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kiidcarter8

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Re: Knicks
« Reply #735 on: Today at 11:24:07 AM »

I dont fault the Knicks on Melo.  Walking away would have taken real balls.  Took too long to deal him - you could quibble.

Melo doesnt know how to lead in a losing atmosphere? (or at all, depending on who you ask)

Of course never thought we'd have to find this out.

News flash - this isnt uncommon.
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kiidcarter8

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« Reply #736 on: Today at 11:26:43 AM »

Do you think Jimmy Butler gives up 50 mil so he can play in NY with Kyrie (rather than staying in Clipperland with Kawhi)?

Strike now or no Butler, smart money says.

(not saying we should/shouldnt do it - leaving that to the execs)
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« Reply #737 on: Today at 11:57:35 AM »

"And again if they (BUT and KI) didnt come, we'd still be in a great spot."

Here is the rub......

Knicks will chase Durant.

All the while KI (if he hasnt already reupped with BOS) and Jimmy (if he isnt already in Clipperland with a new 5 year 191) are what - just waiting for us?

Likely not.

Decision on Butler is now, no matter how you slice it.



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« Reply #738 on: Today at 12:30:47 PM »

Re:  "still in a great spot"

I do sort of agree.  There are just levels

I see THJ having a pretty big year - and forming a nice returning dependable troika with KP and KK (center and PGs be damned!)

Other free agents, beyond the 3 mentioned (and Kanter)?  I guess that is the next thing to discuss.
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« Reply #739 on: Today at 02:00:10 PM »

But.............sorry, cant let this go...

You are TURNING DOWN

(Free agent PG, Kyrie or other)
Hardaway
Butler
Knox
Porzingis

Really?





No.....

really?
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« Reply #740 on: Today at 02:32:55 PM »

Really. 

There is NO...Zero...NO Guarantee that Irving is coming.  With or without Butler. 

Butler just hung his team out to dry. 

And that should motivate us to move heaven and Earth in to make him THE MAN on the Knicks, and that makes us a lock to get Kyrie? 

Evidence? 

Once again...

Thibs wants to win now...that is his mandate. 

That is his life/death sentence. 

His owner is beginning to get freaked.  Thibs does not have a great bedside manner. 

And the trade they made for Butler has blown up in their face. 

They basically gifted the Bulls three young starters for an uber-talented two way player, who, alas, has marked himself as a self-absorbed malcontent. 

PG: Kris Dunn
SG: Zach LaVine
PF: Lauri Markkanen

And the money they saved on Butler, they were able to spend on Jabari Parker, their new starting SF. 

And they just drafted Wendell Carter as their center of the future. 

That's five #1 picks, basically.  Three of which came the Bulls way for Butler. 

The Bulls have committed to moving on from their bell cow in favor of youth, and they are looking pretty damn good going into 2018-2019.  They have a youthful core, and a potential superstar in Markkanen.  And while Parker cannot be mentioned in the same breath as Butler, defensive-wise, he has the potential to be an offensive force.  Also, come next spring, Jabari will be 24.  Butler will be 30. 

So, we should put together an analogous package to give Mr. Butler a max deal, make him the bell cow, and leverage him to impact our chemistry, potentially blowing off our coach and dictating the future direction of this franchise. 

Really?

NO.

There is no guarantee that Butler's presence would presuppose Irving leaving the Celtics.

Nor is there any hard and fast evidence, that the lack of Butler's presence would presuppose losing Irving if he really wants to come to NYC. 

Butler is a mirage. 

Been down this road before, and what you and I think is essentially moot, because the Knicks AIN'T DOING IT. 

We have Knox and Hezonja (and Thomas) at SF-PF, we have Hardaway and Nitilkina (and for the moment, Lee and Dotson) at SG-SF. 

And like it or not, Porzingis is our bell cow.  I know you agree with Phil Jackson that we should trade him. 

Mazel Tov. 

The Knicks appear fine with their rebuild as presently constituted moving forward, the allure of this shining object and the drumbeat of fans and media notwithstanding.  I am sure they have done their due diligence, and I am just as sure Thibs has blown them off, or asked for the moon. 

While I do not necessarily share Biz's projections of us as a 20-win team, I do believe, a #1 in the summer of 2019, and room for one max contract looks fine, going forward. 

And Jimmy has said he wants to be traded before media day? 

Yup, just the kind of presence we want to define OUR FRANCHISE. 

"To dream, the impossible dream..." 
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