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[KBY]

Well Bo, it's around 3 degrees celsius here now so that would be

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around 38




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[rembee]

just another one of those nights where he got his numbers, and we lost.. business as usual.... not saying he is the reason we lost, but I can't think of anything impactful he did tonight....

Pretty typical knick fan.  Make your shots and your free-throws, rebound the ball, play well within the offense, chase an all-time great around on the defensive end, and for the life of him, he can't think of anything impactful you did.

[Kam]

just another one of those nights where he got his numbers, and we lost.. business as usual.... not saying he is the reason we lost, but I can't think of anything impactful he did tonight....

Pretty typical knick fan.  Make your shots and your free-throws, rebound the ball, play well within the offense, chase an all-time great around on the defensive end, and for the life of him, he can't think of anything impactful you did.

Five straight losing seasons.  How impactful is he?

[nagel100]

TV

for you

* This season, Bryant has made seven of the 12 shots, with a chance to win or tie the game, in the last ten seconds of regulation or overtime. * Bryant's the only player in the last decade who has made seven such shots in a season. *

i go gently with this

[bodiddley]

Douglas: was the reason we came back.. His defensive intensity really set the tone when he came in the second half.. went 0-3, had 2/3/2 dimes.. but his impact was noticeable. had 1 steal, but looked like he was all over the place.. really got into Hill and stopped the penetration.. has to learn how to run an offense, and that comes with time hopefully, but I loved the way he set the tone defensively.

It was nice to see MSG name Toney D the Knick player of the game.

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[nagel100]

is Chris bosh  worth 5 or 6 more million per than lee.  17 vs 11-12

both are power forwards.  they are not  are legit fives.

thoughts?

for the argument let's assume Lebron doesn't care which one we get.

lee plus Camby for 17 or Chris Bosh for 17?

you know who i want.

[Pharoah]

just another one of those nights where he got his numbers, and we lost.. business as usual.... not saying he is the reason we lost, but I can't think of anything impactful he did tonight....

Pretty typical knick fan.  Make your shots and your free-throws, rebound the ball, play well within the offense, chase an all-time great around on the defensive end, and for the life of him, he can't think of anything impactful you did.

Lee. well he gets his numbers, I just don't see the other impact he has other than offensive and on the boards, but he was guarding duncan and had his hands full.. Lee did a good job..

[rembee]

Five straight losing seasons.  How impactful is he?

Just about as impactful as any borderline all-star.  Chris Bosh on this team doesn’t make it a winner.  And you may have noticed that Lee’s game has improved a bit from five years ago.

Yeah, ok, Lee isn’t a franchise player.  Who here has said he was?  But I continue to be fascinated by the phenomena amongst the fans of this team that has cast David Lee as the Rodney Dangerfield of the Knicks.

I wonder if in some sense familiarity has bred contempt.  Every time Lee “gets his numbers” and we still lose we think somehow we would be just as good without him.  We forget, perhaps, that we might be losing because we don’t have a starting point-guard or a starting two guard, and Lee is the only starting quality big on a team whose overall talent level is the worst in the league.  Below the Nets.

Lee would be well served if he had more off nights.  Then next time he has a 20 pt game shooting 55% from the field along with 12 rebs and 4 assists, someone might take notice.  Maybe if he missed more shots, we might think he is doing something to help us win.  

[rembee]

I just don't see the other impact he has other than offensive and on the boards

I'm reposting to give you a chance to review the above statement.

[Kam]

Lee gets his numbers playing out of position where his speed and jumpshot give him an advantage over traditional centers.  As a PF Lee will not have those advantages.  Try to project him as a 4.

Familiarity doesn't brreed contempt.  As with Nagel, it creates a bias.  Typical Knick fans always rate their guys too high.

[kidcarter8]

Let's just say:

- the usage and handlin of Darko was very strange

- the inclusion of Hill in any deal was equally strange

[kidcarter8]

So mostly just guess the best FT shooters who also hit 3's well, and there's most of your list.

Well then Allan Houston, Reggie Miller and Ray Allen have got to be on the list. All three had/have a very high ft% and as you know can bury a 3pointer.

Just give the list already  

Sorry I disappeared - have a mystery illness keeps running me down

Yeah - it's Steve Nash #1.  Reggie and Ray Allen on the list - 7 guards and YES - 7 white guys.

[bodiddley]

Kam, I was also thinking how playing out-of-position cuts both ways. 
Lee gets to shoot open jumpers against reluctant to come out Bigs and can also out-quick some lugs to the basket.

But Lee has been very consistent doing his thing for years through all sorts of turmoil, teammates, coaches.  And you have to love how he improved his FT shooting first, then his jumpers.  He's not much of a defender, but neither is Boozer, Zach, Dirk -- other PF's who put up comparable numbers.

Be nice to see Lee paired up with a Camby/Ty Chandler type C.
Borderline all-star is exactly where Lee is, and what he'll get paid to be.
And note that last night, Lee basically equaled Duncan's statline.
Chandler, Adult Al and Gallo have to do some boxing out and boarding.
Lee isn't our problem ... unless he leaves.

[kidcarter8]

Nash, Kerr, Miller, Price, Hornacek, Mullin, Stojakovic, Bird, Allen, Barros

[rembee]

Lee gets his numbers playing out of position where his speed and jumpshot give him an advantage over traditional centers.  As a PF Lee will not have those advantages.  

Makes sense.  I can't think of any PFs who have had success using speed and a jumpshot.

It’s actually totally inaccurate to say Knick fans overrate their players.  In fact, we selectively overrate some and underrate others.  More precisely, we tend to underrate our better players, and overrate the guys we see too little of.

Case and point…we now have to endure Chip posting Darko’s stats every time he has a 6 pt game, because we think somehow that would have been “impactful” on the Knicks.  Kiid agrees, while arguing (as he has) that Lee is holding the team back.

I can’t really explain this.  Just trying my best.