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[kidcarter8]

I think the Curry decision has long been made

It isn’t clear to me from your post what you think that “decision” is, but if you think it involves Curry playing another minute in a Knick uniform you are delusional.

It's just bluster?

Did the Amare and Tauriaf additions change all of that?  Or were Knicks lying to begin with?

[godot]

"WE SHALL SEE."

The only thing I want to "SEE" is his big ass walking out of Madison Square Garden, for the last time!!

See you at Dunkin' Donuts!

[bodiddley]

A source with direct knowledge of the situation told Newsday, Curry received 50 percent of his $11.2M salary for the 2010-11 season on July 1. So the fact that he hasn't paid legal fees of the $100,000 remaining in a nine-year-old civil suit is curious. He'll get the remaining 50 percent in the usual  bi-weekly form that players are paid, from Nov. 15 to May 1.

Along with the money owed on the civil suit and to his lawyer and his house going into foreclosure, Curry also reportedly defaulted on a $570,000 personal loan he took out on Feb. 2008 through a Nevada-based lender (which grew to $1.2M with a ridiculous 85 percent interest rate) and owes $350,000 to fellow NBAer Juwan Howard from another personal loan.

Now Hahn gets facts wrong frequently -- even the $100K is apparently the last installment of the settlement, not lawyer fees -- but at that time Eddy would have had well over $20M in guaranteed money coming his way.  How absurd to take out a loan with extortionate interest, when actual interest rates were at historic lows.  Nevada makes it sound like gambling, but still you simply pay off that mob loan with a bank loan right away.  He would be getting paid over $500K every two weeks during the season anyway.  Who was his financial advisor, Antoine Walker?

Eddy is a catastrophe.
Hope he has 911 on speed dial.

[nagel100]

knicks would want the lump sum back.  trade him now and it's 11 million.

You don't think the Knicks would gladly pay $5.5 million to be rid of Curry and get back a usable player in return?

We've eaten a lot more that that for a lot less (see Knick history of contract buyouts over the last five years, starting with Shandon Anderson.)

no.   it's  about using the 11 plus some talent for deadline deal.

[Aintitashaman]

I think the Curry decision has long been made

It isn’t clear to me from your post what you think that “decision” is, but if you think it involves Curry playing another minute in a Knick uniform you are delusional.

You may be right. 

However, it is in everyone's interests to get this motherfucker out on the court, in a Knick uniform to be sure, and proving that he can be a productive player. 

I sincerely doubt that there was any compulsion in giving Eddy some of his money out front.  As in to say, "Hey, we're all for you, kid." 

Of course, now is the time for Eddy to belly up to the bar (pun intended)and show that he has what it takes to be an NBA player. 

I do not see the Knicks pursuing a buy-out. 

I do not see the Knicks having any incentive to simply park his ass on the IR in street clothes.  We do not need another Stephon situation. 

Years ago the Knicks re-built Mark Jackson's shattered rep, made the playoffs, and ended up with a trad-able asset. 

No one is touting Eddy as a contributor or writing him off as a slug. 

Eddy is an A-S-S-E-T. 

Look at how Donnie built up and deployed David Lee, admittedly light years more of an adult and a player, knowing going in, that the team did not want to give him the kind of money he wanted going forward.  They gave him 8 million last year, when they didn't have to do shit for him.  We didn't lose him for nothing, we made him happy, we parted with some respect, and we converted him into 3 useful players/contracts and some draft picks. 

Don't kiid yourself, the Knicks may be moving on, but why write the motherfucker off...God knows we paid the price for Eddy in terms of lottery picks, salary, lost seasons and losing. 

One way or another, the Knicks are going to make a concerted effort to get some value out of Eddy, and, well, if he cannot stay healthy or make a contribution and behaves like a douche bag, then the DEFCON option is likely to pay him stay away.  Like with Stephon. 

However, you can bet your bottom dollar, the Knicks are going to try and make lemonade out of this bottomless pit of piss.

And you can believe that Donnie has already leaned on Eddy and MikeyD to make something positive out of this, or as D'Antoni put it, if he shows up ready to play, he will get minutes.  I do not think anyone wants a repeat of Stephon or Latrell. 

DELUSIONAL? 

Dig this.  The Timberwolves just gave Darko Milicic five million a year guaranteed for the next 4 years. 

How rational is that?  Darko played competently for the Wolves, and they offloaded Al Jefferson, and kept Darko to shadow Kevin Love. 

There is a market for Centers, be they animal, vegetable or mineral.  Eddy doesn't have to show a whole lot for someone to take a flyer on him.  Ten-Fifteen minutes a night of something vaguely professional, offering his coach some options, and all of a sudden, we have real options in the spring and summer of 2011.   

That is what is being played out, and every time someone pops up saying, Eddy, you OWE ME MONEY (gee, just like in THE HUSTLER), the poor sclubb has a really human incentive to rise and walk erect. 

In any event, stay tuned. 

[Aintitashaman]

knicks would want the lump sum back.  trade him now and it's 11 million.

You don't think the Knicks would gladly pay $5.5 million to be rid of Curry and get back a usable player in return?

We've eaten a lot more that that for a lot less (see Knick history of contract buyouts over the last five years, starting with Shandon Anderson.)

no.   it's  about using the 11 plus some talent for deadline deal.

Wrong. 

There is nothing written in stone that says we have to move him at the deadline. 

His expiring contract may have more value just being written off the books for cap space in the summer, or (If there is no lockout), being flipped in some sort of sign and trade. 

The notion of a DEADLINE DEAL is, on the face of it, and we all want him gone, a ludicrous notion, and not one  I see Donnie pursuing...the cap space is far too valuable, the flexibility far too useful to simply take back contracts. 

Not unless someone is prepared to simply knock our socks off. 

But if the end game is Chris Paul or Carmelo or something down the line that can put us over the top, and kick start us from a playoff pretender, to a playoff contender, then Eddy, his contract, his physical sarcapogus and his immortal soul will be dealt with very discreetly by the Knicks. 

Again, there is no incentive to simply dump him or buy him out. 

Obviously the presence of Turiaf, Randolph, Moscov and Jordan speaks to the belief that Eddy is in the rear-view mirror. 

But he is not going to be traded just for the sake of trading him, and if we can establish some--any--tangible "gee, maybe a change of venues would revitalize his game" (assuming he shows that he has any game left in him), then Donnie will squeeze every last drop of value out of him. 

But a February 18, 2011 Nagel Trade?   I am not seeing it.  But who knows, it's a long season, and God forbid a Rasheed Wallace type deal (see Detroit) comes due (which we could've pulled off, but Layden simply let Travis Knight walk, to give Slavko Vranes guaranteed money) and we couldn't deploy his expiring contract). 

Again, I am not making a case for Eddy...even God would be challenged at this point, but Eddy has spoken like he feels as though he has put in the work and wants a real shot. 

The Knicks look committed to giving him one.  If only to get your last ugly daughter, married and out of the house and reasonably happy. 

[Aintitashaman]

http://www.stat.co.rs/partizan/ser/sum_player.php

http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=SRB&PlayerID=27607

[trains1]

The toughest part is that Eddy is a high turnover mistake player and I believe that CHIPSTERN is right, for the Knicks most likely the best outcome is to simply let Eddy come off the books......but being a high turnover player is a quick way to get into D'ANTONI'S DOGHOUSE.

Is there any reason to believe that CURRY won't be a similar black hole selfish point hound not unlike HARRINGTON was last year? At least Harrington hoisted his shot before committing an offensive foul or getting stripped and made his 3s in high volumes. Plus Harrington was a hard worker if ineffective defender and poor rebounder.

Curry represents the last worse part of the Isiah years. Besides Chandler and Herb Williams, the losing Knicks of the past has been nearly reborn into a different team with different players. Curry needs to show up and be very team and be very effective. He's a nice guy if not a bit of stunted lug, but I sense this heading into Marbury Tinsely territory.

[Aintitashaman]

The toughest part is that Eddy is a high turnover mistake player and I believe that CHIPSTERN is right, for the Knicks most likely the best outcome is to simply let Eddy come off the books......but being a high turnover player is a quick way to get into D'ANTONI'S DOGHOUSE.

Is there any reason to believe that CURRY won't be a similar black hole selfish point hound not unlike HARRINGTON was last year? At least Harrington hoisted his shot before committing an offensive foul or getting stripped and made his 3s in high volumes. Plus Harrington was a hard worker if ineffective defender and poor rebounder.

Curry represents the last worse part of the Isiah years. Besides Chandler and Herb Williams, the losing Knicks of the past has been nearly reborn into a different team with different players. Curry needs to show up and be very team and be very effective. He's a nice guy if not a bit of a stunted lug, but I sense this heading into Marbury Tinsely territory.

Could be, but I sense this is precisely what the Knicks want to avoid.  It is a distraction. 

I am counting on Amar'e and Turiaf displaying some leadership here, and bringing him into the fold.  Stoudemire in particular, not only relishes the challenge of playing in NY, but seems focused on being the big dawg in other ways, as in this is OUR team, and it is a new beginning, so everyone needs to start on the same page.  And both Amar'e and especially Turiaf are going to be battling Eddy in practice, but I don't see RT visualizing himself playing 35-40 minutes a night at center, and he is a positive locker room kind of guy.  Two veterans, but still young enough to relate. 

Anyway, a lot of new faces, so a fresh shuffle of the deck. 

PS: I read on HoopsHype that in fact, the Knicks had not tendered an offer to Shannon Brown, but were monitoring his situation with the Lakers, who are trying to unload Sasha to stay under the luxury tax ceiling. 

PPS: I also suspect Portland is being unrealistic about what they can get back for Rudy.  A 2014 #1 is better than a sharp stick in the foot.  But I suspect we will be outbid here. 

[KBY]

Fuck Rudy


Chandler, Azubuike, Walker, Fields, Rautins

Free Agent signing Brown if for 1 yr with a 2nd yr option, likely means the end for Rautins


We need to see what we've got and keep flexibility for a clear upgrade, which Rudy isn't.

[jpdtez]

James, Bosh, Wade Decide Nickname Will Be 'The Three-Headed Shitstorm'

July 28, 2010 | ISSUE 46•30


MIAMI—After weeks of debate over their collective nickname, Lebron James, Chris Bosh, and Dwyane Wade announced yesterday that the newly formed all-star trio would call themselves the Three-Headed Shitstorm. "It was between the Three-Headed Shitstorm, Miami's Mighty Three-Way, Category 3 Hurricane Fuckface, and Super NBA Friends, which was LeBron's idea that nobody liked," Wade said during an interview with ESPN, adding that the group's first choice, the King Cobra Super Shit Snakes of South Beach, was overruled by Heat president Pat Riley. "We eventually settled on the Three-Headed Shitstorm because there are three of us, and when opponents play against us it's like all this shit is going to be coming at them from every direction. It also has something to do with three-headed dragons." At press time, James was still trying to get the nickname changed to either the Justice Basketball League of America or Three Cool Guys

[kidcarter8]

The toughest part is that Eddy is a high turnover mistake player and I believe that CHIPSTERN is right, for the Knicks most likely the best outcome is to simply let Eddy come off the books......but being a high turnover player is a quick way to get into D'ANTONI'S DOGHOUSE.

Is there any reason to believe that CURRY won't be a similar black hole selfish point hound not unlike HARRINGTON was last year? At least Harrington hoisted his shot before committing an offensive foul or getting stripped and made his 3s in high volumes. Plus Harrington was a hard worker if ineffective defender and poor rebounder.

Curry represents the last worse part of the Isiah years. Besides Chandler and Herb Williams, the losing Knicks of the past has been nearly reborn into a different team with different players. Curry needs to show up and be very team and be very effective. He's a nice guy if not a bit of stunted lug, but I sense this heading into Marbury Tinsely territory.

Al Harrrington was not a selfish Knickerbocker.  Too often a player who can fill it gets that tag.  Al played hard - yes, he took his shots - his scoring opps quite seriously - but the tag "selfish" says he didnt care to win, just "get his" - and that he'd pass up open teammates to shoot.

[kidcarter8]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=5421873

Brown should take the NY offer because the Knicks have an opening at the 2 and if he is good enough he can earn real money by showcasing his skills.

The Garden will love his high flying antics.

The Lakers are not that interested in paying the luxury tax so they may lose a nice piece of their puzzle.

Brown, Azu  and Walker give us 3 pretty good athletes.

Wilson (and Curry's deal)  are going to be offered to teams at the deadline if those 3 work out.

I like Shannon Brown

The reason he might not take the deal is that there are SO MANY playing time variables with the current Knicks.

Yous see opportunity, I see GLUT.

[Aintitashaman]

The toughest part is that Eddy is a high turnover mistake player and I believe that CHIPSTERN is right, for the Knicks most likely the best outcome is to simply let Eddy come off the books......but being a high turnover player is a quick way to get into D'ANTONI'S DOGHOUSE.

Is there any reason to believe that CURRY won't be a similar black hole selfish point hound not unlike HARRINGTON was last year? At least Harrington hoisted his shot before committing an offensive foul or getting stripped and made his 3s in high volumes. Plus Harrington was a hard worker if ineffective defender and poor rebounder.

Curry represents the last worse part of the Isiah years. Besides Chandler and Herb Williams, the losing Knicks of the past has been nearly reborn into a different team with different players. Curry needs to show up and be very team and be very effective. He's a nice guy if not a bit of stunted lug, but I sense this heading into Marbury Tinsely territory.

Al Harrrington was not a selfish Knickerbocker.  Too often a player who can fill it gets that tag.  Al played hard - yes, he took his shots - his scoring opps quite seriously - but the tag "selfish" says he didnt care to win, just "get his" - and that he'd pass up open teammates to shoot.

You were doing fine until you got to the end. 

I liked Al, too, but when he was determined to shoot, forget it, you could be a painter's ladder, three feet above the hoop, and he was launching. 

[rembee]

Al played hard - yes, he took his shots - his scoring opps quite seriously - but the tag "selfish" says he didnt care to win, just "get his" - and that he'd pass up open teammates to shoot.

Chip has it right.  Isn't like he was only interested in getting his, he just didn't give it to anyone else.

Too often the Knicks would be playing coach D ball only to see the game devolve into the Al show. We won a few games, sure, but never developed into a team that could do itconsistently.  Not all on Al but he played his part.

Have to wonder, if Al was willing/able/smart enough (whatever it is) to "fill it" AND play as part of a team why he hasn't found a team he can play with.