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« Reply #375 on: June 26, 2010, 04:46:46 PM » |
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So the knockout round of 16 breaks down as:
6 Euro; all 5 South American, 2 North American, 2 Asian and 1 African.
7 Euro and 5 African teams failed to go on (along with Honduras, North Korea, Aus and NZ).
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If you lump Mexico in with the South American teams, 6 SA and 6 Euro teams out of 16. And yet, I just noticed that oddly not one of the 8 matchups in this round have a Euro v. SA team.
3 Euro only contests, 2 So. Amer only matches, and 2 SA's play Asian teams.
Strange.
So the Final 8 is guaranteed to have 3 (and only 3) Euroteams, 3 or 4 South Americans and Ghana (plus maybe Japan)
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« Reply #376 on: June 27, 2010, 08:29:30 AM » |
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For the most part, NBA chatter goes on in the Knick forum, but most people will jump to the NBA thread if they see it is active. I posted some Finals stuff in the Knick Forum as its the de facto home of NBA talk "here", but I've found that that Forum has been more dedicated to "GM type" discussions about Knick multi-player trades, reorganizations, Isiah love/hate Donnie love/hate, and for the past year or so, prayers for Lebron and Bosh than they are about game threads type posts. And that's fair, it is after-all a Knick forum, and should not be confused with a forunm about pro basketball. HEH |
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"Yankees don't have an Achilles heel. No play-off teams have Achilles heels" Captaincargo response to the idea that Y starters in '04 was very suspect
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« Reply #377 on: June 27, 2010, 08:52:56 AM » |
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How dare you insinuate it's not pro basketball, what with the salaries we're paying.
Next season, chat about NBA games here.
As I said most Knick posters will see it.
I often comment on games and players from around the league, some others have 2nd and 3rd favorite teams, and a number also follow college hoops, while others are just Knick fans.
Last year wasn't exactly the most exciting in the East. Until the playoffs.
Too many teams struggled during the season, including half of the playoff teams. Bucks were a fun surprise.
The West was where the action was.
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« Reply #378 on: June 27, 2010, 09:26:52 AM » |
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How dare you insinuate it's not pro basketball, what with the salaries we're paying . Fair point Bo, apology offered. In some respect I kind of hope the Lebon ends up with Knicks (I got it as a toss-up Heat-Bulls, stays with the Cavs, Spanish League, or he goes to Israel and and plays for Haifa-sort of a NYC experience), because Knicks fans getting what they want in LBJ, but falling short of what they really want, might be fun reading in that forum for years to come. fwiw I hope he stays in Cleveland, but I doubt it |
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« Reply #380 on: July 22, 2010, 05:09:23 AM » |
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Basketball Hall of Famer Magic Johnson said he never would have joined with Larry Bird to win a championship the way LeBron James is teaming with Dwyane Wade.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Magic-Johnson-is-also-not-impressed-with-LeBron-?urn=nba-257330
Yet, he was lucky enough to be teamed with Kareem, and the Lakers trade for an all-important first round pick in James Worthy, not to mention a few other high profile players during their "Showtime" era. I don't know how the LBJ, Wade and Bosh trio will work out in Miami, but it really isn't much different than Boston pulling together Allen, Garnett and Pierce for their magic run in 2008.
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« Reply #381 on: July 22, 2010, 10:24:32 AM » |
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Basketball Hall of Famer Magic Johnson said he never would have joined with Larry Bird to win a championship the way LeBron James is teaming with Dwyane Wade.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Magic-Johnson-is-also-not-impressed-with-LeBron-?urn=nba-257330
Yet, he was lucky enough to be teamed with Kareem, and the Lakers trade for an all-important first round pick in James Worthy, not to mention a few other high profile players during their "Showtime" era. I don't know how the LBJ, Wade and Bosh trio will work out in Miami, but it really isn't much different than Boston pulling together Allen, Garnett and Pierce for their magic run in 2008.
Seems the general feeling is that Superstars past their primes hooking up for glory is acceptable (Boston's recent big3; the Houston Rockets failed experiment with Drexler, Pippen, Barkley, Hakeem; GP and Karl Malone's failed attempt at riding ShaqKobe Coattails). Superstars who are in their primes hooking up for glory is looked at as gauche. Socially unacceptable. |
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« Reply #382 on: July 23, 2010, 03:56:49 AM » |
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So, LeBron should have wasted away a few more years in Cleveland I guess before making the move.
If he had gone to New York, and say the Knicks managed to get Amare or Wade or both to join him, would that have made a difference?
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« Reply #383 on: July 23, 2010, 04:43:55 AM » |
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Basketball Hall of Famer Magic Johnson said he never would have joined with Larry Bird to win a championship the way LeBron James is teaming with Dwyane Wade.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Magic-Johnson-is-also-not-impressed-with-LeBron-?urn=nba-257330
Yet, he was lucky enough to be teamed with Kareem, and the Lakers trade for an all-important first round pick in James Worthy, not to mention a few other high profile players during their "Showtime" era. I don't know how the LBJ, Wade and Bosh trio will work out in Miami, but it really isn't much different than Boston pulling together Allen, Garnett and Pierce for their magic run in 2008.
li'l different |
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« Reply #384 on: July 23, 2010, 05:16:16 AM » |
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Lil: a Mike Downey L.A. Times article from 1991: Magic Johnson would have returned to Michigan State rather than play for the Chicago Bulls.
"I'd have stayed in school," he said here Tuesday, standing alone outside Gate 3 1/2 of Chicago Stadium, the house that could have been his. "A coin toss changed the course of my whole life." Chicago called heads in a 1979 coin flip with Los Angeles for the No. 1 pick in the NBA college draft. It came up tails.
Johnson signed with the Lakers after his sophomore year of college and proceeded to win five championships. The Bulls picked second, took UCLA's David Greenwood and have won no championships.
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« Reply #385 on: July 23, 2010, 12:14:05 PM » |
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So, LeBron should have wasted away a few more years in Cleveland I guess before making the move.
No. And its not what i said. It's fine to find your Pippen. It's socially awkward to become one.
If he had gone to New York, and say the Knicks managed to get Amare or Wade or both to join him, would that have made a difference?
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« Reply #386 on: July 23, 2010, 12:34:20 PM » |
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Superstars who are in their primes hooking up for glory is looked at as gauche. Socially unacceptable.
It’s the way LBJ did it that was gauche. 90% of the ESPN special should have been James apologizing and explaining his decision to Cleveland. 0% of it was, the whole thing amounting to ending a 7 year relationship via email. It was an asshole move. He's free to join his buddies and form a dominant team. He’s free to be Wade’s caddy. He can do what he wants. I think the point Jordan and Magic made were less criticisms of that decision (like the "Riley’s evil empire" critiques we are hearing about Miami, similar to the Yankees) and more like "Hey, we never would have thought of doing that, because we wanted to be the best ever." James will now never be considered one of the best ever. No matter how many championships he wins with Miami. Which is fine, if that’s what he wants. If he didn't realize how this would hurt his legacy, that doesn't make him "socially unacceptable" that just makes him stupid. |
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« Reply #387 on: July 23, 2010, 12:42:22 PM » |
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James will now never be considered one of the best ever. No matter how many championships he wins with Miami. Which is fine, if that’s what he wants. If he didn't realize how this would hurt his legacy, that doesn't make him "socially unacceptable" that just makes him stupid.
Disagree. If LBJ racks up a few more MVP's, has ridiculous numbers, and wins 4 or more titles, then he's in the conversation no mater who he plays with. Any historic feats, such as averaging a triple-double, winning 4 straight titles (only done by the 60's Celts), some crazy number of MVP's would also propel LBJ into legendaryhoodedness. |
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« Reply #388 on: July 23, 2010, 12:48:14 PM » |
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I wasn't being critical of what you said, kam, just posing a couple of questions. I think what hurt LeBron was making such a song and dance out of his free agency. It even played into the NBA finals. If he had just assessed his options normally and chose Miami I don't think anyone would have held the decision against him. Now, he has gone from being one of the best-loved players in the NBA to one of the most hated. I suppose a championship ring will rectify that, but it will look like Miami bought themselves a championship at Cleveland's expense. Kind of like when LA lured Kareem away from Milwaukee. I remember all the Kareem jokes, like this one, until he and the Lakers finally won a championship. |
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« Reply #389 on: July 23, 2010, 12:52:05 PM » |
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Bo, what all-time great wasn't the man on his own team?
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