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[kam]

Well... at least the next three are in ohio.

Don't like that format.  Punishes the higher seed.  Now the Spurs gotta lose a few just to clinch at home in 6.

[nagel100]

not exactly sure how this forum works yet.  Kam. who did we lose from the times forum and is there another spot our guys landed?

anyway first rule is not to trade for anyone who is CLEARLY!!! not an upgrade.


Rashard is my number one pick with a Crawford/ Nate/Frye/Rose  package a possibility for Lewis and Watson.

This will take some time to get into after being gone for so long.

[kam]

Who will go to the championship this season?

The Spurs?

[kam]

I'm sorry... you're not a dynasty when you've never even defended your crown (99,03,05,07) and when a legit dynasty (00,01,02) actually took place within your supposed dynasty.

now if they win it all again next year, i will concede that 3 out of 4 (05,07,08) is a semi-dynasty.  you've got to be at least in the finals consecutive years and the Spurs didn't do a thing last year to show that they are a dynasty.  Derek Fisher notwithstanding.

[fersanti]

Thought I'd stop by to see just to be the token San Antonio Spurs fan around, just as it was in the NYT.
Anyway, very happy to have another championship, and, of course, at the great clutch play from my guys from Argentina. Manu had about 13 pts in the 4Q and Oberto I think about 4 and several gutsy plays down the stretch.

1. MVP for TP is totally horse manure. He is a good player, and will be even better but has still to show up for crunch time. However bad his offense was in games 3&4, Duncan is San Antonio's MVP for his superlative D.
2. My friend GHG will not like it, but he should give credit to LeBruce Bowen for containing LBJ.
3. Dynasty? Well, maybe not yet. But maybe next year we'll repeat. We know we are seen as boring by most, but the Spurs team play is just superb. And next year the big three will be back.

[liquidsilver]

Count me as one Celtic fan that fully expects if they trade for Garnett to bite them in the ass. 

[whiskeypriest]

Count me as one Celtic fan that fully expects if they trade for Garnett to bite them in the ass. 

Why would Garnett want to go from Minnesota to Boston?  If he forces a trade from Minnesota, he's going to want to go to a situation where he can actually win, not another endless, frustrating rebuilding job.

What would Boston give for him anyway?  Minnie's going to want a butts in seats player back, and there aren't that many of them out there.  Maybe if they hadn't gotten screwed by David Stern.

[kam]

Minnesota can get an extremely attractive offer from the Celts.

For Salary purposes, Wally Szerbiak 12mil 2yrs left and Theo Ratliff (expiring deal).
Remember that WallyZ is LOVED in minnesota.

Any 2 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

#5 pick
Ryan Gomes .7mil
Al Jefferson 2.5mil
Gerald Green 1.5mil

Any 1 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

Sebastial Telfair (2.5)
Delonte West (1.9)
Rajon Rondo (1.4)

SO...

Celts would have KG and PP and still have 2 young PGs and 2 young Forwards.  Scalabrine/olawakandi at Center.  Theres your 8 man roto.

[whiskeypriest]

Minnesota can get an extremely attractive offer from the Celts.

For Salary purposes, Wally Szerbiak 12mil 2yrs left and Theo Ratliff (expiring deal).
Remember that WallyZ is LOVED in minnesota.

Any 2 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

#5 pick
Ryan Gomes .7mil
Al Jefferson 2.5mil
Gerald Green 1.5mil

Any 1 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

Sebastial Telfair (2.5)
Delonte West (1.9)
Rajon Rondo (1.4)

SO...

Celts would have KG and PP and still have 2 young PGs and 2 young Forwards.  Scalabrine/olawakandi at Center.  Theres your 8 man roto.

And they would win 30 games.  Maybe.  And not one of those players is going to put a single butt in a single seat.

[bodiddley]

The East is weak.
Put KG in a lineup and they are in the playoffs with a shot at home court.

Also, Boston fans would turn out to see KG every night.

It's be the biggest thing for the Celtics since Dino Radja, or AntWalker's return, or Pierce got stabbed.

[whiskeypriest]

The East is weak.
Put KG in a lineup and they are in the playoffs with a shot at home court.

Also, Boston fans would turn out to see KG every night.

It's be the biggest thing for the Celtics since Dino Radja, or AntWalker's return, or Pierce got stabbed.

Yeah, but the West is strong; if you transport Boston's players out there, Minnesota will be totally in the shitter, and they are the one trading the superstar.

Also, I assume the reason for any KG trade is that he wants out and wants to win a championship.  Why would he support a trade to Boston?  (And superstars like KG don't get traded to places they don't want to go)  Because of the sheer joy in being able to struggle to make the playoffs in a different city?

[kam]

Whiskey... When you're dealing away your franchise player for the last decade in KG, you don't necessarily need to acquire a SuperStar right away.  You look for three things:  Get younger players (must have talent of course) get draft picks (#5 pick) and get expiring or nearly expiring contracts.  In a year when the Ratliff and WallyZ deals finish up they can sign a guy to further add to the butts in the seats. 

[whiskeypriest]

Whiskey... When you're dealing away your franchise player for the last decade in KG, you don't necessarily need to acquire a SuperStar right away.  You look for three things:  Get younger players (must have talent of course) get draft picks (#5 pick) and get expiring or nearly expiring contracts.  In a year when the Ratliff and WallyZ deals finish up they can sign a guy to further add to the butts in the seats. 

Yeah, well, KG's not going to Boston; the second part of my post is apparently right on the money, at least:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtxA3Hlhs0Rd_v8eMVAHiDo5nYcB?slug=txtimberwolvesgarnett&prov=st&type=lgns

[bodiddley]

Well, I don't like the trade in either direction.  Too much risk on both ends.  If Al plateaus or regresses, and the #5 doesn't pan out, then Minny is left with nada for K-f'in-G.
Boston would have to scramble to put a decent team around two stars before they got old.  And don't have a reliable Point.

But, this is what I was responding to:

And they [Boston] would win 30 games.  Maybe.  And not one of those [Celtic] players is going to put a single butt in a single seat.

That I disagree with.
Not surprisingly KG has other ideas.
Including warm weather.
Kg has been well-paid for his loyalty, but needs to get away from McHale.
(some rumors say that McHale might trade KG and then leave, so the new POBO will be in the clear).

[kam]

Suns get Kevin Garnett,
Celtics get Shawn Marion,
Timberwolves get the No. 5 pick,
the Hawks' 2008 unprotected first-round pick, which the Suns hold,
the Suns' two firsts this year (No. 24 and 29)
and the expiring contracts of Kurt Thomas and Theo Ratliff.