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[jmmengel]

I was there.
It was the most intense and,by far, the greatest college basketball game I have ever witnessed.
What ever you want to say about the officiating it came down to Butler having the ball with 13 seconds and a chance to win.
And then, again, after Coach K made a poor call in missing a foul shot Butler had a chance with 3 seconds.
Check the last play and the screen Matt Howard put on the Duke player to give Hayward the chance.
What a great game.

[jmmengel]

"Hey, they finally let them play, this was a good national championship where the crowd agrees that, if anything the calls went in the favor of Butler..."

Sell it to somebody else.

And to the players out there, luck, but I saw that ballgame and Butler got SCREWED.

But it's OF A FUCKING THEME WHEN YOU PLAY DUKE WHERE K HAS DEMORALIZED THE GAME TO MAKE THE FLOP INSTITUTIONAL....

TOTALLY

FUCKING


PATHETIC.

Get a life.
Duke won the game.
Butler did not lose it.
Nobody got "screwed"!

[jbottle]

You are obviously not a student of the ACC other than when we are dismissing a "hall of famer."

People who know basketball don't respect the game that K. has created, people who don't understand basketball slurp fizz and munch cheeze-based corn syrup products and go:  "At least the winner of the game won!!"

YEAH.

SELL IT TO SOMEBODY WHO GIVES LESSER OF A FUCK.

[jmmengel]

You are obviously not a student of the ACC other than when we are dismissing a "hall of famer."

People who know basketball don't respect the game that K. has created, people who don't understand basketball slurp fizz and munch cheeze-based corn syrup products and go:  "At least the winner of the game won!!"

YEAH.

SELL IT TO SOMEBODY WHO GIVES LESSER OF A FUCK.

Okay

[jbottle]

Submission is after all, the highest form of flattery, with that, I give you a fond ADIEU. 

I win.

[bosox18d]

You Know I do always get a chuckle out of folks who say "I was There" at a live sporting event like that gives them some sort of insight the rest of us mere mortals can't comprehend who just watched it on TV.I think I get more insight at home because I can see the replays and have a good view of the action as it unfolds without the distractions being there live entails.

[Gintaras]

The big advantage to being there is that you can see the whole court, which you can't on television.  Big difference.

[bosox18d]

Not in my live or TV viewing  experience because most of the action is not taking place on the whole court.

[jmmengel]

You Know I do always get a chuckle out of folks who say "I was There" at a live sporting event like that gives them some sort of insight the rest of us mere mortals can't comprehend who just watched it on TV.I think I get more insight at home because I can see the replays and have a good view of the action as it unfolds without the distractions being there live entails.

Say what?

[jmmengel]

Submission is after all, the highest form of flattery, with that, I give you a fond ADIEU. 

I win.

Please send us all a post card and tell us what you won.

[bodiddley]

Quote from: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2010, 09:34:39 AM
Poor FG percentage often = solid opponent's defense. 
Pure genius of Coack K says it is easier to imagine a W while Butler is attempting a half court heave to beat you.
That this almost DID occur doesnt change the wisdom.

Well, my point was that it is easier to imagine an L if you don't go up 3.
And if you miss the FT (I think the Big Dukie was under 60% on FT), it's the same as intentionally missing.
I'd rather be up 3 and have my defense more set for a rushed final 3 second full court play.  But I think the chances of winning were very good no matter which call was made.

To completely make up some numbers:
up by 3, you basically have a 0% chance of losing (a 4 point play on a long heave that goes in and a foul/made FT is negligible).
Up only 2, I'd say that you have maybe a 15% chance of losing.
Let's say that that extra second gives Butler an extra 5% chance of making a long tying basket (perhaps 10 feet closer on still a long rushed shot, but also the chance to defend the inbounds and maybe avoid a shot altogether or force a worse shot). 
I'd certainly take a 20% chance of being tied over a 15% chance of losing.


Duke did pick up their defense late, but Butler got a bit shaky.
In the 2nd half, Butler didn't take it strong to the hoop.
A good example is when the lanky white duke blocked from behind a stocky Butler player who blew past him towards the baseline but then hesitated going for a short flip shot.  Needed to take that to the rim or backboard hard.
Also, the Duke C had 4 fouls but then didn't get challenged down low again.
Butler settled for J's.

Towards the last few minutes, Butler got shaky on their ballhandling.
Had the ball stolen 40 feet from the basket, but the Butler player was able to tie up the stealer and the arrow was Butler's way.  Another Duke player poked the ball out of bounds 30 feet away.  And another play, Butler almost lost the ball on the perimeter.  Dukes' defense and poise were better.

[jmmengel]

Quote from: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2010, 09:34:39 AM
Poor FG percentage often = solid opponent's defense. 
Pure genius of Coack K says it is easier to imagine a W while Butler is attempting a half court heave to beat you.
That this almost DID occur doesnt change the wisdom.

Well, my point was that it is easier to imagine an L if you don't go up 3.
And if you miss the FT (I think the Big Dukie was under 60% on FT), it's the same as intentionally missing.
I'd rather be up 3 and have my defense more set for a rushed final 3 second full court play.  But I think the chances of winning were very good no matter which call was made.

To completely make up some numbers:
up by 3, you basically have a 0% chance of losing (a 4 point play on a long heave that goes in and a foul/made FT is negligible).
Up only 2, I'd say that you have maybe a 15% chance of losing.
Let's say that that extra second gives Butler an extra 5% chance of making a long tying basket (perhaps 10 feet closer on still a long rushed shot, but also the chance to defend the inbounds and maybe avoid a shot altogether or force a worse shot). 
I'd certainly take a 20% chance of being tied over a 15% chance of losing.


Duke did pick up their defense late, but Butler got a bit shaky.
In the 2nd half, Butler didn't take it strong to the hoop.
A good example is when the lanky white duke blocked from behind a stocky Butler player who blew past him towards the baseline but then hesitated going for a short flip shot.  Needed to take that to the rim or backboard hard.
Also, the Duke C had 4 fouls but then didn't get challenged down low again.
Butler settled for J's.

Towards the last few minutes, Butler got shaky on their ballhandling.
Had the ball stolen 40 feet from the basket, but the Butler player was able to tie up the stealer and the arrow was Butler's way.  Another Duke player poked the ball out of bounds 30 feet away.  And another play, Butler almost lost the ball on the perimeter.  Dukes' defense and poise were better.

Well, except for the fact that the last 4 points from Butler were Matt Howard points inside, the last one on a lay-up uncontested.
Duke had 12 turnovers to 8 by Butler.
Fact is Butler had the ball for the last shot in a 1 point game.
Better go back and watch the game on TiVo and take notes this time.

[bodiddley]

Well, except for the fact that the last 4 points from Butler were Matt Howard points inside, the last one on a lay-up uncontested.
Duke had 12 turnovers to 8 by Butler.

They got a nice pass inside for one Howard layup.
But they didn't drive inside the last 3+ minutes.
They never pressured the Big Dukie with 4 fouls.
The penultimate Butler possession with the tough baseline fadeaway exemplified the late game trend.

I saw one late Butler turnover, with possession saved by the arrow.
Two other near steals/sloppy ballhandling.
All three very far from the basket.
As I said, Butler had trouble with the Duke pressure late.
Wasn't discussing TO's for the entire game (I only saw the last 11 minutes anyway, from 40-40 on).

[jbottle]

The officials did everything but put a bow on it for Duke--one of the most flagrant fouls I've seen in all of college basketball this year isn't called.

[MrUtley]

"Hey, they finally let them play, this was a good national championship where the crowd agrees that, if anything the calls went in the favor of Butler..."

Sell it to somebody else.

And to the players out there, luck, but I saw that ballgame and Butler got SCREWED.

But it's OF A FUCKING THEME WHEN YOU PLAY DUKE WHERE K HAS DEMORALIZED THE GAME TO MAKE THE FLOP INSTITUTIONAL....

TOTALLY

FUCKING


PATHETIC.

The truth is that the Commissioner of the NFL had money on this game.

Really, you should be blaming Roger Goodell. He bought off the refs.

You should know better.