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« Reply #795 on: March 13, 2009, 05:47:23 PM »

Folks,

I have not finished reading the last of the second set of books I ordered to learn more about the Holocaust so that I can write at least one My Own Books to help teachers teach about this incident. With the amount of reading, I hope that I can get 2-3 stories out of it - it was a major investment in time.

As I have drafts of the story/ies available, I will post on here and/or on Religion/Politics so that those who know more than I do can correct any errors.

My heartfelt thanks go out to those who were truly helpful in this pursuit. The recommendation that I search for books on the Resistance were especially helpful. I came to a completely different perception of the Jewish people of the time. I also learned that a special friend whose husband died 10 years ago and put her into a shell, is the widow of one of the children who were hidden during the Holocaust. I wish now I had had the chance to get to know him, but his wife and I were friends because we were both teachers of special needs students, her on Long Island, and me, in rural Virginia.


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« Reply #796 on: March 26, 2009, 10:53:25 PM »

"Beat Poet Osama

One of the major questions still left over from the ongoing war in Afghanistan is the whereabouts of 9/11 mastermind Osama Bin Laden.  Was he killed during the Tora Bora raid in December of 2002? Is he residing in the lawless territories in northeastern Pakistan?  Just where is he?  Personally, I think I saw him selling thePost on 7th Avenue and 49th Street but hey, what do I know.

Perhaps I’ve watched one too many Law and Order episodes but it occurs to me that we don’t know enough about this guy to know where he’d actually go while on the lam.  When looking for a neighborhood drunk who knocked over the local 7-11, you hang out in the neighborhood bars.  Although we have a wealth of history about where Bin Laden has been and what he was doing at certain points in his life, we have no idea who Osama really is.  Case in point: Osama Bin Laden, number 1 on the FBI’s Most Wanted Criminal and Terrorist lists writes poetry.  Not Vogon poetry, mind you, which is considered to be some of the worst in the universe according to The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.  No, the man at the head of al-Qaeda writes love poems to his mistress.

The woman in question is Kola Boof.  She is an author and has been in the US Witness Protection Program for nearly ten years.  The poems were originally supposed to appear in her autobiography Diary of a Lost Girl, but legal issues with the Bin Laden family, specifically his wife Naweh, forced the poems to be edited out of the manuscript. Now, however, because there will be no payment, Kola Boof is going to publish four of Osama’s works of verse in the Russian edition of Esquire magazine or Italian Vogue.  The four poems are said to be three epic pro-jihadist pieces and one of the sarcastic love variety.

This information comes from a 3/17/09 press release distributed byPR Wire Press Release Newswire.  When read carefully, certain other facts come to the fore: Bin Laden is a Pisces and the love poem written for Boof is entitled ‘Naima Cat.’  So to recap, Osama is a cat person, had a mistress, is a Pisces writes epic and love verse, is on the lam from the US government and his wife.

Jesus, I was wrong. He’s not selling papers on 49th and 7th.  Bin Laden is probably living in an efficiency apartment on Thompson Street near the Holland Tunnel and is waiting for the weather to break so he can read his work in Washington Square Park, with his AK-47 at his side, of course.  Thus is the way of the modern warrior love poet.  I guess if you don’t want to be found you hide in plain sight."

[As Posted by AlexZola] from Salon
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« Reply #797 on: April 20, 2009, 08:54:22 PM »

Does anyone here know of a book in English written by a German soldier captured at Stalingrad who later returned to Germany?

Of all of Paulus's men who surrendered, only 5,000 or so made it back.
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« Reply #798 on: April 20, 2009, 09:28:57 PM »

Does anyone here know of a book in English written by a German soldier captured at Stalingrad who later returned to Germany?

Of all of Paulus's men who surrendered, only 5,000 or so made it back.

Did you have a specific title in mind? or just generally?

A while back I read this, available in English and German:

Blood Red Snow: The Memoirs of a German Soldier on the Eastern Front,
Gunter K Koschorrek 


Sample at Google Books:  http://books.google.com/books?id=5xhsaolGI3IC&dq=blood+red+snow&printsec=frontcover&source=bl&ots=Wo_-xU2GML&sig=mqgBIeNaszdC8n-gRHI13-BKgvk&hl=en&ei=9SDtSbTDJYr0Mr7uoe0P&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3#PPP1,M1
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« Reply #799 on: May 05, 2009, 11:45:38 AM »

The book you recommend whose exerpts I read seems to me more of a war memoir than what I am looking for.

What I had in mind was a memoir of a German soldier who was captured at Stalingrad, marched to Siberia, and who then somehow made it back to Germany

The only one I am familiar with is a book called As Far as My Feet Will Take Me.

That one deals with a former prisoner who escaped from Siberia and eventually exited the USSR through Iran.

I wondered if there were others
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« Reply #800 on: May 05, 2009, 06:21:55 PM »

There is"The Long Walk" by Slavomir Rawicz  which I read some years ago.In it the surviving POWS wind up in British India after a year on the run from Soviet Russia.If you click on that title at Amazon some like books show up including the one by Bauer.One I read when it came out that I  thought excellent was "Man is Wolf to Man" by Janusz Bardach in which he a Polish Jew in the Red Army is sent to a Siberian Camp after accidently putting a tank in a river.A chilling account of Siberia.
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« Reply #801 on: May 05, 2009, 11:46:14 PM »

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A chilling account of Siberia.

Too funny, bosox.
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« Reply #802 on: May 06, 2009, 12:18:33 AM »

Hey I try Cheesy,Cap I tried Googling different themes on the same thing for that book and nothing much seems to come up.A lot comes up as History sites but not many books.I also see there is a movie of As far as my feet will carry me.
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« Reply #803 on: October 12, 2009, 07:24:27 PM »

There is"The Long Walk" by Slavomir Rawicz  which I read some years ago.In it the surviving POWS wind up in British India after a year on the run from Soviet Russia.If you click on that title at Amazon some like books show up including the one by Bauer.One I read when it came out that I  thought excellent was "Man is Wolf to Man" by Janusz Bardach in which he a Polish Jew in the Red Army is sent to a Siberian Camp after accidently putting a tank in a river.A chilling account of Siberia.



"...the surviving POWS wind up in British India...

The one that I really like and always have is Heinrich Harrar, the revelations of which were posted by my fellow poster(an East German) in Western European forum at nytimes.  Whose story was indelibly filmed to star Brad Pitt; as a result Brad now makes German movies, he looks like their "Ideal".  I think, that one was called, Seven Years in Tibet (and if people get that mixed up with his other Seven or sevsan, whatever it is called, too bad).  

I was always really curious about this story but the film does not tell the whole thing which is why the East German posted.

Brad(or Heinrich) was living a fairly normal life being a fair-haired boy when the Nazis co-opted him, similar to the Gunther Grass story but at least Grass got to go to Art school.

Up to that point, Heinrich Harrar had been a mountain climber par excellence, had a world record. Then about reaching the heights, at such a young age so to speak, the SS came calling on him to train the ski patrols as they began invading cold Northern European climate.  He was flabberghasted but he had never thought about leaving the country, leaving his homeland until this question of "serving one's country" in some capacity.

I don't recall all the details anymore but I knew of him because he became the Dalai Lama's science teacher in the more mechanical and engineering side of applied sciences. The Tibetans did neat things themselves; like  the Iranians, they go wind flying on the updraft of mountains(like this Eagle wired for motion photography at high speed which I saw last night on tv).  The movie that Brad Pitt did of Seven Years.... is a fairly accurate history of the Tibetan invasion by the Chinese and how it was arranged, as long as you have some background on the Tibetan nuances and what the culture is about and what it is like.

In any case  how this all came to be was when the British picked him up as an enemy combatant(exactly as Gunther Grass had been warned about, as the Russian advanced, and was told by the old soldier to rip off his collar tags or the Soviets would hang him). The British slammed Heinrich into a prison camp in India for the time being. This depiction of the prison camp under desert conditions is a pretty good example for the living conditions at Guantanamo that you have not been seeing.

In, Seven Years in Tibet, Pitt/Harrar talks David Thewlis into going with him and making the escape, because Harrar knows that once beyond the uplands, when they pass through Nepal either toward Everest or on the Altaic plane to the West in the direction of Tien Shan, that he will not be able to survive alone without a partner.

By the time that they arrive and see the view of Lhasa, it is pretty much brings to mind that old Hollywood classic: Shangrila, the very intriguing court life in the monastery of the Potala is as interesting as anything in the dark old Kremlin of the Tsars. It is in fact just the other side, for the Russians and the Japanese have been slipping through here  for many years exploring for military reasons.   As the child Dalai Lama asks him questions,Pitt begins to instruct his Holiness in Western Science and becomes the official tutor in Western subjects. Pitt and Thewlis are now plunked down in Tibetan style matrimony; I seem to remember a young seamstress in this episode of the history because they obviously need new clothes.

Everything is just fine until the usual factions choose side and the Chinese are invading from the East (depending on which maps you have because on some maps they are already on the West).  The object is to avoid them by heading south by yak train (and although one of the factions would be CIA trained in Colorado), to make their way down into the highlands again at Dorjeling/Darjeeling.

After which, Heinrich Harrar, still blond, ruddy, from life in the environment for which he trained, returns home to an estranged wife in a post-war world. I believe there might have been a child who merely reminded him of the Dalai Lama who had been his student. It is so German; or should I say Austrian?  He is the next most enlightened Westerner other than Lama Anagarika Govinda, also Austrian. I think they are all dead now; save for the Dalai Lama himself who is in my age group.

"a passable Germanic accent as Austrian journeyer Heinrich Harrar in Seven Years in Tibet, a performance many have credited as the best of his career. ..."  Pitt's Planet.
(I'd say so, with exception of, Fight Club).

Ps, I have also reversed the national origins by mistake. Harrer is the Carinthian Austrian; and Govinda was born in Germany
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« Reply #804 on: December 08, 2009, 07:20:42 PM »

The Last Pharaohs
Egypt Under the Ptolemies, 305-30 BC
J. G. Manning


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The history of Ptolemaic Egypt has usually been doubly isolated--separated both from the history of other Hellenistic states and from the history of ancient Egypt. The Last Pharaohs, the first detailed history of Ptolemaic Egypt as a state, departs radically from previous studies by putting the Ptolemaic state firmly in the context of both Hellenistic and Egyptian history. More broadly still, J. G. Manning examines the Ptolemaic dynasty in the context of the study of authoritarian and premodern states, shifting the focus of study away from modern European nation-states and toward ancient Asian ones.


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The history of Ptolemaic Egypt has usually been doubly isolated--separated both from the history of other Hellenistic states and from the history of ancient Egypt. The Last Pharaohs, the first detailed history of Ptolemaic Egypt as a state, departs radically from previous studies by putting the Ptolemaic state firmly in the context of both Hellenistic and Egyptian history. More broadly still, J. G. Manning examines the Ptolemaic dynasty in the context of the study of authoritarian and premodern states, shifting the focus of study away from modern European nation-states and toward ancient Asian ones. By analyzing Ptolemaic reforms of Egyptian economic and legal structures, The Last Pharaohs gauges the impact of Ptolemaic rule on Egypt and the relationships that the Ptolemaic kings formed with Egyptian society. Manning argues that the Ptolemies sought to rule through--rather than over--Egyptian society. He tells how the Ptolemies, adopting a pharaonic model of governance, shaped Egyptian society and in turn were shaped by it. Neither fully Greek nor wholly Egyptian, the Ptolemaic state within its core Egyptian territory was a hybrid that departed from but did not break with Egyptian history. Integrating the latest research on archaeology, papyrology, theories of the state, and legal history, as well as Hellenistic and Egyptian history, The Last Pharaohs draws a dramatically new picture of Egypt's last ancient state.

J. G. Manning is professor of classics and history at Yale University, and a senior research scholar at Yale Law School. He is the author of Land and Power in Ptolemaic Egypt and the coeditor of The Ancient Economy: Evidence and Models.

Endorsements:

"This fascinating book has broad views that should appeal to many people who are neither specialists on ancient Egypt nor the ancient Greek world. J. G. Manning has a perfect knowledge of his subject."--Alain Bresson, University of Chicago

"Most scholars who study Ptolemaic Egypt are specialists in either Greek or Egyptian demotic papyrology, work below the level of large-scale narrative, and write technical studies that are not always accessible to historians. And the evidence from Ptolemaic Egypt is often considered parochial since Egypt is thought of as unique in the ancient world. J. G. Manning's book answers all these problems. Leaving the niche of technical papyrology and showing convincingly why Ptolemaic Egypt is important for the study of state formation and the ancient economy, he approaches the period as a real historian and puts his subject in the context of current international scholarly debate. The Last Pharaohs will impress ancient historians in general, and should make the Ptolemaic state an important case study in the literature on authoritarian states and state formation."--Katelijn Vandorpe, Katholieke Universiteit Leuven

Table of Contents:


List of Illustrations ix
Preface xi
Abbreviations xv

INTRODUCTION 1
CHAPTER 1: Egypt in the First Millennium BC 19
CHAPTER 2: The Historical Understanding of the Ptolemaic State 29
CHAPTER 3: Moving beyond Despotism, Economic Planning, and State Banditry 55
Ptolemaic Egypt as a Premodern State

CHAPTER 4: Shaping a New State 73
The Political Economy of the Ptolemies


CHAPTER 5: Creating a New Economic Order 117
Economic Life and Economic Policy under the Ptolemies

CHAPTER 6: Order and Law 165
Shaping the Law in a New State

CHAPTER 7: Conclusions 202

APPENDIX 207
The Trial Record of the Property Dispute Held at the Temple of Wepwawet in Asyut, Upper Egypt, 170 BC before the Local Laokritai-judges


Bibliography 217
Index 259
Index of Sources 263



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Archaeology and Ancient History
Classics *

* Speaking of which, this history is full of clues as to why Thomas Mann wrote Joseph1933–43 Joseph and His Brothers (Joseph und seine Brüder), tetralogy
1933 The Tales of Jacob (Die Geschichten Jaakobs)
1934 The Young Joseph (Der junge Joseph)
1936 Joseph in Egypt (Joseph in Ägypten)
1943 Joseph the Provider (Joseph, der Ernährer)


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« Reply #805 on: December 08, 2009, 08:17:29 PM »

Dianne,

If Princeton published a book with that level of detail on Norte Chico or the Incas, I would be interest. But, Egypt is old news.
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« Reply #806 on: December 08, 2009, 09:01:37 PM »

Old news....a funny way of putting it....old civilizations in general are old news   Wink

I'm thinking about getting this.  My husband would love it.  Egypt is his ideal vacation.
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« Reply #807 on: December 08, 2009, 10:32:47 PM »

Laurie,

That was on purpose <grin> .... but in a more serious light, Norte Chico is the newest addition to archeological wonders. Egypt has been well documented.
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« Reply #808 on: December 17, 2009, 11:26:57 AM »

The work referred to is not archeological. If you look more closely, you will notice this is a work on Economics.

By the way, I have friends who did vacation in Egypt but that was over a decade ago; to travel on the Nile was not less dangerous then than it is at present.  A good look on a map should reveal why.
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« Reply #809 on: December 18, 2009, 12:09:16 AM »

Dianne,

Economics is part of social studies and is considered a study included with archeology. The purpose of archeology is not to equip museums, but to study the remains from the past in order to understand the life of the people, including their economics. Norte Chico is unique in the early civilizations in that the farming developed to grow cotton which was made into nets and sold to the fishermen for their fish, which was the main diet of the civilization. Later, Norte Chico terraced the mountains as their civilization climbed verticall instead of horizontally like the middle eastern civilizations.

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