World History

[madupont]

madupont

Economics is part of social studies and is considered a study included with archeology. The purpose of archeology is not to equip museums, but to study the remains from the past in order to understand the life of the people, including their economics. Norte Chico is unique in the early civilizations in that the farming developed to grow cotton which was made into nets and sold to the fishermen for their fish, which was the main diet of the civilization. Later, Norte Chico terraced the mountains as their civilization climbed verticall instead of horizontally like the middle eastern civilizations.

Is it your contention that there is nothing unique about Egyptian civilization compared to your proclivity for identifying early American cultures with yourself in some unique way?  As you have yourself reminded me this is the World History  forum(not the American History forum) when Robert Whelan's History forum was not sufficient for your latest dogmas.

[madupont]

http://www.sphere.com/world/article/pope-spars-with-jewish-leaders-over-pius-xiis-holocaust-record/19320250?icid=main|htmlws-bv-n|dl2|link4|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sphere.com%2Fworld%2Farticle%2Fpope-spars-with-jewish-leaders-over-pius-xiis-holocaust-record%2F19320250

Pope Defends Predecessor Against Critics

a) Would it have made any difference if Benedict was not German(and,b) living in the Italian capitol's Vatican that had been home to Pacelli during the former pope's acceptance of Mussolini's adopting of the(c) Nuremberg Race Laws and applying them to the ghetto on the Tiber)?

Perhaps, if Benedict had been younger at the time of his investiture,having been elected by the Cardinals of the Church, a)this may have avoided the presumption of in what way he was contemporary to the events and Laws of the Third Reich; and b) he would not have  misunderstood that the British cleric he forgave and accepted back into the Holy Roman Catholic Church had as an Anglican been spouting "virulent anti-semitic" personal beliefs,c)shortly before a reformation by which Benedict would infallibly decree the acceptance into the Church of the Anglican hierarchy,married and unmarried; while simultaneously deciding on an investigation of compliance with the regulations of the Conventual orders of women.

This latter review has the onus of actively asserting authority contemporaneously to the modern world's contemperaneous awareness of the realities of the Muslim restrictions of women and concomitant cruelties inflicted upon them in the capitals of Western Europe.

It is not only embarrassing that contradictions abound.

[madupont]

If Princeton published a book with that level of detail on Norte Chico or the Incas, I would be interest. But, Egypt is old news.

 

I'm sure that more than likely they have done that, if you actually looked into that for yourself.

[madupont]

I sincerely hope that the current disparaging of an academic publication of the History of Egyptian Economics, that included my Ps. on what it reveals about the novels of Thomas Mann, in the Joseph series, was not just more of the anti-semitic arguments that you have continued presenting in these forums whether under History forums or Obama administration forum.

[weezo]

If Princeton published a book with that level of detail on Norte Chico or the Incas, I would be interest. But, Egypt is old news.

 

I'm sure that more than likely they have done that, if you actually looked into that for yourself.

I'm the one who doesn't think it would be a good investment of time to find out if Princeton has any Ancient Andes experts or Ancient Peru or the civilizations of the south Amerrican coasts.

If such people are doing research from Princeton, I would like to be able to ring 'em up.

[madupont]

For the Soul of France by Frederick Brown
 
“For the Soul of France is masterful history, brilliantly researched, and hard to put down.”—Henry A. Kissinger

Frederick Brown, cultural historian, author of acclaimed biographies of Émile Zola (“Magnificent”—The New Yorker) and Flaubert (“Splendid . . . Intellectually nuanced, exquisitely written”—The New Republic) now gives us an ambitious, far-reaching book—a perfect joining of subject and writer: a portrait of fin-de-siècle France.

He writes about the forces that led up to the twilight years of the nineteenth century when France, defeated by Prussia in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870–71, was forced to cede the border states of Alsace and Lorraine, and of the resulting civil war, waged without restraint, that toppled Napoléon III, crushed the Paris Commune, and provoked a dangerous nationalism that gripped the Republic.

The author describes how postwar France, a nation splintered in the face of humiliation by the foreigner—Prussia—dissolved into two cultural factions: moderates, proponents of a secular state (“Clericalism, there is the enemy!”), and reactionaries, who saw their ideal nation—militant, Catholic, royalist—embodied by Joan of Arc, with their message, that France had suffered its defeat in 1871 for having betrayed its true faith. A bitter debate took hold of the heart and soul of the country, framed by the vision of “science” and “technological advancement” versus “supernatural intervention.”

Brown shows us how Paris’s most iconic monuments that rose up during those years bear witness to the passionate decades-long quarrel. At one end of Paris was Gustave Eiffel’s tower, built in iron and more than a thousand feet tall, the beacon of a forward-looking nation; at Paris’ other end, at the highest point in the city, the basilica of the Sacré-Coeur, atonement for the country’s sins and moral laxity whose punishment was France’s defeat in the war…

Brown makes clear that the Dreyfus Affair—the cannonade of the 1890s—can only be understood in light of these converging forces. “The Affair” shaped the character of public debate and informed private life. At stake was the fate of a Republic born during the Franco-Prussian War and reared against bitter opposition.

The losses that abounded during this time—the financial loss suffered by thousands in the crash of the Union Génerale, a bank founded in 1875 to promote Catholic interests with Catholic capital outside the Rothschilds’ sphere of influence, along with the failure of the Panama Canal Company—spurred the partisan press, which blamed both disasters on Jewry.

The author writes how the roiling conflicts that began thirty years before Dreyfus did not end with his exoneration in 1900. Instead they became the festering point that led to France’s surrender to Hitler’s armies in 1940, when the Third Republic fell and the Vichy government replaced it, with Marshal Pétain heralded as the latest incarnation of Joan of Arc, France’s savior…

Frederick Brown is the author of Flaubert, which was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award in biography, and Zola, named an Editor’s Choice by The New York Times Book Review as one of the best books of the year. Brown has twice been the recipient of both Guggenheim and National Endowment for the Humanities fellowships. He lives in New York City.

[madupont]

http://conversations.blackvoices.com/entertainment/99435682aaea4564b24369ed6fc90973/ancient-west-african-megacity-found/3649e6b03fb243cb96521236953fc5b4?icid=main|htmlws-bv-n|dl3|link7|http%3A%2F%2Fconversations.blackvoices.com%2Fentertainment%2F99435682aaea4564b24369ed6fc90973%2Fancient-west-african-megacity-found%2F3649e6b03fb243cb96521236953fc5b4

Alas, the listings before the White House Forum are forums that are geographic with a listing of continents that significantly allow for Africa to be absent.

So after the above archaeological video, I will place the History component here as well.

[madupont]

http://migrationstoriesofnigerianigbo.wordpress.com/
(an account of genetic ancestry among the Igbo, Nigeria)
 

[madupont]

...I don't know how much research Kingsolver put into her writing on Adah, but my edition of PB has an extensive bibliography on Africa and the Congo.

"My mother is the eldest (or ada) of seven siblings,"
 
(an account of genetic ancestry among the Igbo, Nigeria)

[Donotremove]

Interesting, Maddy, but way too much information for me since I'm not a scholar in this field. I love to look at Nubians. Such beautiful faces, especially the women. And the tall, spare bodies of both the men and the women. How unique they are.

[Lhoffman]

...I don't know how much research Kingsolver put into her writing on Adah, but my edition of PB has an extensive bibliography on Africa and the Congo.

"My mother is the eldest (or ada) of seven siblings,"
 
(an account of genetic ancestry among the Igbo, Nigeria)

It is most interesting.   An excellent blog.  

As to my remark that you posted, Kingsolver's  Adah wasn't the oldest daughter, and she was named in America rather than in the Congo.  I'm thinking Kingsolver's choice of name was more related to the Biblical referents she was employing than to anything else.  The only person in the family without a Biblical name is the mother, Orleanna.

[weezo]

Maddie,

If you had any common sense, you would have asked Liquid Silver a long time ago to put up a forum for Africa. Instead of discussing a fiction book on a list for world history books.

[madupont]

Interesting, Maddy, but way too much information for me since I'm not a scholar in this field. I love to look at Nubians. Such beautiful faces, especially the women. And the tall, spare bodies of both the men and the women. How unique they are.

This is the kind of research that Henry Louis Gates,Jr. goes off on a jaunt paid for by Harvard that would tire him out enough to get arrested in his own home. (Of course that one was to China for some reason unknown but that's his business.)

Then, of course, now retired Rev.Jerry Wright would incorporate in his Sunday school program  in Afrocentric Christianity at Trinity Church in the Chicago suburbs.

That was the thing that  most struck me about this topic (as something you switch on to your computer  in the morning, and flap, try this for size instead of the current gossip ) because, after I "sight read", it occurred to me why the most advances in this cultural history take place is that so many of the researchers have this fantastically thorough grounding in biblical scholarship by having gone to  religious schools for preachers in the same area as that Huntsville, Alabama scandal that is in the newspapers/or on-line these last few days. These were people who memorized their Deutoronomy by rote, and could make sense of applying it to the real world, the present world, through lineage.

(I've known a few people who attended those schools; but, they are long gone, long ago. Except of course for the young ladies who were sent to school because those were considered safe places and now they are at least the same age as weezo and Laurie.) I'll tell you though that having known people like that made it natural for me to become acquainted with various Africans very readily, easily, spontaneously.

"I love to look at Nubians.", that's the German in you. I encountered that back in the Fifties,sculptors who were German beginning to show up in the US after WW2. I had a small collection of African pieces in the entry where I lived and they just up and disappeared. It wasn't the Germans artists who walked with them, however, but some fellow student, a tall Polish fellow named  Hajduki who apparently went into the  furnace room and slept there in the cold weather and cadged all the smaller delicate carvings that he passed and sold them to have something to eat.

Leni Riefenstahl,"Hitler's cinematographer", went on making field trips to Africa, into her old age, to take photographs of
the Nubians, for the same aesthetic reasons.

Personally, I like the Tuaregs best, they may not be the prettiest but they think they are and are very humorous because they have a highly refined sense of humor and jokes for people who dress almost entirely in dark indigo blue. They are Berbers, of the desert, slightly different then the Atlas Mountain Berbers of Algiers.

[madupont]

Lhoffman, ""My mother is the eldest (or ada) of seven siblings,"
is a quote from the text toward the bottom of the account and it practically leapt out at me  when it came into focus, It is a good representation of how the terminology is fluid in a language that has retained Igbo=Hebrew inheritance, Arab and Islamic conquests, merged with their own local tribal linguistic pattern.

It took me awhile to find the exact accurate applicable post to quote, although I had a vague idea where we were in the Kingsolver text. Too bad we didn't make a bibliography of her recommendations.

You'd be surprised how many well known African American screen stars are proudly Igbo. I read an article about this recently but can't remember who off hand was in the article.

[madupont]

Maddie,

If you had any common sense, you would have asked Liquid Silver a long time ago to put up a forum for Africa. Instead of discussing a fiction book on a list for world history books.

Oh, I did, quite awhile ago re: the warlord millionaires of East Africa; back when the piracy came into the news. I wasn't discussing a fiction book, however, if you look more carefully you will notice this is a valid history which is why I posted it here. I guess there may be a number of personal histories, which link from the main text as you go through. I first studied African linguistics in the 1950s, but think it was after I returned from New York; it is too long ago to recall clearly other than being in the classroom.