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whiskeypriest

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Re: American League
« Reply #1380 on: February 12, 2019, 03:35:43 PM »

An analogy is not supposed to be a direct mathematical comparison, any more than Gussie is supposed to be a parrot. The winning percentage of a dominant football team and a dominant baseball team are different, but the point is the dominance.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1381 on: February 12, 2019, 06:37:43 PM »

But if you can easily make it match up - YES - simple intelligence would say that you would

12-4 = 120-40

This one was beyond easy for Bankie
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« Reply #1382 on: February 12, 2019, 07:14:44 PM »

You're not that dumb

Your 12-4 bit is whack.  10-6 would have worked.  2 teams 10-6 = 2 teams 102-60 in baseball

They weren't his, Kiiid.

They were mine.

And yes, I understand that 10-6 would have worked, but... you act like that matters and it doesn't.

We had
Kansas City 12-4
San Dieago 12-4
Denver        6-10
Oakland      4-12

And that, too, would have worked, but I picked the version I picked. It doesn't need to parallel the MLB percentages to still make a good fit. After all, 9-7 is a 91 win team! I didn't have the gradation of 8.3-7.7 for an NFL season, the equivalent of the 84 win 4th place team that some site or another presented for Utley to dig up for his claim of "best" for the NL East division.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1383 on: February 12, 2019, 07:23:31 PM »

But if you can easily make it match up - YES - simple intelligence would say that you would

12-4 = 120-40

This one was beyond easy for Bankie

kid

I understood your math equation, but I was surprised you equated the relative ease of a good NFL team playing .750 ball (12-4) or better, (4 teams did it this year) and the near impossibility of an MLB team winning at that level. To my knowledge it has never been done.  Your attempt to define relative success in the NFL and MLB by equating the winning % was misplaced at best, as history has given us enough examples from which to learn and draw proper conclusions.

I'm almost surprised you were ignorant of that fact.

lets just say you swung and missed and struck-out,

Or you were strip sacked, and it was returned for TD?

you decide.


 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1384 on: February 13, 2019, 09:59:02 AM »

I think all 4 NL East teams beat Tampa in a series and all 4 give Yanks and Sox a good run.

If you want to say

AL East has 2 best of the ten (overall NL and AL East), thats fine.

1 - Sox/Yanks
s - Yanks/Sox
3 - Nats
4 - Phils
5 - Mets
6 - Braves
7 - Rays
8 - O's/Jays/Marlins
9 - O's/Jays/Marlins
10 - O's/Jays/Marlins


I wont quibble.

But I also think playing the other 3 NL East teams so many times each year makes it difficult to reach for 95-100 wins.  If they play dead even....... that's 27 or so losses right there.  Yanks and Sox likely lose about 6 or 8 too Tampa and 9 to the other - which is 15 or 17 (difference of 10).

Conclusion - the separation between a 100 win Yanks team and a 90 win Nats is not really what it seems.  Yanks much closer to all 4 top NL East teams than the average fan would suspect.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1385 on: February 13, 2019, 10:12:29 AM »

I agree with Kid and I also think that if Harper returns to the Nats (which I think is going to happen) they're better than the Yankees and perhaps the Red Sox' equal. 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1386 on: February 13, 2019, 10:32:42 AM »

Well the oddsmakers have the Rays winning the same 84 1/2 games (ex-Nats) in arguably a tougher league.

My guess is the Rays v NLE is pretty much 50/50 in home/away series.

And before calling near "parity" between the Ys and the NL E, you've got to assume pretty big leap in NLE performance across the board. I assume Ys win 55-60% of the games played

In general Sox/Ys have feasted in ILP and both their schedules are weighted towards the NLE.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1387 on: February 13, 2019, 10:51:05 AM »

The NL East played the AL East last season. They were net -12 against them, with 3 of the teams having losing records.

Every team in the NL East had a losing record against the NL West. The division as a whole had a slightly losing record against the NL Central.

I do understand that you expect the NLE to be stronger in 2019 - it certainly won't hurt their overall record to be playing the AL Central! I think you are overly optimistic about their burgeoning strength.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1388 on: February 13, 2019, 11:03:48 AM »

I think you are overly optimistic about their burgeoning strength
Why?  Have you actually looked at the talent that each team in the NL East, save the Marlins, added?   Each of those teams plugged holes they had. 
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« Reply #1389 on: February 13, 2019, 02:41:47 PM »

I think you are overly optimistic about their burgeoning strength
Why?  Have you actually looked at the talent that each team in the NL East, save the Marlins, added?   Each of those teams plugged holes they had.

Yes. And looked at the strength added by most of the AL East teams and other NL teams. I confess to having looked less at that AL Central to see if they've improved enough to make a difference.

It's unfortunate that we won't have the East teams head to head again this year, though I suppose we can look at their performances against shared opponents to see how they each fare. I could well be wrong - it would not be the first time today.

I would currently rate the Yankees ahead of the Red Sox in overall strength, though I think head to head it might not work out that way. The Orioles will be better than last year, but I think that's not saying a ton - a 15 game improvement brings them to a mere 100 losses. We'll see about Toronto and Tampa Bay.
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Re: American League
« Reply #1390 on: February 13, 2019, 03:09:44 PM »

I think the Orioles have an 115-loss level of talent (a starting "big" 3 of Alex Cobb, Andrew Cashner and Dylan Bundy is actually the team's "strength"), but it's really, really hard to lose that many games. 
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Re: American League
« Reply #1391 on: February 14, 2019, 12:40:52 AM »

Mychal Givens is a monster.
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