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« Reply #9390 on: March 14, 2010, 01:30:09 PM »

Glad you reviewed this for us, Maddie -- I look forward to catching it pretty soon.

Saw "Deadline" -- concerns an emotionally fragile writer (Brittany M. in one of her last performances -- perfectly cast) who moves into an old house to concentrate on a script and hoping to meet a deadline set by a producer.  This could have been one of those off-the-shelf and somewhat ingrown (don't you feel a little pang of apprehension when you encounter yet another director whose first film is about a screenwriter?) plots that bedevil the industry, but a few twists and turns, and some fine acting from Murphy and Thora Birch et al., managed to give me something interesting and almost Hitchcockian.   All the old house cliches, instead of instilling ennui, are put to good use and the story takes its time to develop mood.  Just when you think you are seeing another movie you've already seen, say "What Lies Beneath," things shift and you realize you don't quite know what is going on.

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« Reply #9391 on: March 14, 2010, 01:55:15 PM »

Well, thanks,Barton but after I got out of the movie, I ran into Keira Knightley shiningly new from the magazine covers on the rack at the supermarket.

As the topic came up re: Oscars and winners. Keira now has Long Hair curling down in waves of auburn/amber highlights on either side of her face and well below-shoulder length. Either really her or not. Looks amazingly come-hither as if she has reached and attained another level of knowledge. Britain will do that when spending time there to gain theatre experience at the source of all good things.

Alas, I cannot be sure if she is on the cover of Vanity Fair(will have to check; but it was not Vogue). May be, Harper's Bazaar? NOPE. Town and Country? I was pretty sure that was for the new MichaelDouglas movie on  how Greed is good for you....   Still looking....
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« Reply #9392 on: March 14, 2010, 05:12:55 PM »

I do not think Viet nam was a Chinese war but a war of independence. Fog of war made that clear it was known to everyone but LBJ's yes men.


One question, "a war of independence" from whom? I believe that Fog of War was supposed to be McNamara's apologia for having involved us in this war which the French could not win but it was supposed that the US weaponry(Dow Chemical,etc.) could do the trick at least as reported by another CIA  man unlike the one who will show up at the bottom of this response; for the simple reason that his identity remained hidden when posting at Western European forum of the nytimes.com and is unknown except by nom de plume with origins claimed in North Dakota. If he is real, he was last heard from while "recruiting" to no avail.

His claim was that being a German-speaking American, he could liaison with the Germans of the Foreign Legion, and that he later sent his adopted son to the French Military academy when he took his Vietnamese wife back to Europe for medical treatment.  Those were wild days at the nytimes.com before money got tight.

LBJ being from Texas, I would not imagine having been adverse to the Southeast Asian oil shelf becoming "ours" (if we could have won). After all, the Chinese troops were restrained by Chiang Ching from rail-roading into Nam (which is, to the Chinese, their "South" and demanded "independence" from the French, if that is what you meant by a "war of independence"). Chiang Ching was later officially prosecuted for heading a "gang of four" during the period when Chairman Mao was in his dotage.

So let's start with the other Vietnam movies.

I think that I've seen only two of your selections, Cimino's, The Deer Hunter(1978) which is an anti-war movie with,you guessed it(?):
Meryl Streep who thus qualified to bring "star-power" to Lions and Lambs
which has been considered a "Flop" according to imdb.com; but another star in The Deer Hunter was Shirley Stoler ( I am used to seeing her name spelled,Stoller) who previously starred in Lina Wertmuller's (1975) film: Pasquelino Settebellezze/Seven Beauties.

(For which she was nominated by the Academy, as a forerunner of Jane Campion, for the Australian Film Industry, who had made:The Piano,awarded at Cannes, starring Harvey Keitel, Anna Paquin, and Holly Hunter; that followed by Sofia Coppola in 2000something for, Lost in Translation, although she had previously taken a Raspberry for her first acting job in,Godfather 3 (and she likely could not have been worse than Gregory Corso who forgot his lines when bursting into a court-room scene and never regaining his composure at his inability to memorize lines that he himself had not written.  His were always Excellent, however; which is how you know when  you are hearing or reading a real Poet).

By the way, Redacted, and Rendition were both also named Flops, at imdb.

Then we get to Kovic's story filmed by Oliver Stone: Born on the Fourth of July. You know when dealing with Stone that this is an:Anti-War movie! When I went to see it, this was the last time that I saw Abbott Hoffman alive, on screen that is, since he played Judge Hoffman in this film for a lark. It was on this occasion that I met too young women in the ladies-room, before catching my bus back home; they too had come to see Abbie "once again" in their case because they lived at the "so-called" commune somewhere along the Mercer and Hunterton counties'border where he had died of an overdose much in the same manner as Marilyn Monroe had considerably earlier. Why she died we will never know except that everybody else knew she was susceptible to suicide. Hoffman on the other hand died because he was actively protesting by documenting the adverse effects of putting a power plant on the Delaware River.

I also saw,In the Valley of Elah, re: current war/Iraq (or, have we quite finished?) which I watched on tv because of Tommy Lee Jones role as the father.  Other than that, I would say it is an Anti-war film, again. Why? because it represents our troops as being a bunch of misfits who are now warped for life since they are used to committing crimes against humanity.

The film that you did not mention which is my favorite is: Syriana (2005)
written by Robert Baer, whom I heard speak about it on CSPAN. He is a 21-year career veteran of the Directorate of Operations at CIA.  It is a complex job of plotting starring George Clooney, Jeffery Wright, Christopher Plummer, and Matt Damon --and somewhere around here I had a link to a commentary on The Green Zone which I seem to have lost and will have to relocate for you. Found it!

Iraq

http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1633788/story.jhtml
'Green Zone': The Bourne Insufficiency, By Kurt Loder
Matt Damon on patrol in a muddled war story.
Here is my favorite: Written by Robert Baer(21 year career at Directorate of Operations,CIA)
Pakistan
Syriana(2005) starring George Clooney and a heap of other stars: Jeffrey Wright,Christopher Plummer, and
Matt Damon; I'm sure there are more
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365737/plotsummary
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0365737/synopsis

If I manage to get everything else done, I may be allowed to see some bootleg copy of another Clooney, Men Who Stare at Goats, which apparently had a bad review.
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« Reply #9393 on: March 14, 2010, 09:15:57 PM »

Is your head a camera?
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« Reply #9394 on: March 15, 2010, 09:38:42 AM »

I am a Camera, Sally Bowles
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« Reply #9395 on: March 15, 2010, 10:28:13 AM »

Madup -- Men/Goats releases a week from this Tuesday, so you don't need to get a bootleg copy to see it, if you can wait a few days.  The Informant also dvd releases on 3/23, also worth a look.  I plan to rent both. 

Bart, I will look for Deadline.  Screenwriter plots, though they do feel filmschooly, sometimes surprise.  The one with Steve Zahn and Milla Jovovich, last year (?), wasn't too bad.

Love the "Mod Squad" version for Bigelow!   
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« Reply #9396 on: March 15, 2010, 10:46:04 AM »

Mixed reviews on Goats.  Peter Travers liked it.  Glad to see someone is having fun with the Iraq war theme.  Seems a throwback to the early days of the National Security Agency.  Of course, I doubt much has changed over the years.
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« Reply #9397 on: March 15, 2010, 10:52:21 AM »

Someone should take a shot at The Prince of Marshes, an excellent insider's view of Iraq as told by a former British diplomat.
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« Reply #9398 on: March 15, 2010, 12:30:56 PM »

Peter Travers likes everything. 

Green Zone sounds like better-as-book.  I wonder if Damon needs to break away from being cast as Jason Bourne.

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« Reply #9399 on: March 15, 2010, 12:47:27 PM »

Knoxharrington,

I posted the utterly damning review of Green Zone above in the schlag replying to Luee.
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« Reply #9400 on: March 15, 2010, 12:50:47 PM »

Someone should take a shot at The Prince of Marshes, an excellent insider's view of Iraq as told by a former British diplomat.


Someone did, maybe he can be drawn-out. Donotremove, who reminded me many months back when somebody else had been detained even further back in time from entering the country in order to meet his book-signing reading date in this country.
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« Reply #9401 on: March 15, 2010, 12:52:30 PM »

Mixed reviews on Goats.  Peter Travers liked it.  Glad to see someone is having fun with the Iraq war theme.  Seems a throwback to the early days of the National Security Agency.  Of course, I doubt much has changed over the years.


CIA reviewed it at CSPAN.   There must have been droves of Goats or former CIA looking for work during a changeover
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« Reply #9402 on: March 15, 2010, 12:59:02 PM »

Knoxharrington,

Not looking.  Have it.  On a temporary basis. From a book and film afficionado working his way up or out of where ever; but, doing it with a name even more British than your own. Anglo-Irish, I think. Sent over, Avatar but I couldn't watch it.  I may hate Cameron for his metaphoric fairy-tales, after this.  I was willing to put up with his Titanic as relatively  sociological and social conscious, if he was willing to hire little old lady actresses.  I think he'd best just get used to wives.
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« Reply #9403 on: March 15, 2010, 02:59:50 PM »

Good news for barton (and others)......Winslet and Mendes Separate
Beware the Ides of March indeed.
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« Reply #9404 on: March 15, 2010, 03:19:18 PM »

And, barton, if Alexander Payne still shoots in your 'hood, keep an eye out for these people.  (from Gawker)

Alexander Payne, one of our all-time favorite directors, is making a movie called The Descendants with George Clooney that has just added some new cast members. Joining Salt 'n Pepa in the flick will be perky-sad stalwart Judy Greer, non-Oscar winning Beau Bridges, the rumpled Robert Forster, and, strangely, Matthew Lillard. Yes, the villain from Scream who is not Skeet Ulrich. (Spoiler alert?) Oh he was also in Without a Paddle, that Noel Coward comedy of manners starring Seth Green and Dax Shepard. Pretty sure this is a promotion. [Variety]

I'd be there for Beau Bridges and Robert Forster alone, never mind the others.
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