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« Reply #9345 on: March 08, 2010, 02:56:01 PM »

Quick show of hands, Academy members:  how many people saw Mirren in The Last Station?  How many had heard of the film before the awards ceremony?

I could snipe like this all day, so I'm going to quit right now.  I wonder if the The Class was snubbed, Knox, because of a technicality??  It showed in US theaters in 2009, but had a release date in France in fall of 2008.  An amazing film.  Kind of sickening to see it so ignored.


Because the Best Foreign Language films are put up by countries, and each country is limited to one movie.  A Prophet being France's this year.


I wonder where the heck that I could see A Prophet around here? We have a teen-age-mentality movie theater getting all the business(I'd say that suits the content  of what this movie is about because Middle Eastern Muslims have been the "foot soldiers" by choice of American mafia since at least the 1980s but I hadn't been around that neighborhood(Italian) in at least a decade so who knows when they started recruiting.
    Somewhat different in France where Corsicans have been the bane of life in the South just as long and longer.)

One other option is try the local academic scene (not much of that) where there is a private entrepreneur's film house that is the pits physically but will check the billing in the Sunday News in hopes of seeing this unless HBO buys it?(it is showing a lot of junk on tv this week anyway)...

I haven't even checked recently to see if we still have an outlet for dvd's that remains open in this community. Seems to me the entire area has reverted to an economy  in which it was when I arrived.  It's time for me to " get back, to where you once belonged" or something along those lines.

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« Reply #9346 on: March 09, 2010, 12:53:13 AM »

Streep was terrible in "Julia," it was such a broad charicature that I thought she was channelling Dan Ackeroyd (sp), seriously I was so shocked out how out-sized her perf was that I thought it was Razzie and not Oscar work.  



Obviously, you never watched The French Chef!  Julia Child was an "out-sized" person to begin with and I thought Streep had fun with her character without diminishing the person.  Too bad the Julie side of things didn't measure up.
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« Reply #9347 on: March 09, 2010, 04:54:46 AM »

I think one of the fatal flaws in contemporary "acting" is the attempt at "naturalism."  I guess when you essentially pull actors off the street and thrust them in front of the camera, you shouldn't expect too much from them.  Whatever acting lessons they have had are "workshops" which are a dime a dozen in LA and New York.  An actor is lucky, as is the case with Di Caprio, when he gets a chance to work with Scorsese and share the set with actors like Daniel Day-Lewis and Jack Nicholson.  Seems Leo has picked up a few things over the years.  But, in most cases these (relatively) young actors are nothing more than personalities, or at best character actors, and that seems to be the way Hollywood wants them, a reversion to the infamous "stables," except with agents who can negotiate better deals these days. Performances are generally so flat, with little theatricality, much less presence, that in most cases they leave me stone cold.

Even worse are pop and hip-hop performers turned actors.  Another reason not to watch Precious is Mariah Carey's dowdy social worker.  For all the initial talk of her "transformation," interesting to see that she got absolutely no mention come Oscar time.

In many cases, actors' siblings and kids aren't much better.
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« Reply #9348 on: March 09, 2010, 07:25:43 AM »

For Alice fans, an interesting interpretation of the relationship between Lewis Carroll and Alice Liddell,



http://www.theauteurs.com/films/22894

with Ian Holm as Lewis Carroll.  Here is the trailer.
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« Reply #9349 on: March 09, 2010, 10:04:46 AM »

Maddie,

You seem to miss the point, this 82nd or whatever Oscar Presentation of the Academy is 1) an advertisement in living color and sound so that you and the rest of the public will rush to these movies this weekend/those that you have not yet seen, so that money is made.



Dear, no one missed that point.  No one has ever missed that point.

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« Reply #9350 on: March 09, 2010, 04:10:35 PM »

So, just give Streep a lifetime achievement award and be done with it rather than nominating her time and again.  There is no way anyone can tell me Bullock was better in Blind Side than Streep was in Julia, but then Kidman got nominated over Streep in Hours, and she wasn't even the main figure in the story, much less the best actress in the movie.  The "Best Actress" award has become one of the most perverted in the last 10 or so years, with some highly dubious choices.

Awards for art is a concept that doesn't work.

Period.

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« Reply #9351 on: March 09, 2010, 09:53:05 PM »

MrUtley,

Don't forget that other Di Caprio chance to share the set with another actor, Christopher Walken; almost like father and son  Smiley
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« Reply #9352 on: March 09, 2010, 10:07:36 PM »

So, just give Streep a lifetime achievement award and be done with it rather than nominating her time and again.  There is no way anyone can tell me Bullock was better in Blind Side than Streep was in Julia, but then Kidman got nominated over Streep in Hours, and she wasn't even the main figure in the story, much less the best actress in the movie.  The "Best Actress" award has become one of the most perverted in the last 10 or so years, with some highly dubious choices.


Somehow, this didn't sink in the first time that I read it.  I read it but then when MrUtley quoted it, I took it another way and I agree that Bullock may have an easier assignment in The Blind Side than what Streep made look like a lark because I would be willing to bet that she had many time considered what fun it would be to have a go at performing Julia Child.

Yet, I also have to consider that The Blind Side had an ideological element as it appeared to have in the way it was advertised in the trailers.  The emphasis was on "do the right thing".  At this point, we don't know what Sandra Bullock thought  of the script and theme before  the filming, but we do know her remarks in regard to the film post-acceptance ceremony of the Awards.

but then Kidman got nominated over Streep in Hours, and she wasn't even the main figure in the story, much less the best actress in the movie.

And now it gets more complicated, believe me; and this was the part that I didn't automatically respond to because....
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0274558/fullcredits#cast  The Hours, borrows and I don't know whether that was because of Stephen Daldry, director --or,
Michael Cunningham, writer; but, seemingly, both  Eileen Atkins (the florist in the flower shop when Streep is having the party) but also the adapting writer when  Vanessa Redgrave requested that her friend (fellow actress,best seen in:
Gosford Park) adapt MRS. DALLOWAY, for Vanessa to perform. This is a novel by Virgina Woolf in which a veteran of WW1  also jumps/ lets go from a window and how that affects Mrs. Dalloway who is having a party at which there is an old lover of hers and another of their male friends.   You see, I have talked about this before in Fiction at nytimes,com and,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119723/
may be the only novel by Virginia that I really like: for what it covers about the nature of humanity.

But then, when we went to see The Hours, most of us didn't know the back-story; we knew Michael Cunningham's version which he said he wrote in honor of Virginia Woolf.  I thought that kind of balderdash. Was certainly not knocked out by Kidman and the prosthetic nose. Her angst was about right from everything I've read by Virginia's various friends and "relatives"; and she did particularly well with her scene involving her niece,her very moderne and painterly sister's child Angelica Bell who would later become Angelica Garnett.  Aunt Virginia, and the child have a tiny burial for a bird under a tree. I think the bird may have been a robin but the importance is that Virginia was once a child like Angelica.

In a way, Michael Cunningham's/Stephen Daldry's,The Hours also deals with that aspect,"once a child", with several but noticeably it begins strongly with the child who became Ed Harris,war veteran.  And consider how often does a little boy have a mother like Julianne Moore(?) who proves to have suicidal depression and yet survives whereas he does not.

Nor does Virginia played by Kidman.  Who exactly was  Meryl Streep but a character from a novel of Virginia Woolf who ended up in a novelette by Michael Cunningham which became a movie.

This is confusing enough when trying to trace the origins which really amounts to the depression of Virginia Woolf (and not to HIV and AIDs); and for that you have to do some fancy footwork through the annals of "feminism" to discover what really was that depression about.

I did that and then mentally remarked to myself, "Oh, right...." But then I'm the kind of person who really enjoyed the performance of Stephen Dillane as Leonard Woolf and having seen him work again with Julianne Moore appreciate his acting even more.  So I tend to forget Nicole Kidman letting herself get involved with this; and I at times nearly forget that Streep was and why exactly compared to how easily Vanessa Redgrave dealt with threesomes. But then it may have obviously run in the family which seemed disposed to continue admitting that there was that. At least as much as with Virginia Woolf's family having dramas.
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« Reply #9353 on: March 10, 2010, 02:31:46 AM »

It is not very confusing as Streep's character, Clarissa Vaughan, was the main character in the movie.  I haven't read the novel, so I don't know how Cunningham intended it, but this is how it ended up on screen.  At best, Kidman's nomination should have been for best supporting actress, but then she was nowhere near as good as Julianne Moore as the 1950-era Laura Brown.  It appeared to be one of those fore-ordained Oscars like the one Paltrow got a few years before for Shakespeare in Love.  I don't think Streep was nominated at all.
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« Reply #9354 on: March 10, 2010, 03:08:39 AM »

Annie Liebovitz takes her turn at Alice,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMyNgLENO6I&feature=related
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« Reply #9355 on: March 10, 2010, 12:15:04 PM »

Where do you find this stuff, Gint?  (rhetorical question)  Cool photos.

Anyone remember the 1988 adaptation of the Dean Koontz novel, "Watchers" -- the actor who played Travis, who found the genetically engineered super-dog, just died -- Corey Haim.

The obit reads like it was assembled from child/teen star cliches -- meteoric rise as a teen star, then rapid plunge....lots of drugs, booze, weight gain, etc.  Only 38 years old.   
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« Reply #9356 on: March 10, 2010, 12:19:38 PM »

It is not very confusing as Streep's character, Clarissa Vaughan, was the main character in the movie.  I haven't read the novel, so I don't know how Cunningham intended it, but this is how it ended up on screen.  At best, Kidman's nomination should have been for best supporting actress, but then she was nowhere near as good as Julianne Moore as the 1950-era Laura Brown.  It appeared to be one of those fore-ordained Oscars like the one Paltrow got a few years before for Shakespeare in Love.  I don't think Streep was nominated at all.


All that I know is that my favorite scene(as in almost every film that she does), by someone who might be my favorite actress, is Miranda Richardson opposite Nicole Kidman when Virginia Woolf's sister Vanessa Bell,the painter, comes to call (with her three children) on her "crazy sister".

Vanessa in these pre-WW2 years(perhaps I had better describe it as post-WW1 because her favorite guests were conscientious objectors who opted out of WW1; and I only mention it that  Kidman's bearing upon this movie would have to end with the scene of going wading into the water with her pockets weighted down with rocks before Hitler's invasion of the suburb where she lives outside London and which was his stated British invasion plan off the channel Coast.),well Vanessa, as you can visibly see, is very Hip, if you recall the clothes that she is wearing compared to the dowdy wardrobe Nicole Kidman gets outside of maybe a hat and requisite chain of beads as jewelry when taking her errant trip to London by catching the local commutter train.

Besides the very perceptive daughter, Angelica,Vanessa's youngest, she has brought her two boys,Quentin and Julian Bell.

They perhaps are not as active later, in their literary contributions on Woolf, as the Nicolson boys, Harold and Nigel but, the continual pairing is intentional.

 http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/n/nicolson-woolf.html?_r=2

Read at your leisure as family history is always complex. I apparently missed this book by a few years as I'd already moved to Lancaster, and had done all my Bloomsbury studies while at Princeton. Books were not then as readily available in Lancaster as they are today.
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« Reply #9357 on: March 10, 2010, 12:19:53 PM »

... the actor who played Travis, who found the genetically engineered super-dog, just died -- Corey Haim.

The obit reads like it was assembled from child/teen star cliches -- meteoric rise as a teen star, then rapid plunge....lots of drugs, booze, weight gain, etc.  Only 38 years old.   

At the risk of sounding or being callous, I really thought Corey Feldman would have gone first.   My favorite (I only think there's one, for me) Corey Haim movie is Lost Boys.  He had a dog in that flick, too -- Nanook the beautiful husky.
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« Reply #9358 on: March 10, 2010, 12:27:24 PM »

I've heard the dog is dead, too.  And has its head sitting in a freezer next to Ted Williams.  Ironic, huh? (it being a Huskie)

I don't remember seeing Lost Boys.  Watchers was a suckfest which reduced a fairly good novel (written back before Koontz had become a brand name and megabusiness with assets larger than most EU countries) to maudlin junk.

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« Reply #9359 on: March 10, 2010, 12:35:46 PM »

Annie Liebovitz takes her turn at Alice,



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMyNgLENO6I&feature=related

Great photos!  Love the first shot in black and white, and the sense of world-weariness over the whole, leading to the escape shot at the end.   

Had to laugh at the idea of Tweedle-Dum and Tweedle-Dee as hipsters.

 
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