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« Reply #4245 on: May 25, 2008, 01:32:57 AM »

Accountants who play golf aren't as much fun as marginal types with anger that can't be contained normally within your usual structures of power.  Not giving a f**k makes for good drama, not giving a f**k for good or tragic reasons or even misconceptions makes for great drama, if you are not drawn to marginal types, you have no business being an actor, because for you, the accountant is as alien, the architect, the civil engineer, the farmer, as the guy building an arsenal in his basement.  They are are alien, and therefore, the same, so pick the one with a better story, the loner with the gun and the car is probably going to be more fun.
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« Reply #4246 on: May 25, 2008, 10:59:44 AM »

IJ4 at $56M through Friday.
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« Reply #4247 on: May 25, 2008, 12:06:50 PM »

jbottle, re: Sean Penn's examinations of " marginal type".


"the loner with the gun and the car ": This time it was more like a gun and an airliner from Baltimore headed for the Nixon White House, so it was difficult to say which one , agonist or antagonist, was more of a loner?

I do, however, get your point from a theatrical/dramatic perspective of what is life for? And do hope you will be watching "Recount" tonight !

This all does remind me why I didn't care much about taking a plane anywhere after about 1969 until the next dangerous millenium.

Mostly, I just think that Sean Penn has once again shown us why Luee is not always right about only the mangods of his world having plans of this kind.
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« Reply #4248 on: May 25, 2008, 01:48:37 PM »

"...And, uh...it's Bunny Lebowski.)"

You say tomay-to, I say tomah-to.

Actually, that is weird that I would misremember Bunny as "Bonnie."   Talk about impaired.  Her whole character is tied up with her name and its connotations.

 
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« Reply #4249 on: May 25, 2008, 04:34:03 PM »

There's also the bad joke of "a rabbit's foot," with Bunny's toe along with a ransom note.
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« Reply #4250 on: May 26, 2008, 12:32:55 PM »

thenumbers.com has projected a $151M total which looks about right with IMDB saying 126 through Sun.

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« Reply #4251 on: May 26, 2008, 12:37:00 PM »

Harrie:  Your $153 number looks to be right on the money and may be the actual number by Tuesday Afternoon, besting your husband who was about as low as I was high, unless he takes the position that he wasn't counting Mon., weak though it may be.  I was way too high at 188 hoping for a new high water mark, and the guru who said 165 was also above the actual number, which was a good one for everybody involved. 
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« Reply #4252 on: May 26, 2008, 10:06:08 PM »

There's also the bad joke of "a rabbit's foot," with Bunny's toe along with a ransom note.

There's also her license plate:  LAPIN
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« Reply #4253 on: May 26, 2008, 11:20:52 PM »

Yeah, which you could take as "an LA pin," i.e., "score," and then you have the bowling pin, as if she is just another "pin" to knock down in LA, and then you have the car as an "LA pin," like, I got this Mercedes as my "LA pin," bitches, and then you have "LA pin[-up]," which is what the porn star would equivilate to against the old noir LA pin-up girl in a one-piece "swimming costume."

I don't know that there are all those reverberations there, but none of the irony would occur to the average denizen of LA, which may be the joke, or Lebowski, who simply wants his rug back.

It's almost like the Coen's "ExistenZ," if you know what I mean, like how can we  bite that hand that feeds me so badly, and so what??

I finally saw NCFOM last night, and need to see it again, but I was laughing at Moss pulling himself out from underneath a truck, same shot High, same shot baby, from RA, I liked it, but it also seemed like a bad dream, which I've never thought of the CB's messing with before, it seems like a teenager who never got over punching cows, and being a cop, and dreaming, with water and dogs, I don't think I'm right but I think you could look at the movie as the bad dream of a cop fantasizing that reality might be less fantastic than his dream, and the security and regret that lie on either side of that fence, if dreams have anything to do with anything...

I've only seen it once.
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« Reply #4254 on: May 27, 2008, 08:36:13 AM »

Yeah, which you could take as "an LA pin," i.e., "score," and then you have the bowling pin, as if she is just another "pin" to knock down in LA, and then you have the car as an "LA pin," like, I got this Mercedes as my "LA pin," bitches, and then you have "LA pin[-up]," which is what the porn star would equivilate to against the old noir LA pin-up girl in a one-piece "swimming costume."


Nice!!  "Lapin" is french for "rabbit", so there's that, and it's also a term used to describe inexpensive fur that resembles expensive fur, i.e., a fur that someone might wear if they wanted to appear wealthier than they actually are, like the goldbricker titular character in "TBL".  But the "LA pin" also works in that it's a bowling movie and the setting "LA" is so integral to the movie's theme of "I don't wanna say a 'hero', because what's a 'hero'?  But sometimes there's man... sometimes there's a man... well, he's the man for his time and place. He fits right in there... and that's the Dude... in Los Angeles..."

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« Reply #4255 on: May 27, 2008, 08:37:46 AM »

I finally saw NCFOM last night, and need to see it again, but I was laughing at Moss pulling himself out from underneath a truck, same shot High, same shot baby, from RA...

Very nice!!  The Moss-to-Hi and AntonChigurh-to-LeonardSmalls comparisons are good ones.
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« Reply #4256 on: May 27, 2008, 09:59:31 AM »

Harrie, glad I spent time  this season analyzing variations in Pollack.
Sydney Pollack has died.
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« Reply #4257 on: May 27, 2008, 10:44:41 AM »

Cool parallels in NCfOM and RA. 

RIP Sidney Pollack -- I was remembering him as a fine actor in Tootsie ("you're a tomato!  you don't have logic!"), the Ninth Gate or whatever it was called (the Depp/bookworm film -- a Polanski film, IIRC), Michael Clayton, Eyes Wide Shut, et al.  Every bit as good in front of the lens as behind, IMO.

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« Reply #4258 on: May 27, 2008, 11:39:27 AM »

Very funny in I think "Hannah and Her Sisters" as the buddy with the trophy wife, may have been "Crimes and Misdemeanors..."

I wasn't that fond of a lot of the movies he directed, but he could definitely be a funny presence on screen.  Now that I say that I'm sure I'll find some movies of his that I liked, seemed like he was perfectly healthy and one of those guys that would live to be 95 still telling movie stories.  That's too bad.
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« Reply #4259 on: May 27, 2008, 12:06:22 PM »

I liked "Three Days of the Condor," probably the most conventional and star-driven of the "Nixon Paranoia" movies that include not only "All the President's Men," "The Parallax View," "Blow Out," possibly even "Marathon Man," and others that I'm not thinking of...but making conventional entertainment isn't anything to deride Sydney Pollack for, I guess, when he self-deprecatingly referred to himself as "Mr. Mainstream." 

Movies like "The Electric Horseman" or "The Firm" or "Out of Africa" are the type studio fare that came out of that '80's studio model that made more experimental or interesting filmmaking necessarily erupt in spite of it, so while you can't blame Pollack, he was part of a time in Hollywood that was making some pretty fluffy entertainment, which is not bad when it's "Tootsie," which against all odds works as a funny comedy instead of the most embarrassing thing that Dustin Hoffman ever appeared in...in many ways those kinds of films begat the thing that is Robin Williams career for ten years...but anyway....

3DOTC remains a solid entertainment and the kind of thriller that I like when I imagine that there may be rogue government agencies doing black ops and a secret room that records the phone calls of every American, you know, truly paranoid fantasies like that, secret prisons where torture is conducted, you know, that scary Big Brother era that 3DOTC and movies of that era were warning us about. 

I guess I almost like the relative naivte of those films, because now we walk into the theater knowing of our government's abuse of privacy and human rights is way out of control, rather than that idea being introduced and a shiver running down your spine during a political thriller from that era.

Evidently he was diagnosed with some type of cancer about nine months ago so it must've been one of the bad ones.  At least Pollack didn't become a dentist as his father had urged according to Wikipedia, and entertained millions instead, including me on a number of occasions, and of course I have nothing but respect for anybody that can make a bad movie, and an enormous amount of respect for anyone who can competently put together the mainstream entertainment Pollack made look easy, which it ain't.
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