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« Reply #255 on: May 30, 2007, 10:12:57 AM »

Whiskey, I take it you are a Greta Scacchi fan.  The Coca-Cola Kid was the first movie I saw her in, and I was pleasantly surprised.
"Pleasantly surprised" is an understatement for what I felt when I saw the Santa Claus scene.  That's impressive... er, acting....
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« Reply #256 on: May 30, 2007, 10:15:34 AM »

Well, you know there is only so much you can say in polite society.  Speaking of which, I noticed she first appeared in Heat and Dust,

http://www.amazon.com/Heat-Dust-Autobiography-Princess-Collection/dp/B0000AQS6H/ref=sr_1_35/002-9042347-4177625?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1180534319&sr=1-35

and judging by the winsome image on the cover, she seems to have some sensual scenes in this movie as well.
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« Reply #257 on: May 30, 2007, 10:51:22 AM »

Greta is remarkable...
Her work in "White Mischief" definitely worth the time, although (still) not available in USA DVD format. Why not, I'd like to know.
She's also a major player with Tim Robbins in "The Player".
Julie Christie is also in "Heat and Dust" which brings to mind her nude scene with Donald Sutherland  (also nude) in "Don't Look Now", really long scene, well done and story appropriate.
 
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« Reply #258 on: May 30, 2007, 11:01:42 AM »

I wouldn't exactly say she is remarkable, but she is certainly attractive to watch.  I too am surprised White Mischief hasn't been made available in NTSC format.  As for The Player, I thought hers to be a minor but fetching role.  Cynthia Stephenson had a much stronger role, even if she didn't quite measure up in Paul Newman's mind.
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« Reply #259 on: May 30, 2007, 11:10:38 AM »

You guys beat me to it, I thought you must have seen her play Diana Broughton opposite everybody.  I had forgotten about Heat and Dust, which would, followed by Kenya, incline you to consider her British Colonial hot topics. Then this continued in a little something Russian relocated to Australia with Scacchi playing opposite Sam Neil; probably Chekov. I already knew you liked Jefferson in Paris.

But my all time favorite has got to be White Mischief, it is very haunting;and my idea is that it should always be shown on a doublebill with Remains of the Day just so we've covered everybody, class by class, or when you don't know that you are getting a rise in class that is not worth it, followed by how to get a rise in your class status when you are not worth it.

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« Reply #260 on: May 30, 2007, 01:03:40 PM »

White Mischief:  I recall there was an art scene with the older husband looking through a peephole at his younger bride taking a bath; it was basically the same concept as the shower scene from Porky's except in my opinion the mis en scene and pervascent cultural malaise and decadence made it art when Scacci showed her cans in that one.  "Porky's" on the other hand qualifies as art through the tender coming of age during the 1950's.
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« Reply #261 on: May 30, 2007, 02:06:03 PM »

bottle:
That scene is not her husband peeping but their "ever-so gentlemanly" host enjoying the bath moment...
Creepy.  I've always looked upon unusual wallpaper, wall treatments, mirrors, etc., etc. with suspicion ever since seeing that particular movie when enjoying a "stay"  away!

Off topic re:movies...
Wasn't Chuck Berry found to be doing something weird like that some time ago?
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« Reply #262 on: May 30, 2007, 07:32:33 PM »

So, sounds like this is for artistic movie discussion rather than popular/commercial films?
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« Reply #263 on: May 30, 2007, 08:51:06 PM »

Only art, pretty much, especially where there is nudity in art like in some of the French films that showed us that it didn't have to be smut just because you see cans, that there could be a legitimate emotional reason for those cans being onscreen, like Sylvia Kristel taking over homeschooling, etc., I think the last Century was a healthy evolution toward an acceptance that filmed female forms are mostly art, where there is context, even if only pizza delivery, and through the fits and starts such as the French New Wave and the AMERICAN TEEN COMEDIES OF THE 1980's, there has been evolution, devolution, hot tubs, psycho-slasher cheerleader fits and starts, but all in all, I think it points to a healthy rise toward the goal of art over gratuitious boob-shots and facile porn scenarios.  The fact is that teenage males deliver pizzas to frustrated females who have often already gotten the kids to bed and whose husband is out of town on another sales trip where we cut to booze and strippers:  That's reality.  I'm glad that as a society we are able in life to see it reflected in art, and I will never apologize for filmed nudity where there is a reasonable character arc, some say the French gave us a very large bronze terror target and then turned into complete assholes, I take a position quite contrary.  With the help of Italy and other Western Civilizations, we were able to slowly absorb the idea of art and nudity coexisting with few problems, and while I could glibly say "Thank you for the fried potato strings, jergoff..." I take a more nuanced position:  Thanks for the blueprint to the teen sex comedy, jergoff.
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« Reply #264 on: May 30, 2007, 11:56:39 PM »

The American drama generally equates sex with violence.  Horror films especially.  You know that where there is sex heads will roll, which leads me to conclude that horror tales are essentially religious moral tales - it is a sin to have sex.  I prefer the peurile teen flicks because sex is treated more casually.  Most of us enjoy a little peak, whether it is leaving a comuter camera on in American Pie or looking through a peep hole in Porky's, there is a vicarious thrill and no harm is done.  But, where things seem to really go astray is in melodrama, where sex generally has a way of turning violent, not quite as nasty as in horror movies, but the woman usually gets punished for revealing too much of herself too soon, unless of course you have femme fatales like Sharon Stone or Rebecca Romijn, then the guy usually gets it.
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« Reply #265 on: May 31, 2007, 08:38:52 AM »

Contemporary foreign films tend to successfully portray a more humanistic theme, small, intimate but enlightened stories.  Many done with the one held camera technique...what is that term?
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« Reply #266 on: May 31, 2007, 08:56:54 AM »

"Cinema verite"... or at least that's what I think I remember reading one time in Cinema, Not Cinema.

As to "humanistic," in his review of the wayyyy-underrated "Mouse Hunt" (about two brothers who aspire to renovate and sell an inherited old mansion and are tormented by the mouse they find residing in its walls) in TheOnion.com, Rabes writes: "It's hardly a masterpiece, of course, and much of the slapstick quickly grows tiresome, but at its best, Mouse Hunt's baroque, Dickensian universe recalls Nicholas Roeg's terrific, underrated, and similarly mouse-centric Roald Dahl adaptation 'The Witches'.  And for a movie in the notoriously sadistic kiddie-slapstick genre, it's surprisingly humanistic, refusing to villainize either the brothers or the spunky little mouse."






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« Reply #267 on: May 31, 2007, 09:01:10 AM »

If we are still on the subject of sex, yes it does seem that non-American films have a way of more naturally exploring the subject without all the violent overtones.  I think of the wonderful Eric Rohmer movies.
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« Reply #268 on: May 31, 2007, 09:45:06 AM »

                                     MAUDE
                         Do you like sex, Mr. Lebowski?

                                     DUDE
                         Excuse me?

                                     MAUDE
                         Sex.  The physical act of love. 
                         Coitus.  Do you like it?

                                     DUDE
                         I was talking about my rug.

                                     MAUDE
                         You're not interested in sex?

                                     DUDE
                         You mean coitus?

                                     MAUDE
                         I like it too.  It's a male myth
                         about feminists that we hate sex. 
                         It can be a natural, zesty enterprise.
                         However there are some people--
                         it is called satyriasis in men,
                         nymphomania in women--who engage
                         in it compulsively and without joy.

                                     DUDE
                         Oh, no.

                                     MAUDE
                         Oh, yes, Mr. Lebowski - these unfortunate
                         souls cannot love in the true sense
                         of the word.  Our mutual acquaintance
                         Bunny is one of these.
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« Reply #269 on: May 31, 2007, 10:14:59 AM »

For those fond of Scacchi flesh (artist's model variety), Olivier acting, and writing by John Fowles & John Mortimer, there's always this (it says for TV, but maybe it can be found somewhere) http://imdb.com/title/tt0087190/



I recall both the film, and really short discussion on Fowles (The Ebony Tower, being one of his least known books among his American readers.)in nytimes. fiction forum (in which the other participant was "red..." from the former African-American Literature forum who was later known as "blue..." and was quite interested in Fowles connection to specific French writers who changed the novel at that time. They were often intimately connected to film that people claimed not to understand or found tedious. At any rate,Fowles made a sort of sabbatical, at this point in his life, into France and, thus,The Ebony Tower, came into being among other things. 

If you check out the other credits on screen-writer, Mortimer,you'll recall a lot of Rumpole of the Bailey;there's one mention of John Thaw, at Oxford, as the music loving detective,Inspector Morse.

Which leads me to The Red Violin. I'm afraid Samuel L. Jackson ruined that one for me, which was a total surprise. As an actor, he should have known better. Perhaps, if I patiently view it again, I could overcome my distaste for the experience.
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