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« Reply #105 on: June 11, 2007, 03:43:05 PM »

Art?  Last thing I saw on television that even resembled art was Carnivale.  It's television....

Don't stop believing....when a television show becomes self-referential, it's a sure bet the writers have long since stopped taking their job seriously. 

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« Reply #106 on: June 11, 2007, 03:44:02 PM »

Once again we fall for the big idea that everything that ends must make sense to us all---and why is that, when life itself makes so little sense to most everyone?


I'm more miffed about the "Pine Barrens" episode than I am the finale.  How do you just drop the whole Russian mafia story-line and not ever address it ever again?  What happened to that big crazy Russian


Sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar.

I always thought that was a filler episode anyway.
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« Reply #107 on: June 11, 2007, 03:45:16 PM »


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« Reply #108 on: June 11, 2007, 03:45:26 PM »

Life doesn't come with neat endings....yeah, but this isn't life, it's television.  No wonder the cast kept their traps shut about the ending.  Most of em probably would like to forget they were part of the con. 

Perhaps they should have paid their writers more...then they would have been willing to actually write an ending to the series.  They could have at least taken a page from the writers of Newhart

I give it  Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh

Well, no, it's not television---and that's what made the show successful all along--because it wasn't the usual predictable fare. And it stayed that way all the way through.

Toss your cynicism aside---you and others were disappointed because you never really understood the show in the first place.

I give it a  Wink Wink Wink Wink  Grin
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« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2007, 03:49:16 PM »

Utley...I understood the show perfectly.  I had no expectations of it other than entertainment...and it was entertainment. 

And I did enjoy the self-referential fade to black..and the "what did my TV die?"  as if the end of the Sopranos equates with the end of television as we know it.....Today is truly a black day.
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« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2007, 03:59:18 PM »


I always thought that was a filler episode anyway.

Really?  I always thought the "Pine Barrens" episode was seminal, vis a vis Cristufuh's relationship with Paulie, Tony's doubts about Paulie's competence, etc.

It's probably my favorite or 2nd-favorite (the other being "University") episode, BHWDIK?
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« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2007, 04:15:55 PM »

But, even the Pine Barrens had an aura of camp about it.  Where to dump the body, Valery chewing through the carpet and getting re-hit, Tony's girl trouble, the sharing of the catsup in a beat up van...  If not, why no resolution?

The series started out as a joke....a guy walks into a psychiatrists office....  As the series progressed, Tony's character became progressively darker, and Antony Jr. became the joke.
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« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2007, 04:24:51 PM »

But, even the Pine Barrens had an aura of camp about it. 

Without some camp, it wouldn't really be a "The Sopranos".  Look no further than the great exchange, after Paulie learns from Tony (on a bad cell phone connection) that the crazy Russian is actually a former A-team commando who worked for the Ministry of the Interior and killed 8 Chechnyans by himself:

PAULIE
He says this guy killed 18 Czechlozovakians... and he's an interior decorator!

CRISTUFUH (confused)
Jesus.  His apartment looked like shit...



Now that's some good "Sopranos" stuff, and most definitely camp...
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« Reply #113 on: June 11, 2007, 04:26:48 PM »

Anthony Jr seems to have been having a turnaround in his life.  The writers took him from despair to hookin up with hottie rather quickly. 
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« Reply #114 on: June 11, 2007, 04:30:19 PM »

I find it interesting that Tony felt like he had to get rid of Christopher ... his protege.. who had gone into the movie biz... and now here he is with his son, encouraging him to go into the movie biz.

Its like in some odd way, Tony was redeeming Christopher's career choices through his own son.  Giving AJ the life Christopher would have wanted.

While for himself, he keeps his son out of the family business where he had to off his adopted son who had strayed too far.
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« Reply #115 on: June 11, 2007, 04:42:46 PM »

But, even the Pine Barrens had an aura of camp about it.  Where to dump the body, Valery chewing through the carpet and getting re-hit, Tony's girl trouble, the sharing of the catsup in a beat up van...  If not, why no resolution?

The series started out as a joke....a guy walks into a psychiatrists office....  As the series progressed, Tony's character became progressively darker, and Antony Jr. became the joke.

You are truly a moron
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« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2007, 04:46:50 PM »

Kid...I suspect you have issues with your own lack of intelligence...maybe if you start reading you can get it up to your age.





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« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2007, 04:48:39 PM »

The Sopranos was nothing is not high camp....and some of its high points were the blatant send ups of "family values!"   

I'd rate that  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2007, 04:48:51 PM »

You are truly a moron

That would be me....
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« Reply #119 on: June 11, 2007, 04:51:31 PM »

Anthony Jr seems to have been having a turnaround in his life.  The writers took him from despair to hookin up with hottie rather quickly. 

LOL
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