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« Reply #435 on: August 16, 2007, 11:52:36 PM »

I saw "Sarah Silverman" say "watch my show or I will kill this dog...," and the only other pop-reference to a similar saying is porn, wherein Tony Tedeshi says at one point during I'm guessing 1997 on the Spice Channel:  "Watch this movie or I'm going to kill this cat..."

Am I missing the pop-culture link or is the phraseology too common?  If not, it's possible that Sarah Silverman is making an obscure Spice reference to pimp her new Comedy Central season, if so, congrats, and not traumatized, but I feel like, hey man, you don't remember in "Sunset Boulevard"....

...or something, but then I realize I've seen almost everything they would have seen, and then I'm thinking, we're talking about Deshmo, who for a skinny guy was able to turn the ability of non-EDS into an 8-ball, no prob, but then I'm thinking that the thing that the three of us have in common is not an obscure pop-culture reference that I don't know about, but the one that I do...fucking "Spice," we got it for free when we supposedly had the alien box that came into our house.  No, we had friends that had those boxes, I was always "too chicken."  (Smiley)))
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« Reply #436 on: August 16, 2007, 11:56:33 PM »

I hate that smiley face, by the way, I can talk about my emotions without a yellow person, I mean who isn't yellow, look at the audience, guy still has MOO GOO GUYPAN on his tie wants to tell me about yellow people, but I kid the...
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« Reply #437 on: August 17, 2007, 10:50:29 AM »

Apparently it was not ep three but four, at least.

I'm falling out of like with this show already... It is less and less about the advertising game and less and less about the times and more and more about plot twists within the lives of the characters.

I guess I don't like the layering of issues on the characters. Sometimes arcs die in real life and they don't become part of an ever more complex whole. An example being the secretary who overhears Don's beat artist chick enticing him over the phone and now it's part of the drama... Ok, I guess it can be seen as indicative of the mores of the times, but, then there is a reason I stopped being interested in The Andy Griffith Show, at some point, old morays should have been eaten by the new morays, that's life in the reef.

The way the show progresses indicates that there was a time right before this time when everything was going smooth and then for some reason everything changed. Ok, that is supposed to be at least part of the premise, that the introduction of the pill and of valium and of Kennedyism all interacted to produce the sexual revolution, women's liberation, equal rights and the entire later generation grocery list of social upheavals, and how that impacted those that had just come into their own quo with which to claim status.

I like the premise, I just am starting to dislike the execution of it.
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« Reply #438 on: August 17, 2007, 11:00:32 AM »

I saw "Sarah Silverman" say "watch my show or I will kill this dog...," and the only other pop-reference to a similar saying is porn, wherein Tony Tedeshi says at one point during I'm guessing 1997 on the Spice Channel:  "Watch this movie or I'm going to kill this cat..."

Am I missing the pop-culture link or is the phraseology too common?  If not, it's possible that Sarah Silverman is making an obscure Spice reference to pimp her new Comedy Central season, if so, congrats, and not traumatized, but I feel like, hey man, you don't remember in "Sunset Boulevard"....


The phraseology is too common. I semirecall some rock album doing the same thing back in the 60s70s. It was old and established back when Cleavon Little Pointed the gun to his own neck in Blazing Saddles. Was Sarah using her own dog as the victim of her threat?

If she's going judge by me, that dog is a gonner! As that dog of a show ought to be. And Sarah too, just what we need a Jewish Garafallo who's twice as annoying and half as funny while trying to milk the same teet of sardonica. Uck, not for me thanks. She is to stand up comedy what rap is to funk.
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« Reply #439 on: August 17, 2007, 12:58:25 PM »

This is from 1973.

I knew it was something, then I thought Mad Magazine, then I thought again!

Sarah Silverman is a hack!
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« Reply #440 on: August 17, 2007, 01:04:50 PM »

I liked her telling of the Aristocrat.
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« Reply #441 on: August 17, 2007, 01:16:29 PM »

Never heard it, is it youtubed?

Meanwhile, The Aristocrats is always funnier for the teller than it is for the listener.

It's really not that funny as a joke only as an exercise in knowing where the top is and then going over it.

Just mho.
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« Reply #442 on: August 17, 2007, 01:19:11 PM »

Never heard it, is it youtubed?

Meanwhile, The Aristocrats is always funnier for the teller than it is for the listener.

It's really not that funny as a joke only as an exercise in knowing where the top is and then going over it.

Just mho.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_rdSKXji0


I like her meta-telling of the joke.  Moreso for the Joe Franklin bit afterwards.
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« Reply #443 on: August 17, 2007, 01:31:14 PM »

Thank you.

I'm going to wash my eyes out with Lifeboytm now!
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« Reply #444 on: August 17, 2007, 04:01:28 PM »

Kam,

do you have any idea what age obertray is or what country he comes from? He is setting himself up as anti-semite and a few other things but he throws a stew of items for which he likes the premise but not the execution. "Garafallo" may not have been as funny as  Mira Sorvino and
Lisa Kudrow do:Romy and Michele's High School Reunion--1997; but,as jbottle knows(as do I) Sarah Silverman does porn jokes, always has, she set me back on my heels the first time that I watched the  IFC cover the Spirit Awards, but that's her generation who were sitting there as film makers and a few oldsters from my age group get included as well because they started making films when they were young and they are necessary to the business. We have all heard L.A's idea of off-color entertainment but what I really hate is the Jay Leno brand of interview which he thinks is funny with Demi Moore where the only part of the entertainment interesting was the music segment since something is out of synch about what comes up on the screen compared to the announcement info you get as to what is playing on that channel at that hour!  Drives me crazy. So why  doesn't obertray know where Sarah Silvernman is at in her routine?
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« Reply #445 on: August 17, 2007, 04:34:01 PM »

I saw "Sarah Silverman" say "watch my show or I will kill this dog...," and the only other pop-reference to a similar saying is porn, wherein Tony Tedeshi says at one point during I'm guessing 1997 on the Spice Channel:  "Watch this movie or I'm going to kill this cat..."

Am I missing the pop-culture link or is the phraseology too common?  If not, it's possible that Sarah Silverman is making an obscure Spice reference to pimp her new Comedy Central season, if so, congrats, and not traumatized, but I feel like, hey man, you don't remember in "Sunset Boulevard"....


The phraseology is too common. I semirecall some rock album doing the same thing back in the 60s70s. It was old and established back when Cleavon Little Pointed the gun to his own neck in Blazing Saddles. Was Sarah using her own dog as the victim of her threat?

If she's going judge by me, that dog is a gonner! As that dog of a show ought to be. And Sarah too, just what we need a Jewish Garafallo who's twice as annoying and half as funny while trying to milk the same teet of sardonica. Uck, not for me thanks. She is to stand up comedy what rap is to funk.

Garafalo's cute.....




..til she opens her yap about politics


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Silverman's a  hack?  Compared to who?

I think she is a pretty good comic actress.  Some may think she should stick to that, but she's certainly making a name for herself.
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« Reply #446 on: August 17, 2007, 04:55:29 PM »

Madupont,

If you have questions about me, why don't you ask me? I'll tell you some of what you want to know and a greater percentage of what you need to know.

I'm closing in on 50. I live in the United States (have done so since birth).

You misunderstood my posit on ober tray (which was written to synch with a post I had made earlier that very day about a handle that I had wanted to use but forgot about when I chose the one I did. The idea was that if I called myself Uber Alles, then I would have Godwinned myself before I even got into any fights (it's my idea of a joke). When you asked me if my name meant "top shelf" then I recognized that Ober could be seen as "uber', which I hadn't thought of earlier.

To say that Sarah Silverman is a Jewish Garafalo is not anti Semitic. Or if it is to you then your Semitic sensitivity meter is set so low that there's no sense in debating it, so you're free to think what you will.

I'm throwing a stew? Maybe you are not aware of the TV show Mad Men. I semi highly recommend it, it's on AMC. At least  I did recommend it and I'm less enchanted by it than I was before.

I reserve the right to not find funny, anyone I don't find funny. I find SS's Comedy Central show to be wretch inducing. It's just not my cuppa (as the until recently young are known to say). Don't like her, don't like the other actors on the show, don't like the pacing or the premise or the idea that she's essentially ripping off Seinfeld's proof that the characters don't have to be likable for the show to be likable.
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« Reply #447 on: August 17, 2007, 06:02:20 PM »

Quite frankly, my complaint is that the whole low level intelligence USB that is United States of Bush has an anti-semitic meter set in high-gear and it hasn't stopped yet.  Let me know when they pull out of Iraq and the television becomes adult (not in the sense you mentioned but for IQ). As I said, I had a school-mate named Oberbreckling so if anything I have a low setting on my Aryan meter. But, Those were the Days, when you only  had two kinds of names on the enrollment list, German, or Irish, no other flavors, as Edith used to say to Archie Bunk-um.
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« Reply #448 on: August 17, 2007, 06:29:16 PM »

Umm ... OK?
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« Reply #449 on: August 20, 2007, 05:03:54 PM »

So Disney Channel has finally beaten Nick at its own game?

Good says I. Why? Because now maybe Nick will raise it's game too. Nothing like a race towards the top as opposed to the race to the bottom that the rest of the nets are in. 

I have noted over the years the talent at Disney (my favorite having been Shia Le Bouf from Even Stevens) and I have noted with somewhat less pleasure, their pushing of lessser talents too. I guess it can't be denied that Disney has always had a knack for graduating child stars to adult. See for examples Annette and Frankie. They got the best years out of Lindsay Lohan (it's unfortunate, in my mind that that girl can't get a decent chauffeur!) although she came up in a different Disney path, and it seems to show. The Brittany Spears thing didn't quite work out the way any of us would have hoped, and Timberlake, well, I don't know if they have a piece of him anymore either.

The corporatism of these products is a little sickening, first you are on a show, then you become a female lead on a show then they trot you out as a singer (maybe there is a bit of girlpower cartoon voiceover work tossed in)  and they'll see if you stick, then they'll do a feature film around you and if it goes in theaters, you're golden, if not they can pretend they just made it for Disney Channel anyway and maybe they'll retool you, if you can still stand it. Problem being that there are other girls right behind you some even shortcutting ala Hannah Montanna, so if you're Lizzy Mc Duff you might start making more headlines about the role your purity than purity of your roles.

My target market daughter was among the 17.2 million (which, when you figure the size of that target has to be a mighty big percentage   300,000,000 x 51% = 153,000,000 divided evenly over 60 years is about 2.5 million per year they say they're looking for the 4-14 age group (ok, boy and girls should be about 25,000,000) to have 17.2MM in a market of 25MM is 68%, that's huge!) She watched after DVRing it.

Nick will hopefully pick it up and start making there own stars and stop depending on Canada to provide dramas for and about drama queens (South of Nowhere, De Grassi and other teen soap operatic stupidity which nick runs for it's "teen Nick" audience.)
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