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nytempsperdu
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« Reply #3165 on: June 10, 2010, 10:15:36 PM »

No. weezo, as I must have said to the point of obnoxiousness, I live in San Francisco.  My subconscious may have been trying to connect the land of HeLa and Hemings.  Perhaps.   
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madupont
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« Reply #3166 on: July 03, 2010, 10:49:28 AM »

http://www.aolnews.com/nation/article/jefferson-made-slip-n-declaration-of-independence/19540941?icid=main|htmlws-main-tarana|dl1|link3|http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aolnews.com%2Fnation%2Farticle%2Fjefferson-made-slip-n-declaration-of-independence%2F19540941
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Westwood
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« Reply #3167 on: July 06, 2010, 10:51:55 AM »

Thanks for posting that, maddy. The Declaration of Independence marked the transistion from arguing colonial rights under English law to claiming inalienable rights as free men. How embarrassing, had the gaffe not been caught. It's amusing how we humans are such creatures of habit. It just goes to show the importance of thorough proofreading.
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nnyhav
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« Reply #3168 on: July 08, 2010, 11:56:19 PM »

Something from the NYTimes (July 12, 1863), on "the only representative of the Central Flowery Kingdom in the Army of the Potomac":
http://hnn.us/blogs/entries/128706.html
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madupont
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« Reply #3169 on: July 09, 2010, 05:51:42 PM »

Thanks, Dave (Muchas Gracias!) for bringing to our attention why the Gulf Spill is not Obama's Katrina but BP's Chernobyl.

I'm so glad you thought of that; as it resolves many things around here. One way or another.

Maybe, we could even get Thanatopsy to come back and  discuss America.  Like Tommy of the Flowery Kingdom, one might describe his also having been cut off at the legs, too, while minding his own business.
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weezo
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« Reply #3170 on: July 10, 2010, 12:14:49 AM »

If you want people to come back, Maddie, perhaps you should promise to stop posting. This forum is supposed to discuss American History literature, which it did, until you decided it shouldn't be democratic in the choice of books. Shame!
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Westwood
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« Reply #3171 on: July 12, 2010, 11:56:06 AM »


"Not all Virginia-born slaves fought on the side of the colonials against the British."


Before the revolution, both free blacks and slaves served in colonial militias. Many were drawn to the anti-British cause as it heated up and that caused more alarm than hope on the patriot side. After Lexington, Massachusetts stopped the enlistment of blacks. A few months later General Washington began purging blacks from the Continental army. Shortly thereafter, the royal governor of Virginia issued a proclamation promising freedom to slaves who would fight for the British. Enraged Virginians responded by organizing patrols to hunt down slaves attempting to accept the offer. The royal governor had to flee for his life. But a few hundred slaves did manage to get their freedom.  
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madupont
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« Reply #3172 on: July 12, 2010, 05:19:44 PM »

Excuse me,weezo, but when did I decide Bob W.'s forum  shouldn't be democratic in choice of books?  You and I know, that you posted the above comment solely on the basis that you finally were told off by another history poster in an entirely different forum for putting in your unwanted two cents on a matter that doesn't concern you about a person you never met nor knew in the nytimes.com forums  who was greatly admired by many of his fellow posters for his knowledge of literature and was a personal friend of the person who told you off.
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madupont
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« Reply #3173 on: July 12, 2010, 06:04:46 PM »


"Not all Virginia-born slaves fought on the side of the colonials against the British."


Before the revolution, both free blacks and slaves served in colonial militias. Many were drawn to the anti-British cause as it heated up and that caused more alarm than hope on the patriot side. After Lexington, Massachusetts stopped the enlistment of blacks. A few months later General Washington began purging blacks from the Continental army. Shortly thereafter, the royal governor of Virginia issued a proclamation promising freedom to slaves who would fight for the British. Enraged Virginians responded by organizing patrols to hunt down slaves attempting to accept the offer. The royal governor had to flee for his life. But a few hundred slaves did manage to get their freedom.  


Thanks, Westwood, I had to check back to discover what that was all about but it was a list of noted Black women, former slaves, compiled by an educator who thought more ought to be taught about these women, in the present school system.  Now was the time, considering, after Michelle Obama had clarified that she knew the Southern origins of her family in the time of slavery.  Oddly enough, I had posted an extensive list, or rather coverage about these women, to Weezo who  had mentioned some teaching project she was doing. That was four months ago.

Rose Fortune was the Virginia-born slave. However, she fought against the British "on the side of the Colonials" in British Canada.  Back in the Sixties, I did have an opportunity to see just how small a fortress kept law and order at a small town on the border of Ontario when visiting my sister-in-law, by coincidence also named Rose. We have the same home town , here in the US; but, she became a landed-immigrant over half a century ago, when she chose to marry a Canadian.  One of their daughters lives on that side of the International Bridge (which we seem to have been discussing in the Obama Admin.forum just yesterday because it is in need of long overdue repairs for the volume of traffic); while the other lives in suburban Michigan. Thus my sister-in-law regularly drives that route on alternate holidays; or, the grand-kids come to Canada to have holidays with grandma.

I was very much taken with the place, myself. That is until the Harper government following the Bush proclamation of "Co-operation " between the two governments, shortly after his inauguration.  He must have already planned, well in advance of 9/11 by the way, for another war, this time in Iraq that would have conscientious objectors heading over the border  where they were very well treated last time that was necessary.

Rarely does a month go by when I don't hear about the inconvenience of the traffic inspection for "papers" which in my prior experience never was a problem prior to the Bush administration.

Quite frankly the only militia of color with which I was familiar was that of the New Orleans',  Gens de couleur  libres, in the Battle of New Orleans
(December 23, 1814, to January 26, 1815).  The only people I'd heard of relevant to Gen.Washington in the American Revolution were of course the rumored origins of Alexander Hamilton whose father was Scots and whose mother was "colorful"; as well as a drummer-boy who became better known as a Haitian liberator.   Your comments would clarify why he left the Continental Army for Haiti soon after the return to Valley Forge in Pennsylvania.
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madupont
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« Reply #3174 on: July 12, 2010, 06:12:10 PM »

Westwood

http://www.haitianhistory.org/contents.php?pagetitle=Haitian_American_Historical_Society
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Lhoffman
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« Reply #3175 on: July 12, 2010, 06:56:24 PM »


Rarely does a month go by when I don't hear about the inconvenience of the traffic inspection for "papers" which in my prior experience never was a problem prior to the Bush administration.


It wouldn't have been, as this requirement came about as a result of 9/11. 
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weezo
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« Reply #3176 on: July 12, 2010, 09:31:14 PM »


"Not all Virginia-born slaves fought on the side of the colonials against the British."

After Lexington, Massachusetts stopped the enlistment of blacks. A few months later General Washington began purging blacks from the Continental army.
  

And, then Washington realized that the blacks were darn good fighting men and asked the Continental Congress to again authorize free blacks in his army. Virginia blacks fought on both sides of the Revolutionary War, just as they fought on both sides in the Civil War.

http://www.educationalsynthesis.org//socstud/History/HIS-AmericanRevolution.html
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weezo
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« Reply #3177 on: July 12, 2010, 09:42:14 PM »

Excuse me,weezo, but when did I decide Bob W.'s forum  shouldn't be democratic in choice of books? 

When I proposed a poll to choose the book to read, and you preferred the tyranny of "concensus" so you could insist everyone read stupid book no one else wanted to read, so you discussed it with yourself on the forum, and everyone just moved away.

Had nothing to do with whomever you think "told me off", as if that would make any difference whatsoever.

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bosox18d
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« Reply #3178 on: July 13, 2010, 01:48:11 AM »

The reason most folks don't post here anymore is because of one poster,Weezo.We started another group elsewhere just so posters could discuss History without her nonsense.
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weezo
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« Reply #3179 on: July 13, 2010, 07:15:54 AM »

The reason most folks don't post here anymore is because of one poster,Weezo.We started another group elsewhere just so posters could discuss History without her nonsense.

Oh, goodie! So you ARE discussing history elsewhere! That is good! I discuss History elsewhere as well, with real historians in Virginia where they discuss their research instead of coffee table books. Sounds like a win-win for everyone!

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