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« Reply #12480 on: January 03, 2018, 02:05:41 PM »


Oddly enough, she was not caught having lied to the FBI nor having intentionally taken classified documents.

This person intentionally took photos of something classified, if I understand the twit properly.

And for that, they should be pardoned?!

Kid, you are revolting.
Yeah, the training to even be on a nuclear submarine made Saucier's conviction a pretty easy one. But since the private email server Clinton used was not illegal - no matter how often Trump says to the contrary - and none of the documents Clinton handled on the email server were marked as confidential per protocol, she was never at risk of an independent, non-politically motivated charge for knowingly mishandling classified documents. They would never be able.to prove knowledge of either the mishandling or the classified documents.

But that we.are even having this conversation shows both the desperation of the Trumpsters and the depth to which they are.silling to go to persecute political enemies.
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« Reply #12481 on: January 03, 2018, 02:11:24 PM »


A few things about this:

Steve Bannon will probably claim he is being misquoted and I think he would have a point.  It is unclear if he is saying Donald Trump Jr.'s actions are treasonous, or if the hack and the attempt to set up a meeting to review the hack is treasonous.  His quote could certainly be said to be the later.

However, that doesn't change the meaning of his statement in any meaningful way.  If the attempt to set up the meeting amounted to treason, then certainly the same could be said of DTJr eager acceptance.

And Bannon's central critique that they should have alerted the FBI once contacted and made aware of the Russian Government's attempt to help Sr. leaves unsaid the only reason that the Trump Campaign would not; they WANTED THE HELP.  Only question now is if they did anything to facilitate that help and/or promised something to Russia in exchange for it.

So while I fully expect Bannon to try to put this cat back in the bag (is that the expression?) its a harsh critique any way you slice it.  And while it isn't technically correct (maybe) its more or less on the money.
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« Reply #12482 on: January 03, 2018, 02:29:04 PM »

The great bromance of 2016-17 does not seem to be surviving into 2018. Sad.

http://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/03/steve-bannon-trump-conflict-322278

President Nixon: What’s your evaluation of Reagan after meeting him several times now?

Kissinger: Well, I think he’s a–actually I think he’s a pretty decent guy.

President Nixon: Oh, decent, no question, but his brains

Kissinger: Well, his brains, are negligible. I–

President Nixon: He’s really pretty shallow, Henry.

Kissinger: He’s shallow. He’s got no…he’s an actor. He–When he gets a line he does it very well. He said, “Hell, people are remembered not for what they do, but for what they say. Can’t you find a few good lines?” [Chuckles.] That’s really an actor’s approach to foreign policy–to substantive….

President Nixon: I’ve said a lot of good things, too, you know damn well.

Kissinger: Well, that too.

On Reagan as a potential President
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Nixon: Can you think though, Henry, can you think, though, that Reagan with certain forces running in the direction could be sitting right here?

Kissinger: Inconceivable.

So much for Kissinger’s powers of prognostication. As they were finishing up–after discussing other matters–Nixon slammed Reagan again:

President Nixon: Back to Reagan though. It shows you how a man of limited mental capacity simply doesn’t know what the Christ is going on in the foreign area. He’s got to know that on defense–doesn’t he know these battles we fight and fight and fight? Goddamn it, Henry, we’ve been at–

Kissinger: And I told him–he said, “Why don’t you fire the bureaucracy?” I said, “Because there are only so many battles we can fight. We take on the bureaucracy now, they’re going to leak us to death. Name me one thing that we have done that the bureaucracy made us do.”

President Nixon: The bureaucracy has had nothing to do with anything.

Kissinger: No, no. They’ve made our lives harder. They’ve driven us crazy. But that doesn’t affect him.


http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2007/11/nixon-tape-reagan-was-shallow-and-limited-mental-capacity/

Hmmmm...Food for thought.
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« Reply #12483 on: January 03, 2018, 05:37:24 PM »

Stick to what you know Bambu, the decline and fall of Australia

Some young non-White woman with a non-White European name


Which tells me everything I need to know about your bigotry, very succinctly, bambu.

Congratulations on your pith.

Just giving an exact description.
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« Reply #12484 on: January 03, 2018, 05:40:38 PM »

Kissinger...baaah!

He and Ford gave Indonesia the green light to invade East Timor.[refer US archives]
Hundreds of thousands of East Timorese were torture-mutilation-murdered.
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« Reply #12485 on: January 03, 2018, 06:16:11 PM »

Stick to what you know Bambu, the decline and fall of Australia

Some young non-White woman with a non-White European name


Which tells me everything I need to know about your bigotry, very succinctly, bambu.

Congratulations on your pith.

Well it's like this you see...they're coming to change the place into something else.

ARM = Australian Republican Movement...has a chairman;

'Red bandana Pete' some call him...[not so lovingly it seems].

Dec 2016;

Peter FitzSimons, the ARM’s current chairman, takes a different view. He issued a statement that he was “thrilled” the Prime Minister was attending the ARM’s 25th anniversary but added that the organisation “has no intention of celebrating its 30th anniver­sary”. FitzSimons believes there will be “an Australian head of state within the next five years”.

In his column in Fairfax Media’s The Sun-Herald each Sunday, FitzSimons rants against Australians with whom he disagrees, despite the fact he would need the support of at least some of them for the ARM’s cause to prevail. For example, on December 4, Fitz­Simons described religious be­lievers as following a “Magic Sky Daddy” deity.



Looks like the bambu-ilk NO campaigners will be off to rural and outer suburban areas aboard the "Magic Sky Daddy" Express to try convince the true believers to stay with our Constitutional Monarchy.

Kinda like Trump did...got them at the 'farm gate'.
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« Reply #12486 on: January 03, 2018, 06:35:50 PM »

cont'd;

"Make Australia Great Still"  [hope Mr Trump doesn't mind if we use his altered slogan] should be our campaign slogan;

FitzSimons sneers especially at conservative Catholics but also at mainstream Christians (despite the fact his two sons were educated at a Uniting Church school).

One comment reads;

The whole Republican issue is, ultimately, a left-generated issue, though it is so hidden in the mists of time, few seem to remember that it was. It has the multi cultural affectionados’ hands all over it, making it easy to forget the fact that the vast majority of Australians owe their heritage to England. Becoming a republic would sweep the relevant history clean out of the way, making it just a hard-to-read little footnote nobody could be bothered to read. Our rich history is invaluable: let’s not ditch it like so much toxic asbestos.

We owe the Left nothing at all.



Becoming a republic, without nuclear weapons for defence, would be a very bad idea.

FitzSimons and his lot have to get a majority in a majority of states to change the Constitution.

Onward Christian soldiers!


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« Reply #12487 on: January 03, 2018, 07:03:40 PM »

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/948503568734150656
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« Reply #12488 on: January 03, 2018, 07:22:40 PM »


Exactly why Trump's building the wall.


Not to mention all the visa-overstayers;

60,000 illegal migrants hiding in Australia


MORE than 60,000 foreign students and tourists are in hiding in Australia, as ­Department of Home Affairs officials admit they are “toothless’’ in detecting black-market migrants.

The department now wants landlords and childcare centres to verify visas before they let people rent a property or enrol kids in daycare.
And they are demanding tougher screening before people can open a bank account, get a driver’s licence or obtain a WorkCover licence to work on a building site.

An internal government report obtained by The Daily Telegraph warns “the power balance is tilted in favour of visa overstayers”.
There are now 62,900 ­il­legal migrants in hiding, three quarters of them tourists and 15 per cent are students who refused to fly home when their visas expired.

A staggering 18,750 illegal migrants have lived in Australia for at least 15 years. A third of them have been here for at least a decade.


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With a population 13 times that of Australia, the US could have a large number of similar people.

A quarter of the visa overstayers came from Malaysia or China, but 5170 are Americans and 3680 are British.

5170 Americans wanted to stay in Australia after their visas expired?
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« Reply #12489 on: January 03, 2018, 07:30:02 PM »

From the New York mag article

Donald Trump Didn't Want to Be President

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/01/michael-wolff-fire-and-fury-book-donald-trump.html


Not only did Trump disregard the potential conflicts of his own business deals and real-estate holdings, he audaciously refused to release his tax returns. Why should he?Once he lost, Trump would be both insanely famous and a martyr to Crooked Hillary. His daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared would be international celebrities. Steve Bannon would become the de facto head of the tea-party movement. Kellyanne Conway would be a cable-news star. Melania Trump, who had been assured by her husband that he wouldn’t become president, could return to inconspicuously lunching. Losing would work out for everybody. Losing was winning.

The shmuck used the Mel Brook's "Springtime For Hitler" game plan, and it fucking worked!.
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« Reply #12490 on: January 03, 2018, 07:40:16 PM »

Was it treasonous for Reagan surrogates to negotiate release of the Iran hostages before Reagan was inaugurated?
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« Reply #12491 on: January 03, 2018, 08:12:52 PM »

Reagan surrogates acted on behalf of American people, not a hostile foreign power that sought to make Ronnie a puppet lotus.

Teeny tiny difference....
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« Reply #12492 on: January 03, 2018, 08:14:21 PM »

potus

Stupid androif
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« Reply #12493 on: January 03, 2018, 08:36:58 PM »

Reagan surrogates acted on behalf of American people, not a hostile foreign power that sought to make Ronnie a puppet lotus.

Teeny tiny difference....
Than what?
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« Reply #12494 on: January 03, 2018, 08:58:14 PM »

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.832387
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