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« Reply #10965 on: December 06, 2017, 12:07:58 PM »

Not worth the buck.

Deutsche Bank has begun sending information about its dealings with Donald Trump to US investigators probing alleged Russian interference in the 2016 US presidential race following a subpoena by Robert Mueller, the special counsel heading the federal inquiry.

A person with direct knowledge of the German bank’s actions told the Financial Times the production of Trump-related documents had begun several weeks ago. “Deutsche could not hand over client information without a subpoena,” said a second person with direct knowledge of the subpoena. “It’s helpful to be ordered to do so.”
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« Reply #10966 on: December 06, 2017, 12:33:29 PM »

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Trump may have a noose prepared to tighten around Mueller's neck.  That isn't to his credit.  But we'll note here that you and kidcarter8 find the possibility of his being fired so laughable.  The same way the two of you viewed, for example, Trump giving his full endorsement to "Judge" Moore.

What I find laughable is the idea that Mueller's moving an agent off his team for sending private messages that are critical of Trump is evidence of a biased investigation.  In any logically thinking universe, it is evidence of the exact opposite.

And with Trump's approval rating of 35%, if you are asking Mueller to only employ Trump supporters, you would be significantly hamstringing his efforts.  
Mueller needs no help tightening his own figurative noose.
Regarding Moore, Trump needs his vote in the Senate for the next three years.( which would be the Senate lifespan of Jones)
The GOP controlled Senate wants no part of Moore in 2018.
If you want to play your partisan game you should want Moore’s election which the democrats can use against the GOP in 2018 Senate Races.
I don’t think you are paying attention.
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« Reply #10967 on: December 06, 2017, 12:45:04 PM »

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Mueller needs no help tightening his own figurative noose.

How so?  What is he doing that is not just doing the job of an independent counsel? 

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« Reply #10968 on: December 06, 2017, 12:50:47 PM »

If you want to play your partisan game

"It's like raaaaaaaaaain on your wedding day" (which really isn't "ironic", but anyway.....)
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« Reply #10969 on: December 06, 2017, 12:52:44 PM »

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Trump may have a noose prepared to tighten around Mueller's neck.  That isn't to his credit.  But we'll note here that you and kidcarter8 find the possibility of his being fired so laughable.  The same way the two of you viewed, for example, Trump giving his full endorsement to "Judge" Moore.

What I find laughable is the idea that Mueller's moving an agent off his team for sending private messages that are critical of Trump is evidence of a biased investigation.  In any logically thinking universe, it is evidence of the exact opposite.

And with Trump's approval rating of 35%, if you are asking Mueller to only employ Trump supporters, you would be significantly hamstringing his efforts.  
Mueller needs no help tightening his own figurative noose.
Regarding Moore, Trump needs his vote in the Senate for the next three years.( which would be the Senate lifespan of Jones)
The GOP controlled Senate wants no part of Moore in 2018.
If you want to play your partisan game you should want Moore’s election which the democrats can use against the GOP in 2018 Senate Races.
I don’t think you are paying attention.

There is no more nakedly partisan tell than someone claiming that a desire for the Senate to not accept a credibly accused child molester into national politics is “partisan.”

If the Senate GOP wants no part of Moore then they can unseat him if elected.  While McConnell floated that idea when it was convenient for him, he apparently no longer plans to.  If they really wanted no part of him, they wouldn’t want his vote.  Instead, they are willing to put up with EVERY part of him in order to get that.

 And yes, Mueller tightens the noose around his neck the closer he gets to uncovering the lawlessness that is at the heart of the Trump Campaign, but that doesn’t mean he is doing anything but his job, and there is zero reason to think otherwise.

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« Reply #10970 on: December 06, 2017, 12:54:50 PM »

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There is an opening on Mueller’s team.  You qualify. Hurry, though, his resignation may come swiftly

[empty taunt]

In fact, I'm coining a new word for about 50% of Red's posts here:

"tauntological"



the other 50% is "taintological"

logic tainted by ultra partisan gibberish
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« Reply #10971 on: December 06, 2017, 01:04:34 PM »

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Trump may have a noose prepared to tighten around Mueller's neck.  That isn't to his credit.  But we'll note here that you and kidcarter8 find the possibility of his being fired so laughable.  The same way the two of you viewed, for example, Trump giving his full endorsement to "Judge" Moore.

What I find laughable is the idea that Mueller's moving an agent off his team for sending private messages that are critical of Trump is evidence of a biased investigation.  In any logically thinking universe, it is evidence of the exact opposite.

And with Trump's approval rating of 35%, if you are asking Mueller to only employ Trump supporters, you would be significantly hamstringing his efforts.  
Mueller needs no help tightening his own figurative noose.
Regarding Moore, Trump needs his vote in the Senate for the next three years.( which would be the Senate lifespan of Jones)
The GOP controlled Senate wants no part of Moore in 2018.
If you want to play your partisan game you should want Moore’s election which the democrats can use against the GOP in 2018 Senate Races.
I don’t think you are paying attention.

There is no more nakedly partisan tell than someone claiming that a desire for the Senate to not accept a credibly accused child molester into national politics is “partisan.”

If the Senate GOP wants no part of Moore then they can unseat him if elected.  
A foregone conclusion
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While McConnell floated that idea when it was convenient for him, he apparently no longer plans to.  If they really wanted no part of him, they wouldn’t want his vote.  Instead, they are willing to put up with EVERY part of him in order to get that.
Like I said you are asea on this issue.
Please note the democrats today(Sherrod Brown and Bob Casey) joining female democrat Senators throwing Al Franken under the bus. Another indication that Moore might be pulling ahead in Alabama.
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And yes, Mueller tightens the noose around his neck the closer he gets to uncovering the lawlessness that is at the heart of the Trump Campaign, but that doesn’t mean he is doing anything but his job, and there is zero reason to think otherwise.
After $ 7 millions spent in a handful of months trying to uncover “ Russian collusion” Mueller has no results.


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« Reply #10972 on: December 06, 2017, 01:13:14 PM »


It's called WORK.

Other presidents laid out their promises on Jerusalem - and failed to follow through.  Not Trump's style.

Must explain why every country that has expressed an opinion of this (except Israel's leader, but including many in Israel) has denounced it as dangerous,ill-timed, unwise, etc.

It's called "Obama didn't do it, so I am going to."

If Obama had done it, Trump would be undoing it.

It's not work. It's not statesmanship. It's not keeping promises - he breaks those left and right, while you ignore it.

It's kneejerk use of power, with emphasis on "jerk."
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« Reply #10973 on: December 06, 2017, 01:16:08 PM »

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After $ 7 millions spent in a handful of months trying to uncover “ Russian collusion” Mueller has no results.

taintological.

IMO in just a few months, Mueller's doing just fine., But as there have been only a few leaks, things are kind of buttoned up, so you really don't know what he's got, other than a couple of plea deals.

I'd presume we're closer to the 4th or 5th inning, than the 9th.

And fwiw, imagine the fun we could have had on Elba in the 7 years Ken Starr took to investigated a blow-job?
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« Reply #10974 on: December 06, 2017, 01:19:08 PM »

If you want to play your partisan game

"It's like raaaaaaaaaain on your wedding day" (which really isn't "ironic", but anyway.....)

Kid and RSW keep reiterating the same self-serving bit of misunderstanding.

To them, it is a game of who wins and loses and the loser should shut up.

They assume we are not sincere in our caring what happens to people.

To quote an unlikely source, Senator Flake, "Country above party

Moore has no business being in the Senate.
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« Reply #10975 on: December 06, 2017, 01:19:46 PM »

Yeah “no results” just indictments and cooperative plea deals from two members of Trump’s innermost circle…Sure nothing will come of that.  Or…

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/us/politics/michael-flynn-russia-sanctions-ripped-up-whistleblower.html
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« Reply #10976 on: December 06, 2017, 01:22:56 PM »

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The new expenditures push the cost of the independent counsel's 4 1/2-year inquiry of the president and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton to $39.2 million. Starr was appointed to continue the investigation of the Clinton's Whitewater land deal. The probe was expanded in January 1998 to include the Lewinsky matter.

With that total, Starr is closing in on the record for spending by an independent counsel: The $47.4 million spent by Lawrence Walsh on the eight-year investigation of Reagan Administration officials involved in the Iran-contra affair.
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« Reply #10977 on: December 06, 2017, 01:23:52 PM »

A foregone conclusion

Yeah, very sure that ethics committee investigation will turn up the evidence of the charges being true that Republicans say they need.

Meanwhile, in your search for "Democrat Hypocrisy" you keep a running tally of Democrats calling for Franken to resign immediately before the ethics committee is finished without having the brain power to realize you are only exposing the hypocrisy of your own position.
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« Reply #10978 on: December 06, 2017, 01:24:40 PM »

And speaking of starting fires...

https://news.vice.com/story/trump-network-private-spies?utm_source=vicenewsfb

A world-wide network of private spiese, inspired by Eric Prince, with consultation from Ollie North.

You can't make this stuff up.

Ollie North, just the sort of man Trump admires.
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« Reply #10979 on: December 06, 2017, 01:25:08 PM »

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The new expenditures push the cost of the independent counsel's 4 1/2-year inquiry of the president and first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton to $39.2 million. Starr was appointed to continue the investigation of the Clinton's Whitewater land deal. The probe was expanded in January 1998 to include the Lewinsky matter.

With that total, Starr is closing in on the record for spending by an independent counsel: The $47.4 million spent by Lawrence Walsh on the eight-year investigation of Reagan Administration officials involved in the Iran-contra affair.

Mueller should resign because his investigation is too expensive?

LOL.
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