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« Reply #11040 on: December 06, 2017, 06:48:14 PM »

Ran across this with a quick search of Trump + dementia

This is from MAY:

There has been considerable speculation about Trump’s physical and mental health, in part because few facts are known. During the campaign, his staff reported that he was six feet three inches tall and weighed two hundred and thirty-six pounds, which is considered overweight but not obese. His personal physician, Harold N. Bornstein, issued brief, celebratory statements—Trump’s lab-test results were “astonishingly excellent”—mentioning little more than a daily dose of aspirin and a statin. Trump himself says that he is “not a big sleeper” (“I like three hours, four hours”) and professes a fondness for steak and McDonald’s. Other than golf, he considers exercise misguided, arguing that a person, like a battery, is born with a finite amount of energy.

Secrecy about a President’s health has a rich history. “No one in the White House wants to emphasize the fact that the President might be too ill to carry out his responsibilities,” Robert E. Gilbert, a political scientist at Northeastern University who studies Presidential health, told me. “They want everyone to think that the President is able to surmount any problem, no matter how serious, because they are thinking of reëlection, and they are thinking of the judgment of history.” Although John F. Kennedy’s tan was often described as a sign of vigor, it was caused by Addison’s disease, an endocrine disorder, which Kennedy and his aides hid for decades, and which left him dependent on multiple medications.

Yet it is impossible to conceal the sheer physical strain of the Presidency. Studying the medical records of Presidents since Theodore Roosevelt, Michael Roizen, the chairman of the Cleveland Clinic’s Wellness Institute, has concluded that “unrequited stress”—the absence of peers and friends—takes the greatest toll. Kennedy, who liked to compare his critics to hecklers at a bullfight, quoted a poem by the matador Domingo Ortega: “Only one is there who knows / And he’s the man who fights the bull.” A 2015 study, led by Anupam Jena, of Harvard Medical School, analyzed the life expectancy of five hundred and forty politicians in seventeen countries. Jena found that the lives of elected leaders are, on average, 2.7 years shorter than those of the runners-up.

The Framers of the Constitution planned ahead for the death of Presidents—hence, Vice-Presidents—but they failed to address an unnerving prospect: a President who is alive and very sick. Had Kennedy survived being shot, and been left comatose, there would have been no legal way to allow others to assume his powers. To fend off that possibility, the Twenty-fifth Amendment was added to the Constitution in February, 1967. Under Section 4, a President can be removed if he is judged to be “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” The assessment can be made either by the Vice-President and a majority of the Cabinet secretaries or by a congressionally appointed body, such as a panel of medical experts. If the President objects—a theoretical crisis that scholars call “contested removal”—Congress has three weeks to debate and decide the issue. A two-thirds majority in each chamber is required to remove the President. There is no appeal.

However, the definition of what would constitute an inability to discharge the duties of office was left deliberately vague. Senator Birch Bayh, of Indiana, and others who drafted the clause wanted to insure that the final decision was not left to doctors. The fate of a President, Bayh wrote later, is “really a political question” that should rest on the “professional judgment of the political circumstances existing at the time.” The Twenty-fifth Amendment could therefore be employed in the case of a President who is not incapacitated but is considered mentally impaired.

A study by psychiatrists at Duke University, published in the Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, in 2006, made a striking assertion: about half the Presidents they studied had suffered a mental illness at one time or another. The researchers examined biographies and medical histories of thirty-seven Presidents, from Washington to Nixon, and found that forty-nine per cent met the criteria for a psychiatric disorder—mostly depression, anxiety, and substance abuse—at some point in their lives. Ten Presidents, or about one in four, had symptoms “evident during presidential office, which in most cases probably impaired job performance.”

Some of these illnesses had far-reaching historical consequences. Just before Franklin Pierce took office, in 1853, his son died in a train accident, and Pierce’s Presidency was marked by the “dead weight of hopeless sorrow,” according to his biographer Roy Franklin Nichols. Morose and often drunk, Pierce proved unable to defuse the tensions that precipitated the Civil War.

Years after the death of Lyndon B. Johnson, it emerged that, as the war in Vietnam intensified, he exhibited symptoms of profound paranoia, leading two of his assistants to secretly seek the advice of psychiatrists. Johnson imagined conspiracies involving the Times or the United Nations or élites whom he called “those Harvards.” He took to carrying, in his jacket pocket, faulty statistics that he recited about “victory” and troop commitments in Vietnam. “For a long time, Johnson succeeded,” one of the assistants wrote, “not in changing reality, but in deceiving much of the country and, perhaps, himself.”

Only one Administration is known to have considered using the Twenty-fifth Amendment to remove a President. In 1987, at the age of seventy-six, Ronald Reagan was showing the strain of the Iran-Contra scandal. Aides observed that he was increasingly inattentive and inept. Howard H. Baker, Jr., a former senator who became Reagan’s chief of staff in February, 1987, found the White House in disarray. “He seemed to be despondent but not depressed,” Baker said later, of the President.

Baker assigned an aide named Jim Cannon to interview White House officials about the Administration’s dysfunction, and Cannon learned that Reagan was not reading even short documents. “They said he wouldn’t come over to work—all he wanted to do was watch movies and television at the residence,” Cannon recalled, in “Landslide,” a 1988 account of Reagan’s second term, by Jane Mayer and Doyle McManus. One night, Baker summoned a small group of aides to his home. One of them, Thomas Griscom, told me recently that Cannon, who died in 2011, “floats this idea that maybe we’d invoke the Constitution.” Baker was skeptical, but, the next day, he proposed a diagnostic process of sorts: they would observe the President’s behavior at lunch.

In the event, Reagan was funny and alert, and Baker considered the debate closed. “We finish the lunch and Senator Baker says, ‘You know, boys, I think we’ve all seen this President is fully capable of doing the job,’ ” Griscom said. They never raised the issue again. In 1993, four years after leaving office, Reagan received a diagnosis of Alzheimer’s. His White House physicians said that they saw no symptoms during his Presidency. In 2015, researchers at Arizona State University published a study in the Journal of Alzheimer’s Disease, in which they examined transcripts of news conferences in the course of Reagan’s Presidency and discovered changes in his speech that are linked to the onset of dementia. Reagan had taken to repeating words and using “thing” in the place of specific nouns, but they could not prove that, while he was in office, his judgment and decision-making were affected.


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/05/08/how-trump-could-get-fired

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« Reply #11041 on: December 06, 2017, 07:01:52 PM »

Looks like they've had enough in Britain;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5153613/Gavin-Williamson-Brits-fighting-be.html

Dead terrorists can't harm us: New Defence Secretary says British citizens who fought for ISIS should be ‘eliminated’ and never allowed to return to the UK

Not a single British citizen who has fought for Islamic State should be allowed back into the UK, the Defence Secretary declared last night.

Gavin Williamson signalled he was prepared to hunt down and use air strikes against the remaining 270 UK passport holders who have travelled to Syria and Iraq.
In an interview with the Daily Mail, he said: ‘Quite simply, my view is a dead terrorist can’t cause any harm to Britain.’

He added: ‘I do not believe that any terrorist, whether they come from this country or any other, should ever be allowed back into this country.
‘We should do everything we can do to destroy and eliminate that threat.’




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« Reply #11042 on: December 06, 2017, 07:26:14 PM »

I don’t know what cave you have been living in for most of 2017 but Trump and the republican controlled Congress are not very often on the same page together.


What?  LOL.  Yeah, except on every single policy issue of any importance.  

Outside of a few "leaked" tiffs that got a lot of press for a day and a half, Trump and his Congress have been on the exact same page on the ends, if not quite always on the means.  And where that difference exists is really only because for all his talk of being a "dealmaker" Trump is really just a self-absorbed dumbass.  Zero fucks for McConnell's problems on that one, who was busy telling Americans Trump was just making "rookie mistakes" in it was crystal clear that in fact Donald was #unfit.

In fact, on Moore, they aren't so far apart.  McConnell obviously prefers a marketable Republican there, but doesn't oppose Moore so much that he would accept losing the seat to a Democrat.  Which was Trump's position all of a week ago before he said fuck it and went all in.  

McConnell's statement this weekend is pure chicken shit.  "We'll let the voters decide..." like nothing politicians say or do could ever influence voters...
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« Reply #11043 on: December 06, 2017, 08:15:44 PM »

If you want to play your partisan game

"It's like raaaaaaaaaain on your wedding day" (which really isn't "ironic", but anyway.....)

Kid ............. keep(s) reiterating the same self-serving bit of misunderstanding.

To them, it is a game of who wins and loses and the loser should shut up

No.

It's GET IN LINE.

Sieg Heil, muffoccurs!
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« Reply #11044 on: December 06, 2017, 08:22:18 PM »

If they're not on our soil they can't blow us up, hack us to death etc.

New British Defence Secretary understands...as does President Trump.
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« Reply #11045 on: December 06, 2017, 08:55:32 PM »

Watched Cory Lewendowski on Morning Joe this am, and I couldn't help but think of Drank Burns from the old tv show M.A.S.H.---and how they used to call him "ferret face".

That dude is pathetic. Rarely do you see such a character of such low intellect working so desperately to appear relevant.

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« Reply #11046 on: December 06, 2017, 10:07:55 PM »

He's trying to push his new insider book before Der Donald orders book burnings and post-Christmas 40% off sales.
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« Reply #11047 on: December 06, 2017, 10:11:58 PM »

So Donny Jr. imvokes Daddy-son priviledge, and clams up?

What a fucking weasel.

Water boarding might work.
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« Reply #11048 on: December 06, 2017, 10:18:31 PM »

Yeah.....


Jr. wont be the next Trump prez.

It'll be Eric if any of the adult boys.  Still possibly Ivanka.  And BARON likely runs tied for second with her.

Tiff is the 99,999-1 shot
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« Reply #11049 on: December 06, 2017, 10:25:46 PM »

Yeah.....


Jr. wont be the next Trump prez.

It'll be Eric if any of the adult boys.  Still possibly Ivanka.  And BARON likely runs tied for second with her.

Tiff is the 99,999-1 shot

Nah, thieves seldom return to the scene of the crime. They'll just take the money and run.

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« Reply #11050 on: December 06, 2017, 10:48:21 PM »

I don’t know what cave you have been living in for most of 2017 but Trump and the republican controlled Congress are not very often on the same page together.


What?  LOL.  Yeah, except on every single policy issue of any importance.  
Really? ObamaCare has been repealed? How’s that Wall doing on the border!?  DACA?
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In fact, on Moore, they aren't so far apart.  McConnell obviously prefers a marketable Republican there, but doesn't oppose Moore so much that he would accept losing the seat to a Democrat.  Which was Trump's position all of a week ago before he said fuck it and went all in.  

Well, except that, as previously noted and ignored by you and YankGuy, McConnell is the adult in the room. For obvious reasons.

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McConnell's statement this weekend is pure chicken shit.  "We'll let the voters decide..."

Pray tell who else will decide the election?
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like nothing politicians say or do could ever influence voters...
Republican Senators telling Roy Moore to Bow out.

Mitch McConnell
Susan Collins
Jeff Flake
Cory Gardner
Lindsay Graham
Orrin Hatch
John McCain
Thom Tillie
Todd Young
John Cornyn
Ted Cruz
Steve Daines
Mike Lee
Lisa Murkowski
David Perdue
Rob Portman
Jim Risch
Mike Rounds
Marco Rubio
Ben Sasse
Tim Scott
Richard Shelby
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« Reply #11051 on: December 06, 2017, 10:56:29 PM »

RSW ignores facts that don't fit his narrative.
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« Reply #11052 on: December 06, 2017, 11:05:50 PM »

RSW ignores facts that don't fit his narrative.
What facts are those?
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« Reply #11053 on: December 06, 2017, 11:09:38 PM »

Jeeze Senate Repubs couldn't even get a majority of their members to speak out against a child molester.

Maybe if Roy Moore joins the good ole boys, they'll assign him to the the Senate Comm on Health and Education given his deep and lifelong interest in children.

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« Reply #11054 on: December 06, 2017, 11:14:40 PM »

How many scams will Mueller dig up?

10 minutes into the Trump presidency Flynn was ready to lift Russian sanctions and broker a nuclear energy deal with the Russians.

They should hang the motherfucking traitors



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