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« Reply #15045 on: February 09, 2018, 07:55:52 AM »

2014: Go Rand. Kick Obama's ass! Deficits suck!

2018: Well Rand is running for President again
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« Reply #15046 on: February 09, 2018, 07:59:49 AM »

Kudos to Rand Paul for calling out the McConnell-Ryan Congress for their IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING and putting the nation at further risk by pushing the debt ceiling even higher.

LOL.

He voted for a tax bill that will increase the deficit by $1.5 Trillion!
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« Reply #15047 on: February 09, 2018, 08:01:31 AM »

2014: Go Rand! We spend too much. F'ing Socialists!

2018: We got our tax cuts. Rand is running for President.

I can't stand Rand Paul. But it's nice to see him point out the hypocrisy and fecklessness (Red word!) of Congressional Republicans. Even if he excludes himself from the criticism.
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« Reply #15048 on: February 09, 2018, 08:31:18 AM »

I can't stand Rand Paul. But it's nice to see him point out the hypocrisy and fecklessness (Red word!) of Congressional Republicans. Even if he excludes himself from the criticism.

There are other words for this.

For example; if Trump thinks not clapping during his SOTU is a treasonous offense, what should we call Republicans who are fine with Economic Stimulus when there is a Republican President but will actively work against helping the economy (in the midst of the worst recession since the Great Depression) because there is a Democrat in the White House?

I know what Trump would call it if it were the Democrats doing it!
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« Reply #15049 on: February 09, 2018, 09:03:25 AM »

Kudos to Rand Paul for calling out the McConnell-Ryan Congress for their IRRESPONSIBLE SPENDING and putting the nation at further risk by pushing the debt ceiling even higher.

LOL.

He voted for a tax bill that will increase the deficit by $1.5 Trillion!
Why are you bitching? You got more domestic spending. All of this  would not have been needed  had not the democrats ignored the military at the behest of the arrogant Obama. It took a lecture from Jim Mattes to get the democrats attention(election year, ya know).
The democrats were left to sleep through that yawn-producing 8 hour rant by San Francisco elitist  Nancy Pelosi.  But it actually did serve a useful purpose:
A bill to curtail regulation of the mortgage industrywas passed by the House.
Thanks Nancy!
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« Reply #15050 on: February 09, 2018, 09:15:03 AM »

All of this  would not have been needed  had not the democrats ignored the military at the behest of the arrogant Obama.

Obama's last three post-sequestration budgets called for large increases in the Military (by as much as 7.5%) despite drawdowns in Iraq and Afghanistan.

The democrats were left to sleep through that yawn-producing 8 hour rant by San Francisco elitist  Nancy Pelosi.  But it actually did serve a useful purpose:
A bill to curtail regulation of the mortgage industrywas passed by the House.
Thanks Nancy!

And REDSTATEWARD dutifully regurgitates todays Wall Street Journal talking point.  

More useful than your half-understood references, REDSTATEWARD, would be your cutting and pasting the editorial here, without commentary.  Some of us aren't subscribers.

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« Reply #15051 on: February 09, 2018, 09:36:46 AM »

When white students were shot in Ohio, they got a Neil Young song.

I think this is among the dumbest things I've ever seen posted here.


Yeah...getting shot and getting your own song...white privilege.

Fuck you, asswipe.

Out of context, not my point at all, but thanks for overreacting!

Kent State was remembered, became part of the 60s narrative. Orangeburg, not so much.  I was simply observing that it should be.  The song reference was a metaphorical way of pointing that out.  I wasn't pinpointing white privilege, just forgetfulness.  Calm down.
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« Reply #15052 on: February 09, 2018, 09:43:13 AM »

Orangeburg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjG6eOo4AI
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« Reply #15053 on: February 09, 2018, 09:44:36 AM »

All of this  would not have been needed  had not the democrats ignored the military at the behest of the arrogant Obama.

Obama's last three post-sequestration budgets called for large increases in the Military (by as much as 7.5%) despite drawdowns in Iraq and Afghanistan.
A laughable distortion even for you.
The democrats were left to sleep through that yawn-producing 8 hour rant by San Francisco elitist  Nancy Pelosi.  But it actually did serve a useful purpose:
A bill to curtail regulation of the mortgage industrywas passed by the House.
Thanks Nancy!
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And REDSTATEWARD dutifully regurgitates todays Wall Street Journal talking point.  
I see you can not rebut facts.
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« Reply #15054 on: February 09, 2018, 09:49:59 AM »

2014: Go Rand! We spend too much. F'ing Socialists!

2018: We got our tax cuts. Rand is running for President.

I can't stand Rand Paul. But it's nice to see him point out the hypocrisy and fecklessness (Red word!) of Congressional Republicans. Even if he excludes himself from the criticism.

Rand has been hanging out in the local LDS genealogical research center, exploring his libertarian roots. 
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« Reply #15055 on: February 09, 2018, 09:52:32 AM »

A laughable distortion even for you.

The distortion here is putting the Defense cuts on Obama when they were signed off by Congress as part of sequestration, which was in fact forced by the insistence of the GOP to cut spending (...and now see today's spending deal....)

The distortion is also talking about reductions in the budget without noting the winding down of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And there is probably no greater distortion than that propagated by Republicans that slight reductions in a military budget that is still larger than the next 8 countries combined somehow puts the security of Americans at risk.
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« Reply #15056 on: February 09, 2018, 10:12:31 AM »

A laughable distortion even for you.

The distortion here is putting the Defense cuts on Obama when they were signed off by Congress as part of sequestration, which was in fact forced by the insistence of the GOP to cut spending (...and now see today's spending deal....)

The distortion is also talking about reductions in the budget without noting the winding down of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Obama’s defense policy was to restrain American involvement in  the world’s affairs AND reduce  our military power which constrained a future president’s ability to do so. He looked at the threat of “ resorting to force” as a disease of former presidents. Obama was pathetic as Commander in Chief .
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And there is probably no greater distortion than that propagated by Republicans that slight reductions in a military budget that is still larger than the next 8 countries combined somehow puts the security of Americans at risk.
Which of the countries 2-9 has the capacity or the desire to defend freedom?
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« Reply #15057 on: February 09, 2018, 10:28:13 AM »

Obama’s defense policy was to restrain American involvement in  the world’s affairs AND reduce  our military power which constrained a future president’s ability to do so. He looked at the threat of “ resorting to force” as a disease of former presidents. Obama was pathetic as Commander in Chief .

I see you can not rebut facts.

Which of the countries 2-9 has the capacity or the desire to defend freedom?

Defending freedom starts with a President who supports human rights and does not openly admire and defend the world's authoritarians and strong-men while weakening democratic institutions at home.  

We got confirmation this week that Russians successfully hacked some state's voting systems.  The President you and yours love so much responds with...nothing.

Don't lecture about "defending freedom" when you've already demonstrated in spades that those words are completely empty to you.
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« Reply #15058 on: February 09, 2018, 11:04:20 AM »

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"The Budget Agreement today is so important for our great Military,” Trump tweeted on Wednesday. “It ends the dangerous sequester and gives Secretary Mattis what he needs to keep America Great. Republicans and Democrats must support our troops and support this Bill!”

The public sense that the defense department needs more money may have been damaged earlier this week, however, by the revelation that one of the Pentagon’s largest agencies had lost track of more than $800m in construction projects, according to an internal audit by the accounting giant Ernst & Young. Politico first obtained the report.

The prospect of tens of billions of taxpayer dollars going down a similar hole prompted grumbling among Democrats.

“The last thing we should be doing is approving another increase in defense spending without first determining how the Department of Defense is spending our tax dollars,” tweeted the congressman Ro Khanna of California.

Other elected officials warned that free military spending would contribute to an explosion in the national deficit, on top of trillions in projected shortfalls from Trump’s tax plan, disaster relief spending and, possibly, infrastructure spending.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/09/senate-budget-deal-us-military-spending

What's good for Lockheed isn't necessarily good for the rest of us.
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« Reply #15059 on: February 09, 2018, 11:05:06 AM »

Obama’s defense policy was to restrain American involvement in  the world’s affairs AND reduce  our military power which constrained a future president’s ability to do so. He looked at the threat of “ resorting to force” as a disease of former presidents. Obama was pathetic as Commander in Chief .

I see you can not rebut facts.

Which of the countries 2-9 has the capacity or the desire to defend freedom?

Defending freedom starts with a President who supports human rights and does not openly admire and defend the world's authoritarians and strong-men while weakening democratic institutions at home.  

We got confirmation this week that Russians successfully hacked some state's voting systems.  The President you and yours love so much responds with...nothing.

Don't lecture about "defending freedom" when you've already demonstrated in spades that those words are completely empty to you.

When was the last time our military defended any American's freedom?

I know it is placed in those terms, Domino Theory, Terrorist threats and whatnot, but the only freedom our military seems to be interested is the freedom of US based Multinationals to do what the fuck they want where ever the fuck they want to.

Which rights are the military protecting for Americans?
The 1st Amendment? Then what is the war we're raging against foreign invasion and abuse of OUR 1st amendment rights?

The 2nd? Nope.
 3rd? (wait a sec, I have to go look) Hasn't really been an issue.
4th? Well FISA warrants on them uppity blacks certainly don't make it look like the Military/Paramilitary (read FBI) are protecting that one much, in fact it seems as though it is the exact opposite!
 5th? Debatable. When the Congress is allowed to grill a former SoS for 8 hours straight trying to get her to testify against herself, where was the cavalry then?
 6th? Guantanamo? Rendition? That one is a BIG Assed NO!
7th? See above. + DJT. + "Lock Her Up." = It doesn't seem like this one is very pertinent any more in the age of social media. In any case, nothing the military is doing is protecting this right. Hasn't really been "at Risk" since 1860. The Atlantic Ocean does more to protect the 7th amendment than the 6th fleet does.
8th? I forget, who is it that does Waterboarding? Those are the people that are supposedly doing so to "Protect our freedoms!" Huh...
9th? Yeah, they're all over that individualism concept. That's the way the military operates, "we're an Army of 600,000 free thinkers" don't you watch the commercials?
10th? Yeah, that was the target of the Taliban and Al Queda, State's Rights! Yup. Thank GAWD, the military has spent down our national treasure protecting our sacred State's rights from the clutches of Saddam Hussein and a bunch of cave dwellers (who, BTW wouldn't have been able to carry out their plots and plans if the US Military hadn't poured gazillions of $ into both the fields of Aviation and Internet communication. Nor could the US Multinationals (read Exxon) have plundered nations and propped up despots in places such as Saudi Arabia without the help of the US Navy (which those corporations don't see any responsibility to pay for!))

Defending Freedom. You mean Defending Reddumb!

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