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« Reply #16020 on: February 26, 2018, 12:55:11 PM »

Do any of you think there is merit to these suits?

I don't mean in the arguments for why a different system would be better, but in the suits themselves - a reason for why one of them might win?
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/winner-take-all_electoral_college_system_is_unconstitutional_say_suits_by_b/
No. None.

Seems like a suit is pointless.
As was most of the rest of your response.

Which you didn't include or reply to its specific points, so I have to conclude you lack a counterargument or coherent alternative idea.  Let me know when the synapses start firing and you think of one.


If anything the 2016 election only strengthens the arguments for the Electoral College.
In his two successful elections Obama carried 28 and 26 states building on the democrat stronghold on each coast by taking key interior states.
Hillary only won 20 and won the popular vote thanks to California a state that is a dem stronghold with the advantage of no statewide race with a GOP candidate in 2016.
Hillary lost by blowing off blue stalwart Michigan and a few more midwestern states and Florida...all carried by Obama. You want to be President you better have a message for more than just your base. Oh, and dont demean those who disagree with you by calling them deplorable.

Well,  California did not vote, did it? She won the popular vote because more people voted for her, and since California is the most populous state and fairly liberal many of those people live there. What Clinton lost was the vote of livestock and arable land. Why we favor random geographic boundaries over actual people is the issue.
there is nothing random about borders. What is amazing is the democrats only pay attention to the people that agree with them.  The Electoral  College is not kind to that kind of thinking.
I am reminded of the old joke about a.peace treaty between Russia and Poland. A group of surveyors and military officers from both countries.were setting the border when they came to a farm that straddled both sides of the proposed border in equal parts. The surveyors and officers had agreed that any farm should not be divided between countries, but this farm, being equally divided, caused problems. They debated for some time without coming to any conclusion, when one of the surveyors said, let's ask the farmer which country he wants to be in.

So they knock on the farm door and out comes the farmer, a Russiaan man who does not speak or understand Polish. Sir, the ranking Russian officer confidently asked after.explaining the situation, do you want your farm to be in Russia or Poland? Without hesitation the farmer.answers, Poland.

The Russian officer is stunned. Poland? He asks, why Poland? You are Russian, your ancestors are Russian, you speak only Russian, your family speaks only Russian! Why Poland?

Well, the farmer replies, you see the Russian winters are just so cold.
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The people.Clinton called.deplorable.were racists, sexist, homophobes, Isalamaphobes and xenophobies. If you think she called you deplorable, which of those things are you?

Also, which of those things do you think we shouldn't deplore?
In other words you are as deplorable as she is.

In other words you as usual have no response, and are instead deflecting with a non sequitur. I have no problem calling racists,.sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies deplorable. Do You?
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
A funny comment given your.post immediately before.

So in other words you support racists,.sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies.
English must be a second language for you.
Precisely the dodge I would expect from someone who supports racists, sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies but is ashamed to admit it.
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« Reply #16021 on: February 26, 2018, 01:11:50 PM »

Do any of you think there is merit to these suits?

I don't mean in the arguments for why a different system would be better, but in the suits themselves - a reason for why one of them might win?
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/winner-take-all_electoral_college_system_is_unconstitutional_say_suits_by_b/
No. None.

Seems like a suit is pointless.
As was most of the rest of your response.

Which you didn't include or reply to its specific points, so I have to conclude you lack a counterargument or coherent alternative idea.  Let me know when the synapses start firing and you think of one.


If anything the 2016 election only strengthens the arguments for the Electoral College.
In his two successful elections Obama carried 28 and 26 states building on the democrat stronghold on each coast by taking key interior states.
Hillary only won 20 and won the popular vote thanks to California a state that is a dem stronghold with the advantage of no statewide race with a GOP candidate in 2016.
Hillary lost by blowing off blue stalwart Michigan and a few more midwestern states and Florida...all carried by Obama. You want to be President you better have a message for more than just your base. Oh, and dont demean those who disagree with you by calling them deplorable.

Well,  California did not vote, did it? She won the popular vote because more people voted for her, and since California is the most populous state and fairly liberal many of those people live there. What Clinton lost was the vote of livestock and arable land. Why we favor random geographic boundaries over actual people is the issue.
there is nothing random about borders. What is amazing is the democrats only pay attention to the people that agree with them.  The Electoral  College is not kind to that kind of thinking.
I am reminded of the old joke about a.peace treaty between Russia and Poland. A group of surveyors and military officers from both countries.were setting the border when they came to a farm that straddled both sides of the proposed border in equal parts. The surveyors and officers had agreed that any farm should not be divided between countries, but this farm, being equally divided, caused problems. They debated for some time without coming to any conclusion, when one of the surveyors said, let's ask the farmer which country he wants to be in.

So they knock on the farm door and out comes the farmer, a Russiaan man who does not speak or understand Polish. Sir, the ranking Russian officer confidently asked after.explaining the situation, do you want your farm to be in Russia or Poland? Without hesitation the farmer.answers, Poland.

The Russian officer is stunned. Poland? He asks, why Poland? You are Russian, your ancestors are Russian, you speak only Russian, your family speaks only Russian! Why Poland?

Well, the farmer replies, you see the Russian winters are just so cold.
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The people.Clinton called.deplorable.were racists, sexist, homophobes, Isalamaphobes and xenophobies. If you think she called you deplorable, which of those things are you?

Also, which of those things do you think we shouldn't deplore?
In other words you are as deplorable as she is.

In other words you as usual have no response, and are instead deflecting with a non sequitur. I have no problem calling racists,.sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies deplorable. Do You?
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
A funny comment given your.post immediately before.

So in other words you support racists,.sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies.
English must be a second language for you.
Precisely the dodge I would expect from someone who supports racists, sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies but is ashamed to admit it.
Actually my answer was so effective you copied it and pasted it as your answer to another post.
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« Reply #16022 on: February 26, 2018, 01:34:22 PM »

Do any of you think there is merit to these suits?

I don't mean in the arguments for why a different system would be better, but in the suits themselves - a reason for why one of them might win?
http://www.abajournal.com/news/article/winner-take-all_electoral_college_system_is_unconstitutional_say_suits_by_b/
No. None.

Seems like a suit is pointless.
As was most of the rest of your response.

Which you didn't include or reply to its specific points, so I have to conclude you lack a counterargument or coherent alternative idea.  Let me know when the synapses start firing and you think of one.


If anything the 2016 election only strengthens the arguments for the Electoral College.
In his two successful elections Obama carried 28 and 26 states building on the democrat stronghold on each coast by taking key interior states.
Hillary only won 20 and won the popular vote thanks to California a state that is a dem stronghold with the advantage of no statewide race with a GOP candidate in 2016.
Hillary lost by blowing off blue stalwart Michigan and a few more midwestern states and Florida...all carried by Obama. You want to be President you better have a message for more than just your base. Oh, and dont demean those who disagree with you by calling them deplorable.

Well,  California did not vote, did it? She won the popular vote because more people voted for her, and since California is the most populous state and fairly liberal many of those people live there. What Clinton lost was the vote of livestock and arable land. Why we favor random geographic boundaries over actual people is the issue.
there is nothing random about borders. What is amazing is the democrats only pay attention to the people that agree with them.  The Electoral  College is not kind to that kind of thinking.
I am reminded of the old joke about a.peace treaty between Russia and Poland. A group of surveyors and military officers from both countries.were setting the border when they came to a farm that straddled both sides of the proposed border in equal parts. The surveyors and officers had agreed that any farm should not be divided between countries, but this farm, being equally divided, caused problems. They debated for some time without coming to any conclusion, when one of the surveyors said, let's ask the farmer which country he wants to be in.

So they knock on the farm door and out comes the farmer, a Russiaan man who does not speak or understand Polish. Sir, the ranking Russian officer confidently asked after.explaining the situation, do you want your farm to be in Russia or Poland? Without hesitation the farmer.answers, Poland.

The Russian officer is stunned. Poland? He asks, why Poland? You are Russian, your ancestors are Russian, you speak only Russian, your family speaks only Russian! Why Poland?

Well, the farmer replies, you see the Russian winters are just so cold.
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The people.Clinton called.deplorable.were racists, sexist, homophobes, Isalamaphobes and xenophobies. If you think she called you deplorable, which of those things are you?

Also, which of those things do you think we shouldn't deplore?
In other words you are as deplorable as she is.

In other words you as usual have no response, and are instead deflecting with a non sequitur. I have no problem calling racists,.sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies deplorable. Do You?
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
A funny comment given your.post immediately before.

So in other words you support racists,.sexists, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies.
English must be a second language for you.
Precisely the dodge I would expect from someone who supports racists, sexist, homophobes, Islamaphobes and xenophobies but is ashamed to admit it.
Actually my answer was so effective you copied it and pasted it as your answer to another post.

Or I was mocking you....

Besides, I did not cut and paste. I.thumb typed it. I cannot copy and paste from my phone.
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« Reply #16023 on: February 26, 2018, 01:39:06 PM »


Police shootings are viewed differently than school shootings. They don't really call into question gun control the way a school shooting does. That some police shootings are very obviously wrong still won't give rise to the same kind of reaction.

In many ways, the youths in BLM are more brave than the Parkland students, but that won't win them popularity and even sharing this awareness will lead some to question their integrity.

That is unfortunate.
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« Reply #16024 on: February 26, 2018, 01:44:24 PM »

because we can all use a laugh:

https://www.sfgate.com/art/article/Imprecisely-worded-Photoshop-requests-yield-12704302.php
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« Reply #16025 on: February 26, 2018, 01:46:56 PM »

When they made the "Harry Potter" movies, J.K. Rowling said that they could only hire British actors, and they had to shoot the movies in England, from what I understand, she wanted to help the people of her homeland. But, they were allowed to do the Wizzarding World Of Harry Potter at Universal.

I have a script for a film that I helped to write, and I own it, and I decided that my film has to be made here in Hollywood, with American actors. I was contacted early on by a producer in Canada who wanted me to bring my project to Canada, and I told him that my project has to be made here in Hollywood, my script is a Hollywood script. I will shoot it here. I will make films in Italy later on, and stuff, but I want the project that I have now to be shot in Hollywood, and I want to help to create local jobs for Americans.

And other Americans need to do the same thing, when you invent a new product, or write a movie script, or whatever, demand that it be made here in the USA.

People also need to support American jobs by buying products which were made in America.

Salute,

Tony V.

If you were to take the Canadian offer, mightn't that give you a greater chance of having future projects produced where you would like them to be done, increasing total jobs?

I don't really know how the movie industry works, so my question could be totally off base, in which case I apologize.
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« Reply #16026 on: February 26, 2018, 02:11:24 PM »

I heard on the radio that the Supreme Court declined to hear the DACA case, leaving the lower court ruling intact that requires the government keep taking applications, which defanged the March 5th deadline.

I didn't find the story on the Fox News website's front page, so here is an NBC story about it
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/supreme-court-won-t-hear-daca-case-n851186
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« Reply #16027 on: February 26, 2018, 02:18:06 PM »

When they made the "Harry Potter" movies, J.K. Rowling said that they could only hire British actors, and they had to shoot the movies in England, from what I understand, she wanted to help the people of her homeland. But, they were allowed to do the Wizzarding World Of Harry Potter at Universal.

I have a script for a film that I helped to write, and I own it, and I decided that my film has to be made here in Hollywood, with American actors. I was contacted early on by a producer in Canada who wanted me to bring my project to Canada, and I told him that my project has to be made here in Hollywood, my script is a Hollywood script. I will shoot it here.
At which point the producer hung up and greenlighted.Sharknado VI.
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« Reply #16028 on: February 26, 2018, 02:21:12 PM »

Rasmussen isn’t a polling operation, it is technically a fluffer in the GOP torture porn production.

Red knows what he is and what people think of him. He knows why people are right to think what they think. It’s too late for him to change now, so he’s ready to misread simple English and to spew bile till his clock runs out.

Gun safety just might be the issue that splits the GOP. State level officials are making moves that are sowing panic in the NRA. I expect they will continue to give their bought and intimidated stooges no room to bend and no leave to come to the table. Playing to type isn’t going to help the GOP this cycle.
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« Reply #16029 on: February 26, 2018, 02:46:05 PM »

When they made the "Harry Potter" movies, J.K. Rowling said that they could only hire British actors, and they had to shoot the movies in England, from what I understand, she wanted to help the people of her homeland. But, they were allowed to do the Wizzarding World Of Harry Potter at Universal.

I have a script for a film that I helped to write, and I own it, and I decided that my film has to be made here in Hollywood, with American actors. I was contacted early on by a producer in Canada who wanted me to bring my project to Canada, and I told him that my project has to be made here in Hollywood, my script is a Hollywood script. I will shoot it here. I will make films in Italy later on, and stuff, but I want the project that I have now to be shot in Hollywood, and I want to help to create local jobs for Americans.

And other Americans need to do the same thing, when you invent a new product, or write a movie script, or whatever, demand that it be made here in the USA.

People also need to support American jobs by buying products which were made in America.

Salute,

Tony V.

If you were to take the Canadian offer, mightn't that give you a greater chance of having future projects produced where you would like them to be done, increasing total jobs?

I don't really know how the movie industry works, so my question could be totally off base, in which case I apologize.

That is not what J.K. Rowling did, she demanded jobs for the British right out of the gate, she started out making demands. She knew the quality of her work, and she set conditions on her own terms. And what if one film was all that she was able to make?

And I did not think twice about it, when the guy in Canada asked me to bring my project to Canada, I told him that my script is a Hollywood movie, and that it needs to be made in Hollywood.

Certainly J.K. Rowling already had the success of her book to back her up, but she still did it all on her own terms.

It would have been nice to have been working and making films this whole time since then however. I have wasted a lot of time just trying to get the money to make my movie. Almost twenty years. Maybe I should have went to Canada and I could have been working and getting money and experience, but it never entered my mind at the time. I had faith in Hollywood, and that I could make my movie here. Hollywood is not dead yet, I still plan to make my movie here.

Salute,

Tony V.

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« Reply #16030 on: February 26, 2018, 02:47:56 PM »

You cannot send all of the jobs to other nations, and buy all foreign made goods, and then get mad at the poor people for being unemployed.

We need to blame the people at the top, instead of blaming the poor guy on the bottom.

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« Reply #16031 on: February 26, 2018, 02:49:29 PM »

Sounds to me like this long-time conservative is calling out the "deplorables:"

There is nothing more freeing than telling the truth. And it must be done, again and again, by those of us who refuse to be absorbed into this brainless, sinister, clownish thing called Trumpism, by those of us who refuse to overlook the fools, frauds and fascists attempting to glide along in his slipstream into respectability.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/25/opinion/im-glad-i-got-booed-at-cpac.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-right-region&region=opinion-c-col-right-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-right-region
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« Reply #16032 on: February 26, 2018, 02:53:11 PM »

Red,

California pop: 39.5 million
Wyoming pop: 585,000

CA electoral: 55
Wyoming:       3

Why does a state with 70 times the population only have 18 times the electoral votes?

Please explain how this apportionment, where a WY vote is worth 4 CA votes, is fair and democratic.



Do away with miners, oil well drillers, and farmers and just have a paradise for illegal immigrants and politicians who cater to them? The big city elitist pitch of deplorable HRC.

---The states of the union existed before the Constitution, and in a practical sense, existed long before the revolution. Nothing guaranteed that, in 1776, the states would all act together, and nothing that guaranteed that after the Revolution they might not go their separate and quarrelsome ways, much like the German states of the 18th century or the South American republics in the 19th century. The genius of the Constitutional Convention was its ability to entice the American states into a “more perfect union.” But it was still a union of states, and we probably wouldn’t have had a constitution or a country at all unless the route we took was federalism.---
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« Reply #16033 on: February 26, 2018, 02:53:29 PM »

I heard on the radio that the Supreme Court declined to hear the DACA case, leaving the lower court ruling intact that requires the government keep taking applications, which defanged the March 5th deadline.

I didn't find the story on the Fox News website's front page, so here is an NBC story about it
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/supreme-court-won-t-hear-daca-case-n851186
A democrat obsession out of the election cycle.
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« Reply #16034 on: February 26, 2018, 02:56:18 PM »

Red,

California pop: 39.5 million
Wyoming pop: 585,000

CA electoral: 55
Wyoming:       3

Why does a state with 70 times the population only have 18 times the electoral votes?
Please explain how this apportionment, where a WY vote is worth 4 CA votes, is fair and democratic.


U.S. Constitution - Article 2 Section 1
BTW, Correct apportionment is California has 53 Times the Wyoming electoral vote.
See one-man one vote.

My figures are correct.  Why should a state with 70 times the population of Wyoming only have 18 times its electoral votes?   Why should arbitrary geographic factors mean that Wyoming adds three cow votes to each human vote?  Answer the question I actually asked.   Luee went to the trouble to supply an historical rationale for it, but why should election of a president follow this nowadays?  Each state still has 2 senators in the upper house, so it's not like Wyoming gets steamrollered.   
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