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« Reply #16260 on: February 28, 2018, 11:32:53 AM »

I found Adm.Rodgers comments about Trump's lack of orders to combat Russian hacking indefensible and totally damning of Trump.

I'm a partisan but at what point does outrage build in patriotic republicans who can no longer understand Trump's indifference to our national security being stripped away day by day?

Rogers says he has no authorization from the white house to do the work of protecting the 2018 elections from russian interference. the white house response was to blame obama! what? obama? how will obama be responsible for 2018? either the white house doesn't understand the job they are sworn to protect the country or they are working for the russians.

it's maybe not difficult to think that the latter is the case!

Also note, Rogers didn't just call out the lack of countermeasures in place for 2018 (or should we say, the lack of any attempt to implement countermeasures) he also called out Trump's unwillingness to put sanctions in place:

I believe that President Putin has clearly come to the conclusion there's little price to pay here, and that therefore I can continue this activity.

Straight up abdication of the responsibility of the President to defend our democracy.

Republicans in congress:  Shrug smiley face emojii.
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« Reply #16261 on: February 28, 2018, 11:39:12 AM »

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/indefensible-trump-russia-threatens-article-1.3845573

...after Sen. Jack Reed asked Rogers whether he had been directed either by Trump or Secretary of Defense Jim Mattis to confront Russian attacks at their point of origination: “No, I have not,” adding, “I haven’t been granted any, you know, additional authorities, capacity and capability, and — no, that’s certainly true.”

Coming from the sitting head of an intelligence agency, this is an extraordinary admission. The commander in chief is failing to issue the necessary orders to deter, much less disrupt, intrusions that could compromise the democratic process.

Long ago, Americans had good reason to doubt that Trump took the threat from Russia seriously. First, rejecting the consensus conclusion of U.S. intelligence agencies, he denied the Kremlin’s cyberattacks altogether. Then he downplayed the claims, giving credence to Vladimir Putin’s denials.

Even after Congress passed strong sanctions to punish the Kremlin for its meddling, the White House failed to put them in place.

Now, in the grips of furious paranoia about Robert Mueller’s investigation, Trump trains far more fire at Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration than he does on Putin’s hacking squads.

Two years ago, the Kremlin spread disinformation, stole emails from the Democratic National Committee and from Clinton’s campaign chairman, and breached state election systems (while changing no votes).

Yet after a series of scary break-ins, even as the crooks case the joint again, the President is leaving the back door unlocked.


yes, "unlocked".

and maybe that's on purpose. spare us the "no collusion" tweets!

"no collusion" seems to mean quite the opposite, in terms of the actions of this white house in the face of the fact that the russians have interfered with our democratic institutions and intend to keep on doing so.

impeachable offense.

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« Reply #16262 on: February 28, 2018, 11:43:15 AM »

I found Adm.Rodgers comments about Trump's lack of orders to combat Russian hacking indefensible and totally damning of Trump.

I'm a partisan but at what point does outrage build in patriotic republicans who can no longer understand Trump's indifference to our national security being stripped away day by day?







Rogers says he has no authorization from the white house to do the work of protecting the 2018 elections from russian interference. the white house response was to blame obama! what? obama? how will obama be responsible for 2018? either the white house doesn't understand the job they are sworn to protect the country or they are working for the russians.

it's maybe not difficult to think that the latter is the case!

Rodgers appeared pissed that he's working for an incompetent. Whether he's working for  traitor is wide open for speculation.

its getting harder to believe judging by Trump's words and (in)actions, that the Russians don't have a ton of blackmailable stuff on him, from hookers to money laundering. And now presumably Mueller is about to examine/expose the financial information.    
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« Reply #16263 on: February 28, 2018, 11:46:17 AM »

I found Adm.Rodgers comments about Trump's lack of orders to combat Russian hacking indefensible and totally damning of Trump.

I'm a partisan but at what point does outrage build in patriotic republicans who can no longer understand Trump's indifference to our national security being stripped away day by day?







Rogers says he has no authorization from the white house to do the work of protecting the 2018 elections from russian interference. the white house response was to blame obama! what? obama? how will obama be responsible for 2018? either the white house doesn't understand the job they are sworn to protect the country or they are working for the russians.

it's maybe not difficult to think that the latter is the case!

Rodgers appeared pissed that he's working for an incompetent. Whether he's working for  traitor is wide open for speculation.

its getting harder to not to believe supported by Trump's words and (in)actions, that the Russians have a ton of blackmailable stuff on him, from hookers to money laundering. And now presumably Mueller is about to examine/expose the financial information.    

and there is this now, too: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/27/in-thai-jail-after-sex-training-a-model-who-rattled-russian-elite-asks-u-s-for-help/?tid=pm_world_pop

A self-described sex expert whose videos highlighted the ties between one of Russia’s richest men and the Kremlin has been jailed in Thailand and is calling for U.S. help, claiming she has information about links between Russia and President Trump.

Anastasia Vashukevich, an escort service worker from Belarus who catapulted to a certain measure of fame after filming a yacht trip with Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska and Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Prikhodko, was detained in Thailand over the weekend in a police raid on her “sex training” seminar. While still in custody Tuesday, she published Instagram videos asking U.S. journalists and intelligence agencies to help her.

Deripaska, with whom Vashukevich said she had an affair, used to employ former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort.


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« Reply #16264 on: February 28, 2018, 12:00:25 PM »

more stuff:https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/roger-stones-secret-messages-with-wikileaks/554432/?google_editors_picks=true

Transcripts obtained by The Atlantic show Donald Trump's longtime confidante corresponded with the radical-transparency group.

On March 17, 2017, WikiLeaks tweeted that it had never communicated with Roger Stone, a longtime confidante and informal adviser to President Donald Trump. In his interview with the House Intelligence Committee last September, Stone, who testified under oath, told lawmakers that he had communicated with WikiLeaks via an “intermediary,” whom he identified only as a “journalist.” He declined to reveal that person’s identity to the committee, he told reporters later.

Private Twitter messages obtained by The Atlantic show that Stone and WikiLeaks, a radical-transparency group, communicated directly on October 13, 2016—and that WikiLeaks sought to keep its channel to Stone open after Trump won the election. The existence of the secret correspondence marks yet another strange twist in the White House’s rapidly swelling Russia scandal. Stone and Trump have been friends for decades, which raises key questions about what the president knew about Stone’s interactions with Wikileaks during the campaign. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.


yes. "what did the president know, and when did he know it?" that's a familiar question to some of us.
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« Reply #16265 on: February 28, 2018, 12:20:21 PM »


I figure he’s just resentful of the kid banging his daughter when in his heart of hearts he knows she should be his. And after all Roy Cohn did for him, what happened to this man’s loyalty?

Trump has surrounded himself with people who may not be as ruthlessly effective as Roy Cohn but they seem to be in the same self loathing mode.
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« Reply #16266 on: February 28, 2018, 12:25:44 PM »

I think it all raises the question:  how does one manage to blackmail Trump, a man who seems to have so much ugly baggage showing already?  I think Trump is stupider than we give him credit for.  He doesn't give orders on national security because he still frames reality as the pampered plutocrat:  I've got people who take care of that.  I needn't bother with it.  When various lackeys say "I did this without the President's knowledge or involvement," I think that is, pathetically enough, true.



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« Reply #16267 on: February 28, 2018, 12:32:00 PM »

I think it all raises the question:  how does one manage to blackmail Trump, a man who seems to have so much ugly baggage showing already?  I think Trump is stupider than we give him credit for.  He doesn't give orders on national security because he still frames reality as the pampered plutocrat:  I've got people who take care of that.  I needn't bother with it.  When various lackeys say "I did this without the President's knowledge or involvement," I think that is, pathetically enough, true.





I suspect you blackmail a guy like Trump not with pee-tapes, which may be embarrassing, but may not be illegal. You blackmail him with evidence of criminality. Such as may be documented with money laundering and tax evasion.
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« Reply #16268 on: February 28, 2018, 12:37:07 PM »

I don't think the Russians are interested in blackmail.

The Russian's deal is "I'll kill you!"

That is what makes Gates guilty plea interesting, for me. If anyone puts Putin in a bad light, it will be the last light they see.

I don't think Paul Manafort is unafraid of Mueller. I think he is more afraid of his Russian handlers.
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« Reply #16269 on: February 28, 2018, 12:40:48 PM »

Similarly,

I don't think the Russians help the Republicans in the mid terms. I think they work to create a sweep for Democrats. And then sow distrust in the results among the right wingers.

If it were me, and my aim was to disrupt the nation, that is the way I'd use the tools they're using.
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« Reply #16270 on: February 28, 2018, 12:44:17 PM »

I think it all raises the question:  how does one manage to blackmail Trump, a man who seems to have so much ugly baggage showing already?  I think Trump is stupider than we give him credit for.  He doesn't give orders on national security because he still frames reality as the pampered plutocrat:  I've got people who take care of that.  I needn't bother with it.  When various lackeys say "I did this without the President's knowledge or involvement," I think that is, pathetically enough, true.


I suspect you blackmail a guy like Trump not with pee-tapes, which may be embarrassing, but may not be illegal. You blackmail him with evidence of criminality. Such as may be documented with money laundering and tax evasion.

We already know Trump can be blackmailed with less.  See Stormy Daniels.

Also see this:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trump-a-playboy-model-and-a-system-for-concealing-infidelity-national-enquirer-karen-mcdougal

But I agree money laundering would be a far bigger stick and would better explain Trump's loyalties.
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« Reply #16271 on: February 28, 2018, 12:47:01 PM »

I don't think the Russians are interested in blackmail.

Its called "Kompomat" and its a known tool in Putin's tool box.
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« Reply #16272 on: February 28, 2018, 12:54:57 PM »

Money laundry seems like the most likely path, and also the most difficult to wield as an effective stick.  If Russians use that, they have to know how to reveal paper trails without compromising their own.
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« Reply #16273 on: February 28, 2018, 12:56:51 PM »

Similarly,

I don't think the Russians help the Republicans in the mid terms. I think they work to create a sweep for Democrats. And then sow distrust in the results among the right wingers.

If it were me, and my aim was to disrupt the nation, that is the way I'd use the tools they're using.

I agree in general, that the most destabilizing event for Americans is distrust in our institutions and core national values, imcluding fair elections (fair is broadly defined to exclude tampering by commie/fascist outsiders-fascist insiders are free to tamper on the fringes, see Chicago 1960, Florida 2000).

In 2016 Russia found itself (IMO) with a serendipitous situation, in that Putin hated Clinton and already had dirt on Trump. So they leverage what they had/saw as in their national interests.

And blackmail is part of the Russian FSB playbook, as is mixing a mean plutonium Bloody Mary.
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« Reply #16274 on: February 28, 2018, 01:09:42 PM »

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And blackmail is part of the Russian FSB playbook, as is mixing a mean plutonium Bloody Mary.

Banks:  As my previous quote indicates, I wonder how that works overseas, when your own nation's oligarchs are deeply involved.  If your American useful fool/victim calls your bluff and you then have to reveal paper trails that lead to the Kremlin to do so, then you potentially have a lot of Russian VIPs who can no longer travel abroad without being arrested.  I'm not saying I really understand how any of this works, just wondering what turning over that rock involves.  Is there a way to just throw lowly accountants under the bus, and then they plea bargain with the FBI and give up dirt on the President?  This is an area where I am woefully lacking in research.

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