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Question: As you look back on your elementary and high school education, is it your impression that children today get a better or worse education than you did?
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« on: April 16, 2007, 08:58:18 PM »

Discuss national education policy.
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« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2007, 01:55:57 PM »

The People's Stats


Ok, I did a little research. I have wrote many times that I believe most people are loving, caring people. I'm certain eyes have rolled at this thought, however I now have indisputable evidence that I am correct.


I wonder how people think. So I went to google and did a search. I put love up against hate.
War vs. Peace. Crime vs.Charity. Chocolate vs. Vanilla, Racism vs. Learn. What do people want?



Ding!!! Ding!!! Ding!!!


Love 908,000,000 vs. Hate 258,000,000
Wooooooo. As a fan, this is one of the greatest wins I have experienced. This here was the main event. Without question, when it comes to what people want, LOVE is the Heavyweight Champion Of The World.


War 594,000,000 vs. Peace 187,000,000
No surprise here. Too much war in this world. Many loving people going online to find out about it. People seeking peace has disappointing showing.


Crime 341,000,000 vs. Charity 96,700,000
Crime easily wins this battle. I look forward to the day when charity wins. I can't realistically imagine that any time soon.


Learn 599,000,000 vs. Racism 27,600,000
I doubt this epic battle will ever make headlines. An absolute slaughter. People are much more interested in educating themselves then they are thinking about racism. . Second only to love amongst all participants, these numbers certainly show the power of LEARN


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Chocolate 112,000,000 vs Vanilla 33,600,000
Upset of the night. Both participants could be difficult to spell, but I expected a much tougher battle.


In addition, to gauge the validity of our numbers, we searched a contender that wasn't on tonights card.


Sex 399,000,000


I did think sex had a chance to beat love. Happy to say, not even close. Love left
all contenders in the dust.


THE WRAP UP: People want love. No doubt. The numbers don't lie. They want to learn. They're concerned about war. Who can blame them? Crime is a major thought on people's minds. People are more concerned about hate then they are about peace. Incredibly people care more about chocolate then they care about charity. Just as surprisingly vanilla was a distant second. Lagging behind all the worthy participants, racism. People aren't interested in it.


LOVE & LEARN, spread the words !!!
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« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2007, 02:04:08 PM »

I found this info for all to see...

HOW MANY DID
COMMUNIST REGIMES MURDER?
By R.J. Rummel
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Note that I completed this study in November 1993 while still engaged in collecting democide data. Not all the democide totals I mention here may be complete, therefore. For all final estimates, see the summary table in Statistics of Democide.

In sum the communist probably have murdered something like 110,000,000, or near two-thirds of all those killed by all governments, quasi-governments, and guerrillas from 1900 to 1987. Of course, the world total itself it shocking. It is several times the 38,000,000 battle-dead that have been killed in all this century's international and domestic wars. Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.
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« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2007, 02:07:10 PM »

Figure 2 shows the major sources of death for those murdered under communism and compares this to world totals for each source for this century. A few of these sources require some clarification. Deaths through government terrorism means the killing of specific individuals by assassination, extrajudicial executions, torture, beatings, and such. Massacre, on the other hand, means the indiscriminate mass killing of people, as in soldiers machine gunning demonstrators, or entering a village and killing all of its inhabitants. As used here, genocide is the killing of people because of their ethnicity, race, religion, or language. And democide through deportation is the killing of people during their forced mass transportation to distant regions and their death as a direct result, such as through starvation or exposure. Democidal famine is that which is purposely caused or aggravated by government or which is knowingly ignored and aid to its victims is withheld.

As can be seen in the figure, communist forced labor was particularly deadly. It not only accounts for most deaths under communism, but is close to the world total, which also includes colonial forced labor deaths (as in German, Portuguese, and Spanish colonies). Communists also committed genocide, to be sure, but only near half of the world total. Communists are much less disposed to massacre then were many other noncommunist governments (such as the Japanese military during World War II, or the Nationalist Chinese government from 1928 to 1949). As can be seen from the comparative total for terrorism, communists were much more discriminating in their killing overall, even to the extent in the Soviet Union, communist China, and Vietnam, at least, of using a quota system. Top officials would order local officials to kill a certain number of "enemies of the people," "rightists", or "tyrants".

How can we understand all this killing by communists? It is the marriage of an absolutist ideology with the absolute power. Communists believed that they knew the truth, absolutely. They believed that they knew through Marxism what would bring about the greatest human welfare and happiness. And they believed that power, the dictatorship of the proletariat, must be used to tear down the old feudal or capitalist order and rebuild society and culture to realize this utopia. Nothing must stand in the way of its achievement. Government--the Communist Party--was thus above any law. All institutions, cultural norms, traditions, and sentiments were expendable. And the people were as though lumber and bricks, to be used in building the new world.

The link for Figure 2...

http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.FIG2.GIF
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« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2007, 02:11:28 PM »

Should information like that I just posted above be taught/shown in public schools and colleges? I think everyone should be aware of the very ugly history that communism has.
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« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2007, 02:18:10 PM »

Communism has been the greatest social engineering experiment we have ever seen. It failed utterly and in doing so it killed over 100,000,000 men, women, and children, not to mention the near 30,000,000 of its subjects that died in its often aggressive wars and the rebellions it provoked. But there is a larger lesson to be learned from this horrendous sacrifice to one ideology. That is that no one can be trusted with power.

HOW MANY DID
COMMUNIST REGIMES MURDER?
By R.J. Rummel
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« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2007, 04:54:06 PM »

What does this have to do with education in America? Roll Eyes
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« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2007, 05:35:29 PM »

Should information like that I just posted above be taught/shown in public schools and colleges? I think everyone should be aware of the very ugly history that communism has.
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« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2007, 06:15:59 PM »

The subject would be addressed in a political science class I would think or a civics class, possibly touched on in a history class, as well as many other political systems that failed.  The question is will democracy as it has been practiced in the USA survive the Bush Administration?
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« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2007, 06:31:28 PM »

I remember learning about the Soviet [e.g. Russian] system of Communism in both high school world history classes and later in university poli sci, American history and world history courses...hard to imagine that something wouldn't still be taught along these lines today.  The great watershed of change, World War I, which saw the end of most of the tattered royals of Europe and re-drew so many boundaries and created so many nation-states, included the rise of Communism out of Russia and into its sad satellites.  I can't imagine even the wildest & shaggiest & hairiest radical thinking of Communism as anything but a world scourge.  Weird indeed to see so many of our rightwing radicals getting sucked into the belief that 'liberals want Communism'.  As if!  Under the old Soviet system, the first people jailed, tortured, shot, banished, exiled and destroyed were the liberals...who, even in the worst of times and sorriest of places, still believed in human rights, personal freedom, and even representative government.  Beneath the prim & starchy facade of today's neocons are some former radicals...all they changed was their label.  Totalitarianism, no matter what its name, is oppression...whether it's packing the Supremes or dialing for oil dollars, you can't change their inner belief that one philosophy, one leader, one view of the world [theirs and theirs only] is the way to go.  It may be their way, but it sure God isn't mine. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2007, 06:32:28 PM »

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*Yet the probable number of murders by the Soviet Union alone--one communist country-- well surpasses this cost of war. And those murders of communist China almost equal it.

Of course you realize that all the government of China has to do is call in their IOU's from the US that the Son-of-a-Bush has permitted to accumulate under the name of free trade.

If you doubt this, check your closet and your drawers - no, not THOSE drawers, there's nothing there - and see how much of what you have bought comes from China.

Once we are bankrupt, we can all learn Mandarin.
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« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2007, 06:41:55 PM »

I need to have some time to review that website. It is on an education site, so is probably the baby of a poli-sci professor.

Among the subjects that MAY include this information would be World Geography, World History, and Government, which typically includes a smidgeon of information on other forms of government before spending the rest of the course discussing our form of democracy.

I will want to make some comparisons to population numbers, and I wonder what the other variables on Figure 2 are in addition to those labeled. The site is from Hawaii, so will have a slightly different take on communism than the mainland may have.

Yes, I agree that totalitarianism takes away the rights and freedoms of the individual. And, yes, it was often the liberals and educated folks, along with the royals and their cronies, who were put to death. Where communism failed was in their attempt to take their way of government outside their own borders. The army the needed to do that sucked up all the national resources that should have eliminated hunger and other needs for their population. We may be able to sit back, and say, But Our Way Survived, but if we continue in our world-wide aggressions and imperialistic ways, will we be able to survive? Or is that the lesson to be learned from these statistics.

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« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2007, 07:49:36 PM »

 Where communism failed was in their attempt to take their way of government outside their own borders.

Not just that. Communism failed because of more than one reason--It destroys incentive. Also, who wants to be told how their life will be run, and what they will do for support from the govt to survive? If communism IS so fabulous, why are people trying by the boatload to get away from that Cuban paradise? Communism IS also cruel and unjust to everyone associated with it---especially those that have the temerity resist it. It also has, indeed, always tried to export its ideology, and it has failed miserably in that aspect.

As you will see, the numbers I quoted in relation to death that IS associated with its existence are quite correct. Communism IS an abusive abomination, and it will never work. Only 'modern' liberals think that it will.
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« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2007, 08:50:42 PM »

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Capitalism is no shining star. It, too, is abusive. Look how long it took for employers and capitalists to get it through their thick heads that paying their workers a living wage would result in more consumerism for their products. I am reading Death in the Haymarket by James Green. Labor began to unite before the Civil War, and sought, first an ten hour day, and then an eight hour day. Why? To improve the education and family life of American workers. Labor unions are the reason why the middle class re-emerged in the last century. And, the middle class is the defining class of Americans. It is not the politician, the entertainers, or the CEOs that define American and project American values, it is the middle class. And, it is the middle class that so much of "corporate America" has targetted for extinction.

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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2007, 07:05:44 AM »

Just another Howley!

I've had time to check the site of R.J.Rommey, and found that he is somewhat of an avid anti-communist. His "statistics" on the deaths due to communism may be overstated to make his case. I am amused by his adventures into fiction-writing, and when I have time, may read one or two of his "books". They seems like they are in the tradition of Altas Shrugged by Ayn Rand, but they do involve time travel, which is a subject I enjoy, so it may be interesting to see how his heroes try to avert the need for communism to arise. I'm reading "Death in the Haymarket" by James Green, and it is pretty clear how socialism rose from the ranks of abused workers. Considering the conditions in the job market at the present, it would seem there are reasons to be concerned that the ideology could rise again to overthrow the domination of the wealthy capaitalists.
 
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