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« on: April 16, 2007, 08:58:57 PM »

Share your thoughts on gay rights in America.
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2007, 05:56:19 AM »

Share your thoughts on gay rights in America.

Washington Post
Saturday, April 21, 2007; A16

GAY AND LESBIAN couples in New Hampshire took a step closer to gaining
official recognition of their relationships when Gov. John Lynch (D) said
this week he would sign legislation to establish civil unions in the Granite
State. "I believe it is a matter of conscience, fairness and preventing
discrimination," he said Thursday. We agree. Other states should follow
suit.

It seems gay marriage and civil unions are taking root in the Northeast.
Massachusetts is the only state in the union to make gay marriage legal.
Vermont, Connecticut and New Jersey have instituted civil unions. New
Hampshire will do the same next week if its state Senate follows the House's
approval of legislation that allows homosexual couples "to enter spousal
unions and have the same rights, responsibilities, and obligations as
married couples." Limited domestic partnerships are provided for in Maine,
Hawaii and the District of Columbia. California has domestic partnership
that offers almost all the state-level benefits of marriage.

As we have said, there is no reason homosexual couples in loving and
committed relationships should not be recognized by their states and have
the rights and responsibilities that go with that recognition. Gay marriage
would be optimal. But the adoption of civil unions and domestic partnerships
by some states is a good thing. Good because the experience of those states
will show their residents and others around the country that there is
nothing to fear from granting gay and lesbian couples rights such as
hospital visitation. Good because -- just maybe -- opponents will see that
gay marriage or similar arrangements are no threat to heterosexual marriage.

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« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2007, 03:20:28 AM »

OK, this is a new one:

"Ex-gays" campaigning AGAINST civil rights protections based on sexual orientation. 

"We call upon Congress to promote legislation that affirms authentic equality and protects our religious freedoms." he said, adding that the legislation "says that we, as former homosexuals, are of less value and worth less legal protection now then when we were living as homosexuals."

I guess they figure that now that they're ex-gay, they have no sexual orientation at all...

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/04/042407hate.htm
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2007, 07:10:56 AM »

OK, this is a new one:

"Ex-gays" campaigning AGAINST civil rights protections based on sexual orientation. 

"We call upon Congress to promote legislation that affirms authentic equality and protects our religious freedoms." he said, adding that the legislation "says that we, as former homosexuals, are of less value and worth less legal protection now then when we were living as homosexuals."

I guess they figure that now that they're ex-gay, they have no sexual orientation at all...

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon07/04/042407hate.htm

Unbelievable.
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2007, 09:35:18 AM »

This is a printer-friendly version of an article from the Concord Monitor at http://www.concordmonitor.com.

Article published Apr 26, 2007
No plebiscite needed: Lynch right on unions
   

Monitor staff
Apr 26, 2007

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righteous refrain, heard before in debates over school funding, casino gambling and gay marriage, is being sounded once again by opponents of civil unions. "Let the people decide!" cries the chorus of those who want a public vote to decide the issue. But that's not how the system works.

New Hampshire is probably the most representative democracy on Earth. Its 1.3 million residents are represented by a governor, 424 legislators and a five-member Executive Council. It neither is nor should be a referendum state, where laws are routinely adopted or discarded with a popular vote.

In 1999, the state Supreme Court unanimously rejected then-Gov. Jeanne Shaheen's plan to hold a referendum to decide how to raise money to pay for schools. Referendum supporters cited Article 28 of the state constitution, which says no tax should be levied "without the consent of the people."

That sounds straightforward enough. But citizens give that consent, the court ruled, by voting for legislators and granting them "full power and authority (to) make, ordain, and establish, all manner of wholesome and reasonable" laws and tax decisions.

The state constitution balances power among the people, the Legislature and the chief executive. The "consent of the people" phrase, the court said, appears elsewhere in the document. If interpreted broadly, it could be used to submit any law to a public vote. That would not be constitutional, in accord with history and case law, or wise.
Voters, with the concurrence of the governor and two-thirds of the Legislature, have the power to amend the constitution. Other than that, power to make laws resides in elected officials answerable to the people.

About a third of the 400-member House changes every two years. Work hard and stick around long enough, and pretty much anyone can take a seat and push the red and green voting buttons in Representatives Hall to enact or reject laws.

Civil union opponents overstate their case when they claim that the public is on their side. Poll numbers vary and, as always, depend on how the question is phrased. But the state appears to be roughly evenly split on the issue, with women far more likely to support civil unions than men. Most people probably spend little or no time worrying about the issue since it doesn't affect them.

The fate of a bill that will make New Hampshire the fourth state to legalize civil unions now rests with the Senate, which is nearly certain to pass it, and Gov. John Lynch. He was right to let the debate play out before making his position clear. That helped to assure a fairer hearing for opponents of the bill.

Now Lynch has announced that he will sign rather than veto the bill or let it become law without his signature.

"I believe it is a matter of conscience, fairness and preventing discrimination," Lynch said.

His approval will help the state ease into a transition that was right and inevitable. The march toward equal rights for all can be slowed or dealt setbacks, but it can't and shouldn't be stopped.

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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2007, 11:24:15 AM »

Thankfully it's still 46-4
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2007, 01:30:57 PM »

Thankfully it's still 46-4

You are a homophobe or a bigot?
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2007, 02:40:21 PM »

Coutesy of Andrew Sullivan:

Ancient text shows 'gay activist'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/manchester/6593281.stm

The battle for gay rights may have been fought more than two centuries before the UK legalisation of homosexuality.
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2007, 03:37:45 PM »

Thankfully it's still 46-4

You are a homophobe or a bigot?



Depends on how you choose to define it.  I am certainly not in favor of gay marriage.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2007, 03:46:18 PM »

Thankfully it's still 46-4

You are a homophobe or a bigot?



Depends on how you choose to define it.  I am certainly not in favor of gay marriage.

Whats the big deal with allowing gay people to marry kid?  How does it harm you?
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2007, 03:50:10 PM »

Kid's afraid it will take the thrill out of gay sex..... 
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2007, 03:50:59 PM »

So, tell me - what are the benefits?  Mostly a self-esteem (look at how far we have come, what we can accomplish) thing - or more financial?

And are you just taking the other side to promote discourse - or do you feel strongly in favor of what the select states have done?
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2007, 03:55:00 PM »

So, tell me - what are the benefits?  Mostly a self-esteem (look at how far we have come, what we can accomplish) thing - or more financial?

Federal Benefits include:

  • Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
  • Bereavement Leave
  • Immigration
  • Insurance Breaks
  • Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
  • Sick Leave to Care for Partner
  • Social Security Survivor Benefits
  • Sick Leave to Care for Partner
  • Tax Breaks
  • Veteran’s Discounts
  • Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison

State level Benefits include:

  • Assumption of Spouse’s Pension
  • Automatic Inheritance
  • Automatic Housing Lease Transfer
  • Bereavement Leave
  • Burial Determination
  • Child Custody
  • Crime Victim’s Recovery Benefits
  • Divorce Protections
  • Domestic Violence Protection
  • Exemption from Property Tax on Partner’s Death
  • Immunity from Testifying Against Spouse
  • Insurance Breaks
  • Joint Adoption and Foster Care
  • Joint Bankruptcy
  • Joint Parenting (Insurance Coverage, School Records)
  • Medical Decisions on Behalf of Partner
  • Certain Property Rights
  • Reduced Rate Memberships
  • Sick Leave to Care for Partner
  • Visitation of Partner’s Children
  • Visitation of Partner in Hospital or Prison
  • Wrongful Death (Loss of Consort) Benefits

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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2007, 04:10:42 PM »

Don't let kid off the hook.  He avoided answering my query (lol).

What harm to you?
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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2007, 04:16:42 PM »

Hahah - it's alright, Kam - you already paint me as a homophobe, as someone who gets the willynillys when around a gay person, who wishes them all gone from the face of the earth.

Continue with that.  History has shown teh liberals prefer that notion, not what is actually true.

And to answer your question - it's more for my kids - and thier kids.  I envision straight people being a minority if things are allowed to snowball in the legal system.

To which some of you will say, "so, what's wrong with that?"

Sorry - just not a world I am in favor of at all. 
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