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« Reply #1095 on: June 11, 2008, 09:17:20 PM »

http://nobelprize.org/mediaplayer/index.php?id=721
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« Reply #1096 on: June 11, 2008, 11:12:25 PM »

Don't put California in the confirmed list for legalizing same sex marriages.  The issue will be on the ballot this November, and California has a large white, black, and Latino contingent that vigorously oppose same sex marriage/civil union.  This hot button issue, like abortion, the death penalty, taxes, and etc., is not going down without a fight by the opposition, using all the spin that can be dredged up.

I have a cousin on my father's side who is a Baptist missionary in central Mexico.  Been down there some 30 years.  He sends me copies of e-mails (besides our personal ones) between him and his church.  From the e-mail I got this morning, the Baptists everywhere in the world are gearing up to influence the California vote.

Will you thank him for me?
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« Reply #1097 on: June 12, 2008, 09:27:07 AM »

Heterosexual child molesters:

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080612_2_women_charged_in_sexual_sleepover_with_teen_boys.html
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"That guy over there played with Ty Cobb," said Phillies bench coach Jimy Williams, pointing to Chase Utley. "He's been here before."  quoted in the Boston Globe
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« Reply #1098 on: June 12, 2008, 09:43:59 AM »

No I won't, Kid.  I deleted the e-mail and do not intend to address the issue in any way with my missionary cousin.  He is under the impression (as is my sister, a Jehovah Witnesses) that I can be "redeemed."  This is not true, but they are ever hopeful because they love me and want the "best" for me (which would be everlasting life.)  As far as I know everlasting life does not include libraries that are uncensored, so I would opt out for that reason alone.

And, no I'm not going to try to reform you regarding the gay question.
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« Reply #1099 on: June 12, 2008, 10:04:55 AM »

Kid labors under the delusion that people choose to be gay.
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« Reply #1100 on: June 12, 2008, 11:08:05 AM »

Alas, Utley, most homophobes believe that.

Curious about thing about predisposition.  Why, from a very early age does my great grand daughter reject any food that don't contain noodles and/or cheese?  Thank the gods she loves fresh fruit and scrambled eggs.  She's 4 and shows no signs of change.  No one taught her this.  Our greater family is all over the place with food and usually will try anything once.
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« Reply #1101 on: June 13, 2008, 09:31:26 PM »

It harks back to something Bob said in discussion about The bin Ladens.

If they,(the bL's) have 70 some half-brothers they don't always recognize when meeting in person, Bob thought a good example might be Italians who developed the custom in America of sharing the family dwelling, a generation per floor. This keeps on expanding laterally as each generation marries.

Your  great grand daughter has adapted a somewhat Italian diet. Perhaps a lateral household somewhere in another generation. I'm just kidding  because my son went kitty corner across the street and his best friend Gonzalo was in the habit of eating scrambled white of eggs without yolks. This habit stuck with my son, who eventually getting to California found it was "the thing".

Besides while she eats the noodles and cheese, you eat the tomatoes. (And, sometimes the noodles....) I found a recipe this week that has all in one dish, noodles,eggs,cheese, bits of sun-dried tomatoes, turns into an omelette or quiche. But, now I think that I will go eat the strawberries that I marinated in kirsch overnight.
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« Reply #1102 on: June 14, 2008, 04:15:11 AM »

Donotremove, this last section, “Losing Alexandria (1987-1990's)” very well written—summing up the present situation with some sobering words:

“It is probably a measure of my own NYC brand of provincialism that as the Nineties wound to a close I was surprised at just how deeply the anti-gay hate of the Eighties had intimidated younger gay people.   By the beginning of the millennium many gay opinion-makers (most, it seemed)  - columnists, celebrities, academics, politicians and organizations - had experienced a dramatic sea change, and gay rights, though still wrapped in a tissue of liberal rhetoric, had become a desperately conservative, hetero-normative package.  Though the term "queer" had been reclaimed, politically many homosexuals were anything but that, rather they were ardently conformist, promoting themselves as we're-almost-het-like-you to the American public.  Gay rights was about adopting traditional heterosexual values and patterns.  Sadly, the articulation of these goals on gay computer sites and Internet forums also reveals a surprising amount of internalized homophobia as part of the motivation.  There was a time when gay personals adverts that used the tag "straight-acting" were criticized; now it is the tag for merchandising gay rights to the general public.”

http://www.nycnotkansas.com/ContAlex.htm
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« Reply #1103 on: June 14, 2008, 04:35:11 AM »

"The world has changed. Some gay people are straighter than my parents."

John Waters, New York Times
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« Reply #1104 on: June 14, 2008, 06:18:24 AM »

Puge, this is exactly where I part company with NotKansas' views, the "normative" thing. Looks like to me--and what do I know?--gays ARE, in their maturity after the wildness of youth that everyone experiences gay or straight, just like everyone else in their needs and desires and goals of a meaningful life. No?

Some famous gays make a "life" of being gay, like some blacks make a "life" of being black, but the gays I know are just like me except for the sexual preference.
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« Reply #1105 on: June 15, 2008, 02:07:11 PM »

Gore Vidal's final memoir

http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Abroad/0,,2-1225-1243_2047942,00.html

Los Angeles - Gore Vidal bats a large purring cat off his lap in the living room of his home in the Hollywood Hills as he argues, whiskey in hand, that America's Puritan attitudes on sex has made it "the dumbest country on earth."

At age 81, Vidal is not known as the national scold for nothing. There are few fights the famed novelist, playwright and polemicist has shied away from over the last 50 or 60 years and in this case, it is hostile American attitudes toward homosexuality that draws his ire.

He has been open about his sexuality for years but refuses to be defined by it.

"They say sexual activity is the equivalent of human identity. What a crazy notion. If you are a vegetarian, does that mean you are the enemy of all meat eaters. Does that mean that every time a vegetarian sees meat served, he kills butchers or smashes up restaurants?"
An attack on homophobia morphs into a tale about the 19th century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli and then into a warning that the US economy will collapse.

A collector of people and wicked or revealing tales about them, Vidal can sound like he knew someone even if a century separates them as when his talk about how homosexuals are demonized leads him to think of the troubles Disraeli had as the biggest outsider ever named prime minister of Britain.

"He was a Jew who converted to the Church of England but was still a Jew as far as the Archbishop of Canterbury was concerned. Disraeli was visited by the Archbishop who told him 'We are a bit disturbed about your religion. You were born a Jew but were confirmed an Anglican. You will be appointing bishops, so may we ask you what your personal religion is?'

"Disraeli replied, 'All wise men have the same religion. As to what it is, all wise men never say.'"

That is Vidal's way of saying he will only go so far in revealing his personal life and no further.

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« Reply #1106 on: June 16, 2008, 05:49:28 AM »

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There’s a Harvard Business School…
Way out there in Kansas

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« Reply #1107 on: June 16, 2008, 05:51:44 AM »

Kid labors under the delusion that people choose to be gay.

What's your excuse, doughnut puncher?


I think deciding to put something where it doesn't belong qualifies as a choice
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« Reply #1108 on: June 16, 2008, 02:20:10 PM »

No I won't, Kid.  I deleted the e-mail and do not intend to address the issue in any way with my missionary cousin.  He is under the impression (as is my sister, a Jehovah Witnesses) that I can be "redeemed."  This is not true, but they are ever hopeful because they love me and want the "best" for me (which would be everlasting life.)  As far as I know everlasting life does not include libraries that are uncensored, so I would opt out for that reason alone.

And, no I'm not going to try to reform you regarding the gay question.

What gay question?
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« Reply #1109 on: June 16, 2008, 02:23:06 PM »

Kid labors under the delusion that people choose to be gay.

Some do

Some are coerced into their first experience

Most, I feel, are naturally pulled in that direction.

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