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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kidcarter8]

Back to Haliburton -

he does deliver a pass well.  And understands spacing, which is an underrated trait.  Frank gets himself or a teammate in bad spots too often.

I retract on the Frank comp, while pointing out what a grand DIS you felt that was (relaying your thoughts indirectly on FN).  The point was there is little french pastry - little making something from nothing - and thus the upside to spectacular is not there with TyH.
 
Could the scoring on things other than layups and open Js (what I call scoring when guarded) come with time? I suppose it can, yes.  But my feeling is you think Ty's ceiling is Chris Paul-like - and while I never like to place limits on athletes, I dont see this as a high percentage play.

Meanwhile, hard for me to pull for Sac too much with Vlade out the door.  Would have liked to have seen him succeed there.

[kidcarter8]

Guys - no offense - I like the trade talk as much as the next guy - but with Thibs system implanted bringing in new guys midstream not something that is happening

Times for Knicks to deal -

- Offseason
- Trade deadline if we think we are
a)  getting a  future asset for cap relief
b) strengthening for a push toward top ten in East

Big decision seemed to be looming on Randle but I am thinking we keep him at this point - at least into the summer.
Will Burks be a Marcus Morris-like cash in? 
And do we deal Frank/Dennis ahead of when we need to decide on matching?  (at this point it would appear both are gone)

Lets enjoy this group of - ahem - sorry - VETS and kids.  They work.  That makes them the pride of NY.  Thibs, in six games, has us back to that.  Now - avoid 3+ game losing streaks.

[chipstern]

Absurdly one-sided.

How about something like:
Hield & Bagley for Randle & Knox + Burks and Smith.

Kings get more scoring and passing from their PF.
So Randle and TyH help Fox run the halfcourt.
Burks helps as vet SG to steady things if TyH gets overwhelmed at times.
Knox and Franc give them some yute wildcards.

Knix get a legit sniper in Hield, a significant SG upgrade.
A very young interesting Big Man rotation of Bagley/ObiT/Mitch.
(Bags turns 22 in 2 months).
Hield 27, should be entering his prime.  Randle a year younger.

Salaries match:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yabfwnw9
I had to put in Franc instead of Burks since Burks can't be traded until Feb 5.

The core of the trade is Randle & Knox for Bagley & Hield.
It gives us 3-Pt shooting we don't have.  And a yute upgrade over Knox.
I'm just not sure of the focus and passion Bags and Buddy bring.
Would need to count on Thibs to toughen them up and keep them sharp.
Or stick with Randle.

Could tweak the trade by Knix giving Franc instead of Smith (if Kings want a little more) or Bullock instead of Burks (if you think we're giving too much).

Nonsensical. 

[bodiddley]

Could the scoring on things other than layups and open Js (what I call scoring when guarded) come with time? I suppose it can, yes.  But my feeling is you think Ty's ceiling is Chris Paul-like - and while I never like to place limits on athletes, I dont see this as a high percentage play..

Chris Paul?  Huh?  Where'd you pull that from?
The guy has played 5 NBA games.  Who's talking HoF level.
And I don't even think he's a PG.
More of a combo guard, a play-making SG.

TyH looks like he knows what he's doing on both ends.
And the results so far have been good.
I like his poise.  Looks like a solid starter down the road.
He's a rook, so a lot to learn, a lot to work on; but he already looks savvy and like he belongs.  Nice player.

[chipstern]

NY 3-3

Dallas 2-4

Luka out with a left quad contusion. 

I see that there has been some internet dissing of Steph Curry. 

He had a pretty good answer last night. 

30+Plus in two consecutive halves. 

How anyone can have the cheek to blow off Steph Curry is beyond me. 

HE ONLY WON BECAUSE HE HAD SUPERSTARS ON HIS TEAM. 

Let's see how Durant does this year without Steph, meaning no disrespect to Kevin. 

Last I checked, hoops was a TEAM GAME. 

As for Steph, and the GOAT, as Kerr pointed out, he us not a physical freak.  Only 6'3" 180.  Nothing but skill and a laser focus. 

[chipstern]

Could the scoring on things other than layups and open Js (what I call scoring when guarded) come with time? I suppose it can, yes.  But my feeling is you think Ty's ceiling is Chris Paul-like - and while I never like to place limits on athletes, I dont see this as a high percentage play..

Chris Paul?  Huh?  Where'd you pull that from?
The guy has played 5 NBA games.  Who's talking HoF level.
And I don't even think he's a PG.
More of a combo guard, a play-making SG.

TyH looks like he knows what he's doing on both ends.
And the results so far have been good.
I like his poise.  Looks like a solid starter down the road.
He's a rook, so a lot to learn, a lot to work on; but he already looks savvy and like he belongs.  Nice player.

TH has game. 

And a positive attitude to go with his skills. 

[kidcarter8]

Chris Paul?  Huh?  Where'd you pull that from?
The guy has played 5 NBA games.  Who's talking HoF level.
And I don't even think he's a PG.
More of a combo guard, a play-making SG.

Then what the F are we talking about?  Why are you even bringing Ty H up on the board if you dont think he can be a top player?

Nobody is saying he isnt league viable (which of course would make him a good King)

Yes.  I brought up Paul, since the skillset, minus the shot creation is a bit similar (sees floor, seems he may be able to lead in time, etc).  I didnt bring up a Trae Young - for obvious reasons - that they are so different offensively (and likely the other end as well).  But yes, Paul fits in the convo - as does a guy like Jrue.  If this isnt what you see Haliburton achieving, we're certainly cool.  but that would be top of the pops for him.

[kidcarter8]

A couple more posts and we should ask Josh for a separate Ty H forum - or maybe call it ROOKIES

[kidcarter8]

Let's see how Durant does this year without Steph, meaning no disrespect to Kevin.


(Francessa voice)   Careful....

[kidcarter8]

Funny this cimp comes up

My son actually came to me with a question the other day - I guess he and his buds were discussing

who has been more transformative (with regards to the league) - KD or Curry?

[kidcarter8]

By the way - by definition, Bo - combo guard is a point guard

You cant be combo without being able to run a team (see what Rivers did the other day)

And you cant be combo if you cant shoot it well (see Frank maybe being not long for the league as any type guard, maybe being a defending specialist such as a much lesser Matthis Thybule.

[facilitatorn]

No trading Randle, thanks. Fringe pieces and picks to upgrade the 8,9,or 10 spots in our rotation.

A little mayhem is good. We don’t want to finish higher than 9th seed.

[Kam]

Keep the main pieces for now.

The only trades I would make (and even then I would not be initiating them but open to decent offers) would be draft picks for DSJ and Frank.

[kidcarter8]

Little bit of horseshit going down in HOU

Great game start in the Luka-Harden matchup - and Cousins is fucking ejected early quarter 2.

Jeeeee-zus, ref.

[Jack Straw]

WOW! totally not used to enjoying watching the Knicks... unbelievable!