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[Hairy Lime]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

[Hairy Lime]

November 29, 1947: The UN General Assembly passes UN Resolution 181, which calls for the partition of Palestine into a Jewish state and an Arab state.

November 30, 1947: Palestinian Arabs ambush a bus carrying Jewish passengers near Lod (Lydda), an attack often cited as the start of the civil war in Palestine.

December 2, 1947: The Arab Higher Committee, the leading organizer of the Palestinian Arab nationalist movement in Jerusalem, announces a three-day strike against the partition plan. Riots break out in the city, and violence between Arabs and Jews escalates.

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Well there you go.
Simple really.
If only...
Oh well, they didn't, so the wars began.

If only what? They had agreed to having the UN take their and and divide it up in clear violation of the UN"s stated principle of self-determination and which dispossessed their people of their lands and homes? Palestinians were 60% of the population and owned 90% of the land, and were being forced from half of it. Of COURSE they fucking objected. So would you. And despite the 76 years sine the partition, you would still be pissed about it to this day.

And about Israel's acceptance of the mandate?

"I see in the realization of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of fl redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.

- David Ben Gurion.

That was in reference to an earlier plan of partition (from the League of Nations, in a Resolution that referred to the 90% of the population of Palestine as the "existing non-Jewish population" which shows that disregarding the humanity of Palestinians did not begin with bigots and haters like you) but the Palestinians fully knew that Zionist leadership wanted a Jewish state that encompassed all of Palestine, "from the river to the sea" as some would phrase it.

[jmmengel]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

[facilitatorn]

Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

The first step to Israeli survival is dumping Bibi. The second step is abandoning settlements. The third step is making amends to the people of Palestine.

[Hairy Lime]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye. I am saying the UN ignoring the right to self-determination for the Palestinians has created an untenable situation.  And Israelis are about as far from blameless as the Palestinians are.

And my sympathies are with the Palestinians, not Hamas. I just do not think that removing them from the playing field would result in a just solution,  but rather one where the just grievances of the Palestinians continue to be ignored. Those grievances will rise again, and violently, if they continue to be ignored. If people are not heard in a political way, they find another way. It is what happens to a dream deferred.

[jmmengel]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye.

A complete distortion of history.  Israel has always been willing to coexist with people who agree not to live in peace.
Regrettably the arrival of Hamas has taken that solution off the table in Gaza.

[Oiled]

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye. I am saying the UN ignoring the right to self-determination for the Palestinians has created an untenable situation.  And Israelis are about as far from blameless as the Palestinians are.

And my sympathies are with the Palestinians, not Hamas. I just do not think that removing them from the playing field would result in a just solution,  but rather one where the just grievances of the Palestinians continue to be ignored. Those grievances will rise again, and violently, if they continue to be ignored. If people are not heard in a political way, they find another way. It is what happens to a dream deferred.

[Oiled]

And anyone who is not the reigning monarch of Straw Man sophistry would acknowledge you are not saying anyone is a good guy in this three-quarter-century goatfuck.  Red loves to waste peoples time.

[Hairy Lime]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye.

A complete distortion of history.  Israel has always been willing to coexist with people who agree not to live in peace.

Yes, provided they leave like you advocate and let Israel control all of Palestine from the river to the sea, just like Ben Gurion envisioned.

[jmmengel]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye.

A complete distortion of history.  Israel has always been willing to coexist with people who agree not to live in peace.

Yes, provided they leave like you advocate and let Israel control all of Palestine from the river to the sea, just like Ben Gurion envisioned.

I don

[Hairy Lime]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye.

A complete distortion of history.  Israel has always been willing to coexist with people who agree not to live in peace.

Yes, provided they leave like you advocate and let Israel control all of Palestine from the river to the sea, just like Ben Gurion envisioned.

I don

Your gay apparel?

[Yankguy1]

Going back in time to strangle Gavrillo Princip in his crib. Which is more workable than yours.

A laughable redirection of the argument.

Only if you want to ignore history and the historical context of what is happening in Israel and Palestine. Which is convenient for you.

Hardly. Your selective use of historical facts cannot make the Arabs the good guys, if you will.
The partition of Palestine was a political decision by world leaders after World War Two.
The Arabs have bitterly disagreed but by choosing violence to protest have made Israel into a world power out of its  need to survive.
Now as more Arab nations seek more peaceful solutions comes Hamas, with no allies, save Iran.
Their tactics have guaranteed the deaths of its own citizens, many of which are deliberately used as targets  so as to engender world sympathy.
Hamas is evil. Arabs shun it. Israel, as it has done for 75 years, will  do what it needs to survive.

I am not arguing anyone is a good guy. Not after 76 years of eye for eye.

A complete distortion of history.  Israel has always been willing to coexist with people who agree not to live in peace.

Yes, provided they leave like you advocate and let Israel control all of Palestine from the river to the sea, just like Ben Gurion envisioned.

I don

Your gay apparel?

Actually it looks like the words "vote for" were omitted between "I" and "don"

[jmmengel]

I do not advocate anything in Gaza until Israel wipes out Hamas completely.