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Russia will gain eastern Ukraine territories and hold them, as it has Crimea

5 (45.5%)

Russia will temporarily gain eastern Ukraine territories before being forced out of them

2 (18.2%)

Efforts to confront the Russian forces and get them out of Ukraine will lead to Putin's escalating and attacking NATO countries directly with missiles or other destructive measures

0 (0%)

The NATO/World response will be so mild that Putin will go ahead and take the rest of Ukraine

3 (27.3%)

Today Ukraine, tomorrow Moldova and who knows where else

1 (9.1%)

Total Members Voted: 10

Voting closed: March 01, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

[Holly Martins]

"I am the very model of a Russian Major-General
I've been shot by snipers, Javelins, and rockets fired aerial
I lose the tanks of Moscow, as farmers laugh hysterical
From Donetsk to Odessa, we are fighting terrible"

I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters that are tactical,
Not that Moscow pays attention to facts that are more factual ,
About our massive losses I am teeming with a lot o' news
With many ugly stats on how our troops all got abuse...

[kidcarter8]

How soon before Tucker Carlson negotiates a peaceful settlement?

Is this his job?

[facilitatorn]

http://www.lawfareblog.com/supplying-arms-ukraine-not-act-war

Doesn't matter what the (totally rational) Law Fare Blog says - if Putin wants to pretend that is casus belli, who is there to stop him? Same as the made up "atrocities" caused by Zelensky, etc.

Let it be known that when the first piece of shrapnel bounces across the Polish or Romanian border, that NATO will immediately kinetically disarm all of Russia west of Kazan. Then we should remind him that we can do this because our military has been ripping us of and not the other way around, as it is done in Russia.

[LarryBnDC]

No troops, no planes, no drones, some springfields, and a stoppage of buying Russian oil and no big macs. Putin is not scared. How about a drone attack on the Kremlin? End this mess in a hurry and save lives. Biden is such a sissy boy!

Go back to sleep, Rip

[facilitatorn]

http://www.salon.com/2022/03/13/geopolitics-and-the-ukraine-conflict-a-tale-of-putin-xi-jinping--and-hitler_partner/

[josh]

In 2011, three American researchers revealed an eye-opening finding derived from data on the US bombing campaign during the Vietnam War.

Their discovery: the more bombs that were dropped on South Vietnamese hamlets in 1969, the likelier the Viet Cong insurgents were to end up controlling the territory afterward. As Cornell University professor Thomas Pepinsky noted then, "Killing civilians is unjust, but our research shows that it is also bad strategy."

Two years later, historian Richard Overy concluded that the targeting of European cities in World War II was also a military failure -- "strategic bombing proved in the end to be inadequate in its own terms for carrying out its principal assignments and was morally compromised by deliberate escalation against civilian populations."

[kidcarter8]

Dude in charge of Russian army not only doesnt know this.  He also doesnt care - sadistically just wants to kill Ukrainians.

[facilitatorn]

They have to show they are doing something to stay out of the basement. Bombing the shit out of cities is the only thing in their bag that looks like it works at all. This means they will keep it up as long as they can or until they think of something else regardless of the strategic impact in the conflict. These are men trying to seem worth keeping alive to a notorious and increasingly frustrated murderer.

[LarryBnDC]

They have to show they are doing something to stay out of the basement. Bombing the shit out of cities is the only thing in their bag that looks like it works at all. This means they will keep it up as long as they can or until they think of something else regardless of the strategic impact in the conflict. These are men trying to seem worth keeping alive to a notorious and increasingly frustrated murderer.

The monster is just being smart and savvy.

[LarryBnDC]

Dude in charge of Russian army not only doesnt know this.  He also doesnt care - sadistically just wants to kill Ukrainians.

https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-reagan-roll-over-grave-russia-putin-2016-12

[facilitatorn]

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/13/2085668/-Former-NSA-Contractor-Claims-Intel-Community-Internal-Com-Apps-A-Dumpster-Fire-Of-Hate-Speech

A fifth column that needs to be urgently wrapped up.

Right wing nut jobs are agents acting under Russian control. Tuckers international audience proves this.

Hit Putin where it hurts, in Western Defense and Security establishments.

[luee]

That is what this is about. One evil madman has taken control. Stop him and the war threat is over. Just the same as WW11. Has anyone learned anything? Putin has obviously read history books. Hitler dies in 1933 mankind is spared. Taking out this head of state is appropriate and well earned. Kaiser Bill yes. A law forbiding the killing of bloodthirsty autocrats?

[Hamilton Samuels]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/jake-sullivan-meeting-chinese-counterpart-ukraine/index.html

[josh]

That is what this is about. One evil madman has taken control. Stop him and the war threat is over. Just the same as WW11. Has anyone learned anything? Putin has obviously read history books. Hitler dies in 1933 mankind is spared. Taking out this head of state is appropriate and well earned. Kaiser Bill yes. A law forbiding the killing of bloodthirsty autocrats?

Mussolini and Hirohito raise their eyebrows at you.

So do Himmler and Goering and a host of others in the German High Command.

Kill Hitler and maybe you reduce some deaths, but there is a reasonable chance that sans Hitler Germany doesn't waste its time and energy on Russia.

[bambu.]

Ukraine should've surrendered the second Russian military crossed the border.
But then the Russian rape hordes would've struck.
Tough living in Ukraine, Russia f's you over one way or the other.
Ukraine should never have trusted anyone and should never have given up its nukes.