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[bambu.]

A permanent ceasefire and then two states is now being hailed as the solution...by politicians worldwide.

Ideally Palestine would be one section of the area, not two or three with Israel in the middle

Palestine can't really expect to have all the coastline...so how does it all get divided up?
Half the coastline each?

Then what about Jerusalem? 
What about the Golan Heights, where terrorists had a perfect place from which to fire on Israel and Israel grabbed control of in one of the wars?
Palestinians want 'from the River to the Sea', all of it?

Looking at the map,
The whole area is small. Only 44 miles from Tel Aviv to Gaza.

A high speed train runs between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv...takes 34 minutes.

2 million Arab Palestinians.
7 million Jews.
Some Christians.

Those dividing it all up in the Two State Solution...will need the wisdom of Solomon and then some.

What happens if the Palestinians want all of Palestine for themselves, no Jews, no Israel?

There are many questions to be answered and many decisions to be made.
Looks like 1948 revisited.

[bambu.]

I'm getting hayfever from all the strawmen in this thread.  As if anyone here thinks Hamas thugocracy had the best interests of Palestine at heart.  One result of Israels economic hobbling of Gaza, and chopping Palestine into three pieces that can't travel to each other, is the sort of black market driven and nothing to lose attitudes that Hamas type factions thrive in.

Gaza is under a multidecade land, air, and sea blockade.  Not conducive to beautiful resorts or letting oil companies or other developers in.  Gaza airport was demolished by Israel three years after it was built.  Border restrictions mean very limited access to Palestinians main urban center, East Jerusalem, or its agricultural resources in West Bank (what's left of them).  This is not how any rational group can build a viable Palestinian state.

All this in spite of the terms of the Oslo Accord being that Israel must treat Palestine as one political entity.

On what planet would such gross violations of international law result in a prosperous economy and functional government for a small enclave effectively torn away from its other pieces and primary urban center of banking, education, foreign consulates and other services? Even if Gaza were run by people better than the Hamas thugs, would they really be able to negotiate with a military power (backed by billions from US and UK) that is so asymmetrical with respect to its neighbors?  A two state solution means Israel reforming to the liberal Zionist governance it once had, and acknowledging its own role in land theft and dispossession.

It bears repeating even if you can never grasp its everlasting truth

Gaza was lost to Israel 75 years ago in the Arab/Israeli War because the Arabs would not accept a partitioned Palestine.
Most of Gaza residents then were Arab refugees , predominantly Jordanians.

Israel relinquished military and political control of Gaza in 2005.
In 2007 Hamas took power over Fatah, a rival Palestinian faction.

Israel does control Gaza airspace and border crossings and , along with Egypt,  imposed a blockade on Gaza when the Islamic militant group seized power from rival Palestinian forces in 2007 . The blockade is to prevent Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization, from amassing weapons of war.

The international community sends billions of dollars of aid to Gaza due to its isolation, but there is no accounting of how much of that aid has been redirected by Hamas to its constant goal of destroying Israel.
Hamas, as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, is at war with every Arab Nation and wants to replace every and all Arab national leaders.

It is why no Arab Nation will accept Palestinian refugees for fear of importing Hamas terrorists.

Thank you for this clear and valuable information.

[bambu.]

7.40
Fri night in bambuword.

SKY NEWS headline

"West Shuns Israel In Its Hour  Of Need"

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Sure seems to be.

[Oiled]

I'm getting hayfever from all the strawmen in this thread.  As if anyone here thinks Hamas thugocracy had the best interests of Palestine at heart.  One result of Israels economic hobbling of Gaza, and chopping Palestine into three pieces that can't travel to each other, is the sort of black market driven and nothing to lose attitudes that Hamas type factions thrive in.

Gaza is under a multidecade land, air, and sea blockade.  Not conducive to beautiful resorts or letting oil companies or other developers in.  Gaza airport was demolished by Israel three years after it was built.  Border restrictions mean very limited access to Palestinians main urban center, East Jerusalem, or its agricultural resources in West Bank (what's left of them).  This is not how any rational group can build a viable Palestinian state.

All this in spite of the terms of the Oslo Accord being that Israel must treat Palestine as one political entity.

On what planet would such gross violations of international law result in a prosperous economy and functional government for a small enclave effectively torn away from its other pieces and primary urban center of banking, education, foreign consulates and other services? Even if Gaza were run by people better than the Hamas thugs, would they really be able to negotiate with a military power (backed by billions from US and UK) that is so asymmetrical with respect to its neighbors?  A two state solution means Israel reforming to the liberal Zionist governance it once had, and acknowledging its own role in land theft and dispossession.

It bears repeating even if you can never grasp its everlasting truth

Gaza was lost to Israel 75 years ago in the Arab/Israeli War because the Arabs would not accept a partitioned Palestine.
Most of Gaza residents then were Arab refugees , predominantly Jordanians.

Israel relinquished military and political control of Gaza in 2005.
In 2007 Hamas took power over Fatah, a rival Palestinian faction.

Israel does control Gaza airspace and border crossings and , along with Egypt,  imposed a blockade on Gaza when the Islamic militant group seized power from rival Palestinian forces in 2007 . The blockade is to prevent Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization, from amassing weapons of war.

The international community sends billions of dollars of aid to Gaza due to its isolation, but there is no accounting of how much of that aid has been redirected by Hamas to its constant goal of destroying Israel.
Hamas, as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, is at war with every Arab Nation and wants to replace every and all Arab national leaders.

It is why no Arab Nation will accept Palestinian refugees for fear of importing Hamas terrorists.

Again, sneezing from all the straw men.

You seem to not grasp that I have already and repeatedly acknowledged that Hamas is a militant thugocracy.  You have listed a set of facts, as I did, but seem to be spinning them in a way that implies Israel is some wronged innocent in all this mess.  Tearing Palestine into three separate chunks which lack access to each other for most citizens is part of what makes Hamas the destructive force that it is, and caused the splintering of an overall government of Palestine.  The asymmetry in power between Israel and Palestine means that it is up to Israel to rectify this.  I doubt they will, so the cycle of revenge and reprisal will continue.

[facilitatorn]

Again, sneezing from all the straw men.

You seem to not grasp that I have already and repeatedly acknowledged that Hamas is a militant thugocracy.  You have listed a set of facts, as I did, but seem to be spinning them in a way that implies Israel is some wronged innocent in all this mess.  Tearing Palestine into three separate chunks which lack access to each other for most citizens is part of what makes Hamas the destructive force that it is, and caused the splintering of an overall government of Palestine.  The asymmetry in power between Israel and Palestine means that it is up to Israel to rectify this.  I doubt they will, so the cycle of revenge and reprisal will continue.

[Espnthree]

I'm getting hayfever from all the strawmen in this thread.  As if anyone here thinks Hamas thugocracy had the best interests of Palestine at heart.  One result of Israels economic hobbling of Gaza, and chopping Palestine into three pieces that can't travel to each other, is the sort of black market driven and nothing to lose attitudes that Hamas type factions thrive in.

Gaza is under a multidecade land, air, and sea blockade.  Not conducive to beautiful resorts or letting oil companies or other developers in.  Gaza airport was demolished by Israel three years after it was built.  Border restrictions mean very limited access to Palestinians main urban center, East Jerusalem, or its agricultural resources in West Bank (what's left of them).  This is not how any rational group can build a viable Palestinian state.

All this in spite of the terms of the Oslo Accord being that Israel must treat Palestine as one political entity.

On what planet would such gross violations of international law result in a prosperous economy and functional government for a small enclave effectively torn away from its other pieces and primary urban center of banking, education, foreign consulates and other services? Even if Gaza were run by people better than the Hamas thugs, would they really be able to negotiate with a military power (backed by billions from US and UK) that is so asymmetrical with respect to its neighbors?  A two state solution means Israel reforming to the liberal Zionist governance it once had, and acknowledging its own role in land theft and dispossession.

It bears repeating even if you can never grasp its everlasting truth

Gaza was lost to Israel 75 years ago in the Arab/Israeli War because the Arabs would not accept a partitioned Palestine.
Most of Gaza residents then were Arab refugees , predominantly Jordanians.

Israel relinquished military and political control of Gaza in 2005.
In 2007 Hamas took power over Fatah, a rival Palestinian faction.

Israel does control Gaza airspace and border crossings and , along with Egypt,  imposed a blockade on Gaza when the Islamic militant group seized power from rival Palestinian forces in 2007 . The blockade is to prevent Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization, from amassing weapons of war.

The international community sends billions of dollars of aid to Gaza due to its isolation, but there is no accounting of how much of that aid has been redirected by Hamas to its constant goal of destroying Israel.
Hamas, as a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, is at war with every Arab Nation and wants to replace every and all Arab national leaders.

It is why no Arab Nation will accept Palestinian refugees for fear of importing Hamas terrorists.

Again, sneezing from all the straw men.

You seem to not grasp that I have already and repeatedly acknowledged that Hamas is a militant thugocracy.

the entire planet of nations knows that.

  You have listed a set of facts, as I did, but seem to be spinning them in a way that implies Israel is some wronged innocent in all this mess.

It is, the Arabs refuse to stop starting wars.

Tearing Palestine into three separate chunks which lack access to each other for most citizens is part of what makes Hamas the
destructive force that it is, and caused the splintering of an overall government of Palestine. 

The Arabs
and the Muslim Brotherhood did that

The  asymmetry in power between Israel and Palestine means that it is up to Israel to rectify this.  I doubt they will, so the cycle of revenge and reprisal will continue.

Israel is living proof that Jews and Arabs can coexist.
What is ruining Gaza and the Palestinians is Hamas.
Israel is simply defending itself from the Hamas butchery that is the cause all the Palestinian deaths

[facilitatorn]

Red gets this from The New Hungarian Guide to History translated into racist pig speak by JD Vance, forward by career diplomat George Santos.

[bambu.]

Can anyone here suggest a two state solution that would work ?

[Yankguy1]

What is your solution?  Other than using nuclear weapons?

[bambu.]

Sky News:

Boston mayor defends decision to hold Christmas party for "people of color".

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All good.
But imagine the hoo ha if one held a Christmas party for "white people".

[LarryB!]

Sky News:

Boston mayor defends decision to hold Christmas party for "people of color".

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All good.
But imagine the hoo ha if one held a Christmas party for "white people".

Like that has not happened in the past!

[LarryB!]

Rudy Giuliani butt fucked in court!


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-verdict-defamation-trial-georgia-election-workers/

[facilitatorn]

Rudy Giuliani butt fucked in court!


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-verdict-defamation-trial-georgia-election-workers/

Expect to see him trying to raise funds squeegeeing windshields at the foot of the Queensborough bridge.

[LarryB!]

Rudy Giuliani butt fucked in court!


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rudy-giuliani-verdict-defamation-trial-georgia-election-workers/

Expect to see him trying to raise funds squeegeeing windshields at the foot of the Queensborough bridge.

Ha!

[Oiled]

Yes, thumb up.

Maybe Four Seasons Total Landscaping has an opening for Rudy?  Least they can so, given the free publicity he gave them a few years ago.