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[Hairy Lime]

The build up of forces surrounding a border followed by bombardment and invasion constitutes ethnic cleansing in your view. That is straight forward and in accordance with international law. I think the ICC will use your definition when prosecuting Bibi for the war crimes he has so far committed against the Palestinians in the service of propping up his fading political career.

Self defence is not ethnic cleansing/genocide.
US /allies fire-bombed Tokyo and nuked Japan...hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Self defence in a war that Japan started.

Same deal in Gaza today.
If Israel lets Hamas terrorists live, they will only kill more Israelis...as has clearly happened in the past.
All Hamas terrorists must be killed or taken prisoner by force, if they won't surrender.

Hamas considers its war on Israel self defense too.

Hamas considers a lot of things.
Not much wisdom in its thoughts though, obviously.

Not to you, but i suspect you do not see Palestinians as worthy of concern.

I do consider Palestinians worthy of concern, the loss of life is terrible.
Perhaps you can think of another way of defeating Hamas and freeing the hostages held in Gaza, other than what Israel is doing? [don't see any UN army arriving]

Hamas considered its attacks on Israel Oct 7 as wise.
Hamas and those who cheer for them, were severely misguided, totally crazy if you like.
Look what those attacks on Israel have led to.

You continue to view 10/7 in a vacuum, as a stand alone incident. It is not. One thing that Israel's current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

[jmmengel]

The build up of forces surrounding a border followed by bombardment and invasion constitutes ethnic cleansing in your view. That is straight forward and in accordance with international law. I think the ICC will use your definition when prosecuting Bibi for the war crimes he has so far committed against the Palestinians in the service of propping up his fading political career.

Self defence is not ethnic cleansing/genocide.
US /allies fire-bombed Tokyo and nuked Japan...hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Self defence in a war that Japan started.

Same deal in Gaza today.
If Israel lets Hamas terrorists live, they will only kill more Israelis...as has clearly happened in the past.
All Hamas terrorists must be killed or taken prisoner by force, if they won't surrender.

Hamas considers its war on Israel self defense too.

Hamas considers a lot of things.
Not much wisdom in its thoughts though, obviously.

Not to you, but i suspect you do not see Palestinians as worthy of concern.

I do consider Palestinians worthy of concern, the loss of life is terrible.
Perhaps you can think of another way of defeating Hamas and freeing the hostages held in Gaza, other than what Israel is doing? [don't see any UN army arriving]

Hamas considered its attacks on Israel Oct 7 as wise.
Hamas and those who cheer for them, were severely misguided, totally crazy if you like.
Look what those attacks on Israel have led to.

You continue to view 10/7 in a vacuum, as a stand alone incident. It is not. One thing that Israel's current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

Yeah, sure. The whole world sees the inherent evilness of Hamas( well except for Dearborn, Michigan)
and acts accordingly. Hamas uses  the Palestinians to curry sympathy and all it accomplishes is more dead Palestinians.

[Hairy Lime]

The build up of forces surrounding a border followed by bombardment and invasion constitutes ethnic cleansing in your view. That is straight forward and in accordance with international law. I think the ICC will use your definition when prosecuting Bibi for the war crimes he has so far committed against the Palestinians in the service of propping up his fading political career.

Self defence is not ethnic cleansing/genocide.
US /allies fire-bombed Tokyo and nuked Japan...hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Self defence in a war that Japan started.

Same deal in Gaza today.
If Israel lets Hamas terrorists live, they will only kill more Israelis...as has clearly happened in the past.
All Hamas terrorists must be killed or taken prisoner by force, if they won't surrender.

Hamas considers its war on Israel self defense too.

Hamas considers a lot of things.
Not much wisdom in its thoughts though, obviously.

Not to you, but i suspect you do not see Palestinians as worthy of concern.

I do consider Palestinians worthy of concern, the loss of life is terrible.
Perhaps you can think of another way of defeating Hamas and freeing the hostages held in Gaza, other than what Israel is doing? [don't see any UN army arriving]

Hamas considered its attacks on Israel Oct 7 as wise.
Hamas and those who cheer for them, were severely misguided, totally crazy if you like.
Look what those attacks on Israel have led to.

You continue to view 10/7 in a vacuum, as a stand alone incident. It is not. One thing that Israel's current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

Yeah, sure. The whole world sees the inherent evilness of Hamas( well except for Dearborn, Michigan)
and acts accordingly. Hamas uses  the Palestinians to curry sympathy and all it accomplishes is more dead Palestinians.

And then more dead Israelis. And then more dead Palestinians. And then more dead Israelis. Amd then... even bambu should get the picture.

[Oiled]

One thing that Israel current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

A causal reality which, if widely understood by all parties, could lead to real negotiations and a Palestinian state. 

Taking a break on posting on the topic of Mideast conflict.  We are kind of looping here, as coders call it. 

[jmmengel]

The build up of forces surrounding a border followed by bombardment and invasion constitutes ethnic cleansing in your view. That is straight forward and in accordance with international law. I think the ICC will use your definition when prosecuting Bibi for the war crimes he has so far committed against the Palestinians in the service of propping up his fading political career.

Self defence is not ethnic cleansing/genocide.
US /allies fire-bombed Tokyo and nuked Japan...hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Self defence in a war that Japan started.

Same deal in Gaza today.
If Israel lets Hamas terrorists live, they will only kill more Israelis...as has clearly happened in the past.
All Hamas terrorists must be killed or taken prisoner by force, if they won't surrender.

Hamas considers its war on Israel self defense too.

Hamas considers a lot of things.
Not much wisdom in its thoughts though, obviously.

Not to you, but i suspect you do not see Palestinians as worthy of concern.

I do consider Palestinians worthy of concern, the loss of life is terrible.
Perhaps you can think of another way of defeating Hamas and freeing the hostages held in Gaza, other than what Israel is doing? [don't see any UN army arriving]

Hamas considered its attacks on Israel Oct 7 as wise.
Hamas and those who cheer for them, were severely misguided, totally crazy if you like.
Look what those attacks on Israel have led to.

You continue to view 10/7 in a vacuum, as a stand alone incident. It is not. One thing that Israel's current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

Yeah, sure. The whole world sees the inherent evilness of Hamas( well except for Dearborn, Michigan)
and acts accordingly. Hamas uses  the Palestinians to curry sympathy and all it accomplishes is more dead Palestinians.

And then more dead Israelis. And then more dead Palestinians. And then more dead Israelis. Amd then... even bambu should get the picture.

All Hamas has to do is raise a white flag and agree to live in peace with Israel. But that option has been on the table for over 75 years and the Arabs refuse.

[Hairy Lime]

The build up of forces surrounding a border followed by bombardment and invasion constitutes ethnic cleansing in your view. That is straight forward and in accordance with international law. I think the ICC will use your definition when prosecuting Bibi for the war crimes he has so far committed against the Palestinians in the service of propping up his fading political career.

Self defence is not ethnic cleansing/genocide.
US /allies fire-bombed Tokyo and nuked Japan...hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Self defence in a war that Japan started.

Same deal in Gaza today.
If Israel lets Hamas terrorists live, they will only kill more Israelis...as has clearly happened in the past.
All Hamas terrorists must be killed or taken prisoner by force, if they won't surrender.

Hamas considers its war on Israel self defense too.

Hamas considers a lot of things.
Not much wisdom in its thoughts though, obviously.

Not to you, but i suspect you do not see Palestinians as worthy of concern.

I do consider Palestinians worthy of concern, the loss of life is terrible.
Perhaps you can think of another way of defeating Hamas and freeing the hostages held in Gaza, other than what Israel is doing? [don't see any UN army arriving]

Hamas considered its attacks on Israel Oct 7 as wise.
Hamas and those who cheer for them, were severely misguided, totally crazy if you like.
Look what those attacks on Israel have led to.

You continue to view 10/7 in a vacuum, as a stand alone incident. It is not. One thing that Israel's current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

Yeah, sure. The whole world sees the inherent evilness of Hamas( well except for Dearborn, Michigan)
and acts accordingly. Hamas uses  the Palestinians to curry sympathy and all it accomplishes is more dead Palestinians.

And then more dead Israelis. And then more dead Palestinians. And then more dead Israelis. Amd then... even bambu should get the picture.

All Hamas has to do is raise a white flag and agree to live in peace with Israel. But that option has been on the table for over 75 years and the Arabs refuse.

All Israel has to do is agree to cede political control over all of Palestine to the Palestinians. That is not happening either.

[jmmengel]

The build up of forces surrounding a border followed by bombardment and invasion constitutes ethnic cleansing in your view. That is straight forward and in accordance with international law. I think the ICC will use your definition when prosecuting Bibi for the war crimes he has so far committed against the Palestinians in the service of propping up his fading political career.

Self defence is not ethnic cleansing/genocide.
US /allies fire-bombed Tokyo and nuked Japan...hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Self defence in a war that Japan started.

Same deal in Gaza today.
If Israel lets Hamas terrorists live, they will only kill more Israelis...as has clearly happened in the past.
All Hamas terrorists must be killed or taken prisoner by force, if they won't surrender.

Hamas considers its war on Israel self defense too.

Hamas considers a lot of things.
Not much wisdom in its thoughts though, obviously.

Not to you, but i suspect you do not see Palestinians as worthy of concern.

I do consider Palestinians worthy of concern, the loss of life is terrible.
Perhaps you can think of another way of defeating Hamas and freeing the hostages held in Gaza, other than what Israel is doing? [don't see any UN army arriving]

Hamas considered its attacks on Israel Oct 7 as wise.
Hamas and those who cheer for them, were severely misguided, totally crazy if you like.
Look what those attacks on Israel have led to.

You continue to view 10/7 in a vacuum, as a stand alone incident. It is not. One thing that Israel's current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

Yeah, sure. The whole world sees the inherent evilness of Hamas( well except for Dearborn, Michigan)
and acts accordingly. Hamas uses  the Palestinians to curry sympathy and all it accomplishes is more dead Palestinians.

And then more dead Israelis. And then more dead Palestinians. And then more dead Israelis. Amd then... even bambu should get the picture.

All Hamas has to do is raise a white flag and agree to live in peace with Israel. But that option has been on the table for over 75 years and the Arabs refuse.

All Israel has to do is agree to cede political control over all of Palestine to the Palestinians. That is not happening either.

Duh!

[Hairy Lime]

The build up of forces surrounding a border followed by bombardment and invasion constitutes ethnic cleansing in your view. That is straight forward and in accordance with international law. I think the ICC will use your definition when prosecuting Bibi for the war crimes he has so far committed against the Palestinians in the service of propping up his fading political career.

Self defence is not ethnic cleansing/genocide.
US /allies fire-bombed Tokyo and nuked Japan...hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Self defence in a war that Japan started.

Same deal in Gaza today.
If Israel lets Hamas terrorists live, they will only kill more Israelis...as has clearly happened in the past.
All Hamas terrorists must be killed or taken prisoner by force, if they won't surrender.

Hamas considers its war on Israel self defense too.

Hamas considers a lot of things.
Not much wisdom in its thoughts though, obviously.

Not to you, but i suspect you do not see Palestinians as worthy of concern.

I do consider Palestinians worthy of concern, the loss of life is terrible.
Perhaps you can think of another way of defeating Hamas and freeing the hostages held in Gaza, other than what Israel is doing? [don't see any UN army arriving]

Hamas considered its attacks on Israel Oct 7 as wise.
Hamas and those who cheer for them, were severely misguided, totally crazy if you like.
Look what those attacks on Israel have led to.

You continue to view 10/7 in a vacuum, as a stand alone incident. It is not. One thing that Israel's current campaign will never result in is an end to their security issues with Palestinians in Gaza. They are making warriors out of nearly everyone they leave behind.

Yeah, sure. The whole world sees the inherent evilness of Hamas( well except for Dearborn, Michigan)
and acts accordingly. Hamas uses  the Palestinians to curry sympathy and all it accomplishes is more dead Palestinians.

And then more dead Israelis. And then more dead Palestinians. And then more dead Israelis. Amd then... even bambu should get the picture.

All Hamas has to do is raise a white flag and agree to live in peace with Israel. But that option has been on the table for over 75 years and the Arabs refuse.

All Israel has to do is agree to cede political control over all of Palestine to the Palestinians. That is not happening either.

Duh!

So, we agree that abject surrender by either side is not a feasible option.

[jmmengel]

So, we agree that abject surrender by either side is not a feasible option.

The only solution can be reached by either Hamas accepting peace with Israel or Israel completely destroying Hamas.

[jmmengel]

RIP
Toby Keith

[Hairy Lime]

So, we agree that abject surrender by either side is not a feasible option.

The only solution can be reached by either Hamas accepting peace with Israel or Israel completely destroying Hamas.

Israel will never completely destroy Hamas. I remember an old I guess pre meme meme with a Russian tank rolling over the word Solidarnosc, with the word reforming behind it, only larger. That is the most likely dynamic.

And of course, if you had asked Israel on October 6, the would have told you Hezbollah was a bigger concern. The underlying issue is not Hamas or Hezbollah. It is why those organizations exist.

[facilitatorn]

So, we agree that abject surrender by either side is not a feasible option.

The only solution can be reached by either Hamas accepting peace with Israel or Israel completely destroying Hamas.

The only solution can be reached by either the republican party accepting peace with the United States or the United States completely destroying the republican party.

[jmmengel]

So, we agree that abject surrender by either side is not a feasible option.

The only solution can be reached by either Hamas accepting peace with Israel or Israel completely destroying Hamas.

Israel will never completely destroy Hamas. I remember an old I guess pre meme meme with a Russian tank rolling over the word Solidarnosc, with the word reforming behind it, only larger. That is the most likely dynamic.

And of course, if you had asked Israel on October 6, the would have told you Hezbollah was a bigger concern. The underlying issue is not Hamas or Hezbollah. It is why those organizations exist.

They exist to hate Jews.

[Hairy Lime]

So, we agree that abject surrender by either side is not a feasible option.

The only solution can be reached by either Hamas accepting peace with Israel or Israel completely destroying Hamas.

Israel will never completely destroy Hamas. I remember an old I guess pre meme meme with a Russian tank rolling over the word Solidarnosc, with the word reforming behind it, only larger. That is the most likely dynamic.

And of course, if you had asked Israel on October 6, the would have told you Hezbollah was a bigger concern. The underlying issue is not Hamas or Hezbollah. It is why those organizations exist.

They exist to hate Jews.

Enjoy perpetual war.

[jmmengel]

So, we agree that abject surrender by either side is not a feasible option.

The only solution can be reached by either Hamas accepting peace with Israel or Israel completely destroying Hamas.

Israel will never completely destroy Hamas. I remember an old I guess pre meme meme with a Russian tank rolling over the word Solidarnosc, with the word reforming behind it, only larger. That is the most likely dynamic.

And of course, if you had asked Israel on October 6, the would have told you Hezbollah was a bigger concern. The underlying issue is not Hamas or Hezbollah. It is why those organizations exist.

They exist to hate Jews.

Enjoy perpetual war.

That is the choice the Arabs make.