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jmmengel

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Re: News in General
« Reply #7500 on: February 08, 2024, 07:19:50 PM »

There are three constitutional requirements:
Natural born US Citizen
35 years old
14 years living in the USA


And not being an insurrectionist.
Uh,  no.
Jesus how fucking stupid are you?


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« Reply #7501 on: February 08, 2024, 07:22:42 PM »

The best way to resolve trumps ballot eligibility is with a claw hammer, something Barron trump thinks about doing every day.
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« Reply #7502 on: February 08, 2024, 08:34:23 PM »

There are three constitutional requirements:
Natural born US Citizen
35 years old
14 years living in the USA


And not being an insurrectionist.
Uh,  no.
Jesus how fucking stupid are you?

I am too stupid to be able to answer this.  And my name's not Jesus.

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« Reply #7503 on: February 08, 2024, 08:41:47 PM »

Repubes already lining up to dogpile on Biden, invoke the 25th, etc.  Hur's special counsel report is  admittedly not flattering as to Joe's mental capacity.  I do have to wonder if the 25th invokers are really thinking this through, though. 
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Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickles down... But he didnt know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellows hands.

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« Reply #7504 on: February 08, 2024, 09:16:27 PM »

Worth noting Hur was a Trump appointee, and that the way his report puts a thumb on the scale seems a bit unprofessional.  How many people past their mid-sixties don't get pretty tired in a five hour interview and fumble when they try to be quick about timelines?  Trouble with math and dates doesn't equate to being confused in one's thinking and ability to reason.

Also worth noting: bringing up someone's child who died is going to elicit intense emotions and, again, not going to help anyone with focused retrieval of facts.

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Mr. Hoover was an engineer. He knew that water trickles down... But he didnt know that money trickled up. Give it to the people at the bottom and the people at the top will have it before night, anyhow. But it will at least have passed through the poor fellows hands.

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« Reply #7505 on: February 08, 2024, 09:26:28 PM »

There are three constitutional requirements:
Natural born US Citizen
35 years old
14 years living in the USA


And not being an insurrectionist.
Uh,  no.
Jesus how fucking stupid are you?

I am too stupid to be able to answer this.  And my name's not Jesus.

(it was a joke)
well you are fucking stupid.
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« Reply #7506 on: February 08, 2024, 09:28:29 PM »

Re: Appointments of officers of the United States.

The Colorao Supreme Court, citing Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, ruled Trump off its ballot for President.
Colorado does not have that power.
Section 3 governs appointments of officers to the Federal Government and prohibits insurrectionists from those appointments.
The President and Vice President are not appointed officers under Section 3. They are elected under qualifications set by the Constitution. States can rule on the elibility of the  voters in the State but cannot override the Federal qualifications of the candidates.
The Founders thus made sure the executives could never appoint insurrectionists.
It is called Federalism.
Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

Even Scalia disagreed with Redward on "officers."
Section three is the operable close.
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« Reply #7507 on: February 08, 2024, 09:29:50 PM »

Repubes already lining up to dogpile on Biden, invoke the 25th, etc.  Hur's special counsel report is  admittedly not flattering as to Joe's mental capacity.  I do have to wonder if the 25th invokers are really thinking this through, though.
it would be stupid to invoke the 25th for the GOP
The democrats, though
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« Reply #7508 on: February 08, 2024, 10:58:57 PM »

Trumps Syphilis has gotten much worse since he was driven out of office.
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« Reply #7509 on: February 09, 2024, 10:29:01 AM »

There are three constitutional requirements:
Natural born US Citizen
35 years old
14 years living in the USA


And not being an insurrectionist.
Uh,  no.
Jesus how fucking stupid are you?

I am too stupid to be able to answer this.  And my name's not Jesus.

(it was a joke)
well you are fucking stupid.
RedDick posts to the mirror again.
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« Reply #7510 on: February 09, 2024, 10:55:47 AM »


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Would Congress have power after the election of a President, to boot a POTUS who was not qualified -- via the impeachment process? 
. There are only two qualifications to run for president.
They have to be native born and 35 or older.

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What I mean is, is there any provision for fast tracking a process to boot a president-elect, or would they then be stuck with the standard impeachment procedures after January? 

There seems to be need of a Goldilocks zone, where it is easier to kick out criminal riffraff from the Oval, but not so easy that it is constantly weaponized.
There are three constitutional requirements:
Natural born US Citizen
35 years old
14 years living in the USA

Impeachment is for a sitting president who commits high crimes, misdemeanors.
Well, but how is Section 3 of 14th Amendment enforced? Assuming the SCOTUS rules that individual states do not have the ability to toss Presidential candidates(or by extension, VP) from the ballot because of the peculiar nature of the office, how does that get enforced?

I expect a unanimous but very limited ruling preventing states from disqualifying Presidential candidates based on Section 3. I think they ignore the implications of the ruling to, say, a state determining to not allow a 27 year old on the ballot, let alone a Obama Kenya thing, and limit it to that provision only. And I think they recognize the power of the state to determine eligibility for every other office, including Reps and Senators since there is no risk of differing decisions for the same candidate, no incentive to be the first in with a factual determination pro or con to bind the rest of the country. But it does set up an interesting question: how do you enforce Section 3 nationally? I suppose once they are actually seated you could impeach them, but there is another intriguing option.

Congress has used its power to police its own membership to refuse to seat members under Section 3 twice: once when someone actually elected an actual Socialist - a real one, not a right wing talking point one - to the House* and once to refuse to seat someone who had been the Confederate governor of North Carolina. I think he was governor at the time of secession but am not motivated enough to look it up. Anyway that leaves this possibility...

January 6, 2025. The Dems have retained the Senate and gained a majority in the House, but Trump has won. Kamala Harris with the Dems united behind her refuses to certify the electoral votes because one candidate is disqualified from office under Section 3...

* To be fair, he had been convicted under the espionage act.
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I too once met a girl in Central Park, but it is not much to remember. What I remember is the time John Wayne killed three men with a carbine as he was falling to the dusty street in Stagecoach, and the time the kitten found Orson Welles in the doorway in The Third Man.

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« Reply #7511 on: February 09, 2024, 11:02:43 AM »

January 6, 2025. The Dems have retained the Senate and gained a majority in the House, but Trump has won. Kamala Harris with the Dems united behind her refuses to certify the electoral votes because one candidate is disqualified from office under Section 3...

Except Donald Trump would not be covered by Section 3.
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« Reply #7512 on: February 09, 2024, 11:09:49 AM »

January 6, 2025. The Dems have retained the Senate and gained a majority in the House, but Trump has won. Kamala Harris with the Dems united behind her refuses to certify the electoral votes because one candidate is disqualified from office under Section 3...

Except Donald Trump would not be covered by Section 3.
He is if the SCOTUS rules he is. Only Jackson seemed receptive to that argument at the hearing, apparently.
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« Reply #7513 on: February 09, 2024, 11:39:00 AM »

January 6, 2025. The Dems have retained the Senate and gained a majority in the House, but Trump has won. Kamala Harris with the Dems united behind her refuses to certify the electoral votes because one candidate is disqualified from office under Section 3...

Except Donald Trump would not be covered by Section 3.
He is if the SCOTUS rules he is. Only Jackson seemed receptive to that argument at the hearing, apparently.
Obviously you did not listen (or read )the questions from Jackson from yesterday.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/ketanji-brown-jackson-trump-supreme-court-ballot.html

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« Reply #7514 on: February 09, 2024, 12:10:57 PM »

January 6, 2025. The Dems have retained the Senate and gained a majority in the House, but Trump has won. Kamala Harris with the Dems united behind her refuses to certify the electoral votes because one candidate is disqualified from office under Section 3...

Except Donald Trump would not be covered by Section 3.
He is if the SCOTUS rules he is. Only Jackson seemed receptive to that argument at the hearing, apparently.
Obviously you did not listen (or read )the questions from Jackson from yesterday.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/02/ketanji-brown-jackson-trump-supreme-court-ballot.html

What part of "Only Jackson seemed receptive..." is causing you difficulty?
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