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National => Biden Administration => Topic started by: josh on February 24, 2022, 01:18:43 PM

Title: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 01:18:43 PM
As Putin prepped and then launched the Russian invasion of Ukraine, many top conservatives (a) rushed to his defense and (b) blamed Biden for it.

But whether, as the GOP would have it, this only happened because of Biden's weakness, or this only happened because of GOP coddling of and support for Putin, it has happened.

The truth of the matter is that it shouldn't matter whether our president is strong or weak or our opposition party is encouraging and complicit or supportive of the occupant of the White House. The person responsible for this invasion is Vladimir Putin, would-be President-for-Life of Russia.

What do you think should be our response at this point and what, if anything, should the NATO response be?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 01:24:08 PM
The "ayes" have it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 01:32:22 PM
https://news.yahoo.com/trump-again-praises-putin-moments-before-russia-launches-invasion-of-ukraine-042841605.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 01:38:13 PM
https://www.politico.com/minutes/congress/02-24-2022/3-gop-responses-on-ukraine/

The bulk of the responses are anti-Putin, but that doesn't mean they are mostly prepared to blast Trump for his support.

One group of the GOP is practicing what used to be standard operating procedure in such situations - criticizing the bad guy (Putin) and not playing politics with it at home. The other two groups are split between 'anti-Putin, 'anti-Biden' vs. anti-Biden,' pro-Putin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 24, 2022, 01:55:01 PM
"I will do everything in my power to alleviate the pain Americans are feeling at the gas pump."


No.   You won't.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 24, 2022, 02:05:52 PM
 




 


 

 "Let's have a conversation in a month or so and see if the sanctions are working."



Wow.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 24, 2022, 02:12:36 PM
We need to make he Ukraine strong like Israel. If Putin wants war, then the Ukraine must quickly end any idea of war being easy for Russia. The Ukraine must defeat Russia quickly like in the 6 Day War. And kill Putin. If Putin goes for a full on war, then we need to kill Putin.

And I stand by my earlier statements about bringing in the Elders from around the world to help with this crisis, including Berlusconi, Juan Carlos, and Lech Walesa.

Bring in the Elders, and the Ukraine needs to be strong like Israel.

For the people from the Ukraine who are migrating to the USA for safety, if they want cheap land to build on then I recommend Battle Mountain, Nevada, where land is only one thousand dollars per acre. Nevada is cheap, and Nevada is safe. And there is a college in Elko.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 24, 2022, 02:35:32 PM
I had a roommate in Malibu who was the daughter of a general in China, she loved Malibu. We agreed that it is important for the armies to be controlled by wise men of peace. I hope that China will stand with the USA and with the rest of the world for peace between Russia and the Ukraine.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 02:44:58 PM


 "Let's have a conversation in a month or so and see if the sanctions are working."

Wow.

What would you do, Kid, in his situation?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: carlos123 on February 24, 2022, 04:01:25 PM


 "Let's have a conversation in a month or so and see if the sanctions are working."

Wow.

What would you do, Kid, in his situation?

I was afraid this forum would get immediately colonized by Chamaco, and that's exactly what happened.

He really is like horse shit!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 24, 2022, 04:32:52 PM
I think the attacks around Chernobyl are an example of what is called Madman strategy. In his 1962 book, Thinking About the Unthinkable, futurist Herman Kahn argued that to act a little crazy might be an effective way to induce an adversary to stand down.  Putin appears to be off the rails right now, and getting Ukraine to think he might punch a hole in Chernobyl's cement encasement and dust the countryside with radioactivity might be part of his terror and fear playbook. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 24, 2022, 04:40:05 PM


 "Let's have a conversation in a month or so and see if the sanctions are working."

Wow.

What would you do, Kid, in his situation?

I was afraid this forum would get immediately colonized by Chamaco, and that's exactly what happened.

He really is like horse shit!

Kid's all about hot takes, not informed comment.  And if one has neither evidence nor knowledge, then it's pretty much gonna be horseshit.  For one thing, simplistic approaches don't always fare well when it's a nation with lots of nuclear warheads.  Defusing Putin's Angry Grievance Brain will be much less simple than defusing a warhead.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 24, 2022, 05:46:08 PM
Senator Catherine Cortez Masto

1 hour

Putins decision to launch a violent, unprovoked attack on Ukraine must be met with crushing sanctions and a strong, unified response from the United States and our allies.

I stand with the Ukrainian people. Russia made a grave mistake and will be held accountable.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 24, 2022, 06:01:31 PM
Death, treason, and sorrow are on the march...

Once Putin takes the path of war then there is no turning back, and he will not be able to trust anyone, anyone could walk in and shoot him dead at any time, his future will be like all of the other evil dictators who invade other nations.

There is no honor among thieves. And it can be as simple as poison in Putin's morning coffee.

https://youtu.be/2NnXQpikxyk

And as much as Berlusconi can be a good friend, then so too can Berlusconi be a fierce enemy for Putin.

Once Putin takes the path of tragedy, then there is no happy ending.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 24, 2022, 06:26:02 PM
This is a big fucking deal.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/world/europe/russia-protests-putin.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 24, 2022, 06:28:03 PM
If the Squad wants to help the people of Russia, then the Squad needs to get the people of Russia to mobilize and to get out and to march for peace, and to get out and to stop the invasion of the Ukraine, and remove Putin if needed.

I think Putin misunderstands the whole situation, and he does not understand what he is giving up, he could attain so much more for Russia through peace and trade than he can with war.

The people of Russia need to stand up and demand peace. And we will even arm the good people of Russia if they want to have a civil war to remove Putin, that is what the Squad can do.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 07:13:59 PM
If the Squad wants to help the people of Russia, then the Squad needs to get the people of Russia to mobilize and to get out and to march for peace, and to get out and to stop the invasion of the Ukraine, and remove Putin if needed.

I think Putin misunderstands the whole situation, and he does not understand what he is giving up, he could attain so much more for Russia through peace and trade than he can with war.

The people of Russia need to stand up and demand peace. And we will even arm the good people of Russia if they want to have a civil war to remove Putin, that is what the Squad can do.

How do you propose the Squad should do any of that?

I think you misunderstand Putin - he has no desire to get what you think he wants. He's trying to rebuild the Russian (Soviet) Empire. Peace won't do that.

And the people, when they stand up, are insufficiently together to overwhelm the police, let alone the military.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 24, 2022, 07:16:28 PM
The people of Russia need to rid themselves of Putin.
Not prepared to do that, they'll just have to put up with whatever happens to them.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 24, 2022, 07:56:17 PM
If the Squad wants to help the people of Russia, then the Squad needs to get the people of Russia to mobilize and to get out and to march for peace, and to get out and to stop the invasion of the Ukraine, and remove Putin if needed.

I think Putin misunderstands the whole situation, and he does not understand what he is giving up, he could attain so much more for Russia through peace and trade than he can with war.

The people of Russia need to stand up and demand peace. And we will even arm the good people of Russia if they want to have a civil war to remove Putin, that is what the Squad can do.

How do you propose the Squad should do any of that?

I think you misunderstand Putin - he has no desire to get what you think he wants. He's trying to rebuild the Russian (Soviet) Empire. Peace won't do that.

And the people, when they stand up, are insufficiently together to overwhelm the police, let alone the military.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 24, 2022, 08:13:21 PM
The liberal Squad and the conservative House Freedom caucus come together on the issue of involving US troops in Ukraine and getting approval from congress:

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2022/02/23/far-left-far-right-lawmakers-come-together-to-caution-biden-on-ukraine/

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 24, 2022, 08:48:36 PM
The Squad has access to the Central Intelligence Agency which has boots on the ground in Russia, and they have information that I do not have access to. You can make better decisions when you have access to more information.

There used to be a forum called "Topix" and they had their headquarters here in California, and there were people on Topix from Russia, and so we could go talk with the Russians if they still had Topix on the web, but those forums are gone now. I would love to talk with the Russian people on a forum like Topix right now.

And we have the Russian Rock and Roll radio stations to get our message to the young people of Russia.

The CIA knows who the Squad needs to support.

And my advice is to bring in Silvio Berlusconi, and Juan Carlos, and Lech Walesa, and other Elders.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 24, 2022, 09:03:44 PM
The liberal Squad and the conservative House Freedom caucus come together on the issue of involving US troops in Ukraine and getting approval from congress:

https://cronkitenews.azpbs.org/2022/02/23/far-left-far-right-lawmakers-come-together-to-caution-biden-on-ukraine/

Argh

Far Left

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 10:48:55 PM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgd7dd/google-maps-live-traffic-showed-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine

It makes keeping things secret a lot harder.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 24, 2022, 11:00:00 PM
Quote
"After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."

#3 Republican in the U.S. House in an inappropriate speech.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 25, 2022, 12:56:47 AM
Quote
"After just one year of a weak, feckless, and unfit President of the United States and Commander-in-Chief, the world is less safe. Rather than peace through strength, we are witnessing Joe Biden's foreign policy of war through weakness. For the past year, our adversaries around the world have been assessing and measuring Joe Biden's leadership on the world stage, and he has abysmally failed on every metric. From kinetic and deadly attacks on our allies and partners, to the catastrophic withdrawal and surrender in Afghanistan, to the cyber attacks impeding American industry and infrastructure, to today's Russian invasion of Ukraine, Joe Biden and his Administration have failed America and the world."

#3 Republican in the U.S. House in an inappropriate speech.
Went over well in Moscow-Laga, which was the point.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on February 25, 2022, 02:19:14 AM
The West didn't do anything much after Putin invaded and annexed Crimea, or instigated and assisted war in Ukraine's Donbass region, or earlier warred against tiny Georgia and gobbled up two chunks of their land, etc.

But the time to pressure, isolate and confront Putin was when he transformed the Russian political system from democracy to dictatorship.  Instead the West pretended the change from Russian democracy to Russian autocracy was acceptable or tolerable, or wouldn't have consequences. (one consequence is Erdogan followed the same model and Turkey has backslid into a dictatorship, militarily meddling in other countries, such as Syria, Libya, etc.).

Or when Putin started assassinating journalists and opposition figures, and closed down independent media and ended civil society.  When he was poisoning perceived enemies all the way in the UK.  While crushing any political and civil society and non-gov't media at home. Russia morphing from a democracy to a dictatorship run by an ex-KGB officer was mostly met by a shrug.
Germany in particular thought you could just do business as usual with Russia.
Treating Russia as a normal country and not a pariah and dangerous threat. All of Putin's attacks, domestic and abroad, were largely ignored and accepted.
And this is where all that appeasement has led.

Crimea was 2014.  Europe couldn't have started diversifying its energy sources and weaning itself off Russia petroleum 7 years ago?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 25, 2022, 02:53:50 AM
First the pandemic and now this.

Thousands join anti-war protests in Russia after Ukraine invasion

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/we-dont-want-this-russians-react-to-the-ukraine-invasion.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 25, 2022, 03:01:33 AM
First the pandemic and now this.

Thousands join anti-war protests in Russia after Ukraine invasion

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/24/we-dont-want-this-russians-react-to-the-ukraine-invasion.

And got themselves arrested....
...never to be seen again?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 25, 2022, 03:14:45 AM
ScoMo went off like a Saturn rocket at Xi today when he found out that instead of slapping sanctions on Russia, China has opened its grain market favourably  to Russian wheat.
LOL
ScoMo has no power in the world but at least he said it.
Yes, Vlad's best buddy Xi gives him preferential trade
 deals after he invades Ukraine.
Exactly why the UN Security Council is a big waste of time. Seemingly owned by China and Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on February 25, 2022, 07:08:35 AM
The UN was designed so that the 5 large WWII allies wouldn't be held accountable.

This seems to be one of the least visible UN Sec Gen's.  Seems the UN was largely ignored under Trumpf.


A few weeks ago, I read that Putin had been rotating troops through Syria the past couple years, even on short tours, ensuring that the vast majority got battlefield training.  In preparation for what's tragically going down now.


Interesting background: The Welshman who Founded Donetsk, Ukraine, and Why a War is a Disaster for Russia (https://www.juancole.com/2022/02/welshman-founded-disaster.html).  In 1869, the Czar brought Welch in to start up the steel industry after lots of coal and ore found in the region.   What is now Donetsk was formerly named after John Hughes master metallurgist.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 25, 2022, 10:13:57 AM
BoDiddley,

Two thought provoking posts, thanks.  Curran's (now three day old) analysis (with fascinating Welsh bits) raises the question of how economically strapped Russia is willing to be.  Does anyone there think Ukraine has enough mineral and fossil fuel riches to somehow recoup their (Russia's) losses from sanctions?  Is the Ukraine grain belt also a factor? I was getting the sense they think China might pick up some of the slack, buying more stuff from them when Western markets shut them out.

I had noted a few days back that EU and US shrugged at the Crimea grab in 2014, and then underwhelming response to growing cyber warfare from Russia in the following years.  Yes, when did everybody just start accepting a murderous autocrat thug as if only a mild nuisance?  And then came Trump in 2016, and the ass kissing really ratchets up.   
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 25, 2022, 11:47:49 AM
Quote from: redstate
I guess I should have been able to figure it all out since those typos are similar to mine.
In any event the purpose of sanctions is to bring severe economic pain and to stop aggression, they cannot be symbolic or incremental.
When Russian Oligarchs start hurting so will the common folk. See the decade of 1980 to remember what happened to the USSR.

I am wondering if sanctions will work and if Putin thinks he has China to pick up the economic slack when western markets turn their backs.  Not sure he has the best advisors on these matters.

I have heard the SWIFT sanction proposal has some downsides - detailed here:

https://apnews.com/article/what-is-swift-russia-financial-system-083a5935002c9d06ffd6ac39c13d3ce4

And some sanctions only work if Germans and other pipeline nations are really willing to put on sweaters and lower thermostats.  As well as restart their three remaining nuke plants in Germany.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 25, 2022, 12:02:02 PM
A case can be made that the USA should have imposed sanctions 6a lot sooner.
The sanctions could have been imposed earlier.
Yet there are signs they are causing pain in Russia .
No, I think making sure Putin had an off ramp before the invasion was the right move. Even if he did not take it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 25, 2022, 12:24:23 PM
Quote from: redstate
I guess I should have been able to figure it all out since those typos are similar to mine.
In any event the purpose of sanctions is to bring severe economic pain and to stop aggression, they cannot be symbolic or incremental.
When Russian Oligarchs start hurting so will the common folk. See the decade of 1980 to remember what happened to the USSR.

I am wondering if sanctions will work and if Putin thinks he has China to pick up the economic slack when western markets turn their backs.  Not sure he has the best advisors on these matters.

I have heard the SWIFT sanction proposal has some downsides - detailed here:

https://apnews.com/article/what-is-swift-russia-financial-system-083a5935002c9d06ffd6ac39c13d3ce4

And some sanctions only work if Germans and other pipeline nations are really willing to put on sweaters and lower thermostats.  As well as restart their three remaining nuke plants in Germany.
We do need to make sure the sanctions are targeted for the maximum impact on Russia and the minimum on western economies. I would - did, it is the post Red was replying to - make the same point about the harm to the Russian people, though I am aware that the inevitable nature of structures like oligarchs is that the economic pain is never felt most at the top.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 25, 2022, 02:13:02 PM
Yeah, pain will be everywhere.  I saw VW closed down two factories which depend on parts shipped from Ukraine.  Multiply that sort of disruption by a thousand, across the globe. 

Surgical precision with Putin and oligarch cronies is very difficult.  The EU is freezing the assets of Lavrov and Putin, that might be an approach other nations could follow, expanding to others in Putin's circle. 

Tony wants to bring in Silvio Berlusconi.  I'm sure he would have some terrific ideas. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 25, 2022, 02:46:03 PM
 The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 25, 2022, 03:51:48 PM
2800 dead Russians.  That is just today.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 25, 2022, 04:48:56 PM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 25, 2022, 04:51:39 PM
Personally the Snake Island attitude seems apt.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 25, 2022, 05:24:09 PM
Personally the Snake Island attitude seems apt.

Will probably enter the Ukrainian war culture with same resonance as Remember the Alamo!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 25, 2022, 05:53:49 PM
Fuckin war going on but you can still count on idiocy from my Elba brethren.

Prayers for Ukraine getting through this rough night.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 25, 2022, 06:49:14 PM
We have to pull the plug on anything with right wing Russia connections immediately here in the United States.

All part of the war effort.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 25, 2022, 06:52:00 PM
Personally the Snake Island attitude seems apt.

Will probably enter the Ukrainian war culture with same resonance as Remember the Alamo!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 25, 2022, 06:57:27 PM
My prayer would be no young man has to be slaughtered in order to settle political conflicts brought by old men with adequacy issues. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 25, 2022, 07:01:48 PM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.

Surely you don't believe Ukraine can beat Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 25, 2022, 07:05:35 PM
sanctions have not worked. Case at point the primitives in Iran.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 25, 2022, 07:27:17 PM
Can Russia keep its troops supplied?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 25, 2022, 08:23:31 PM
Fuckin war going on but you can still count on idiocy from my Elba brethren.

Prayers for Ukraine getting through this rough night.

Your non-specific complaints put you in the same pot you accuse others of occupying it, though it is unclear they are there, too. Just you.

And I am sure your prayers will help the folks in Ukraine about equally to
a) your prayers (and those of the GOP's "leadership") for the families and victims of school shootings and
b) the lack of support for the country and support for Putin that some of your party's leaders continue to show.

It would be nice, albeit shocking, if you could manage your critiques to include those hard at work praising Putin and/or patting themselves on the back.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 25, 2022, 08:36:56 PM
It is true that China's state run banks backed off some letters of credit.

But Beijing is trying to have it both ways.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/business/wheat-russia-china-intl-hnk/index.html

They are undoing restrictions on Russian wheat imports.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 25, 2022, 10:24:55 PM
Yes, bring in Silvio Berlusconi, and Lech Walesa, and Juan Carlos.

Here is some fitting Shakespeare...

Famine, sword, and fire...

https://youtu.be/x3ZMT-G_WHE

Salute,

Tony V.





Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 25, 2022, 11:15:23 PM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.

Surely you don't believe Ukraine can beat Russia.
Stop calling me Shirley.

Viva la resistance.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 25, 2022, 11:32:38 PM
Shave Tucker carlsons head, then parade him around shirtless on a horse so people can gather to pelt him with rotten cabbages.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 26, 2022, 12:56:46 AM
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 02:42:53 AM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.

Surely you don't believe Ukraine can beat Russia.
Stop calling me Shirley.

Viva la resistance.

All that will do is get all the men 18-60 who are being prevented from leaving Ukraine and being forced to fight Russia...slaughtered.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 26, 2022, 03:00:22 AM
Bambu always ready with the last ear poison from RT Oz.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 26, 2022, 03:16:53 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/25/2082461/-I-m-not-usually-impressed-by-Tom-Friedman-but-he-may-have-a-point-or-two-about-Ukraine-and-Russia (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/25/2082461/-I-m-not-usually-impressed-by-Tom-Friedman-but-he-may-have-a-point-or-two-about-Ukraine-and-Russia)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 04:37:00 AM
Biden Weighs Deploying Thousands of Troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics
The president is also considering deploying warships and aircraft to NATO allies, in what would be a major shift from its restrained stance on Ukraine.

#####

Yes, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania will be next.
Crank up the nukes!  Putin is basically threatening to nuke anyone who tries to stop his conquests.

https://www.gbnews.uk/news/putin-eyeing-latvia-lithuania-and-estonia-if-west-let-russia-take-ukraine-warns-defence-committee-chair/207291 (https://www.gbnews.uk/news/putin-eyeing-latvia-lithuania-and-estonia-if-west-let-russia-take-ukraine-warns-defence-committee-chair/207291)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 04:55:42 AM
Putin got very rich very quickly.
He used to be a poor cab driver.

He owns a billion dollar palace;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putin%27s_Palace)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 05:05:57 AM
The fear is real, make no mistake.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/australians-fear-attack-from-china-almost-as-much-as-taiwanese-do-survey-finds (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/09/australians-fear-attack-from-china-almost-as-much-as-taiwanese-do-survey-finds)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 26, 2022, 05:27:23 AM
The new 21st century version of the ruthless European dictator.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 26, 2022, 08:09:24 AM
So....

Biden administration is actually holding back already funded weaponry from Ukraine?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 26, 2022, 09:56:15 AM
So....

Biden administration is actually holding back already funded weaponry from Ukraine?

I would like you to do us a favor
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 26, 2022, 09:56:42 AM
It is true that China's state run banks backed off some letters of credit.

But Beijing is trying to have it both ways.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/business/wheat-russia-china-intl-hnk/index.html

They are undoing restrictions on Russian wheat imports.

It's the petro market that Russia cannot afford to lose. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 26, 2022, 09:57:03 AM
So....

Biden administration is actually holding back already funded weaponry from Ukraine?

I would like you to do us a favor

Me too.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 26, 2022, 10:03:24 AM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.

Surely you don't believe Ukraine can beat Russia.
Stop calling me Shirley.

Viva la resistance.

All that will do is get all the men 18-60 who are being prevented from leaving Ukraine and being forced to fight Russia...slaughtered.

Says Bambi, concerned about loss of life, seven posts after he said "crank up the nukes."

You do understand when nukes are used, it means millions or billions of noncombatant lives lost and a global ecological catastrophe that will make the living envy the dead, right?   
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 26, 2022, 10:32:19 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/25/2082461/-I-m-not-usually-impressed-by-Tom-Friedman-but-he-may-have-a-point-or-two-about-Ukraine-and-Russia (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/25/2082461/-I-m-not-usually-impressed-by-Tom-Friedman-but-he-may-have-a-point-or-two-about-Ukraine-and-Russia)

Friedman indeed makes points worth making.  And I enjoyed the Isaac Asimov reference. 

One wonders what the lifespan of a kleptocracy can be, in a world that's as connected as Friedman reminds us it is.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 11:38:59 AM
I remember the USSR from when I was a kid, it was horrible, we had to worry about nuclear war, and the Soviets created problems in Cuba and in Latin America, Reagan hated the Soviets, then the USSR finally collapsed and on my birthday, November 9th, 1989, the Berlin Wall came down. Then in 1991 Pantera played in Moscow and the Cold War was over.

The People of Europe hated the USSR, and even the Russians hated it. There is a guy on You Tube called "The Crazy Russian Hacker" and he talks about how hard it was in Russia in the old days, even the Russians hated the USSR.

Putin is insane, and we need to remind the Russians how horrible life was under the USSR. Putin has fond memories of total bullshit, and we need to remind the Russians that the USSR was all bullshit and Putin is insane.

As we broadcast Rock and Roll radio to the Russians and stuff then we need to constantly remind them of how horrible it was under the USSR, and how much better life has become after the USSR crumbled. The old men need to tell the stories to the young people about how horrible the USSR was. We need to make sure that everyone understands that Putin is insane and the USSR was bullshit.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
Here is a link for The Crazy Russian Hacker, maybe he can help to talk some sense into the people of Russia, the people of Russia need to stop Putin.

https://www.youtube.com/user/CrazyRussianHacker

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 12:33:33 PM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.

Surely you don't believe Ukraine can beat Russia.
Stop calling me Shirley.

Viva la resistance.

All that will do is get all the men 18-60 who are being prevented from leaving Ukraine and being forced to fight Russia...slaughtered.

Says Bambi, concerned about loss of life, seven posts after he said "crank up the nukes."

You do understand when nukes are used, it means millions or billions of noncombatant lives lost and a global ecological catastrophe that will make the living envy the dead, right?

I do.
But, if the good guys don't have their nukes ready to fire, and the bad guys know that, the bad guys will keep right on doing what they're doing now.

Trump warned NK that it would cease to exist if it attacked the US or any of its allies.
NK stopped firing missiles around.
As soon as Trump left and Biden arrived NK raised its head again and as expected has joined up with China and is talking tough again.
Maybe if Russians think they're going to cease to exist they might just rid themselves of Putin, one way or another.
Maybe if Chinese think they're all going to cease to exist they might just rid themselves of Xi, one way or another, or at least make him stop threatening war.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 12:43:24 PM
We are going to make it to where no one can use nukes. We are working on missile defense, and we also have new technology which allows us to see nukes from space, as well as at our ports and entries. We are working to stop nuclear missiles, and we are working to stop all forms of transporting nukes without us seeing the nukes.

People are going to have to learn to use diplomacy, and other solutions, nuclear war needs be removed as an option.

And I support removing the bad apples, and keeping problems small. That is what the CIA is all about.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 12:54:57 PM
We are going to make it to where no one can use nukes. We are working on missile defense, and we also have new technology which allows us to see nukes from space, as well as at our ports and entries. We are working to stop nuclear missiles, and we are working to stop all forms of transporting nukes without us seeing the nukes.

People are going to have to learn to use diplomacy, and other solutions, nuclear war needs be removed as an option.

And I support removing the bad apples, and keeping problems small. That is what the CIA is all about.

Salute,

Tony V.

Russia, yes Russia, they keep electing and loving Putin, so It's all their fault.....rejected diplomacy and invaded Ukraine, and will invade all of Europe while threatening dire consequences for anyone trying to stop it....if the good guys don't have missiles ready to fire at Moscow.
Maybe the CIA could bump off Putin...in a 'surgical strike'.
What about some poison, that seems popular in Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 26, 2022, 01:01:39 PM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.

Surely you don't believe Ukraine can beat Russia.
Stop calling me Shirley.

Viva la resistance.

All that will do is get all the men 18-60 who are being prevented from leaving Ukraine and being forced to fight Russia...slaughtered.

Says Bambi, concerned about loss of life, seven posts after he said "crank up the nukes."

You do understand when nukes are used, it means millions or billions of noncombatant lives lost and a global ecological catastrophe that will make the living envy the dead, right?

I do.
But, if the good guys don't have their nukes ready to fire, and the bad guys know that, the bad guys will keep right on doing what they're doing now.

Trump warned NK that it would cease to exist if it attacked the US or any of its allies.
NK stopped firing missiles around.
As soon as Trump left and Biden arrived NK raised its head again and as expected has joined up with China and is talking tough again.
Maybe if Russians think they're going to cease to exist they might just rid themselves of Putin, one way or another.
Maybe if Chinese think they're all going to cease to exist they might just rid themselves of Xi, one way or another, or at least make him stop threatening war.

You really don't understand the strategic concept called MAD, do you?  There are no winning sides in a nuclear exchange. 

And NK never lowered its head, it never stopped working on warheads and missiles.  The change of administration had no effect. 

And Putin is a fascist dictator.  What citizens there think about nuclear war has no clout with him.  If he wants to act like a madman to intimidate opponents and get concessions, he will do so. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 01:09:07 PM
We are going to make it to where no one can use nukes. We are working on missile defense, and we also have new technology which allows us to see nukes from space, as well as at our ports and entries. We are working to stop nuclear missiles, and we are working to stop all forms of transporting nukes without us seeing the nukes.

People are going to have to learn to use diplomacy, and other solutions, nuclear war needs be removed as an option.

And I support removing the bad apples, and keeping problems small. That is what the CIA is all about.

Salute,

Tony V.

Russia, yes Russia, they keep electing and loving Putin, so It's all their fault.....rejected diplomacy and invaded Ukraine, and will invade all of Europe while threatening dire consequences for anyone trying to stop it....if the good guys don't have missiles ready to fire at Moscow.
Maybe the CIA could bump off Putin...in a a 'surgical strike'.
What about some poison, that seems popular in Russia.

We need to take out the bad guys, and we need to save the good people. And the CIA knows who the good people are in Russia, we need to arm the good people in Russia and bring the fighting out of the Ukraine and into Moscow instead, arm the good Russians to fight against the bad Russians, and take out the bad guys. Putin is a dead man, he will be killed shortly.

The CIA knows who to support, we need to get an internal conflict happening in Moscow, we need for the good Russians to kill the bad Russians.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 03:14:00 PM
Here is the CIA World Factbook report on Russia...

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/russia/

The Russians depend on Germany and China a lot, and Germany is on our side, if we can get China to side with us then that would help.

Right now China is just staying out of it, it appears China just wants peace and trade.

The good Russians need to remove Putin, pull the troops out of the Ukraine, and apologize to the world.

I am reminded of the movie "Patton" when the younger General criticizes the older General for pushing for a quick victory, and Patton tells him that a lot more men would have died if they were still there fighting on that hill. A quick victory, like in the 6 Day War with Israel, is the best outcome. Putin needs to be removed quickly. People need to go into Moscow and remove Putin. The focus of the fighting needs to go to Moscow. Make Putin fight and die in his own yard. Find Russians who are on our side and arm them, and put them in charge of the new Russian government. I wish I could talk with the CIA about who we can support in Russia. The battle needs to happen in Moscow instead of in the Ukraine.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 03:51:02 PM
Yes, China wants peace and trade...and wants Taiwan and Australia.
Hard to imagine China owning the clear skies of the outback from which to guide drones (like the US is doing now).
Hard to imagine the CIA/US base at Pine Gap being replaced by a Chinese one.
Hard to imagine the US warships visiting Sydney harbour being replaced by Chinese ones...doesn't seem right somehow.

Australians are watching the world do nothing to help Ukraine, but just stand by and watch Russia just invade it.
No one in the world did anything, scared of upsetting Putin.
The world trades with China, so Taiwan and Australia are right to imagine they'll be exactly like the people in Ukraine shown on my tv last night, cowering in their homes waiting for the end...not knowing if they'll be shot dead, or tortered to death by the Russian rape squads invading hordes...while the world watches and says "Oh dear, isn't that terrible"...not wanting to offend China and lose trade.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 26, 2022, 04:07:20 PM
Russia was continuously invading Ukraine during the trump misadministration-junta.

Under a legitimately elected President, Joe Biden, they soon realized they could not hold their gains or make further advances. Now they are making as much mess as possible on the way out with a desperate throw of the dice. A reprise of Hitler trying to split the Allies at the Bulge.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
I hate bullies, and Putin is being a bully. I hate to see it happen.

And what everyone wants is for the Ukraine to be strong like Israel and to win even though outnumbered, like Israel did in the 6 Day War. We help Israel, but they fight their own wars even though they are small. Israel has to be strong, it is the nature of the world we live in, and the Ukraine needs to be strong too. We all do.

When I was a little kid in Oregon the bullies used to beat me up because I am from California, and they kept beating me up until my uncle Dennis taught me how to fight and I started fighting back. I defeated the bullies after I learned how to fight, and they stopped picking on me. That is how we must be in this world.

And we need to have zero tolerance for invading other nations and killing innocent people. At this point I have no fear of Putin, only condemnation. The whole world needs to stand up against Putin, the same as we would stop any bully. And we learned that it just gets worse the longer bullies are allowed to continue. Putin needs to be condemned and quickly removed.

I fully agree with you Bambu, we would not just sit by and watch Australia get invaded, or any other nation, and we should not allow Putin to invade Ukraine. We need to hold Putin accountable as we would any criminal.

I support peace until he starts killing innocent people, and then it is time to go in and remove Putin, he crossed the line. So then once people decide to remove Putin then he needs to be removed quickly. The quicker the better.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 26, 2022, 05:03:13 PM
A friend of a FB friend writes the following:
Quote
The street signs are being removed in Kyiv right now. (My mother-in-law's) house number, too.

"The Ministry of Infrastructure has a sense of humour about it and shared the following (Photoshopped) picture telling the Russian invaders exactly ... where to go."

She translates the sign: "F off - F off again - F off to Russia." More or less. Technically, something more like ]Get on my dick ...' but generally translated as 'F off.'"

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274679402_10160039310640663_9201308087495147034_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=PzopJUm-ivQAX_plWwr&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT_P40eEcy7QktrueWAhFoCx79ucIW-SnMRenXkO4ySTEA&oe=621EB9F9)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 05:24:31 PM
The President of the Ukraine is Jewish, and I am sure that Israel will be more than happy to send weapons to the Ukraine. The Ukraine needs to be strong like Israel. And they need to take the fight to Moscow and remove Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on February 26, 2022, 05:40:02 PM
The Ukraine is outdated and often considered offensive, as though Ukraine was just a territory, a region, a place to colonize.  Just Ukraine thanks.


Krug Man discusses something I was thinking about.  Going after the ill-gotten gains of the Russian oligarchs.  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-sanctions-offshore-accounts.html
Freeze and seize their assets until they can prove where they got the money from.
A lot of it is in UK property, sports teams, and such.  Cyprus apparently a larded with Russian wealth as well.  Seize their assets and give it to the Ukrainians to fight Russia. 


Also, Europe should immediately stop buying Russian oil and gas.  Just stop doing trade with Russia entirely.  Stop giving Putin money.  Oil, gas and minerals is all Russia has.  A gas station with an army.


The Biden Admin should also start leaking all the info it has on the wealth that Putin has, the wealth his family members have, the wealth his inner circle has.  Expose the corruption and scale of the looting of Russia.
 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 26, 2022, 07:01:45 PM
For Tony, from history:

Quote
In the 1970s, Pete Seeger was invited to sing in Barcelona, Spain. Francisco Franco's fascist government, the last of the dictatorships that started World War II, was still in power but declining. A pro-democracy movement was gaining strength and to prove it, they invited America's best-known freedom singer to Spain. More than a hundred thousand people were in the stadium, where rock bands had played all day. But the crowd had come for Seeger.

As Pete prepared to go on, government officials handed him a list of songs he was not allowed to sing. Pete studied it mournfully, saying it looked an awful lot like his set list. But they insisted: he must not sing any of these songs.

Pete took the government's list of banned songs and strolled on stage. He held up the paper and said, "I've been told that I'm not allowed to sing these songs." He grinned at the crowd and said, "So I'll just play the chords; maybe you know the words. They didn't say anything about *you* singing them."

He strummed his banjo to one song after another, and they all sang. A hundred thousand defiant freedom singers breaking the law with Pete Seeger, filling the stadium with words their government did not want them to hear, words they all knew and had sung together, in secret circles, for years. What could the government do? Arrest a hundred thousand singers? It had been beaten by a few banjo chords and the fame of a man whose songs were on the lips of the whole world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 07:06:12 PM
The President of the Ukraine is Jewish, and I am sure that Israel will be more than happy to send weapons to the Ukraine. The Ukraine needs to be strong like Israel. And they need to take the fight to Moscow and remove Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.

Too late now, should've sent them months ago.
Russians are going to kill him as soon as they find him.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 07:22:44 PM
The people of Ukraine are going to fight to the death.
Ridiculous idea.
They should've surrendered on the first day.
With the world just watching them get massacred, they're never going to win.
Thank you for your input Marshal Petain.

Surely you don't believe Ukraine can beat Russia.
Stop calling me Shirley.

Viva la resistance.

All that will do is get all the men 18-60 who are being prevented from leaving Ukraine and being forced to fight Russia...slaughtered.

Says Bambi, concerned about loss of life, seven posts after he said "crank up the nukes."

You do understand when nukes are used, it means millions or billions of noncombatant lives lost and a global ecological catastrophe that will make the living envy the dead, right?

I do.
But, if the good guys don't have their nukes ready to fire, and the bad guys know that, the bad guys will keep right on doing what they're doing now.

Trump warned NK that it would cease to exist if it attacked the US or any of its allies.
NK stopped firing missiles around.
As soon as Trump left and Biden arrived NK raised its head again and as expected has joined up with China and is talking tough again.
Maybe if Russians think they're going to cease to exist they might just rid themselves of Putin, one way or another.
Maybe if Chinese think they're all going to cease to exist they might just rid themselves of Xi, one way or another, or at least make him stop threatening war.

You really don't understand the strategic concept called MAD, do you?  There are no winning sides in a nuclear exchange. 

And NK never lowered its head, it never stopped working on warheads and missiles.  The change of administration had no effect. 

And Putin is a fascist dictator.  What citizens there think about nuclear war has no clout with him.  If he wants to act like a madman to intimidate opponents and get concessions, he will do so.

Which he's doing very well ...and is working very well for him now.
Should be interesting after he's taken Ukraine and starts invading Latvia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 26, 2022, 07:23:08 PM
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/2400-years-of-european-history
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 26, 2022, 08:21:41 PM
The Ukraine is outdated and often considered offensive, as though Ukraine was just a territory, a region, a place to colonize.  Just Ukraine thanks.


Krug Man discusses something I was thinking about.  Going after the ill-gotten gains of the Russian oligarchs.  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-sanctions-offshore-accounts.html
Freeze and seize their assets until they can prove where they got the money from.
A lot of it is in UK property, sports teams, and such.  Cyprus apparently a larded with Russian wealth as well.  Seize their assets and give it to the Ukrainians to fight Russia. 


Also, Europe should immediately stop buying Russian oil and gas.  Just stop doing trade with Russia entirely.  Stop giving Putin money.  Oil, gas and minerals is all Russia has.  A gas station with an army.


The Biden Admin should also start leaking all the info it has on the wealth that Putin has, the wealth his family members have, the wealth his inner circle has.  Expose the corruption and scale of the looting of Russia.

I think UK, EU and US are working on asset seizure as we speak.  A lot of people know Putin runs a kleptocracy.   Rachel Maddow had a good segment on how small and petro-dependent the Russian economy is - GNP smaller than Italy, average wage lower than Romania - and yet is by far the largest nation on Earth with one tenth of the total land area.  The oligarchs are vampires, sucking Russia dry.  I'll try to find a link to Maddow.

Zelenskyy, the more I learn of him, the more impressive I find him.  Really starting to like him, which means I will be all the more angry if they send him off to a gulag.  Putin seems like a monster, out to smother the potential and waste the talents of Russia and surrounding nations. 

Will read Krug Man when I can find a way.  Paywall is getting stricter and I've used up free articles on both email signups I have there.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 08:27:57 PM
Russia was continuously invading Ukraine during the trump misadministration-junta.

Under a legitimately elected President, Joe Biden, they soon realized they could not hold their gains or make further advances. Now they are making as much mess as possible on the way out with a desperate throw of the dice. A reprise of Hitler trying to split the Allies at the Bulge.

Russia will own Ukraine soon.
Own the lot of it.
Then, whilever no one will go to war with it, will just keep going, take all the Balkans, Poland, everywhere in Europe.
Russian tanks, planes, and missiles will just subdue Europe.
Trump said it true, Europe didn't spend enough on its own defences, used America, relied on America.
American taxpayers should not have to pay for defence of Europe. European taxpayers should.

Ditto China...it'll attack Taiwan, then if no one goes to war with it, it'll keep going, take Australia etc.
Eventually Russia and China will own the whole world except for America.
America v The Russia/China world.
No degree from Harvard needed to know who'll win that one.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 08:53:38 PM
The Ukraine is outdated and often considered offensive, as though Ukraine was just a territory, a region, a place to colonize.  Just Ukraine thanks.


Krug Man discusses something I was thinking about.  Going after the ill-gotten gains of the Russian oligarchs.  https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/opinion/russia-ukraine-sanctions-offshore-accounts.html
Freeze and seize their assets until they can prove where they got the money from.
A lot of it is in UK property, sports teams, and such.  Cyprus apparently a larded with Russian wealth as well.  Seize their assets and give it to the Ukrainians to fight Russia. 


Also, Europe should immediately stop buying Russian oil and gas.  Just stop doing trade with Russia entirely.  Stop giving Putin money.  Oil, gas and minerals is all Russia has.  A gas station with an army.


The Biden Admin should also start leaking all the info it has on the wealth that Putin has, the wealth his family members have, the wealth his inner circle has.  Expose the corruption and scale of the looting of Russia.

I think UK, EU and US are working on asset seizure as we speak.  A lot of people know Putin runs a kleptocracy.   Rachel Maddow had a good segment on how small and petro-dependent the Russian economy is - GNP smaller than Italy, average wage lower than Romania - and yet is by far the largest nation on Earth with one tenth of the total land area.  The oligarchs are vampires, sucking Russia dry.  I'll try to find a link to Maddow.

Zelenskyy, the more I learn of him, the more impressive I find him.  Really starting to like him, which means I will be all the more angry if they send him off to a gulag.  Putin seems like a monster, out to smother the potential and waste the talents of Russia and surrounding nations. 

Will read Krug Man when I can find a way.  Paywall is getting stricter and I've used up free articles on both email signups I have there.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy
President of Ukraine

Volodymyr Oleksandrovych Zelenskyy is a Ukrainian politician, former actor and comedian who has been serving as the president of Ukraine since 2019. Zelenskyy grew up in Kryvyi Rih, a Russian-speaking region in southeastern Ukraine.

#####

He starred in '8 First Dates'.

We won't be hearing anything from poor ol' Volodymyr once the Russians catch him...the only date he'll be having will be with the executioner or the gulag.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 26, 2022, 08:53:58 PM
Can Russia sustain massed troops and supply lines around Ukrainian cities long enough to form lines of battle? The losses just getting lead elements into position exceeds all expectations.

Every hour this takes is another few truckloads of stingers and javelins and who knows what else making their way towards various fronts.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 26, 2022, 09:08:49 PM
Will read Krug Man when I can find a way.  Paywall is getting stricter and I've used up free articles on both email signups I have there.

https://archive.fo/iyDzA from the 24th. The 25th doesn't look inspiring, but find a url and plug it in.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 09:27:14 PM
Bambu, Ukraine needs to go straight to Moscow and kill Putin. Quickly.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 26, 2022, 09:31:45 PM
For Tony, from history:

Quote
In the 1970s, Pete Seeger was invited to sing in Barcelona, Spain. Francisco Franco's fascist government, the last of the dictatorships that started World War II, was still in power but declining. A pro-democracy movement was gaining strength and to prove it, they invited America's best-known freedom singer to Spain. More than a hundred thousand people were in the stadium, where rock bands had played all day. But the crowd had come for Seeger.

As Pete prepared to go on, government officials handed him a list of songs he was not allowed to sing. Pete studied it mournfully, saying it looked an awful lot like his set list. But they insisted: he must not sing any of these songs.

Pete took the government's list of banned songs and strolled on stage. He held up the paper and said, "I've been told that I'm not allowed to sing these songs." He grinned at the crowd and said, "So I'll just play the chords; maybe you know the words. They didn't say anything about *you* singing them."

He strummed his banjo to one song after another, and they all sang. A hundred thousand defiant freedom singers breaking the law with Pete Seeger, filling the stadium with words their government did not want them to hear, words they all knew and had sung together, in secret circles, for years. What could the government do? Arrest a hundred thousand singers? It had been beaten by a few banjo chords and the fame of a man whose songs were on the lips of the whole world.
I wish the bands could have came in before Putin crossed the line.

I was trying, I told Carlos Santana and Jon Bon Jovi to play in Russia for peace.

We still have Rock and Roll radio, we can send our message to the young people of Russia.

We need to remove Putin quickly.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 26, 2022, 10:18:48 PM
Bambu, Ukraine needs to go straight to Moscow and kill Putin. Quickly.

Again, how do you propose they do that?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 26, 2022, 11:03:26 PM
Bambu, Ukraine needs to go straight to Moscow and kill Putin. Quickly.

Again, how do you propose they do that?

Those on the next level below Vlad are sharpening their knives because by now they are jockeying for the position to take a shot at the champ.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 26, 2022, 11:12:59 PM
The Russian Bear has discovered how hard it is to swallow a porcupine.

Putin is learning a hard lesson from the tougher than expected resistance mounted by Ukraine:

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mike Tyson
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 26, 2022, 11:37:04 PM
The Russian people are the only ones who can kill Putin.
Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying.
So far seems no one much wants to die for the cause, of his death.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 27, 2022, 12:11:03 AM
The Russian people are the only ones who can kill Putin.
Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying.
So far seems no one much wants to die for the cause, of his death.

"Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying."

One of the dumbest things you have ever said.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 05:05:11 AM
The Russian people are the only ones who can kill Putin.
Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying.
So far seems no one much wants to die for the cause, of his death.

"Unless it's someone from his inner circle, any attempt on his life could result in death for those trying."

One of the dumbest things you have ever said.

NOW...Germany is going to send weapons to Ukraine...a lot late.
Everyone should've sent weapons to Ukraine, instead of just doing nothing, standing around watching.
Missiles that can reach Moscow, time to blow up Moscow...only 530 miles from Kyiv to Moscow.
Oh, Putin wouldn't like that...so best try something else.
Putin doesn't mind firing missiles at Kyiv etc in Ukraine though.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 27, 2022, 10:50:15 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 27, 2022, 11:13:56 AM
They reset the clock on Jan.20.  Might have to reset it again?

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

Am really hoping Russian command has a Mark Milley equivalent!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 12:09:21 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.

Like I said before..."crank up the nukes".
Time to tell the Russian people...Biden should be the one to say it:
"If Russia fires a nuclear missile at anyone, you will all be dead, because the West will nuke you in reply".

Germany likely had a look at the map closely and said to itself;
"Geez Loiuse, we're only Poland away from invasion by Russia if it takes Ukraine...we'd better do something now".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 27, 2022, 12:24:06 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.

Like I said before..."crank up the nukes".
Time to tell the Russian people...Biden should be the one to say it:
"If Russia fires a nuclear missile at anyone, you will all be dead, because the West will nuke you in reply".

Germany likely had a look at the map closely and said to itself;
"Geez Loiuse, we're only Poland away from invasion by Russia if it takes Ukraine...we'd better do something now".


I guess you never heard of Mutual Assured Destruction, huh?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 12:27:14 PM
They reset the clock on Jan.20.  Might have to reset it again?

https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/

Am really hoping Russian command has a Mark Milley equivalent!

We could all be dead next week.
This could be the end of civilisation on earth.
This is what the world gets for just allowing Putin to exist for so long.
There were plenty of opportunities to kill him, those have now vanished.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 12:29:11 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/putin-orders-nuclear-deterrent-forces-high-alert-tensions-build-ukrain-rcna17853

Sigh.

Like I said before..."crank up the nukes".
Time to tell the Russian people...Biden should be the one to say it:
"If Russia fires a nuclear missile at anyone, you will all be dead, because the West will nuke you in reply".

Germany likely had a look at the map closely and said to itself;
"Geez Loiuse, we're only Poland away from invasion by Russia if it takes Ukraine...we'd better do something now".


I guess you never heard of Mutual Assured Destruction, huh?

Got any other suggestions as to what we should do if Putin starts nuking Europe?

What if...Putin's Russia nukes Kiev/Kyiv or whatever it's called.
What if he does?
The West will probably do nothing, let the nuking be localised....being scared of Putin and who/whom he might nuke next.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 27, 2022, 12:50:21 PM
I saw a Christian preacher in the Ukraine on television this morning, and he said that he cannot leave, he said that he needs to stay in the Ukraine to minister to the people of his church and to help the people from his church.

Many people in the Ukraine seem to be very good and brave people, and they seem to have a good President.

So far as the good people going on the offensive and going to Moscow and killing Putin, they need to organize and they need to plan and they need to figure it out. And we need to find out who the people are in Russia who we can support, we need to know who the good Russians are.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 27, 2022, 01:24:20 PM
Kiwanis International is a global club of good people who do good things to serve the children of the world and to help people. Maybe Kiwanis can organize to help to remove Putin and end the invasion, there are Russians in Moscow who are in Kiwanis International.

https://www.kiwanis.org/

The people in Russia who are in Kiwanis International are good Russians who can help to remove Putin, and who can help to run Russia after Putin is removed.

As we look for good people in Russia, we can look at the members of Kiwanis as being on our team.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 27, 2022, 03:57:40 PM
If they can make an alliance with the Shriners, you may have something there Tony.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 27, 2022, 04:08:20 PM
http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/26/how-not-to-lose-a-world-war-between-authoritarianism-and-democracy-2/ (http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/26/how-not-to-lose-a-world-war-between-authoritarianism-and-democracy-2/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 27, 2022, 04:40:59 PM
Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 27, 2022, 04:45:24 PM
Got any other suggestions as to what we should do if Putin starts nuking Europe?

What if...Putin's Russia nukes Kiev/Kyiv or whatever it's called...why can't eastern Europe have simple names like Bill, Jack and Tom....New York, York, Greenville.

1) If he initiates nukes, he will get some in return.

2) If he nukes Keev, then he will be obliterating his own troops and people. Radiation fallout doesn't stay in nice little regions or heed borders. He will have attacked every country that borders Ukraine by that action.

He may wish to seem a madman, but it is not a convincing pose.

3) As for names, you really are a bigoted asshole, Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 27, 2022, 04:47:45 PM
Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.

Like we're going to take advice from a person who insisted that the West was making shit up and who spread the Putin-based lie about who runs Ukraine.

Ready to admit your mistakes, yet?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 27, 2022, 05:28:04 PM
Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.

Shhhhh...

Diplomacy and sanctions are working.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 27, 2022, 07:23:38 PM
I think people will be quoting "I need ammunition, I don't need a ride." for many years.

Zelensky is a man of courage, leadership, and grace under pressure.   Not bad for a greenhorn!

The sanctions are starting to cumulate in a meaningful way.  I see BP has disinvested from the Russian state oil company. 

And no, Putin is not nuking lands that he is directly downwind of.  In the northern hemisphere, prevailing winds are from the west. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 07:50:59 PM
Putin and an armed drone made for each other. Keep thinking of that line from "saving private Ryan" from the sniper Private Daniel Jackson. He was chosen by Captain Miller to be part of a squad to find Private James Francis Ryan. While hiking to Neuville, he professed that God made him "a fine instrument of warfare", bragging that he could kill Adolf Hitler from up to a mile away.
Putin appears to be a thug, a racist, and a war monger.

Shhhhh...

Diplomacy and sanctions are working.

Putin laughs at sanctions.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 27, 2022, 08:08:13 PM
I can read both Russian and Ukrainian Cyrillic.  Київ is more accurately transcribed as Kyiv. 

The old spelling is offensive to a Ukrainian because "Kiev" was the Russian name (киев).  IOW the older transcription basically says "the city belongs to Russia."

Надеюсь, это поможет!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 08:09:30 PM
Got any other suggestions as to what we should do if Putin starts nuking Europe?

What if...Putin's Russia nukes Kiev/Kyiv or whatever it's called...why can't eastern Europe have simple names like Bill, Jack and Tom....New York, York, Greenville.

1) If he initiates nukes, he will get some in return.

2) If he nukes Keev, then he will be obliterating his own troops and people. Radiation fallout doesn't stay in nice little regions or heed borders. He will have attacked every country that borders Ukraine by that action.

He may wish to seem a madman, but it is not a convincing pose.

3) As for names, you really are a bigoted asshole, Bambu.

I deleted tha names bit...not the standard I should be striving for.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 27, 2022, 09:31:41 PM
https://theconversation.com/just-short-of-nuclear-the-latest-financial-sanctions-will-cripple-russias-economy-178000
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 27, 2022, 09:39:05 PM
Protest in St. Petersburg:

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274706631_10159941544045359_8783068691456561417_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=jmQZGMXl6loAX86ZNRJ&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-7X7nZtEh93oJ3GerEbTCdymr6FPG2E-Wz0tPVM5a7vA&oe=6221162D)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 27, 2022, 10:29:12 PM
I can read both Russian and Ukrainian Cyrillic.  Київ is more accurately transcribed as Kyiv. 

The old spelling is offensive to a Ukrainian because "Kiev" was the Russian name (киев).  IOW the older transcription basically says "the city belongs to Russia."

Надеюсь, это поможет!

Whoa!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 10:31:40 PM
Putin laughs at protesters.
Putin and the richest of the rich in Russia laugh at sanctions.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 10:33:03 PM
Why sanctions on Russia won't work

Just a few ultra-wealthy individuals sit at the top of the economic pyramid. As it was under the Czars, the issue in Russia now is that the population is mainly poor...with average annual per capita income around one fifth of that in the U.S.
Ultimately, the poverty-stricken will feel the bite of sanctions far more than the elite.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2022, 10:41:02 PM
https://time.com/6150607/why-sanctions-on-russia-wont-work/ (https://time.com/6150607/why-sanctions-on-russia-wont-work/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 27, 2022, 11:40:52 PM
Why sanctions on Russia won't work

Just a few ultra-wealthy individuals sit at the top of the economic pyramid. As it was under the Czars, the issue in Russia now is that the population is mainly poor...with average annual per capita income around one fifth of that in the U.S.
Ultimately, the poverty-stricken will feel the bite of sanctions far more than the elite.

Yep. And that cratering economy, the body bags of loved ones returning home and Putin walking around waving his dick yelling I got NUKES! will probably lead to be a very shitty spring for Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 28, 2022, 12:25:58 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/27/politics/mitt-romney-gop-ukraine-russia/index.html

'I've got morons on my team': Romney blasts fellow GOP members for attending White nationalist event and supporting Putin
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on February 28, 2022, 12:47:17 AM
https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-02-27/ukrainians-return-from-abroad-fight-russian-invasion-5165975.html

22,000+ have crossed the border into Ukraine, returning to their homeland to fight against the Russian invasion.

This is by no means suggesting that Ukraine is winning, but this is not the war that I think Putin was expecting. Nowhere near it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on February 28, 2022, 01:40:47 AM
There's talk about iffy Russian morale.  A large %, up to half(?), of the Russian invasion force are said to be conscripts on 12 month stints.  Reportedly many were told they were going on a training exercise when sent to the border areas.  Presumably they were intended to be used as mopping up and hold forces after quick Russian victories.   If such inexperienced soldiers are forced to fight, that levels things some.

Some of Putin's rhetoric works against him -- if the Ukrainians and Russians are one people and brothers, why kill them?  Obviously protecting the Donbass Russian speakers doesn't require a mass invasion of the country and capitol.  Just insert Russian troops into those two provinces and any perceived threat is over.  Have to wonder how much Russians believe Putin's rhetoric.

Putin reportedly sent in ruthless, battle-hardened Chechen units and thugs.  They might know urban combat, but also in Grozny they just leveled much of the city to root out resisters.  Intentionally targeting hospitals or apartment buildings is a favorite Russian tactic, used in Syria and Chechnya, designed to instill panic and lower resistance, make it seem Russia has more missiles than it does, and of course will be lied off as accidental.

Kazakhstan declined sending troops after Putin's request. 
Maybe if Ukraine holds out a few more days, western missiles and other weaponry might be enough to delay Russia, mess with their supply lines, conduct rearguard attacks on their weakest soldiers, keep an armed resistance going.   Some talk about some Russian soldiers being poorly equipped.  Dead soldiers coming back to Russia isn't going to be good for Putin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 28, 2022, 02:17:33 AM
With all of the bullshit that the Russians have caused in the world we should send the fucking Colombians to give Putin a Colombian neck tie.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2022, 04:24:52 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/27/2082836/-Kremlin-sends-400-mercenaries-from-private-militia-Wagner-into-Kyiv-to-assassinate-Zelenskyy (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/27/2082836/-Kremlin-sends-400-mercenaries-from-private-militia-Wagner-into-Kyiv-to-assassinate-Zelenskyy)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on February 28, 2022, 08:17:23 AM
Really the proper NATO response to the invasion of Ukraine would be a blitzkrieg into Belarus, overthrowing Lukashenko and installing the democratic winner of the last election (currently in exile in Lithuania).   Would throw Putin's plans totally into disarray.  Remove a Russia ally and staging ground.  Demonstrate NATO's prowess by overthrowing Belarus quickly.  Embolden Ukrainian resistance.  Then you can negotiate with Putin over Ukraine from a position of strength. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 28, 2022, 09:11:49 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 28, 2022, 09:38:59 AM
Doesn't NATO have treaty obligations regarding invading non NATO countries?  And invading Belarus seems tantamount to saying, Hi, let's have WW3!

I think Ukraine's best hope is they have such a huge and formidable resistance that can get "embedded in the brickwork" and make the cities hornets nests.  Russia, unless it does something reprehensible to further its pariah status (carpet bomb cities, for example), would face many years of bloody urban combat.  Which its hobbled economy cannot do, and most citizens would turn against.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 28, 2022, 12:06:23 PM
Dozens killed, hundreds injured as Putin bombs Ukraine.

Russia has unleashed a civilian attack with a devastating missile and rocket  bombardment as Kremlin officials met to talk about peace.

#####

The West is a disgrace for not arming Ukraine properly.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 28, 2022, 01:55:12 PM
EU has deployed fighter jets and tens of thousands of anti-tank and machine guns to Ukraine.

#####

About time.

________

Putin has hired, thru one of his best buddies, mercenaries from Africa to kill the President of Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2022, 03:05:14 PM
Dead soldiers coming back to Russia isn't going to be good for Putin.

Putin sent mobile crematoria into theater. He had a cable news feed all through our shrub wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I doubt he thought he would have to run them as much as the actual situation is demanding.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2022, 03:41:21 PM
http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/28/questions-for-bill-barr-about-his-cover-ups-pertaining-to-ukraine-and-russia-starting-with-who-withdrew-the-red-notice-for-yevgeniy-prigozhin/ (http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/02/28/questions-for-bill-barr-about-his-cover-ups-pertaining-to-ukraine-and-russia-starting-with-who-withdrew-the-red-notice-for-yevgeniy-prigozhin/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2022, 06:41:33 PM
http://www.salon.com/2022/02/28/trumpers-play-fascist-peekaboo-are-marjorie-taylor-greene-and-tucker-carlson-backpedaling-on-putin/ (http://www.salon.com/2022/02/28/trumpers-play-fascist-peekaboo-are-marjorie-taylor-greene-and-tucker-carlson-backpedaling-on-putin/)

Keep your eye on that fifth column.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 28, 2022, 07:06:28 PM
Probably not popular but a differing view than the standard Western knee-jerk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 28, 2022, 07:46:30 PM
EU has deployed fighter jets and tens of thousands of anti-tank and machine guns to Ukraine.

#####

About time.

________

Putin has hired, thru one of his best buddies, mercenaries from Africa to kill the President of Ukraine.


Just where does anyone think these jets are going to take off from if they even manage to get into Ukraine? Where will Ukraine get the trained pilots to fly them? The Western media would have everyone believe that Ukrainian jets of the Ukrainian air force are just flying around inside the country conducting missions. When the truth is the skies over Ukraine are owned by the Russian air force. Nobody wants war and the concerned medias of both sides tend to lie their collective asses off.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2022, 08:13:53 PM
They are essentially the same Migs Ukraine uses. They have mobile launch setups they move around which is why hitting airfields has not grounded the ones they had already. More birds in the pipe, minimal retraining required. Maintaining and renewing your pilot corps is the main trick.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2022, 08:14:20 PM
http://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/the-west-is-winning-russia-is-losing?utm_source=url (http://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/the-west-is-winning-russia-is-losing?utm_source=url)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 28, 2022, 08:26:12 PM
They are essentially the same Migs Ukraine uses. They have mobile launch setups they move around which is why hitting airfields has not grounded the ones they had already. More birds in the pipe, minimal retraining required. Maintaining and renewing your pilot corps is the main trick.

If they are, and they actually manage to get off the ground,(aka not getting destroyed as they are trucked in) they will simply be shot down like the rest. A few aircraft isn't going to make a rats ass difference in the sky. And servicing them would be next to impossible. The Russians have the same eye in the sky that everyone else has.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 28, 2022, 08:53:17 PM
Probably not popular but a differing view than the standard Western knee-jerk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc)

The attack on residential neighborhood in Kharkiv today somewhat undermines his thesis that Russia has no intent to harm Ukrainian noncombatants or hurt the country.  Those were not shells going astray.  The footage is unambiguous.  As for simply assuming that we accept the rhetorical use of "knee-jerk" to dismiss western journalists who work in dangerous war zones, sorry, that's just sophistry.  You need evidence.  Especially when a proven ruthless dictator and murderous thug starts firing rockets and dropping bombs on major population centers and its captured by hundreds of thousands of cellphone cameras. 

In countries where almost everyone has a smartphone and some ability to upload, it's a lot harder to hide destruction and murder of civilians. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on February 28, 2022, 08:58:34 PM
They are essentially the same Migs Ukraine uses. They have mobile launch setups they move around which is why hitting airfields has not grounded the ones they had already. More birds in the pipe, minimal retraining required. Maintaining and renewing your pilot corps is the main trick.

If they are, and they actually manage to get off the ground,(aka not getting destroyed as they are trucked in) they will simply be shot down like the rest. A few aircraft isn't going to make a rats ass difference in the sky. And servicing them would be next to impossible. The Russians have the same eye in the sky that everyone else has.

It will be Hungarian style urban fighting that will be the real migraine for Russia, I would guess.  Embedded in the brickwork with assault rifles, Javelin ATTs, Molotov cocktails, IEDs, RPGs, etc the Ukrainian people will make taking cities a deep and sucking bog for Putin. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2022, 09:15:19 PM
If sanctions kick in in a few weeks without Russia dominating airspace, locking in supply lines, and holding some major cities, Russia may have a hard think about a full withdrawal. Keeping Ukraine alive and supplied in every way is the best thing we can do right now to help based on the current state of play.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on February 28, 2022, 09:35:19 PM
They are essentially the same Migs Ukraine uses. They have mobile launch setups they move around which is why hitting airfields has not grounded the ones they had already. More birds in the pipe, minimal retraining required. Maintaining and renewing your pilot corps is the main trick.

If they are, and they actually manage to get off the ground,(aka not getting destroyed as they are trucked in) they will simply be shot down like the rest. A few aircraft isn't going to make a rats ass difference in the sky. And servicing them would be next to impossible. The Russians have the same eye in the sky that everyone else has.

It will be Hungarian style urban fighting that will be the real migraine for Russia, I would guess.  Embedded in the brickwork with assault rifles, Javelin ATTs, Molotov cocktails, IEDs, RPGs, etc the Ukrainian people will make taking cities a deep and sucking bog for Putin.

The Bear is trying to swallow the porcupine
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 01, 2022, 01:35:33 AM
ScoMo just took $100m out of the bambuland 'war chest ' to give to Ukraine.
Not sure what they'll get for $100m but I guess it's better than nothing.

Russian vodka pulled from liquor store shelves downunder.
Everything Russian is on the nose.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 01, 2022, 07:34:10 AM
Frightening how a blood thirsty madman can still take complete control of a modern democracy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 01, 2022, 09:20:07 AM
Frightening how a blood thirsty madman can still take complete control of a modern democracy.

Simple really...it's happening because the West is doing nothing, just allowing it to happen.
Ye olde:  "evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
Well good men are doing nothing, too scared to upset the blood thirsty madman.
Of course, the whole Russian regime is doing it, not just the madman.
Europe obviously learnt absolutely nothing from WW11 and Hitler.
Hitler is back, Europe got conned again.

Trump said it true:  "Putiin is smart, but it's not that Putin is smart, it's that our (West) leaders are dumb".
Truer words have never been spoken.

Sky News said it true:

WEST IGNORED THE RISE OF CHINA AND RUSSIA.
CLIMATE CHANGE FOLLY SANK THE WEST (Para...something like that).
Yes, West was busy beating itself up over climate change instead of arming itself.
Only having one country (USA) armed to the teeth was total folly.
Relying on the blood thirsty madman's oil and gas was unbelievable folly.
ScoMo and Australia are not the enemies, but they're the ones the West attacks all the time..."burning too much coal", "not doing enough for women and women's rights"...etc etc etc.
Russia and China are the enemies, the ones threatening and doing war! But the West loves them, Russia is the Chair of the UN, the blood thirsty madman and his regime are ruling the world.  LOL
China, vice President of the world, has everyone tied a up and handcuffed with trade. The dumb West fell for its tempting charms.

Too late for Ukraine and its people. Russia...Putin is only one man...is now bombing Ukraine to bits, soon there'll be nothing left but rubble...no buildings left and no people left alive.
All the dumb West basically does is watch on saying "oh dear, isn't that terrible".

Trump is 100% correct...dumb dumb dumb is the West.
Finland borders Russia, next to it are Norway and Sweden, what defences do they have, these "best countries in the world"?
Any oil rigs, any coal mines, any gas mines...how much are they paying the US for their security?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 01, 2022, 09:58:02 AM
Powerful stuff

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1498626678846799875?s=21
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 01, 2022, 10:32:07 AM
...

скучно до слез

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 01, 2022, 12:09:37 PM
http://www.thebulwark.com/death-to-rt/ (http://www.thebulwark.com/death-to-rt/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 01, 2022, 12:39:39 PM

скучно до слез = bored to tears?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 01, 2022, 12:45:02 PM
"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 01, 2022, 01:44:56 PM
The United Nations needs to declare Putin to be a war criminal. And then we should go in and remove him. Just like with Noriega.

Instead of World War 3 we need for the whole world to unite against Putin.

And the battle needs to happen in Moscow instead of in Ukraine. 

Putin is now a war criminal.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 01, 2022, 01:48:49 PM
The Russian equivalent of republicans has run that country for decades ruthlessly crushing all potential opposition. What you are seeing unfold in Russia now is the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 01, 2022, 01:53:43 PM
The United Nations needs to declare Putin to be a war criminal. And then we should go in and remove him.

Sometimes your fantasy land is just a wee bit hard to take.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 01, 2022, 01:54:24 PM
The Russian equivalent of republicans has run that country for decades ruthlessly crushing all potential opposition. What you are seeing unfold in Russia now is the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world.

Hyperbole, just the weest bit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 01, 2022, 02:14:42 PM
An authoritarian kleptocracy, run by a mob spouting incoherent racists mysoginistic, anti-gay, and pseudo-religious paranoid rhetoric to cover their actions while everything under their influence decays. One law for the rich, another for the poor enforced by an endless stream of violence.

Not hyperbole, not even a wee bit.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/28/2083065/-White-nationalists-flaunt-their-traction-within-Republican-Party-at-annual-gathering-in-Florida (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/28/2083065/-White-nationalists-flaunt-their-traction-within-Republican-Party-at-annual-gathering-in-Florida)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 01, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
The Russian equivalent of republicans has run that country for decades ruthlessly crushing all potential opposition. What you are seeing unfold in Russia now is the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world.

Hyperbole, just the weest bit.

 Not in the least!

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 01, 2022, 02:41:41 PM
Probably not popular but a differing view than the standard Western knee-jerk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc)

The attack on residential neighborhood in Kharkiv today somewhat undermines his thesis that Russia has no intent to harm Ukrainian noncombatants or hurt the country.  Those were not shells going astray.  The footage is unambiguous.  As for simply assuming that we accept the rhetorical use of "knee-jerk" to dismiss western journalists who work in dangerous war zones, sorry, that's just sophistry.  You need evidence.  Especially when a proven ruthless dictator and murderous thug starts firing rockets and dropping bombs on major population centers and its captured by hundreds of thousands of cellphone cameras. 

In countries where almost everyone has a smartphone and some ability to upload, it's a lot harder to hide destruction and murder of civilians.


Yes, it shows that the Russians are losing their patience. But it doesn't negate the restraint the Russians had displayed up until this incident. As it was inevitable that this would happen at some point. War is an ugly thing.  I pray it doesn't escalate and it is only an isolated incident by overzealous Russian commanders whose soldiers are dying. Because Russian soldiers are dying so eventually they will up the ante. All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII. American desire for hegemony over the world exists even though the western media never admit that. That's why we are at odds with countries like Russia and China. The cold war never ended my friend, it goes on.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 01, 2022, 02:44:53 PM
Frightening how a blood thirsty madman can still take complete control of a modern democracy.

Simple really...it's happening because the West is doing nothing, just allowing it to happen.
Ye olde:  "evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
Well good men are doing nothing, too scared to upset the blood thirsty madman.
Of course, the whole Russian regime is doing it, not just the madman.
Europe obviously learnt absolutely nothing from WW11 and Hitler.
Hitler is back, Europe got conned again.

Trump said it true:  "Putiin is smart, but it's not that Putin is smart, it's that our (West) leaders are dumb".
Truer words have never been spoken.

Sky News said it true:

WEST IGNORED THE RISE OF CHINA AND RUSSIA.
CLIMATE CHANGE FOLLY SANK THE WEST (Para...something like that).
Yes, West was busy beating itself up over climate change instead of arming itself.
Only having one country (USA) armed to the teeth was total folly.
Relying on the blood thirsty madman's oil and gas was unbelievable folly.
ScoMo and Australia are not the enemies, but they're the ones the West attacks all the time..."burning too much coal", "not doing enough for women and women's rights"...etc etc etc.
Russia and China are the enemies, the ones threatening and doing war! But the West loves them, Russia is the Chair of the UN, the blood thirsty madman and his regime are ruling the world.  LOL
China, vice President of the world, has everyone tied a up and handcuffed with trade. The dumb West fell for its tempting charms.

Too late for Ukraine and its people. Russia...Putin is only one man...is now bombing Ukraine to bits, soon there'll be nothing left but rubble...no buildings left and no people left alive.
All the dumb West basically does is watch on saying "oh dear, isn't that terrible".

Trump is 100% correct...dumb dumb dumb is the West.
Finland borders Russia, next to it are Norway and Sweden, what defences do they have, these "best countries in the world"?
Any oil rigs, any coal mines, any gas mines...how much are they paying the US for their security?


Very good for the most part. I would add American corporations who are in bed with China and continue to be in bed with them like AT&T and many many others are just as much to blame.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 01, 2022, 02:45:31 PM
http://www.thebulwark.com/death-to-rt/ (http://www.thebulwark.com/death-to-rt/)

Don't disagree, not even a wee bit.  Put a sock in the Russian piehole.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 01, 2022, 02:49:21 PM

скучно до слез = bored to tears?

Bambi has been a wee bit one-note of late. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 01, 2022, 02:50:38 PM
The United Nations needs to declare Putin to be a war criminal. And then we should go in and remove him. Just like with Noriega.

Instead of World War 3 we need for the whole world to unite against Putin.

And the battle needs to happen in Moscow instead of in Ukraine. 

Putin is now a war criminal.

Salute,

Tony V.
The UN cannot declare someone a war criminal, not to any effect. There is a legal process for that. And the rest of your post sways between naive and dangerously stupid.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 01, 2022, 02:57:00 PM

 All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII.
Russia invaded a sovereign nation that did not threaten it at all. You are aware of that, right?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 01, 2022, 03:00:47 PM

Yes, it shows that the Russians are losing their patience. But it doesn't negate the restraint the Russians had displayed up until this incident. As it was inevitable that this would happen at some point. War is an ugly thing.  I pray it doesn't escalate and it is only an isolated incident by overzealous Russian commanders whose soldiers are dying. Because Russian soldiers are dying so eventually they will up the ante. All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII. American desire for hegemony over the world exists even though the western media never admit that. That's why we are at odds with countries like Russia and China. The cold war never ended my friend, it goes on.

We define "restraint" differently, but perhaps the coming weeks will clarify on that. 

I can't really speak for what the West wants, but I would guess most Americans just favor fledgling democracies (like Ukraine) being left to fledge in peace, and are not preoccupied with subjugation of Russia.  If we were keen on that, I think the Crimean takeover a few years back would have provoked more response than it did.

It's hard to tell sometimes who genuinely wants to nurture democracy and who just uses that as code talk for American hegemony.  It depends on who you talk to. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 01, 2022, 03:05:10 PM
We need to constantly send our message to the people of Russia by way of Rock and Roll radio in Russia and by any means possible. Like in Cuba we want for the people to have access to the web in the hopes that we can help them to move towards democracy. We need to communicate with the good people of Russia, and we need to organize a movement in Russia to remove Putin. And we can have people of peace constantly sending our message to the people of Russia.

And the United Nations is designed to prevent World War 3, we need to keep pounding away at the UN putting together our coalition, etc. And we need to all come to agreement that Putin is a war criminal who is not worthy of any support.

We need to turn the entire world against Putin, and we need to turn the people of Russia against Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 01, 2022, 03:06:45 PM
Frightening how a blood thirsty madman can still take complete control of a modern democracy.

Simple really...it's happening because the West is doing nothing, just allowing it to happen.
Ye olde:  "evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
Well good men are doing nothing, too scared to upset the blood thirsty madman.
Of course, the whole Russian regime is doing it, not just the madman.
Europe obviously learnt absolutely nothing from WW11 and Hitler.
Hitler is back, Europe got conned again.

Trump said it true:  "Putiin is smart, but it's not that Putin is smart, it's that our (West) leaders are dumb".
Truer words have never been spoken.

Sky News said it true:

WEST IGNORED THE RISE OF CHINA AND RUSSIA.
CLIMATE CHANGE FOLLY SANK THE WEST (Para...something like that).
Yes, West was busy beating itself up over climate change instead of arming itself.
Only having one country (USA) armed to the teeth was total folly.
Relying on the blood thirsty madman's oil and gas was unbelievable folly.
ScoMo and Australia are not the enemies, but they're the ones the West attacks all the time..."burning too much coal", "not doing enough for women and women's rights"...etc etc etc.
Russia and China are the enemies, the ones threatening and doing war! But the West loves them, Russia is the Chair of the UN, the blood thirsty madman and his regime are ruling the world.  LOL
China, vice President of the world, has everyone tied a up and handcuffed with trade. The dumb West fell for its tempting charms.

Too late for Ukraine and its people. Russia...Putin is only one man...is now bombing Ukraine to bits, soon there'll be nothing left but rubble...no buildings left and no people left alive.
All the dumb West basically does is watch on saying "oh dear, isn't that terrible".

Trump is 100% correct...dumb dumb dumb is the West.
Finland borders Russia, next to it are Norway and Sweden, what defences do they have, these "best countries in the world"?
Any oil rigs, any coal mines, any gas mines...how much are they paying the US for their security?


Very good for the most part. I would add American corporations who are in bed with China and continue to be in bed with them like AT&T and many many others are just as much to blame.
Really? Except for the bolded line in the middle about Russia and China being the enemy, that whole screed is typical of bambus paranoid white male idiocy that most of us do not bother to address anymore. Beginning with the idea that combating climate change has anything to do with the Ukraine invasion and up through his apparent misunderstanding of how NATO operates and who is in it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 01, 2022, 03:11:48 PM
"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.

Missed the SOTU last night, but I hope Biden sold his careful and unflashy statesmanship somewhere in there.

Great sound bite from Mr Ramani, whoever he is.  I guess you could add killed the meaning of "Swiss bank account" too.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 01, 2022, 03:46:49 PM
"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.

Missed the SOTU last night, but I hope Biden sold his careful and unflashy statesmanship somewhere in there.

Great sound bite from Mr Ramani, whoever he is.  I guess you could add killed the meaning of "Swiss bank account" too.
The STFU is tonight, I thought.

And THAT, my friends is the single most Elba autocorrect of all times.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 01, 2022, 03:51:52 PM
An authoritarian kleptocracy, run by a mob spouting incoherent racists mysoginistic, anti-gay, and pseudo-religious paranoid rhetoric to cover their actions while everything under their influence decays. One law for the rich, another for the poor enforced by an endless stream of violence.

Not hyperbole, not even a wee bit.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/28/2083065/-White-nationalists-flaunt-their-traction-within-Republican-Party-at-annual-gathering-in-Florida (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/28/2083065/-White-nationalists-flaunt-their-traction-within-Republican-Party-at-annual-gathering-in-Florida)

" the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world."

Yes, hyperbole.

Maybe if you add in that the country has a far bigger army than the other guys next door, but even then I am skeptical. Brazil is not invading the countries next to it, for example.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 01, 2022, 04:04:33 PM
We need to constantly send our message to the people of Russia by way of Rock and Roll radio in Russia and by any means possible. Like in Cuba we want for the people to have access to the web in the hopes that we can help them to move towards democracy. We need to communicate with the good people of Russia, and we need to organize a movement in Russia to remove Putin. And we can have people of peace constantly sending our message to the people of Russia.

And the United Nations is designed to prevent World War 3, we need to keep pounding away at the UN putting together our coalition, etc. And we need to all come to agreement that Putin is a war criminal who is not worthy of any support.

We need to turn the entire world against Putin, and we need to turn the people of Russia against Putin.

When I was in the Soviet Union in 1973, I got to talk with a lot of people in open spaces without our Intourist guide around.

While I met plenty of folks who were friendly and some who talked openly about the negatives of their country, I also encountered folks like the elderly woman in Moscow who spat at us, drank some soda water from a near by machine, then came back and spit at us again. That contrasts with the elderly woman in (then) Leningrad who gave me her scarf, in lieu of a kippah, so I could enter a Jewish temple.

Just as there are people in the United States who will blame whomever is president for ills, if they are in the other party, there are individuals who will blame the United States, not Putin, for any ills their country suffers or belligerent actions their country is "forced" to take.

American rock music was available to be listened to for those who were so inclined. And, at least through this morning, there is independent television being broadcast by non-state folks - sending messages more straightforward than the state-run media.

Your faith that they can be swayed should be just do a better job of broadcasting rock and roll is... worthy of a bigger miracle than anything Christ is alleged to have done.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 01, 2022, 04:06:00 PM
Frightening how a blood thirsty madman can still take complete control of a modern democracy.

Simple really...it's happening because the West is doing nothing, just allowing it to happen.
Ye olde:  "evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
Well good men are doing nothing, too scared to upset the blood thirsty madman.
Of course, the whole Russian regime is doing it, not just the madman.
Europe obviously learnt absolutely nothing from WW11 and Hitler.
Hitler is back, Europe got conned again.

Trump said it true:  "Putiin is smart, but it's not that Putin is smart, it's that our (West) leaders are dumb".
Truer words have never been spoken.

Sky News said it true:

WEST IGNORED THE RISE OF CHINA AND RUSSIA.
CLIMATE CHANGE FOLLY SANK THE WEST (Para...something like that).
Yes, West was busy beating itself up over climate change instead of arming itself.
Only having one country (USA) armed to the teeth was total folly.
Relying on the blood thirsty madman's oil and gas was unbelievable folly.
ScoMo and Australia are not the enemies, but they're the ones the West attacks all the time..."burning too much coal", "not doing enough for women and women's rights"...etc etc etc.
Russia and China are the enemies, the ones threatening and doing war! But the West loves them, Russia is the Chair of the UN, the blood thirsty madman and his regime are ruling the world.  LOL
China, vice President of the world, has everyone tied a up and handcuffed with trade. The dumb West fell for its tempting charms.

Too late for Ukraine and its people. Russia...Putin is only one man...is now bombing Ukraine to bits, soon there'll be nothing left but rubble...no buildings left and no people left alive.
All the dumb West basically does is watch on saying "oh dear, isn't that terrible".

Trump is 100% correct...dumb dumb dumb is the West.
Finland borders Russia, next to it are Norway and Sweden, what defences do they have, these "best countries in the world"?
Any oil rigs, any coal mines, any gas mines...how much are they paying the US for their security?


Very good for the most part. I would add American corporations who are in bed with China and continue to be in bed with them like AT&T and many many others are just as much to blame.
Really? Except for the bolded line in the middle about Russia and China being the enemy, that whole screed is typical of bambus paranoid white male idiocy that most of us do not bother to address anymore. Beginning with the idea that combating climate change has anything to do with the Ukraine invasion and up through his apparent misunderstanding of how NATO operates and who is in it.

It's now 7.50am in bambuworld.
I just switched on my tv to see bombs exploding in Ukraine every 2 seconds.
Absolute bombardment of civilian housing apartment buildings.
France just bobbed its head up and spoke a few "oh dear that's terrible" type words then bobbed back down, no French ships bombing Moscow though.
*
And saw the 1 in 1000 year flood event in Qld and NSW...hundreds of thousands of homes flooded, people dead in their homes...people being rescued by army choppers, SES boats, and anyone and everyone with a boat.
The Sydney dam is starting to overflow, big trouble.
Floods been happening long before climate change was invented, just not this bad in modern times.
Defence Minister Peter Dutton explained about Ukraine, Russia blowing up Ukraine with overwhelming force.
We can see what we're in for when China invades us.
No Harvard degree needed to see that Trump and Sky News are absolutely correct.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 01, 2022, 04:12:18 PM
Frightening how a blood thirsty madman can still take complete control of a modern democracy.

Simple really...it's happening because the West is doing nothing, just allowing it to happen.
Ye olde:  "evil flourishes when good men do nothing."
Well good men are doing nothing, too scared to upset the blood thirsty madman.
Of course, the whole Russian regime is doing it, not just the madman.
Europe obviously learnt absolutely nothing from WW11 and Hitler.
Hitler is back, Europe got conned again.

Trump said it true:  "Putiin is smart, but it's not that Putin is smart, it's that our (West) leaders are dumb".
Truer words have never been spoken.

Sky News said it true:

WEST IGNORED THE RISE OF CHINA AND RUSSIA.
CLIMATE CHANGE FOLLY SANK THE WEST (Para...something like that).
Yes, West was busy beating itself up over climate change instead of arming itself.
Only having one country (USA) armed to the teeth was total folly.
Relying on the blood thirsty madman's oil and gas was unbelievable folly.
ScoMo and Australia are not the enemies, but they're the ones the West attacks all the time..."burning too much coal", "not doing enough for women and women's rights"...etc etc etc.
Russia and China are the enemies, the ones threatening and doing war! But the West loves them, Russia is the Chair of the UN, the blood thirsty madman and his regime are ruling the world.  LOL
China, vice President of the world, has everyone tied a up and handcuffed with trade. The dumb West fell for its tempting charms.

Too late for Ukraine and its people. Russia...Putin is only one man...is now bombing Ukraine to bits, soon there'll be nothing left but rubble...no buildings left and no people left alive.
All the dumb West basically does is watch on saying "oh dear, isn't that terrible".

Trump is 100% correct...dumb dumb dumb is the West.
Finland borders Russia, next to it are Norway and Sweden, what defences do they have, these "best countries in the world"?
Any oil rigs, any coal mines, any gas mines...how much are they paying the US for their security?


Very good for the most part. I would add American corporations who are in bed with China and continue to be in bed with them like AT&T and many many others are just as much to blame.
Really? Except for the bolded line in the middle about Russia and China being the enemy, that whole screed is typical of bambus paranoid white male idiocy that most of us do not bother to address anymore. Beginning with the idea that combating climate change has anything to do with the Ukraine invasion and up through his apparent misunderstanding of how NATO operates and who is in it.

It's now 7.50am in bambuworld.
I just switched on my tv to see bombs exploding in Ukraine every 2 seconds.
and the 1 in 1000 year flood event in Qld and NSW...hundreds of thousands of homes flooded, people dead in their homes...people being rescued by army choppers, SES boats, and anyone and everyone with a boat.
The Sydney dam is starting to overflow, big trouble.
Defence Minister Peter Dutton explained about Ukraine, Russia blowing up Ukraine with overwhelming force.
We can see what we're in for when China invades us.
No Harvard degree needed to see that Trump and Sky News are absolutely correct.
You are not getting nukes no matter what you say.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 01, 2022, 04:14:21 PM
An authoritarian kleptocracy, run by a mob spouting incoherent racists mysoginistic, anti-gay, and pseudo-religious paranoid rhetoric to cover their actions while everything under their influence decays. One law for the rich, another for the poor enforced by an endless stream of violence.

Not hyperbole, not even a wee bit.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/28/2083065/-White-nationalists-flaunt-their-traction-within-Republican-Party-at-annual-gathering-in-Florida (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/2/28/2083065/-White-nationalists-flaunt-their-traction-within-Republican-Party-at-annual-gathering-in-Florida)

" the inevitable result of republican style solutions anywhere in the world."

Yes, hyperbole.

Maybe if you add in that the country has a far bigger army than the other guys next door, but even then I am skeptical. Brazil is not invading the countries next to it, for example.

Do we have to make a table of the date on which Putin enacted domestically in Russia each one of the eleven points in Rick Scotts plan for his republican led future?

Actually, that might be a pretty useful graphic to have available for the midterms.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 01, 2022, 04:36:57 PM
Aussie was going to get nukes long ago, Prime Minister Gorton...but he was rolled at the federal election by the...wait for it......LEFT.

The "everyone in the world is a lovely person" LEFT.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 01, 2022, 04:47:02 PM
Sweden and Finland are not in NATO...bye bye, same as Ukraine.

https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html (https://www.nato.int/nato-welcome/index.html)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 01, 2022, 05:27:17 PM
Look both ways before crossing a flooded street, Bambi. Blokes your age are simply getting swept away.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 01, 2022, 06:19:15 PM
Look both ways before crossing a flooded street, Bambi. Blokes your age are simply getting swept away.

I might be old, .....(officially I'm classed as 'elderly', but I don't feel or look elderly in my opinion, but see how quickly I whip out my "elder-abuse" card if I feel discriminated against in any way :) ).....but not so old I'd try to cross or drive thru floodwater.
I'm a scaredy cat, remember.
"Water on street/road" is on my scared list.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 01, 2022, 06:41:45 PM
Probably not popular but a differing view than the standard Western knee-jerk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4k8bBx2Pc)

The attack on residential neighborhood in Kharkiv today somewhat undermines his thesis that Russia has no intent to harm Ukrainian noncombatants or hurt the country.  Those were not shells going astray.  The footage is unambiguous.  As for simply assuming that we accept the rhetorical use of "knee-jerk" to dismiss western journalists who work in dangerous war zones, sorry, that's just sophistry.  You need evidence.  Especially when a proven ruthless dictator and murderous thug starts firing rockets and dropping bombs on major population centers and its captured by hundreds of thousands of cellphone cameras. 

In countries where almost everyone has a smartphone and some ability to upload, it's a lot harder to hide destruction and murder of civilians.


Yes, it shows that the Russians are losing their patience. But it doesn't negate the restraint the Russians had displayed up until this incident. As it was inevitable that this would happen at some point. War is an ugly thing.  I pray it doesn't escalate and it is only an isolated incident by overzealous Russian commanders whose soldiers are dying. Because Russian soldiers are dying so eventually they will up the ante. All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII. American desire for hegemony over the world exists even though the western media never admit that. That's why we are at odds with countries like Russia and China. The cold war never ended my friend, it goes on.

Ummm... ok.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 01, 2022, 06:57:10 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/01/investing/russia-economy-capital-controls/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 01, 2022, 07:07:21 PM

 All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII.
Russia invaded a sovereign nation that did not threaten it at all. You are aware of that, right?

Of course it threatened them. You also show a degree of naivety that I didn't expect. The problem that western people have is they can't see the reverse picture. Once before this happened when the Soviet Union tried to place missiles in Cuba in response to NATO putting missiles right in Russia's underbelly in Turkey. The world almost destroyed itself then. Had Russia been pressing to possibly put missiles in Canada the American people would go crazy. We, as always, think our shit doesn't stink. We went into Afghanistan because "we wanted to", same with fake reason we went into Iraq. But again, our shit doesn't stink. Ukraine threatened Russia way more than Afghanistan or Iraq ever threatened us.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 01, 2022, 07:12:19 PM
We need to constantly send our message to the people of Russia by way of Rock and Roll radio in Russia and by any means possible. Like in Cuba we want for the people to have access to the web in the hopes that we can help them to move towards democracy. We need to communicate with the good people of Russia, and we need to organize a movement in Russia to remove Putin. And we can have people of peace constantly sending our message to the people of Russia.

And the United Nations is designed to prevent World War 3, we need to keep pounding away at the UN putting together our coalition, etc. And we need to all come to agreement that Putin is a war criminal who is not worthy of any support.

We need to turn the entire world against Putin, and we need to turn the people of Russia against Putin.

When I was in the Soviet Union in 1973, I got to talk with a lot of people in open spaces without our Intourist guide around.

While I met plenty of folks who were friendly and some who talked openly about the negatives of their country, I also encountered folks like the elderly woman in Moscow who spat at us, drank some soda water from a near by machine, then came back and spit at us again. That contrasts with the elderly woman in (then) Leningrad who gave me her scarf, in lieu of a kippah, so I could enter a Jewish temple.

Just as there are people in the United States who will blame whomever is president for ills, if they are in the other party, there are individuals who will blame the United States, not Putin, for any ills their country suffers or belligerent actions their country is "forced" to take.

American rock music was available to be listened to for those who were so inclined. And, at least through this morning, there is independent television being broadcast by non-state folks - sending messages more straightforward than the state-run media.

Your faith that they can be swayed should be just do a better job of broadcasting rock and roll is... worthy of a bigger miracle than anything Christ is alleged to have done.

I'm probably closer to people in Russia than most here. Believe me the vast majority of them right now don't hold a warm place in their hearts for America.   
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 01, 2022, 07:38:13 PM
"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.

Missed the SOTU last night, but I hope Biden sold his careful and unflashy statesmanship somewhere in there.

Great sound bite from Mr Ramani, whoever he is.  I guess you could add killed the meaning of "Swiss bank account" too.
The STFU is tonight, I thought.

And THAT, my friends is the single most Elba autocorrect of all times.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 01, 2022, 07:47:07 PM
The Western fake news media machine does what it does, feeds out bullshit. And western people, for the most part, lap it up.

But the reality is this:

https://www.unseenopp.com/kiev-will-fall-soon-heres-what-that-means-for-stocks/ (https://www.unseenopp.com/kiev-will-fall-soon-heres-what-that-means-for-stocks/)

...Tilting sentiment today were satellite images that showed a convoy of Russian military vehicles en route to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital. This came as a bit of a surprise to some, as the mainstream media had spent last weekend fawning over Ukraine
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 01, 2022, 08:13:54 PM
What would have happened if Britain and France bombed the crap out of the Nazis early. Rewrite history save the civilians.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 01, 2022, 08:32:01 PM
https://indianexpress.com/article/world/china-us-eu-sanctions-russia-normal-trade-moscow-7795173/ (https://indianexpress.com/article/world/china-us-eu-sanctions-russia-normal-trade-moscow-7795173/)

China opposes US, EU sanctions against Russia; says will carry out normal trade with Moscow

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Time to impose sanctions on China, some are saying.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 01, 2022, 08:37:51 PM
"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.

Missed the SOTU last night, but I hope Biden sold his careful and unflashy statesmanship somewhere in there.

Great sound bite from Mr Ramani, whoever he is.  I guess you could add killed the meaning of "Swiss bank account" too.
The STFU is tonight, I thought.

And THAT, my friends is the single most Elba autocorrect of all times.

X>)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 01, 2022, 08:56:59 PM
How else can you feel?! Young boys are thrown like cannon fodder, and most importantly for what?! For palaces in Gelendzhik?   

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukrainian-officials-upload-videos-of-captured-russian-soldiers-on-telegram

BTW, I will respond to assertions that western media are some monolith of fake news, as soon as evidence is provided.   Specify what is fake, state the source, show me your factcheck from a reputable independent factchecking organization (or a primary source), and I will take that specfic allegation of fakery seriously.  As for "some guy on YouTube said this," that's scraping the bottom of the barrel, so far as credibility is concerned.  Might as well SOTU.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 01:38:17 AM
What would have happened if Britain and France bombed the crap out of the Nazis early. Rewrite history save the civilians.

What would have happened is that you would have changed history years before that.

They did not have the ability to bomb the crap out of the Nazis early. What year would you choose for them to start arming themselves? (While you are thinking, remember that the world was still in a depression when the mess started growing.)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 01:40:17 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/01/investing/russia-economy-capital-controls/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 07:34:20 AM
How else can you feel?! Young boys are thrown like cannon fodder, and most importantly for what?! For palaces in Gelendzhik?   

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukrainian-officials-upload-videos-of-captured-russian-soldiers-on-telegram

BTW, I will respond to assertions that western media are some monolith of fake news, as soon as evidence is provided.   Specify what is fake, state the source, show me your factcheck from a reputable independent factchecking organization (or a primary source), and I will take that specfic allegation of fakery seriously.  As for "some guy on YouTube said this," that's scraping the bottom of the barrel, so far as credibility is concerned.  Might as well SOTU.

https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/
 (https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/)


We in the West have no clue to what is actually happening because our media is keeping it from us. Both sides lie, but the West has their population trained Pavlovian dog style.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 07:56:22 AM

 All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII.
Russia invaded a sovereign nation that did not threaten it at all. You are aware of that, right?

Of course it threatened them. You also show a degree of naivety that I didn't expect. The problem that western people have is they can't see the reverse picture. Once before this happened when the Soviet Union tried to place missiles in Cuba in response to NATO putting missiles right in Russia's underbelly in Turkey. The world almost destroyed itself then. Had Russia been pressing to possibly put missiles in Canada the American people would go crazy. We, as always, think our shit doesn't stink. We went into Afghanistan because "we wanted to", same with fake reason we went into Iraq. But again, our shit doesn't stink. Ukraine threatened Russia way more than Afghanistan or Iraq ever threatened us.
How did Ukraine threaten Russia, other than act as a sovereign nation seeking its own self interest? They never threatened mitary action or any other aggressive action. Like Poland or the Baltic states among other former.Soviet republics and satellites before them, they were interested in joining NATO for.reasons that are all too obvious right now, but that is the right of any sovereign nation. As are stronger economic ties with the west - after all Russia was a G-8 nation until it chose to invade a neighbor.

Ukraine is a non-nuclear state. They went from having the fourth most nuclear weapons to zero because they entered into a treaty where they destroyed them in exchange for a guarantee of non-agression from US and Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 07:57:02 AM
https://southfront.org/air-battles-over-ukraine-overview-of-losses-videos/ (https://southfront.org/air-battles-over-ukraine-overview-of-losses-videos/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 08:02:15 AM

 All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII.
Russia invaded a sovereign nation that did not threaten it at all. You are aware of that, right?

Of course it threatened them. You also show a degree of naivety that I didn't expect. The problem that western people have is they can't see the reverse picture. Once before this happened when the Soviet Union tried to place missiles in Cuba in response to NATO putting missiles right in Russia's underbelly in Turkey. The world almost destroyed itself then. Had Russia been pressing to possibly put missiles in Canada the American people would go crazy. We, as always, think our shit doesn't stink. We went into Afghanistan because "we wanted to", same with fake reason we went into Iraq. But again, our shit doesn't stink. Ukraine threatened Russia way more than Afghanistan or Iraq ever threatened us.
How did Ukraine threaten Russia, other than act as a sovereign nation seeking its own self interest? They never threatened mitary action or any other aggressive action. Like Poland or the Baltic states among other former.Soviet republics and satellites before them, they were interested in joining NATO for.reasons that are all too obvious right now, but that is the right of any sovereign nation. As are stronger economic ties with the west - after all Russia was a G-8 nation until it chose to invade a neighbor.

Ukraine is a non-nuclear state. They went from having the fourth most nuclear weapons to zero because they entered into a treaty where they destroyed them in exchange for a guarantee of non-agression from US and Russia.

This fight has been going on since 2012 and even earlier. You just don't know what you are talking about Steve. Russians were being murdered year after year. We in the West are clueless to the real truth of what has been taking place in Ukraine for years. The West's media has become our one true religion.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 02, 2022, 08:03:22 AM
Rather than giving them Czechoslovakia. During the phony war when the Nazis marched into Poland almost unopposed, most similar. The superior Russian Slavs VS inferior Ukraine Slavs, what is Putin doing? What press is that? Switzerland, Norway, etc. normally neutral all opposed. China, N. Korea with no free press love him.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 08:05:02 AM
The Western fake news media machine does what it does, feeds out bullshit. And western people, for the most part, lap it up.

But the reality is this:

https://www.unseenopp.com/kiev-will-fall-soon-heres-what-that-means-for-stocks/ (https://www.unseenopp.com/kiev-will-fall-soon-heres-what-that-means-for-stocks/)

...Tilting sentiment today were satellite images that showed a convoy of Russian military vehicles en route to Kiev, the Ukrainian capital. This came as a bit of a surprise to some, as the mainstream media had spent last weekend fawning over Ukraine
Do you even watch the mainstream media? Putin escalating in the face of military checks, and the eventual fall of Kyiv and Ukraine, if Russia has the will for it, has been predicted by literally everyone. And the article uses as qn example of how the mainstream media is "fawning over Ukraine"... videos on Facebook and Tik Tok.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 02, 2022, 08:10:14 AM
"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.

Yeah.  Good post.

Still plenty to do but President Biden's actions beats some of the alternatives.

Who will stop the tanks and save the city?  All other conversation can wait.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 08:11:53 AM

 All because the west wants to subjugate Russia as they've been wanting to since the end of WWII.
Russia invaded a sovereign nation that did not threaten it at all. You are aware of that, right?

Of course it threatened them. You also show a degree of naivety that I didn't expect. The problem that western people have is they can't see the reverse picture. Once before this happened when the Soviet Union tried to place missiles in Cuba in response to NATO putting missiles right in Russia's underbelly in Turkey. The world almost destroyed itself then. Had Russia been pressing to possibly put missiles in Canada the American people would go crazy. We, as always, think our shit doesn't stink. We went into Afghanistan because "we wanted to", same with fake reason we went into Iraq. But again, our shit doesn't stink. Ukraine threatened Russia way more than Afghanistan or Iraq ever threatened us.
How did Ukraine threaten Russia, other than act as a sovereign nation seeking its own self interest? They never threatened mitary action or any other aggressive action. Like Poland or the Baltic states among other former.Soviet republics and satellites before them, they were interested in joining NATO for.reasons that are all too obvious right now, but that is the right of any sovereign nation. As are stronger economic ties with the west - after all Russia was a G-8 nation until it chose to invade a neighbor.

Ukraine is a non-nuclear state. They went from having the fourth most nuclear weapons to zero because they entered into a treaty where they destroyed them in exchange for a guarantee of non-agression from US and Russia.

This fight has been going on since 2012 and even earlier. You just don't know what you are talking about Steve. Russians were being murdered year after year. We in the West are clueless to the real truth of what has been taking place in Ukraine for years.
Where were the Russians being murdered?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 08:18:38 AM
"Vladimir Putin has killed Swedish neutrality and German pacifism in a single weekend."

Samuel Ramani

Also, Swiss banks are freezing identified Russian assets. Swiss Banks! Biden's careful approach rebuilding our alliances, managed intelligence releases and measured pace on sanctions has at least brought all of Europe along.

Yeah.  Good post.

Still plenty to do but President Biden's actions beats some of the alternatives.

Who will stop the tanks and save the city?  All other conversation can wait.
The Russians will be able to take Kyiv if they are willing to pay the price. We are not getting into a shooting war to protect Kyiv. The question is, what then? I assume Russia will find a Quisling, but absent a long term occupation by Russian troops, how does he keep power? It does not look like the Ukrainian military and.security forces will cooperate.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 08:35:20 AM
I've said my piece and will comment no further here. But I urge you all to seek news outlets that are from different sources than the usual standard western news ilk.

God bless and I hope this war ends today. If not today then as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 09:09:23 AM
Advancing Russian troops held up a white flag...when Ukrainian troops showed themselves other Russian troops in hiding shot them.
Another Russian con.
Never trust Russia, ever.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 09:23:51 AM
Russia has threatened Finland and Sweden that if they join NATO they will be sorry.
Saw an interview with an official from Finland in which he said that about 60% of the people of Finland are in favour of joining NATO now, having seen what's happened to Ukraine...as security is only guaranteed by NATO to member nations.

Finland borders Russia, but Sweden doesn't...and Norway that borders Sweden is a member of NATO.

Also, Russia has basically issued a veiled threat to France that it could be next if it doesn't shut up about economic sanctions on Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 09:53:39 AM
How else can you feel?! Young boys are thrown like cannon fodder, and most importantly for what?! For palaces in Gelendzhik?   

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukrainian-officials-upload-videos-of-captured-russian-soldiers-on-telegram

BTW, I will respond to assertions that western media are some monolith of fake news, as soon as evidence is provided.   Specify what is fake, state the source, show me your factcheck from a reputable independent factchecking organization (or a primary source), and I will take that specfic allegation of fakery seriously.  As for "some guy on YouTube said this," that's scraping the bottom of the barrel, so far as credibility is concerned.  Might as well SOTU.

https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/
 (https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/)


We in the West have no clue to what is actually happening because our media is keeping it from us. Both sides lie, but the West has their population trained Pavlovian dog style.

Depends on the dog. (Thanks for link)  I prefer AP coverage where, as in this story, they give the official announcements from both sides, other countries, and then a section called "directly witnessed."

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-business-europe-media-3a131e7e0bdc006d697a3eb467a66d29

Associated Press journalists around Ukraine and beyond are documenting military activity during Russia s invasion. With disinformation rife and social media amplifying military claims and counterclaims, determining exactly what is happening can be difficult. Here is a look at what could be confirmed Wednesday as Russia s military assault on Ukraine was in its seventh day... 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 10:07:05 AM
Quick FYI on "impartial" southfront dot org:

....In May 2020, ANNA News was banned from YouTube for violating its terms of service. It was revealed that employees of ANNA also worked for Russian propaganda websites news-front.info and southfront.org, and that NewsFront had raised money for ANNA in 2014. Both ANNA News and southfront.org support separatist forces in Ukraine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANNA_News

Good lord, Capt Cargo.  You really are banking on the naivete you imagine exists here in the politics forum.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 10:20:28 AM
Quick FYI on "impartial" southfront dot org:

....In May 2020, ANNA News was banned from YouTube for violating its terms of service. It was revealed that employees of ANNA also worked for Russian propaganda websites news-front.info and southfront.org, and that NewsFront had raised money for ANNA in 2014. Both ANNA News and southfront.org support separatist forces in Ukraine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANNA_News

Good lord, Capt Cargo.  You really are banking on the naivete you imagine exists here in the politics forum.

It's ALL propaganda Barton, don't be fooled. You have to able to reason out the bits of truth in each and that is the hard part of it. Free your mind, that's the first and most important step.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on March 02, 2022, 10:32:18 AM
Never had much in the way of mind liberating experiences with people who tell me "free your mind..."

That said, I would agree that there is a lot of spun news out there that is, or borders on, propaganda.  But AP, Reuters, and NPR all do a decent job with straight news reporting (and clearly marking opinion). 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 10:44:37 AM
Quick FYI on "impartial" southfront dot org:

....In May 2020, ANNA News was banned from YouTube for violating its terms of service. It was revealed that employees of ANNA also worked for Russian propaganda websites news-front.info and southfront.org, and that NewsFront had raised money for ANNA in 2014. Both ANNA News and southfront.org support separatist forces in Ukraine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANNA_News

Good lord, Capt Cargo.  You really are banking on the naivete you imagine exists here in the politics forum.

It's ALL propaganda Barton, don't be fooled. You have to able to reason out the bits of truth in each and that is the hard part of it. Free your mind, that's the first and most important step.
If you cannot distinguish between state sponsored deliberate propoganda and independent news sources with a point of you, you have a serious problem that makes everything you say suspect.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 02, 2022, 10:50:09 AM
Also, Russia has basically issued a veiled threat to France that it could be next if it doesn't shut up about economic sanctions on Russia.


They cant even fully attack Ukraine - you think they can handle France?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 02, 2022, 11:05:45 AM
Free your mind and your ass will follow.

Funkadelic
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 11:09:21 AM
How else can you feel?! Young boys are thrown like cannon fodder, and most importantly for what?! For palaces in Gelendzhik?   

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/ukrainian-officials-upload-videos-of-captured-russian-soldiers-on-telegram

BTW, I will respond to assertions that western media are some monolith of fake news, as soon as evidence is provided.   Specify what is fake, state the source, show me your factcheck from a reputable independent factchecking organization (or a primary source), and I will take that specfic allegation of fakery seriously.  As for "some guy on YouTube said this," that's scraping the bottom of the barrel, so far as credibility is concerned.  Might as well SOTU.

https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/
 (https://southfront.org/war-in-ukraine-day-6-russia-changed-tactics-and-succeeded-huge-casualties-and-humanitarian-disaster-video-18/)


We in the West have no clue to what is actually happening because our media is keeping it from us. Both sides lie, but the West has their population trained Pavlovian dog style.

What is it you think the population in Russia is? Free thinking and independent?!

They've been told it is a peacekeeping mission against a neo-Nazi administration that has been engaged in genocide against folks of Russian heritage. (Oddly enough, the same baloney about the Zelensky administration that a certain person in this group has repeated.)

The msm I have watched has been reporting about the super long line of incoming Russian vehicles and troops since it formed and discussed the implications of it and of likely increased bombing of cities similar to what Russia did in Grozny.

Yes, they've had guests on who have debated the likely effectiveness of those efforts and not all the so-called experts have agreed that the results are pre-ordained, the way you are sure they are.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 11:11:11 AM
Ukraine is a non-nuclear state. They went from having the fourth most nuclear weapons to zero because they entered into a treaty where they destroyed them in exchange for a guarantee of non-agression from US and Russia.

Trusting either the US or Russia to keep to their "guarantees" was a predictable mistake.

I am not sure they did, but they surely had few options.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 11:18:26 AM
I've said my piece and will comment no further here. But I urge you all to seek news outlets that are from different sources than the usual standard western news ilk.

God bless and I hope this war ends today. If not today then as soon as possible.

It's unfortunate that you are going to "hit and run," rather than continuing the dialog. You were asked a question about one of your assertions - "where are the Russians being murdered?"

But one of the things you have failed to address at all is that those sorts of murders are a major part of Putin's assertions of why he is attacking, yet he has not stopped at the area of Russian ethnics he said he was "liberating." Nor have his troops been welcomed as he told them they would be, not even in the east near the border.

How do we know this? Because the official state media from Russia is not showing any such scenes.

I am reminded of the promises the American people were made by their then President and his team about how our soldiers would be received in Iraq.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 11:20:57 AM
Quick FYI on "impartial" southfront dot org:

....In May 2020, ANNA News was banned from YouTube for violating its terms of service. It was revealed that employees of ANNA also worked for Russian propaganda websites news-front.info and southfront.org, and that NewsFront had raised money for ANNA in 2014. Both ANNA News and southfront.org support separatist forces in Ukraine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANNA_News

Good lord, Capt Cargo.  You really are banking on the naivete you imagine exists here in the politics forum.

It's ALL propaganda Barton, don't be fooled. You have to able to reason out the bits of truth in each and that is the hard part of it. Free your mind, that's the first and most important step.

His point is that using a citation from southfront to illustrate that we don't know the truth is absurd.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 11:50:51 AM
 If he doesn't reply for a few days, I will take that as a concession that Southfront is not quite the trove of "bits of truth" he was suggesting.  Which is not to say that propaganda doesn't contain partial truth - indeed that's how it has its powerful effects.  But you can only spot the distortions by fact checking with other non-aligned and reputable sources.

OK, I pulled the spring arm back and smeared peanut butter on the release bar.

JK. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 12:16:25 PM
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 02, 2022, 12:40:08 PM
I think CNN is doing the best job with onsite reporters. 4,000 dead civilians to now, women and children included. No dead media types as of yet. Mostly with banned cluster munitions and vacuum bombs hurled in the middle of busy squares. . Are they all lying?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 02, 2022, 01:01:49 PM
In Europe Poland in 1939. Facing the Nazi horde with men on horseback. The native Americans were mostly small groups hidden away far from settled areas with no planes or cluster weapons against.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 02, 2022, 01:22:02 PM
A lot of the Native American Indians liked the French, and the Spaniards, and other immigrants, the ones the Native American Indians mostly had a problem with were the British.

When we went to war against England for our independence the Native American Indians helped the Americans against the British, and the Americans learned guerrilla warfare from the Indians. Before the Americans used to line up in fields out in the open like the British, but the Indians taught the Americans how to hide in the trees, and how to use camouflage, and how to hide and ambush the British. The Indians also helped the Americans against the British in the War of 1812. 

And then later a lot of stuff that the French Resistance did against Germany was stuff that they learned from the Native American Indians. 

I am happy to see the Seminole Tribe succeed, and the San Manuel Tribe, and other great tribes, I hope they all help each other, and I support helping the Native American Indians.

Salute,

Tony V.





Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 01:23:31 PM
In Europe Poland in 1939. Facing the Nazi horde with men on horseback. The native Americans were mostly small groups hidden away far from settled areas with no planes or cluster weapons against.

Wow.  So the places where peoples like the Pawnee or Arapaho or the Navajo or the Pueblo or the Iroquois built permanent homes and raised crops and lived their lives....those weren't settled, then?  It's not a settled area unless the people are white? 

 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 01:57:34 PM
In Europe Poland in 1939. Facing the Nazi horde with men on horseback. The native Americans were mostly small groups hidden away far from settled areas with no planes or cluster weapons against.
The Belgians during the first month of World War I might provide another example
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 02:11:31 PM
The damage Trump has done to the country since losing the 2020 election is incalculable, and has gotten worse:

https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-un-ambassador-trump-big-lie-ukraine-invasion-2022-3
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 02:25:37 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60559403

Ukraine goes unmentioned by many GOP top officials at CPAC. "CPAC 2022: US conservatives show little interest in Ukraine"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 03:18:40 PM
Ukraine is a non-nuclear state. They went from having the fourth most nuclear weapons to zero because they entered into a treaty where they destroyed them in exchange for a guarantee of non-agression from US and Russia.

Trusting either the US or Russia to keep to their "guarantees" was a predictable mistake.


Which is making some US allies very nervous.
bambu-ilk know that US guarantees made in the past are only as good as the policies of those occupying the White House in present time when decisions have to be made.
In other words, nothing is guaranteed.
Nothing.
Treaties, Alliances, promises, obviously only a 'maybe'.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 03:36:07 PM
In Europe Poland in 1939. Facing the Nazi horde with men on horseback. The native Americans were mostly small groups hidden away far from settled areas with no planes or cluster weapons against.

Wow.  So the places where peoples like the Pawnee or Arapaho or the Navajo or the Pueblo or the Iroquois built permanent homes and raised crops and lived their lives....those weren't settled, then?  It's not a settled area unless the people are white? 


Seems to be.
Same deal in bambuland and elsewhere in the world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 02, 2022, 03:47:14 PM
Bambu and Luee are always good for providing clear examples of how Putin and his fellow travelers do it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60559403

Ukraine goes unmentioned by many GOP top officials at CPAC. "CPAC 2022: US conservatives show little interest in Ukraine"

US conservatives are as usual counting on Russian money and cybercrime to stay afloat electorally.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 03:59:46 PM
Bambu and Luee are always good for providing clear examples of how Putin and his fellow travelers do it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60559403

Ukraine goes unmentioned by many GOP top officials at CPAC. "CPAC 2022: US conservatives show little interest in Ukraine"

US conservatives are as usual counting on Russian money and cybercrime to stay afloat electorally.

Speaking of elections, and Conservatives [Australian Conservatives are not the same as US Conservatives]..........

James Morrow in the Daily Telegraph today [3/03/2022] 3rd March 2022, sums it up exactly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 04:05:06 PM
James writes "Ukraine's fate could be Australia's if we don't arm ourselves now".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 04:10:28 PM
The Coalition has a feather in the cap with the AUKUS agreement but, as national security becomes a hot election topic, it needs to have a future plan for all to see, James Morrow writes.

Coalition - Right
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 02, 2022, 06:09:52 PM
Why Eritrea?  Belarus, Nk and Syria I get, but why Eritrea?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 02, 2022, 06:14:22 PM
United Nations

1 hour

"Human rights cannot be confiscated by dictators or erased by poverty. Nor are they a luxury that can be left for later. They are inescapable and powerful."

-- UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres at Human Rights Council.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/node/262106

----------

As we protect the good human rights of all, then we too are protected. And as we provide basic food and a safe home and a good family doctor to all people then we too will have those same blessings.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 06:26:12 PM
United Nations

1 hour

"Human rights cannot be confiscated by dictators or erased by poverty. Nor are they a luxury that can be left for later. They are inescapable and powerful."

-- UN Secretary General Antonio Guterres at Human Rights Council.

https://www.un.org/sg/en/node/262106

----------

As we protect the good human rights of all, then we too are protected. And as we provide basic food and a safe home and a good family doctor to all people then we too will have those same blessings.

Salute,

Tony V.

Yes they can. Russia is blowing up what's left of Ukraine, now...missile blitz.
...and getting away with it while the world watches on.
Russia, the Chair of the UN Security Council...LOL
They must be rolling around on the floor laughing in the Kremlin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 06:27:44 PM
James writes "Ukraine's fate could be Australia's if we don't arm ourselves now".

I can picture the Russian tanks rolling into Brisbane now,
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 02, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
Why Eritrea?  Belarus, Nk and Syria I get, but why Eritrea?

Down payment on future arms transfers between similarly isolated regimes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 02, 2022, 06:50:27 PM
Bambu, this is far from over, Putin is not going to win. We cannot allow war criminals to win.

The Ukraine needs to be strong like Israel. And the Ukraine needs to start shooting missiles into Moscow. Take the fight to Putin. Let the people in Moscow know how the people of Ukraine feel because of Putin.

And we need to keep reaching out to the good people in Russia and we need to keep looking for the good people in Russia who we can support to overthrow Putin and put in a Junta.

Like they are saying, the Russian bear is trying to swallow a porcupine.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 06:58:43 PM
Quick FYI on "impartial" southfront dot org:

....In May 2020, ANNA News was banned from YouTube for violating its terms of service. It was revealed that employees of ANNA also worked for Russian propaganda websites news-front.info and southfront.org, and that NewsFront had raised money for ANNA in 2014. Both ANNA News and southfront.org support separatist forces in Ukraine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANNA_News

Good lord, Capt Cargo.  You really are banking on the naivete you imagine exists here in the politics forum.

It's ALL propaganda Barton, don't be fooled. You have to able to reason out the bits of truth in each and that is the hard part of it. Free your mind, that's the first and most important step.
If you cannot distinguish between state sponsored deliberate propoganda and independent news sources with a point of you, you have a serious problem that makes everything you say suspect.

All of our media is state sponsored. Fools that can't see why this is true can continue to be fools. No skin off my ass. I have zero real issue with all that want to disagree with me. In fact, I welcome it as that is where real truth comes from young Steve. In the end, as they say, truth often hides in an ugly pool.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 02, 2022, 07:06:21 PM
World Bank

1 Hour

Following the Russian invasion of Ukraine and hostilities against its people, the World Bank Group has stopped all its programs in Russia and Belarus with immediate effect.

Our statement: http://wrld.bg/CrFl50I8CRP

----------

Russia's whole economy is going to collapse and no one is going to save them. If they were good we can use our skills to save world economies, but if they are bad like Putin then we can use our skills to crash Putin.

There will be no help for Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 02, 2022, 07:18:09 PM
For more nakedly state sponsored media, a Ukraine brief from the BBC w interesting interviews.

http://youtu.be/EqNuZDeMrKQ (http://youtu.be/EqNuZDeMrKQ)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 02, 2022, 07:19:39 PM
Russia acknowledges the first five hundred of its casualties.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 07:44:41 PM
For more nakedly state sponsored media, a Ukraine brief from the BBC w interesting interviews.

http://youtu.be/EqNuZDeMrKQ (http://youtu.be/EqNuZDeMrKQ)


"This interview is now over" says it all. The impartial BBC version of a shout down.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 02, 2022, 08:04:39 PM
If the people from Ukraine come to Anaheim and seek to survive, then they need to know how it is here. You cannot get a job doing labor, there are many people to do labor, you need to get training and a licence such as becoming a Real Estate agent, or a licensed Contractor, etc.
 

And also, we have a huge number of tourists in Anaheim so you can work serving the tourists.

You can sell hot dogs to the tourists, or you can hire some beautiful young women to sell hot dogs for you, you can get a good cart for about five thousand dollars...

https://www.hotdogcartcompany.com/hot-dog-carts/

And food trucks are good too, and you can sell food to workers at construction sites, etc, and you can hire beautiful young women to work for you.

https://www.commercialtrucktrader.com/Anaheim-Food/trucks-for-sale

Hot dog cars, and food trucks, those are always a way to make money.

They can even sell hot dogs to the workers at Habitat For Humanity.

And Anaheim needs bicycle shops. Everyone is going green and everyone is getting into cycling.

In Elka, Nevada, the food trucks and hot dog carts can sell food to the students at the college. And so too in California, people can sell food to the students.

And night clubs are a good way to make money, but you need to have security guards.

In Battle Mountain they can have green houses and they can grow and sell flowers to the people of San Francisco. They can also raise food for the people of San Francisco, pigs, chickens, eggs, beef, etc. And they can butcher and process the meat to sell in San Francisco.

And Merced is a good town if you want to get a job picking strawberries, or whatever, Merced has a lot of jobs, and Merced will have a station on the California High Speed Rail System.

Also, in California, you can always make money selling sunglasses, and flip flops, etc.

We also have the wine country in California, and oranges, along with strawberries, etc, which all creates jobs for people.

And we need truck drivers and port workers.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 08:07:12 PM
(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/624/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2022/3/3/678c64e5-51c4-4885-b5a6-5d4cfab5a9ec.png)

Not military targets.  Not protecting the lives of Ukrainian brothers and sisters who are one people with the Russians.  Not containing population centers with care to spare civilians.   

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 08:18:48 PM
Why Eritrea?  Belarus, Nk and Syria I get, but why Eritrea?

One of worst totalitarian regimes in the world.  Only African nation with no private news  media.  Capt Cargo should be planning his tropical getaway. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2022, 09:04:43 PM
James writes "Ukraine's fate could be Australia's if we don't arm ourselves now".

I can picture the Russian tanks rolling into Brisbane now,

More likely to be Chinese tanks...although with China and Russia having a long border, they could join together to make one huge communist military the like of which the world has never known.
The AUKUS Alliance nuclear-powered subs won't start to arrive for a decade from now...it'll be way too late by then.
Anyway, when the invasion comes team bambu has decided to die together if we'll still alive by then.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 09:09:22 PM
Why Eritrea?  Belarus, Nk and Syria I get, but why Eritrea?

One of worst totalitarian regimes in the world.  Only African nation with no private news  media.  Capt Cargo should be planning his tropical getaway.

Private news media. An oxymoron from a
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 09:24:44 PM
Bambu, this is far from over, Putin is not going to win. We cannot allow war criminals to win.

It is far from clear that Putin is not going to win or if, even if Putin loses, Ukraine won't have lost as much or more.

And... "we" only have so much power to prevent war criminals from winning.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 09:29:13 PM
Quick FYI on "impartial" southfront dot org:

....In May 2020, ANNA News was banned from YouTube for violating its terms of service. It was revealed that employees of ANNA also worked for Russian propaganda websites news-front.info and southfront.org, and that NewsFront had raised money for ANNA in 2014. Both ANNA News and southfront.org support separatist forces in Ukraine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANNA_News

Good lord, Capt Cargo.  You really are banking on the naivete you imagine exists here in the politics forum.

It's ALL propaganda Barton, don't be fooled. You have to able to reason out the bits of truth in each and that is the hard part of it. Free your mind, that's the first and most important step.
If you cannot distinguish between state sponsored deliberate propoganda and independent news sources with a point of you, you have a serious problem that makes everything you say suspect.

All of our media is state sponsored. Fools that can't see why this is true can continue to be fools. No skin off my ass. I have zero real issue with all that want to disagree with me. In fact, I welcome it as that is where real truth comes from young Steve. In the end, as they say, truth often hides in an ugly pool.

"All our media is state sponsored" is a conspiracy theorist line, Cap.

But even if I were to take it as gospel, it is not as if we don't have access to other media sources, from the raft of papers in London to the independent television in Russia to Al Jazeera, etc.

Do you wish to argue that The Economist is going to only put forth information acceptable to the US government or even to NATO?

It is not MSM that tells us that the 40 mile long Russian convoy was stalled today! Our EYES tell us that on Google Traffic. Could it be fixed to make it so? Sure, but the Russian government was not out telling is "It's not stalled! What are you people talking about?!" and sending us pictures of it entering the city.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 09:34:00 PM
Why Eritrea?  Belarus, Nk and Syria I get, but why Eritrea?

One of worst totalitarian regimes in the world.  Only African nation with no private news  media.  Capt Cargo should be planning his tropical getaway.

Private news media. An oxymoron from a

So you've opted to just restate the same assertion over and over.  And escalate to insults.  Is that ever persuasive, in your Internet travels?  Well, let me know how shouting fake news and recycling Russian agitprop works out for you. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 09:37:39 PM
Why Eritrea?  Belarus, Nk and Syria I get, but why Eritrea?

One of worst totalitarian regimes in the world.  Only African nation with no private news  media.  Capt Cargo should be planning his tropical getaway.

Private news media. An oxymoron from a

So you've opted to just restate the same assertion over and over.  And escalate to insults.  Is that ever persuasive, in your Internet travels?  Well, let me know how shouting fake news and recycling Russian agitprop works out for you.

I see no insult.

I see a truncated "copy and paste" due to pasted punctuation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 02, 2022, 09:44:48 PM
No, I don't think it was a apostrophe problem.  I think it was a cutesy "I'll leave the last word of this sentence as a blank to be filled in."

An oxymoron from a ______.. Gosh, what could that last word be?  I'm sure it was wit  that would have had the Algonquin round table in stitches.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 09:49:07 PM
Why Eritrea?  Belarus, Nk and Syria I get, but why Eritrea?

One of worst totalitarian regimes in the world.  Only African nation with no private news  media.  Capt Cargo should be planning his tropical getaway.

Private news media. An oxymoron from a

So you've opted to just restate the same assertion over and over.  And escalate to insults.  Is that ever persuasive, in your Internet travels?  Well, let me know how shouting fake news and recycling Russian agitprop works out for you.


I'm sorry. You of course would never resort to veiled insults.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2022, 09:56:45 PM
Quick FYI on "impartial" southfront dot org:

....In May 2020, ANNA News was banned from YouTube for violating its terms of service. It was revealed that employees of ANNA also worked for Russian propaganda websites news-front.info and southfront.org, and that NewsFront had raised money for ANNA in 2014. Both ANNA News and southfront.org support separatist forces in Ukraine....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANNA_News

Good lord, Capt Cargo.  You really are banking on the naivete you imagine exists here in the politics forum.

It's ALL propaganda Barton, don't be fooled. You have to able to reason out the bits of truth in each and that is the hard part of it. Free your mind, that's the first and most important step.
If you cannot distinguish between state sponsored deliberate propoganda and independent news sources with a point of you, you have a serious problem that makes everything you say suspect.

All of our media is state sponsored. Fools that can't see why this is true can continue to be fools. No skin off my ass. I have zero real issue with all that want to disagree with me. In fact, I welcome it as that is where real truth comes from young Steve. In the end, as they say, truth often hides in an ugly pool.

"All our media is state sponsored" is a conspiracy theorist line, Cap.

But even if I were to take it as gospel, it is not as if we don't have access to other media sources, from the raft of papers in London to the independent television in Russia to Al Jazeera, etc.

Do you wish to argue that The Economist is going to only put forth information acceptable to the US government or even to NATO?

It is not MSM that tells us that the 40 mile long Russian convoy was stalled today! Our EYES tell us that on Google Traffic. Could it be fixed to make it so? Sure, but the Russian government was not out telling is "It's not stalled! What are you people talking about?!" and sending us pictures of it entering the city.
Yes Josh, you're correct. What our eyes don't tell us is why it was stalled. And that's where the "talking" begins. But as you are a man of reason I always appreciate your take on things. And I've always respected you for that.

What I was trying to impart was that snippets of truth could be found in most if not all media outlets. But it was up to the reader/s to piece those snippets together to try and find a larger whole truth. Of course the sites I posted were biased, but there were truths to be found in the bias.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 02, 2022, 11:59:32 PM
http://youtu.be/3C_VUbVOhhM (http://youtu.be/3C_VUbVOhhM)

5 million rubles and amnesty to quit Putins glory ride. Not a bad bargain for the average Russian conscript.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 04:38:59 AM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274602760_2178293462333495_250342158890856848_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=fbm6f_MfNVMAX8169w3&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8Ug5do6UGaRwbXZgW_AG8T5mt6c9HBMH1yv8EuwY8f3g&oe=6224BDDD)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 03, 2022, 09:47:29 AM
From the Guardian, which has no shareholders, no billionaire owner and no commercial or political bosses. 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/russia-ukraine-conflict-top-10-war-myths-newsguard



I like the Ukrainian approach to using humor to keep up morale. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 03, 2022, 10:57:14 AM
Biden Administration must now act.

 
Last April, Biden issued an executive order targeting the Russian Federation for broad sweeping offenses, which included undermining the conduct of free and fair democratic elections and democratic institutions in the U.S., issuing malicious cyber activity against the U.S. and its allies, and threatening  well-established principles of international law, including respect for the territorial integrity of states.

The letter notes that Biden said in his order that  persons responsible for or complicit in, or have directly or indirectly engaged or attempted to engage in the  assassination, murder or other unlawful killing of, or infliction of other bodily harm against, a United States person or a citizen or national of a United States ally or partner; activities that undermine the peace, security, political stability, or territorial integrity of the United States, its allies, or its partners are eligible for expansive economic sanctions.




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-war-gop-senators-biden-sanction-wagner-group-zelenskyy-assassination
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 03, 2022, 11:26:02 AM
Also, Russia has basically issued a veiled threat to France that it could be next if it doesn't shut up about economic sanctions on Russia.


They cant even fully attack Ukraine - you think they can handle France?

Yes....if NATO including the US does nothing.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 03, 2022, 11:39:09 AM
Biden Administration must now act.

 
Last April, Biden issued an executive order targeting the Russian Federation for broad sweeping offenses, which included undermining the conduct of free and fair democratic elections and democratic institutions in the U.S., issuing malicious cyber activity against the U.S. and its allies, and threatening  well-established principles of international law, including respect for the territorial integrity of states.

The letter notes that Biden said in his order that  persons responsible for or complicit in, or have directly or indirectly engaged or attempted to engage in the  assassination, murder or other unlawful killing of, or infliction of other bodily harm against, a United States person or a citizen or national of a United States ally or partner; activities that undermine the peace, security, political stability, or territorial integrity of the United States, its allies, or its partners are eligible for expansive economic sanctions.




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-war-gop-senators-biden-sanction-wagner-group-zelenskyy-assassination

Russia just laughs at sanctions.
A friend of mine told me yesterday that Putin has $600bn in a fighting fund to cover any sanctions.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on March 03, 2022, 12:33:34 PM
That's your source for us?  A friend told you?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 03, 2022, 12:50:51 PM
Biden Administration must now act.

 
Last April, Biden issued an executive order targeting the Russian Federation for broad sweeping offenses, which included undermining the conduct of free and fair democratic elections and democratic institutions in the U.S., issuing malicious cyber activity against the U.S. and its allies, and threatening  well-established principles of international law, including respect for the territorial integrity of states.

The letter notes that Biden said in his order that  persons responsible for or complicit in, or have directly or indirectly engaged or attempted to engage in the  assassination, murder or other unlawful killing of, or infliction of other bodily harm against, a United States person or a citizen or national of a United States ally or partner; activities that undermine the peace, security, political stability, or territorial integrity of the United States, its allies, or its partners are eligible for expansive economic sanctions.




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-war-gop-senators-biden-sanction-wagner-group-zelenskyy-assassination

Russia just laughs at sanctions.
A friend of mine told me yesterday that Putin has $600bn in a fighting fund to cover any sanctions.

Yeah... about that $600 billion...

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-putin-sanctions-russia-central-bank-war-chest-ukraine-crisis-2022-2
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 01:00:46 PM
Biden Administration must now act.

 
Last April, Biden issued an executive order targeting the Russian Federation for broad sweeping offenses, which included undermining the conduct of free and fair democratic elections and democratic institutions in the U.S., issuing malicious cyber activity against the U.S. and its allies, and threatening  well-established principles of international law, including respect for the territorial integrity of states.

The letter notes that Biden said in his order that  persons responsible for or complicit in, or have directly or indirectly engaged or attempted to engage in the  assassination, murder or other unlawful killing of, or infliction of other bodily harm against, a United States person or a citizen or national of a United States ally or partner; activities that undermine the peace, security, political stability, or territorial integrity of the United States, its allies, or its partners are eligible for expansive economic sanctions.




https://www.foxnews.com/politics/russia-ukraine-war-gop-senators-biden-sanction-wagner-group-zelenskyy-assassination

Entertaining to see you embracing the notion that Russia has been acting against the US.

And what makes you think that the Biden administration is not acting?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 01:01:52 PM
A friend of mine told me yesterday that Putin has $600bn in a fighting fund to cover any sanctions.

Well, then, it must be so!

Thank your friend on behalf of the world, would you?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 01:15:42 PM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274927496_5214138258624866_1183999412694711421_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1_OuITFmHRUAX_5BBFr&tn=aQaxeqK0Pwd0simd&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8dqP9WfMcwpMDptBL54W0_A7pD0ndOGhUNiGDt75kpFg&oe=6225E571)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 01:21:12 PM
CNN is the source.
Quote
"It is a historic day for Georgia - we are signing an Application for EU Membership on behalf of the country. Application for EU Membership is yet another milestone on the path of European integration of Georgia - it is a stage, which turns a new page in our history and continues the effort of our ancestors, which is aimed at the accession of Georgia into a common European family," he said.

Tblisi had been prepared to apply for full EU membership in 2024, according to the European Parliament.

Tbilisi's application comes two days after its neighbor and fellow former Soviet republic of Ukraine said it was seeking fast-track membership to the bloc.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky asked the EU on Monday to "urgently admit Ukraine" to the bloc.

"We are grateful to partners for standing with us. But our goal is to be with all Europeans and, to be equal to them. I am sure we deserve it. I am sure it is possible," Zelensky said.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 03, 2022, 01:25:02 PM
Vatican News

12 hours

Reconciliation, forgiveness, dialogue, and the full awareness that there can be no room for violence are underscored in an appeal for peace by a group of 233 clerics of the Russian Orthodox Church, who also expressed hopes that all soldiers, Russian and Ukrainian, can return home unharmed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 03, 2022, 06:06:05 PM
Also, Russia has basically issued a veiled threat to France that it could be next if it doesn't shut up about economic sanctions on Russia.


They cant even fully attack Ukraine - you think they can handle France?

Yes....if NATO including the US does nothing.
With that traitor Putin lover Trump no longer in power we are recommitted to Article 5 of the NATO charter. But again, you do not understand NATO.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 06:40:09 PM
Also, Russia has basically issued a veiled threat to France that it could be next if it doesn't shut up about economic sanctions on Russia.


They cant even fully attack Ukraine - you think they can handle France?

Yes....if NATO including the US does nothing.
With that traitor Putin lover Trump no longer in power we are recommitted to Article 5 of the NATO charter. But again, you do not understand NATO.

Or anything else.

Not even Australia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 03, 2022, 08:54:31 PM
Holy mother of fuck what is wrong with these people....

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-1-europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-fire-after-russian-attack-mayor-2022-03-04/

Hope the containment of the reactor core is not breached.  No change in background radiation measured so far.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 03, 2022, 09:26:46 PM
Holy mother of fuck what is wrong with these people....

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-1-europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-fire-after-russian-attack-mayor-2022-03-04/

Hope the containment of the reactor core is not breached.  No change in background radiation measured so far.

It's Russia...did you really expect anything less.
This is what Europe and NATO get for abandoning Ukraine and letting  Russia just do as it pleases.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 03, 2022, 09:35:31 PM
Holy mother of fuck what is wrong with these people....

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-1-europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-fire-after-russian-attack-mayor-2022-03-04/

Hope the containment of the reactor core is not breached.  No change in background radiation measured so far.

Putin, like trump, has an abusive mindset and is wanting to break that which rejects him.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 09:39:25 PM
Holy mother of fuck what is wrong with these people....

https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/top-wrap-1-europes-largest-nuclear-power-plant-fire-after-russian-attack-mayor-2022-03-04/

Hope the containment of the reactor core is not breached.  No change in background radiation measured so far.

Reading plenty of news reports saying the radiation level has gone up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 03, 2022, 09:48:37 PM
Looks like Russia is trying to blow up the plant and reactors.
If the electricity gets cut, if the plumbing gets cut...up she goes, a nuclear expert just said on my tv.
American expert.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 09:59:14 PM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275041840_416178333609032_2209426259514688450_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=MBsIjGc-OTgAX-VQB6q&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9SVp4e643uD2bXEas3K_vyROKxUAaHtFWIuJytaWjypQ&oe=6226981B)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 03, 2022, 10:22:45 PM
For the Ukrainians looking for ideas for the type of restaurant to open in Nevada, and on other parts of the USA, including in Merced, California...

The best pastrami sandwich in Orange County is at Harry's Cafe in Stanton...

Get the combo with a Dr Pepper and onion rings.

http://www.harryscafeorangecounty.com/

You can open a Harry's Cafe anywhere in the world and succeed, it is a great restaurant, and the pastrami is fantastic.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 03, 2022, 10:39:39 PM
The Ukrainians can also open Oki Dog restaurants all around the world... They have the best pastrami hot dog...

http://www.oki-dog.com/index.html

Nevada would love Oki Dog restaurants, and so would Merced, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 03, 2022, 10:41:48 PM
https://archive.ph/vGQht

NTY: High speed trains out of Russia for Finland are packed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 03, 2022, 11:16:18 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/how-putin-wants-russians-to-see-the-war-in-ukraine (http://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch/how-putin-wants-russians-to-see-the-war-in-ukraine)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 04, 2022, 01:02:33 AM
So sad really, Putin is the new prince of darkness. Bombing nuclear plants and children hospitals turning a modern society into rubble. Killing innocents indiscriminately. Maybe taking some yachts will help.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 04, 2022, 02:22:22 AM
The Ukrainians can also open Oki Dog restaurants all around the world... They have the best pastrami hot dog...

http://www.oki-dog.com/index.html

Also the fabulous Kiev Diner in the east Village of NYC.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 04, 2022, 10:19:43 AM
Sounds like the building on fire was a training facility, so the world got lucky.  Where are the military professionals in these invasion forces?  You know, officers who can point out that it's a bad idea to shoot directly at Europe's largest reactor complex, and that functioning power plants have strategic value.   

Meanwhile, I like the Japanese non-lethal assistance, it's stuff they really need in Ukraine and sometimes gets overlooked when countries are sending aid. 

It is a rare move by Japan, which has a principle of not shipping defense supplies to countries in conflict.

Bulletproof vests, helmets, tents, as well as generators, food, winter clothes and medical supplies will be delivered by Self-Defense Force aircraft.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 04, 2022, 10:23:11 AM
So sad really, Putin is the new prince of darkness. Bombing nuclear plants and children hospitals turning a modern society into rubble. Killing innocents indiscriminately. Maybe taking some yachts will help.

I didn't think I'd ever say this, a week ago, but we need to consider a no fly zone.  Putin is a direct and immediate threat to all Europe.   
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 04, 2022, 10:23:32 AM
So sad really, Putin is the new prince of darkness. Bombing nuclear plants and children hospitals turning a modern society into rubble. Killing innocents indiscriminately. Maybe taking some yachts will help.
Pity you did not feel that way about Aleppo.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 04, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
So sad really, Putin is the new prince of darkness. Bombing nuclear plants and children hospitals turning a modern society into rubble. Killing innocents indiscriminately. Maybe taking some yachts will help.
Pity you did not feel that way about Aleppo.

No thought that was a Civil war to stop ISIS, not an invasion of a modern democratic nation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 04, 2022, 12:14:22 PM
So sad really, Putin is the new prince of darkness. Bombing nuclear plants and children hospitals turning a modern society into rubble. Killing innocents indiscriminately. Maybe taking some yachts will help.
Pity you did not feel that way about Aleppo.

No thought that was a Civil war to stop ISIS, not an invasion of a modern democratic nation.

"No thought"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 04, 2022, 12:39:25 PM
So sad really, Putin is the new prince of darkness. Bombing nuclear plants and children hospitals turning a modern society into rubble. Killing innocents indiscriminately. Maybe taking some yachts will help.

I didn't think I'd ever say this, a week ago, but we need to consider a no fly zone.  Putin is a direct and immediate threat to all Europe.

A no fly zone means NATO shooting down Russian aircraft.

not sure we are there just yet.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 04, 2022, 01:10:33 PM
So sad really, Putin is the new prince of darkness. Bombing nuclear plants and children hospitals turning a modern society into rubble. Killing innocents indiscriminately. Maybe taking some yachts will help.
Pity you did not feel that way about Aleppo.

No thought that was a Civil war to stop ISIS, not an invasion of a modern democratic nation.
Your ignorance of that part of the world is exceeded only by your ignorance and hatred.of the people living there.

Ever ask yourself why we, including the Trump administration, were backing the rebels in Aleppo, as modern a city as Kyiv and as historically and culturally important, if they were ISIS?  Or did you just not care?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 04, 2022, 02:02:26 PM
The people at the Russian Tea Room in New York City are very upset, they denounce the actions of Putin, and they send love to the people of Ukraine and they beg for peace.

The Russian Tea Room is an asset as we look for allies in Russia.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 04, 2022, 03:07:43 PM
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/596916-white-house-distances-itself-from-grahams-putin-comments
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 04, 2022, 03:16:10 PM
The people at the Russian Tea Room in New York City are very upset, they denounce the actions of Putin, and they send love to the people of Ukraine and they beg for peace.

The Russian Tea Room is an asset as we look for allies in Russia.

Salute,

Tony V.

Meanwhile vandals messed up Russia House in Kalorama DC.

The restaurant is American owned and operated and before it shut down two years ago (it was on the verge of reopening when vandalized) and had a devoted clientele


https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/nw-dc-russia-house-restaurant-vandalized/65-ff73fd23-4daf-40e1-8ede-689fa2f963db
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 04, 2022, 04:15:10 PM
We need to find good people to support in Russia against the bad people, and then remove Putin and any other bad apples, and then we need to have peace and trade with the good people who take control of Russia after Putin is removed.

And that is my global policy, we need to find good peaceful allies to support around the world, and we need to reward our allies with trade deals, etc.

We need to appeal to the best in humanity, and we need to reward and make an example of the good peaceful people who seek peaceful trade and education for their people, and the arts, and science, and health care, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on March 04, 2022, 05:05:42 PM
So the West is just going to watch the slow motion destruction, massacre and takeover of Ukraine?
If NATO had any courage they'd announce that they will defend Kyiv from any attack, at the invitation of the legal gov't, while demanding that Putin's tank convoy retreat back to Belarus or it will be destroyed.  Is Putin really about to go nuclear to overthrow the Ukraine gov't?  Likely just the declaration to protect Kyiv would stop any attack.  Putin's conventional forces are no match for the US/NATO, and he knows that.
Putin's got Donbass and a land corridor to Crimea.  He can claim success and negotiate from that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 04, 2022, 05:20:23 PM
This was the basis of my no fly zone question posted this morning, Bo. 

That idiotic convoy can't even move, due to a bridge out.  With NATO air support, they would be finished. 

The reason I would still hesitate to go full hawk on this is that there are millions of people dependent on Russian grain in Africa.  And other global connections where many would go hungry or freeze, if a full blown war erupted across Eurasia.  So I hope these very destructive sanctions can work and Putin can't access those cash reserves to skate through. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 04, 2022, 05:41:29 PM

So the West is just going to watch the slow motion destruction, massacre and takeover of Ukraine?

If NATO had any courage they'd announce that they will defend Kyiv from any attack, at the invitation of the legal gov't, while demanding that Putin's tank convoy retreat back to Belarus or it will be destroyed.  Is Putin really about to go nuclear to overthrow the Ukraine gov't?  Likely just the declaration to protect Kyiv would stop any attack.  Putin's conventional forces are no match for the US/NATO, and he knows that.
Putin's got Donbass and a land corridor to Crimea.  He can claim success and negotiate from that.

Obviously, yes.

When I was having lunch yesterday, in front of the tv...30+ people in an apartment building were murdered by Russia, missile attack.
It's not the same as when the Allies fire-bombed Tokyo, nuked Japan, and bombed Dresden WW2.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 04, 2022, 06:29:14 PM
Habitat for Humanity

1 hour

Habitat for Humanity has begun efforts to reduce the vulnerability of refugees at the Ukrainian border and meet their shelter needs in Hungary, Poland, Romania and Slovakia. Learn more about our current activities and future plans: habitat.ngo/ULQGVR


--------

Habitat For Humanity can also help to build apartment complexes in Nevada, etc. And they need to keep it fun by bringing in fun architects and fun designers.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 04, 2022, 06:43:37 PM
Opinion | On the Stupidity of Lindsey Graham
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 04, 2022, 06:51:39 PM
Opinion | On the Stupidity of Lindsey Graham

I agree with Graham... but I am not a US Senator so me calling for the assassination of a foreign leader is no big deal.

Lindsey has two positions: in your face or at your feet.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 04, 2022, 07:46:31 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/04/lindsey-graham-assassination-putin-dumb-00014309

A bargain at a million?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 04, 2022, 09:38:33 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/04/lindsey-graham-assassination-putin-dumb-00014309

A bargain at a million?

If we start trying to assassinate other countries' leaders, what is to stop those countries from doing the same to our leaders?

And I don't just mean US leaders, either.

As an immediate effort, it makes sense - until you look at the ramifications.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 04, 2022, 10:05:26 PM
Graham is not telling Americans to assassinate anyone.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 04, 2022, 10:15:54 PM
This was the basis of my no fly zone question posted this morning, Bo. 

That idiotic convoy can't even move, due to a bridge out.  With NATO air support, they would be finished. 

The reason I would still hesitate to go full hawk on this is that there are millions of people dependent on Russian grain in Africa.  And other global connections where many would go hungry or freeze, if a full blown war erupted across Eurasia.  So I hope these very destructive sanctions can work and Putin can't access those cash reserves to skate through.

The convoy is getting chewed up by drones, eastern block A-10 warthog equivalents, and the occasional javelin. The main defect it has as a convoy is that it cannot actually go anywhere, a key element of conveying stuff. Right now Ukraine has bigger fish to fry.

http://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/03/russian-troops-attack-and-destroy-their-own-troops-tanks/ (http://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/03/russian-troops-attack-and-destroy-their-own-troops-tanks/)

Accidental, induced, or mutinous? However it went down, let us hope it starts a trend.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 04, 2022, 10:57:33 PM
If we expect Ukraine to be strong like Israel was in the 6 Day War, then we need to arm and protect Ukraine the same as Israel is armed and protected, with the Iron Dome missile defense system, and fighter planes, etc. We need to arm Ukraine like Israel if we expect for Ukraine to be strong like Israel. Iron Dome needs to protect Ukraine, while fighter jets strike Moscow. Etc. We need to take the fight to Moscow and out of the Ukraine, while Iron Dome protects Ukraine, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 05, 2022, 12:49:56 AM
Graham is not telling Americans to assassinate anyone.

He was calling for the assassination of the leader of a sovereign nation. He is a US Senator so it can be interpreted by foreign nations as the policy of the US government and that is not a good message.

Suppose an American did try, fail and get captured?

Because you out paper on a guy and whoever closes first gets paid.

outside of the inner circle of yes men there are a bunch of oligarchs who made their billions pre Putin who Putin has no use for. The question is which one has the stones to make a move on the Don?.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on March 05, 2022, 04:02:57 AM
Shouldn't forget that Trump blabbed classified info to Lavrov and the Russian ambassador, so that the best US Kremlin source had to be exfiltrated: US extracted top spy from inside Russia in 2017 (https://edition.cnn.com/2019/09/09/politics/russia-us-spy-extracted/index.html)

Or that Trump conducted secret talks with Putin.
That Jared wanted to have a secret communication channel inside the Russian embassy.
That Trump praised Putin endlessly, even after Russia invaded Ukraine.

How can the Dems fail to capitalize on all the Trump support for Putin and Russia?

Not to mention that Trump tried to subvert and stop the peaceful transfer of power in the US, and incited a violent insurrection against the US Gov't.

How aren't these thing negatives?
How is Trump not in a holding cell or at least a courtroom?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 05, 2022, 04:04:34 AM
http://www.lawfareblog.com/ukrainian-and-russian-will-fight-early-war-assessment (http://www.lawfareblog.com/ukrainian-and-russian-will-fight-early-war-assessment)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 05, 2022, 11:26:35 AM
This was the basis of my no fly zone question posted this morning, Bo. 

That idiotic convoy can't even move, due to a bridge out.  With NATO air support, they would be finished. 

The reason I would still hesitate to go full hawk on this is that there are millions of people dependent on Russian grain in Africa.  And other global connections where many would go hungry or freeze, if a full blown war erupted across Eurasia.  So I hope these very destructive sanctions can work and Putin can't access those cash reserves to skate through.

The convoy is getting chewed up by drones, eastern block A-10 warthog equivalents, and the occasional javelin. The main defect it has as a convoy is that it cannot actually go anywhere, a key element of conveying stuff. Right now Ukraine has bigger fish to fry.


I am starting to better understand the Soviet Afghan debacle. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 05, 2022, 11:31:41 AM
George Will, not my favorite, but he sure knows how to sling words...

(glitching quote marks replaced with parens)

J.D. Vance, groveling for Trump s benediction (Vance covets Ohios Republican Senate nomination), two weeks ago said: (I dont really care what happens to Ukraine.) Apparently upon discovering that Ohio has 43,000 Ukrainian Americans, Vance underwent a conviction transplant, saying, (Russia s assault on Ukraine is unquestionably a tragedy,) and emitting clouds of idolatry for Trump s supposedly Metternichian diplomacy regarding Putin... 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/04/power-of-trump-in-gop-is-waning/

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 12:00:35 PM
Piers Ackerman, writing in my Sunday Telegraph today says it true:

Vladimir Putin finds little resistance beyond Ukraine borders.

Ukrainians are paying a cruel price in blood and treasure to the murderous Russian tyrant Vladimir Putin as his missiles destroy their lives and property.

But the Western liberal democracies are also paying a massive price as any illusions that international safeguards against brutality can be effective are destroyed.

/cont'd
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 12:17:50 PM
/cont'd

Putin has told French President Emmanuel Macron Russia has no intention of halting the attacks, let alone withdrawing from the captured territory, and his goal is to seize the nation in its entirety to "de Nazify Ukraine to the end".

His fantasy is to recreate the imperial Russia of the tsars and with his annexation of Donetsk and Luhansk - the so-called breakaway republic's- and his capture of Georgia and Crimea, he is well on his way to fulfilling his dream.

The European Union has so far done little more than offer refuge to a million or so civilians who have fled the Russian bombardment.

/cont'd
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 05, 2022, 12:32:25 PM
Some of you may not feel that the sanctions have done much. Putin would seem to disagree.

Putin's line at the end is like every bully or abuser ever. "If we keep hurting you, it's your own fault."

Also, with Putin having declared a no-fly zone over Ukraine, I take that as an invitation for NATO to do the same - though it may take a relief flight's being shot down or two to force NATO to act.

From CNN
Putin says sanctions introduced on Russia are equal to a "declaration of war"
From CNN's Mostafa Salem

Quote
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Saturday that the sanctions introduced on his country are "equivalent of a declaration of war."

Putin also said there are not planning on a state of emergency in Russia or enlisiting conscripts for the "operation" in Ukraine.

"We could have taken a different course of action," he said. "We could have helped the republics of Donbas at the contact line and reinforced them with the Russian army, but in this case, and I mean with the unwavering support from the west, we would have radicals on the other side coming endlessly... with support from the west."

"Our General Staff, the Ministry of Defense, went the other way; the first thing they did was to destroy the entire military infrastructure [of Ukraine], well, not all of it, but partially, mostly. Warehouses with weapons, ammunition, aviation, air defense systems," he said.

Putin said they have almost completed the destruction of the Ukrainian air defense systems.

CNN cannot independently confirm Putin's claims.

"Hence the demand to close the sky, but the implementation of this demand is associated with colossal and catastrophic consequences not only for Europe, but for the whole world," he said.

"The current [Ukrainian] leadership needs to understand that if they continue doing what they are doing, they put under question the future of Ukrainian statehood. And if that happens, it will be entirely on their conscience," Putin added. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 12:40:28 PM
/cont'd

Strong words in Brussels don't match high explosives in Kyiv, no matter how strongly former German defence minister, Ursula von der Leyen, now President of the European Commission, codemns Putin's actions.

Europe has been left vulnerable because of the insane acceptance of the highly dubious claims of fanatical green climate extremists who successfully demanded that reliable coal-powered plants be closed.

Germany's former leader Angela "Mutti" Merkel, an unreconstructed East German - born socialist, went even further, decommissioning her nation's nuclear power plants. Bowing to green lunacy played into the hands of Russia which supplies the gas essential to power Western Europe.

/cont'd
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 05, 2022, 12:54:31 PM
/cont'd

Strong words in Brussels don't match high explosives in Kyiv, no matter how strongly former German defence minister, Ursula von der Leyen, now President of the European Commission, codemns Putin's actions.

Europe has been left vulnerable because of the insane acceptance of the highly dubious claims of fanatical green climate extremists who successfully demanded that reliable coal-powered plants be closed.

Germany's former leader Angela "Mutti" Merkel, an unreconstructed East German - born socialist, went even further, decommissioning her nation's nuclear power plants. Bowing to green lunacy played into the hands of Russia which supplies the gas essential to power Western Europe.

/cont'd

Jeezus!

Nuke em all
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 12:56:20 PM
/cont'd

With their energy in Russia's hands and Ukraine falling (after a probably protracted and terribly bloody siege involving thousands of deaths on both sides), the European nations will accept Russian seizure of most of Ukraine's critical resources so they can continue to have airconditioning and hot showers without resorting to nasty coal power.

US President Joe Biden also gave away the US's strategic fuel advantage when he reversed Donald Trump's domestic energy certainty for foreign oil dependency, playing into Russia's hands.

#####

Well there you go.
The facts of how it all is, the mess it all is, in one true and brilliant piece of writing.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 05, 2022, 02:03:14 PM
The facts of how it all is

Heavily laden with opinion and few facts, but we don't expect that you can tell the difference.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 03:04:15 PM
The facts of how it all is

Heavily laden with opinion and few facts, but we don't expect that you can tell the difference.

In my mind it's all factual, every bit of it.
What's not factual?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 05, 2022, 03:19:21 PM
The lamentations of coal hos are not factual.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 05, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/5/2084075/-Just-like-your-Fox-News-spewing-uncle-Putin-has-brainwashed-himself (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/5/2084075/-Just-like-your-Fox-News-spewing-uncle-Putin-has-brainwashed-himself)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 05:27:44 PM
The lamentations of coal hos are not factual.

The green dreamers in Europe are indeed slaves to Russia...factual.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 05, 2022, 05:54:40 PM
The facts of how it all is

Heavily laden with opinion and few facts, but we don't expect that you can tell the difference.

In my mind it's all factual, every bit of it.
What's not factual?

I will tell you a fact.

The author never referenced the fact Trump tried to make Zelensky manufacture dirt on Biden or he would not get money already appropriated by Congress.

Without that fact everything else is bullshit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 05, 2022, 07:23:07 PM
Putin got upset when we built missile defense systems in Europe, such as Iron Dome in Israel, but right now everyone who has missile defense will agree that it was money well spent and an endeavor worth doing. The Ukraine needs to have the same missile defense system that all humans are allowed by right to have.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 05, 2022, 08:07:25 PM
Putin is an insane madman who needs to be removed, and it would be good if the Russians removed Putin themselves.

Meanwhile, we need to stop the missiles from raining down on Ukraine, we know how to do missile defense. It is all wrong for things to go the way things are going, and the evil madman needs to suffer instead of innocent people suffering.

We need Iron Dome for Ukraine, and we need to take the fight to Moscow to remove Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 05, 2022, 09:05:04 PM
Ukraine asked for an Iron Dome missile defense system, but Israel was afraid of the Russian response...

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-torpedoed-sale-of-iron-dome-to-ukraine-fearing-russian-reaction-report/

It is time to remove Putin, and it would be good if the Russians removed Putin themselves.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 11:51:23 PM
Putin got upset when we built missile defense systems in Europe, such as Iron Dome in Israel, but right now everyone who has missile defense will agree that it was money well spent and an endeavor worth doing. The Ukraine needs to have the same missile defense system that all humans are allowed by right to have.

Salute,

Tony V.

Missile defence?
Great.
Would love some.
Too bad my politicians have been sleepwalking thru life for the last 50 years.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 11:56:12 PM
Putin is an insane madman who needs to be removed, and it would be good if the Russians removed Putin themselves.

Meanwhile, we need to stop the missiles from raining down on Ukraine, we know how to do missile defense. It is all wrong for things to go the way things are going, and the evil madman needs to suffer instead of innocent people suffering.

We need Iron Dome for Ukraine, and we need to take the fight to Moscow to remove Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.

I'm not volunteering...and I really don't believe very many Westerners are either.
Experts say US doesn't want to get into all-out war with Russia.
Time for all the countries in Europe to do the fighting for Ukraine...but they don't seem interested.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 06, 2022, 12:26:49 AM
Putin is an insane madman who needs to be removed, and it would be good if the Russians removed Putin themselves.

Meanwhile, we need to stop the missiles from raining down on Ukraine, we know how to do missile defense. It is all wrong for things to go the way things are going, and the evil madman needs to suffer instead of innocent people suffering.

We need Iron Dome for Ukraine, and we need to take the fight to Moscow to remove Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.

I'm not volunteering...and I really don't believe very many Westerners are either.
Experts say US doesn't want to get into all-out war with Russia.
Time for all the countries in Europe to do the fighting for Ukraine...but they don't seem interested.

Oliver Stone thinks that Macron can help.

And as for me, I think Silvio Berlusconi can help. And Juan Carlos, and his son the King of Spain King Philip II.

And we have to be careful, as we defeat Putin then he will become all the more irrational and insane and desperate.

We also need to keep working hard at the United Nations to isolate Putin and to cast him out.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 06, 2022, 12:42:15 AM
Macron is a strong leader, and he told Putin that Putin is lying to himself.

https://www.aol.com/news/frances-macron-told-putin-lying-140452092-182414186.html

I still suggest building up the French Foreign Legion with Mexicans and with Colombians and with people from the Philippines, etc, we need to strengthen the French Foreign Legion. And we need to make sure that the French Foreign Legion is well supplied.

And France needs to work together with Italy, and Spain, and with all of NATO.

If Russia attacks France, then the USA is in the war.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 06, 2022, 01:16:43 AM
Ukraine is doing a foreign legion now, and many people from France are going to fight in Ukraine.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/03/world/europe/french-volunteers-ukraine.html

So as France has the French Foreign Legion, so too now Ukraine has a foreign legion and French people are joining their legion.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 06, 2022, 02:06:04 AM
Putin is going against everything that good people stand for. Instead of helping people he is causing death and misery and he is creating poverty as people leave their homes with just the clothes that they are wearing. Millions of people are going to be wandering around homeless depending on aid from others. And the world economy was already bad, and we had the problems with the corona crisis. We are going to have poor, desperate people arriving here in the USA seeking opportunities.

And we already have 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone who need help.

We need to have peace, and we need to help the homeless, and we need to be the land of opportunity so that everyone can earn a living and buy a home, etc.

The Russians are going to come to America too when they end up poor and hungry from the sanctions, and most Russians were already poor. And it is a short trip for the Russians to enter Alaska.

Somehow we need to reach out to the Russians who loved the USA in 1991, and we need to put the good Russians in charge of Russia. They need a a new wise Junta in Russia.

I hate it when people intentionally cause poverty and suffering and death, instead we need to be helping the poor people in Latin America, and in the Philippines, and we need to be expanding world trade and we need to be creating ladders by which the poor can climb to better lives and we need to be creating a more wise and peaceful world.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 06, 2022, 02:06:11 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNG8PMYUYAQpIO-?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 06, 2022, 08:40:13 AM
The facts of how it all is

Heavily laden with opinion and few facts, but we don't expect that you can tell the difference.

In my mind it's all factual, every bit of it.
What's not factual?

I will tell you a fact.

The author never referenced the fact Trump tried to make Zelensky manufacture dirt on Biden or he would not get money already appropriated by Congress.

Without that fact everything else is bullshit.

Continuing to make Biden's presidential performane about Trump

Priceless.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 06, 2022, 09:56:43 AM
The facts of how it all is

Heavily laden with opinion and few facts, but we don't expect that you can tell the difference.

In my mind it's all factual, every bit of it.
What's not factual?

I will tell you a fact.

The author never referenced the fact Trump tried to make Zelensky manufacture dirt on Biden or he would not get money already appropriated by Congress.

Without that fact everything else is bullshit.

Continuing to make Biden's presidential performane about Trump

Priceless.


Compare and contrast, Yo!

Not even close.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eN2jqTilLOM


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 06, 2022, 12:01:07 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 06, 2022, 12:58:44 PM
Pop Alexi Ovechkin for coke. Fair is fair.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on March 06, 2022, 01:34:54 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 06, 2022, 01:53:07 PM
Putin is going against everything that good people stand for. Instead of helping people he is causing death and misery and he is creating poverty as people leave their homes with just the clothes that they are wearing. Millions of people are going to be wandering around homeless depending on aid from others. And the world economy was already bad, and we had the problems with the corona crisis. We are going to have poor, desperate people arriving here in the USA seeking opportunities.

And we already have 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone who need help.

We need to have peace, and we need to help the homeless, and we need to be the land of opportunity so that everyone can earn a living and buy a home, etc.

The Russians are going to come to America too when they end up poor and hungry from the sanctions, and most Russians were already poor. And it is a short trip for the Russians to enter Alaska.

Somehow we need to reach out to the Russians who loved the USA in 1991, and we need to put the good Russians in charge of Russia. They need a a new wise Junta in Russia.

I hate it when people intentionally cause poverty and suffering and death, instead we need to be helping the poor people in Latin America, and in the Philippines, and we need to be expanding world trade and we need to be creating ladders by which the poor can climb to better lives and we need to be creating a more wise and peaceful world.

Salute,

Tony V.

Its all about removing the madman Putin. Save millions of lives and endless suffering not to mention future wars. Putin has borrowed heavily from the Nazi roadmap. Too much for a seal team Op? James Bond where are you when the world needs you. 12 o clock high on the Kremlin? Actually death by drone would be most fitting.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 06, 2022, 02:35:13 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

Another clear reason to stay right away from Russia, China, and every other place in the world, basically ....unless there's an absolute guarantee of safety and no political blackmail...beyond one's own country's shores.

After the Bali bombings MK2 in 2005 a man rang my radio and said:

"Slow-learners are still going to Bali"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 06, 2022, 02:38:09 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 06, 2022, 02:40:19 PM
Putin is going against everything that good people stand for. Instead of helping people he is causing death and misery and he is creating poverty as people leave their homes with just the clothes that they are wearing. Millions of people are going to be wandering around homeless depending on aid from others. And the world economy was already bad, and we had the problems with the corona crisis. We are going to have poor, desperate people arriving here in the USA seeking opportunities.

And we already have 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone who need help.

We need to have peace, and we need to help the homeless, and we need to be the land of opportunity so that everyone can earn a living and buy a home, etc.

The Russians are going to come to America too when they end up poor and hungry from the sanctions, and most Russians were already poor. And it is a short trip for the Russians to enter Alaska.

Somehow we need to reach out to the Russians who loved the USA in 1991, and we need to put the good Russians in charge of Russia. They need a a new wise Junta in Russia.

I hate it when people intentionally cause poverty and suffering and death, instead we need to be helping the poor people in Latin America, and in the Philippines, and we need to be expanding world trade and we need to be creating ladders by which the poor can climb to better lives and we need to be creating a more wise and peaceful world.

Salute,

Tony V.

Might wanna check very carefully the ID and background of any "Russian refugees" allegedly fleeing Ukraine.
Could be terrorists/spies out to destroy America, and the West.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 06, 2022, 02:42:51 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

It will be if Russia attacks any NATO country....IF, alliances still mean something.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 06, 2022, 03:50:00 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

Another clear reason to stay right away from Russia, China, and every other place in the world, basically ....unless there's an absolute guarantee of safety and no political blackmail...beyond one's own country's shores.

After the Bali bombings MK2 in 2005 a man rang my radio and said:

"Slow-learners are still going to Bali"
Did you enjoy the trip?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 06, 2022, 05:17:54 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

That's it?  This is what you are  going on?


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 06, 2022, 05:45:30 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

I am sure NATO is revising its most recent and comprehensive plan for how to demilitarize Russia pretty damn quick.

Arming Ukraine from the east end of NATO with equipment they are familiar with while replacing the committed hardware with upgrades, focused on jets and artillery, along with all the drones, luggable missiles, and basic supplies Ukraine can carry. This keeps us out of direct war with Russia and makes the Ukrainian forces more dangerous to the occupying Russian military. If Ukraine can beat Russia without NATO directly committing that is among the better outcomes.

If Russia brings a nuclear weapon to bear or cracks a nuclear facility by plan or happenstance, it becomes a different story involving the execution of those aforementioned plans.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 06, 2022, 06:13:18 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

That's it?  This is what you are  going on?

Kid only believes in "innocent unti proven guilty" when it's applied to people he supports.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 06, 2022, 06:50:25 PM
Kid heard from his bot friends that Griner also use emails.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2022, 07:29:15 PM
The nuclear power plants are safe crowd never mentions how vulnerable they are to attack and/or sabotage* (electricity failure caused the Fukushima disaster).  During wartime, they become highly dangerous targets with obvious vulnerabilities.  And of course there is no safe way of storing radioactive waste which poses a danger for an incredibly long time.  Other than that and the occasional Chernobyl and Fukushima, nuclear power is very safe ...

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 06, 2022, 08:02:17 PM
Yeah I'm always surprised at how many people don't grasp that the big reactor cooling systems are run off the electrical grid.  And backup is usually diesel generators.  (And then next backup is batteries, IF the company decided another level of safety was worth the trouble and expense).  So if the grid is down (likely in Russian attacks), and a missile happens to take out the generators, you are looking at potential disaster.  And, even if the plant was shut down shortly before, there's the problem they call decay heat, which is just intermediate radioisotopes with a short half-life still cranking out heat in the fuel rods and this still requires the coolant pumps to be running for several days or weeks. 

The new generation of modular reactors with passive emergency cooling are much safer, especially in a crazy world with bad actors.  They still have the waste problem, of course.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 06, 2022, 08:28:27 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

I am sure NATO is revising its most recent and comprehensive plan for how to demilitarize Russia pretty damn quick.

Arming Ukraine from the east end of NATO with equipment they are familiar with while replacing the committed hardware with upgrades, focused on jets and artillery, along with all the drones, luggable missiles, and basic supplies Ukraine can carry. This keeps us out of direct war with Russia and makes the Ukrainian forces more dangerous to the occupying Russian military. If Ukraine can beat Russia without NATO directly committing that is among the better outcomes.

If Russia brings a nuclear weapon to bear or cracks a nuclear facility by plan or happenstance, it becomes a different story involving the execution of those aforementioned plans.

What's scary is: how do allies deliver fighter jets to Ukraine without, y'know, flying them into Ukraine airspace?  IIRC Poland is willing to donate some of their MIGs, which involves the possibly provocative act of letting Ukrainian pilots come pick them up from Polish airfields and then fly sorties from there.  So it's unclear if Poland wants to risk Russia seeing them as joining the war. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 06, 2022, 08:57:49 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-demands-russia-release-wnba-star-no-right-to-hold-ms-griner-period


But she is guilty.

We don't know that the vape cartridges contain hashish oil.  Odd you would not consider that an adversary nation, with Russia's history of using the justice system for political arrests on false charges, might be doing this for political blackmail.

Another clear reason to stay right away from Russia, China, and every other place in the world, basically ....unless there's an absolute guarantee of safety and no political blackmail...beyond one's own country's shores.

After the Bali bombings MK2 in 2005 a man rang my radio and said:

"Slow-learners are still going to Bali"
Did you enjoy the trip?

LOL
Never would I ever set foot in Indonesia anywhere.

Not Indonesia, China, Russia, Vietnam, anywhere else in Asia, South America anywhere, Middle East anywhere...or any 'stan' countries...

There's a whole long list.
Watching "Banged up Abroad" turned me off travel for life.
I'd go to America with mrs bambu as my protector.
That's about all.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 06, 2022, 10:11:56 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/mar/06/the-more-ukraine-resists-the-greater-the-danger-to-nato-it-should-act-now-to-stop-the-slaughter

While he makes some points, I think it's not good to never mention Russia's huge nuke arsenal in such a commentary piece.  In a world of only conventional weapons, the no-fly zone option might be implemented by now, and I could well imagine the Russian army imploding in due course.  But that's not our world.

I am sure NATO is revising its most recent and comprehensive plan for how to demilitarize Russia pretty damn quick.

Arming Ukraine from the east end of NATO with equipment they are familiar with while replacing the committed hardware with upgrades, focused on jets and artillery, along with all the drones, luggable missiles, and basic supplies Ukraine can carry. This keeps us out of direct war with Russia and makes the Ukrainian forces more dangerous to the occupying Russian military. If Ukraine can beat Russia without NATO directly committing that is among the better outcomes.

If Russia brings a nuclear weapon to bear or cracks a nuclear facility by plan or happenstance, it becomes a different story involving the execution of those aforementioned plans.

What's scary is: how do allies deliver fighter jets to Ukraine without, y'know, flying them into Ukraine airspace?  IIRC Poland is willing to donate some of their MIGs, which involves the possibly provocative act of letting Ukrainian pilots come pick them up from Polish airfields and then fly sorties from there.  So it's unclear if Poland wants to risk Russia seeing them as joining the war.

I think that is it. Pilots will cross the border to pick them up. Russia basically has its whole western force contingent committed in Ukraine already. Short of icbms, there is not much Russia can do to stop the transfer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 06, 2022, 11:01:49 PM
The starving Russians can come to Alaska. And if you are starving in Alaska you can simply kill a moose or an elk and then you can have a freezer full of meat, and you can share meat with your neighbors. Plus there is seafood, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 12:17:21 AM
And if you are starving in Alaska you can simply kill a moose or an elk

Your ignorance occasionally challenges Bambu's.

Most of the time, if you are starving in Alaska, you won't be able to kill a moose or an elk. You'll be too busy dying from lack of food and shelter.

If you were somehow (a) an immigrant, (b) healthy enough to hunt, but (c) starving, it's going to cost over $2,000 to hunt for a day, including paying the required guide.

Assuming you're in the right part of the year and the state to be hunting them at all.

Fishing is cheaper, but not necessarily better for surviving the elements.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 01:05:35 AM
Russia has fired 600 missiles; 95% of amassed combat power now in Ukraine, senior US defense official says

NOW! Now is the time for the US to invade Russia, on a peacekeeping machine to respond to the pleas from their people...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 07, 2022, 01:38:07 AM
If Bambu had his ignorance challenged, he certainly never became aware of it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 07, 2022, 04:25:46 AM

NEWS
More Voices Join Congress' Calls for Biden to Give Ukraine Fighter Jets

Yes! Nothing makes a mad dictator think twice than a good bombing run.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 07, 2022, 05:10:34 AM
If Bambu had his ignorance challenged, he certainly never became aware of it.

bambu has never professed to be anything other than a broken down choir boy doing his best. :)
He is learning/has learnt most of what he knows at this point in time from YouTube, Daily Telegraph, no1 radio host and his life experience.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 07, 2022, 05:20:45 AM
$2000 a day to go hunting?
Best to spend that money on canned soup, a camping stove and butane cannisters...that's what some van-life folk do.
Canned soup is great, there's beef and vegetable, chicken and sweet corn,  pea and ham etc.
Yummy.

$6000 for 3 days hunting?
Nah, I could feed myself for years on soup for that much.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 09:54:58 AM
It's really small potatoes, but I have observed one aspect of the Russian invasion that has worked to my (and our) benefit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 07, 2022, 10:07:09 AM

NEWS
More Voices Join Congress' Calls for Biden to Give Ukraine Fighter Jets

Yes! Nothing makes a mad dictator think twice than a good bombing run.

Ukraine pilots would need months of training to fly F16s.  Makes more sense for USA to give Poland the F16s, which they want to upgrade to anyway, and then Poland in turn gives their Soviet era MiGs to Ukraine who already is trained on them.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 10:21:52 AM
Well, this will strike at Putin's core and show him the folly of his ways!

Quote
"The International Judo Federation announces that Mr. Vladimir Putin and Mr. Arkady Rotenberg have been removed from all positions held in the International Judo Federation," reads the latest one-line statement.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 07, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
I had no idea that it was so expensive to hunt in Alaska. That is a shame for the poor people who could benefit from the meat.

In Battle Mountain, Nevada, there is an abundance of wild rabbits, and you can hunt and eat the rabbits at any time for free, there is no license or anything needed. When I was a kid we hunted and ate rabbits in Nevada.

And it is going to be so hard for the refugees, I feel so sorry for them. With the corona crisis it has been hard on everyone, and in some places it has been hard for a long time.

The USA is one of the best nations on earth, but even here in the USA it is very hard for people. There are poor people in Kentucky whose families have been in the USA for generations who are living in poverty and who need teachers and helpers to rise. And it is even hard here in California, we have 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone.

My advice is to help everyone at once, help the refugees and immigrants and homeless people all at once, they can go to the same doctors, and they can live in the same apartment complexes, etc, and they can shop at the same grocery stores, etc. All men are created equal, and we can help everyone at once. All people need food and a home. 

And the new refugees can come to help to build Biden's bridges, etc. Whatever we have is open to all men equally, that is what freedom is all about.

I have seen some good people stepping up to help their fellow human beings, and that is what the world needs right now is a bunch of selfless helpers to help other people. And as we rise and are able then we need to help others. We need to organize and help people, like with Kiwanis, and other groups, as well as with every level of government.

We need peace, and we need prosperity, and we need for people to help each other.

If only Putin could go be homeless and hungry for a couple of years so he knows the hell that he is inflicting on millions of people, what a horrible man Putin is.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 07, 2022, 01:23:45 PM
Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 07, 2022, 01:49:53 PM
http://www.politico.eu/article/britain-tories-russian-money-oligarch/ (http://www.politico.eu/article/britain-tories-russian-money-oligarch/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on March 07, 2022, 01:56:21 PM
Weird to have Israel mediating the Russian War.  A country with a long history of holding sham negotiations as cover for its military occupation and appropriation of others land.  (if you don't believe me, trust Netanyahu's own words).  Bennett also a big settlement supporter.  And at the same time as Bennett goes to Moscow, Israel shot and killed a few kids in the occupied West Bank and lobbed a couple missiles at Damascus.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 07, 2022, 02:15:56 PM
It's really small potatoes, but I have observed one aspect of the Russian invasion that has worked to my (and our) benefit.

And that is? 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 07, 2022, 02:29:53 PM

NEWS
More Voices Join Congress' Calls for Biden to Give Ukraine Fighter Jets

Yes! Nothing makes a mad dictator think twice than a good bombing run.

Ukraine pilots would need months of training to fly F16s.  Makes more sense for USA to give Poland the F16s, which they want to upgrade to anyway, and then Poland in turn gives their Soviet era MiGs to Ukraine who already is trained on them.

More armed drones and Stingers
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 07, 2022, 02:31:42 PM
Well, this will strike at Putin's core and show him the folly of his ways!

Quote
"The International Judo Federation announces that Mr. Vladimir Putin and Mr. Arkady Rotenberg have been removed from all positions held in the International Judo Federation," reads the latest one-line statement.

His personal pride is taking a big hit from that action. Judo is a big deal for him,  Oreos than bare chested horseback riding and exhibition hockey games.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 07, 2022, 02:32:32 PM
Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 04:03:05 PM
It's really small potatoes, but I have observed one aspect of the Russian invasion that has worked to my (and our) benefit.

And that is?

At the risk of gowdying myself, it's been days since our last spate of spamming!

Putin's gov't did its best to shut down Russian access to the intertubes and it seems for at least some measures to have worked.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 07, 2022, 05:53:22 PM
Some folks in a lorry yanked the gates off the Russian embassy in Dublin.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/7/2084488/-Ukraine-update-Russia-accused-of-widespread-war-crimes-as-it-blocks-civilian-evacuations (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/7/2084488/-Ukraine-update-Russia-accused-of-widespread-war-crimes-as-it-blocks-civilian-evacuations)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 07, 2022, 06:06:36 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/putin-invasion-2656860958/[email protected]&utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=9969 (http://www.rawstory.com/putin-invasion-2656860958/[email protected]&utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=9969)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 07, 2022, 09:04:51 PM
Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.

Why not?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 09:43:02 PM
http://www.rawstory.com/putin-invasion-2656860958/[email protected]&utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=9969 (http://www.rawstory.com/putin-invasion-2656860958/[email protected]&utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=9969)

I would recommend not drinking what that man is drinking.

I don't believe Russia can occupy Ukraine.

But I also think there is a world of difference between Putin's "falling" (i.e. being pusched) and Moscow's falling.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 09:44:18 PM
Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.

Why not?

Because that is the path of reduced humanity and escalation of hostage taking.

Your inhumanity is noted. Stick to dogs.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 07, 2022, 10:36:07 PM
Price gouging is illegal. I hope that gets acted on.

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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 07, 2022, 11:53:04 PM
Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.

Why not?

Because that is the path of reduced humanity and escalation of hostage taking.

Your inhumanity is noted. Stick to dogs.

Reduced humanity?
Nah, just something to trade.

Movie "Bridge of Spies"

James B Donovan defends an alleged KGB spy, Rudolf Abel, in the US courts. He is eventually called upon to negotiate an exchange of Rudolf with a US pilot, Francis Powers, who was caught in the USSR.

Americans wanted Abel executed...James B Donovan convinced the judge that it would be better to keep Abel alive and use him as a bargaining chip, in case at some future time USSR captured as US spy...
...convince USSR that Abel might like Western luxuries in return for USSR secrets.
Abel was not executed and James B Donovan was vindicated.

Best idea is the grab the lover and kids and use them as chips in the poker game.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 08, 2022, 12:24:33 AM
Some folks in a lorry yanked the gates off the Russian embassy in Dublin.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/7/2084488/-Ukraine-update-Russia-accused-of-widespread-war-crimes-as-it-blocks-civilian-evacuations (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/7/2084488/-Ukraine-update-Russia-accused-of-widespread-war-crimes-as-it-blocks-civilian-evacuations)

Some people obviously think that's a good idea.
Likely there are many people who could think there should be more of it.
They might also think that it's time all Russian embassies in the West were bulldozed, all the diplomats booted out...permanently.
They might also think that Russia has finally done it this time, that there's no turning back.

The Republic of Ireland is not a NATO country...and as such people in Ireland might be frightened, thinking they could be Russia's next victim.
Watching the slaughter of people in Ukraine, that would be a totally rational fear.
If you're not a NATO country you're a sitting duck...and obviously expendable in the big bad world of international politics, same as Ukraine.

Russian Navy could bomb Ireland from the sea, west and south west, land tanks etc and take Ireland quickly.
NATO/West wouldn't do anything, scared to attack Russia, scared of starting a war.
Plenty of sea for Russian planes to attack from.
Russia marches on.
Time to arm Ireland with some missiles.

Ireland, brave people...but no nukes, no military much, sitting ducks.
Oh the folly of not getting nukes.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 08, 2022, 01:17:28 AM
Some folks in a lorry yanked the gates off the Russian embassy in Dublin.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/7/2084488/-Ukraine-update-Russia-accused-of-widespread-war-crimes-as-it-blocks-civilian-evacuations (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/7/2084488/-Ukraine-update-Russia-accused-of-widespread-war-crimes-as-it-blocks-civilian-evacuations)

The statement from the Russian embassy...LOL

They should read those words of theirs and apply them to Russia's actions in Ukraine..."senseless and barbaric actions".
All they did was pull some gates down...not like they slaughtered innocent civilians or anything.
Not like they blew up the embassy.
Lots of things have been blown up in the vicinity of Ireland in the past.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2022, 08:03:17 AM
Price gouging is illegal. I hope that gets acted on.

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Not that they aren't price gouging but I do not think tbe world wide barrel price for oil depends on where that barrel is from.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 08, 2022, 09:35:34 AM
Back of the envelope - if we were a nation where people still do things for the good of the country and larger world, each person could take a bus or light rail or bike or walk (where feasible) to go to work or shopping or visiting ONE DAY OUT OF EVERY TWO WEEKS and there would be no shortfall of domestic fuel supply. 

Or, here's a thought in the Two Birds One Stone category: promote self-powered transport as a way to be patriotic AND help win the battle against obesity.  (and, third bird, clean up the air and lower carbon spew)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 08, 2022, 09:48:01 AM
Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

But I agree, Barton.  Cut gas consumption, on an individual basis

Tough one for me, admittedly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 10:57:22 AM
Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.

Why not?

Because that is the path of reduced humanity and escalation of hostage taking.

Your inhumanity is noted. Stick to dogs.

Reduced humanity?
Nah, just something to trade.

Reduced humanity.

Exchange of prisoners of war (declared or not) is not the same as using children as pawns.

You? You probably think using children as shields against bombing is also okay.

And if not, then how your suggestion different.

Inhuman and inviting every other group opposed to what a country is doing to seize children to barter with for what they want.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 11:06:23 AM
Price gouging is illegal. I hope that gets acted on.

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/274990142_10226818331355008_920573780272925503_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=92B9_R9emhEAX83pQDp&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-KOUhGOE1CnPTPlCToZlZJgOU_5N-oAfDc_mtnydPslw&oe=622BA8CF)
Not that they aren't price gouging but I do not think tbe world wide barrel price for oil depends on where that barrel is from.

No, but despite its being the excuse, the gas price rise is not solely dependent upon the rise in barrel prices - it is very much out of proportion.

https://gasprices.aaa.com/state-gas-price-averages/

https://gasprices.aaa.com/global-tensions-push-oil-prices-higher-and-pump-prices-follow/

Pump prices usually rise preceding trouble and decline following trouble. They tend to rise more than the relative price increase would predict. And with demand being artificially controlled, it makes the market less supply/demand based than many markets.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 11:08:28 AM
Back of the envelope - if we were a nation where people still do things for the good of the country and larger world, each person could take a bus or light rail or bike or walk (where feasible) to go to work or shopping or visiting ONE DAY OUT OF EVERY TWO WEEKS and there would be no shortfall of domestic fuel supply. 

There's no shortage of domestic fuel supply. And releasing stores of gasoline from the national emergency supply won't have much of the desired impact because the change in price is not supply-based or demand-based.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 11:10:29 AM
Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

Both unrelated and bullshit.

If it weren't that the rest of us would suffer, I would love to let things play out just to hear your reaction as events and reality drown out your claims that it is not a problem requiring stronger response, not weaker.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 08, 2022, 11:18:38 AM
Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

But I agree, Barton.  Cut gas consumption, on an individual basis

Tough one for me, admittedly.

Under focus on environmental issues has fucked over the world.

Should have made the transition off the fossil fuel economy much sooner than now since that economy is destroying the environment for human habitation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 11:29:53 AM
Oh, I forgot.

One reason for the comment on the Russian oil imports is that fear of price increases in the US has been the stated reason for opposition to blocking their oil.

1%.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 08, 2022, 11:38:58 AM
Biden banning Russian oil imports.

Made some very strong points on gas prices
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on March 08, 2022, 11:55:00 AM
Oh, I forgot.

One reason for the comment on the Russian oil imports is that fear of price increases in the US has been the stated reason for opposition to blocking their oil.

1%.

Fact Check
Sources:
PBS, The Hill


The United States is the largest oil producer in the world  ahead of Saudi Arabia and Russia but it is also the biggest oil consumer, and it cannot  meet that staggering demand with domestic crude alone.

The U.S. imported 245 million barrels of oil from Russia last year (about 8 percent of all U.S. oil imports) up from 198 million barrels in 2020. That is  less than the U.S. gets from Canada or Mexico but more than it imported last year from Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. could survive cutting off Russian oil and gas imports over the Moscow invasion of Ukraine, but it would almost certainly strike a massive financial toll.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 08, 2022, 12:34:11 PM
Putin is hiding his lover and their kids in Switzerland, one report said at a luxury ski resort.

Kidnap and use as bargaining chips?

Yeah, sure.

Why not?

Because that is the path of reduced humanity and escalation of hostage taking.

Your inhumanity is noted. Stick to dogs.

Reduced humanity?
Nah, just something to trade.

Reduced humanity.

Exchange of prisoners of war (declared or not) is not the same as using children as pawns.

You? You probably think using children as shields against bombing is also okay.

And if not, then how your suggestion different.

Inhuman and inviting every other group opposed to what a country is doing to seize children to barter with for what they want.

Russia is blowing children to bits.
Russian troops are shooting unarmed fleeing refugees.
Something drastic has to be done.
I'm not saying harm the lover and kids, just kidnap them and detain them somewhere nice, good food, cable tv Disney Kids etc.
Russian evil is taking over the world, it's not the time for soft and mushy hearts.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 08, 2022, 01:13:26 PM
Oh, I forgot.

One reason for the comment on the Russian oil imports is that fear of price increases in the US has been the stated reason for opposition to blocking their oil.

1%.

Fact Check
Sources:
PBS, The Hill


The United States is the largest oil producer in the world  ahead of Saudi Arabia and Russia but it is also the biggest oil consumer, and it cannot  meet that staggering demand with domestic crude alone.

The U.S. imported 245 million barrels of oil from Russia last year (about 8 percent of all U.S. oil imports) up from 198 million barrels in 2020. That is  less than the U.S. gets from Canada or Mexico but more than it imported last year from Saudi Arabia.

The U.S. could survive cutting off Russian oil and gas imports over the Moscow invasion of Ukraine, but it would almost certainly strike a massive financial toll.

In all good conscience, the West needs to stop buying everything Russia is selling.
*
Oil price gouging?
Not impossible, price gouging on anything and everything else companies in the West can get away with seems rife these days.
Stay home, leave the gasoline in the gas station tanks, then watch the prices drop.
Petrol (gasoline) at my pumps is $2.10 a litre.
$8 a gallon...roughly.
3.78 litres in a gallon.
Another reason we can't work for $5 and $10 an hour.

ScoMo is now being blamed by the Left for rising prices of oil, goods in supermarkets etc.
Yes, like the pandemic, the massive bushfires, the floods now devastating the whole east coast of the nation, the sexual harassment of women in Parliament House over decades, Ukraine war...it's all ScoMo's fault. LOL.
Now the poor man has Covid again, and more severely this time judging by the latest photo.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 08, 2022, 02:11:26 PM
Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt


Underfocus on learning the science bit yours clean off.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 08, 2022, 02:14:23 PM
Overfocus on environmental issues has bit the US in the butt

But I agree, Barton.  Cut gas consumption, on an individual basis

Tough one for me, admittedly.

I doubted you were ever able to pass a road test. Thanks for the confirmation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 08, 2022, 02:16:47 PM
It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 08, 2022, 03:04:19 PM
It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

The United Nations was trying to squeeze the refugees from Syria into Greece, they had the people in camps while they tried to squeeze them into Greece. I told them that Greece is small, and Greece is already full of Greeks, and I told the United Nations to take the refugees from Syria to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai instead where they can have homes and where they can work as essential workers, etc. Send the Muslim refugees to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai where they are needed as essential workers.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 08, 2022, 03:12:23 PM
It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

It was a harbinger. Russia had an arm up to the elbow in the republican party and that is who held the senate as it worked turtle treason to weaken us.

If Americans, who are better people than republicans, had held enough seats, we could have seen real pushback, including at the Russian influence campaign that brought on years of republican misrule that further emboldened Putin. 

It is not to late to wrap up republicans and tories and goons of that ilk everywhere for the betterment of humanity.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 08, 2022, 03:51:25 PM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/fsb-officer-caught-lamenting-death-of-vitaly-gerasimov-in-intercepted-call?ref=home (http://www.thedailybeast.com/fsb-officer-caught-lamenting-death-of-vitaly-gerasimov-in-intercepted-call?ref=home)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 08, 2022, 06:28:39 PM
It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

It was a harbinger. Russia had an arm up to the elbow in the republican party and that is who held the senate as it worked turtle treason to weaken us.

If Americans, who are better people than republicans, had held enough seats, we could have seen real pushback, including at the Russian influence campaign that brought on years of republican misrule that further emboldened Putin. 

It is not to late to wrap up republicans and tories and goons of that ilk everywhere for the betterment of humanity.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 06:53:12 PM
Site to recommend for everybody but Bambu, Kid, and Ward:
https://www.bellingcat.com/tag/ukraine/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 08, 2022, 07:41:08 PM
It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

Yes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 08:21:26 PM
It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

Yes.

Not by your party there wasn't.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 09:13:50 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 08, 2022, 10:06:53 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/world/americas/venezuela-american-prisoner-release.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 11:15:54 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/world/americas/venezuela-american-prisoner-release.html

Yes.

While anti-American Ward is gloating over the refusal to take Biden's calls by the Saudis and UAE, the Biden team is working to deal with the issue without doing whatever the Middle Eastern folks want.

Yes, as Ward reported, the relationship is cooler. Oddly enough, Biden isn't impressed by their murderous ways.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 09, 2022, 07:53:38 AM
It's funny, I am trying to remember if there was this much concern and outrage for innocent lives while over half a million people were killed in Syria, and over six million were made refugees.

It was a harbinger. Russia had an arm up to the elbow in the republican party and that is who held the senate as it worked turtle treason to weaken us.

If Americans, who are better people than republicans, had held enough seats, we could have seen real pushback, including at the Russian influence campaign that brought on years of republican misrule that further emboldened Putin. 

It is not to late to wrap up republicans and tories and goons of that ilk everywhere for the betterment of humanity.
Lot of people thought what happened in Syria had to do with the fight against Isis. Good riddance to violent, xenophobic, primitive, trash.  Putin must have thought after he was some kind of invincible war leader.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 09, 2022, 09:40:57 AM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/russia-warns-of-catastrophic-impacts-if-west-banned-oil-imports

This is at the same time that the deal over the Iran Nuclear situation is close to signing, but with Russia threatening to try to block it, too.

What Russia seems to not understand is that their threats about European oil makes it worth Iran's while to ditch them for new dance partners - they could pretty readily make up that 40% shortfall that Russia's cutting Europe off would bring.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 09, 2022, 09:45:03 AM
https://thehill.com/policy/international/597482-ukraine-says-russian-forces-disconnected-chernobyl-plant-from-power-grid

Apparently Russian command is not composed of the risk-averse.  And clearly dominated by idiots. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 09, 2022, 11:30:32 AM
BTW, anyone know why some news outlets are putting Russian oil imports, as a percentage of total US consumption, at 3% (Forbes, et al) and some at 8% (WSJ, et al)?

I sense there are two different metrics being used here. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 09, 2022, 12:28:51 PM
Quote
"We're preparing for a new Russian offensive. We've ordered 50 extra busses for POWs."

Mykolaiv Oblast Governor Vitaliy Kim is fast earning a reputation for astonishing panache under pressure.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 09, 2022, 12:43:28 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/8/2084548/--The-Z-sign-is-the-symbol-for-people-who-cannot-even-draw-a-swastika-properly (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/8/2084548/--The-Z-sign-is-the-symbol-for-people-who-cannot-even-draw-a-swastika-properly)

There is a nice breakdown on the Russian economy as it relates to Mexican avocados in this piece. Well worth the read.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 09, 2022, 03:03:13 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/09/europe/russia-conscripts-fighting-ukraine-intl/index.html

Putin's denying that the conscripts were part of the invasion force was stupid.

Quote
A day earlier, in an International Women's Day address, Putin had reassured soldiers' mothers and wives that Russian conscripts are not taking part in his invasion of Ukraine, which he has referred to as a "special military operation."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 09, 2022, 03:14:16 PM
BTW, anyone know why some news outlets are putting Russian oil imports, as a percentage of total US consumption, at 3% (Forbes, et al) and some at 8% (WSJ, et al)?

I sense there are two different metrics being used here.

A shock I imagine, but I was actually not being rhetorical. Kind of baffling.  And somebody even posted a 1% figure. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 09, 2022, 03:19:14 PM
BTW, anyone know why some news outlets are putting Russian oil imports, as a percentage of total US consumption, at 3% (Forbes, et al) and some at 8% (WSJ, et al)?

I sense there are two different metrics being used here.

A shock I imagine, but I was actually not being rhetorical. Kind of baffling.  And somebody even posted a 1% figure.

"The US imported about 672,000 barrels per day of crude oil and petroleum products from Russia in 2021, according to data from the Energy Dept." (per NYP)

Let's take that number at face value. We can figure out the percentage from there.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 09, 2022, 03:23:20 PM
BTW, anyone know why some news outlets are putting Russian oil imports, as a percentage of total US consumption, at 3% (Forbes, et al) and some at 8% (WSJ, et al)?

I sense there are two different metrics being used here.

A shock I imagine, but I was actually not being rhetorical. Kind of baffling.  And somebody even posted a 1% figure.

"The US imported about 672,000 barrels per day of crude oil and petroleum products from Russia in 2021, according to data from the Energy Dept." (per NYP)

Let's take that number at face value. We can figure out the percentage from there.

But part of the problem is what the percent is of.

From WSJ:
"About 8% of U.S. imports of oil and refined products, or about 672,000 barrels a day, came from Russia last year, said Andy Lipow, president of Lipow Oil Associates LLC in Houston, citing figures from the Energy Information Administration. Of that, Russia's crude made up roughly 3% of the nation's imports, about 200,000 barrels a day. "

It's no wonder we're confused.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 09, 2022, 04:08:28 PM
http://www.salon.com/2022/03/09/the-doj-is-aggressively-prosecuting-capitol-insurrectionists--and-dismantling-lies-about-jan-6/ (http://www.salon.com/2022/03/09/the-doj-is-aggressively-prosecuting-capitol-insurrectionists--and-dismantling-lies-about-jan-6/)

Accelerate the legal war on the Russian fifth column.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 09, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
Kiwanis International

1 hour

Kiwanis is serious about youth protection. That is why we have created a toll-free, confidential helpline that can be used 24 hours a day by Kiwanis family members and the youth we serve. To access the U.S. helpline, call 866-607-SAFE (7233).

Learn more: https://bit.ly/31Y51Rn

---

The refugees need to have the telephone number for Kiwanis if they need help.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on March 09, 2022, 11:08:02 PM


It's no wonder we're confused.
Speak for yourself
The rest of us can understand English
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 09, 2022, 11:15:27 PM
From Russia with Death....

Youch. And not a point many are making when they talk about Kremlin assets.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 09, 2022, 11:44:00 PM


It's no wonder we're confused.
Speak for yourself
The rest of us can understand English

I would look forward to your explanation of the apparently contradictory sentences, but I know you can't do it, you can only posture.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 12:02:05 AM
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraines-punisher-drones-hit-russian-troops-multiple-times-reports-2022-3
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 12:05:59 AM
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/2022/02/27/follow-the-russia-ukraine-monitor-map/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on March 10, 2022, 12:23:43 AM


It's no wonder we're confused.
Speak for yourself
The rest of us can understand English

I would look forward to your explanation of the apparently contradictory sentences, but I know you can't do it, you can only posture.
the USA imports 8 per cent of its oil from Russia of which 3 per cent is crude.
You can look it up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 10, 2022, 12:30:49 AM
We can decarbonize 8% in a year and not miss it.

Build Back Better, for the war effort and also for world peace.

Keep marching.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 10, 2022, 09:39:44 AM
https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-check-russia-lies-ukraine-war/31745164.html

Funny in a dark kind of way.   
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 10, 2022, 10:50:03 AM
Russian propaganda


https://twitter.com/abboudmf/status/1501923312146042885?s=12
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 10, 2022, 03:48:07 PM
Fix the breach
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 10, 2022, 04:58:07 PM

Harris: 'The US is prepared to defend every inch of NATO territory'

 
Vice President Kamala Harris sought to reinforce cooperative ties between the United States and Poland as she met with the country
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 10, 2022, 04:59:24 PM
Send them the planes!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 05:04:26 PM
From Russia with Death....

Youch. And not a point many are making when they talk about Kremlin assets.

In almost every image of Ukraine on TV I see the same onion-domed churches like the one outside the Kremlin.  I doubt anyone would call this a "Just War".  The Silence and complicity of the Russian Orthodox Church is sacrilegious.

It's ordered.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 05:05:25 PM
Send them the planes!

Which planes?

And why send them instead of just flying them?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 10, 2022, 05:16:08 PM
Send them the planes!

Send them drones and SAMs
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 10, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
From Russia with Death....

Youch. And not a point many are making when they talk about Kremlin assets.

In almost every image of Ukraine on TV I see the same onion-domed churches like the one outside the Kremlin.  I doubt anyone would call this a "Just War".  The Silence and complicity of the Russian Orthodox Church is sacrilegious.


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russian-orthodox-patriarch-kirill-has-all-but-blessed-putins-attack-on-ukraine-inviting-church-fissure-01646782103
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 10, 2022, 05:19:12 PM
Send them the planes!

Which planes?

And why send them instead of just flying them?

Because if US pilots shoot down Russian planes...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 10, 2022, 06:08:27 PM
Poland has generously offered mig Jets to be sent to the Ukraine through a US base in Germany the Biden adm, has declined based on fear of Putin. Planes would robably turn the balance of power and protect civilians. Putin has no place in the 21st century.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 10, 2022, 06:20:37 PM
Biden 'personally killed Polish jet deal' despite Republican AND Democrats ramping up calls to give Ukraine combat planes to make Putin 'fearful of what WE might do'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10599749/Biden-personally-killed-Polish-jet-deal-despite-calls-Republican-Democrats.html

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 06:47:40 PM
Send them the planes!

Which planes?

And why send them instead of just flying them?

Because if US pilots shoot down Russian planes...

Sorry, the pretense that it is not US shooting is thin, at best.

And it would be Polish planes and pilots - no point in sending US planes without US pilots as the Ukrainian pilots can't fly'em.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 06:50:46 PM
Putin's pretense that the hospital was being used by military folks is just that. They have no evidence and for good reason.

So... what would be "too far," given the bombing of so-called evac routs and the attack on the hospital? At what point does the US (or NATO) say, "that's it, time to fight?"

And will China join in with Putin and truly make this a World War?!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 10, 2022, 07:17:51 PM
I had a roommate in Malibu who was the daughter of a general in China, and I am going to trust what she told me about peace with China, we need wise, peaceful old men in control of the armies.

Right now Marlon Brando would call together the heads of the families, and he would say that we are all having a problem with this guy, will anyone complain if we remove this guy?

In real life we have the United Nations, and unfortunately we have Russia as one of the 5 permanent members of the Security Council which was set up after World War 2 and we have China, Russia, England, France, and the United States on our Security Council. If China allows us to remove Putin, then that is what we need to do. And we can tell China that we respect them enough to discuss the whole situation with them about Putin and we hope that China will agree that Putin must be removed because Putin is causing too many problems in the world. We can remove Putin, and the rest of the world can do trade and live in peace, hopefully China will agree with that.

I wish I could have margaritas with my old roommate and I wish we could talk about how China feels on the issue of removing Putin.

One thing for sure, we need for old wise people to help, including Silvio Berlusconi, Juan Carlos, and Lech Walesa.

We know how England and France feel about Putin, and we have the French Foreign Legion. There is also a new Foreign Legion for Ukraine.

Time to remove Putin and to stop the damage that he is doing.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 10, 2022, 07:50:13 PM
These are Migs the Ukraine pilots are trained on Migs.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 10, 2022, 08:56:56 PM
Biden 'personally killed Polish jet deal' despite Republican AND Democrats ramping up calls to give Ukraine combat planes to make Putin 'fearful of what WE might do'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10599749/Biden-personally-killed-Polish-jet-deal-despite-calls-Republican-Democrats.html

Every one is a military genius.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 11, 2022, 12:18:23 AM
These are Migs the Ukraine pilots are trained on Migs.

And for every Polish Mig, the US would (under the plan) provide a back-up jet so Poland was still covered.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 11, 2022, 12:19:05 AM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275328204_10228123598460927_6268129361781622127_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=X4TWK4Fvgg0AX_l_7EL&tn=aQaxeqK0Pwd0simd&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8axF2Fm0k9InMnQMw_xoTzqNim3zfu57ctJRokxi5fCg&oe=622ED86A)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 11, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
While our news is all about what is happening in Ukraine, of at least as much interest is what's started happening in Russia today.

Various FSB heads have been placed under house arrest or actual arrest, and the 5th Directorate of the FSB (in charge of foreign intelligence of the FSB, incl. in Ukraine) was raided by both Putin's own security service and by the 9th Directorate of the FSB (Internal Security for the FSB).
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 11, 2022, 01:57:37 PM
Some people are trying to bring back the Knights Templar, who knows if a group like that could stop guys like Putin?

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 11, 2022, 03:12:31 PM
Jon Snow could get it done.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 11, 2022, 08:20:25 PM
With no jet planes no chance for the Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 11, 2022, 11:51:28 PM
With no jet planes no chance for the Ukraine.

Drones and SAMs!


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44673/ukraine-needs-ground-based-air-defenses-way-more-than-migs-here-are-the-best-options
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 12, 2022, 12:37:06 AM
Oy...


https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-official-said-to-claim-bennett-pushed-zelensky-to-surrender-to-putin-deal/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 01:36:30 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/kyiv-psychologist-suggests-angry-ukrainians-213703547.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 01:38:35 AM
Oy...


https://www.timesofisrael.com/ukraine-official-said-to-claim-bennett-pushed-zelensky-to-surrender-to-putin-deal/

If Putin told Bennet that his plan is to turn Ukraine into a flat surface, devoid of life or building, I can imagine Bennet's giving that advice.

I still wouldn't heed it because surrendering does not mean Putin would not carry it out, anyway - nor does Zelensky's surrender seem likely to get others to as well.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 12, 2022, 03:20:07 AM
Opinion
WWIII has already started in Ukraine. Europe and the U.S. should wake up. | Trudy Rubin

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/russia-ukraine-civilian-death-toll-world-war-biden-20220303.html

Please don't hit me I have nuclear weapons.

 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 12, 2022, 11:36:17 AM
Well, the key is to not have innocent Russians and Americans pay a price.

Tough sledding for Biden.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 12, 2022, 12:07:55 PM
Big difference from 1939 is most nations are united against Russia. But Ukraine is being destroyed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 12, 2022, 12:46:31 PM
How soon before Tucker Carlson negotiates a peaceful settlement?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 12, 2022, 02:19:20 PM
With no jet planes no chance for the Ukraine.

Drones and SAMs!


https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/44673/ukraine-needs-ground-based-air-defenses-way-more-than-migs-here-are-the-best-options

And a few dozen Reapers armed with all the Hellfires they can eat.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 12, 2022, 02:21:28 PM
How soon before Tucker Carlson negotiates a peaceful settlement?

About two and a half seconds after he is chucked of the roof of the midtown high rise that hosts his propaganda farm.

It could be the splat heard round the world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 02:22:28 PM
Opinion
WWIII has already started in Ukraine. Europe and the U.S. should wake up. | Trudy Rubin

https://www.inquirer.com/opinion/russia-ukraine-civilian-death-toll-world-war-biden-20220303.html

Please don't hit me I have nuclear weapons.

Opinion:
WWIII has not already started and so long as no other country joins Russia in attacking others it will not be WWIII. That doesn't mean that Russia might not spread its attacks to other countries, only that if there is a single country instigating conflict that it does not equate to a world war.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 12, 2022, 05:03:54 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/12/2085505/-Ukraine-update-Russia-s-cyberwar-is-being-fought-against-Russians (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/12/2085505/-Ukraine-update-Russia-s-cyberwar-is-being-fought-against-Russians)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 09:39:02 PM
Quote
"I am the very model of a Russian Major-General
I've been shot by snipers, Javelins, and rockets fired aerial
I lose the tanks of Moscow, as farmers laugh hysterical
From Donetsk to Odessa, we are fighting terrible"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 10:59:53 PM
https://twitter.com/i/events/1502593230403158018

"Do not invade. We have already lost this war."
- from a Russian pilot

This will not stop Russia's efforts, of course. Russia never meant to keep Ukraine intact and still doesn't. He just planned on less loss of Russian life and far less video of the difficulties.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 11:02:16 PM
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282812915_Antisocial_Personality_Disorder_and_Pathological_Narcissism_in_Prolonged_Conflicts_and_Wars_of_the_21st_Century

From 2015.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 11:07:15 PM
Quote
During the Holocaust a Ukrainian woman, Maria Blishchik, hid a young Jewish girl in her home, ensuring the survival of Fanya Bass. Last week, Fanya Bass' granddaughter, Sharon Bass, helped two young women escape war torn Ukraine. Their names are Lasia Orshoko and Alona Chugai who are Maria Blischick's granddaughters! No doubt Fanya, who has unfortunately since passed, was proud to repay a debt of almost 80 years. Lasia and Alona arrived at Ben Gurion Airport with Sharon right there to greet them. Sharon embraced the women bringing this incredible story full circle.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 12, 2022, 11:55:27 PM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275385226_10158722581482901_8300950657387542058_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=9EEuacb97HwAX_54U-s&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8zJ7sZAwSFp5YH-2AKAaHg9V7v7AMvLRwKOyCGplxlwQ&oe=6231A51F)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 13, 2022, 12:18:18 AM
No troops, no planes, no drones, some springfields, and a stoppage of buying Russian oil and no big macs. Putin is not scared. How about a drone attack on the Kremlin? End this mess in a hurry and save lives. Biden is such a sissy boy!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 13, 2022, 12:23:47 AM
Are you posting from Ukrainian front lines or just projecting, Luee?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 13, 2022, 12:24:15 AM
http://www.lawfareblog.com/supplying-arms-ukraine-not-act-war (http://www.lawfareblog.com/supplying-arms-ukraine-not-act-war)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 13, 2022, 12:58:07 AM
No troops, no planes, no drones, some springfields, and a stoppage of buying Russian oil and no big macs. Putin is not scared. How about a drone attack on the Kremlin? End this mess in a hurry and save lives. Biden is such a sissy boy!

As I have pointed out before, we do not want a world in which taking out the head of the other countries is considered standard and appropriate.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 13, 2022, 12:59:44 AM
http://www.lawfareblog.com/supplying-arms-ukraine-not-act-war (http://www.lawfareblog.com/supplying-arms-ukraine-not-act-war)

Doesn't matter what the (totally rational) Law Fare Blog says - if Putin wants to pretend that is casus belli, who is there to stop him? Same as the made up "atrocities" caused by Zelensky, etc.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 13, 2022, 11:13:06 AM
Quote
"I am the very model of a Russian Major-General
I've been shot by snipers, Javelins, and rockets fired aerial
I lose the tanks of Moscow, as farmers laugh hysterical
From Donetsk to Odessa, we are fighting terrible"

I'm very well acquainted, too, with matters that are tactical,
Not that Moscow pays attention to facts that are more factual ,
About our massive losses I am teeming with a lot o' news
With many ugly stats on how our troops all got abuse...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2022, 12:42:58 PM
How soon before Tucker Carlson negotiates a peaceful settlement?

Is this his job?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 13, 2022, 12:49:34 PM
http://www.lawfareblog.com/supplying-arms-ukraine-not-act-war (http://www.lawfareblog.com/supplying-arms-ukraine-not-act-war)

Doesn't matter what the (totally rational) Law Fare Blog says - if Putin wants to pretend that is casus belli, who is there to stop him? Same as the made up "atrocities" caused by Zelensky, etc.

Let it be known that when the first piece of shrapnel bounces across the Polish or Romanian border, that NATO will immediately kinetically disarm all of Russia west of Kazan. Then we should remind him that we can do this because our military has been ripping us of and not the other way around, as it is done in Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 13, 2022, 12:51:58 PM
No troops, no planes, no drones, some springfields, and a stoppage of buying Russian oil and no big macs. Putin is not scared. How about a drone attack on the Kremlin? End this mess in a hurry and save lives. Biden is such a sissy boy!

Go back to sleep, Rip
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 13, 2022, 01:12:04 PM
http://www.salon.com/2022/03/13/geopolitics-and-the-ukraine-conflict-a-tale-of-putin-xi-jinping--and-hitler_partner/ (http://www.salon.com/2022/03/13/geopolitics-and-the-ukraine-conflict-a-tale-of-putin-xi-jinping--and-hitler_partner/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 13, 2022, 03:19:04 PM
Quote
In 2011, three American researchers revealed an eye-opening finding derived from data on the US bombing campaign during the Vietnam War.

Their discovery: the more bombs that were dropped on South Vietnamese hamlets in 1969, the likelier the Viet Cong insurgents were to end up controlling the territory afterward. As Cornell University professor Thomas Pepinsky noted then, "Killing civilians is unjust, but our research shows that it is also bad strategy."

Two years later, historian Richard Overy concluded that the targeting of European cities in World War II was also a military failure -- "strategic bombing proved in the end to be inadequate in its own terms for carrying out its principal assignments and was morally compromised by deliberate escalation against civilian populations."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2022, 03:56:15 PM
Dude in charge of Russian army not only doesnt know this.  He also doesnt care - sadistically just wants to kill Ukrainians.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 13, 2022, 04:03:27 PM
They have to show they are doing something to stay out of the basement. Bombing the shit out of cities is the only thing in their bag that looks like it works at all. This means they will keep it up as long as they can or until they think of something else regardless of the strategic impact in the conflict. These are men trying to seem worth keeping alive to a notorious and increasingly frustrated murderer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 13, 2022, 04:51:00 PM
They have to show they are doing something to stay out of the basement. Bombing the shit out of cities is the only thing in their bag that looks like it works at all. This means they will keep it up as long as they can or until they think of something else regardless of the strategic impact in the conflict. These are men trying to seem worth keeping alive to a notorious and increasingly frustrated murderer.

The monster is just being smart and savvy.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 13, 2022, 04:51:32 PM
Dude in charge of Russian army not only doesnt know this.  He also doesnt care - sadistically just wants to kill Ukrainians.


https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-reagan-roll-over-grave-russia-putin-2016-12
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 13, 2022, 04:54:35 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/13/2085668/-Former-NSA-Contractor-Claims-Intel-Community-Internal-Com-Apps-A-Dumpster-Fire-Of-Hate-Speech (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/13/2085668/-Former-NSA-Contractor-Claims-Intel-Community-Internal-Com-Apps-A-Dumpster-Fire-Of-Hate-Speech)

A fifth column that needs to be urgently wrapped up.

Right wing nut jobs are agents acting under Russian control. Tuckers international audience proves this.

Hit Putin where it hurts, in Western Defense and Security establishments.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 13, 2022, 08:19:26 PM
That is what this is about. One evil madman has taken control. Stop him and the war threat is over. Just the same as WW11. Has anyone learned anything? Putin has obviously read history books. Hitler dies in 1933 mankind is spared. Taking out this head of state is appropriate and well earned. Kaiser Bill yes. A law forbiding the killing of bloodthirsty autocrats?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 13, 2022, 09:24:26 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/jake-sullivan-meeting-chinese-counterpart-ukraine/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/13/politics/jake-sullivan-meeting-chinese-counterpart-ukraine/index.html)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 13, 2022, 09:36:21 PM
That is what this is about. One evil madman has taken control. Stop him and the war threat is over. Just the same as WW11. Has anyone learned anything? Putin has obviously read history books. Hitler dies in 1933 mankind is spared. Taking out this head of state is appropriate and well earned. Kaiser Bill yes. A law forbiding the killing of bloodthirsty autocrats?

Mussolini and Hirohito raise their eyebrows at you.

So do Himmler and Goering and a host of others in the German High Command.

Kill Hitler and maybe you reduce some deaths, but there is a reasonable chance that sans Hitler Germany doesn't waste its time and energy on Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 13, 2022, 10:28:53 PM
Ukraine should've surrendered the second Russian military crossed the border.
But then the Russian rape hordes would've struck.
Tough living in Ukraine, Russia f's you over one way or the other.
Ukraine should never have trusted anyone and should never have given up its nukes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 13, 2022, 11:18:46 PM
Ukraine should've surrendered the second Russian military crossed the border.
But then the Russian rape hordes would've struck.
Tough living in Ukraine, Russia f's you over one way or the other.
Ukraine should never have trusted anyone and should never have given up its nukes.

If they have medals to cowards, you'd be first on line.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 14, 2022, 12:32:32 AM
Ukraine should've surrendered the second Russian military crossed the border.
But then the Russian rape hordes would've struck.
Tough living in Ukraine, Russia f's you over one way or the other.
Ukraine should never have trusted anyone and should never have given up its nukes.

Your second sentence is why your first sentence is bullshit.

And your last sentence assumes they had the codes to launch the nukes, which they did not.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 14, 2022, 05:32:41 PM
https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3838

On Putin, NATO, and US responses
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 14, 2022, 07:13:21 PM
Ukraine should've surrendered the second Russian military crossed the border.
But then the Russian rape hordes would've struck.
Tough living in Ukraine, Russia f's you over one way or the other.
Ukraine should never have trusted anyone and should never have given up its nukes.

If they have medals to cowards, you'd be first on line.

mmm, live *coward* who lives to fight another day...or dead hero, gone forever, no use to anyone, including his family or future resistance. [refer France WW2.]

Unarmed civilians V Russian tanks, bombs/missiles...civilians are losing.
Poorly armed Ukrainian troops v Russian [Russia asked China for military aid] tanks, bombs/missiles...Ukrainian troops are losing, Putin is just turning the whole country into rubble one building, one town, one city at a time.

Dead heroes everywhere, as the whole country is obliterated.

Oleksandr and his brother Dmytro are loading their parents, wives and children onto a bus to Poland. This family has already been through hell.
They all come from Kharkiv, a city under siege after weeks of bombardment by Russian air strikes.

"The whole district is razed to the ground. Whole apartment complexes [are destroyed]. It's impossible to explain,"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 14, 2022, 07:32:18 PM
Bambu, you need to be strong. like the Knights Templar, and like Cosa Nostra. Australia needs to be strong like Long Island, and like Anaheim, and like New York City, and like Hollywood.

Do not be afraid, but instead let us work together to remove Putin. Now. A stitch in time saves 9. It will only get worse.

The world needs heroes to remove Putin, NOW.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 14, 2022, 09:26:49 PM
Without crazy, evil, Hitler there is no WW11. Without crazy, evil, Putin there is no invasion.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 14, 2022, 10:38:34 PM
Without crazy, evil, Hitler there is no WW11. Without crazy, evil, Putin there is no invasion.

I already responded to the first half of this.

Hirohito did not require Hitler.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 15, 2022, 03:43:38 AM
Bambu, you need to be strong. like the Knights Templar, and like Cosa Nostra. Australia needs to be strong like Long Island, and like Anaheim, and like New York City, and like Hollywood.

Do not be afraid, but instead let us work together to remove Putin. Now. A stitch in time saves 9. It will only get worse.

The world needs heroes to remove Putin, NOW.

Salute,

Tony V.

Indeed.
Russians prepared to die to make it happen.

Australia needs to stop buying "made in China"...everything from food to cars....get nuclear weapons and tell the people in China they'll all be dead if they attack.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 15, 2022, 10:07:03 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/anti-war-protester-interrupts-main-russian-news-show-2022-03-14/

Russian heroes. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 15, 2022, 01:05:12 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/europe/patriarch-kirill-putin-spiritual-battle-intl-cmd/index.html

Tony, apparently this war is being encouraged by the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, who sees this as somewhat of a holy war to reunite his church and his people.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 15, 2022, 03:19:01 PM
Cornelius Vanderbilt was quite a guy, there was an American who went to Central America and he declared himself President of a country down there and started doing bad things, so Vanderbilt put together a private army and he went down to Central America and he removed the bad buy.

We need a guy like Vanderbilt right now to go remove Putin.

Instead of sitting here watching Putin bomb children's hospitals, someone needs to take the fight to Moscow and kill Putin.

And Bambu, we need to have China for our partner, we need to be allies with China. We need to have peace and trade with China.

And Josh, the whole situation is complicated, but on the issue of the Churches, Pope Francis is a great man of peace, and the President of Ukraine is Jewish. And Pope Francis has allies in Russia, with whom he is pleading for help to make peace.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 15, 2022, 03:48:31 PM
Right now would be a good time to send Vice President Kamala Harris to China, to make sure that everything is cool as we remove Putin. We need for China to be on the side of human decency. We need to send Kamala to make sure that we can have peace and trade with China as Putin is removed.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 15, 2022, 04:01:09 PM
We need for China to be on the side of human decency.

What on EARTH would lead you to think that China is on the side of human decency?!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 15, 2022, 06:46:16 PM
Bambu, you need to be strong. like the Knights Templar, and like Cosa Nostra. Australia needs to be strong like Long Island, and like Anaheim, and like New York City, and like Hollywood.

Do not be afraid, but instead let us work together to remove Putin. Now. A stitch in time saves 9. It will only get worse.

The world needs heroes to remove Putin, NOW.

Salute,

Tony V.

Indeed.
Russians prepared to die to make it happen.

Australia needs to stop buying "made in China"...everything from food to cars....get nuclear weapons and tell the people in China they'll all be dead if they attack.

I do not think coal powered missiles can cross that much ocean. I do not think China thinks so either.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 15, 2022, 06:56:53 PM
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802371924184924192/953426052175245392/unknown.png)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 15, 2022, 09:08:41 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/europe/patriarch-kirill-putin-spiritual-battle-intl-cmd/index.html

Tony, apparently this war is being encouraged by the Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, who sees this as somewhat of a holy war to reunite his church and his people.

Well there you go, Putin has Christian Russia right behind him.
A disgrace.
Every man in Ukraine, along with anyone else who couldn't escape, is doomed to die.
Population of Ukraine was 44 million.
3 million have fled.
Basic maths...
44 minus 3 leaves 41.
41 million people...1 1/2 times the population of Australia are about to be exterminated by Russia's bombs and missiles...unless they can escape.

Surely the "on the path to pure evil" West is not going to stand idly by and watch 41 million innocent people get slaughtered.
That's what it looks like it's going to do.

Time to tell Putin he can have Ukraine...IF, and only IF, he lets the 41 million people escape.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 15, 2022, 09:29:35 PM
Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 15, 2022, 10:49:37 PM
http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/14/another-report-from-an-unidentified-russian-operative/ (http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/14/another-report-from-an-unidentified-russian-operative/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 15, 2022, 11:46:45 PM
Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

The number of ways that this is not "the path of Hitler" is greater than the ways in which it is.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 15, 2022, 11:58:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MSwfHsybk

Ukraine's national anthem, from voices around the globe.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 16, 2022, 04:06:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MSwfHsybk

Ukraine's national anthem, from voices around the globe.

Lovely...but in reality if they don't escape or get a massive air force from somewhere all their bodies will be laying down...dead.
Machine guns v  war planes that rule the skies without contest...my money is on the war planes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 16, 2022, 09:52:58 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/15/europe/ukraine-russian-prisoners-of-war-intl/index.html

Seems Russian soldiers are not so enthusiastic about their mission. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 16, 2022, 11:05:03 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7MSwfHsybk

Ukraine's national anthem, from voices around the globe.

Lovely...but in reality if they don't escape or get a massive air force from somewhere all their bodies will be laying down...dead.
Machine guns v  war planes that rule the skies without contest...my money is on the war planes.
Javelin missiles on the other hand do a real good job and only take one person and very little training.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 16, 2022, 12:10:53 PM
Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

The number of ways that this is not "the path of Hitler" is greater than the ways in which it is.

Main difference is up to now no concentration camps. Invasion of a soverign nation, check. Indiscriminate bombing, check. Shelling civilian targets, check. Diplomatic efforts useless, check. An unhinged autocratic leader, check. Homeless moving around, check.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 16, 2022, 12:55:48 PM
Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

The number of ways that this is not "the path of Hitler" is greater than the ways in which it is.

Main difference is up to now no concentration camps. Invasion of a soverign nation, check. Indiscriminate bombing, check. Shelling civilian targets, check. Diplomatic efforts useless, check. An unhinged autocratic leader, check. Homeless moving around, check.

No, while the concentration camp difference is stark, there is no specific targeted population  - not the Jews, not the Romani, not the gays...

The invasion of Poland was done in collaboration with Russia and they agreed to split it.

From the US Holocaust Museum:
Quote
Britain and France, standing by their guarantee of Poland's border, declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939. After the defeat of Polish forces, German authorities began enforcing their racial policies in the occupied territories. They required Jews to identify themselves by wearing white armbands with a blue Star of David and conscripted them for forced-labor. They expelled hundreds of thousands of Poles from their homes and settled more than 500,000 ethnic Germans in their place.

There was no guarantee of Ukraine's borders and therefore no declaration of war against Russia. We're seeing no conscription of Jews or other Ukrainian people for forced labor. And there is no move, at this juncture, to settle ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

But Luee, the biggest difference lies in the 6 years prior to the invasion.

The second biggest difference is in the efficiency of the Russian army.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 16, 2022, 02:11:54 PM
I would say those conditions are TBD until the Russians hold ground and stay. Hopefully those conditions are never met and no one gets to find out who is the more brutal occupier of Ukraine.

We are now sending kamikaze drones, flying guided one shots that provide surveillance until they are detonated. The whole unit is cheaper than a single hellfire missile and they do just fine on tanks and missile batteries. Any Ukrainian with PlayStation experience can now deliver body blows with accuracy from kilometers away.

This is prior to the war during the build up. Worth the watch

http://youtu.be/deFB3UCJCcE (http://youtu.be/deFB3UCJCcE)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2022, 02:44:05 PM
I am an expert at showing love and compassion for the poor and the needy, and I am good at saving world economies, and at helping people, I am not an expert at punishing people, and there is no fun for me in punishing people.

So, from that perspective, then we need to appeal to the good people in Russia, who are our allies in Russia, to remove Putin and to take control of Russia, and then we can reward the good people with trade, and new businesses, and jobs, and doctors, etc.

We need for the good people in Russia to quickly take control of Russia. The same way that the Italians eventually killed Mussolini themselves. The Italians never really supported Mussolini, and the Nazis were the main source of evil.

Pope Francis has allies in Russia, maybe we can all support the allies of Pope Francis to take control of Russia and rebuild Russia.

I will have many ideas when it comes to rebuilding Russia, and to bring blessings to good people who are worthy of being blessed.

And basically, it is the same thing that we have been doing in Colombia, we helped them to remove the bad guys, and we support the good peole, and we buy coffee from Colombia, and we support education in Colombia, etc, and the President of Colombia attended Harvard, etc. We can offer those same blessings to Russia if we find allies in Russia who we can support.

Life cannot be just about punishment, there needs to be some nice rewards, and we need for the good people of Russia to choose the rewards like the people of Colombia have. Colombia is being rewarded because they are a good nation with good leaders.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: possible ray of light?
Post by: Holly Martins on March 16, 2022, 03:21:05 PM
Russia and Ukraine hope for breakthrough in peace talks

KYIV/LVIV, Ukraine, March 16 (Reuters) - New talk of compromise from both Moscow and Kyiv on a status for Ukraine outside of NATO lifted hope on Wednesday for a potential breakthrough after three weeks of war.

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said negotiations were becoming (more realistic), while Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said there was (some hope for compromise).

The Kremlin said the sides were discussing status for Ukraine similar to that of Austria or Sweden, both members of the European Union that are outside the NATO military alliance. Ukraine chief negotiator said it would give Kyiv binding international security guarantees to prevent future attacks.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2022, 03:21:53 PM
Pope Francis is expanding his radio station in Russia to speak to the people of Russia, the Pope has allies in Russia.

And the Colombians had a lot of hard times, they had to remove Pablo Escobar, and they had to remove a lot of other people, but now they are doing great, and they have had a string of great leaders, Colombia is doing great right now because the people chose the rewards of peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2022, 03:40:06 PM
We need to give money and weapons and support to our allies in Russia, once we find out who they are.

The Pope is on the radio talking to the Russians now, we will see who rises up against Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 16, 2022, 03:46:24 PM
Most of the so-called "good people of Russia" seem not to care less about Russia's invasion of Ukraine...and many seem to enthusiastically support it.
That Church leader for one.
Time to get serious about punishing Russia and Russian people in Russia.
If people in Russia are forced to eat grass to survive, and jump up and down for heating, they might just get angry enough to kill Putin and everyone in the Kremlin.
Or kidnap generals and thereby control the military.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 16, 2022, 03:47:32 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/16/2086298/--We-cannot-be-dfeated-per-Zelenskyy-electricity-now-flows-freely-from-Lisbon-to-Mariupol (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/16/2086298/--We-cannot-be-dfeated-per-Zelenskyy-electricity-now-flows-freely-from-Lisbon-to-Mariupol)

Leverage.

Russia has to wonder now if they ever switch back. I do not see why the Ukrainians would want to even if the Russians packed their bags and went home today.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 16, 2022, 03:50:32 PM
Most of the so-called "good people of Russia" seem not to care less about Russia's invasion of Ukraine...and many seem to enthusiastically support it.
That Church leader for one.
Time to get serious about punishing Russia and Russian people in Russia.
If people in Russia are forced to eat grass to survive, and jump up and down for heating, they might just get angry enough to kill Putin and everyone in the Kremlin.
Or kidnap generals and thereby control the military.

Busting through the information silo is a prerequisite for their being any domestic checks on Russian  policy. Busting through authoritarian information silos is the core life blood of freedom in the world.

Ruination on Rupert Murdoch and all of his vile works!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 16, 2022, 04:01:18 PM
http://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg45q/ukraine-russia-bombed-theater-hundreds-sheltering (http://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg45q/ukraine-russia-bombed-theater-hundreds-sheltering)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2022, 04:02:42 PM
As Russians see the suffering that Putin is imposing on the world then we need for the good humanitarians to rise to the top and remove Putin and take over Russia. Pope Francis is on the radio right now sending his message to the people of Russia. And the idea of a modern Knights Templar might not be so crazy.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 16, 2022, 05:05:33 PM
Putin is following the path of Hitler. Diplomacy does not work, too late. A drone upon the head works every time. We don't execute heads of state?

The number of ways that this is not "the path of Hitler" is greater than the ways in which it is.

Main difference is up to now no concentration camps. Invasion of a soverign nation, check. Indiscriminate bombing, check. Shelling civilian targets, check. Diplomatic efforts useless, check. An unhinged autocratic leader, check. Homeless moving around, check.

No, while the concentration camp difference is stark, there is no specific targeted population  - not the Jews, not the Romani, not the gays...

The invasion of Poland was done in collaboration with Russia and they agreed to split it.

From the US Holocaust Museum:
Quote
Britain and France, standing by their guarantee of Poland's border, declared war on Germany on September 3, 1939. After the defeat of Polish forces, German authorities began enforcing their racial policies in the occupied territories. They required Jews to identify themselves by wearing white armbands with a blue Star of David and conscripted them for forced-labor. They expelled hundreds of thousands of Poles from their homes and settled more than 500,000 ethnic Germans in their place.

There was no guarantee of Ukraine's borders and therefore no declaration of war against Russia. We're seeing no conscription of Jews or other Ukrainian people for forced labor. And there is no move, at this juncture, to settle ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

But Luee, the biggest difference lies in the 6 years prior to the invasion.

The second biggest difference is in the efficiency of the Russian army.
[/quote ]

Russia was involved in wars in Chechnya and Syria, Germany in Spain. Makes no difference how efficient an army is if you can bluff your way to victories until you become stronger. Germany was easily beatable until Czechoslovakia and Austria was given away. Main difference is the crazy racial theories of the Nazis. A surgical strike against Putin would do wonderous things as would have a successful assassination of Hitler in the early 30s.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 16, 2022, 05:22:01 PM
http://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg45q/ukraine-russia-bombed-theater-hundreds-sheltering (http://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg45q/ukraine-russia-bombed-theater-hundreds-sheltering)

Yes.
More slaughter.
41 million people in Ukraine being systemtically exterminated by Russians, not Putin alone.
One theatre, one town, one city at a time.
It's a shooting gallery basically.

The theatre was just shown on my tv.
Then Ukrainian babies, all rugged up against the cold were shown.
They'll likely be next up for slaughtering by the Russians.
Babies' limbs and heads will be flying everywhere as the
Russian bombs and missiles, fired by Russians, explode.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2022, 05:40:36 PM
When people are called upon to be heroes, then they forget to be afraid, the need to remove Putin and to save the innocent people will become so great that they will rush in and remove Putin, then they can have a Junta and then free elections in Russia. Certainly the leaders who solve the crisis will be held in high esteem, like George Washington, and Lech Walesa were with the issues they were faced with.

The Pope is on the radio now, talking to the Russians. Certainly the Pope is telling the good Russians to rise up and stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 16, 2022, 05:42:00 PM
Most of the so-called "good people of Russia" seem not to care less about Russia's invasion of Ukraine...and many seem to enthusiastically support it.
That Church leader for one.
Time to get serious about punishing Russia and Russian people in Russia.
If people in Russia are forced to eat grass to survive, and jump up and down for heating, they might just get angry enough to kill Putin and everyone in the Kremlin.
Or kidnap generals and thereby control the military.

Damn!

You sound like Dr. Evil...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 16, 2022, 05:43:25 PM
http://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg45q/ukraine-russia-bombed-theater-hundreds-sheltering (http://www.vice.com/en/article/5dg45q/ukraine-russia-bombed-theater-hundreds-sheltering)

Standard Operating Procedure for Putin
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 16, 2022, 06:27:43 PM
When people are called upon to be heroes, then they forget to be afraid, the need to remove Putin and to save the innocent people will become so great that they will rush in and remove Putin, then they can have a Junta and then free elections in Russia. Certainly the leaders who solve the crisis will be held in high esteem, like George Washington, and Lech Walesa were with the issues they were faced with.

The Pope is on the radio now, talking to the Russians. Certainly the Pope is telling the good Russians to rise up and stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

Don't seem to be many 'good Russians'...but maybe they're too afraid to say or do anything against the communist govt lest they disappear never to be seen again.

 "Look after yourself first in this world, son...because nobody else will".

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 16, 2022, 07:44:29 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/16/business/russia-aircraft-seizure/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 16, 2022, 10:03:20 PM
Do moves like that attract or repel investment in the longer term?

Based on their upkeep on trucks and tanks, how long before those seized planes start dropping from the sky on the routes they are still permitted to fly, basically over Russia?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 17, 2022, 10:15:56 AM
I wondered that.  If spare parts are blocked, Aeroflot will be grounding more planes.  Of course, as domestic economy shrinks there will be far fewer flyers. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 17, 2022, 10:19:55 AM
Russians have more in Swiss banks than previously thought.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russians-have-up-213-billion-stashed-offshore-swiss-banks-2022-03-17/

Freezing all that, you're talking real money.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 17, 2022, 12:48:32 PM
Russians have more in Swiss banks than previously thought.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russians-have-up-213-billion-stashed-offshore-swiss-banks-2022-03-17/

Freezing all that, you're talking real money.

Don't freeze it.

Give most of it directly to Ukraine. Save a bit for the fraction of airplane seizure not covered by insurance, perhaps.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 17, 2022, 01:43:35 PM
Here is a video that Arnold made for the people of Russia...

https://youtu.be/4e1BndTE6Lg

We need for the good people of Russia to rise up and to take control of Russia and to stop the war and to stop Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 17, 2022, 02:02:36 PM
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 17, 2022, 03:29:35 PM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/276055697_10222155115487035_7585290560236604142_n.jpg?_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=MaOdIAklZG8AX8U1xf-&_nc_oc=AQk7bpQYMMePnOtLs3rzjqe6XaYvyFsdzVrgjEWvKb4ptcmYIjuDJI7saYSqUbwCuJc&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9N06Jr2ejse0jmc26bJYPbZ67_OBfHkLGHC6tviasNMA&oe=623853E0)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 18, 2022, 12:55:01 PM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-travel-europe-environment-8a16a36b519ae4677a37bba29b9e96f8

The International Energy Agency says the world could quickly reduce global oil demand by 2.7 million barrels a day by cutting down on car and plane travel, helping easing the supply crunch caused by Russia s invasion of Ukraine.

The Paris-based agency said in a report released Friday that (quote )practical actions by governments and citizens(unquote) could significantly reduce oil demand, make fuel cheaper for consumers, shrink Russia s hydrocarbon revenue and boost efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The IEA said its 10-point plan could, if fully implemented in advanced economies, cut oil demand by the same amount as all the cars in China within four months....
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 18, 2022, 12:56:10 PM
Tanks for the picture, Josh.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 18, 2022, 02:03:14 PM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-travel-europe-environment-8a16a36b519ae4677a37bba29b9e96f8

The International Energy Agency says the world could quickly reduce global oil demand by 2.7 million barrels a day by cutting down on car and plane travel, helping easing the supply crunch caused by Russia s invasion of Ukraine.

The Paris-based agency said in a report released Friday that (quote )practical actions by governments and citizens(unquote) could significantly reduce oil demand, make fuel cheaper for consumers, shrink Russia s hydrocarbon revenue and boost efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The IEA said its 10-point plan could, if fully implemented in advanced economies, cut oil demand by the same amount as all the cars in China within four months....


Americans need to learn from the people of Rome, they all walk to the market to buy groceries, and they ride bicycles, and they ride mopeds, and if you want to go to Cinecitta then you just hop on the subway. And the people of Rome are fun, in the evening the locals all come out to drink wine with the tourists in the courtyard, etc.

Rome is great, I would like to see Anaheim become more like Rome, and I gave up my car years ago.

It would be good for Americans to drive less, and we can strive to be more like the Italians. Maybe this war will encourage some people to try walking to the market, and walking to the post office, etc, so that they can cut back on buying gas.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 18, 2022, 02:13:19 PM
Russians have more in Swiss banks than previously thought.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russians-have-up-213-billion-stashed-offshore-swiss-banks-2022-03-17/

Freezing all that, you're talking real money.

Don't freeze it.

Give most of it directly to Ukraine. Save a bit for the fraction of airplane seizure not covered by insurance, perhaps.

Use the money to help the refugees of Ukraine, the poor desperate victims, they need help. Many are out there in the cold with just the clothes they are wearing, and they do not even know where they are going.

People need to organize, people need to have a plan, and people need to take the fight to Putin. Instead of innocent people dying then it should be Putin who is getting killed.

It is good that the President of the Ukraine is visiting hospitals, and begging for help, but at the same time he has to have a government that is getting the people organized, and getting the help available that people need.

You have a plan, and a bus to get on, and a place to go, and help when you get to where you are going.

And all of the refugees need to have the telephone numbers for Kiwanis and other aid groups.

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Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 18, 2022, 02:39:04 PM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275785573_10227723170090856_7123453844283433757_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Yz4UXM2r6bAAX82C-K6&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9sZ6iHTqEJnbDI-99_tZ9jqeHpC5COf-fMSvkk2UuRbQ&oe=6238F9C3)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 18, 2022, 03:21:55 PM
Governor Andy Beshear

March 9th
 
Here in Kentucky, we are proud to stand united with Ukraine and its people. Last night, I was honored to join a prayer and vigil with the community of Jessamine County. Together, let us lift the Ukrainian people in prayer and honor their bravery, strength and resilience.

-----------------

Kentucky is a good safe place for the refugees from the Ukraine to come to here in the USA. I would recommend Kentucky, and Nevada.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 18, 2022, 03:30:46 PM
Rare trip into DC yesterday showed me the Kennedy Center lit up in colors of Ukraine flag.  Beautiful sight.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 18, 2022, 03:56:08 PM
Governor Andy Beshear

March 9th
 
Here in Kentucky, we are proud to stand united with Ukraine and its people. Last night, I was honored to join a prayer and vigil with the community of Jessamine County. Together, let us lift the Ukrainian people in prayer and honor their bravery, strength and resilience.

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Kentucky is a good safe place for the refugees from the Ukraine to come to here in the USA. I would recommend Kentucky, and Nevada.

Salute,

Tony V.

People are already *starving* in Kentucky...not enough to eat.
People in The Hamptons have plenty to eat, maybe send the refugees there.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 18, 2022, 04:13:05 PM
"Supersize" should be banned and the excess sent to Kentucky to feed the hungry children an adults.

*
Syrians are now joining Russian ranks in Ukraine as Putin calls in Assad's debt.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 18, 2022, 06:17:39 PM
Governor Andy Beshear

March 9th
 
Here in Kentucky, we are proud to stand united with Ukraine and its people. Last night, I was honored to join a prayer and vigil with the community of Jessamine County. Together, let us lift the Ukrainian people in prayer and honor their bravery, strength and resilience.

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Kentucky is a good safe place for the refugees from the Ukraine to come to here in the USA. I would recommend Kentucky, and Nevada.

Salute,

Tony V.

People are already *starving* in Kentucky...not enough to eat.
People in The Hamptons have plenty to eat, maybe send the refugees there.

We can create jobs in Kentucky, easy, and the refugees can help to build their own housing, same as in Nevada.

Do they sell Sunkist orange juice in Australia? Sunkist is a co-op, and Kentucky can do the same thing with Kentucky bourbon, or whatever they want. They can make and sell Kentucky bourbon to the Australians, and to the Canadians, and to the Mexicans, and to Europe, and to China, etc. People can form co-ops, and they can work together as a team to create jobs in Kentucky, and elsewhere. When the people in Australia buy bourbon from Kentucky then they can help to support the people of Kentucky, the same way that you help to support the people of California when you buy Sunkist orange juice.

Immigrants have a long tradition of forming companies to create jobs for people, and they can form co-ops in Kentucky to create jobs, etc. Many of the refugees are educated and brilliant and they can help to create jobs for the immigrants, it is the American way.

And we have Habitat for Humanity where people can help to build housing, etc.

And the Pope is working on people creating a civilization of democracy and love, and that is what we need.

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Vatican News

1 hour
 
Pope Francis encourages participants at a meeting organized by the Gravissimum Educationis Pontifical Foundation to continue in the path of educating young people for democracy and a civilization of love.

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We need for the refugees, and the immigrants, and the homeless people, to all work togther as a team, and we can help everyone at once. They can live in the same apartment complexes, they can go to the same doctors, and they can shop at the same grocery stores, etc. We need to have a civilization of love and teamwork as we work through this crisis.

And Proctor and Gamble can make soap and toothpaste in Kentucky, etc, people can create jobs in Kentucky the way people always have.

We need to have democracy and a civilization of love and teamwork.

When you see products from Kentucky there in Australia then be sure to buy the products, and thanks if you buy Sunkist orange juice from California.

Salute,

Tony V.





Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 18, 2022, 07:22:05 PM
Rare trip into DC yesterday showed me the Kennedy Center lit up in colors of Ukraine flag.  Beautiful sight.

Good thing you came yesterday.

Truckers tying up traffic burning the most expensive diesel in years...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 18, 2022, 09:00:39 PM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/275785573_10227723170090856_7123453844283433757_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=Yz4UXM2r6bAAX82C-K6&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT9sZ6iHTqEJnbDI-99_tZ9jqeHpC5COf-fMSvkk2UuRbQ&oe=6238F9C3)

Har!  That joke works almost anywhere and anywhen.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 18, 2022, 09:05:02 PM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-travel-europe-environment-8a16a36b519ae4677a37bba29b9e96f8

The International Energy Agency says the world could quickly reduce global oil demand by 2.7 million barrels a day by cutting down on car and plane travel, helping easing the supply crunch caused by Russia s invasion of Ukraine.

The Paris-based agency said in a report released Friday that (quote )practical actions by governments and citizens(unquote) could significantly reduce oil demand, make fuel cheaper for consumers, shrink Russia s hydrocarbon revenue and boost efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

The IEA said its 10-point plan could, if fully implemented in advanced economies, cut oil demand by the same amount as all the cars in China within four months....


Americans need to learn from the people of Rome, they all walk to the market to buy groceries, and they ride bicycles, and they ride mopeds, and if you want to go to Cinecitta then you just hop on the subway. And the people of Rome are fun, in the evening the locals all come out to drink wine with the tourists in the courtyard, etc.

Rome is great, I would like to see Anaheim become more like Rome, and I gave up my car years ago.

It would be good for Americans to drive less, and we can strive to be more like the Italians. Maybe this war will encourage some people to try walking to the market, and walking to the post office, etc, so that they can cut back on buying gas.

Salute,

Tony V.

Right on, Tony.  I saw a similar approach to transport various places in Europe.  And cities there are laid out for that pedestrian lifestyle, which helps.  We can do better here in the USA.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 18, 2022, 09:44:34 PM
One idea for the refugees who come to Kentucky, is they can make canned food and frozen food and they can export it to Canada and to other nations.

They can make wonderful frozen burritos and they can sell them to the Canadians, etc.

And they can make canned food like Chef Boyardee and they can sell it to the Canadians, and to the world.

https://chefboyardee.com/

That is one way that the refugees and immigrants and homeless people can rise is by selling exports to other nations.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 19, 2022, 01:14:46 PM
One idea for the refugees who come to Kentucky, is they can make canned food and frozen food and they can export it to Canada and to other nations.

They can make wonderful frozen burritos and they can sell them to the Canadians, etc.

And they can make canned food like Chef Boyardee and they can sell it to the Canadians, and to the world.

https://chefboyardee.com/

That is one way that the refugees and immigrants and homeless people can rise is by selling exports to other nations.

Salute,

Tony V.

Why not sell it here?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 19, 2022, 02:01:02 PM
One idea for the refugees who come to Kentucky, is they can make canned food and frozen food and they can export it to Canada and to other nations.

They can make wonderful frozen burritos and they can sell them to the Canadians, etc.

And they can make canned food like Chef Boyardee and they can sell it to the Canadians, and to the world.

https://chefboyardee.com/

That is one way that the refugees and immigrants and homeless people can rise is by selling exports to other nations.

Salute,

Tony V.

Why not sell it here?

They can. But, if they do exports then they have access to the Export - Import Bank of the United Sates, and exporting helps the USA to grow our GDP and generate wealth. Exporting is good for the USA.

https://www.usa.gov/federal-agencies/export-import-bank-of-the-united-states

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 19, 2022, 02:03:53 PM
http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/18/playing-jenga-the-russian-trade-edition/ (http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/03/18/playing-jenga-the-russian-trade-edition/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 20, 2022, 02:22:21 AM
Russia fires hypersonic missile in Ukraine.
*
Aussie sending 70,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine.
ScoMo announces ban on exporting alumina to Russia.
Russian ship turned around.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 20, 2022, 02:47:00 AM
Joe Trupia, artist at Citizen Brick in Chicago, is raising funds for Ukraine by selling Zelenskiy Lego-style figurines...and toy Molotov cocktails...reportedly.
Go Joe.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 20, 2022, 03:44:48 AM
Russia fires hypersonic missile in Ukraine.
*
Aussie sending 70,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine.
ScoMo announces ban on exporting alumina to Russia.
Russian ship turned around.

It would be better if you guys could figure out how to grow some wheat.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 20, 2022, 08:40:30 AM
Russia fires hypersonic missile in Ukraine.
*
Aussie sending 70,000 tonnes of coal to Ukraine.
ScoMo announces ban on exporting alumina to Russia.
Russian ship turned around.

It would be better if you guys could figure out how to grow some wheat.

LOL
You know we export many millions of tonnes of wheat annually.
Part of the reason China wants Australia...food security.

Ukraine has requested the coal.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 20, 2022, 02:21:21 PM
We are now all living in the nightmarish delusional world of Putin. A war in the Ukraine, huh. Makes no sense on any level.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 20, 2022, 02:39:26 PM
Leadership that cannot or will not address their internal divisions sometimes looks to create external conflicts to galvanize the population and shift focus and blame for the problems existing at home.

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/20/2086991/-Sabotaging-Russian-War-Efforts-Demographics (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/20/2086991/-Sabotaging-Russian-War-Efforts-Demographics)

This seems like a policy well worth trying if the underlying assessment is correct. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 21, 2022, 10:31:09 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/

Accessible URL...

https://archive.ph/2022.03.21-131404/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 21, 2022, 01:40:53 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/

Accessible URL...

https://archive.ph/2022.03.21-131404/https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/03/21/ukraine-is-winning-war-russia-offensive-putin/

Interesting report.

I don't view Ukraine as winning. I think both sides are losing in this war - Ukraine is losing by the massive amounts of destroyed infrastructure and the huge number of displaced people. Even if the suggested outcome proves true and Putin must withdraw his forces, Ukraine has been devastated.

Yes, Russia is losing, too, and in ways Putin would never have guessed - their military reputation and the fear of the Russian war machine have become fodder for jokes and not even nervous ones. Putin's own reputation as a strongman has been undermined by Russia's inability to execute its mission.

And perhaps Russia will win this war by its people being emboldened to overthrow their government. Perhaps.

But for the nonce, I think both sides are losing more than either side is winning.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 21, 2022, 03:06:13 PM
Thumbs up to that, Josh.  And the undermining of Putin's reputation as a strong leader and commander is what makes this such a perilous moment.  All I can do is hope (a) he is bluffing about tac nukes, and (b) if he isn't, that the nukes have been sitting around a long time in storage units and their firing circuits have corroded. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 21, 2022, 03:40:59 PM
If Russia stopped right now in exchange for formalizing Crimea and Ukrainian security via some arrangement outside of NATO, they could call it a win. Every day they keep the fight up there is a growing risk Russia does not get that much of a settlement.

By conservative estimates Russia has lost in those killed, captured, disabled, and deserted at least 25 thousand of their 200 thousand strong fighting force in the region, if that number doubles or triples over the next month or months, not only will they appear weaker, but they will stress their other occupation forces trying to assemble a new Russian empire.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 21, 2022, 05:58:26 PM
If Russia stopped right now in exchange for formalizing Crimea and Ukrainian security via some arrangement outside of NATO, they could call it a win. Every day they keep the fight up there is a growing risk Russia does not get that much of a settlement.

By conservative estimates Russia has lost in those killed, captured, disabled, and deserted at least 25 thousand of their 200 thousand strong fighting force in the region, if that number doubles or triples over the next month or months, not only will they appear weaker, but they will stress their other occupation forces trying to assemble a new Russian empire.

Ukraine is not at this time prepared to cede Crimea. They have already said they are willing to be neutral and to not join NATO.

But Putin rightly is concerned that he (they) won't be able to keep Crimea without an agreement.

What he fails to understand is that there is absolutely no reason for Ukraine to honor such an agreement, even if they were to make one! Contracts signed under duress (such as a gun held to your head) are non-binding in any court that is not rigged.

So, Ukraine could say "okay, you can keep Crimea," and after the troops are gone say "we changed our minds, just like you did when you took it to start with and when you invaded us and when you bombed our civilians and our hospitals."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 21, 2022, 07:07:33 PM
If Russia stopped right now in exchange for formalizing Crimea and Ukrainian security via some arrangement outside of NATO, they could call it a win. Every day they keep the fight up there is a growing risk Russia does not get that much of a settlement.

By conservative estimates Russia has lost in those killed, captured, disabled, and deserted at least 25 thousand of their 200 thousand strong fighting force in the region, if that number doubles or triples over the next month or months, not only will they appear weaker, but they will stress their other occupation forces trying to assemble a new Russian empire.

Ukraine is not at this time prepared to cede Crimea. They have already said they are willing to be neutral and to not join NATO.

But Putin rightly is concerned that he (they) won't be able to keep Crimea without an agreement.

What he fails to understand is that there is absolutely no reason for Ukraine to honor such an agreement, even if they were to make one! Contracts signed under duress (such as a gun held to your head) are non-binding in any court that is not rigged.

So, Ukraine could say "okay, you can keep Crimea," and after the troops are gone say "we changed our minds, just like you did when you took it to start with and when you invaded us and when you bombed our civilians and our hospitals."


When a war is in a stalemate it gives openings for negotiation.

The longer this goes on the more the civilians in Ukraine will suffer and the more certain Putin loses power.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 21, 2022, 08:05:22 PM
The EU needs to prioritize aid to Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Moldova to cope with refugees pouring out of Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 21, 2022, 11:33:40 PM
The EU needs to prioritize aid to Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Moldova to cope with refugees pouring out of Ukraine.

The EU needs to get its butt into gear and work out ways
to get all the people out of Ukraine and into their countries ...yesterday, as soon there'll be nothing much worthwhile left in Ukraine.
Bombings are every 10 minutes now.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 22, 2022, 12:43:59 AM
More stupid "you made us do it" bs from Russia. This time they are blaming Japan's reaction to the invasion of Ukraine for why they are going to stop negotiations over the Northern Territory of Japan (Kiril Islands to Russia) - It seems that Russia and Japan have not yet declared peace from World War II!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/asia/russia-halts-japan-war-peace-talks-intl-hnk/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 22, 2022, 01:23:17 AM
After what's happened in Ukraine it sure seems that all alliances, pacts, agreements are not worth the paper they're written on, in reality, and were only ever "maybe"s.

The 64 dollar question is:
If Putin/Russia, having basically turned Ukraine into rubble, decides it's time to take Poland and invades it by air, land, and by sea from the North, ...will Biden/US, Boris/UK, and the other NATO countries get into a full blown war with nuke-armed Russia (Putin threatening to use nukes)...or will appeasement still rule?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 22, 2022, 03:04:11 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/FObHpqnXwAMlHmY?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 22, 2022, 03:10:14 AM
After what's happened in Ukraine it sure seems that all alliances, pacts, agreements are not worth the paper they're written on, in reality, and were only ever "maybe"s.

The 64 dollar question is:
If Putin/Russia, having basically turned Ukraine into rubble, decides it's time to take Poland and invades it by air, land, and by sea from the North, ...will Biden/US, Boris/UK, and the other NATO countries get into a full blown war with nuke-armed Russia (Putin threatening to use nukes)...or will appeasement still rule?

The 64 dollar question is:
Since all Australians have drowned, been eaten by mice, or been enslaved by the Chinese, where is freaky deaky Bambu actually posting from?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 22, 2022, 12:05:20 PM
More stupid "you made us do it" bs from Russia. This time they are blaming Japan's reaction to the invasion of Ukraine for why they are going to stop negotiations over the Northern Territory of Japan (Kiril Islands to Russia) - It seems that Russia and Japan have not yet declared peace from World War II!

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/asia/russia-halts-japan-war-peace-talks-intl-hnk/index.html

Russia still salty after Japan kicked their ass in 1905.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 22, 2022, 02:13:51 PM
After what's happened in Ukraine it sure seems that all alliances, pacts, agreements are not worth the paper they're written on, in reality, and were only ever "maybe"s.

How do you come to that conclusion?

And that has always been the case - it took you until Ukraine to figure this out?

The US has never signed a treaty with the Native Americans that it kept.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 22, 2022, 05:58:12 PM
After what's happened in Ukraine it sure seems that all alliances, pacts, agreements are not worth the paper they're written on, in reality, and were only ever "maybe"s.

How do you come to that conclusion?

And that has always been the case - it took you until Ukraine to figure this out?

The US has never signed a treaty with the Native Americans that it kept.

I can be a bit slow on the uptake sometimes. :)

Ukraine ditched in nukes after being promised security?
That promised security has not eventuated.

Yes, promise promises.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 22, 2022, 09:00:08 PM
https://archive.ph/koIbz

30 years ago, this past Feb 5. Ukraine gave up the nuclear missiles.

NYT article.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 22, 2022, 10:18:13 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/22/2087501/-Ukraine-update-Ukraine-threatens-to-encircle-Russian-troops-Biden-heads-to-Europe (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/3/22/2087501/-Ukraine-update-Ukraine-threatens-to-encircle-Russian-troops-Biden-heads-to-Europe)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 22, 2022, 10:20:29 PM
https://archive.ph/koIbz

30 years ago, this past Feb 5. Ukraine gave up the nuclear missiles.

NYT article.

"Never trust anyone" - bambu [and no doubt many before him]
"Look after yourself first in this world, son...because nobody else will" - my first boss.

from the link;
When the Soviet Union collapsed, Ukraine turned over thousands of atomic weapons in exchange for security guarantees from Russia, the United States and other countries.

Ukraine trusted...now it's getting blown to bits.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 02:41:11 AM
Next up...chemical weapons to be used by Russia...it's being suggested on my tv.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/clear-sign-putin-is-weighing-up-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine-says-biden (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/clear-sign-putin-is-weighing-up-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine-says-biden)

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Why wouldn't Putin/Russia [Putin is only one person, pop of Russia is 145million] use chemical weapons in Ukraine war?
Kill all the people without having to destroy all the infrastructure.
It's not like anyone would be going to stop him, he has everyone scared of a nuclear war.
Putin/Russia can, and is, doing just as it pleases now...owns the world, including the UN of which it is Chair.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 02:50:00 AM
Next up...chemical weapons to be used by Russia...it's being suggested on my tv.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/clear-sign-putin-is-weighing-up-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine-says-biden (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/clear-sign-putin-is-weighing-up-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine-says-biden)

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Why wouldn't Putin/Russia [Putin is only one person, pop of Russia is 145million] use chemical weapons in Ukraine war?
Kill all the people without having to destroy all the infrastructure.
It's not like anyone would be going to stop him, he has everyone scared of a nuclear war.
Putin/Russia can, and is, doing just as it pleases now...owns the world, including the UN of which it is Chair.

Because if he orders the use of chemical weapons, then he knows that he will either die a premature death (at his own hands perhaps) or spend some lengthy time in a prison.

There is no excuse for it.

I am sure he has weighed the issue - but your theory of saving the infrastructure is stupid - he's already destroyed much of it.

Yes, we are scared of a nuclear war, but chemical and bio weapons are also weapons of mass destruction and that would get folks off the fence. It's going too far and hard as it is for you to believe it, there are limits.

And Putin knows it - otherwise, they would be far less careful about their shelling and whether or not the rockets, bombs, or artillery are landing in Poland (a NATO country).

He doesn't own the world any more than Trump was king. You develop and express these inflated views of people, Bambu, and present them as some sort of cosmic truths.

It's just not so.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 03:28:24 AM
One of the ways we know that things are not going the way Putin would have had them go is stories like this one:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/olga-misik-russia-protests-constitution-moscow-riot-police-putin-a9029816.html

Olga Misik: Teenage girl reads constitution in front of Putin's riot police during Moscow protests
"I just wanted to remind them that we are here with peaceful purposes and without weapons - but they are not"

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/67600673_10206255647666698_2071641912896389120_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=f0a4XKrbTJkAX8mo4dR&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT86kSh7OMCTToIZigKDeTWBXOJ3Ib9omJ5DBBuhOd_a1w&oe=625E89A4)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 23, 2022, 03:55:10 AM
Assassinate Putin, the only option left? Sanctions have not worked anywhere they were ever tried. Just avoiding the issue.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 23, 2022, 04:38:02 AM
"You is to put me and this here sniper rifle anywhere up to and including one mile of Adolf Hitler with a clear line of sight, sir, and pack your bags, fellas. War's over. Amen." - Private Jackson ---   Saving Private Ryan.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 23, 2022, 10:05:50 AM
Reagan had his moments of clarity, it seems.

How it all began....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.23-132736/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/climate/europe-russia-gas-reagan.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 01:20:42 PM
"You is to put me and this here sniper rifle anywhere up to and including one mile of Adolf Hitler with a clear line of sight, sir, and pack your bags, fellas. War's over. Amen." - Private Jackson ---   Saving Private Ryan.

You, Bambu, and Kid... relying on movie dialog as proof of what?!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 01:21:04 PM
Next up...chemical weapons to be used by Russia...it's being suggested on my tv.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/clear-sign-putin-is-weighing-up-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine-says-biden (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/22/clear-sign-putin-is-weighing-up-use-of-chemical-weapons-in-ukraine-says-biden)

#####

Why wouldn't Putin/Russia [Putin is only one person, pop of Russia is 145million] use chemical weapons in Ukraine war?
Kill all the people without having to destroy all the infrastructure.
It's not like anyone would be going to stop him, he has everyone scared of a nuclear war.
Putin/Russia can, and is, doing just as it pleases now...owns the world, including the UN of which it is Chair.

Because if he orders the use of chemical weapons, then he knows that he will either die a premature death (at his own hands perhaps) or spend some lengthy time in a prison.

There is no excuse for it.

I am sure he has weighed the issue - but your theory of saving the infrastructure is stupid - he's already destroyed much of it.

Yes, we are scared of a nuclear war, but chemical and bio weapons are also weapons of mass destruction and that would get folks off the fence. It's going too far and hard as it is for you to believe it, there are limits.

And Putin knows it - otherwise, they would be far less careful about their shelling and whether or not the rockets, bombs, or artillery are landing in Poland (a NATO country).

He doesn't own the world any more than Trump was king. You develop and express these inflated views of people, Bambu, and present them as some sort of cosmic truths.

It's just not so.

Who would be arresting Putin?
Chemical weapons were used in Syria and Afghanistan,
Russia and its best buddy China do in fact own the UN and the world today.

II believe there's no way the US is going to get into a full blown war with Russia over Ukraine under any circumstances.
The American people have no appetite for losing American lives in Europe again...they are saying so on the internet.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 23, 2022, 02:03:19 PM
Official Fern Michaels

1 hour

Thank you so much to everyone who has already bid on the many wonderful items that were donated to Kensington Publishing's Benefit for Ukraine. This important cause is close to my heart, so I have decided to match the first $10,000 raised, but also to donate a total of $25,000.

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My Grandmother was a huge fan of Fern Michaels, so I got into Fern Michaels when I was very young. I love Romance Novels and I would love to produce Love Stories as a movie producer.

It is great that Fern Michaels is supporting the people of the Ukraine.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 02:06:54 PM
they are saying so on the internet.

Oh nos!

People are saying things on the internet - it must be true!

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 02:13:31 PM
"You is to put me and this here sniper rifle anywhere up to and including one mile of Adolf Hitler with a clear line of sight, sir, and pack your bags, fellas. War's over. Amen." - Private Jackson ---   Saving Private Ryan.

You, Bambu, and Kid... relying on movie dialog as proof of what?!

Reality.
Common-sense.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 02:17:28 PM
"You is to put me and this here sniper rifle anywhere up to and including one mile of Adolf Hitler with a clear line of sight, sir, and pack your bags, fellas. War's over. Amen." - Private Jackson ---   Saving Private Ryan.

You, Bambu, and Kid... relying on movie dialog as proof of what?!

Reality.
Common-sense.

Relying on movie dialog as proof of reality?

Second funniest thing I have read all day and only 2nd because of Ted Cruz.

No, not viable for common sense, either.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 02:18:26 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 02:20:00 PM
they are saying so on the internet.

Oh nos!

People are saying things on the internet - it must be true!

Yes, real American people, on real American internet, speaking real Americn words/sentiment.
Something about..."not one drop...let the European  Commies fight their own wars".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 02:23:48 PM
they are saying so on the internet.

Oh nos!

People are saying things on the internet - it must be true!

Yes, real American people, on real American internet, speaking real Americn words/sentiment.
Something about..."not one drop...let the European  Commies fight their own wars".

Yes. I get that.

What you don't seem to understand is that "real American people, on real American Internet" may or may not be representative of the opinions of the American public as a whole - they are a subculture all their own.

And your ability to discern who is a "real American" is pretty much zero, anyway.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 23, 2022, 03:12:08 PM
Shedding tears for a dead tyrant. Think of all the future lives saved. Of a Russian people freed. This is why special ops and killer drones were invented.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 03:22:16 PM
they are saying so on the internet.

Oh nos!

People are saying things on the internet - it must be true!

Yes, real American people, on real American internet, speaking real Americn words/sentiment.
Something about..."not one drop...let the European  Commies fight their own wars".

Yes. I get that.

What you don't seem to understand is that "real American people, on real American Internet" may or may not be representative of the opinions of the American public as a whole - they are a subculture all their own.

And your ability to discern who is a "real American" is pretty much zero, anyway.

Not so.
Mrs bambu spent 6 weeks travelling America, train, plane, bus, cab...stayed most of the time in homes of real live Americans, real Americans in the very cold winter, in their own homes, lived their lives.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 23, 2022, 03:24:50 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.
Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 05:22:29 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.
Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation as President.

If he is elected for a second term, his belief in, and commitment to, said alliances will likely be tested...with China expected by many experts...to move on Taiwan sooner rather than later, and invade Australia within 5 years.

Not sure what if any alliance US has with Taiwan, but US has the ANZUS Alliance with Australia and New Zealand.

It was good to see him tell China that it would suffer consequences if it helped Russia attack Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 05:30:26 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.
Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation as President.

If he is elected for a second term, his belief in, and commitment to, said alliances will likely be tested...with China expected by many experts...to move on Taiwan sooner rather than later, and invade Australia within 5 years.

"Experts"

Taiwan is a target, though I am pretty sure this little event in Ukraine has given China pause about that.

China has no interest in invading Australia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 07:01:48 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/23/business/russia-sanctions-ukraine-biden-mcmaster/index.html

Trump's former National Security Advisor says Biden deserves some of the credit for the way the West came together regarding Russia.
Yes, we are fortunate to have a President who believes in our alliances and international cooperation as President.

If he is elected for a second term, his belief in, and commitment to, said alliances will likely be tested...with China expected by many experts...to move on Taiwan sooner rather than later, and invade Australia within 5 years.

"Experts"

Taiwan is a target, though I am pretty sure this little event in Ukraine has given China pause about that.

China has no interest in invading Australia.

Recently there were Chinese warships lurking around northern Australia in the Arafura Sea...within sight of the coastline.
Obviously up to no good...most likely plotting an invasion and looking for the best landing places for their 2 million troops and missile trucks.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 23, 2022, 07:18:47 PM
It is looking for the moment like Ukraine is containing Russian troops NW of Kyiv and rolling them back to the NE. Russia is making headway degrading resistance in the SE on the coast.

If Russia flattens the SE enough to communicate deeper into Ukraine, they can potentially change momentum and disrupt what Ukraine is doing around Kyiv. NATO would then need to seriously consider stepping in more directly.

On the other hand, if Ukraine can bring enough to bear to dislodge and destroy the Russian force NW of Kyiv before Russia makes very much progress in the SE Ukraine may be able to pressure and disrupt the Russians there.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 07:44:51 PM
It is looking for the moment like Ukraine is containing Russian troops NW of Kyiv and rolling them back to the NE. Russia is making headway degrading resistance in the SE on the coast.

If Russia flattens the SE enough to communicate deeper into Ukraine, they can potentially change momentum and disrupt what Ukraine is doing around Kyiv. NATO would then need to seriously consider stepping in more directly.

On the other hand, if Ukraine can bring enough to bear to dislodge and destroy the Russian force NW of Kyiv before Russia makes very much progress in the SE Ukraine may be able to pressure and disrupt the Russians there.

If Russia ups the stakes by chemical weapons, is NATO pushed to intervene?

Or if they shift to carpet bombing, extrapolating their prior methods to their logical conclusions, is there anything NATO could or would do?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2022, 07:53:02 PM
It is looking for the moment like Ukraine is containing Russian troops NW of Kyiv and rolling them back to the NE. Russia is making headway degrading resistance in the SE on the coast.

If Russia flattens the SE enough to communicate deeper into Ukraine, they can potentially change momentum and disrupt what Ukraine is doing around Kyiv. NATO would then need to seriously consider stepping in more directly.

On the other hand, if Ukraine can bring enough to bear to dislodge and destroy the Russian force NW of Kyiv before Russia makes very much progress in the SE Ukraine may be able to pressure and disrupt the Russians there.

Just a pity Ukraine hadn't convinced prisoners serving life sentences to become guerillas and sent them to Russia before the invasion so they could now be blowing up Moscow.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 08:17:38 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/karl-marx-study-room-name-changed-due-ukraine-russia-war-officials-say-1690072

I am sure that changing the name of it from a German philosopher and economist to something else will strike at the heart of Putin and his men.

Now, had they gotten rid of the Ayn Rand room, that could have spelled trouble! (And at least she was born in Russia...)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 08:19:31 PM
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2022/03/23/putins-aggression-has-bolstered-support-for-nato
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 23, 2022, 08:47:52 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/karl-marx-study-room-name-changed-due-ukraine-russia-war-officials-say-1690072

I am sure that changing the name of it from a German philosopher and economist to something else will strike at the heart of Putin and his men.

Now, had they gotten rid of the Ayn Rand room, that could have spelled trouble! (And at least she was born in Russia...)

Didn't someone burn down the Ayn Rand room?

Given how utterly opposed Marx would be to an autocratic oligarchy, it's pretty silly to pair him with Russia today. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 23, 2022, 09:22:54 PM
https://www.newsweek.com/karl-marx-study-room-name-changed-due-ukraine-russia-war-officials-say-1690072

I am sure that changing the name of it from a German philosopher and economist to something else will strike at the heart of Putin and his men.

Now, had they gotten rid of the Ayn Rand room, that could have spelled trouble! (And at least she was born in Russia...)

Didn't someone burn down the Ayn Rand room?

Given how utterly opposed Marx would be to an autocratic oligarchy, it's pretty silly to pair him with Russia today.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 23, 2022, 09:31:58 PM
http://www.thebulwark.com/get-ukraine-more-drones/ (http://www.thebulwark.com/get-ukraine-more-drones/)

And either pressure China to knock out its drone monitoring service or knock it out by hacking or jamming in Ukraine and Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 24, 2022, 12:12:37 AM
Moscow has signalled that Russian President Vladimir Putin intends to attend the summit of world leaders in Bali in November but his presence at the Indonesia-hosted event has the potential to trigger a boycott by other countries.

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Australia should boycott...if by then Russia is not booted out of the G20 permanently...or at least while Putin is president.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 24, 2022, 01:02:52 AM
Shedding tears for a dead tyrant. Think of all the future lives saved. Of a Russian people freed. This is why special ops and killer drones were invented.

Putin plans to attend the G20 summit in Bali Indonesia in Nov 22.

More sanctions and declaring him a war criminal. How weak a response is that!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 24, 2022, 01:09:57 AM
Shedding tears for a dead tyrant. Think of all the future lives saved. Of a Russian people freed. This is why special ops and killer drones were invented.

Putin plans to attend the G20 summit in Bali Indonesia in Nov 22.

More sanctions and declaring him a war criminal. How weak a response is that!

The declaration of war criminal isn't weak at all, Luee.

You should read up on it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 24, 2022, 02:20:51 AM
Shedding tears for a dead tyrant. Think of all the future lives saved. Of a Russian people freed. This is why special ops and killer drones were invented.

Putin plans to attend the G20 summit in Bali Indonesia in Nov 22.

More sanctions and declaring him a war criminal. How weak a response is that!


How weak? Ask Milosivich (sp?)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 24, 2022, 02:25:06 AM
Shedding tears for a dead tyrant. Think of all the future lives saved. Of a Russian people freed. This is why special ops and killer drones were invented.

Putin plans to attend the G20 summit in Bali Indonesia in Nov 22.

More sanctions and declaring him a war criminal. How weak a response is that!

The declaration of war criminal isn't weak at all, Luee.

You should read up on it.

Huh! He is just going to continue with the invasion killing innocent civilians. A drone upon the head would be far more appropriate and effective.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 24, 2022, 02:32:07 AM
Get right on that. We will keep an eye on the papers to see if you have had any luck.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 24, 2022, 10:52:58 AM
Putin is an evil autocrat, No one could be worse at the present time. A delusional narcissist with a low value on human life.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 24, 2022, 11:54:00 AM
Putin is an evil autocrat, No one could be worse at the present time. A delusional narcissist with a low value on human life.

I suspect people said the same of Lenin until Stalin came along.

Luee's lack of imagination in this regard is somewhat striking.

How many nuclear missiles would the next person have to launch to be worse?

How many of his own people would he have to have killed?

How many world leaders would he have to have assassinated?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2022, 12:31:37 PM
Personally I find luee's move from Ukrainian Nazis deserve to be invaded to Putin is the worst human imaginable fascinating.

And I wonder how much thought the Let us assassinate Putin extrajudicially people have given to the safety of our president, whoever that is, after our next military activity in an unfriendly nation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
You don't think they have tried?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2022, 01:06:31 PM
So....anyway...just curious - is Biden leading this NATO thing or not?  Lets not give him credit if things go well but say he was "outvoted", etc if they do not.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 24, 2022, 01:31:13 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/24/europe/russia-sergei-shoigu-health-intl/index.html

Missing: One Defense Minister.

"Health issues" from one side. "Busy" from another.

If I were he, I would have tried to get out of Moscow about 2 weeks ago.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 24, 2022, 01:35:13 PM
So....anyway...just curious - is Biden leading this NATO thing or not?  Lets not give him credit if things go well but say he was "outvoted", etc if they do not.

Of course, if he pushes for something and it goes well, then he should get credit.

And if he pushes for something, but they outvote him and it goes badly, then we would say "he was outvoted."

One can lead a group without the group agreeing to everything you promote. Is this news to you?

Currently, he is getting credit from diverse groups for helping to bring voices together over the Ukraine mess. This seems to bother you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2022, 01:45:39 PM
Biden:  "I've been in many, many war zones."



Uh huh.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2022, 01:49:20 PM
Biden:  "I've been in many, many war zones."



Uh huh.
You have contrary information? Iraq and Afghanistan often as Veep, for instance.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 24, 2022, 01:54:57 PM
Biden:  "I've been in many, many war zones."



Uh huh.
You have contrary information? Iraq and Afghanistan often as Veep, for instance.

Kid knows people.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 24, 2022, 02:17:27 PM
So....anyway...just curious - is Biden leading this NATO thing or not?  Lets not give him credit if things go well but say he was "outvoted", etc if they do not.

Stoltenberg is the leader of NATO.  Biden represents a nation that is an influential signatory.  He is doing what he's good at, which is helping bring all the members together on the logistics of sanctions and aid. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 24, 2022, 02:21:00 PM
Personally I find luee's move from Ukrainian Nazis deserve to be invaded to Putin is the worst human imaginable fascinating.

And I wonder how much thought the Let us assassinate Putin extrajudicially people have given to the safety of our president, whoever that is, after our next military activity in an unfriendly nation.

Or what autocrat henchmen are like.  Imagine if Trump has instituted a full dictatorship, been assassinated and Stephen Miller had then stepped into the vacuum.  (Of course IRL Trump was something of a vacuum...)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 24, 2022, 02:24:08 PM
President Joe Biden

6 minutes

Today, I announced that the United States will welcome up to 100,000 Ukrainians and others fleeing the aggression of Russia.
We are focused on reuniting families and providing refuge to those in the way of harm.

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Many refugees are going to come to the United States, I recommend coming to Nevada, and to Kentucky.

Land in Battle Mountain, Nevada, is only one thousand dollars per acre, it is the best deal in the USA. If the refugees and immigrants come to California, Florida, and New York, then everything is very expensive, but land is affordable in Nevada and in Kentucky. A waitress working at a casino can afford to buy her own home in Battle Mountain, Nevada. And there is a college in Elko, Nevada, for the people who want to study.

Salute,

Tony V.





Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 24, 2022, 02:44:34 PM
Meanwhile, after shutting it for a month, Russia "reopened" their stock market.

That's in quotes because they only opened it for 33 stocks and they forbade foreign investors sales of shares.

There are other arcane rules Russia is trying to impost, as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/24/investing/premarket-stocks-trading/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 24, 2022, 03:13:32 PM
Personally I find luee's move from Ukrainian Nazis deserve to be invaded to Putin is the worst human imaginable fascinating.

And I wonder how much thought the Let us assassinate Putin extrajudicially people have given to the safety of our president, whoever that is, after our next military activity in an unfriendly nation.

Or what autocrat henchmen are like.  Imagine if Trump has instituted a full dictatorship, been assassinated and Stephen Miller had then stepped into the vacuum.  (Of course IRL Trump was something of a vacuum...)

A big difference between filing a grievance about NATO overstepping its authority and a full blown invasion along with indiscriminate bombing of civilians and property.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 24, 2022, 03:22:14 PM
Berlusconi got wealthy from building housing for the people of Italy, that was how he got his start.

If I was to build housing, I would build Santorini, Greece, style apartment complexes in Battle Mountain, Nevada. Complete with heated swimming pools and tennis courts. The land is cheap, so you can afford to use quality building materials and you can build nice apartments.

Right now we have the refugees, the immigrants, and the homeless, who all need housing. We need to build like crazy.

I would bring in architects from Greece, and from Spain, and from Italy, and I would build like crazy in areas such as Battle Mountain where the land is cheap.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2022, 04:26:00 PM
Biden:  "I've been in many, many war zones."



Uh huh.
You have contrary information? Iraq and Afghanistan often as Veep, for instance.

No...noooo...

VERY experienced

Almost like a general

heh
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2022, 04:39:33 PM
Biden:  "I've been in many, many war zones."



Uh huh.
You have contrary information? Iraq and Afghanistan often as Veep, for instance.

No...noooo...

VERY experienced

Almost like a general

heh
Did he say that?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 24, 2022, 05:20:17 PM
Kid assumes his own levels of ignorance, incompetence, narcissism, and apathy are universally shared. He likes republicans because he recognizes this assumption is true with them and recognizes them as kindred spirits.

He hates everyone else for showing him up by being less terrible just to make him feel bad.

Between balls and bone spurs, Kid will pick bone spurs every time.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 24, 2022, 05:52:15 PM
G20 in Bali in Nov 22...Putin is going...Ukraine will likely be all rubble by then, with the so called war (more like a massacre) likely over by then.
Putin will arrive..."all cheer the conquering hero" it could well be, you watch.
Very few in the world seem to hate Put
in-Russia with any passion.
Indonesia for example is one of Putin-Russia's best arms customers.
Socialist Vietnam seems to love Putin-Russia at a very high level.
So too China and other countries in Asia/ SE Asia.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 24, 2022, 06:15:24 PM
"China set to sign Pacific security deal on Australia's doorstep".
Deal involves China basing its military in Solomon Islands.
Won't be long nooow!
Oh well, my life is not just starting...I'd be angry if it were.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 24, 2022, 08:46:13 PM
Quote
The official Soviet death toll during the Afghan War, which lasted more than nine years, was around 15,000 soldiers. It is therefore quite telling that the Russians may have already lost as many 15,000 soldiers in just one month in Ukraine, according to estimates given to CNN by senior NATO officials.

It's over 10,000, at least, according to a state newspaper, which removed the figure about 20 minutes after it started making the rounds on Twitter.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 24, 2022, 09:03:17 PM
That only accounts for KIA. The number wounded and out of action is likely two or three times that. In addition, an unknown but also likely large number have already surrendered or deserted from the Russian forces. It is why they prefer standing off and shelling civilian population centers rather than engaging with Ukrainian military.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 25, 2022, 12:09:33 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/american-volunteer-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/03/american-volunteer-foreign-fighters-ukraine-russia-war/627604/)

Robin Hood vs. the Vogons.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 25, 2022, 02:00:51 PM
As both George Will and Facilitatorn noted, crude artillery blasts seems to be the Russian military's answer to internal conflict and incompetence.  Biden is still trying to help steer things so that the Russians implode but don't crash so hard that they lash out desperately with a tactical nuke because, you know, like, a convoy ran out of gas. 

I've seen upper estimates that Russian casualties have reached, in four weeks, the total sustained in a decade in Afghanistan.  That's reallllly shitty logistics and strategy.   And that blood is on Putin's filthy shit-stained paws. 

In other news, I am pleasantly surprised that Joe Manchin has not accused KB Jackson of unleashing child pornographers to undermine the coal industry by solar heating their grooming lairs.  His endorsement of Jackson makes me think he confines his stupidity and greed to only certain domains. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 25, 2022, 02:25:52 PM
One can hope.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 25, 2022, 07:31:30 PM
On the issue of food for the refugees...

Cheese. They can cut off a chunk of cheese whenever they get hungry.

Chef Boyardee canned foods, including beef raviolis.

https://www.chefboyardee.com/

And also Kellogg's Pop Tarts.

https://www.kelloggs.com

And Kool Aid for the children.

https://www.koolaid.com/

And wine for the adults. ( They are saying no alcohol in a time of war, but I think the people need alcohol more during a time of war. I would let the people drink wine. )

And lots of bottled water.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 25, 2022, 08:00:04 PM
The refugees also need coffee, they will need instant coffee that is easy to make with just hot tap water if that is all they have...

Nescafe is the best instant coffee, and they are already established in Europe and in Eastern Europe...

https://www.nestle.com/brands/coffee/nescafe

Nestle is going along with the world on sanctions on Russia now, and the refugees can benefit from Nestle products.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 25, 2022, 09:50:37 PM
Thank goodness for March madness and the Peacocks. A slight respite from the blood and gore in the Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 26, 2022, 12:27:32 AM
Ivanka Trump

17 hours

Over the last few days, we have delivered 1 million meals to Ukrainians in Kyiv, Lviv, and Sumy.

Thank you to the Pastors, Rabbis and truck drivers who are risking their lives to bring this food to those in need. With these meals, we hope to provide a small source of comfort and nourishment for Ukrainians who are suffering so unjustly from Russia's invasion of their country.

To the people of Ukraine - you are in our hearts, you are in our prayers, and your courage in the face of violence and hardship is an inspiration. God bless you in your heroic fight to defend your country and your freedom.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 26, 2022, 12:39:01 AM
Thank goodness for March madness and the Peacocks. A slight respite from the blood and gore in the Ukraine.

Not to the people of Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on March 26, 2022, 04:10:37 AM
Thank goodness for March madness and the Peacocks. A slight respite from the blood and gore in the Ukraine.

(https://i.postimg.cc/4mwkn3Nh/20220316edptc-a.webp) (https://postimg.cc/4mwkn3Nh)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on March 26, 2022, 04:32:14 AM
Skimming through the last couple of pages, I was amused by the idea of Putin invading Poland now.  The Russkie army is having trouble enough with poor scrappy Ukraine.  Poland has an army of 200K and is a NATO member (which besides the alliance guarantee requires fairly good training standards).

Putin reportedly has been scrounging around for extra troops just to contend with Ukraine.  Latest rumor is transferring troops form Georgia, who at least have some frontline experience.  Has the attempt to draw in Syrian mercenaries amounted to anything? ($300/month isn't much to be put on the front line in a poorly run effort).  Not sure if all of the Chechens have returned to the Caucasus. 

A conundrum for NATO would be if Russia rolled its army into one of the Baltic countries, which it could overwhelm and take over in a very short timeframe.  Does NATO really start a conventional war with nuclear Russia to reclaim Latvia? 

Otherwise Tony's Boyardee fixation is unusual.  I was surprised to learn that Chef Boyardee was a real person, who dumbed down the spelling of his surname to help Americans pronounce it.  I thought he was a fictional sales rep such as Betty Crocker, Aunt Jemima or Ronald Reagan ...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 26, 2022, 09:22:45 AM
The Russian army "struggles" reported could be propaganda, Bo.  I would be careful.

The " do we start a nuclear war" sentiment remains the issue. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 26, 2022, 10:09:06 AM
There needs to be skepticism for Herman Kahn's escalation ladder.  The notion of some judicious battlefield use of tactical nukes needs to be put down.  Especially where there is this huge asymmetry between Putin's view of appropriate use and NATO's.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bodiddley on March 26, 2022, 10:13:29 AM
I should have guessed that kiid had one foot in the Putin camp.  While no doubt hedging so as not to seem too much of a Putin apologist.  Probably believes NATO caused the war. Forced Vlad to go on a killing spree.

In case you missed it, the Biden Admin has had great intel and has been broadcasting Putin's next move before he can act on his decisions.  Most notably that an invasion was coming and roughly when.  I even assume that Biden's supposed faux pas about lesser sanctioning for a minor incursion was trying to get Putin to choose a smaller (Donbass) instead of a full invasion, when Putin had decided to attack but was weighing the extent.

Recently, the Biden Admin has been warning repeatedly about the possible Russian use of chemical weapons.  Partly because the Russkies are already laying denial groundwork by claiming that Ukraine is preparing to use chemical weapons, along with some unverified intel that a sarin antidote is being delivered to some frontline Russian troops.  Biden is upping the ante and making it harder for Russia to use chemical warfare and get away with it.  This also plays into the war crimes rhetoric.

One consequence of all this is that Putin is more paranoid and isolated than before, distracted by trying to root out the leaker and/or mole, and how to stop the high-level US surveillance capability.  Already the defense minister, a close Putin chum, has disappeared.  A few FSB folks have been placed under house arrest.  Reshuffling your top echelon during a war isn't "propaganda."  Plenty of info has been confirmed, such as the dead Russian generals (5, likely 6 now), including the one whose corpse was captured by the Ukrainians and broadcast on TV.

The US has intercepted plenty of Russian military communications and knows what is going on, probably better than many Russian soldiers.  And no doubt passing plenty of useful intel through to the Ukrainians.  Plenty of evidence Russian army has been awful, including turning the Ukrainian highway into a tank parking lot for weeks.
Biden Admin has done a terrific job of messing with Putin via the unusual strategy of releasing usually classified military intel quickly.

I know kiid has severe trouble with specifics, but I'd like to hear what he considers propaganda in relation to the Ukraine War.


Actually I just popped in to share the political cartoon, since this forum got me back into political cartoons, mainly Josh.  I could care less what kiid's response is.

PS Impeach Clarence Thomas
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 26, 2022, 11:14:41 AM
The Russian army "struggles" reported could be propaganda, Bo.  I would be careful.

More pro-Russian propaganda from Kid.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 26, 2022, 11:57:03 AM
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 26, 2022, 11:58:47 AM
.MSNBC in.particular is keeping a somewhat inaccurate scorebook.  Gary Cohen would be appalled.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 26, 2022, 12:35:11 PM
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 26, 2022, 12:51:46 PM

Lindsey Graham's calls to assassinate Putin are dangerous because they could be interpreted as the U.S. advocating for his killing, one expert says.
Biden has labeled Putin as a 'war criminal,' but the White House emphasized that regime change is not US policy.
Putin is different from leaders the US has killed, like Qasem Soleimani and Osama bin Laden, because he's not considered a 'combatant' under US law in ongoing armed conflicts.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/03/19/lindsey-graham-comments-dangerous-vladimir-putin-assassination/7065075001/?gnt-cfr=1

Oh no must not say anything nasty about MR. Putin. Just like WWII pandering to a megalomaniac?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 26, 2022, 03:48:16 PM
Kiwanis International

1 hour

Kiwanis is serious about youth protection. That is why we have created a toll-free, confidential helpline that can be used 24 hours a day by Kiwanis family members and the youth we serve.

To access the U.S. helpline, call 866-607-SAFE (7233).

Learn more: https://bit.ly/31Y51Rn

---

The refugees need to have the telephone number for Kiwanis if they need help.

And the refugees need to work together as a team, like a commune of hippies, and like a tribe of Native American Indians, they need to all help each other. This is an emerency and it is not a time to be selfish. The smart people can teach the community and the smart people can be the leaders, and some people will know how to do business and they will be able to do business and create jobs, and some people will be able to cook, and some people can build housing, etc. They need to work together like a Tribe.

And as they work together as a Tribe they can make sure that the children and women are not abused, etc, and they can make sure that everyone has enough food to eat, etc. They need to help each other, and they need to work together as a team.

Groups such as Kiwanis can help, if people do not know of a way to help then they can join Kiwanis and help.

There is also UNICEF.

Here in the USA we have HUD to help with housing, and the SBA to help people to open businesses. The Federal Government is the largest buyer of goods and services in the world. We also have the Export - Import Bank of the United States to help people to open new businesses doing trade.

I thought about producing a television show about a hippie commune that sells flowers to San Francisco to teach people how to have a commune, we could bring in Cher and Meryl Streep to help. And Cheech and Chong. We need to teach the refugees how to share and how to help each other and how to protect each other.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 26, 2022, 04:07:20 PM

Lindsey Graham's calls to assassinate Putin are dangerous because they could be interpreted as the U.S. advocating for his killing, one expert says.
...

Oh no must not say anything nasty about MR. Putin. Just like WWII pandering to a megalomaniac?

Kill a dictator, empower an evil henchman.

Assassination of Hitler would have given us Himmler.   

At some point, you have to respect the rule of law, and find ways to make a maniac's governance untenable.  Unfortunately it's the only way to stop them.  And as others point out, what happens when we, the USA, say that EJ killings of foreign leaders are okay? 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 26, 2022, 06:50:51 PM

Lindsey Graham's calls to assassinate Putin are dangerous because they could be interpreted as the U.S. advocating for his killing, one expert says.
...

Oh no must not say anything nasty about MR. Putin. Just like WWII pandering to a megalomaniac?

Kill a dictator, empower an evil henchman.

Assassination of Hitler would have given us Himmler.   

At some point, you have to respect the rule of law, and find ways to make a maniac's governance untenable.  Unfortunately it's the only way to stop them.  And as others point out, what happens when we, the USA, say that EJ killings of foreign leaders are okay?

Hitler had a cult following, 2 years off his power would have saved tens of millions. This is the new reality the truly evil have to be removed. Putin is a throw back. Invading the Ukraine is insane on so many levels. Biden has called him a butcher says he has to be removed. What is the problem? He is going to a-bomb NYC! You are not allowed to assassinate a truly terrible human being and a threat to humanity?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 26, 2022, 07:24:10 PM
You're not allowed to hyperventilate and expect replies in a politics forum.  Two years off Hitler's span would have saved tens of millions?  A bizarre speculation and I doubt that very much.  Putin is going to "A-bomb" NYC?  Again, a pretty wild claim.  Do you have intel the rest of us don't? 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 26, 2022, 07:25:29 PM
Small-balled Prez, no doubt, Luee

"There are weapons the US could give Ukraine that would allow for them to defend its air space."

Overheard.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 26, 2022, 07:55:43 PM
Russia will need to replace its war dead, kid. You could flee there.

Or come get your taco and end your days in the sunshine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 26, 2022, 10:30:44 PM
The Russian army "struggles" reported could be propaganda, Bo.  I would be careful.

The " do we start a nuclear war" sentiment remains the issue.

32 days into shock and awe...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 26, 2022, 10:44:47 PM

World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. An estimated total of 70

World War II was the deadliest military conflict in history. An estimated total of 70
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 26, 2022, 10:56:23 PM
Anyhow check Wiki 75 to 85 million perished in WWII, knocking off 2 years easily would have saved tens of millions. After the fuhrer died the war ended in a hurry. Having some trouble copying and pasting.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 26, 2022, 11:01:24 PM
Biden is already walking it back. He did not mean to say anything nasty about Mr. Putin. Please don't bomb me.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 27, 2022, 08:44:46 AM
Biden is already walking it back. He did not mean to say anything nasty about Mr. Putin. Please don't bomb me.

heh

"Say THIS, Mr President."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 27, 2022, 06:47:46 PM
Kid and Luee are simple bitches who cannot follow policy.

Good thing the free world can overcome the ignorance of nitwits like you two.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 27, 2022, 07:03:04 PM
Anyhow check Wiki 75 to 85 million perished in WWII, knocking off 2 years easily would have saved tens of millions. After the fuhrer died the war ended in a hurry. Having some trouble copying and pasting.

the war was almost over before he died - speaking of checking the history.

There is a world of difference between "if Hitler were killed two years earlier than he killed himself" and "If WWII ended two years earlier..." Your assumptions of what would have happened had Hitler been assassinated are asinine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 28, 2022, 08:49:31 AM
"There is a world of difference between "if Hitler were killed two years earlier than he killed himself" and "If WWII ended two years earlier..." Your assumptions of what would have happened had Hitler been assassinated are asinine."



As are yours...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 28, 2022, 01:00:54 PM
"There is a world of difference between "if Hitler were killed two years earlier than he killed himself" and "If WWII ended two years earlier..." Your assumptions of what would have happened had Hitler been assassinated are asinine."



As are yours...

I have offered no assumptions about what would have happened other than that somebody else would have taken over.

What's asinine about that? This ought to be good.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 28, 2022, 01:02:10 PM
https://apnorc.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/Russia-March-Topline-1.pdf

Poll results.

I get the sense that the polled would (a) like us to be tougher on Russia and (b) like us to not get into a war with Russia.

Good luck finding the balance point between those!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 28, 2022, 01:25:04 PM
I think we are doing it.

At the time I wanted us to send Reapers, but the suicide drone tech actually makes more sense along with the other material being sent in. Less infrastructure and less tech at risk if one iOS captured.

Also the controversial and strategic statement he made about Putin strengthens the negotiating position of Ukraine at talks this week.

This level of intervention is giving You Ukraine a real chance of beating Russia on the ground and driving them into full retreat, if they can even manage one.

That said, more actions that can shorten the war and reduce the bloodshed without creating a Russian win are very welcome.

It is a major advantage that we have good people and not republicans leading the efforts.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 28, 2022, 03:57:19 PM
Actually there were 6 recorded attempts to assassinate Hitler,all messy and incompetent. The killer camps kept rolling, along with the daily round-ups and shootemups. Not counting military casualties.

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. Hiis replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 28, 2022, 05:09:15 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/28/politics/biden-putin-ukraine-russia/index.html

Biden reasserts his statement, but explains that it is not the country's policy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2022, 05:17:16 PM
".........help Ukraine where we can"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 28, 2022, 06:08:53 PM
Actually there were 6 recorded attempts to assassinate Hitler,all messy and incompetent. The killer camps kept rolling, along with the daily round-ups and shootemups. Not counting military casualties.

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. Hiis replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.
How about we supply the moral authority for someone to go after our President?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 28, 2022, 06:50:57 PM

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. His replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.

Reinhard Heydrich, Herman Goering, Heinrich Himmler, Josef Goebbels. Just for starters.  Though, monstrous as Heydrich was, he was not available after June 1942. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 28, 2022, 06:53:20 PM
And, no big surprise, umlauts also cause posts to truncate themselves.  Had to use the old-school version of Goering to get it to post.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 28, 2022, 07:35:34 PM
Adolf Hitler's cult of personality was a prominent feature of Nazi Germany (1933-1945)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_cult_of_personality

Putin?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 28, 2022, 07:36:39 PM
And, no big surprise, umlauts also cause posts to truncate themselves.  Had to use the old-school version of Goering to get it to post.

Hmm...

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 28, 2022, 08:17:34 PM
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/03/28/secret-weapon-putin-kremlin-silence-00020630

RFE and VOA are proving their value in the information war. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 28, 2022, 08:20:00 PM
I think we are doing it.

At the time I wanted us to send Reapers, but the suicide drone tech actually makes more sense along with the other material being sent in. Less infrastructure and less tech at risk if one iOS captured.

Also the controversial and strategic statement he made about Putin strengthens the negotiating position of Ukraine at talks this week.

This level of intervention is giving You Ukraine a real chance of beating Russia on the ground and driving them into full retreat, if they can even manage one.

That said, more actions that can shorten the war and reduce the bloodshed without creating a Russian win are very welcome.

It is a major advantage that we have good people and not republicans leading the efforts.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 28, 2022, 08:27:02 PM
Actually there were 6 recorded attempts to assassinate Hitler,all messy and incompetent. The killer camps kept rolling, along with the daily round-ups and shootemups. Not counting military casualties.

Someone should have learned from history. So what is the counter argument, he should not be subject to attack because he is a leader. Hiis replacement might be worse. He will get mad and destroy humanity?

I find the statement about the Nazis finding a human being worse than Hiter is hilarius.

No one had to be worse than Hitler because if he had been assassinated in April 1943 he would have gone at the top of his game and would have been considered a martyr and that much closer to God than he was in flesh.

Then the professional Nazi officer corps would have waged a different campaign and not made the colossal and almost inexplicable fuck ups Hitler made from late 1943 on.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 28, 2022, 08:48:55 PM
I am more concerned about dealing with his offspring like Vlad, donald, Cotton, DeSantis, Kemp, and Uncle Thomas.
Title: No Nukes Because of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 29, 2022, 02:04:00 AM
Quote
Russia would only use nuclear weapons when there is a threat to the country's existence - and not as a result of the ongoing war in Ukraine, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told PBS Newshour in an interview Monday.

"Any outcome of the operation (in Ukraine), of course, is not a reason for usage of a nuclear weapon," Peskov said. "We have a security concept that very clearly states that only when there is a threat for existence of the state, in our country, we can use and we will actually use nuclear weapons to eliminate the threat for the existence of our country."

When asked about US President Joe Biden's comments calling Vladimir Putin a "butcher" and declaring the Russian President should no longer remain in power, Peskov said "it is quite alarming."

"It is personal insult," Peskov said. "Of course, it is completely unacceptable. It is not for the United States' President to decide who is going to be and who is the president of the Russian Federation."

Some context: At an address in Poland on Saturday, Biden made an improvised comment - "For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power" - that caught American and international officials off-guard, sending the White House into clean-up mode over the weekend.

Civilian targets denial: In the PBS interview, Peskov denied that Russian forces had deliberately targeted civilians in Ukraine - despite Ukrainian forces, journalists, and refugees fleeing the country describing brutal bombardments striking civilian infrastructure including homes, schools, hospitals and more.

"They are not shelling houses. They are not shelling apartments. They are not shelling civil objects," Peskov said. "They are only shelling and they're aiming of military infrastructure."

The US officially declared last week that Russian forces had committed war crimes in Ukraine. The International Criminal Court in The Hague has also launched an investigation into the invasion.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 29, 2022, 10:22:58 AM
Josh -

I propose we change the name of this forum to "Russia s Invasion of Elba".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 29, 2022, 11:39:17 AM
Josh -

I propose we change the name of this forum to "Russia s Invasion of Elba".

With me as NATO/US refusing to do everything I could to fend off the attacks, leaving you all to deal with Kid's daily posts?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 29, 2022, 11:49:07 AM
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-29-22/h_05b5d57fd38ef2bd90c0be7fb3481f4a

Russia says they will "drastically reduce military activity" on two fronts - Kyiv and Chernihiv.

Several hours later, a spokesman noted that this "is not a ceasefire."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 29, 2022, 06:23:11 PM
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-29-22/h_05b5d57fd38ef2bd90c0be7fb3481f4a

Russia says they will "drastically reduce military activity" on two fronts - Kyiv and Chernihiv.

Several hours later, a spokesman noted that this "is not a ceasefire."

Watch what they do, not what they say. The Russian leadership lies every fucking day.

They build up force on the borders for like two years and said We will not invade three days before they launched the war.

Biden is right.

They
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 29, 2022, 06:56:06 PM
As expected, the 'Russian rape hordes' have been killing and raping;

https://www.newsweek.com/ukrainian-woman-russian-soldiers-raped-killed-husband-1692816 (https://www.newsweek.com/ukrainian-woman-russian-soldiers-raped-killed-husband-1692816)


Ukrainians could be forgiven for turning into savage wild beasts at the sight of Russian soldiers.

Are you allowed to capture Russian soldiers and rape them in the town square...or roast them alive over a spit like pigs, then feed them to your dogs?
Title: Re: No Nukes Because of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 29, 2022, 07:04:02 PM
Quote
Russia would only use nuclear weapons when there is a threat to the country's existence - and not as a result of the ongoing war in Ukraine, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told PBS Newshour in an interview Monday.

"Any outcome of the operation (in Ukraine), of course, is not a reason for usage of a nuclear weapon," Peskov said. "We have a security concept that very clearly states that only when there is a threat for existence of the state, in our country, we can use and we will actually use nuclear weapons to eliminate the threat for the existence of our country."

When asked about US President Joe Biden's comments calling Vladimir Putin a "butcher" and declaring the Russian President should no longer remain in power, Peskov said "it is quite alarming."

"It is personal insult," Peskov said. "Of course, it is completely unacceptable. It is not for the United States' President to decide who is going to be and who is the president of the Russian Federation."

Some context: At an address in Poland on Saturday, Biden made an improvised comment - "For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power" - that caught American and international officials off-guard, sending the White House into clean-up mode over the weekend.

Civilian targets denial: In the PBS interview, Peskov denied that Russian forces had deliberately targeted civilians in Ukraine - despite Ukrainian forces, journalists, and refugees fleeing the country describing brutal bombardments striking civilian infrastructure including homes, schools, hospitals and more.

"They are not shelling houses. They are not shelling apartments. They are not shelling civil objects," Peskov said. "They are only shelling and they're aiming of military infrastructure."

The US officially declared last week that Russian forces had committed war crimes in Ukraine. The International Criminal Court in The Hague has also launched an investigation into the invasion.

Peskov is a liar.
I see the apartment buildings blown to bits every night on my tv news.

Oh go Joe!  many people believe Putin is a butcher.
What's alarming is Russia's cruel invasion, its slaughtering of innocent people, and bombing destruction of the country.
Even more alarming is that Peskov and his ilk think Putin should remain as President of Russia. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 29, 2022, 07:06:58 PM
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-29-22/h_05b5d57fd38ef2bd90c0be7fb3481f4a

Russia says they will "drastically reduce military activity" on two fronts - Kyiv and Chernihiv.

Several hours later, a spokesman noted that this "is not a ceasefire."

It is not a ceasefire, it's a reduction.
Beware, trickery could be afoot.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 29, 2022, 07:08:17 PM
They are trying to stay out of the basement and avoid performance reviews.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 29, 2022, 07:10:42 PM
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/ukraine-russia-putin-news-03-29-22/h_05b5d57fd38ef2bd90c0be7fb3481f4a

Russia says they will "drastically reduce military activity" on two fronts - Kyiv and Chernihiv.

Several hours later, a spokesman noted that this "is not a ceasefire."

It is not a ceasefire, it's a reduction.
Beware, trickery could be afoot.

It is an acknowledgment the Russians have failed on those fronts and are pulling back what survives before the Russian forces in those areas are further destroyed. Hit them hard while they organize their disorganized retreat.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 29, 2022, 08:10:49 PM
They butcher you, you butcher them right back. If you butcher them sadistically enough, they might just stop butchering you.
It's fair enough in my eyes.
See Russia and the Taliban having war crimes tribunals?   LOL
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 29, 2022, 09:04:20 PM
Josh -

I propose we change the name of this forum to "Russia s Invasion of Elba".

  "Putin at Elba was, I saw, able.  Tan it up!"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 30, 2022, 12:17:18 AM
Josh -

I propose we change the name of this forum to "Russia s Invasion of Elba".

With me as NATO/US refusing to do everything I could to fend off the attacks, leaving you all to deal with Kid's daily posts?

They are as well planned and as successful as a Russian supply line, those daily posts.

Here is a riddle,

What do the hopes and dreams of Kid have in common with a growing number of Russian generals?

The answer has something to do with sunflowers.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 30, 2022, 08:50:46 AM
Josh -

I propose we change the name of this forum to "Russia s Invasion of Elba".

  "Putin at Elba was, I saw, able.  Tan it up!"
Interestingly, "Lipsomal Colostrum Whirlpool" was the name of my punk band, back in my college days.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 30, 2022, 10:25:05 AM
Sounds like an expensive spa treatment.  (Liposomal Colostrum Whirlpool, that is.)

Meanwhile, Russians continue to be lying shitweasels...

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-zelenskyy-roman-abramovich-kyiv-europe-ef9c28c44f94b34262fe6b7c296d58a6

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 30, 2022, 12:11:54 PM
 Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraines chief of defense intelligence, warned last weekend that Moscow will try to pull the occupied territories into a single quasi-state structure and pit it against independent Ukraine. He compared the Russian endgame to the splitting of the Korean Peninsula in the 1950s. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on March 30, 2022, 12:34:56 PM
Gen. Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraines chief of defense intelligence, warned last weekend that Moscow will try to pull the occupied territories into a single quasi-state structure and pit it against independent Ukraine. He compared the Russian endgame to the splitting of the Korean Peninsula in the 1950s.

If he actually wants closure on this, then Korea is a bad model to follow.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 30, 2022, 04:31:28 PM
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 30, 2022, 06:20:32 PM
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html


Yeah...

I believe this is a bit of overthinking the situation...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 30, 2022, 08:42:22 PM
He will take it and call it a win and his plan all along if Ukraine lets him. So far they are saying no and killing his army. I think this is a good policy for Ukraine to pursue as it feels able. We should give Ukraine more and better armaments faster to help with the work.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on March 31, 2022, 09:48:45 AM
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html


Yeah...

I believe this is a bit of overthinking the situation...

Russia is a nation of ferocious chess players.  Just saying it might be good not to underestimate them. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on March 31, 2022, 11:36:25 AM
I find this alternate interpretation of Putin's strategy to be disturbingly plausible....

https://archive.ph/2022.03.30-020554/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/29/opinion/ukraine-war-putin.html


Yeah...

I believe this is a bit of overthinking the situation...

Russia is a nation of ferocious chess players.  Just saying it might be good not to underestimate them.

Or overestimate same
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 31, 2022, 07:54:43 PM
Keep sending Ukraine the latest missiles, and every other thing they need to kill as many Russian invaders as possible as quickly as possible.
Surface to air missiles, anti-tank missiles, drones that can be used to attack anything Russian that comes over the border.
What Russia has done is totally evil.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 01, 2022, 01:11:25 AM
Russian Troops Suffer

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/01/russians-fled-chernobyl-with-radiation-sickness-says-ukraine-as-iaea-investigates
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 01, 2022, 03:06:24 AM
may their eyeballs pop out and their dicks turn to dust.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 01, 2022, 09:45:52 AM
Young men from poverty, for whom joining the Russian Army may be the only option other than rotting away on the dole. It is the sociopaths running things and feeding them lies you should save your curses for.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2022, 10:11:02 AM
UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 10:54:44 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/01/europe/russia-ukraine-belgorod-fire-intl/index.html

Poor poor Russia.

That they are complaining Ukraine did such a thing and suggesting that somehow this might interfere with negotiations is beyond absurd and seems like a demand for Ukraine to do more of the same.

Russia should be glad it was a fuel depot and not a government building, an apartment complex, or a hospital or theater. I know I am - and I would love to see more fuel depots hit and perhaps some bridges - rail bridges seem like a good idea.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 01, 2022, 12:31:27 PM
UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?

Got Germany to back halting Nordstream 2 and got Scholz to commit more than helmets to Ukraine, Putin fluffer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 01, 2022, 01:02:17 PM
UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?
Joe has approved billions in military aid, mostly in the Javelin/Stinger type of weapons that have been so successful in destroying Russian tanks, armored vehicles, copters and Jets. And all without demanding Zelenskyy provide dirt on a political rival as a condition of aid.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 01, 2022, 01:34:34 PM
Young men from poverty, for whom joining the Russian Army may be the only option other than rotting away on the dole. It is the sociopaths running things and feeding them lies you should save your curses for.

No longer such a thing as a free pass for war criminals in uniform just following orders.

Bartov also wrote that German film-makers liked to show the heroic last stand of the 6th Army at Stalingrad, but none has so far showed the 6th Army's massive co-operation with the Einsatzgruppen in murdering Soviet Jews in 1941 during its march across the Ukraine.[174] Likewise, Bartov commented that German films tended to dwell on the suffering of the 6th Army during the Battle of Stalingrad and its aftermath without reflecting on the fact that it was the Germans who invaded the Soviet Union and that the Russians were fighting to defend their country.[174]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Postwar_views
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 01, 2022, 01:49:35 PM
Please excuse my moment of compassion for young men used as cannon fodder and dying hideous deaths from radiation sickness! 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 01, 2022, 03:31:46 PM
UKRAINE ATTACKS!

Wow - didnt see this coming.

Germany sends 56 tanks.

Joe?
Joe has approved billions in military aid, mostly in the Javelin/Stinger type of weapons that have been so successful in destroying Russian tanks, armored vehicles, copters and Jets. And all without demanding Zelenskyy provide dirt on a political rival as a condition of aid.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 01, 2022, 05:57:06 PM

The gruesome scenes on the road were more than simply the terrible deaths of human beings who had become victims of President Putin's decision to invade. It is also a crime scene, with evidence that should be collected and preserved for an investigation whenever this war ends.

Under the laws of war civilians are protected, and when they are killed in defiance of those laws, their deaths amount to war crimes.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60949791

No compassion for criminals in uniform.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 02, 2022, 11:09:28 AM
https://archive.ph/2022.04.01-122716/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/opinion/biden-putin-ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

Looking at Vlads implied threats of tactical nuking.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 02, 2022, 11:44:57 AM
https://archive.ph/2022.04.01-122716/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/opinion/biden-putin-ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

Looking at Vlads implied threats of tactical nuking.

Do you find yourself agreeing with the author?

It all makes perfect sense to me up until the day that Putin authorizes use of their tactical nukes, whereupon the recommended strategy's weakness becomes overwhelmingly clear.

Or as the saying goes, "one nuke can ruin your whole day."

Another opinion piece expressed the sentiment that Ukraine's strike into Russia, hitting the fuel depot, was Biden's worst nightmare. The thinking there is that by demonstrating the capacity to attack Russia rather than just defending against the Russian military, the Ukrainians have met the condition of threatening Russia's existence as a nation.

Is that claim a stretch?! Sure. Of course it is. But this whole conflict is being waged on dubious pretexts. (See also: Mexico reclaims California, et al.)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 02, 2022, 01:09:06 PM
Putin is in a pretty bad space. He claims to be a historian but he is making the same mistakes made during the Great Patriotic War... by the Nazis.

Interesting to see how the Hungarian election plays out.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 02, 2022, 02:53:45 PM
https://archive.ph/2022.04.01-122716/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/01/opinion/biden-putin-ukraine-nuclear-weapons.html

Looking at Vlads implied threats of tactical nuking.

Do you find yourself agreeing with the author?

It all makes perfect sense to me up until the day that Putin authorizes use of their tactical nukes, whereupon the recommended strategy's weakness becomes overwhelmingly clear.

Or as the saying goes, "one nuke can ruin your whole day."

Another opinion piece expressed the sentiment that Ukraine's strike into Russia, hitting the fuel depot, was Biden's worst nightmare. The thinking there is that by demonstrating the capacity to attack Russia rather than just defending against the Russian military, the Ukrainians have met the condition of threatening Russia's existence as a nation.

Is that claim a stretch?! Sure. Of course it is. But this whole conflict is being waged on dubious pretexts. (See also: Mexico reclaims California, et al.)

I am skeptical of my posted article, because of that ruin your whole day factor.  We don't have lots of data points on what Putin has done in similar situations because the Ukraine attack is unlike those past ones.  And the author doesn't have a clear view of Putin as a rational actor.  Is he a cool head sitting at a long table...or a man on a ledge who will need delicately talking down? 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 02, 2022, 03:10:57 PM
Commitment is an act, not a word.

Jean-Paul Sartre
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 03, 2022, 01:41:43 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/02/ukrainian-children-used-as-human-shields-near-kyiv-say-witness-reports)

The GOP let Manafort back in the door. A large amount of this blood is on their hands.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 03, 2022, 11:01:06 AM
https://archive.ph/2022.04.03-110001/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/03/world/europe/ukraine-war-russia-trostyanets.html

Life and death under Russian occupation. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 03, 2022, 08:03:11 PM
In spite of his cozying with Putin, and the disruption of Ukraine, looks like Orban kept tight control of Hungarian media and kept people fearful of losing Russian oil and gas (not hard to do, given the country's dependence on that) and beat the six party coalition against him.  The propaganda machine makes goulash of the opposition.  Look out democratic norms, LGBT folks, journalists, minorities!  The only votes not tampered with will be possibly Liszt or Brahms, rhapsody or dance.  I'm leaning towards Brahms....

https://youtu.be/HCDygl0pttM

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 03, 2022, 08:19:15 PM
I withdraw that last bit.  Liszt by a landslide!

https://youtu.be/ALqOKq0M6ho

Venezuelans must have tampered with my earbuds.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 03, 2022, 09:53:50 PM
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 04, 2022, 02:58:29 PM
The slaughter in Bucha has EU looking at their red line on oil and gas...

https://archive.ph/XwYW7

The government declined to comment on allegations from Polands prime minister that Germany is the main roadblock to tougher sanctions.

There is widespread outrage in Germany, and German politicians will be forced to do something, but they dont want to do something that will hurt Germany, Dirsus said. There are no good options left. Massive sanctions would do damage to Germany. But do nothing and you are complicit. (Dirsus)

Russia has demanded that unfriendly countries pay for gas in rubles, or risk getting no gas at all. You almost get the impression that they want Putin to pull the plug for them, Dirsus added. Pressure would die down and they wouldnt be responsible for all the misery.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 04, 2022, 04:12:13 PM
The slaughter in Bucha has EU looking at their red line on oil and gas...

https://archive.ph/XwYW7

The government declined to comment on allegations from Polands prime minister that Germany is the main roadblock to tougher sanctions.

There is widespread outrage in Germany, and German politicians will be forced to do something, but they dont want to do something that will hurt Germany, Dirsus said. There are no good options left. Massive sanctions would do damage to Germany. But do nothing and you are complicit. (Dirsus)

Russia has demanded that unfriendly countries pay for gas in rubles, or risk getting no gas at all. You almost get the impression that they want Putin to pull the plug for them, Dirsus added. Pressure would die down and they wouldnt be responsible for all the misery.

Fake news, right?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 04, 2022, 05:18:30 PM
Ukraine had security guarantees.
Look what's happened.
Other countries with security guarantees are watching what's happening to Ukraine and basically crying. Crying for Ukraine, and crying for themselves and what the slaughter in Ukraine means for them.
They are looking at their families and knowing they will be all blown to bits in their homes by the invaders.
They foolishly signed nuclear non-proliferation treaties, believing in the UN and alliances.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 04, 2022, 09:08:22 PM
Send them jet planes give the brave ukes a chance Joe. You already rightfully called Putin a war criminal! A little 12 o clock high over the Kremlin would end the war in a hurry.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 04, 2022, 09:42:44 PM
No it wouldn't you lunatic. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 04, 2022, 10:10:05 PM
Send them jet planes give the brave ukes a chance Joe. You already rightfully called Putin a war criminal! A little 12 o clock high over the Kremlin would end the war in a hurry.

Hey, then we could possibly kill one war criminal and create a new one!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 05, 2022, 12:42:20 AM
It is a crime to see Ukraine being destroyed innocents killed and to only seize a yacht or two and declare another useless sanction.
Old Mr. compromise just is not good enough.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 05, 2022, 01:58:00 AM
Better than the old mr. Belly-up who preceded him.

Get on a plane to Poland, luee. Then head east and see if your ass can cash that check.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 05, 2022, 03:32:26 AM
Better than the old mr. Belly-up who preceded him.

Get on a plane to Poland, luee. Then head east and see if your ass can cash that check.

Huh! Too abstract. Members of both parties are now asking for more help for the Ukraine. Enough of the platitudes and walk back speeches.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 05, 2022, 03:35:33 AM
Thanks for the platitude. Packed yet?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 05, 2022, 03:41:11 AM
---President Joe Biden said evidence needs to be gathered to put Russian leader Vladimir Putin on trial for war crimes related to his nation
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 05, 2022, 05:09:21 AM
Nothing, absolutely nothing will happen to Putin.
You watch.

Russian soldiers are scum of the earth...torturing and murdering adults and children.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 05, 2022, 11:24:56 AM
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/05/1090989328/australia-steps-up-missile-upgrade-due-to-growing-threats-from-china-and-russia

Here's something to help uncurl you from that foetal position. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 05, 2022, 11:30:09 AM
It is a crime to see Ukraine being destroyed innocents killed and to only seize a yacht or two and declare another useless sanction.
Old Mr. compromise just is not good enough.

Remember, as Luee deliberately misrepresents what is going on that Luee was telling us how we should do nothing in the weeks before the invasion because there would be no invasion and Biden, et all, were jumping at shadows.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 05, 2022, 11:32:44 AM
Nothing, absolutely nothing will happen to Putin.
You watch.

We'll watch, Bambu.

Unlike Luee, we're not hopping a flight to Poland to go fight in the war, so watching is what we are left with.

But unless Putin kills himself, I would be surprised if he did not stand trial for war crimes - it just won't be fast enough.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 05, 2022, 11:44:24 AM
It is a crime to see Ukraine being destroyed innocents killed and to only seize a yacht or two and declare another useless sanction.
Old Mr. compromise just is not good enough.

Remember, as Luee deliberately misrepresents what is going on that Luee was telling us how we should do nothing in the weeks before the invasion because there would be no invasion and Biden, et all, were jumping at shadows.
Well now, luee also told us Ukrainians were Nazis.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 05, 2022, 12:14:41 PM
It is a crime to see Ukraine being destroyed innocents killed and to only seize a yacht or two and declare another useless sanction.
Old Mr. compromise just is not good enough.

Remember, as Luee deliberately misrepresents what is going on that Luee was telling us how we should do nothing in the weeks before the invasion because there would be no invasion and Biden, et all, were jumping at shadows.
Well now, luee also told us Ukrainians were Nazis.

To be fair, there are neo-nazis in Ukraine, with some of the most effective anti-Russian troops, according to news reports.

The invasion is only making them stronger.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 05, 2022, 12:18:26 PM
Stopping Putin's war  machine is really going to require the EU to fully ban all fossil fuels from Russia.  Which means everyone in a household sharing a reading light, handwashing dishes, streaming the web on small screens instead of giant plasma, turning down furnace, donning sweaters, etc.  Real economic war requires sacrifice and discipline.  And also gets people in practice for saving some of the polar caps and low lying cities and dryland forests. Americans should do the same.  Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on April 05, 2022, 12:38:24 PM
Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.
For one thing a SUV is safer than a car, especially for those parents who haul kids as cargo.
Which runs in the tens of millions. Also higher resale value.
As for trucks, pickups with upscale trim packages do a better job of being luxury cars than many luxury cars.
And have way higher resale values. Checkout a GMC Denali sub-brand, a Ram Laramie Longhorn  or a Ford with platinum trim.
They have massive infotainment touchscreens, and pack a ton of convenience tech including cameras for reversing, parking, towing, and seeing trails.
The current F150 can basically be a mobile luxury lounge with 180-degree flat-folding seats and a center console with a fold-down work table.

In short, pay attention.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 05, 2022, 12:57:49 PM
Stopping Putin's war  machine is really going to require the EU to fully ban all fossil fuels from Russia.  Which means everyone in a household sharing a reading light, handwashing dishes, streaming the web on small screens instead of giant plasma, turning down furnace, donning sweaters, etc.  Real economic war requires sacrifice and discipline.  And also gets people in practice for saving some of the polar caps and low lying cities and dryland forests. Americans should do the same.  Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.

I run my dishwasher every night because it saves a ton of water compared to hand washing.

But I get where you are coming from.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 05, 2022, 01:07:25 PM
Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.
For one thing a SUV is safer than a car, especially for those parents who haul kids as cargo.
Which runs in the tens of millions. Also higher resale value.
As for trucks, pickups with upscale trim packages do a better job of being luxury cars than many luxury cars.
And have way higher resale values. Checkout a GMC Denali sub-brand, a Ram Laramie Longhorn  or a Ford with platinum trim.
They have massive infotainment touchscreens, and pack a ton of convenience tech including cameras for reversing, parking, towing, and seeing trails.
The current F150 can basically be a mobile luxury lounge with 180-degree flat-folding seats and a center console with a fold-down work table.

In short, pay attention.

Do not bitch about gas prices if you are gonna drive an F-150 that gets 24 mpg highway and 18 mpg city.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 05, 2022, 01:46:00 PM
The Rivan makes the F-150 look and perform like an Edsel by comparison. Red lives with one foot in the grave and his only pleasure is trying to drag the rest of us in there with him.

The Germans have start to mass produce Sulfur-graphene batteries that do away with cobalt, manganese, and aluminum while also reducing lithium in their manufacture. They are getting 2 to 3 times the energy density of of current Lithium ion tech. The roll out is starting in aerospace and personal electronics markets and is scheduled to reach EVs and home, commercial, and municipal storage markets some time in 2024. It is curtains for OPEC+1. This is the last decade they have any relevance whatsoever.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 05, 2022, 02:27:47 PM
Why, for example, are 70% of new vehicles sold in the US trucks and SUVs?  Most of them, if you watch cars in your town, are not hauling cargo or large groups or going off-road. 

False marketing created a desire for something few people really need, outside of contractors and park rangers.  It's as if we are regressing from the ecological awareness of the seventies.   Everyone thinks someone else will solve these problems.  Government can't fix this, WE have to fix it, every single one of us.
For one thing a SUV is safer than a car, especially for those parents who haul kids as cargo.
Which runs in the tens of millions. Also higher resale value.
As for trucks, pickups with upscale trim packages do a better job of being luxury cars than many luxury cars.
And have way higher resale values. Checkout a GMC Denali sub-brand, a Ram Laramie Longhorn  or a Ford with platinum trim.
They have massive infotainment touchscreens, and pack a ton of convenience tech including cameras for reversing, parking, towing, and seeing trails.
The current F150 can basically be a mobile luxury lounge with 180-degree flat-folding seats and a center console with a fold-down work table.

In short, pay attention.

Thank you for making Barton's point.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 05, 2022, 02:41:21 PM
Joe wants more evidence before the US makes a strong commitment. Hint, without planes Putin wins! Having a delusional narcissist with a low value of life as the leader of a modern nation is untenable. A victory by the Ukraine over the eastern horde would be truly a wonderful thing. Timidity during the last century cost an estimated 80 million lives.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 05, 2022, 03:54:11 PM
Joe wants more evidence before the US makes a strong commitment. Hint, without planes Putin wins! Having a delusional narcissist with a low value of life as the leader of a modern nation is untenable.
Oh, I do not know about "untenable". We made it through four years of it from 2017 to 2021 after all.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 05, 2022, 05:11:55 PM
Most experts did not expect a full out invasion until the final weeks. Russia without nukes is not a major war nation, despite victories over the primitives in Syria and Chechnya. If they take over the Ukraine it is a different story. Similar to Nazi takeover of Czechoslovakia? Putin does seem to be using the Nazi roadmap.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 05, 2022, 05:33:52 PM
Most experts did not expect a full out invasion until the final weeks. Russia without nukes is not a major war nation, despite victories over the primitives in Syria and Chechnya. If they take over the Ukraine it is a different story. Similar to Nazi takeover of Czechoslovakia? Putin does seem to be using the Nazi roadmap.
Or, Catherine the Great's.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2022, 08:59:43 PM
Biden wins in 2024 if he marches our troops into Ukraine and saves what is left of  that nation.


Easy win.


Someone is already telling him this.  Others will come forth soon.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 05, 2022, 09:11:30 PM
No we are talking total war and genocide, a different ballgame. Planes, missiles and wmd. Catherine the Great?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 05, 2022, 10:55:11 PM
Most experts did not expect a full out invasion until the final weeks. Russia without nukes is not a major war nation, despite victories over the primitives in Syria and Chechnya. If they take over the Ukraine it is a different story. Similar to Nazi takeover of Czechoslovakia? Putin does seem to be using the Nazi roadmap.

Ah, you're one of "most experts?"

The "most experts" I followed expected invasion of the east, at a minimum - which was still more than you granted was likely to happen.

Now you're sure he won't use nukes if the US or NATO gets involved.

Pardon me, Nostrildamus, if I find your predictive ability is snot reliable.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 05, 2022, 10:56:20 PM
Biden wins in 2024 if he marches our troops into Ukraine and saves what is left of  that nation.

Bullshit.

And as soon as he would do such a thing, your party will be all over him for yet another set of made up reasons.

Same old same old.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 05, 2022, 11:33:15 PM
They are already there, Josh

http://www.thebulwark.com/whos-soft-on-russia-meet-the-republican-anti-ukraine-caucus/ (http://www.thebulwark.com/whos-soft-on-russia-meet-the-republican-anti-ukraine-caucus/)

The fifth column will control the republican party if it is given any power.

A kick to the balls of the GOP brings tears to the eye of Putin and the Russian bear.

Vote Democrat, Liberty, and the cool hand of Law and Justice.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 05, 2022, 11:51:07 PM
Enter electric pickup trucks.
High towing capacity, high performance.
Problem solved.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 06, 2022, 01:16:22 AM
Adam Kinzinger agrees with Fac.

Quote
"The world order is being challenged for the first time since World War II and they're sitting around thinking today about how we can win our next election, what the newest outrage is, what's the next thing we can do to get people angry and upset and get their money from them for our reelection," he says in the video.

He called his party members children.

He referenced McCarthy and Tucker C by name, but he was sweeping far more broadly than that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 06, 2022, 01:21:25 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/russians-burned-swastikas-into-victims-bodies-report/

Pictures and first hand witnesses.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 06, 2022, 10:43:05 AM
Biden wins in 2024 if he marches our troops into Ukraine and saves what is left of  that nation.

Easy win.

Someone is already telling him this.  Others will come forth soon.

Who is someone?  I can see those arguing for a no-fly zone, which itself threatens a massive escalation to world war, but not troops and.artillery.  NATO troops in Ukraine would move Vlads needle to "desperate" and their "existential threat" criterion for using nukes (as the Russians have recently laid out for us) would be met.  Do you really want to see beautiful 1500 year old cities turned to smoking craters?   Been enough of that already, one would think.  There are no winners in a nuclear conflict, and vast areas would become wastelands for centuries, or milllennia. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 06, 2022, 11:23:46 AM
Biden wins in 2024 if he marches our troops into Ukraine and saves what is left of  that nation.

Easy win.

Someone is already telling him this.  Others will come forth soon.

Who is someone?  I can see those arguing for a no-fly zone, which itself threatens a massive escalation to world war, but not troops and.artillery.  NATO troops in Ukraine would move Vlads needle to "desperate" and their "existential threat" criterion for using nukes (as the Russians have recently laid out for us) would be met.  Do you really want to see beautiful 1500 year old cities turned to smoking craters?   Been enough of that already, one would think.  There are no winners in a nuclear conflict, and vast areas would become wastelands for centuries, or milllennia.

Fortunately, humanity won't make it that far, if we keep pushing the climate...

</tongue-in-cheek on adverb>
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2022, 11:39:16 AM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.

His forces (as I said - its the generals that are whack jobs) at this point must be stopped.

So lets fucking go!   
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 06, 2022, 12:00:13 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.


Provide evidence to support that assertion. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 06, 2022, 12:00:38 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.
To paraphrase something JFK said during the Cuban Missle Crisis, the thing about this view is, if you are wrong, there will be nobody left to say I told you so.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 06, 2022, 12:12:15 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.

His forces (as I said - its the generals that are whack jobs) at this point must be stopped.

So lets fucking go!

Ukraine does not need NATO boots on the ground or EU fighter planes.

They need high altitude SAMs, more killer drones and most of all a bunch of ASMs.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 06, 2022, 02:29:36 PM
Interesting interview about Russian society




https://the.ink/p/is-this-how-russia-ends?s=r&utm_medium=web
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 06, 2022, 02:47:03 PM
The military culture also seems tenuous....

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/bucha-ukraine-bodies-russian-military-crimes/629485/

What we are seeing is likely something much more familiar, and much more universal - - These sorts of crimes occur when military organizations are committed into combat without clear, achievable objectives, and without a professional noncommissioned-officer corps to enforce discipline within the ranks. They are what happens when military organizations are not held to account for their actions, when soldiers, after seeing the deaths of their friends in the face of unforeseen resistance, resort to savagery, and when the guardrails to prevent such a descent into inhumanity are absent... 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2022, 05:00:09 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.


Provide evidence to support that assertion.

You cannot prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 06, 2022, 05:26:46 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.


Provide evidence to support that assertion.

You cannot prove me wrong.
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.
To paraphrase something JFK said during the Cuban Missle Crisis, the thing about this view is, if you are wrong, there will be nobody left to say I told you so.
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 06, 2022, 08:35:04 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.


Provide evidence to support that assertion.

You cannot prove me wrong.

  You are making a bold assertion of knowledge that you cannot possibly have.  So the ball's in your court.  Show us from where you were able to observe Putin's thoughts. Or some trustworthy source who has and you find credible.  When you make a statement in a political discussion, simply asking for credulous belief without any facts doesn't fly. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 06, 2022, 09:23:17 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.


Provide evidence to support that assertion.

You cannot prove me wrong.

  You are making a bold assertion of knowledge that you cannot possibly have.  So the ball's in your court.  Show us from where you were able to observe Putin's thoughts. Or some trustworthy source who has and you find credible.  When you make a statement in a political discussion, simply asking for credulous belief without any facts doesn't fly.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp73CJyCp5Q
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 06, 2022, 09:41:04 PM
I wouldn't say bold.  No.

Heard similar some time back re N Korea.  And of Trump as we

'44 was a one time thing.  Devastation to never be seen again
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 06, 2022, 09:52:54 PM
Putin wants  no part of dropping he next nuclear bomb.


Provide evidence to support that assertion.

You cannot prove me wrong.

To quote Ward, "So?"

We could prove you wrong in one of three ways:
1) He orders the use of a nuke (even tactical).
2) He writes that he is leaning toward using one (or more) publicly.
3) One of his subordinate exposes that intention, either preventing it or after the conflict is ended.

You, on the other hand, have absolutely no way to prove you are right and his words thus far don't support your position.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 06, 2022, 10:03:46 PM
Obviously the surface to air missiles sent to Ukraine don't work...Russian planes are still bombing.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 06, 2022, 10:32:58 PM
You all should buckle up.

The USA is at war with Russia and is kicking ass without the USA firing weapons and this conflict will go on for quite sometime.

Do not forget Putin picked this fight with the intention of wiping away the nation of Ukraine and he believed his own press and has fucked up royally.

Putins intention of projecting power beyond the borders of Russia is a dead issue and he will be lucky if he doesn
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2022, 10:48:04 PM
Just a nation of white folk, eh, Larry?

No matter.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 06, 2022, 11:20:22 PM
There are no white folk, kid. Let go of your fairytales. Earth two is a bigger con than your extended vehicle warranty and good military order in the Russian army.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 07, 2022, 01:55:32 AM
 When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.
The American people have no appetite for losing more of their precious children in wars in Europe...again...and who can blame them for feeling like that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 07, 2022, 05:42:10 AM
Ukrainian President has requested Aussie 'Bushmaster' armoured vehicles.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-04/australian-armoured-vehicles-bushmasters-ukraine-ar/100965042 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-04/australian-armoured-vehicles-bushmasters-ukraine-ar/100965042)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 07, 2022, 11:52:56 AM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 11:54:41 AM
Bravo, Australia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 12:21:00 PM
The latest package shows that the assistance for Ukraine is evolving after weeks of fighting, as the United States and its partners learn more about Moscows assault tactics and Kyivs capabilities. The Pentagon said it has committed more than $1.6 billion in security assistance since Russias invasion.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/pentagon-300-million-ukraine-aid/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 07, 2022, 12:37:39 PM
http://www.salon.com/2022/04/07/the-putin-caucus-in-congress-undermines-biden--while-some-americans-risk-their-lives-in-ukraine/ (http://www.salon.com/2022/04/07/the-putin-caucus-in-congress-undermines-biden--while-some-americans-risk-their-lives-in-ukraine/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 07, 2022, 12:50:29 PM
https://palace.navalny.com/

(right-click to translate, or use the button at bottom of page, depending on your browser)

Where Putin and all his corrupt networks came from.  Fascinating stuff.  There's a two hour video (gone viral recently) that covers all this, but I like the text version which you can skip around in, if you just have a few minutes) 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 01:15:03 PM
The latest package shows that the assistance for Ukraine is evolving after weeks of fighting, as the United States and its partners learn more about Moscows assault tactics and Kyivs capabilities. The Pentagon said it has committed more than $1.6 billion in security assistance since Russias invasion.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/pentagon-300-million-ukraine-aid/

Bravo, US as well

But we knew this.  A total no brainer.

What else can be done?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 07, 2022, 01:51:45 PM
Take down one Moscow parroting media outlet a day until the last Russian thug is out of Ukraine. Start with Fox.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 07, 2022, 02:34:59 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 02:44:04 PM
The latest package shows that the assistance for Ukraine is evolving after weeks of fighting, as the United States and its partners learn more about Moscows assault tactics and Kyivs capabilities. The Pentagon said it has committed more than $1.6 billion in security assistance since Russias invasion.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/02/pentagon-300-million-ukraine-aid/

Bravo, US as well

But we knew this.  A total no briner.

What else can be done?

We can vote all the Putin loving Republicans out of office...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 03:00:16 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians for what they are a bunch of big talking assholes who are getting their asses kicked and whose actions have brought ruination to their nation...
 there will be no expansion beyond their borders. Putin wants to be a Czar and his desires will not be realized.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 03:28:08 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

 


Yep
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 03:29:01 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians for what they are a bunch of big talking assholes who are getting their asses kicked and whose actions have brought ruination to their nation...
 there will be no expansion beyond their borders. Putin wants to be a Czar and his desires will not be realized.

Akin to thinking Dems are winning in the US

heh
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 03:44:23 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians for what they are a bunch of big talking assholes who are getting their asses kicked and whose actions have brought ruination to their nation...
 there will be no expansion beyond their borders. Putin wants to be a Czar and his desires will not be realized.

Akin to thinking Dems are winning in the US

heh

Do you think Putin is winning?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 07, 2022, 05:53:26 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians for what they are a bunch of big talking assholes who are getting their asses kicked and whose actions have brought ruination to their nation...
 there will be no expansion beyond their borders. Putin wants to be a Czar and his desires will not be realized.

Akin to thinking Dems are winning in the US

heh

Do you think Putin is winning?

By what I keep seeing on my tv every night he is.
There was no cease fire, only more intense bombing...and "we are not bombing and killing civilians, it's Ukraine doing it to their own people and blaming us, to make us look bad."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 07, 2022, 05:57:56 PM
This is what I see on my tv each night;

https://abcnews.go.com/International/photos-show-devastation-bucha-wake-russian-invasion/story?id=83872938 (https://abcnews.go.com/International/photos-show-devastation-bucha-wake-russian-invasion/story?id=83872938)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 07, 2022, 06:32:51 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians for what they are a bunch of big talking assholes who are getting their asses kicked and whose actions have brought ruination to their nation...
 there will be no expansion beyond their borders. Putin wants to be a Czar and his desires will not be realized.

Akin to thinking Dems are winning in the US

heh

Do you think Putin is winning?

By what I keep seeing on my tv every night he is.
There was no cease fire, only more intense bombing...and "we are not bombing and killing civilians, it's Ukraine doing it to their own people and blaming us, to make us look bad."
And yet the Ukrainian army has taken back much of the area around Kyiv, with large numbers of burnt out Russian tanks and armored vehicles, downed Russian planes and helicopters, left behind. And they still hold Mariupol despite the devastation. You may not know what winning looks like.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 06:34:36 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians for what they are a bunch of big talking assholes who are getting their asses kicked and whose actions have brought ruination to their nation...
 there will be no expansion beyond their borders. Putin wants to be a Czar and his desires will not be realized.

Akin to thinking Dems are winning in the US

heh

Do you think Putin is winning?

Nobody is.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 07, 2022, 06:36:42 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

Sleepy Joe wont. Just yell and scream moral outrage, than walk it back. He wont even give the victims planes so they have a chance of fighting back.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 06:45:36 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

The Ukrainians have exposed the Russians for what they are a bunch of big talking assholes who are getting their asses kicked and whose actions have brought ruination to their nation...
 there will be no expansion beyond their borders. Putin wants to be a Czar and his desires will not be realized.

Akin to thinking Dems are winning in the US

heh

Do you think Putin is winning?

Nobody is.

Does that mean no one is winning between Democrats and Republicans?

Because in terms of winning in Ukraine the Russian objective is unattainable and it is losing more troops and territory than Putin could have ever imagined.

Come November there are gonna be a bunch sad faces on the Fox News set...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=j4SRsGn14PI
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 07, 2022, 07:31:58 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

Sleepy Joe wont. Just yell and scream moral outrage, than walk it back. He wont even give the victims planes so they have a chance of fighting back.

Poland joined NATO in 1999.  We and most of Europe would honor our treaty obligations as NATO members.

Which is why Putin knows better than to go after Poland. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 07:42:41 PM
When Putin is finished with Ukraine...maybe someone can explain to me how the US is beating Putin in Ukraine atm...Poland will be next, you watch...because Putin knows no one will go to full-on war with Russia.

Care to make a wager on that, Bambu?

No  wager.
But every night when I watch my tv news I don't see the US beating Russia in Ukraine, all I see is more destruction from Russian bombs/missiles, more dead Ukrainian civilians being buried having been tortured and murdered, and Ukrainians leaving on buses before the Russians get there.
Russia has free rein in the sky over Ukraine, and will obviously just keep bombing the whole country until there's nothing left and no people left alive.

You believe US/NATO will go full-on into war with Russia if it invades Poland the same way it has Ukraine?

Sleepy Joe wont. Just yell and scream moral outrage, than walk it back. He wont even give the victims planes so they have a chance of fighting back.

Poland joined NATO in 1999.  We and most of Europe would honor our treaty obligations as NATO members.

Which is why Putin knows better than to go after Poland.

Putin is losing terribly on the ground so now the only true objective is to literally destroy Ukraine and erase the Ukrainians. Putin is creating a generational hatred of Russia in Europe.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 08:35:03 PM
Does that mean no one is winning between Democrats and Republicans?



Yep

Best nation in the world.

But you will never see it like that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 08:49:52 PM
uhhh.......

wow

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-ernst-confronts-biden-nominee-beth-geer-hideous-tweet
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 07, 2022, 08:56:54 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 09:29:01 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 07, 2022, 09:40:07 PM
Does that mean no one is winning between Democrats and Republicans?



Yep

Best nation in the world.

But you will never see it like that.

The republicans lost their rearguard action to the moldy corpse of the confederacy which now must be defeated as it crimes around in the republican name.

Putin must be defeated as well and probably sooner. Meanwhile the world is benefiting by the destruction of the Russian armed forces at the expense of Ukraine. Putin can order it stopped in a reasonable short order. Nothing is stopping him just as nothing stopped him when he ordered the buildup and launch of this war.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 10:14:58 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.

Expect nothing more of you. LB.  Dick to the core.  Probably a small one at that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 07, 2022, 10:16:17 PM
uhhh.......

wow

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-ernst-confronts-biden-nominee-beth-geer-hideous-tweet

"I meant no disrespect."

Geer should have just said, "Yes, I wrote it and I am sorry that I did. It is not consistent with my normal mode of working with people, as you will see by looking at the rest of my tweets."

And on Ernst's comments about Trump's tweets not being a possible influence, "I am sure that former President Trump's tweets were already more than full of that sort of language at the time, but I do not attribute to him my tweet at the time.

On the other hand, Senator, I do wonder if you ever called out President Trump or others of your colleagues for such language in their public communications."

But that would not have been politic.

OTOH, Kid, "wow" seems pretty strong for "hideous."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 07, 2022, 10:17:45 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.

Expect nothing more of you. LB.  Dick to the core.  Probably a small one at that.
You would have spelled it with an a.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 07, 2022, 10:22:03 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.

Expect nothing more of you. LB.  Dick to the core.  Probably a small one at that.

Fac made a comment.

Larry gave it a thumb's up.

And you announce that Larry's a dick?

Too fucking funny, Kid.

And you never point out that Ward's a dick, despite his similar tone from time to time.

Or yourself.

LOL!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 07, 2022, 10:37:55 PM
https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/04/07/dmitry-peskov-kremlin-admits-significant-losses-ukraine-tsr-sot-vpx.cnn

"A huge tragedy for us," said Peskov of the deaths of Russian soldiers in the Russian-instigated conflict.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 11:05:44 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.

Expect nothing more of you. LB.  Dick to the core.  Probably a small one at that.

Fac made a comment.

Larry gave it a thumb's up.

And you announce that Larry's a dick?

Too fucking funny, Kid.

And you never point out that Ward's a dick, despite his similar tone from time to time.

Or yourself.

LOL!


Oooooo, got me there, Josh

But LB did stamp it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 07, 2022, 11:06:00 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.

Expect nothing more of you. LB.  Dick to the core.  Probably a small one at that.

From you I will take this as a compliment.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 07, 2022, 11:32:40 PM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.

Expect nothing more of you. LB.  Dick to the core.  Probably a small one at that.

Fac made a comment.

Larry gave it a thumb's up.

And you announce that Larry's a dick?

Too fucking funny, Kid.

And you never point out that Ward's a dick, despite his similar tone from time to time.

Or yourself.

LOL!


Oooooo, got me there, Josh

But LB did stamp it.

So, LB is a dick for agreeing that Ernst is a hideous twit.

But you, for calling him a dick and for calling women cunts, are just the epitome of an upstanding citizen?!

Hah!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 08, 2022, 09:52:23 AM
Senator Ernst is a hideous twit. News at 11.

Expect nothing more of you. LB.  Dick to the core.  Probably a small one at that.

In what way is your last comment better than the TVA candidate's appraisal of Sen. Ermst?  It's confusing, because your Fox News report seemed to be supporting the call for greater civility between oppositional groups, as were you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 08, 2022, 09:55:29 AM
Oops, I see this was already thoroughly answered by subsequent posts.  LoL "you would have used an A"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 08, 2022, 01:29:19 PM
President Joe Biden

1 hour

The attack on a Ukrainian train station is yet another horrific atrocity committed by Russia, striking civilians who were trying to evacuate and reach safety.

We will continue our security assistance and weapons deliveries to help Ukraine defend their country. And, together with our allies and partners, we will support efforts to investigate this attack as we document the actions of Russia and hold them accountable.

-----------

We need to always see the big picture, and we need to find out who our allies are in Russia who we can support after Putin is removed. We need to plan for a time of peace and prosperity after Putin is removed. We need to have allies who want peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 09, 2022, 10:12:00 AM
This man cannot lose.

https://youtu.be/oua0Puihrkc

I am reminded of the slogan of Teddy Roosevelt

Walk softly and carry a big....
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 09, 2022, 11:09:37 AM
Yep.  When I saw California Split back in the seventies, I thought it seemed like this long improv and didn't much connect (but the piccolo player bit was audacious and I admired Gould for it).  Seeing it decades later, I appreciated it more.  A lot of gambling movies don't seem real, and make me grit me teeth (not a fan of gambling), but I think Altman got it right.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 09, 2022, 11:56:15 AM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 09, 2022, 12:13:58 PM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 09, 2022, 01:09:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/09/slugs-russian-commuters-kaliningrad-vilnius-station-lithuania-war-photographs (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/09/slugs-russian-commuters-kaliningrad-vilnius-station-lithuania-war-photographs)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 09, 2022, 01:13:33 PM
Fox 11 Los Angeles

Yesterday

The Canadian government is under pressure to cool an overheated market after prices climbed by more than 20% last year, while rental rates have also been rising.

--------------

Canada is going to get a flood of immigrants from Ukraine and from Russia, I doubt relief is in sight for real estate prices in Canada, prices are just going to keep going up as more people flow in.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 09, 2022, 01:24:26 PM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 09, 2022, 01:53:10 PM
Lend-lease just unanimously passed the Senate. Ukraine is getting keys to a large part of the United States stockpile. Logistics has a couple of weeks to spin up while Congress is out of session. In the meantime, Ukraine is still unpacking new weapons and supplies including repairing and repurposing stuff Russia has abandoned.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 09, 2022, 03:34:18 PM
It is interesting how much Putin is borrowing from Cheney and Rumsfeld. He has simply substituted Nazis for Middle Eastern Terrorists to both rally his pubic and excuse the behavior of his soldiers.

Just watch this interview on DW. It is incredible

http://youtu.be/h19HFztTScQ (http://youtu.be/h19HFztTScQ)

Hopefully Putin and whatever follows him do not have our staying power. They definitely do not have our competence or restraint on the ground.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 09, 2022, 04:05:43 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/9/2085657/-How-Ukraine-transformed-its-military-with-the-help-of-U-S-Army-advisers-at-a-former-Soviet-base (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/9/2085657/-How-Ukraine-transformed-its-military-with-the-help-of-U-S-Army-advisers-at-a-former-Soviet-base)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 09, 2022, 04:56:13 PM
Fox 11 Los Angeles

Yesterday

The Canadian government is under pressure to cool an overheated market after prices climbed by more than 20% last year, while rental rates have also been rising.

--------------

Canada is going to get a flood of immigrants from Ukraine and from Russia, I doubt relief is in sight for real estate prices in Canada, prices are just going to keep going up as more people flow in.

Salute,

Tony V.

European countries should be made take all the refugees from Ukraine, after all it was said countries that sucked up to Russia/Putin.
Canadians should not have to suffer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 09, 2022, 07:48:14 PM
It is interesting how much Putin is borrowing from Cheney and Rumsfeld. He has simply substituted Nazis for Middle Eastern Terrorists to both rally his pubic and excuse the behavior of his soldiers.



I wonder sometimes if Putin is rallying his Russian base or just confusing many of them to the point of paralysis.  They have no idea what to believe. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 09, 2022, 07:52:04 PM
This guy is one of the good ones....

https://youtu.be/miBCm5M6yWo

I was reading his bio and learned Earl Browder was his grandpa. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 09, 2022, 07:57:13 PM
Billions for defense, an accident to crazy Putin like a drone missile falling on his head would raise the prestige of the US significantly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 09, 2022, 10:01:34 PM
Putin is only one person.
Russia could simply tap him on the shoulder and tell his reign is over, if it wanted to.
The politicians, generals etc.
Tell him to retire because of "ill-health".
Obviously it doesn't want to.
They obviously want that large slab of land that is Ukraine for Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 09, 2022, 10:27:25 PM
Putin is only one person.
Russia could simply tap him on the shoulder and tell his reign is over, if it wanted to.
The politicians, generals etc.
Tell him to retire because of "ill-health".
Obviously it doesn't want to.
They obviously want that large slab of land that is Ukraine for Russia.

"Russia" can't do anything.

Individuals in Russia could try to do something, but for some reason you who counsel never do anything for anybody but yourself keep thinking that these unnamed Russians - politicians, generals, etc. - should risk their lives and their families' lives by trying to oust Putin.

Assume that they are just as cowardly and/or self-serving as you are, Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 09, 2022, 11:03:21 PM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 10, 2022, 12:56:44 AM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
----------------------------------------------
I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 10, 2022, 06:54:48 AM
Putin is only one person.
Russia could simply tap him on the shoulder and tell his reign is over, if it wanted to.
The politicians, generals etc.
Tell him to retire because of "ill-health".
Obviously it doesn't want to.
They obviously want that large slab of land that is Ukraine for Russia.

"Russia" can't do anything.

Individuals in Russia could try to do something, but for some reason you who counsel never do anything for anybody but yourself keep thinking that these unnamed Russians - politicians, generals, etc. - should risk their lives and their families' lives by trying to oust Putin.

Assume that they are just as cowardly and/or self-serving as you are, Bambu.

Russia doesn't want to do anything...then it won't be any good complaining when things go bad for it.
 Bobo Lo just said on my 60 Minutes that there's no draw in Ukraine, just winning or losing and that Putin will not be losing under any circumstances and that if he looks like losing he will use a small tactical nuke bomb in Ukraine.
*
Also shown were people in a town in Poland close to the border with Ukraine, joining the army reserve, marching into a town to attend church, 120 of them, men and women, the priest blessing them and their guns.
*
Also shown were US troops doing river crossing training in boats, with Polish troops.
The troops in Poland were shown erecting barbed wire and timber barriers on the river bank.
Warsaw ghetto mk 2 looms large.
Poland knows what's coming.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 10, 2022, 02:22:18 PM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
----------------------------------------------
I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.

(a) I think think Russians are losing.
(b) I think the Ukrainians are losing, too.
(c) I think the notion that our military is filled with people of courage and integrity is the funniest thing you have suggested in days, Luee.

This is the military that cannot be honest about its mistreatment of women.

This is the military that has lost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions.

This is the military of Abu Ghraib.

This is the military of the Pueblo, the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the Viet Nam war escalation lies, My Lai, Iraq's involvement with Al Qaeda, and Iraq's possession of WMD. among many many deceits.

And you think their "courage and integrity" should put them on the court instead of "politcal hackmanship."

Do you think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg lacked courage and integrity? Sotomayor? Do you think newly approved Ketanji Brown Jackson is guilty of political hackmanship?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 10, 2022, 05:57:03 PM
This pincer attempt underway is probably the last major movement operation the Russians can stand up until the fields dry into summer. A lot rides on this. How prepared is Ukraine to counter the pincer. The new Russian psycho in charge has every incentive to put the pedal to the metal. It may work, stall out, or fail badly enough to compromise Russian defense of territory it currently holds.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 10, 2022, 07:05:41 PM
I believe US military personnel today are highly skilled, intelligent, and courageous.
I also believe they should not be used as cannon-fodder in useless wars, or in non-useless wars.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 10, 2022, 07:15:52 PM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
----------------------------------------------
I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.

(a) I think think Russians are losing.
(b) I think the Ukrainians are losing, too.
(c) I think the notion that our military is filled with people of courage and integrity is the funniest thing you have suggested in days, Luee.

This is the military that cannot be honest about its mistreatment of women.

This is the military that has lost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions.

This is the military of Abu Ghraib.

This is the military of the Pueblo, the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the Viet Nam war escalation lies, My Lai, Iraq's involvement with Al Qaeda, and Iraq's possession of WMD. among many many deceits.

And you think their "courage and integrity" should put them on the court instead of "politcal hackmanship."

Do you think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg lacked courage and integrity? Sotomayor? Do you think newly approved Ketanji Brown Jackson is guilty of political hackmanship?

Were they selected because they exhibited courage and love of country or because they were members of a minority group needed for political victory? We lose the revolution we are not an independent nation. We lose the civil war, slavery. WWI and II   
uh oh. Viet Nam LBJ's fault. Service helps turn children into adults and prevents the US from becoming the Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 10, 2022, 09:04:21 PM
Putin is insanely evil. He must be replaced. Everyone must learn from history. No place in the 21st century for war mongering narcissists.

Great!

Go get him.

This why the UN was formed. Sleepy Joe better wake up!

Wake up?

The Russians are murdering civilians because their Army is getting pimp slapped by the Ukrainians.
Where do you think the Ukrainians are getting the weapons?

Have a cup of coffee, Rip Van luee

You actually believe the Ukrainians are winning? They are being, raped, killed, or shoved into filtration camps. Putin does not seem to care about lives or infrastructure. Now comes the Syrian butcher general. Dare we wait and see?
----------------------------------------------
I would rather see more veterans on the supreme court. Courage and integrity should count over political hacksmanship.

(a) I think think Russians are losing.
(b) I think the Ukrainians are losing, too.
(c) I think the notion that our military is filled with people of courage and integrity is the funniest thing you have suggested in days, Luee.

This is the military that cannot be honest about its mistreatment of women.

This is the military that has lost hundreds of billions of dollars, if not trillions.

This is the military of Abu Ghraib.

This is the military of the Pueblo, the U.S.S. Indianapolis, the Viet Nam war escalation lies, My Lai, Iraq's involvement with Al Qaeda, and Iraq's possession of WMD. among many many deceits.

And you think their "courage and integrity" should put them on the court instead of "politcal hackmanship."

Do you think that Ruth Bader Ginsburg lacked courage and integrity? Sotomayor? Do you think newly approved Ketanji Brown Jackson is guilty of political hackmanship?

Were they selected because they exhibited courage and love of country or because they were members of a minority group needed for political victory? We lose the revolution we are not an independent nation. We lose the civil war, slavery. WWI and II   
uh oh. Viet Nam LBJ's fault. Service helps turn children into adults and prevents the US from becoming the Ukraine.

They were selected because they were both competent and members of groups that were not represented often or at all on SCOTUS.

Given a choice of equally competent people, their appointers chose not to follow the same path.

Contrast this with the appointments of either Barrett or Thomas. In neither case were the individuals seen competent. In one case he was chosen for race, with an explicit lack of attention to preparedness for the position. In the other case, chosen for gender, with an explicit lack of attention to preparedness for the position, but a preparedness to vote the way her appointer wanted.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on April 10, 2022, 09:48:03 PM


Contrast this with the appointments of either Barrett or Thomas. In neither case were the individuals seen competent.

Not true.
Both were highly rated.  Both had stellar resumes.  Thomas senior stature on the court today is rock solid.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 10, 2022, 09:59:13 PM
Presidents always appoint for political reasons, but sometimes that process still works out for obtaining a court whose members are more diverse and represent a healthy range of perspectives on life in America and the law.  Biden promised a black woman as a deal with South Carolina, a tide-turning primary.  And despite the political dealing, we have a terrific appointment, someone with experience as a public defender (groundbreaking) and who had been on the shortlist back in 2016 with Garland.  OTOH, we had TFG and his political appointments like Barrett where the goal was to court conservative Christians with someone who was cultish in their devotions and would likely overturn RvW.  So that worked in a way entirely contrary to the process of selecting highly qualified jurists who would be impartial on matters of religious belief.

Those who argue that demographic criteria are exclusionary are confusing the individual with the body of the Court.  The Court is an interdependent group that rely on each other's differing perspectives, so a functioning bench must consist of a broad demographic range of the highly competent and of good character.  Even Reagan understood that, telling people that he wanted an Italian-American, which he saw as a step towards more ethnic diversity.  (a giggle is permitted at this point)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 10, 2022, 10:07:58 PM


Contrast this with the appointments of either Barrett or Thomas. In neither case were the individuals seen competent.

Not true.
Both were highly rated.  Both had stellar resumes.  Thomas senior stature on the court today is rock solid.

I grant competent for Thomas, but not "highly rated."

Quote
The American Bar Assn. on Tuesday gave Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas a passing grade of "qualified," but the endorsement fell short of the "well-qualified" ratings received by other recent high court nominees.

Thomas' resume was a lot of things. Stellar was not among them. He was exactly the kind of pick you have been complaining about.

Justice Barrett's letter from the ABA said, "A "substantial majority" of the committee determined that Judge Barrett is "well qualified," with a minority of the committee rating her as "qualified."

Soon-to-be Justice Brown's letter from the ABA said "The Standing Committee is of the unanimous opinion that Judge Jackson is 'Well Qualified' to serve on the United States Supreme Court."

That unanimous conclusion is their highest rating.

Sotomayor, Kagan, and Gorsuch earned that conclusion.

The ABA was in the process of reviewing their rating of Kavanaugh (initially also unanimous as well qualified), but stopped their review when the Senate went ahead with the nomination.

Both Thomas and Barrett were and are less qualified than Jackson.

And Thomas' tenure on the Court has been "rock solid," with bunches of cases that for which he should have recused himself.

But you knew that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on April 10, 2022, 10:46:42 PM


Both Thomas and Barrett were and are less qualified than Jackson.
No, just the opposite.
Thomas and Barret were nominated from a pool of candidates that included white men.
The Jackson pool only included Black women .

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 10, 2022, 11:01:23 PM


Both Thomas and Barrett were and are less qualified than Jackson.
No, just the opposite.
Thomas and Barret were nominated from a pool of candidates that included white men.
The Jackson pool only included Black women .

No, Thomas was not nominated from among a pool including white men, no matter how often that is claimed.

He was inserted to fill "the black seat" without regard for his capability, which is why he got the comparatively low rating.

Barrett, similarly, was appointed explicitly to replace a woman. Your bloviating doesn't change that.

And lastly, if the person who is appointed is unanimously seen as "well qualified," then she is deemed more qualified than those who were either not even "well qualified" or those who were not unanimously seen as well qualified.

For the bulk of 2 centuries, only white men were considered. According to your argument, they would be considered lesser because others were not considered.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on April 10, 2022, 11:12:55 PM


Both Thomas and Barrett were and are less qualified than Jackson.
No, just the opposite.
Thomas and Barret were nominated from a pool of candidates that included white men.
The Jackson pool only included Black women .

For the bulk of 2 centuries, only white men were considered. According to your argument, they would be considered lesser because others were not considered.
LOL!
I did not make an argument
I stated a fact.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 11, 2022, 12:01:52 AM
Red will correctly identify a fact when he meets its fender and not before.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 11, 2022, 03:15:58 AM
Tucker 'Vlad' Carlson has suggested that American news is exaggerating what is going on in Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/04/10/tucker-carlson-ukraine-comments-holdon-acostanr-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 11, 2022, 05:06:15 AM
Putin has appointed "the butcher of Syria" as his new commander of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

The "butcher's" tactics...simple...unrelenting artillery shelling of towns and cities. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom...boom! until there's nothing and nobody left.

US is the leading supplier or arms to Ukraine.
Followed by Britain...and Canada.
Boris met with Zelenskyy in Britain ... is sending anti-ship missiles.
Are the other NATO countries in Europe doing much?  Very wise and intelligent former Australian Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said 'yes' when asked on my tv just now..."but not as robustly as at first" he said.
France, Germany, etc wanna lift their game...because if Putin gets Ukraine, which I believe he will if things don't change dramatically soon [Bobo who was an Ozian diplomat and knows Putin well says he will not lose, that he'll nuke Ukraine first...just a small nuke]...they could well be next in line after Poland.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1594025/Putin-news-Butcher-of-Syria-Alexander-Dvornikov-Ukraine-invasion-vn (https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1594025/Putin-news-Butcher-of-Syria-Alexander-Dvornikov-Ukraine-invasion-vn)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-appoints-general-cruel-history-oversee-ukraine-offensive-rcna23784 (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-appoints-general-cruel-history-oversee-ukraine-offensive-rcna23784)

#####

Time for the West to get down dirty and cruel...match cruelty with cruelty, it's the only way left.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 09:47:58 AM
Tucker 'Vlad' Carlson has suggested that American news is exaggerating what is going on in Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/04/10/tucker-carlson-ukraine-comments-holdon-acostanr-vpx.cnn

Oh...ACOSTA has the facts

heh
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 09:54:33 AM
"The same truth that some (Acosta means FOX News) refuse to share with their viewers"

Simply untrue, Jimmy Boy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 11, 2022, 09:55:23 AM
KBJ comments moved back to the Biden thread.  Interesting that Ward finally found the Ukraine thread but couldn't discern the thread topic.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 11, 2022, 10:47:39 AM
What is it with Putin? His economy is destroyed, his army is tattered, he is condemned as a war criminal, Russia is looked on as a pariah by most. Seems like it's time for a quick exit right?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on April 11, 2022, 10:53:57 AM
KBJ comments moved back to the Biden thread.  Interesting that Ward finally found the Ukraine thread but couldn't discern the thread topic.
No, you did.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 11, 2022, 11:26:58 AM
"The same truth that some (Acosta means FOX News) refuse to share with their viewers"

Simply untrue, Jimmy Boy.
No, he means Tucker Carlson,.specifically.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 11, 2022, 11:47:51 AM
"The same truth that some (Acosta means FOX News) refuse to share with their viewers"

Simply untrue, Jimmy Boy.

Science can cure you, but you will need to accept fact based medicine if you have any hope of recovery.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 11, 2022, 11:48:08 AM
Tucker 'Vlad' Carlson has suggested that American news is exaggerating what is going on in Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/04/10/tucker-carlson-ukraine-comments-holdon-acostanr-vpx.cnn

Oh...ACOSTA has the facts

heh

Kid Putin has spoken.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 11, 2022, 11:49:01 AM
KBJ comments moved back to the Biden thread.  Interesting that Ward finally found the Ukraine thread but couldn't discern the thread topic.
No, you did.

Snort.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 01:23:33 PM
"The same truth that some (Acosta means FOX News) refuse to share with their viewers"

Simply untrue, Jimmy Boy.
No, he means Tucker Carlson,.specifically.

Hate to lower him to this - as his ratings soar - but Tucker is FOX's Joy Reid.  He is not doing a news show.   But if you would like I will find snippets from his shows that show the devastation in Ukraine and place proper blame.  I shouldnt have to because some CNN ahole who was kicked out of the WH corps has a roach up his butt.  But I will if I get a chance .
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 11, 2022, 03:26:00 PM
https://archive.ph/2022.04.11-145021/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/10/opinion/boston-marathon-russia-ukraine.html

Agree/disagree/indifferent?  Russian and Belarusans are banned from participating this year.  Regardless of their politics. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on April 11, 2022, 03:42:45 PM
"The same truth that some (Acosta means FOX News) refuse to share with their viewers"

Simply untrue, Jimmy Boy.
No, he means Tucker Carlson,.specifically.

Hate to lower him to this - as his ratings soar - but Tucker is FOX's Joy Reid.  He is not doing a news show.   But if you would like I will find snippets from his shows that show the devastation in Ukraine and place proper blame.  I shouldnt have to because some CNN ahole who was kicked out of the WH corps has a roach up his butt.  But I will if I get a chance .
Tucker Carlson is the most watched prime time Cable News Show by democrats!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 03:55:00 PM
We have a large percentage of the population that wants to see both sides.  And wants to see well produced content.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on April 11, 2022, 04:35:57 PM
We have a large percentage of the population that wants to see both sides.  And wants to see well produced content.
Except it does not work both ways
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 11, 2022, 05:27:19 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/11/2091372/-Ukraine-update-NATO-dramatically-expands-Ukraine-weapons-shipments-after-Russia-s-war-crimes (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/11/2091372/-Ukraine-update-NATO-dramatically-expands-Ukraine-weapons-shipments-after-Russia-s-war-crimes)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 11, 2022, 05:29:01 PM
"The same truth that some (Acosta means FOX News) refuse to share with their viewers"

Simply untrue, Jimmy Boy.
No, he means Tucker Carlson,.specifically.

Hate to lower him to this - as his ratings soar - but Tucker is FOX's Joy Reid.  He is not doing a news show.   But if you would like I will find snippets from his shows that show the devastation in Ukraine and place proper blame.  I shouldnt have to because some CNN ahole who was kicked out of the WH corps has a roach up his butt.  But I will if I get a chance .
Tucker Carlson is the most watched prime time Cable News Show by democrats!

We know you take your RT in any flavor you can get it, as long as it is pretty close in color to one of your hoods.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 11, 2022, 06:58:19 PM
mrs bambu says that most Americans she stayed with/met in her travels didn't know, had never heard of this song:

 Now this nation that I love has fallen under attack
A mighty sucker punch came flyin' in from somewhere in the back
Soon as we could see clearly
Through our big black eye
Man, we lit up your world
Like the fourth of July


Hey Uncle Sam, put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shakin' her fist
And the eagle will fly man, it's gonna be hell
When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell
And it feels like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue

Justice will be served and the battle will rage
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way


Hey uncle sam put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shakin' her fist
And the eagle will fly it's gonna be hell
When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell
And it feels like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue

Oh oh of the red, white and blue
Oh oh of my red, white and blue

#

Toby Keith

Whenever they started talking about wars etc, mrs bambu started singing that song...the Americans then looked it up on their phones.

Must be about time to light up and ass boot Russia...the "Butcher of Syria" must not be allowed to slaughter millions of people in Ukraine, then Poland etc without reply.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 11, 2022, 08:16:07 PM
We have a large percentage of the population that wants to see both sides.  And wants to see well produced content.
Except it does not work both ways

Correct!

One side would not accept they LOST an election by popular vote and in the electoral college so they decided to overturn the electi9n and failing that tried to violently overthrow the government.

That is not the narrative being spun by Tucker who is STILL sucking the dick of Vlad The Impaler.

Goddamn cult.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 12, 2022, 04:43:02 AM
The thing to do is make the Russian soldiers so terrified of being captured because of what awaits them, that they all run back into Russia crying in fear.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 12, 2022, 08:21:50 AM
The thing to do is make the Russian soldiers so terrified of being captured because of what awaits them, that they all run back into Russia crying in fear.

You act like their government is not, itself, enough to make them terrified.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 12, 2022, 11:31:22 AM
Right wing governments like Russia motivate their foot soldiers by shooting the ones that they catch running away. Ukraine does better getting them to want to be captured, where they expect better treatment from their captors than they get from their officers. They also get bonuses from surrendering their equipment along with themselves.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 12, 2022, 11:49:49 AM
http://www.thebulwark.com/putin-wants-to-break-nato-republicans-want-to-help-him/ (http://www.thebulwark.com/putin-wants-to-break-nato-republicans-want-to-help-him/)

Thrash them all.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 12, 2022, 12:29:21 PM
We have a large percentage of the population that wants to see both sides.  And wants to see well produced content.
And here to present the pro-slavery side, former Vice President John C. Calhoun...

Not all sides should be treated as morally equivalent.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 12, 2022, 12:49:42 PM
...or informationally sound.  We don't interview Heinrich Himmler for accurate reports on lice remediation and nutritional health in labor camps. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 12, 2022, 12:54:37 PM
Max Boot makes clear why Ukraine has done so well at repelling Russians at the Gates of Kyiv.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/04/12/ukraine-military-culture-advantage-over-russia/

Interesting historical details going back to the Crimean War. 

Non PW version:

https://archive.ph/yeV96
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 12, 2022, 02:23:36 PM
mrs bambu says that most Americans she stayed with/met in her travels didn't know, had never heard of this song:

 Now this nation that I love has fallen under attack
A mighty sucker punch came flyin' in from somewhere in the back
Soon as we could see clearly
Through our big black eye
Man, we lit up your world
Like the fourth of July


Hey Uncle Sam, put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shakin' her fist
And the eagle will fly man, it's gonna be hell
When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell
And it feels like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue

Justice will be served and the battle will rage
This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
And you'll be sorry that you messed with
The U.S. of A.
Cause we'll put a boot in your ass
It's the American way


Hey uncle sam put your name at the top of his list
And the Statue of Liberty started shakin' her fist
And the eagle will fly it's gonna be hell
When you hear mother freedom start ringin' her bell
And it feels like the whole wide world is raining down on you
Brought to you courtesy of the red white and blue

Oh oh of the red, white and blue
Oh oh of my red, white and blue

#

Toby Keith

Whenever they started talking about wars etc, mrs bambu started singing that song...the Americans then looked it up on their phones.

Must be about time to light up and ass boot Russia...the "Butcher of Syria" must not be allowed to slaughter millions of people in Ukraine, then Poland etc without reply.
Those were the days before sleepy Joe. Gives everybody everything they want but Jet planes to the brave Ukrainians.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2022, 03:39:36 PM
We have a large percentage of the population that wants to see both sides.  And wants to see well produced content.
And here to present the pro-slavery side, former Vice President John C. Calhoun...

Not all sides should be treated as morally equivalent.


Look - over there...



Not here - there...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 12, 2022, 03:43:40 PM
We have a large percentage of the population that wants to see both sides.  And wants to see well produced content.
And here to present the pro-slavery side, former Vice President John C. Calhoun...

Not all sides should be treated as morally equivalent.


Look - over there...



Not here - there...

AKA almost every post you or Ward makes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2022, 07:54:02 PM
Biden side needs to have populace focusing on anything but his work.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 12, 2022, 09:06:41 PM
Kid is a little panty twisted. His side told him it would take them three days to win the war in Ukraine. They even brought their dress uniforms. Now he is having doubts they can get his cheese-tard back in the White House with yet another coup. He is even starting to doubt if the south will ever rise again.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 13, 2022, 05:14:22 AM
'Putin vowed Tuesday that Russia's bloody offensive in Ukraine would continue until its goals are fulfilled'.

#####

Yes, just like Bobo said.

*

'Ukraine said Tuesday it was investigating a claim that a poisonous substance had been dropped on its troops'.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 13, 2022, 07:38:35 AM
Air power in the form of jet planes would have neutralized the Russian guns and tanks but was quickly taken off the table as an option to help the brave Ukrainians. Putin has nukes and we shouldn't make him angry while he pulverizes the country and its citizens?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 13, 2022, 09:32:47 AM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-business-nato-europe-e335d774954f6403c38e88a3a6bfbcff

We send the weapons that work best for this kind of warfare.  Billions of dollars worth.  Pay attention. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 11:39:05 AM
Air power in the form of jet planes would have neutralized the Russian guns and tanks but was quickly taken off the table as an option to help the brave Ukrainians. Putin has nukes and we shouldn't make him angry while he pulverizes the country and its citizens?

You think it's a wise bet to attack his country in a way that prompts his using nukes, I get that.

Angry isn't the problem. I don't care if he is angry. I care that he is not more irrational than his current level.

But out of curiosity, Luee, how many jets do you think we should send? 10? 100? 1000?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2022, 11:52:47 AM
Air power in the form of jet planes would have neutralized the Russian guns and tanks but was quickly taken off the table as an option to help the brave Ukrainians. Putin has nukes and we shouldn't make him angry while he pulverizes the country and its citizens?

Putin aint nukin anyone.

Sad to see this continue.

Joe the world leader.......

What will history say, sir?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 13, 2022, 12:32:19 PM
It will say, "Yay, we are still here to say things!  We are not giant clouds of ash drifting over a barren wasteland!"

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 13, 2022, 12:51:25 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/13/2091737/-Zelenskyy-calls-Biden-a-true-leader (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/13/2091737/-Zelenskyy-calls-Biden-a-true-leader)

President Zelenskyy is adding his pen to the draft of what history will say about President Biden.

If you want your history from Putin, tune in to fox.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 01:00:09 PM
Air power in the form of jet planes would have neutralized the Russian guns and tanks but was quickly taken off the table as an option to help the brave Ukrainians. Putin has nukes and we shouldn't make him angry while he pulverizes the country and its citizens?

Putin aint nukin anyone.

Sad to see this continue.

Joe the world leader.......

What will history say, sir?

Putin is not gonna nuke anyone unless he sees an existential threat to his Motherland.

He has already lost the war and at this point it is just about killing which in a way was his true objective... the erasure of Ukraine and Ukrainians
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 13, 2022, 02:48:19 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 13, 2022, 02:51:44 PM
It will say, "Yay, we are still here to say things!  We are not giant clouds of ash drifting over a barren wasteland!"

Can't help but recall an entire party that opined the other side was being too frightened after 9-11
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 13, 2022, 03:11:40 PM
Families have been wiped out because sleepy Joe held back on planes. A couple of good sorties with missile armed jets and the war is over in a week. Money does not buy courage or integrity just hand held chachkis.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 03:27:43 PM
Air power in the form of jet planes would have neutralized the Russian guns and tanks but was quickly taken off the table as an option to help the brave Ukrainians. Putin has nukes and we shouldn't make him angry while he pulverizes the country and its citizens?

Putin aint nukin anyone.

And you know this how?!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 03:28:20 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

Not the way it works, luee.

Ask Hitler
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 03:29:16 PM
It will say, "Yay, we are still here to say things!  We are not giant clouds of ash drifting over a barren wasteland!"

Can't help but recall an entire party that opined the other side was being too frightened after 9-11

Bullshit
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 03:29:57 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 03:30:48 PM
Families have been wiped out because sleepy Joe held back on planes. A couple of good sorties with missile armed jets and the war is over in a week. Money does not buy courage or integrity just hand held chachkis.

How come Kyiv did not fall in the first few Days?

You have no clue
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
It will say, "Yay, we are still here to say things!  We are not giant clouds of ash drifting over a barren wasteland!"

Can't help but recall an entire party that opined the other side was being too frightened after 9-11

On one hand, we have fabricated information about WMD used to initiate and perpetuate a war.

On the other hand, we have a country with a known capability with nuclear weapons.

Stupid analogy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 03:32:14 PM
Families have been wiped out because sleepy Joe held back on planes. A couple of good sorties with missile armed jets and the war is over in a week. Money does not buy courage or integrity just hand held chachkis.

I repeat: how many planes should we have sent?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 03:33:57 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.

It is no longer a war. It is mass killing on the part of Russia.

Ukraine is not losing the fight.

They are losing masses of civilians but that is on Russia mounting a genocidal campaign.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 03:34:46 PM
Families have been wiped out because sleepy Joe held back on planes. A couple of good sorties with missile armed jets and the war is over in a week. Money does not buy courage or integrity just hand held chachkis.

I repeat: how many planes should we have sent?

He has no clue.

He just wants to grab his balls and feel manly
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 13, 2022, 05:36:43 PM
Poland made the offer to send over their migs to the trained Ukie pilots. Joe said no, we will send them hand held chachkis. Don't want to get Vlad too angry. How many died over that decision?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 13, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/13/2091775/-Ukraine-update-U-S-sending-another-800M-package-that-includes-heavy-weapons (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/13/2091775/-Ukraine-update-U-S-sending-another-800M-package-that-includes-heavy-weapons)

Key in the headline is - Another. Unspoken is - There is more to come.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 13, 2022, 05:59:59 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.

He hasn't lost the war in Ukraine...he just withdrew from a battle, for Kyiv...and went to blow up another region first.
"The Butcher" he's appointed will do what he did in Syria, shell the place into dust/submission.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 06:03:38 PM
Poland made the offer to send over their migs to the trained Ukie pilots. Joe said no, we will send them hand held chachkis. Don't want to get Vlad too angry. How many died over that decision?

How many stayed alive? How many would have died had Putin decided Russia was threatened?

And Luee, why do you refuse to answer the simple question of how many planes would have satisfied you?

Every time you assure us that he would not have gone nuclear, I am reminded of your assuring us he wouldn't invade.

Have you even once said, "Yeah, I got that wrong" to us?

No? Why am I not surprised?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 13, 2022, 06:30:11 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

He's already lost the war in Ukraine.

The question is how much more he is willing to lose - while the Ukrainians continue to lose the war, as well.

He'll keep bombing until even he sees that it is fruitless or until he is stopped.

It is no longer a war. It is mass killing on the part of Russia.

Ukraine is not losing the fight.

They are losing masses of civilians but that is on Russia mounting a genocidal campaign.

If things continue as they are, the genocidal campaign will prevail, everyone in Ukraine will either have fled the country or be dead...including those in Ukraine doing the fighting.
Russia will destroy all the water and food eventually.
The war will likely go on for years, experts say.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 13, 2022, 08:13:06 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

Not the way it works, luee.

Ask Hitler
Can't tell one whiteman from the other, Larry?
Their was a finite number of Jets offered by Poland through the US in the early stages of the invasion. It would have saved lives and infrastructure. We are now in the world of a repetitive stupid question.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 08:21:55 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

Not the way it works, luee.

Ask Hitler
Can't tell one whiteman from the other, Larry?
Their was a finite number of Jets offered by Poland through the US in the early stages of the invasion. It would have saved lives and infrastructure. We are now in the world of a repetitive stupid question.

Pol Pot was a genocidal maniac, too...


Putin is not killing Jews inUkraine, he is killing everyone in his path. He is bent on erasing Ukraine but the asshole believes his Press coverage when he is supplying the content.

You are buying his fiction as his mouth writes checks his ass cannot cash.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 13, 2022, 08:55:05 PM
Boom!

https://www.maritime-executive.com/article/ukraine-claims-to-have-struck-the-flagship-of-russia-s-black-sea-fleet
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 09:10:50 PM
Putin will not be losing the war in Ukraine.
He'll just keep bombing, shelling Ukraine for years until he wins.

Not the way it works, luee.

Ask Hitler
Can't tell one whiteman from the other, Larry?
Their was a finite number of Jets offered by Poland through the US in the early stages of the invasion. It would have saved lives and infrastructure. We are now in the world of a repetitive stupid question.

We're in the world of a repetitious assertion that a specific something should have been done and a refusal to make it clear what that something is.

The Russians have a 15-1 ratio advantage over Ukraine in jets. It would have taken hundreds of jets to even the score. What do you suppose the Russians would do during the period in which Poland was transferring the planes? Ignore it?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 11:41:51 PM
https://taskandpurpose.com/analysis/russian-tanks-ukraine-turrets-blown-off

Why do the Russian tanks keep having their turrets blown off?

It's an old problem, not a new one - and a design flaw in their tanks.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 14, 2022, 03:39:40 AM
Planes are a safer bet once you have secured half the country to take off and land from, which happened last week. They are also a better risk once you have seriously degraded the anti-air and radar capabilities of the invaders which Ukraine has.

They are getting the migs and also helicopters they want along with long ranged artillery and artillery targeting systems Ukrainians are all ready trained to operate and maintain.

It seems like Ukraine is testing Russian force protection in an expanding strategy including a main supply rail line and the flagship of the Russian Black Sea fleet along with the usual assortment of tanks, armored vehicles, weapon systems, trucks, and soldiers. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 14, 2022, 04:45:36 AM
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-report-slovakia-donating-mig-29-fighters-is-fine-by-the-u-s

Things have changed, as you say.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 14, 2022, 04:47:27 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/13/politics/us-weapons-ukraine-war/index.html

Why the US is now giving heavier weapons to Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 14, 2022, 05:09:20 AM
Mariupol has fallen. 1000 Ukrainian troops surrendered.
Shelling could be heard in the background, as the elderly lady said "why are they killing us", sitting in the ruins of her home.

Yes, the help from the West is all too late...as the West and European countries were scared of Putin, very scared, didn't want to upset him.
It should've all been in Ukraine ...before...the Russian invasion.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 14, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
 One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 14, 2022, 10:51:20 AM
You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now?

Heh, indeed.  I truly miss your powerful intellect.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 14, 2022, 10:52:50 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 14, 2022, 11:51:42 AM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 14, 2022, 12:21:24 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Putin was ever negotiating in good faith?

It's like taking McConnell's word about things - foolish and self-serving of you.

The war is not escalating, it is redirecting. The same "flat earth" theory of warfare is being practiced, but in a region in which Russia has shorter supply lines and fewer communication problems.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 14, 2022, 12:44:58 PM
Mariupol has fallen. 1000 Ukrainian troops surrendered.
Shelling could be heard in the background, as the elderly lady said "why are they killing us", sitting in the ruins of her home.

Yes, the help from the West is all too late...as the West and European countries were scared of Putin, very scared, didn't want to upset him.
It should've all been in Ukraine ...before...the Russian invasion.

Hold your balls and pull the covers over your head.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 14, 2022, 12:46:16 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......

Yeah, he would have sold Ukraine down the river.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 14, 2022, 12:48:03 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Putin was ever negotiating in good faith?

It's like taking McConnell's word about things - foolish and self-serving of you.

The war is not escalating, it is redirecting. The same "flat earth" theory of warfare is being practiced, but in a region in which Russia has shorter supply lines and fewer communication problems.

Kids thinks his side is winning
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 14, 2022, 02:13:51 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/14/2091951/-Ukraine-update-A-hundred-little-Thermopylae (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/14/2091951/-Ukraine-update-A-hundred-little-Thermopylae)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 14, 2022, 04:59:58 PM
(https://static.theprint.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/FM3n0WiWUAAVx2D.jpg?compress=true&quality=80&w=768&dpr=2.0)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 14, 2022, 05:08:50 PM
Trump is a venal, stupid coward.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-rants-against-nato-after-hannity-asked-him-if-the-russian-invasion-of-ukraine-is-evil/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 14, 2022, 06:15:20 PM
https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/14/ukraine-claims-to-have-sunk-a-russian-warship

Big deal.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 14, 2022, 06:18:10 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 14, 2022, 06:30:51 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

Trump was asked if Putin's invasion of Ukraine was evil.

He proceeded to attack NATO.


I think your repeated defense of Trump and assertion that he would have done something useful have about as much substance as Trump's "aggressive" counter to Kim Jong Un's nuclear missile building program.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

Quote
"What kind of American, let alone an ex-president, thinks that this is the right time to enter into a scheme with Vladimir Putin and brag about his connections to Vladimir Putin? There is only one, and it's Donald Trump," White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield told reporters on March 30.

Yeah, your fawning all over Trump ignores everything Trump says and does - and said and did.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 14, 2022, 07:21:23 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

Trump was asked if Putin's invasion of Ukraine was evil.

He proceeded to attack NATO.


I think your repeated defense of Trump and assertion that he would have done something useful have about as much substance as Trump's "aggressive" counter to Kim Jong Un's nuclear missile building program.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

Quote
"What kind of American, let alone an ex-president, thinks that this is the right time to enter into a scheme with Vladimir Putin and brag about his connections to Vladimir Putin? There is only one, and it's Donald Trump," White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield told reporters on March 30.

Yeah, your fawning all over Trump ignores everything Trump says and does - and said and did.

Kid is a true believer
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 14, 2022, 07:24:42 PM
Me, too. I believe this is hilarious.

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278583044_3112931605690778_3444253339595868744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=iGvwt16FFQIAX_tIOOp&tn=aQaxeqK0Pwd0simd&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-JbNS-4LbWmqKNyNO-kx36Mg9iXSofLFLxFgjAr4Eslg&oe=625DB431)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 14, 2022, 08:50:25 PM
I laughed, but should we be concerned as to what sort of missiles it had onboard?

If there are tactical nuke warheads on any of the 16  Vulkan cruise missiles, they are now on the seabed off the coast of Ukraine. 

With almost any other nation, I would be comfortable assuming they would not sail into a battle zone with tac nukes, but it's hard to trust in Russian rationality these days.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 14, 2022, 09:19:58 PM
Me, too. I believe this is hilarious.

(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278583044_3112931605690778_3444253339595868744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=iGvwt16FFQIAX_tIOOp&tn=aQaxeqK0Pwd0simd&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-JbNS-4LbWmqKNyNO-kx36Mg9iXSofLFLxFgjAr4Eslg&oe=625DB431)

LOL!

But on the serious tip, taking out this ship is the moral equivalent of sinking the Bismarck
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 14, 2022, 09:23:29 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.

Trump was asked if Putin's invasion of Ukraine was evil.

He proceeded to attack NATO.


I think your repeated defense of Trump and assertion that he would have done something useful have about as much substance as Trump's "aggressive" counter to Kim Jong Un's nuclear missile building program.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

Quote
"What kind of American, let alone an ex-president, thinks that this is the right time to enter into a scheme with Vladimir Putin and brag about his connections to Vladimir Putin? There is only one, and it's Donald Trump," White House Communications Director Kate Bedingfield told reporters on March 30.

Yeah, your fawning all over Trump ignores everything Trump says and does - and said and did.

Kid is a true believer

Kid raised his petticoats for trump and is still, these years later, sprawled across the same hay bale in hope.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 14, 2022, 09:52:53 PM

The war is not escalating, it is redirecting. The same  flat earth theory of warfare is being practiced, but in a region in which Russia has shorter supply lines and fewer communication problems.



Really?  With planes now about to be at the ready?  Not escalating?  OK.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 14, 2022, 10:40:03 PM
This apparently is a real Ukrainian stamp image:
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/278423648_10228287325678420_1439929479650558964_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=zmhvHzPM3YQAX8Zr9_A&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT_I9-XyftoOP_UzfeCcCWgC7vzH0jWtXkXzq79Dw1tqkA&oe=625E967D)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 15, 2022, 12:18:55 AM
And now that warship is fucked.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 15, 2022, 03:45:16 AM
Well fucked. Finished in fact. On the bottom.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 15, 2022, 11:24:19 AM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.
In all seriousness, what has Trump ever said or done that would make anyone think he could have successfully handled Putin? Or led NATO through this? I am willing to back everything i posited with things he did and said. You? What do you think he would have done that would have had a better outcome?

If Trump were President Zelenskyy would be in exile or a Russian prison right now.
Title: Re: Ukraine soldier plays with fat cat
Post by: Holly Martins on April 15, 2022, 11:38:16 AM
(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/afs:Medium:117506943745/800.jpeg)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 15, 2022, 01:06:27 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/15/politics/russia-us-diplomatic-note/index.html

Russia has formally protested our aid to Ukraine and threatened "unpredictable consequences" should we proceed.

They also sent a cruise missile at Kyev. I'm sure it was a coincidence. Right?

Kid, I yield the point - the conflict has escalated.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 15, 2022, 01:17:37 PM
Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 15, 2022, 01:19:05 PM
The Russian government has just announced that the cruiser Moskva has been sent on a special mission to rid the floor of the Black Sea of Nazis.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 15, 2022, 01:27:27 PM
Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!
Yeah, that "unpredictable consequences" reminded me of the scene in Life of Brian where the guy who is about to be stoned for saying Jehovah says it again, and the guard tells him he is only making it worse. "Making it worse? How can it get any worse?" Jehovah! Jehovah!"

Putin is already leveling Ukraine. He already has nukes near the Baltic states. What is he going to do, yell at us?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 15, 2022, 01:58:51 PM
One thing for sure - diplomacy, led by Biden, has failed - and the war escalates.

You really think Trump and his people wouldnt have got something done by now? 

heh.

2.5 more lonnnnnng years......
Trump would have sided with Putin and taken Putin's word for why he invaded and what he intended to accomplish. We would not have supplied any arms to Ukraine unless they aided Ukraine politically. There would be no coordinated NATO response because Trump would not have led one. That is what Trump would have done based on his actual documented actions as President, and his comments after. Thank God we have an internationalist President who respects alliances and can hold NATO together.

You're out to lunch on this one, friend.
In all seriousness, what has Trump ever said or done that would make anyone think he could have successfully handled Putin? Or led NATO through this? I am willing to back everything i posited with things he did and said. You? What do you think he would have done that would have had a better outcome?

If Trump were President Zelenskyy would be in exile or a Russian prison right now.

True believer
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 15, 2022, 02:40:41 PM
Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 15, 2022, 02:56:27 PM
Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.

In that case it must nearly be time to start firing missiles into Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 15, 2022, 03:00:54 PM
Hopefully Putin has not lost the map with the circles on it showing which Russian cities are in range of NATO munitions at all times.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 15, 2022, 03:03:12 PM
Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.

In that case it must nearly be time to start firing missiles into Russia.

Bambu votes for thermonuclear war.

He isn't going to be alive much longer, so who cares about the future!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 15, 2022, 03:04:04 PM
Hopefully Putin has not lost the map with the circles on it showing which Russian cities are in range of NATO munitions at all times.

Putin, if he attacks, is likely betting that we don't want the kind of war that Bambu is hoping for.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 15, 2022, 06:02:07 PM
Total nuclear apostrophe.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 15, 2022, 06:39:02 PM
Total nuclear apostrophe.

We wouldn't be able to copy and past about it here at all!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 15, 2022, 07:14:32 PM
Total nuclear apostrophe.

We wouldn't be able to copy and past about it here at all!

The question remains are the directors of the FSB suicidal?

Or will they at some point escort Putin to a courtyard in the Lubyanka?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 15, 2022, 10:08:08 PM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 15, 2022, 10:26:21 PM
You have been a disappointment, luee. Due to the expectations, not very much of one.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 15, 2022, 10:42:51 PM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.


Whats the matter?

Joe is not fucking over the primitives enough?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 15, 2022, 10:45:08 PM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 16, 2022, 01:22:14 AM
Quote
An activist in Ivanovo named Dmitry Silin has been charged with the administrative offense of "discrediting Russia's military" because he handed out free copies of George Orwell's "1984."

There is, needless to say, not a single word about "Russia's military" in Orwell's novel.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 16, 2022, 03:21:51 AM
'Zelenskyy says world should be ready for Putin to use nuclear weapons'.

#####

Indeed.
Putin has no intention of losing.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 16, 2022, 04:17:28 AM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

The idea was to open the doors to political refugees. Not for cheap nannies, and drug dealing and sex trafficking sociopaths. Sleepy Joe must have sold his soul to the liberal elite to get nominated.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 16, 2022, 05:23:30 AM
Ukraine will continue to kick Russian ass and suffer greatly for the obligation to do so.

If Putin wants to try a tactical nuke or a strike into NATO or possibly even pushes too far with long range air to ground stuff deployed for the first time onto Mariupol just recently, he can kiss goodby St. Petersburg and any major military or industrial site west of Moscow for a start while at the same time crippling Russian relations with China and the global south. That is not to say he will not do it, just that he has a lot to lose by doing so.

Germany is signing off on an EU embargo of Russian oil. Germany is also getting ready to pass a billion or so of its own Euros into supplying Ukrainian military power in addition to every thing else coming in.

I am curious to see if Russia commits more heavy equipment to Ukraine mud or if it tries to wait out the weather with what it reconstitutes and lets the forces still in Ukraine fend for themselves in the meanwhile.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 16, 2022, 05:29:52 AM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

The idea was to open the doors to political refugees. Not for cheap nannies, and drug dealing and sex trafficking sociopaths. Sleepy Joe must have sold his soul to the liberal elite to get nominated.

The Russians have more of your head than they hold ground in Ukraine. You are a mental colostomy bag full of disinformation.

No offense.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 16, 2022, 10:34:40 AM
'Zelenskyy says world should be ready for Putin to use nuclear weapons'.

#####

Indeed.
Putin has no intention of losing.

He is already losing
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 16, 2022, 10:37:48 AM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

The idea was to open the doors to political refugees. Not for cheap nannies, and drug dealing and sex trafficking sociopaths. Sleepy Joe must have sold his soul to the liberal elite to get nominated.


Black people won the primary for Joe.

Black districts put him over the top in the general election.

You are a slave to the mentality of the conservative insurrection Party.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 16, 2022, 10:57:14 AM
Asylum is issued by need and not by race. Getting bombed and shot at overwhelms looking for streets of gold.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 16, 2022, 10:59:10 AM
Make sure you know where your pollock or salmon is coming from...Russia sneaks around the fish embargo by selling its catch to China, who then processes it and sells it as a product of China.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-miami-global-trade-e0aeaad0790e9919ef9757c343235aaa

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 16, 2022, 11:01:51 AM
Asylum is issued by need and not by race. Getting bombed and shot at overwhelms looking for streets of gold.

Hondurans and Salvadorans weren't getting shot at?  The facts about them fleeing gang warfare and eco disasters doesn't fit with your narrative.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 16, 2022, 11:05:47 AM
No comparison between whats happening in the Ukraine, and El Savadore.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 16, 2022, 11:13:37 AM
Asylum is issued by need and not by race. Getting bombed and shot at overwhelms looking for streets of gold.


You need to understand most folks fleeing Central America are not looking for streets of gold, they are looking to live without danger.

Do you know what is going on in East Africa? Ethiopia and Sudan are hell on earth.

Haiti? (Don you know WHY Haiti is so economically downtrodden? Ask France and the USA.)


Do you know what climate change has done to Honduras and how the gender violence has been exacerbated by the pandemic?

No, you do not.

Because you are a racist old fuck who believe white folks deserve our help while dark skinned people deserve whatever rotten fate they face.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 16, 2022, 11:15:11 AM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

The idea was to open the doors to political refugees. Not for cheap nannies, and drug dealing and sex trafficking sociopaths. Sleepy Joe must have sold his soul to the liberal elite to get nominated.

The Russians have more of your head than they hold ground in Ukraine. You are a mental colostomy bag full of disinformation.

No offense.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 16, 2022, 11:45:35 AM
No comparison between whats happening in the Ukraine, and El Savadore.

You don't even give enough of a fuck about non-whites to spell their country correctly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 16, 2022, 12:17:58 PM
The idea was to open the doors to political refugees. Not for cheap nannies, and drug dealing and sex trafficking sociopaths.

As others have pointed out, your biases are so great that you are aggressively ignoring what life is like for the folks making the trip to the Mexican border.

Quote
There are over 217,213 Nannies currently employed in the United States. 87.4% of all Nannies are women, while 9.3% are men. The average age of an employed Nanny is 38 years old. The most common ethnicity of Nannies is White (64.4%), followed by Hispanic or Latino (16.9%) and Black or African American (7.9%)

So, if every Hispanic or Latino nanny were an illegal immigrant who came through in 2021, that would be just over 2% of all undocumented arrivals through the south. Of course, they aren't.

The estimate is that we have 44 million undocumented folks in the US, half of whom are Latino or Hispanic. Assuming all of those came from South and Central America or the Islands, that would be 22,000,000.

The total Latino and Hispanic nanny population falls to 0.17% of the illegal Hispanic and Latino population.

Even if you included all domestic workers, it's maybe 1% of our illegal immigrant population.

There are maybe another 1% who are drug dealers, if you assume every drug dealer is an illegal immigrant from south of the border which is an absurd assumption.

That still leaves 98% of our illegal immigrants to account for, Luee! How are you going to do that?!

Sex traffickers? Luee, if we count all the Western Hemisphere forced laborers (which includes those being trafficked, not those doing the trafficking), that's only another 1.2 million people. News for you: They're not all in North America and they're not all Hispanic or Latino. But even if they were, there are still tens of millions of people to account for.

YOUR NUMBERS ARE STUPID and so are your assumptions about who they are and why they came.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 16, 2022, 04:54:21 PM
Just have Joe rewrite the laws so the US becomes an overpopulated crime ridden 3rd world country. I would rather bring in Kamala, "just stay home". Her folks waited the wait and learned the constitution made her more appreciative of the honor. She is selling out to no one.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 16, 2022, 05:17:43 PM
Predator and Reaper season is opening in Ukraine. It is too muddy right now for Russia to get its tanks home.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 16, 2022, 10:11:24 PM
Just have Joe rewrite the laws so the US becomes an overpopulated crime ridden 3rd world country. I would rather bring in Kamala, "just stay home". Her folks waited the wait and learned the constitution made her more appreciative of the honor. She is selling out to no one.

You are.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 16, 2022, 10:24:27 PM
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A fun fact to think about as you read about ordinary Russians believing propaganda about Ukrainian Nazis is that in 2003, 69% of Americans believed Saddam Hussein was "personally" involved in 9/11 and 82% believed he had provided assistance to Osama bin Laden. And we didn't need a state-controlled media or suppression of speech to get there -- the free press did that for us.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 17, 2022, 02:48:15 AM
9-11, Saddam, OBL, the invasion of the Ukraine. WTF are you talking about? The average Russian is as dumb as the average American? The free press is sometimes biased? Not funny at all, very sad!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 17, 2022, 09:44:32 AM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

Somebody fleeing a nation beccause they cannot earn is not a refugee.  Nor is one fleeing to join a gang.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 17, 2022, 10:42:45 AM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

Somebody fleeing a nation beccause they cannot earn is not a refugee.  Nor is one fleeing to join a gang.

But since the folks fleeing Central America and Haiti are not fleeing because of their earning potential, but for safety, they are refugees, even if neither you or Luee wants to admit it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 17, 2022, 02:49:48 PM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

Somebody fleeing a nation beccause they cannot earn is not a refugee.  Nor is one fleeing to join a gang.

Amazing how many conservatives claim to be Christian yet have no clue about the word.



Happy Easter
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 17, 2022, 02:56:25 PM
From World vision:


We use many different terms today for what the Bible calls strangers, foreigners, and sojourners. Here are a few:

Displaced persons: those who have been forced to leave their homes (community) due to violent conflict, war, or a natural disaster. These people temporarily live in another community in their country and usually return home when things improve.

Refugees: people who have been forced to leave their nation due to violent conflict or war. These people want to return to their country once the war or conflict is over. These situations often lead to years of displacement.

Migrants: those who have chosen to leave their home country, mainly to escape poverty. These people are making a permanent move and would not return unless conditions improved significantly.

Immigrants: very similar to migrant. Someone who moves to another country for any number of reasons, including marriage or other family ties, employment/business opportunity, etc. Some distinguish between immigrants with legal papers to enter a country and those without legal permission. This would not have been a consideration in Bible times.

Asylum seekers: individuals who ask to live in another country to escape severe religious or political persecution or another violation of their human rights. These people would not return home unless the reason for their move came to an end.

Stateless persons: those who are not a citizen under the laws of any country. People can become stateless in many ways, such as when a country ceases to exist or when a country adopts discriminatory laws that do not recognize certain ethnic groups within its borders.
Visitors: people coming into a country or community for a defined time. Some come for a vacation or sabbatical. Others come for an education. These individuals return home when that time period is over.

There are principles in God
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 17, 2022, 04:24:29 PM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

Somebody fleeing a nation beccause they cannot earn is not a refugee.  Nor is one fleeing to join a gang.

I am sorry to hear Belarus has rejected your application for asylum.

Have you tried North Korea?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 17, 2022, 05:19:58 PM
You can use any terms you please and play the religion card. Than there is the constitution and laws to protect the rights of actual citizens. Separation of church and state is an important right. Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise. Makes greater sense to help rebuild these broken economies.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 17, 2022, 05:29:50 PM
You can use any terms you please and play the religion card. Than there is the constitution and laws to protect the rights of actual citizens. Separation of church and state is an important right. Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise. Makes greater sense to help rebuild these broken economies.

So much for what you know, Luee:

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immigrants are protected by the U.S. Constitution. ... When it comes to key constitutional provisions like due process and equal treatment under the law, the U.S. Constitution applies to all persons - which includes both documented and undocumented immigrants - and not just U.S. citizens.

Further, the Constitution doesn't address immigration beyond some very specific and limited ways. So, no, they can't become president. Yes, the federal government is authorized to make decisions about immigration and immigrants. Also how to lose citizenship in the U.S.

But beyond that? No.

But I noticed that you have not responded to your stupid claims about nannies and drug dealers and sex traffickers wrt folks who came to the US without documentation.

Now you are bring up "broken economies" and ignoring the realities of the violence down there, persisting in your BULLSHIT about broken economies.

Sure, we broke their economies, but it is the violence and rape that they are escaping.

You think what I called you was a terrible insult?

It wasn't an insult, just an observation.

Yes, you, Luee, are full of shit.

And you cannot admit when you are wrong, which makes you that much more full of shit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 17, 2022, 06:17:31 PM
 "You're full of shit" means you have no argument just contempt for civility.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 17, 2022, 06:20:45 PM
That is what we have been saying. You now seem to recognize it. The question now is what are you going to do?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 17, 2022, 07:21:32 PM
"You're full of shit" means you have no argument just contempt for civility.

It would mean that about me were it not for the fact that I have provided you with FACTS about (a) nannies, (b) drug dealers, and (c) sex trafficked victims to go along with the number of undocumented residents of the United States, in response to one of your oft repeated LIES.

I have also provided you with FACTS about the state of things in the countries from which those seeking to enter the US from Central America are fleeing.

You have responded to NEITHER post.

I have contempt for you, Luee, for your mealy-mouthed ways and your unwillingness to respond seriously when a serious post is made to counter your crap.

I have further contempt for you for your then claiming that I "have no argument," after you have both made unsubstantiated claims and then ignored the information in front of you.


But you are the person who blasted Biden for paying attention to Ukraine when in your eyes it was obvious that Russia wasn't going to invade, then blasted him for not doing enough to prevent it, and now blast him for the inadequacy of his response.

Face it, Luee, there is nothing Biden could have done to earn your support. The rest of this is just onion skin paper covering for that.

IOW, Luee, you are full of shit!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 17, 2022, 07:32:07 PM
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Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 17, 2022, 09:12:46 PM
You can use any terms you please and play the religion card. Than there is the constitution and laws to protect the rights of actual citizens. Separation of church and state is an important right. Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise. Makes greater sense to help rebuild these broken economies.

Fuck you!

Your family was allowed to scale the ladder and you want to pull the ladder up behind you.

The constitution did not protect my voting rights until 1965 then John Roberts took that shit back in 2013 and my family was here before the fucking Constitution.

Help them fix their economies?

Hell, Republicans will not let us fix this place and they are dismantling our education system and raising generations of dumb fucks who want t go back to an America that never existed
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 17, 2022, 10:19:20 PM
You can use any terms you please and play the religion card. Than there is the constitution and laws to protect the rights of actual citizens. Separation of church and state is an important right. Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise. Makes greater sense to help rebuild these broken economies.

Fuck you!

Your family was allowed to scale the ladder and you want to pull the ladder up behind you.

The constitution did not protect my voting rights until 1965 then John Roberts took that shit back in 2013 and my family was here before the fucking Constitution.

Help them fix their economies?

Hell, Republicans will not let us fix this place and they are dismantling our education system and raising generations of dumb fucks who want t go back to an America that never existed
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 18, 2022, 03:30:04 AM
Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.

In that case it must nearly be time to start firing missiles into Russia.

Bambu votes for thermonuclear war.

He isn't going to be alive much longer, so who cares about the future!

Nah...but what do you suggest the West does if Putin drops a nuke bomb on Kyiv/anywhere in Ukraine, or launches a missile attack on a NATO air base?
Or starts invading/bombing Poland or another NATO, say Latvia?

...because judging by the policies of today the West would do ...nothing beyond what it's doing now.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 18, 2022, 08:06:37 AM
Seems like the choice is:

Stop sending weapons to Ukraine and I, Vlad, will reduce the country to rubble, claim the rubble heap for my empire, and then go start on the Baltics.

OR

Keep sending weapons and I will keep trying to reduce the country to rubble, etc.  Plus I will be reallly upset with you!

The question is whether Putin will do something outside of Ukraine in response or escalate types of weapons he's using to tactical nukes.

For example, he could attack whatever we use to transport the weapons or copters. Or he could launch a missile at a NATO airbase.

In that case it must nearly be time to start firing missiles into Russia.

Bambu votes for thermonuclear war.

He isn't going to be alive much longer, so who cares about the future!

Nah...but what do you suggest the West does if Putin drops a nuke bomb on Kyiv/anywhere in Ukraine, or launches a missile attack on a NATO air base?
Or starts invading/bombing Poland or another NATO, say Latvia?

...because judging by the policies of today the West would do ...nothing beyond what it's doing now.

Putin will do whatever he is going to do.

Right now he is getting his ass kicked.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 18, 2022, 10:33:42 AM
You can use any terms you please and play the religion card. Than there is the constitution and laws to protect the rights of actual citizens. Separation of church and state is an important right. Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise. Makes greater sense to help rebuild these broken economies.

Fuck you!

Your family was allowed to scale the ladder and you want to pull the ladder up behind you.

The constitution did not protect my voting rights until 1965 then John Roberts took that shit back in 2013 and my family was here before the fucking Constitution.

Help them fix their economies?

Hell, Republicans will not let us fix this place and they are dismantling our education system and raising generations of dumb fucks who want t go back to an America that never existed

All whitemen are not the same just like all Afro Americans are not the same., the southern politico, warmonger LBJ is not the same as FDR. Abraham Lincoln, a republican, is not the same as Jefferson Davis
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 18, 2022, 11:13:39 AM
You can use any terms you please and play the religion card. Than there is the constitution and laws to protect the rights of actual citizens. Separation of church and state is an important right. Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise. Makes greater sense to help rebuild these broken economies.

Fuck you!

Your family was allowed to scale the ladder and you want to pull the ladder up behind you.

The constitution did not protect my voting rights until 1965 then John Roberts took that shit back in 2013 and my family was here before the fucking Constitution.

Help them fix their economies?

Hell, Republicans will not let us fix this place and they are dismantling our education system and raising generations of dumb fucks who want t go back to an America that never existed

All whitemen are not the same just like all Afro Americans are not the same., the southern politico, warmonger LBJ is not the same as FDR. Abraham Lincoln, a republican, is not the same as Jefferson Davis

That is a bucket of bullshit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 18, 2022, 12:50:07 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/economy/moscow-job-losses-mayor/index.html

200,000 people losing jobs.

$41 million dollars set aside to aid those people.

If my math is not failing me, that's just over $200 per person impacted. Even granting their economy is different than ours, it's hard to see that money going very far, even without inflation more rampant than ours.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 18, 2022, 01:02:14 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/economy/moscow-job-losses-mayor/index.html

200,000 people losing jobs.

$41 million dollars set aside to aid those people.

If my math is not failing me, that's just over $200 per person impacted. Even granting their economy is different than ours, it's hard to see that money going very far, even without inflation more rampant than ours.

So sad. Putin is so evil and selfish. There are no winners in this war. And we are going to have poor desperate people flooding into Alaska from Russia, you can count on it, I bet the Russians come to Alaska and to other states, as well as to Canada.

And we have the desperate people from Ukraine, who will be coming to the USA and to Canada. I recommend that they come to Nevada, and Kentucky. Everyone wants to come to California, Florida, and New York, but those three are expensive, whereas Nevada and Kentucky are cheap. We can help the refugees and the homeless and the immigrants all at once, they can live in the same apartment complexes, they can go to the same doctors, and they can shop at the same grocery stores.

Housing, doctors, and grocery stores, those three are so important, and also school for the children, and college and job training for the adults, and English language classes for the adults.

We need to prepare for desperate Russian refugees, right along with the desperate Ukrainians. There are no winners in this war. Putin is wrong.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 18, 2022, 01:07:48 PM
Make sure you know where your pollock or salmon is coming from...Russia sneaks around the fish embargo by selling its catch to China, who then processes it and sells it as a product of China.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-miami-global-trade-e0aeaad0790e9919ef9757c343235aaa

Never do I buy any food "made in China"....or "product of China".
Nor do I buy anything else "made in China", if I don't have to.
Nor anything "owned by China", which often requires much research...if I don't have to.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 18, 2022, 01:25:08 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/economy/moscow-job-losses-mayor/index.html

200,000 people losing jobs.

$41 million dollars set aside to aid those people.

If my math is not failing me, that's just over $200 per person impacted. Even granting their economy is different than ours, it's hard to see that money going very far, even without inflation more rampant than ours.

So sad. Putin is so evil and selfish. There are no winners in this war. And we are going to have poor desperate people flooding into Alaska from Russia, you can count on it, I bet the Russians come to Alaska and to other states, as well as to Canada.

And we have the desperate people from Ukraine, who will be coming to the USA and to Canada. I recommend that they come to Nevada, and Kentucky. Everyone wants to come to California, Florida, and New York, but those three are expensive, whereas Nevada and Kentucky are cheap. We can help the refugees and the homeless and the immigrants all at once, they can live in the same apartment complexes, they can go to the same doctors, and they can shop at the same grocery stores.

Housing, doctors, and grocery stores, those three are so important, and also school for the children, and college and job training for the adults, and English language classes for the adults.

We need to prepare for desperate Russian refugees, right along with the desperate Ukrainians. There are no winners in this war. Putin is wrong.

Salute,

Tony V.

You don't have to have "poor, desperate people" flooding into Alaska or any other state from Russia.
Said People should be made stay in Russia and fight Putin and Co.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 18, 2022, 01:37:12 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/18/economy/moscow-job-losses-mayor/index.html

200,000 people losing jobs.

$41 million dollars set aside to aid those people.

If my math is not failing me, that's just over $200 per person impacted. Even granting their economy is different than ours, it's hard to see that money going very far, even without inflation more rampant than ours.

So sad. Putin is so evil and selfish. There are no winners in this war. And we are going to have poor desperate people flooding into Alaska from Russia, you can count on it, I bet the Russians come to Alaska and to other states, as well as to Canada.

And we have the desperate people from Ukraine, who will be coming to the USA and to Canada. I recommend that they come to Nevada, and Kentucky. Everyone wants to come to California, Florida, and New York, but those three are expensive, whereas Nevada and Kentucky are cheap. We can help the refugees and the homeless and the immigrants all at once, they can live in the same apartment complexes, they can go to the same doctors, and they can shop at the same grocery stores.

Housing, doctors, and grocery stores, those three are so important, and also school for the children, and college and job training for the adults, and English language classes for the adults.

We need to prepare for desperate Russian refugees, right along with the desperate Ukrainians. There are no winners in this war. Putin is wrong.

Salute,

Tony V.

You don't have to have "poor, desperate people" flooding into Alaska or any other state from Russia.
Said People should be made stay in Russia and fight Putin and Co.

That you haven't been reading it doesn't mean that there aren't any. This is from March:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/8/we-are-refugees-russians-flee-rising-authoritarianism

There are also stories from Russians who have made their way to Mexico and are at the US border.

Your empathy is duly noted: "make them stay." I continue to be glad you have no authority.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 18, 2022, 07:59:18 PM
Ah yes, fleeing refugees...like the ones from Iraq and Afghanistan, young men fleeing to America ....and also paying people smugglers to take them to Australia where the Leftist govt welcomed them with open arms...while young Americans/C.O.W. troops etc ...Michelle Witmer died in Iraq...were sent there to fight and die to rid the world of Saddam and the Taliban.
Saddam lost, Taliban won.

Abu Ghraib and all that...must check to see how Lynndie is travelling along life's road these days.
See Saddam and the Taliban having war crimes trials? 
Lynndie and Sabrina were convicted and tossed in prison, didn't even kill anyone. That photo of Lynndie with the leash was staged you know.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 18, 2022, 08:04:23 PM
Ukrainians welcomed...while Haitians deported.

https://www.newsweek.com/us-criticized-welcoming-ukrainians-haitians-face-deportation-1691620 (https://www.newsweek.com/us-criticized-welcoming-ukrainians-haitians-face-deportation-1691620)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 18, 2022, 09:19:08 PM
I fail to see how Putin is not winning:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61117056 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61117056)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 18, 2022, 09:23:08 PM
I fail to see how Putin is not winning:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61117056 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61117056)

Yes.

We understand your mental deficiencies, Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 18, 2022, 09:24:15 PM
That photo of Lynndie with the leash was staged you know.

By Lynndie and cohort.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 18, 2022, 11:55:36 PM
"Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise."

I pointed out that OUR Constitution doesn't say otherwise. See below.

Then you cited part of the US Code when I said it wasn't in the Constitution, but the US Code is not the Constitution.

Yes, the government is directed to govern. Duh. So, there is code to allow them to govern.

And yes, I am the moderator, but for some reason you only bring it up when you are making stupid arguments.

This is one of them.

You can use any terms you please and play the religion card. Than there is the constitution and laws to protect the rights of actual citizens. Separation of church and state is an important right. Your mangod says the US should accept anyone. My constitution says otherwise. Makes greater sense to help rebuild these broken economies.

So much for what you know, Luee:

Quote
immigrants are protected by the U.S. Constitution. ... When it comes to key constitutional provisions like due process and equal treatment under the law, the U.S. Constitution applies to all persons - which includes both documented and undocumented immigrants - and not just U.S. citizens.

Further, the Constitution doesn't address immigration beyond some very specific and limited ways. So, no, they can't become president. Yes, the federal government is authorized to make decisions about immigration and immigrants. Also how to lose citizenship in the U.S.

But beyond that? No.

But I noticed that you have not responded to your stupid claims about nannies and drug dealers and sex traffickers wrt folks who came to the US without documentation.

Now you are bring up "broken economies" and ignoring the realities of the violence down there, persisting in your BULLSHIT about broken economies.

Sure, we broke their economies, but it is the violence and rape that they are escaping.

You think what I called you was a terrible insult?

It wasn't an insult, just an observation.

Yes, you, Luee, are full of shit.

And you cannot admit when you are wrong, which makes you that much more full of shit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 19, 2022, 01:45:23 AM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 19, 2022, 10:47:31 AM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?
Flight from a legitimate fear of political persecution is not dependent on an extant war in your borders, moron.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 19, 2022, 12:45:49 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Be it ever so humble there's no place like Nome!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 19, 2022, 12:55:15 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Be it ever so humble there's no place like Nome!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 19, 2022, 01:35:45 PM
Joe has been a big disappointment to me. Holding back on planes and heavy arms from the brave Ukies. Making sociopaths feel freer on big streets and welcoming southern border aliens. Not much better than the delusional Trump would have done. I would like to see a new younger face in 24.

Luee only likes white refugees, not brown ones.

Somebody fleeing a nation beccause they cannot earn is not a refugee.  Nor is one fleeing to join a gang.

But since the folks fleeing Central America and Haiti are not fleeing because of their earning potential, but for safety, they are refugees, even if neither you or Luee wants to admit it.

attaboy
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 19, 2022, 01:49:15 PM
The hope is that Putin will come to his senses and just stop the war, but he has already crossed the line into evil and he has committed crimes against humanity, so at this point I would tell the people of Ukraine to take the fight to Putin, instead of just sitting there getting bombed and killed, the people of Ukraine need to take the fight to Putin, and they need to go kill Putin.

The women and children and old people can go to Alaska, and to Nevada, and to Kentucky, and to Canada, etc, etc, etc, while the young healthy men need to go kill Putin.

And we need to find allies in Russia who can help to kill Putin, and who can replace Putin and run Russia after Putin is removed.

Right makes might.

And at this point, even if Putin stops, he is still a war criminal who has committed crimes against humanity, and I think he needs to be held accountable. Putin crossed the line, and he needs to be held accountable.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 19, 2022, 02:00:08 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Be it ever so humble there's no place like Nome!
Where the Russian refugees can dine on the best Eggs Benedict. Because as everyone knows, there is no place like Nome for the hollandaise.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 19, 2022, 02:15:33 PM
Russia has deployed up to 20,000 mercenaries from Syria, Libya and elsewhere in Ukraine
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 19, 2022, 02:17:47 PM
The mercenaries are being thrown into the Russian effort to capture as much as possible of eastern Ukraine, in what western defence officials have described as a rush to have some sort of victory that Vladimir Putin can announce at the 9 May military parade in Moscow commemorating the second world war.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 19, 2022, 02:19:27 PM
The hope is that Putin will come to his senses and just stop the war

There is no hope that he will come to his senses.

There is slight hope that he will see a threat to his position if he continues and therefore stop, but it seems unlikely.

Nor is there much hope of sufficient uprising of Russians because of the deaths of tens of thousands of their soldiers.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 19, 2022, 02:49:09 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Be it ever so humble there's no place like Nome!
Where the Russian refugees can dine on the best Eggs Benedict. Because as everyone knows, there is no place like Nome for the hollandaise.

<rimshot!>
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 19, 2022, 02:50:02 PM
Russia has deployed up to 20,000 mercenaries from Syria, Libya and elsewhere in Ukraine


More cannon fodder.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 19, 2022, 02:55:01 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Be it ever so humble there's no place like Nome!
Where the Russian refugees can dine on the best Eggs Benedict. Because as everyone knows, there is no place like Nome for the hollandaise.

There's no topping that. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 19, 2022, 03:01:15 PM
It is ironic that we are discussing Putin on Elba, as the parallels with Napoleon exist, and it would be great to just remove Putin at this time and banish him to a small island.

Nice jokes about Nome and Eggs Benedict.

Bambu, sadly desperate people will sometimes do bad things such as fight as mercenaries for bad people, that is why we need for the World Bank and the IMF and the Peace Corps and others to do good things and to help to create good opportunities for the desperate people. They can be trained to be nurses at hospitals, etc, and they can do other good things, if they are given honest opportunities instead of bad opportunities. We need to create honest opportunities so that people can stay honest. And for instance, in Colombia they used to have child soldiers fighting for the communist drug dealers, but that is all over now, now we help the children to go to school, and we help to feed the children, and we buy the Colombian coffee, etc, and things are improving in Colombia. Colombia is a success story, and we need to keep buying the Colombian coffee and we need to keep educating the children, we are making a lot of progress in Colombia. And the President of Colombia attended Harvard.

We need for the world to become a better, more civilized place, not get worse. And as we have millions of homeless and displaced people in the world we need to guide our world towards getting the people into housing, and we need to expand education, etc. And Latin America needs libraries, etc, and the USA needs more book stores, etc.

Instead of moving towards violence, and brutality, and ignorance, and selfishness, and greed, then we need to move towards kindness, and civility, and generosity, and towards wisdom.

The people of the USA need to all be equal, and we need to have brotherhood for the good from sea to shining sea. And we need to be a force for good in the world, and advancements in medical care, we need to keep giving good things to the world.

And with all of the television, and radio, and movies, and books, etc, we need to strive to give good stuff to the world that will help us to be better people.

Colombia is a success story, and we need to keep moving ahead in good ways.

We also have Kiwanis International and other groups helping people.

The world must not let people like Putin cause us to become uncivilized. And the killing and raping must stop.

And for instance, I have seen the bad that illegal drugs cause in the world, and thus I would never be a drug dealer, no matter how hungry I get I am not going to sell cocaine or meth or heroin, I would starve and die and still not sell illegal drugs, and so if we can reach the children young we can teach them to avoid the illegal drugs, and if we teach them honest ways to make money then they are not going to do bad things out of desperation. For the youth it is all about education, education, and more education. And we can use film and television and music to try to teach people, etc.

We need peace and we need to be civilized. They say for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, but we need more than that, we need to stop Putin and we need to help the people, plus deal with the issues that we have outside of Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 19, 2022, 03:30:32 PM
Here is the link for UNICEF in Ukraine...

https://www.unicef.org/ukraine/en

I once worked for a Vet who was Marine who served as a dog handler in World War II, and he had a photo of the United Nations on the wall of his dog kennel, and he believed that the UN could prevent World War III, he had great hopes for the UN.

And Audrey Hepburn starved as a child during World War II, they named a tulip after her because she ate flowers when she was starving. Audrey fully supported UNICEF. God bless UNICEF for going in and feeding the hungry children of war.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 19, 2022, 03:50:20 PM
The mercenaries are being thrown into the Russian effort to capture as much as possible of eastern Ukraine, in what western defence officials have described as a rush to have some sort of victory that Vladimir Putin can announce at the 9 May military parade in Moscow commemorating the second world war.

Sooner or later the FSB is gonna take out Putin
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 19, 2022, 04:24:30 PM
The World Bank and the IMF are already planning how to rebuild Ukraine after the war, money and banking are a huge part of civilization, and they not only want to rebuild Ukraine, but they want to rebuild Ukraine to be better than how it was before the war. Like Biden they want to BUILD BACK BETTER. So, that is good, we have people in powerful positions who are planning on how to build Ukraine back better than how it was before the war.

The World Bank also said that people need to lock in low interest rates on their loans before inflation causes the rates to rise. They want for the poor nations to lock in their loans at low rates before the rates rise. And when poor nations borrow money, they do not want them to borrow to just stay at the same level of debt, they want for the people to plan and borrow enough money so that they can improve their situation and rise out of debt. We need for people to plan, and to study, and to learn, so that they can rise and succeed when they are given the funding that they need. We need for the people of Ukraine to plan and prepare so that they can build back better after the war is over, the money will be there when they need it, they need to plan on how to best spend the money when the time comes.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 19, 2022, 06:44:17 PM
Putin has gotten only more evil since he has jumped into bed with, broken, and ridden English speaking conservative parties, republicans, tories, and Scummos gang in Oz. It goes to prove even in its nastiest form love rubs off both ways strengthening the affinities of the lovers.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 19, 2022, 06:57:48 PM
Putin has gotten only more evil since he has jumped into bed with, broken, and ridden English speaking conservative parties, republicans, tories, and Scummos gang in Oz. It goes to prove even in its nastiest form love rubs off both ways strengthening the affinities of the lovers.

Putin didn't get as far as Oz, the Russian Bear is 'king' in Indonesia/Asia.
The 'US President' is 'king' in Australia.

No need for US troops to get slaughtered trying to defend Australia...all that's needed in bambuland are nukes of all types, including nuke armed subs.
China etc need to know that any invasion of Australia would see millions die in their homelands, and their large cities wiped out.
Ukraine was not prepared, no nukes etc...look what's happening to it as a result.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 19, 2022, 10:17:17 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Usually a strong ethic there - but some are in gangs I am sure.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 12:09:34 AM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Usually a strong ethic there - but some are in gangs I am sure.

Yes, Russian mafia is a good bet.
No ID or background checks needed..."come one, come all, welcome to your new and better life".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 20, 2022, 11:14:34 AM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Usually a strong ethic there - but some are in gangs I am sure.

Yes, Russian mafia is a good bet.
No ID or background checks needed..."come one, come all, welcome to your new and better life".
You have no clue how the system works or what our policy actually is.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 20, 2022, 11:16:11 AM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Usually a strong ethic there - but some are in gangs I am sure.

Yes, Russian mafia is a good bet.
No ID or background checks needed..."come one, come all, welcome to your new and better life".
You have no clue how the system works or what our policy actually is.

Or care.

But unlike Luee or Ward, sometimes he can admit he made a mistake.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 20, 2022, 01:59:49 PM
Bruno Serato

3 hours

ESCAPING THE WAR IN 2022 SOUND UNREAL BUT THIS 2 KIDS FROM UKRAINE DONE THAT.

YES CHEF BRUNO I WAS VERY SCARE HE SAY.

LEFT IN TRAIN AND BUSSES TRAVEL FROM UKRAINE TO SLOVACHIA TO AUSTRIA TO ALBANIA TO TURKEY AND FLEW FROM ISTANBUL TO MEXICO CITY AND TIJUANA AND STAY AT UKRAINE REFUGEE CAMP IN TJ.

ENTER LEGALY TO USA ALSO THANKS TO HIS MOM BEST FRIEND TODAY HAVE ROOF HERE IN O.C.

THEY HAD NOTHING LEFT BUT SOME O.C FRIEND DONATED CLOTHES HE TOLD ME.

I INVITE THEM FOR DINNER AND TREAT THEM LIKE KING SINCE HE GOT TO SPEND HIS 17 YEAR BIRTHDAY IN CAMP.
VERY SMART KIDS THAT SPEAK 4 LANGUAGE AND LOVE SOCCER.

FUNNY SISTER.

GREAT MOM.

ANYONE THAT WANT TO HELP SERGEY AND FAMILY CAN CONTACT CATERINASCLUB OFFICE DIRECTLY

http://WWW.CATERINASCLUB.ORG


--------------

We have refugees from Ukraine arriving in the OC, they are flying from Turkey to Mexico, and then they are coming up to California from Mexico.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 20, 2022, 02:55:26 PM
It is important for the good people to help the refugees so that they do not fall prey to the bad people.

Aid groups such as Kiwanis International are there to help the refugees, and we have labor unions.

I recommend going somewhere cheap like Battle Mountain, Nevada, or Nome, Alaska, or Carrolton, Kentucky, but many refugees are going to choose the expensive areas and they are coming here to California and to the OC.

The average price of a home here in the OC is over one million dollars, whereas they can buy land in Battle Mountain, Nevada, for one thousand dollars per acre.

If they are going to come to California, then they need to embrace all of the help that is available. We have 60,000 homeless people in Los Angeles alone, so times are already hard for a lot of people. And the refugees can learn from the Mexicans on how to survive in California.

We have great schools in California, and we have a lot of good peaceful people, and we have farms for the people who want to work on farms, we have technology, we have the movie business, we have everything in California. I am sure many refugees will rise to the top here. California is hard, but it can be great if you succeed, you just need to study, and work hard, and you need to network, and you need to accept help wherever help is available. We have a lot of good people here and the refugees need to let the good people help them.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 20, 2022, 05:18:27 PM
Right on, Tony!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 06:01:19 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Usually a strong ethic there - but some are in gangs I am sure.

Yes, Russian mafia is a good bet.
No ID or background checks needed..."come one, come all, welcome to your new and better life".
You have no clue how the system works or what our policy actually is.

Or care.

But unlike Luee or Ward, sometimes he can admit he made a mistake.

Oh I care...because what they get away with in America usually ends up on my doorstep being govt policy.
At the very thought of the Left being the new federal govt in bambuworld the people-smuggling boats in Indonesia are reportedly being readied for travel. 
 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 06:09:03 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Sovereign_Borders#:~:text=Operation%20Sovereign%20Borders%20(OSB)%20is,of%20asylum%20seekers%20to%20Australia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 06:10:34 PM
Operation Sovereign Borders (OSB) is a border protection operation led by the Australian Defence Force, aimed at stopping maritime arrivals of asylum seekers to Australia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 20, 2022, 06:13:08 PM
We have our Statue Of Liberty, and in the USA ALL people are created equal with the same rights given by God. People from everywhere fought and died for the USA, for FREEDOM and for good human rights for ALL people.

Sure, an immigrant can rent a home on Craig's List without a background check or ID, but so can a Veteran, and everyone else, all people are equal on Craig's List and there is freedom on Craig's List for all people.

And we have Kiwanis and other aid groups to help our immigrants, we are set up to help immigrants here in the USA and we have a lot of land.

And if the ends justify the means then we can be a land of great peace and prosperity where people can have great lives.

The refugees are welcome here, and so are the Mexicans, and the light of liberty must burn bright in the USA.

Send the people from Indonesia to Minnesota. They can open restaurants.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 20, 2022, 06:17:22 PM
And if the ends justify the means ...

We had best hope that the folks making decisions don't decide that the ends justify the means.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 06:23:38 PM
There are genuine refugees, in UNHCR camps around the world.
Some of the refugees are living in very bad conditions, sleeping standing up in mud, one report.

Then there are "asylum-seekers" with pockets full of 'gold', who fly etc to Indonesia..where they are quite safe and living well.
Their real destination though being Australia...the land of milk and honey...for a better life...including free welfare cash for life etc, etc, etc.

Former President of Indonesia, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, said "take the honey off the table"!
So the Conservative govt, of which ScoMo is now Prime Minister did, in 2013...and 'Operation Sovereign Borders' was born [again].
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 06:36:10 PM
We have our Statue Of Liberty, and in the USA ALL people are created equal with the same rights given by God. People from everywhere fought and died for the USA, for FREEDOM and for good human rights for ALL people.

Sure, an immigrant can rent a home on Craig's List without a background check or ID, but so can a Veteran, and everyone else, all people are equal on Craig's List and there is freedom on Craig's List for all people.

And we have Kiwanis and other aid groups to help our immigrants, we are set up to help immigrants here in the USA and we have a lot of land.

And if the ends justify the means then we can be a land of great peace and prosperity where people can have great lives.

The refugees are welcome here, and so are the Mexicans, and the light of liberty must burn bright in the USA.

Send the people from Indonesia to Minnesota. They can open restaurants.

Salute,

Tony V.

Legal immigrants and legal refugees [approved by US etc govts] are one thing...queue-jumping "asylum-seekers"/"refugees"/"economic immigrants" are quite another.
Can't just have people waltzing into one's country without permission just because they want a better life.
The whole of Africa, Middle East, Europe, South America, Central America etc can't just move into USA etc because life is better there.

Open restaurants in Minnesota?
The ones waiting in Indonesia might've done that given the chance...or might not have too.

Minnesota featured in the movie 'North Country'...equal rights for women in the iron mines and then around the world.
Working in those iron mines was no picnic.
Looked like a cold and bleak state...although might've been better in summer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 20, 2022, 06:51:36 PM
At the very thought of the Left being the new federal govt in bambuworld the people-smuggling boats in Indonesia are reportedly being readied for travel.

That is just what I hear the scumbags are telling each other down there. Is it to distract from the terrible governing majority, economy, or the mice?

Could use some new blood down there I hear, with better ideas and some moral fiber for a change.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 20, 2022, 07:06:30 PM

Legal immigrants and legal refugees [approved by US etc govts] are one thing...queue-jumping "asylum-seekers"

Asylum seekers are legally and morally entitled to jump the line and should be.

Your personal biases have no place in this discussion.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 07:28:12 PM
At the very thought of the Left being the new federal govt in bambuworld the people-smuggling boats in Indonesia are reportedly being readied for travel.

That is just what I hear the scumbags are telling each other down there. Is it to distract from the terrible governing majority, economy, or the mice?

Could use some new blood down there I hear, with better ideas and some moral fiber for a change.

The mice have gone, for now.
The economy is good.
The Left have better ideas?  depends where one sits. All the free stuff being offered is fine...but someone is gonna be paying for it one way or another. Won't be team bambu, we won't be around 'forever', but young people will.They'll be the one's paying for all the debt.
Young people will have to deal with a China owned Asia Pacific. They'll be lying in the bed they make for themselves.

The Left downunder doesn't have the mindset for Operation Sovereign Borders...so the people-smuggling trade will certainly commence again, just like it did last time a Leftist govt was elected in 2007.

People can fly in and seek asylum, as they have passports/documentation. Then deported if their case is not acceptable.
But under OSB people arriving by people-smuggling boats will not ever be resettled in Australia. They will be towed back to Indonesia, where they were safe and living well.
They'll be fine if the Left is elected to govt...until the trickle becomes a flood, and the boats are arriving like a taxi service from Indonesia.
Sri Lankan navy stopped the boats leaving its shores.

There are only so many "refugee'" spots available per annum for refugees from UNHCR global camps.
For every person arriving by people-smuggling boat, a person in a UNHCR camp misses out.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 20, 2022, 07:33:18 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Usually a strong ethic there - but some are in gangs I am sure.

Yes, Russian mafia is a good bet.
No ID or background checks needed..."come one, come all, welcome to your new and better life".
You have no clue how the system works or what our policy actually is.

Or care.

But unlike Luee or Ward, sometimes he can admit he made a mistake.

Oh I care...because what they get away with in America usually ends up on my doorstep being govt policy.
At the very thought of the Left being the new federal govt in bambuworld the people-smuggling boats in Indonesia are reportedly being readied for travel.

Ever think the left might stop the exploitation of Indonesia by oil cartels?

If my house is not fucked up why would I want to leave my house?


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 07:59:17 PM
Hang on a minute...refugees from Russia?
Where's the war in Russia?
So they'd be 'economic refugees/immigrants' looking for a better life?
Pouring into Alaska/US...nice, and just where will they be living, working, getting treatment in hospitals etc?

Usually a strong ethic there - but some are in gangs I am sure.

Yes, Russian mafia is a good bet.
No ID or background checks needed..."come one, come all, welcome to your new and better life".
You have no clue how the system works or what our policy actually is.

Or care.

But unlike Luee or Ward, sometimes he can admit he made a mistake.

Oh I care...because what they get away with in America usually ends up on my doorstep being govt policy.
At the very thought of the Left being the new federal govt in bambuworld the people-smuggling boats in Indonesia are reportedly being readied for travel.

Ever think the left might stop the exploitation of Indonesia by oil cartels?

If my house is not fucked up why would I want to leave my house?

It's not Indonesians leaving on the people-smuggling boats as passengers, it was mostly 'asylum-seekers'/'refugees'/'economic immigrants' [call them what you like] from the Middle East, and Pakistanis posing as Afghans. [We might be 'dumb, drink, racist, and backward', but we have a dingo-cunning system for weeding out fakes and liars]

Part of OSB is Regional Deterrence Framework...which includes;

. Communications campaigns to raise awareness within local villages that people smuggling is a criminal activity;
. A capped boat buy-back scheme that was to provide an incentive for owners of decrepit and dangerously unsafe boats to sell their boats to government officials rather than people smugglers;
. Support for wardens in local communities, whose role was to be to provide intelligence information to the Indonesian National Police on people smuggling operations;
. The option in exceptional circumstances for bounty payments for the provision of information resulting in significant disruptions or arrests leading to convictions.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 20, 2022, 08:22:50 PM
I think you meant drunk, mate.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 20, 2022, 08:31:38 PM
I think you meant drunk, mate.

I did.
That'll teach me not to do more than one thing at a time ...and to proof read posts.  :)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 21, 2022, 10:40:29 PM
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2022/04/20/spacex-shut-down-a-russian-electromagnetic-warfare-attack-in-ukraine-last-month-and-the-pentagon-is-taking-notes
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 22, 2022, 05:29:22 AM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 22, 2022, 10:10:04 AM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.

Sleepy Jo says no to planes. Might make Vlad angry to be carpet bombed to Moscow. Just rusted out junk from the 80's. What is he waiting for?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 22, 2022, 10:20:38 AM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.

Sleepy Jo says no to planes. Might make Vlad angry to be carpet bombed to Moscow. Just rusted out junk from the 80's. What is he waiting for?

Given that he said yes to planes and Ukraine has received them, just shut the fuck up, will you, ignoramous?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 22, 2022, 11:26:09 AM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.

Sleepy Jo says no to planes. Might make Vlad angry to be carpet bombed to Moscow. Just rusted out junk from the 80's. What is he waiting for?


Go back to sleep, Rip Van luee
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 22, 2022, 04:01:57 PM
Vatican News

1 hour

In an interview with Argentinian daily newspaper 'La Nacion,' Pope Francis says even if he is not planning to go to Kyiv or meet Patriarch Kirill in the near future, "there are always" ongoing efforts to arrive at peace in Ukraine. "The Vatican never rests," the Pope insists, noting, "I cannot tell you the details because they would cease to be diplomatic efforts. But the attempts will never stop."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2022, 04:59:55 PM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.

Sleepy Jo says no to planes. Might make Vlad angry to be carpet bombed to Moscow. Just rusted out junk from the 80's. What is he waiting for?

Given that he said yes to planes and Ukraine has received them, just shut the fuck up, will you, ignoramous?

LPL

Sloww goin with the military aid
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 22, 2022, 06:16:21 PM
Solomon Islands...nowhere near America, but;

Solomons' Opposition leader seemed to say on my tv last night that govt officials have or will be having luxury homes built behind security walls, and their children educated at top universities in China.

US State Department spokesman Ned Price on Tuesday said that assurances from Solomons Prime Minister Manasseh Sogavare that there would be no Chinese naval bases had not convinced the US that the deal was ...
...in the region's best interest.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Way too close to Australia's NE coast for the liking of bambuworld.
Like Ukraine, Australia was encouraged not to arm itself greatly, but to sign nuclear non-proliferation treaties instead.
Now look what's happening to "sitting duck" Ukraine, invasion and total destruction.
..and what could be happening to "sitting duck" Australia as China circles.

Once China owns the NSEW Pacific, Asia, Africa, etc, [and its best buddy Russia owns Europe], eventually China will own the USA.
No invasion of the USA will be needed, the way things are going China will own all the land, infrastructure, farms, companies in America, plus own its economy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 22, 2022, 07:26:30 PM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.

Sleepy Jo says no to planes. Might make Vlad angry to be carpet bombed to Moscow. Just rusted out junk from the 80's. What is he waiting for?

Given that he said yes to planes and Ukraine has received them, just shut the fuck up, will you, ignoramous?

LPL

Sloww goin with the military aid


Oh shut up

https://www.thebulwark.com/shame-on-those-who-defended-trumps-perfect-call/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 22, 2022, 07:57:46 PM
We should be carpet bombing St. Petersburg with fifth columnists like Kid.

It would be a wet messy human refuse drop that would send Putin just the right message.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 22, 2022, 08:40:06 PM
https://archive.ph/mNFtZ

Vladimir Kara-Murza sends a letter from his jail cell in Moscow.  He is more certain than ever that Russia will be a free country. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 22, 2022, 08:43:43 PM
http://www.hisutton.com/Russian-Navy-Moskva-Cruiser-Wreck.html

Russians deploy 110 year old recovery vessel to site of the Moskva.

I do wonder if they are sending this so there is less of a loss should it get sunk, too.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 22, 2022, 09:52:23 PM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.

Sleepy Jo says no to planes. Might make Vlad angry to be carpet bombed to Moscow. Just rusted out junk from the 80's. What is he waiting for?

Given that he said yes to planes and Ukraine has received them, just shut the fuck up, will you, ignoramous?

LOL

Sloww goin with the military aid
 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 22, 2022, 09:58:09 PM
A retired US general was on my tv last night basically slamming NATO leaders for not giving Ukraine all the weapons it's requested.
He said that doing so, giving Ukraine all it wanted was the perfect chance to defeat Russia's military to make sure it never attacked anyone else for decades.
He seemed to take a particular swipe at Germany.

Sleepy Jo says no to planes. Might make Vlad angry to be carpet bombed to Moscow. Just rusted out junk from the 80's. What is he waiting for?

Given that he said yes to planes and Ukraine has received them, just shut the fuck up, will you, ignoramous?

LPL

Sloww goin with the military aid


Oh shut up

https://www.thebulwark.com/shame-on-those-who-defended-trumps-perfect-call/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 22, 2022, 09:59:15 PM
The tactical acumen of Kid got him rejected from his neighborhood watch.

Kid thinks this would all have been over last week if Biden had sent in Jimmer Fredette.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 23, 2022, 01:26:48 AM
You are slipping, Fac.  You used to be dangerous.  Now you are just a fool.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 23, 2022, 02:42:51 AM
Here is the factor that is leading to the whole Russian invasion force getting chewed up to the point where Russia comes out of this conflict holding significantly less ground and wielding less influence than they did on Valentines day

Russian forces will advance far enough to get out of range of the goons set behind them ready to shoot if they disobey orders and not much further. This is why Russia is doing the same shit in the Donbas region as it did up north, against a more heavily armed Ukrainian defense.

Putin is having a much harder time beating Ukraine than he did taking over the republican party and right wing media. Ukrainians are not cowardly children who mistake cruelty for strength the way republicans do.

Kid, you are a dog on your way to dying like a dog. You make a good case study for how one born on third base can be tagged out rounding second.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 23, 2022, 09:48:43 AM
You are slipping, Fac.  You used to be dangerous.  Now you are just a fool.

You are a Pro Putin anti democracy fool rising with the insurrectionist sedition Party.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 23, 2022, 01:08:11 PM
Unsettling loose words from a Russian commander (from Wapo)

RIGA, Latvia - A Russian commander said Friday that Moscow wants to take (full control) of eastern and southern Ukraine, in part so it could have a path to neighboring Moldova - raising fears that the nearly two-month war could spill outside of Ukrainian borders.

The comments from Rustam Minnekayev, deputy commander of Russias Central Military District, seemed to hint that the Kremlin  - which has been stymied in its bid to take over the Ukrainian capital - still wants to conquer wide swaths of its neighbors land, and potentially threaten the nations that lie beyond. They drew swift condemnation from Moldova, where residents have worried since the beginning of the war they could be next in the Kremlin crosshairs.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 23, 2022, 02:18:29 PM
Considering Russia already has troops in and control over much of eastern Moldova, yeah, I would be worried.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 23, 2022, 04:20:26 PM
Someone sick of Putin has wrong footed the Duma or the Duma collectively is sick of Putin.

They are projecting broader Russian aims extending beyond a cross border war into a full on expansionist blitz, raising the level of concern and thus the level of response from proximate nations and their global partners. This runs the operations already underway into better equipped and supplied opposition reducing its chances of success.

These Russian legislators, ambassadors, and spokesfolks are also aware of the sanctions taken so far and their effects. By affirming these political goals they are basically begging Germany and the EU to cut off Russian oil with the promise never to unblock the spigot.

That speaks of a desire on their part to suffer a civilizational crisis of deprivation to make Putin a war loser and bring down his regime.

That is the most negative implication for the Russian campaign of imperial expansion underway most acutely in Ukraine. I have no way of knowing how far this will tilt the scales in and among all else that is currently going on and I have no way of knowing how much this idea has been entertained and in what light by those prominent Russians now saying, sure, since we are here lets go for Moldova.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 23, 2022, 06:08:39 PM
Plea deals going up the GOP ladder at DOJ

EVERY last one of the Republicans in leadership is a liar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-revelations-will-blow-roof-house-rep-jamie-raskin-says-rcna25542



June is busting out all over!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 23, 2022, 06:28:03 PM
Plea deals going up the GOP ladder at DOJ

EVERY last one of the Republicans in leadership is a liar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-revelations-will-blow-roof-house-rep-jamie-raskin-says-rcna25542

I will believe it when I see it.

Right now, it has about as much substance as "the Kraken."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 23, 2022, 09:04:56 PM
Plea deals going up the GOP ladder at DOJ

EVERY last one of the Republicans in leadership is a liar.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/jan-6-revelations-will-blow-roof-house-rep-jamie-raskin-says-rcna25542

I will believe it when I see it.

Right now, it has about as much substance as "the Kraken."


Watch this space
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 23, 2022, 09:08:13 PM
Must not say anything critical about senile sleepy Joe? I can't wait for Kamala to take over.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 23, 2022, 09:22:39 PM
Must not say anything critical about senile sleepy Joe? I can't wait for Kamala to take over.

You are such an asshole.

You are allowed to make critical comments about anybody you fucking well want.

But lying about their records or what has happened is frowned upon.

And as previously noted, you will hate anybody from this party. You just pretend to be open minded.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 23, 2022, 09:38:58 PM
Must not say anything critical about senile sleepy Joe? I can't wait for Kamala to take over.

Six more years of continued Biden prosperity and the erasure of reaganomics, and you will live to see it.

Hang on, luee. Hang on.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 23, 2022, 10:34:33 PM
Must not say anything critical about senile sleepy Joe? I can't wait for Kamala to take over.

Yeah so you can question her intellect and say she laughs too much.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 23, 2022, 11:13:36 PM
Considering Russia already has troops in and control over much of eastern Moldova, yeah, I would be worried.

Russians selling wolf tickets

They do not have the assets to deploy effectively in the strategy they are yapping about.

Do not forget we are into month 3 of a 4 day special operation
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 24, 2022, 06:29:50 AM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?




Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 24, 2022, 09:55:22 AM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?

Two things:

Everyone already knows this. This is old news. Dr. Biden is protective of her husband, who would have thunk it?

Two:

Politics aint bean bag
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 24, 2022, 12:11:48 PM
Luee is worrying that the US might slide into the third world, as is clearly happening in Florida.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 24, 2022, 02:18:12 PM
Macron beats the crypto fascist!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 24, 2022, 03:23:07 PM
Macron beats the crypto fascist!

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/24/emmanuel-macron-wins-a-second-term-as-frances-president
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 24, 2022, 03:39:24 PM
The Alliance holds
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 24, 2022, 08:24:52 PM
Macron beats the crypto fascist!

https://www.economist.com/europe/2022/04/24/emmanuel-macron-wins-a-second-term-as-frances-president

Wait, which one was Frances?

Sorry.

Anyway, yes, good news for NATO and for the EU generally. 

Hoping Moldova won't get rolled ovah. (Cue: Chuck B)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 25, 2022, 01:17:20 AM
Things are getting hot on the Russian side of the border.

Of the 40,000 rejected Russian volunteers to the Ukrainian side, how many nipped back across the border? A few hundred or a few thousand? How have they kept busy these few months?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 25, 2022, 09:14:20 AM
Must not say anything critical about senile sleepy Joe? I can't wait for Kamala to take over.

Yeah so you can question her intellect and say she laughs too much.

I will not call her too old or negatively criticize every ridiculous decision and walk back speech. I won't have to say help the Ukies more or for godsakes close the borders your creating a big mess.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 25, 2022, 09:21:44 AM
Must not say anything critical about senile sleepy Joe? I can't wait for Kamala to take over.

Yeah so you can question her intellect and say she laughs too much.

I will not call her too old or negatively criticize every ridiculous decision and walk back speech. I won't have to say help the Ukies more or for godsakes close the borders your creating a big mess.

So fulla shit the whites of your eyes are brown

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 25, 2022, 10:22:23 AM
The explosion at the oil storage sounds like more false flag.  Eroding support at home means blowing shit up around Bryansk to maintain the narrative of Ukies as aggressor Nazis.  Bryansk is near the village Russia claims was struck ten days ago. 

Also, since Russia requires "existential threat" to use nukes, it could be setting that up for later with bogus border crossings. 


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 25, 2022, 10:47:59 AM
Must not say anything critical about senile sleepy Joe? I can't wait for Kamala to take over.

Yeah so you can question her intellect and say she laughs too much.

I will not call her too old or negatively criticize every ridiculous decision and walk back speech. I won't have to say help the Ukies more or for godsakes close the borders your creating a big mess.

So fulla shit the whites of your eyes are brown
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 25, 2022, 10:49:16 AM
Duh, shit eyes piss
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2022, 12:50:01 PM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?

Dr Jill still hates Kamala

She will be replaced on the next ticket if Joe runs.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 25, 2022, 12:56:23 PM
The explosion at the oil storage sounds like more false flag.  Eroding support at home means blowing shit up around Bryansk to maintain the narrative of Ukies as aggressor Nazis.  Bryansk is near the village Russia claims was struck ten days ago. 

Also, since Russia requires "existential threat" to use nukes, it could be setting that up for later with bogus border crossings.

For his false flags, Putin tends to target schools and theaters, targets he holds of no value rather than the fuel infrastructure that is his life blood.

They still have not put it out.

Physically and metaphorically it really burns.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 25, 2022, 12:58:22 PM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?

Dr Jill still hates Kamala

She will be replaced on the next ticket if Joe runs.

Wrong thread, needle dick
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 25, 2022, 02:17:20 PM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?

Dr Jill still hates Kamala

She will be replaced on the next ticket if Joe runs.

LOLOLOLOL
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 25, 2022, 02:20:31 PM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?

Dr Jill still hates Kamala

She will be replaced on the next ticket if Joe runs.

And Pence will be replaced if Trump runs and wins the nomination.

So?

And yes, this belongs in the Theater forum, not here.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 25, 2022, 05:47:13 PM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?

Dr Jill still hates Kamala

She will be replaced on the next ticket if Joe runs.

Your mother hated you, Kid.

I cannot see Dr. Biden torturing and scarring anyone like that, much less Vice President Harris.

I would not worry so much about that relationship, Kid. As for the other, try to forgive her and also forgive yourself. Your life is short. Try not to spend all the rest of it wallowing in regrets.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2022, 07:43:41 PM
JOE BIDEN Published April 23, 2022 4:13pm EDT
Jill Biden's anger at Harris detailed in new book: 'Do we have to choose the one who attacked Joe?'

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jill-biden-vice-president-kamala-harris-stacey-abrams-jonathan-martin-alex-burns-book

Just stay home a better idea than open borders?

Dr Jill still hates Kamala

She will be replaced on the next ticket if Joe runs.

LOLOLOLOL

LBs Kamala chuckle
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 25, 2022, 09:20:11 PM
$10K a day...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 25, 2022, 09:41:08 PM
For the refugees on their way to Turkey to come to Mexico...

I recommend the Ivanhoe Hotel on Via Urbana in Rome for the people who want a safe spot in Rome.

http://www.hotelivanhoe.it/

From the Leonardo Da Vinci airport you take the train to the Termini Station and then you can walk to the Ivanhoe Hotel from the Termini Station.

Also, there is an airport in Battle Mountain, Nevada, which is large enough for passenger jets... People can fly from Rome to Battle Mountain, Nevada.

https://www.airnav.com/airport/KBAM

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 25, 2022, 09:49:17 PM
Here are the cheapest flights from Rome, Italy, to Nevada, USA...

https://www.kayak.com/flight-routes/Rome-ROM/Nevada-USNV

And planes can be hired to fly from Rome to Battle Mountain.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 25, 2022, 11:11:12 PM
My guess is sleepy Joe is the last septuagenarian for a while. He was bright and feisty as a young one. Now he just goes on fumes and in spurts. Deserves the office for all those years railroading in and listening to his constituents. Best choice at the time. A calming influence after the fireworks.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 26, 2022, 12:46:09 AM
The vast childishness of your priorities and preferences is a continuing source of wonderment for me.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 26, 2022, 02:14:06 PM
Putin/Kremlin talking points coming from a Russian asset in the US Republican Party...

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1518979804011372546?s=21
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 26, 2022, 03:04:03 PM
Gosh, Rand, I am going to miss Alaska!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 26, 2022, 03:44:29 PM
Gosh, Rand, I am going to miss Alaska!

That loss will Pal-in comparison to no longer being able to Cruz through Texas.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 26, 2022, 04:49:11 PM
My guess is sleepy Joe is the last septuagenarian for a while. He was bright and feisty as a young one. Now he just goes on fumes and in spurts. Deserves the office for all those years railroading in and listening to his constituents. Best choice at the time. A calming influence after the fireworks.

Your people would abandon you to the desert, forest, ice floe whatever. Just to get rid of your sour ass.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 26, 2022, 05:44:06 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/26/2094225/-A-terrifying-look-into-Putin-s-possible-motivation-leading-to-the-invasion-of-Ukraine (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/4/26/2094225/-A-terrifying-look-into-Putin-s-possible-motivation-leading-to-the-invasion-of-Ukraine)

Sounds just like some folks around here. Keep your eye on em.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 26, 2022, 09:32:07 PM
When I was at the airport in Nice, France, I met a French gentleman who wanted to retire to the United States, but he was not sure where he wanted to live when he retired. After about an hour of discussion he decided that he wanted to retire in the wine country of California.

The wine country of California is a great area, and it would be a great location for the refugees from Ukraine. The refugees can join the United Farm Workers and they will be very safe.

https://www.indeed.com/q-Vineyard-l-Napa,-CA-jobs.html

UFW

https://ufw.org/

The wine country is a great spot for the refugees who want a nice peaceful place to live. And a lot of people love to get out and work in the vineyards.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 26, 2022, 10:19:20 PM
People can charter aircraft to fly into the airport in Napa, California, from the refugee camp in Tijuana, Mexico, and from other locations...

https://www.atlanticaviation.com/location/APC

We also have Greyhound buses which run from Mexico into the United States to all locations, including to Napa, California, and to Battle Mountain, Nevada, etc, even to Kentucky, and Alaska.

https://www.greyhound.com/en

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 26, 2022, 11:08:05 PM
The housing is expensive in the wine country, especially if you are trying to live on wages earned from working with the Farm Workers Union in the vineyards.

The secret is to share housing, you can have multiple people in an apartment.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/napa-ca/apa

The refugees can work together as a team and they can share housing.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 26, 2022, 11:21:11 PM
My guess is sleepy Joe is the last septuagenarian for a while. He was bright and feisty as a young one. Now he just goes on fumes and in spurts. Deserves the office for all those years railroading in and listening to his constituents. Best choice at the time. A calming influence after the fireworks.

Your people would abandon you to the desert, forest, ice floe whatever. Just to get rid of your sour ass.

Florida.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 27, 2022, 12:12:47 AM
I love Florida, but it is an expensive state and jobs are hard to get there.

Luee is lucky to live in Florida.

I lived on the beach in Cape Canaveral as a teen and it was awesome. I tried to go back to Florida as an adult, but the jobs were hard to get. I tried to get a job at Walt Disney World and at places all over Orlando and in Cocoa Beach, but I ran out of money before I could find a job.

Florida is beautiful with beautiful women and beautiful beaches.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 27, 2022, 12:28:56 AM
The season is starting to warm up inside of Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 27, 2022, 01:36:12 AM
Putin has complained that NATO is waging a proxy war in Ukraine.

Poor baby. He's certainly right, though I would say that NATO's doing it with at least one fist timed behind its back.

But Lavrov's words notwithstanding, I don't think even Putin thinks there has been justification for using nukes.

Doesn't mean he won't, but if he is going to insist on telling people that he is winning, then his using nukes is problematic for more than just those on the receiving end of it.

I hope he won't, but I have no faith in him.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 27, 2022, 06:48:39 AM
Ukraine: West should provide warplanes, says Liz Truss

British secretary has the right idea, just bypass sleepy Joe.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61239075
---------------------------------------------
Had a fun couple of years in Tampa now back in no. NJ for a while. Oh it is a cold April here.

VA is back to it's old tricks. Bonuses for Vets who die waiting for a health aide.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 27, 2022, 02:18:41 PM
Trump killed a million Americans. A disproportionate number of deaths fell in the medical professions and among those who take care of the old. Of course this has tumble down effects on care at the VA along with the entire fucking Heath care system.

Is Kiid not in Jersey as well?

You guys could find each other and talk each other to death or at least into comas.

I hear he lives under a bridge in Camden somewhere.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 27, 2022, 04:23:44 PM
http://tomdispatch.com/how-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine/ (http://tomdispatch.com/how-to-end-the-war-in-ukraine/)

Some very good ideas, since we are ratcheting things up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 27, 2022, 05:00:21 PM
Viet nam, the wars of 9-11, the war against Isis, this author really likes to throw the guilt around. Were the same as Putin! Sounds like a Commie to me. Thing that is going to work is an all out attack on the bloodsucking Russian maniac. Must be enough destructive magic in the Nato bag of tricks.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 27, 2022, 05:10:27 PM
Thing that is going to work is an all out attack on the bloodsucking Russian maniac.

Luee pleads for a nuclear holocaust.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 27, 2022, 05:21:48 PM
Viet nam, the wars of 9-11, the war against Isis, this author really likes to throw the guilt around. Were the same as Putin! Sounds like a Commie to me. Thing that is going to work is an all out attack on the bloodsucking Russian maniac. Must be enough destructive magic in the Nato bag of tricks.

Put down the jug, gramps...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 27, 2022, 09:27:06 PM
Sleepy Joe is gramps.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 28, 2022, 04:46:28 PM
Putin is very much asking for it, but Zelensky or elements within Russia should pull the trigger.

Moscow itself or or any other Russian city would be collateral damage much less than what Russia has inflicted since February.

Putin seems to be rapidly ramping up both the threat and execution of his escalation. Napalm, cluster, and phosphorus munitions are being fired by Russians in the Donbas. The threats grow more shrill and ominous.

This would necessitate following up with hitting anything military that moves within Russia till what is left all holds still. The gamble is that what remains in and emerges from the rubble will be less bold and less crazy than the crazy Putin has reached and is headed toward.

If the rat is really feeling this cornered, it might be time to think about fragging it, or at least updating that set of contingency plans.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 28, 2022, 08:00:42 PM
So, what are you saying?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 28, 2022, 11:34:17 PM
Putin is very much asking for it, but Zelensky or elements within Russia should pull the trigger.

Moscow itself or or any other Russian city would be collateral damage much less than what Russia has inflicted since February.

Putin seems to be rapidly ramping up both the threat and execution of his escalation. Napalm, cluster, and phosphorus munitions are being fired by Russians in the Donbas. The threats grow more shrill and ominous.

This would necessitate following up with hitting anything military that moves within Russia till what is left all holds still. The gamble is that what remains in and emerges from the rubble will be less bold and less crazy than the crazy Putin has reached and is headed toward.

If the rat is really feeling this cornered, it might be time to think about fragging it, or at least updating that set of contingency plans.

"fragging it" vs. nuking it? Or do you mean nuking?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 29, 2022, 12:20:56 AM
A big bunch of very big fairly conventional warheads would do it. No need to resort to nukes.

I am not saying do it at this point. I am saying have it ready to go.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 29, 2022, 03:15:30 AM
A big bunch of very big fairly conventional warheads would do it. No need to resort to nukes.

I am not saying do it at this point. I am saying have it ready to go.

I doubt it has ever been anything but ready to go since at least 1950.

And if we ever launched them before a nuclear attack from Russia, Putin would launch.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 29, 2022, 04:08:20 AM
Only launch an attack you are fairly sure Putin will not survive. If that means flattening several neighborhoods down to the subbasements, so be it. Better in attacking an authoritarian state to hit all the authority centers at once, especially the military ones. It gives a good chance of delaying a counter attack or causing too much chaos for one to be launched.

If large numbers of ballistic missile batteries in Russia come on line and point west, this might be an action that warrants that type of response.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on April 29, 2022, 02:08:14 PM
Quote
"The war will not end with meetings. The war will end when the Russian Federation decides to end it and when there is a serious political agreement. We can have all meetings but that is not what will end the war."

UN Sec'y General Guterres
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on April 29, 2022, 04:49:12 PM
Only launch an attack you are fairly sure Putin will not survive. If that means flattening several neighborhoods down to the subbasements, so be it....

Um, neighborhoods with civilians living there??  I'm thinking of Nietzsche's quote about the abyss right now.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 29, 2022, 06:24:13 PM
A neighborhood or more goes each day in Ukraine equivalent to the Kremlin and its surrounds along with every far flinging installation and command post.

If Putin decides the way to keep his dream alive and his parade afloat is to thump into Poland and go for vital infrastructure with the discrimination and precision it has so far showed in Ukraine, and it is detected in the wind up, does it not make sense to stop the attack and any follow up orders at least in the short term by unleashing equivalent arbitrary carnage to take the best available shot to take the head off the pyramid?

From Russia so far this conflict has included

Mass bombardments

Mass graves

Mass deportations

Mass involuntary conscription

Rape

Murder

Pillage

Phosphorus munitions

Cluster munitions

Thermobaric munitions

and the list could go on.

Based on the progress so far what lines do you see being respected by the Russian approach?

As pressure and losses mount do you see them likely to stay respected in the future, especially if necessary preparation for such a move is detected?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 30, 2022, 12:53:06 PM
Putin is following the early 20th century roadmap of megalomaniacs only way to stop him is to kill or less likely capture him. Fotunately the Russian military is not too powerful or efficient. But there is the Nuke card. Cannot be that difficult to target him with drones and or missiles? A lot less costly than what is happening now.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 01, 2022, 01:39:31 AM
60 Minutes

April 28 at 12:36 PM 

Nearly half of Ukrainians say they are worried about finding their next meal, according to the World Food Programme. So far, the WFP has mobilized food supplies to 2.5M people. Sunday, Scott Pelley enters Ukraine and follows the WFPs efforts to curb the hunger crisis.

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Putin must be stopped.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 01, 2022, 08:51:48 AM
A neighborhood or more goes each day in Ukraine equivalent to the Kremlin and its surrounds along with every far flinging installation and command post....

I have noticed.  I just meant civilians in Moscow are not accountable for Putin's autocratic horror of a government, and war.  If we back Moscow bombings with collateral deaths to take out Putin, we have become the enemy and will validate their atrocities.  And violate international law on extrajudicial killings, thus promoting open season on state leaders.  (just back from a trip, so been slow to reply here)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 01, 2022, 09:53:47 AM
https://twitter.com/StuartKLau/status/1520371062055313408?s=20&t=Fz7J1Hj5_VMxmU8ZyuBshw

Even China's state news organ, Xinhua, seems to allow some criticism of Russia, in interview with Ukraine official.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2022, 04:28:04 PM
A neighborhood or more goes each day in Ukraine equivalent to the Kremlin and its surrounds along with every far flinging installation and command post....

I have noticed.  I just meant civilians in Moscow are not accountable for Putin's autocratic horror of a government, and war.  If we back Moscow bombings with collateral deaths to take out Putin, we have become the enemy and will validate their atrocities.  And violate international law on extrajudicial killings, thus promoting open season on state leaders.  (just back from a trip, so been slow to reply here)

What do you think US citizens would do if our president (Biden or any past or future) just decided to take our military and run over Mexico or Canada?

Nothing?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 01, 2022, 04:39:55 PM
A neighborhood or more goes each day in Ukraine equivalent to the Kremlin and its surrounds along with every far flinging installation and command post....

I have noticed.  I just meant civilians in Moscow are not accountable for Putin's autocratic horror of a government, and war.  If we back Moscow bombings with collateral deaths to take out Putin, we have become the enemy and will validate their atrocities.  And violate international law on extrajudicial killings, thus promoting open season on state leaders.  (just back from a trip, so been slow to reply here)

What do you think US citizens would do if our president (Biden or any past or future) just decided to take our military and run over Mexico or Canada?

Nothing?

When the USA went to war against Mexico, Thoreau asked for CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

Link about Thoreau and Civil Disobedience...

https://tinyurl.com/Thoreau-Civil0Disobedience

But of course the Americans had the rally cry of "Remember the Alamo" and the USA had no problem finding soldiers who were ready to fight.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 01, 2022, 04:48:38 PM
Looking at the more recent example of Iraq, not enough not soon enough.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2022, 05:07:32 PM
A neighborhood or more goes each day in Ukraine equivalent to the Kremlin and its surrounds along with every far flinging installation and command post....

I have noticed.  I just meant civilians in Moscow are not accountable for Putin's autocratic horror of a government, and war.  If we back Moscow bombings with collateral deaths to take out Putin, we have become the enemy and will validate their atrocities.  And violate international law on extrajudicial killings, thus promoting open season on state leaders.  (just back from a trip, so been slow to reply here)

What do you think US citizens would do if our president (Biden or any past or future) just decided to take our military and run over Mexico or Canada?

Nothing?

When the USA went to war against Mexico, Thoreau asked for CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE.

Link about Thoreau and Civil Disobedience...

https://tinyurl.com/Thoreau-Civil0Disobedience

But of course the Americans had the rally cry of "Remember the Alamo" and the USA had no problem finding soldiers who were ready to fight.

Salute,

Tony V.

"Let your life be a counter friction to stop the machine."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 01, 2022, 05:10:49 PM
Okay this is just brain storming...

What if Ukraine offered to buy the contested land from Russia? They can pay Russia for the land in exchange for peace.

When we made our border with Canada, we set our terms, and we made them an offer they could not refuse, it was either they accept our border or it was war. Fortunately they chose peace, and we have our border with Canada. ( We had the War of 1812 in which we fought against Canada and England, but that is another story. )

With our border with Mexico, our border was made after war. Maybe Mexico should have just sold the land to the USA peacefully. What if Ukraine was willing to sell Crimea to Russia in exchange for peace?

We bought Alaska from Russia peacefully.

We need to explore ways that we can help peace to happen. We can look at the outcome of wars, and thus maybe we can see if we can have the ends happen peacefully without the means being war and death and destruction. Maybe we can achieve the ends and avoid the death and destruction.

There are a lot of things to think about.

And as the Russians get hungry from the sanctions, maybe we can buy peace with money. ( Although I do not approve of rewarding Putin for his actions, he is a war criminal and deserves to be held accountable. ) Maybe we can find people in Russia who we support and maybe we can make peace happen with money. Money has power when the people are poor and hungry.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 01, 2022, 05:22:53 PM
A neighborhood or more goes each day in Ukraine equivalent to the Kremlin and its surrounds along with every far flinging installation and command post....

I have noticed.  I just meant civilians in Moscow are not accountable for Putin's autocratic horror of a government, and war.  If we back Moscow bombings with collateral deaths to take out Putin, we have become the enemy and will validate their atrocities.  And violate international law on extrajudicial killings, thus promoting open season on state leaders.  (just back from a trip, so been slow to reply here)

What do you think US citizens would do if our president (Biden or any past or future) just decided to take our military and run over Mexico or Canada?

Nothing?

Probably do more than Russians are able to do, given that we're a democracy with constitutional checks on executive power whereas Russia is an autocratic totalitarian state.  (Even if it weren't, I don't think being persuaded by propaganda to support Putin means you as a civilian deserve to be killed in a bombing)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 01, 2022, 06:05:47 PM
Tony, if Ukraine makes the Russian military equivalent to the Canadian military of 1812 then you might see Russia come to the table.

Going as far as they can in that direction is in fact the task at hand.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 02, 2022, 02:31:22 PM
I have been working on Facebook trying to help to make peace and help the refugees, and I received a response that I will share with you...

-------

Torbjorn Vardaga
12 hours

Tony Verley I appreciate your effort to think outside the box!

However, there are a few factors here that I think complicates things more than in the examples you are referring to.

1. Russia already controls Crimea since 2014 and Ukraine has not attempted to take it back. Offering to sell it to Russia now would be like Russia offering to sell Alaska to the United States today.

2. Russia has told its own people that they are in Ukraine to protect the big Russian-speaking minory in Donbass and defeat the nazi government. Explaining to the Russian people that they ended up selling Donbass and its supposedly oppressed Russian minority to the nazis might be hard sell.

3. The Ukrainian capital of Kiev is much older than Moscow and the origin of the Russian empire can be traced to the Ukrainian area. For Putin, Kiev is like Jerusalem for Christians, and this is his crusade to take back what he believe rightfully belongs to Russia. Selling his Jerusalem to nazis is probably not an option for him.

---------------

There is a lot of hard work to do. We need to make the peace, and there are a lot of hard issues to deal with, and misinformation.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 03, 2022, 12:12:27 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/2/2095412/-Ukraine-update-How-could-Russia-make-use-of-a-general-mobilization (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/2/2095412/-Ukraine-update-How-could-Russia-make-use-of-a-general-mobilization)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 03, 2022, 01:30:00 PM
Putin is following the early 20th century roadmap of megalomaniacs only way to stop him is to kill or less likely capture him. Fotunately the Russian military is not too powerful or efficient. But there is the Nuke card. Cannot be that difficult to target him with drones and or missiles? A lot less costly than what is happening now.


Dude...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 03, 2022, 01:34:07 PM
What happens then,Larry?  If Putin is taken out?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 03, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
The chaos Russia causes refocuses itself inside the Russian borders until a new maniac emerges atop the ensuing pile of corpses.

The Russian war effort collapses along with their active support for tories, republicans, and the other fascist scum parties they support around the world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 03, 2022, 02:16:48 PM
What happens then,Larry?  If Putin is taken out?

He is not bin Laden. Like or not he is the leader of a sovereign nation not in a declared war with the USA.

HOWEVER... He started the war in Ukraine and if we supply the weapons Ukraine uses to take out Putin than all is cool.

If Ukraine takes out the Kremlin and The Politburo who can say Boo?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 03, 2022, 06:28:10 PM
The chaos Russia causes refocuses itself inside the Russian borders until a new maniac emerges atop the ensuing pile of corpses.

The Russian war effort collapses along with their active support for tories, republicans, and the other fascist scum parties they support around the world.

Unless a strongman steps forward more swiftly and takes unfortunate actions...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 03, 2022, 11:53:49 PM
Like deploying rape squads, filtration camps, indiscriminate bombing of packed civilian centers?

Unfortunate is happening and spreading daily under the current regime.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 04, 2022, 02:53:35 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/3/2095646/-Ukraine-Invasion-Day-70 (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/3/2095646/-Ukraine-Invasion-Day-70)

Pro Putin Russians are just as racist as republicans here are.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 05, 2022, 09:29:38 AM
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/04/1096545742/ukraine-mariupol-azovstal-evacuees-russia-siege
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on May 05, 2022, 12:45:21 PM
https://archive.ph/Gs7sV

A clear and concise analysis of the issues swirling around Russian natural gas and ending EU reliance.  Also, the tension between environmental groups that want to go all-out on switching to clean energy, and those who want to boost NG production in the U.S. and other places with gas fields.  Where, in all this, is that spirit of sacrifice and belt-tightening that people had in WW2?  Close doors and shut vents to rooms you aren't using, wear sweaters and turn the thermostat down a couple degrees, be conserving of electricity use in areas where NG is the main fuel for power plants, etc.  (one side benefit of dressing more warmly, with thermals and sweaters and so on, is that when you do go outside it feels less cold and walking/biking instantly seem far more plausible) 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 05, 2022, 01:37:40 PM
https://archive.ph/Gs7sV

A clear and concise analysis of the issues swirling around Russian natural gas and ending EU reliance.  Also, the tension between environmental groups that want to go all-out on switching to clean energy, and those who want to boost NG production in the U.S. and other places with gas fields.  Where, in all this, is that spirit of sacrifice and belt-tightening that people had in WW2?  Close doors and shut vents to rooms you aren't using, wear sweaters and turn the thermostat down a couple degrees, be conserving of electricity use in areas where NG is the main fuel for power plants, etc.  (one side benefit of dressing more warmly, with thermals and sweaters and so on, is that when you do go outside it feels less cold and walking/biking instantly seem far more plausible)

Lower your fuel bills and strangle some petroterrorists at the same time. Win win.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 05, 2022, 02:05:25 PM
http://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/05/new-math-on-putin-00029966 (http://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/05/05/new-math-on-putin-00029966)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 06, 2022, 01:40:44 AM
https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/with-his-handmade-bowl-this-12-year-old-raised-325000-for-ukrainian-kids

This is great.

And should never be necessary.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 06, 2022, 11:53:54 AM
George W. Bush

19 hours

I was honored to spend a few minutes talking with President Zelenskyy, the Winston Churchill of our time, this morning. I thanked the President for his leadership, his example, and his commitment to liberty, and I saluted the courage of the Ukrainian people. President Zelenskyy assured me that they will not waver in their fight against the barbarism and thuggery of Putin. Americans are inspired by their fortitude and resilience. We will continue to stand with Ukrainians as they stand up for their freedom.

---------------

It is good that George W. Bush is involved, he can still do a lot behind the scenes, he has a lot of connections still, along with Berlusconi, and Juan Carlos, and others.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 06, 2022, 08:45:24 PM
Panzerhaublitzen or something.
Looks like Germany is sending tanks to Ukraine.
Better super late than never.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 06, 2022, 11:39:22 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ship-admiral-makarov-ukraine-war-b2073007.html

One of the remaining three major Russian warships in the Black Sea is reported to have received a Ukrainian missile.

Russia denies it and denies the fire exists.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 07, 2022, 02:03:29 AM
It will be hard to find the evidence without doing some dredging.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 07, 2022, 06:02:56 PM
http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/05/06/bragging-about-us-intelligence-assistance-increases-the-value-and-solidarity-of-nato-membership/ (http://www.emptywheel.net/2022/05/06/bragging-about-us-intelligence-assistance-increases-the-value-and-solidarity-of-nato-membership/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 07, 2022, 06:09:24 PM
Putin dies and goes to hell, but after a while, he is given a day off for good behavior.

So he goes to Moscow, enters a bar, orders a drink, and asks the bartender:

-Is Crimea ours?

-Yes, it is.

-And the Donbas?

-Also ours.

-And Kyiv?

-We got that too.

Satisfied, Putin drinks, and asks:

-Thanks, how much do I owe you?

-5 euros.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 09, 2022, 01:59:53 PM
Beautiful, Barton.

It looks like Putin would rather see a special military operation fail than lose a war. No declaration as NATO long range artillery moves its way to the front.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 10, 2022, 01:27:31 AM
http://mobile.twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1523664324950036480 (http://mobile.twitter.com/ItsBorys/status/1523664324950036480)

(http://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/267/swedish_chef.jpg)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 05:09:09 PM
Reports have Belarus' forces gathering on their border with Ukraine.

Not good.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 10, 2022, 06:06:42 PM
Reports have Belarus' forces gathering on their border with Ukraine.

Not good.

Ukraine needs to put forces right directly in front of them, do not even let the Belarus forces in.

I hate to sit back and watch Ukraine get attacked without Putin feeling the least bit threatened. Missiles need to start hitting Moscow.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 10, 2022, 06:23:17 PM
The people of Ukraine have nothing to lose by taking the fight to Moscow, instead of just getting attacked they need to go on the offense. If you are going to die, then you might as well make it count, and take the offense to Moscow. Putin does not deserve to feel safe and secure, he needs to be afraid and he needs to see dead bodies on his doorstep.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 06:31:51 PM
The people of Ukraine have nothing to lose by taking the fight to Moscow

It remains to be seen, but I am skeptical.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 10, 2022, 06:58:20 PM
The people of Ukraine have nothing to lose by taking the fight to Moscow, instead of just getting attacked they need to go on the offense. If you are going to die, then you might as well make it count, and take the offense to Moscow. Putin does not deserve to feel safe and secure, he needs to be afraid and he needs to see dead bodies on his doorstep.

Salute,

Tony V.

Yes, the time has come.
"The Dirty Dozen" could be resurrected...but turned into the "Dirty 1000"...blowing up the transport systems...blowing up the ports...blowing up the communications systems.

On my tv just now...people in Finland rushing to military supplies stores to get survival equipment etc , getting ready for the Russian invasion...Finland is tipped to join NATO.
'Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition'.

China and Russia have been banned from the Australian Military Conference for the first time.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 08:04:21 PM
Lets go!!!!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on May 10, 2022, 08:43:20 PM
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right. 

Defense is a legitimate goal of war.  Spilling the blood of innocent people is not. 

Furthermore, any attack on Russian territory could result in them lobbing nukes, perhaps tactical nukes, perhaps city killers.  Maybe y'all are just venting, but try for a second to focus on what a ruthless dictator with a huge nuclear arsenal means. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 08:48:34 PM
Lets go!!!!

You should just go to hell.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 08:50:22 PM
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right.


Plenty of Russians who love what Putin is doing - dont kid yourself.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 10, 2022, 08:52:47 PM
Lets go!!!!

You should just go to hell.

He did, at about the same time his dick fell off. He is just trying to drag you there with him.

Ignore the mentally crippled old bag. He has nothing to say and just repeats his dinner.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 08:53:20 PM
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right.


Plenty of Russians who love what Putin is doing - dont kid yourself.

Oh, so that somehow undoes what he said?

You think we should indiscriminately kill masses of civilians because "plenty" of them approve of their leader's position?

Okay, folks, remember that he feels that way in the case of future attacks on Republicans and so-called conservatives.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 08:56:50 PM
Get it through your head, Oilcan - Putin simply cannot - and will not - use his nuclear arsenal.  It is there for show - on everyone's part.  How it should be - and how it IS.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 10, 2022, 08:57:39 PM
Taking the fight to Moscow, if that means heavy bombing indiscriminately, will indicate Ukraine has sunk to the level of Russia, and has no regard for civilians lives.  Moscow is full of decent people who are as victimized by Putin's autocracy as the Ukrainian people are.  Two wrongs will not make a right. 

Defense is a legitimate goal of war.  Spilling the blood of innocent people is not. 

Furthermore, any attack on Russian territory could result in them lobbing nukes, perhaps tactical nukes, perhaps city killers.  Maybe y'all are just venting, but try for a second to focus on what a ruthless dictator with a huge nuclear arsenal means.

It has been a warm spring in Russia, even around Moscow.

Coincidentally a lot of those fires, booms, etc. have been in strategically important facilities for the big Russian op in Ukraine.

It is more important that it keeps up and picks up pace whether it is from formally Ukrainian operators or from folks in Russia, possibly Russian folks, who simply do not like the war.

I think it is more likely a combo of the two.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 09:12:27 PM
Get it through your head, Oilcan - Putin simply cannot - and will not - use his nuclear arsenal.  It is there for show - on everyone's part.  How it should be - and how it IS.

And what is it that makes you think he "simply cannot - and will not - use his nuclear arsenal, Kid?

What stops him?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 09:57:27 PM
Just isnt done.

And I dont think Ol Vlad wants to be known that way.  He thinks he is right.  Dropping nukes -he knows he would be wrong.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 10:01:15 PM
Just isnt done.

And I dont think Ol Vlad wants to be known that way.  He thinks he is right.  Dropping nukes -he knows he would be wrong.

"Just isn't done" is not something President Putin seems to care about much. Poisoning of opponents isn't "done" either, except by Putin's government.

I am sick of your defending Vladimir Putin and then pretending that you are not.

He thinks he is right would be his argument for nukes, too, should he go that way, complete with "you made me do it!" exhortations.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2022, 10:23:58 PM
Nahhhh

Nukes could never be right.

To this day Truman is no great international figure.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 11:07:17 PM
Nahhhh

Nukes could never be right.

To this day Truman is no great international figure.

Putin doesn't give a fuck about Truman.

Either he is going to get what he wants for Russia, geographically and geopolitically, or he has nothing to lose, as his legacy will not exist (in his opinion).
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 10, 2022, 11:45:22 PM
Nahhhh

Nukes could never be right.

To this day Truman is no great international figure.

He is a hero in my book.

When the bombs dropped my Dad was on a Liberty ship in Buckner Bay that was crammed with creosote soaked timbers for dock construction in Japan.

The Invasion of Japan would have been a tsunami of blood and the longer Japan held out the sooner the Russians would have come at them looking for forty years payback.

Truman probably saved a million lives...

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 11, 2022, 03:42:39 AM
https://www.axios.com/2022/05/10/us-intelligence-russia-ukraine-war-putin-goals

Putin wants more than just eastern Ukraine.

What a surprise. He lied. Huh. Who could have guessed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2022, 09:13:00 AM
Nahhhh

Nukes could never be right.

To this day Truman is no great international figure.

He is a hero in my book.

When the bombs dropped my Dad was on a Liberty ship in Buckner Bay that was crammed with creosote soaked timbers for dock construction in Japan.

The Invasion of Japan would have been a tsunami of blood and the longer Japan held out the sooner the Russians would have come at them looking for forty years payback.

Truman probably saved a million lives...

Quite possibly

But he did play God - and some will never agree he had that right.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2022, 09:17:28 AM
Putin doesn't give a fuck about Truman.


Heh

I suppose not.

I think he cares about legacy.  And about acting - once again - in concert with what he feels is "right".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 11, 2022, 09:37:16 AM
Get it through your head, Oilcan - Putin simply cannot - and will not - use his nuclear arsenal.  It is there for show - on everyone's part.  How it should be - and how it IS.

One could make a Herman Kahn argument that the ICBMs are for show, but Vlads 2000 tactical nukes?  No, those are for battlefield use, and Russia has signaled many many times that they are available for limited exchanges if an enemy comes onto Russian soil.  If you want "show," you keep 100 around, as US does at NATO stations in Europe.  2000 is for fighting with. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 11, 2022, 11:26:04 AM
Nahhhh

Nukes could never be right.

To this day Truman is no great international figure.

He is a hero in my book.

When the bombs dropped my Dad was on a Liberty ship in Buckner Bay that was crammed with creosote soaked timbers for dock construction in Japan.

The Invasion of Japan would have been a tsunami of blood and the longer Japan held out the sooner the Russians would have come at them looking for forty years payback.

Truman probably saved a million lives...

Quite possibly

But he did play God - and some will never agree he had that right.

Well he did not want to throw nukes at weather events. That is playing God for sure.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 11, 2022, 12:30:30 PM
Nahhhh

Nukes could never be right.

To this day Truman is no great international figure.

He is a hero in my book.

When the bombs dropped my Dad was on a Liberty ship in Buckner Bay that was crammed with creosote soaked timbers for dock construction in Japan.

The Invasion of Japan would have been a tsunami of blood and the longer Japan held out the sooner the Russians would have come at them looking for forty years payback.

Truman probably saved a million lives...

Quite possibly

But he did play God - and some will never agree he had that right.

Every president plays God.

And to choose whether or not to drop the bombs was playing God, whichever decision he made.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2022, 12:37:13 PM
Every president plays God.


Not so much, Simp.

Be good now.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 11, 2022, 02:30:55 PM
Every president plays God.


Not so much, Simp.

Be good now.

Biden with Ukraine.
Trump with the climate, plus the children and the border.
Obama with ACA among other things.
GW Bush with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Every president plays God with millions of lives, even the ones in peace time.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 11, 2022, 05:56:44 PM
Right now the World Bank is worried about some people running out of food because they relied on Ukraine and Russia for food. So, we need for some areas to expand exports to areas where food is needed.

In the USA we have the potential to produce a lot more food, and we can put the homeless people to work growing food, and we can bring in our refugees from our Southern Border to help to grow food.

California produces a lot of food, including in Bakersfield, Merced, Napa, and in other areas. And we have ports in California. We can send food from California to the areas where food is needed.

We also have Mexico which produces a lot of food, and Mexico wants the trade and they want to do the exports, and we need to invest in the ports in Mexico, Mexico can help to feed the areas where food is needed.

And Colombia grows the best coffee, and they can grow other foods, and they want to do business with the world. Along with Argentina, and other nations in Latin America. There are many nations which really want to expand trade who would love to help to produce food for the people who need food.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2022, 06:02:51 PM
Every president plays God.


Not so much, Simp.

Be good now.

Biden with Ukraine.
Trump with the climate, plus the children and the border.
Obama with ACA among other things.
GW Bush with Iraq and Afghanistan.

Every president plays God with millions of lives, even the ones in peace time.

Truman and only Truman to date.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 11, 2022, 06:41:02 PM
Luv me  Truman. Found the solution to end hostilities against primitives who were willing to die to the last man. Two flashes, broken windows, mass quantities of smoldering body parts and it was over. Japan became an industrial force for peace.

---There are voices which assert that the bomb should never have been used at all. I cannot associate myself with such ideas. ... I am surprised that very worthy people
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 11, 2022, 07:51:21 PM
Most of the incinerated were civilians. 

Dropping Fat Man on a military installation on an island was an option, for those who believed Japanese lives had equal value to other human lives.  If that was not persuasive, a repetition with Little Boy would have done the job.

There's no way our shit doesn't stink on this decision.  And it wasn't just Truman, it was a decision that was reinforced throughout Pacific command.  And by civilian bombings elsewhere during the war, mostly firebombing and carpet bombing. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 12, 2022, 01:05:06 AM
Dresden was a blast.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2022, 07:31:54 AM
Most of the incinerated were civilians. 

Dropping Fat Man on a military installation on an island was an option, for those who believed Japanese lives had equal value to other human lives.  If that was not persuasive, a repetition with Little Boy would have done the job.

There's no way our shit doesn't stink on this decision.  And it wasn't just Truman, it was a decision that was reinforced throughout Pacific command.  And by civilian bombings elsewhere during the war, mostly firebombing and carpet bombing.

Yep
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 12, 2022, 09:54:31 AM
Russia is resorting to putting computer chips from dishwashers and refrigerators in tanks due to US sanctions, official says   

So many jokes, so little time...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 12, 2022, 10:03:40 AM
Nice PR


MS or CNN?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 12, 2022, 10:07:45 AM
Business Insider. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 12, 2022, 11:44:15 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/11/2097503/-River-crossing-massacre-tectonic-shift-under-way (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/11/2097503/-River-crossing-massacre-tectonic-shift-under-way)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 12, 2022, 12:11:25 PM
Most of the incinerated were civilians. 

Dropping Fat Man on a military installation on an island was an option, for those who believed Japanese lives had equal value to other human lives.  If that was not persuasive, a repetition with Little Boy would have done the job.

There's no way our shit doesn't stink on this decision.  And it wasn't just Truman, it was a decision that was reinforced throughout Pacific command.  And by civilian bombings elsewhere during the war, mostly firebombing and carpet bombing.

Projected casualties for a Japan campaign was 400-800k American dead and 5- 10 million dead Japanese.

Extending the war in Japan would have given Stalin the opportunity to go after Japan to get payback for 1905.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 12, 2022, 12:22:02 PM
WW2...Japan tortured POWs to death, drained some of their blood, horrific experiments, blew up Pearl Harbour, bombed northern Australia for 18 months, killed civilians, butchered half of Asia Pacific, drove nurses into the sea and shot them in the back.
Signed up with the Nazis/Hitler.
Thank God for nukes and those in America who were willing to use them, and fire-bomb Tokyo etc.
The Japanese rape hordes were coming for mommy dearest and her ilk.
There was much rejoicing in bambuworld when Japan was nuked and the war ended.

Russia is more evil...it's 2022...we were supposed to be living in a peaceful world under the direction of the UN.
Russia took advantage and is repeating the horrors of Nazis, Japan, Italy.
Russia must be stopped before it marches thru Europe, and with its best buddy China, the world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2022, 12:52:39 PM
The Filipinos still honor MacArthur.

I met a lady on the bus from the Philippines, during the war the Japanese invaded the Philippines, and they were bringing out the Filipinos one by one and they were shooting them in the head execution style, and just as her Mother was being brought out to be killed the Americans showed up and saved her Mother. She loves America.

I had a friend from the Philippines who her father was an American soldier and her Mother was a rich lady in the Philippines, he stayed after the war and had a family in the Philippines. My friend came to America and she did charity here her whole life to help America, she loved America. Her cousin was Gloria Arroyo who was President of the Philippines.

And when I worked at Universal Studios it was owned by the Japanese and I was treated like a slave, they paid me the lowest wages allowed. I would never work for the Japanese again. I did not feel respected nor appreciated when I worked at Universal. And like with Sony in Culver City, I would never work there, I hope that Bezos or someone buys the studio from the Japanese and makes it American owned. Or maybe Bezos' ex wife will buy the studio in Culver City.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 12, 2022, 12:56:31 PM
Most of the incinerated were civilians. 

Dropping Fat Man on a military installation on an island was an option, for those who believed Japanese lives had equal value to other human lives.  If that was not persuasive, a repetition with Little Boy would have done the job.

There's no way our shit doesn't stink on this decision.  And it wasn't just Truman, it was a decision that was reinforced throughout Pacific command.  And by civilian bombings elsewhere during the war, mostly firebombing and carpet bombing.

Projected casualties for a Japan campaign was 400-800k American dead and 5- 10 million dead Japanese.

Extending the war in Japan would have given Stalin the opportunity to go after Japan to get payback for 1905.

Still think Plan B was worth a shot.  A hole of total devastation 1.6 kilometers in diameter can focus the mind, no matter where you put it.  But our military wanted guinea pigs, because the Hiroshima drop was intended to be an experiment that would provide data.   Planes dropped sensor equipment as the bomb dropped, to measure its effects.  This is all well documented.  And the second target, Nagasaki, had no military presence or strategic value - it was entirely about mass murder.  And more data.  And asserting military dominance to keep Russia out of the area after the war.

By the time the bomb was ready for use, Japan was ready to surrender. As General Dwight Eisenhower said, Japan was at that very moment seeking some way to surrender with minimum loss of face. It was not necessary to hit them with that awful thing..
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 12, 2022, 01:01:31 PM
Listening to Russia chide Finland for possible violations of their treaties if they join NATO and threatening consequences would be hilarious were it not for how Russia behaves.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2022, 01:19:53 PM
The people from the Philippines treated me like royalty, the people from the Philippines have such love for the USA. Whereas the Japanese who owned Universal just wanted to squeeze every penny out of the company that they could and they paid everyone as little as possible. I wish that the people from the Philippines owned Universal instead of the Japanese, if they treated me good I would still be working there, I would never have quit, I would be making movies at Universal right now if I was treated right and was able.

Anyhow, Bezos bought the Culver studio and maybe he will buy the Sony studio as well.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 12, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
Tony, would you have any interest in posting that in Movies, where it might fit the thread topic a wee bit better?


Listening to Russia chide Finland for possible violations of their treaties if they join NATO and threatening consequences would be hilarious were it not for how Russia behaves.

Had same thought.  Their inane jabber about "damaged relations" would be comical, if we didn't know what Putin does when he sees any possible expansion of NATO.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2022, 02:07:19 PM
Tony, would you have any interest in posting that in Movies, where it might fit the thread topic a wee bit better?


Listening to Russia chide Finland for possible violations of their treaties if they join NATO and threatening consequences would be hilarious were it not for how Russia behaves.

Had same thought.  Their inane jabber about "damaged relations" would be comical, if we didn't know what Putin does when he sees any possible expansion of NATO.

The post was with the discussion about the Japanese. I worked for the Japanese and it was not a good experience. They are cold hearted business people who only care about money and who have no business owning our movie studios in the USA.

And if we are going to have people own our studios then it needs to be our allies who love us and who care about us, and for whom it is about more than just being about money. They build a wall around the movie studio and send the jobs to other places while they make horrible movies. They make horrible high budget films where they just fight for 2 hours, I do not enjoy just watching people fight for 2 hours. So, not only are people not being treated well, the movies which are being made are not any good. And the message that modern films are sending to society is not healthy.

If we are going to bring in foreign companies to own our movie studios, then we need to bring in our allies who love and respect us and for whom movies are about more than money and for whom our communities matter. They need to tear down the walls around the studios and send the youth to film school.

When I worked at Universal we had a special day at Christmas time for the people from the Philippines, and the whole park was full of people from the Philippines. The Filipinos have a powerful community here in California. And the Filipinos love Americans it is not just about the money like with some people. Maybe the people from the Philippines will open a studio here if Disney is not interested. And they can just hire all new people as they graduate from the local film and acting schools.

We need for our allies to own our studios, such as the Philippines, and France, if we are going to have foreign companies own our studios. The Japanese are hard core business people, and they build a wall around the studio, they run everything for profit, they send the jobs to other places, and they send the profits back to Japan, while the streets in Los Angeles are full of homeless people. And we need to have healthy communities instead of having our communities be gang war zones and we need for our companies to be a part of our communities and to provide dreams and hope for our youth. Our youth should not be little gangsters, they need to have hopes and dreams and higher aspirations. We have great schools, and we need for our youth to go from college to great jobs where they are respected and where they are paid well.

Sorry, last post about movies on the Ukraine thread.

Salute,

Tony V.









Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 12, 2022, 03:27:05 PM
Tony, would you have any interest in posting that in Movies, where it might fit the thread topic a wee bit better?


Listening to Russia chide Finland for possible violations of their treaties if they join NATO and threatening consequences would be hilarious were it not for how Russia behaves.

Had same thought.  Their inane jabber about "damaged relations" would be comical, if we didn't know what Putin does when he sees any possible expansion of NATO.

The post was with the discussion about the Japanese. I worked for the Japanese and it was not a good experience. They are cold hearted business people who only care about money and who have no business owning our movie studios in the USA.

And if we are going to have people own our studios then it needs to be our allies who love us and who care about us, and for whom it is about more than just being about money. They build a wall around the movie studio and send the jobs to other places while they make horrible movies. They make horrible high budget films where they just fight for 2 hours, I do not enjoy just watching people fight for 2 hours. So, not only are people not being treated well, the movies which are being made are not any good. And the message that modern films are sending to society is not healthy.

If we are going to bring in foreign companies to own our movie studios, then we need to bring in our allies who love and respect us and for whom movies are about more than money and for whom our communities matter. They need to tear down the walls around the studios and send the youth to film school.

When I worked at Universal we had a special day at Christmas time for the people from the Philippines, and the whole park was full of people from the Philippines. The Filipinos have a powerful community here in California. And the Filipinos love Americans it is not just about the money like with some people. Maybe the people from the Philippines will open a studio here if Disney is not interested. And they can just hire all new people as they graduate from the local film and acting schools.

We need for our allies to own our studios, such as the Philippines, and France, if we are going to have foreign companies own our studios. The Japanese are hard core business people, and they build a wall around the studio, they run everything for profit, they send the jobs to other places, and they send the profits back to Japan, while the streets in Los Angeles are full of homeless people. And we need to have healthy communities instead of having our communities be gang war zones and we need for our companies to be a part of our communities and to provide dreams and hope for our youth. Our youth should not be little gangsters, they need to have hopes and dreams and higher aspirations. We have great schools, and we need for our youth to go from college to great jobs where they are respected and where they are paid well.

Sorry, last post about movies on the Ukraine thread.

Salute,

Tony V.

Any thoughts about Russia's threats vis-a-vis Finland? Or over in the Biden folder about the mandatory boarding schools for the children of Natives?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2022, 03:58:29 PM
Putin is becoming more disgusting by the day. And if he only knew the hell that he was inflicting on people. Making so many people become poor and homeless, he has no idea how hard the world can be. The death and destruction is hell, and it is compounded by causing millions to become homeless.

And it is going to become hell for the poor Russians as they starve from the sanctions, they were already poor, and with the sanctions the Russians are going to be starving. 

There are no winners here. And the sooner that Putin is removed the better the world will be.

And Putin will never be satisfied, he is a mad man, with Finland, and then he will target Poland, etc, he will never be satisfied.

I recommend the world come together and make a concerted effort to remove Putin. And we need for China to agree that Putin is like a rabid dog now and must be removed.

And for the Ukrainians, they need to take the fight to Moscow, and Putin needs to see dead bodies on his doorstep like the people of Ukraine, it needs to be the bad guys getting killed instead of the good people of Ukraine.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 12, 2022, 08:48:46 PM
Dresden was a blast.

"All's fair in love and war".

Don't wanna get nuked?
Then don't blow up Pearl Harbour.

Don't want your cities bombed?
Then don't bomb London.

Don't want your country invaded?
Then don't harbour terrorists who blow up New York City.

Don't want your country invaded and your neck stretched?
Then don't be Saddam Hussein.

No degree from Harvard needed for this one either.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 12, 2022, 09:12:55 PM
Dresden was a blast.

"All's fair in love and war".

Don't wanna get nuked?
Then don't blow up Pearl Harbour.

Don't want your cities bombed?
Then don't bomb London.

Don't want your country invaded?
Then don't harbour terrorists who blow up New York City.

Don't want your country invaded and your neck stretched?
Then don't be Saddam Hussein.

No degree from Harvard needed for this one either.

Don't want to get nuked in the 21st century?

(a) don't nuke anybody else

(b) be very careful with loons who own nukes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 13, 2022, 10:41:41 PM
Dresden was a blast.

"All's fair in love and war".

Don't wanna get nuked?
Then don't blow up Pearl Harbour.

Don't want your cities bombed?
Then don't bomb London.

Don't want your country invaded?
Then don't harbour terrorists who blow up New York City.

Don't want your country invaded and your neck stretched?
Then don't be Saddam Hussein.

No degree from Harvard needed for this one either.

Don't want to get nuked in the 21st century?

(a) don't nuke anybody else

(b) be very careful with loons who own nukes.

That too.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 14, 2022, 01:01:55 PM
Russia warned Finland that there would be consequences if they joined NATO.

Finland has not yet joined NATO.

Russia cut off the electricity that they have been supplying, anyway.

Way to give Finland more incentive to join.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 14, 2022, 04:28:37 PM
US retired general felt war would be over in Russia's favor in about three months. Does he look like an idiot. He missed Afghanistan? Just caused a great deal of pain and suffering. Troops are exiting right with haste.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 14, 2022, 05:25:58 PM
US retired general felt war would be over in Russia's favor in about three months. Does he look like an idiot. He missed Afghanistan? Just caused a great deal of pain and suffering. Troops are exiting right with haste.

I don't know where you get "troops are exiting right with haste," Luee. It flies in the face of everything I am reading, whether domestic news or across the Atlantic. The Russian troops are pulling out of one city, but preparing for a broader, longer campaign, betting the West gets fed up.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/as-ukraine-regains-territory-near-kharkiv-russia-prepares-for-a-more-expansive-war
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 14, 2022, 07:07:36 PM
US retired general felt war would be over in Russia's favor in about three months. Does he look like an idiot. He missed Afghanistan? Just caused a great deal of pain and suffering. Troops are exiting right with haste.

You thought it would be over in days...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 14, 2022, 07:27:26 PM
Have to admit I overvalued the military skills of the Ruskies, misunderstood the fighting spirit of the Ukies. This is not the 1930s. Modern weaponry to a large extent neutralizes sheer numrical advantages. Invaders have not fared well lately.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 14, 2022, 08:14:33 PM
Have to admit I overvalued the military skills of the Ruskies, misunderstood the fighting spirit of the Ukies. This is not the 1930s. Modern weaponry to a large extent neutralizes sheer numrical advantages. Invaders have not fared well lately.

I told you as much months ago.

The Bear thought eating the Porcupine would be easy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 15, 2022, 11:53:49 PM
That last post of mine was meant to be in the other Biden forum section.
Maybe it could apply here, maybe there are electric tanks on the way.

You could just delete it here and post it there, you know.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 16, 2022, 12:14:53 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/14/opinions/finland-nato-russia-invasion-heinonen/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 16, 2022, 04:29:03 AM
Sweden and Finland will be joining NATO...just saw their leaders confirming it on my tv news.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 16, 2022, 03:24:06 PM
Putin backs down on his Finnish and Swedish NATO threats:

"Finland and Sweden's NATO entry isn't a threat to Russia, but military expansion will cause a response"

Wonder if that means he will turn Finland's electricity back on.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 16, 2022, 03:32:08 PM
Putin backs down on his Finnish and Swedish NATO threats:

"Finland and Sweden's NATO entry isn't a threat to Russia, but military expansion will cause a response"

Wonder if that means he will turn Finland's electricity back on.

It means the great genius doe fucked upside bad,y he knows threats are bring in diminishing returns.

Putin suckered everyone about his military prowess including himself.

That is what happens when you are surrounded by YES men... like the Trump Administration
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 16, 2022, 04:47:52 PM
Ukraine is counterattacking towards Izium. Recruitment centers are burning here and there in Russia. Civilians continue to die for no good reason.

Rand Paul will be an RT commentator fully time in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 16, 2022, 06:32:52 PM
Putin backs down on his Finnish and Swedish NATO threats:

"Finland and Sweden's NATO entry isn't a threat to Russia, but military expansion will cause a response"

 

Thanks  for the update (as if we needed one)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 16, 2022, 08:53:51 PM
https://digg.com/video/watch-how-a-ukrainian-soldier-turned-the-tables-against-russian-forces-by-using-one-of-their-own-captured-tanks
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 17, 2022, 03:23:37 AM
McDonalds pulling out of Russia forever-
my tv news.
Good...gold medal for McDonalds.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 17, 2022, 04:15:30 AM
Ants are eating what the mice have left behind in Australia.

Ukraine is starting to make moves on Izium and the whole north west end of the Russian crescent.

Waiting for Ukraine to knock out a submarine. I hope it happens soon.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 17, 2022, 10:41:56 AM
Tucker Carlson, who is "rooting for Russia" (according to Carlson) carried on in his hero's style, mocking a veteran's war injury:
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Tucker-Carlson-slams-Rep-Dan-Crenshaw-calling-17178433.php

I am sure that Trump will be proud.

Fox should can his ass.

But then again, Carlson is supporting a country that is explicitly and consistently working against our interests.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 17, 2022, 01:41:58 PM
Carlson is a terrorist organizer. He should be waterboarded whenever he is not being kept in a stress position. We need to find out who is writing his checks and supporting his attacks on the United States.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2022, 02:34:38 PM
Pretty sure Carlson and Trump have nothing to do with each other.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 17, 2022, 05:52:37 PM
Pretty sure Carlson and Trump have nothing to do with each other.

Except they both work for Putin...

Geez you are such a sucker.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 18, 2022, 07:30:53 PM
E bomb

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/18/eu-plans-massive-increase-in-green-energy-to-rid-itself-of-reliance-on-russia?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652882989 (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/may/18/eu-plans-massive-increase-in-green-energy-to-rid-itself-of-reliance-on-russia?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652882989)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 19, 2022, 12:50:42 AM
Freudian slip?

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1527092111195226114?s=21
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 19, 2022, 02:09:37 AM
Freudian slip?

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1527092111195226114?s=21

Too funny!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 19, 2022, 02:56:50 AM
I do not think he would have voted for himself in retrospect. He knows Al would have done a much better job, as would have John in round two.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 19, 2022, 04:46:13 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/19/2098927/-Ivanovo-Heavy-Machine-Tool-Plant-is-the-Latest-Suspicious-Fire-at-a-Strategic-Site-in-Russia (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/19/2098927/-Ivanovo-Heavy-Machine-Tool-Plant-is-the-Latest-Suspicious-Fire-at-a-Strategic-Site-in-Russia)

Probably just a staff barbecue.

Warm spring turns to hot summer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 19, 2022, 04:58:36 PM
I've cooked borscht.  You have to watch it constantly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 19, 2022, 04:59:36 PM
Freudian slip?

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1527092111195226114?s=21

Too funny!

X>)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 23, 2022, 02:16:30 PM
KTLA 5 News

1 hour

A Ukrainian court has sentenced a 21-year-old Russian soldier to life in prison for killing a Ukrainian civilian.


-------------------

The world is documenting Putin's crimes, and the bad guys are going to be held accountable.

A Russian soldier was sentenced for war crimes and many more will follow.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 23, 2022, 04:50:33 PM
Ah yes, war crimes.
If only someone had put a bullet in the unarmed WW1 German soldier Adolf Hitler.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 23, 2022, 06:03:23 PM
A 20 year veteran of Russias diplomatic service announced his resignation Monday in protest of his countrys  war on Ukraine, multiple media outlets reported. 

In a rare public protest by a Russian official, Boris Bondarev, a diplomat posted to Russias  mission to the United Nations in Geneva, posted a statement on a LinkedIn account condemning Russia  invasion of Ukraine and criticizing the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs for complicity in what he described as an an  aggressive war  language that is proscribed in Russia under wartime censorship laws.

 For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year, Bondarev wrote, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to invade Ukraine.  The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 23, 2022, 07:21:40 PM
A 20 year veteran of Russias diplomatic service announced his resignation Monday in protest of his countrys  war on Ukraine, multiple media outlets reported. 

In a rare public protest by a Russian official, Boris Bondarev, a diplomat posted to Russias  mission to the United Nations in Geneva, posted a statement on a LinkedIn account condemning Russia  invasion of Ukraine and criticizing the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs for complicity in what he described as an an  aggressive war  language that is proscribed in Russia under wartime censorship laws.

 For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on February 24 of this year, Bondarev wrote, referring to Russian President Vladimir Putin's decision to invade Ukraine.  The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous free society in our country.


Well, yeah.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 23, 2022, 11:19:44 PM
https://blogs.berkeley.edu/2022/05/19/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-and-other-like-minded-intellectuals-on-the-russia-ukraine-war
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 23, 2022, 11:58:30 PM
I keep hearing that "Ukraine is winning the war".
Then on tv I see Mariupol in ruins and POWs being driven away.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 24, 2022, 12:20:32 AM
Ukraine is a big country, bambu, and their men have not been tenderized and emasculated by a lifetime diet of Fox News.

Ukrainians are still fighting while more and more Russian soldiers refuse. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 24, 2022, 12:39:41 AM
I keep hearing that "Ukraine is winning the war".
Then on tv I see Mariupol in ruins and POWs being driven away.

Considering this was supposed to be over in 3 days and now we are 3 months down the road so I guess it cannot be said Russia is winning.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 25, 2022, 12:32:24 AM
Ukraine is a big country, bambu, and their men have not been tenderized and emasculated by a lifetime diet of Fox News.

Ukrainians are still fighting while more and more Russian soldiers refuse.

Why would Russian soldiers want to fight in this stoopid war of Putin's?
Defending the Russian homeland from invasion by the Nazis was one thing...this war is totally different.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 25, 2022, 09:25:07 AM
Ukraine is a big country, bambu, and their men have not been tenderized and emasculated by a lifetime diet of Fox News.

Ukrainians are still fighting while more and more Russian soldiers refuse.

Why would Russian soldiers want to fight in this stoopid war of Putin's?
Defending the Russian homeland from invasion by the Nazis was one thing...this war is totally different.

No shit..
Title: Re: Russia's War on Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 26, 2022, 07:11:22 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/26/pro-russian-ex-president-of-moldova-placed-under-house-arrest
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 26, 2022, 07:12:56 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/26/russia-slams-sanctions-seeks-to-blame-west-for-food-crisis

Russia wants to blame the West for the food crisis, because of course their war has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 26, 2022, 08:38:56 PM
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/26/russia-slams-sanctions-seeks-to-blame-west-for-food-crisis

Russia wants to blame the West for the food crisis, because of course their war has nothing to do with it.

Just like the GOP
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 27, 2022, 07:02:38 PM
-zzzzzzz..

Are Ukraine and Joe Biden still winning?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 27, 2022, 11:14:28 PM
-zzzzzzz..

Are Ukraine and Joe Biden still winning?

You are such an incredible asshole.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 28, 2022, 12:40:17 PM
-zzzzzzz..

Are Ukraine and Joe Biden still winning?

Putin acting like a punch drunk palooka throwing haymakers... and missing.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 28, 2022, 01:47:01 PM
-zzzzzzz..

Are Ukraine and Joe Biden still winning?
So, you root against America and for Russia. Cool to know.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 28, 2022, 05:40:03 PM
The red GOP jersey never comes off, even when Kid sleeps.  He's a "never nude" like that guy on Arrested Development.  Whose name escapes me atm.

Tobias F
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 28, 2022, 06:02:48 PM
Umlauts still verboten.

Funke, with an umlaut u.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 28, 2022, 10:22:38 PM


---U.S. military officials acknowledge they have spoken to Ukrainian officials repeatedly about Kyiv
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 29, 2022, 12:37:28 AM


---U.S. military officials acknowledge they have spoken to Ukrainian officials repeatedly about Kyiv

Why is this even slightly news?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 29, 2022, 12:48:49 PM
Cut off, ukies asking for advanced rocket launchers. Getting the runaround from sleepy Joe. Just going to rust away. Afraid of the Russian military?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on May 29, 2022, 01:00:50 PM
Cut off, ukies asking for advanced rocket launchers. Getting the runaround from sleepy Joe. Just going to rust away. Afraid of the Russian military?

English, please.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 29, 2022, 04:13:46 PM
English, this website cut off my question. I have had this issue from time to time. I type out a brilliant, response inspiring message and the second half disappears? Is it the website or my wifi?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 29, 2022, 04:19:48 PM
Ukies=Ukrainians
Sleepy Joe=Biden

Biden resists Ukrainian demands for long-range rocket launchers
Officials in Kyiv say the weapons could help in the fight against Russia, but the White House is worried about escalating.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/18/biden-resists-ukrainian-demands-long-range-rocket-launchers-00033473
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 29, 2022, 04:40:03 PM
It takes about a year of prep to train for operations and maintenance not to mention specific supply lines unique to those systems.

They are not asking for Migs anymore because all the Migs are already there. Reapers and Raptors are already coming online there too.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 30, 2022, 10:57:26 AM
Long-range rockets can be fired into Russia.  If we supply them, we are crossing the "existential threat" line that leads to WW3.  This is not (cough) rocket science.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 30, 2022, 01:57:12 PM
A whole bunch of crap is already being fired into Russia, as it should at this point.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on May 30, 2022, 02:27:37 PM
Long-range rockets can be fired into Russia.  If we supply them, we are crossing the "existential threat" line that leads to WW3.  This is not (cough) rocket science.

Russia invaded Ukraine.

Putin will not throw nukes because he is not suicidal and neither are the oligarchs.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 30, 2022, 03:27:31 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/30/2101268/-Ukraine-Update-Ukraine-launches-legit-three-pronged-Kherson-counter-offensive (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/30/2101268/-Ukraine-Update-Ukraine-launches-legit-three-pronged-Kherson-counter-offensive)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 30, 2022, 09:28:05 PM
Putin will not throw nukes ... .




As stated all along.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on May 31, 2022, 07:26:51 AM

---Biden
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on May 31, 2022, 10:14:26 AM
Putin will not throw nukes ... .




As stated all along.

Not by me, or Dmitry Peskov, who stated the "existential threat" standard back in March.

Long range rockets, that could hit major Russian population centers, could cross their stated bright line, and I have no certainty that they wouldn't throw a tactical nuke in reply.  It's vile and hypocritical but it is not beyond all possibility.  I don't trust Putin to give "existential threat" the same meaning that the rest of us do.  He needs to be taken out internally before we can find out more just how little he cares about rational rules of engagement.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 01, 2022, 09:58:56 AM
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/07/us-nuclear-strategy-cold-war-russia/638441/

https://archive.ph/8IJzp

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on June 01, 2022, 12:05:51 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/07/us-nuclear-strategy-cold-war-russia/638441/

https://archive.ph/8IJzp

(a) My hope is that the discussion is going on, but the public doesn't know about it.

(b) I'm not really sure what a strategy should be at anything beyond tactical nukes. "Okay, they are firing at us. Do we fire back and destroy the world or do we allow ourselves to be destroyed in the hope that the world survives, albeit under those villains' control?!"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 01, 2022, 01:42:00 PM
The only sane strategic scenario is omnilateral disarmament with an independent inspection body checking every single installation.  Then use the nuke materials as fuel in modular reactors to help the transition to green energy.  All the nuclear nations would reap significant economic benefits, as well as environmental ones (making weapons-grade U-235, or plutonium, is a dirty business).  The public really needs to be in on this discussion, if it's happening. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 03, 2022, 10:08:16 AM
Looks at the long history of wishful thinkers that Vlad is sick...

https://www.politico.eu/article/backpain-cancer-and-covid-vladimir-putin-top-health-scares-throughout-the-years/

Also linked in that article is a Deutsche Welt piece on why doctors can't really diagnose illnesses on the basis of video stumbles or looking puffy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 05, 2022, 01:46:46 PM
New top General for the invasion force. Sick or well, Vlad does not seem to like news of Russian ass getting kicked or the mass desertions from his war effort.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on June 05, 2022, 06:15:43 PM
New top General for the invasion force. Sick or well, Vlad does not seem to like news of Russian ass getting kicked or the mass desertions from his war effort.

Not seeing that, exactly.

Seeing that the general put in charge in early April, Dornikov, has not been seen for a couple weeks.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/11/europe/ukraine-donbas-battle-russia-cmd-intl/index.html

Seeing that 5 generals got fired (or rotated out, if we are to believe Putin's people).
https://www.newsweek.com/putin-fires-five-generals-russia-military-failures-ukraine-continue-1712053

Seeing yet another Russian general killed in Ukraine.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-general-killed-eastern-ukraine-russian-state-media-reporter-says-2022-06-05/

And I am seeing a claim that their first stage has been successful (!):
https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-goals-scaled-back/31770879.html

But I am missing an appointment of a new general this week.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 07, 2022, 07:36:40 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/07/exhausted-russian-fighters-complain-of-conditions-in-eastern-ukraine (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/07/exhausted-russian-fighters-complain-of-conditions-in-eastern-ukraine)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 08, 2022, 09:37:23 AM
Thanks for the update, Fac.  You are valuable at times.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 09, 2022, 06:08:16 PM
We hope to one day regain your headspace as territory aligned with the Free World, Kid.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on June 10, 2022, 12:26:30 PM
Putin likens himself to Peter the Great, links imperial expansion to Ukraine war

- WaPo headine today.

Looks like he said what we already knew, out loud.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 10, 2022, 06:29:49 PM
Putin likens himself to Peter the Great...
No wonder Sweden wants to join NATO.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 11, 2022, 09:43:04 AM
A nation that has lutfisk does not need NATO. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 13, 2022, 12:20:16 PM
Are we winning ?  Get those batterries sent over yet, Joe?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on June 13, 2022, 02:43:20 PM
Are we winning ?  Get those batterries sent over yet, Joe?


heh


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F-93OFjzQNI
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 18, 2022, 03:19:32 PM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-covid-politics-health-middle-east-58bb99da6bf9fc6af5a5a645022bc4d7

This might also relate (due to potassium and phosphate shortages for fertilizer) to the peecycling article posted yesterday in Science thread. 

Weird that railways in Ukraine use different gauge tracks.  Should have been standardized ages ago. 

Africa and Mideast may have to look into other carbs to substitute, which is a challenge where certain food customs are deeply (didn't see this pun coming) ingrained.  There are many things flour can be made from, if production can be ramped up - cattails, almonds, tapioca (cassava root), sorghum, millet, etc. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on June 18, 2022, 08:39:05 PM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-covid-politics-health-middle-east-58bb99da6bf9fc6af5a5a645022bc4d7

This might also relate (due to potassium and phosphate shortages for fertilizer) to the peecycling article posted yesterday in Science thread. 

Weird that railways in Ukraine use different gauge tracks.  Should have been standardized ages ago. 

Replacing the entire railway system would have taken money they didn't have - and they had been doing more trade with Russia, which was not going to make it easier for the West to attack them, so changing gauge rail roads to match the West was just not going to happen.



Being on the border of then-USSR (Ukraine SSR) and then-Czechoslovakia (Czechia) at 2am and getting off your train so the bodies of each car can be craned off one set of wheels and set down on the other was surreal.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 19, 2022, 11:33:17 AM
Makes sense.  Thanks for the IRL experience of changing gauges in that part of the world.  All the more surreal, if you were a sleeping passenger when they woke you up to do that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on June 19, 2022, 09:47:08 PM
Makes sense.  Thanks for the IRL experience of changing gauges in that part of the world.  All the more surreal, if you were a sleeping passenger when they woke you up to do that.

Which I would have been, except the Soviet train folks triple-sold our seats.

At the border, hungry and wanting food, I tried to ask about buying some - but of course, we had been required to get rid of our Soviet money at boarding and unable to purchase Czech money. And the guards insisted they could not speak Russian, only Serbo-Croatian, while we understood every single thing they said and could tell that they understood us, as well.

I don't think I needed it to be more surreal. (And unbeknownst to me, it would reach that higher level of surreal a few days later, on the train from Prague (Praha) to Copenhagen (K
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 19, 2022, 10:01:53 PM
https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/06/14/a-russian-journalist-asked-his-former-classmates-about-the-ukraine-war-the-answers-were-disturbing/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on June 20, 2022, 01:43:33 AM
https://www.grid.news/story/global/2022/06/14/a-russian-journalist-asked-his-former-classmates-about-the-ukraine-war-the-answers-were-disturbing/

I only find the answers disturbing to the degree that it feels the same to me as asking questions of much of the GOP does.

There is an absolutism to go along with the attacks on any sources of information that disagree with theirs and the attacks on "gay parades" as justification for their actions.

There are no surprises in what they say - the first respondent's position is clear before he gets past referring to Ukrainians by a slur. The "must support my country, even if it is wrong" position is familiar, too.

Mind you, that last position only holds so long as they are afraid of losing their positions of privilege that are tied to this government and economy.

Oh, well.

Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 25, 2022, 03:06:29 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/6/22/2105577/-U-S-intelligence-brief-suggests-Putin-is-waiting-for-another-weak-willed-Republican-to-be-president (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/6/22/2105577/-U-S-intelligence-brief-suggests-Putin-is-waiting-for-another-weak-willed-Republican-to-be-president)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 26, 2022, 08:22:25 AM
Slowly but surely Ukraine is dying...as Russia takes another city.
Sad really.
Putin must be in fits of laughter knowing that everyone is running scared of him and his nuke threats.
Yes, he's just bombing Ukraine into submission and retreat...the West has been shown to have been neutralised by Putin.
Now China knows all it has to do is threaten to use nukes and it 'll be able to invade Taiwan, Australia etc, without censure.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 26, 2022, 09:14:19 AM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/6/22/2105577/-U-S-intelligence-brief-suggests-Putin-is-waiting-for-another-weak-willed-Republican-to-be-president (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/6/22/2105577/-U-S-intelligence-brief-suggests-Putin-is-waiting-for-another-weak-willed-Republican-to-be-president)

Yeah

Seem like Russia is "just waiting around"

Heh
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 26, 2022, 01:08:49 PM
Thanks again, Kid!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on June 28, 2022, 03:26:36 PM
Turkey lifts veto on Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

Putin wanted to weaken NATO...

How do you day I FUCKED UP in Russian?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2022, 05:18:06 PM
Turkey lifts veto on Sweden and Finland joining NATO.

Putin wanted to weaken NATO...

How do you day I FUCKED UP in Russian?

The details: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-nato-biden-turkey-madrid-0441ed4a13ea31aad5df316572f082bf (https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-nato-biden-turkey-madrid-0441ed4a13ea31aad5df316572f082bf)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on June 28, 2022, 05:39:38 PM
Thanks.  I wondered if the Russian shopping mall attack gave the Turks a little nudge to the signing table, but looks like they were already there with getting their other requests. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 28, 2022, 11:54:45 PM
Apparently Turkey was in danger of being banished from NATO itself, after altercations with more than one NATO country.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on July 07, 2022, 09:48:52 AM
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/07/1110219180/record-number-of-people-worldwide-are-moving-toward-starvation-u-n-warns

This is on you, Vlad you evil sack of shit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 13, 2022, 12:55:59 PM
Vatican News

1 hour

Archbishop Paul Richard Gallagher says Pope Francis desires to go to Kyiv, Ukraine, but when and how this could happen remain unknown, and reflects on the diplomatic failure that did not prevent the war when there were warning signs of violence and aggression.

-------------

The reason why we started the CIA and the United Nations after World War II was to prevent wars from happening and to save lives. The plan was to be able to deal with problems early to prevent the little things from growing into big things, and to stop wars before they happen.

We should have acted before Putin invaded Ukraine, and we should have dealt with it earlier, that is what the CIA and United Nations are for.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on July 13, 2022, 03:12:26 PM
What should we have done, Tony?

Before the invasion, the GOP was insisting there would be no invasion!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 13, 2022, 03:25:42 PM
And the Dems knew there would be.  See how  prepared they were?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on July 13, 2022, 04:12:18 PM
And the Dems knew there would be.  See how  prepared they were?

Pretending that the GOP did nothing to prevent preparation.

Tool.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on July 13, 2022, 10:50:16 PM
And the Dems knew there would be.  See how  prepared they were?

You think the last guy would have done a better job in Ukraine? The country he shook down for dirt on Joe Biden?

Could #45 have rallied the EU nations and NATO to assist Ukraine? After bad mouthing them for four years?

Remember everyone said they would whup ass and take Kyiv in a week, tops. Those projections were based on assessments made under Trump.

Old Sleepy Joe surprised the shit out of bare chested bear wrestling Putin.

If Republicans were not so busy obstructing progress in tackling solvable problems with faux religious zealotry the nation and the world would be better off.

Joe Manchin will go down in history as a dick.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 16, 2022, 08:53:29 AM
"Could 45 have.... "?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nato-trump-idUSKCN1RE23P
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on July 16, 2022, 09:09:12 AM
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/factchecking-trumps-nato-remarks/

Scroll down to False NATO Repeats.

Also, from the article you yourself posted, this rather amusing prediction from TFG:

Trump said a stronger NATO provides a bulwark against Russia, but that he believed relations with Moscow will be fine.

As Ward would say, LOL!!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on July 16, 2022, 09:09:32 AM
And the Dems knew there would be.  See how  prepared they were?

You think the last guy would have done a better job in Ukraine? The country he shook down for dirt on Joe Biden?

Could #45 have rallied the EU nations and NATO to assist Ukraine? After bad mouthing them for four years?

Remember everyone said they would whup ass and take Kyiv in a week, tops. Those projections were based on assessments made under Trump.

Old Sleepy Joe surprised the shit out of bare chested bear wrestling Putin.

If Republicans were not so busy obstructing progress in tackling solvable problems with faux religious zealotry the nation and the world would be better off.

Joe Manchin will go down in history as a dick.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 16, 2022, 09:49:24 AM
"Could 45 have.... "?


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nato-trump-idUSKCN1RE23P
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on July 16, 2022, 11:29:50 AM
https://www.factcheck.org/2019/12/factchecking-trumps-nato-remarks/

Scroll down to False NATO Repeats.

Also, from the article you yourself posted, this rather amusing prediction from TFG:

Trump said a stronger NATO provides a bulwark against Russia, but that he believed relations with Moscow will be fine.

As Ward would say, LOL!!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on July 18, 2022, 08:32:30 PM
(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/bac6d545574f4b5babbeffc7fcfaf00f/600.jpeg)

Olena Zelenska.  Beautiful inside and out.  Yes I have a small crush.  It does not help that she is apparently both a humanitarian and a talented comedy scriptwriter.  And an architect.  Good lord. I'm turning into Tony here.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 20, 2022, 05:33:53 PM
What should we have done, Tony?

Before the invasion, the GOP was insisting there would be no invasion!

The CIA should have known what was going on, and we should have acted accordingly to the circumstances, while utilizing the United Nations, etc. It should never have reached a point where troops were amassed at the border, much less an invasion and mass murder of innocent people.

So here we are now, and I am so sad by what has happened to the inncoent people of Ukriane.

With that said, we need to go to the way of peace, which is to say that you cannot drive out darkness with more darkness, only light can do that. And it is the same with hate, you cannot drive out hate with more hate, only love can do that. We need to go the way of love.

We need to love the good people in Russia, and appeal to the best of their humanity, and get the good people in Russia to remove the bad people. We can use wisdom and truth and love to win over the people of Russia to rise up and fight against the bad people. Right makes might. And love is where the power is. Just like a Frank Capra movie. We need to use love to win the peace. We need for the good people in Russia to be loved and supported and guided as they remove the bad people in Russia.

The Pope is ready to go to the Ukraine right now. We need for the power of love to be stronger than hate.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 21, 2022, 12:57:36 PM
Saw a scroll thru on my tv last night...Firsty Lady of Ukraine appealing for more weapons.

Europe will seriously regret letting Russia destroy and capture Ukraine.
Putin Russia knows Biden America won't attack Russia if it invades more of Europe after it's finished turning Ukraine into rubble and owning it.
The American People have no stomach for it, and who can blame them.
Western Europe obviously learnt nothing from WW1 and WW2.
Should've armed itself to the max instead of going around signing
nuclear non-proliferation treaties like Australia did.
Now look what's happened...Russia, China and Iran have formed an alliance to rule the world...and are well on the way to doing so.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 21, 2022, 01:11:40 PM
Love?
Russia, China and Iran dish out tough love.
The only way to beat that is with
pute hate.
Trouble is, Western leaders today are all warm and fuzzy...bambuworld roads are fast being taken over by Chinese cars.
China hurls insults, and bambuland
lets in more Chinese cars...lol.
 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 21, 2022, 02:13:52 PM
Love?
Russia, China and Iran dish out tough love.
The only way to beat that is with
pute hate.
Trouble is, Western leaders today are all warm and fuzzy...bambuworld roads are fast being taken over by Chinese cars.
China hurls insults, and bambuland
lets in more Chinese cars...lol.
Of course there are foreign cars. Australian cars all have pouches instead of trunks. Not very useful.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on July 21, 2022, 02:32:42 PM
Now, now, there is nothing like a car that's all mar-souped up. And the springs are amazing.  First time I drove one I was like "wall aby damned!"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 21, 2022, 02:37:18 PM
Love?
Russia, China and Iran dish out tough love.
The only way to beat that is with
pute hate.
Trouble is, Western leaders today are all warm and fuzzy...bambuworld roads are fast being taken over by Chinese cars.
China hurls insults, and bambuland
lets in more Chinese cars...lol.

We need to love and nurture our fellow human beings globally, and we need to build allies to work for peace. And we have the United Nations.

We had peace with Russia, and after the Berlin Wall came down in Germany, and after the Russians got their freedom, they had a huge rock concert with Pantera and many other American bands, the Russians love American Rock and Roll. We should have kept up the friendship with the Russians, and we should have nurtured the good people in Russia. We have the situation that we have today because we neglected to nurture our relationship with the good people in Russia when Russia was peaceful. Russians love Rock and Roll, and Americans were playing music in front of huge crowds in Russia, we should have kept it up and we should have nurtured our friendship.

There are people who are making money from weapons who want wars, they want you to be afraid so you will spend money on weapons, etc. They cannot make money from peace. So, it is all bullshit. There are people who want to focus on the bad in the world and they want you to spend money for protection. While I agree in being armed, and being able to defend ourselves, I do not agree that we have to have wars with these people, I think we can find the good people to support against the bad people. We need to find allies, we need to find good people to support, and we need to nurture our relationships with the good people.

I had a roommate who was the daughter of a Chinese general, she loves Malibu, she is not our enemy. We need to build relationships with people like my former roommate from China, instead of being enemies. We need to find the people who love us, and we need to love them back. We need to nurture our relationships with our allies.

Mahlagha Jaberi is from Iran, she is not our enemy. She lives in San Diego now. Mahlagha is great, and we need to nurture relationships with the good people from Iran, and we need to support the good people in Iran. The bad people are in the minority, I am sure that the good people are in the majority. We need to support the majority of people who are good people, and we need to nurture relationships with the good people.

In Russia right now we have allies there, there are good people in Russia right now who love us, and who hate what is happening right now in Ukraine, we need to support the good people in Russia in removing the bad people. We need to find our allies in Russia and we need to work together with our allies to stop the war and to remove and punish the bad guys.

One can never get lazy when it comes to our CIA and when it comes to nurturing relationships with the good people. It is like when you raise children, you are responsible for the adults that they become, if you neglect to love and nurture your children then you might end up with bad children, it is important to love and nurture our relationships with the good people around the world, we must never get lazy when it comes to nurturing relationships with the good people.

The Pope is ready to go to Ukraine right now. We need a world-wide global effort to work for peace in conjunction with the Pope. We need mass diplomacy, and we need to reach out to our allies in Russia, while at the same time we can surgically remove bad people and the good people can help us to remove the bad people. Make no mistake, Putin must be held accountable for his crimes, but there are good people in Russia who are against Putin who can take over Russia and remove the bad people.

Instead of just weapons, and war, we need to learn how to do diplomacy, and we need to learn how to nurture relationships with the good people.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 21, 2022, 06:13:30 PM
Russia rules the UN.
The good people in Russia can do nothing, as the bad people in Russia are not interested in diplom
acy, only interested in slaughtering the population of Ukraine and taking Ukraine as part of Russia.
Putin is only one person, so there are many people in Russia behind the invasion/slaughter.
Chinese warships are cruising along the coast of Australia, obviously looking fir suitable landing sites for the invasion by its 2 million troops, tanks, missile launchers etc.
Ms Jaberi is not running Iran, unfortunately. The ayatollahs are.
Peace and love are things of past
eras.
Chairman Mao's words are the standard today:
"Political power grows out of the barrel of a gun".
*
Yes, the man with the biggest and best guns wins.
It has always been so.
A man with no guns has no power and no hope...in every facet of life today.
Self defence, home defence, school defence, country's defence.
American men know it, it's why they want the biggest and best guns.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 21, 2022, 07:24:50 PM
Now Russia is saying that Alaska is part of Russia.
O oh.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on July 21, 2022, 07:50:11 PM
Now Russia is saying that Alaska is part of Russia.
O oh.

Two week old hyperbole.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 21, 2022, 08:37:48 PM
Cleopatra did not rule with the barrel of a gun.

Though I agree we must have a good defense and the best weapons.

The thing is, when all that you have is a hammer, then everything is a nail. We need more tools than just weapons, and we need to use our brains and our hearts.

And we need more filmmakers like Frank Capra was to help to lead Hollywood. And we need better television shows and films and we need better music.

The Russians love American Rock and Roll, we need to give them what they want, we need to find the good people and support the good people as they remove the bad people, like we did in Italy in World War II, we removed the Germans and the Italians killed Mussolini themselves, and then we turned Italy over to the good Italians. We need to help the good people to remove Putin and we need to put the good people in charge of Russia.

And I wish that Mahlagha Jaberi was in charge of Iran, she could be like Cleopatra was in Egypt. And we need for our CIA to always let us know who are our friends who we can support.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on July 21, 2022, 08:47:45 PM
Cleopatra did not rule with the barrel of a gun.

No, just with a powerful and weaponed guard.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 21, 2022, 08:52:45 PM
We also have MONEY as a tool, and world trade as a tool, etc.

We can go in and pay the Russians in Russia to rise up against Putin, we can give financial support to people who want to over-throw Putin. And then when the people remove Putin then we can support the good people by re-establishing world trade, etc.

With Putin in power the only future for the Russians is poverty, we need to convince the Russians that they must remove Putin to have prosperity, with the peace will come prosperity.

We need to give money and weapons and support to our allies in Russia to remove Putin and to restore peace, and with peace will come prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 01, 2022, 05:16:41 AM
Of course Russia has won...Ukrainians being told to evacuate certain parts and told by local authorities to accept Russian rule in others or be arrested.
Europe and the rest of the world basically did *nothing* to stop Russia.





Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 01, 2022, 05:24:09 AM
Maybe if Ukraine could get a gun .  .  .
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 01, 2022, 04:14:19 PM
Now This

The first ship carrying Ukrainian grain set out Monday from the port of Odesa under an internationally brokered deal to unblock the country's agricultural exports.

---------

The local news stopped covering the situation in Ukraine, we had a reporter who went to Ukraine on her own to report the story but then for some reason she quit, she said she wants to start a new chapter in her life, Christina Pascucci, so now no one is reporting on what is going on in Ukraine. Christina kept us well informed on Ukraine, but she said she wanted to do other things with her life and she retired as a reporter. Christina was a great reporter, it is sad that she quit. For some reason she just quit her job, and no one else has been reporting on Ukraine.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on August 01, 2022, 04:48:16 PM
As Putin prepped and then launched the Russian invasion of Ukraine, many top conservatives (a) rushed to his defense and (b) blamed Biden for it.

But whether, as the GOP would have it, this only happened because of Biden's weakness, or this only happened because of GOP coddling of and support for Putin, it has happened.

The truth of the matter is that it shouldn't matter whether our president is strong or weak or our opposition party is encouraging and complicit or supportive of the occupant of the White House. The person responsible for this invasion is Vladimir Putin, would-be President-for-Life of Russia.

What do you think should be our response at this point and what, if anything, should the NATO response be?

Keep doing what is being done and increase the weaponry.

Russia is getting squeezed inside and outside.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2022, 11:17:57 PM
(http://static-euronews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/i/s/static.euronews.com/articles/stories/06/90/51/00/1280x720_cmsv2_efc7715b-8439-50c1-85d9-a092ee3c4187-6905100.jpg)

http://news.yahoo.com/sculpture-vladimir-putin-riding-miniature-062653239.html (http://news.yahoo.com/sculpture-vladimir-putin-riding-miniature-062653239.html)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 07, 2022, 03:46:17 PM
Vatican News

3 hours

Pope Francis expresses his satisfaction that grain ships have been allowed to leave Ukrainian ports, saying the deal offers a sign of hope that a just and lasting peace can be found.

-----------

The first ship brought wheat to Lebanon, which is a good start. The people can eat bread and fish.

I hope that this is the first sign of a chance for peace and diplomacy.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on August 11, 2022, 09:06:26 AM
https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-suggests-partisans-behind-blasts-russian-airbase-crimea-2022-08-10/

Ukraine would win a lot of large stuffed bears at the State Fair.  Some precision shooting.

Quote
Exactly how the attack was carried out remains a mystery. Some Ukrainian officials have been quoted suggesting it may have been sabotage by infiltrators. But the near identical impact craters and simultaneous explosions appear to indicate it was hit by a volley of weapons capable of evading Russian defences.

The base is well beyond the range of advanced rockets that Western countries acknowledge sending to Ukraine so far, but within range of more powerful versions that Kyiv has sought. Ukraine also has anti-ship missiles which could theoretically be used to hit targets on land... 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on August 19, 2022, 01:08:26 PM
Blowing up the Kerch Strait bridge would be a nice setback for Russia.  Good luck, Ukraine.

https://archive.ph/kzvt0#a-bridge-to-crimea-is-a-vital-russian-link-and-a-potential-ukrainian-target

(screenshot, NYT coverage)

I'll be whistling the Colonel Bogey March. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 21, 2022, 06:44:24 PM
This Pope seems like a nice man...friend to all...unlike the one in recent times who ...

Article:

"If it isn't Roman Catholic then it's not a proper church, Pope tells Christians".
Non-Roman Catholic churches were described as "defective".
Said churches were outraged.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 26, 2022, 05:15:09 AM
California to require all new cars to run on electricity by 2035.

. Where will all the electricity come from?
. How are motorists going to afford the batteries?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 01, 2022, 04:13:08 AM
Russia will hit 50k dead and another 150k to never fight again in the next week. It is a month or two away from being effectively out of shells and missiles. Not a good look when your war machine is largely moving backwards.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 01, 2022, 04:17:16 AM
California to require all new cars to run on electricity by 2035.

. Where will all the electricity come from?
. How are motorists going to afford the batteries?

The batteries will be based on hydrogen, or sulfur, or salt and carbon, or a combination of the above.

A good vehicle now, small but affordable can get you between 300-500 miles. Some do more and are slippery enough that solar on the vehicle, not your home, in a sunny area or season entirely replaces the energy used in normal daily driving.

Moores Law is hitting batteries hard.

Old man, keep up!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 01, 2022, 09:41:15 AM
It appears Putin is turning to the tried and true .ethod of defenestration to silence critics.

Russian Oil Executive Falls Out Of Hospital Window And Dies, Reports Say
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-lukoil-oil-executive-dies_n_63109b1ce4b063d5e6223887
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on September 01, 2022, 10:16:48 AM
Fall six stories, is merely symptom of serious illness, tovarich.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 01, 2022, 01:35:47 PM
Wish I had taken bets on Russia catching hell in Ukraine when the war began.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 11, 2022, 12:04:59 AM
Like I said six months ago the Russian Bear is choking on the Ukraine porcupine.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/10/world/europe/russia-ukraine-retreat-putin.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on September 12, 2022, 12:37:10 PM
Is this a real turning point, one wonders.  If western supplies (drones, LR missiles, etc.) keep coming, and Russia keeps recruiting raw kids whose only other option was jail, we might see more reclaimed territory.


https://archive.ph/ZMz0Y

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 12, 2022, 01:09:12 PM
Russia is working from fear outward from Putin. Russians probably except Wagner, but contract, conscript, convict, snatched up Ukrainians, and all including North Koreans soon stay put or move forward mainly out of fear of being shot by the guys behind them. If at some point the guys in front are more scary and dangerous than their own ranks behind, they break and break extra disorderly.

Ukrainians have a reasonable expectation not to be deliberately shot by other Ukrainian soldiers. This turns out to be a huge advantage when it comes to holding ground.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 13, 2022, 02:02:31 AM
Have "the Assassins" lopped off Putin's head yet?
Seems like they mean business. I'd be very concerned if I were Putin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 13, 2022, 05:00:04 AM
http://www.thebulwark.com/ukraines-momentum-putins-fears/ (http://www.thebulwark.com/ukraines-momentum-putins-fears/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 16, 2022, 06:51:45 PM
Just in case the West thinks China is its friend...

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3192630/xi-jinping-and-vladimir-putin-speak-person-first-time-russia (https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3192630/xi-jinping-and-vladimir-putin-speak-person-first-time-russia)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 20, 2022, 08:58:43 PM
http://www.vox.com/world/2022/9/20/23362290/russia-ukraine-china-technology-west-war (http://www.vox.com/world/2022/9/20/23362290/russia-ukraine-china-technology-west-war)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 21, 2022, 06:44:55 PM
Playing the bluff to the end.

1 hr 25 min ago
Lithuania FM says Putin's saber-rattling is a bluff
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler

Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said Wednesday that Vladimir Putin1 hr 27 min ago
Lithuania FM says Putin's saber-rattling is a bluff
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-21-22/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 21, 2022, 09:58:48 PM
Playing the bluff to the end.

1 hr 25 min ago
Lithuania FM says Putin's saber-rattling is a bluff
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler

Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said Wednesday that Vladimir Putin1 hr 27 min ago
Lithuania FM says Putin's saber-rattling is a bluff
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-21-22/index.html

And what if it's not a bluff?
Hitler was crazy, but he and his gang were not bluffing.

Time for those "Assassins" to do their work.

Flights out of Russia are fully booked...people fearing conscription.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 21, 2022, 10:13:25 PM
Playing the bluff to the end.

1 hr 25 min ago
Lithuania FM says Putin's saber-rattling is a bluff
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler

Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis said Wednesday that Vladimir Putin1 hr 27 min ago
Lithuania FM says Putin's saber-rattling is a bluff
From CNN's Jennifer Hansler
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-21-22/index.html

And what if it's not a bluff?
Hitler was crazy, but he and his gang were not bluffing.

Time for those "Assassins" to do their work.

Flights out of Russia are fully booked...people fearing conscription.

Pull the covers over your head and watch On The Beach
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 22, 2022, 04:40:34 PM
n St. Petersburg, a military recruitment office was set ablaze overnight, with two other less successful arson attacks carried out in Orenburg and Zabaykalsy Krai, according to Mediazona.

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-panic-spirals-arson-attacks-175713499.html

Why Vietnam, remembrances of LBJ's war? Now erased from the history books.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 22, 2022, 07:12:24 PM
n St. Petersburg, a military recruitment office was set ablaze overnight, with two other less successful arson attacks carried out in Orenburg and Zabaykalsy Krai, according to Mediazona.

https://news.yahoo.com/russian-panic-spirals-arson-attacks-175713499.html

Why Vietnam, remembrances of LBJ's war? Now erased from the history books.

"All the way with LBJ" my Prime Minister spoke as he invoked conscription.

"Nuke em" I said...as I registered for the draft, very reluctantly.
I was much luckier than all those young Americans who were drafted then slaughtered in Vietnam for nothing, yes nothing..........my draft was a ballot...my number wasn't drawn out of the barrel.

No Americans must die defending Australia when China invades [only a matter of time and withing 5 years according to *my* experts].
Washington and Britain [France seems to hate Australia now, likely can't rely on them anymore, pity all those Aussie troops were slaughtered saving France] should see to it that Australia is nuke armed at sea, in the air, and on land very soon...so Australia can fire nukes at China when the invasion starts.

"Russia storms out of the UN [what's Russia even still doing in the UN?]...Putin passes secret law for 1m troops."

Yes, Putin's gonna throw 1million more troops at Ukraine.
These Russian troops will simply overrun the 'wagon train' by sheer numbers, Ukrainian military won't be able to slaughter them fast enough.
Maybe get Ukraine some "Aussie Storm of Metal Terror" 1million rounds a minute electronic machine guns. US Navy has them.
These machine guns could mow down the invading Russian hordes.
NATO missiles are needed, many and in a hurry, a continual supply, gotta get those Russian[and Chinese?] planes out of the sky.

No time for more prisoners, it's now "kill kill kill" as many invading Russians as possible, as quickly as possible.

Now that President Biden has stated that America will defend Taiwan if China attacks, People in Russia should be told that the first time Putin fires a nuke that many nukes will rain down on Russia and they will be turned into ash.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 23, 2022, 06:31:36 PM
Shown on my tv last night:

Russian families in heartbreaking scenes as they say goodbye to their husbands, brothers, sons and the little children their dads
"Come back soon" said one small child to its father.
Not much chance of that...the father will be coming over the border to kill Ukrainians...and will likely get slaughtered, their blood on the hands of Putin...and all in Russia who support him.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 23, 2022, 06:53:02 PM
Shown on my tv last night:

Russian families in heartbreaking scenes as they say goodbye to their husbands, brothers, sons and the little children their dads
"Come back soon" said one small child to its father.
Not much chance of that...the father will be coming over the border to kill Ukrainians...and will likely get slaughtered, their blood on the hands of Putin...and all in Russia who support him.

You were urging Ukraine to surrender not long ago...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 23, 2022, 08:41:15 PM
Shown on my tv last night:

Russian families in heartbreaking scenes as they say goodbye to their husbands, brothers, sons and the little children their dads
"Come back soon" said one small child to its father.
Not much chance of that...the father will be coming over the border to kill Ukrainians...and will likely get slaughtered, their blood on the hands of Putin...and all in Russia who support him.

You were urging Ukraine to surrender not long ago...

That was at the beginning.
If Ukraine had surrendered then, all the Ukrainians who have been murdered in their homes by Russia, all those apartment buildings full of people blown up, would likely be alive and intact today, families still united.
The West was not there to help them at the beginning.
Putin's 1m troops will likey overrun what's left of Ukraine...and the resistance will have all been for nothing.
Poland, France, Holland etc surrendered to Hitler in WW2, not enough military might to fight with.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 23, 2022, 10:38:29 PM
Shown on my tv last night:

Russian families in heartbreaking scenes as they say goodbye to their husbands, brothers, sons and the little children their dads
"Come back soon" said one small child to its father.
Not much chance of that...the father will be coming over the border to kill Ukrainians...and will likely get slaughtered, their blood on the hands of Putin...and all in Russia who support him.

You were urging Ukraine to surrender not long ago...

That was at the beginning.
If Ukraine had surrendered then, all the Ukrainians who have been murdered in their homes by Russia, all those apartment buildings full of people blown up, would likely be alive and intact today, families still united.
The West was not there to help them at the beginning.
Putin's 1m troops will likey overrun what's left of Ukraine...and the resistance will have all been for nothing.
Poland, France, Holland etc surrendered to Hitler in WW2, not enough military might to fight with.

You were wrong then and you are still wrong.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 23, 2022, 11:23:11 PM
Bambu considers being alive in a rape cage intact.  This is because a Russian rape cage would be a marked step up from the present circumstance of Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 24, 2022, 02:42:50 AM
Bambu considers being alive in a rape cage intact.  This is because a Russian rape cage would be a marked step up from the present circumstance of Bambu.

bambu's present circumstances are just fine...well except that he still has too much stuff in his garage [stacked neatly in storage tubs, mostly] from when he moved house several years ago.
The car still fits in, and the auto door works well.
2 fridges, clothes dryer, dog cages [folding], bags, suitcases, clothes, gardening tools, plus all the other stuff needed to run a household.
He thought his garage was a mess, until he drove past some of the others in the village, they're the same, some worse. Some basically have only the car in them, usually single women, seems to be.

Russian rape cage, or death...not much of a choice...but it's what happens when you can't defend yourself, and the world just stands on the sidelines doing nothing much, saying "oh isn't that terrible".
Exactly why Australia was totally foolish to go around signing nuclear non-proliferation treaties instead of arming itself with nukes, ...and chemical weapons, and biological weapons [they'll be the next things in general war use, you watch].
Guns beat spears and arrows...the way it has always been. Nukes beat conventional weapons.

Last night on my tv news it was stated that the weapons needed by Ukraine ...now...are not being supplied...now...by the West.
If Russia is not stopped, time to starve Russia and cut off all its trade...then who knows who'll be next.
If the world is really as outraged as it says it is, it will supply Ukraine with every type of missile and other weapons it needs...now.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 24, 2022, 03:37:27 AM
Someone should ask Australia's new Leftist Foreign Minister Penny Wong, who's over at the UN talking up nuclear non-proliferation, and in the next breath saying "WE cannot be passive when big powers flout the rules", just who she thinks 'We' are and what she thinks her 'non-nuke proliferation', 'unarmed' country can actually do to be 'non-passive'.
Maybe Washington could ask her...Then explain it all to her.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 24, 2022, 03:58:57 AM
You should send your guns to Ukraine, Bambi.

Also spread the word to your friends that time in a Ukrainian prison is in every way preferable to time in a Russian foxhole or trench. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 24, 2022, 04:31:40 AM
You should send your guns to Ukraine, Bambi.

Also spread the word to your friends that time in a Ukrainian prison is in every way preferable to time in a Russian foxhole or trench.

On my tv news just now were shown Russian kamikaze drones (supplied by Iran) blowing up parts of sea port Odesa in Ukraine. Two drones struck, third one was shot down over the sea and towed ashore?
How's the Iranian nuke deal going?
Think Iran conned everyone with that deal.
Luee tried to tell everyone in this forum about the ayatollahs and Iran but was dismissed as racist or something...such was the love here for Iran.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 24, 2022, 06:57:00 AM
Yes I still do not understand the rise to power of the Ayatollahs. Iran was the bright light of the Islamic world. Now they own the darkest unlit corner. Zombieland. Death to America, really!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 24, 2022, 08:15:05 AM
You should send your guns to Ukraine, Bambi.

Also spread the word to your friends that time in a Ukrainian prison is in every way preferable to time in a Russian foxhole or trench.

On my tv news just now were shown Russian kamikaze drones (supplied by Iran) blowing up parts of sea port Odesa in Ukraine. Two drones struck, third one was shot down over the sea and towed ashore?
How's the Iranian nuke deal going?
Think Iran conned everyone with that deal.
Luee tried to tell everyone in this forum about the ayatollahs and Iran but was dismissed as racist or something...such was the love here for Iran.
There is so much wrong with this it is hard to know where to start. Drones are irrelevant to the nuclear deal, and conventional weapons were not part of it. The nuclear deal with Iran was working. Trump broke it, not Iran. Iran has decided that without the US they are not bound by the deal and have acted accordingly. We need to redo the deal, and it will probably wind up being a worse deal than we had before. Because Trump had no clue what he was doing.

And everyone is aware that Iran and its ambitions are dangerous. That is why we made the treaty with them that included robust inspections. The problem with luee and your trembling frightened impotent little self is the hatred and fear of all Muslims everywhere.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 24, 2022, 11:28:10 AM
Deadly protests in Iran continue for a 9th day:
https://www.foxnews.com/world/deadly-protests-iran-continue-9th-day-death-dictator

All over for the mangods.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 24, 2022, 11:52:43 AM
Yes I still do not understand the rise to power of the Ayatollahs. Iran was the bright light of the Islamic world. Now they own the darkest unlit corner. Zombieland. Death to America, really!

Because the CIA and BP overthrew the elected DEMOCRATIC government and reinstalled the Pahlavi family as Shah.

SAVAK brutally repressed the population and that opened the door for revolution.

Each time the West has tried to accommodate the people of Iran the GOP fucks things up (you know how many folks should have gone to JAIL for Iran Contra?) and that reinforces the power of the Mullahs.

Now the population is rising up against the government AGAIN... watch the GOP try and gum this up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 24, 2022, 11:54:09 AM
You should send your guns to Ukraine, Bambi.

Also spread the word to your friends that time in a Ukrainian prison is in every way preferable to time in a Russian foxhole or trench.

On my tv news just now were shown Russian kamikaze drones (supplied by Iran) blowing up parts of sea port Odesa in Ukraine. Two drones struck, third one was shot down over the sea and towed ashore?
How's the Iranian nuke deal going?
Think Iran conned everyone with that deal.
Luee tried to tell everyone in this forum about the ayatollahs and Iran but was dismissed as racist or something...such was the love here for Iran.
There is so much wrong with this it is hard to know where to start. Drones are irrelevant to the nuclear deal, and conventional weapons were not part of it. The nuclear deal with Iran was working. Trump broke it, not Iran. Iran has decided that without the US they are not bound by the deal and have acted accordingly. We need to redo the deal, and it will probably wind up being a worse deal than we had before. Because Trump had no clue what he was doing.

And everyone is aware that Iran and its ambitions are dangerous. That is why we made the treaty with them that included robust inspections. The problem with luee and your trembling frightened impotent little self is the hatred and fear of all Muslims everywhere.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 24, 2022, 09:52:03 PM
You should send your guns to Ukraine, Bambi.

Also spread the word to your friends that time in a Ukrainian prison is in every way preferable to time in a Russian foxhole or trench.

On my tv news just now were shown Russian kamikaze drones (supplied by Iran) blowing up parts of sea port Odesa in Ukraine. Two drones struck, third one was shot down over the sea and towed ashore?
How's the Iranian nuke deal going?
Think Iran conned everyone with that deal.
Luee tried to tell everyone in this forum about the ayatollahs and Iran but was dismissed as racist or something...such was the love here for Iran.
There is so much wrong with this it is hard to know where to start. Drones are irrelevant to the nuclear deal, and conventional weapons were not part of it. The nuclear deal with Iran was working. Trump broke it, not Iran. Iran has decided that without the US they are not bound by the deal and have acted accordingly. We need to redo the deal, and it will probably wind up being a worse deal than we had before. Because Trump had no clue what he was doing.

And everyone is aware that Iran and its ambitions are dangerous. That is why we made the treaty with them that included robust inspections. The problem with luee and your trembling frightened impotent little self is the hatred and fear of all Muslims everywhere.

Not impotent yet, although they say it shouldn't be long...heart medication.
Oh well, that'll be a new experience.
Frightened?
Why wouldn't I be frightened?
I'm same age as Trump, elderly (feel a bit old, but not elderly by my definition)...to me the very old people in my village who get blown onto a leaning angle when they turn a certain corner, and ones who use walking sticks and walking frames because they're frail are elderly.
I'm unarmed...not allowed to carry any gun, knife, a blade of any description, or blunt instrument.
I'm a sitting duck for the bad people of all kinds.
I've shrunk to 5'7".
Yes, an elderly, unarmed, little sitting duck.

Fearful of Muslims?
It's the 20th anniversary of the Bali bombings...Muslims slaughtered tourists.
9/11...Muslims blew up New York City.
Muslims burnt down *half* of Europe over cartoons.
Taliban are Muslims.
People were slaughtered on London bridges etc by Muslims.
Christians are being cooked alive in bread ovens by Muslims.
Terror attacks in London and *all over* Europe by Muslims.
Muslim riots in Sydney.
2000AD... gang rapes by Muslims in Sydney.
Congaline of Muslims thru the courts in Australia, sentenced to long prison terms for planning terror attacks.

Fact: Muslim Iran's kamikazi drones are killing pelple in Ukraine.
Iran is clearly the enemy now along with Russia.

Trump could see the folly of the "Death to America" Iran nuke deal.
Iran got its frozen USD150 billion back?


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 24, 2022, 11:21:51 PM
They do support Putin and pedophilia and the killing of young folks protesting. Eye gouging and amputations are just part of their not too jovial style. National suicide by nuking is their ultimate desire. Cut out their tongues, sew up their lips, and bury them in swine manure it is so written.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 29, 2022, 12:46:17 PM
Russian soldiers calling friends and family...


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on September 29, 2022, 01:13:04 PM
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/kremlin-regions-ukraine-folded-russia-friday-90683980

The sham annexation moves ahead. 

Armed Russian troops at went door-to-door with election officials to collect ballots in five days of voting that produced suspiciously high margins in favor of joining Russia. Ukrainian officials said the military escorts also took down the names of residents who voted against annexation....

This theater of the absurd, the blown-up pipelines, the sanctions, the sagging morale, the desertions and draft dodging....you wonder how shitty things have to get before Putin starts to reevaluate his cost/benefit picture on the war. And hope he doesn't think pushing the button will solve everything. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on September 29, 2022, 01:13:58 PM
Russian soldiers calling friends and family...


https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/09/28/world/europe/russian-soldiers-phone-calls-ukraine.html

Don't think my screenshot trick will work on this one.  Will try to find a way past the PW. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 29, 2022, 09:41:19 PM
Imagine voting "NO" to annexation when the election official and the armed troops came calling.
Putin Russia is slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
Won't be long now, the 1m troops will see to that.
It is said that Ukraine is winning the war, but that is just not so.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 29, 2022, 10:43:28 PM
Imagine voting "NO" to annexation when the election official and the armed troops came calling.
Putin Russia is slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
Won't be long now, the 1m troops will see to that.
It is said that Ukraine is winning the war, but that is just not so.

Is that what the No.1 radio host says?

Putin falsely annexed those regions so when the Ukrainians keep kicking the shit out his army he can howl that his nation is being attacked.

Problem for Putin is more mean are running out of Russia to escape the draft. The troops he forces into action will sooner kill their commanders and bug out rather than fight for Putin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 29, 2022, 10:58:58 PM
Imagine voting "NO" to annexation when the election official and the armed troops came calling.
Putin Russia is slowly but surely taking over Ukraine.
Won't be long now, the 1m troops will see to that.
It is said that Ukraine is winning the war, but that is just not so.

Is that what the No.1 radio host says?

Putin falsely annexed those regions so when the Ukrainians keep kicking the shit out his army he can howl that his nation is being attacked.

Problem for Putin is more mean are running out of Russia to escape the draft. The troops he forces into action will sooner kill their commanders and bug out rather than fight for Putin.

No, it's what I say/see.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 29, 2022, 11:12:42 PM
Donald Trump has kindly offered to negotiate a peace deal in Ukraine- Russia war.
Might work. He could succeed where others have failed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on September 29, 2022, 11:29:16 PM
So glad ( not) we poured another 12$billion down the Ukrainian sewer hole to justify keeping our  government solvent.  We prop up an Autocrat Zelensky  while ignoring our own porous borders killing thousands of Americans via cartels importing fetandyl.
Thanks Joe. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 30, 2022, 02:53:06 AM
So glad ( not) we poured another 12$billion down the Ukrainian sewer hole to justify keeping our  government solvent.  We prop up an Autocrat Zelensky  while ignoring our own porous borders killing thousands of Americans via cartels importing fetandyl.
Thanks Joe.

"Porous borders" sure seems to what the American people want.
They hated Trump and his Mexican border wall designed to *seal* the border.
Trump tried to stop the flood of asylum seekers pouring in over the border....anyone and everyone who were just waltzing in.
The American people rejected Trump, and installed Joe as President instead.

The $12billion was money well spent defending America and ensuring its future...PNAC MK2 if you like.
Although Ukraine is not in NATO, it really is, in a de facto manner.
China now rules the world, basically.
...and will eventually own the world...if things in place now don't change.
Washington gets it now, that it can't survive in the world alone, and needs allies...both economic and military allies.
China v USA...China might win.
China + Russia + Iran ..v USA...USA likely loses.
But, China + Russia + Iran etc  v   USA + Britain + Canada + France + Australia + NZ + Japan + India + NATO + Israel + Taiwan + South Korea + Malaysia + Philippines + Thailand + Saudis etc...wins. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 30, 2022, 04:29:12 PM
I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party. It is harmful and dangerous at so many levels as well as being illegal. Just stay home. The US does not need cheap nannies, cheap drugs, cheap labor, an increased housing shortage, and social services stretched to the maximum.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 30, 2022, 05:09:15 PM
I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party.
Probably because it is not and never has been. Unless hour definition of "Open Border" is "basically the same general policy, only without deliberate cruelty."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on September 30, 2022, 07:40:18 PM
I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party. It is harmful and dangerous at so many levels as well as being illegal. Just stay home. The US does not need cheap nannies, cheap drugs, cheap labor, an increased housing shortage, and social services stretched to the maximum.

That cheap labor, from immigrants, is why housing was as affordable as it was.  In most countries, an average middle class family does not expect or get 2200 square feet of interior space.  That extravagant demand was only conceivable where immigrant construction labor could be underpaid and treated poorly, and where trim and flooring materials got cheaper and skimpier, and where land was cheap. 

Most developed nations (except Australia, the other bigass house outlier) would average around one half the SF of an American SFH.  Even here, SFH averaged around 1300 SF in the 1950s-1970s, with smaller (or no) garages, which is why middle class and working class families found home ownership feasible. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on September 30, 2022, 09:37:05 PM
I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party.
Probably because it is not

and never has been. Unless hour definition of "Open Border" is "basically the same general policy, only without deliberate cruelty."
Cruelty?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on September 30, 2022, 09:43:02 PM
I still do not understand where open borders became a plank of the Democratic party. It is harmful and dangerous at so many levels as well as being illegal. Just stay home. The US does not need cheap nannies, cheap drugs, cheap labor, an increased housing shortage, and social services stretched to the maximum.

That cheap labor, from immigrants.


 is why housing was as affordable as it was.  In most countries, an average middle class family does not expect or get 2200 square feet of interior space. 

That extravagant demand was only conceivable where immigrant construction labor could be underpaid and treated poorly, and where trim and flooring materials got cheaper and skimpier, and where land was cheap.
Please explain how substandard housing under your definition could ever bypas building codes,civic  regulations,
and union pay scales ?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 01, 2022, 09:48:07 AM
Quality declined after WW2 - not by violating codes, just moving away from oak trim, hardwood strip flooring, high ceilings, basements, etc.  And cheap land for suburban subdivisions.  Not necessarily bad houses, just cheaply made compared to classics like the American Four Square or the Craftsman bungalow.   Later, more plastic materials - laminates, PEX plumbing, paneling, etc. 

As for union pay scales, surely you didn't miss the Reagan era, the PATCO strikebreaking and his general attack on unions,, the ensuing passage of Right to Work laws in many states (especially states with the fastest growth), the increases in hiring off-the-book, undocumented labor, etc.

One sardine, that's it. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 01, 2022, 10:18:24 AM
Quality declined after WW2 - not by violating codes, just moving away from oak trim, hardwood strip flooring, high ceilings, basements, etc.  And cheap land for suburban subdivisions.  Not necessarily bad houses, just cheaply made compared to classics like the American Four Square or the Craftsman bungalow.   Later, more plastic materials - laminates, PEX plumbing, paneling, etc. 

As for union pay scales, surely you didn't miss the Reagan era, the PATCO strikebreaking and his general attack on unions,, the ensuing passage of Right to Work laws in many states (especially states with the fastest growth), the increases in hiring off-the-book, undocumented labor, etc.

One sardine, that's it.
How many homes were built by PATCO members.?How did right to work laws affect the building of houses, except in a  positive way?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 01, 2022, 10:34:35 AM

New strategy for the Kremlin.

Declare annexation and then bug out.


https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/01/world/russia-ukraine-war-news
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 02, 2022, 04:14:20 PM
Cheap Labor turns the whole workforce into cheap labourers.
Wonder where the middle class earning good salaries went?
Down the drain of cheap labour it disappeared...along with the jobs of Americans.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 02, 2022, 04:39:03 PM
Cheap Labor turns the whole workforce into cheap labourers.
Wonder where the middle class earning good salaries went?
Down the drain of cheap labour it disappeared...along with the jobs of Americans.

Sometimes work is so hard to get that the locals become homeless in their own places of birth while people come from other places and do the jobs. You cannot get a job cleaning toilets in Anaheim because we have people here from all over the world looking for work here who will clean toilets. That is why education is important, and learning how to do things to improve your standard of living. And those who create jobs are blessed here. If you can create jobs then it is easy to find workers here.

And I had a maid from El Salvador and she was wonderful. I loved having a maid, and she was great.

On the issue of wages, we have unions, including the United Farm Workers, and the unions make sure that the workers are paid fair. We also have prevailing wages on government jobs. A new law is in the works that will make the employers tell you the wages before you apply for a job there, which will be great.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 02, 2022, 06:35:34 PM
The INVINCIBLE Russian Army with a million troops... yeah, keep on believing that.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/10/02/world/russia-ukraine-war-news

In an article published on Sunday in a major Russian newspaper, Komsomolskaya Pravda, a prominent war correspondent traveling with fleeing Russian forces described demoralized troops with empty eyes who barely escaped Lyman with their lives.

In an unusually candid assessment, the account, written by Aleksandr Kots, said that in the last few days of their occupation, Russian forces in Lyman were plagued by desertion, poor planning and the late arrival of reserves.

The risk of encirclement or shameful imprisonment became too great, and the Russian command made a decision to fall back, he wrote.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2022, 06:52:32 PM
Times, CNN and MS paint a rosy Ukraine war picture
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 02, 2022, 07:48:56 PM
Times, CNN and MS paint a rosy Ukraine war picture
Rosy for Who?
Certainly not the USA.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 02, 2022, 07:52:59 PM
Times, CNN and MS paint a rosy Ukraine war picture
Rosy for Who?
Certainly not the USA.
Why do you hate America?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 02, 2022, 08:04:10 PM
Possible reversal of the Far Right autocrat trend, at least in Brazil.  DaSilva has a solid lead on Bolsonaro.  Presume anyone can do a better job protecting the Lungs of the World than Bolsonaro.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2022, 08:48:32 PM
????
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 02, 2022, 09:15:55 PM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 02, 2022, 09:57:22 PM
Possible reversal of the Far Right autocrat trend, at least in Brazil.  DaSilva has a solid lead on Bolsonaro.  Presume anyone can do a better job protecting the Lungs of the World than Bolsonaro.
Whoops, not so fast.
Nothing settled except Bolsonaro defied the pollsters and has forced a second vote.
Despite the baggage from his handling of the Pandemic and other issues Brazilians are not convinced that the
left s abandonment  of working people, criticism of the police, and disrespect for religious values( largest Catholic country in the world) deserved their vote and so kept Lula short  of 50 per cent( 48-43).
Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 03, 2022, 09:42:55 AM
Hence my use of the word "possible," sparky.

DaSilva helped a lot of working people, far from abandoning them.  Hence his five point margin and even greater margin in pre election polling.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 03, 2022, 09:45:05 AM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-business-lebanon-syria-87c3b6fea3f4c326003123b21aa78099?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_02

Ths is another war crime.   It's hardly "rosy" for Ukraine. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 03, 2022, 09:52:02 AM
Hence my use of the word "possible," sparky.

DaSilva helped a lot of working people, far from abandoning them.  Hence his five point margin and even greater margin in pre election polling.
LOL.

He was supposed to win by up to 11 points..

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on October 03, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
https://archive.ph/BeC6H#the-kremlin-after-trumpeting-annexation-admits-it-doesnt-know-where-the-borders-are

Heh.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2022, 02:11:11 PM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?
In case you wondered where RedDickJimmEspn gets his marching orders:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cpac-tweet-ukraine-russia-b2190971.html

Although the American arm of the Russian propaganda machine had the common sense to delete the tweet and RedDickJimmEspn has, as yet, not.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 03, 2022, 03:07:08 PM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?
In case you wondered where RedDickJimmEspn gets his marching orders:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cpac-tweet-ukraine-russia-b2190971.html

Although the American arm of the Russian propaganda machine had the common sense to delete the tweet and RedDickJimmEspn has, as yet, not.
And never will.
Putin and Zelensky  can duke it out all they want but not at the expense of a $100 billion+ USA pipeline that only has squeezed our tactical  and strategic weapon reserves down to dangerous levels. And leaving us weaker to worry about Russian missies over Kyiy?
Fuck that shit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2022, 03:51:41 PM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?
In case you wondered where RedDickJimmEspn gets his marching orders:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cpac-tweet-ukraine-russia-b2190971.html

Although the American arm of the Russian propaganda machine had the common sense to delete the tweet and RedDickJimmEspn has, as yet, not.
And never will.
Putin and Zelensky  can duke it out all they want but not at the expense of a $100 billion+ USA pipeline that only has squeezed our tactical  and strategic weapon reserves down to dangerous levels. And leaving us weaker to worry about Russian missies over Kyiy?
Fuck that shit.
It is amazing how CPAC and much of the right has been bought and sod by Russia and is vomiting up Putin's talking points.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 03, 2022, 04:01:16 PM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?
In case you wondered where RedDickJimmEspn gets his marching orders:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cpac-tweet-ukraine-russia-b2190971.html

Although the American arm of the Russian propaganda machine had the common sense to delete the tweet and RedDickJimmEspn has, as yet, not.
And never will.
Putin and Zelensky  can duke it out all they want but not at the expense of a $100 billion+ USA pipeline that only has squeezed our tactical  and strategic weapon reserves down to dangerous levels. And leaving us weaker to worry about Russian missies over Kyiy?
Fuck that shit.
It is amazing how CPAC and much of the right has been bought and sod by Russia and is vomiting up Putin's talking points.
LOL
Why do you hate America so much?
ROFL!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 03, 2022, 04:02:45 PM
  And leaving us weaker to worry about Russian missies

Maria Sharapova could attack at any moment!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 03, 2022, 04:49:07 PM
  And leaving us weaker to worry about Russian missies
Might want to learn how to format.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 03, 2022, 05:14:05 PM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?
In case you wondered where RedDickJimmEspn gets his marching orders:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/cpac-tweet-ukraine-russia-b2190971.html

Although the American arm of the Russian propaganda machine had the common sense to delete the tweet and RedDickJimmEspn has, as yet, not.
And never will.
Putin and Zelensky  can duke it out all they want but not at the expense of a $100 billion+ USA pipeline that only has squeezed our tactical  and strategic weapon reserves down to dangerous levels. And leaving us weaker to worry about Russian missies over Kyiy?
Fuck that shit.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/03/secretary-austin-offers-an-unsettling-diagnosis-putin/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2022, 06:21:24 PM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 03, 2022, 06:39:54 PM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html

Jesus.  Who cares if Ukraine and Russia kill each other?
Why should we borrow more money so the Alzheimer ravaged Moron-In-Chief can fight a proxy war on behalf of nothing but his ego?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 03, 2022, 07:27:44 PM
Exhibit A.  Showing why reading only Right Wing talking points and back issues of The Journal of Nostril Crusts Extraction can chip away at cognitive function.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 03, 2022, 08:06:39 PM
Exhibit A.  Showing why reading only Right Wing talking points and back issues of The Journal of Nostril Crusts Extraction can chip away at cognitive function.
What right wing talking points?
Your argument in propping up an autocrat for no reason that benefits the USA makes no sense.
Other than we have to oppose Russia and Putin?
Why?
We have no interest in either.
Obviously you cannot really defend wasting  our money.
Or the endless stream of our money to perpetually keep Ukraine in the hands of a despot.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 03, 2022, 08:29:02 PM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html

Jesus.  Who cares if Ukraine and Russia kill each other?
Why should we borrow more money so the Alzheimer ravaged Moron-In-Chief can fight a proxy war on behalf of nothing but his ego?

Sirens going off in Japan a couple of hours ago...NKorea fired a ballistic missile *at* Japan.
Said missile went over Nth Japan and landed in the Pacific ocean.
 Looks like the love for NKorea VP Harris displayed in speech recently in the DMZ fell on deaf hearts and minds.
Now is the time for treating NKorea with "Ignore, Ignore...dance to the beat".

How's my COUSAN idea going?
Coalition Of US Aligned Nations.

China is threatening to invade Taiwan.
China's good buddy NKorea is back firing ballistic missiles around.
Russia has invaded Ukraine, blowing up apartment buildings and slaughtering the People, threatening to use nukes.

Time for all countries to decide if they are IN or OUT of COUSAN.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 03, 2022, 08:59:32 PM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html

Jesus.  Who cares if Ukraine and Russia kill each other?
Why should we borrow more money so the Alzheimer ravaged Moron-In-Chief can fight a proxy war on behalf of nothing but his ego?


Quiet for the seance as RedDickJimEspnWars channels the spirit of Neville Chamberlain...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 03, 2022, 09:10:54 PM
Exhibit A.  Showing why reading only Right Wing talking points and back issues of The Journal of Nostril Crusts Extraction can chip away at cognitive function.
What right wing talking points?
Your argument in propping up an autocrat for no reason that benefits the USA makes no sense.
Other than we have to oppose Russia and Putin?
Why?
We have no interest in either.
Obviously you cannot really defend wasting  our money.
Or the endless stream of our money to perpetually keep Ukraine in the hands of a despot.

 Zelensky asks Trump for an increase in military aid specifically, to purchase more Javelin anti-tank missiles, useful in Ukraines  ongoing conflict with Russian-backed separatists in its east.

Trump responds by saying, I would like you to do us a favor though.

The favor turns out to be about two investigations Trump would like Ukraine to conduct: one about a bizarre and unfounded theory about Ukrainian possession of a Democratic email server, the other about the Biden family
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 03, 2022, 09:13:21 PM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?

Red is the forum Lord Haw Haw
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 03, 2022, 09:20:03 PM


Hence my use of the word "possible," sparky.

DaSilva helped a lot of working people, far from abandoning them.  Hence his five point margin and even greater margin in pre election polling.
DaSilva is in a world of hurt even if he wins.
The Brazilian polling was so corrupt it completely missed ( maybe deliberately) the strength of the Bolsonaro Party in the Brazil House  and Senate races not to mention the governorships of Brazilian states.
To cope DaSilva will have to move rightward to get anything done.
 Or he can refuse and become a wimp like Joe Biden.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2022, 09:36:42 PM
When Red uses
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 03, 2022, 10:22:46 PM


Hence my use of the word "possible," sparky.

DaSilva helped a lot of working people, far from abandoning them.  Hence his five point margin and even greater margin in pre election polling.
DaSilva is in a world of hurt even if he wins.
The Brazilian polling was so corrupt it completely missed ( maybe deliberately) the strength of the Bolsonaro Party in the Brazil House  and Senate races not to mention the governorships of Brazilian states.
To cope DaSilva will have to move rightward to get anything done.
 Or he can refuse and become a wimp like Joe Biden.

If he does nothing but stop the destruction of the Amazon that would be a big fucking deal.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2022, 11:00:09 PM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html

Jesus.  Who cares if Ukraine and Russia kill each other?
Why should we borrow more money so the Alzheimer ravaged Moron-In-Chief can fight a proxy war on behalf of nothing but his ego?
Peace in our time, eh Neville?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 04, 2022, 12:05:29 AM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html

Jesus.  Who cares if Ukraine and Russia kill each other?
Why should we borrow more money so the Alzheimer ravaged Moron-In-Chief can fight a proxy war on behalf of nothing but his ego?
Peace in our time, eh Neville?
Huh?
There is no correlation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 04, 2022, 12:16:54 AM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html

Jesus.  Who cares if Ukraine and Russia kill each other?
Why should we borrow more money so the Alzheimer ravaged Moron-In-Chief can fight a proxy war on behalf of nothing but his ego?

Why not hunt fascists at home instead? They tend to gather at all types of republican cult meetings so they are pretty easy to find.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2022, 12:33:39 AM
CNN continues boosting Ukraine status

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-10-03-22#h_437069baeda2395df6c3aa109f511add

Meanwhile US paints a stronger Russia picture

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/politics/ukraine-russia-putin-nuclear-weapons-us/index.html

Jesus.  Who cares if Ukraine and Russia kill each other?
Why should we borrow more money so the Alzheimer ravaged Moron-In-Chief can fight a proxy war on behalf of nothing but his ego?
Peace in our time, eh Neville?
Huh?
There is no correlation.
Tell yourself whatever comforting lies you want, Neville.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 04, 2022, 09:57:28 AM
????
How many Billions we pouring into Ukraine to prop up an autocrat while ignoring the drugs and mayhem pouring  through our Southern Border?

Red is the forum Lord Haw Haw
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 04, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
Exhibit A.  Showing why reading only Right Wing talking points and back issues of The Journal of Nostril Crusts Extraction can chip away at cognitive function.
What right wing talking points?
Your argument in propping up an autocrat for no reason that benefits the USA makes no sense.
Other than we have to oppose Russia and Putin?
Why?
We have no interest in either.
Obviously you cannot really defend wasting  our money.
Or the endless stream of our money to perpetually keep Ukraine in the hands of a despot.

When you use a sharp instrument to get those nostril crusts embedded way up in there, you must remember not to push too far.  If the last seven months haven't clarified our interest in containing Russia and supporting a sovereign nation that has moved towards European style parliamentary democracy and also bolstering the security of NATO members (and member applicants) who border Russia, then you truly do live in a propaganda bubble.  And there's also the war crimes, violation of the Budapest Memorandum, theft of half a billion dollars of grain, and half a dozen other gross violations of international law that we and Europe have every interest in pushing back against. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 04, 2022, 11:15:04 AM
Exhibit A.  Showing why reading only Right Wing talking points and back issues of The Journal of Nostril Crusts Extraction can chip away at cognitive function.
What right wing talking points?
Your argument in propping up an autocrat for no reason that benefits the USA makes no sense.
Other than we have to oppose Russia and Putin?
Why?
We have no interest in either.
Obviously you cannot really defend wasting  our money.
Or the endless stream of our money to perpetually keep Ukraine in the hands of a despot.

When you use a sharp instrument to get those nostril crusts embedded way up in there, you must remember not to push too far.  If the last seven months haven't clarified our interest in containing Russia and supporting a sovereign nation that has moved towards European style parliamentary democracy and also bolstering the security of NATO members (and member applicants) who border Russia, then you truly do live in a propaganda bubble.  And there's also the war crimes, violation of the Budapest Memorandum, theft of half a billion dollars of grain, and half a dozen other gross violations of international law that we and Europe have every interest in pushing back against.
Nice cut and paste.
I swear you sound more and more like a macho right winger each day.
But you avoid the question.

What are we playing nuclear chicken over?  Not the country of Ukraine but the Donbas. The Donbas in eastern Ukraine where most of the people identify as ethnic Russians and want to be part of Russia.

So why are we sending billions of borrowed dollars there that poses only risks to us and weakens our defenses and harms our economy?
And we will not have a debate because the moment we point out this ego driven folly of Biden we are called traitors or Putin stooges.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 04, 2022, 12:34:16 PM
I don't cut and paste.  I write posts in my own words.  You seem to be projecting again.

NATO security helps our economy longterm, so the money spent towards standing up to a dictator who openly speaks of restoring a Russian Empire through brutal land grabs is well spent. 

Putin has tried to take far more than just Donbas. 

You ARE a Putin stooge.  You just haven't figured out who is pulling the strings of your Far Right influencers.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 04, 2022, 01:32:44 PM
I don't cut and paste.  I write posts in my own words.  You seem to be projecting again.

NATO security helps our economy longterm, so the money spent towards standing up to a dictator who openly speaks of restoring a Russian Empire through brutal land grabs is well spent. 
Which dictator you want to support?  Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons to Russia years ago. The reason you have nuclear weapons is so other nations do not push you around. Now Ukraine is paying a price.
But that is no reason we should spend a dime helping it since it has nothing but a downside for us.
We have a history of justifying wars by identifying tyrants as the main cause.  How are we better off by deposing Saddam, khadafi, or fighting Assad?  Why risk nuclear war by doing the same to Putin?
It is a question you keep ducking.
Quote


You ARE a Putin stooge. 
Told ya
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 04, 2022, 02:35:43 PM
Ward is fervently praying to his Putin bobble head for guidance in these difficult times.

It feels like true religion to him, so I expect it will be a hard vice to talk him out of.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2022, 03:12:05 PM
You know, I knew we could expect Russian propaganda to lodge in right wing web sites leading up to the election, but I never expected them to go full Munich.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2022, 03:34:47 PM
I don't cut and paste.  I write posts in my own words.  You seem to be projecting again.

NATO security helps our economy longterm, so the money spent towards standing up to a dictator who openly speaks of restoring a Russian Empire through brutal land grabs is well spent. 
Which dictator you want to support?
The same people who jizz their Jockeys at the name Obran have suddenly decided the democratically elected president of Ukraine is a dictator. This is of.course the Russia party line, which claimed that it was "denazifying" Ukraine.
Quote
Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons to Russia years ago.
Yes, with the assurance Russia would respect its territorial integrity. Psyche!
Quote
The reason you have nuclear weapons is so other nations do not push you around. Now Ukraine is paying a price.
Iran, not to mention Sadam Hussain from beyond the grave, says hello. It has been the wise policy of our country over multiple presidents from multiple parties to push for fewer nuclear states.
Quote
But that is no reason we should spend a dime helping it since it has nothing but a downside for us.
We have a history of justifying wars by identifying tyrants as the main cause.  How are we better off by deposing Saddam, khadafi, or fighting Assad?  Why risk nuclear war by doing the same to Putin?
It is a question you keep ducking.
Quote


You ARE a Putin stooge. 
Told ya
Regime change is different than defending a popularly elected legitimate government. I realize people like you know longer believe in democracy and believe like Putin that it is a weak and ineffective system.

Fighting in Ukraine, if for nothing else, keeps Russia from trying to bully, dominate or even swallow former Russian states like Moldova, or Finland, or the Baltic, which would present an even greater danger of direct US involvement in a war, even a nuclear war, with Russia. You should know that, Neville.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 04, 2022, 05:39:40 PM
I don't cut and paste.  I write posts in my own words.  You seem to be projecting again.

NATO security helps our economy longterm, so the money spent towards standing up to a dictator who openly speaks of restoring a Russian Empire through brutal land grabs is well spent. 
Which dictator you want to support?
The same people who jizz their Jockeys at the name Obran have suddenly decided the democratically elected president of Ukraine is a dictator. This is of.course the Russia party line, which claimed that it was "denazifying" Ukraine.
Quote
Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons to Russia years ago.
Yes, with the assurance Russia would respect its territorial integrity. Psyche!
Quote
The reason you have nuclear weapons is so other nations do not push you around. Now Ukraine is paying a price.
Iran, not to mention Sadam Hussain from beyond the grave, says hello. It has been the wise policy of our country over multiple presidents from multiple parties to push for fewer nuclear states.
Quote
But that is no reason we should spend a dime helping it since it has nothing but a downside for us.
We have a history of justifying wars by identifying tyrants as the main cause.  How are we better off by deposing Saddam, khadafi, or fighting Assad?  Why risk nuclear war by doing the same to Putin?
It is a question you keep ducking.
Quote


You ARE a Putin stooge. 
Told ya
Regime change is different than defending a popularly elected legitimate government. I realize people like you know longer believe in democracy and believe like Putin that it is a weak and ineffective system.

Fighting in Ukraine, if for nothing else, keeps Russia from trying to bully, dominate or even swallow former Russian states like Moldova, or Finland, or the Baltic, which would present an even greater danger of direct US involvement in a war, even a nuclear war, with Russia. You should know that, Neville.
Ah yes, of course, Hairy channels his inner LBJ along with his new found love of Dick Cheney. Are you now to be known as a NEO NEO CON?
Here is the problem. UKraine and Russian troops are killing each other over just parts of Ukraine.
Despite all your false equivalencies, historical distortions,and name calling you cannot or will not explain why  the US has to be involved, at all. Especially since a tyrant like Putin is capable of launching nukes  even if it is only to save face over his decrepit military. We have no business playing with nuclear fire over such a trivial issue as Ukrainian boundary lines.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 04, 2022, 05:49:32 PM
I don't cut and paste.  I write posts in my own words.  You seem to be projecting again.

NATO security helps our economy longterm, so the money spent towards standing up to a dictator who openly speaks of restoring a Russian Empire through brutal land grabs is well spent. 
Which dictator you want to support?
The same people who jizz their Jockeys at the name Obran have suddenly decided the democratically elected president of Ukraine is a dictator. This is of.course the Russia party line, which claimed that it was "denazifying" Ukraine.
Quote
Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons to Russia years ago.
Yes, with the assurance Russia would respect its territorial integrity. Psyche!
Quote
The reason you have nuclear weapons is so other nations do not push you around. Now Ukraine is paying a price.
Iran, not to mention Sadam Hussain from beyond the grave, says hello. It has been the wise policy of our country over multiple presidents from multiple parties to push for fewer nuclear states.
Quote
But that is no reason we should spend a dime helping it since it has nothing but a downside for us.
We have a history of justifying wars by identifying tyrants as the main cause.  How are we better off by deposing Saddam, khadafi, or fighting Assad?  Why risk nuclear war by doing the same to Putin?
It is a question you keep ducking.
Quote


You ARE a Putin stooge. 
Told ya
Regime change is different than defending a popularly elected legitimate government. I realize people like you know longer believe in democracy and believe like Putin that it is a weak and ineffective system.

Fighting in Ukraine, if for nothing else, keeps Russia from trying to bully, dominate or even swallow former Russian states like Moldova, or Finland, or the Baltic, which would present an even greater danger of direct US involvement in a war, even a nuclear war, with Russia. You should know that, Neville.
Ah yes, of course, Hairy channels his inner LBJ along with his new found love of Dick Cheney. Are you now to be known as a NEO NEO CON?
Here is the problem. UKraine and Russian troops are killing each other over just parts of Ukraine.
Despite all your false equivalencies, historical distortions,and name calling you cannot or will not explain why  the US has to be involved, at all. Especially since a tyrant like Putin is capable of launching nukes  even if it is only to save face over his decrepit military. We have no business playing with nuclear fire over such a trivial issue as Ukrainian boundary lines.

America First, huh?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 04, 2022, 06:03:34 PM
"trivial issue"

 Pretending the issue is only one border or one part of a country is classic logical fallacy.  Another straw man.  You should read Hair's last paragraph more carefully.  But I know you just pick out pieces of others posts you think you can throw poop at. 

While you keep repeating your leading question -why risk nuclear war?  Examine the premise, that we are raising chances of nuclear war by supporting Ukraine.   It's a shaky one, given the potential nightmare of letting Russia just march over the eastern bloc on one pretext or another of "rescue." What do you think NATO is for? 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 04, 2022, 06:20:31 PM


While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 
You seem pretty dense on this point.
Why risk nuclear destruction over a dispute that has nothing to do with US.?
Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2022, 06:34:37 PM


While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 
Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.
Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 04, 2022, 06:55:02 PM


While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 
Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.
Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.
Except, of course, he did not, he just changed the question.
Like you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 04, 2022, 08:10:23 PM
He fears that people IRL will realize what a prick and traitor he is and treat him accordingly.

This fear of Reds, unlike anything he posts here, is extremely well founded.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 04, 2022, 08:43:57 PM


While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 
Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.
Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.
Except, of course, he did not, he just changed the question.
Like you.
I see the concept of the term "rhetorical question" is beyond your ken.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 04, 2022, 09:04:43 PM


While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 
Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.
Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.
Except, of course, he did not, he just changed the question.
Like you.
I see the concept of the term "rhetorical question" is beyond your ken.
I see playing with nuclear destruction over a rhetorical question as being fucking stupid.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 04, 2022, 09:23:06 PM
I get a little turned on when Red uses profanity.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 04, 2022, 10:14:42 PM


While you keep repeating your leading question  why risk nuclear war? 
Your lack of an answer renders you incapable of a meaningful debate.
Except of course he answered it in the part of the post you omitted.
Except, of course, he did not, he just changed the question.
Like you.
I see the concept of the term "rhetorical question" is beyond your ken.
I see playing with nuclear destruction over a rhetorical question as being fucking stupid.

Only one threatening to throw nukes is the guy who in the process would irradiate his own country.

So Putin grabs his dick and throws up gang sign and Republicans are ready to give him everything he sought when he invaded... and before he got his ass kicked.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 05, 2022, 03:16:01 AM
Republicans like to lay back and spread it for any very awful man. They pine to be infected, discarded, and abused. It is the only way to explain their choice of candidates domestically and their choice of heroes in the murderers row of autocratic villains from other countries for whom they swoon and drop their panties.

It is almost certain this is a result of concurrent fatal flaws in the way republicans lie to each other and raise their children.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 05, 2022, 11:42:08 AM
Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


🤣
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 05, 2022, 11:50:59 AM
Russia needs front line kindling fodder, Ward. Your fifth column activity will no longer do. Your dog-king, Putin demands you stop your cringy bloviating and get your subservient self to Mariupol before the Russians lose that too.

If you have any suckass republican friends, Putin says you should bring them along as well.

I did not want to pass that along, but the coms are so bad on your side it was the only way the message would ever get through.

It does not occur to some people that what is happening to Ukraine is many times worse than any hurricane because those people have already destroyed their brains in service of a dead fascist future and the end of mankind.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 05, 2022, 12:38:24 PM

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 05, 2022, 12:46:19 PM
Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


🤣

Hurricane ravaged Florida residents should not have to beg for aid...the aid should be automatic.
Military aircraft flying the American flag should be arriving to take Florida residents affected to safety interstate, good food, good medical, good accomm in good tent cities erected immediately the hurricane struck.
My former no1 radio host championed a 'National Disaster Fund', into which govts would deposit funds on a regular basis so that when disaster struck there would be no delay in helping victims.
The politicians just ignored his idea.
They also ignored his 'Watering Australia' idea that would ensure there was enough water everywhere in case of drought.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 05, 2022, 01:15:12 PM

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu
Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 05, 2022, 02:06:59 PM
Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


🤣

Hurricane ravaged Florida residents should not have to beg for aid...the aid should be automatic.
They do not. Federal disaster relief aid has  even flowing there already, with more to come. Whatever allegedly satiric web site RedDickJimmEspn pulled that from is ignoring the facts. Notably in the 8mmediate.aftermath of Ian Congress authorized more aid and EVERY SINGLE REPUBILICAN FROM FLORIDA VOTED AGAINST IT.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 05, 2022, 03:18:08 PM
Sign of the Times.


Hurricane Ravaged Florida Town Raises Ukraine Flag So Congress Will Send Aid


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Hurricane ravaged Florida residents should not have to beg for aid...the aid should be automatic.
They do not. Federal disaster relief aid has  even flowing there already, with more to come. Whatever allegedly satiric web site RedDickJimmEspn pulled that from is ignoring the facts. Notably in the 8mmediate.aftermath of Ian Congress authorized more aid and EVERY SINGLE REPUBILICAN FROM FLORIDA VOTED AGAINST IT.
Nice distortion.
The bill passed was a stop gap funding bill for the entire Government which included IAN disaster  relief.
The Florida republicans asked for a separate funding bill TARGETED to relief from the hurricane.
I can see why you are confused.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 05, 2022, 03:38:49 PM

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu
Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

You seem confused. 

I read ApNews and NPR daily, and WaPo.  Guardian once/week.  The column was in WaPo.

Will is a conservative, making the same case for supporting Ukraine that I was yesterday.   Lime also covered those points, possibly more generous with his sardines than I was.   
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 05, 2022, 04:15:06 PM

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu
Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

You seem confused. 

I read ApNews and NPR daily, and WaPo.  Guardian once/week.  The column was in WaPo.

Will is a conservative, making the same case for supporting Ukraine that I was yesterday.   Lime also covered those points, possibly more generous with his sardines than I was.
So what? Neither you nor Hairy, nor Will make a case that interfering in a border fight is worth the billions of dollars we have borrowed  (with billions more to come) plus the added stress of discussing nuclear conflict.
It is not.  In fact it is stupid and dangerous
But seeing you citing George Will is worth the laugh.
I am sure you also agree with his blistering criticism of Biden on other matters in that article.
Yes?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 05, 2022, 05:04:38 PM

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu
Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

You seem confused. 

I read ApNews and NPR daily, and WaPo.  Guardian once/week.  The column was in WaPo.

Will is a conservative, making the same case for supporting Ukraine that I was yesterday.   Lime also covered those points, possibly more generous with his sardines than I was.
So what? Neither you nor Hairy, nor Will make a case that interfering in a border fight is worth the billions of dollars we have borrowed  (with billions more to come) plus the added stress of discussing nuclear conflict.
It is not.  In fact it is stupid and dangerous
But seeing you citing George Will is worth the laugh.
I am sure you also agree with his blistering criticism of Biden on other matters in that article.
Yes?

A little border fight?

We should not be involved because Putin, like others before him, only wants piece


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=64DCO2sI7fI
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 05, 2022, 07:06:09 PM
Red flacking Tucker Carlson talking points


https://www.thebulwark.com/fox-news-putin-propaganda-primetime/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 05, 2022, 09:37:00 PM
If Putin gets Ukraine there'll be no stopping him...he'll slowly march across Europe taking every country for Russia.
He'll start 'little border wars' and use the same tactics as in the invasion of Ukraine...and threaten to use nukes.
Putin is only one person, there are many in Russia wanting to rule Europe/the world, obviously.
Helping Ukraine too costly for the US?
Simple solution, make Europe pay more.
Trump had the right idea.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 05, 2022, 11:30:53 PM
If Putin gets Ukraine there'll be no stopping him...he'll slowly march across Europe taking every country for Russia.
He'll start 'little border wars' and use the same tactics as in the invasion of Ukraine...and threaten to use nukes.
Putin is only one person, there are many in Russia wanting to rule Europe/the world, obviously.
Helping Ukraine too costly for the US?
Simple solution, make Europe pay more.
Trump had the right idea.


Putin is getting his ass handed to him ny Ukraine.

His citizens are running for the tall timber to avoid being drafted into the Donbas meat grinder.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 06, 2022, 08:59:43 AM

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu
Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

You seem confused. 

I read ApNews and NPR daily, and WaPo.  Guardian once/week.  The column was in WaPo.

Will is a conservative, making the same case for supporting Ukraine that I was yesterday.   Lime also covered those points, possibly more generous with his sardines than I was.
So what? Neither you nor Hairy, nor Will make a case that interfering in a border fight is worth the billions of dollars we have borrowed  (with billions more to come) plus the added stress of discussing nuclear conflict.
It is not.  In fact it is stupid and dangerous
But seeing you citing George Will is worth the laugh.
I am sure you also agree with his blistering criticism of Biden on other matters in that article.
Yes?
Border fight? Good one Neville.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 06, 2022, 09:20:31 AM

George Will:

Furthermore, if Russian President Vladimir Putin s thinly veiled nuclear threats are seen to deter the Biden administration from taking the next step that military logic entails - sophisticated drones for Ukraine - there will be two terrible consequences: Putin will repeatedly make such threats, and the nuclear nonproliferation regime will unravel as other nations ruthless and reckless leaders see the practicality of nuclear weapons and build them...



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/05/ukraine-war-aid-us-drones-needed/

Me:  Putin uses his tactical nukes as weapons of intimidation (he knows that actual use as weapons would send radioactive dust into Russia as well as Ukraine).  The best way to defuse a weapon of intimidation...is to not be intimidated.  And, as signatories of NATO, and a nation seen as providing leadership in that organization, it is our duty not to be intimidated. 

Here's the PW-free screenshot of the George Will column....

https://archive.ph/gtrbu
Stepping up your reading past The Guardian is healthy for you.

You seem confused. 

I read ApNews and NPR daily, and WaPo.  Guardian once/week.  The column was in WaPo.

Will is a conservative, making the same case for supporting Ukraine that I was yesterday.   Lime also covered those points, possibly more generous with his sardines than I was.
So what? Neither you nor Hairy, nor Will make a case that interfering in a border fight is worth the billions of dollars we have borrowed  (with billions more to come) plus the added stress of discussing nuclear conflict.
It is not.  In fact it is stupid and dangerous
But seeing you citing George Will is worth the laugh.
I am sure you also agree with his blistering criticism of Biden on other matters in that article.
Yes?
Border fight? Good one Neville.
Yep.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 06, 2022, 10:42:30 AM
On my tv news tonite was shown Ukrainian army reclaiming Russian occupied part of Ukraine.
Russian troops shown surrendering...that's 10 years in prison for them when they get home...Putin's new law.
Shown was a building Russian troops took over...what pigs, they trashed the place and left a mortar behind in the mess.
Also shown was Aussie soldier "Ninja", black balaclava to hide his identity and the weather looked cold.. He said Ukraine was pleading for help so he decided to go.
Serious fire fights he said, he got some shrapnel to the head but he's OK now.
He's back fighting...hope he'll be OK, he seemed nice.
Aussies are banned from joining foreign groups to fight, and there are serious prison sentences for the offence.
"Ninja" said he  doesn't know if he's doing wrong legally fighting with Ukraine against Russia, but doesn't have any immediate plans to return home.
His trial would be interesting, the federal govt V "Ninja", he having gone to fight against evil Russia.
If he makes it home he should be given a medal and thanks, not tossed in prison.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2022, 11:23:20 AM
Putin is getting his ass handed to him ny Ukraine.


Not rooting, but here is some reality for you

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

BBC and accuracy.  Imagine that.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 06, 2022, 11:34:51 AM
Even Russian state tv is starting to report a grim situation for Russia.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-kherson-counteroffensive-ukraine-war-1749011

The Institute for the Study of War is also finding a similar situation.

https://understandingwar.org/project/ukraine-project

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 06, 2022, 11:56:48 AM
Even Russian state tv is starting to report a grim situation for Russia.

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-state-tv-kherson-counteroffensive-ukraine-war-1749011

The Institute for the Study of War is also finding a similar situation.

https://understandingwar.org/project/ukraine-project
Hurrah for Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 06, 2022, 01:09:38 PM
Putin is getting his ass handed to him ny Ukraine.


Not rooting, but here is some reality for you

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60506682

BBC and accuracy.  Imagine that.

Yep. Reality.

Russian forces have already been forced to retreat in Ukraine's north-east.
They are now being pushed back in the south as well.
Their latest setbacks came as President Vladimir Putin was due to sign into force decrees annexing four Ukrainian regions, while war was raging in all four.
The annexation has no legitimacy under international law and Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky has declared them null and void.



BBC and accuracy.  Imagine that.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63137061
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2022, 02:24:55 PM
Even General Grant retreated.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 06, 2022, 03:03:04 PM
Even General Grant retreated.

Yeah. Once. First battle he led in 1861 was a small skirmish where his forces overran a Confederate encampment bit ceded the ground when reinforcements arrived in superior numbers at the battle of Belmont. Battle was a push but generally accepted the Union won.

Lee supposedly said, Grant is not a retreating man.

How do you think he got the nickname Butcher?


Grant: Retreat? No, I propose to attack them at daylight and whip them

No amount of spin can turn this into what Montgomery would have called a strategic withdrawal.

Russian bear is getting smoked by the Ukrainian porcupine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 06, 2022, 04:12:10 PM
Reading through the past few days, I am reminded of what I was "missing."

I do appreciate the articles that I would not otherwise have seen. The nouns, verbs, and modifiers are nice, too.

Ward's of the "Russia won't invade Ukraine" camp, so it follows that he would describe this as only having to do with a single border issue.

He's already forgotten that Putin's forces tried to take Kyiv and denies that Putin could have motives beyond the border.

Sure, he's using his country's resources as a negotiating tool - which is exactly what he would do with food if he took over Ukraine's farms! Giving him more resources to use as weapons is not in the best interests of the United States. Nor is betting that he would stop with Eastern Ukraine, when he didn't with Crimea.

The other countries that border on Russia have no reason to trust Putin. If we stopped supporting Ukraine, they would have no reason to trust the US, either.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 06, 2022, 05:51:17 PM
Reading through the past few days, I am reminded of what I was "missing."

I do appreciate the articles that I would not otherwise have seen. The nouns, verbs, and modifiers are nice, too.

Ward's of the "Russia won't invade Ukraine" camp, so it follows that he would describe this as only having to do with a single border issue.

He's already forgotten that Putin's forces tried to take Kyiv and denies that Putin could have motives beyond the border.

Sure, he's using his country's resources as a negotiating tool - which is exactly what he would do with food if he took over Ukraine's farms! Giving him more resources to use as weapons is not in the best interests of the United States. Nor is betting that he would stop with Eastern Ukraine, when he didn't with Crimea.

The other countries that border on Russia have no reason to trust Putin. If we stopped supporting Ukraine, they would have no reason to trust the US, either.
You were more accurate when you were gone.
Everything in that post referring to me is wrong and disgustingly wrong.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 06, 2022, 06:20:20 PM
Says the guy with zero grasp of NATO, geopolitics, Putin's vision for empire, or war crimes.  Or what a border fight is.  Or the Budapest memorandum.  Or what happened to the world wheat supply for agonizing months. 

Or what Munich taught us. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 06, 2022, 07:27:04 PM
Says the guy with zero grasp of NATO, geopolitics, Putin's vision for empire, or war crimes.  Or what a border fight is.  Or the Budapest memorandum.  Or what happened to the world wheat supply for agonizing months. 

Or what Munich taught us.
Keep going. 
You only embarrass yourself.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 06, 2022, 09:32:24 PM
Thanks, Neville!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 06, 2022, 11:59:11 PM
Thanks, Neville!
More than Welcome.
You reference to the Budapest Memorandum was especially hilarious.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 07, 2022, 10:10:42 AM
Only to those who don't know what it is.  Or what the signatories agreed to, and how Russia violated the agreement.

How about the food insecurity across Africa and the ME this summer, thanks to Russia's attacks on Odessa and other Black Sea blockages?  Is that a real thigh-slapper for ya?

Or the mass murders of civilian populations?  Devastation of civilian housing?  Cluster munitions?  Torture, mutilation, rape?  Do you need adult diapers when this stuff gets you giggling?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 11:01:58 AM
Only to those who don't know what it is.  Or what the signatories agreed to, and how Russia violated the agreement.

How about the food insecurity across Africa and the ME this summer, thanks to Russia's attacks on Odessa and other Black Sea blockages?  Is that a real thigh-slapper for ya?

Or the mass murders of civilian populations?  Devastation of civilian housing?  Cluster munitions?  Torture, mutilation, rape?  Do you need adult diapers when this stuff gets you giggling?
Oooh. Putin be bad!
It is amusing to watch you transform into a NeoCon.
But you yet have not made a convincing argument for the USA pouring billions of dollars it does not have to take a side in a battle over territories by two dictators.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 07, 2022, 11:53:46 AM
If we were doing something like that, someone might make such an argument. Since it is only you felating yourself with your toothless mouth, just laughing at you is as usual more than a sufficient response.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2022, 01:01:22 PM
take a side in a battle over territories by two dictators.
Oooh, so that is what the Russian propaganda is saying now, Neville?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 07, 2022, 01:14:18 PM
Only to those who don't know what it is.  Or what the signatories agreed to, and how Russia violated the agreement.

How about the food insecurity across Africa and the ME this summer, thanks to Russia's attacks on Odessa and other Black Sea blockages?  Is that a real thigh-slapper for ya?

Or the mass murders of civilian populations?  Devastation of civilian housing?  Cluster munitions?  Torture, mutilation, rape?  Do you need adult diapers when this stuff gets you giggling?
Oooh. Putin be bad!
It is amusing to watch you transform into a NeoCon.
But you yet have not made a convincing argument for the USA pouring billions of dollars it does not have to take a side in a battle over territories by two dictators.

Nobody can ever make a convincing argument to you.

Doesn't matter what the facts are and as far as I can tell it never has mattered.

You have yet to make a convincing argument that Zelensky is a dictator.

You have yet to even try. You just claim he is, without evidence.

At least you admit Putin is one.



As previously stated, the simplest two reasons for taking Ukraine's side in this conflict are (a) keeping control of Ukraine's resources out of Putin's hands, since he has already shown a willingness to use his resources to try to control other countries' conduct and (b) if Putin is not stopped there, where will he be stopped?

Those won't change your mind. You probably won't even acknowledge them seriously.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 07, 2022, 01:29:30 PM
Only to those who don't know what it is.  Or what the signatories agreed to, and how Russia violated the agreement.

How about the food insecurity across Africa and the ME this summer, thanks to Russia's attacks on Odessa and other Black Sea blockages?  Is that a real thigh-slapper for ya?

Or the mass murders of civilian populations?  Devastation of civilian housing?  Cluster munitions?  Torture, mutilation, rape?  Do you need adult diapers when this stuff gets you giggling?
Oooh. Putin be bad!
It is amusing to watch you transform into a NeoCon.
But you yet have not made a convincing argument for the USA pouring billions of dollars it does not have to take a side in a battle over territories by two dictators.


You just mad because you hitched your cart to the wrong pony. You are nothing but a sad shill.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2022, 02:35:31 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 02:43:29 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2022, 03:46:59 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 04:12:33 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 07, 2022, 04:30:59 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.

Making your position clear is, shockingly enough, not the same as defending your position.

That's quite clear.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 05:17:13 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.

Making your position clear is, shockingly enough, not the same as defending your position.
Please explain the difference.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2022, 05:56:51 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Yes, you have made your position as a troll who never explains anything or admits error when confronted has been quite clear under your many guises. Adding Russian dupe is new but considering it all, predictable.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 07, 2022, 06:00:26 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.

Yeah. You back a war criminal who is barbaric and self delusional. You support a regime that does not care fo its own citizens by sending them to wage war on a sovereign nation based on hypocrisy and lies.

Do you get paid in rubles?

Shill.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 06:22:02 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Yes, you have made your position as a troll who never explains anything or admits error when confronted has been quite clear under your many guises. Adding Russian dupe is new but considering it all, predictable.
what have I not explained?
We have no business interfering in a border dispute between two dictators.
There is no threat to us.
Period.

 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 07, 2022, 06:39:51 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Yes, you have made your position as a troll who never explains anything or admits error when confronted has been quite clear under your many guises. Adding Russian dupe is new but considering it all, predictable.
what have I not explained?
We have no business interfering in a border dispute between two dictators.
There is no threat to us.
Period.

Putin is an authoritarian fascist dictator.

You are flacking for a mad man who INVADED a sovereign nation. Once his army started losing bigly on the battlefield he targeted civilians with a campaign of carpet bombing and indiscriminate murder.

This is not a border dispute it is a crime against humanity.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2022, 06:49:00 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Yes, you have made your position as a troll who never explains anything or admits error when confronted has been quite clear under your many guises. Adding Russian dupe is new but considering it all, predictable.
what have I not explained?
We have no business interfering in a border dispute between two dictators.
There is no threat to us.
Period.
LOL. Never change you useless troll.

No, I will play a little with you despite that. Here are two things you have not explained. "Two dictators" and "border dospute."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 06:55:02 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Yes, you have made your position as a troll who never explains anything or admits error when confronted has been quite clear under your many guises. Adding Russian dupe is new but considering it all, predictable.
what have I not explained?
We have no business interfering in a border dispute between two dictators.
There is no threat to us.
Period.
LOL. Never change you useless troll.

No, I will play a little with you despite that. Here are two things you have not explained. "Two dictators" and "border dospute."
Putin, Zelensky
Ukraine territories.
I guess I underestimated your ability to read, you know, the news.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 07, 2022, 06:57:21 PM
Jimdick,

You have not defended your absurd position that a large-scale invasion is a border dispute.  Putin is disputing Ukraine's right to exist.  Border disputes don't assault the national capital at the outset. 

You have also not defended your position that Zelenski is a dictator. 

As Carl Sagan liked to say, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 07:08:22 PM
Jimdick,
 

You have also not defended your position that Zelenski is a dictator. 
Only countless times.
The fact that you ignore them is why you have no credibility.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 07, 2022, 07:54:52 PM
Jimdick,
 

You have also not defended your position that Zelenski is a dictator. 
Only countless times.
The fact that you ignore them is why you have no credibility.

Just because you keep saying the same lies over and over does not make them real.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2022, 08:23:19 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Yes, you have made your position as a troll who never explains anything or admits error when confronted has been quite clear under your many guises. Adding Russian dupe is new but considering it all, predictable.
what have I not explained?
We have no business interfering in a border dispute between two dictators.
There is no threat to us.
Period.
LOL. Never change you useless troll.

No, I will play a little with you despite that. Here are two things you have not explained. "Two dictators" and "border dospute."
Putin, Zelensky
Ukraine territories.
I guess I underestimated your ability to read, you know, the news.
The difference between repetition and explanation is beyond you. Or you just do not care. Either way it is why you are not worth discussing anything with. Again, you are a worthless troll.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 07, 2022, 08:42:16 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.
Yes, you have made your position as a troll who never explains anything or admits error when confronted has been quite clear under your many guises. Adding Russian dupe is new but considering it all, predictable.
what have I not explained?
We have no business interfering in a border dispute between two dictators.
There is no threat to us.
Period.
LOL. Never change you useless troll.

No, I will play a little with you despite that. Here are two things you have not explained. "Two dictators" and "border dospute."
Putin, Zelensky
Ukraine territories.
I guess I underestimated your ability to read, you know, the news.
The difference between repetition and explanation is beyond you. Or you just do not care. Either way it is why you are not worth discussing anything with. Again, you are a worthless troll.
OK,
Bye
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 07, 2022, 11:38:03 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.

Making your position clear is, shockingly enough, not the same as defending your position.
Please explain the difference.

Sure.

Making a position clear:
"I believe that a pound of feathers is heavier than a pound of gold."
"What do you mean?"
"I mean that a pound of gold is lighter than a pound of feathers."
"Don't just repeat your position, explain it."
"I believe that a pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of gold."

It is VERY clear, Ward, that you believe that the pound of feathers weighs more. Nothing could be clearer. But there is no support for your argument, nothing for somebody else to examine and be convinced by or even to successfully challenge in your statements.

"I believe that a pound of feathers is heavier than a pound of gold."
"What do you mean?"
"Feathers are measured in avoirdupois pounds while gold is measured in troy pounds. While a troy ounce is heavier than an avoirdupois ounce, there are only 12 troy ounces in a troy pound, but 16 avoirdupois ounces in an avoirdupois pound.

"So, a pound of feathers weighs more, but an ounce of gold weighs more."

"Oh, I get it. Thank you for explaining.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 08, 2022, 11:48:01 AM
Happy 70th birthday Mr. Putin!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-ria-state-agency-reports-fuel-tank-fire-kerch-bridge-crimea-2022-10-08/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 08, 2022, 12:50:42 PM
The invasion of a sovereign country with internationally recognized border by a stronger, larger neighbor being a "battle over territories" looks the product of the same sort of mind that claims taking top secret government documents to you country club is a "storage issue".

Hahaha

Good one.

Thanks for playing..
Precisely the lack of a defense of your stupid statement I have come to expect from you.
On the contrary. I have made my position quite clear.
Repeatedly.

Making your position clear is, shockingly enough, not the same as defending your position.
Please explain the difference.

Sure.

Making a position clear:
"I believe that a pound of feathers is heavier than a pound of gold."
"What do you mean?"
"I mean that a pound of gold is lighter than a pound of feathers."
"Don't just repeat your position, explain it."
"I believe that a pound of feathers weighs more than a pound of gold."

It is VERY clear, Ward, that you believe that the pound of feathers weighs more. Nothing could be clearer. But there is no support for your argument, nothing for somebody else to examine and be convinced by or even to successfully challenge in your statements.

"I believe that a pound of feathers is heavier than a pound of gold."
"What do you mean?"
"Feathers are measured in avoirdupois pounds while gold is measured in troy pounds. While a troy ounce is heavier than an avoirdupois ounce, there are only 12 troy ounces in a troy pound, but 16 avoirdupois ounces in an avoirdupois pound.

"So, a pound of feathers weighs more, but an ounce of gold weighs more."

"Oh, I get it. Thank you for explaining.

Anyone who has watched Servant of the People would have severe difficulty picturing Zelenskii as a dictator.   

Dictators don't usually hanker to be the butt of jokes. 

And they usually run for cover when wars start.  Z did just the opposite. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 08, 2022, 12:58:47 PM
Happy 70th birthday Mr. Putin!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-ria-state-agency-reports-fuel-tank-fire-kerch-bridge-crimea-2022-10-08/

I posted some weeks ago that they ought to hit the Kerch Strait hard.  This is a good start, even if it only proved symbolic.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 08, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
Happy 70th birthday Mr. Putin!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-ria-state-agency-reports-fuel-tank-fire-kerch-bridge-crimea-2022-10-08/

I posted some weeks ago that they ought to hit the Kerch Strait hard.  This is a good start, even if it only proved symbolic.

Symbolism is important.
Demonstrates the occupier is vulnerable and it is a slap in Putins face to make a mess of his most prized accomplishment after his annexation of Crimea.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 08, 2022, 01:28:29 PM
Happy 70th birthday Mr. Putin!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-ria-state-agency-reports-fuel-tank-fire-kerch-bridge-crimea-2022-10-08/

Ah yes, guerilla warfare, it's how all who have ever invaded Afghanistan have been defeated.

Russia has appointed new military leaders to deal with Ukraine. Things are gonna get worse for Ukraine.
Ukraine needs to get down and dirty before it's too late.
...before Russia nukes them, as it will now surely do.
Ukraine needs to send prisoners serving life sentences into Russia as bombers, blow stuff up, as much as possible, "Dirty Dozen" style, that bridge bombing wasn't really successful.
Gotta cut off Russia's supply lines to its troops in Ukraine.
Ukraine should warn Russia that if it fires nukes at Ukraine all hell will break loose in Russia.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 08, 2022, 01:31:00 PM
Happy 70th birthday Mr. Putin!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-ria-state-agency-reports-fuel-tank-fire-kerch-bridge-crimea-2022-10-08/

Ah yes, guerilla warfare, it's how all who have ever invaded Afghanistan have been defeated.

Russia has appointed new military leaders to deal with Ukraine. Things are gonna get worse for Ukraine.
Ukraine needs to get down and dirty before it's too late.
...before Russia nukes them, as it will now surely do.
Ukraine needs to send prisoners serving life sentences into Russia as bombers, blow stuff up, as much as possible, "Dirty Dozen" style, that bridge bombing wasn't really successful.
Gotta cut off Russia's supply lines to its troops in Ukraine.
Ukraine should warn Russia that if it fires nukes at Ukraine all hell will break loose in Russia.


If you wanna get your ass kicked in war make bambu your main military strategist.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 08, 2022, 01:49:42 PM



Anyone who has watched Servant of the People would have severe difficulty picturing Zelenskii as a dictator.   

Dictators don't usually hanker to be the butt of jokes. 

And they usually run for cover when wars start.  Z did just the opposite.

But dictators like Zelensky do shut down all opposition media and ban opposition political parties. He boasts Russia would have to kill every single citizen of Kyiv to get to him. What a leader!
On the day he fired his Attorney General and CIA Director he found time to pose for a portrait spread for American fashion magazine Vogue. What a man!
And now, just in case Uncle Sugar may wake up to his real character he is cozying up to China for another pipeline for money. It is no secret that only about 30 per cent of our borrowed money ever makes it to the Ukrainian front lines Zelensky is so corrupt.

But maybe Uncle Sugar is waking up.

Thomas Friedman in the New York Times had a warning recently.

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, U.S. officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine's leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 08, 2022, 02:13:27 PM
Happy 70th birthday Mr. Putin!

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-ria-state-agency-reports-fuel-tank-fire-kerch-bridge-crimea-2022-10-08/

Ah yes, guerilla warfare, it's how all who have ever invaded Afghanistan have been defeated.

Russia has appointed new military leaders to deal with Ukraine. Things are gonna get worse for Ukraine.
Ukraine needs to get down and dirty before it's too late.
...before Russia nukes them, as it will now surely do.
Ukraine needs to send prisoners serving life sentences into Russia as bombers, blow stuff up, as much as possible, "Dirty Dozen" style, that bridge bombing wasn't really successful.
Gotta cut off Russia's supply lines to its troops in Ukraine.
Ukraine should warn Russia that if it fires nukes at Ukraine all hell will break loose in Russia.


If you wanna get your ass kicked in war make bambu your main military strategist.

bambu learnt his military strategies from Rambo 3 ( Mujahideen), Western movies, movies, docos, and modern China.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 08, 2022, 02:19:53 PM

We Are Close to Nuclear Armageddon

Probably.
It's what now-departed mommy dearest told a much younger bambu.
"Don't worry (about invasion horrors etc)...next war will be "one flash and you're ash".

Seems the "flashing and ashing" creeps ever closer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 08, 2022, 03:19:07 PM


We Are Close to Nuclear Armageddon
Warns President Who Keeps Fighting Proxy War
With Nuclear-Armed Country
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 08, 2022, 04:44:13 PM



Anyone who has watched Servant of the People would have severe difficulty picturing Zelenskii as a dictator.   

Dictators don't usually hanker to be the butt of jokes. 

And they usually run for cover when wars start.  Z did just the opposite.

But dictators like Zelensky do shut down all opposition media and ban opposition political parties. He boasts Russia would have to kill every single citizen of Kyiv to get to him. What a leader!
On the day he fired his Attorney General and CIA Director he found time to pose for a portrait spread for American fashion magazine Vogue. What a man!
And now, just in case Uncle Sugar may wake up to his real character he is cozying up to China for another pipeline for money. It is no secret that only about 30 per cent of our borrowed money ever makes it to the Ukrainian front lines Zelensky is so corrupt.

But maybe Uncle Sugar is waking up.

Thomas Friedman in the New York Times had a warning recently.

Dear reader: The Ukraine war is not over. And privately, U.S. officials are a lot more concerned about Ukraine's leadership than they are letting on. There is deep mistrust between the White House and Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky

Zelensky sounds like those other brutal dictators Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt
Your prose, however, sounds a lot like Mike Huckabee.

Thomas Friedman... is he still relevant?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 08, 2022, 05:01:00 PM
Zelensky.... brutal dictatorial tyrant!

heh


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/25/world/europe/ukraine-zelenksy-government.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 09, 2022, 02:31:03 AM
On Sky News just now;

Ukrainian military vehicles are getting bogged in muddy roads, fields.
Ukrainian homes are burning, Russian jets are bombing furiously...time to shoot down all Russian war planes...or Putin will win.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 09, 2022, 09:32:08 AM
https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-kyiv-travel-museums-7431f2190d917f44f76dff39b4d5df54?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=TopNews&utm_campaign=position_02

Ongoing pillage of Ukraine's identity. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 09, 2022, 12:00:08 PM
Where are all the missiles, tanks, big missiles, planes etc promised to Ukraine by Europe/West?
Why are there still Russian war planes in the sky over Ukraine?   still turning Ukraine into rubble.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 09, 2022, 12:51:50 PM
Where are all the missiles, tanks, big missiles, planes etc promised to Ukraine by Europe/West?
Why are there still Russian war planes in the sky over Ukraine?   still turning Ukraine into rubble.

Ukraine is kicking the shit out of Russia.

It was a strategic disaster and, in part because of Putins personal identification with the bridge, a symbolic disaster as well, in a war where symbols matter to the morale of a restive Russian population, on the one hand, and to Ukraines  Western supporters, for whom highly visible gains for Ukraine are important not only to keep the arms flowing but to persuade citizens that their sacrifices, like high energy prices, are bearing fruit.

Few recent gains were as visible Saturday as flames and collapsed roadways spread across Putins bridge.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/08/kerch-bridge-crimea-symbolism-putin/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 09, 2022, 01:24:19 PM


Ongoing pillage of Ukraine identity.
Spare us.
When the BidenAdministration (aka Skip of Fools) begins to stop its practice of incentivizing  illegal migration, eroding the security of our borders, and undermining efforts to build effective law enforcement and asylum processing mechanisms across Mexico and northern Central America, then we can worry about the culture of Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 09, 2022, 01:30:13 PM
Ivan Jakov, go home to your collective farm. You get more sickening every day hastening the moment when your whole fifth column goes to watering the tree of liberty.

You will bitch like so many whiny little bitches have done before, but we will laugh, make use of your hoarded moisture and replace you with a refugee that every true American finds to be an improvement in every imaginable way.

Russia needs dumb fucks in its imperialist trenches. Go find a home for yourself there.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 09, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/9/2127903/-Ukraine-Update-Tankies-hyperventilate-over-Kerch-bridge-strike (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/9/2127903/-Ukraine-Update-Tankies-hyperventilate-over-Kerch-bridge-strike)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 09, 2022, 03:09:04 PM


Ongoing pillage of Ukraine identity.
Spare us.
When the BidenAdministration (aka Skip of Fools) begins to stop its practice of incentivizing  illegal migration, eroding the security of our borders, and undermining efforts to build effective law enforcement and asylum processing mechanisms across Mexico and northern Central America, then we can worry about the culture of Ukraine.

Yapping about immigrants in order to scare your stupid constituents about a brown menace while blocking every attempt at reform is rank hypocrisy.

You motherfuckers are so fucked up even when your own party comes up with a good idea assholes like you cockblock all progress.

You guys can not even get out of your own way.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/republicans-introduce-immigration-bill-gop-divided-over-it
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 09, 2022, 06:07:15 PM


Ongoing pillage of Ukraine identity.
Spare us.
When the BidenAdministration (aka Skip of Fools) begins to stop its practice of incentivizing  illegal migration, eroding the security of our borders, and undermining efforts to build effective law enforcement and asylum processing mechanisms across Mexico and northern Central America, then we can worry about the culture of Ukraine.

Yapping about immigrants in order to scare your stupid constituents about a brown menace while blocking every attempt at reform is rank hypocrisy.

You motherfuckers are so fucked up even when your own party comes up with a good idea assholes like you cockblock all progress.

You guys can not even get out of your own way.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/republicans-introduce-immigration-bill-gop-divided-over-it

Just depends on whether or not one wants America to turn into Mexico, Juarez for example...and Central America and South America.
Rio sounds nice, but have you taken a good, long, hard look at the place?

Brown Menace?
Aren't Spanish people classed as White?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 09, 2022, 06:25:33 PM


Ongoing pillage of Ukraine identity.
Spare us.
When the BidenAdministration (aka Skip of Fools) begins to stop its practice of incentivizing  illegal migration, eroding the security of our borders, and undermining efforts to build effective law enforcement and asylum processing mechanisms across Mexico and northern Central America, then we can worry about the culture of Ukraine.

"Us"? "We"? 

Not really your place to tell people where to direct their sympathies. 

Go fuck yourself, Russian whore-ship.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 09, 2022, 07:54:19 PM


Ongoing pillage of Ukraine identity.
Spare us.
When the BidenAdministration (aka Skip of Fools) begins to stop its practice of incentivizing  illegal migration, eroding the security of our borders, and undermining efforts to build effective law enforcement and asylum processing mechanisms across Mexico and northern Central America, then we can worry about the culture of Ukraine.

Yapping about immigrants in order to scare your stupid constituents about a brown menace while blocking every attempt at reform is rank hypocrisy.

You motherfuckers are so fucked up even when your own party comes up with a good idea assholes like you cockblock all progress.

You guys can not even get out of your own way.

https://www.ncronline.org/news/people/republicans-introduce-immigration-bill-gop-divided-over-it

Just depends on whether or not one wants America to turn into Mexico, Juarez for example...and Central America and South America.
Rio sounds nice, but have you taken a good, long, hard look at the place?

Brown Menace?
Aren't Spanish people classed as White?

Spanish people are coming across the southern border?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 10, 2022, 03:25:10 AM
They speak Spanish.
They are HiSpanic
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 10, 2022, 03:33:37 AM
The bridge bombing was a flop.
Now missiles are raining down on Kyiv.
"They're trying to wipe us off the face of the earth" wrote one woman on social media.
Sure seems to be.

Time missiles started raining down on Moscow.
Ukraine must be supplied with the missiles.
If Ukrainians are wiped off the face of the earth, replaced by Russians, there's no hope for anyone else.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 10, 2022, 04:02:48 AM
Meanwhile...in bambuworld, 28 major military projects have been confirmed to be
 cumulatively 97 years behind schedule.

This was announced on my tv news today...and shown on the screen was a big parade iof military might in China, including goose-stepping troops.
The troops like robots...a reported 2 million of them, probably millions more as reserves.
Oh well, it's too late now.
Maybe chemical and biological weapons might work
They could be fired into China from Afghanistan, India, etc.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 10, 2022, 10:09:01 AM
Chem/bioweapons are banned under international law, and should remain so.  They kill, horribly, and indiscriminately, they are crimes against humanity.  Your colon seems to be backed up into your gray matter. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 10, 2022, 10:56:32 AM


We Are Close to Nuclear Armageddon
Warns President Who Keeps Fighting Proxy War
With Nuclear-Armed Country


(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/FerPFLDXkKEFrxq?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 10, 2022, 01:26:34 PM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 10, 2022, 01:45:50 PM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 10, 2022, 02:27:10 PM


Ongoing pillage of Ukraine identity.
Spare us.
When the BidenAdministration (aka Skip of Fools) begins to stop its practice of incentivizing  illegal migration, eroding the security of our borders, and undermining efforts to build effective law enforcement and asylum processing mechanisms across Mexico and northern Central America, then we can worry about the culture of Ukraine.

"Us"? "We"? 

Not really your place to tell people where to direct their sympathies. 

Go fuck yourself, Russian whore-ship.
May want to reread my post. You sound pretty ignorant
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 10, 2022, 02:37:59 PM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?

Trump tried to make reforms, seal the border with a wall, make asylum-seekers apply from another country etc...but the American people prefered soft Joe and co.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 10, 2022, 02:55:48 PM
Love it when Ward's formatting errors actually improve my post.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 10, 2022, 03:09:41 PM
Ward is just reminding us that wherever republicans have a hand in law making or administration, money flows to cartels.

A small moiety of reality leaked from his shit bubble.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 10, 2022, 03:13:31 PM
Chem/bioweapons are banned under international law, and should remain so.  They kill, horribly, and indiscriminately, they are crimes against humanity.  Your colon seems to be backed up into your gray matter.

Like Russian bombs/missiles.
Like Russian nukes soon to be dropped on Ukraine.
International law...baaah...it's a joke, Russia is running the UN.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 10, 2022, 05:33:04 PM
We have come a long way on the issue of Missile Defense, and we can see Nukes better now, and we have better ways of shooting down Nukes. We also can see the Nukes at Borders, etc, and at Ports, etc. ( And the same technology that we use to see Nukes might someday help us to cure cancer. )

We need to pound with the United Nations for peace, and plead with the good Russian people to rise up against Putin and rebel and create a new Russia with a new government. And the Pope can help, the Pope wants peace, and the Pope is the most powerful man in the world.

And as a last resort, you have to remember that Australia has Nukes now, we have given Australia stealth bombers and submarines that are armed with Nukes. Australia has Nukes now. Plus, we have Missile Defense. And we might cure cancer as a side benefit. ( We also invented Laser Eye Surgery while working on Missile Defense. )

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 10, 2022, 05:59:17 PM
The good Russian people who oppose Putin can organize, they can have a base in Acapulco, Mexico, and they can organize a Junta and overthrow Putin and change the political control of Russia.

And ask the people of the Philippines, they know how to do a Junta.

The good Russians can meet in Acapulco and they can organize and plan a Junta to take control of Russia away from Putin and to establish a new government in Russia.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 10, 2022, 06:01:11 PM
Nowhere have I seen that Australia now has nukes.
Supposed to be getting some nuke- powered subs that the US and Britain can fit with nukes if required....and U S was going to makes nukes here...but that's the last that's been heard about it.
..
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 10, 2022, 06:12:01 PM
Nowhere have I seen that Australia now has nukes.
Supposed to be getting some nuke- powered subs that the US and Britain can fit with nukes if required....and U S was going to makes nukes here...but that's the last that's been heard about it.
..


https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3088391/b-2-spirit-stealth-bombers-deploy-to-raaf-base-amberley-australia/

I follow China Lake and Edwards and NASA and others on Facebook, it is cool that they are all on there. I am sure the information is not secret. We sent 4 or 5 stealth bombers to Australia which are all nuclear capable, and we sent some submarines to Australia which can carry Nukes.

Australia has protection, and we are giving the weapons to Australia because we want for you to feel safe. If having Nukes makes you feel safe, then you can have Nukes. We want for you to feel safe.


Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 10, 2022, 06:16:02 PM
Bart wrote


Us"? "We"? 

Not really your place to tell people where to direct their sympathies. 

Go fuck yourself, Russian whore-ship.



Pretty hard to polish that horseshit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 10, 2022, 06:20:51 PM

And ask the people of the Philippines, they know how to do a Junta.


This is now possibly my favorite quote of all time.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 10, 2022, 06:22:08 PM
Bart wrote


Us"? "We"? 

Not really your place to tell people where to direct their sympathies. 

Go fuck yourself, Russian whore-ship.



Pretty hard to polish that horseshit.

Keep rubbing yourself, dickwad. Get shiny or die trying.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 10, 2022, 06:29:53 PM
Nowhere have I seen that Australia now has nukes.
Supposed to be getting some nuke- powered subs that the US and Britain can fit with nukes if required....and U S was going to makes nukes here...but that's the last that's been heard about it.
..


https://www.pacaf.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/3088391/b-2-spirit-stealth-bombers-deploy-to-raaf-base-amberley-australia/

I follow China Lake and Edwards and NASA and others on Facebook, it is cool that they are all on there. I am sure the information is not secret. We sent 4 or 5 stealth bombers to Australia which are all nuclear capable, and we sent some submarines to Australia which can carry Nukes.

Australia has protection, and we are giving the weapons to Australia because we want for you to feel safe. If having Nukes makes you feel safe, then you can have Nukes. We want for you to feel safe.


Salute,

Tony V.


Thans for that.
The more nukes Australia has the safer I'll feel.
Russia fired 80 missiles at Kyiv, half were intercepted...which means that dozens exploded.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 10, 2022, 06:38:08 PM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?

Trump tried to make reforms, seal the border with a wall, make asylum-seekers apply from another country etc...but the American people prefered soft Joe and co.

Trump tried to seal the border with a wall that wouldn't work.

He did not try to make reforms and the GOP has long stymied any efforts to reform the law because of the mileage they get out of the issue in campaigns. The Dems are slightly better, but not tons.

And the rest of what Trump did was disastrous, so yes, the American people preferred Joe.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 10, 2022, 06:39:14 PM
Putin's faux-outrage over the "terrorism" that hit his beloved bridge to Crimea would be laughable were it not for the tantrum he is throwing over it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 10, 2022, 07:24:34 PM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?

Trump tried to make reforms, seal the border with a wall, make asylum-seekers apply from another country etc...but the American people prefered soft Joe and co.
Neither a wall or forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico would have any appreciable impact on drug smuggling. And those two things are the primary differences between Biden and Trump on border security.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 10, 2022, 08:00:52 PM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?

Trump tried to make reforms, seal the border with a wall, make asylum-seekers apply from another country etc...but the American people prefered soft Joe and co.

Trump tried to seal the border with a wall that wouldn't work.

He did not try to make reforms and the GOP has long stymied any efforts to reform the law because of the mileage they get out of the issue in campaigns. The Dems are slightly better, but not tons.

And the rest of what Trump did was disastrous, so yes, the American people preferred Joe.
A look at comparisons from Homeland Security

Border Patrol agents apprehended 951,568 illegal immigrants during
Trump  s final 19 months in office. In President Biden s  first 19 months, Border Patrol encountered a staggering 3,588,877 illegals  up 377 per cent

In Fiscal Year 2020, the last fully under Trump control, 69,000 illegal migrants were detected on the border but got away into America.  interior. FY 2021 (four months of Trump, eight of Biden) witnessed 389,155 gotaways up 464 per cent . In FY 2022 (all Biden watch), gotaways hit 599,000  up 54 versus FY 2021 and 768 per centFY 2020. 

By the Government s own numbers JOsh you are a purveyor of misinformation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 10, 2022, 08:03:22 PM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?

Trump tried to make reforms, seal the border with a wall, make asylum-seekers apply from another country etc...but the American people prefered soft Joe and co.
Neither a wall or forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico would have any appreciable impact on drug smuggling. And those two things are the primary differences between Biden and Trump on border security.
Well, not so fast.
Biden rushed to send money to Arizona to finish the wall to buttress the failing campaign of Mark Kelly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 10, 2022, 09:02:16 PM
Putin's faux-outrage over the "terrorism" that hit his beloved bridge to Crimea would be laughable were it not for the tantrum he is throwing over it.

His tantrum I predict will have the same effect on Ukrainian resolve that the V2 had on Britain. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2022, 09:38:30 PM
How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?


We want the process to be tough

It should be tough

And the best and brightest (already through college attendance) surely join us.  As do the hard working and law abiding (this is captured through proper vetting)

Hard to argue with common sense.  But you guys do it every day.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 10, 2022, 09:55:12 PM
How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?


We want the process to be tough

It should be tough

And the best and brightest (already through college attendance) surely join us.  As do the hard working and law abiding (this is captured through proper vetting)

Hard to argue with common sense.  But you guys do it every day.

What is tough is where these folks are running from.

Common sense would reform the system to process refugees and asylum seekers and distribute them across the nation so communities can absorb them.

Common sense can be exercised with compassion and without the demonization.

You guys want everyone to hurt.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 10, 2022, 10:03:04 PM
I know this is the wrong forum but to follow up on the last exchange, the Republicans want everyone to hurt.

https://floridapolitics.com/archives/562494-marco-rubios-co-sponsoring-legislation-to-roll-back-prescription-drug-price-controls/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 10, 2022, 10:04:17 PM
Meanwhile Putins military writing checks with missile strikes the army cannot cash on the ground.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2022, 10:25:44 PM
What is tough is where these folks are running from.


Cant disagree
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 10, 2022, 10:37:05 PM
How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?


We want the process to be tough

It should be tough

And the best and brightest (already through college attendance) surely join us.  As do the hard working and law abiding (this is captured through proper vetting)

Hard to argue with common sense.  But you guys do it every day.

I will grant you all that as soon as everyone who has ever voted Republican since 1970, and therefore voted for treason, takes the standard citizenship test to remain eligible to vote or if they do not want to test forever forfeit that right.

The quality of the populace is important. We do not want to drown in the soft bigotry of low expectations. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 11, 2022, 11:00:11 AM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?

Trump tried to make reforms, seal the border with a wall, make asylum-seekers apply from another country etc...but the American people prefered soft Joe and co.
Neither a wall or forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico would have any appreciable impact on drug smuggling. And those two things are the primary differences between Biden and Trump on border security.
Well, not so fast.
Biden rushed to send money to Arizona to finish the wall to buttress the failing campaign of Mark Kelly.
So, you have nothing to dispute my statement. Good.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 11, 2022, 11:18:24 AM
News Item



The US Department of Homeland Security reports that the Mexican cartels income from smuggling illegal migrants into America has soared from $500 million in 2018 to $13 billion this year , a increase of 2500 per cent.


Joe yawns and calls for another check to Ukraine.

How about removing the road blocks so folks can get here and be processed without risking life, limb and trafficking?

How about the GOP stop using immigration as a scare tactic and help make some viable reforms to the process?

Trump tried to make reforms, seal the border with a wall, make asylum-seekers apply from another country etc...but the American people prefered soft Joe and co.
Neither a wall or forcing asylum seekers to wait in Mexico would have any appreciable impact on drug smuggling. And those two things are the primary differences between Biden and Trump on border security.
Well, not so fast.
Biden rushed to send money to Arizona to finish the wall to buttress the failing campaign of Mark Kelly.
So, you have nothing to dispute my statement. Good.
LOL
Only if you ignore it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 11, 2022, 11:23:42 AM
When many topics of illegality come up here, i am reminded of Michael Kinsley's maxim:

The real scandal is often not what's illegal but what IS legal. 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 11, 2022, 11:33:21 AM
During the Civil War the immigrants would be made legal citizens, and then they would have to fight for their new country, as was shown in "The Gangs of New York" as the Irish arrived in New York at the time of the Civil War.

So, we need to make the immigrants legal and then put them to work on the main issues of our day. Right now we have homelessness, so we can put the people to work building housing, the new citizens can all join the labor unions, and they can work with Habitat For Humanity, and we can build nice high density apartments like in Santorini, Greece. With swimming pools and tennis courts. And we can get the new citizens to lay cobblestone streets, and they can build fountains, etc, and they can plant trees and they can work in the forests to prevent forest fires, etc. And the new citizens can help to grow food, and they can join the United Farm Workers, etc.

We need to make our immigrants legal like Reagan did so that they can join unions and build housing, and they can help to grow food, and so that they can call the police in the case of an emergency, etc.

And we need new laws to make our neighbors legal easier, we need to have a "Good Neighbor Policy" with Canada and with Mexico, etc. We also need to invest in ports in Mexico, and we can allow the Mexican truckers to bring goods into the USA. We can ship goods from the ports in Mexico to the poor people of Kentucky, etc.

And we can sell wine and orange juice to the Chinese, etc, and to India.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 11, 2022, 12:09:39 PM
So, Russia, who runs the UN and just does as it likes in the UN and world today, is allowed to invade Ukraine, and now carpet-missile Ukraine ...wiping it and all its people off the face of the earth...threatening to use nuclear weapons if anyone bombs or missiles Russian soil.
Sits in the UN and basically laughs at the world.

Now, the people of Ukraine are going to all be slaughtered...cities in Ukraine slowly turned into missile craters, all human life extinguished.

The new guy Putin has put in charge to effect this slaughter is ...
Russia appoints notorious war criminal as head  of armed forces in Ukraine
General Sergei Surovikin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 11, 2022, 12:58:18 PM
On the issue of the immigrants in the USA, we need to use them for our benefit, we need to make them legal and then we need to put them to work. I had a maid from El Salvador who worked as a butcher in El Salvador, she knew how to butcher cattle, etc. Our immigrants have a variety of skills, and they can all plant orange trees and they can all pick oranges, and some can help to build housing, etc. And we have great schools, we can educate our immigrants, we have great doctors here from the Philippines, etc. The women from the Ukraine can be nurses here, etc. Our immigrants are part of our strength, and being a sanctuary nation makes us strong.

We need to make our immigrants legal, like Reagan did, and we need to change our laws to make it easier for our neighbors to get legal, and we need to put all of the new citizens to work. We can build high speed trains, we can build housing, we can do amazing landscaping, we can grow food, etc. We can do work to prevent forest fires, etc. We can also expand exports, as we also make sure the poor people of Kentucky have food and supplies on the shelves of their stores, so we can invest in the ports in Mexico and we can do more importing and exporting.

We need to make people legal, and we need to put them to work. And if they are smart enough to become doctors then we need to train them to be doctors.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 11, 2022, 11:12:14 PM
Best post in recent memory.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 12, 2022, 01:57:51 AM
And what about all the jobs illegal immigrants...that's people who have entered the country illegally, or entered the country legally but overstayed their visas...take from Americans?
A country without "closed/sealed" borders ...is a country without border integrity.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 12, 2022, 12:29:54 PM
That is the type of lie a conservative tells when he is trying to get his hand into your pocket.

It works on racist morons and no one else.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 12, 2022, 02:02:08 PM
And what about all the jobs illegal immigrants...that's people who have entered the country illegally, or entered the country legally but overstayed their visas...take from Americans?
A country without "closed/sealed" borders ...is a country without border integrity.

It was proven as the immigrants came from Cuba to Florida that the immigrants create jobs as they arrive, given the right environment the immigrants will become customers, and workers, and business owners, and the economy will grow as the new immigrants arrive.

And it is important to make our immigrants legal so that they can join unions, unions help to make sure that people are paid fair and that people are treated well. And of course labor laws and minimum wage rules, and prevailing wages on government jobs, etc, and all of that helps.

The economy in Florida grew as the Cubans arrived, and Florida is a rich and beautiful state. The same thing can happen with the rest of the USA if we make our immigrants legal and make them honest workers and honest customers and honest business owners, etc. ( The same as when Reagan made our immigrants legal. )

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 12, 2022, 04:20:30 PM
Can you kids please take this to Biden Administration or News in general.

Lets keep this space on the topic of beating the rashist imperialist fucks and the whore western traitors who try to provide them with cover.

Thanks
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 12, 2022, 04:36:40 PM
That is the type of lie a conservative tells when he is trying to get his hand into your pocket.

It works on racist morons and no one else.

Sheriff Joe's raids, and interviews with American citizens who said they would like the then-vacant jobs, proves my point.

Legal is legal ... illegal is illegal.

Cheap illegal labour is foolish to embrace...as is legal labour at below the legislated rate.
They both undermine the country's labour system.

Where did the middle class go?
Disappeared down the drain of cheap labour.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 12, 2022, 05:10:44 PM
Can you kids please take this to Biden Administration or News in general.

Lets keep this space on the topic of beating the rashist imperialist fucks and the whore western traitors who try to provide them with cover.

Thanks

One of the consequences of Putin's attack on Ukraine and as sanctions hurt Russia is that the USA is going to gain a lot of immigrants from Ukraine and from Russia, they are going to be mixed in with the homeless and with the immigrants from Mexico and from other places. Within the next couple of years the USA is going to gain millions of new immigrants from Ukraine and from Russia. So, the plight of refugees and discussion of our immigration system fits in well on all three threads, News in General, Biden, and the War in the Ukraine, all three include the issue of refugees from Ukraine and Russia who will be arriving in the USA.

And my advice is to help everyone at once, help the refugees and the homeless and the immigrants and whoever needs help all at once. They can live in the same apartment complexes, they can go to the same doctors, their children can attend the same schools, etc. We need to teach the immigrants that all people are created equal and we need to help all people equally and at the same time.

And we need to make all of our immigrants legal like Reagan did so that we can help everyone at once. And we need to fix our laws to make it easier for our immigrants to become legal, especially our good neighbors.

Salute,

Tony V.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 12, 2022, 05:56:58 PM
That is the type of lie a conservative tells when he is trying to get his hand into your pocket.

It works on racist morons and no one else.

Sheriff Joe's raids, and interviews with American citizens who said they would like the then-vacant jobs, proves my point.

Legal is legal ... illegal is illegal.

Cheap illegal labour is foolish to embrace...as is legal labour at below the legislated rate.
They both undermine the country's labour system.

Where did the middle class go?
Disappeared down the drain of cheap labour.
Sherrif Joe was a fucking despicable disgrace who did nothing of real impact on immigration except raid the occasion Pei Wei for the cameras. And a sensitive immigration policy that allowed for economic migrants to work legally undwr US labor laws would resolve the issues about cheap labor. It is their undocumented status that allows employers to under pay them.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 12, 2022, 07:06:42 PM
Does not work for Bambu. All he has left are bad genes. If that does not get him to the front of the line nothing will, so that is the hill he wants to die on.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 12, 2022, 09:12:34 PM
Americans want their cheap food. 

Think on that when you wonder if wages and hours for agri labor will ever draw native born workers.  Our food industry is built on exploitation and factory farm hellholes.  Big Ag will go to robots before they ever sit down with a union or sign on to a humane bracero program. 

Look at garbage trucks the last ten years.  Used to be three guys, a driver, and two picker uppers slinging the trash bins.  Now it's one guy with a robot arm on the side of the truck that picks up the bins.  And you can no longer leave additional objects by the bin. If it doesn't fit in the bin, you have to take it to the dump yourself. 

We need to help reform governance and economies and land use in central America, if we're really serious about helping the refugees of today.  (I can move this to General News)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 13, 2022, 12:06:05 AM
Americans want their cheap food. 
Well Biden is working overtime to deny all of us cheap food.
Quote
Think on that when you wonder if wages and hours for agri labor will ever draw native born workers.  Our food industry is built on exploitation and factory farm hellholes. 
So millions of immigrants are flocking to America to work in Hellholes.?
Quote
Big Ag will go to robots before they ever sit down with a union or sign on to a humane bracero program. 
Of course.  The food industry is very competitive. There is no problem giving jobs to legal immigrants or robots. Feeding Americans is a big industry and keeping prices low is what we all expect.  Well, except for you.

Quote
Look at garbage trucks the last ten years.  Used to be three guys, a driver, and two picker uppers slinging the trash bins. 
Now it's one guy with a robot arm on the side of the truck that picks up the bins.  And you can no longer leave additional objects by the bin. If it doesn't fit in the bin, you have to take it to the dump yourself. 
And the efficiency is way better and the cost to the taxpayer less.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 13, 2022, 12:17:36 AM
Americans want their cheap food. 

Think on that when you wonder if wages and hours for agri labor will ever draw native born workers.  Our food industry is built on exploitation and factory farm hellholes.  Big Ag will go to robots before they ever sit down with a union or sign on to a humane bracero program. 

Look at garbage trucks the last ten years.  Used to be three guys, a driver, and two picker uppers slinging the trash bins.  Now it's one guy with a robot arm on the side of the truck that picks up the bins.  And you can no longer leave additional objects by the bin. If it doesn't fit in the bin, you have to take it to the dump yourself. 

We need to help reform governance and economies and land use in central America, if we're really serious about helping the refugees of today.  (I can move this to General News)

Exploitation and factory farm hellholes...in the land of the free and the home of the brave?
Surely not.
In bambuland there is a guest worker program for required rural labour.
Also WOOFers..."backpackers" on special 12 month work visas.
Workers On Organic Farms...WOOF.
Farmer provides the WOOFers with accommodation and meals in return for their labour...or something like that.
Most of the guest workers seem to come from South Pacfic countries.
...some from Asian countries.
The "WOOF" backpackers mostly from Britain, Ireland, and Europe.

Immigration Dept raids farms checking for illegals (visa overstayers), people on holiday visas working illegally, and deports them.
Well, they knock on the farm door politely.
And, check cab drivers etc to make sure they have the right to work in Australia.
Can't just walk in over the border.
All shown on tv program Border Security.

Multinational mrs bambu worked for was found to have a person working for them  illegally.
Big drama.
Every employee then had to produce birth certificate, marriage certificate,
certificate of citizenship, passport...whatever was applicable......to establish their right to work in Australia.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 13, 2022, 08:40:20 AM
There is no problem giving jobs to legal immigrants or robots. Feeding Americans is a big industry and keeping prices low is what we all expect. 
Oh look! RedDickJimmEspn supports illegal immigration!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 13, 2022, 06:02:05 PM
I would hate to think that my cheap food was coming at the expense of people being totured in hell holes in my country.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 13, 2022, 06:20:49 PM
I would hate to think that my cheap food was coming at the expense of people being totured in hell holes in my country.

When my family came to California to pick fruit during the Great Depression then they were grateful for the work and to be able to earn money to survive. They were happy to be able to pick fruit. ( Watch the movie "The Grapes of Wrath" about the Great Depression in California. )

Now the farm workers have the United Farm Workers Union, and the workers in Napa, etc, are living like kings, if you can live in Napa and work on a vineyard then you will be treated great. And also the workers for Sunkist live great lives. All of our wine is produced by UNION workers. Our farm workers in California have the UFW and the farm workers are treated like part of the community.

I picked strawberries with my family as a child, and we had fun, we had music playing and we all got out and picked strawberries, back then they let the whole families work in the fields in Oregon. It is not bad to get out there and pick fruit. These people who are coming from other countries are grateful to come to California and live in a garden like Merced, and Napa, and make wine and make cheese, etc. California is beautiful and our farm workers are in the United Farm Workers union and they are paid fair and they are treated well.

And we need for the farm workers to have libraries, and schools for the children, and also schools to teach the adults how to speak English, etc.

And now we are going to have people from Ukraine and Russia here picking grapes with the Mexicans, etc.

We also need people to do construction work to build housing, and we have Habitat For Humanity, etc. We need to build nice housing, with swimming pools and tennis courts, we can build nice places. And people can work growing food and making cheese, and making mustard, etc.

Also, San Francisco needs pork, they are having a pork shortage. Farmers can raise food to help to feed San Francisco, etc. And people can raise cattle in Nevada, etc. The refugees can run the butcher shops. People would love to be able to get cheaper hamburger.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 15, 2022, 09:46:11 AM
Can you kids please take this to Biden Administration or News in general.

Lets keep this space on the topic of beating the rashist imperialist fucks and the whore western traitors who try to provide them with cover.

Thanks

One of the consequences of Putin's attack on Ukraine and as sanctions hurt Russia is that the USA is going to gain a lot of immigrants from Ukraine and from Russia, they are going to be mixed in with the homeless and with the immigrants from Mexico and from other places. Within the next couple of years the USA is going to gain millions of new immigrants from Ukraine and from Russia. So, the plight of refugees and discussion of our immigration system fits in well on all three threads, News in General, Biden, and the War in the Ukraine, all three include the issue of refugees from Ukraine and Russia who will be arriving in the USA.

And my advice is to help everyone at once, help the refugees and the homeless and the immigrants and whoever needs help all at once. They can live in the same apartment complexes, they can go to the same doctors, their children can attend the same schools, etc. We need to teach the immigrants that all people are created equal and we need to help all people equally and at the same time.

And we need to make all of our immigrants legal like Reagan did so that we can help everyone at once. And we need to fix our laws to make it easier for our immigrants to become legal, especially our good neighbors.

Salute,

Tony V.


I don't come to these forums often. I mainly stick to the sports forum. But when I do come over and see great posts like this I know this place is in good hands.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 16, 2022, 12:40:27 PM
And when you do come, it's to say something sarcastic, then leave?

These forums need constructive, thoughtful posts, backed with citations from reputable news sources, and an intellectually honest attempt at making sense of what's going on or why it doesn't make sense. 

Especially this thread, which strayed way offtopic with an issue that belongs over in the Biden admin thread.  Any thoughts on Ukraine?  Will Russia's military recover from its present disarray and supply issues?  Can Ukraine actually take back annexed land if the US and NATO continue to provide high-tech munitions?  Are Putin's veiled threats of tac nuke usage ones he would actually make good on, or just more intimidation?   Any chance Putin might be removed from office, or even get the Beria Special?  Plenty to discuss, and maybe enlarge our understanding.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 16, 2022, 08:08:26 PM
And when you do come, it's to say something sarcastic, then leave?

These forums need constructive, thoughtful posts, backed with citations from reputable news sources, and an intellectually honest attempt at making sense of what's going on or why it doesn't make sense. 

Especially this thread, which strayed way offtopic with an issue that belongs over in the Biden admin thread.  Any thoughts on Ukraine?  Will Russia's military recover from its present disarray and supply issues?  Can Ukraine actually take back annexed land if the US and NATO continue to provide high-tech munitions?  Are Putin's veiled threats of tac nuke usage ones he would actually make good on, or just more intimidation?   Any chance Putin might be removed from office, or even get the Beria Special?  Plenty to discuss, and maybe enlarge our understanding.
You missed the essential discussion points.
Why is the USA poring billions of borrowed money down a Ukrainian money pit that means nothing to us.?
And in doing so ratchets up nuclear Armageddon talk with a Russian madman.
Whereas the impotent Biden team embarrassingly ignores OUR  southern border  leaking millions of immigrants we cannot handle who also thrust criminals and fentanyl into our society destroying American lives. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 16, 2022, 09:15:29 PM
And when you do come, it's to say something sarcastic, then leave?

These forums need constructive, thoughtful posts, backed with citations from reputable news sources, and an intellectually honest attempt at making sense of what's going on or why it doesn't make sense. 

Especially this thread, which strayed way offtopic with an issue that belongs over in the Biden admin thread.  Any thoughts on Ukraine?  Will Russia's military recover from its present disarray and supply issues?  Can Ukraine actually take back annexed land if the US and NATO continue to provide high-tech munitions?  Are Putin's veiled threats of tac nuke usage ones he would actually make good on, or just more intimidation?   Any chance Putin might be removed from office, or even get the Beria Special?  Plenty to discuss, and maybe enlarge our understanding.
You missed the essential discussion points.
Why is the USA poring billions of borrowed money down a Ukrainian money pit that means nothing to us.?
And in doing so ratchets up nuclear Armageddon talk with a Russian madman.
Whereas the impotent Biden team embarrassingly ignores OUR  southern border  leaking millions of immigrants we cannot handle who also thrust criminals and fentanyl into our society destroying American lives.

Hey, Lindbergh!

Take that America First propaganda and shove it...
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 17, 2022, 07:01:49 PM
Yo!
Ukraine is shelling Russia from where Russia is launching its attacks on Ukraine.
Should also be blowing up things in Moscow.

Can't just sit back in Ukraine and let Russia turn you into rubble without serious reply.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 17, 2022, 07:58:25 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/17/energy/renewable-energy-eu-climate-intl/index.html

24% of Europe's energy has been from renewables recently.

It's not yet enough, but it is making a substantial difference.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 19, 2022, 11:29:25 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-air-force-jets-intercept-2-russian-bombers-flying-close-alaska-rcna52781

The proposal from the Duma member for an Alaskan referendum is pretty funny. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 19, 2022, 04:13:11 PM
Significant development


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria-israel-ukraine.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: josh on October 19, 2022, 06:11:02 PM
Significant development


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria-israel-ukraine.html

https://archive.ph/1wWoy

I do wonder what Israel will do, but also whether this will actually make a difference for the Russian forces in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 19, 2022, 06:29:43 PM
Significant development


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/19/world/middleeast/russia-syria-israel-ukraine.html

https://archive.ph/1wWoy

I do wonder what Israel will do, but also whether this will actually make a difference for the Russian forces in Ukraine.

It reduces Russian influence in ME an indication of how the war in Ukraine is draining resources from the Army.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 20, 2022, 05:07:05 PM
Russians


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/20/world/europe/ukraine-civilans-russia-occupation.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on October 21, 2022, 06:07:40 PM

Interesting findings from Pew Research this week.

The share of Americans who are extremely or very concerned about a Ukrainian defeat FELL  from 55% to 38%.
Among Republicans and Republican leaning independents, 32% say the US is providing too much support for the war up from 9% in March.

And The list of high-profile media and policy figures who are starting to question the wisdom of the US strategy in the conflict grows longer every day.

The Washington Post asks
Why is the US administration continuing to pour tens of billions into a war that is ravaging Ukraine and causing thousands of deaths (and triggering massive collateral damage globally) when privately US officials say neither Russia nor Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright?
If so, why is the US prolonging the bloodshed and destruction, pledging to support Ukraine for as long as it takes rather than working towards a diplomatic solution that, barring nuclear war, is the only possible outcome anyway? The madness of this policy has become even more apparent in recent weeks, as fighting on both sides has continued to dangerously escalate  with Biden himself warning of the very real possibility of a nuclear Armageddon.

The answer,of course, is Joe Biden needs a counter point to his neglect of OUR southern border mess (among his many policy blunders)so he favors  a stupid defense of a meaningless border war that will only cost billions of borrowed American  money and leave all of us poorer.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 21, 2022, 06:24:43 PM
Dick Wart Jimmy is still listening to Father Conklin on the wireless. He still has hope for a thousand year reich reaching these shores in his lifetime.

The patriotic thing to do is to ruin that sad fuck as an example to everyone else deciding whether or not to sell their country for the fake image of a good white strongman. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 21, 2022, 07:19:58 PM

Interesting findings from Pew Research this week.

The share of Americans who are extremely or very concerned about a Ukrainian defeat FELL  from 55% to 38%.
Among Republicans and Republican leaning independents, 32% say the US is providing too much support for the war up from 9% in March.

And The list of high-profile media and policy figures who are starting to question the wisdom of the US strategy in the conflict grows longer every day.

The Washington Post asks
Why is the US administration continuing to pour tens of billions into a war that is ravaging Ukraine and causing thousands of deaths (and triggering massive collateral damage globally) when privately US officials say neither Russia nor Ukraine is capable of winning the war outright?
If so, why is the US prolonging the bloodshed and destruction, pledging to support Ukraine for as long as it takes rather than working towards a diplomatic solution that, barring nuclear war, is the only possible outcome anyway? The madness of this policy has become even more apparent in recent weeks, as fighting on both sides has continued to dangerously escalate  with Biden himself warning of the very real possibility of a nuclear Armageddon.

The answer,of course, is Joe Biden needs a counter point to his neglect of OUR southern border mess (among his many policy blunders)so he favors  a stupid defense of a meaningless border war that will only cost billions of borrowed American  money and leave all of us poorer.

(https://media.tenor.com/z1VseldmTaQAAAAC/so-what-big-deal.gif)

Who wrote it?

BTW

It is not 1940.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 22, 2022, 04:47:45 PM
 https://youtu.be/CNKTLEW78lk (https://youtu.be/CNKTLEW78lk)

Russian propaganda, neatly broken down
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 22, 2022, 08:48:33 PM
Irony... Russia is pissed.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-rages-after-son-of-russian-governor-alexander-uss-is-arrested-in-italy-over-us-charges
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 22, 2022, 09:05:05 PM
The Russians are running from Ukrainians like republicans run away from the law.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 23, 2022, 02:12:28 AM
The Russians are running from Ukrainians like republicans run away from the law.

Russians are running away?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 23, 2022, 03:05:26 AM
Have the news pigeons stopped arriving at your desolate outpost?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 23, 2022, 10:06:40 AM
The Russians are running from Ukrainians like republicans run away from the law.

Russians are running away?

They are having their asses handed to the ...


https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-putin-europe-think-tanks-business-deb83a49c24736928a010b0a449f308c
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 23, 2022, 10:13:50 AM
The kids are alright...

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/23/1129011752/ukrainian-volunteers-clean-up-destroyed-villages

(https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2022/10/17/rebuild_npr_0004_custom-d9892323fc7392c41da656bebb92c56656ee6d39-s800-c85.webp)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Holly Martins on October 23, 2022, 10:16:35 AM
https://youtu.be/CNKTLEW78lk (https://youtu.be/CNKTLEW78lk)

Russian propaganda, neatly broken down

Excellent video.  Very helpful. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 23, 2022, 05:05:03 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/23/2130715/-Ukraine-Update-Russia-claims-Ukraine-will-detonate-dirty-bomb-in-weirdest-false-flag-effort-yet (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/10/23/2130715/-Ukraine-Update-Russia-claims-Ukraine-will-detonate-dirty-bomb-in-weirdest-false-flag-effort-yet)

Advancing tanks running directly into towed artillery. Hmmm. What could that mean?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryBnDC on October 23, 2022, 11:46:33 PM

Hmm...

https://twitter.com/juliadavisnews/status/1584054018145685504?s=21
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
Wow -

and you hate Fox News?

heh.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 25, 2022, 04:56:28 PM
Same copy desk. Fox uses uglier wigs and uglier mugs to especially appeal to our domestic shitheads.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 01, 2022, 03:38:23 AM
(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgcOjPUX0AA8ecH?format=jpg&name=large)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 05, 2022, 11:12:17 PM
Aussie fighter "Ninja" who was inspired by Ukrainian president's call for foreign fighters to help save Ukraine from Russia...is dead.
Didn't beat the odds twice.
A noble deed, which cost him his life.

Russia just keeps on bombing residential buildings, more shown on my tv today.
Obviously Russia intends to murder all the people in Ukraine so there won't be anyone left to fight.
Where are all the bombs, bombers, missiles and warplanes etc that NATO countries promised Ukraine?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on November 07, 2022, 04:59:59 PM
The refugees from Ukraine are welcome in Battle Mountain, Nevada, and there is a college in Elko, and there are helpers for the refugees in Nevada...

https://www.unr.edu/nnic

And the refugees can work with Habitat For Humanity to help to build housing, and for jobs there is the United Farm Workers, etc, the unions can help the workers to find jobs. And in Nevada they can sell food and supplies to San Francisco, etc. The hippies can raise flowers to sell to the people of San Francisco. Etc.

Here is a link for Habitat For Humanity in Elko, Nevada...

https://www.elkohabitat.com

Merced, California is also a good spot for refugees, and so is Napa, California.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on November 07, 2022, 05:46:22 PM
Kiwanis International

1 hour

Kiwanis is serious about youth protection.

That is why we have created a toll-free, confidential helpline that can be used 24 hours a day by Kiwanis family members and the youth we serve. To access the U.S. helpline, call 866-607-SAFE (7233).

---------

Kiwanis is GLOBAL and there are good people who will help the refugees all around the world, and Kiwanis International wants to especially help the children.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 11, 2022, 07:22:28 PM
Quote
Former Kremlin adviser Sergei Markov, speaking in an interview, described the surrender of Kherson as quote the largest geopolitical defeat of Russia since the collapse of the U.S.S.R., unquote noting Putin s personal guarantee that the territory would always be part of Russia... 

Ukraine, live and in-kherson!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 12, 2022, 02:45:05 PM
(http://images.dailykos.com/images/1132518/large/fd_BxbBi1?1668130602)

You are the big tree

We are the small axe
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 12, 2022, 06:05:14 PM
Heard Banksy was over there.  Possibly his.  Nice play off Putin's martial arts fandom.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 13, 2022, 10:16:14 PM
The removal of the animals was widely reported in Russian media, portrayed as a small bright spot in an otherwise gloomy picture. It came to light when nationalist Russian poet and blogger Anna Dolgareva boasted on Telegram that the only good news about Moscows surrender of Kherson was that her friend managed to steal a raccoon from Kherson Zoo...   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/11/13/kherson-zoo-raccoons-taken/

Y'know...if that's your bright spot, stealing a raccoon....
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 15, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
Russian missile has landed in Poland, killing 2 Polish citizens.
Poland is outraged.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on November 15, 2022, 09:55:39 PM
If Putin attacks an ally in NATO, then we will attack MOSCOW head on, we will go in and kill Putin head on.

Game over.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 16, 2022, 09:40:54 AM
Ukrainian air defense missile went off course.  Waiting for facts is good.

NATO pins the blame, correctly, on Russia, and will pledge more support to Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on November 16, 2022, 08:32:21 PM
Ukrainian air defense missile went off course.  Waiting for facts is good.

NATO pins the blame, correctly, on Russia, and will pledge more support to Ukraine.
LOL!
Zelensky flat out lied about the misleading ( and still does) since it came from Ukraine.
But of course  Biden the gullible is sending another 37 billion of our bowered money to rhe Ukrainian money pit.

Meanwhile we learn that FTX is the financial arm of the democrat party whose candidates lapped up  the money from  American investors  to prop up the biggest fraud since Enron?  Oh and guess what?  FTX apparently sent millions of defrauded dollars to, wait for it, Ukraine.!  How much was funneled back to the 2022 democrat candidates?
Audit anyone?
 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on November 16, 2022, 10:20:29 PM
Ukrainian air defense missile went off course.  Waiting for facts is good.

NATO pins the blame, correctly, on Russia, and will pledge more support to Ukraine.
LOL!
Zelensky flat out lied about the misleading ( and still does) since it came from Ukraine.
But of course  Biden the gullible is sending another 37 billion of our bowered money to rhe Ukrainian money pit.

Meanwhile we learn that FTX is the financial arm of the democrat party whose candidates lapped up  the money from  American investors  to prop up the biggest fraud since Enron?  Oh and guess what?  FTX apparently sent millions of defrauded dollars to, wait for it, Ukraine.!  How much was funneled back to the 2022 democrat candidates?
Audit anyone?

Conspiracy theory du jour
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 17, 2022, 03:17:22 AM
Wilford Brimley has red planning to keep his money in a bower if he ever gets any. What kinds of ads are running on Faux these days?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 17, 2022, 12:37:55 PM
Ukrainian air defense missile went off course.  Waiting for facts is good.

NATO pins the blame, correctly, on Russia, and will pledge more support to Ukraine.
LOL!
Zelensky flat out lied about the misleading ( and still does) since it came from Ukraine.
But of course  Biden the gullible is sending another 37 billion of our bowered money to rhe Ukrainian money pit.

Meanwhile we learn that FTX is the financial arm of the democrat party whose candidates lapped up  the money from  American investors  to prop up the biggest fraud since Enron?  Oh and guess what?  FTX apparently sent millions of defrauded dollars to, wait for it, Ukraine.!  How much was funneled back to the 2022 democrat candidates?
Audit anyone?

Conspiracy theory du jour

Ward will read this fact check but will never admit he was wrong.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ftx-ukraine-democrats-laundering-996663874380
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on November 17, 2022, 01:16:12 PM
Ukrainian air defense missile went off course.  Waiting for facts is good.

NATO pins the blame, correctly, on Russia, and will pledge more support to Ukraine.
LOL!
Zelensky flat out lied about the misleading ( and still does) since it came from Ukraine.
But of course  Biden the gullible is sending another 37 billion of our bowered money to rhe Ukrainian money pit.

Meanwhile we learn that FTX is the financial arm of the democrat party whose candidates lapped up  the money from  American investors  to prop up the biggest fraud since Enron?  Oh and guess what?  FTX apparently sent millions of defrauded dollars to, wait for it, Ukraine.!  How much was funneled back to the 2022 democrat candidates?
Audit anyone?

Conspiracy theory du jour

Ward will read this fact check but will never admit he was wrong.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ftx-ukraine-democrats-laundering-996663874380
An audit could prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 17, 2022, 01:47:32 PM
Ukrainian air defense missile went off course.  Waiting for facts is good.

NATO pins the blame, correctly, on Russia, and will pledge more support to Ukraine.
LOL!
Zelensky flat out lied about the misleading ( and still does) since it came from Ukraine.
But of course  Biden the gullible is sending another 37 billion of our bowered money to rhe Ukrainian money pit.

Meanwhile we learn that FTX is the financial arm of the democrat party whose candidates lapped up  the money from  American investors  to prop up the biggest fraud since Enron?  Oh and guess what?  FTX apparently sent millions of defrauded dollars to, wait for it, Ukraine.!  How much was funneled back to the 2022 democrat candidates?
Audit anyone?

Conspiracy theory du jour

Ward will read this fact check but will never admit he was wrong.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ftx-ukraine-democrats-laundering-996663874380
An audit could prove me wrong.
But you would never admit it, so why bother?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on November 17, 2022, 02:30:37 PM
Ukrainian air defense missile went off course.  Waiting for facts is good.

NATO pins the blame, correctly, on Russia, and will pledge more support to Ukraine.
LOL!
Zelensky flat out lied about the misleading ( and still does) since it came from Ukraine.
But of course  Biden the gullible is sending another 37 billion of our bowered money to rhe Ukrainian money pit.

Meanwhile we learn that FTX is the financial arm of the democrat party whose candidates lapped up  the money from  American investors  to prop up the biggest fraud since Enron?  Oh and guess what?  FTX apparently sent millions of defrauded dollars to, wait for it, Ukraine.!  How much was funneled back to the 2022 democrat candidates?
Audit anyone?

Conspiracy theory du jour

Ward will read this fact check but will never admit he was wrong.

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-ftx-ukraine-democrats-laundering-996663874380
An audit could prove me wrong.
But you would never admit it, so why bother?
all you have to do is produce it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 17, 2022, 03:39:55 PM
Brady scammed Red. Red wants to blame Democrats for yet more of his personal failings.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 17, 2022, 05:05:57 PM
All you have to do is produce it.

The burden of proof lies with the person making a specious claim.  Boz doesn't have to produce squat for you.

I can't disprove the existence of fairies, either, but in the absence of evidence for them and the generally silly claims of tiny magical woodland spirits I can dismiss them. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on November 17, 2022, 05:24:48 PM
All you have to do is produce it.



I can't disprove the existence of fairies, either, but in the absence of evidence for them and the generally silly claims of tiny magical woodland spirits I can dismiss them.
Okay you dismissed them.  Now what?
You gonna stomp your feet too?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 17, 2022, 05:44:40 PM
All you have to do is produce it.

The burden of proof lies with the person making a specious claim.  Boz doesn't have to produce squat for you.

I can't disprove the existence of fairies, either, but in the absence of evidence for them and the generally silly claims of tiny magical woodland spirits I can dismiss them.

In Ireland they build freeways etc around fairy trees, so as not to disturb the fairies.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 20, 2022, 07:17:48 PM
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049 (http://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/04/02/indoor-plumbing-still-a-pipe-dream-for-20-of-russian-households-reports-say-a65049)

The pleasure of acquiescing to xenophobes and their endless thirst for authority that they are not even smart enough to respect.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 24, 2022, 01:33:16 AM
Time to start missiling Russia.
Evil Russia is now bombing hospital maternity wards and killing babies.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 24, 2022, 11:57:19 AM
They have been doing it for months now. Wake up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 24, 2022, 03:56:57 PM
They have been doing it for months now. Wake up.

Where are all the surface to air missiles the West promised Ukraine?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on November 24, 2022, 04:21:12 PM
They have been doing it for months now. Wake up.

Where are all the surface to air missiles the West promised Ukraine?

Ask your No. 1 radio host
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 24, 2022, 07:35:44 PM
They have been doing it for months now. Wake up.

Where are all the surface to air missiles the West promised Ukraine?

Ask your No. 1 radio host

It's obvious Europe-West is paralysed with fear, so Russia just keeps right on turning Ukraine into ash.
Russia fires missiles into Ukraine...so Ukraine should do the same to Russia.
Rockets raining down on Moscow seems what it will take to make the Russian People revolt and storm the Kremlin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on November 24, 2022, 11:48:13 PM
Putin is losing his groove
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 25, 2022, 03:59:13 AM
Putin is losing his groove

Ukrainians are losing their lives.
Iran is supplying Russia with weapons.
There'll be nothing left in Ukraine soon if Europe-West doesn't quickly supply Ukraine with 
enough missiles to damage Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2022, 06:55:32 PM
Problem is media isnt accurately reporting the Ukraine scoreboard, thus it appears they dont need the help they actually will.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 28, 2022, 07:22:46 PM
There are major ramp ups to let Ukraine throw longer punches and keep its best stuff on the field more regularly.

There have been massing. As the ground freezes there will be pressings and then all will see if the lead to any breakthroughs for either side.

I am not sure how watching the conscripted Russian army surrender under friendly fire or freeze to death in the open will play domestically in Russia. However I am pretty sure that whatever the Russians do to them, Ukraine will remain strongly together against the Russian aggressor for as long as it takes to get them out. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 28, 2022, 08:44:36 PM
It will be Afghanistan II, for Russia.  They're slow learners those tovarichi. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 03, 2022, 11:18:32 AM
This is just some background reading on what some foreign policy experts are saying we should be thinking about, in terms of a possible escalation to war with either China or Russia.  About a ten minute read.  Among other things, it gets into what scenarios are likely if the US actually decided to give military support (direct action) to Taiwan, and how few living Americans have real experience of a world war and the levels of sacrifice and suffering it would involve. 

https://archive.ph/2022.12.02-155532/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/opinion/america-world-war-iii.html

(PW free screenshot)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 04, 2022, 12:37:07 AM
This is just some background reading on what some foreign policy experts are saying we should be thinking about, in terms of a possible escalation to war with either China or Russia.  About a ten minute read.  Among other things, it gets into what scenarios are likely if the US actually decided to give military support (direct action) to Taiwan, and how few living Americans have real experience of a world war and the levels of sacrifice and suffering it would involve. 

https://archive.ph/2022.12.02-155532/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/opinion/america-world-war-iii.html

(PW free screenshot)

Time for the West to write letters to The People of Russia and The People of China...telling them that if Russia or China fires nukes at the West/NATO countries, that nuclear missiles will rain down on China and/or Russia and they will likely be dead or horribly maimed for life, trying to live in a nuclear wasteland.

End with:
"Kiss your family and give them all a big hug tonite, they could be turned into ash next week if Putin or Xi fires nukes at anyone."

*******

Fighting WW3 against China, Russia and their allies should not be left to the US alone...now, a coalition of US aligned nations should be formed.
Countries having to decide..."IN or OUT".

The West seems hopeless at hacking the militaries, infrastructure, etc of Eastern nations.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 04, 2022, 02:26:11 AM
You are a really horrible freak, Bambu. I am glad you are in charge of exactly nothing.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 04, 2022, 03:15:05 PM
You are a really horrible freak, Bambu. I am glad you are in charge of exactly nothing.

Got a better idea?
*
Putin Russia is threatening to fire nuclear missiles.
China is threatening to invade Taiwan...has warships cruising along Australia's coastlines within sight of land, and is claiming ownership of the South China Sea.

What next?
Russia invading Alaska?...threatening to fire nukes if it is not allowed to do so without obstruction?

I get it, why Americans, who can defend themselves with nukes and civilian guns, wouldn't want to go to war with China over Taiwan, Australia, Japan or anywhere else.
Some people say China wants Taiwan for the semiconductors.

Are the Chinese warships looking for the best areas to land their millions of fearsome-looking troops in its invasion of Australia?
Foolishly, Australia signed up to nuclear non-proliferation treaties instead of arming itself with nukes...when it allowed Britain to test atomic bombs on its soil it should've demanded a better deal, one that included nukes for itself.
Now Australia is basically defenceless.

France, who "blew up" the South Pacific with atomic bomb tests, was not so foolish and is now nuke armed..."sitting pretty" if you like...while Australia is a nervous wreck, running around like a headless chook and trying to scramble some defences.

One tactic I would try is making the billionnaires, rich, "average Joe" folk in China and Russia understand exactly what would happen to them in a nuke war or conventional war.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 04, 2022, 03:48:48 PM
France has a short memory;

In Flanders Fields

    In Flanders Fields, the poppies blow
         Between the crosses, row on row,
       That mark our place; and in the sky
       The larks, still bravely singing, fly
    Scarce heard amid the guns below.

    We are the dead. Short days ago
    We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
       Loved and were loved, and now we lie,
                              In Flanders fields

    Take up our quarrel with the foe:
    To you from failing hands we throw
       The torch; be yours to hold it high.
       If ye break faith with us who die
    We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
                                In Flanders fields.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 05, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
This is just some background reading on what some foreign policy experts are saying we should be thinking about, in terms of a possible escalation to war with either China or Russia.  About a ten minute read.  Among other things, it gets into what scenarios are likely if the US actually decided to give military support (direct action) to Taiwan, and how few living Americans have real experience of a world war and the levels of sacrifice and suffering it would involve. 

https://archive.ph/2022.12.02-155532/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/opinion/america-world-war-iii.html

(PW free screenshot)

Time for the West to write letters to The People of Russia and The People of China...
Vaguely reminded of a Peter Cook and Dudley Moore sketch where Cook claimed to have stopped WW II. From my memory.

PC: I was against it, you know.
DM: I think we all were.
PC: Yes, but I wrote a letter. Dear sirs. Stop it.
DM: Thank God you wrote.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 05, 2022, 10:18:54 AM
Har!  Sounds about right.  Sounds beyond the fringe ish.  Cook helped invent modern satire.



Meanwhile, the curse of the limited decision on wedding cakes returns.  Wonder if the conservative court will carve out some sort of niche that lets businesses narrowly define their services.

https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-entertainment-religion-race-and-ethnicity-discrimination-9f2a76e9c72b6e0dc2a513a968328799
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on December 05, 2022, 11:41:50 AM
Har!  Sounds about right.  Sounds beyond the fringe ish.  Cook helped invent modern satire.



Meanwhile, the curse of the limited decision on wedding cakes returns.  Wonder if the conservative court will carve out some sort of niche that lets businesses narrowly define their services.

https://apnews.com/article/us-supreme-court-entertainment-religion-race-and-ethnicity-discrimination-9f2a76e9c72b6e0dc2a513a968328799

The case comes at a time when the court is dominated 6-3 by conservatives and following a series of cases in which the justices have sided with religious plaintiffs. It also comes as, across the street from the court, lawmakers in Congress are finalizing a landmark bill protecting same-sex marriage.

The whiny voices from the left object to the bill since it fails to Federally prohibit states from barring same sex or interracial marriages.
The bill most certain to pass will not force any state who bans these marriages ( none does) to change its law.The whole controversy is ridiculous since same sex and interracial marriages are ingrained parts of our culture
and will never go away.
In addition the Senate amended the bill with protections for religious liberty.

The Bill is a big deal for the politicians.
But the compromises and amendment speak more to the mood of the country. Much ado about nothing.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 05, 2022, 12:30:32 PM
Much ado about your stupid evil bigotry, Ward, and how it no longer has any place in our society.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 05, 2022, 03:23:33 PM
It is one of those secular v religious tensions that we seem stuck with, so long as some hold the religious belief that Gee Hovah won't sanctify a same sex marriage.  It's an idiotic theology, but it's theirs, and I can see how they lever that into refusing to provide a service to gay weddings.  What I don't see is why they can't just have their narrow and stupid belief and just offer a service to "Christian" weddings on some private contract basis and limp along in their resulting righteous poverty.  Meanwhile, public establishments will continue to have employees leave their theological beliefs at home and agree to come to work and serve everyone, in accord with their job description and the constitution. 

If you think pork is filthy and unholy due to religious belief, that doesn't mean you can turn away customers if you work behind the meat counter.  You either hand over the pork chops or you opt to work elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on December 05, 2022, 04:38:47 PM
It is one of those secular v religious tensions that we seem stuck with, so long as some hold the religious belief that Gee Hovah won't sanctify a same sex marriage.  It's an idiotic theology, but it's theirs, and I can see how they lever that into refusing to provide a service to gay weddings.  What I don't see is why they can't just have their narrow and stupid belief and just offer a service to "Christian" weddings on some private contract basis and limp along in their resulting righteous poverty.  Meanwhile, public establishments will continue to have employees leave their theological beliefs at home and agree to come to work and serve everyone, in accord with their job description and the constitution. 
There is a distinction between an employee and the owner. The owner in these cases are designers of cakes, etc who have religious beliefs that conflict with, say, same sex marriage. They refuse to design a cake specifically for a same sex marriage, but will provide cakes off their shelves or bake a traditional cake.
They will also help the customer find an alternative baker for what they want.
Quote

If you think pork is filthy and unholy due to religious belief, that doesn't mean you can turn away customers if you work behind the meat counter.  You either hand over the pork chops or you opt to work elsewhere.
In the example of a butcher shop worker and pork, Judaism requires religious penalties for consuming certain meat. A Jewish meat store owner can refuse to offer pork products but that would not be a sound business practice. A Jewish clerk would never run afoul of the Talmud by selling pork chops.

If you lump all religious beliefs you do not like as idiotic, narrow, and stupid I would describe all of your knowledge of American history as lacking.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 05, 2022, 06:55:26 PM
Pork products are not people. As long as a business does not discriminate in its services based upon the customer. If a deli chooses to not sell pork, it does not have to sell pork unless it determines who to sell the pork to based on an unlawful criteria.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 05, 2022, 09:03:48 PM
It is one of those secular v religious tensions that we seem stuck with, so long as some hold the religious belief that Gee Hovah won't sanctify a same sex marriage.  It's an idiotic theology, but it's theirs, and I can see how they lever that into refusing to provide a service to gay weddings.  What I don't see is why they can't just have their narrow and stupid belief and just offer a service to "Christian" weddings on some private contract basis and limp along in their resulting righteous poverty.  Meanwhile, public establishments will continue to have employees leave their theological beliefs at home and agree to come to work and serve everyone, in accord with their job description and the constitution. 

If you think pork is filthy and unholy due to religious belief, that doesn't mean you can turn away customers if you work behind the meat counter.  You either hand over the pork chops or you opt to work elsewhere.

Indeed.
But, I believe a business should have the right to not sell pig products in its meat section...if it so chooses.

A business should also be able to refuse to make a "same-sex wedding cake"/cake for a same sex wedding ...on religious grounds.
Surely anything else is just "Nazi Germany mk2".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 05, 2022, 09:24:59 PM
Indonesia has introduced jail terms for anyone having sex outside marriage.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 05, 2022, 09:58:16 PM
Indonesia has introduced jail terms for anyone having sex outside marriage.

Good luck with that
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 05, 2022, 10:58:34 PM
Indonesia has introduced jail terms for anyone having sex outside marriage.

Good luck with that

Indonesia is a "Muslim-majority country".

LGBTQI+  folk have it good in America.
In Iran they are put on death row then killed by the state in chambers of death.

No same sex wedding cakes...or same sex weddings for that matter...in Iran.

Just a pity really that Iran is not a "Christian country", Xi is not a Christian, and Putin is not a real Christian.

Nuke-capable bombers are lined up on the airfields in Russia, ready to give it to Ukraine bigtime...finish it off, obliterate it from Earth.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 06, 2022, 11:55:14 PM
Meanwhile

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/06/world/europe/ukraine-drone-strikes-russian-bases.html
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 07, 2022, 07:52:06 PM
Captured Russian documents reveal plan to subjugate Ukraine in 10 days and kill population. - The Daily Digest, via MSN
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on December 07, 2022, 09:55:46 PM
Tucker Carlson labeled him the Creepy Porn Lawyer.
The left, Joy Behar, and the creeps on CNN,  MSNBC, NY Times, WPOST, and the clickbait on The Guardian had
Michael Avenati as Presidential material.
Oops. He is going to jail for 14 years.

No presidential limo. 
But he has a chance to stamp its license plate.

Time wounds all heels.

ROFL!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 07, 2022, 11:20:27 PM
He will be out long before this guy

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/7/2140622/-Busy-Florida-legislator-writes-anti-LGBTQ-laws-and-steals-COVID-funds-and-now-faces-20-years (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/7/2140622/-Busy-Florida-legislator-writes-anti-LGBTQ-laws-and-steals-COVID-funds-and-now-faces-20-years)

Fascists are dumb entitled bitches. It was so easy for them to take over the republican party because the fit right in.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 11, 2022, 10:15:50 AM
Back to topic....

https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3770669-grim-winter-takes-hold-in-ukraine-us-and-its-nato-allies-need-to-act-before-its-too-late/

Is it time for a no-fly zone, before millions of Ukrainians freeze to death? 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2022, 12:19:11 PM
I think as an absolute last resort. Instituting a no-fly zone constitutes an act of war. Once you are in a war you are in a war.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 11, 2022, 03:27:10 PM
Poverty is the father of crime and revolution, and poverty is also the father of war.

When the people are suffering, and as crime rises, and as people become upset, the leaders who fear revolution blame the problems on someone else in order to retain power, and they go to war against innocent people in order to retain power. It sucks.

So, we need to fight against poverty, and the worst type of poverty is ignorance, as ignorant people are easily led into false wars and are easily manipulated. So we need to teach people so they might understand and be peaceful instead of blaming innocent people for circumstances that are not their fault. Also as people are taught the ways of peace they can also be taught how to make honest money and how to escape poverty peacefully.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 11, 2022, 04:32:47 PM
Russian drones just obliterated a whole town in Ukraine.
The complete solution has started....one by one towns and cities in Ukraine will be wiped off the map, all the inhabitants slaughtered.
Such is life for the people unlucky enough to be born in Ukraine...and it's a valuable lesson for countries that can't defend themselves.
Russia just laughs at the UN .. . as the UN basically says:
"Would you like another massage and banquet, Mr Putin?"
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 11, 2022, 04:34:56 PM
I think as an absolute last resort. Instituting a no-fly zone constitutes an act of war. Once you are in a war you are in a war.

This has been my thinking too.  But the attack on utilities, in a place whose weather is probably comparable to Manitoba, seems to be heading towards genocide.  Putin is turning out to be the kind of mad dog dictator that prompts soul-searching on what point NATO/US might be morally obligated to step in.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2022, 05:02:27 PM
Certainly. We have become participants in wars on far flimsier moral bases, but my whole point is merely that once we declare a no-fly zone we are at war.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 11, 2022, 08:29:30 PM
Priority should be given to supplying Ukraine with the means to get through the winter.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on December 11, 2022, 10:45:54 PM
One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 12, 2022, 12:49:11 AM
As soon as it is done kicking Russian ass, Ukraine will become the test ground for resilient distributed renewable electricity grid. Results there are going to lead rapid revolutions around the world.

We are going to keep spending money there like it was Iraq and it was our boys in our boots on the ground.

I do not expect Russia to be as keen on getting into a second winter of this war as they were getting into a first.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 12, 2022, 01:02:07 PM
This war is horrible, I hate sitting here watching a bully kill innocent people.

I am searching my mind for thoughts that might help them, I am searching my memories from Machiavelli's advice to the Prince, and from history, and from Shakespeare, etc.

One thing, the fight needs to be taken into Russia, right to Moscow, somehow, some way.

Also, support needs to be found among the Russian people, we need to find Russians who are on our side.

And weapons include famine, sword, and fire, according to Shakespeare. I would love to see some fire happen in Moscow, napalm would work.

The Pope pleas for peace, while Ukraine said it is not yet time to negotiate, then if that is the case then the people of Ukraine need to take the fight into Moscow and destroy the most valuable things that the Russians have and make the Russians suffer a bit, and then negotiate. The soldiers from Ukraine can sneak into Russia and set bombs to blow stuff up. And there can be Russians on our side in Russia who can blow stuff up, etc, like the French Resistance. And we need to find ways to make Putin suffer enough that peace would be a suitable reward to stop the evil aggression.

And we have the World Bank and unlimited money, and we have the United Nations. We also have Hollywood, creativity, and great schools with the world's smartest minds. Certainly there must be a way that we can stop Putin and bring peace to the people of the Ukraine. ( One idea that Hollywood used during World War II was that they set up fake cities with lots of lights for the Germans to bomb, while the real cities sat safely in the dark. They also made fake tanks to make the Germans think they were in one area while they were in another. )

The smartest minds, with unlimited money, should be able to stop Putin somehow.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 12, 2022, 02:26:48 PM
As soon as it is done kicking Russian ass, Ukraine will become the test ground for resilient distributed renewable electricity grid. Results there are going to lead rapid revolutions around the world.

We are going to keep spending money there like it was Iraq and it was our boys in our boots on the ground.

I do not expect Russia to be as keen on getting into a second winter of this war as they were getting into a first.
 

Russia is doing the ass-kicking, removing Ukraine from existence one town at a time....using drones.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 12, 2022, 03:47:39 PM
As soon as it is done kicking Russian ass, Ukraine will become the test ground for resilient distributed renewable electricity grid. Results there are going to lead rapid revolutions around the world.

We are going to keep spending money there like it was Iraq and it was our boys in our boots on the ground.

I do not expect Russia to be as keen on getting into a second winter of this war as they were getting into a first.
 

Russia is doing the ass-kicking, removing Ukraine from existence one town at a time....using drones.

Ukraine needs the "Iron Dome" system such as we built together as a team with Israel for the Israelis. Ukraine has the same right to safety as Israel. We have been working on missile defense and stuff for a long time, Reagan spent a fortune on missile defense research, we can give the Ukraine safe air space.

Putin could do so much to help to make the world a better place, but instead he uses his power to do evil, he is scum. Not one innocent life is worth the life of Putin, he is of less value to the world than the poorest of innocent victims.

China is on our side, we should take Putin out at this time, China is not going to defend Putin.

And to bomb people and to say that it is an act of war if we send them air cover and safe air space is crazy. It is like when a man beats a woman and then blames her for getting beat up. It is bullshit. We are not the bad guys if we stop Putin, we are the heroes who saved innocent victims.

I fully support Pope Francis in his call for peace, while at the same time Putin must face justice for his actions. The Russians would be wise to banish Putin and replace him with a better leader who is peaceful. A wise man could see the benefits of peace and world trade, but Putin is a fool and he is a bully.

I say that we send Ukraine air protection from the drones.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 12, 2022, 07:31:22 PM
One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 12, 2022, 07:40:20 PM
One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!

The World Bank is going finance the rebuilding of Ukraine.

Ukraine can get money from the World Bank, the USA does not need to fund Ukraine.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on December 12, 2022, 07:41:54 PM
One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!
I think you missed out on a lot of history.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 12, 2022, 09:50:48 PM
One more dime to Zelensky is past overkill.
But with Biden we will be spending billions to rebuild a country destroyed by a despot.  And it was not Putin

Thanks again, Neville!
I think you missed out on a lot of history.

ROFLMAO
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2022, 11:04:14 PM
I think as an absolute last resort. Instituting a no-fly zone constitutes an act of war. Once you are in a war you are in a war.

This has been my thinking too.  But the attack on utilities, in a place whose weather is probably comparable to Manitoba, seems to be heading towards genocide.  Putin is turning out to be the kind of mad dog dictator that prompts soul-searching on what point NATO/US might be morally obligated to step in.

That point does not exist

They are cowards.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 13, 2022, 12:28:50 PM
As a voting citizen of a NATO country, I share with some percent of my fellow citizens, a willingness to bite the bullet to save Ukraine.   I would accept rationing and some privation if it were necessary, knowing it was but a tiny taste of what life in Ukraine is.  I know many would disagree.  And I am not advocating boots on the ground. 



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 13, 2022, 11:08:27 PM
With the world's smartest minds, and with unlimited money, you would think that the world would be able to stop Putin.

Putin needs to be stopped.

We have the World Bank, and we have the United Nations, we need to stop Putin.

We have Hollywood, we have George Lucas, and we need to stop Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 19, 2022, 04:27:20 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/19/2142716/-Ukraine-fights-in-Bakhmut-because-of-Bucha (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2022/12/19/2142716/-Ukraine-fights-in-Bakhmut-because-of-Bucha)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 20, 2022, 12:17:03 PM
Putin has visited Belarus "with a spring in his step".
Stand by for a Russian invasion of Ukraine from Belarus.

Suicide drones are being fired into Ukraine by Russia.
Talk about a one-sided war. Russia is allowed to blow up Ukraine at will because it controls the UN and threatens to use nukes...but poor ol' Ukraine is not allowed to fire missiles into Russia because that might upset Putin.
Sanctions are obviously a big waste of time. Russia just laughs at them.
Time for Ukraine to be armed...properly.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 20, 2022, 06:24:48 PM
Putin has visited Belarus "with a spring in his step".
Stand by for a Russian invasion of Ukraine from Belarus.

Suicide drones are being fired into Ukraine by Russia.
Talk about a one-sided war. Russia is allowed to blow up Ukraine at will because it controls the UN and threatens to use nukes...but poor ol' Ukraine is not allowed to fire missiles into Russia because that might upset Putin.
Sanctions are obviously a big waste of time. Russia just laughs at them.
Time for Ukraine to be armed...properly.

Zelensky will be in DC tomorrow..
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 21, 2022, 01:27:29 PM
With the world's smartest minds, and with unlimited money, you would think that the world would be able to stop Putin.

Putin needs to be stopped.

We have the World Bank, and we have the United Nations, we need to stop Putin.

We have Hollywood, we have George Lucas, and we need to stop Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.

Problem is ...Putin and his cronies (Putin is only one old and some say 'crazy' man)...his generals and politicians who are obviously quite happy to turn Ukraine and its people into ash slowly and methodically...run the UN.

Now Belarus looks like getting involved, Russian tanks and troops are doing pre-invasion training in Belarus.
Germany/Europe don't seem to understand, ...if Russia gets Ukraine, NATO or no NATO, they could well be next.
Putin will just keep threatening to use nukes as his miltary, complete with drones from Iran (time to punish Iran), march thru Europe like Hitler did.
Putin will succeed where Hitler failed, nukes the game-changer.
Then China, emboldened by Russia's success, could do the same in Asia/Asia Pacific, starting with Taiwan.
Who could stop it, if it too threatens to use nukes?
China has 2million+ troops, hpyersonic missiles, every day churning out more of them.
Probably has 800million people who could fire a gun to bolster the military.

Top level Delegation from Australia is in China at present, "talking turkey".
We'll see how fair-dinkum China is about its "reset the relationship" words.
As usual, ScoMo got the blame for everything!  lol

The proof will be in the "pudding"...how much of the trade "pudding" Australia gets back.
Leftist bambuland PM 'Albo' thinks holding talks is enough success...well he's mistaking public opinion.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 21, 2022, 07:35:27 PM
Republicans yelling about money laundering, corruption and Ukrainians are Nazis are once again on the wrong side of history.

Every thing you think you know about the 2024 campaign is probably off the mark.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on December 22, 2022, 12:17:06 PM
48 per cent of the GOP voters now oppose more aid to the despot Zelensky who jails his opposition, shuts down the media, and shuts down Orthodox Churches.

There is no world in which Ukraine is the number one priority of Republicans. There is no world in which the risks and costs of taking on Ukraine as a permanent financial and security dependent is worth risking a major war with Russia over the Sevastopol naval base, or over who controls the Donbas.


To compare Zelensky to Churchill(as Nancy Pelosi did) is to admit you are a fool.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 22, 2022, 01:13:21 PM
48 per cent of the GOP voters now oppose more aid to the despot Zelensky who jails his opposition, shuts down the media, and shuts down Orthodox Churches.

There is no world in which Ukraine is the number one priority of Republicans. There is no world in which the risks and costs of taking on Ukraine as a permanent financial and security dependent is worth risking a major war with Russia over the Sevastopol naval base, or over who controls the Donbas.


To compare Zelensky to Churchill(as Nancy Pelosi did) is to admit you are a fool.
So that is what Putin is recommending as a soundbite, Boris? Interesting.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 22, 2022, 01:48:24 PM
Red is Putins little warhead at home and abroad. It is safer to detonate him in isolation than to try and get his janky ass defused.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 22, 2022, 05:51:53 PM
Bambu, Australia needs to advertise for Tourism in China, and the wealthy Chinese can go on vacation in Australia. I had a roommate in Malibu who was the daughter of a Chinese general, and she loves Malibu. The Chinese love Malibu. And Australia has places that are nice like Malibu. The Australians need to advertise for Tourism for the Chinese tourists and that will help to improve relations between Australia and China.

The Chinese are peaceful, they just want world trade and they want peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 22, 2022, 10:36:50 PM
Bambu, Australia needs to advertise for Tourism in China, and the wealthy Chinese can go on vacation in Australia. I had a roommate in Malibu who was the daughter of a Chinese general, and she loves Malibu. The Chinese love Malibu. And Australia has places that are nice like Malibu. The Australians need to advertise for Tourism for the Chinese tourists and that will help to improve relations between Australia and China.

The Chinese are peaceful, they just want world trade and they want peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.

Don't be fooled by China, it's now Russia's best buddy...doing military exercises with it.
North Korea is said to be supplying weapons to Russia.

Xi was threatening war not long ago.
China seems to be claiming the South China Sea as its own.
China has some Chinese Australians in its prisons. They seem to be "political prisoners".

How does one avoid finding oneself banged up in a prison in China?
Stay out of China.
No degree from Harvard needed for this one either.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on December 23, 2022, 11:47:37 AM
Zelensky spotted ringing handbell next to red kettle in D.C.
NBC lauds him as Churchillian.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 23, 2022, 02:48:42 PM
Red was last seen crawling up the ass of a Russian TV presenter. When confronted, Red explained that he was looking for his klan hood and that was the last place he remembers wearing it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 23, 2022, 09:03:52 PM
Someone has to fight for the Rights and Liberties of White people in today's world, in particular White heterosexual males, and Christians.
Not sure it should be the Klan though. Pity there's not another group, one more atuned to what is required.
NAAWPAC, (National Association for the Advancement of White People And Christians)...for example.
White people have a right to exist, the same as any other race.
Christians have a right to exist, the same as any other faith.
Heterosexual White males have a right to exist, the same as any other people.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 23, 2022, 09:18:42 PM
I'm sure the Oath Keepers would greet you with open arms.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 23, 2022, 10:35:56 PM
Someone has to fight for the Rights and Liberties of White people in today's world, in particular White heterosexual males, and Christians.
Not sure it should be the Klan though. Pity there's not another group, one more atuned to what is required.
NAAWPAC, (National Association for the Advancement of White People And Christians)...for example.
White people have a right to exist, the same as any other race.
Christians have a right to exist, the same as any other faith.
Heterosexual White males have a right to exist, the same as any other people.

Fool.

Black is beautiful
Tan is grand
But White is de color of
De Big Boss man..
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 23, 2022, 11:36:00 PM
http://www.salon.com/2022/12/23/zelenskyy-visit-exposes-a-rift--between-actual-fascists-and-everyone-else/ (http://www.salon.com/2022/12/23/zelenskyy-visit-exposes-a-rift--between-actual-fascists-and-everyone-else/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 24, 2022, 11:14:24 AM
Someone has to fight for the Rights and Liberties of White people in today's world, in particular White heterosexual males, and Christians.
Not sure it should be the Klan though. Pity there's not another group, one more atuned to what is required.
NAAWPAC, (National Association for the Advancement of White People And Christians)...for example.
White people have a right to exist, the same as any other race.
Christians have a right to exist, the same as any other faith.
Heterosexual White males have a right to exist, the same as any other people.

Fool.

Black is beautiful
Tan is grand
But White is de color of
De Big Boss man..

I don' care what De white man say...
Santa Claus is s black man.....
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 24, 2022, 09:50:05 PM
Someone has to fight for the Rights and Liberties of White people in today's world, in particular White heterosexual males, and Christians.
Not sure it should be the Klan though. Pity there's not another group, one more atuned to what is required.
NAAWPAC, (National Association for the Advancement of White People And Christians)...for example.
White people have a right to exist, the same as any other race.
Christians have a right to exist, the same as any other faith.
Heterosexual White males have a right to exist, the same as any other people.

Black is beautiful
Tan is grand
But White is de color of
De Big Boss man..

I don' care what De white man say...
Santa Claus is s black man.....

In a Hallmark movie, in Black grandma's house, in her Nativity scene, baby Jesus was Black. :)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 24, 2022, 09:59:28 PM
Someone has to fight for the Rights and Liberties of White people in today's world, in particular White heterosexual males, and Christians.
Not sure it should be the Klan though. Pity there's not another group, one more atuned to what is required.
NAAWPAC, (National Association for the Advancement of White People And Christians)...for example.
White people have a right to exist, the same as any other race.
Christians have a right to exist, the same as any other faith.
Heterosexual White males have a right to exist, the same as any other people.

Fool.

Black is beautiful
Tan is grand
But White is de color of
De Big Boss man..

My Sky News has exposed it all;

There's a war on Christmas.
A war on Christians.
A war on churches.
A war on men, especially masculine ones, even more especially big strong muscular ones [who can fill sand bags and swing them up into the trucks, carry you to safety from fires and flood waters, and chop firewood to keep you warm.
A war on heterosexual men.

And seemingly a campaign to feminise men.

All Christians in America should arm themeselves with guns and know how to use them well.
Christians in America should turn their churches into fortresses.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 25, 2022, 12:11:54 AM
White Christmas in America...40 below, how ever do y'all survive.
Young boys should get toy six guns and toy AK47s, cowboy hats.
Play "cowboys and terrorists".
Young girls should get nice feminine dresses, Barbie dolls, dolls houses and tea sets
Girls can graduate to guns when they're older.
Modestly dressed girls in feminine attire give themselves the best chance of having happy and successful lives.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 25, 2022, 06:51:56 AM
Nobody celebrates the joy of Christmas like Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 25, 2022, 01:23:24 PM
Happy Xmas, Hanukkah (day 7), Festivus, Solstice, and Wildfire Season in Australia!

My most memorable experience of extreme cold was a record breaking series of days in January 1974.  One morning I found that you cannot pick up a metal trashcan lid with your bare hand without your hand sticking to the metal. 


(Edited for accuracy on dates)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 25, 2022, 01:58:33 PM
Someone has to fight for the Rights and Liberties of White people in today's world, in particular White heterosexual males, and Christians.
Not sure it should be the Klan though. Pity there's not another group, one more atuned to what is required.
NAAWPAC, (National Association for the Advancement of White People And Christians)...for example.
White people have a right to exist, the same as any other race.
Christians have a right to exist, the same as any other faith.
Heterosexual White males have a right to exist, the same as any other people.

Fool.

Black is beautiful
Tan is grand
But White is de color of
De Big Boss man..

My Sky News has exposed it all;

There's a war on Christmas.
A war on Christians.
A war on churches.
A war on men, especially masculine ones, even more especially big strong muscular ones [who can fill sand bags and swing them up into the trucks, carry you to safety from fires and flood waters, and chop firewood to keep you warm.
A war on heterosexual men.
As John Stewart once noted, if there is a war on Christmas, Christmas was the aggressor nation. That goes for all of the "wars" you mention.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 25, 2022, 01:59:10 PM
White Christmas in America...40 below, how ever do y'all survive.
Young boys should get toy six guns and toy AK47s, cowboy hats.
Play "cowboys and terrorists".
Young girls should get nice feminine dresses, Barbie dolls, dolls houses and tea sets
Girls can graduate to guns when they're older.
Modestly dressed girls in feminine attire give themselves the best chance of having happy and successful lives.
Merry Christmas, 1952.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 25, 2022, 05:46:43 PM
Nobody celebrates the joy of Christmas like Bambu.

Sky news might be on to something. It has definitely turned Bambu into a whiny bitch far from any masculine ideal just like fox does to our imasculate fascists here.

Pray for the sad fucks who have traded their masculinity for a gun fetish and a need to project cruelty to mask their weaknesses.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 25, 2022, 11:42:52 PM
Nobody celebrates the joy of Christmas like Bambu.

Sky news might be on to something. It has definitely turned Bambu into a whiny bitch far from any masculine ideal just like fox does to our imasculate fascists here.

Pray for the sad fucks who have traded their masculinity for a gun fetish and a need to project cruelty to mask their weaknesses.

Guns are great...for men who were not lucky enough to be born tall or have the time to  visit gyms every day, but who want to be able to defend themselves and their families from jemmy/knife/machete/gun wielding thugs.
Sam Colt made all men equal.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 26, 2022, 02:29:47 AM
Yep.  Guns are "great."  How about for children?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/12/14/magazine/gun-violence-children-data-statistics.html



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 26, 2022, 03:44:06 AM
Bambu is a perpetual child and he definitely wants a gun.

No guns for you Bambu and no nukes either.

Try getting a slingshot. You can launch lumps from your coal supply at any potential assailants.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 26, 2022, 05:41:53 AM
American women are very lucky, they can carry guns, defend themselves.
Women in bambuworld are not allowed to carry guns, knives, swords etc...they are easy pray for machete wielding killers.
31 yr old teacher Dannielle Finlay-Jones swiped right (or left) ...to find romance on a dating app. She was hacked to death last weekend in a house in a town in the Blue Mountains near Sydney. Her date is her alleged killer.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 26, 2022, 11:37:09 PM
They wont sell machetes or fire axes to the Sheilas down there? That is terribly sexist of you convicts.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 27, 2022, 02:54:01 AM
They wont sell machetes or fire axes to the Sheilas down there? That is terribly sexist of you convicts.

There is evil everywhere, not just in Russia...every person needs weapons!
Women can buy machetes and axes, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 27, 2022, 07:50:32 AM
American women are very lucky, they can carry guns, defend themselves.
Women in bambuworld are not allowed to carry guns, knives, swords etc...they are easy pray for machete wielding killers.
31 yr old teacher Dannielle Finlay-Jones swiped right (or left) ...to find romance on a dating app. She was hacked to death last weekend in a house in a town in the Blue Mountains near Sydney. Her date is her alleged killer.
I am guessing you fail to see any connection between that murder and...

White Christmas in America...40 below, how ever do y'all survive.
Young boys should get toy six guns and toy AK47s, cowboy hats.
Play "cowboys and terrorists".
Young girls should get nice feminine dresses, Barbie dolls, dolls houses and tea sets
Girls can graduate to guns when they're older.
Modestly dressed girls in feminine attire give themselves the best chance of having happy and successful lives.
Toxic masculinity is toxic.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 27, 2022, 10:59:48 AM
Evidently Russian magnates and oligarchs are clumsy as all get out

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64101437
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 27, 2022, 12:29:00 PM
Anyone besides me find the term "sausage tycoon," whimsical.?

I wonder if he was pushing his sausage in the wrong place.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 27, 2022, 03:12:11 PM
Teach your boys to be men, before their ........ teach them to be women.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 28, 2022, 03:07:50 PM
Red better keep spreading Russian war propaganda, or else be careful around windows.

Russian Meat Magnate Who Reportedly Criticized Ukraine War Falls To Death From Third Floor Of Hotel
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/russian-meat-magnate-pavel-antov-falls-to-death_n_63ac5b06e4b0d6f0b9f0b81c
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on December 28, 2022, 06:37:19 PM
Evidently Russian magnates and oligarchs are clumsy as all get out

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64101437

Anyone besides me find the term "sausage tycoon" whimsical?

I wonder if he was pushing his sausage in the wrong place.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 28, 2022, 10:36:41 PM
from 'And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda'
.......

1915
How our blood stained the sand and the water
And of how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter.


xxx

Now it's 2023 soon.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-03/chinese-warships-enter-sydney-harbour-south-china-sea-claims/11172578 (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-03/chinese-warships-enter-sydney-harbour-south-china-sea-claims/11172578)

#####

Lovely...friends.
Then it all turned to shyte.
Never trust anyone.

xxx

https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/chinese-warship-tracked-off-west-coast/13881588 (https://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/pm/chinese-warship-tracked-off-west-coast/13881588)

#####

American bombers and nuke armed ships can't arrive in Australia fast enough, in my mind.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 28, 2022, 10:51:20 PM
White Christmas in America...40 below, how ever do y'all survive.
Young boys should get toy six guns and toy AK47s, cowboy hats.
Play "cowboys and terrorists".
Young girls should get nice feminine dresses, Barbie dolls, dolls houses and tea sets
Girls can graduate to guns when they're older.
Modestly dressed girls in feminine attire give themselves the best chance of having happy and successful lives.
Merry Christmas, 1952.

Indeed...and a pity it doesn't seem to apply much in 2022.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 31, 2022, 01:50:02 PM
Putin has shown off his new frigate that is armed with his latest hypersonic missiles.
He said he'll be having this warship sail along the coast of Britain on its way to war games with his allies....as a warning to Britain.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 31, 2022, 05:24:13 PM
Putin has shown off his new frigate that is armed with his latest hypersonic missiles.
He said he'll be having this warship sail along the coast of Britain on its way to war games with his allies....as a warning to Britain.



Tell that to the crew of the Moskva. The last Russian flagship.



(https://cdn.theatlantic.com/thumbor/r-EmE8Yg2SsbrRmuTMlEo_54T2Q=/0x0:2661x1497/1952x1098/media/img/mt/2022/05/2J5CF8M_Warship_01-1/original.jpg)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on January 02, 2023, 07:08:51 PM
Things are going great for Putin

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/01/02/ukraine-russia-war-donetsk-strike/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on January 02, 2023, 09:09:07 PM
I think this video of a Ukrainian man taking refuge in an abandoned cabin (leaving it better than he found it) speaks to the present situation.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-nHxYALP0QU

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on January 04, 2023, 07:01:37 PM
It may be mud straight through this winter. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 05, 2023, 02:04:07 PM
Great news!
Aussie is to buy long-range HIMARS missile system from the US....after Ukraine praises weapon's effectiveness against Russia.
Australia's Army will have an unprecedented long-range strike capability.
Ukraine has praised the High Mobility Artillery Rocket System for its devastating effectiveness against invading Russian forces.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 08, 2023, 02:18:56 AM
Putin looks dejected as he attends Christmas service alone in Moscow

#####

Good.

Wonder what he thinks he's doing at a Christmas service?

When he gets to the Pearly Gates he might be able to claim 'mental illness'/'the devil made me do it'...but only if he calls a permanent cease fire to his invasion of Ukraine.
If he doesn't, he's doomed to rot in hell.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 14, 2023, 01:34:41 AM
Putin's new tactics...send a wave of Wagner group mercinaries to attack the Ukrainian forces and suffer heavy casualties ...and allow assessment and tiring of Ukrainian forces...then send waves of crack Russian special forces and regulars to beat the Ukrainians.
Wagner lot, where did they get them from, the dum dum factory?
Ahem, cannon-fodder.
Russia is winning the war...slowly but surely.

Time for Ukraine to invade Russia.
"The best form of defence is attack".

Where the hell are all the serious missiles and defences against Russian bombers that the West has promised Ukraine?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 15, 2023, 12:56:40 AM
Russia launched major missile attacks on Ukraine, well away from the front lines.
Missiles destroyed apartment buildings etc, killing residents including children.
Britain is sending tanks and better artillery systems.
Ukrainian President is *begging* for more powerful weapons, he knows Russia is winning, ...slowly but surely turning Ukraine into rubble.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on January 15, 2023, 01:29:37 AM
Cue ice and Bradley season. Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 21, 2023, 08:09:27 PM
It's just about over.
Ukraine doesn't have enough powerful weapons...it can't attack Russia, but Russia can bomb it without major censure.
Oh well, that's what happens these days to countries that can't defend themselves.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on January 24, 2023, 10:02:37 PM
The government of Ukraine needs to have some top secret meetings with the top people at NASA here in the USA, and with other geniuses here in the USA, I helped to build a top secret conference room in a top secret location where they can have a top secret conference. Ukraine needs to consult with the smartest minds in the world at a top secret conference.

Winning in Ukraine and stopping Putin is about more than just weapons, though the experts can help to guide Ukraine on available weapons and the best way to use the weapons.

And I agree Bambu that they should take the fight into Moscow, the experts can discuss that while the leaders of Ukraine are having a top secret meeting with the experts.

The generals are good to consult, but there are other brilliant minds such as the people at NASA, and others, who can help to guide Ukraine to victory in stopping Russia.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on January 24, 2023, 10:56:05 PM
At the top secret meeting the leaders of Ukraine need to meet with the smartest people in the world, including people from NASA, and top generals, and weapons specialists, etc, and they can also have the smartest minds from Hollywood at the secret meeting, they can have George Lucas, and Francis Ford Coppola, and others geniuses at the top secret meeting.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 25, 2023, 03:17:00 PM
This is a big fucking deal.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/24/world/europe/russia-protests-putin.html

Putin has fans all over the world.
People love him, love his evil work.
Russians far and wide love him.
Now that Putin's energy sales have slumped he has lost a lot of his global power. Good, time to punish him and Russians in Russia.
Maybe when Russians are eating grass they might not love their evil masters so much...Putin is only one man, he obviously has many evil friends.

"Victoria police detain spectators after they unfurled Russian flags featuring Vladimir Putin's face" (at the Australian Tennis Open).

Well there you go.
Immigration cops should be called in.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 26, 2023, 07:04:46 PM
What's being done now isn't working.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on January 27, 2023, 12:22:57 AM
What's being done now isn't working.

That is why the Ruzzians need to turn around and go home back to their failing federation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 27, 2023, 03:48:54 AM
What's being done now isn't working.

Russia is winning the war, slowly but surely turning Ukraine into rubble.
Finally Ukraine is getting more powerful weapons...the anks it ask for.
US is to supply some.
Any US allies/NATO countries not doing so should be asked the question "why not"?

That is why the Ruzzians need to turn around and go home back to their failing federation.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on January 29, 2023, 02:42:49 PM
http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU (http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU)

A big job remains ahead.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 03, 2023, 12:17:46 PM
http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU (http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU)

A big job remains ahead.

Indeed.
US to supply Ukraine with long range missiles.
Russia is set to destroy Ukraine with a massive new attack on Feb 23 or 24.
Emboldened Putin is now threatening to punish the west.
The west/Europe are to increase sanctions on Russia.
...so my tv news reported yesterday.
Not enough, Russia just laughs at sanctions.
Time for Ukraine to fire long range missiles into Russia, it's Ukraine's only hope.

*
Same news reported that war with China is only 2 years away.
Crank up the nukes, war with China is coming.

That Chinese spy balloon over America, that blew in on the wind like the Japanese bomb balloons in WW2, that killed people in Oregon (there is a monument), could be scoping out the best places for a sea invasion by its millions of troops.
Goose-stepping troops...every night the might of China's miltary is shown on my tv.
My Sky News to have a program on Feb 15 "Are We Ready For War"?

How come the spy balloon was just allowed to invade US airspace undetected?
Does radar need improving?
What if...100 Chinese nuke bomb balloons float in one night under the cover of darkness?
Time to develop a counter plan for that...to destroy the bomb balloons at sea.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 03, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU (http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU)

A big job remains ahead.

Indeed.
US to supply Ukraine with long range missiles.
Russia is set to destroy Ukraine with a massive new attack on Feb 23 or 24.
Emboldened Putin is now threatening to punish the west.
The west/Europe are to increase sanctions on Russia.
...so my tv news reported yesterday.
Not enough, Russia just laughs at sanctions.
Time for Ukraine to fire long range missiles into Russia, it's Ukraine's only hope.

*
Same news reported that war with China is only 2 years away.
Crank up the nukes, war with China is coming.

That Chinese spy balloon over America, that blew in on the wind like the Japanese bomb balloons in WW2, that killed people in Oregon (there is a monument), could be scoping out the best places for a sea invasion by its millions of troops.
Goose-stepping troops...every night the might of China's miltary is shown on my tv.
My Sky News to have a program on Feb 15 "Are We Ready For War"?

How come the spy balloon was just allowed to invade US airspace undetected?
Does radar need improving?
What if...100 Chinese nuke bomb balloons float in one night under the cover of darkness?
Time to develop a counter plan for that...to destroy the bomb balloons at sea.

US intel estimates Russians KIA at nearly 200,000

Putin army is cannon fodder

China nukes us mainland while us subs at sea.

Everyone around the world dies
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 03, 2023, 03:26:32 PM
We could not win in Vietnam or Afghanistan, no more wars please.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 03, 2023, 03:38:39 PM
We could not win in Vietnam or Afghanistan, no more wars please.

Putin needs to be kept in check.

Folks forget we did the same thing f9r the Soviets against Hitler that we are doing right now in Ukraine.

Sending weapons and munitions for 2 years.

WWII started in 1939 we didn
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 03, 2023, 03:48:37 PM
...or China invades Taiwan with conventional weapons, and "not our war" Europe casually observes but only promises to send weapons to Taiwan, China's new best friend India does nothing (the luxury one has if nuke armed), and Washington, not wanting to start a nuclear war (and the People screaming "no" to getting involved) only promises to send weapons as with Ukraine.
 Taiwan fights bravely but is quickly beaten and integrated into China.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 05, 2023, 04:01:59 PM
http://youtu.be/Qj9HD8MdAFs (http://youtu.be/Qj9HD8MdAFs)

A corollary effect of this is that China becomes a lot less likely to invade anyone anytime soon.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 12, 2023, 01:12:12 PM
This Wed 7.30pm on my Sky News....skynews.com.au
...a program: "Are We Ready For War (with China)?"
 The answer of course is NO!
Because while everyone else (US, UK, France, China, Russia, India, Pakistan, Israel?, Iran? were arming themselves with nuclear weapons, dumb politicians in Australia went around signing nuclear
non-proliferation treaties...and basically leaving the nation defenceless.
The might of China's military shown in terriying detail.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 12, 2023, 01:40:34 PM
We could not win in Vietnam or Afghanistan, no more wars please.

You cannot win a war with just guns, we cannot make people love us by killing them. We need to be strong and we need to be able to kill bad people, but at the same time we need to work on the things that bring lasting peace, and which prevent wars to begin with.

And in Japan, we went in and MacArthur wrote a whole new constitution for Japan, and we still have troops in Japan, we have troops in Germany too right now, and we totally rebuilt Germany.

If we went into Afghanistan and if we totally rebuilt their nation and if we brought in teachers and missionaries, and if we taught them business like the Japanese, the Japanese will work themselves to death, the Japanese love business, and if we remained in Afghanistan permanently, like in Japan, then we would have won in Afghanistan.

And now the Japanese own Sony Studios here in Hollywood, and we allow the Japanese to participate in our Entertainment Industry. When I worked at Universal it was owned by the Japanese.

Winning wars is about more than just weapons and killing people. We need teachers, and preachers, and business leaders, etc, etc, etc.

And the people of Afghanistan have never had a free Democratic Government, it was silly to try to expect them to do it all themselves, they needed teachers, and they needed helpers, they needed a great helper like MacArthur to help them, they needed high level educated people to guide and teach them, and for business leaders to go in and to employ them and to teach them business, etc.

And during times of peace we need to do things to expand the peace and to improve peaceful relations around the world.

On the issue of Russia, we need for the good people to take control of Russia, we have good friends and allies in Russia from the Ballet, and from Theatre, etc, we need for the good people to rise up and take control of Russia, and then we need to support the good people.

The same thing in Iran, we need to support Mahlagha Jaberi and others as they work to create a new and improved Iran with improved human rights, the revolution has already started in Iran.

We can win wars peacefully, if we are wise, and we can win their hearts and minds, and we can turn enemies into allies as we have done with the Germans and with the Japanese.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 13, 2023, 01:00:07 AM
http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU (http://youtu.be/V9xQf8LQgCU)

A big job remains ahead.

Indeed.
US to supply Ukraine with long range missiles.
Russia is set to destroy Ukraine with a massive new attack on Feb 23 or 24.
Emboldened Putin is now threatening to punish the west.
The west/Europe are to increase sanctions on Russia.
...so my tv news reported yesterday.
Not enough, Russia just laughs at sanctions.
Time for Ukraine to fire long range missiles into Russia, it's Ukraine's only hope.

*
Same news reported that war with China is only 2 years away.
Crank up the nukes, war with China is coming.

That Chinese spy balloon over America, that blew in on the wind like the Japanese bomb balloons in WW2, that killed people in Oregon (there is a monument), could be scoping out the best places for a sea invasion by its millions of troops.
Goose-stepping troops...every night the might of China's miltary is shown on my tv.
My Sky News to have a program on Feb 15 "Are We Ready For War"?

How come the spy balloon was just allowed to invade US airspace undetected?
Does radar need improving?
What if...100 Chinese nuke bomb balloons float in one night under the cover of darkness?
Time to develop a counter plan for that...to destroy the bomb balloons at sea.

US intel estimates Russians KIA at nearly 200,000

Putin army is cannon fodder

China nukes us mainland while us subs at sea.

Everyone around the world dies

Seems about correct.
Gee I'm happy I didn't give up Coke, some white bread, chocolates, pizza etc, and always being comfortable to live a lot longer.

Washington should send the Chinese people an email telling them that if their leader and cohorts fire nukes at anyone, they and their kids will cease to exist.
That they won't be attending any victory parties.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 13, 2023, 09:33:18 PM
Putin afraid to travel by air
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 16, 2023, 12:50:29 PM
https://archive.is/PlPTS

NYT report on latest battlefield failure for Russia.

фук путин

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 18, 2023, 04:33:34 PM
Diferent from WWII everyone is prepared and armed. Only way someone wins is if everybody(humankind)loses. Right now Ukraine is rubble and Russia is a total fiscal mess. Where is Putin going? Crazy fascist bastard just like the last one.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 19, 2023, 12:28:05 PM
Putin is par for any so-called leader with an anti-immigrant platform.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 20, 2023, 10:26:10 PM
The Russian Bear has discovered how hard it is to swallow a porcupine.

Putin is learning a hard lesson from the tougher than expected resistance mounted by Ukraine:

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mike Tyson

This post aged pretty well.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 21, 2023, 12:30:48 PM
If you believe some of the reports, China is about to help Putin and Russia more, big time...get into their bed and under the covers, very cosy, beyond the help it's now giving them...buying energy etc.


 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 21, 2023, 04:56:29 PM
What reports are those?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 21, 2023, 05:03:14 PM
The Russian Bear has discovered how hard it is to swallow a porcupine.

Putin is learning a hard lesson from the tougher than expected resistance mounted by Ukraine:

Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.

Mike Tyson

This post aged pretty well.

Yes.  And the porcupine is being trained to use more advanced quills. 

And Russian strategy and military structure is really poor.  It's like they have a chronic learning disability.  Ukrainians otoh learn, adapt, improvise, and benefit from the greater autonomy of units.  Future militaries will be studying them for a long time to come.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 22, 2023, 08:46:41 PM
"China and Russia reaffirm close ties as Putin meets top diplomat."
Judging by the video I saw on tv...Putin is now China's b.....!
Putin sure looked subserviant...."grovelling" is a word some people might use.
A suggestion was made that "China doesn't was the US being able to concentrate solely on Indo Pacific".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 22, 2023, 09:45:18 PM
What reports are those?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/19/world/europe/us-china-weapons-russia-ukraine.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/19/world/europe/us-china-weapons-russia-ukraine.html)

Thanks, B.

Here's a screenshot for any paywall hitters:

https://archive.is/xrUnU

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 23, 2023, 09:40:34 PM
Patrick Wintour Diplomatic Editor,
The Guardian.

The German foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, clashed with Chinese diplomats on Thursday, passionately rejecting their claim that the west was adding fuel to the fire by arming Ukraine.

#####

Go Annalena!

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 23, 2023, 09:45:01 PM
cont'd:

Baerbock said it was time for China to tell Russia to stop its aggression.

#####

Indeed it is!


At the UN...

China intervened to present itself as above the conflict by proposing a catalogue of measures: a ceasefire, dialogue, security guarantees for Russia, protection of civilians and the upholding of territorial integrity.

#####

Mmm, wonder what China was doing when Russia was blowing up all those civilians, turning them into corpses and maiming others for life.
Ceasefire is a good idea, with Russia packing up and leaving Ukraine permanently...no coming back in 6 months time for another invasion.
Putin retires to "spend more time with his family", more than many Ukrainians can do since his invasion slaughtered their families.
China contributes to the rebuilding of Ukraine.
West arms Ukraine with all the latest weapons, just in case.
Ukraine joins NATO. That should be fine, because Russia wouldn't be invading again, would it?


______________________________________

There's no such thing as too much security.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 24, 2023, 12:41:48 AM
Putins Chef is cooking up division among the Oligarchs


https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2023/02/23/wagner-group-leader-photo-russian-soldiers-dead-james-spider-marks-sot-eboj-vpx.cnn
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 24, 2023, 09:35:05 AM

China intervened to present itself as above the conflict by proposing a catalogue of measures...and the upholding of territorial integrity.



Whatever that means.  China is threading a very tiny needle, trying to stay tight with Russia while pressing them to get out of Ukraine. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 24, 2023, 05:00:48 PM
We cannot drive out darkness with more darkness, we need to bring in some light.

We need to change how the Russians think and feel, and then we can change how they behave.

Right now the Russians need to understand that if they fight for Putin then they are just behaving as cannon fodder for a mad man, there is no future in Putin's vision, and thus the Russians are just giving their lives for nothing, Putin is not worth dying for. That is what we need to teach to the Russians.

And we need to give the Russians a better alternative to Putin to support, like Poland had Lech Walesa. We need to have a plan that can succeed. Putin will never succeed, we need to convince the Russians that Putin is a lost cause, and we need to give the Russians a better leader to support. We need to have a plan for success and the Russians need for a successful and peaceful leader to replace Putin. We need to convince the Russians that it would be better for everyone if Russia had a new leader and if we could have peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 24, 2023, 05:38:35 PM
Russia needs to lose to the point where it cannot keep troops in Ukraine at all.

Ukraine needs to keep frustrating Russian attacks while the ground is soupy and degrading back line command and supply. At the same time they need to be positioning their resources for the firming of the terrain.

From the tempo it seems Ukraine is feeling increased confidence about its artillery ammunition supply. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 24, 2023, 05:59:30 PM
We cannot drive out darkness with more darkness, we need to bring in some light.

We need to change how the Russians think and feel, and then we can change how they behave.

Right now the Russians need to understand that if they fight for Putin then they are just behaving as cannon fodder for a mad man, there is no future in Putin's vision, and thus the Russians are just giving their lives for nothing, Putin is not worth dying for. That is what we need to teach to the Russians.

And we need to give the Russians a better alternative to Putin to support, like Poland had Lech Walesa. We need to have a plan that can succeed. Putin will never succeed, we need to convince the Russians that Putin is a lost cause, and we need to give the Russians a better leader to support. We need to have a plan for success and the Russians need for a successful and peaceful leader to replace Putin. We need to convince the Russians that it would be better for everyone if Russia had a new leader and if we could have peace and prosperity.

Salute,

Tony V.

Tell all of that to the MAGA Republicans who are backing Putin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 06, 2023, 11:09:49 AM
The West, in particular Europe, just didn't seem to care enough, and do enough soon enough to save Ukraine:

After seven months of bitter fighting, the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut looks likely to finally fall to Russian forces in the coming days.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 09, 2023, 02:37:59 AM
Trump says he can end the war in Ukraine in one day...if re-elected President.
He also says he can prevent WW3.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 09, 2023, 03:00:44 AM
Trump says he can end the war in Ukraine in one day...if re-elected President.
He also says he can prevent WW3.

I really tried to like Trump. I had a friend who lived in the building when I watched the door for Suzanne Pleshette at Empire West in Hollywood, his name was Norby Walters, and he was friends with Trump, there is a picture of Trump at Norby's Oscar party "Night of 100 Stars" on the web. I liked Norby, he was a cool guy, and I tried to like Trump. And also I had a Librarian at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts who dated Donald Trump when she was a young actress in New York, she said Trump was a great guy. I really tried to like Trump. But, the whole thing with the wall and the way he bad-mouths Mexico, those of us down here by the border with Mexico love Mexico, and we love the Mexicans. If Trump would have loved Mexico, like President Reagan did, and if he would have made our immigrants legal like Reagan did, and if he expanded trade with Mexico and with Latin America like President George W. Bush wanted to do, then I could support Trump. But, I cannot support anyone who hates Mexico, and I hate walls.

Right now I am thinking that Condoleezza Rice might be our best bet for our next President. We will see who rises to the top.

Salute,

Tony V.





Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 09, 2023, 03:48:19 AM
Here are some thoughts from Condoleezza Rice on Ukraine.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/condoleezza-rice-face-the-nation-interview-vladimir-putin-wrong-ukraine/

We need for the world to come together in support of Ukraine and to continue to support Ukraine as long as it takes until we can get Putin and the Russians to stop this insanity. And I would be sending constant propaganda to the Russian people to try to get them to stop the war.

And we need to find good Russians who we can support after Putin is removed, we need to have a vision of what success would look like after we stop Putin.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 09, 2023, 10:43:41 AM
Trump says he can end the war in Ukraine in one day...if re-elected President.
He also says he can prevent WW3.
Normally when he lies about being able to do something be gives himself a week.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 09, 2023, 04:23:39 PM
Trump says he can end the war in Ukraine in one day...if re-elected President.
He also says he can prevent WW3.

I really tried to like Trump. I had a friend who lived in the building when I watched the door for Suzanne Pleshette at Empire West in Hollywood, his name was Norby Walters, and he was friends with Trump, there is a picture of Trump at Norby's Oscar party "Night of 100 Stars" on the web. I liked Norby, he was a cool guy, and I tried to like Trump. And also I had a Librarian at the American Academy of Dramatic Arts who dated Donald Trump when she was a young actress in New York, she said Trump was a great guy. I really tried to like Trump. But, the whole thing with the wall and the way he bad-mouths Mexico, those of us down here by the border with Mexico love Mexico, and we love the Mexicans. If Trump would have loved Mexico, like President Reagan did, and if he would have made our immigrants legal like Reagan did, and if he expanded trade with Mexico and with Latin America like President George W. Bush wanted to do, then I could support Trump. But, I cannot support anyone who hates Mexico, and I hate walls.

Right now I am thinking that Condoleezza Rice might be our best bet for our next President. We will see who rises to the top.

Salute,

Tony V.

I was the A/V manager for a company that contracted with the Grand Hyatt hotel. Ivana Trump was the GM and The Donald was the owner.

There was controversy over whom wa the bigger asshole.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 13, 2023, 02:32:00 PM
Russia is bullying Ireland again.
Neutral Ireland (what on earth does Ireland think it's doing being neutral?)...is thinking of providing Ukraine with de-mining training.
Russia says that if Ireland provides any assistance to Ukraine then Ireland will have entered the war.
Non-NATO Ireland doesn't have a defence alliance with America.
Surely not, could be an Irish joke.
Ireland could easily find itself the next country Russia invades.
It would then find itself in exactly the same position as Ukraine, blown to bits.
If Ireland knows what's good for it it will join NATO ...  today.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 13, 2023, 06:59:09 PM
Ireland could easily find itself the next country Russia invades.
I think you underestimate the logistics.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 13, 2023, 08:37:44 PM
Ireland could easily find itself the next country Russia invades.
I think you underestimate the logistics.
  Even Hitler had no real plans to invade Ireland. Though that might have been because he and de Valera (and Hyde) were kind of chummy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on March 13, 2023, 09:19:49 PM
Ireland could easily find itself the next country Russia invades.
I think you underestimate the logistics.

You mentioned a post here reminding of a Dudley Moore Peter Cook sketch...well, I find this sort of exchange capturing some of that absurdist comedic spirit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 14, 2023, 04:25:51 PM
Ron DeSanits is a Russian asset.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 14, 2023, 04:39:31 PM
UN seems to be a Russian toy these days...time for the US and its allies to leave.
That way they could give to Ukraine the weapons and ammo they confiscated that were
 en route from Iran to Yemen.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 14, 2023, 06:06:23 PM
Ron DeSanits is a Russian asset.

Yup. He is another republican dirty bomb.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 16, 2023, 06:14:18 PM
Now Putin is quoted as saying that the only way Russia can win the war is to nuke Kyiv.

Stand by for Russia to do just that...Putin's "little nuke to destroy Kyiv"".

Russia rules the world via its ruling of the UN.
Now its claiming the Black Sea as its own.

Putin-Russia will nuke Kyiv...and what will the West do about it?
Nothing, what could it do, in reality, without starting a nuclear world war.
Best to hurry up and get Ukraine loaded up with stacks of the latest missile launchers, tanks, planes, long range missiles etc to take out those Iranian drones and destroy Russia's military.
Ukraine should be sent some 'million rounds a minute' machine guns that Brisbane grocer invented...able to shred tall buildings!
Good for killing Russian troops also.
They are the enemy, soldiers of evil [even if they're young conscripts who don't want to be there].



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on March 16, 2023, 06:52:47 PM

Putin-Russia will nuke Kyiv...

You're cute when you hyperventilate, Nostradamus. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 16, 2023, 07:07:08 PM
Now Putin is quoted as saying that the only way Russia can win the war is to nuke Kyiv.

Stand by for Russia to do just that...Putin's "little nuke to destroy Kyiv"".

Russia rules the world via its ruling of the UN.
Now its claiming the Black Sea as its own.

Putin-Russia will nuke Kyiv...and what will the West do about it?
Nothing, what could it do, in reality, without starting a nuclear world war.
Best to hurry up and get Ukraine loaded up with stacks of the latest missile launchers, tanks, planes, long range missiles etc to take out those Iranian drones and destroy Russia's military.
Ukraine should be sent some 'million rounds a minute' machine guns that Brisbane grocer invented...able to shred tall buildings!
Good for killing Russian troops also.
They are the enemy, soldiers of evil [even if they're young conscripts who don't want to be there].

Relax, boo.

Weed will soon be legal for ya.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 16, 2023, 08:04:10 PM

Putin-Russia will nuke Kyiv...

You're cute when you hyperventilate, Nostradamus.
Putin does not have to nuke Kyiv, at least not until he sees whether one of the surrender monkeys running as Repos for president wins.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 16, 2023, 08:18:17 PM
Speaking of surrender monkeys.

Of course, this may have been DeSantis intent. He may well be trying to sound like an ill-informed isolationist, because he is trying to capture the MAGA voters who now support Trump. The former president is the undisputed world heavyweight champion of ignorant views, and if you are going to take him on, you had better have some stunningly ignorant views of your own to bring to the table. That is what the Republican base wants.

https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2023/03/desantis-ukraine-maga-trump/673424/

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on March 17, 2023, 09:48:33 AM
Finally Ukies are getting some Jet planes. War is going to be over in a hurry.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 17, 2023, 08:36:11 PM
The President of China is going to Russia to talk with Putin and to make the peace.

I had a roommate who was the daughter of a Chinese General, and I made peace with her, and I like the Chinese.

So, I hope that the President of China can make the peace in Ukraine.

I also support Pope Francis in his plead for peace.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 18, 2023, 10:27:59 PM
Time to kick Germany out of NATO?

Fox News;

Germany has been very slow to reach into its wallet and contribute money and weapons to Ukraine in the fight against Russia.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 19, 2023, 12:15:53 AM
Seek therapy though it is probably far too late for you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 20, 2023, 03:10:43 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/20/eu-deal-supply-ukraine-ammunition (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/mar/20/eu-deal-supply-ukraine-ammunition)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 20, 2023, 09:40:36 PM
I sent a message to Pope Francis telling him that I pray for peace, and that we need for the Pope to enter the peace talks soon, along with Ukraine and with the USA, and with the whole United Nations as we all plead for peace.

Then, as peace is declared then the World Bank is ready to go in and start helping to rebuild Ukraine immediately.

And Kiwanis International is global, and Kiwanis is there to help the people of Ukraine and all children and people in need.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2023, 04:04:43 AM
On my tv news just now:
"Russia launches new missile and drone attacks in Ukraine's north".

Where are all the missiles the West has promised Ukraine?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 23, 2023, 04:55:11 PM
We need to send the Iron Dome system to Ukraine, with some modified F-104 Starfighters with Sidewinder Missiles to shoot down Enemy Missiles, etc, once Ukraine air space is protected then it will stop Putin from attacking from the air. ( Ukraine needs to remember that you need to modify the F-104 Starfighters, you need to vector the thrust on the F104 Starfighter in order to improve the steering and to help it to pull out of spins, and you need to add modern technology to the F-104, but then after it is modified then there is nothing that can go to height and speed faster than the modified F-104 Starfighter in order to shoot down Enemy Missiles. )

And we need to keep talking Peace, we need for China, and the Pope, and the King of Spain, and for the United States, and for the whole United Nations to plead for Peace in Ukraine.

And Bambu, Australia would be a good safe place for the refugees from Ukraine, Australia should welcome them. And there is also Kiwanis to help the refugees and Kiwanis is a global organization.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 23, 2023, 05:13:11 PM
Good news, Bambi. Whatever plans China had for Australia have been put off till China has gotten a good start on swallowing Siberia.

That should buy you a couple of decades at least to decide how you are going to make nice with your Pacific neighbor.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 24, 2023, 04:39:46 PM
On morale,

http://youtu.be/bWtCsmSXjvM (http://youtu.be/bWtCsmSXjvM)

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 24, 2023, 04:55:19 PM
Good news, Bambi. Whatever plans China had for Australia have been put off till China has gotten a good start on swallowing Siberia.

That should buy you a couple of decades at least to decide how you are going to make nice with your Pacific neighbor.

My military, national security etc experts say 5 years...we'll be at war with China within 5 years.
We need allies, nuke-armed allies, parking/rotating their mighty weapons on our soil and in our ports/waters.
China, particularly its people, must be made understand that China is not going to just be allowed to waltz into Taiwan, Australia etc and take them as their own...without major opposition and millions of its people dying.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 24, 2023, 05:00:09 PM
The pending absence of a government in Russia is going to shift that timetable.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 24, 2023, 05:33:17 PM
Reuters;
March 22 2023

Russians reluctantly embrace Chinese cars after Western brands depart.

#####

Well that's what happens when you go invading other countries.

____________
************

Reuters:

March 22 2023

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-australia-defence-officials-hold-first-formal-meeting-since-2019-2023-03-22/ (https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-australia-defence-officials-hold-first-formal-meeting-since-2019-2023-03-22/)

The talks were helpful in developing a stable relationship between their militaries, the Chinese defence ministry said, and further enhanced mutual understanding.

#####

Well that's nice, 'mutual understanding' is good to have.

Marvelous what some giant US bombers, British and American nuke subs parked in ports, and AUKUS nuke subs purchasing can do for 'mutual understanding'.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2023, 05:46:20 PM
Good news, Bambi. Whatever plans China had for Australia have been put off till China has gotten a good start on swallowing Siberia.

That should buy you a couple of decades at least to decide how you are going to make nice with your Pacific neighbor.

My military, national security etc experts say 5 years...we'll be at war with China within 5 years.
We need allies, nuke-armed allies, parking/rotating their mighty weapons on our soil and in our ports/waters.
China, particularly its people, must be made understand that China is not going to just be allowed to waltz into Taiwan, Australia etc and take them as their own...without major opposition and millions of its people dying.
Why would China want to go to war with Australia? They want you buying their shit, you cannot do that if you are dead. They would gain nothing in a war. The "experts" are trying to scare you for their own purposes and you are a stupid, frightened, upside down little rabbit.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 24, 2023, 06:35:03 PM
Good news, Bambi. Whatever plans China had for Australia have been put off till China has gotten a good start on swallowing Siberia.

That should buy you a couple of decades at least to decide how you are going to make nice with your Pacific neighbor.

My military, national security etc experts say 5 years...we'll be at war with China within 5 years.
We need allies, nuke-armed allies, parking/rotating their mighty weapons on our soil and in our ports/waters.
China, particularly its people, must be made understand that China is not going to just be allowed to waltz into Taiwan, Australia etc and take them as their own...without major opposition and millions of its people dying.
Why would China want to go to war with Australia? They want you buying their shit, you cannot do that if you are dead. They would gain nothing in a war. The "experts" are trying to scare you for their own purposes and you are a stupid, frightened, upside down little rabbit.

Why?
Because without powerful allies Australia could be invaded and captured by China very quickly.
Then all the uranium, gold, coal, iron ore, land, many thousnds of large working farms to feed China, etc would be China's.
Without help, it would be a "massacre"...the population enslaved
Some in the world would no doubt cheer.
I'd have to jump into the billabong and join the swagman, being a slave of China is not on my bucket list.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on March 24, 2023, 07:10:30 PM
More bong than billabong in that post.

And you seem unfamiliar with the concept of a client state.

More likely than invasion/war is that you would become a client state the way that the Philippines under Marcos were a US client state.  Or Warsaw Pact countries, during the Soviet Era, were USSR client states.  And even that no bullets option is less likely given your western allies. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 24, 2023, 07:56:19 PM
Good news, Bambi. Whatever plans China had for Australia have been put off till China has gotten a good start on swallowing Siberia.

That should buy you a couple of decades at least to decide how you are going to make nice with your Pacific neighbor.

My military, national security etc experts say 5 years...we'll be at war with China within 5 years.
We need allies, nuke-armed allies, parking/rotating their mighty weapons on our soil and in our ports/waters.
China, particularly its people, must be made understand that China is not going to just be allowed to waltz into Taiwan, Australia etc and take them as their own...without major opposition and millions of its people dying.
Why would China want to go to war with Australia? They want you buying their shit, you cannot do that if you are dead. They would gain nothing in a war. The "experts" are trying to scare you for their own purposes and you are a stupid, frightened, upside down little rabbit.

Why?
Because without powerful allies Australia could be invaded and captured by China very quickly.
Then all the uranium, gold, coal, iron ore, land, many thousnds of large working farms to feed China, etc would be China's.
Without help, it would be a "massacre"...the population enslaved
Some in the world would no doubt cheer.
I'd have to jump into the billabong and join the swagman, being a slave of China is not on my bucket list.
Try not to be an idiot if that is 3ven within the realm of possibility. Slaves do not buy shit and as long as the can purchase raw materials it is not worth the expenditure of blood and treasure to go to war for it. Someone wants you to have your scrotum tighten at the mention of China and it is working.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 24, 2023, 07:59:39 PM
Good news, Bambi. Whatever plans China had for Australia have been put off till China has gotten a good start on swallowing Siberia.

That should buy you a couple of decades at least to decide how you are going to make nice with your Pacific neighbor.

My military, national security etc experts say 5 years...we'll be at war with China within 5 years.
We need allies, nuke-armed allies, parking/rotating their mighty weapons on our soil and in our ports/waters.
China, particularly its people, must be made understand that China is not going to just be allowed to waltz into Taiwan, Australia etc and take them as their own...without major opposition and millions of its people dying.
Why would China want to go to war with Australia? They want you buying their shit, you cannot do that if you are dead. They would gain nothing in a war. The "experts" are trying to scare you for their own purposes and you are a stupid, frightened, upside down little rabbit.

Why?
Because without powerful allies Australia could be invaded and captured by China very quickly.
Then all the uranium, gold, coal, iron ore, land, many thousnds of large working farms to feed China, etc would be China's.
Without help, it would be a "massacre"...the population enslaved
Some in the world would no doubt cheer.
I'd have to jump into the billabong and join the swagman, being a slave of China is not on my bucket list.
Try not to be an idiot if that is 3ven within the realm of possibility. Slaves do not buy shit and as long as the can purchase raw materials it is not worth the expenditure of blood and treasure to go to war for it. Someone wants you to have your scrotum tighten at the mention of China and it is working.

Yellow peril and all that
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 27, 2023, 06:22:28 AM
1hr ago;

China has been caught sending weapons and armor to Russia

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 27, 2023, 06:24:05 AM
Politico reporters ........ revealed that Chinese companies shipped weapons and other pieces of vital equipment to "Russian entities" via Turkey and the United Arab Emirates between June and December 2022.

#####

Well there you go.
Many people are likely not shocked.

_______________

Yesterday;

"Russia does deal to set up tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus."
Cute, then the retaliatory ones with blow up Belarus not Russia.

They could be the 'small ones' Putin is threatening to fire at Kyiv, then wherever next.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 27, 2023, 10:49:14 AM
Politico reporters ........ revealed that Chinese companies shipped weapons and other pieces of vital equipment to "Russian entities" via Turkey and the United Arab Emirates between June and December 2022.

#####

Well there you go.
Many people are likely not shocked.

_______________

Yesterday;

"Russia does deal to set up tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus."
Cute, then the retaliatory ones with blow up Belarus not Russia.

They could be the 'small ones' Putin is threatening to fire at Kyiv, then wherever next.

It makes no difference where the nukes are based. It is a PR move designed to make folks like you wet their diapers.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 27, 2023, 12:49:03 PM
A Buddy of mine thinks that all of the problems in the world can be solved with money. The problems with Russia, and any other problem, my friend thinks money can solve all of the problems.

Way back when the crisis first started unfolding I was sending ideas to the World Bank, the World Bank is very powerful.

And Russia is a poor nation full of starving people right now. Money is very powerful in Russia right now.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 27, 2023, 11:55:05 PM




In time for spring.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/27/world/russia-ukraine-news
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 31, 2023, 06:19:47 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/3/31/2161144/-Quick-Explainer-Russian-Defensive-Doctrine-and-Tactical-Breach-basics-or-why-Tanks-will-be-key (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/3/31/2161144/-Quick-Explainer-Russian-Defensive-Doctrine-and-Tactical-Breach-basics-or-why-Tanks-will-be-key)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on April 04, 2023, 12:26:43 AM
Russia intended to halt NATO expansion.

How is that working out for you, Vlad?


https://apnews.com/article/nato-finland-ukraine-b056e7e0f12520e85ea2d81cd30eabc9
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 04, 2023, 01:13:07 PM
Russia intended to halt NATO expansion.

How is that working out for you, Vlad?


https://apnews.com/article/nato-finland-ukraine-b056e7e0f12520e85ea2d81cd30eabc9

Yeeesssss!

Kind of makes up for the loss of Sanna Marin as PM.  But maybe a gorgeous party animal can find other ways to serve, between the raves and bacchanals. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 05, 2023, 06:33:44 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/5/2159714/-A-Russian-Analysis-of-the-War-to-date-Russia-s-mistakes-and-the-Upcoming-Ukrainian-Offensive (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/5/2159714/-A-Russian-Analysis-of-the-War-to-date-Russia-s-mistakes-and-the-Upcoming-Ukrainian-Offensive)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 12, 2023, 11:21:52 AM
No way is China invading Austrailia or even Taiwan. Without western markets their economy goes down the drain.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 12, 2023, 12:13:03 PM
No way is China invading Austrailia or even Taiwan. Without western markets their economy goes down the drain.

But if they owned all the western markets they would just live a good life being self-sufficient.
The other day China released a blueprint, complete with a model, for its invasion of Taiwan, should it happen.
Basically, missiles would be launched from multiple places in China, turning  Taiwan into a smouldering wreck.
All shown on my tv news.
The only way China won't invade Australia is if it knows that doing so would result in a massive response by the "all for one and one for all" global Western community/gang.
That gang is not yet secured, solid, tight.
France and Europe seem to be waning in support.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 12, 2023, 12:54:32 PM
French President Macron visited China recently.

npr dot org
April 11 2023

Macron comments raise questions about Europe's allegiance to the US and Taiwan.

French President Emmanuel Macron drew consternation on both sides of the Atlantic with a recent interview in which he questioned Europe's allegiance to the United States.

Macron spoke to journalists from 'Politico Europe' and the French newspaper 'Les Echos', saying that "the great risk" Europe faces is that it "gets caught up in crises that are not ours, which prevents it from building its strategic autonomy", especially when it comes to the US's escalating tensions with China over Taiwan.

etc
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on April 12, 2023, 02:39:28 PM
Cold war paranoia. No more gulf of tonkin or yellow peril, please.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 12, 2023, 05:19:58 PM
Cold war paranoia. No more gulf of tonkin or yellow peril, please.

Chinese President Xi said that Taiwan will be returning to the ownership of China, by force if necessary.
Fair warning...the West must be prepared.
The Russian invasion of Ukraine is not fantasy...it's very real.
Unwise to think that China, with now "the biggest and best military in the world today" according to some, won't invade Taiwan, then Australia etc.
China is bursting at the seams, needs more land...just down the sea road is Australia, land nearly the size of mainland America, and only 26 million population...and basically defenceless.
China would soon turn the Outback into the Inback, pipe water from where it is to where it is not, and build desalination plants everywhere.
Chinese warships are already cruising along Australia's coast...why?


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on April 12, 2023, 05:53:57 PM
No way is China invading Austrailia or even Taiwan. Without western markets their economy goes down the drain.

Yep.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 12, 2023, 06:02:56 PM
You don't have to have a Harvard degree to know what saber-rattling is and the purpose of it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 21, 2023, 02:02:15 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/04/21/belgorod-russia-bombed-own-city/

How successfully did you suppress laughter?  Scale of one to ten.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 21, 2023, 06:05:44 PM
No way is China invading Austrailia or even Taiwan. Without western markets their economy goes down the drain.

On my tv news last night was shown...Chinese troops training for the land invasion of Taiwan.
That's what the news said.

China now reportedly has the biggest and best military in the world...and US generals have warned about China's superiority in tne space race and seeming space weaponry...[maybe a large ray gun as shown in "Under Siege 2"...could be].

Xi is threatening war, and said China will take Taiwan, by force if necessary.
Taiwanese politician said "Australia could be next [after Taiwan]".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 21, 2023, 07:20:44 PM
No way is China invading Austrailia or even Taiwan. Without western markets their economy goes down the drain.

On my tv news last night was shown...Chinese troops training for the land invasion of Taiwan.
That's what the news said.

China now reportedly has the biggest and best military in the world...and US generals have warned about China's superiority in tne space race and seeming space weaponry...[maybe a large ray gun as shown in "Under Siege 2"...could be].

Xi is threatening war, and said China will take Taiwan, by force if necessary.
Taiwanese politician said "Australia could be next [after Taiwan]".
Fear is a great motivator and you have once again wet yourself on cue.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 22, 2023, 01:36:39 AM
http://www.thebulwark.com/putins-reign-of-terror-russia/ (http://www.thebulwark.com/putins-reign-of-terror-russia/)

Here is the road map Ron DeSantis is trying to follow. Thankfully trump was too dumb and too nakedly grifty to get his hooks in that deep.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 22, 2023, 09:24:15 PM
http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/22/2165382/-Ukraine-Now-Has-Direct-Access-to-NATO-Stores (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/4/22/2165382/-Ukraine-Now-Has-Direct-Access-to-NATO-Stores)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 24, 2023, 07:58:50 AM
ANZAC Day tomorrow, April 25th.
Dawn services nationwide...so many are attending the Sydney service has to be moved from the CBD to the war memorial.
With China threatening war, the People are saying "here we go again", and now realise we are basically defenceless.
They are demanding a bigger and better military. Very hard to acquire with a small economy.
Australia needs nukes to fire at China if it starts an invasion...the weapons of past wars simply won't work this time.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 24, 2023, 05:49:29 PM
My newspaper today; April 25th

Beijing has accused Australia of making "groundless" claims of China threatening peace and stability in the Indo-Pacific to justify its own military power grab.

China claimed it only pursued a "defensive" national security policy in a scathing response to the federal government's Defence Strategic Review on Monday night, which came after Chinese officials in Canberra received a briefing on the report.

#####

Why?
Well hey, why not just give anyone and everyone details of your military and defence plans.
Why not just give them specifications of all your weapons, and their locations.
Why wasn't this national security review done behind closed doors...not at freakin press conferences and briefings.

Hiding everything from plain sight would be a much better idea.

"None of your business" should be the answer to anyone asking.

One part of the review...buy more missiles and less vehicles.
Great idea.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 25, 2023, 09:46:19 PM
Attended the big 'ANZAC Cup' rugby league footy match in Sydney yesterday.
Nice ceremony beforehand, the fallen and wounded remembered respectfully.

The army band played 'Waltzing Matilda'. Fine rendition.

The national anthems of Australia, and New Zealand were sung.

"Australians all let us rejoice
For we are one and free'...                                     

*

As i sang it...I wondered for how much longer.

I thought to myself...buy nukes, and write on them..."with love from Matilda"

 

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 26, 2023, 12:29:08 AM
You did that via YouTube Im guessing.

This being everywhere all at once stuff is making you wear a little thin around the edges.

It is like school snacks, Bambi. If we gave nukes to you we would have to give them to everybody.

If the Chinese come maybe you could all become boat people. I am sure you would be well received.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 28, 2023, 05:43:20 AM
You did that via YouTube Im guessing.

This being everywhere all at once stuff is making you wear a little thin around the edges.

It is like school snacks, Bambi. If we gave nukes to you we would have to give them to everybody.

If the Chinese come maybe you could all become boat people. I am sure you would be well received.

I attended in person.

*everybody* already has nukes...US, Russia, France, China, Britain, India, Pakistan, Iran soon, Israel already or soon.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 28, 2023, 12:33:43 PM
Attended in person, sure. Go ahead. Pull the other one.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 28, 2023, 02:02:38 PM
You did that via YouTube Im guessing.

This being everywhere all at once stuff is making you wear a little thin around the edges.

It is like school snacks, Bambi. If we gave nukes to you we would have to give them to everybody.

If the Chinese come maybe you could all become boat people. I am sure you would be well received.

I attended in person.

*everybody* already has nukes...US, Russia, France, China, Britain, India, Pakistan, Iran soon, Israel already or soon.
You get scared and piss your pants like you were 2. No one is going to invade you, and not even Randy Newman wants to nuke you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 28, 2023, 06:48:36 PM
Attended in person, sure. Go ahead. Pull the other one.

I/we attend every home game, have done so for many decades.
These days, not if it's pouring rain though, the road trip is too dangerous.
The way to a woman's heart is through her footy team.

"It's never the same unless you're there at the game".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 28, 2023, 07:04:40 PM
You did that via YouTube Im guessing.

This being everywhere all at once stuff is making you wear a little thin around the edges.

It is like school snacks, Bambi. If we gave nukes to you we would have to give them to everybody.

If the Chinese come maybe you could all become boat people. I am sure you would be well received.

I attended in person.

*everybody* already has nukes...US, Russia, France, China, Britain, India, Pakistan, Iran soon, Israel already or soon.
You get scared and piss your pants like you were 2. No one is going to invade you, and not even Randy Newman wants to nuke you.

My govt and particularly the Opposition, Right...believe an invasion is totally possible...which is why it's arming itself with every weapon it can.

Chinese warships cruising along US' east and west coasts within sight of land?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 28, 2023, 07:10:19 PM
The mice are gonna take you out before the Chinese.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 28, 2023, 07:11:21 PM
You did that via YouTube Im guessing.

This being everywhere all at once stuff is making you wear a little thin around the edges.

It is like school snacks, Bambi. If we gave nukes to you we would have to give them to everybody.

If the Chinese come maybe you could all become boat people. I am sure you would be well received.

I attended in person.

*everybody* already has nukes...US, Russia, France, China, Britain, India, Pakistan, Iran soon, Israel already or soon.
You get scared and piss your pants like you were 2. No one is going to invade you, and not even Randy Newman wants to nuke you.

My govt and particularly the Opposition, Right...believe an invasion is totally possible...which is why it's arming itself with every weapon it can.
They are playing on your fear to increase their power. And you are a sap for buying into it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 28, 2023, 09:41:44 PM
You did that via YouTube Im guessing.

This being everywhere all at once stuff is making you wear a little thin around the edges.

It is like school snacks, Bambi. If we gave nukes to you we would have to give them to everybody.

If the Chinese come maybe you could all become boat people. I am sure you would be well received.

I attended in person.

*everybody* already has nukes...US, Russia, France, China, Britain, India, Pakistan, Iran soon, Israel already or soon.
You get scared and piss your pants like you were 2. No one is going to invade you, and not even Randy Newman wants to nuke you.

My govt and particularly the Opposition, Right...believe an invasion is totally possible...which is why it's arming itself with every weapon it can.
They are playing on your fear to increase their power. And you are a sap for buying into it.

The millions of goose-steppers are just like Nazis...the Nazis claimed to be 'peaceful' too...and look how that worked out.

Nobody believed Russia would invade Ukraine.
Ukraine in instructive, and bambuworld is determined not be victimised like that.
Probably all too late, but best to try.
If the COUSANS (Coalition Of US Aligned Nations) lined up against any invaders are very formidable, the invaders might just think twice.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 28, 2023, 11:10:02 PM
Your best bet is to ditch Murdoch. His influence has proven to make countries weaker by backing every grifter junta and fascist influence campaign.

Chum news corp and your shores will be safe for a generation. No nukes needed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 29, 2023, 02:30:53 AM
Just logged into my tablet, to be confronted by this:

"Australia's greatest threat': Canberra must wake up to the dangers of China and Russia's power tandem before it's too late"

by Alex Muraviev   SkyNewsdot comdot au Contributor and Strategic Policy Analyst.

"The Russians and the Chinese are synchronising operational activities of the PLAN Northern and Eastern Fleets and the RUSPAC with an attempt to perform a pincer movement on the US 7th Fleet headquartered in Japan, as well as constrain the Japanese, Taiwanese, and South Korea's naval forces."
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 29, 2023, 02:44:23 AM
You did that via YouTube Im guessing.

This being everywhere all at once stuff is making you wear a little thin around the edges.

It is like school snacks, Bambi. If we gave nukes to you we would have to give them to everybody.

If the Chinese come maybe you could all become boat people. I am sure you would be well received.

I attended in person.

*everybody* already has nukes...US, Russia, France, China, Britain, India, Pakistan, Iran soon, Israel already or soon.
You get scared and piss your pants like you were 2. No one is going to invade you, and not even Randy Newman wants to nuke you.

My govt and particularly the Opposition, Right...believe an invasion is totally possible...which is why it's arming itself with every weapon it can.
They are playing on your fear to increase their power. And you are a sap for buying into it.

They're gonna whack the US 7th Fleet at anchor in Japan..."Pearl Harbour" MK2, seems to me.
That'll be lovely, not, ...then with the US out of the way they'll just take all of Asia Pacific etc for themselves.
Washington needs to get the 7th Fleet out of there and park it Australia, bring nuke- armed subs to protect them, fly in bombers and park them in bambuworld too.
Also crank up the nuke ICBMs and have them ready to fire at a moment's notice.
There'll be no warning, like the Nazis they'll just strike.
They own the UN, so don't worry about war crimes, just whack 'em right back.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 29, 2023, 03:36:06 AM
You are one thoroughly conditioned little monkey. Your trainers did a full job on you.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 29, 2023, 04:46:48 AM
"Joe Biden to visit Australia for 2023 QUAD Leaders' Summit hosted at the Sydney Opera House in May.

Also Prime Ministers of Australia, Japan, & India.

One can never have too many friends/Allies...and never have too much security/defence.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 29, 2023, 04:22:35 PM
I hear he is going there to seize some Russian agents you Ozzies are harboring, some Murdoch family that peddles dirty fake news.

Five eyes is on to their whole criminal network. Sacrificing any number of lip flappers as has been happening in recent days will not save them.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 29, 2023, 08:13:38 PM
I hear he is going there to seize some Russian agents you Ozzies are harboring, some Murdoch family that peddles dirty fake news.

Five eyes is on to their whole criminal network. Sacrificing any number of lip flappers as has been happening in recent days will not save them.

Tucker Carlson will rise again somewhere else.
The Right worldwide is fighting back.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 29, 2023, 10:45:30 PM
We will see Tucker again when he is pinched for child porn.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on April 29, 2023, 11:09:29 PM
Bambuworld not after Tomahawks anymore...according to the Defence Minister..

the government was instead prioritising acquiring HIMARS systems which have proven effective in Ukraine.

Mr Marles said Australia's ultimate ambition was to establish a production line domestically that would manufacture long range strike missiles.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 01, 2023, 01:46:11 PM
I hear he is going there to seize some Russian agents you Ozzies are harboring, some Murdoch family that peddles dirty fake news.

Five eyes is on to their whole criminal network. Sacrificing any number of lip flappers as has been happening in recent days will not save them.

Tucker Carlson will rise again somewhere else.
The Right worldwide is fighting back.

Look to Saint Petersburg in Russia for his re-ascension, just before he falls again from a high rise window.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 01, 2023, 03:33:50 PM
Malcolm Nance interviewed by Steve Schmidt.

These guys could replace Goursich and Thomas when they go to the pen. Each man already makes us a much stronger nation, even though Schmidt only recently discovered the political project he began on was utterly undermined and co-opted by treason.

http://youtu.be/vCBddVKhrio (http://youtu.be/vCBddVKhrio)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 01, 2023, 06:57:15 PM
http://www.vice.com/en/article/v7bdva/maria-lvova-belova-interview (http://www.vice.com/en/article/v7bdva/maria-lvova-belova-interview)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on May 01, 2023, 08:39:51 PM
I hear he is going there to seize some Russian agents you Ozzies are harboring, some Murdoch family that peddles dirty fake news.

Five eyes is on to their whole criminal network. Sacrificing any number of lip flappers as has been happening in recent days will not save them.

Tucker Carlson will rise again somewhere else.
The Right worldwide is fighting back.

Look to Saint Petersburg in Russia for his re-ascension, just before he falls again from a high rise window.

It's how they avoid the expense of severance pay.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 01, 2023, 08:43:04 PM
Megan Kelly is on fire at Sky News....and Youtube.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on May 01, 2023, 08:57:07 PM
Malcolm Nance interviewed by Steve Schmidt.

These guys could replace Goursich and Thomas when they go to the pen. Each man already makes us a much stronger nation, even though Schmidt only recently discovered the political project he began on was utterly undermined and co-opted by treason.

http://youtu.be/vCBddVKhrio (http://youtu.be/vCBddVKhrio)

Nance wrote The Plot to Hack America, an outstanding book on the 2016 election.  Everything I've seen from him is backed by thorough research and documentation.  He's sorta the dream of who a nation wants in their intelligence community.  I disagree about him being qualified for SCOTUS, though...he can do better for a later-in-life career.  😀

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 01, 2023, 09:25:44 PM
Megan Kelly is on fire at Sky News....and Youtube.
I would not piss on her regardless.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 01, 2023, 10:25:46 PM
Megan Kelly is on fire at Sky News....and Youtube.
I would not piss on her regardless.

I like her, she's so truthful...and hard-hitting, exposes the truth while others try to hide it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 01, 2023, 11:06:30 PM
You are saying she cannot stop lying even for long enough to catch her breath. Heard and understood.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 02, 2023, 10:04:26 PM
34 injured as Russia launches 2nd pre-dawn missile attack in 3 days  - SkyNews

About time to let Ukraine start launching pre-dawn missile attacks into Russia.
Tit for Tat...that is only fair.
Anything else is just victimisation of Ukraine and its people.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on May 05, 2023, 09:47:09 AM
Putin Chef threatens to close his catering service:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/05/yevgeniy-prigozhin-wagner-video-pullout/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 05, 2023, 07:22:31 PM
Putin Chef threatens to close his catering service:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/05/yevgeniy-prigozhin-wagner-video-pullout/

Mercenaries fighting for evil, not good, are evil themselves.
The more of them who have no ammo and get killed the better.
Pity any of them are still alive.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 05, 2023, 07:32:01 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wRWCK9zGynA
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on May 10, 2023, 11:23:43 PM
Go and get the money

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/5/10/us-approves-first-transfer-of-seized-russian-funds-to-ukraine
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on May 11, 2023, 03:13:55 PM
Nice.

I also cannot imagine it is to comfortable to be in any Russian defensive line right now.

The key for Ukraine will be determining which troops are set to shoot those retreating from in front of them and to hit those guys first.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on May 26, 2023, 08:47:22 AM
April's cruelest mud is drying out and Ukraine is now opening up its next big can of whup-tush...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/26/sunny-weather-southern-ukraine-suggests-new-fighting-season-has-begun/


Cutting off the land bridge to Crimea will be key to the overall war.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 28, 2023, 04:55:12 AM
April's cruelest mud is drying out and Ukraine is now opening up its next big can of whup-tush...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/26/sunny-weather-southern-ukraine-suggests-new-fighting-season-has-begun/


Cutting off the land bridge to Crimea will be key to the overall war.

Russia is now smashing Kyiv with drones.
Time to smash Russia with missiles.

US is struggling for more cash...time for Europe to step up and fight Russia...or pay the price later on.
Can't expect the US to do it all.
Germany, France, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain etc
Germany owes the world, big time. Time to pay up.
France owes big time the Western Allies who saved it, twice. Time the People of France told Macron a thing or twenty two...and 'marched' to save Ukraine.
The Western Allies need help now, to help Ukraine.
Italy signed up with Hitler, on the side of wrong. Time it stepped up on the side of right, and helped Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on May 28, 2023, 12:58:55 PM
April's cruelest mud is drying out and Ukraine is now opening up its next big can of whup-tush...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/26/sunny-weather-southern-ukraine-suggests-new-fighting-season-has-begun/


Cutting off the land bridge to Crimea will be key to the overall war.

Russia is now smashing Kyiv with drones.
Time to smash Russia with missiles.

US is struggling for more cash...time for Europe to step up and fight Russia...or pay the price later on.
Can't expect the US to do it all.
Germany, France, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain etc
Germany owes the world, big time. Time to pay up.
France owes big time the Western Allies who saved it, twice. Time the People of France told Macron a thing or twenty two...and 'marched' to save Ukraine.
The Western Allies need help now, to help Ukraine.
Italy signed up with Hitler, on the side of wrong. Time it stepped up on the side of right, and helped Ukraine.

Just chill. Russia will eat itself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/27/russia-denunciations-arrests-informants-war/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on May 28, 2023, 02:59:52 PM
And possibly help pay to rebuild Ukraine...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/ukraine-war-costs-putin-seize-russian-assets/674206/

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 28, 2023, 10:43:40 PM
And possibly help pay to rebuild Ukraine...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/05/ukraine-war-costs-putin-seize-russian-assets/674206/

Legal?

Just do it anyway.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on May 30, 2023, 11:15:43 AM
Bringing the war home to Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/drones-hit-several-buildings-moscow-mayor-2023-05-30/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on May 30, 2023, 07:15:22 PM
Bringing the war home to Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/drones-hit-several-buildings-moscow-mayor-2023-05-30/

Well if the bombing of Moscow is terrorism, then surely the bombing of Kyiv etc in Ukraine is exactly the same.
Apparenty the trick is to overwhelm the defences with so many drones at once that the defences can't handle the onslaught.
Like the Apaches did to the invading 'blue coats'. Trouble for the Apaches was that they eventually they ran out of human 'bullets'.


Tis why the massive aircraft carrier USS Gerald Ford has now installed 'giant' lasers, ...as with missile defences the ship would be vulnerable to attack by swarms of small drones at once...apparently.
Also, the lasers just keep on working, no need to go into port to re-stock....and are much cheaper.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 30, 2023, 10:14:07 PM
Bringing the war home to Russia.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/drones-hit-several-buildings-moscow-mayor-2023-05-30/

Well if the bombing of Moscow is terrorism, then surely the bombing of Kyiv etc in Ukraine is exactly the same.
Apparenty the trick is to overwhelm the defences with so many drones at once that the defences can't handle the onslaught.
Like the Apaches did to the invading 'blue coats'. Trouble for the Apaches was that they eventually they ran out of human 'bullets'.


Tis why the massive aircraft carrier USS Gerald Ford has now installed 'giant' lasers, ...as with missile defences the ship would be vulnerable to attack by swarms of small drones at once...apparently.
Also, the lasers just keep on working, no need to go into port to re-stock....and are much cheaper.

Ukraine should have attacked Russia in Russia full force as soon as Russia invaded Ukraine, but the peaceful people kept hoping for peace, and hoping to get Putin to stop the insanity. People such as Pope Francis have been demanding peace since the beginning.

And Ukraine can borrow money from the World Bank and they can get in debt for themselves instead of making America go broke supporting them. Certainly the USA supports Ukraine, but Ukraine needs to assume their own debt.

I support making Russia pay to rebuild Ukraine.

Belarus is suicidal, they are idiots. They are just a joke. The world is watching Belarus, and Belarus will be treated accordingly.

I want peace if we can have peace, but if we must fight to the death then Ukraine should have brought the battle to Moscow's doorstep a long time ago.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on June 01, 2023, 07:19:33 PM
Russia has 300 billion in frozen assets overseas.  Current estimate for Ukraine recon is 400 billion.

75% is not too shabby. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 02, 2023, 04:35:29 AM
It is a start.

Wagner out and Khardorovs in behind to shoot deserters and otherwise cow the mobiks.

Russia is showing their defensive hands.

Get the minders and the dragooned masses will, retreat, surrender or otherwise melt away.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Walter Sobchak on June 02, 2023, 03:14:32 PM
You have to wonder how many Russian grunts really believe in what they're being ordered to do.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 05, 2023, 04:16:32 AM
Cubans are signing up to fight for Russia in exchange for citizenship.

#####

Why?
mmm, maybe Cuba is a really bad place to live.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 05, 2023, 04:19:21 AM
The Daily Digest;

The Cuban recruits would also receive a monthly salary of $2545 and the Miami Herald noted that news of the immigrants signing up for military service with Russia came on the heels of Cuban President Miguel Diaz-Canel ratifying Cuba's support for Russia.

#####


Well there you go, Cuba signs up to the Russia/China/Iran/North Korea alliance...picks its side.
Now the enemy.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 10, 2023, 02:06:02 PM
http://www.salon.com/2023/06/10/ukraines-counteroffensive-begins-in-earnest/ (http://www.salon.com/2023/06/10/ukraines-counteroffensive-begins-in-earnest/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 10, 2023, 11:25:04 PM
Invading beaches, getting many troops killed?
Nah, wouldn't be doing that.
Time to missile Russia, Germany should give Ukraine its whole military....to show it has fully repented for its past sins.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 11, 2023, 02:41:13 AM
They have been putting very trippy shit in your water, Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 13, 2023, 09:50:34 AM
Russia missiles another residential area in Ukraine, kills civilians.
Yes Russia demolishing Ukraine one residential area at a time.
Obviously no one can stop Russia.
Its new best friend, NK, has promised to help it stop the ... 'evil West'...not his words but that's what his words meant.
The UN is a joke, time to abolish it, it's past its use by date.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 13, 2023, 02:46:32 PM
Bambu is a joke. Time to abolish him or her or it. He, she or it is past his, her or its use by date.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 13, 2023, 06:37:52 PM
Bambu is a joke. Time to abolish him or her or it. He, she or it is past his, her or its use by date.

One thing Trump got right...the UN is a joke...Russia and China basically 'own' it, veto anything they don't like.
From memory, Trump refused to send it billions of US taxpayer dollars for its climate fund.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 13, 2023, 08:57:51 PM
Bambu is a joke. Time to abolish him or her or it. He, she or it is past his, her or its use by date.

One thing Trump got right...the UN is a joke...Russia and China basically 'own' it, veto anything they don't like.
From memory, Trump refused to send it billions of US taxpayer dollars for its climate fund.

Joke?


https://youtu.be/eN2jqTilLOM
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 13, 2023, 09:51:37 PM
We can keep working with the United Nations, and we have peace with China and trade which is what they want, etc.

And Russia was poor before the war, the people of Russia did not have good grocery stores like in the USA which are stocked with healthy foods, the stores in Russia were already lacking before the war with Ukraine.

As the people of Russia become poor and hungry, they need to know that all that they need to do is to proclaim peace and to stop the war and then everyone can have peace and prosperity and world trade and food.

With peace comes food. When they get so poor that they know hunger, like in the USA during the Great Depression, then the people of Russia will demand peace. They will demand peace and food and world trade. ( I have been looking at the photos from during the Great Depression, you can see the hunger and desperation in their eyes, when you can see that same hunger in the eyes of the Russian people then they will demand peace and world trade and food. )

Salute,

Tony V.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 13, 2023, 10:14:34 PM
Cuba became poor once they aligned with Russia. The Cubans are good, smart, beautiful people, but the minute that Cuba fell to Castro and Communism then progress stopped in Cuba, they are still driving old cars from the 1950s. And the same with Venezuela, they will fall into poverty. Venezuela was once very wealthy with the most beautiful people in Latin America. And Russia will just continue to fall further and further into poverty until they choose peace and democracy and world trade, etc.

And we can teach them how to get honest money for education from companies like Coca Cola, etc, Cuba can have tariffs on imports, which means they can charge Coca Cola tariffs to import and sell Coca Cola in Cuba, and then Cuba can use the money for education, and for hospitals, etc, and to house the elderly, etc. Plus the workers in Cuba can have Medi-Cal and Social Security like in California, for housing and medical care for the elderly and for the disabled, etc. We can teach Cuba about Unions also, and Labor Laws, etc. We can teach Cuba and Venezuela and Russia how to have peace and prosperity and democracy and good human rights, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 13, 2023, 10:44:08 PM
Cuba became poor once they aligned with Russia. The Cubans are good, smart, beautiful people, but the minute that Cuba fell to Castro and Communism then progress stopped in Cuba, they are still driving old cars from the 1950s. And the same with Venezuela, they will fall into poverty. Venezuela was once very wealthy with the most beautiful people in Latin America. And Russia will just continue to fall further and further into poverty until they choose peace and democracy and world trade, etc.

And we can teach them how to get honest money for education from companies like Coca Cola, etc, Cuba can have tariffs on imports, which means they can charge Coca Cola tariffs to import and sell Coca Cola in Cuba, and then Cuba can use the money for education, and for hospitals, etc, and to house the elderly, etc. Plus the workers in Cuba can have Medi-Cal and Social Security like in California, for housing and medical care for the elderly and for the disabled, etc. We can teach Cuba about Unions also, and Labor Laws, etc. We can teach Cuba and Venezuela and Russia how to have peace and prosperity and democracy and good human rights, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

Cuba would be fine if the embargo was lifted.
Obama had put the nations on the path of partnership but Trump killed it all.
As far as education and healthcare systems we could learn from Cuba.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 13, 2023, 11:17:24 PM
Bambu is a joke. Time to abolish him or her or it. He, she or it is past his, her or its use by date.

One thing Trump got right...the UN is a joke...Russia and China basically 'own' it, veto anything they don't like.
From memory, Trump refused to send it billions of US taxpayer dollars for its climate fund.

Joke?


https://youtu.be/eN2jqTilLOM

Well might they laugh at Trump, but they're the first to put out their hands for his US money and military machine help when they're appeasement and tolerance of all and sundry go wrong.
Trump had the right idea about immigration bans, but his implementation wasn't the best.
Trump's wall was a great idea, pity the Left hadn't embraced it.
Luckily Australia doesn't have a land border with anyone.
Trump is 'America first'...pity MAGA wasn't embraced by the Left.

He was respectful of the members of the UN, the leaders of all the countries there.
They just laughed at him.
If I'd been him, I would've cancelled all aid to every one of them, and made them come and beg, apologise.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 13, 2023, 11:34:54 PM
We can keep working with the United Nations, and we have peace with China and trade which is what they want, etc.

And Russia was poor before the war, the people of Russia did not have good grocery stores like in the USA which are stocked with healthy foods, the stores in Russia were already lacking before the war with Ukraine.

As the people of Russia become poor and hungry, they need to know that all that they need to do is to proclaim peace and to stop the war and then everyone can have peace and prosperity and world trade and food.

With peace comes food. When they get so poor that they know hunger, like in the USA during the Great Depression, then the people of Russia will demand peace. They will demand peace and food and world trade. ( I have been looking at the photos from during the Great Depression, you can see the hunger and desperation in their eyes, when you can see that same hunger in the eyes of the Russian people then they will demand peace and world trade and food. )

Salute,

Tony V.

The grocery stores in Russia I saw on my news are fine...the Russian people have not suffered any shortages of food or anything else, the segment said. Chinese cars, and Chinese goods/food are flooding in.
Maccas left, but the golden arches have simply been replaced by Chinese/other arches.
Same stores, different name.
Until bombs/missiles start raining down on them the people of Russia won't do anything against their govt.
They're very comfortable...baaah!  unlike the people of Ukraine who are getting blown to bits every other day.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 13, 2023, 11:52:55 PM
Cuba became poor once they aligned with Russia. The Cubans are good, smart, beautiful people, but the minute that Cuba fell to Castro and Communism then progress stopped in Cuba, they are still driving old cars from the 1950s. And the same with Venezuela, they will fall into poverty. Venezuela was once very wealthy with the most beautiful people in Latin America. And Russia will just continue to fall further and further into poverty until they choose peace and democracy and world trade, etc.

And we can teach them how to get honest money for education from companies like Coca Cola, etc, Cuba can have tariffs on imports, which means they can charge Coca Cola tariffs to import and sell Coca Cola in Cuba, and then Cuba can use the money for education, and for hospitals, etc, and to house the elderly, etc. Plus the workers in Cuba can have Medi-Cal and Social Security like in California, for housing and medical care for the elderly and for the disabled, etc. We can teach Cuba about Unions also, and Labor Laws, etc. We can teach Cuba and Venezuela and Russia how to have peace and prosperity and democracy and good human rights, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

Cuba would be fine if the embargo was lifted.
Obama had put the nations on the path of partnership but Trump killed it all.
As far as education and healthcare systems we could learn from Cuba.

I support normalizing relations with Cuba and supporting democracy and free trade in Cuba and a lifting of the embargo. President Biden needs to work on relations with Cuba right now.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 14, 2023, 12:05:11 AM
We can keep working with the United Nations, and we have peace with China and trade which is what they want, etc.

And Russia was poor before the war, the people of Russia did not have good grocery stores like in the USA which are stocked with healthy foods, the stores in Russia were already lacking before the war with Ukraine.

As the people of Russia become poor and hungry, they need to know that all that they need to do is to proclaim peace and to stop the war and then everyone can have peace and prosperity and world trade and food.

With peace comes food. When they get so poor that they know hunger, like in the USA during the Great Depression, then the people of Russia will demand peace. They will demand peace and food and world trade. ( I have been looking at the photos from during the Great Depression, you can see the hunger and desperation in their eyes, when you can see that same hunger in the eyes of the Russian people then they will demand peace and world trade and food. )

Salute,

Tony V.

The grocery stores in Russia I saw on my news are fine...the Russian people have not suffered any shortages of food or anything else, the segment said. Chinese cars, and Chinese goods/food are flooding in.
Maccas left, but the golden arches have simply been replaced by Chinese/other arches.
Same stores, different name.
Until bombs/missiles start raining down on them the people of Russia won't do anything against their govt.
They're very comfortable...baaah!  unlike the people of Ukraine who are getting blown to bits every other day.

We need to stop the food for the people of Russia until we have peace. We have China on our team. China wants Apple jobs, etc. China wants to do trade with us. We need to bring hunger to the people of Russia. If we can stop the world from eating California Grapes until the United Farm Workers got a fair deal for the farm workers, then we can shut down the food supply of Russia, etc. Put the Harvard Students to work on the problem, they can solve it.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 14, 2023, 08:47:08 AM
Bambu is a joke. Time to abolish him or her or it. He, she or it is past his, her or its use by date.

One thing Trump got right...the UN is a joke...Russia and China basically 'own' it, veto anything they don't like.
From memory, Trump refused to send it billions of US taxpayer dollars for its climate fund.

Joke?


https://youtu.be/eN2jqTilLOM

Well might they laugh at Trump, but they're the first to put out their hands for his US money and military machine help when they're appeasement and tolerance of all and sundry go wrong.
Trump had the right idea about immigration bans, but his implementation wasn't the best.
Trump's wall was a great idea, pity the Left hadn't embraced it.
Luckily Australia doesn't have a land border with anyone.
Trump is 'America first'...pity MAGA wasn't embraced by the Left.

He was respectful of the members of the UN, the leaders of all the countries there.
They just laughed at him.
If I'd been him, I would've cancelled all aid to every one of them, and made them come and beg, apologise.

He is under arrest
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 16, 2023, 05:46:52 AM
Sky News;

Russia delivers nuclear weapons to Belarus to 'intimidate' NATO and the EU.

#####

Charming.
Someone should tell Belarus that if it fires nukes at NATO it will cease to exist.

That's what Trump told 'rocket man' in NK.
'Fire missiles at US or its allies and you will cease to exist.'
Sad for the security of US-Allies that Trump is still not President.

Oh well, such is life.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 16, 2023, 08:38:52 AM
Sky News;

Russia delivers nuclear weapons to Belarus to 'intimidate' NATO and the EU.

#####

Charming.
Someone should tell Belarus that if it fires nukes at NATO it will cease to exist.

That's what Trump told 'rocket man' in NK.
'Fire missiles at US or its allies and you will cease to exist.'
Sad for the security of US-Allies that Trump is still not President.

Oh well, such is life.
Pretty sure Lukashenko is aware of Article 5 already. And since NATO's founding the only president, or major part presidential candidate to call Article 5 into question is Trump.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on June 16, 2023, 02:40:21 PM
Trump was strong on certain positive issues, but a definite dangerous nut. Attempting to overturn the election and inciting a riot beyond belief.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on June 18, 2023, 10:52:36 AM
Hang his VP?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 18, 2023, 06:47:33 PM
The Russians do not give one fuck

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 18, 2023, 09:15:48 PM
Trump was strong on certain positive issues, but a definite dangerous nut. Attempting to overturn the election and inciting a riot beyond belief.

You are meat on the hoof for folks like that.

They find you delicious and thank their lucky stars you have no inclination to fix your thinking.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 19, 2023, 10:04:40 PM
The Russians have no fucks to give.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/us/politics/russia-spy-assassination.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 19, 2023, 10:22:12 PM
The Russians have no fucks to give.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/19/us/politics/russia-spy-assassination.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Think we're being softened up...to ignore any 'tactical nukes' used by Russia.
Read somewhere yesterday that as the 'tactical nukes' are only small it doesn't matter because there's not much radiation...something like that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on June 20, 2023, 12:32:58 PM
Trump was strong on certain positive issues, but a definite dangerous nut. Attempting to overturn the election and inciting a riot beyond belief.

You are meat on the hoof for folks like that.

They find you delicious and thank their lucky stars you have no inclination to fix your thinking.
Republicans are cannibals? Just all bad contrasted to the fringe left who do not believe in borders and want to share everything with all the crying babies of central America and their expanded families?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 20, 2023, 08:04:07 PM
Trump was strong on certain positive issues, but a definite dangerous nut. Attempting to overturn the election and inciting a riot beyond belief.

You are meat on the hoof for folks like that.

They find you delicious and thank their lucky stars you have no inclination to fix your thinking.
Republicans are cannibals? Just all bad contrasted to the fringe left who do not believe in borders and want to share everything with all the crying babies of central America and their expanded families?

You could fill the bleachers of a small town high school football game with the number of fringe left who want open borders.

Bet you would not be so panicked if all those crying babies were from Eastern Europe
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 21, 2023, 12:34:17 AM
Not everyone in Mexico, Central America, South America, Eastern Europe, Africa, Middle East etc can just be allowed to waltz into America and stay...if America wants to maintain any sort of border integrity, orderly immigration system, and healthy population.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 21, 2023, 12:38:34 AM
Luee moos and Bambu bleats.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 21, 2023, 12:50:21 AM
Luee moos and Bambu bleats.

You'd be a lot squashed up if all the people in those countries moved into America.
 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 21, 2023, 02:53:50 AM
We have an orderly and well functioning immigration process that fits our needs except where it is fucked up by white Christian nationalists like the governors of Texas and Florida.

We need to get ready to take in and support many more people faster than we ever have before.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 21, 2023, 03:37:59 AM
We have an orderly and well functioning immigration process that fits our needs except where it is fucked up by white Christian nationalists like the governors of Texas and Florida.

We need to get ready to take in and support many more people faster than we ever have before.

If you say so.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 21, 2023, 07:04:29 AM
Luee moos and Bambu bleats.

You'd be a lot squashed up if all the people in those countries moved into America.

Some Aussies have good sense

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-petition-australia_n_64918551e4b027d92f95ba97
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 21, 2023, 07:22:44 AM
Luee moos and Bambu bleats.

You'd be a lot squashed up if all the people in those countries moved into America.

Some Aussies have good sense

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-petition-australia_n_64918551e4b027d92f95ba97

17, 000 signatures?
The population is 26 million.
He's correct in what he says about woke in the West.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 21, 2023, 08:44:21 AM
Luee moos and Bambu bleats.

You'd be a lot squashed up if all the people in those countries moved into America.

Some Aussies have good sense

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-petition-australia_n_64918551e4b027d92f95ba97

17, 000 signatures?
The population is 26 million.
He's correct in what he says about woke in the West.

I said SOME.

Only thing Don Jr knows about being woke is when he can not sleep after his latest cocaine binge.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 21, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
Bambu is misguided.
Some say brainwashed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 21, 2023, 11:57:56 PM
Bambu is misguided.
Some say brainwashed.

LOL
Poor Greta, some say she's been used, to the detriment of her mental health.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 22, 2023, 01:23:03 AM
That is what people who have been used to the detriment of their mental health, like you, say.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 22, 2023, 06:01:25 AM
That is what people who have been used to the detriment of their mental health, like you, say.

We know.
You only have to look at the way she, a schoolgirl, was worked up into a frenzy, to see it.
From Google:
"Greta has been open about her autism (she uses the term Asperger's Syndrome), Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (OCD), and selective mutism."

You might think it's ok to put her thru it all...I don't.

Maybe she wasn't told that PNG and Australia were once one land mass called 'Sahul', and were separated when the sea levels rose...8,000 years ago.
Someone should tell her that the glaciers started melting 11,000 years ago.
That ice ages come and go...and the "climate emergency" she's been fed is nonsense.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 22, 2023, 08:41:31 AM
That ice ages come and go...and the "climate emergency" she's been fed is nonsense.

It's interesting that Bambu, who regards the opinions of Superstar Radio Host #1 as gospel delivered from on high, is concerned about the brainwashing of others. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on June 22, 2023, 12:17:28 PM
The Right wants to make Greta the voice of all Green progressives because it makes it easier to discredit them and steer away from actually discussing the factual basis of carbon reduction policies.  They could select the definitely non-autistic Bill McKibben or Jane Goodall or Amory Lovins, but then they would have to address the evidence instead of sniping at a teenager with a disability.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on June 22, 2023, 12:39:12 PM
The Right wants to make Greta the voice of all Green progressives because it makes it easier to discredit them and steer away from actually discussing the factual basis of carbon reduction policies.  They could select the definitely non-autistic Bill McKibben or Jane Goodall or Amory Lovins, but then they would have to address the evidence instead of sniping at a teenager with a disability.
LOL
Greta is far from being the only one laughed at for her forecasts of doom from climate change.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 22, 2023, 02:36:38 PM
Gibbering idiots laugh at all kinds of forecasts. 

We know making choices is too hard for you and taxes your broken brain. You are not required to make decisions or take constructive control of your life.

Keep laughing and try not to sit in your own poop for too long. It gives you a rash when you do that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 22, 2023, 03:24:40 PM
The Right wants to make Greta the voice of all Green progressives because it makes it easier to discredit them and steer away from actually discussing the factual basis of carbon reduction policies.  They could select the definitely non-autistic Bill McKibben or Jane Goodall or Amory Lovins, but then they would have to address the evidence instead of sniping at a teenager with a disability.
LOL
Greta is far from being the only one laughed at for her forecasts of doom from climate change.

Andrew Tate is not laughing.

Greta burst on the scene as a hyper aware kid who rightfully saw her future as impending doom and folks heckling her are a bunch myopic assholes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 22, 2023, 06:11:21 PM
The Right wants to make Greta the voice of all Green progressives because it makes it easier to discredit them and steer away from actually discussing the factual basis of carbon reduction policies.  They could select the definitely non-autistic Bill McKibben or Jane Goodall or Amory Lovins, but then they would have to address the evidence instead of sniping at a teenager with a disability.

It's a total outrage that said teen was/is being put thru it all, she getting upset because the "war" is not pleasant.
She's a well-meaning girl who deserves to be happy ... she should be relaxing in a park or beside the sea with a dog, laughing and enjoying the serenity and sunshine...instead of trying to fight futile "climate emergency" "wars".

Anyone who things they can stop glaciers from melting, seas from rising, snow from falling, and forest fires, storms and ice ages from happening, is misguided.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 22, 2023, 06:14:58 PM
The Right wants to make Greta the voice of all Green progressives because it makes it easier to discredit them and steer away from actually discussing the factual basis of carbon reduction policies.  They could select the definitely non-autistic Bill McKibben or Jane Goodall or Amory Lovins, but then they would have to address the evidence instead of sniping at a teenager with a disability.
LOL
Greta is far from being the only one laughed at for her forecasts of doom from climate change.

Andrew Tate is not laughing.

Greta burst on the scene as a hyper aware kid who rightfully saw her future as impending doom and folks heckling her are a bunch myopic assholes.

Wonder who taught her to see her future like that?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 22, 2023, 07:12:49 PM
The Right wants to make Greta the voice of all Green progressives because it makes it easier to discredit them and steer away from actually discussing the factual basis of carbon reduction policies.  They could select the definitely non-autistic Bill McKibben or Jane Goodall or Amory Lovins, but then they would have to address the evidence instead of sniping at a teenager with a disability.
LOL
Greta is far from being the only one laughed at for her forecasts of doom from climate change.

Andrew Tate is not laughing.

Greta burst on the scene as a hyper aware kid who rightfully saw her future as impending doom and folks heckling her are a bunch myopic assholes.

Wonder who taught her to see her future like that?

People are born with the senses.

She saw the situation
She heard the voices of reason
Her brain told her should be done
Her heart gave the ability to step forward.

To put this in a way you will understand, that girl is more man than you will ever be.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 22, 2023, 07:58:15 PM
Bambu will never understand. It is the core of how he has built himself, a very dense core.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 22, 2023, 08:30:57 PM
Yes, bambu has never professed to be a genius, rather just a 70% student doing his best.
Having failed his final high school exams...(being run down by a car on the highway in his home suburb, massive concussion and no skin much left on one side of his face...at age 16 going on 10...didn't help matters)..........at age  18 he started in the workforce.
He knew nothing much about anything...put hot water in his car radiator to warm up the car so it would start.
It started...but only went one suburb before stopping.
Nice motoring club roadside assistance man explained that you don't do that.
Noted. lol

Fast forward 60 years...and bambu has realised that his adopted wisdom over the decades is as true now as it's always been.
Wisdom is mostly commonsense.
No 1 radio host...(he's still alive...is on internet radio now):
"commonsense is not always common".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 22, 2023, 09:49:26 PM
Bambu will never understand. It is the core of how he has built himself, a very dense core.

bambu understands:
China is building two new coal-fired power stations per week...while the West beats itself up over CO2 emissions and ruins its economies.
LOL
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 22, 2023, 09:54:53 PM
No one feels sorry for you.

The closest you can get is making folks sorry you are here.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 22, 2023, 11:29:21 PM
No one feels sorry for you.

The closest you can get is making folks sorry you are here.

LOL

Not looking for sympathy, nor expecting any.
Much worse happens to people in their lives.

I learnt to play the game...took a while, but got there at about age 27.
'Dingo cunning' ...along with "look after yourself first in this world, son...because nobody else will"...and bambu-wisdom was born.  :)

Walk, talk, work, and drive slowly...mistakes can be costly and fatal.

Stay out of the seas, lakes and rivers...misery, wheelchairs, limb-loss and death await.
The sea is cruel, as are the lakes and rivers. Everything from rogue waves, high seas, capsizing cruise ships, sharks, crocodiles, stingrays, and all sorts of creatures pedalling pain and death await....including flesh-eating monsters/bacteria.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 23, 2023, 01:21:35 AM
You had completely given up on life and became an out and out shitty cunt by your mid twenties. That sucks. Sad no one was around who could have steered you straight when it would have made a difference. Maybe if there had been YouTube in those days
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 23, 2023, 04:01:12 AM
You had completely given up on life and became an out and out shitty cunt by your mid twenties. That sucks. Sad no one was around who could have steered you straight when it would have made a difference. Maybe if there had been YouTube in those days

No active HR depts in those days. No stress management classes back then.
Overworked, underpaid, bullied and harassed? that was bad luck for you.
Need a rest? you must see a psychiatrist.
I told the psychiatrist how I was being used and abused, he sympathised with me, gave me some pills and a medical certificate for 2 weeks off work.
Because it was long ago and basically a govt job the sick leave was generous...full pay.
The easy thing to do was leave, as many did.
I stayed and fought the battle, to get and keep the 50% staff home loan discount...when home loan interest rates were 17%.
Also low interest Union credit union personal loans.
I needed to keep my home.
Be nasty to me, when I'm being nice to you and doing my best?
I will feel 'nervous' and offended and have the doctor give me a week off work to recover...and you'll be minus a staff member for a week.





Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 24, 2023, 12:01:35 PM
No observations on the inner turmoil of Russia?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on June 24, 2023, 12:10:34 PM
I posted in News General, will move it over here....

Wagners are stirring shit in Russia, maybe will get some other former splinters like the Chechens to join up.  My favorite news snip this morning was a report of a Wagner column moving north of Voronezh and some witnesses in a small town said they had stopped to...do some shopping.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 24, 2023, 12:26:24 PM
Wagners fighting Russians...great news.
Hope they slaughter each other.
Would give the Ukrainians a better chance .
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on June 24, 2023, 12:34:24 PM
And then there's the Byelos suggesting it may be a good time to oust Lukashenko.

A group of Belarusian volunteer fighters that has helped Ukraine defend against the Russian invasion urged their compatriots to stay out of Russia s internal strife and prepare to rise up against their own authoritarian government.

Favorable conditions for the destruction of the dictatorship are rapidly approaching, a spokesman for the Kastus Kalinouski Regiment said in a video posted to the groups Twitter account Saturday. This is the beginning of the end of the great tyranny.
  - from WaPo report
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 24, 2023, 01:18:28 PM
I posted in News General, will move it over here....

Wagners are stirring shit in Russia, maybe will get some other former splinters like the Chechens to join up.  My favorite news snip this morning was a report of a Wagner column moving north of Voronezh and some witnesses in a small town said they had stopped to...do some shopping.

Chechyns are supposedly moving in to back up Putin.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on June 24, 2023, 05:25:45 PM
Prigozhin seems to have figured that out. 

Civil war cancelled today.  Maybe next week.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 24, 2023, 09:10:57 PM
Word is Wagner is heading to Belarus. I read this as a pause rather than a cessation in hostilities.

Meanwhile Ukraine keeps chewing away Russian artillery and logistics.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 27, 2023, 04:52:25 PM
Russian troops are castrating Ukrainian POWs, reportedly.
In reply, Ukrainian military should...well, you wouldn't like the suggestions.

Doing nothing will only embolden the butchering Russians.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 27, 2023, 05:11:11 PM
Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 27, 2023, 06:34:47 PM
Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

The sane people of Russia won't do anything, because they can't do anything.
No way they can rise up, they are unarmed and would just be slaughtered.
This is exactly why many Americans have armed themselves.

It's life as usual for the sane people of Russia. Shops are full of grocerie

The 'Spring offensive' by Ukraine is doomed, Russia has air superior and has laid mines and dug trenches.
That's it...Russia has won, like it was always going to do.
This war will go on for years...but Russia will eventually prevail.
The West seems to have lost interest.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 27, 2023, 07:20:56 PM
Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

The sane people of Russia won't do anything, because they can't do anything.
No way they can rise up, they are unarmed and would just be slaughtered.
This is exactly why many Americans have armed themselves.

It's life as usual for the sane people of Russia. Shops are full of grocerie

The 'Spring offensive' by Ukraine is doomed, Russia has air superior and has laid mines and dug trenches.
That's it...Russia has won, like it was always going to do.
This war will go on for years...but Russia will eventually prevail.
The West seems to have lost interest.

I sent a message to Vice President Harris on Facebook, maybe she will read it, and maybe it can help.

And we need to bring in the Harvard Students to help. The Stanford Students are welcome to help too. And Pepperdine. All hands on deck.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 27, 2023, 07:33:53 PM
Darkness cannot drive out darkness, only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate, only love can do that.

We need for the sane people of Russia to stand up and stop the atrocities, we need to appeal to the actors, singers, dancers, writers, and other artists, as well as appealing to the sane business people of Russia who want to do world trade, as well as appealing to the scientists and astronauts, etc, we need for the best and the brightest in Russia to rise up and stop Putin. And as the good people in Russia rise up against Putin, then we need to support the good people in the overthrow of Putin.

Already the Russian Ballet has opposed the war...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/arts/dance/olga-smirnova-bolshoi-ballet-ukraine-war.html

We need for everyone to appeal to the good sane people of Russia to rise up and to stop Putin.

We need for love to stop the hate. We need for the good people to band together and to rise up and to stop the war.

Salute,

Tony V.

The sane people of Russia won't do anything, because they can't do anything.
No way they can rise up, they are unarmed and would just be slaughtered.
This is exactly why many Americans have armed themselves.

It's life as usual for the sane people of Russia. Shops are full of grocerie

The 'Spring offensive' by Ukraine is doomed, Russia has air superior and has laid mines and dug trenches.
That's it...Russia has won, like it was always going to do.
This war will go on for years...but Russia will eventually prevail.
The West seems to have lost interest.

Time to change your panties, grandma, and your sources of news.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on June 28, 2023, 10:27:03 AM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 28, 2023, 12:35:09 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 28, 2023, 12:53:11 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
Quote
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
Quote
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 28, 2023, 03:45:55 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
Quote
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
Quote
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 28, 2023, 04:01:58 PM
We changed some things after World War II so that we could prevent future world wars and so that we can prevent holocausts, etc. We created the CIA so that we have information so that we can act on reliable information, we need to know what is going on so that we can prevent holocausts, etc. And we created the United Nations which is the hope of the world, hopefully we can work together to prevent wars, and to feed the hungry, and I support UNICEF, etc.

So, we need to put together some task forces to stop the war and to put in a new Government in Russia who we can support and who will be friendly with the world, and we can have a world where Russian scientists can help to cure Cancer, and where Russian astronauts can go with us to Mars, etc. We can have a task force consisting of Harvard Students, and they can have access to the CIA and to the United Nations, etc, and we can have a task force at Stanford, and at Pepperdine, etc, and the task forces can share information with each other, etc. And the task forces can be in contact with Biden and Harris, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on June 28, 2023, 05:14:58 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
Quote
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
Quote
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 28, 2023, 05:33:56 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
Quote
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
Quote
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany
If you think an occupying force would have tapped down the problems that led to the rise of Hitler and German militarism you have not been paying attention to the world.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on June 28, 2023, 07:00:24 PM
I do think Bambu has been paying attention to the world, but he has and will look at it through all the wrong lenses which amounts to the same thing as not paying attention but takes more effort on his part.

Switzerland is the remaining neutral highly armed pacifist in Europe. They have several gold hoards to consider any of which individually would eventually warp even the strongest minds. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 28, 2023, 07:43:32 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
Quote
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
Quote
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 29, 2023, 11:02:48 AM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
Quote
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
Quote
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.
Why am I not surprised you back Cultural Genocide?

Nice to know you are as ignorant of history as you are the world you live in. A short list of who would never support a UK/US German occupation:

Germany
Germans
France, who suffered the most casualties of the Entente powers and where most of the battles on the Western Front were fought and who would never agree to a UK/US partnership on their physical border.
The UK, which lacked the funds, manpower and public appetite for the troop commitment for an occupation force.
The US, which was so firmly isolationist that it never joined the League of Nations - and it was our Ficking idea.
The Soviet Union.
Italy.
Belgium.
Literally every other nation on the planet including San Marino.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on June 29, 2023, 11:19:18 AM
Lukashenko probably welcomed Wagner because he's afraid to mobilize his own army and face the good chance they will turn on him.   Lots of Uke sympathizers in Belarus.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 29, 2023, 04:36:35 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
Quote
World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
Quote
Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.
Why am I not surprised you back Cultural Genocide?

Nice to know you are as ignorant of history as you are the world you live in. A short list of who would never support a UK/US German occupation:

Germany
Germans
France, who suffered the most casualties of the Entente powers and where most of the battles on the Western Front were fought and who would never agree to a UK/US partnership on their physical border.
The UK, which lacked the funds, manpower and public appetite for the troop commitment for an occupation force.
The US, which was so firmly isolationist that it never joined the League of Nations - and it was our Ficking idea.
The Soviet Union.
Italy.
Belgium.
Literally every other nation on the planet including San Marino.


Yes, and that's exactly why what happened happened.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 29, 2023, 06:16:26 PM
Yes Putin is among the most evil. Why not just pay the Wagner mercenaries to turn on Russia? Was it like this in the 30s just hoping Germany would be nice?

Pretty much.
What part of the War in Ukraine are you missing out on? The west en masse did not arm the Czechs to fight a proxy war, or the Loyalists in Spain.
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World leaders running around trying to appease Hitler instead or arming themselves, ...and countries declaring themselves "neutral".
Who in the West is neutral? Even fucking Sweden which has been neutral since Charles XII bit it at Fredriksten has taken a side.
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Germany should've ceased to exist after WW1, then WW2 would never have happened.
It should've been divided up....or run by a Coalition govt.
That would not have stopped WW II. Arguably the penalties placed on Germany after the Great War created the conditions that led to Hitler, and you want to make them worse.

Only very recently have many countries that were calling themselves neutral rushed to join NATO.
Neutral  countries now are Ireland, Japan  Austria, Serbia, Croatia?, Liechtenstein, , Malta, Mexico, Mongolia, Monaco, Moldova, Panama, Rwanda, San Marino, Singapore, Switzerland, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Vatican City., Costa Rica.

India, nuke-armed, looks to be friendly to everyone.

No Germany, there would've been no Nazis, no Hitler, no WW2....US, Britain etc would've owned and run Germany

Hitler was Austrian

I know.
But his military and evil cohorts were German.
US-Britain owned and run country renamed 'Hopeland' would not have allowed the Holocaust and other atrocities.
No Hitler Youth Movement, no Auschwitz...only American and British cultures allowed.

Anyway it didn't happen...they just handed the country back to Germany and basically said "have another turn", so it did.
Why am I not surprised you back Cultural Genocide?

Nice to know you are as ignorant of history as you are the world you live in. A short list of who would never support a UK/US German occupation:

Germany
Germans
France, who suffered the most casualties of the Entente powers and where most of the battles on the Western Front were fought and who would never agree to a UK/US partnership on their physical border.
The UK, which lacked the funds, manpower and public appetite for the troop commitment for an occupation force.
The US, which was so firmly isolationist that it never joined the League of Nations - and it was our Ficking idea.
The Soviet Union.
Italy.
Belgium.
Literally every other nation on the planet including San Marino.


Yes, and that's exactly why what happened happened.
No, it is not.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on June 30, 2023, 10:29:40 PM
Yes it is...they just allowed Germany to be Germany again, no governance by a Coalition of the Allies...Germany just allowed to go on its merry way re-arming and building a massive military, which it then used to invade other countries and butcher and slaughter at will.

It should never have neen allowed to happen.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 01, 2023, 07:59:32 AM
Yes it is...they just allowed Germany to be Germany again, no governance by a Coalition of the Allies...Germany just allowed to go on its merry way re-arming and building a massive military, which it then used to invade other countries and butcher and slaughter at will.

It should never have neen allowed to happen.

Germany rearmed with assists from American corporations and leaders such as Prescott Bush and Henry Ford.
Germany had many supporters in the run up to WWII including the American Hero Charles Lindbergh and the huge network of America First supporters.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 01, 2023, 05:13:38 PM
Yes it is...they just allowed Germany to be Germany again, no governance by a Coalition of the Allies...Germany just allowed to go on its merry way re-arming and building a massive military, which it then used to invade other countries and butcher and slaughter at will.

It should never have neen allowed to happen.

Germany rearmed with assists from American corporations and leaders such as Prescott Bush and Henry Ford.
Germany had many supporters in the run up to WWII including the American Hero Charles Lindbergh and the huge network of America First supporters.

Madness....for which others paid a huge price.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 01, 2023, 05:25:52 PM
Ukraine can't make any progress...doesn't have the equipment.
Oh well, that's what happens when you have to rely on others for your security.

If only Ukraine had nukes, Russia and Belarus would likely not be so bold.
If Australia had nukes, and nuke-armed subs cruising around, ready to fire nuke missiles at Beijing at a moment's notice...I suggest China would likely not be so bold.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 01, 2023, 06:19:49 PM
You can hide in your coal mines.

Run silent. Run deep.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 01, 2023, 06:24:56 PM
Ukraine needs to open a line of credit with the World Bank to pay their own way, instead of making the USA get in debt to support Ukraine.

Lots can be done to bring this war to a speedy end, wise people must be in charge. We can have Task Forces at Harvard, Pepperdine, and at Stanford, etc, and the Task Forces can have access to the CIA and to the United Nations, and the Task forces can be in contact with President Biden and with Vice President Harris, etc. The Task Forces can seek to stop Putin, and to replace Putin with a government which can be friendly with the world, and we can have Russian scientists helping to cure Cancer, and we can have Russian astronauts to go with us to Mars, etc, etc, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 01, 2023, 09:51:20 PM
Lets see how far we get with Russian money rebuilding Ukraine.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 02, 2023, 08:58:28 AM
Ukraine needs to open a line of credit with the World Bank to pay their own way, instead of making the USA get in debt to support Ukraine.

Lots can be done to bring this war to a speedy end, wise people must be in charge. We can have Task Forces at Harvard, Pepperdine, and at Stanford, etc, and the Task Forces can have access to the CIA and to the United Nations, and the Task forces can be in contact with President Biden and with Vice President Harris, etc. The Task Forces can seek to stop Putin, and to replace Putin with a government which can be friendly with the world, and we can have Russian scientists helping to cure Cancer, and we can have Russian astronauts to go with us to Mars, etc, etc, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

Lort!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 02, 2023, 01:54:00 PM
Leftist hero PM 'Albo' of bambuland is sending Ukraine old trucks as aid package.
The Right is outraged. Severely critical.
Kyiv has requested for months more Bushmaster vehicles, Abrams tanks, and a fleet of Hawkei protected mobility vehicles.
The Right says Ukraine should be given what it wants and needs.

Hopefully PM 'Albo' will be making an announcement of further aid to Ukraine, what it wants and needs, at the NATO summit in Europe soon.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on July 02, 2023, 03:13:02 PM
No us troops or lives is a much better way to go.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 02, 2023, 05:09:18 PM
No us troops or lives is a much better way to go.

Good to see you endorsing Biden policies more and more each day.

You kick and scream all the time. It is nice once in a while to see you lurch a little in the right direction.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 02, 2023, 06:03:30 PM
US President Biden has promised to go to war with China if it attacks Taiwan.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 02, 2023, 08:56:57 PM
US President Biden has promised to go to war with China if it attacks Taiwan.

Which is Beltway speak for China will not invade Taiwan considering the amount of weaponry and resources Western powers bring to bear for Taiwan.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 02, 2023, 10:05:37 PM
US President Biden has promised to go to war with China if it attacks Taiwan.

Which is Beltway speak for China will not invade Taiwan considering the amount of weaponry and resources Western powers bring to bear for Taiwan.

China is smart and they can do the math, the benefits for being friends with the West and with the USA are great, while the punishment for being an enemy would be horrible, and thus the Chinese are going to choose peace, no one wants a blood-bath, especially when there is no reward and only punishment for the act of hostility.

Plus, the Chinese have always been a big part of America. The Chinese helped to build our Railroads here in the USA, and we have successful China Towns in many cities in the USA including in San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York City, and now there is a growing China Town in Las Vegas. Our wonderful Chinese-Americans can be our ambassadors to China.

I helped with diplomacy between China and the USA, I had a roommate who was the daughter of a Chinese general, I made peace with her, I liked her, she was a nice lady. She said that I was smart like a doctor. I was driving a limousine at that time, but I had already spent a few years studying, we were the official limousine service for the Jay Leno show. Anyhow, the daughter of the Chinese general treated me with respect, and she treated me as an equal, and as a valuable member of our household, and she said she liked having me in the house and that I made her feel safe. But, we had 2 security gates to go through on the way to our house, plus cameras, and motion detectors with spot lights, etc, plus dogs, etc, our house was very safe. It had to be safe because if something happened to the daughter of a Chinese general then it would create an international issue. I used Roy Rogers and Dale Evans as my Character References to get into the Beach House in Malibu, my Brother was married to their Granddaughter. Anyhow, I conducted diplomacy on behalf of the USA in regard to China.

Blessed are the Peacemakers.

And as the Chinese do manufacturing then the West can help to send food to China so that the Chinese eat well.

The Chinese can also go on vacation in Australia, etc.

The Chinese can also learn architecture from the Greeks, and Italians, and from the Spaniards, etc.

I really want for us to have a good and productive relationship with the Chinese. I do not want war, war is stupid. We have so much to gain by having peace and by having positive interaction, etc. And we can work together to cure Cancer, and the Chinese can go with us to Mars, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on July 02, 2023, 10:13:57 PM
Sorry sleepy Joe but a president can't declare war. Sabre rattling is dangerous. I am not willing to go to war over Taiwan. Cold war mentality. Does he even know this is 2023?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 02, 2023, 10:45:42 PM
California is a garden, and we can send a Mission of Commerce Appreciation from California to China, and we can show-case our wide array of food products that we can send to China. As China sends us ships full of products then we need for the ships to return full of wine from California and with food products to feed the workers of China. We need to let the Chinese know that we appreciate world trade and peace, and that it is our pleasure to enjoy world trade. Everyone wins with peace and world trade.

And all of Latin America can send food products and coffee and wine, etc, to China.

Australia can be the Vacation Destination for the Chinese, and the young Australians can study and learn how to work at the Resorts, and the Australians can learn how to be Chefs, and Bar Tenders, and Swim Instructors, and Dive Instructors, and Surfing Instructors, etc. And the Chinese can go to Rugby games, and to Volleyball matches, etc.

NASA can improve relations with China, as can the American Cancer Association, etc.

There are many things that we can do to actively promote peace with China.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 04, 2023, 12:56:07 PM
California is a garden, and we can send a Mission of Commerce Appreciation from California to China, and we can show-case our wide array of food products that we can send to China. As China sends us ships full of products then we need for the ships to return full of wine from California and with food products to feed the workers of China. We need to let the Chinese know that we appreciate world trade and peace, and that it is our pleasure to enjoy world trade. Everyone wins with peace and world trade.

And all of Latin America can send food products and coffee and wine, etc, to China.

Australia can be the Vacation Destination for the Chinese, and the young Australians can study and learn how to work at the Resorts, and the Australians can learn how to be Chefs, and Bar Tenders, and Swim Instructors, and Dive Instructors, and Surfing Instructors, etc. And the Chinese can go to Rugby games, and to Volleyball matches, etc.

NASA can improve relations with China, as can the American Cancer Association, etc.

There are many things that we can do to actively promote peace with China.

Salute,

Tony V.

Bottomline of Plan Tony:  if only all the people of all the countries in all the world
would only become like ME, What a Wonderful World this would be!

https://youtu.be/ib-Qiyklq-Q
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 04, 2023, 04:01:41 PM
I remember the early seventies National Lampoon parody of the famous hilltop Coke ad....

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Id like to give the world a hug.
And tell it jokes and stuff.
Then pull its pants down to its shoes
And chase it through the rough.
Id tie it up with bonds and straps
And check its purse for change.
Then leave it out at Moose Grin Hall
With our cousin who's deranged 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 04, 2023, 04:04:36 PM
Holy fuck, it took that last apostrophe!  I had forgotten to delete it but it accepted it.  Wonder if Liquid finally fixed the text editor.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 04, 2023, 04:07:05 PM
Doesn't

Mustn't

Won't


can't
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 04, 2023, 04:07:51 PM
Wooooooohooooooo!  Let the apostrophes roll!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 04, 2023, 05:27:42 PM
Well ain

Ok. Now I

Am jealous
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 04, 2023, 06:49:27 PM
shan't
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 04, 2023, 09:15:24 PM
Shouldn't
Wouldn't
Couldn't
Didn't
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 04, 2023, 09:20:36 PM
Wind and solar, with storage, are saving Texas.  Catherine Rampell gives them their due.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/07/04/renewable-energy-texas-heat/


And welcome back, little apostrophes.

Let's see if quotes are "also" now "working" again.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 05, 2023, 02:15:41 AM
It
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 05, 2023, 09:16:36 AM
Not my favorite Stephen King novel.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 05, 2023, 09:48:18 AM
Not my favorite Stephen King novel.

No apostrophe for me!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 07, 2023, 01:05:35 PM
I think it is closer to 25 months than 25 years.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 07, 2023, 06:54:47 PM
Putin has had more than twenty years to create the archetypical conservative culture.

It does not produce children or professionals or experts or opportunities. It does create paranoia, criminality, and despair.

If brexiteers stick around, England might wind up looking distressingly similar.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 07, 2023, 08:16:30 PM
Brexit...when Britain took back control of itself from the rule of Brussels/EU.
No more open borders with anyone and everyone allowed to just waltz in.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 08, 2023, 01:07:29 AM
Brexit, when Britain lost control of itself and started the greatest smuggling wave in the modern history of that nation.

It will be decades till Britain comes close to recovering from Brexit, but only months till they punish, rout and expel the conservatives who with Russian help lied the country into its current dystopian disrepair.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 08, 2023, 07:37:19 PM
Brexit...when Britain took back control of itself from the rule of Brussels/EU.
No more open borders with anyone and everyone allowed to just waltz in.

One of the biggest self owns by any nation in modern history.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 08, 2023, 08:40:25 PM
Brexit...when Britain took back control of itself from the rule of Brussels/EU.
No more open borders with anyone and everyone allowed to just waltz in.


One of the biggest self owns by any nation in modern history.

Britain was basically being governed from afar.
USA being governed from Mexico or Canada?
Don't think so.
There'd be USEXIT.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 08, 2023, 09:10:19 PM
Brexit...when Britain took back control of itself from the rule of Brussels/EU.
No more open borders with anyone and everyone allowed to just waltz in.


One of the biggest self owns by any nation in modern history.

Britain was basically being governed from afar.
USA being governed from Mexico or Canada?
Don't think so.
There'd be USEXIT.

That is not how it works
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 08, 2023, 09:49:07 PM
Brexit...when Britain took back control of itself from the rule of Brussels/EU.
No more open borders with anyone and everyone allowed to just waltz in.


One of the biggest self owns by any nation in modern history.

Britain was basically being governed from afar.
USA being governed from Mexico or Canada?
Don't think so.
There'd be USEXIT.

That is not how it works

It was as regards free movement of people over EU including Britain borders.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 09, 2023, 12:19:22 PM
Bambu is behind every policy and political figure supported and directed from the Kremlin. That is why he likes Scummo and his former No 1 radio host.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 10, 2023, 03:13:57 PM
Any thoughts on the proposed sending of cluster bombs to Ukraine? 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 10, 2023, 04:06:54 PM
Any thoughts on the proposed sending of cluster bombs to Ukraine?

Yeah.

Ukraine is fighting on its own territory and will be more likely to protect its citizen as opposed to Russian indiscriminate destruction and killing.

If Ukraine is going to advance the offensive they need to use the ammo that increase force projection, cluster weapons.

The folks lamenting the possibility of civilians being injured or maimed by the unexploded bomblets ignore the fact the Ukrainian countryside is already littered with the remains of Russian cluster weapons which means when the hostilities are done Ukraine is going to have to mount a mammoth de-mining program, anyway.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 10, 2023, 04:38:52 PM
Any thoughts on the proposed sending of cluster bombs to Ukraine?

Yeah.

Ukraine is fighting on its own territory and will be more likely to protect its citizen as opposed to Russian indiscriminate destruction and killing.

If Ukraine is going to advance the offensive they need to use the ammo that increase force projection, cluster weapons.

The folks lamenting the possibility of civilians being injured or maimed by the unexploded bomblets ignore the fact the Ukrainian countryside is already littered with the remains of Russian cluster weapons which means when the hostilities are done Ukraine is going to have to mount a mammoth de-mining program, anyway.

I agree with this wholeheartedly.

Give Ukrainians everything they think they can use to destroy enough of the Russian invasion force that the rest goes home immediately. Then give them whatever they think they need to stop the Russians from coming back.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 10, 2023, 06:11:14 PM
The European Union was a fantastic idea for many reasons, and England should re-join the European Union.

Bambu was talking about ways to prevent World Wars and the European Union is one way to prevent wars in Europe, and it also makes Europe stronger against outside forces and promotes peace through strength. So, the European Union helps to promote cooperation and peace in  Europe, while at the same time making Europe stronger against outside forces.

There is also the issue of world trade, and Europe needs to work together in order to be able to do trade with big nations like China and the United States and India, etc. Italy is small like California, and Italy needs the help of the French and the Spaniards and the other people in Europe the same way that California needs the help of New York and Ohio and Texas.

England would be wise to re-join the European Union.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 10, 2023, 06:51:12 PM
Time to arm Ukraine with cluster bombs so they can use them on Russian troops, all day and all night until they're all dead.

Russia is killing civilians in Ukraine with cluster bombs.
One nice Ukrainian lady was cycling with her husband.
Russian cluster bomb killed her.
Her husband was only left with an empty bicycle to love.
The sooner Russian troops are turned into ash like the lady cyclist was the better.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Espnthree on July 10, 2023, 08:37:04 PM
As to the Cluster Bombs

As to the Cluster Bombs
The NY Times weighs in:

With Ukraine using up ordinary artillery shells at a huge rate (the United States alone has sent more than two million rounds to Ukraine), the cluster munitions, of which the United States has a bountiful supply, could give Ukrainian forces an advantage in prying the Russians from their trenches and fortifications along the 620milelong front. Besides, Russia has been using its own cluster munitions, as has Ukraine, from the outset of the war, and Ukrainian  leaders have been urgently asking for more.

This is a flawed and troubling logic. In the face of the widespread global condemnation of cluster munitions and the danger they pose to civilians long after the fighting is over, this is not a weapon that a nation with the power and influence of the United States should be spreading.

Defending the decision to supply the weapons to Ukraine, Biden national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, argued that Ukraine would not be using the munitions in a foreign land but on its own territory.
 These are their citizens they protecting, and they are motivated to use any weapon system they have in a way that minimizes the risk to these citizens?

And we thought only Joe  was senile.
 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 10, 2023, 08:45:38 PM
Wow, red. You have found another topic in which you can apply neither context or perspective. That is a huge surprise.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 10, 2023, 10:19:32 PM
As to the Cluster Bombs

As to the Cluster Bombs
The NY Times weighs in:

With Ukraine using up ordinary artillery shells at a huge rate (the United States alone has sent more than two million rounds to Ukraine), the cluster munitions, of which the United States has a bountiful supply, could give Ukrainian forces an advantage in prying the Russians from their trenches and fortifications along the 620milelong front. Besides, Russia has been using its own cluster munitions, as has Ukraine, from the outset of the war, and Ukrainian  leaders have been urgently asking for more.

This is a flawed and troubling logic. In the face of the widespread global condemnation of cluster munitions and the danger they pose to civilians long after the fighting is over, this is not a weapon that a nation with the power and influence of the United States should be spreading.

Defending the decision to supply the weapons to Ukraine, Biden national security adviser, Jake Sullivan, argued that Ukraine would not be using the munitions in a foreign land but on its own territory.
 These are their citizens they protecting, and they are motivated to use any weapon system they have in a way that minimizes the risk to these citizens?

And we thought only Joe  was senile.

This is a flawed and troubling logic. In the face of the widespread global condemnation of cluster munitions and the danger they pose to civilians long after the fighting is over, this is not a weapon that a nation with the power and influence of the United States should be spreading.


The Ukrainian countryside is so littered with unexplored bomblets dropped by Russians the Ukrainians are going to have to mount a gigantic project to de-mine the nation anyway.

Logic, thine embrace eludes Red.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 10, 2023, 10:21:14 PM
YOU FIGHT TO WIN THE WAR! HELLO? YOU FIGHT TO WIN THE WAR

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 11, 2023, 10:23:28 AM
Any thoughts on the proposed sending of cluster bombs to Ukraine?

Yeah.

Ukraine is fighting on its own territory and will be more likely to protect its citizen as opposed to Russian indiscriminate destruction and killing.

If Ukraine is going to advance the offensive they need to use the ammo that increase force projection, cluster weapons.

The folks lamenting the possibility of civilians being injured or maimed by the unexploded bomblets ignore the fact the Ukrainian countryside is already littered with the remains of Russian cluster weapons which means when the hostilities are done Ukraine is going to have to mount a mammoth de-mining program, anyway.

Good points.  I would hope Uke uses them judiciously.  The thing to avoid is fertile crop fields that won't be usable for years or decades (as in parts of northern France).  Ukraine's rebuild economy will depend on its arable land among other things.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 11, 2023, 10:35:11 AM

Logic, thine embrace eludes Red.

Well, he is now quoting the radical far-Left NY Times, so that's something.  😏
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 11, 2023, 09:26:25 PM
Someone else linked to it. He just forwards what he is fed.

I am not sure how much actual use anyone is getting out of that idiot.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 14, 2023, 08:45:28 PM
The Russian army, like many places in the United States under republican administration, is increasingly defined solely by its morgue trucks.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 14, 2023, 09:28:23 PM
JAPAN:

Protesters ranting about NATO, objecting to their Prime Minister's presence at the NATO summit.
"No NATO in Asia, no war".
What a joke., given Japan's evil, butchering, torturing, bombing past.

The QUAD...Japan, India, Australia, US...is not a defence pact...more like a friendship group.

When (Xi said "by force if necessary") China invades Taiwan, guess who could be next...Japan.
If I were Japan I'd be getting into NATO at the first opportunity.
Australia should do the same, force Europe to defend Australia...least Europe should do, given the number of Australians who died or were maimed for life defending them from Germany...twice.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 14, 2023, 10:40:23 PM
If you keep with leaders like Albo instead of losers like Scummo, the civilized world may one day return your calls.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 15, 2023, 12:34:37 AM
If I were Japan I'd be getting into NATO at the first opportunity.
Australia should do the same, force Europe to defend Australia...l
So what part of "North Atlantic" are you having trouble with?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 15, 2023, 02:18:19 AM
North Atlantic is like Ireland, less a real place and more a state of mind.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 16, 2023, 11:21:08 AM
http://www.salon.com/2023/07/15/nato-summit-was-a-success-even-without-ukraines-entrance-european-unity-strikes-a-blow-to-putin/ (http://www.salon.com/2023/07/15/nato-summit-was-a-success-even-without-ukraines-entrance-european-unity-strikes-a-blow-to-putin/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 16, 2023, 02:54:17 PM
If I were Japan I'd be getting into NATO at the first opportunity.
Australia should do the same, force Europe to defend Australia...l
So what part of "North Atlantic" are you having trouble with?

Japan and Australia were at the NATO summit.
Why?
Seems NATO could be becoming my COUSAN idea...Coalition Of US Aligned Nations.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 16, 2023, 03:22:26 PM
Sounds like another colonial outpost is trying to get itself a vote.

It worked well for Hawaii, not so well for Puerto Rico or Guam.

How are your pineapples?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 16, 2023, 04:00:59 PM
Sounds like another colonial outpost is trying to get itself a vote.

It worked well for Hawaii, not so well for Puerto Rico or Guam.

How are your pineapples?

I buy mine in summer, in cans from the supermarket shelf.
*
Some Britons think Australia, and New Zealand, are indeed still colonies.
/colonial outposts.
I discovered this from a forum in Britain.
They were astounded to learn that Australia, and New Zealand are both independent self-governing countries with their own national anthems and all.
And have been for a very long time.


Like a century.

*
No great surprise really, given some of the questions asked on the  information line for the 2000 Sydney Olympics.

"Do you have milk in Australia?
Do you have trains and buses in Australia?
Do you have jewellery in Australia?
Do you have  perfume in Australia?"

Kind of understandable though, given that the global internet wasn't what it is today.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 16, 2023, 08:57:31 PM
It is more understandable because of how backwards you are Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 16, 2023, 09:43:19 PM
I just Googled "are there trains and buses in Australia?"

Answer: "The transport options available in Australia include buses, trains, trams and ferries. Your access to these transport services will vary depending on where you live."

Would've been no need to phone the hotline...if Dr Google had been everywhere.
So many immigrants pouring in, there's not a seat for everyone on said public transport.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 16, 2023, 10:31:56 PM
Break out the carriers!
Break out the Stealths!
Break out the missiles!
Break out the lasers!

According to a report in the Mirror by Will Stewart and Anthony Thrower, Russia is threatening to send in its mercenary army and invade countries seen as NATO's "weakest links", according to a key insider.

A top pro-Putin parliamentarian and reservist general says Wagner is set to be used to take an area known as The Suwalki Corridor - a 60 mile strip of land straddling the border between Poland and Lithuania.

It has massive strategic importance for NATO and the EU - as well as Russia.


#####

Should be interesting if NATO loses.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 16, 2023, 10:49:44 PM
If NATO loses there is a chance you will still get paid though it hardly matters with what the Ruble is worth these days.

I imagine you waddle like a pregnant woman. If you had the balls to take public transit I am sure some polite immigrants would make the mistake and stand up to offer you their seats out of sympathy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 17, 2023, 04:48:23 PM
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ukraine-helicopter-jet-pilots-attacking-behind-russian-lines-ds5vdtpbs

...patriotic Ukrainian women have bared their breasts at them from the ground...

Boo(b)sting morale.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 17, 2023, 05:56:45 PM
Whatever stiffens their resolve.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on July 24, 2023, 04:05:22 PM
What's the latest, does sleepy Joe still want to invade China over Taiwan? Please keep that crazy old man off of the red button.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 24, 2023, 04:29:07 PM
What's the latest, does sleepy Joe still want to invade China over Taiwan? Please keep that crazy old man off of the red button.

Put the cork in the bottle and go to sleep.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 24, 2023, 06:28:47 PM
Luee has earned the right to make a complete and utter fool of himself all day every day.

Could he have that right without exercising it? Sure. Would that help him make a point now and then? Sure, but that would only matter if he knew what the points are that he is trying to make.

I think it is a good thing that Luee constantly makes noise. It lets me know where he is.

Luee is not the kind of person you ever want to let creep up on you unobserved.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on July 24, 2023, 07:21:13 PM
What's the latest, does sleepy Joe still want to invade China over Taiwan?

Are you still beating your wife?

Biden has pledged to defend Taiwan, as all presidents since 1949 have done.  That's not invading China.  Show me where he said he wants to invade China. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 24, 2023, 07:34:35 PM
What's the latest, does sleepy Joe still want to invade China over Taiwan?

Are you still beating your wife?

Biden has pledged to defend Taiwan, as all presidents since 1949 have done.  That's not invading China.  Show me where he said he wants to invade China.
It is the same place he says he wants open borders. The dim, unlit, cobwebbed crevices of luee's imagination.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 25, 2023, 05:04:39 AM
What's the latest, does sleepy Joe still want to invade China over Taiwan?

Are you still beating your wife?

Biden has pledged to defend Taiwan, as all presidents since 1949 have done.  That's not invading China.  Show me where he said he wants to invade China.
It is the same place he says he wants open borders. The dim, unlit, cobwebbed crevices of luee's imagination.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on July 29, 2023, 07:04:41 PM
Prighozin dick slapped Putin again.


https://fortune.com/2023/07/29/prigozhin-upstages-putin-russia-africa-summit-niger-st-petersburg/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on July 30, 2023, 04:26:06 AM
Moscow bombed by drones...Putin blames Ukraine for the "terror attack".
If it was Ukraine, then that is only fair, as Russia has been blowing Ukraine to bits.
When bombs start falling on Moscow, maybe then the Russian people might rise up against Putin and co.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2023, 01:05:40 PM
http://newlinesmag.com/argument/russians-see-ukrainian-progress-where-others-dont/ (http://newlinesmag.com/argument/russians-see-ukrainian-progress-where-others-dont/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine, monkey trap edition
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2023, 02:45:55 AM
Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Spokesperson Vadym Skibitskyi stated that the most important elements of the Ukrainian counteroffensive are unexpectedness and accuracy, not speed.

Iydk nyk.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 09, 2023, 07:16:27 AM
Russian Bear choking on Ukrainian porcupine


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/08/08/putin-russia-ukraine-war-strategy/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on August 10, 2023, 07:14:11 AM
Could not defeat the primitive Taliban. No chance against a modern nation with a lot of friends. Just so much death and destruction.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2023, 01:37:52 PM
Russia in its previous incarnation could not defeat the Taliban. That is true. Now they are killing their ability to wage war for a generation or more or even to keep their thuggish federation together. This can happen to any government that lets racism drive its policy to appeal to the lowest shittiest bigots in its population.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 10, 2023, 02:10:52 PM
Could not defeat the primitive Taliban. No chance against a modern nation with a lot of friends. Just so much death and destruction.

This war was supposed to be over in a week, remember?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2023, 02:29:36 PM
Could not defeat the primitive Taliban. No chance against a modern nation with a lot of friends. Just so much death and destruction.

This war was supposed to be over in a week, remember?

Luee wakes up with shit in his pants then he desperately tries to find a reason he shits himself.

He should probably get something better than mayo on wonder bread into his diet even if that means the immigrants will win.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 10, 2023, 05:04:39 PM
Could not defeat the primitive Taliban. No chance against a modern nation with a lot of friends. Just so much death and destruction.

This war was supposed to be over in a week, remember?

Luee wakes up with shit in his pants then he desperately tries to find a reason he shits himself.

He should probably get something better than mayo on wonder bread into his diet even if that means the immigrants will win.

Today, in the woke and cut throat world in which we live...mayo and wonder bread are all some people can afford.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2023, 06:10:34 PM
Could not defeat the primitive Taliban. No chance against a modern nation with a lot of friends. Just so much death and destruction.

This war was supposed to be over in a week, remember?

Luee wakes up with shit in his pants then he desperately tries to find a reason he shits himself.

He should probably get something better than mayo on wonder bread into his diet even if that means the immigrants will win.

Today, in the woke and cut throat world in which we live...mayo and wonder bread are all some people can afford.

The world you live in is not even slightly woke. The sensation at your throat is a direct result of your head being so far up your ass. That is all.

If you are hungry, come get a taco. That goes for Luee as well.

http://youtu.be/WNeqR0fs42o (http://youtu.be/WNeqR0fs42o)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 10, 2023, 09:37:57 PM
Could not defeat the primitive Taliban. No chance against a modern nation with a lot of friends. Just so much death and destruction.

This war was supposed to be over in a week, remember?

Luee wakes up with shit in his pants then he desperately tries to find a reason he shits himself.

He should probably get something better than mayo on wonder bread into his diet even if that means the immigrants will win.

Today, in the woke and cut throat world in which we live...mayo and wonder bread are all some people can afford.

The world you live in is not even slightly woke. The sensation at your throat is a direct result of your head being so far up your ass. That is all.

If you are hungry, come get a taco. That goes for Luee as well.

http://youtu.be/WNeqR0fs42o (http://youtu.be/WNeqR0fs42o)

I didn't mean me, if I get stuck I have Vegemite toast, peanut butter toast and honey toast as saviours.

My world is so woke now that free speech is allegedly being stifled in schools and unis...try having a different opinion from what is being preached and see how you get on...all detailed in my media recently.
See if you graduate.

Wisdom is to go along with it all, graduate, then use the ballot box and anonymous lobbying to change narratives you don't like.
"The violent Left" is a thing.

For example, give an indication you'll be voting "yes" in Albo's "Voice" referendum, then vote "NO" in the ballot box.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2023, 02:06:18 AM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 11, 2023, 06:39:46 PM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.

I now weigh 187 lbs.
5'7" short.
Hand to hand combat is out of the question...so best I have guns.
Not allowed to have guns, no wonder I "jump at shadows".
Not allowed to carry knives, swords, crossbows, long bows, nail rods, etc, anything that can be used as a weapon.
A sitting duck I surely am.
Most of the bad people seem to sleep all day and come out after dark.
So after dark I run inside and shut all the windows and doors, shut all the blinds and curtains, switch on the outside sensor lights...and hope for the best.
Going to night footy games in Sydney is "traumatic", the roads out after dark are dim, dark and dingey, lonely if you break down, and cold, misty, raining 'often' and eerie in winter.
I have top shelf auto club membership, so they'll come and get me/us...sitting in the car by the side of the road for an hour would be a nightmare..."exit the car and move to a safer place" or "stay in the car and risk being smashed into by crazy truck drivers"...not much of a choice.
If only I could carry guns.
Guns are great...for self defence, in the dark and cold when broken down beside highways and backroads.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 11, 2023, 06:56:05 PM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.

I now weigh 187 lbs.
5'7" short.
Hand to hand combat is out of the question...so best I have guns.
Not allowed to have guns, no wonder I "jump at shadows".
Not allowed to carry knives, swords, crossbows, long bows, nail rods, etc, anything that can be used as a weapon.
A sitting duck I surely am.
The bad people seem to sleep all day and come out after dark.
So after dark I run inside and shut all the windows and doors, shut all the blinds and curtains, switch on the outside sensor lights...and hope for the best.
Going to night footy game in Sydney is "traumatic", the roads out after dark are dim, dark and dingey, lonely if you break down, and cold, misty, raining 'often' and eerie in winter.
I have top shelf auto club membership, so they'll come and get me/us...sitting in the car by the side of the road for an hour would be a nightmare..."exit the ar and move to a safer place" or "stay in the car and risk being smashed into by crazy truck drivers"...not much of a choice.
If only I could carry guns.
Guns are great...for self defence, in the dark and cold when broken diwn beside highways and backroads.

You need to have a community of people who work together as a team to make your neighborhood nice and safe for all of you, and you need to have a Neighborhood Watch program, etc.

And like when I lived in beautiful expensive mansions which were used as group homes, we had to all work together as a team to make it safe so that we could enjoy having a beautiful expensive house to live in. It was a beautiful house with a rose garden, etc, and they were feeding everyone great food, we simply had to work together as a team to keep it safe so that we could enjoy living there. And it is the same with this apartment complex, we have over 100 people here in this complex and we work together to keep it safe. And I live right by City Hall and I feel like we have a community here in Anaheim. And we have a great police department, etc.

God wants for us to have a community of Christians and for us to work together as a team. Christians can feed the hungry, and house the homeless, and people can also work together to form Neighborhood Watch programs, etc. There can also be more Wellness Centers, and Mental Health Associations, etc. And Crisis Intervention Specialists can assist the cities, etc.

My community has an old protection gang that used to protect the farm workers, etc, La Fabrica, and they still work together to watch over the neighborhoods. The community also has a good representative at City Hall and we have a good Mayor, and a good police department.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 11, 2023, 07:00:07 PM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.
I tried the personality thing, talk with strangers/friends of the brides and grooms at weddings and people at parties.
It didn't work out, my conversations were mocked.
Seemingly not high-powered enough, or seemingly boring...maybe not Leftist/PC enough.
I would rather not have been there anyway, so now I don't go to social functions if I can possibly avoid them. If forced to go I just eat the food, compliment the hosts and others, then look at my phone all day/night.
Or I let people come to me, they initiating conversation.
My most successful conversations are with people under 5 and over 80...oh and dogs.



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 11, 2023, 07:07:17 PM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.
I tried the personality thing, talk with strangers/friends of the brides and grooms at weddings and people at parties.
It didn't work out, my conversations were mocked.
Seeming not high-powered enough, or seemingly boring...maybe not Leftist/PC enough.
I would rather not have been there anyway, so now I don't go to social functions if I can possibly avoid them. If forced to go I just eat the food, compliment the hosts and others, then look at my phone all day/night.
Or I let people come to me, they initiating conversation.
My most successful conversations are with people under 5 and over 80...oh and dogs.

The secret at parties is to simply be a good listener.

I had a teacher in high school who was an actor, and he taught us how to behave at Hollywood parties. He was friends with Ricardo Mantalban, and Michael Landon, and with other stars, and they used to have parties every weekend for charity for and other reasons and just for fun because Hollywood loves to party. My teacher told us that the secret at Hollywood parties is to be a good listener, and if all that you do is listen then at the end of the night everyone will talk about what a great Guy you are. I was lucky to have teachers who taught me how to behave at Hollywood parties.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 11, 2023, 07:36:55 PM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.
I tried the personality thing, talk with strangers/friends of the brides and grooms at weddings and people at parties.
It didn't work out, my conversations were mocked.
Seemingly not high-powered enough, or seemingly boring...maybe not Leftist/PC enough.
I would rather not have been there anyway, so now I don't go to social functions if I can possibly avoid them. If forced to go I just eat the food, compliment the hosts and others, then look at my phone all day/night.
Or I let people come to me, they initiating conversation.
My most successful conversations are with people under 5 and over 80...oh and dogs.

You could put these ideas together in a tight bit and do an open mic night as the humble misanthrope.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2023, 08:31:43 PM
https://gradycartoons.com/recent-works/

Two new cartoons.

You have Roofie T Firefly down in all his late stage dilapidation. I also agree that Christie seems to be having the most fun.

Keep em coming. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 11, 2023, 08:50:54 PM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.
I tried the personality thing, talk with strangers/friends of the brides and grooms at weddings and people at parties.
It didn't work out, my conversations were mocked.
Seemingly not high-powered enough, or seemingly boring...maybe not Leftist/PC enough.
I would rather not have been there anyway, so now I don't go to social functions if I can possibly avoid them. If forced to go I just eat the food, compliment the hosts and others, then look at my phone all day/night.
Or I let people come to me, they initiating conversation.
My most successful conversations are with people under 5 and over 80...oh and dogs.

You could put these ideas together in a tight bit and do an open mic night as the humble misanthrope.

Humility is for fools.
Tried that, humility, it didn't work out either.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 11, 2023, 09:58:24 PM
You are a roly-poly bug with less personality and a bigger carbon footprint.
I tried the personality thing, talk with strangers/friends of the brides and grooms at weddings and people at parties.
It didn't work out, my conversations were mocked.
Seemingly not high-powered enough, or seemingly boring...maybe not Leftist/PC enough.
I would rather not have been there anyway, so now I don't go to social functions if I can possibly avoid them. If forced to go I just eat the food, compliment the hosts and others, then look at my phone all day/night.
Or I let people come to me, they initiating conversation.
My most successful conversations are with people under 5 and over 80...oh and dogs.

You could put these ideas together in a tight bit and do an open mic night as the humble misanthrope.

Humility is for fools.
Tried that, humility, it didn't work out either.

Then just be yourself. A misanthropic ass.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2023, 11:21:17 PM
I think Bambu is pretty close to mastering a persistent vegetative state.

Whoever is feeding him shit and keeping him in the dark has not turned him into a fun guy.

No fun for you, Bambu.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 12, 2023, 12:00:58 AM
I think Bambu is pretty close to mastering a persistent vegetative state.

Whoever is feeding him shit and keeping him in the dark has not turned him into a fun guy.

No fun for you, Bambu.

I have fun just looking at the beautiful blue sky, blue ocean, and scenery around.
It's a beautiful sunny winter's day today, not a cloud in the sky.

I have fun on YouTube every day...travel, jokes, it's fun central.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 12, 2023, 12:16:19 AM
Not close. There.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 12, 2023, 06:45:38 PM
Not close. There.


Fun means different things to different people.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 12, 2023, 10:11:08 PM
Not close. There.


Fun means different things to different people.

When I was a child it was FUN to sit and listen to Grandpa tell stories. We lived in Battle Mountain, Nevada, where it was very cold, and my Grandpa would tell us stories. And then later my Grandmother told me stories about the Great Depression here in California, etc. I used to love to listen to the stories from the elders.

So fun can be as simple as drinking coffee and listening to stories from the old timers.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 12, 2023, 10:14:57 PM
Tony does his part for our collective good time.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 13, 2023, 03:50:31 AM
Fun = enjoyment, amusement.

"and she'll have fun, fun, fun 'til her daddy takes her T Bird away".
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2023, 07:01:26 PM
http://youtu.be/ie-LVs3Rj1M (http://youtu.be/ie-LVs3Rj1M)

You silly so and so
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 14, 2023, 08:58:38 AM
Another baby slaughtered by Russia today as it bombed another residential area.
It really is time to bomb Russia.
Ukraine is just going to get bombed into ash, slowly but surely.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2023, 09:34:29 AM
In Syria Assad has been dropping barrel bombs on women and children for years.
Bambu:  Assad's a good man.  He's saving Christianity.  What's a few dead Muslims?

I'm glad you figured out that children matter.  Welcome to the word of decent people.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on August 14, 2023, 10:08:43 AM
2nd that.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2023, 01:24:01 PM
He will dip out as suddenly as he dipped in.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 14, 2023, 02:07:02 PM
In Syria Assad has been dropping barrel bombs on women and children for years.
Bambu:  Assad's a good man.  He's saving Christianity.  What's a few dead Muslims?

I'm glad you figured out that children matter.  Welcome to the word of decent people.

Time to drop bombs on Russia, no matter who gets killed.
Russia/ns have left the west no choice.
Same as with Germany...Britain bombed Dresden
Allies bombed Germany.
US-Allies fire-bombed Tokyo.
US nuked Japan.
Kill or be killed.
Assad?
Muslims are burning Christians alive in bread ovens, among other horrors.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2023, 02:33:57 PM
Don't ever change.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 17, 2023, 01:11:30 AM
"live fully" is subjective.

Some people think "living fully" is climbing Everest, hiking in wilderness/anywhere, bungee jumping, skiing, racing cars, diving, holidaying in Bali, and surfing in Indonesia.
Best of luck to them.

Other people think "living fully" is living in a coastal paradise with a good spouse, good dog, good neighbours, watching sport live and on tv.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 17, 2023, 07:46:09 PM
Life is not meant for you, Bambu. You would only waste it.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 17, 2023, 08:06:43 PM
Life is not meant for you, Bambu. You would only waste it.

lol

You go hiking in Yellowstone with the bison, venomous and constrictor snakes, grizzly bears and mountain lions...and I'll go hiking along my local beach and watch Yellowstone on YouTube.
A better life for me. :)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 18, 2023, 04:47:42 AM
The idea of you having the testicular fortitude to walk on a beach is laughable.

Go on, pull the other one.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 18, 2023, 07:17:39 AM
The idea of you having the testicular fortitude to walk on a beach is laughable.

Go on, pull the other one.

I walk on a beach, sometimes.
I don't do it often, don't like the sand in my car.
I prefer to sit in my car and enjoy the view in comfort.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on August 18, 2023, 09:18:51 AM
Then there are these folks off the south coast of England

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/sunflowers-naked-visitors-gbr-scli-intl/index.html

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on August 18, 2023, 10:29:39 AM
Life is not meant for you, Bambu. You would only waste it.

lol

You go hiking in Yellowstone with the bison, venomous and constrictor snakes, grizzly bears and mountain lions...


The only venomous snake species in Yellowstone (where I've hiked) is the prairie rattler, and it's fairly rare at elevation, and tends to be reclusive and avoid trafficked paths.

I once took a whiz in Yellowstone and I saw a rattler flee in terror - it saw my junk and knew it was outmatched.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 18, 2023, 04:22:48 PM
Life is not meant for you, Bambu. You would only waste it.

lol

You go hiking in Yellowstone with the bison, venomous and constrictor snakes, grizzly bears and mountain lions...


The only venomous snake species in Yellowstone (where I've hiked) is the prairie rattler, and it's fairly rare at elevation, and tends to be reclusive and avoid trafficked paths.

I once took a whiz in Yellowstone and I saw a rattler flee in terror - it saw my junk and knew it was outmatched.

Being strangled to death by a 6ft long Bull Boa is what I'd be fearing.
Bloody snakes, someone should blow snakes up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 18, 2023, 05:11:09 PM
Life is not meant for you, Bambu. You would only waste it.

lol

You go hiking in Yellowstone with the bison, venomous and constrictor snakes, grizzly bears and mountain lions...


The only venomous snake species in Yellowstone (where I've hiked) is the prairie rattler, and it's fairly rare at elevation, and tends to be reclusive and avoid trafficked paths.

I once took a whiz in Yellowstone and I saw a rattler flee in terror - it saw my junk and knew it was outmatched.

Being strangled to death by a 6ft long Bull Boa is what I'd be fearing.
Bloody snakes, someone should blow snakes up.

http://youtu.be/8cv9yKxIEYI?si=mNiObAbfz4qJmUlu (http://youtu.be/8cv9yKxIEYI?si=mNiObAbfz4qJmUlu)

Im alright. Dont nobody worry bout me.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 18, 2023, 05:14:43 PM
dailytelegraph dot com.au

F-16s sent to Ukraine amid key battlefield gain

The United States has approved a major escalation with the supply of fighter jets to Ukraine as Russia loses ground near a pivotal frontline city.

#####

Great news.
Now for the bombers and big missiles.
Time to get after Russia, and get it out of Ukraine.

British warplanes were scrambled the other day as Russian bombers flew near Scotland's air space.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on August 18, 2023, 08:50:35 PM

Being strangled to death by a 6ft long Bull Boa is what I'd be fearing.
Bloody snakes, someone should blow snakes up.

Erm... doesn't Oz have a mouse problem?  Snakes are definitely your nation's allies in controlling rodents running rampant.

Yes, cue Kenny Loggins.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 18, 2023, 08:53:50 PM
The off brand RT Bambi takes as news is as pro-mouse as it is pro-coal.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 19, 2023, 03:27:25 PM
The off brand RT Bambi takes as news is as pro-mouse as it is pro-coal.

Snakes, and cats, are useless against a mice plague...poison, traps, and guns are the best weapons.
Coal is necessary in the "sensible transition to renewables"....
as coal is:

. Available.
. Reliable
. Affordable

China is building two new coal-fired power stations per week...reportedly.

Not much sense on display by the Lefist govt in bambuworld at the moment, in its mad rush to renewables.
More like non-sense.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 19, 2023, 05:25:53 PM
The off brand RT Bambi takes as news is as pro-mouse as it is pro-coal.

Snakes, and cats, are useless against a mice plague...poison, traps, and guns are the best weapons.
Coal in necessary in the "sensible transition to renewables"....
as coal is:

. Available.
. Reliable
. Affordable

China is building two new coal-fired power stations per week...reportedly.

Not much sense on display by the Lefist govt in bambuworld at the moment, in its mad rush to renewables.
More like non-sense.

China has issued permits to build a coal plant every two weeks but they are building a sustainable present.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/29/china-wind-solar-power-global-renewable-energy-leader
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 19, 2023, 06:11:40 PM
"Hurricane Hilary to hit California" - Sky News

#####

Yes, nowhere is safe.
Hope it's not like the Florida one.
Are there any safe evacuation bunkers/shelters for people to run to?
Should people have packed up and left by now?

xxxxx

"At least 7 killed by Russian missile strike in Ukraine".
Yes, but not "10 killed by Ukrainian missile strike in Russia".
Until there is, Ukraine will just keep getting wiped out.

'Only' way the Allies won WW2 was to bomb Germany and Japan everywhere,  large bombs to make craters to hinder rescuers and blow out the windows of buildings/homes...then fire bombs, the airflow fanning the fires.
Hundreds of thousands of civilians killed.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 19, 2023, 06:17:35 PM
We are hunkering down. Trouble is if you are in a dry gully or flood plain. I am at the lip of a plateau, so my main thing is getting things flat and set so they are less likely to blow around.

I wrapped my garden into unistrut frames with sunshade fabric. We will see how it does.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on August 19, 2023, 06:27:32 PM
We are hunkering down. Trouble is if you are in a dry gully or flood plain. I am at the lip of a plateau, so my main thing is getting things flat and set so they are less likely to blow around.

I wrapped my garden into unistrut frames with sunshade fabric. We will see how it does.

Won't you get blown away with your house?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 19, 2023, 06:36:53 PM
We are hunkering down. Trouble is if you are in a dry gully or flood plain. I am at the lip of a plateau, so my main thing is getting things flat and set so they are less likely to blow around.

I wrapped my garden into unistrut frames with sunshade fabric. We will see how it does.

Won't you get blown away with your house?
Sweet Jesus, did you think The Wizard of Oz was a documentary?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 19, 2023, 08:08:33 PM
We are hunkering down. Trouble is if you are in a dry gully or flood plain. I am at the lip of a plateau, so my main thing is getting things flat and set so they are less likely to blow around.

I wrapped my garden into unistrut frames with sunshade fabric. We will see how it does.

Won't you get blown away with your house?
Sweet Jesus, did you think The Wizard of Oz was a documentary?

He might have been referencing Up.

My house survived the last one in 53. It had already been up for 20 years at that point.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 19, 2023, 10:36:46 PM
We are hunkering down. Trouble is if you are in a dry gully or flood plain. I am at the lip of a plateau, so my main thing is getting things flat and set so they are less likely to blow around.

I wrapped my garden into unistrut frames with sunshade fabric. We will see how it does.

Won't you get blown away with your house?
Sweet Jesus, did you think The Wizard of Oz was a documentary?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 20, 2023, 08:08:29 AM
The Universe dick slaps Putin AGAIN!


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/20/science/russia-moon-space-crash.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on August 20, 2023, 09:38:56 AM
We are hunkering down. Trouble is if you are in a dry gully or flood plain. I am at the lip of a plateau, so my main thing is getting things flat and set so they are less likely to blow around.

I wrapped my garden into unistrut frames with sunshade fabric. We will see how it does.

Won't you get blown away with your house?
Sweet Jesus, did you think The Wizard of Oz was a documentary?

Side note: there is a connection between the book Road to Oz, a sequel to Baum's Wizard  of Oz, and a phrase, "friend of Dorothy," that used to be code in the gay community in the US.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 20, 2023, 03:56:57 PM
Ukraine is willing to trade Bellgorod for peace and independence. That might be the best offer Putin gets.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 20, 2023, 07:42:34 PM
The people of the Netherlands are proud to provide their F-16s to Ukraine.

The Dutch see it a retribution for MH17.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on August 23, 2023, 11:15:59 AM
Putin must die for the war to end. Cult leader goes down takes followers with him in an ashen heap. Where have we seen this before?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on August 23, 2023, 12:42:37 PM
Waco would have probably gone better for the Branch Davidians if they had had nukes.

I don't think anyone can back down at this stage, so I think it comes down to internal strife in the Russian command structure.  Prigozhin was the first crack, more to follow.   Putin could end up dead, or he might be given option to announce his retirement and quietly retreat to his dacha.  He has played up the madman with nukes image, but if proper persuasion is applied he will step away.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on August 23, 2023, 12:54:07 PM
It looks like the only step away for Putin is out a window.

Another month or two like the last one and Russian lines will weaken and collapse. That could change the calculus to no small extent.

I think Putin will lose Ukraine then his life in that order.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 23, 2023, 01:53:43 PM
Apparently no open windows were handy.

Jet Crash In Russia Kills 10, Wagner Chief Was On Passenger List
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jet-crash-in-russia-kills-10-wagner-chief-was-on-passenger-list_n_64e64162e4b0a04c2ed7dfaf
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on August 23, 2023, 03:28:45 PM
Eyewitness reports are suggesting the jet was attacked with SAMs.  The woman in this video says as much.

https://youtu.be/tI1hK2PgpE8

I guess this has deniability for Putin, but plausible deniability?  Nyet. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on August 23, 2023, 03:32:33 PM
When you come at the King you best not miss!

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/08/23/world/prigozhin-russia-ukraine-war-news?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 03, 2023, 04:46:41 PM
Initially you could believe some of his complaints about Nato. But he has gone completely insane with an invasion and indiscriminate bombings. Does not take a genius to figure out. Putin dies and thousands of lives are saved.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 04, 2023, 09:26:31 PM
You are right. Go get him, Luee. You are not doing anyone one iota of good by staying here.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 06, 2023, 05:39:14 AM
 https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/5/2191502/-Ukraine-Update-Ukraine-breaches-Russia-s-2nd-Surovikin-Line-west-of-Verbove (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/9/5/2191502/-Ukraine-Update-Ukraine-breaches-Russia-s-2nd-Surovikin-Line-west-of-Verbove)

Tic toc, tick tock.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on September 10, 2023, 05:27:24 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/americas/manuel-antonio-noriega-dead-panama.html

The United Nations is being tested, removing Putin can be as easy as removing Noriega and sending him to Prison, we can put Putin in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. We can send in United Nations Forces to remove Putin and put him in Guantanamo Bay. It can be as easy as that.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 10, 2023, 05:58:01 PM
Initially you could believe some of his complaints about Nato. But he has gone completely insane with an invasion and indiscriminate bombings. Does not take a genius to figure out. Putin dies and thousands of lives are saved.

He wanted Russia to join NATO when he first became President, but that was rejected.
Now he basically runs the UN, along with China.
NK guy is now their best buddy, as they run the world...the world now paying the price for putting all its eggs in the China basket.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on September 10, 2023, 07:07:54 PM
If a little Girl can move the whole world to action on Climate Change, think about what a Shakespearean Actor can do! Let me go speak at the United Nations. We can tell Putin to pack his bags and get ready to move to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

I am not afraid to speak at the United Nations.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on September 10, 2023, 07:18:48 PM
Here is some Shakespeare, I made the video to show a friend a new hat that I got from the Santa Fe Springs Swap Meet...

https://youtu.be/x3ZMT-G_WHE

When I was in Rome, Italy, there was a community theatre in our neighborhood and they were doing Moliere, and I am sure I could get them to do Shakespeare if I was there and if they were still up and running, I could direct "Julius Caesar" by Shakespeare, and if it is successful then maybe they would let me film "King Lear" at Cinecitta as a movie. There were actresses from the community theatre who lived in my building, they were cool. Plus there is the Saint Louis College of Music across the street, and also a subway to go to the Cinecitta movie studio.

And I am not afraid to speak at the United Nations. I will do it without a teleprompter.

We can tell Putin to pack his bags and to get ready to move to Cuba.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 10, 2023, 07:25:54 PM
There is earth one and earth two. There is also earth zero, where Bambi lives, where nothing is true but it all still scares the bejesus out of the lone inhabitant, a silly old white man in diapers.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 10, 2023, 07:28:47 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/30/world/americas/manuel-antonio-noriega-dead-panama.html

The United Nations is being tested, removing Putin can be as easy as removing Noriega and sending him to Prison, we can put Putin in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. We can send in United Nations Forces to remove Putin and put him in Guantanamo Bay. It can be as easy as that.

Salute,

Tony V.

If we do that, we need to try it out with all the republican governors first to make sure the process and facilities are truly secure.

We would not want to cause any new mishaps on an international scale.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 10, 2023, 07:54:09 PM
There is earth one and earth two. There is also earth zero, where Bambi lives, where nothing is true but it all still scares the bejesus out of the lone inhabitant, a silly old white man in diapers.

LOL

Silly maybe, but not in diapers yet.  :)

There was a campaign here recently "Bins for Blokes", to get special bins for men in public/stadium etc bathrooms, same as there are for women, for disposal of sanitary products, namely diapers.
To enable men [and boys] to be able to attend footy games and move around society in comfort.
The campaign seems to have failed.
Oh well, such is life.
If my 'diaper time' ever comes, no way I'll be staying away from the footy...so I'll just have to get creative.
My great nephew is a genius, maybe he can invent something.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 10, 2023, 08:40:29 PM
http://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/07/texas-higher-education-faculty-dei-tenure/ (http://www.texastribune.org/2023/09/07/texas-higher-education-faculty-dei-tenure/)

Brain drain is not just for Florida anymore.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on September 10, 2023, 09:22:19 PM
We can send Kenneth Branagh to speak at the United Nations...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Branagh

We can tell Kenneth to say that Putin is testing the United Nations, and the United Nations must rise to the call and send Putin to prison in Cuba. We must stop the senseless murder of innocents and the destruction of property by the criminal Putin, Putin is a criminal like Noriega, we can arrest Putin just like we did Noriega. We can send Putin to Prison in Cuba. And Kenneth Branagh can tell the United Nations with PASSION that Putin must go to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba for his crimes against humanity.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 10, 2023, 09:39:46 PM
Are these "we can send...." posts of yours some sort of strange joke? 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on September 10, 2023, 10:25:35 PM
HG Wells believed that if the Kings and Leaders worked together with the Artists, then he believed that we could work together to benefit society.

There have been some examples, such as Farm Aid with Willie Nelson, and other projects where the artists and leaders work together to benefit the people.

And Roy Rogers, and Ronald Reagan, and Gene Autry, they made history, and Walt Disney, and other great Americans from the Entertainment Industry, they benefited society, they were all altruistic. And Arnold.

Just as a magical "What if?" Then What if we could get Kenneth Branagh to speak to the United Nations? And if so what would we want him to say?

What if society could call on Great Men to aid and benefit society?

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on September 11, 2023, 03:58:03 PM
Are these "we can send...." posts of yours some sort of strange joke?

No, no, Ken could reprise his St Crispin's Day speech from Henry V that roused the troops at Agincourt!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on September 13, 2023, 11:40:37 AM
Are these "we can send...." posts of yours some sort of strange joke?

We can all chip in and send Tony a mail-order bride from Spain, Greece, Italy, Russia, etc. 
But I would not do that to any woman, no matter how desperate she is.

Tony has a good heart...he would make a kind woman a good partner.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on September 15, 2023, 05:18:41 PM
Putin must die. A drone upon his noggin would end all the madness.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on September 15, 2023, 05:26:39 PM
Now that North Korea has committed to supply armaments to Russia there is a stronger chance this war continues another year or more under the same methodology and tactics from the Ukrainian side as the West supports the cheap and efficient draining of both Russian and North Korean military capabilities until that side says uncle. This fuels political instability within two of the worlds most evil states while diminishing their ability to project military power.

The whole world benefits if Russia goes down in the field and wounds the few remaining allies it has in the process.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 04, 2023, 02:45:18 AM
Russia has won the war, hasn't it?
Yes.

And now that China, Russia, NK, Iran etc have formed a coalition, this victory will embolden them to invade and conquer Taiwan, Australia, Japan, the rest of Asia, ...and then Europe, that didn't really seem fully committed to helping Ukraine.

Then India, Canada, South America, and finally the US.

Sad really.
Oh well, too late now to stop them, the West should never have exported 'all' its manufacturing to China etc.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 04, 2023, 03:25:04 AM
We can have peace Bambu. Right now Australia needs to send food to China, and in return China can send Australia solar panels to meet your energy needs.

And use your Natural Gas, we are using Natural Gas in Anaheim for our Electricity, and the Citizens own the Electric Company and some of the money goes to help the homeless, etc, it is great. And we use Natural Gas for cooking, etc.

And the Philippines is on our Team, along with Taiwan, etc.

We need for the Peace Corps to be active, and Kiwanis International, and Youth For Christ, and other groups, need to work to help the poor and to stop the wars and to keep the peace.

And right now we can all focus on helping Jalisco, Mexico. And the British and the Australians and others can open Mexican restaurants, like Danny Trejo opening a taco restaurant in London.

On the issue of Ukraine, we need to make a plan, and the whole world needs to work together as a team to stop Putin. The United Nations must stop Putin. The same way that Napoleon was sent to Elba then we need to send Putin to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. It is time to put Putin in Prison.

And we can learn from the Germans with their "Blitzkreig" strategy of sending a huge over-powering force all at once with the element of surprise. The United Nations can put together a huge team and we can act all at once to remove Putin like we did with Noriega and we can put Putin in prison in Guantanamo Bay.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 04, 2023, 04:18:24 AM
What percentage of Russians live in poverty? Approximately 14 percent of the population of Russia lived below the national poverty line between January and March 2023.

Jul 24, 2023

--------

Almost 1 in 5 people in Russia is living in poverty. Russia is poor.

And the American people have closer ties to the Russian people than is realized, the Russians love American Rock and Roll, and a lot of our military guys have married Russian mail order brides, I have friends who married the Russian women from the Russian dating services, one friend married a Russian woman after he got back from serving in Afghanistan and he bought a nice house in Montana and he has children now with her and they are living the American Dream. There are a lot of Russians in America, and the military guys are marrying the Russian women from the Russian dating services.

It would be easier to remove Putin than people think, in my opinion. The United Nations needs to examine the idea of removing Putin and putting Putin in prison in Guantanamo Bay.

We can remove Putin just like we did Noriega, and we can put Putin in prison in Guantanamo Bay.

( Also of note, is our upper class has always had connections with the upper class in Russia, with Stanislavsky, and Anton Chekhov and Michael Chekhov, and with the Russian Ballet, etc, and New York City has the Russian Tea Room, etc. Kirk Douglas descended from Russian immigrants in New York. Etc. )

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 06, 2023, 12:45:49 PM
Russia back to blowing up civilians in Ukraine   at least 51 killed in missile strike.
A perfect example of why Australia must get nukes from some
where in a hurry.

Looks like the nuke subs are now not coming from the US.

Yes, the folly of Australia's signing nuke-non proliferation treaties and not arming itself with British nukes decades ago...in return for allowing Britain to test nukes in Australia long ago.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 06, 2023, 01:34:00 PM
Russia back to blowing up civilians in Ukraine   at least 51 killed in missile strike.
A perfect example of why Australia must get nukes from some
where in a hurry.

Looks like the nuke subs are now not coming from the US.
Of course not. Your cardboard billionaires cannot keep their goddamn mouths shut. No nukes for you!
Quote

Yes, the folly of Australia's signing nuke-non proliferation treaties and not arming itself with British nukes decades ago...in return for allowing Britain to test nukes in Australia long ago.
No one is attacking you. Why bother?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 06, 2023, 08:32:38 PM
Russia back to blowing up civilians in Ukraine   at least 51 killed in missile strike.
A perfect example of why Australia must get nukes from some
where in a hurry.

Looks like the nuke subs are now not coming from the US.
Of course not. Your cardboard billionaires cannot keep their goddamn mouths shut. No nukes for you!
Quote

Yes, the folly of Australia's signing nuke-non proliferation treaties and not arming itself with British nukes decades ago...in return for allowing Britain to test nukes in Australia long ago.
No one is attacking you. Why bother?

Yet.
The only way to stop them from doing so is to get nukes, subs would be best at this late stage...and have something to fire back.

The AUKUS alliance was hardly a secret!

2032?
2040?

Australia will be a province of China by then...and I a laundry/coal mine slave.
Think I might jump into the nearby Tasman Sea/Pacific Ocean 'billabong' before then.
Death before slavery!



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on October 06, 2023, 09:51:47 PM
a laundry/coal mine slave.


Don't ever change.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 07, 2023, 12:25:45 AM
Poland (isn't it a NATO country?) has stopped aiding Ukraine.
So too has Slovakia, new President.

Time for the evacuation of Ukraine to begin.
Get everyone out, relocate them around the world, then let Russia have it, move in.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 07, 2023, 02:20:38 AM
Evacuate Australia, surrender monkey. No one there will miss you
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 07, 2023, 05:49:33 AM
Evacuate Australia, surrender monkey. No one there will miss you

Slowly money and support for the protracted war in Ukraine are drying up, and Russia knows it, it is once agan threatening to use nukes if anyone attacks Russia, threatens to resume nuke testing.
There's only one solution, get out while they're still alive, the world obviously doesn't really care anymore,.
Russia will just keep on bombing Ukraine until everyone is dead or unable to live because there's nothing left.
US has run out of money.
Record debt there is.
No money for nuke subs for itself, let alone Australia now.
US Navy says it needs 66 attack subs but only has 48...or something.
Looking after oneself first is totally understandable. Maybe US could rotate some of its nuke subs thru Australia, that way they could act as a deterrent to China.
China has plenty of money, the latest weaponry, and millions of troops.
War looms, all the experts in America and Australia are saying.
2025 is the popular pick for the invasions to start.
If only the West hadn't been asleep as China grew to giant status.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 07, 2023, 02:47:14 PM
We need to find good people in Russia who we can be friends with who can take over and run Russia after we remove Putin.

Russia is poor like Mexico, the people in Russia are poor.

And we can be friends and allies with China.

I say it is time for the United Nations to call Putin's bluff, and it is time for us to have a Blitzkreig and to send an over-whelming force to go in and arrest Putin, just like Noriega, and we need to put Putin in prison in Guantanamo Bay.

And we have the World Bank which can give loans to Ukraine to keep them funded, and we can keep sending them weapons, etc.

Time is over for Putin, we need to go in and arrest him and put him in prison in Guantanamo Bay.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 07, 2023, 05:18:36 PM
The meek shall inherit the Earth.

Money is a powerful tool in Russia, and in a perfect world the good honest Christians would be the ones getting the money in Russia, so we can make that happen. We can make those who are poor but honest the new leaders of Russia. The World Bank can use money to fund the poor Christians in Russia to take over and run Russia after we remove Putin with the United Nations and a Blitzkrieg like with Noriega, and we can put Putin in Guantanamo Bay where he belongs.

Putin crossed the line, he no longer deserves to be a free man, and he certainly should not be leading a nation. He is worse than Noriega, and Putin deserves the same fate as Noriega. We need to put Putin in Prison in Guantanamo Bay, and we need to put the good people into power in Russia with money as a tool.

Money is powerful when people are poor and desperate.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on October 22, 2023, 01:51:22 AM
Russia is setting itself up for having a tough time holding ground. The more the West turns up the heat, the quicker this ends.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 23, 2023, 05:55:18 PM
Seems more weapons have arrived in Ukraine.
Ones that shoot down Russian planes included.
Ukraine's military is doing better now.
All seemed lost not so long ago.

Wonder what the response will be if Russia starts firing its "little nukes"..."tactical nukes"?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on October 24, 2023, 10:24:39 AM
Putin is looking 'old' these days.
Seems to have aged a lot since his invasion started going badly.
Time for him to retire, "to spend more time with his family", and let someone with a real clue run Russia.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2023, 11:10:23 AM
Only Trump and a substantial number of the Republican Party feel that Putin should stick around.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on November 02, 2023, 09:26:00 PM
Good op piece in the Post on Putin having a splendid October.  Do not have link atm, but it is easy to find.  We have all been a bit distracted this past month, so this piece is good reminder.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on November 03, 2023, 01:40:41 PM
HAMAS - Hezbollah - Iran = PUTIN

The GOP is an arm of the Russian FSB
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 08, 2023, 01:58:39 PM
HAMAS - Hezbollah - Iran = PUTIN

The GOP is an arm of the Russian FSB

Very true. It needs to be more widely known. Tubby is a current poster boy, as is the fat fucked up fraud front runner
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on November 10, 2023, 09:50:20 PM
The Tory republican Kremlin connection drives all three. Follow the money
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on November 11, 2023, 03:58:04 PM
The ukies have put up a valiant fight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/02/putin-ukraine-october/
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on November 12, 2023, 11:30:00 AM
The ukies have put up a valiant fight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/02/putin-ukraine-october/

Republicans are Russian assets
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on November 21, 2023, 11:16:36 PM
Lachlan Murdoch has gone to Ukraine to meet with President Zelenskyy.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 17, 2023, 04:47:10 PM
Russia held Victory Day WW2 parade 2023 in Moscow.
Putin spoke, called the West 'Nazis'.

Russia, undefeated to this day, basically controls the UN, has thousands of nukes, and has now formed alliances with China and North Korea....thereby guaranteeing it a never-ending supply of bullets and bombs....war planes, warships and missiles.

Meanwhile, US seems to be losing allies.
It's not looking good for the West, unless things change soon.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on December 17, 2023, 04:55:28 PM
If you have seen what a non trivial amount of those North Korean shells are doing to the Russian artillery they are loaded into, you might reevaluate the utility of Russian allies.

Trump is the only hope Putin has left and that fat sack of shit is crumbling before our eyes.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 17, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Trump on my tv screen today:

Para:

"Over the border, 24 and 25 yr old males...enough for an army...is that what they're doing"?

Good question Donald, anything is possible these days, Israel was 'asleep'.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 17, 2023, 07:26:01 PM
Countries are deserting America...things must change, or else, we're all doomed:

Will a new global reserve currency threaten the
greenback's supremacy? The short answer is yes.


lowyinstitute dot org
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 17, 2023, 07:29:43 PM
/cont'd

During the 2022 BRICS summit, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced that the bloc was working to create an "international reserve currency".

#####

Yes, Putin and his allies are currently running the world, it's crystal clear.
US has reached it debt ceiling...China/Russia/Nth Korea alliance has not.
Nth Koreans are eating grass to pay for it.
Americans are not eating grass, yet.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 17, 2023, 07:36:24 PM
There has been increasing talk of the BRICS nations (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) developing a new currency that will rival the US dollar as the global reserve standard.

#####

Oh dear.
And Americans thought those countries were their friends.

India.
Brazil.
South Africa.
Interesting.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 17, 2023, 07:37:15 PM
Soon after Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022 and displaced millions of refugees, thousands of Ukrainians flew to Mexico seeking to enter the U.S. along the southern border, mainly in California. Mar 13, 2023

--------------

A hurricane hit Acapulco, but Mexico is rebuilding quickly.

And Mexico is building new high speed trains, and new airports, and new aqueducts for water, etc, lots of new building is happening in Mexico.

Many of the refugees in the world can find a safe home in Mexico, lots of money is being invested into Mexico.

Mexico can also invest in Ports, and the Mexican Truck Drivers can join the Teamster Union, etc, and they can deliver goods to Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 17, 2023, 07:49:12 PM
And young men pouring in over the Mexican border can form an army.

Millions of protesters recently flooding the streets of America should be sending Americans into a state of awareness and wariness...it certainly did to the Dutch.
Argentinians recently elected a right-wing President.

Gun ownership among Jews in America has soared since the Hamas attacks.
Said Jews are buying guns and hitting the shooting ranges.

Donald Trump must be elected President again...to protect America/ns and the West.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 17, 2023, 08:07:31 PM
Condoleezza Rice would be a better president than Trump. Trump is going to prison.

And Condoleezza Rice knows that we need freedom at our southern border.

Remember too, we are the Western Extension of the Roman Empire, and here in America we have groups such as the Knights of Columbus, etc. From the top of Alaska to the bottom of Chile we have mostly Christians and our civilization was a dream of King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella and the Pope, along with being a dream of Columbus, etc.

Look to Spain, and the Pope, as you look at Latin America. And we need to all be a team in the Western Hemisphere from the Top of Alaska to the Bottom of Chile. We need to have trade and peace, and we need to be a team.

China is drinking Colombian Coffee now, and Colombia is building schools and hospitals, lots of great stuff is happening in Colombia thanks to Coffee.

In the USA much of the Colombian Coffee is roasted in New Orleans, Louisiana. The Ports in New Orleans are very important.

We need peace and trade, and China wants peace and trade, and lots of money is being invested into Mexico, lots of good things can happen.

Putin needs to be locked in Prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. We need peace.

And Mexico and Colombia are good places to send the refugees from Ukraine, and from Russia, and from Syria, and from other areas. We can build lots of schools, and libraries, etc.

We do not need any walls, and Condoleezza Rice represents the Republican Party more than Trump does. Also the Bush family is a good family. And Arnold is a good man from Austria.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on December 23, 2023, 03:42:31 PM
The Netherlands sent its first U.S. made F-16s to a new training facility for Ukrainian pilots and staff in Romania last month. Denmark, Norway and Belgium have also announced they will give F-16 jets to Ukraine, after the US government approved sending them to defend against Russia as soon as pilot training is completed.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/22/russia-ukraine-war-latest-news-updates
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 23, 2023, 05:40:17 PM
The Netherlands sent its first U.S. made F-16s to a new training facility for Ukrainian pilots and staff in Romania last month. Denmark, Norway and Belgium have also announced they will give F-16 jets to Ukraine, after the US government approved sending them to defend against Russia as soon as pilot training is completed.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/dec/22/russia-ukraine-war-latest-news-updates

Great news, time to bomb the Russians back to Russia.
Good to see European nations stepping up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on December 31, 2023, 01:08:30 AM
"Ukraine attacks Russia"  - my tv.

"14 dead after Ukraine targets Russian city."

#####

Sad when people die, but Ukraine has no choice.
So far Russia has just bombed and slaughtered Ukrainians at will.

Maybe now the Russian people will turn on Putin and co.
The Russian military should turn on Putin and the Kremlin...and make things right.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 31, 2023, 01:26:48 PM
The world should not have just stood by and did nothing while Putin attacked Ukraine at will. We need to be a more civilized world, and we need for the United Nations to have some power when it comes to peacekeeping.

With Israel, they were attacked and they have to get justice and remove the remaining Hamas terrorists to prevent further attacks.

But, with Putin there was no justification, he is just insane. The world needs to stop Putin, and it would be nice to lock him up at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

And we need to spend more money on the Peace Corps, we need to plant the seeds of peace in the world. And we need for all people to read the book "Animal Farm" and other great works that promote peace and wisdom.

Meanwhile, we are lucky that China wants peace and trade.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on January 12, 2024, 09:13:14 PM
Sky News:

"UK and Ukraine have signed a security pact in Kyiv, with UK increasing military funding to Ukraine by $4.7 billion".

#####

This is good news.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on January 13, 2024, 12:47:55 PM
http://youtu.be/jHcDdUTL6oc?si=OrLXdzo4FVt1TEPL (http://youtu.be/jHcDdUTL6oc?si=OrLXdzo4FVt1TEPL)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 09, 2024, 09:23:43 PM
It is a good moment for Ukraine to decide to pass the baton and throw in some reserves.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 11, 2024, 01:55:29 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/tucker-carlson-promised-an-unedited-putin-the-result-was-boring (http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/tucker-carlson-promised-an-unedited-putin-the-result-was-boring)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 11, 2024, 05:02:01 PM
Tucker = Tokyo Rose of today



Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: jmmengel on February 11, 2024, 08:20:08 PM
Tucker = Tokyo Rose of today
Because he did his job?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 11, 2024, 09:05:54 PM
Tucker = Tokyo Rose of today
Because he did his job?

I guess you and he serve at the feet of the same emperor.

On behalf of all free people, we hope your next meat wave is your last.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 12, 2024, 12:01:15 AM
Tucker = Tokyo Rose of today
Because he did his job?

Just like Lord Haw Haw.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 14, 2024, 05:45:17 PM
Tucker is staying and investing in real estate. The tapes on that guy have got to be pretty retina searing. Worse even than those of the snorting and splatting decrepit toad. That guys still has not gotten his tower by the way. Urban development in Moscow is the envy of all the world
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 17, 2024, 07:18:56 PM
http://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-offers-donald-trump-a-tour-frontline-vladimir-putin-navalny-war-avdiivka/ (http://www.politico.eu/article/volodymyr-zelenskyy-offers-donald-trump-a-tour-frontline-vladimir-putin-navalny-war-avdiivka/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 20, 2024, 08:40:39 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/02/20/ukraine-russia-attacks-atacms-missiles-weapons/

As for congressional Republicans ready to abandon Ukraine at the whim of former president Donald Trump, one can only feel sorrow - especially for someone who once knew better, such as Sen. Lindsey Graham, who had been until this year a bedrock member of the Munich conference s consensus to resist Russian aggression. He has become a living sign of the corrosive effect of Trump s embrace.

One of the most poignant images I took away from Munich was shared by Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii). He described reports that Ukrainian soldiers at the front have been checking their cellphones to see what House Republicans will do about the military aid package. What must those soldiers, huddling under Russian shells and bombs, think of the members of Congress who are ready to abandon them?

Let s hope that House Republicans find some backbone before the curtain of shame descends. 


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 21, 2024, 02:28:20 AM
Comers witness and his FSB superiors have kompromat on many republican members of congress.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Walter Sobchak on February 21, 2024, 10:38:49 AM
It really is starting to look like that.  Just astonishing that GOP os turning into apparatchiks who would let a maddog Russian dictator roll over Europe. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 21, 2024, 01:49:10 PM
beginning to look like a lost cause if European allies do not contribute more.  150 billion to illegals, Carumba!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 21, 2024, 04:15:36 PM
beginning to look like a lost cause if European allies do not contribute more.  150 billion to illegals, Carumba!

You are getting lazy enough to almost sound republican.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 21, 2024, 04:53:20 PM
Luee is too dumb to spell his intended slurs and stereotypes correctly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 21, 2024, 05:35:37 PM
If someone is dumb enough to have them, then they are probably too dumb to spell them correctly.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 22, 2024, 02:39:22 AM
China is on our side, and we have Muzi.

Russia just arrested a Dancer, she gave a donation to help the Ukraine so Russia arrested her. She needs help from Biden to get her freedom. And the Artists need to stand up against Putin. We have had great friends from Russia in Acting, and in Ballet, and they love American Heavy Metal and Rock and Roll, and we have Russian friends in the Space Program. We need to find friends who can take over and run Russia after we remove Putin and send him to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

The Dancer must get her freedom, and I hope that this horrible act will wake up the Artists community about the horror of Putin. This is 2024, we need to be civilized. We can have a better world. The United Nations needs to take action and we need to stop Putin, with China on our Team, China is doing a lot of good things and we can have peace with China, and I had a roommate in Malibu who was the Daughter of a Chinese General, the Chinese love me. The Artists, and the Chinese, and the United Nations, we need to all stand up for good in the world, and for justice for all, and for justice for Ukraine.

It would be great if Ron Howard could make a movie with Universal about Lech Walesa and Poland, we came a long way. The Berlin Wall came down on November 9th, 1989. We need to keep getting better, we cannot let bad men like Putin drive us backwards.

Putin needs to be sent to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. And we need to replace the Government in Russia with our friends and allies from the Arts, and from the Space Program, etc.

And Muzi is so cool, we are so lucky to have Muzi on our team. We can have peace, and Rock and Roll.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 22, 2024, 03:43:38 PM
Chinese-Australian writer/ democracy blogger was sentenced to death (suspended on condition of good behaviour for 2 years) recently.
He has decided not to appeal the sentence. His family has reportedly said because in custody he has been sleep-deprived, tied to a tiger chair and tortured etc.
China is being accused of "hostage-diplomacy".
China is not the favourite country of many downunder, it seems.
The Australian govt is, shall we say, very unhappy with the sentence and treatment of this citizen.

The dancer in Russia obviously hadn't been paying close attention...now look what has happened to her.


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 22, 2024, 06:10:40 PM
Bruce Dickinson sang a song about "Star Children" and it is all about Nepotism and about the power that the Descendants have because of who their parents are. And imagine if you gathered these Descendants together as a team to serve the planet then you could do good things. If you assembled the Descendants of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world as a team then the team could accomplish great things.

Muzi, the Daughter of the President of China, would be a great member of the Team of Descendants.

The Team could all live in Malibu. Or, they can live all over and communicate on the World Wide Web.

I would put Princess Charlotte Casiraghi of Monaco on the Team too, she Descended from Grace Kelly and Prince Rainier whom were her Grandparents. ( I attended the same acting school that Grace Kelly attended, the AADA, and I had a teacher who was friends with Grace Kelly. ) 

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 22, 2024, 10:06:07 PM
I don't want to be tied to a tiger chair and tortured, be sleep-deprived, food-'deprived' [would be surprised if they feed prisoners braised king prawns and vegetables, king prawn chow mein etc cooked to perfection and hot], sentenced to death, or any other sentence...so I don't take the risk by setting foot there.
My mind went into horrible shock when mrs bambu informed me she was going to Hong Kong as part of her trip to mainly Japan 6 years ago...luckily before things got violent there.

I wouldn't like the 'fermented camel' they serve prisoners in parts of the Middle East, and I wouldn't like being lashed either...so I stay right away from the Middle East.
Ditto just about every other place on earth. It's too risky, and the punishments for innocent and 'trivial' mistakes can be horrific.
No way I'd survive in an Indonesian prison, or in any other prison [except maybe in Norway-ilk, you get a nice room there.]

I'd eat or drink while walking in Rome/Italy etc, likely get arrested and tossed in prison, or fined heavily.

I'd set down a rug and have a picnic in a park in parts of Europe...'no public picnics allowed, into the dog box on the back of the police truck you go.'

It's all too hard [and that's before even thinking about Mexico/Central America/South America/Africa etc].




Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 22, 2024, 11:09:37 PM
Bambu, you would be safe in Rome, Italy. It is all Christians there. They have churches everywhere. And the Vatican is in Rome. Rome is the Christian capital of the world.

And you would be safe in Anaheim. The Business people here would meet your every need for a price. You can have the best of everything here, the former President, George W. Bush, eats at the Anaheim White House Restaurant which is owned by Chef Bruno, you can eat there too for a price.

And Huntington Beach is Surf City, it is the real spot where all of the songs were written about.

You can take a boat from Newport Beach to Catalina Island and you can gamble at the casino in Avalon.

And Anaheim has the best Tacos, and Burritos, and the original Carl's Jr which makes wonderful Burgers. We also have In N Out which also has fantastic Burgers. And we have El Pollo Fino for chicken and the famous Boxers eat chicken there.

Plus we have Disneyland. And Ducks Hockey Games, and Angel Baseball Games, and stadiums for concerts, etc.

And you would have to go see Hollywood Blvd, and the Chinese Theatre, and eat at Oki Dog on Fairfax and Willoughby. You should spend at least 1 day in Hollywood.

And 1 day for Universal Studios in Hollywood.

If you want to spend a day on the beach with the stars in Malibu then I recommend having steak and eggs for breakfast at Paradise Cove and then going to Latigo Beach for a day at the beach. All of the stars go to Latigo Beach and they have 24 hour security. Then you can have dinner at the Sunset Restaurant on Westward Beach by where they filmed "Planet of the Apes" with Charlton Heston, and you can eat Filet Mignon and drink a Corona Beer while you watch the sun set over the Pacific Ocean.

And Cannes, France is safe too, I went there for the film festival in 2000 and it was fantastic, I ate chicken on the beach in Cannes with Corona beers and it was great.

I bet Greece is nice too, I want to see Greece. And I bet the women are beautiful in Greece. I bet Cyprus is nice too.

And I bet the real Island of Elba in Italy is awesome, Elba has 30,000 people, I bet it is a cool spot.

Also, a funny thing about California, the Limousines are cheaper than the taxi cabs. The Taxis charge by the mile, while the Limousines charge by the hour, so the Limousine is cheaper in California. So, instead of taking a dirty old taxi then you can take a really nice Limousine and the Limousine is cheaper.

One time a beautiful young woman from Lebanon wanted for me to go live in Lebanon with her and she said we could live like royalty in Lebanon, but at the time I just wanted to rent an apartment in Hollywood and work on my acting career.

And Mexico has some beautiful Haciendas, we need to work to make Mexico nicer, they are investing in new high speed trains, and in new resorts, and new airports, and they are investing in their ports ( And they can do trade with Australia and with California ), etc.

The Palestinians who want peace can escape to Victoria, Canada, and to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai. They will be safe in the forest of Canada and they can work for the Forestry Companies doing nice peaceful jobs, they can provide lumber to build housing for the homeless, etc. They can send Lumber from Canada to the USA.

Peace.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on February 23, 2024, 03:13:31 PM
Bambu, you would be safe in Rome, Italy. It is all Christians there.

No it isn't.  Jews, Muslims, and agnostics are 13% of its population.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 23, 2024, 07:29:28 PM
Bambu is safest wherever there is no internet connection. Otherwise he cannot keep the poison out of his mind or his mouth
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 23, 2024, 07:33:52 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/23/2225339/-Confiscated-Russian-funds-will-be-transferred-to-Ukraine-via-Estonia-per-the-Department-of-Justice?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web (http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/2/23/2225339/-Confiscated-Russian-funds-will-be-transferred-to-Ukraine-via-Estonia-per-the-Department-of-Justice?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web)

That can fund some Czech artillery shell deliveries while we work a discharge petition through the House.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 23, 2024, 09:20:47 PM
We need to have a big meeting at the United Nations with all of the world leaders, including China, and we need to make a decision to remove Putin and to put Putin in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

We need to remove Putin just like we did Noriega.

We need to establish allies to replace Putin and to run Russia after Putin is removed.

We have allies in the Arts in Russia, and in the Space Program, etc, we need to establish allies in Russia to run Russia after we send Putin to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

And on the issue of Italy, the Persian women will always be welcome at my club when I have my club in Rome. And when I was in Rome I frequented an Internet Cafe that was owned by a Gentleman from Pakistan, he was a cool guy from Pakistan. But the vast majority of the people in Rome are Christians, and Christians are definitely safe in Rome, Bambu would be very safe in Rome.

Salute,

Tony V.

( I sent my ideas to the United Nations on Facebook, like the great abolitionist poets I sent my ideas out to the world. )


Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: luee on February 24, 2024, 05:20:41 AM
So sad Ukraine may now be a lost cause.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 25, 2024, 05:30:30 PM
Christina Pascucci - Candidate for the Senate

This weekend marks two years since Putin launched his invasion of Ukraine - what has become the worst humanitarian crisis and deadliest war in Europe since World War II. Hundreds of thousands have died and millions have been displaced. While the situation remains dire, it is increasingly absent in the news cycle.

We must support Ukraine, we must support freedom. The next stop for Putin will be a NATO country, and that would bring us into a full-fledged war, which we must avoid.

In terms of the money the U.S. sends, I believe we must have accountability by keeping close tabs on how that money is used and where it is going, to maximize transparency and efficacy. I also believe our European allies must match those funds.

Thank you to the Ukrainian Culture Center - UCC and Stand With Ukraine Foundation for your tireless work.

------

I told her that we need to find friends and allies to run Russia after we send Putin to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. We need to have a big meeting at the United Nations, with China on our team, and we need to send Putin to Guantanamo Bay. We have friends in the Arts in Russia, and in the Space Program, we need to find friends and allies to run Russia after we send Putin to Guantanamo Bay.

If Ronald Reagan was President then Putin would not be acting this way. Enough is enough, it is time to send Putin to Guantanamo Bay.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 26, 2024, 03:17:56 PM
The European allies have put in far more resources than the United States. We need to catch up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on February 27, 2024, 08:46:27 PM
The European allies have put in far more resources than the United States.

Some would say "about time"!
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 28, 2024, 06:49:06 PM
From the get go the European allies of Ukraine have put in far more resources than the United States.

 We need to catch up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on February 28, 2024, 10:23:31 PM
From the get go the European allies of Ukraine have put in far more resources than the United States.

 We need to catch up.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on February 29, 2024, 04:10:13 PM
http://www.justsecurity.org/92708/reparations-for-ukraine-three-proposals-from-europe/ (http://www.justsecurity.org/92708/reparations-for-ukraine-three-proposals-from-europe/)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 01, 2024, 07:43:42 PM
Bambu, you would be safe in Rome, Italy. It is all Christians there. They have churches everywhere. And the Vatican is in Rome. Rome is the Christian capital of the world.

And you would be safe in Anaheim. The Business people here would meet your every need for a price. You can have the best of everything here, the former President, George W. Bush, eats at the Anaheim White House Restaurant which is owned by Chef Bruno, you can eat there too for a price.

And Huntington Beach is Surf City, it is the real spot where all of the songs were written about.

You can take a boat from Newport Beach to Catalina Island and you can gamble at the casino in Avalon.

And Anaheim has the best Tacos, and Burritos, and the original Carl's Jr which makes wonderful Burgers. We also have In N Out which also has fantastic Burgers. And we have El Pollo Fino for chicken and the famous Boxers eat chicken there.

Plus we have Disneyland. And Ducks Hockey Games, and Angel Baseball Games, and stadiums for concerts, etc.

And you would have to go see Hollywood Blvd, and the Chinese Theatre, and eat at Oki Dog on Fairfax and Willoughby. You should spend at least 1 day in Hollywood.

And 1 day for Universal Studios in Hollywood.

If you want to spend a day on the beach with the stars in Malibu then I recommend having steak and eggs for breakfast at Paradise Cove and then going to Latigo Beach for a day at the beach. All of the stars go to Latigo Beach and they have 24 hour security. Then you can have dinner at the Sunset Restaurant on Westward Beach by where they filmed "Planet of the Apes" with Charlton Heston, and you can eat Filet Mignon and drink a Corona Beer while you watch the sun set over the Pacific Ocean.

And Cannes, France is safe too, I went there for the film festival in 2000 and it was fantastic, I ate chicken on the beach in Cannes with Corona beers and it was great.

I bet Greece is nice too, I want to see Greece. And I bet the women are beautiful in Greece. I bet Cyprus is nice too.

And I bet the real Island of Elba in Italy is awesome, Elba has 30,000 people, I bet it is a cool spot.

Also, a funny thing about California, the Limousines are cheaper than the taxi cabs. The Taxis charge by the mile, while the Limousines charge by the hour, so the Limousine is cheaper in California. So, instead of taking a dirty old taxi then you can take a really nice Limousine and the Limousine is cheaper.

One time a beautiful young woman from Lebanon wanted for me to go live in Lebanon with her and she said we could live like royalty in Lebanon, but at the time I just wanted to rent an apartment in Hollywood and work on my acting career.

And Mexico has some beautiful Haciendas, we need to work to make Mexico nicer, they are investing in new high speed trains, and in new resorts, and new airports, and they are investing in their ports ( And they can do trade with Australia and with California ), etc.

The Palestinians who want peace can escape to Victoria, Canada, and to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai. They will be safe in the forest of Canada and they can work for the Forestry Companies doing nice peaceful jobs, they can provide lumber to build housing for the homeless, etc. They can send Lumber from Canada to the USA.

Peace.

Salute,

Tony V.

Once upon a time in bambuworld a beautiful young woman from Lebanon dressed in 'baby doll' pyjamas invited me into her apartment to sit on the sofa with her to await the arrival of her husband.
I was there on official company business, seeking a loan arrears payment, my manager just giving out unsecured personal loans to anyone and everyone to boost his stats.
Part of my brain was tempted to accept her kind suggestion, (admire her beauty) while seated comfortably.
The larger part of my brain decided that would be madness in the extreme..."sitting on the sofa with beautiful young wife in lingerie basically when 'hot blooded' hubby comes home"...I declined her kind offer and left the scene at express pace.

What makes you think she wanted to take a tumble with you?

Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2024, 10:57:56 PM
Bambu, you would be safe in Rome, Italy. It is all Christians there. They have churches everywhere. And the Vatican is in Rome. Rome is the Christian capital of the world.

And you would be safe in Anaheim. The Business people here would meet your every need for a price. You can have the best of everything here, the former President, George W. Bush, eats at the Anaheim White House Restaurant which is owned by Chef Bruno, you can eat there too for a price.

And Huntington Beach is Surf City, it is the real spot where all of the songs were written about.

You can take a boat from Newport Beach to Catalina Island and you can gamble at the casino in Avalon.

And Anaheim has the best Tacos, and Burritos, and the original Carl's Jr which makes wonderful Burgers. We also have In N Out which also has fantastic Burgers. And we have El Pollo Fino for chicken and the famous Boxers eat chicken there.

Plus we have Disneyland. And Ducks Hockey Games, and Angel Baseball Games, and stadiums for concerts, etc.

And you would have to go see Hollywood Blvd, and the Chinese Theatre, and eat at Oki Dog on Fairfax and Willoughby. You should spend at least 1 day in Hollywood.

And 1 day for Universal Studios in Hollywood.

If you want to spend a day on the beach with the stars in Malibu then I recommend having steak and eggs for breakfast at Paradise Cove and then going to Latigo Beach for a day at the beach. All of the stars go to Latigo Beach and they have 24 hour security. Then you can have dinner at the Sunset Restaurant on Westward Beach by where they filmed "Planet of the Apes" with Charlton Heston, and you can eat Filet Mignon and drink a Corona Beer while you watch the sun set over the Pacific Ocean.

And Cannes, France is safe too, I went there for the film festival in 2000 and it was fantastic, I ate chicken on the beach in Cannes with Corona beers and it was great.

I bet Greece is nice too, I want to see Greece. And I bet the women are beautiful in Greece. I bet Cyprus is nice too.

And I bet the real Island of Elba in Italy is awesome, Elba has 30,000 people, I bet it is a cool spot.

Also, a funny thing about California, the Limousines are cheaper than the taxi cabs. The Taxis charge by the mile, while the Limousines charge by the hour, so the Limousine is cheaper in California. So, instead of taking a dirty old taxi then you can take a really nice Limousine and the Limousine is cheaper.

One time a beautiful young woman from Lebanon wanted for me to go live in Lebanon with her and she said we could live like royalty in Lebanon, but at the time I just wanted to rent an apartment in Hollywood and work on my acting career.

And Mexico has some beautiful Haciendas, we need to work to make Mexico nicer, they are investing in new high speed trains, and in new resorts, and new airports, and they are investing in their ports ( And they can do trade with Australia and with California ), etc.

The Palestinians who want peace can escape to Victoria, Canada, and to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai. They will be safe in the forest of Canada and they can work for the Forestry Companies doing nice peaceful jobs, they can provide lumber to build housing for the homeless, etc. They can send Lumber from Canada to the USA.

Peace.

Salute,

Tony V.

Once upon a time in bambuworld a beautiful young woman from Lebanon dressed in 'baby doll' pyjamas invited me into her apartment to sit on the sofa with her to await the arrival of her husband.
I was there on official company business, seeking a loan arrears payment, my manager just giving out unsecured personal loans to anyone and everyone to boost his stats.
Part of my brain was tempted to accept her kind suggestion, (admire her beauty) while seated comfortably.
The larger part of my brain decided that would be madness in the extreme..."sitting on the sofa with beautiful young wife in lingerie basically when 'hot blooded' hubby comes home"...I declined her kind offer and left the scene at express pace.

What makes you think she wanted to take a tumble with you?



I never thought she did, or would have.
I wrote "admire her beauty".
I'm frightened of germs, remember?
No way I would've done anything even if invited.

My point was that she was beautiful.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 02, 2024, 11:23:47 PM
I'm frightened of germs, remember?

Funny that considering how thoroughly you festoon yourself with bullshit. Quite unhygienic
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 02, 2024, 11:49:41 PM
I'm frightened of germs, remember?

Funny that considering how thoroughly you festoon yourself with bullshit. Quite unhygienic

lol
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 03, 2024, 05:00:41 PM
I'm frightened of germs, remember?

Funny that considering how thoroughly you festoon yourself with bullshit. Quite unhygienic

lol

Malcolm Turnbull ridicules Trump worship of Putin

https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-really-creepy-former-australian-pm-on-trump-s-admiration-for-putin-205094981921
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 13, 2024, 12:48:40 AM
Bambu, we sent you some B-2 Stealth Bombers that were built in my Hometown, I took care of the Guard Dogs when they did the Roll Out at Northrop, that is the top of our technology for dropping nuclear bombs. So, Australia does have Nukes now, you guys have B-2 Bombers.

But, read about the B-21 Raiders, they are only $750 Million each, the B-2 Stealth Bombers cost over $2 Billion each. So, we can send you some B-21 Raiders at a lower price than the B-2 Stealth Bombers.

And they build the Submarines in Newport News, Virginia, and Virginia is a beautiful state.

Also, read about the F-104 Starfighters, they are the best INTERCEPTORS if they are modified and upgraded, and you need to vector the thrust so that they can pull out of spins and to help them to steer better, etc. Nothing can outrun an updated and modified F-104 Starfighter. They have an F-104 Starfighter at NASA at Edwards that they use as a chase plane and Australia could go look at it.

And Lockheed is also good with the F-22s, and F-35s, and for cheaper there is the F-16 Fighting Falcons.

Follow Edwards Air Force Base on Facebook and they will teach you a lot about the new stuff that they are working on. And also Northrop, and Lockheed. And NASA.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 13, 2024, 06:36:52 AM
Bambu, you would be safe in Rome, Italy. It is all Christians there. They have churches everywhere. And the Vatican is in Rome. Rome is the Christian capital of the world.

And you would be safe in Anaheim. The Business people here would meet your every need for a price. You can have the best of everything here, the former President, George W. Bush, eats at the Anaheim White House Restaurant which is owned by Chef Bruno, you can eat there too for a price.

And Huntington Beach is Surf City, it is the real spot where all of the songs were written about.

You can take a boat from Newport Beach to Catalina Island and you can gamble at the casino in Avalon.

And Anaheim has the best Tacos, and Burritos, and the original Carl's Jr which makes wonderful Burgers. We also have In N Out which also has fantastic Burgers. And we have El Pollo Fino for chicken and the famous Boxers eat chicken there.

Plus we have Disneyland. And Ducks Hockey Games, and Angel Baseball Games, and stadiums for concerts, etc.

And you would have to go see Hollywood Blvd, and the Chinese Theatre, and eat at Oki Dog on Fairfax and Willoughby. You should spend at least 1 day in Hollywood.

And 1 day for Universal Studios in Hollywood.

If you want to spend a day on the beach with the stars in Malibu then I recommend having steak and eggs for breakfast at Paradise Cove and then going to Latigo Beach for a day at the beach. All of the stars go to Latigo Beach and they have 24 hour security. Then you can have dinner at the Sunset Restaurant on Westward Beach by where they filmed "Planet of the Apes" with Charlton Heston, and you can eat Filet Mignon and drink a Corona Beer while you watch the sun set over the Pacific Ocean.

And Cannes, France is safe too, I went there for the film festival in 2000 and it was fantastic, I ate chicken on the beach in Cannes with Corona beers and it was great.

I bet Greece is nice too, I want to see Greece. And I bet the women are beautiful in Greece. I bet Cyprus is nice too.

And I bet the real Island of Elba in Italy is awesome, Elba has 30,000 people, I bet it is a cool spot.

Also, a funny thing about California, the Limousines are cheaper than the taxi cabs. The Taxis charge by the mile, while the Limousines charge by the hour, so the Limousine is cheaper in California. So, instead of taking a dirty old taxi then you can take a really nice Limousine and the Limousine is cheaper.

One time a beautiful young woman from Lebanon wanted for me to go live in Lebanon with her and she said we could live like royalty in Lebanon, but at the time I just wanted to rent an apartment in Hollywood and work on my acting career.

And Mexico has some beautiful Haciendas, we need to work to make Mexico nicer, they are investing in new high speed trains, and in new resorts, and new airports, and they are investing in their ports ( And they can do trade with Australia and with California ), etc.

The Palestinians who want peace can escape to Victoria, Canada, and to Abu Dhabi and to Dubai. They will be safe in the forest of Canada and they can work for the Forestry Companies doing nice peaceful jobs, they can provide lumber to build housing for the homeless, etc. They can send Lumber from Canada to the USA.

Peace.

Salute,

Tony V.

Once upon a time in bambuworld a beautiful young woman from Lebanon dressed in 'baby doll' pyjamas invited me into her apartment to sit on the sofa with her to await the arrival of her husband.
I was there on official company business, seeking a loan arrears payment, my manager just giving out unsecured personal loans to anyone and everyone to boost his stats.
Part of my brain was tempted to accept her kind suggestion, (admire her beauty) while seated comfortably.
The larger part of my brain decided that would be madness in the extreme..."sitting on the sofa with beautiful young wife in lingerie basically when 'hot blooded' hubby comes home"...I declined her kind offer and left the scene at express pace.

Looks like there's a problem with the AUKUS nuke subs deal.

US Navy is planning to order just one Virginia-class submarine for 2025, rather than two, as its shipbuilding industry is stretched to capacity.

Fair enough.
China's navy is rapidly expanding, churning out new ships etc every *5 minutes*.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 13, 2024, 03:28:08 PM
It's 6.30am in bambuworld.
At 5.30am I switched on my tv, to be confronted by Putin's face taking up the whole screen.
He was mumbling something...and the scroll-thru on the screen read:

RUSSIA READY FOR NUCLEAR WAR
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on March 13, 2024, 04:45:54 PM
It is because Putin is getting his as kicked by Russians invading Russia again.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: LarryB! on March 22, 2024, 07:19:08 PM
Putin is reaping what he has sowed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/isis-moscow-attack-concert-hall.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: bambu. on March 23, 2024, 07:06:43 PM
Putin is reaping what he has sowed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/isis-moscow-attack-concert-hall.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare&sgrp=c-cb

He needs to watch out they don't torture him to death in a bread oven, one of their favourite atrocities on Christians.

Putin might escape such horror though, seems he left Christianity long ago.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 14, 2024, 11:54:05 AM
PW-free link, present situation in Ukraine and the drone stalemate around the front line "death zone."

https://wapo.st/49Dj5yW

Details how drones are presently the main thing keeping Russia from overrunning Ukraine.  (well, and Ukrainian heart and pluck and ability to cleverly improvise)(but they could really use that 60 billion Biden admin pledged that Rethugs have been sitting on for months)
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 16, 2024, 11:31:53 AM
Republican death count knows no borders.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 24, 2024, 12:56:51 AM
The munitions flow resumes despite right wing treachery and the global fascist cabal.

How soon can the goods start arriving so Ukraine can give Russia the thorough kicking it deserves?
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 25, 2024, 01:14:46 PM
Ukraine-born congresswoman voted no on aid. Her hometown feels betrayed.

https://wapo.st/3WigUh4

Trumpism is a brain virus. 
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: facilitatorn on April 25, 2024, 06:30:01 PM
http://youtu.be/9vAxisX8K64?si=B_EZxtOFoLefyYPe (http://youtu.be/9vAxisX8K64?si=B_EZxtOFoLefyYPe)

Wow. Did not think I would be seeing that anytime soon.
Title: Re: Russia's Invasion of Ukraine
Post by: Oiled on April 25, 2024, 07:12:12 PM
Did they hire Borat to do their recruitment program?

I thought that might be samizdat.  If it's for real, then that is one sick puppy of a nation.