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Total Members Voted: 3

Voting closed: June 13, 2022, 11:38:11 PM

[kidcarter8]

Burks, Rivers, Quickley, Toppin, Gibson

Burks, Knox, Noel, Toppin, Quickley

Knox, Noel, Quickley, Rivers, Toppin

Burks, Noel, Quickley, Rose, Toppin

Burks, Gibson, Quickley Rose Toppin


Where is Barret?  Where is Robinson?   Where is Bullock?   Where is Payton?

Thibs has done Toppin a bit of a disservice.  If I told you back at the end of camp, prior to Game 1 that Obi would never play with our better players, you'd have erupted.

[bodiddley]

Rose and Elf are both reasonable fill-in starters, but not legit starting PG's.
Nosirree.

Also I haven't looked at ObiT's numbers at all.
Likely too few minutes for his numbers to be meaningful really.
Guy needs some run.

[bodiddley]

I've seen SacKings a good deal this season.
TyH generally finishes games.
A few games back they posted a stat that Halibut was averaging nearly 5 4Q points per game, second on the team behind Fox (nearly .
TyH has quickly become one of my favorite players to watch.

I'm also a Rich Holmes booster, and those two are the main reasons I catch Sacto.  That and to try to figure out what's wrong with them.
Their defense is poor, but also they make lots of mental mistakes.
Questionable coaching.

[kidcarter8]

Well...

Kings have won 7 of 8...

Just now seeing the Delon Wright addition.  May cut a little into Ty's minutes.  Jury still out on McNair compared with Divac as top exec.  Latest maneuvers seem fine.

[bodiddley]

Kings 7 of 8 since TyH became a starter, after Bagley broke a bone is his hand in the CHA game.  So Luke stumbled across what seemed a pretty obvious maneuver.
Start TyH and Rich Holmes.  Bags on the 2nd unit, or now not with the team as he gets evaluated.

Holmes is a bit foul prone and not a shotblocker, but he competes and makes it difficult for folks down low by being physical.
But tyH just revs up the offense and plays smart D.
It also helps that the schedule has been soft.

So actually tyH's minutes are up now.  And Delon is going to take the Cory Joe backup PG minutes and some of what were tyH's backup SG minutes.

Kings also offed Bjelica who was a creampuff defender and erratic offender.
Added MoHark.  Also SG Terence Davis.

[bodiddley]

So not one post on the Heat cooking us?

Knix again had trouble with the zone.

BAM had quite a game.  20/18/4.
Maybe wanted to make a statement that he was an all-star level PF.
But more likely just wanted to end the 6 game L streak.

Butler took over 3Q and then Hero-Duncan got hot from 3-land.
Nole had a string game, a number of nice blocks.

Barrett, Burks, Bullox were all quiet, combining for just 17.
Bullox couldn't contain Butler.
RJB wasn't much involved and then sat a long stretch of the 4Q.
Burks was active guarding the Heat shooters.  But only took 4 FG's.
Topping did nothing.  One sequence he fouled a driving Bam, for some reason ObiT thought Bam was heading right, so he moved out of position and then whacked him.
Then on the other end, ObiT shot a baseline airball over the rim.

Just 15 Knick assists.
Heat outboarded Knix including 13-6 on O-boards.

Duncan Robinson finished with by far the best +/- at +26.
I thought Spo waited too long to reinsert Butler and then Duncan in the 4Q.

[Kam]

So not one post on the Heat cooking us?

Maybe there's be more if there were fewer Should've drafted Ty Haliburton Obi is a bust posts

[bodiddley]

So you took your ball and went home ...
About as lame as the Knix 3Q.

And nobody has said ObiT is a bust.  A curious pick, looking sub-optimal.  Yes.

Otherwise, The ex-NBA star and current Brooklyn Nets coach, who recently converted to Orthodox Judaism, heard about the James Harden trade from his rabbi.

Typically, his days start early; he likes to squeeze in a 6:45am Talmud lesson before morning prayers, which start at 8am. At 11am, he studies his prayer book in Hebrew, so that he can better understand the words he says. At 1pm, he studies the laws of the Sabbath. At 2pm, he has a second Talmud lesson. He meets with a Hebrew tutor at 3pm. Stoudemire works as a player development assistant for the Brooklyn Nets, so much of this changes on the days when the team is in town and has practice. But even then Stoudemire will just reschedule whatever study he can for the evening.

I might have heard he became an Orthodox Jew, but wasn't aware Amare became so dedicated.  nice long article.

His friends, he said, now call him Yehoshafat

[Jerrya]

WOW...hard to believe!

"Dayton Star Obi Toppin Wins Wooden Award to Complete Award Sweep. Dayton forward Obi Toppin was named the Wooden Award men's Player of the Year, the award committee announced Tuesday. Last week, Toppin was given both the Naismith and Associated Press national player of the year awards."

[kidcarter8]

He got TEN such awards

But likely just because he was old

[kidcarter8]

Re:  draft and the lead guard spot - I have no idea what tape Leon Rose - and even Thibs - could possibly watch to conclude that Smith or Ntlikina could start

Elfrid?  YES

A trade up - or a trade for a vet - or we pick up the Payton option - he's better than the current Reggie.

Just digging through some old predraft stuff

[kidcarter8]

https://www.inquisitr.com/6329332/ben-simmons-rockets-harden-76ers-westbrook-knicks/

3-way trade with Phila and Houston

Knicks get Russ
Philly gets Harden
Houston gets simmons

Knicks give up Randle SmithJr and Ellington

Weird for Knicks,  but good idea for Philly and Houston.

Wonder how we'd be sitting had we did something like this - and Obi got 26-28-30 minutes per right away.

[kidcarter8]

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/03/southwest-notes-lonzo-terry-thornwell-dieng.html

So lets start with the sign and trade offers for Ball.

Knicks can sign and trade a guy like Burks, right?

[kidcarter8]

O'Connor mock

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/

Haliburton and the other Bey come our way

Fine with me

-exceptweshouldtakeCarey

Just a reminder I (as many on the forum) was fine wih Tyrese H.

[kidcarter8]

I've heard it described as a draft where if you're not picking 1 or 2 then it doesn't much matter where you pick in the top 10 as some talent will slide.

1. Is that a reasonable assertion?

If the above is true some might be tempted to call it a "deep draft" but my 2nd question is:

2. Is the draft class as a whole that good or are we going to be looking back in 7 years saying "wow.... only 1-2 all stars from this draft and only a couple other starters for good teams"

I guess you'd call that a "weak deep draft"

All just a guessing game at this point but i'm concerned that we're making a lot out of a little.

I am less bullish on Hayes than O'Connor is.  Even O says Hayes is all left hand

4 player draft for me up top

In no order

Wiseman
Avdija
Edwards
Ball

So sure. .  if we can't deal up or get a pantload to deal down, stay at 8, do your diligent research/interviews and welcome the new talent.

There will be some options after that to deal up from 27 I would think, for instance if you wanted a Smith or Achiuwa after taking Haliburton or a Ty Terry after taking Okongwu.

I would guess forward/guard combo with first 2 if Wiseman isn't in there.

Well, I did get my combo.

This is fun.  Page is 920ish.