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Title: NFL
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:24:20 AM
Which draft pick will make the biggest impact in the NFL?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 03:33:42 PM
Seriously?

Has to be Barkley
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 08:31:18 AM
One of the excerpts released detailed how Brady was upset with Robert Kraft when Kraft announced the Patriots wouldn’t pursue legal action against the NFL for its handling of Deflategate. Brady didn't know Kraft would be making that announcement at the owners meetings and found out watching on TV.

“What the [expletive]?” Brady said over the phone to NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith. “Why am I not getting the support I deserve on this thing?”

Brady was very upset with Kraft and Sherman explained how Kraft has needed to rebuild his relationship with the quarterback in recent years, which he connected to the trade of Jimmy Garoppolo.

It was reported Kraft made it clear Brady could not be traded and therefore Garoppolo needed to get dealt as he wasn't going to be on the roster after the 2017 season.

“He was pissed off, obviously," Sherman said of Brady when hearing Kraft would be giving up the fight. "Kraft has supported him. He couldn’t support him there, but the Kraft family has gone above and beyond over the past couple of years to rebuild that relationship. I think that was part of the reason why Jimmy Garoppolo was jettisoned last year. That was something Kraft felt like he had to do to continue to build that relationship with Brady."


And that's why a) Brady's a prima dona; b)Kraft is an idiot; c) BB has to deal with these two lovers and their Machavellian horsecrap while he tries to run a football team.


SAD.

 https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/weei/new-tom-brady-book-co-author-not-sunday-podcast-deflategate-played-role-jimmy-garoppolo)

The movie should be quite entertaining.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 01, 2018, 08:52:26 AM
Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 09:10:34 AM
and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 11:09:35 AM
Mr. Utley's barb is lacking its usual poison. I guess everybody needs training camp.

and he'll still be an obssessed clueless troll.

Amazing how linking to published stories about in house squabbles on the Pats, from a New England media outlet is considered "trolling", until you consider who is lodging the complaint.

Deny, deny, deny.

Sad.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 11:44:03 AM
I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.

On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't  think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.

I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.

sad. boring troll.

SSDD

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 12:43:42 PM
I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.

On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't  think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.

I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.

sad. boring troll.

SSDD

Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.

FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.

Do there you go, paranoid one.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 01:15:26 PM
I can't remember the last time I searched a Philly radio station website.

On second thought, I've never searched a Philly radio station website, as I can't  think of a reason why i would give enough of a shit to do so.

I guess the troll's got nothing better to do.

sad. boring troll.

SSDD

Merely because you live in a narrow world of limited perspective, it dies not follow that others do.

FTR, I was linked to it thru Yahoo.

Do there you go, paranoid one.

Troll Feel free to search wherever on the web your troll heart desires, and post whatever you like, no matter how well the issue has already been covered and discussed previously.

You bring nothing new.

And you still remain a boring and stupid troll.

although I look forward to your book report on Brady.

You gonna make a nice cover with construction paper and your big box of crayons?

SSDD 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 04:07:40 PM
Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.

Bye, loser.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 05:11:01 PM
Though the slate was wiped clean here, you still see fit to soil it with your inane commentary.

Bye, loser.

Wiped clean?

Why?

You've a long-standing history of being an indecent stalker asshole.

I didn't pardon you for your past crimes.

Go fuck yourself troll
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 10:33:41 PM
You're signed!

https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129 (https://twitter.com/madisongesiotto/status/1024820062811824129)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:13:22 AM
G-Men and OBJ, the new face of the NYFG, talking turkey.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 01:36:05 PM
speaking of NY WRs

Pats sign ex-Jet Eric Decker to 1 yr deal.

eh

TB12 needs someone to throw to.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on August 03, 2018, 12:39:09 PM
There was a guy who looked a lot like RG3 playing in an NFL preseason game for the Ravens, and he scored a touchdown.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on August 03, 2018, 12:39:47 PM
Led a touchdown scoring drive to be accurate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 11:30:41 AM
tough night for Johnny Football up in Canada.

in other news happy 41st TB12.

According to a new book, Tom Brady refused to falsely blame equipment staffers in the Deflategate scandal.

AUGUST 3, 2018

"Tom Brady turned down a $1 million fine instead of a four-game suspension if he publicly implicated former Patriots equipment staffers John Jastremski and Jim McNally in the Deflategate scandal, according to a new book called “12: The Inside Story of Tom Brady’s Fight For Redemption’’ by Casey Sherman and Dave Wedge.

The book states NFL commissioner Roger Goodell “demanded that Brady state publicly that former Patriots equipment guys [John] Jastremski and [Jim] McNally had purposely tampered with footballs, even without his knowledge. Tom said no."

“There’s no way I’m gonna ruin these guys for something I believe they didn’t do,” Brady told NFL Players Association head DeMaurice Smith, according to the book.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 10:52:44 AM
times flies

NFL pre-season starts tonight

few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese


DC United @ Pats  (-3)

Browns v Giants (+1)

Steelers @ WC Eagles  (-3)

have no idea who/why would bet these games


Butler not expected to play for Pats
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 11:41:37 AM
times flies

NFL pre-season starts tonight

few games of semi-interest to the Elbanese


DC United @ Pats  (-3)

Browns v Giants (+1)

Steelers @ WC Eagles  (-3)

have no idea who/why would bet these games


Butler not expected to play for Pats
Betting on NFL preseason is not a.sign of a serious problem. It is a.sign of MANY serious problems.

Our dope smokin' heat packin' unlicensed drivin' credit card stealin' drug test failin' startin' in place of Nosh Gordon wide receiver has make the trip to NYC for the game. Those who do not learn from history are.doomed to go 0 - 16. But Hue is going to have a "strong conversation" with him, so all is well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:50:48 AM
boz

have you seen HBO Hard Knocks-'18 Browns edition? I haven't seen it yet, but I heard there are some eye-openers about Hue's coaching style.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 12:29:30 PM
I don't have HBO.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:50:27 PM
not a big Game of Throne's fan?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 01:10:31 PM
not a big Game of Throne's fan?
Never seen an episode, even when getting the occasional free weekend, though its cultural ubiquity means I know a fair amount about it. Tried to bring it up in a conversation triggered by Sean Bean not dying in The Martian and all I could come up with was "Crown of Thorns".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 09:46:47 PM
I think I have figured out why the Browns did not cut Calloway.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 10:00:53 AM
I don't have HBO.

Yes. Some people have a life that extends beyond what's on TV.

Foreign concept for idiot bankshit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 10:05:53 AM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 07:31:56 PM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

And you do both.

Peddy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 09:47:20 PM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

And you do both.

Peddy.

troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?

You fucking cretin stalker.

I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1

now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:06:00 AM
Didn't see the game but Sam Darnold, seemed to have made a positive impression in his Jersey debut.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:17:41 AM
heh

some people watch highly acclaimed HBO shows

some indecent loser trolls stalk people on the internet.

go figure.

And you do both.

Peddy.

troll-it took you 9 hours to come up with that?

You fucking cretin stalker.

I asked you to go figure and you can't even add 1 + 1

now go fuck yourself you indecent piece of shit

I could see bankshit doing this:https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/facebook-fight-between-keyboard-gangsters-ends-shooting-113941003.html)

Get help for that anger you're displacing here. Just because you're depressed and angry about your failed personal life, it doesn't mean you gave to be the dickhead that you show yourself to be here each day.

Sad, little man.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:28:19 AM
troll you spend far too much time obsessing about me.

now go fuck yourself.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 10:22:09 AM
Finally caught Hard Knocks Browns edition E1-it was pretty entertaining and educational.

Jarvis Landry is fun and can play 1-handed, got a lesson in finance 101 how to turn $1 into $64

and that Hue jackson should probably watch his back around Todd Haley.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 04:59:04 PM
Pats-Iggles kick it off tonight at the Blade.

Brady expected to see first half action.

Butler probably not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 05:01:57 PM
Jets-Skins also tonight

next test for legend in the making Sam Darnold

I'm pretty sure Butler won't play in this game either.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 16, 2018, 09:03:14 PM
Eagles won last time they played Pat's, didn't they?

Philly- Dilly.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 11:13:09 PM
Pats D, particularly D-line, looked much improved and faster and brought a lot of pressure and was very disruptive. Rookie LB Bentley looked real good.
Biggest play of the game was a pressure/fumble by Foles returned for TD Foles injured his wing on the strip. It didn't look good.

Brady was Brady, played the first half, his receivers are mediocre. Cordelle Paterson made some plays and is fast, but more a gadget guy. With Edelman out first 4 games wouldn't be a shock if they are active in the WR market.

They played better than I thought they would.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 12:31:25 PM
Pats 1st rounder right tackle Wynn out for season with Achilles heel injury.

sucks

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 11:09:42 PM
Well done, ESPN

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 18, 2018, 08:35:37 AM
Well done, ESPN

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768 (https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1030614038961696768)

So. You don't like hearing the national anthem?

Sad.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 11:12:38 AM
Takes aways from Hard Knocks E2

does anyone really need 1000 pair of sneakers?

I think thats a tell.

And maybe Hue was jealous so shipped Corey Coleman to the Bills for a 7th rounder

and a dozen pairs od Air Jordans.

What is it with the Browns and wacky WRS?

And is adding Dez to the mix a smart move?

Is Carl really that bad a name for a kid?

the gloves were pink.

Myles Garrett is a poet and I'm rooting for "Juice"

Browns have some talent and are on the come.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 18, 2018, 06:01:15 PM
Josh Gordon is back today. And yes a WR room with him, Landry,  Dez and Galloway could be a challenge.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 11:39:05 PM
Speed wins

https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640 (https://twitter.com/Denlesks/status/1030981649935216640)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 21, 2018, 12:25:39 PM
that cop had some burst

nice take-down.


The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)

IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 21, 2018, 04:29:25 PM
that cop had some burst

nice take-down.


The NFL's punchline and America's favorite u-dog is starting to draw some action

http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas (http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/24434899/cleveland-browns-attracting-high-number-bets-las-vegas)

IMO a little early, but the Browns as noted earlier look to be on the come.
Pissing money away. We will be better but not that much better.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 09:36:49 AM
Hard Knocks E3 was like a Sunday brunch, there was a lotta good stuff to pick from.

But stay away from butterflies as they have little nutrional value (trust me on this one)

I'm giving 5-forks to Brown O-line coach Bob Wylie, from the looks of it he's a veteran of lots of all you can eat buffets and a man of many talents and proud owner of a gleaming white Maserati. Wylie stole E3.

We got a history lesson about the D-Day, soldiers hitting the beaches and football preparedness (Belichick would love this guy) and a film session where Wylie's ideal O-line would be made up of pigs, hippos and gorillas.

The conclusion this guy is from somewhere within an easy drive of Boston

and the Browns coaching staff will give the players a run for the money in wackiness.

How can you not root for the Browns and Moose? 
Title: Washington Football Team
Post by: Kam on August 23, 2018, 02:57:38 PM
If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.
Title: Re: Washington Football Team
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 23, 2018, 06:13:38 PM
If it's not offensive then change the name to Washington Pinkskins.

That might confuse people. They might think you were talking about the Republican Congress.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 24, 2018, 12:02:24 AM
Indians shut out the Phillies, 5 - 0. I assume Kluber got the W.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 24, 2018, 10:00:57 AM
split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.

I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel

Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.

the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times

Wasn't it Pete Carroll who said,

RUN THE FUCKING BALL!

never mind.


battle of the Meadowlands tonight with associated NYC-Jersey bragging rights

Pats-Panthers

I'm not getting a good vibe this year
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 24, 2018, 11:07:56 AM
split -squad game "A" team got whupped in Beantown.

I watched off/on between Anderson Cooper/Rachel

Foles was the pumpkin he usually is but Browns D looked real.
i did not see it, but from the highlights Myles Garrett is the beast we thought he was.
Quote

the one thing that irked me was the Browns 1st and goal from the one and they passed 4 times
that is one thing I am glad I did not see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 24, 2018, 10:50:55 PM
As I feared Pats sucked tonight.

This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.

BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 28, 2018, 08:40:07 AM
As I feared Pats sucked tonight.

This team looks unathletic/slow/work in progress.

BB the coach has his work cut out to coach up the drek BB the GM has given him.
.

Maybe he will walk away mid-season the way Brady walks away mid-interview, when anyone asks about his fairy godfather, the "trainer" with the magic beans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 09:33:49 AM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 09:36:04 AM
G-Men OBJ make it official

5/95 $60M guaranteed over first 3 years.


Good behavior pays off.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 28, 2018, 05:20:00 PM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.

Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 06:06:30 PM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.

Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.

This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.

FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.

4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.

If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.

I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.

I however will be posting about football.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 11:38:11 AM
BB may be considering retiring and spend more time babysitting. And Brady probably would rather talk football than whether his trainer can now give him team sanctioned rub-downs.

But as I don't spend much time thinking about Brady's training regiment, and would rather talk about football, I can't help you with your Brady obssession.

Brady gets paid to do that interview, and had to know he would get that question. As Chris Russo said of it, bad job by Brady.

Sorry you can't understand that IS ABOUT football, but then, you aren't too bright.

This is about your obsession with Brady and Boston.

FTR Brady was asked a variant of the question 4 (FOUR) times by the "EEI guy, and Brady told the host he wasn't discussing Guerrero.

4th time was a charm and Brady punted and hung-up on the guy.

If you think Brady gets paid anything close to the value he brings to WEEI you're dumber than I imagine, which is close to impossible.

I look forward to your posts during the season about Brady and Giselle's impending divorce and asset distribution.

I however will be posting about football.




MY obsession? Then why was national news, dimwit? Never made the argument he gets paid in terms of its value, just showing he gets paid, and reneged on his deal.

In the meantime, even someone as dim as you (although I'm not sure whom that would be), would understand that the questions asked were legitimate, related to the team and its function, and worthy of a response, and it was a question which Baby Tommy should have anticipated and been ready to answer. Kind of like you expected from Grady Little or your other personal punching bags.

Good luck "talking football", because to date we've seen nothing noteworthy coming from you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
national news story?

it must have been a slow news day between Manafort, Cohen and McCain passing, and you think a trainer rubbing Brady's ass is a national story.

To each their own.

heh

you're an idiot.

Aaron Rodgers signs 4/134 extension over $100 million guaranteed.



 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 02:49:19 PM
Jets trade Teddy Bridgewater to Saints

guessing for a decent draft pick

settles starter question for the Jersey B-team
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 03:30:23 PM
Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)

blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel

which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 03:50:10 PM
Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 04:10:35 PM
Wow. Look at bankshit, working hard to become relavent.

Heh

its relevant.

you're lucky speliing doesn't count.

But I'm betting neither can you, at least much past 8, 9, or 10.

heh

Jets get a 3rd rounder for Teddie B.

Brady's trainer finds pimple on Brady's ass,

Gisele is upset,

troll rushes to find national story.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 04:57:13 PM
You may STFU.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2792844-tom-brady-ends-interview-after-questions-about-trainer-alex-guerrero.amp.html)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/people.com/sports/tom-brady-abruptly-ends-radio-interview/amp/)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/new-england-patriots-news-tom-brady-bill-belichick-alex-guerrero-/2ex0ho7nmj411ti180pgoowpy)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/tom-bradys-latest-theatrics-alex-guerrero-intensify-spotlight-patriots-drama-162252615.html)


Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 05:12:47 PM
poor troll

the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.

TFF
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 06:48:17 PM
poor troll

the NFL season is about to start and there's all sorts of interesting things to discuss yet he's remains fixated on who rubs Brady's ass.

TFF

And yes it IS a national story.

Dicklicker.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:34:09 PM
Troll

if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.

In the mean time I plan to post about football.

Best of luck

and remember lots of soap and water!!!

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 07:37:08 PM
Giants have 8th toughest schedule in NFL. Green Bay the toughest. Not sure why last year's Superbowl teams have it so easy, but they do: https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2018/08/23/ranking-every-nfl-team-by-strength-of-schedule/111255036/)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
Troll

if you feel the story of the guy who squeezes Brady's buttocks is a national story and is relevant, then by all means, give it your best, really dig into the story, put your nose deep into it, and report back. But first, wash your hands thoroughly and wipe the shit off your nose.

In the mean time I plan to post about football.

Best of luck

and remember lots of soap and water!!!

Lol!

I see you underscored my point. Or you can't read.

It's not a matter of what I feel. It's a matter of fact.

And since it's the truth, you can't handle it, of course.

Heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:57:04 PM
I asked you to wash.

Are you all done covering the big national story, the one that was dead within a few minutes of Brady hanging up?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 07:58:37 PM
National story: https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk (https://youtu.be/FPsGDpLsRIk)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 08:02:48 PM
If you weren't nose deep into Brady butt crack you might have read (posted earlier today


Cleveland Browns linebacker Mychal Kendricks has apologized after being charged Wednesday with insider trading by federal prosecutors to make nearly $1.2 million in illegal profits on four major investments four years ago.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24513086/mychal-kendricks-cleveland-browns-charged-insider-trading)

blue horseshoe loves Anacott steel

which reminds me I gotta watch E4 Hard Knox

and troll wipe the shit off your nose
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 08:28:07 PM
National story. Cheater has a "reality check".https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/final-week-preseason-reality-check-181959718.html)

Better he should check what TB12 is putting in his Starbucks drink.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 12:53:24 PM
season starts in a week,

any interest in a Pro pick'em this year?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:59:07 PM
Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)

The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on August 30, 2018, 08:52:45 PM
Colin K wins round 1--collusion case can continue against NFL owners

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/30/sports/colin-kaepernick-collusion-case-nfl.html)

The ruling by Stephen B. Burbank, an arbitrator who was appointed by the league and the N.F.L. Players Association, said lawyers for Kaepernick, a free-agent quarterback, had unearthed enough information in the past year for the case to proceed to a full hearing.

Kinda depressing Kaep and his fellow gladiators are essentially protesting the same issues protested by Tommy Smith and John Carlos when I was 10.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 30, 2018, 09:34:52 PM
I'll pass on a Pick Em. I always forget to make my picks at some point and that messes everything up
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:21:36 AM
I've no idea why I watched off/on Pats/Giants last night, as there was probably no more than a handful of guys who will actually play this year, but its not often I've seen a 86-yard QB "sneak" for a TD.

Carl Banks, (I think it was him) said "7 guys just got cut on that play".

the real hi-light, I hope, is no one got hurt.

Pats are woefully short of receivers, speculation is they either mine the Sept 1 player cut-down dump or trade a D-lineman for adecent WR (Golden Tate is the rumor du jour) 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 04:04:03 PM
Starting the excuse making already? Ha!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 05:17:27 PM
Its called an impartal observation, and it was first made a couple of weeks ago.

and speaking of observations, wipe the shit off your nose ass-wipe
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 11:48:46 AM
NFL Week 1

for informational and entertainment purposes only

NFL Line 9/6 - 9/10, 2018

Date & Time   Favorite   Line   Underdog   Total

9/6 8:20 ET   At Philadelphia   -2.5   Atlanta   45.5

9/9 1:00 ET   Pittsburgh   -5.5   At Cleveland   46.5

9/9 1:00 ET   At Minnesota   -6   San Francisco   46

9/9 1:00 ET   At Indianapolis   -3   Cincinnati   47

9/9 1:00 ET   At Baltimore   -7   Buffalo   41

9/9 1:00 ET   Jacksonville   -3   At NY Giants   43.5

9/9 1:00 ET   At New Orleans   -9.5   Tampa Bay   49.5

9/9 1:00 ET   At New England   -6.5   Houston   51

9/9 1:00 ET   Tennessee   -2   At Miami   46

9/9 4:05 ET   At LA Chargers   -3   Kansas City   47.5

9/9 4:25 ET   At Denver   -2.5   Seattle   42

9/9 4:25 ET   At Carolina   -2.5   Dallas   42.5

9/9 4:25 ET   At Arizona    PK   Washington   44

9/9 8:20 ET   At Green Bay   -7.5   Chicago   48

Monday Night Football Line

9/10 7:10 ET   At Detroit   -6.5   NY Jets   44.5

9/10 10:20 ET   LA Rams   -4.5   At Oakland   49.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 03, 2018, 05:35:45 PM

Winning off the field... and so far, in the courts.


The new ad, which Kaepernick shared on social media Monday afternoon, features the message: "Believe in something. Even if it means sacrificing everything."

Nike signed Kaepernick in 2011 and kept him on its endorsement roster over the years. The company had not used him in the past two years.

"We believe Colin is one of the most inspirational athletes of this generation, who has leveraged the power of sport to help move the world forward," Gino Fisanotti, Nike's vice president of brand for North America, told ESPN.






http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24568359/colin-kaepernick-face-nike-just-do-30th-anniversary-campaign)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2018, 07:46:12 PM
Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.

Philadelphia and the under


21-17 Eggles.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 06, 2018, 07:56:51 PM
Falcons.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 06, 2018, 08:52:55 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2018, 10:37:32 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.

So now you make picks?

heh

Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.

This game is wholly representative of what we've come to know as Thursday Night Footbal.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 06, 2018, 11:02:58 PM
I can only remember to make picks when the game is about to start. I'm a deadline guy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2018, 11:34:46 PM
Matty has lost the plate tonight.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2018, 11:39:00 PM
heh

like i was saying-that was a brutal throw
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 07, 2018, 12:40:39 AM
The ending was good television, but the game as a whole was awful!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 11:47:25 AM
agreed that was a lot of bad football.

Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 07, 2018, 01:22:31 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.

So now you make picks?

heh

Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.



lol

shoulda kept it in your pants
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 07, 2018, 01:25:11 PM
Using -2.5 and O/U 45.5.

Philadelphia and the under


21-17 Eggles.

Little thing we call a perfect game, my friends

Win
WIN vs spread
WIN vs O/U

- by the way - openings in score predicting contest if anyone is interested - just need an e-mail from you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 02:01:03 PM
Will take Falcons with points and the under.

So now you make picks?

heh

Thats the way (Atl +2) I went tonight.



lol

shoulda kept it in your pants

Why?

a few guys shared their prediction.

and we lost, mostly due to Matty Ice gakking repeatedly in the red zone.

Congrats on your perfecto.

And I'll pass on your pool I'm in a couple already one against spread (0-1) one KO (still alive)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 07, 2018, 03:50:21 PM
agreed that was a lot of bad football.

Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.

CNN agreed.

And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 04:03:05 PM
agreed that was a lot of bad football.

Matty was throwing ducks last night-no zip on ball, he looked broken.

CNN agreed.

And despite that, they came within one good pass of winning. I want to say of the Eagles, "That was the offense the Patriot's defense couldn't stop?!"

Surprising BB couldn't come up with some gametime modification in strategy or sub packages to blunt the force of Foles.

very strange.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 12:28:58 PM
KO pool

wk-1 Ravens


not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.

IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.

BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 02:06:47 PM
Had Ravens as well
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
Had mypicks ready to submit today, then my internet goes out

Faced with a 3 minutes to deadline - had to redo entire page so I quickly posted a "loser gets 17 points" model.

Here is what I ended up with mostly favorites covering:

Steelers -5.5
Vikings -6
Indy -3
Ravens -7
Giants +3
Saints -9.5
Pats -6.5
Dolphins +2
Chargers -3
Broncs -2.5
Cowboys +2.5
Arizona PK
Packers -7.5
Lions -6.5
Rams -4.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 02:29:05 PM
Over/unders I have


I have just Saints, Packers and Ravens games going OVER the points

What a mess, but may work out.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 02:46:47 PM
KO pool

wk-1 Ravens


not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.

IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.

BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.

At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 02:47:32 PM
The TB/NO game is crazy!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 03:29:10 PM
Brees 26-31 for 318 with no picks and Saints are down 17

Incredible
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 03:40:35 PM
Looks like I had Deshaun Jackson a year early

heh

Meanwhile Schurmur goes for 2, down 5 with ten to play - interesting.  I liek the gamble, but now they have to go for 2 again if they score.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 04:38:24 PM
KO pool

wk-1 Ravens


not feeling great about the Pats today of for the season, although they are still favored for the AFC and SB.

IMO a lot of risky/poor draft choices and questionable trades have left them vulnerable and unathletic.

BB's a great coach and he will need all his skills to coach up the team BB the GM stuck him with.

At half-time, are you feeling any better about today?

yes and no.

I thought the problem mostly would be lack of toys on offense, but Brady continues to make chicken salad from... And Gronk is special. I exepcted the D to be good and it was but I was concerned about effectiveness vs. mobile QBs. Special teams gave up some longer than usual returns. And the turnovers sucked but all in all they played well enough and they won a little ugly.

awinzawin

But the concerns about athleticism and depth remain. There is only so much coaching can do.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 05:04:46 PM
The Browns-the streak is over!



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 05:15:05 PM
The Browns-the streak is over!

Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.

Not a good look for Big Ben.

And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)

Colin the K is still out there...

ETA: Thanks, Yank.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 09, 2018, 05:16:10 PM
His name is Peterman.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 05:48:02 PM
The Jimmy Garoppolo streak is also over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 05:58:42 PM
The Browns-the streak is over!

Well, the losing streak is over. The winless streak continues.

Not a good look for Big Ben.

And Buffalo, the Nathan Peterson Peterman era is over, again. Wonder how long until he's back in again. (And wtf were they thinking?)

Colin the K is still out there...

ETA: Thanks, Yank.

Bills head coach Sean McDermott said after Sunday’s 47-3 loss to the Ravens that it is too soon to say whether the Bills will go with Nathan Peterborough or Josh Allen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 06:11:56 PM
His name is Peterman.

His Urban Sombrero while not a huge financial success, revolutionized NYC street fashion in the late 80s. Cheeky, but with a hint of maschismo that drew oles from Soho to the Village. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 09, 2018, 06:16:17 PM
 Peterman will be fine as long as he doesn't hire Elaine Benes to work for him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 09, 2018, 06:21:09 PM
The Redskins look like a model of professionalism next to the Cardinals.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 09, 2018, 11:15:13 PM
Quite the closing minutes for the Bears/Packers!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 07:11:56 PM
Will Sam Darnold snap the curse of the USC QB?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
LOLOLOL

I feel bad for the kid but that is too funny.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 09:48:19 PM
Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.

And it still has a quarter to go.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 10:11:11 PM
Matt Patricia's team did not have an auspicious start.

And it still has a quarter to go.

Worse comes to worse, Matty P always has rocket science to fall back on.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2018, 09:37:43 AM
Impressive performance/comeback from the ledge by Darnold/Jets last night.

I've posted elsewhere that with a decent D, a potential rookie franchise QB and $90 million in cap space, JETS may be a major PITA real soon.

I wonder if Jersey A develops remorse at what left for Jersey B?

Time will tell.

7-8-1 against the spread

picking 16 is a tough way to make dough
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2018, 12:18:57 PM
Jets may be in on Leveon.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:45:19 AM
Missed the THU pick. 

I will post the odds I am using weekly.  You guys that want to play along can use mine or post what your adjusted line is from your pool.  Picking O/U as well - though I wouldnt expect everyone to

Week 2


Bengals +1 defeated Ravens 34-23 - game goes over 44 points


Skins  -6   vs  Colts  (46)

Falcons -6   vs  Panthers  (44.5)

Vikings  -1  at   Packers  (46)

Chargers  -7.5   at   Bills  (43)

Texans  -2.5   at  Titans  (44.5)

Steelers  -4  vs  Chiefs  (52.5)

Jets  -3  vs  Dolphins  (44)

Eagles  -3  at  Buccaneers  (43.5)

Saints  -9  vs  Browns  (49.5)

Rams  -12.5  vs  Cardinals (45.5)

Niners  -6  vs  Lions  (48)

Patriots  -1.5  at  Jaguars  (45.5)

Broncos -6  vs  Raiders  (45)

Cowboys  -3  vs  Giants  (42.5)

Bears  -3.5  vs  Seahawks  (43.5)





Good luck.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 11:42:04 AM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 15, 2018, 06:39:19 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 07:33:41 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints
If I had done one, week one would have been the Steelers. Where does that leave me?

I think standard scoring is a TKO.

you coulda been a contenda...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 12:52:16 PM
 Late switch off bucs to eagles

Money plays ...  Hou vs points

And 4 team parlay vs points ...  11.7-1

Chargers
Rams
Patriots
Broncos
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 12:56:41 PM
Scores


Skins  24-20
Atl  24-17
Green Bay 27-24
Chargers 24-14
Hou 23-17

Pitt 31-24
Jets  24-17
Eagles  23-19
Saints 31-24
Rams 30-13

Niners  27-20
Patriots 28-21
Broncos 28-21
NYG  23-20
Seahawks 20-17

Good luck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 02:40:07 PM
Boy, Buffalo looks as bad as any team I have seen in ages. And I am a Browns fan.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 03:10:50 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

Looks like I stayed alive with chargers

Sorry...forgot to post

Good game in Pitt as Steelers tie it again
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 04:01:57 PM
Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

I feel like one of the Gibbs Brothers with that win..

ah, ah, ah, ah, Stayin alive
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 04:18:23 PM
Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?

life ain't fair boz.

that had to suck
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 04:37:12 PM
Can no one in this town KICK THE FUCKING BALL?

life ain't fair boz.

that had to suck
Two weeks in a row.  Left 8 points out on the field today.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 05:49:25 PM
Jags with a major ass-kicking

not many good take aways for the Pats in that half
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 08:05:08 PM
Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.

Wow.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 08:12:17 PM
Vontae Mack decided to stop playing at half time today. Officially announced his retirement after the game.

Wow.

Wow is right. He was drafted what, 4 years ago?

Pats could use a young LB if he decided to make a comeback.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 08:13:41 PM
It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired. 

Vontae Mack was a fake player wasn't he? 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 08:14:15 PM
Jags with a major ass-kicking

not many good take aways for the Pats in that half

2nd half wasn't much better.

Better team won.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 08:16:15 PM
It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.

I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 11:29:24 PM
It was Vontae Davis (he and his brother, Vernon, who plays for the Redskins, are DC high school football legends) who abruptly retired.

I thought Josh was doing a Draft Day riff.

He was.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 11:47:37 PM
rough night for Opie.

the imagined offensive juggernaut hasn't quite jelled yet

that O-line might get him killed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 17, 2018, 04:26:47 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 05:10:21 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem  from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 05:25:08 PM
We have also, to the surprise of no one, picked up a new kicker and kicked Gonzalez out. Straight out. No truth to the rumor we kicked him out wide right.

Minnesota picked up the guy I wanted us to get, Dan Bailey.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 17, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem  from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.

Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.

They kept the sneakers.

Color me skeptical.

Who else you guys got?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 17, 2018, 07:00:51 PM
Josh Gordon to the Patriots.
For a fifth round pick. Interesting. A lot of his pro lems supposedly stem  from serious self esteem issues. Fortunately, Belichick is known for his positive personality and coddling talent.

Pats cut Corey Coleman to make room for Gordon.

They kept the sneakers.

Color me skeptical.

Who else you guys got?
Need a kicker?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 19, 2018, 10:30:36 AM
From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 12:28:05 PM
An anonymous "assistant" thinks that the staff believes that the staff and not one of the greatest QBs ever to play the game, is responsible for winning several championships. 

Good to know.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 19, 2018, 01:44:09 PM
you sound like the GOP senate, right now.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 01:46:51 PM
speaking of top 15 QBs with some post-season success, this is an OP elsewhere about the NYFG

"The New York Football Giants are shaping up to be a shit-show of finger-pointing, second guessing and a lot of bad football this year. So...

Rather than upset Eli and create a QB controversy, Dave Gettleman hired by NFL royalty, the Mara/Tischs, doubled down on Opie, thinking they had the talent to win it now.

To keep the peace in Mayberry, who's townfolk revolted when Opie was benched last year, did not draft the next franchise QB, or trade the 2nd pick in the draft for a package to rebuild and fill and several holes, like the O-line, but instead they drafted a very talented running back. And then they commited to a long-term contract to OBJ, making him the highest paid prima dona head case receiver in the NFL. The PR was this team was an offensive juggernaut, loaded and ready to win.

Poor Opie will make it to Yom Kippur, but may not make it to Halloween if the O-line plays like it played last night. No protection for Eli, no time to let OBJ run routes, not strong enough to open holes for Barkely to scamper through.

So for G-Men fans, kibbitzers, fans of car crashs or schadenfreud share your thoughts, stats, insights, rants or vents, on the blue-bloods of the NFL, BIG-BLUE, the NYFG
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 19, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 01:52:20 PM
you sound like the GOP senate, right now.

Dr. Ford is anonymous?

No she's not.

If some unnamed source wants to take credit for Pats championships, cool.

But I don't have to give it much credibility, particularly when I've seen Brady play.

See, troll, I believe my eyes, not what I'm told to believe.

You are free however to ignore the obvious and believe what you choose.

And in that regard I will believe based on your exhibited behavior and posts that you're an idiot, who'd rather dish on Brady than utter a single word on the shit show in your own house.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 01:54:47 PM
While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.

Shurmer was on with Francesa yesterday and did not make a great impression in his 10-15 minute interview.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 19, 2018, 02:10:26 PM
"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 19, 2018, 02:11:24 PM
While one of the QBs might have made more sense than Barkley (though I don't think any of them are the generational type of talent that Barkley is), the O-line issue would still be in place and in the end I've got less trouble with relying on Manning for another year or so than I do with hiring Shurmur who's the exact same guy as McAdoo.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 02:25:46 PM
"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)

19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.

Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 19, 2018, 03:01:40 PM
"Tom knows Bill is the best coach in the league, but he's had enough of him," the anonymous source with knowledge of the relationship told O'Connor in the book. "If Tom could, I think he would divorce him."

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002 (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1355101002)

19 year marriages between QBs and coachs is pretty rare if not unique in the NFL.

Perhaps after two decades together both long for new trophy partners.

Perhaps, but he doesn't want to end up his career showing his true self.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 19, 2018, 03:17:57 PM
From the book that everyone will want to read: One New England assistant said the general feeling among staff members around that time wasn’t that Belichick’s system could make Super Bowl quarterbacks out of all 32 NFL starters. “But if you gave us any of the top 15, we could do it,” the assistant said. “I don’t think the coaches view Tom as special as everyone else in football does. Mr. Kraft thinks Tom is the greatest gift ever, but the coaches don’t.”


Hey, it's an argument. I mean, Matt Cassel did take the Pats to 11-5!

OTOH, Belichick's system had a top 15 quarterback who went 5-12 with that head coach the year before Bill became a genius - a quarterback whose team went 8-8 under Pete Carroll.

Perhaps if Bill goes away for a year we can find out, though it would have been a better experiment in, say, this last Super Bowl!

I think it took them both.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 03:21:25 PM
I think as Brady is viewing the end of his career, he has been more forthcoming.

And if some take objection to Brady showing his "true self" whatever that might be, I imagine he will survive his anonymous and envious critics, quite nicely.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 19, 2018, 11:22:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mWH3GnwDuA)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 10:02:32 AM
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)

6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.

3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.

And no reason to expect the trend to stop.

Implications for colleges and the pros.

Will Trump step in to save the game?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: LarryBnDC on September 20, 2018, 04:10:34 PM
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)

6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.

3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.

And no reason to expect the trend to stop.

Implications for colleges and the pros.

Will Trump step in to save the game?

In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 20, 2018, 10:00:43 PM
Tyrod Taylor just got Wally Pipped.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2018, 11:34:27 PM
Congrats boz
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 20, 2018, 11:42:37 PM
Congrats boz
Free beer!

Joe Thomas has dropped a lot of weight.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2018, 11:47:13 PM
probably cut out starches or something
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 12:08:00 AM
Almost physically restraining my overreaction.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 12:57:30 AM
Fuck it. BAKER MAYFIELD IS THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK SINCE OTTO FUCKING GRAHAM! WE ARE WINNING THE NEXT 12 SUPER BOWLS!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 01:31:30 AM
That is out of my system.  We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him.  Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.

I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2018, 09:59:29 AM
The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.

And now that you have the GOAT...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 10:14:17 AM
https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html (https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/Friday-Night-Lights-Fading-493629491.html)

6 schools had to cancel their seasons due to lack of sufficient players.

3600 fewer players in that area than in 2012.

And no reason to expect the trend to stop.

Implications for colleges and the pros.

Will Trump step in to save the game?

In this area lacrosse is the growing contact sport.

Spring sport.

Not sure what HS aged footballers are doing when they drop from the ranks.  YOUTH can transition to soccer.  But at 15/16?  Wouldnt be common.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 10:18:51 AM
That is out of my system.  We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him.  Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.

I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.

There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut

Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")

Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.

Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it.  And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.

Cant wait to hear MIKE F today.  He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 10:21:55 AM
The thing that has impressed me so far is the Browns D-it looks real.

And now that you have the GOAT...
Denzel Ward: three games, three turn overs. Four sacks for Garrett, and O-Gun is playing in the backfield. Yeah, we have played well enough on defense to win each game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 10:31:27 AM
That is out of my system.  We'll see how Mayfield does when teams start game planning for him.  Looked good tonight, and the offense looked crisper and just plain better with him.

I assume Taylor's concussion will be stretched out to make the starting decision fait accompli next Sunday.

There was a WOW factor to Mayfield's debut

Even if he hadnt gotten the victory - this kid was born to lead an offense (please, save the "but it was just the Jets")

Just dont see the same gait early on with Darnold.

Credit Cleveland for going with their analysis, passing on one of the better running backs in the last 10 years while they were at it.  And adding Hyde was a nicely timed tandem move.

Cant wait to hear MIKE F today.  He of course was all in on Sam as the better player.
The "leadership" thing was the selling point, but in the NFL leadership is really inextricably from talent and results.

I liked the Jets D. They were.dominant for most.of the first half, and a lot of Mayfield's throws were in great spots. Hyde, who I always liked and thought undervalued was bottled up until the second half.

Mayfield sure seems to "get" Landry who has been as good as we paid him to be and better than I expected. I.still expect, to borrow from Aunt Dahlia's French chef Anatole, a few roughs with the smooth. But I see a glimmer.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 21, 2018, 10:34:27 AM
Browns were good on D last year, too. But the really short field they had to defend and number of plays they had to play skewed the numbers. Biggest problem was the defensive backfield, which is why they valued Ward over Chubb and traded for Randall.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 07:38:36 PM
And they already try to take Mayfield down

(bot sure who Jason McIntyre is but here he is a douche)

https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664 (https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1043211763813105664)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on September 22, 2018, 02:09:34 AM
Jets need to clean management and coaching, they should be good.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 22, 2018, 03:59:42 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

wk-3 Vikes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 01:03:18 PM
Picks today


Survivor  - Jags


Colts +6.5
Carolina  -3
Jags - 7.5
Atlanta -3
Broncos +5.5
Giants +6
Miami -3
Redskins +3
Vikings -16.5
San Fran +6.5
LA Rams -7
Arizona +6
Cowboys +1,5
Lions +6.5
Buccaneers +1.5

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

wk-3 Vikes





60% of my pool has Minnesota

Go Bills!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 01:51:27 PM
..............and some early gifts from Cousins

Bills by 17.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2018, 02:10:16 PM
KO pool

for shits and giigles

wk-1 Ravens

wk-2 Saints

wk-3 Vikes

Any given Sunday

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 02:22:14 PM
Allen must be playing well

Usually I'd say that game isnt over yet.

But.....
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 04:07:58 PM
Wait a minute -

Niners are down 14 with 5 minutes left and they kicked a field goal?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2018, 05:05:57 PM
Much needed and nice bounce back week for Opie and the G-Men.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 05:17:33 PM
The end of the Jimmy G era?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 23, 2018, 05:30:26 PM
Is he dead?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 06:11:23 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 09:28:17 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 23, 2018, 10:24:23 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.
I heard MCL also.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2018, 11:16:26 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 24, 2018, 07:51:31 AM
Giants finally had enough of Erick Flowers, and Eli reaped the benefits.

Pats lose, Dolphins win.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 02:10:38 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east,  maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.

Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 02:49:33 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.

Dick Pat fan alert
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 02:57:24 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.

Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2018, 03:43:32 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east,  maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.

Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?

Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.

I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?

If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.

KoD.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 03:58:03 PM
Is he dead?

No, 'just' a torn ACL, probably.

But severe injuries early in 2 of 3 seasons doesn't bode well.

Dick Pat fan alert
Who is Dick Pat?
Never mind. The penny dropped. Perhaps if you had capitalized the F.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 04:38:36 PM
The Patriots look terrible!

If they finish the half down by 6-10 points, they should be very grateful.

An awful lot of terrible tonight.

They were playing short-handed tonight, and it looked it.

Too early to panic, but not too early to be concerned.

As posted earlier, BB the coach will have his hands full coaching up the players BB the GM has given him.
Playoffs, win the east,  maybe the AFC. Chiefs look great, but that defense... Steelers are a mess, Titans and the Jags have major QB issues, even at 2 - 1 I stick by my prediction the Browns finish ahead of Cinci. There is life in the old man yet.

Mayfield.offocially named starter to the surprise of Colin Cowherd and no one else. Two in a row?

Generally after 3 weeks I get a sense of who's who. This year not so much.

I didn't see the Bills-Vikes game, but WTF?

If I had to guess the SB, I'd say KC-LA Rams.

KoD.
I have it LA Rams - Cleveland Browns. I may be overreacting for part of that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 08:46:31 PM
Pick is Rams -7.  And over 48.5.

34-24  LA
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 27, 2018, 09:10:34 PM
 Does your bookie or local sports book allow a wager so long after the game starts?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 10:46:13 PM
Only played the over......

And of course there is the scores contest.

Thinking of taking the mulligan in Survivor pool for another unit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 10:46:56 PM
Nice defense the Vikes got...

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on September 27, 2018, 10:49:00 PM
Nice defense the Vikes got...

heh

While I was listening in the car, it didn't sound like either team had defense, though the Vikings got the Rams to punt first after 5 consecutive scoring drives by the two sides.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2018, 10:44:54 AM
Back in knockout (mulligan)

FALCONS


Picks (spread)


Rams -6.5 Vikes  over 48.5  (++)


Patriots -7 Dolphins under 48

Texans +2.5  Colts over 47.5

Falcons -6 Bengals over 51.5

Bills +10 Green Bay  over 44.5

Dallas -3 Lions  under 43.5

Jets +7.5  Jags  under 38

Bears -2.5  Bucs  under 48.5

Eagles -3.5 Titans  over 42

Seahawks -3  Cardinals  under 38.5

Browns +2.5 Oakland  over 45

Chargers -10.5 Niners  under 47

Giants +3.5  Saints  over 50

Steelers -3  Ravens  under 48.5

Chiefs -5  Broncos  over 55


Underdogs to win game -   Texans, Browns, Giants

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2018, 10:52:50 AM
Chargers, Jags, Packers  biggest SURVIVOR picks.

320 players left.  About half (with me) have the one loss and thus cannot rebuy again if they lose.

Pool is about 1500 units, winner take all
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2018, 04:28:40 PM
Hah

Muerte again

Nice job by Bungles
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2018, 12:08:49 PM
Pats needed a game like that, clicking on most cylinders.

D played real well and controlled the game.

Sony Michel looked like a difference maker and had a good game, and Gordon helped.

Brady was not surgical sharp, but good enough, but he's off so far this year.

Lets see if getting Jules back, (short week vs Indy) on Thurs PM, gets them to another level.

As an aside, finding/picking games this year has been a really tough.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 01, 2018, 12:24:31 PM
Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!

To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2018, 01:01:25 PM
Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!

To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.

Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.

Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 01, 2018, 01:41:52 PM
It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball.  It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2018, 01:55:04 PM
It appears to me that Brady has, finally, lost a bit off his fastball.  It could be his receivers, but I don't think so.

He's definitely been losing his fastball for the past 2-3 years, but he had his trusted Jules and Danny to find spots/get open, and he's been surgical in the intermediate game.  But this year, with no binkies, coverage of Gronk gets tighter and the shutdown corners are looking at Dorsett and Hogan instead of Jules and Danny. Different game and he's been forced into high risk throws. And it shows.

I hope with Edelman returning and maybe Gordon being a threat, things will get easier for the old man

we'll see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 01, 2018, 02:46:33 PM
Mayfield sucks! We should never have drafted him! We won't win another game all year!

To be a Cleveland fan is to over react.

Pats might be interested if Browns and young Baker aren't a good match.

Didn't see the game, but heard the Browns got reamed late by the refs.
We got completely screwed by the refs! NO sane person should change the spot on that play unless they were paid to! We need a league wide I investigation! Baker Mayfield is the greatest QB ever and the refs were bribed to cost him his first win!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 04, 2018, 10:56:46 PM
 :Got Pats -10.  Under 51.5.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 10:39:00 AM
Steelers -3  35-31  over 57.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 11:34:13 AM
Browns 24-21  +3
 Chiefs 31-24  -3
Titans 20-17  -3.5
Panthers 27-17  -7
Broncos 20-17  +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 11:38:55 AM
Bengals 28-20  -6.5
Chargers 37-30  -5.5
Miners 20-17  -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21  -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24  -6.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 07, 2018, 03:13:25 PM
How about those Packers!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 04:48:05 PM
brutal gut punch loss for G-Men.

a 63-yarder at the buzzer?

ouch

And Brownies win in OT on what may be ugliest  wounded duck of a FG that wobbled through the goal posts in recent memory.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 11:55:29 PM
that was an insane catch n run by Hopkins to set up the game winning FG.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 09:08:04 AM
 10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 08, 2018, 09:44:19 AM
PARADE.JPEG
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 09:46:20 AM
10-4 wins
7-6-1 spread

You might want to recount your wins and losses, strsight and ATS.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:32:24 AM
Eggles lost - had it as a W


9-5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:48:17 AM
Eggles lost - had it as a W


9-5

that's half the truth

and a quick accounting indicates you're 6-7-1 ATS

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:26:57 PM
Thanks again, dickie


wins vs spread


Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)

Texans a push

8-5-1


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:30:51 PM
Same 17-10 composite

Have to check the O/U

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:39:51 PM
O/U wins

New England  (over 51.5)
Pitt (over 57)
Browns (under 47)
Titans (under 39)
Detroit (under 51)
Bengals (under 49.5)
Rams (over 50.5)

7-7
24-17-1 total

always look for 60+ per cent.

Just under this week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 02:33:36 PM
Thanks again, dickie


wins vs spread


Pats
Steelers
Browns
Chiefs
Bills (+3.5)
Bengals
Chargers
Cardinals (+4)

Texans a push

8-5-1

You had neither the Bills nor the Cards.

here are your picks

:Got Pats -10.  Under 51.5.


Steelers -3  35-31  over 57.5

Browns 24-21  +3
 Chiefs 31-24  -3
Titans 20-17  -3.5
Panthers 27-17  -7
Broncos 20-17  +1.5
Packers 24-21 -1.5

Bengals 28-20  -6.5
Chargers 37-30  -5.5
Miners 20-17  -4
Eagles 27-20 -3
Rams 30-21  -7
Texans 28-24 -3
Saints 34-24  -6.5

As I said Timmy you were 6-7-1 ATS

I'll give you the benefit of thr doubt, and assume you made a mistake in recall.

You might want to check that out, as for reasons known only to you, you have demonstrated on several occasions, an inability to accurately represent your predictions.

Maybe eat more brain food.

Or stop lying.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 02:45:22 PM
Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?

Never mind.  Just too funny for words.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 03:16:54 PM
Don't you know what 20-17 -4 means?

Never mind.  Just too funny for words.

best of luck telling your bookie that Titans -3 1/2 and 49ers -4 are winners, and he got it wrong.

TFF
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 08, 2018, 09:34:48 PM
Drew Brees is the GOAT.

END


OF


STORY.

STFU, Brady.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 08:39:30 AM

Just noticing the Saints romp.....

Takes us to 9-5 vs the number
10-5 on game winners
8-7 O/U

27-17 composite (.614)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 10:37:23 AM
heh

and Trump only got a 1-million dollar loan from daddy.

accounting is tricky stuff.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 02:26:20 PM
I guess it can be

100% straight forward in this case

But I appreciate your counting along with me.  As youc an see, I am quite willing to correct anymistake I make in my quick counting.

Can you go back and tally last week for me?  I didnt count up totals for 2 of the 4 weeks.  1 I know was pretty shoddy.






Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:02:20 PM
21-23-1 last 3 weeks......vs spread.

Will tally weeks 1 and 2 later on......
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:09:21 PM
its been a tough year for most people handicapping games this year.

I'm in a ATS pool and I'm hovering near .500, but only about 10% are over .500. 

Last week was my best week (ATS) to date. 9-5-1.

My game/bar bets are doing better, in the black a few $$$, but can't find as many games as I really like.

Too many new QBs and teams going through personnel changes to get solid reads plus its still a little early see who's over and under-valued.

Hopefully things get easier and more transparent as more info assessed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 11:04:00 AM
leaning G-Men +3 tonight against a beat-up Iggles in what could be played in a monsoon

probably the under too (45)

all subject to fine tuning and some 2nd guessing and injuries but lets go with

dogs 23

birds 17
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 11, 2018, 11:08:27 AM
Wet weather favors running game and receivers causing defenders to fall down.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 11:53:23 AM
the weather is going to be bigger factor than usual tonight

but seeing how my season has gone so far, it will probabyl be sunny and in the 70s tonight

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 05:22:46 PM
Giants, getting 3, win game.  Game goes OVER 44 points

NY 24  Philly 21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 07:40:17 PM
Eagles win after Nick Foles enters game. :-o
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 09:20:37 PM
sounds like the citizens of Mayberry are getting a little frustrated with Opie
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 10:38:35 PM
Barkley putting on a helluva show
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 10:50:56 PM
rest of the G-Men putting on a no-show.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2018, 10:04:10 AM
Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up

Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up

He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2018, 10:06:52 AM
And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 02:55:09 PM
Felt bad for Opie last night, as the big kids were beating him up

Aunt Bea made him cookies to cheer him up

He might want to sit down with Pa and consider a future career in law enforcement or film-making, but not QBing, as he may get killed without an O-line



Heh

Pretty sure EMann won't have to work post career.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 02:56:27 PM
And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.

That hasn't been said on NY radio
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Will make this a little easier to understand this week



Week 6 picks (winner of bet listed first)


Giants +3 vs Philly  26-23 NY   (44)

Cleveland +1 vs Chargers   Browns 22-19   (45)

Vikings -10.5 vs Cards  30-14 Min   (43)

Miami +3  vs Chicago   Dolphins 23-20  (41.5)

Skins -1 vs Panthers  Wash 27-24   (45)

NY Jets -2.5 vs Colts   NY  24-20   (45)

Steelers +2.5 @ Cincinnati   Pitt 27-24   (53)

Bucs +3.5 @ Atlanta  Falcons 31-30  (57.5)

Seahawks -3  Oakland (London)  SEA 27-20  (48)

Houston -8 vs Bills   Texans 27-17   (OFF)

Rams -7 @ Denver   LAR 30-21  (52.5)

Dallas +3 vs Jaguars   Cowboys 20-17  (40.5)

Ravens -3 @ Tennessee   Baltimore 23-17  (41)

Chiefs +3.5 @ New England   Patriots 31-30   (59.5)

Green Bay -9.5 vs 49ers    Packers 35-17  (46.5)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 09:30:30 AM
And he probably should not listen to the radio or internet as he will hear/read some variation of he should retire or the G-Men should have drafted a QB instead Barkley.

That hasn't been said on NY radio

I don't know which NY radio you listen to, but I suspect its might be NPR, because if you listened to "FAN you would have heard some combination of Yankee post-mortem calls killing Stanton and Boone, and an avalanche of calls, questioning the Giants strategy to reload based upon Eli's leading the team, and that Eli is cooked, done finito, and when does he get benched.

The 1st and 2nd guessers ruled the airwaves in a wake of the Yankees and Giants losses.   

There is no question Barkley is a hugely talented player, but All Things Considered, he's a luxury item for a team that needs basics.

its like putting a $25,000 deluxe 30 speaker audio system in a '72 shitbox Ford Pinto.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 09:53:43 AM
Yeah..my bad

Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers.  People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 09:55:30 AM
Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.

Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 14, 2018, 10:27:38 AM
Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.

Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
.
Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?

Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 10:50:04 AM
Yeah..my bad

Didn't realize you were talking about the genius callers.  People who actually have some credibility gave that no attention.

Sorry koach some people recognized the G-Men needed a complete overhaul, starting with a rebuild of the O-line. Adding a running back, even as good as he is, with the #2 pick, seemed to me like a luxury item for the Giants.

I posted last year there were 2 reasonable choices, draft a new franchise QB or trade the #2 for a basket of picks to start rebuilding the holes on the O and D.

But new management pussied out and kept the Maras and Tisches and the pitchfork carrying folks of Mayberry happy, and avoided the QB controversy that was staring them right n the face, and picked a running back at the #2, and then compounded their stupidity by extending OBJ to a new mega contract.

And the good but simple townfolk of Mayberry were told the G-Men were an offfensive juggernaut now ready to compete for post-season glory.

What they got was a good running back with no O-line to open holes for him, or protect an all but immobile and quickly deteriorating QB, who has no time other than to throw 2 yard check downs, while OBJ heads for the locker-room throwing his teamates under the bus.

G-Men's season is all but over, and one can only hope that new management picked up some Titleists, as thats the only ball that will see any action this post-season by BIG BLUE.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 10:55:00 AM
Questioning the Barkley pick is beyond asinine.

Any picks this week, Dickie is from Southy?
.
Speaking as a fan of a team that passed on Goff and Wentz and Watson, and as someone who wanted his team to draft Barkley, it is not an asinine question, no matter how good Barkley is. The Giants need a franchise Quarterback for the future more than they need a stand out running back. Runn8ng backs do not win championships in the way QBs do. How many championships did Barry Sanders and LaDamien Tomlinson get?

Maybe the Giants will be bad enough to luck into a franchise Quarterback in the next year or so. Or maybe they will panic into reaching for a Quarterback in hopes of nabbing one. But if Darnold or Allen or Rosen become elite Quarterbacks and the Giants struggle to find Manning's successor, that is a legitimate question you will be hearing for years.

I know squat about fantasy football, but from what I understand, running backs like Barkley are highly prized in fantasy world, which may explain kid's delusion and his confusing the real world and real football, with his fantasies.

And you, me and more than a few others, have mentioned "Barkley"Sanders in posts.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 11:21:13 AM
looking at the Browns as a pick'em, and Denver +7

have bet the Pats -3

think thats going to be a high-scoring game something like

Pats 38
Chiefs 31 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 12:12:32 PM
Cant change it in my pool now but would think Bears will now cover with tannehill out
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 01:31:43 PM
"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."

Yeah....nice call

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 02:39:30 PM
"What (Giants) got was a good running back..."

Yeah....nice call

Heh


Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.

The Giants are not a good football team. They were not a good football team last year, and have not been a good football team in several years.

It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.

So I understand why that conclusion escaped you.

So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.

So yes they got a good running back.

But that's all they got.

Enjoy Barkley in your fantasy play.

Heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 05:30:08 PM
I bagged my league but my RBs were the Broncs rookie, White and McCaffrey (Bell was also on my autodrafted roster)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 05:51:54 PM
Quote from: bankshot1


Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.


Thanks, google
Quote


It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.


Not just any running back

Quote



So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.



Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer

Enjoy the process




Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 06:03:07 PM
4-5 into the late games

Oy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 06:19:52 PM
Quote from: bankshot1


Giants were 3-13 last year, and are now 1-5.


Thanks, google
Quote


It should have been obvious to anyone with a brain they had far greater priorities than using the #2 pick in the draft on a running back if they really wanted to fix the team.


Not just any running back

Quote



So its likely, absent readical change and some luck, they will not be a good football team next year.



Can't imagine if/when but I am sure you are ready to move the goalposts at any positive glimmer

Enjoy the process

I never move the goalposts, I don't have to.

I made the argument last year the G-Men had two options with regard to the #2 pick. 1) Identify the new franchise QB in a year where there seemed to be several good choices The Giants rarely draft that high and it seemed like a good time to pick Eli's succesor. 2) The other option was to trade down, and get additional picks to fill the several holes that were apparent. its possible that they could have gotten a good QB and a free high pick or two, for the #2 pick. An additional suggestion was to trade OBJ for maybe a #1 and a 3, or whaterver the market was for an all-pro WR/prima dona. There was a good opportunity for new management to rebuild on an accelerated time frame.

The Giants opted for a different path. There is no question that Barkley is a special talent, but I do not think he will change a bad team, with a declining QB into a post-season team. A path that will lead them deeper into the woods.

And they will get lost.

As i said picking Barkley was like installing a $25,000 audio system in a '72 Pinto.

Happy motoring.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 11:28:54 PM
 Niiiice.  A perfect game to finish this Sunday

Pats win.  Chiefs cover.  And the over. 

Sox win with Price.  All is good.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 11:30:52 PM
great double-header

one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 12:14:37 AM
4-5 into the late games

Oy.

Had this wrong - it was 5-4

Finished 8-6.  12-2 on winners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:15:10 AM
Niiiice.  A perfect game to finish this Sunday

Pats win.  Chiefs cover.  And the over. 

Sox win with Price.  All is good.

"with Price"

Try "despite Price."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:16:03 AM
great double-header

one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history

Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:56:41 AM
great double-header

one of the more memorable nights in Boston sports history

Reports of ER visits for cardiac arrests are up.

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/10/14/red-sox-chris-sale-hospitalized-stomach-illness-alcs/

Visits to the hospital for stomach upset are also up.

Quote
#RedSox LHP Chris Sale reported a stomach illness today and was admitted to MGH for observation this afternoon. He will be kept overnight for evaluation and any further updates will be released when available.

He started feeling it after the game, Saturday. While he isn't traveling when the team does to Houston, they've made no determinations of what's going to happen yet.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 08:38:41 AM
Price to Game 5.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 05:37:56 PM
.705 composite this week

13-2 winners
8-7   ATS
10-4  O/U

31-13
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: luee on October 16, 2018, 07:32:00 PM
Giants are now in QB hell and cap hell. Eli has one 30 point game in three years! Jets are in QB and cap heaven.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 10:16:08 AM
A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.

Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:24:08 AM
The best argument I think for Barkley remains  that he's a once-in-a-generation talent and that the type of talent that was available QB wise comes along every year.  The problem with that argument is that you're not always in a position to grab that QB talent and that even if you do, by the time that QB talent is developed and ready (I think QBs, with notable exceptions, take several years to be ready to win and running backs are usually done, with fewer notable exceptions in only a few years), Barkley would likely be on the downside and thus the benefits of having both might not be that great. 

I think Herbert is as talented as anybody who came out last year, but he seems several years away from being an NFL QB.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 11:24:47 AM
I think the Giants wont pick #1 - and Herbert may very well be gone.

Who they take is anyone's guess.

Maybe Eli gets pasted and we get to see one of the 2 backups.

Doesnt usually happen though - does it?

JACOBY BRISSETT has been brought up as a guy Giants should look at.  I dont disagree.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: luee on October 17, 2018, 01:20:48 PM
Herbert is ranked number one on most draft sites. Giants should go after him. Mara still cannot believe that Eli has any thread left on the tires?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 01:55:21 PM
Eli rates just fine.

I dont think Giants will have the top pick.  But we shall see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 09:28:48 AM
Thursday nighter


Denver -2 at Arizona  41.5

Broncos 24  Cards 19


Sunday morning (London)


LA Chargers -6.5 vs Titans  45

Chargers 24  Titans 20  (Titans side win bet, geniuses)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 10:13:01 AM
A few mocks have Giants taking the Oregon QB.

Bank will tell us that combining Barkley and Herbert cannot possibly be better than having drafted Sam Darnold.

heh

There's no need to misrepresent my opinion, and an opinion that has gained currency as the Giant's season has developed.

So I will repeat what I said last year, the Giants had two good options with the #2 pick

1) draft Eli's successor
2) trade the pick for a package of picks to address a few areas of concern

Again, Barkley is a very talented player, but very few running backs, particulalry in today's pass-centric game, are the centerpiece of a team's offense.

I'll stick to the pimpimg out the  '72 Pinto shit-box analogy.

And as I'm not really familiar with Herbert, I'll pass judgement on him.

So kid, play to your strength, and feel free to misrepresent my opinion on him to cover your own inadequacies.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 12:03:29 PM
Its basically what you have concluded. 

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:19:40 PM
Nope I concluded with the #2 pick the Giants had two options, neither of which was buying a $25,000 audio system for a '72 shit-box Pinto.

IMO Barkley was a luxury item that Giants could not afford.

If the Giants end up with another top (1-4) draft pick maybe they should seriously consider the next franchise QB if they think he's there

and then use the next couple of picks (2nd 3rd round) to start rebuilding the O-line, becasue if you stick a rookie QB behind that line and he will get killed.

or if ther next QB is not there consider trade offers to trade down, and use the extra picks to rebuild.

I don't know enough about Herbert to conclude he's the next G-Men franchise savior.

But in the next couple weeks, will start watching more college games and start making observations.

I find that information is the best way to start to form a useful opinion.

I understand thats a concept foreign to you.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2018, 09:02:18 PM
6 games

6 TD

811 yards from scrimmage

5.2 yards per carry

1-5 record

Oh - and no O line.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2018, 09:04:54 PM
I think James Stewart or (insert free agent here) could be doing all that with the reps.

heh

Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 10:38:23 PM
6 games

6 TD

811 yards from scrimmage

5.2 yards per carry

1-5 record

Oh - and no O line.

Kid you keep on confusing fantasy scoring with the how the modern NFL game is played.

$25K sound system in a '72 shitbox Pinto.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 10:42:06 PM

Coolest stat is Barkley has yet to carry 20 times in a game

very few losing teams use a running game to get back into games.

Its mostly a time management problem.

Barkley is a very talented RB, but his skills may not be fully untilized in his current situation.

Funny how I've been hearing more and more 2nd guessing on WFAN over the pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 07:26:41 PM
Rest of NFL slate


Patriots  -3.5  @ Chicago  49.5

Tampa Bay -3  vs Browns  49.5

Lions -1 @ Miami   off

Philadelphia  -4.5 vs  Panthers   45.5

Indianapolis  -7.5 vs  Bills   43.5

Kansas City -6 vs  Bengals   58.5

Vikings  -3 @  NY Jets    47

Jacksonville  -4.5 vs  Texans   42.5

Baltimore  -2.5 vs  Saints   49.5

Washington  -1.5 vs  Cowboys    41.5

Rams  -10 @  San Francisco  53

Atlanta  -6 vs  NY Giants   54.5





Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 10:56:22 PM




Patriots  -3.5  @ Chicago  49.5    -  Pats  27-19

Tampa Bay -3  vs Browns  49.5   -  Bucs  26-20

Lions -1 @ Miami   off    -   Dolphins  20-17

Philadelphia  -4.5 vs  Panthers   45.5    - Eagles 23-20  (Panthers cover)

Indianapolis  -7.5 vs  Bills   43.5   - Colts 24-17 (Bills cover)

Kansas City -6 vs  Bengals   58.5   -  Chiefs  35-28

Vikings  -3 @  NY Jets    47  -  Jets 24-21

Jacksonville  -4.5 vs  Texans   42.5  -  Jags 24-17

Baltimore  -2.5 vs  Saints   49.5   -  Ravens 30-27

Washington  -1.5 vs  Cowboys    41.5  -  Cowboys 20-17

Rams  -10 @  San Francisco  53  -  Rams 34-23

Atlanta  -6 vs  NY Giants   54.5  -   Falcons   34-31  (NY covers)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 21, 2018, 04:39:52 PM
Patriots cover and the points are well over.

Hope Sony Michel is okay.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2018, 04:54:51 PM
Pats-Bears was one weird game all the way to the final whistle

It looked liked Michel got corkscrewed into Soldier's Field.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 21, 2018, 05:02:35 PM
 Holy crap, Eagles.

Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Punt
Td
Fumble
Game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2018, 09:08:27 AM
Late FG and XP misses a killer (Dallas, Baltimore), though it did help somewhat (59 yarder) in TB game

6-6  vs spread here (push on TB/Cle), though I did make one late change for the better in the contest - switching off to Vikes win and cover

O/U were 6-6

ouch.

Need Giants cover and over for positive week.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2018, 10:17:12 AM
"Late change for the "bettor"

I'm sure it was.

heh

Speaking of the Monday Morning QBing and the G-Men

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/sports/eli-manning-giants-future.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)



Fans now loudly accuse the Giants’ brain trust of not only bungling this season but ruining the team’s future, too.

At the center of it all is Eli Manning, the beloved quarterback who brought the team its last two championships, winning the Most Valuable Player Award in each Super Bowl, but who is well past his prime.


Ruining the future?

Wow that's harsh.

I took the Giants and the points, (a crazy +5 1/2) as everyone scores on Atlanta's D, should be a high-scoring affair.

But reading that article I may make some "late changes for the "bettor".

I play in an ATS pool and having a very poor season so far, as are most people, from what I can tell.

of 20 players, 2 are over .500, and only one in the money when accounting for vig.

too much uncertainty and too many young QBs who play hot and cold and hot
 
its good to be the house.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2018, 11:16:30 PM
back door cover

NY/NJ rejoices!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2018, 08:47:08 AM
Wow - talk about your misleading headlines:

Matt shines, Eli struggles........

What?

31-39 for Ryan
27-38 for Eli

10+ yards per attempt for Eli
<10 yards per for Ryan

1 TD/ 0 int for each

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 09:37:27 AM
Which guy got more fantasy points?

G-Men left too many guys on base

couldn't get a hit with RISP.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 01:39:34 PM
G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.

Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.

Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 23, 2018, 02:14:27 PM
G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.

Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.

Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 02:40:36 PM
G-Men trade Eli Apple to Saints for a 4th and 7th.

Tank-a-thon is on in the Big Apple.

Some might wonder if the wrong Eli got traded.
Probably decided to trade the only Eli they could get anything for.

boz whaddayamean?

This is an offense that is built for a long post season run!!!

I'm just thankful the Maras are keeping it together.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2018, 03:02:04 PM
Nice job by Giants getting Apple's value up to at least a respectable level.

Byyyyyye, Annnnnnniee........
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 23, 2018, 11:20:21 PM
Bleacher Report's got an opinion piece that perhaps the Giants aren't ruining their future, but they are wasting OBJ's career:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2802329-giants-squandering-odell-beckhams-prime-by-refusing-to-address-the-eli-problem?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 09:40:03 AM
 Really?  How long you think Beckham will play?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2018, 09:45:13 AM
I don't see him playing very long. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:25:54 AM
Apple trade -

Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.

If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.

But....

somehow I think its the latter.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 24, 2018, 11:24:24 AM
Apple trade -

Either you feel next year is also a wash - or you feel the replacement can somewhat replicate what E App has given you.

If the former - then the OTHER Eli has to be on the block, since you shouldnt foresee him being an effective QB in 2020-21.

But....

somehow I think its the latter.
Eli Manning is an untreadable asset. Not that he is not better than several other Quarterbacks, but the geams.with worse ones would not be interested in Manning.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 11:45:15 AM
Hmmm........

Not so sure

There are teams that are close - and not 100% thrilled with their current QB situation.

Could such a team rework their cap situation to fit Eli in?

Likely there is such as scenario - sure

At issue would be what the Giants demand and if that would then squelch the deal.

But again - if Gettleman thinks Giants can be a playoff team with Eli in 2019-20.......he stays anyway.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 01:23:46 PM
Eli's due $23M next year, then a UFA, so one has to wonder what team trades for an immobile 38 YO QB on the hope they can adequately protect him?

The speculation was the Jville and Coughlin might be a landing spot.

But with the Giants breaking up the D, (Apple, Harrison and who's next?) it seems next years draft might have to be dedicated to Eli's eventual replacement, defense with some O-line FAs added in.

There are a lot of holes on that team.

I'd still dangle OBJ to see what I could get for him.

He's a cancer that I've thought the Giants would be better off without. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 03:41:31 PM
Giants are being more than patient with Odell - but if overwhelmed with an offer, might send him somewhere.

Isnt the first superstar to act the fool when losing, thats for sure.

(They aint all Larry Fitzgeralds, I am sure you know)

I like the DT from HOU in first round next year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 03:51:22 PM
He's acted like a fool since his one-handed catch.

and he believed the hype.

G-Men, Coughlin in particular, blew it by allowing it to continue, but TC was afraid for his job so he allowed the tail to wag the dog.

Damn shame.

should have traded him before they signed him to a golden anchor.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 04:05:07 PM
".......and he believed the hype"

Not sure what this means.

I will let you retract if you like.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 04:25:38 PM
".......and he believed the hype"

Not sure what this means.

I will let you retract if you like.

I'm perfectly comfortable with what I've posted.

Today and over the past few years, as they are perfectly consistent.

His 1-hadned catch went to his head and he's acted like a spoiled brat prima dona ever since.

I don't think he's worth the bullshit he brings to the Giants.

And more and more I hear more and more Giant fans come to the same conclusion.

the Giants are now attached to him with a golden anchor.

they should have traded him in the off-season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 09:56:35 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 10:02:03 PM
Really?  How long you think Beckham will play?

Why the fuck are you asking me?

I shared an article - why don't you ask the writer?!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:47:12 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.

Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.

OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.

And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA

You're delusional.

That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.

Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 01:18:34 AM
Really?  How long you think Beckham will play?

Why the fuck are you asking me?


Its an open forum, Pricie.

You never have to answer if you dont wish.

YG gave the idiot response in your place
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 01:20:41 AM


Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

Thanks

I will let them know to dangle Barkley for a first year QB as well

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 02:24:14 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/10/24/eli-manning-is-headed-for-bench-its-just-a-matter-of-when/

You can let the Post know, too.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:13:45 AM
Did you not do the reading, young lad?

Issue wasnt Eli - and I agree with the Post unless they win next 3.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 10:05:50 AM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 10:34:26 AM
I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:06:33 AM
Could be

I see the line is roughly a PK or Skins -1

I'm having a Costanza year, and ready to go for chicken salad on rye, untoasted, with a cup of tea.


IMO a G-Men win would be a band-aid on a pretty deep wound.

So they'll probably win by 3 TDs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 11:10:46 AM
We're basically looking at the 1970's Giants.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:19:19 AM
It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.

I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.

kind of a leading indicator.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 04:22:53 PM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.

Gotta lighten up, pal.  I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....

Not pretty.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 04:26:58 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.

Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.

OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.

And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA

You're delusional.

That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.

Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

And as I said -

ISSUE WASNT ELI

But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 25, 2018, 04:53:10 PM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.

Gotta lighten up, pal.  I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....

Not pretty.



It's both.

But mostly losing to Eli TWICE is the driver of the ridiculous commentary bankshot has thrown up here.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 06:22:48 PM
Wrong again kid the issue was Eli and how to handle the transition to a new QB, and the Maras on down miscalculated and mismanaged the issue.

Whether it was from loyalty or not willing to admit what seemed clear, that Eli was slipping from a good QB to an aging immoble mistake-prone QB, they ignored the Eli in the room, and compounded their error.

So now they have a potentially great running back, who has no blockers, and a "best used by" date is running faster than he is, a head case attention whore wide receiver  who enjoys throwing teamates under the bus, no O-line, no defense, a QB with a deer in the head lights fear in his eyes, and a management running a Halloween fire sale to tank and rebuild on the fly.

Trick or Treat.

And now as All Hallows Eve approaches, the neighborhood kids, are buying eggs and toilet paper.

And word to the wise, the Maras should be wary of burning paper bags on the front porch.

Its likely to turn into a messy shit-show.

HEH

I understand you are bitter about the 2 Super Bowls, so this ridiculous rant is of course forgiven.

Gotta lighten up, pal.  I dont know if it is the lost titles or your disdain for Utley that has you going.....

Not pretty.

Not bitter at all.

Its a game played by others and I'm just a spectator being entertained.

I do find some of the strategic and management elements interesting and enjoy applying my knowlege and relevant experiences, both professional and personal to some of the situations.

I understand you do not understand.

But over time if you pay attentin, you may.

Its was always about Eli.

And whether to stick with him or look for his successor.

You just did not understand it.

Or that Giant management horribly mismanaged the situation.

People, at least most with a functioning brain and a modicum of understanding of the game, are starting to understand how badly they fucked up.

Not to worry, eventually it will dawn on you.



As for Utley, you may notice he follows me around like a lost puppy.

I own the idiot, and have for years.

You want to rent some space in his head?

I totally own that.

Its small and pointy, but its empty, and as you can tell its hardly used.

The views not very good though, as Utley generally has his head up his ass.

You might like it.

Make me a reasonable offer.

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 07:16:32 PM
 Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins

24-14 final

Under 44.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 07:23:50 PM
You dont just trade a guy like that

Has to be a real bigtime offer.

The dude was on an 11 win team just 2 years back, recall.  Division sure is known to turn over.

Randy Moss says you have no fucking idea what you are talking about.

And Terrell Owens is just laughing at your cluelessness.

OBJ has been a a fucking narciscistic distraction for several years.

And you think it will improve if they bring in a roookie QB next year?
HAHAHAHAHA

You're delusional.

That you continue to view the NFL through a fantasy lens is fine, but its a fantasy.

Giants should shop him, admit a mistake was made, and salvage the situation.

And as I said -

ISSUE WASNT ELI

But Josh thanks you for not allowing him to speak.

Yes.

You're delusional.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 10:57:57 PM
Houston -7.5 covers vs Dolphins

24-14 final

Under 44.5

The under seems pretty well trampled at this point. The Dolphins are trying hard to preserve their gap so you win on Houston's covering, at least!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 08:13:16 AM
heh

Thanks for keeping me updated...

1-0
1-0
0-1

.667 composite.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 10:03:39 AM
Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning

Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)

O/U is 41.5

Eagles 24  Jags 19

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 10:28:13 AM
18 of the 20 people in my ATS pool had Houston last night.

I got lucky.

I also have Iggles Sunday morning.

I aspire to achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin as that was my goal and expectation of picking full ATS slates.

So far, about 90% of that pool, have fallen short of that goal,.

Its been a tough year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2018, 12:48:55 PM
Rest of the Sunday/Monday slate:


Pittsburgh -8.5  vs Browns     51

Kansas City -10 vs Broncos    55

Chicago -7  vs  Jets    45.5

Redskins  -1  @  NY Giants    42

Detroit  -3  vs Seahawks  49.5

Cincinnati  -4.5 vs  Buccaneers    54

Ravens  -2  @  Carolina   43.5

Colts  -3  @  Oakland   50

Arizona  -1  vs  49ers   43

LA Rams -9  vs  Packers    57

Minnesota -1  vs  Saints   53

Patriots -14  @  Buffalo    44.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 12:04:50 PM


Pittsburgh -8.5  vs Browns     51     PIT  31-17

Kansas City -10 vs Broncos    55     KC  34-17

Chicago -7  vs  Jets    45.5          CHI  27-16

Redskins  -1  @  NY Giants    42    NYG  23-21

Detroit  -3  vs Seahawks  49.5      SEA  27-24

Cincinnati  -4.5 vs  Buccaneers    54    CIN  28-24 (Bucs cover)

Ravens  -2  @  Carolina   43.5    BAL  20-17

Colts  -3  @  Oakland   50    IND  30-24

Arizona  -1  vs  49ers   43   SF  24-21

LA Rams -9  vs  Packers    57    LAR  31-27 (Pack covers)

Minnesota -1  vs  Saints   53   MIN  31-28

Patriots -14  @  Buffalo    44.5    NE  30-17 (Bills cover)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:09:42 PM
Going with Eagles and the OVER Sunday morning

Philadelphia -3 vs Jacksonville (London)

O/U is 41.5

Eagles 24  Jags 19

Almost hit the EXACTA

Good Sunday start.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:56:20 PM
Eliiiiiiii..... very poor, son.  (edit - damn nice play by DB.  Eli didnt see it, OBJ looked open)

- By the way, I take Barkley and Beckham with any decent QB.  Always in the game with this duo.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 03:15:25 PM
I think the Giants are going to beat the "really mediocre, but first-place" Redskins this weekend.

I bit on that one

Pretty decent looking Skins squad today
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 03:17:30 PM
Nobody blocked the QB

OY!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 03:18:00 PM
Do the Giants know Barkley is still in this game?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
7-2 winners

6-3 ATS
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 04:50:53 PM
Felt bad for Opie, it looked like he just wanted to go home.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 06:09:35 PM
I think I am ready for a mobile QB.......
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 07:28:26 PM
Damn - Arizona with a heartbreaker over SF

Nice job by Couldhavebeenagiant Rosen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 07:48:00 PM
Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh

9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)

21-14 composite (.600)

Meh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 28, 2018, 07:49:50 PM
Gurley kneels and I lose the over - heh

9-3 winners, 8-4 ATS , 4-7 (1 push on o/u)

21-14 composite (.600)

Meh.
Screwwing over his fantasy owners to help his team. Where the Fuck are his loyalties?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 09:04:48 PM
I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 08:26:03 AM
I think you need to trade for Kirk Cousins.
Quarterback is not my problem. My problem is my wide receivers suck balls.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2018, 10:28:33 AM
Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight

Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White

Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners.  Tonight might be another time - heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 11:07:16 AM
Thought about adding LeSean McCoy for tonight

Need 3 points to tie, 4 to win - and have James White

Bellechick always finds a way to fuck with fantasy owners.  Tonight might be another time - heh
Maybe he can have White TAKE A FUCKING KNEE ON THE WAY TO SIX POINTS.

Fortunately, my suck balls wide receivers made those points irrelevant for me.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 01:27:23 PM
Browns fire Jackson as HC.

Hue's next?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
Browns fire Jackson as HC.

Hue's next?
I suspect Tito is safe. For the record my Lincoln Riley post on CFB came several hours before that news broke.

The Browns are a poorly coached team. Penalties and lack of preparation.

True interesting fact: six straight Browns head coaches have been fired the week after the second Steelers game. Mostly, that has been because it is usually the last game of the year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 01:48:48 PM
OC Haley too.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 02:02:34 PM
OC Haley too.

They fired Halley too?

Watching Hard Knocks" it was hard to ignore there seemed to be 2 HCs in competition with each other.

the fat O-line coach who drove the Ferrari should be considered.

Any fat guy who can get into and out of a Ferrari should be of value in any tight situation.

or maybe Sonny Weaver can be an interim guy. Coaching is in his blood. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2018, 06:55:44 AM
Nice late cover by Pats

Ouch

10-4 winners
8-6 ATS
4-9 O/U
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 10:05:03 AM
ugly game last night but

AWINZAWIN

Pats missed Sony and Gronk looked stiff

and Commander Brady and his lost Patriot O-men looked lost in the red zone

and got bailed out by Ghost and a pick-6

Bills played tough with no QB

next week might be different for Pats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 03:24:19 PM
Opie's job may be safe, at least for the next week or so.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25127955/new-york-giants-qb-kyle-lauletta-arrested-traffic-violation)

Lauletta was trying to make a right turn from the wrong lane in his Jaguar to get to Route 495 West, according to a statement by the Weehawken Police Department. He was told to keep going straight, but Lauletta almost struck an officer while making the illegal turn and then "refused various instructions" after he was stopped by another officer at the end of the on-ramp.

He was charged with eluding police, obstructing administration of law, resisting arrest, reckless driving, disregarding an officer's directions, improper turn in a marked traffic lane and failure to remain in a marked lane.

Police also said the same car was involved in a "similar incident" at the same location Monday, and a summons was issued by mail after the car owned by Lauletta had not stopped and left the scene.


Seems Barney Fife wrote him up.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 31, 2018, 08:47:31 PM
Thursday night clash


San Francisco (-3)  27  Raiders  21   OVER 47
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2018, 12:11:09 PM
It will be interesting to see the intramarket dynamics evolve if Darnold turns the JETS into a winner, while the Giants flounder to find the next guy.

I'll be counting Darnold v Eli/OBJ jerseys this Halloween.

kind of a leading indicator.

Halloween recap: Darnold v Eli 3-1

I felt sorry for Opie I told him I wished instead of a candy bar I could give him an O-line.

His dad snickered.

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2018, 01:16:59 PM
speaking of QB competition, good one on Sunday night when Rodgers comes to Foxboro for the first time to face-off against Brady.

.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 02, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Thursday night clash


San Francisco (-3)  27  Raiders  21   OVER 47

Dang

I would be real good without these over/unders
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 10:15:08 AM
NFL lines for Sunday  11/4


Minnesota  -5.5  vs  Detroit  (50.5)

Kansas City  -8.5  at Cleveland   (52)

Baltimore  -3  vs Pittsburgh   (47)

Carolina  -6.5  vs  Tampa Bay   (54)

Miami  -3  vs  NY Jets   (45)

Washington  -1.5  vs  Atlanta   (47.5)

Chicago  -9  at  Buffalo   (37)

Denver  -2.5  vs  Houston   (46.5)

Seattle  -1.5  vs  LA Chargers   (48)

New Orleans  -1  vs  LA Rams   (60)

New England  -6  vs  Green Bay   (56.5)

Dallas  -6.5  vs  Tennessee   (41)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 10:38:56 AM


Minnesota  -5.5  vs  Detroit  (50.5)     Vikes  30-24

Kansas City  -8.5  at Cleveland   (52)    Chiefs  35-28  (CLE covers)

Baltimore  -3  vs Pittsburgh   (47)    Steelers 21-17

Carolina  -6.5  vs  Tampa Bay   (54)    Panthers 31-21

Miami  -3  vs  NY Jets   (45)    Dolphins 24-17

Washington  -1.5  vs  Atlanta   (47.5)    Falcons 28-25

Chicago  -9  at  Buffalo   (37)    Bears  24-10

Denver  -2.5  vs  Houston   (46.5)    Texans 24-21

Seattle  -1.5  vs  LA Chargers   (48)    Seahawks  27-24

New Orleans  -1  vs  LA Rams   (60)    Saints 33-29

New England  -6  vs  Green Bay   (56.5)     Packers  37-31

Dallas  -6.5  vs  Tennessee   (41)   Cowboys  21-17  (Titans cover)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 11:23:45 AM
Anyone playing?

Nah.....didnt think so.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 02:21:42 PM
Nice half for Darnold

Just audible to a handoff, son.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 05:08:56 PM
OMG

Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.

Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 04, 2018, 05:43:19 PM
OMG

Eli Apple is the absolute worst first round DB I have ever seen.

Check out the penalty he gets in the end zone....
Justin Gilbert.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 08:17:10 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 04, 2018, 08:21:04 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.

(Over/Under? Why would we mention that?!)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
Think I got at least 4 on the O/U

White scored already?  Nice.  Good player.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2018, 11:29:34 PM
Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.

Gordon is a monster on slants.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 04, 2018, 11:54:29 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.

You got the Patriots' score on the nose...

Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 05, 2018, 10:27:35 AM
Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.

Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 05, 2018, 11:09:03 AM
Josh Gordon and Corderelle Patterson came up big tonight.

Gordon is a monster on slants.
Gordon is probably the most talented deep threat the Pats have had since Randy Moss. If he can keep his life together.

Probably. BB doesn't invest a lot of original capital in WR, and when he does he misses or gets unlucky.

Gordon's got great hands, as it seems if he's got a hold of something, he's got it. Or he's got OBJ's glove, or Rice's "stick'em".

He had his best game as a Pat last night.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 05, 2018, 01:21:07 PM
I am likely jinxing it for tonight but............

10-1, 9-2 (spread) for the week.

You got the Patriots' score on the nose...

Sure, you missed the winner, the spread, and the O/U, so, yeah, jinxed.

Yep - the forced fumble was the killer at 17-all.

And turns out we were 6-6 on the O/U - the usual mediocrity.

Onward with Titans to cover.  Last 2 weeks have not been kind on Sunday/Monday
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 05, 2018, 03:22:58 PM
Momentum seemed to be going all one way for the Pack in the 3rd qtr.

they tied the game, the Pats got stage fright at the goal line, 

RUN THE FUCKING BALL

and after a couple of punts-the Pack seemed to put together a go ahead drive.

They fumbled,

Josh goes deep into the play book

Pack cracks

Game over


a couplke of punts and then the Pack   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 05, 2018, 04:05:21 PM
Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?

Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.

Needs the guy, after all.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 05, 2018, 04:12:27 PM
Whisk knows the Gordon TD wasnt a bomb, right?

Brady showed great patience with Gordon, I thought.

Needs the guy, after all.

He needs someone to throw to, and the guy knows how to catch.

What do yuo mean by patience?

Teaching, spending time with a new team mate into a new system?

Gordon (to me) has made a solid and growing contribution over the past few weeks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 05, 2018, 09:13:37 PM
Turns out it wasnt patience.  Play was for Edelman and TB just happened to see Gordon

But I was alluding to the slip and fall in the end zone.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 08, 2018, 05:26:07 PM
Thursday nighter week 10

Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)

O/U is 51.5

The pick is

Steelers and the over

31-24 final
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 08, 2018, 08:07:33 PM
Thursday nighter week 10

Steelers -4 vs Panthers (in Pittsburgh)

O/U is 51.5

The pick is

Steelers and the over

31-24 final

Is Brown playing tonight?!

I'll pick the Panthers against the spread. And the under. 27-24, Steelers.

Demonstrating, again, my acumen for football progonstication!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2018, 07:30:37 PM
The Dez Era as a Saint may be over before it starts.

Rumored torn Achilles tendon at practice today.

If confirmed by MRI, there'll be no marchin' in for Dez for about 8 months.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 11:46:12 AM
Today's odds


Ny Jets  -7.5  vs  Bills   37

Falcons  -4  @  Browns   51

Saints  -4.5  @  Bengals   54

Buccaneers  -2.5  vs Redskins   51.5

Patriots  -7  @  Titans  46.5

Packers  -9  vs  Dolphins   47.5

Colts  -3  vs  Jaguars   47

Bears  -6.5  vs  Lions   45

Chiefs  -16.5  vs  Cardinals   50

Chargers  -9.5  @  Oakland   50.5

Rams  -10  vs  Seahawks   51.5

Eagles  -6  vs  Cowboys   43.5

49ers  -3  vs  Giants   43.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 12:17:39 PM

Today's odds


Ny Jets  -7.5  vs  Bills   37    Jets  24-14

Falcons  -4  @  Browns   51   Falcons  31-24

Saints  -4.5  @  Bengals   54    Saints  30-27 (Bengals cover)

Buccaneers  -2.5  vs Redskins   51.5   Skins  24-21

Patriots  -7  @  Titans  46.5   Patriots  27-17

Packers  -9  vs  Dolphins   47.5   Packers  30-17

Colts  -3  vs  Jaguars   47    Colts  27-21

Bears  -6.5  vs  Lions   45   Bears  23-20  (Lions cover)

Chiefs  -16.5  vs  Cardinals   50   Chiefs 40-17

Chargers  -9.5  @  Oakland   50.5  Chargers  27-19

Rams  -10  vs  Seahawks   51.5   Rams 31-23  (SEA covers)

Eagles  -6  vs  Cowboys   43.5   Eagles  29-17

49ers  -3  vs  Giants   43.5   Niners  24-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 01:07:07 PM
First visit to FAN DUEL Sports Betting the other night

Reinforced that I need to stay away - heh

Won my Steelers bets but gave it all back on silly stuff.

(Should have bets - TD by Smith Schuster was a +550 and by Steelers D/ST a pretty good number as well.
 Celts and Rockets let me down - 2 cold teams on the road - brilliant)

Nice place though

If I go with just a hundy and 20 bucks for a few beers I will be fine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 11, 2018, 03:39:33 PM
No idea what's up with the rest of your games, Kiid, but it looks like your Falcons and Patriots predictions are at least partially off.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 11, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
Titans thoroughly whipped the Pats from kick-off top final whistle

They haven't had their ass kicked like that in a long time.

F'ugly.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 11, 2018, 07:48:56 PM
Whew  what a week

Somehow got out of that at 9-3, 4-7-1
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 11, 2018, 08:23:28 PM
I think that without even a moderately healthy Gronkowski, the Pats have little chance this season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 11, 2018, 08:39:18 PM
I think that's true.

But with or w/o Gronk they haven't looked or really played like a SB-contending team so far.

Today they were terrible and a party-bus full of healthy Gronks may not have made a difference.

The bye week is coming at a good time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on November 11, 2018, 11:32:57 PM
How bad are the Jets
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 12, 2018, 10:04:03 AM
We will find out as soon as a real coach comes in

But usually a rookie qb and no stud offensive skill players doesn't portend greatness
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 12, 2018, 02:00:27 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 12, 2018, 02:34:38 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 12, 2018, 04:38:20 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
https://youtu.be/FzVe7pO4pz0

Go Greyhound and leave the driving to us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjliVll3Uyw)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on November 12, 2018, 05:02:25 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 12, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on November 12, 2018, 05:48:11 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!
Those SC quarterbacks are known for their skills once they reach the NFL 😄
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 12, 2018, 07:25:19 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!

Shady can still play when it gets blocked

McCown should be ashamed.  Just wasn't ready.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 12, 2018, 07:38:49 PM
How bad are the Jets

You should probably seriously consider other more reliable transportation.

Depending on destination, Amtrak or a bus.
Having the Bills put 41 points up on you is a good indicator. That's like five games worth of points for Buffalo
It's That Matt Barkley Magic!

Shady can still play when it gets blocked

McCown should be ashamed.  Just wasn't ready.
Alternatively, he remains McCown.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 13, 2018, 08:06:19 AM
Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 13, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
Eli, Barkley rip Niners.
More, nip Niners.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 09:49:59 AM
NFL bails out on Mexico City

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2018/11/13/rams-chiefs-moved-because-poor-conditions-mexico/6hgT4TNpnGpOOZ4uMKKF8K/story.html)


LOS ANGELES — The NFL moved the Rams’ Monday night showdown with the Kansas City Chiefs from Mexico City to Los Angeles on Tuesday due to the poor condition of the field at Azteca Stadium.

The league announced the extraordinary decision six days before one of the most-anticipated regular-season games of the year.

In a news release, the league said it determined that the recently re-sodded field at Mexico City’s historic stadium ‘‘does not meet NFL standards for playability and consistency, and will not meet those standards by next Monday.’’



I remember the good old days when Mexican grass was the gold standard of grass, but I'm not sure it was ever a good idea to play football on Mexican grass. Maybe ultimate frisbee, but certainly not football.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 15, 2018, 05:19:11 PM
Thursday nighter

Seattle -2.5 vs Green Bay  O/U 49

Pick is Pack and the over

27-24 Green Bay
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2018, 05:24:18 PM
NFL line for Sunday

(home team has name of state/city)


11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 17, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
 2 real bets tomorrow

Parlay - Giants-Bucs over 52.5 with Eagles-Saints over 56

Parlay moneyline wins - Steelers, Falcons, Saints
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 18, 2018, 11:37:23 AM

NFL line for Sunday

(home team has name of state/city)


11/18 1:00 ET Panthers -4 Detroit 51  27-21 Panthers
11/18 1:00 ET Atlanta -3 Cowboys 48  27-19 ATL
11/18 1:00 ET Baltimore -4 Bengals Off 24-21 Bengals 
11/18 1:00 ET Indianapolis -2 Titans 48  27-24 Colts 
11/18 1:00 ET Texans -3 Washington 42.5  22-19 Skins
11/18 1:00 ET NY Giants -1 Buccaneers 52  30 -27 Giants
11/18 1:00 ET Steelers -5.5 Jacksonville 47.5  27-17 Steelers
11/18 4:05 ET LA Chargers -7 Broncos 46.5  28-17 Chargers
11/18 4:05 ET Arizona -4 Raiders 40.5  20-14  AZ
11/18 4:25 ET New Orleans -8 Eagles 55  38-27 Saints
11/18 8:20 ET Chicago -3 Vikings 45.5 23-21 Bears
11/19 8:15 ET LA Rams -2.5 Chiefs 62.5  34-31 Chiefs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 18, 2018, 11:47:41 AM
Quit spamming the Board.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 18, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
Browns considering Condi Rice for HC

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)


Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.

The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.


I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 18, 2018, 02:14:20 PM
Browns considering Condi Rice for HC

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)


Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.

The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.


I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 18, 2018, 03:00:53 PM
Browns considering Condi Rice for HC

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25310452/cleveland-browns-want-interview-condoleezza-rice-head-coaching-job)


Browns general manager John Dorsey said last week that he was open to hiring a woman as Cleveland's next head coach, and one prominent name is on the team's wish list to interview.

The Browns would like to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for their head-coaching job, a league source tells ESPN.


I have a hard time seein this, and Im guessing this is mostly PR, but she's an interesting candidate.
Haslam got the idea from some homeless guy.

Rumor has it she wants Cheney as OC and Rumsfeld as DC. and Dubya to run very special teams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 18, 2018, 04:45:57 PM
Heh

This day is not to be believed

Good job Pitt and NY

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:39:56 AM
Somehow got out 5-6-1 vs the number.

But just 5 of 12 game winners.
Wow.

Fun day.  In all, including Thursday, 10 of 12 decided by 5 points or less.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:41:43 AM
Quit spamming the Board.

Public service

But my bad.  Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:48:34 AM
Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u

Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.

Cmon YG.  Play along next week.  Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 19, 2018, 09:50:20 AM
Tell ya what .... Friendly wagering.

Weeks 12-17

3 of us.  Winner gets t-shirt and hat of choice from the 2 losers (1 each)

Lets do this.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 19, 2018, 10:00:10 AM
I don't gamble.  Sorry. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 19, 2018, 10:02:21 AM
Quit spamming the Board.

Public service

But my bad.  Guy like you would much rather read about some chick politician coaching a storied NFL franchise

Heh
Guy like [ME]!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 10:38:53 AM
Looks like 6-4-1 on o/u

Chance at composite of 19-17 overall with Chiefs win and over.

Cmon YG.  Play along next week.  Bank will promise not to make too many counting errors on your totals.

kid are you still still upset years after I called you out for past-posting your picks?

You should get over it.

You were caught cheating.

And then acted childish about it.

And you still are.

kid likes to play by his own rules and touting only his "wins".

But as most understand he still loses.

SSDD

And as kid knows, I've always given an honest count to everyone in the contests I've administered.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 10:51:28 AM
kid just scroll on past this.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay (http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/browns-condoleezza-rice-head-coach-job-search-female-woman-nfl-news-replace-hue-jackson/v37h0si91u871pkk9sd95tsay)

Browns out on Condi.


her 15 minutes are up.

The Browns released a statement Sunday denying rumors that the team wants to interview former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice for the head coaching position.

"Former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is a great leader, possesses the highest possible character and also happens to be a Browns fan," general manager John Dorsey said in a statement. "I have the utmost respect and admiration for all she's accomplished and was honored to meet her earlier this season.

"Our coaching search will be thorough and deliberate, but we are still in the process of composing the list of candidates and Secretary Rice has not been discussed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 19, 2018, 11:32:07 AM
I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 12:21:25 PM
I think there was never anything to those reports. While I would not put it past Haslam, no way Dorsey would do that.

It seemed far-fetched, but someone sent up smoke signals.

speaking of which, I heard that in the event Tito retires, the Cleveland Indians have serious interest in Sen. Elizabeth Warren.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 19, 2018, 09:47:21 PM
Having Cam Erving try to block Aaron Donald is a great way to get your quarterback killed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 19, 2018, 11:23:34 PM
Good lord.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 11:34:45 PM
you praying for divine intervention?

crazy game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 11:57:20 PM
Holy shit Rams adopt Andy Reid level stupid clock management.

Even Andy thinks so.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 12:00:00 AM
that game was nuts
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 20, 2018, 12:00:24 AM
I am exhausted.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 21, 2018, 11:27:33 AM
week 12 line  Turkey Day

Bears -4 @ Detroit  45
Dallas -7.5 vs Redskins  40.5
New Orleans -13 vs Falcons  60
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 21, 2018, 11:28:48 AM
Taking the home teams.  Only OVER is Dallas/Skins
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 21, 2018, 02:38:47 PM
That Boys/Birds line looks suspiciously high.

I like the ATL, but Vegas is telling you that’s the wrong side.

Love the Bears.

Safe and happy thanksgiving to all!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 21, 2018, 03:32:58 PM
Well.....some news

Trubisky is a little iffy ....that line is down to 3 or 3.5 now.

And I am sure you heard Skins are minus their qb.  That line started at 9.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 21, 2018, 11:43:04 PM
That's what the NFL has to offer. Tackling is no longer allowed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 22, 2018, 11:33:00 AM
That’s all you got??

It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.

The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.

It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??

Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.

TURN.  THE.  TELEVISION.  OFF.

You just got SMOKED.

TURKEY.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 22, 2018, 11:39:19 AM
You may want to go back for sweet potato...

BECAUSE YOU’VE

BEEN

SERVED
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 22, 2018, 10:36:38 PM
That’s all you got??

It’s football, and of course they are going to protect players but they still get hurt.

The targeting rule in college is 95% effective in enforcement.

It may not be a disincentive but what else are you going to do??

Vote with your eyeballs utley, you gutless punk.

TURN.  THE.  TELEVISION.  OFF.

You just got SMOKED.

TURKEY.

Don't drink and post. Johnny Walker ain't your friend.

Nor is Wild Turkey, Gamecocksucker.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on November 24, 2018, 01:18:00 PM
I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.

If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.

If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.

This is a FORUM of MEN.

If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.

Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 24, 2018, 01:49:44 PM
I don’t drink at 11AM you fu<king fruitcake.

If you don’t cut out the REGIONAL BIGOTRY you will be summarily reported to SYSTEM ADMINISTRATORS for an expedient dispatching.

If you want to be one of those CRYING FOOTBALL BITCH WHINERS, take it to another spot co<kbreath.

This is a FORUM of MEN.

If you can’t GARGLE enough SCOPE to get the taste of nutsack off you tonsils, back away from the TV and computer.

Please don’t squat and piss here anymore you fucking pansy.

Have another pickleback, dope.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
Top picks today

Steelers -3 at Denver

Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks

Baltimore -11 home to Raiders


The rest

Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on November 25, 2018, 02:17:17 PM
Bengals pick not looking too good. In related news, I picked the right week to start Baker Mayfield in fantasy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 04:02:37 PM
Kearse drops the cover TD
Some of these pros really suck balls
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 25, 2018, 04:10:11 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 25, 2018, 04:52:48 PM
Top picks today

Steelers -3 at Denver

Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks

Baltimore -11 home to Raiders


The rest

Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6

Not a great day, so far.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2018, 07:28:15 PM
BUTLER!

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 07:28:42 PM
Top picks today

Steelers -3 at Denver

Carolina -3.5 home to Seahawks

Baltimore -11 home to Raiders


The rest

Giants +6
Jags -3
Niners +3.5
Bengals -3
Jets +9.5
Colts -9
Chargers -12
Packers +3.5
Titans +6

Not a great day, so far.

Very bad

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
terrible throw by Bennie

that was a pretty good game

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 25, 2018, 07:32:58 PM
Only solace is possibly getting to 7-5 in fantasy with any type decent game from Cousins.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2018, 07:44:03 PM
had my best week in what has been a tough year

10-3 ATS going into tonight.

Vikes -3

with a little luck I will achieve the consistency of a fairly flipped coin.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 26, 2018, 01:13:34 PM
I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.

Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM



Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.

don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)

when the # was 0-for-35.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 28, 2018, 04:22:23 PM
Thursday line

Saints  -7  @ DALLAS  o/u 53
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 29, 2018, 09:19:49 AM
I think Dallas can move the ball on Saints.......

With the 7........

Hmmm.......

Tough one.

Gonna stay with the hot NO squad.

34-24.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on November 29, 2018, 11:25:01 PM
I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.

Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM



Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.

don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)

when the # was 0-for-35.

That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.

This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on November 29, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
I bailed on SNF at the the end of 3rd qtr. I was footballed out and it seemed Pack had packed it in.

Heard this fascinating and hard to beleive stat/record this AM



Rodgers is 0-for-37 when trailing by more than 1 point in the 4th qtr to teams with winning records.

don't know if its true but here's a similar cite from Jan '17,

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217 (https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/green-bay-packers-aaron-rodgers-clutch-nfc-championship-stat-012217)

when the # was 0-for-35.

That would make the "Rodgers is the greatest active QB!" argument a lot harder to make, I imagine, even without Brady and the Falcons in the Super Bowl.

This was supposed to go up a few days ago. Oh, well.

the 0-for-37 stat seems almost impossible for a QB as talented as Rodgers, but the sample size is pretty big.

Brees had his shot at it tonight, and I was pretty certain he was going to pull off the CFBW, but...

was one of two who had Big D in my ATS pool

good start to the week 

.500 is getting closer

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 01:43:52 PM
Sunday picks


Steelers -3.5  over 51.5

Colts -4   over 47.5

Panthers -3.5        over 56.5

Ravens -1.5      under 49

Houston  -6    under 47.5

Bills +5.5   (MIA wins)  under 40

Giants  +4.5  (CHI wins)     over 45

Broncos -4      under 42.5

Rams  -10        over 54.5

Packers  -14      under 44.5

Chiefs  -15    under 55.5

Jets  +9.5  (TEN wins)     over 40.5

New England  -6     over 48.5

Niners   +10  (SEA wins)      over 46

Eagles  -6.5   under 44.5

 




Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 05:40:43 PM
Kirk Cousins says, "Not so fast" after Zimmer correctly challenges From I spot and Pats simply don't get half a yard.

Good coaching.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 05:51:25 PM
Chance to be 10-3 vs spread, though San Fran not looking great right now
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 08:12:37 PM
Wow - can't make this Jets shit up
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 09:16:10 PM
Freakin ridiculous non call on Chargers TD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 10:59:05 PM
Pittsburgh totally outcoached second straight week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
Can we even finish 9-6-1 now?  And if we do is it enough to win division?

Another zebra getting fired.  But conversation needs to start on Tomlin.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 03, 2018, 09:56:40 PM
I am sad for Colt McCoy.

One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 04, 2018, 08:04:51 AM
I am sad for Colt McCoy.

One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 04, 2018, 05:07:19 PM
I am sad for Colt McCoy.

One wonders what Mark Sanchez will bring to the show.
Mark Sanchez is a starter in the NFL. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.

Well, sure.

I mean, so what if Kaepernick has thrown a touchdown more recently than Sanchez. Okay, 16 of them.

And yeah, Sanchez has more interceptions in his last 9 games (partial and otherwise) than Kaepernick in his last 11.

But just because you could add Sanchez's last 3 years of QBR and they would not add up to Kaepernick's last one is no reason to hold things against him!

After all, "2/4 After losing their top two quarterbacks to injury, the Redskins are in the market for another signal caller. The Redskins will once again audition E.J. Manuel, T.J. Yates, Josh Johnson, and others," according to NFL Rumors.

Round up the usual suspects!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 04, 2018, 06:13:59 PM
Not worth the circus.

Who complaied when Bonds wasn't signed?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 06, 2018, 01:24:30 PM
21-13 Tennessee

Jags getting 4.5. Over under is 37.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 08, 2018, 09:24:33 PM
OBJ out vs Skins

Too bad.  But Shepherd will come up big.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 10:24:01 AM
The LINE
 
NFL Lines For Week 14


Date & Time Favorite Line Underdog Total

(home team has state/city name used)

12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 10:36:39 AM


12/6 8:20 ET Tennessee -4.5 Jaguars 37.5       Titans 21-13
12/9 1:00 ET Kansas City -7.5 Ravens 53        Chiefs  34-24
12/9 1:00 ET Houston -4.5 Colts 49                HOU  30-24
12/9 1:00 ET Panthers -1 Cleveland 47            CLE 23-21
12/9 1:00 ET Green Bay -6 Falcons 48.5         Green Bay 28-20
12/9 1:00 ET Saints -8 Tampa Bay 57            Saints 35-28
12/9 1:00 ET Buffalo -3.5 Jets 38.5                 Bills 21-16
12/9 1:00 ET Patriots -8 Miami 47                  Pats 31-20
12/9 1:00 ET Washington -1.5 Giants 42.5      Skins 24-20
12/9 4:05 ET Broncos -6 San Francisco 43.5    Broncos 24-17
12/9 4:05 ET LA Chargers -14 Bengals 47.5    Chargers 27-17
12/9 4:25 ET Lions -2.5 Arizona 40.5              Cards 20-17
12/9 4:25 ET Dallas -4 Eagles 43                    Cowboys 24-17
12/9 4:25 ET Steelers -11 Oakland 51.5         Steelers 31-16
12/9 8:20 ET Rams -3 Chicago 42                  Bears 24-21
12/10 8:35 ET Seattle -3.5 Vikings 45            Seahawks 26-23
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 01:49:58 PM
Dann

Didn't play Giants D in fantasy

Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 01:51:15 PM
Eli playing well
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 02:03:04 PM
Barkley!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 09, 2018, 02:13:39 PM
Dann

Didn't play Giants D in fantasy

Freakin Eagles game.....Giants could be looking at 6-7.
F'ing Panthers game too.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 09, 2018, 02:58:05 PM
Once again: Mark Sanchez is a starting NFL quarterback. Colin Kaepernick remains unemployed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 03:13:57 PM
CK would be getting his ass kicked today just the same.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 03:16:13 PM
Giants D getting about 30 fantasy points today.  Hope it doesn't cost me.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2018, 04:20:05 PM
f'ing Stanford Band play

F'ugly loss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 09, 2018, 04:21:05 PM
Wait, what. The. Hell?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on December 09, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
Dolphins with best win of the year!!!

Ravens got Mahomed.

Voodoo Saquonomics in DC.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on December 09, 2018, 04:49:29 PM
The Patriots have to be the only New Englanders who don't enjoy a trip to Miami in December
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 09, 2018, 08:31:50 PM
 Nobody in the AFC is any fuc king good

Should be Pats again in SB
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 09, 2018, 08:47:43 PM
Agreed. I think Chargers are biggest threat but need Gordon.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on December 12, 2018, 09:44:31 AM
New video of Miami miracle: https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html (https://mobile.twitter.com/Benstonium/status/1072143903262953472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1072143903262953472&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.miamiherald.com%2Fsports%2Fnfl%2Fmiami-dolphins%2Farticle222899360.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 09:58:02 AM
looking forward to Chargers  @ Chiefs tonight, but this game should really be played Sunday afternoon at 4:25pm

in 1967
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 10:12:37 AM
I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 10:13:46 AM
and don't forget Fred Arbanas!


And Lance Alworth is always all but unstoppable!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 10:19:58 AM
Hadl v Dawson

Little vs Little Train

Otis T vs Lance.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 10:32:12 AM
Exactly.

just took a look and was surprised to see Hadl is not a HoF QB.

He was one of the early AFL bombers that made the new league fun to watch
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: MrUtley3 on December 13, 2018, 01:18:27 PM
I expect Otis Taylor to have a huge game.

Is Fred "The Hammer" Williamson playing? Or is he still broken?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9gbDdp8FL8)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 04:28:26 PM
Thursday line


KC  -3.5  vs  Chargers
O\u is 53

The pick is 34-28 Chiefs
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 11:34:38 PM
Hadl had himself a helluva night.

Great CFBRW by the Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
Saturday lines

Texans  -6  @  NY Jets   41.5

Denver  -8.5  vs  Browns  46.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 01:43:57 PM
Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick

Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2? 

No.  He's an idiot.  No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum

Was lucky.  Team going nowhere.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 01:44:53 PM
Saturday lines

Texans  -6  @  NY Jets   41.5

Denver  -8.5  vs  Browns  46.5

Texans 21  Jets 13
Broncos 24  Browns 21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 15, 2018, 02:32:34 PM
Kid

I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2

line opened -4  yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3

now at -1 1/2

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 15, 2018, 04:07:35 PM
Last 2 Chargers wins absolutely sick

Do I give credit to the fine LAC coach for going for 2? 

No.  He's an idiot.  No trust of QB
/defense or realization of momentum

Was lucky.  Team going nowhere.

I think some luck goes a long way.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
Fucking Texans....

There went the under...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 07:41:58 PM
Heh

Somehow I get 2/3 of it.

Go Browns D.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
C'mon Mayfield

Still making occasional dumbass mistake.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 15, 2018, 09:58:40 PM
Maybe you figure out another way to increase your income.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 11:28:46 PM
Kid

I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2

line opened -4  yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3

now at -1 1/2

I know. Funny I got 8.5.  Made it easy.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 15, 2018, 11:55:09 PM
Kid

I haven't seen anything close to Broncos -8 1/2

line opened -4  yesterday it was 2 1/2 , -3

now at -1 1/2

I know. Funny I got 8.5.  Made it easy.

I had the Browns and +3.

It was easier than finding an impossible line

and not knowing it was an impossible line

yankguy was right, you should listen to him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:54:29 AM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:57:27 AM
"I had the Browns +3"

So did Vance Joseph.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 11:33:48 AM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

 

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:02:40 PM
Picks

Giants -2.5  over 43.5
Jags -7   over 36
Cardinals +9  over 44
49ers +5.5  under 44

Vikes -7  under 43
Raiders +3  under 46.5
Eagles +9  over 41
Saints -6.5  over 52

Bills -2.5  under 44.5
Cowboys +2  over 41.5
Bears -5.5  under 45
Steelers +1  under 52
Bucs +8  over 46.5
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 02:10:46 PM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

Everyone in the contest had the same line.  Won with the +4 anyway.   Just didn't have the game winner.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 02:34:24 PM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

Everyone in the contest had the same line.  Won with the +4 anyway.   Just didn't have the game winner.

that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public

that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.

your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 03:23:23 PM
WTF are u talking about?  I used the line I was given.

That was very nice that Aunt Bessie gave you points for Christmas,

Ho-ho-heh

Everyone in the contest had the same line.  Won with the +4 anyway.   Just didn't have the game winner.

that 4 point line was available for about 1/2 hour last Sunday night to sharps betting huge to help set the lines for the public

that line soon became 2 1/2, 3, until it went to 1 1/2 yesterday.

your 8 1/2 point line only existed in your pool and imagination.

In the pool.  Yep.  Must have been a misprint

Nice win with the +3.  Browns playing good ball for Robinson.  And Mayfield appears to have been an ok pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 16, 2018, 05:16:27 PM
Robinson?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 07:21:56 PM
need a terrible towel or one more flag to wipe up that Nantzgasm

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 07:22:34 PM
Yeah, baby!!!!

NE went away from White.  No idea why.

Stephen A has his monologue (Tomlin)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 07:28:11 PM
they went away from White 2 weeks ago when Burkhead came back

ther offense was brutal today

can't remember so many pre-snap penalties or holding calls

it killed any potential momentum

tack on a few dropped passes...

Pats pretty much sucked today
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 07:30:41 PM
The last drive.  He was in.  All set.  But Tommy went to his white (non White) boys.

Heh.

Fuck Burkhead.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 16, 2018, 10:01:34 PM
How 'bout dem Colts!
Ha!

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 17, 2018, 09:44:12 AM
How bout them Steelers?

May be different in Foxboro, I know.

Still beats being just a game ahead of the Brownies, as the danger was.

Heh.  Love that (hate that) Tomlin.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 17, 2018, 12:30:46 PM
That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 17, 2018, 03:34:12 PM
That we are even worthy a mention in week 15 makes me think, "Wait 'til next year" without a heavily ironic undercurrent for the first time since Bernie Kosar was starting.

2 very nice skill players....

And I like .....Robinson.....ahem.....Williams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 18, 2018, 08:06:00 AM
Semifinal lineup in fantasy:

(Thanks, McCaffrey and Saints D for at least showing up - heh)

Qb - 11
Rb 1 - 19
Rb 2- 3
Wr1 - 0
Wr2 - 2
Te - 3
W/R/T - 1
K - 0
D - 12

Loss - 46 points

But battle for third does look for week 16.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 20, 2018, 11:28:07 AM
Well, that was.... somewheres between "expected" and "inevitable".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2018, 12:13:56 PM
yup.

sad.

I hope he can conquer his demons.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 20, 2018, 04:58:39 PM
yup.

sad.

I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.

Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 20, 2018, 06:33:23 PM
The other shoe dropped:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&ampcf=1
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2018, 07:08:02 PM
yup.

sad.

I hope he can conquer his demons.
He has to be out of chances with the league.

Worst scenario for the Pat's. His talent made him an important element of the offense, but his demons take him from that offense at pretty much the worst possible time.

Assuming they win the AFC East, (hoe against the Bills and Jets) they have two weeks+ to tinker and find a fix.  I imagine we'll see more of James White, and Hogan and Dorsett might get dusted off. Bigger picture, while the road to the SB looks open to lots of teams, I don't expect the pats to get very far down the road. They haven't been very good this year and for lots of reasons.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 10:30:35 AM
NFL odds week 16

Tennessee  -10  Redskins   37     no pick
LA Chargers  -4.5  Ravens  44.5   no pick
Dallas  -7  Buccaneers  46.5   27-17
New England  -12.5  Bills   45    31-17
Carolina  -4  Falcons  50     24-27
Miami  -4.5  Jaguars  39       23-13
Indy  -9  Giants  46.5      21-23
Philly  -1  Texans  45.5     23-26
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 10:38:22 AM
Vikings  -5.5  Detroit  43.5    27-20
NY Jets -1  Packers  44      17-20
Cleveland -7  Bengals  45.5    27-17
Rams -14  Arizona  47.5      24-17
Bears  -4  San Francisco  42.5     28-17
New Orleans  -6  Steelers  57    31-34
Chiefs  -2.5  Seattle  53.5    27-30
Broncos  -2.5  Oakland  45    23-20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 12:51:13 PM
The other shoe dropped:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/12/20/nfl-announces-indefinite-suspension-for-josh-gordon/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiW0u7PyK_fAhUSCKwKHQ9aD54QiJQBMAB6BAgCEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3tkyWbLNTzq_utSSar6JYJ&ampcf=1

Agree.

Pats(STEELERS) out of SB.

FIXED
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 23, 2018, 01:14:02 PM
Barkley!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 23, 2018, 05:02:09 PM
lots of back doors covers today

musta been a sale down at the Sears
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 23, 2018, 05:03:25 PM
refs screwed the Steelers with that gift PI call for Brees

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 23, 2018, 06:51:54 PM
Eagles-Skins game on Sunday now has meaning, and they're calling Foles..St. Nick, of course! Pats fans should be happy that St. Nick brought the team down to score, because the Texans losing keeps Pats alive for a first round bye.

But Foles's QBing meant more:

Indy and Tennessee play in Week 17. If Houston loses at home to the Jaguars, the winner of Colts-Titans would claim the AFC North. Even if Houston wins, a Ravens loss to the Browns would get the winner in. And even if the Ravens win, a Steelers loss to the Saints [gives] Baltimore the AFC North title and allow the winner of Colts-Titans in as a wild card.

Source:cbssports.com

Next Sunday, I think they start all those games at the same time.

Ho, Ho, Friggin' Ho!!!

St. Nick, indeed.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 24, 2018, 08:31:53 AM
8-4-1

Tough losses -

Texans, Pats, Cowboys (push)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 24, 2018, 09:54:22 AM
Got a shot at win 10 tonight and inching closer to .a 500 season.

I aspire to a 3rd place pool finish and the record of a fairly flipped coin!

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 11:35:47 AM
Winners vs spread today

Giants  -6
Patriots -13.5
New Orleans -7.5
Green Bay -8

Jags +7
Falcons -1
Bills -3.5
Baltimore -6

KC -13.5
Eagles -6.5
Steelers -14.5
Bears +5

Chargers -6.5
Cardinals +13.5
Rams -10
Colts -3
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
Best RB in the game rumbling already.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 30, 2018, 01:29:29 PM
Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 02:59:32 PM
Pats and Ravens were my best bets

Looking at 2-5 early....ouch.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 03:13:57 PM
Best RB in the game rumbling already.
I believe Gurley is sitting today.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 03:48:31 PM
Barkley!!!

Nice day for Eli as well.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 04:15:41 PM
Shame.  Eli put the ball right where it needed to be on 4th.

Play calling was severely lacking.  Just needed 15 yards and had over a minute.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 04:36:52 PM
Fake punt on 4th and 5 last week, with a lead

And now 4th and 1 at opponents 43 and Tomlin punts
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 30, 2018, 05:24:31 PM
3 of my picks I really didn't feel great about

Giants  Cardinals  Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 31, 2018, 12:00:41 PM
Shurmer must go. When you lose that many games late, It's the coach.

 Ravens caught a big break with the Jackson fumble that Peppers picked up. He was heading for 6 the other way when whistle blower stopped the play.

50 years since Jets beat the Colts in SB3.

Suffer some more, Jets fans.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 31, 2018, 12:07:50 PM
Whatever compromising photos Marvin Lewis had of Mike Brown are about to be published.

Rumors we will be replaced be Lose Jackson are probably just wishful thinking on my part.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 31, 2018, 12:37:22 PM
Re:  Browns

Nice effort.  Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.

Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.

Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2018, 01:24:24 PM
Re:  Browns

Nice effort.  Though I can't get over 1st and ten at Bengals 39 resulting in 4 consecutive incompletions.

Had over a minute on the clock and needed 5-6 yards to attempt winning fg.

Hadn't heard about the Peppers play but Steelers made their own bad luck, can't say they deserved better.

"Ravens"

but your point about the Browns play-calling stands.

plenty of time for a screen-pass or even try to run the ball

that game had last second FG all but stamped on it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on December 31, 2018, 04:52:27 PM
Lots of NFL jobs open!

I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!

But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 31, 2018, 04:57:14 PM
Lots of NFL jobs open!

I have to say, it is hard to believe that Cinci finally fired Marvin Lewis. He wasn't any worse this year than last, as far as this outsider could tell!

But it is even harder to believe that they didn't can him long before this! No playoff wins in 15 years and an 0-7 record? Wow.
Finished below the Browns.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: jbottle on January 01, 2019, 09:21:29 PM
The Browns have a mothereffer at qb an after going 0-16 or whatever in draft, that, I “you like that”
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 04, 2019, 09:13:10 AM
Boston source: Patriots get to skip playoffs and enter Super Bowl.

https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-willie-mcginest-predicts-patriots-162551598.html)

Keep those balls inflated, gentlemen.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2019, 11:30:42 AM
AFC is wide open, but don't love Pats chances this year, too many vulnerabilities.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 04, 2019, 02:10:36 PM
Uh huh.

Texans

Bears




.....unless its Pats-Saints.

14-1 on HOU to get there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2019, 04:04:27 PM
Uh huh.

Texans

Bears




.....unless its Pats-Saints.

14-1 on HOU to get there.

to me of the 6 AFC teams Texans is the least atrractive (straight win)

IMO Chiefs-Pats-Ravens are all about the same, then Chargers

Don't see a clear favorite

wouldn't be shocked w/a Saints-Bears NFC championship game

Brees at home would be the pick

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 04, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
Heh

Sure thing.  Chiefs, Ravens even.

Got it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2019, 08:55:59 PM
I like teams that play defense.

Ravens probably have the best defense in the AFC.

KC the worst among the 6 AFC post-season teams.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 03:18:03 PM
looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.

first up

indy @ Houston

I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.

Houston by 3

24-21
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 03:36:12 PM
Ok here we go....

300 bucks to start

NFL playoffs only

Play along if you like.  Odds are here:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/ (http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/)

First bet

HOU to win AFC   $20  at 10-1

Second bet

Bears to win Super Bowl  $30  at  8-1

3rd bet

$20  money line parlay  Seahawks, Chargers.

Takes me down to $230.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 04:59:19 PM
looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.

first up

indy @ Houston

I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.

Houston by 3

24-21

didn't take long for the Texans to turtle.

shoulda stuck with my first impression

I should get my glasses checked.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 05:32:29 PM
Romeo with the well thought out game plan.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 05:35:50 PM
I think 20 just saved the game.  Texans injuries pile up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 05, 2019, 05:52:49 PM
Uh huh.

Texans

Bears




.....unless its Pats-Saints.

14-1 on HOU to get there.


Um..I know games have two halves, but, how's that Houston thing looking right now?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 05, 2019, 05:53:43 PM
looks like 4 interesting match-ups this weekend.

first up

indy @ Houston

I want to say Indy, but I'm having a hard time seeing them win a play-off game on the road.

Houston by 3

24-21

Well...there two halves...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 05:59:41 PM
Looks like Pats get Chargers.

Not what they wanted.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 06:18:00 PM
Ravens lose already?

I assume BB might have been rooting for the Texans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 07:23:32 PM
Well....got the UNDER

Correction on Seahawks

24-21, thus putting it OVER the 43.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 07:25:01 PM
"Should have gone to the backup QB"

-  Yes
-   No
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 08:16:28 PM
lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double

Dallas 24

Seattle 20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 09:24:31 PM
Really, Garrett?  58 yards?

Idiot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 09:26:02 PM
HOU actually had every chance at 24-21.  Sad offensive display.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2019, 11:02:48 PM
I guess so, but being in a 0-21 hole sort of works against most reasonable chances of getting to 24-21..

Colts basically kicked their ass.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:05:21 PM
Ha!  Knew that flag was coming.  Great working of refs by Garrett.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 05, 2019, 11:09:20 PM
I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:30:57 PM
For tomorrow.. 

Chargers 23-20
Bears 23-16
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:34:53 PM
lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double

Dallas 24

Seattle 20

Almost had it perfect

But I get the cover.

You had money line and the over at least.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 11:35:46 PM
I suppose if you're going to count the opportunities the Texans missed to make it 24-21 then you need to count Luck's bad interception on the way to making it 28. Or you can just stop gambling and not have to deal in such silliness.

I don't have any cash on these games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 12:25:09 PM
1st game I'm sticking with 24-20

Poe's Crows 24

Sons of Lance Alworth 20
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 06, 2019, 12:41:01 PM
 Money already moving in on KC vs Indy.  Up to 5.5.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 06, 2019, 12:45:17 PM
Over/under on early game has moved to 43.  I have it right on that number but it was 41.5 when I made the pick.

Had both O/U yesterday plus the SEA cover.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 12:56:18 PM
lets play the other half of the Lone Star Daily Double

Dallas 24

Seattle 20

Almost had it perfect

But I get the cover.

You had money line and the over at least.

Yahoo pick'em had the game as Dallas + 1 1/2

go figure

so got all 3 elements.

didn't bet it though


still in 5th place of 20 ATS players

got a shot at 3rd

and still holding out hope (small) for a breakeven year on full slate

but am running out of games
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 01:20:02 PM
Ravens can't seem to keep their claws on the ball

Yahoo lines this round

Favored   Ind   Sea   Bal   Chi   
Spread   1.5   1.5   2.5   5.5   
Underdog   Hou   Dal   LAC   Phi   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 06, 2019, 02:03:07 PM
 Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 06, 2019, 02:24:51 PM
Antonio Gates played with Dan Fouts.
I thought he played with John Hadl.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 02:42:02 PM
Lamar no-showed.

Flacco time?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 03:30:48 PM
a lot going on with that TD

so it seems it will be Pats-Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 06, 2019, 03:36:38 PM
San Diego Super Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 04:15:15 PM
game got interesting
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 04:39:18 PM
Pats opened at -4 1/2
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
sticking with 24-20

wit da Bears winning
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 06, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
Wow.

Quite the ending - and a crusher for the Bears.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 06, 2019, 07:53:13 PM
double doinker nut punch loss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 06, 2019, 07:57:22 PM
Shame.

Nice job, Trubisky.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 06, 2019, 08:32:04 PM
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Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 06, 2019, 10:43:34 PM
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I have that book.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 07, 2019, 11:07:53 AM
Forecast for Foxborough in 1/13: high of 31'F, feels like 22'F. Winds 12 mph gusts to 18 mph.

But will it slow down the Chargers' Pass Rush on Brady?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 07, 2019, 05:30:59 PM
Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser

Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2

Takes me down to 180.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 08, 2019, 10:18:34 PM
$80 on Patriots money line (whatever the line is when game starts)

They certainly are NOT to be grouped in any manner with the Baltimore Ravens.

Down to 100.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 09, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
Pats -200 right now

forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro, 

cold but dry

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 09, 2019, 01:53:18 PM
Brownies, Baker, Kitchens... IT JUST MAKES SENSE!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiMjcKbr-HfAhWMna0KHYzUBGcQzPwBegQIARAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nfl.com%2Fnews%2Fstory%2F0ap3000001009178%2Farticle%2Fbrowns-promote-freddie-kitchens-to-head-coach&psig=AOvVaw3HD28bm82MoRW8CpbTc871&ust=1547146294201341
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 09, 2019, 10:06:55 PM
Pats -200 right now

forecast for snow has diminshed in Foxboro, 

cold but dry

Shortest price of the 4 games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2019, 10:50:47 AM
Gonna go with a $50 4 team 6 point teaser

Colts +11.5
Cowboys +13
Pats +2
Saints -2

Takes me down to 180.

I always thought teasers were usually an expensive way to buy points

but at times you might find 2, 3 teams to finagle

good luck

leaning dogs (Colts +5 1/2, Boys +7) ) today 

need to go 5-2 (remaining games) to reach .500+ ATS for season

been chasing that bogey after a brutal start.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 12, 2019, 02:38:36 PM
31-28. Chiefs. Colts cover and over the total

27-21. Rams.  Cowboys cover and the under

No money. These are contest picks.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 12, 2019, 05:59:34 PM
I guess the good news is the Colts offense should be well-rested and ready to go in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 10:40:14 AM
Anyone else think Cowboys got a horrible spot on the play prior to Elliott being stufffed on 4th and 1?

They show the replay three times, clear as day that the catch is at the red line marker (no guarantee it is same as sticks, I realize).  But analysts say nothing.

Zebras then miss holding call on the last TD.

In Colts game you get the phantom running into the kicker.  I didnt see it - maybe he had no place to land?  Radio guys seemed to think no contact.  Did they explain it on the TV feed?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 13, 2019, 11:20:38 AM
I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 11:33:07 AM
Anyway......laying an egg thus far in playoffs

Composite yesterday was 2-4 (2 for winners, 0-4 for spread and O/U).  Overall is 9-9.  58% is what is considered solid. 

Need a 5-1 today (win, spread, O/U for each game)

Need a Patriots win to get the payroll to $220 from initial 300.  Chiefs late TD and the Colts WR drop late killed my parlay.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 11:33:19 AM
Didn't see it, I was channel surfing at that point, watching the Celts piss away another winnable game.

But i did see Colts/Luck dawdle at the line with one more chance to put up 7

my buddy who had them in a 3-team tease was pissed

spilled milk

0-2 yesteday

margin of error to beat a fairly flipped coin =0

need to run the table to end up over .500 ATS for the year

probability: slim/none

yet it confirms my long held belief that the only way to beat the house is extreme selectivity.

of 20 ATS players in my pool only 2 are over .500 (and the 52.4% breakeven)


talk that Gronk may call it a career when Pats wrap it up.

he looks broken

he's a great player and so much fun to watch

if today (whatever) is his last, I hope he has a  monster game

I think its a FG game, don't like that extra point, but I'm not betting against Pats

i think its going to be a low-scoring battle 23-(17-20)

heart over head

GO PATS

As of now I think NO wins but Philly covers

plenty of time to 2nd guess myself
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 12:38:15 PM
Just realized I didnt post today's actual scores

24-21 Pats (under and Chargers cover)
34-24 Saints (over and Saints cover)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 01:15:46 PM
I have the spreads as

-4.5/47.5 in Pats game
-8.5/51 for Saints
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 01:16:23 PM
Pats going back to White, as I said they should
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 01:40:40 PM
Jules is a baller

shaping up as the anticipated DEEEFENSIVE struggle

49-48

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 02:13:07 PM
Pats O-line w/Gronk destroying Chargers
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 13, 2019, 02:34:45 PM
I think I could be perfect this week





0 and EIGHT.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 04:50:36 PM
that was an ass kicking.

over in the 1st half

KC opens as 3 pt favorite next week
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 08:24:16 PM
Saints open at -3 1/2
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2019, 08:27:55 PM
0-2 yesterday

2-0 today

the dream of .500 remains alive!

125-127  .496

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 14, 2019, 01:57:33 AM
I thought the in the grasp call on Prescot was hilarious, since he was actually in the grasp of La'el Collins.
it was crazy but then what Collins was doing was illegal as one can not hold up a player on your team and attempt to move him so that might have been called or mot
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 14, 2019, 01:30:56 PM
End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser  Luck screwed me
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 14, 2019, 01:45:22 PM
End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser  Luck screwed me
Maybe it was skill and knowledge. Losers blame bad luck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2019, 09:37:19 AM
End up hitting 3/4 of the teaser  Luck screwed me

You'll get 'em next time.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2019, 10:56:05 AM
Should have just gone 4 team moneyline parlay.  Had it cold.  :)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2019, 01:21:27 PM
I have every confidence you'll get 'em next time

you should probably down down
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2019, 05:51:12 PM
Its just a model.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2019, 06:34:01 PM
of your own making?

can you provide the model, or list what variables the model requires?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 15, 2019, 10:54:07 PM
Money coming in heavy on Chiefs......
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2019, 09:33:42 AM
I haven't seen the line move off KC -3, and money line is about the same kc -145 to -155

but o/u has come down (58-54 1/2) I'm assuming it reflects weather report of arctic conditions


 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2019, 08:27:51 AM
KC big in this game.....

Having a  tough time with the NFC pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 17, 2019, 02:04:13 PM
Gladys Knight to perform the national anthem. I hopee she will arrive via Amtrak, preferably on one of their late departures.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 17, 2019, 02:16:29 PM
Any Pips?  I don't imagine too many of them are remaining. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 17, 2019, 02:19:28 PM
KC and NO

Moneyline and spread..

Likely will just play Moneyline parlay for 100
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 17, 2019, 02:20:24 PM
Any Pips?  I don't imagine too many of them are remaining.
Pipless, I believe.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 09:48:24 AM
No Pips?

Damn, The Pips doing ther dance moves to the National anthem would be must see TV.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
What's the over/under in a Pat's cheating scandal coming out before pitchers and catchers report for ST?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 02:08:10 PM
one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats

Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.

But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 03:52:33 PM
troll

you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.

It might also help with your silly obssessions.

all the best with conquering your demons

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 18, 2019, 04:37:48 PM
Chiefs -3 now -120 most places
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 04:57:48 PM
probably bettors feeling better about the (milder) weather in KC?

i wonder if we'll see a move to 3 1/2.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 05:31:16 PM
troll

you should probably drink more, it mght help take your mind off your deep seeded, but wholly deserved feelings of inferiority.

It might also help with your silly obssessions.

all the best with conquering your demons

You GFY, instead of the neighbors' goat, douchebag.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2019, 07:05:24 PM
sad troll he never has anything of value to add

and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades

boo-hoo
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 08:49:06 PM
sad troll he never has anything of value to add

and only reinforces those gnawing feelings of inferiority that he's had for decades

boo-hoo

Poor banks. He eagerly projects his inadequacies on others daily.

Sad.

But predictable.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 18, 2019, 11:18:30 PM
one less than the number of your inferiority driven posts about the Pats

Dude, you ought to drink less. It may enlighten you to reality.

But then again, your history of denial, obfuscation, and dishonesty is quite extensive, if not legendary.

That's DimBulbWard.

Please keep your antagonism straight!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2019, 11:29:47 AM
Liking like my pick will be 28-24 Chiefs.

Still working on Saints game.  Despite their recent proclivity to play under the number I think that one is a shootout.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 19, 2019, 11:59:09 AM
I will go with 38-30 New Orleans for now
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 12:46:32 PM
Ok....

Bankroll is 220 from 300

Picks today

Parlay KC -3 with New Orleans -3. $40
New Orleans-LA over 57.....$44

May find something else
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 02:49:00 PM


Look for a bizarre and wrong call in the game that favors NE.
As predicted. Same shit, different game.


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 03:04:57 PM
went with LA +3 1/2 Pats +3 in my  ATS contest

like the hook LA is getting and don't get many chances to get Pat points

got a couple of friendly wagers on the Pats at +3 and a slightly less friendly ML play at +150

going with Dog Day

ATTICA!

ATTICA!

NO 31

LA 28

Pats  27

KC 23

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 03:40:05 PM
Rams playing like they're happy to be there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 03:57:48 PM
Rams playing like they're happy to be there.

Time to just put Hekker in at QB?

(No, not exactly serious.)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 05:24:53 PM
Cmon, ZEBRA!

Fuckin easy call.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 05:47:55 PM
I fear Rams gonna regret not going for it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 05:57:07 PM
Next bet

Chiefs -2.5 first half  72 to win 60

64 left....... looking at prop plays
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 05:59:21 PM
Holy crap
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 06:00:33 PM
This is the worst I have ever seen

Good finish coming
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 06:09:51 PM
That was an amazingly bad non-call on the pass interference by the Rams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 06:13:50 PM
Last bet

$20 on a Gronk TD at 3-1

Balance - $44
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 06:24:27 PM
They still didnt change that first team TD rule?

Sad.

Not yet.

Not a factor this time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 06:36:47 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 06:40:45 PM
Brr... 19* in KC right now, but wind chill makes it 6*.

OTOH, it won't get much, if any, cooler during the game and they have no snow on the field.

The Tube says feels like 5*.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 20, 2019, 06:41:58 PM
Normally I take the view that bad calls and missed calls happen. Your job is to overcome them, not bitch about them, and do. ot attach sig III ancestors to any one of them, no matter when in the game they happen.  But man, that call sucked.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on January 20, 2019, 06:50:55 PM
Rams continue to have nice play-calling.
That early fake punt from around their own 30 was ballsy.
I thought Saints mostly outplayed the Rams, but ...

So Tom Brady v. a rook.
Gee, tough to call ...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 20, 2019, 06:56:22 PM
I was going for "do not attach significance" but Samsung had other ideas.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 07:04:25 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 20, 2019, 07:24:43 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.
Jesus
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 07:29:36 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.

I agree.

[/quoteJesus.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 07:56:03 PM
brutal no PI call for Saints

refs kinda sucked in that game

I think this will be the call that leads to REPLAYING unflagged plays.

I agree.

[/quoteJesus.

Lets hope not.

holding, D and O, can be called on just about every play.

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 07:56:48 PM
excepting that fucking pick, the Pats played a beautiful 1st half.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 20, 2019, 07:58:08 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 08:01:46 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.

First half.

He was last time, too.

Second half may be different.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 08:02:43 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.

that was the hope, but he looked bad in the first half they played earlier this year, annd had a pretty good 2nd half, and almost beat the pats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 08:56:06 PM
Mahomes is easy-pickins for Belichick.

First half.

He was last time, too.

Second half may be different.

Reid did him no favors.

SCREEN on 3rd and 9 is the call 95% of coaches make with the young QB

Could have gone in down 7-3.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 08:57:21 PM
A SIRRIUS analyst said, I like the Chiefs but never diiscount that Reid could totally choke if he gets behind.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
I could not believe that play got called.

Can the Pats defense rise to the occasion?!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:17:38 PM
So far, refs favoring Pats
 As per usual.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:19:14 PM
Sad that NO loses on zebra error. Worst hit to that town since Katrina!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:20:08 PM
no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:20:33 PM
Brees got hit harder on the pick
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:21:02 PM
Roughing the passer bad call.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:24:31 PM
And now bad call number two, and lose TO

WEAK NFL FIX.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:30:11 PM
Phantom roughing the passer may have cost KC the game.


That's the way it goes sometimes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:37:20 PM
Van Noy tried to end Mahomes season

Punk.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:38:13 PM
Wow, pick play no call.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:39:03 PM
I would have to say the refereeing today for both games has been less than stellar.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:39:18 PM
Wow, pick play no call.

agree.....

rough rough day for men in stripes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:43:32 PM
Keep rushing 4, idiots
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:51:58 PM
KC defense took zero risks

Sick
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:52:28 PM
Stupid offside. Really really stupid.

Just about as stupid how do you not double Gronk on the outside on that play. About as fucking obvious as it gets, the guy upstairs saw it, I saw it. You sell your safety over there immediately. What the flying fuck? LOL.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 09:55:48 PM
Set up for a Bears like miss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 09:56:52 PM
Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.

Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.

Scam.

Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:57:19 PM
Kick it now.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 09:59:31 PM
OT.

Alright!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:01:09 PM
Free football - but KC aint winnin

I complete my 0-12 for the last 2 weeks.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:01:53 PM
Refs force ot in both games.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
KC D had their shot.  Played soft.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:05:09 PM
They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!

But it's been almost four hours!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:08:33 PM
Rush 5 - near sack

Next play rush 4
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:09:59 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:10:12 PM
Again

FOUR
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:12:11 PM
And again

FOUR
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:13:30 PM
My last NFL game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:14:43 PM
Horseshit rule.. No reason Chiefs dont get the ball.  Said it every year.

But they deserve the loss
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:14:49 PM
Fix in. America knows. Refs gave this Game away.

Kc jobbed.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:15:59 PM
ATTICA!

nice Dog day

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:16:50 PM
Great game

that was a classic
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:17:42 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:20:04 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:22:57 PM
They still haven't changed the overtime touchdown rule?!

But it's been almost four hours!

This may be the game that gets that rule changed.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:23:25 PM
Great game

that was a classic

Really was a pretty good game. Reffing gaffs notwithstanding.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 20, 2019, 10:24:10 PM
The GOAT strikes again!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:26:25 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:27:28 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England

thanks-It was a very good day

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 10:29:09 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2019, 10:33:04 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

If he didn't get hurt or the injuries mount up. Like I said, Maybe, probably if he didn't get hurt.

He is amazing though.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:36:00 PM
I could imagine a rematch of those two teams again next year.

Mahomes did a fine job.

Now the Pats have to finish the job.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 20, 2019, 10:39:11 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816732-missed-call-spoils-rams-win-over-saints-further-destroys-nfls-credibility

NFL's credibility further destroyed by the missed call against the Rams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:39:26 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 10:40:31 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

You've missed a lot of football, then.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 20, 2019, 10:47:00 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 20, 2019, 10:51:52 PM
Nullified interception. Phantom offsides. 4 calls in the 4th period go their way.

Conincidence? No one outside New England thinks so.

Scam.

Thank God for baseball, where you actually have to win the game.
Phantom offside?  Helen Keller would have thrown a flag.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:57:28 PM
https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489 (https://twitter.com/KirkCousins8/status/1087190190907711489)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 20, 2019, 10:58:46 PM
My last NFL game
that's probably a very wise decision

Thanks

Good picks.

The league, for many reasons, is a joke

Nothing to do with New England
The joke, if there is one, is you.

heh

A jab from the peanut gallery

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 11:09:33 PM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.

You've missed a lot of football, then.

No, I've seen a lot of football and a lot of QBs, from Starr and Unitas to Staubach Elway Marino, Montana Favre Rodgers, etal and in my 60 years of watching and handicapping the game, if the goal is to win, then Brady is the guy I want under center. He is demonstrably the best ever.

YMMV

But in the years you've been whining and pissing your pants with your silly obssessions you've yet to put an articulate persusaive argument to the contray.

I would suggest as your head is so far up your ass, your vision is clouded.

SSDD

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 20, 2019, 11:30:04 PM
America knows. Pat's cheat. Fix in. No one is that lucky and gets all those noncalls and calls on the road, in the playoffs.

Edelman touched the kick. That "offsides" never gets called in a game of this magnitude, pass interference on Gronk pushing off, not called, and countless more .

If Starr, Unitas, Namath, Montana got as many calls in their careers, and got to play in an era where you get a penalty for grazing the QBs chest with your hand, they'd have never list a game.

Fake championship.

NFL has become WWF.

SAD.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 20, 2019, 11:48:18 PM
heh

yup BB, Brady and Pats have been lucky for almost 20 years.

And when luck wasn't enough they've cheated.

That certainly explains a level of sustained excellence that has never been achieved in the NFL.

As you've proven you can't articulate anything more than sour grapes, incessant whining, and idiotic rationales, perhaps you should just put your head back up your ass.

And when it securely wedged in there, eat shit loser.

bon appetite.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 21, 2019, 12:23:40 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on January 21, 2019, 12:49:34 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 09:31:15 AM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 21, 2019, 10:13:10 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.

Never saw Slingin' Sammy Baugh or Sid Luckman either. I just mentioned the guys I've seen play who I consider top echelon/ guys in the discussion.

From what I've read/seen/heard Graham's in the GOAT discussion.

But I don't think he's the GOAT.

It seems he usually ranked around top 5-10.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 21, 2019, 10:14:12 AM
Brady is a fucking machine.

he's the GOAT

he's amazing

He is amazing.

Can't call him the greatest of all time. New rules no touch QB.

Would he have been as good back in our day. Maybe, probably. Game was a lot tougher on QBs back then. I remember Montana getting wiped out by the Giants.

GOAT-I've never seen a better QB/field general than Brady. I seen better passers but never a better QB.
Only because you ne er.saw.Otto Graham.
Or Bobby Layne

I saw him play towards the end of his career.

No way he's GOAT.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 12:49:11 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 01:32:16 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 21, 2019, 01:57:25 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

or the team that does not possess the ball initially in OT could play sufficient defense to win the game, if they force a stop/ yield only a FG.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 21, 2019, 01:59:55 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 21, 2019, 02:02:53 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?
I once watched the Lions lose on the OT kick off. Tackle the guy with the ball.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 02:07:45 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.

Well apparently they could be sure. ;-)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt. 

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 03:19:06 PM
Interception called back, Edelman touched the kick, fix in.
Sad.

Pitchers and catchers report in just a few weeks.

Notoriously Fixed League.

I don't think he touched it but I can't be sure.

Seems like it would have been one of those 'the play stands' type of ruling because one couldn't be absolutely sure. But that's the way the ball bounces sometimes.

They had one angle which clearly showed the left hand did not touch it.

They had another angle which clearly showed the right hand did not touch it.

They have the ability to run those side by side in time step.

I don't understand why there is any doubt.
Trolling Pats fans.

The rules maven on the show made the same "can't be sure" claim during the game and I was befuddled at the time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 03:21:14 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 03:59:09 PM
https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/01/21/chiefs-mahomes-didnt-deserve-the-ball-he-deserved-a-better-defense/
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 05:32:57 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

I mean think about what you just said. To summarize it tilts to the second team. Well, that is because they got a shot. If you get the logic here.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 05:56:53 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.

The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.

1st = 0
2nd needs anything

1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.

1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.

That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)

(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)

It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.

If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.

But wait! There's more...

If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!

If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.

That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 06:15:07 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2816858-nfl-rumors-league-to-discuss-making-pass-interference-reviewable-at-length?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 21, 2019, 07:50:37 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.

The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.

1st = 0
2nd needs anything

1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.

1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.

That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)

(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)

It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.

If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.

But wait! There's more...

If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!

If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.

That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.

Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.

Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.

And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 21, 2019, 08:36:23 PM
I've been reflecting on my reaction to the "touchdown wins" rule.

It is very true that the Patriots have now twice used that rule to their advantage in the playoffs (plus once when it was just a field goal needed).

But in the game right before the team that had the ball first in the overtime lost, rather than winning.

It's not the coin flip that determined the winner, but the play of the teams after the coin flip, for all the the coin flip provides an advantage.

It's not a huge advantage. Contrary to the 55% figure usually cited, it's actually a hair below 52% --> 45/87. 42.5% of the time they lose.

But giving both sides a chance at the ball doesn't actually seem to make things even, again! It merely changes the result to be tilted toward the second team to get the ball, based on college stats.

I kind of like one of the proposals from the Quanbeck brothers, roughly equivalent to "I get to cut the cake, but you get first choice of which piece to take." One team would choose the field position to open overtime, while the other team chooses whether to play offense or defense from that spot.

So... of those 87 overtime games, how many were determined on a touchdown on the first sequence, anyway?

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.

Personally I like the way the NCAA handles their OTs. I would rather they start on their own 45 though and earn that FG attempt.

NCAA is where the proportion tilts to the 2nd possession - the team on defense first - wins as disproportionately as the first possesion touchdown wins in the NFL. And their sample size is huge, by comparison - over 500 games, I think.

What have you gained?

Fairness?

But it's not any more fair. It just changes which team has the balance tilted in their favor.

The first team's possession determines what the second team's goals minimum goal must be.

1st = 0
2nd needs anything

1st = 3
2nd needs 7 to win, but can settle for 3.

1st = 6 or 7,
2nd needs a TD.

That's why the imbalance in college is so worth noting. Fairness is not achieved:
(https://blog.minitab.com/hubfs/Imported_Blog_Media/winner_had_ball.jpg)

(2008-2013, a mere 156 overtime games)

It looks, however, as if there may be a bigger factor: when did the last team to score score during regulation.

If they scored less than two minutes before the end of regulation, there was no appreciable difference. If they scored more than two minutes before, they won 56% of the time.

But wait! There's more...

If they scored less than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they lost 59% of the time!

If they scored more than 30 seconds before the end of regulation, they won 58% of the time.

That sounds like a far bigger factor than who got the ball first, but I would love to see that broken down further. And I am curious how it extends to the NFL, not just the NCAA.

Nice stats. And I mean that good stuff, kudos on the research.

Once again, in the score a touchdown first system the second team never has a chance to put up stats. It goes to reason if they did the stats would be different. As to the College rules the Pro's don't necessarily have to follow the college model.

And the college rule flaw could easily be fixed. For instance no FG's allowed. Score a TD or nothing. Start in the Red Zone and have at it.

The "no field goals" approach is discussed a fair amount. It has some clear advantages in this day of dominant offenses. In the past, it would have meant more multi-overtime playoffs, I suspect, and more ties in the regular season, not that I object to those as much as some seem to.

As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 10:14:21 AM
Fair or perfectly fair?

In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.


All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.

and keep drinking.

or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 10:18:03 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)

Lasergate?

...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2019, 11:02:53 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)

Lasergate?

...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.


You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on January 22, 2019, 11:31:19 AM
As noted, I kind of like the "you choose the field position the ball starts from, I choose whether to play offense or defense from it" notion.

Too gimmicky for me.
That'd be fine in your backyard, but for the pros ...?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 11:54:33 AM
it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2019, 02:28:53 PM
it kind of reminded me of "Name that tune" a TV show WBW.

Just a little harder catch phrase.


Name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock.


I can name that Down and yardage to go and who gets the rock in one coin flip.



This may not catch on.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 22, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
Fair or perfectly fair?

In play-off only, play an additional 15 minute qtr, then revert to calling the other quarters, fifths, and then go drink.


All OT 15 minutes are played to the whistle, winner wins, if its a tie, then flip a coin, and play sudden death.

and keep drinking.

or keep it the way it is, and if a team's D can't prevent a TD, thems the breaks.

I would prefer they just played the whole 15 minutes (lather, rinse, repeat as necessary), but apparently the TV executives NFL felt that the games would run too long risk of injury would be too high, which is why the TV folks NFL shortened the regular season OT to 10 minutes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 22, 2019, 06:15:39 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/01/21/did-fan-arrowhead-stadium-point-laser-tom-brady/9JJp7P83vUkd0jWdkDOT0I/story.html)

Lasergate?

...that a fan at Arrowhead Stadium appeared to flash a laser on the Patriots quarterback on two occasions in the AFC Championship game, caught on camera by KMBC-TV in Kansas City, Mo.


You have to be a special kind of total loser to want your team to win so bad that you'd do that.
Hammy was at the game
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 12:18:02 PM

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.


No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 12:31:45 PM

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.


No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...

(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 03:02:48 PM

I understand your position.

I would rather both sides get to have an offensive series. Just seems the American way to me.


No, the American way is to pay off the refs, which apparently is what happened in this game. Roughing the passer, catches that aren't catches to keep drives alive...

(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)

https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady (https://thespun.com/football/referees-call-embarrassing-roughing-the-passer-penalty-on-tom-brady)


The Patriots benefitted from a phantom roughing the passer call against Brady on 2nd and 7 on the New England 28-yard line.

https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights (https://www.boston.com/sports/new-england-patriots/2019/01/21/patriots-recap-referees-calls-highlights)

Hogan still hasn't made that "catch", btw, unless the ground is allowed to help secure the ball, when you wear a certain uniform.

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ---Friedrich Nietzsche
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 03:20:44 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 03:29:53 PM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 23, 2019, 03:35:03 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on January 23, 2019, 03:49:21 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 23, 2019, 06:31:35 PM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   
Since I could and did ignore him back then, did he credit crooked refs for the result of last year's Super Bowl?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 23, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   

He only thinks it is fixed for the Patriots.

And he only thinks that when they win.

IOW, his opinion is based solely on his trolling, as already noted by the lovely illustration.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2019, 09:56:23 PM
Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)


4 incomplete passes

a fumble recovered by the Pats overturned by a phantom D-holding call

a 25 yard really iffy DPI call

a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)

a 2 yd TD run

the Chiefs were gifted a TD

so spare me this BS that the Pats were the sole beneficiary of calls.

the better team won in KC.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 10:04:24 PM
Wouldn't one have to watch the game to see all that?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2019, 10:13:15 PM
yup

I was just presenting a fact-based contra-take to the troll's cut and paste hot takz.

I don't think the troll watched the game.

As it seems his hot takz always seems the same, the Pats cheated, the game was fixed,
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 10:16:54 PM
I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2019, 10:25:04 PM
I assume he was off somewhere reading Nietzsche.

or doing a deep dive on Jamie Moyer's stats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 10:56:57 PM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.

You can do the research yourself.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 10:59:41 PM
I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.

SSDD.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 01:17:51 AM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.

You can do the research yourself.

I did, fool.

You did not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 08:59:30 AM
Note "Goodreads" fails to provide a source for that quote. Like Einstein's supposed quote about the fourth World War, that "quote" is from none of Nietzsche's published or unpublished works.  In other words, he never said it.  Nice try, though.  Maybe you can try and play your "intellectual card" elsewhere?   

But more to the point, if you think football is fixed and the refs are paid off why do you continue to watch and bore everyone here this time every year?   

Exactly right. There is no 'fix'. It's just poor refereeing. People make mistakes and nodody is perfect. 


But give the devil his due, that even though Nietzsche never said that I have to admit it's a snappy little ditty.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 09:04:43 AM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.
Doesn't sound
like something Ray Nietzche would say

He may have said, 'Sometimes people don't hear the snap count and get their quarterback destroyed.'
 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 09:08:48 AM
Fun facts on the Chiefs last TD drive (that took them to a 28-24 lead with 2 minutes left)


...

a 40 yard gain on an obvious pick play that everyone, including an incredulous Romo, saw, but it escaped the refs attention (BB smashed his tablet on this play)



...

I know I saw it.

Bill needs to control himself btw. That's probably gonna come out of his pay.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 09:18:05 AM
One such illusion is that Nietzsche actually said that.  Thanks for the "quote" though!!!!

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they (https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/12799-sometimes-people-don-t-want-to-hear-the-truth-because-they)

Goodreads?! Good gods!

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr

No, Nietzsche didn't say it. You can look it up in his works, yourself.

You can do the research yourself.

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr
 (https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/47732/did-nietzsche-actually-say-or-write-sometimes-people-dont-want-to-hear-the-tr)


The quote, "Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed" is, at least on the Internet, often attributed to Nietzsche, e.g., goodreads, Simple Reminders, IHeartIntelligence, and all over Pinterest.

However, I cannot find any evidence for the attribution in Complete Works of Friedrich Nietzsche (Delphi Classics) or using Advanced Search on Google Books, with the search parameters, "Find results with all of the words" and "inauthor:Nietzsche" {search results}.

In addition, both QuoteFail and Wikiquotes question the attribution.

Nietzsche did write, "For the historical audit brings so much to light which is false and absurd, violent and inhuman, that the condition of pious illusion falls to pieces." 1

In the same essay he wrote, "... 'he who destroys illusions in himself and others is punished by the ultimate tyrant, Nature.'" 2

As far as I can tell, QuoteFail has it right: "This quote appears to have been created within the Tumblr-verse."


The funniest part about the page is this:

I'd be interested in knowing the source of this quote/idea as well. As Dakdeer suggests (I think), it is probably a fairly universal idea that has been espoused by a number of people. The most familiar is Jack Nicholson growling "You can't handle the truth!" – David Blomstrom Dec 10 '17 at 16:40


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 24, 2019, 10:16:48 AM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 10:46:57 AM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"

Maybe, maybe not.

But as you can see Nietzsche never actually said that. At best it might be a loose interpreted extrapolation of some of his writings.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 24, 2019, 12:34:34 PM
Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2019, 01:12:32 PM
boz

i recall shortly after Clemson disemboweled the Sons of Bear Bryant, in the Student-Athlete Football championship, I had a brief conversation with your buddy Deej. who initially insisted the game was closer than the blowout it was. (a 28 pt win), and he cherry picked some stats which were quickly and easily debunked and the debate was for all intents and purposes over. Clemson kicked their ass, no ifs and or buts, whether it was really a 21 point win or a 35 point win. There was Bear carcass  all over Santa Clara.

Having said that I would argue that anyone watching the AFC championship OT game could successfully argue based on the voluminous game stats that the game was not as close as the scoreboard indicated.

Pats pitched a 14-0 shutout in the 1st half and it could have and should have been worse.

The 2nd half was closer and was marred by some calls/non-calls, and a fucking gift TD that briefly gave a led to the Chiefs, but justice prevailed and the better team won.

And the game stats, clearly showed that domination.

Below is a link to the game stats, they're worth a look.

they pretty much spell out how dominant the pats were, but also the expensive cost of turnovers.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/matchup?gameId=401038850)


Troll's sad story is always the same, the Pats cheated/the game was fixed.

he appears to be the only one who can't handle the truth.

SSDD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 24, 2019, 03:41:41 PM
Having been required to read about 80% of everything Nietzsche said in undergrad, there is one thing I am positive he said that I find directly relevant today: "You are boring the shit out of me. Stop feeding the fucking troll." That is from, if I recall correctly, Human All to Human, the Walter Kauffman translation.

I've often wondered why you seemed to disdain anyone else that mentioned Nietzsche. Your above post is most enlightening. And being most learned as you are in everything Friedrich the following should be relevant to your post.

The advantages of psychological observation. That meditating on things human, all too human (or, as the learned phrase goes, “psychological observation”) is one of the means by which man can ease life’s burden; that by exercising this art, one can secure presence of mind in difficult situations and entertainment amid boring surroundings; indeed, that from the thorniest and unhappiest phases of one’s own life one can pluck maxims and feel a bit better thereby.

;-)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 10:18:19 PM
I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.

SSDD.

Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years.

And yes, Utley, "maligned" is exactly the right term: "spoken about in a spitefully critical manner"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 10:21:08 PM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"

Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.

We are growing!

Welcome to Yank and you!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
Correct. The Boston Cartel "can't handle the truth!"

Captain Cargo, another member of the "Boston Cartel," now.

We are growing!

Welcome to Yank and you!

I really don't care but we're not so much a cartel as a social club.

as long as yank and cap pass the initiation process, post the bond, pay the annual dues and buy the 1st round, welcome to the cartel.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 25, 2019, 01:32:54 PM
Smart kid proves what the Boston Cartel continues to deny.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/10-year-old-kid-won-science-fair-proving-tom-brady-cheater-184439991.html)

Winning!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2019, 02:50:03 PM
thats some compelling scientific evidence.

his mom and sis can't throw a football.

Although to be fair to the young lad, the Bible passes for a science text book in Kentucky.


heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 25, 2019, 02:55:29 PM
You know, I saw that article this morning and I thought, how long before ham trolls with it. All I can say is, what took him so long? He is slipping.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 25, 2019, 02:57:20 PM
Nietzsche has told him to slow down.  "Measure twice, cut once," I believe is how Freddie put it. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 25, 2019, 05:23:05 PM
I see the Boston Cartel has rushed in here to continue the lies and protect the "legacy" of the most morally maligned franchise in NFL history.

SSDD.

... Yeah, that Yankguy! Sure has been great having him as part of the Boston Cartel all these years. ...



LOL.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on January 27, 2019, 12:45:49 PM
From Seth Wickersham's ESPN article on the Browns

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25797430/inside-cleveland-browns-front-office-where-hope-history-collide)

boz take a ganer, and as the Browns have seemingly turned a corner, maybe not as painful, plus its pretty funny.

. The Browns now were breaking the rules and losing, leading to even more public mocking. The outside anger was felt inside the building. Marketing executives wanted employees to see how fans were engaging with the Browns on social media, so they projected the Browns feed onto a giant wall at the facility. It was like broadcasting talk radio over the entire building, and one day in particular, it was worse than that. One of the marketing staffers entered a search for #dp -- for Dawg Pound. The problem was, that hashtag carried a few different meanings, one of which triggered an array of porn to be broadcast onto a wall for the entire office to see for more than 20 minutes, until a tech employee killed the feed.

20 minutes of of Omar Viz and Roberto Alomar turning two?

#DP
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2019, 12:09:04 PM
#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2

6-4 ATS in the post-season

sitting at exactly .500 for season.

the coin-flip analogy proves itself.

legalized gambling-be careful out there

GO PATS
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 02, 2019, 01:18:44 PM
I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 02, 2019, 03:27:26 PM
#s been sticky at Pats -2 1/2

6-4 ATS in the post-season

sitting at exactly .500 for season.

the coin-flip analogy proves itself.

legalized gambling-be careful out there

GO PATS

The folks who got to take the Pats at the original numbers, when they were not favorites to win, have to be pretty happy, as pre-game happiness goes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2019, 03:44:42 PM
I'm thinking the Pats by 10. So I'd take those points.

thats the way I'm handicapping the game.

I may be taking the Rams a little too lightly (hope the Pats aren't) but barring new info or one more strong cup of coffee, I'm thinking 34-23 Pats.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 02, 2019, 04:12:16 PM
I could be wrong. The Pats may win by more than ten.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 03, 2019, 06:46:47 PM
Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 03, 2019, 07:47:47 PM
Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 03, 2019, 07:56:34 PM
 The fix is in!!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 07:59:57 PM
that wasn't what I was expecting.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
The fix is in!!!!

Poor Utley/Ham.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 08:10:14 PM
that wasn't what I was expecting.

Really?!

Huh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 10:06:24 PM
#6 for the Patriots and for Brady!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 10:07:33 PM
this doesn't get old

sadly I do
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 10:08:40 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 03, 2019, 10:28:55 PM
Adam Levine was the clear MVP tonight.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2019, 10:34:02 PM
Congratulations, New Englanders.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2019, 11:06:30 PM
thanks kid

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 03, 2019, 11:31:46 PM
Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true

Sad.

On to baseball. At last!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 11:56:00 PM
Results keep coming until. Worst, and most boring SB of all time!

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/super-bowl/8496227/2019-super-bowl-nfl-commercial?__twitter_impression=true

Sad.

On to baseball. At last!

So predictable.

Congratulations, Utley, on not claiming the fix was in. Must have been tough to resist, but the Rams made it hard to claim they would have won without the refs' interference!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 03, 2019, 11:58:38 PM
The St. Louis Dispatch cares passionately about the Super Bowl:

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/

Well... okay, not much.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 12:03:37 AM
McVay says he was outcoached.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 04, 2019, 12:22:21 AM
Such a nothing bowl.  Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win.  Is everyone bored?

Saints should've been here. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 12:23:44 AM
Such a nothing bowl.  Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win.  Is everyone bored?

Saints should've been here.

The Saints should have been there.

The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 01:25:35 AM
"The Greatest No Show on Turf"

A line a read in comments somewhere.

Really liked it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 08:43:39 AM
A Complete Disaster of a Super Bowl:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/super-bowl-liii-complete-disaster-050153485.html)

The Suffer Bowl.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
heh

the troll is a urinal half-filled type troll.

the other half dribbled down his leg.

sounds like he had the Rams, the over, a couple of shitty boxes, and some day-old guacamole.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 04, 2019, 09:38:07 AM
Vegas survives.......barely

Gets hit hard on prop bets of Edelman MVP and zero touchdowns first half.  But wins on props overall.

Had no td been scored all game that would have been quite bad.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 04, 2019, 09:39:43 AM
Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1.  Someone bet 250 on it

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 09:55:10 AM
Man how I hate the new pussy rules.
It’s not a new rule.

Anyone with a brain could understand the point I was making. No wait, sorry, I forgot your handicap.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 09:56:35 AM
Rams to score exactly 3 points was 400-1.  Someone bet 250 on it

I imagine he was paying close attention to that wide-left FG attempt at the buzzer

read the mysterious Bettor X gave back a big chunk of last years winnings with ML wagers on the Rams
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 09:57:09 AM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 09:59:55 AM
McVay says he was outcoached.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/02/03/sean-mcvay-reacts-super-bowl-loss-los-angeles-rams-new-england-patriots?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=themmqb&utm_medium=social


Give Belichick two weeks to prepare and you will have a tough row to hoe playing him.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 10:00:57 AM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 10:02:29 AM
Such a nothing bowl.  Such a blah game. Blah reaction to the win.  Is everyone bored?

Saints should've been here.

The Saints should have been there.

The Commish had a rule that he could have used, requiring replay of the game from the botched call on. He chose not to use it.

One thing is for sure the folks calling for the game to be played the following day have never played the game of football. I remember not hardly being able to walk, let alone play, a game the next day.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 10:37:36 AM
According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.

 Nice "win".

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 04, 2019, 10:58:22 AM
Only in the points allowed department did I think the Rams defense was "all that".  They gave up a lot of yards and frequently had a tough time getting off the field. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 11:12:26 AM
They did enough to keep Brady etal out of the red-zone for 3 qtrs and settle for FG 3 times (one miss) .

IMO there was a lot of good defense played and coached last night.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 11:43:32 AM
Pats punt-team also played an awesome game. Allen's spin and Slater's coverage pinned the Rams and gave then continual tough field position in a field position type game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 04, 2019, 11:52:24 AM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 12:01:15 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.

thanks for the congrats, boz, sorry you weren't entertained, I didn't think it was either dull or crappy.

IMO it was a tense 1-score low-scoring defensive dominated game going into the 4th quarter, and in some respects was evocative of SB42.

YMMV

and if you're in the neighborhood around 6pm tonight I'm buying.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 02:16:42 PM
America thought it was dull and crappy. Lowest tv ratings in a decade.

Pats not good for national ratings.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 03:21:36 PM
America wanted to watch a pinball game

instead they got a defensive football game dominated by line play. 

btw whether you thought the O-lines or D-lines dominated, the best line of the night was by Peyton Manning in the opening

"I don't get my mail at the SuperBowl, like Tom Brady..."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2019, 03:21:46 PM
According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.

 Nice "win".

Heh

I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 04, 2019, 03:49:03 PM
According to objective observers, this was a game the Rams gave away.

 Nice "win".

Heh

I object to that conclusion from those objective observers.
I suspect ham's objective observers are like Trump's anonymous validators: hypothetical and entirely notional.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 04, 2019, 04:05:35 PM
I spoke to a guy in California. He said it was boring.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 04:07:39 PM
I liked the N.O. newspaper's take:
(https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/00/27/50/16874010/3/920x920.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 04:55:21 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".

He got it right.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on February 04, 2019, 06:10:54 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.
Exactly!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 04, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
Defense was great? More like QBs played like crap. And why why did Edelman get MVP? Because it was time to give it to a Jew?

Weakest SB ever.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 04, 2019, 07:06:51 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 07:17:18 PM
How is a 1-score defensive war "unwatchable"?

Maybe it is for fools and pink-hats who need a 49-48 game to go with the chardonay, chicken wings, and 7-layer dip and aren't really invested in the game.

Pats spoiled America with a string of very exciting high scoring SuperBowls over the years.

Yesterday's game was less star wars and more trench wars.

And for those who liked a game with more D, less flags and a let them play physical game, it was very watchable. 

And as posted earlier there was a similiarity to SB42, a game which was 7-3 as the 4th Qtr started,  and which some observers think is among the best SBs of all-time.

Would anyone here call that game unwatchable?

But i don't expect analytical insight from a troll.

He insists on going on 4th and forever in his attempt to diminsh the Pats latest unwatcable championship.

and as usual he comes up way short of the chains. 

SSDD

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 07:21:43 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.

No it proves the voters picked a guy who had a visibly great game with stats. If Gilmore had another pick, he would have won it, mostly as a proxy for the Pats defense, which really won the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2019, 08:23:54 PM
Nooooooooo!!!!

This is just COLD...

https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667 (https://twitter.com/Mike_Dyer13/status/1092265205684465667)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 09:30:11 PM
I have no opinion about a game/event I have not watched since Reagan was in the White House.
But if Banks says it was a great game, it was a great game.
Anybody who can claim a football game that went into OT "wasn't even close" has rare insights
Into the game of football that no mere mortal could possess.

Deej

I didn't say the SB just played was a great game, but rather it was a close defensive battle that had me engaged from opening kick to final whistle.

Some called it unwatchable, and with that I disagreed, In fact I'm watching it again as we speak.

I found the game refreshing from the all offense all the time games that have become so prevalnet in the NFL.

The game was very much a throwback to a style of football played 20+ years ago.

And if you could refresh my memory which OT game, did I say wasn't even close and which SEC institution of higher learning did I unfairly malign? 

I'm going back to the game.

Gotta see how it turns out.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 09:43:58 PM
What I want to know is where this defense was in last year's Super Bowl!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 09:59:48 PM
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".


Truer words have never been spoke.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 10:00:16 PM
The "unwatchables" are just spewing out their sour grapes, nothing a little mouthwash won't cure.
The OT game was the pro championship game, not a college game.
You maligned my opinion about the Bama game saying I "Cherry-picked my stats" when all I
Did was post some stats readily available.
Our difference is nothing more than what constitutes an "ass-kicking".
Many like to throw that expression around to show their glee that a comeuppance has occurred.
Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

Jeebus Deej are you still sore that Bama got their ass kicked?

They did.

and i wasn't gleeful about it, I was happy as I had Clemson and points, but the wager wasn't large enough for gleeful.

i just posted about what I saw. 

And my team has been on the short-end of some unexpected defensive struggles in the SB. and you're right no one said those games were unwatchable.

Still don;t know what OT game you're refering to, or the comment. I usually remember shit I post.

Peace Deej

Going into 4Q in the SB

its a nail-biter at 3-3
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 04, 2019, 10:01:08 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2819190-signature-win-for-bill-belichick-shows-whos-really-at-the-heart-of-pats-dynasty?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

This would make more sense to me had last year's Super Bowl been different. And it still makes more than a little sense - though if all that were true, where was the genius when Drew Bledsoe was his QB?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2019, 11:09:19 PM
Deej

I'm sorry if that post upset you, but if you'd point out anything that was incorrect or misleading in my post please do.


and having just watched SB 53 again, it was eminently watchable.

If you liked football,


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2019, 02:10:12 AM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 05, 2019, 03:01:24 AM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.


Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".


And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.

Maroon V would still have sucked.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 05, 2019, 08:19:55 AM
Kam's just in a funk. He's lost and wondered over here looking for his pet unicorn which has gone missing.

Best of luck son, and in the meantime, here's a longform article written by ESPN.com's lead football analyst, Bill Barnwell, (used to write for the old Grantland) about the game.

It might help explain the nature of game to a novice fan who was more invested in the guacamole than watching a defensive slugfest.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25921740/super-bowl-liii-was-greatest-defensive-performance-history-here-how-patriots-did-rams)

At the end of a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love, it really shouldn't have been a surprise that Bill Belichick was the one standing triumphant.

Last year, Tom Brady produced what was arguably the greatest single performance in Super Bowl history, only for Belichick's defense to get run over by Eagles backup Nick Foles. On Sunday, with Brady struggling en route to his worst passing performance in a title game, Belichick's defense saved the day. The Patriots delivered Belichick's masterpiece in their 13-3 win over the Rams.

What we saw from the Patriots on Sunday night was the best defensive performance we have ever seen in a Super Bowl.


and good luck finding your unicorn.



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 05, 2019, 09:49:54 AM
Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)

Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 05, 2019, 10:11:40 AM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.

That's a big "if"!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 05, 2019, 10:20:16 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/super-bowl-ratings-hit-10-145115715.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 05, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
Seems to me we should be more appreciative of this particular Pats SB win - its first since 2004 that wasnt HANDED to them (unless you count the phantom call 2 weeks back of the Chiefs roughing the passer and thus dont consider this legit either)

Rams were beat.
Seattle and Atlanta handed games to NE.

I'm not sure why people comtinue to underestimate coaching, preparation, situational football, and execution in the game. 

But having said that you should probably watch the Seattle game (SB49) again. The Pats controlled the first half, got outplayed in the 3rd qtr and dominated the 4th gtr.

The Pats won a game they mostly (75%) dominated on the field.

SB 51 was weird and there was seemingly no way the Pats should have escaped the 28-3 handcuffs they were in mid-way through the 3rd qtr, but they kept on playing and won the war.

To suggest they were handed that win is ridiculous.

it was passed to them.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:35:50 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".




Like his stuff.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:39:34 PM
not the prettiest win I've seen but the D , both sides was dominant

What a great game. I was like a pig in mud watching all that great defense. It's too bad one of those defenses had to lose.

I had the same reaction. It really was the closeest thing we had to "old" school physical defense dominated football in awhile. The game really was trench warfare.

and for the most parts the refs let them play.
Your team won (Congratulations) but that does not change the fact that it was a dull, crappy game.
And the MVP was an offensive player proving, once again, without an offense a team can’t win.

Actually it just proves the biased mentality of the people giving it. And why the NFL has done its level best to legislate defense out of the game.

Great defenses are still finding ways to fart to the rulesmakers face. The best defense one.

Lovin it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:55:03 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 01:58:05 PM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.

LOL. Now that's smack.


BTW, I liked the game. Hated the results, but liked the game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 05, 2019, 02:39:55 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way.  Nobody disagrees with their own id.

I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 05, 2019, 04:37:35 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".




Like his stuff.

Maroon 5 took too much of a hit

Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel..  Now go suck an egg.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 07:00:54 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way.  Nobody disagrees with their own id.

I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzFCnHc8KU0


BTW no pooch in the hunt for me either.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2019, 07:02:19 PM
It was the Maroon 5 of Super Bowls.

Mad Dog called it "atrocious," , a "complete bore", and "unwatchable".




Like his stuff.

Maroon 5 took too much of a hit

Yeah, it aint fucking rap - and he didnt kneel..  Now go suck an egg.

See the post above.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 05, 2019, 07:27:39 PM
Classy Boston fans:

https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp (https://deadspin.com/there-was-a-big-ol-brawl-between-patriots-fans-at-their-1832367310/amp)

Well, so far cops haven't killed anyone who is "celebrating".

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 05, 2019, 07:29:03 PM

Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".
Peace and Prosperity, Banks!

A sage observance.
Of course you feel that way.  Nobody disagrees with their own id.

I had no dog in the hunt. It was about as watchable as MSU beating Rutgers 14 - 10. Which is to say, not at all unless you know one of the players personally.

To the best of my recollection, I've seen every SB played, even "wide-right" from a hospital bed in New Hampshire (ski accident-collapsed lung-heavily medicated).

From reollection, there were a lot dog games in the first 20-25 years, and its only been the past 20 years where the games generally have been close/fun to watch. But having said that, of the recent vintage, mostly pretty entertaining, perhaps the worst was the Seahawks thrashing of the Bronco's 43-8, (SB 50). There was nothing redeeming, nor watchable  in that game. But i watched.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2019, 10:25:41 PM
The whole world hated the game except New england fans.

Should tell something to the New england fans.

If they have frontal lobes.


Had your team been on the short end of a defensive 13-3 game, I can assure you no one would have uttered the word "Unwatchable".


And folks like you would be talking about how wonderful the game was, Kam.

Maroon V would still have sucked.

If Patriots had lost 13-3 i'd still say it was a boring game.

Quote
Maroon V would still have sucked.
Duh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2019, 10:27:58 PM
f a dour Super Bowl in Atlanta only a mother could love


Agreed
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 06, 2019, 11:10:21 AM
Pats name former Rutgers HC, tOSU DC, and Belichick buddy Greg Schiano as new DC, filling the vacancy left by the Miami-bound Brian Flores.

tough act to folllow
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 06, 2019, 07:14:15 PM
Flores had his one shining moment.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 07, 2019, 02:16:06 PM
Flores had his one shining moment.

And he got a five year contract out of it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 10, 2019, 04:23:06 PM
https://news.avclub.com/bob-costas-confirms-he-got-fired-from-the-super-bowl-fo-1832491818?rev=1549736308898&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=Facebook&utm_campaign=SF&utm_content=Main

Costas was fired from last year's Super Bowl broadcast team for being honest prior to it about football and conscussions.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 12, 2019, 03:45:53 PM
For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 12, 2019, 07:04:04 PM
For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.

And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 13, 2019, 09:51:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdZ-_vfFLA&feature=youtu.be)

Number one wouldn't have happened in the wimpy NFL. Who by the way I hear is considering changing their initials to NPL.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 13, 2019, 10:04:18 AM
For the record I do not understand and cannot defend the Hunt pick up on moral or football terms. I get Dorsey has a pre existing relationship with Hunt, but RB is a position we are pretty set at. And while we do have to work out identifying the point where a player gets to restart his career after something like that, but I do not think the point is nkw.

And Cleveland? That was the city in which his incidents all occurred. Somehow this seems like a less than clever move, even without the other rather copious reasons.
Also for the record: Karim Hunt has a job. Colin Kaepernick does not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 13, 2019, 10:42:47 AM
Doesn't Hunt still face a possible suspension for part/all of the upcoming season?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 15, 2019, 06:22:49 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)

Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.

Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?

In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 15, 2019, 09:33:38 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/sources-colin-kaepernick-withdraws-collusion-case-nfl-190149703.html)

Two things. NFL likely was afraid of discovery, if the case moved forward. Kaepernick had his price.

Can't imagine Ghandi or MLK settling for cash, can you?

In the end, there was more Tawana Brawley than Rose Parks reflected in those knelt-downs of his.

We can't all be the stalwart defenders of civil rights that you are.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 07:18:33 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 07:25:48 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 07:45:32 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.

That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?

The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.

Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.

Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.

Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.

If you're able to do so.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 08:11:25 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.
Or maybe we should just recognize that you are a racist fuck holding him to a stupid standard you do not hold.others to,, and would find some.way to criticize him regardless of what he did.

That's quite an assertion, barrister. But didn't they teach you in law school to support an argument with something factual?

The fact us, the QB who knelt for the oppressed, just cashed in. He took money, and went from kneeling down for his principled, to lying down for a payoff.

Find one post of mine that opposed his kneeling. Find a post where I chastised him for his race.

Then get back to me on that racist label you like to toss around as casually as your bigoted Ohioan friend uses the term Nazi, and apologize.

Recognize the you made a mistake, and own up to it.

If you're able to do so.
I called you a racist be ause you have demonstrated your racism in post after post, issue after issue, for.20 years on the NYT forum and here. You are a racist fuck. You would remain a racist fuck regardless of your position on Kaepernick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 08:18:14 AM
I see.

You have your own stats.

Clearly, then, you don't know the meaning of the word, counselor.

Off you go, now, back to a world of your own creation.

Do get back to us, once you've recovered from speaking with the devil himself.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 08:58:57 AM
I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole.  Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 16, 2019, 10:10:57 AM
Kaep was probably unfairly denied the opportunity to ply his trade by owner collusion. I see no problem with him being compenansated for his lost opportunity and wages due to an illegal conspiracy.

As far as I know while he can not discuss the details of the settlement, he is free to speak his mind about any issue and continue to be a social actvist.

And this settlement is cheap for the NFL, probably $2-3 miilion max per owner, the cost of one bad contract, and they avoid the embarrassment of disclosed e-mails likely revealing the collusion, maybe racism, and maybe shots at Trump. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 16, 2019, 10:40:20 AM
This is not my work, so I can't attest to it, (I've done similar stuff) but others have checked off on this, so I'm posting it here.

It general it addresses and rebuts the "AFC East is easy" argument in discussing the Pats success.


"If you remove the winner of every division since 2001, and look at the records of only teams 2-4 against teams outside their division, the AFC East has the best record since 2001. In other words, teams 2-4 in the AFC East perform better against non-division opponents than the 2-4 teams in any other division. The AFC East is full of mediocre teams that would be 9-11 win teams in other divisions if they weren’t losing to the Patriots. It rarely has bum teams, like the Browns, Raiders, Jaguars were for so long."

So, no, “AFC East” is not a valid answer to this question.


https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301 (https://twitter.com/PatriotsSBLIII/status/1060993804944183301)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 16, 2019, 01:40:12 PM
I used to wonder if you were a racist or just a fucking self righteous asshole.  Then I realized they were not mutually exclusive alternatives.

I've never wondered about you, being the pretentious and supercilious boor that you are.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 16, 2019, 01:56:03 PM
I can literally think of no person on  earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 17, 2019, 02:04:39 PM
I can literally think of no person on  earth whose opinion I care less about than yours.

Sure you can
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 18, 2019, 03:17:18 AM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.

It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.

I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 21, 2019, 04:56:41 PM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.

It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.

I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.

He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 21, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
Maybe you should just cede that you and others were wrong about this guy, instead of launching yet another personal attack, merely because I don't root for your team, joshie.

It's interesting that all of the people who have posted anywhere I read that think Kaepernick did something inappropriate by accepting the money are white. The rest of the voices are talking about how he beat the NFL and they are celebrating.

I think I'm on their team and it is no surprise to me that you don't root for them.

He can take the money. No problem. Just shows what his stance was all about. He's no Curt Flood.

I totally agree that he was no Curt Flood.

OTOH, I don't think anybody made Curt Flood the kind of offer that the NFL made to Kaepernick. It might be that he would have been no Curt Flood, either.

My point about you remains.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 12:24:03 PM
Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.

Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.

A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 22, 2019, 12:29:24 PM
Poor Myra.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 12:32:46 PM
Robert Kraft busted for soliciting in Florida.

Kraft issues a denial of any wrong doing.

A late XXX-Mas present for the troll.

Goodell's present. And presenting facts isn't trolling.

Kraft the human trafficking owner in the NFL. Aaron Hernandez the murderer, likely bumped off in prison. Make it look like a suicide...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 12:47:50 PM
You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.

Different stokes for...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
Inflate-gate.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 22, 2019, 04:22:19 PM
You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.

Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter,  Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 04:58:54 PM
Looking forward to the NY POST and Daily News covers, tomorrow.

That said, surprised Mr. Morality, Joshie, hasn't been here, yet, to condemn the NFL, who declared Kaepernick unfit for the league, but will likely keep this fat bastard around.

There was a rumor that Kraft wanted Kaepernick as a back-up QB for 2019, but Colin wouldn't go down on both knees.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 05:29:03 PM
You'd think a billionaire/public figure like Kraft might show a little more discretion than go to a strip mall rub n tug parlor for a blow-job.

Different stokes for...
Supposedly, per.Adam Schefter,  Kraft is not the biggest name on the list of people busted there. My guess is it is someone whose name rhymes with Ronald Stump. Or.at least I will start that rumor on the Facebook.

Trump and Tiger Woods seem to be the popular choices among the unwashed masses.

I'm going to go with Mitch McConnell he seems like a strip mall rub n tug guy and he has a thing for Chinese women.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on February 22, 2019, 05:48:26 PM
Reminds me of the story often credited ( probably in error) to Giant  great Alex Webster.
I paid $5 grand for her boob job and she was happy.
Then I paid $15kfor her facelift and she was even happier. ( and so was I)
But when I paid a hundred bucks for a blow job she was pissed!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 08:54:55 AM
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=D&tfp_id=NY_DN)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 08:58:44 AM
http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP (http://www.newseum.org/todaysfrontpages/?tfp_display=gallery&tfp_sort_by=title&tfp_region=North+America&tfp_title_letter=N&tfp_id=NY_NYP)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 25, 2019, 06:08:19 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/25/us/robert-kraft-solicitation/index.html

More details than you want to know.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 10:34:31 PM
CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.


The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on February 26, 2019, 12:02:37 AM
CNN on Monday obtained a new statement from the NFL regarding Kraft and the league's personal conduct policy. "Our Personal Conduct Policy applies equally to everyone in the NFL," the statement said.
"We will handle this allegation in the same way we would handle any issue under the Policy. We are seeking a full understanding of the facts, while ensuring that we do not interfere with an ongoing law enforcement investigation. We will take appropriate action as warranted based on the facts.


The investigation needs to be complete. The Shield must get protected. Get him out of the league.

Nobody's kicking him out of the league, Piggy.

He didn't kneel during the National Anthem, after all. Hell, he didn't even hit the women (girls?).

No biggy in NFL circles. Besides, he's friends with Trump and the NFL has worked very hard to get onto Trump's good side.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 01, 2019, 01:58:35 PM
In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's.  I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 01, 2019, 02:34:24 PM
In the town i used to live in there was one of those big-box retailers called BJ's.  I went in and was thoroughly unimpressed with the service. I had to finish myself off and didn't bother leaving a tip.
The local paper in Akron, the Beacon Journal, goes by its initials, A BJ.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on March 02, 2019, 06:52:11 PM
The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.

Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 02, 2019, 11:00:16 PM
The frequently middle-aged women who work in parlors with names like Orchids of Asia and Rainbow Spa are often struggling to pay off high debts to family members, loan sharks, labor traffickers and lawyers who help them file phony asylum claims. In some cases, their passports are taken and their illegal immigration status keeps them further in the shadows, with some of them rotated every 10 days to two weeks between spas operated by the same owners. Forced to pay for their own supplies and even their own condoms, many women must sleep on the same massage tables where they service customers and cook on hot plates in cramped kitchens or on back steps.

Will anyone ask Robert Kraft about all of this?I bet not.

I would be surprised if the liberal media did not ask him such questions, given his connections to the president - and that the majority of the liberal media is outside of Boston and unlikely to want to skip a chance to embarrass the Patriots.

However, at least from the available evidence so far (which is pretty skimpy), the women who were arrested with him don't fit any of the descriptions you included. And money laundering to go along with running a prositution ring or a brothel is not nearly at the level that was suggested in the early reporting on the topic.

I sure hope that if there was sex trafficking that the folks behind it get nailed. And, for all that I doubt Kraft knew the background, should he prove to have known what the situation was and that it was trafficking, then they'd best throw the bookcase at him.

Misdemeanor prostitution, OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 03, 2019, 11:33:31 AM
Quote
OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft


The NFL will probably adopt the  "Tug Rule".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 07, 2019, 11:08:45 PM
Quote
OTOH, would not be worth anybody's time to publicize were it not Bob Kraft


The NFL will probably adopt the  "Tug Rule".

There's a joke about over-inflated balls here to be made.

How they even find out?  Spygate 2; The second coming
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bosox26d on March 12, 2019, 08:15:50 PM
Just when the Browns were starting to look decent
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 12, 2019, 08:53:50 PM
Browns are going to be fun to watch.

And good.

G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)

But they should have traded him last year.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 12, 2019, 09:27:27 PM
Browns are going to be fun to watch.

And good.

G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)

But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 12, 2019, 10:03:52 PM
Browns are going to be fun to watch.

And good.

G-Men got a pretty decent package for OBJ. (1st 3rd and safety Peppers)

But they should have traded him last year.
That's a lot of offensive skill talent. I did not expect the Browns to be in Go For Broke mode now. But adding OBJ, Richardson and Vernon... I think they eye the decay of the Steelers and the status of the Ravens and think there is a huge hole to exploit.

AFC North up for grabs and Browns look like they got a guy who can make tough catches. 

Earl Thomas rumored to be up next.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 12, 2019, 10:24:24 PM
Mind you as a Cleveland fan I fully expect either catastrophic injuries and a 5 - 11 record, or a fumble by Jarvis Landry while twisting into the end zone with the game winning touchdown with a minute left in the AFC Championship game.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 12, 2019, 11:44:11 PM
Not good Gettleman.

Quote
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 13, 2019, 01:17:54 AM
Not good Gettleman.

Quote
Gettleman never completely tamped down trade rumors that swirled last year about Beckham, who was in the late stages of his rookie contract. But Gettleman invested heavily in Beckham on a five-year extension worth $95 million -- he made more than $21 million last season -- a deal that seemed to cement the receiver’s future with the Giants. And now, a year into the deal, it’s over in New York, and Beckham will leave behind a whopping $16 million in “dead money” on the salary cap this year.

That will sure help them to bounce back this season. Eli all the way!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 13, 2019, 09:18:01 AM
gonna be a tough seson for Opie.

and maybe a tougher one for Saquon.

G-men taking a page out of the Knicks play book.

Next year Zion!

or Tua
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 13, 2019, 05:29:28 PM
Since today everything becomes official....

... both trades were actually processed by the NFL as one deal. The net effect was that the Browns received Beckham and Vernon in exchange for Zeitler, Peppers, a 1st-round pick, (17) and a 3rd-round pick (95).
Title: Odell trade
Post by: Kam on March 13, 2019, 05:37:37 PM
Giants have the #6, and thanks to Odell the #17,  and the #97

Trade up to #1. Get Kyler Murray.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 13, 2019, 08:45:31 PM
Fuckin A, Gmen

Long overdue - and they get a Pro Bowler (and a local) in Peppers.

Picks are fucking gravy

Eli starts 2 more seasons.

And thanks, Jets for keeping Leveon away from Ravens.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 12:52:24 AM
Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet.  He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns.  But hopefully better.
 

Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 14, 2019, 01:27:16 AM
Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet.  He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns.  But hopefully better.
 

Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 01:44:12 AM
I would say just going by fan posts that something like 3 out of every 4 NY Giant fans hate the trade.  And of those who hate the trade there is a percentage i can't determine that has jumped ship completely knowing the team has given up on a generational player in his prime.  Maybe 10%.  I think the Giants figure they will regain that 10% when they start winning again... but that won't be in 2019.  They are 32nd in Active Money on the cap and 1st in dead money.  They're essentially paying guys to play elsewhere this year. 

2019 is dead before it begins.  It's a tank and purge salary season ripped out of the pages of the NBA.

2020 on the other hand, will see the Giants with some $80 mil in cap space.


Two faith-based questions.


Do you have faith this regime can find Eli's successor?
Do you have faith this regime can spend the cap space wisely?

After watching the about-face on Collins and Beckham... faith is in short supply.



I happen to think the Giants will be better after the Odell trade than they would have been trying to win 8 games with offensive weapons and no defense and an immobile QB
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 14, 2019, 11:09:54 AM
The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire? Or, is there something that is clearly beyond our view?

Either way, it looks like the ownership may be heavily involved.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 14, 2019, 12:38:12 PM
Peppers is going into year 3. He's a former first rounder but not a Pro-Bowl player yet.  He's like the Eli Apple of the Browns.  But hopefully better.
 

Bethea - the other safety the Giants acquired - is the former Pro Bowl player.
Peppers.got better in year 2, but he has not been anything like a pro bowl player.

Stay tuned
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 03:33:46 PM
The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?

My current reading of the tea-leaves:

- Giants have said recently they're following the Kansas City model; draft a QB have him sit for some time and watch an accomplished veteran do the job.
- Giants have recently said they've acquired draft capital in the Odell deal.  Meaning at #6 and #17 they're planning to trade up to 1 or 2 or 3 or 4. (This might not happen until the draft itself as they're watching for who is trying to trade up to #5)
- They're taking a QB.  (They SAY they like Haskins but this is the time of year everyone lies.) 
- Eli will remain and start for half the season then hand over the reins to the newly-minted starter with the short apprenticeship.
- Every other pick the giants make next month will be on the defensive side of the ball or O-line depth/competition.
- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents.  A WR is the priority.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 03:38:37 PM
But i could be wrong.  Maybe the Giants like Rosen more than Haskins or Murray.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 03:39:39 PM
One last thing about the KC-model.

Ty Hill is a free agent in 2020.

That's your ideal Odell replacement when you have more money to spend than any other team.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
The Giants are making some strange moves. Are they trying to pressure Eli to retire?

My current reading of the tea-leaves:

- Giants will keep targeting bargain bin Free Agents.  A WR is the priority.

Golden Tate gets $9mil annual contact from NYG where $23mil is guaranteed 
(4yr/37.5mil) 

Veteran WR - Check


Next move: veteran LB
Title: Golden Tate
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 04:57:59 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!
Title: Re: Golden Tate
Post by: josh on March 14, 2019, 06:46:44 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!

But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.

Hesi Tate.
Title: Markus Golden
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 07:45:26 PM
In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB  Markus Golden to a one year deal.
Title: Re: Golden Tate
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 07:51:28 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!

But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.

Hesi Tate.

He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.
Title: Re: Markus Golden
Post by: josh on March 14, 2019, 08:29:36 PM
In what can be described as a Golden day for the Giants, the G-Men have announced the signing of OLB  Markus Golden to a one year deal.

And the hot dog vendors have signed a deal with Golden's Mustard.
Title: Meanwhile
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 11:11:22 PM
No interest shown in trading for Robbie Gould
Title: Adam Silver
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 11:12:33 PM
unimpressed
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 15, 2019, 11:24:34 AM
Kareem Hunt gets an 8 game suspension.
Title: Re: Golden Tate
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 15, 2019, 06:00:26 PM
He's good but his father Platinum Tate; now there was a player!

But the cousin who could never decide if he was going to play or not might have been the best of them all, but we will never know.

Hesi Tate.

He took after their french cousin Immi Tate.

I hope he's made a will. Wouldn't want to see him end up like his Uncle, Intes Tate.
Title: Top 3 players available
Post by: Kam on March 20, 2019, 05:03:28 PM
Q Williams
N Bosa
J Allen


The QBs are overrated as usual.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 23, 2019, 01:45:41 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2827187-cam-newton-giving-up-sex-for-a-month-hopes-it-makes-my-mind-stronger?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

I can imagine why he might believe that this would help him.

I cannot fathom what he thinks announcing it is going to accomplish that will be good for anybody, himself included.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 24, 2019, 08:44:02 PM
Gronk is not giving up sex.

However he is giving up the NFL.

And announces his retirement.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/patriots/2019/03/24/star-patriots-tight-end-rob-gronkowski-announces-retiring/17QTnd1UOUEvOuSLAKNDOO/story.html)
Title: Gronk
Post by: Kam on March 24, 2019, 09:55:16 PM
Probably my favorite NE Patriot of All-Time.  Or least hated Patriot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 25, 2019, 11:42:05 AM
Suddenly realized I no longer care about most mock drafts. Tho the last multi-rounder I looked at mentioned a DB named Chauncey Gardner-Johnson to the Browns in R2. I'd like to watch him. Respect to his parents for the name.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 10:00:11 AM
2nd Round?

Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 26, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
2nd Round?

Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 03:49:41 PM
2nd Round?

Any concerns about him being there for the Browns?
I have zero clue who will be available at 2/17.

Not quite the response I was expecting, I thought you might go with, “In a garden, things grow . . . but first, they must wither; trees have to lose their leaves (turn BROWN) in order to put forth new leaves, and to grow thicker and stronger and taller. "
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 09:23:12 PM
PI calls now reviewable

Saints tears worked.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26367953/pass-interference-now-reviewable-nfl-officials)


PHOENIX -- NFL owners have approved a massive philosophical expansion of its replay review system, bowing to pressure from coaches and fans who were outraged by a missed pass interference call in the NFC Championship Game.

For at least the 2019 season, pass interference -- both offensive and defensive -- will be reviewable, the first penalties and judgment calls ever to be added to the list of approved reviews
Title: Coaches proposal
Post by: Kam on March 26, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
Apparently the Coaches had voted 32-0 on another proposal to make ALL plays (rouching the passer, etc) reviewable and aren't thrilled with this compromise.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 10:05:14 PM
Its a good bet this results in one reffing standard for 58 minutes (let 'em play) and another for ticky-tack BS incidental contact/PI calls in the the last 2 minutes
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on March 28, 2019, 08:09:30 PM
https://www.patriots.com/news/statements-from-greg-schiano-and-bill-belichick

I am grateful to Greg Schiano for his years of service to the Patriots and his commitment to the New England community.
Title: Josh Rosen fantasy trade
Post by: Kam on April 01, 2019, 07:39:41 PM
Josh Rosen for the Patriots #2 (56) and a #3 (73)

Pats take a TE in the first rd (32)
Rosen and they also have the (64) (97) (101)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 12:11:05 PM
Rosen trade?

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals (https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/4/1/18289665/josh-rosen-trade-destinations-kyler-murray-arizona-cardinals)

Title: rumors
Post by: Kam on April 02, 2019, 02:13:48 PM
Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.


Caveat being the Giants targets at 17 are gone and they haven't already used the pick as capital to move up.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 04:07:11 PM
Pats usually don't trade up, BB often trades down to pick up additional draft picks.

As I recall there are supposed to be a few attractive TE in this year's draft so maybe the Pats snag a guy with a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

IMO their priorities are young edge guy/rusher WR (several) TE, LB, CB, QB

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Espnthree on April 02, 2019, 06:28:49 PM
So much for the AAF replacing college football.
Title: Re: rumors
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2019, 08:19:39 PM
Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.




No
Title: Re: rumors
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 10:08:57 PM
Pats fans... the Giants #17 pick is in play for a trade up to draft your TE.




No

What are you addressing your no to and why?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 03, 2019, 08:41:51 AM
What?  Maybe you should just re-read it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 06, 2019, 11:20:03 AM
What?  Maybe you should just re-read it.

I re-read your answer of no several times.

Your reasons are still not apparent.

Your answer "no" could be answered from either side of a trade, the Pats or Giants and for different reasons.

I asked your reasons for your 1-word answer of "no" to Kam's proposed swap asked presumably with a Patriot's fan perspective.

Is it not enough for the Giants, too much for the Pats, or what are you saying no to and why?


Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2019, 10:18:28 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 09:09:31 AM
NGlFL draft starts tonight! Can't wait to see who the Browns take at 17!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 09:13:13 AM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2019, 09:55:40 AM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 10:28:39 AM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.
I would not have taken him in the first round, unless I had a QB like Brady or Rodgers.  Sit him a year or two and if he did not work out quietly boot him to the curb. Otherwise, he is "your guy" and you stick with him, and if he is mediocre, you don't improve the position until you have wasted 5 years of your team.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 26, 2019, 10:38:05 AM
Giants didnt like the OSU kid

Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options

Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6

Giants options therefore were:

1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case.  Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.

Option 1 was OK by me.  Jones starts in 2021-22.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2019, 11:06:47 AM
Giants didnt like the OSU kid

Giants had Jones rated substantially ahead of the other options

Giants were concerned a team drafting later than 17 would trade up for Jones if thye passed at 6

Giants options therefore were:

1 - Take Jones at 6
2 - Trade up after making the pick at 6, maybe to 10 as Steelers did - then take Jones there
3 - ROLL THE DICE that you may lose your guy Jones, end up with a second defender at 17, worst case.  Maybe then look at Rosen (who you may not rate highly) or deal up to LATE 1 and take a lesser QB like Grier.

Option 1 was OK by me.  Jones starts in 2021-22.
Your reasoning is correct. It is the player I disagree with. And remember, I thought the Browns spit the bit last year with Mayfield so I clearly know what I am talking about.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 27, 2019, 10:29:46 AM
With the qualifier that I no squat about most college football players, I'm generally happy with the Pats approach through round 3.

they addressed my sense of their need (edge guy, WR, CB) and I think they got some talented players to get younger.

IMO They still could use a TE and maybe another WR, and at some point have to address the QB question, but all in all, I think so far they've done a good job. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 27, 2019, 02:11:38 PM
Stridham is a good gamble. He went from a potential Heisman and top pick at.the start of the year to the fourth round.

I had Greedy Williams as a potential pick when we held 17. Got him 30 picks later.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2019, 10:40:24 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 11:21:34 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2019, 11:34:47 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 29, 2019, 10:06:16 AM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!
.

Guess you missed this: https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg (https://youtu.be/HRa7mQg73Eg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on April 29, 2019, 02:40:54 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.

Battle of Winterfell, then?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 29, 2019, 03:57:50 PM
Favorite draft quote: "Daniel Jones looks like.the actor they'd cast to play Eli Manning in a movie about Peyton Manning... ."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 04:13:01 PM
Playoffs Totals Table

Rk   Player   From    To         G   QBrec   Cmp   Att   Cmp%Yds   TD   Rate Lng   Int   Sk   rushYds
1   E Manning   2005   2016   12   8-4-0   242   400   60.5   2815   18   87.4   72   9   27   155
2   P Manning   1999   2015   27   14-13-0  649  1027  63.2  7339 40  87.4   87   25   40   298
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 29, 2019, 04:16:21 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 04:19:14 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 29, 2019, 04:21:47 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.
I think that argument depends on what you're rating. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 29, 2019, 04:22:32 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.

Battle of Winterfell, then?
.

Likely beats watching Chris Dale, at the moment.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2019, 04:30:09 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

I'm not, but even if I had been I would not have been watching last night.

Battle of Winterfell, then?

Whatever you might have done last night I hope you found it worthwhile and or enjoyable.

You missed an epic 80-minute battle and an all-time classic CFBW. Things looked dire for the hometown defenders of humanity as it looked like the Night King was all but assured of scoring a decisive and crushing victory. His relentless ground game together with an aerial attack shredded the Targ-Stark defense, and led him to 1st and Bran, and all but ready to snatch and crush mankind.

But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.

Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.

I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 06:03:49 PM
After watching what i watched tonight, Pats-Falcon SB 51 might be the second greatest come from behind win ever!

Okay, I'll bite. What did you watch tonight?

I take it your not an HBO subscriber?

"Game of Thrones" creator George R.R. Martin is UNLOADING on the New York Giants ... blasting the team for taking relatively unknown Duke QB Daniel Jones.

Martin -- the brain behind 'GoT' -- happens to be a HUGE fan of the New York football teams ... and like so many other G-Men fans, he's distraught over this weekend's draft.

"Daniel Jones from Duke at number six?" Martin wrote on his website ... "Yes, they need a young quarterback to groom as Eli’s successor. But Dwayne Haskins was right there. Why not him?"
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 06:04:13 PM
heh - stick to dragons George
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 29, 2019, 06:07:13 PM
George R.R. Martin went to Northwestern.  He likely thinks Thorson would have been a better pick.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on April 29, 2019, 06:07:29 PM

But in an unexpected development, the north pick-6ed the Night-King for the win.

Perhaps the greatest swing in win probability since Malcolm Butler's picked Russell Wilson.

I'm pretty sure kid had the White Walkers and the over.

When NK just casually walked up to the 1 yd line all cool and Oberin-like with his linemen distracted it gave the free safety just the opening needed.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on April 29, 2019, 06:30:17 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.

Eli got to the playoffs, based on what you posted, 6 times in 12 seasons.
Peyton got to the playoffs 15 times in 17 seasons.

I think Eli is overrated.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2019, 07:18:20 PM
As a Giants' fan I think we can appreciate Eli Manning without comparing him to his brother.

I think so.  But the non-giants fans believe Eli is overrated.

Opie's HoF credentials consist of 2 good 4th qtrs in the SB, and his ability to avoid injury. He played a lot of games, and he has been a beneficiary of inflated passing stats due to changes in the game.

He'll probably get in to Canton, but IMO he was at best, on average a 10-12th ranked QB (top 1/3) annually for the first part of his career, and pretty average for the past several years. IMO he was good/a little above average, but nowhere near a HoF QB.

I haven't checked his stats in awhile, but IIRC the only annual stat he led the league in was interceptions, which he did 3-times.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 29, 2019, 07:52:34 PM
I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often.  Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2019, 08:26:57 PM
I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often.  Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.

Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.

To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.

How would you rate him?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 29, 2019, 09:28:56 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.

Gettleman is an idiot.

And I'm being kind.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 29, 2019, 09:32:18 PM
The Mara's are also idiots.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 29, 2019, 09:39:51 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)
Title: Eli
Post by: Kam on April 30, 2019, 02:39:39 AM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 30, 2019, 02:28:18 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 06:25:48 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 30, 2019, 06:51:30 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 07:10:26 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 07:14:04 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.

Gettleman is an idiot.

And I'm being kind.

nope
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 07:18:35 PM
I actually don't see/hear Eli "rated" very often.  Thus tough for him to be OVER or UNDER.

Eli's been under a ton of scrutiny over the past few years, and certainly the past two years. His benching in '17 ultimately got a coach fired, and there was the heated debate when the Giants used the #2 pick in the '18 draft on a running back rather than a new QB, in a draft with several potential successors.

To say you hven't heard him rated suggests you are deaf to the obvious roar.

How would you rate him?

Sorry, just getting to this -

I am fine with how NYG are handling the final stages of Eli's tenure.  I have already stated a few times that I would not have passed on Barkley.

And I have stated I have Jones starting in '21-'22.  If its sooner, that is fine.  Means he looks ready - and that would be a good thing.

I did like the one other QB who we could have gotten much later - and thus would have been OK with not taking a round 1 guy.  But he can play.  Just means we don't have to use a 1 or 2 next year on the position.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 30, 2019, 07:20:58 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 07:41:38 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: josh on April 30, 2019, 07:55:42 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.

Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: josh on April 30, 2019, 07:56:45 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.
I look at all Hall debates as a comparison thing. I think Eli has been at least as good as Bob Griese.

And far better than Rabbit Maranville!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 30, 2019, 08:22:27 PM
Yep. And Jess Haines too!
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 08:36:48 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.

Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.

I don't know.....  NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........

If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning.  Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.

Title: Re: Eli
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2019, 09:14:21 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

If people think he should be in the Hall of Fame, then those people are overrating him.

Not suggesting he is not beloved or that he didn't have a distinguished career.

I don't know.....  NFL, like Pro Basketball HOF -is a bit funny.If looking at who is in is one way of determining IF you get in, well..........

If you just want to do the IS HE or ISNT HE approach by having watched him, fine - think what you like of the 3rd Manning.  Eli isn't a guy that WOWS anyone.......but winners often don't.

heh

that's a persuasive helluva case for Eli.

I think watching him play is a start to determining Eli's HoF-worthiness.

How did he compare to his peers?

And IMO if you bother to check the stats you'll find he pretty much defines maybe slightly above average (top 10-12ish/top 1/3).

is HoF case rests on 2 good SB 4th qtrs  and longevity.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: Kam on May 01, 2019, 01:11:26 AM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.

You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.

Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat)  are enough to get him in.

I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.

Beating the best team of all time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2019, 09:12:26 AM
Everyone likes Opie.

That's not really a point of contention.

He's likeable, earnest, and honest as the day is long.

Although you might want to double-check the game used #10 jersey hanging in the rec room.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 01, 2019, 12:32:34 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.

You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.

Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat)  are enough to get him in.

I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.

Beating the best team of all time.

Not really even  a discussion on whether Eli will be enshrined.  Has the stats, the unsurpassed durability and the rings.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 01, 2019, 01:29:22 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.
Title: Re: Eli
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 01, 2019, 01:38:10 PM
You are free to think he isn't a Hall of Famer ... but that doesnt make him overrated.

Eli has had a very distinguished Ny Giants career.   Might be top 5 most loved of all time NYG.

Canton or not, we like him.

I like Opie too.

And so does Andy, Barney and Aunt Bea.

But they don't think he's a HoF QB either.

Otis does though.

You can like Eli without putting the Gold Jacket on him.

Now there is the argument that the 2 SBs victories (and who they beat)  are enough to get him in.

I think that would be the strongest platform he has to stand on.

Beating the best team of all time.

The word is CLUTCH: The Giants entered the playoffs as the #5-seed.[121] On January 6, 2008, in the Wild Card Round, Manning went 20-of-27 for 185 yards playing on the road against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The underdog Giants won 24–14, and Manning had two touchdown passes.[122]

On January 13, 2008, in the Divisional Round Manning led the Giants to an upset victory over the heavily favored Dallas Cowboys, the number one seed in the NFC.[123] For the third straight game, Manning played well, completing 12 of 18 passes for 163 yards and two touchdowns with no interceptions.[123] The Giants were the first team to beat an NFC number one seed in the Divisional Round since the start of the 12-team format in 1990.[124] This victory secured an NFC Championship berth against the Green Bay Packers on Sunday, January 20, 2008. In the NFC Championship, the Giants beat the Packers in overtime, with a score of 23–20.[125] The dramatic victory secured Manning and the Giants a trip to Super Bowl XLII.[126] This was the first Super Bowl appearance for the New York Giants since Super Bowl XXXV in 2001,[127] and their first Super Bowl victory since Super Bowl XXV.

....Trailing 14-10 with 2:42 remaining, Manning led the Giants 83 yards on a game-winning touchdown drive. On a crucial third-and-5 at the Giants' 44-yard line, Manning connected with David Tyree on a play in which he avoided several near-sacks and Tyree caught the ball off his helmet for a large gain. Four plays later, Plaxico Burress caught a 13-yard touchdown pass with just 35 seconds remaining for the winning margin.[130] Manning became only the second quarterback in NFL history to throw two go-ahead fourth-quarter touchdowns in a Super Bowl (Joe Montana being the first).[131] Manning also became the first quarterback to throw a last-minute, championship-winning touchdown in the NFL title game (including the pre-Super Bowl era) when a field goal would not at least tie the game.[132] Following the Giants' monumental victory, Manning and the coaching staff spoke briefly with President George W. Bush.[133]

Manning was named the Most Valuable Player of Super Bowl XLII.[134] He and his brother Peyton are the only brother combination to play at quarterback in the Super Bowl and the only set of brothers to win Super Bowl MVP, doing so in successive years....

Wikipedia.

CLUTCH. TWO TIME MVP. Durable. Winner. HOFer.

Pat's fans jealous, because they know with Eli instead of Brady, they'd be undefeated in all those other Super Bowls.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2019, 01:50:25 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.

Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.

And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.

You have nothing.

SSDD

And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.

The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.

TFF
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 01, 2019, 02:59:40 PM
Let's see "Opie" not only made TB12 cry after beating him twice in the Super Bowl, he also has  won two Academy Awards, four Emmys, a Grammy, two Golden Globes, and has been nominated for 7 BAFTA Awards. He additionally received the National Medal of Arts in 2003 as well as two stars on the Hollywood Walk of Fame for his contributions.

Sounds like a HOFer to me.
Title: Jets + Giants
Post by: Kam on May 01, 2019, 03:43:06 PM
Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.
Title: Re: Jets + Giants
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2019, 04:14:39 PM
Eli probably benefits from the lack of any compelling other QB for the Jetropolitans or the Giants since Ken O'Brien and Philly Simms.

That's probably true. And to extend it, the lack of pro-sports star-power and championships in the NYC metro other than the Yankees for the better part of this century, has created a celebrity vacuum that Eli with 2 rings sort of inherited, despite non-superstar performance.

For whatever reasons fans need heroes.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2019, 12:16:33 PM
Jeter is better.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 02:46:19 PM
Celebrity vacuum? Ha! It's New York! We don't need know stinking celebrities! The city itself is a celebrity. Unlike that razed set of hills they used to fill in the swamp around Boston Habba!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:53:48 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

I agree. Sometimes it's hard to draw the line between the eras, though this isn't the case this time.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:54:46 PM
Gettleman had heard about the Duke wonderkid as a transformational player and the #1 pick.

He thinks he drafted Zion.
In his defense, if you see your quarterback of the future you take him, regardless. You do not say, get him at 17. My problem is, there is nothing in any of what I have seen to make him better than, say, Tannehill or some other middling but not awful QB, and in many ways that is the worst kind of QB to have.

I think the general feeling is that Jones was a huge stretch at #6.

17? Supposedly he was a consideration if he got to #32 for the Pats.

I thought the Giants were going Josh Allen at 6.

Gettleman is an idiot.

And I'm being kind.

nope

Opinions vary. FTR I hope mine is wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 02, 2019, 02:59:29 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.

Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.

And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.

You have nothing.

SSDD

And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.

The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.

TFF

C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 03:01:01 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 03:06:28 PM
I think comping QBs from vastly different eras is apples and oranges.

IMO and entirely off the top of my head, Griese was a better QB in his era than Eli is in his.

Yeah, but you've got a very small head.

Troll-you really suck at formulating and supporting arguments so you resort to childish insults.

you're pathetic

Maybe so, but I've got your number, pinhead.

Troll-I'm glad you understand and accept you are a pathetic stalker and an insecure piece of shit.

And because of your depravity and insecurity I've changed my #s.

You have nothing.

SSDD

And to suggest that Pat fans are jealous of Eli is beyond laughable.

The troll is the biggest homer on this board and is probably incapable of understanding how fucking inane is homerism is.

TFF

C'mon Rich, you have to admit that Hammy has a way bigger head than any you've ever seen before. I'm sure he's got double doors throughout his house.

I'm going to quible a bit cap.

I'm not sure how big the troll's head is, but it certainly is the emptiest and devoid of content. So it is probably fair to say he probably has the greatest amount of avaialble empty space  ear-to ear and chin to the top of his pointy head.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 03:54:55 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.

I saw it once.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 03:58:50 PM
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars

Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 04:17:29 PM
the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars

Lin Manuel Miranda would like to dispute your position.

LMM walks down most any street in NYC and 99 of 100 people won't have a clue who he is, unless he's in costume or wearing a LMM game jersey.

There's mass market in NYC of millions who gets fed sports content 24/7 and an elite market a fraction of that that uses ticket brokers to buy $1000 tickets months in advance.





Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 02, 2019, 04:24:08 PM
I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
I heard that Thairo Estrada is going to be in a road production of "Hamilton."

Give him a pony tail and colonial garb he couild pass for LMM and know one will be wiser...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 05:22:58 PM
The injustice system at work: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/judge-orders-robert-kraft-to-appear-in-court-video-thrown-out-in-related-case-001600644.html)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 05:25:55 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.

No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.

You may now fuck off.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 05:28:46 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions

Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 06:30:43 PM
poor sad troll

everyone here has seen your depravity and sickness and your lies and constant deceit.

You fool no one.

Except perhaps yourself.

SSDD

No one here wants anything to do with you/

You are filth.

Now go back to your corner of shame and pee your pants in frustration.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 07:19:12 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 07:21:24 PM
Yeah, I know - Barkley was a bad pick

heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 07:35:03 PM
I believe at the time I suggested more than once that Barkely was a luxury item for a team that had a lot of pressing needs, (I think I comped him to a Bentley when a pick-up truck was required) and thought if a franchise QB was not found (I was partial to Darnold ) then the #2 might be traded for a basket of high picks to hasten the Giants rebuild. I also wanted OBJ traded. (At least they got that right, if a year late). But I was told by more than one Giant fan they were a post-season team.

They weren't.

There's little question Barkely is a very good player. But I'm comfortable with my analysis.

The risk now is that Danny boy is not the guy and could push a rebuild another 3+ years down the road.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 09:47:33 PM
Bitch Levine is wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 02, 2019, 10:47:09 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 11:00:35 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 11:11:04 AM
The latest Patriot scandal: Tom Brady caught vandalizing Hollywood mansion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTXSRRSv1bY)

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 11:54:04 AM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 12:08:25 PM
kid

as you are well aware, after the Giants disappointing '18 season, there has been a ton of 2nd guessing among NFL pundits, experts, Giant reporters and fans of the Giant draft strategy and the Barkely pick in particular. Many mirroring my opinion. 

However as you know my analysis and criticism was before that draft. And as you may recall i was high on Bentley, just not as a #2 pick in the entire draft for a team that had so many holes to fix.

That #2 pick could have been turned into a 1,2,3,and 4 round picks (starting at the #4th) using the NFL value matrix.
 
And as you know it wasn't a 2nd guess, it was my analysis of need and how to best rebuild the team.

And time will tell, and Jones may be the long-term QB answer and Barkely the perfect complimentary running back.

But I would have preferred driving something more sensible than a Bentley, and maybe paid down the mortgage, put aside money for kid's college, throw a few bucks into the retirement funds, and rebuild the O=line and defense.

And maybe I would have gotten 24 MPG in the less sexy but more sensible Volvo wagon.

YMMV
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2019, 01:08:15 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 01:38:36 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

Oh, look! Mije Francesca's opinion dropped by. Probably easier just to provide the link to WFAN, next time, Bitch Levine.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 02:19:34 PM
Oh look the poor sad troll is pissing his pants again.

I must have upset the psychotic asshole, again.

Too bad., and get used to it.

Francesa liked Darnold, but he was still in camp Eli a year ago, and wanted to build around Eli, and he thought they could win last year, and thought sitting Darnold and not playing him would have been a waste of a very high pick.

It was similiar to his objections to them drafting Danny Jones at #6, and sitting behind Eli. He thinks its a waste of a pick when they had so many needs, like an O-line and defense.

Its what I said a year ago.

and fwiw, I've no opinion on Jones, other than it appears to have been a pretty big reach, and he quite likely would have been there at #17.

never know.

And anyone want to rent the empty space in the troll's head.

I've owned it for years, but while its fun to fuck around with, I don't get much use of it anymore.

Although flying paper airplanes in there is kind of fun, or throwing a frisbee, there's plenty of empty space in there.

no reasonable offer will be refused.

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 02:33:26 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.

not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes

QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE

and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper

and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.

Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.

I
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2019, 02:52:54 PM
Going into the 2018 draft the Giants were so terrible that anybody they took with that pick would be a luxury item. So taking the generational talent, Barkley, made more sense to me than taking the kind of talent, be he Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield, that comes along every season.

Not many people thought the '18 Giants were terrible and many pundits had them as a likely post-season team with a very strong offense led by Eli OBJ  and Barkely. I thought they were a mediocre (7-8 win team) team and if they couldn't find the next QB, blow it up and rebuild. Trade #2 for a basket of picks to fill several holes, trade OBJ, (but instead they signed the guy to a 5-year deal) who was a major PITA and distraction, and rebuild the O-line and defense.

Barkely is a Bentley and a shiny toy to distract the masses in the short-term. With a new GM and new coach they had the perfect time and clean slate to blew it up and rebuild, but they gave Eli one more year and one more toy to play with.

I'll give them credit for finally getting rid of OBJ but it took them at least a year too long,

The "Bentley" will help JONES, Shepard and a rebuilt D for many years to come.

But of course -a s happens in all sport - all the
dont draft Barkley" crowd needs to happen to be "right" is for Darnold or any of the other available QBs at the time OUTLAST Saquon in career length - Jones NOT be All Pro and for Saquon's Giants to not win a Super Bowl.

Then they can say - "see - I told you we were better off not drafting that guy".

Sad post action posturing....
I think drafting Barkley is the right Choice IF you had doubts about whether Darnold, Rosen or Alle n was the Quarterback of the Future. Taking a QB at 2 sticks you with him for four or five years. As Jville how that works if you are wrong. It is better to be wrong on a guy you pass on - Watson or Wentz - than be wrong on the guy you take. If he is not your guy trade out or take, oh, Myles Garrett or Saquon Barkley.

My only problem with the GI ants taking Barkley is I wanted him at 4.

not to go all Abraham Maslow on you boz, but in the NFL there is a hierarchy of needs that usually goes

QB
edge rusher
Tackle
corner
safety
TE

and running back generally falls somewhere between TE and long-snapper

and in your example the Browns stuck to this hierarchy in the '18 draft with Mayfield at 1 and Garrett at 4.

Having secured their hoped for franchise QB, it wouldn't have been crazy for Barkely at #4, but they nailed their real needs first.

I
Ward. Garrett was the year before. We passed on a Chubb at 4, a decision I was ok with, but would not have made.

After the first four, though, I think the ranking depends on your team philosophy. A pocket pusher at DT,  RB and WR would be before TE for most teams. But if you identify a unique talent at a normal position, I think you take him. You build offenses around uniquely talented players. That is why TE was a more valuable position for NE than most teams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 03:08:59 PM
Mixed up Ward and Garrett but the hierarchy still holds.

And agree that after nailing down the basics, QB, edge rusher, O-line, CB, a GM can free-lance for specific needs.

But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.

IMO the point remains that the Giants were nowhere near nailing down the basics and bought a Bentley, but are 3 months behind on the mortgage payments.

As an aside, with Gronk's retirement, the Pats really don't have a TE, so it may be interesting to see how the Pat's offense morphs this year.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 03, 2019, 03:45:55 PM
My feelings exactly. I'll hold door for the douchebag.


https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/ (https://thebiglead.com/2019/04/25/dave-gettleman-is-a-moron-for-taking-daniel-jones-over-dwayne-haskins-or-pass-rusher/)

Only time will tell. Make sure you come back and apologize, if you're wrong. After all, you have all that experience putting NFL teams together and evaluating players.

No problem, I'll admit to being wrong. Done it lots of times when I am. Something I don't think I've ever seen you do old sock.

No. I admitted I was wrong about you and your emailed opinions regarding Levine, cap. Funny how you show two faces, despite the size of your own little cue ball.

You may now fuck off.

Cool, permission from you means so very much to me.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 03, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 03, 2019, 03:54:19 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions

Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.

Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 06:23:22 PM
Bitch Levine wrong again.

Bottom line, those CFB Nutcases, Cap and The Arizona Priest Enabler, know their kids. But neither they nor your copied and pasted Francesa opinions mean shit.

Even the guys who draft the players don't know how these picks will turn out.

 If they did, you'd be here singing the praises of Dave Stachelski.

You may now STFU, Wimp.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 06:35:02 PM
poor sad troll

no one give a fuck about your pathetic screams for attention.

this is a fucking forum about pro football, its not about you, an indecent asshole stalker.

cap is right

no one wants you here

you're useless

so go hide and vent in the hockey forum and piss yourself in isolation.

you fucking loser
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 06:37:14 PM
Troll

you missed/evaded the points as mediocre minds tend to do.

the last guy on the Yankee or Knick bench is more recognizable to the guy on the street than the biggest Broadway stars or Wall St bankers

and they identify with players heroes.

For example there used to be a pervert asshole who posted here, but he ran away in shame, that among other web-names, called himself 'utley".

and who wet himself when the after the phillies signed Harper crowed about Harper's jersey sales.

the loser schmuck needed to identify with a player and naturally he identified with his favorite hometown dirty-player and a prima donna.

The point was post-Yankee dynasty days, the sports celeb bucket was running on E, and Eli likely benefited from it.

Now go back to wetting yourself in isolation in the NHL forum you perverted punk, so as not to unduly pollute adult discusions

Your obsession with me is only overshadowed by your inability to ever say anything that even has a hint of fact contained within it, Bitch Levine.

Your obsession with insisting on staying here when absolutely nobody wants you around defines you.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 06:39:35 PM
Bitch Levine hates when is proven wrong.

Cap likes a good echo chamber.

But he proved his stripes a long time ago.

Two weaklings.

Heh
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2019, 06:48:26 PM
Troll-the only thing you have proven beyond a reasonable doubt is the bottomless depth of your desperaration and depravity.

and you do it with every post

SSDD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 03, 2019, 11:09:59 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.
Title: The funny thing is
Post by: Kam on May 03, 2019, 11:14:37 PM
The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.

If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.

DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.

DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 03, 2019, 11:20:47 PM

But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.


Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.

They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better.  They are one starting RG away from a standout line.

The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least.  Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.

Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.

The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense.  But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.

That should scare the rest of the division.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2019, 12:01:50 AM

But its tough to build an offense around a running back when your O-line sucks.


Barkley (even with OBJ missing the last four games) managed 2000 yards behind that shitty O-line.

They traded for an All-Pro RT (Kevin Zeitler) and their starting rookie LT (Will Hernandez) who they drafted right after Barkley is only getting bigger and better.  They are one starting RG away from a standout line.

The defense will be much much better (it was the absolute worst but still) with a run-stuffing nose tackle in Lawrence and the new CBs (the most important position on defense - the firm of Baker Love and Beal) and safeties (Peppers and the old man Bethea) will give Bettcher's front seven more time to manage a meager pass rush at least.  Markus Golden we see you. Even sending a safety to blitz the QB once-in-a-while knowing the CBs can play man coverage.

Eli/Jones are gonna hand the ball off (and play-action short passes to WRs who don't drop the ball - Hello Golden "hands" Tate) the whole game.

The weaknesses will still be pass rush on defense and deep threat on offense.  But those are luxuries that can be added the following season with the most cap room in the NFL.

That should scare the rest of the division.

It always amazes me that people confuse individual achievements within the context of team sports.

I blame fantasy sports.

Giants had 5 wins last year, with Eli, OBJ and Saquon. That's a lot of offensive fire power.

But they sucked as a team.

There was a reason they had the #6 pick to use on Eli's successor.

And Barkely is a high performance player, there's no question about that, and is one of the reason I comped him to a Bentley. He's special.

But 700 yards of the 2,000 were passing yards.

But i'm sure you're right Opie will scare the rest of the NFC East, and lead his team to post-season wins, as he has, twice in his 14 year career.

As for Jones he may be great, I've no idea, I didn;t see the Senior Bowl, but the point you seem to miss is that he  was the 4th ranked QB in the draft and depending upon your source, anywhere from the 40th to 80th ranked player in the draft, which suggests he would likely have been there at 17, and maybe at 37 in the 2nd round.  He was a huge stretch at 6, and DG might have capitalized on his brilliance by accumulating extra picks by trading down.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 04, 2019, 12:39:43 AM
Giants had 8 one possession losses in that 5-11 record.  5 losses  by a field goal or less.

15-20 Jags
13-20 Cowboys
31-33 Carolina
20-23 Falcons
13-20 Skins
22-25 Eagles
27-28 Colts
35-36 Cowboys

Early in the season the offense wasn't clicking even with OBJ.   
Later in the season the defense was the problem.

Won't take a lot to improve the W-L record.
Title: Re: The funny thing is
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 04, 2019, 07:53:51 AM
The know-it-alls, the Kiper JRs, the McShays, all said the Giants HAD TO draft a QB.

If the Giants had drafted HAskins, all the draft heads and ESPuN-dits would be giving DG an A++.

DG looked at both QBs and SAW in Jones a guy who he thinks could do the job and a guy in Haskins he wasn't sure about.

DO you want the GM going with his belief or do you want him to just look at Mock Drafts?

Great points. But you have to admit, Eli is an expensive tutor. Unless they plan to trade him. But to where and for whom?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 04, 2019, 07:57:03 AM
Advice to QB Jones, #8: “Be who you are and say what you feel, because in the end those who matter don’t mind and those who mind don’t matter."

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 04, 2019, 08:02:17 PM
Jones wont play this year

And Peppers in the return game is under publicized.

Idiot radio head was saying, "Call me if you wouldnt trade Jones for Darnold"

Heh - I'd have fired him on the spot.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 04, 2019, 08:41:19 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.

Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 05, 2019, 10:22:08 AM
Bitch Levine hates when is proven wrong.

Cap likes a good echo chamber.

But he proved his stripes a long time ago.

Two weaklings.

Heh

LOL you remind me of Rudy in the movie Hot Dog, you multiple personality freak.

Well, so here's my answer to you Rudy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmvf3b6GvEA)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 05, 2019, 07:47:18 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.

Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.

I just don't think he lasts to 37.   Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 05, 2019, 08:18:04 PM
While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 05, 2019, 09:42:21 PM
Attaboy, YG
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 06, 2019, 08:37:18 AM
While I don't think he's the kind of talent to be taken 6th if the Giants truly believed he was their guy, they had to take him there.
.

Bingo! And generally, the people who actually work in the NFL know more than radio personalities and the apes who copy and post their opinions here.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 09:40:17 AM
We would need to know particulars on which teams may have been interested in moving up to 6.

Anyone at 7-10?

How about 11-16?

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 09:46:34 AM
There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.   
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 06, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.
Right. If you think your QB of the future is sitting for you at 6, you take him. If you think Jones is your QB of the future, that is a different issue.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 11:21:52 AM
There are so many variables in there that if they believed Jones was their guy (a separate argument is whether his talent justifies that), they had to take him.

Well...just to make the discussiona bit more in depth...

No.  Part of GMs job on draft day is figuring what other teams are about to do.

Thus.... 

If the team at 11 is offering something substantial to move to 6 it then behooves you to do a mock on 6-10.  Also of course figuring who might deal up to 7-10 to get Jones

Smart money says Gettleman was too concerned Redskins wanted Jones and that is enough for the backers of Gettleman and the naysayers to strongly debate.
Or... could be nobody was dealing up (hard to believe) and of course Gettleman then had just 2 moves - take Jones or be Ok losing him before 17
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 12:32:30 PM
I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 06, 2019, 12:55:32 PM
I'm just glad all these 1st round QBs are finding homes for the next 3-5 years, that may open the door a little when Bama and Clemson QBs are ready to come out '20 and '21 and Brady may decide its time to finally pass the torch.
The worst teams in the league will always include one or two teams that need QBs. Lack of quality QB is usually one of the reasons you are drafting in the top 10.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 12:57:43 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 01:15:33 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.
Of the two I like Lawrence a lot more, but Tua is a pretty decent pro prospect, and IMO would have been the #1 if he had come out this year.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 06, 2019, 04:10:23 PM
Jones will work and he will improve, and he will be ready when his time comes. Book it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 08:57:12 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.

Wow

No words
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 09:10:42 PM
I guess we'll find out. Injury-prone, happy feet and short-arms throws. But I don't know things like you do.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 10:12:31 PM
I think Tua's NFL potential is vastly overrated, but Lawrence is the real deal.

Wow

No words

Using your big-boy words to explain your opinion would be helpful rather than trying to bluff your way through with snarky bullshit.

Kid you're totally transparent.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 10:35:59 PM
Kid took pains last year to tell us he didn't watch much college football, but he knows things anyway.
Title: Jones
Post by: Kam on May 07, 2019, 01:25:06 AM
--this is all second hand "insider" info i took from a giants board FWIW--

Denver had Jones rated higher than Lock and would have taken him if he was available in the first round*.

Denver is not head over heels in love with Lock, they think he has potential, but they see his warts. They took him in the 2nd round as there was too much value there not to take him.

The rumors out there on the Redskins was accurate, there was a split in Redskins camp on Jones vs Haskins with Snyder wanting Haskins and the rest wanting Jones. Snyder would have won out if both were available.  Jay Gruden and several Redskins scouts loved Daniel and were banging the table for him but were over ruled by Snyder in favor of Haskins.

Bengals ( pick 11 ) also had interest in Jones.

---

*Fact:
Denver eventually traded down from 10 AFTER the Giants took Jones at 6.

With all this in the ether  DG would be crazy to wait til 17.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 08:26:44 AM
Good info - thanks
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 08, 2019, 03:43:51 PM
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/02/new-york-giants-draft-pick-julian-love-considered-top-late-round-steal/

https://247sports.com/nfl/new-york-giants/Article/Giants-draft-2019-grade-Pro-Football-Focus-131721174/

Gettleman!!!

Good picks. Love was a steal. The Baker pick while costing a draft pick gets a first rounder ergo and extra year before he says bye bye(If he does) Had Collins been a first rounder he'd still be with us for another season.

Want to know which one was a bad one?


If he turns out to be a bad pick that DG made at 6, then he'd be a bad pick at 17 too.   

But if he's good, no one will care that we took him with 6. 

Just imagine DG drafted Lawrence with the 6 and Jones with the 17. You'll sleep better.

Actually I was taking Allen at 6 and an OL at 17. Jones probably would have still been there for our 2nd rounder. Or trade back into the first and get him like we did baker. Although I'd rather have Baker. But like I've said, I hope I'm wrong about the kid. Been wrong before bro.

I just don't think he lasts to 37.   Its a gamble and why would you gamble if you like the guy to be your franchise QB?

Taking him at six is also a gamble. Time will tell if it was the right gamble. As a Giants fan I'm hoping I'm not just wrong, but waaaaay wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 08, 2019, 06:36:51 PM
Why is it a gamble?  He is your property now for 5 years if you like - has value now in deal and you still nabbed 2 excellent young players to go with others you are building with long term.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 09, 2019, 07:48:03 PM
They're also gambling that Allen is a bust or just a 'good' player. If he busts out to star status and Jones is merely mediocre then you gambled wrong.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 10:38:56 PM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 10:44:06 PM
Joey Bosa, Ezekiel Elliott and Jalen Ramsey are great talents

That doesnt mean Jared Goff was a poor pick for the Rams.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2019, 10:57:16 PM
I'm not sure why the concept of possibly over-valuing and overpaying for a guy ranked 40th to 80th by most experts, but who was picked 6th in the draft, and of the opportunity cost of doing so, is such a difficiult concept for some to understand. 
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 10, 2019, 03:14:44 AM
QB is always called the most important position and toughest to fill adequately.  And there are QB-hungry teams every year.   So yes, a guy ranked 40th in a 32 team league, at the QB position, will likely get drafted way higher than a draft board based on talent rather than team-need would have him.

They got their man.  Was it the right man? Time will tell.  But i don't think Allen's play will weigh on Jones just like nobody with the Giants cares we let Philip Rivers and Shawn Merriman go for Eli.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 10, 2019, 08:29:45 PM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher. Possibly you aren't understanding what I'm saying. My opinion, and point for that matter, is dependent on Jones "not" being a star.

But it's no secret I covet and value defense in the game of football and my opinion is a bit jaded in that respect I readily admit this.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 10, 2019, 09:16:32 PM
You should love the Odell deal then

Funny..... hearing Jones may not even be the first Giants rookie QB to hit the field

Funny 2 -  Lindy's Pro Football Draft issue -

Ratings

Haskins - 8.2
Jones - 8.0
Murray - 7.8
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 11, 2019, 12:03:27 AM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.


I've also heard CB was the next most important position.  I don't know.  But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added.  Perennially weak at LB.  Much is expected from Markus Golden.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 11, 2019, 07:55:46 PM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.


I've also heard CB was the next most important position.  I don't know.  But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added.  Perennially weak at LB.  Much is expected from Markus Golden.


Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2019, 09:39:44 PM
Terribly simplistic
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 11, 2019, 10:59:03 PM
Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer.  By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 12:04:56 AM
Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this

QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS

and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way

good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....

there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.

you're welcome
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 12, 2019, 10:53:37 AM
Not if you have your QB and continue to build it properly.

If there is a position in the modern NFL game that rivals the QB in importance it is edge rusher.


I've also heard CB was the next most important position.  I don't know.  But i like our front 3 defensive linemen and the CBs and Safeties we've added.  Perennially weak at LB.  Much is expected from Markus Golden.


Great edge rushers make average CBs, and secondaries for that matter, look good. Poor edge rushers make good CBs look average.
Good corners make average pass rushers look great. Forcing the QB to hold the ball an extra tick makes a huge difference. That is why the Browns took Ward over Chubb last year. Their review showed them their rush was good, but people were open all over the field so that the rush always looked late. It all works together. Offenses will expose any weak point, regardless of strength.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 11:01:04 AM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 12, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open  the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not  build his right arm at.the expense of the left.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 02:02:22 PM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open  the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not  build his right arm at.the expense of the left.

Football is still a trench warfare game. You lose the line of scrimmage, you lose. And in today's pass-happy NFL even crappy QBs have completion % above 60%. Given the rules advantages to the passing game, most CBs will lose their man in a couple of seconds or get flagged for holding. So pass completed for flag/1st down.

You need at least 1-stud pass rusher to pressre the QB to throw before he wants to. And even if you have a shut-down corner, a good QB will look elsewhere to pick apart a team. I've seen it happen for 18 years.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Kam on May 12, 2019, 02:49:59 PM


But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.

All right Maslow
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2019, 03:16:31 PM


But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.

All right Maslow

my friends call me Abe.

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
Terribly simplistic

Probably seems that way to you. Not surprised.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 03:49:50 PM
Good cover corners make offensive lines work longer.  By the end of the game those average pass rushers will find a foothold to exploit.


If you ever played football you will know that defenses, especially the rushers DL and DE, expend much more energy than offensive linemen. Thus you will see a lot of DL rotation going on.

And by the end of the game everyone is tired. Including those average pass rushers.


No my point was about time Kam. To an NFL quarterback time is life's blood.


And to NFL secondaries too much of it means certain death.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 03:51:06 PM
Hierarchy of needs NFL style
generally goes something like this

QBs
DE-rushers
OT
CB
S
TE
LB
RB
K
P
LS

and if you follow the money and the draft it more or less plays out that way

good QBs get drafted top of the draft and then stud edge rushers, then tackles who can deal with the edge guys....

there is probably no more efficient way to a D to be disruptive than have 1 guy who can blow up a play all by himself, (1 corner can't do that) and thats why edge rushers are in demand in a passing league. 1 stud guy can have a pretty big impact.

you're welcome

Sage.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 04:01:18 PM
So what boz is indirectly saying is that once the Browns were satisfied with their pass rush they felt that a (hopefully) shut-down CB would strengthen their D.

And yes good corners can lead to cover-sacks and are complimentary to edge/pass rushers. Both help each other.

But the hierarchy of needs is pretty constant.
If his receivers are open  the QB doesn't need time. If there is no rush, CBs will lose.their ma . It is the circle of life. Hierarchy of needs be damned. You cannot build a line at the expense of your secondary or a secondary at the expense of your line for.the same reason a weightifter does not  build his right arm at.the expense of the left.

While I'll agree on paper you are technically correct.

AFC Championship game 2016, Brady vs two badass DE's. The hands down greatest QB I have ever seen had the worst big game I've ever seen him have. Three of the Broncos secondary players were All-Pros. Two of those 1st team, both CBs. I have no doubt Brady picks them apart without that killer pass rush.


Thus my preference.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 13, 2019, 07:02:52 PM
Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)



Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on May 13, 2019, 10:04:59 PM
Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)

That's consistent with a finding last week in another case. I think the prosecution has an uphill battle ahead of it, if they even go forward at all.

(p.s. Flacco says he is not a selfish person.)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2019, 11:35:33 AM
Judge suppresses video in Kraft solicitation case:


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26740141/judge-suppresses-video-kraft-solicitation-case)

I'm guessing that happy ending cost Kraft a whole lot more than his first happy ending.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
Jets fire GM-Mac

Gase wearing GM hat.

Game of Clowns
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 15, 2019, 12:42:52 PM
The Jets are always sinking but never hit bottom.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2019, 12:51:41 PM
The story knocked "Knicks didn't get Zion what are we going to do?" off of WFAN
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2019, 01:07:57 PM
Seems hard to beleive but the Rex Ryan era will be thought of fondly as the era of relative stability in J-E-T-S history.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 22, 2019, 06:31:25 PM
The  NFL will hold the 2021 Draft in the home city of the two time defending Super Bowl Champs! Sweet.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 22, 2019, 07:13:00 PM
Sonny Weaver Jr and home court advantage for draft day doesn't seem fair!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bodiddley on May 23, 2019, 02:27:16 PM
A sad tale of Kellen Winslow Jr. (https://apnews.com/8cfbcfd44bc34a05b5518d8cdaf55661)

It really sounds like the guy has mental issues:
Quote
While Winslow was out on $2 million bail, he was arrested again for lewd conduct after a 77-year-old woman at a gym said he exposed himself to her on two occasions and masturbated next to her in a hot tub in February. He has been jailed since without bail.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 26, 2019, 12:57:52 PM
One of the great QBs of my youth.

Unitas was the flashier/sexier passer-QB, but Starr had the discipline, O-line, Hornung and Taylor and Lombardi.

RIP Bart Starr

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85 (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26825531/legendary-packers-hof-qb-starr-dies-85)

"Bart Starr, a Hall of Fame quarterback who helped build the Green Bay Packers dynasty in the 1960s and was named the Most Valuable Player of the first two Super Bowls, died Sunday in Birmingham, Alabama. He was 85."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 26, 2019, 06:34:24 PM
Star had a great crew around him.

But don't forget that defense. Adderley, Wood(an undrafted free agent if you can believe it!),underrated Henry Jordan, Willie Davis a sack machine before sacks were a statistic, and others.

I remember Currie was the Packers first round pick and wow if you can believe it Taylor was actually their second round pick.

Great draft that year for the Pack, as Jerry Kramer was a 4th round pick.



Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.

RIP Bart, you were a childhood hero.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 26, 2019, 07:19:32 PM

Oh, and some guy you may have heard of was their 3rd round pick. Some guy named Ray Nitschke.
Also Sprach Zarathustra is overrated.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 27, 2019, 02:02:41 PM
 It's the bassoons that make you say that right.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 03:49:09 PM
Did Bob Kraft get suspended, yet? Just checking in to see.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 29, 2019, 06:50:25 PM
We'll let you know numbnuts.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2019, 07:13:33 PM
heh

its funny the pathetic troll has posted shown far more interest in the sex life of a 75 year old guy than he has about football.

it seems he's more interested in foreskin than pigskin.

He may be disappointed.
Title: Real Question?
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers
Title: Re: Real Question?
Post by: CaptainCargo on May 31, 2019, 03:15:48 PM
When they erect his statue will it be wearing a towel and slippers

There's a deflate joke in there somewhere.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 05, 2019, 06:01:51 PM
Hey banks, you guys got any tight ends left?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 19, 2019, 05:43:53 PM
Is TB12 still trying to steal Tom Seaver's nickname? Can't you wait 'til he's dead, Brady?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 12:00:05 AM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh

Title: Re: NFL
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 20, 2019, 12:24:00 AM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 09:55:00 AM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.

Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on June 20, 2019, 07:31:46 PM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.

Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...

Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 21, 2019, 05:49:51 PM
Tom Weaver's nickname?

I remember Charlie Weaver. kind of a folksy sort, a TV charcter actor WBW, don't recall Tom Weaver.

heh
This being the NFL forum, Charlie Weaver was a linebacker for the Detroit Lions in the 70s.

Sonny Weaver Jr. was a GM for the...

Herman Weaver had a 50% completion rate, averaged 9.6 yards per attempt, and was never intercepted in his NFL career. Maybe that should be the player he's compared to. But old Thunderfoot was never one for media attention, despite sharing the career lead in one category.
Well, it is like holding the career record for striking out the most. If they keep you around despite a fair number of your punts being forcibly redirected the wrong way, you must be pretty good, otherwise.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 05:19:47 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 02, 2019, 06:06:44 PM
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 07:34:36 PM
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)

And fuck you, too. "Yank".
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 02, 2019, 07:38:07 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 07:56:52 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 08:09:59 PM
(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)

"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"

"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"

Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 02, 2019, 08:15:05 PM
(https://hawaii-seafood.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Trolling.jpg)

And fuck you, too. "Yank".
Heh.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 02, 2019, 08:29:23 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,
As racist as a cartoon frog. Blame your fellow white supremacists for befouling the symbol. Credit Kaepernick and the Wall Street Journal - which has escaped your condemnation for reasons I am sure have nothing to do with them not generally speaking being prominent black activists - for helping Nike avoid the pr nightmare of having their shoes flaunted and celebrated the worst people on God's good earth.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 02, 2019, 08:47:00 PM
(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/besty-ross-660x400.jpg)

"Why, Betsy, it's perfect! The circle representing the unity of the colonies against the King, right?"

"Oh, no, sir! That's supposed to be a noose, representing our commitment as white people to oppressing blacks!"

Fuck you, and your fucking horseshit.
Take it up with your fellow white supremicists. Not the ones pointing out how your people have excreted their filth on a patriotic symbol.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 08:48:19 PM
Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 03, 2019, 01:16:50 PM
Kiss my ass, you ignorant turd. Clearly you don't shit about fuck.

It's that we don't give a fuck about your shit. You almost had it right!

(https://i.etsystatic.com/16399689/r/il/a35cae/1401663812/il_794xN.1401663812_t0tn.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 03, 2019, 01:26:02 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 03, 2019, 04:17:11 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?

Good theory!

No, she eloped with Mr. Ross. That had not been her last name previously. (She went on to have two more last names in years to come, as she got married a 2nd and 3rd time, but nobody seems to pay much attention to that!)
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 10:13:53 AM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?

Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 10:17:54 AM
You should visit here: https://www.nmajh.org/ (https://www.nmajh.org/)

One of the best museums in a city known for great museums. I've been several times.

One thing you learn there is how influential Need were in helping develop American ideals, ideals that today, too many American Jews no longer support. Or they'd never become Republicans.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2019, 11:12:21 AM
Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.

And he lies to mislead.

for what useful purposes remains a mystery.

SSDD
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 11:55:26 AM
Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.

And he lies to mislead.

for what useful purposes remains a mystery.

SSDD

I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.

Dumbfuck.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2019, 12:05:17 PM
Its not surprisng the troll has as poor a grasp and understanding on how Jews express themselves politically as he does on stats in general.

And he lies to mislead.

for what useful purposes remains a mystery.

SSDD

I see you've compounded your ignorance, once again.

Dumbfuck.

what a compelling rebuttal you present.

You fucking moron, you make broad sweeping statements wholly unsupported by facts.

Because the facts kick your stupid arguments way up your ass where they originated.

If other religions in the US voted along similar party lines as US Jews historically have, the Republican party would be a deeply minority party, with no meaningful political voice.

why you bother with your lies is your concern.

But you're only fooling yourself.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: josh on July 04, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
Fuck this ignorant asshole!

And fuck Nike for listening to him!

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27102136/kaepernick-moves-nike-pull-flag-shoe)
As always, you give precisely the response one expects from a racist. Precisely.

Just the reaction we can expect from an illiberal liberal.

So the flag that originates in Philadelphia is racist? News to the Quakers,  and Pennsylvania, the most tolerant and inclusive of colonies,

The Quakers were tolerant of some things and not others.

There is a reason, after all, that they kicked Betsy Ross out upon her becoming Ross!

They found out she shortened the family name from Rosenberg?

Bad theory. Jews played an integral part of the community in Philadelphia at the time. They were banned from Boston.

No ban at the time of Betsy Ross, Ham. 150 years before that? Yep.

But even then, shortening the family name, had that happened, would have been cause enough for a Jewish family of the 1770s to cast her out - not because Philly wasn't welcoming of Jews, but because the Jewish people of that time were not particularly tolerant of folks who left them!