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Title: NBA
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:33:00 AM
Discuss the Nets chances this year.
Title: NBA
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
Who will go to the championship this season?
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on August 05, 2018, 12:55:43 PM
Anyone have a clue what the Nets are up to?

They look like a scrappy bad team.

I guess they picked up a few picks here and there.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 03:33:04 PM
Vegas book has Knix 13th out of 15 in the East with 29.5 W's
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-win-total-projections-las-vegas-sportsbook-releases-over-unders-for-every-teams-number-of-wins/

East Playoff teams:
Celtics, Raptors, Sixers, Pacers,
Bucks, Wizards, Heat (41.5), Pistons (37.5)
Then
Hornets, Nets, Magic, Cavs,
Knix, Bulls, Hawks

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 03:45:34 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-2018-player-movement-signings-trades-offseason-grades-for-every-team/
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 20, 2018, 02:03:59 AM
Basketball Reference has a one page listing of every player's contract: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Just too bad it isn't sortable by position, which would allow useful comparisons.

[out of the Top 30 salaries, there's maybe 8 guys I'd pay what they're getting]
Title: Goat Cheese
Post by: Kam on August 22, 2018, 07:28:49 PM
Imagine if all the NBA owners got together and purchased an NFL franchise.

You could see LeBron play year round.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 27, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
Ginobili has retired.

Wonder if he'd stick around another year if Kawhi didn't bolt and SAS were a genuine contender.

Manu had a crazy legged style, introduced the Euro-step, and always seemed to make big plays -- steals, elbow 3's, a drive left to the rim, whatever.  Played with energy and passion and just had a different rhythm than everyone else.  Great competitor.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 08, 2018, 08:53:44 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


1. I began my career overseas but still played 15 NBA Seasons, for 6 different teams
2. I was once in a trade involving Brad Miller and in another trade involving Vince Carter
3. I merited consideration for 6th man of the year by my sophomore season.
4. I once won the Most Improved Player award.
5. I played two different stints for the Orlando Magic
6. I am currently the president of the Turkish Basketball Federation.
7. My last name rhymes with the full name of the coach of the Cavaliers
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 16, 2018, 01:47:14 AM
Really?  No guesses?  Is it too obvious or too obscure?
Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 16, 2018, 08:37:45 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


1. I began my career overseas but still played 15 NBA Seasons, for 6 different teams
2. I was once in a trade involving Brad Miller and in another trade involving Vince Carter
3. I merited consideration for 6th man of the year by my sophomore season.
4. I once won the Most Improved Player award.
5. I played two different stints for the Orlando Magic
6. I am currently the president of the Turkish Basketball Federation.
7. My last name rhymes with the full name of the coach of the Cavaliers

I am Hedo Turkoglu
Title: The 4 point shot
Post by: Kam on October 20, 2018, 09:36:21 PM
Any shot taken from behind the half-court line as the time expires in any of the first three quarters of the game.

Don't want it to mess with end-game strategy. Or strategy in general. It should just be a lucky shot.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on October 22, 2018, 02:04:14 AM

Los 20
Les 21
Biz 23
Ade 23
BoD 23
Bank 24
Nagel 25
Zup 30
Yank 30
Ike 31
J Straw 31
Early 32
Chip 33
Kam 33
Fac 34
Klint 36
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on October 22, 2018, 02:04:57 AM
Really?  No guesses?  Is it too obvious or too obscure?

People don't check into this forum, Kam. Post in the Knicks forum next time!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 22, 2018, 05:27:56 AM
No, it's good to keep this thread going.
I was on vacation.
And when I got back I skimmed your question too quickly and didn't realize you were looking for one person and not 9 different players.  And your answer was there already anyway.

Hedo was a pretty solid player.  Could do a lot (except defend).
I had a Turkish youth basketball team assure me that Ilyasova was the real deal and would be a better NBA pro than Turkoglu.
Ilya had skills, but not the drive or tenacity.  Hedo had a better career.  More skilled more consistent, played harder.

Otherwise I really should have taken 22 W's and filled in the empty slot.  Go for the win not the tie.  But I was just back and catching up on things quickly.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 22, 2018, 02:40:53 PM
Really?  No guesses?  Is it too obvious or too obscure?

People don't check into this forum, Kam. Post in the Knicks forum next time!

They should check into this forum. There's like .... just five posts before mine.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 25, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%

1. I played for 4 teams over 12 seasons, including Sacramento, Toronto, Detroit, and Philadelphia
2. The Kings drafted me in 1995 and traded me north of the border for Doug Christie. 
3. I was later in a trade for Eric Montross and Jerome "Junkyard Dog" Williams
4. I was once the 6th man of the year
5. I am currently an assistant coach for the Phoenix Suns
6. I won an NBA Championship
7. My nickname given to me during AAU ball was 'Big Nasty'
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 05:39:21 PM
That's Corliss Williamson.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 25, 2018, 05:50:25 PM
That's Corliss Williamson.

Right on.  How many clues did it take?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
I was pretty sure after two clues, the next 4 didn't add or subtract from certainty, and the last confirmed it.   
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 25, 2018, 09:38:11 PM
Good job.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 26, 2018, 01:58:49 AM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%

1. I was traded (as a future pick) before I ever played an NBA game for Bobby Jackson.


2. I was a 2nd round pick. (#32 overall)


3. I was a two time All-Star


4. I played for 6 teams over 15 seasons


Rest of the clues to follow...  (if necessary)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 26, 2018, 11:43:40 AM


5. I was drafted by the Seattle Supersonics


6. I played for, and reached the NBA finals with both Florida expansion franchises


7. I won an NBA championship with the Miami Heat alongside another former Supersonic Ray Allen
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on October 26, 2018, 12:06:19 PM
‘Shard Lewis. Sweet stroke. A likely model for Knox, though they let guys like that develop and apply their handles more in today’s “freedom of movement” NBA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:11:32 PM
Correcto.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%

1. I played for 2 teams over 12 seasons, retiring with the PHX Suns
2. I scored 57 points in a game vs the Utah Jazz, the most ever in a game for a 2nd round pick
3. I held the record for most 3 pointers in a quarter with eight vs the Houston Rockets.  Until Klay Thompson broke it in 2015.
4. I made the 2004 All-Star game
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Need more clues?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:29:02 PM
5. I was drafted #43 and played 11 seasons for the Milwaukee Bucks
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:29:47 PM
6. I was paired with a Penn at Ohio State
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
7. My last name is a color
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 29, 2018, 05:36:03 PM
That's Michael Redd.  Number 3 did it for me.
Title: Yankguy is an Expert
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:56:19 PM
Boo-YA!  Michael Reddish.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 06:34:55 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA despite being an afterthought to the team that selected me with the final pick in the 2nd round
2. Aside from my original team that drafted me I also played for three other teams; Vancouver, Cleveland and Orlando
3. I share the name of a US President
4. Averaging 14 points and 3 assists per game for my career i'm by far the best player from my college, University of Tennessee at Chatanooga

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 08:35:17 PM
More clues:




5. In my final season I got to play on the same team with my brother
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 08:36:08 PM
More clues:



6. I was once referred to as "The Jordan Stopper"  (as in Michael Jordan)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 08:36:46 PM
Final clue:


7. My older brother is a lot more famous than me.  (But not as famous as Michael Jordan)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 29, 2018, 10:08:07 PM
Klay with 52 in 27 mins.
14 3's.
Way to bust out of a slump ...
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 31, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
Nets v. Pistons
Both teams started off 0-5 FG.
It was 2-1 after 3 minutes.

Tangelo 1-7 in the 1Q.
Looks disinterested.

DET has looked bad both games I saw them.
Blake running into double teams and losing the ball.
Pachulia leading DET in scoring after 1Q.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Kam on October 31, 2018, 09:24:10 PM
The NETS should move to Seattle.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on November 03, 2018, 05:52:31 AM
That's harsh.
Seattleans can just drive to Portland for an NBA game.
Where can Brooklynites go?


Nets gave up a winnable game v. Rockettes.
BKY had been attacking Melo in switches for profit.
Then stopped doing that in the 4Q when he had 4 fouls. 
Odd.  HOU was shorthanded and Melo is a weak defender.
Also tangelo sat out the entire 4Q and the Nets offense stagnated badly the last 5 mins.  Not sure if there was a reason for that, but they could have used a creator and just a different combination of players out there.

CP3 got into his ultra-competitive mode and made plays good and bad.
Enough good to W it up.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 08:08:15 AM
So that was Gerald Wilkins, oui?


Malik Monk 7-45 FG  (15%) his last 5 games, including 2-26 on 3's (8%).  Bringing his shooting %'s below his rook season failures.
And basically that's all Monk does is shoot. 

His splits are highly divergent:
Home 8 games 20.6 mins  4.6-10.5 FG  44.0% [on 3's] 2.1-5.6 37.8%
Road  8 games 22.3 mins  2.9-11.0 FG  26.1%  [on 3's] 1.3-6.1 20.4%

So his Home shooting is slightly above average, while his Road shooting is abysmal.

NBA lifestyle to blame?
Tues-Thurs he's shot fairly well, Fri-Mon he's been bad.
Could just be stat noise, or this guy is partying too much on the Road and weekends.  Not easy having a $3M million dollar salary and being 20 years old.

Quick googling:
Feb 20, 2018:
Quote
Monk was driving near the University of Arkansas around 5:46 AM when his red 2002 Lexus ran off the road and crashed into a gate.
University police responded and cited the 20-year-old for careless driving and no proof of insurance.

Unlikely he was just up real early going to a morning workout.
He was also set to check into a pre-season game but discovered he didn't have a jersey on under his warmups.
A stoner?  Knucklehead?   JEarl Smith type?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 08:41:13 AM
So maybe Celts are better without Kyrie? ? ?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 10:32:03 AM
Probably not.

If I was to finger point I'd choose a few someone elsee before KI.

the Celts aren't hitting their 3s, and since they take a lot of them, it kind of kills the offense,

They may want to play a little more aggresively, make the next pass, drive to the basket, and try to draw fouls. (they are 2nd worse at getting to the line).

I suspect they'll get out of this O-funk.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 10:41:05 AM
It seems everyone is playing worse this year -- Horford, Jaylen, Tatum, Rozier.  They looked hungrier and played harder and with more energy without Kyrie.  More team play.  Better D too with Smart and Rozier at the point.

If you need a bucket in the last minute or two, I want Kyrie on my team.  Otherwise, he's up and down, weak on D, and more Me than Team, imo.  Not a fave of mine.

And yes, they do have enough talent that they should turn things around.  But they need playoff success more than regular season.
I'd be working on getting Horford in the flow on both ends.  When he's on, it's make them much tougher.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 11:00:01 AM
The biggest fall-off has been Brown and Rozier. And Horford's outside shot is missing, but he generally plays hard.

I mostly thinkits a rotational thing, figuring outs minutes, AND guys are settling for quick 3s. And they're missing. (Brown has been brutal)

But they do play pretty good team D, but have been burned by some out unworldly shooting, last night it was Walker who went off in the 4th qtr.

I don't get upset at that.

i get pissed at no effort and lazy ball.

I'd like to see them get more pro-active, drive to the hoop, and get to the line.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 11:24:31 AM
So that was Gerald Wilkins, oui?



Correct!
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 10 NBA Seasons, all for the same franchise that drafted me.  Just not the first franchise that drafted me. (Yes i was drafted twice)
2. I was something of an NBA iron man. I never missed more than 3 games in a season. Typically playing 81 or 82 games until my final season (still managed 64 games that year)
3. I won the Defensive Player of the Year award twice, and I made the All-Star team once. Pretty good for a 4th round pick.
4. Heck I was drafted in the 5th round a few years earlier
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
5. I was a little used reserve at UCLA under Larry Brown where - like the NBA later - i averaged more rebounds than points
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:34:32 PM
6. I finished with career averages of: 6 points 8 rebounds and 3.5 blocks per game for my NBA career.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:35:04 PM
7. My #53 is retired.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
5. I was a little used reserve at UCLA under Larry Brown where - like the NBA later - i averaged more rebounds than points

Mark Eaton
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:49:25 PM
5. I was a little used reserve at UCLA under Larry Brown where - like the NBA later - i averaged more rebounds than points

Mark Eaton

Correct!

Eaton was drafted by the Phoenix Suns in the 1979 NBA draft with the 107th pick in the 5th round. He was eligible to be drafted because he was already four years out of high school in 1979. However, he opted to return to college basketball.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 20, 2018, 01:06:51 PM
Well that's Mark Eaton. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 01:19:16 PM
Well that's Mark Eaton.

Correct! 

Larry Farmer was the head coach of UCLA from 1981 to 1984, guiding them to a 61–23 (.726) record. He had recruited Earvin "Magic" Johnson to come play at UCLA, but then told Johnson to hold off on a visit as he was more interested in Albert King.[20] Neither played for UCLA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 02:04:58 PM
Hint #3 gave me a few names to toy with.
#6 gave me the answer.

Not too many folks average 3.5 blocks per.
Actually no one but Eaton.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
Okay, I got one.

The 6th Man of the Year was instituted for the '82-'83 season.

Since then only 3 players have won 6th Man with an average of 20+ Pts/game. 
And only 3 players have won 6th Man honors with an average below 10 Pts/game.
Both are impressive.

Name those 6th bench greats.

Bonus:  Who is the only player to win 6th Man while playing under 20 mins/game?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 20, 2018, 02:26:13 PM
Well that's Mark Eaton.

Correct! 

Larry Farmer was the head coach of UCLA from 1981 to 1984, guiding them to a 61–23 (.726) record. He had recruited Earvin "Magic" Johnson to come play at UCLA, but then told Johnson to hold off on a visit as he was more interested in Albert King.[20] Neither played for UCLA.
Hard to believe, but coming out of high school Albert King was more highly rated than Magic (as was Gene Banks).  That was a really good high school class.  Not only those 3 guys but Jeff Ruland (a far, far better player than people seem to remember), Jeff Lamp (a great college player), Darnell Valentine, Al Wood, Kelly Tripucka and a bunch more.   
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Okay, I got one.

The 6th Man of the Year was instituted for the '82-'83 season.

Since then only 3 players have won 6th Man with an average of 20+ Pts/game. 
And only 3 players have won 6th Man honors with an average below 10 Pts/game.
Both are impressive.

Name those 6th bench greats.

Bonus:  Who is the only player to win 6th Man while playing under 20 mins/game?

20+:

Jamal Crawford
Lou Williams

10-:

Dennis Rodman
Andrei Kirilenko
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
1. LouW had 22.6 PPG last year when he won 6-Man

x Jamal topped out at 18.6 PPG in his 3 Awards.

xx RodMan & Ak47 never won 6th Man.
They both started a lot after a few early seasons.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 07:42:41 PM
Wiz down 19 at Home after 1Q (to the CLips).

Was tried starting Oubre.
Not working.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 09:34:24 PM
Was Ben Wallace a 6th man under 10?

Harden over 20?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2018, 04:51:03 AM
x  Harden was 6th Man once with a 16.8 PPG average

x  Ben Wallace never was a 6th Man winner
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 21, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Okay, I got one.

The 6th Man of the Year was instituted for the '82-'83 season.

Since then only 3 players have won 6th Man with an average of 20+ Pts/game. 
And only 3 players have won 6th Man honors with an average below 10 Pts/game.
Both are impressive.

Name those 6th bench greats.

Bonus:  Who is the only player to win 6th Man while playing under 20 mins/game?

Give me the bonus.

Just checked my recollection with the google machine, Bill "What a long strange trip its been" Walton won the 6th man award in '85-86 with the Celts playing just under 20 mpg and scoring under 8 ppg.   
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2018, 10:51:12 AM
Bill Walton fewest minutes (19.6) and Points (7.6) for a 6th Man winner.  When he was on the Celts of course.

20+ Pts per game
1.
2. Lou Williams  22.6
3.

<10  PPG
1. Bill Walton  7.6
2.
3.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 21, 2018, 04:50:42 PM
Under 10?
Detlef Shrempf

Over 20?
Eric Gordon
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2018, 05:40:48 PM
Under 10?
Detlef Shrempf

16.1 & 17.3 in his two 6th man campaigns.
Guy put the ball in the basket.

You need to think defenders.

Quote
Over 20?
Eric Gordon

16.2

The two other 20+ 6th Men go back a ways.
Classic bench scorers of their day.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on November 30, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Andrew Toney, Michael Cooper?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2018, 11:34:51 AM
Andrew Toney, Michael Cooper?

Right type of player, but neither won the award.

Some hints:
1) Of the under 10 point 6th Men, one was a Knick when he won.

2) the other sub-10 Pt 6th Man was a teammate of one of your two above guesses.
______________________________

3) Of the 20+ scorers, one won the 6th Man award twice. 
Was considered the classic 6th man scorer of his day.  Late 80's.

4) The other 20+ 6th Man writes a column for Hoopshype now and then.


New Bonus Q

3 Knix won 6th Man of the Year.
And one ex-Knick.
Who was they?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 30, 2018, 02:21:48 PM
Fat Lever
Anthony Mason
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on November 30, 2018, 02:28:09 PM
(3) Ricky Pierce and (4) Eddie Johnson were the scorers, thanks for the hints

1) Anthony Mason, of course 2) Kurt Rambis? Mychal Thompson? Bobby Jones? Mo Cheeks? I really have no idea.

Bonus is a bit easier: Starks, Mason, Earl plus Crawford
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
Well, thanks for reviving the question.
Correct on the Knix.

20+ 6th Men:

1989-90  Ricky Pierce    MIL  23.0 Pts
2017-18  Lou Williams   LAC  22.6
1988-89  Eddie Johnson PHO 21.5 

Although it's kind of line drawing, as McHale averaged 19.8; Terry 19.6; Manu & Pierce again 19.5. At least all 3 top scorers were above 21 PPG, and didn't just skim over 20.

Ricky Pierce scored nearly 15K Points in his career, while coming off the bench over 70% of the time.  Pretty impressive.


As for low-scoring 6th Men, Bobby Jones was the final one.
Another classic 6th Man.

The list of lowest scoring 6th men Winners:

1994-95  Anthony Mason  NYK  9.9
1982-83  Bobby Jones  PHI  9.0
1985-86  Bill Walton    BOS  7.6

Next lowest scoring winner was another '6er Aaron Mckie (11.9 Pts)
Bill Walton's mere 7.6 is pretty amazing.  Walton was a hair under 20 mpg.  While most of these 6th Men winners averaged around 30 mins per.

Here's a link to the full sortable list: https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/smoy.html

Fun to recall such names as Darrell Armstrong; Roy Tarpley, Dell Curry, Bobby Jackson, Danny Manning, etc.  I remember that one year when Rodney Rogers was just killing it.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on December 03, 2018, 03:26:16 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA for four different teams
2. I was a 9 time All-Star and All-Star game MVP once
3. I was a part of the original "Dream Team" that demolished opponents by 44 ppg
4. I'm a hall of famer as a player and a coach
Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: bankshot1 on December 04, 2018, 12:36:10 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA for four different teams
2. I was a 9 time All-Star and All-Star game MVP once
3. I was a part of the original "Dream Team" that demolished opponents by 44 ppg
4. I'm a hall of famer as a player and a coach

Kam would the following be true?

5. I did not play on the Dream Team.

6. I last pro-coached the Knicks?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on December 04, 2018, 01:01:31 PM
You’re thinking Lenny was an assistant on the Dream Team
Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on December 04, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA for four different teams
2. I was a 9 time All-Star and All-Star game MVP once
3. I was a part of the original "Dream Team" that demolished opponents by 44 ppg
4. I'm a hall of famer as a player and a coach

Kam would the following be true?

5. I did not play on the Dream Team.

6. I last pro-coached the Knicks?

BINGO
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:28:25 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I was born in New Jersey and played 10 Seasons in the NBA for 3 Team with career per game averages of 17 pt 4 reb 3 ast.
2. I once was the career points leader for my final franchise but lost that designation in my final season.
3. I was drafted in the first round #12 by the Detroit Pistons
4. I was a two-time All-Star, even making the game in my Rookie campaign.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:43:31 PM















5. I was a 4-year Starter at Notre Dame
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:46:08 PM










6.  I never won a championship, but i was traded for the guy who was traded for the guy who helped the Pistons finally win.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:50:13 PM









7.  After retiring from the Hornets as their #2 scorer all time I did TV color commentary for Detroit, New Jersey, and New York
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 06, 2018, 01:53:45 PM
That's Kelly Tripucka.  Got it with a combination of New Jersey and picked #12 by Detroit. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 05:06:30 PM
That's Kelly Tripucka.  Got it with a combination of New Jersey and picked #12 by Detroit.

Correct!

After two frustrating seasons with the Jazz, he was traded to the Charlotte Hornets (a new expansion team at the time) for Mike Brown. In his first season with the Hornets, he returned to his All-Star form, leading the Hornets with 22.6 points per game.

In a game between the Hornets and the Jazz in 1989, shortly after Layden resigned as the Jazz's coach, Karl Malone expressed his devotion to Layden by writing "FRANK" on the heels of his sneakers. In a mock gesture, Tripucka responded by writing "DICK" on the back of his shoes (for then-Hornets coach Dick Harter).

The move was seen as a jab at Layden and Malone, who Tripucka felt ran him out of Utah. In Tripucka's second season with the Hornets, he averaged 15.6 points per game, but the team struggled, finishing one game behind their inaugural season's record. The 1990–91 season, Tripucka's third with the Hornets and tenth overall, saw him average career lows with only 7 points, 2.3 rebounds and 2.1 assists per game, as he came off the bench. Following the season, Tripucka retired from the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 05:20:50 PM
I was worried the New Jersey and Notre Dame clues would give it away.  Kudos to Yankguy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Despite only 5 seasons with the team (the last three included playoffs), Tripucka was voted among the "50 Greatest Pistons" in 2008

Tripucka is one of 6 Pistons to score 40 in a playoff game.  The other 5 are:

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 08, 2018, 02:29:31 AM
With Embiid out (rest) Drummond didn't do much 4Q, guarded by
Muscala and sometimes Wil.  One time Drum had Butler posted up and DET didn't get him the ball. 

Muscala played great.  Guarded Drummond well.  Snuffed out drives -- 3 blocks and forced kickouts often.  And he was bombing in 3's when DRummond didn't want to go out so far.  Plus on a Jose botch to end the 3Q.

Stanjohn was out (knee -- maybe why he couldn't hit a shot last game), making it easier for Butler.  So kind of an odd game.  Blake had 24 FT's.  Amir fouled out in just 16 mins.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 11, 2018, 07:22:51 AM
Jamal Crawford hit a game winner for Phoenix last month, his tenth career winner in the last 10 secs of a game. Five active players, all headed to Springfield, have hit more. I'll be shocked if anyone can name all five without getting one wrong, despite that hint.

xxx 19
xxx 15
xxx 14
xxx 11
xxx  11
J Crossover 10
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2018, 10:42:32 AM
Jamal Crawford hit a game winner for Phoenix last month, his tenth career winner in the last 10 secs of a game. Five active players, all headed to Springfield, have hit more. I'll be shocked if anyone can name all five without getting one wrong, despite that hint.

xxx 19
xxx 15
xxx 14
xxx 11
xxx  11
J Crossover 10

lets go with

LeBron
KD
Harden
P. Gasol
Blake Griffin

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 11, 2018, 12:32:21 PM
I'd go with:
LeBJ
Wade
Melo
Dirk
Vince

well, we agreed on one ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 12, 2018, 05:38:27 AM
Where's our answer?

I guess I can try to look it up.

Okay i'll rank 'em while I wait:

Wade 19
Melo  15
Vince   14
LeBJ  11
Dirk 11
J Crossover 10

Ranking is somewhat tough.
Maybe flip Vince and Dirk(?)
Remember Vince was the go to guy on TOR & NJN.
And LeBJ low on the list as he used to be criticized for passing up last second shots.  He deferred to his passing gene, and in MIA, he shared those with Wade.

Melo (and Pierce) were the clutch gusy of their generation, and Melo was always the Guy to take end game shots his whole career (until OKC).

I went with the Old Guard, Bank with the younger crowd.
KD had to share last second shots with Westbrook and now Scurry/Klay.  And KD used to botch a lot of endgame situations in OKC.
harden sure gets ops and is probably getting close, though he seems to score a lot the last 3 to 5 mins, but his buzzer beaters seem to usually be off.  At least in my mind.

Blake had to share with CP3 (who is a pretty good guess himself).  While I wouldn't have thought of Pa Gasol at all.  Means you have to think of his MEMf days.  Kobe would have hogged all the LAL shots, except maybe for a rebound tip-in.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on December 12, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
Quote
...Bank with the younger crowd...

I wagged it, off the top my Spalding, took about a minute. Almost went with Melo, as he's a chucker, but passed, something he rarely did. 

Dirk and Wade are probably on it. I like your list better.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 12, 2018, 12:07:39 PM
Article on players/agents/contracts in the CBA (China Basketball Ass.)
https://hoopshype.com/2018/12/10/chinese-basketball-free-agents-negotiations-pierre-aaron-jackson/

Towards the end talks about how contracts in China have become more partially or non-guaranteed.  And how quickly teams bail on a US player not putting up BIG #'s.

This caught my eye:
Quote
A contract in China is 50-pages long because it’s written in both Chinese and English. We have a clause that says the English portion of the contract supersedes the Chinese portion. That way if there’s ever a dispute, the English portion is what prevails.”

Beyer said that some clubs insist that the Chinese portion supersedes the English section. Oftentimes, he says, this is because they’ve had a bad experience with a sleazy agent who changed terms in the English portion and proceeded to screw them over. However, most teams and agents are professional and just want to ensure everyone’s on the same page regarding the contract’s terms.

Well, under Chinese law every contract in China must be in Chinese and the Chinese version is always controlling over any translation.  Even if the contract specifies otherwise.  So such a clause would be unenforceable in China where the team and its money resides.
The English-controlling clause would be valid in US courts, but it would likely be hard to recoup money that way.  Though could help to negotiate a settlement.

They change the game rules for foreigners in China a lot, so I'm not even up on what the limits are.  The article says now it's only two foreigners allowed per team (a few years ago was 3), and they can play in a combined 6 quarters.  But I think it's not that 1 foreigner can play in the 4Q as the article states, but rather one at a time.  Which is maybe what they meant.  Or maybe you have to choose which of your 2 foreigners is your 4Q player.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 11:53:54 AM
Jamal Crawford hit a game winner for Phoenix last month, his tenth career winner in the last 10 secs of a game. Five active players, all headed to Springfield, have hit more. I'll be shocked if anyone can name all five without getting one wrong, despite that hint.

xxx 19
xxx 15
xxx 14
xxx 11
xxx  11
J Crossover 10

lets go with

LeBron
KD
Harden
P. Gasol
Blake Griffin

Amazingly, these are all wrong. Some were good guesses, but none correct.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 11:55:12 AM
Where's our answer?

I guess I can try to look it up.

Okay i'll rank 'em while I wait:

Wade 19
Melo  15
Vince   14
LeBJ  11
Dirk 11
J Crossover 10


Four of five correct (and Lebron, I've already revealed, is the wrong answer). Somehow none in the right rank, however.

Care to take one last guess at the last pick? Hint: he has played with two of those on Bank's list.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 13, 2018, 12:22:02 PM
Russbrook?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 12:27:51 PM
Russbrook?

Good guess! Incorrect!

Melo 19
Vince 15
Dirk 14
Wade 11
xxx 11
J Crossover 10
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 13, 2018, 01:05:00 PM
Chris Paulo
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 13, 2018, 01:50:20 PM
Well, I mentioned Chris Paul with regard to Blake above.

So I got 2 of the 3 with more than 11.
I just had Wade way too high.

Not surprised Melo led the way.  He was great in the crunch for DEN, and must have had a few for the Knicks as well (my memory works better for general patterns than specifics these days).

Paul over Westbrook -- these are career based, so the greybeards have the advantage of longevity.  Plus Rustbrook had to share with Durant.  Westbrook also seems like the guy who ties the game to send it to overtime, more than the game winner type . . .
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Yeah, both Melo and Vince are under-appreciated by the analytics types who can't measure how hard it is to conjure game winning shots in those situations, when percentages tend to tumble.

Thad Young recently said how much he hates getting the ball at the end of shot clocks, because he knows he can't make something happen. It's hard. Those are low percentage shots. There's a lot of value people don't get in a guy who can change a 20% opportunity into a 40% opportunity.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 21, 2018, 07:49:04 AM
Strange DAL-LAC game.
CLips were ahead a little going into the 4Q.
Career high 32 for Doncic.
But he was on the bench when DAL took the lead early-mid 4Q, going with a Mejri/Kleber twin tower look.  Mej with 3 assists in 9 mins.  Barea running P'nR's.  Both Bigs crashing the boards.

Then Doncic and the starters come back and DAL blows the lead.
Doncic horribly clanks a step back 3, had another bad shot and a turnover during the Clips comeback.  But these didn't hurt that much as DeAndretheGiant got the O-rebound on both Doncic misses.

Then in the final 1'30" with DAL down 6 or so, Doncic hits a stepback 3 and gets a horrible Clip pass into traffic and goes end to end with Avery Bradley hounding him (and fouling him on the wrist on the layup, which the refs didn't see/call).  Doncic complained, rightly so.
Doncic's heroics were just a bit too late.

As I keep saying, there's a good deal of slop in his game, and he's erratic, but he does seem to pull it together in crunch time (this one was miss then hit).  Still an unquestionably talented player.  Fun to watch.  Got 13 FT's in this game.

Gallo played well (32 Pts) and hit a Big straight-on 3.
Montrezl was a beast.
LouWill another hero for LAC.

Fun game.  a 39-36 4Q.  (I didn't see too much else). Both teams were more scrappy than good.  But they both battled hard.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 21, 2018, 09:33:13 AM
Could it be?

Austin Rivers to Rockets?

Good for the kid.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 02:23:16 AM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I was drafted by the Dallas Mavericks
2. I attended High School on Long Island
3. I played in a NCAA Final Four
4. I'm an NBA Champion
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 02:24:28 AM
Extra Clues:











Here they come:






5.  I'm an Italian league Champion  (1993)




(Fun fact:  I won the Italian championship prior to winning in the NBA )
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 02:26:42 AM
More clues:








6. I played in the 1984 Olympics
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 05:04:05 PM

6. I played in the 1984 Olympics

7.  After graduating from St. Johns under Lou Carneseca
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 05:04:43 PM
8.  I played for Canada
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 15, 2019, 05:31:38 PM
That's Bill Wennington.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 06:41:41 PM
That's Bill Wennington.

Dollar Dollar Bill Y'all!

Correct.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: lesterluv on February 02, 2019, 09:01:26 AM


As I keep saying, there's a good deal of slop in his game, and he's erratic, but he does seem to pull it together in crunch time (this one was miss then hit).  Still an unquestionably talented player.  Fun to watch.  Got 13 FT's in this game.



Guy clanks bunches of easy ones and aces the hardest shots you'll ever see. The strangest thing. Seems like it should be fixable through some kind of therapy. Very much looking forward to seeing him work with KP.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 29, 2019, 01:21:22 PM
8 players have won an Olympic gold medal and 4 or more NBA titles.
Who be they?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 29, 2019, 01:30:50 PM
Pippen, Jordan, Magic, Kobe, Russell, K.C. Jones.......
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 29, 2019, 01:36:37 PM
Duncan, Ginobli AND.....dammit
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 29, 2019, 03:04:26 PM
You've got 7 of 8.

Dunkin Donuts didn't do diddley in Da Olympics (bronzed medal)

I thought the old Celts would be the hardest ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 29, 2019, 03:08:44 PM
While you're working on the 8th man, here's another question:

Q: Only 4 players have been named all-NBA 1st team in their first 8 seasons.  Who they?

Bonus: who has the record with all-NBA 1st team in his first 10 NBA campaigns?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 31, 2019, 10:05:14 AM
8 players have won an Olympic gold medal and 4 or more NBA titles.
Who be they?
Pippen, Jordan, Magic, Kobe, Russell, K.C. Jones.......
Duncan, Ginobili AND.....dammit

No, not Toby Dammit, it was . . . SHAQ.

Ginobili the only int'l. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 31, 2019, 10:06:49 AM
Q: Only 4 players have been named all-NBA 1st team in their first 8 seasons.  Who they?

Bonus: who has the record with all-NBA 1st team in his first 10 NBA campaigns?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 31, 2019, 11:01:03 AM
bird........
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 31, 2019, 11:10:04 AM
Bird indeed.
That's one.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2019, 11:40:32 AM
WAG

Oscar

Cousy

KAJ

Bird

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 31, 2019, 12:17:46 PM
Larry Bird (nine seasons)
Oscar Robertson (nine seasons)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 31, 2019, 02:30:53 PM
Bob Pettit.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 31, 2019, 05:13:32 PM
Bob Pettit is the winner with a full decade of 1st Team All-NBA right out of the gate.

One other player was 1st team in his first 8 seasons.
The most recent to do it.
Think of a guy who came into the NBA fully formed from Day One to take on the League.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 03, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
1st team All-NBA first 8 or more years of their career:

Pettit - 10 years
Bird  -   9 years
Oscar -  9 years
Duncan - 8 years

Any guesses on the other guy who did it 8 years in a row to start his career?  Most recent guy to do it.  Not long retired
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 03, 2019, 04:13:00 PM
i googled after wagging, and the 4th guy is the guy the Celts tanked for, and why Rick Pitino went to Boston. Tim Duncan.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 03, 2019, 05:32:55 PM
Quite an achievement to be considered the best at your position Y1 on through the next 7+ seasons.

Cuts out teenagers such as Kobe, LeBJ, KG.
Jordan was 2nd team in his rook year, then limited to 17 games Y2 after he broke his foot.  Wilt got blocked twice from 1st team by Russ.
Title: Vlade Divac
Post by: Kam on April 07, 2019, 07:18:12 PM
Hall of Famer
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 07:28:49 PM
39 Kings wins puts him in   :)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on April 07, 2019, 08:07:43 PM
I'm guessing his international play did it.  His NBA career was okay and at times very good.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 12, 2019, 08:17:47 AM
NBA pool picks

Round 1 winners

Bucks in 4
Raptors in 5
Sixers in 7
Celtics in 5

Warriors in 5
Nuggets in 6
Thunder in 7
Rockets in 5


Bracket

Bucks over Celts
Raptors over Sixers
Rockers over Warriors
Nuggets over Thunder

Raptors v Nuggets

RAPTORS champs

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 12, 2019, 09:25:41 AM
NBA pool picks

Round 1

Sixers in 5
Raptors in 5
Warriors in 4
Nuggets in 6
Celtics in 7
Thunder in 6
Bucks in 5
Rockets in 6



ROUND 2
 
Raptors over Sixers in 6
Bucks over Celtics in 7
Warriors over Rockets in 5
Thunder over Nuggets in 7

Round 3  (Conference Finals)

Raptors over Bucks in 7
Warriors over Thunder in 5

FINALS

Warriors over Raptors in 5.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on April 12, 2019, 12:41:50 PM
Sorry Yank, my picks are pretty much exactly the same as yours. I strongly considered Sixers all the way to the Finals, I think they look great. But I think Toronto has another gear (Boston does too, but I'm pessimistic they find it).


FIRST ROUND

Bucks in 4
Raptors in 5
Sixers in 5
Celtics in 6
Warriors in 4
Nuggets in 7
Thunder in 6
Rockets in 6

CONF SEMIS

Bucks in 6
Raptors in 7
Warriors in 6
Thunder in 6

CONF FINALS

Raptors in 6
Warriors in 5

FINALS

Warriors in 5
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 12, 2019, 12:49:14 PM
It looks like neither of us love the Nuggets.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 12, 2019, 01:17:10 PM
I thought PHI looked shaky at the end of the season.  Embiid not running well.  Never figured out a bench rotation or who to trust.  Mike Scott seems to be 6th man and he's a classic mistake player (including dumb fouls).  Amir and Jon Simmons were never given much run.  Do they trust Bolden over Amir in the playoffs? McConnell's role didn't seem settled.  Zhaire and Shaky Milton don't look ready.  Poor bench play could kill them.

I also have a Raps - Warriors Finals.
Been with that for over a month now.
Don't trust good teams with little experience -- MIL, DEN, PHI.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 12, 2019, 01:24:22 PM
It looks like neither of us love the Nuggets.

heh
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 12, 2019, 01:33:46 PM
Well I don't know things like you do, Kid.


JIMMER!!!!!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on April 12, 2019, 03:47:27 PM
It looks like neither of us love the Nuggets.

I just can't get excited about teams lacking the requisite experience. Same issue with Milwaukee.

Philly I think has the most talent in the East, but it's hard to gel when you're best five - possibly the only five you really trust, plus maybe TJ - have only played 10 games together.

I'm not entertaining the Warriors not winning. Let's see if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 15, 2019, 07:13:05 AM
UTA played a frustrating game against the Rockettes.
They made a lot of careless, bad passes.  But also 2 or 3 where the catcher just took his eye off the ball, or the zip on the pass was a little too much.  mnay of these occurred 3Q when they were trying to keep close.

Also, Harden picked up his 4th foul with 7:19 left in the 3Q.
And UTA never tried to take advantage.
Once Gobert posted Harden, got the ball, and HOU was called for a defensive 3 secs.  [Don Mitchell missed the Tech FT].   A few minutes later Gobert with the ball in the post v. Harden and merely passed out.  <sigh>

I thought they should have spent effort exploiting Harden.
Either draw a 5th foul on him and make him sit, or he plays cautious D and thy score.  Harden so integral to HOU's whole effort.  Plus making Harden work on D isn't a bad way to try to slow down his O.  It was a 7 point HOU lead when Harden got his 4th foul.  7:19 left in 3Q.  Harden stays in for another 5:20 and it's a 12 point lead when he exits with 1:55 left.

Quinn the Mighty Coach didn't try that.
Maybe it wouldn't have mattered, as HOU's bench ups the lead to 17 v. UTA's bench before harden returns 4Q.
But the 3Q was an opp that UTA blew.  Should have tried to tag a 5th foul on Harden to change the outlook.

Otherwise Jingles needs to be more aggressive.  While Rubio spotting up in the corner doesn't scare anyone.
Title: Pick ONE guy
Post by: Kam on April 17, 2019, 02:41:14 PM
Luka Doncic vs Ben Simmons
Title: Re: Pick ONE guy
Post by: thebizneverloses on April 19, 2019, 12:37:42 PM
Luka Doncic vs Ben Simmons

Luka. Higher ceiling. More committed to being great.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2019, 10:40:47 PM
2 series down

5 points

Celts - 2
Bucks - 2 + 1 bonus
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2019, 09:05:57 AM
Reminder - for the points pool get your pick in before each series starts

I know most of you have picks already set for Bos-MIL for instance but you can change up til tip Game 1.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2019, 09:33:09 AM
Dann.  Nice job by Doc's Clips.  Blew my bonus point

5-1
3 bonus
13 points
Denver bonus tonight.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 26, 2019, 07:28:44 AM
Honoring Hondo -

Just TEN players have been named All NBA and All NBA Defense EIGHT or more times.  The great HAVLICEK was one.  How about a stab at the other nine...

13 time All Star over 16 NBA seasons, Johnny H was also the 4th highest scorer for a team among players spending their entire career with the same club.  I guess naming the other three can be the second Q.

Loved Havlicek, the ultimate competitor - BIRD before Bird.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 26, 2019, 08:47:03 AM
That guy never got tired. He'd run the whole game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 26, 2019, 09:08:51 AM
Ran a 4:30 mile, so the story goes.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 26, 2019, 12:48:47 PM
EASTERN CONFERENCE semifinals picks

Bucks in 7
Raptors in 5
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 27, 2019, 08:21:49 PM
Rockets in 6
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 05, 2019, 04:16:03 PM
Forgot to post the Denver pick, so no bonus.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 18, 2019, 06:18:42 PM
NBA Trivia:

The Scurry Bros combined for 53 points the other game.  2nd most ever for a pair of brothers in a playoff game.  Which brother-combo holds the record for most points in a single playoff game?

Bonus: Which pair of brothers hold 3rd place now?

(and yes, both brothers had to have been in the same playoff game and played)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 20, 2019, 01:09:40 PM
King Bernard (40) & King Albert (17) - 57
Scurry x 2 = 53
George & Ed Mikan 52
Title: Knicks Trivia
Post by: Kam on May 20, 2019, 07:58:21 PM
Prior to the 2019 draft the Knicks have selected two players from Duke.


Name them.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 20, 2019, 09:06:25 PM
Art Heyman and Vince Taylor.
Title: Re: Knicks Trivia
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 20, 2019, 09:11:56 PM
Prior to the 2019 draft the Knicks have selected two players from Duke.


Name them.

Can we name the ones they should have taken instead?

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2019, 01:27:35 PM
Art Heyman and Vince Taylor.

<Mike Breen voice>BANG! </Mike Breen voice>
Title: No one answered this in the Knicks forum
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2019, 02:21:14 PM
TRIVIA: What universities have the Knicks historically drafted from the most.   


Knicks have drafted 6 guys from this local uni
Knicks have drafted 5 guys from this national power
Knicks have drafted 4 guys from this party school
Knicks have drafted 3 guys from this school known for Men's LaCrosse (if they draft RJ Barrett)


Note: Do not count undrafted players.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 21, 2019, 02:53:38 PM
6 is St. Johns
3 is Duke
I'm guessing that 5 or 4 is Arizona
Title: Re: No one answered this in the Knicks forum
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2019, 03:44:46 PM
3 out of 4 correct

St Johns - Knicks have drafted 6 guys from this local uni
xxxxxxx  -Knicks have drafted 5 guys from this national power
Arizona  - Knicks have drafted 4 guys from this party school
Duke     - Knicks have drafted 3 guys from this school known for Men's LaCrosse (if they draft RJ Barrett)


Title: Re: No one answered this in the Knicks forum
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2019, 04:29:39 PM
3 out of 4 correct

St Johns - Knicks have drafted 6 guys from this local uni
xxxxxxx  -Knicks have drafted 5 guys from this national power
Arizona  - Knicks have drafted 4 guys from this party school
Duke     - Knicks have drafted 3 guys from this school known for Men's LaCrosse (if they draft RJ Barrett)

I would have guessed Syracuse as the party school.

is XXXXXXXX Kentucky?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 21, 2019, 08:38:28 PM
Draft stuff:

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-draft-combine-tacko-fall-still-turning-heads-croatias-luka-samanic-on-the-rise-and-other-takeaways/
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2019, 11:55:41 PM
Yes.

Kentucky Wildcat
then the Arizona Wildcat

Between a Johnny and a Dookie
Title: Re: No one answered this in the Knicks forum
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2019, 11:57:28 PM


I would have guessed Syracuse as the party school.

   

Knicks have drafted just 2 Syracuse Oranges.

Andy Aug Rautins and John Wheres Wallace
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 21, 2019, 09:43:29 AM
NBA Trivia:

Only four players have an active streak of 10 or more consecutive playoff appearances.  (ie that they've been in the playoffs in each of the last 10 years).

Who be they?
 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 22, 2019, 01:14:32 AM
NBA Trivia:

Only four players have an active streak of 10 or more consecutive playoff appearances.  (ie that they've been in the playoffs in each of the last 10 years).

Who be they?

CP3
Harden
Westbrook
Durant
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 22, 2019, 04:13:50 AM
Only Harden of those 4.

The other 3 are supporting guys.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 22, 2019, 08:19:35 AM
Redick is one
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 22, 2019, 12:21:45 PM
Redick is indeed number one with 13 straight playoff appearances.

_________ has been in 12 straight postseasons.

While Harden is tied for 3rd with 10 straight playoffs.

So need two more ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 22, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
George Hill?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 22, 2019, 03:43:35 PM
No, but on the right track . . .

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on July 22, 2019, 03:52:35 PM
Danny Green? I’m not sure if the spurs missed the playoffs since he’s been in the league.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 22, 2019, 04:01:23 PM
Very much the right track, but wrong conductor.

Green started kind of late.  Age 22 with CLE.  Then 8 years with SAS and 1 with TOR.  So I assume he has a 9 year playoff streak intact.

We need one Spur
&
one guy who moved around a lot because he has a desirable skill.

[LeBJ had a 13 year run broken last year.  Probably made him cry like a baby]
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 22, 2019, 11:36:50 PM


We need one Spur


Patty Mills?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 22, 2019, 11:41:37 PM

one guy who moved around a lot because he has a desirable skill.



Kyle Korver?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on July 23, 2019, 12:33:16 AM
Very much the right track, but wrong conductor.

Green started kind of late.  Age 22 with CLE.  Then 8 years with SAS and 1 with TOR.  So I assume he has a 9 year playoff streak intact.

We need one Spur
&
one guy who moved around a lot because he has a desirable skill.

[LeBJ had a 13 year run broken last year.  Probably made him cry like a baby]

You might have to add Green. Cavs won more than 60 the year Green was there and he has postseason stats to show for it.  1 year in Cleveland, 8 in SAN, and one in da North. Doesn’t seem like he ever missed the playoffs entirely in any year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenda02.html)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 23, 2019, 12:48:18 AM
Good job.
Not an easy question.


Redick  13 straight playoff appearances.
Korver 12.
Harden & Paddy Mills 10.

Will try to check on Green.
Was he on the playoff roster in CLE?  Or his first year in SAS?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on July 23, 2019, 02:32:37 AM
It looks like he was on Cleveland’s playoff roster that year but never got into a game as best I can tell.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 29, 2019, 06:45:29 AM
100 Best Dunk compilation from last season (https://twitter.com/i/status/1155602951026688000)

Knix with more than their share.
7 or 8, I think.

Trier's early season rampage.
Vonleh and Zonja with one each.
Knox on a nice backdoor cut, late season when DeAndretheGiant started going Bill Walton for a couple weeks.
Jr. Smith off the backboard lob to DeGiant
Smith Jr. in the open court.
Mud suddenly rimward (and Clyde commenting We haven't seen that all year from Mud)
That's 7 and maybe there was one more.

I think my favorite is Wade sneakily passing up a slam attempt at #21, I think.  Also, a couple of Anti-Greek's long-armed driving slams are crazy.

Surprising to see Caruso on there twice with a pair of highlight jams.  I remember the putback jam, think I was watching that Lake game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 01, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
1.   Portland   $143,166,392
2.   Oklahoma    $133,827,363
3.   Miami   $131,042,832
4.   Cleveland   $130,333,130
5.   Denver   $130,053,769

6.   Detroit   $129,409,770
7.   Gold State   $128,722,213
8.   Houston   $123,850,521
9.   Charlotte   $118,050,174
10.   Minnesota   $117,954,823

11.   Memphis   $117,092,002
12.  Washington $116,116,569

Wow.  Only 4 of them playoff locks.
Probably just 5 of them make the playoffs.

The ones in bold are the head-scratchers.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2019, 01:21:42 PM
DEN might have the best bench:
Monte Morris
Malik Beasley
Torrey Craig  + Juan Hernangomez/ Michael Porter Jr.
Jerami Grant
Mason Plumlee

SActo with good depth:
Cory Joseph - Trevor Ariza - Bogdan Bogdanovic - Nemanja Bjelica/Harry Giles Goatboy - Richaun Holmes

Knicks too:
Elfrid Payton  /  Frank Ntilikina
Allonzo Trier  /  Damyean Dotson
Marcus Morris (or Knox)
Taj Gibson   
Bobby Portis

Clips have a nice bench:
Lou W - Shamet - Mo Hark - JaMike - Kabengele/Motley
(just need a vet backup PG)



6ers have an iffy bench:
Shake Milton / Trey Burke
Zhaire Smith / Furkan Korkmaz
James Ennis III   
Mike Scott / Jonah Bolden
Kyle O'Quinn

But they have such a dominant starting 5. 
Just need to hope one of Korkmaz, Bolden, Zhaire can be solid and eat up some minutes.

GSW with an uncharacteristically thin bench.
Looney and some iffy players.  Of course will be better once Klay returns to start.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 09, 2019, 10:16:46 AM
Could a lack of depth be what holds the Philadelphia 76ers back from an NBA title in 2020? (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/could-a-lack-of-depth-be-what-holds-the-philadelphia-76ers-back-from-an-nba-title-in-2020/)

PHI really needs one or two of Shake/Kork/Zhaire/Bolden to step up.
Bolden is nicely athletic but inexperienced.  The other 3 I barely know.
Ennis and KO'Q are fairly steady decent role players.  Mike Scott is erratic, a mistake player who can get hot.  Not a guy I want to trust.  But the backcourt bench looks questionable.  As that article says, Elton Brand might need to make an in-season move to solidify things.

I've come to believe a quality bench is essential.  (after you've sourced quality starters, of course.  The Knix tend to skip that step the past few years)

TOR doesn't win without Ibaka and FVV.
POR doesn't get so far last year without Zach and Hood (now new starters).

GSW built a dynasty partly on having a superior bench.
Iggy and Livingston were marvelous 2nd unit guys.
Guys like JaVale and Looney made important contributions.
Their weak bench and Klay's injury (+ KD's defection) makes this year a real struggle. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2019, 01:35:02 PM
Meet Smiley

https://www.nba.com/draft/2019/prospects/alen-smailagic#/
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 10, 2019, 04:00:31 AM
I'm looking forward to seeing Goga Bitadze.  Tall skinny supposedly skilled Georgian.

I was just out that way, and the Georgian men tended to be stocky with guts and very round heads, more like wrestlers than hoopsters.  Though there was another distinct type, very thin with a narrow long face and close-set eyes and beaky nose.  It really seemed like two very common types.

Since Enes helped folks learn about Turkey (and Poconos-style Gulenism), I'll take this Goga op to fill you in on Georgia. 

Since 1988, they've fought three wars.  Taking a chunk of Armenian-populated Azerbaijan (in a war that started pre-Soviet breakup, when both were in the USSR); lost half their Black Sea coastline  to Russia (Abkhazia, fka the Georgian Riviera); and lost South Ossetia another chunk of territory in the north not far from the capital Tbilisi.  3 frozen conflicts makes Georgia the current record-holder.

For the past decade. a billionaire controls the country, with his subordinates as the gov't leaders.  He made his money in the Russian aluminum wars, cashing out when it became overly deadly.  So he's connected to Russia, the people all speak Russian as a second language, but Russia is the enemy.  And a tough enemy to have.  Turks come to the Black Sea coast of Georgia to gamble.  The Caucasus Mts generally hit 15,000 to 18K feet and keep Russia mostly at bay.  Which is why tiny Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan survived between Russia, Ottoman Empire and Persia despite getting overrun often enough.

Georgia has a nice wine country.  Georgia and Armenia both lay claim to being the first wine-producers in history.  There's great hiking and skiing.  A genuine democracy, though corrupted some.  There's also a significant grey market and informal economy.  Twice we rented cars from the informal economy.  Once our car rental company was a big fat wrestler-looking dude on the street standing by 5 fairly nice vehicles.  He was amused when I insisted in putting the daily fee on the one-page rental contract.  it was all cheaper and faster and more convenient than dealing with an actual rental company.  For instance, you just call Gregor the Wrestler and he meets you anywhere in the city for your drop-off.

Tbilisi a difficult city to drive in.  Much of Georgia is a speed trap, with mounted cameras all over.  Georgians with a reputation as poor drivers.  Then again, we saw 3 car accidents in a 15 minute stretch re-entering Yerevan, Armenia, so maybe it's a Caucasus thing.

A few times I tried to strike up a basketball convo.  Most folks said that Soccer was the big sport and hoops wasn't that popular.  One guy at a winery was into the NBA and mentioned all the Georgians who played in the NBA. 
Zaza Pachulia, Tornike Shengelia, Vladimir Stepania, Jake Tsakalidis, Nikoloz Tskitishvili.  As you can see, not an imposing list, though 5 from such a tiny country isn't bad at all.  ZaZa is the best of the lot, so not such a high bar for Goga Bitadze to be the best Georgian hoopster ever.

Btw, family names ending in -ivili and -dze  (either -adze or -idze) are very common, distinctly Georgian surnames. 

For instance, Joseph Stalin was a Georgian born Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili.  I went to the Stalin Museum in his hometown of Gori.  Reasonably interesting.    The -dze ending means "son of".  So much like the Irish O'___ or Scandinavian -son or -sen endings.

Similarly the -shvili ending means "child of" and often used akin to from a specific town or region.  Somewhat like  :-\ in Spanish
Apparently the 'dze ending comes from Western Georgia.
Basically surname patronymics like in Russia.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2019, 11:23:19 AM
Interesting stuff Bo.

Best player I ever saw from Georgia was Walt Frazier.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 13, 2019, 04:55:48 AM
One thing interesting in the Caucasus.
Azerbaijan, Armenian and Georgian all come from different language groups.

Azerbaijan is a Turkic language and is mutually intelligible with Turkish.

Armenian has Indo-European roots.

While Georgian is an indigenous Caucasian language known as Kartvelian (after one eastern province of Georgia which was an independent kingdom off and on for hundreds of years).   
Kartvelian is not believed to be connected to any other spoken language.  Georgian is the dominant form, but there are three small offshoots spoken by minority groups, including a small population on the Turkish Black Sea coast of around 20K.
Title: Liz Warren Has a Plan for That
Post by: bodiddley on August 17, 2019, 02:10:31 AM
How an Outrageous NBA Transaction Supports Elizabeth Warren’s Case to Be President (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/mikhail-prokhorov-brooklyn-nets-sale-elizabeth-warren.html)

 “the public sector socializes risks, while rewards are privatized”

Warren's concern is that the US or state and local Gov'ts spend a lot of money luring a sports team, building a stadium, investing in R&D for drugs or whatever -- and then hand its investment off to the private sector. 


In the Nets case, if the State of NY got back say a 30% investment in the Nets for all of its eminent domaining, infrastructure work, and huge tax breaks, that would be worth $800M now.  About what was spent.  In 2009 the Nets were bought for $900M, so giving up a 30% stake to get to Brooklyn and get $800M worth of assistance  would be quite reasonable.

What could also be done is the gov't could monetize its minority ownership by selling its stake to fans.  Who would probably pay a premium to own shares in their favorite team.  (the gov't could also sell its minority stake to a rich investor group).  it'd probably be wise to have the gov't hold its stake for a 10 year period before selling.

Never understood why teams were owned by ultra-rich men, and not publicly trade companies where fans could own part of the team.  I think Green Bay Packers are the only American sports team operating on such a model.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 23, 2019, 02:04:22 AM
Russell famously finished his career 10-0 in Game 7s and 16-2 in close-out games. Chamberlain was 4-5 and 10-11, respectively. The two titans met eight times in the playoffs, and Russell won seven of those series, including four Game 7s by a grand total of nine points.

Those four Game 7s ...

1962: Celtics 109, 76ers 107
1965: Celtics 110, 76ers 109
1968: Celtics 100, 76ers 96
1969: Celtics 108, Lakers 106

Interesting how close the series was.
4 G7's in an 8 year period between the two teams.
3 of them decided by 2 points.
Things could easily have gone differently.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 23, 2019, 10:25:59 AM
During the Medal of Freedom award ceremony, Bob Cousy said the medal was made all the more special because it had been presented by the "most extraordinary" president in his lifetime.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2019, 12:24:20 PM
Russell famously finished his career 10-0 in Game 7s and 16-2 in close-out games. Chamberlain was 4-5 and 10-11, respectively. The two titans met eight times in the playoffs, and Russell won seven of those series, including four Game 7s by a grand total of nine points.

Those four Game 7s ...

1962: Celtics 109, 76ers 107
1965: Celtics 110, 76ers 109
1968: Celtics 100, 76ers 96
1969: Celtics 108, Lakers 106

Interesting how close the series was.
4 G7's in an 8 year period between the two teams.
3 of them decided by 2 points.
Things could easily have gone differently.

The Russell-Wilt wars of the 60s were speciial and likely never to be repeated in any sport. Those guys faced each other almost 150 times, thats almost 2 regular seasons worth of games, with these guys literally battling each other every night. For context, we view Magic-Bird as another great NBA rivalry , but they went head to head (but did not guard each other) I think 37 times. (or something like that) .

But I digress.

I was lucky enough to see a few of the Russell-Wilt battles in person, and Russell and the Celts usually sent me home happy. But the one I remember most vividly was a game the Celts lost to the 76ers, and it occured in the only play-off series Russell lost to Chamberlain, the year Wilt had his dream team, in the '66-67 season.

It was game 2 of the ECF, and Phily had won the first game at home. Game 2 was a Sunday matinee and I had scored tickets (cheap seats were all I could afford) and saw the batle from high above courtside (Johnny Most reference) in the 2nd balcony at the Garden. LSS, Celts fell behind in 3Q and never recovered, and as the clock hit triple zeros, Wilt took the ball and punched it straight up in the air, almost hitting the huge old scoreboard that hovered over mid-court at the Garden.

My friend and I, both a little dejected with the Celts loss decided to kill some time before taking the "T" back home, so we went into the Pinball Arcade to play some games and wait until the crowds thinned out. After dropping a few dimes, we headed towards our train, when suddenly I found myself walking next to a mountain. I looked up and saw a chin and goatee, it was Wilt. and he was fucking huge.

As I looked up, mustering as much courage and sportsmanship as I could, I said, "good game Wilt" and he looked down responded

"Good game? Kid that was a great game"

Then laughed knowing he was headed back to Philly up 2-0 and secure in the knowledge that finally he had a stranglehold on Russell.

And he didn't let go.

The 76ers won the series in 5 and then beat the SF Warriors for the championship.

That 76er team was among all-time greatest NBA teams. 

boxscore from that game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196704020BOS.html (https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/196704020BOS.html)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 23, 2019, 03:10:10 PM
In the clinching G5 in PHI, BOS led 37-26 after 1Q.
Got smoked in the 4Q 40-22.
6ers took 56 FT's
Wilt capped off the series with 29 points, 36 Rebounds and 13 Assists.
Quite a title clinching stat line.

I'm reasonably familiar with Wilt's Laker teams from various replays and youtube vids.  But I have barely seen any of Wilt's PHI teams play.  So really have just seen old Wilt.  I should try to watch some PHI Wilt games.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 30, 2019, 12:53:15 PM
I didn't realize that the FIBA World Cup had 32 teams.

The USofA plays in Shanghai in the opening group play.
USA, Turkey, Czech Republic, Japan.
A fairly solid group.

China has a rather easy group.  Poland, Venezuela, Ivory Coast.

I saw a replay of a Serbia v France tune-up game form a couple days ago.
Franc looked exactly the same.  Does some fakes, but doesn't go anywhere.  Though they play a typical Euro game, where everyone touches the ball and can initiate a play.  The ball seemed to move better with the small backup PG in.

France has Gobert, Batum, Fournier, Franc.
And there other guys looked scrappy.
They should do fairly well.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 31, 2019, 10:25:09 AM
Saw the 2nd half of China v. Ivory Coast.
Was a 5 pt (or so) China lead, and then CHina took over the last 1/3 of the game.
Wasn't really clear what IV was trying to do.
They constantly overpassed, resulting in shot clock violations and last second shots.  They seemed to want to post up but China has a lot of size down low: ex-Laker scrub Zhou Qi; Yi jianLian, and Wang ZW (looks like a Chinese Mozgov).

China got good guard play.
IV had terrible interior rotations, so any Chinaman who drove tended to score -- guards or Bigs. 

The Beijing court was horrible.
The stands are at least 20' away from the court.  The court is ringed by a wall of garish advertising that blinks and changes frequently, with bright colors and size-shifting Chinese characters .  Real gaudy and distracting.  The whole arena looked designed for maximum security and max advertising.  Yuck.  As the Chinese team exited the court, fans were reaching out for high-fives, except they appeared to be about 20' above the exit area, and no Chinese players are that tall yet.  It looked pathetic.

Now I'm interested in seeing what the Shanghai court looks like.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 01, 2019, 10:28:41 AM
SH court also = max security, max ads.  Stands must be 25' from the court and 14' high up.  Same glaring ads.  Yuck. 

USA v. Czech
Team US got out to a slow start every quarter.  Not sure why.  Just one game, but not a good trend. 
1Q was close and low scoring.  I thought Derrck White upped the defensive intensity.  And Kemba was good.

Mid-2Q, US started to pour it on.  Tatum looked sharp on both ends.  Barnes was solid and smooth. 

Smart and DWhite picked folks up in the backcourt 3Q. 
Mitchell and Joe Harris are the weak link defenders. 
They both tried, but Donovan made some poor fouls, Harris got out of position a number of times.  Harris also looks chunky.  Shot 3's well and played hard.  While Mitch went on some scoring jags when needed.

Plumlee, Lopez and Middleton were quiet.

Czech has a fairly solid team.  Satoransky and Plevan their big C were the main scoring options.  With other guys solid 3 point shooters.  They rebounded fairly well.  I gave them credit for a late 2Q 7-0 run to keep it close-ish (down 14 at the half).  And they started the 3Q well. 

You could see a few times where the US team wasn't so used to playing together.  Like when Tatum ran into Brook twice while operating a PnR.
And the passing could have been sharper/more.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2019, 11:27:32 AM
Better be careful

Third game is Hachimura.  :)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 01, 2019, 01:03:23 PM
Forgot to mention that Kemba played some solid defense on switches and when Satoransky tried to post him up.  The Czech tried to take advantage of his size, but Kemba was tough and crafty.  Still a strategy other teams might try as well.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2019, 07:55:17 PM
Watanabe (Grizz) is a nice talent.  Looking forward to seeing Japan
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 03, 2019, 01:38:58 PM
USofA barely escaped Turkey.  1 pt win in OT.
Basically Turks missed FT's to end reg and OT, and USA made FT's.
I only saw highlights.

Tatum got injured (ankle) on the final US play, dishing to Middleton who got fouled and made 2 FT's with 2.1 secs left.  Turkey really blew it with their missed FT's.  Will likely sit next game v. Japan, and has some time to heal up.

Some FIBA rules.
A tied game (or 1 pt Turk lead).  Myles Turner got stripped and Joe Harris grabbed the guy to stop transition hoops.  Got called for unsportsmanlike play for not going for the ball.  Turkey got 2 FT's (missed both) and the ball. 

I also saw highlights of Brasil v Greece.
Down 3, a Greek player was fouled with almost no time left.  Made the first tow, the 3rd hit the rim and had a good chance of dropping, but a  Brazilian Big whacked the ball off the rim.  In int'l rules, once the ball hits the rim there's no goaltending (well probably if you punched up through the hoop).  So a real heads up play by the guy from Brasil.
I bet most Americans would stand there waiting for the ball to clear the rim.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 03, 2019, 02:08:15 PM
US-Turk boxscore:
https://www.fiba.basketball/basketballworldcup/2019/game/0209/USA-Turkey#tab=boxscore

5 turnovers for Barnes.  Middletona dn harris the only ones who shot well.

Semi Erden starts at C for Turkey (because Kanter is persona non grata).
I thought he had some nice skills when he played for BOS.  Thought his NBA tenure would last longer.  Erden had the game high +/- for Turkiye, despite not scoring and fouling out.

Ilyasova 23 & 14.  And had a late-regulation tip-in that gave Turkey the lead with 15 or so secs left.  Had 4 fouls last 9 mins and US couldn't foul him out.  [just 5 fouls in 40 minute FIBA]

Speaking of lasting long, Anderson Varejao is out there for Brasil.  Looked real good.  Got in a nice rhythm.  Went for 22 & 9 and bothered the Greeks on D. 
Barbosa also for Brasil.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2019, 03:30:09 PM
Yeah - competitive game (notice I didnt say good)

Japan played fairly well, lost by 12.  First win vs European squad has to wait.

(Bit the bullet and paid the 4.99)
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on September 06, 2019, 04:36:53 AM
Kyrie - LeVert - Joe Harris - KD - TheAndre
Dimwiddie - Kurucs - Jarret Allen

That's a pretty strong team.
Nice mix of defense and scoring, shooting and driving.
Though there's a number of injury risks for them.
And I've never been a Kyrie fan.
LeVert and Allen still developing.

But that's next year.
Slot in Wil once allowed and things are not as exciting.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 06, 2019, 05:38:18 AM
 Rui Hachimura will miss Japan's final two FIBA World Cup games because of knee discomfort and general fatigue.
Hachimura was held to four points on 2-for-8 shooting in a 98-45 loss to the U.S
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 06, 2019, 09:44:29 AM
He had a nice dunk though,
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2019, 10:14:20 AM
Rui Hachimura will miss Japan's final two FIBA World Cup games because of knee discomfort and general fatigue.
Hachimura was held to four points on 2-for-8 shooting in a 98-45 loss to the U.S

They had ONE JOB - and did it well, apparently.

Get well, Hachi.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2019, 10:15:13 AM
By the way, ESPN+ is turning out to be not so bad. Lots of content.

I like to be able to watch the replays -  like the disaster Belinda Bencic loss in Open semis (led 5-2, lost 7-5 second set).

Womens collegiate soccer another highlight
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2019, 10:18:57 AM
Did you get a good look at Watanabe?  Hope to see him getting some minutes with Grizz this year.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 06, 2019, 11:39:51 AM
So far I only saw the opening match CHina v. Ivory Coats.
And the US- Czech tilt.

And I saw highlights of US- Turkey and Brasil-France.

I've been getting home too late to see the games and they don't seem to be showing any replays.

When I was leaving the gym after hoops tonight, I joined 5 guys huddled around a mobile phone streaming the final minute of CHina-Korea.  Korea got sloppy and lost.  China shouldn't have been in such a tight game with them.

My friend told me that China lost to Poland the other day.  I asked,but apparently Lampe isn't on the Polish team.  Surprising, since he's still good, and he's played in China a few years now, so could help his team get comfortable, and he knows all the Chinese players. 
When I've seen lampe in the CBA, he's talented and good but lazy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 07, 2019, 10:47:11 AM
Only caught the 4Q of US-Greece. 
US was up 16 with 9 mins to play, Greece made a solid run to get within 11 I think.  Giannis wasn't in and didn't come back in.  His brother was out there.  USA looked somewhat sloppy and disjointed but talented enough to outplay their lack of chemistry.  Kemba and Mitchell seemed to be the stabilizers.  Kemba has looked quite good what I've seen, even if they do call a bunch of fouls on him.  I like Joe Harris, but he's a poor defender and Greece went at him a bunch in the 4Q.


Saw highlights of France-Lithuania.
Lithuania put together a nice 4Q comeback form 11 or so down to tkae the lead late, but lost by 3.  In between Lithuanian inside buckets, they showed our old friend Kuz cheering form the bench.  Then as Fournier and Nando DeColo led France, there was Franc singing La Marseillaise or whatever from the pine.

Looks like Franc had 0 points (0-3 FG), 4 fouls, a pair of assists and boards and forgot some of the words to the anthem.
Franc started, but DeColo scored 21 in 24 minutes.  Popping in half of his 6  3-Attempts and getting 7 FT's.
Kuzminkas scored the same nada as Franc in 9 minutes.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 08, 2019, 06:39:58 AM
Pretty entertaining Tunisia-Angola match.  i watched the opening 6 mins then kept catching bits mid-game, until settling in last 6 mins.  Game of runs.  Tunisia was up 15 early 3Q, Angola took the lead with 4 mins left in the game.  Tunisia rips an 8 point lead with 2:30 left, tied around the 1 min mark.

Mejri dominated for Tunisia.  Probably had a 20+ / 15 / 10 block line or close to it.   But he picked up two late (very minor) fouls and fouled out with under 1 min left, as Angola battled back.  Then Mejri's replacement knocks in a 3 with 6 secs left, with the shot clock almost out.  Put Tunisia up 4 -- game winner.  Guy's only shot all game.

Good physical, scrappy game.  Both likable teams with some solid talent.  Big guy for Angola looked like a 2nd round NBA type.  But I don't know his age.  Strong guy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 08, 2019, 08:56:49 AM
China-Nigeria.
Often the African teams are not well-organized.  Frequent spats over getting paid, etc.  I think Ivory Coast threatened a boycott until they got half their money upfront for this tourney.

But Nigeria seems pretty solid.  Aminu is a very good defender.  I saw a Nigerian wing do a nice crossover and burst to the rim, laying it in.  I'm thinking that looked like an NBA-level move.  Then realized its Josh Okogie.  Very nice young player from Minny, on my radar for the Knix.
Other ex-NBAers: Ekpe Udoh, Ike Diogu, Ben Uzoh(?)
They also have a PG who gets into it on D, and a Big who runs well.

China with 11 1st half turnovers.  Getting stripped a lot.
Nigeria 35-China 31 at the half.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 08, 2019, 08:58:24 AM
Undefeated teams after 4 games:

Spain
Serbia
US
France
Australia
Argentina
POLAND (the big surprise so far)

Poland had an easy run so far.
Beating Ivory Coast, China, Venezuela in the weakest group.
Then beat Russia (and got super-celebratory).
But just got crushed by Argentina 91-65.

Gortat and Lampe both are not on the team.
They have an 18 year old 7'1" C Olek Balcerowski.
Born November 2000.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 08, 2019, 10:18:18 AM
Nigeria beat CHina.  China now 2-3, losing to Venezuela, Poland and now Nigeria.  Barely beating Korea.  And topped weak Ivory Coast.

Nigeria looked good (v. China).
Okogie a nice clever player, but pretty young.
Aminu does more than he's capable of, so a bit sloppy.
Finished 6 / 8 / 6 with 4 TO's.

I was intrigued by Chimezie Metu, a bouncy 6'10" who runs well.
Turns out he was a Spurs 2nd round pick (#$9) in 2018.
Played at USC 3 years.  Interesting prospect.

I also liked Nigeria's 2 guards who played stout D and applied full court pressure at times.  Ike Iroegbu 6'2" plays in Lithuania.  Age 24 form Wash St.  And 23 year old Nnamdi Vincent.  In the GLeague, I think.
CHina traditionally has weak G play, and picking them up fullcourt and harassing their passing vision and not letting them get off 3's was good strategy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 09, 2019, 10:41:01 AM
US-Brazil.
Kind of an uninspired US performance until late.  Brazil hung close for 2/3rds of the game.  US was up 4 or 5 then made a run mid-3Q to get a comfortable lead.  Then opened the 4Q strongly to put the game away.

Miles Turner was mostly on his game.  Likes those Duncan bank shots from 14'.  But how much does he want to be great?  Joe Harris continues to be the only American who reliably hist 3's.  The 3-line is almost a foot shorter than NBA.  But US went just 8/25 on 3's.  It's not a weapon they use much.  And they don't get out on the break much.  And they don't get FT's.  In the half court, they're sets are okay, but mostly rely on a post-up or drive rather than ball movement.

Kemba is the indispensable player.  Jaylen stepped up 2nd half.  US made their 4Q run playing smallball with Jaylen defending Verajao.   Got them running and more steals.  I really like what Smart brings.  Just a bulldog.  Fun to watch.  And Derrick White brings some of the same.  Harrison "Pretty Good" Barnes does some of everything.  At least gets some FT's.
I'd say Middleton and Mitchell have been underwhelming.  Not bad, but these were supposed to be core guys.  Mitchell did lead the US with 7 assists and had a game high +22.  But his shooting and defense were suspect.  When teams need baskets they tend to go at Harris, post up Kemba, or attack Mitchell.  Kemba the best defender of the 3, and fights.
This is great training for Kemba -- BOS has to be happy.

BRAzil relies on Varejao and Barbosa a lot. 
Caboclo looked pretty iffy to me.  Goes for fakes, fouls, can get muscled.
With Varejao in the post, Cabolclo often floated on the perimeter and missed all 4 of his 3's.  Not his game.  But I'm not sure what is.  Didn't look good.

USA is susceptible to any team that can pop in 3's and bully in the post.
Brazil did such and kept it close for 2/3rds of the game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 09, 2019, 11:44:16 AM
US plays France next.
Start of elimination play, i'm pretty sure.

France beat Dominican Rep, Jordan, and squeaked by Germany and Lithuania.  Just lost by 2 to Australia.  So a solid team in the mix.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 10, 2019, 11:55:11 AM
Saw 2nd half Spain-Poland.
Was played in Shanghai, and I vaguely thought of going after my hoops run ended.  I've played on the practice court beneath the main stadium.

Poland didn't have enough.  AJ Slaughter is their best scorer.  An undrafted 32 year old, who has kicked around Europe plenty, and became a Polish citizen in 2015, to bolster their national team.
I got to see the 18 year old 7'1" guy a little.
Missed both his FT's.  Missed a pair of 3's also (I didn't see those).  Had 2 assists.  Not a main guy. 

Poland was down 8-10 points most of the 2nd half, and couldn't make a 3 in the $Q to close the gap.  And you know it's trouble when Rubio is popping 3's (went 3-4 form distance, including two mid/late 4Q).
Willy Hernangomez did his David Lee impression.  Scored inside, boarded well, fouled and chumpy on D.  His jersey reads W Geuer.  Apparently his surname is Hernagomez Geuer.  Spaniards ...

Lull looked useless.  Rudy Fernandez still can shoot (5-5 on trips).  I didn't see Juancho but he scored a bunch.  Ma Gasol does what's needed. Fills the gaps.

A solid showing for Poland.  But their 4W-0L start was mostly the product of being in a weak group.  Beat China and Russia.  So that's something to take back home.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2019, 01:56:51 PM
Spain beats US or France
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 11, 2019, 02:26:10 AM
France looked decent to me, but more like a Brazil-level team.
One thing is Gobert makes it tough on drivers, so US either needs to make some 3's, get FT's, or move the ball well.  Gobert also probably means Lopez gets out there more.  Miles Turner can try to bring Gobert out to guard midrange.
France = Fournier, Gobert, Batum
They'll be competitive, but US should put them away.
US gets off to slow starts and wins 2nd halves so far.
Maybe Pop should start Jaylen.


Spain a better team.  But Rubio and Lull are erratic.  Gasol a bit slow these days.  Gotta keep tabs on Rudy F.  Stop his 3's and the US should win.

I don't think France is a big threat. 
Spain more so. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 12, 2019, 11:42:25 AM
I mentioned the US getting out to slow starts and thought they should change the lineup.  Well, how about a 32-7 1Q deficit.  Embarrassing.
US outscored Serbia 33-12 in the 2Q, so was just down 4 at the half.

No idea why Joe Horror started.  But he played 22 mins and had a team worse -17.  Teams just attack him.  Smart didn't play -- possibly dinged up from careening around last game.  Why start Kemba - Mitchell - Harris?  That's some weak D.

You know you're in trouble when Harrison "Pretty Good" Barnes is your high scorer.  Middleton finally had a good scoring game.

Bogdanovic had a terrific game for Serbija.  7-14 on 3's.

US should have lost to Turkey, who choked badly.
Which would have meant a 3-3 record.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 09, 2019, 12:20:00 PM
So I wonder if I should try to attend the Lakers-Nets game tomorrow night.  Not sure if this is all going to go smoothly or if it might turn into some weird anti-foreigner protest.

My hope is all the Chinese boycott and I can just waltz in and sit in the front row.  Heckle LeBJ.

I might just play hoops instead, as I have a Thursday night game form 8-10.   Kind of pathetic that China cancelled the TV broadcast of the NBA.  But I wouldn't likely be home anyway.  Maybe they can show my pickup game instead.  Then you cna marvel at my semi-deadly quick turnaround-3.

In cases where anti-foreigner fever sweeps Shanghai, it's a good thing I'm from Iceland.  Though maybe it'll be Ireland this time.  (I don't roll with Canada, as there could easily be Chinese more familiar with any given Canadian city than I am).
Title: LeBron James says - think before you tweet
Post by: Kam on October 15, 2019, 01:04:50 PM
LeBron James
‏@KingJames

My team and this league just went through a difficult week.  I think people need to understand what a tweet or statement can do to others.  And I believe nobody stopped and considered what would happen.  Could have waited a week to send it.

LeBron James
@KingJames

Let me clear up the confusion. I do not believe there was any consideration for the consequences and ramifications of the tweet.  I’m not discussing the substance.  Others can talk About that.
Title: LeBron is anti-democracy
Post by: Kam on October 15, 2019, 01:08:33 PM
LeBron James says NBA exec was 'misinformed' in his tweet supporting Hong Kong protests
Title: Real Talk: LeBron James edition
Post by: Kam on October 15, 2019, 01:11:54 PM
You Darryl, you inconvenienced me.  I'm not mad at what you said i'm mad at when you said it.  In the meantime i'll muddy the issue by saying you were misinformed in supporting a democratic hong kong.  Which makes me look like a puppet of China's ruling party.  Which maybe i am.

i.e Don't make me look bad in front of my chinese money backers.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 15, 2019, 02:24:58 PM
In most ways, I think China is on the right side of things in HK.  In general, I'm sympathetic to any protest against repressive authority.
But first off, HK has never been a democracy, has never chosen it's leaders solely through popular vote.  Britain only started expanding democracy in HK after the agreement with China was reached and the handover date was approaching. 

Secondly, China has largely abided by the 1 country 2 system approach for 20 years, giving HK a significant degree of autonomy.  Sure at times China interprets the Basic Law in its favor and has incrementally increased its hold/control over HK.  And the extradition bill which sparked this year's protests was such a small but potentially dangerous China overreach.  Yet China has largely kept it's word and allowed HK to remain autonomous.   

Third, the protests in HK have increasingly had a violent element, and a gov't can't accept having its only airport shut down, police attacked with weapons, main business districts blocked and shut down, etc.  China has shown restraint by letting HK deal with the protests.

Lastly, I'm not sure what the protesters end game is.  They want the HK leader to resign, but every post-handover HK leader has been approved by Beijing.  And so would any replacement.   The voting/selection process is set-up/rigged to allow that.

I don't think Daryl Morey or most US politicians know much about HK's history and status.

Aren't there any Muslim NBAers these days?  That's where China deserves criticism.  And so you don't think I've gone all soft, I thought the moment is ripe for Trump to whip out a Reagan Berlin Wall moment.  Forget about little HK, challenge China's government legitimacy. 

(or even start small and ask why Twitter is blocked in China -- what is the gov't afraid of?  I mean it is Trump's platform of choice)

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 19, 2019, 07:44:55 AM
Only 4 NBAers have won both the MVP and Defensive Player of the Year award in their career.
Name that quartet.

Bonus: Which two did it in the same season?

Helpful Hint: DPOY only dates back to the early 80's.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 19, 2019, 01:10:22 PM
Andre Emmett former 2nd round draft pick (#35), was shot and killed in Dallas.  Was sitting in his SUV at 2:AM in a driveway.  2 guys with guns walk up force him out of the vehicle and he runs fast down the sidewalk and they gunned him down.

Emmett played in the D-League and all over the world.  Had a very productive stint in China.  Scored 71 in a game which at that time (2010?) was the single game record.  I think later broken by Bonzi, maybe Jimmer too.

Anyway, sad stuff.  Harrison Barnes said he played pickup Summer games with Emmett 3 years running.  Talented hoopster, just a tad below NBA level.  Maybe 2 inches taller than his 6'5" and he could've been a credible NBA SF.  He was really an aggressive player in China.  Fun to watch.  Him and another 2nd rounder Charles Gaines were pretty dominant some years back.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 22, 2019, 12:03:57 PM

5 overs
Denver     53.5
Utah        53.5
LA Clippers  52.5
Portland     45.5
New York   27.5

DEN, UTA and POR all have terrific home court advantage.
I think Utah is going to be a strong 2-way team in the regular season.  Conley a perfect fit for them.  Bog gonna look terrific there too.  If they had been able to keep Favors, I'd give them the title. 

DEN has talent and depth.  Really like the Grant addition.

I'm not big on POR at all, but they should win 46+ games.  They've got 2 go-to guys to help win close games.

Knix should be able to scratch out 28+ W's.  We have a lot of depth and can wear teams down.  Things could go ugly, but it's not like 28 W's is pretty.

Only worry on Clips is health.  And a possible slow start while PG is out the first month.


5 unders
Boston       49.5
Dallas        42.5
Philadelphia  55
Atlanta        34
Cleveland    24

49 W's seems high for Celts, with Horford gone. 
DAL:  KZ might take a few months to get the rust out and trust in.
Can Doncic hit all those crazy late game shots again?
Thin team.

PHI has to sort some things out.  Like who takes the last shot.
And health.  Horford and JoshRich are nice additions.  Kind of hate to pick the under as I think I'll be pulling for them.  I'm a Josh Rich fan.

34 W's for ATL.  Like what they've done and where they're heading.  Just not sure it equates to actual W's this year.

CLE might go full tank.  And trade Love away.  And I don't like Sextant much.

I ordered by Win Total.
maybe I should have ranked my confidence instead (?)

Brooklyn    42.5  Over
Charlotte    23     Even
Chicago      34     Under
Detroit      37.5   Over
Golden State    47.5 Over
Houston     54.5    Under
Indiana     46.5     Under
LA Lakers     48.5   Under
Memphis     27.5    Under
Miami         44.5     Under
Milwaukee     57.5   Under
Minnesota      35.5   Under
New Orleans     39   Under
Oklahoma City   32   Over
Orlando      42.5       Over
Phoenix     29.5        Over
Sacramento     38.5   Over
San Antonio    45.5    Over
Toronto          46       Under
Washington       26.5  Under
Title: Game picks - just the win, baby
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 01:57:25 PM
Game picks here -

winners only....


For tonight 10/22


Toronto over New Orleans
LA Lakers over LA Clippers
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 08:03:23 PM
Gonna say 10+ assists for Ball tonight
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:21:39 PM
Gonna say 10+ assists for Ball tonight

24 minutes?

I guess he got hurt
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:23:37 PM
NURSE plays 8 guys and gets the W
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 23, 2019, 09:29:00 AM
NURSE plays 8 guys and gets the W

AND the game went to overtime. 
AND Siakam fouled out.

PS. Siakim first Raptor since Vince to go 30/15/5
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 23, 2019, 09:42:54 AM
Only 4 NBAers have won both the MVP and Defensive Player of the Year award in their career.
Name that quartet.

Bonus: Which two did it in the same season?

Helpful Hint: DPOY only dates back to the early 80's.

Jordan
Olajuwon
David Robinson?
Kevin Garnett?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 23, 2019, 12:28:24 PM
Indeed.  Those be the fellers.

Jordan and Olajuwon did it in the same season.

Quite a feat to win an MVP award (mostly given for offending) and winning a DPOY award in a career.

People don't often talk about it, but MJ was a terrific defender his whole career.

Whereas a guy like LeBJ was pretty chumpy on D his first 3 years and mostly of coasts the last two.  Though admittedly was a defensive force for a decade in between that.  But during that 9 or 10 year stretch, LBJ could've won a DPOY.

Durant didn't play adequate D until he got to GS. 

I like 2-way players.
Do the Knix have any?
Morris I guess.
Barrett hopefully.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2019, 07:30:14 PM
Game winners - 730 PM and later

(1-1)


Nets over Wolves
Heat over Grizz
Sixers over Celts
Mavs over Wiz
Spurs over Knicks

Jazz over Thunder
Kings over Suns
Blazers over Nuggets
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 04:03:19 AM
I was flipping to the Nets replay some while watching the replayed Knix.

Make sure to catch Kyrie's game winning attempt.  Down 1, 8 secs, Kyrie isolates does a spin dribble, falls down, gets up and keeps his dribble and misses and off-balance FT line J.  Got a pretty good look, after some craziness.   One Nets announcer was laughing after Kyrie's tumble.

With 1 min left in OT, Wiggins made two nice baskets to give MINNy the lead.  That after playing a very blah game.  Was nice to see him Wig out when it mattered. 

There was a play with around 40 secs left where Kyrie drove past laVert and Towns came over on help and expertly contested without fouling, causing Kyrie to double clutch and shoot his layup attempt into the underside of the rim.  Ans I think KAT had 5 fouls for that.  And on another late drive, Kyrie had nowhere to go and Towns swatted his pass/shot/whatever out of bounds.  I didn't see much of the game, but if Towns starts playing good defense, he's a genuine all-star and Top 10 player.

Nets Trivia

Name the 5 players who scored 50 or more points as a Netizen.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 05:34:33 AM
1st game standouts:

Danny Green
Siakim
van Vleet
Kennard
RJB
Brogdon 22 & 11 (made 10-11 FT's)

INDy played some guy Edmond Summers 22 mins (for a whopping -23), as their bench got roughed up by DET.
Neither team has a good bench and it will hurt both of them.  Kennard came up big, DRose scored well.  Kennard will probably start after a while.  or maybe just play big bench flamethrower minutes,
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 10:37:15 AM
Are you counting ABA?

Rick Barry, Dr. J.  Kyrie.  Did Bernard ever do that?  Marbury?
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:04:54 AM
Not ABA.
Just NBA.

And I should have made it more clear.
5 Nets scored 50 or more before Kyrie joined them to make a half dozen.

Marbury is one.
2.
3.
4.
5.

I thought the names were pretty interesting.

Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 11:07:17 AM
Vince Carter?
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:10:06 AM
1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3.
4.
5.

The next 3 ain't that easy.
I'll proffer hints in a bit.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: facilitatorn on October 24, 2019, 11:15:47 AM
Šarūnas Marčiulionis
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
Drazen Petrovic
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:24:26 AM
Šarūnas Marčiulionis

Maybe your thinking of Petrovic.

Drazen!
Good guess!

But wrong . . .
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
Okay, some hints:

one guy has a strong Knick connection

another was a NET both ABA & NBA

the third guy you won't guess even if I give you his initials . . .
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 11:28:10 AM
Ah.  Was thinking John Williamson (ABA and NBA)

I remember Deron Williams having a huge game once.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:32:03 AM
1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3. Super John Williamson!
4.
5.


SuperJohn was a fun player.  A super gunner.
I was at one early NBA Nets game (at the then new Rutgers Athletic Center) and Super John hit a long fadeaway J while falling into the Nets bench.  Crazy.  And there wasn't a 3 point shot then ...

Deron a good guess.
I'm sort of surprised he didn't.
I'll have to check on that.

Two more .  .  .
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
My mistake.
6 Nets scored 50 or more.
Deron did it.  A 57 point game in his 2nd Net season.
Kyrie was the 7th Net to half-century it.

1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3. Super John Williamson!
4. Deron Williams

5. _________ has a Knick connection

6. _________ I'll give you his initials after a while . . .

These are the hard ones ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:57:06 AM
Doncic and KZ combined for 57 points.  Also 10 turnovers.
DAL won despite more turnovers than assists (19 to 17).

Fortunately they played WASH.
Wiz starters combined 2 -22 on 3's (half that was Beal 1-11)

DAL bench dominated despite going 3-15 on 3's.
Tim Jr. had 4 Pts and 4 Fouls in 21 mins.  Missed all 5 of his 3's.
Mavs started Courtly, with Tim off the bench.

KZ 3-7 on 3's.  23 points.  Just 4 boards.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 12:03:40 PM
Donovan with 32 & 12 boards.
Conley debuts with 1-16 FG & 5 fouls.  Yikes.

Muddy with 12 & 5 in 23 backup PG mins.  6-11 FG.
Makes me nervous a team relying on Jeff Green and Mud.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 12:21:36 PM
27 and 13 for Sabonis.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 01:19:31 PM
One is an ex-Knick who only played 1 year with the Nets.

The other played 2 seasons Netside.
His initials are MN.

Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 01:56:12 PM
Mike Newlin!!!!!
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: facilitatorn on October 24, 2019, 02:00:44 PM
Šarūnas Marčiulionis

Maybe your thinking of Petrovic.

Drazen!
Good guess!

But wrong . . .

Was thinking Drazen. Thanks
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
Mike Newlin also played for the Knicks.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 02:14:21 PM
Mike Newlin!!!!!

Yank watched the game last night
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 02:33:32 PM
No Yank didn't.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 08:08:58 PM

1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3. Super John Williamson!
4. Deron Williams
5. MIKE NEWLIN

Newlin was a good shooter, sort of the Joe Harris of his day.
Played mostly for HOU in the 70's,  Finished his career with two Net seasons and a final Knick year.  Very difficult to guess.

and still one more
6. _________ has a strong Knick connection.

Actually I didn't even recall that he played with the Nets at all (just one season there, in which he dropped a 50 game).

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 09:08:52 PM
Pretty good Depth Chart info on one page from Hoopshype:
https://hoopshype.com/2019/07/10/nba-depth-charts/

Lotta teams have weak benches.
That listing will help me find trades for NYK to make.

I like how DET fixed their weak bench by going with a few weak starters . ..
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 25, 2019, 01:44:58 AM
Saw mostly 2Q MIL - HOU.
Rocks were up 16 at the half, with Harden & Rustbrook  I think 2-12 on 3's while the other Rockettes were 12-20.
Russ was zooming down court, collapsing the D and kicking to open corner 3-men.

Bucks came roaring back 2nd half.  39 Pt 4Q.
Harden only made 2 FG's.
Gordon & Harden combined 6-32 FG (4-20 on 3's).
Geo Hill pestered Harden and finished with a team high +16.

Quite a comeback for MIL on the Road.  Deep team.
Seems Giannis fouled out up 6 with 5 mins left. 
And MIL held on.  Sounds like a fun game.
I mostly saw Rocks dominating with 3's.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 25, 2019, 05:24:49 AM
Speaking of weak benches. 
GS is really thin.
ALso literally so, as they don't have big men.
Gave up 140 to CLips.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2019, 08:21:33 AM
Thin bench?  The starters are thin.

Mon Dieu!

I have to believe the UNDER is in play for Warriors this year.  (or am I just totally overreacting after Clips played a near perfect game)

8 assists/1 turnover for Russell.  4-8 from deep, 4-4 from line - and a -35.  Wow.  Not sure what to make of that - except Doc has his offense in playoff gear early
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2019, 08:26:34 AM
REMINDER

Over/unders

Try to stand by the Sunday night deadline if possible (but no big deal if you miss it)

5 overs/5 unders from


Atlanta     34
Boston     49.5
Brooklyn    42.5
Charlotte    23
Chicago      34

Cleveland    24
Dallas     42.5
Devver     53.5
Detroit      37.5
Golden State     47.5

Houston     54.5
Indiana     46.5
LA Clippers   52.5
LA Lakers     48.5
Memphis     27.5


Miami     44.5
Milwaukee     57.5
Minnesota      35.5
New Orleans     39
New York     27.5

Oklahaoma City   32
Orlando      42.5
Philadelphia     55
Phoeniz     29.5
Portland     45.5

Sacramento     38.5
San Antonio    45.5
Toronto      46
Utah       53.5
Washington       26.5

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 25, 2019, 12:44:20 PM
Yeah, GS once loaded with stars and depth is a real ghost team around Scurry and Dray.  A big factor is when/if Klay returns.
But even so, he's only likely to play 25 games max.

They just have to hope to beat up on the weaker teams, avoid injury games missed, and squeeze into the playoffs.  Then hope Klay is functioning well for the playoffs.

Odd to see the two Finals teams from last year fall on hard times so quickly.  But that's what happens when a star leaves each team, and for GS a secondary star goes down.

Going to be a bumpy year for GS.  41 - 45 W's.  The West is tough.

I hate teams with weak benches, which makes the starters play long minutes and have to work hard to build and regain leads.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2019, 01:23:54 PM
I think Toronto is fine

Top 4 East team
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 25, 2019, 01:37:22 PM
Probably in the 4 - 5 range.
But the East is weak and RAPs don't rate as a true contender.
Nets, Heat and Pacecars will be fighting TOR for that 4 / 5 seed.

There's also a chance they trade Lowry or Ma Gasol.
And accelerate the revamp.
Or they face those decisions next Summer.

I'm big on Siakim and OG.
And hoping StanJohn can become offensive.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2019, 02:56:10 PM
Probably in the 4 - 5 range.


3-4

Clearly there are two top teams.

Then 3-4

Then 5-7.

8 is a scrum.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 25, 2019, 04:26:02 PM
REMINDER

Over/unders

Try to stand by the Sunday night deadline if possible (but no big deal if you miss it)

5 overs/5 unders from


Atlanta     34
Boston     49.5
Brooklyn    42.5
Charlotte    23
Chicago      34

Cleveland    24
Dallas     42.5
Devver     53.5
Detroit      37.5
Golden State     47.5

Houston     54.5
Indiana     46.5
LA Clippers   52.5
LA Lakers     48.5
Memphis     27.5


Miami     44.5
Milwaukee     57.5
Minnesota      35.5
New Orleans     39
New York     27.5

Oklahaoma City   32
Orlando      42.5
Philadelphia     55
Phoeniz     29.5
Portland     45.5

Sacramento     38.5
San Antonio    45.5
Toronto      46
Utah       53.5
Washington       26.5

I take the OVER on the Clippers.  I take them to win it all.
Knicks OVER
Lakers OVER
Bucks OVER
Dallas OVER

Washington UNDER
Sacramento UNDER
Phoenix UNDER
Cleveland UNDER
OKC UNDER

Bonus UNDER:  Golden State
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 27, 2019, 03:11:30 AM
PHX has started 2-1.
Blew out SACto.
Lost by 1 in OT to DEN.
And just beat LAClips.

Nice start to the season.
I thought Rubio would help a lot, but he didn't play in the LAC game (boo-boo knee).
So far Uber 21 & 7; 51% FG and 39% on 3's.  Made all 19 of his FT's (over 6 per game); 2 steals per, but lamentably just 1 assist  ...

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 07:51:47 PM


Over/unders


Atlanta     34       over
Boston     49.5      under
Brooklyn    42.5    over
Charlotte    23
Chicago      34

Cleveland    24     under
Dallas     42.5
Devver     53.5
Detroit      37.5
Golden State     47.5

Houston     54.5
Indiana     46.5
LA Clippers   52.5
LA Lakers     48.5
Memphis     27.5


Miami     44.5
Milwaukee     57.5      over
Minnesota      35.5     over
New Orleans     39     
New York     27.5

Oklahoma City   32
Orlando      42.5         under
Philadelphia     55       over
Phoenix     29.5
Portland     45.5

Sacramento     38.5
San Antonio    45.5     under
Toronto      46
Utah       53.5           under
Washington   26.5
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 28, 2019, 01:39:45 AM
Man, GSW is starting Marquise Chriss?
And there's some talk Klay might not return at all.
They'll be lucky to tread water and hit 41 W's.
Definitely the under.
Ridiculously thin team.
With a healthy Klay all year they could possibly reach 48 W's ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 28, 2019, 03:14:10 AM
Nets are likely to have a lot of crazy finishes.
Some folks laughed at Barrett guarding Kyrie to end the game.
Well, MEMf did the same and their rook blocked Kyrie.
Learning experience however it goes.

Too bad we didn't get Morant as that's what we need most.
But Barrett looks like a smart steady player.
And I'm glad we didn't get Zion.
He's going to have trouble staying healthy and could be hard to build around.  Gonna have some fun highlights.  But I'll stick with a stat stuffer like RJB.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 28, 2019, 03:32:59 AM
Hardaway has been awful the first 3 games.
29% FG; 2-17 on 3's.
Has gotten 21 or 22 mins each game.
3 rebounds and 4 assists for the season.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2019, 08:35:58 AM
Well, MEMf did the same and their rook blocked Kyrie.


You dont see the difference between Barrett and Marant?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 28, 2019, 10:03:06 AM
We didn't have Morant . .  .
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 29, 2019, 10:27:25 AM
So Malcolm "Not a PG" Brogdon is leading the league in assists early.  Haven't seen INDy play, but The Frog is a player.

Rubio 4th in assist for the surprising Suns.
Giannis 5th (9.0 per).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 29, 2019, 10:45:22 AM
NBA Trivia:

There are 12 players who have seen action (out of 292) who haven't recorded one assist yet this season. (according to ESPn)
Of those, 8 have averaged more than 5 mins per over 3 games.

Name those non-assisters.

Hint: 2 are ex-Knix.

(5 of those have averaged over 12 mins per.
And one a whopping 26 mins, so zero assists in 78 minutes)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 30, 2019, 03:12:45 AM
Well, the non-assisters were:
TyC
K O'Quinn

A Very Bradley was the leader in minutes without an assist but got one last night.  Kind of bad for a G.
Speaking of, another G was Awful Rivers and his one man show.

I'll have to look up the rest.
Bradley and Rivers stood out as G's not getting others buckets.

Oh yeah, Korkmaz Forkuz or whatever his name is was another.
Edit: Ed Davis, Jared Dudley, Christian Wood.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 30, 2019, 03:17:31 AM
So far Mitch has 1 assist in 3 games.
Morris 2 in 4 games.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 30, 2019, 08:05:39 AM
It's very sad that LeBron is temporarily homeless.
Maybe we should start a GoFundMe campaign to get him appropriate shelter and a new toothbrush.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2019, 08:10:40 AM
Well, the non-assisters were:
TyC
K O'Quinn

A Very Bradley was the leader in minutes without an assist but got one last night.  Kind of bad for a G.
Speaking of, another G was Awful Rivers and his one man show.

I'll have to look up the rest.
Bradley and Rivers stood out as G's not getting others buckets.

Oh yeah, Korkmaz Forkuz or whatever his name is was another.
Edit: Ed Davis, Jared Dudley, Christian Wood.

Keep an eye on the Allan Houston-like Dillon Brooks, who I believe had a 30-0-0 game (may have been in pre)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2019, 08:19:29 AM
Rivers' usage will be way down this year

But he may get a ring.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 31, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
The Embiid-Towns scuffle wasn't much.
They got their arms tangled after a play, both kind of got annoyed about it.  Seemed Embiid tried to push Towns who responded with a pseudo-headlock.

Back in the day, that would have been a double-technical and you just keep playing.

Simmons was closest and corraled KAT from behind and brought him down with a headlock.  I was impressed that Teague grabbed Embiid's back and tried to restrain that massive man. Brave.

A weird incident as it happened in the backcourt, with most players downcourt on a fast break.  The first responders were the PHI assistants from the nearby bench, who all fell or slid around in their loafers and appeared useless.

But it wasn't much of a fight.  Don't think anyone threw a punch.  Just hugged and danced a bit before falling over.
Embiid enjoys being a heel, and played to the crowd on his exit.
He might not get suspended for fighting, but could for glorifying fighting with his shadow boxing routine and by pumping up the crowd on his way out.

Big guys, but like most NBA players they probably haven't been in a fight since 5th grade, when they grew enough to be double everyone else's size.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 02, 2019, 08:21:27 AM
Georgian Bitadze with 10 / 9 / 4 Blocks in 25 mins.
First game with real minutes.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 03, 2019, 11:56:59 AM
Zonja got the start and had 11 / 12 / 4 in 37 mins.

Unfortunately, Zachollins needs shoulder surgery.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2019, 08:43:02 PM
Hardaway has been awful the first 3 games.
29% FG; 2-17 on 3's.
Has gotten 21 or 22 mins each game.
3 rebounds and 4 assists for the season.

Update, please.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 04, 2019, 04:41:40 AM
Actually I gave Tim some props in the Knix forum for a big bench led W v. DEN. Brunson and Kleber and ? were also big that game. 

After that, last two games, Tim shot 39% FG, got just 2 FT's, had some boards.  Nothing notable.  Typical Tim below-average output.  But an improvement from the horrid start


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 04, 2019, 04:52:16 AM
HOU shooting 30% on 3's as a team.
Gordon 21.6% on 8.5 attempts.
Harden 21.5%
Westbrook sharpshooting at 25%.
Rustbrook went 1-6 on 3's in the MIA blowout loss.
The only 3 he made was a half court buzzer beater to cut the lead to 28 going into the 4Q.

Rivers 33.3% on 3's.
Tucker and House over 45%.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 08:35:34 AM

HOU shooting 30% on 3's as a team.
Gordon 21.6% on 8.5 attempts.
Harden 21.5%


Then other than those 2 Rockets shooting pretty well

3-3 start with all the misfires.  We should be so lucky.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 08:39:04 AM
House, Tucker, Rivers and Green 33.3% +
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 05, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
Rivers 33.3% on 3's.
Tucker and House over 45%.

My way seems more honest; less bs.


Cam Reddish off to an awful career shooting start.
1-18 on 3's.
21% FG.
And in the 5 games he played he got 20+ mins per (averaging 25).


I'm no draftnik, but when I heard Barrett was weak on 3's, iffy on D and a poor FT shooter, I was nervous.  RJB has an unusual style.  But for a rook, he plays at a very measured pace, is physical, and knows what he's doing.  Poised and confident. 
Terrific on the break.

The FT's have been bad, but that's easy to work on.  His defense seems mostly fine from what I've seen.  I certainly see more defensive mistakes from Randle, Portis and Knox.  And RJB is a multi-position defender.  A pleasant surprise on that end.

Jury out on his 3's.  But his form looks pretty good.  He made them early and has been missing lately.  But also likely to have tired legs form so many minutes and so much running around.

Fizz sounded like an idiot saying Spree averaged over 40, so somehow that means Barrett can too.  Spree was a durable guy who often was a league leader in minutes played.  What that has to do with Barrett is anybody's guess.  And times have changed.  Teams much more aware of rest and load management and long term health over short term whatever.

On a deep team, going nowhere, playing your studly rook 35+ mins a night is stupid. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 06, 2019, 03:55:30 AM
With Sabonis & MYTurn out, Bitadze got the start.
Fouled out in 34 mins.
6 Pts, 11 Boards, 4 Assists, 4 Blocks.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 06, 2019, 07:00:39 PM
Discussion on NBA Radio

Is Trae Young good enough where you can never say (as with Olajuwon and Jordan) that it was a mistake to select him over Doncic?


And with this in mind, early thumbs ups and downs for over/unders

Atlanta  over 34  (3-3)  - Collins out for 25 but looks promising   UP
Brooklyn over 42.5 (3-4) -  Can Kyrie MESH and get them consistent?    DOWN
Milwaukee 0ver 57.5 ((5-2) -  Steamroller on the move    UP
Minnesota over 35.5 (4-2) -  Towns said it.  Team bonded in summer and on a mission   UP
Philadelphia over 55 (5-1) - Strong is as strong DOES    UP

Boston under 49.5 (5-1) - I am ready to be thoroughly wrong, as Kemba shows he can lead   DOWN
Cleveland under 24 (2-5) - This one may be close -    NEUTRAL
Orlando under 42.5 (2-5) - So much talent but can they mesh ?  UP
San Antonio under 45.5 (4-3) - Bet against Pop?  Not a great idea, ever.  Liking Gay's contributions, Dermar is a beast but underwhelmed by other guard play  NEUTRAL
Utah under 53.5  (4-3) -  Donovan plateau or regress   What's an INGLES?   UP


6-2-2 - will update occasionally

   
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 07, 2019, 09:37:01 AM
I'll try to confine my trade proposals to the NBA forum.

POR and UTA need a PF.
Morris would fit well with either.
POR could also use some depth.
POR has Simons to offer.
UTA doesn't have anything except a pick.
Could always look around to involve a 3rd team.

Bogdanovich bears watching with SACto.
He seems to have some ballhandling and passing chops to go with his sniping.

More players will become available and more teams will want some depth or other upgrades.  We can help.

Knix have enough depth that we could make 2 trades.  I'd like to get a yute and pick.  And maybe a starting upgrade in another deal.   Will keep looking.

We have an overstocked non-cohesive team.

Still need to find a quality starting PG.
I would have added Lowry or Rubio when we had the chance.
Or Pa Bev -- love that guy.
Not sure Knix are going to really trend up until we get a bona fide PG.  Any good ones in the upcoming draft?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 12:24:09 AM
Rivers 33.3% on 3's.
Tucker and House over 45%.



Rivers    .414
Tucker   .488
House    .458

Harden up to .270
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 12:31:55 AM
Not sure Knix are going to really trend up until we get a bona fide PG.  Any good ones in the upcoming draft?


2 French guys

But do we dare?

I guess Greg Anthony's kid is the pearl.

Interesting guy is NICO MANNION 
https://www.nbadraft.net/players/nico-mannion/

Then there is LaMelo, toiling in the Aussie League
34/20/73 in 8 games
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 12:58:59 AM
And

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18o6UHbKWuw

Nash with hops
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 10, 2019, 09:29:47 AM
Quote
The only consistent contribution they're getting from their bench comes from Simons who could very well be a trade piece for Portland. He's averaging 10.5 points on 40 percent from beyond the arc and 50 percent from the field.

Portland is reportedly going to be active in the trade market, according to ESPN's Brian Windhorst, and Simons would definitely be someone opposing teams would want to have in any trade package with Portland. So, who do they target?

Yup.
I've seen some Simons lately and he looks pretty good.
Quick, good-looking 3 release.

I did tune in to the Nets game and immediately Simonise shot an elbow 3 over the rim.  But he was something like 3-5 on 3's at that point.

We could always look for a 3-way, in which we give POR a PF (say Morris) they need, and Ellington or Taj and we route Simons and say Smith Jr somewhere for a piece we covet.  Would give a team two young G's to work with. 

Simons is intriguing.  To us, or others.
Was strange POR moved on from both Aminu and Hark.
Replacing them with inconsistent guys journeymen Hood and Bazemore.  Lillard & McC aren't much on defense.
So you can't jettison both of your defensive F's, even if you were lamenting their 3's.

Anyway, I think Simons is in play if they can get a starting PF and a role player.  The talk has been Love and Galo.  But Morris fits the profile they need just as well, with less injury risk, and not the long bloated contract of Love.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 10, 2019, 12:31:58 PM
Portland is better this year - and thats not saying they will do as well in the tough West.

They miss Collins.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 11, 2019, 04:59:47 AM
Don't see how POR is better with Hood & Baze instead of Hark and Aminu.  The latter two complemented the Lillard/McCo backcourt.  They set screens, boarded and did the dirty work.  Too bad Aminu was dinged up and Hark couldn't hit key 3's.

Of course with Nurk and Zach out, things are rough.
Whiteside brings both good an bad.  A different version of Kanter.
I think POR got worse, and most predictions had their W total lower.


Just 9 games in, but Uber-Kell is close to 50/40/80 shooting splits. PHX 2nd leading scorer.  Also providing a block and steal per.
5.4 Boards and 1.6 assists.  It's mostly a continuation of what he did last year for PHX.  But the shooting is up playing with a real PG and getting strong C play from Baynes.
Uber-K turns 24 next month.

If Ayton can become a star, Oubre could be positioned as a very nice all-around wing 3rd option.  With Rubio steadying things.
And hopefully Bridges can build his game.
So far they've been competitive with Saric and FranktheTank (and Bridges) not shooting well. 

Again it's early, but so far this is Rubio's best year.  Lowest turnovers of his career, combined with best 3-pt shooting (37.5%) and best rebounding.  Small Sample Theater and all that.  But promising.  Rubio has certainly helped Booker be more efficient.
Book right now in the 50/50/90 zone.  54% FG / 53% 3's / 93% FT.

They just blew out the Nets.
PHX 6-3.  Two losses were 1 pt affairs to top teams DEN & UTA.
An OT 1 pt loss in DEN.  The other loss, MIA smoked 'em.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 10:50:07 AM
Knicks can have Oubre after next season.....
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 11:02:56 AM
Can Suns be .500 by Christmas?

Lakers tomorrow, Celts next week but not too tough around that
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 11:09:35 AM
Hardaway has been awful the first 3 games.
29% FG; 2-17 on 3's.
Has gotten 21 or 22 mins each game.
3 rebounds and 4 assists for the season.

18-40 from deep last six games
+69 over that stretch

Assists are at Oubre level - I agree - but should rise
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 11, 2019, 11:25:15 AM
Knicks can have Oubre after next season.....

Seems we could have had Uber.
Since we traded Tim Jr. to the Hawks, while Uber went to to WASh and we got Jerian Grant.  But we needed a PG.

Even though that didn't pan out, I thought it was a good move by Phil to pick up a mid round pick and try to get a quality PG.
(Delon Wright was the other PG possibility with that pick).

Knix likely have too many holes to pay a hefty amount for Uber.
We need to splurge on a PG.  But Uber has improved nicely every year.

Looks like Jerian Grant is out of the League this season.
Seems he signed with Qingdao (where the beer is from), a pleasant seaside city.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 11, 2019, 11:34:46 AM
Tim's streaky.
Bench sniper is the best role for him.
Not worth $20M.
I wouldn't worry about his assists, but would like to see more FT's, which means some drives.  And DAL should try to get him out on the break where he also shines.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 11:42:46 AM
Tim hasnt been 100%

But of course you know this.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 11, 2019, 11:57:34 AM
Didn't know that.
But Tim has had a variety of leg issues the past few years.
Seems a bad ankle now.

This "5 Prediction" article  on Tim is pretty accurate:
https://thesmokingcuban.com/2019/09/20/dallas-mavericks-2019-tim-hardaway-jr-predictions/
Mentions his injury woes.
Though I'm not sure about the in-season trade prediction.
That one surprised me.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 12:32:35 PM
Yeah

Its called SURGERY

Mavs need THJ if they want to make any kind of run.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 11, 2019, 03:16:46 PM
I think Morris has a good deal of value.
A vet who plays hard, with an inside-out game.
SA/Pops wanted him.  He's done pretty well, despite the lack of PG play in NY.
Morris would fit very nicely in POR, UTA, and other spots.

Just a matter of working out a deal.
POR should be tempted by:
Morris, Taj, a PG = Simons, Whiteside, 1st rounder. 

Taj fills in until Nurk returns.
Morris starts at PF -- they've been starting Zonja and using Rod Hood there a fair amount -- until Zach returns.

Come playoffs:
Lillard - ex Knick PG (let's say Elf)
McCol - Bazemore
Morris - Hood 
Zach - (Morris) - Zonja
Nurkic - Taj

That's a pretty deep talented team.
Would cost us 3 vets to get pup Simons and a late 1st round pick.
Whiteside an ending deal.

And there can be other deals out there.
Other options. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 08:37:06 PM
Say what you want - I dont think they are dealing Simons
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 08:38:47 PM
As for Morris - he will likely stay if we offer the most, so if we LIKE HIM, fuck - keep the guy and offer the most.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 11, 2019, 08:48:37 PM
Bazemore, LITTLE and a #1

for Morris, Ellington/Frank
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 13, 2019, 08:14:15 AM
I'd push for Simons or look for other deals.
I think Morris could really be an important piece for POR, UTA, ...
Especially if we traded him to POR around Dec 15, before their season was totally shot.


Mud & Jeff Green of all people led a big UTA home comeback.
Nets prone to giving up big leads.  And this time Kyrie couldn't hit the end game shot.  Mud was getting things done, mostly midrange and getting fouled. 

When they brought Conley back in (around 5 min mark), the offense got stagnant again, though they did enough to hold on.  I think you have to bring back in your starting PG, especially as riding your hot backup too long could lead to him wearing out.  Tricky, but I think you need to finish with your best.


Rough game for Uber.  0-5, a few turnovers, 4 fouls in 20 mins.  Didn't see it.  Maybe he was tasked with guarding LeBJ?  I'm guessing foul trouble kept his mins down, but probably in combo with poor play.  Suns have been competitive all season.  Rubio and Baynes have been a huge help.  Booker doing great with a PG running mate.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 13, 2019, 08:19:13 AM
Hate to say it - and of course Walker is playing with better personnel - but Bankshot was right about Walker vs Kyrie.....

Givin in time - but Nets should win that one last night, have to close better.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 13, 2019, 09:10:28 AM
I ragged Kyrie's leadership all last year.
There's already been talk that he's an a**hole at times in BKY.
Moody seems to be the preferred team manner of semi-acknowledging he can be a hassle and disruptive.

Not to mention that he's largely a 1-on-1 player with poor defense.
Guy's got great individual skills.  But needs a Big Brother like LeBJ kicking his butt at times.

Likely to be a mediocre up and down season for BKY.
They could make the playoffs since the East is weak.
And next year they'll have a moody, rehabbing, sometimes frustrated KD.   I don't see good times for the Nets.

Wonder why Kurucs isn't playing?
Hurt?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 13, 2019, 10:58:15 AM
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Rockets guard Eric Gordon set to miss four-to-six weeks after he undergoes an arthroscopic procedure on his knee, .

With Gordon out and Danuel House considered to be doubtful for Wednesday’s game vs. the Clippers due to a bruised back, Ben McLemore and Austin Rivers stand to take on the lion’s share of those minutes.

Seemed something was wrong, so not surprised Commissioner Gordon has some injury trouble.  He's been very sub-par and has had health issues in the past.  When healthy, he's pretty damn good.  Nice late career resurgence in HOU.

I often say that Brandon Roy and Gordon were the missing generation of star SG's -- both with injuries in their primes.  You had Kobe, Wade, Vince and then had to wait for Booker and Donovan Mitch.  Beal and McC coming along nicely.  Harden has been a link between them, though he's become a combo G. 

SG became a weak position as scoring PG's came to dominate.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 13, 2019, 05:34:48 PM


Likely to be a mediocre up and down season for BKY.
They could make the playoffs since the East is weak.
And next year they'll have a moody, rehabbing, sometimes frustrated KD.   I don't see good times for the Nets.



Nets built a culture in Brooklyn.  Credit to them.  But they cashed it in to lure Kyrie and Kevin, thus selling their souls.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on November 14, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
I came in here to note that Shump signed with BKY.
They could use more defense at the G spot.

I didn't realize Shump was out of the League.  Just 29, but trouble staying healthy.

Is there anywhere that lists the players who drop out of the league?
(retirees, exiles to int'land, FA's never picked up)


Didn't realize I left this Trivia Q hanging.

There's one more Net who scored 50 or more points.
In fact, 52 points in April 1982.
A former Knick.

The list of all 7 Nets who scored 50 or more is here (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1976&year_max=2020&is_playoffs=E&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=NJN&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=50&order_by=pts)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 14, 2019, 10:32:59 AM
47 for Harden, shooting well over 40% from behind the arc since it was posted here that he was struggling.

12 and 20 for Capela, who is "not that good" and "not worth his contract".

heh

Rockets-Lakers should be a hoot this year.  Hope it goes seven.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 14, 2019, 11:38:38 AM


Likely to be a mediocre up and down season for BKY.
They could make the playoffs since the East is weak.
And next year they'll have a moody, rehabbing, sometimes frustrated KD.   I don't see good times for the Nets.



Nets built a culture in Brooklyn.  Credit to them.  But they cashed it in to lure Kyrie and Kevin, thus selling their souls.

Did they overrate Dinwiddie?  What;s with Musa and Kurucs?  Are they part of this?  Seems they are way in the back seat

Allen is legit - and Prince was a heady acquisition.  Atkinson is a placeholder, though a good one.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 15, 2019, 12:40:44 AM
Meta-Musa playing more the last two games.

Nets blowing a big lead v. DEN ....
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 15, 2019, 12:44:03 AM
Nice bounce back game from Uber: 30 / 7 / 3 / 2 steals

Tank the Frank with B2B strong games.
Coming out of a long funk.
Good to see.

Tyler J with 0 Pts and a +22. 

ATL-PHX combined for 42 Turnovers.

Cam Reddish with a 2.52 PER
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on November 15, 2019, 02:40:20 AM
I am ragging on Fizz and getting bummed about our chances before every game from now on.

When the players come in for practice they need to find “every game is a Mavs game” taped above their lockers.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 15, 2019, 08:34:41 AM
Cam Reddish with a 2.52 PER


The "better Dukie", remember?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 15, 2019, 09:28:59 AM
This year's rooks voted Reddish most likely to have the best career.

I haven't ever seen him.
But I feel sorry for him to endure such a poor start.
A lot of folks were saying that he got into a perfect situation.

Some guys have trouble adjusting to NBA game speed, and/or the demands of travel, the grind,  the mental focus, the bank account, etc.

Anyway, super early in his career.  But confidence can be a fragile thing.
Title: okc beats phi
Post by: Kam on November 15, 2019, 11:27:53 PM
OKC beat PHI.   OKC is better than expected 5-7 and PHI 7-5 is worse that expected.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 17, 2019, 02:50:11 AM
Dinwiddie had a nice game with Kyrie out.
Problem is they have as very similar game, but of course more scoring wizardry from KI.  Joe Harris 22 & 8 assists.


Clips eviscerated the Hawks by 49 with Kawhi sitting and PG in charge.  37 Pts in just 20 mins!


Cam Reddish shot poorly, but filled up the stat sheet some (4 boards, 3 assists, 3 blocks), but a whopping -45.

If you're a rook shooting 18% on 3's, you shouldn't be jacking 3.5 per game.  He started his career 1-18 on 3's.  Went 3-3 in his 7th game, then 3-20 since.  Except for that one game, hasn't made more than one 3 in his 11 other games.  Except for that one game, Cam be a 10.5% 3-Point shooter.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 18, 2019, 04:47:56 AM
Random list of guys I'd like to have on my team (in no order):

Pa Bev
Motrezll
Rich Holmes
Brogdon
Josh Rich

Brad Beal
Sabonis
Shai
Middleton
Covington

Devonte Graham/Coby White
Smart
Bam
OG
DeJounte (caveat need to see him more post-injury)
Uber

RJB
Mitch

Mostly 2-way players, defenders, guys who play hard.

I certainly wouldn't mind Dev Book, Don Mitchell, Siakim, Giannis etc. but those are young franchise guys not likely to be on the move unless their team is as dumb as the Knix with KZ.

Some 2nd unit role players:
Meyers Leonard, Alex Len, Taj,

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 18, 2019, 04:57:15 AM
Check out the Celts-Sack highlight.
With 16 secs left in a tie game, Smart crashes in for an O-board.
Holmes blocks his putback effort.  Both fight for the rebound, wrestling each other to the ground.  (Smart got called for a loose ball foul).  Holmes hits 1 of 2 for a go-ahead Pt.  Smart comes back with a floater (over Holmes) that bounces around and rolls off.

Gotta love the effort from those guys.
Mofos compete and want to win.
On my team any day.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 18, 2019, 08:36:27 AM
I certainly wouldn't mind Dev Book, Don Mitchell, Siakim, Giannis etc. but those are young franchise guys not likely to be on the move unless their team is as dumb as the Knix with KZ.


Thiose guys will leave their teams - if they do not win.  SIAKAM - no.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 19, 2019, 04:47:15 AM
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Luka Doncic grew up idolizing LeBron James, and now the young NBA prodigy has joined James in the record book.

Doncic scored a career-high 42 points to go with 12 assists and 11 rebounds as the Mavericks held off the skidding San Antonio Spurs 117-110. Doncic is the second-youngest player in NBA history to have a 40-point triple-double, after James. They are the only two players to record 40-point triple-doubles before turning 21.

Doncic has an NBA-leading six triple-doubles in 13 games this season.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2019, 04:46:39 AM
Doncic with a 35 Pt triple double ... in 26 minutes.
The guy is Top 5 in the early MVP race.
Can't tell me you can't compare him to Bird due to skill level/ability.
If you think their skills diverge, that's a different distinction.

Tim Jr. got the start and had his best game of the season.
20 & 4 Ass in 22 mins.
Might turn out that Tim needs to play with Doncic to play his best.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 21, 2019, 10:01:02 AM
If you think their skills diverge, that's a different distinction.



Right
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 21, 2019, 10:03:26 AM
I am sure Coach Knight would have had a lot of fun with Doncic
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2019, 11:34:46 AM
Pa Gasol made $220M in his career.

Probably had some sort of sponsorship deals as well, maybe in Spain.

Played 6.5 years in Memf, and an equal 6.5 in LA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 22, 2019, 04:37:03 AM
Better game from Melo.
I liked that right away he decides to post up Giannis and loses the ball.  His 3's are falling which is a start, and could be helpful once Lillard returns.  And of course Melo played at PF with Tolliver at C (as Whitehead was out).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 22, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
Melo is indeed playing the 4 most of the time.  Wow - are they strapped.  Would have liked to have seen last night's performance.  I guess this means I care.  Heh.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 22, 2019, 10:00:12 AM
  Wow - are they strapped.

Which is why I'd try to get Simonsays and a 1st for Morris and some other role players they can use.  Such as Elf, since POR went into the season without a backup PG (and now Lillard is missing a few game).

POR has already started Zonja 4x, Nassir LittleRookie x3, and Tolliver x6.  In 3 weeks, Knix can offer them a whole package of role players in exchange for picks and yute.  Something like Morris, ElFrancSmith, Ellington.

We'd clear our logjams, and get Yute.
POR gets a starting PF and backup G's, exactly what they need to stay afloat until Nurk and Zach come back.


Out of nowhere, Labassiere had a 22 & 11, 3 Ass, 5 Block night.
Somehow that translated into a team worst -11.

Melo somehow is shooting 63% on 3's but just 34% overall.
Just 2 games, but that is highly unusual.

Btw, they mostly brought Melo in because Tolliver can't make anything this season.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 22, 2019, 11:01:07 AM
I think POR takes an 8th-seed run and whatever playoff finish it gets (including out of them) rather than divest of young talent
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 22, 2019, 11:09:12 AM
2017 Draft

Utah traded Trey Lyles and the #24 pick (Tyler Lydon selected) to DEN for the Donovan Mitchell the #13 pick.

Quite a brilliant move.
DEN could have had Mitchell.

So far lotta useful role players, few stars.  Problem is that the Top 10 was weak, as #1 & #2, Fultz and Ball, haven't played that much or up to expectations.
Franc and Jr. Smith also mar the Top 10.

Redraft?
1. Donovan Mitchell #13
2. Jayson Tatum #3
3. John Collins #19
4. DeAaron Fox #5

Others:
Markkanen #7; Bam #14; Ball #2

Good late round action:
Jarrett Allen #22; OG Anunoby #23; Kuzma #27;
Derrick White #29 Monte Morris #51;

Others could pan out as they get more experience.
Isaac, Kennard, DJ Wilson, Monk, Giles, etc.

DEN could have rectified their muff if they had selected Kuzma or Derrick White.  But they did hit in the 2nd round with Monte Morris at #51.

With the lats pick of the draft ATL chose Alpha Kaba #60.
Reportedly a real person from France ...

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 22, 2019, 11:18:09 AM
My feeling is that even fully healthy, Lillard-McCol-Hood-Zach-Nurk isn't good enough to compete with the Big Boys.  Probably still in the 5-8 range. 

So they need to upgrade for the future anyway, and might as well do it now to save this season.

Go to war with Lillard-McC-Morris-Zach-Nurk
and a bench of Elf-Ellington-Hood-Little-Melo-Tolliver
A much more complete team with depth.
That might be enough to make a run to the Conference Finals, if healthy.

Right now they are using Zonja, Simons, Little and 26 ppg starter Melo more than they'd like.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 22, 2019, 11:32:31 AM
I didn't realize Donovan Mitchell was just 6'1"
I thought he was around 6'3"

I assume his size is partly why he wasn't in the Top 10.
At 6'1" you really need to be a PG and he was seen as an SG.
Though he's graduated to combo guard.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2019, 12:41:55 PM
So they need to upgrade for the future anyway, and might as well do it now to save this season.


You dont upgrade the future with Morris  You do so bykeeping Simons or....if you don't want to pay him - dealing him for a pick.

If you want to peruse using one of our Dallas picks to get Simons, fine.  But I am not sure Blazers are ready to do this yet either
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2019, 12:45:00 PM
I didn't realize Donovan Mitchell was just 6'1"
I thought he was around 6'3"


Yeah... the league just shrunk some guys down

I think Mitchell finds his (OK) level in the league.  "Burgeoning superstar" didnt fit him.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2019, 12:48:53 PM
Trae Young's better, right?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 23, 2019, 02:33:11 PM
Mitchell looks pretty terrific to me.
His numbers are up across the board.
25 / 5.5 / 4
45% / 38% / 81%
21.7 PER
Better defense than before.

Last year Don Mitch was asked to do too much.
This year, Jazz have a better balanced team.
And Mitch has responded.
USA Summer helped him too.
Looks like an all-star to me.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
Team USA also overrated him a bit and you saw the result.

But you are right - good trade for Jazz.  Now they need to decide if they will pay him.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2019, 04:54:25 PM
Mitchell this year

8 rebounds  3 times
8 assists once
3 steals twice
50% shooting 6 times (20 last year)
20+ game score 6 times  (24 last year)

I will be looking for better shooting in playoffs his second go round (36-102, 11-43, 24-33) vs HOU
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2019, 05:09:39 PM
4/150 is about what Mitchell will be seeking when his deal is up.  That (max level) should increase...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 24, 2019, 08:48:00 AM
You pay him like a star.

Interesting Zach Lowe observations on UTAh's O and DEN's D:

Quote
a lot of midrange shots and too many pull-ups -- especially floaters from Mike Conley and Donovan Mitchell. Midrangers comprise half of Mitchell's attempts, by far the highest rate of his career.

Opponents are cagier defending Rudy Gobert's rim-running. Some teams appear to be sending help defenders into the lane a beat later than in prior seasons -- and having those guys crash hard when they finally go. The gambit appears to be throwing off Utah's ball handlers. Outside shooters aren't coming open as early. The lob to Gobert is there, and then it isn't. He is averaging 3.9 dunk attempts per 100 possessions, down from 6.2 last season, per Second Spectrum data.

That has left Conley and Mitchell wandering with live dribbles before settling for floaters.


On DEN's D:
Quote
Millsap has probably lost a quarter-step on defense, but he still is a bulwark: physical, always anticipating, forever in the right place at the right time with his magnet hands.

He is the common denominator in most of Denver's best defensive lineups. The Nuggets have allowed 96 points per 100 possessions with Millsap on the court, a number that balloons to 107 when he sits.

The Nuggets and Millsap could not agree on an extension before the season. Denver acquired Jerami Grant as Millsap's potential heir apparent. Grant is off to a slow start. Millsap keeps on trucking. His free agency looms as a more fraught subplot than the Nuggets might have expected.
Title: Thanksgiving tournament, playoff play-in games, and reseeding the final 4
Post by: Kam on November 24, 2019, 09:01:49 PM
The league, its broadcast partners and the player’s association are in serious discussions regarding a reseeding of the four conference finalists, a 30-team in-season tournament, a postseason play-in and cutting down the regular season from its current 82-game slate to a minimum of 78, according to ESPN.

These changes could be implemented as soon as by the 2021-22 season — the NBA’s 75th anniversary — provided the league’s Board of Governors votes on the initiatives at its meetings in May.

While the tournament is expected to make a lot of noise, the final-four-playoff reseeding could pit two of the league’s true best teams against one another in the NBA Finals. Currently the Eastern Conference champion faces off against the Western Conference champion for the title, which isn’t always a reflection of the league’s two best teams.

In addition, the playoff play-in proposal, as outlined by ESPN would include two four-team tournaments featuring the seventh, eighth, ninth, and 10th seeds in each conference. The seventh seed would host the eighth seed, with the winner of that single game earning the seventh spot. The loser would play the winner of the ninth seed vs. the 10th seed for the final playoff spot.
Title: Last night
Post by: Kam on November 26, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
Points scored


Giannis Melo Embiid
50        25     0
Title: Re: Thanksgiving tournament, playoff play-in games, and reseeding the final 4
Post by: Kam on November 26, 2019, 06:09:49 PM
In addition, the playoff play-in proposal, as outlined by ESPN would include two four-team tournaments featuring the seventh, eighth, ninth, and 10th seeds in each conference. The seventh seed would host the eighth seed, with the winner of that single game earning the seventh spot. The loser would play the winner of the ninth seed vs. the 10th seed for the final playoff spot.

So you have 6 playoff spots guaranteed in each conference.
the final 2 spots in each conference  can go to:
BOTH of the 7th and 8th seeds (in order determined by playing each other)  OR
ONE of the 7th and 8th seeds with the other to the 9th or 10th seed.

I love this change so much.  Along with going to a 78 games regular season. 
The teams in the play-in will have one or two play-in games but they will have playoffs atmosphere.

You get rid of four lousy contests at the end of the year when things are usually already decided and you make your regular season games more almost 5% more meaningful.  Which then limits teams resting players as that could cause them to drop out of the guaranteed playoff spot.


I don't like the mid-season tournament.  And it seems to add more games that ultimately dont mean anything.  Just create a pre-season tournament and be honest that they are pre-season games imbued with no meaning.


I don't like re-seeding the conf finalists.  Keep it East vs West.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 28, 2019, 09:53:03 AM
I prefer tradition.

Why cut the season to 78 games and then add goofy tournament games?

Maybe keep 82 but have a section of the schedule where all teams play in their division for 10-14 days.  Might rev up divisions which have lost much meaning in favor of conferences.  And help revive local rivalries.  A PHI-BOS Home-Home B2B.  Nets-Knix 2 games in 3 nights.  Etc.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 28, 2019, 09:55:19 AM
The other day I saw a few minutes of LAC-WAS.
And noticed that there were 3 young Laker cast-off C's playing well: Zubac, Mo Vagner, Thomas Bryant.
Meanwhile LAL squeezing life out of Dwight and JaVale.
For now and the future, I'd prefer one vet and one yute C.


Btw, give WASh some credit for snagging some useful players.
Bertans is a nice stretch Big.
Wagner can board and score from all over.
Hibachimura is looking like a solid #9 pick (though I wish he was an inch or two taller than 6'8".  PJ Washington the #12 pick has played real well for CHA.
I don't know anything about Troy Brown their 2018 pick (#15).
Jordan McRae has been giving them solid bench production.

But at least the Wiz are finding some talent here and there.
And 6-10 isn't a fairly solid record for them.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 29, 2019, 01:13:43 PM
The Lakers trading Zubac was inexplicable to me. It still is. 

That said, Howard is playing far better than I thought he was capable of, even at the 127 pounds he looks like now weighs.

I was certain we'd seen James' last championship.  While they need one more "guy" I think, I think the Lakers record is an accurate reflection of how good they are. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 29, 2019, 04:21:22 PM
Takes a big man - or you - to admit they were wrong.

LeBron decided on Zubac.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2019, 05:16:03 AM
Trying to find some Cam Reddish positives, I noticed that he shoots:
HOME  33% FG & 36% on 3's (3.1 3PtA's)
ROAD  24% FG & 11% on 3's (4.0 3PtA's)

That's a huge 3Pt disparity.  And seems to indicate he can make outside shots.  Not sure on the reason for those splits -- focus, preparation, distractions -- but at least a source of some optimism.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2019, 11:58:34 AM
Doncic only the 3rd player to average a 30 Point Triple-Double in a month.

The other two?
Oscar and Rustbrook.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 03, 2019, 11:23:45 AM
I think Luka can get there for the season (trip doub) - though it would be refreshing if his actions show no interest in matching the Big O and RW
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 04, 2019, 08:35:45 AM
I don't.

Gad Westbrook with a Trip-Dub, but shot just 7-30 with 5 turns.
Harden just 4-20 on 3's, but 24-24 on FT's.  24 Pts from the line!.

A coming out party for Lonnie Walker 4.
28 Pts and 3 steals.
18 4Q Pts.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 04, 2019, 12:10:58 PM

Gad Westbrook with a Trip-Dub, but shot just 7-30 with 5 turns.
Harden just 4-20 on 3's, but 24-24 on FT's.  24 Pts from the line!.

A coming out party for Lonnie Walker 4.
28 Pts and 3 steals.
18 4Q Pts.

Refs stole game from Rockets disallowing a Harden dunk that clearly went it before being carried over the rim by the net.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 04, 2019, 12:13:14 PM
Hmm.
Seems that was slightly under 8 mins and could have been challenged.  And only the delay figuring it out (wrongly) stopped HOU momentum.

So that's a real iffy assertion.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 04, 2019, 12:59:28 PM

Gad Westbrook with a Trip-Dub, but shot just 7-30 with 5 turns.
Harden just 4-20 on 3's, but 24-24 on FT's.  24 Pts from the line!.

A coming out party for Lonnie Walker 4.
28 Pts and 3 steals.
18 4Q Pts.



Refs stole game from Rockets disallowing a Harden dunk that clearly went it before being carried over the rim by the net.

wow.....

But James was 11-38, so...

no crying
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 06, 2019, 02:25:48 AM
Uber really coming along
6-21 FG, but 15 Boards, 4 Blocks, 3 Steals in 47 mins (OT game).

Two games back, he was 0-7 on 3's then nailed a pair of 3's in the final minute to steal a W.

Turns 24 in a few days.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 06, 2019, 07:00:42 AM
The usual 1 assist - and 3 turnovers.

Johnson's a sniper - will eat some of Oubre's minutes.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 06, 2019, 09:49:53 AM
The usual 1 assist - and 3 turnovers.
Johnson's a sniper - will eat some of Oubre's minutes.

I need to get a look at Cam.  A 23 year old 1st round pick (#11), turns 24 Feb 31.  So same as age as Uber (Cam two months younger).

My guess is Cam might steal time from Saric and Bridges.
Uber being too important to what the Suns do.
Does Cam play D, or does he play D like a rook?
PHX can score, but needs to defend.
(btw, Cam averaging 1 assist in 22 mins;  Uber 1.6 assists and turnovers in 32 mins)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2019, 01:31:16 PM
Cam was a surprise pick at 11.  Even his own teammate coby white was stunned.  If your own teammates are shocked where you went it shows you're not the most highly thought of athlete.

He's not a good defender.  He's a sniper.  Hitting 40% from deep.  He has the size and the motor to be a decent team defender.  John Wallace type.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 06, 2019, 01:54:36 PM
Already hearing rumbles that this is an underperforming draft class.

JaMorant looks like a future all-star.
Paschall the Big Surprise as the #41 pick putting up 17 PPG.

RJB is down to 40 / 30 /53 shooting splits.

PJ Wash & Brandon Clarke have shown flashes.
Thybulle a nice later pick #20, showing 2-way potential.

I assume many more will find their footing at a later date ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 07, 2019, 02:59:07 AM
Quote
Portland Trail Blazers swingman Rodney Hood tore his left Achilles tendon in the first quarter Friday night.

Morris trade still in play ...

Q:  Who was in the Melo role before Melo?

A:  Zonja.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 07, 2019, 10:42:01 AM
Already hearing rumbles that this is an underperforming draft class.

JaMorant looks like a future all-star.
Paschall the Big Surprise as the #41 pick putting up 17 PPG.

RJB is down to 40 / 30 /53 shooting splits.

PJ Wash & Brandon Clarke have shown flashes.
Thybulle a nice later pick #20, showing 2-way potential.

I assume many more will find their footing at a later date ...

Clarke's efficiency is insane
Hachimura alsso playing quite well.  I want us to look very  closely at their Zags teammate Killian Tillie this year in round 2.
Johnson and Herro of course are the snipers.  Celts from what I hear wanted Tyler Herro but Riles and company pounced and broke their hearts.  C's know talent, even if they did pass on Ball and Fultz.  :)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 11:40:32 AM
Hardaway Jr shooting 54/48/92 his last ten games (8 wins)

Mavs have won 10 of 12. 

Yeah, hoping for that injury if we want a high 2021 pick

heh
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 09, 2019, 01:34:56 PM
Tim Jr. still the same streaky mofo.

He was 4-24 on 3's his last 4 games.
Then busted out with a 9-12 scorching. 
Which is a crazy way to get to 36% in his last 5 games.

His 5 games before that 4 game 4-24 slump?  20-33
4 games before that?  3-21
Is there a streakier 3-pt shooter in the land?

It hasn't mattered though.
Doncic is that good.
Inserting Hardaway into the starting lineup and playing outscore'em hoops has worked.

DAL had 3 games in a row with 137 or more points.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 11, 2019, 07:10:57 AM
MIA had 3 starters over 30 Pts and the other (Butler) with a triple-double.
Bam had a 30 Pt trip-dub as well.

Duncan Robinson was 10-14 on 3's.
46 / 45 / 94 on the season.

MIA always seems to get the best out of role players.
Kendrick Nunn and Duncan Robinson two nice stories this year.
Dragic and Winslow have missed a lot of games.  Hasn't mattered much.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2019, 09:32:07 PM
Duncan Robinson played his first college season at Williams College. That's mind-boggling to me.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 12, 2019, 04:18:36 AM
The Frog returned and INDy got a nice W over the Smelts.
Brogdon 15-15 on FT's.
The Holidays combined for 35.  They filled in nicely and now in pretty good form.  Sabonis with a near trip-dub (8 assists).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 12, 2019, 08:55:19 AM
Almost impossible line from the Holidays

Both shot well (7-14, 8-9)

But Justin was a +1 and Aaron a +29 in similar minutes.

Must have been some run in there
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 13, 2019, 01:46:50 AM
Breakout game for Seth Curry: 30 / 7 /4 in 34 mins.
Stepped up for Tim's 1-6 FG 2 Pt performance.
Seems like it's been a quiet year for Scurry 1.0.
Will help DAL if he can get going.

Courtly went from starter to DNP guy.
I think Carlisle wanted his D to stabilixe things initially, but then realized how passive Courtly is, and decided to go with more firepower.
They've been winning with Tim Jr. as starter, even as he continues to be streaky as they come.

Courtly on his 8th team in 12 years.
The guy has a career shooting splits: 45% / 39% / 85%
And a fairly solid defender.
But just far too passive to make an impact.
Kind of a strange career.  Became a journeyman just for lack of aggression.  Now 34 and about done.

Phil overpaid for Courtly after Afflalo and Tim didn't pan out.
With guys like Tim, Courtly, Crabbe et al. getting big money contracts it's safe to say that 3 Point shooting pays well.

Probably biggest $$ wastes go to 3-point shooters who don't play D and are erratic, and C's who are unimpactful (Mahinmi et al.)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 13, 2019, 08:19:27 AM
Seth is a very talented sniper in his own right.  No doubt.

Tim didnt like the tamales.

Good coaching there - staying with the hot hand (take notes, Fiz)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 13, 2019, 08:37:03 AM
Cleveland gets 83 points from Love/Sexron/Clarkson - beats San Antonio on the road.  First road win in over a month.

Wanted to see how it transpired (play by play on Yahoo) - and sure enough -  CAVS DOWN THREE and hit a three pointer with 7 seconds left.

Even POP is not immune to the stupidity of not fouling.

Spurs had actually gone up FIVE with :20 on the clock.  Allowed a passive D layup by Sexton to get it to THREE - then DeRozen yakked 2 free throws, opening the door for the tying 3 pointer and overtime.

Sick - especially for a Spurs moneyline bettor.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 14, 2019, 09:53:40 AM
Nice to see Marquise Chriss contributing for GS.
Just had 12 & 13 & 5 with 2 blocks in 23 mins v Utah.
B2B double doubles with multiple blocks.
Just 22 years old.
81% FT, whereas he averaged just 61% his first two seasons in PHX.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 14, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
Popovich did it again.  Up 3, doesn't foul.  Yep - overtime.

Good game,  Suns playing ok without Booker
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 14, 2019, 07:56:59 PM
Uber K!

Then a disaster to end OT.

Painful loss for PHX.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 16, 2019, 12:08:54 PM
NBA Trivia.

Name the top 5 teams in terms of 3Pt%.

I was pretty surprised by the list.

I knew that HOU was off this year with Westbrook replacing CP3, Commissioner Gordon unable to answer the Red Rocket phone, and even Harden doing more damage from FT-land than from deep.

After that, I didn't have much clue which teams were knocking down 3's at a good clip.  The bottom 10 makes a lot of sense and would be easier to guess, methinks.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 19, 2019, 12:31:00 AM
The Latvian Invasion continues:
7'2" Andzejs Pasecniks just made his debut for WASH.
Hopefully his nickname isn't AP.

Btw, Bertans, who Kam laughed at recently, is having a great shooting season.  Last I saw he was 2nd in the League in 3-Pointers made.  Only behind Harden, but Bertans shoots 46% to Harden's 36%.

While Kurucs is just coming up on 22 years of age, and could be had from a crowded Nets team . . .
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 19, 2019, 01:01:38 PM
I didn't laugh at Bertans. I just questioned your assertion that Washington wouldn't want Randle over Davis.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 25, 2019, 02:51:20 PM
while kurucs could be had...

Not too cheaply
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on January 18, 2020, 07:01:28 AM
All 11 Wizards who played had a turnover.
26 for the team.

Why they started Mahinmi and Thos Bryant together is unfathomable.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 18, 2020, 08:01:22 AM
With BONGA!

Kid gets 17 and 10

I dont mind a team trying new approaches.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: PrezIke on February 07, 2020, 08:54:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Lakers/status/1225939385515823104
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 07, 2020, 09:13:56 PM
Cool, Prez -thanks for the link.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 08, 2020, 07:04:27 AM
Ubermench with a career high 39 on great shooting (7-9 on 3's; 7-10 on 2's),  added 9 boards and 2 blocks.   But the no assists really worry me ...

PHX dismantled Westbrookless Rockettes.
If Uber gets more consistent on 3's, he'll be super-dangerous.

He's up to 46% FG. 37% on 3's. 79% FT.  Averaging over 36 mpg the past 2+ months.

Last 3 games: 90 points on 15-22 triples.
Title: NBA TV ratings down double-figures
Post by: Kam on February 19, 2020, 01:08:40 PM
Quote
11 teams can’t even get a 1.00 rating locally, including both New York teams (0.85 for the Knicks on MSG and 0.45, the league’s third-lowest mark, for the Nets on YES)

Nets stand to have the biggest increase next season with a healthy squad.

https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/nba-ratings-are-down-13-locally-and-the-warriors-have-taken-a-shocking-66-local-hit.html (https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/nba-ratings-are-down-13-locally-and-the-warriors-have-taken-a-shocking-66-local-hit.html)
Title: Kyrie out
Post by: Kam on February 20, 2020, 06:17:49 PM
Done for the season
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on March 07, 2020, 11:30:05 AM
https://www.complex.com/sports/2020/03/nba-reportedly-tells-teams-to-prepare-for-games-without-fans-because-coronavirus?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=sportstw&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2OipHfyjPIKA-cN8jp68W8vZs3wPCxRVLHM8R0DJNt8gO3k8WVqznS82A

I posted this in both here and the Trump place because I know there are readers who don't do this one or don't do that one.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 07, 2020, 12:43:25 PM
I can see that to finish out the regular season if necessary, and maybe in just a few cities.  But it's kind of hard to imagine that during the playoffs.  Also, that's probably a couple million dollars lost per fanless game.  Contingency planning makes sense though.

China shut down its entire basketball league.
It wasn't easy for foreign players to get clearance to play elsewhere since the CBA was officially on hold and the season not cancelled.   Ex-Knick Chasson Randle had a hard time getting his FIBA clearance, but finally his Chinese team relented -- probably costing him some money -- and he signed a 10-day contract with the Lakers (I think it was).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on March 07, 2020, 08:03:37 PM
https://www.nba.com/article/2020/03/07/coronavirus-lebron-wont-play-empty-arenas

LeBron says he won't do it.

Lakers could save a ton of money to make up for the lack of fans!
Title: Atkinson
Post by: Kam on March 07, 2020, 11:19:53 PM
Kenny Atkinson let go by the NETS
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on March 08, 2020, 06:10:00 AM
Gee, my guess (in the Knix forum) that it was Kyrie's doing seems to have backup:
Quote
Irving soured on Atkinson early, league sources told Yahoo Sports, and currently prefers Clippers assistant Tyronn Lue to be the team’s next head coach. Lue was the head coach in Cleveland when Irving hit the winning shot in the 2016 NBA Finals and was in talks to take the Lakers job before discussions broke down.

Kyrie managed a 20 game season, was pouty, the Nets frequently played best without him, and he likely got his coach fired.  Terrific.

And BOS improved greatly without him.  Tatum and Jaylen's trajectory back on track.  Glad we aren't saddled with those two star gimps (KI & KD).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 08, 2020, 06:28:41 AM
Caught the 1st half of DET v. UTA, wondering who plays for the Pistons since they waived nearly their whole starting lineup (Drummond, RegJax, Morris).

Well, Christian Wood has been killing it.
7 post-AS games, 23, 10 & 2 on 53%FG  3.4 O-boards.
Last 14 games (Feb & Mar): 21, 9+ and 37% on 3's.
10 games as a starter: 21, 10 & 2.  53% - 38% - 76%

Otherwise DET has guys named Mykhailiuk and Doumbouya.
At least one bright spot for Pistoff basketball.
Don't think I've ever seen a team jettison their 3 best players for nothing before in one season

Really, RegJax - Kennard - Morris - Blake - Drummond looks like a formidable team.
Unfortunately most of them were injured or underperformed or both.
Bench: Rose - Myjhailluk - Snell - Wood - Maker
With health that's a solid playoff team and over .500.
Of course, Jax, Blake and Rose have well-documented injury histories.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 08, 2020, 11:34:43 AM
Love it when formerly non descript guys get minutes and produce.

DET did get something for Drummond, I think.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 08, 2020, 02:02:18 PM
Not really.

Quote
Traded by the Detroit Pistons to the Cleveland Cavaliers for John Henson, Brandon Knight and a 2023 2nd round draft pick. (2023 second-round pick is the least favorable of CLE's and GSW's 2023 second-round picks)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 08, 2020, 04:53:53 PM
They have both - Knight and Henson - been quite good for DET - and will make a lesser salary for next year if kept
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 08, 2020, 05:43:11 PM
An embarrassing trade.
Knick-like in fact.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 11, 2020, 04:51:31 PM
It begins . . .

Quote
The Golden State Warriors will play Thursday's game against the Brooklyn Nets without fans in attendance in accordance with San Francisco's ban on gatherings of 1,000 people or more to combat the spread of the coronavirus
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on March 11, 2020, 09:59:10 PM
It begins . . .

Quote
The Golden State Warriors will play Thursday's game against the Brooklyn Nets without fans in attendance in accordance with San Francisco's ban on gatherings of 1,000 people or more to combat the spread of the coronavirus

And ends.

The NBA cancelled the remainder of their season.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 11, 2020, 10:09:23 PM
Not quite.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on March 11, 2020, 10:41:31 PM
Not quite.

"The NBA is suspending game play following the conclusion of Wednesday's schedule of games until further notice.  The NBA will use this hiatus to determine next steps for moving forward in regard to the coronavirus pandemic."

With one player having tested positive, I suspect their intermediate path is now going to be tough to manage. I suppose they could find another intermediate path, but I don't know what it would be.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 11, 2020, 10:56:59 PM
Right. They haven't canceled the remainder of the season. Yet.
Title: If it were up to me
Post by: Kam on March 11, 2020, 11:29:45 PM
They should do a 15-30 day quarantine.
Then begin the playoffs to empty arenas.
Title: It's all Daryl Morey's Fault ...
Post by: bodiddley on March 12, 2020, 03:51:15 AM
First China cancels its contract with the NBA and stops showing games on TV just before the season starts.  Then China has an infectious disease that travels the globe.  Causing the NBA to stop playing.  Connect the dots people!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 13, 2020, 08:56:27 AM
PELS:  Zion, Ingram, Ballzo, Jaxson Hayes
DAL:   Luka, KZ, Funky-Smith, Brunson
ATL:   Trae, Collins, Hunter, Huerter, Reddish
PHI:   Simmons, Embiid, Thybull, Shake Milty
MIN:  KAT, Tangelo, Culver, Okogie
PHX:   Booker, Ayton, Bridges
GRiZ:  Ja, Brooks, Jackson, [Clark]

Just for reference so I don't have to do it again and won't forget which teams have a strong yute brigade.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 02, 2020, 10:55:06 PM
Morey Tweet
Stern death
Kobe crash
Covid-19

Worst season ever?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2020, 04:38:18 AM
Quote
Solve Luka's Clutch Issues

Ron Jenkins/Associated Press
For a team in the early stages of contention, the Mavericks don't have a lot of roster needs. They have the necessary two stars, a host of secondary playmakers, shooters and perimeter defenders, and several serviceable rim protectors.

So we're digging deep to find an issue that, if it's not solved, could halt Dallas' return to prominence.

After performing well enough late in games as a rookie, Luka Doncic has disappeared in big moments this year. The superstar has a minus-9.0 net rating in clutch situations and is shooting just 32.3 percent from the field over 26 games.

Is this just a sophomore slump, or indicative of a larger problem for Dallas' playoff potential? It's tough to tell right now.

On one hand, Luka's elite basketball IQ and excellent statistical production in the first 43 minutes of games suggests it's only a matter of time before he figures out the last five. If Stephen Curry and James Harden, two average vertical athletes in their own right, can lead elite offenses to playoff series victories, why can't Luka?

However, Luka's lack of top-tier athleticism was a question in the draft, so perhaps that mild shortcoming will keep rearing its ugly head for the precocious 21-year old throughout his career.

Doncic cannot shoulder all the blame. Dallas has the fourth-worst clutch net rating leaguewide, and no individual Maverick boasts a positive net rating in those situations. But as the engine of the team's normally elite offense, Luka does bear the most responsibility for Dallas' late-game struggles.

I noticed this too.
As a rook, Doncic made some crazy and icredible clutch plays in the last few minutes of games.  Some games he would go back and forth between mucking up and heroics, but seemed to get otherworldly when it mattered.  Some shots were like 30' bombs.

This year Luka and the team haven't been winning close games.  The crazy magic running low?  They had KZ miss a bunch of games, and their chemistry was a work in progress.  And KZ wasn't clutch either.

I assume they'll work it out.  But you'd want Luka taking or creating better late game ops.  And you want KZ being a threat/decoy in end game situations.  You don't want to rely on Tim jr or Scurry2 too much, but those guys can shoot form distance when hot.

Probably just a soph (endgame) slump.  but teams adjust, and Luka needs to rein in some of the slop.  And they need to get the chemistry issues ironed out.  Fortunately they have Carlisle who is one of the solidest coaches out there.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2020, 08:05:53 AM
A 2015 ReDraft:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2885437-re-drafting-the-2015-nba-draft-class

They bump KZ up to 3rd, leaving the Knix with Myles Turner.

They wind up with 6 2nd rounders and 4 undrafteds in their new 1st round.
That's 1/3 of the players.  Including 3 2nd rounders they have in their Top 8.


They slot Muddy in at 30.
They should also quickly list maybe a handful of Others/2nd rounders.

 A weird draft with a very funky Top 10.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2020, 01:12:32 PM
Knicks pass on Winslow a second time

Heh

Here I would take Russell ...but Justice over Turner.

Good draft.  That 21-30 is impressive
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
Good draft.  That 21-30 is impressive

Unfortunately, Knix took Jerian Grant #19.
But I don't see much in 21-30.

The 2nd round, 31-41 was pretty nice: Montrezl, Richaun Holmes, Willy, Josh Rich, Connaughton.  Norm Powell #45.

Weird draft, since 6 of the Top 9 shouldn't have been near that high.  Including 3 or 4 so far busts.

I still think Winslow was overrated.
Went about where he should.
And I'd take MyTurn over Winslow without hesitation.
Turner is a nice two-way player, with an inside-outside game.
Just could use more aggression, to up his motor a little.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
Sam Smith:

Quote
But Michael singled him [Ho Grant] out on the broadcast [as a primary Smith source for his book] because, you know, Horace was the one who would often stand up to Michael on behalf of the players. In practice, when Jordan sucker punched Will Perdue, Will was practically crying and didn’t fight back; Horace was the one who went to fight back. Horace wasn’t in the card games with Michael, wasn’t in his group and didn’t hang around with him, but he would stand up to him. Horace was going to be a Marine before he turned to basketball; that was always his dream. And that’s why he was so close with Johnny Bach, the military guy on the staff. Horace wasn’t as quick-witted as Michael or as sharp, but Michael didn’t like that Horace wasn’t intimidated by him. He’s still holding that grudge, just like he is with Isiah Thomas and Jerry Krause.

Interesting and likely why Ho Grant was gone after the first run.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2020, 05:26:19 PM
unfortunately, Knix took Jerian Grant #19.
But I don't see much in 21-30



lol
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2020, 05:36:31 PM
Sam Smith also excuses Jordan's "Republicans buy sneakers too" quip as just a joke.
And that Jordan didn't have any political philosophy (probably or knowledge).

But jokes often contain truths, and Jordan was about the money and marketing.  And when he was asked to make a difference and try to help remove a hardcore racist in Storm Thurmond from his home state, Jordan punted.  I never liked Jordan's proffered reason that he had never met Harvey Gantt, as I'm sure it would have been very easy to get the two together for a sit-down if Jordan was willing.  So that always seemed like a BS excuse to me.  And if Jordan was too busy or apolitical, he could have sent a trusted aid to suss it out and see if he should endorse Gantt.  Jordan's mother asked him to film an endorsement commercial  for Gantt.

Jordan of course could remain disengaged, but then it's fair for folks to think of him as greedy and selfish and disconnected.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2020, 05:42:49 PM
unfortunately, Knix took Jerian Grant #19.
But I don't see much in 21-30


lol

Instead of doing your patented ass routine, why don't you tell us who you like there.  I see Nance and a few limited role players.
I don't really know Jarell Martin, wasn't even sure which team he was on.  Might never have seen him play (his limited minutes).

11-16 was the best part below the Top 4.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 12, 2020, 01:32:29 PM
So ESPN ranked the 74 bets NBA players ever, since the 74th season is discontinued and they need to fill up their website with something.

Ranking the top 74 NBA players of all time: Nos. 40-11 (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29105681/ranking-top-74-nba-players-all-nos-40-11)

The Top 12 is pretty much what you'd expect.  Though I haven't clicked to see the order they went with.

Probably something like:
MJ, LeBJ, Russ, Kareem, Magic,
Wilt, Bird, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe
I see they have:
11. Oscar  12 Hakeem

Then they put 13 Scurry & 14 Durant in a trend of putting today's players too high, likely since most fans who care about the NBA and rankings are younger folks who have never really seen the dinosaurs of yesterday play.
Kawhi @ 25 seems way high.

To me, the interesting run is the all-time PG's:
28 Stockton
29 Iverson (was a he a PG?)
30. Nash
31. I say uh (Isiah)

35. Kidd
39. Clyde
40. Chris Paul
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 12, 2020, 01:43:43 PM
FWIW, they have:
37 Ewing
39 Clyde
59 McAdoo
60 Willis
64 Pearl
69 Bernard
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 12, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
Disrespectful to Patrick.  Was he a cut below Hakeem, yes.  David Robinson? No.  And he was way more dominant than the Karl Malones and Charles Barkleys of the era (Namely Karl Malone and Charles Barkley).  If Patrick is that low then Zo and Dikembe shouldn't even make the list.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 02:44:58 PM
I forget where I hear this but a recent opinion on the airwaves was that a 4th LeBron title this year would be tainted - and shouldn't be counted in the march toward Jordan's 6.

Just a bit preposterous, I'd say

Related - is it better to make 9/10 Finals to 6, having won 6 - or is the 6/6 better?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 02:46:45 PM

On the same show, heard, "there will NEVER be another LeBron - nobody will ever do this again after age 35"

Sounds like "never be another Mike,"
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 12, 2020, 03:29:44 PM
Fuck LeBron.  How many superstars does one "All time great" need to win?

Only makes Ewing's case stronger for a better ranking.  Who the hell did Patrick ever have to play with that was worth a damn?

No super-star (except Hakeem) did more with less.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 12, 2020, 04:04:19 PM
Yeah, the manufactured super-team.  And then they blow a Finals to an inferior Mavs team.  And go 2-2 in the Finals.



As for Durant, there were many years where he played sub-par defense for OKC.  And he used to routinely choke in the clutch.  Sure he played well and won two titles when he joined a team that was already a title favorite.  I'd mark him down a good deal.

I'll take Dr. J, West, Havlicek, the Malones, KG; maybe Pippen and Rick Barry ahead of Durant.  Probably Elgin if I ever saw him play.  Barkley, The Admiral, Wade, Stockton -- Durant might fall in that tier.  Was Durant better than Ewing?  I'd likely have him closer to 30.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 04:07:51 PM
Fuck LeBron.  How many superstars does one "All time great" need to win?



Jordan needed ONE

Arguable how many LBJ needed but likely also ONE
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 04:10:16 PM
Good draft.  That 21-30 is impressive

Unfortunately, Knix took Jerian Grant #19.
But I don't see much in 21-30.

The 2nd round, 31-41 was pretty nice: Montrezl, Richaun Holmes, Willy, Josh Rich, Connaughton.  Norm Powell #45.

Weird draft, since 6 of the Top 9 shouldn't have been near that high.  Including 3 or 4 so far busts.

I still think Winslow was overrated.
Went about where he should.
And I'd take MyTurn over Winslow without hesitation.
Turner is a nice two-way player, with an inside-outside game.
Just could use more aggression, to up his motor a little.

I was speaking to what was linked - 21-30 in the redraft, not the actual draft

Cheers
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 04:22:23 PM
I think Memphis is poised to be very good next year with Winslow aboard.  Still likely too young

Dieng
Valenciunus
Jaren J
Winslow
Marant
B Clarke
D Brooks
G Allen
Ky Anderson
Ty Jones
Guduric

add picks 22 and 40

add  from exception money (salaries at 113 mil)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 04:25:39 PM
Lets not forget - Winslow played PG in Miami - could see some off the ball Marant sets from the mind of Taylor Jenkins
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 12, 2020, 04:42:33 PM
TRIVIA

Name the 2 players in the Top 30 in all-time NBA scoring who didn't make ESPN's Top 74 all-time players.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 12, 2020, 08:27:18 PM
Fuck LeBron.  How many superstars does one "All time great" need to win?



Jordan needed ONE

Arguable how many LBJ needed but likely also ONE

Jordan had one (Pippen).  LeBron has had Wade, Bosh, Irving, Love and now Davis.  Not even a comparison.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 11:35:33 PM
Wade

Maybe Kyrie

Davis

all on different teams

so ONE
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2020, 11:47:43 PM
Newest mock looking more kosher

https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/


Kncks - if no deal up - nab Anthony, leaving aside Okongwu, Hayes, Haliburton and Carey
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 13, 2020, 04:44:28 AM
Love & Bosh were both all-stars who had been lead dogs on their teams for years.  Nice luxury for LeBJ to have a player of that caliber as 3rd best player/option on his team(s).

Also I'll give MJ credit for helping mold Pip into a star, as opposed to LeBJ who teamed up when stars were available to be teammates.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 13, 2020, 04:50:05 AM
Newest mock looking more kosher
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/

I'm pretty sure that's their exact same mock from a few months ago just with a new date slapped on it.  Mannion way up high @ 12.  Saddiq Bey 23.  Vassell down around our 2nd round pick.  Us picking a Scrubb in the 2nd round.

Some thinking has changed since then, and this doesn't reflect that.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 13, 2020, 09:04:01 PM





Just stop.  You look silly in your need for debate


Bosh = Kukoc

Love = Grant




please - do not reply













Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 14, 2020, 01:51:16 AM
Quote
Bosh = Kukoc
Love = Grant

And I look stupid.

Neither of those guys ever led a team.
Grant made one all-star team.
Nice players, but not of the caliber of a Bosh or Love.

As for telling me what to do.
You can just Fuck Off.
It's a message board.
You don'[t like what's written, LEAVE.  Disafuckingppear.

No one would miss you.
No one likes you here.
Because you act like an asshole, like your opinion is somehow important, like you know shit you don't.
You're also rude, and induce other people to be rude as well.
Would hate to have to deal with a cretin like you in the real world.
I have enjoyed your metamorphosis into quoting Trump though.
That's been amusing.

Also, better luck with cap locks.
Looks like drunk and stupid posting to me.
The stupid part you can't help, but try not to post while drunk or cAPS lOCK is on ...
Idiot.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 14, 2020, 07:31:53 PM
Love & Bosh were both all-stars who had been lead dogs on their teams for years.  Nice luxury for LeBJ to have a player of that caliber as 3rd best player/option on his team(s).

Also I'll give MJ credit for helping mold Pip into a star, as opposed to LeBJ who teamed up when stars were available to be teammates.

Definitely.  Pippen was a nice player, but you saw what happened when he was asked to be THE MAN.  He had the worst moment of his career in the biggest stage he had been asked to play, in that game where Kukoc made the winning shot and he had checked himself out of the game at the end of the bench.  Jordan covered for a multitude of sins, even those of a great player.   I think playing with Jordan really elevated Scottie early in his career.  In fact, when Scottie first got to the Bulls he really struggled against physicality in the playoffs and was dubbed "fragile", you could push him around physically and mentally (remember the migraines in the playoffs?). Jordan toughened him up.  Then when there was no Jordan, Pippen played very well but not well enough to get past the Knicks.  The one time the Knicks beat the Bulls in the playoffs was the one time Pippen had to lead on his own.  Pippen was an amazing 2nd option, but he's not in the HOF of leaders.  Can't say that about D-Wade.  Let alone all the other top dawgs LeBron has had as his 2nd and 3rd options.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 17, 2020, 11:18:42 AM
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Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 17, 2020, 11:22:48 AM
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Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2020, 11:34:54 AM
17, 7 and 5 with 2 steals per for Pippen in playoffs - final year with Bulls at age 32.  20 PER player

Other PER for season were

Kukoc  17
Burrell 16
Harper 15
Longley  13
Kerr  13
Rodman  12

(for players 15+ minutes per game)

Bad playoff series his one year in HOU (just 54 games total - strike year)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2020, 08:51:03 PM
- Jordan made Pippen a star -

Most moronic thing I have read on this forum in years.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on May 17, 2020, 09:29:22 PM
bO JUST STOP WITH THIS ENDLESS NEED FOR DEBATE - YOU LOOK STUPID

please - do not reply

Ever consider that it's you, Kid, not everybody else?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 17, 2020, 10:13:09 PM
- Jordan made Pippen a star -

Most moronic thing I have read on this forum in years.

Quote me don't paraphrase me.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 21, 2020, 01:10:15 PM
Hoopshype had an article about Kareem's bona fides for GOAT.  And one knock was that there weren't other great C's in his prime.  But I think that's a phony argument.

Kareem had a few years overlap with an aging, still dominant Wilt.  Same with Willis.  Nate Thurmond was still a mofo the first 5 years of Kareems career.

Wes Unseld was both Rook of the Year and MVP the year before Kareem entered the league, so their careers coincided.  Wes took his team to three '70's Finals.

Cowens was another almost exact contemporary of Kareem's.  Cowens averaged 18 & 14 & 4 in 10 seasons with BOS.  Also won 1 MVP and was Top 4 in MVP votes three other years.

Bob Lanier, Artis Gilmore -- these were big tough dudes.
Lanier's career started the year after Kareem's.  Career 20 & 10 guy.
Bob McAdoo played a lot of C and was a scoring machine.  Won an MVP.

Artis started a year after Lanier (2 after Kareem) but ABA-ed it for 5 seasons.
So he was a mid/late rival to Kareem.
As was Bill Walton, a major force for a few years.  Then there was a dominant Moses Malone.

Seems like a helluva lot of great Big C's in the 70's, to Bo.
In fact from 1970 (Willis) to 1980, only C's won the MVP award (5 of 11 times it was Kareem).

I think Kareem gets devalued somewhat because he only won 1 title as The Man.  And was 2nd best to Magic on his 5 other title teams.  And the 70's was a bit of a lull in the NBA, without a dominant team, before the revival ushered in by Bird & Magic (and the Celt/Laker dominance/rivalry).
Title: Trivia
Post by: Kam on May 27, 2020, 07:07:42 PM
Two franchises have never won their division.  One in the East, One in the West.  Name them.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 12, 2020, 05:10:54 AM
Interesting.  Lonnie Walker IV says he was sexually abused as a kid and wearing his hair in unusual ways was a form of therapy for him (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29300594/spurs-lonnie-walker-iv-says-new-haircut-freeing-works-sexual-abuse), something he could control and hide behind.  A way to look confident and hide his insecurity.

Feeling better mentally, he decided to cut off his flop locks.
Brave to come out in public.
Read in his longish statement in the link.  Makes you want to pull for him.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 12, 2020, 10:17:43 AM
I think Kareem gets devalued somewhat because he only won 1 title as The Man.  And was 2nd best to Magic on his 5 other title teams. And the 70's was a bit of a lull in the NBA, without a dominant team, before the revival ushered in by Bird & Magic (and the Celt/Laker dominance/rivalry).


Devalued by you maybe.

The bold part is absolute rubbish.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 12, 2020, 10:48:11 AM
Okay, Kareem was the best player on the 1980 team, though Magic as a rookie won the Finals with Kareem injured.  So that gives Kareem two titles as The Man.

By the 2nd title two years later, Kareem was 34 and still in fine form, but Magic nearly averaged a tripled double.  9.6 boards, 9.5 assist, 18.6 Pts.  And it was Magic's team.

After that, for the 3 remaining titles there is no doubt it was Magic's team.
And for the last 2 titles, Worthy was probably the #2 man ahead of a 39/40 year old Kareem.

Otherwise I usually have Kareem a bit higher than the consensus..
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 12, 2020, 11:12:45 AM
Speaking of the 1980 champion Lakers, I've long though that "Magic played center!!!!" in the clinching game (Kareem was down with an ankle injury) was one of the great NBA myths.  He might have taken the jump ball, but on offense, he continued to bring the ball up and he never played in the post, and on defense he certainly never covered Dawkins or otherwise played low-post defense.  How was that, in any way, "playing center."?

Too much home time makes for too many idle thoughts.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 12, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
After that, for the 3 remaining titles there is no doubt it was Magic's team.


There is no need to make this distinction
Title: Re: Trivia
Post by: Kam on June 12, 2020, 01:31:45 PM
Two franchises have never won their division.  One in the East, One in the West.  Name them.

Charlotte Hornets
Memphis Grizzlies
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 12, 2020, 02:14:02 PM
I should have known CHA
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 13, 2020, 12:00:04 AM
After that, for the 3 remaining titles there is no doubt it was Magic's team.

There is no need to make this distinction

Except that it was abundantly true.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 13, 2020, 12:13:25 AM
Geez, I didn't realize that Tyreke Evans was kicked out of the NBA for 2 years for drug policy violation (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/tyreke-evans-dismissed-and-disqualified-from-nba-for-violating-anti-drug-program/).  So missing his age 30 & 31 seasons.

Averaged 15 and nearly 5/5 for his career.  But never put it together and his teams didn't win much.  Lats two years before his dismissal signed for 1 year contracts with Memf and Indy.  Wonder if Reke will make it back ...


Trivia:
Prior to Reke, a dozen players have been suspended by the league for drugs.
Name the dirty dozen
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 13, 2020, 09:11:14 AM
After that, for the 3 remaining titles there is no doubt it was Magic's team.

There is no need to make this distinction

Except that it was abundantly true.

heh

Not worth my time

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 13, 2020, 03:02:28 PM

Trivia:
Prior to Reke, a dozen players have been suspended by the league for drugs.
Name the dirty dozen


I only remember a few;

Michael Ray Richardson
Chris "Birdman" Andersen
JR Smith
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 13, 2020, 03:45:19 PM
The first two, Yes.

JEarl just seems like the kind of guy who would get caught with chemically altered blood in his veins.  Actually JEarl got a 5 game suspension for drugs.

I should have phrased it better:
Name the 12 other players (besides Tyreke) who have been dismissed & disqualified from the league due to drug violations. That is, they got banned from the league due to drug violations and had to reapply for reinstatement.

Before, Reke the most recent was a similar player in 2016 got booted out for 2 years and hasn't returned.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 13, 2020, 04:22:52 PM
Hint: mid-80's Rockets had 3 guys kicked out for cocaine.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 13, 2020, 04:35:53 PM
Those 3 I think were Lewis Lloyd, Mitchell Wiggins and John Lucas.

Add Roy Tarpley and Chris Washburn to your list.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on June 13, 2020, 10:07:30 PM
Didn’t Kemp have a thing?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 13, 2020, 10:35:39 PM
Kyrie steering players away from Orlando re-start

Let's see how much pull he has.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 13, 2020, 11:00:52 PM
Vin Baker?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 14, 2020, 03:17:38 AM
TYREKE Evans

1. Michael Ray Richardson
2. Chris "Birdman" Andersen

Yankguy nails 5 of 'em:
3. Lewis Lloyd
4. Mitchell Wiggins
5. John Lucas
6. Roy Tarpley x 2
7. Chris Washburn
8.
9.
10.
11.

My mistake, only 11 players besides Reke Evans.  Tarpley counts twice, since he got banned from the NBA two separate times.  So 12 other disqualifications of 11 other players.

Tarpley the only player who got banned twice.  Was a pretty talented LMA type feller.  Washburn easy to forget about since his NBA career never got in gear.  Was a #3 pick.  I can't recall seeing him play.

Pretty sure Kemp and Vin had alcohol issues.  Why society acts as though minor usage of cocaine by wealthy folks who can afford is worse than alcoholism is hard to explain. 

This article talks about players whose careers were ruined or derailed by drugs or alcohol (https://www.thesportster.com/basketball/15-nba-players-who-were-completely-destroyed-by-drugs/), not the same as my question but an overlapping topic.  Keon Clark said he wasn't sober for one game.  He also became a big marijuana advocate.

Of the 4 remaining guys, three are not easy to guess.  I recall being intrigued by the one guy as his career started and then boom! next thing he was out of the league due to cocaine.  But the guy who was banned in 2016 had a reasonably solid 10 year career, though considered a disappointment since he came into the league with a whole lot of hype.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 14, 2020, 10:48:04 AM
Here's a hint.
One guy who was banned is Derek Fisher's older brother.
Was a 2nd round pick, waived then signed 10 day contracts with the Nets.  Played 15 NBA games, was suspended the next 2 years, 2 more years in the CBA, and then had a 4 game cup of coffee with the Clips to end his career.
I basically barely remember the name.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 14, 2020, 11:20:48 AM
Hint 2

Another guy was a large 7' C in the 90's mainly for the Clips.
Was a college teammate of Shaq's for one year.
Basically had two credible years to start his career.
Then had an achilles injury Y4, during which rehab he hung around with the Bloods and Crips.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 14, 2020, 12:02:22 PM
Stanley Roberts
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 14, 2020, 01:50:24 PM
8. Stanley Roberts.
Guy had some talent.  Larry Brown liked him. 
Roberts kind of marched to his own drummer.
Apparently was generous, giving away most of his NBA money.
Supposedly while playing for LAC wound up with 7 people living in his mansion.  So finally he just let them stay and he moved to an apartment for some quiet.
Banned for meta-amphetamines.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 14, 2020, 02:03:15 PM
Hint #3
2nd round pick by PHX.
Had a fine rook season (nearly 16 / 5 / 2 steals; 52% FG), including solid playoffs.
Then coked out of the league the next year.
Had two comeback years in which he played sparingly.
Done by age 26.
So either you caught his nice rook year or you missed his career.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 14, 2020, 05:42:37 PM
 Richard Dumas.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 14, 2020, 06:24:02 PM
As a rook, Dumas started in the Finals for the Barkley led Suns.
And played well.  G5 of the Finals he toed for the team lead with 25 points on 12-14 FG.  In the Finals he averaged nearly 15.8 PPG, just a little less than Majerle and Kevin Johnson (both 17.2 Pts).

Jordan retired after that Finals, and the Barkley Suns might have had those Rockets titles if Dumas stayed clean.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 14, 2020, 08:03:31 PM
heh

no
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 15, 2020, 02:59:27 AM
Suns v Rockettes in 94 was evenly matched in the West playoffs.
PHX won the first 2 games in HOU.
Vernon Maxwell saved HOU with a 34 pt G3, as HOU rallied from an 8 point halftime deficit in PHX.

There's an instance where Dumas, a rangy 6'7" guy, could have helped.

G4 HOU pummels PHX despite 38 from KJ.
So a 2-2 series with the Home team losing all 4.

G5  PHX can't score.  Majerle a goose egg.  Could have used Dumas' scoring and threat of scoring.  But maybe still get blown out.
G6 a PHX blowout, as AC Green starts and goes for 22/10.
(Ceballos just 3 mins)
So both team hold Home court with blowout W's.

G7 in HOU.  Rocks with a 4 point lead going into the 4Q.
Sam Cassell with 22 off the bench; Ainge 18 off the Suns bench.

Rockets had that kind of playoff run, where one game Max or Cassell or Mario Elie would have a big game to keep them chugging forward.  All 3 of them had one big game in this series.

Ceballos started the first 5 games with Dumas suspended for the season.
Start Dumas a good 16 Pt scorer and have Ceballos off the bench and PHX is a stronger team. Games 6 & 7 Ceballos plays 3 mins each.  AC Green starts for his defense and spark.

PHX didn't match up well with Olajuwon.  But between Oliver Miller, Joe Kleine, Marc West and AC Green's help, they managed all right.

Two very evenly matched teams.  Add a quality starter who had played well through the Finals the year before, an athletic 16 point 2 steal Dumas, and PHX could have won.

G3, PHX had a chance at Home to go up 3-0.
Series went to G7, where PHX was just down 4 entering the 4Q.
One more good player, one more starter for PHX and the scales might have tipped.
Btw, Majerle had a terrible series.  Averaging just 9 Pts in 40 mins on 30% shooting.  (32% on 3's and 42% FT).  Some of his minutes could have gone to Dumas.  Since Thunder Dan was struggling.

Put Richard Dumas on the Knix that year and NYK wins the title over HOU!
(especially if he took minutes form 2-18 Starks in G7 ...)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 15, 2020, 03:48:05 PM
I think kid might've been saying that had PHX advanced the KNICKS win the finals.  Just a guess.

EDIT: I think Patrick feared Hakeem a little but didn't lack for confidence vs Barkley.
Title: LeBron not play?
Post by: Kam on June 15, 2020, 08:26:21 PM
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/06/black-leader-from-portland-writes-lebron-james-asking-him-to-sit-out-season-until-nba-addresses-racial-disparities.html (https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/06/black-leader-from-portland-writes-lebron-james-asking-him-to-sit-out-season-until-nba-addresses-racial-disparities.html)

This would be the ultimate litmus test for LeBron.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 16, 2020, 11:12:24 AM
The most recent drug ban was in 2016.  A guy who came into the NBA with lots of hype, but managed just an okay career.  One of that missing crop of all-star level SG's (along with Brandon Roy and Eric Gordon, both of whom got injured).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 16, 2020, 03:40:37 PM
Ben Gordon
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 16, 2020, 04:33:11 PM
TYREKE Evans

1. Michael Ray Richardson
2. Chris "Birdman" Andersen'=

3. Lewis Lloyd
4. Mitchell Wiggins
5. John Lucas

6. Roy Tarpley x 2
7. Chris Washburn

8. Stanley Roberts
9. Richard Dumas

10. Duane Washington (Derek Harper's older brother) 19 game career
11. OJ Mayo (2016 received a 2 year ban, and hasn't returned)

Reke makes 13.


OJ Mayo was much hyped coming out of USC.  Was considered a can't miss prospect (https://fansided.com/2019/08/13/oj-mayo-nba-lebron-james-usc/).  #3 pick in 2008.  Taken one spot ahead of Westbrook (with Love going #5; Knix nabbing Gallo #6; Eric Gordon 7th).  Mayo was actually drafted by Minny and then flipped for #5 pick Kevin love in a multiplayer deal.

Mayo was pretty solid his first two seasons, and then things went downhill.
His last three years in MIL, he seemed apathetic and not in the best shape.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 16, 2020, 05:43:37 PM
Mayo was no Richard Dumas.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 19, 2020, 05:02:07 PM
The 1986 draft was the drug nadir for the NBA.

1   CLE   Brad Daugherty   
2   BOS   Len Bias                                                      
3   GSW   Chris Washburn   
4   IND   Chuck Person   
5   NYK   Kenny Walker
6   PHO   William Bedford   
7   DAL   Roy Tarpley

Bias had the worst possible outcome (and was set to join the championship Celts)

Washburn (72 game career), Bedford (later went to jail for 10 years for cocaine sales), Tarpley -- all were kicked out of the league for drug.  Tarpley twice.

So 4 of the Top 7 picks had drug shortened careers.

The 2nd round -- Marc Price, Rodman, Hornacek, Petrovic, Duckworth, Nate McMillan, Newman --  better than the 1st.

Knix would have been better off taking #8 pick Ron Harper.  Or #25 pick Marc Price.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 23, 2020, 01:30:45 PM
Sabonis.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 24, 2020, 11:28:02 AM
Sabonis was terrific, but there were concerns over the state of his knees and whether he would be allowed to come to the NBA.  Which is why he went at the tail end of Round 1 instead of much higher up. 

Also, I'm not sure how Patrick and Sabonis would fit together, and with a #5 pick you need to get a starter.

Ron Harper was dynamic before he blew out his knee and then found himself exiled to the Clippers.  Would have loved to have seen Harp with Ewing.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 24, 2020, 11:53:08 AM
A Very Bradley not going to the Bubble.
Lakes might waive him and pick up JEarl Smith who has been out of NBA for two years.  JEarl might need to just clear up his blood chemicals a bit.

That hurts the Lakes, as Bradley was a defensive demon and fit well for them (he was starting during their run, I believe).  Means LBJ has to play more D and LAL has to rely on Rondo more.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on June 24, 2020, 12:20:00 PM
The lakes should pick up Ever Jamal to shore up their backcourt. Crawford can spread the floor, set the table, and keep his head in the game. He’s probably in better game shape than either Rondo or JR.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 24, 2020, 12:23:12 PM
Or Nate.
He's probably somewhere.  And ready.

Why not just get Jimmer and call Championship.
Title: Malcolm Brogdon
Post by: Kam on June 24, 2020, 02:55:46 PM
Brogdon comes down with Covid-19
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on June 24, 2020, 03:46:20 PM
My cousin is getting ready to strike in Orlando because of how little Disney has their act together in their Florida facilities.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on June 24, 2020, 03:50:06 PM
Or Nate.
He's probably somewhere.  And ready.

Why not just get Jimmer and call Championship.

Maybe Rondo is more effective than Crawford was in Phoenix, but Crawford had a better run than JR last time both were on the court.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 24, 2020, 03:57:29 PM
My cousin is getting ready to strike in Orlando because of how little Disney has their act together in their Florida facilities.

Your cousin? What's his name, Agitatorn?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 24, 2020, 05:09:48 PM
Maybe Rondo is more effective than Crawford was in Phoenix, but Crawford had a better run than JR last time both were on the court.

1. JEarl plays better D than Craw.
Almost everyone does

2. LeBJ knows Jearl
Title: Re: Malcolm Brogdon
Post by: Kam on June 24, 2020, 11:31:37 PM
Brogdon comes down with Covid-19

+Buddy Heild
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on June 25, 2020, 02:19:13 AM
My cousin is getting ready to strike in Orlando because of how little Disney has their act together in their Florida facilities.

Your cousin? What's his name, Agitatorn?

Josh.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 25, 2020, 02:32:57 PM
My cousin is getting ready to strike in Orlando because of how little Disney has their act together in their Florida facilities.

Your cousin? What's his name, Agitatorn?

Josh.

Lol.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 28, 2020, 05:56:17 AM
Two articles on college sports

Why Draymond Green believes 'the entire system is broken' for college athletes (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29354941/why-draymond-green-believes-entire-system-broken-college-athletes)

&
Quote
Less than five years into its massive $280 million deal with UCLA, Under Armour is trying to get out.  Under Armour informed the school that it wants to terminate the 15-year, $280 million deal. (https://sports.yahoo.com/under-armour-wants-out-ucla-deal-sponsorship-rights-003218717.html)  Under Armour reportedly paid UCLA $15 million up front, and then agreed to about $11 million each year in rights and marketing fees. It also provides about $7.4 million in clothing, shoes and equipment each year, and about $2 million each year for facility upgrades.

Nearly $20M a year in sponsorship.  And free labor.  Not bad ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 29, 2020, 06:28:55 AM
Quote
Brooklyn Nets forward Wilson Chandler is opting out of playing in Orlando, Florida.  The Portland Trail Blazers' Trevor Ariza, the Washington Wizards' Davis Bertans, the Los Angeles Lakers' Avery Bradley and the Dallas Mavericks' Willie Cauley-Stein have also told their respective teams that they will not be playing when the season resumes.

I think these are all guys who will likely be free agents (Ariza with just $1.8 guaranteed next year).  Guys who don't want to hurt their value or get hurt.
And expecting to move on, they don't have much team loyalty. 

The only key one is A Very Bradley.  Since Lakes are a contender and he was starting.  The other opt-outs (so far) are on weak teams not expected to go far.
Though POR has some potential if Nurk & Zach are back.  Then losing Ariza could hurt.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 01, 2020, 08:44:24 PM
A Very Bradley not going to the Bubble.
Lakes might waive him and pick up JEarl Smith who has been out of NBA for two years.  JEarl might need to just clear up his blood chemicals a bit.

That hurts the Lakes, as Bradley was a defensive demon and fit well for them (he was starting during their run, I believe).  Means LBJ has to play more D and LAL has to rely on Rondo more.

JR Smith has signed with the Lakers per Woj.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 01, 2020, 08:52:52 PM
Houston's Thabo Sefolosha opts-out, Rockets to sign Luc Mbah a Moute
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 02, 2020, 04:29:37 AM
I don't like teams reconfiguring before the playoffs, but we've had this the last handful of seasons where players get bought out and catch on with a playoff team.  So it's become normalized.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 02, 2020, 11:48:22 AM
WNBA star Maya Moore helps free innocent man from prison (https://sports.yahoo.com/jonathan-irons-freed-from-prison-after-wnba-star-maya-moore-put-career-on-hold-to-help-overturn-conviction-014845294.html)

Guy spent 20 years in jail.   It was a home burglary where the homeowner got shot twice but survived.  Got a 50 year sentence, without killing anyone.  Kid was 16 when it happened but tried as an adult.  Kind of crazy all around.  But the evidence was flimsy and the jury all-white.

And of course he's not the only one railroaded suchly.
Hell, even if he were guilty, 20 years would likely be recompense, especially since he was so young at the time.

Hurray for Maya Moore!
Title: Trivia
Post by: Kam on July 23, 2020, 03:01:03 AM
Joe Johnson is 1 of 14 players in NBA history to have 20,000 career points, 5,000 career rebounds, and 5,000 career assists.

Name the rest
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 23, 2020, 03:28:39 AM

MJ
LeBJ
Larry Birdseed
The Big O
Kobe

Jerry West
Kareem
Wilt
Havlicek (took me a few minutes to think of him)
Wade

KG
Paul Pierce
Karl Malone
(3 guys with ultra-long high level careers)
Harden


That's my 14.

DR. J would be there if you count ABA feats.
Magic would've made it if he had fewer sexual partners.
I doubt Barkley or Shaq or Olajuwon passed enough -- though why should they when they'd get the ball inside and be able to score in close.
Has Westbrook reached 20K points yet?  He should easily have the boards and assists. 

Speaking of longevity ...
Vince  (if Pierce is wrong, swap in Vince)
Also Drexler could be there (if Wade is wrong, swap in Drexler)
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Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 23, 2020, 05:52:15 AM
You gave 14 names when 13 was needed.   
JJ is one of 14 i gave in the clue.

13 remain.
You got 10 right/4 incorrect:

Wilt No
Pierce No
Wade No (Yes to Drexler)
Harden No

Still need 2 names.

Hint: They played for the same franchise. One still active.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 23, 2020, 06:37:50 AM
Harden was a wildcard.
I thought he might have slipped in.

I figured Wade would have gotten there.  Solid boarder and passer. 
Wilt wasn't a big assist guy until later in his career.  But played a long time.
Must've been close to 5K assists.

That's impressive that KG did the 20/5/5 carer thang.
Pierce must have been close.
I figured one of them would have gotten there.

After the obvious half dozen, I tried to think of long career HoFers.  And all-around players.

I'll leave it to others to guess (which is why I went with white to start).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 23, 2020, 07:47:23 AM
Quote
Chemistry absolutely has been one of the Celtics' strong suits this season, though, and it's followed them into the bubble: The C's have had a grand old time on the golf course, swimming pool and volleyball court during their downtime away from practices.

Kanter and point guard Kemba Walker have played a key role in Boston's improved chemistry, as the team's two free-agent additions have meshed seamlessly with a young Celtics squad featuring budding stars in Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown.

The Celtics had plenty of mouths to feed last season with Kyrie Irving, Terry Rozier, Marcus Morris and Al Horford all vying for touches with Tatum, Brown and Gordon Hayward, but Brad Stevens' club has played largely selfless basketball this season en route to a 43-21 regular-season record.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2020, 10:55:33 AM
Chompin at the bit to see a Milwaukee-Brooklyn series

heh

Hearing Bucks have already told Giannis he can have that week off
Title: Re: Trivia
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2020, 11:05:48 AM
Joe Johnson is 1 of 14 players in NBA history to have 20,000 career points, 5,000 career rebounds, and 5,000 career assists.

Name the rest

I dont know but here is how he compares to another great:

JOHNSON
 
Points per 36 ----------16.6
Rebounds per 36-------4.1
Assists per 36----------4.1
Steals per 36-----------0.9
Blocks per 36-----------0.2

MYSTERY GUY

Points per 36---------15.5
Rebounds per 36-------8.1
Assists per 36 ---------3.1
Steals per 36 ---------1.3
Blocks per 36---------0.9
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 25, 2020, 08:28:35 PM
Player                    Points   Rebounds   Assists
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar   38387   17440   5660
Karl Malone                 36928   14968   5248
LeBron James              34087   9353   9298
Kobe Bryant                33643   7047   6306
Michael Jordan            32292   6672   5633
Oscar Robertson          26710   7804   9887
John Havlicek              26395   8007   6114
Kevin Garnett              26071   14662   5445
Jerry West                   25192   5366   6238
Clyde Drexler              22195   6677   6125
Gary Payton                21813   5269   8966
Larry Bird                   21791   8974   5695
Joe Johnson                20405   5059   5001
Russell Westbrook       20315   6186   7267
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 26, 2020, 04:14:56 AM
I thought others would toss out guesses.  And then I'd rejoin.

I wouldn't have come up with Payton.
Good size and was a tough boarder, but you don't think of PG's hitting 20 / 5 / 5.
So Oscar, Payton and Westbrook are the 3 PG's who hit those career metrics.

Just checked and:
Chris Paul 18,711  /  9,607  /  4,572 
-- he'd be there if he didn't miss 20 games a year
Stockton:  19,711  /  15806  /  4051
-- almost 20K scoring, but Utah always had rebounding Bigs (Mailman, Eaton)
Stock was tough at setting screens and blocking out. 

A few others who are close:
Pierce:    26,397  /  7527  /  4708 assists
Harden:  20,723  /  4388 /    5193 assists
I knew Harden had passed 20K recently.  But i\his boards are still two years away from 5K.  harden just 30.  So barring injury or 6 man defenses, he's gong to put up some impressive career stats.

Speaking of, LeBJ has a pretty good chance of topping Kareem.   
40K / 10K / 10K will be pretty insane.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 28, 2020, 10:40:41 AM
Over 24 years, Popovich has won at a 67.6% clip.
Good for 6th best winning % by a coach all time.

Which coaches have the Top 5 winning %?
(minimum 80 games coached).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on July 28, 2020, 11:10:31 AM
I'm guessing Kerr and Phil J are somewhere on the list.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 28, 2020, 11:28:11 AM
Kerr is 2nd with 70.9% W's.
Phil Jax 3rd  at  70.4%

The other 3 are harder ...


Otherwise, Doc Rivers has 938 Wins, and is tied with Red Auerbach for 11th all time.
6 more regular season W's and Doc becomes a Top 10 all time winningest coach.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on July 28, 2020, 11:44:00 AM
I went for low-hanging fruit.

I wondered about Rivers, and didn't consider Auerbach as he some eh years in DC and before snagging Russell in Boston.

how about Pat Riley
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 28, 2020, 01:12:16 PM
Pt Riley 63.6% has the 11th best winning %.
Auerbach is 9th best at 66.2%

#7 & #8 best winning %'s, the two coaches just after Popovich are also interesting and hard to guess. 

But we'll stick to Top 5.
1.
2. Kerr
3. Phil Jax
4.
5.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 29, 2020, 04:37:04 AM
A hint: #1 winning % is an active coach.

4 & 5 are both HoF players.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on July 29, 2020, 01:24:41 PM
I'd just be Wagging, so I googled.

I probably couldshould have gotten 1 with a little more thought, and maybe one of the other guys, no way I would have gotten all 5.

I leave it to others.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 29, 2020, 01:54:08 PM
4 & 5 both averaged 20 & 10 for their career and both played in the East for just one team (not the same one).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 29, 2020, 03:18:46 PM
Utah  -1.5 over New Orleans

Lakers  +1.5  over Clippers
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 29, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
A hint: #1 winning % is an active coach.

4 & 5 are both HoF players.

1 is Nick Nurse but he is kind of a cheat since he has less than 2 seasons under his belt and took over a ready-made team.

4 & 5 i'll guess KC Jones and Larry Bird
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on July 29, 2020, 04:33:01 PM
I don't think Kam ever saw KC Jones play ball.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 29, 2020, 10:24:30 PM
I don't think Kam ever saw KC Jones play ball.

Just going based off his coaching record.  He's gotta be up there.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 30, 2020, 03:28:03 AM
Quote
Quote from: Kam on July 29, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
1 is Nick Nurse but he is kind of a cheat since he has less than 2 seasons under his belt and took over a ready-made team.
4 & 5 i'll guess KC Jones and Larry Bird

Both your guesses are Top 8 and involve Larry Bird.
I wouldn't have thought of Bird as coach.

1. Nick Nurse    71.2%
2. Steve Kerr    70.9%
3. Phil Jackson  70.4%
4. _________   69.8%
5. Larry Bird     68.7%

Bird coached just 3 seasons.
More or less all of them took over a good situation and rode it (Phil 2x).
And Kerr oddly gets credit for the year Luke coached the team.

6. Popovich    67.6%
7. _______    67.5%
8. KC Jones    67.4%
9. Auerbach    66.2%

Hints:
#4 was a lifelong PHI guy.
#7 was affiliated with LeBJ.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 30, 2020, 10:36:02 PM
#7 Mike Brown
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2020, 10:39:47 PM
Heh

Ingram looks off Redick, misses winning 3

Ball 2-13
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2020, 12:49:51 AM
#7 Mike Brown

That woulda been my guess too.
But Brown a ways down at 61.6% W's.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 31, 2020, 04:01:15 AM
#7 Ty Lue
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2020, 04:12:20 AM
Wrong again.

Ty Lue 60.7%, a little below Mike Brown.
Which leaves .... ?

Besides Kerr and Jax, this was a tough question.

And who's the Philly player/coach at #4 best Winning %?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 31, 2020, 01:46:54 PM
#4 Billy Cunningham.
#7 David Blatt
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2020, 02:01:38 PM
Today's picks


Orlando +1.5 Brooklyn

Phoenix -3.5 Washington

Portland -1.5  Memphis

Boston +5.5 Milwaukee

San Antonio +2.5 Sacramento

Houston -1.5  Dallas

(winners listed first)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2020, 05:45:42 PM
There you go.
I thought it was a tough question, with an interesting Top 8/9.
Kerr & Jax ... and then a headscratcher.

1. Nick Nurse    71.2%
2. Steve Kerr    70.9%
3. Phil Jackson  70.4%
4. Cunningham  69.8%
5. Larry Bird     68.7%

6. Popovich      67.6%
7. David Blatt    67.5%
8. KC Jones       67.4%
9. Auerbach      66.2%

I also didn't realize Cunningham averaged a 20 & 10.  Guy was 6'6".
Kangaroo Kid indeed.  He was just a bit before my time.
Like most on this list, he had a transcendent star (Dr. J, and it didn't hurt adding Moses Malone after a finals loss).

Bird's Pacers somewhat the exception, a vet team led by HoFer Reg Miller
Title: Discussion
Post by: Kam on July 31, 2020, 06:10:02 PM
Who is the best player to never be the best player on their own team?

-Tempted to say Scottie but Pippen had those years without MJ so he doesn't count.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2020, 06:27:27 PM
Stockton?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2020, 06:30:43 PM
I’d have said Malone.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2020, 06:34:00 PM
Also, McHale.

Jerry West?
He was #2 behind Elgin most of his career, than when Elgin aged, Wilt came over.
Might have been one or two years West was the best Laker.  Before my time.

Elgin averaged 27.4 Pts - 13.5 Boards and 4.3 Assists for his career.
One year he was a hair under 35 / 20 / 5.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2020, 06:47:02 PM
Some others:

James Worthy
Tony Parker
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 31, 2020, 07:30:36 PM
It's a tough question to answer.  It can be discussed subjectively or attempted to answer statistically.  Someone used basketball-reference and broke it down by the VORP (value over replacement player) stat as the best all-in-one statistical measure.  However, this has the unfortunate side effect of cutting out players from before 1973 (that was the first season that VORP has calculations for). The following table excludes players who have played for less than 6 seasons, as they maybe haven't had the opportunity yet to lead a team (this took out players like Donovan Mitchell and Nikola Mirotic).

Here are the top 10 players in VORP per season who have never led a team in VORP.

Player               Seasons   Career VORP   VORP Per Season
Kevin McHale           13        34.3              2.63846154
Draymond Green      8          19.7             2.4625
James Worthy          12        29.1             2.425
Dan Majerle             14        29.7             2.12142857
Detlef Schrempf       16        33.2             2.075
Horace Grant           17        32.8             1.92941176
DeAndre Jordan       12        23                1.91666667
David West              15        27.6             1.84
Sam Perkins            17        31.1             1.82941176
Klay Thompson         8         14.1             1.7625


Some notes:

Stockton and Ginobili don't show up. Ginobili apparently led the Spurs in VORP in 2008 (All-NBA 3rd Team and 6 VORP to Duncan's All-NBA 2nd Team and 4.8 VORP) and 2011 (All-NBA 3rd Team and 4.5 VORP to Duncan's 3.5).

John Stockton had 4 years of being the team VORP leader.

1988: All-NBA 2nd-Team with Malone (7.6 to 2.9)

1989: All-NBA 2nd-Team, but Malone got 1st Team (8.3 to 5.9)

1995: All-NBA 1st-Team with Malone (7.9 to 6)

2002: Neither made All-NBA, but Malone was an All-Star (4.8 to 4.4)

In terms of active players, Dray and Klay have spent their entire careers with Steph, while DeAndre Jordan was always in the shadows of CP3 & Blake Griffin.

Kevin McHale spent his all but his rookie and final seasons flanking Larry Bird. The best case McHale has is the 1989 season when Bird only played six games.

McHale was All-Defense 2nd Team, averaged 22.5 points and 8.2 rebounds on 56.5% shooting, and accumulated 3 VORP

Robert Parish was All-NBA 3rd Team, averaged 18.6 points and 12.5 boards on 58% shooting, and accumulated 3.8 VORP

James Worthy's entire career (save one season) overlapped with Magic

both of Worthy's All-NBA 3rd team selections coincided with a 1st Team selection for Magic

the one season without Magic, he was the singular all-star for the Lakers but point guard Sedale Threatt (15 points and 7 assists) led the team in VORP

Detlef Schrempf didn't really get going until his fifth season in the league

Schrempf spent all four of his Indiana seasons beside Reggie Miller and all 6 of his Seattle seasons flanking Gary Payton

He was All-NBA once with the Sonics, but his 1995 3rd team was overshadowed by the fact that Kemp and Payton were both 2nd team

Horace Grant spent the majority of his prime with the Jordan Bulls and Shaq Magic

His only all-star appearance was in 1994 (the first year of the first Jordan retirement), but Scottie Pippen was still on the team and picked up a 1st team All-NBA selection

The next best chance for Grant is 1998. Shaq had left in the offseason and Penny Hardaway only played 19 games.

Grant averaged 12 points and 8 rebounds shooting 46% from the field

Nick Anderson led the team in scoring with 15.3 per game shooting 45% from the field

Bo Outlaw averaged 9.5 points, 7.8 rebounds, 1.3 steals and 2.2 blocks while also leading the team in VORP

Sam Perkins was never an All-Star

He spent his first 6 seasons with the Rolando Blackman & Mark Aguirre Mavs, 2 seasons with the Lakers (the first with Magic and Worthy, the second with just Worthy) and the rest of his prime with the GP & Kemp Sonics

Dan Majerle had 3 All-Star seasons, two of which overlapped with Charles Barkley

both Majerle (17/6/3 on 48% FG and 38% 3P) and Jeff Hornacek (20/5/5 on 51% FG and 44% 3P) made their first All-Star Game in 1992

David West spent all 8 of his seasons in New Orleans as a CP3 sidekick, the first season of his Indiana tenure as a Danny Granger running mate and his subsequent Indiana seasons in a supporting role to Paul George.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 01, 2020, 05:26:29 AM
They should look into Jerry West.
It can be done without VORP.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2020, 01:32:05 PM
Its an interesting and tough question, particularly with the ABA siphoning off and then adding back players.

A lot of very good players played in the shadow of Russell. Havlicek an all-timer escaped for a 1-2 years after Russell retired, Cowens came along. Sam Jones a HoF guard who played entirely in the Russell era should probably be on the list.

Some guys who played behind Wilt, like Greer and Chet Walker may be in the same situation.

Without doing a dive into stats, IMO West was the better player that Baylor mid-late 60s before Wilt showed up, and then eclipsed Wilt.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2020, 03:30:58 PM
Today's NBA picks

(missed Miami-Denver)

OKC  +1  Utah

LA Clippers -5  New Orleans

Indiana +3.5  Philadelphia

Toronto +3.5  LA Lakers
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 01, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
I figured that Hondo was much like Pippen.  Had one or two years as the main man.

West was likely the best player on his team a few years, but not too many considering the great career he had.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2020, 05:55:12 PM
They were somewhat similiar as "second-third banana" playing with all-time greats. IMO Havlicek was a better offensive player than Pippen, and Pippen probably a better defensive player, but IMO Havlicek had a modest edge as the better all-around player. He was the connecting link between the Russell years and the next mini-run with Cowens and Jo Jo from 72-76, when the Celts won 2 championships and arguably could have won a 3rd if Hondo didn't get hurt against the Knicks in '73.  He carried a far greater load, and different role, than he did in the Russell era, as it was needed as Cowens and Jo-Jo needed time to become stars
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2020, 12:02:39 AM
Loved all 3 but if pressed...

Pippen
Worthy
Havlicek
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 02, 2020, 02:06:53 AM
Havlicek
Pippen
Worthy

I saw Hondo live a few times in his last two seasons.
He was supposed to be the greybeard but was still active and all over the place.
Age 36, averaged nearly 18 / 5 / 5 in 37 mins.
At 37: 16 / 4 / 4 in 34 mins, without missing a game.
Averaged nearly 80 games a season.

Besides all he did on the offensive end, Havlicek was 1st team All Defense 5 straight years, and before that 3 years 2nd team All Defense.

Just seeing the Win Share similarity scores on basketballref.com:
first 3 years of their careers Pip and Hondo were pretty even, next 3 years Pip had an advantage, 7th & 8th years even; while the next 8 years Hondo bested Pip.
Just one measure but it was handily right there.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2020, 02:55:49 PM
NBA picks for Sunday August 2


(missed WASH-BKN)


Portland  +4.5  Boston

San Antonio  +2.5  Memphis

Orlando -3  Sacramento

Houston +4  Milwaukee

Dallas  -5.5  Phoenix
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 03, 2020, 03:18:25 AM
Maybe God wanted Jonathan Isaac to kneel after all.
He sure won't be standing any time soon.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on August 03, 2020, 03:24:52 AM
Lance Thomas got the start for the Netizens.
Didn't score in 10 minutes.
Tyler Johnson started too and also missed all his FG's and fouled x5, but got assists and boards.

I like leVert, guy plays hard, terrific in the open floor, puts pressure on the D.

I guess nets v. Wiz is as bad as it gets in the bubble.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 10:42:11 AM
JEROME ROBINSON has a nice opportunity for Wizards (12 yesterday)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 11:25:09 AM
Tough break for Orlando, who has been looking quite good

https://sports.yahoo.com/orlando-jonathan-isaac-suffers-torn-065015564.html
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 12:02:08 PM
NBA picks for August 3


Miami  +2.5  Toronto

Indiana  -7.5  Washington

OKC  -4.5  Denver

New Orleans  -3.5  Memphis

San Antonio  +7  Philadelphia

LA Lakers  -6  Utah





Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 03:23:49 PM
Not just teh Rockets

Late 3rd quarter, Miami is 9 of 36 from 3-pt land

Raptors are 13-27 - and still lead is just 7.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 03, 2020, 03:39:01 PM
18 Rap turnovers.  8 of 9 raps have a turnover.
FVV and Dragic putting on a show.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 03:48:42 PM
Kelly Olynyk continues to show he was a huge Celtics error

Markelle Fultz as well

heh
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 03:49:44 PM
Van Vleet at one point had 31 - on 14 shots
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 03:51:42 PM
Really like both these teams

Celtics hopeful Herro also showing well.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 03, 2020, 04:04:04 PM
Herro looks good.
Olynyk does a nice job of tipping out rebounds.  Really hustles to get a hand on O-boards.  A bit streaky on 3's.

Dragic looked good last game, without a lot of results.
This game doing a lot.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 04:56:40 PM
Heat definitely the White Boy Brigade

Fun game.

Either team gives Bucks fits in a series.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 04, 2020, 12:54:49 AM
Butler tried to take over the last few minutes and couldn't get going.
Missed a pair of jumpers, couldn't handle a pass while cutting to the basket, had his pass deflected and stolen by FVV to wrap things up.  (FVV apparently leads the league in deflections).  It's hard to put your team on your shoulders in a game where you don't really have it, and against a good defensive team.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2020, 12:45:46 PM
August 4  NBA


Milwaukee  -17.5  Brooklyn

Sacramento  +5.5  Dallas

Clippers  -9  Phoenix

Indiana  +2  Orlando

Miami  +3  Boston

Portland  +5  Houston



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2020, 11:58:25 AM
August 5 NBA picks


Memphis  +4.5  Utah

Philadelphia  -10.5  Washington

San Antonio  +5  Denver

OKC  +6  Lakers

Toronto  -5  Orlando

Boston  -9  Brooklyn
Title: Re: NBADall
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2020, 11:01:21 AM
NBA  August 6


New Orleans  -4  Sacramento

Indiana  -3  Phoenix

Miami  +8.5  Milwaukee

Dallas +4  Clippers

Portland  -3.5  Denver

Lakers  -1  Houston

Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on August 06, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
Bring it to Jerome looked okay in the half I saw.  Aggressive, but one sloppy turnover/bad pass.  Rushed a reverse layup that became an airball.  Canned a nice J.

But I quite liked Troy Brown Jr.  Mofo is fearless.  Just goes at guys.

Edit: just checked and Troy Boy has a pair of 8 assist games in the quartet of restart games.  Nearly a triple-double v. Nets 22 /10 & 8 Assists.
I'd like him as the NYK starting SG.

2nd Edit: The Philyl announcers apparently had never seen Thomas Bryant and came away impressed, saying he'll have a 10 year career, etc.  Seemed odd, since Bryant was the Wiz starting C last year.  A moose with good hands, scores well inside, has a decent J, just needs to improve on D.  Just turned 23 last week.
Title: Stashing My Rant Here for Reference
Post by: bodiddley on August 06, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
Has there ever been a budding young star, still on a rook contract, who forced his way out?

KZ left because of organizational dysfunction.
Phil thinking that he and his retrograde system was the star of the show.
The crappy way that Melo and Noah were treated.  The coaching carousel.
The antiquated system.  Never got KZ a PG partner.  Etc.

Most teams coddle their star, pay them more than other teams can, keep his trainers and end-of-the-bench friends with the team, etc.
Knix completely and thoroughly blew it.

And then to make matters worse, rushed a trade for useless parts.
Just embarrassing.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2020, 11:38:22 AM
NBA  August 7th


Spurs  +2.5  Jazz

OKC  -3  Memphis

Sacramento  -4  Brooklyn

Orlando  +4.5  Philly

Pelicans  -6  Wizards

Boston  +3  Toronto
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2020, 04:25:09 PM
Utah sat it's main starters.
So Mud got a start.
And Utah played 5 guys I never heard of.
 Seriously, look at the box:
https://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=401224749
And for those who don't know Georges Niang, a former #50 pick who has played sparingly the past three years, that'd be a half dozen.
For the most part they were scrappy and effortful, but turnover prone along with some miscommunication.   
It was like watching a Summer League game, or according to the announcers a Utah Starz G-League game.


Zach Lowe doesn't think Muddy fits with Utah:

Quote
Utah's ninth man problem
Another ripple effect of Bojan Bogdanovic's season-ending injury: The Jazz might not have any good options for their last rotation spot.

Emmanuel Mudiay got the first chance. Mudiay might grow into a solid scoring backup. He loves burrowing for floaters and long 2s, and has hit half his midrange shots this season, per Cleaning The Glass. He has the build to defend both guard positions.

But a dribble-happy type lacking a reliable 3-pointer is about the last thing Utah needs off its bench. Its top eight features four better ball handlers than Mudiay: Mike Conley, Donovan Mitchell, Joe Ingles, and Jordan Clarkson. At least two are usually on the floor. Mudiay provides zero spacing for them.

Quin Snyder pulled the plug in the second half Wednesday against Memphis and gave Rayjon Tucker a chance. I'd give Tucker a few games to earn that ninth spot. If he doesn't, the best and only option might be one Snyder appears not to like: an eight-man rotation. Utah should be able to craft one that doesn't stretch anyone's minutes too far.

Muddy's still only 24.
But if Bogey was there Mud would be 10th man and not in the main rotation.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 07, 2020, 04:37:41 PM
He's the backup at pg.  Has been all season

Just 30 starting gigs...and more guards entering every year

Veterans get screwed because teams want to play the young cats they draft
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 07, 2020, 04:41:31 PM
Spurs win puts me at 28-14.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2020, 12:56:30 PM
NBA picks  August 8th



Portland  +5.5  Clippers

Denver  +1  Utah

Indiana  +8  Lakers

Miami  -2.5  Phoenix

Milwaukee  -5.5  Dallas

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2020, 09:37:46 AM
8/9  NBA


(33-19, 63.5%)


OKC  -9.5  Washington

Memphis  +8  Toronto

San Antonio  +3.5  New Orleans

Boston  even   Orlando

Portland  -2  Philadelphia

Houston  -4.5  Sacramento

Clippers  - no line -    Brooklyn
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2020, 01:21:56 PM
8/10 NBA



OKC  +2  Phoenix

Dallas  +2  Utah

Toronto  +5.5  Milwaukee

Indiana  +2.5  Miami

Lakers  -1.5  Denver
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 10, 2020, 02:38:37 PM
Been meaning to mention how good the live streaming of NBA games is.
I canceled my Slingbox earlier this season and switched to free streaming
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 10, 2020, 04:02:21 PM
Cam Johnson looks nice.
Appears bigger than his listed 6'8" 210.

Was a pretty strong draft in '19.
Zion & Ja up top.
But Cam John @10.
Herro #13.
Thybulle 20
Brandon Clarke 21
Darius Bazley #24 putting together B2B strong games for OKC.

Jax Hayes, Hachimura, PJ Washington.
RJB, DeA Hunter, Culver.
Reddish, Coby White, Garland.

2nd rounders
Bol Bol, Paschall

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 10, 2020, 05:25:31 PM
Hardaway leads...

No Luka, no KP, no problem.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2020, 09:00:56 PM
Cam Johnson looks nice.
Appears bigger than his listed 6'8" 210.

Was a pretty strong draft in '19.
Zion & Ja up top.
But Cam John @10.
Herro #13.
Thybulle 20
Brandon Clarke 21
Darius Bazley #24 putting together B2B strong games for OKC.

Jax Hayes, Hachimura, PJ Washington.
RJB, DeA Hunter, Culver.
Reddish, Coby White, Garland.

2nd rounders
Bol Bol, Paschall


Don't forget Goga.

Stoned LBJ a couple of times at the rim the other night

Sabonis loss felt a little bit less
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 11, 2020, 12:55:17 AM
Yeah, I'm sure there are other players too in that draft..
But that's a lot of guys already showing some NBA chops in their rook years.
Take a guy like Thybulle who already looks like one of the better wing defenders in the League.  If he develops some offense ... look out.

(Speaking of a player like that, Roberson has returned after 2 years of injuries, and at least in the PHX game his offense looked pretty dang good, whereas before he had none)

I've been interested in Bitadze since I was out in Georgia last year.  Interesting country.  But haven't seen him yet except I think 2 mins of play.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 11, 2020, 05:16:09 AM
PHX 6-0 in the bubble bath.

OKC played CP3 and a mess of backups.
But the OKC nobodaddies hustle and scrap.
Rook Bazley went for 22 / 10 & 3 assists.  Looked good, made half his shots.
16-29 last two games, including 7-12 on 3's.
Another rook Lu Dort is built like a rock and has some Marcus Smart to him.  Needs to work on his offense, but he's aggressive on everything.

For PHX, Jevon is a smaller version, a 6'1" pitbull.  He was even picking up CP3 in the backcourt at times.  Tough defender, and shot well on 3's this year.
#32 pick in 2018 draft.  Looks like he'll be in the League for some years.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 11, 2020, 11:03:04 AM
High 2nd round of 2018 draft (https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2018.html) looking quite nice.

Devonte Graham #34
Mitch #36

Brunson #33
Jevon Carter #32
Gary Trent #37
Kurucs #40

 I don't really know Okobo or Mel Frazier.
 

Knix took Knox #9.
And so far 5 of the next 6 picks look better.
Shai is a real player.  Was moving up the draft board late.
Porter Jr. has started to show out, just needs to stay healthy.
The 2 Bridges are solid.  I've seen Mikal more and he's coming along nicely as a 3&D wing for PHX.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2020, 09:28:19 PM
add DiVincenzo
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2020, 01:53:21 PM
Took a day off yesterday, at 41-22


NBA   August 12


Rockets  -8.5  Pacers

Raptors  -5  Philly

Heat  +4  Thunder

Nuggets  +5.5  Clippers


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2020, 01:54:24 PM
8/13  NBA


Gonna take the after game start liberty with


Lakers  -4.5  Sactown


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2020, 01:59:55 PM
8/13 continued




Phoenix  -5.5  Dallas

Memphis  +3  Milwaukee

San Antonio  -7.5  Utah

Portland  -9  Brooklyn

Orlando  -3.5  New Orleans
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2020, 01:42:24 AM
4/14  NBA


Houston  -4.5  Philly

Toronto  -2  Denver

Indiana  -1  Miami


-    end    -


edit -     add   OKC  +6   Clippers
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 16, 2020, 01:50:36 PM
Since Vlade's first made was the cap clearing trade that gave away an unprotected 1st rounder, I drop him to a C-.  That deal cost Sacto cost them Jayson Tatum, but did get them the pick that was used on Fox, but also gave away their 2019 pick.
BOS used it on Langford  at #14.  But it also could have been Brandon Clarke, Thybulle, Goga.  Deep draft.

Best article I've seen on Vlade's hits and misses:
https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article244981735.html
just a lot of activity without much consistency or much of a plan or developing chemistry.  Current squad lacks defenders.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2020, 04:06:03 PM
Good start to playoffs - DEN/UTAH going to OT

May as well pick the series winners -


DENVER
TORONTO
BOSTON
CLIPPERS
MIULWAUKEE
HOUSTON
LAKERS
MIAMI

Not icking games - closed out at 47-30.   Profit $1400.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 21, 2020, 03:02:57 AM
Nice bounce back game for Shai.
I like when he popped a pair of 3's to tie the game up after OKC fell behind by 9.

Many saying it's just a bad matchup for OKC since they like to play small and HOU does as well and switches everything cancelling OKC's advantage.

I think OKC needs to use Adams to beast people more and tag fouls on HOU.  He started off scoring at will, but wound up with 4 FG's.  And let Nerlens dominate on the glass.  Gallo needs to be more assertive.  Took too many tough shots.
CP3 0 FT's.

Dort did a nice job hounding Harden.
Eric Gordon 0-10 on 3's and a team high +24.
House did a terrific job grabbing boards.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 22, 2020, 05:50:19 PM
IND with a 3Q comeback.
Down 4 entering the 4th.
Basically their season comes down to the next 12 mins.

MyTurn and The Frog really coming through for IND.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 23, 2020, 04:36:16 PM
Kleber & Tim Jr. awful so far ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 23, 2020, 09:25:40 PM
Kleber & Tim Jr. awful so far ...



heh
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 24, 2020, 12:58:08 AM
Tim was 1-7 with 3 fouls in the 1st half.
Looked lost and low energy.
Give him credit for bouncing back 2nd half (7-11 FG).

But with KZ out and Doncic minorly hobbled, they needed Tim needed and he was a 1st half no show.  Lucky Trey Burke was rock solid until Tim was ready.

Doncic continues to be a Bird/Magic hybrid.
Amazing stuff.
Bad ankle and he started the game with drives through and Euro-around defenders.
He also played pretty good D, staying in front of PG-13, and getting a couple of steals.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 24, 2020, 04:10:21 AM
Suns have drafted better at the back end of the lottery than the top:

Looking back at the Suns 10-14 picks in the last decade:

#11: Cameron Johnson (2019)
#10: Mikal Bridges (2018)
#13: Devin Booker (2015)
#14: TJ Warren (2014)
#13: Kendall Marshall (2012)
#13: Markieff Morris (2011)

Who the Suns drafted in the top 5:

#1 Deandre Ayton (2018)
#4 Josh Jackson (2017)
#4 Dragan Bender (2016)
#5 Alex Len (2013)

Bonus: #8: Marquiss Chriss (2016)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 24, 2020, 11:37:48 AM
Tim was 1-7 with 3 fouls in the 1st half.
Looked lost and low energy.
Give him credit for bouncing back 2nd half (7-11 FG).

But with KZ out and Doncic minorly hobbled, they needed Tim needed and he was a 1st half no show.  Lucky Trey Burke was rock solid until Tim was ready.

Doncic continues to be a Bird/Magic hybrid.
Amazing stuff.
Bad ankle and he started the game with drives through and Euro-around defenders.
He also played pretty good D, staying in front of PG-13, and getting a couple of steals.

Hardaway 18 in second half -

Doncic truly amazing - hope he lasts

Agreed on all counts
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 25, 2020, 04:41:16 AM
Brett Brown axed.
Some talk that he babied Simmons too much.  Simmons apparently a family friend, and a franchise player.  Brown wanted Simmons to take one or two 3's a game, and Simmons basically refused.

You have to wonder why they gave a max contract to Tobias but not Butler.
Butler older, but a more skilled competitive player.  Better all-around, a leader, a closer.  Harris just a nice 3rd option.

While bringing in Horford didn't work at all.  Al and Joel couldn't share the court together.  Expensive mistake.  Maybe they can flip him for value(?)
I really liked the Josh Rich pick up, but of course he's no Butler.
And his impact was less than I expected.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 25, 2020, 09:33:44 AM
You have to wonder why they gave a max contract to Tobias but not Butler.


Have to agree there

I have long championed Butler

PHI did get Richardson in that deal - though you could at this point (not when deal made) say SO WHAT.

There is still hope moving forward for Harris and their BIG THREE (plus Al), surely.

With Fultz, may have had something special.

Coach hire will be interesting.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 31, 2020, 12:51:12 AM
There is still hope moving forward for Harris and their BIG THREE (plus Al), surely.
With Fultz, may have had something special.

With Fultz, their Big 3 would all be without 3-ability.
Not viable in today's NBA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2020, 09:10:25 PM
Late post but taking Raptors and Bucks
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2020, 09:25:07 PM
Butler having himself a game and a half tonight.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2020, 09:26:13 PM
Love to see Heat-Bucks go 7 real hard games
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2020, 11:17:08 AM
2 game sevens upon us

Beautiful.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 01, 2020, 11:36:18 AM
I still can't avoid this nagging sense, and I've had it for years now, that if you stay close to Houston you beat Houston. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2020, 12:10:40 PM
Tough not having a Capela when protecting a lead.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 01, 2020, 12:22:15 PM
And Harden gets worn down by all the effort all game.
And it's not like Dantmanbee is a great playcaller.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 01, 2020, 12:42:14 PM
Tough not having a Capela when protecting a lead.
The same thing happened when Capela was there
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 01, 2020, 04:45:32 PM
And Harden gets worn down by all the effort all game.
And it's not like Dantmanbee is a great playcaller.

True

Best defense is a good offense.

Time for Russ (Luka 1) to step up tomorrow.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 01, 2020, 06:26:46 PM
Am I the only one who hates Doris Burke?
She over-emphasizes every point she makes a la Hubie Brown, as though it's super-important info.  Then she has an annoying habit of repeating herself and making the same point two or three times in a row. 

For example, in one playoff game, she talked about the coach going deep into his rotation bringing in his 9th player of the half.  Then repeating, that he already has played 8 players already, and Player X was the 9th of the half.

Incessant over-announcing makes it all about her and making her presence known, more than the game. 

If I knew these teams better, I would just turn off the sound and listen to the Charlie Parker Centennial birthday broadcast on WKCR.  Maybe I should anyway ...
One of the worst things about bubble play was that Doris Burke was able to announce two games in one day.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 01, 2020, 07:40:50 PM
10 Pt early 4Q lead.
Smart pops in a pair of 3's.
Next BOS possession, FVV cheats over far to deter a Tatum drive, leaving Smart wide open.  Tatum hits open Smart, who fakes vanFred to fly by and pops a 3rd triple.

FVV has played good D, but that was awful.  You don't leave the hot hand for no reason.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2020, 08:21:51 PM
Those 2 teams can D it up

TimeLord was ticking in the 1st qtr

Marcus went off in the 4th

in between Tatum carried them

and I think Doris is fine -she knows the game and does her homework and is better prepped than most game analysts
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 01, 2020, 08:22:51 PM
van Fred had a rough 4Q.
Raps offense was shaky 4Q in the face of heightened BOS D.
TOR missed a bunch of 6' paint shots early/mid 4Q.
I thought TOR got tight.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 01, 2020, 08:29:41 PM
Smart was a hero.

Besides the 3's, I loved that strip of a driving Siakim with 40 secs left, which Smart very nearly saved to a teammate.


Burke is informed, but it's the Hubie Brown school of repetitive overannouncing and over-emphasis.   Otoh, Malika Andrews has done a good job with her coach interviews, getting actually useful or interesting answers.  Usually from other reporters the questions are so lame and more like statements and the coaches basically just say Yeah.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2020, 08:49:30 PM
Excellent comeback, Celts

Looks like this goes seven.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2020, 09:39:22 PM
Smart is my favorite Celt, he's kind of an acquired taste, can make you a little nuts from time to time, as he throws up brick after brick, but then he gets hot. He makes so many smart plays, usually on D, and he always plays hard. I've likened him to a middle-linebacker calling out defensive signals. There's a lot of intangibles to his game, that doesn't show up on a stat sheet, but he's a winning player and he's a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 02, 2020, 04:10:13 AM
Excellent comeback, Celts

Looks like this goes seven.

Or not.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 02, 2020, 04:12:16 AM
Quote
Between the two of them, Mitchell and Murray scored 475 points in this series, which is the most combined points by opposing players in a single series in NBA history, per ESPN Stats and Info, topping the 463 Jerry West and John Havlicek scored in the 1969 Finals.

For the series, Mitchell posted 36.2 points per game on 53-percent shooting, including 51.5 percent from deep and 95 percent from the line. Per StatMuse, he is the first player in history to post at least 35-50-50-90 in those categories for an entire playoff run, albeit a short one for Utah.

Murray, meanwhile, averaged 31.5 points for the series on 55-percent shooting, including 55 percent from deep and 92 percent from the line. He posted two 50-point games with a 42-pointer sandwiched between. The 142 points Murray scored in Games 4-6 is the third-highest total in three consecutive playoff games in NBA history, trailing only Jerry West in 1965 and Michael Jordan in 1988.

Both Mitchell and Murray 30+ Points on over 50/50/90 splits

(and I like how Jerry West's name comes up form two different playoff seasons)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 02, 2020, 11:52:41 AM
Quote
Out of 53 NBA players who have tried at least 500 jumpers in the regular season and playoffs, Westbrook ranks last in efficiency, with an effective field goal percentage (eFG) of just 39.8%. How bad is that? Anthony Davis ranks 52nd at 44.7%.


Quote
in Game 6 on Monday ... With four minutes left, the Rockets led 98-92 and they seemed destined to advance to the next round. But  Paul hit a couple of huge 3s to tie the game

In those final four minutes on Monday, Harden touched the ball just four times and dribbled 11 times in Houston's final eight possessions.

Meanwhile, Russell Westbrook had 10 touches and 60 dribbles in that same span.

Both had a late turnover in a tied game, and missed a key shot.  Though Westbrook's straight-on airball was embarrassing, and his very late turnover sealed the L.  I'd much rather trust Harden late since his whole game/season is basically iso-hero-clutch time ball.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2020, 09:45:42 PM
Ref-ball in the bubble.

A lotta ugly calls down the strech in the Heat-Bucks game.

Heat deserved the W, but it seemed they were playing 5 on 8

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 02, 2020, 10:00:36 PM
Between the two of them, Mitchell and Murray scored 475 points in this series, which is the most combined points by opposing players in a single series in NBA history, per ESPN Stats and Info, topping the 463 Jerry West and John Havlicek scored in the 1969 Finals.



Would have been a great trivia Q

Hondo!!!!!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 02, 2020, 10:02:35 PM
Ref-ball in the bubble.

A lotta ugly calls down the strech in the Heat-Bucks game.

Heat deserved the W, but it seemed they were playing 5 on 8


I thought it to be exceedingly well-officiated

Would have loved for the no call at the end, but that's sports.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2020, 10:05:40 PM
Between the two of them, Mitchell and Murray scored 475 points in this series, which is the most combined points by opposing players in a single series in NBA history, per ESPN Stats and Info, topping the 463 Jerry West and John Havlicek scored in the 1969 Finals.



Would have been a great trivia Q

Hondo!!!!!

How many 3s were in the 475? I'm guessing more than 13.

Logo and Hondo!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2020, 10:10:17 PM
Ref-ball in the bubble.

A lotta ugly calls down the strech in the Heat-Bucks game.

Heat deserved the W, but it seemed they were playing 5 on 8


I thought it to be exceedingly well-officiated


the last few minutes of that game seemed a little funky,





Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 02, 2020, 10:28:36 PM
Cool to see them not bail out Butler, up 4 with less than ten seconds left.  He was trapped, aggressively hounded - many times officials almost automatically whistle the foul.  No call, he throws it away and Bropez in for the easy two.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 02, 2020, 11:40:45 PM
Russ cant make a fuckin layup.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 02, 2020, 11:44:37 PM
Blessed by the basketball gods these last few days.

NBA is FAN-tastic!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 03, 2020, 02:24:56 AM
Wow, Dort outscored Harden by 13 and HOU won by 2.  Crazy.
Looks like Gallo had an awful G7.

Awful Rivers had an austin series -- or the other way around.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2020, 09:59:28 AM
Yeah, AR didn't find his stride -

Cool how both coaches pretty much went seven deep.

Would love to see a league wide return to short rotations - makes for much better ball.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2020, 10:07:07 AM
Thought about DENVER but I'll go with the chalk - LA and LA in WC semis.

8-0 first round.

Trailing 0-2 in both EC semis - which will each go 7 (because this is the year basketball gods ROAR)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 03, 2020, 10:26:37 AM
DEN-UTA was about as evenly matched as it gets.
Would have liked to have seen both healthy -- with Bogdanovich and Gary Harris out there 100%.  Both teams have a tendency to play really well for stretches or even games and then look flat or disjointed at other times.  DEN had the deeper team.

I can't see NUGs beating CLIPs.
LAC has three stellar defenders they can sic on Murray, who still is young and has off games.  CLips probably the better team on both sides of the ball.  I'll go with a 5 game series.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 03, 2020, 10:28:35 AM
Wow, Nets just hired Steve Nash as Head Coach.
Pretty cool.  Somewhat like they did with Jason Kidd.
Though now Nash has to put up with Kyrie.
Very interesting.
Maybe Nash will just go ahead with a 3G lineup -- Kyrie-LaVert-Dinwiddie.  Durnat and somebody else rounding out the starters.
Interesting development.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2020, 10:37:00 AM
Though now Nash has to put up with Kyrie.

Working WITH todays pro stars is the key.  Name any currently succesful coach and you have your example. 

Great example of a team thinking outside the box.  Knicks had ample opportunity the last ten years to do so as well.

Will Nash do it well?  I hope so.  And I hope he isnt the scapegoat if Nets dont make a Finals.  Much o this lies in buying the rest of the groceries.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 03, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
Well, the key for next year is Durant's recovery.  The season starting 3 months or so later than regular will help KD.

And you can be sure that KI and KD approved the Nash hire.
I assume they'll push the pace which both of them will like (as soon as KD has recovered enough for a fast pace).

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 03, 2020, 11:00:04 AM
Cool how both coaches pretty much went seven deep.
Would love to see a league wide return to short rotations - makes for much better ball.

Playoff rotations are always shorter.

But I think it depends on your team composition.
Look at LAC:
Pa Bev - PG - Kawhy - MaMo - Zubac
RegJax - Shamet - Sweet Lou - Montrezl
(they also have JaMychal Green when they need an extra Big).

That's 9 (or 10).  Who ya gonna leave out and why?
Also, Pa Bev and Zubac are probably best under 30 mins.
Having a deep team can wear down the opposition.
And if your 2nd unit is tight, it's an advantage as then you can bring in a rested Kawhi for the last 6 or 7 minutes.

You play your roster.  Guys you trust.  Guys who play well together.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2020, 01:25:05 PM
Dallas went 7, backs to the wall - just 6 minutes for 8th man.

Clips 9.

Each missing a key guy, true
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2020, 09:18:38 PM
nut punch loss

great game though
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2020, 09:56:39 PM
Who checkin OG?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2020, 10:56:04 PM
I've now watched that play about a 10-15 times and I don't see who to blame on D.

Brown had to stay with Siakim and then Gasol after the switch or Gasol walks in alone and 2 points ties it.

Tatum could not chase OG as that would have opened the near corner for an open 3 for FVV

They lost on a cross court rainbow pass to the corner and the guy hit with no time on the clock.

Can't be too pissed the Celts got beat on a miracle 1 out of 20 type play.

shit happens.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 04, 2020, 12:58:38 AM
That inbounds play/shot saved TOR's season.

A cross court pass like that has to be right on target for OG to be able to rise up and get a good shot off with just 0.5 secs left.  Credit a beautiful pass by Lowry (along with of course OG for nailing the game winning).

Speaking of passes, that Kemba to Theis feed to break the tie just before the buzzer was terrific.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 04, 2020, 09:22:39 AM
I think the NBA time keeper saved their season

heh

Always someone to blame.

Did they have Tacko Fall guarding Lowry?

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2020, 09:29:55 AM
Yup. Tacko was on the inbounder.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 05, 2020, 12:01:36 AM
Well, all the teams I'm rooting for have been winning.

Only saw 2nd half of Rocks-Paper-Lakers.
the LeBrons were pretty meek in that 4Q.
Also when they were down double digits mid 4Q, almost every possession went deep into the shot clock.  Which helped HOU burn clock and limit possessions.  But also meant Lakes didn't get good looks.  Little movement, both player and ball.

PJ Tuck was a Man.
Westbrook and Commissioner Gordon extended the lead while Harden rested 4Q.
AuRevoir had a good game.
And my Jeff Green Theory is suffering -- I usually say whoever plays Jeff Green in the playoffs loses, as he has Tim Thomas Syndrome.  But he's mostly played well (with a no show or two, which is acceptable when you're a bench guy).

Rockettes kept leaving Rondo open.  He hit 2-5 triples, but a couple times he got it wide open and passed up the shot, wasting more clock time.  Havign Rondo out there allows HOU to clog the paint and prevent driving lanes for LeBJ and AD.

Very late and needing scoring, Vogel went with Waiters over JEarl, likely because Waiters can create his own shot. 


Love MIA going up 3-0 -- need to read up how that happened.
Right now, I can stream games live, but don't have any reliable way of watching replays.  All the sites want me to download some Google Chrome extension, which I can't get to Google.  Maybe if I use a different browser...

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2020, 05:10:04 PM
Watching rerun  of Celts-Raps .

Did not realize how poorly Tatum played

Hopefully for Boston - better today
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2020, 09:27:27 PM
That was without question the worst game the Celts have played in 6 months.

F-ugly game

best 2 of 3
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 06, 2020, 04:26:40 AM
Not really a fan of seeing which team can make the better % of long-range jumpers.
More than half of DEN's FG's were 3's.
BOS clanked theirs.  Game.

Ugly game for Jaylen.  11 3-pt FGA's and zero assists.
And when I watched, Siakim was scoring on him this game.


Interesting how young and inexperienced BOS is.
Kemba a genuine vet at 30; Theis a Euro-vet at 28 but just 2nd NBA season.
Bench: Wanamaker 31 but also 2nd season; Kanter 28 but doesn't playoff much.
Next up is Smart 26.  Ojeleye 3rd year 25.
Brown 23; Tatum 22.  Robt Williams 22; Grant Will 21.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 07, 2020, 11:03:03 AM
NBA Rookie Trivia:

Name the only rookie who scored more points in the playoffs than Jayson Tatum did in his first season.

Tatum scored 351 points in 19 playoff games.
The rookie leader scored 352 playoff points in just 10 games.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2020, 11:29:55 AM
NBA Rookie Trivia:

Name the only rookie who scored more points in the playoffs than Jayson Tatum did in his first season.

Tatum scored 351 points in 19 playoff games.
The rookie leader scored 352 playoff points in just 10 games.

10 games is a deep run for a high scoring rookie

I'd go with KA Jabbar
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 07, 2020, 01:14:00 PM
Sorry, it was Lew Alcindor.
But you were awfully close ...
(he changed his name to start his 3rd year)

Kareem was remarkably consistent in his rook playoff run.
Scoring between 33-38 pts 8 of 10 games -- and 33 points 4x.
He closed out his first series with a 46 Pt & 25 rebound game
But had just 27 when the Knix knocked his team out.
Kareem had a 38 / 25 / 11 triple double in G2 v. NYK that year
Followed that up with an insane 33 & 31 in G3, MIL's only win in that series.


Getting back to the question, the rookie playoff scoring list is interesting (https://stathead.com/tiny/tpGrC?&utm_medium=bbr&utm_source=bbr_player&utm_campaign=basketball&utm_content=bait&utm_term=tatumja01).
#3?  Alvin Adams (341 in 19 games)
4 Elgin Baylor (331 in 13 games)
5. Mikan 303 in 10 games
10. Donovan Mitchell 268 in 11 games


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2020, 01:24:57 PM
Sorry, it was Lew Alcindor.
But you were awfully close ...
(he changed his name to start his 3rd year)

Kareem was remarkably consistent in his rook playoff run.
Scoring between 33-38 pts 8 of 10 games -- and 33 points 4x.
He closed out his first series with a 46 Pt & 25 rebound game
But had just 27 when the Knix knocked his team out.
Kareem had a 38 / 25 / 11 triple double in G2 v. NYK that year


Getting back to the question, the rookie playoff scoring list is interesting (https://stathead.com/tiny/tpGrC?&utm_medium=bbr&utm_source=bbr_player&utm_campaign=basketball&utm_content=bait&utm_term=tatumja01).
#3?  Alvin Adams (341 in 19 games)
4 Elgin Baylor (331 in 13 games)
5. Mikan 303 in 10 games
10. Donovan Mitchell 268 in 11 games

Bo corrects for spelling.

As i was eating lunch, I gave the question some thought, and then just took a quick look to confirm my suspicions.

There are at least a couple of rookies who scored more than Alcindor or Jabbar in the post-season.

One was a strong suspect, and one I was surprised but not shocked by.

any guesses






Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on September 07, 2020, 01:59:56 PM
Didn’t Duncan win a chip his first year? Gives him a lot of games w a pretty prominent role.

Edit: nope and nope.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 07, 2020, 02:18:53 PM
There are at least a couple of rookies who scored more than Alcindor or Jabbar in the post-season.

One was a strong suspect, and one I was surprised but not shocked by.
any guesses

You mean per game scoring average?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2020, 02:25:14 PM
There are at least a couple of rookies who scored more than Alcindor or Jabbar in the post-season.

One was a strong suspect, and one I was surprised but not shocked by.
any guesses

You mean per game scoring average?

Nope.
Points

It answers your question as asked

Name the only rookie who scored more points in the playoffs than Jayson Tatum did in his first season.



Alcindor had 352
Tatum had 351

the guys I'm thinking about had more
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 07, 2020, 03:33:38 PM
According to basketball reference the answer is no one.

I posted the link earlier to the answer.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2020, 03:50:15 PM
According to basketball reference the answer is no one.

I posted the link earlier to the answer.

Name the only rookie who scored more points in the playoffs than Jayson Tatum did in his first season.

while this is your question verbatim, I thought about it and presented it in a slightly different manner.

There are at least three rookies (one being KAJ) who scored more points than Tatum's 351.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2020, 10:28:15 AM
no nibbles

may have to drop another hint
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2020, 09:48:41 PM
Marcus Smart is a punk.

Good game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2020, 09:55:37 PM
Marcus Smart is a punk.

Good game.

Great game.

Marcus Smart plays his ass off every night.

And is a winner.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 09:44:26 AM
JD Shaw: Free agent center Dakari Johnson has re-signed with the Qingdao Eagles in China, he tells @HoopsRumors . Johnson averaged 23.7 points, 14.5 rebounds and 1.6 blocks per game this past season. – via Twitter JShawNBA


Was a fan of Johnson in his draft year

Bears watching - as I think the NBA gets back to using bigs in time.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 09:45:36 AM
Marcus Smart is a punk.

Good game.


https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1303873898182774786

heh
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 09:48:05 AM
Michael Porter Jr on HEROBALL:

Harrison Wind: A frustrated MPJ on what he can do to get more touches: “It’s up to the play calls, it’s up to the coaches. We kept going to Jok and Mal. They’re two amazing players. You can’t be made at that,” he said. MPJ went on to say that they need to get others involved to beat LA. – via Twitter HarrisonWind


yep

Justin Kubatko: In his five games since recording three straight 40-point games, Jamal Murray has shot just 37.1% from the field (31.3% from 3-point range) and has failed to reach 20 points four times. – via Twitter jkubatko
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 10, 2020, 10:28:12 AM
Porter's defense is flat out terrible.  Knox-like.
Lakes hunt him out.
And he offers so little resistance as a rotating help defender underneath.
Lot to learn, but he does have a nice offensive game.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on September 10, 2020, 10:30:05 AM
Marcus Smart is a punk.

Good game.


https://twitter.com/JordanDajani/status/1303873898182774786

heh

Post what they say or don't post them.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 11:22:23 AM
Porter's defense is flat out terrible.  Knox-like.
Lakes hunt him out.
And he offers so little resistance as a rotating help defender underneath.
Lot to learn, but he does have a nice offensive game.

Right

And they scored just 85 points avoiding him.

Porter was one of the x-factors that almost had me pick Denver this series

Hope he gets to show his skillset a bit more in Game 5
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 10, 2020, 09:54:47 PM
Happy to see the switch for tomorrow, with BOS-TOR at 9 PM
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 12:22:57 PM
Nice preview

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/09/10/0910-bh-s-celticsnotes/
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2020, 08:14:09 PM
Nuggets starters 13-38

Murray the hero 5-16

Porter ONE shot
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 11, 2020, 11:18:44 PM
AuRevoir had a good game last one for HOU.  Energy on both ends.
Need to give him a shout out, since I've been ragging him all playoffs
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 11, 2020, 11:41:33 PM
TOR really hunted out Grant Williams to get back in it down the stretch.
Finally went back to Theis and he fouls out immediately.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on September 11, 2020, 11:52:29 PM
TOR really hunted out Grant Williams to get back in it down the stretch.
Finally went back to Theis and he fouls out immediately.

But the Celtics hung on to win.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 11, 2020, 11:55:22 PM
Grant Will misses both FT.
Would be a 3 Pt game with 30 ticks left, TOR ball.
But Tatum flies in, grabs the rebound and gets fouled. 
Makes 2 FT's.  Thats the game.
O-board from Tatum on a FT won that.  Nice play.

Late, Jaylen blankets FVV, Grant Williams gets switched on vanFred late and gets a block on FVV's 3.   So Grant redeemed himself some.  Had some good O-boards as well in 4Q.  But his D was iffy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2020, 12:05:22 AM
That was a 7-game war. With an intensity level that was off the charts.

Tatum is a super-star but Smart is the soul of the Celts

what a stupendous player

A winner
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 12, 2020, 12:07:59 AM
Smart just locked down whoever he was on.
And had a pretty key block when Normative Powell tried to force a fast break against a few Celts.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on September 12, 2020, 08:49:13 PM
Powell also let Tatum grab the rebound
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 13, 2020, 03:33:53 PM
so far a 54 -28 2nd half for DEN

64 -32

See ya in G7 ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2020, 07:27:20 PM
Miami

LAKERS

for

Finals
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2020, 10:37:39 PM
NOW, Paul George!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 16, 2020, 12:00:08 PM
Just caught a replay of the last 5 minutes of the 4Q and OT.

Butler struggled and couldn't make a thing in OT after his big 3 to end the 4Q.
But then muscled in a tough drive over Tatum with the and 1.
Butler came through twice in the dead clutch (last 30 secs of reg and OT).

That Adebayo block was ridiculous to end an OT playoff game.  Great play.

OT was pretty ragged with a bunch of fouls, turnovers, missed shots.  I imagine some players were tired.


I saw MIA 3x in bubble play and what stood out: Dragic was spry zooming all over the place, Herro was very poised, Crowder was solid.  And you figure with Bam and Butler, plus Duncan Rob's wildcard shooting, Heat were gonna be a tough out.
I think Dragic's renaissance was the key to unlocking their potential.  With Bam and Bulter's playmaking allowing Dragic to be more of a free agent out there, without having to be the playmaker.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2020, 01:51:38 PM
NOW, Paul George!!!!!!!

Guess I wasnt loud enough

-----

How much of Clips loss falls on Rivers?

PG ineffective - Lou 4-27 for series from 3, Zubac low minutes - lack of effective sets - seemingly a playground ball O mentality and no defensive scheme answer to Nuggets effective play.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
DWIGHT is RIGHT


Howard essentially was a star in his role, playing at a high level, seemingly driven by just being able to provide the Lakers a lift in the Western Conference finals against a Nuggets team playing with big centers.

He played 16 impactful minutes during the Lakers’ 126-114 victory over Denver on Friday night, more than he did in the entire second-round series against the Houston Rockets



https://sports.yahoo.com/dwight-howard-javale-mcgee-back-050538394.html

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 20, 2020, 01:45:31 PM
Game 2 Celts-Heat was really enjoyable.
Nice chess match.

A bit odd how BOS was relying on its PG's -- Kemba and Wanamaker -- for so much scoring.  Butler made a number of terrific plays, especially on D. 

Jaylen made two late key 3's but then missed a wide open corner 3 at the end.
They got it to the hot hand and open, just didn't go down.
Fine game.

G3 I just caught a replay of 2Q & 4Q.
MIA upped their intensity too late.
Missed 15 straight 3's ... yikes.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 25, 2020, 09:38:02 AM
Consensus is Lakers got a good whistle yesterday after flooding the league with emails

In particular the Milsapp foul on the AD jumper and the no call with about 2 minutes left as Murray drove on Bron.

2 do or die Game 5s hopefully leading to Game Sixes
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2020, 11:39:13 PM
Non-deferring LeBron is beautiful
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 26, 2020, 11:49:02 PM
True. And they also won the game where you say he "deferred."
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 28, 2020, 08:34:52 AM
11-3 in NBA series picks (8-0, 1-3 -oy, 2-0)

Leanng MIAMI over LAL.  Just something about this team.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 28, 2020, 09:07:44 AM
I thought Bam would bounce back.  Was that a career high?

I said that MIA would need contributions form Duncam Roba nd Tyler hero to go deep int he playoffs.  And despite Duncan's accuracy and Herro's poise, I wasn't sure they could perform at a high level in the playoffs.  They certainly came through, and when they do, MIA is much more dangerous.  Makes them a complete team.

BOS could have used a little more vet presence.  Kemba hasn't gone far in the playoffs before.  Haywire still isn't up to full throttle.    Good deep run for a young team.  Smart - Brown - Tatum are as good a young core as any in the League.    A good learning experience.  They really keep the ball moving and play hard on D.  Just couldn't get 3's to drop 4Q of G6.

Speaking of vet presence -- 3 cheers for Iggy.  Great move ditching oft-injured offensively challenged Justise Winslow for Iggy and Crowder.  Sometimes you just need some MEN out there.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 28, 2020, 09:25:13 AM
So for his 2nd full season as top exec, Ainge drafted Tony Allen.
After 6 years of service and often missing games, Ainge let Allen leave as a FA.  Same Summer,  Ainge drafted A Very Bradley (#19 pick) as his replacement. 
After 7 years, Ainge traded A Very for Marcus Morris, since he drafted Marcus Smart 3 years before, and Smart was stronger, younger and cheaper.

You think Ainge might have an SG type he favors?


Knix tried for some late round defensive PG's in Toney Douglas and Mardy Collins.
And now there's Franc.
When was the last time the Knix had a defensive SG? 
i guess Shump is the answer.

When was the last time the Knix had a 2-way Guard?
Clyde?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on September 28, 2020, 10:15:55 AM
11-3 in NBA series picks (8-0, 1-3 -oy, 2-0)

Leanng MIAMI over LAL.  Just something about this team.

I hate saying this, but LAL wins this.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 28, 2020, 10:39:32 AM
Just checking on NYK SG's and notice that Landry Field Goal was named Assistant General Manager of the Atlanta Hawks, just a few days ago on September 24, 2020. Previously worked as the General Manager of the Austin Spurs of the NBA G League.

LFG really had a strong rook season, shooting 50% and 39% on 3's and boarding quite well.  Was a good cutter too.  His sophomore year was a bit less of everything (with his FT% weirdly dropping from 77% to 56%).  Redeeming himself some with a solid playoff run.  And that was his last hurrah.  TOR nabbed him as FA and he fell apart there, mostly elbow injuries and then a hip thing that ended his NBA time.  Weird career, as a solid rook year turned out to be the high point.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 28, 2020, 12:01:30 PM
11-3 in NBA series picks (8-0, 1-3 -oy, 2-0)

Leanng MIAMI over LAL.  Just something about this team.

I hate saying this, but LAL wins this.

Fuck the Orlando Lakers!

I only hope the Lakers tradition of stealing the NBA's biggest stars and failing to win a title in the first year of that theft continues.

GO HEAT
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 28, 2020, 11:53:34 PM
Quote
Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban picked up Delonte West at a Dallas gas station on Monday and is attempting to help the homeless former NBA player get his life back on track, Cuban confirmed to ESPN.

Sources close to West told TMZ that his family and friends have been trying to get West to go to a drug rehabilitation facility and that Cuban has offered to pay for his treatment.

Cuban is among several people involved in the NBA who have been attempting to help West, who publicly discussed his diagnosis of bipolar disorder during his NBA career, in recent years. Cuban renewed those efforts after pictures circulated last week of West panhandling at an intersection in Dallas.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2020, 07:36:24 PM
Gonna be a hell of a series

Staying with MIAMI.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 30, 2020, 08:11:39 PM
Might come down to who can pop their 3's.
If Duncan Donuts and Ty Hero and others can their 3's or go cold, get defended.
Lakes will try to bottle those guys up and let Crowder and Dragic make 3's instead.
While MIA is going to pack the paint against LeBJ and AD and we'll see if Rondo, Pope, Caruso, Morris, Kuz can make 3's.

LBJ and AD are a stronger tandem than Bam-Butler, so you need Dragic to outplay Rondo.  And Dragic is really key to MIA flowing on O.
So we'll likely see some LBJ on him at times.  Likely just late in games.

Hopefully we'll see some Meyers Leonard to bang with Dwight and secure some boards.
He's also a capable 3-point shooter.  I think i'm higher on My Leonard than most ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 30, 2020, 08:16:08 PM
The Sixers were ready to decide between Mike D'Antoni and Ty Lue until Rivers became available.

A lot of good coaches were/are available this offseason.
CHI already snatched up Donovan.  Knix nabbed Thibs.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 30, 2020, 09:27:35 PM
Gonna be a hell of a series


Straying with MIAMI.

I think if the play with the same discipline and defensive intensity they played against the Celts they can win.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on September 30, 2020, 10:23:33 PM
Heat must have used all their D in the ECF, because so far they've not shown any.

If Butler's hurt they're kind of screwed.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 01, 2020, 11:24:26 AM
If Heat all dinged up, they have no chance.  Dragic might be out, Bam has a bad shoulder,
Butler an ankle.

I'd just guard AD 1-on-1.  Crowder is stout.  Bam tough and mobile.  Butler feisty.  Iggy too.
Mostly AD just wants to shoot a J from 18 feet.  Keep him outside and try not to foul him. 
Can live with him shooting midrangers over guys. 
Just don't leave all their 3-point shooters open. 

Hope this isn't one of those years where the Finals are just a dud.
Playoffs were pretty stellar ... so far.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 01, 2020, 01:42:59 PM
Full Heat team came out flying vs Lakers  (23-10)

Credit Vogel
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 01, 2020, 03:21:45 PM
Instant grades for every 2019 NBA Draft first round pick
Now that the first round is over, here are our immediate reactions for the first 30 picks.
By Ricky O'Donnell  Jun 20, 2019, 7:41pm EDT  (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/6/20/18693450/nba-draft-grades-2019-first-round-zion-williamson-trades-pelicans-ja-morant)

Ran across this link and thought it interesting to look back on now that rooks have completed a year.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 02, 2020, 05:43:09 AM
Kyrie is a headache:

Quote
The Brooklyn Nets named Steve Nash their head coach in early September, but stars Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant see Nash in more of a collaborative role and not as the head of top-down leadership.

"I don't really see us having a head coach," Irving said on Durant's new podcast, "The Etcs." "KD could be a head coach, I could be a head coach [some days]."

Durant followed up by agreeing with Irving, calling it a "collaborative effort" and naming assistant and former interim head coach Jacque Vaughn as someone who could fill the role any given day.

&

Quote
"One thing I've always been comfortable with, I felt like I was the best option on every team I played for down the stretch," Irving said. "This is the first time in my career I've looked down and be like, 'That motherf---er can make that shot too.' And he'll probably do it a lot easier.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on October 02, 2020, 11:27:50 AM
Doc Rivers was not idle for very long!

Best of luck to him and the 76ers.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2020, 12:39:26 PM
Time for a Herro

No deferring.  Rook - lead us.

Taking Heat +10

(Lakers up to -1250 for series, Heat +800 - wow)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 02, 2020, 08:07:43 PM
Doc Rivers was not idle for very long!

Best of luck to him and the 76ers.

Drivers in philly should watch out for constant traffic and lane closures.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2020, 09:49:27 PM
Mr Nunn is

-  very rusty

-  intimidated

-  both
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 03, 2020, 06:13:51 AM
Sen Nunn looked fine to me.
Knows how to use his body on drives.
Blocked AD near the rim.
Had a good game.
Got called for two fouls boxing out fouls, when both plays looked fine. First there was minimal contact on Caruso, 2nd he had a textbook block out of a guy trying to crash the boards.


Duncan Rob and Herro played some soft D.
And Olynyk had trouble boxing out properly.
Lakes got too many easy ops.
I probably would have gone with more My Leonard, but Olynyk was scoring well.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2020, 11:41:28 AM
Time for a Herro

No deferring.  Rook - lead us



HISTORIC game for Butler.

But let's not overlook Herro (17-3-2) and  - as was mentioned by someone already - Bank's other missing white guy Olynyk (17-7-1 after 24-9-2 in Game 2).

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2020, 12:06:56 PM
kid you're mistaken, and once again you seem to have a problem with accurately reporting #s.

I just checked, I'm not missing any white guys.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2020, 05:09:15 PM
Bam active

Game on.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 07, 2020, 12:05:10 PM
Maybe the best comparison to Jimmy Butler is  ... Iguodala in his Philly days, when he was in his 20's.  As with Butler, Iggy was an elite defender with an all-around game, not a natural scorer, but crafty enough to get points and develop his offensive game.
Neither wanted to shoot 3's, both got lots of steals and deflections.

In 8 seasons in Philly, Iggy: 15.3 Pts / 5.8 boards / 4.9 assists.
That's 15 / 6 / 5 while playing elite defense
Had 3 seasons of 18+ points.

My other comparison would be Paul Pierce.  Another guy who took his time on offense, played at his own pace and was tough to stop.  Also clutch.
Now Butler and Iggy are teammates.


Question: Should Iggy make the HoF?
Only 1 all-star appearance (where he went 6-7 FG).
But LeBJ was a guaranteed East SF starter, and mostly the other SF slot went to Pierce (10 AS games), with Deng and Granger, like Iggy, getting one apiece.

But Iguodala was the 2015 Finals MVP.
Made all-defense 1st team.  Another 2nd team.
Was the best player on his team a number of years.
Will finish with roughly 6K boards and 5K assists, but under 15K points.

Much of his candidacy will depend on those 3 titles with GS, where he was a key member of the GSW dynasty, and usually finished games there as part of their death lineup, which switched a ton.
Iggy has now been in 6 straight Finals, frequently charged with guarding LBJ in those.  (and KD, Kawhi, Harden in the playoffs).

I'm inclined to call it an HoF career.
So LeBronco and Pierce -- two clear HoFers were better?
Iggy made his mark.

Edit: here's an article on that very topic:
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/andre-iguodala-no-stats-hall-famer
They point out Iggy's +/- in the 5 Finals.  And his career Win Shares.

When Iggy was on GSW I use to enjoy checking out the box score and seeing Iggy with maybe 0 points, but other stats and high + for the game. 

In the 5 GSW Finals, Iggy has the best +/- of any Warrior.
And the best Finals +/- since 1997 (when it was first tracked of anyone except Ginobili -- another guy who largely came off the bench, was a winner, and deserves to be HoF despite less than gaudy stats.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 07, 2020, 01:08:22 PM
And how about Rondo?
Might win another title this year.
4x AS.
All-D 4x (two 1st; two 2nd team)
3x led the League in Assists.
Once led in Steals.
15th all-time in Assists (could make it to 13th before he's done).

Famous for upping his game in the playoffs and for big games (national TV).
Also, got booted from DAL and then passed around among poor teams for a few years.

I'd probably induct him into the Hall of Very Good, but not the HoF.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2020, 01:19:16 PM
heh

Of course Rajon is still just 34 years old.  Has 3 years left, I'd guess - minimally

Seems like a Thibs type.
Title: Playoff Rondo
Post by: bodiddley on October 07, 2020, 01:42:05 PM
Will turn 35 early next year.

If Rondo's final years go well with the Lakers, I could see him as HoF.

Like Iggy, another interesting case of a defender and big playoff contributor, but not much of a scorer.  I always think the HoF should reward stellar D (ie Ben Wallace, etc) instead of just points (and often by guys who played weak D).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2020, 01:52:06 PM
Heh

Leading the league in assists is usually a good thing as well.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 07, 2020, 01:55:24 PM
NBA TRIVIA:

1. Name the Top 6 all-time Steals Leaders


2. Name the Top Active Steals Leaders
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2020, 10:06:59 AM
Lots of good Celtics stuff here

https://hoopshype.com/2020/10/07/podcast-gordon-haywards-future-brad-stevens-potential-celtics-trades-and-more/
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 10, 2020, 04:05:00 AM
Good Game 5.

LeBJ kept Lakes in it with his 3's.  And then his drives.
Guy's a workhorse.

Nunn outplayed Rondo, providing MIA a boost.
Even one play Nunn zipped past Rondo for an O-board and layup.

Bam was not 80% and had a lot of trouble finishing around the rim.
Lots of layups, tip-ins, potential o-boards MIA failed to convert.
Could have blown open the game.

Wonder how Bam and Davis will be for G6.
Doubt Drgaic will play, but even 10-15 minutes of grit from Goran could be key.

Maybe he limps out for G7, unexpectedly starts, and hits the first two baskets ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2020, 07:37:53 AM
We deserved a Game 6 (as did Heat)

Come Sunday I hope they play well enough where I can say they deserve a SEVEN.

What did Heat see - to decide to sit Olynyk?  Some brilliant behind the scenes analysis.  SEVEN man rotation - and using a seldom used prior K Nunn.

RILES!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2020, 07:39:55 AM
Meanwhile, what will Vogel do with his Game 6 rotation?  LBJ pointed to the groceries, Palinka acted - but now what's for dinner?

BTW - Jared Dudley is AGHAST at Palinka finishing SEVENTH in exec of the year vote.  I'd agree.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 10, 2020, 08:46:51 AM
I assume Spo & Co. anticipated LAL playing LeBJ & AD on Butler and that have a wearing effect.  While they also planned to use a short rotation and Butler heavy mins (45 or so, which turned into 47'13").  Figuring that could wear down Butler, they wanted an extra ballhandler shot-creator int here.  Enter Nunn.  He's also an energy guy who can help nullify Rondo, Green, Caruso.  Good call. 
Nunn started most of the year, and is a pretty confident guy.   
And a number of the foul calls against him last game were junk (and two of them wrong).  A ncie know-on effect is that Herro becomes a tertiary ballhandler.  he's good at creating for himself, but not so much for others especially when met at the rim by AD or LBJ.  Nunn more of a genuine PG who can kick in those situations.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 10, 2020, 08:54:57 AM
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"We were very close," Lakers coach Frank Vogel said. "I felt two bad calls at the end put Butler to the line, you know, and that's unfortunate in a game of this magnitude."

Of course if Vogel didn't waste his challenge placating LeBJ on a late 1st half charge, he could have used it to challenge one of those late fouls on Butler.  I thought it was a dumb babysit LeCryBaby challenge when it occurred, and told my white cat that he should save it for the end game, where it might be important.  Twas an unsuccessful challenge, but didn't matter even if they won it.  Use the Challenge in a challenging situation.

Not saying either late foul call would have been overturned, but the 2nd one didn't look like much.  And One Challenge is the remedy given for any bad or questionable refereeing you disagree with ...


I think throughout the playoffs, Vogel has been iffy at best on challenges.  I think Doc said he doesn't like the challenge rule, so rarely uses them -- which is dumb.  it's a tool you're given, so learn how to use it, or hand it off to an assistant who works out the nuances.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: UNO on October 10, 2020, 11:52:00 AM
Every sport benefits from a Game 7. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 10, 2020, 03:13:05 PM
China actually showed G5 of the Finals live, first game they've televised all season.
Not sure why.
They seemed to say that the NBA has buddied up to China enough since Morey's pre-season tweet...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2020, 04:28:29 PM
"We were very close," Lakers coach Frank Vogel said. "I felt two bad calls at the end put Butler to the line, you know, and that's unfortunate in a game of this magnitude."



Unlikable
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2020, 04:29:24 PM
China actually showed G5 of the Finals live, first game they've televised all season.
Not sure why.
They seemed to say that the NBA has buddied up to China enough since Morey's pre-season tweet...


Trump arranged it
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on October 10, 2020, 04:50:59 PM
Before or after his manual colonoscopy or whatever other “treatments” he is undergoing?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 10, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
"We were very close," Lakers coach Frank Vogel said. "I felt two bad calls at the end put Butler to the line, you know, and that's unfortunate in a game of this magnitude."

Unlikable

It's time-tested working the officials. 
It's basically lobbying for more calls next game and showing your players you've got their back.  Pretty standard stuff.
LeBJ or the Lakes will probably pay his upcoming fine.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2020, 07:25:34 PM
"We were very close," Lakers coach Frank Vogel said. "I felt two bad calls at the end put Butler to the line, you know, and that's unfortunate in a game of this magnitude."

Unlikable

It's time-tested working the officials.
It's basically lobbying for more calls next game and showing your players you've got their back.  Pretty standard stuff.
LeBJ or the Lakes will probably pay his upcoming fine.

Zen Master 101
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 11, 2020, 03:35:01 AM
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The Last 2 Minute report showed that Morris' foul on Butler with 46.7 seconds remaining was correct because the Lakers forward made contact with Butler's left arm after the Heat star gathered the ball to enter his shooting motion.

As for the call on Davis with 16.8 seconds remaining, the league also labeled it correct, explaining in the L2M that Davis "jumps from point A to point B and initiates body contact with Butler during his driving shot attempt."

So a Vogel challenge likely wouldn't have worked.  But still better to keep the challenge for end game controversy/calls such as those, instead of wasting it in the 1st half to appease LeBJ.

JVG made the case that AD jumped slightly sideways to make contact and didn't go straight up.  I never saw a good replay of the MaMo 2.0 foul, but they're saying he hit Butler on the arm before he got the ball. 

I've had that on the playground, where the main reason a guy blocks your shot is because first he hits your arm, or holds your shoulder or hip down.  I play with one guy who sort of specializes in holding you down with a hand on your shoulder while he blocks you with the other hand.  Sneaky.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 05:42:47 PM
Should Anthony Davis be suspended for striking Jae Crowder in the face?




Wow.


https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-davis-suspended-striking-jae-crowder-lakers-heat-nba-finals-214905159.html
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 05:43:48 PM
AD starts at center, Game 6

Caruso in, Howard out.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 12:31:28 PM
Congratulations to the Lakers

And especially to the league

They did most things right - awarded their member players and their fans an exciting season

Shame they could not stop the riots after the victory.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 14, 2020, 04:44:41 AM
LeBron's first televised win, in 2002 age 17.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nC9z57MuaI
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2020, 12:12:59 PM
Today's trivia:

Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen were each 6-0 in NBA Finals

Name the 4 players who won more than 6 Finals without a loss.

Bonus:

Who is the youngest only current player to be 3-0 or more?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 15, 2020, 12:16:43 PM
Guessing Horry as one.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2020, 12:17:48 PM
Robert Horry -    7-0
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on October 17, 2020, 03:55:31 AM
http://slate.com/culture/2020/10/nba-bubble-lebron-james-finals-season.html (http://slate.com/culture/2020/10/nba-bubble-lebron-james-finals-season.html)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 17, 2020, 11:52:35 AM
Two good articles B2B on the FA class and their prospects:
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-free-agency-an-updated-look-at-the-top-75-players-on-the-market/
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2020, 12:25:55 PM
Hmmmm  -  thanks

JOE HARRIS actually fits with the Knickerbockers, doesnt he?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2020, 12:30:19 PM
Failing on Harris.....


RFA of note for Knicks


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/3125295/john-konchar


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2020, 12:35:07 PM
Looking at that link further for NYK


Do I want Clarkson or a cheaper Rivers?

And how much do I float at Pat Connaughton - again short of adding Harris?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 17, 2020, 01:01:37 PM
Knix really need to get FvanV or Bogdan as a high level FA. 
Overpay some, hell we're still kicking Noah $6M a season.  Paying an extra $4M to get a quality starter is fine.

I'm still intrigued by Jerami Grant, but wondering about the price tag.  Terrific defender.  Hustle guy, could expand his offense.

Others I'd have interest in:
Torrey Craig -- Terrific wing defender
Connaughton - nice athlete with a good hustle game, just 24
Juancho - good scorer and boarder, iffy D

Bigs:
Myers Leonard - 7' who can bang in 3's and set screens
Giles - young, big, raw
Willie C-S - young backup Big with Length.  The new Jordan Hill!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2020, 01:38:07 PM
Giles - young, big, raw


I see Giles as more of a player - a scorer.  Background says so - as does the film.  Not just a big.  And not so raw.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 17, 2020, 04:07:10 PM
I think he needs minutes, reps, court time.
Seems like he had the same season over again without progression.
I've tried to keep an eye on him, but he's played sparingly.
Just 22, untapped potential.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2020, 08:38:50 PM
GREAT prep player
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 21, 2020, 08:03:30 AM
Interesting for Celtics going forward - they like this guy


https://sports.yahoo.com/danny-ainge-suggests-romeo-langfords-140955501.html?src=rss
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 21, 2020, 05:00:46 PM
SVG to coach Zion and Zionistas.



Trade idea that makes sense is Love to GSW for Wiggins.

CLE needs to move their vets and Wiggy fits on their yute timeline.
Love would space the floor and board for GSW.  Question is can he stay healthy.
Good deal for both teams methinks.

Warriors don't want to rely on Wiggins in the playoffs.
And makes it easier for the Warriors to keep their high draft pick, as having just one rotation yute who might mess up at times is okay.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 21, 2020, 07:54:09 PM
I like Cavs this year


Sexton
Garland
Osman
Love
Drummond
Title: NBA Season
Post by: Kam on November 02, 2020, 12:44:20 PM
Start Dec. 22
Play 72 games
Finish in June


Players can complain  - but who is listening?
Title: Re: NBA Season
Post by: Kam on November 06, 2020, 11:26:52 PM
Start Dec. 22
Play 72 games
Finish in June


Players can complain  - but who is listening?

NBPA Approves the above plan.  Lakers and Heat can complain all they want.  The delete 8 are also at a disadvantage.  Gotta cater to the greater.

So now its...

Nov 18 Draft
Nov 20 Free Agency
Dec 01 Training Camp
Dec 22 Season start
72 games
Finals in June
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 07, 2020, 12:26:41 AM
Wonder how often players will be tested.
They will be hitting bars and clubs where those are open.
Some will pick up the virus, and you really want to avoid them spreading it to a whole team and knocking a team out of play for a week or two (or three as players get it at different times and for different lengths).
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 07, 2020, 06:30:09 AM
Another casualty of the early 80's NBA Cocaine Binge:
6'2" G Fast Eddie Johnson just died in prison, serving a life sentence for molesting an 8 year old girl.  Had drug and other arrests prior to that. 

* Important*
Not to be confused with the other Eddie Johnson who was much taller, had a longer career, also much with ATL, and always seemed like a good guy.


Pat Williams, who was then general manager of the Philadelphia 76ers, stated: "Eddie became a time bomb every summer."

I really don't remember him, though he was a two time all-star.


Edward Lee Johnson Jr. (February 24, 1955 – October 26, 2020) was an American professional basketball player. He played 10 seasons in the National Basketball Association (NBA) – mainly as a member of the Atlanta Hawks – from 1977 to 1987. Johnson was a two-time NBA-All-Star with the Hawks in 1980 and 1981, and earned two nominations to the NBA All-Defensive Second Team in 1979 and 1980.

Quote
Johnson battled a cocaine addiction throughout his career. After several suspensions, he finally checked himself into rehab in 1986. After he failed to follow through on mandatory counseling, the NBA suspended him in 1987.[1]

Johnson averaged 15.1 points per game in 675 games played during his 10-year NBA career.[

Seems he had mental issues (which the drug abuse likely exacerbated):
Quote
Johnson was diagnosed with manic depression by psychiatrists in the Cobb County facility; he doubted the accuracy of the diagnosis. He was prescribed with lithium tablets that he stopped taking during the 1980–81 NBA season without the knowledge of the Hawks team. Johnson believed that he no longer needed the medication and that it contributed to his tiredness during games.

The Hawks became aware of the resumption of Johnson's erratic behavior in July 1981 and persuaded him to submit to a local hospital. Johnson showed up at the Hawks' training camp in October directly from the hospital and became increasingly disruptive as he rebuked teammates, left the floor to play with a child in the stands, and jumped rope on the sidelines while oblivious to his surroundings during practice sessions. After being so alarmed by his actions, Atlanta Hawks President Michael Gearon and General Manager Stan Kasten contacted Johnson's psychiatrist, who signed a commitment order to have Johnson placed in Grady Memorial Hospital. Johnson was picked up by police before a planned practice session and taken to Grady. Johnson was taken off the Hawks' suspended list on November 21, 1981.

Johnson's life continued to spiral out of control following his banishment from the NBA. He was arrested and convicted for a litany of crimes over the years, including burglary, robbery, assault on a police officer, and shoplifting. He admitted that he had frequent drug problems which had initially cost him his career.

Johnson's rap sheet numbered about 100 arrests and five stints in and out of the Florida prison system when in 2006, he was arrested for burglary and sexual battery and molestation of an 8-year-old girl, while awaiting trial on charges of raping another woman.

Sad tale.  Died at 65 in jail.
Spent the last dozen years imprisoned.
Plus other jail stints in the two decades after his playing career and before his final strike. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2020, 12:10:02 PM
Wonder how often players will be tested.


Don't wonder.  Just enjoy the league
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 07, 2020, 12:37:08 PM
It's a serious concern.  When teams travel, they have around two dozen players and coaches, plus another likely 20-30 support staff.  50+ people you need to keep away from the virus. 

If/when anyone gets it, you need to identify that as soon as possible, so they don't spread it to others in the close quarters of the NBA workplace. So frequent testing will be needed to identify pre- and a-symptomatic cases.  I'm sure the NBA and player's union are looking into this carefully, as it has the potential to upend the season.

If you're not interested in the issue, there's no need to respond.  No one needs to hear that you don't care.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2020, 12:49:56 PM
Another casualty of the early 80's NBA Cocaine Binge:


He was mentally ill

It is in the democratic platform, is it not -

The mental issues cause the drug use - not the other way around.  i have a family member who is exhibit A (and clean, thankfully)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 07, 2020, 01:06:36 PM
He was mentally ill
The mental issues cause the drug use - not the other way around.

I think the two compound and negatively influence each other, but I don't think  directional causation is necessarily implicated.

A sad case. 

Hopefully players these days have more access to psychologists and mental health professionals to guide them and keep them on a good path.  The stigma seems to be wearing off, with players such as Love, Paul George and others more willing to discuss their mental health publicly.  Royce White was an interesting case that got some of the convo rolling and uncovered the lack of mental health assistance and infrastructure.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 08, 2020, 03:07:40 AM
Kelly Loeffler, in one of the two Jan 5 GA runoff senate elections, is the co-owner of the Atlanta WNBA team.  She's 5'9" and played ball in college.  Supposedly she's hands on and would go to games and even confer with coach Michael Cooper during halftime.

She's also possibly the richest current US senator, having married the CEO of a financial firm after working there for two years.  Need to defeat her and Perdue so Biden can have a Democratic Senate to get things done and fix the country.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2020, 10:45:55 AM
No sweat at all - the fix is in.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on November 08, 2020, 10:55:47 AM
No sweat at all - the fix is in.

Must be why both races are headed to a run-off instead of the Dems winning outright.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, if the Dems were rigging the election, they did one of the worst jobs, ever!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2020, 11:13:11 AM
Must be why both races are headed to a run-off instead of the Dems winning outright.


heh

Warnock grabbing 50+% sure would have set off some alarms.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 19, 2020, 03:03:57 AM
Wiseman goes to a perfect situation for him.
If Klay has two legs to stand on.

The other sweet lotto fit is Vassal to SAS.


Pa Williams #4.  I always doubt these workout wonders.
Late risers are pretty hit or miss (Amare/Shai v Johnny Flynn types)

Okongwu a bit of an odd fit for ATL, which is why many had him dropping to 8-10.
I'm Big on OK.  But ATL now has a terrific frontcourt with Collins-Capela and Okongwu.  I thought they'd go with Halliburton.  They just need one of their wings to blossom _Reddish, Hunter, Huerter

I thought DET would take Hayes -- what they needed.  But lot of risk with him.

Avdija at #9 for Wiz looks nice.

Not sure why PHX took a C - Smith at #10.
With Vassell, Haliburton and Nesmith on board.
Could/should have added a wing shooter.
Especially since they just moved Uber-Killer.


Kira Lewis on NOPe is intriguing.
Saddiqw Bey dropped.
Nesmith should fit well on BOS
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on November 19, 2020, 03:17:17 AM
Rozier is a pretty perfect backcourt mate for Ball.

A lot of this draft made a lot of sense.

I think Detroit has had the most radical facelift so far.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 19, 2020, 05:21:02 AM
A lot of this draft made a lot of sense.

I think Detroit has had the most radical facelift so far.

The trade leaves the Pistons with three first-round rookies:
Bey, Killian Hayes and Isaiah Stewart.

The Nets flipped #18 pick (dropper) Saddiq Bey for Shamet.
Understandable they want a shooter and a player who can contribute now.
Not sure how much time Shamet gets if they keep all of Dimwitty/LaVertical/Joe Harried.  Maybe signals another move (or losing Harris).
Clips flipped Shamet for Kennard. 

Nice move for DET.
Get a younger, cheaper (Kennard will come off the rook scale soon), bigger player in Saddiq.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 19, 2020, 05:36:28 AM
One thing I thought interesting.
In a number of write-ups on potential 1st rounders, I'd see mention that a freshman had a poor lone college season, and yet he's still projected for the 1st round.  Analysts don't even bother to say a guy should return for another year anymore.

Here's one post-draft example:
Quote
28. Minnesota Timberwolves (via LAL): PF Jaden McDaniels, Washington

This is a decent spot for him, but there are too many polished players still available for him to be the best pick. He looks the part. He has the size, athleticism and skill. He just did nothing in his one college season. Maybe you can get excited about his potential and his high school production, but he simply disappeared last year.

Guy supposedly stunk in his lone college season, and yet gets a guaranteed NBA contract.  What's that, at least $5M coming his way?  I need to look up the rook payscale.


On the other end of the spectrum, there was Gonzaga's Tillie who was said to be a good NBA prospect despite "being injured all 4 years" of college.
He went undrafted.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 20, 2020, 06:21:50 PM
Careful.....

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/jaden-mcdaniels-1.html

Say he didnt shoot well or that his team didnt win a lot.

"Stunk" is just a stupid assessment for you to pass forward
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2020, 02:41:11 AM
According to that writer:
"He just did nothing in his one college season ... he simply disappeared last year."

That writer gave a pretty harsh assessment which I paraphrased.
Maybe it's "stunk compared to expectations."
Or, he along with his team stunk.
While his shooting was stinky.
And his turnovers particularly acrid.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: josh on November 21, 2020, 11:57:08 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/20/us/nba-toronto-raptors-spt-trnd/index.html

Raptors kicked out of Canada.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 23, 2020, 03:25:19 AM
Looking over team moves and makeovers, a few stand out:

ATL
Okongwu, Gallinari, Rajon Rondo, Kris Dunn
If their Bogdan x 2 offer wins out than they've hit a home run.
Lost: Teague, Deadman, Bembry -- nothing much


LAKES
Montrezl Harrell, Wesley Matthews, Dennis Schroder, Marc Gasol
Upgrade and get rid of more complicated personalities in Rondo and Dwight.
Much cheaper Matthews for Danny Green


DAL
Draft: Josh Green (18th overall), Tyrell Terry (31st overall), Tyler Bey (36th overall)
Trade: Josh Richardson (Philadelphia 76ers), James Johnson
Lost: Seth Curry

I don't know Josh Green, but those are two intriguing 2nd rounders.
I'm a Josh Rich fan, but he's not the Eddie Jones I had been projecting.  A nice two-way player, but low-key.  Johnson gives them some toughness.
They wanted to improve their D and Rich and Johnson help.


GSW
Added James Wiseman, Kelly Oubre, Brad Wanamaker
Nice fill-ins if Klay can still make hay.

Also took a flyer on Nico Mannion (48th overall) and added Bazemore.
Lost McGhee, Quinn Cook


Clips
Basically swapped Ibaka and Kennard for Montrezl and Shamet.
Nice recovery, I'd call that an upgrade.
They panicked a bit and overpaid MaMo, but that's okay for now.


PHI
Dwight and + vet shooters -- Seth Curry & Danny Green
excised Horford


PHX
Chris Paul, Crowder + draftee Jalen Smith
Lost Uber-Killer, Rubio, Tank, Baynes


POR
Covington + Kanter + Giles on a 1 year min deal

Knix, Memf, Magic, IND all sat this off-season out.
Actually Knicks made moves, but just another reshuffle like last year.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 23, 2020, 03:32:13 AM
Kudos to Google Chrome.
My computer crashed before I finished that longish post, and I had to unplug my frozen machine, restart the whole system, and when I reopened and restored Chrome, there was my draft post.  I knew browsers had become much better at saving and not losing info, but I didn't expect to get a draft post after a total crash.  Very nice.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 28, 2020, 12:45:46 PM
Not sure why Ainge didn't want Myles Turner who seems to be the closest thing to an Al Horford that's out there.  Plus he'd have trade value.  I'd rather My Turn at $18M then Tristan at $9M.  Part of my knock on Turner is he doesn't shoot enough, which wouldn't be an issue on BOS.
This captures my thoughts:

Gordon Hayward, Myles Turner and the Celtics' failed sign-and-trade that could end up being a big mistake (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/gordon-hayward-myles-turner-and-the-celtics-failed-sign-and-trade-that-could-end-up-being-a-big-mistake/)


And an appreciation and strong endorsement of Bogdan x 2 from Giannis and Popovich (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/heres-why-bogdan-bogdanovic-is-so-special-that-he-was-reportedly-giannis-first-choice-free-agent-for-bucks/)

The guy has game and smarts.
Really would have been a terrific fit in MIL.
Would balance the ballhandling so JRue can do his combo thing and Giannis could control the ball but not overly so.  And an excellent sniper.

ATL is a pretty good spot for him, but a lot of young guys and a lot of new faces to work into the mix.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 29, 2020, 02:55:52 AM
How many of these draftees can you recognize?

(https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2020%2F1127%2Fr781594_1296x518_5%2D2.jpg&w=1320&h=528&scale=crop&cquality=40&location=center&format=jpg)

I can spot Manion, Wise Man, and Obi Toppings (who looks like he grew 3 inches the night before).

Who is the little guy dressed as an leprechaun (green plaid)?
It's so, uh, vibrant that you hardly notice the guy next to him is where a red plaid suit.

Is that Edwards who didn't bother with a suit jacket and just wore a letter-man style jacket?

Who's the Chris Webber looking dude in the back wearing a lime green suit?
And who's that next to him (Okongwu?) wearing a hat?

Bright blue suit, three to the left of The Commish?
Is that Vassell in the red double breasted jacket next to ObiT?

Really don't like the skinny pants -- hope this fashion fades away soon.
I think my favorite ensemble here is the blood red jacket far left front row.
Runner up: the guy with the Clyde jacket and big feet one to the right of the skinny Eurofella
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 29, 2020, 03:20:51 AM
Iman Quikley far left, bookend with Toppin on the far right
Cole Anthony next to Silver
LeMelo behind them
Edwards next to Cole

Onyeka Okongwu is 4th in from the left
Leprechaun is Boston draftee Aaron Nesmith
I believe that's Avidja 4th in from the right
I believe Isiaih Stewart next to him on one side and Wiseman next to him on the other side
I think Patrick Williams is to the other side on Wiseman
The guy in the hat next to him.... no clue.

Zeke Nnaji is the Jordan Hill looking guy smiling in the back row under the letter T in Draft.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 29, 2020, 03:24:40 AM

Really don't like the skinny pants -- hope this fashion fades away soon.


They've been in-style for at least 10 years.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2020, 08:25:36 AM
Green plaid is the Celtics draftee - I recall their saying on the telecast that he may have had advance knowledge.


Re:  Bogdan - lets face it - HE got screwed by thew MIL deal leaking.  Not much talk of that.

Does BB land in a spot where he may score more, play more?  And not have to live near...cough...Milwaukee?  Sure.  But no EC Finals, NBA Finals any time soon.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2020, 08:30:14 AM
2 guys missing in the pic must be FLYNN and PRITCHARD,
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 29, 2020, 09:23:53 AM
Really don't like the skinny pants -- hope this fashion fades away soon.

They've been in-style for at least 10 years.

Yeah, but I didn't need to buy new pants until the last 3 years ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 29, 2020, 09:29:17 AM
Thanks for the pic help.
I should have recognized a few more (Avdija and LaMelo certainly).

Kam seems to have gone right.
Can anyone go left and work that side?

I'm still interested in bright blue suit front row left, and lime green suit back ro slightly to the right...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 29, 2020, 11:30:01 PM
TyHaliburton is the guy behind Silver, between LaMelo and Nnaji.
To Nnaji's right is Aleksej Pokusevski.
To the right of Aleksej is Jalen Smith
To the right of smith is Josh Green


I'm still interested in bright blue suit front row left, and lime green suit back row slightly to the right...


I think that's Vernon Carey you're asking about in the back.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2020, 12:16:36 AM
I believe that's Kira Lewis in the beige suit front right between leprechaun Nesmith and letterman jacket Edwards.  If so, Lewis looks a bit taller than i thought, but he's listed at 6'3" and says he bulked up to almost 180 (from 165 in college).

I'll call Saddiq Bey with the chain , one to the left of Wise Man and behind the leprechaun.

And probably Precious Achiuwa with the hat.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2020, 01:41:04 AM
(https://a.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2020%2F1127%2Fr781594_1296x518_5%2D2.jpg)

Okay, going right from Adam Silver:

LaMelo      Carey(?)      Precious Achoo     Saddiq      WiseMan        Avdija      Isiah Stewart?
     
     Cole Anthony    Edwards         Kira Lewis     Nesmith   ?RedPlaid?    Vassell        ObiToppings