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Title: Nets
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:33:00 AM
Discuss the Nets chances this year.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on August 05, 2018, 12:55:43 PM
Anyone have a clue what the Nets are up to?

They look like a scrappy bad team.

I guess they picked up a few picks here and there.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 31, 2018, 08:15:11 PM
Nets v. Pistons
Both teams started off 0-5 FG.
It was 2-1 after 3 minutes.

Tangelo 1-7 in the 1Q.
Looks disinterested.

DET has looked bad both games I saw them.
Blake running into double teams and losing the ball.
Pachulia leading DET in scoring after 1Q.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Kam on October 31, 2018, 09:24:10 PM
The NETS should move to Seattle.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on November 03, 2018, 05:52:31 AM
That's harsh.
Seattleans can just drive to Portland for an NBA game.
Where can Brooklynites go?


Nets gave up a winnable game v. Rockettes.
BKY had been attacking Melo in switches for profit.
Then stopped doing that in the 4Q when he had 4 fouls. 
Odd.  HOU was shorthanded and Melo is a weak defender.
Also tangelo sat out the entire 4Q and the Nets offense stagnated badly the last 5 mins.  Not sure if there was a reason for that, but they could have used a creator and just a different combination of players out there.

CP3 got into his ultra-competitive mode and made plays good and bad.
Enough good to W it up.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 21, 2018, 09:33:13 AM
Could it be?

Austin Rivers to Rockets?

Good for the kid.
Title: Liz Warren Has a Plan for That
Post by: bodiddley on August 17, 2019, 02:10:31 AM
How an Outrageous NBA Transaction Supports Elizabeth Warren’s Case to Be President (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/mikhail-prokhorov-brooklyn-nets-sale-elizabeth-warren.html)

 “the public sector socializes risks, while rewards are privatized”

Warren's concern is that the US or state and local Gov'ts spend a lot of money luring a sports team, building a stadium, investing in R&D for drugs or whatever -- and then hand its investment off to the private sector. 


In the Nets case, if the State of NY got back say a 30% investment in the Nets for all of its eminent domaining, infrastructure work, and huge tax breaks, that would be worth $800M now.  About what was spent.  In 2009 the Nets were bought for $900M, so giving up a 30% stake to get to Brooklyn and get $800M worth of assistance  would be quite reasonable.

What could also be done is the gov't could monetize its minority ownership by selling its stake to fans.  Who would probably pay a premium to own shares in their favorite team.  (the gov't could also sell its minority stake to a rich investor group).  it'd probably be wise to have the gov't hold its stake for a 10 year period before selling.

Never understood why teams were owned by ultra-rich men, and not publicly trade companies where fans could own part of the team.  I think Green Bay Packers are the only American sports team operating on such a model.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on September 06, 2019, 04:36:53 AM
Kyrie - LeVert - Joe Harris - KD - TheAndre
Dimwiddie - Kurucs - Jarret Allen

That's a pretty strong team.
Nice mix of defense and scoring, shooting and driving.
Though there's a number of injury risks for them.
And I've never been a Kyrie fan.
LeVert and Allen still developing.

But that's next year.
Slot in Wil once allowed and things are not as exciting.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 04:03:19 AM
I was flipping to the Nets replay some while watching the replayed Knix.

Make sure to catch Kyrie's game winning attempt.  Down 1, 8 secs, Kyrie isolates does a spin dribble, falls down, gets up and keeps his dribble and misses and off-balance FT line J.  Got a pretty good look, after some craziness.   One Nets announcer was laughing after Kyrie's tumble.

With 1 min left in OT, Wiggins made two nice baskets to give MINNy the lead.  That after playing a very blah game.  Was nice to see him Wig out when it mattered. 

There was a play with around 40 secs left where Kyrie drove past laVert and Towns came over on help and expertly contested without fouling, causing Kyrie to double clutch and shoot his layup attempt into the underside of the rim.  Ans I think KAT had 5 fouls for that.  And on another late drive, Kyrie had nowhere to go and Towns swatted his pass/shot/whatever out of bounds.  I didn't see much of the game, but if Towns starts playing good defense, he's a genuine all-star and Top 10 player.

Nets Trivia

Name the 5 players who scored 50 or more points as a Netizen.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 10:37:15 AM
Are you counting ABA?

Rick Barry, Dr. J.  Kyrie.  Did Bernard ever do that?  Marbury?
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:04:54 AM
Not ABA.
Just NBA.

And I should have made it more clear.
5 Nets scored 50 or more before Kyrie joined them to make a half dozen.

Marbury is one.
2.
3.
4.
5.

I thought the names were pretty interesting.

Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 11:07:17 AM
Vince Carter?
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:10:06 AM
1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3.
4.
5.

The next 3 ain't that easy.
I'll proffer hints in a bit.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: facilitatorn on October 24, 2019, 11:15:47 AM
Šarūnas Marčiulionis
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 11:17:13 AM
Drazen Petrovic
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:24:26 AM
Šarūnas Marčiulionis

Maybe your thinking of Petrovic.

Drazen!
Good guess!

But wrong . . .
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:27:03 AM
Okay, some hints:

one guy has a strong Knick connection

another was a NET both ABA & NBA

the third guy you won't guess even if I give you his initials . . .
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 11:28:10 AM
Ah.  Was thinking John Williamson (ABA and NBA)

I remember Deron Williams having a huge game once.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:32:03 AM
1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3. Super John Williamson!
4.
5.


SuperJohn was a fun player.  A super gunner.
I was at one early NBA Nets game (at the then new Rutgers Athletic Center) and Super John hit a long fadeaway J while falling into the Nets bench.  Crazy.  And there wasn't a 3 point shot then ...

Deron a good guess.
I'm sort of surprised he didn't.
I'll have to check on that.

Two more .  .  .
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 11:41:56 AM
My mistake.
6 Nets scored 50 or more.
Deron did it.  A 57 point game in his 2nd Net season.
Kyrie was the 7th Net to half-century it.

1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3. Super John Williamson!
4. Deron Williams

5. _________ has a Knick connection

6. _________ I'll give you his initials after a while . . .

These are the hard ones ...
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 01:19:31 PM
One is an ex-Knick who only played 1 year with the Nets.

The other played 2 seasons Netside.
His initials are MN.

Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 01:56:12 PM
Mike Newlin!!!!!
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: facilitatorn on October 24, 2019, 02:00:44 PM
Šarūnas Marčiulionis

Maybe your thinking of Petrovic.

Drazen!
Good guess!

But wrong . . .

Was thinking Drazen. Thanks
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 02:05:57 PM
Mike Newlin also played for the Knicks.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 02:14:21 PM
Mike Newlin!!!!!

Yank watched the game last night
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2019, 02:33:32 PM
No Yank didn't.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2019, 08:08:58 PM

1. Marbury
2. Invincible Carter
3. Super John Williamson!
4. Deron Williams
5. MIKE NEWLIN

Newlin was a good shooter, sort of the Joe Harris of his day.
Played mostly for HOU in the 70's,  Finished his career with two Net seasons and a final Knick year.  Very difficult to guess.

and still one more
6. _________ has a strong Knick connection.

Actually I didn't even recall that he played with the Nets at all (just one season there, in which he dropped a 50 game).

Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on November 14, 2019, 10:32:04 AM
I came in here to note that Shump signed with BKY.
They could use more defense at the G spot.

I didn't realize Shump was out of the League.  Just 29, but trouble staying healthy.

Is there anywhere that lists the players who drop out of the league?
(retirees, exiles to int'land, FA's never picked up)


Didn't realize I left this Trivia Q hanging.

There's one more Net who scored 50 or more points.
In fact, 52 points in April 1982.
A former Knick.

The list of all 7 Nets who scored 50 or more is here (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1976&year_max=2020&is_playoffs=E&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=NJN&season_start=1&season_end=-1&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=50&order_by=pts)
Title: NBA TV ratings down double-figures
Post by: Kam on February 19, 2020, 01:08:40 PM
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11 teams can’t even get a 1.00 rating locally, including both New York teams (0.85 for the Knicks on MSG and 0.45, the league’s third-lowest mark, for the Nets on YES)

Nets stand to have the biggest increase next season with a healthy squad.

https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/nba-ratings-are-down-13-locally-and-the-warriors-have-taken-a-shocking-66-local-hit.html (https://awfulannouncing.com/nba/nba-ratings-are-down-13-locally-and-the-warriors-have-taken-a-shocking-66-local-hit.html)
Title: Kyrie out
Post by: Kam on February 20, 2020, 06:17:49 PM
Done for the season
Title: Atkinson
Post by: Kam on March 07, 2020, 11:19:53 PM
Kenny Atkinson let go by the NETS
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on March 08, 2020, 06:10:00 AM
Gee, my guess (in the Knix forum) that it was Kyrie's doing seems to have backup:
Quote
Irving soured on Atkinson early, league sources told Yahoo Sports, and currently prefers Clippers assistant Tyronn Lue to be the team’s next head coach. Lue was the head coach in Cleveland when Irving hit the winning shot in the 2016 NBA Finals and was in talks to take the Lakers job before discussions broke down.

Kyrie managed a 20 game season, was pouty, the Nets frequently played best without him, and he likely got his coach fired.  Terrific.

And BOS improved greatly without him.  Tatum and Jaylen's trajectory back on track.  Glad we aren't saddled with those two star gimps (KI & KD).
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on August 03, 2020, 03:24:52 AM
Lance Thomas got the start for the Netizens.
Didn't score in 10 minutes.
Tyler Johnson started too and also missed all his FG's and fouled x5, but got assists and boards.

I like leVert, guy plays hard, terrific in the open floor, puts pressure on the D.

I guess nets v. Wiz is as bad as it gets in the bubble.
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2020, 10:42:11 AM
JEROME ROBINSON has a nice opportunity for Wizards (12 yesterday)
Title: Re: Nets
Post by: bodiddley on August 06, 2020, 12:04:52 PM
Bring it to Jerome looked okay in the half I saw.  Aggressive, but one sloppy turnover/bad pass.  Rushed a reverse layup that became an airball.  Canned a nice J.

But I quite liked Troy Brown Jr.  Mofo is fearless.  Just goes at guys.

Edit: just checked and Troy Boy has a pair of 8 assist games in the quartet of restart games.  Nearly a triple-double v. Nets 22 /10 & 8 Assists.
I'd like him as the NYK starting SG.

2nd Edit: The Philyl announcers apparently had never seen Thomas Bryant and came away impressed, saying he'll have a 10 year career, etc.  Seemed odd, since Bryant was the Wiz starting C last year.  A moose with good hands, scores well inside, has a decent J, just needs to improve on D.  Just turned 23 last week.
Title: Stashing My Rant Here for Reference
Post by: bodiddley on August 06, 2020, 12:07:11 PM
Has there ever been a budding young star, still on a rook contract, who forced his way out?

KZ left because of organizational dysfunction.
Phil thinking that he and his retrograde system was the star of the show.
The crappy way that Melo and Noah were treated.  The coaching carousel.
The antiquated system.  Never got KZ a PG partner.  Etc.

Most teams coddle their star, pay them more than other teams can, keep his trainers and end-of-the-bench friends with the team, etc.
Knix completely and thoroughly blew it.

And then to make matters worse, rushed a trade for useless parts.
Just embarrassing.