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Title: NBA
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:33:12 AM
Who will go to the championship this season?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 03:33:04 PM
Vegas book has Knix 13th out of 15 in the East with 29.5 W's
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-win-total-projections-las-vegas-sportsbook-releases-over-unders-for-every-teams-number-of-wins/

East Playoff teams:
Celtics, Raptors, Sixers, Pacers,
Bucks, Wizards, Heat (41.5), Pistons (37.5)
Then
Hornets, Nets, Magic, Cavs,
Knix, Bulls, Hawks

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 03:45:34 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-free-agency-2018-player-movement-signings-trades-offseason-grades-for-every-team/
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 20, 2018, 02:03:59 AM
Basketball Reference has a one page listing of every player's contract: https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/players.html

Just too bad it isn't sortable by position, which would allow useful comparisons.

[out of the Top 30 salaries, there's maybe 8 guys I'd pay what they're getting]
Title: Goat Cheese
Post by: Kam on August 22, 2018, 07:28:49 PM
Imagine if all the NBA owners got together and purchased an NFL franchise.

You could see LeBron play year round.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on August 27, 2018, 04:04:23 PM
Ginobili has retired.

Wonder if he'd stick around another year if Kawhi didn't bolt and SAS were a genuine contender.

Manu had a crazy legged style, introduced the Euro-step, and always seemed to make big plays -- steals, elbow 3's, a drive left to the rim, whatever.  Played with energy and passion and just had a different rhythm than everyone else.  Great competitor.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 08, 2018, 08:53:44 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


1. I began my career overseas but still played 15 NBA Seasons, for 6 different teams
2. I was once in a trade involving Brad Miller and in another trade involving Vince Carter
3. I merited consideration for 6th man of the year by my sophomore season.
4. I once won the Most Improved Player award.
5. I played two different stints for the Orlando Magic
6. I am currently the president of the Turkish Basketball Federation.
7. My last name rhymes with the full name of the coach of the Cavaliers
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 16, 2018, 01:47:14 AM
Really?  No guesses?  Is it too obvious or too obscure?
Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 16, 2018, 08:37:45 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


1. I began my career overseas but still played 15 NBA Seasons, for 6 different teams
2. I was once in a trade involving Brad Miller and in another trade involving Vince Carter
3. I merited consideration for 6th man of the year by my sophomore season.
4. I once won the Most Improved Player award.
5. I played two different stints for the Orlando Magic
6. I am currently the president of the Turkish Basketball Federation.
7. My last name rhymes with the full name of the coach of the Cavaliers

I am Hedo Turkoglu
Title: The 4 point shot
Post by: Kam on October 20, 2018, 09:36:21 PM
Any shot taken from behind the half-court line as the time expires in any of the first three quarters of the game.

Don't want it to mess with end-game strategy. Or strategy in general. It should just be a lucky shot.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on October 22, 2018, 02:04:14 AM

Los 20
Les 21
Biz 23
Ade 23
BoD 23
Bank 24
Nagel 25
Zup 30
Yank 30
Ike 31
J Straw 31
Early 32
Chip 33
Kam 33
Fac 34
Klint 36
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on October 22, 2018, 02:04:57 AM
Really?  No guesses?  Is it too obvious or too obscure?

People don't check into this forum, Kam. Post in the Knicks forum next time!
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 22, 2018, 05:27:56 AM
No, it's good to keep this thread going.
I was on vacation.
And when I got back I skimmed your question too quickly and didn't realize you were looking for one person and not 9 different players.  And your answer was there already anyway.

Hedo was a pretty solid player.  Could do a lot (except defend).
I had a Turkish youth basketball team assure me that Ilyasova was the real deal and would be a better NBA pro than Turkoglu.
Ilya had skills, but not the drive or tenacity.  Hedo had a better career.  More skilled more consistent, played harder.

Otherwise I really should have taken 22 W's and filled in the empty slot.  Go for the win not the tie.  But I was just back and catching up on things quickly.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 22, 2018, 02:40:53 PM
Really?  No guesses?  Is it too obvious or too obscure?

People don't check into this forum, Kam. Post in the Knicks forum next time!

They should check into this forum. There's like .... just five posts before mine.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 25, 2018, 05:29:25 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%

1. I played for 4 teams over 12 seasons, including Sacramento, Toronto, Detroit, and Philadelphia
2. The Kings drafted me in 1995 and traded me north of the border for Doug Christie. 
3. I was later in a trade for Eric Montross and Jerome "Junkyard Dog" Williams
4. I was once the 6th man of the year
5. I am currently an assistant coach for the Phoenix Suns
6. I won an NBA Championship
7. My nickname given to me during AAU ball was 'Big Nasty'
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 05:39:21 PM
That's Corliss Williamson.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 25, 2018, 05:50:25 PM
That's Corliss Williamson.

Right on.  How many clues did it take?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 25, 2018, 05:59:37 PM
I was pretty sure after two clues, the next 4 didn't add or subtract from certainty, and the last confirmed it.   
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 25, 2018, 09:38:11 PM
Good job.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 26, 2018, 01:58:49 AM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%

1. I was traded (as a future pick) before I ever played an NBA game for Bobby Jackson.


2. I was a 2nd round pick. (#32 overall)


3. I was a two time All-Star


4. I played for 6 teams over 15 seasons


Rest of the clues to follow...  (if necessary)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 26, 2018, 11:43:40 AM


5. I was drafted by the Seattle Supersonics


6. I played for, and reached the NBA finals with both Florida expansion franchises


7. I won an NBA championship with the Miami Heat alongside another former Supersonic Ray Allen
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on October 26, 2018, 12:06:19 PM
‘Shard Lewis. Sweet stroke. A likely model for Knox, though they let guys like that develop and apply their handles more in today’s “freedom of movement” NBA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:11:32 PM
Correcto.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:27:20 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%

1. I played for 2 teams over 12 seasons, retiring with the PHX Suns
2. I scored 57 points in a game vs the Utah Jazz, the most ever in a game for a 2nd round pick
3. I held the record for most 3 pointers in a quarter with eight vs the Houston Rockets.  Until Klay Thompson broke it in 2015.
4. I made the 2004 All-Star game
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:28:41 PM
Need more clues?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:29:02 PM
5. I was drafted #43 and played 11 seasons for the Milwaukee Bucks
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:29:47 PM
6. I was paired with a Penn at Ohio State
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:30:03 PM
7. My last name is a color
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 29, 2018, 05:36:03 PM
That's Michael Redd.  Number 3 did it for me.
Title: Yankguy is an Expert
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 05:56:19 PM
Boo-YA!  Michael Reddish.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 06:34:55 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA despite being an afterthought to the team that selected me with the final pick in the 2nd round
2. Aside from my original team that drafted me I also played for three other teams; Vancouver, Cleveland and Orlando
3. I share the name of a US President
4. Averaging 14 points and 3 assists per game for my career i'm by far the best player from my college, University of Tennessee at Chatanooga

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 08:35:17 PM
More clues:




5. In my final season I got to play on the same team with my brother
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 08:36:08 PM
More clues:



6. I was once referred to as "The Jordan Stopper"  (as in Michael Jordan)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on October 29, 2018, 08:36:46 PM
Final clue:


7. My older brother is a lot more famous than me.  (But not as famous as Michael Jordan)
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 29, 2018, 10:08:07 PM
Klay with 52 in 27 mins.
14 3's.
Way to bust out of a slump ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 08:08:15 AM
So that was Gerald Wilkins, oui?


Malik Monk 7-45 FG  (15%) his last 5 games, including 2-26 on 3's (8%).  Bringing his shooting %'s below his rook season failures.
And basically that's all Monk does is shoot. 

His splits are highly divergent:
Home 8 games 20.6 mins  4.6-10.5 FG  44.0% [on 3's] 2.1-5.6 37.8%
Road  8 games 22.3 mins  2.9-11.0 FG  26.1%  [on 3's] 1.3-6.1 20.4%

So his Home shooting is slightly above average, while his Road shooting is abysmal.

NBA lifestyle to blame?
Tues-Thurs he's shot fairly well, Fri-Mon he's been bad.
Could just be stat noise, or this guy is partying too much on the Road and weekends.  Not easy having a $3M million dollar salary and being 20 years old.

Quick googling:
Feb 20, 2018:
Quote
Monk was driving near the University of Arkansas around 5:46 AM when his red 2002 Lexus ran off the road and crashed into a gate.
University police responded and cited the 20-year-old for careless driving and no proof of insurance.

Unlikely he was just up real early going to a morning workout.
He was also set to check into a pre-season game but discovered he didn't have a jersey on under his warmups.
A stoner?  Knucklehead?   JEarl Smith type?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 08:41:13 AM
So maybe Celts are better without Kyrie? ? ?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 10:32:03 AM
Probably not.

If I was to finger point I'd choose a few someone elsee before KI.

the Celts aren't hitting their 3s, and since they take a lot of them, it kind of kills the offense,

They may want to play a little more aggresively, make the next pass, drive to the basket, and try to draw fouls. (they are 2nd worse at getting to the line).

I suspect they'll get out of this O-funk.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 10:41:05 AM
It seems everyone is playing worse this year -- Horford, Jaylen, Tatum, Rozier.  They looked hungrier and played harder and with more energy without Kyrie.  More team play.  Better D too with Smart and Rozier at the point.

If you need a bucket in the last minute or two, I want Kyrie on my team.  Otherwise, he's up and down, weak on D, and more Me than Team, imo.  Not a fave of mine.

And yes, they do have enough talent that they should turn things around.  But they need playoff success more than regular season.
I'd be working on getting Horford in the flow on both ends.  When he's on, it's make them much tougher.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 11:00:01 AM
The biggest fall-off has been Brown and Rozier. And Horford's outside shot is missing, but he generally plays hard.

I mostly thinkits a rotational thing, figuring outs minutes, AND guys are settling for quick 3s. And they're missing. (Brown has been brutal)

But they do play pretty good team D, but have been burned by some out unworldly shooting, last night it was Walker who went off in the 4th qtr.

I don't get upset at that.

i get pissed at no effort and lazy ball.

I'd like to see them get more pro-active, drive to the hoop, and get to the line.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 11:24:31 AM
So that was Gerald Wilkins, oui?



Correct!
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 11:39:03 AM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Guesses: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Guesses: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Guesses: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 10 NBA Seasons, all for the same franchise that drafted me.  Just not the first franchise that drafted me. (Yes i was drafted twice)
2. I was something of an NBA iron man. I never missed more than 3 games in a season. Typically playing 81 or 82 games until my final season (still managed 64 games that year)
3. I won the Defensive Player of the Year award twice, and I made the All-Star team once. Pretty good for a 4th round pick.
4. Heck I was drafted in the 5th round a few years earlier
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
5. I was a little used reserve at UCLA under Larry Brown where - like the NBA later - i averaged more rebounds than points
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:34:32 PM
6. I finished with career averages of: 6 points 8 rebounds and 3.5 blocks per game for my NBA career.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:35:04 PM
7. My #53 is retired.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
5. I was a little used reserve at UCLA under Larry Brown where - like the NBA later - i averaged more rebounds than points

Mark Eaton
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 12:49:25 PM
5. I was a little used reserve at UCLA under Larry Brown where - like the NBA later - i averaged more rebounds than points

Mark Eaton

Correct!

Eaton was drafted by the Phoenix Suns in the 1979 NBA draft with the 107th pick in the 5th round. He was eligible to be drafted because he was already four years out of high school in 1979. However, he opted to return to college basketball.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 20, 2018, 01:06:51 PM
Well that's Mark Eaton. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 01:19:16 PM
Well that's Mark Eaton.

Correct! 

Larry Farmer was the head coach of UCLA from 1981 to 1984, guiding them to a 61–23 (.726) record. He had recruited Earvin "Magic" Johnson to come play at UCLA, but then told Johnson to hold off on a visit as he was more interested in Albert King.[20] Neither played for UCLA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 02:04:58 PM
Hint #3 gave me a few names to toy with.
#6 gave me the answer.

Not too many folks average 3.5 blocks per.
Actually no one but Eaton.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 02:09:58 PM
Okay, I got one.

The 6th Man of the Year was instituted for the '82-'83 season.

Since then only 3 players have won 6th Man with an average of 20+ Pts/game. 
And only 3 players have won 6th Man honors with an average below 10 Pts/game.
Both are impressive.

Name those 6th bench greats.

Bonus:  Who is the only player to win 6th Man while playing under 20 mins/game?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 20, 2018, 02:26:13 PM
Well that's Mark Eaton.

Correct! 

Larry Farmer was the head coach of UCLA from 1981 to 1984, guiding them to a 61–23 (.726) record. He had recruited Earvin "Magic" Johnson to come play at UCLA, but then told Johnson to hold off on a visit as he was more interested in Albert King.[20] Neither played for UCLA.
Hard to believe, but coming out of high school Albert King was more highly rated than Magic (as was Gene Banks).  That was a really good high school class.  Not only those 3 guys but Jeff Ruland (a far, far better player than people seem to remember), Jeff Lamp (a great college player), Darnell Valentine, Al Wood, Kelly Tripucka and a bunch more.   
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 03:15:10 PM
Okay, I got one.

The 6th Man of the Year was instituted for the '82-'83 season.

Since then only 3 players have won 6th Man with an average of 20+ Pts/game. 
And only 3 players have won 6th Man honors with an average below 10 Pts/game.
Both are impressive.

Name those 6th bench greats.

Bonus:  Who is the only player to win 6th Man while playing under 20 mins/game?

20+:

Jamal Crawford
Lou Williams

10-:

Dennis Rodman
Andrei Kirilenko
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 05:11:05 PM
1. LouW had 22.6 PPG last year when he won 6-Man

x Jamal topped out at 18.6 PPG in his 3 Awards.

xx RodMan & Ak47 never won 6th Man.
They both started a lot after a few early seasons.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2018, 07:42:41 PM
Wiz down 19 at Home after 1Q (to the CLips).

Was tried starting Oubre.
Not working.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 20, 2018, 09:34:24 PM
Was Ben Wallace a 6th man under 10?

Harden over 20?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2018, 04:51:03 AM
x  Harden was 6th Man once with a 16.8 PPG average

x  Ben Wallace never was a 6th Man winner
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 21, 2018, 10:33:01 AM
Okay, I got one.

The 6th Man of the Year was instituted for the '82-'83 season.

Since then only 3 players have won 6th Man with an average of 20+ Pts/game. 
And only 3 players have won 6th Man honors with an average below 10 Pts/game.
Both are impressive.

Name those 6th bench greats.

Bonus:  Who is the only player to win 6th Man while playing under 20 mins/game?

Give me the bonus.

Just checked my recollection with the google machine, Bill "What a long strange trip its been" Walton won the 6th man award in '85-86 with the Celts playing just under 20 mpg and scoring under 8 ppg.   
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2018, 10:51:12 AM
Bill Walton fewest minutes (19.6) and Points (7.6) for a 6th Man winner.  When he was on the Celts of course.

20+ Pts per game
1.
2. Lou Williams  22.6
3.

<10  PPG
1. Bill Walton  7.6
2.
3.

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 21, 2018, 04:50:42 PM
Under 10?
Detlef Shrempf

Over 20?
Eric Gordon
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 21, 2018, 05:40:48 PM
Under 10?
Detlef Shrempf

16.1 & 17.3 in his two 6th man campaigns.
Guy put the ball in the basket.

You need to think defenders.

Quote
Over 20?
Eric Gordon

16.2

The two other 20+ 6th Men go back a ways.
Classic bench scorers of their day.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on November 30, 2018, 10:15:17 AM
Andrew Toney, Michael Cooper?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2018, 11:34:51 AM
Andrew Toney, Michael Cooper?

Right type of player, but neither won the award.

Some hints:
1) Of the under 10 point 6th Men, one was a Knick when he won.

2) the other sub-10 Pt 6th Man was a teammate of one of your two above guesses.
______________________________

3) Of the 20+ scorers, one won the 6th Man award twice. 
Was considered the classic 6th man scorer of his day.  Late 80's.

4) The other 20+ 6th Man writes a column for Hoopshype now and then.


New Bonus Q

3 Knix won 6th Man of the Year.
And one ex-Knick.
Who was they?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on November 30, 2018, 02:21:48 PM
Fat Lever
Anthony Mason
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on November 30, 2018, 02:28:09 PM
(3) Ricky Pierce and (4) Eddie Johnson were the scorers, thanks for the hints

1) Anthony Mason, of course 2) Kurt Rambis? Mychal Thompson? Bobby Jones? Mo Cheeks? I really have no idea.

Bonus is a bit easier: Starks, Mason, Earl plus Crawford
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 30, 2018, 05:19:58 PM
Well, thanks for reviving the question.
Correct on the Knix.

20+ 6th Men:

1989-90  Ricky Pierce    MIL  23.0 Pts
2017-18  Lou Williams   LAC  22.6
1988-89  Eddie Johnson PHO 21.5 

Although it's kind of line drawing, as McHale averaged 19.8; Terry 19.6; Manu & Pierce again 19.5. At least all 3 top scorers were above 21 PPG, and didn't just skim over 20.

Ricky Pierce scored nearly 15K Points in his career, while coming off the bench over 70% of the time.  Pretty impressive.


As for low-scoring 6th Men, Bobby Jones was the final one.
Another classic 6th Man.

The list of lowest scoring 6th men Winners:

1994-95  Anthony Mason  NYK  9.9
1982-83  Bobby Jones  PHI  9.0
1985-86  Bill Walton    BOS  7.6

Next lowest scoring winner was another '6er Aaron Mckie (11.9 Pts)
Bill Walton's mere 7.6 is pretty amazing.  Walton was a hair under 20 mpg.  While most of these 6th Men winners averaged around 30 mins per.

Here's a link to the full sortable list: https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/smoy.html

Fun to recall such names as Darrell Armstrong; Roy Tarpley, Dell Curry, Bobby Jackson, Danny Manning, etc.  I remember that one year when Rodney Rogers was just killing it.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on December 03, 2018, 03:26:16 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA for four different teams
2. I was a 9 time All-Star and All-Star game MVP once
3. I was a part of the original "Dream Team" that demolished opponents by 44 ppg
4. I'm a hall of famer as a player and a coach
Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: bankshot1 on December 04, 2018, 12:36:10 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA for four different teams
2. I was a 9 time All-Star and All-Star game MVP once
3. I was a part of the original "Dream Team" that demolished opponents by 44 ppg
4. I'm a hall of famer as a player and a coach

Kam would the following be true?

5. I did not play on the Dream Team.

6. I last pro-coached the Knicks?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on December 04, 2018, 01:01:31 PM
You’re thinking Lenny was an assistant on the Dream Team
Title: Re: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on December 04, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I played 14 seasons in the NBA for four different teams
2. I was a 9 time All-Star and All-Star game MVP once
3. I was a part of the original "Dream Team" that demolished opponents by 44 ppg
4. I'm a hall of famer as a player and a coach

Kam would the following be true?

5. I did not play on the Dream Team.

6. I last pro-coached the Knicks?

BINGO
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:28:25 PM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I was born in New Jersey and played 10 Seasons in the NBA for 3 Team with career per game averages of 17 pt 4 reb 3 ast.
2. I once was the career points leader for my final franchise but lost that designation in my final season.
3. I was drafted in the first round #12 by the Detroit Pistons
4. I was a two-time All-Star, even making the game in my Rookie campaign.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:43:31 PM















5. I was a 4-year Starter at Notre Dame
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:46:08 PM










6.  I never won a championship, but i was traded for the guy who was traded for the guy who helped the Pistons finally win.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 01:50:13 PM









7.  After retiring from the Hornets as their #2 scorer all time I did TV color commentary for Detroit, New Jersey, and New York
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 06, 2018, 01:53:45 PM
That's Kelly Tripucka.  Got it with a combination of New Jersey and picked #12 by Detroit. 
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 05:06:30 PM
That's Kelly Tripucka.  Got it with a combination of New Jersey and picked #12 by Detroit.

Correct!

After two frustrating seasons with the Jazz, he was traded to the Charlotte Hornets (a new expansion team at the time) for Mike Brown. In his first season with the Hornets, he returned to his All-Star form, leading the Hornets with 22.6 points per game.

In a game between the Hornets and the Jazz in 1989, shortly after Layden resigned as the Jazz's coach, Karl Malone expressed his devotion to Layden by writing "FRANK" on the heels of his sneakers. In a mock gesture, Tripucka responded by writing "DICK" on the back of his shoes (for then-Hornets coach Dick Harter).

The move was seen as a jab at Layden and Malone, who Tripucka felt ran him out of Utah. In Tripucka's second season with the Hornets, he averaged 15.6 points per game, but the team struggled, finishing one game behind their inaugural season's record. The 1990–91 season, Tripucka's third with the Hornets and tenth overall, saw him average career lows with only 7 points, 2.3 rebounds and 2.1 assists per game, as he came off the bench. Following the season, Tripucka retired from the NBA.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 05:20:50 PM
I was worried the New Jersey and Notre Dame clues would give it away.  Kudos to Yankguy.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2018, 05:27:04 PM
Despite only 5 seasons with the team (the last three included playoffs), Tripucka was voted among the "50 Greatest Pistons" in 2008

Tripucka is one of 6 Pistons to score 40 in a playoff game.  The other 5 are:

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 08, 2018, 02:29:31 AM
With Embiid out (rest) Drummond didn't do much 4Q, guarded by
Muscala and sometimes Wil.  One time Drum had Butler posted up and DET didn't get him the ball. 

Muscala played great.  Guarded Drummond well.  Snuffed out drives -- 3 blocks and forced kickouts often.  And he was bombing in 3's when DRummond didn't want to go out so far.  Plus on a Jose botch to end the 3Q.

Stanjohn was out (knee -- maybe why he couldn't hit a shot last game), making it easier for Butler.  So kind of an odd game.  Blake had 24 FT's.  Amir fouled out in just 16 mins.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 11, 2018, 07:22:51 AM
Jamal Crawford hit a game winner for Phoenix last month, his tenth career winner in the last 10 secs of a game. Five active players, all headed to Springfield, have hit more. I'll be shocked if anyone can name all five without getting one wrong, despite that hint.

xxx 19
xxx 15
xxx 14
xxx 11
xxx  11
J Crossover 10
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2018, 10:42:32 AM
Jamal Crawford hit a game winner for Phoenix last month, his tenth career winner in the last 10 secs of a game. Five active players, all headed to Springfield, have hit more. I'll be shocked if anyone can name all five without getting one wrong, despite that hint.

xxx 19
xxx 15
xxx 14
xxx 11
xxx  11
J Crossover 10

lets go with

LeBron
KD
Harden
P. Gasol
Blake Griffin

Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 11, 2018, 12:32:21 PM
I'd go with:
LeBJ
Wade
Melo
Dirk
Vince

well, we agreed on one ...
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 12, 2018, 05:38:27 AM
Where's our answer?

I guess I can try to look it up.

Okay i'll rank 'em while I wait:

Wade 19
Melo  15
Vince   14
LeBJ  11
Dirk 11
J Crossover 10

Ranking is somewhat tough.
Maybe flip Vince and Dirk(?)
Remember Vince was the go to guy on TOR & NJN.
And LeBJ low on the list as he used to be criticized for passing up last second shots.  He deferred to his passing gene, and in MIA, he shared those with Wade.

Melo (and Pierce) were the clutch gusy of their generation, and Melo was always the Guy to take end game shots his whole career (until OKC).

I went with the Old Guard, Bank with the younger crowd.
KD had to share last second shots with Westbrook and now Scurry/Klay.  And KD used to botch a lot of endgame situations in OKC.
harden sure gets ops and is probably getting close, though he seems to score a lot the last 3 to 5 mins, but his buzzer beaters seem to usually be off.  At least in my mind.

Blake had to share with CP3 (who is a pretty good guess himself).  While I wouldn't have thought of Pa Gasol at all.  Means you have to think of his MEMf days.  Kobe would have hogged all the LAL shots, except maybe for a rebound tip-in.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on December 12, 2018, 11:08:57 AM
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...Bank with the younger crowd...

I wagged it, off the top my Spalding, took about a minute. Almost went with Melo, as he's a chucker, but passed, something he rarely did. 

Dirk and Wade are probably on it. I like your list better.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 12, 2018, 12:07:39 PM
Article on players/agents/contracts in the CBA (China Basketball Ass.)
https://hoopshype.com/2018/12/10/chinese-basketball-free-agents-negotiations-pierre-aaron-jackson/

Towards the end talks about how contracts in China have become more partially or non-guaranteed.  And how quickly teams bail on a US player not putting up BIG #'s.

This caught my eye:
Quote
A contract in China is 50-pages long because it’s written in both Chinese and English. We have a clause that says the English portion of the contract supersedes the Chinese portion. That way if there’s ever a dispute, the English portion is what prevails.”

Beyer said that some clubs insist that the Chinese portion supersedes the English section. Oftentimes, he says, this is because they’ve had a bad experience with a sleazy agent who changed terms in the English portion and proceeded to screw them over. However, most teams and agents are professional and just want to ensure everyone’s on the same page regarding the contract’s terms.

Well, under Chinese law every contract in China must be in Chinese and the Chinese version is always controlling over any translation.  Even if the contract specifies otherwise.  So such a clause would be unenforceable in China where the team and its money resides.
The English-controlling clause would be valid in US courts, but it would likely be hard to recoup money that way.  Though could help to negotiate a settlement.

They change the game rules for foreigners in China a lot, so I'm not even up on what the limits are.  The article says now it's only two foreigners allowed per team (a few years ago was 3), and they can play in a combined 6 quarters.  But I think it's not that 1 foreigner can play in the 4Q as the article states, but rather one at a time.  Which is maybe what they meant.  Or maybe you have to choose which of your 2 foreigners is your 4Q player.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 11:53:54 AM
Jamal Crawford hit a game winner for Phoenix last month, his tenth career winner in the last 10 secs of a game. Five active players, all headed to Springfield, have hit more. I'll be shocked if anyone can name all five without getting one wrong, despite that hint.

xxx 19
xxx 15
xxx 14
xxx 11
xxx  11
J Crossover 10

lets go with

LeBron
KD
Harden
P. Gasol
Blake Griffin

Amazingly, these are all wrong. Some were good guesses, but none correct.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 11:55:12 AM
Where's our answer?

I guess I can try to look it up.

Okay i'll rank 'em while I wait:

Wade 19
Melo  15
Vince   14
LeBJ  11
Dirk 11
J Crossover 10


Four of five correct (and Lebron, I've already revealed, is the wrong answer). Somehow none in the right rank, however.

Care to take one last guess at the last pick? Hint: he has played with two of those on Bank's list.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 13, 2018, 12:22:02 PM
Russbrook?
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 12:27:51 PM
Russbrook?

Good guess! Incorrect!

Melo 19
Vince 15
Dirk 14
Wade 11
xxx 11
J Crossover 10
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 13, 2018, 01:05:00 PM
Chris Paulo
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 13, 2018, 01:50:20 PM
Well, I mentioned Chris Paul with regard to Blake above.

So I got 2 of the 3 with more than 11.
I just had Wade way too high.

Not surprised Melo led the way.  He was great in the crunch for DEN, and must have had a few for the Knicks as well (my memory works better for general patterns than specifics these days).

Paul over Westbrook -- these are career based, so the greybeards have the advantage of longevity.  Plus Rustbrook had to share with Durant.  Westbrook also seems like the guy who ties the game to send it to overtime, more than the game winner type . . .
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 13, 2018, 05:00:51 PM
Yeah, both Melo and Vince are under-appreciated by the analytics types who can't measure how hard it is to conjure game winning shots in those situations, when percentages tend to tumble.

Thad Young recently said how much he hates getting the ball at the end of shot clocks, because he knows he can't make something happen. It's hard. Those are low percentage shots. There's a lot of value people don't get in a guy who can change a 20% opportunity into a 40% opportunity.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 21, 2018, 07:49:04 AM
Strange DAL-LAC game.
CLips were ahead a little going into the 4Q.
Career high 32 for Doncic.
But he was on the bench when DAL took the lead early-mid 4Q, going with a Mejri/Kleber twin tower look.  Mej with 3 assists in 9 mins.  Barea running P'nR's.  Both Bigs crashing the boards.

Then Doncic and the starters come back and DAL blows the lead.
Doncic horribly clanks a step back 3, had another bad shot and a turnover during the Clips comeback.  But these didn't hurt that much as DeAndretheGiant got the O-rebound on both Doncic misses.

Then in the final 1'30" with DAL down 6 or so, Doncic hits a stepback 3 and gets a horrible Clip pass into traffic and goes end to end with Avery Bradley hounding him (and fouling him on the wrist on the layup, which the refs didn't see/call).  Doncic complained, rightly so.
Doncic's heroics were just a bit too late.

As I keep saying, there's a good deal of slop in his game, and he's erratic, but he does seem to pull it together in crunch time (this one was miss then hit).  Still an unquestionably talented player.  Fun to watch.  Got 13 FT's in this game.

Gallo played well (32 Pts) and hit a Big straight-on 3.
Montrezl was a beast.
LouWill another hero for LAC.

Fun game.  a 39-36 4Q.  (I didn't see too much else). Both teams were more scrappy than good.  But they both battled hard.
Title: Who am I?
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 02:23:16 AM
A series of statements will be presented about a mystery player.  Try to answer in as few clues as possible.

0-1 Clues: You are an NBA Savant
2-4 Clues: Experts consider you an expert
5-7 Clues: You know more about the NBA than the other 99%


Here are your first four clues

1. I was drafted by the Dallas Mavericks
2. I attended High School on Long Island
3. I played in a NCAA Final Four
4. I'm an NBA Champion
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 02:24:28 AM
Extra Clues:











Here they come:






5.  I'm an Italian league Champion  (1993)




(Fun fact:  I won the Italian championship prior to winning in the NBA )
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 02:26:42 AM
More clues:








6. I played in the 1984 Olympics
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 05:04:05 PM

6. I played in the 1984 Olympics

7.  After graduating from St. Johns under Lou Carneseca
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 05:04:43 PM
8.  I played for Canada
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 15, 2019, 05:31:38 PM
That's Bill Wennington.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on January 15, 2019, 06:41:41 PM
That's Bill Wennington.

Dollar Dollar Bill Y'all!

Correct.
Title: Re: NBA
Post by: lesterdog on February 02, 2019, 09:01:26 AM


As I keep saying, there's a good deal of slop in his game, and he's erratic, but he does seem to pull it together in crunch time (this one was miss then hit).  Still an unquestionably talented player.  Fun to watch.  Got 13 FT's in this game.



Guy clanks bunches of easy ones and aces the hardest shots you'll ever see. The strangest thing. Seems like it should be fixable through some kind of therapy. Very much looking forward to seeing him work with KP.