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Title: NBA
Post by: Admin on April 15, 2007, 09:35:41 PM
Who will go to the championship this season?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 12:40:58 PM
Count me as one Celtic fan that thinks they are severing ties with Telfair prematurely. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: rembee on April 25, 2007, 01:16:47 PM
Hey Liquid, stop by the Knicks board which unlike this one isn't a ghost town.  Always looking for a new perspective, and we were talking Telfair yesterday. 

I think you have to respect the Celtics for sticking by their principles, though its true they may not have all the facts in the case just yet.  That said, I wouldn't mind if the Knicks were considering ways to pair him with his cousin in our backcourt.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2007, 02:13:40 PM
Carlisle is gone from INDY!


Title: Miami
Post by: Kam on April 27, 2007, 10:47:49 PM
Miami is toast.  Bye Bye Wade. Sayanora Shaquille.


Title: How about those Warriors?
Post by: Kam on April 27, 2007, 11:46:41 PM
This is fun to watch!


Title: Ron
Post by: Zupey on April 30, 2007, 08:54:45 AM
I have similar feeling re artest as I did with Spree. There is something I realy like about redemption (and I'm not a christ follower...) and I think this was ment to be from day one. Spree was transformed in NYC. So will Ronron. BTW- my first post after leaving the NYT.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 09, 2007, 05:58:21 AM
I would take Corey Brewer over the other Gators.  But, what surprises me most is how there are over 300 posts on the pathetic Knicks and only 6 in regard to the NBA playoffs.  I would have thought Golden State giving the Mavericks the boot would have elicited some comments?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: solrac on May 09, 2007, 11:42:20 AM
Still learning how to post on this site.  I think this site is a cross-over from the NYT forum.  The Knicks are gonna be the favorites, even though not in the playings.  The most excitement is going on out west (IMHO opinion).  Yea, the Warriors and Jazz is gonna be a battle.  I live in Utah so I've become a real Jazz fan.  Nellie is really good at the Sandbagging, seems I remember Golden State beating the Jazz when Malone and Stockton were startin out!  May have had Nellie as the coach.


I also love that Suns-Spurs battle going on in the southwest, your gotta love a player like Nash, bloody nose and all.  Ha-I remember playing a CYO game as a teenager when I had my nose smacked like that, it was painful and makes one hell of a mess.  Have you noticed when the game is on the line the good ones crank it up a notch and take-over.  Nash did last night as did Lebron against NJ.  I saw none of that with Dirk Nowinski-I like Dirk but where was he against Golden State. 

Hey SGROBIN good thing you're just a casual Sixers fan LOL!!


Title: Should be a busy off-season for Mark Cuban and the Mavs
Post by: Kam on May 09, 2007, 03:49:15 PM
(http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/cuban1105.jpg)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 10, 2007, 12:00:24 AM
GS is a tease.  They signed Derek Fisher to that crazy deal then traded Derek Fisher only to watch him help tear them down.

UTAH in the WCF again?  WOW.


Title: Dawg
Post by: chipstern on May 10, 2007, 12:38:12 AM
Chuckle. 

Kirilenko's death widely exaggerated. 

Deron Williams is a MAN. 

Milsap! 

Boozer appears to have recovered from his bad Hammy. 

Utah just wearing them down. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 10, 2007, 02:38:49 AM
I like the Mavs but can't stand Cuban.  It seemed that GS simply had Dallas' number, frustrating Nowitzki and co. to no end.  I do think that Avery overcoaches as someone noted in the Knicks forum.  He's got these guys wound up tighter than a drum and they seem to implode in crucial situations.  Nowitzki showed that he could come through in the clutch in game five but was a no show in game six, so I don't really know what his problem is, other than he can't handle the level of expectations placed on him.  Maybe Cuban needs to invest in another go-to player to relieve some of the pressure placed on him.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 11, 2007, 06:34:09 AM
Hey no problem, post here about the playoffs, and others will join in.
It's just that the NBA forum has been a void, so the Knicks regulars have been chatting playoffs in Knicksforumland.
I think most would prefer to keep the Knicks forum mostly Knick related and have most of the general NBA chatter over here.

I do think Utah has been underrated all year.  A good solid team.  And with some nice youth.  Obviously Deron is a serious baller, but CJMiles, Brewer, and Millsap (a 2nd round pick) could have nice futures (and/or could be good trade chips).

Rockets have been overrated because they have 2 big names.  TMac played well in theplayoffs, but really needs to improve his shot selection.  A guy with his ability and he shot something like 43% for the year.  Rockets have many holes, especially PG and PF.

I'm still calling it as Suns v. Detroit, my pre-season pick.  Bulls blew it by losing their last game and missing out on the higher seeding.  No way can they beat Miami-Detroit-Cavs-Western foe.  Extremely tough road.  Look at the cakewalk the Cavs are getting.  Anyway, pretty good playoffs so far.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: steve_hamilton on May 13, 2007, 03:41:05 AM
Still learning how to post on this site.  I think this site is a cross-over from the NYT forum.  The Knicks are gonna be the favorites, even though not in the playings.  The most excitement is going on out west (IMHO opinion).  Yea, the Warriors and Jazz is gonna be a battle.  I live in Utah so I've become a real Jazz fan.  Nellie is really good at the Sandbagging, seems I remember Golden State beating the Jazz when Malone and Stockton were startin out!  May have had Nellie as the coach.


I also love that Suns-Spurs battle going on in the southwest, your gotta love a player like Nash, bloody nose and all.  Ha-I remember playing a CYO game as a teenager when I had my nose smacked like that, it was painful and makes one hell of a mess.  Have you noticed when the game is on the line the good ones crank it up a notch and take-over.  Nash did last night as did Lebron against NJ.  I saw none of that with Dirk Nowinski-I like Dirk but where was he against Golden State. 

Hey SGROBIN good thing you're just a casual Sixers fan LOL!!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: steve_hamilton on May 13, 2007, 03:47:06 AM
Still learning how to post on this site.  I think this site is a cross-over from the NYT forum.  The Knicks are gonna be the favorites, even though not in the playings.  The most excitement is going on out west (IMHO opinion).  Yea, the Warriors and Jazz is gonna be a battle.  I live in Utah so I've become a real Jazz fan.  Nellie is really good at the Sandbagging, seems I remember Golden State beating the Jazz when Malone and Stockton were startin out!  May have had Nellie as the coach.




I also love that Suns-Spurs battle going on in the southwest, your gotta love a player like Nash, bloody nose and all.  Ha-I remember playing a CYO game as a teenager when I had my nose smacked like that, it was painful and makes one hell of a mess.  Have you noticed when the game is on the line the good ones crank it up a notch and take-over.  Nash did last night as did Lebron against NJ.  I saw none of that with Dirk Nowinski-I like Dirk but where was he against Golden State. 

I watch the Spurs playing, admitting they are very, very good.  What bothers me is the the calls so often favor them whether Denver (my team), or now the Suns.  Why does Ginobli get 2 or 3 steps per dribble?  How do the Spurs consistently plug the lane making a lay up impossible, and never get called for the fouls they commit?  If the calls were fair, they probably would still win - but this is such a slanted field it's frustrating to watch.


Hey SGROBIN good thing you're just a casual Sixers fan LOL!!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: ghg22 on May 16, 2007, 11:48:33 AM
This is major bullsh*t. Rules/laws are established to protect the victims. In the Suns/Spurs case, the victim is the one who got punished!!!

Stu Jackson: "It’s not a matter of fairness, it’s a matter of correctness."

What a dimwitted statement. Jackson is an imbecile.

Note: I'm not a Suns fan, but I'm certainly rooting for the Suns now.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: ghg22 on May 16, 2007, 11:52:23 AM
Does anybody know what address I should use to write to the NBA?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 16, 2007, 12:33:50 PM
Yeah, who wants Stu Jackson fucking up an otherwise perfectly good series with unnecessary suspensions?

League office is in New York.

Which is worse anyway: having a fight or having players suspended for the next game for heading over towards a pushing match?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 16, 2007, 01:04:54 PM
NBA is just producing more publicity for the series.  Win-Win for them.  Doubt anyone wants to boycott game 5.  In fact, more eyes will probably be glued to the set to root on the underdog SUNS.  Personally,  i have no problem with the suspensions.  No fan of the Knicks should since the NBA took away half our roster vs. the Heat the year we were poised to have our best team ever and take on Jordan's Bulls with homecourt.  Alas, it never came to be.  Lesson learned: Don't act the fool.  Champs have to show more poise than Staudamire did.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: lesterdog on May 16, 2007, 04:46:12 PM
Does anybody know what address I should use to write to the NBA?

http://www.nba.com/email_us/


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: jbottle on May 16, 2007, 05:22:24 PM
The Suns got jobbed--David Stern looks like a dork on this one.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 16, 2007, 05:31:37 PM
The Suns got jobbed--David Stern looks like a dork on this one.

Stu Jackson handed down the decision.  The SUNS were mentally weak.  But i am rooting for them to overcome Amare's boorishness.  You can't control Robert Horry taking out your best player, but you can control your reaction.  How come no one but Diaw and Amare (foolish youth) ran to the scene?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 16, 2007, 06:05:49 PM
By the way, I think Steve Nash is to blame for his own team being in this predicament. He flopped a little on his fall. I'm not saying he wasn't going to fall down, i'm just saying he reacted like it was a bigger hit than it was.  Fooled his own guys.  As he fell and hit the ground, you can see him lean back and throw his arms above his head and behind him.  Acting was not necessary there. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 17, 2007, 01:23:07 AM
Spurs take game 5 after trailing for 3 and a half quarters.  3-2 Texas, but Amare will be out for blood tomorrow night.  Should be fun.


Title: Flip flop fly
Post by: Dzimas on May 17, 2007, 01:42:54 AM
I saw that Stern chose not to travel to Phoenix.  I never heard of flopping into the scorer's table, but that is the way Horry would like to describe it.  Game Five should have an asterix by it.  I hope the Suns rebound for Game Six, putting all this crap behind them. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: lesterdog on May 17, 2007, 09:51:47 AM
Here's Simmons on the incident and the current NBA. Funny as hell and true:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070516&sportCat=nba


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 17, 2007, 09:59:32 AM
Yup, Simmons pretty much sums it up.  What can you expect from a thick-headed commissioner and his assistant. If the Suns lose this series, I imagine they will hang effigies of Stern and Jackson, but something tells me the Suns aren't done yet, even if they coughed up a fourth quarter lead in Game Five.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 10:40:56 AM
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It's also the reason why we haven't had a bench-clearing brawl since the rule was invented.

Here's the problem with that stupid, idiotic, foolish, moronic, brainless, unintelligent, foolhardy, imprudent, thoughtless, obtuse and thickheaded rule: It's currently designed as a black-or-white law that leaves no room for interpretation.
I think Simmons, and others, miss the connection between the two.  The "Don't leave the bench" rule is a prohpylactic rule, not a penal one.  It isn't designed to punish people for leaving the bench, it is designed to prevent people from leaving the bench.  To argue that it is foolish one sentence after acknowledging that it has accomplished its purpose is to show a basic failure to understand the rule.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 17, 2007, 02:56:29 PM
Simmons went onto say that you can't interpret rules as black or white, which is the case with the bench rule.  The aggressor gets away with losing a journeyman, and Phoenix lost two of its starters for one game.  Neither actually joined in the fight.  Kerr in another column noted that earlier in the same game Duncan and Bowen both moved beyond the safe when a similar incident occurred, but went unpunished,

In a play that went entirely unnoticed until well after the game was over, both Duncan and Bowen actually left San Antonio's bench early in the second quarter after Francisco Elson and James Jones were entangled. Replays clearly show Duncan walking several steps onto the court as Elson and Jones appeared to be ready to get into it. Bowen then followed Duncan onto the floor, grabbed him and led him back to the bench. If the league does indeed follow the letter of the law, both Spurs players would also be suspended for Game 5.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgPhoXS0Hk6uRhfmZNEXYWO8vLYF?slug=sk-sunsspurs051507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

So it goes.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: jbottle on May 17, 2007, 10:20:19 PM
As far as "flop," Nash knew that his head was getting ready to hit the edge of the scorer's table, so in trying to put his arm in the way of his head, I can't really blame the guy for exaggerating once he hit the floor, a little, but for Horry to say he meant to take a charge, well, that's just bullshit.  I would've said the same thing, but still, it was an uncalled for shot and he should've gotten punched in the face for it, that's why guys came off the bench, because you put down the "all-star" who pads our stats with unbelievable passing, you are going to get popped, period.

Whatever the NBA is to make of it is immaterial, you don't stand on top of an imaginary line when a 6-6 240 guy hammers your 6-2 190 guy, that would make you a pussy, and I'd rather play golf in Phoenix a man than be a pussy who stands over an imaginary line with Bobby Cheap Shot staring at my boy on the floor.  There is no way that the alternative is imaginable at all--so if it's bad for the NBA so be it, but fuck all that and whatever happened after that...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 18, 2007, 12:31:09 AM
The protective urge is pretty strong, especially when your teammate goes down like that.  It is just too bad that a guy like Horry who has had such a great career will be remembered from here on out as Cheap Shot Bob, and that the Spurs, hitherto known for their professionalism, will be remembered for the foul way in which they played the Suns.  Makes me think of Woody Hayes and the forearm he delivered to a Clemson player when the Buckeyes fate was sealed.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 18, 2007, 03:55:13 PM
Sam Mitchell reportedly re-upped with Raps.

JVG out.
Adelman reportedly in.

I like JVG and certainly the Rockets had a lot of injuries both last year and this year.
Utah had a better starting 5 and a better team.
JVG usually doesn't like young players, but he did develop Head and Chuck Hayes (though Spanoulis and Novak barely played).
Maybe Battier could have been used more in the offense, and I miss the early days of Yao when he would pass.  But Yao improved every year under VanG, especially this year where he stopped trying to take charges and would face and shoot more often.
Rockets D was solid every year, and it's not exactly JVG's fault if Rafer is their starting point.

With that said, Adelman should be a good choice.
Solid coach who will open up the offense more.  Something liek Flip going to Detroit.
Hopefully with better offensive sets, TMac will improve his shot selection.
Still the Rockets need to add a starter at the PG (and PF).



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 18, 2007, 04:20:03 PM
Chad Ford calling Yi JianLian the 3rd best prospect in the upcoming draft.
Would appreciate the full article if anyone is an Insider.

Yi has talent, but I'm expecting a rough transition for him.
He doesn't have Yao's poise or personality.
Disappears for long stretches and gets discouraged.
Weak upper body and gets pushed around by NBDL-level Americans in the Chinese league.  He's a 7 footer in the Tim Thomas mold.
That is a tall mobile SF, aka a tweener prospect.

He would do best on an open court team like the Suns.
He has a good turnaround J from 12 feet and face up range out to 16 or so.
But I doubt he'll get the space to use it like he can in China.
I'm not exactly calling him a bust, but I think he'll be a player who will be better on his second contract.  Especially if he can bulk up and man the PF position 4 or 5 years down the road.  I don't think he'll see much court time his first year.
Maybe he'll surprise me, but Wang ZhiZhi was a better player (or at least Yi's equal) in the CBA last season.

There are questions about Yi's age, as the Chinese used to routinely falsify ages for the youth tournaments.  So he's listed as 20 (if I recall) but thought to be 22.  That could affect his development curve, and any NBA serious about drafting him should try to get accurate records from China.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 18, 2007, 05:00:36 PM
Where will Yi land?
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Yi Jianlian could be the draft's biggest wild card. Projecting how high he'll go will be no easy task.

I spent two days watching Yi work out in Los Angeles and walked away convinced that he's the third-best prospect (see the Top 100), ranking immediately behind Greg Oden and Kevin Durant.

But that doesn't mean he'll go No. 3. In fact, at this point it's not clear at all where he'll land in the lottery, from No. 3 to some spot further down.

For Yi to maximize his potential, he needs to be drafted by a team that's committed to developing him the same way Houston was with Yao Ming.

That's where Yi's agent, Dan Fegan, comes in.

Fegan, who has a long client list in the NBA, including Suns forward Shawn Marion and Warriors guard Jason Richardson, has a rep as a tough negotiator who finds a way to get his clients on the teams they want to play for at top dollar.

His challenge for Yi will be interesting.

Fegan declines to talk about their draft strategy, but several NBA GMs say that he's been coy about individual workouts. He may let some teams come to see Yi in L.A., but he's being careful about who those teams are.

It's for good reason. Fegan has seen how a top international prospect can rise or fall depending on which team drafts him.

Darko Milicic came into the league with much more buzz than Yi, but landed on a loaded, veteran team with a head coach in Larry Brown who was much more interested in breaking him and changing his game than giving him playing time.

Andrea Bargnani of Italy was the first European to be drafted No. 1, and he landed in a very nuturing, Euro-friendly environment in Toronto.

At one point, when Bargnani fell out of the rotation during his rookie year, Toronto GM Bryan Colangelo let it be known publicly and privately that Sam Mitchell was to give him at least 20 minutes a night. Bargnani got the minutes and ended up finishing second in the Rookie of the Year race.

So draft position isn't the real issue for Yi. It's fit.

Of the teams in the lottery, Phoenix makes the most sense from a number of different angles. In Mike D'Antoni, the Suns have a coach who appreciates international players and practices a style of play perfectly suited to Yi's strengths, which are speed and shooting.

The Celtics are another team that could give Yi a long look if they don't win one of the two top positions in the draft. Al Jefferson proved that he could play center in the pros last season. He and Yi would make a formidable pair in the frontcourt.

The Bulls are another team that makes sense. Chicago is a perimeter-oriented team that needs a 4 who can both score in the post and stretch defenses.

A number of teams, including the Warriors and Lakers, have their eyes on Yi. To get him, they'll have to find a way to trade up in the draft -- but given his potential, you can't count them out.



Chad Ford calling Yi JianLian the 3rd best prospect in the upcoming draft.
Would appreciate the full article if anyone is an Insider.

Yi has talent, but I'm expecting a rough transition for him.
He doesn't have Yao's poise or personality.
Disappears for long stretches and gets discouraged.
Weak upper body and gets pushed around by NBDL-level Americans in the Chinese league.  He's a 7 footer in the Tim Thomas mold.
That is a tall mobile SF, aka a tweener prospect.

He would do best on an open court team like the Suns.
He has a good turnaround J from 12 feet and face up range out to 16 or so.
But I doubt he'll get the space to use it like he can in China.
I'm not exactly calling him a bust, but I think he'll be a player who will be better on his second contract.  Especially if he can bulk up and man the PF position 4 or 5 years down the road.  I don't think he'll see much court time his first year.
Maybe he'll surprise me, but Wang ZhiZhi was a better player (or at least Yi's equal) in the CBA last season.

There are questions about Yi's age, as the Chinese used to routinely falsify ages for the youth tournaments.  So he's listed as 20 (if I recall) but thought to be 22.  That could affect his development curve, and any NBA serious about drafting him should try to get accurate records from China.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 18, 2007, 11:06:14 PM
Thanks for that, Kam.
So Ford agrees that Yi would fit nicely on the Suns.
And I agree that finding him a good fit is more important (but a bit difficult) rather than going as high as possible.  Yet Ford seems to think Yi is ready to step in as a PF.  I don't.
Think he's an SF for the next 3+ years. 

He has a body like a young Lamar Odom, but not as many moves or as good a handle, yet a better shooter.  Odom had a lot of promise but took years to reach it.  And Yi has the language/culture barrier to overcome.  It'd be interesting if he could land on Houston.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: jbottle on May 19, 2007, 02:15:28 AM
Yeah, I don't think Robert Horry will be remembered for a "hard foul" on Nash in game five of the semis, but yeah, I suppose he could be saddled with it under today's media scrutiny.  That was all playoff ball on Horry's part even, if just to say, in the appropriate (though slightly dangerous) manner of check yourself this is the playoffs...I'm ambivalent about anything but I think that maybe there should be suspensions when "appropriate," end of language...because some LAWYER like David Stern is going to take over and make it NO FUN for ANYBODY, etc., but what I do know is this:

a)  Nash is the best player on the Suns.

b)  Suns players don't have to "look to score" for the trade because all they have to do is play along and "get open."

c)  You have to move to a spot so that Nash can hit you for that jumper otherwise he is a small white guy driving for no reason...

d)  David Stern, if somebody smashed Jordan or any other shoe seller since into the wall, it would've been so fucking wrong, you money whore.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 19, 2007, 03:01:57 AM
The Suns have set once again.  I can't figure them out.  So much talent, but they can't seem to get over the hump.  Remind me of the Barkley-led Suns from before.  Some franchises simply will never win an NBA title.  As for the Spurs, they can gloat once again.  I would love to see Utah knock them off their pedestal, but I imagine they will find a way to get past them.  Should be a good series between Detroit and San Antonio, birds of a feather.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: jbottle on May 19, 2007, 03:57:32 AM
The impressive pass is still only an "assist," especially when you don't score in double figures, but still, the Suns were jerked around by language, but who in the penal system can't say same.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 19, 2007, 05:04:57 AM
I think a team would have to be nuts not to go with Oden as the first pick.  The guy has everything.  Yao Ming has had his moments, but like Gasol, hasn't measured up to expectations. Yi Jianlian is pretty much an unknown quantity. Unfortunatley, the "little guys" in Europe don't stand much of a chance in the NBA, as GS squandered the many talents of Jasikevicius.  Too bad the NBA lured him away from Maccabi Tel Aviv, where he led the team to two Euroleague titles.  I don't imagine he will stick around much longer, seeing as he is spending most of his time on the bench.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 19, 2007, 10:07:12 AM
Of course, Jasik the Vicious gets $4M to go along with his front row NBA seats.
Knicks might want to take a look at him.  We could certainly use a 3-point shooter.
I was real disappointed in the year Spanoulis had in Houston.  Last summer, I thought he could become a starter by mid-season (Rafer being a below-average PG).

I think Yi should go late lottery, say below #10.
But expect he'll go alot higher.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 19, 2007, 10:43:07 AM
The situation with Jasikevicius reminds me a lot of Marciulionis a few years back.  He got to play for a couple seasons and then was relegated to the bench.  Marcilulionis has been bitter ever since.  I'd hate to see the same thing happen to Jaskikevicius, who is a great guy with loads of talent, but doesn't seem to fit into the scheme of things at GS, which seems is going to be split up next year anyway, given  Chris Cohan's tax problems.  Jaskikevicius probably would be better off with the Knicks, or he may just come back to the Euroleague.


Title: Re: NBA Draft
Post by: Kam on May 22, 2007, 01:43:58 PM
I'm pulling for Memphis to win the Lottery and land Oden.
Then trade Gasol to PHX for their pick (from ATL unless its top 3)
And draft Oden's Ohio State teammate, Conley Jr.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 22, 2007, 11:09:20 PM
Oberto falls down alot.
Utah needs to play more intensely on defense.
This is the playoffs, not the reg season.
Also, Utah missing alot of layups and point blank shots.

Utah led the NBA in 2nd half and 4th Q comebacks from 10 down or more.
Then again they probably didn't accomplish much of that against Spurs level teams.

Portland #1
Sonics #2

A real killer for the Griz.  Drop to 4th, while two other Western C teams get studs.
Knicks (BUlls) pick 9th.
Unfortunately we kept our circa 9th pick in weak drafts to get Sweets and Frye.
And traded away the approx. 9th pick in strong drafts when it could have been Amare/Nene or ____________ this year.





Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 23, 2007, 12:24:24 AM
Noah could be there at Nine.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 23, 2007, 12:28:22 AM
Should they just expand the playoffs to 10 teams for the Western Conf,. and six for the East?  The balance of power is staying out West with Durant and Oden joining the likes of T-Mac, Carmelo, Kobe, et al.  I'm going to have to stay up late for years to come.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 23, 2007, 01:55:22 PM
NBA can't be too thrilled that the two big name draftees went to small market teams that may take years to develop.  Not to mention the time zone issues.

For Utah, Boozer had a dominant game, but he lost track of Oberto numerous times, so the Big O (joking) had 14 easy points.  I started just watching Boozer's somewhat shameful defense down low on many plays.

Utah needs Fisher and Okur to start hitting.  And Harpring off screen curls more tahn trying to post.  And I don't understand why AK scores well in the 1st Q, and then hardly gets another shot.  Seems exactly what the Suns did wrong with Marion.  You have to take advantage of smaller players like Finley and Barry who are the weakest defensive links.  Utah also needs to get its bench going.  GG is much to slow to guard Ginobili, but can be out there on Barry, and match him on threes.  Maybe Araujo can negate Oberto.

Game 3 obviously a must-win for Utah.


Title: Sonics
Post by: Dzimas on May 28, 2007, 12:55:10 AM
Landing the number two pick may have kept the Sonics in Seattle, otherwise they may have become the Oklahoma City Sonics.  But, I see Lewis is opting out of his contract.  Of course, if Seattle gets Durant, Lewis will be quickly forgotten. 

Utah and Cleveland both show that they still got game.  I just hope they can even their series.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2007, 11:08:56 PM
WOW-- what a game so far... LeBron puts on his Superman cape to give Detroit everything they can handle.  Too bad FTs are his kryptonite and Chancey Billups has rediscovered how to channel his inner-samcassell elephant balls.

(http://slamonline.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/20060515t122137z_01_nootr_rtrjonp_2_chinat1877561pic0.jpg)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2007, 11:13:28 PM
As i type that - Chauncey misses the three to win the game.  Still its on to OT in the suddenly sizzling EC finals.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2007, 11:31:55 PM
Ladies and Gentlemen... ahem...the hype has borne true... LeBron James has arrived.

He has asserted his dominance ala D'Wade, and allowed the rest of the team to just jump on his back.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2007, 11:38:20 PM
Double-OT.

Chauncey and LeBron both playing like Alpha Dogs.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2007, 11:50:34 PM
LBJ is beyond ridiculous tonight. Unreal.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2007, 11:55:29 PM
Its like he's playing a video game out there.  Unstoppable.  Way past Dwayne Wade terrirory into the Jordan stratosphere now.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 31, 2007, 11:57:37 PM
Billups woulda sent it into 3-OT if Varejeo hadn't gotten a fingertip on that teardrop. Detroit crowd silenced. We are all witnesses.


Title: Lebron
Post by: Dzimas on June 01, 2007, 05:24:53 AM
That was one hell of a game!  I guess the NBA finally has its answer to the next Michael Jordan, provided he delivers back in Cleveland.


Title: Donovan goes to Orlando
Post by: Dzimas on June 01, 2007, 05:37:21 AM
If whiskey is out there, I seethat Donovan took the bait at Orlando.  Great choice for him.  He can keep his family in Gainesville and coach the Magic.  I think Donovan will succeed where other college coaches have failed.  He has that Jeff Van Gundy quality to him that will get results. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 09:08:10 AM
I was thinking of you yesterday, dzimas.  What do you know about Anthony Grant?

Lots of college coaches just don't quite make it in the pros; hard pressed really to come up with the last one that made the jump smoothly.  Still, if the NBA wants to raid the coaching ranks, let them.  Just keep your grubby paws offa Izzo.

We are all witnesses.

Problem with the Cavs is sometimes the other plaers take that too literally.  But last night.... wow.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 01, 2007, 12:28:33 PM
Don't mean to spoil the party, but I thought that was a very close mediocre game.
The refs called a zillion fouls on every little contact, putting a lot of players in foul trouble and perhaps setting the stage for LBJ to take over.  Also, there was a bad call when Rasheed got hit on the arm/wrist on his J, and the ref missed that.  For all of LeBron's heroics (and some questionable shots that went in), he also chucked up an airball on a last possession.

I didn't think it was particularly good basketball, and was ugly officiating, but a tight game.  Does anyone think SA won't roll right over Cleveland?
I think my favorite part of the East series is seeing Gibson and Maxiell step up and have an impact.  What happened to McDyess?  I kept expecting to see him instead of the gimp, Webber.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 12:30:19 PM
McDyess got tossed in the first quarter.


Title: Gators
Post by: Dzimas on June 01, 2007, 12:54:46 PM
Whiskey, is Grant being consider to take Donovan's place?  Last I heard he was coaching at Virginia Commonwealth.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 01, 2007, 01:00:53 PM
Thanks.
I'm having computer problems and so haven't read any articles or the boxscore.
Also, I missed the 1st Q, but did see a replay of a hard Detroit foul.
I assumed that hard foul was the reason the refs were calling every little bump.

Anyway, it seemed like a real grind it out kind of game, with both teams trying to keep it close and finish strong.  Here and there Billups and Rip had flashbacks of past glory, but they weren't a match for LeBron.  Detroit took a lot of long ugly 3's towards the end of the game.  Also, after Prince was tearing it up in the 3rd, the Pistons didn't go back to him until one possession late in the 4th.



Title: Re: Gators
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 01:09:17 PM
Whiskey, is Grant being consider to take Donovan's place?  Last I heard he was coaching at Virginia Commonwealth.
That's what Andy Katz seems to think.  A job at VCU is not the type of job that stops you from going to Fla.


Title: Gators
Post by: Dzimas on June 01, 2007, 01:38:30 PM
Especially given the talent Grant would inherit.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 02, 2007, 11:26:52 PM
You cannot stop Boobie Gibson.  You can only hope to contain him.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 02, 2007, 11:47:47 PM
Congrats to Scot Pollard for finally making the finals.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 03, 2007, 06:11:01 AM
Clearly those teams were evenly matched.  Every quarter was close except for the last one.  Props to the Cavs and Gibson for clinching it.  You knew it was over when Sheed had his meltdown. Detroit was lucky that Cleveland only got 2 points off the 4 FT's.

Detroit just looked uninspired.  Cavs got almost every loose ball.  Last two games, Pistons offense was almost all one-on-ones, yet they didn't exploit Gibson's smurfiness or Marshall's old legs.  They just never passed the ball around to find an open man, or even go back to the same player to get someone off (though they sort of tried this with the Rash One.  Billups hardly shot, Rip shot into the front of the rim constantly (tired legs from last game and guarding LBJ on and off?).  And what happened to Maxiell for Game 6? 

I liked Gibson's confident performance: nailing his 3's and Free Throws.  But couldn't Detroit realize he was hot and keep a man on him, forcing an extra pass  and letting Marshall (who chucked up an airball 3 earlier) or someone else have the open shots?
Anyway, I just wished Cavs had a harder road to get to the top of the East.  Wiz were diminished, Nets too thin, and Cavs didn't look so great getting by those two.  Just shows how big it was for the Bulls to lose that last game and swap playoff seedings with Cleveland. 

Can't say I'm excited about Spurs v. Cavs.  Or the long wait.  Bowen on LeBron?  Varejao and Gooden on Duncan.  We'll see...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 03, 2007, 08:20:48 AM
Bo - The long wait is crazy. But LeBron looks winded and SA is an older squad so its good for them.

ALSO on the Bulls. That last day of the season saw them Lose as you mentioned and lose the CAVS road but also Eddy Curry tipped in that game-winner inthe Knick finale which caused the Knicks not to tie Portland and thus not ose Oden to the Bulls.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 03, 2007, 08:21:42 AM
So things could be worse.

Bulls could have been in the finals and had the #1 pick coming to them.

Tough end of season for Bulls fans.


Title: Cavs-Spurs
Post by: Dzimas on June 04, 2007, 03:33:40 AM
Great end for the Cavs, and nice to see Gibson come through once again in beating the aging Pistons.  Cavs should match up pretty well against the Spurs.  I will be pulling for them, but the Spurs know how to close out a series better than anyone, even if it takes Horry to clear the bench for the other team.  Hopefully, the Cavs won't let themselves be suckered into a similar situation in this series.


Title: Donovan does a turnaround
Post by: Dzimas on June 04, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
Well whiskey, I don't know what happened but it seems Donovan is heading back to Gainesville.  It couldn't be for the money, as I doubt Foley will be able to match that offer.  It seems that Donovan figured his long term prospects were better in Gainesville than in Orlando, and now Van Gundy will be left with the task of bringing the magic back to Orlando.  Hard to believe this was a team that once threatened to establish a Chicago-like legacy before everything fell apart in the 1995 NBA Finals.


Title: Raising the dead
Post by: Dzimas on June 07, 2007, 09:43:23 AM
If LeBron's heroic effort in Game Five is supposed to finally lift the albatross from around Craig Ehlo's neck,

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvS1t5wZt9t.3jZaY1sF9MI5nYcB?slug=aw-cavaliers060607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

then why has it become the focus of sports columnists again?  I had completely forgotten about the Cavs-Bulls series back in '89.


Title: Re: Raising the dead
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 08:47:13 AM
If LeBron's heroic effort in Game Five is supposed to finally lift the albatross from around Craig Ehlo's neck,

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvS1t5wZt9t.3jZaY1sF9MI5nYcB?slug=aw-cavaliers060607&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

then why has it become the focus of sports columnists again?  I had completely forgotten about the Cavs-Bulls series back in '89.
I haven't.  No one here has.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on June 10, 2007, 01:52:22 PM
Here, as in Cleveland or as in Ohio?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 10, 2007, 05:12:43 PM
Here, as in Cleveland or as in Ohio?
Cleveland.  There are those of us who still see it in our sleep.  Jordan's jumper, Mike Davis's interception, Jose Useless Pile of Horse Excrement Mesa's triple shake off, Byner's fumble, the whole freaking drive....


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 11, 2007, 12:42:08 AM
Well... at least the next three are in ohio.

Don't like that format.  Punishes the higher seed.  Now the Spurs gotta lose a few just to clinch at home in 6.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: nagel100 on June 13, 2007, 10:29:29 AM
not exactly sure how this forum works yet.  Kam. who did we lose from the times forum and is there another spot our guys landed?

anyway first rule is not to trade for anyone who is CLEARLY!!! not an upgrade.


Rashard is my number one pick with a Crawford/ Nate/Frye/Rose  package a possibility for Lewis and Watson.

This will take some time to get into after being gone for so long.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 14, 2007, 11:49:49 PM
Who will go to the championship this season?

The Spurs?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 14, 2007, 11:52:31 PM
I'm sorry... you're not a dynasty when you've never even defended your crown (99,03,05,07) and when a legit dynasty (00,01,02) actually took place within your supposed dynasty.

now if they win it all again next year, i will concede that 3 out of 4 (05,07,08) is a semi-dynasty.  you've got to be at least in the finals consecutive years and the Spurs didn't do a thing last year to show that they are a dynasty.  Derek Fisher notwithstanding.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: fersanti on June 15, 2007, 09:34:36 AM
Thought I'd stop by to see just to be the token San Antonio Spurs fan around, just as it was in the NYT.
Anyway, very happy to have another championship, and, of course, at the great clutch play from my guys from Argentina. Manu had about 13 pts in the 4Q and Oberto I think about 4 and several gutsy plays down the stretch.

1. MVP for TP is totally horse manure. He is a good player, and will be even better but has still to show up for crunch time. However bad his offense was in games 3&4, Duncan is San Antonio's MVP for his superlative D.
2. My friend GHG will not like it, but he should give credit to LeBruce Bowen for containing LBJ.
3. Dynasty? Well, maybe not yet. But maybe next year we'll repeat. We know we are seen as boring by most, but the Spurs team play is just superb. And next year the big three will be back.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: liquidsilver on June 21, 2007, 12:40:52 PM
Count me as one Celtic fan that fully expects if they trade for Garnett to bite them in the ass. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 21, 2007, 12:44:11 PM
Count me as one Celtic fan that fully expects if they trade for Garnett to bite them in the ass. 
Why would Garnett want to go from Minnesota to Boston?  If he forces a trade from Minnesota, he's going to want to go to a situation where he can actually win, not another endless, frustrating rebuilding job.

What would Boston give for him anyway?  Minnie's going to want a butts in seats player back, and there aren't that many of them out there.  Maybe if they hadn't gotten screwed by David Stern.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 21, 2007, 02:37:39 PM
Minnesota can get an extremely attractive offer from the Celts.

For Salary purposes, Wally Szerbiak 12mil 2yrs left and Theo Ratliff (expiring deal).
Remember that WallyZ is LOVED in minnesota.

Any 2 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

#5 pick
Ryan Gomes .7mil
Al Jefferson 2.5mil
Gerald Green 1.5mil

Any 1 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

Sebastial Telfair (2.5)
Delonte West (1.9)
Rajon Rondo (1.4)

SO...

Celts would have KG and PP and still have 2 young PGs and 2 young Forwards.  Scalabrine/olawakandi at Center.  Theres your 8 man roto.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 22, 2007, 06:26:46 AM
Minnesota can get an extremely attractive offer from the Celts.

For Salary purposes, Wally Szerbiak 12mil 2yrs left and Theo Ratliff (expiring deal).
Remember that WallyZ is LOVED in minnesota.

Any 2 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

#5 pick
Ryan Gomes .7mil
Al Jefferson 2.5mil
Gerald Green 1.5mil

Any 1 of the following: (in order of preference for the Celts)

Sebastial Telfair (2.5)
Delonte West (1.9)
Rajon Rondo (1.4)

SO...

Celts would have KG and PP and still have 2 young PGs and 2 young Forwards.  Scalabrine/olawakandi at Center.  Theres your 8 man roto.
And they would win 30 games.  Maybe.  And not one of those players is going to put a single butt in a single seat.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 22, 2007, 06:42:04 AM
The East is weak.
Put KG in a lineup and they are in the playoffs with a shot at home court.

Also, Boston fans would turn out to see KG every night.

It's be the biggest thing for the Celtics since Dino Radja, or AntWalker's return, or Pierce got stabbed.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 22, 2007, 07:07:53 AM
The East is weak.
Put KG in a lineup and they are in the playoffs with a shot at home court.

Also, Boston fans would turn out to see KG every night.

It's be the biggest thing for the Celtics since Dino Radja, or AntWalker's return, or Pierce got stabbed.
Yeah, but the West is strong; if you transport Boston's players out there, Minnesota will be totally in the shitter, and they are the one trading the superstar.

Also, I assume the reason for any KG trade is that he wants out and wants to win a championship.  Why would he support a trade to Boston?  (And superstars like KG don't get traded to places they don't want to go)  Because of the sheer joy in being able to struggle to make the playoffs in a different city?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 22, 2007, 09:26:42 AM
Whiskey... When you're dealing away your franchise player for the last decade in KG, you don't necessarily need to acquire a SuperStar right away.  You look for three things:  Get younger players (must have talent of course) get draft picks (#5 pick) and get expiring or nearly expiring contracts.  In a year when the Ratliff and WallyZ deals finish up they can sign a guy to further add to the butts in the seats. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 22, 2007, 10:03:28 AM
Whiskey... When you're dealing away your franchise player for the last decade in KG, you don't necessarily need to acquire a SuperStar right away.  You look for three things:  Get younger players (must have talent of course) get draft picks (#5 pick) and get expiring or nearly expiring contracts.  In a year when the Ratliff and WallyZ deals finish up they can sign a guy to further add to the butts in the seats. 
Yeah, well, KG's not going to Boston; the second part of my post is apparently right on the money, at least:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtxA3Hlhs0Rd_v8eMVAHiDo5nYcB?slug=txtimberwolvesgarnett&prov=st&type=lgns (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtxA3Hlhs0Rd_v8eMVAHiDo5nYcB?slug=txtimberwolvesgarnett&prov=st&type=lgns)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 22, 2007, 10:28:53 AM
Well, I don't like the trade in either direction.  Too much risk on both ends.  If Al plateaus or regresses, and the #5 doesn't pan out, then Minny is left with nada for K-f'in-G.
Boston would have to scramble to put a decent team around two stars before they got old.  And don't have a reliable Point.

But, this is what I was responding to:
Quote
And they [Boston] would win 30 games.  Maybe.  And not one of those [Celtic] players is going to put a single butt in a single seat.
That I disagree with.
Not surprisingly KG has other ideas.
Including warm weather.
Kg has been well-paid for his loyalty, but needs to get away from McHale.
(some rumors say that McHale might trade KG and then leave, so the new POBO will be in the clear).


Title: Trade Rumor
Post by: Kam on June 25, 2007, 11:29:08 AM
Suns get Kevin Garnett,
Celtics get Shawn Marion,
Timberwolves get the No. 5 pick,
the Hawks' 2008 unprotected first-round pick, which the Suns hold,
the Suns' two firsts this year (No. 24 and 29)
and the expiring contracts of Kurt Thomas and Theo Ratliff.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 25, 2007, 11:30:53 AM
If that deal happens, the T-Wolves will have picks #5,#7,#24,#29.

They can trade the #5 to the Blazers for Zack Randolph so the Blazers can draft Conley.


Title: The KOBE Video
Post by: Kam on June 28, 2007, 09:25:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0-9osVWLpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0-9osVWLpc)

http://www.thekobevideo.com/ (http://www.thekobevideo.com/)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 28, 2007, 11:12:26 AM
I must say, I have no interest at all in the draft.  When is it, anyway?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 28, 2007, 11:30:17 AM
7:30 tonight. ESPN.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 28, 2007, 11:32:44 AM
Yeah, I know, I was being, well, whatever I was being.  Cavs had two first round choices; traded them both away.  But then, Jiri Welsch was a key component of our playoff stretch run two years ago......

Actually, he was an expiring contract for cap purposes.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 28, 2007, 11:35:49 AM
This is the biggest night of the year for the NBA.  Its bigger than any actual games.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on June 29, 2007, 06:01:48 AM
If ever there was a case for the Sonics staying in Seattle, Kevin Durant is it!  Not only that but the Sonics picked up Landry and Davis too, as well as make a great trade that brought Green and Szczerbiak to the Northwest.  Ray Allen has seen better days.  Better to try to keep Lewis on board, which I think he will after last night.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 29, 2007, 11:26:33 AM
I think the Jason Richardson trade is pretty good for both the Bobcats and Warriors.  The Bobs didn't need another yute, especially not a 19 year old stringbean.  They need a go-to scorer, and JRich will be the better player for the next 3+ years.  Some injury concerns and the salary is high, so not without risk, but a pretty good gamble I'd say.

Resign Wallace and the lineup is:
Felton -- Richardson -- Wallace -- Okafor -- Brezec

2nd Unit:
Brevin Knight -- Matt Carroll --  Adam Morrison -- Sean May  -- Walter Herrmann  -- Melvin Ely

4 quality starters and fairly solid backups.
Almost all with reasonable contracts, so could make a trade to upgrade at the C position.
Not bad at all.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on July 02, 2007, 06:33:40 AM
You have to wonder about a group of owners whose only reason in buying the Sonics was to move the team to the Midwest.  The October 31 deadline for a new stadium won't sit well with Seattlites, who felt bulldozed into new stadiums for the M's and the Hawks.  But, maybe enough excitement will be generated around Durant to keep the Sonics in Seattle?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on July 13, 2007, 06:15:07 AM
Welcome to the big time!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-supersonics-durant&prov=ap&type=lgns



Title: McHale adds another notch to his Celtics legacy
Post by: liquidsilver on July 31, 2007, 03:17:22 PM
When we raised McHale's No. 32 to the rafters, naturally, we assumed his last great Boston moment happened in a '93 playoff series against Charlotte, when McHale reached back in time and tortured the Hornets down low for 35 unfathomable points in Game 2. The Garden was rocking, McHale was moving like the old McHale and everything seemed right with the world again. It was one of those ESPN Classic games that you knew you'd always remember even as it was happening. And if that had been his last great act for the Celtics, I would have been fine with it.

Fast-forward to 2007.


http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/070730


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on July 31, 2007, 10:18:30 PM
McHale, when Glen Taylor finally fires his ass, might have a job with the Celts waiting for him.  After this trade, its the least Ainge could do.


Title: Sonics owner opens mouth, inserts foot
Post by: Kam on August 15, 2007, 03:51:32 PM
http://www.nysun.com/article/60568?page_no=1 (http://www.nysun.com/article/60568?page_no=1)

...one of the owners, Aubrey McClendon, was apparently unaware that a newfangled technology called the Internet allows people to read out-of-town newspapers.

He gave an interview to an Oklahoma City-based business newspaper called the Journal Record: The piece included such self-incriminating gems as, "We didn't buy the team to keep it in Seattle, we hoped to come here"; and, "We know it's a little more difficult financially here in Oklahoma City, but we think it's great for the community and if we could break even we'd be thrilled."

Both quotes are hugely damaging, for different reasons. The former is hurtful because the terms of the Sonics sale to the current group from Starbucks founder Howard Schultz require the new owners to make a good-faith effort to keep the team in Seattle before moving it. By McClendon essentially admitting that the new owners never intended to keep the team in town, he opens the ownership group to legal challenges to an attempted move that could drag on for years.

The second, however, is the one that really stings. McClendon is saying the team will make less money in Oklahoma City but he'd like to move it there anyway? How do you suppose that one will go over in the commissioner's office?

Remember, this is a league that shares most of its revenues, so a team moving into a less profitable situation is an issue for the league's other 29 owners — the same people who have to approve the Sonics' application to relocate. Maybe this just means it will take a bigger buy-off to get approval, but that's still a cost.

Then there's the players association. The league's salary cap is set as a percentage of basketball-related income. This means that the amount of money the Sonics make (or don't make) directly impacts how much money every single player in the league will make as well. The players association is sure to find it interesting if a team isn't working to maximize its income by playing in the most profitable city, as McClendon seems to be admitting.




Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 15, 2007, 07:33:34 PM
McHale, when Glen Taylor finally fires his ass, might have a job with the Celts waiting for him.  After this trade, its the least Ainge could do.

Maybe you can tell us the better deal/avenue that was available to McHale.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on August 15, 2007, 07:55:19 PM
McHale, when Glen Taylor finally fires his ass, might have a job with the Celts waiting for him.  After this trade, its the least Ainge could do.

Maybe you can tell us the better deal/avenue that was available to McHale.


A year ago they could've had some baby Bulls like Deng, Gordon, Duhon, and who knows who else.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: fersanti on August 22, 2007, 08:24:25 PM
Olympic qualifier starting today. This time around, my bet is clearly on team USA gliding easily through. Only Brazil could eventually make a run for their money, but not even Donaghy calling the game would bet on that. Second Olympic post: probably Brazil; Argentina (without most of its elite players: no Nocioni, Ginobili, Oberto nor Pepe Sanchez) will have to really fight and have extremely good performances by Luis Scola (recently signed by the Rockets)and (his former teamate in Spain, PG) Pablo Prigioni; plus, and when that pick and roll combo is contained, the 3.
We'll pray.
Cheers.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: fersanti on September 03, 2007, 05:10:34 PM
   OK, guess you guys did not follow the Olympic Qualyfier.
   The US A-Team gave the Argentina B-Team a sollid whopping yesterday, but we did not care. Our "final" was the semifinal with Brazil which we won by 11 after bein down by 11 during the 3rdQ. Luis Scola proved his mettle one last time before having to do it in the NBA and boy did he do it... With 19.5 points and 7.5 boards per game, he was elected the Championship MVP. For those who dont have him on their radars, let me tell you that Houston will get harder this year with Scola adding to Yao and McGrady.
   Cheers!
   


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on September 03, 2007, 09:41:15 PM
The games came on very late in the East Coast.  And they lacked much drama.  Kobe Bryant looked good in his first International action.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: fersanti on September 04, 2007, 08:36:31 PM
Well, this was the closest thing to resemble the original Barcelona 1992 Dream Team the USA has assembled since. It sure looks like you guys want to get back the throne of the only American sport which is seriously played around the globe. And it'll be very hard to prevent it.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on September 05, 2007, 11:54:31 AM
Well, you're forgetting the 96 Olympic team.
Quote
7     David Robinson C     216     31     1965     San Antonio Spurs, NBA
4    Charles Barkley PF    198    33    1963    Phoenix Suns, NBA
8    Scottie Pippen SF     201    31    1965    Chicago Bulls, NBA
10    Reggie Miller SG     201    31    1965    Indiana Pacers, NBA
14    Gary Payton PG           193    28       1968    Seattle Supersonics, NBA
                 
13    Shaquille O'Neal C    216 24    1972    Orlando Magic, NBA
11    Karl Malone PF             206    33    1963    Utah Jazz, NBA
5    Grant Hill SF                  203   24    1972    Detroit Pistons, NBA
9    Mitch Richmond SG    196    31    1965    Sacramento Kings, NBA
6    Anfernee Hardaway PG    201    25    1971    Orlando Magic, NBA
                 
15    Hakeem Olajuwon C    213    33    1963    Houston Rockets, NBA
12    John Stockton PG    185    32    1964    Utah Jazz, NBA
The team was comprised mostly of experienced vets (31-33 years old), but also had a young Shaq, Penny, and Grant Hill, plus a 28 year old prime Payton.
Look at the centers: Robinson, Olajuwon and Shaq.
And then Malone and Barkley at the PF.
Pippen and Hill at the SF.
Reggie and Mitch Rich shooting guards
Payton, Stock and Penny at the point.

Big difference to this year's dream is the expereince.
Anthony and LBJ and Wade are fantastic players but are pups still learning the game and how to win.  That's why the addition of Kobe and Kidd and Billups is important.  They have experience and mental toughness. 
The other big difference is the beef up front.
Howard, Bosh, Chandler and Amare aren't much of a match for those 96 Bigs.
At least not at this stage of their careers.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 04, 2007, 09:52:54 AM
Saw the end of the Bucks-Bulls game.
The last 2 minutes was some of the sloppiest stuff I've seen since ... well, since the Rockets blew a 12 point lead opening night to the Lakes, but that was one-way sloppiness, this was a mutual affair.

Bucks had no idea how to use a possession or handle the shot clock down the stretch.  They got off terrible shots, which included a pair of 3 point airballs, both launched with about 14 on the shot clock.  Amazingly, a Buck under the basket caught both of them, but then rushed a follow shot which missed.  Bucks really had no idea how to manage the clock or set plays to get off a good shot.  Rookie coach and some young players.
Bulls not much better (and couldn't corral loose end-of-4thQ rebounds).
Lots of bad shots by both teams.

Nocioni schooled Yi on both ends in the few minutes I saw.
Stole the ball and got Yi to foul him on a made breakaway layup.
Then when spotted up in the corner,  Noc's head fake got Yi to over-commit in rotation coverage, allowing Noc to dribble in for a layup.  Which was one of the only FG's made in the last 2-3 minutes.

Still nice to see that Yi was hit a lot of long jumpers.  Mostly just a step or so inside the 3 point line.  Though his one 3 point attempt clanked badly.  But if he's got 20 foot range now, he should be able to hit some threes next year.   Still there's no reason to run pick and pops from the three point line.  Better to get Yi in closer to get open 15-18 footers.
Should be an up and down learning year for Yi, but he's doing allright.

Bucks were my Cinderella pick, but not going to win much looking so shaky down the stretch.
They did scrap for rebounds, which kept the Bulls at bay.
Bulls 0-3.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: srnich on November 09, 2007, 09:15:29 AM
Stern can stuff his all star game.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/1107allstar-ON.html



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: fersanti on November 12, 2007, 07:02:02 PM
   Hey, Bo, guess somebody is interested in basketball after all. Havent had a chance to see a game this season, yet. We are getting one on Tuesdays and another on Sundays, but still no Spurs (nor Bulls, Raptors, Rockets either, so no Argentines playing.)
   For what I've been reading, the Spurs look strong again. Houston will be a real test for anyone if they remain healthy, and Luis Scola will prove a great addition once he improves as the season develops.
   Hows the Celtic experiment going?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 12, 2007, 10:12:57 PM
I think they've stepped up the number of games being shown in China slightly.  probably largely due to Yi.  But actually the % of Rockets (and now Bucks) games seems lower than before. 

Seems a lot of sloppy, ragged play from what I'm seeing.  Watching Denver v. Cleveland now, and Denver had at least 4 turnovers on fast break passes.  Just bad passes, mostly whipped too high or fast.

Something to keep an eye on: Iverson seems as quick and slick-handling as ever, but I'm noticing that at the end of his moves his shots are coming up short.  Could just be early season rust/conditioning, or a poor spell, but sure looks like his energy is spent on the move, with not much left for the shot.

For the Cavs, Hughes doesn't get much done out there.  LBJ falling back on fall-away J's (often just inside or on the 3-point line).  He's doing teams a favor when he takes those long off-balance shots.

As for the Rockets, Tmac also still taking many tough, long off-balance shots.
Scola doesn't look comfortable yet.  I haven't been impressed with their new offense yet, but maybe just because they're not running it well yet.  Yao is looking good.  And Mike James and Bonzi are tough players on the 2nd unit.
Good that Houston is winning while not playing great.  I just don't think they have the experience and cohesion to do too much damage in the playoffs.

Good luck getting some games.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 15, 2007, 05:27:25 AM
Sean Williams with 14, 7, and 4 blocks in 29 minutes.
Didn't see the game, but he looked plenty feisty against KG and teh Celts a few days ago.  So guess Frank went back to him.
Krstic and Collins only totaled 22 minutes between them, without foul trouble.

Saw Lakes knock off Rocks.
McGrady went out early after dinging his elbow.
Kwame is probably the best one-on-Yao defender I've seen.
Leans on him hard, doesn't let him set up, challenges his turnaround jumpers.
The guy's got a specialty.

Bonzi played hard for Houston. 
Finished with 21 & 10 (2/2/3/2) (a/s/b/to).
Took it to the basket strong against all comers (mostly Odom, Luke, some over-matched Radman, and even Tauriaf).
Bonzai missed a few contested layups and some late FT's, but got to the line 12 times. 

Also D-ed up on Odom and just wasn't letting Odom post him up.
Bonzi credited with 2 steals, but knocked the ball out of Odom's hands 2 or 3 more times (one Odom had to dive on the floor to recover, another Bonzi stole but stepped out hauling it in).  Really showed some good quick hands.  Bonzi also covered Luke and even Tauriaf solidly as well.  Quite a contrast when Mike James came in for Bonzi early/mid-4th and the Lakes (Mo Evans, Luke) went right at him.

Bonzi often stayed behind to try to swipe a defensive rebound out of Bynum (9 boards) or others hands, effectively stymieing any break.  And Bonzi was impressive slamming young Bynum to the baseline on Yao's late free throw attempts.  Unfortunately Yao was off, doing 1-of-2's, while Bonzi missed 3 late FT's.  And that was the game. 

And yes, I'm a big (unapologetic) Bonzi fan.

Down by 2, Rockets missed three 3-pointers on their next to last possession.  After Bynum nicely swished 2 FT's, Yao got fouled, and made the first.  Down by 3 with 1 second left, Yao did a nifty clang off the front rim, straight back to himself, quickly tossed it out to the 3 point line, where Battier missed a game-tying buzzer 3.

One other note: coming back from a commercial break, they were discussing Marbury's situation with Marbs' pic and stats on the screen ... and then the cameras zoomed in on Steve Francis, in warm-ups, clowning around.  The Chinese announcers chuckled a lot.  Sigh.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: luee on November 17, 2007, 03:24:03 AM
Bad fantasy offers; Starbury and Bynum for Curry and Roy. I dont even want Steph on my fantasy team.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: fersanti on November 19, 2007, 07:23:59 PM
Got to see Rockets at Spurs on Friday (second half at least). I guess Scola did get in tune with 10/11 FG's... and boring old Tim got on just when it mattered, with a nice block on Yao. Speaking of whom, I saw a great defensive game on him by Oberto.
As I said before, guess the Rockets will depend on their health...
Anybody see the Bulls' game in which Nocioni was accused of just about anything short of ethnic cleansing? I love that guy, and would hate him if he played for an opposing team...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on December 06, 2007, 08:56:41 PM
Trivia:

Name a former NBA player whose name is a complete sentence.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2007, 10:58:35 PM
Trivia:

Name a former NBA player whose name is a complete sentence.

World B. Free


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on December 06, 2007, 11:09:08 PM
World B. Free

Yeah, I thought of that, but it only works if he spells his middle name "Be".  Otherwise, it only works phonetically or whatever, so it's not really a winner.

Anyways, the one I thought of was Cherokee Parks.

Are there any others?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2007, 11:11:30 PM
Dwayne Wade


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on December 06, 2007, 11:13:26 PM
Boom!  There's another one...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 06, 2007, 11:16:05 PM
Hank Gathers

Jamario Moon


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 07, 2007, 12:06:45 AM
Garfield Heard

Current NBAer:
Marcus Banks

Unfortunately Hank Gathers never made it to the NBA.

Alex Scales
Had a fine three year career for the Shanghai Sharks, and was on an NBA roster I think.

A Chinese player who was drafted:
Moke


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on December 07, 2007, 04:49:07 PM
Chris Mills.

Terry Mills.


Title: One man. One Name. Two sentences.
Post by: Kam on December 07, 2007, 04:52:28 PM
Heywood Workman.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 07, 2007, 04:53:41 PM
Ok so maybe some people spell it Haywood.

How about: Jalen Rose


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on December 07, 2007, 04:54:05 PM
With an exclamation point and a comma, Bob, Rule! and Kareem, Rush! would work.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on December 07, 2007, 04:58:07 PM
John Drew.  Larry Drew.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on December 07, 2007, 05:07:25 PM
With an exclamation point and a comma, Bob, Rule! and Kareem, Rush! would work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrFNYiSWr9o

Bob Rules!

I picked up ol' Bob and I hugged him, like a Bear.  He said 'Have you pet spayed or neutered and put me down son and feast your eyes over there'


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 05, 2008, 03:32:56 PM
Knickerbockers, please.
Season's on the cooling board.
So f__  it, I'm going off-topic for the next 3 months.

Folks, make sure you check out 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days.
Otherwise referred to as the Romanian abortion film.
It's a real kick in the teeth.
Just a powerful film.  Depressing, hell yes.  But very good.
It's playing in NYC at the IFC Center, which is part of the Cablevision conglom.
Wonder if the IFC Center serves Zeke's freaky popcorn?

And if you haven't heard, Romanian cinema has arrived, with The Paper Will be Blue and California Dreamin' also worth your eye-time.

Otherwise, I'd rec Juno and 2 Days in Paris.
Paprika is quite good for those into anime.
While Sicko is a must-see.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2008, 03:38:01 PM
Knickerbockers, please.
Season's on the cooling board.
So f__  it, I'm going off-topic for the next 3 months.

Folks, make sure you check out 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days.
Otherwise referred to as the Romanian abortion film.
It's a real kick in the teeth.
Just a powerful film.  Depressing, hell yes.  But very good.
It's playing in NYC at the IFC Center, which is part of the Cablevision conglom.
Wonder if the IFC Center serves Zeke's freaky popcorn?

And if you haven't heard, Romanian cinema has arrived, with The Paper Will be Blue and California Dreamin' also worth your eye-time.

Otherwise, I'd rec Juno and 2 Days in Paris.
Paprika is quite good for those into anime.
While Sicko is a must-see.

I saw that Romanian movie last week with my parents.  My dad had an advanced copy.  It was not exactly "Knocked up".  Definitely not a good first date movie.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 05, 2008, 05:43:33 PM
I saw that Romanian movie last week with my parents.  My dad had an advanced copy.  It was not exactly "Knocked up".  Definitely not a good first date movie.
No, but two other pregnancy movies from 2007 might work:
Juno and Waitress.

But Once would be a better bet. 
A semi-romance, folksy songs, no pregnancy.
2 Days in Paris was also quite good, in a Woody Allenish vein, but I doubt either of those are playing in and around central Jersey.

Ratatouille or Atonement would be safer first date films, the latter if you want to seem sensitive and highbrow.

I'm Not There would probably offer the most to talk about afterwards --- a good test.

Uh, I'm movie binging during the Chinese New Year holiday.

So how'd you like 4, 3, 2 anyway?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 05, 2008, 06:06:45 PM

So how'd you like 4, 3, 2 anyway?

I haven't seen those movies you mentioned.

4 months 3 days 2 weeks is just a dark disturbing f-ed up movie.   There was a lot of verisimilitude to the story.  I could identify with the characters, but at the same time, I was so angry at them.   That dinner pasty scene was pretty cool.  One very long shot.  I guess thats this director's style, very long camera shots. It makes things more realistic, but at times painful to watch.  I could've done without the one scene of the bathroom floor after the act.

Did you like the movie?  Its hard for me to like a movie that makes me feel like that.  But i do appreciate the film-making aspect.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 19, 2008, 07:08:44 AM
Milwaukee continues as the league's choke artists supreme.
Blew a 12 point 2nd half lead to Miami to lose by 6 (gave up 40 4th Q points).
Just terrible coaching, poor shot selection, iffy defense.
Another high draft pick coming right up.

Quote
Milwaukee, which has lost six straight and blown its fair share of big advantages in the second half this season, including an 11-point lead against Utah late in the fourth quarter on Wednesday.

"I don't feel like guys have turned me off. People are still paying attention, but that's a rough question to ask a coach," said Bucks coach Larry Krystkowiak, who called the team's inability to get stops in the fourth quarter "super frustrating."

They need to shake things up.  I'd take Bogut, Redd (although he hasn't consistently played hard, and takes some crazy shots), and Yi.  Also, Simmons if we were dumping an equally crappy contract.  Gadzooks if we could dump a JJ, etc.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 02, 2008, 12:45:35 PM
Ah, The Bucks.
What a dopey team.

I was watching the 2nd half of the Suns and Nugs,and noticed this:
Quote
In the fourth quarter, the Suns repeatedly used an alignment with a shooter on each baseline, O'Neal at one elbow, Stoudemire at the other elbow and Nash at the top of the key with a live dribble. Nash could use a screen by either O'Neal or Stoudemire. Talk about a nightmare for a defense! This offensive set forces the defense to choose between protecting the paint--thus leaving Nash open for a jumper--or trapping Nash and trying to rotate before he passes to O'Neal or Stoudemire for a dunk. Expect to see a steady diet of this during the playoffs.

The first time they ran this play with both Shaq and Amare setting high screens on either side, I assumed it was a miscommunication and Shaq had set a screen by accident when it was Amare's turn.  Then the Suns went back to this a few times.  Tough to defend.  Nash can go any direction, use either screen, with one or both Bigs rolling to the hoop.  Amare got some dunkage off of this.  Once Shaq drifted to the rim and was left unguarded, getting a pass from Amare.
Suns can run this set with Barbosa and Bell in the corners.  Or even Hill or Giricek spotting up for corner three's. 

A nice new wrinkle that D'Antoni is readying for the playoffs.
Denver couldn't handle it.
Lakers might have the best shot defending this, with a number of mobile Bigs (assuming Bynum and Gasol are back) and good on-ball pressure at the point.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 02, 2008, 01:04:04 PM
Wages of Wins folks on effects of payroll and scoring in the NBofA:
Quote
    * Payroll does not explain much of wins in the NBA, MLB, or NFL.  Specifically, payroll only explains 12% of the variation in wins in the NBA.  In baseball explanatory power is 18% while in the NFL it is below 5%.  Relative to these sports, though, performance in the NBA is more consistent.  So why is payroll still unable to explain much of wins?

    * We think the answer lies in how players are evaluated in the NBA.  For more than two decades economists have looked at the link between player salary and various performance statistics.  Scoring totals are the only player statistic that consistently explains player pay. Shooting efficiency, rebounds, steals, and turnovers do not consistently offer much explanatory power.  We updated these studies in our book.  Our story, though, was essentially the same.  Scoring totals are the one statistic that matters most in determining player pay.

    * How much players are paid is not the only decision economists have examined. Ha Hoang and Dan Rascher published a study in Industrial Relations in 1999.  The Hoang and Rascher study looked at the factors that caused a player to be cut from an NBA roster.  The only player statistic these researchers found to matter was scoring.  All other player statistics did not matter.

    * We have looked at the coaches voting for the All-Rookie team and the factors that impact where a college player is drafted.  What matters most? Again, scoring matters more than factors associated with getting possession of the ball (i.e. rebounds, turnovers, and steals).

    * Wins in the NBA, though, are not just about scoring.  Possession factors have a large impact on the outcomes we observe in the NBA. When you look at all the statistics the NBA tracks you find that with these you can explain 95% of the variation in wins.  And when you look at all these statistics you find that you can create a very accurate estimate of the wins each player produces.

From all this what do we conclude? Conventional wisdom in basketball is incorrect.  Players who only score are not as valuable as people think.  Players who do not score much — like Ben Wallace and Dennis Rodman – have a bigger impact on team wins than people seem to think.

Reminds one of Starbury explaining his max contract.
Also, why many think Jamal is valuable.
Of course that's why players want the ball and want to shoot (well money and the fact that it's more fun).  But scoring is glory, and glory gets rewarded.
Zach isn't earning $13M per for defense, now is he?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: jbottle on May 01, 2008, 08:28:49 PM
Somebody said the "playoffs" had started and I was like "playoffs...you wan't to talk about 'playoffs...'"


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 10, 2008, 09:07:59 AM
Thought this was interesting.
(And I realized that I knew very little about ACL's).
From a very good but long NYTimes Magazine piece (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/11/magazine/11Girls-t.html?pagewanted=all) on girl's sports injuries (focusing mostly on soccer and ACL's):

Quote
AN A.C.L. DOES NOT tear so much as it explodes, often during routine athletic maneuvers — landings from jumps, decelerations from sprints — that look innocuous until the athlete crumples to the ground. After the A.C.L. pulls off the femur, it turns into a viscous liquid. The ligament cannot be repaired; it has to be replaced with a graft, which the surgeon usually forms by taking a slice of the patellar tendon below the kneecap or from a hamstring tendon. One reason for the long rehabilitation is that the procedure is really two operations — one at the site of the injury and the other at the donor site, where the tendon is cut.

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/08/01/health/adam/21744.jpg)
The anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is a ligament in the center of the knee that prevents the shin bone (tibia) from moving forward on the thigh bone (femur).

I've frequently enough sprained my ankles, sometimes severely, playing basketball (and once broke one playing football in high school).  But thankfully have never had a knee injury of any sort.  Never had had any sports surgery either.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 14, 2008, 11:42:07 AM
Somebody said the "playoffs" had started and I was like "playoffs...you wan't to talk about 'playoffs...'"

This has not been a good springtime for Basketball fanatics.

First the NCAA tourney was boring.  All 4 #1s advance to the Final Four.  The only real excitement was the Kansas comeback.  And now these NBA playoffs where every game has been a blowout or a home-team fait a compli.  Except that first game of the first round where Tim Duincan hit a three to send the game into OT to help the Spurs beat the SUNS...   and perhaps this recent OT game in Utah... i can't remember a worse time to be a watcher of BBALL on TV.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 14, 2008, 12:12:42 PM
I can understand your complaint, as I've turned on more than one game around halftime only to find a blowout in progress (the last Cav-Celt game was pretty extreme).

But there have been some excellent performances:
Paul and West have had some scorching games.
Boozer, Deron, Kobe, etc.
Hawks and Philly.


and some interesting strategies:
Detroit was doubling Turk on the perimeter last game, forcing the ball out of his hands.
D'Antoni changed his game plan and had Diaw as the focal point.


Just seems one team shows up and the other gets pummeled.
Home court has been HUGE, except for the Houston-Utah series.
One thing good about all home wins is that you wind up with a Game 7, which is always exciting.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2008, 09:03:05 AM
Quote
Home court has been HUGE, except for the Houston-Utah series.
One thing good about all home wins is that you wind up with a Game 7, which is always exciting.

given the relatively poor performances of most "away" teams, I half expected Celtics fans to reprise   the "see you Sunday" chant after winning game 5 last night.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 17, 2008, 01:19:23 AM
KYLE KORVER YOU'RE GUTLESS!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 27, 2008, 11:36:31 AM
A list of the greats:

All-Time Playoff Scoring Leaders
No.   Player                       Points
1.    Michael Jordan          5,987
2.    Kareem                      5,762
3.    Shaquille O'Neal     5,121
4.    Karl Malone            4,761
5.    Jerry West               4,457
6.    Larry Bird                3,897
7.    John Havlicek            3,776
8.    Hakeem Olajuwon  3,755
9.    Magic Johnson          3,701
10.    Scottie Pippen          3,642
11.    Elgin Baylor            3,623
12.    Wilt Chamberlain 3,607
13.    Tim Duncan         3,577
14.    Kobe Bryant          3,465

I know Rip Hamilton just passed Isiah for most playoff points by a Piston, but I forget the number.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 28, 2008, 03:34:07 AM
Geez, Spurs bench has 4 players 35 or older (Finley, KT, Barry, Horry).
No wonder they start Fin and use Ginobili off the bench.
You can't really bring in 3 or 4 middle-aged players.

But Barry's dorky-looking quick release was working.

Odd  that Kobe took one 3-pointer and no FT's.
Hit nearly half his shots.
Didn't see the game.

Seems Oberto is doing little or nothing.
Why not use Kurt?

SA lost two winnable games.
At 1-3 ,they is done.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 28, 2008, 09:45:48 AM
Is it possible that there was a draft in which the second round was better than the first?
(of course Bias, Washburn and Tarpley were all drug casualties)

1986 DRAFT

First Round
1  Clev   Brad Daugherty           North Carolina
2  Bos    Len Bias                 Maryland
3  GS     Chris Washburn           North Carolina State
4  Ind    Chuck Person             Auburn
5  NY    Kenny Walker             Kentucky
6  Phoe   William Bedford          Memphis State
7  Dall   Roy Tarpley              Michigan
8* Clev   Ron Harper               Miami (OH)
9  Chi    Brad Sellers             Ohio State
10 SA     Johnny Dawkins           Duke
11 Det    John Salley              Georgia Tech
12 Wash   John Williams            Louisiana State
13 NJ     Dwayne Washington        Syracuse
14 Port   Walter Berry             St. John's
15 Utah   Dell Curry               Virginia Tech
16 Den    Mo Martin                St. Joseph's
17 Sac    Harold Pressley          Villanova
18 Den    Mark Alarie              Duke
19 Atl    Billy Thompson           Louisville
20 Hous   Buck Johnson             Alabama
21 Wash   Anthony Jones            Nevada-Las Vegas
22 Mil    Scott Skiles             Michigan State
23 LAL    Ken Barlow               Notre Dame
24 Port   Arvidas Sabonis          None (Soviet Union)

Second Round
1  Dall   Mark Price               Georgia Tech[/b]
2  Ind    Greg Drelling            Kansas
3  Det    Dennis Rodman            SE Oklahoma State
4  Chi    Larry Krystkowiak        Montana
5  Clev   Johnny Newman            Richmond
6  Sea    Nate McMillan            North Carolina State

7  Phoe   Joe Ward                 Georgia
8  Atl    Cedric Henderson         Georgia
9  SA     Kevin Duckworth          Eastern Illinois
10 Sac    Johnny Rogers            California-Irvine
11 Dall   Milt Wagner              Louisville
12 Wash   Steve Mitchell           Alabama-Birmingham
13 Port   Parragiotis Fasoulas     North Carolina State
14 Sea    Lemone Lampley           DePaul
15 Phoe   Rafael Addison           Syracuse
16 Atl    Augusto Binelli          None (Italy)
17 Den    Otis Smith               Jacksonville
18 Atl    Ron Kellogg              Kansas
19 Hous   Dave Feitl               Texas-El Paso
20 Phil   David Wingate            Georgetown
21 Mil    Keith Smith              Loyola Marymount
22 Phoe   Jeff Hornacek            Iowa State
23 NY    Michael Jackson          Georgetown

especially if you add in Third Round pick
13 Port   Drazen Petrovic          Zagreb (Yugoslavia)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bosox18d on May 30, 2008, 02:07:12 AM
Congrats to the rapist and his boys on reaching the finals.Here in L.A. thousands of young boys and girls wear the rapists jersey.The NBA it's Fantastic!!!!!!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on May 30, 2008, 02:53:03 AM
Better than those thugs from San Antonio.  I am very glad to see the Spurs denied this trip.  A Lakers-Celtics match-up brings up memories of old, but my how the faces have changed.  Ray Allen is one of my favorite players in the NBA.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on May 31, 2008, 10:58:39 AM
Congrats to the rapist and his boys on reaching the finals.Here in L.A. thousands of young boys and girls wear the rapists jersey.The NBA it's Fantastic!!!!!!

It's not innocent until proven guilty where you live?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bosox18d on May 31, 2008, 03:06:12 PM
Money buys happiness and"justice".He's a real role model for kids to look up to or adults.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Dzimas on June 04, 2008, 07:34:14 AM
Well, bo, as Sir Charles famously put it, "I am not a role model."  I imagine Kobe feels pretty much the same way.  Seems Jackson has learned to work with Kobe.  As for the Lakers, that was quite a steal getting Pau Gasol from Memphis. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2008, 01:06:32 PM
Every time the rapist touchs the ball I'd like to hear a Garden chant of:

No Means No!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: jbottle on June 06, 2008, 12:21:27 AM
Yo the Green must feel Mean...AIEIWE...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 09, 2008, 01:29:45 PM
Poor Rotation Hurts Lakers
By Dr. Jack Ramsay
ESPN Radio

BOSTON -- NBA games can change at the drop of a hat ... or if group substitutions don't work out. The Lakers frequently go to their bench at the start of the second quarter and have gotten good results from the change in lineup. But I have never seen them use five reserves at the same time. Coach Phil Jackson usually keeps one of his starters, either Kobe Bryant or Lamar Odom, in the mix.

At the beginning of the second quarter of Game 2, with his team up 22-20, Jackson started the second quarter with five reserves: Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Ronny Turiaf, Luke Walton and Trevor Ariza. Over the next two minutes and 20 seconds the Celtics had run off 10 straight points to give them an eight point lead that they never relinquished.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 09, 2008, 01:36:50 PM
F-in Ariza.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bosox18d on June 09, 2008, 09:38:34 PM
The Lakers also started game 2 by driving to the Basket while the Celts were taking jump shots.When Powe came in it changed what the Celts were doing on offense to that point.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on June 10, 2008, 11:41:30 AM
So Michael Curry in Detroit.
Vinny the DarkHorse for Da Bulls.

Thoughts?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on June 10, 2008, 11:43:13 AM
Del Negro could be a younger cheaper D'antoni clone for the Bulls.

I don't get what Kerr is doing, transforming PHX into a Defensive team.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on June 18, 2008, 01:41:04 PM
CELTIC PRIDE

                         is back

Order has been restored to the Basketball universe


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on October 25, 2017, 12:42:21 PM
IND-MIN was fun
Seemed more like a Home game for INDy, as they kept ripping 12 point leads only to have MIN tie it up, then PAcers would stretch another lead.

Really good ball movement by INDy.  Sometimes there passes were almost too forceful.  A real commitment to passing.  I always liked McMillan as a coach.

Collison ended up with 16 Assists.
IND shot 66.7% FG for the game.
Oladipo still a sloppy player, trying always to make the spectacular play.
Jamal chumped him a bunch.
Craw 18 & 9 in 30 mins.  Played a terrific game until mid 4Q on where he looked winded and missed a few shots and had a fast break turnover, essentially dribbling onto a defender.  No reason he should be out there 30 mins at his age,
Jimmy Butler was out.

Teague had a poor game.  Didn't have it.
TJ Leaf looked good.
Knows what he's doing on O.
Popped a 3. A little later posted up Craw and made a strong move before the double team arrived.
Active on D, even if got out of position once or twice

Sabonis had a Big Game.  15 / 11/ 5

Bjelica for MIN has a nice shot and fought for O-Boards.
Hard to believe he only had one rebound.
He kept about 4 alive, but usually surrounded by 3 or 4 Pacers.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 25, 2017, 10:03:38 AM
NBA TRiviaL:

Only 2 players have scored more than 10K points in the NBA off the bench
(ie not counting any starts they've made).


Who they be?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on November 25, 2017, 02:20:13 PM
How about Jamal Crawford and Vinnie Johnson?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2017, 03:14:03 PM
Hadn't thought of Crawford, Vinnnie sounds good.

who knew they got a all-time bench list?

My WAG short list is Celts 6th men (Havlicek McHale-they both probably started too much)  Mano Ginobli, Michael Cooper, Downtown Town Freddie Brown (his name should get him some credit) and Robert Horry (just because he's a vulture) 

I don't have a clue


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on November 25, 2017, 03:26:50 PM
Was also thinking Havlicek.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 25, 2017, 03:31:21 PM
Crawford is one.

I picked the info up during a Minny telecast (where Craw now scores).

The Microwave sounds like a good guess, but alas, tis not he.

The other one is tougher to guess.
A retired player -- a scorer of course --who still has some relevance to today's game.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on November 25, 2017, 03:38:11 PM
Will spitball some, Detlef Schrempf, Dell Curry, Ricky Pierce, Freddie Brown....


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 25, 2017, 05:30:55 PM
Crawford
&
Dell Curry

I think folks often forget what a good scorer Curry was.

I'd be interested to see a Top 5 or somesuch list of bench points scored.
But all I got was the 2 over 10k.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on November 25, 2017, 05:38:47 PM
Dell Curry had an incredibly quick release.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 26, 2017, 04:09:00 AM
Here we go:

Top 5 Career bench scorers since 1983-84 (the reserve/starter data only goes back that far):

1. Jamal Crawfish 11,147
2. Dell Curry        10, 124
3. Ricky Pierce       9,432
4. Eddie Johnson    9,213
5. Lou Williams       8,873
6. Thurl Bailey        8,689

7.   Manu 
10. Micro-Vinnie 
12.  Shrempf

Full List here (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&year_min=1964&year_max=2018&is_playoffs=N&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_starter=N&season_start=1&season_end=-1&order_by=pts).


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on November 26, 2017, 08:40:28 AM
Nice job yank

a couple of my WAGs finished in the top 20.

I knew i didn't have a clue.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 26, 2017, 09:13:41 AM
I thought of Lou Williams.
Terry & J Earl Smith crossed my mind but I figured they used to start a lot.

Dell Curry started just 99 games compared to 1083 off the bench.

Here's a minor Q:
Dell Curry and his son Steph Curry actually have the exact same name.
What is their full formal name?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on November 26, 2017, 04:06:32 PM
I thought of Lou Williams.
Terry & J Earl Smith crossed my mind but I figured they used to start a lot.

Dell Curry started just 99 games compared to 1083 off the bench.

Here's a minor Q:
Dell Curry and his son Steph Curry actually have the exact same name.
What is their full formal name?


Wardell Stephen Curry I and II.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 26, 2017, 10:29:48 PM
Right you is.

I imagine few fans know that Steph's first name is Wardell.
Which of course is where Dell comes from.

You don't run into Wardell much.
Makes me think of tenor sax player Wardell Gray.
Talented cat who died young under mysterious circumstances.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 27, 2017, 04:44:39 AM
Enes Kanter is from Turkey*.
Name the 4 other Turkish players in the NBA.


* the repressive Erdogan gov't has rescinded his passport and would like to kindly throw him in jail.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on November 27, 2017, 08:32:04 AM
Right you is.

I imagine few fans know that Steph's first name is Wardell.
Which of course is where Dell comes from.

You don't run into Wardell much.
Makes me think of tenor sax player Wardell Gray.
Talented cat who died young under mysterious circumstances.


Sonics had a Wardell in the 70s, Jackson. Bill Russell coached him.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 29, 2017, 11:17:52 AM
A Handful of Young Turks in the NBofA:

Enes Kanter - NYK starting C.
Omer Asik is buried on the bench in NO
Ersan Ilyasova on a one year deal with ATL

Cedi Osman on the Cavs.  (hasn't shown much when I've seen him)
Furkan Kormaz for Philly

I was surprised there are 5 Turkish players in the L.
Kanter the only starter.  
Ilya the only other seeing regular minutes.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on November 29, 2017, 11:28:32 AM
I always liked Mehmet Okur.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on November 29, 2017, 02:06:38 PM
Hedo T. had a pretty good NBA run.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on November 29, 2017, 11:09:46 PM
Didn't the Knix have one of the first/early Turks in the NBA?

Mirsad Turkan or somesuch ...

Edit: Looked him up and . . . Mirsad Turkcan played 7 games for the Knix in 2000, another 10 games for MIL that same year, and that was his NBA career.  Wonder why I remembered that.  Just missed a C in his family name.  Seems he was born in Serbia, of Bosniak origins, moved to Turkey and became a citizen there.  Was the first Turk in the NBofA.
Led EuroLeague in rebounding 4 years.  I was picturing him as an SF, but he was a 6'9" PF.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 02, 2017, 02:36:53 PM
JVG didn't like him much.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: MrUtley3 on December 12, 2017, 03:57:33 PM
Advice for the Balls in Lithuania:

Jonas Valanciunas says,  "They're getting themselves into a great opportunity," Valanciunas said. "Lithuania is beautiful country. I hope they're going to like it. ... It's a high level of basketball, so we'll see how they're gonna do it.

"The sky's the limit. They go out there, they show they can play -- basketball is everywhere. Every country's playing basketball, Lithuania included. We have great basketball history. We're such a small country, but we have many, many great players. Our basketball school is good., so they chose a really good school.

"They just gotta work hard -- it's all about working. You can be as good as you can be by working. Talent is one thing, but work you put in, that's gonna show up.

"If they have any problems, let me know. I can help them out."


Know any good lawyers, Jonas?

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/liangelo-lamelo-ball-receive-advice-from-lithuanian-nba-player-jonas-valanciunas/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/liangelo-lamelo-ball-receive-advice-from-lithuanian-nba-player-jonas-valanciunas/)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 15, 2017, 08:41:47 AM
Right now, LeBJ's career #'s:
29,601 Points
 7,948  Boards
 7,705  Assists
    850 Blocks
 1,791 Steals

He turns 33 end of Dec.
4 + more productive years and his career numbers could be:
35,000 Points, 10,000 Boards, 10K Assists, 2,000 Steals, 1,000 Blocks.
Which is insane.
Now he could slow down significantly.
And injuries could always crop up, as he'd has a ton of miles on his body.

Things would have to go well for him to hit all those milestones.
But he'll likely make some of them, and be close to all.
(only 5 players have had 10K Assists; only 12 2,000 Steals -- though Chris Paul getting close to those levels; LBJ already 7th in all-time scoring).
1000 blocks not really a historical figure, but still looks nice on a resume.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on December 15, 2017, 09:57:29 AM
I think by the time he's done, James stats are going to be a magnificent curiosity, but the only way anybody's ever going to know how great he really was/is to have him watched him play.  That's why Youtube exists.  I think it's fair to say that every player he's played with, with the odd exception of Kevin Love, is/was a better player playing with him. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 15, 2017, 10:01:34 AM
Cool numbers on Lebron

How is this guy?:

13 seasons (avg 67 games per)

11121 points (12.8 per))

5806 rebounds (6.7)

2224 assists (2.6)

917 steals (1.1)

675 blocks (0.8 per)

48% FG, 82% FT

Peak PER - 19.1
Low PER - 14.5


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 15, 2017, 10:10:20 AM
Speaking of Love -

his numbers at age 29 are staggering

11K plus points

Approaching 7K rebounds

Kyrie may be better minus LBJ, we'll see.  May be the second best player in the league right now.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 17, 2017, 06:45:44 PM
(http://d2s3dt9f4iyeup.cloudfront.net/images/standard_v1/318e4221-6397-4e91-a044-86fa1d4cc511.jpg)

The Big O's #'s are crazy.

Interestingly, Westbrook is nearly averaging a trip-dub again this year, but nobody cares, because his team is sub, 500 and his shooting #'s stink.  23 / 9.9 / 9.7 . . .  ho hum.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 17, 2017, 11:58:01 PM
I think it's fair to say that every player he's played with, with the odd exception of Kevin Love, is/was a better player playing with him. 

Kyrie?

(Wade probably too, but he may have peaked physically before LeBron arrived)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 18, 2017, 05:48:18 AM
Bosh had to change his game significantly to fit in with LeBJ.
Bosh was a more dominant scorer in TOR.
But became a very good, active defender in MIA.
Which I wouldn't attribute to LBJ.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 18, 2017, 05:53:01 AM
Hezonja had a career night v. DET.
8-13 on 3's (he only took 13 3's in NOV), good for 28 points in 31 mins.
Added 6 boards and 3 steals.
Two games before that he had 17 & 9.
Be nice for ORL if Hez can turn into a legit player.
Simmons is the only one I like on that team, and being a late bloomer, he's already 28.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 18, 2017, 04:07:10 PM
NBA picks moving here

(30-18 last week, +39 games for year)


Monday 12/18


New York +6 @ Charlotte
Boston -1.5 @ Indiana
Atlanta +2.5 vs Miami
Philadelphia -1.5 @ Chicago
Denver +4 @ OKC
Houston -12 vs Utah
Portland +2.5 @ Minnesota
Dallas -6 vs Phoenix
Clippers +11.5 @ San Antonio
Lakers +6.5 vs Golden State





Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 18, 2017, 06:12:19 PM
#50again

https://twitter.com/Jimmerosity/status/942456947168571392 (https://twitter.com/Jimmerosity/status/942456947168571392)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: facilitatorn on December 18, 2017, 06:29:18 PM
#50again

https://twitter.com/Jimmerosity/status/942456947168571392 (https://twitter.com/Jimmerosity/status/942456947168571392)
Smartest kid in the short bus.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 18, 2017, 10:33:57 PM
I think Jimmer had a few down games (around 27 points on tons of FGA's in 3 or so games), and his team was losing.  Though I spotted an easy win for them 2 nights ago.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 19, 2017, 03:06:37 PM
Tuesday 12/19

New Orleans +4.5 @ Washington
Philly -8.5 vs Sacramento
Cleveland -1 @ Milwaukee


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 19, 2017, 08:53:37 PM
I think Jimmer had a few down games (around 27 points on tons of FGA's in 3 or so games), and his team was losing.  Though I spotted an easy win for them 2 nights ago.

'bout .500 are the Sharks.  Disappointing.

Jimmer had a FIFTEEN point game recently.  Averaging 40 you arent always going to get near fifty.

I commented recently how it is now time for Fredette to show a different kind of leadership.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on December 20, 2017, 09:15:31 AM
Sharks 8-10.
I tuned into the start of the 4Q, with the Sharks down 6 or so.
And they proceeded to shoot 0-17 FG's in the 4th, until Jimmer made a long 3 with 34 secs left.  Meant they lost by 19 instead of over 20.
The team that beat them is one of the better teams and seemed to have an actual defensive game plan, and rebounded well.  Jared Sullinger toils for them.

I think Jimmer finished with 22, 14 entering the 4th, a handful of 4Q FT's and a late meaningless 3.  PF Nick Minnerath is their other foreign import.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 03:34:09 PM
Wednesday games 12/20


Charlotte +1 vs Toronto
Sacramento +5.5 @ Brooklyn
Indiana -4.5 @ Atlanta
Boston -8 vs Miami
Utah +7.5 @ OKC
Lakers +14 @ Houston
Chicago -5 vs Orlando
Detroit -2 @ Dallas
Denver -2.5 vs Minnesota
San Antonio -1 @ Portland
Golden State -10.5 vs Memphis
Clippers -4 vs Phoenix


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 06:05:11 PM
"........late meaningless three...."

Its like a flashback to when Met fans criticized Strawberry for meaningless HR

heh


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on December 20, 2017, 06:11:40 PM
Except Strawberry's were in the MAJOR leagues.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 09:15:42 PM
Celts struggling again tonight

Definitely a "do not bet" team right now.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 09:19:37 PM
Olynyk with the "Hey, remember me?" night.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on December 20, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
LaVar Ball to Start Big Baller Brand League for Players Who Skip College - Bleacher Report
https://apple.news/AlDr8yCiySwWzXJwjddEyUg (https://apple.news/AlDr8yCiySwWzXJwjddEyUg)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 09:44:56 PM
Girl ref Holdcamp should just retire.  So bad.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 09:51:08 PM
Nets cant inbound - down 3 with 3 seconds left

heh

Big game for Phil's George Hill.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
Rockets trail Lakers by 5 headed to the 4th

Sooooooooo .....how much do they win by?  :)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2017, 09:57:20 PM
Celts burnt by Heat.

2nd time so far this year.

Just saw the last 6 minutes of the 4th.

Celts nibbled away a 10 pt Heat lead, and had a chance to steal one at the buzzer, but KI clanked a makeable shot.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 10:07:01 PM
Solid minutes for big #66 of Lakers.


Andrew



Bogut.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 20, 2017, 10:08:29 PM
Finger dislocation for Tatum


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 21, 2017, 06:42:09 PM
Thursday 12/21 NBA



Toronto -3 @ Philly
New York +2.5 vs Boston
Cleveland -11.5 vs Chicago
Memphis - even - @ Phoenix
Utah +3 vs San Antonio


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 22, 2017, 07:51:41 PM
Detroit -6 vs New York
New Orleans -4 @ Orlando
Brooklyn +5 vs Washington
Dallas - even - @ Miami
Atlanta +10.5 @ OKC
Clippers +11.5 @ Houston
Milwaukee -4.5 vs Charlotte
Portland -1 vs Denver
Golden State -10 vs Lakers


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 23, 2017, 04:53:33 PM
Big NBA slate tonight


Toronto -8.5 vs Philly
Washington -11.5 vs Orlando
Brooklyn +10.5 @ Indiana
Milwaukee +1.5 @ Charlotte
Chicago +7 @ Boston
Dallas -2.5 @ Atlanta
Miami +5.5 vs New Orleans
Clippers +4.5 @ Memphis
OKC - even - @ Utah
Denver +10 @ Golden State
Phoenix +7.5 vs Minnesota
Lakers -3 vs Portland
Sacramento +8 vs San Antonio


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 24, 2017, 04:35:52 PM
Shutting down NBA picks

Happy Holidays to all


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on January 16, 2018, 09:56:32 AM
Knick Trivia:

Name the AP College Players of the Year who have been on the Knicks  (the award kicked off in 60-61, so 47 total winners)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: MrUtley3 on January 16, 2018, 01:34:27 PM
Sad Chris Paul. Very sad.

Act like a man.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on January 17, 2018, 10:11:57 AM
Knick Trivia:

Name the AP College Players of the Year who have been on the Knicks  (the award kicked off in 60-61, so 47 total winners)


Burke, McDermott, Jimmer, Melo, K-Mart, Camby, Ewing, King, and surely someone from the glory days (either Bradley or Reed).


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on January 17, 2018, 10:59:35 AM
Knick Trivia:

Name the AP College Players of the Year who have been on the Knicks  (the award kicked off in 60-61, so 47 total winners)


Burke, McDermott, Jimmer, Melo, K-Mart, Camby, Ewing, King, and surely someone from the glory days (either Bradley or Reed).

You got 7 out of 10 (with your 10 guesses).
Nicely done

Three more, all from the old days.
4 of the first 5 winners played for the Knix, with 3 of those drafted by the Knicks: 2 were overall #1 picks and the other was Dollar Bill a territorial draft pick (Princeton being a few miles closer to NYC than to Philly)

McD, Burke and Jimmer won it within a 4 year span, with Anthony Davis in between.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2018, 11:01:52 AM
Lucas?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on January 17, 2018, 11:05:18 AM
Yep, Lucas won the award the first two years it was given.
His Jr & Sr seasons, 61 & 62.
Lucas one of 5 multiple time winners.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2018, 11:15:36 AM
Just glanced at my bookshelf and saw this:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0047AJR8A/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr= (https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0047AJR8A/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr=)

Was the other guy pre-Lucas?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on January 17, 2018, 03:23:34 PM
Yep, Lucas won the award the first two years it was given.
His Jr & Sr seasons, 61 & 62.
Lucas one of 5 multiple time winners.



Walton and Sampson also multiple winners. Don't know the others. KAJ maybe?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on January 17, 2018, 04:09:32 PM
Cazzie Russell.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on January 17, 2018, 05:14:46 PM
Cazzie Russ indeed.  Won College AP Player of the Year in 64-65.
Drafted #1 overall by the Knix.
Later traded for Lucas.

One more Knick winner still to go.
Probably the toughest to get since he didn't have a standout pro career.

Speaking of, the most obscure name on the list for the first 5 years  is easily Gary "Tex" Bradds.  Born and raised in Ohio so no idea why he was called Tex.  Played with Lucas and Havlicek and Bobby Knight at Ohio.  "After Lucas left, Bradds took over.Averaged 28.0 points and 13.0 rebounds as a junior, after replacing Jerry Lucas. Averaged 30.6 points and 13.4 rebounds as a senior. Had six consecutive 40 point games his senior year"
Drafted by Baltimore, played a mere 44 games, in limited minutes; went to the ABA for a few years,  played well on the '69 title team with Rick Barry and Larry Brown.



As for multiple winners: Jerry Lucas, Ralph Sampson (x3), Bill Walton & Lew Alcindor, with the Grover Cleveland style non-consecutive wins (Elvin Hayes slipped in for one term)

The 5th multiple year winner was my favorite player when I was a kid ___________________.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on January 17, 2018, 05:16:49 PM
Art Heyman!!!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on January 17, 2018, 05:52:26 PM
Art Heyman the '62-63 winner.
Apparently was a difficult sort who got into fights frequently.  At Duke, one of his fights involved both Larry Brown and Donnie Walsh, with all 3 getting suspended for the rest of the ACC year (they were allowed to play non-conference games).

After averaging 15 pts his rook year with the Knix, his minutes dropped considerably his 2nd year, then he was out of the league and hooked in with the new ABA for a few seasons.

Knix had the #1 overall pick 3 out of 4 seasons, since they were perennially bad: Heyman, Jim Barnes, (territorial pick Bill Bradley), Cazzie Russell.  The following year they got Clyde with the 5th pick.
The Barnes year they also drafted Willis Reed in the 2nd round (there were only 9 teams then, and an 80 game season).


As for multiple year winners, Oscar Robertson won the UPI College Player of the Year 3x, a forerunner of the AP award, which started the year after The Big O graduated.

Still one more 2-time AP CPotY unguessed.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on January 18, 2018, 12:13:51 PM
The other 2 time AP College Player of the Year Winner:
David Thompson

Quote
Led Wolfpack to a 79-7 record during his three seasons (freshmen were ineligible then) including 57-1 during his sophomore and junior seasons (27-0, 30-1),


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on January 18, 2018, 12:18:50 PM
Thompson was the most impressive college player (non-center category) I ever watched play. His abilities were off the charts great.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on January 18, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
I'll ditto that.  His fall against Pittsburgh in the NCAA Tourney when he was trying to block a shot (being Thompson it was like he fell from 3 flights up) was one of the worst things I've seen on a court.  I was sure he was dead.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 03, 2018, 09:33:19 AM
8 players have scored 10,000 points and dished 2,500 assists in their first NBA six seasons.  One just accomplished this yesterday.

Who are those 8?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 07, 2018, 11:00:27 PM
Wilt
Jordan
Oscar
Magic
LeBron
Russbrook
Irving


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 08, 2018, 03:18:23 AM
Wilt
Jordan  Oscar  LeBron
Magic  Russbrook  Irving


You got the 3 easiest ones. 
There's one more easy one.
Lillard is the guy who did it the other day
Then there are 3 from the 60/70's which are interesting and hard to get.  Which is why I liked this particular question.

I can give out some hints.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 08:17:13 AM
L Bird


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 08:18:55 AM
D Bing


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 08:20:05 AM
Archibald


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 08:20:30 AM
J West


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 08, 2018, 08:24:20 AM
Yes to Bird, Bing and Tiny.  But not West.
Good job.
I never would have guessed Bing.
Don't think I ever saw him play.
Archibald makes sense, but I wouldn't have gotten him either.

There's one more 70's guy -- known for scoring and passing, which is what this Q is all about.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 08, 2018, 08:36:38 AM
Just looked up West.
He had 2,285 Assists his first 6 years.
Interestingly he was more of a rebounder than assist man his first 6 years.  Then the last 8 years flipped that and was a bigtime assist man.

First 5 years, West averaged less than 6 assist per game every year.
Next 9 years he averaged over 6 assists every year.  With his 3 highest years being his late career from age 32-34, when he averaged over 9 assists per during that span.

And for rebounds, West averaged over 6 rebounds per his first 6 seasons, and then under 6 his next 8.
I assume that had to do with team needs/composition.
Before my time.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on February 08, 2018, 08:57:31 AM
Didn't he play more 1 towards the end of his career than early on?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2018, 09:41:28 AM
Just looked up West.
He had 2,285 Assists his first 6 years.
Interestingly he was more of a rebounder than assist man his first 6 years.  Then the last 8 years flipped that and was a bigtime assist man.

First 5 years, West averaged less than 6 assist per game every year.
Next 9 years he averaged over 6 assists every year.  With his 3 highest years being his late career from age 32-34, when he averaged over 9 assists per during that span.

And for rebounds, West averaged over 6 rebounds per his first 6 seasons, and then under 6 his next 8.
I assume that had to do with team needs/composition.
Before my time.

Taking a WAG-I'd say that adding Wilt as a teammate in the late 60s and a threat in the low-post added to West's assists, and having a vacuum cleaner off the boards lessened available rebounds for others.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 09:49:06 AM
Did Cousy score that much?  Nah, likely not.

Maravich?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 09:49:45 AM
Ernie D?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2018, 09:59:22 AM
Ernie D?

heh

you got it with Pistol Pete



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 10:04:47 AM
Amazing that I remember those guys but didnt see the 70s Steelers play

heh


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2018, 10:10:34 AM
Amazing that I remember those guys but didnt see the 70s Steelers play

heh

congratulations on your mastery of google.

if you saw Ernie D play you know his rookie year, was by far his best NBA year.

loved that guy as a college player but he wasn't a good pro baller, too slow and couldn't play ironically D.

heh

but he was a great passer and fun to watch

as to the 70s Steelers I asked you twice if you saw them play, and asked you how old you were at the time, and you declined to answer.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 08, 2018, 10:29:42 AM
Ernie D. destroyed his knee in his second season.  He never really recovered from that, but remained a great foul shooter.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2018, 10:34:14 AM
yup

never got close to his rookie year.

but to think he was a 20 ppg 5 assisst guy for 6 years suggests "you" never saw him play.

and my iggy count just increased by 1

heh


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 08, 2018, 11:08:54 AM
Maravich?

Pistol Pete, who only played one more full season (his 7th in which he led the league in scoring).  Then injuries took over to disrupt his 8th season and rest of his career.

10K Points & 2,500 Assists in first 6 Seasons

Lillard  -  LBJ  -  Jordan  -  Bird
Maravich -  Archibald -  Bing -  Oscar


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 08, 2018, 05:06:20 PM
Maravich?

Pistol Pete, who only played one more full season (his 7th in which he led the league in scoring).  Then injuries took over to disrupt his 8th season and rest of his career.

10K Points & 2,500 Assists in first 6 Seasons

Lillard  -  LBJ  -  Jordan  -  Bird
Maravich -  Archibald -  Bing -  Oscar

You gotta average 20 and 5 to get on this list over your first 6 years. 

Name the NEXT player who gets there?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2018, 05:23:53 PM
Maravich?

Pistol Pete, who only played one more full season (his 7th in which he led the league in scoring).  Then injuries took over to disrupt his 8th season and rest of his career.

10K Points & 2,500 Assists in first 6 Seasons

Lillard  -  LBJ  -  Jordan  -  Bird
Maravich -  Archibald -  Bing -  Oscar

You gotta average 20 and 5 to get on this list over your first 6 years. 

Name the NEXT player who gets there?

maybe Ben Simmons

or some kid you will hear about in 5-10 years


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 08, 2018, 06:42:15 PM
Maravich?

Pistol Pete, who only played one more full season (his 7th in which he led the league in scoring).  Then injuries took over to disrupt his 8th season and rest of his career.

10K Points & 2,500 Assists in first 6 Seasons

Lillard  -  LBJ  -  Jordan  -  Bird
Maravich -  Archibald -  Bing -  Oscar

You gotta average 20 and 5 to get on this list over your first 6 years. 

Name the NEXT player who gets there?

I'm wondering how close Starbury got to making this list


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2018, 07:05:53 PM
Missed 70 games or he would have been close.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 09, 2018, 12:23:40 AM
A half-dozen Starburies:

Nearly 2,800 Assists
But 8,463 Points

Games Played: 67, 82, 49, 74, 67, 82
Would have had to average 22 in the 70 games he missed to hit 10K.  But unrealistic to expect he'd play every single game.
Miss 10 games over 6 years and he'd need to average 25 in the 60 games he missed.

Marbury had some early career ankle problems iirc.
Mid-2nd year got traded from Minny to NJ because he didn't want to co-exist with KG.

Marbury was out of the NBA at 31, and only played 24 games (for NYK) at age 30.  And then finished with 23 games for BOS.
So was still young and able to have a 2nd career in China (after sitting at home and eating Vaseline for a few years).


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 09, 2018, 12:31:42 AM
FYI, you can check out the stats for the 8 guys who had 10K Pts and 2.5K Ass in their first 6 years here (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=combined&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=6&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=10000&c2stat=ast&c2comp=gt&c2val=2500&order_by=ws)

Jordan had the most Points (14,016) followed closely by Oscar's (13,988).  Next highest LeBJ (12,993).

Oscar had nearly 5K Assists (4,923)
Maravich and Bing barely made the cut for both categories.

Bird the only one with over 5K Rebounds.
So Bird the only player with over 10K Pts, 5K Boards, 2.5K Assist in first 6 seasons.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 09, 2018, 09:48:51 AM
I take Bird over Jordan every day.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 09, 2018, 10:11:16 AM
Kid knows things.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 09, 2018, 10:45:29 AM
"every day"

I would probably take Bird M-W-F, Jordan on T-Th-Sat and maybe Lebron Sunday.

But only if Russell wasn't avaialble


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 09, 2018, 07:55:33 PM
I’d take them both it’s not like they play the same spot


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 09, 2018, 08:00:50 PM
LeBron as PG
Jordan as SG
Bird as SF

Apologies to KD and Kobe a few others*. but I like this team. Slot in a pf like Duncan and any Center you want from a list that includes Wilt and co.

Magic, Cp3, Harden, Curry, West, Oscar


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 09, 2018, 08:23:02 PM
Magic, Michael, LBJ, Bird, Wilt.

I think center is the only place you might quibble, but not so much.

Stockton, Kobe, Erving, Hayes, Russell

Paul, Oscar, Wilkins, Baylor, Olajuwon

- sorry to West, Shaq, a few others



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 09, 2018, 09:24:34 PM
They played different positions with different styles, so I guess team needs could play a role.
I'd take Jordan on offense alone, but Jordan was a terrific defender, while Bird wasn't. 

MJ also put a helluva lot of pressure on the defense.
During those first 6 seasons, Jordan made 3500 FT's to 2000 for Bird (the lowest of the 6).

Jordan also made the 10k/2.5K Club while missing almost all of his 2nd season with a foot broken in his 3rd game.  So all those MJ #'s are pretty much his first 5 seasons.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 15, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
An article from last Summer looking back on the Nets-Celts trade (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/nets/worst-trade-back-nets-celtics-deal-2013-article-1.3255407?cid=bitly):
Quote
The first deal negotiated with the Celtics was just for Pierce, and the Nets only had to give up one draft pick, Kris Humphries and MarShon Brooks. But then Doc Rivers left the Celtics for the Clippers, and Garnett came into focus because there was nothing left for him in Boston. To match salaries, the Nets had to get rid of Gerald Wallace and his ugly contract paying $30 million over the next three years.

Shedding that cost Brooklyn another first-round draft pick, along with the two they were giving up for Garnett and Pierce. For a year in between, the Celtics negotiated the right to swap first-round picks. That turned into the Celtics landing No. 1 overall in 2017

Quote
King’s worst deal was for Wallace in 2012, a panic move meant to help convince Williams to re-sign in free agency that summer. The pick given in exchange to the Blazers turned into Dame Lillard, a point guard who is immensely better than Williams today.

So the Nets gave up a high pick to get Gerald Wallace, then gave away another high pick to trade away his  salary.  Crash was a good player, but got injured due to his reckless style.  Seems like the Nets problem was not including protection on their picks.  The article points out that once the BOS trade was extended to Garnett and 3 picks, it was hard for BKY to protect the picks, since there is a rule against trading away consecutive 1st rounders.  Plus it could have pushed the picks BOS would receive way into the distance, which would be unacceptable for the Celts. 

The pick swap which just netted BOS Tatum and a 1st rounder was a bad idea, but the Nets thought they'd be winning  and didn't care much about it.

Quote
Still, the trade nearly fell apart anyway because Garnett resisted waiving his no-trade clause. Although the parameters had been agreed upon early in the day, Garnett didn’t consent until near the end of the first round of the draft — and only after being convinced by Pierce and Kidd in phone conversations. Garnett’s inclusion turned out to be the killer for the Nets. If it were just for Pierce, they’d have given up one draft pick and spare parts.

But Garnett, who was physically shot at 37 years old, made it a complicated megadeal that required the addition of more players and picks. (Brooklyn sent Wallace, MarShon Brooks, Kris Humphries, Kris Joseph and Keith Bogans to the Celtics, who gave up Jason Terry with Garnett and Pierce).

So the Nets went all in for a 37 year old KG.
Of course, Deron getting fragile physically and mentally, plus Brook's injuries doomed them.  But there was no Plan B, no safety Net, no protection on the picks.

Then there was management dysfunction, with Kidd firing Frank then trying to oust the GM King, who was a big gambler. 

On paper, Deron - Joe J - Pierce - KG - Lopez looked formidable.
Bench: Livingston - Alan Anderson - Kirilenko - Blatche - Plumlee

The article also mentions that Blatche allegedly came to practices drunk at times.  Lopez only managed 17 games: KG just 6.5 Points.  And without Lopez, Deron couldn't handle the pressure.
They did win 44 games and a 1st round series.  So with Lopez . . .


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 15, 2018, 09:47:32 AM
More NBA Trivia.
10 players have averaged over 27 / 10 / 4 for a season.
Oscar and Elgin both did it 3 straight years from '61-63.
Wilt took over and did it in '64 & '66
Kareem did it 6 out of 7 years from '70 -'76 (5x for MIL, & 1st year for LA)

Antekoumpo is on pace to do it this year.

The question is who are the other 6 who have put up over 27/10/4?

Hint:
One did it in the 70's:  _____________
One in the 80's:          _____________
Two in the 90's:   ___________  &  ____________
One in the '00's:   _________________
One this decade:  __________________

So looking for guys who are big scorers, strong rebounders and pretty decent passers.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 15, 2018, 09:54:32 AM
I remember doing back flips when I heard about the PP-KG trade.

Bird's gotta be the 80s 27-10-4 guy.

gotta think about the other ones.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 15, 2018, 10:13:21 AM
WAG

Malone

Nowitski

Olajuwon

Westbrook


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 15, 2018, 01:13:04 PM
I dont know about this Q - but when you are done maybe you can tell em who was the last guy to do 16-10-5 and not make the All Star Game (Jokic).


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 15, 2018, 09:54:47 PM
More NBA Trivia.
10 players have averaged over 27 / 10 / 4 for a season.
Oscar and Elgin both did it 3 straight years from '61-63.
Wilt took over and did it in '64 & '66
Kareem did it 6 out of 7 years from '70 -'76 (5x for MIL, & 1st year for LA)

Antekoumpo is on pace to do it this year.

The question is who are the other 6 who have put up over 27/10/4?

Hint:
One did it in the 70's:  _____________

One in the 80's:         BIRD

Two in the 90's:   ___________  &  ____________

One in the '00's:   _________________

One this decade:   WESTBROOK


The 4 still out there are the more interesting guys ...
 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 15, 2018, 10:33:16 PM
Bird averaged over 4 assists every year.
Over 10 boards his first 6 seasons.
But over 27 points just 3 times.
And just his 6th year had the point/board combo (27/10)
Bird averaged 10 boards per for his career.

I also thought Olajuwon might have done it.
Turns out Dream only had 2 seasons over 27 Pts (slightly), and never had 4 assists (those two 27 pt years he was at 3.6 & 3.4 Assists)
He did have 2 seasons with over 4 Blocks, but that wasn't the question and those weren't in his 27 Pt years anyway.

DR. J did it his first 5 ABA seasons (his entire ABA career).
But never had 10 boards or 27 Pts in the NBA.
One NBA year he finished 26.9 PTs, 4x had over 4 assists, but was mostly around 7 NBA boards, with a high of 8.5.
in the ABA he averaged over 40 mpg; NBA around 34.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 15, 2018, 10:41:40 PM
I imagine Barkley did it at least once. Same for David Robinson.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 15, 2018, 11:10:52 PM
I dont know about this Q - but when you are done maybe you can tell em who was the last guy to do 16-10-5 and not make the All Star Game (Jokic).

And Jokic now makes HISTORY, recording a triple double in just 15 minutes tonight - quickest ever.

RUSS is pissed.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 16, 2018, 04:06:53 AM
2 More Down

The question is who are the other 6 who have put up over 27/10/4?

Hint:
One did it in the 70's:  _____________

One in the 80's:         BIRD

Two in the 90's:   BARKLEYROBINSON

One in the '00's:   _________________

One this decade:   WESTBROOK

Still 2 out there

One known as a sweet passing Big; the other a surprise to me.
Have to recall that 27 points is a lot, only a few guys manage that per year.
 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 16, 2018, 06:45:30 AM
I'm going to guess Cunningham or Barry for the 70s. But I suspect Barry missed in rebounds and Cunningham in the points. Same with Havlicek for rebounds.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 16, 2018, 06:48:12 AM
How about Chris Webber?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 16, 2018, 07:47:33 AM
its gotta be KAJ fpr the 70s, right?

sometimes that guy is forgetable


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 16, 2018, 08:16:32 AM
He gave us Kareem.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 16, 2018, 08:23:13 AM
oops yes he did.

My other WAG for the 70s were Big E or Bob McAdoo


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 16, 2018, 08:42:21 AM
I thought of those guys but thought they both were short, Hayes especially, in assists.Once he got the ball it wasn't coming back. Among my least favorite great players ever. He passed a little more on the Bullets but scored a little less. I guess it's possible.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 16, 2018, 08:45:25 AM
The question is who are the other 6 who have put up over 27/10/4?
Hint:
One did it in the 70's: McADOO

One in the 80's:         BIRD

Two in the 90's:   BARKLEY &  ROBINSON

One in the '00's:   WEBBER

One this decade:   WESTBROOK

Good job.
McAdoo and Webber.
Web was known as a passer, McAdoo as a scorer.
McAdoo did it for Buffalo and nearly did it for NY (I'd have to recheck but he had something like 26.9 PTs, 12 Boards and 3.9 Assists one year as a Knick).

Kareem did it 6x; Oscar and Elgin 3x; Wilt x2

I thought it was interesting that it was done 15 times from 1960 -76; but just 5x in the next 40 years (1977-2017).

Here's the link to the full answer (https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&season_start=1&season_end=-1&lg_id=NBA&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=N&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=27&c2stat=trb_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=10&c3stat=ast_per_g&c3comp=gt&c3val=4&order_by=ws), if anyone wants to look at it further


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 16, 2018, 09:03:35 AM
sounds like it correlates with the adoption of the 3-pt shot and the way it changed how the game is played


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 16, 2018, 09:05:15 AM
I decided to check 25/10/4.
That adds Karl Malone, Kevin Love, Cunningham & Boogie Cousins x2.

But the odd thing is last year Cousins put up 27.0, 11.0 & 4.6.
So he qualifies on the 27/10/4 but didn't turn up.
I'm assuming because he split his season between two teams after being traded.  Just a glitch in the basketballref system.
But his combined total for that year hits the marks.

So add DeMarcus Cousins to the 27/10/4 list, and the answer reported on ESPN was incomplete.

25 / 10 / 4 also adds 2 more season for Barkley; 2 more for Elgin and another for Kareem.
So at 25 / 10 /4:
Kareem = 7
Elgin = 5
Oscar & Barkley = 3
Wilt = 2
everyone else on the list = 1

Boogie is on pace to do 25/10/4 again this year.



If you look at 25 / 10 / 5 which I think is better at round numbers, and harder to do:
Oscar x 3
Wilt x 2
Elgin, Kareem, Bird, Barkley, Westbrook x1


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 16, 2018, 10:25:58 PM
LeBJ is up to 43,335 Reg Season minutes in his career.
4th among active players, and likely to catch geezers Joe J and Vince this year.  Then only Dirk at 50K ahead of him.

LBJ is already up to 22nd on the All-time minutes list.
(Melo's at 37,142, so another season from hitting 40K).
By the end of next year, LBJ will have caught Oscar, Olajuwon, NBA Moses and Parrish.

LBJ has been durable, mostly missing games for rest.
But he's playing 37 mpg at age 33.
And numerous years of very long playoff runs.

Maybe those young additions will help keep mins down the rets of this season.  But player are indestructible until something snaps in their bodies.  Just ask Kobe (though that was ridiculous how he already had 2 leg injuries in the game, before his Achilles popped).


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 17, 2018, 11:20:07 AM
I always thought one of the more amazing stats was Wilt's average of 48.5 minutes played per game in the 1961-62 season. He played all but 8 minutes in that season.

I'm reasonably sure that record may be unbreakable.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 17, 2018, 11:33:27 AM
And Wilt broke down after a while.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 17, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
Year after year, Wilts squeezed a lot of minutes out.

While he was not the player at 35 he was at 22, he may have been more bored than broken when he retired.

Eventually Father Time breaks down everyone's game game.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 17, 2018, 12:17:35 PM
Wilt could have played another 5 or 6 years. He was in freakish shape.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on February 17, 2018, 09:36:20 PM
Looks like Laura Ingraham has kicked the hornet’s nest...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/17/no-lebron-james-wont-shut-up-and-dribble-i-am-more-than-an-athlete/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/17/no-lebron-james-wont-shut-up-and-dribble-i-am-more-than-an-athlete/)

“Must they run their mouths like that? Unfortunately, a lot of kids — and some adults — take these ignorant comments seriously,” Ingraham said on her show Thursday night. “And it’s always unwise to seek political advice from someone who gets paid a hundred million dollars a year to bounce a ball.”


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 17, 2018, 11:39:16 PM
Someone commented that Fox & Ingraham have been fine with Ted Nugent, Curt Shilling etc. talking politics on her show, as long they are right and white...

Like MJ and Magic, LBJ has become a successful businessman, with a lot of investments and ventures.  

I wish LBJ and other well-known stars would speak out more.
They have the platform.  Hell, they could just urge everyone to vote.
That should be non-controversial, and would help Dems.

But really, use your voice while you have the fame and chance.
After retirement, people are less interested.
Kareem is pretty outspoken, but gets little to moderate attention.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 18, 2018, 01:54:55 PM
Got my first live look at Doncic yesterday.  Very impressive.

I could see Celtics dealing 2 number 1s and Brown to get into the top 3 to get this guy.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 18, 2018, 07:44:29 PM
kid

why don't you give us a summary of your live (in-person?) scouting of Doncic


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 18, 2018, 07:50:19 PM
yeah........Madrid is nice this time of year

Oh........the.............good life......!!!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 19, 2018, 10:02:13 AM
what kid is saying  is he had chicken and rice on Saturday night, called it arroz con pollo, and then googled Doncic on the interweb.

heh


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on February 20, 2018, 08:46:57 PM
yeah........Madrid is nice this time of year

Oh........the.............good life......!!!

Dammit! Ellipses, motherfucker, ellipses!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 23, 2018, 09:17:14 AM
3 teams have a pair of 10000 point for franchise scorers currently on their roster.
Name the three teams/six men.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 23, 2018, 08:03:53 PM
Scurry & Klay
Ma Gasol & Conley

Not sure on the 3rd, maybe Lowry & DeMar


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 23, 2018, 08:39:23 PM
Good job

Yeah. Missed the third one.

Kp and Tim in a few years

Heh


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 23, 2018, 09:54:55 PM
Forgot that Lowry played on HOU for 2 or 3 years.

Was just watching WAS get stomped by CHA and thought of Wall & Beal, but Beal hasn't been around long enough yet (or ben prolific enough).  Wiz looked like they had dead legs on a B2B.  Sloppy game.  No D from WAS.  Kemba played well.

No 3rd guess yet ...

I'm tempted to guess Westbrook & Collison (he's been there since Seattle days).  But he rarely plays.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 23, 2018, 10:04:52 PM
Pony Tarker & Manu

For some reason I initially misread the question and thought it had to be 3 guys with 10K+.  And I first thought of the Spurs pair but no 3rd guy.  Then when I understood the question I forgot about them.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on February 24, 2018, 04:50:52 AM
With all the turnover recently, there aren't that many other guys with 10K for the team they are currently on.

Off the top of my head:
Westbrook
Dirk
Harden
Lillard
Wall

LBJ (though most from his first stint)
Wade back on MIA after an interlude

Guys like Melo, Blake, Brook would have qualified last year.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on February 25, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
what kid is saying  is he had chicken and rice on Saturday night, called it arroz con pollo, and then googled Doncic on the interweb.

heh

lmao


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on February 27, 2018, 12:53:32 PM

“The White House is a great honor,” Thompson said, “but there are some other circumstances that we felt uncomfortable going. We’re not going to politicize anything. We’re going to hang out with some kids, and take them to the African American Museum, and hopefully teach them some things we learned along the way, and life lessons, and hopefully give them some great memories.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/02/27/klay-thompson-relays-plans-for-warriors-visit-to-african-american-museum-on-trip-through-d-c/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2018/02/27/klay-thompson-relays-plans-for-warriors-visit-to-african-american-museum-on-trip-through-d-c/)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 27, 2018, 01:20:25 PM
So Klay thinks its a black league?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on February 27, 2018, 01:30:32 PM
Not when Jimmer gets his shot!!!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on February 27, 2018, 05:28:56 PM
So Klay thinks its a black league?

What gives you that idea? The kids are from Kevin Durant’s neighborhood, that few white kids live there was a choice made by white people.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 03:24:57 AM
NBofA Trivia:

Quote
Larry Nance Sr. was at the game Monday, watching his son make the two of them just the fifth father-son duo in NBA history to score 20 points in a game for the same team, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, out of the 20 father-son duos to have played for the same franchise.

So who are the other 4 Father & Son duos to score 20 for the same team?

(I don't know the answer so will be guessing along with you)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 03:41:21 AM
I'm kind of amazed 20 father-son combos played for the same team.

I think I've got one, but i'll let some guessing go on first.

Tough Q ...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 06, 2018, 09:52:43 AM
yeesh!

off the top of my head I thought of about 6 F/S combos but I'm pretty sure or doubtful if they played for the same team



all WAGS

Jelly Bean and Kobe

Doc and Austin Rivers

Dell Curry and Boys

Mychal Thompson and Klay

Rick Barry and Boys

Bill and Luke Walton   


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on March 06, 2018, 10:01:52 AM
Did Jimmy Walker and Jalen Rose play for the same team?  Rose seemingly played for everyone, but I don't think he played for the Pistons. What about Dunleavys?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 11:08:06 AM
The only one I'm sure of is Rick & Jon Barry.  Because I checked.

I thought it'd be for the Warriors, where Jon played one year, but he topped out at 19 points.
Both played for HOU very late in their careers and scored over 20 there.

Dell didn't play for the Warriors.
Jellybean didn't play for Lakes.

There's been plenty of father son duos (Harvey Grant has two sons in the NBA right now.  Old timers like van Breda Koffs and Schayes, etc).
They key is playing for the same team, and playing well there.

Apparently 20 played for the same team.
And 5 scored 20 points for the same team.
1. Larrys Nance
2. Rick & Jon Barry
3.
4.
5.

Not an easy question ...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 11:17:44 AM
Fired up the old brain and came up with another pair.
Hint: the team they did it for: NY Knicks.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on March 06, 2018, 11:28:15 AM
What a great question.  Both Bibbys and Vandeweghes played for the Knicks.  None of them, I'd wager, averaged 20 ppg for them.   


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 11:30:33 AM
Ok, you got one.

5 Father & Sons scored 20 points for the same team.
1. Larrys Nance
2. Rick & Jon Barry
3. Doc & Austin Rivers
4.
5.

Doc came to NYK from LAC, where he spent one season.
Knix traded Marx Jax for an over 30 Doc who played one year in NY and then broke down.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 11:34:12 AM
20 points in a game, not per game.

1. Larrys Nance  (CLE)
2. Rick & Jon Barry  (HOU)
3. Doc & Austin Rivers  (LAC)
4. Ernie & Kiki Vandeweghe (NYK)
5.

I'll check on the Bibbys.
Edit: Mike played just 39 games in one season for NYK.  topped out at 16 points.  Broke down and retired.  Henry did it.  Didn't recall he was a Knick.

So one more still out there . . .


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on March 06, 2018, 11:54:52 AM
The Brewers?

Henry Bibby and Dean Meminger once had an incredible quarter in a playoff game.  When Holzman reinserted his starters. Frazier and Monroe, the Knicks crowd booed.  Holzman later on said "what did they think I was doing, putting in a couple of plumbers?"   One of the few signs that Holzman had a sense of humor.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 06, 2018, 01:38:05 PM
Bibby and Meminger were PITA against the Celts in the play-offs.

It was probably '73, Meminger was hitting bombs before the 3 was around.Guy got hot.

shoulda remembered Dolph and Danny Schayes.

And i don't think I knew Jalen's Rose's father was Jimmy Walker.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 04:25:50 PM
Ron (4 games) & Ronnie Brewer (2 seasons) both played for CHI, but neither had a 20 point game there.

For now, I'm stumped on the 5th ...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 05:01:00 PM
Just looked up the Mike Dunleavys.
Both played for the Bucks.
Mike Sr. topped out at 17 points.
He only played 36 games over 2 injury-filled MIL years (then retired for 3 years but  came back 2 seasons for a combined 7 games for MIL).
But he did have a 21 Point game in the Conference Finals G5 v. Bos in 1984.

So I'm assuming playoffs count and the Mike Dunleavies are the 5th father-son duo to score 20 or more for the same team.

1. Larrys Nance  (CLE)
2. Rick & Jon Barry  (HOU)
3. Doc & Austin Rivers  (LAC)
4. Ernie & Kiki Vandeweghe  (NYK)
5. Mike Dunleavys  (MIL -- playoffs for Sr.)


Here's a list of Father-Son Duos who played in the NBA:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_second-generation_National_Basketball_Association_players (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_second-generation_National_Basketball_Association_players)

I didn't know that Jae Crowder's father (Cory) had been in the NBA.
Also didn't know that Winslow's Dad was an NBAer.
And Luke Kornet's Pops played 89 games over 2 seasons with MIL.
 
Here's a follow-up Q I got from that list:

Which 4 Father & Son combos have both won an NBA title?

(one is quite hard)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 06, 2018, 05:07:45 PM
might as well get some use out of these

Quote
Mychal Thompson and Klay

Quote
Bill and Luke Walton


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 05:09:22 PM
That's a One.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 06, 2018, 05:17:19 PM
Revised answer:

1. Larrys Nance  (CLE)
2. Rick & Jon Barry  (HOU)
3. Doc & Austin Rivers  (LAC)
4. Ernie & Kiki Vandeweghe  (NYK)
5. Gerald Hendersons  (PHI)  - both with a high of exactly 20
&
Bonus
Mike Dunleavys  (MIL -- with Sr. scoring 20 in the playoffs, not reg season)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 06, 2018, 05:17:39 PM
I think thats two.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 07, 2018, 11:05:02 AM
Father/Son champions:

1. Waltons
2. Thompsons
3.
4.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on March 07, 2018, 11:21:09 AM
Rick and Brent Barry.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 07, 2018, 12:37:38 PM
The wiki link that Bo provided has the answer

the Goukas (Matt Sr and Jr)

and doing some more sleuthing they both won their only championships with Philly

the old man played only 1 season ('46-47 in the BAA the precursor to the NBA) and was an end of the bench guy.

I saw Jr play, he was ok, also a role-player a 2/3 off the bench guy but played 10 years in the NBA

his championship was with one of the all-time great teams, the '66-67 76ers.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on March 07, 2018, 12:44:06 PM
He was also Dr. J's last coach. 


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on March 07, 2018, 01:07:54 PM
Father/Son champions:

1. Waltons
2. Thompsons
3. Barrys (Rick & Brent)
4. Goukases

That last one was going to be awfully tough.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2018, 10:53:29 PM
NBA Playoff odds coming

Let's see what the good money spots are.




Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2018, 11:05:12 PM
Toronto -650
Washington +480


Boston -150
Milwaukee  +130


Philly  -550
Miami  +420


Cleveland  -650
Indiana  +480

------------------

Houston  -7000
Minnesota  +2000


Golden State  -1500
San Antonio  +900


Portland  -225
New Orleans  +190


OKC   -135
Utah   +115


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2018, 11:21:52 PM
Toronto series - no bet

Boston series  - 6X on Celts

Philly series - 3X on Sixers

Cavs series -  1X on Pacers

-----------

Houston series - no bet

Golden State series -  1X on Spurs

Blazers series -  no bet

OKC series - 3X on OKC


Bankshot will tell us how much I win.





Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 12, 2018, 11:31:28 PM
Toronto series - no bet

Boston series  - 6X on Celts

Philly series - 3X on Sixers

Cavs series -  1X on Pacers

-----------

Houston series - no bet

Golden State series -  1X on Spurs

Blazers series -  no bet

OKC series - 3X on OKC


Bankshot will tell us how much I win.





kid will not win anything as he is not wagering anything.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2018, 07:24:06 AM
Smart money go to smart endeavor.

- Confucius


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 13, 2018, 07:59:17 AM
(http://www.nba.com/sixers/sites/sixers/files/styles/story_main_photo/public/philaunite_blue-01.jpg?itok=i93yp38o)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 13, 2018, 10:12:53 AM
Philly is my "dark monster" team in the East, but I wonder if they have enough process in them to get by an experienced LBJ-Cavs.

Houston in the West.

Celts are vulnerable but I think they sneak by Bucks, but this look like a 7-game series

76ers over Miami

Cavs

Raptors

Cavs over Raptors

76ers over "wait til next year" Celts

Cavs over 76ers


Rockets

GS

NO

OKC

Rockets over OKC

GS over NO

Rockets over GS

Rockets over 76ers brainfart--Cavs)

The above is all subject to partisan hopes overtaking level headed analysis.

GO CELTS!l

edited: for brainfart





Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2018, 11:26:51 AM
Even minus Curry I think this may be Durant's year

Havent decided yet on Cavs-Raptors.  Leaning Toronto


Title: The RE-Aligned playoffs
Post by: Kam on April 13, 2018, 06:17:37 PM
1. Houston vs 16. Wash a ton
2. Toronto  vs 15. Milwaukee
3. GState   vs 14. Mya me
4. Boston  vs. 13. Minnesota eh
5. Phila      vs 12. Sam and Tony yo
6. The land vs 11. N'awlins
7. Po'land  vs. 10. Indiana
8. OKC      vs.  9. Utah

Quarterfinals:
Houston vs OKC/Utah
Toronto vs Portland
GState vs The Land
Sota vs Phila  (Towns v Embiid!)

Semifinals:
Houston vs Phila
GState vs Portland

Finals:
Houston vs GState


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 14, 2018, 05:00:17 AM
Misaligned, I think you mean.
We're getting better series across the board than all of that ...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on April 14, 2018, 05:31:47 AM
NBA TRivia:

Grant Hill is about to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
How many Duke players are currently in the HoF?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 14, 2018, 09:28:00 AM
NBA TRivia:

Grant Hill is about to be inducted into the Hall of Fame.
How many Duke players are currently in the HoF?

As its about 9:30AM, and the Naismith BB HoF does not open for another 30 minutes, I'd say there are no Duke players currently in the HoF.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on April 21, 2018, 11:29:52 PM
Misaligned, I think you mean.
We're getting better series across the board than all of that ...

Maybe in the EAST. But in the West what is currently the best series OKC-UTAH would have also been the matchup under re-alignment.
All the other West Series are yarners.  4-0, 3-0, Minnesota made a last dying grasp at life today to make things somewhat interesting 2-1.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2018, 05:29:14 PM
Toronto series - no bet

Boston series  - 6X on Celts

Philly series - 3X on Sixers

Cavs series -  1X on Pacers

-----------

Houston series - no bet

Golden State series -  1X on Spurs

Blazers series -  no bet

OKC series - 3X on OKC


Bankshot will tell us how much I win.





As bet I figure kid is +2.95 Xs to the good, with 2 wins 3 losses and 3 no calls in the 8 series.

Celts bailed him out.

I went 7-1, losing with OKC


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 30, 2018, 01:02:53 AM
Will check the odds later for the next round.

Pacers almost got us the bigger loot.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2018, 06:58:05 AM
Well, I think 4-1 is about the best that Pels and Jazz were going to do.  Both young teams learning the playoff ropes.  Did well to win RD 1, then KO'd in Rd 2.

So Rocks v. Warriors.
This is the playoff gem.
I'll go with GS's firepower, playoff experience, and continuity.
GS players just know what each other are going to do.  They've played hundreds of games together and can improvise well.
GS also has a formidable defense.

GS has a number of defenders they can throw at Harden -- Iggy, Klay, Dray.  I assume JaVale will be important to match Capela's length and  activity.  McGee didn't play at all in G5 v. NOP.  For some reason Kevon Lunatic played til he fouled out.  It will be interesting to see if Dray and JaVale can disrupt Harden's drives.  You can't take everything away from Harden (3's, drives, kickouts to 3pt shooters).  I think I'd sag just a little, take away Harden drives, and count on GS being able to win a 3-Pt shootout.  Though more likely they'll guard him like most other teams -- close at the 3-Pt line hoping he takes contested 3's, try not to foul on drives, try to rotate to kick-out shooters.  And use multiple defenders (which is a good strategy).
I'd stay home on the perimeter, which you can do if Harden isn't driving heavily) and let Harden try to outscore GS by himself.  Can't let Commissioner Gordon, Ariza or PJ beat you with 3's.

Then there's the issue of Harden on D.
They'll likely try to hide him on Iggy.
And Harden isn't as bad as he used to be.
But I'd screen Harden and put him in switches, force him to chase Scurry and especially Klay.  And Harden in foul trouble is death for HOU. 

As for CP3, make him go to the rack.  When outside he likes to pound and jack 3's, in the middle he likes to pound and shoot paint/FT line turnaround J's.  I know the spots he heavily favors.  Take those away, make him take it to the rack.  And since he likes to fade  around the FT line, guys like Livingston guarding 3-point shooters can block that from behind (once or twice) when he starts making his turnaround move.  Basically take CP3 out of his comfort zone and make him think.  And take away his 3's.

Ariza, PJ , Luc M&M allow HOU to pile defenders on Durant, though he can shoot over them.  But they can bully him within 14 feet.

As for Rockettes chances, this isn't such a deep GS team.  Pachulia is slow for guarding the Rocks and might prove useless.  he hasn't played much in the playoffs.  Quinn the Mighty Cook and Looney did well this season, but might not be up for such pressure.   Looney is a foul-a-thon and seems to think slowly at times, which HOU will kill.  And CP3 is too heady for Capt Cook.
So GS needs good contributions from bench mainstays Livingston I presume and West.  And Iggy needs to shoot open 3's.  Both teams switch a lot and GS can be prone to turnovers and sloppy passes, though that seems better so far this post-season.

And of course homecourt could be a big factor.
G7 would be in HOU.  HOU start at home and if they can hold serve, a 0-2 hole isn't easy for any team.  Both teams can go on big runs, which I think accentuates home court ad, as the momentum snowballs and seems harder to stop.  Best for GS if Home court isn't a big deal this series, and of course stealing 1 of 2 changes the dynamics heavily, and GS doesn't often lose 2 in a row.

I pick GS in 6.  But a G7 would be great.
Also, I think Harden and GS (and D'Antonio) still have to prove they can handle such a big stage.  A pressure which increases if GS wins one of the first 2 in HOU (which I expect).

Thoughts?
Predictions?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2018, 08:56:31 AM
Reading an article on SVG's tenure in DET.
And they mention that DET selected Kennard one spot ahead of Donny Mitchell.  Oops. 

What's worse is that Mitchell can play some point or help with ballhandling, which is useful since Reg Jax misses so many games.  Kennard actually shot 3's quite well and looks allright, but Mitchell has proved to be a significant talent, Wade-like imo, and his combo guard skills makes him a better fit in DET than just a 3-pt shooting SG.
I wonder if SVG would still have a job if they drafted Mitchell.

SVG had trouble conjuring a decent/solid bench.  Again a necessity given RegJax's frailty.  Of course speedier development from StanJohn would have helped too.   Drummond also hasn't progressed rapidly.  So some of that has to be on the coaching staff as well.

DET has some pieces, some holes.  The East isn't deep.  Kind of starting over on the treadmill it seems.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on May 09, 2018, 09:03:29 AM
Well, I think 4-1 is about the best that Pels and Jazz were going to do.  Both young teams learning the playoff ropes.  Did well to win RD 1, then KO'd in Rd 2.

So Rocks v. Warriors.
This is the playoff gem.
I'll go with GS's firepower, playoff experience, and continuity.
GS players just know what each other are going to do.  They've played hundreds of games together and can improvise well.
GS also has a formidable defense.

GS has a number of defenders they can throw at Harden -- Iggy, Klay, Dray.  I assume JaVale will be important to match Capela's length and  activity.  McGee didn't play at all in G5 v. NOP.  For some reason Kevon Lunatic played til he fouled out.  It will be interesting to see if Dray and JaVale can disrupt Harden's drives.  You can't take everything away from Harden (3's, drives, kickouts to 3pt shooters).  I think I'd sag just a little, take away Harden drives, and count on GS being able to win a 3-Pt shootout.  Though more likely they'll guard him like most other teams -- close at the 3-Pt line hoping he takes contested 3's, try not to foul on drives, try to rotate to kick-out shooters.  And use multiple defenders (which is a good strategy).
I'd stay home on the perimeter, which you can do if Harden isn't driving heavily) and let Harden try to outscore GS by himself.  Can't let Commissioner Gordon, Ariza or PJ beat you with 3's.

Then there's the issue of Harden on D.
They'll likely try to hide him on Iggy.
And Harden isn't as bad as he used to be.
But I'd screen Harden and put him in switches, force him to chase Scurry and especially Klay.  And Harden in foul trouble is death for HOU.  

As for CP3, make him go to the rack.  When outside he likes to pound and jack 3's, in the middle he likes to pound and shoot paint/FT line turnaround J's.  I know the spots he heavily favors.  Take those away, make him take it to the rack.  And since he likes to fade  around the FT line, guys like Livingston guarding 3-point shooters can block that from behind (once or twice) when he starts making his turnaround move.  Basically take CP3 out of his comfort zone and make him think.  And take away his 3's.

Ariza, PJ , Luc M&M allow HOU to pile defenders on Durant, though he can shoot over them.  But they can bully him within 14 feet.

As for Rockettes chances, this isn't such a deep GS team.  Pachulia is slow for guarding the Rocks and might prove useless.  he hasn't played much in the playoffs.  Quinn the Mighty Cook and Looney did well this season, but might not be up for such pressure.   Looney is a foul-a-thon and seems to think slowly at times, which HOU will kill.  And CP3 is too heady for Capt Cook.
So GS needs good contributions from bench mainstays Livingston I presume and West.  And Iggy needs to shoot open 3's.  Both teams switch a lot and GS can be prone to turnovers and sloppy passes, though that seems better so far this post-season.

And of course homecourt could be a big factor.
G7 would be in HOU.  HOU start at home and if they can hold serve, a 0-2 hole isn't easy for any team.  Both teams can go on big runs, which I think accentuates home court ad, as the momentum snowballs and seems harder to stop.  Best for GS if Home court isn't a big deal this series, and of course stealing 1 of 2 changes the dynamics heavily, and GS doesn't often lose 2 in a row.

I pick GS in 6.  But a G7 would be great.
Also, I think Harden and GS (and D'Antonio) still have to prove they can handle such a big stage.  A pressure which increases if GS wins one of the first 2 in HOU (which I expect).

Thoughts?
Predictions?

Will go with Golden State in 5. I think they're  ruthless and will take advantage of every cold-shooting streak Houston goes into. I also think that if you stay close to James Harden you'll beat James Harden.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2018, 09:50:08 AM
In my pre post-season picks I had Rockets beating the Warriors, but I may have to rethink that one.

And I'll have plenty of time to do so.

Damn shame we have to wait until next Monday for the series to kick-off.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2018, 10:05:01 AM
I had GS from the outset, so will stay with that.

The obvious X factor in all this is Chris Paul.

22-1 assist/to the last 2 games?  Wow.

I think I will take the Celtics next round if they push past Philly (My TOR pick is out).


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2018, 10:09:18 AM
Funny piece on how Celtics had to "start from scratch" this year

Great college coaches like Rick Pitino and John Calipari made the leap to the NBA and failed, but Stevens was different. Expectations have been high, but both he and his Celtics have continually exceeded them. A 2014-15 Celtics team that was supposed to tank ended up winning 40 games. They won 48 the following season. And in 2016-17, they had an above-average defense despite an undersized backcourt featuring Isaiah Thomas and made a run to the Eastern Conference finals. Then, after Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge blew up the roster last summer and left only four returning players, Stevens basically had to start from scratch.



Dude, come on.....

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/7/17326080/brad-stevens-celtics-sixers (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/7/17326080/brad-stevens-celtics-sixers)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2018, 10:11:45 AM
Of course Utah was down 2 PG's and was using a rookie SG at the Point, with huge offensive responsibilities, by the end of things.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
I remember posting that this would be a good test for the "how good is Stevens" to see how with just 4 carryovers from last year, he would put together a strong team with so many new players and rookies.

and then his key FA signing, Hayward, goes down 5 minutes into the season.

And he has to rejigger those months of planning on the fly.

I'm not sure what your problem is kid.

was there something else in the article (not read yet) that is outrageous?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on May 09, 2018, 10:33:13 AM
Funny piece on how Celtics had to "start from scratch" this year

Great college coaches like Rick Pitino and John Calipari made the leap to the NBA and failed, but Stevens was different. Expectations have been high, but both he and his Celtics have continually exceeded them. A 2014-15 Celtics team that was supposed to tank ended up winning 40 games. They won 48 the following season. And in 2016-17, they had an above-average defense despite an undersized backcourt featuring Isaiah Thomas and made a run to the Eastern Conference finals. Then, after Celtics president of basketball operations Danny Ainge blew up the roster last summer and left only four returning players, Stevens basically had to start from scratch.



Dude, come on.....

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/7/17326080/brad-stevens-celtics-sixers (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/5/7/17326080/brad-stevens-celtics-sixers)
I think Stevens getting the absolute max out of guys like Thomas, Jai Crowder, and, God help us, Evan Turner, is a real testament to him.   


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2018, 10:37:04 AM
eh..................

I thought Crowder was a developing player for Rick Carlisle.

Stevens afforded Jae more minutes

Thomas?  Come on, man.

I guess I will give you Turner, who I always told you was capable.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2018, 10:41:32 AM
that's not much of a rebuttal kid.

what is it about Stevens coaching that leaves you cold?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2018, 10:50:25 AM
Dude - stop trying to create disharmony

I am the biggest Stevens fan there is.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on May 09, 2018, 10:52:37 AM
Heh.  "I am the biggest Stevens fan there is" is the basketball equivalent of "I am the least racist person you have ever interviewed."


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2018, 10:59:09 AM
Dude - stop trying to create disharmony

I am the biggest Stevens fan there is.

kid asking you a question about one of your posts is not creating disharmony, its asking you a question to get a fuller picture of your opinion.

Its called having a conversation.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2018, 11:05:14 AM
I remember posting that this would be a good test for the "how good is Stevens" to see how with just 4 carryovers from last year, he would put together a strong team with so many new players and rookies.

and then his key FA signing, Hayward, goes down 5 minutes into the season.

And he has to rejigger those months of planning on the fly.

I'm not sure what your problem is kid.

was there something else in the article (not read yet) that is outrageous?

Nah, just the "start from scratch" part for now.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 09, 2018, 02:23:24 PM
I was impressed with the energy, toughness and effectiveness of Royce O'Neale.  24 year old undrafted rook who finds himself guarding Harden in the 2nd round. playing nearly double his season ave. minutes and shooting 54% FG for the series, mainly on rim attacks.
Nice job.
Who would you want on your team, Royce or RodHoodwinker?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 10, 2018, 04:24:06 AM
At no point did I think PHI was going to win that game.  Maybe lose in OT if they were lucky.  BOS was just getting to loose balls and playing smarter and smoother.  Embiid needs to lock in better.  Those 3-point shots belong in the regular season.  Make a layup.  Don't get stripped. 

The problem for PHI was Simmons was largely ineffective (team worse -13), but McConnell was mostly used in a spot-up Belinelli role, because if TJ plays PG, what does Simmons do, since he can't shoot.

Covington had one very good game (22 Pts & 9 Boards in G2) and stunk the rest of the series (a combined 12 Pts on 3-26 FG, inc 2-17 on 3's).  Really a bad performance from a guy who should have been the glue.  He also seemed to fumble rebounds and loose balls.  Hell, Cov might be the reason PHI lost.  And he was going up against similar players in Tatum and Jaylen and had his lunch money stolen.

The op was there to win the series and move on, and PHI was just too young, too sloppy, too mentally fragile at times to take it.  Some of those turnover passes were just awful and inexcusable).  Good year to build from. 

'6ers actually have quite a deep team, but Brown didn't use Holmes (a human bowling ball, like a bigger Smart), Amir, Anderson, or that #1 overall pick whose name escapes me.  Sure, playoff rotations usually tighten, but Holmes was an effective, tough 16 min a night reg season performer.  I assume Brown went with Ilya over Holmes and Amir for the 3-point shooting, again part of Simmons' negative gravity.  Justin Anderson got 3 mins in G5 and looked a little chunky, but upped the intensity.  TLC is another intense mix-it-up dude who was forgotten.
Not arguing for all of them, but I would have played Holmes and Fultz for sure.  And situationally, either Anderson or TLC to exert pressure.
BOS was playing with a lot of missing parts and using a deeper bench and fresh legs might would have worked.

Otherwise pretty terrific game from Smart.  Who had a key rebound putback around the 1 min mark, and got a late key turnover on Saric who got too obsessed with ramming over the strong little dude.  Sometimes you have to realize that the smaller guy isn't budging easily, and just pause, gather and shoot over the top.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 10, 2018, 04:28:37 AM
If I were running CLE my opening move of the conference finals would be to waive Rod Hood right now.  Send a goddamn message that everyone on the team is pulling together.  Be a ballsy statement move and rally the players together.  Would also encourage Clarkson and Osman who would benefit from some free extra minutes.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 10, 2018, 05:14:53 AM
Other quick thoughts:
Jaylen looked great in the 3Q.
Al Horford as your savvy vet is a few levels better than JJ Redick as your savvy vet.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2018, 10:00:35 AM
Quote
At no point did I think PHI was going to win that game

After watching Philly fight back in the 3rd qtr to get back into the game, and turned a Celts double-digit lead to 1 as the 4th qtr started, a possible Game 6 crossed my mind.

And when the 76ers took leads during the 4th qtr, the possibility became more real.

And when with 2 minutes left the 76ers had a 4-point lead, the momentum and the ball, I asked myself " I wonder what time tip-off is for the game in Philly?"

but in the end, "Never in doubt"

heh


As to all the possible adjustments to turn a 5-game Celtic win into a 76ers victory?

that's a lot of 2nd guessing, and I'm good at 2nd guessing, but for a team like the 76ers, who entered the series as winner of 20 of their last 21 games, they kind of had  their go to list of what works well and what they want to stay away from.

IMO the big adjustments was giving minutes to McConnell at Covington's expense, and using Saric and the mismatch in the paint.

Going into this series I thought 76ers in 6, as the Celts were down to many bodies, and had no good answer Embiid, (still don't) and not enough Celts could find their own points. I respected Simmons, but I had an idea he could be neutralized as he doesn't have a good outside shot. But the Embiid mismatch was not so easily neutralized.

shout out to Aaron Baynes who may have been the unsung hero of this series, taking on Embid and making that series mismatch competitive. Baynes played great D and made the paint just messy enough and IMO wore down Embiid.

But on celts getting their points, I was dead wrong. Tatum showed up and continued to grow, and did not play like a rookie, (I wonder if kid is still counting his 20 point games? whats he got now 7 in a row?) Jaylen Brown was an assassin, and Rozier ripped through the Philly D, And average Al, was a rock, who never really foud his 3-point stroke, but found his mismatchs down low and provided  leadership and calm in a storm.

and Smart? he doesn't fill-up a box score, except he makes plays.

In the end, the grittier and tougher (mentally) and more discciplined team won that series.

As a Celtic fan, I'm really proud of that team.


Now its the Cavs and LBJ, a long time foe, best player in the NBA, and killer of dreams.

GO CELTS.

I think they got a chance


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 01:54:09 PM
If I were running CLE my opening move of the conference finals would be to waive Rod Hood right now.  Send a goddamn message that everyone on the team is pulling together.  Be a ballsy statement move and rally the players together.  Would also encourage Clarkson and Osman who would benefit from some free extra minutes.

I dont think this is a wise use of an asset.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 10, 2018, 02:53:44 PM
Sit Malcolm Butler. Send a message!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2018, 02:59:10 PM
Sit Malcolm Butler. Send a message!

heh

a mystery that will likely remain unsolved

JFC


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 06:54:14 PM
CAVS installed as huge favorite (-275) vs CELTICS


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 06:55:45 PM
SO...

Should Celts lose this round, is all really so rosy?

I still say jury is out on the 2 trades and the Gordo signing.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2018, 07:01:42 PM
Why would losing this round, without Irving and Hayward, mean anything about the rosiness of their future? Did the Sixers losing mean their future isn't so rosy?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2018, 07:36:06 PM
Not to be disharmonius, and to second yank, why would losing to a huge favorite be indicative of anything, after having just defeated a bigger huger favorite? (Philly was -375 to win the series).

I assume the 2 trades you refer to are 1) the KI trade and the 2) draft swap with the 76ers


Koach perhaps you could discuss the 2 trades after year 1 and what you expect from the major participants in the near-future

The Hayward trade can be given an incomplete, but unless you are privy to his medical data, I think it only fair to assume he returns as roughly the same player as he was before he got injured.

If you need an additional blue-book, just ask the proctor.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 09:39:43 PM
Why would losing this round, without Irving and Hayward, mean anything about the rosiness of their future?

Certainly looks ROSIER (by leaps and bounds) if they do get to the final

So yeah, losing to Cavs factors into the overall visage.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 09:41:48 PM
Sixers?

Yes, of course their future is not set in stone.

Simmons appeared a choker of sorts, Embiid a bit of a knucklehead.

Will be interesting to see the changes, if any (inc. the coach).  Same with Toronto.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2018, 09:56:57 PM
Why would losing this round, without Irving and Hayward, mean anything about the rosiness of their future?

Certainly looks ROSIER (by leaps and bounds) if they do get to the final

So yeah, losing to Cavs factors into the overall visage.
Why? You just said the same thing. A loss means they've lost to the best player in the world without their two most accomplished players.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2018, 10:04:42 PM
Come on koach give us something interesting.

Yes winning the ECF would put a rosy glow on all things Green. If the Celts get to the championships this year, given the Hayward/KI short bench situations it will be a year or two ahead of most ETAs and most reasonable people would probably see it as an over achievement.

And losing always sucks, but the level of disappointment if the Celts were to lose in a well contested series (6-7 games), would be modest.

So rather than dwell on a truism, If you feel capable, why don't you discuss the trades you believe the jury remains undecided on, including the major players. KI/IT/Crowder, and Tatum/Fultz.  


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 10:42:44 PM
Why would losing this round, without Irving and Hayward, mean anything about the rosiness of their future?

Certainly looks ROSIER (by leaps and bounds) if they do get to the final

So yeah, losing to Cavs factors into the overall visage.
Why? You just said the same thing. A loss means they've lost to the best player in the world without their two most accomplished players.

Careful....

Bank'll be all over you for casting Gordo over J-Tates


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 10:44:47 PM
Bank - I am sure you can imagine the team if Celts had drafted Ball and not dealt for Kyrie.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2018, 10:47:44 PM
Come on kid explain your opinion.

as to Gordo and Tatum, absent any new info I expect they'll be complementary and work just fine together next year.

But enough of your playing dodge ball

or is this just more empty Koach's hot takz?

SSDD


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2018, 10:51:43 PM
Bank - I am sure you can imagine the team if Celts had drafted Ball and not dealt for Kyrie.



And I can imagine if Pitino's Celtic's got lucky and ended up with Tim Duncan instead of Chauncey Billups.

I've got a great imagination, there are lots of possibilties, but the Celts wanted and drafted Tatum.

More dodge ball from Koach.



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2018, 10:56:43 PM
Should be a very good team

Of course "very good" is not what they are after.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2018, 11:04:16 PM
and thanks for playing koach

we have some lovely parting gifts

the home edition of Dodge Ball


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 11, 2018, 01:23:55 AM
If I were running CLE my opening move of the conference finals would be to waive Rod Hood right now.  Send a goddamn message that everyone on the team is pulling together.  Be a ballsy statement move and rally the players together.  Would also encourage Clarkson and Osman who would benefit from some free extra minutes.

I dont think this is a wise use of an asset.

Hood will be an RFA and looking to cash in.  Probably hoping some sucker team offers the MLE.  Cavs have the highest payroll and unlikely to bring him back (especially if he gets any kind of decent offer).  So he's only a Cav "asset" for the next two rounds, and so far these playoffs he's been a liability.  Not a guy you can trust.  I wouldn't be giving him minutes.  So he's totally expendable.  Harsh, but play the guys who you can count on and trust.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 01:44:37 AM

You have Lebron staying?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 11, 2018, 02:59:16 AM
LeBron does what I tell him to do.

Cavs have
Geo Hill at $20M
JEarl $15M
Jordan Clarkson $12.5M
All 3 with 2 more years left.

Korver and Osman combined for $10M is quite a bargain.

So they're not going to sign RodHood, unless they move say Clarkson and JEarl, and at those prices who's buying?



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 07:37:25 AM
Whats the cap figure?

LBJ leaving would have Cavs at just over 100 mil without Hood.

https://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/ (https://hoopshype.com/salaries/cleveland_cavaliers/)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 07:39:12 AM
Zizic (one to watch), Nance, Korver and Osman make about 14 .5 combined.

Not too bad.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 08:00:39 AM
Cavs would of course need to replace LBJ, Green and Calderon

Lots of work to do there.

Osman and Nance take some of those minutes

Hood could take much of LeBron's or they go in another direction

Cheap backup pg surely added


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 12:03:44 PM
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/pau-gasol-becky-hammon/ (https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/pau-gasol-becky-hammon/)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2018, 12:24:10 PM
Thanks for posting that article.

I'm in.

IMO Gasol made a compelling case.

How about you kid, if Pau is good with a woman at the helm of an NBA team, are you?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 12:41:39 PM
To me, this is a just firing

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775015-dwayne-casey-fired-as-toronto-raptors-head-coach-after-7-seasons?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2775015-dwayne-casey-fired-as-toronto-raptors-head-coach-after-7-seasons?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial)

Just the way it went down at playoff time......


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2018, 01:15:00 PM
Breaking up is hard to do.

Losing to LBJ in the real season shouldn't be fireable, but if Casey lost the clubhouse, (no idea if thats the case) maybe he had to be fired.

a 59-win team shouldn't get swept.

IIRC, Celts got swept by the Bucks in '83, and it cost Fitch his job. (Fitch was a dick, and reportedly pissed off the team)

Celts bounced back in '84 under the steady hand of KC Jones.

Casey like Fitch will be snapped up.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 11, 2018, 01:15:05 PM
I don't know.  I'm not really a Casey fan, but how far are you going to go when DeRozan is your best player?  While Lowry has never been much of a playoff performer.  Ibaka is erratic.  Etc.
Love the depth they have and Casey did a good job molding the bench unit.  And the FVV injury hurt them some.
If WAS was healthy -- Wall in top condition and Porter not ailing -- I think Wiz could've taken them.
We'll see who the next coach is and what they can do.


So how many coaches were fired this off-season?
NY, ATL, DET, CHA, TOR -- that's 5 ... any others?
And if you add in the ones let go during the season, perhaps a historic changeover.  PHX & MIL also looking for Mr. Goodcoach.
NY & CHA with new hires.
At least 5 positions open.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 02:05:12 PM


IIRC, Celts got swept by the Bucks in '83, and it cost Fitch his job. (Fitch was a dick, and reportedly pissed off the team)



Everything aint about the Celts, pal.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 02:10:09 PM
I don't know.  I'm not really a Casey fan, but how far are you going to go when DeRozan is your best player?  While Lowry has never been much of a playoff performer.  Ibaka is erratic.  Etc.




We shall SEE how it goes with the same group back and a new chief

Could be some changes.  One piece on the matter:

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23445260/four-toronto-raptors-trades-see-demar-derozan-more-nba (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23445260/four-toronto-raptors-trades-see-demar-derozan-more-nba)



Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2018, 02:11:30 PM
Thanks for posting that article.

I'm in.

IMO Gasol made a compelling case.

How about you kid, if Pau is good with a woman at the helm of an NBA team, are you?

Big Hammon fan from back in the day


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2018, 02:54:16 PM


IIRC, Celts got swept by the Bucks in '83, and it cost Fitch his job. (Fitch was a dick, and reportedly pissed off the team)



Everything aint about the Celts, pal.

Just relating a like firing in the ealy '80s of a succesful coach who's team was swept in the play-offs.

Probably before your time


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 12, 2018, 06:08:04 AM
Guess which country int'l draft prospect Abudushalamu Abudurexiti is from?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 12, 2018, 06:22:22 AM
All EuroLeague Team 2018:

1st Team:                       2nd Team:
Nick Calathes                  Kevin Pangos
Nando de Colo                 Sergio Rodríguez
Luka Doncic                    Vassilis Spanoulis
Tornike Shengelia            Alexey Shved
Jan Veselý                       Paulius Jankanas

Lotta NBA washouts, one top prospect and 2 guys I never heard of.
Not impressive.  Who had the best NBA career?  Shved or Sergio?


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2018, 10:26:55 AM
Philly is my "dark monster" team in the East, but I wonder if they have enough process in them to get by an experienced LBJ-Cavs.

Houston in the West.

Celts are vulnerable but I think they sneak by Bucks, but this look like a 7-game series

76ers over Miami

Cavs

Raptors

Cavs over Raptors

76ers over "wait til next year" Celts

Cavs over 76ers


Rockets

GS

NO

OKC

Rockets over OKC

GS over NO

Rockets over GS

Rockets over 76ers brainfart--Cavs)

The above is all subject to partisan hopes overtaking level headed analysis.

GO CELTS!l

edited: for brainfart





10-2 going into Final Four.

Shoulda been 11-1, but let head rule heart.

I'm re-thinking my Conference Finals picks

Upon more sober reflection, I'm having a hard time getting to a Rockets series win. I won't bore you (now) with details,  GS in 6

And screw it, tossing sobriety aside, I'm going with irrational exuberance, blind faith, luck of the Irish, and using my birthday wish, can see through the misty mist, in a twisting turning defensive nail-biting battle for the ages, the Celts defeat the King of Akron, his knights, minions and court jesters, (the sons of Mendy Rudolph) in a magnificent 7 gamer.

Which coincidently is what the Celts rotation is basically down to.

I'm posting this before I change my mind.

Right now I need more coffee.

GO CELTS!


(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61PT69ciXGL._SX425_.jpg)


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 12, 2018, 11:31:14 AM
All EuroLeague Team 2018:

1st Team:                       2nd Team:
Nick Calathes                  Kevin Pangos
France Nando de Colo      Sergio Rodríguez
Luka Don?i?                    Vassilis Spanoulis
Tornike Shengelia            Alexey Shved
Jan Veselý                       Paulius Jank?nas

Lotta NBA washouts, one top prospect and 2 guys I never heard of.
Not impressive.  Who had the best NBA career?  Shved or Sergio?


Check yourself on "NBA washout" vs "guy who preferred to play in Europe".


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 12, 2018, 12:46:13 PM
Shengelia = total washout.
Vesely = complete mess
Calathes = 2 nondescript Griz seasons (couldn't make a 3 or FT)

SHved = awful for Minny, traded a bunch, best was a 16 game stint for NYK
Spanoulis = disaster in one season under JVG in HOU; poster child for Euro-guards don't translate.  Preferred Euroland when he couldn't get minutes in the NBofA

Sergio = iffy backup PG who even returned to the NBA after being top-drawer in Euroland.  Failed again.
De Coca Cola = didn't play much in parts of 3 seasons.  Did okayish.  Left.

Looks like 7 washouts, a draft prospect and two unknowns to me.
Spanoulis is 35, kind of old for all-league honors, esp. as a PG.
Vesely was terrible in the NBA, be interesting to see what he looks like now to get tabbed.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 12, 2018, 03:55:59 PM
Well documented that Nick Calethes chose to play in Greece.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 12, 2018, 04:34:44 PM
Vesely is a Kirilenko type who  could come back now to the NBA

Played pro at 17


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: thebizneverloses on May 12, 2018, 11:52:51 PM
He was terrible in the NBA, but I recall you pumping his tires back when he was in the L.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 13, 2018, 12:49:21 PM
I call b.s. on Sergio as well

I think you should state "they wouldn't be NBA all stars.  We could be ok with that


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 13, 2018, 01:09:49 PM
Sergio had the best NBA career of the lot, which I think proves my point as his NBA career was underwhelming.

Not NBA all-stars is like saying Donald Trump won't be canonized for sainthood.
Wouldn't be NBA starters is even extremely generous.
Most of them wouldn't see NBA minutes.
Marginal bench guys, who become all-Euroleague players.

I found the list fairly shocking.
But maybe part of the reason is the best Euros have been scooped up and play in the NBA.  Giannis, KZ, Gasols, Nurkic, Jokic, Capela, Kanter, Valanciunas, Tony Parker, Bogdanovich, Batum, Dirk, Shroder, whoever I'm forgetting . . .


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 13, 2018, 06:35:22 PM
Next topic.

Clearly you are blocked.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 16, 2018, 05:25:08 PM
LeBron head injury changes series.

Discuss.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 20, 2018, 01:34:25 AM
LeBron head injury changes series.

Discuss.

Seemed fine in G3

or did you think they were a lock to win G2 before the inadvertent elbow/Charging foul by LBJ


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 21, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
So I went all day without finding out who won G3 of GS-HOU.
Catching a replay now.
But before that I caught the 4Q of the EuroLeague championship game between Real Madrid and Fenerbahce Istanbul.

Jan Vesely was a disaster for Turkey.  Missed a layup off a nice inside feed.  The announcers moaned about him not dunking.  Then he committed some foul I missed that gave Madrid 2 FT's and the ball. 
Turned it over and then fouled out.  Announcers said it just wasn't his night and that he can be foul prone and it's a way to take him out of the game.  They said he's usually the leader for his team.

The other stroke of luck.  I got to watch Luca Doncic.  He had a pretty poor, shaky 4Q. 
The Good:
He got one tough rebound between two opps, pushed up court hard all the way, missed the layup but got fouled.  That was good, though the layup was makeable.  He made most of his FT's (5 of 6 I think).  And his defense was solid.  Good positioning to block a potential drive without straying too far from his man.  And didn't let a guy his size get position trying to post up.  He bumped him form behind, slid around and fronted, and they had to give up on entering into the post.
The Bad:
He is not an NBA Point.
He'd bring the ball up and turn his back one or steps inside the halfcourt line when nominal pressure occurred.  Doncic threw 2 passes away.  This was a 10 point lead by RM, and they got sloppy and choky and it got down to 3 Pts in the final minute.  They had 3 Doncic led possessions from the 5 to 3 min mark which ended with the shot clock dwindling.  Twice had to jack long 3's.  Doncic nearly made his.  When he was trapped he wasn't able to pass out, got fouled twice and turned it over once.  He's not quick with his dribble and more forced himself against his defender. 

Overall, he's just 19.  And was asked to do a lot.  Sergey Llull was helping with PG duties, but fouled out around the 5 min mark.  He has a solid frame, can dribble okay, looks to pass.  But he's not quick, didn't handle pressure well, didn't do much well at all on offense, except FT's.  Doncic wasn't the only RM player to get shaky down the stretch.  Some guy JC Carroll was a 97.4% Ft's shooter and went 1 of 2 (down to 95% after that).  Another guy missed both of his FT's after that, but a RM player got the rebound and put it back.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 21, 2018, 01:22:29 PM
So I'm enjoying the NBATv replay.  GS up by 12 with 2:20 left and they cut to a live press conference of Buttonholer being introduced as the new Bucks coach.  Shit, I didn't even watch the Fizz introduction.  Hope I'm going to get the rest of the game in full.  Though it's getting late here.  Dang ...


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
So I'm enjoying the NBATv replay.  GS up by 12 with 2:20 left and they cut to a live press conference of Buttonholer being introduced as the new Bucks coach.  Shit, I didn't even watch the Fizz introduction.  Hope I'm going to get the rest of the game in full.  Though it's getting late here.  Dang ...

The Game is Over!


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 21, 2018, 01:50:04 PM
Hey it wasn't easy to go all day without hearing who won.
Farkin' Buttholer press conference screwed me up.  NBA Tv returns to the game with 5 mins left in the 3Q and GS up 19.  Then Scurry bombs in a long 3.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2018, 02:05:56 PM
Just trying to save you from watching a crappy blowout.

None of the games in either conference have been decided by fewer than 13 points.

So much for drama.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 21, 2018, 02:35:04 PM
Takeaways:
Nick Young plays surprisingly good on ball D.  Against Harden and CP3.
And against Gordon in the earlier games.  He moves his feet well and gets in front of where they want to go.

GS continues to stay home on Capela and not let him get lobs or too many rebounds.
Tucker & Ariza combined for 12 Pts, 4 To's & 6 Fouls.
GS had 4 turnovers with time left in the 1Q, and finished with just 8.
A bunch of bad passes and plain lost balls by HOU = 19 Turns.

HOU finished the 1Q terribly, something like a 12-3 run by GS.
And never recovered.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: bodiddley on May 21, 2018, 02:42:43 PM
As for Look-a-Donkey:

Quote
It was not Doncic's finest performance of the season in a stagnant, physical and at times ugly affair, but he played an instrumental role regardless

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Doncic played the entire fourth quarter until fouling out with 39 seconds left, again playing more minutes than anyone on Real Madrid. He was asked to handle the ball and play point guard for virtually every moment he was on the floor. He struggled at times with the size and athleticism of Fenerbahce, the best defensive team in the Euroleague, but also showed remarkable poise and confidence in a nervous and often sloppy game that was played almost strictly in the half court. Doncic's size, strength, ballhandling and knack for drawing fouls proved invaluable, and his team almost collapsed in the final minute after he was disqualified.

He wasn't poised.  Had lots of trouble with double teams, plus 2 bad passes.  The FT's saved him from having a poor 4Q.  And RMadrid was fraying and falling apart before Doncic fouled out.  Even the foul out was questionable as he took a foul intentional to stop a layup, but then was gone.

It was a stagnant sloppy game,  And RM did a poor job of handling the pressure late, and nearly blew a 10 point lead.  I only saw one quarter of play, but Doncic looked like a 6'8" Dellevadova.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2018, 03:02:54 PM
6'8" Dellavadova sounds like a good thing.

Like imagine a 6'5 Nate Robinson?  That would be awesome.


Title: Igoudala Injury Changes the Series
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2018, 07:11:16 PM
Discuss


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 21, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
Iguodola injury changes the series gives another Warrior the chance to shine.

Fixed.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: Kam on May 21, 2018, 08:02:16 PM
Iguodola injury changes the series gives another Warrior the chance to shine.

Fixed.

Igoudala's defense is not easily replaced by just any another warrior.


Title: Re: NBA
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 21, 2018, 09:18:07 PM
Cavs with MORE TRISTAN THOMPSON

Yes!