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Title: NCAA
Post by: Admin on April 15, 2007, 09:35:56 PM
Will the Gators repeat?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: luee on May 21, 2007, 07:51:21 AM
Locally SHU wins the recruiting battle for Mike Davis.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=440#S=440&F=1337&T=535937
BIG EAST RECRUITING UPDATE: SETON HALL

May 16, 2007

COMMITMENT ALERT: Mike Davis, PF/C from NYC


2007-2008 Projected Roster

Seniors: Brian Laing (G/F), Jamar Nutter (G)
Juniors: Paul Gause (G), Austin Okosun (C)
Sophomores: Eugene Harvey (PG), Larry Davis (SG), John Garcia (C/F)
Freshmen: Michael Glover (F), Jeremy Hazell (G/F), Brandon Walters (BF/C), Chris Smith (G), Mike Davis (PF/C)


While many in the world of college basketball have been fixated on the recruiting battles for Jai Lucas and Patrick Patterson as the late signing period came to a close, the fans of the New Jersey Big East schools were closely following the back and forth battle waged by Seton Hall and Rutgers for Mike Davis. According to Jerry Carino's Hoops Haven blog, it looks as a winner was finally crowned as Davis is Headed to the Hall.


Read More...Click 'Read More' Below!!!


Bobby Gonzlazez, the tireless recruiter that he is, added a 6th member to his 2007 recruiting class by getting the long awaited commitment of Mike Davis, the 6'9 BF/C originally from NYC who has bounced around to four different schools since being expelled from Xaverian as a junior. Davis, who at one time looked like he could join the program sometime this January when he finally fulfilled his high school graduation requirements, finally becomes an official member of the SHU recruiting class after a late charge by Fred Hill and Rutgers that took this story right to the end. Davis is another 6'9 230 lb big man that has the ability to run the floor. The big lefty has solid post moves and offers a little more of a low-block game to Walters, so they could compliment each other well. Davis was a top-150 level recruit, but he has bounced around from class to class so much that he could give the Pirates a little more of a lift due to his advanced age than a normal top-150 big man prospect in his first season.

Davis joins Chris Smith, Brandon Walters, Austin Okosum, Michael Glover and Jeremy Hazell in the Pirate recruiting class. Smith committed to SHU a little over a week ago and is the younger brother of former Lakewood High School and St. Benedict’s Prep standout J.R. Smith, who plays for the NBA’s Denver Nuggets. Smith averaged a team-high 18.8 points, 5.3 rebounds, 4.9 assists and 2.8 steals for the St. Ben's prep team last year (the Gray Beed field two teams). He can fill in at both guard spots and should be able to spell Eugene Harvey, whom Smith played with at St. Benedict's for a season, at the point next season. Walters was the 4th member of Bobby Gonzalez's 2007 recruiting class and also signed his letter of intent this spring. The NYC product from PSAL power Lincoln made his choice to be a Pirate last winter. Walters is a 6'9 BF/C with a solid skill set and enough athleticism to be a good shot-blocker and rebounder in the Big East. He is one of those players you feel has his best basketball ahead of him if he can consistently put forth the effort on the floor and the determination to improve in practice. At 6'9 and 220 lbs, he brings much needed size to the Pirate roster and he is athletic enough to fit in the style that coach Gonzalez wants to bring to the floor with SHU.

Seton Hall previously signed Okosum, Glover and Hazell last fall. Last summer Bobby Gonzalez gained a commitment for the class of 2007 when Nigerian JUCO prospect Austin Okosum committed to Bobby Gonzalez and the Pirates. As a freshmen, Okosum played at NAIA school Georgetown College in Kentucky. Georgetown College is usually a popular place for Division 1-A transfers. Okosum joined Michael Glover in the 2007 recruiting class. Glover is a native of NYC whose older brother played for St. John's in the Big East. Glover is a solid athlete that competes with a high intensity level. A little under-sized for a PF, Glover relishes that disadvantage to bang away inside and is playing for a talented American Christian Academy. The other member of the class is sharp-shooting Jeremy Hazell, regarded as one of the best shooters in the prep ranks this year. Playing for a loaded Patterson School, Hazell has prozen to be a very solid recruit with his play this fall. Also, sharp-shooting prep school wing Jeremy Hazell committed earlier in the process to Seton Hall. Hazell is regarded as one of the best deep threats in the perp ranks in the class of 2007 and will be a nice lift on the perimeter for Bobby Ganzalez's style of play.

Due to the transfer earlier this spring of Kashif Pratt, the Pirates do have another scholarship open, but they'd be wise to hold on and get moving on the talented 2008 local class. They will be looking for some scoring help in the class with the graduated of Brian Laing and Jamar Nutter and more size would be welcomed as well.

http://bebballreportshu.blogspot.com/2007/05/big-east-recruiting-update-seton-hall_16.html




"I came here to get us back to a national level," Gonzalez said.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: j_a_stevenson on September 26, 2007, 10:09:16 AM
Go the Yale Bulldogs!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 07, 2007, 12:49:34 PM
Syracuse looked like crap last night.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 08, 2007, 09:05:37 AM
The Cuse was a totally different team last night against Lemoyne. Donte Green looks like a guy that can drain some threes for you. Devendorf needs to keep doing the unselfish assist thing though. Flynn look to be good and showed flashes of greatness. He makes lots of frosh mistakes but you can see the talent is there for sure. But it was Green that really caught my attention last night. Hope he stays for 3 years. I was also impressed with Jackson and Onuaku seems to have progressed alot in the offseason, a big body there.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 08, 2007, 10:07:21 AM
I saw Dontae Green play several times in high school last year.  "Lazy" was my first thought about him.  He's going to need as much time as possible at Syracuse before he even thinks of turning pro. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on November 08, 2007, 12:03:27 PM
Gardner-Webb?  Really?  No, seriously, really?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 08, 2007, 12:27:36 PM
I saw Dontae Green play several times in high school last year.  "Lazy" was my first thought about him.  He's going to need as much time as possible at Syracuse before he even thinks of turning pro. 

He didn't look lazy last night. The guy really hustled on both ends of the floor.

You see the game?

A 6'10" guy that can drain 3's like he did last night is a guy I'd want to have.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 08, 2007, 12:28:54 PM
Gardner-Webb?  Really?  No, seriously, really?

Looks like a couple of Big 10 teams weren't quite so BIG JB. :)

Where the heck is WhiskeySteve?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 08, 2007, 12:33:13 PM
Didn't see the Syracuse game last night.  Just reporting my impressions of him as a high school guy.  Sometimes when you're the best player on the court, which he almost always was when I saw him, you don't have to work. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 08, 2007, 01:57:05 PM
Didn't see the Syracuse game last night.  Just reporting my impressions of him as a high school guy.  Sometimes when you're the best player on the court, which he almost always was when I saw him, you don't have to work. 

Yeah I figured you were just giving me your impression of him YG. And from the reasoning you gave it sounds...well...reasonable.

FTR I figure a guy that's 6'10'' who can shoot 3's is going to do alright in college. The pros are a different story though but even then it'll help.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 08, 2007, 02:01:48 PM
I've seen too many 7' footers with jump shots (going back to Mel Counts) with no inside game to get real excited about another one coming along.

Greene, though, is a freakish athlete who just seemed to need to get a little more agressive.   


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 08, 2007, 04:01:01 PM
I've seen too many 7' footers with jump shots (going back to Mel Counts) with no inside game to get real excited about another one coming along.

Greene, though, is a freakish athlete who just seemed to need to get a little more agressive.   

It's good that you can remain calm. A lesser man would have surely cracked from the pressure by now YG.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: luee on November 13, 2007, 01:33:06 PM
OK the Hall opens the season victorious by eking out a close one, in OT, against powerhouse Monmouth!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 14, 2007, 08:17:11 AM
Very entertaining game with The Cuse and St. Joe's last night. The Orange have some exciting young talent. Here's hoping that they mature fast from an Orange fans perspective. On to OSU.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 15, 2007, 01:44:31 PM
Not a bad showing by the Tarheels last night. Davidson is a veteran team and I expected them to give the young Heels a game of it.

I really like UCLA and we'll see Monday just how good these guys really are. The Terps won't be a pushover and an early season loss by the Bruins is a stretch I know, but could be in the cards.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 15, 2007, 01:51:45 PM
I love Love.  Maryland was pretty mediocre against Hampton (who actually is a pretty good team) and not too good against North Florida either.  It looks like their old weakness, consistent outside shooting, is still present.

They might be able to do some nice work against UCLA inside.  Just for the record, I probably should remind everybody of my belief that Lorenzo Matta is the worst college basketball player of all-time.


Title: Let's go, Redmen!!!!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 15, 2007, 02:10:33 PM
Bomp bomp bomp bomp bomp


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 15, 2007, 02:25:55 PM
I love Love.    It looks like their old weakness, consistent outside shooting, is still present.


Me too YG. "And", I agree about the outside shootong. They ought to as usual be strong on the boards.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on November 15, 2007, 06:22:02 PM
I may be way off base, but I don't see how Clemson is a 5 point dog at Miss. St. 

For those of you in the genteel hemisphere, the Tigers will be on Sportsouth or Fox Sports or whatever they are calling it, James Mays will be the one dunking, Rivers will be the one jacking threes, we are ready to throw down this year, I think.  Admittedly, I know nothing about Mississippi State, but I love Clemson and the points, were I a wagering fellow.  It's like Javier Bardem coming to your town, we bring the cowpuncher baby, lights out, that's right.

Put the Bardem on them mother.....


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on November 15, 2007, 11:13:42 PM
Money


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 16, 2007, 09:22:00 AM
The ref that called the intentional foul in the UCONN/G-Webb game ought to have his whistle shoved up his nose. Total dumb ass call changed the whole complexion of the game.

"And", the Hoyas are going to be tough this year.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 20, 2007, 01:58:18 PM
Maryland looked dreadful last night.  It looks like Vazquez has regressed and PG play was one of the last things I was actually worried about for this team.

Kevin Love is the absolute and complete real deal and anybody who's worried that he was a mere reincarnation of Stuart Gray need not.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 21, 2007, 11:15:38 AM
Good game to watch tonight between The Cuse and OSU. Both teams lost most of their starting lineups from last year. Should be an exciting game to watch.

Also Tommy Amaker did a pretty good job of recruiting at Harvard. Maybe he'll fare better in the Ivy league than he did at Michigan.

http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/704077.html

The final piece of the Harvard’s outstanding recruiting class was put in place (formally) this week. Keith Wright, a 6-foot-7, 245 pound center out of Norfolk (Va.) Collegiate, received word that he’s good to go as far as being admitted to Harvard.  



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: luee on November 21, 2007, 02:38:22 PM
Looks like a tremendous year for the Big East. Five teams in the top twenty.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 23, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
The Cuse looked okay all things considered even in the loss, except that they disappeared late in the first half for a time. And then did it again in the second half.

A good lesson for the youngsters that playing defense is a full time thing.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 23, 2007, 03:27:53 PM
And:

Okay George Mason, lets see you do that to Nova today.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: luee on November 25, 2007, 12:20:03 AM
(http://upload.imgspot.com/u/07/312/11/Team.gif)


PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- Seton Hall got the statement win it needed under Bobby Gonzalez.

Gonzalez barked at the Pirates to turn up the pressure and they did for all 40 minutes, knocking off No. 23 Virginia 74-60 on Saturday night to match their best start in seven seasons and win a share of the Philly Hoop Group Classic.

Brian Laing scored 25 points and Jeremy Hazell had 11, including a crashing 3-pointer that sent the neutral-site crowd into a frenzy, to help the Pirates win their first five games for the first time since the 2000-01 season.

Gonzalez's wife is due to give birth to the couple's first child any day now and contingency plans were made in case he had to bolt Philadelphia. Instead, he got to watch the Pirates deliver their biggest win of the season.

Seton Hall took control early and never let Virginia (5-1) make a serious run. The Cavaliers, who jumped into the Top 25 by handing Arizona its first November home loss since 1978-79, will likely spill out of the poll.

The Cavaliers crept within eight early in the second half and Gonzalez wanted to make sure his team wouldn't let the score get much closer. "Turn up the pressure right now! Turn it up!" he shouted from the bench at the historic Palestra.

Hazell obliged with a 3.

Hazell was fouled and knocked hard to the court on a long 3-pointer that left him sprawled on the painted "Hoop Group" logo near the Pirates bench. Instead of being extended a helping hand up, a frantic Gonzalez started slapping hands with Hazell -- was that a low five? -- while he was still on his back. Hazell missed the free throw.

No worries for the Pirates. They led by 10 and never let it dip below eight the rest of the way.

Sean Singletary, the Philadelphia native who earned a loud ovation during pregame introductions, was serenaded with an "airball!" chant when he misfired with 1:21 left in the game and the Cavaliers desperately trying to rally.

The Pirates, who missed the Big East tournament last season in Gonzalez's first year at Seton Hall, won the Independence bracket in the inaugural eight-team tournament. The tournament is broken up into two brackets, so there is no true champion.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: luee on November 26, 2007, 04:14:04 PM
Little Saint Mary's coming up for the Hall. Not much of a matchup when the schedule was made. But an easy upset winner over Oregon led by their freshman wunderkin from down under Patty Mills who poured in 37.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 27, 2007, 11:26:48 AM
Not sure UCLA should be #1 right now, but it's a long season.

USC reentered the top 25 after a sound 25 point thrashing of then #18  Southern Illinois in the Anaheim tournament final.

USC's team is almost solely comprised of freshman and sophmores, so one would expect it to take a little while for them to gel.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 27, 2007, 01:09:28 PM
Not sure UCLA should be #1 right now, but it's a long season.

USC reentered the top 25 after a sound 25 point thrashing of then #18  Southern Illinois in the Anaheim tournament final.

USC's team is almost solely comprised of freshman and sophmores, so one would expect it to take a little while for them to gel.

Maybe "right now". But how good is UCLA going to be when Collison comes back? Which should be tomorrow I think.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 27, 2007, 02:03:56 PM
While they're much, much better than Maryland, I think UCLA has the same weakness as them, and the same weakness they've had the last few seasons, and that's lack of consistent outside shooting and this is something that Collison can't correct.  Perhaps when Roll and Keefe come back, they'll be better there.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 29, 2007, 08:21:10 AM
Maybe not YG. But I can guarantee the guy will make a difference in the performance of the Bruins, outside shooting lacking sufficient punch or not. BTW Collison himself is a pretty good outside shooter in his own right. Led the PAC 10 in 3pt efficiency last year.(.447, 51-of-114) He also led the league in steals(22nd nationally), and second in the league in assists(18th nationally)

The guy is IMO, simply put, a handful for opposing teams. He's the type of guy that I would call a difference maker.

BTW, your boys played a heckuva game last night. It's a good thing the refereeing crew was inclined to let the game be played a little on the roughouse style. Plays right into the Terps hands.

My guys(Cuse) on the other hand are a mirror opposite of your guys. We can shoot but we don't have a friggin clue as to the true nature of defense. A bit unusual for a Boeheim team as far as the defense thing goes.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 29, 2007, 10:15:08 AM
I was at MSG last week and saw Syracuse play Washington.  THey didn't do much on defense that night either, but won anyway.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2007, 10:17:04 AM
Is the kid Green good enough to be the Knick selection at 6?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 29, 2007, 10:19:38 AM
Not yet, he's not.  He's the proverbial great athlete, but not real strong.   


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2007, 10:22:21 AM
I obviously am more interested in the PGs for NY, but also like the Ohio State center, should he come out.  Missed the NC-OSU game last night, unfortunately.

Also a puzzle is why Hansbrough (UNC) is totally off the board at NBAdraft.net.  Was a top 15 at one point last season.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2007, 10:23:59 AM
OOOOOO

Just saw the box score.  UGLY game.  Koufos 1-10.  Hansbrough 6-19

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/boxscore;_ylt=ArTuP6N1kr0Nn9PZg_GFw0zevbYF?gid=200711280443


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 29, 2007, 10:26:53 AM
Koufos was awful last night and in the game I saw against A&M he got shoved around alot by A&M freshman center.  He's very talented and can run and shoot, but needs a lot of work.

I love Hansborough as a college guy in the same way I loved Nick Collison.  I have a hard-time believing he fell off the draft board.  Maybe they figure if he stayed for junior year, he'll stay for his senior one.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 29, 2007, 11:34:22 AM
I was at MSG last week and saw Syracuse play Washington.  THey didn't do much on defense that night either, but won anyway.

Yeah sometimes you can just plain outscore teams. But that stuff is generally tough to rely on for the long haul. What bothers me is I see them in a zone with their arms down at their sides constantly. Not what I expect from a Boeheim coached squad.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 29, 2007, 11:35:39 AM
Is the kid Green good enough to be the Knick selection at 6?

A couple of years from now he "might" be. Like YG said, he's definitely got the eye but not the body. Yet.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 29, 2007, 11:43:19 AM
OOOOOO

Just saw the box score.  UGLY game.  Koufos 1-10.  Hansbrough 6-19

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/boxscore;_ylt=ArTuP6N1kr0Nn9PZg_GFw0zevbYF?gid=200711280443

Hansbrough had an off night shooting and I give a lot of credit to the OSU players on that one. But he got a spitload of rebounds 11, 5 OF THEM OFFENSIVE, and that is what makes him so good IMO. Actually a pretty decent game overall considering they played it without Lawson. He, like Collison, is another one of those difference makers that give opposing teams schlit fits.

And I love the way NC passes the rock. Pure poetry in motion.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 29, 2007, 12:05:11 PM
...and that was without Ty Lawson who I believe has Chris Paul type talent.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 29, 2007, 12:48:02 PM
Ralph Beard, one of the Kentucky players that the "great" Adolph Rupp claimed couldn't be touched with a 10-foot pole by gamblers, died today.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2007, 12:58:11 PM
Koufos turned down 3 years and 5 mil from a Greek team.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 29, 2007, 03:58:01 PM
...and that was without Ty Lawson who I believe has Chris Paul type talent.


:)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 02, 2007, 12:16:51 PM
Boeheim got my memo.

They played defense like a Cuse team should be playing it last night. But if that's how Greene is going to shoot offensively, if he's got to also play defense, then he isn't going to be much good to us.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: TrojanHorse on December 04, 2007, 10:19:32 PM
Koufos turned down 3 years and 5 mil from a Greek team.

Yeah, but  5 Million Drachmai is only about $1500/year


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: TrojanHorse on December 04, 2007, 10:21:56 PM
Wow...Memphis is really "strong" physically.   The score has been roughly even so far almost to halftime, but it feels like they are gong to manhandle the game away in the second half.

Every time there is a scrum for the ball, Memphis comes away with it...


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: TrojanHorse on December 05, 2007, 02:46:52 PM
well...they did better than I thought.  Took them to overtime and would have won but Hackett missed one of his free throws.

They went cold in OT however and lost by 3 or 4.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 07, 2007, 08:34:53 AM
USC has a fine team there Scott and really plays with heart.

I like the way Villanova stormed back in the second half last night. Lotta heart there too.

My Orange squeaked one out against Virginia a couple nights ago in an away game. Greene is kinda scary in that he can really turn the faucet on almost at will. With all of the stink about how the Cuse doesn't play away games against good teams hopefully the Cavs will have a winning record this year, and the NCAA Selection committee will see it. I still see Harris as being a force as he continues to grow into his roll. The guy is going to yank down a lot of rebounds if he plays within the system.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: luee on December 07, 2007, 04:35:09 PM
big East vs Big 10 match-up

http://setonhall.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=330&tid=107747968&mid=107747968&sid=959&style=2

PREVIEW: Seton Hall (7-1) at Penn State (3-4)

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The Seton Hall Pirates (7-1) travel to University Park, Pennsylvania this weekend to take on the Penn State Nittany Lions (3-4) at The Bryce Jordan Center. The Hall enters the game coming off an 85-75 victory over St. Peter’s on Tuesday night, while the Lions have not played since December 1st, a 79-67 setback at St. Joseph’s.

The game will be available on television via The Big Ten Network, located on channel 220 for DIRECTV users at 8PM on Saturday night.

Penn State is 3-0 at home, defeating St. Francis of PA (74-64), Canisius (93-40), and Virginia Tech (66-61). Seton Hall is 3-1 away from The Prudential Center, having defeated Navy, Virginia, and Princeton, while losing to St. Mary’s.

In the Pirates’ victory of St. Peter’s, the key frontcourt players took another colossal step forward in their development. Playing individually, 6’9” John Garcia (20 PTS, 15 REB) and 6’11” Mike Davis (6 PTS, 4 REB) provided SHU with 26 points and 19 rebounds in 37 minutes. It was the most dominating performance by one position in the paint in years for the Pirates. Six players ? Garcia and Davis, Jamar Nutter, Larry Davis, Jeremy Hazell, and Eugene Harvey ? pulled down at least 4 rebounds against SPC. Nutter and Laing each had 4 assists as well.

Penn State’s strength through 7 games has been their defense. Opponents are shooting just .409 (162/396) from the floor and .319 (44/138) from the arc, en route to 67.1 PPG. The Lions’ defense is also forcing an average of 16.7 TO per game, for a very good TO margin of +3.1 on the season. Of their 117 forced turnovers, 55 have been steals (7.9 per game).

Offensively the team shoots just .407 (188/462) and only .305 (54/177) from three. Their motion offense generates an average of 16 assists per game. For comparison, Penn State (66) and Seton Hall (67.8) average nearly the exact amount of FGA per game, and SHU shoots at a better rate (.424), yet PSU still averages 3 assists per game more than The Hall. The motion style of PSU is also in stark contrast to The Hall’s in terms of FTA. Through 7 games, Penn State has taken 111 foul shots (.622) compared to 216 in 8 games for Seton Hall (.708).

* 6’5” Senior WF Geary Claxton dominates the ball in all scoring facets for Penn State. The offense’s ball movement usually ends up creating an opportunity for him to score. Claxton has taken a quarter of the team’s shots himself (51/114) and shoots .447 from the field for 19.1 PPG. His versatility also makes him PSU’s 2nd leading scorer from the arc, where he’s shot .394 (13/33) in addition to pulling down 8.1 rebounds per game. His vulnerability comes at the FT line where he shoots just .559 (19/34). He has also been called for 26 fouls in 7 games. Last year Claxton torched The Hall for 29 of PSU’s 59 points (11/15), and 11 rebounds in 32 minutes. In key spots, Brandon Walters' athetlicism and 5 fouls-to-give could come in hand late against Claxton.

* 6’5” Junior F Jamelle Cornley missed the first 2 games of the season, as well as the Lions’ last game at St. Joseph’s. But for the 3 in between, he provided 10 PPG and 6 RPG in just 21.8 MPG. Cornley has shot .531 from the field (17/32), and handed out 10 assists against just 6 turnovers.

* PSU's motion creates a lot of kick-back opportunities at for 3PT attempts (25/game). Accordingly, they anchor guards who take advantage of undisciplined defenders who simply chase the ball:

- 6’3” Junior G Danny Morrissey has been blistering from three point range this year. Morrissey has shot .417 (15/36) from the arc, and has not attempted a FT. In fact, he’s taken just 44 FGA all season, and 36 of them ? 82% - are three pointers.

- 6’2” Senior G Mike Walker shoots .353 from the arc and takes 69% of his shots from there(19/49 FG, 12/34 3PT).

Seton Hall has had trouble in spots this year staying with their man on the perimeter. Defending the off-ball movement is not only important against PSU in general, but against Morrissey and Walker in particular.

* PSU also gets key production from 5’11” Freshman G Talor Battle (26 MPG, 27 AST), 6’6” Sophomore DJ Jackson (18 MPG, 5.6 PPG, 3.4 RPG), and 6’9” Sophomore Andrew Jones (16 MPG, 5 PPG, 4.3 RPG). Jackson shot 5/6 for 12 points with 5 rebounds against SHU last season.

Overall, Head Coach Ed DeChellis has 10 players averaging over 16 MPG.

This is an important game for Seton Hall. In terms of resume building, it is not only their final road game before Big East play, but an opportunity to earn a pure road victory against a power conference team; something they have yet to do in the 37 game tenure of Head Coach Bobby Gonzalez.

Secondly, Penn State’s style is not conducive to making huge comebacks. But they can certainly punish undisciplined defenses. Therefore it will be interesting to see how The Hall adjusts. Seton Hall’s trademark pressure defense could knock Penn State off balance both offensively and defensively since they are more of a tempo-controlling type. However, if the Lions beat the press, can the Pirates excute well enough in the half-court?

Last season Gonzalez adjusted to PSU’s tough zone defense in the second half by anchoring Harvey at the elbow, drawing the defenders, then feeding either Grant Billmeier (9 PTS, 4/5 FG) on the blocks. Right now the half court offense is Seton Hall’s biggest weakness, so it will take some creativity to compensate against the zones.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 09, 2007, 08:11:37 AM
Great game to watch even in the loss. The Cuse was ultimately scragged by blistering outside shooting.



Title: Prospects
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2007, 02:17:31 PM
Trying to geta  looksee at as many of the NBAdraft.net firsdt rounders for '08 as I can.

Have thus far seen Rose and Mayo and Budinger (time has been an issue).

Tough to pass on the PG, but Budinger's a player.

Have obviously seen plenty of Hibbert.

Thabeet and Koufos, Jordan and Lopez, the other bigs on US soil, need my attention, I know.

Intriguing foreigners are Baturn (France) and Ibaka (Congo)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on December 20, 2007, 09:45:50 PM
Nice facial, Duke.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on December 22, 2007, 11:27:17 PM
Gee whiz, how did Clem drop to Ole Miss, it just doesn't add up, but good for them and it's hoops, so you have to take your whacks.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on January 01, 2008, 07:44:03 PM
Well, our boards are back with the reintroduction of Mays into the lineup, Clem beat a pretty good Alabama team in their joint by nearly thirty, we outscored them by roughly 25 in the second half.  Nasty.  The test comes this Sun. vs. UNC at Clem. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 05, 2008, 04:50:56 PM
Nice game by the Cuse today. I'm praying that Greene stays for a couple more years. An awesome freshmen class by Boeheim.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on January 06, 2008, 03:30:13 AM
I forgot there was an NCAA forum here.Cap are you an SU grad?I went to school with Marty Byrnes in the Rochester area before he moved down the road to SU for college. He was on the Lakers the first year I lived in L.A. but we moved in different circles by then.Saw him at our 30th HS reunion in 2004 and he claims he did not know I was in L.A.(yeah right)I got his ass picked by Dallas in the expansion draft the next year. A few guys from the SU team a few years later were also friends with an old girlfriend on Cape Cod when I worked summers there.They were all white boys(non starters) but liked my Isley Brothers collection.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on January 07, 2008, 12:43:45 AM
We shut down Hansborough, took it to OT, and lost.  We are still pretty good and a couple of free throws or a three ball from our freshman Oglesby, three of which rimmed out or were in and out, leaves a brother a little broken hearted, but make no mistake, Clem is a top 10 team, or will be, but it would've been nice to beat #1 in our joint.  Ellsworth is a PLAYER, no prob, but I thought we outplayed the Heels tonight and wound up on the short end of the STICK.  Meet you in the ACC tourney.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 07, 2008, 08:41:34 AM
I forgot there was an NCAA forum here.Cap are you an SU grad?I went to school with Marty Byrnes in the Rochester area before he moved down the road to SU for college. He was on the Lakers the first year I lived in L.A. but we moved in different circles by then.Saw him at our 30th HS reunion in 2004 and he claims he did not know I was in L.A.(yeah right)I got his ass picked by Dallas in the expansion draft the next year. A few guys from the SU team a few years later were also friends with an old girlfriend on Cape Cod when I worked summers there.They were all white boys(non starters) but liked my Isley Brothers collection.

No I didn't go to Cuse Bosox. But I grew up in western NYS/Penn border and Syracuse was just a couple of hours away. I have a couplethree buddies here at work that are Cuse grads including the second banana.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 07, 2008, 08:43:26 AM
We shut down Hansborough, took it to OT, and lost.  We are still pretty good and a couple of free throws or a three ball from our freshman Oglesby, three of which rimmed out or were in and out, leaves a brother a little broken hearted, but make no mistake, Clem is a top 10 team, or will be, but it would've been nice to beat #1 in our joint.  Ellsworth is a PLAYER, no prob, but I thought we outplayed the Heels tonight and wound up on the short end of the STICK.  Meet you in the ACC tourney.

That was one great game to watch JB. Had me on the edge for the whole thing. Clemson's inside game really impressed the schlit outta me bro.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on January 08, 2008, 01:29:26 AM
NYS/Penn border.Interesting we grew up not that far apart.My uncle just sold his hunting camp in Canisteo N.Y. down around Alfred univ way.He had that place up in the hills since 63.No indoor plumbing  not much insulation but a great place to go for the weekend to drink, play cards and listen to games on the radio cause the TV reception sucked that far up in the hills.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 09, 2008, 09:32:59 AM
NYS/Penn border.Interesting we grew up not that far apart.My uncle just sold his hunting camp in Canisteo N.Y. down around Alfred univ way.He had that place up in the hills since 63.No indoor plumbing  not much insulation but a great place to go for the weekend to drink, play cards and listen to games on the radio cause the TV reception sucked that far up in the hills.

It is interesting Bo, as I almost ended up going to Alfred-Almond, as it was called at the time. And I've been in few cabins like that. They're sprinkled all over western NY.

In fact 40+ years ago, when I was a kid, my three brothers and about four neighbor boys built a real log cabin up in the deep woods about a couple of miles or so out from our house. Back then our area of hills was pretty sparsely populated. The cabin was about 30 by 20 and came complete with log walls, plank flooring, old chickenshed windows, four bunkbeds built into the cabin walls, an old wooden kitchen table with rickety unmatched chairs, and a big ole pot bellied stove. The only thing remotely modern about it was the asphault roof shingles covering the plank roof. You can still see the 12 inch pine foundation logs if you hike up in there. At least you could still see them ten years ago, which was the last time I was up there. I almost walked up in there just a short while back when my dad died to do some reflecting, but I don't even know who owns that land anymore. Back then all that woodland was owned by one of the neighbor kid's dad. He had about 2 or 3 hundred acres of land and it was adjacent to the other two neighbor kids dad's land and he had about 3 or 4 hundred more acres. It was all farm(dairy) country back then and we had a small farm of about 50 acres mostly pasture with no woodland bordering the first dad's land. It was a rugged tough life back then from 5am to 6pm everyday, Christmas  and all other holidays included. Kids used to be all excited about the weekend coming home on the 40 minute ride on the schoolbus. Me, I just knew I had two days of work ahead of me instead of sitting on my ass all day long in school taking it easy. Thanks for making me remember it, I've really grown soft since those days.

Now the big dairy farms are all gone, and its all grown into rural housing with lots of new dirt roads. But you can still see a few of the overgrown remnants here and there of all of the old dug roads we used for logging in the old days, if you know where to look for them. Great area now for snowmobiling and 4-wheeling.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on January 10, 2008, 10:04:14 PM
I saw some highlights of the North Carolina -NC Asheville game from last night.Asheville has a Center who is 7.6- 7.7 depending on site and 360.Some 6.9 dude from Carolina dunked on him.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on January 11, 2008, 01:01:37 AM
The last school I went to in my 7 year college trip was Northeastern.I was lucky cause those were the early years of Jim Calhouns coaching and NU went to the big dance a few years.But they moved out of America East a few years back and into the Colonial Athletic Conf.More Competition and this year the non-con teams are even tougher.They played Illinois,Maryland,Conn,Boston College,Syracuse and Rhode Island.I only add Rhode Island cause they are a top 25 team right now.At 6-8 the record isn't bad but none of those games against the big boys were at home  and the CAA is pretty tough.I wonder if it's worth it for a mid level to play that schedule hoping recruiting pays off or is it better to play mid level teams and run up a better record.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 11, 2008, 08:34:04 AM
I saw some highlights of the North Carolina -NC Asheville game from last night.Asheville has a Center who is 7.6- 7.7 depending on site and 360.Some 6.9 dude from Carolina dunked on him.

Yeah it was Hansborough. He looked like a 8th grader playing a 12th grader.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on January 11, 2008, 08:02:05 PM
Thanks for responding, cap, yeah, we dropped the typical "downer" game by a good UNC Charlotte team, but if you're not East Coast, and I'm pretty sure you are, you woudn't know it, but it's not like losing to UNC-Asheville, which the Gamecocks did, but anyway, last year we won our whole pre-season effort, this year we drop one to Ole Miss that is a wake up call, perfect for a home game vs. UNC, and then come up short, and then emotionally I figure our guys had to live with that one all week long. 

Last year, we were the last or second to last unbeaten team and we are much better this year, the difference is going to be, after you eat the UNC game, and take the UNC/CHAR shot, how do you respond??

I think that from understanding ball, and knowing that we dropped one in the ACC Tourney to FSU in Tampa last year on a bullshit call on us (good D) againt Al Thornton, great player that he is.  But anyway the tournament win would've given us a dance argument.  The 'Noles are in CLEM tomorrow, and I expect us to have a "fuck it" attitude now that we've dropped 3 games, I think it will be a blowout Clemson, I could be wrong, but Rivers was 0-5 from 3 in the Char. game and he is the spark, Cap, that kept us on pace when we would reel by 5 or so vs. Heels.

So, I think before we got our FRONTCOURT all the way back we had a tendency to rely on too much three, bad disease, but here's the tape, our center had 32 pts. all off of offensive glass basically, which means you are shooting too much from the outside and missing which was the case.  CHAR was beat down low, but we kept firing.

I expect the line to be CLEM by 5 and I like CLEM a lot here.

***the above is not to be construed in any fashion, trend, or tinfoil hat, as gaming advice, etc.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on January 12, 2008, 09:56:38 PM
Freshman Terrence Oglesby hits threee 3's in 2OT to even ACC scorecard.

http://clemsontigers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/011208aab.html


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 13, 2008, 08:46:43 AM
Thanks for responding, cap, yeah, we dropped the typical "downer" game by a good UNC Charlotte team, but if you're not East Coast, and I'm pretty sure you are, you woudn't know it, but it's not like losing to UNC-Asheville, which the Gamecocks did, but anyway, last year we won our whole pre-season effort, this year we drop one to Ole Miss that is a wake up call, perfect for a home game vs. UNC, and then come up short, and then emotionally I figure our guys had to live with that one all week long. 

Last year, we were the last or second to last unbeaten team and we are much better this year, the difference is going to be, after you eat the UNC game, and take the UNC/CHAR shot, how do you respond??

I think that from understanding ball, and knowing that we dropped one in the ACC Tourney to FSU in Tampa last year on a bullshit call on us (good D) againt Al Thornton, great player that he is.  But anyway the tournament win would've given us a dance argument.  The 'Noles are in CLEM tomorrow, and I expect us to have a "fuck it" attitude now that we've dropped 3 games, I think it will be a blowout Clemson, I could be wrong, but Rivers was 0-5 from 3 in the Char. game and he is the spark, Cap, that kept us on pace when we would reel by 5 or so vs. Heels.

So, I think before we got our FRONTCOURT all the way back we had a tendency to rely on too much three, bad disease, but here's the tape, our center had 32 pts. all off of offensive glass basically, which means you are shooting too much from the outside and missing which was the case.  CHAR was beat down low, but we kept firing.

I expect the line to be CLEM by 5 and I like CLEM a lot here.

***the above is not to be construed in any fashion, trend, or tinfoil hat, as gaming advice, etc.

Good tough game by Clemson yesterday. Once again I see their frontcourt as being pretty tough. Tehy have the ability to shoot front the outside if they get squared up. They need to pass the rock a bit more, and a little better, for this to happen consistantly for them. They have a good shooter in Oglesby. When they move and pass well and get the ball for the open look, whether outside or inside they are effective. They need to rachet it up though when they come out to start the second half of ballgames.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 13, 2008, 08:48:11 AM
Anyone see the ending of the Georgetown/UCONN game??

The Hoyas really stole one there, with the help of a ref that doesn't know what traveling is.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on January 13, 2008, 10:38:13 PM
I just saw on ESPN.Com that Dickie V. has been cleared to resume broadcasting.Curses on this modern medicine.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on January 15, 2008, 06:51:29 PM
Cap:  Who is your hoops team, GaTech?, or am I thinking of somebody else.  There use to be a Wake guy at the NYTFF.  I was thinking you were ACC, but could be wrong, Miami looks to be playing good ball but the league overall seems kind of uneven.  BC laid a hundred something on Wake, who are really not playing good ball.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 16, 2008, 09:42:05 AM
I must admit I've been a Cuse roundball fan since the days of Roy Danforth and the ECAC. LOL, Not too many people will remember either of those names.

But I still remember the 72-73 season and the 73 NCAA tourney. I still hate Maryland whenever I think about it. I remember the next year I ended up wanting to punch out some guy named Oral. Oral?? What a dumb ass name!  :)

The next year it was the entire state of Kentucky that I wanted tossed in the crapper along with their dickwad coach. Not too many people will remember the name of Jimmy Lee either. But to me he was a helluva ballplayer.

After 75-76 Danforth left because he was unhappy over the facilities.(If he only knew)And then Boeheim came on the scene and it was Shackleford, Bouie, Byrnes and Orr...(Or the Bouie and Louie show as it would later come to be coined), and in the beginning of the "new era" I still remember wanting to beat the schilt out of that moron ref that overruled the basket counting and the matchup against Michigan State that never happened. To this day I still think that guy cost us a national championship shot.

A few years later we get screwed by a foul that never was and the Hawkeyes advance. Lotsa highs and lows being a Cuse fan back then, but for sure never boring.

And to this day I'd punch Arsehole Bobby Knight right in his loud mouth given the slightest opportunity.  ;)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on January 17, 2008, 12:32:12 AM
I'd like to kick Dean Smith in the ass, I couldn't have ever hit him, he was always like 40 yrs. older than me.  I liked it when Rick Barnes went after him and got in his face after he talked to our players.  Smith said something to Iker Iturbe, admittedly, our thug, but not after a particularly bad foul.  Barnes decided to face up face to face up and got teched up and then again and had to leave.  Fu** Dean Smith, don't talk to our players, and Roy Williams knows this.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 17, 2008, 08:43:04 AM
Glad you got "that" off your chest JB.  :D


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 17, 2008, 11:41:52 AM
Great game last night between Ga Tech and NC. The wreck matched the Heels salvo for salvo right down to, but not including, the last second.

Three things come to mind about the Yellowjackets.

1: Are they as bad as their record shows? 5 losses by 6pts or less. I don't think their record is indicative of how good they are, win those 5 games and they are 12-4 instead of 7-9.

2: Do they play with the same kind of intensity on the road as they do at home? I'd have to say no.

3: How good would this team be if Dickey hadn't of gotten injured? He IMO would have made the difference in many of those 5 losses turning them into wins.


On to the Cuse: They totally outclassed Rutgers last night. But I'm still convinced they aren't playing as good of defense as they should be. What they're doing defensively against Rutgers isn't going to fly with teams that can shoot the bean. 59 points might "look" like a good defensive effort on paper. But if you watched that game the Orangemen played sloppy sloppy D. At some point in time I hope they start to get that.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on January 19, 2008, 05:40:20 PM
Upset Sat.Both N.Carolina and U.C.L.A. fall at home.I'll have to see if Memphis and Kanas are playing.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on January 19, 2008, 05:52:52 PM
Memphis has an easy schedule...I can see them going undefeated until the tourney.

This may have been a good loss to take in for both UNC and UCLA given the tourney atmosphere in both games.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 20, 2008, 08:22:23 AM
Upset Saturday: Seven Top 25 teams,

North Carolina, UCLA, Texas A&M, Ole Miss, Pitt, Miami and Arizona St all get upset on the same day.

Sounds like the college football season all over again. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on January 21, 2008, 06:04:18 PM
Utley,Sat night it was Northeastern 73 Deleware 69.Rematch at Deleware is Jan 30th.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on January 22, 2008, 01:20:26 PM
The Cuse just isn't quite there yet. It can hang with the Novas and G'Towns but just can't seem to get over the top.


Title: Len Bias-what could have been
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2008, 11:10:12 AM

http://www.len-bias.com/trailer.html



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on January 23, 2008, 11:23:15 AM
Some personal background....

I knew Lennie Bias a little bit.  We weren't chums but because of my friendship with a couple of the Maryland players, I knew him enough to have him greet me by name whenever I ran into him.  In a high school summer league game Bias had gotten into a brawl with another buddy of mine (but that's another tale)

When he died it was truly one of the most upsetting days of my life.  I remember calling my Dad (who was on a business trip out west) to tell him and woke him up with the news.  When my Dad died, for some reason, one of my first thoughts was of calling him with that news.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2008, 11:28:16 AM
Memphis has an easy schedule...I can see them going undefeated until the tourney.

This may have been a good loss to take in for both UNC and UCLA given the tourney atmosphere in both games.

Tennessee, Gonzaga and Houston would disagree


Title: Re: Bias
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2008, 11:35:25 AM
What was the story behind his death?

Cocaine?  First time?  Who was the supplier?  Were they admonished, arrested?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on January 23, 2008, 11:42:15 AM
He was out celebrating his being drafted and came home and took a lethal dose.  Bias' family and friends claimed it was his first time.  I have no reason to doubt them, but who knows?  The drugs were supposedly supplied by a really bad guy, a supposed "friend" of Bias, named Brian Tribble, but he was exonerated on all charges relating to Bias dying.  Tribble later went to jail for cocaine distribution.

A couple of Bias' basketball teammates, Terry Long and David Gregg, were caught up in the investigation.  I know they were suspended by the school, but I can't remember if they had any legal problems. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 04, 2008, 09:15:52 AM
The Cuse is starting to play defense a little better. And more importantly more consistantly.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 05, 2008, 10:17:50 AM
I see Bobby Knight has resigned. I hope its for a good reason and not just because he felt like it.

This is a good article on him. And the last line pretty much sums it up for how I've always felt about "coach" Knight.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23003173/

Just human? I suppose. But I always kept asking myself, “Why the attitude, you jerk?”


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 06, 2008, 08:50:13 AM
I see Ty Lawson will probably sit in tonight's game against Duke. Quentin Thomas will probably get the nod. But don't get too overconfident Dookies. This guy probably would have been the starting point guard from day one on a couple dozen other D1 NCAA hoops squads. I can still remember when Scout and others had him list very high on PGs when he came out of HS. It just goes to show the level of talent that the Tarheels get. I expect the Heels to pound the boards in this game and even though most are predicting a close affair I'm not so sure.



The Cuse goes up against a shorthanded but even still a redhot UCONN team with a 5 game winning streak. I think this is a bigger game for the Cuse I think than it is for the Huskies. A loss here won't look good on Syracuse's resume come NCAA tourny time. The Orangemen will have to lock down Price if they have any hope at all of winning this game. Thabeet has come a long ways in just a short time and is a real scary presence inside. He quicker than you think for a guy that size too. But it's actually Jeff Adrien that scares me the most as a Cuse fan, the guy is a real bulldog in the paint.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 07, 2008, 03:49:52 PM
Just as I feared Adrien just killed us all game long 12 rebounds and 19 points says it all. Onuaku is good as a forward playing the center position, but against Thabeet he was just plain overmatched. I didn't think Onuaku could be outmuscled but Thabeet did just exactly that. Between him, Adrien and Robinson the Orange got outplayed on the inside. Luckily the Huskies sucked at the free-throw line and the Cuse was able to keep it close. Flynn and Greene looked tired. It's a lot tougher(and longer) than HS guys.

North Carolina played good without Lawson but Dukes outside game that they rely on was working and they won it on outside shooting. The Tarheels on the other hand didn't shoot very well from the outside at all making only 3 of 17 attempts from beyond the arc.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 07, 2008, 05:10:30 PM
UNC did not play very well at all.  Out of synch all night.  usual great job by Duke - taking the charge all night.

Missed DIFFICULT shots vs made OPEN looks.

Get well soon, Lawson


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 08, 2008, 08:37:53 AM
I agree they looked a little out of sync. But they had lots of good looks on most of their 3's. They just didn't make them.

Shoot 3 for 17 on 3's and you aren't going to win a lot of ball games. If they make 7 of those( certainly doable) then they win the game.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on February 08, 2008, 09:27:13 PM
Clemson's K.C. Rivers nails 8-11 3's and totals 32 pts. in a road win at UVA by thirtysomething that was the biggest league road win in team history.  We shot 70% from three-point land, crazy rain, I expect UVA's coach with talent that doesn't seem to give a shit or play defense to get canned this year, he is 1-6 in league play and they are a very bad, very demoralized team with no fire.  Any road win is nice, but as a one or two point fave, it shouldn't have been this easy.

The why:  UVA came to Clemson when we were 17-0 last year and we drop a 15 pt. lead with 8 min. left for our first loss on the way to a skid that would have us under 50% in league play and an NIT bid.  That evidently motivated a team that's showing a lot of character and played UNC at Clem well enough to win but lost in 2OT, rematch in Chapel Hill, hoping for Duke mope from the Heels and Road Hope from the Tigers on Sun., but of course we've never won there and I don't expect that to change.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on February 10, 2008, 10:28:37 PM
I feel like a slut, getting fucked over and over tends to take it's toll. 

North Carolina shot 30 charity stripes vs. our 9, that's the MATH, alas.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 11, 2008, 11:07:47 AM
The Heels, last time I checked, have shot about 200 more free throws than their opponents JB.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on February 11, 2008, 11:22:28 AM
It's an f-ing joke.  The only way Hainsbrough gets to 39 pts. is from the charity stripe, he has no post moves other than bump your guy off, step into the space he created and throw up an unorthodox half-hook creating contact and usually resulting in a three-point play.  Clemson blew it, sure, but without ref help it never gets to 1OT.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 12, 2008, 04:34:52 PM
Louisville tonight at DePaul, trying to test their "one good game/one bad game" attention span here after playing perhaps their best of the year (the first Marquette game at home was up there, too) against Georgetown (who narrowly escaped Villanova last night).

They should crush DePaul, but let's see where the boys' heads are at.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 12, 2008, 04:44:36 PM
It's an f-ing joke.  The only way Hainsbrough gets to 39 pts. is from the charity stripe, he has no post moves other than bump your guy off, step into the space he created and throw up an unorthodox half-hook creating contact and usually resulting in a three-point play.  Clemson blew it, sure, but without ref help it never gets to 1OT.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 13, 2008, 11:48:29 AM
It's an f-ing joke.  The only way Hainsbrough gets to 39 pts. is from the charity stripe, he has no post moves other than bump your guy off, step into the space he created and throw up an unorthodox half-hook creating contact and usually resulting in a three-point play.  Clemson blew it, sure, but without ref help it never gets to 1OT.


Sometimes the refs just blow calls JB.

The other day it happened as OT in reverse in the Georgetown/Nova game. That game "should" have gone to OT. Some dumbass ref calls a touch foul with the guy 75 feet from the basket with .1 second left on the clock. He made a bonehead call but it happens.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 13, 2008, 12:10:36 PM
As usual you are mistaken. 

The Villanova player fouled the Georgetown player.  Officials are not in the business of a)  looking at the clock before blwoing their whistle or b)  overlooking that a player stepped out of bounds.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 13, 2008, 01:05:32 PM
As usual you are mistaken. 

The Villanova player fouled the Georgetown player.  Officials are not in the business of a)  looking at the clock before blwoing their whistle or b)  overlooking that a player stepped out of bounds.

LOL


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 13, 2008, 01:14:39 PM
What can I say?  You can't put yourself in the position of the official, likely never having officiated.  And you haven't read any followup on the matter, including statements by the Big East commissioner.

Head, meet sand - like I said - your usual.

As you were. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 13, 2008, 03:08:22 PM
What can I say?  You can't put yourself in the position of the official, likely never having officiated.  And you haven't read any followup on the matter, including statements by the Big East commissioner.

Head, meet sand - like I said - your usual.

As you were. 

Well your's isn't in the sand brother. But it's sure as heck up somethin.  :D





Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 13, 2008, 09:37:09 PM
As usual you are mistaken. 

The Villanova player fouled the Georgetown player.  Officials are not in the business of a)  looking at the clock before blwoing their whistle or b)  overlooking that a player stepped out of bounds.

Give it  a rest.   Even the allegedly "fouled" G'towner admitted he never felt a thing and didn't know why the whistel had blown.

Meanwhile, Louie Cards looks scary dominant in Chi-town last night.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 14, 2008, 06:22:08 AM
As usual you are mistaken. 

The Villanova player fouled the Georgetown player.  Officials are not in the business of a)  looking at the clock before blwoing their whistle or b)  overlooking that a player stepped out of bounds.

Give it  a rest.   Even the allegedly "fouled" G'towner admitted he never felt a thing and didn't know why the whistel had blown.

Meanwhile, Louie Cards looks scary dominant in Chi-town last night.

Thanks Jake, but it's obvious Kid never even saw the play. He just likes to disagree with me. It's what he does.  ;)

If I had said it was a perfectly justifiable call I'm sure his stance would have been reversed.  ::)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 14, 2008, 10:18:45 AM
Cap--

South Florida??  South Florida??   2 Big East win South Florida?  (or one up til last night)?

Why is it you are an Orange fan anyway?  I thought you were a Penn State guy?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 14, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
As usual you are mistaken. 

The Villanova player fouled the Georgetown player.  Officials are not in the business of a)  looking at the clock before blwoing their whistle or b)  overlooking that a player stepped out of bounds.

Give it  a rest.   Even the allegedly "fouled" G'towner admitted he never felt a thing and didn't know why the whistel had blown.

Meanwhile, Louie Cards looks scary dominant in Chi-town last night.

Thanks Jake, but it's obvious Kid never even saw the play. He just likes to disagree with me. It's what he does.  ;)

If I had said it was a perfectly justifiable call I'm sure his stance would have been reversed.  ::)

I did see the play.  And heard plenty of commentary afterward.  AND I have officiated.

I disagree with you so often because you're on the wrong side so many times.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 14, 2008, 12:17:22 PM
As usual you are mistaken. 

The Villanova player fouled the Georgetown player.  Officials are not in the business of a)  looking at the clock before blwoing their whistle or b)  overlooking that a player stepped out of bounds.

Give it  a rest.   Even the allegedly "fouled" G'towner admitted he never felt a thing and didn't know why the whistel had blown.

Meanwhile, Louie Cards looks scary dominant in Chi-town last night.

Thanks Jake, but it's obvious Kid never even saw the play. He just likes to disagree with me. It's what he does.  ;)

If I had said it was a perfectly justifiable call I'm sure his stance would have been reversed.  ::)

I did see the play.  And heard plenty of commentary afterward.  AND I have officiated.

I disagree with you so often because you're on the wrong side so many times.



Opinions vary.


I'll admit your's are pretty consistant, although they're usually wrong. But consistant.

It was a no foul, none, nada, nope-aroonie, zipski.

Oh it might have been a foul in some highschool JV game in Made of Glasstown, USA. But not there, uh uhh.



And if you ever reffed a game I pity the poor slobs that had to play through that fiasco if your reffing is as accurate as you sports opinions.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 14, 2008, 12:37:36 PM
Then Villanove gets the ball.

And in saying that you are saying that Villanova gets the ball with 3 seconds left, 10 seconds or 10 minutes.  Time cannot enter your thinking.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 15, 2008, 02:05:30 PM
Then Villanove gets the ball.

And in saying that you are saying that Villanova gets the ball with 3 seconds left, 10 seconds or 10 minutes.  Time cannot enter your thinking.

No. You, surprisingly, obviously either don't know what you're talking about, or you never saw the game.

What happens is the .2 seconds on the clock expires and they move into overtime.

Really easy stuff here. I'll be glad to help you out in the future if you don't really know all that much, as evidenced in the last few posts, about basketball.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 18, 2008, 10:31:49 AM
Nice game by the Cuse against the Hoyas. They'll need to just about win out the rest of the season though to get a bid I think.

Georgetown played a better second half but had dug themselves too big of a hole to climb out of. The Cuse though are hurtin for bodies to play though, having only 7 reliable guys is tough. That's going to were them down if they keep that up.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 18, 2008, 11:02:49 AM
Nice game by the Cuse against the Hoyas. They'll need to just about win out the rest of the season though to get a bid I think.

Georgetown played a better second half but had dug themselves too big of a hole to climb out of. The Cuse though are hurtin for bodies to play though, having only 7 reliable guys is tough. That's going to were them down if they keep that up.

Gonna be especially tough against the press at Lou tonight.   Louisville's got some decent talent but their best asset is their depth.   With McGee, Palacios, Caracter, Knowles, Scott and Farley coming off the bench, it's almost like the Lou has two full teams to run it's suffocating defensive schemes.

The one advantage Boeheim has is height... he always seems to get the height.   The teevee timeouts will help with the "blow" against the press too...

I'm going to be at that game tonight...


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 18, 2008, 03:34:30 PM
Nice game by the Cuse against the Hoyas. They'll need to just about win out the rest of the season though to get a bid I think.

Georgetown played a better second half but had dug themselves too big of a hole to climb out of. The Cuse though are hurtin for bodies to play though, having only 7 reliable guys is tough. That's going to were them down if they keep that up.

Gonna be especially tough against the press at Lou tonight.   Louisville's got some decent talent but their best asset is their depth.   With McGee, Palacios, Caracter, Knowles, Scott and Farley coming off the bench, it's almost like the Lou has two full teams to run it's suffocating defensive schemes.

The one advantage Boeheim has is height... he always seems to get the height.   The teevee timeouts will help with the "blow" against the press too...

I'm going to be at that game tonight...

I agree Ville is just relentless with the pressure. It'll be a miracle for the Cuse to come away with a win I think.

Have a good time Jake, hope you got decent seats.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 18, 2008, 04:57:43 PM
Nice game by the Cuse against the Hoyas. They'll need to just about win out the rest of the season though to get a bid I think.

Georgetown played a better second half but had dug themselves too big of a hole to climb out of. The Cuse though are hurtin for bodies to play though, having only 7 reliable guys is tough. That's going to were them down if they keep that up.

Gonna be especially tough against the press at Lou tonight.   Louisville's got some decent talent but their best asset is their depth.   With McGee, Palacios, Caracter, Knowles, Scott and Farley coming off the bench, it's almost like the Lou has two full teams to run it's suffocating defensive schemes.

The one advantage Boeheim has is height... he always seems to get the height.   The teevee timeouts will help with the "blow" against the press too...

I'm going to be at that game tonight...

I agree Ville is just relentless with the pressure. It'll be a miracle for the Cuse to come away with a win I think.

Have a good time Jake, hope you got decent seats.

Mid court, second level, but not terrible for a "teevee" view of the game.   We had a friend of the firm who had floor seats and he deigned to let us have them for a "throwaway" game this year (Marshall).  Now THAT was something else.   Those kids are BIG close up.   Dude parted with one million cold just for those licenses (and not including the actual ticket prices)... I love hoops, but that's a lot of discretionary income.   

Spread is 10.5 right now, but I've got an office mate who swears we are going to lose this one.   It's a tough match-up as we've struggled with the 2-3 zone this year against UConn and Providence.   

Interesting aside: Boeheim hired Pitino as an assistant on his wedding night.   Allegedly called him up as he and new wife Joanne crossed the threshold of their hotel room.  Pitino: "No, this is my wedding night you see...",  Boeheim, at the airport: "I know, I just need you for an hour, that's it."

Pitino: "You don't understand, we're Catholic, I JUST got married..."

Boeheim: "I know, an hour's all I need...."

Pitino ended up going, got hired and started on a recruiting trip the next day...

The rest is history, I guess... but that's some history between these two.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 18, 2008, 04:59:21 PM
BTW, Cap, what's your Cuse connection again?   Are you from that area?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 18, 2008, 10:31:49 PM
Lou, with the win.... AND the cover.

Those bookies are scary good.   The lead was 2 with about two and half minutes to go, and then Lou got nine straight to finish it.   The spread?  10.5

Bizarre.

Be sure to watch the "Dunkin Donuts Dunk of the night" by T-Will.   The place went as bananas as Giants Stadium during the '86 playoffs when Jim Burt bisected Joe Montana.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 19, 2008, 08:59:13 AM
BTW, Cap, what's your Cuse connection again?   Are you from that area?

I'll repost something that I put here about a month ago Jake. It should explain.

I must admit I've been a Cuse roundball fan since the days of Roy Danforth and the ECAC. LOL, Not too many people will remember either of those names.

But I still remember the 72-73 season and the 73 NCAA tourney. I still hate Maryland whenever I think about it. I remember the next year I ended up wanting to punch out some guy named Oral. Oral?? What a dumb ass name!  :)

The next year it was the entire state of Kentucky that I wanted tossed in the crapper along with their dickwad coach. Not too many people will remember the name of Jimmy Lee either. But to me he was a helluva ballplayer.

After 75-76 Danforth left because he was unhappy over the facilities.(If he only knew)And then Boeheim came on the scene and it was Shackleford, Bouie, Byrnes and Orr...(Or the Bouie and Louie show as it would later come to be coined), and in the beginning of the "new era" I still remember wanting to beat the schilt out of that moron ref that overruled the basket counting and the matchup against Michigan State that never happened. To this day I still think that guy cost us a national championship shot.

A few years later we get screwed by a foul that never was and the Hawkeyes advance. Lotsa highs and lows being a Cuse fan back then, but for sure never boring.

And to this day I'd punch Arsehole Bobby Knight right in his loud mouth given the slightest opportunity.  ;)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 19, 2008, 09:00:59 AM
Lou, with the win.... AND the cover.

Those bookies are scary good.   The lead was 2 with about two and half minutes to go, and then Lou got nine straight to finish it.   The spread?  10.5

Bizarre.

Be sure to watch the "Dunkin Donuts Dunk of the night" by T-Will.   The place went as bananas as Giants Stadium during the '86 playoffs when Jim Burt bisected Joe Montana.

The Ville played a great game Jake. And their defense was, as we talked about, impeccable. I knew going into the second half the Orange were in deep schlit in this one.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 19, 2008, 09:50:37 AM
Thanks man... I think they are peaking at the right time, this year... I just hope they don't burn out before March.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 19, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
Thanks man... I think they are peaking at the right time, this year... I just hope they don't burn out before March.

They got good depth and barring injury they look good. Padget though has to stay healthy or they could have problems.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 19, 2008, 02:42:36 PM
Got 6-1 on UNC.

Sucker bet - yeah, I know,......

Worries right now include

KS, MEM, GTown and AZ.  Stanford closing.  Gettin a good look at TEN this week

(Yeah, I know - I missed a few that you gents pro'lly like)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on February 19, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
Like MARYLAND!!!!!!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 19, 2008, 03:48:36 PM
Go Twerps!!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 20, 2008, 12:49:45 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=3253829

It was enough to have Williams, in a comment on his weekly radio show Monday, telling an unspecified person to "coach their own damn team, I'll coach my team."


An already always interesting game maybe just got more interesting. Looking forward to March 8th.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on February 21, 2008, 02:24:00 AM
Fox had a poll on tues night on who should shut up and it was running 51-49 for Williams which surprised me given the amount of folks including myself who can't stand Duke.The Notre Dame of college B-Ball.Since I don't post in the NBA I did watch tonights Lakers-Suns game on local L.A. tv something I rarely do and it was a good game.Earlier tonight the local L.A. ABC sportscaster was live in the valley of the Sun and Steve Nash told him Shaq had a new nickname for himself.Shaqtus.Now I'm not a big fan but I had to laugh at that one.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on February 24, 2008, 10:00:38 AM
Got 6-1 on UNC.

Sucker bet - yeah, I know,......

Worries right now include

KS, MEM, GTown and AZ.  Stanford closing.  Gettin a good look at TEN this week

(Yeah, I know - I missed a few that you gents pro'lly like)

Until recently I would have said UCLA, but their outside shooting just isn't there.

Of those listed, I don't think Stanford has the overall talent, especially on the perimeter.

And I'm not as high on UNC as I was before the season because their defense has been underwhelming. Maybe a healthy Lawson will help. I think KU (I assume you meant Kansas and "KS" aka Kansas State), GTown, Memphis, and Tennessee all have a good shot with Arizona an intriguing prospect as well.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 25, 2008, 08:14:50 AM
Yesterday's loss to ND all but put the capper on the Cuse's bid to the NCAA tourny goin down the crapper. The Orange shot the worst from the field as I've ever seen them shoot. Anytime you outrebound the opposition by a 47-32 clip you should win the game even if the other team shoots 14 threes. When Flynn and Greene don't shoot well this team ain't gonna win. On to the NIT.  >:(


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on February 25, 2008, 04:08:56 PM
Got 6-1 on UNC.

Sucker bet - yeah, I know,......

Worries right now include

KS, MEM, GTown and AZ.  Stanford closing.  Gettin a good look at TEN this week

(Yeah, I know - I missed a few that you gents pro'lly like)

Wait a minute Kid...are you saying you think Arizona has one of the 7 best shots of winning a national championship?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on February 26, 2008, 09:32:17 AM
Kid is a huge Buddinger fan. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 26, 2008, 11:02:21 PM
Got 6-1 on UNC.

Sucker bet - yeah, I know,......

Worries right now include

KS, MEM, GTown and AZ.  Stanford closing.  Gettin a good look at TEN this week

(Yeah, I know - I missed a few that you gents pro'lly like)

Wait a minute Kid...are you saying you think Arizona has one of the 7 best shots of winning a national championship?

I like their team.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on February 27, 2008, 10:37:58 AM
Got 6-1 on UNC.

Sucker bet - yeah, I know,......

Worries right now include

KS, MEM, GTown and AZ.  Stanford closing.  Gettin a good look at TEN this week

(Yeah, I know - I missed a few that you gents pro'lly like)

Wait a minute Kid...are you saying you think Arizona has one of the 7 best shots of winning a national championship?

I like their team.

So do I, but that doesn't really answer my question


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 27, 2008, 02:55:42 PM
You want a top 7?

That's pretty tough until I see a bracket.

AZ might be there.  We'll see what the next 2 weeks shows.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on February 27, 2008, 03:11:18 PM
Fair enough. And I conceded that anything before the conference tourney's is fool's gold.

I wish I had publicly called Vandy over Tennessee. I was thinking it.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 27, 2008, 08:08:22 PM
Fair enough. And I conceded that anything before the conference tourney's is fool's gold.

I wish I had publicly called Vandy over Tennessee. I was thinking it.

Poor Vols... one week at number one and then to have to go into the very tough den of their hated cross state rivals...

Those games are always like U of L vs. UK with a little "class warfare" thrown in for seasoning.

How freakish is that set up they've got down there at Vandy?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 28, 2008, 10:40:39 AM
Fair enough. And I conceded that anything before the conference tourney's is fool's gold.

I wish I had publicly called Vandy over Tennessee. I was thinking it.

I find it humorous that Cuse backers want to sneak in while some yahoos actually have AZ bubblebound off their recent "woes"

Damn - check their respective strength of scheds.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 28, 2008, 11:09:12 AM


I find it humorous that Cuse backers want to sneak in while some yahoos actually have AZ bubblebound off their recent "woes"



I don't think the Cuse will be "sneaking" in this year. And since I haven't advocated the "sneak in" principle I can only assume you're talking about some other Cuse fan that posts here.

They do still however have the chance to "play themselves in".

Personally I think Arizona has a much better chance to be in as the Cuse does. The SOS rating has to help the Wildcats even with the record they have. It's not helping that Tex A&M is spitting the bit a little lately because that is one of Zona's best OOC wins. But they're probably in if they stay at .500 in the PAC 10.

Both teams have to start winning though, Cuse especially, or they might see each other in the NIT.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on February 28, 2008, 01:00:15 PM
I might be going out on a limb here, but I think Tennessee is among the worst teams to ever have been ranked #1 in my lifetime.   

I think Maryland could beat them.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 28, 2008, 03:47:57 PM
I might be going out on a limb here, but I think Tennessee is among the worst teams to ever have been ranked #1 in my lifetime.   

I think Maryland could beat them.

I think Maryland could beat them too.

I also think they could beat Maryland.

Lots of parity these days at "the top".


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: Urethra_Franklin on February 28, 2008, 03:53:30 PM
Fair enough. And I conceded that anything before the conference tourney's is fool's gold.

I wish I had publicly called Vandy over Tennessee. I was thinking it.


I won $20!

Vandy should be in the top 5


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on February 28, 2008, 03:55:55 PM
Actually, I think Maryland's kind of terrible, too. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 28, 2008, 05:30:53 PM
Actually, I think Maryland's kind of terrible, too. 

Yank, is that KGB Ted in your avatar? 

These damns are so small, they're hard to make out sometimes...


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on February 28, 2008, 05:33:14 PM
Yep.  That's old Teddy KGB himself.  One of the greatest over-the-top performances ever.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 29, 2008, 08:27:59 AM
Actually, I think Maryland's kind of terrible, too. 

They may be one of the more consistant Jeckyl and Hyde teams I've watched over the last ten years. One game I see them play so brilliantly and I end up annointing them hoops gods. The next game they look like they couldn't beat Drexel.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on February 29, 2008, 09:27:05 AM
Really, really inconsistent shooting, led by Greivis Vazquez the most inconsistent player in the country.

They also have the worst time defending the three-point shot-a weakness that's been there pretty much since the championship season.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 29, 2008, 10:00:11 AM
Anyone catch that Cards-Dome game last night?   Damn that Harongody guy is a monster!

40 pts!  That's like an NBA level performance...  We were up by as much as 17 and they would not stay dead, mostly thanks to that guy (and McAlarney, who can hit the three from 40 feet out).

But it wasn't as close as the score indicated... they got quite a few "miracle threes" at the end, but the Cards had ND's number last night.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on February 29, 2008, 03:58:50 PM
Anyone catch that Cards-Dome game last night?   Damn that Harongody guy is a monster!

40 pts!  That's like an NBA level performance...  We were up by as much as 17 and they would not stay dead, mostly thanks to that guy (and McAlarney, who can hit the three from 40 feet out).

But it wasn't as close as the score indicated... they got quite a few "miracle threes" at the end, but the Cards had ND's number last night.

As long as Padgett plays the cards will be a dangerous team.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 02, 2008, 01:32:16 AM
Anyone catch that Cards-Dome game last night?   Damn that Harongody guy is a monster!

40 pts!  That's like an NBA level performance...  We were up by as much as 17 and they would not stay dead, mostly thanks to that guy (and McAlarney, who can hit the three from 40 feet out).

But it wasn't as close as the score indicated... they got quite a few "miracle threes" at the end, but the Cards had ND's number last night.

As long as Padgett plays the cards will be a dangerous team.

Whattaya, tryin' ta jinx 'em?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 02, 2008, 08:31:57 AM
Anyone catch that Cards-Dome game last night?   Damn that Harongody guy is a monster!

40 pts!  That's like an NBA level performance...  We were up by as much as 17 and they would not stay dead, mostly thanks to that guy (and McAlarney, who can hit the three from 40 feet out).

But it wasn't as close as the score indicated... they got quite a few "miracle threes" at the end, but the Cards had ND's number last night.



As long as Padgett plays the cards will be a dangerous team.

Whattaya, tryin' ta jinx 'em?


No way Jake. If they're in the Big East then I'm all for them.(As far as basketball goes)

Beside we can stick a fork in Syracuse with the choke job they came up with yesterday. 

Go Cardinals!  :D


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 03, 2008, 10:18:43 AM
Another quality performance from the Terps last night.  I'm looking for a #2 seed.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 03, 2008, 11:37:07 AM
NIT?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 03, 2008, 12:03:49 PM
I don't think they're good enough for the NIT.  They'll either have to bring back the ol' Commissioner's Tournament (a third Division 1 post-season tourney which lasted only 1 or 2 seasons in the 70's) or see if they can get admitted to the Division 2 or Division 3 tourneys.   


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 03, 2008, 12:06:03 PM
Heh.

I just looked it up and there is going to be a third post-season tourney this season, called the College Basketball Invitational.

The Terps are on the bubble for that one.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 03, 2008, 12:10:15 PM
Weis has Terps as an NCAA 12 seed


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 03, 2008, 12:12:27 PM
That's not on merit. 

But yeah, if they can beat UVA on Sunday and win one game in the ACC Tournament they're likely in.

It's just so embarrasing to watch them, though.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 03, 2008, 12:14:52 PM
Can't finish off games, apparently.

But teams like that have taken positive turns in past NCAAs.

Can't sday I'm rootin for ya - sorry (though seems also you aren't rooting either - maybe you will take that stance in time with the Yanks as well)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 03, 2008, 12:16:40 PM
I'm rooting for them, which is why it's so frustrating.  I don't think they belong in the tournament though.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 04, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Maryland won a couple of games in the tourny or even three if the winds blew just right.

Or, if they got bounced right out in the first round for that matter.

They're that good and that inconsistant.

Sometimes it seems Williams doesn't recruit shooters as much as he just recruits speed and agility. Maybe he thinks he's playing football.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 05, 2008, 12:28:19 AM
He got a good dose of "What's the frequency, Terrence," CLEM's on again/off again Kentucky Rifleman who may have x-ed out MD's chances at a bid.  That said, I love MD as an ACC fan and he's one of my favourite coaches in college hoops.  He had nobody willing to step up when the Tigers marginalized Vasquez in the second half, they seemed scared to shoot when the momentum swung our way, and that was what may make the Tigers a dangerous six seed in the NCAA tourney given a couple more wins.  We look to have played to a bye in the ACC contest as a top four, so a win at GaTech on the trail or VaTech at home and one ACC tourney win, or all three, could catapult us as high as five seed, which would be sensational and the best shot at a sweet sixteen bid as we've been in over a decade.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 05, 2008, 09:11:29 AM
Terrence Oglesby is from Tennessee, not Kentucky.  But you're right.  Maryland should be done.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 05, 2008, 03:44:38 PM
Terrence Oglesby is from Tennessee, not Kentucky.  But you're right.  Maryland should be done.

Maybe they should be, but at this point I don't think they are.

The ACC on reputation alone will probably get at least 5 teams in the big dance, probably 6. If the Terps beat Virginia and win their first game of the ACC tourney they should be in I think.

Yes Miami beat them but Miami still has a couple of tough games to play. BC won't roll over for the canes and you know the Seminoles are not going to make it easy for them in Tallahassee.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 05, 2008, 03:48:52 PM
I think Maryland will likely lose to UVA at UVA (Singletary's last home game) which  would makes thing even more iffy.  I think 6 is a huge stretch for the ACC this season, even given its reputation.  Gary Williams, in selling his team, likes to harp on the Conference's power rating as being the best in the country, but all you have to do is watch the teams other than Duke and UNC play to realize that none of them are consistently good.

I think the team to watch out for in the ACC tourney (no reason other than a hunch) is NC State. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 06, 2008, 10:18:52 AM
I think the team to watch in the ACC tourney is Maryland.

As to the Cav/Terp game I think the Cavs are going to foul too much again and rely on their bench again. And that's where they will lose the game. Again. That is "if" the Terps shoot the lights out in foul shots like they did in the first game. Also I think the Terps whose starters play a lot of minutes will have the luxury of being a tad bit fresher than the Cavs.

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 06, 2008, 10:22:30 AM
Went to the Baltimore Catholic School League (among the handful of best leagues in the country) championship last night.  Saw Sean Mosley who's going to Maryland next year score 35 and completely dominate the game at 6'4.  The other star on the court, Henry Sims, is 6'11 and going to Georgetown, but he needs a lot of development. 

Mosley's buddy Dontae Greene almost talked him into going to Syracuse.

I saw one of Maryland's assistants there, who's a long-time old friend of mine.  I told him of the concerns that I've been expressing on this Board.  He told me to f*** off.  I hope he was joking 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 06, 2008, 03:56:43 PM
Went to the Baltimore Catholic School League (among the handful of best leagues in the country) championship last night.  Saw Sean Mosley who's going to Maryland next year score 35 and completely dominate the game at 6'4.  The other star on the court, Henry Sims, is 6'11 and going to Georgetown, but he needs a lot of development. 

Mosley's buddy Dontae Greene almost talked him into going to Syracuse.

I saw one of Maryland's assistants there, who's a long-time old friend of mine.  I told him of the concerns that I've been expressing on this Board.  He told me to f*** off.  I hope he was joking 

I'm sure he was.

Did he throw anything at you?

Like a jersey and ask you to suit up??


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 07, 2008, 02:34:21 AM
Great Stanford-UCLA game tonight in Westwood till the end of regulation.UCLA gets a huge gift from the refs when Stanford is called for a phantom foul.The Stanford guy gets nothing but ball and is called with like 2 seconds left and UCLA ties it on the freethrows and wins in overtime.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 07, 2008, 10:10:15 AM
Great Stanford-UCLA game tonight in Westwood till the end of regulation.UCLA gets a huge gift from the refs when Stanford is called for a phantom foul.The Stanford guy gets nothing but ball and is called with like 2 seconds left and UCLA ties it on the freethrows and wins in overtime.

Yep. It was a total blowjob call Bo.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 07, 2008, 01:36:57 PM
Says the guy who wanted a no call when the player stepped out of bounds


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 07, 2008, 03:43:56 PM
Says the guy who wanted a no call when the player stepped out of bounds

Actually the guy "never" stepped out of bounds on that play. Ref called a "touch foul".

You didn't know what you were talking about then, and aparently nothing has changed since then.

Please try harder Kidski.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 07, 2008, 04:20:30 PM
Yep.  Bump took him right out of bounds.  Or did you think it was the whistle that got him.  :)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 08, 2008, 11:40:40 PM
UCLA gets another gift this afternoon. On the same play they hacked the Cal guy in the corner,the ball appears to go out of bounds off UCLA and they call it a Cal turnover.UCLA gets the ball and they throw up a one handed prayer from behind the backboard which according to the rules is out of bounds which goes in with a second left and they count it.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 09, 2008, 09:11:06 AM
Yep.  Bump took him right out of bounds.  Or did you think it was the whistle that got him.  :)

The guy "NEVER" actually went out of bounds. The touch foul was called and then the guy continued up the sideline, "IN BOUNDS". Watch the film dude.

Its so funny that you are SO totally clueless. Come back when you know what you're talkin about.

Which basically means you will never come back.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 09, 2008, 11:28:41 PM
Not true.  Player stepped out of bounds.  But regardless -

I trust you abide by "what is a foul in the first 2 minutes of the 2nd quarter is a foul in the last 3 seconds of the game"

Or is it your contention that the defender had "position" or there was no contact?

Heh


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 10, 2008, 09:05:28 AM
Not true.  Player stepped out of bounds.  But regardless -

I trust you abide by "what is a foul in the first 2 minutes of the 2nd quarter is a foul in the last 3 seconds of the game"

Or is it your contention that the defender had "position" or there was no contact?

Heh

Not true the player "didn't" step out of bounds. He got close but no step out.

But regardless: I trust you understand what a foul is. No wait, no you don't. The guy "barely" touched him. I had seen harder contact than that on virtually every play in that game. And they, oddly, weren't whistled. You can't go back and forth from high school reffing to college reffing if you're anywhere's near worth your salt as a ref. The guy choked, he blew it, end of story.

But since you seem in need of sports tutoring(again), try to understand this kid, the refs set a tone for a game. If you'd ever actually reffed "like you say you have" then you'd know that(which leads to the conclusion you're full of it). But "regardless", you don't call that ticky-tack shit after you've set a tone for allowing much rougher play. In fact the whole play before the ball got to the corner resembled a scrum inside and if the refs don't call a foul in there then they...ahh forget it.

Nevermind as, sadly, you're just not bright enough to get this. Just stick to your dippy opinion and allow those of us that actually understand the game to continue conversing about it. Go make some popcorn for us or clean up the kitchen or something.

The Mall's open.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 10, 2008, 10:44:28 AM
If they win one game in the ACC tourney, Maryland should be off the NIT bubble.  Absolutely disgraceful "performance" last night, but one which mirrored the entire season. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 10, 2008, 11:30:28 AM
If they win one game in the ACC tourney, Maryland should be off the NIT bubble.  Absolutely disgraceful "performance" last night, but one which mirrored the entire season. 

As always you seem to have a better feel for the flip flops of the Terps YG. Hats off to you for being right about the Virginia game.

In the way of comment, 7 fouls versus 28 fouls seems to be a bit of a discrepancy though. But since I didn't see the game I can't really comment on that. But, it seems, that nineteen extra points off of FTs was the difference.

You "usually" don't have that extreme range of varience in that catagory. But again, I didn't see the game.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 10, 2008, 12:40:42 PM
Maryland was really, really lazy on defense and got a bunch of dumb reaching fouls.  It was a pretty big discrepancy and one you could see Williams pointing out at the end of the game, but they played an atrociously dumb game and didn't deserve to win.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2008, 01:28:41 PM
Not true.  Player stepped out of bounds.  But regardless -

I trust you abide by "what is a foul in the first 2 minutes of the 2nd quarter is a foul in the last 3 seconds of the game"

Or is it your contention that the defender had "position" or there was no contact?

Heh

Not true the player "didn't" step out of bounds. He got close but no step out.

But regardless: I trust you understand what a foul is. No wait, no you don't. The guy "barely" touched him. I had seen harder contact than that on virtually every play in that game. And they, oddly, weren't whistled.

Not in the open court and with the defender not squared up to he player.  Clear contact.  Clear foul early.  Thus clear foul late.

"Unfortunate" circumstance for a game to be decided like that - yes.  That was the opinion of Big East commissioner Tranghese, who backed the call.  And I agree. 

Nevertheless -

Dipspit defender had no business anywhere near that player, so he gets the STUPID award - and the L.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 10, 2008, 01:37:21 PM
The Mall is still open Kid.

Maybe they have a sale going on at Charlotte Rouse. Enjoy!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2008, 01:39:41 PM
The Mall is still open Kid.

Maybe they have a sale going on at Charlotte Rouse. Enjoy!

Stop being a gayboy.

As for the play - keep an open mind - learn from those that have greater experience, greater understanding.  You'll live a healthier, more productive life.

Cheers.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 10, 2008, 01:44:49 PM
You know, Kid, I want to agree with you.  I don't think the refs cost Villanova that game anymore than a ref ever costs a team that plays as badly as Nova did that game.

But, I must profess shock when a self-professed Christian such as yourself resorts to name-calling.  I know.  I know. You're not perfect.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2008, 01:47:24 PM
Indeed.

-----

Here is the play again.  Clear bump.  And the official has no way of knowing the time remaining.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFPyK_sABGE


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 10, 2008, 01:51:54 PM
As I said, I don't think the refs cost Villanova the game.  At the same time, "clear bumps" were not being called throughout the game and, using your words, a fouls a foul (and by the same token no foul is no foul) no matter what the time.

Villanova shot really, really poorly that game and it's too much to ask the referrees to bail you out, or not, with a call, if you play so badly.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2008, 02:08:38 PM
Again, you need to understand - a bump like that in the open court is a clear FOUL.  Other "bumps" - maybe not so much.

Any contact can be called a "clear bump".  If you have such contact as those 2 players are situated it's a no brainer call.  An EASY call.


And forget just shooting poorly - didnt Nova have the ball with the shot clock turned off ina  tie game?

A SIN to not at least go to OT.  Again - the stupid factor (or what we called back int he 80's the LOUISVILLE FACTOR)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 10, 2008, 02:32:07 PM
The Mall is still open Kid.

Maybe they have a sale going on at Charlotte Rouse. Enjoy!

Stop being a gayboy.

As for the play - keep an open mind - learn from those that have greater experience, greater understanding.  You'll live a healthier, more productive life.

Cheers.

A little slow on the uptake as always.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2008, 02:54:25 PM
You're excused


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 10, 2008, 04:02:13 PM
And you're excised down to size as always.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2008, 04:16:11 PM
Dude - your knowledge just doesnt rate.  This forum was created with hopes more intelligent forms would be on hand - that mokes from the Times would stay where they had landed and we could converse without the dunce brigade chiming in all the time.

But you found us.  Our loss.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 11, 2008, 12:48:12 AM
The upsets are already changing the NCAA teams in.San Diego with a big upset of Gonzaga tonight so they are in and now you have both Gonzaga and St. Marys with  very good records.Three teams though from the West Coast Conf?.Plus VCU out before the finals of the Colonial Athletic and George Mason in.After last years run by the CAA I think both are in.Some Bubble Majors are going to get bounced because of this.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 11, 2008, 08:43:57 AM
Dude - your knowledge just doesnt rate.  This forum was created with hopes more intelligent forms would be on hand - that mokes from the Times would stay where they had landed and we could converse without the dunce brigade chiming in all the time.

But you found us.  Our loss.

Sit down and zip it.

My jock strap doesn't stink as much as your opinions.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 11, 2008, 02:19:41 PM


  Again - the stupid factor (or what we called back int he 80's the LOUISVILLE FACTOR)


Showing your "expertise" again Dim-sum?

Would that be the same "80's" that L'ville took 20% of the NCAA championships from?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 11, 2008, 03:05:34 PM


  Again - the stupid factor (or what we called back int he 80's the LOUISVILLE FACTOR)


Showing your "expertise" again Dim-sum?

Would that be the same "80's" that L'ville took 20% of the NCAA championships from?


How dare you Jake!!!!

Don't you know Kid is an authority on everything? He used to referee the final four on a regular basis. And he invented the question mark.


Title: Just like we've been saying
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 12, 2008, 10:22:42 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3286819&sportCat=ncb

...The Minutes does not want to be a mope, or a hysterical overreactor, or a false prophet of doom. But it has been an ugly season for basketball officiating, and the fear is that it will continue with crucial gaffes at precisely the wrong time.


Namely, now. ...

...Just in the past week, Pauley Pavilion seemingly became Homer Central: the atrocious foul call against Stanford's Lawrence Hill (2) on Thursday night while he was snuffing a Darren Collison shot with 2.5 seconds left; and the egregious non-call on UCLA's mugging of Cal forward Ryan Anderson (3) in the corner two days later. That, of course, was followed by the non-call on the over-the-backboard shot by UCLA's Josh Shipp (4) -- which at least was close, as opposed to the other two. ...

...But this isn't just a West Coast problem. Villanova was hosed against Georgetown on an inexplicable call 80 feet from the basket that gave the Hoyas two free throws in the final second to win. In fact, Georgetown has been the East Coast version of UCLA, also getting a no-call when Patrick Ewing Jr. (5) blocked/goaltended a winning layup at West Virginia, plus a bailout Marquette foul call to get that game into overtime. ...








Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 12, 2008, 10:34:56 AM
I knew when I read that article yesterday, that it would wind up here today.  Some pronostications are sure things.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 12, 2008, 12:11:35 PM
I knew when I read that article yesterday, that it would wind up here today.  Some pronostications are sure things.

Yesterday? Are you saying I'm slow?? Foul!! FOUL I SAY!!!  You're lucky Josh isn't in charge over here mister.

But then, I have to admit I've always had great faith in your uncanny abilty to predict the future Michel.

So who gets in the Big Dance? Arizona, Syracuse, Maryland? All of them, none of them, one of them...???


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 12, 2008, 12:46:57 PM
I think Syracuse is actually in, but West Virginia might be out.    I think both Maryland is out (unless of course, they win the ACC Tourney).   Arizona is just too close to call.  They could be the last team in.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 12, 2008, 01:17:43 PM
I think Syracuse is actually in, but West Virginia might be out.    I think both Maryland is out (unless of course, they win the ACC Tourney).   Arizona is just too close to call.  They could be the last team in.

Okay.

I think Cuse is out unless they at least beat Nova and maybe even need to beat G'Town too.

Arizona IMO should be out unless they win at least their first PAC-10 Tourney game.

I agree with you totally on Maryland. They fugged themselves by dropping the Virginia game.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 12, 2008, 01:21:43 PM
Maryland put themselves in a hole early losing, at home to Ohio and American.  Strangely, they then beat UNC-which is one of the most inexplicable wins in college basketball history and played at least decently after that.  The last 3 weeks they've been mostly awful and not only does how you play at the end count, but also consistency.

I think Arizona has some of the same consistency issues. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 12, 2008, 01:24:57 PM
If AZ gets in it will be because they played and LOST more games vs tough teams.

Listening, Boeheim?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 12, 2008, 02:56:39 PM
If AZ gets in it will be because they played and LOST more games vs tough teams.

Listening, Boeheim?

As usual you have your finger on the heartbeat of ignorance Kid.

Cuse will be out yes, but not beacuse of Cuse having a weak SOS. Yeah Arizona is #2 in SOS but Cuse has an SOS of 7 genius. Now there's a big difference.

A couple more losses against "good teams" or "bad teams" at this point won't be the difference maker here cadet. It'll simply be because they just lost too many games period.

Arizona's big claim to fame isn't their SOS or what teams they did or didn't beat. Their claim to fame is that they beat Texas A&M, a team that has flat fell on its face in the last 7 games losing 5 out of their last 7 games. 4 of those games by an average of almost 20 points per game.

Zona BTW hasn't been exactly mowing them down either getting their asses shellacked 7 out of their last 10 games. That flat out sucks just as much as Cuse losing 6 out of their last 9.

We're talking about three marginal teams, at best, sneaking into the tourney. Cuse just shot themselves in the foot losing to Nova today. Maryland and Zona still have a chance to fight their way in.

But then you've proven over the years that you really know very little about anything so why bother trying to school you. But you could at least "try" to keep up anyways.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 12, 2008, 03:08:05 PM
Not a ranked team on their sched, aside from in conference:



http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/sci/schedule;_ylt=AodReQJXApVm9dULlX9Jf_rp07YF

Tougher sched than in other years, so I give Jimmy B some credit


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 12, 2008, 03:47:31 PM
Sad that you just can't get it.

I really do hate to leave you behind.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 13, 2008, 04:27:18 PM
I think WVU's Joe Alexander is one of the more underrated players in the country.  Freakish athlete.


Title: Program note
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2008, 05:26:24 PM
MSG  has Arizona-Stanford 11:30 PM


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: Urethra_Franklin on March 13, 2008, 06:43:45 PM
GTown gets it done against NOVA, with Hibbert scoring 0 points


Title: Re: Program note
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 14, 2008, 08:27:04 AM
MSG  has Arizona-Stanford 11:30 PM

And Stanford has Zona at 1:30am.


Title: Mike and the Dog TFF
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 14, 2008, 01:25:45 PM
Francessa:  "UNLV shoudl win tonight to feel comfortable."

24-7, 12-4, ....

PLEASE.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 16, 2008, 05:27:06 PM
CLEMFAN69:  "Well, NC finally beat us."

But they did, no refs, no complaints, we have lost three to UNC but at least Hansborough didn't go to the line 28 times today (really, that's no bullshit).  I thought they called a square game and beating Duke becase of Paulus and K-Shef beats the shit out of beating UNC and losing to DUKE in the final, so I knew we were unlikely to win, but I hope that Clemson fought their way into a five seed.  We are balanced enough to give anybody but Memphis and UCLA hell, and maybe them too.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 16, 2008, 11:48:29 PM
Amazing that Arizona gets in and Oregon for that matter and more worthy schools are left out.Despite the fact that mid-majors have done very well the past several years means nothing to the NCAA which is still and old boys network biased towards the large schools.I only mention the Pac Ten teams cause I'm familiar with them.I know that at least one SEC team got a gift and a Big Ten which is the most overated big conf.Dayton is the big loser here but Eastern Ill. and VCU also should have been in the field.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 17, 2008, 03:28:00 AM
I did my first Fox bracket and took Georgetown over Memphis 79-76.I'll do a few more and one pool with a friend from NYCity in his bldg.But my favorite one is the one I do with a frat brother/roomate we have done since 1980.The winner each year gets a large rusty metal spike on a piece of wood I found on the beach at Lake Tahoe around 1986 near my brothers house.It would have been used on the railroad track that led out to the end of the pier that was there.We pick by round so it becomes more of a chess match in the later rounds where you try and pick your spots if you are behind.So you might make picks you would not picking brackets all the way through before the tournament starts.Just to drop names my brothers closest neighbor through the woods is Dave Kingman though he lives there year round and we don't.Kingman is right off the first green on the golf course though I don't think he golfs.He's actually a big hunter/fisherman and a nice guy.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 17, 2008, 03:33:24 AM
How about a new question/poll here like who will win the NIT


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 17, 2008, 10:55:33 AM
The last bracket I won was in 1998. 'Twas a weighted bracket, extra points for picking a lower seed and such. I had Kentucky going all the way and smoked the field by double digit points. Hmmm... ten years ago, that Final Four was in San Antonio as well. Gotta find me a #4 seed again. Or maybe bottle's #5 Clemson.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 17, 2008, 11:05:14 PM
I hate our draw of game-tested teams like Nova and if we get past them Vandy, I mean, if we played ourselves into a five-seed (like I predicted), then what happens if you are a 7, does it matter, no.  "5" is the new "11," I guess, but really my point is that if you are not a 1-3 seed you probably have a challenging road to the sweet sixteen arguably.

I like us winning in single digits in both games.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 18, 2008, 02:53:36 AM
I have this little voice in my head saying'take Cornell over Stanford" but of course if I pick em they'll get rolled.I liked it a lot more when Princeton and their slowdown game gave them a chance against the big boys.I still rub it in my UCLA friends faces.I do like both Purdue and West Virginia as teams that could do some damage but they are in the same bracket.Does Gonzaga do anything now that they aren't the darling they were for a few years.Who is the new Gonzaga?Can George Mason make another run.Is Siena this years Bucknell.Will the Gators ever be allowed back in to their practice facility.Can UCLA and Duke both lose before the sweet sixteen and make me very happy.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 18, 2008, 06:17:39 AM
First round game of interest? Butler and South 'Bama. Could either team take out Tennessee? Pro'lly not, but if it does happen I'm heading to Vegas for the regionals. I got a feeling.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 18, 2008, 09:54:33 AM
Just out of curiosity, when did Billy Donovan become such an asswipe?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 18, 2008, 04:31:24 PM
...about 40 years ago.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 19, 2008, 08:42:12 AM
Just out of curiosity, when did Billy Donovan become such an asswipe?

You could see it last year as he flip-flopped.

BTW: I always thought Kim Novak was an incredible babe.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: mickeyd on March 19, 2008, 09:41:36 AM
Just out of curiosity, when did Billy Donovan become such an asswipe?

When he realized that he was coaching college kids instead of the NBA team that left last season. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 19, 2008, 10:18:43 AM
Amazing that Arizona gets in and Oregon for that matter and more worthy schools are left out.Despite the fact that mid-majors have done very well the past several years means nothing to the NCAA which is still and old boys network biased towards the large schools.I only mention the Pac Ten teams cause I'm familiar with them.I know that at least one SEC team got a gift and a Big Ten which is the most overated big conf.Dayton is the big loser here but Eastern Ill. and VCU also should have been in the field.

How many teams did you want to see get in from the best conference in the land?

FIVE?

You jest.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 19, 2008, 11:28:55 AM
The Terps and the 'Cuse coming up Capn' Cargo.  I hope you're as fired up as me!!!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 19, 2008, 12:43:46 PM
The Terps and the 'Cuse coming up Capn' Cargo.  I hope you're as fired up as me!!!

An epic clash of titans and no doubt an instant classic in the offing.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on March 19, 2008, 01:25:37 PM
How much of the NIT is generally televised?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 19, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
A lot of.  For example there were at least 6 NIT games I could have watched last night.  I think the same tonight.

It's actually pretty depressing to watch and the only reason I watched Maryland is out of loyalty.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 19, 2008, 02:31:01 PM
A lot of.  For example there were at least 6 NIT games I could have watched last night.  I think the same tonight.

It's actually pretty depressing to watch and the only reason I watched Maryland is out of loyalty.

I couldn't see The Cuse, but watched the NIT game anyways over the NCAA "play-in" game, without even having to ponder the merits of either/or.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 19, 2008, 05:49:16 PM
Sounds like my Clem Tigers at a 5 seed are a darling of the "bracketology"-scrawling fizz-slurping chezz-it popping cubicle office-boys of the world, judging from some of the ESPN polling and some sports radio I have listened to, I just hope we get past Vandy.  We will hammer Villanova.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 19, 2008, 06:00:18 PM
By the way I think it's disgusting that ESPN would hire somebody like Bobby Knight to talk about basketball.  He hits kids.  Period.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 19, 2008, 08:02:34 PM
All about the ratings.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 19, 2008, 08:25:22 PM
 "He hits Kids".Hey,how many chairs you think are in therapy because of Bobby.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: harrie on March 19, 2008, 10:18:26 PM
UCLA vs. Kentucky in the semis -- who wins?



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 19, 2008, 10:44:21 PM
I've got UCLA going all the way. And if Kentucky gets past Stanford, they won't get by Texas.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 20, 2008, 11:28:38 AM
Just put Pittsburgh in my money pool Final 4 off KNIGHT's recommendation.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: hybrot on March 20, 2008, 12:32:10 PM
I had Pitt going deep anyway. 

Upsets?  I have a few, St. Joe's, Davidson Arizona and St. Mary'sand Baylor.  My pool has bonus points so I went with the higher seeds in games where the winner would be beat in round two either way.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 20, 2008, 03:45:19 PM
Bobby Knight is a criminal.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on March 20, 2008, 04:10:05 PM
Why, just because he was a mentor to Isiah Thomas?

I'm kidding.

Kent St with 1 assist, 17 turnovers in the first half. 4 fouls, 5 field goals. Of course, this morning I changed my pick from UNLV to the Golden Flashes. Very prescient.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 20, 2008, 06:46:46 PM
Just put Pittsburgh in my money pool Final 4 off KNIGHT's recommendation.

Chickened out at last minute - went back to Memphis




Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: hybrot on March 20, 2008, 07:49:42 PM
bad move bro

forget about knight, I've had a good feeling about them ever since the conference tourney,


But what do I know, I went with Kent St. and a prayer


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 20, 2008, 08:48:11 PM
I have Pittsburgh beating Memphis and losing to Texas.

But I don't know shit about college basketball.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 20, 2008, 10:48:02 PM
Heh

Is aid WVA would lose if they shot under 33% from 3

(Not that they would win if they shot over)

5-7 from deep and up by 1 at the half

WAKE UP, BAYLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thanatopsy on March 20, 2008, 10:49:11 PM
I thought Gerald Henderson should have been assessed a foul for charging at the end as the defender appeared to have his feet planted.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 21, 2008, 08:20:08 AM
Arizona shouldn't have been selected for the Big Dance. Zona State which had beaten Arizona in "both" of their reg season meetings should have been tabbed instead. The committee effed up.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 21, 2008, 08:26:24 AM
Good game in the Terp/Orange game YG.

If you look at the stats its hard to figure out why the game's score ended up so lopsided. I guess it boils down to Greivis Vasquez. He got his assists but, somehow, he forgot to score in the first half.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 21, 2008, 06:11:30 PM
UConn goes down. Looks like the only major upset so far. Too bad Duke wasn't one.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 21, 2008, 10:35:45 PM
"Looks like I picked the wrong day to stop drinking".What a shitty day for picks.In my one on one thinh I'm trailing my buddy by 4  and I don't even want to look at my Fox brackets after today.I think I had UConn going to the final 4 in one.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 21, 2008, 11:28:18 PM
I just looked at the three entries I did on Fox.The first one I did which was last Sunday night before I read any of the upset specials and all the other stuff  from many sources I'm 23-5 on including having Siena which surprised even me.I did a double look.I picked them?.The other two brackets done after all my reading I'm 19-9 and 18-10.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 22, 2008, 03:22:17 AM
The creative suggestion that Clemson didn't get mugged by the refs, fouling out our front court, in addition to the fact that they had a shot of former thug and rigger Massimino, makes me square with the diceing.  We were up by twenty, and then got nickel and dimed.  March "madness" is a fucking joke, and for those of you with the benefit of tivo can see how getting the line turned into getting the moneyline, pathetic, crooks, litereally, the worst I have ever seen.  No more of these games for me:  It was a purse snatch.  Pathetic.

This is why people think that college hoops are rigged up, because they fucking are, check the tivo, nonbeliever, fuck all that, I'm done with the Vegas/Spread rope a dope.  I didn't even play the game, but you ace by foul our two best players on touch fouls, this being the big east, you can go fuck yourselves, and nice take...

We were up 18 at one point, joke, joke, joke.  So fucking lousy mob hit that I amost have t0 give cred for the MONEYLINE GUYS, nice work.

Total fucking JOKE.  Sour grapes??

Fuck you.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 22, 2008, 08:15:37 AM
Word.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 22, 2008, 10:26:40 AM
Bummer. Don't have tivo and don't even have cable. I'll take your word on it. Da bastids.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 22, 2008, 11:07:30 AM
http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?action=post;quote=79735;topic=14.240;num_replies=247;sesc=13edc49135086e344ac6285d3d342eed

Yet another reason why baseball is the best sport.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 22, 2008, 02:30:54 PM
In all fairness, I was angry and pissed last night, we needed to knock down shots to stay in the thing and got out of our halfcourt O in the first half because we were living well by the 3.

But you look at the Big East, where unlike the Coach K ball that has been engineered in the ACC (seems to be changing some), I thought you had to get your money's worth for a foul.  I know the refs weren't Big East refs, but they still should know they are fouling a guy out when they call a touch foul.  How many minutes has T. Hansborough logged with 3 or 4 fouls.  Plenty.  And maybe he should, otherwise you are removing their best player because he is playing hard.

Stupid.  I'd like to see the game again in a different light before I say there was a biased officiating crew, and I admit that we can't shoot 25% in the second half and win.

So, anyway, best to your team if they remain, I'm switching back to football.

I had just hoped that after going 10-6 in the ACC and winning two more before losing in the League Tourney, that we would make it to the sweet 16 and some kid would say hey, I really like what the Tigers do, and we would get a player or two that we don't ordinarily get.

Also:  Note to the AD, you remember when Tommy Bowden lost that bowl game when you gave him an extention between the regular season and the bowl game??  Because you did the same think with Oliver Purnell, which was in order, but wait until it's all over, you don't have to pay as much as it turns out, and $$$ doesn't get in the way of hoops, dumbasses.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 22, 2008, 04:41:21 PM
Duke is was Duke. Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 22, 2008, 10:30:17 PM
With coaching "flopping," he is single-handedly responsible for the poor state of college basketball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeuuS2HiYEM




Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 22, 2008, 11:16:14 PM
With coaching "flopping," he is single-handedly responsible for the poor state of college basketball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeuuS2HiYEM




Wow, those Clemson players are out of control.

Oh, well, I picked Duke to lose in this round, and they did. Now, if Davidson can get past G'Town...


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 22, 2008, 11:21:21 PM
Damn. The Aggies are looking to upset my pick for top dawgs.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 23, 2008, 10:26:11 AM
...from many sources I'm 23-5 on including having Siena which surprised even me.I did a double look.I picked them?...

LOL

Your inner B'ball guru was surely guiding you that day Bo.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 23, 2008, 10:38:53 AM
Clemson shouldn't have lost that game. And I agree it was a bullspit call on that particular foul.

But IMO the Tigers poor free-throw shooting killed them again. That and throwing up a boatload of 3's with only about 27% of them going in.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 23, 2008, 11:08:40 AM
Friggin' MICHIGAN STATE!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 23, 2008, 03:28:03 PM
Cap:  Yeah, Oliver Purnell said that "You can not make the mistake of falling in love with the "three," which we did..."

The problem with playing well in the first half is that we didn't get our halfcourt game going and any mo for our big guys Mays and Booker, nice touches early gets a rhthym going and Booker has gone for 30+ this year, Oglesby was 1-11, mostly threes, and we were outrebounded 3-2 (ratio).  They shot something like 26 free throws and we a little over half that, they at 75% or so and we at 50.  We deserve to lose and 'Nova deserves credit for hanging around. 

That said Oglesby is a freshman, as is Stitt, who played the best game of his career vs. 'Nova after his worst against Duke.  I'm amped about the program and the future and feel like we got jobbed on a few calls but I'm mainly disappointed that we didn't get to the 16 and pick up a recruit, and because we play well against good teams.  Playing 'Nova, we were blowing them out like G-town did in the Conference tournament, I think they beat 'Nova by 18, our biggest lead.  The difference:  Hubris.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 24, 2008, 02:02:13 AM
Davidson really screwed one of my brackets today as I had Georgetown going all the way in that one.In another I had UCONN taking out UCLA next weekend so I'm screwed there also.Of my three brackets I have 10-10 and 9 left in the sweet 16.I got lucky taking West Virginia all the way through this weekend in all three and beyond in one.I also thought Villanova could make a run in two of my brackets but Purdue let me down.In my one on one with old frat brother I'm down 4 with 13 games left so now have to pick my spots.UCLA got very lucky last night and while I like Loves game the pro UCLA crowd was booing at every call that went against them even the obvious ones which is why I dislike UCLA so much.Bruins b-ball fans are almost as smug and revolting as Duke fans.Almost.I'm most impressed so far by the kid from Davidson who can really play.What North Carolina has done so far and West Virginia who I thought had the kind of team that could do well come tournament time with a physical style some good role players and a chip on their shoulder despite past tournament runs.Some people act like they are a mid major instead of a Big East team.Plus they have a real mascot in the Mountain Man wearing a coonskin cap, waving his shotgun around instead of one of those oversized stuffed animals.You think the dudes who wear those costumes get any chicks?Someone should do a book on that.Haven't seen much of Kanas or Texas but Tenn looks very beatable.I was tempted to take Butler today and while 12 seed Western Kentucky is in the sweet 16 they got there by a great great three point shot at the buzzer and a win over a 13 seed today.So I really can't gauge them vs UCLA.Kudos to Wisconsin also who seems to be flying under the radar.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 24, 2008, 07:15:36 AM
The Tar Heels have made it look easy so far but the East bracket is the only one to advance the top four seeds. Could be difficult but they are the favorite in my estimation. I like Wisconsin to come out of the Midwest. The South bracket may provide the three most competitive games. Any of those four could end up as champion. I'm still sticking with UCLA to win it all. They seem to be able to do what is necessary when it is necessary.

Haven't seen much of Kanas or Texas


Texas is not deep and needs all five starters to contribute. They had a few questionable losses during the season and had to hold on yesterday, but they did beat Kansas, Tennessee and UCLA during the season. Augustin is the engine that drives them but I look at Abrams as the guy who has to be on his game. If he is getting open and is hitting his threes it opens it up for Augustin to make plays.

So far, so much fun.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 24, 2008, 07:18:58 AM
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Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 24, 2008, 09:46:30 AM
With coaching "flopping," he is single-handedly responsible for the poor state of college basketball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeuuS2HiYEM




Wow, those Clemson players are out of control.

Oh, well, I picked Duke to lose in this round, and they did. Now, if Davidson can get past G'Town...

YES!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 24, 2008, 09:47:42 AM
You think the dudes who wear those costumes get any chicks?

Some of the "dudes" are "chicks".



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 24, 2008, 11:15:38 AM
Friggin' MICHIGAN STATE!
Them's my boys!  Izzo's taking them all the way!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jmmengel on March 24, 2008, 01:14:45 PM
"It's still basketball season and already Rich Rodriguez is
0-1 against Ohio State."--Drew Sharp, Detroit Free Press



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2008, 01:19:09 PM
Not a prob


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 24, 2008, 03:11:00 PM
"Some of the "dudes" are "chicks" Maybe they date each other?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 24, 2008, 06:56:56 PM
I think Aerosmith laid that topic to rest years ago, gentlemen, really.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 24, 2008, 11:31:19 PM
The last bracket I won was in 1998. 'Twas a weighted bracket, extra points for picking a lower seed and such. I had Kentucky going all the way and smoked the field by double digit points. Hmmm... ten years ago, that Final Four was in San Antonio as well. Gotta find me a #4 seed again. Or maybe bottle's #5 Clemson.

Hope you settled on Jake's #3, Louey.

Lookin' good in a tough bracket.   Tests coming.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 24, 2008, 11:34:20 PM
I love missing a week or two and doing the "time machine."

I hate our draw of game-tested teams like Nova and if we get past them Vandy, I mean, if we played ourselves into a five-seed (like I predicted), then what happens if you are a 7, does it matter, no.  "5" is the new "11," I guess....



Or the new "worse than 12?"   :-*

(Sorry Bottle, Nova was Dad and little bro's alma mater)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 24, 2008, 11:35:58 PM
Just out of curiosity, when did Billy Donovan become such an asswipe?

Too many years under the Pitino radiation gun.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 24, 2008, 11:37:22 PM


How many teams did you want to see get in from the best conference in the land?

FIVE?



The Big East had way more than five go to the Tourney.   Geezuz, can't you even count?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 24, 2008, 11:41:48 PM
Sounds like my Clem Tigers at a 5 seed are a darling of the "bracketology"-scrawling fizz-slurping chezz-it popping cubicle office-boys of the world, judging from some of the ESPN polling and some sports radio I have listened to, I just hope we get past Vandy.  We will hammer Villanova.

Ouch!

I ever tell you about the war hero (Viet Nam) I met on the beach of South Carolina?  He was a big motivational speaker and owned a five million $ crib on the beach just south of Lietchfield.

He was mile a minute talking -- reminded me of James Carville -- but positive, upbeat, wildly funny despite having one arm, one eye and one and half legs.   

He ended up almost every funny story with -- "Aw hail, whatta I know anyway?  Ah never went to no college.... I went to Clemson!"


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 24, 2008, 11:42:59 PM
Just put Pittsburgh in my money pool Final 4 off KNIGHT's recommendation.

Doh!  :'(


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 24, 2008, 11:47:40 PM

(Borderline psychopathic rant redacted)

Total fucking JOKE.  Sour grapes??



Sour?  Geezus, they're filled with a particularly deadly form of carbolic acid.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 25, 2008, 06:24:42 AM

Hope you settled on Jake's #3, Louey.

Lookin' good in a tough bracket.   Tests coming.

I have 'em losing in this next round. To Butler. DOH!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 25, 2008, 04:29:03 PM

Hope you settled on Jake's #3, Louey.

Lookin' good in a tough bracket.   Tests coming.

I have 'em losing in this next round. To Butler. DOH!

That's just the kind of disrespect that fuels their terrific, 30 point drubbing rage.

Actually, I had Butler beating Tennessee as well... and they damn well should've!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 25, 2008, 04:46:03 PM
Just put Pittsburgh in my money pool Final 4 off KNIGHT's recommendation.

Doh!  :'(

Heh - I changed it back, numbnuts.

How about you grace us with your bracket from here on in instead of just critiquing others.

Nah - didnt think youd be up for it.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 25, 2008, 04:52:14 PM
Just put Pittsburgh in my money pool Final 4 off KNIGHT's recommendation.

Doh!  :'(

Heh - I changed it back, numbnuts.

How about you grace us with your bracket from here on in instead of just critiquing others.

Nah - didnt think youd be up for it.



Why do you need my bracket "from here," Nimbletitz?

Why not give you the whole deal?

Hint -- I had G'town and Pitt going further.   Call it "Big East Bias."

But I knew your Arizona was schit from the get go, despite the dimwit Media fawn-a-thon.

Odd, no?

I have Kansas winning it all, over UCLA.   Way out on a limb, yes?   Tex-ass and NoCarry the other 2 FF's although now I kind of wish I'd kept with my beloved Boids, as they look "on fiah."

Had Davidson winning their first, along with WKU, but neither in the Sweetness.   Shocking, that.

Kansas just looks so good.   Jeez.  UCLA and Texass, not so much.  Memphis is a ticking time bomb, and time is running short.

If the Boids get by Tenn (I think they will, and have that in my bracket), it'll be a battle with NoCarry, and a close one.





Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 25, 2008, 04:56:16 PM
I had AZ out in 2.  Congrats on your WVA over Duke.

7 of Elite 8 alive in each bracket.  All 4 Final 4 teams in one, 3 of 4 in the other.  Chance to cash about 8 bills (Wisconsin, Xavier and Stanford the key teams this next round).

This is not to say I have done better than you - just that you need to stop talking down to the crowd in this particular forum.

Capiche?

(BTW - there is a second chance pool.  If I have the time I will set one up tomorrow.  You pick anew using just the 16 left)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 25, 2008, 05:44:23 PM
I had AZ out in 2.  Congrats on your WVA over Duke.

7 of Elite 8 alive in each bracket.  All 4 Final 4 teams in one, 3 of 4 in the other.  Chance to cash about 8 bills (Wisconsin, Xavier and Stanford the key teams this next round).

This is not to say I have done better than you - just that you need to stop talking down to the crowd in this particular forum.

Capiche?

(BTW - there is a second chance pool.  If I have the time I will set one up tomorrow.  You pick anew using just the 16 left)

Are you talking to me??

Who exactly am I "talking down to?"     

I fear you may be nutz.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on March 26, 2008, 01:02:37 PM
Jake--the time machine treated me pretty well, I said Villanova was a tough draw, but I didn't think we would drop an 18 pt. lead the way we did.  Tampa must be too near the Bermuda Triangle the way upsets were happening down there.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 27, 2008, 10:11:40 AM
Just put Pittsburgh in my money pool Final 4 off KNIGHT's recommendation.

Doh!  :'(

Heh - I changed it back, numbnuts.

How about you grace us with your bracket from here on in instead of just critiquing others.

Nah - didnt think youd be up for it.



Why do you need my bracket "from here," Nimbletitz?

Why not give you the whole deal?

Hint -- I had G'town and Pitt going further.   Call it "Big East Bias."

But I knew your Arizona was schit from the get go, despite the dimwit Media fawn-a-thon.

Odd, no?

I have Kansas winning it all, over UCLA.   Way out on a limb, yes?   Tex-ass and NoCarry the other 2 FF's although now I kind of wish I'd kept with my beloved Boids, as they look "on fiah."

Had Davidson winning their first, along with WKU, but neither in the Sweetness.   Shocking, that.

Kansas just looks so good.   Jeez.  UCLA and Texass, not so much.  Memphis is a ticking time bomb, and time is running short.

If the Boids get by Tenn (I think they will, and have that in my bracket), it'll be a battle with NoCarry, and a close one.




I have Michigan State winning it all.  Which I am sure comes as a major shock.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 27, 2008, 10:17:49 AM





I have Michigan State winning it all.  Which I am sure comes as a major shock.
[/quote]

Two weeks ago, I would've said you were nuts... now?   Not so much.

That little white kid that looks like someone's accountant, and all those bangers inside might make for the right combination vs. "Streetball" tomorrow night.   I bet you wish you were playing that one in Detroit, though.   


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 27, 2008, 10:25:21 AM
"That little white kid" has been horribly inconsistent this season.  Perhaps his injuries have been the issue, but he was picked, by some, as a preseason First Team All-America.  Counting on him for anything is always dicey.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 27, 2008, 11:26:32 AM





I have Michigan State winning it all.  Which I am sure comes as a major shock.

Two weeks ago, I would've said you were nuts... now?   Not so much.

That little white kid that looks like someone's accountant, and all those bangers inside might make for the right combination vs. "Streetball" tomorrow night.   I bet you wish you were playing that one in Detroit, though.   
[/quote]

Racist-elitist.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 27, 2008, 05:22:13 PM





I have Michigan State winning it all.  Which I am sure comes as a major shock.

Two weeks ago, I would've said you were nuts... now?   Not so much.

That little white kid that looks like someone's accountant, and all those bangers inside might make for the right combination vs. "Streetball" tomorrow night.   I bet you wish you were playing that one in Detroit, though.   

Racist-elitist.
[/quote]

Dimwit.  ::)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on March 27, 2008, 05:58:18 PM





I have Michigan State winning it all.  Which I am sure comes as a major shock.

Two weeks ago, I would've said you were nuts... now?   Not so much.

That little white kid that looks like someone's accountant, and all those bangers inside might make for the right combination vs. "Streetball" tomorrow night.   I bet you wish you were playing that one in Detroit, though.   

Racist-elitist.

Dimwit.  ::)
[/quote]


Okay, we'll add "Dimwit" to your list, and "David Duke Wannabe".


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on March 28, 2008, 12:03:21 AM
West Virginia really blew that game tonight.A few free throws made and they win.Every time they had a big free throw or throws to make up went bricks.I have a bad feeling about Memphis  if they don't start hitting some.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: Dzimas on March 28, 2008, 01:32:53 AM
Of course it means virtually nothing, but a rematch between Florida and Ohio St. is shaping up in the NIT Tournament final.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 28, 2008, 07:53:59 AM
I'm sure it means something to some bodies.

Yes, Louisville has gained my respect. As if that means anything to them. I'd like to see them make it to the Final Four. They have a colorful history what with Doctor Dunkenstein and Never Nervous Pervis.

UCLA seems to have shaken off their recent funk.

Love it. Better than the BCS.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 28, 2008, 07:58:37 AM
Hmmm. Did a quick Google and 'twas UCLA that Griffith and Co. beat to win the title in 1980.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 28, 2008, 09:47:20 AM
I'm sure it means something to some bodies.

Yes, Louisville has gained my respect. As if that means anything to them. I'd like to see them make it to the Final Four. They have a colorful history what with Doctor Dunkenstein and Never Nervous Pervis.

UCLA seems to have shaken off their recent funk.

Love it. Better than the BCS.
Not to mention my favorite Louisville team, the one that lost to Phi Slamma Jamma in 1983 in what I still think of as the most thrilling NCAA Tourney game I've seen.  The entire game was played about a foot above the rim. 

Scooter and Rodney McRay, Milt Wagner, Lancaster Gordon....  Against The Glide, The Dream, Mr. Mean, The Silent Assassin, Cadillac....  Great freaking game, sometimes forgotten due to the iconic shot of Jimmy Valvano, running around the court and looking for someone to hug, just two days later.

yank -

How long to get me one with green nail polish?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 28, 2008, 11:01:10 AM
That was a slam fest alright.  I was a Slamma Jamma fan back then in protest of the firing of Abe Lemons and the dreaded Bob Weltlich (sp?) years at UT. Cougar High had that championship in the bag. Missed free throws and Guy Lewis taking the foot off the accelerator doomed them.

Hope to be rooting against the green and white come Sunday. Got another shade of red to deal with tonite, tho'.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 28, 2008, 11:34:35 AM
3:00 o'clock this afternoon, Whiskey, for the toe.

I think it's time for me to repeat my belief that Tennessee was the worst team to ever be ranked number one.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on March 28, 2008, 11:44:06 AM
But they are not the worst team I ever mistakenly had in the Final Four. That would be the BJ McKie-led South Carolina Gamecocks back in 1996 (I think) that lost in the first round.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 28, 2008, 11:51:39 AM
I saw McKie's South Carolina team lose as a 3 seed to Richmond at what was then the MCI Center.  I think it was 1998.  I seem to remember McKie missing a layup at the end.  I've often had my Final Four picks lose in the first round.  Last year I was certain that Arizona as a number 8 seed was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard and I had them going to the Final Four.  One game (and loss) to Purdue later, my bracket was done. 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: mickeyd on March 28, 2008, 04:02:03 PM
Of course it means virtually nothing, but a rematch between Florida and Ohio St. is shaping up in the NIT Tournament final.

Not to me.  The NIT is at the Garden, so it is a tOSU game I can attend without flying to Cbus.!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 29, 2008, 10:41:22 AM
The Refs completely screwed MSU last night!





Actually, the NCAA bracket committee completely screwed MSU by making them play a team so much better than them.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on March 29, 2008, 12:32:57 PM
I was wondering why I hadn't heard much about the tourney.
But now I see that only one of the Sweet 16 games was close.
The other 7 were double digit blowouts.

East bracket went 1, 2 ,3, 4 --> 1 & 3
South went 1, 2 ,3, 5 --> 1 & 2

Half of the Final 8 are #1's
Davidson (with Curry) being the only underdog.

I've never been much of a college hoops fan.
Glen Rice had the best tournament I saw.
He was nailing turnaround jumpers from the 3-point line, top of the key.
Pretty unstoppable.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 29, 2008, 04:26:13 PM
Well, Memphis looks tough. Texas is gonna have to bring it.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on March 29, 2008, 06:59:09 PM
Tigers haven't faced that kind of backcourt this season, I don't believe. I like Texas to pull through.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 29, 2008, 07:02:16 PM
I hope you're right.  :D


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 30, 2008, 04:36:27 PM
The Longhorns made a couple of runs but in the end (and during most of the game) Memphis was just too tall and too talented.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on March 30, 2008, 05:29:26 PM
And poised. Was Andre Allen 4-4 from the line?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on March 30, 2008, 08:17:15 PM
I don't know that for sure but as a team they did quite well especially considering their recent woes from the line.

In a year that several teams bounced in and out of the top ten the four #1 seeds are headed to the Final Four (a first, I believe I read). Way to go selection committee.






Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on March 31, 2008, 12:20:07 AM
The Refs completely screwed MSU last night!





Actually, the NCAA bracket committee completely screwed MSU by making them play a team so much better than them.

Memphis screwed me by getting beat by a very suspect Tennessee team, which was in turn housed by a very suspect Vandy-built team.

I thought them Tigers was made o' paper, but they sure showed me.   I'd give ten and take them over the Knicks tomorrow night.

Not that that's saying a ton.  :P


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on April 04, 2008, 03:10:34 PM
UCLA, UNC.

UCLA.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: thebizneverloses on April 06, 2008, 11:37:48 AM
Yeah, Memphis showed me too. At least I had KU in the final.

Why was Andre Allen suspended, does anyone know?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on April 07, 2008, 11:54:02 PM
Pretty good final but the free throw shooting finally bit Memphis in the ass and it cost them a natl title.Can you put up a poll now on who we think will win the title.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bosox18d on April 08, 2008, 12:41:41 AM
Out of my three fantasy entries at Fox Sports my Dean Wormer entry finished best at 84,731 out of 258,304 entries.Once again seven years of college down the drain.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on April 08, 2008, 10:10:13 AM
I came in second for my pool (not believing in Memphis enough to put them in the Final Four was my Achilles heel), but $350 is decent consolation.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 08, 2008, 10:14:41 AM
The most boring NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament in history is now mercifully over.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: ponderosa on April 09, 2008, 06:35:17 AM
Wasn't a whole lotta drama but I saw some good basketball games. And the final was pretty exciting. Just when I started thinking that Memphis was head and shoulders above everybody else along comes Kansas.

Yeah overall the tourney lacked the excitement of years past but it wasn't any more boring than recent BCS championship games.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 09, 2008, 10:00:39 AM
I came in second for my pool (not believing in Memphis enough to put them in the Final Four was my Achilles heel), but $350 is decent consolation.

Good call on Ks.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: JakeJoliet on April 10, 2008, 07:32:53 PM
I came in second for my pool (not believing in Memphis enough to put them in the Final Four was my Achilles heel), but $350 is decent consolation.

Good call on Ks.

Thanks, you had 'em too?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 15, 2017, 02:24:51 PM
They always hate on those white boys who can play:

https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/11/15/16653654/grayson-allen-duke-vs-michigan-state-career-high-champions-classic (https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/11/15/16653654/grayson-allen-duke-vs-michigan-state-career-high-champions-classic)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: jbottle on November 18, 2017, 12:45:43 AM
Oh, you feel ok about talking about "white 'boys,'" which is some kind of twisted inside racial identity bigotism.

2017, wake up.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 18, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Oh, you feel ok about talking about "white 'boys,'" which is some kind of twisted inside racial identity bigotism.

2017, wake up.

Overinterpret much, dimwit.

Duke has had more than its share of bigotry tossed its way through the years.

Learn your history, backwoods dope.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on November 20, 2017, 05:38:39 PM
Oh, you feel ok about talking about "white 'boys,'" which is some kind of twisted inside racial identity bigotism.

2017, wake up.

Overinterpret much, dimwit.

Duke has had more than its share of bigotry tossed its way through the years.

Learn your history, backwoods dope.


And a good deal of what you call “bigotry” was earned... mostly because of the “Cameron Crazies” of the 80s and early 90s. Throwing bananas on the court, holding up signs for opposing players at the free throw line that said, “Can you read this?” Yeah, that earned my enmity for a good long while.

Then there was Christian Laettner... who is a pretty nice guy but was also a world class smack talker and he made that fucking shot.

Coach K was resented for all that “win the right way” stuff that was presented by media as win the “white way.”

Now with “one and dones” and no antipodal program (Georgetown, UNLV, Michigan, etc.) to be devil to their angel the Coach K resentment was mostly over, plus expertly fielding NBA squads to Olympic Gold doesn’t hurt his cred, either.

We’re folks hoping for Dukes comeuppance with the Lacrosse team scandal? Yeah, without a doubt.

Bigotry? Nope.
Racial resentment versus privileged entitlement? You bet!

But after that the air has seemed to come out of the animosity balloon.

Hell, even with the Oscar worthy flops, Grayson Allen doesn’t draw the ire of the bros.




Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 20, 2017, 09:29:06 PM
Nice spin.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on November 21, 2017, 08:10:00 AM
Nice spin.

Just stating how I feel.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 21, 2017, 12:17:02 PM

Fine with that.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on November 28, 2017, 09:00:41 AM
The UVA-Wisconsin game demonstrated far better than I could say, my increasing dislike of college basketball. There is zero reason that D-1 players on relatively well- matched teams should play in a 49-37 game.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on December 04, 2017, 07:49:33 AM
Great win by The Hall over Louisville in Louisville last night.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on December 04, 2017, 01:41:28 PM
Oh good.
My father went to Seton Hall, so he'll be pleased.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on February 23, 2018, 10:59:56 PM
Looks like big-time college basketball will be taking a few years off.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: LesMiserables on February 24, 2018, 08:30:28 AM
ESPN will lose even more money


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on February 24, 2018, 12:34:15 PM
Maybe ESPN  can do a "Wire" type 30 on 30 expose on this newest NCAA scandal.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: NYKnicks12 on February 27, 2018, 09:53:42 PM

“Everybody acts shocked that some kid from extraordinarily poor circumstances who’s got potentially 5 or 10 or 15 million dollars waiting for him is going to be circled by everybody, in a context in which people are making billions of dollars,” Obama said. “It’s not good. At minimum, one way of thinking about this would be what happens in baseball. If you’re Bryce Harper or Aaron Judge, then you make that jump [to the professional level]. Even if you’re not ready for the big leagues immediately, at least it’s clear that this is going to be your profession. You start getting paid, the professional organization is on the hook, there’s clarity.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/27/obama-ncaas-basketball-farm-system-not-a-sustainable-way-of-doing-business/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/27/obama-ncaas-basketball-farm-system-not-a-sustainable-way-of-doing-business/)




Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: LesMiserables on February 27, 2018, 10:05:20 PM
correct me, if i am wrong, but in baseball they will sign you and let you go to college, but you don't get the money until you start to play in their organizations.


Title: March Madness......
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 01, 2018, 04:48:44 PM
Michigam allows Iowa 2 late threes - and Muhammed Ali Abdur-Rahkman missed layup at buzzer -

OVERTIME!

Michigan a 5 seed in conference.  Iowa, who played and won last night, a 12.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2018, 10:55:32 AM
Nice 4-0 ATS run yesterday in ACC play.

Looking forward to these quarterfinals.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2018, 01:56:46 PM
Ran it to 6-0 with Virginia and Xavier early games

Have 3 games this afternoon - Nevada, Boston College and Creighton

4 more night games.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2018, 04:52:04 PM
Night game picks

Notre Dame, Villanova, UNC, Seton Hall


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 09, 2018, 12:31:26 PM
OK, so....

we will stay with Alabama getting points vs AUB
KY laying points vs Georgia
Staying with Xavier as fave in Big East
but will take the points with Butler vs Villanova
ACC - Virginia to cover Clemson, UNC plus the points v Duke

EDIT - last 2 SEC contests, Tennessee and FLA both to cover
- total 8 bets

(9-4 overall)

looking to book my Vegas flight for Wednesday


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2018, 01:37:56 PM
3-5

12-9

Saturday picks:

Kansas (1.5) and UNC (3.5) both getting points.

And SD State laying 4 to New Mex)



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 11, 2018, 01:48:57 PM
Wow - Virginia is tough

14-10 finish for my pre-tournament run (+$300)


Title: Play along if you like - (keep own tally)
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 09:46:52 AM
Villanova -23.5  vs Radford

Virginia Tech -2 vs Alabama

Oklahoma +2  vs Rhode Island

Iona +20.5 vs Duke

Penn +15.5 vs Kansas

Seton Hall -2.5 vs NC State

San Diego State +4 vs Houston

Michigan -11 vs Montana

Miami -2 vs Loyola (Chi)

Wright State +12 vs Tennessee

St Bonnie +5.5 vs Florida

Buffalo +8.5 vs Arizona

Ohio State -7.5 vs South Dakota State

Gonzaga -12 vs UNC Greensboro

Texas Tech -11 vs Stephen F Austin

Kentucky -5.5 vs Davidson


Best bets - Seton Hall, Oklahoma, Kentucky





Title: Final 4s
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 09:49:43 AM
Official FINAL 4 (Yahoo bracket)

Virginia, Michigan, Purdue, Duke
Virgina over Duke in final


Secondary (CBS Sports Barkley pool)

Nevada, UNC, Villanova, Duke
Villanova over UNC in final


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 15, 2018, 12:29:09 PM
I'm in a couple of pools with Nova winning.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 12:43:48 PM
Zebras involved early as Young gets a bullshit second foul called on him with 9 to go in first.

4-4, 2-2.  10 points early.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 01:38:57 PM
correct me, if i am wrong, but in baseball they will sign you and let you go to college, but you don't get the money until you start to play in their organizations.

Nah......


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 01:39:53 PM
Hmmm.....

Trae Young can really pass.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on March 15, 2018, 02:27:30 PM
Can he defend?
or finish?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 02:44:32 PM
Not sure.

Yes.

Too bad we dont get a second game from him.  He had a chance at Hurley's freshman assist record.

I favor Sexton

And I favor one of the three SF as well - as far as fit goes.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 09:12:08 PM
Damn....Kentucky

Can't give me one easy one

Heh


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 09:21:54 PM
lol

At the buzzer....


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 15, 2018, 09:23:23 PM
10-0 so far

picked both SDSU and SF Austin and they might give me some trouble tonight


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 15, 2018, 09:52:30 PM
I wonder how a school can hire Kelvin Sampson.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 15, 2018, 09:53:50 PM
that kid with the man-bun may have done me in with that drive


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 10:06:20 PM
I wonder how a school can hire Kelvin Sampson.

Had some kind of shit go down with one of his teams, right?

I know Indiana fans still hate that " the outsider" was brought in and screwed them up.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 10:10:33 PM
that kid with the man-bun may have done me in with that drive

First rule - keep him off his right hand.

Help D?
Anyone?
Bueler?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 15, 2018, 10:13:17 PM
I wonder how a school can hire Kelvin Sampson.

Had some kind of shit go down with one of his teams, right?

I know Indiana fans still hate that " the outsider" was brought in and screwed them up.
More than one of his teams.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 10:17:04 PM
Not watching.

Seems Va Tech bottling up Sexton a little


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 15, 2018, 10:27:35 PM
Ok.  Found a barstool and a tv..

Lets go Sexton.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on March 16, 2018, 04:31:30 AM
So A Very Johnson is Sexton's coach.
I like that.
Big 2nd half for Sexton.
Villanova up next.
I should try to watch that.
Catch Sexton and is it Bridges on Villa (?)

Quote
Alabama: Sexton might be the thinking man’s version of Oklahoma star point guard Trae Young. Sexton lacks Young’s shooting touch, but his quickness makes it nearly impossible to keep him out of the lane. And rather than force shots late, Sexton tried to get to the rim.

Sexton sounds like this year's DeAaron Fox (?)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: LesMiserables on March 16, 2018, 09:22:57 AM
looks like Sean Miller will be unemployed.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 16, 2018, 09:25:49 AM
10-0 so far

picked both SDSU and SF Austin and they might give me some trouble tonight

got whacked on those and Arizona.

Buffalo killed AZ

go figure

13-3 and 12-4 in my pools

had AZ winning 2 games

so not dead yet

heh


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 16, 2018, 10:00:16 AM
that kid with the man-bun may have done me in with that drive

First rule - keep him off his right hand.

Help D?
Anyone?
Bueler?


First rule should be get rid of the man-bun.

That drive reminded me of Ray Allen pantsing Sacha V in the '08 NBA Finals


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2018, 11:25:45 AM
A battling, befuddling 6-10 vs the spread yesterday, including losing 2 of my 3 best bets in brutal fashion.

So 6-10, 1-2, headed to Day 2.  Here we go:

---

Providence +3 vs Texas A and M

Purdue -20 vs Cal State Fullerton

Marshall +12.5 vs Wichita State

Cincinnati -13.5 vs Georgia State

North Carolina -20.5 vs Lipscomb

Arkansas +1.5 vs Butler

West Virginia -10 vs Murray State

Nevada +1.5 vs Texas

Creighton PK vs Kansas State

Bucknell +13.5 vs Michigan State

Texas Southern +19 vs Xavier

Auburn -10 vs College of Charleston

Virginia -20 vs UMBC

Syracuse +5 vs TCU

Missouri +1.5 vs Florida State

New Mexico State +4.5 vs Clemson


Best bets -  Missouri, Nevada, North Carolina





Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2018, 11:46:31 AM
So A Very Johnson is Sexton's coach.
I like that.
Big 2nd half for Sexton.
Villanova up next.
I should try to watch that.
Catch Sexton and is it Bridges on Villa (?)

Quote
Alabama: Sexton might be the thinking man’s version of Oklahoma star point guard Trae Young. Sexton lacks Young’s shooting touch, but his quickness makes it nearly impossible to keep him out of the lane. And rather than force shots late, Sexton tried to get to the rim.

Sexton sounds like this year's Deaaron Fox


Bridges is the 3 on Nova.
Bridges, Knox (KY), Bridges (MSU) seems to be the consensus when deciding on a 3.  Musa (Euro) will be there as well. 
Kentucky 6-6 PG intruguing  - and there is the big beast Robert Williams of Tex A and M

Other draft items:

Rick Brunson's kid is the senior PG on Nova, slated as a second rounder.  Excellent leader, supposedly.  But if we get the senior guard VAUGHN from Kansas in round 2, as they currently project on NBAdraft.net - have to be happy with that.

Why do they have Kentucky's SG Diallo and Duke's PG Duval on their board at 30 and 34, when both are freshmen?  Figure they return to school.

Does anyone else think the Porter brothers could benefit from another year at Mizzou (and with dad) before taking the pro plunge?

Last -

Knicks other projected second rounder is slated to play today.  Cincinnati SF Jacob Evans, a junior, projected at #48



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2018, 03:06:57 PM
This Marshall kid is Jimmeresque.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2018, 03:09:58 PM
But the 30-year old guy on Wichita has the answer.

Good game.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2018, 07:58:31 PM
Better day today....

Though dummy changed off Butler at last minute

UNC had the ball, up 21 with a minute left, giving 20.5.  Roy calls time out to get the scrubs in.

Ouch.

Better luck late with Nevada and Cincy so it evens out.

Go, Bison.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 17, 2018, 09:43:55 AM
really looking forward to the Virginia-Arizona match-up in the Sweet 16s

#1  v Ayton should be awesome



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2018, 12:30:11 PM
Taking Bama plus the 11.5

Haven't seen a score yet.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on March 17, 2018, 01:09:52 PM
Sexton looks and plays like DeAaron Fox.
Sloppy, but then made some good plays late.
Not that aggressive in the half court.

Bridges had a terrible 1st half.
Lucky the Italian kid is super-hot.

I don't like the camera position.
it's too high up.
Everybody looks short.

Also the Large center March Madness logo is too large and ugly.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 17, 2018, 01:18:10 PM
Quote
I don't like the camera position.
it's too high up.
Everybody looks short.

agreed-I hated the angle and switched back and forth to see if I was imagining the higher perspective.

 


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on March 17, 2018, 02:01:05 PM
Well, Bridges had a big 2nd half.
Mostly knocking down 3's.
And some transition.
In the post he looked plodding and got blocked twice.

The high angle makes it hard to assess athleticism, especially hops.

Sexton = Fox.
Including going quiet at times.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2018, 04:07:13 PM
Ok.................so we are at 12-20 vs the spread (Xavier was a push at 19)

heh

Case made to bet what you know, which for me would be NBA and MLB.

No pick on Duke game, but may as well pick the rest of the slate.


Best bets are 2-4.


------

Kentucky -5.5 vs Buffalo

Tennessee -5 vs Loyola

Seton Hall +4.5 vs Kansas

Ohio State +4.5 vs Gonzaga

Florida +1.5 vs Texas Tech

Michigan -3.5 vs Houston


Best bets -     Tennessee, Michigan




Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 18, 2018, 10:19:38 AM
Beautiful win for the Wolverines last night.

Still limping against the spread - at 15-24.  2-6 in best bets

------

Sunday slate:


UNC -6.5 vs Texas A and M

UMBC +10.5 vs Kansas State

Butler +3.5 vs Purdue

Syracuse +9.5 vs Michigan State

Nevada +8.5 vs Cincinnati

Florida State +5.5 vs Xavier

West Virginia -12.5 vs Marshall

Auburn -1 vs Clemson


Best bets - UNC, Nevada


Pools

Yahoo -
12 of 16 alive
6 of 8
3 of 4
1 of 2
champ (Va) out

CBS -
14 of 16 alive
7 of 8
4 of 4
2 of 2
champ (Nova) alive





Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 18, 2018, 11:26:49 PM
crazy fucking week-end.

I'm glad i don't bet hoops.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 19, 2018, 08:12:14 AM
heh

--------------

Xavier seems to have been screwed.


Go, BLUE.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 19, 2018, 08:19:55 AM
From what I saw, Xavier-FSU wasn't particularly well-reffed, but how did Xavier get screwed?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 19, 2018, 08:38:38 AM
Best player - 5th foul


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 19, 2018, 08:42:03 AM
Seems they didnt like the 3rd and 4th fouls either:

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2018/3/19/17137946/takeaways-its-over-xavier-ncaa-tournament-march-madness-i-hate-everything (https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2018/3/19/17137946/takeaways-its-over-xavier-ncaa-tournament-march-madness-i-hate-everything)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 19, 2018, 08:44:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK298zltW18 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK298zltW18)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 19, 2018, 08:56:15 AM
The block/charge thing is a prime reason I don't follow college ball like I once did. Like a check-swing with umpires, I believe the refs mostly guess, but unlike the check swing it's actually part of teams' "strategies." I actually think the 5th on Macura was a charge, but in my world I'd call nothing.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 22, 2018, 07:00:12 PM
Thursday picks:

[Official tally is at 20-26 for the tourney, 3-7 best bets (-$470)]



Kentucky -5 vs Kansas State

Nevada -1 vs Loyola, Chi

Texas A and M +2.5 vs Michigan

Florida State +6 vs Gonzaga


Best bet -   NONE





Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 22, 2018, 07:03:25 PM
Make that a best bet on

NEVADA


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 22, 2018, 09:39:17 PM
Good game.....

Big shot.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 23, 2018, 07:26:21 AM
MICHIGAN 400-1 to win it all back in November

LOYOLA 100-1 to win their region

Madness, baby!!!


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 23, 2018, 03:44:49 PM
OK, lets get out of the twilight zone today


FAVORITES WIN AND COVER


Villanova -5 vs West Virginia

Purdue -1.5 vs Texas Tech

Duke -11 vs Syracuse

Kansas -5 vs Clemson


- Best bets - NOVA, PURDUE


That is all


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 24, 2018, 12:55:12 AM
OK, lets get out of the twilight zone today


FAVORITES WIN AND COVER


Villanova -5 vs West Virginia

Purdue -1.5 vs Texas Tech

Duke -11 vs Syracuse

Kansas -5 vs Clemson


- Best bets - NOVA, PURDUE


That is all

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Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2018, 03:50:22 PM
Some real grey hairs last night for the real money bettors.

Missed most of it.  Saw the late cover of Kansas - first ouch of the night.  Good to see Cuse hung in there


TONIGHT -


22-32 (4-9), I think


-15 for K State?  Really?


Loyola +15 vs Kansas State

Florida State +4 vs Michigan  (Mich wins)



And I may as well take care of tomorrow as well


Duke -3 vs Kansas

Texas Tech +6.5 vs Villanova



Best bets -    Loyola, Duke




Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 24, 2018, 05:15:19 PM
Where in the world did you see Kansas State -15?  I wouldn't bet on college basketball for love or money, but that's one I'd consider.  I've seen it no more than K. State -1.5, but a pick-em in just as many places.  I think you need to look a little closer at what you were reading

All that said, I think Loyola wins the game.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 24, 2018, 06:11:51 PM
Where in the world did you see Kansas State -15?  I wouldn't bet on college basketball for love or money, but that's one I'd consider.  I've seen it no more than K. State -1.5, but a pick-em in just as many places.  I think you need to look a little closer at what you were reading

All that said, I think Loyola wins the game.
 

kid's a real money bettor. He knows things.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 24, 2018, 07:24:50 PM
Using Kid's source one would now have Loyola and 28.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2018, 07:54:00 PM
Heh

Thought that was weird

Blown out., looks like.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Great story

If we can get Nova out.....

Never know...


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 30, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
Quick quiz -

women's game

Which team has played in the most finals since 1982?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 30, 2018, 08:28:48 PM
Louisville by 2 on Miss State in a seesaw battle, end of 3.  Great game.  (ESPN2)

UCONN v ND still on tap.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2018, 10:14:39 AM
I'm going with Pat Summit's Vols.

saw the last few minutes of last nights reg/OT UConn/ND game

a little ragged but fun game

could be a big week-end for the Catholic Colleges.

hmm, I guess it probably already is.

Still alive in my two pools-need Nova to win for 2nd/3rd place finishes

.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on March 31, 2018, 10:39:02 AM
I like both Michigan and Villanova giving the points (5.5 and 5 respectively was the last I saw) today.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2018, 11:22:53 AM
I had Michigan losing to UVA tonight

I don't bet college hoops, except for the annual lose the pool competition (do have a decent collection of silver and bronzes though) I seem to enjoy.

like to see Loyola and Nova win tonight



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 31, 2018, 08:24:12 PM
VOG-NER.

Whiteboy rockin..........

--

I knew we would hear Bank's Final 4 after the fact

heh


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2018, 09:59:51 PM
Never gave you my final 4

here they are douche bag

Mich-UVA

Kansas-Nova

I just gave you my predicted winner


I'm in a couple of pools with Nova winning.




Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2018, 10:04:41 PM
poor Loyola-rella had too much champagne and puked on her dress

too bad it was a nice story

 



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
25-34

Michigan +7 is tonight's play


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on April 02, 2018, 11:36:06 AM
If +7 is the spread, I'll take Michigan.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 12:17:29 PM
25-34

Michigan +7 is tonight's play

kid you're 23-35 and a push

best bets are 5-10

you suck at keeping your own count.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 12:26:22 PM
I got Nova ova UVA tonight.

I like them against the Wolverines too.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2018, 05:38:48 PM
25-34

Michigan +7 is tonight's play

kid you're 23-35 and a push

best bets are 5-10

you suck at keeping your own count.

Nah, man

3 games of 63 are dead (push or no pick)

60 total

But you amuse me, so please continue.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2018, 05:42:21 PM
Off to a decent start in MLB picks

HOU was only futures pick thus far - at 5/2 to win NL.

Just playing individual games other than that.  Yanks made me "money" Saturday with their loss.  Kapler opening day fuckup cost me.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 05:58:23 PM
Some real grey hairs last night for the real money bettors.

Missed most of it.  Saw the late cover of Kansas - first ouch of the night.  Good to see Cuse hung in there


TONIGHT -


22-32 (4-9), I think


-15 for K State?  Really?


Loyola +15 vs Kansas State

Florida State +4 vs Michigan  (Mich wins)



And I may as well take care of tomorrow as well


Duke -3 vs Kansas

Texas Tech +6.5 vs Villanova



Best bets -    Loyola, Duke




I made a typo it should have been 23-34-1

Start from your self-reported record of 22-32

and add in the following games (your picks bolded)

Loyola + 1 1/2  v Kansas St.           win  23-32

Fl St. +4 v Mich                            push 23-32 -1

Duke -3 v Kansas                          lost   23-33 -1

Tx Tech +6 1/2  v  Nova                lost   23-34-1

your record 23-34-1

The point remains you can't be trusted to keep your own score


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2018, 06:20:02 PM
I guess we have to wait to get Bank's pick - Nova minus the 7 or Michigan plus.

I am assuming Bank doesnt cash at all in his [pools ("I get second if, I get third if, wahhhh wahh wahhhhhhh") if MICH wins outright tonight - though of course he hasn't said so.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 06:48:03 PM
I guess we have to wait to get Bank's pick - Nova minus the 7 or Michigan plus.

I am assuming Bank doesnt cash at all in his [pools ("I get second if, I get third if, wahhhh wahh wahhhhhhh") if MICH wins outright tonight - though of course he hasn't said so.

Why would you assume that?

I paid to participate in two pools, and I'm still alive for place and show.

But I've no bet against the spread tonight.

And I don't bet college hoops.

As you've amply demonstrated its a game for suckers.

kid--I gave you far too much credit by refering to you as "coin-flip"

you aspire for the record of a coin fairly flipped.

In any case,

As you're aware I've got Nova to win in 2 pools.

if they win tonight, I cash a 2nd and a 3rd place, in pools totaling around 2400.

If Mich wins yanks daughter will be happier than me.

For the sake of discussion 

Nova 75

Mich 70





Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on April 02, 2018, 06:53:44 PM
Michigan also in the Frozen Four on Thursday.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 06:58:19 PM
I saw, no northeast schools skating this year


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on April 02, 2018, 07:01:27 PM
College hockey is a fun sport to watch.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 07:07:48 PM
I haven't been to a game in years (pro) but I've been watching more recently (hopped on the Bruin bandwagon)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 07:10:03 PM
and fwiw

I may put a semi-hedge on tonight's game and buy the ML on Mich (+270)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 11:08:54 PM
Donte bringing lotta heat


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 11:23:54 PM
I thought Michigan D could slow down Nova and keep it close.

Nova has beaten them in every aspect of the game.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 02, 2018, 11:27:00 PM
Another Philly championship about to be earned. That's 2 so far this year.

Jay Wright could do no wrong.

Donte's Inferno tortured the Wolverines.


And the Sixers are on the rise...and the Flyers are, too...and, well, there is the Gabe Kapler situation, but Rhys Hoskins will create the space for Harper to ink his Philly deal for 2019.






Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 02, 2018, 11:31:29 PM
https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/04/02/villanova-donte-divincenzo-fast-facts (https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/04/02/villanova-donte-divincenzo-fast-facts)

What I like is the kid is from my hometown.

Congrats to another Philly-Philly team on its championship.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2018, 11:32:07 PM
congrats to Nova

and thanks

heh


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on April 03, 2018, 06:54:45 AM
NCAA Trivia:

1) Who holds the record for most points scored (61) in an NCAA Tournament game?

2) Who holds the record for most points (58) scored in a Final Four game?



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on April 03, 2018, 07:06:05 AM
1---Austin Carr 2---Bill Bradley


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on April 03, 2018, 10:31:35 AM
Well, that didn't take long.
Dead on.

Austin Carr had some crazy good tourney games.

I think Dollar Bill's rampage was in the consolation game, but still 58 in a college game is wild.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: yankguy on April 03, 2018, 10:38:28 AM
High School basketball mavens around here still talk about Austin Carr in hushed tones (he went to the same high school, since closed that Johnny Dawkins later went to).  He was a decent pro too, but had constant foot and knee problems.

BTW, Youtube has some incredible stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hguA9S_le-g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hguA9S_le-g)


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 03, 2018, 10:39:19 AM
I saw Bradley's game WBW, and it made an impression, as did watching another future Knick's performance in the NIT a couple of years later.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 03, 2018, 11:46:32 AM
and fwiw

I may put a semi-hedge on tonight's game and buy the ML on Mich (+270)

heh

and you lose the +7 as well...........

Can't handle the (you claim, anyway) success of your bracket windfall.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 03, 2018, 11:55:21 AM
and fwiw

I may put a semi-hedge on tonight's game and buy the ML on Mich (+270)

heh

and you lose the +7 as well...........

Can't handle the (you claim, anyway) success of your bracket windfall.

yup I did not see Nova winning by double-digits last night.

but I was wrong.

But I did not bet the line

I only hoped I could pick the winner

and i did

which was the goal of the pool.

You never get it kid,

nice going "coin-flip"

23-35-1

you took a bath

you need a loan kid?

heh



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 04, 2018, 10:31:15 PM
congrats to Nova

and thanks

heh

Thanks? For?  The memories?


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 04, 2018, 10:59:03 PM
for indirectly advancing certain of my interests.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2018, 08:40:49 AM
Credit where it belongs to Bank, who did have Nova winning both his pools.

Chalkie?  Sure.  But so was Virginia.

I hit just 2 of my 8 Final 4 teams, though close with Nevada (1) and Duke (both pools).  Purdue UNC and VA the other 3 to fall short

Hope to pay more attention next year


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 05, 2018, 02:49:22 PM
for indirectly advancing certain of my interests.

Oh.

Stalking again, I see.

Sorry, banks. You already lost the war. Don't be like the Germans and lose it again.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 05, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
for indirectly advancing certain of my interests.

Oh.

Stalking again, I see.

Sorry, banks. You already lost the war. Don't be like the Germans and lose it again.

I've owned your sorry ass for years.

No matter what new handle you ran to and tried to hide behind you miserable douche bag

Go back to sleep you pathetic indecent asshole

SSDD


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bodiddley on April 05, 2018, 11:41:02 PM
Jeez.
Maybe use the Ignore Feature . . .


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 05, 2018, 11:51:01 PM
Jeez.
Maybe use the Ignore Feature . . .

I don't use the ignore function.

I'd rather read and react as approropriate to indecent idiots.

and Utley is an indecent stalker idiot.

But feel free to employ iggy as you see fit.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 06, 2018, 10:46:32 AM
Michigan also in the Frozen Four on Thursday.

Luck o the Irish

condolences


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 06, 2018, 11:58:34 AM
for indirectly advancing certain of my interests.

Oh.

Stalking again, I see.

Sorry, banks. You already lost the war. Don't be like the Germans and lose it again.

I've owned your sorry ass for years.

No matter what new handle you ran to and tried to hide behind you miserable douche bag

Go back to sleep you pathetic indecent asshole

SSDD
.
Paranoid and delusional. Get help. Stalking ped.


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 06, 2018, 05:37:19 PM
for indirectly advancing certain of my interests.

Oh.

Stalking again, I see.

Sorry, banks. You already lost the war. Don't be like the Germans and lose it again.

I've owned your sorry ass for years.

No matter what new handle you ran to and tried to hide behind you miserable douche bag

Go back to sleep you pathetic indecent asshole

SSDD
.
Paranoid and delusional. Get help. Stalking ped.

Nice self-description.

Its a step in the right direction to have an epiphany and come to the realization that there is little to be gained by attempting to fool yourself any longer

and yes by all means get the help you rightly need, you stalking indecent creep


Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 07, 2018, 09:10:41 AM
You're the one with the conspiracy theories, fudgepacker.

Btw. Got HBO? Your hero, Jerry Sandusky, will be featured in a movie. Try not to get too excited.



Title: Re: NCAA
Post by: bankshot1 on April 07, 2018, 09:33:18 AM
moron

it takes two to conspire.

You're just an insecure perverted stalker, who relying on your poor self judgement and total lack of understanding of societal norms, acted rashly and alone, and indecently.

No conspiracy there.

Just a single perverted angry sociopath lashing out against things they will never comprehend.

its best you go back to your shit-filled gutter