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Title: NHL
Post by: Admin on April 15, 2007, 09:38:50 PM
Who will win the Stanley Cup?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 30, 2007, 03:19:13 AM
I'm rooting for Buffalo to win it all.The Sunday double OT game that the Rangers won was a great playoff game.Though a longtime Bruins Fan,Not much to Cheer with a franchise where the bottom line has been just to make a profit the last twenty plus years but I grew up in Rochester so the Sabres have always been one of my teams especially when the Rochester Americans have been the Sabres AHL team for years.Just as long as Montreal or the Rangers don't win the Cup any year its been a good year.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on May 03, 2007, 01:00:25 PM
I wish they would take the Cup this year;  but if the Sabres keep playing this way, they're going to lose this round to the Rangerks, never mind the finals.  Have you been watching?  Lindy Ruff looks alternately pissed and at a loss.  At first, I thought he was reacting to the reffing, which has been abominable -- but now I wonder if he's reacting to the play of his team. It's like they forgot how they played all year.  There's speculation that Gaustad might make it back for Friday's (?) game; maybe he'll be a good sparkplug.  It just seems that if there's a way to screw the Sabres, the refs find it.  I still agonize over the ripoff goal against the Stars in ....'95?  (or thereabouts)

I also heart the Sabres, as they remind me of my long-lost, blue collar team, the Whalers. Ironically, the Whaler/Sabre rivalry was brutal.  Two of my most memorable games included a truly bench-clearing fight between the teams, after which the remaining players actually had elbow room on the bench; and one where the Primeau brothers fought each other.  The next day in the paper we read that Keith Primeau called Mom after the game to apologize; hopefully Wayne did the same.

You're lucky to have Randy Cunneyworth coaching the Amerks.  He was a solid player (six or so years in the Whaler system) and is a quality person. IMHO, of course.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 04, 2007, 02:38:46 AM
Harrie,The Whalers played the first season at Boston Arena now Matthews which is The Northeastern Hockey Teams home.It is I think the oldest rink in the country,1910 and was the original home of the Bruins and I think the Celtics.Those were the Whalers WHA days.I went to Northeastern and our Frat always went to the NU hockey games.That was in the late 70's early 80's.After that I moved to Los Angeles and when I first lived here my brother and I had Kings season tickets at the old L.A. Forum.Before Boston I spent my freshman year at Berkeley in 1975 and My brother had a friend who always gave us his Seals Tickets.The second season of our Kings tickets I went to the bathroom one night and there was Willie O'Ree the first black player in the NHL and ex Bruin.I yelled out Willie! and all these white guys looked at me like what is this dude on.Willie looked at me like how does this white dude in L.A. know who I am but I got his autograph and talked to him out in the hall for about five minutes.I try and follow The Amerks on line as best I can. 


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 04, 2007, 02:45:30 AM
 P.S.,Don't you miss the old NHL where they beat the heck out of each other?The Bruins had Terry O and Stan Johnathon who was supposed to be part some kind of Canadian Indian.Edmonton had those two guys names escape me that you just wanted to hit every time you saw them.The Flyers always had first rate thugs.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 04, 2007, 11:00:07 PM
What a great game tonight.Chris Drury wherever he has played seems to come up with BIG goals but none was bigger than tonights.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on May 06, 2007, 05:16:34 PM
Good games the other night (Drury's game-winnner) and this afternoon.  I think the Sabres are going to have a tough time with the Sens, though -- they're playing like this is their year.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 07, 2007, 12:00:23 AM
Harrie,It's funny cause Ottawa ran up all those points the past few years and went nowhere in the playoffs and then they have a bit of an off year and now they are winning in the post season finally.


Title: Ducks v Wings
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 22, 2007, 07:29:00 PM
Game 6 begins in about 1-1/2 hours.

Ducks out played the wings the first two games in Detroit and came away with a split.

Wings outplayed the Ducks games 3-5 but lost 2 out of 3, including a game 5 heartbreaker where they pretty much dominated the first 55 minutes of the game.

After regulations, with the score tied 1-1, Brett Hull (who I used to like) says, "the Ducks are playing horrible.  If they can't show up for the first 3 periods of the most important game they've ever played in, what makes you think they'll show up in overtime?"  I guess he missed the subtle momentum shift that occured with about 5 mintes left in the game.

Anaheim promptly comes out and dominates OT and comes away with the "W."

It feels to me like they will put it away tonight at home.  Detroit has played spelndidly, but they are getting old - this also means they are crafty and wise, but they've just got to be exhausted...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 23, 2007, 11:49:38 AM
After falling behind 3-0, the Red Wings made a run for it in the 3rd period but fell short with the final being 4-3.

Saw the stat last night the the Ducks and the Senators have the most playoff wins of any teams over the last five years, so I guess it is only fitting that they will face each other in the final.

I haven't been watching the Senators much this year but it looks like they have three big scorers and then production falls off pretty dramatically.  if that is the case, the Ducks D should be able to handle them easily. 

Things aren;t always what they seem on paper though...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on May 23, 2007, 09:16:49 PM
Trojan - don't underestimate Ottawa. They've played masterfully so far these playoffs, and their kill sheet (Penguins, Devils, Sabres) is awfully impressive. I still think Anaheim should pull it out, but despite the lack of exposure, Ottawa is a deserving finalist with a genuine shot.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 24, 2007, 02:46:53 AM
Ottawa has played well after the recent years where they had great seasons and went out quick.The ducks though have a goalie who can be lights out.That said being in L.A. I think the only edge the Ducks have is the extra game.The old Ottawa Senators won a cup back in 1919-20 which oddly enough pitted the NHL eastern teams against the old WHL? A great site for all things Hockey is  http://www.hockeydb.com  If this site does not link that is the web address to type in.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 24, 2007, 02:50:05 AM
Okay it seems to be The Pacific Coast Hockey Association that provided the "other" team for the early NHL finals.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 24, 2007, 02:57:12 AM
Interesting to note that The Stanley Cup has been awarded since 1892 but the IHDB starts with the start of the NHL in 1917.Given that the original Senators won cups before 1919.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: vookaleer on May 24, 2007, 01:35:54 PM
GIGI is better than Emery and can be the difference

the Nidermayer Pronger defense is good

but I go Senators in 6.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on May 24, 2007, 08:01:47 PM
I like the Sens, but reserve the right to change my mind after the first game (or right before the final horn of the last game, for that matter).  Ottawa's had a lot of time off, and sometimes it can be hard to recapture the intensity.  But so far, they've looked super-hot.  And while I absolutely love my former Whaler prospect Giguere, he does run hot and cold; this year, IMO of course, Emery has run more consistently.  Plus he's mean.  This could be interesting.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 25, 2007, 12:50:34 PM
GIGI is better than Emery and can be the difference

the Nidermayer Pronger defense is good

but I go Senators in 6.

Mark Whicker (Sports columnist) said this same thing this morning.  But, I just don't see it.  Admitedly, I have not been tuned in to the Senators so they may surprise me.  If the referees "let em play" then I think the Ducks will dominate.  However, if the Ducks get as many cheaqp calls as they did against the Wings, then heaven help them. 

 I do know the Senators have a great power play...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 29, 2007, 02:15:30 AM
Pretty good game tonight though the Ottawa goalie made some incredible saves so felt a little sorry for him.It's amusing in the new NHL to see an enforcer score a game winning goal but "enforcer" sure doesn't mean what it used to in the NHL.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 29, 2007, 02:33:01 AM
Speaking of the Stanley Cup my all time favorite story is from the 1938 cup Chicago vs Toronto.Before game 1 in Toronto the Blackhawks found out their starting goalie had suffered a broken toe and could not play.The backup was in Chic and could not get there in time so Blackhawk coaches sent the team captain out to look fot an Alfie Moore a mostly career minor league goalie who had played for the NHL'S N.Y. Americans the year before.The player went to his house and Moores wife told him the saloon he could find him at.He went there to find out Moore had gone to another bar.He found him there and by this time Moore had more than a few beers in him.He saw the Hawks captain and said he was glad to see him cause he needed tickets to the game that night.The player told him he could do better than that.The hawks wanted him as their starting goalie.They took him to the arena gave him lots of Coffee and Moore won the game for the Blackhawks.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 30, 2007, 07:25:59 PM
The hawks wanted him as their starting goalie.They took him to the arena gave him lots of Coffee and Moore won the game for the Blackhawks.

There are some great stories from the early days.  That kind of stuff could neve happen today though...

I thought the Ducks completely dominated the Senators on monday night.  With the obvious exception of the power play...   Five on Five was no contest but you are right, Emery impressed me--much more than I expected from him in goal for Ottawa.  if not for him it would have easily been 5-2.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 30, 2007, 07:28:17 PM
It will be interesting to see what adjustments ottawa makes tonight to make the even strength play more...well... even.

Also interesting to see if the Ducks can pull back on the bad penalties.  It seems like their reputation proceeds them and the referees are calling pretty weak penalties.  that can be difficult to overcome -- short of making a big announcement pre-game...


Title: Ducks hold serve
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 31, 2007, 02:26:53 PM
Emery was unbelievable last night again, but the Ducks just refused to give up and finally got one by him...

Now we'll see if Ottowa can hold their two home games...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on May 31, 2007, 07:49:05 PM
That's an amazing story BoSox. Love it.

Trojan - I live in Ottawa. I can report that this city is going bananas. I will be deprived of a serious party if Anaheim wins the cup. I'm otherwise indifferent towards the result.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 31, 2007, 10:17:44 PM
The actual story is better than I tell it so I'll try to link it.I was first told that story by a janitor at Northeastern Univ by the name of Pat Egan who was known as BoxCar.He played for the Bruins some years and ended I think with the Rangers.He came along a bit after those years . http://blackhawkslegends.blogspot.com/2007/03/alfie-moore.html 


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 31, 2007, 10:20:27 PM
I'm in Los Angeles and the press both print and TV gave  a lot more time to Koby Byrant and his whining than the Stanley Cup.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 01, 2007, 02:59:44 AM
From the link I posted tonight I was just reading about the 1972 Summitt Series between Canada and the Soviets.At the time at least in the Northeast U.S. every game was on the tube and it was one of the most intense and strangest series I have ever watched.The Canadiens were supposed to walk all over the Russians but it took till the last game for Paul Henderson (a Toronto Mapleleaf) to score the goal that gave Canada a 6-5 win and the series in a 8 game set.The Canadiens were down 3-1-1 in the series and Henderson scored the winning goal in each of the last three games In game 8 it came at 19:26 and it was the last of three team Canada goals in the 3rd period.Henderson never did much before or after the series but he is a God in Canada.It also was the first time we had seen Vlad Tretiak(sp) the Soviet Goalie who was every bit as good or better than Kenny Dryden and in the first game in Moscow in a moment I'll never forget Phil Esposito skated out and tripped on the stalk of the flower given to each player falling flat on his ass then getting up and blowing kisses to the crowd though he claimed later it was to Breshnev.The intensity of the series was amazing and I would love to watch each game again.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 01, 2007, 03:20:04 AM
P.S. As I recall the last four games were in Moscow or at least in the Soviet Union.I know the last two were in Moscow.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 01, 2007, 11:24:57 AM

Trojan - I live in Ottawa. I'm otherwise indifferent towards the result.

Wow...what, are you the only Ottawan that is not a hockey fan?  I have friends from Vancouver to Toronto--but haven't really had a chance to talk to too many folks from the "dark" side  :)

so it will be very interesting to hear your perspective on things up there...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 01, 2007, 11:27:48 AM
I'm in Los Angeles and the press both print and TV gave  a lot more time to Koby Byrant and his whining than the Stanley Cup.

lol...absolutely!   I'm in Orange County so same media.  other than a brief period during the mid nineties, hockey has been about as important as college water polo.

Although, the Register did publish a special section yesterday that was only on the Ducks, so the playoff fever is at least warming to about 98.7


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 02, 2007, 10:30:22 PM
Great Game so far.I was very impressed with the Ottawa crowd singing Oh Canada.You never here a crowd that loud in the U.S. singing the Anthem.Only thing was they were singing in Canadien so I couldn't understand much of it...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 02, 2007, 11:53:37 PM
Great Game so far.I was very impressed with the Ottawa crowd singing Oh Canada.You never here a crowd that loud in the U.S. singing the Anthem.Only thing was they were singing in Canadien so I couldn't understand much of it...

Bo -- What joy when the Sens got the go-ahead goal -- I'm ashamed to say, I'd turned the channel and didn't see the wrap up at the very end (having tuned in to see brawl).

I guess for the average Canadian hockey is a much more major deal than it is for the average American, who is likely oblivious to the "David and Goliath" feeling we have up here whenever a Canadian team now goes up against an American (who now tend to be the biggest, toughest, etc, due to money etc).

Having said that, I'd be thrilled if the Sens managed to get another game -- but great they got this one at home..



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 03, 2007, 12:30:10 AM
Teddy,what I wouldn't give for the Hockey Night in Canada Telecast.When I'm back in Roch each fall we used to be able to pull it in at my friends cottage across the lake when conditions were right.Do they let my old coach Mr. Cherry say whatever pops into his head during the playoffs or try and tone him down a bit..HA!!!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 03, 2007, 08:26:05 AM
Teddy,what I wouldn't give for the Hockey Night in Canada Telecast.....Do they let my old coach Mr. Cherry say whatever pops into his head during the playoffs or try and tone him down a bit..HA!!!

bosox, if you care to (or can) invest in the Centre Ice package, you can get Mr. Cherry every Saturday night, as we do.  The package runs about $150-$175; but at our house, we watch hockey just about every night in season, so it works out to be a good buy. (I can rationalize anything.)  We get to watch the teams we want, not just the Rangers, Red Wings, and every other "big" team the league shoves down our throats on a regular basis.  Plus, when they do the Hockey Day in Canada, which is a lot of fun, you get that, too.

We love Don Cherry too, even when we think he's nuts.  This year, he made a point of mentioning by name, and often with a photo, Canadian soldiers who lost their lives over in Iraq or who wrote to him from there.  Even though he knows exactly what he's doing when he's saying outrageous stuff, he's a good guy at our house for that alone.

I fell asleep and missed the third period -- ARRGGH.  I'm glad Ottawa won, even if I didn't catch the whole game.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 03, 2007, 09:12:57 AM
Teddy,what I wouldn't give for the Hockey Night in Canada Telecast.When I'm back in Roch each fall we used to be able to pull it in at my friends cottage across the lake when conditions were right.Do they let my old coach Mr. Cherry say whatever pops into his head during the playoffs or try and tone him down a bit..HA!!!

Bo - yes -- as Harrie says -- old Don Cherry is still there, though sometimes MacLean works with a couple of younger guys (Kelly someone, etc) and doesn't seem as comfortable or to enjoy himself as much as when he's playing straight man to Cherry.

Cherry's suits as over the top hideous as ever.

(Some here aren't keen on Cherry -- he always used to insult European players, French Canadians, scorning those who didn't like violent aspect, etc.  Can't get over that he was your coach!)



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 03, 2007, 09:17:22 AM
Teddy,what I wouldn't give for the Hockey Night in Canada Telecast.....Do they let my old coach Mr. Cherry say whatever pops into his head during the playoffs or try and tone him down a bit..HA!!!

bosox, if you care to (or can) invest in the Centre Ice package, you can get Mr. Cherry every Saturday night, as we do.  The package runs about $150-$175; but at our house, we watch hockey just about every night in season, so it works out to be a good buy. (I can rationalize anything.)  We get to watch the teams we want, not just the Rangers, Red Wings, and every other "big" team the league shoves down our throats on a regular basis.  Plus, when they do the Hockey Day in Canada, which is a lot of fun, you get that, too.

We love Don Cherry too, even when we think he's nuts.  This year, he made a point of mentioning by name, and often with a photo, Canadian soldiers who lost their lives over in Iraq or who wrote to him from there.  Even though he knows exactly what he's doing when he's saying outrageous stuff, he's a good guy at our house for that alone.

Harrie -- you're sure that Cherry wasn't talking about Afghanistan?  Canadians have been assisting with effort over there (and some -- quite a few - have died)- but not in Iraq as far as I know, as Canada never joined that effort to begin with, though have been going to Afghanistan from the beginning and we continue to send men over, with rather sub-standard equipment I believe.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 03, 2007, 09:37:59 AM
Teddy, I'm sure you're correct with Afghanistan.  I'm guilty of the American sin of lumping everything "over there" into one entity called Iraq.  Thanks for the clarification.

As for Cherry's trashing non-North American, non-English speaking, et. players, I figured it was just part of his shtick, and therefore tongue in cheek, at this point -- I know in the past he was serious, and maybe he still is.  But I get the feeling that he's kind of doing the "give the people what they want" thing as far as saying semi-outrageous things just to say them.  Of course, I could be totally wrong. 

I think the Kelly in question is Kelly Hrudey, minus the trademark baby blue headband thing.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 03, 2007, 10:14:20 AM
WARNING:  Politics mentioned.  Scroll at will.

Just in case I came off like a hawk above, I am not.  At least I don't think.  But I do appreciate the fact that Cherry gets it that people die in war, police actions, etc.  As opposed to some governmentss/public figures (I know, Cherry isn't a government official) that try to whitewash all the negative aspects of war, police actions, etc.  Hence the "love Don Cherry" statement.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 03, 2007, 12:42:16 PM
Teddy, I'm sure you're correct with Afghanistan.  I'm guilty of the American sin of lumping everything "over there" into one entity called Iraq.  Thanks for the clarification.

As for Cherry's trashing non-North American, non-English speaking, et. players, I figured it was just part of his shtick, and therefore tongue in cheek, at this point -- I know in the past he was serious, and maybe he still is.  But I get the feeling that he's kind of doing the "give the people what they want" thing as far as saying semi-outrageous things just to say them.  Of course, I could be totally wrong. 

I think the Kelly in question is Kelly Hrudey, minus the trademark baby blue headband thing.

Harrie -- yes that's the Kelly!  (I like him quite a lot as sports commentator)

Re Cherry, Afghanistan, etc -- no problem.  I can't honestly say I listen to him that closely to judge -- he got himself into hot water a couple of years ago over something - tends to take a conservative, pro-Harper (current conservative Canadian govt)/Bush stand.  I'll say no more and return to sports -- I'll give him this:  he knows hockey.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on June 03, 2007, 04:14:09 PM
Cherry is a fascinating case. CBC is of course publicly funded. So there is an expectation among some that there should be some accountability on what is said on the channel. So when Cherry attacks Euros or French-Canadians, there is controversy (especially in the case of the latter).

He knows hockey, but he's turned into a bit of a gong show, so I think they are slowly giving Kelly Hrudey more air time. It's a big deal in Canada as Hockey Night in Canada is by FAR the most successful franchise in Canadian TV. Imagine Monday Night Football being number one every single week. Factor in that almost every  other hit show is American as well as hockey's hallowed status, and you can begin to understand the type of scrutiny Cherry receives.

He picked Anaheim to win the series, interestingly enough.

As far as politics goes, he drew the ire of many when he suggested in March 2003 that Canada should fight in Iraq on the basis of "standing by our friends".  (and to confirm - Canada is very much implicated in Afghanistan, not in Iraq)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 03, 2007, 07:55:58 PM
Teddy,Cherry coached our high school team as a part time gig while selling Caddys.It was shortly after his Rochester American playing days ended and the high school league in Rochester was in its early years.A few things happened after that.First Harry Sinden moved to Roch after the Bruins first cup over money differences with the Bruins.He was an exec for a modular housing company that lasted several years and the company later wound up in court with accusations of Mob Ties.While Sinden was in Roch he and Cherry became friends.At the same time our beloved Amerks were being shortchanged by the NHL club at the time your Vancouver Canucks.So Rochester gave the Canucks the dear john letter,Sinden wound up back in the Bruins front office and the Amerks began a working agreement that had the Bruins as the parent club.Shortly after that Cherry became head coach in Boston till he and Sinden had their big falling out.The Bruin days were when he had his first dog named"Blue".After that he got into broadcasting became an icon and a very wealthy man which still did nothing for his fashion sense.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 03, 2007, 08:44:14 PM
Cherry is a fascinating case. CBC is of course publicly funded. So there is an expectation among some that there should be some accountability on what is said on the channel. So when Cherry attacks Euros or French-Canadians, there is controversy (especially in the case of the latter).

He knows hockey, but he's turned into a bit of a gong show, so I think they are slowly giving Kelly Hrudey more air time. It's a big deal in Canada as Hockey Night in Canada is by FAR the most successful franchise in Canadian TV. Imagine Monday Night Football being number one every single week. Factor in that almost every  other hit show is American as well as hockey's hallowed status, and you can begin to understand the type of scrutiny Cherry receives.

He picked Anaheim to win the series, interestingly enough.

As far as politics goes, he drew the ire of many when he suggested in March 2003 that Canada should fight in Iraq on the basis of "standing by our friends".  (and to confirm - Canada is very much implicated in Afghanistan, not in Iraq)

Thebiz -- thanks -- you've said it all, and eloquently.  Yes I guess that's right -- "Hockey Night in Canada" is pretty much the only game in town -- or at least the main game.  Can you remember a couple of years ago there was a strike at the CBC and the HIC was down for the count?  American movies were played on Sat. nights instead.  I get the feeling, too, that Cherry is somewhat fading, and Kelly is the new kid in town -- Ron MacLean looked decidedly uncomfortable not being the "young straight-guy foil" to Cherry - instead being the older, kind of boring guy to Kelly @ Co (this could be my own imagination and unfair) when they were on HIC together.  Did he pick Anaheim to win?  Looks like he'll probably collect on that one.  (Am I being unfair and obviously prejudiced or are the Ducks a bunch of huge fighty bullies?)



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 03, 2007, 08:49:13 PM
Teddy,Cherry coached our high school team as a part time gig while selling Caddys.It was shortly after his Rochester American playing days ended and the high school league in Rochester was in its early years.A few things happened after that.First Harry Sinden moved to Roch after the Bruins first cup over money differences with the Bruins.He was an exec for a modular housing company that lasted several years and the company later wound up in court with accusations of Mob Ties.While Sinden was in Roch he and Cherry became friends.At the same time our beloved Amerks were being shortchanged by the NHL club at the time your Vancouver Canucks.So Rochester gave the Canucks the dear john letter,Sinden wound up back in the Bruins front office and the Amerks began a working agreement that had the Bruins as the parent club.Shortly after that Cherry became head coach in Boston till he and Sinden had their big falling out.The Bruin days were when he had his first dog named"Blue".A fter that he got into broadcasting became an icon and a very wealthy man which still did nothing for his fashion sense.

This is fascinating stuff Bo.  I've done a search and found the incident you describe on Wikipedia. It would seem the Amerks and Cherry were the heroes and Canucks interests the villains somewhat in that agreement -- with good players being drained from the Amerks to go to the -- have I got this right -- the "minor league Canucks" team?  I'd never even heard of the Amerks (great name -- seems complementary to Canucks!) or the AHL.  I know we've got a Western Hockey League and the Vancouver Giants expansion team won it thiss year much to the joy of many Vancouverites who prefer them to the Canucks, and they were given a lot of coverage.  I guess this is an expansion team vs a "farm team".  I believe the Vancouver farm team is the Manitoba Moose.

Anyway -- I'm going back to the beginning of this thread, as am enjoying it.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 03, 2007, 08:55:33 PM
P.S.,Don't you miss the old NHL where they beat the heck out of each other?The Bruins had Terry O and Stan Johnathon who was supposed to be part some kind of Canadian Indian.Edmonton had those two guys names escape me that you just wanted to hit every time you saw them.The Flyers always had first rate thugs.

In particular I seem to remember a guy called Schultz.  I am saddened to see, Bo, that you liked the old punch-out days.  "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out."  I recall the famed Canada vs Russia series with guys skating around, hair flowing freely.  I think Cherry called the Russians with their helmets "sissies" or something --- but I have to admit, I'm just hazarding a guess here.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 03, 2007, 09:05:04 PM
That's an amazing story BoSox. Love it.

Trojan - I live in Ottawa. I can report that this city is going bananas. I will be deprived of a serious party if Anaheim wins the cup. I'm otherwise indifferent towards the result.

The kind of cool thing is that all of Canada, ie Canucks fans, Oilers fans, even Maple Leaf fans I'm sure, are rooting for the Sens now.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 03, 2007, 09:21:36 PM
In particular I seem to remember a guy called Schultz. 

Dave "The Hammer" Schultz, who played for Philadelphia, I believe.  Years after he retired, he played in an alumni game we attended and was a really nice guy to the crowd.  On ice, he mocked his reputation by fake pounding on some opposing players, who went along with it a bit and died on the ice. 

Also playing in that game were Brian Burke (now the Anaheim GM, then the Whalers GM), Rick Middleton, Gilles Villemure, Jean Potvin, and Gilbert Dionne, among others. All really nice guys, at least when they're playing for charity.  Despite the Whaler connection with Burke, I was hoping for the Sens to take the Cup.  It will take some doing at this point, though.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 04, 2007, 12:17:26 AM
In particular I seem to remember a guy called Schultz. 

Dave "The Hammer" Schultz, who played for Philadelphia, I believe.  Years after he retired, he played in an alumni game we attended and was a really nice guy to the crowd.  On ice, he mocked his reputation by fake pounding on some opposing players, who went along with it a bit and died on the ice. 

Also playing in that game were Brian Burke (now the Anaheim GM, then the Whalers GM), Rick Middleton, Gilles Villemure, Jean Potvin, and Gilbert Dionne, among others. All really nice guys, at least when they're playing for charity.  Despite the Whaler connection with Burke, I was hoping for the Sens to take the Cup.  It will take some doing at this point, though.

That was him -- "the Hammer" - thanks Harrie.  Funny story.  All I knew was that he was a "hit man" for the Flyers - would bully the more talented goal scorers, as the heavies were expected to do.  What a small world -- Brian Burke was the Canucks' GM a few years ago until his contract wasn't renewed.  His wife, a very popular local newscaster, Jennifer Mather, was asked if she was rooting for the Canucks or the Ducks and she apparently said she wasn't sure, it was a difficult choice or something -- but husband apparently (I keep saying apparently because I heard about this from someone -- didn't hear directly) said "of course she's rooting for the Ducks!".  Turncoat, I say.

Looks like one advantage for the Sens may the suspension of Ponger (sp) for slugging the Sen player in the head during the last game.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 04, 2007, 12:22:40 AM
He didn't slug him.The guy just skated into his hand!!  ;)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 04, 2007, 12:39:36 AM
Oh, yeah, -- just like Cherry would say. (I saw the slug in the replay and the interview with the guy who said something like "just hope no hard feelings, not taken the wrong way" or some such thing..)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 04, 2007, 01:25:33 AM
I was just reading where NBC has Cherry on during the intermission with Brett Hull this year.I went to the kitchen during the intermissions on Sat so don't know if this happened or fell through but the story said it would not disrupt his CBC time.I'll stay tuned on Monday night.Teddy the Rochester Americans came into the AHL during the 56-57 season I think.But there was an NHL Franchise for awhile The New York Americans back thirty or so years before that.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 04, 2007, 05:55:07 PM
I ate at a Don Cherry's once...  that's about as close as I can come to participating in thatg conversation though.  :)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 04, 2007, 06:04:23 PM
Pronger's "blow" to the head did not look like much of a "blow" to me.  It was basically a clothesline (albeit with an elbow), which we've seen plenty of and no suspensions resulted from those...

The problem was that McAmmond was moving fast and the fulcrum was such that his head came down fast and hit the ice hard.  Pronger was actually quite a gentleman about it afterward I thought.  He said he totally understood the suspension and hoped McAmmond was ok--no whining whatso ever from him.

Anaheim's coach however, pointed out that Chris Neil's  blow to the head of Andy McDonald in the same game was much more vicious and yet...nothing.  I have a feeling Mr. Neil will be dealt with tonight...

I thought overall the officiating in game three was inexcuseable.  I understand the NHL has a lot to gain financially, but they shouldn't let it show that obviously...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 04, 2007, 08:58:39 PM
Well I'll give Ottawa great grades for ACTING.Two horrible calls in the 1st against The Ducks.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 04, 2007, 09:36:42 PM
Thanks for the above, re history, Bosox.

Obviously, I'm not much of an expert when it comes to what's true penalty-worthy viciousness and what's just regular rough and tumble play -- it depresses me to think the horrible officiating is always in the Senators favour.  I did think that looked like a slug, but they were moving pretty fast.

The worse offender for thuggery was Vancouver Canucks Bertuzzi, though some Vancouverites thought he was treated too harshly, naturally.  However, he put the other player out of hockey commission for good.  It was a pre-meditated hit designed as payback for some aggressiveness on the other player's part in a previous game, against a certain Canucks player -- but that aggressiveness paled in comparison to what Bertuzzi did (pretty much smashed the guy's head with his fist as I recall).  I just don't have any patience for anything more than a firm hit against the boards.  I hate the bullying  and harrassing of great goal-tenders.

I was happy when Bertuzzi was traded.

Yea!  We're ahead by 1!

I crowed too soon -- it's 1-1.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 04, 2007, 11:58:24 PM
Well -- I guess the Ducks outplayed the Sens this eve.  Series now at 3-1. 

As Ron McLean said  at the end -- something like -- "Is the gig up for the Senators?" and "Gig's up for the Ducks!"

What was that shot on the Ducks goalie that so concerned everyone -- looked like a crazy long-shot to me, but aside from that, nothing so terrible.





Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 05, 2007, 12:25:06 AM
I really want 7 so I get to watch more hockey.Having Don Cherry on NBC for the 2nd intermission was worth the price of admission alone! What a suit and tie combo and such talk.I think he actually woke a few suits at NBC up.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 09:34:38 AM
Length of season too long?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070604.wsptroy4/BNStory/Front


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 05, 2007, 10:39:08 AM
What was that shot on the Ducks goalie that so concerned everyone -- looked like a crazy long-shot to me, but aside from that, nothing so terrible.

Do you mean when Alfredsson directed a shot at one of the Niedermayers as a period ended, and everyone got their panties in a bunch about it?  Someone was sputtering "How classless" and everyone jumped on the "How could he DOOO that" bandwagon. 

Though I watched the replay a few times, I just couldn't get irate, or even mildly excited.   I also thought it was kind of funny because Anaheim has one of the thuggier reputations in the league, and the thought -- the thought!! -- of another team taking shots at them....well, apparently it's just not done.  Maybe I missed something, but that's my away-er way of looking at it.

Alternatively, I thought that since hockey ratings aren't exactly soaring, the announcers were trying to create some drama and therefore interest in the game.  This is a principle I strongly disagree with, as whoring out hockey (or any sport) is just a waste of time, IMHO.  Those who are interested in it will follow.  Those who aren't, won't.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 05, 2007, 11:23:13 AM
I think a point blank slap shot directed "at" an opposing player has the potential to do much more harm than simply extending an elbow out to the side, gentlemen. 

He clearly shifted his positioning so that he could hit Neidermeyer and not the goal.  He did hit Neidermeyer in the chest with the shot.  18 inches higher and that would have been in the face and Scott Neidermeyer would be having reconstructive surgery all night.

If Pronger was suspended for sticking his elbow out, then Alfredson should be suspended for intentionally trying to injure Neidermeyer.

Other than that, it was no big deal.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 05, 2007, 11:27:22 AM
Okay.  The replays I saw were all medium- or long shots, so I didn't catch the gravity of the situation.  Still, makes we wonder what may have gone uncalled previously to elicit that behavior from Alfredsson in the first place.  Though he is a dirty Swede....  (kidding!)


Title: thugs
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 05, 2007, 11:37:07 AM


The worse offender for thuggery was Vancouver Canucks Bertuzzi,


The one that I saw that still stands out in my mind was when one of the LA Kings players broke his stick directly over the head of an opposing player about 10 years ago.  Help me remember his name--his sister played for the US Olympic Hockey team.  

 I don't particularly recall him being a thug prior to this incident, but there was just no excusing it in any manner.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 05, 2007, 11:38:55 AM
I recall reading recently that the last time a player of the caliber of Chris Pronger was suspended during a finals series was 1955 -- Maurice “Rocket” Richard…

A little research produced this gem  (speaking of breaking sticks over people’s heads)

http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=56&category=sports


The article I read earlier did not exactly portray the full extent of the incident or the penalty…


Title: Re: thugs
Post by: harrie on June 05, 2007, 11:52:28 AM

The one that I saw that still stands out in my mind was when one of the LA Kings players broke his stick directly over the head of an opposing player about 10 years ago.  Help me remember his name--his sister played for the US Olympic Hockey team.  

 I don't particularly recall him being a thug prior to this incident, but there was just no excusing it in any manner.


Tony Granato's sister Cami played hockey (and is now married to Ray Ferraro).  Granato whacked Peter Worrell over the head.


Title: Re: thugs
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 05, 2007, 12:01:11 PM


Tony Granato's sister Cami played hockey (and is now married to Ray Ferraro).  Granato whacked Peter Worrell over the head.
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that's the one!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 05, 2007, 12:14:54 PM
And just so nobody gets left out, don't forget Marty McSorley and his hit on Donald Brashear years ago.  He got suspended for like a year or something, IIRC. 

Speaking of bad behavior, late last summer-early last fall there was a news blurb about a hockey player, possibly an old enforcer, who got into some violence and/or trouble at a hotel in Canada.  The papers said names would be released when charges were brought (or something like that), but that charges would be brought.  Well, I've heard nothing since then, though I do have $5 on McSorley in the pool -- did anyone else hear more about this one, or did I dream it up?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 11:01:21 PM
What was that shot on the Ducks goalie that so concerned everyone -- looked like a crazy long-shot to me, but aside from that, nothing so terrible.

Do you mean when Alfredsson directed a shot at one of the Niedermayers as a period ended, and everyone got their panties in a bunch about it?  Someone was sputtering "How classless" and everyone jumped on the "How could he DOOO that" bandwagon. 

Though I watched the replay a few times, I just couldn't get irate, or even mildly excited.   I also thought it was kind of funny because Anaheim has one of the thuggier reputations in the league, and the thought -- the thought!! -- of another team taking shots at them....well, apparently it's just not done.  Maybe I missed something, but that's my away-er way of looking at it.

Alternatively, I thought that since hockey ratings aren't exactly soaring, the announcers were trying to create some drama and therefore interest in the game.  This is a principle I strongly disagree with, as whoring out hockey (or any sport) is just a waste of time, IMHO.  Those who are interested in it will follow.  Those who aren't, won't.



Thanks Harrie!  I'm ashamed to say all I saw was replay of this long looking shot on what I thought was goal -- not goalie, so I missed the point of all the outrage.  I'd agree with you re the phoniness of the outrage then -- one rather impressive salt and pepper bearded Duck sniffed (rather impressively) to interviewer re the shot -- "I don't know what he was thinking" ..

At any rate -- I suppose frustration at the end -- there's no excuse for it, but ..



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 11:03:10 PM
Teddy,Cherry coached our high school team as a part time gig while selling Caddys.It was shortly after his Rochester American playing days ended and the high school league in Rochester was in its early years.A few things happened after that.First Harry Sinden moved to Roch after the Bruins first cup over money differences with the Bruins.He was an exec for a modular housing company that lasted several years and the company later wound up in court with accusations of Mob Ties.While Sinden was in Roch he and Cherry became friends.At the same time our beloved Amerks were being shortchanged by the NHL club at the time your Vancouver Canucks.So Rochester gave the Canucks the dear john letter,Sinden wound up back in the Bruins front office and the Amerks began a working agreement that had the Bruins as the parent club.Shortly after that Cherry became head coach in Boston till he and Sinden had their big falling out.The Bruin days were when he had his first dog named"Blue".After that he got into broadcasting became an icon and a very wealthy man which still did nothing for his fashion sense.

I keep meaning to ask you, Bosox -- what the heck was Cherry like as a coach?  Do you recall any details of your experience as a young high school player?


Title: Re: thugs
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 11:05:15 PM


The worse offender for thuggery was Vancouver Canucks Bertuzzi,


The one that I saw that still stands out in my mind was when one of the LA Kings players broke his stick directly over the head of an opposing player about 10 years ago.  Help me remember his name--his sister played for the US Olympic Hockey team.  

 I don't particularly recall him being a thug prior to this incident, but there was just no excusing it in any manner.


Ha -- at least he gets credit for blatant violence -- I don't think a real thug would do something like that -- thugs are a lot sneakier, as is their stock in trade.  A stick broken over the head is just pure frustrated violence by an innocent of sorts who has lost all self-control (and of course, deserves suspension).


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 11:06:14 PM
And just so nobody gets left out, don't forget Marty McSorley and his hit on Donald Brashear years ago.  He got suspended for like a year or something, IIRC. 

Speaking of bad behavior, late last summer-early last fall there was a news blurb about a hockey player, possibly an old enforcer, who got into some violence and/or trouble at a hotel in Canada.  The papers said names would be released when charges were brought (or something like that), but that charges would be brought.  Well, I've heard nothing since then, though I do have $5 on McSorley in the pool -- did anyone else hear more about this one, or did I dream it up?

Ha -- perhaps worth a little research..


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 05, 2007, 11:17:05 PM
He was a bit more normal back in those days.One thing I still recall though is that the Erie Canal ran through our town Pittsford and in winter drained way down low I think it was Cherrys idea to use it as a practice site giving us free ice.As for Mc Sorley lets not forget maybe his greatest goof.With the Wayne Gretksy led Kings in their only Stanley Cup final vs Montreal years ago and with the Kings leading the series and on the way to another win in Montreal,McSorley was caught with an illegallly curved stick The Canadiens went on to score a goal ,win that game and the Kings went south the rest of the series.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 11:21:03 PM
I recall reading recently that the last time a player of the caliber of Chris Pronger was suspended during a finals series was 1955 -- Maurice “Rocket” Richard…

A little research produced this gem  (speaking of breaking sticks over people’s heads)

http://info.detnews.com/history/story/index.cfm?id=56&category=sports


The article I read earlier did not exactly portray the full extent of the incident or the penalty…


Great story -- (now I know what the model was for the Vancouver riot of 1994 when the Canucks lost to the Rangers..)  You've got to give Campbell credit for having balls..

Great that Richard bounced back the next year to lead them to a Stanley Cup as promised..


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 11:23:09 PM
He was a bit more normal back in those days.One thing I still recall though is that the Erie Canal ran through our town Pittsford and in winter drained way down low I think it was Cherrys idea to use it as a practice site giving us free ice.As for Mc Sorley lets not forget maybe his greatest goof.With the Wayne Gretksy led Kings in their only Stanley Cup final vs Montreal years ago and with the Kings leading the series and on the way to another win in Montreal,McSorley was caught with an illegallly curved stick The Canadiens went on to score a goal ,win that game and the Kings went south the rest of the series.

"More normal" -- I imagined him a tough coach.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 05, 2007, 11:24:31 PM
I looked it up and it was the 92-93 Stanley Cup.The Kings were about to go up two games to none in Montreal going back to L.A. and McSorleys goof came near the end of the game.They lost game 2 in overtime and Montreal took the next three to get another cup.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 05, 2007, 11:24:48 PM
I recall reading recently that the last time a player of the caliber of Chris Pronger was suspended ..

I wish Pronger hadn't been suspended -- every time he's been suspended, the flipping Ducks have won ..


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 06, 2007, 10:35:15 AM



Thanks Harrie!  I'm ashamed to say all I saw was replay of this long looking shot on what I thought was goal -- not goalie, so I missed the point of all the outrage.  I'd agree with you re the phoniness of the outrage then -- one rather impressive salt and pepper bearded Duck sniffed (rather impressively) to interviewer re the shot -- "I don't know what he was thinking" ..


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Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 06, 2007, 10:40:26 AM



Thanks Harrie!  I'm ashamed to say all I saw was replay of this long looking shot on what I thought was goal -- not goalie, so I missed the point of all the outrage.  I'd agree with you re the phoniness of the outrage then -- one rather impressive salt and pepper bearded Duck sniffed (rather impressively) to interviewer re the shot -- "I don't know what he was thinking" ..


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Whoops...maybe an automatic preview function like the NYT had would have helped...somehow I popped the post button before I started typing


Teddie, I think you're just trying to get my goat?

That salt & Pepper Duck is Scott Niedermeyer -- the defenseman that was hit by the puck.  It didn't go anywhere near the goal.

Here are a couple of deflected slapshots that took people's eyes out.  Remember not even direct shots (which this would have been)



http://www.canoe.ca/Slam020512/col_francis-sun.html

http://sports.mainetoday.com/pirates/stories/070225smith.html

Betting we could find a lot more if we wanted to spend the time looking...I think the moral of the story is, wear a shield...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 06, 2007, 10:41:56 AM
teddy -

With an American team on the verge of winning the Stanley Cup again, I have to ask: why do you people suck at hockey so much?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 06, 2007, 10:50:16 AM
I know that was tongue in cheek Whiskey...

More Canadians on the Ducks team than on the Ottowa team actually.

I'll be there tonight, hoping to see the cup at center ice after the game...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 06, 2007, 08:49:50 PM
teddy -

With an American team on the verge of winning the Stanley Cup again, I have to ask: why do you people suck at hockey so much?


http://www.hhof.com/html/olypress.shtml

http://www.hhof.com/html/olygallery06.shtml#x


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11414962/



(Plus -- what TrojanHorse said -- even that crumby Pronger is probably Canadian ..)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 06, 2007, 08:56:10 PM
Teddie, I think you're just trying to get my goat?

That salt & Pepper Duck is Scott Niedermeyer -- the defenseman that was hit by the puck.  It didn't go anywhere near the goal.


No - no I'm not trying to get your goat, I really just saw one snippet of what looked to be a hopeless desperate but legit long shot by one of the Sens on the Duck goalie -- didn't know salt and pepper was the target and victim.  I will not make excuses for the Senator -- but I have to agree with Harrie about the "outraged/wounded/superior tone" of some of these big heavyweight intimidators -- reminds me of a lot of big, winning teams - like Yankies, etc - and phony "niceness" etc (though I could be biased). 

You want a really nice, decent guy -- try Trevor Linden of the Canucks.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 06, 2007, 09:24:55 PM
Having said all that - Anaheim is now up 2-0 against Senators in the 2nd period.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 06, 2007, 11:05:24 PM
Well -- congratulations to the Ducks.  Now seeing them interviewed, some of them don't seem so bad.

And the Sens did amazingly well.  Here's hoping for next year for the Canucks.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 06, 2007, 11:11:13 PM
Well -- congratulations to the Ducks.  Now seeing them interviewed, some of them don't seem so bad.

Well, yeah -- they're mostly Canadians!  I can't be too upset, because I genuinely like Brian Burke; and yippee for former Whaler prospect J-S Giguere.   Pronger, too, I guess. 

Congrats to the Ducks.  Congrats to the Sens too, for getting this far.  How many days 'til camp opens?




Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 07, 2007, 12:09:25 AM

That salt & Pepper Duck is Scott Niedermeyer -- the defenseman that was hit by the puck.  It didn't go anywhere near the goal.

Here are a couple of deflected slapshots that took people's eyes out.  Remember not even direct shots (which this would have been)



By the way -- the salt and pepper Duck I saw as "the enemy" was in fact raised in Cranbrook, BC (my Province).

So much for flag waving ...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 07, 2007, 12:39:27 AM
Jenn,I wanted seven games so bad.My buddy in NY being from Calif wanted to know why Niedermeyer sounded so familiar and he's becoming a real New Yorker cause he said"Did he play for the Rangers?" and I told him no he played for The Devils.Then I got to thinking about the other"Niedermeyer" the saliva spitting evil ROTC one from "Animal House" and was surprised to find out he played "The Mastero" character on Seinfeld.Oh well this site has gotten some traffic after starting out slow so I hope it stays afloat in the offseason. ;D


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 07, 2007, 02:11:06 AM
All night long newscasts and even the commish on awarding the cup said that the Ducks are the first west coast team in history to win the Stanley Cup.That simply is not true.The NHL took control of the Cup after 1926 but it has been awarded since 1893.In 1914-15 the Vancouver Millionaires won it.In 1916-17 the Seattle Metropolitans won it and in 1924-25 the Victoria Cougars won it.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 07, 2007, 09:30:48 AM
Then I got to thinking about the other"Niedermeyer" the saliva spitting evil ROTC one from "Animal House" and was surprised to find out he played "The Mastero" character on Seinfeld.

And The Master (a villian) on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  Coincidence??  (And the bad dad in a Quiet Riot video -- Come On, Hear the Noise maybe? -- but that really doesn't have anything to do with anything.)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 07, 2007, 09:35:58 AM
Jenn,I wanted seven games so bad.My buddy in NY being from Calif wanted to know why Niedermeyer sounded so familiar and he's becoming a real New Yorker cause he said"Did he play for the Rangers?" and I told him no he played for The Devils.Then I got to thinking about the other"Niedermeyer" the saliva spitting evil ROTC one from "Animal House" and was surprised to find out he played "The Mastero" character on Seinfeld.Oh well this site has gotten some traffic after starting out slow so I hope it stays afloat in the offseason. ;D

Bosox -- small world!  You two must be the only ones down in the sunny climes there who even heard of the Rangers (except for maybe the stadium full of people cheering for the Stanley Cup winners yesterday -- maybe this will revive hockey down there again).  Just looked up Mark Metcalfe and didn't even recognize him in picture from Animal House as Niedermeyer -- but do vividly remember his turn as the Maestro (Elaine's boyfriend) in Seinfeld -- (for a minute I thought you were referring to another boyfriend - "Puddy" of Elaine's, the rabid Devils fan with the painted face) ..


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 07, 2007, 09:38:53 AM
All night long newscasts and even the commish on awarding the cup said that the Ducks are the first west coast team in history to win the Stanley Cup.That simply is not true.The NHL took control of the Cup after 1926 but it has been awarded since 1893.In 1914-15 the Vancouver Millionaires won it.In 1916-17 the Seattle Metropolitans won it and in 1924-25 the Victoria Cougars won it.

Bosox -- maybe they were just referring to NHL period -- but should have clarified.  (I doubt anyone but you down there would know this data!)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 07, 2007, 09:41:43 AM
Then I got to thinking about the other"Niedermeyer" the saliva spitting evil ROTC one from "Animal House" and was surprised to find out he played "The Mastero" character on Seinfeld.

And The Master (a villian) on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.  Coincidence??  (And the bad dad in a Quiet Riot video -- Come On, Hear the Noise maybe? -- but that really doesn't have anything to do with anything.)

Harrie -- after seeing several of them, virtually every one from Canada, most from Ontario (Sens province), interviewed with their little kids and wives,  spoiled my pleasant thoughts of them as villains -- but still say anyone with the name Neidermeyer ... (or Pronger) .. can't be good.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 07, 2007, 09:53:45 AM
Harrie -- after seeing several of them, virtually every one from Canada, most from Ontario (Sens province), interviewed with their little kids and wives,  spoiled my pleasant thoughts of them as villains -- but still say anyone with the name Neidermeyer ... (or Pronger) .. can't be good.

Yeah, the Niedermayers are kind of screwed, thanks to Animal House and (IMO) the whole "brothers who want to play together" crap all over the media.   

I've heard scuttlebutt that Pronger really is a blockheaded jerk, even back to his school days, but for all I know the source is just a crank, or maybe someone who did go to school with him but has an axe to grind.  When he was in Hartford, Pronger was kind of a jerk; but he was also 19-20 years old and in the strange situation of being a teenager (IIRC) and the future/savior of a hurting team.  So in my book anyway, he gets kind of a pass for idiot behavior at that time, because that's a lot to put on a kid.  But who knows, maybe under that layer of attitude is just more attitude?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 07, 2007, 10:40:50 AM
And the story was quietly released last night (using the Stanley Cup hoopla as camouflage, no doubt) that the Islanders are buying out Alexei ("Don't Call Me Mr. Carol Alt, Damnit!") Yashin's huuge contract.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on June 07, 2007, 03:15:52 PM
All night long newscasts and even the commish on awarding the cup said that the Ducks are the first west coast team in history to win the Stanley Cup.That simply is not true.The NHL took control of the Cup after 1926 but it has been awarded since 1893.In 1914-15 the Vancouver Millionaires won it.In 1916-17 the Seattle Metropolitans won it and in 1924-25 the Victoria Cougars won it.

That Cougars team was dynamite. They would have easily handled either the Ducks or the Sens.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 09, 2007, 12:45:54 AM
I can't believe anyone ever heard of the Victoria Cougars .


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 09, 2007, 01:15:27 AM
I do believe he is from Victoria.I noticed the article in the NYTimes on fri about Teemu S. mentioned at the end the three  previous west coast winners and years while saying the same thing you did Jenn about  it being the first since the NHL gained exclusive rights.One would think though that the commish of the NHL would know or be told about the Cups History.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 09, 2007, 09:25:00 AM
I do believe he is from Victoria.I noticed the article in the NYTimes on fri about Teemu S. mentioned at the end the three  previous west coast winners and years while saying the same thing you did Jenn about  it being the first since the NHL gained exclusive rights.One would think though that the commish of the NHL would know or be told about the Cups History.


Bosox -- here's the error corrected you refer to (that you caught ahead of them)!

"Correction: June 8, 2007

A sports headline and an article in some copies yesterday about the Anaheim Ducks’ defeat of the Ottawa Senators to capture the Stanley Cup referred incorrectly to the accomplishment. Anaheim is the first West Coast team to win the Cup since the National Hockey League took control starting with the 1927 playoffs; it is not the first West Coast team ever to win the championship. That distinction is held by the Vancouver Millionaires, who took the Cup in 1915. (The Seattle Metropolitans won in 1917, and the Victoria Cougars in 1925.)"


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 09, 2007, 09:40:08 AM
Harrie -- thanks for the above re Pronger!

Bosox -- who is from Victoria -- can't quite figure out who you're referring to above?

 
I had some months ago thought the Ducks were one and the same as the "Mighty Ducks" and referred them as such when they entered the playoffs - but then thought I'd made a terrible mistake and that was some different team featured in a movie -- and felt horribly embarrassed for having called them that in retrospect.  Now reading the article on Teemu, I note that is what they'd originally been called.  Nice story about Teemu, a Finn (by the way, many players on the Canucks team are Swedes).  (But does he look like a former kindergarten teacher in the picture of him hoisting the cup?  "Scary Ducks" indeed -- almost everyone of them with a full beard.)



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 09, 2007, 02:17:36 PM
Jenn, I was referring to  thebizneverlos and his post about the Victoria Cougars.I think he is from the area.As for the Mighty Ducks thank god Disney sold the team and they at least dropped the "mighty" from their name.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 09, 2007, 05:16:40 PM
Jenn, I was referring to  thebizneverlos and his post about the Victoria Cougars.I think he is from the area.As for the Mighty Ducks thank god Disney sold the team and they at least dropped the "mighty" from their name.

Thanks Bo.  I'm a bit slow on the uptake -- (a bit like the Bob and Ray Komodo Dragon sketch).  The Biz -- you from Victoria?

Ah - so that's why the name change --

A lot of hockey clubs seem to have less than great names-- for example the "Senators" doesn't exactly conjure up a sense of vigour or even mild athleticism (though I'm thinking of modern-day senators); the Ducks sound just goofy;  dare I say "the Canucks" could have a better name-- maybe all the good ones were taken pre-NHL days.  Maybe some of them are good - the NJ Devils, Minnesota Wild, Dallas Stars, of course classic Montreal Canadiens, Toronto Maples Leafs, Edmonton Oilers I guess is an appropriate name -- well I guess I've talked myself out of it, maybe most of the names are pretty good.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 09, 2007, 05:20:21 PM
And the story was quietly released last night (using the Stanley Cup hoopla as camouflage, no doubt) that the Islanders are buying out Alexei ("Don't Call Me Mr. Carol Alt, Damnit!") Yashin's huuge contract.

Well - I've just researched Yashin and seems he might have been not properly rewarded when first signed to Canadian team, as consistently did better than other rookie who was paid more; however his seeming greed in demanding more and withdrawal of a large donation made him unpopular with the fans and by the time he got around to earning more money with the Islanders, he wasn't peforming well enough to earn it.   


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 09, 2007, 05:59:18 PM
Early last season, Yashin was looking okay -- like he was buying into the system, etc. and he was getting the points.  Then he had a knee (? I think) injury, missed about 20 games, and just wasn't the same, play-wise or attitude-wise.  It's kind of a shame to waste his talent with bad behavior, but it's also a huge waste of money to pay the guy for the way he was performing. 

I believe the Isles are using the money that will be freed up to try and keep Ryan Smyth (don't know what the odds are on that one) and Jason Blake.  Could be interesting.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 10, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Early last season, Yashin was looking okay -- like he was buying into the system, etc. and he was getting the points.  Then he had a knee (? I think) injury, missed about 20 games, and just wasn't the same, play-wise or attitude-wise.  It's kind of a shame to waste his talent with bad behavior, but it's also a huge waste of money to pay the guy for the way he was performing. 

I believe the Isles are using the money that will be freed up to try and keep Ryan Smyth (don't know what the odds are on that one) and Jason Blake.  Could be interesting.

I guess that's where the skill or lack thereof of the owners comes in.  Does coach have any say in who they keep and who they hire?  The Canucks coach is very much liked by all here for making decisions very different from those of the former coach, Mark Crawford, who tended to play the big name stars, and stay loyal to them (Bertuzzi), rather than take a chance on young lesser knowns, as new coach, Vigneault, does -- Vigneault also "mixed things up" and got three offensive lines going instead of just the one -- (though might not have known at end of series against Ducks -- but I say the season's too long and they were burned out by coming off multiple long OT's in previous series.  No excuse.  The Ducks were the strongest.

From the article I read on Yashin, it seems when he was perhaps worthy of the amount he wanted to be paid, he wasn't paid it, and then when he was paid it, he didn't quite come up to the level expected -- though as you say, did fine for awhile.  (In Ottawa fans called him "Cash-in".)



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 10, 2007, 10:43:51 PM
I've heard the "Cash-in" rap on Yashin, too.  And if you look at the stats, it's pretty accurate. 

But I think it happens often with a lot of players.  So often, when Player X is having a real hot streak --he seems to have flipped a switch and is skating faster, blocking shots, and finding the net -- someone notes that his contract is up this year, and he's playing well in order to establish a better negotiating stance.  When he gets that huge contract, he relaxes and everyone calls him an overpaid, lazy sack of something.  Which may or may not be a fair assessment.

Who knows what goes on with the Islanders ownership/management?  They gave us that wonderful game of musical GMs, not to mention the GM consortium principle, last year.  Right now, Ted Nolan's got the team working well, so I think management is giving him a generous, if not totally free, hand with the team.  After all, Nolan sat Yashin and put him on the fourth line this spring without retribution.  So while Wang may not know what he's doing, it looks like he may know enough that if something's working, leave it alone. 
Then again, Wang's a business executive, so who knows how long that modus operandi will last?  I dunno.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 11, 2007, 02:50:13 AM
I went down to San Diego late last night since my neighbors were going down for a baptism and decided to see my brother his family.I had forgotten he has a seat from the old Montreal Forum.My older brother bought it for him as a b-day present when they sold off the place.My bro in San Diego went to St.Michaels in Vermont and when I was at Northeastern  my older brother flew back from L.A. a few times right before X-Mass and we all met in Burlington to drive up to Montreal for a game at the forum.We saw them play the Blackhawks one year,Vancouver another and the Minn.Northstars the last time.My brother in San Diego is a diehard Montreal Fan,brother in L.A. A rangers and myself a Bruins.My younger bros are Rangers and Kings but they never went along.We always had a great time.The old Forum was beautiful.It was like walking into a shrine(like the old Boston Garden) of Hockey.They had large team pictures from years past under the arena in the hallways and No food or drink was allowed in the stands only where you ordered it could it be consumed so the place was spotless and not a bad seat in the whole place.Plus Montreal is such a great city to wander around.I might add one winter in between several of my frat brothers and I got tickets to a Habs-Bruins game in Montreal.We took along several frogs on the drive up and smuggled them into the forum under our coats planning on tossing them icewards when one of them peed all over my buddy and the noise we made drew the attention of the usher then the security folks who took away our frogs and escorted us from the forum.We spent the rest of the night at a huge three story beer hall called I think"Old Munich" or something.The two floors after the first were just large wrap around balconies so you could see down to the first floor where there was a revolving stage with an OOMPAH band and the waitresses were dressed in the old fraulein style with these tanks of Schnapps on their backs which thay poured into small cups while also serving beer.All told a lot of good Hockey memories from Montreal.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 11, 2007, 02:53:25 AM
Teddy,I was wrong.The Biz lives in Ottawa.Maybe I'm thinking of someone in one of the old NYTimes forums you did not post in who said he lived in Victoria.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 12, 2007, 10:02:09 PM

I had some months ago thought the Ducks were one and the same as the "Mighty Ducks" and referred them as such when they entered the playoffs - but then thought I'd made a terrible mistake and that was some different team featured in a movie -- and felt horribly embarrassed for having called them that in retrospect.  Now reading the article on Teemu, I note that is what they'd originally been called.  Nice story about Teemu, a Finn (by the way, many players on the Canucks team are Swedes).  (But does he look like a former kindergarten teacher in the picture of him hoisting the cup?  "Scary Ducks" indeed -- almost everyone of them with a full beard.)



I was an inagural season ticket holder for "the Mighty Ducks" for the first six years of their existance.  My oldest son was growing up and in club hockey during those years.  Teemu Selanne is a great role model.  The difference between him and Paul Kariya was remarkable.

They all have a full beard because that is Stanley Cup Playoff tradition.  When the playoffs start, the players stop shaving.  Three days later at their vicory parade--all the beards were gone!!!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 12, 2007, 10:03:58 PM
Game 5 was great fun , btw...

During the game, I remarked to my buddy that I expected it to be a lot louder at the pond (technically now the Honda Center)...but with about 5 minutes to go the volume just kept ratcheting up louder and louder until me ears quite literally hurt.  Definitely the loudest I've ever heard in that arena since it opened in 1993.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 12, 2007, 10:44:21 PM
We took along several frogs on the drive up and smuggled them into the forum under our coats planning on tossing them icewards when one of them peed all over my buddy and the noise we made drew the attention of the usher then the security folks who took away our frogs and escorted us from the forum.We spent the rest of the night at a huge three story beer hall called I think"Old Munich" or something.The two floors after the first were just large wrap around balconies so you could see down to the first floor where there was a revolving stage with an OOMPAH band and the waitresses were dressed in the old fraulein style with these tanks of Schnapps on their backs which thay poured into small cups while also serving beer.All told a lot of good Hockey memories from Montreal.

Great story Bosox --


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 12, 2007, 10:46:56 PM
Game 5 was great fun , btw...

During the game, I remarked to my buddy that I expected it to be a lot louder at the pond (technically now the Honda Center)...but with about 5 minutes to go the volume just kept ratcheting up louder and louder until me ears quite literally hurt.  Definitely the loudest I've ever heard in that arena since it opened in 1993.

Good sign for Hockey -- I can remember seeing the Canucks when they made the playoffs in the 1990's at our BC Place here -- unfortunately it was a game they lost (to the Rangers or Islanders), but the excitement was extreme -- the players all looked a lot larger than on TV and the rink smaller, and the skating very fast and exciting.  Whole thing seemed geared to TV ads and wold stop and start accordingly with very loud rock music etc.  The victory game in Anaheim must have been all that much louder and more exciting .. (despite it not being quite the hockey town that Vancouver is ..)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 13, 2007, 11:01:59 AM
Mid way during the 2nd period, my buddy and I traded seats with his girlfriend and were sitting about 10 rows back from glass just in side the blue line.


I turned to him and said Scott Niedermeyer really is "that" good.   It wasn;t that he had pulled off any crowd pleasing steal or hit or anything.  I was just watching him skate and how he thought about where to position himself and how often he was dead on...

It is not a coincidence that this guy has 4 rings.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 13, 2007, 05:24:48 PM
Well that didn't take long.The new Nashville owner is already talking to Hamilton,Ontario to relocate the Preds in case of "problems" with the lease in Nashville.As soon as this guy bought the team I knew after his repeated and blunt denials of moving the team that in fact he did want to move the team.


Title: ouch...
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 15, 2007, 12:14:37 AM


www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qjsp6i5u_k0


Title: this is a MUST watch...
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 15, 2007, 12:16:57 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCwybSXIHcg


absolutely unbelievable


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 15, 2007, 02:24:19 AM
I can't believe the Flames have hired Mike Keenan.The guy has burned so many bridges with former teams.I thought he was a brilliant young coach when he led Rochester to the Calder Cup in 83 and then schocked everyone by going to the Univ of Toronto as head coach for I think it was 2 or three years  before going to the NHL and the Flyers.But his abrasive style seems ill suited for todays game.We shall see.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 15, 2007, 09:32:50 AM
I can't believe the Flames have hired Mike Keenan.The guy has burned so many bridges with former teams.I thought he was a brilliant young coach when he led Rochester to the Calder Cup in 83 and then schocked everyone by going to the Univ of Toronto as head coach for I think it was 2 or three years  before going to the NHL and the Flyers.But his abrasive style seems ill suited for todays game.We shall see.

desperate times call for desperate managers...or something like that...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 15, 2007, 11:10:52 AM
I'm not a fan of Keenan either. He can be a quick fix by scaring the players initially. But then (IMO) everyone starts to recognize him for either a blowhard or a psychopath -- I vote for the latter -- and the player response to the tirades, trades, and threats starts to tail off, thus rendering Keenan's tactics ineffective.  My condolences to the Calgary players.  Have I mentioned I don't like Keenan much?

Like a stooge, I just had to click on the Clint Malarchuck clip that was next in line after one of the links above.  Still recovering.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 16, 2007, 05:14:18 PM
Was it something I said?

Dave Lewis is out as Boston's coach.  He's reportedly being reassigned within the Bruins organization.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 16, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
This just in from ESPN!  Brett Hull is gearing up for one final season with the Blues!  He has agreed to sign a minimum contract.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 16, 2007, 06:26:48 PM
And I think the Ducks just might win the Cup this year, too.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 16, 2007, 06:39:23 PM
You can eat my shorts if you don't believe me.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 16, 2007, 06:51:29 PM
Actually, I was ragging on myself for the Dave Lewis post. Can I pass on the shorts?

But Hull's really gonna play another year in St Louis?  Last time around, didn't he retire part way into the season, saying he just couldn't do it any more?   


(Off to see if butter really is delicious spread on warm bread.)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 17, 2007, 10:28:54 AM
Harrie -- (let me hazard a guess and say "it is")


I thought I posted here earlier but doesn't seem to have stuck -- just to say, glad to note that Canucks Coach Villaineuve won coaching award the other night.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 18, 2007, 01:29:10 AM
NHL:

Neanderthal Homosexual Lovers


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 18, 2007, 02:07:37 AM
Teddy,good to see another coach plucked from the AHL do well in the big league.I was reading tonight where the Bruins might be considering bringing back Mike Milbury as coach which I think is a great idea.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 18, 2007, 02:16:44 AM
I've also seen stories saying the Bruins should give AHL Providence Bruins coach Scott Gordon his chance which would be okay with me.As long as it's not another guy they hire on the cheap.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 18, 2007, 09:41:47 AM
bosox, I wonder if Milbury had a heads-up that Lewis was on the way out -- not that it wasn't written on the wall in big, neon letters I guess.  But Milbury resigned from the Islanders organization last month, which certainly makes him available.  It also makes many, many Islanders fans ecstatic; they've been doing the "Mike Must Go" thing for years.

Here's one send-off from Newsday, which suggests he do broadcasting full time.  http://tinyurl.com/36yfm3

Milbury would be good at it -- better, I guess than Brett Hull who I read in a Vancouver paper is done with broadcasting, at least as far as NBC is concerned.  Barry Melrose has said a number of times that he prefers broadcasting to coaching because you're not under all the pressure but you still get to live, eat and breathe hockey -- and you're (often) the one dishing out the criticism.  I wonder whether Milbury will consider that point of view at all.

It'll be interesting to see which way he goes, or if he does something else completely. 



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 18, 2007, 09:49:14 AM
Teddy,good to see another coach plucked from the AHL do well in the big league.I was reading tonight where the Bruins might be considering bringing back Mike Milbury as coach which I think is a great idea.

Harry -- make that Vigneault -- Sheesh.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: teddy174c on June 18, 2007, 09:50:53 AM
Re Keenan coaching poor Calgary -- our local sports caster likened it to sending your child to perform for / tutor with Simon Cowell.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 18, 2007, 03:02:53 PM
Muckler's out.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=211178&hubname=nhl


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 19, 2007, 10:05:05 AM
...and Claude Julien is the new Bruins coach.  At least he's not an on-the-cheap guy.

Story from the Boston Globe
http://tinyurl.com/28m7kf


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 19, 2007, 11:51:38 PM
The horror! Not another ex-member of that team in Montreal.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 20, 2007, 03:31:25 AM
Reading the later news out of Boston I hope Julien repents and takes the Ottawa Job.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 22, 2007, 02:27:02 AM
I really thought Julien would hold out till the Ottawa thing played itself out.Glad to see Giggy reup with the Ducks.Can't imagine him playing goal somewhere else.Now my interest turns to how many of the several core players the Sabres re-sign.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 22, 2007, 09:53:09 AM
I've been keeping an eye on the Sabres, too, since Chris Drury's a local boy, etc. - found this in the Edmonton Sun.

The Sabres were quietly trying to sign Cs Chris Drury and Daniel Briere, but it appears they're only going to be able to keep one. The word is Buffalo GM Darcy Regier is going to pass on signing Drury and make sure the club keeps Briere. If that's the case, it's expected Drury will land with one of San Jose, Los Angeles or Philly. However, Regier had better move quick because he hasn't shown the Briere camp his cards ... Four teams have shown an interest in free-agent C Alexei Yashin, who was bought out by the Isles.

I think Drury is/was a great fit for Buffalo; and if this pans out as described above, I'll be extremely bummed. 

I've also heard scuttlebutt elsewhere that Philly has cleared out room under the cap, and they'd love Scott Gomez.  This was also mentioned in the Sun, so maybe it has legs.  But I'd heard Gomez and the NYR were very interested in each other; no offense to Philly, a city with great history and stuff, but if I'm Gomez and I have the choice, I'll probably take the NYR.  Much as it pains me to say that.

But all this means nothing, because the draft starts tonight, and things could get wild.  I can only hope.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 22, 2007, 05:50:34 PM
draft starts in about an hour or so...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 22, 2007, 11:02:41 PM
The biggest surprise was to see Angelo Esposito fall all the way to 20th.Last year he was the talk as #1.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 22, 2007, 11:25:29 PM
The biggest surprise was to see Angelo Esposito fall all the way to 20th.Last year he was the talk as #1.

Strange but true....Angelo has uncles named Tony and Phil, but not that Tony and not that Phil.  That Russian kid who was supposed to go early went late, too.  His work ethic was knocked a bit, so he might be a good fit with the NYR, who took him.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 23, 2007, 12:24:08 AM
I was wondering if he was one of those Espos.So the kid doesn't have the Phil Esposito camping gene where he just parks himself in front of the net.An aside the french canadiens who owned the rest I worked at on Cape Cod owned Phil's old dune buggy.He had a summer place in Wellfleet at the time.The thing was always breaking down.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 12:49:09 AM
The biggest surprise was to see Angelo Esposito fall all the way to 20th.Last year he was the talk as #1.

I agree.  I watched with my son and it was almost 2-1/1 hours of waiting.  I kept saying to my sone this painful to watch.  Then after he was picked the interviewer said to him,  "was it painful to sit there as they passed you by, because it was painful to watch..."

Somehow, I don't think he's too dissappointed though.  He'll have a chance to win Stanley cups in 5-7 years...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 01:25:55 AM
It is interesting to see how the teams really see the world differently from each other. 

What’s up with Patrick White going 22nd or whatever it was?   But then I actually felt bad for him when the announcer said “this is not meant as a “dis” but did you ever expect to go this high.” 

Those announcers were really harsh!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 23, 2007, 01:29:45 AM
Patrick White SUCKS!!!!

I'd rather take my chances on Choda Boy......


(http://www.nanarland.com/Chroniques/captainorgazmo/orgazmo03.jpg)


Title: more bad "hits"
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 01:41:26 AM
In 1969, an exhibition game between the Boston Bruins and St. Louis Blues occurred in Canada. Ted Green, a Boston player with the reputation of being physically aggressive, swung and hit Maki on the head. Wayne Maki, a player who did not have the "physical" reputation that Green had, then turned and speared Green on the head with his stick, which fractured Green's skull and required the surgical insertion of a metal plate in his head. Green was out the entire season. At the time of the incident, the players did not wear helmets.

After the incident, Ontario authorities filed criminal charges against both players. Two different courts heard the cases.

In Regina v. Green the court acquitted Green. The judge noted that violent activities occur hundreds of time in a season and that the players are prepared for this kind of activity when they skate. The nature of the game makes this activity a natural consequence, even though the acts would be assaults in other walks of life. In Regina v. Maki, the court focused on the issue of "consent."



Title: Re: NHL Hits
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 01:51:37 AM
http://digg.com/videos/sports/One_of_the_most_painful_hits_in_NHL_history_(Video)

talk about painful to watch


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 02:05:35 AM
http://jackettimes.blogspot.com/2007/03/si-and-youtube-present-five-of-worst.html

this site has a few of the ones we were talking about earlier...including Todd Bertuzzi hit and takedown


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 02:17:41 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-sSoF40e30

mcSorley hit we were discussig earlier...with aftermath including the goalie attacking McSorley


Title: mcsorley's greatest hits
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 02:23:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySXNy3wVNVs&mode=related&search=


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 23, 2007, 02:24:34 AM
As I recall Green wound up jumping to the WHA Whalers when he recovered.The only on ice death in the NHL though happened in Jan 68 when Bill Masterton was checked and fell backwards hitting the back of his head on the ice.I think he lingered a day or so before passing away which really led the push for helmets.Since it was Jan 68 that must have bben the first season 67-68 for the Stars and I read somewhere he scored the first goal in team history.I know the Masterton trophy is named after him.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 02:43:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOAxYWeQWxE

and finally...what appears to be th emother of all cheap shot recaps...I should have found this one first as I think it shows every one of the cheap shots we discussed including the Tony Granato one...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 24, 2007, 02:15:05 AM
First California born native was drafted to the NHL yesterday.  He's from the same town where I live in Orange County.

He was about one year ahead of my oldest son. They all started in the early 90s around the time that Gretzky came to the Kings.

Think that trade will continue to have far reaching effects?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 28, 2007, 05:00:36 PM
Ron Francis in the HOF -- Yippeeee!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on July 01, 2007, 11:20:41 PM
Not a good day to be a Sabres fan.First they lose Briere to the Flyers and now Chris Drury to the hated Rangers.Can't wait to hear the response from the Buffalo Writers and Fans.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on July 01, 2007, 11:36:31 PM
Tough day indeed for the Sabres, and the Devils as well -- talk about gutted.  I'll be interested to see where Ryan Smyth ends up; since Edmonton has stocked up on some players, maybe he won't end up back there, as has been surmised by some experts since the day he went to the Islanders. Lang is available, might have a couple miles left, and is said to come cheap -- so maybe he'll plug a hole somewhere. 

Sometimes I enjoy this time of year more than the regular season because it's filled with possibilities rather than ugly reality.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 10, 2007, 11:05:02 AM
What's up with the Hockeytown defection to Anaheim?

I just hope Selanne and  Niedermeyer  come back next year - can anyone say "repeat?"

All others are in I believe - they they say they will probably trade the backup goalie  Bryzgolov this year.  I was worried when they said that about Stalenkov - but that worked out ok...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on July 10, 2007, 11:55:01 AM
The prevailing belief, as I hear it anyway, is that Schneider from Detroit was insurance in case Neidermeyer retires.  I keep hearing that a retirement announcement is coming soon, but it hasn't happened yet, so maybe you'll get that wish.    In the same vein, acquiring Bertuzzi was likely insurance in case Selanne doesn't come back -- is he old enough to consider retiring, with his knees and all?  Or is he looking to go somewhere else? 

And I'm sorry but I am compelled to say:  Just because the Red Wings want to call themselves Hockeytown and the dorks that be in the NHL allow it, doesn't make Detroit Hockeytown.  Sorry, couldn't help it, had to vent.

A number of teams were gutted July 1 -- NJ Devils, NY Islanders, and Buffalo got a lot of attention for losing key players (Gomez, Rafalski for NJ; Blake, Smyth, Kozlov for NYI; Drury, Briere, Zubrus for Sabres). But a couple of biggies slipped quietly out of Ottawa, too (Comrie, Priessing).  So it could be an interesting year all around.  Actually, I was surprised at the mass defection from Buffalo -- you can hold the "have you ever been to Buffalo?" jokes, thank you.

And where the heck is Sheldon Souray, anyway???


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 11, 2007, 06:45:32 PM
You are correct on both acquisitions as to intent.  I just was amused that they both came from Detroit.

As far as Hockeytown moniker -- they didn't even sell out all their playoff games this year!  It's a shame that I can't type the special inflection I am thinking when I type Hockeytown here!!!   I am definitely using the name in vain...

Selanne says he will only play in Anaheim if he plays again.   He had to work so hard for a full 12 months last year that I think he's just deciding whether he wants to go through that again.  He always said he wants to go out on top.   I think the question is, does he think they can pull off a repeat?  That would be "more" on top  than just one ... right?

Niedermeyer apparently told the coach that he is seriously considering retiring.  Then within days he told the media he is NOT seriously considering retiring...go figure...



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on September 09, 2007, 04:34:27 PM
Trojan - any idea whether Selanne and Niedermeyer will play this year?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on September 12, 2007, 03:27:27 AM
Thank God hockey is near.Here's a good bar question.What NHL team only won 1 game in a season ,played six games total before their arena burned down and then disbanded?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on September 13, 2007, 09:59:05 PM
Montreal, way way back when, before the Habs?

And Niedermeyer is suspended for not showing up at camp, so he's not officially reitred yet.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on September 13, 2007, 11:37:51 PM
Right you are.It was the 1917-1918 aptly named Montreal Wanderers.I was looking at some of the old season records the other night and in a 44 game season in 1926-27 The Montreal Maroons managed to get 716 PIMinutes while the Pittsburgh Pirates only racked up 230.That's quite a difference.Both were middle of the pack seperated by ten points the Maroons having more at seasons end.Talk about Fighting in Hockey.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on September 20, 2007, 12:18:13 AM
I see the outdoor New Years Day game in Buffalo vs Pittsburgh sold out 40,000 tickets in a few hours.The other 30,000 go to Sabres season ticket holders and Buffalo Bills suite owners,the NHL and NHL teams meaning a heck of a lot of hungover folks will be whooping it up.I was reading the story on a Rochester cable news site last night and the guy who wrote the storys name was Bill Pucko.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on September 20, 2007, 09:39:34 AM
I see the outdoor New Years Day game in Buffalo vs Pittsburgh sold out 40,000 tickets in a few hours.The other 30,000 go to Sabres season ticket holders and Buffalo Bills suite owners,the NHL and NHL teams meaning a heck of a lot of hungover folks will be whooping it up.I was reading the story on a Rochester cable news site last night and the guy who wrote the storys name was Bill Pucko.

Is it me being picky, or could they have picked a better day to do this game?  I mean, I thought they might plan to televise it, make it like Hockey Day in Canada.  But on New Year's Day, every frickin' TV in the United States (except mine) is going to be tuned to college football.  I swear, the geniuses at the NHL -- yes, Buttmunch that means you -- are trying to run the league into the ground.

And in international news....Krysztof Oliwa is in big trouble at home, where he beat up his girlfriend rather badly.  Facing jail time, etc. if I understand correctly.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on September 29, 2007, 11:22:10 PM
Went to the Devils-Islanders exhibition game tonight.  Game was okay (Devils, 2-1), but the best part was, regular season hockey is almost here.  (Though I guess technically, the season's already started, with the Kings-Ducks game in the UK.)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 17, 2007, 02:01:01 PM
Hottest teams in Sports History. Only mentions one hockey team:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/multimedia/photo_gallery/0710/hottest.teams.in.history/content.1.html

Hint: Not the Dweebils, Ringers, or Icelanders.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2007, 02:04:34 PM
Soviet (CCCP) National Team?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 18, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
Soviet (CCCP) National Team?

Hint: Bobby Clarke, the most influential hockey player of the 1970's, played for them.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 18, 2007, 08:10:58 PM
Trojan - any idea whether Selanne and Niedermeyer will play this year?

Geez where have I been?   I forgot Hockey was even a topic...

I'm actually really baffled by that one.  Going out on top is a strong motivator I guess... But with the two of them they would have had a realy good chance at a repeat. 

I haven't paid attention lately but even a few weeks back they were sort of leaving the doors open for both these guys...which I also find odd.

I've been sort of busy at work.  I'll look into it and let you know if there is any more to it...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 18, 2007, 08:19:07 PM
Flyers are the only "hot" hockey team?

what was the thinking behind that one?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2007, 07:37:51 AM
Soviet (CCCP) National Team?

Hint: Bobby Clarke, the most influential hockey player of the 1970's, played for them.

I'm was pretty sure its was Borscht St. Bubbies-they had a pretty good run from 1964-1976

those '70s Flyers were very good, and while Clarke may have been the most influential player of the '70's, and was a great player, my parochial tastes recall another hockey-playing Bobby who's too-short career extended into the mid-70s.  And parochial tastes aside, he was among the small handful of players who are considered the greatest hockery players of all-time.

Ham-no lie, he was spectacular, a revolutionary defenseman, who could and did regularly control a game when he was on the ice.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 19, 2007, 11:37:55 AM
Bruins were my first favorite NHL team...

I wandered without a home for many years mostly just watching all the playoff games, until Gretzky landed in LA.  Then Eisner in all his Hubris, er I mean, humble wisdom, decided to start a hockey team...and the rest is history...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 23, 2007, 11:37:09 AM
Soviet (CCCP) National Team?

Hint: Bobby Clarke, the most influential hockey player of the 1970's, played for them.

I'm was pretty sure its was Borscht St. Bubbies-they had a pretty good run from 1964-1976

those '70s Flyers were very good, and while Clarke may have been the most influential player of the '70's, and was a great player, my parochial tastes recall another hockey-playing Bobby who's too-short career extended into the mid-70s.  And parochial tastes aside, he was among the small handful of players who are considered the greatest hockery players of all-time.

Ham-no lie, he was spectacular, a revolutionary defenseman, who could and did regularly control a game when he was on the ice.



ORR was phenomenal, but he played in a city where hockey was already on terra firma. He was great in a Sandy Koufax kind of way...Roman candle greatness like his is not the same as a team leader who established one of hockey's most venerable franchises while he willed his team to those great Cups of yesteryear.

If I am starting a franchise, I take Bobby Clarke over Bobby Orr, because he makes everyone else on the team play better with him on the team. Orr was good at taking over a game, and his teammates enjoyed watching him. Quite a difference.



As for today's Flyers:

Let’s go Flyers! And lets Go Marty Biron!

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20071023_Flyers_Biron_earns_star_status.html

 


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 23, 2007, 11:40:52 AM

ORR was phenomenal, but he played in a city where hockey was already on terra firma. He was great in a Sandy Koufax kind of way...
 

This is why I like hanging out with all you guys.  This comparison to Sandy Koufax was marvelous - I would have never thought about it like that, yet as soon as I read it, I knew exactly what you were saying.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 23, 2007, 11:42:34 AM
Thanks, horse


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2007, 11:57:23 AM
Ham-you're point about Clarke's impact on Philly's new entry into the the NHL is fine, and probably akin to Gretsky's impact in LA, but Orr was the superior player. And his greatness was shortened by injury like Koufax, but he certainly logged enough great years to be firmly sitting with the small handful of NHL players in the pantheon of greatness.

IMO you got Howe, Orr, Richard, and Gretsky. That's where the seating chart starts.

Never before had a defenseman controlled both ends of the ice. IIRC he had the greatest plus # in the game (goals for- minus- goals against). And if his team-mates stoodby and watched him, (which they didn't) they would have missed his pin-point pass and the chance to score.

He, like Clarke, made this team-mates far better players.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 23, 2007, 12:51:58 PM
Ham-you're point about Clarke's impact on Philly's new entry into the the NHL is fine, and probably akin to Gretsky's impact in LA, but Orr was the superior player. And his greatness was shortened by injury like Koufax, but he certainly logged enough great years to be firmly sitting with the small handful of NHL players in the pantheon of greatness.

IMO you got Howe, Orr, Richard, and Gretsky. That's where the seating chart starts.

Never before had a defenseman controlled both ends of the ice. IIRC he had the greatest plus # in the game (goals for- minus- goals against). And if his team-mates stoodby and watched him, (which they didn't) they would have missed his pin-point pass and the chance to score.

He, like Clarke, made this team-mates far better players.



Some people think Orr ruined the team aspect of the sport, and made it more about individual performances. Some are very adamant about it, to the point where they want him removed from the Hall of Fame. You can see for yourself, the arguments against Orr, here:

http://www.nomoreorr.com/ruined.html


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2007, 01:01:13 PM
Ham-that website is hysterical-where did you find it, or how did you find the time to write it?

heh

the author's argument would be akin to saying,, " Babe Ruth was bad for baseball because he was so vastly superior to those who he played with."


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 23, 2007, 01:04:36 PM
Ham-that website is hysterical-where did you find it, or how did you find the time to write it?

heh

the author's argument would be akin to saying,, " Babe Ruth was bad for baseball because he was so vastly superior to those who he played with."

Yeah, I think it's gotta be from someone who never saw the NHL back in the days of Peter Puck, and has learned the game from highlights on ESPN2.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 23, 2007, 02:10:58 PM
I'm presuming that the no more orr website is a joke?   Or someone has a serious personal grudge and should consider counseling.

As a defensman, Orr was one of my heros.  I wasn't prone to playing as an individual, forsaking the team...

Sandy Koufax is still one of favorite pitchers also...but then he's about as humble a guy as you could want to see...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 23, 2007, 02:27:58 PM
I'm presuming that the no more orr website is a joke?   Or someone has a serious personal grudge and should consider counseling.

As a defensman, Orr was one of my heros.  I wasn't prone to playing as an individual, forsaking the team...

Sandy Koufax is still one of favorite pitchers also...but then he's about as humble a guy as you could want to see...

I think it may be a bit of a joke, but my favorite part of the website was this:

http://www.nomoreorr.com/2007/03/happy-belated-birthday-bobby.html

Personally, I favored the Ed Van Impe style of defense. Worked against the Russians. Steady Eddie.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 23, 2007, 04:26:47 PM
I liked the post:


Anyone can score a goal and then jump into the air!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 24, 2007, 07:28:37 PM
I watched a program on the making of the Ducks Championship rings the other day.

Samueli has the makings of an incredibly good owner...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 27, 2007, 08:09:22 PM
LET'S GO, FLYERS!!!

wHAT A HIT!!!

http://www6.comcast.net/sports/articles/general/2007/10/27/HKN.Flyers.Bruins/


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 01, 2007, 10:53:47 AM
Biron playing a bit over his head, eh?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: Urethra_Franklin on November 01, 2007, 12:20:50 PM
Who will win the Stanley Cup?


St. Louis Blues.   


I attended the Blues Caps game last Saturday.  I can never bring myself to watch hockey on TV (not that it's ever on), but being at the game is such a different experience.









LET'S GO BLUES!



Kariya is the shit!


(http://www.metronews.ca/xmlFiles/CPNews/h102401A.jpg)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 01, 2007, 03:42:01 PM
Yes, We all enjoyed Kariya when he was in Anaheim.  He was of course our first high profile draft pick and the fans loved him despite his continually showing that he was only in it for the money and continually displaying no loyalty to the team. 

After he left in what felt like a betrayal move,  they pretty much boo him whenever he touches the puck now.  Whereas even when Selanne was with San Jose or Denver, the fans still gave him rousing ovations.  Result?  Selanne comes back and collects a Stanley Cup Trophy.

I started to like him less after he was only there 3-4 years as it was pretty obvious to me.  Although I actually did gain a litle respect for him during Game 6 of the stanley cup finals (I think it was the Devils).  I never saw him show as much heart before (or since).


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 01, 2007, 04:01:45 PM
Biron playing a bit over his head, eh?

Riiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhtttttttttt...


OY!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on November 03, 2007, 11:33:00 AM
IMO you got Howe, Orr, Richard, and Gretsky. That's where the seating chart starts.


Bankshot - sorry to join the conversation late, but a list without Lemiuex is incomplete. If not for cancer/injuries, he might have made a run at Gretzky's totals. If he had played in a bigger market and if he had been anglophone, he would have been viewed just a bit differently...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 03, 2007, 11:53:25 AM
Biron playing a bit over his head, eh?

Riiiiiiiigggggggghhhhhhhtttttttttt...


OY!

So he'll be at .948 all season?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 03, 2007, 12:43:37 PM

Bankshot - sorry to join the conversation late, but a list without Lemiuex is incomplete. If not for cancer/injuries, he might have made a run at Gretzky's totals. If he had played in a bigger market and if he had been anglophone, he would have been viewed just a bit differently...

I think from a pure talent perspective he was right there.  What hurt him more than not being from a major market was being #2 of the new breed.  Edmonton is hardly a major market.  Mario just didn't seem to break any new ground and I think that is the difference -- am I wrong?

Also are you saying he didn't speak English--or just that it wasn't his first language?   Maurice Richard is still seen as perhaps the best pure player by many and he was a frenchie...so I'm not sure that works either...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2007, 04:39:36 PM
Look UP, Ham:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/standings;_ylt=Anc4tRzSmqPbGOxL7ERcH2V7vLYF

LOL

(though Marty did look good in the last loss)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 07, 2007, 10:21:39 PM
Ottowa is looking good.  Anaheim started out hot at the beginning of last year then went into a bit of a slump during the middle of the season--but then pulled it out.

I think it would be nice for a Canadian team to win the cup for a change.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on November 11, 2007, 02:40:51 AM
My nephew sent me a link for the Buffalo-Pittsburgh outdoor game that says the Pens are going to wear the 1968 baby blue uniforms and the Sabres are going to wear the original Sabres "French Connection" outfits.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 13, 2007, 10:20:14 PM
Kings v Ducks tonight.

Since one FSN regional has Kings games and the other  has Ducks games, they decided to try something new tonight.  Ons station has regular coverage and the other has all ice level camera angels and "no announcers."   Very much more like being at the game and you actually have to pay attention to the game since you don't have anyone breaking it down for you...


Title: Trojan Horse
Post by: thebizneverloses on November 15, 2007, 08:54:06 AM
How was the broadcast of the Kings-Ducks game?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: lennynyr on November 29, 2007, 12:33:03 PM
Here's an unflattering article about our incompetent commissioner:

Everyone has a favorite conspiracy theory about the NBA. Some like the idea that David Stern fixed the 1984 draft lottery. Others favor his supposed secret suspension of a star player for gambling problems.
Mine dates back to the early 1990s, when the NHL was white hot with fans and never better on the ice. Wayne Gretzky was in Los Angeles. Mark Messier was with the New York Rangers, who were on the verge of ending their Stanley Cup drought. Mario Lemieux, Steve Yzerman, Ray Bourque, Patrick Roy and many others were hitting their prime.
Anyone who doesn't think hockey can work in America is forgetting this era. All of a sudden, hockey was challenging, if not beating, the NBA in a number of major U.S. markets – including New York. It's almost impossible to imagine now, but it happened.
As the conspiracy theory goes, Stern sensed the potential trouble in 1993 while the NHL was in search of a new commissioner. So he looked around his own office for someone so incompetent that if they got the job, the NHL would be marginalized by their mismanagement and never again be a threat to the NBA.
Naturally, Stern recommended one of his assistants, Gary Bettman, for the job.

True story or not, it worked.
Bettman is set to begin his 15th year as commissioner Thursday, and like most hockey fans I feel the need to mark the occasion by popping a bottle of champagne, chugging the entire thing in an effort to drown my misery and then smashing the empty bottle over my temple to black out the memories.
There has never been a commissioner of a major North American sports league this inept, yet the league's board of governors keeps employing him, keeps giving him another chance to sink this once-proud, once-vibrant league to new depths.
Bettman is on a 14-year run of bad ideas. His latest was a classic, moving the league's all-star game, which featured attention-grabbing young megastars, to midweek on the Versus Network – as opposed to NBC on a weekend. He claimed it would allow Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin to own the sports landscape, unlike some crowded weekend.
The result was a catastrophic 0.7 rating. That's a meager 474,298 households in the States that bothered to watch, down 76 percent from the last all-star game.
It is par for a season which has seen TV numbers plummet in both the U.S. and Canada (down 20 percent by some reports), attendance drop and media coverage dwindle.
Hockey fans would laugh if we weren't crying. We'd figure it would be the last straw that would lead to his dismissal, but at this stage, we know he's never going away. For those of us who grew up loving and living this sport and this league, all of us who cared about the NHL long before Bettman's slow, steady suicidal stewardship of it, it's just the latest in a recurring nightmare.
The Bettman era has been an unmitigated disaster for the league in virtually every possible way, one outrageously terrible initiative after another.
I could write a book about Bettman's insulting and imbecilic moves through the years (Chapter 9: "The Glowing Puck") but the main problem has always been the same. He has shown no respect for the game, for its history, for its fans, for its unique qualities.
Bettman might consider himself an astute sports marketer, but in practice he is arguably the worst of all time. He has never figured out how to change his marketing plans to fit the product of hockey. Instead, he changed the product to fit his marketing plans.
The league is now overexpanded and overpriced, misplaced and misdirected. It is less exciting, less interesting, less traditional and more difficult to follow for the non-obsessive fan.
Yes, hockey fans remain. I'm one of them. But even we can't believe what has happened here. It is bad enough a desperate, ill-advised grab of supposed "new, emerging markets" have come at the expense of the old fan base. It's dispiriting that the league chased the fickle corporate dollar and priced out families. But what's worse is it just keeps going and going, Bettman on the job for life.
Under Bettman's watch, the NHL's improvements are few. Certainly new technologies such as the "Center Ice" package and the Internet have been great. And there are far more highly skilled players than in 1993, thanks to the influx of talent from Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union.
Of course, Bettman had nothing to do with these things occurring.
The elimination of the red line and the crackdown on obstruction are positives. Some will argue that shootouts to decide regular-season games and the severe curbing of fighting are positives, but that's a matter of personal preference.
While some hail the salary cap that allows across-the-board competitiveness, I think it suppresses the kind of elite play that makes the game great. Hockey is the ultimate team pursuit – the need for timing and teamwork is paramount. The individual star is utterly worthless without strong teammates.
The great player needs other great players to be great. In the mid-1980s, Gretzky needed Messier, Paul Coffey, Glenn Anderson, Jari Kurri and others to maximize his abilities and thrill fans. A salary cap prevents talent from flocking together like that, so we get economic viability of the Atlanta Thrashers in exchange for breathtaking teams such as the Edmonton Oilers of 1980s or the Detroit Red Wings of the late 1990s.
The negatives are too numerous to list, but consider the league's current uneven schedule which serves no purpose other than cutting travel costs for a few cheapskate owners. Teams play eight games per season against division foes, or 32 a year against just four teams.
Bettman claimed it would spawn "new" rivalries. Of course, old rivalries such as Detroit-Toronto – two hockey-mad towns separated by a single highway that actually has an exit for Wayne Gretzky Blvd. – no longer play a home-and-home series each season. It's like killing Red Sox-Yankees so Blue Jays-Diamondbacks might catch on.
And, since fighting has been curbed, the "new" rivalries haven't really taken because a hockey rivalry without fighting is like non-alcoholic beer.
Plus, not everyone gets to see young superstars such as Pittsburgh's Crosby or Washington's Ovechkin.
Last week, 22 franchises tried to bring the old schedule back, but eight blocked the move in a vote while Bettman, predictably, did little lobbying on behalf of the majority opinion.
This is Bettman's NHL. Fourteen years, four bankruptcies, three franchise moves, two lockouts, one lost season and no effective leadership. The business is so sick that the Pittsburgh Penguins, despite a loyal fan base and the most promising talent since Gretzky, are 50-50 to move to that noted hockey hotbed of Kansas City.
Bettman has his apologists who point out that he beat former NHLPA head Bob Goodenow during the last lockout and got a salary cap installed.
Which is true, except it cost the NHL an entire season and an incalculable number of fans. And the proposed cap for next season is already creeping close to the average pre-lockout team salary. Wasn't the new deal only needed because the old deal was so bad? And who negotiated that one for the NHL in 1994? Oh yes, Gary Bettman, who locked the players out and killed all momentum from the Rangers' Stanley Cup championship to get that ill-fated deal done.
Lord knows what is next. Lord knows how he can make it worse. Lord knows what prior screwups he'll try to solve now with fresh screwups.
You'd think a 0.7 was rock bottom, but then again, this is someone who surveyed the burning wreckage of the NHL and decided that what would really turn things around this time were sleek new uniforms from Reebok, which were trotted out last week.
"This is an evolution of our uniform," Bettman proudly crowed.
Of course, already fans who are carrying even a few extra pounds report that they look ridiculous in the new form fitting jerseys, which has led to predictions of plummeting apparel sales and jokes about how Bettman hatched the idea after watching George Costanza comically change the New York Yankees' uniforms to cotton.
"This is a Seinfeld episode, isn't it?" wrote one fan on the San Jose Mercury News' hockey blog.
Yes, David Stern's bizarro world, now entering its 15th year and counting.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 29, 2007, 09:39:29 PM
No question hockey has declined in popularity since the early 90s.  I didn't really associate it with Bettman..but I can't deny the power of your story...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on December 03, 2007, 12:00:02 PM
Ouch. That's a pretty damning appraisal of Bettman's tenure.

By the way, I have to disagree with the cap argument. The Oilers team actually broke-up because of a self-imposed cap, with the disintegration of the most amazing collection of talent of the past 50 years beginning with the Coffey-to-Pittsburgh deal. Without a cap, most of the remaining Canadian franchises would have folded, further damaging the league's soul.

When Bettman started, he conceded he was not a hockey fan. Wonder if he is now?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: lennynyr on December 03, 2007, 02:30:29 PM
When Bettman started, he conceded he was not a hockey fan. Wonder if he is now?

Can you use profanity on here??   ;D


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on December 03, 2007, 09:28:22 PM
When Bettman started, he conceded he was not a hockey fan. Wonder if he is now?

Can you use profanity on here??   ;D

It's not encouraged, and it's not necessarily out of bounds---as long as you're not directing it at another poster, you're ok.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on December 03, 2007, 09:30:36 PM
Colin Campbell is wrecking hockey. He doesn't want it to return to its glory days of profit and higher ratings. He wants the friggin' Ice Capades with Euro-hockey dominating.

And he continues to have a bug up his ass regarding the Flyers:


http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3139926

Didn't think you could target an entire franchise for discipline, based on the actions of individual players.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on December 05, 2007, 10:17:34 PM
I see The Animal House star is returning to The Ducks. 8)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on December 06, 2007, 08:58:25 AM
I see The Animal House star is returning to The Ducks. 8)

Yeah Baby...Scott Niedermeyer did announce he will return.  Can Teemu be far behind?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on December 06, 2007, 09:00:01 AM
On the other hand, one might wonder how long it will take him to return to his former playing condition. 

Oh, probably in time for the playoffs, anyway!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on December 07, 2007, 07:45:05 PM
After 29 seasons the Sabres are severing ties with the AHL Rochester Americans at the end of the year.This means the Amerks probably hook up with the Panthers who the Amerks already provide some players to.It all looked good a couple of years ago when Rochester native Tom Golisano bought the Sabres from the cable company mess and since he lives in Rochester it looked like a perfect marriage but the Sabres and the city of Rochester are concerned about the financial picture of the Amerks who are in a fight with the city over money issues.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on December 07, 2007, 10:18:26 PM
In talking to friends in Rochester tonight part of the problem also is that Golisano has tried twice to buy the Amerks and the current ownership has refused to sell even though the city of Rochester claims they owe them 1.2 million.Since Golisano is a billionaire that's  chump change.I just hope the Amerks survive this.They have been in the AHL in Rochester since the mid 50's and I went to quite a few games when I lived there.An AHL game is a lot of fun as most of the venues are smaller and the crowds closer.I even had an idiot friend jump into the penalty box to try and fight Gilles Lupien  a thug defenseman from Nova Scotia back in the 70's when Nova Scotia was Montreal's AHL team and the two teams had a series of "incidents".The AHL back then was closer to "Slapshot" than the cleaner game of today.Lot of fun.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: lennynyr on December 08, 2007, 10:29:19 AM
Love the new NHL Hockey Network, (215 on DirecTV).  Besides summaries and commentary on all the games, they show some NHL games in full plus AHL games so you can see your favorite team's AHL affiliate and watch the prospects that might be on your team soon.

Depending on package you got, don't have to have the Center Ice Package either.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: madupont on December 08, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
Listen Up!  Microsoft has just discovered what a friend phoned to tell me their Computer Tech  has put up bulletins throughout their workplace that a New Virus gets into your e-mail and then sends you an e-mail which tells you that A FAMILY MEMBER IS TRYING TO CONTACT YOU

DO NOT OPEN.  IT WILL TURN OFF YOUR COMPUTER. WHEN YOU START YOUR COMPUTER AGAIN, IT WILL DESTROY YOUR HARD DRIVE


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on December 11, 2007, 01:20:22 AM
The monday NYTimes had an interesting story on Wayne Gretzky coaching Phoenix.It brought to mind my college years when we awarded a "Ray Maluta" pink purse woman of the year award in the NHL.Maluta was an Amerks player who sometimes shied away from contact in the rock em sock em style of the AHL in those days hence our"Hit em with your purse Maluta" chant at Amerk Games.Gretzky won our award several times.I don't know what happened to the pink purse.I lost it somewhere along the way.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on December 14, 2007, 03:32:38 PM
Great pink purse story.  We used to yell stuff like "Don't rip your skirt, ______" to certain players, but I think the purse line is more effective.  Of course, my favorite line was reserved for the refs -- the timeless, always appropriate "C'mon, ref, bend over and use your good eye."


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on January 01, 2008, 08:18:53 PM
The outdoor game today in Buffalo was really cool.It was great to see all those fans and the big snow flakes that started falling made it very special.I hope the NHL does a few more of these games.Montreal,Ottawa or Toronto would go nuts over one.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on January 01, 2008, 09:50:57 PM
The outdoor game today in Buffalo was really cool.It was great to see all those fans and the big snow flakes that started falling made it very special.I hope the NHL does a few more of these games.Montreal,Ottawa or Toronto would go nuts over one.


It was novel, but they have to find a way to market other players besides Sydney "Big Nose" Crosby.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on January 12, 2008, 11:18:44 AM
The outdoor game today in Buffalo was really cool.It was great to see all those fans and the big snow flakes that started falling made it very special.I hope the NHL does a few more of these games.Montreal,Ottawa or Toronto would go nuts over one.

So would Chicago, Detroit, and Minnesota. Also, you think you couldn't put a decent number of people in Giants Stadium for a game?

Important thing is to not do it every year and to keep the novelty.

Credit the NHL for choosing Buffalo and realising they will always be a niche market in the US.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on January 13, 2008, 01:29:44 AM
The Boston Globe had an article on Fenway as a future site.My nephew a Chic fan said he would pay big bucks to see a game at Wrigley.I just mentioned the Canadian teams cause of the long time passion.Any of the Original Six would be great.Did you know the Soviet leagues played outdoors for years as there wern't many indoor places to play.Think of those winter temps.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on January 18, 2008, 03:27:03 PM
Ok, I guess it's time for my annual conversion from College football to Ice Hockey...

and just in time, as the Ducks have taken back first place in the West for the first time this season--one point ahead of both Dallas and San Jose.

Since Scott Niedermeyer's return they are something like 10-2-2  and have now won five in a row. 

For the season they do not look as srtrong as Detroit or even Ottawa, but they are playing as well as anyone right now.  Pronger was injured last night and I haven't yet heard how serious it is--but it doesn't sound too bad.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on January 18, 2008, 03:30:29 PM
12 round shootout last night between Washington and Edmonton.

Apparently Matt Bradley (who has only scored two goals all season) just decided on his own to go out and take a try. He supposedly told the coach--as he jumped over the board--put me in, I'm going to score.  ...and then he did.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on January 19, 2008, 12:22:49 AM
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Pronger was injured last night and I haven't yet heard how serious it is--but it doesn't sound too bad.

Pronger bruised a knee blocking a shot, but it didn't look like it bothered him much tonight. 


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: TrojanHorse on January 19, 2008, 11:24:38 AM
yes, I saw he was already back.   Ducks won again and actually appear to making progress against the Ottawa season points total now...


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on January 22, 2008, 08:52:57 PM
Let's go, Flyers!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on January 23, 2008, 12:47:48 AM
Utley ,my nephew played on a club team here in So. Cal with Mel Bridgman's son.My brother (Rangers Fan)and he are pretty good friends and for a Flyer he's a nice guy.I still haven't asked him about any to-do's with Stan Jonathan back in the day.Mel was working for Paine Webber but last I heard he's become an agent.A few years ago I gave my brother this really cool history of the Calif Seals(we both had tickets in 75 in Berkeley) and Mel was really up about the book.He wanted to do something like that on the Flyers but that's the last I heard of it.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on January 23, 2008, 10:27:53 PM
Utley ,my nephew played on a club team here in So. Cal with Mel Bridgman's son.My brother (Rangers Fan)and he are pretty good friends and for a Flyer he's a nice guy.I still haven't asked him about any to-do's with Stan Jonathan back in the day.Mel was working for Paine Webber but last I heard he's become an agent.A few years ago I gave my brother this really cool history of the Calif Seals(we both had tickets in 75 in Berkeley) and Mel was really up about the book.He wanted to do something like that on the Flyers but that's the last I heard of it.

Cool.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on January 28, 2008, 11:12:11 PM
Looks like Teemu is coming back to the Ducks.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on January 29, 2008, 11:04:40 PM
Let's go Flyers!

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/flyers/


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on February 11, 2008, 10:09:06 PM
I see a couple of the Habs got in trouble in Tampa at a nightclub.One accused of stealing a womans purse.So players do read this forum. :D


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on February 12, 2008, 03:45:13 PM
I see a couple of the Habs got in trouble in Tampa at a nightclub.One accused of stealing a womans purse.So players do read this forum. :D

Do they pay them enough in Boston?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: JakeJoliet on February 18, 2008, 05:03:28 PM
Interesting to note that the Islanders section of this old time New York Times blog has exactly zero postings.

Ahh, how the mighty have fallen.   I remember how huge the Islanders were in the seventies and early eighties, when I was just a kid on Lawn Guyland.   They were like the Pittsburgh Steelers (or ugh, Dallas Crackboys) of professional hockey... but now look at them, they might as well be the Jets (another infrequently visited forum, I might add).

No "second acts" for those bozos, I guess.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on February 19, 2008, 11:23:42 AM
I think the dip in stature and interest is not limited to the Islanders, but is common throughout the NHL (except for the six Canadian teams, Detroit and maybe a couple other franchises). Two strikes in ten years (one crippling), dilution of talent, poor decisions regarding tv contracts, and, most damning, a myopic approach towards expansion/relocation. The destiny of the NHL should be fewer franchises, with more in the north and in Canada (e.g. Nashville and Florida and Carolina really need to be disbanded or to move to Hamilton and Winnipeg and Hartford)


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on February 19, 2008, 11:38:29 AM
Another reason for the slow hockey activity here is that the NYR and NJD forums quit the NY Times even before the Times started to shut things down. Fed up with the down time and language restrictions -- but mostly the down time -- each forum set up shop in another location.  Both of them are pretty active. 

That last strike wasn't a strike, it was a lockout by the owners.  As for this thought -
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The destiny of the NHL should be fewer franchises, with more in the north and in Canada (e.g. Nashville and Florida and Carolina really need to be disbanded or to move to Hamilton and Winnipeg and Hartford)
- I could not agree more. 


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on February 19, 2008, 06:29:15 PM
Somewhere in the past few weeks I read a story just about that.It was about how the NHL'S Southern Strategy had failed and that some of these teams needed to be relocated especially north of the Border.Given the weakness of the dollar the teams north of the border are in much better shape than years ago when the Jets,Nordiques relocated to the U.S..


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on February 19, 2008, 06:53:42 PM
Well, look at the guy who wanted to move the Predators to Hamilton, ONT.  He put out the word of his intent to buy the team and move it, and the season ticket deposits started pouring in. The guy didn't even have a team yet, and people were ready to buy.  That type of enthusiasm isn't exactly happening in Raleigh, Nashville, Phoenix, etc.

This guy -
 On May 23, 2007, Craig Leipold was reported to have reached a tentative agreement to sell the team to the Chairman and Co-CEO of Research In Motion, Jim Balsillie.[1] At the time, Leipold indicated that the team would play the 2007-08 season in Nashville but that the future of the team after that was not clear.[2] Balsillie had long been rumored to be interested in placing another team in Southern Ontario. The deal was expected to be finalized by late-June and had to be finished by June 30, 2007.[3] The proposed re-location site was Hamilton, Ontario, with Balsillie's new company, Golden Horseshoe Sports & Entertainment (named after the portion of Southern Ontario centred around the west-end of Lake Ontario, which is known as the Golden Horseshoe), securing exclusive rights to bring an NHL team to Copps Coliseum, as well as the rights to operate Hamilton Place, the Hamilton Convention Centre, and the associated parking facilities for the next 20 years.[4][5] Hamilton Mayor Fred Eisenberger stated that Balsillie's intention was to bring an NHL team to Copps in Hamilton,[6] and it was reported that Basillie would invest $140 million into the arena to bring it to modern NHL standards.[7] Relocating to Hamilton, however, may have required compensation to be offered to the Toronto Maple Leafs and Buffalo Sabres as those teams have territorial rights to the region. Despite rumors to the contrary, it was reported that Kitchener-Waterloo was not being considered as a possible location for the team.[8][9]

On June 13, it was announced that season ticket deposits for the "Hamilton Predators" would begin to go on sale through Ticketmaster the next day. A source said Balsillie's objective was to show the league's governors that there is a large base of ticket buyers in Southern Ontario.[10][11] After the drive started, over 13,000 season ticket deposits were sold, including all of the 70 available corporate box deposits, costing $5000 each.[12][13] At the time, there were just under 9,000 season ticket holders in Nashville.[14]


From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashville_Predators#Tentative_sale_agreement_and_possible_relocation


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on February 20, 2008, 12:01:12 AM
Speaking of North of the Border.The Habs spot the Rangers 5 goals tonight then come back and win 6-5 in OT.Biggest comeback in Habs History.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on February 20, 2008, 04:12:24 PM
I don't think the average fan gives a crap about the labor issues.

They just want to see hockey.

The rule changes took away the fighting and the close-checking with guys whose names North Americans could pronounce and spell and replaced it with end-to-end skating, little checking, shoot-outs in which you get points for losing a game, and players who few can recognize or relate to...

Bring back the hockey of Freddy Shero, and the fans will return.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on February 27, 2008, 08:10:15 AM
So I hear there were some trades....


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on February 27, 2008, 11:49:02 AM
Screw Peter Forsberg!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 09, 2008, 11:26:41 AM
Let's go, Flyers!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on April 09, 2008, 06:53:05 PM
Sharks over Pens is my call


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on April 09, 2008, 09:26:00 PM
I was thinking Habs/Sharks or remotely possibly Anaheim. Though in my dreams, Caps all the way; they're fun to watch.  Boston's kids (Lucic, Krecji) are good, but I don't think the team has a full run in it's tank.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 09, 2008, 09:45:00 PM
What is it with the Rangers seenming to own the Devils.No other team seems to have that mojo over them and the Rangers are far  from being an elite NHL club.The Bruins drawing Montreal first round is just a cruel joke.Any other team but them.The long bitter history between the two though makes for good storylines.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 11, 2008, 12:58:18 AM
Big upset tonight in Frozen Four as Notre Dame upsets top ranked Mich in OT 5-4, and Boston College also in the title game 3rd straight year with a 6-1 stomping of North Dakota.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 11, 2008, 03:36:12 AM
Friday will be day 3  of the NHL playoffs and while Phil-Wash are the only teams not to play the first two nights San Jose-Calgary have already played two games.Who makes the playoff dates up?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on April 11, 2008, 01:02:48 PM
We flipped in when BC was up 6-0 -- top of the third, I think? -- so I'm glad the Fightin' Sioux scored something.

We were wondering about the schedulling too, because we still live for the old days of alternate day playoff games (and the Adams and (Chuck) Norris divisions, too, but that's another subject for grousing). However, with the San Jose/Calgary setup, it looks like the league might have had some consideration for the travel between the two cities (1500 or so miles apart).   That is, knock off two quick games and take an extra travel day -- players don't have to run for the plane and get all stiff, etc.  That being said, I'm sure it's purely accidental or done for TV reasons, because the league is all about the money and not much about the players' welfare. IMHO, anyway.

Why Philly gets such a long break to rest up, I can't figure out.  I hope it works to their detriment, though.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on April 11, 2008, 01:04:53 PM
And oh yeah -- what is that Don Cherry's wearing?



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 11, 2008, 03:30:48 PM
Even with the larger  picture it's hard to tell.It's over the top though even for him. :D


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 12, 2008, 11:39:20 PM
I got to see the Boston-Montreal game tonight and wished I hadn't.The Bruins are at a big disadvantage already and after watching tonights game it almost seems like the NHL has decided the outcome.As soon as Boston tied it with about ten minutes left three penalties were called on the Bruins down the stretch, two of dubious merit but none on Montreal despite physical play on both sides and then another in overtime that cost Boston the game.Add to that the Habs fans are the most arrogant aholes in all of hockey and it's pretty much a lost cause.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on April 13, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
I got to see the Boston-Montreal game tonight and wished I hadn't.The Bruins are at a big disadvantage already and after watching tonights game it almost seems like the NHL has decided the outcome.As soon as Boston tied it with about ten minutes left three penalties were called on the Bruins down the stretch, two of dubious merit but none on Montreal despite physical play on both sides and then another in overtime that cost Boston the game.Add to that the Habs fans are the most arrogant aholes in all of hockey and it's pretty much a lost cause.

It's funny -- you could take this passage, substitute 'Ruins/Boston for Habs/Montreal and Whalers/Hartford for Boston/Bruins, and it would be something I'd have said about almost any Hartford/Boston game many years ago. I didn't see the whole game, flipped in and out -- but reffing always seems subjective, moreso when you have a dog in the fight.  Ah, for the days when Fred Cusick and Derek Sanderson used to work the games, now that was a fun listen (a laugh a minute, from my point of view).

We had season tickets for about 8 years, and met a lot of visiting fans.  We found (completely unscientifically) that the NY Ranger fans thought they knew everything about hockey, but actually knew just about nothing; and if they did know something it was (favorable) stats/info about Ranger players only -- never anything negative and never anything about any other team's players.

The Boston fans thought they knew everything about hockey, and knew a little more than Ranger fans. They acknowledged a Bruins player's weakness here and there, and sometimes admitted when a Bruin made a bonehead play or whatever.  Still, they often put a premium on thug play (the team's strength at the time) and conveniently ignored basic rules like tripping, boarding, etc.  Certainly no saintly Bruin would ever commit those offenses.

The Habs fans could name everyone on their lineup, our lineup and just about any other team's lineup; analyze what went wrong in a broken play or bad turnover; and ask us why, oh why, did the coach split up (Whalers)  Cassels and Sanderson when they click so well? (Good question, by the way.)  When a penalty went uncalled in their favor, the attitude was "Hey, we got one on you there" -- admitting it happened, but glad it didn't get called.  So I can't help but feel that they come by their arrogance honestly, because they really do know their hockey stuff.  Doesn't take the sting out of losing to them, but I actually liked some of the Habs fans we met during the time.

For what it's worth, we also noticed that Philadelphia women had been hit the most with the ugly stick, with a northern New England team coming in second. 

Okay -- is there anyone I haven't offended?  If so, please step forward and I'll work my magic.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 13, 2008, 10:53:16 PM
Glad to see the Bruins finally win one against the NHL and the Habs.I see though the Bruins didn't get to basically play the last ten minutes of regulation a man up like the Canadiens did last night.I guesss the Bruins don't "dive" as well as the Habs do.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 14, 2008, 05:23:34 PM
Great win by the Flyers, yesterday---and the Devils, too.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on April 14, 2008, 06:19:49 PM
Flames/Sharks odd scheduling was because of an arena league football match that was scheduled on the evening on which game 2 was originally set up (as a matinee). Then someone clued it in that NHL games can go multiple overtimes, and so they moved the game 2 forward one night rather than risk running into the arena league game (which, needless to say, shouldn't have been scheduled that night).


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on April 15, 2008, 11:12:54 AM
Flames/Sharks odd scheduling was because of an arena league football match that was scheduled on the evening on which game 2 was originally set up (as a matinee). Then someone clued it in that NHL games can go multiple overtimes, and so they moved the game 2 forward one night rather than risk running into the arena league game (which, needless to say, shouldn't have been scheduled that night).

Aha, mystery solved.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 20, 2008, 03:18:19 AM
Nice to see the Bruins showing some fight.They seem to have gotten to the young Montreal goalie the past two games and they go into Montreal on Patriots day for game 7.That said it's a game 7 in Montreal which means they'll have to beat history,the Canadiens ,the refs and the NHL powers that be on Monday night. Out west the Avs have looked very impressive so far.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on April 20, 2008, 09:40:57 PM
Nice to see the Bruins showing some fight.They seem to have gotten to the young Montreal goalie the past two games and they go into Montreal on Patriots day for game 7.That said it's a game 7 in Montreal which means they'll have to beat history,the Canadiens ,the refs and the NHL powers that be on Monday night. Out west the Avs have looked very impressive so far.

Agree that Cary Price's lack of experience is showing. He had an awesome year, but in the playoffs he is the Habs'  Achilles heel. Do you really think that if the Habs prevail it has everything to do with league and reffing improprieties and nothing to do with the Habs being in first place in the East and the Bruins squeaking into eighth place on the last day of the season?


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: thebizneverloses on April 20, 2008, 10:20:05 PM
It will likely have more to do with the brilliance of Kovalav and the Habs kiddie corps up front (Higgins, Plekanec, the Kostitsyn bros) than any sort of conspiracy


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 21, 2008, 12:20:32 AM
I'm saying that Boston has to beat more than just Montreal.They are the ultra sacred cow of the NHL and there is a looong  bitter playoff history between the two teams. with the "strange" calls for the most part being to Montreals advantage. I've seen many interesting calls happen in the ones I have watched.None of them more uncalled for than the too many men on the ice call late in game 7 of the 79 series that let Montreal tie the game and then win in overtime.An extra guy was on the ice for a split second as the other player went over the boards.To call that in that situation was so bogus even some of the habs fans were amazed it was called. That was the excuse Harry Sinden  eventually used to fire Don Cherry after the best playoff series I have ever seen.I do believe they have played each other more times than any other two clubs in the NHL and it is just as intense as the Yankees-Sox.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 21, 2008, 01:02:18 AM
A little irony here.In 2003-2004 the Bruins finished first in the division and played Montreal.They were up 3-1 in the series and then Montreal won 2 straight.Game 7 was played on Patriots Day but that series it was in Boston with Montreal taking the game.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 23, 2008, 12:55:15 PM
Let's go, Flyers!!!!

Another GREAT WIN!!!

Beat Les Habs and then....


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 29, 2008, 08:48:58 AM
If you're a hockey fan, and you understand the ebb and flow of a play-off game, then read this great writing:

http://www.philly.com/philly/hp/news_update/20080429_Bill_Lyon__Another_nail-biter_is_just_another_day_at_the_office_for_John_Stevens__club_.html


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on April 30, 2008, 12:53:52 AM
I'm surprised after so many good first series this round except for Montreal-Philly is turning into a snooze.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 30, 2008, 12:23:43 PM
good news for the Devils' fans...but not the Rangers's fans:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2008-04-30_D90C9NVG0&show_article=1&cat=breaking


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 30, 2008, 01:06:51 PM
No heart attack...a ruptured spleen, but he's out for the remainder of the season...of course, the Rangers don't have much of a season left:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2008-04-30_D90CA1SO0&show_article=1&cat=breaking


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 05, 2008, 01:01:05 PM
Series schedules
Eastern Conference
Game 1: Friday: Flyers at Penguins
Game 2: Sunday: Flyers at Penguins
Game 3: Tuesday, May 13: Penguins at Flyers
Game 4: Thursday, May 15: Penguins at Flyers
*Game 5: Sunday, May 18: Flyers at Penguins
*Game 6: Tuesday, May 20: Penguins at Flyers
*Game 7: Thursday, May 22: Flyers at Penguins
* if necessary
 
Western Conference
Game 1: Thursday: Stars at Red Wings
Game 2: Saturday: Stars at Red Wings
Game 3: Monday: Red Wings at Stars
Game 4: Wednesday, May 14: Red Wings at Stars
*Game 5: Saturday, May 17: Stars at Red Wings
*Game 6: Monday, May 19: Red Wings at Stars
*Game 7: Wednesday, May 21: Stars at Red Wings
* if necessary


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 07, 2008, 02:11:26 AM
Seeing as the previous series all ended early I can't believe the NHL waits almost a week to start the next round.None of them have NBA teams still playing so why does the NHL as the minor major league sport here wait to continue the Stanley Cup playoffs.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 07, 2008, 02:26:32 AM
As for the next round I'm going with the Penguins and Red Wings both in 6 but over at Fox Sports the inside hockey folks are picking the Flyers and Stars both in 7.That said there aren't any teams head and shoulders above the others so anything is possible.The way the NHL is set up nowdays it's easy to fall or rise.Witness what happened in Buffalo and Philly this year.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 07, 2008, 06:35:52 AM
Seeing as the previous series all ended early I can't believe the NHL waits almost a week to start the next round.None of them have NBA teams still playing so why does the NHL as the minor major league sport here wait to continue the Stanley Cup playoffs.

I kind of see your point, but it does allow teams to prepare themselves well, ala the NFL. That could make for better hockey in the end.

I'd love the Flyers to make the Finals, and I'm about sick of the Red Wings...

Let's go, underdogs!


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on May 09, 2008, 09:40:38 AM
With apologies to MrUtley, I love this story. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/nhl_experts/post/Saving-Rocky-from-Penguins-fan-desecration-Flye?urn=nhl,81444



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 09, 2008, 12:48:34 PM
With apologies to MrUtley, I love this story. 

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/nhl_experts/post/Saving-Rocky-from-Penguins-fan-desecration-Flye?urn=nhl,81444



Yeah, I saw that one.

kind of funny.

Hockey fans are their own special rabid breed, that's for sure.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 11, 2008, 02:33:58 AM
If I read the start time right for the Sunday game it is not on NBC but on cable.I can't believe the NHL is so second rate in the U.S. that it could not be worked around the golf coverage.They had a game last weekend on NBC but for the semi's relegate it to cable. :-[


Title: Newspaper coverage of finals
Post by: thebizneverloses on May 23, 2008, 02:37:07 PM
http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080523.truth23/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home

Interesting insights into the state of hockey and even moreso newspapers in North America


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 24, 2008, 03:42:31 AM
It's sad that major newspapers aren't covering it.I find it hard to believe Chicago or Phil isn't sending a writer.As for the L.A. Times and Helene Elliot she is pretty much useless as is most of the L.A. Times sports page.Her opinions often stand out in a story even over the facts.She has a dislike of certain teams that comes through no matter what and while she may have a hockey pedigree her writing is lite on facts anf full of what she thinks.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on May 24, 2008, 03:50:39 AM
As for the Cup it's a tough call Detroit could win it in 5 but I'm going with the Penn's youth and speed in 6.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 25, 2008, 06:41:15 PM
Pittsburgh.



Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 29, 2008, 12:16:44 PM
Hockey at Wrigley Field next winter:

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/976961,CST-SPT-hawk29.article


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: bosox18d on June 03, 2008, 03:32:18 AM
Quite a game tonight.Wings were what like 34 seconds away of making my off the cuff remark of Wings could win it in 5 from coming true but my Pittsburgh in 6 can't come about.I hope it goes 7 as it's been a pretty good series.The NHL has to do something though about using common sense on goalie interference calls.The two on Detroit tonight especially the second one were goofy.The Red Wing  player is flying towards the corner of the net and barely clips him going by. Both the goalie and the player are at the corner of the net at that point.The only way he could not do that is by not rushing the net to get a shot off.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 03, 2008, 08:50:47 AM
A 7 game series would do the NHL a lot of good.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: yankguy on June 03, 2008, 09:55:53 AM
It's beyond my comprehension that TV ratings for that stupid Mixed Martial Arts garbage can double that of the Stanley Cup finals.  These games are fantastic.


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 03, 2008, 02:00:23 PM
What did H.L Mencken say about estimating the intelligence of the American people????


Title: Re: NHL
Post by: harrie on June 03, 2008, 02:37:17 PM
Geez, and all this time I was blaming Buttmunch for the league's demise.   Where can I find that Mencken guy, anwyway?

I thought Fleury looked impressive last night, and I haven't thought that for much of the year.  But there was a little stretch in the second OT when it looked like the Pens were flailing, the Wings smelled blood and were circling, and Fleury's sharp, focused play saved Penguin ass.
Anyone think Melrose is really going to replace Tortorella in Tampa?  The story is turning into a freakin' soap opera.


Title: Dolan under fire, NHL threatening MSG
Post by: thebizneverloses on June 19, 2008, 06:54:41 PM
NHL wants to grab control of the Rangers from Cablevision.

Really? How bizarre is this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3452292

Who's a bigger laughingstock: Bettman or Dolan?


Title: Re: Dolan under fire, NHL threatening MSG
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 20, 2008, 12:23:53 PM
NHL wants to grab control of the Rangers from Cablevision.

Really? How bizarre is this?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=3452292

Who's a bigger laughingstock: Bettman or Dolan?

The Wilpons, at the moment.