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Title: American League
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:19:55 AM
Discuss the state of the American League
Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on July 30, 2018, 11:53:13 AM
Testing, testing, 1...2...yankees suck....
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
Testing, testing, 1...2...yankees suck....

Yes, the system seems to work just fine.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Price tonight.  Good luck catching us, boys.

Tendi and Bogearts do need to heat up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 04:16:11 PM
So.... Mets are going to bring in Austin Jackson and not play him?

Idiots.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 04:18:40 PM
I think I take Frazier, Andujar, Adams for Degrom if you are offering, by the way.

Sox fans - dont bother - you cant match that.

Who plays third for the Yanks, you ask?

You tell me (if you want the deal)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2018, 04:31:39 PM
Much as I like DeGrom and as much as Adams seems to have fallen, I wouldn't do that. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 07:44:33 PM
Yanks-Twins with a solid trade

Austin wasnt going to be used - would have been a 40-man casualty

Twins get the 19 year old Rios (117K vs just 14 BB), who may have a future
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
Warren and Shreve gone - making room for Lynn and...........(TBD)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2018, 09:11:43 AM
Good to see Elba off the DL

Thanks liq

Welcome to Boston Ian Kinsler

Good game last night
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 09:40:27 AM
Great game, last night. Nola is an ace, but the youngest team in MLB showed their inexperience and gave away the game. Speed bump.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Yeah.  Pretty good team.  Really like Hoskins.

Odubel screwed the pooch on the Nunez liner.

Some MLB Network guys think Philly "announces themselves as serious" with deals today.

What position upgrade do you prefer?  I find iot fascinating Phils havent upgraded at SS.  Iglesias would be a great fit (Tigers only team to not have made a deal)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 10:08:26 AM
I wonder if Evvie felt any compassion with the Nats humiliation of the Mets last night.

Hope the Sox start hitting again, they've been in eh since the ASG break.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 10:14:12 AM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.

Arrietta is clearly Phils leader.

They say you cant lead from an every fifth day situation, but its worked in the past with some teams.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.

Arrietta is clearly Phils leader.

They say you cant lead from an every fifth day situation, but its worked in the past with some teams.
One of the leaders, and certainly for the pitching staff. Believe it or not, the kid Hoskins is the leader in that young clubhouse.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 01:04:35 PM
I do agree it was a huge win for Phils

Mets are currently giving Nats a head of steam (Rizzo did as well when he dealt basically nobody).

Even today with Syndergaard - Nats up 3-zip already

For thiose who dont wish to look:

Loss column:

Braves
Phils  -1
Nats  -6

Overall

Phils
Braves  -0.5
Nats     - 5.5
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 02:20:05 PM
Jose Reyes becomes the first player in history to allow 6 runs in an inning and then homer from both sides of the dish the next game he appears (as far as I know, that is)

3-2 Nats after 8

Nats DUMPED Shawn Kelly, who threw a hissyfit last night upon beimng used with a 24 run lead (Kelly had allowed just 1 earned run since June 23, but 3 last night)

Interesting move, as they replace him with a rookie first time up guy.

Trying to fix that chemistry......
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
Regarding chemistry. WTF is with the Astros bringing in Ocsuna?

Bad move.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
I could envision


a)  Major protests

and

b)  Luhnow deciding not to use Osuna after all


- or none of that.....

Interesting situation indeed.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
I just don't know how the gm thought he was improving the team. The players now have to answer all these questions, it's a distraction to them and puts the manager in a bind, and more. Very strange decision.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 05:42:02 PM
From TSN: The Astros manager said he wasn't sure how the clubhouse will react when Osuna joins the team Friday in Los Angeles to face the Dodgers.

"I met with our team shortly after the trade went down and I just told them, 'Feel how you're going to feel'," Hinch told MLB Network on SiriusXM Wednesday.

Osuna has been serving a 75-game suspension as a part of MLB's domestic violence policy but can be activated Sunday. He was arrested and charged with assault May 8, with his last MLB appearance May 6.

"It's going to be an emotional time for him, it's going be an emotional time for our team," Hinch said. "I know there's reactions all over the place. I think a lot of us, especially in our clubhouse, just don't really know what happened, what to think. We don't even really know the court case, court dealings.

"He's not somebody we've had in our clubhouse before."


The Astros have come under fire for acquiring Asuna, especially since he court case has not been resolved yet (his attorneys were in court again Wednesday in Toronto).

He could be due back in court Sept. 5, as the regular season starts to wind down.


"Feel how you feel"? The clubhouse doesn't "really know what happened", which means details to follow, and more questions for all of them. And a Sept. 5 court date?

So now the whole team has the carry this baggage to the finish line.

I don't get this move.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:23:12 AM
and the battle and hype ratches up as the Sox and Ys meet for a 4-gamer @ America's favorite ballpark.

tonght CC v Sale Johnson
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Bart on August 02, 2018, 11:17:26 AM
JOSH -

Just a heads up....

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=t8b4j6qmu9m4hpm9vho70h8k24&action=profile;u=1164

This account, and others that end with "phome" and all listed as "Male, Age 39" in their profiles, are spambots.  Don't know if you have the power to delete them, but you might save a lot of mopping up down the road if you can.  I'm a web admin elsewhere on the web, and am familiar with these.  Also, if you want to pass this along:  threads that were inactive for years, and are now empty, are spam magnets.  If they are thinned a bit, or just locked, it will save some grief.  Or we can keep waiting for that magical day that Latin American Literature and Pets comes back to glorious life.  "My dog has no nose..." 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
Happ to DL.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 09:57:58 PM
playing long-ball at Fenway tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 02, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
CFBW's are fun to watch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
Sox down 4-0 and didn't quit.

Good CFBW
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:51:24 PM
nice to see the top of the order get on base

couldn't smell a hit against Phillies

1-to-5 got base 20 times (16 hits)

outrageous
Title: Re: American League
Post by: luee on August 03, 2018, 04:52:18 AM
Yanks still need starters.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: evvie on August 03, 2018, 08:12:49 AM
I wonder if Evvie felt any compassion with the Nats humiliation of the Mets last night.



I died.

I mean, I've complained about our pitching, but that was just too much!

I was glad I wasn't there.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 03, 2018, 09:45:00 AM
Resilience.
The capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.

The key to winning the marathon that is a baseball season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 10:09:04 AM
Yanks still need [A STUD] starter...

Fixed
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
Resilience.
The capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.

The key to winning the marathon that is a baseball season.

Okay

Now define

shortstop

and

closer
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 08:00:57 PM
JOSH -

Just a heads up....

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=t8b4j6qmu9m4hpm9vho70h8k24&action=profile;u=1164

This account, and others that end with "phome" and all listed as "Male, Age 39" in their profiles, are spambots.  Don't know if you have the power to delete them, but you might save a lot of mopping up down the road if you can.  I'm a web admin elsewhere on the web, and am familiar with these.  Also, if you want to pass this along:  threads that were inactive for years, and are now empty, are spam magnets.  If they are thinned a bit, or just locked, it will save some grief.  Or we can keep waiting for that magical day that Latin American Literature and Pets comes back to glorious life.  "My dog has no nose..."

I will be cleaning up the threads regularly. If/when I get the ability to ban them and their IPs, I will do that, too, but thus far it is not an option.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 09:47:01 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

The Pedro game was the best game I've ever seen a pitcher pitch, with the Chili Davis hr (RF-yankee stadium) the only hit Pedro gave up that night.
17ks no walks.plunked Knobby.

Porcello not nearly as overpowering, but very efficient, and just throwing strikes.

real nice game.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 10:33:28 PM
The New York Daily News made this observation about Chase Adams' start tomorrow at Fenway:
Quote
The Red Sox’ powerful lineup, which leads the majors in OPS (.796) is a tough first assignment in the big leagues for any pitcher, let alone one making his big league debut.

Their editors must work in the Department of Redundancy Department.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 03, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

The Pedro game was the best game I've ever seen a pitcher pitch, with the Chili Davis hr (RF-yankee stadium) the only hit Pedro gave up that night.
17ks no walks.plunked Knobby.

Porcello not nearly as overpowering, but very efficient, and just throwing strikes.

real nice game.

Oh? Mids this game?  https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201010060.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201010060.shtml)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 03, 2018, 11:28:36 PM
The New York Daily News made this observation about Chase Adams' start tomorrow at Fenway:
Quote
The Red Sox’ powerful lineup, which leads the majors in OPS (.796) is a tough first assignment in the big leagues for any pitcher, let alone one making his big league debut.

Their editors must work in the Department of Redundancy Department.

They fired all their good writers.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
I've seen lots of no-hitters, but I've never seen a better pitched game, nor a more dominant performance, than Pedro's when he pitched against the Ys in '99.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 11:35:35 PM
https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/pedro-martinez-blanks-indians-in-alds (https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/pedro-martinez-blanks-indians-in-alds)

This is probably the most amazing pitching performance I can remember having seen. It wasn't a complete game or close to it, because it was a relief appearance in the 4th, but it was the guttiest and most dominating, especially under the circumstances.

I've probably seen better complete games - the no-hitter against the Red Sox this season was mighty dominant.

But Pedro, with nothing over 90mph available, with those 6 innings of no hit ball just sticks in a way few other games ever have stuck with my feeble memory.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 11:07:11 AM
that was a helluva gutsy performance and that game came a month after the 1-hitter

its a amazing he snuffed a great line-up Tribe team with no heater

Pedro could pitch.

good call.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Yanks need to do everything now to set up for the wild card game, including figuring out who they want to pitch

Right now without any doubt it is TANAKA, if they are thinking straight

I'm excited to see ADAMS, who I would have taken as a Met - today.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
Another quick on in Boston

Still cannot believe Sox gave up prospect Beeks to get Eovaldi

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
Who questioned that trade? Heh.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 05:20:12 PM
Yanks need to do everything now to set up for the wild card game, including figuring out who they want to pitch

Right now without any doubt it is TANAKA, if they are thinking straight

I'm excited to see ADAMS, who I would have taken as a Met - today.

So far, he's slightly better than Severino was yesterday, both in runs and in pitches thrown. Better than they might have feared if not as good as they likely had hoped. "Better than Severino was yesterday" is not a high bar to clear.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
Who questioned that trade? Heh.

Same trade as Britton

- but you liked Shreve, I get it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
Not the same trade as Britton. Not even close. You're becoming more of a troll daily.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:22:56 PM
I posted my reasons about why I thought Britton wasn't a great move and in so doing acknowledged the "keeping him from a competitor" argument was a compelling one. Feel free to go back to them. Oh. You can't? Tough shit. Troll.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Actually, you never did.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

I thought the Red Sox needed Eovaldi.

Didn't you?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:34:24 PM
Say what, Cash?

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman)

White Sox, Astros, Twins, A's. Phils, Mariners all play Sox tougher this year than NY
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:35:59 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.

I will look

@onetitlesince00, right?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:38:58 PM
How'd you guess?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:48:10 PM
alittle bit of added drama

alls well that ends well.

Eovaldi was a stud.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:55:09 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

The deals were not identical.

Britton was an established star closer, Eovaldi more of a lottery ticket starter.

Sox got priced out of the reliever market but could pick-up an end of the rotation starter who might be moved to the pen, or allow someone (Pom) to be moved to the pen.

Britton had a deep market

No one else wanted Eovaldi, which is why the Sox could get him.

and fwiw when I put forth the Ys keeping Britton away from Sox/Astro's was a tangible benefit, a return response disagreed with me.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:58:31 PM
Say what, Cash?

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman)

White Sox, Astros, Twins, A's. Phils, Mariners all play Sox tougher this year than NY

Cashman sounded like Rex Ryan crying about the Pats.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:00:09 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need. But dammit, it's all on my Twitter page.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 07:03:54 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

I thought the Red Sox needed Eovaldi.

Didn't you?

It was obviously a great add.

What I thought isnt the issue
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:06:09 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.

Closest I can come is Kid's complaining about the press being drawn to shit in their reporting about Josh Hamilton and your response to that.

I don't currently see anything archived from the AL forum later than 2012.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:10:20 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
I always acknowledge and reject that argument. I don't think any team is good enough and wise enough to focus on another team's needs at the expense of their own.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
I always acknowledge and reject that argument. I don't think any team is good enough and wise enough to focus on another team's needs at the expense of their own.
[/quote

Now I'm confused, you've said you found it a compelling argument and now one you reject.

But I agree focusing on your own team's needs, and addressing them is a simpler and more effective strategy than to try and out-maneuver what an oppponent may do.

But I also think Cashman feels he's playing chess while everyone else is playing with themselves.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
Would you prefer I said "compelling, but ultimately rejected"?

Cashman has the touch of arrogance that all good GMs have to have.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
I thought you rejected my opinion of Cashman's Machiavellian designs, right off the bat, which was why I was surprised today when you used the word "compelling".

NBD. 

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 07:42:48 PM
YG feels one deal precludes another.  I disagree.

Dillon Tate may end up a big leaguer

But his 1.6 WHIP just 2 years ago might say to bet the other side.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."

if you accept some of that reasoning, and believe as you seem to believe that the Ys did not need Britton, but a starter, then Cashman's trading for Britton to lengthen an already deep BP but to also keep him from the Sox and Astro's does not seem a huge leap to accept. And its about impossible to tell which was a more important factor.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:57:58 PM
We were talking about and  Kid was trolling about why I didn't think the Yankees needed Britton and why if I were GM I wouldn't have gotten him. I have no idea why Cashman did it. Keeping the Red Sox and Astros from him likely played some role.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:07:23 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."

I think the Yankee wanted Britton to HAVE Britton.  To have another guy they can trust in the eighth inning and a better one v one lefty vs tough lefties down the stretch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Indians-Angels on - and I can honestly say I have ZERO interest.   Funny.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 08:10:46 PM
And we're  back to the initial argument(s).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:21:25 PM
Dude - the issue is your not thinking Yanks benefit from Britton

You have yet to make that case.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
Then again....

we have to wait to see when Yanks actually have another lead for him to come in to.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:24:32 PM
Got some baseball people shaking their heads tonight at not relenting to Mets demands on Wheeler.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
From MLB:
Quote
Eovaldi's first impression with his new team has been about as good as possible. He hasn't allowed a run over 15 innings in his first two starts for the Sox. The last time a starting pitcher was unscored upon in his first two starts for Boston? Vaughn Eshelman, who did it in 1995.

That's the late Vaughn Eshelman to you. He died on July 24th, 11 days ago, at age 49 - liver disease. He'd had a transplant in March, but never finished his recovery. His older brother and best friend, Kyle, died at age 40. That's a ton of young death for a family.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 10:30:18 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)

Pai-Mei's 5-point palm-ball exploding heart technique claims another victim.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 11:28:31 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)

Amazingly silly.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 05, 2018, 09:15:04 AM
Efflin wins again.

Rolling, rolling, rolling...Nola keep it rolling...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 01:51:25 PM
Asdrubel at short

I like Miami today
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 05, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
I liked Asdrubel today.

On the road again...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
Whew - this one's on Cora.

Price needed to be done on the Gardy single.

And is Hembree really your best there?

If it was 2 games to 1 rather than 3-0 Cora's team is given better by his MGR, I have to feel.

Well done, Yanks.  Betters your WC chances.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 11:03:55 PM
Whew - this one's on Cora.

Price needed to be done on the Gardy single.



Yup.

It was short leash time. Cora messed up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:29:44 PM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 11:36:39 PM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 12:10:16 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 12:27:38 AM
ooooooooooooooooooooops
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:32:27 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 12:36:27 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't

I was agreeing and teasing Kiid.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:39:07 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't

I was agreeing and teasing Kiid.

my bad

I assumed that kid was responding to me.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:50:50 AM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

that was a nut punch win!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 01:01:59 AM
Jessica Mendoza predicted the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 06, 2018, 07:46:43 AM
From the NYT: — As the Yankees trudged off the field in the wee hours of Monday morning, several of them took one last peek across what had become a bandbox of horrors, catching a sight of the Boston Red Sox mobbing Andrew Benintendi near first base.

It was his hit, a ground ball up the middle through a hole in the shifted defense, that delivered the final devastating blow to the Yankees in a weekend full of them. It brought home pinch-runner Tony Renda, whose headlong slide across the plate sealed a 5-4, 10th-inning comeback win that served as an exclamation point on a four-game sweep of the Yankees.

Instead of leaving the field with a modicum of momentum, and perhaps a sense that they were pulling out of an ill-timed funk, the Yankees dropped to nine and one-half games behind the Red Sox in the American League East. But they weren’t ready to admit that they had kissed their hopes of a division title goodbye.

“A tough way, obviously, to end a tough weekend,” Yankees Manager Aaron Boone said. “But we can’t let this define what’s been a great season for us.”


"Bandbox Of Horrors".

Truly.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 06, 2018, 08:07:30 AM
Jesus comes down off hid cross:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/a-weight-has-been-lifted-off-bryce-harper-and-hes-ready-for-the-nationals-final-stand/2018/08/05/9da15c26-98d9-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/a-weight-has-been-lifted-off-bryce-harper-and-hes-ready-for-the-nationals-final-stand/2018/08/05/9da15c26-98d9-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html)

FTR, Rizzo wad NEVER going to trade him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 03:00:15 PM
Indeed, truth, Ut.

I said so at the time.  Media ran with it off some miniscule info.

Harper carrying this club to the playoffs is a nice story.  Hope he gets there.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 07, 2018, 12:33:02 AM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 12:59:29 AM
There is no baseball karma

Osuna gets W in first HOU appearance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!

1978.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 07, 2018, 12:33:15 PM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!

1978.
Beat me to it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
heh

'78 was a great season, and a great race, and has become the St. Jude of baseball seasons to some to pray to.

But it was more like a crucible preparing the soul for the real trying times like '86 and '03

fwiw I and most other sportsfans call upon Saint '04 when the night is at its darkest and the task at hand seemingly impossible
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 02:45:26 PM
heh

'78 was a great season, and a great race, and has become the St. Jude of baseball seasons to some to pray to.

But it was more like a crucible preparing the soul for the real trying times like '86 and '03

fwiw I and most other sportsfans call upon Saint '04 when the night is at its darkest and the task at hand seemingly impossible

Reading too much into it, as usual.

My point is for the Bosox fan to stay humble, as great regular seasons often do not translate into championships.

Perhaps, then, I should have referenced 2011 Phillies, the 2015 Cardinals, the 2008 Angels, the 2004 Yankees, the 2003 Giants and the 2003 Braves, 2002 A's, 2001 Mariners, 1998 Astros, 1988 Mets, the 1976 and 1977 Phillies.

I hope you can grasp that which seemed to have escaped your comprehension before.

No one has ever won the World Series in August.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.

There was no boasting in my post, just a reflection upon the pain of races past.

and in Josh's post which gave an accurate update of the 2018 AL East race he did not claim the pennant. 

So your retort is one large false narrative.

As usual you come to provoke, and you end up as a bloodied fool.

And fwiw, 1964 probably remains the platinum standard of pennant collapses.

Likely before your time, though
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 10:15:43 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.



No. You didn't.

You fucked up.

And now that you know the intent behind the original post, you try to save face.

You haven't won shit, yet, so calm down.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.



No. You didn't.

You fucked up.

And now that you know the intent behind the original post, you try to save face.

You haven't won shit, yet, so calm down.

troll your use of "1978" was meant as troll, as thats all you do
you said nothing else but "1978"

it was as illuminating as red's typical "LOL" when he hasn't a clue, but feels he needs to respond

but its just the empty laugh of a trolling idiot, just like you, you dumb fuck troll

and I responded to your 1-word essay, in context of 1978 as a memorable season

and neither Josh or I clamed a pennant

learn to read you moron.

1964

and you know what the best thing about the Phillies historic choke in 1964?
 
If the Philles had won and not choked losing 10 in a row, and pissing away the pennant to the Cards, David Halberstam probably would never had the interest to do a follow-up classic to his 1949

now go fuck yourself


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 10:36:22 PM
lotta late inning lightening in Toronto
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 11:02:41 PM
that Sox BP!!!

yikes
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 08, 2018, 07:57:28 AM
I see banks still can't read what was clearly written. But he can still easily overreact. What a hypersensitive twit.

And still no team had won the World Series in August.

Meanwhile, in the league where they still play the game the way it was intended, the Philly Utes earned another win, behind Nicky P.

Rubber game today.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 08:05:54 AM
what was clearly written?

heh

1964
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 08, 2018, 09:33:55 AM
Thinnest skin on the fora. You really should get some professional help. Your displaced anger here is boring. And pathetic.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
heh

troll you really should buy a speck of a clue and some security, as you are a clueless insecure asshole.

Josh gives an AL E update and you respond "1978"

And i post about 2 sentences about the '78 season from my perspective

and then you manufacture false narratives and accuse others of having agendas and thin-skins.

TFF

you're fucked up
 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 10:14:48 AM
On Sunday, Kid, because he knows things, and  in yet another attempt to show me wrong for expressing my problems with the trade, noted what was just an okay inning pitched by Britton against the Red Sox with a rhetorical question as to who that pitcher was. 

Is Kid going to ask the same question this morning? 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 11:10:05 AM
yank

I'm getting a sense of deja vue

not the best night for Kimbrel or Britton.

more concerned with Kimbrel

Sox BP is clearly their Achilles heel
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 11:21:23 AM
I think the Red Sox have a lot of very good arms in the bullpen and in the event of a total meltdown by Kimbrel they can find somebody else to handle that role.  I think the "traditional" closer role is probably the easiest role in baseball to fill on stop-gap basis. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 11:33:56 AM
They have a lot of guys who throw 95+, but very few who seem to deliver a clean 1-2-3 in late innings.

Last year Kimbrel was a lock, this year not so much. He's had problems with his breaking ball, making sitting on his heater a problem.

Barnes has been pretty decent but Joe Kelly, who was pretty good for the first couple of months, regressed.


They could use another dependable guy, as winning with late run offensive bail-out explosions is not the post-season model you want to count on.

I wonder if/when E-Rod comes back, he returns, at least for awhile as a BP guy, or maybe Eovaldi.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 12:41:07 PM
Disagree with YG

I find it puzzling Red Sox do not have a substituite closer on the roster - someone who has handled duties before (Thornburg does have 13 saves in his career, but thats it)

Eovaldi might be a candidate but appears to beneeded as 4th starter.

Matt Barnes the likely guy.  I like him, but thats an anything can happen scenario (could be quite good, could be a mess)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
John Axford, a dreadful pitcher, had 46 saves one season.  Finding a closer shouldn't be that hard.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
Yank-I'm not as confident that good closers are as readily available.

That the Ys have 3 closers may have skewed your opinion.

And it seems, barring injury or catastophre,  the sox have made their bed with Kimbrel, but they may have to bolster the pen with some other additions or sleight of hand.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
I'm not sure I said that proven good closers are available, but rather guys become good closers out of a sense of desperation all the time. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
John Axford, a dreadful pitcher, had 46 saves one season.  Finding a closer shouldn't be that hard.

Degrees, my friend...

Degrees.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
I'm not sure I said that proven good closers are available, but rather guys become good closers out of a sense of desperation all the time.

I'm not sure that trial and error was a key component to Dave Dombrowski's pre-season approach to the '18 bullpen.

And I don't think the Sox are at desperation yet. Hopefully, from their perspective, they continue to get solid starts most nights, Kelly gets right, Barnes stays reasonably reliable, and whatever curveball funk has funked up Kimbrel is fixable. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
I think Kimbrel will be fine, but if he's not I don't necessarily think it's cause for despair.   Remember in 2013 it took one closer's injury and a second's bout of ineffectiveness before the Sox lucked into Koji as a closer. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 04:51:02 PM
Again - making my point

Uehara had saved 32 games in a season for Yomiuri - then had 13 for the Orioles when put in that spot for just six weeks in 2010.

They had him in the garage - in case he was needed.  Dont know about the luck part.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 08, 2018, 11:39:21 PM
Delusional banks showing he's worried Bosox will blow up in post season. Little early for that kind of panic.

Heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 08, 2018, 11:39:31 PM
Talk about being misunderstood!

My comment was harkening back to the mindset of Bostonians everywhere when we knew our team could and would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

When every minor issue was proof that Chicken Little was right!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
The delusional troll wrongly accuses me of both claiming victory in August and panic.

the troll is nothing if not clueless

but mostly nothing.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 10:55:52 AM
Delusional banks showing he's worried Bosox will blow up in post season. Little early for that kind of panic.

Heh

Blow up how?

I think Sox will hit.  Maybe Sale is out, you foresee?  Pomeranz is used - and sucks? (yeah, more believable)

If they lose it will be close and likely well played - and tip of the cap to the (insert team that played better here)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
If Eddie R comes back and pitchs as he did, pre ankle sprain, and Pom continues to suck, he  will not be a post-season starter.

Sale-Price-Porcello-Rodrriguez or Eovaldi

depending on line-up might want another RH starter= Eov and ERod to BP.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
Talk about being misunderstood!

My comment was harkening back to the mindset of Bostonians everywhere when we knew our team could and would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

When every minor issue was proof that Chicken Little was right!
I thought his name was Grady.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:54:45 AM
heh

Grady did his best work on Bull Durham.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 12:30:13 PM
HOU still the team to beat.

Especially now with Osuna, who looked very very good the other day

(Not that they needed him - heh)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
He's a prick, but they did need him.

Has anyone ever told you you're an asshole?

HEH
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
IMO Astro's still the team to beat.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
If I said something like that, Bank, I'd be accused of the ol' reverse mojo thing.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
Probably.

I think the Sox can beat anyone, and might, but I like the Astro's rotation and I got some concerns about the Sox BP against good line-ups.

Sox are a good bet in the 8-5 games, less so in the 4-3 games.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 10:01:19 AM
speaking of Betts, he hit his first career cycle in last nights loss to Toronto.

helluva player, he does everything well

Porcello roughed up after being staked to 2-0 lead.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 10, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.

With thanks to Bob Brookover:
http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html (http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 11:36:55 AM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 05:29:46 PM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.

With thanks to Bob Brookover:
http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html (http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html)

Yes. Thanks for posting attribution.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
The Phillies got Justin Bour.  I've always liked that guy.  Yankees certainly looked at him at one point during Bird's injury issues.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 06:38:27 PM
Yanks start Romine, Voit and Robinson

Ouch

Tanaka's their most valuable guy - and will show so again tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 06:45:24 PM
I think Shane Robinson is older than me.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 06:57:37 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

0 HR last 16 games of 2017

0 HR last 10 thus far this year

Tiiiiiireeeed.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:02:38 PM
Tough one today for Nats.  Damn, those Cubs are tough in the close ones.

Have to be a bit puzzled by the addition (by Rizzo) and use today (by Martinez) of Greg Holland.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
I think there's a decent possibility that Martinez is out after this season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 07:30:59 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

0 HR last 16 games of 2017

0 HR last 10 thus far this year

Tiiiiiireeeed.

So, you've reduced the game to just hitting home runs.

Weak.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
If you think he is playing well, that is all that matters.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
Mets version of NIMMO.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 09:32:30 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:37:59 PM
SUCK should be reserved exclusively for the Orioles.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
Beckham is an atrocious shortstop.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 09:48:23 PM
pitchers duel at OPACY
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 10:32:38 PM
Beckham is an atrocious shortstop.

The Mudiay of the O's.

Seeing if the #1 pick in him comes out.  If not its a discard
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 10:59:26 AM
You SUCK, Tendi!

How did Benny hurt you kid?

10D is top 10 OPS, top 15 WAR, and you think he sucks?

Did you find out his people chain-migrated?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
You SUCK, Tendi!

How did Benny hurt you kid?

10D is top 10 OPS, top 15 WAR, and you think he sucks?

Did you find out his people chain-migrated?

There you go again. Get help, sad little man.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:26:49 AM
1964

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
its funny I stick a toe in the water, and the dumb fuck troll shows up.

TFF

or it would be if he wasn't an indecent stalker
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:33:26 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:35:35 AM
BOSTON -- Steven Wright threw off a mound over the weekend for the first time since being placed on the disabled list June 26 with left knee inflammation (retroactive to June 23).

He threw only a few pitches but it was a positive step. Red Sox manager Alex Cora thinks the knuckleballer will pitch again for Boston this season.

"We had a conversation with him on Sunday," Cora said. "He's feeling a lot better than when he came back the first time. Kind of like knowing what he has to do to avoid lapses like this. He's been doing great in the weight room. He's been keeping his arm in shape. He regularly beats his wife with it, since we are pleased with his progress, and we continue to ignore his history of domestic violence, because it serves our purposes to do so.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:37:42 AM
its funny I stick a toe in the water, and the dumb fuck troll shows up.

TFF

or it would be if he wasn't an indecent stalker

Blaming others for your mental illness is fairly typical.

Get help, sad little man.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:38:48 AM
water's just fine

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on August 11, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..
I'm going with my daughter to the night game. Left field nose bleeds.  It sounds like the rain might be a hit or miss thing.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..
I'm going with my daughter to the night game. Left field nose bleeds.  It sounds like the rain might be a hit or miss thing.

Nice.

Bring a glove, with the way both teams were launching rockets last night...

have fun, and stay dry
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 11, 2018, 11:50:03 AM
This is very odd.  I'm now both Yankguy and Yankguy1.  And "Yankguy1" ignored my latest "Yankguy" post.  Strange.  I'll stick with Yankguy1, but if push comes to shove I'll go with "Bluestateward" or "ESPN+".
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Gonna need somebody if Sale is not ok.

Even 4th playoff starter, if needed, is up for grabs.


- this in response to the Wright post
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2018, 11:57:24 AM
So......................appears that on the days MLB Network has Yanks scheduled as their main game - we dont get an alternate game (today it could be Sox-O's so I can see Price pitch) - although when an out of town game IS scheduled for MLB Network we SEE IT even when a local game is running opposite on another network

A semi-blackout rule, I suppose.

So I will be seeing reruns of whatever on MLB while Sox play, forced to watch the LynnYanks take revenge on TX. 

OY!

The full package, by the way, rest of the year, is just 59 bucks if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:58:28 AM
Gonna need somebody if Sale is not ok.

Even 4th playoff starter, if needed, is up for grabs.


- this in response to the Wright post

Sale goes Sunday.

Sox giving Cuevas a shot in tonight's night cap.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 12:00:10 PM
So......................appears that on the days MLB Network has Yanks scheduled as their main game - we dont get an alternate game (today it could be Sox-O's so I can see Price pitch) - although when an out of town game IS scheduled for MLB Network we SEE IT even when a local game is running opposite on another network

A semi-blackout rule, I suppose.

So I will be seeing reruns of whatever on MLB while Sox play, forced to watch the LynnYanks take revenge on TX. 

OY!

The full package, by the way, rest of the year, is just 59 bucks if anyone is interested.

Reddit streams is a nice work around to blackouts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
This is very odd.  I'm now both Yankguy and Yankguy1.  And "Yankguy1" ignored my latest "Yankguy" post.  Strange.  I'll stick with Yankguy1, but if push comes to shove I'll go with "Bluestateward" or "ESPN+".

You have seemed rather duplicitous of late.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 04:04:25 PM
1st game of twi-nighter Price with strong outing, supported by 3 dingers

5-0 win

poetic justice for 5-0 wash-out a few weeks ago.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 12:14:31 AM
Nuther 1-5 for FatTendi

1 HR in 100+ AB

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 08:49:01 AM
I'm glad I don't know shit about fantasy baseball, I think I'd miss a lot of the game

10D top-10-15 in OPS and WAR  in AL

he's a way above average ballplayer.

what I've noticed over the past week is he's been doing a lot of 1st pitch swinging and just missing and popping up

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 11:56:36 AM
Well alright.......Dave Roberts

Dodgers replacement for Jansen never got a real shot.  Alexander gives up one hit and is lifted.  Guiy that comes in surrenders 3 run walkoff bombadilla.

Heh

Alexander's line

.1 inning, 1 K, 1 hit, 1 earned run (came in on the dinger)

Good luck the rest of the way, Davey Boy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 12, 2018, 01:27:19 PM

Phillies option Zach Eflin to Triple A to make room for Justin Bour
By Jim Salisbury | NBC Sports Philadelphia August 11, 2018 8:05
SAN DIEGO — The Phillies employed a creative bit of personnel management in getting newcomer Justin Bour on the 25-man roster for Saturday night’s game against the San Diego Padres.


The Phillies did not subtract from their middle-infield bench depth and send J.P Crawford or Scott Kingery to the minors.

They optioned a member of their starting pitching rotation to the minor leagues.

And here’s the thing:

Zach Eflin won’t even miss a start. He’ll be out 10 days of big-league service time and big-league pay, but he will be able to pitch for the Phillies on Thursday and come back and make his normal start after that.

Here’s how it works: The Phillies have a doubleheader on Thursday against the Mets. They are allowed to add a 26th man from the minors for that day and it will be Eflin. After that, he will go back to the minors for the completion of his 10-day option and be eligible to return to the rotation on Aug. 22 in Washington.


Brilliant.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
I presume that Sale was taken out for purely precautionary reasons, after coming off the DL.

I hope that was why!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
Now I find myself hoping we don't score a fifth run, with Kimbrel coming in!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 04:20:24 PM
I presume that Sale was taken out for purely precautionary reasons, after coming off the DL.

I hope that was why!

Sale was about unhittable, and had a 85 pitch limit, maybe the brain trust didn't want to push it and played it conservatively.

Let him leave with a good feeling over dominant performance.

Kimbrel's been an adventure, he was ok today, got squeezed on what should have been a strike 3 on the BB.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Sweet pitching duel right now at Wrigley

 3 hits combined through 6 vs Scherzer and Hamels.

Would be a shame if we dont get a Nats-Cubs 7-gamer this year.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 10:01:56 PM
Scherzer is close to "Pedro in his prime" territory.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 11:04:29 PM
 Oh my.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
Well...

for the 12th time - the fucking Treinen deal was stupid

That said - how do you keep Madsen in when he had the command he showed?

Davey 1
Davey 2

The MGR stupid-off resumes tomorrow
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 09:57:35 AM
just saw the walk-off granny

tough way for Scherzer to lose a W

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Touki Touissant gets the start for the Braves today.  I recal wanting Mwets to draft him a few years back (may have been the Conforto year)

1-1 through 3.  Alright, Tookster.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:33:54 PM
Maybe we will get a Phils update today.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 03:53:58 PM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 13, 2018, 09:23:26 PM
Maybe we will get a Phils update today.

heh

The Utes are resilient. But the rest of the month will tell the tale. Either it's midnight for Cinderella, already, or it's Rocky Balboa time.

Either way, Scherzer's no decision deserved.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
It wasn't quite the pitcher's duel of last night.

Who knew the Mets could play long-ball?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 01:50:14 AM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight

Twinbill?

Severino was not the pitcher the Yankees needed tonight.

And CC went on the DL.

Can the Yankees hang onto the top WC slot? Or onto a WC slot at all?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 02:04:18 AM
Talk of Sonny Gray starting Friday

Wow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 02:37:06 AM
https://twitter.com/AugustineMLB/status/1029074184213880832 (https://twitter.com/AugustineMLB/status/1029074184213880832)

Touki could be the real deal
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight

Twinbill?



1-Mets @ Yankees ESPN 7pm

2-BCS   AMC 9pm

twinbill delivered an entertaining night

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
Prayers for Leonys:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-indians-outfielder-leonys-martin-battling-life-threatening-bacterial-infection-220238551.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-indians-outfielder-leonys-martin-battling-life-threatening-bacterial-infection-220238551.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:32:32 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 14, 2018, 01:34:03 PM
Pavetta and VeeVee get the Sox starts.

Utes!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
I imagine Ruth is the easy one and also that he did that more than twice. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Come to think of it, I imagine Gehrig did that more than twice as well. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 01:57:54 PM
I would bet the Williams, Mantle and Bonds are also on that list.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
Maybe Foxx, Musial, Mays, Aaron
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
I'd imagine Albert Belle, A-Rod, Manny and Frank Thomas did it at least once. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Just checked: Manny did it once, Nomar just missed


Edit: Mays, Aaron both missed
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
DiMaggio (Joe) must have done it.  And more than once I'd guess.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 02:31:30 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:34:07 PM
probably too many ABs and not enough triples.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 03:05:15 PM
Highest Slugging was .621. Not Cobb.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
Norm Cash is  my guess from those unmentioned.

I figured Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, and Bonds.

George Brett would be a long shot.

Rogers Hornsby?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:59:08 PM
Norm Cash is  my guess from those unmentioned.

I figured Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, and Bonds.

George Brett would be a long shot.

Rogers Hornsby?

Hornsby three times, as I look at it.

Norm Cash made it in 1961.

George Brett in 1980.

Just putting this here for ease of finding it:
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 14, 2018, 06:13:06 PM
F. Robby?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:15:43 PM
I tried Carew, Boggs, and Carty. I really didn't think Carew would have a chance.

Boggs (.588) and Carty (.584) didn't make it on their slugging.

Carew was a bit further back at .570 or .446 in his two years in which his AVG and OBP made it. .446 is amazingly low for .364 AVG.
Boggs had three other years that made it except for slugging.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:17:50 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
.650 slugging. He was .029 short in 1911.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
 Nap Lajoie?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
I would bet the Williams, Mantle and Bonds are also on that list.

Mantle did it twice. (BS)
Williams did it twice. (That makes at least three people.) He also hit it in 1955, but while he got over 400 ABs he only played 98 games - not sure if that qualifies. (BS)
Bonds did it twice. (That makes four.) (BS)

Ruth was 8 times! He and Bonds were close to it for their lifetime stats. (YG)
Gehrig was 4 times. (That's six people who did it twice or more. Maybe he meant exactly twice?) (YG)
Jimmy Foxx 3 times. (That's seven!) (BS)
Hornsby 3 times (J)
DiMaggio once. (YG)
Manny once. (YG)
Frank Thomas once. (YG)
Belle once, in 106 games in 1994. Does that count? (YG)
George Brett once. (J)
Norm Cash once. (J)


ARod never made it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:39:04 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
.650 slugging. He was .029 short in 1911.

Reading glasses! I need reading glasses. (Well, no, just remembering what I was looking for - that was why I copied the thing!)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:47:34 PM
Nap Lajoie?

Slugged .643 his best year. Just shy.

Hank Greenberg? Al Kaline?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:52:10 PM
We're now at 13 of the twelve who have ever done it.

Or is it only 12 because Belle's 106 games don't count?

Bets there are more?

Seems like a good one to me, given the miss on how many had done it twice (three people) or more than once (seven).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
There are more.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 06:58:39 PM
Norm Cash was a helluva pluck.

I remember his '61 almost entirely for his .361 and batting title, his career year.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 07:00:16 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 07:21:59 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?

*
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 07:32:30 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?
Cork.

Though, of course, he used cork for most of his career, so it really does not.explain .361.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
I thought perhaps Shoeless Joe, Lefty O'Doul, Babe Herman, or maybe Al Simmons.

Babe Herman was a winner, in 1930!




Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
Only 8 more to go, folks...

Maybe he meant 22 of them?!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 08:08:04 PM
I got Larry Walker at 3 seasons (at altitude)

and

Albert Pujols once

struck out on Schmidt
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
Kimbrel makes an interesting game a little more interesting

good game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 14, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
The Utes looked good, but came up short. Go, Fish!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 09:59:27 PM
ahhhhright, Kimby
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
Kimbrel makes an interesting game a little more interesting

good game

3 games. 5 runs per side.

A Phillies-Red Sox World Series could be very interesting, if both teams manage to get that far - which it is far too early to predict.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
Hembree's kind of growin on me

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1029539364882313216 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1029539364882313216)

Heh - Odubel
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?

So, Kiid...

I'm up to 21 of them (post 1899). Did you invert the digits? And more than two who did it twice and a bunch of others with more than twice.

What gives?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
ataboy

https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html)

In other words, the Red Sox are the personification of Betts, who is threatening to join an elite group: Players who have finished a season with at least a .350 batting average, a .425 on-base percentage and a .650 slugging percentage. The last to do it was Albert Pujols and before that Barry Bonds. Others include Babe Ruth (eight times), Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, George Brett, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio and, of course, Larry Walker twice.



Never did like Passan (though in fairness he did say "including")

Oh well - gave you idiots something to do
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 11:28:10 PM
kid

It appears the only idiot was you in that you accepted Passan's information as accurate and complete without checking.

atta boy

keep on underperforming
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 11:38:23 PM
ataboy

https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html)

In other words, the Red Sox are the personification of Betts, who is threatening to join an elite group: Players who have finished a season with at least a .350 batting average, a .425 on-base percentage and a .650 slugging percentage. The last to do it was Albert Pujols and before that Barry Bonds. Others include Babe Ruth (eight times), Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, George Brett, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio and, of course, Larry Walker twice.



Never did like Passan (though in fairness he did say "including")

Oh well - gave you idiots something to do

Right. We're idiots because you misinterpreted something a sportscaster wrote, deciding he was complete and changing what he said while you were at it.

I take it that you are not up to trying to figure out the other 8.

That's fine.

I thought it was a good and interesting puzzle, despite the misleading (okay, bogus) clues.

Here's a clue. At least 3 people did it in the same year.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
Cool.

Some big names there

And yeah - Passan is a putz.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:11:30 AM
Another big night for Mr Happ, who Yanks gave up waaaaay too much for.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 12:28:53 AM
Who said that?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:48:49 AM
Sparks fly in LA

Hundley and Puig ejected
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 01:22:32 AM
Who said that?

Far more succinct.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
Scherzer is close to "Pedro in his prime" territory.

Scherzer's is probably my favorite non-Sox pitcher.

A related article in yesterdays Globe


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/14/chris-sale-measuring-peak-pedro-and-two-other-overlooked-red-sox-stats/GzIbiuIxxzjqPAE8XyQnWL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/14/chris-sale-measuring-peak-pedro-and-two-other-overlooked-red-sox-stats/GzIbiuIxxzjqPAE8XyQnWL/story.html)

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 03:34:43 PM
https://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/latest_2018_world_series_odds_red_sox_overwhelming.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/latest_2018_world_series_odds_red_sox_overwhelming.html)

Boston the big favorite to win it all.

But in the playoffs, pressure to wrap up a monster season becomes too great for some teams.

Either they win it all, or we find out who this year's version of Grady Little will be.

Vince Velasquez tries out his mound skills in a big games for the Utes tonight. He hits well, too. Which is what they need. Wilson Ramos reports for duty.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 04:39:19 PM
heh

persistence.

Off the top of my head, I think the '60 Yankees or '69 Orioles may have been the best pennant winners (edit--I saw) not to win their respective World Series.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
54 Indians?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
I meant to include "I saw"

but 111 wins and getting swept in the Series would have to be head of the Grady Little Division.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 04:57:42 PM
BETTS out of the lineup tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
1995 Indians?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 05:58:49 PM

 2011 Phillies?
 2015 Cardinals?
2008 Angels?
2004 Yankees? 2003 Giants and the 2003 Braves?
2002 A'? 2001 Mariners? 1998 Astros? 1988 Mets? 1976 and 1977 Phillies?

1995 Indians?

2008 Patriots?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
That's how I read it and why I didn't mention the 2001 Mariners.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 06:39:55 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
That's how I read it and why I didn't mention the 2001 Mariners.

Exactly, they did not win the AL pennant in '01.

I expected you and most others here understood the gist and didn't see the need to spell it out or dumb it down.

But the troll got to mention Grady Little and the '08 Pats, so he's happy but clueless.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
1995 Indians. 100 wins in 144 games. Shut down in the World.Series by umpires deliberately expanding the strike.zones for Maddux and Glavine just to spite me
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 09:18:07 PM
Mets sure did the right thing keeping Wheeler

Fuck those teams that tried to rob us.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 10:25:50 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.

Or even baseball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 10:34:37 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!

he had a cheesesteak in the clubhouse he had to get back to.

he's been first-pitch swinging alot lately
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
a night of squanders

too much Ramos

and too much Pom

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 10:43:13 PM
Wilson Ramos reports for duty.

And shows the Utes the way.

Great, and necessary CFB win, the kind that a young team needs in a season like this one.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
Aretha

God blessed you and you blessed us.

RIP
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 11:02:00 AM
If one believes in such things there must be a nice reunion taking place in heaven with Duane Allman.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 04:56:51 PM
Ys with bases loaded no outs squander in the 9th

taking notes from last night's Sox game plan
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 06:15:01 PM
Nimmo goes 5-5 yesterday, goes down today and nobody has said a word.

What - is fucking Acuna baseball's pet?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 06:51:49 PM
Mets screwing around with the pythag formula these last two games.

Gonna compute to a 85 win team

heh.

Did the Phillies know they had a day game today?

or too much partying after last night?

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
Oddly, at a game under .500 and 9 back I still haven't closed the door on the Nats.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 16, 2018, 08:17:20 PM
If one believes in such things there must be a nice reunion taking place in heaven with Duane Allman.

https://youtu.be/wta5GU3FNhA (https://youtu.be/wta5GU3FNhA)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 16, 2018, 09:08:21 PM
Real baseball is dead. Uruna gets six games for playing the game the way it's always been played. Braves whimpering reinforced.

Disgusting.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
Hoskins -

worst

shoes

ever
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:29:02 PM
If Urena appealed he might get it cut to 5

That it was first pitch of the game made all the difference.

I have no problem with the suspension.  The (MLB Radio) idiot Casey Stern called for 20 games - 5 is the way it has been, so that is proper at this point.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:32:54 PM
Swing the bat, Quinn, ya little shit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 16, 2018, 10:56:32 PM
Resilience.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 11:04:27 AM
Quote
Diamondbacks 5, Padres 1: If you placed money on “Some time in 2018 Clay Buchholz will pitch a complete game, allowing only one run on five hits, getting the win for a playoff contending team” before the season began you would’ve been arrested for suspected time-traveling and/or placed in a rubber room so you could not do any harm to others or to yourself. Yet it happened. He got five runs of support in the first inning, thanks in part to a David Peralta three-run homer, and other than allowing a Hunter Renfroe solo shot in the eighth, he was lights-out. Not too bad for a guy everyone thought was burnt toast not too long ago.

Speaking of resilience.

I'm glad for Clay, but I sure wonder what changed for him! Maybe the heat of the spotlights in Boston and Philly was too much, but with nobody paying attention in AZ, he's thriving?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 11:05:59 AM
its the dry-heat.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 11:11:29 AM
its the dry-heat.

It's the heat, not the humility?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 12:27:36 PM
its the dry-heat.

It's the heat, not the humility?

Sounds about right.

It was funny, early yesterday I scanned the games and saw Buchholz was pitching, and i had forgotten about him, so I looked at his #s, and had a "good for him" reaction.

And then he a CG win last night.

Good for him.

It seems it wasn't all that long ago "we" had him and Lester penciled in as our budding #1 #2 homegrown studs pitching and winning in Fenway for the next decade.

time flies.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 01:42:07 PM
Quote
Diamondbacks 5, Padres 1: If you placed money on “Some time in 2018 Clay Buchholz will pitch a complete game, allowing only one run on five hits, getting the win for a playoff contending team” before the season began you would’ve been arrested for suspected time-traveling and/or placed in a rubber room so you could not do any harm to others or to yourself. Yet it happened. He got five runs of support in the first inning, thanks in part to a David Peralta three-run homer, and other than allowing a Hunter Renfroe solo shot in the eighth, he was lights-out. Not too bad for a guy everyone thought was burnt toast not too long ago.

Speaking of resilience.

I'm glad for Clay, but I sure wonder what changed for him! Maybe the heat of the spotlights in Boston and Philly was too much, but with nobody paying attention in AZ, he's thriving?

You have to understand pitching

And adjustments

And health

Resilience?  Yeah, of course that is part of it.

Good story in the Globe about Eovaldi's transformation.  The cutter that WAS, then wasnt (after a trade).  Now it is again(after Eovaldi suggested it be revived).

Has gone from throwing 70% fastballs to much less than 50.

Yep, pitchers often have more than 1 or even 2 lives.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 17, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
Nola! Ring the bell! Utes get it done.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
Need one more
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 18, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
An A's- Phillies World Series...now, there's something to ask the baseball gods to bring us all!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
What Fall Classic would be complete without a football field lined out on the diamond?

Pop-up to the 30-yard line--can the SS call for a fair catch?


 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
An A's- Phillies World Series...now, there's something to ask the baseball gods to bring us all!

Longest subway series since 1962!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 18, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
What Fall Classic would be complete without a football field lined out on the diamond?

Pop-up to the 30-yard line--can the SS call for a fair catch?

Not if it's in foul territory.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2018, 11:32:21 PM
MISTER Price....

https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1031005049382731776 (https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1031005049382731776)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2018, 09:51:43 AM
Mister Price

pitched himself another good game last night.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
Rays avoid sweep and blank Sox 2-0

Indians come in for 4-game tea-party

first time these guys have faced each other this year

measuring stick for both teams.

should be fun.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 19, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Things are looking up. Miller is healthy, the pen has stabilized, and no one has almost died in weeks.

Martin was released from the hospital today, so I can officially joke about it.

Of course, Bauer is out for the foreseeable future, doubtful for a return before the post season. Schlesinger moves up to 3rd starter in the post season, if necessary.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
Bauer is already throwing.

I will say mid September if not sooner

One of my current favorites.  Great back story.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
Every year, some idiot........


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-nl-mvp-could-belong-to-a-pitcher-in-2018-with-three-great-options-on-the-board/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-nl-mvp-could-belong-to-a-pitcher-in-2018-with-three-great-options-on-the-board/)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 19, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
Bauer is already throwing.

I will say mid September if not sooner

One of my current favorites.  Great back story.
We can afford to wait on him, just.get him tuned up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
a little late inning drama, but not quite enough,

good CFBW for the Tribe
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 21, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Tribe whupped Sox tonight

too little too late

bump in the road, but its the first time since April they've lost 3 in a row.

and Allen flashed some leather in CF
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 21, 2018, 10:56:26 PM
Does Mike Rizzo keep his job?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2018, 10:47:53 PM
Sox perk up tonight and whup Tribe

10D's bases jammed double and the return of the long-ball ended losing streak

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 23, 2018, 04:20:47 AM
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/indy-ball-manager-gets-dramatic-after-ejection/c-291504730 (https://www.mlb.com/cut4/indy-ball-manager-gets-dramatic-after-ejection/c-291504730)

Butch Hobson's the manager. He remains a character, if a tad slower than he used to be (and he was never fast).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 03:37:40 PM
Price with another great outing.

8 innings 3 hit 7ks 0 BBs

totally in control
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 23, 2018, 04:31:15 PM
Scherzer-Nola duel.

Nola wins this one.

Next one, next week.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 23, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
Price with another great outing.

8 innings 3 hit 7ks 0 BBs

totally in control

That's two good outings against good teams. While it isn't post-season, it's better than the Yankees' being his daddy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
since that shit-show against the Yankees, Price has 7 quality starts (all Sox wins) and of those 3 were team shut-outs and 3 against pretty good teams, (Tribe, Philles, Yankees)

But as you sugggest, his real challenge will be in October
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 24, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
Heh

Throwing the ball as well as ever

Zero cause for concern.  Price should get the ball game 1 if Sale is not able

Making me some cash this year as well, which is nice.  (Traded for Price and a few others about 5 weeks ago)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 25, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
Well, that was no fun!

I mean, the Rays played a good game, but just not fun for a Sox fan.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2018, 09:50:11 AM
I think Mookie needs to get re-charged he's been flat for about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
And Tendi has been fat all year.

Guessing this winter he drops a few

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2018, 11:40:06 AM
most kids add muscle and pounds as they grew into their bodies.

As you mature from kid to adult you may experience that change.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 02:40:34 PM
most kids add muscle and pounds as they grew into their bodies.

As you mature from kid to adult you may experience that change.

*If
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 02:41:31 PM
The hope is that we can take advantage of their failure to get the extra point and catch them in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
And my hope is that you stop worrying about winning every fucking game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 07:59:07 PM
And my hope is that you stop worrying about winning every fucking game

You are too funny.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 08:01:25 PM
Why aren't AL pitchers plunking Kendrys Morales?

Discuss.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 08:15:19 PM
Mariano Rivera had TEN seasons under a 1.000 WHIP

That's remarkable

But he never went sub-1/sub-1 (Mo's best ERA was 1.38)

Blake Treinen currently at 0.98/0.97 (64 innings)

Nice trade Nats, especially since Doolittle is one of the poisons in your clubhouse.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 27, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
the lost week-end in Tampa Bay

there was nothing enjoyable watching games in that mausoleum with the players wearing those unis.

Snell was pretty good though.

But burn those f'ing uniforms
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 02:31:45 PM
Starting to look like 1978 in the AL East.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 02:45:23 PM
As long as Shane Robinson and Neil Walker are getting regular OF time, I'm not willing to run with a 1978 comparison.  Yet.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 03:08:08 PM
As long as Shane Robinson and Neil Walker are getting regular OF time, I'm not willing to run with a 1978 comparison.  Yet.

You never know. It could be Neil "Fucking" Walker or Shane "Fucking" Robinson is still to come.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 03:20:29 PM
No doubt.  Those things are unpredictable.  What's more concerning to me is the length of time it's taking you to post J.D. Martinez' Instagram musings.  You're losing whatever fastball you had left. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
No doubt.  Those things are unpredictable.  What's more concerning to me is the length of time it's taking you to post J.D. Martinez' Instagram musings.  You're losing whatever fastball you had left.

Maybe it's more you failing to recognize the curveball.

We could talk about the gay bashing ex-Nat Daniel Murphy and why he was nixed from the dysfunction that is the DC clubhouse, though.

I mean, if you're up for it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 05:19:35 PM
We could. The timing of the trade didn't make a lot of sense to me. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 06:20:36 PM
Cubs love him

Maybe they all hate gays too.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 06:28:16 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 06:39:15 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

But he is choosy as to who grabs him.

The Hamels trade the Cubs made was the bigger move, I think.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 06:51:16 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

But he is choosy as to who grabs him.

The Hamels trade the Cubs made was the bigger move, I think.
No argument.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 07:04:31 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

Bryant's back this week
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)

....but Mets playing hardball - want a half decent prospect
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 07:21:22 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

Bryant's back this week
We'll see.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 28, 2018, 09:11:18 AM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)

....but Mets playing hardball - want a half decent prospect

They'll take cash.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 28, 2018, 03:13:18 PM
As I said...https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-acquire-jose-bautista-mets-173211469.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-acquire-jose-bautista-mets-173211469.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 10:48:18 PM
I'm not sure you can win uglier than that.

but

AWINZAWIN
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 12:03:46 AM
I'm not sure you can win uglier than that.

but

AWINZAWIN

That was pretty ugly.

Kimbrell needs something. I don't know what - it isn't time off. Is he injured?

I thought they jerked the leash on BJ early - but nobody saw Matt's implosion coming.

But a win. breathes
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 06:50:09 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

https://deadspin.com/j-d-martinez-follows-in-the-footsteps-of-red-sox-great-1828687096/amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s (https://deadspin.com/j-d-martinez-follows-in-the-footsteps-of-red-sox-great-1828687096/amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s)

Trump must love these guys.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 07:41:31 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

Now you're defending bigotry?

Youre lost!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:52:10 PM
Troll

Your hypocrisy is extraordinary.

let's not forget one of your favorite rhetorical plays here, is to post Nazi-themed pictures in a pathetic attempt to salvage a debate you had hopelessly lost.


I'm not defending anything other than JD Martinez's right to own firearms and a right to free speech and the right to be an idiot.

I have no idea where you stand on those issues, but from your content you clearly hold firm to the latter, as your idiocy is in full bloom.


and i know you are not much of a baseball fan, and as you've demonstrated, you are an idiot, but in 2013 when Martinez posted the photo he was a Houston Astro.

You're truly an obsessed moron.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

"taken?"
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 07:54:04 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 08:12:53 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 08:14:58 PM

http://amp.tmz.com/2018/08/28/luis-gonzalez-john-mccain (http://amp.tmz.com/2018/08/28/luis-gonzalez-john-mccain)

What? Not Derek Jeter?

Oh, yeah. Jeter lost to this dude.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 09:17:43 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
that was a helluva 7th inning

may be close to a BP-proof game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2018, 10:01:55 PM
LOL

Tendi has to buy a case

Makes 3 outs in one inning
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
No one has ever made 3 outs in 3 ABs same inning.

So 10D's 7th inning may be pretty rare.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
14 run ofense and a win and my 3 guys get 1 hit in 8 abs (1 run, 1 rib) and allow 3 runs over 3 frames - instead of some knocks and a W

oy.......
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 08:02:44 AM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.

Fenway, a "Whites Only" park, is not only hitter friendly, with J.D. Martinez on the team, it's Hitler Friendly!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 09:24:12 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Happy 100th Ted

nice article by Shaughnessy
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
Willie and Hank say hello


Best player - MAYS

Best hitter - AARON
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
They should say hello, Willie would say "Hey", to the greatest hitter in the game on the anniversary 100th birthday

Agree on Mays

Disagree on Aaron

IMO Williams and Ruth were the best hitters

then maybe Gehrig, Bonds* Foxx, Aaron
 

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 04:48:23 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Ty Cobb.
Or Pete Rose, who faced much tougher pitching than your guy
As for Teddy No Ring, have draft beer. That way you get a head in it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
The head's no problem, its on ice.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24511476/happy-birthday-ted-williams-our-nine-favorite-stats-no-9 (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24511476/happy-birthday-ted-williams-our-nine-favorite-stats-no-9)


Some perspective

Using Williams' averages from his 17 non-military seasons, we can estimate his final career numbers had he not missed any time while in the service during World War II and the Korean War. The figures in parentheses indicate where they'd rank on the all-time list

1. Using Williams' averages from his 17 non-military seasons, we can estimate his final career numbers had he not missed any time while in the service during World War II and the Korean War. The figures in parentheses indicate where they'd rank on the all-time list.

2,332 RBIs (1st)
2,588 walks (1st)
6,020 times on base (1st)
6,202 total bases (2nd)
1,418 extra-base hits (3rd)
656 home runs (6th)
3,381 hits (9th)

2. Williams owns the record for career on-base percentage at .482. No active player has posted an OBP that high in any season. Joey Votto, the active leader in OBP (.428), could reach base successfully in each of his next 650 plate appearances and still not reach Williams' mark.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
Bonds - as a Giant - vs tougher pitching - .477
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:55:43 PM

Bonds - as a Giant - vs tougher pitching - .477
*
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 06:01:18 PM
Estimated stat = alternative fact.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 06:05:02 PM
Where's Teddy?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml)

Seriously, if someone offered you Henry Aaron or Ted Williams, who would you take?

To me, no brainer...Hello, Hank!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 06:20:40 PM
The discussion was best hitter.

So Ted and Ruth can be found atop the slugging and OPS leaders.

Singles are cute, but...


estimates are estimates and were so labeled.

But they are eminently reasonable.

And alternative fact, would be declaring so and so faced better pitching.

There was no evidence to support that, in fact I can think of several reasons to believe the reverse could be true.

If someone offered me Williams or Aaron's to hit the ball, or reach base safely, I'd choose Williams, as all the evidence supports the premise he was a superior hitter.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
Ortiz linked to gambling.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/david-ortiz-denies-book-claims-linking-gambler-betting-red-sox-004550539.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/david-ortiz-denies-book-claims-linking-gambler-betting-red-sox-004550539.html)

Aaron the better hitter and ballplayer. Everyone knows that. Everyone with a real sense of baseball history.

There is s reason Williams played in the Junior Circuit.

But back to Ortiz. He's very good at denial. First steroids, now the gambling.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
Oh-fer Tendeeee

Oh-oh-for-tennnnnnn-deeeeeeee.

heh- killin me
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 10:25:15 PM
Holy Blowin Betances!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 30, 2018, 10:31:32 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.

Fenway, a "Whites Only" park, is not only hitter friendly, with J.D. Martinez on the team, it's Hitler Friendly!

You seem not to understand - JD's meme was saying that Hitler said to get rid of guns, therefore we should not.

Dolt.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 30, 2018, 11:10:22 PM
From MLB on Stanton's 300th home run:

The milestone was reached in Stanton's 1,119th career game, making him the fifth fastest to the mark in terms of games played behind Ralph Kiner (1,087), Ryan Howard (1,093), Juan Gonzalez (1,096) and Alex Rodriguez (1,117). Harmon Killebrew was next on the list, at 1,137 games.

At 28 years and 295 days old, Stanton was the ninth-youngest player in Major League history to hit his 300th home run.

He endured a longer wait than Stanton might have anticipated after belting No. 299 on Aug. 18 against the Blue Jays. In the 10 games that followed, Stanton hit just .158 (6-for-38) with 16 strikeouts.

That came to an end as he rounded the bases and returned to the dugout. Loud cheers drew Stanton back up from the dugout, and he raised his batting helmet in his right hand to acknowledge the reception.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 11:22:11 PM
Yanks have landed ANDREW MCCUTCHEON

Wow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 11:25:12 PM
Going to Giants

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=avelin000abi (https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=avelin000abi)

with at least one other player

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 11:57:01 PM
another bolt of late inning lightening for the visiting Sox.

nice to see Mookie hitting again
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 07:15:43 AM
another bolt of late inning lightening for the visiting Sox.

nice to see Mookie hitting again

My spirits were certainly lightened by their 7th inning exploits, followed by the 9th, but I am pretty sure the word you're after is lightning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 08:32:51 AM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 09:36:30 AM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 09:38:33 AM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.

I posted a like thought elsewhere in a mostly y-fan thread, where the prevailing wisdom had been that Judge would be be playing by now

The new take was Gardy sucked and Stanton needed a break and its only a couple of low level prospects

I was going to have some fun and mention the deep depth that Ellsbury gives them, but...

I assume Judge is getting ready for 1 -game, after that who knows?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 12:40:07 PM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
You just root for these things, seemingly.

heh

Pretty good SS Yanks gave up.  Look forward to seeing him succeed Crawford.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 01:53:54 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD

What's the same every time is your complaining after your assessment has been kicked to the curb once again. Which it was.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 02:20:59 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD

What's the same every time is your complaining after your assessment has been kicked to the curb once again. Which it was.

What's the same is your gnawing inferiority and obssession with all things Boston.

You can believe and post whatever you like, and kick any post you do not understand to the curb.

But you only look like  clueless obssessed buffoon in the process.

you want to believe that Rose or Aaron were betters hitters than Williams, you are free to.

However almost all relevant stats and all baseball observers with a reasonable amount of knowledge would judge you a fool.   
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
You just root for these things, seemingly.

heh

Pretty good SS Yanks gave up.  Look forward to seeing him succeed Crawford.
Why would I root for this?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 04:05:52 PM
Look at bankshit chase his own tale.

Dude can't handle defeat.

No Grady Little to blame fir his stupidity.

Ha!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Look at bankshit chase his own tale.

Dude can't handle defeat.

No Grady Little to blame fir his stupidity.

Ha!

poor troll

his poorly articulated declarations have been repeatedly shown to be without merit, unsupported by facts and display his infantile grasp of the history of the game.

at least his inferiority complex is well founded.

SSDD

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 05:52:52 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

He was a great hitter. He was a great pitcher. Steals are lovely. Fielding is nice. But being a top of the line pitcher in both the regular season and post-season, then becoming a great everyday player? Few people did both positions tolerably well, even back in the day.

Maybe Newcombe or Ferrell could have gotten there in a different universe, but they didn't. Nobody is likely to ever touch the Big Train's best hitting year, but it was an outlier - and just not the same level of power.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 06:17:44 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of Williams birth and I posted he was arguably (along with Ruth) the greatest hitter in the game.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Happy 100th Ted

nice article by Shaughnessy

They should say hello, Willie would say "Hey", to the greatest hitter in the game on the anniversary 100th birthday

Agree on Mays

Disagree on Aaron

IMO Williams and Ruth were the best hitters

then maybe Gehrig, Bonds* Foxx, Aaron

And then Utley decided to dumb things down so he could participate.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
How hard is it raining?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Yeah, we did pay for Sale.  Hope we get a title out of it

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1035695202789453824 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1035695202789453824)

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:28:57 PM
How hard is it raining?

hard enough-

another 45+ minutes of rain
resumes around 11:30?

Ys CFBwin on controversial 8th inning rally

Donaldson traded to Tribe
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
I'm in Chicago. Rain is stopping
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 10:40:24 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
yank

Nice.

Long family week-end?

My internet "sources" are saying its still raining and Sox2 might resume 11:30-midnight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:47:38 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).

Ruth was a freak and not easily comped. But he and Williams comp as hitters.

IMO Mays may have been the greatest traditional 5-tool positional player.

Utley-- he enjoys the attention, abuse and losing arguments
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
Chi-Phi great game. The way baseball was meant to be.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 10:56:42 PM
Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 11:08:50 PM
Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove chuckle at the troll's ignorance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 12:32:43 AM
Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.

Such a bullshit argument. Hard to believe you are even bothering.

Aaron never had to pitch to anybody. He didn't have to pitch to players in Ruth's day. He didn't have to pitch to players in his own day.

Aaron's highest slugging average, as has already been pointed out to you, is lower than Ruth's career slugging average. And before you tell me about those pitchers that Aaron had to face, Aaron was only the highest in his own time in four years.

Mantle outslugged him over their careers.
Mays outslugged him over their careers.
Musial outslugged him over their careers.

Taking Aaron's best years from 1955 through 1973:
Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   
1955-1973   .312   .380   .574   .955

Mantle:

Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
1952-1966   .307   .428   .580   1.008   

There is no 6 or longer year period in which Aaron matches those numbers and even the two 5 year periods only match them in one of the four categories.

Mays led the league in SLG and OBA more often than Aaron did. So did Musial. (Aaron never led the league in OBA. Mays did twice. Musial did six times.

Musial hit over .350 five times. Aaron once.

Aaron? Feh.

Aaron wasn't as good against the folks he faced as his own peers. And he never pitched.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: luee on September 01, 2018, 08:02:26 AM
Mays was the best 5 tool and also a defensive beast. His numbers are somewhat hurt playing in Candlestick. But he checked all the boxes.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
poor troll

He loses an argument in every way possible and fully exposes not only his inferiority complex (well-earned) and his obssession with Boston, but his deep ignorance about the game, its history, the stats, everything.

Yet despite his thrashing he comes back for more.

the troll is scrappy.

As posted before the troll decided to dumb down this discussion, I think Aaron was a great player, among the greatest, but he's not really in the debate for the greatest hitter.

That debate has generally been reserved for Ruth or Williams.

I think a case can be made for either, and there are additional extenuating arguments that have to be made for both, though I tilt slightly for Ruth.

"As to the best hitters hit", yes, and thats why OPS, as already pointed out to the troll, is the best indicator, as it combines the several elements  critical to a hitters success, show patience, a good eye, an ability to hit, and get on base and ultimately score.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_career.shtml)

it captures the real goal of a hitter to put your team in the best position to score runs.

the troll does not understand this about a game so driven by stats.


Interestingly enough, on this leaders list, "Most Outs Made", neither Ruth nor Williams are on it, but lots of very good and some greats are on it.

Rose and Aaron then Yaz top it.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/outs_made_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/outs_made_career.shtml)

but you have to play a long time to fail so often.

The troll in that regard is the exception to the rule, he fails all the time.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 10:10:42 AM
As we say goodbye and God bless you to Sen McCain, an American hero, here's a story about McCain and Ted Williams, a fellow Marine, fighter pilot and veteran.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-30/john-mccain-loved-to-tell-this-ted-williams-story (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-30/john-mccain-loved-to-tell-this-ted-williams-story)

My favorite McCain story involved a tale he once told me about Ted Williams of the Boston Red Sox.

We were flying back to Washington on a small plane on May 20, 2002, from a commencement address he’d given at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. We hit some scary turbulence.

McCain saw the panicked look on my face and asked what was wrong. I confessed to being a nervous flier.

“I’ve crashed four of these,” he cracked. It didn’t put me at ease.

Then the celebrated former naval aviator, who acquired a reputation as a daredevil years before he was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and then spent five and a half years as a prisoner of war, recalled that whenever jet jockeys got together they would share old war stories.

The best one was about Ted Williams.

Williams, a Marine aviator during World War II, was called back into military service during the Korean War at the peak of his baseball career. He usually flew in formation with John Glenn, the future astronaut and senator. On one of his initial solo flights, Williams’s plane caught fire. He approached the airbase and crash landed, then jumped out just before the plane exploded.

For years, McCain had heard this story and wanted to ask Williams why he didn’t parachute out of the burning plane. When he finally met the baseball great, Williams explained that he was then 34 years old and figured that if he bailed out, he might break his knees and never play baseball again.

On that bumpy flight from North Carolina all those years later, McCain gleefully remembered Williams’s typically foul-mouthed answer:

“So I said, screw it, let's bring it in.” (Except that he didn’t exactly say “screw it.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 10:19:03 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:18:55 AM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 12:40:23 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
200 hit seasons.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 04:27:30 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

How bout that Darin Erstad getting in there....
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 05:08:08 PM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.

An irrelevant argument for Ruth.

An erroneous argument for Williams. Spin it any way you want to. If Aaron had been the Boston player and Williams played elsewhere, you would be defending Williams, pointing out that he went to war, twice, slugged and hit better, etc. Whatever, Utley.

A waste of perfectly good used electrons.

But you're only slightly more likely than Red to admit being wrong. (Or should I call him E in here?)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
Aaron at Fenway - wow - imagine that.

Reviewing a  few real good ones today - from Rose to Ichiro to Gwynn.  Tony was truly amazing.  And no telling if Ichiro had started in the States.......

Pete's more in my memory as a scrapper - a guy who loved and respected the game - a winner.  Gwynn really stands out.  Strangely Clemente is revered more than Tony.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".

Since when was Hank Aaron a singled hitter?

LOL
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 05:31:25 PM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.

An irrelevant argument for Ruth.

An erroneous argument for Williams. Spin it any way you want to. If Aaron had been the Boston player and Williams played elsewhere, you would be defending Williams, pointing out that he went to war, twice, slugged and hit better, etc. Whatever, Utley.

A waste of perfectly good used electrons.

But you're only slightly more likely than Red to admit being wrong. (Or should I call him E in here?)

Aaron couldn't play at Fenway. He wasn't white. They barely let Jim Rice play there.

Ruth v. Black ballplayers. Never happened.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 05:46:09 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".

Since when was Hank Aaron a singled hitter?

LOL

Moron are you aware of what you posted?

The majority of the single-season hit leaders were singles/doubles guys.

Of the 24 leaders hi-lighted (the photos) of the top 24 season for hits, focusing just on the modern era guys

Ichiro (3X)
Boggs
Erstad
Carew
Mattingly

Two will not make the Hall of Fame, and you use this list as the basis for the greatest hitters in the game.

ROTFL

No one would confuse any of those guys as candidates for the game's greatest hitters.

Except you, as you're a clueless idiot.

As posted several times for the greatest hitters you might want to refer to the leaders on the slugging and OPS pages.

or you can muck around in your feces.

SSDD

And FTR, moron, Aaron shows up #71 on your cherry-picked example.

your cluelessness knows no bounds.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
Williams doesn't show up at all on that list.

And for total hits career? Aaron is third. Williams???

Well, well out of the running.

Because truly great hitters like Aaron hit for power, and they have 200+ hit seasons.

In other words, to be a great hitters...get hits.

Back to your barstool, you've lost another.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:28:59 PM
Aaron was all class and made his teammates better.

Aaron played with death threats, and the crowd might spit in him or throw things at him.

Williams played for himself, and spit on the crowd.

No. That dude was fucked up.

Of course, I'm not the only one who thinks so.

https://youtu.be/VCJAmG7NZ_4 (https://youtu.be/VCJAmG7NZ_4)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:43:03 PM
Williams doesn't show up at all on that list.

And for total hits career? Aaron is third. Williams???

Well, well out of the running.

Because truly great hitters like Aaron hit for power, and they have 200+ hit seasons.

In other words, to be a great hitters...get hits.

Back to your barstool, you've lost another.

So you find the #71st ranked guy (Aaron) on a list and you think this is an endorsement of your cherry-picked list?

You're an idiot.

Williams is not on the list because he received a lot of walks, got on base a lot, and had the highest on-base & than amyone in MLB history.

He did not make the outs that other hitters made.

Hitters like Rose and Aaron who made more outs than any other players in MLB history.

Williams got on-base instead.

When he did hit, he hit for average and power, (and at superior average than Aaron)

Again one only has only to look at an appropriate universe of data, like slugging % or OPS. .

But I understand you are fully invested in your own stupidity and cluelessness to go outside your towering boundaries of dumb.

You're lack of basic understanding of the game is almost surprising.

Back to the gutter troll, to wallow in your most recent humilating spanking.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
You're still losing.

You won't win.

And the beatings will continue.

Great hitters get hits.

He's woefully lacking in that department.

High average usually means fewer at bats, is all.

Aaron didn't have power?

LMFAO!

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:53:13 PM
Troll you were TKOed yesterday

you are now punch-drunk and close to brain-dead and babbling idiocy

back to the gutter troll.

You got owned again
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:53:35 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:58:23 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 01, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 07:04:28 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.

A lot of people eat at McDonald's. Doesn't mean it's good food.

And Mays was better than Williams, too.

And neither Willie or Henry could hide being black, but the Spoiled Splinter HUD being brown.

Beatings will continue.

See ya, loser!

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 07:21:13 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.

I think the math and implications escape the troll.

He's not very bright.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 07:30:26 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.

A lot of people eat at McDonald's. Doesn't mean it's good food.

And Mays was better than Williams, too.

And neither Willie or Henry could hide being black, but the Spoiled Splinter HUD being brown.

Beatings will continue.

See ya, loser!

Troll

It was settled before you dumbed down this discussion that both Mays and Aaron were better ballplayers than Williams.

However, Williams by general consensus, and most metrics, was either the best or 2nd greatest hitter in the game.

I sort of understand your need to change the arguments you've hopelessly bungled and lost for the past 2 days. You feel humiliated again and you want to save face, however yours is not worth saving.

Besides its dishonest.

Enjoy your Happy Meal

and try not to lose the toy in the gutter
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 08:19:38 PM
TA----NAKA-----SANNNNN!!!!!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 08:58:14 PM
200 hit seasons.

No doubt about it, Utley, Aaron had three 200 hit games to none for Williams.

In Williams' 194 hit season, he was walked 162 times! BA .343 OBA .490 SLG .650
In Aaron's 223 hit season, he was walked 51 times. BA .355   OBA .401 SLG .636

In Williams' 193 hit season, he was walked a mere 96 times - more than Aaron was walked in any season of his career.
BA .344   OBA .442   SLG .594
In Aaron's 201 hit season, he was walked a 78 times - in 161 games.
BA .319   OBA .391   SLG .586

In Williams' 188 hit season, he was walked 126 times. BA 369  OBA .497   SLG .615
In Aaron's 200 hit season, he was walked 37 times. BA .328   OBA .365   SLG .558

13 times, Williams had more walks in a season than Aaron's most. But... Aaron had five seasons in which he struck out more than Williams' worst year.

Aaron got pitched to far more than Williams - he got more hits, while getting on less much less often and slugging less. I suspect that had Williams been pitched to as often as Aaron was, he'd have had as many or more 200 hit games, without worrying about missed seasons due to war. (Not WAR!)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.

Oh, look. Another member of the vaunted "Boston mafia."

Utley's so screwy about these arguments.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 09:14:11 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.

No, he's right - Ted hit far better at home than away:
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .361   .496   .652   1.148   
Away   .328   .467   .615   1.082       

Aaron was about the same home and away, overall (and not bothering to compare Milwaukee vs. Atlanta)
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .303   .379   .557   .936      
Away   .306   .369   .552   .921      

But Ted Williams' weaker performance still blows Aaron's performances away. Or home.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 09:59:30 PM
Another 0-8 for SuckTendi and Bogaerts

oy
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.

No, he's right - Ted hit far better at home than away:
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .361   .496   .652   1.148   
Away   .328   .467   .615   1.082       

Aaron was about the same home and away, overall (and not bothering to compare Milwaukee vs. Atlanta)
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .303   .379   .557   .936      
Away   .306   .369   .552   .921      

But Ted Williams' weaker performance still blows Aaron's performances away. Or home.

The only thing that the troll got right in his post was repeating Updike's reference to Fenway as a bandbox.

However, from a link that did not work, to evetually providing a link that was meaningless, to misunderstanding the nature of Williams as a pull hitter hitting into Fenway's expansive right field pasture, the contstruct of a bandbox really doesn't work. The cut and paste troll has surface knowledge at best. He's a parrot parotting, with no real understanding, just a lyric little squawk.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:14:55 PM
Nice return tonight by EdRo.

If he can stay healthy and pitch like that, the rotation, while left-heavy, gets a nice boost.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2018, 08:12:38 PM
Brian Johnson and RSox had nothing today.

interesting week coming up 3 v Braves

then home for 3 v Astros

Happy Labor Day folks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
Ys also have an interesting week+ w/3 @ Oakland, 3 @ Seattle and [email protected] Minny.

could add some clarity for post-season play a few teams
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
5-4.  No worries.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 11:02:33 AM
Found some old cash in a betting account and started running it up.  What a country!

Thanks, Mr Matz and Mr Lester - as well as Arsenal.

I wont bore you all with further detail.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 05:08:38 PM
20k down to 10  then up to 40

a 4-bagger

heh

well it took 8 pitchers and almost 200 pitches in a 2-run game

and the bats got hot and RISPY at the right time


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 05:36:37 PM
Hero Harper up to .246 (31-87)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 08:20:30 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1036769347887423496 (https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1036769347887423496)

Give me Phillips vs lefties in place of AB.  Kinsler to DH.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2018, 10:52:10 PM
Sox keep rollin'

nothing flashy good night for Pearce and Porcello and pen

just played some good hard-ball.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 04, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
Sox keep rollin'

nothing flashy good night for Pearce and Porcello and pen

just played some good hard-ball.

It's very nice to see Steven Wright back on the mound, these two games.

I look forward to seeing what Kiid's hero, Brandon Phillips, has in the tank.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Day game after a night game sounds like a good game to sit some regulars so he'll probably play tomorrow.

And as the division seems like a good bet, he may see a few chances to get minutes over the next couple of weeks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 03:47:27 PM
strange yet compelling game in Atlanta

Sox down 7-1
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 05, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
 Jeez that's got to be their most ridiculous win ever. The Nats are going to run down the Braves.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 04:01:38 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Red Sox
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Rd Sox

That was a stunning game in so many ways.

Wow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Rd Sox

That was a stunning game in so many ways.

Wow.

wow is right

I came in at 7-1

saw the improbable pinch-hitter driven 8th inning comeback

then the nut-punch go ahead Freeman dinger in the bottom of the 8th

and then the Phillips blast in the 9th

Acuna in left never budged, Phillips killed that ball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
Beni had a nice game - tip of the cap.

Sox front office with strong showing today (Cora hire - ----> handling of Phillips)

Best takeaway was the SIGH OF RELIEF from Braves radio guys (and later heard the TV call as well on Freeman homer) after Betts did not deliver go ahead RBI in 8th and Freddie put them ahead with the dinger.  They were super comfy til Dat Dude wrecked it.

Acuna didnt move.  Pitchers hate that.  Nice job, rook.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 05, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
Wow. Look who's number two: http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html (http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html)

And guess who's not on the list?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 06:58:27 PM
Today's quiz

Name 5 MLB players that lead their respective 2018 teams in HR, RBI and batting average
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
Add WAR to the list of baseball metrics the troll knows little about.

You really should try to read and understand the articles you post.


Williams rated as the 2nd greatest hitter on that list, is "overated" because his actual WAR of 126 (right behind Aaron at 132) was adjusted for the almost 5 years he missed, adding some 38 WAR points and 38/126 was the 2nd largest %  increase.

If you bothered to take a look at the stats and Williams WAR #s in 1942 and 1946, they averaged over 10WAR evey year. A reasonable adjustment for a young Williams coming into his prime for those 3 years (1943-45) would be in excess of 31. Then there is the Korean war years which would add roughly another 12 WAR.

Adding those reasonable WAR estimates place Williams as #1 WAR offensive player.

Aaron needed no adjustment for lost war time in his 25 years.

That's why he's not on the list, you moron.

You are so fucking dumb.

Williams OBP (#1 alltime) and OPS (#2) ranking, and .344 life time BA do not reflect adjustments, but what he did in his 17 non-military service years. .

But its good to know that Williams, Gehrig, Joe Dimaggio, Jimmie Foxx, Shoeless Joe and Ernie Banks are all overated because of some adjustment  that was never made to their (sorry Shoeless) Hall of Fame careers.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 05, 2018, 07:36:21 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 07:38:31 PM
Wow. Look who's number two: http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html (http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html)

And guess who's not on the list?

Quite entertaining.

He rejects the extension of the ELO rating because Ted's from Boston and therefore highly popular?!

Then he grants that the WAR's being increased for comparison purposes is appropriate because of the war non-WAR years.

Williams' WAR/PA is about 20% higher than Aaron's (though the person who compiled his list of those missed the boat).

Let me know when you find a scientific examination of the ELO ratings rather than an off-the-cuff social analysis. Meanwhile, keep trying to make Hammerin' Hank into something he never was.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.

I knew Jack Nicholson.

Jack Nicholson was a friend of mine.

You, sir, are no Jack Nicholson.

With apology to Lloyd's of Austin.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.

Troll

You lost this discussion a week ago and have only compounded your injuries with recent futile efforts.

You should probably lick your wounds and call it a day.

and read the article you posted, it doesn't say what you hoped it did. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 05, 2018, 09:26:04 PM
The beatings will continue...

Of course, in 15 or so years, you have yet to understand the game.

Heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check/braves-are-pretty-good-just-not-red-sox-good-and-that-expected/W6f3pmfrQhp6g86oBGWYyL/ (https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check/braves-are-pretty-good-just-not-red-sox-good-and-that-expected/W6f3pmfrQhp6g86oBGWYyL/)

"The Braves are good, but not Red Sox good - and that is to be expected."

Atlanta writer discussing the payroll gape.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 09:58:51 PM
The beatings will continue...

Of course, in 15 or so years, you have yet to understand the game.

Heh

Troll

You've once again been shown to come up empty in a discussion which was settled a week ago.

you are 0-for-a week, and have a .000 BA.  an .000 OBP, and .000 slugging % and .000 OPS.

you have struck out at every attempt.

You've changed your responses from Rose to Cobb to Aaron

you're getting warmer, but you're still wrong and are way out of your league

and i suspect you may know you're wrong, as you change answers and change the arguments, but your poor self-esteem can't deal with that.

tough luck troll, you got your ass kicked again

So while I kick your ass, feel free to comtinue to beat your pin-head against the wall, as that is the only beating you seem capable to administer.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 10:34:59 PM
the troll seems fixated on the topic.

I'm just exposing the fallacies of his every changing arguments.

He doesn't take losing arguments very well.





Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 11:13:55 PM
Severino got off to a rocky start against the A's tonight, though he looked much better in the 2nd inning.

One wonders if this will be another CFBW for the Yanks.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 11:51:43 PM
Its 7-0 in the 5th, and if the Ys CFBW it, they will steal win of the day from the Sox.

I'll have to be surprised by the score in the AM.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 12:05:57 AM
Its 7-0 in the 5th, and if the Ys CFBW it, they will steal win of the day from the Sox.

I'll have to be surprised by the score in the AM.

Goodnight.

I would not bet on being surprised.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 06, 2018, 09:23:05 AM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 06, 2018, 05:13:05 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.



Still winning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.



Still winning.

I gather you have learned that it is far easier to win when you play with yourself instead of with others.

Knock yourself out, Utley.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 10:12:07 PM
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Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 10:13:07 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 07, 2018, 02:44:07 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.



Wow.

I think you should delete this.  Please.

Okay.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 07, 2018, 02:55:13 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 07, 2018, 03:12:46 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.

Locus of control in action.

Wow.

I think you should delete this.  Please.

Okay.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 07, 2018, 09:42:16 PM
 Fucking Cora

Great time to have tryouts.

Owes Price an apology.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 10:53:11 PM
Dombrowski's aching Achille's heal acted up again.

those last 3 innings are gonna be tricky in October
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2018, 08:09:22 PM
turned on the game in the 8th at 5-2

almost a nice comeback in the 9th

a month ago JD doesn't miss those wannabe walk-off pitches

so close

right now Astros are better
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
test
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
Niiiiiiice play, Tendi

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 12:17:20 AM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.

A little heart-pounding.

While not the weekend series I might have hoped for, effective overall.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 10, 2018, 09:08:52 AM
Not sure I liked the call on the play at the plate.

Yeah...AL playoffs will be awesome this year, whether we see A's or Yanks joining Astros and Indians.

Had my +250 bet on HOU from preseason so I will stay with that.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 09:26:13 AM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.

A little heart-pounding.

While not the weekend series I might have hoped for, effective overall.

A little heat-pounding at the right times is ok.

I would have liked to see the Sox win 2 of 3, but all 3 of those games were in play to the end.

It was good stuff.

The takeaway though was slight edge Astros, and mostly because the bullpen.

I hope they're the ALCS match-up
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 09:30:24 AM
I'm pretty sure I had a Astros-Nats or Cubs WS, with Astros repeating.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 12:29:53 PM
Not sure I liked the call on the play at the plate.

Yeah...AL playoffs will be awesome this year, whether we see A's or Yanks joining Astros and Indians.

Had my +250 bet on HOU from preseason so I will stay with that.

Probably a matter of knowing how to act.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 10, 2018, 06:37:04 PM
Phadin' Phil's...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
Sox with some late inning lightning notch win #99

last time Sox won 99 games was in '78.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 04:03:25 AM
Sox with some late inning lightning notch win #99

last time Sox won 99 games was in '78.

Yankees followed that with a loss. '78 is getting further out of the thoughts of even the most paranoid RS fans.

Not over, yet, but it doesn't feel the same.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:20:49 AM
agreed it doesn't feel like '78

just brought uo '78 for the high-water 99 wins in my (as far as I know all here) life-time.

ftr was lucky enough to see the '78 99th in person, probably the most electrifying game I ever saw


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 11:29:59 AM
Feels like '75

7-8 game lead all through August.  Got down to 5 by 8/10 and as low as 3.5, closest Orioles got

Of course at that time there wasnt the cushion of making the WC.  And we had to beat just the one team (A's) - not 2 (likely Yanks and Astros) to get to the Series.

Eddie Armbrister.  OUCH.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
or to date, maybe like '07, got out of the gate fast, and held the lead to the finish.

stress level so far has been low

bigger ouch in '75 came from Vern Ruhle

and screw Larry Barnett
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 09:19:05 PM
Fuck

You

Cora!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 09:33:24 PM
Never mind.


You suck, Tendi!


- That's better
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2018, 09:47:25 PM
Sometimes I think your Kid moniker has nothing to do with Gary Carter.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
its funny considering I've watched this game for over 60 years that from time to time I still see something I've never seen before.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 10:05:24 PM
its funny considering I've watched this game for over 60 years that from time to time I still see something I've never seen before.

What did I miss? I had work between when they scored their run and the last two pitches of the game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:17:23 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 10:30:14 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.

I was a younger man.

Now I'm not.

The 100th win?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.

I was a younger man.

Now I'm not.

The 100th win?

Yup.

My kid just texted me with a "Woohoo!"

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 13, 2018, 04:42:17 PM
Congrats to the Red Sox on a great season. That World Championship is becoming the norm at Fenway, isn't it?

Wait.

The season's not over?

No playoff games have been played?

Okay.

Well congrats for making the playoffs, despite the weak division, of course.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
I think the discussion was about winning 100 games in the regular season.

I'm pretty sure there wasn't any talk of post-season victories.

Little premature.

although a few weeks ago there was some chatter about some parallels to the '78 season.

I think it was based more on hoped for future schadefreude. But that's just speculation. 

Since only the Phillies have fallen out of the post-season race,

As to the weak AL East, as is more often the case than not there are 3 pretty good teams in the division, one eh team in Canada and the Orioles who are having a miserable season.

So far the Sox are playing .721 ball in the division, but just .636 vs the AL West and only .600 vs the AL Central.

Of course that relative weakness is offset by the .824 (14-3) they have achieved vs the NL East. 

But the season's not over yet as they still have 3 against the Mets.

   
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
Speaking of the Mets, David Wright to call it quits, after one last cameo appearance to say goodbye.

He seemed like a good guy and destined for a potential HoF career.

I hope someone grooves one for him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 12:00:44 AM
Sox 55 games over for first time in 106 years.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:07:40 AM
Sox 55 games over for first tome in 106 years.

Not true.

They reached 56 games over twice in the 1946 campaign.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:44:57 AM
Congrats to the Red Sox on a great season. That World Championship is becoming the norm at Fenway, isn't it?

Wait.

The season's not over?

No playoff games have been played?

Okay.

Well congrats for making the playoffs, despite the weak division, of course.

Your irrelevant comment about the playoffs has already been responded to.

Duh, after the last two seasons we know very well that the playoffs are their own thing.

100 wins still doesn't happen often.


But your final comment is just jerky. I presume it's your usual chain-yanking. (Sorry, Yank!)

Nonetheless, a couple facts for you:

The Red Sox have won 61.3% of games against teams above .500 this season
They've won 76.1% against teams below .500.

Their rate against above .500 teams is good enough to win 99 games in a full season.

Only 4 teams in the AL have winning records against the teams with winning records. The Yankees have the second highest percentage, with Houston third, and Seattle fourth. Houston's won two more such games, while losing twelve more. Cleveland's got a 42.6% winning percentage against them.

Weak division? Houston's 14-13 against the AL East. Only 3 other external teams had a winning record against the ALE, and only Oakland had a very good record.

Of course, only three teams outside the ALW had winning records against them - but all three were ALE teams. (Only one outside team had a losing record against the ALC!)

The strongest NL record against .500+ teams won about 56%.

Yeah, your need to put down whatever the Red Sox have accomplished is duly noted.

As usual.

And wrongheaded, as is often, but not always, the case.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 01:22:56 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2018, 01:34:32 PM
or the most famous example 1954 Indians.

But the premise its "only flags count: is BS.

Most of us are watch and enjoy a sports where our teams rarely win a championship.

but we keep on watching, knowing there is only a modest chance of a champioship.

IMO its the game, skills, real drama, unscripted suspense and the sport.

The flag is a bonus.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.

Yesterday, I was listening to a discussion about who remembers what and how 100+ wins is meaningless without a ring vs. 100+ wins is meaningful.

The radio guys asked the caller to name the last winner of 100+ games and he couldn't. They understandably mocked him, since he was insisting it was important.

But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

Without the 116 wins, nobody remembers those Mariners, but even with them, mostly people remember that they lost, but not to whom or how or anything. Yeah, here I expect people might remember it. Or some of us, at least, but likely not all.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
or the most famous example 1954 Indians.

But the premise its "only flags count: is BS.

Most of us are watch and enjoy a sports where our teams rarely win a championship.

but we keep on watching, knowing there is only a modest chance of a champioship.

IMO its the game, skills, real drama, unscripted suspense and the sport.

The flag is a bonus.
I will gladly trade last year's win streak for Houston's rings.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 14, 2018, 02:35:18 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)
it's a.thin line between stupid and clever.  I had me a brain fart in memory of the late, great Ray Oyler.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.

Good point. Oops!

But nobody knows who that was, either, the vast bulk of the time.

The Mariners are more deeply embedded in our memories.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)
it's a.thin line between stupid and clever.  I had me a brain fart in memory of the late, great Ray Oyler.

Hah! Not a bad brain fart as such things go.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 14, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.

Good point. Oops!

But nobody knows who that was, either, the vast bulk of the time.

The Mariners are more deeply embedded in our memories.
Maybe.  But I think that because the Yankees were going for their 4th WS in a row that season (and 5th of 6), I think most baseball fans remember well that it was them that knocked the Mariners off. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 14, 2018, 05:40:03 PM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.

It don't mean a thing, if you don't get that ring!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 06:01:38 PM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.

It don't mean a thing, if you don't get that ring!

Doo wop, doo wop, doo wop!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 08:00:45 PM
Not the single most captivating performance by a Red Sox team this year.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Yeah......missed an easy bet tonight with Mets.

Could be a sweep.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
Meanwhile..........

YOU



SUCK



TENDI !!!!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 10:26:57 PM
Not the single most captivating performance by a Red Sox team this year.

Ugly by the 3rd. Still ugly in the 9th.

Tomorrow is another day!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 10:45:15 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 10:46:52 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday

Why on earth would I trust you?

And given who the Mets have starting tomorrow? No, thanks.

And... I don't only watch them when they are winning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 08:00:57 AM
I see Mets battering Porcello

But you are right.  Looks like an 8-7 type game - could go either way
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
Sounds like I picked a good game to miss.

and Tendi sucked again?

he's had a tough year.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 15, 2018, 01:16:33 PM
GLS starting early this fall.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
GLS starting early this fall.

Oh?

You're blaming Kapler for the Phillies' implosion?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 02:59:02 PM
Sox -260

Mets +210

I passed.

Took a stab at the NO bet on "will a team score in the first?"

Got Cubs -1.5 runs vs Reds, Lester on the bump.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
Jeeze kid, in a game you handicapped as a toss-up -110 game, if you can get +210 seems to me you gotta grab it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
You bet PITCHERS and consider hot/cold offenses and home/away.

Mets are hot - but lose the other 2.  Better spots for my cash.

I do figure Oswalt to be able to navigate the first inning.  Thus a small bet there at even money.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
I understand baseball betting.

and risk management.

If you handicapped the game as Mets -110, which is what you unknowingly did, and can get Mets +210, you should make the bet.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
You bet PITCHERS and consider hot/cold offenses and home/away.

Mets are hot - but lose the other 2.  Better spots for my cash.

I do figure Oswalt to be able to navigate the first inning.  Thus a small bet there at even money.

So much for that figuring!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
3 more walks for Bryce Harper.

Now has 116 BB to go with his 124 hits.

94-33-95-12
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 15, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
GLS starting early this fall.

Oh?

You're blaming Kapler for the Phillies' implosion?

Was there an implosion?

Who knew?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
Mets fans in force at Fenway

they all were away blue colored coordinated

it was nice

as was the bipartisan chanting in the 8th

heh

JBJ got jobbed

but alls well that ends well

good win

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Mets fans in force at Fenway

they all were away blue colored coordinated

it was nice

as was the bipartisan chanting in the 8th

heh

JBJ got jobbed

but alls well that ends well

good win

And the Yankees spin continued, too, though they got lucky with the Oakland loss.

Magic number = 4 with 13 to play.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 01:14:48 PM
Frozen computer prevented this before game time, but...

my prediction for today is that the Red Sox score more than 3 runs against DeGrom.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 02:00:29 PM
Bogaerts another off day
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 02:34:08 PM
Mets about to be 12-18 in deGrom starts

Cy Young advocates - sit the f down
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 02:41:19 PM
Bogaerts another off day

JD, too.

Cora explained his plan for doing this last week. With the day off tomorrow, he hopes the extra rest will make them fresher for the post-season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 03:02:03 PM
We are  basically fielding the Columbus Clippers today.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 03:53:18 PM
Frozen computer prevented this before game time, but...

my prediction for today is that the Red Sox score more than 3 runs against DeGrom.

So much for my prognostication!

Sox waited for DeGrom to leave before getting their 4th.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 04:07:56 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday

Like I said, why trust you on that?!

Two out of three. Not quite as good as the overall record vs. the NL, but it will do.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 04:26:53 PM
pretty good game

deGrom is good, but I'm not sure if I'd vote him NL CY. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Scherzer is an easy call I think.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 05:55:49 PM
or Nola.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Nola has cooled off a bit, I think, and if it's about stats I think Scherzer got the edge everywhere (last I checked and I could be way off there). If it's about the incredibly subjective "who's a better pitcher" test I think Scherzer still has the edge.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 06:15:57 PM
Scherzer has been my favorite non-Sox pitcher for the last few years. I really enjoy watching him pitch. But I was posting in response to he would be an "easy" CY choice.

Statistically I think its pretty close between him and Nola.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 09:43:37 PM
Wainwright turning back the clock tonight.  Scintillating breaking pitch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 17, 2018, 01:54:21 PM
Nola has cooled off a bit, I think, and if it's about stats I think Scherzer got the edge everywhere (last I checked and I could be way off there). If it's about the incredibly subjective "who's a better pitcher" test I think Scherzer still has the edge.

Nola outpitched Scherzer head to head. Twice. Within one week.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 17, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
https://m.herosports.com/mlb/player-comparison/aaron-nola-vs-maxwell-scherzer (https://m.herosports.com/mlb/player-comparison/aaron-nola-vs-maxwell-scherzer)

Close race.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2018, 02:18:48 PM
WAR can be whack

How is it Mikolas WAR is just 3.4 with a 15-4, 2.99 mark?

Wheeler 3.9 WAR and 11-7, 3.23

Corbin   4.7 WAR   11-5, 3.05
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 18, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
Updated World Series odds

Looking at CLE .... good buy there at 10-1

https://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/mlb-baseball_futures-world_series_2018.aspx (https://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/mlb-baseball_futures-world_series_2018.aspx)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 09:49:54 AM
It was 10D's fault
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 19, 2018, 06:45:12 PM
Shoe on other foot, Dems bury it

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/keith-ellison-domestic-violence-accuser-says-democratic-party-doesnt-believe-her-story.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/keith-ellison-domestic-violence-accuser-says-democratic-party-doesnt-believe-her-story.html)
Wrong thread, dummy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2018, 07:14:41 PM
It was 10D's fault

Calling 2 hits vs Severino tonight

AB!  AB!  AB!......
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2018, 09:14:02 PM
Betts catches that Voit popup

But great to see JD out there getting some jogging in