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Title: American League
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:19:55 AM
Discuss the state of the American League
Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on July 30, 2018, 11:53:13 AM
Testing, testing, 1...2...yankees suck....
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
Testing, testing, 1...2...yankees suck....

Yes, the system seems to work just fine.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Price tonight.  Good luck catching us, boys.

Tendi and Bogearts do need to heat up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 04:16:11 PM
So.... Mets are going to bring in Austin Jackson and not play him?

Idiots.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 04:18:40 PM
I think I take Frazier, Andujar, Adams for Degrom if you are offering, by the way.

Sox fans - dont bother - you cant match that.

Who plays third for the Yanks, you ask?

You tell me (if you want the deal)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2018, 04:31:39 PM
Much as I like DeGrom and as much as Adams seems to have fallen, I wouldn't do that. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 07:44:33 PM
Yanks-Twins with a solid trade

Austin wasnt going to be used - would have been a 40-man casualty

Twins get the 19 year old Rios (117K vs just 14 BB), who may have a future
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
Warren and Shreve gone - making room for Lynn and...........(TBD)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2018, 09:11:43 AM
Good to see Elba off the DL

Thanks liq

Welcome to Boston Ian Kinsler

Good game last night
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 09:40:27 AM
Great game, last night. Nola is an ace, but the youngest team in MLB showed their inexperience and gave away the game. Speed bump.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Yeah.  Pretty good team.  Really like Hoskins.

Odubel screwed the pooch on the Nunez liner.

Some MLB Network guys think Philly "announces themselves as serious" with deals today.

What position upgrade do you prefer?  I find iot fascinating Phils havent upgraded at SS.  Iglesias would be a great fit (Tigers only team to not have made a deal)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 10:08:26 AM
I wonder if Evvie felt any compassion with the Nats humiliation of the Mets last night.

Hope the Sox start hitting again, they've been in eh since the ASG break.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 10:14:12 AM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.

Arrietta is clearly Phils leader.

They say you cant lead from an every fifth day situation, but its worked in the past with some teams.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.

Arrietta is clearly Phils leader.

They say you cant lead from an every fifth day situation, but its worked in the past with some teams.
One of the leaders, and certainly for the pitching staff. Believe it or not, the kid Hoskins is the leader in that young clubhouse.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 01:04:35 PM
I do agree it was a huge win for Phils

Mets are currently giving Nats a head of steam (Rizzo did as well when he dealt basically nobody).

Even today with Syndergaard - Nats up 3-zip already

For thiose who dont wish to look:

Loss column:

Braves
Phils  -1
Nats  -6

Overall

Phils
Braves  -0.5
Nats     - 5.5
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 02:20:05 PM
Jose Reyes becomes the first player in history to allow 6 runs in an inning and then homer from both sides of the dish the next game he appears (as far as I know, that is)

3-2 Nats after 8

Nats DUMPED Shawn Kelly, who threw a hissyfit last night upon beimng used with a 24 run lead (Kelly had allowed just 1 earned run since June 23, but 3 last night)

Interesting move, as they replace him with a rookie first time up guy.

Trying to fix that chemistry......
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
Regarding chemistry. WTF is with the Astros bringing in Ocsuna?

Bad move.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
I could envision


a)  Major protests

and

b)  Luhnow deciding not to use Osuna after all


- or none of that.....

Interesting situation indeed.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
I just don't know how the gm thought he was improving the team. The players now have to answer all these questions, it's a distraction to them and puts the manager in a bind, and more. Very strange decision.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 05:42:02 PM
From TSN: The Astros manager said he wasn't sure how the clubhouse will react when Osuna joins the team Friday in Los Angeles to face the Dodgers.

"I met with our team shortly after the trade went down and I just told them, 'Feel how you're going to feel'," Hinch told MLB Network on SiriusXM Wednesday.

Osuna has been serving a 75-game suspension as a part of MLB's domestic violence policy but can be activated Sunday. He was arrested and charged with assault May 8, with his last MLB appearance May 6.

"It's going to be an emotional time for him, it's going be an emotional time for our team," Hinch said. "I know there's reactions all over the place. I think a lot of us, especially in our clubhouse, just don't really know what happened, what to think. We don't even really know the court case, court dealings.

"He's not somebody we've had in our clubhouse before."


The Astros have come under fire for acquiring Asuna, especially since he court case has not been resolved yet (his attorneys were in court again Wednesday in Toronto).

He could be due back in court Sept. 5, as the regular season starts to wind down.


"Feel how you feel"? The clubhouse doesn't "really know what happened", which means details to follow, and more questions for all of them. And a Sept. 5 court date?

So now the whole team has the carry this baggage to the finish line.

I don't get this move.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:23:12 AM
and the battle and hype ratches up as the Sox and Ys meet for a 4-gamer @ America's favorite ballpark.

tonght CC v Sale Johnson
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Barton on August 02, 2018, 11:17:26 AM
JOSH -

Just a heads up....

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=t8b4j6qmu9m4hpm9vho70h8k24&action=profile;u=1164

This account, and others that end with "phome" and all listed as "Male, Age 39" in their profiles, are spambots.  Don't know if you have the power to delete them, but you might save a lot of mopping up down the road if you can.  I'm a web admin elsewhere on the web, and am familiar with these.  Also, if you want to pass this along:  threads that were inactive for years, and are now empty, are spam magnets.  If they are thinned a bit, or just locked, it will save some grief.  Or we can keep waiting for that magical day that Latin American Literature and Pets comes back to glorious life.  "My dog has no nose..." 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
Happ to DL.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 09:57:58 PM
playing long-ball at Fenway tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 02, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
CFBW's are fun to watch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
Sox down 4-0 and didn't quit.

Good CFBW
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:51:24 PM
nice to see the top of the order get on base

couldn't smell a hit against Phillies

1-to-5 got base 20 times (16 hits)

outrageous
Title: Re: American League
Post by: luee on August 03, 2018, 04:52:18 AM
Yanks still need starters.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: evvie on August 03, 2018, 08:12:49 AM
I wonder if Evvie felt any compassion with the Nats humiliation of the Mets last night.



I died.

I mean, I've complained about our pitching, but that was just too much!

I was glad I wasn't there.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 03, 2018, 09:45:00 AM
Resilience.
The capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.

The key to winning the marathon that is a baseball season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 10:09:04 AM
Yanks still need [A STUD] starter...

Fixed
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
Resilience.
The capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.

The key to winning the marathon that is a baseball season.

Okay

Now define

shortstop

and

closer
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 08:00:57 PM
JOSH -

Just a heads up....

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=t8b4j6qmu9m4hpm9vho70h8k24&action=profile;u=1164

This account, and others that end with "phome" and all listed as "Male, Age 39" in their profiles, are spambots.  Don't know if you have the power to delete them, but you might save a lot of mopping up down the road if you can.  I'm a web admin elsewhere on the web, and am familiar with these.  Also, if you want to pass this along:  threads that were inactive for years, and are now empty, are spam magnets.  If they are thinned a bit, or just locked, it will save some grief.  Or we can keep waiting for that magical day that Latin American Literature and Pets comes back to glorious life.  "My dog has no nose..."

I will be cleaning up the threads regularly. If/when I get the ability to ban them and their IPs, I will do that, too, but thus far it is not an option.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 09:47:01 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

The Pedro game was the best game I've ever seen a pitcher pitch, with the Chili Davis hr (RF-yankee stadium) the only hit Pedro gave up that night.
17ks no walks.plunked Knobby.

Porcello not nearly as overpowering, but very efficient, and just throwing strikes.

real nice game.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 10:33:28 PM
The New York Daily News made this observation about Chase Adams' start tomorrow at Fenway:
Quote
The Red Sox’ powerful lineup, which leads the majors in OPS (.796) is a tough first assignment in the big leagues for any pitcher, let alone one making his big league debut.

Their editors must work in the Department of Redundancy Department.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 03, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

The Pedro game was the best game I've ever seen a pitcher pitch, with the Chili Davis hr (RF-yankee stadium) the only hit Pedro gave up that night.
17ks no walks.plunked Knobby.

Porcello not nearly as overpowering, but very efficient, and just throwing strikes.

real nice game.

Oh? Mids this game?  https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201010060.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201010060.shtml)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 03, 2018, 11:28:36 PM
The New York Daily News made this observation about Chase Adams' start tomorrow at Fenway:
Quote
The Red Sox’ powerful lineup, which leads the majors in OPS (.796) is a tough first assignment in the big leagues for any pitcher, let alone one making his big league debut.

Their editors must work in the Department of Redundancy Department.

They fired all their good writers.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
I've seen lots of no-hitters, but I've never seen a better pitched game, nor a more dominant performance, than Pedro's when he pitched against the Ys in '99.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 11:35:35 PM
https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/pedro-martinez-blanks-indians-in-alds (https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/pedro-martinez-blanks-indians-in-alds)

This is probably the most amazing pitching performance I can remember having seen. It wasn't a complete game or close to it, because it was a relief appearance in the 4th, but it was the guttiest and most dominating, especially under the circumstances.

I've probably seen better complete games - the no-hitter against the Red Sox this season was mighty dominant.

But Pedro, with nothing over 90mph available, with those 6 innings of no hit ball just sticks in a way few other games ever have stuck with my feeble memory.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 11:07:11 AM
that was a helluva gutsy performance and that game came a month after the 1-hitter

its a amazing he snuffed a great line-up Tribe team with no heater

Pedro could pitch.

good call.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Yanks need to do everything now to set up for the wild card game, including figuring out who they want to pitch

Right now without any doubt it is TANAKA, if they are thinking straight

I'm excited to see ADAMS, who I would have taken as a Met - today.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
Another quick on in Boston

Still cannot believe Sox gave up prospect Beeks to get Eovaldi

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
Who questioned that trade? Heh.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 05:20:12 PM
Yanks need to do everything now to set up for the wild card game, including figuring out who they want to pitch

Right now without any doubt it is TANAKA, if they are thinking straight

I'm excited to see ADAMS, who I would have taken as a Met - today.

So far, he's slightly better than Severino was yesterday, both in runs and in pitches thrown. Better than they might have feared if not as good as they likely had hoped. "Better than Severino was yesterday" is not a high bar to clear.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
Who questioned that trade? Heh.

Same trade as Britton

- but you liked Shreve, I get it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
Not the same trade as Britton. Not even close. You're becoming more of a troll daily.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:22:56 PM
I posted my reasons about why I thought Britton wasn't a great move and in so doing acknowledged the "keeping him from a competitor" argument was a compelling one. Feel free to go back to them. Oh. You can't? Tough shit. Troll.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Actually, you never did.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

I thought the Red Sox needed Eovaldi.

Didn't you?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:34:24 PM
Say what, Cash?

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman)

White Sox, Astros, Twins, A's. Phils, Mariners all play Sox tougher this year than NY
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:35:59 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.

I will look

@onetitlesince00, right?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:38:58 PM
How'd you guess?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:48:10 PM
alittle bit of added drama

alls well that ends well.

Eovaldi was a stud.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:55:09 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

The deals were not identical.

Britton was an established star closer, Eovaldi more of a lottery ticket starter.

Sox got priced out of the reliever market but could pick-up an end of the rotation starter who might be moved to the pen, or allow someone (Pom) to be moved to the pen.

Britton had a deep market

No one else wanted Eovaldi, which is why the Sox could get him.

and fwiw when I put forth the Ys keeping Britton away from Sox/Astro's was a tangible benefit, a return response disagreed with me.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:58:31 PM
Say what, Cash?

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman)

White Sox, Astros, Twins, A's. Phils, Mariners all play Sox tougher this year than NY

Cashman sounded like Rex Ryan crying about the Pats.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:00:09 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need. But dammit, it's all on my Twitter page.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 07:03:54 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

I thought the Red Sox needed Eovaldi.

Didn't you?

It was obviously a great add.

What I thought isnt the issue
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:06:09 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.

Closest I can come is Kid's complaining about the press being drawn to shit in their reporting about Josh Hamilton and your response to that.

I don't currently see anything archived from the AL forum later than 2012.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:10:20 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
I always acknowledge and reject that argument. I don't think any team is good enough and wise enough to focus on another team's needs at the expense of their own.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
I always acknowledge and reject that argument. I don't think any team is good enough and wise enough to focus on another team's needs at the expense of their own.
[/quote

Now I'm confused, you've said you found it a compelling argument and now one you reject.

But I agree focusing on your own team's needs, and addressing them is a simpler and more effective strategy than to try and out-maneuver what an oppponent may do.

But I also think Cashman feels he's playing chess while everyone else is playing with themselves.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
Would you prefer I said "compelling, but ultimately rejected"?

Cashman has the touch of arrogance that all good GMs have to have.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
I thought you rejected my opinion of Cashman's Machiavellian designs, right off the bat, which was why I was surprised today when you used the word "compelling".

NBD. 

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 07:42:48 PM
YG feels one deal precludes another.  I disagree.

Dillon Tate may end up a big leaguer

But his 1.6 WHIP just 2 years ago might say to bet the other side.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."

if you accept some of that reasoning, and believe as you seem to believe that the Ys did not need Britton, but a starter, then Cashman's trading for Britton to lengthen an already deep BP but to also keep him from the Sox and Astro's does not seem a huge leap to accept. And its about impossible to tell which was a more important factor.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:57:58 PM
We were talking about and  Kid was trolling about why I didn't think the Yankees needed Britton and why if I were GM I wouldn't have gotten him. I have no idea why Cashman did it. Keeping the Red Sox and Astros from him likely played some role.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:07:23 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."

I think the Yankee wanted Britton to HAVE Britton.  To have another guy they can trust in the eighth inning and a better one v one lefty vs tough lefties down the stretch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Indians-Angels on - and I can honestly say I have ZERO interest.   Funny.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 08:10:46 PM
And we're  back to the initial argument(s).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:21:25 PM
Dude - the issue is your not thinking Yanks benefit from Britton

You have yet to make that case.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
Then again....

we have to wait to see when Yanks actually have another lead for him to come in to.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:24:32 PM
Got some baseball people shaking their heads tonight at not relenting to Mets demands on Wheeler.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
From MLB:
Quote
Eovaldi's first impression with his new team has been about as good as possible. He hasn't allowed a run over 15 innings in his first two starts for the Sox. The last time a starting pitcher was unscored upon in his first two starts for Boston? Vaughn Eshelman, who did it in 1995.

That's the late Vaughn Eshelman to you. He died on July 24th, 11 days ago, at age 49 - liver disease. He'd had a transplant in March, but never finished his recovery. His older brother and best friend, Kyle, died at age 40. That's a ton of young death for a family.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 10:30:18 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)

Pai-Mei's 5-point palm-ball exploding heart technique claims another victim.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 11:28:31 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)

Amazingly silly.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 05, 2018, 09:15:04 AM
Efflin wins again.

Rolling, rolling, rolling...Nola keep it rolling...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 01:51:25 PM
Asdrubel at short

I like Miami today
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 05, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
I liked Asdrubel today.

On the road again...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
Whew - this one's on Cora.

Price needed to be done on the Gardy single.

And is Hembree really your best there?

If it was 2 games to 1 rather than 3-0 Cora's team is given better by his MGR, I have to feel.

Well done, Yanks.  Betters your WC chances.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 11:03:55 PM
Whew - this one's on Cora.

Price needed to be done on the Gardy single.



Yup.

It was short leash time. Cora messed up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:29:44 PM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 11:36:39 PM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 12:10:16 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 12:27:38 AM
ooooooooooooooooooooops
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:32:27 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 12:36:27 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't

I was agreeing and teasing Kiid.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:39:07 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't

I was agreeing and teasing Kiid.

my bad

I assumed that kid was responding to me.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:50:50 AM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

that was a nut punch win!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 01:01:59 AM
Jessica Mendoza predicted the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 06, 2018, 07:46:43 AM
From the NYT: — As the Yankees trudged off the field in the wee hours of Monday morning, several of them took one last peek across what had become a bandbox of horrors, catching a sight of the Boston Red Sox mobbing Andrew Benintendi near first base.

It was his hit, a ground ball up the middle through a hole in the shifted defense, that delivered the final devastating blow to the Yankees in a weekend full of them. It brought home pinch-runner Tony Renda, whose headlong slide across the plate sealed a 5-4, 10th-inning comeback win that served as an exclamation point on a four-game sweep of the Yankees.

Instead of leaving the field with a modicum of momentum, and perhaps a sense that they were pulling out of an ill-timed funk, the Yankees dropped to nine and one-half games behind the Red Sox in the American League East. But they weren’t ready to admit that they had kissed their hopes of a division title goodbye.

“A tough way, obviously, to end a tough weekend,” Yankees Manager Aaron Boone said. “But we can’t let this define what’s been a great season for us.”


"Bandbox Of Horrors".

Truly.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 06, 2018, 08:07:30 AM
Jesus comes down off hid cross:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/a-weight-has-been-lifted-off-bryce-harper-and-hes-ready-for-the-nationals-final-stand/2018/08/05/9da15c26-98d9-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/a-weight-has-been-lifted-off-bryce-harper-and-hes-ready-for-the-nationals-final-stand/2018/08/05/9da15c26-98d9-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html)

FTR, Rizzo wad NEVER going to trade him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 03:00:15 PM
Indeed, truth, Ut.

I said so at the time.  Media ran with it off some miniscule info.

Harper carrying this club to the playoffs is a nice story.  Hope he gets there.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 07, 2018, 12:33:02 AM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 12:59:29 AM
There is no baseball karma

Osuna gets W in first HOU appearance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!

1978.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 07, 2018, 12:33:15 PM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!

1978.
Beat me to it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
heh

'78 was a great season, and a great race, and has become the St. Jude of baseball seasons to some to pray to.

But it was more like a crucible preparing the soul for the real trying times like '86 and '03

fwiw I and most other sportsfans call upon Saint '04 when the night is at its darkest and the task at hand seemingly impossible
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 02:45:26 PM
heh

'78 was a great season, and a great race, and has become the St. Jude of baseball seasons to some to pray to.

But it was more like a crucible preparing the soul for the real trying times like '86 and '03

fwiw I and most other sportsfans call upon Saint '04 when the night is at its darkest and the task at hand seemingly impossible

Reading too much into it, as usual.

My point is for the Bosox fan to stay humble, as great regular seasons often do not translate into championships.

Perhaps, then, I should have referenced 2011 Phillies, the 2015 Cardinals, the 2008 Angels, the 2004 Yankees, the 2003 Giants and the 2003 Braves, 2002 A's, 2001 Mariners, 1998 Astros, 1988 Mets, the 1976 and 1977 Phillies.

I hope you can grasp that which seemed to have escaped your comprehension before.

No one has ever won the World Series in August.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.

There was no boasting in my post, just a reflection upon the pain of races past.

and in Josh's post which gave an accurate update of the 2018 AL East race he did not claim the pennant. 

So your retort is one large false narrative.

As usual you come to provoke, and you end up as a bloodied fool.

And fwiw, 1964 probably remains the platinum standard of pennant collapses.

Likely before your time, though
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 10:15:43 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.



No. You didn't.

You fucked up.

And now that you know the intent behind the original post, you try to save face.

You haven't won shit, yet, so calm down.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.



No. You didn't.

You fucked up.

And now that you know the intent behind the original post, you try to save face.

You haven't won shit, yet, so calm down.

troll your use of "1978" was meant as troll, as thats all you do
you said nothing else but "1978"

it was as illuminating as red's typical "LOL" when he hasn't a clue, but feels he needs to respond

but its just the empty laugh of a trolling idiot, just like you, you dumb fuck troll

and I responded to your 1-word essay, in context of 1978 as a memorable season

and neither Josh or I clamed a pennant

learn to read you moron.

1964

and you know what the best thing about the Phillies historic choke in 1964?
 
If the Philles had won and not choked losing 10 in a row, and pissing away the pennant to the Cards, David Halberstam probably would never had the interest to do a follow-up classic to his 1949

now go fuck yourself


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 10:36:22 PM
lotta late inning lightening in Toronto
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 11:02:41 PM
that Sox BP!!!

yikes
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 08, 2018, 07:57:28 AM
I see banks still can't read what was clearly written. But he can still easily overreact. What a hypersensitive twit.

And still no team had won the World Series in August.

Meanwhile, in the league where they still play the game the way it was intended, the Philly Utes earned another win, behind Nicky P.

Rubber game today.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 08:05:54 AM
what was clearly written?

heh

1964
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 08, 2018, 09:33:55 AM
Thinnest skin on the fora. You really should get some professional help. Your displaced anger here is boring. And pathetic.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
heh

troll you really should buy a speck of a clue and some security, as you are a clueless insecure asshole.

Josh gives an AL E update and you respond "1978"

And i post about 2 sentences about the '78 season from my perspective

and then you manufacture false narratives and accuse others of having agendas and thin-skins.

TFF

you're fucked up
 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 10:14:48 AM
On Sunday, Kid, because he knows things, and  in yet another attempt to show me wrong for expressing my problems with the trade, noted what was just an okay inning pitched by Britton against the Red Sox with a rhetorical question as to who that pitcher was. 

Is Kid going to ask the same question this morning? 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 11:10:05 AM
yank

I'm getting a sense of deja vue

not the best night for Kimbrel or Britton.

more concerned with Kimbrel

Sox BP is clearly their Achilles heel
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 11:21:23 AM
I think the Red Sox have a lot of very good arms in the bullpen and in the event of a total meltdown by Kimbrel they can find somebody else to handle that role.  I think the "traditional" closer role is probably the easiest role in baseball to fill on stop-gap basis. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 11:33:56 AM
They have a lot of guys who throw 95+, but very few who seem to deliver a clean 1-2-3 in late innings.

Last year Kimbrel was a lock, this year not so much. He's had problems with his breaking ball, making sitting on his heater a problem.

Barnes has been pretty decent but Joe Kelly, who was pretty good for the first couple of months, regressed.


They could use another dependable guy, as winning with late run offensive bail-out explosions is not the post-season model you want to count on.

I wonder if/when E-Rod comes back, he returns, at least for awhile as a BP guy, or maybe Eovaldi.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 12:41:07 PM
Disagree with YG

I find it puzzling Red Sox do not have a substituite closer on the roster - someone who has handled duties before (Thornburg does have 13 saves in his career, but thats it)

Eovaldi might be a candidate but appears to beneeded as 4th starter.

Matt Barnes the likely guy.  I like him, but thats an anything can happen scenario (could be quite good, could be a mess)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
John Axford, a dreadful pitcher, had 46 saves one season.  Finding a closer shouldn't be that hard.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
Yank-I'm not as confident that good closers are as readily available.

That the Ys have 3 closers may have skewed your opinion.

And it seems, barring injury or catastophre,  the sox have made their bed with Kimbrel, but they may have to bolster the pen with some other additions or sleight of hand.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
I'm not sure I said that proven good closers are available, but rather guys become good closers out of a sense of desperation all the time. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
John Axford, a dreadful pitcher, had 46 saves one season.  Finding a closer shouldn't be that hard.

Degrees, my friend...

Degrees.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
I'm not sure I said that proven good closers are available, but rather guys become good closers out of a sense of desperation all the time.

I'm not sure that trial and error was a key component to Dave Dombrowski's pre-season approach to the '18 bullpen.

And I don't think the Sox are at desperation yet. Hopefully, from their perspective, they continue to get solid starts most nights, Kelly gets right, Barnes stays reasonably reliable, and whatever curveball funk has funked up Kimbrel is fixable. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
I think Kimbrel will be fine, but if he's not I don't necessarily think it's cause for despair.   Remember in 2013 it took one closer's injury and a second's bout of ineffectiveness before the Sox lucked into Koji as a closer. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 04:51:02 PM
Again - making my point

Uehara had saved 32 games in a season for Yomiuri - then had 13 for the Orioles when put in that spot for just six weeks in 2010.

They had him in the garage - in case he was needed.  Dont know about the luck part.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 08, 2018, 11:39:21 PM
Delusional banks showing he's worried Bosox will blow up in post season. Little early for that kind of panic.

Heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 08, 2018, 11:39:31 PM
Talk about being misunderstood!

My comment was harkening back to the mindset of Bostonians everywhere when we knew our team could and would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

When every minor issue was proof that Chicken Little was right!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
The delusional troll wrongly accuses me of both claiming victory in August and panic.

the troll is nothing if not clueless

but mostly nothing.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 10:55:52 AM
Delusional banks showing he's worried Bosox will blow up in post season. Little early for that kind of panic.

Heh

Blow up how?

I think Sox will hit.  Maybe Sale is out, you foresee?  Pomeranz is used - and sucks? (yeah, more believable)

If they lose it will be close and likely well played - and tip of the cap to the (insert team that played better here)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
If Eddie R comes back and pitchs as he did, pre ankle sprain, and Pom continues to suck, he  will not be a post-season starter.

Sale-Price-Porcello-Rodrriguez or Eovaldi

depending on line-up might want another RH starter= Eov and ERod to BP.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
Talk about being misunderstood!

My comment was harkening back to the mindset of Bostonians everywhere when we knew our team could and would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

When every minor issue was proof that Chicken Little was right!
I thought his name was Grady.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:54:45 AM
heh

Grady did his best work on Bull Durham.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 12:30:13 PM
HOU still the team to beat.

Especially now with Osuna, who looked very very good the other day

(Not that they needed him - heh)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
He's a prick, but they did need him.

Has anyone ever told you you're an asshole?

HEH
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
IMO Astro's still the team to beat.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
If I said something like that, Bank, I'd be accused of the ol' reverse mojo thing.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
Probably.

I think the Sox can beat anyone, and might, but I like the Astro's rotation and I got some concerns about the Sox BP against good line-ups.

Sox are a good bet in the 8-5 games, less so in the 4-3 games.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 10:01:19 AM
speaking of Betts, he hit his first career cycle in last nights loss to Toronto.

helluva player, he does everything well

Porcello roughed up after being staked to 2-0 lead.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 10, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.

With thanks to Bob Brookover:
http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html (http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 11:36:55 AM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 05:29:46 PM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.

With thanks to Bob Brookover:
http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html (http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html)

Yes. Thanks for posting attribution.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
The Phillies got Justin Bour.  I've always liked that guy.  Yankees certainly looked at him at one point during Bird's injury issues.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 06:38:27 PM
Yanks start Romine, Voit and Robinson

Ouch

Tanaka's their most valuable guy - and will show so again tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 06:45:24 PM
I think Shane Robinson is older than me.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 06:57:37 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

0 HR last 16 games of 2017

0 HR last 10 thus far this year

Tiiiiiireeeed.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:02:38 PM
Tough one today for Nats.  Damn, those Cubs are tough in the close ones.

Have to be a bit puzzled by the addition (by Rizzo) and use today (by Martinez) of Greg Holland.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
I think there's a decent possibility that Martinez is out after this season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 07:30:59 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

0 HR last 16 games of 2017

0 HR last 10 thus far this year

Tiiiiiireeeed.

So, you've reduced the game to just hitting home runs.

Weak.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
If you think he is playing well, that is all that matters.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
Mets version of NIMMO.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 09:32:30 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:37:59 PM
SUCK should be reserved exclusively for the Orioles.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
Beckham is an atrocious shortstop.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 09:48:23 PM
pitchers duel at OPACY
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 10:32:38 PM
Beckham is an atrocious shortstop.

The Mudiay of the O's.

Seeing if the #1 pick in him comes out.  If not its a discard
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 10:59:26 AM
You SUCK, Tendi!

How did Benny hurt you kid?

10D is top 10 OPS, top 15 WAR, and you think he sucks?

Did you find out his people chain-migrated?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
You SUCK, Tendi!

How did Benny hurt you kid?

10D is top 10 OPS, top 15 WAR, and you think he sucks?

Did you find out his people chain-migrated?

There you go again. Get help, sad little man.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:26:49 AM
1964

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
its funny I stick a toe in the water, and the dumb fuck troll shows up.

TFF

or it would be if he wasn't an indecent stalker
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:33:26 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:35:35 AM
BOSTON -- Steven Wright threw off a mound over the weekend for the first time since being placed on the disabled list June 26 with left knee inflammation (retroactive to June 23).

He threw only a few pitches but it was a positive step. Red Sox manager Alex Cora thinks the knuckleballer will pitch again for Boston this season.

"We had a conversation with him on Sunday," Cora said. "He's feeling a lot better than when he came back the first time. Kind of like knowing what he has to do to avoid lapses like this. He's been doing great in the weight room. He's been keeping his arm in shape. He regularly beats his wife with it, since we are pleased with his progress, and we continue to ignore his history of domestic violence, because it serves our purposes to do so.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:37:42 AM
its funny I stick a toe in the water, and the dumb fuck troll shows up.

TFF

or it would be if he wasn't an indecent stalker

Blaming others for your mental illness is fairly typical.

Get help, sad little man.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:38:48 AM
water's just fine

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on August 11, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..
I'm going with my daughter to the night game. Left field nose bleeds.  It sounds like the rain might be a hit or miss thing.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..
I'm going with my daughter to the night game. Left field nose bleeds.  It sounds like the rain might be a hit or miss thing.

Nice.

Bring a glove, with the way both teams were launching rockets last night...

have fun, and stay dry
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 11, 2018, 11:50:03 AM
This is very odd.  I'm now both Yankguy and Yankguy1.  And "Yankguy1" ignored my latest "Yankguy" post.  Strange.  I'll stick with Yankguy1, but if push comes to shove I'll go with "Bluestateward" or "ESPN+".
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Gonna need somebody if Sale is not ok.

Even 4th playoff starter, if needed, is up for grabs.


- this in response to the Wright post
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2018, 11:57:24 AM
So......................appears that on the days MLB Network has Yanks scheduled as their main game - we dont get an alternate game (today it could be Sox-O's so I can see Price pitch) - although when an out of town game IS scheduled for MLB Network we SEE IT even when a local game is running opposite on another network

A semi-blackout rule, I suppose.

So I will be seeing reruns of whatever on MLB while Sox play, forced to watch the LynnYanks take revenge on TX. 

OY!

The full package, by the way, rest of the year, is just 59 bucks if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:58:28 AM
Gonna need somebody if Sale is not ok.

Even 4th playoff starter, if needed, is up for grabs.


- this in response to the Wright post

Sale goes Sunday.

Sox giving Cuevas a shot in tonight's night cap.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 12:00:10 PM
So......................appears that on the days MLB Network has Yanks scheduled as their main game - we dont get an alternate game (today it could be Sox-O's so I can see Price pitch) - although when an out of town game IS scheduled for MLB Network we SEE IT even when a local game is running opposite on another network

A semi-blackout rule, I suppose.

So I will be seeing reruns of whatever on MLB while Sox play, forced to watch the LynnYanks take revenge on TX. 

OY!

The full package, by the way, rest of the year, is just 59 bucks if anyone is interested.

Reddit streams is a nice work around to blackouts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
This is very odd.  I'm now both Yankguy and Yankguy1.  And "Yankguy1" ignored my latest "Yankguy" post.  Strange.  I'll stick with Yankguy1, but if push comes to shove I'll go with "Bluestateward" or "ESPN+".

You have seemed rather duplicitous of late.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 04:04:25 PM
1st game of twi-nighter Price with strong outing, supported by 3 dingers

5-0 win

poetic justice for 5-0 wash-out a few weeks ago.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 12:14:31 AM
Nuther 1-5 for FatTendi

1 HR in 100+ AB

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 08:49:01 AM
I'm glad I don't know shit about fantasy baseball, I think I'd miss a lot of the game

10D top-10-15 in OPS and WAR  in AL

he's a way above average ballplayer.

what I've noticed over the past week is he's been doing a lot of 1st pitch swinging and just missing and popping up

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 11:56:36 AM
Well alright.......Dave Roberts

Dodgers replacement for Jansen never got a real shot.  Alexander gives up one hit and is lifted.  Guiy that comes in surrenders 3 run walkoff bombadilla.

Heh

Alexander's line

.1 inning, 1 K, 1 hit, 1 earned run (came in on the dinger)

Good luck the rest of the way, Davey Boy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 12, 2018, 01:27:19 PM

Phillies option Zach Eflin to Triple A to make room for Justin Bour
By Jim Salisbury | NBC Sports Philadelphia August 11, 2018 8:05
SAN DIEGO — The Phillies employed a creative bit of personnel management in getting newcomer Justin Bour on the 25-man roster for Saturday night’s game against the San Diego Padres.


The Phillies did not subtract from their middle-infield bench depth and send J.P Crawford or Scott Kingery to the minors.

They optioned a member of their starting pitching rotation to the minor leagues.

And here’s the thing:

Zach Eflin won’t even miss a start. He’ll be out 10 days of big-league service time and big-league pay, but he will be able to pitch for the Phillies on Thursday and come back and make his normal start after that.

Here’s how it works: The Phillies have a doubleheader on Thursday against the Mets. They are allowed to add a 26th man from the minors for that day and it will be Eflin. After that, he will go back to the minors for the completion of his 10-day option and be eligible to return to the rotation on Aug. 22 in Washington.


Brilliant.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
I presume that Sale was taken out for purely precautionary reasons, after coming off the DL.

I hope that was why!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
Now I find myself hoping we don't score a fifth run, with Kimbrel coming in!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 04:20:24 PM
I presume that Sale was taken out for purely precautionary reasons, after coming off the DL.

I hope that was why!

Sale was about unhittable, and had a 85 pitch limit, maybe the brain trust didn't want to push it and played it conservatively.

Let him leave with a good feeling over dominant performance.

Kimbrel's been an adventure, he was ok today, got squeezed on what should have been a strike 3 on the BB.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Sweet pitching duel right now at Wrigley

 3 hits combined through 6 vs Scherzer and Hamels.

Would be a shame if we dont get a Nats-Cubs 7-gamer this year.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 10:01:56 PM
Scherzer is close to "Pedro in his prime" territory.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 11:04:29 PM
 Oh my.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
Well...

for the 12th time - the fucking Treinen deal was stupid

That said - how do you keep Madsen in when he had the command he showed?

Davey 1
Davey 2

The MGR stupid-off resumes tomorrow
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 09:57:35 AM
just saw the walk-off granny

tough way for Scherzer to lose a W

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Touki Touissant gets the start for the Braves today.  I recal wanting Mwets to draft him a few years back (may have been the Conforto year)

1-1 through 3.  Alright, Tookster.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:33:54 PM
Maybe we will get a Phils update today.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 03:53:58 PM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 13, 2018, 09:23:26 PM
Maybe we will get a Phils update today.

heh

The Utes are resilient. But the rest of the month will tell the tale. Either it's midnight for Cinderella, already, or it's Rocky Balboa time.

Either way, Scherzer's no decision deserved.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
It wasn't quite the pitcher's duel of last night.

Who knew the Mets could play long-ball?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 01:50:14 AM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight

Twinbill?

Severino was not the pitcher the Yankees needed tonight.

And CC went on the DL.

Can the Yankees hang onto the top WC slot? Or onto a WC slot at all?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 02:04:18 AM
Talk of Sonny Gray starting Friday

Wow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 02:37:06 AM
https://twitter.com/AugustineMLB/status/1029074184213880832 (https://twitter.com/AugustineMLB/status/1029074184213880832)

Touki could be the real deal
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight

Twinbill?



1-Mets @ Yankees ESPN 7pm

2-BCS   AMC 9pm

twinbill delivered an entertaining night

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
Prayers for Leonys:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-indians-outfielder-leonys-martin-battling-life-threatening-bacterial-infection-220238551.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-indians-outfielder-leonys-martin-battling-life-threatening-bacterial-infection-220238551.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:32:32 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 14, 2018, 01:34:03 PM
Pavetta and VeeVee get the Sox starts.

Utes!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
I imagine Ruth is the easy one and also that he did that more than twice. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Come to think of it, I imagine Gehrig did that more than twice as well. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 01:57:54 PM
I would bet the Williams, Mantle and Bonds are also on that list.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
Maybe Foxx, Musial, Mays, Aaron
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
I'd imagine Albert Belle, A-Rod, Manny and Frank Thomas did it at least once. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Just checked: Manny did it once, Nomar just missed


Edit: Mays, Aaron both missed
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
DiMaggio (Joe) must have done it.  And more than once I'd guess.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 02:31:30 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:34:07 PM
probably too many ABs and not enough triples.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 03:05:15 PM
Highest Slugging was .621. Not Cobb.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
Norm Cash is  my guess from those unmentioned.

I figured Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, and Bonds.

George Brett would be a long shot.

Rogers Hornsby?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:59:08 PM
Norm Cash is  my guess from those unmentioned.

I figured Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, and Bonds.

George Brett would be a long shot.

Rogers Hornsby?

Hornsby three times, as I look at it.

Norm Cash made it in 1961.

George Brett in 1980.

Just putting this here for ease of finding it:
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 14, 2018, 06:13:06 PM
F. Robby?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:15:43 PM
I tried Carew, Boggs, and Carty. I really didn't think Carew would have a chance.

Boggs (.588) and Carty (.584) didn't make it on their slugging.

Carew was a bit further back at .570 or .446 in his two years in which his AVG and OBP made it. .446 is amazingly low for .364 AVG.
Boggs had three other years that made it except for slugging.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:17:50 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
.650 slugging. He was .029 short in 1911.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
 Nap Lajoie?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
I would bet the Williams, Mantle and Bonds are also on that list.

Mantle did it twice. (BS)
Williams did it twice. (That makes at least three people.) He also hit it in 1955, but while he got over 400 ABs he only played 98 games - not sure if that qualifies. (BS)
Bonds did it twice. (That makes four.) (BS)

Ruth was 8 times! He and Bonds were close to it for their lifetime stats. (YG)
Gehrig was 4 times. (That's six people who did it twice or more. Maybe he meant exactly twice?) (YG)
Jimmy Foxx 3 times. (That's seven!) (BS)
Hornsby 3 times (J)
DiMaggio once. (YG)
Manny once. (YG)
Frank Thomas once. (YG)
Belle once, in 106 games in 1994. Does that count? (YG)
George Brett once. (J)
Norm Cash once. (J)


ARod never made it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:39:04 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
.650 slugging. He was .029 short in 1911.

Reading glasses! I need reading glasses. (Well, no, just remembering what I was looking for - that was why I copied the thing!)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:47:34 PM
Nap Lajoie?

Slugged .643 his best year. Just shy.

Hank Greenberg? Al Kaline?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:52:10 PM
We're now at 13 of the twelve who have ever done it.

Or is it only 12 because Belle's 106 games don't count?

Bets there are more?

Seems like a good one to me, given the miss on how many had done it twice (three people) or more than once (seven).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
There are more.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 06:58:39 PM
Norm Cash was a helluva pluck.

I remember his '61 almost entirely for his .361 and batting title, his career year.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 07:00:16 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 07:21:59 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?

*
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 07:32:30 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?
Cork.

Though, of course, he used cork for most of his career, so it really does not.explain .361.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
I thought perhaps Shoeless Joe, Lefty O'Doul, Babe Herman, or maybe Al Simmons.

Babe Herman was a winner, in 1930!




Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
Only 8 more to go, folks...

Maybe he meant 22 of them?!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 08:08:04 PM
I got Larry Walker at 3 seasons (at altitude)

and

Albert Pujols once

struck out on Schmidt
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
Kimbrel makes an interesting game a little more interesting

good game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 14, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
The Utes looked good, but came up short. Go, Fish!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 09:59:27 PM
ahhhhright, Kimby
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
Kimbrel makes an interesting game a little more interesting

good game

3 games. 5 runs per side.

A Phillies-Red Sox World Series could be very interesting, if both teams manage to get that far - which it is far too early to predict.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
Hembree's kind of growin on me

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1029539364882313216 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1029539364882313216)

Heh - Odubel
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?

So, Kiid...

I'm up to 21 of them (post 1899). Did you invert the digits? And more than two who did it twice and a bunch of others with more than twice.

What gives?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
ataboy

https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html)

In other words, the Red Sox are the personification of Betts, who is threatening to join an elite group: Players who have finished a season with at least a .350 batting average, a .425 on-base percentage and a .650 slugging percentage. The last to do it was Albert Pujols and before that Barry Bonds. Others include Babe Ruth (eight times), Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, George Brett, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio and, of course, Larry Walker twice.



Never did like Passan (though in fairness he did say "including")

Oh well - gave you idiots something to do
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 11:28:10 PM
kid

It appears the only idiot was you in that you accepted Passan's information as accurate and complete without checking.

atta boy

keep on underperforming
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 11:38:23 PM
ataboy

https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html)

In other words, the Red Sox are the personification of Betts, who is threatening to join an elite group: Players who have finished a season with at least a .350 batting average, a .425 on-base percentage and a .650 slugging percentage. The last to do it was Albert Pujols and before that Barry Bonds. Others include Babe Ruth (eight times), Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, George Brett, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio and, of course, Larry Walker twice.



Never did like Passan (though in fairness he did say "including")

Oh well - gave you idiots something to do

Right. We're idiots because you misinterpreted something a sportscaster wrote, deciding he was complete and changing what he said while you were at it.

I take it that you are not up to trying to figure out the other 8.

That's fine.

I thought it was a good and interesting puzzle, despite the misleading (okay, bogus) clues.

Here's a clue. At least 3 people did it in the same year.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
Cool.

Some big names there

And yeah - Passan is a putz.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:11:30 AM
Another big night for Mr Happ, who Yanks gave up waaaaay too much for.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 12:28:53 AM
Who said that?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:48:49 AM
Sparks fly in LA

Hundley and Puig ejected
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 01:22:32 AM
Who said that?

Far more succinct.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
Scherzer is close to "Pedro in his prime" territory.

Scherzer's is probably my favorite non-Sox pitcher.

A related article in yesterdays Globe


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/14/chris-sale-measuring-peak-pedro-and-two-other-overlooked-red-sox-stats/GzIbiuIxxzjqPAE8XyQnWL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/14/chris-sale-measuring-peak-pedro-and-two-other-overlooked-red-sox-stats/GzIbiuIxxzjqPAE8XyQnWL/story.html)

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 03:34:43 PM
https://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/latest_2018_world_series_odds_red_sox_overwhelming.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/latest_2018_world_series_odds_red_sox_overwhelming.html)

Boston the big favorite to win it all.

But in the playoffs, pressure to wrap up a monster season becomes too great for some teams.

Either they win it all, or we find out who this year's version of Grady Little will be.

Vince Velasquez tries out his mound skills in a big games for the Utes tonight. He hits well, too. Which is what they need. Wilson Ramos reports for duty.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 04:39:19 PM
heh

persistence.

Off the top of my head, I think the '60 Yankees or '69 Orioles may have been the best pennant winners (edit--I saw) not to win their respective World Series.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
54 Indians?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
I meant to include "I saw"

but 111 wins and getting swept in the Series would have to be head of the Grady Little Division.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 04:57:42 PM
BETTS out of the lineup tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
1995 Indians?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 05:58:49 PM

 2011 Phillies?
 2015 Cardinals?
2008 Angels?
2004 Yankees? 2003 Giants and the 2003 Braves?
2002 A'? 2001 Mariners? 1998 Astros? 1988 Mets? 1976 and 1977 Phillies?

1995 Indians?

2008 Patriots?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
That's how I read it and why I didn't mention the 2001 Mariners.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 06:39:55 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
That's how I read it and why I didn't mention the 2001 Mariners.

Exactly, they did not win the AL pennant in '01.

I expected you and most others here understood the gist and didn't see the need to spell it out or dumb it down.

But the troll got to mention Grady Little and the '08 Pats, so he's happy but clueless.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
1995 Indians. 100 wins in 144 games. Shut down in the World.Series by umpires deliberately expanding the strike.zones for Maddux and Glavine just to spite me
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 09:18:07 PM
Mets sure did the right thing keeping Wheeler

Fuck those teams that tried to rob us.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 10:25:50 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.

Or even baseball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 10:34:37 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!

he had a cheesesteak in the clubhouse he had to get back to.

he's been first-pitch swinging alot lately
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
a night of squanders

too much Ramos

and too much Pom

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 10:43:13 PM
Wilson Ramos reports for duty.

And shows the Utes the way.

Great, and necessary CFB win, the kind that a young team needs in a season like this one.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
Aretha

God blessed you and you blessed us.

RIP
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 11:02:00 AM
If one believes in such things there must be a nice reunion taking place in heaven with Duane Allman.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 04:56:51 PM
Ys with bases loaded no outs squander in the 9th

taking notes from last night's Sox game plan
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 06:15:01 PM
Nimmo goes 5-5 yesterday, goes down today and nobody has said a word.

What - is fucking Acuna baseball's pet?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 06:51:49 PM
Mets screwing around with the pythag formula these last two games.

Gonna compute to a 85 win team

heh.

Did the Phillies know they had a day game today?

or too much partying after last night?

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
Oddly, at a game under .500 and 9 back I still haven't closed the door on the Nats.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 16, 2018, 08:17:20 PM
If one believes in such things there must be a nice reunion taking place in heaven with Duane Allman.

https://youtu.be/wta5GU3FNhA (https://youtu.be/wta5GU3FNhA)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 16, 2018, 09:08:21 PM
Real baseball is dead. Uruna gets six games for playing the game the way it's always been played. Braves whimpering reinforced.

Disgusting.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
Hoskins -

worst

shoes

ever
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:29:02 PM
If Urena appealed he might get it cut to 5

That it was first pitch of the game made all the difference.

I have no problem with the suspension.  The (MLB Radio) idiot Casey Stern called for 20 games - 5 is the way it has been, so that is proper at this point.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:32:54 PM
Swing the bat, Quinn, ya little shit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 16, 2018, 10:56:32 PM
Resilience.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 11:04:27 AM
Quote
Diamondbacks 5, Padres 1: If you placed money on “Some time in 2018 Clay Buchholz will pitch a complete game, allowing only one run on five hits, getting the win for a playoff contending team” before the season began you would’ve been arrested for suspected time-traveling and/or placed in a rubber room so you could not do any harm to others or to yourself. Yet it happened. He got five runs of support in the first inning, thanks in part to a David Peralta three-run homer, and other than allowing a Hunter Renfroe solo shot in the eighth, he was lights-out. Not too bad for a guy everyone thought was burnt toast not too long ago.

Speaking of resilience.

I'm glad for Clay, but I sure wonder what changed for him! Maybe the heat of the spotlights in Boston and Philly was too much, but with nobody paying attention in AZ, he's thriving?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 11:05:59 AM
its the dry-heat.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 11:11:29 AM
its the dry-heat.

It's the heat, not the humility?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 12:27:36 PM
its the dry-heat.

It's the heat, not the humility?

Sounds about right.

It was funny, early yesterday I scanned the games and saw Buchholz was pitching, and i had forgotten about him, so I looked at his #s, and had a "good for him" reaction.

And then he a CG win last night.

Good for him.

It seems it wasn't all that long ago "we" had him and Lester penciled in as our budding #1 #2 homegrown studs pitching and winning in Fenway for the next decade.

time flies.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 01:42:07 PM
Quote
Diamondbacks 5, Padres 1: If you placed money on “Some time in 2018 Clay Buchholz will pitch a complete game, allowing only one run on five hits, getting the win for a playoff contending team” before the season began you would’ve been arrested for suspected time-traveling and/or placed in a rubber room so you could not do any harm to others or to yourself. Yet it happened. He got five runs of support in the first inning, thanks in part to a David Peralta three-run homer, and other than allowing a Hunter Renfroe solo shot in the eighth, he was lights-out. Not too bad for a guy everyone thought was burnt toast not too long ago.

Speaking of resilience.

I'm glad for Clay, but I sure wonder what changed for him! Maybe the heat of the spotlights in Boston and Philly was too much, but with nobody paying attention in AZ, he's thriving?

You have to understand pitching

And adjustments

And health

Resilience?  Yeah, of course that is part of it.

Good story in the Globe about Eovaldi's transformation.  The cutter that WAS, then wasnt (after a trade).  Now it is again(after Eovaldi suggested it be revived).

Has gone from throwing 70% fastballs to much less than 50.

Yep, pitchers often have more than 1 or even 2 lives.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 17, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
Nola! Ring the bell! Utes get it done.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
Need one more
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 18, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
An A's- Phillies World Series...now, there's something to ask the baseball gods to bring us all!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
What Fall Classic would be complete without a football field lined out on the diamond?

Pop-up to the 30-yard line--can the SS call for a fair catch?


 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
An A's- Phillies World Series...now, there's something to ask the baseball gods to bring us all!

Longest subway series since 1962!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 18, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
What Fall Classic would be complete without a football field lined out on the diamond?

Pop-up to the 30-yard line--can the SS call for a fair catch?

Not if it's in foul territory.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2018, 11:32:21 PM
MISTER Price....

https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1031005049382731776 (https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1031005049382731776)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2018, 09:51:43 AM
Mister Price

pitched himself another good game last night.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
Rays avoid sweep and blank Sox 2-0

Indians come in for 4-game tea-party

first time these guys have faced each other this year

measuring stick for both teams.

should be fun.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 19, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Things are looking up. Miller is healthy, the pen has stabilized, and no one has almost died in weeks.

Martin was released from the hospital today, so I can officially joke about it.

Of course, Bauer is out for the foreseeable future, doubtful for a return before the post season. Schlesinger moves up to 3rd starter in the post season, if necessary.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
Bauer is already throwing.

I will say mid September if not sooner

One of my current favorites.  Great back story.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
Every year, some idiot........


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-nl-mvp-could-belong-to-a-pitcher-in-2018-with-three-great-options-on-the-board/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-nl-mvp-could-belong-to-a-pitcher-in-2018-with-three-great-options-on-the-board/)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 19, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
Bauer is already throwing.

I will say mid September if not sooner

One of my current favorites.  Great back story.
We can afford to wait on him, just.get him tuned up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
a little late inning drama, but not quite enough,

good CFBW for the Tribe
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 21, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Tribe whupped Sox tonight

too little too late

bump in the road, but its the first time since April they've lost 3 in a row.

and Allen flashed some leather in CF
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 21, 2018, 10:56:26 PM
Does Mike Rizzo keep his job?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2018, 10:47:53 PM
Sox perk up tonight and whup Tribe

10D's bases jammed double and the return of the long-ball ended losing streak

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 23, 2018, 04:20:47 AM
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/indy-ball-manager-gets-dramatic-after-ejection/c-291504730 (https://www.mlb.com/cut4/indy-ball-manager-gets-dramatic-after-ejection/c-291504730)

Butch Hobson's the manager. He remains a character, if a tad slower than he used to be (and he was never fast).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 03:37:40 PM
Price with another great outing.

8 innings 3 hit 7ks 0 BBs

totally in control
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 23, 2018, 04:31:15 PM
Scherzer-Nola duel.

Nola wins this one.

Next one, next week.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 23, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
Price with another great outing.

8 innings 3 hit 7ks 0 BBs

totally in control

That's two good outings against good teams. While it isn't post-season, it's better than the Yankees' being his daddy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
since that shit-show against the Yankees, Price has 7 quality starts (all Sox wins) and of those 3 were team shut-outs and 3 against pretty good teams, (Tribe, Philles, Yankees)

But as you sugggest, his real challenge will be in October
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 24, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
Heh

Throwing the ball as well as ever

Zero cause for concern.  Price should get the ball game 1 if Sale is not able

Making me some cash this year as well, which is nice.  (Traded for Price and a few others about 5 weeks ago)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 25, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
Well, that was no fun!

I mean, the Rays played a good game, but just not fun for a Sox fan.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2018, 09:50:11 AM
I think Mookie needs to get re-charged he's been flat for about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
And Tendi has been fat all year.

Guessing this winter he drops a few

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2018, 11:40:06 AM
most kids add muscle and pounds as they grew into their bodies.

As you mature from kid to adult you may experience that change.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 02:40:34 PM
most kids add muscle and pounds as they grew into their bodies.

As you mature from kid to adult you may experience that change.

*If
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 02:41:31 PM
The hope is that we can take advantage of their failure to get the extra point and catch them in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
And my hope is that you stop worrying about winning every fucking game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 07:59:07 PM
And my hope is that you stop worrying about winning every fucking game

You are too funny.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 08:01:25 PM
Why aren't AL pitchers plunking Kendrys Morales?

Discuss.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 08:15:19 PM
Mariano Rivera had TEN seasons under a 1.000 WHIP

That's remarkable

But he never went sub-1/sub-1 (Mo's best ERA was 1.38)

Blake Treinen currently at 0.98/0.97 (64 innings)

Nice trade Nats, especially since Doolittle is one of the poisons in your clubhouse.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 27, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
the lost week-end in Tampa Bay

there was nothing enjoyable watching games in that mausoleum with the players wearing those unis.

Snell was pretty good though.

But burn those f'ing uniforms
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 02:31:45 PM
Starting to look like 1978 in the AL East.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 02:45:23 PM
As long as Shane Robinson and Neil Walker are getting regular OF time, I'm not willing to run with a 1978 comparison.  Yet.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 03:08:08 PM
As long as Shane Robinson and Neil Walker are getting regular OF time, I'm not willing to run with a 1978 comparison.  Yet.

You never know. It could be Neil "Fucking" Walker or Shane "Fucking" Robinson is still to come.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 03:20:29 PM
No doubt.  Those things are unpredictable.  What's more concerning to me is the length of time it's taking you to post J.D. Martinez' Instagram musings.  You're losing whatever fastball you had left. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
No doubt.  Those things are unpredictable.  What's more concerning to me is the length of time it's taking you to post J.D. Martinez' Instagram musings.  You're losing whatever fastball you had left.

Maybe it's more you failing to recognize the curveball.

We could talk about the gay bashing ex-Nat Daniel Murphy and why he was nixed from the dysfunction that is the DC clubhouse, though.

I mean, if you're up for it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 05:19:35 PM
We could. The timing of the trade didn't make a lot of sense to me. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 06:20:36 PM
Cubs love him

Maybe they all hate gays too.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 06:28:16 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 06:39:15 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

But he is choosy as to who grabs him.

The Hamels trade the Cubs made was the bigger move, I think.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 27, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 06:51:16 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

But he is choosy as to who grabs him.

The Hamels trade the Cubs made was the bigger move, I think.
No argument.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 07:04:31 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

Bryant's back this week
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)

....but Mets playing hardball - want a half decent prospect
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 07:21:22 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

Bryant's back this week
We'll see.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 28, 2018, 09:11:18 AM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)

....but Mets playing hardball - want a half decent prospect

They'll take cash.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 28, 2018, 03:13:18 PM
As I said...https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-acquire-jose-bautista-mets-173211469.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-acquire-jose-bautista-mets-173211469.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 10:48:18 PM
I'm not sure you can win uglier than that.

but

AWINZAWIN
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 12:03:46 AM
I'm not sure you can win uglier than that.

but

AWINZAWIN

That was pretty ugly.

Kimbrell needs something. I don't know what - it isn't time off. Is he injured?

I thought they jerked the leash on BJ early - but nobody saw Matt's implosion coming.

But a win. breathes
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 06:50:09 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

https://deadspin.com/j-d-martinez-follows-in-the-footsteps-of-red-sox-great-1828687096/amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s (https://deadspin.com/j-d-martinez-follows-in-the-footsteps-of-red-sox-great-1828687096/amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s)

Trump must love these guys.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 07:41:31 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

Now you're defending bigotry?

Youre lost!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:52:10 PM
Troll

Your hypocrisy is extraordinary.

let's not forget one of your favorite rhetorical plays here, is to post Nazi-themed pictures in a pathetic attempt to salvage a debate you had hopelessly lost.


I'm not defending anything other than JD Martinez's right to own firearms and a right to free speech and the right to be an idiot.

I have no idea where you stand on those issues, but from your content you clearly hold firm to the latter, as your idiocy is in full bloom.


and i know you are not much of a baseball fan, and as you've demonstrated, you are an idiot, but in 2013 when Martinez posted the photo he was a Houston Astro.

You're truly an obsessed moron.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

"taken?"
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 07:54:04 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 08:12:53 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 29, 2018, 08:14:58 PM

http://amp.tmz.com/2018/08/28/luis-gonzalez-john-mccain (http://amp.tmz.com/2018/08/28/luis-gonzalez-john-mccain)

What? Not Derek Jeter?

Oh, yeah. Jeter lost to this dude.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 09:17:43 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
that was a helluva 7th inning

may be close to a BP-proof game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2018, 10:01:55 PM
LOL

Tendi has to buy a case

Makes 3 outs in one inning
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
No one has ever made 3 outs in 3 ABs same inning.

So 10D's 7th inning may be pretty rare.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
14 run ofense and a win and my 3 guys get 1 hit in 8 abs (1 run, 1 rib) and allow 3 runs over 3 frames - instead of some knocks and a W

oy.......
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 08:02:44 AM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.

Fenway, a "Whites Only" park, is not only hitter friendly, with J.D. Martinez on the team, it's Hitler Friendly!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 09:24:12 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Happy 100th Ted

nice article by Shaughnessy
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
Willie and Hank say hello


Best player - MAYS

Best hitter - AARON
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
They should say hello, Willie would say "Hey", to the greatest hitter in the game on the anniversary 100th birthday

Agree on Mays

Disagree on Aaron

IMO Williams and Ruth were the best hitters

then maybe Gehrig, Bonds* Foxx, Aaron
 

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 04:48:23 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Ty Cobb.
Or Pete Rose, who faced much tougher pitching than your guy
As for Teddy No Ring, have draft beer. That way you get a head in it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
The head's no problem, its on ice.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24511476/happy-birthday-ted-williams-our-nine-favorite-stats-no-9 (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24511476/happy-birthday-ted-williams-our-nine-favorite-stats-no-9)


Some perspective

Using Williams' averages from his 17 non-military seasons, we can estimate his final career numbers had he not missed any time while in the service during World War II and the Korean War. The figures in parentheses indicate where they'd rank on the all-time list

1. Using Williams' averages from his 17 non-military seasons, we can estimate his final career numbers had he not missed any time while in the service during World War II and the Korean War. The figures in parentheses indicate where they'd rank on the all-time list.

2,332 RBIs (1st)
2,588 walks (1st)
6,020 times on base (1st)
6,202 total bases (2nd)
1,418 extra-base hits (3rd)
656 home runs (6th)
3,381 hits (9th)

2. Williams owns the record for career on-base percentage at .482. No active player has posted an OBP that high in any season. Joey Votto, the active leader in OBP (.428), could reach base successfully in each of his next 650 plate appearances and still not reach Williams' mark.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
Bonds - as a Giant - vs tougher pitching - .477
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:55:43 PM

Bonds - as a Giant - vs tougher pitching - .477
*
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 06:01:18 PM
Estimated stat = alternative fact.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 06:05:02 PM
Where's Teddy?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml)

Seriously, if someone offered you Henry Aaron or Ted Williams, who would you take?

To me, no brainer...Hello, Hank!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 06:20:40 PM
The discussion was best hitter.

So Ted and Ruth can be found atop the slugging and OPS leaders.

Singles are cute, but...


estimates are estimates and were so labeled.

But they are eminently reasonable.

And alternative fact, would be declaring so and so faced better pitching.

There was no evidence to support that, in fact I can think of several reasons to believe the reverse could be true.

If someone offered me Williams or Aaron's to hit the ball, or reach base safely, I'd choose Williams, as all the evidence supports the premise he was a superior hitter.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 30, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
Ortiz linked to gambling.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/david-ortiz-denies-book-claims-linking-gambler-betting-red-sox-004550539.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/david-ortiz-denies-book-claims-linking-gambler-betting-red-sox-004550539.html)

Aaron the better hitter and ballplayer. Everyone knows that. Everyone with a real sense of baseball history.

There is s reason Williams played in the Junior Circuit.

But back to Ortiz. He's very good at denial. First steroids, now the gambling.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
Oh-fer Tendeeee

Oh-oh-for-tennnnnnn-deeeeeeee.

heh- killin me
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 10:25:15 PM
Holy Blowin Betances!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 30, 2018, 10:31:32 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.

Fenway, a "Whites Only" park, is not only hitter friendly, with J.D. Martinez on the team, it's Hitler Friendly!

You seem not to understand - JD's meme was saying that Hitler said to get rid of guns, therefore we should not.

Dolt.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 30, 2018, 11:10:22 PM
From MLB on Stanton's 300th home run:

The milestone was reached in Stanton's 1,119th career game, making him the fifth fastest to the mark in terms of games played behind Ralph Kiner (1,087), Ryan Howard (1,093), Juan Gonzalez (1,096) and Alex Rodriguez (1,117). Harmon Killebrew was next on the list, at 1,137 games.

At 28 years and 295 days old, Stanton was the ninth-youngest player in Major League history to hit his 300th home run.

He endured a longer wait than Stanton might have anticipated after belting No. 299 on Aug. 18 against the Blue Jays. In the 10 games that followed, Stanton hit just .158 (6-for-38) with 16 strikeouts.

That came to an end as he rounded the bases and returned to the dugout. Loud cheers drew Stanton back up from the dugout, and he raised his batting helmet in his right hand to acknowledge the reception.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 11:22:11 PM
Yanks have landed ANDREW MCCUTCHEON

Wow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 11:25:12 PM
Going to Giants

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=avelin000abi (https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=avelin000abi)

with at least one other player

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 11:57:01 PM
another bolt of late inning lightening for the visiting Sox.

nice to see Mookie hitting again
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 07:15:43 AM
another bolt of late inning lightening for the visiting Sox.

nice to see Mookie hitting again

My spirits were certainly lightened by their 7th inning exploits, followed by the 9th, but I am pretty sure the word you're after is lightning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 08:32:51 AM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 09:36:30 AM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 09:38:33 AM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.

I posted a like thought elsewhere in a mostly y-fan thread, where the prevailing wisdom had been that Judge would be be playing by now

The new take was Gardy sucked and Stanton needed a break and its only a couple of low level prospects

I was going to have some fun and mention the deep depth that Ellsbury gives them, but...

I assume Judge is getting ready for 1 -game, after that who knows?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 12:40:07 PM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
You just root for these things, seemingly.

heh

Pretty good SS Yanks gave up.  Look forward to seeing him succeed Crawford.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 01:53:54 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD

What's the same every time is your complaining after your assessment has been kicked to the curb once again. Which it was.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 02:20:59 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD

What's the same every time is your complaining after your assessment has been kicked to the curb once again. Which it was.

What's the same is your gnawing inferiority and obssession with all things Boston.

You can believe and post whatever you like, and kick any post you do not understand to the curb.

But you only look like  clueless obssessed buffoon in the process.

you want to believe that Rose or Aaron were betters hitters than Williams, you are free to.

However almost all relevant stats and all baseball observers with a reasonable amount of knowledge would judge you a fool.   
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
You just root for these things, seemingly.

heh

Pretty good SS Yanks gave up.  Look forward to seeing him succeed Crawford.
Why would I root for this?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 04:05:52 PM
Look at bankshit chase his own tale.

Dude can't handle defeat.

No Grady Little to blame fir his stupidity.

Ha!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Look at bankshit chase his own tale.

Dude can't handle defeat.

No Grady Little to blame fir his stupidity.

Ha!

poor troll

his poorly articulated declarations have been repeatedly shown to be without merit, unsupported by facts and display his infantile grasp of the history of the game.

at least his inferiority complex is well founded.

SSDD

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 05:52:52 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

He was a great hitter. He was a great pitcher. Steals are lovely. Fielding is nice. But being a top of the line pitcher in both the regular season and post-season, then becoming a great everyday player? Few people did both positions tolerably well, even back in the day.

Maybe Newcombe or Ferrell could have gotten there in a different universe, but they didn't. Nobody is likely to ever touch the Big Train's best hitting year, but it was an outlier - and just not the same level of power.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 06:17:44 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of Williams birth and I posted he was arguably (along with Ruth) the greatest hitter in the game.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Happy 100th Ted

nice article by Shaughnessy

They should say hello, Willie would say "Hey", to the greatest hitter in the game on the anniversary 100th birthday

Agree on Mays

Disagree on Aaron

IMO Williams and Ruth were the best hitters

then maybe Gehrig, Bonds* Foxx, Aaron

And then Utley decided to dumb things down so he could participate.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
How hard is it raining?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Yeah, we did pay for Sale.  Hope we get a title out of it

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1035695202789453824 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1035695202789453824)

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:28:57 PM
How hard is it raining?

hard enough-

another 45+ minutes of rain
resumes around 11:30?

Ys CFBwin on controversial 8th inning rally

Donaldson traded to Tribe
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
I'm in Chicago. Rain is stopping
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 10:40:24 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
yank

Nice.

Long family week-end?

My internet "sources" are saying its still raining and Sox2 might resume 11:30-midnight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:47:38 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).

Ruth was a freak and not easily comped. But he and Williams comp as hitters.

IMO Mays may have been the greatest traditional 5-tool positional player.

Utley-- he enjoys the attention, abuse and losing arguments
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
Chi-Phi great game. The way baseball was meant to be.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 31, 2018, 10:56:42 PM
Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 11:08:50 PM
Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove chuckle at the troll's ignorance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 12:32:43 AM
Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.

Such a bullshit argument. Hard to believe you are even bothering.

Aaron never had to pitch to anybody. He didn't have to pitch to players in Ruth's day. He didn't have to pitch to players in his own day.

Aaron's highest slugging average, as has already been pointed out to you, is lower than Ruth's career slugging average. And before you tell me about those pitchers that Aaron had to face, Aaron was only the highest in his own time in four years.

Mantle outslugged him over their careers.
Mays outslugged him over their careers.
Musial outslugged him over their careers.

Taking Aaron's best years from 1955 through 1973:
Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   
1955-1973   .312   .380   .574   .955

Mantle:

Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
1952-1966   .307   .428   .580   1.008   

There is no 6 or longer year period in which Aaron matches those numbers and even the two 5 year periods only match them in one of the four categories.

Mays led the league in SLG and OBA more often than Aaron did. So did Musial. (Aaron never led the league in OBA. Mays did twice. Musial did six times.

Musial hit over .350 five times. Aaron once.

Aaron? Feh.

Aaron wasn't as good against the folks he faced as his own peers. And he never pitched.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: luee on September 01, 2018, 08:02:26 AM
Mays was the best 5 tool and also a defensive beast. His numbers are somewhat hurt playing in Candlestick. But he checked all the boxes.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
poor troll

He loses an argument in every way possible and fully exposes not only his inferiority complex (well-earned) and his obssession with Boston, but his deep ignorance about the game, its history, the stats, everything.

Yet despite his thrashing he comes back for more.

the troll is scrappy.

As posted before the troll decided to dumb down this discussion, I think Aaron was a great player, among the greatest, but he's not really in the debate for the greatest hitter.

That debate has generally been reserved for Ruth or Williams.

I think a case can be made for either, and there are additional extenuating arguments that have to be made for both, though I tilt slightly for Ruth.

"As to the best hitters hit", yes, and thats why OPS, as already pointed out to the troll, is the best indicator, as it combines the several elements  critical to a hitters success, show patience, a good eye, an ability to hit, and get on base and ultimately score.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_career.shtml)

it captures the real goal of a hitter to put your team in the best position to score runs.

the troll does not understand this about a game so driven by stats.


Interestingly enough, on this leaders list, "Most Outs Made", neither Ruth nor Williams are on it, but lots of very good and some greats are on it.

Rose and Aaron then Yaz top it.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/outs_made_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/outs_made_career.shtml)

but you have to play a long time to fail so often.

The troll in that regard is the exception to the rule, he fails all the time.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 10:10:42 AM
As we say goodbye and God bless you to Sen McCain, an American hero, here's a story about McCain and Ted Williams, a fellow Marine, fighter pilot and veteran.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-30/john-mccain-loved-to-tell-this-ted-williams-story (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-30/john-mccain-loved-to-tell-this-ted-williams-story)

My favorite McCain story involved a tale he once told me about Ted Williams of the Boston Red Sox.

We were flying back to Washington on a small plane on May 20, 2002, from a commencement address he’d given at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. We hit some scary turbulence.

McCain saw the panicked look on my face and asked what was wrong. I confessed to being a nervous flier.

“I’ve crashed four of these,” he cracked. It didn’t put me at ease.

Then the celebrated former naval aviator, who acquired a reputation as a daredevil years before he was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and then spent five and a half years as a prisoner of war, recalled that whenever jet jockeys got together they would share old war stories.

The best one was about Ted Williams.

Williams, a Marine aviator during World War II, was called back into military service during the Korean War at the peak of his baseball career. He usually flew in formation with John Glenn, the future astronaut and senator. On one of his initial solo flights, Williams’s plane caught fire. He approached the airbase and crash landed, then jumped out just before the plane exploded.

For years, McCain had heard this story and wanted to ask Williams why he didn’t parachute out of the burning plane. When he finally met the baseball great, Williams explained that he was then 34 years old and figured that if he bailed out, he might break his knees and never play baseball again.

On that bumpy flight from North Carolina all those years later, McCain gleefully remembered Williams’s typically foul-mouthed answer:

“So I said, screw it, let's bring it in.” (Except that he didn’t exactly say “screw it.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 10:19:03 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:18:55 AM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 12:40:23 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
200 hit seasons.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 04:27:30 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

How bout that Darin Erstad getting in there....
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 05:08:08 PM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.

An irrelevant argument for Ruth.

An erroneous argument for Williams. Spin it any way you want to. If Aaron had been the Boston player and Williams played elsewhere, you would be defending Williams, pointing out that he went to war, twice, slugged and hit better, etc. Whatever, Utley.

A waste of perfectly good used electrons.

But you're only slightly more likely than Red to admit being wrong. (Or should I call him E in here?)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
Aaron at Fenway - wow - imagine that.

Reviewing a  few real good ones today - from Rose to Ichiro to Gwynn.  Tony was truly amazing.  And no telling if Ichiro had started in the States.......

Pete's more in my memory as a scrapper - a guy who loved and respected the game - a winner.  Gwynn really stands out.  Strangely Clemente is revered more than Tony.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".

Since when was Hank Aaron a singled hitter?

LOL
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 05:31:25 PM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.

An irrelevant argument for Ruth.

An erroneous argument for Williams. Spin it any way you want to. If Aaron had been the Boston player and Williams played elsewhere, you would be defending Williams, pointing out that he went to war, twice, slugged and hit better, etc. Whatever, Utley.

A waste of perfectly good used electrons.

But you're only slightly more likely than Red to admit being wrong. (Or should I call him E in here?)

Aaron couldn't play at Fenway. He wasn't white. They barely let Jim Rice play there.

Ruth v. Black ballplayers. Never happened.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 05:46:09 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".

Since when was Hank Aaron a singled hitter?

LOL

Moron are you aware of what you posted?

The majority of the single-season hit leaders were singles/doubles guys.

Of the 24 leaders hi-lighted (the photos) of the top 24 season for hits, focusing just on the modern era guys

Ichiro (3X)
Boggs
Erstad
Carew
Mattingly

Two will not make the Hall of Fame, and you use this list as the basis for the greatest hitters in the game.

ROTFL

No one would confuse any of those guys as candidates for the game's greatest hitters.

Except you, as you're a clueless idiot.

As posted several times for the greatest hitters you might want to refer to the leaders on the slugging and OPS pages.

or you can muck around in your feces.

SSDD

And FTR, moron, Aaron shows up #71 on your cherry-picked example.

your cluelessness knows no bounds.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
Williams doesn't show up at all on that list.

And for total hits career? Aaron is third. Williams???

Well, well out of the running.

Because truly great hitters like Aaron hit for power, and they have 200+ hit seasons.

In other words, to be a great hitters...get hits.

Back to your barstool, you've lost another.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:28:59 PM
Aaron was all class and made his teammates better.

Aaron played with death threats, and the crowd might spit in him or throw things at him.

Williams played for himself, and spit on the crowd.

No. That dude was fucked up.

Of course, I'm not the only one who thinks so.

https://youtu.be/VCJAmG7NZ_4 (https://youtu.be/VCJAmG7NZ_4)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:43:03 PM
Williams doesn't show up at all on that list.

And for total hits career? Aaron is third. Williams???

Well, well out of the running.

Because truly great hitters like Aaron hit for power, and they have 200+ hit seasons.

In other words, to be a great hitters...get hits.

Back to your barstool, you've lost another.

So you find the #71st ranked guy (Aaron) on a list and you think this is an endorsement of your cherry-picked list?

You're an idiot.

Williams is not on the list because he received a lot of walks, got on base a lot, and had the highest on-base & than amyone in MLB history.

He did not make the outs that other hitters made.

Hitters like Rose and Aaron who made more outs than any other players in MLB history.

Williams got on-base instead.

When he did hit, he hit for average and power, (and at superior average than Aaron)

Again one only has only to look at an appropriate universe of data, like slugging % or OPS. .

But I understand you are fully invested in your own stupidity and cluelessness to go outside your towering boundaries of dumb.

You're lack of basic understanding of the game is almost surprising.

Back to the gutter troll, to wallow in your most recent humilating spanking.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
You're still losing.

You won't win.

And the beatings will continue.

Great hitters get hits.

He's woefully lacking in that department.

High average usually means fewer at bats, is all.

Aaron didn't have power?

LMFAO!

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:53:13 PM
Troll you were TKOed yesterday

you are now punch-drunk and close to brain-dead and babbling idiocy

back to the gutter troll.

You got owned again
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 06:53:35 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:58:23 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 01, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 01, 2018, 07:04:28 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.

A lot of people eat at McDonald's. Doesn't mean it's good food.

And Mays was better than Williams, too.

And neither Willie or Henry could hide being black, but the Spoiled Splinter HUD being brown.

Beatings will continue.

See ya, loser!

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 07:21:13 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.

I think the math and implications escape the troll.

He's not very bright.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 07:30:26 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.

A lot of people eat at McDonald's. Doesn't mean it's good food.

And Mays was better than Williams, too.

And neither Willie or Henry could hide being black, but the Spoiled Splinter HUD being brown.

Beatings will continue.

See ya, loser!

Troll

It was settled before you dumbed down this discussion that both Mays and Aaron were better ballplayers than Williams.

However, Williams by general consensus, and most metrics, was either the best or 2nd greatest hitter in the game.

I sort of understand your need to change the arguments you've hopelessly bungled and lost for the past 2 days. You feel humiliated again and you want to save face, however yours is not worth saving.

Besides its dishonest.

Enjoy your Happy Meal

and try not to lose the toy in the gutter
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 08:19:38 PM
TA----NAKA-----SANNNNN!!!!!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 08:58:14 PM
200 hit seasons.

No doubt about it, Utley, Aaron had three 200 hit games to none for Williams.

In Williams' 194 hit season, he was walked 162 times! BA .343 OBA .490 SLG .650
In Aaron's 223 hit season, he was walked 51 times. BA .355   OBA .401 SLG .636

In Williams' 193 hit season, he was walked a mere 96 times - more than Aaron was walked in any season of his career.
BA .344   OBA .442   SLG .594
In Aaron's 201 hit season, he was walked a 78 times - in 161 games.
BA .319   OBA .391   SLG .586

In Williams' 188 hit season, he was walked 126 times. BA 369  OBA .497   SLG .615
In Aaron's 200 hit season, he was walked 37 times. BA .328   OBA .365   SLG .558

13 times, Williams had more walks in a season than Aaron's most. But... Aaron had five seasons in which he struck out more than Williams' worst year.

Aaron got pitched to far more than Williams - he got more hits, while getting on less much less often and slugging less. I suspect that had Williams been pitched to as often as Aaron was, he'd have had as many or more 200 hit games, without worrying about missed seasons due to war. (Not WAR!)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.

Oh, look. Another member of the vaunted "Boston mafia."

Utley's so screwy about these arguments.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 09:14:11 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.

No, he's right - Ted hit far better at home than away:
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .361   .496   .652   1.148   
Away   .328   .467   .615   1.082       

Aaron was about the same home and away, overall (and not bothering to compare Milwaukee vs. Atlanta)
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .303   .379   .557   .936      
Away   .306   .369   .552   .921      

But Ted Williams' weaker performance still blows Aaron's performances away. Or home.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 09:59:30 PM
Another 0-8 for SuckTendi and Bogaerts

oy
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.

No, he's right - Ted hit far better at home than away:
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .361   .496   .652   1.148   
Away   .328   .467   .615   1.082       

Aaron was about the same home and away, overall (and not bothering to compare Milwaukee vs. Atlanta)
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .303   .379   .557   .936      
Away   .306   .369   .552   .921      

But Ted Williams' weaker performance still blows Aaron's performances away. Or home.

The only thing that the troll got right in his post was repeating Updike's reference to Fenway as a bandbox.

However, from a link that did not work, to evetually providing a link that was meaningless, to misunderstanding the nature of Williams as a pull hitter hitting into Fenway's expansive right field pasture, the contstruct of a bandbox really doesn't work. The cut and paste troll has surface knowledge at best. He's a parrot parotting, with no real understanding, just a lyric little squawk.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:14:55 PM
Nice return tonight by EdRo.

If he can stay healthy and pitch like that, the rotation, while left-heavy, gets a nice boost.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2018, 08:12:38 PM
Brian Johnson and RSox had nothing today.

interesting week coming up 3 v Braves

then home for 3 v Astros

Happy Labor Day folks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
Ys also have an interesting week+ w/3 @ Oakland, 3 @ Seattle and [email protected] Minny.

could add some clarity for post-season play a few teams
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
5-4.  No worries.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 11:02:33 AM
Found some old cash in a betting account and started running it up.  What a country!

Thanks, Mr Matz and Mr Lester - as well as Arsenal.

I wont bore you all with further detail.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 05:08:38 PM
20k down to 10  then up to 40

a 4-bagger

heh

well it took 8 pitchers and almost 200 pitches in a 2-run game

and the bats got hot and RISPY at the right time


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 05:36:37 PM
Hero Harper up to .246 (31-87)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 08:20:30 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1036769347887423496 (https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1036769347887423496)

Give me Phillips vs lefties in place of AB.  Kinsler to DH.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2018, 10:52:10 PM
Sox keep rollin'

nothing flashy good night for Pearce and Porcello and pen

just played some good hard-ball.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 04, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
Sox keep rollin'

nothing flashy good night for Pearce and Porcello and pen

just played some good hard-ball.

It's very nice to see Steven Wright back on the mound, these two games.

I look forward to seeing what Kiid's hero, Brandon Phillips, has in the tank.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Day game after a night game sounds like a good game to sit some regulars so he'll probably play tomorrow.

And as the division seems like a good bet, he may see a few chances to get minutes over the next couple of weeks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 03:47:27 PM
strange yet compelling game in Atlanta

Sox down 7-1
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 05, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
 Jeez that's got to be their most ridiculous win ever. The Nats are going to run down the Braves.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 04:01:38 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Red Sox
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Rd Sox

That was a stunning game in so many ways.

Wow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Rd Sox

That was a stunning game in so many ways.

Wow.

wow is right

I came in at 7-1

saw the improbable pinch-hitter driven 8th inning comeback

then the nut-punch go ahead Freeman dinger in the bottom of the 8th

and then the Phillips blast in the 9th

Acuna in left never budged, Phillips killed that ball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
Beni had a nice game - tip of the cap.

Sox front office with strong showing today (Cora hire - ----> handling of Phillips)

Best takeaway was the SIGH OF RELIEF from Braves radio guys (and later heard the TV call as well on Freeman homer) after Betts did not deliver go ahead RBI in 8th and Freddie put them ahead with the dinger.  They were super comfy til Dat Dude wrecked it.

Acuna didnt move.  Pitchers hate that.  Nice job, rook.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 05, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
Wow. Look who's number two: http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html (http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html)

And guess who's not on the list?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 06:58:27 PM
Today's quiz

Name 5 MLB players that lead their respective 2018 teams in HR, RBI and batting average
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
Add WAR to the list of baseball metrics the troll knows little about.

You really should try to read and understand the articles you post.


Williams rated as the 2nd greatest hitter on that list, is "overated" because his actual WAR of 126 (right behind Aaron at 132) was adjusted for the almost 5 years he missed, adding some 38 WAR points and 38/126 was the 2nd largest %  increase.

If you bothered to take a look at the stats and Williams WAR #s in 1942 and 1946, they averaged over 10WAR evey year. A reasonable adjustment for a young Williams coming into his prime for those 3 years (1943-45) would be in excess of 31. Then there is the Korean war years which would add roughly another 12 WAR.

Adding those reasonable WAR estimates place Williams as #1 WAR offensive player.

Aaron needed no adjustment for lost war time in his 25 years.

That's why he's not on the list, you moron.

You are so fucking dumb.

Williams OBP (#1 alltime) and OPS (#2) ranking, and .344 life time BA do not reflect adjustments, but what he did in his 17 non-military service years. .

But its good to know that Williams, Gehrig, Joe Dimaggio, Jimmie Foxx, Shoeless Joe and Ernie Banks are all overated because of some adjustment  that was never made to their (sorry Shoeless) Hall of Fame careers.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 05, 2018, 07:36:21 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 07:38:31 PM
Wow. Look who's number two: http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html (http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html)

And guess who's not on the list?

Quite entertaining.

He rejects the extension of the ELO rating because Ted's from Boston and therefore highly popular?!

Then he grants that the WAR's being increased for comparison purposes is appropriate because of the war non-WAR years.

Williams' WAR/PA is about 20% higher than Aaron's (though the person who compiled his list of those missed the boat).

Let me know when you find a scientific examination of the ELO ratings rather than an off-the-cuff social analysis. Meanwhile, keep trying to make Hammerin' Hank into something he never was.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.

I knew Jack Nicholson.

Jack Nicholson was a friend of mine.

You, sir, are no Jack Nicholson.

With apology to Lloyd's of Austin.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.

Troll

You lost this discussion a week ago and have only compounded your injuries with recent futile efforts.

You should probably lick your wounds and call it a day.

and read the article you posted, it doesn't say what you hoped it did. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 05, 2018, 09:26:04 PM
The beatings will continue...

Of course, in 15 or so years, you have yet to understand the game.

Heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check/braves-are-pretty-good-just-not-red-sox-good-and-that-expected/W6f3pmfrQhp6g86oBGWYyL/ (https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check/braves-are-pretty-good-just-not-red-sox-good-and-that-expected/W6f3pmfrQhp6g86oBGWYyL/)

"The Braves are good, but not Red Sox good - and that is to be expected."

Atlanta writer discussing the payroll gape.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 09:58:51 PM
The beatings will continue...

Of course, in 15 or so years, you have yet to understand the game.

Heh

Troll

You've once again been shown to come up empty in a discussion which was settled a week ago.

you are 0-for-a week, and have a .000 BA.  an .000 OBP, and .000 slugging % and .000 OPS.

you have struck out at every attempt.

You've changed your responses from Rose to Cobb to Aaron

you're getting warmer, but you're still wrong and are way out of your league

and i suspect you may know you're wrong, as you change answers and change the arguments, but your poor self-esteem can't deal with that.

tough luck troll, you got your ass kicked again

So while I kick your ass, feel free to comtinue to beat your pin-head against the wall, as that is the only beating you seem capable to administer.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 10:34:59 PM
the troll seems fixated on the topic.

I'm just exposing the fallacies of his every changing arguments.

He doesn't take losing arguments very well.





Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 11:13:55 PM
Severino got off to a rocky start against the A's tonight, though he looked much better in the 2nd inning.

One wonders if this will be another CFBW for the Yanks.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 11:51:43 PM
Its 7-0 in the 5th, and if the Ys CFBW it, they will steal win of the day from the Sox.

I'll have to be surprised by the score in the AM.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 12:05:57 AM
Its 7-0 in the 5th, and if the Ys CFBW it, they will steal win of the day from the Sox.

I'll have to be surprised by the score in the AM.

Goodnight.

I would not bet on being surprised.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 06, 2018, 09:23:05 AM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 06, 2018, 05:13:05 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.



Still winning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.



Still winning.

I gather you have learned that it is far easier to win when you play with yourself instead of with others.

Knock yourself out, Utley.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 10:12:07 PM
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Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 10:13:07 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 07, 2018, 02:44:07 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.



Wow.

I think you should delete this.  Please.

Okay.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 07, 2018, 02:55:13 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 07, 2018, 03:12:46 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.

Locus of control in action.

Wow.

I think you should delete this.  Please.

Okay.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 07, 2018, 09:42:16 PM
 Fucking Cora

Great time to have tryouts.

Owes Price an apology.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 10:53:11 PM
Dombrowski's aching Achille's heal acted up again.

those last 3 innings are gonna be tricky in October
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2018, 08:09:22 PM
turned on the game in the 8th at 5-2

almost a nice comeback in the 9th

a month ago JD doesn't miss those wannabe walk-off pitches

so close

right now Astros are better
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
test
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
Niiiiiiice play, Tendi

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 12:17:20 AM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.

A little heart-pounding.

While not the weekend series I might have hoped for, effective overall.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 10, 2018, 09:08:52 AM
Not sure I liked the call on the play at the plate.

Yeah...AL playoffs will be awesome this year, whether we see A's or Yanks joining Astros and Indians.

Had my +250 bet on HOU from preseason so I will stay with that.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 09:26:13 AM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.

A little heart-pounding.

While not the weekend series I might have hoped for, effective overall.

A little heat-pounding at the right times is ok.

I would have liked to see the Sox win 2 of 3, but all 3 of those games were in play to the end.

It was good stuff.

The takeaway though was slight edge Astros, and mostly because the bullpen.

I hope they're the ALCS match-up
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 09:30:24 AM
I'm pretty sure I had a Astros-Nats or Cubs WS, with Astros repeating.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 12:29:53 PM
Not sure I liked the call on the play at the plate.

Yeah...AL playoffs will be awesome this year, whether we see A's or Yanks joining Astros and Indians.

Had my +250 bet on HOU from preseason so I will stay with that.

Probably a matter of knowing how to act.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 10, 2018, 06:37:04 PM
Phadin' Phil's...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
Sox with some late inning lightning notch win #99

last time Sox won 99 games was in '78.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 04:03:25 AM
Sox with some late inning lightning notch win #99

last time Sox won 99 games was in '78.

Yankees followed that with a loss. '78 is getting further out of the thoughts of even the most paranoid RS fans.

Not over, yet, but it doesn't feel the same.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:20:49 AM
agreed it doesn't feel like '78

just brought uo '78 for the high-water 99 wins in my (as far as I know all here) life-time.

ftr was lucky enough to see the '78 99th in person, probably the most electrifying game I ever saw


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 11:29:59 AM
Feels like '75

7-8 game lead all through August.  Got down to 5 by 8/10 and as low as 3.5, closest Orioles got

Of course at that time there wasnt the cushion of making the WC.  And we had to beat just the one team (A's) - not 2 (likely Yanks and Astros) to get to the Series.

Eddie Armbrister.  OUCH.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
or to date, maybe like '07, got out of the gate fast, and held the lead to the finish.

stress level so far has been low

bigger ouch in '75 came from Vern Ruhle

and screw Larry Barnett
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 09:19:05 PM
Fuck

You

Cora!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 09:33:24 PM
Never mind.


You suck, Tendi!


- That's better
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2018, 09:47:25 PM
Sometimes I think your Kid moniker has nothing to do with Gary Carter.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
its funny considering I've watched this game for over 60 years that from time to time I still see something I've never seen before.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 10:05:24 PM
its funny considering I've watched this game for over 60 years that from time to time I still see something I've never seen before.

What did I miss? I had work between when they scored their run and the last two pitches of the game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:17:23 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 10:30:14 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.

I was a younger man.

Now I'm not.

The 100th win?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.

I was a younger man.

Now I'm not.

The 100th win?

Yup.

My kid just texted me with a "Woohoo!"

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 13, 2018, 04:42:17 PM
Congrats to the Red Sox on a great season. That World Championship is becoming the norm at Fenway, isn't it?

Wait.

The season's not over?

No playoff games have been played?

Okay.

Well congrats for making the playoffs, despite the weak division, of course.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
I think the discussion was about winning 100 games in the regular season.

I'm pretty sure there wasn't any talk of post-season victories.

Little premature.

although a few weeks ago there was some chatter about some parallels to the '78 season.

I think it was based more on hoped for future schadefreude. But that's just speculation. 

Since only the Phillies have fallen out of the post-season race,

As to the weak AL East, as is more often the case than not there are 3 pretty good teams in the division, one eh team in Canada and the Orioles who are having a miserable season.

So far the Sox are playing .721 ball in the division, but just .636 vs the AL West and only .600 vs the AL Central.

Of course that relative weakness is offset by the .824 (14-3) they have achieved vs the NL East. 

But the season's not over yet as they still have 3 against the Mets.

   
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
Speaking of the Mets, David Wright to call it quits, after one last cameo appearance to say goodbye.

He seemed like a good guy and destined for a potential HoF career.

I hope someone grooves one for him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 12:00:44 AM
Sox 55 games over for first time in 106 years.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:07:40 AM
Sox 55 games over for first tome in 106 years.

Not true.

They reached 56 games over twice in the 1946 campaign.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:44:57 AM
Congrats to the Red Sox on a great season. That World Championship is becoming the norm at Fenway, isn't it?

Wait.

The season's not over?

No playoff games have been played?

Okay.

Well congrats for making the playoffs, despite the weak division, of course.

Your irrelevant comment about the playoffs has already been responded to.

Duh, after the last two seasons we know very well that the playoffs are their own thing.

100 wins still doesn't happen often.


But your final comment is just jerky. I presume it's your usual chain-yanking. (Sorry, Yank!)

Nonetheless, a couple facts for you:

The Red Sox have won 61.3% of games against teams above .500 this season
They've won 76.1% against teams below .500.

Their rate against above .500 teams is good enough to win 99 games in a full season.

Only 4 teams in the AL have winning records against the teams with winning records. The Yankees have the second highest percentage, with Houston third, and Seattle fourth. Houston's won two more such games, while losing twelve more. Cleveland's got a 42.6% winning percentage against them.

Weak division? Houston's 14-13 against the AL East. Only 3 other external teams had a winning record against the ALE, and only Oakland had a very good record.

Of course, only three teams outside the ALW had winning records against them - but all three were ALE teams. (Only one outside team had a losing record against the ALC!)

The strongest NL record against .500+ teams won about 56%.

Yeah, your need to put down whatever the Red Sox have accomplished is duly noted.

As usual.

And wrongheaded, as is often, but not always, the case.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 01:22:56 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2018, 01:34:32 PM
or the most famous example 1954 Indians.

But the premise its "only flags count: is BS.

Most of us are watch and enjoy a sports where our teams rarely win a championship.

but we keep on watching, knowing there is only a modest chance of a champioship.

IMO its the game, skills, real drama, unscripted suspense and the sport.

The flag is a bonus.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.

Yesterday, I was listening to a discussion about who remembers what and how 100+ wins is meaningless without a ring vs. 100+ wins is meaningful.

The radio guys asked the caller to name the last winner of 100+ games and he couldn't. They understandably mocked him, since he was insisting it was important.

But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

Without the 116 wins, nobody remembers those Mariners, but even with them, mostly people remember that they lost, but not to whom or how or anything. Yeah, here I expect people might remember it. Or some of us, at least, but likely not all.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
or the most famous example 1954 Indians.

But the premise its "only flags count: is BS.

Most of us are watch and enjoy a sports where our teams rarely win a championship.

but we keep on watching, knowing there is only a modest chance of a champioship.

IMO its the game, skills, real drama, unscripted suspense and the sport.

The flag is a bonus.
I will gladly trade last year's win streak for Houston's rings.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 14, 2018, 02:35:18 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)
it's a.thin line between stupid and clever.  I had me a brain fart in memory of the late, great Ray Oyler.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.

Good point. Oops!

But nobody knows who that was, either, the vast bulk of the time.

The Mariners are more deeply embedded in our memories.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)
it's a.thin line between stupid and clever.  I had me a brain fart in memory of the late, great Ray Oyler.

Hah! Not a bad brain fart as such things go.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 14, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.

Good point. Oops!

But nobody knows who that was, either, the vast bulk of the time.

The Mariners are more deeply embedded in our memories.
Maybe.  But I think that because the Yankees were going for their 4th WS in a row that season (and 5th of 6), I think most baseball fans remember well that it was them that knocked the Mariners off. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 14, 2018, 05:40:03 PM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.

It don't mean a thing, if you don't get that ring!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 06:01:38 PM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.

It don't mean a thing, if you don't get that ring!

Doo wop, doo wop, doo wop!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 08:00:45 PM
Not the single most captivating performance by a Red Sox team this year.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Yeah......missed an easy bet tonight with Mets.

Could be a sweep.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
Meanwhile..........

YOU



SUCK



TENDI !!!!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 10:26:57 PM
Not the single most captivating performance by a Red Sox team this year.

Ugly by the 3rd. Still ugly in the 9th.

Tomorrow is another day!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 10:45:15 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 10:46:52 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday

Why on earth would I trust you?

And given who the Mets have starting tomorrow? No, thanks.

And... I don't only watch them when they are winning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 08:00:57 AM
I see Mets battering Porcello

But you are right.  Looks like an 8-7 type game - could go either way
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
Sounds like I picked a good game to miss.

and Tendi sucked again?

he's had a tough year.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 15, 2018, 01:16:33 PM
GLS starting early this fall.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
GLS starting early this fall.

Oh?

You're blaming Kapler for the Phillies' implosion?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 02:59:02 PM
Sox -260

Mets +210

I passed.

Took a stab at the NO bet on "will a team score in the first?"

Got Cubs -1.5 runs vs Reds, Lester on the bump.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
Jeeze kid, in a game you handicapped as a toss-up -110 game, if you can get +210 seems to me you gotta grab it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
You bet PITCHERS and consider hot/cold offenses and home/away.

Mets are hot - but lose the other 2.  Better spots for my cash.

I do figure Oswalt to be able to navigate the first inning.  Thus a small bet there at even money.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
I understand baseball betting.

and risk management.

If you handicapped the game as Mets -110, which is what you unknowingly did, and can get Mets +210, you should make the bet.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
You bet PITCHERS and consider hot/cold offenses and home/away.

Mets are hot - but lose the other 2.  Better spots for my cash.

I do figure Oswalt to be able to navigate the first inning.  Thus a small bet there at even money.

So much for that figuring!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
3 more walks for Bryce Harper.

Now has 116 BB to go with his 124 hits.

94-33-95-12
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 15, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
GLS starting early this fall.

Oh?

You're blaming Kapler for the Phillies' implosion?

Was there an implosion?

Who knew?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
Mets fans in force at Fenway

they all were away blue colored coordinated

it was nice

as was the bipartisan chanting in the 8th

heh

JBJ got jobbed

but alls well that ends well

good win

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Mets fans in force at Fenway

they all were away blue colored coordinated

it was nice

as was the bipartisan chanting in the 8th

heh

JBJ got jobbed

but alls well that ends well

good win

And the Yankees spin continued, too, though they got lucky with the Oakland loss.

Magic number = 4 with 13 to play.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 01:14:48 PM
Frozen computer prevented this before game time, but...

my prediction for today is that the Red Sox score more than 3 runs against DeGrom.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 02:00:29 PM
Bogaerts another off day
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 02:34:08 PM
Mets about to be 12-18 in deGrom starts

Cy Young advocates - sit the f down
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 02:41:19 PM
Bogaerts another off day

JD, too.

Cora explained his plan for doing this last week. With the day off tomorrow, he hopes the extra rest will make them fresher for the post-season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 03:02:03 PM
We are  basically fielding the Columbus Clippers today.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 03:53:18 PM
Frozen computer prevented this before game time, but...

my prediction for today is that the Red Sox score more than 3 runs against DeGrom.

So much for my prognostication!

Sox waited for DeGrom to leave before getting their 4th.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 04:07:56 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday

Like I said, why trust you on that?!

Two out of three. Not quite as good as the overall record vs. the NL, but it will do.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 04:26:53 PM
pretty good game

deGrom is good, but I'm not sure if I'd vote him NL CY. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Scherzer is an easy call I think.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 05:55:49 PM
or Nola.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Nola has cooled off a bit, I think, and if it's about stats I think Scherzer got the edge everywhere (last I checked and I could be way off there). If it's about the incredibly subjective "who's a better pitcher" test I think Scherzer still has the edge.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 06:15:57 PM
Scherzer has been my favorite non-Sox pitcher for the last few years. I really enjoy watching him pitch. But I was posting in response to he would be an "easy" CY choice.

Statistically I think its pretty close between him and Nola.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 09:43:37 PM
Wainwright turning back the clock tonight.  Scintillating breaking pitch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 17, 2018, 01:54:21 PM
Nola has cooled off a bit, I think, and if it's about stats I think Scherzer got the edge everywhere (last I checked and I could be way off there). If it's about the incredibly subjective "who's a better pitcher" test I think Scherzer still has the edge.

Nola outpitched Scherzer head to head. Twice. Within one week.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 17, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
https://m.herosports.com/mlb/player-comparison/aaron-nola-vs-maxwell-scherzer (https://m.herosports.com/mlb/player-comparison/aaron-nola-vs-maxwell-scherzer)

Close race.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2018, 02:18:48 PM
WAR can be whack

How is it Mikolas WAR is just 3.4 with a 15-4, 2.99 mark?

Wheeler 3.9 WAR and 11-7, 3.23

Corbin   4.7 WAR   11-5, 3.05
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 18, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
Updated World Series odds

Looking at CLE .... good buy there at 10-1

https://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/mlb-baseball_futures-world_series_2018.aspx (https://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/mlb-baseball_futures-world_series_2018.aspx)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 09:49:54 AM
It was 10D's fault
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 19, 2018, 06:45:12 PM
Shoe on other foot, Dems bury it

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/keith-ellison-domestic-violence-accuser-says-democratic-party-doesnt-believe-her-story.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/keith-ellison-domestic-violence-accuser-says-democratic-party-doesnt-believe-her-story.html)
Wrong thread, dummy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2018, 09:14:02 PM
Betts catches that Voit popup

But great to see JD out there getting some jogging in
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 09:23:18 PM
Pitchers duel in the Bronx.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 11:21:40 PM
Pitchers duel in the Bronx.

With a satisfying ending for the Bosox fans.

Still want to reach at least 106 wins. Honestly, 111 sounds better.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2018, 11:22:13 PM
now that's was a helluva way to clinch the division
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 20, 2018, 11:23:15 PM
Congrats to Sox fans.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 11:51:39 PM
now that's was a helluva way to clinch the division

Sure was!

Rollercoaster game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 11:53:00 PM
Congrats to Sox fans.

Thanks - you're more than likely to get into the post-season, yourselves, so it is quite unclear that the Sox have seen the last of the Yankees for 2018.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 08:39:09 AM
Congrats to Sox fans.

Thanks, Soto
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2018, 09:54:25 AM
Congrats to Sox fans.

Thanks - you're more than likely to get into the post-season, yourselves, so it is quite unclear that the Sox have seen the last of the Yankees for 2018.

Unless the A's
Get in the way

We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know we'll meet again some sunny day


And that Betts kid is a special kind of ballplayer
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2018, 07:50:01 PM
Sox lineup tonight looks like its from a ST split squad game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 08:08:41 PM
Ignore if you hate trivia

https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1043138160581128193 (https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1043138160581128193)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 21, 2018, 09:54:55 PM
Boston fan shocked by their win: https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2796930-red-sox-fan-dies-after-being-electrocuted-train-surfing-after-game-vs-yankees.amp.html (https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2796930-red-sox-fan-dies-after-being-electrocuted-train-surfing-after-game-vs-yankees.amp.html)

Friggin' dope.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 21, 2018, 11:35:00 PM
105.

A fine comeback by the scrubs.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 22, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
pretty good game

deGrom is good, but I'm not sure if I'd vote him NL CY.

Yeah

He's "good".

Heh.7th u17
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 03:06:42 PM
Damn - there goes my HAPP win.

Beckham has some tools.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 04:59:22 PM
Gregorius may  be  gone for the rest of 2018.

Not helpful for the Yankees.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 08:47:15 AM
The END of the Yankee run, if true.

May get ONE game vs Sox now.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 24, 2018, 08:50:35 AM
Brian Doyle!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 02:27:47 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 02:58:48 PM
This year's bloody sock.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 24, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
I'm not sure if Kid got my point which was simply that the Yankees won the World Series with Brian Doyle playing for the supposedly indispensable Willie Randolph.  I don't want Ronald Torryes and Neil Walker to play second (Torres moving to short) for an entire season, but it could work for a short stretch of time. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 03:56:25 PM
heh

2 points for you

The one you made and the one on top of your head
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 24, 2018, 04:11:28 PM
Even your insults are stupid.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
its not every day you see 106 YO records broken.

I'm pretty sure its 10D's fault.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 08:16:00 AM
AB had a nice game.  Need a few more this week (I am sure all the regs get at least one of the games if not more to rest)

What was the record?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
regular season franchise wins
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 11:06:40 AM
1912 team still arguably better

That Heinie Wagner was a hell of a ballplayer

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2018, 04:36:35 PM
Never saw the '12 team play, so I'll defer to you.

The quest for 107 postponed until tomorrow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 07:56:30 PM
Who in history?

30 2b
35 hr
100 runs
100 rbi
125 bb

for a season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 25, 2018, 08:08:59 PM
Who in history?

30 2b
35 hr
100 runs
100 rbi
125 bb

for a season.

36 2b
34 hr
107 runs
103 rbi
127 bb
39 sb

for a season.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 09:14:49 PM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 25, 2018, 11:07:48 PM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)

And 11 more runs produced. But I chose a simpler year.

The best thing about your example was the even 100 runs and ribbies.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 26, 2018, 09:02:42 AM
Even your insults are stupid.
No insult. He was just pointing out what a sharp guy you are.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 26, 2018, 09:03:19 AM
Sox don't make the World Series. Book it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2018, 10:41:38 AM
IIRC my preseason picks for the series was Astros-(Nats or LADs-don't remember which), with Astros repeating.

Pretty sure I had
AL div winners
Sox
Tribe
Astros

WC-Yankees (don't remember 2nd team, maybe Seattle)

NL

Nats
Cubs
LADs

WC-don't remember


Still think Astros should be favored.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2018, 11:10:17 AM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)

And 11 more runs produced. But I chose a simpler year.

The best thing about your example was the even 100 runs and ribbies.

All numbers should of course have a + after them.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 26, 2018, 03:42:23 PM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)

And 11 more runs produced. But I chose a simpler year.

The best thing about your example was the even 100 runs and ribbies.

All numbers should of course have a + after them.

It's an argument.

For my numbers today, I intentionally chose ones less likely to be subject to *, if not +.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 26, 2018, 05:08:24 PM
IIRC my preseason picks for the series was Astros-(Nats or LADs-don't remember which), with Astros repeating.

Pretty sure I had
AL div winners
Sox
Tribe
Astros

WC-Yankees (don't remember 2nd team, maybe Seattle)

NL

Nats
Cubs
LADs

WC-don't remember


Still think Astros should be favored.
I have all my picks saved somewhere. I will repost them, though it may take me until the end of October to find them. I expect uncanny accuracy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 26, 2018, 05:18:06 PM
If my math is correct, if Boston wins out and Baltimore loses out, Baltimore will set a Modern Era record by finishing 66 games back, beating the 1909 Boston Doves by half a game, and the AL record 1939 St. Louis Browns 64.5 by 1.5 games. The playoff era record - Detroit 2003, a measly 47 GB? Shattered.

The all time record, set by the egregious Cleveland Spiders in 1899 - 84 GB - is out of reach.  Better luck next year, Orioles!

Almost makes me want to root for the Red Sox for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 08:08:07 AM
Preseason picks are cool, if you want to go back (we all had WAS, CHI, LA - I am sure)

But picks this coming Monday - after we have the teams all set - would be a nice contest (number of games per series as a bonus)

I will post mine if I remember

(FTR, I believe I had a HOU repeat - over Cubs - but could have been over Nats)

- Still mulling a +240 Cubs bet for the NL title.  Worried about their bullpen.  Staying way away in the AL. thoug best looking $$ would be CLE
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on September 27, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
Preseason picks are cool, if you want to go back (we all had WAS, CHI, LA - I am sure)

But picks this coming Monday - after we have the teams all set - would be a nice contest (number of games per series as a bonus)

I will post mine if I remember

(FTR, I believe I had a HOU repeat - over Cubs - but could have been over Nats)

- Still mulling a +240 Cubs bet for the NL title.  Worried about their bullpen.  Staying way away in the AL. thoug best looking $$ would be CLE

I had a Cubs-Indians WS, with Cubs winning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 27, 2018, 01:12:32 PM
If my math is correct, if Boston wins out and Baltimore loses out, Baltimore will set a Modern Era record by finishing 66 games back, beating the 1909 Boston Doves by half a game, and the AL record 1939 St. Louis Browns 64.5 by 1.5 games. The playoff era record - Detroit 2003, a measly 47 GB? Shattered.

The all time record, set by the egregious Cleveland Spiders in 1899 - 84 GB - is out of reach.  Better luck next year, Orioles!

Almost makes me want to root for the Red Sox for the rest of the year.
Well piss on that. Thanks a lot, Red Sox.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 29, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
Not the most scintillating game ever, for all that it is lovely to hear Toddler Cello do the game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 30, 2018, 07:27:01 PM
Also not scintillating, though I enjoyed it more!

The pitching roster should be entertaining for the playoffs.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on September 30, 2018, 07:34:44 PM
There is a poll here:

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=67.0 (http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=67.0)

I don't know why it appeared there instead of where a poll normally appears.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 01, 2018, 05:30:11 PM
I loved that after 162 games and 7 innings, the Cubs and Brewers were still tied.

It only lasted 3.5 innings for the Dodgers and Rockies (so far).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 01, 2018, 09:48:23 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2798238-mlb-postseason-power-rankings-where-all-10-playoff-teams-stack-up?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide10 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2798238-mlb-postseason-power-rankings-where-all-10-playoff-teams-stack-up?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide10)

I think the piece ignores the huge questions for the Red Sox starters in the post season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2018, 09:18:31 AM
Rockies, Yankees
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 02, 2018, 10:07:19 AM
It appears that the Yankees still haven't announced their starter.  No matter who it is, though, I think they're going to lose.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 02, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
Cubs tonight.
A's tomorrow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 02, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Rockies, A's
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 12:31:16 AM
Quite the game tonight! (or this morning, where I am, but they're in Chicago)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
While I'm picking Oakland tonight, I think the Yankees are getting a huge break with the A's decision to start Denny Galehouse. I know it 's a "bullpen start" thing but in post-season games such shenanigans can be too cute by a half.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2018, 09:50:44 AM
Ah, screw it.  I'm changing my pick to the Yankees.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2018, 10:06:04 AM
It's Hendricks' start (should be interesting to see if they let him go a second inning if the first goes well)

But CAHILL's game, in all likelihood.

Hendricks - 1
Petit - 1
Cahill - 5
Treinen - 2

Ideally for A's

(disclaimer - just a guess - off Cahill stats and his 4 IP three days ago)

Trivino wasnt good last time out.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
Real good game last night.

rough season ending for the Cubs

Denny Galehouse-

heh

a great example of the storied tradition of fan 2nd guessing

f'ing Joe McCarthy

tonight I got no idea

Ys favorite at  -175
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
Hendrik's last 7 "starts"

7 innings, 4 hits, 0 BB, 6 K, 0 ER
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2018, 10:22:47 AM
I tend to be leery of the use gimmicks in the post-season.  But I guess you stay with what's worked.   Though my criticism of the Hendrick's choice is certainly not a second guess.  My first guess is that he'll do badly. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 03, 2018, 10:35:36 AM
I'll take the As in one.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2018, 08:46:20 PM
YG right about Hendriks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 11:35:50 PM
"Theeeeeeeeeee Yankees win!" says Mr. Sterling.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 11:53:20 PM

Astros vs. Indians in its own forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=68.0
Brewers vs. Rockies in the National League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=5.30
Dodgers vs. Braves in the Major League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=6.0
Title: Re: American League
Post by: luee on October 04, 2018, 08:39:24 AM
 OK Yanks-Sox in five. Severino good for four plus. Teams must have studied the tapes at all-star break he is no longer dominate. Voit pick-up helped me win fantasy, second best hitter in the majors for the final 3 weeks. Hendriks succumbed  to stadium pressure. Bad choice to start.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2018, 12:22:23 AM
Dodgers looked pretty solid. Braves did not. We'll see what game two brings.

Brewers/Rox was a great game. Looking forward to game two.

Lots of baseball to watch tomorrow!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 05, 2018, 09:32:38 AM
Dodgers looked pretty solid. Braves did not.

So....LA won?  Thanks.

Not sure what to make of "didn't look solid"
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2018, 09:38:30 PM
https://www.theringer.com/2018/10/5/17941388/yankees-red-sox-alds-strong-weak

The Puny Red Sox Have No Chance in the ALDS Against the Big, Beefy Yankees
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2018, 11:17:51 PM
I aged 3 years watching that game

that game was Chinese water torture
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 05, 2018, 11:22:31 PM
Stanton's 9th inning at-"bat" might go down in history as the worst ever.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 05, 2018, 11:27:18 PM
Awinzawin.

And I'll take it, especially given the dire predictions for the day.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
Awinzawin.

And I'll take it, especially given the dire predictions for the day.

Did Collins find her soul, and told Mitch and the boys to get lost?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2018, 10:39:37 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Steven_Wright_1994.jpg/220px-Steven_Wright_1994.jpg)

Sore knee to sideline Steven Wright for ALDS


 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 06, 2018, 03:45:25 PM
Stanton's 9th inning at-"bat" might go down in history as the worst ever.

Deer neets headlights.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 06, 2018, 07:03:11 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Steven_Wright_1994.jpg/220px-Steven_Wright_1994.jpg)

Sore knee to sideline Steven Wright for ALDS

Might have been nice to know before the rosters were set or at least before yesterday's game. His being replaced on the roster means he is out for the ALCS, too, though contheivably still available for a World Series appearance should the Red Sox make it that far without him.

I am sure the bullpen will miss his humor during the early parts of games.

Maybe he and Dan Hicks can hang out and watch together?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
could have used him to kill some inning tonight.

David Price came up HUUUUUUGE once again in the post-season.

He sucked something fierce tonight.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 06, 2018, 11:47:07 PM
GLS . Begin.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 06, 2018, 11:57:25 PM
That was a whole lot less enjoyable (or heart attack inducing) than last night's game.

I guarantee we will not lose tomorrow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 06, 2018, 11:58:47 PM
GLS . Begin.

B.O.S. began a long time ago and is never ending.

Nobody blames Cora for Price's start or for the 3 run homer later in the game. But believe (or make up, I suppose) what you will. You always do.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 12:04:40 AM
No second guessing tonight.

Price spit the bit and Tanaka didn't.

Yankees crushed the ball

Sox didn't.

Series 1-1.

Troll-That you still don't understand why baseball fans 2nd guess managerial mistakes, as in Grady Little's fuck-up in '03, is a gaping hole in your knowledge. 

That you label fans talking about a team's weakness, as "GLS" when for example the Sox bullpen was discussed several months ago, is fine, its stupid, and adds nothing to the conversation, but you seldom have anything of value to the conversation.

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
Pedro had every right to be in that game, but maybe Grady should have let Martinez take himself out - and risk his legacy that way.

heh

Price was hooked quickly - as was Happ - sign of the times.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 09:24:46 PM
Pedro had every right to be in that game, but maybe Grady should have let Martinez take himself out - and risk his legacy that way.

heh

Price was hooked quickly - as was Happ - sign of the times.

Price was getting killed last night, and Cora acted correctly to try and limit the damage. I've no problem with his decison. Joe Kelly kept them in the game.

And we've discussed Pedro endlessly.

A simple Google search of worst baseball managerial moves ever places Grady's fuck-up among the worst ever.

That you don't understand this is understandable.

Pedro had pitched 7 innings, and after a difficult 7th inning should have been pulled.

He shouid have been on the shortest of short leashs, but Grady left him in for 5 batters, the last four all hitting safely, a single and 3 doubles, tied game.

It was insane, only compounded by the fact the Sox had a pretty decent BP to protect the 3-run lead and get those final 6 outs.

Pedro's legacy is safe from Grady's managerial miscarriage, Grady's was not.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
When the great are tasked to BE GREAT and it doesnt work out............ kill the manager/coach.

Its sports.  Pedro gave it up that day.  Makes him no less the hero.  Could just have easily have NOT gotten beat.

Now - about McMamara pulling Schiraldi........
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
When the great are tasked to BE GREAT and it doesnt work out............ kill the manager/coach.

Its sports.  Pedro gave it up that day.  Makes him no less the hero.  Could just have easily have NOT gotten beat.

Now - about McMamara pulling Schiraldi........

Kid

Sometimes being contrarian is smart.

Sometimes its just plain stupid.

Pedro was spent in the 7th, giving up a HR, single, single, before ending the inning with a K.

He did his job, the tank was about on E, but he had a 5-2 lead.

But Little, despite having a tested BP ready, put Pedro in a position to fail by putting him out there again in the 8th.

And he gave up 4 hits to 5 batters in the 8th, including 3 doubles.

So to sum up, the last 9 hittters Pedro faced in the 7th and 8th went 7 for 9 off him.

Your fact-free defense of Little is almost uniquely contrarian,  and plainly on its face, stupid.

But you are free to believe whatever you like.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 10:32:14 AM
I stay with my ace at 5-2.  Into the NINTH - you have a case - but not with six outs left - and like with the 1986 Buckner situation - Red Sox fans' SURETY that we'd have won had Pedro been removed - is irrational.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 10:43:33 AM
I stay with my ace at 5-2.  Into the NINTH - you have a case - but not with six outs left - and like with the 1986 Buckner situation - Red Sox fans' SURETY that we'd have won had Pedro been removed - is irrational.

Timlin and Williamson were ready and they did their jobs in that series.

Pedro stuggled to get out of the 7th but he did.

He was done. Tank was empty.

And everyone but Little seemed to get it.

But Little asked him for more when he had Tmlin and Williamson ready to go.

Ok, short leash time for Pedro, but 5 batters, the last 4 getting hits off him?

Thats just fucking crazy.


Like i said Google "worst manager decision" and while you're at it, google the definition of insanity.

Believe what you want.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 10:56:28 AM
Red Sox hitters will tell you they should have scored more than 1 run in innings 5-11 vs the likes of Mussina, Heredia, Nelson, Wells and a (supposedly) tiring Rivera.   And one really has to wonder - what the hell was Mariano doing in there up to 48 pitches?

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:08:21 AM
Rivera had only twice as a closer gone over 30 pitches in a postseason game (31, 32)....
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Red Sox hitters will tell you they should have scored more than 1 run in innings 5-11 vs the likes of Mussina, Heredia, Nelson, Wells and a (supposedly) tiring Rivera.   And one really has to wonder - what the hell was Mariano doing in there up to 48 pitches?

heh

All irrelvant if Grady did his job

Sox win probablity at the end of the 7th was 91%

if Grady used his BP, 9 out of 10 times, he wins the game, leading 5-2 after 7.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:19:40 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:22:36 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:28:06 AM
Yanks were far the better team in 2003.

Sox took the proper steps for '04.  Still lost the division but on paper we were so much better in 2004.

Sox should win this year, as Yanks did in 2003.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 08, 2018, 11:29:47 AM
Kid knows things.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:32:20 AM
kid

you suck at  supporting your positions.

Seriously, you're not very good at integrating facts and opinions.

Nor giving an honest count about your "predicting" prowess

But to give credit when credit is due, you're half-decent at changing the subject when you're hopelessly lost.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:34:36 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

I knew you wouldnt answer

Yanks had Nick Johnsonleading off, then it was the heart of the lineup.

Give me the moves.

Most important - who closes?  Wakefield?

It wasnt a good bullpen that year.  Not sure why you remember it as such.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:01 AM
Just one matchup was for certain in that eighth.  Embree for Giambi.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:58 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

I knew you wouldnt answer

Yanks had Nick Johnsonleading off, then it was the heart of the lineup.

Give me the moves.

Most important - who closes?  Wakefield?

Ir wasnt a good bullpen that year.  Not sure why you remember it as such.

I provided the information before you asked the question

Google "Timlin in the 8th and Willimson in the 9th"

It was a pretty popular phrase WBW, and I think it what was Theo yelled at Grady as he fired him.

or re-read my post a few posts upthread.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:40:38 AM
Kid knows things.

and if we ever find out what he knows he may be useful one day.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
Little has Timlin intentionally walk Sierra with 2 out in the eighth.  Boone runs for Sierra - the rest is history

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 12:20:25 PM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

Timlin had 3 8th inning holds

Williamson had 3 9th inning saves

in that series.

Why Grady deviated from that successful duo by overworking an obviously spent Pedro remains a mystery to all but Grady and kid.

"Timlin in the 8th, Williamson in the 9th"

Kid glad I could explain the meaning of some Sox lore to you and ease your confusion. 

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:55:57 PM
I think a good guess sees Nick Johnson get on vs Timlin, then we are in the soup anyway with Jeter up, Giambi looming later that inning.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 01:04:07 PM
I think a good guess sees Nick Johnson get on vs Timlin, then we are in the soup anyway with Jeter up, Giambi looming later that inning.

"Timlin the 8th, Williamson in the 9th"

Kid thank your mom for your lunch. I left you the banana though.

So you can eat it.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
Well, you had the adoring masses and (eventual series) results on your side.

Congrats - and watch out for that peel in the future.....
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 02:23:34 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/17/sports/baseball/little-facing-some-blame-as-he-should.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/17/sports/baseball/little-facing-some-blame-as-he-should.html)

pay site, be forewarned
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 02:40:52 PM
Well, you had the adoring masses and (eventual series) results on your side.

Congrats - and watch out for that peel in the future.....

I find that reason, logic and facts work best in a discussion.

You should try it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 02:43:43 PM
Hall of Famer

Wanted the ball

There's your logic, dickie.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Hall of Famer

Wanted the ball

There's your logic, dickie.

Wrong again Timmy.

Manager's are paid to manage, even HoF pitchers.

Grady mismanaged.

And Pedro knew he was done after 7, that he was kept in for 5 batters in the 8th was managerial malpractice.

There was no logic in that.

None.

But I understand you are not bright enough to understand either the responsibilities of management, nor secure enough to admit you might be wrong.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
Cora going with  Devers, Pearce, Holt, Vazquez tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 05:05:25 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
Heh

Guess Bad Sevi showed......
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Interesting factoid, the last time the Sox played a post-season game in Y-Stadium they scored 10 runs.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 09:37:26 PM
Angel is what 1 for 5 tonight?

tough nite
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 08, 2018, 09:39:22 PM
Lots of action with (how the fuck is he an umpire?) Angel Hernandez at first base.

Lots of seeing eye singles for the Sox, and some look what I found fielding, too.

GLS on hold for now.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 08, 2018, 09:56:51 PM
Angel is what 1 for 5 tonight?

tough nite

2 for 5, but still a tough night. And the crowd is on him.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
Huge performance by Eovaldi
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:15:08 PM
too fucking funny

Matt Damon fopr the cycle

nice hunch Cora
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 12:34:04 AM
Ist post season cycle ever. Not too shabby, Holt.

Eovaldi was amazing.

Devers and Vasquez contributed, too. Cora pushed the right buttons.

Now, can the Sox do it again tomorrow?!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 03:38:45 AM
Hey Banks -

Notice any posts making fun of Benintendi tonight?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 09, 2018, 08:21:29 AM
Graceless.

Still haven't won anything, douchebags.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:31:46 AM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 09:56:59 AM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.

I would expect them to be favorites against either Sox or Ys to win the ALCS

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
I think when all is said and done a baseball manager really has one thing to do: knowing when to pull a pitcher. 

On the other hand I can't get too worked up about Boone messing that up if the Yankees are going to make Eovaldi look like Cy Young anyway.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:14:35 AM
Hey Banks -

Notice any posts making fun of Benintendi tonight?

Nope crickets.

With all due respect to Brockstar, 10D had the AB of the night.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 09, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 05:15:29 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 09, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
I firmly believe Cleveland will become the first team to come back from an 0 - 3 deficit in an ALDS.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 05:19:09 PM
They have the skipper with the experience and temperment to do it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2018, 05:35:25 PM
In 1975 the Phillies were 7 out with 6 to go.  Danny Ozark insisted the Phillies still had a chance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
Graceless.

Still haven't won anything, douchebags.

Duh.

My comment has nothing to do with having won the series and everything to do with a certain person's anti-10D obsession. (It is less pervasive than your Boston Obssession Syndrome, but still too present.)

Love those NY Giants, too.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:04:38 PM
I think when all is said and done a baseball manager really has one thing to do: knowing when to pull a pitcher. 




heh

as Andujar and McCutcheon hit the bench tonight.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:56:18 PM
Garrr-dy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:57:08 PM
Booney!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 09, 2018, 10:19:02 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD

GLS...and the game isn't over, yet:


https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200 (https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200)

Sabathia left the game after allowing three runs on five hits and two walks, striking out one batter and hitting another. With their season on the line, the Yankees went to their bullpen to open the fourth, but some will surely wonder whether Boone should have had a quicker hook in an elimination game.

Poor sports.

Bottom line, you lose because the other team was better.

You couldn't handle losing and blamed Grady Little, and this guy and others can't handle losing, and are already blaming Boone.

Sad.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 10:23:30 PM
Robertson out.

WTF?

Pitch count?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 10:54:39 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 11:02:51 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

I am less nervous about his pitching the 8th, now.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 11:33:20 PM
Hechevarria has to tag on that
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:37:29 PM
Keee-rist what a 9th inning

fun game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:43:59 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD

GLS...and the game isn't over, yet:


https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200 (https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200)

Sabathia left the game after allowing three runs on five hits and two walks, striking out one batter and hitting another. With their season on the line, the Yankees went to their bullpen to open the fourth, but some will surely wonder whether Boone should have had a quicker hook in an elimination game.

Poor sports.

Bottom line, you lose because the other team was better.

You couldn't handle losing and blamed Grady Little, and this guy and others can't handle losing, and are already blaming Boone.

Sad.

Troll you're just a clueless obssessed troll

Fans talk about the game, because its fun to talk about games

you just try to suck the fun from it

but you can't

you just suck

GO FUCK YOURSELF
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:50:19 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2018, 11:51:57 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 11:53:18 PM
Hechevarria has to tag on that

The fly to left?

He would have been a dead duck at 3rd.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 11:54:42 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

Thanks.

Houston is going to be a tough nut to crack. But not needing Sale in an ALDS game 5 helps a lot!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 12:00:14 AM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

thanks yank
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 08:41:41 AM
Better team won that series.

Yeah, no kidding.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 08:43:03 AM
Hechevarria has to tag on that

The fly to left?

He would have been a dead duck at 3rd.

nah,,,,,,,

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 10:30:21 AM
Random thought on the final out.

Imagine the shit-show if the call was "safe" and tieing run scores, and then upon review, it was reversed to "out"

In Y-Stadium that would have been nuts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 10, 2018, 10:36:32 AM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD

GLS...and the game isn't over, yet:


https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200 (https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200)

Sabathia left the game after allowing three runs on five hits and two walks, striking out one batter and hitting another. With their season on the line, the Yankees went to their bullpen to open the fourth, but some will surely wonder whether Boone should have had a quicker hook in an elimination game.

Poor sports.

Bottom line, you lose because the other team was better.

You couldn't handle losing and blamed Grady Little, and this guy and others can't handle losing, and are already blaming Boone.

Sad.

Troll you're just a clueless obssessed troll

Fans talk about the game, because its fun to talk about games

you just try to suck the fun from it

but you can't

you just suck

GO FUCK YOURSELF

Not my fault you don't understand the game.

But clearly it angerd you to know that your ignorance had once again been exposed to all.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 10, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

yank continued the practice of what most of us have done for years.

Congratulate the fans of the winning team.

But where you are terribly confused is,  offering congratulations for a hard fought series, is not a substitute for objective analysis of the game.

Civility and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.

Now i understand that objective analysis is not your strong point, as you are often blinded by the tunnel vision afforded by having your head so far up your ass. So you might want to consider removing your head from your butt, and wiping the shit from your eyes. That may help developing another perspective thats a little less tainted.

Or you continue to be a clueless moron troll with your head up your ass.

Doesn't really matter much to me.

Enjoy your day.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:14:31 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .

Did you bet that one too?

or do  you only bets winners?

heh

As suggested yesterday for the pennant: Astros are slight favrites at about -115 (-120) Sox +100  (-110 depending on the Astro's line)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
As the lines suggest it should be a pretty good series, I'd give the edge to the Astro's mostly on the better starting pitching.

But if Price can revert from his zombie state and Eovaldi...

There's going to be a lot of really good players on the field.

I'm pumped.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:25:03 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:28:06 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:29:23 PM
Of course I still have my team in it - so I win the AL either way -

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

 

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:33:07 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.

Just you.

You want to talk strategy -and this is what you offer?

Good Lord.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.

I know you didn't bet it, but you pretend you do, and always manage to mention after the fact, just winners you picked.

Its pretty funny, considering in all the contests we've had over the years, you generally end up in or near dead last.

You pretty much suck at predicting.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 10, 2018, 01:44:41 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.

Just you.

You want to talk strategy -and this is what you offer?

Good Lord.

Like I said, after the fact kid pretends he's a latter day Branch Rickey., a master tactician and strategist.

But he's still good with letting Pedro face the heart of the Yankee order for the 4th time around with 100 pitchs already on his arm.

Brilliant

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:53:00 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:53:56 PM
I think the early second guess for the forthcoming series is David Price vs Chris Sale

Price will still get the ball twice - but his work against HOU since 2016 says maybe he should be the Game 1 guy.

Guess they are going with the "ace" designation of Chris Sale (9 ER in 9.2, 4 HR vs Astros in last year's series loss).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:57:40 PM
No way Sale does not get the ball in Game 1.

I wonder if Price is held off for Game 3 or 4, and Eovaldi goes in Game 2.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:04:54 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.

I know you didn't bet it, but you pretend you do, and always manage to mention after the fact, just winners you picked.

Its pretty funny, considering in all the contests we've had over the years, you generally end up in or near dead last.

You pretty much suck at predicting.

So I PRETENDED the $800 at +250?

Yeah, OK, pal.

As for sucking/not sucking - like all bettors (real $$ and not) I have my moments.  But Utley is right - taking the fun out of things is YOUR sport

heh

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:16:42 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.

Sale and Price are named Game 1 and 2 starters.

I hope Price returns to the land of the living but Houston is pretty RHed and Eovaldi on lots of rest and Porecello may be better choices.

But Cora's hot anfd its his call.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:22:16 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.

I know you didn't bet it, but you pretend you do, and always manage to mention after the fact, just winners you picked.

Its pretty funny, considering in all the contests we've had over the years, you generally end up in or near dead last.

You pretty much suck at predicting.

So I PRETENDED the $800 at +250?

Yeah, OK, pal.

As for sucking/not sucking - like all bettors (real $$ and not) I have my moments.  But Utley is right - taking the fun out of things is YOUR sport

heh

The only moments you seem to post about are the "wins" you claim after the fact.

but those of us who have seen your picks understand the more complete picture.

So you want to tell me you bet $800 on a line that never existed, and then tell me you don't bet, kid stick to one story.

You got too many conflicting lies.

And learn to read, I made point that Utley sucks the joy out of everything here. He rarely posts about games or the fun of the sport.

He's a troll, with nothing of value to add.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:27:01 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.

Kid I posted that preseason the Astros were +500 or +600, and your post above shows them at +525.

But you had them at +250 when you made your $800 bet?

You could have gotten +525 and you settled for +250?

Oh, Timmy, never take your wallet out of your pocket.

a fool and his play money are soon parted

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:27:47 PM
Recap on my real $$ betting, by the way -

My former book got in touch and offered a free $50 bet.....something they do in the industry to get you going again.  Matthew Stafford reached 15 completions before Sam Darnold in that Monday nighter (this was the wager offered) and I was on myw ay at $50.

I had a blast - did real well with Premier League, ok with college football, not as well with NFL and MLB.  Ran it up above 225 or so, then crapped out - last day being moneyline losses same day with Steelers and Giants, taking me back to 36 cents - heh

Cost me nothing.....had a bit of fun.  Account still open but kids have to go to college first
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:28:53 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.

Kid I posted that preseason the Astros were +500 or +600, and your post above shows them at +525.

But you had them at +250 when you made your $800 bet?



AMERICAN LEAGUE.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:38:15 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.

Kid I posted that preseason the Astros were +500 or +600, and your post above shows them at +525.

But you had them at +250 when you made your $800 bet?



AMERICAN LEAGUE.

Well enjoy your "winnings."

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 10, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.

Just you.

You want to talk strategy -and this is what you offer?

Good Lord.

I said it made me nervous.

Banks said it made him nervous.

You? You say "Just you."

You want to offer critiques of others' posting and this is what you offer?

Good grief!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 10, 2018, 06:58:44 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.

Price's numbers against anybody when he starts in the post-season have proven to be unhelpful to whichever team he was pitching for.

Relief seems fine. His starts against Houston are likely to get him game two.

Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's and he now has one solid post-season start. Sale goes first.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 10, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!

Wrong again troll.

and rather that address the issue, you run from it.

What a fraud you are.
 
The only thing amusing and which draws a laugh is that when you are confronted with an opinion supported by several facts and repeated for you to once more digest,  your rebuttal remains a fact-free declaration of "GLS".

I understand your brief and empty retort is the only way you have to go, as there is no credible way to rebutt my position, as its wholly supported by facts and generally accepted baseball strategy, and management strategy, none of which you seem to grasp.

Poor pathetic troll "GLS" is not much of an essay.

But to help you out and give you the guidance you sorely need, I'll give you one more letter that captures completely the summary of your RedStateWard-lite attempt to evade anything remotely close to an adult response.

F

I hope this helps in the future, but I find it unlikely as you really are just a pathetic dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 11:14:53 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 10, 2018, 11:24:12 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason


Two two-bit bit-spitters.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 10, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!

Wrong again troll.

and rather that address the issue, you run from it.

What a fraud you are.
 
The only thing amusing and which draws a laugh is that when you are confronted with an opinion supported by several facts and repeated for you to once more digest,  your rebuttal remains a fact-free declaration of "GLS".

I understand your brief and empty retort is the only way you have to go, as there is no credible way to rebutt my position, as its wholly supported by facts and generally accepted baseball strategy, and management strategy, none of which you seem to grasp.

Poor pathetic troll "GLS" is not much of an essay.

But to help you out and give you the guidance you sorely need, I'll give you one more letter that captures completely the summary of your RedStateWard-lite attempt to evade anything remotely close to an adult response.

F

I hope this helps in the future, but I find it unlikely as you really are just a pathetic dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Spin, spin, but you just can't win. You have always been a poor sports, and an insignificant pimple on the butt of a jackass.  And you remain so.

But go ahead and throw more lies and monkey shit.

Loser.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 11:43:05 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!

Wrong again troll.

and rather that address the issue, you run from it.

What a fraud you are.
 
The only thing amusing and which draws a laugh is that when you are confronted with an opinion supported by several facts and repeated for you to once more digest,  your rebuttal remains a fact-free declaration of "GLS".

I understand your brief and empty retort is the only way you have to go, as there is no credible way to rebutt my position, as its wholly supported by facts and generally accepted baseball strategy, and management strategy, none of which you seem to grasp.

Poor pathetic troll "GLS" is not much of an essay.

But to help you out and give you the guidance you sorely need, I'll give you one more letter that captures completely the summary of your RedStateWard-lite attempt to evade anything remotely close to an adult response.

F

I hope this helps in the future, but I find it unlikely as you really are just a pathetic dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Spin, spin, but you just can't win. You have always been a poor sports, and an insignificant pimple on the butt of a jackass.  And you remain so.

But go ahead and throw more lies and monkey shit.

Loser.

What a pathetic evasive response.
I've provided no spin whatsoever.
And as was plainly evident there were no lies.

I've given you all the facts of the game in queston and you have not discussed any of it.

None.

You've run away as you always do.

Your empty and meaningless  mantra of "GLS" is wholly reflective of your understanding of the game in question, the game in general, baseball strategy, and basic concepts of management. That is too say you are clueless.

You remain nothing but a know-nothing poseur intellectually incapable of mustering a coherent response beyond your 3-letter idiocy.

I was willing to reconsider your grade, but you presented nothing for me to reconsider.

F

Now please resume fucking yourself

HEH
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 10, 2018, 11:46:08 PM
Spin, spin, you still can't win. Lie some more in your horse manure.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 11:47:30 PM
Spin, spin, you still can't win. Lie some more in your horse manure.

 :) :) :) :)

F
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 01:40:52 AM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason

It's true.

Sale still has an advantage,

2.54 ERA for Sale.
3.19 ERA for Price.

Combine that with Price's problems starting in the post-season and Sale starts under any circumstances. Honestly, Price's post-season record starting is bad enough for that conclusion regardless and I don't know what the hell you are thinking.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: luee on October 11, 2018, 04:02:55 AM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.

Yup .

It was argued at the time of the Stanton deal, that they still had to address their Achille's heel-the rotation.

Adding "Sox-killer" Happ, wasn't quite enough.

Maybe Shefield is the answer, but I suspect Cashman may spend time and money addressing the problem outside of their internal resources.

FA or trade, IDK. But hell do something

But they were also not a very good hitting team.

I know batting average is overlooked for other sexier SABRE stats, but they had a team BA of .249 the lowest of the play-off teams.

If they didn't hit HRs, which they were very good at, they had trouble scoring,

Unfortunately for the Sox, the Astros don't share that weakness.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 12:41:04 PM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.

Tanaka is the ace
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 02:47:42 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason

It's true.

Sale still has an advantage,

2.54 ERA for Sale.
3.19 ERA for Price.

Combine that with Price's problems starting in the post-season and Sale starts under any circumstances. Honestly, Price's post-season record starting is bad enough for that conclusion regardless and I don't know what the hell you are thinking.

What am I thinking?

That Astros hit Sale and do not hit Price.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
Thinking 2.54 is a bit off........

Adding 9 ER and 9 2/3 innings (last year vs Stros postseason) to the 54 regular season innings, you get..........
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 05:37:14 PM
18 ER in 32 innings overall since 2016.

Just 3 starts for Red Sox vs HOU (13 ER over 15+)

Shall we look at Price's recent work?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
Thinking 2.54 is a bit off........

Adding 9 ER and 9 2/3 innings (last year vs Stros postseason) to the 54 regular season innings, you get..........

You're right about my being off - I had a typo.

But you're wrong about 9 ER and 9 2/3, as that includes the relief pitching. Similarly, counting the relief stint by Price is inappropriate.

So, not 2.54, but 2.63 for an ERA, including that post-season start.

You can do your own calculations anyway you want, Kiid, but what it seems to me you want to have it both ways - ignoring Price's post-season starts, while relying on his relief appearances for why he should start game 1 against the Astros.

I'd rather have Velasquez starting and Price in relief, tbh - or Wright - but it doesn't seem to be an option, let alone my call. Maybe Kelly!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
Price

Quality start in Houston June 2

Quality (uber) start in Boston vs Hou Sept 7

12 1/3 innings
7 hits
3 BB
17 K
5 ER
3.66 ERA
0.81 WHIP
5.66 K/BB


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
Looking closer at the 9/7 start - and I recall this since I needed the W for my fantasy team -

Price shuts out Astros at Fenway for 6 innings on 1 hit and 1 bb.

7th inning goes 2B, K, BB and Price is removed at 101 pitches.  The immortal Ryan Brasier allows the runners inherited to score.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: luee on October 11, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.

Tanaka is the ace

12-6 with a 3.75 is not an ace. 14 pitchers with more wins including two twenty game winners in the A.L.. Tanaka is going on thirty and always injured lately.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
As a Sox pither, vs Stros it is really not close. Price has been better in his 3 years than Sale in his 2.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
18 ER in 32 innings overall since 2016.

Just 3 starts for Red Sox ns HOU (13 ER over 15+)

Shall we look at Price's recent work?59

Look at whatever you want, Kiid. I am certain you can find a rationalization that will fit your argument.

59 innings pitched as a starter in the post-season. 41 runs given up. 6.25 era. 0-9 record. 0-10 for his teams.
15.1 inninges pitched as a reliever in the post-season. 4 runs given up. 2.35 era. 2-0, with a save and a hold. 5-3 for his teams.

I don't want him starting in the post-season. I expressed that concern when we signed him. I have seen no reason to think anything has changed, especially with a cool pair of nights coming up. His ERA in April is generally the highest of the year, excepting starts in October in cooler weather.

This Sunday will be somewhere around 15 degrees cooler than his relief appearances last October.

Tingly fingers?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 10:36:23 PM
Ga'head - bet that ranch on HOU

I am not touching any bet vs a prideful Price this series.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 11:18:44 PM
Ga'head - bet that ranch on HOU

I am not touching any bet vs a prideful Price this series.

Yeah!!!!

He will be so much more prideful for this outing than he was for Game Two against the Yankees or Game Two against Cleveland or Game Two in the ALCS against KC.

Next, you could try, "He's due!" It is another of those arguments that gets trotted out as if there were substance to it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 12, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Nor do his regular season starts against a team give us any reason for confidence in his post-season starts:

2010  and 2011 vs. Texas saw 2 runs/6 innings in a single regular season game each year. The post-seasons were 7 runs in 12.2 innings and 3 runs in 6.2 innings, his second best post-season start! But the 4.05 ERA for that game was still higher than any regular season ERA after 2009 and higher than any regular season against any of those teams he faced in the post-season until this year's Yankees.

2013, three regular season starts against the Red Sox. He faced them three times at Fenway, giving up 3 runs in 22.1 innings. Faced them twice in Tampa, with 6 runs in 10 innings.

In the post-season, he gave up 7 runs in 7 innings.

2014 is sort of the exception. He gave up 3 runs in 5 innings during the year, while surrendering only 2 runs in 8 innings. Just good enough to lose the game, but better than his regular season pitching.

2015 saw a return to form. Against Texas he gave up 5 runs in 7  innings in the ALDS vs. 2 runs in  6 innings during the season. Against KC in the ALCS, he surrendered 8 runs in 13.1 innings, vs. 1 run in 9 innings during the season

2016, more of the same. 5 runs in 3.1 innings in the ALDS. 2 runs in 6 innings in the regular season.


So, here we are in 2018. His ERA against the Uankees in the regular season was 10.34, a staggeringly high number over four starts!

Yet, his post-season start against them was, again, higher than his regular season ERA!

16.20 was the ERA for the game last week.

I would love to be wrong, Kiid, but neither his regular season performances against Houston nor his pride give anybody with the ability to read or calculate a reason to believe this start with somehow be good, let alone good enough to win.

If he comes out and pitches a game like he did against Baltimore in 2014, I will gladly eat my words. Perhaps we will see a Johnson-esque turnaround in his post-season proclivities. But I'm from Missouri.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 12, 2018, 11:10:07 PM
We're playing Houston.

Very good numbers for Price vs Astros in a Sox uni.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 01:02:15 AM
We're playing Houston.

Very good numbers for Price vs Astros in a Sox uni.

Enjoy.

His regular season starts are demonstrably meaningless in post-season starts.

You can just keep whistling in the dark about his pride. Willing to bet on him, rather than merely not against him?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 09:42:19 AM
I'm pretty sure that Winston Churchill said, "I cannot forecast to you the action of David, he is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma." after watching him pitch in the post-season.

Go Sox.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 01:39:23 PM
16.2

ER × 27 ÷ outs

Very good.

Damn.  No idea how Price even shows for the next game.

Heh.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
So....Josh likes the Sox tonight.  Forget it, Verlander.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 03:32:06 PM
Price has to find a remedy for Yankee RH sluggers no doubt.

But worth reminding you....

A)  the walk to Gardner was bullshit
B)  McCutcheon then hit a fly ball to left
C)  the hook was quick.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
Price can forget about the Yankees until next year.

That yacht has sunk.

His focus has to be on what is an equally tough line-up with more disciplined hiiters.

Shit.

He may want to think about the Yankees.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
16.2

ER × 27 ÷ outs

Very good.

Damn.  No idea how Price even shows for the next game.

Heh.

WTF are you babbling about?

a 16.2 ERA no matter how you calculate it, sucks.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 05:48:40 PM
(Yanks) can forget about (Price) til next year



FIXED.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 05:49:45 PM
Quick hook by Counsel.

74 pitches

2 hits allowed.......for Miley
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
Price has to find a remedy for Yankee RH sluggers no doubt.

But worth reminding you....

A)  the walk to Gardner was bullshit
B)  McCutcheon then hit a fly ball to left
C)  the hook was quick.

Yeah, that explains his entire post-season record.

Of course the hook was quick. There was no reason to expect him to work out of it.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 06:33:46 PM
(Not to mention that almost all starters are being quickly hooked this post season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 06:34:30 PM
Quick hook by Counsel.

74 pitches

2 hits allowed.......for Miley

Hoooooooooooooooo!  Close escape.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
I think we're seeing some over-managing this post-season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 06:52:37 PM
Yeah, baby

Hang em and bang em
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 06:53:03 PM
Wade Miley just threw up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
The last couple of years have shown me how wrong I was about Justin Turner. Great player.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 07:56:25 PM
Sale-Verlander

great match-up on paper

I hope Kate got to Justin this afternoon and got to him for a couple

and hope Sale got his fastball and stamina.

Head says "Stros

they're probably the best team in baseball

Heart says Sox in 7

GO SOX
 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 08:08:31 PM
Sale-Verlander

great match-up on paper

I hope Kate got to Justin this afternoon and got to him for a couple

and hope Sale got his fastball and stamina.

Head says "Stros

they're probably the best team in baseball

Heart says Sox in 7

GO SOX

I voted Sox in 6.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 09:03:15 PM
Not the same Sale......thats the point
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 09:03:44 PM
Cant hook him. Just let the game go.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 09:22:14 PM
Sale's not right

real short leash now

2-0 is dealable

4-0 isn't
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 11:38:47 PM
I'm pretty sure Abner Doubleday never imagined a game as ugly as this as he crafted his masterpiece

what a clown-show
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 11:51:47 PM
that should do it

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 12:24:25 AM
Astro's played better on offense, defense, special teams.

But at least Vaz nailed Joe West.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 14, 2018, 12:45:06 AM
It turned out that while 2-0 was manageable, 3-2 wasn't.

And then Workman poured gas on the fire, but I don't know that it actually made a difference.

OTOH, perhaps Sale comes back in game 4.

Fortunately, Price goes tomorrow and he has been far better against Houston than Sale has!

 ;-)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 08:42:20 AM
Yep.

Bet the Sox today.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
Price wants to watch the Pats.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 11:01:29 PM
never in doubt

fucking Houston is good
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:14:23 AM
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1051634064967553024

That's the way the ball bounces.


But it sure is a good thing we had Price going! His pitching line is a tribute to his prior success against the Astros and the pride he carried with him into tonight's game!

4.2 innings, 4 runs (all earmed), 5 hits, 4 walks, 4 strike outs. The Astros batted a mere .263 against him. Yeah, sure, his OBA was .391, but so what? And his SLG was .474, but that doesn't mean much! The OPS was .865 for the night and WHIP was only 1.5.

And he did bring his 2018 post season ERA down to 9.95, which is lower than his 2016 post-season ERA for the Sox, even if it is higher than every other season's or series' ERA for him.

Clearly, he has earned another start in this series and perhaps the Game 1 slot should the Sox reach it!

Right, Kiid?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 09:28:55 AM
Astros 2018 vs LHP

Gurriel   .331
Bregman   .315
White   .305
Maldonado  .293
Correa   .286
Springer   .285
Altuve   .282
Gonzalez   .273
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 09:31:36 AM
OPS


White    1.010
Bregman     .969
Gurriel   .889
Springer    .834
Maldonado   .821
Correa   .798
Altuve    .766
Gonzales    .753
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2018, 11:26:57 AM
Who knows if Sale on Saturday was pitching sick or not, but he didn't  look right. If Sale is less thsn 100%, Cora's going to have to do a whole lot of stitiching together and hope that Eovaldi and Porcello come up big, hmm, maybe even BIGGER  in games 3 and 4.  Worry about Game 5 later and see who's around.

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 02:02:36 PM
Yeah, play the first 2.  Win one.  Good idea.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 16, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
How much pine tar did Matt Barnes use to doctor the ball?

Sox taking lessons from Pats on cheating in the post-season.

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 05:12:52 PM
Did the toilet backed-up?

It smells like troll shit in here.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 06:23:39 PM
Hmmmm

had no idea the game started...

Who we got, Eovaldi?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 06:24:51 PM
Simple grounder to second...

Oh, wait - the shift.

Base hit, Springer.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 06:38:31 PM
Nunez makes 2 great plays in the third, gets base hit in the 4th and is replaced on the bases by Devers

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 06:44:26 PM
he probably re-pulled his hammy
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 06:51:53 PM
the internet sleuths have video that Pearce's ball hit scraped the wall before Kemp caught it.

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada (https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada)

slow it down using the left arrow to .125X and you can see the ball scrape, change drop angle.

modern techology.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:12:35 PM
JFC

ball finds you
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:19:47 PM
ball don't lie

Pearce scrapes the wall again
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
the internet sleuths have video that Pearce's ball hit scraped the wall before Kemp caught it.

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada (https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada)

slow it down using the left arrow to .125X and you can see the ball scrape, change drop angle.

modern techology.

That's a NO for me.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:51:56 PM
Bregman's going to be a pain in the ass this series.

He's fucking good.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:53:34 PM
the internet sleuths have video that Pearce's ball hit scraped the wall before Kemp caught it.

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada (https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada)

slow it down using the left arrow to .125X and you can see the ball scrape, change drop angle.

modern techology.

That's a NO for me.

As is global warming.

But if you slow it down you can see the ball scrape the wall and change the angle it had.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Great game by Eovaldi
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
Jackie with another wall scraper

BOOM
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 08:28:23 PM
Osuna replaces Peacock in pecking order

Worked out REAL wel..

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 09:08:19 PM
A guy who likes to hit people, hits people.

go figure.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 09:10:14 PM
Eovaldi overcame the Bermuda Triangle at 3rd and was HUGE.

Great win
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 16, 2018, 09:11:53 PM
Good game for the Red Sox, despite the red flag waving at third.

No chance for Kimbrel to set the record for most saves in a post season in which he gave up a run.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 09:12:08 PM
And Bregman was amazing, did everything nand even provided a wake-up call,
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 10:54:25 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 16, 2018, 11:07:21 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.

I am sure you are ready to defend yet another incompetent David Price post season start, but it doesn't fly. He gave up more runs in fewer innings pitched.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 11:31:23 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.


Cool.

Hope he locates it a bit better.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 11:39:20 PM
I hope the Sox find a 3rd baseman by then, although tomorrow would be ok too.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 01:29:03 AM
Looked to me like Machado ran into Aguilar intentionally.

Not a good look.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 04:25:35 AM
David Ortiz's reaction while on the FS1 set, to Jackie Bradley, Jr.'s homer in Game 3 is pretty entertaining.

Nothing like a reserved, calm response with all the objective neutrality in the world.

And I do mean nothing like that!

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/david-ortiz-reacts-to-jackie-bradley-jr-grand-slam/c-297974806
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 17, 2018, 08:41:50 AM
Machado is the new Arod. Astros caught with Spygate II. Boston brings out the worst in people.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:22:01 AM
David Ortiz's reaction while on the FS1 set, to Jackie Bradley, Jr.'s homer in Game 3 is pretty embarassing



Fixed.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:23:47 AM
I hope the Sox find a 3rd baseman by then, although tomorrow would be ok too.

Holt/Xander/Kinsler/Pearce would be bold.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 10:08:37 AM
Yelich -   Shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4GbIBLzcCw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4GbIBLzcCw)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:48:58 AM
I hope the Sox find a 3rd baseman by then, although tomorrow would be ok too.

Holt/Xander/Kinsler/Pearce would be bold.

Holt wouldn't be crazy, he's a utility guy by trade and has played there.

But 3rd has been a Bermuda Triangle of defensive suck for the Sox.

Devers has got to get better or pick-up a 1st base glove. 

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 12:59:21 PM
Machado is the new Arod. Astros caught with Spygate II. Boston brings out the worst in people.

Boston Obsession Syndrome full in force.

Astros were reported by Cleveland for doing this, first.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
Porcello night.......

And might we see Price?

Should be interesting.

Morton could be rusty or could be lights out.

Both managers have had some explaining to do with personnel moves.  But this just comes with the territory now that we dont have a plug and play system.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 09:05:24 PM
I think that's an incorrect call.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:05:34 PM
Heh

Nice break for the Sox

That ball is in the crowd.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 09:07:59 PM
That's what I saw.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 09:12:52 PM
The security guard was in exactly the wrong (or right) spot.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
Really?

I dont think they needed that view at all.

Will be discussed for a while, surely

Poor Joe West.  He was applauded for yesterday's excellent strike zone.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
Ricky got nothin tonight
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Espnthree on October 17, 2018, 10:07:47 PM
I think that's an incorrect call.
Replay automatically review “ boundary calls”.
It could not make a conclusive determination where the ball was at the time.
Umpire call stands.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
Really?

I dont think they needed that view at all.

Will be discussed for a while, surely

Poor Joe West.  He was applauded for yesterday's excellent strike zone.

I gathered that you didn't. Clearly, in New York they disagreed with you.

He won't be pilloried for that call beyond Astros fans and a few others. If the folks in NY, watching in slow mo and real time couldn't conclude the ball was past the wall, then how could you expect Joe to in only real time and no replay.

OTOH, they got the call wrong last night, so who knows?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:16:03 PM
I know the replay rules. I believe West made the incorrect call.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 10:33:07 PM
It was an easy change for NY.

Man.......Cora really stayed with Ricky.  Weird.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:33:58 PM
intersting game with a lotta baseball tonight.

I'm pretty sure I've got the 2nd guess nailed.

Be interested to hear the explanation.

lot of game left though.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:36:03 PM
James is a beast.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:37:14 PM
I think we've seen a ton of weird managing this post-season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Espnthree on October 17, 2018, 10:40:32 PM
I know the replay rules. I believe West made the incorrect call.
Then so did  replay.
Which only begs the question why do we need it?

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:41:18 PM
Fuck Darling

"Astros finally get a call"

FUCK YOU

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:43:07 PM
I know the replay rules. I believe West made the incorrect call.
Then so did  replay.
Which only begs the question why do we need it?
You're asking me? I hate replay.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:44:45 PM
 That's a sweet slide by Benitendi. Every day and every way I can see why Kid hates him so much.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:46:09 PM
If Porcello comes out for the 5th....

Its gotta be Kelly right?
He's been ready for an hour or so
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:47:23 PM
I guess Cora wanted a ND for Porky.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 11:04:06 PM
EdRo warming

Price tomorrow
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
whole lotta baseball tonight.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
James is a beast.

As is JBJ.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 11:20:06 PM
James is a beast.

As is JBJ.

He got hot at the right time
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 11:52:55 PM
I was surprised that Hinch took out Pressly.

Holt showed very good patience.

And Pressly's scoreless streak is over.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:15:02 AM
Uncle Charley pays a visit.

nasty hook
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:34:06 AM
Betts is specatacular

and so don't get why Kimbrel is pitching the 8th
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 12:35:54 AM
Betts is specatacular

and so don't get why Kimbrel is pitching the 8th

Seemed pretty curious to me, too.

But maybe Cora knows something we do not know.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:43:04 AM
Betts is specatacular

and so don't get why Kimbrel is pitching the 8th

Seemed pretty curious to me, too.

But maybe Cora knows something we do not know.

I imagine that list is long

Barnes thrw 5 pitchs

and now we may have Price in the 9th?

Its a style of chess I;m not familiar with.

But so far its working.
 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:00:32 AM
Fuck Josh Reddick
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:16:06 AM
WHAT A GREAT FUCKING GAME
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 01:16:30 AM
I do not understand why Price was up.

If he was getting up, why wasn't he pitching the 8th. Or the 9th. Or after a baserunner. Or... whatever!

But Benny!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:18:15 AM
and 10D sucks!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:19:51 AM
I do not understand why Price was up.

If he was getting up, why wasn't he pitching the 8th. Or the 9th. Or after a baserunner. Or... whatever!

But Benny!

I'm beyond and behind the chess moves Cora made.

But...
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:16:55 AM
It looks to me as if the fans' hands are over the wall and in the field of play.

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44197834_10101730138550278_257576120818335744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&oh=80cec30cb398c9471e255a4176f56121&oe=5C5CF2EA)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:39:34 AM
https://twitter.com/RealCJ10/status/1052738360417153024

Quote
Chipper Jones

Verified account @RealCJ10
Follow Follow @RealCJ10

U can’t say definitively that he reached over the fence. There is no angle that shows it. Fans see what they wanna see. I see a guy whose body hadn’t hit the wall yet, glove well ABOVE his head and multiple fans leaning and reaching out. Can’t overturn call on the field. Period
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:46:58 AM
Kennedy assassination photo:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpwRzFUUcAA_tZJ.jpg:large)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 03:58:13 AM

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44247812_10101730161329628_1806923798335717376_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&oh=b518f772ed26ca6bcab148097f3d2693&oe=5C51FC3F)


Apparently, Bill Baer wasn't paying as much attention to the game as he should have been, but he was saved by the headline writer, who got the score right!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 07:52:53 AM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.


Heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 18, 2018, 09:10:29 AM
It looks to me as if the fans' hands are over the wall and in the field of play.

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44197834_10101730138550278_257576120818335744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&oh=80cec30cb398c9471e255a4176f56121&oe=5C5CF2EA)

Saw it several times. To me it looks like Betts closed his glove too soon and missed it. Then the ball hits a fan's hand and a split second later Betts' glove hits the fans hand.

But shit happens. Bang bang call.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 09:37:33 AM
Kennedy assassination photo:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpwRzFUUcAA_tZJ.jpg:large)

My 2nd favorite ALCS security guard.

I understand that the Astro's had enough cameras in the park, but unfortunately for them they were al focused on the Sox dugout.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 18, 2018, 10:00:31 AM
Kennedy assassination photo:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpwRzFUUcAA_tZJ.jpg:large)

My 2nd favorite ALCS security guard.

I understand that the Astro's had enough cameras in the park, but unfortunately for them they were al focused on the Sox dugout.


LOL :-)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 18, 2018, 11:03:57 AM
Saw a better replay. I've changed my mind it looks like a fan did close Betts' glove.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 11:26:46 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 11:58:32 AM
https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1052915450894401536 (https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1052915450894401536)

We get it, Ripken - you want the rule changed.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 18, 2018, 02:18:21 PM
Fix is in. Horrible calls in the series, all going cheating Boston's way.

Sad.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e)

Now there's a shock!

The man involved says he's innocent and there is no way he was over the yellow line.

The white shirted guy's belly is over the line! His arm is further forward than his belly.

And the hands of Caldwell and the guy in the blue shirt are above and still further forward than the white shirted guy's hand.

Mookie was still heading toward the fence, as the follow through shows.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 02:54:23 PM
Betts' glove extended way back into the stands.  (Imagine the play by play call if he had caught it)

This cannot be refuted and was the reason the call was so easy.

Take the break and move on.  They should even out.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 03:16:07 PM
Baseball needs more Grandersons

https://twitter.com/cgrand3/status/1052983926413778944 (https://twitter.com/cgrand3/status/1052983926413778944)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox26d on October 18, 2018, 05:15:53 PM
If the glove fits
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 05:39:50 PM
Fix is in. Horrible calls in the series, all going cheating Boston's way.

Sad.

You're a hoot!

It's like listening to Marshall Faulk - predictable and insensible.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 05:40:58 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.


Heh

Fortunately, even though Sale can't go, Price's pride will save us.

Heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 05:43:22 PM
Betts' glove extended way back into the stands.  (Imagine the play by play call if he had caught it)

This cannot be refuted and was the reason the call was so easy.

Take the break and move on.  They should even out.

It cannot be demonstrated.

His arm would have to be two or three feet longer for it to be that far back, Kiid - look at its angle. Then remember that his body was still more than a foot away from the wall.

Take a break and move on.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 18, 2018, 08:22:04 PM
Josh justifies cheating, when it favors his desired outcome.

Which is why he never talks about Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 09:58:01 PM
toliet backed up again its smells like troll shit again.

cheating?

an umpire's decision supported by replay is not cheating.

the troll's obssession combined with his lack of knowledge of the game becomes more pronounced by the day.

SSDD

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 10:30:03 PM
Devers!

some breathing room for Price/Sox
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 10:38:24 PM
Josh justifies cheating, when it favors his desired outcome.

Which is why he never talks about Bill Clinton.

You make up "facts."

That includes the claim of cheating and the claim that I never talk about Bill Clinton.

But what else is new? You hate having your obsessive posting pattern pointed out.

You are as much of a liar as Redd is, even if you choose different topics.

You make and break promises as thoroughly as, if not as fast as, President Trump.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:07:37 PM
that GD camera shot of the Reddick fly out nearly stroked me out.

it was a fucking pop-up
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 11:36:22 PM
Why not leave Eovaldi in to pitch the 9th?

Why bring Kimbrel in?

Fire Cora! (jk - said for a certain somebody's benefit)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD SERIES!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 11:45:12 PM
Why not leave Eovaldi in to pitch the 9th?

Why bring Kimbrel in?

Fire Cora! (jk - said for a certain somebody's benefit)

Nicely done, Mr. Kimbrel.

Mr. Cora, I don't need you fired (yet). I take it back (to the extent that I  meant it, which is not at all).

Good game, Red Sox.

Great season, Astros.

And David Price was brilliant.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:47:29 PM
3 on the road Back to Back to Back wins

against a great team

Great win
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:48:58 PM
Why not leave Eovaldi in to pitch the 9th?

Why bring Kimbrel in?

Fire Cora! (jk - said for a certain somebody's benefit)

that was STRONG consensus at the other place.

and wheh they showed him warming uo it crashed.

heh
Cora was screwing with us.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
Sox dismantled a scary good team

3 on the road
JFC
that was an impressive win
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 12:50:49 AM
Sox dismantled a scary good team

3 on the road
JFC
that was an impressive win

It was.

And the capper was beating Verlander. The pundits all had decided this game was Houston's before a pitch had been thrown.

I hadn't given up on the whole game, but I couldn't see how Price was going to suddenly be better than Game Two Price was.

He was. If he pitches like that for the World Series, it will shut up his critics largely forever, including this one. And the chances the Sox will win will rise considerably.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox26d on October 19, 2018, 02:55:37 AM
Congrats to America's team on reaching the WS again!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 03:01:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp2F7zzXQAElJMl.jpg)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 19, 2018, 11:59:03 AM
Boy, tbe umps' stealing those two runs from the Astros Wedensday had real consequences.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 12:08:39 PM
Cowboy Joe almost had as good of a series as the Sox did.

His call held-up to not only to MLB replay but the angles/pics that were not shown at the time.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 19, 2018, 12:50:13 PM
Congrats dudes.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 19, 2018, 02:17:27 PM
So it looks like Joe West is the new Don Denkinger.

Unless it turns out later that he's the Tim Donaghy of MLB.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 02:33:56 PM
Congrats dudes.

thanks cap.

Hope we can have a similar convo in about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 19, 2018, 03:05:05 PM
Congrats to my Red Sox fan from me sitting on a park bench in Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 03:21:21 PM
Congrats to my Red Sox fan from me sitting on a park bench in Ann Arbor.

Big football/intrastate war week-end in that part of the world?

have fun with your frosh-Wolverine.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 03:44:20 PM
Boy, tbe umps' stealing those two runs from the Astros Wedensday had real consequences.

I laugh at your humor.

But I know full well that if they get those two runs it is very hard to predict how things would have gone from there.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 19, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
Cowboy Joe almost had as good of a series as the Sox did.

His call held-up to not only to MLB replay but the angles/pics that were not shown at the time.

You mean the doctored photos that suddenly appeared once MLB knew it had a real problem to deal with? Oh, yeah..."evidence".
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 04:29:00 PM
Boy, tbe umps' stealing those two runs from the Astros Wedensday had real consequences.

I laugh at your humor.

But I know full well that if they get those two runs it is very hard to predict how things would have gone from there.

Little known fact (unless one watched the game-which the troll didn't) the Astros took the lead twice after the correctly called interference call. And the Sox came back twice to win the game.

Sox beat a very good team 4 consecutive game, including 3 in their park, which I'm guessing is a fairly rare event for a defending World Champ who won over 100 games.

Sox for the most part played great baseball beating a great team.

That the troll attempts to suck the fun from the game and the enjoyment fans get from their team's accomplishment is what he tries to do, in every sports forum he contaminates, but in the end he always fails.

Instead he just sucks. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 19, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
Alert fans know what happened. Fix was in. Commissioner is a fraud.

Shamball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 09:41:38 PM
Alert fans know what happened. Fix was in. Commissioner is a fraud.

Shamball.

Alert (and mostly even moribund) forum members know what happened. Utley was feeling irrelevant. Utley is a fraud.

Slimeball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 12:17:25 AM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 20, 2018, 12:20:08 AM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 12:46:32 AM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 20, 2018, 10:14:48 AM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.

Mind you, school marm, you're still a pussy. Proved that point with the abject panic you went into about a year ago.

So fuck off, Masshole.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.

Mind you, school marm, you're still a pussy. Proved that point with the abject panic you went into about a year ago.

So fuck off, Masshole.

I haven't denied despising your threats to post my private information, Utley. Having had people like you interfere in my life from here and other sites, I find the threats, whether aimed at me or at others, to be chilling.

But while I haven't denied objecting to your posting information and/or a picture of me, neither have I broken promises that I have made to stop making personal references to off-line identity, which you have done repeatedly - repeatedly promising to change and repeatedly breaking your promises.

I may be a pussy, but you remain a Boston-obsessed, lying asshole.

I'd rather be a pussy, given your definition of it.

And yeah, Utley, you are exactly who you seem to be in your posts.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
The troll has proved time and time again he's an indecent sociopath, with an inability to conform to societal norms. He plays at provocative, but he is not. Stalking and revealing private information is not provocative, its an invasion of privacy, and is used as his defense when his pea-sized brain feels overwhelmed and threatened by other more informed posters who show him up for the pathetic loser he is.

Troll you should apologize to Josh, and never post here again.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
Betts at 2nd for the WS, to solve the JDM/JBJ/no DH conundrum in the NL park?

Its a little risky, but Betts was a 2nd baseman, it might be worth a shot.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 20, 2018, 07:05:13 PM
I'd be comfortable with the idea that Betts is as good at second as anybody else they could put out there.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 07:07:11 PM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?

Sure.  LA wins with the rocket armed kid - but its their last win this year - as THE FIX IS IN
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 07:56:28 PM
I'd be comfortable with the idea that Betts is as good at second as anybody else they could put out there.

Nah...

I dont see it
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?

Sure.  LA wins with the rocket armed kid - but its their last win this year - as THE FIX IS IN

Oh, look - Utley has a new username.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
Great job, Buehler

Tough call by Roberts with the hook.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 09:56:01 PM
Now THAT's a fucking catch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
Beat LA will once again be the battle cry in the bi-coastal war for baseball supremacy.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 21, 2018, 12:44:04 AM
Beat LA will once again be the battle cry in the bi-coastal war for baseball supremacy.

102 years later, we meet again!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
Sox opened at -135 favorites in LV

line dropped to -120 as LA money came in heavy.

I'm thinking Sox in 6
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 21, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
The fix is in!!!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
yank you're doing a helluva job pinch-hitting.

But you're a starter.

Series line now
Sox -165
LAD +135

tonight Sales/Kershaw

Sox- 150
LAD +140
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2018, 03:05:41 PM
Mets in talks with Captain Kangaroo

https://twitter.com/metsblog/status/1054780520637186048 (https://twitter.com/metsblog/status/1054780520637186048)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox26d on October 23, 2018, 06:29:50 PM
All I ask is that no member of the Cowsills living or dead be allowed in or near Fenway Park
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 07:58:02 PM
BEAT LA
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 23, 2018, 11:34:07 PM
Quite the pinch hit at bat by Nuñez.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 11:35:25 PM
If Alex Cora hits on 20, you can be sure the next card is an Ace.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 12:05:36 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 12:12:20 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks


Yay!

A good game. Winning when Sale only goes 4+ is a big plus. Driving Kershaw out at the same point was an unexpected turn - he does not give up 3 runs in 4 innings very often, let alone 5.

Both sides used their bullpens thoroughly, though not the LA closer. I wonder what impact that will play going forward.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 12:13:37 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Yay!

A good game. Winning when Sale only goes 5+

or even 4+.

He's not right. might want to double check the belly button ring in the off-season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 12:16:05 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Yay!

A good game. Winning when Sale only goes 5+

or even 4+.

He's not right. might want to double check the belly button ring in the off-season.

His speed was up tonight and his contol better, if not yet Sale-esque.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 12:24:22 AM
I miss mid-summer Sale, that guy was near unhittable.

His command is still off.

I hope he's ok.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 08:14:25 AM
Good win.

Who pitches tonight?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:07:13 AM
Quite the pinch hit at bat by Nuñez.

Roberts let Hill throw to Noonie?  Or had Hill been brought in for Devers?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:08:51 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Nice to see the OPS likely won't again be sub 600.

Solid offensive skill set

Still shouldn't have put on the 30 lbs.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2018, 10:18:52 AM
Hill didn't pitch last night. The HR was off of Wood who was brought in to pitch to Nevers. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:53:00 AM
Yep.  Lefty - same gist.

Thanks for the info.

---

Good piece on Bernie acquisition in the Post.  Yanks mabbed him for 16K, double what they initially wanted to give.

Funny sport sometimes.

https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1055102626897920002 (https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1055102626897920002)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Nice to see the OPS likely won't again be sub 600.

Solid offensive skill set

Still shouldn't have put on the 30 lbs.

My only concern about 10D was his mid-season power outage.

I expect his power to develop and increase as he matures (and adding weight and muscle is part of the process).

He's a 4-WAR 5-tool player and I've no idea why you've ragged on him for the past 2 years.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
3.9

I think his defense is overrated, especially by the press.

Sure playing in a nice hitter's park.

Would be a great 6 hitter.  Shouldnt be up in the order vs LHP (.247/.694).

Will he get much better?

Not sure.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 03:45:31 PM
heh

you do know that

rule of thumb considers 4-5 WAR players as All-Stars right?

and 10D is just 24, and is a couple of years from entering his prime.

and he's hardly the first BoSox left-handed batter who figured out the advantages of oppo field hitting at Fenway

and he's done a good job in left, and likely losing some range points with JBJ in CF.

No you probably don't.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 04:00:56 PM
Happy to hear Brandon Nimmo (4.4 WAR) is an All Star.  Yankee fans I am sure will be proud of Aaron Hicks' (4.7) All Star Year as well.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Happy to hear Brandon Nimmo (4.4 WAR) is an All Star.  Yankee fans I am sure will be proud of Aaron Hicks' (4.7) All Star Year as well.

I'm more famliar with Hicks than Nimmo, and I think Hicks is a pretty good defensive CF with some power, aided by short-porch Y-Stadium..

I like the upside of 10D though and think he's a better hitter.

and to my knowledge you've never posted a negative post about either Hicks or Nimmo, but your barrage on 10D is pretty constant.

And rule of thumb is a quick n dirty guage of a player. and I assume in the case of Hicks his HR #s may be driving his WAR, but just a guess.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 04:24:13 PM
Nice to see Price get props for tonight from bettors.  -140/145 after opening at 135.....
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 24, 2018, 04:47:13 PM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.

Mind you, school marm, you're still a pussy. Proved that point with the abject panic you went into about a year ago.

So fuck off, Masshole.

I haven't denied despising your threats to post my private information, Utley. Having had people like you interfere in my life from here and other sites, I find the threats, whether aimed at me or at others, to be chilling.

But while I haven't denied objecting to your posting information and/or a picture of me, neither have I broken promises that I have made to stop making personal references to off-line identity, which you have done repeatedly - repeatedly promising to change and repeatedly breaking your promises.

I may be a pussy, but you remain a Boston-obsessed, lying asshole.

I'd rather be a pussy, given your definition of it.

And yeah, Utley, you are exactly who you seem to be in your posts.

Very Trumpian, lying twit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 24, 2018, 04:50:10 PM
The troll has proved time and time again he's an indecent sociopath, with an inability to conform to societal norms. He plays at provocative, but he is not. Stalking and revealing private information is not provocative, its an invasion of privacy, and is used as his defense when his pea-sized brain feels overwhelmed and threatened by other more informed posters who show him up for the pathetic loser he is.

Troll you should apologize to Josh, and never post here again.

. GFY,, Rich Levine.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 24, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?

Sure.  LA wins with the rocket armed kid - but its their last win this year - as THE FIX IS IN

Oh, look - Utley has a new username.

Oh, look, Josh demos his intolerance for opinions different than his own.

Trumpian Twit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
troll

did I offend you, you souless indecent piece of shit?

tough shit if the truth offends you, you fucking asshole 

keep on shitting all over yourself, because that's all you can do, and all you will ever do.

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quite the pinch hit at bat by Nuñez.

Roberts let Hill throw to Noonie?  Or had Hill been brought in for Devers?

Roberts brought in Wood to pitch to Devers. Nuñez was the countermove.

The other natural feature is scheduled to be seen in LA, I believe, rather than his old familiar stomping grounds.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
GO SOX
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:26:40 PM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:28:48 PM
and 10D sucked.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:34:37 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUZO68XgAARFMs.jpg)

Air-10-D

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
If the young man could only field his position.

heh

some people are so fucking clueless
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox26d on October 24, 2018, 11:41:34 PM
He looks lost out there
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 11:43:47 PM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.

I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:55:48 PM
He looks lost out there

He looks like Nureyev.

I'm old.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:58:08 PM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.
 
I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.

Price was great.

One shaky inning but he recovered.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:06:47 AM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.

I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.

Kimbrel got a call from Eric Gagne - that he was tipping his pitches.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 10:58:07 AM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.

I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.

Kimbrel got a call from Eric Gagne - that he was tipping his pitches.

Well, Cora got a call, but yes.
Title: What You See May Not Be What See...The Fix Is In.
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 25, 2018, 10:59:08 AM


There is no law preventing a league from fixing its own contest. The two closest federal laws on the books are these:

The "Quiz Show" law which was passed after it was revealed that television networks had been fixing the outcome of nationally televised game shows including Twenty-One and the $64,000 Challenge. The law reads: "(a) Influencing, prearranging, or predetermining outcome
It shall be unlawful for any person, with intent to deceive the listening or viewing public—

(1) To supply to any contestant in a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge or intellectual skill any special and secret assistance whereby the outcome of such contest will be in whole or in part prearranged or predetermined.

(2) By means of persuasion, bribery, intimidation, or otherwise, to induce or cause any contestant in a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge or intellectual skill to refrain in any manner from using or displaying his knowledge or skill in such contest, whereby the outcome thereof will be in whole or in part prearranged or predetermined.

(3) To engage in any artifice or scheme for the purpose of prearranging or predetermining in whole or in part the outcome of a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge, intellectual skill, or chance.

(4) To produce or participate in the production for broadcasting of, to broadcast or participate in the broadcasting of, to offer to a licensee for broadcasting, or to sponsor, any radio program, knowing or having reasonable ground for believing that, in connection with a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge, intellectual skill, or chance constituting any part of such program, any person has done or is going to do any act or thing referred to in paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this subsection.

(5) To conspire with any other person or persons to do any act or thing prohibited by paragraph (1), (2), (3), or (4) of this subsection, if one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of such conspiracy."

Note the repeated use of the word "intellectual" -- not physical. Therefore, this law does not apply to sports.

The Sports Bribery Act of 1964 which was passed to protect the "integrity" of sports from mafia and gambling interests. It reads: "Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commerce to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge that the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contest, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

The key word in this law being "bribery." If a league instructs one of its employees -- be it an official, coach or athlete -- to influence and/or manipulate an outcome in a certain manner, such action does not break this law.

No one has been arrested for violating the Sports Bribery Act in relation to a professional sporting event -- ever.


thefixisin.net

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:20:48 AM
toilet backed up again.

damn

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:30:04 AM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Barton on October 25, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
I wanted to vote Sox in 6, but the poll closed.   Anyway,  may the team that abandoned its home city receive its turn on the wheel of karma.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
Yeah.... happened to me on the '69 Super Bowl

Would have been my first big score......
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 25, 2018, 04:57:50 PM
No one has been arrested for violating the Sports Bribery Act in relation to a professional sporting event -- ever.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 25, 2018, 05:16:03 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
He needs to straighten out that back leg. Horrible form.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 25, 2018, 05:18:38 PM
I wanted to vote Sox in 6, but the poll closed.   Anyway,  may the team that abandoned its home city receive its turn on the wheel of karma.
My least and fourth least favorite teams in baseball. I am rooting for small and highly localized earthquake in the Chavez Ravine area.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 06:37:31 PM
I wanted to vote Sox in 6, but the poll closed.   Anyway,  may the team that abandoned its home city receive its turn on the wheel of karma.

It's that whole "the first game started" thing.

And the Sox scored a run maybe a minute after I closed it!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
He needs to straighten out that back leg. Horrible form.

I'm not a big fan of ballet, can't tell the players without a program, but I understand the leap, is known as the "Grand Jeter".

Taking nothing from Derek's dive into the stands, or the fact that he could not leap to his left, maybe its time to rename the classic move and catch the "Grand Tendi"
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
He needs to straighten out that back leg. Horrible form.

He needs to make the back leg the front leg, WP!

The other two have their right legs forward and left back.

He must have been left back from that grade.
Title: Re: Gold Glove Finalists
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 08:13:29 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/gold-glove-award-finalists-named/c-299683866 (https://www.mlb.com/news/gold-glove-award-finalists-named/c-299683866)

Wild guess who's a finalist for AL Left-field?

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:28:36 PM
.......with a negative DWAR.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:31:37 PM
I see Sox nabbing TWO Gold Gloves

Thanks for the list
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 10:19:27 PM
https://www.facebook.com/curt.schilling.56/posts/10216398211161580 (https://www.facebook.com/curt.schilling.56/posts/10216398211161580)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 10:20:39 PM
https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328 (https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 10:30:40 PM
https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328 (https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328)

Classy move.

I suspect Mookie would have been happier had Lou not put it out there.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:05:39 PM
.......with a negative DWAR.

Which if you've seen Benintendi plays LF, should make you question how DWAR is calculated, and whether there is anything particular about Fenway's LF which might effect calcualtions, or whether playing next to a GG-calibre CF might impact put-outs recorded.

FWIW Yaz, generally considered the gold standard of Sox LF, won his 2nd GG in 1965 with a DWAR of negative 1.0, 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 07:40:46 AM
AB is in the top three - be happy - and he may just get it - sometimes the new guy stands out -

I never said he was a bad OF

Has a popgun arm - and yeah, I know - 11 assists.

The other 2 guys are obviously top notch.

For the record - I was thinking Moreland and Betts - we shall see.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 10:16:15 AM
AB is in the top three - be happy - and he may just get it - sometimes the new guy stands out -

I never said he was a bad OF

Has a popgun arm - and yeah, I know - 11 assists.

The other 2 guys are obviously top notch.

For the record - I was thinking Moreland and Betts - we shall see.

Kid

 I really don't care one way or another who wins GG,

I was more curious about your pissing on 10D for the past 2 years, and thought it serendipitous that within 24 hours of you giving me a resason for your 10D disdain, his D, het gets named a GG Finalist.

I thought it was pretty funny.

I generally agree with you, Betts, and Moreland. 

I'd like to see JBJ's body of work in CF get recognized.

and Jeter will likley edge out Lindor.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 03:05:05 PM
Actually, Benintendi's position as a GG finalist lines up perfectly with what I said.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 04:41:38 PM
HEH

Actually if all you said was that 10D was overated on D, that would be a plausible response. BUT you've been ragging on him for the past two years.

So you're not fooling anyone but yourself.

And if you had not responded to my question and specifically said he was overated on D, which is a perfectly fine position to take, your most pointed specific comments about 10D concerned his haircuts and his weight gain.

But your takes on a guy who should have a long and successful MLB career, have uniformly been negative and vague.

Again, fine, but never supported.

Or why the guy who was 2nd in the '`17 AL ROY voting to a histrorically great year by Judge, was deserving of your constant negatvity.

So  lets not for a moment pretend that if he was not nominated a GG finalist, you would have for a second, suggested he would be a good nominee.

OK dokey?

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 04:56:39 PM
He threw out 9 guys (in about 30 attempts - heh)

So he was nominated

I had said his D was overrated

That is all.

I think some voters will see the coolness in a Sox across the board vote, so he will get a boost there.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 05:02:33 PM
kid

he had 11 assists last year, 12 assists this year, so i've no idea what your 9 of 30 references.

you've more than amply demonstrated you have a jaundiced eye and a marked inability to admit a mistake.

NBD, I don't care, but you should know you're "that guy" at the poker table.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 05:22:26 PM
speaking of 10D, he's sitting tonight, JD in left.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 05:29:53 PM
RED SOX             DODGERS
Betts RF                   Pederson LF
Bogaerts SS           Turner 3B
Moreland 1B          Muncy 1B
Martinez LF           Machado SS
Holt 2B                   Bellinger CF
Devers 3B                   Puig RF
Bradley Jr. CF       Grandal C
Vázquez C                   Taylor 2B
Rick Porcello P           Buelher  P 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 08:45:23 PM
yeah - looked up tendi and gordon - got em mixed up on the assists

Well documented throwing problems for Andrew.  Eye test doesnt lie
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 09:44:47 PM
yeah - looked up tendi and gordon - got em mixed up on the assists

Well documented throwing problems for Andrew.  Eye test doesnt lie

heh

the only things documented is that Benintendi lead the AL LF in assists in 2017 and 2018, and the led the AL in OF assists in 2018.

You should probably get your eye checked every year or so.

cover your left eye
which line can you easily read?

1 GOSOX

2 youareadolt

3 youdonthaveaclue

4 jimmerfredettesucks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 11:25:00 PM
Helluva game
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 12:44:26 AM
Helluva game

Yup.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 01:19:31 AM
Wow.

Sort of the opposite of Kinsler's trip around the bases, before getting nailed at home.

Holt's journey combined with Nunez' painful journey to first base in the 13th have been quite something.

Can it hold up? (Can the Sox score more this inning?!)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 01:45:09 AM
Wow.

Sort of the opposite of Kinsler's trip around the bases, before getting nailed at home.

Holt's journey combined with Nunez' painful journey to first base in the 13th have been quite something.

Can it hold up? (Can the Sox score more this inning?!)

And more wow.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 02:03:15 AM
I'm numb
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 02:04:19 AM
sorta like the Sox bats
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 02:36:45 AM
It's an amazing game, no matter which way it goes.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 03:29:49 AM
Yup.

Eovaldi has been amazing


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 03:30:58 AM
and fuck

what a game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 03:31:50 AM
and fuck

what a game.

Not the ending I would have wanted, but a fantastic game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 03:39:41 AM
Pesky held the ball in '46

Kinsler should have in '18
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Barton on October 27, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.   

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 27, 2018, 10:24:45 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.   



Wimp.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 27, 2018, 10:25:49 AM
No one outside LA or Beanshitville is watching this Series.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 27, 2018, 11:05:24 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.
TV and radio would veto that quicker than you could say "Jack Robinson". (While that expression did not come from the ballplayer it's always appropriate when the Dodgers are involved).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2018, 11:31:07 AM
Kenley getting Tendi, Betts and Xander 1-2-3 changed the game

Had JD hit that inning Benintendi stays in the game and JD is likely out.  Holt likely remains at 2B.

MGR Roberts - in late and close games you go with your defense unless behind.  Lesson learned.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Barton on October 27, 2018, 11:59:55 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.   



Wimp.

It was a joke.   I was going to add that, since it ran 18 innings,  they should count it as two games,  but refrained out of deference to Sox fans.   
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Barton on October 27, 2018, 12:02:36 PM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.
TV and radio would veto that quicker than you could say "Jack Robinson". (While that expression did not come from the ballplayer it's always appropriate when the Dodgers are involved).

If that old expression really wanted to convey quickness of saying,  then they should have picked Mel Ott.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
It felt like 2 games, the first a 8th inning 1-1 game

and then a 10 inning 2-1 game, with a walk-off dinger.

It was an amazing game, with enough turns and managerial moves to keep a fan occupied for hours.

and it did.

The greatest baseball injustice, so to speak, was hanging an "L" on Eovaldi, he was great.

IMO from the Sox perspective the top of the order no-showing (0-28) was the real reason for this thing depriving me of sleep.

Betts and Bogey seem to be sleep walking. Time for them to wake up.

But on the pitching hand, as we all know good chucking...

And the Buehler did not take the day off,

Ferris was special.

Ah well

more coffee

a lot more

and hopefully a Sox win in LA
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 27, 2018, 11:47:17 PM
The fix is in!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:17:04 AM
The fix is in!

But nobody's watching, so who cares?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:23:15 AM
Steve "THE TRUTH" Pearce with a huge night.

as an aside Fox had a blurb that Pearce was one of 3 Sox with 1 HR and 4 rbis in WS game.

Yaz Game 2 '67

Ortiz Game 1 '04

I was lucky enough to be at both those games.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:57:11 AM
And it can't be said enough, but Manny Machado is a fucking cheap shot piece of shit.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox26d on October 28, 2018, 03:09:41 AM
And it can't be said enough, but Manny Machado is a fucking cheap shot piece of shit.
He's the Mr.Utley of baseball
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 28, 2018, 08:52:24 AM
Extreme GLS: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1 (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1)

Hours after mass murder of American Jews in their house of worship, this is your president's greatest concern.

Sad.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:13:14 AM
Rafi Devers still scares me, and I'm acutely aware of the KoD, but the baby-faced assasin, seems to be growing up.

I still expect some stumbles, and he'll stumble again, but (I forget if it was game 2 or 3) he showed a take charge confidence at 3rd that I loved to see. There was no hesitancy, he was making plays. 

And last night after his go-ahead rbi single in the 9th, he dives and hoovers a hot-shot and then fires an absolute rocket across the field to nab Machado.

It was impressive.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 28, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
Nunez is a decent player, but I think the Red Sox are doing the other team a favor if they pkay him rather than Devers.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
I generally agree. Devers has a higher ceiling but a lower floor than a healthy Nunez. Some of Devers throws have reminded me of NASA rocket launches in the late 50s, you just don't know where its going to go.  But he's showing a nice "clutchiness" on a big stage.

Nunez has been playing hurt, and his Game 3 slapstick performance was an adventure/misadventure hi-light film all in itself.

Devers started G1 v Kershaw, so I'm guessing he's playing tonight.

So its a lock it'll be Nunez.

HEH

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Barton on October 28, 2018, 12:52:26 PM
Apparently yelling fire and brimstone in the dugout works.  Wonder what Sale said.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:17:46 PM
Nunez is a decent player, but I think the Red Sox are doing the other team a favor if they pkay him rather than Devers.

Well, he's hurt, so.....

Great play by the kid last night.  He's been up and down with the glove - has to feel good.

Oh, yeah - and nice sawed off job by Tendi.  Pearce made him a  bit of a hero.

heh

(Anyone else think Turner could have had the force at third on that play?)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:20:03 PM
With a win tonight Sale snatches the World Series MVP honor from Price - with Pearce then likely having claim.

Havent looked at the composites - not sure who else might factor in
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 04:06:34 PM
With a win tonight Sale snatches the World Series MVP honor from Price - with Pearce then likely having claim.

Havent looked at the composites - not sure who else might factor in

heh

Sale in relief tonight?

you got your finger on the pulse.

Price starts and Sox win and he pitchs well, its Price.

IMO w/Sox win then Evo, Pearce, Kelly, 10D

horse/cart.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 04:29:40 PM
Well......alright!

https://www.mlb.com/news/david-price-to-start-world-series-game-5/c-299820440 (https://www.mlb.com/news/david-price-to-start-world-series-game-5/c-299820440)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 28, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
With a win tonight Sale snatches the World Series MVP honor from Price - with Pearce then likely having claim.

Havent looked at the composites - not sure who else might factor in
I think if Boston wins tonight, the series MVP is clean Ryan Madson.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 07:57:58 PM
Dave Roberts' reinventing the game continues to benefit his opponent (Jansen in the 8th the lead example).

Kiki Hernandez bats third tonight.  Can you envision his making the last out as Manny Fucking Machado waits on deck?

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
12 outs to go.  How many does Price get?

Sad now to hear Hill took himself out of Game 4.

Sadder still that Roberts didnt just tell the press he was taking Hill out anyway.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 10:17:27 PM
How is Kershaw still in there?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Price was spectacular.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:00:43 PM
JOE FUCKING KELLY!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
Exactly.

Leave him in

Sale has no right in this game except as a LOOGY.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 11:08:24 PM
Congrats in advance to all of you in RSN!

Great season! 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:11:17 PM
Kelly pitched 2 last night

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:12:25 PM
I guess its Eovaldi for Game 6
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:16:22 PM
PLEASE

PLEASE

get this fucker
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:18:25 PM
SPEC FUCKING TACULAR
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:21:15 PM
A brilliant season

The best Sox team I've seen EVER

That was an all-time great team

they beat 3 great 100 win teams

I don't know if thats been done before
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 28, 2018, 11:30:35 PM
Thank God that shit is over. The single most boring season in the history of bsseball. What a fucking yawnfest.

Bought and paid for.

Fix. Was. In.

The sport is now on life support.

When the Red Sox scandal of 2018 is exposed, it will die.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 28, 2018, 11:38:08 PM
Hot stove is on. Where do Machado and Harper go? Does Joe Girardi get a job?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:43:35 PM
HEH

You'd figure that a lifetime of being a pathetic loser that the troll would handle one more humiliating loss that exposed his idiocy a little better.

I mean whats one more loss atop of the thousands he's already swallowed?

Poor schmuck I guess each one stings as much as the last.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox26d on October 28, 2018, 11:45:12 PM
Another title for the Hub of the Universe. America's city of champions
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:20:18 AM
Another title for the Hub of the Universe. America's city of champions

We are so lucky.

That team was so much fun to watch.

An absolute joy to watch.

They played beautiful baseball, all phases.

And they're going to be placed real high on all-time best lists.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Barton on October 29, 2018, 12:48:19 AM
Amazing Sox.   Congrats to the home of the bean and the cod.   
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 29, 2018, 07:17:39 AM
Congrats Sox fans. Phenomenal season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2018, 08:05:23 AM
Thank God that shit is over. The single most boring season in the history of bsseball. What a fucking yawnfest.

Bought and paid for.

Fix. Was. In.

The sport is now on life support.

When the Red Sox scandal of 2018 is exposed, it will die.

What's the outlook for the Phils next year?

Who leaves? Who is brought in?

Thanks
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 29, 2018, 11:08:09 AM
HEH

You'd figure that a lifetime of being a pathetic loser that the troll would handle one more humiliating loss that exposed his idiocy a little better.

I mean whats one more loss atop of the thousands he's already swallowed?

Poor schmuck I guess each one stings as much as the last.

Try dealing in reality, once in a while. I haven't lost a thing. While you keep chasing the illusion that your life will somehow be far less miserable and meaningless if a baseball team you support buys a "championship".

Sad, pathetic, wannabe.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 29, 2018, 11:13:03 AM
Thank God that shit is over. The single most boring season in the history of bsseball. What a fucking yawnfest.

Bought and paid for.

Fix. Was. In.

The sport is now on life support.

When the Red Sox scandal of 2018 is exposed, it will die.

What's the outlook for the Phils next year?

Who leaves? Who is brought in?

Thanks

Pitching, pitching, pitching. Some in pipeline. Principal owner wants to spend lots of cash. Manager needs a strong bench coach to reign him in.

Expect a busy off-season.

If the team was in NY, the fans would plead for a new hitting coach. W's up, but Ks up, worst team at making contact I can recall seeing, since the bad old daze of Steve Jeltz at SS.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 29, 2018, 11:28:00 AM
Ha! Even ownership knows it's "fans" are frontrunning morons: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/red-sox-twitter-account-dunking-144506803.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/red-sox-twitter-account-dunking-144506803.html)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:09:59 PM
HEH

You'd figure that a lifetime of being a pathetic loser that the troll would handle one more humiliating loss that exposed his idiocy a little better.

I mean whats one more loss atop of the thousands he's already swallowed?

Poor schmuck I guess each one stings as much as the last.

Try dealing in reality, once in a while. I haven't lost a thing. While you keep chasing the illusion that your life will somehow be far less miserable and meaningless if a baseball team you support buys a "championship".

Sad, pathetic, wannabe.

Poor pathetic troll

I harbor under no illusions about  rooting for the teams I root for, and have for a long time. They are a form of entertainment and when they enjoy success it makes me feel good.

As it does every fan who enjoys following and supporting teams.

That you try to suck out the joy that normal people can get from sports and its various pleasures marks you as a tainted outsider, estranged from socital norms.

As noted several times, you fail at your perversions, and you just suck.

Nothing you post can remotely dent the positive feelings I or any other sports fan has when their team meet with success.

And troll lastly, you are wrong, you have lost a lot.

You have lost your decency, all sense of proprotion over a sporting event, and lost reality as you've descended into deep self-delusions over your pathology. .

The loss has left you a sick twisted sociopath deeply envious of the happiness of others.

SSDD

 

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:15:03 PM
Congrats Sox fans. Phenomenal season.

Thanks yank.
it really was a phenomenal season.

I think this team will rightly be ranked among the best teams of all time.

They played beautiful baseball.

They were a joy to watch.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 29, 2018, 12:27:57 PM
Looks like bankshot still doesnt get how his losses keep piling up. Day after day after day, his ignorance of reality on display.

If poor Rich Levine ever wakes up, he might realize his folly.

So sad.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:40:40 PM
heh

be it hamilton, utley, pigday or one of the other many masks the indecent stalker has hid behind, he still remains a deeply tormented sociopath, trying to suck the fun from a game.

But the poor hapless asshole just sucks himself deeper into his black hole of desperation.

And he will continue to do so until he has consumed himself.


SSDD

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
Pot.   Kettle.     


<click>
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 01:07:09 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 02:39:46 PM
As kid works on his next Knick trade, the NY Times rings (heh) in

LOS ANGELES — On March 31, the third day of the 2018 regular season, the Boston Red Sox moved into first place in the American League East, a position they occupied almost exclusively from that point on. By May, it was clear they were the best team in baseball.

Now, after 119 wins between the regular season and playoffs, they remain unmatched.

And on Sunday, the Red Sox completed the seven-month marathon by cementing their status atop the sport and among the greatest teams of all time.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/sports/world-series-red-sox-dodgers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/sports/world-series-red-sox-dodgers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 29, 2018, 06:57:43 PM
It was quite a series, despite the lopsidedness of it.

No, Banks, the Red Sox did not beat three 100-win teams, unless you count not only the post-season, but the Dodgers' win against them.

Stunning stat of the day, to me? "The Red Sox are the 13th team ever to post MLB's best record and then win the World Series."

Now, I understand that from '69 on that it has taken more than one round to make it into the playoffs, but before that there were more than 60 World Series and I would have thought that at least a quarter of the time, if not half the time, that the team with more wins would have won! But that seems not to have been the case.

And of course nobody watched it or cared outside the two participating cities. That must be why Fox won prime time for every night the World Series was being played, right?

Still, a 7th game pulls a ton more folks than a series ending with game 5. If the fix were in, then the series would have gone 7, but why let reality stand in the way of bad sport grousing?!

Of course, buying the championship must be it, not the fix! There's the ticket!

So what if the winners of the World Series over the last 4+ decades have been in the top 5 in payroll just over 50% of the time?!
https://www.surepayroll.com/resources/blog/do-giant-payrolls-win-world-series-titles

Fortunately, this is all old news to those who've been paying attention, rather than only caring selectively when they need to try to drag others down.

Boston Obsession Syndrome lives on in the heart of Utley. It's pretty funny to watch.

But not nearly as much fun to watch as the 2018 Red Sox have been.

I wonder what 2019 will bring!

p.s. thank you to the non-Boston (actual) baseball fans for your graciousness which stands in sharp contrast to the whiner from Philly.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 07:07:51 PM
Quick review.on Baseball-reference to as my over 30 pre-playoff times when the team with the best record won the.Series. And a handful of times when the teams had identical records. I suspect the stat was post 1969.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 07:20:48 PM
It was quite a series, despite the lopsidedness of it.

No, Banks, the Red Sox did not beat three 100-win teams, unless you count not only the post-season, but the Dodgers' win against them.

Stunning stat of the day, to me? "The Red Sox are the 13th team ever to post MLB's best record and then win the World Series."

Now, I understand that from '69 on that it has taken more than one round to make it into the playoffs, but before that there were more than 60 World Series and I would have thought that at least a quarter of the time, if not half the time, that the team with more wins would have won! But that seems not to have been the case.

And of course nobody watched it or cared outside the two participating cities. That must be why Fox won prime time for every night the World Series was being played, right?

Still, a 7th game pulls a ton more folks than a series ending with game 5. If the fix were in, then the series would have gone 7, but why let reality stand in the way of bad sport grousing?!

Of course, buying the championship must be it, not the fix! There's the ticket!

So what if the winners of the World Series over the last 4+ decades have been in the top 5 in payroll just over 50% of the time?!
https://www.surepayroll.com/resources/blog/do-giant-payrolls-win-world-series-titles

Fortunately, this is all old news to those who've been paying attention, rather than only caring selectively when they need to try to drag others down.

Boston Obsession Syndrome lives on in the heart of Utley. It's pretty funny to watch.

But not nearly as much fun to watch as the 2018 Red Sox have been.

I wonder what 2019 will bring!

p.s. thank you to the non-Boston (actual) baseball fans for your graciousness which stands in sharp contrast to the whiner from Philly.

Josh

As I suspect you understand, I included the Dodger's 8 post-season wins in their total, which would give them 100 wins for the season, and thus be perfectly consistwnt with my statement the Sox beat 3 100 win teams in the post-season to win the World Series.

Again I haven't checked but there can't be too many teams post-'69 who have done that.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 07:29:02 PM
Another interesting factoid, while the Sox had home field advantage through-out the post-season, 1) they did not need it 2) they played more games on the road ( 8 ) than they did at home (6), and 3) played better on the road 7-1, than they did at home going 4-2.

That is kind of amazing given how good the Ys, Astros and Dodgers were.
 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 29, 2018, 10:13:01 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 10:30:23 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.

Troll Seeing that you are ill equipped to participate in a conversation about baseball history, I understand why you feel threatened by it and labeled it "menaingless" However I supplied a link to an article and quote from the NY Times regarding the subject, if you want a primer on the topic, you might want to read it.

If not that's fine, as I've had other discussions on the subject elsewhere, so feel free to shit in your pants, drool uncontollably, and otherwise occupy your time as you generally do here.

No one expects you to conribute anything of value here.

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 29, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

It's a fluke until they do it again, but no reason to ignore them.

I think this has to be in the discussion because the playoffs/Series make it impossible to ignore. Had they gone the way of the Mariners' 116 win season or so many others of the top winning seasons, then you look and shrug, but they didn't.

The 7-1 road record through the post-season, which you already noted, is striking. Listening to the LA players and the national press, "going back to LA" was going to solve all the Dodgers' problems caused by the cold, just as going back to NY was going to fix things for the Yankees. (I don't remember hearing that about Houston.)

The success in the post season despite Chris Sale's relatively poor performances is another of the issues. The hitters against top pitcher after top pitcher, whether starter or reliever, with rare exceptions, stuck out - as did the team's success with several top hitters suddenly not producing.

Whatever the bumps were, the team dominated overall.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 29, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-red-sox-stack-up-to-1998-yankees/c-299967748

The argument in favor of the 1998 Yankees as the best of the era is hard to counter, IMO.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 11:51:43 PM
Whether they can do it again, IMO might not be the measure of  historic "greatness".

The Sox have won the AL East 3 years in a row, so they had a base of "very good" in place. This year with a team record 108 reg season wins, brought it to  another level, while the post-season domination, layered another still. There just aren't that many teams in the play-off era that have had this type of dominating season. But what really set it apart was the dominant post-season, against 3 very strong teams, 

As you noted the Mariners with the record 116 wins crapped out against the Yankees, but we have the '98 Yankees wih 114 wins and a dominating post-sseason, the '75-76 Reds (76 in particular, the Reds were undefeated in the post-season), the '70 Orioles (who only one 1 WS, and could have won 3). The '86 Mets (108 wins) are there, but their post-season was not really dominant (picking nits).

In any case, there are just a small handful of teams since '69, almost 50 years, that have had type of season as the Sox did this year.

And fwiw I love to see them do it again.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 12:01:26 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-red-sox-stack-up-to-1998-yankees/c-299967748

The argument in favor of the 1998 Yankees as the best of the era is hard to counter, IMO.

Its about impossible to comp different era teams, but the '70 O's might have been better than either.

But as the article concludes the Sox historic greatness and inclusion among greatest baseball tems is undeniable,

except of course for an idiotic pathetic troll who knows shit from shinola about the game or its history.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2018, 09:14:15 AM
Phillies in the lead for Harper AND Machado?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2803416?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2803416?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 30, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.

Troll Seeing that you are ill equipped to participate in a conversation about baseball history, I understand why you feel threatened by it and labeled it "menaingless" However I supplied a link to an article and quote from the NY Times regarding the subject, if you want a primer on the topic, you might want to read it.

If not that's fine, as I've had other discussions on the subject elsewhere, so feel free to shit in your pants, drool uncontollably, and otherwise occupy your time as you generally do here.

No one expects you to conribute anything of value here.

SSDD

Sorry, Richie. You're still losing.

Worst baseball season ever. Homers and Ks, horrible officiating, and snoozeball in between. Attendance down a commish committed to ensuring highest payrolls win, and a guy whose in morality is in question, in an era of sports betting being legalized, and a sport whose leaders now think all it needs is rule changes.

It's a meaningless and hollow victory in a downwardly spiraling era of the game.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 30, 2018, 11:59:52 AM
World Series sucked: The fifth and deciding game of the World Series delivered big numbers Sunday for Fox, but the series as a whole was the least-watched in several years.

The Boston Red Sox' victory over the Los Angeles Dodgers recorded a 12.3 rating in metered-market households, easily the best of the series thus far. It was down slightly, however, from Game 5 in 2017 (12.8), as has been the case for the prior four games. It averaged 17.64 million viewers for the network, off about 7 percent from a year ago.

This year's World Series, despite featuring teams from two top-10 media markets, was the least-watched since 2014, averaging 14.33 million viewers. That's down 23 percent year over year and ahead of only the 2014 (13.93 million over five games) and 2012 World Series (12.64 million) this decade.


Per Hollywood Reporter
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 12:15:38 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.

Troll Seeing that you are ill equipped to participate in a conversation about baseball history, I understand why you feel threatened by it and labeled it "menaingless" However I supplied a link to an article and quote from the NY Times regarding the subject, if you want a primer on the topic, you might want to read it.

If not that's fine, as I've had other discussions on the subject elsewhere, so feel free to shit in your pants, drool uncontollably, and otherwise occupy your time as you generally do here.

No one expects you to conribute anything of value here.

SSDD

Sorry, Richie. You're still losing.

Worst baseball season ever. Homers and Ks, horrible officiating, and snoozeball in between. Attendance down a commish committed to ensuring highest payrolls win, and a guy whose in morality is in question, in an era of sports betting being legalized, and a sport whose leaders now think all it needs is rule changes.

It's a meaningless and hollow victory in a downwardly spiraling era of the game.

The tears of the troll.

heh

One of the reasons the sox were so enjoyable was the way they played the game.

Speed, great defense, hit and run, solid and at imes dominant pitching, timely hitting, and the long-ball,

the Sox were truly 2-out assassins.

They were an exciting and a fun team to watch.

And troll I don't particularly care if you watched or not.

Though I suspect you did through your tears and anger and envy

LOLOLOL.

But as posted several times already, given your cluelessness, no one expects you to contribute anything of value, so at least you're consistent in that regard.

But your insistence on leaving your tears, feces and urine...

you really should learn how to wipe

anywhere.

SSDD

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 30, 2018, 03:55:02 PM
Get help. You're still losing.

Every post of yours insures another defeat.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
Get help. You're still losing.

Every post of yours insures another defeat.

Every post insures my exposure to you an indecent dumb-fuck stalker.

that's it. But as Elba understands you're close to useless except as a punching bag.

And I don't need help, I need a buyer.

Unfortunately, I've owned you, hammy and pigday, the trifecta of indecent troll for years, and I can't drum up one willing buyer, or even a renter for the vast empty space between your shit-filled ears.

Its definitely a buyers market for dumb and indecent (explains Trump in '16) but it seems no one wants additional exposure to an amoral stupid and shit-stained asshole like you. 

I may have to cut the the price again and throw in a Sox World Series T.

heh
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
With apologies to Arlo Guthrie

Flyin' in from Los Angeles
Bringin' in the Series trophy

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/10/30/card-games-cucumber-slices-and-lots-selfies-were-red-sox-charter-flight-home/q1cmsQrkcAu2R5aocloseL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/10/30/card-games-cucumber-slices-and-lots-selfies-were-red-sox-charter-flight-home/q1cmsQrkcAu2R5aocloseL/story.html)

lot of in-flght pics as the WCBRS winged it back to Boston.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 30, 2018, 05:08:43 PM
Btw, some ae calling this World Series the death of baseball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 30, 2018, 05:11:50 PM
Link?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
The troll is just engaged in wishful thinking (for him)

Most of us enjoy baseball and have some fun with it, the stats, history, trivia, the rivalries, and assorted bullshit. But for the clueless troll, the death of baseball would be just one less thing he knows absolutely nothing about.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 30, 2018, 05:32:04 PM
On the bright side I can now abandon this forum until March and let Utley and banks piss all over each other for 5 months and 300 pages.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
On the bright side I can now abandon this forum until March and let Utley and banks piss all over each other for 5 months and 300 pages.

boz

i piss on on the indecent stalker troll, only because he's an indecent stalker troll, however he just dribbles a weak stream down his leg.

but I understand your desire for forum decorum.

But how 'bout them Sox?


and while you didn't get an earthquake in LA, you did get a 7-hr+ game 3 that was as close to torture as MLB, or the Geneva convention sanctions for civilians.

but it was also one of the greatest games in WS history.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 10:58:27 AM
Great Day for a parade.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 31, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
On the bright side I can now abandon this forum until March and let Utley and banks piss all over each other for 5 months and 300 pages.

boz

i piss on on the indecent stalker troll, only because he's an indecent stalker troll, however he just dribbles a weak stream down his leg.

but I understand your desire for forum decorum.

But how 'bout them Sox?


and while you didn't get an earthquake in LA, you did get a 7-hr+ game 3 that was as close to torture as MLB, or the Geneva convention sanctions for civilians.

but it was also one of the greatest games in WS history.

This obsession of yours has exposed you for the weak coward you are. You really should become a republican. 7 hour games are not entertaining. Nor was the entire postseason, nor the season itself. Which is why people are walking away from the sport. It's boring.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 31, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
Great Day for a parade.

Soft target.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 02:36:57 PM
The tears of the sad obssessed troll roll endlessly down his shit-stained and empty pin-head.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 02:41:46 PM
and troll if you find baseball boring, you should find something that entertains you.

Why hang out in a baseball forum, if it holds nothing for you?

ah well, there will always be stupid asshole trolls who try to suck the joy from life.

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on October 31, 2018, 07:15:51 PM
Link?

What? You want him to support his claims?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
RIP Willie McCovey

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25138329/willie-mccovey-san-francisco-giants-legend-dies-80 (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25138329/willie-mccovey-san-francisco-giants-legend-dies-80)


McCovey is one of seven players in history to win a Rookie of the Year award, a league MVP and an All-Star Game MVP award. The others are Cal Ripken Jr., Mays, Mike Trout, Frank Robinson, Fred Lynn and Ichiro Suzuki.

One honor that eluded McCovey was a World Series ring. He came close in 1962, coming up short in a nail-biting seven-game series against the Yankees. McCovey went to the plate with two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning, his team down 1-0, with runners on second and third base. McCovey sliced a hit toward right field that looked like it could drive in the winning run but instead was caught by Yankees second baseman Bobby Richardson to end the game and the series.



I got home from school to see that line-out to Richardson. Another 3 ft to the left and McCovey would have been the WS hero.

That '62 Giant line-up was loaded.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 31, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
and troll if you find baseball boring, you should find something that entertains you.

Why hang out in a baseball forum, if it holds nothing for you?

ah well, there will always be stupid asshole trolls who try to suck the joy from life.

SSDD
Soft head. Doesn't get it. So sad.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on October 31, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Clueless and classless, but nice surprise:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/boston-red-sox-victory-parade-mookie-betts-alex-cora-today-2018-10-31/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/boston-red-sox-victory-parade-mookie-betts-alex-cora-today-2018-10-31/)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 10:14:22 PM
Price opts not to opt out.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/10/31/david-price-says-opting-stay-with-red-sox/W1r3cXqppQ25qYDSV6B56M/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/10/31/david-price-says-opting-stay-with-red-sox/W1r3cXqppQ25qYDSV6B56M/story.html)


“I’m opting in,” he said prior to the team’s celebratory duck boat parade. “I’m not going anywhere. I want to win here. We did that this year, and I want to do it again.”

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 11:47:44 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront)

LOS ANGELES — Every baseball manager expects to be second-guessed; it comes with the job. And the bigger the stage, the greater the scrutiny.

Even so, Dave Roberts, the Los Angeles Dodgers manager, seemed startled after Game 4 of the World Series on Saturday to learn that President Trump had joined his chorus of critics. Roberts had just pulled his starter with a four-run lead and watched his bullpen collapse in a 9-6 defeat to the Boston Red Sox, putting his team one loss from elimination. In his news conference, Roberts learned that the president — who rarely tweets about baseball — had blamed him./i]
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 01, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront)

LOS ANGELES — Every baseball manager expects to be second-guessed; it comes with the job. And the bigger the stage, the greater the scrutiny.

Even so, Dave Roberts, the Los Angeles Dodgers manager, seemed startled after Game 4 of the World Series on Saturday to learn that President Trump had joined his chorus of critics. Roberts had just pulled his starter with a four-run lead and watched his bullpen collapse in a 9-6 defeat to the Boston Red Sox, putting his team one loss from elimination. In his news conference, Roberts learned that the president — who rarely tweets about baseball — had blamed him./i]




Extreme GLS: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1 (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1)

Hours after mass murder of American Jews in their house of worship, this is your president's greatest concern.

Sad.

Try to keep up.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2018, 06:28:49 PM
Verducci on the World Series and Cora's impact after the what could have been a series altering devastating loss in the Battle of Chavez Ravine.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/30/boston-red-sox-season-ages-ends-world-series-title-game-5/ (https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/30/boston-red-sox-season-ages-ends-world-series-title-game-5/)

An epic, 18-inning loss in Game 3 could have spelled the end for baseball's winningest team. Instead, it revealed the true greatness of the Red Sox, who resolutely pulled together and claimed their fourth World Series title in 15 years.


The 2018 Red Sox forever will be remembered for their collection of 119 victories. The drive on Massachusetts Route 119—from Ashburnham, over the Squannacook and Nashua Rivers, through Groton and all the way to Concord and Walden Pond—will never feel the same.

Yet for all those wins it was one defeat that defined the team’s soul and spirit. To deeply understand these Red Sox, not just remember them, you have to hear the hidden story of the longest, most grueling, most absurd loss any team ever suffered in 665 World Series games.

It was half past midnight at Dodger Stadium, and more than an hour after the trains in Boston stopped running and the bars stopped serving, when the Red Sox, still jet-lagged from the 2,611-air-mile trip to L.A., trudged back to their clubhouse with a 3–2 walk-off loss that had taken 18 innings and seven hours, 20 minutes, Series records for toil and time.

“Everybody, clubhouse!” Cora shouted in the labyrinth under the first base stands. “Meeting!”

Cora is a rookie manager who abhors team meetings, so the call to gather, especially at such an hour after two fitfully long days, hinted at the importance of the moment. What happened next will make for the best stories these championship brothers tell when they gather years from now, as their bodies and competitive edges soften./i]

Then Game 3 happened at Chavez Ravine. It was not just the longest postseason game ever played. It was as phenomenal as a six-ton pachyderm in New York in 1796.

“I’ve never seen anything like that,” said L.A. first baseman David Freese, “and that’s because nobody walking this Earth has seen anything like that."

“Listen up!” he said. Players were still mostly in their soiled, heavy uniforms. Some peeled off sweatshirts or tape from their wrists. Some sat at their lockers.

“We just played one of the greatest games in World Series history. Red Sox ... Dodgers ... Dodger Stadium ... World Series ... And the way you competed is something all of us should be very proud of. This is a great team. This was a great game. And you guys proved it tonight. And Nathan ...”

Cora then singled out Eovaldi, praising him for his effort and unselfishness. When Cora was done, the room burst into a standing ovation.

“There were tears,” Holt says. Porcello was one of those crying.

And then one by one, every player, coach and staff member lined up to take turns hugging Eovaldi—





its worth the read for baseball fans.

its pretty good.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 02, 2018, 11:48:05 AM
Back to what matters: https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 (https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2018, 12:08:27 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on November 02, 2018, 03:35:32 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.

I'm still waiting for the obit (or at least the citation of those who were saying it besides Mr. Utley).
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2018, 04:07:27 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.

I'm still waiting for the obit (or at least the citation of those who were saying it besides Mr. Utley).

Could be a long wait.

The troll has been in mourning since August, over the Phillies. Seems they choked on cheese-steak, with.

In the meantime have some corned beef, its lean, and chopped liver is just like mom's.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on November 02, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.

I'm still waiting for the obit (or at least the citation of those who were saying it besides Mr. Utley).

Could be a long wait.

The troll has been in mourning since August, over the Phillies. Seems they choked on cheese-steak, with.

In the meantime have some corned beef, its lean, and chopped liver is just like mom's.

I had beef tongue last night, thanks.

Maybe baseball was killed by the 270 criminals in the caravan who also have no source.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 03, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
It was dying all season, but the low rated boredom-fest the post-season became killed it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/718162002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/718162002)

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/ct-spt-cubs-white-sox-baseball-problems-20180717-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/ct-spt-cubs-white-sox-baseball-problems-20180717-story.html)

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/mlb/2018/06/14/strikeouts-effect-major-league-baseball (https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/mlb/2018/06/14/strikeouts-effect-major-league-baseball)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2791455-i-find-it-very-difficult-to-watch-why-mlb-greats-think-baseballs-in-trouble.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2791455-i-find-it-very-difficult-to-watch-why-mlb-greats-think-baseballs-in-trouble.amp.html)

https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html)

https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.expressnews.com/sports/amp/World-Series-showed-off-baseball-s-boring-side-13352511.php (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.expressnews.com/sports/amp/World-Series-showed-off-baseball-s-boring-side-13352511.php)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/09/26/homer-or-strikeout-mentality-ruining-mlb/#5d5905623dc1 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/09/26/homer-or-strikeout-mentality-ruining-mlb/#5d5905623dc1)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek.com/articles-amp/803161/2018-world-series-bad-baseball (https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek.com/articles-amp/803161/2018-world-series-bad-baseball)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 03, 2018, 03:50:00 PM
RIP.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated" Mark Twain

I look forward to the '19 season, and if the Phillies can manage consecutive wins, we in Elba will be regaled with tales of the the Phitin' Phils, and baseball's miraculous resurrection.

And whether the Phitin' Phils can or can't manage two wins in a row, I'm still looking forward to the '19 season.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 03, 2018, 06:09:00 PM
Miss the point, much?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
Miss the point, much?

Troll

Baseball ratings have been in general decline for over 30 years, this is not new. Yet you feel compelled to focus on 2018 to complain about the demise of baseball and how its boring.

Three months ago, when the philllies were over .500, your posts, when they won, were of the young exciting phitin' phils.,

And when the collapsed in early August so did your posts and enthusiasm.

But your trolling and meaningless and joyless existence continues, independent of anything.

You try but fail to suck the fun from sports.

I think you're the only one who consistently misses the point, as you never understand the point.

SSDD

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 03, 2018, 06:37:58 PM
Miss the point, much?

Troll

Baseball ratings have been in general decline for over 30 years, this is not new. Yet you feel compelled to focus on 2018 to complain about the demise of baseball and how its boring.

Three months ago, when the philllies were over .500, your posts, when they won, were of the young exciting phitin' phils.,

And when the collapsed in early August so did your posts and enthusiasm.

But your trolling and meaningless and joyless existence continues, independent of anything.

You try but fail to suck the fun from sports.

I think you're the only one who consistently misses the point, as you never understand the point.

SSDD

Douche. You don't seem to understand what's going on.

Maybe go read all those articles, and consider they ate just the top of the iceberg.

The game being played now is not the game of baseball.

It's dead. Bereft of life, it has ceased to be. It is an era if ex-baseball.

The fact that you define your life by what you've been sold is on you, nit me.

Run along and bask in your meaningless and tepud existence.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 07:02:44 PM
Troll

You also suck at Monty Python.

If you don't like baseball or find it boring you would really be better off finding something you like or understand.

And troll, perhaps you should read the articles, many of which are repetitve about the declining ratings, or written well before the '18 post-season was played, so they can hardly be critical of the quality of play of the post-season teams.

So feel free to google "baseball  dead" to define your terms, and your feeling about baseball, and I'll re-watch and re-enjoy the classic games of the '18 post-season, like Game 4 of the '18 ALCS, which was a gem of a baseball game, an all-time classic, or the 18-inning marathon Game 3 of the '18 World Series. a true epic baseball battle for the ages.

And you can go choke on a cheese-steak, wit or witout, you sad envious loser asshole troll.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 07:14:04 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/810aGa2J3xL._SX355_.jpg)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 04, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
Troll

You also suck at Monty Python.

If you don't like baseball or find it boring you would really be better off finding something you like or understand.

And troll, perhaps you should read the articles, many of which are repetitve about the declining ratings, or written well before the '18 post-season was played, so they can hardly be critical of the quality of play of the post-season teams.

So feel free to google "baseball  dead" to define your terms, and your feeling about baseball, and I'll re-watch and re-enjoy the classic games of the '18 post-season, like Game 4 of the '18 ALCS, which was a gem of a baseball game, an all-time classic, or the 18-inning marathon Game 3 of the '18 World Series. a true epic baseball battle for the ages.

And you can go choke on a cheese-steak, wit or witout, you sad envious loser asshole troll.

I like baseball. Dare say I love it. What we are given now is not baseball. Been consistent on that fir many years.

But you keep missing the obvious because you don't toit for the game to succeed. You only root for the laundry.

It's not my problem you can't take in the forest because you're consumed by one tree.   That's your issue. Well, that and the fact that you take everything said by any poster personally.

And, Douche, if you missed the key phrase that it's been dying all season, then, that's a failure on your part.

RIF, dipshit. Reading is fundamental.

You may now proceed to try to catch up with reality.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2018, 10:56:57 AM
Troll

when the phillies were winning, you were all about the exciting vibrant "Phitin' phils, yet when they gagged in August you stopped posting about them and by season's end you were all about baseball is dyin and is boring.

no one has denied baseball has some issues about the game and has had issues for years.

But what you miss is your blatant hypocrisy.

Whats funny is that the Sox played exciting baseball', they put the ball in play, played hit and run, stole bases, hit for power, played very good defense and had reasonably good pitching,

and proved they were the best team in baseball.

and they were fun and played with an attitude and are young.

If you had a clue about baseball or really liked it, you would recognize those Facts, but instead your head is so far up your ass and your prjeudice and obsession so pronounced you miss the fun and  the sport of the sport.

And if you don't like baseball as it is, find something else until the phillies miraculously save the game.

in the meantime at least you have your cluelessness and hypocrisy to insulate yourself

SSDD
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
No doubt baseball is better when the Padres are good.

I'll wait that out and enjoy it, meanwhile.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25180505/2018-gold-glove-winners (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25180505/2018-gold-glove-winners)

Gold Glove Winners

POS.        AL                           NL
C   Salvador Perez, Royals   Yadier Molina, Cardinals
1B   Matt Olson, Athletics   Freddie Freeman/Anthony Rizzo
2B   Ian Kinsler, Red Sox   DJ LeMahieu, Rockies
SS   Andrelton Simmons, Angels   Nick Ahmed, Diamondbacks
3B   Matt Chapman, Athletics   Nolan Arenado, Rockies
LF   Alex Gordon, Royals   Corey Dickerson, Pirates
CF   Jackie Bradley Jr., Red Sox   Ender Inciarte, Braves
RF   Mookie Betts, Red Sox   Nick Markakis, Braves
P   Dallas Keuchel, Astros   Zack Greinke, Diamondbacks

I'm glad JBJ finally got official recognition of his defensive brilliance.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 07, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Joke award. Proof? Ian Kinsler.

'Nuff said.

Meanwhile, curious to see what MLB does regarding it's trade deadlines.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 07, 2018, 10:46:52 AM
Troll

when the phillies were winning, you were all about the exciting vibrant "Phitin' phils, yet when they gagged in August you stopped posting about them and by season's end you were all about baseball is dyin and is boring.

no one has denied baseball has some issues about the game and has had issues for years.

But what you miss is your blatant hypocrisy.

Whats funny is that the Sox played exciting baseball', they put the ball in play, played hit and run, stole bases, hit for power, played very good defense and had reasonably good pitching,

and proved they were the best team in baseball.

and they were fun and played with an attitude and are young.

If you had a clue about baseball or really liked it, you would recognize those Facts, but instead your head is so far up your ass and your prjeudice and obsession so pronounced you miss the fun and  the sport of the sport.

And if you don't like baseball as it is, find something else until the phillies miraculously save the game.

in the meantime at least you have your cluelessness and hypocrisy to insulate yourself

SSDD

Too bad you can't separate the message from the messenger. You might begin to grasp the sport's real problems.

Might.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 07, 2018, 11:20:39 AM
Ys bring back CC on 1 yr deal.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25199467/cc-sabathia-new-york-yankees-agree-one-year-contract (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25199467/cc-sabathia-new-york-yankees-agree-one-year-contract)

The New York Yankees have reached an agreement to bring back veteran pitcher CC Sabathia on a one-year, $8 million deal, according to ESPN and multiple reports.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 07, 2018, 04:42:01 PM
Joke award. Proof? Ian Kinsler.

'Nuff said.

Meanwhile, curious to see what MLB does regarding it's trade deadlines.

3-time pennant winner Kinsler adds World Champ to resume

Will surpass 200 hits next season.  4 time All Star

2 GG

1850 runs produced in 1800 games

100 runs six times

20 HR 5 times

30 HR 2 times

.775 SB %

57.3 WAR

40.4  WAR7

Hall?

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 07, 2018, 05:34:49 PM
Joke award. Proof? Ian Kinsler.

'Nuff said.

Meanwhile, curious to see what MLB does regarding it's trade deadlines.

3-time pennant winner Kinsler adds World Champ to resume

Will surpass 200 hits next season.  4 time All Star

2 GG

1850 runs produced in 1800 games

100 runs six times

20 HR 5 times

30 HR 2 times

.775 SB %

57.3 WAR

40.4  WAR7

Hall?

Which has to do with the Gold Glove, how?
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 08, 2018, 07:32:46 PM
Meanwhile, Craig Carton going to jail. Ha!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 09, 2018, 12:43:24 PM
In which Bill James becomes senile:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1930130002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1930130002)
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
James lost his fastball and went to his screwball.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 09, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
Cool stuff about JD helping other Sox hitters

But even THAT shouldnt get him 2 Silver Sluggers in one year.

Jeeeeeeeez
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2018, 10:44:36 AM
Agree

seems dumb.

But a guy who earned 2 Silver Bats really should be a voter's option as AL MVP finalist.

I'd vote for Betts, but Martinez IMO is a worthy candidate
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2018, 10:50:30 AM
Joe Mauer calling it quits.

After his firsr 4-5 years seemed HoF was his destination.

But unfortunately a concussion changed his career and travel plans.

Always liked Joe Mauer.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on November 10, 2018, 06:19:37 PM
Cool stuff about JD helping other Sox hitters

But even THAT shouldnt get him 2 Silver Sluggers in one year.

Jeeeeeeeez

I foresee a rule change in the near future.

And none too soon.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 12, 2018, 07:23:47 PM
Ohtani-San!!

Congrats to Osuna as well.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 12, 2018, 07:39:03 PM
Ohtani-San!!

Congrats to Osuna as well.
Acuna.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 14, 2018, 08:16:08 PM
So, Jake DeGromme is handed a Cy Young, and he did not even have the most wins on his team!

Fucking joke. BBWAA is LOST!!!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2018, 08:43:56 PM
But he probably has his name mispelled more often than any other candidate.

I probably would have gone with Scherzer than deGrom.

But congrats to DeGromme and the Ray's Blake Snell.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 14, 2018, 09:55:26 PM
But he probably has his name mispelled more often than any other candidate.

I probably would have gone with Scherzer than deGrom.

But congrats to DeGromme and the Ray's Blake Snell.

Snell deserves his. Jake the Fake? Uh, no. A joke.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 15, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
Nola gets zero second place votes

But a nice year for the up and comer.  Hope he sticks around a while
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 10:34:18 AM
deGrom, Scherzer and Nola all faced the Sox this year, Sox won all 3 games, (all were 1-run games, only Scherzer took the L) and IMO Nola pitched the best game of the 3 NL starters.  He impressed me.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 15, 2018, 10:50:11 AM
Without diving into numbers the way Kiid does, it strikes me that if these same voters were choosing in the AL in 2016, Verlander (or Kluber) would have gotten the nod over Porcello. 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 12:10:03 PM
just took a quick look (real quick) at '16, and the #s for Porello/verlander/Kluber were all close, (ERA, ERA+, WHIP) with Verlander and Kluber having having more Ks (but also more walks) than Verlander, Porcello's record of "22-4" was noticeably better and a real differentiator.

Porcello's CY win sort of reminds me of Bob Welch over Clemens in '90. IMO Clemens was the best pitcher in baseball that year, but its hard to ignore 27 wins.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 15, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Without diving into numbers the way Kiid does, it strikes me that if these same voters were choosing in the AL in 2016, Verlander (or Kluber) would have gotten the nod over Porcello.

Which confirms my opinion that the writers have no business creating the news and handing out awards in this sport or any other.
Title: Re: Betts American League MVP
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 07:37:08 PM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288064/mookie-betts-beats-mike-trout-jose-ramirez-win-american-league-mvp (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288064/mookie-betts-beats-mike-trout-jose-ramirez-win-american-league-mvp)



Mookie Betts couldn't draw up a dream season much more perfect than this: a batting title, a 30/30 campaign, a World Series championship and now the American League MVP award.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 07:44:28 PM
and Yelich snags the NL MVP

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288187/christian-yelich-milwaukee-brewers-named-national-league-mvp (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288187/christian-yelich-milwaukee-brewers-named-national-league-mvp)

Yelich topped fellow finalists Nolan Arenado of the Colorado Rockies and Javier Baez of the Chicago Cubs when the winner was announced Thursday. He received 29 of 30 first-place votes and 415 points. The other first-place vote went to New York Mets pitcher Jacob deGrom, the NL Cy Young Award winner, who finished fifth.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on November 16, 2018, 01:10:01 AM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25278064/red-sox-reward-manager-alex-cora-extension-2021

1  year? I suspect the money was the bigger reason for the new deal - I hope he did very well.

I'm in favor of keeping him around. I wonder if the Yankees are giving an extension and raise to Aaron Boone!
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 16, 2018, 05:05:28 PM
Evil Empire 3?

If anyone had any doubt about Philadelphia Phillies owner John Middleton’s intentions this winter, he made it abundantly clear before leaving the Major League Baseball owners’ meetings.

“We’re going into this expecting to spend money,’’ Middleton told USA TODAY Sports. “And maybe even be a little bit stupid about it.’’

Middleton laughed, then said without smiling: “We just prefer not to be completely stupid."

But, oh, how they will be spending.

Yes, he is talking about you, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado.

The Phillies have just $68.9 million on the books in 2019, according to salary information obtained by USA TODAY Sports. That figure drops to $50.68 million in 2020 and plummets to $15.1 million in 2021.

“It’s exciting to contemplate what we may be able to do this off-season,’’ Middleton said. “We know the free agent class this year is really, really good.’’

Could they spend in excess of $700 million to land the two biggest fish in the free-agent sea?

“I don’t know who you’re referring to,’’ Middleton said, with a laugh. “But we will be spending.’’


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/11/16/phillies-free-agency-bryce-harper-manny-machado/2016945002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/11/16/phillies-free-agency-bryce-harper-manny-machado/2016945002/)

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2018, 06:24:41 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman
Title: Re: American League
Post by: josh on November 16, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ in a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball like is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

The author of the Silent Gondoliers expressed his remorse at Goldman's impending death.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 16, 2018, 09:48:21 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

I see you still have a diminished capacity to comprehend what was clearly put forth.

You're brain is dead.

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2018, 09:59:11 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

I see you still have a diminished capacity to comprehend what was clearly put forth.

You're brain is dead.

What you put forth?

you made it perfectly clear

1-Baseball is a dead boring sport

and

2-the Phillies hope to be only a little bit stupid this year.

As opposed to presumably the crushing penalty of Utley-level stupid they've labored under for years.

SSDD

Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2018, 10:13:10 PM
Sox resign WS MVP Pearce  1/6 deal.

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on November 17, 2018, 10:07:45 AM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

I see you still have a diminished capacity to comprehend what was clearly put forth.

You're brain is dead.

What you put forth?

you made it perfectly clear

1-Baseball is a dead boring sport

and

2-the Phillies hope to be only a little bit stupid this year.

As opposed to presumably the crushing penalty of Utley-level stupid they've labored under for years.

SSDD

With each post,office you're compounding your own stupidity, dope.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 17, 2018, 11:58:25 AM
Fox re-ups with MLB

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/sports/mlb-fox-tv-deal.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/sports/mlb-fox-tv-deal.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)

Major League Baseball and Fox Sports announced they had extended their national television rights agreement. The terms were not disclosed, but two people with direct knowledge of the deal said it was for seven years, through the 2028 season, and $5.1 billion.

That is a significant increase over the current deal with Fox, which expires after the 2021 season and was for eight years and $4.2 billion, according to the Sports Business Journal.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2018, 05:19:55 PM
700 mil

heh

Please stop with the ridiculous figures.

I have Met fams wanting to offer Machado 400.  Please.  Dont be an idiot.
Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 06:40:30 PM
So I was watching Showtime's "Ray Donovan" last night, (a lot of bad acting but fun) and in a closing scene, after Ray beats the shit out of a bad guy with a baseball bat, he's asked by his daughter's fiancee, why he uses a wood bat, as studies have shown aluminum get at least 5% more distance.

and Ray answers, “Did Carlton Fisk use fucking aluminum when he won Game 6? No. Fucking wood.”

It cracked up.

 
Title: Re: American League
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 20, 2018, 10:00:06 AM
Big Maple leaving Seattle very tough to believe.