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Title: Major League Baseball
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:19:55 AM
Discuss the state of the American League
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:21:09 AM
Quiz and answer baseball trivia questions here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:21:29 AM
Who did you draft this season? Does you fantasy squad have what it takes to win?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:21:57 AM
Discuss the state of the National League this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:22:50 AM
Who will win the World Series this year?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: liquidsilver on July 30, 2018, 11:53:13 AM
Testing, testing, 1...2...yankees suck....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 01:02:26 PM
Testing, testing, 1...2...yankees suck....

Yes, the system seems to work just fine.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 03:29:27 PM
Price tonight.  Good luck catching us, boys.

Tendi and Bogearts do need to heat up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 04:16:11 PM
So.... Mets are going to bring in Austin Jackson and not play him?

Idiots.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 04:18:40 PM
I think I take Frazier, Andujar, Adams for Degrom if you are offering, by the way.

Sox fans - dont bother - you cant match that.

Who plays third for the Yanks, you ask?

You tell me (if you want the deal)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2018, 04:31:39 PM
Much as I like DeGrom and as much as Adams seems to have fallen, I wouldn't do that. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 07:44:33 PM
Yanks-Twins with a solid trade

Austin wasnt going to be used - would have been a 40-man casualty

Twins get the 19 year old Rios (117K vs just 14 BB), who may have a future
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 07:45:32 PM
Warren and Shreve gone - making room for Lynn and...........(TBD)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2018, 09:11:43 AM
Good to see Elba off the DL

Thanks liq

Welcome to Boston Ian Kinsler

Good game last night
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2018, 09:40:27 AM
Great game, last night. Nola is an ace, but the youngest team in MLB showed their inexperience and gave away the game. Speed bump.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 12:13:50 PM
Yeah.  Pretty good team.  Really like Hoskins.

Odubel screwed the pooch on the Nunez liner.

Some MLB Network guys think Philly "announces themselves as serious" with deals today.

What position upgrade do you prefer?  I find iot fascinating Phils havent upgraded at SS.  Iglesias would be a great fit (Tigers only team to not have made a deal)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 12:22:44 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/trading-roberto-osuna-houston-astros-show-no-conscience-134758777.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/trading-roberto-osuna-houston-astros-show-no-conscience-134758777.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2018, 11:08:04 PM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 10:08:26 AM
I wonder if Evvie felt any compassion with the Nats humiliation of the Mets last night.

Hope the Sox start hitting again, they've been in eh since the ASG break.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 10:14:12 AM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.

Arrietta is clearly Phils leader.

They say you cant lead from an every fifth day situation, but its worked in the past with some teams.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 11:07:08 AM
Good win. Snaps L streak. Shoulda been a sweep.

Next time.

Arrietta is clearly Phils leader.

They say you cant lead from an every fifth day situation, but its worked in the past with some teams.
One of the leaders, and certainly for the pitching staff. Believe it or not, the kid Hoskins is the leader in that young clubhouse.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 01:04:35 PM
I do agree it was a huge win for Phils

Mets are currently giving Nats a head of steam (Rizzo did as well when he dealt basically nobody).

Even today with Syndergaard - Nats up 3-zip already

For thiose who dont wish to look:

Loss column:

Braves
Phils  -1
Nats  -6

Overall

Phils
Braves  -0.5
Nats     - 5.5
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 02:20:05 PM
Jose Reyes becomes the first player in history to allow 6 runs in an inning and then homer from both sides of the dish the next game he appears (as far as I know, that is)

3-2 Nats after 8

Nats DUMPED Shawn Kelly, who threw a hissyfit last night upon beimng used with a 24 run lead (Kelly had allowed just 1 earned run since June 23, but 3 last night)

Interesting move, as they replace him with a rookie first time up guy.

Trying to fix that chemistry......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 04:00:15 PM
Regarding chemistry. WTF is with the Astros bringing in Ocsuna?

Bad move.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 04:16:41 PM
I could envision


a)  Major protests

and

b)  Luhnow deciding not to use Osuna after all


- or none of that.....

Interesting situation indeed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 05:34:55 PM
I just don't know how the gm thought he was improving the team. The players now have to answer all these questions, it's a distraction to them and puts the manager in a bind, and more. Very strange decision.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2018, 05:42:02 PM
From TSN: The Astros manager said he wasn't sure how the clubhouse will react when Osuna joins the team Friday in Los Angeles to face the Dodgers.

"I met with our team shortly after the trade went down and I just told them, 'Feel how you're going to feel'," Hinch told MLB Network on SiriusXM Wednesday.

Osuna has been serving a 75-game suspension as a part of MLB's domestic violence policy but can be activated Sunday. He was arrested and charged with assault May 8, with his last MLB appearance May 6.

"It's going to be an emotional time for him, it's going be an emotional time for our team," Hinch said. "I know there's reactions all over the place. I think a lot of us, especially in our clubhouse, just don't really know what happened, what to think. We don't even really know the court case, court dealings.

"He's not somebody we've had in our clubhouse before."


The Astros have come under fire for acquiring Asuna, especially since he court case has not been resolved yet (his attorneys were in court again Wednesday in Toronto).

He could be due back in court Sept. 5, as the regular season starts to wind down.


"Feel how you feel"? The clubhouse doesn't "really know what happened", which means details to follow, and more questions for all of them. And a Sept. 5 court date?

So now the whole team has the carry this baggage to the finish line.

I don't get this move.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:23:12 AM
and the battle and hype ratches up as the Sox and Ys meet for a 4-gamer @ America's favorite ballpark.

tonght CC v Sale Johnson
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on August 02, 2018, 11:17:26 AM
JOSH -

Just a heads up....

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=t8b4j6qmu9m4hpm9vho70h8k24&action=profile;u=1164

This account, and others that end with "phome" and all listed as "Male, Age 39" in their profiles, are spambots.  Don't know if you have the power to delete them, but you might save a lot of mopping up down the road if you can.  I'm a web admin elsewhere on the web, and am familiar with these.  Also, if you want to pass this along:  threads that were inactive for years, and are now empty, are spam magnets.  If they are thinned a bit, or just locked, it will save some grief.  Or we can keep waiting for that magical day that Latin American Literature and Pets comes back to glorious life.  "My dog has no nose..." 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 01:40:48 PM
Happ to DL.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 09:57:58 PM
playing long-ball at Fenway tonight

As long as we don't offend them.

To Kill a Mockingbird is deemed too racist to discuss in high schools-really?

Thats too bad-I'm not in the book banning school of higher education.

Class today we were going to discuss racism in 19th and 20th century US literature, but the Board of Ed says as some may be hurt by the words and imagery or the possibility of some here acting like idiots. I can't.

So today let's discuss Merchant of Venice.
There are too many fucking woke idiots in this world.
 


They should take a nap their brains are clearly tired and are producing nugatory conclusions
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 02, 2018, 10:35:13 PM
CFBW's are fun to watch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:38:48 PM
Sox down 4-0 and didn't quit.

Good CFBW



https://tenor.com/view/pepe-coin-flip-gif-13326836 (https://tenor.com/view/pepe-coin-flip-gif-13326836)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 02, 2018, 10:51:24 PM
nice to see the top of the order get on base

couldn't smell a hit against Phillies

1-to-5 got base 20 times (16 hits)

outrageous
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on August 03, 2018, 04:52:18 AM
Yanks still need starters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on August 03, 2018, 04:55:42 AM
Two squads in Yahoo. Both killed by Sanchez.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: evvie on August 03, 2018, 08:12:49 AM
I wonder if Evvie felt any compassion with the Nats humiliation of the Mets last night.



I died.

I mean, I've complained about our pitching, but that was just too much!

I was glad I wasn't there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 03, 2018, 09:45:00 AM
Resilience.
The capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.

The key to winning the marathon that is a baseball season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 10:09:04 AM
Yanks still need [A STUD] starter...

Fixed
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 04:11:11 PM
Resilience.
The capacity to recover quickly from difficulties; toughness.

The key to winning the marathon that is a baseball season.

Okay

Now define

shortstop

and

closer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 08:00:57 PM
JOSH -

Just a heads up....

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=t8b4j6qmu9m4hpm9vho70h8k24&action=profile;u=1164

This account, and others that end with "phome" and all listed as "Male, Age 39" in their profiles, are spambots.  Don't know if you have the power to delete them, but you might save a lot of mopping up down the road if you can.  I'm a web admin elsewhere on the web, and am familiar with these.  Also, if you want to pass this along:  threads that were inactive for years, and are now empty, are spam magnets.  If they are thinned a bit, or just locked, it will save some grief.  Or we can keep waiting for that magical day that Latin American Literature and Pets comes back to glorious life.  "My dog has no nose..."

I will be cleaning up the threads regularly. If/when I get the ability to ban them and their IPs, I will do that, too, but thus far it is not an option.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 09:36:51 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 09:47:01 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

The Pedro game was the best game I've ever seen a pitcher pitch, with the Chili Davis hr (RF-yankee stadium) the only hit Pedro gave up that night.
17ks no walks.plunked Knobby.

Porcello not nearly as overpowering, but very efficient, and just throwing strikes.

real nice game.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 03, 2018, 10:25:26 PM
Los Angeles has the best baseball team, the Dodgers, the best basketball team, the Lakers, and the best football team, the Rams.

And the best new boxers are coming from California. 

http://maciasboxingteam.com/

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 10:33:28 PM
The New York Daily News made this observation about Chase Adams' start tomorrow at Fenway:
Quote
The Red Sox’ powerful lineup, which leads the majors in OPS (.796) is a tough first assignment in the big leagues for any pitcher, let alone one making his big league debut.

Their editors must work in the Department of Redundancy Department.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 10:43:53 PM
Well East coast teams are are fun
I really like to clap and cheer 
And the Southern teams with the way they hit
They knock me out when I'm down there
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 03, 2018, 11:27:26 PM
Porcello with a gem.

brings to mind Pedro's 1-hitter (Chili Davis dinger) of '99

I don't remember the earlier game, but Pedro was Pedro and when he threw a game like that, while it was appreciated it was not quite as surprising as seeing "Cy" Porcello do it.

A lovely game to see. I wonder what tomorrow will bring.

The Pedro game was the best game I've ever seen a pitcher pitch, with the Chili Davis hr (RF-yankee stadium) the only hit Pedro gave up that night.
17ks no walks.plunked Knobby.

Porcello not nearly as overpowering, but very efficient, and just throwing strikes.

real nice game.

Oh? Mids this game?  https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201010060.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI201010060.shtml)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 03, 2018, 11:28:36 PM
The New York Daily News made this observation about Chase Adams' start tomorrow at Fenway:
Quote
The Red Sox’ powerful lineup, which leads the majors in OPS (.796) is a tough first assignment in the big leagues for any pitcher, let alone one making his big league debut.

Their editors must work in the Department of Redundancy Department.

They fired all their good writers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 11:28:39 PM
Los Angeles has the best baseball team, the Dodgers, the best basketball team, the Lakers, and the best football team, the Rams.

And the best new boxers are coming from California.

http://maciasboxingteam.com/

Salute,

Tony V.

Must be some new definition of "best" being used, Tony, because it sure doesn't align with any of the old ones.

The Dodgers have the 5th best record in their league, with 4 or 5 teams ahead of them in the AL, as well. They are barely ahead of the next team in their division and may be tied with them before the end of the night.

The Lakers? Hahahahaha! They finished behind the Clippers. 'Nuff said.

The Rams were much improved last year. They managed to finish only 3rd in the NFC. And who knows how long they will stay in LA this time?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 11:32:10 PM
I've seen lots of no-hitters, but I've never seen a better pitched game, nor a more dominant performance, than Pedro's when he pitched against the Ys in '99.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 11:35:35 PM
https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/pedro-martinez-blanks-indians-in-alds (https://baseballhall.org/discover/inside-pitch/pedro-martinez-blanks-indians-in-alds)

This is probably the most amazing pitching performance I can remember having seen. It wasn't a complete game or close to it, because it was a relief appearance in the 4th, but it was the guttiest and most dominating, especially under the circumstances.

I've probably seen better complete games - the no-hitter against the Red Sox this season was mighty dominant.

But Pedro, with nothing over 90mph available, with those 6 innings of no hit ball just sticks in a way few other games ever have stuck with my feeble memory.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 11:07:11 AM
that was a helluva gutsy performance and that game came a month after the 1-hitter

its a amazing he snuffed a great line-up Tribe team with no heater

Pedro could pitch.

good call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 03:56:14 PM
Yanks need to do everything now to set up for the wild card game, including figuring out who they want to pitch

Right now without any doubt it is TANAKA, if they are thinking straight

I'm excited to see ADAMS, who I would have taken as a Met - today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 05:13:12 PM
Another quick on in Boston

Still cannot believe Sox gave up prospect Beeks to get Eovaldi

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
Who questioned that trade? Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 05:20:12 PM
Yanks need to do everything now to set up for the wild card game, including figuring out who they want to pitch

Right now without any doubt it is TANAKA, if they are thinking straight

I'm excited to see ADAMS, who I would have taken as a Met - today.

So far, he's slightly better than Severino was yesterday, both in runs and in pitches thrown. Better than they might have feared if not as good as they likely had hoped. "Better than Severino was yesterday" is not a high bar to clear.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:08:16 PM
Who questioned that trade? Heh.

Same trade as Britton

- but you liked Shreve, I get it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:10:12 PM
Not the same trade as Britton. Not even close. You're becoming more of a troll daily.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:19:06 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:22:56 PM
I posted my reasons about why I thought Britton wasn't a great move and in so doing acknowledged the "keeping him from a competitor" argument was a compelling one. Feel free to go back to them. Oh. You can't? Tough shit. Troll.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:25:30 PM
Actually, you never did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 06:32:36 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

I thought the Red Sox needed Eovaldi.

Didn't you?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:34:24 PM
Say what, Cash?

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman)

White Sox, Astros, Twins, A's. Phils, Mariners all play Sox tougher this year than NY
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:35:59 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.

I will look

@onetitlesince00, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 06:38:58 PM
How'd you guess?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:48:10 PM
alittle bit of added drama

alls well that ends well.

Eovaldi was a stud.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:55:09 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

The deals were not identical.

Britton was an established star closer, Eovaldi more of a lottery ticket starter.

Sox got priced out of the reliever market but could pick-up an end of the rotation starter who might be moved to the pen, or allow someone (Pom) to be moved to the pen.

Britton had a deep market

No one else wanted Eovaldi, which is why the Sox could get him.

and fwiw when I put forth the Ys keeping Britton away from Sox/Astro's was a tangible benefit, a return response disagreed with me.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 06:58:31 PM
Say what, Cash?

https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/red-sox-send-message-yankees-brian-cashman)

White Sox, Astros, Twins, A's. Phils, Mariners all play Sox tougher this year than NY

Cashman sounded like Rex Ryan crying about the Pats.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:00:09 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need. But dammit, it's all on my Twitter page.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 07:03:54 PM
You think Red Sox "needed" Eovaldi?  For what?

I am going on the premise that you did NOT think Yanks needed Britton (easy, since this is basically what you posted)

The 2 deals are identical, right down to the "we kept him from the opposition" stance.

I thought the Red Sox needed Eovaldi.

Didn't you?

It was obviously a great add.

What I thought isnt the issue
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:06:09 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 07:07:21 PM
Actually, I guess we'll never know. Troll.
 Perhaps you can find it on my Twitter account.

Closest I can come is Kid's complaining about the press being drawn to shit in their reporting about Josh Hamilton and your response to that.

I don't currently see anything archived from the AL forum later than 2012.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:10:20 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
I always acknowledge and reject that argument. I don't think any team is good enough and wise enough to focus on another team's needs at the expense of their own.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:23:53 PM
What I said was "while keeping a guy from another team" is always an argument and a compelling one, I prefer my to make trades based on what is needed and the Yankees didn't need to get a guy for whom the talent they gave up could have been used to get a guy they did need.

I agree the Ys did not need Britton, they needed a starter, just like they did before the season started, so I assumed a part of Cashman's reasoning for acquiring a guy they did not need (Britton) and could afford, was to keep a needed asset from his competitors.

I do not recall you stating it was a compelling argument, but I do not possess perfect recall.
I always acknowledge and reject that argument. I don't think any team is good enough and wise enough to focus on another team's needs at the expense of their own.
[/quote

Now I'm confused, you've said you found it a compelling argument and now one you reject.

But I agree focusing on your own team's needs, and addressing them is a simpler and more effective strategy than to try and out-maneuver what an oppponent may do.

But I also think Cashman feels he's playing chess while everyone else is playing with themselves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:31:05 PM
Would you prefer I said "compelling, but ultimately rejected"?

Cashman has the touch of arrogance that all good GMs have to have.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
I thought you rejected my opinion of Cashman's Machiavellian designs, right off the bat, which was why I was surprised today when you used the word "compelling".

NBD. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:39:22 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 07:42:48 PM
YG feels one deal precludes another.  I disagree.

Dillon Tate may end up a big leaguer

But his 1.6 WHIP just 2 years ago might say to bet the other side.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 07:45:04 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."

if you accept some of that reasoning, and believe as you seem to believe that the Ys did not need Britton, but a starter, then Cashman's trading for Britton to lengthen an already deep BP but to also keep him from the Sox and Astro's does not seem a huge leap to accept. And its about impossible to tell which was a more important factor.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 07:57:58 PM
We were talking about and  Kid was trolling about why I didn't think the Yankees needed Britton and why if I were GM I wouldn't have gotten him. I have no idea why Cashman did it. Keeping the Red Sox and Astros from him likely played some role.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:07:23 PM
The compelling part of the argument is "look how good the Sox would be with Britton. We have to do something to stop it." The rejection is "let the Sox have him. Let's get what we need."

I think the Yankee wanted Britton to HAVE Britton.  To have another guy they can trust in the eighth inning and a better one v one lefty vs tough lefties down the stretch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:10:03 PM
Indians-Angels on - and I can honestly say I have ZERO interest.   Funny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 08:10:46 PM
And we're  back to the initial argument(s).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:21:25 PM
Dude - the issue is your not thinking Yanks benefit from Britton

You have yet to make that case.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
Then again....

we have to wait to see when Yanks actually have another lead for him to come in to.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:24:32 PM
Got some baseball people shaking their heads tonight at not relenting to Mets demands on Wheeler.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 08:24:43 PM
From MLB:
Quote
Eovaldi's first impression with his new team has been about as good as possible. He hasn't allowed a run over 15 innings in his first two starts for the Sox. The last time a starting pitcher was unscored upon in his first two starts for Boston? Vaughn Eshelman, who did it in 1995.

That's the late Vaughn Eshelman to you. He died on July 24th, 11 days ago, at age 49 - liver disease. He'd had a transplant in March, but never finished his recovery. His older brother and best friend, Kyle, died at age 40. That's a ton of young death for a family.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 09:49:05 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2018, 10:30:18 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)

Pai-Mei's 5-point palm-ball exploding heart technique claims another victim.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 11:28:31 PM
https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544 (https://twitter.com/KleinschmidtJD/status/1025919671688556544)

Amazingly silly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 05, 2018, 09:15:04 AM
Efflin wins again.

Rolling, rolling, rolling...Nola keep it rolling...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 01:51:25 PM
Asdrubel at short

I like Miami today
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 05, 2018, 05:51:47 PM
I liked Asdrubel today.

On the road again...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
Whew - this one's on Cora.

Price needed to be done on the Gardy single.

And is Hembree really your best there?

If it was 2 games to 1 rather than 3-0 Cora's team is given better by his MGR, I have to feel.

Well done, Yanks.  Betters your WC chances.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 11:03:55 PM
Whew - this one's on Cora.

Price needed to be done on the Gardy single.



Yup.

It was short leash time. Cora messed up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:29:44 PM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 11:36:39 PM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 12:10:16 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 12:27:38 AM
ooooooooooooooooooooops
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:32:27 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 12:36:27 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't

I was agreeing and teasing Kiid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:39:07 AM
Who was that lefty?

Pretty decent.

the Y's new toy from Baltimore

Not that they needed him.

They got 3 closers.

As you might have noticed in this series they needed a starter more.

Or maybe you didn't

I was agreeing and teasing Kiid.

my bad

I assumed that kid was responding to me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2018, 12:50:50 AM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

that was a nut punch win!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 01:01:59 AM
Jessica Mendoza predicted the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 06, 2018, 07:46:43 AM
From the NYT: — As the Yankees trudged off the field in the wee hours of Monday morning, several of them took one last peek across what had become a bandbox of horrors, catching a sight of the Boston Red Sox mobbing Andrew Benintendi near first base.

It was his hit, a ground ball up the middle through a hole in the shifted defense, that delivered the final devastating blow to the Yankees in a weekend full of them. It brought home pinch-runner Tony Renda, whose headlong slide across the plate sealed a 5-4, 10th-inning comeback win that served as an exclamation point on a four-game sweep of the Yankees.

Instead of leaving the field with a modicum of momentum, and perhaps a sense that they were pulling out of an ill-timed funk, the Yankees dropped to nine and one-half games behind the Red Sox in the American League East. But they weren’t ready to admit that they had kissed their hopes of a division title goodbye.

“A tough way, obviously, to end a tough weekend,” Yankees Manager Aaron Boone said. “But we can’t let this define what’s been a great season for us.”


"Bandbox Of Horrors".

Truly.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 06, 2018, 08:07:30 AM
Jesus comes down off hid cross:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/a-weight-has-been-lifted-off-bryce-harper-and-hes-ready-for-the-nationals-final-stand/2018/08/05/9da15c26-98d9-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/a-weight-has-been-lifted-off-bryce-harper-and-hes-ready-for-the-nationals-final-stand/2018/08/05/9da15c26-98d9-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html)

FTR, Rizzo wad NEVER going to trade him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 03:00:15 PM
Indeed, truth, Ut.

I said so at the time.  Media ran with it off some miniscule info.

Harper carrying this club to the playoffs is a nice story.  Hope he gets there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2018, 12:33:02 AM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 12:59:29 AM
There is no baseball karma

Osuna gets W in first HOU appearance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 07, 2018, 11:35:15 AM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!

1978.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 07, 2018, 12:33:15 PM
Uh oh.

The Yankees have trimmed the lead down to 9 and they still have two games in hand!

1978.
Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 01:46:03 PM
heh

'78 was a great season, and a great race, and has become the St. Jude of baseball seasons to some to pray to.

But it was more like a crucible preparing the soul for the real trying times like '86 and '03

fwiw I and most other sportsfans call upon Saint '04 when the night is at its darkest and the task at hand seemingly impossible
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 07, 2018, 02:45:26 PM
heh

'78 was a great season, and a great race, and has become the St. Jude of baseball seasons to some to pray to.

But it was more like a crucible preparing the soul for the real trying times like '86 and '03

fwiw I and most other sportsfans call upon Saint '04 when the night is at its darkest and the task at hand seemingly impossible

Reading too much into it, as usual.

My point is for the Bosox fan to stay humble, as great regular seasons often do not translate into championships.

Perhaps, then, I should have referenced 2011 Phillies, the 2015 Cardinals, the 2008 Angels, the 2004 Yankees, the 2003 Giants and the 2003 Braves, 2002 A's, 2001 Mariners, 1998 Astros, 1988 Mets, the 1976 and 1977 Phillies.

I hope you can grasp that which seemed to have escaped your comprehension before.

No one has ever won the World Series in August.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 03:38:45 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.

There was no boasting in my post, just a reflection upon the pain of races past.

and in Josh's post which gave an accurate update of the 2018 AL East race he did not claim the pennant. 

So your retort is one large false narrative.

As usual you come to provoke, and you end up as a bloodied fool.

And fwiw, 1964 probably remains the platinum standard of pennant collapses.

Likely before your time, though
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 07, 2018, 10:15:43 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.



No. You didn't.

You fucked up.

And now that you know the intent behind the original post, you try to save face.

You haven't won shit, yet, so calm down.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 10:35:04 PM
I think I read the intended purpose into "1978" accurately and and responded appropriately.



No. You didn't.

You fucked up.

And now that you know the intent behind the original post, you try to save face.

You haven't won shit, yet, so calm down.

troll your use of "1978" was meant as troll, as thats all you do
you said nothing else but "1978"

it was as illuminating as red's typical "LOL" when he hasn't a clue, but feels he needs to respond

but its just the empty laugh of a trolling idiot, just like you, you dumb fuck troll

and I responded to your 1-word essay, in context of 1978 as a memorable season

and neither Josh or I clamed a pennant

learn to read you moron.

1964

and you know what the best thing about the Phillies historic choke in 1964?
 
If the Philles had won and not choked losing 10 in a row, and pissing away the pennant to the Cards, David Halberstam probably would never had the interest to do a follow-up classic to his 1949

now go fuck yourself


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 10:36:22 PM
lotta late inning lightening in Toronto
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 11:02:41 PM
that Sox BP!!!

yikes
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2018, 07:57:28 AM
I see banks still can't read what was clearly written. But he can still easily overreact. What a hypersensitive twit.

And still no team had won the World Series in August.

Meanwhile, in the league where they still play the game the way it was intended, the Philly Utes earned another win, behind Nicky P.

Rubber game today.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 08:05:54 AM
what was clearly written?

heh

1964
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2018, 09:33:55 AM
Thinnest skin on the fora. You really should get some professional help. Your displaced anger here is boring. And pathetic.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 10:03:52 AM
heh

troll you really should buy a speck of a clue and some security, as you are a clueless insecure asshole.

Josh gives an AL E update and you respond "1978"

And i post about 2 sentences about the '78 season from my perspective

and then you manufacture false narratives and accuse others of having agendas and thin-skins.

TFF

you're fucked up
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 10:14:48 AM
On Sunday, Kid, because he knows things, and  in yet another attempt to show me wrong for expressing my problems with the trade, noted what was just an okay inning pitched by Britton against the Red Sox with a rhetorical question as to who that pitcher was. 

Is Kid going to ask the same question this morning? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 11:10:05 AM
yank

I'm getting a sense of deja vue

not the best night for Kimbrel or Britton.

more concerned with Kimbrel

Sox BP is clearly their Achilles heel
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 11:21:23 AM
I think the Red Sox have a lot of very good arms in the bullpen and in the event of a total meltdown by Kimbrel they can find somebody else to handle that role.  I think the "traditional" closer role is probably the easiest role in baseball to fill on stop-gap basis. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 11:33:56 AM
They have a lot of guys who throw 95+, but very few who seem to deliver a clean 1-2-3 in late innings.

Last year Kimbrel was a lock, this year not so much. He's had problems with his breaking ball, making sitting on his heater a problem.

Barnes has been pretty decent but Joe Kelly, who was pretty good for the first couple of months, regressed.


They could use another dependable guy, as winning with late run offensive bail-out explosions is not the post-season model you want to count on.

I wonder if/when E-Rod comes back, he returns, at least for awhile as a BP guy, or maybe Eovaldi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 12:41:07 PM
Disagree with YG

I find it puzzling Red Sox do not have a substituite closer on the roster - someone who has handled duties before (Thornburg does have 13 saves in his career, but thats it)

Eovaldi might be a candidate but appears to beneeded as 4th starter.

Matt Barnes the likely guy.  I like him, but thats an anything can happen scenario (could be quite good, could be a mess)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
John Axford, a dreadful pitcher, had 46 saves one season.  Finding a closer shouldn't be that hard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 12:58:03 PM
Yank-I'm not as confident that good closers are as readily available.

That the Ys have 3 closers may have skewed your opinion.

And it seems, barring injury or catastophre,  the sox have made their bed with Kimbrel, but they may have to bolster the pen with some other additions or sleight of hand.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 01:15:16 PM
I'm not sure I said that proven good closers are available, but rather guys become good closers out of a sense of desperation all the time. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 01:39:30 PM
John Axford, a dreadful pitcher, had 46 saves one season.  Finding a closer shouldn't be that hard.

Degrees, my friend...

Degrees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
I'm not sure I said that proven good closers are available, but rather guys become good closers out of a sense of desperation all the time.

I'm not sure that trial and error was a key component to Dave Dombrowski's pre-season approach to the '18 bullpen.

And I don't think the Sox are at desperation yet. Hopefully, from their perspective, they continue to get solid starts most nights, Kelly gets right, Barnes stays reasonably reliable, and whatever curveball funk has funked up Kimbrel is fixable. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2018, 02:34:40 PM
I think Kimbrel will be fine, but if he's not I don't necessarily think it's cause for despair.   Remember in 2013 it took one closer's injury and a second's bout of ineffectiveness before the Sox lucked into Koji as a closer. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 04:51:02 PM
Again - making my point

Uehara had saved 32 games in a season for Yomiuri - then had 13 for the Orioles when put in that spot for just six weeks in 2010.

They had him in the garage - in case he was needed.  Dont know about the luck part.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2018, 11:39:21 PM
Delusional banks showing he's worried Bosox will blow up in post season. Little early for that kind of panic.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2018, 11:39:31 PM
Talk about being misunderstood!

My comment was harkening back to the mindset of Bostonians everywhere when we knew our team could and would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

When every minor issue was proof that Chicken Little was right!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 08:28:49 AM
The delusional troll wrongly accuses me of both claiming victory in August and panic.

the troll is nothing if not clueless

but mostly nothing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 10:55:52 AM
Delusional banks showing he's worried Bosox will blow up in post season. Little early for that kind of panic.

Heh

Blow up how?

I think Sox will hit.  Maybe Sale is out, you foresee?  Pomeranz is used - and sucks? (yeah, more believable)

If they lose it will be close and likely well played - and tip of the cap to the (insert team that played better here)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:06:21 AM
If Eddie R comes back and pitchs as he did, pre ankle sprain, and Pom continues to suck, he  will not be a post-season starter.

Sale-Price-Porcello-Rodrriguez or Eovaldi

depending on line-up might want another RH starter= Eov and ERod to BP.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 11:42:34 AM
Talk about being misunderstood!

My comment was harkening back to the mindset of Bostonians everywhere when we knew our team could and would snatch defeat from the jaws of victory!

When every minor issue was proof that Chicken Little was right!
I thought his name was Grady.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 11:54:45 AM
heh

Grady did his best work on Bull Durham.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 12:30:13 PM
HOU still the team to beat.

Especially now with Osuna, who looked very very good the other day

(Not that they needed him - heh)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 12:36:47 PM
He's a prick, but they did need him.

Has anyone ever told you you're an asshole?

HEH
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
IMO Astro's still the team to beat.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 12:52:34 PM
If I said something like that, Bank, I'd be accused of the ol' reverse mojo thing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 09, 2018, 12:56:14 PM
Probably.

I think the Sox can beat anyone, and might, but I like the Astro's rotation and I got some concerns about the Sox BP against good line-ups.

Sox are a good bet in the 8-5 games, less so in the 4-3 games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2018, 09:18:53 AM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 10:01:19 AM
speaking of Betts, he hit his first career cycle in last nights loss to Toronto.

helluva player, he does everything well

Porcello roughed up after being staked to 2-0 lead.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2018, 10:34:22 AM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.

With thanks to Bob Brookover:
http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html (http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 11:36:55 AM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2018, 05:29:46 PM
It was one year ago today that Rhys Hoskins left triple-A Lehigh Valley and joined the Phillies for a four-game series at Citizens Bank Park against the New York Mets. He went 1 for 13 in that first series. Things, of course, improved in a hurry as he hit 18 home runs in his next 30 games to become the fastest player to 18 home runs in major-league history.

In his first calendar year of Major League Baseball, Hoskins has hit .258 with 35 doubles, 40 home runs, 120 RBIs, and a .918 OPS. His big-league career did not start until he was 24, but it’s still fun to compare his first calendar year to some of the other active stars in the game.

Here’s a look at how Hoskins compares to five of the game’s premier sluggers:

Player                    G      AB      R      H     2B    HR  RBI    BB    K    BA   OBP  SLG   OPS

Rhys Hoskins       155    551    101  142    35     40    120    103  153  .257  .379   .539    .918

Aaron Judge         138    478      97   129   16     39      88      94  194  .270  .394   .523    .967

Bryce Harper        162    616    115   175   31     31      77      68   133 .284  .356   .518    .874

Giancarlo Stanton 156    552     78   142   34      35      92      58   181 .257  .332   .520    .852

Mookie Betts         126    480      71   133   29     13      52      45     67  .277  .341   .440   .781

Nolan Arenado      159     590     63   161  35      14      66      26     85  .273  .303   .417   .720

Note: Mike Trout was not included because he started the 2012 season in the minors after making his major-league debut in July 2011, and that tainted his sample size.

With thanks to Bob Brookover:
http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html (http://philly.com/philly/newsletters/phillies/rhys-hoskins-has-40-hrs-after-one-calendar-year-in-majors-extra-innings-20180810.html)

Yes. Thanks for posting attribution.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 05:35:27 PM
The Phillies got Justin Bour.  I've always liked that guy.  Yankees certainly looked at him at one point during Bird's injury issues.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 06:38:27 PM
Yanks start Romine, Voit and Robinson

Ouch

Tanaka's their most valuable guy - and will show so again tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 06:45:24 PM
I think Shane Robinson is older than me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 06:57:37 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

0 HR last 16 games of 2017

0 HR last 10 thus far this year

Tiiiiiireeeed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:02:38 PM
Tough one today for Nats.  Damn, those Cubs are tough in the close ones.

Have to be a bit puzzled by the addition (by Rizzo) and use today (by Martinez) of Greg Holland.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
I think there's a decent possibility that Martinez is out after this season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2018, 07:30:59 PM
So Hoskins has 22 HR his last 122 games

Decent.

Look at the BB's, R, and RBI.

0 HR last 16 games of 2017

0 HR last 10 thus far this year

Tiiiiiireeeed.

So, you've reduced the game to just hitting home runs.

Weak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:50:16 PM
If you think he is playing well, that is all that matters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 07:51:59 PM
Mets version of NIMMO.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 09:32:30 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:37:59 PM
SUCK should be reserved exclusively for the Orioles.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:40:52 PM
Beckham is an atrocious shortstop.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2018, 09:48:23 PM
pitchers duel at OPACY
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 10:32:38 PM
Beckham is an atrocious shortstop.

The Mudiay of the O's.

Seeing if the #1 pick in him comes out.  If not its a discard
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 10:59:26 AM
You SUCK, Tendi!

How did Benny hurt you kid?

10D is top 10 OPS, top 15 WAR, and you think he sucks?

Did you find out his people chain-migrated?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 11, 2018, 11:20:40 AM
You SUCK, Tendi!

How did Benny hurt you kid?

10D is top 10 OPS, top 15 WAR, and you think he sucks?

Did you find out his people chain-migrated?

There you go again. Get help, sad little man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:26:49 AM
1964

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:31:26 AM
its funny I stick a toe in the water, and the dumb fuck troll shows up.

TFF

or it would be if he wasn't an indecent stalker
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:33:26 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 11, 2018, 11:35:35 AM
BOSTON -- Steven Wright threw off a mound over the weekend for the first time since being placed on the disabled list June 26 with left knee inflammation (retroactive to June 23).

He threw only a few pitches but it was a positive step. Red Sox manager Alex Cora thinks the knuckleballer will pitch again for Boston this season.

"We had a conversation with him on Sunday," Cora said. "He's feeling a lot better than when he came back the first time. Kind of like knowing what he has to do to avoid lapses like this. He's been doing great in the weight room. He's been keeping his arm in shape. He regularly beats his wife with it, since we are pleased with his progress, and we continue to ignore his history of domestic violence, because it serves our purposes to do so.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 11, 2018, 11:37:42 AM
its funny I stick a toe in the water, and the dumb fuck troll shows up.

TFF

or it would be if he wasn't an indecent stalker

Blaming others for your mental illness is fairly typical.

Get help, sad little man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:38:48 AM
water's just fine

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: yankguy on August 11, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..
I'm going with my daughter to the night game. Left field nose bleeds.  It sounds like the rain might be a hit or miss thing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:42:59 AM
Sox play day/nighter in B'more could be a long day made longer by rain/lightening, and neither team has a BP after last night..
I'm going with my daughter to the night game. Left field nose bleeds.  It sounds like the rain might be a hit or miss thing.

Nice.

Bring a glove, with the way both teams were launching rockets last night...

have fun, and stay dry
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 11, 2018, 11:50:03 AM
This is very odd.  I'm now both Yankguy and Yankguy1.  And "Yankguy1" ignored my latest "Yankguy" post.  Strange.  I'll stick with Yankguy1, but if push comes to shove I'll go with "Bluestateward" or "ESPN+".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2018, 11:50:39 AM
Gonna need somebody if Sale is not ok.

Even 4th playoff starter, if needed, is up for grabs.


- this in response to the Wright post
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2018, 11:57:24 AM
So......................appears that on the days MLB Network has Yanks scheduled as their main game - we dont get an alternate game (today it could be Sox-O's so I can see Price pitch) - although when an out of town game IS scheduled for MLB Network we SEE IT even when a local game is running opposite on another network

A semi-blackout rule, I suppose.

So I will be seeing reruns of whatever on MLB while Sox play, forced to watch the LynnYanks take revenge on TX. 

OY!

The full package, by the way, rest of the year, is just 59 bucks if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 11:58:28 AM
Gonna need somebody if Sale is not ok.

Even 4th playoff starter, if needed, is up for grabs.


- this in response to the Wright post

Sale goes Sunday.

Sox giving Cuevas a shot in tonight's night cap.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 12:00:10 PM
So......................appears that on the days MLB Network has Yanks scheduled as their main game - we dont get an alternate game (today it could be Sox-O's so I can see Price pitch) - although when an out of town game IS scheduled for MLB Network we SEE IT even when a local game is running opposite on another network

A semi-blackout rule, I suppose.

So I will be seeing reruns of whatever on MLB while Sox play, forced to watch the LynnYanks take revenge on TX. 

OY!

The full package, by the way, rest of the year, is just 59 bucks if anyone is interested.

Reddit streams is a nice work around to blackouts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 11, 2018, 12:38:05 PM
This is very odd.  I'm now both Yankguy and Yankguy1.  And "Yankguy1" ignored my latest "Yankguy" post.  Strange.  I'll stick with Yankguy1, but if push comes to shove I'll go with "Bluestateward" or "ESPN+".

You have seemed rather duplicitous of late.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 11, 2018, 04:04:25 PM
1st game of twi-nighter Price with strong outing, supported by 3 dingers

5-0 win

poetic justice for 5-0 wash-out a few weeks ago.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 12:14:31 AM
Nuther 1-5 for FatTendi

1 HR in 100+ AB

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 08:49:01 AM
I'm glad I don't know shit about fantasy baseball, I think I'd miss a lot of the game

10D top-10-15 in OPS and WAR  in AL

he's a way above average ballplayer.

what I've noticed over the past week is he's been doing a lot of 1st pitch swinging and just missing and popping up

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 11:56:36 AM
Well alright.......Dave Roberts

Dodgers replacement for Jansen never got a real shot.  Alexander gives up one hit and is lifted.  Guiy that comes in surrenders 3 run walkoff bombadilla.

Heh

Alexander's line

.1 inning, 1 K, 1 hit, 1 earned run (came in on the dinger)

Good luck the rest of the way, Davey Boy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 12, 2018, 01:27:19 PM

Phillies option Zach Eflin to Triple A to make room for Justin Bour
By Jim Salisbury | NBC Sports Philadelphia August 11, 2018 8:05
SAN DIEGO — The Phillies employed a creative bit of personnel management in getting newcomer Justin Bour on the 25-man roster for Saturday night’s game against the San Diego Padres.


The Phillies did not subtract from their middle-infield bench depth and send J.P Crawford or Scott Kingery to the minors.

They optioned a member of their starting pitching rotation to the minor leagues.

And here’s the thing:

Zach Eflin won’t even miss a start. He’ll be out 10 days of big-league service time and big-league pay, but he will be able to pitch for the Phillies on Thursday and come back and make his normal start after that.

Here’s how it works: The Phillies have a doubleheader on Thursday against the Mets. They are allowed to add a 26th man from the minors for that day and it will be Eflin. After that, he will go back to the minors for the completion of his 10-day option and be eligible to return to the rotation on Aug. 22 in Washington.


Brilliant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:56:08 PM
I presume that Sale was taken out for purely precautionary reasons, after coming off the DL.

I hope that was why!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 03:56:08 PM
Now I find myself hoping we don't score a fifth run, with Kimbrel coming in!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2018, 04:20:24 PM
I presume that Sale was taken out for purely precautionary reasons, after coming off the DL.

I hope that was why!

Sale was about unhittable, and had a 85 pitch limit, maybe the brain trust didn't want to push it and played it conservatively.

Let him leave with a good feeling over dominant performance.

Kimbrel's been an adventure, he was ok today, got squeezed on what should have been a strike 3 on the BB.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 09:52:41 PM
Sweet pitching duel right now at Wrigley

 3 hits combined through 6 vs Scherzer and Hamels.

Would be a shame if we dont get a Nats-Cubs 7-gamer this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 10:01:56 PM
Scherzer is close to "Pedro in his prime" territory.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 11:04:29 PM
 Oh my.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 11:36:38 PM
Well...

for the 12th time - the fucking Treinen deal was stupid

That said - how do you keep Madsen in when he had the command he showed?

Davey 1
Davey 2

The MGR stupid-off resumes tomorrow
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 09:57:35 AM
just saw the walk-off granny

tough way for Scherzer to lose a W

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:33:04 PM
Touki Touissant gets the start for the Braves today.  I recal wanting Mwets to draft him a few years back (may have been the Conforto year)

1-1 through 3.  Alright, Tookster.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:33:54 PM
Maybe we will get a Phils update today.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 03:53:58 PM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 13, 2018, 09:23:26 PM
Maybe we will get a Phils update today.

heh

The Utes are resilient. But the rest of the month will tell the tale. Either it's midnight for Cinderella, already, or it's Rocky Balboa time.

Either way, Scherzer's no decision deserved.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 11:15:53 PM
It wasn't quite the pitcher's duel of last night.

Who knew the Mets could play long-ball?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 01:50:14 AM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight

Twinbill?

Severino was not the pitcher the Yankees needed tonight.

And CC went on the DL.

Can the Yankees hang onto the top WC slot? Or onto a WC slot at all?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 02:04:18 AM
Talk of Sonny Gray starting Friday

Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 02:37:06 AM
https://twitter.com/AugustineMLB/status/1029074184213880832 (https://twitter.com/AugustineMLB/status/1029074184213880832)

Touki could be the real deal
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
looking forward to deGrom-Severino/Better Call Saul twinbill tonight

Twinbill?



1-Mets @ Yankees ESPN 7pm

2-BCS   AMC 9pm

twinbill delivered an entertaining night

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:03:16 PM
Prayers for Leonys:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-indians-outfielder-leonys-martin-battling-life-threatening-bacterial-infection-220238551.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-indians-outfielder-leonys-martin-battling-life-threatening-bacterial-infection-220238551.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:32:32 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 14, 2018, 01:34:03 PM
Pavetta and VeeVee get the Sox starts.

Utes!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 01:42:35 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
I imagine Ruth is the easy one and also that he did that more than twice. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 01:52:00 PM
Come to think of it, I imagine Gehrig did that more than twice as well. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 01:57:54 PM
I would bet the Williams, Mantle and Bonds are also on that list.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:05:37 PM
Maybe Foxx, Musial, Mays, Aaron
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 02:11:03 PM
I'd imagine Albert Belle, A-Rod, Manny and Frank Thomas did it at least once. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:19:06 PM
Just checked: Manny did it once, Nomar just missed


Edit: Mays, Aaron both missed
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 02:24:17 PM
DiMaggio (Joe) must have done it.  And more than once I'd guess.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 02:31:30 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 02:34:07 PM
probably too many ABs and not enough triples.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 03:05:15 PM
Highest Slugging was .621. Not Cobb.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:54:54 PM
Norm Cash is  my guess from those unmentioned.

I figured Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, and Bonds.

George Brett would be a long shot.

Rogers Hornsby?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:59:08 PM
Norm Cash is  my guess from those unmentioned.

I figured Ruth, Gehrig, Williams, and Bonds.

George Brett would be a long shot.

Rogers Hornsby?

Hornsby three times, as I look at it.

Norm Cash made it in 1961.

George Brett in 1980.

Just putting this here for ease of finding it:
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 14, 2018, 06:13:06 PM
F. Robby?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:15:43 PM
I tried Carew, Boggs, and Carty. I really didn't think Carew would have a chance.

Boggs (.588) and Carty (.584) didn't make it on their slugging.

Carew was a bit further back at .570 or .446 in his two years in which his AVG and OBP made it. .446 is amazingly low for .364 AVG.
Boggs had three other years that made it except for slugging.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:17:50 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 06:31:16 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
.650 slugging. He was .029 short in 1911.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
 Nap Lajoie?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
I would bet the Williams, Mantle and Bonds are also on that list.

Mantle did it twice. (BS)
Williams did it twice. (That makes at least three people.) He also hit it in 1955, but while he got over 400 ABs he only played 98 games - not sure if that qualifies. (BS)
Bonds did it twice. (That makes four.) (BS)

Ruth was 8 times! He and Bonds were close to it for their lifetime stats. (YG)
Gehrig was 4 times. (That's six people who did it twice or more. Maybe he meant exactly twice?) (YG)
Jimmy Foxx 3 times. (That's seven!) (BS)
Hornsby 3 times (J)
DiMaggio once. (YG)
Manny once. (YG)
Frank Thomas once. (YG)
Belle once, in 106 games in 1994. Does that count? (YG)
George Brett once. (J)
Norm Cash once. (J)


ARod never made it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:39:04 PM
Cobb might have snuck in.

And did - not even sneaking.
.420 .467 .621

47 doubles, 4 triples, 8 homers
.650 slugging. He was .029 short in 1911.

Reading glasses! I need reading glasses. (Well, no, just remembering what I was looking for - that was why I copied the thing!)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:47:34 PM
Nap Lajoie?

Slugged .643 his best year. Just shy.

Hank Greenberg? Al Kaline?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:52:10 PM
We're now at 13 of the twelve who have ever done it.

Or is it only 12 because Belle's 106 games don't count?

Bets there are more?

Seems like a good one to me, given the miss on how many had done it twice (three people) or more than once (seven).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:54:01 PM
There are more.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 06:58:39 PM
Norm Cash was a helluva pluck.

I remember his '61 almost entirely for his .361 and batting title, his career year.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 07:00:16 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 07:21:59 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?

*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 07:32:30 PM
That was a career year along the lines of a Brady Anderson career year. Expansion = peds?
Cork.

Though, of course, he used cork for most of his career, so it really does not.explain .361.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 07:37:09 PM
I thought perhaps Shoeless Joe, Lefty O'Doul, Babe Herman, or maybe Al Simmons.

Babe Herman was a winner, in 1930!




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 08:01:59 PM
Only 8 more to go, folks...

Maybe he meant 22 of them?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 08:08:04 PM
I got Larry Walker at 3 seasons (at altitude)

and

Albert Pujols once

struck out on Schmidt
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
Kimbrel makes an interesting game a little more interesting

good game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 14, 2018, 09:54:16 PM
The Utes looked good, but came up short. Go, Fish!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 09:59:27 PM
ahhhhright, Kimby
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 10:02:45 PM
Kimbrel makes an interesting game a little more interesting

good game

3 games. 5 runs per side.

A Phillies-Red Sox World Series could be very interesting, if both teams manage to get that far - which it is far too early to predict.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 10:20:18 PM
Hembree's kind of growin on me

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1029539364882313216 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1029539364882313216)

Heh - Odubel
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 10:46:32 PM
Todays quiz:


Mookie Betts has a chance to do something only 12 others have done in MLB history

.350 BA
.425 on base %
.650 SLG%

Who are the other 12?

Who are the only 2 two to do it twice (one easy, one tough)?

So, Kiid...

I'm up to 21 of them (post 1899). Did you invert the digits? And more than two who did it twice and a bunch of others with more than twice.

What gives?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 11:14:17 PM
ataboy

https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html)

In other words, the Red Sox are the personification of Betts, who is threatening to join an elite group: Players who have finished a season with at least a .350 batting average, a .425 on-base percentage and a .650 slugging percentage. The last to do it was Albert Pujols and before that Barry Bonds. Others include Babe Ruth (eight times), Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, George Brett, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio and, of course, Larry Walker twice.



Never did like Passan (though in fairness he did say "including")

Oh well - gave you idiots something to do
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 11:28:10 PM
kid

It appears the only idiot was you in that you accepted Passan's information as accurate and complete without checking.

atta boy

keep on underperforming
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 11:38:23 PM
ataboy

https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/latest-bigotry-reminds-us-baseball-indeed-white-mans-game-060228106.html)

In other words, the Red Sox are the personification of Betts, who is threatening to join an elite group: Players who have finished a season with at least a .350 batting average, a .425 on-base percentage and a .650 slugging percentage. The last to do it was Albert Pujols and before that Barry Bonds. Others include Babe Ruth (eight times), Lou Gehrig, Rogers Hornsby, Jimmie Foxx, Mickey Mantle, Ted Williams, George Brett, Stan Musial, Joe DiMaggio and, of course, Larry Walker twice.



Never did like Passan (though in fairness he did say "including")

Oh well - gave you idiots something to do

Right. We're idiots because you misinterpreted something a sportscaster wrote, deciding he was complete and changing what he said while you were at it.

I take it that you are not up to trying to figure out the other 8.

That's fine.

I thought it was a good and interesting puzzle, despite the misleading (okay, bogus) clues.

Here's a clue. At least 3 people did it in the same year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:10:08 AM
Cool.

Some big names there

And yeah - Passan is a putz.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:11:30 AM
Another big night for Mr Happ, who Yanks gave up waaaaay too much for.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 12:28:53 AM
Who said that?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:48:49 AM
Sparks fly in LA

Hundley and Puig ejected
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 01:22:32 AM
Who said that?

Far more succinct.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
Scherzer is close to "Pedro in his prime" territory.

Scherzer's is probably my favorite non-Sox pitcher.

A related article in yesterdays Globe


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/14/chris-sale-measuring-peak-pedro-and-two-other-overlooked-red-sox-stats/GzIbiuIxxzjqPAE8XyQnWL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/14/chris-sale-measuring-peak-pedro-and-two-other-overlooked-red-sox-stats/GzIbiuIxxzjqPAE8XyQnWL/story.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 15, 2018, 03:34:43 PM
https://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/latest_2018_world_series_odds_red_sox_overwhelming.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2018/08/latest_2018_world_series_odds_red_sox_overwhelming.html)

Boston the big favorite to win it all.

But in the playoffs, pressure to wrap up a monster season becomes too great for some teams.

Either they win it all, or we find out who this year's version of Grady Little will be.

Vince Velasquez tries out his mound skills in a big games for the Utes tonight. He hits well, too. Which is what they need. Wilson Ramos reports for duty.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 04:39:19 PM
heh

persistence.

Off the top of my head, I think the '60 Yankees or '69 Orioles may have been the best pennant winners (edit--I saw) not to win their respective World Series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 04:43:03 PM
54 Indians?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 04:48:02 PM
I meant to include "I saw"

but 111 wins and getting swept in the Series would have to be head of the Grady Little Division.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 04:57:42 PM
BETTS out of the lineup tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 05:20:45 PM
1995 Indians?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 15, 2018, 05:58:49 PM

 2011 Phillies?
 2015 Cardinals?
2008 Angels?
2004 Yankees? 2003 Giants and the 2003 Braves?
2002 A'? 2001 Mariners? 1998 Astros? 1988 Mets? 1976 and 1977 Phillies?

1995 Indians?

2008 Patriots?


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 06:31:19 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
That's how I read it and why I didn't mention the 2001 Mariners.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 06:39:55 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
That's how I read it and why I didn't mention the 2001 Mariners.

Exactly, they did not win the AL pennant in '01.

I expected you and most others here understood the gist and didn't see the need to spell it out or dumb it down.

But the troll got to mention Grady Little and the '08 Pats, so he's happy but clueless.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 06:42:00 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.
1995 Indians. 100 wins in 144 games. Shut down in the World.Series by umpires deliberately expanding the strike.zones for Maddux and Glavine just to spite me
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 09:18:07 PM
Mets sure did the right thing keeping Wheeler

Fuck those teams that tried to rob us.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 09:47:25 PM
Save Billy Hamilton, Bader on the Cardinals might be the fastest player in baseball. He's a blur.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 10:25:50 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
I remember the good old days when the words "pennant winner" was widely understood to mean league champ.

Or even baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 10:34:37 PM
You SUCK, Tendi!

he had a cheesesteak in the clubhouse he had to get back to.

he's been first-pitch swinging alot lately
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 15, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
a night of squanders

too much Ramos

and too much Pom

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 15, 2018, 10:43:13 PM
Wilson Ramos reports for duty.

And shows the Utes the way.

Great, and necessary CFB win, the kind that a young team needs in a season like this one.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 10:55:25 AM
Aretha

God blessed you and you blessed us.

RIP
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 11:02:00 AM
If one believes in such things there must be a nice reunion taking place in heaven with Duane Allman.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 04:56:51 PM
Ys with bases loaded no outs squander in the 9th

taking notes from last night's Sox game plan
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 06:15:01 PM
Nimmo goes 5-5 yesterday, goes down today and nobody has said a word.

What - is fucking Acuna baseball's pet?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 16, 2018, 06:51:49 PM
Mets screwing around with the pythag formula these last two games.

Gonna compute to a 85 win team

heh.

Did the Phillies know they had a day game today?

or too much partying after last night?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 06:53:08 PM
Oddly, at a game under .500 and 9 back I still haven't closed the door on the Nats.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 16, 2018, 08:17:20 PM
If one believes in such things there must be a nice reunion taking place in heaven with Duane Allman.

https://youtu.be/wta5GU3FNhA (https://youtu.be/wta5GU3FNhA)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 16, 2018, 09:08:21 PM
Real baseball is dead. Uruna gets six games for playing the game the way it's always been played. Braves whimpering reinforced.

Disgusting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
Hoskins -

worst

shoes

ever
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:29:02 PM
If Urena appealed he might get it cut to 5

That it was first pitch of the game made all the difference.

I have no problem with the suspension.  The (MLB Radio) idiot Casey Stern called for 20 games - 5 is the way it has been, so that is proper at this point.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:32:54 PM
Swing the bat, Quinn, ya little shit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 16, 2018, 10:56:32 PM
Resilience.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 11:04:27 AM
Quote
Diamondbacks 5, Padres 1: If you placed money on “Some time in 2018 Clay Buchholz will pitch a complete game, allowing only one run on five hits, getting the win for a playoff contending team” before the season began you would’ve been arrested for suspected time-traveling and/or placed in a rubber room so you could not do any harm to others or to yourself. Yet it happened. He got five runs of support in the first inning, thanks in part to a David Peralta three-run homer, and other than allowing a Hunter Renfroe solo shot in the eighth, he was lights-out. Not too bad for a guy everyone thought was burnt toast not too long ago.

Speaking of resilience.

I'm glad for Clay, but I sure wonder what changed for him! Maybe the heat of the spotlights in Boston and Philly was too much, but with nobody paying attention in AZ, he's thriving?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 11:05:59 AM
its the dry-heat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 11:11:29 AM
its the dry-heat.

It's the heat, not the humility?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2018, 12:27:36 PM
its the dry-heat.

It's the heat, not the humility?

Sounds about right.

It was funny, early yesterday I scanned the games and saw Buchholz was pitching, and i had forgotten about him, so I looked at his #s, and had a "good for him" reaction.

And then he a CG win last night.

Good for him.

It seems it wasn't all that long ago "we" had him and Lester penciled in as our budding #1 #2 homegrown studs pitching and winning in Fenway for the next decade.

time flies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 01:42:07 PM
Quote
Diamondbacks 5, Padres 1: If you placed money on “Some time in 2018 Clay Buchholz will pitch a complete game, allowing only one run on five hits, getting the win for a playoff contending team” before the season began you would’ve been arrested for suspected time-traveling and/or placed in a rubber room so you could not do any harm to others or to yourself. Yet it happened. He got five runs of support in the first inning, thanks in part to a David Peralta three-run homer, and other than allowing a Hunter Renfroe solo shot in the eighth, he was lights-out. Not too bad for a guy everyone thought was burnt toast not too long ago.

Speaking of resilience.

I'm glad for Clay, but I sure wonder what changed for him! Maybe the heat of the spotlights in Boston and Philly was too much, but with nobody paying attention in AZ, he's thriving?

You have to understand pitching

And adjustments

And health

Resilience?  Yeah, of course that is part of it.

Good story in the Globe about Eovaldi's transformation.  The cutter that WAS, then wasnt (after a trade).  Now it is again(after Eovaldi suggested it be revived).

Has gone from throwing 70% fastballs to much less than 50.

Yep, pitchers often have more than 1 or even 2 lives.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 17, 2018, 09:34:33 PM
Nola! Ring the bell! Utes get it done.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 10:56:14 PM
Need one more
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
An A's- Phillies World Series...now, there's something to ask the baseball gods to bring us all!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 12:16:57 PM
What Fall Classic would be complete without a football field lined out on the diamond?

Pop-up to the 30-yard line--can the SS call for a fair catch?


 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 03:15:34 PM
An A's- Phillies World Series...now, there's something to ask the baseball gods to bring us all!

Longest subway series since 1962!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2018, 03:17:15 PM
What Fall Classic would be complete without a football field lined out on the diamond?

Pop-up to the 30-yard line--can the SS call for a fair catch?

Not if it's in foul territory.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2018, 03:18:44 PM
Save Billy Hamilton, Bader on the Cardinals might be the fastest player in baseball. He's a blur.


Have you seen the Mighty Roman Quinn, yet?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 03:33:53 PM
Save Billy Hamilton, Bader on the Cardinals might be the fastest player in baseball. He's a blur.


Have you seen the Mighty Roman Quinn, yet?

Bader's tied for fourth, according to StatCast, while Quinn is tied for 9th. Byron Buxton is 1st, ahead of Hamilton and Trea Turner, who are tied for 2nd:
https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sprint_speed_leaderboard?year=2018&position=&team=&min=10 (https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/sprint_speed_leaderboard?year=2018&position=&team=&min=10)

Rajai Davis is tied for 24th. He's 38. Only one person over 28 is above him. Albert Pujols is at the bottom, a couple slots below Yadier Molina.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2018, 07:38:17 PM
Today's quiz (not given by Jeff Passan)


12 players have spend their entire career with the same MLB team, minimum ten big league seasons

Now give me the top 5, based on number of years
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 09:23:55 PM
Today's quiz (not given by Jeff Passan)


12 players have spend their entire career with the same MLB team, minimum ten big league seasons

Now give me the top 5, based on number of years

Cal Ripken is one of them.

Duh. Yaz has to be one of them.

Kaline. Walter Johnson.

Did Musial make it? I know he lost time to war, like Ted Williams did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 09:35:52 PM
Today's quiz (not given by Jeff Passan)


12 players have spend their entire career with the same MLB team, minimum ten big league seasons

Now give me the top 5, based on number of years



Now I know the correct answer.

And your number is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Unless you meant to include the word "active" in your post, of course.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 18, 2018, 09:41:41 PM
Brooks?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 09:45:20 PM
Today's quiz (not given by Jeff Passan)


12 players have spend their entire career with the same MLB team, minimum ten big league seasons

Now give me the top 5, based on number of years



Now I know the correct answer.

And your number is wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

Unless you meant to include the word "active" in your post, of course.

In which case, Mauer would be one of them. Yadi, whom I mentioned earlier for his speed, is another. And King Felix is a third.

Pedey is up there. Don't know if he makes it

But again, I am almost certain it is more than 12, given the constraints you listed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 09:55:21 PM
just 12 guys on the same team for 10+ years can't be right.

Sox LF from 1939-1989 take up 3 spots.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 09:57:02 PM
just 12 guys on the same team for 10+ years can't be right.

Sox LF from 1939-1989 take up 3 spots.

Like I said - he has to have meant active players. That way, while it is more than 12, 12 would be close.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 18, 2018, 09:58:50 PM
 Tony Gwynn. Bob Gibson. Ernie Banks. Mel Ott. Mickey Mantle.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 18, 2018, 10:00:07 PM
George Brett. Robin Yount.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2018, 10:04:10 PM
just 12 guys on the same team for 10+ years can't be right.

Sox LF from 1939-1989 take up 3 spots.

Like I said - he has to have meant active players. That way, while it is more than 12, 12 would be close.

lol

Tony Gwynn.....

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 10:09:37 PM
Gehrig, Rizzutto, Berra, Joe D, Mantle, Whitey Ford, Jeter
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2018, 10:29:01 PM
There are 18 over TWENTY years if we mean all players, instead of active.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2018, 10:33:08 PM
current players........

Need 12

then a top 5
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 18, 2018, 10:48:36 PM
the constant about kid is he's too dumb to understand he asked a flawed and incorrect question.

He heard it, didn't question it, believed it, and just repeated it.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2018, 11:32:21 PM
MISTER Price....

https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1031005049382731776 (https://twitter.com/ChrisCotillo/status/1031005049382731776)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2018, 01:25:03 AM
current players........

Need 12

then a top 5

So, any 12, not just the top twelve. And you don't know how many there are.

Where did you get this one from?

Dustin Pedroia in top five
Joe Mauer in the top five
King Felix in the top five
Yadier Melina in the top five
David Wright, top five if he counts.
Ryan Braun
Joey Votto
Brett Gardner
Alexei Ramirez
Clayton Kershaw
Homer Bailey
Player to be named later

Would Andre Ethier have counted in June? Does David Wright count now? I listed Pedey, but does he count?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2018, 09:51:43 AM
Mister Price

pitched himself another good game last night.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2018, 04:35:36 PM
Rays avoid sweep and blank Sox 2-0

Indians come in for 4-game tea-party

first time these guys have faced each other this year

measuring stick for both teams.

should be fun.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 04:53:51 PM
Alexei Ramirez?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 04:56:30 PM
 Ethier hasnt played this year

I think they gagged on Pedroia and his 3 games played this year though that wouldnt explain why they included Wright

With Pedey it is 13.

2 missing from Josh's list
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 19, 2018, 07:31:40 PM
Things are looking up. Miller is healthy, the pen has stabilized, and no one has almost died in weeks.

Martin was released from the hospital today, so I can officially joke about it.

Of course, Bauer is out for the foreseeable future, doubtful for a return before the post season. Schlesinger moves up to 3rd starter in the post season, if necessary.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
Bauer is already throwing.

I will say mid September if not sooner

One of my current favorites.  Great back story.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2018, 08:26:53 PM
Every year, some idiot........


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-nl-mvp-could-belong-to-a-pitcher-in-2018-with-three-great-options-on-the-board/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/the-nl-mvp-could-belong-to-a-pitcher-in-2018-with-three-great-options-on-the-board/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 19, 2018, 09:28:47 PM
Bauer is already throwing.

I will say mid September if not sooner

One of my current favorites.  Great back story.
We can afford to wait on him, just.get him tuned up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2018, 10:15:55 PM
a little late inning drama, but not quite enough,

good CFBW for the Tribe
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 21, 2018, 10:27:45 PM
Tribe whupped Sox tonight

too little too late

bump in the road, but its the first time since April they've lost 3 in a row.

and Allen flashed some leather in CF
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 21, 2018, 10:56:26 PM
Does Mike Rizzo keep his job?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 22, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
As you said, Mr. Utley, Roman Quinn can fly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2018, 10:47:53 PM
Sox perk up tonight and whup Tribe

10D's bases jammed double and the return of the long-ball ended losing streak

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 23, 2018, 04:20:47 AM
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/indy-ball-manager-gets-dramatic-after-ejection/c-291504730 (https://www.mlb.com/cut4/indy-ball-manager-gets-dramatic-after-ejection/c-291504730)

Butch Hobson's the manager. He remains a character, if a tad slower than he used to be (and he was never fast).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 23, 2018, 04:31:59 AM
Alexei Ramirez?

Now I have to figure out who I meant!

Back to the drawing board..

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 03:37:40 PM
Price with another great outing.

8 innings 3 hit 7ks 0 BBs

totally in control
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 23, 2018, 04:31:15 PM
Scherzer-Nola duel.

Nola wins this one.

Next one, next week.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 23, 2018, 05:04:04 PM
Price with another great outing.

8 innings 3 hit 7ks 0 BBs

totally in control

That's two good outings against good teams. While it isn't post-season, it's better than the Yankees' being his daddy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2018, 05:39:32 PM
since that shit-show against the Yankees, Price has 7 quality starts (all Sox wins) and of those 3 were team shut-outs and 3 against pretty good teams, (Tribe, Philles, Yankees)

But as you sugggest, his real challenge will be in October
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on August 24, 2018, 05:27:44 AM
Homerism in NYC. How is Jacob Degrom a Cy Younger? Cherry pick the ERA and exclude wins. Thor on the Mets is 9-3 JD is 8-8. Every media outlet is pushing JD. Two pitchers with teams in pennant drives have won 15. 25 pitchers in the NL have won more than 8.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 24, 2018, 11:05:01 AM
I think Ryan Zimmerman is one of the missing quiz answers.  Surprised you all missed that one. 

Lots of good NL story lines.  Sorry to see Mats lose yesterday.  That was pivotal.  But still plenty alive.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 24, 2018, 07:18:41 PM
I think Ryan Zimmerman is one of the missing quiz answers.  Surprised you all missed that one. 

Lots of good NL story lines.  Sorry to see Nats lose yesterday.  That was pivotal.  But still plenty alive.

Here, let me help.

I saw Zimmerman, after I had already posted my choices.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 24, 2018, 09:09:53 PM
0
I think Ryan Zimmerman is one of the missing quiz answers.  Surprised you all missed that one. 

Lots of good NL story lines.  Sorry to see Nats lose yesterday.  That was pivotal.  But still plenty alive.

Here, let me help.

I saw Zimmerman, after I had already posted my choices.

Help?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 24, 2018, 09:12:00 PM
Heh

Throwing the ball as well as ever

Zero cause for concern.  Price should get the ball game 1 if Sale is not able

Making me some cash this year as well, which is nice.  (Traded for Price and a few others about 5 weeks ago)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on August 25, 2018, 01:50:39 AM
Clayton Kershaw, also Berra played a few games with Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 25, 2018, 02:45:49 AM
0
I think Ryan Zimmerman is one of the missing quiz answers.  Surprised you all missed that one. 

Lots of good NL story lines.  Sorry to see Nats lose yesterday.  That was pivotal.  But still plenty alive.

Here, let me help.

I saw Zimmerman, after I had already posted my choices.

Help?

Yes.

You clearly wanted your words reposted.

I reposted them, again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 25, 2018, 08:26:50 AM
OK, Alexei
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 25, 2018, 09:20:17 PM
Well, that was no fun!

I mean, the Rays played a good game, but just not fun for a Sox fan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2018, 09:50:11 AM
I think Mookie needs to get re-charged he's been flat for about 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 11:20:15 AM
And Tendi has been fat all year.

Guessing this winter he drops a few

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2018, 11:40:06 AM
most kids add muscle and pounds as they grew into their bodies.

As you mature from kid to adult you may experience that change.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 02:40:34 PM
most kids add muscle and pounds as they grew into their bodies.

As you mature from kid to adult you may experience that change.

*If
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 02:41:31 PM
The hope is that we can take advantage of their failure to get the extra point and catch them in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
And my hope is that you stop worrying about winning every fucking game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 26, 2018, 07:59:07 PM
And my hope is that you stop worrying about winning every fucking game

You are too funny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 08:01:25 PM
Why aren't AL pitchers plunking Kendrys Morales?

Discuss.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 26, 2018, 08:15:19 PM
Mariano Rivera had TEN seasons under a 1.000 WHIP

That's remarkable

But he never went sub-1/sub-1 (Mo's best ERA was 1.38)

Blake Treinen currently at 0.98/0.97 (64 innings)

Nice trade Nats, especially since Doolittle is one of the poisons in your clubhouse.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 27, 2018, 12:53:09 PM
the lost week-end in Tampa Bay

there was nothing enjoyable watching games in that mausoleum with the players wearing those unis.

Snell was pretty good though.

But burn those f'ing uniforms
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2018, 02:31:45 PM
Starting to look like 1978 in the AL East.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 02:45:23 PM
As long as Shane Robinson and Neil Walker are getting regular OF time, I'm not willing to run with a 1978 comparison.  Yet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2018, 03:08:08 PM
As long as Shane Robinson and Neil Walker are getting regular OF time, I'm not willing to run with a 1978 comparison.  Yet.

You never know. It could be Neil "Fucking" Walker or Shane "Fucking" Robinson is still to come.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 03:20:29 PM
No doubt.  Those things are unpredictable.  What's more concerning to me is the length of time it's taking you to post J.D. Martinez' Instagram musings.  You're losing whatever fastball you had left. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
No doubt.  Those things are unpredictable.  What's more concerning to me is the length of time it's taking you to post J.D. Martinez' Instagram musings.  You're losing whatever fastball you had left.

Maybe it's more you failing to recognize the curveball.

We could talk about the gay bashing ex-Nat Daniel Murphy and why he was nixed from the dysfunction that is the DC clubhouse, though.

I mean, if you're up for it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 05:19:35 PM
We could. The timing of the trade didn't make a lot of sense to me. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 06:20:36 PM
Cubs love him

Maybe they all hate gays too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 06:28:16 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2018, 06:39:15 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

But he is choosy as to who grabs him.

The Hamels trade the Cubs made was the bigger move, I think.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2018, 06:41:47 PM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 06:51:16 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

But he is choosy as to who grabs him.

The Hamels trade the Cubs made was the bigger move, I think.
No argument.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 07:04:31 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

Bryant's back this week
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2018, 07:06:00 PM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)

....but Mets playing hardball - want a half decent prospect
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 27, 2018, 07:21:22 PM
Fantastic trade for Chicago.  Especially cause I don't think Bryant's coming back this year.... Would love for the Yankees to have grabbed him.

Bryant's back this week
We'll see.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 28, 2018, 09:11:18 AM
Joey Bats claimed by Phils.

https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/phillies-why-not-pending-claim-190716589.html)

....but Mets playing hardball - want a half decent prospect

They'll take cash.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 28, 2018, 03:13:18 PM
As I said...https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-acquire-jose-bautista-mets-173211469.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-acquire-jose-bautista-mets-173211469.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 28, 2018, 09:01:54 PM
Nola is brilliant. He throws any pitch in any count in any situation. Remarkable.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 28, 2018, 09:24:47 PM
That said, the Phillies aren't ready yet. They play terrible defense, run the bases poorly and have a crummy bullpen. Tonight Kapler has to stay with a clearly gassed Nola.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 28, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
Or should have.......


NATS hangin in
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 28, 2018, 10:26:52 PM
I still think they'll find a way into the post-season. I'm a fool.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2018, 10:48:18 PM
I'm not sure you can win uglier than that.

but

AWINZAWIN
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 12:03:46 AM
I'm not sure you can win uglier than that.

but

AWINZAWIN

That was pretty ugly.

Kimbrell needs something. I don't know what - it isn't time off. Is he injured?

I thought they jerked the leash on BJ early - but nobody saw Matt's implosion coming.

But a win. breathes
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 09:31:17 AM
Nola is brilliant. He throws any pitch in any count in any situation. Remarkable.

He's the Cy Young.

That said, the Phillies aren't ready yet. They play terrible defense, run the bases poorly and have a crummy bullpen. Tonight Kapler has to stay with a clearly gassed Nola.

The bullpen is better than you think, but the defense has been bad all year. Young team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 06:50:09 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

https://deadspin.com/j-d-martinez-follows-in-the-footsteps-of-red-sox-great-1828687096/amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s (https://deadspin.com/j-d-martinez-follows-in-the-footsteps-of-red-sox-great-1828687096/amp#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s)

Trump must love these guys.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:36:19 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 07:41:31 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

Now you're defending bigotry?

Youre lost!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 07:52:10 PM
Troll

Your hypocrisy is extraordinary.

let's not forget one of your favorite rhetorical plays here, is to post Nazi-themed pictures in a pathetic attempt to salvage a debate you had hopelessly lost.


I'm not defending anything other than JD Martinez's right to own firearms and a right to free speech and the right to be an idiot.

I have no idea where you stand on those issues, but from your content you clearly hold firm to the latter, as your idiocy is in full bloom.


and i know you are not much of a baseball fan, and as you've demonstrated, you are an idiot, but in 2013 when Martinez posted the photo he was a Houston Astro.

You're truly an obsessed moron.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 07:52:59 PM
obsssesion has taken hold of the clueless troll.

"taken?"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 07:54:04 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 08:12:53 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 08:14:58 PM

http://amp.tmz.com/2018/08/28/luis-gonzalez-john-mccain (http://amp.tmz.com/2018/08/28/luis-gonzalez-john-mccain)

What? Not Derek Jeter?

Oh, yeah. Jeter lost to this dude.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2018, 09:17:43 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
that was a helluva 7th inning

may be close to a BP-proof game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2018, 10:01:55 PM
LOL

Tendi has to buy a case

Makes 3 outs in one inning
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
No one has ever made 3 outs in 3 ABs same inning.

So 10D's 7th inning may be pretty rare.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
14 run ofense and a win and my 3 guys get 1 hit in 8 abs (1 run, 1 rib) and allow 3 runs over 3 frames - instead of some knocks and a W

oy.......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2018, 07:40:50 AM
As you said, Mr. Utley, Roman Quinn can fly.

https://www.mlb.com/video/statcast-quinns-quick-triple/c-2443749883 (https://www.mlb.com/video/statcast-quinns-quick-triple/c-2443749883)

Fly, Roman, fly!

Not many hit the ball to left center in that park and get a triple.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2018, 08:02:44 AM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.

Fenway, a "Whites Only" park, is not only hitter friendly, with J.D. Martinez on the team, it's Hitler Friendly!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 09:24:12 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Happy 100th Ted

nice article by Shaughnessy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 12:36:39 PM
Willie and Hank say hello


Best player - MAYS

Best hitter - AARON
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 12:50:35 PM
They should say hello, Willie would say "Hey", to the greatest hitter in the game on the anniversary 100th birthday

Agree on Mays

Disagree on Aaron

IMO Williams and Ruth were the best hitters

then maybe Gehrig, Bonds* Foxx, Aaron
 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2018, 04:48:23 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Ty Cobb.
Or Pete Rose, who faced much tougher pitching than your guy
As for Teddy No Ring, have draft beer. That way you get a head in it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
The head's no problem, its on ice.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24511476/happy-birthday-ted-williams-our-nine-favorite-stats-no-9 (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/24511476/happy-birthday-ted-williams-our-nine-favorite-stats-no-9)


Some perspective

Using Williams' averages from his 17 non-military seasons, we can estimate his final career numbers had he not missed any time while in the service during World War II and the Korean War. The figures in parentheses indicate where they'd rank on the all-time list

1. Using Williams' averages from his 17 non-military seasons, we can estimate his final career numbers had he not missed any time while in the service during World War II and the Korean War. The figures in parentheses indicate where they'd rank on the all-time list.

2,332 RBIs (1st)
2,588 walks (1st)
6,020 times on base (1st)
6,202 total bases (2nd)
1,418 extra-base hits (3rd)
656 home runs (6th)
3,381 hits (9th)

2. Williams owns the record for career on-base percentage at .482. No active player has posted an OBP that high in any season. Joey Votto, the active leader in OBP (.428), could reach base successfully in each of his next 650 plate appearances and still not reach Williams' mark.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 05:23:15 PM
Bonds - as a Giant - vs tougher pitching - .477
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 05:55:43 PM

Bonds - as a Giant - vs tougher pitching - .477
*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2018, 06:01:18 PM
Estimated stat = alternative fact.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2018, 06:05:02 PM
Where's Teddy?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_career.shtml)

Seriously, if someone offered you Henry Aaron or Ted Williams, who would you take?

To me, no brainer...Hello, Hank!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 06:20:40 PM
The discussion was best hitter.

So Ted and Ruth can be found atop the slugging and OPS leaders.

Singles are cute, but...


estimates are estimates and were so labeled.

But they are eminently reasonable.

And alternative fact, would be declaring so and so faced better pitching.

There was no evidence to support that, in fact I can think of several reasons to believe the reverse could be true.

If someone offered me Williams or Aaron's to hit the ball, or reach base safely, I'd choose Williams, as all the evidence supports the premise he was a superior hitter.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2018, 09:26:27 PM
Ortiz linked to gambling.
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/david-ortiz-denies-book-claims-linking-gambler-betting-red-sox-004550539.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/david-ortiz-denies-book-claims-linking-gambler-betting-red-sox-004550539.html)

Aaron the better hitter and ballplayer. Everyone knows that. Everyone with a real sense of baseball history.

There is s reason Williams played in the Junior Circuit.

But back to Ortiz. He's very good at denial. First steroids, now the gambling.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 09:31:27 PM
Oh-fer Tendeeee

Oh-oh-for-tennnnnnn-deeeeeeee.

heh- killin me
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 10:25:15 PM
Holy Blowin Betances!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 30, 2018, 10:31:32 PM
The franchise for fascists and bigots:

Yeah, one player posts pro-gun rights and you conclude "franchise for fascists and bigots."

Makes sooooooo much sense.

Not.

Schilling, Yaekey, Martinez, etc ..

Congratulations. You named one reactionary (I don't know enough to claim he is a fascist, but he may be), one bigot, out and out, and one pro-gun person who was misinformed about the Hitler quote and policies.

And one "etc" without any substance to it.

I could make the same claim about the Phillies, with Ben Chapman, Jim Bunning, and Mike Schmidt. Mostly, players have the wisdom to not put their politics out in the public eye.

Ben Chapman stained the team while he was with it. Bunning and Schmidt did not.

And, of course, we both shared Jonathan "Obama wants to take our guns" Papelbon.

Your comment was horseshit.

Fenway, a "Whites Only" park, is not only hitter friendly, with J.D. Martinez on the team, it's Hitler Friendly!

You seem not to understand - JD's meme was saying that Hitler said to get rid of guns, therefore we should not.

Dolt.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 30, 2018, 11:10:22 PM
From MLB on Stanton's 300th home run:

The milestone was reached in Stanton's 1,119th career game, making him the fifth fastest to the mark in terms of games played behind Ralph Kiner (1,087), Ryan Howard (1,093), Juan Gonzalez (1,096) and Alex Rodriguez (1,117). Harmon Killebrew was next on the list, at 1,137 games.

At 28 years and 295 days old, Stanton was the ninth-youngest player in Major League history to hit his 300th home run.

He endured a longer wait than Stanton might have anticipated after belting No. 299 on Aug. 18 against the Blue Jays. In the 10 games that followed, Stanton hit just .158 (6-for-38) with 16 strikeouts.

That came to an end as he rounded the bases and returned to the dugout. Loud cheers drew Stanton back up from the dugout, and he raised his batting helmet in his right hand to acknowledge the reception.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 11:22:11 PM
Yanks have landed ANDREW MCCUTCHEON

Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2018, 11:25:12 PM
Going to Giants

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=avelin000abi (https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=avelin000abi)

with at least one other player

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2018, 11:57:01 PM
another bolt of late inning lightening for the visiting Sox.

nice to see Mookie hitting again
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 07:15:43 AM
another bolt of late inning lightening for the visiting Sox.

nice to see Mookie hitting again

My spirits were certainly lightened by their 7th inning exploits, followed by the 9th, but I am pretty sure the word you're after is lightning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 31, 2018, 08:28:14 AM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 08:32:51 AM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 09:36:30 AM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 09:38:33 AM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.

I posted a like thought elsewhere in a mostly y-fan thread, where the prevailing wisdom had been that Judge would be be playing by now

The new take was Gardy sucked and Stanton needed a break and its only a couple of low level prospects

I was going to have some fun and mention the deep depth that Ellsbury gives them, but...

I assume Judge is getting ready for 1 -game, after that who knows?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 12:40:07 PM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
You just root for these things, seemingly.

heh

Pretty good SS Yanks gave up.  Look forward to seeing him succeed Crawford.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 31, 2018, 01:53:54 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD

What's the same every time is your complaining after your assessment has been kicked to the curb once again. Which it was.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 02:20:59 PM
heh

no Aaron's was not a better hitter than Williams and everyone knows that.

Except the troll.

Aaron's was the better all-around ballplayer.

But Aaron as good a hiiter as he was, was not as great as Williams.

when the troll loses an argument he changes the argument.

and from 1939-60 Williams career, the AL, the Junior Circuit, was the superior league to the NL.

it was until the mid 50s early 60s that the pendulum started to swing to the NL.

And everyone with a real sense of baseball history understands that.

Which explains why the troll didn't.



SSDD

Nope. You're wrong.

Aaron better..

The end.

Red?

just another of your weak non-rebuttals to a discussion you were lost in

LOL

And it always ends the same way

SSDD

What's the same every time is your complaining after your assessment has been kicked to the curb once again. Which it was.

What's the same is your gnawing inferiority and obssession with all things Boston.

You can believe and post whatever you like, and kick any post you do not understand to the curb.

But you only look like  clueless obssessed buffoon in the process.

you want to believe that Rose or Aaron were betters hitters than Williams, you are free to.

However almost all relevant stats and all baseball observers with a reasonable amount of knowledge would judge you a fool.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 02:35:16 PM
I assume we've seen the last of Judge this season.
You just root for these things, seemingly.

heh

Pretty good SS Yanks gave up.  Look forward to seeing him succeed Crawford.
Why would I root for this?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 31, 2018, 04:05:52 PM
Look at bankshit chase his own tale.

Dude can't handle defeat.

No Grady Little to blame fir his stupidity.

Ha!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 05:11:35 PM
Look at bankshit chase his own tale.

Dude can't handle defeat.

No Grady Little to blame fir his stupidity.

Ha!

poor troll

his poorly articulated declarations have been repeatedly shown to be without merit, unsupported by facts and display his infantile grasp of the history of the game.

at least his inferiority complex is well founded.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 05:52:52 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

He was a great hitter. He was a great pitcher. Steals are lovely. Fielding is nice. But being a top of the line pitcher in both the regular season and post-season, then becoming a great everyday player? Few people did both positions tolerably well, even back in the day.

Maybe Newcombe or Ferrell could have gotten there in a different universe, but they didn't. Nobody is likely to ever touch the Big Train's best hitting year, but it was an outlier - and just not the same level of power.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 06:17:44 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

Yesterday was the 100th anniversary of Williams birth and I posted he was arguably (along with Ruth) the greatest hitter in the game.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/08/29/ted-williams-would-turning-now-but-his-legend-never-gets-old/IspyYOMI7emrzFgnR47oAP/story.html)


to the arguably greatest hitter who ever lived

Happy 100th Ted

nice article by Shaughnessy

They should say hello, Willie would say "Hey", to the greatest hitter in the game on the anniversary 100th birthday

Agree on Mays

Disagree on Aaron

IMO Williams and Ruth were the best hitters

then maybe Gehrig, Bonds* Foxx, Aaron

And then Utley decided to dumb things down so he could participate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 09:29:56 PM
How hard is it raining?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2018, 09:37:05 PM
Yeah, we did pay for Sale.  Hope we get a title out of it

https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1035695202789453824 (https://twitter.com/PitchingNinja/status/1035695202789453824)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:28:57 PM
How hard is it raining?

hard enough-

another 45+ minutes of rain
resumes around 11:30?

Ys CFBwin on controversial 8th inning rally

Donaldson traded to Tribe
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 31, 2018, 10:34:21 PM
I'm in Chicago. Rain is stopping
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2018, 10:40:24 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:42:21 PM
yank

Nice.

Long family week-end?

My internet "sources" are saying its still raining and Sox2 might resume 11:30-midnight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 10:47:38 PM
Greatest player was Ruth and I don't understand why it is even a discussion.

Ruth would have been a Hall of Fame pitcher, had he not been shifted away from the mound. 17th in career ERA. Top 10 for wins before age 25.

Ruth was not the focus of the discussion.

But I generally agree with your post.

I wasn't wasting my breath arguing with Utley. He knows better, but it doesn't matter - he came here for an argument. Or just a contradiction of anything you say (almost). Or abuse.

I was belatedly disagreeing with Mays, which both of you (whomever the other one was).

Ruth was a freak and not easily comped. But he and Williams comp as hitters.

IMO Mays may have been the greatest traditional 5-tool positional player.

Utley-- he enjoys the attention, abuse and losing arguments
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 31, 2018, 10:54:56 PM
Chi-Phi great game. The way baseball was meant to be.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 31, 2018, 10:56:42 PM
Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2018, 11:08:50 PM
Walter Johnson and Lefty Grove chuckle at the troll's ignorance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 12:32:43 AM
Ruth never had to hit Koufax or Gibson or Drysdale. Aaron.

You lose again.

Such a bullshit argument. Hard to believe you are even bothering.

Aaron never had to pitch to anybody. He didn't have to pitch to players in Ruth's day. He didn't have to pitch to players in his own day.

Aaron's highest slugging average, as has already been pointed out to you, is lower than Ruth's career slugging average. And before you tell me about those pitchers that Aaron had to face, Aaron was only the highest in his own time in four years.

Mantle outslugged him over their careers.
Mays outslugged him over their careers.
Musial outslugged him over their careers.

Taking Aaron's best years from 1955 through 1973:
Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   
1955-1973   .312   .380   .574   .955

Mantle:

Year           BA   OBP   SLG   OPS
1952-1966   .307   .428   .580   1.008   

There is no 6 or longer year period in which Aaron matches those numbers and even the two 5 year periods only match them in one of the four categories.

Mays led the league in SLG and OBA more often than Aaron did. So did Musial. (Aaron never led the league in OBA. Mays did twice. Musial did six times.

Musial hit over .350 five times. Aaron once.

Aaron? Feh.

Aaron wasn't as good against the folks he faced as his own peers. And he never pitched.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on September 01, 2018, 08:02:26 AM
Mays was the best 5 tool and also a defensive beast. His numbers are somewhat hurt playing in Candlestick. But he checked all the boxes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 09:56:33 AM
poor troll

He loses an argument in every way possible and fully exposes not only his inferiority complex (well-earned) and his obssession with Boston, but his deep ignorance about the game, its history, the stats, everything.

Yet despite his thrashing he comes back for more.

the troll is scrappy.

As posted before the troll decided to dumb down this discussion, I think Aaron was a great player, among the greatest, but he's not really in the debate for the greatest hitter.

That debate has generally been reserved for Ruth or Williams.

I think a case can be made for either, and there are additional extenuating arguments that have to be made for both, though I tilt slightly for Ruth.

"As to the best hitters hit", yes, and thats why OPS, as already pointed out to the troll, is the best indicator, as it combines the several elements  critical to a hitters success, show patience, a good eye, an ability to hit, and get on base and ultimately score.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/onbase_plus_slugging_career.shtml)

it captures the real goal of a hitter to put your team in the best position to score runs.

the troll does not understand this about a game so driven by stats.


Interestingly enough, on this leaders list, "Most Outs Made", neither Ruth nor Williams are on it, but lots of very good and some greats are on it.

Rose and Aaron then Yaz top it.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/outs_made_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/outs_made_career.shtml)

but you have to play a long time to fail so often.

The troll in that regard is the exception to the rule, he fails all the time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 10:10:42 AM
As we say goodbye and God bless you to Sen McCain, an American hero, here's a story about McCain and Ted Williams, a fellow Marine, fighter pilot and veteran.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-30/john-mccain-loved-to-tell-this-ted-williams-story (https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-30/john-mccain-loved-to-tell-this-ted-williams-story)

My favorite McCain story involved a tale he once told me about Ted Williams of the Boston Red Sox.

We were flying back to Washington on a small plane on May 20, 2002, from a commencement address he’d given at Wake Forest University in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. We hit some scary turbulence.

McCain saw the panicked look on my face and asked what was wrong. I confessed to being a nervous flier.

“I’ve crashed four of these,” he cracked. It didn’t put me at ease.

Then the celebrated former naval aviator, who acquired a reputation as a daredevil years before he was shot down over North Vietnam in 1967 and then spent five and a half years as a prisoner of war, recalled that whenever jet jockeys got together they would share old war stories.

The best one was about Ted Williams.

Williams, a Marine aviator during World War II, was called back into military service during the Korean War at the peak of his baseball career. He usually flew in formation with John Glenn, the future astronaut and senator. On one of his initial solo flights, Williams’s plane caught fire. He approached the airbase and crash landed, then jumped out just before the plane exploded.

For years, McCain had heard this story and wanted to ask Williams why he didn’t parachute out of the burning plane. When he finally met the baseball great, Williams explained that he was then 34 years old and figured that if he bailed out, he might break his knees and never play baseball again.

On that bumpy flight from North Carolina all those years later, McCain gleefully remembered Williams’s typically foul-mouthed answer:

“So I said, screw it, let's bring it in.” (Except that he didn’t exactly say “screw it.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 10:19:03 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 10:29:15 AM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:18:55 AM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 12:40:23 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 12:42:15 PM
200 hit seasons.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 04:27:30 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

How bout that Darin Erstad getting in there....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 05:08:08 PM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.

An irrelevant argument for Ruth.

An erroneous argument for Williams. Spin it any way you want to. If Aaron had been the Boston player and Williams played elsewhere, you would be defending Williams, pointing out that he went to war, twice, slugged and hit better, etc. Whatever, Utley.

A waste of perfectly good used electrons.

But you're only slightly more likely than Red to admit being wrong. (Or should I call him E in here?)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 05:19:32 PM
Aaron at Fenway - wow - imagine that.

Reviewing a  few real good ones today - from Rose to Ichiro to Gwynn.  Tony was truly amazing.  And no telling if Ichiro had started in the States.......

Pete's more in my memory as a scrapper - a guy who loved and respected the game - a winner.  Gwynn really stands out.  Strangely Clemente is revered more than Tony.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 05:28:08 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".

Since when was Hank Aaron a singled hitter?

LOL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 05:31:25 PM
Figures the Boston Cartel would work this hard to defend the Whites Only Era of baseball.

Aaron. Better hitter than Williams. Played in tougher league, tougher era. Third in all-time hits, Williams 77th. First in all-time Homers presteroid and body armor era.

The best hitters hit. Aaron had the most hits of anyone you've mentioned

You lose, again.

An irrelevant argument for Ruth.

An erroneous argument for Williams. Spin it any way you want to. If Aaron had been the Boston player and Williams played elsewhere, you would be defending Williams, pointing out that he went to war, twice, slugged and hit better, etc. Whatever, Utley.

A waste of perfectly good used electrons.

But you're only slightly more likely than Red to admit being wrong. (Or should I call him E in here?)

Aaron couldn't play at Fenway. He wasn't white. They barely let Jim Rice play there.

Ruth v. Black ballplayers. Never happened.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 05:46:09 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/H_season.shtml)

and the troll unintentionally proves the obvious point, as he knows little of the game.

Singles hitters are just not in the conversation for "greatest hitters".

Since when was Hank Aaron a singled hitter?

LOL

Moron are you aware of what you posted?

The majority of the single-season hit leaders were singles/doubles guys.

Of the 24 leaders hi-lighted (the photos) of the top 24 season for hits, focusing just on the modern era guys

Ichiro (3X)
Boggs
Erstad
Carew
Mattingly

Two will not make the Hall of Fame, and you use this list as the basis for the greatest hitters in the game.

ROTFL

No one would confuse any of those guys as candidates for the game's greatest hitters.

Except you, as you're a clueless idiot.

As posted several times for the greatest hitters you might want to refer to the leaders on the slugging and OPS pages.

or you can muck around in your feces.

SSDD

And FTR, moron, Aaron shows up #71 on your cherry-picked example.

your cluelessness knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 06:24:38 PM
Williams doesn't show up at all on that list.

And for total hits career? Aaron is third. Williams???

Well, well out of the running.

Because truly great hitters like Aaron hit for power, and they have 200+ hit seasons.

In other words, to be a great hitters...get hits.

Back to your barstool, you've lost another.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 06:28:59 PM
Aaron was all class and made his teammates better.

Aaron played with death threats, and the crowd might spit in him or throw things at him.

Williams played for himself, and spit on the crowd.

No. That dude was fucked up.

Of course, I'm not the only one who thinks so.

https://youtu.be/VCJAmG7NZ_4 (https://youtu.be/VCJAmG7NZ_4)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:43:03 PM
Williams doesn't show up at all on that list.

And for total hits career? Aaron is third. Williams???

Well, well out of the running.

Because truly great hitters like Aaron hit for power, and they have 200+ hit seasons.

In other words, to be a great hitters...get hits.

Back to your barstool, you've lost another.

So you find the #71st ranked guy (Aaron) on a list and you think this is an endorsement of your cherry-picked list?

You're an idiot.

Williams is not on the list because he received a lot of walks, got on base a lot, and had the highest on-base & than amyone in MLB history.

He did not make the outs that other hitters made.

Hitters like Rose and Aaron who made more outs than any other players in MLB history.

Williams got on-base instead.

When he did hit, he hit for average and power, (and at superior average than Aaron)

Again one only has only to look at an appropriate universe of data, like slugging % or OPS. .

But I understand you are fully invested in your own stupidity and cluelessness to go outside your towering boundaries of dumb.

You're lack of basic understanding of the game is almost surprising.

Back to the gutter troll, to wallow in your most recent humilating spanking.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 06:49:52 PM
You're still losing.

You won't win.

And the beatings will continue.

Great hitters get hits.

He's woefully lacking in that department.

High average usually means fewer at bats, is all.

Aaron didn't have power?

LMFAO!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:53:13 PM
Troll you were TKOed yesterday

you are now punch-drunk and close to brain-dead and babbling idiocy

back to the gutter troll.

You got owned again
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 06:53:35 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 06:58:23 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 01, 2018, 07:02:45 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2018, 07:04:28 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.

A lot of people eat at McDonald's. Doesn't mean it's good food.

And Mays was better than Williams, too.

And neither Willie or Henry could hide being black, but the Spoiled Splinter HUD being brown.

Beatings will continue.

See ya, loser!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 07:21:13 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.

I think the math and implications escape the troll.

He's not very bright.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 07:30:26 PM
Yet surprisingly for all the reasons given, most observers rank Ruth and Williams #1/2 when ranking the greatest hitters in the game.

So back to the gutter troll, and own your latest humiliation.

A lot of people eat at McDonald's. Doesn't mean it's good food.

And Mays was better than Williams, too.

And neither Willie or Henry could hide being black, but the Spoiled Splinter HUD being brown.

Beatings will continue.

See ya, loser!

Troll

It was settled before you dumbed down this discussion that both Mays and Aaron were better ballplayers than Williams.

However, Williams by general consensus, and most metrics, was either the best or 2nd greatest hitter in the game.

I sort of understand your need to change the arguments you've hopelessly bungled and lost for the past 2 days. You feel humiliated again and you want to save face, however yours is not worth saving.

Besides its dishonest.

Enjoy your Happy Meal

and try not to lose the toy in the gutter
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 08:19:38 PM
TA----NAKA-----SANNNNN!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 08:58:14 PM
200 hit seasons.

No doubt about it, Utley, Aaron had three 200 hit games to none for Williams.

In Williams' 194 hit season, he was walked 162 times! BA .343 OBA .490 SLG .650
In Aaron's 223 hit season, he was walked 51 times. BA .355   OBA .401 SLG .636

In Williams' 193 hit season, he was walked a mere 96 times - more than Aaron was walked in any season of his career.
BA .344   OBA .442   SLG .594
In Aaron's 201 hit season, he was walked a 78 times - in 161 games.
BA .319   OBA .391   SLG .586

In Williams' 188 hit season, he was walked 126 times. BA 369  OBA .497   SLG .615
In Aaron's 200 hit season, he was walked 37 times. BA .328   OBA .365   SLG .558

13 times, Williams had more walks in a season than Aaron's most. But... Aaron had five seasons in which he struck out more than Williams' worst year.

Aaron got pitched to far more than Williams - he got more hits, while getting on less much less often and slugging less. I suspect that had Williams been pitched to as often as Aaron was, he'd have had as many or more 200 hit games, without worrying about missed seasons due to war. (Not WAR!)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 09:00:40 PM
Hank Aaron had 1100 MORE HITS than the Spoiled Splinter.

Great hitters do that.

Beatings will continue, until your brain hurts.
In 4500 more abs.

Oh, look. Another member of the vaunted "Boston mafia."

Utley's so screwy about these arguments.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2018, 09:14:11 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.

No, he's right - Ted hit far better at home than away:
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .361   .496   .652   1.148   
Away   .328   .467   .615   1.082       

Aaron was about the same home and away, overall (and not bothering to compare Milwaukee vs. Atlanta)
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .303   .379   .557   .936      
Away   .306   .369   .552   .921      

But Ted Williams' weaker performance still blows Aaron's performances away. Or home.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2018, 09:59:30 PM
Another 0-8 for SuckTendi and Bogaerts

oy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:12:12 PM
This alleged "greatest hitter", not on this list.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/https://youtu.be/VU7texRnXjkH_season.shtml)


Yet he played 19 seasons in a band box.

Sad.

I guess living in a myth-making metropolis made him seem like he could hit.

HEH

page not found (404 Error).

So typical of the troll.

As is his continued misunderstanding that William's, a classic pull hitter, and subject to the first shift (Boudreau) against his pull-power, played half his games in the ballpark with a one of the biggest right-fields and did not play to his stubborn strengths.

In fact, in a well known story, in 1947, Tom Yawkey and Yankee owner Dan Topping, met at Toots Shor's and over several cocktails agreed to trade Williams for Joe D, with the thought of the reunting the Dimaggio brothers in Boston with Joe attacking the Monster while Williams would take advantage of Yankee Stadium's short-porch in right and resume where Ruth had left off.

Sober heads and presumably coffee prevailed the following morning, and the trade never happened.

And the real band box is in Philly, but its not lyric, as there is no music nor charm, its just a small ballpark, built for small-minded dolts.

No, he's right - Ted hit far better at home than away:
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .361   .496   .652   1.148   
Away   .328   .467   .615   1.082       

Aaron was about the same home and away, overall (and not bothering to compare Milwaukee vs. Atlanta)
      
I   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS      
Home   .303   .379   .557   .936      
Away   .306   .369   .552   .921      

But Ted Williams' weaker performance still blows Aaron's performances away. Or home.

The only thing that the troll got right in his post was repeating Updike's reference to Fenway as a bandbox.

However, from a link that did not work, to evetually providing a link that was meaningless, to misunderstanding the nature of Williams as a pull hitter hitting into Fenway's expansive right field pasture, the contstruct of a bandbox really doesn't work. The cut and paste troll has surface knowledge at best. He's a parrot parotting, with no real understanding, just a lyric little squawk.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2018, 11:14:55 PM
Nice return tonight by EdRo.

If he can stay healthy and pitch like that, the rotation, while left-heavy, gets a nice boost.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 02, 2018, 02:32:51 PM
Lester vs. Nola - should be a great game!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 02, 2018, 06:29:06 PM
Loving these new Mets

Syndergaard goes nine.

Good team next year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2018, 08:12:38 PM
Brian Johnson and RSox had nothing today.

interesting week coming up 3 v Braves

then home for 3 v Astros

Happy Labor Day folks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 10:00:07 AM
Ys also have an interesting week+ w/3 @ Oakland, 3 @ Seattle and 3@ Minny.

could add some clarity for post-season play a few teams
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 11:00:55 AM
5-4.  No worries.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 11:02:33 AM
Found some old cash in a betting account and started running it up.  What a country!

Thanks, Mr Matz and Mr Lester - as well as Arsenal.

I wont bore you all with further detail.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2018, 05:08:38 PM
20k down to 10  then up to 40

a 4-bagger

heh

well it took 8 pitchers and almost 200 pitches in a 2-run game

and the bats got hot and RISPY at the right time


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 05:36:37 PM
Hero Harper up to .246 (31-87)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2018, 08:20:30 PM
https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1036769347887423496 (https://twitter.com/PeteAbe/status/1036769347887423496)

Give me Phillips vs lefties in place of AB.  Kinsler to DH.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2018, 10:52:10 PM
Sox keep rollin'

nothing flashy good night for Pearce and Porcello and pen

just played some good hard-ball.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 04, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
Sox keep rollin'

nothing flashy good night for Pearce and Porcello and pen

just played some good hard-ball.

It's very nice to see Steven Wright back on the mound, these two games.

I look forward to seeing what Kiid's hero, Brandon Phillips, has in the tank.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
Day game after a night game sounds like a good game to sit some regulars so he'll probably play tomorrow.

And as the division seems like a good bet, he may see a few chances to get minutes over the next couple of weeks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 03:47:27 PM
strange yet compelling game in Atlanta

Sox down 7-1
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 05, 2018, 04:00:13 PM
 Jeez that's got to be their most ridiculous win ever. The Nats are going to run down the Braves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 04:01:38 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Red Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 04:03:19 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Rd Sox

That was a stunning game in so many ways.

Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 04:12:24 PM
in a year of strange and compelling games that one might be the game of the year

and today Brandon Phillip's became a Rd Sox

That was a stunning game in so many ways.

Wow.

wow is right

I came in at 7-1

saw the improbable pinch-hitter driven 8th inning comeback

then the nut-punch go ahead Freeman dinger in the bottom of the 8th

and then the Phillips blast in the 9th

Acuna in left never budged, Phillips killed that ball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 04:15:23 PM
Beni had a nice game - tip of the cap.

Sox front office with strong showing today (Cora hire - ----> handling of Phillips)

Best takeaway was the SIGH OF RELIEF from Braves radio guys (and later heard the TV call as well on Freeman homer) after Betts did not deliver go ahead RBI in 8th and Freddie put them ahead with the dinger.  They were super comfy til Dat Dude wrecked it.

Acuna didnt move.  Pitchers hate that.  Nice job, rook.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 05, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
Wow. Look who's number two: http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html (http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html)

And guess who's not on the list?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 06:58:27 PM
Today's quiz

Name 5 MLB players that lead their respective 2018 teams in HR, RBI and batting average
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 07:02:27 PM
Add WAR to the list of baseball metrics the troll knows little about.

You really should try to read and understand the articles you post.


Williams rated as the 2nd greatest hitter on that list, is "overated" because his actual WAR of 126 (right behind Aaron at 132) was adjusted for the almost 5 years he missed, adding some 38 WAR points and 38/126 was the 2nd largest %  increase.

If you bothered to take a look at the stats and Williams WAR #s in 1942 and 1946, they averaged over 10WAR evey year. A reasonable adjustment for a young Williams coming into his prime for those 3 years (1943-45) would be in excess of 31. Then there is the Korean war years which would add roughly another 12 WAR.

Adding those reasonable WAR estimates place Williams as #1 WAR offensive player.

Aaron needed no adjustment for lost war time in his 25 years.

That's why he's not on the list, you moron.

You are so fucking dumb.

Williams OBP (#1 alltime) and OPS (#2) ranking, and .344 life time BA do not reflect adjustments, but what he did in his 17 non-military service years. .

But its good to know that Williams, Gehrig, Joe Dimaggio, Jimmie Foxx, Shoeless Joe and Ernie Banks are all overated because of some adjustment  that was never made to their (sorry Shoeless) Hall of Fame careers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 05, 2018, 07:36:21 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 07:38:31 PM
Wow. Look who's number two: http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html (http://highheatstats.blogspot.com/2012/01/50-most-overrated-batters-in-baseball.html)

And guess who's not on the list?

Quite entertaining.

He rejects the extension of the ELO rating because Ted's from Boston and therefore highly popular?!

Then he grants that the WAR's being increased for comparison purposes is appropriate because of the war non-WAR years.

Williams' WAR/PA is about 20% higher than Aaron's (though the person who compiled his list of those missed the boat).

Let me know when you find a scientific examination of the ELO ratings rather than an off-the-cuff social analysis. Meanwhile, keep trying to make Hammerin' Hank into something he never was.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 07:41:00 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.

I knew Jack Nicholson.

Jack Nicholson was a friend of mine.

You, sir, are no Jack Nicholson.

With apology to Lloyd's of Austin.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
You lost again. Sorry you can't handle the truth.

Troll

You lost this discussion a week ago and have only compounded your injuries with recent futile efforts.

You should probably lick your wounds and call it a day.

and read the article you posted, it doesn't say what you hoped it did. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 05, 2018, 09:26:04 PM
The beatings will continue...

Of course, in 15 or so years, you have yet to understand the game.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 09:54:28 PM
https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check/braves-are-pretty-good-just-not-red-sox-good-and-that-expected/W6f3pmfrQhp6g86oBGWYyL/ (https://www.ajc.com/blog/mike-check/braves-are-pretty-good-just-not-red-sox-good-and-that-expected/W6f3pmfrQhp6g86oBGWYyL/)

"The Braves are good, but not Red Sox good - and that is to be expected."

Atlanta writer discussing the payroll gape.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 09:58:51 PM
The beatings will continue...

Of course, in 15 or so years, you have yet to understand the game.

Heh

Troll

You've once again been shown to come up empty in a discussion which was settled a week ago.

you are 0-for-a week, and have a .000 BA.  an .000 OBP, and .000 slugging % and .000 OPS.

you have struck out at every attempt.

You've changed your responses from Rose to Cobb to Aaron

you're getting warmer, but you're still wrong and are way out of your league

and i suspect you may know you're wrong, as you change answers and change the arguments, but your poor self-esteem can't deal with that.

tough luck troll, you got your ass kicked again

So while I kick your ass, feel free to comtinue to beat your pin-head against the wall, as that is the only beating you seem capable to administer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 05, 2018, 10:21:57 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 10:34:59 PM
the troll seems fixated on the topic.

I'm just exposing the fallacies of his every changing arguments.

He doesn't take losing arguments very well.





Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2018, 11:13:55 PM
Severino got off to a rocky start against the A's tonight, though he looked much better in the 2nd inning.

One wonders if this will be another CFBW for the Yanks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2018, 11:51:43 PM
Its 7-0 in the 5th, and if the Ys CFBW it, they will steal win of the day from the Sox.

I'll have to be surprised by the score in the AM.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 12:05:57 AM
Its 7-0 in the 5th, and if the Ys CFBW it, they will steal win of the day from the Sox.

I'll have to be surprised by the score in the AM.

Goodnight.

I would not bet on being surprised.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 06, 2018, 09:23:05 AM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 06, 2018, 05:13:05 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.



Still winning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 07:06:46 PM
You have a NEED to post this?

Sick.

He doesn't understand he's already lost the game.

In fact, he doesn't understand the game.

It's probably true.

He's trying to traffic in facts and reason.

You're just stirring the pot to get a reaction.

Different games. But since he doesn't care about losing yours and you don't care about losing his, it makes the interchange even stupider.



Still winning.

I gather you have learned that it is far easier to win when you play with yourself instead of with others.

Knock yourself out, Utley.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 10:12:07 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/orioles-will-wear-braille-uniforms-on-sept-18/c-293612296 (https://www.mlb.com/news/orioles-will-wear-braille-uniforms-on-sept-18/c-293612296)

(https://securea.mlb.com/assets/images/8/8/2/293612882/cuts/960x540/cut.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2018, 10:13:07 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 07, 2018, 02:44:07 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.



Wow.

I think you should delete this.  Please.

Okay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 07, 2018, 02:55:13 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 07, 2018, 03:12:46 PM


same old lame tricks, Utley.

Sometimes I wonder why I ever worried about you when I thought you were suicidal.

Asshold.

Locus of control in action.

Wow.

I think you should delete this.  Please.

Okay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 07, 2018, 09:42:16 PM
 Fucking Cora

Great time to have tryouts.

Owes Price an apology.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2018, 10:53:11 PM
Dombrowski's aching Achille's heal acted up again.

those last 3 innings are gonna be tricky in October
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2018, 08:09:22 PM
turned on the game in the 8th at 5-2

almost a nice comeback in the 9th

a month ago JD doesn't miss those wannabe walk-off pitches

so close

right now Astros are better
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
test
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2018, 10:05:09 PM
Niiiiiiice play, Tendi

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 12:17:20 AM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.

A little heart-pounding.

While not the weekend series I might have hoped for, effective overall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 10, 2018, 09:08:52 AM
Not sure I liked the call on the play at the plate.

Yeah...AL playoffs will be awesome this year, whether we see A's or Yanks joining Astros and Indians.

Had my +250 bet on HOU from preseason so I will stay with that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 09:26:13 AM
that was a pretty good game in a pretty decent series that felt like play-off ball.

A little heart-pounding.

While not the weekend series I might have hoped for, effective overall.

A little heat-pounding at the right times is ok.

I would have liked to see the Sox win 2 of 3, but all 3 of those games were in play to the end.

It was good stuff.

The takeaway though was slight edge Astros, and mostly because the bullpen.

I hope they're the ALCS match-up
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 10, 2018, 09:30:24 AM
I'm pretty sure I had a Astros-Nats or Cubs WS, with Astros repeating.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 10, 2018, 12:29:53 PM
Not sure I liked the call on the play at the plate.

Yeah...AL playoffs will be awesome this year, whether we see A's or Yanks joining Astros and Indians.

Had my +250 bet on HOU from preseason so I will stay with that.

Probably a matter of knowing how to act.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 10, 2018, 06:37:04 PM
Phadin' Phil's...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2018, 10:33:13 PM
Sox with some late inning lightning notch win #99

last time Sox won 99 games was in '78.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 04:03:25 AM
Sox with some late inning lightning notch win #99

last time Sox won 99 games was in '78.

Yankees followed that with a loss. '78 is getting further out of the thoughts of even the most paranoid RS fans.

Not over, yet, but it doesn't feel the same.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:20:49 AM
agreed it doesn't feel like '78

just brought uo '78 for the high-water 99 wins in my (as far as I know all here) life-time.

ftr was lucky enough to see the '78 99th in person, probably the most electrifying game I ever saw


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 11:29:59 AM
Feels like '75

7-8 game lead all through August.  Got down to 5 by 8/10 and as low as 3.5, closest Orioles got

Of course at that time there wasnt the cushion of making the WC.  And we had to beat just the one team (A's) - not 2 (likely Yanks and Astros) to get to the Series.

Eddie Armbrister.  OUCH.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
or to date, maybe like '07, got out of the gate fast, and held the lead to the finish.

stress level so far has been low

bigger ouch in '75 came from Vern Ruhle

and screw Larry Barnett
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2018, 03:52:31 PM
Mr. Utley informed me couple of weeks back that the Phillies bullpen is "better than you think."  I admit he might be right because I think the Phillies bullpen is among the worst I've ever seen.  They couldn't possibly be that terrible and thus they're likely "better "than I think. Nobody there throws a first-pitch strike.  Just dreadful. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 09:19:05 PM
Fuck

You

Cora!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2018, 09:33:24 PM
Never mind.


You suck, Tendi!


- That's better
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2018, 09:47:25 PM
Sometimes I think your Kid moniker has nothing to do with Gary Carter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:02:06 PM
its funny considering I've watched this game for over 60 years that from time to time I still see something I've never seen before.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 10:05:24 PM
its funny considering I've watched this game for over 60 years that from time to time I still see something I've never seen before.

What did I miss? I had work between when they scored their run and the last two pitches of the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:17:23 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 12, 2018, 10:30:14 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.

I was a younger man.

Now I'm not.

The 100th win?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2018, 10:36:09 PM
Perhaps you had seen it before. I thought you were a younger man.

I was a younger man.

Now I'm not.

The 100th win?

Yup.

My kid just texted me with a "Woohoo!"

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 13, 2018, 04:42:17 PM
Congrats to the Red Sox on a great season. That World Championship is becoming the norm at Fenway, isn't it?

Wait.

The season's not over?

No playoff games have been played?

Okay.

Well congrats for making the playoffs, despite the weak division, of course.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 13, 2018, 04:46:09 PM
Kapler Gene Mauched his pen.

Plus, the hitting coach will be fired (Steinbrenner solution #3), which is where the issues have been for the last month and a half.

Encouraging season for the Utes. Now, with a $69million payroll, entering next season, sign Machado and Harper, and trade for another starter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2018, 05:59:57 PM
I think the discussion was about winning 100 games in the regular season.

I'm pretty sure there wasn't any talk of post-season victories.

Little premature.

although a few weeks ago there was some chatter about some parallels to the '78 season.

I think it was based more on hoped for future schadefreude. But that's just speculation. 

Since only the Phillies have fallen out of the post-season race,

As to the weak AL East, as is more often the case than not there are 3 pretty good teams in the division, one eh team in Canada and the Orioles who are having a miserable season.

So far the Sox are playing .721 ball in the division, but just .636 vs the AL West and only .600 vs the AL Central.

Of course that relative weakness is offset by the .824 (14-3) they have achieved vs the NL East. 

But the season's not over yet as they still have 3 against the Mets.

   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 13, 2018, 06:03:08 PM
Speaking of the Mets, David Wright to call it quits, after one last cameo appearance to say goodbye.

He seemed like a good guy and destined for a potential HoF career.

I hope someone grooves one for him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 12:00:44 AM
Sox 55 games over for first time in 106 years.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:07:40 AM
Sox 55 games over for first tome in 106 years.

Not true.

They reached 56 games over twice in the 1946 campaign.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:44:57 AM
Congrats to the Red Sox on a great season. That World Championship is becoming the norm at Fenway, isn't it?

Wait.

The season's not over?

No playoff games have been played?

Okay.

Well congrats for making the playoffs, despite the weak division, of course.

Your irrelevant comment about the playoffs has already been responded to.

Duh, after the last two seasons we know very well that the playoffs are their own thing.

100 wins still doesn't happen often.


But your final comment is just jerky. I presume it's your usual chain-yanking. (Sorry, Yank!)

Nonetheless, a couple facts for you:

The Red Sox have won 61.3% of games against teams above .500 this season
They've won 76.1% against teams below .500.

Their rate against above .500 teams is good enough to win 99 games in a full season.

Only 4 teams in the AL have winning records against the teams with winning records. The Yankees have the second highest percentage, with Houston third, and Seattle fourth. Houston's won two more such games, while losing twelve more. Cleveland's got a 42.6% winning percentage against them.

Weak division? Houston's 14-13 against the AL East. Only 3 other external teams had a winning record against the ALE, and only Oakland had a very good record.

Of course, only three teams outside the ALW had winning records against them - but all three were ALE teams. (Only one outside team had a losing record against the ALC!)

The strongest NL record against .500+ teams won about 56%.

Yeah, your need to put down whatever the Red Sox have accomplished is duly noted.

As usual.

And wrongheaded, as is often, but not always, the case.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:04:58 AM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 01:22:56 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2018, 01:34:32 PM
or the most famous example 1954 Indians.

But the premise its "only flags count: is BS.

Most of us are watch and enjoy a sports where our teams rarely win a championship.

but we keep on watching, knowing there is only a modest chance of a champioship.

IMO its the game, skills, real drama, unscripted suspense and the sport.

The flag is a bonus.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 02:32:21 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.

Yesterday, I was listening to a discussion about who remembers what and how 100+ wins is meaningless without a ring vs. 100+ wins is meaningful.

The radio guys asked the caller to name the last winner of 100+ games and he couldn't. They understandably mocked him, since he was insisting it was important.

But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

Without the 116 wins, nobody remembers those Mariners, but even with them, mostly people remember that they lost, but not to whom or how or anything. Yeah, here I expect people might remember it. Or some of us, at least, but likely not all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 02:33:10 PM
or the most famous example 1954 Indians.

But the premise its "only flags count: is BS.

Most of us are watch and enjoy a sports where our teams rarely win a championship.

but we keep on watching, knowing there is only a modest chance of a champioship.

IMO its the game, skills, real drama, unscripted suspense and the sport.

The flag is a bonus.
I will gladly trade last year's win streak for Houston's rings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 14, 2018, 02:35:18 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 14, 2018, 02:37:28 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)
it's a.thin line between stupid and clever.  I had me a brain fart in memory of the late, great Ray Oyler.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 03:21:43 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.

Good point. Oops!

But nobody knows who that was, either, the vast bulk of the time.

The Mariners are more deeply embedded in our memories.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 03:22:33 PM
True enough. Without a World Series title you are the 2p01 Seattle Pilots or the 2017 Cleveland Indians.
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)
it's a.thin line between stupid and clever.  I had me a brain fart in memory of the late, great Ray Oyler.

Hah! Not a bad brain fart as such things go.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 14, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
But he missed his chance to ask them who won the 2001 World Series, beating the 116 game winning Mariners. (Pilots! Hah! Clever.)

The team that won the 2001 World Series didn't beat the 116 game winning Mariners.  The team that lost that World Series did.

Good point. Oops!

But nobody knows who that was, either, the vast bulk of the time.

The Mariners are more deeply embedded in our memories.
Maybe.  But I think that because the Yankees were going for their 4th WS in a row that season (and 5th of 6), I think most baseball fans remember well that it was them that knocked the Mariners off. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 14, 2018, 05:40:03 PM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.

It don't mean a thing, if you don't get that ring!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 06:01:38 PM
Well....

I think what Utley means is

CONGRATS for making 100 wins a thing.

Yawn.

Its flags that count.

It don't mean a thing, if you don't get that ring!

Doo wop, doo wop, doo wop!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 08:00:45 PM
Not the single most captivating performance by a Red Sox team this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 08:58:28 PM
Yeah......missed an easy bet tonight with Mets.

Could be a sweep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 09:38:14 PM
Meanwhile..........

YOU



SUCK



TENDI !!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 10:26:57 PM
Not the single most captivating performance by a Red Sox team this year.

Ugly by the 3rd. Still ugly in the 9th.

Tomorrow is another day!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 14, 2018, 10:45:15 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2018, 10:46:52 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday

Why on earth would I trust you?

And given who the Mets have starting tomorrow? No, thanks.

And... I don't only watch them when they are winning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 08:00:57 AM
I see Mets battering Porcello

But you are right.  Looks like an 8-7 type game - could go either way
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 09:48:37 AM
Sounds like I picked a good game to miss.

and Tendi sucked again?

he's had a tough year.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 15, 2018, 01:16:33 PM
GLS starting early this fall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 02:31:47 PM
GLS starting early this fall.

Oh?

You're blaming Kapler for the Phillies' implosion?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 02:59:02 PM
Sox -260

Mets +210

I passed.

Took a stab at the NO bet on "will a team score in the first?"

Got Cubs -1.5 runs vs Reds, Lester on the bump.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
Jeeze kid, in a game you handicapped as a toss-up -110 game, if you can get +210 seems to me you gotta grab it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 03:16:44 PM
You bet PITCHERS and consider hot/cold offenses and home/away.

Mets are hot - but lose the other 2.  Better spots for my cash.

I do figure Oswalt to be able to navigate the first inning.  Thus a small bet there at even money.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 03:26:08 PM
I understand baseball betting.

and risk management.

If you handicapped the game as Mets -110, which is what you unknowingly did, and can get Mets +210, you should make the bet.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
You bet PITCHERS and consider hot/cold offenses and home/away.

Mets are hot - but lose the other 2.  Better spots for my cash.

I do figure Oswalt to be able to navigate the first inning.  Thus a small bet there at even money.

So much for that figuring!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2018, 04:36:30 PM
3 more walks for Bryce Harper.

Now has 116 BB to go with his 124 hits.

94-33-95-12
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 15, 2018, 06:15:23 PM
GLS starting early this fall.

Oh?

You're blaming Kapler for the Phillies' implosion?

Was there an implosion?

Who knew?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2018, 07:26:46 PM
Mets fans in force at Fenway

they all were away blue colored coordinated

it was nice

as was the bipartisan chanting in the 8th

heh

JBJ got jobbed

but alls well that ends well

good win

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 15, 2018, 10:59:08 PM
Mets fans in force at Fenway

they all were away blue colored coordinated

it was nice

as was the bipartisan chanting in the 8th

heh

JBJ got jobbed

but alls well that ends well

good win

And the Yankees spin continued, too, though they got lucky with the Oakland loss.

Magic number = 4 with 13 to play.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 01:14:48 PM
Frozen computer prevented this before game time, but...

my prediction for today is that the Red Sox score more than 3 runs against DeGrom.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 02:00:29 PM
Bogaerts another off day
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 02:34:08 PM
Mets about to be 12-18 in deGrom starts

Cy Young advocates - sit the f down
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 02:41:19 PM
Bogaerts another off day

JD, too.

Cora explained his plan for doing this last week. With the day off tomorrow, he hopes the extra rest will make them fresher for the post-season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 16, 2018, 03:02:03 PM
We are  basically fielding the Columbus Clippers today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 03:53:18 PM
Frozen computer prevented this before game time, but...

my prediction for today is that the Red Sox score more than 3 runs against DeGrom.

So much for my prognostication!

Sox waited for DeGrom to leave before getting their 4th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 16, 2018, 04:07:56 PM
Trust me - check out til Monday

Like I said, why trust you on that?!

Two out of three. Not quite as good as the overall record vs. the NL, but it will do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 04:26:53 PM
pretty good game

deGrom is good, but I'm not sure if I'd vote him NL CY. 


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 05:38:05 PM
Scherzer is an easy call I think.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 05:55:49 PM
or Nola.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2018, 06:00:20 PM
Nola has cooled off a bit, I think, and if it's about stats I think Scherzer got the edge everywhere (last I checked and I could be way off there). If it's about the incredibly subjective "who's a better pitcher" test I think Scherzer still has the edge.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2018, 06:15:57 PM
Scherzer has been my favorite non-Sox pitcher for the last few years. I really enjoy watching him pitch. But I was posting in response to he would be an "easy" CY choice.

Statistically I think its pretty close between him and Nola.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2018, 09:43:37 PM
Wainwright turning back the clock tonight.  Scintillating breaking pitch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 17, 2018, 01:54:21 PM
Nola has cooled off a bit, I think, and if it's about stats I think Scherzer got the edge everywhere (last I checked and I could be way off there). If it's about the incredibly subjective "who's a better pitcher" test I think Scherzer still has the edge.

Nola outpitched Scherzer head to head. Twice. Within one week.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 17, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
https://m.herosports.com/mlb/player-comparison/aaron-nola-vs-maxwell-scherzer (https://m.herosports.com/mlb/player-comparison/aaron-nola-vs-maxwell-scherzer)

Close race.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2018, 02:18:48 PM
WAR can be whack

How is it Mikolas WAR is just 3.4 with a 15-4, 2.99 mark?

Wheeler 3.9 WAR and 11-7, 3.23

Corbin   4.7 WAR   11-5, 3.05
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 18, 2018, 08:53:56 AM
Updated World Series odds

Looking at CLE .... good buy there at 10-1

https://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/mlb-baseball_futures-world_series_2018.aspx (https://www.betus.com.pa/sportsbook/mlb-baseball_futures-world_series_2018.aspx)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 19, 2018, 09:49:54 AM
It was 10D's fault
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 19, 2018, 06:45:12 PM
Shoe on other foot, Dems bury it

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/keith-ellison-domestic-violence-accuser-says-democratic-party-doesnt-believe-her-story.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/18/keith-ellison-domestic-violence-accuser-says-democratic-party-doesnt-believe-her-story.html)
Wrong thread, dummy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2018, 09:14:02 PM
Betts catches that Voit popup

But great to see JD out there getting some jogging in
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 09:23:18 PM
Pitchers duel in the Bronx.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 11:21:40 PM
Pitchers duel in the Bronx.

With a satisfying ending for the Bosox fans.

Still want to reach at least 106 wins. Honestly, 111 sounds better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2018, 11:22:13 PM
now that's was a helluva way to clinch the division
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 20, 2018, 11:23:15 PM
Congrats to Sox fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 11:51:39 PM
now that's was a helluva way to clinch the division

Sure was!

Rollercoaster game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 20, 2018, 11:53:00 PM
Congrats to Sox fans.

Thanks - you're more than likely to get into the post-season, yourselves, so it is quite unclear that the Sox have seen the last of the Yankees for 2018.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 08:39:09 AM
Congrats to Sox fans.

Thanks, Soto
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2018, 09:54:25 AM
Congrats to Sox fans.

Thanks - you're more than likely to get into the post-season, yourselves, so it is quite unclear that the Sox have seen the last of the Yankees for 2018.

Unless the A's
Get in the way

We'll meet again
Don't know where
Don't know when
But I know we'll meet again some sunny day


And that Betts kid is a special kind of ballplayer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 21, 2018, 07:50:01 PM
Sox lineup tonight looks like its from a ST split squad game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2018, 08:08:41 PM
Ignore if you hate trivia

https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1043138160581128193 (https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1043138160581128193)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 21, 2018, 09:54:55 PM
Boston fan shocked by their win: https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2796930-red-sox-fan-dies-after-being-electrocuted-train-surfing-after-game-vs-yankees.amp.html (https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2796930-red-sox-fan-dies-after-being-electrocuted-train-surfing-after-game-vs-yankees.amp.html)

Friggin' dope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 21, 2018, 11:35:00 PM
105.

A fine comeback by the scrubs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 22, 2018, 06:45:32 PM
pretty good game

deGrom is good, but I'm not sure if I'd vote him NL CY.

Yeah

He's "good".

Heh.7th u17
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2018, 03:06:42 PM
Damn - there goes my HAPP win.

Beckham has some tools.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 23, 2018, 04:59:22 PM
Gregorius may  be  gone for the rest of 2018.

Not helpful for the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 08:47:15 AM
The END of the Yankee run, if true.

May get ONE game vs Sox now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 24, 2018, 08:50:35 AM
Brian Doyle!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 02:27:47 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 24, 2018, 02:58:48 PM
This year's bloody sock.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 24, 2018, 03:03:31 PM
I'm not sure if Kid got my point which was simply that the Yankees won the World Series with Brian Doyle playing for the supposedly indispensable Willie Randolph.  I don't want Ronald Torryes and Neil Walker to play second (Torres moving to short) for an entire season, but it could work for a short stretch of time. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 24, 2018, 03:56:25 PM
heh

2 points for you

The one you made and the one on top of your head
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 24, 2018, 04:11:28 PM
Even your insults are stupid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 24, 2018, 10:34:48 PM
its not every day you see 106 YO records broken.

I'm pretty sure its 10D's fault.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 08:16:00 AM
AB had a nice game.  Need a few more this week (I am sure all the regs get at least one of the games if not more to rest)

What was the record?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2018, 09:52:38 AM
regular season franchise wins
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 11:06:40 AM
1912 team still arguably better

That Heinie Wagner was a hell of a ballplayer

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2018, 04:36:35 PM
Never saw the '12 team play, so I'll defer to you.

The quest for 107 postponed until tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 07:56:30 PM
Who in history?

30 2b
35 hr
100 runs
100 rbi
125 bb

for a season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 25, 2018, 08:08:59 PM
Who in history?

30 2b
35 hr
100 runs
100 rbi
125 bb

for a season.

36 2b
34 hr
107 runs
103 rbi
127 bb
39 sb

for a season.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2018, 09:14:49 PM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 25, 2018, 11:07:48 PM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)

And 11 more runs produced. But I chose a simpler year.

The best thing about your example was the even 100 runs and ribbies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 26, 2018, 09:02:42 AM
Even your insults are stupid.
No insult. He was just pointing out what a sharp guy you are.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 26, 2018, 09:03:19 AM
Sox don't make the World Series. Book it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2018, 10:41:38 AM
IIRC my preseason picks for the series was Astros-(Nats or LADs-don't remember which), with Astros repeating.

Pretty sure I had
AL div winners
Sox
Tribe
Astros

WC-Yankees (don't remember 2nd team, maybe Seattle)

NL

Nats
Cubs
LADs

WC-don't remember


Still think Astros should be favored.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2018, 11:10:17 AM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)

And 11 more runs produced. But I chose a simpler year.

The best thing about your example was the even 100 runs and ribbies.

All numbers should of course have a + after them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 26, 2018, 03:42:23 PM
Sorry - you are one HR short  :)

And 11 more runs produced. But I chose a simpler year.

The best thing about your example was the even 100 runs and ribbies.

All numbers should of course have a + after them.

It's an argument.

For my numbers today, I intentionally chose ones less likely to be subject to *, if not +.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 26, 2018, 05:08:24 PM
IIRC my preseason picks for the series was Astros-(Nats or LADs-don't remember which), with Astros repeating.

Pretty sure I had
AL div winners
Sox
Tribe
Astros

WC-Yankees (don't remember 2nd team, maybe Seattle)

NL

Nats
Cubs
LADs

WC-don't remember


Still think Astros should be favored.
I have all my picks saved somewhere. I will repost them, though it may take me until the end of October to find them. I expect uncanny accuracy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 26, 2018, 05:18:06 PM
If my math is correct, if Boston wins out and Baltimore loses out, Baltimore will set a Modern Era record by finishing 66 games back, beating the 1909 Boston Doves by half a game, and the AL record 1939 St. Louis Browns 64.5 by 1.5 games. The playoff era record - Detroit 2003, a measly 47 GB? Shattered.

The all time record, set by the egregious Cleveland Spiders in 1899 - 84 GB - is out of reach.  Better luck next year, Orioles!

Almost makes me want to root for the Red Sox for the rest of the year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 27, 2018, 08:08:07 AM
Preseason picks are cool, if you want to go back (we all had WAS, CHI, LA - I am sure)

But picks this coming Monday - after we have the teams all set - would be a nice contest (number of games per series as a bonus)

I will post mine if I remember

(FTR, I believe I had a HOU repeat - over Cubs - but could have been over Nats)

- Still mulling a +240 Cubs bet for the NL title.  Worried about their bullpen.  Staying way away in the AL. thoug best looking $$ would be CLE
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2018, 10:28:24 AM
Preseason picks are cool, if you want to go back (we all had WAS, CHI, LA - I am sure)

But picks this coming Monday - after we have the teams all set - would be a nice contest (number of games per series as a bonus)

I will post mine if I remember

(FTR, I believe I had a HOU repeat - over Cubs - but could have been over Nats)

- Still mulling a +240 Cubs bet for the NL title.  Worried about their bullpen.  Staying way away in the AL. thoug best looking $$ would be CLE

I had a Cubs-Indians WS, with Cubs winning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on September 27, 2018, 01:12:32 PM
If my math is correct, if Boston wins out and Baltimore loses out, Baltimore will set a Modern Era record by finishing 66 games back, beating the 1909 Boston Doves by half a game, and the AL record 1939 St. Louis Browns 64.5 by 1.5 games. The playoff era record - Detroit 2003, a measly 47 GB? Shattered.

The all time record, set by the egregious Cleveland Spiders in 1899 - 84 GB - is out of reach.  Better luck next year, Orioles!

Almost makes me want to root for the Red Sox for the rest of the year.
Well piss on that. Thanks a lot, Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 29, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
Not the most scintillating game ever, for all that it is lovely to hear Toddler Cello do the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 30, 2018, 07:27:01 PM
Also not scintillating, though I enjoyed it more!

The pitching roster should be entertaining for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 30, 2018, 07:34:44 PM
There is a poll here:

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=67.0 (http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=67.0)

I don't know why it appeared there instead of where a poll normally appears.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2018, 05:30:11 PM
I loved that after 162 games and 7 innings, the Cubs and Brewers were still tied.

It only lasted 3.5 innings for the Dodgers and Rockies (so far).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2018, 09:48:23 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2798238-mlb-postseason-power-rankings-where-all-10-playoff-teams-stack-up?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide10 (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2798238-mlb-postseason-power-rankings-where-all-10-playoff-teams-stack-up?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide10)

I think the piece ignores the huge questions for the Red Sox starters in the post season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2018, 09:18:31 AM
Rockies, Yankees
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 02, 2018, 10:07:19 AM
It appears that the Yankees still haven't announced their starter.  No matter who it is, though, I think they're going to lose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2018, 06:33:44 PM
Cubs tonight.
A's tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 02, 2018, 07:35:55 PM
Rockies, A's
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 12:31:16 AM
Quite the game tonight! (or this morning, where I am, but they're in Chicago)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2018, 09:17:59 AM
While I'm picking Oakland tonight, I think the Yankees are getting a huge break with the A's decision to start Denny Galehouse. I know it 's a "bullpen start" thing but in post-season games such shenanigans can be too cute by a half.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2018, 09:50:44 AM
Ah, screw it.  I'm changing my pick to the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2018, 10:06:04 AM
It's Hendricks' start (should be interesting to see if they let him go a second inning if the first goes well)

But CAHILL's game, in all likelihood.

Hendricks - 1
Petit - 1
Cahill - 5
Treinen - 2

Ideally for A's

(disclaimer - just a guess - off Cahill stats and his 4 IP three days ago)

Trivino wasnt good last time out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2018, 10:09:38 AM
Real good game last night.

rough season ending for the Cubs

Denny Galehouse-

heh

a great example of the storied tradition of fan 2nd guessing

f'ing Joe McCarthy

tonight I got no idea

Ys favorite at  -175
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2018, 10:13:24 AM
Hendrik's last 7 "starts"

7 innings, 4 hits, 0 BB, 6 K, 0 ER
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 03, 2018, 10:22:47 AM
I tend to be leery of the use gimmicks in the post-season.  But I guess you stay with what's worked.   Though my criticism of the Hendrick's choice is certainly not a second guess.  My first guess is that he'll do badly. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 03, 2018, 10:35:36 AM
I'll take the As in one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2018, 08:46:20 PM
YG right about Hendriks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 11:35:50 PM
"Theeeeeeeeeee Yankees win!" says Mr. Sterling.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 11:53:20 PM

Astros vs. Indians in its own forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=68.0
Brewers vs. Rockies in the National League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=5.30
Dodgers vs. Braves in the Major League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=6.0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 11:55:38 PM
Red Sox vs. Yankees in the American League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=2.600
Astros vs. Indians in its own forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=68.0

Dodgers vs. Braves in the Major League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=6.0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2018, 11:56:43 PM
Red Sox vs. Yankees in the American League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=2.600
Astros vs. Indians in its own forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=68.0
Brewers vs. Rockies in the National League forum - http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=5.30
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on October 04, 2018, 08:39:24 AM
 OK Yanks-Sox in five. Severino good for four plus. Teams must have studied the tapes at all-star break he is no longer dominate. Voit pick-up helped me win fantasy, second best hitter in the majors for the final 3 weeks. Hendriks succumbed  to stadium pressure. Bad choice to start.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on October 04, 2018, 08:43:31 AM
I won league with Voit pick-up. Finished fifth but won championship 6-4. All offense plus saves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 04, 2018, 11:27:55 AM
I,feel liks the 1964 Phillies in my league. Lead for most of the year, including the last three weeks, right up to Saturday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 04, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
Shit, man.  You lost that?  I was pulling for the Priests.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 04, 2018, 10:04:45 PM
I lost my other 2 leagues, both on the last day.

Second place money makes it ok.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2018, 12:22:23 AM
Dodgers looked pretty solid. Braves did not. We'll see what game two brings.

Brewers/Rox was a great game. Looking forward to game two.

Lots of baseball to watch tomorrow!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 05, 2018, 09:32:38 AM
Dodgers looked pretty solid. Braves did not.

So....LA won?  Thanks.

Not sure what to make of "didn't look solid"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2018, 09:38:30 PM
https://www.theringer.com/2018/10/5/17941388/yankees-red-sox-alds-strong-weak

The Puny Red Sox Have No Chance in the ALDS Against the Big, Beefy Yankees
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2018, 11:17:51 PM
I aged 3 years watching that game

that game was Chinese water torture
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 05, 2018, 11:22:31 PM
Stanton's 9th inning at-"bat" might go down in history as the worst ever.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2018, 11:27:18 PM
Awinzawin.

And I'll take it, especially given the dire predictions for the day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2018, 11:41:35 PM
Awinzawin.

And I'll take it, especially given the dire predictions for the day.

Did Collins find her soul, and told Mitch and the boys to get lost?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2018, 10:39:37 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Steven_Wright_1994.jpg/220px-Steven_Wright_1994.jpg)

Sore knee to sideline Steven Wright for ALDS


 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 06, 2018, 03:45:25 PM
Stanton's 9th inning at-"bat" might go down in history as the worst ever.

Deer neets headlights.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2018, 07:03:11 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Steven_Wright_1994.jpg/220px-Steven_Wright_1994.jpg)

Sore knee to sideline Steven Wright for ALDS

Might have been nice to know before the rosters were set or at least before yesterday's game. His being replaced on the roster means he is out for the ALCS, too, though contheivably still available for a World Series appearance should the Red Sox make it that far without him.

I am sure the bullpen will miss his humor during the early parts of games.

Maybe he and Dan Hicks can hang out and watch together?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2018, 09:06:29 PM
could have used him to kill some inning tonight.

David Price came up HUUUUUUGE once again in the post-season.

He sucked something fierce tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2018, 09:31:54 PM
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 06, 2018, 11:47:07 PM
GLS . Begin.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2018, 11:57:25 PM
That was a whole lot less enjoyable (or heart attack inducing) than last night's game.

I guarantee we will not lose tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2018, 11:58:47 PM
GLS . Begin.

B.O.S. began a long time ago and is never ending.

Nobody blames Cora for Price's start or for the 3 run homer later in the game. But believe (or make up, I suppose) what you will. You always do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 12:04:40 AM
No second guessing tonight.

Price spit the bit and Tanaka didn't.

Yankees crushed the ball

Sox didn't.

Series 1-1.

Troll-That you still don't understand why baseball fans 2nd guess managerial mistakes, as in Grady Little's fuck-up in '03, is a gaping hole in your knowledge. 

That you label fans talking about a team's weakness, as "GLS" when for example the Sox bullpen was discussed several months ago, is fine, its stupid, and adds nothing to the conversation, but you seldom have anything of value to the conversation.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2018, 08:00:22 PM
Pedro had every right to be in that game, but maybe Grady should have let Martinez take himself out - and risk his legacy that way.

heh

Price was hooked quickly - as was Happ - sign of the times.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2018, 09:24:46 PM
Pedro had every right to be in that game, but maybe Grady should have let Martinez take himself out - and risk his legacy that way.

heh

Price was hooked quickly - as was Happ - sign of the times.

Price was getting killed last night, and Cora acted correctly to try and limit the damage. I've no problem with his decison. Joe Kelly kept them in the game.

And we've discussed Pedro endlessly.

A simple Google search of worst baseball managerial moves ever places Grady's fuck-up among the worst ever.

That you don't understand this is understandable.

Pedro had pitched 7 innings, and after a difficult 7th inning should have been pulled.

He shouid have been on the shortest of short leashs, but Grady left him in for 5 batters, the last four all hitting safely, a single and 3 doubles, tied game.

It was insane, only compounded by the fact the Sox had a pretty decent BP to protect the 3-run lead and get those final 6 outs.

Pedro's legacy is safe from Grady's managerial miscarriage, Grady's was not.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 10:06:55 AM
When the great are tasked to BE GREAT and it doesnt work out............ kill the manager/coach.

Its sports.  Pedro gave it up that day.  Makes him no less the hero.  Could just have easily have NOT gotten beat.

Now - about McMamara pulling Schiraldi........
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 10:18:04 AM
When the great are tasked to BE GREAT and it doesnt work out............ kill the manager/coach.

Its sports.  Pedro gave it up that day.  Makes him no less the hero.  Could just have easily have NOT gotten beat.

Now - about McMamara pulling Schiraldi........

Kid

Sometimes being contrarian is smart.

Sometimes its just plain stupid.

Pedro was spent in the 7th, giving up a HR, single, single, before ending the inning with a K.

He did his job, the tank was about on E, but he had a 5-2 lead.

But Little, despite having a tested BP ready, put Pedro in a position to fail by putting him out there again in the 8th.

And he gave up 4 hits to 5 batters in the 8th, including 3 doubles.

So to sum up, the last 9 hittters Pedro faced in the 7th and 8th went 7 for 9 off him.

Your fact-free defense of Little is almost uniquely contrarian,  and plainly on its face, stupid.

But you are free to believe whatever you like.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 10:32:14 AM
I stay with my ace at 5-2.  Into the NINTH - you have a case - but not with six outs left - and like with the 1986 Buckner situation - Red Sox fans' SURETY that we'd have won had Pedro been removed - is irrational.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 10:43:33 AM
I stay with my ace at 5-2.  Into the NINTH - you have a case - but not with six outs left - and like with the 1986 Buckner situation - Red Sox fans' SURETY that we'd have won had Pedro been removed - is irrational.

Timlin and Williamson were ready and they did their jobs in that series.

Pedro stuggled to get out of the 7th but he did.

He was done. Tank was empty.

And everyone but Little seemed to get it.

But Little asked him for more when he had Tmlin and Williamson ready to go.

Ok, short leash time for Pedro, but 5 batters, the last 4 getting hits off him?

Thats just fucking crazy.


Like i said Google "worst manager decision" and while you're at it, google the definition of insanity.

Believe what you want.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 10:56:28 AM
Red Sox hitters will tell you they should have scored more than 1 run in innings 5-11 vs the likes of Mussina, Heredia, Nelson, Wells and a (supposedly) tiring Rivera.   And one really has to wonder - what the hell was Mariano doing in there up to 48 pitches?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:08:21 AM
Rivera had only twice as a closer gone over 30 pitches in a postseason game (31, 32)....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:17:56 AM
Red Sox hitters will tell you they should have scored more than 1 run in innings 5-11 vs the likes of Mussina, Heredia, Nelson, Wells and a (supposedly) tiring Rivera.   And one really has to wonder - what the hell was Mariano doing in there up to 48 pitches?

heh

All irrelvant if Grady did his job

Sox win probablity at the end of the 7th was 91%

if Grady used his BP, 9 out of 10 times, he wins the game, leading 5-2 after 7.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:19:40 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:22:36 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:28:06 AM
Yanks were far the better team in 2003.

Sox took the proper steps for '04.  Still lost the division but on paper we were so much better in 2004.

Sox should win this year, as Yanks did in 2003.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 08, 2018, 11:29:47 AM
Kid knows things.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:32:20 AM
kid

you suck at  supporting your positions.

Seriously, you're not very good at integrating facts and opinions.

Nor giving an honest count about your "predicting" prowess

But to give credit when credit is due, you're half-decent at changing the subject when you're hopelessly lost.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:34:36 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

I knew you wouldnt answer

Yanks had Nick Johnsonleading off, then it was the heart of the lineup.

Give me the moves.

Most important - who closes?  Wakefield?

It wasnt a good bullpen that year.  Not sure why you remember it as such.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:01 AM
Just one matchup was for certain in that eighth.  Embree for Giambi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:37:58 AM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

I knew you wouldnt answer

Yanks had Nick Johnsonleading off, then it was the heart of the lineup.

Give me the moves.

Most important - who closes?  Wakefield?

Ir wasnt a good bullpen that year.  Not sure why you remember it as such.

I provided the information before you asked the question

Google "Timlin in the 8th and Willimson in the 9th"

It was a pretty popular phrase WBW, and I think it what was Theo yelled at Grady as he fired him.

or re-read my post a few posts upthread.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:40:38 AM
Kid knows things.

and if we ever find out what he knows he may be useful one day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:01:02 PM
Little has Timlin intentionally walk Sierra with 2 out in the eighth.  Boone runs for Sierra - the rest is history

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 12:20:25 PM
What was "his job"?

Who pitches the eighth and who closes?

Seriously?

Re-read my posts, its all there.

or check the box scores from the 3 Sox wins in that series.

Timlin had 3 8th inning holds

Williamson had 3 9th inning saves

in that series.

Why Grady deviated from that successful duo by overworking an obviously spent Pedro remains a mystery to all but Grady and kid.

"Timlin in the 8th, Williamson in the 9th"

Kid glad I could explain the meaning of some Sox lore to you and ease your confusion. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 12:55:57 PM
I think a good guess sees Nick Johnson get on vs Timlin, then we are in the soup anyway with Jeter up, Giambi looming later that inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 01:04:07 PM
I think a good guess sees Nick Johnson get on vs Timlin, then we are in the soup anyway with Jeter up, Giambi looming later that inning.

"Timlin the 8th, Williamson in the 9th"

Kid thank your mom for your lunch. I left you the banana though.

So you can eat it.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
Well, you had the adoring masses and (eventual series) results on your side.

Congrats - and watch out for that peel in the future.....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 02:23:34 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/17/sports/baseball/little-facing-some-blame-as-he-should.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/17/sports/baseball/little-facing-some-blame-as-he-should.html)

pay site, be forewarned
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 02:40:52 PM
Well, you had the adoring masses and (eventual series) results on your side.

Congrats - and watch out for that peel in the future.....

I find that reason, logic and facts work best in a discussion.

You should try it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 02:43:43 PM
Hall of Famer

Wanted the ball

There's your logic, dickie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 03:14:02 PM
Hall of Famer

Wanted the ball

There's your logic, dickie.

Wrong again Timmy.

Manager's are paid to manage, even HoF pitchers.

Grady mismanaged.

And Pedro knew he was done after 7, that he was kept in for 5 batters in the 8th was managerial malpractice.

There was no logic in that.

None.

But I understand you are not bright enough to understand either the responsibilities of management, nor secure enough to admit you might be wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 04:25:11 PM
Cora going with  Devers, Pearce, Holt, Vazquez tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 05:05:25 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
Heh

Guess Bad Sevi showed......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 09:29:22 PM
Interesting factoid, the last time the Sox played a post-season game in Y-Stadium they scored 10 runs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 09:37:26 PM
Angel is what 1 for 5 tonight?

tough nite
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2018, 09:39:22 PM
Lots of action with (how the fuck is he an umpire?) Angel Hernandez at first base.

Lots of seeing eye singles for the Sox, and some look what I found fielding, too.

GLS on hold for now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2018, 09:56:51 PM
Angel is what 1 for 5 tonight?

tough nite

2 for 5, but still a tough night. And the crowd is on him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 10:39:14 PM
Huge performance by Eovaldi
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2018, 11:15:08 PM
too fucking funny

Matt Damon fopr the cycle

nice hunch Cora
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 12:34:04 AM
Ist post season cycle ever. Not too shabby, Holt.

Eovaldi was amazing.

Devers and Vasquez contributed, too. Cora pushed the right buttons.

Now, can the Sox do it again tomorrow?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 03:38:45 AM
Hey Banks -

Notice any posts making fun of Benintendi tonight?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2018, 08:21:29 AM
Graceless.

Still haven't won anything, douchebags.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:31:46 AM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 09:56:59 AM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.

I would expect them to be favorites against either Sox or Ys to win the ALCS

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 10:35:13 AM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2018, 10:46:49 AM
I think when all is said and done a baseball manager really has one thing to do: knowing when to pull a pitcher. 

On the other hand I can't get too worked up about Boone messing that up if the Yankees are going to make Eovaldi look like Cy Young anyway.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:14:35 AM
Hey Banks -

Notice any posts making fun of Benintendi tonight?

Nope crickets.

With all due respect to Brockstar, 10D had the AB of the night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2018, 03:47:44 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 05:15:29 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 09, 2018, 05:16:26 PM
I firmly believe Cleveland will become the first team to come back from an 0 - 3 deficit in an ALDS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 05:19:09 PM
They have the skipper with the experience and temperment to do it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2018, 05:35:25 PM
In 1975 the Phillies were 7 out with 6 to go.  Danny Ozark insisted the Phillies still had a chance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
Graceless.

Still haven't won anything, douchebags.

Duh.

My comment has nothing to do with having won the series and everything to do with a certain person's anti-10D obsession. (It is less pervasive than your Boston Obssession Syndrome, but still too present.)

Love those NY Giants, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:04:38 PM
I think when all is said and done a baseball manager really has one thing to do: knowing when to pull a pitcher. 




heh

as Andujar and McCutcheon hit the bench tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:56:18 PM
Garrr-dy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 08:57:08 PM
Booney!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2018, 10:19:02 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD

GLS...and the game isn't over, yet:


https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200 (https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200)

Sabathia left the game after allowing three runs on five hits and two walks, striking out one batter and hitting another. With their season on the line, the Yankees went to their bullpen to open the fourth, but some will surely wonder whether Boone should have had a quicker hook in an elimination game.

Poor sports.

Bottom line, you lose because the other team was better.

You couldn't handle losing and blamed Grady Little, and this guy and others can't handle losing, and are already blaming Boone.

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 10:23:30 PM
Robertson out.

WTF?

Pitch count?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 10:54:39 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 11:02:51 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

I am less nervous about his pitching the 8th, now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2018, 11:33:20 PM
Hechevarria has to tag on that
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:37:29 PM
Keee-rist what a 9th inning

fun game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:43:59 PM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD

GLS...and the game isn't over, yet:


https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200 (https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200)

Sabathia left the game after allowing three runs on five hits and two walks, striking out one batter and hitting another. With their season on the line, the Yankees went to their bullpen to open the fourth, but some will surely wonder whether Boone should have had a quicker hook in an elimination game.

Poor sports.

Bottom line, you lose because the other team was better.

You couldn't handle losing and blamed Grady Little, and this guy and others can't handle losing, and are already blaming Boone.

Sad.

Troll you're just a clueless obssessed troll

Fans talk about the game, because its fun to talk about games

you just try to suck the fun from it

but you can't

you just suck

GO FUCK YOURSELF
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2018, 11:50:19 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2018, 11:51:57 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 11:53:18 PM
Hechevarria has to tag on that

The fly to left?

He would have been a dead duck at 3rd.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2018, 11:54:42 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

Thanks.

Houston is going to be a tough nut to crack. But not needing Sale in an ALDS game 5 helps a lot!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 12:00:14 AM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

thanks yank
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 08:41:41 AM
Better team won that series.

Yeah, no kidding.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 08:43:03 AM
Hechevarria has to tag on that

The fly to left?

He would have been a dead duck at 3rd.

nah,,,,,,,

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 10:30:21 AM
Random thought on the final out.

Imagine the shit-show if the call was "safe" and tieing run scores, and then upon review, it was reversed to "out"

In Y-Stadium that would have been nuts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2018, 10:36:32 AM
And the easy 2nd guess was why was Severino pitching in the 4th, he had nothing last night.

And Booney's is rightly catching heat for the late hook on Severino and his choice to put out fire with the gas of Lynn.

heh

GLS.

Now that's a rejoinder Red State Ward would envy.

Brief, meaningless, and largely irrelevant to the discussion. 

Most baseball fans, pundits, kibbitzers, basically anyone with an understanding of the game, understand the 2nd guess as a part of the baseball experience.

But for reasons unknown, you don't. 

SSDD

GLS...and the game isn't over, yet:


https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200 (https://www.mlb.com/news/cc-sabathia-struggles-in-game-4-of-alds/c-297518200)

Sabathia left the game after allowing three runs on five hits and two walks, striking out one batter and hitting another. With their season on the line, the Yankees went to their bullpen to open the fourth, but some will surely wonder whether Boone should have had a quicker hook in an elimination game.

Poor sports.

Bottom line, you lose because the other team was better.

You couldn't handle losing and blamed Grady Little, and this guy and others can't handle losing, and are already blaming Boone.

Sad.

Troll you're just a clueless obssessed troll

Fans talk about the game, because its fun to talk about games

you just try to suck the fun from it

but you can't

you just suck

GO FUCK YOURSELF

Not my fault you don't understand the game.

But clearly it angerd you to know that your ignorance had once again been exposed to all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2018, 10:39:22 AM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

yank continued the practice of what most of us have done for years.

Congratulate the fans of the winning team.

But where you are terribly confused is,  offering congratulations for a hard fought series, is not a substitute for objective analysis of the game.

Civility and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.

Now i understand that objective analysis is not your strong point, as you are often blinded by the tunnel vision afforded by having your head so far up your ass. So you might want to consider removing your head from your butt, and wiping the shit from your eyes. That may help developing another perspective thats a little less tainted.

Or you continue to be a clueless moron troll with your head up your ass.

Doesn't really matter much to me.

Enjoy your day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:14:31 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .

Did you bet that one too?

or do  you only bets winners?

heh

As suggested yesterday for the pennant: Astros are slight favrites at about -115 (-120) Sox +100  (-110 depending on the Astro's line)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:16:50 PM
As the lines suggest it should be a pretty good series, I'd give the edge to the Astro's mostly on the better starting pitching.

But if Price can revert from his zombie state and Eovaldi...

There's going to be a lot of really good players on the field.

I'm pumped.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:25:03 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:28:06 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:29:23 PM
Of course I still have my team in it - so I win the AL either way -

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:29:32 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

 

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:33:07 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.

Just you.

You want to talk strategy -and this is what you offer?

Good Lord.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:34:34 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.

I know you didn't bet it, but you pretend you do, and always manage to mention after the fact, just winners you picked.

Its pretty funny, considering in all the contests we've had over the years, you generally end up in or near dead last.

You pretty much suck at predicting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2018, 01:44:41 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.

Just you.

You want to talk strategy -and this is what you offer?

Good Lord.

Like I said, after the fact kid pretends he's a latter day Branch Rickey., a master tactician and strategist.

But he's still good with letting Pedro face the heart of the Yankee order for the 4th time around with 100 pitchs already on his arm.

Brilliant

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:53:00 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 01:53:56 PM
I think the early second guess for the forthcoming series is David Price vs Chris Sale

Price will still get the ball twice - but his work against HOU since 2016 says maybe he should be the Game 1 guy.

Guess they are going with the "ace" designation of Chris Sale (9 ER in 9.2, 4 HR vs Astros in last year's series loss).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 01:57:40 PM
No way Sale does not get the ball in Game 1.

I wonder if Price is held off for Game 3 or 4, and Eovaldi goes in Game 2.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:04:54 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:09:17 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.

I know you didn't bet it, but you pretend you do, and always manage to mention after the fact, just winners you picked.

Its pretty funny, considering in all the contests we've had over the years, you generally end up in or near dead last.

You pretty much suck at predicting.

So I PRETENDED the $800 at +250?

Yeah, OK, pal.

As for sucking/not sucking - like all bettors (real $$ and not) I have my moments.  But Utley is right - taking the fun out of things is YOUR sport

heh

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:16:42 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.

Sale and Price are named Game 1 and 2 starters.

I hope Price returns to the land of the living but Houston is pretty RHed and Eovaldi on lots of rest and Porecello may be better choices.

But Cora's hot anfd its his call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:22:16 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:23:06 PM
Astros about to close out Tribe.

10-2 in 8th.

Pretty good choice at +250 (to win AL)

If you can get Astros +250 jump on it. I suspect thats an old #.



heh

yeah, like when I stated the bet back in April.

Pre-season the Astros were +500 +600 or thereabouts.

I've no idea or recall if you made the +250 bet or not. I suspect you're bullshitting again.

However I do recall you recently said you liked the Indians for the pennant at +1000 .


I didnt bet on either.

The model that I was running - where I was betting (starting at 30K) games every day - I had 800 on HOU at +250.

The Indians info was that it was good odds on that team.

I have always been on the Astros to repeat, win it all.

Be good now.

I know you didn't bet it, but you pretend you do, and always manage to mention after the fact, just winners you picked.

Its pretty funny, considering in all the contests we've had over the years, you generally end up in or near dead last.

You pretty much suck at predicting.

So I PRETENDED the $800 at +250?

Yeah, OK, pal.

As for sucking/not sucking - like all bettors (real $$ and not) I have my moments.  But Utley is right - taking the fun out of things is YOUR sport

heh

The only moments you seem to post about are the "wins" you claim after the fact.

but those of us who have seen your picks understand the more complete picture.

So you want to tell me you bet $800 on a line that never existed, and then tell me you don't bet, kid stick to one story.

You got too many conflicting lies.

And learn to read, I made point that Utley sucks the joy out of everything here. He rarely posts about games or the fun of the sport.

He's a troll, with nothing of value to add.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:27:01 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.

Kid I posted that preseason the Astros were +500 or +600, and your post above shows them at +525.

But you had them at +250 when you made your $800 bet?

You could have gotten +525 and you settled for +250?

Oh, Timmy, never take your wallet out of your pocket.

a fool and his play money are soon parted

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:27:47 PM
Recap on my real $$ betting, by the way -

My former book got in touch and offered a free $50 bet.....something they do in the industry to get you going again.  Matthew Stafford reached 15 completions before Sam Darnold in that Monday nighter (this was the wager offered) and I was on myw ay at $50.

I had a blast - did real well with Premier League, ok with college football, not as well with NFL and MLB.  Ran it up above 225 or so, then crapped out - last day being moneyline losses same day with Steelers and Giants, taking me back to 36 cents - heh

Cost me nothing.....had a bit of fun.  Account still open but kids have to go to college first
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 03:28:53 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.

Kid I posted that preseason the Astros were +500 or +600, and your post above shows them at +525.

But you had them at +250 when you made your $800 bet?



AMERICAN LEAGUE.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 03:38:15 PM
Remaining teams and their preseason odds to win it all (from one source, dont get picky):

Brewers -   55/1
Dodgers -    7/1
Red Sox -  13/1
ASTROS -  21/4


I highly doubt Houston was anywhere near 5-1 to win the AL, being that they were right around there to win the WORLD SERIES.  But please - continue being so sure of yourself, Dickie.

Kid I posted that preseason the Astros were +500 or +600, and your post above shows them at +525.

But you had them at +250 when you made your $800 bet?



AMERICAN LEAGUE.

Well enjoy your "winnings."

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2018, 06:43:30 PM
Sale coming in for the 8th.

Gutsy move.

Opinions?

It makes me nervous, but I think I was nervous, anyway - and who did I expect him to bring in?!

Cora had brass balls, and every button pushed seemed to work.

I was nervous about that one though.

Just you.

You want to talk strategy -and this is what you offer?

Good Lord.

I said it made me nervous.

Banks said it made him nervous.

You? You say "Just you."

You want to offer critiques of others' posting and this is what you offer?

Good grief!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2018, 06:58:44 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.

Price's numbers against anybody when he starts in the post-season have proven to be unhelpful to whichever team he was pitching for.

Relief seems fine. His starts against Houston are likely to get him game two.

Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's and he now has one solid post-season start. Sale goes first.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2018, 09:11:19 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 09:53:28 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!

Wrong again troll.

and rather that address the issue, you run from it.

What a fraud you are.
 
The only thing amusing and which draws a laugh is that when you are confronted with an opinion supported by several facts and repeated for you to once more digest,  your rebuttal remains a fact-free declaration of "GLS".

I understand your brief and empty retort is the only way you have to go, as there is no credible way to rebutt my position, as its wholly supported by facts and generally accepted baseball strategy, and management strategy, none of which you seem to grasp.

Poor pathetic troll "GLS" is not much of an essay.

But to help you out and give you the guidance you sorely need, I'll give you one more letter that captures completely the summary of your RedStateWard-lite attempt to evade anything remotely close to an adult response.

F

I hope this helps in the future, but I find it unlikely as you really are just a pathetic dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2018, 11:14:53 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2018, 11:24:12 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason


Two two-bit bit-spitters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2018, 11:28:17 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!

Wrong again troll.

and rather that address the issue, you run from it.

What a fraud you are.
 
The only thing amusing and which draws a laugh is that when you are confronted with an opinion supported by several facts and repeated for you to once more digest,  your rebuttal remains a fact-free declaration of "GLS".

I understand your brief and empty retort is the only way you have to go, as there is no credible way to rebutt my position, as its wholly supported by facts and generally accepted baseball strategy, and management strategy, none of which you seem to grasp.

Poor pathetic troll "GLS" is not much of an essay.

But to help you out and give you the guidance you sorely need, I'll give you one more letter that captures completely the summary of your RedStateWard-lite attempt to evade anything remotely close to an adult response.

F

I hope this helps in the future, but I find it unlikely as you really are just a pathetic dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Spin, spin, but you just can't win. You have always been a poor sports, and an insignificant pimple on the butt of a jackass.  And you remain so.

But go ahead and throw more lies and monkey shit.

Loser.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 11:43:05 PM
Better team won that series. Congrats Sox fans.

See, banks? That's what you do. You don't second guess and blame the manager the rest of your life like a perpetually brain injured dimwit.

Yank just taught you a lesson, but you won't get it. As usual.

Leave bank alone.   He knows Timlin and Williamson were getting Nick Johnson, Jeter, Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle to end the '03 playoffs.

I'm perfectly fine gutting you and the troll, using only facts, reason and my words.

Its pretty easy.

So kid, feel free to set up the all the strawman you need to hide behind.

You presented no facts. Just your opinion. Your opinion demonstrated your character, which is, at best, weak.

But go ahead with your self-delusion. It's amusing.

We've had this discussiuon on this board several times, the facts and context are well known and perfectly clear.

Only a troll and moron and Grady would let Pedro, with a known history of weakening after 100 pitchs, and after he struggled to get through the 7th, FACE 5 MORE batters, the heart of the Yankee line-up for a 4th time in the 8th, with 100 already on his arm, with a tested and solid set-up guy and reliever in the pen.

Managerial malpractice that most fans understand.

And I understand that you don't understand.

As you are a dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Poor Little Richie.

STILL doesn't get the idea of what it means to be beaten by another team because they were better than you when it counted the most.

ALWAYS needs an excuse.

SAD.

What a dumbfuck!!!

LMFAO!!!

Wrong again troll.

and rather that address the issue, you run from it.

What a fraud you are.
 
The only thing amusing and which draws a laugh is that when you are confronted with an opinion supported by several facts and repeated for you to once more digest,  your rebuttal remains a fact-free declaration of "GLS".

I understand your brief and empty retort is the only way you have to go, as there is no credible way to rebutt my position, as its wholly supported by facts and generally accepted baseball strategy, and management strategy, none of which you seem to grasp.

Poor pathetic troll "GLS" is not much of an essay.

But to help you out and give you the guidance you sorely need, I'll give you one more letter that captures completely the summary of your RedStateWard-lite attempt to evade anything remotely close to an adult response.

F

I hope this helps in the future, but I find it unlikely as you really are just a pathetic dumb-fuck troll.

SSDD

Spin, spin, but you just can't win. You have always been a poor sports, and an insignificant pimple on the butt of a jackass.  And you remain so.

But go ahead and throw more lies and monkey shit.

Loser.

What a pathetic evasive response.
I've provided no spin whatsoever.
And as was plainly evident there were no lies.

I've given you all the facts of the game in queston and you have not discussed any of it.

None.

You've run away as you always do.

Your empty and meaningless  mantra of "GLS" is wholly reflective of your understanding of the game in question, the game in general, baseball strategy, and basic concepts of management. That is too say you are clueless.

You remain nothing but a know-nothing poseur intellectually incapable of mustering a coherent response beyond your 3-letter idiocy.

I was willing to reconsider your grade, but you presented nothing for me to reconsider.

F

Now please resume fucking yourself

HEH
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2018, 11:46:08 PM
Spin, spin, you still can't win. Lie some more in your horse manure.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2018, 11:47:30 PM
Spin, spin, you still can't win. Lie some more in your horse manure.

 :) :) :) :)

F
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 01:40:52 AM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason

It's true.

Sale still has an advantage,

2.54 ERA for Sale.
3.19 ERA for Price.

Combine that with Price's problems starting in the post-season and Sale starts under any circumstances. Honestly, Price's post-season record starting is bad enough for that conclusion regardless and I don't know what the hell you are thinking.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on October 11, 2018, 04:02:55 AM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2018, 09:32:54 AM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.

Yup .

It was argued at the time of the Stanton deal, that they still had to address their Achille's heel-the rotation.

Adding "Sox-killer" Happ, wasn't quite enough.

Maybe Shefield is the answer, but I suspect Cashman may spend time and money addressing the problem outside of their internal resources.

FA or trade, IDK. But hell do something

But they were also not a very good hitting team.

I know batting average is overlooked for other sexier SABRE stats, but they had a team BA of .249 the lowest of the play-off teams.

If they didn't hit HRs, which they were very good at, they had trouble scoring,

Unfortunately for the Sox, the Astros don't share that weakness.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 12:41:04 PM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.

Tanaka is the ace
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 02:47:42 PM
Wonder away.  Price's recent numbers va HOU say he's a good bet to fare well - and this was home AND away.

Nate appears to be a key - but this is the Astros, not the free swinging Yanks we are talking about.

I would have no problem with Price as a 2+ inning reliever for the duration

You are on the clock, ALEX.



Sale's career numbers against Houston are significantly better than Price's

not when you include postseason

It's true.

Sale still has an advantage,

2.54 ERA for Sale.
3.19 ERA for Price.

Combine that with Price's problems starting in the post-season and Sale starts under any circumstances. Honestly, Price's post-season record starting is bad enough for that conclusion regardless and I don't know what the hell you are thinking.

What am I thinking?

That Astros hit Sale and do not hit Price.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 02:48:52 PM
Thinking 2.54 is a bit off........

Adding 9 ER and 9 2/3 innings (last year vs Stros postseason) to the 54 regular season innings, you get..........
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 05:37:14 PM
18 ER in 32 innings overall since 2016.

Just 3 starts for Red Sox vs HOU (13 ER over 15+)

Shall we look at Price's recent work?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 05:57:22 PM
Thinking 2.54 is a bit off........

Adding 9 ER and 9 2/3 innings (last year vs Stros postseason) to the 54 regular season innings, you get..........

You're right about my being off - I had a typo.

But you're wrong about 9 ER and 9 2/3, as that includes the relief pitching. Similarly, counting the relief stint by Price is inappropriate.

So, not 2.54, but 2.63 for an ERA, including that post-season start.

You can do your own calculations anyway you want, Kiid, but what it seems to me you want to have it both ways - ignoring Price's post-season starts, while relying on his relief appearances for why he should start game 1 against the Astros.

I'd rather have Velasquez starting and Price in relief, tbh - or Wright - but it doesn't seem to be an option, let alone my call. Maybe Kelly!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
Price

Quality start in Houston June 2

Quality (uber) start in Boston vs Hou Sept 7

12 1/3 innings
7 hits
3 BB
17 K
5 ER
3.66 ERA
0.81 WHIP
5.66 K/BB


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 06:17:19 PM
Looking closer at the 9/7 start - and I recall this since I needed the W for my fantasy team -

Price shuts out Astros at Fenway for 6 innings on 1 hit and 1 bb.

7th inning goes 2B, K, BB and Price is removed at 101 pitches.  The immortal Ryan Brasier allows the runners inherited to score.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on October 11, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
Yankees need starting pitchers badly. Probably worst staff of the contenders. No ace, Happ is probably a two. Severino bombed out in the second half.

Tanaka is the ace

12-6 with a 3.75 is not an ace. 14 pitchers with more wins including two twenty game winners in the A.L.. Tanaka is going on thirty and always injured lately.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
As a Sox pither, vs Stros it is really not close. Price has been better in his 3 years than Sale in his 2.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 07:09:56 PM
18 ER in 32 innings overall since 2016.

Just 3 starts for Red Sox ns HOU (13 ER over 15+)

Shall we look at Price's recent work?59

Look at whatever you want, Kiid. I am certain you can find a rationalization that will fit your argument.

59 innings pitched as a starter in the post-season. 41 runs given up. 6.25 era. 0-9 record. 0-10 for his teams.
15.1 inninges pitched as a reliever in the post-season. 4 runs given up. 2.35 era. 2-0, with a save and a hold. 5-3 for his teams.

I don't want him starting in the post-season. I expressed that concern when we signed him. I have seen no reason to think anything has changed, especially with a cool pair of nights coming up. His ERA in April is generally the highest of the year, excepting starts in October in cooler weather.

This Sunday will be somewhere around 15 degrees cooler than his relief appearances last October.

Tingly fingers?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2018, 10:36:23 PM
Ga'head - bet that ranch on HOU

I am not touching any bet vs a prideful Price this series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2018, 11:18:44 PM
Ga'head - bet that ranch on HOU

I am not touching any bet vs a prideful Price this series.

Yeah!!!!

He will be so much more prideful for this outing than he was for Game Two against the Yankees or Game Two against Cleveland or Game Two in the ALCS against KC.

Next, you could try, "He's due!" It is another of those arguments that gets trotted out as if there were substance to it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2018, 03:56:19 PM
Nor do his regular season starts against a team give us any reason for confidence in his post-season starts:

2010  and 2011 vs. Texas saw 2 runs/6 innings in a single regular season game each year. The post-seasons were 7 runs in 12.2 innings and 3 runs in 6.2 innings, his second best post-season start! But the 4.05 ERA for that game was still higher than any regular season ERA after 2009 and higher than any regular season against any of those teams he faced in the post-season until this year's Yankees.

2013, three regular season starts against the Red Sox. He faced them three times at Fenway, giving up 3 runs in 22.1 innings. Faced them twice in Tampa, with 6 runs in 10 innings.

In the post-season, he gave up 7 runs in 7 innings.

2014 is sort of the exception. He gave up 3 runs in 5 innings during the year, while surrendering only 2 runs in 8 innings. Just good enough to lose the game, but better than his regular season pitching.

2015 saw a return to form. Against Texas he gave up 5 runs in 7  innings in the ALDS vs. 2 runs in  6 innings during the season. Against KC in the ALCS, he surrendered 8 runs in 13.1 innings, vs. 1 run in 9 innings during the season

2016, more of the same. 5 runs in 3.1 innings in the ALDS. 2 runs in 6 innings in the regular season.


So, here we are in 2018. His ERA against the Uankees in the regular season was 10.34, a staggeringly high number over four starts!

Yet, his post-season start against them was, again, higher than his regular season ERA!

16.20 was the ERA for the game last week.

I would love to be wrong, Kiid, but neither his regular season performances against Houston nor his pride give anybody with the ability to read or calculate a reason to believe this start with somehow be good, let alone good enough to win.

If he comes out and pitches a game like he did against Baltimore in 2014, I will gladly eat my words. Perhaps we will see a Johnson-esque turnaround in his post-season proclivities. But I'm from Missouri.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 12, 2018, 11:10:07 PM
We're playing Houston.

Very good numbers for Price vs Astros in a Sox uni.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 01:02:15 AM
We're playing Houston.

Very good numbers for Price vs Astros in a Sox uni.

Enjoy.

His regular season starts are demonstrably meaningless in post-season starts.

You can just keep whistling in the dark about his pride. Willing to bet on him, rather than merely not against him?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 09:42:19 AM
I'm pretty sure that Winston Churchill said, "I cannot forecast to you the action of David, he is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma." after watching him pitch in the post-season.

Go Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 01:39:23 PM
16.2

ER × 27 ÷ outs

Very good.

Damn.  No idea how Price even shows for the next game.

Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 02:45:40 PM
So....Josh likes the Sox tonight.  Forget it, Verlander.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 03:32:06 PM
Price has to find a remedy for Yankee RH sluggers no doubt.

But worth reminding you....

A)  the walk to Gardner was bullshit
B)  McCutcheon then hit a fly ball to left
C)  the hook was quick.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 05:03:35 PM
Price can forget about the Yankees until next year.

That yacht has sunk.

His focus has to be on what is an equally tough line-up with more disciplined hiiters.

Shit.

He may want to think about the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 05:25:49 PM
16.2

ER × 27 ÷ outs

Very good.

Damn.  No idea how Price even shows for the next game.

Heh.

WTF are you babbling about?

a 16.2 ERA no matter how you calculate it, sucks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 05:48:40 PM
(Yanks) can forget about (Price) til next year



FIXED.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 05:49:45 PM
Quick hook by Counsel.

74 pitches

2 hits allowed.......for Miley
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 06:32:03 PM
Price has to find a remedy for Yankee RH sluggers no doubt.

But worth reminding you....

A)  the walk to Gardner was bullshit
B)  McCutcheon then hit a fly ball to left
C)  the hook was quick.

Yeah, that explains his entire post-season record.

Of course the hook was quick. There was no reason to expect him to work out of it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 06:33:46 PM
(Not to mention that almost all starters are being quickly hooked this post season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 06:34:30 PM
Quick hook by Counsel.

74 pitches

2 hits allowed.......for Miley

Hoooooooooooooooo!  Close escape.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
I think we're seeing some over-managing this post-season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 06:52:37 PM
Yeah, baby

Hang em and bang em
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 06:53:03 PM
Wade Miley just threw up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2018, 06:53:29 PM
The last couple of years have shown me how wrong I was about Justin Turner. Great player.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 07:56:25 PM
Sale-Verlander

great match-up on paper

I hope Kate got to Justin this afternoon and got to him for a couple

and hope Sale got his fastball and stamina.

Head says "Stros

they're probably the best team in baseball

Heart says Sox in 7

GO SOX
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2018, 08:08:31 PM
Sale-Verlander

great match-up on paper

I hope Kate got to Justin this afternoon and got to him for a couple

and hope Sale got his fastball and stamina.

Head says "Stros

they're probably the best team in baseball

Heart says Sox in 7

GO SOX

I voted Sox in 6.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 09:03:15 PM
Not the same Sale......thats the point
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2018, 09:03:44 PM
Cant hook him. Just let the game go.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 09:22:14 PM
Sale's not right

real short leash now

2-0 is dealable

4-0 isn't
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 11:38:47 PM
I'm pretty sure Abner Doubleday never imagined a game as ugly as this as he crafted his masterpiece

what a clown-show
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2018, 11:51:47 PM
that should do it

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 12:24:25 AM
Astro's played better on offense, defense, special teams.

But at least Vaz nailed Joe West.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2018, 12:45:06 AM
It turned out that while 2-0 was manageable, 3-2 wasn't.

And then Workman poured gas on the fire, but I don't know that it actually made a difference.

OTOH, perhaps Sale comes back in game 4.

Fortunately, Price goes tomorrow and he has been far better against Houston than Sale has!

 ;-)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 14, 2018, 08:42:20 AM
Yep.

Bet the Sox today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 08:20:10 PM
Price wants to watch the Pats.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2018, 11:01:29 PM
never in doubt

fucking Houston is good
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2018, 12:14:23 AM
https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1051634064967553024

That's the way the ball bounces.


But it sure is a good thing we had Price going! His pitching line is a tribute to his prior success against the Astros and the pride he carried with him into tonight's game!

4.2 innings, 4 runs (all earmed), 5 hits, 4 walks, 4 strike outs. The Astros batted a mere .263 against him. Yeah, sure, his OBA was .391, but so what? And his SLG was .474, but that doesn't mean much! The OPS was .865 for the night and WHIP was only 1.5.

And he did bring his 2018 post season ERA down to 9.95, which is lower than his 2016 post-season ERA for the Sox, even if it is higher than every other season's or series' ERA for him.

Clearly, he has earned another start in this series and perhaps the Game 1 slot should the Sox reach it!

Right, Kiid?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 09:28:55 AM
Astros 2018 vs LHP

Gurriel   .331
Bregman   .315
White   .305
Maldonado  .293
Correa   .286
Springer   .285
Altuve   .282
Gonzalez   .273
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 09:31:36 AM
OPS


White    1.010
Bregman     .969
Gurriel   .889
Springer    .834
Maldonado   .821
Correa   .798
Altuve    .766
Gonzales    .753
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2018, 11:26:57 AM
Who knows if Sale on Saturday was pitching sick or not, but he didn't  look right. If Sale is less thsn 100%, Cora's going to have to do a whole lot of stitiching together and hope that Eovaldi and Porcello come up big, hmm, maybe even BIGGER  in games 3 and 4.  Worry about Game 5 later and see who's around.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2018, 02:02:36 PM
Yeah, play the first 2.  Win one.  Good idea.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2018, 05:07:25 PM
How much pine tar did Matt Barnes use to doctor the ball?

Sox taking lessons from Pats on cheating in the post-season.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 05:12:52 PM
Did the toilet backed-up?

It smells like troll shit in here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 06:23:39 PM
Hmmmm

had no idea the game started...

Who we got, Eovaldi?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 06:24:51 PM
Simple grounder to second...

Oh, wait - the shift.

Base hit, Springer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 06:38:31 PM
Nunez makes 2 great plays in the third, gets base hit in the 4th and is replaced on the bases by Devers

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 06:44:26 PM
he probably re-pulled his hammy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 06:51:53 PM
the internet sleuths have video that Pearce's ball hit scraped the wall before Kemp caught it.

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada (https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada)

slow it down using the left arrow to .125X and you can see the ball scrape, change drop angle.

modern techology.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:12:35 PM
JFC

ball finds you
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:19:47 PM
ball don't lie

Pearce scrapes the wall again
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 07:33:45 PM
the internet sleuths have video that Pearce's ball hit scraped the wall before Kemp caught it.

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada (https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada)

slow it down using the left arrow to .125X and you can see the ball scrape, change drop angle.

modern techology.

That's a NO for me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:51:56 PM
Bregman's going to be a pain in the ass this series.

He's fucking good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:53:34 PM
the internet sleuths have video that Pearce's ball hit scraped the wall before Kemp caught it.

https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada (https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/boringimpartialamericancicada)

slow it down using the left arrow to .125X and you can see the ball scrape, change drop angle.

modern techology.

That's a NO for me.

As is global warming.

But if you slow it down you can see the ball scrape the wall and change the angle it had.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
Great game by Eovaldi
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 08:27:04 PM
Jackie with another wall scraper

BOOM
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 08:28:23 PM
Osuna replaces Peacock in pecking order

Worked out REAL wel..

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 09:08:19 PM
A guy who likes to hit people, hits people.

go figure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 09:10:14 PM
Eovaldi overcame the Bermuda Triangle at 3rd and was HUGE.

Great win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2018, 09:11:53 PM
Good game for the Red Sox, despite the red flag waving at third.

No chance for Kimbrel to set the record for most saves in a post season in which he gave up a run.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 09:12:08 PM
And Bregman was amazing, did everything nand even provided a wake-up call,
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 10:54:25 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2018, 11:07:21 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.

I am sure you are ready to defend yet another incompetent David Price post season start, but it doesn't fly. He gave up more runs in fewer innings pitched.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2018, 11:31:23 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.


Cool.

Hope he locates it a bit better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2018, 11:39:20 PM
I hope the Sox find a 3rd baseman by then, although tomorrow would be ok too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 01:29:03 AM
Looked to me like Machado ran into Aguilar intentionally.

Not a good look.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 04:25:35 AM
David Ortiz's reaction while on the FS1 set, to Jackie Bradley, Jr.'s homer in Game 3 is pretty entertaining.

Nothing like a reserved, calm response with all the objective neutrality in the world.

And I do mean nothing like that!

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/david-ortiz-reacts-to-jackie-bradley-jr-grand-slam/c-297974806
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 17, 2018, 08:41:50 AM
Machado is the new Arod. Astros caught with Spygate II. Boston brings out the worst in people.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:22:01 AM
David Ortiz's reaction while on the FS1 set, to Jackie Bradley, Jr.'s homer in Game 3 is pretty embarassing



Fixed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:23:47 AM
I hope the Sox find a 3rd baseman by then, although tomorrow would be ok too.

Holt/Xander/Kinsler/Pearce would be bold.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 10:08:37 AM
Yelich -   Shut up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4GbIBLzcCw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4GbIBLzcCw)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:48:58 AM
I hope the Sox find a 3rd baseman by then, although tomorrow would be ok too.

Holt/Xander/Kinsler/Pearce would be bold.

Holt wouldn't be crazy, he's a utility guy by trade and has played there.

But 3rd has been a Bermuda Triangle of defensive suck for the Sox.

Devers has got to get better or pick-up a 1st base glove. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 12:59:21 PM
Machado is the new Arod. Astros caught with Spygate II. Boston brings out the worst in people.

Boston Obsession Syndrome full in force.

Astros were reported by Cleveland for doing this, first.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 04:32:18 PM
Porcello night.......

And might we see Price?

Should be interesting.

Morton could be rusty or could be lights out.

Both managers have had some explaining to do with personnel moves.  But this just comes with the territory now that we dont have a plug and play system.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 09:05:24 PM
I think that's an incorrect call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:05:34 PM
Heh

Nice break for the Sox

That ball is in the crowd.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 09:07:59 PM
That's what I saw.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 09:12:52 PM
The security guard was in exactly the wrong (or right) spot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
Really?

I dont think they needed that view at all.

Will be discussed for a while, surely

Poor Joe West.  He was applauded for yesterday's excellent strike zone.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 09:58:12 PM
Ricky got nothin tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on October 17, 2018, 10:07:47 PM
I think that's an incorrect call.
Replay automatically review “ boundary calls”.
It could not make a conclusive determination where the ball was at the time.
Umpire call stands.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 10:12:36 PM
Really?

I dont think they needed that view at all.

Will be discussed for a while, surely

Poor Joe West.  He was applauded for yesterday's excellent strike zone.

I gathered that you didn't. Clearly, in New York they disagreed with you.

He won't be pilloried for that call beyond Astros fans and a few others. If the folks in NY, watching in slow mo and real time couldn't conclude the ball was past the wall, then how could you expect Joe to in only real time and no replay.

OTOH, they got the call wrong last night, so who knows?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:16:03 PM
I know the replay rules. I believe West made the incorrect call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2018, 10:33:07 PM
It was an easy change for NY.

Man.......Cora really stayed with Ricky.  Weird.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:33:58 PM
intersting game with a lotta baseball tonight.

I'm pretty sure I've got the 2nd guess nailed.

Be interested to hear the explanation.

lot of game left though.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:36:03 PM
James is a beast.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:37:14 PM
I think we've seen a ton of weird managing this post-season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on October 17, 2018, 10:40:32 PM
I know the replay rules. I believe West made the incorrect call.
Then so did  replay.
Which only begs the question why do we need it?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:41:18 PM
Fuck Darling

"Astros finally get a call"

FUCK YOU

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:43:07 PM
I know the replay rules. I believe West made the incorrect call.
Then so did  replay.
Which only begs the question why do we need it?
You're asking me? I hate replay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2018, 10:44:45 PM
 That's a sweet slide by Benitendi. Every day and every way I can see why Kid hates him so much.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:46:09 PM
If Porcello comes out for the 5th....

Its gotta be Kelly right?
He's been ready for an hour or so
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 10:47:23 PM
I guess Cora wanted a ND for Porky.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 11:04:06 PM
EdRo warming

Price tomorrow
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 11:12:14 PM
whole lotta baseball tonight.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 11:12:43 PM
James is a beast.

As is JBJ.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2018, 11:20:06 PM
James is a beast.

As is JBJ.

He got hot at the right time
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2018, 11:52:55 PM
I was surprised that Hinch took out Pressly.

Holt showed very good patience.

And Pressly's scoreless streak is over.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:15:02 AM
Uncle Charley pays a visit.

nasty hook
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:34:06 AM
Betts is specatacular

and so don't get why Kimbrel is pitching the 8th
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 12:35:54 AM
Betts is specatacular

and so don't get why Kimbrel is pitching the 8th

Seemed pretty curious to me, too.

But maybe Cora knows something we do not know.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 12:43:04 AM
Betts is specatacular

and so don't get why Kimbrel is pitching the 8th

Seemed pretty curious to me, too.

But maybe Cora knows something we do not know.

I imagine that list is long

Barnes thrw 5 pitchs

and now we may have Price in the 9th?

Its a style of chess I;m not familiar with.

But so far its working.
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:00:32 AM
Fuck Josh Reddick
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:16:06 AM
WHAT A GREAT FUCKING GAME
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 01:16:30 AM
I do not understand why Price was up.

If he was getting up, why wasn't he pitching the 8th. Or the 9th. Or after a baserunner. Or... whatever!

But Benny!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:18:15 AM
and 10D sucks!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 01:19:51 AM
I do not understand why Price was up.

If he was getting up, why wasn't he pitching the 8th. Or the 9th. Or after a baserunner. Or... whatever!

But Benny!

I'm beyond and behind the chess moves Cora made.

But...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:16:55 AM
It looks to me as if the fans' hands are over the wall and in the field of play.

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44197834_10101730138550278_257576120818335744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&oh=80cec30cb398c9471e255a4176f56121&oe=5C5CF2EA)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:39:34 AM
https://twitter.com/RealCJ10/status/1052738360417153024

Quote
Chipper Jones

Verified account @RealCJ10
Follow Follow @RealCJ10

U can’t say definitively that he reached over the fence. There is no angle that shows it. Fans see what they wanna see. I see a guy whose body hadn’t hit the wall yet, glove well ABOVE his head and multiple fans leaning and reaching out. Can’t overturn call on the field. Period
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:46:58 AM
Kennedy assassination photo:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpwRzFUUcAA_tZJ.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 03:58:13 AM

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44247812_10101730161329628_1806923798335717376_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&oh=b518f772ed26ca6bcab148097f3d2693&oe=5C51FC3F)


Apparently, Bill Baer wasn't paying as much attention to the game as he should have been, but he was saved by the headline writer, who got the score right!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 07:52:53 AM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.


Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 18, 2018, 09:10:29 AM
It looks to me as if the fans' hands are over the wall and in the field of play.

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44197834_10101730138550278_257576120818335744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&oh=80cec30cb398c9471e255a4176f56121&oe=5C5CF2EA)

Saw it several times. To me it looks like Betts closed his glove too soon and missed it. Then the ball hits a fan's hand and a split second later Betts' glove hits the fans hand.

But shit happens. Bang bang call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 09:37:33 AM
Kennedy assassination photo:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpwRzFUUcAA_tZJ.jpg:large)

My 2nd favorite ALCS security guard.

I understand that the Astro's had enough cameras in the park, but unfortunately for them they were al focused on the Sox dugout.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 18, 2018, 10:00:31 AM
Kennedy assassination photo:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DpwRzFUUcAA_tZJ.jpg:large)

My 2nd favorite ALCS security guard.

I understand that the Astro's had enough cameras in the park, but unfortunately for them they were al focused on the Sox dugout.


LOL :-)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 18, 2018, 11:03:57 AM
Saw a better replay. I've changed my mind it looks like a fan did close Betts' glove.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 11:26:46 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 11:58:32 AM
https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1052915450894401536 (https://twitter.com/MLBNetwork/status/1052915450894401536)

We get it, Ripken - you want the rule changed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 18, 2018, 02:18:21 PM
Fix is in. Horrible calls in the series, all going cheating Boston's way.

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 02:32:30 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-vs-astros-fan-involved-in-mookie-betts-interference-play-says-its-about-the-worst-call-hes-ever-seen/?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e)

Now there's a shock!

The man involved says he's innocent and there is no way he was over the yellow line.

The white shirted guy's belly is over the line! His arm is further forward than his belly.

And the hands of Caldwell and the guy in the blue shirt are above and still further forward than the white shirted guy's hand.

Mookie was still heading toward the fence, as the follow through shows.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 02:54:23 PM
Betts' glove extended way back into the stands.  (Imagine the play by play call if he had caught it)

This cannot be refuted and was the reason the call was so easy.

Take the break and move on.  They should even out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2018, 03:16:07 PM
Baseball needs more Grandersons

https://twitter.com/cgrand3/status/1052983926413778944 (https://twitter.com/cgrand3/status/1052983926413778944)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 18, 2018, 05:15:53 PM
If the glove fits
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 05:39:50 PM
Fix is in. Horrible calls in the series, all going cheating Boston's way.

Sad.

You're a hoot!

It's like listening to Marshall Faulk - predictable and insensible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 05:40:58 PM
One more win and we get to

DAVID PRICE pitches the ALCS clincher

I expect Sale in game 5, Kiid.


Heh

Fortunately, even though Sale can't go, Price's pride will save us.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 05:43:22 PM
Betts' glove extended way back into the stands.  (Imagine the play by play call if he had caught it)

This cannot be refuted and was the reason the call was so easy.

Take the break and move on.  They should even out.

It cannot be demonstrated.

His arm would have to be two or three feet longer for it to be that far back, Kiid - look at its angle. Then remember that his body was still more than a foot away from the wall.

Take a break and move on.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 18, 2018, 08:22:04 PM
Josh justifies cheating, when it favors his desired outcome.

Which is why he never talks about Bill Clinton.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 09:58:01 PM
toliet backed up again its smells like troll shit again.

cheating?

an umpire's decision supported by replay is not cheating.

the troll's obssession combined with his lack of knowledge of the game becomes more pronounced by the day.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 10:30:03 PM
Devers!

some breathing room for Price/Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 10:38:24 PM
Josh justifies cheating, when it favors his desired outcome.

Which is why he never talks about Bill Clinton.

You make up "facts."

That includes the claim of cheating and the claim that I never talk about Bill Clinton.

But what else is new? You hate having your obsessive posting pattern pointed out.

You are as much of a liar as Redd is, even if you choose different topics.

You make and break promises as thoroughly as, if not as fast as, President Trump.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:07:37 PM
that GD camera shot of the Reddick fly out nearly stroked me out.

it was a fucking pop-up
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 11:36:22 PM
Why not leave Eovaldi in to pitch the 9th?

Why bring Kimbrel in?

Fire Cora! (jk - said for a certain somebody's benefit)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:44:13 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORLD SERIES!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2018, 11:45:12 PM
Why not leave Eovaldi in to pitch the 9th?

Why bring Kimbrel in?

Fire Cora! (jk - said for a certain somebody's benefit)

Nicely done, Mr. Kimbrel.

Mr. Cora, I don't need you fired (yet). I take it back (to the extent that I  meant it, which is not at all).

Good game, Red Sox.

Great season, Astros.

And David Price was brilliant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:47:29 PM
3 on the road Back to Back to Back wins

against a great team

Great win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2018, 11:48:58 PM
Why not leave Eovaldi in to pitch the 9th?

Why bring Kimbrel in?

Fire Cora! (jk - said for a certain somebody's benefit)

that was STRONG consensus at the other place.

and wheh they showed him warming uo it crashed.

heh
Cora was screwing with us.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 12:06:05 AM
Sox dismantled a scary good team

3 on the road
JFC
that was an impressive win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 12:50:49 AM
Sox dismantled a scary good team

3 on the road
JFC
that was an impressive win

It was.

And the capper was beating Verlander. The pundits all had decided this game was Houston's before a pitch had been thrown.

I hadn't given up on the whole game, but I couldn't see how Price was going to suddenly be better than Game Two Price was.

He was. If he pitches like that for the World Series, it will shut up his critics largely forever, including this one. And the chances the Sox will win will rise considerably.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 19, 2018, 02:55:37 AM
Congrats to America's team on reaching the WS again!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 03:01:31 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dp2F7zzXQAElJMl.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 19, 2018, 11:59:03 AM
Boy, tbe umps' stealing those two runs from the Astros Wedensday had real consequences.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 12:08:39 PM
Cowboy Joe almost had as good of a series as the Sox did.

His call held-up to not only to MLB replay but the angles/pics that were not shown at the time.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 19, 2018, 12:50:13 PM
Congrats dudes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 19, 2018, 02:17:27 PM
So it looks like Joe West is the new Don Denkinger.

Unless it turns out later that he's the Tim Donaghy of MLB.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 02:33:56 PM
Congrats dudes.

thanks cap.

Hope we can have a similar convo in about 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 19, 2018, 03:05:05 PM
Congrats to my Red Sox fan from me sitting on a park bench in Ann Arbor.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 03:21:21 PM
Congrats to my Red Sox fan from me sitting on a park bench in Ann Arbor.

Big football/intrastate war week-end in that part of the world?

have fun with your frosh-Wolverine.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 03:44:20 PM
Boy, tbe umps' stealing those two runs from the Astros Wedensday had real consequences.

I laugh at your humor.

But I know full well that if they get those two runs it is very hard to predict how things would have gone from there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 19, 2018, 04:11:34 PM
Cowboy Joe almost had as good of a series as the Sox did.

His call held-up to not only to MLB replay but the angles/pics that were not shown at the time.

You mean the doctored photos that suddenly appeared once MLB knew it had a real problem to deal with? Oh, yeah..."evidence".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2018, 04:29:00 PM
Boy, tbe umps' stealing those two runs from the Astros Wedensday had real consequences.

I laugh at your humor.

But I know full well that if they get those two runs it is very hard to predict how things would have gone from there.

Little known fact (unless one watched the game-which the troll didn't) the Astros took the lead twice after the correctly called interference call. And the Sox came back twice to win the game.

Sox beat a very good team 4 consecutive game, including 3 in their park, which I'm guessing is a fairly rare event for a defending World Champ who won over 100 games.

Sox for the most part played great baseball beating a great team.

That the troll attempts to suck the fun from the game and the enjoyment fans get from their team's accomplishment is what he tries to do, in every sports forum he contaminates, but in the end he always fails.

Instead he just sucks. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 19, 2018, 06:15:36 PM
Alert fans know what happened. Fix was in. Commissioner is a fraud.

Shamball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2018, 09:41:38 PM
Alert fans know what happened. Fix was in. Commissioner is a fraud.

Shamball.

Alert (and mostly even moribund) forum members know what happened. Utley was feeling irrelevant. Utley is a fraud.

Slimeball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 12:17:25 AM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2018, 12:20:08 AM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 12:46:32 AM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2018, 10:14:48 AM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.

Mind you, school marm, you're still a pussy. Proved that point with the abject panic you went into about a year ago.

So fuck off, Masshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 03:27:46 PM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.

Mind you, school marm, you're still a pussy. Proved that point with the abject panic you went into about a year ago.

So fuck off, Masshole.

I haven't denied despising your threats to post my private information, Utley. Having had people like you interfere in my life from here and other sites, I find the threats, whether aimed at me or at others, to be chilling.

But while I haven't denied objecting to your posting information and/or a picture of me, neither have I broken promises that I have made to stop making personal references to off-line identity, which you have done repeatedly - repeatedly promising to change and repeatedly breaking your promises.

I may be a pussy, but you remain a Boston-obsessed, lying asshole.

I'd rather be a pussy, given your definition of it.

And yeah, Utley, you are exactly who you seem to be in your posts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2018, 05:10:25 PM
The troll has proved time and time again he's an indecent sociopath, with an inability to conform to societal norms. He plays at provocative, but he is not. Stalking and revealing private information is not provocative, its an invasion of privacy, and is used as his defense when his pea-sized brain feels overwhelmed and threatened by other more informed posters who show him up for the pathetic loser he is.

Troll you should apologize to Josh, and never post here again.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2018, 05:13:04 PM
Betts at 2nd for the WS, to solve the JDM/JBJ/no DH conundrum in the NL park?

Its a little risky, but Betts was a 2nd baseman, it might be worth a shot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 20, 2018, 07:05:13 PM
I'd be comfortable with the idea that Betts is as good at second as anybody else they could put out there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 07:07:11 PM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?

Sure.  LA wins with the rocket armed kid - but its their last win this year - as THE FIX IS IN
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 07:56:28 PM
I'd be comfortable with the idea that Betts is as good at second as anybody else they could put out there.

Nah...

I dont see it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?

Sure.  LA wins with the rocket armed kid - but its their last win this year - as THE FIX IS IN

Oh, look - Utley has a new username.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 09:51:46 PM
Great job, Buehler

Tough call by Roberts with the hook.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2018, 09:56:01 PM
Now THAT's a fucking catch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2018, 11:38:37 PM
Beat LA will once again be the battle cry in the bi-coastal war for baseball supremacy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 21, 2018, 12:44:04 AM
Beat LA will once again be the battle cry in the bi-coastal war for baseball supremacy.

102 years later, we meet again!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2018, 11:42:45 AM
Sox opened at -135 favorites in LV

line dropped to -120 as LA money came in heavy.

I'm thinking Sox in 6
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 21, 2018, 01:09:47 PM
The fix is in!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 10:16:07 AM
yank you're doing a helluva job pinch-hitting.

But you're a starter.

Series line now
Sox -165
LAD +135

tonight Sales/Kershaw

Sox- 150
LAD +140
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2018, 03:05:41 PM
Mets in talks with Captain Kangaroo

https://twitter.com/metsblog/status/1054780520637186048 (https://twitter.com/metsblog/status/1054780520637186048)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 23, 2018, 06:29:50 PM
All I ask is that no member of the Cowsills living or dead be allowed in or near Fenway Park
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 07:58:02 PM
BEAT LA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2018, 11:34:07 PM
Quite the pinch hit at bat by Nuñez.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2018, 11:35:25 PM
If Alex Cora hits on 20, you can be sure the next card is an Ace.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 12:05:36 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 12:12:20 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks


Yay!

A good game. Winning when Sale only goes 4+ is a big plus. Driving Kershaw out at the same point was an unexpected turn - he does not give up 3 runs in 4 innings very often, let alone 5.

Both sides used their bullpens thoroughly, though not the LA closer. I wonder what impact that will play going forward.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 12:13:37 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Yay!

A good game. Winning when Sale only goes 5+

or even 4+.

He's not right. might want to double check the belly button ring in the off-season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 12:16:05 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Yay!

A good game. Winning when Sale only goes 5+

or even 4+.

He's not right. might want to double check the belly button ring in the off-season.

His speed was up tonight and his contol better, if not yet Sale-esque.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 12:24:22 AM
I miss mid-summer Sale, that guy was near unhittable.

His command is still off.

I hope he's ok.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 08:14:25 AM
Good win.

Who pitches tonight?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:07:13 AM
Quite the pinch hit at bat by Nuñez.

Roberts let Hill throw to Noonie?  Or had Hill been brought in for Devers?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:08:51 AM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Nice to see the OPS likely won't again be sub 600.

Solid offensive skill set

Still shouldn't have put on the 30 lbs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2018, 10:18:52 AM
Hill didn't pitch last night. The HR was off of Wood who was brought in to pitch to Nevers. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 10:53:00 AM
Yep.  Lefty - same gist.

Thanks for the info.

---

Good piece on Bernie acquisition in the Post.  Yanks mabbed him for 16K, double what they initially wanted to give.

Funny sport sometimes.

https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1055102626897920002 (https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1055102626897920002)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 01:13:41 PM
Thats 1

and 10D sucks

Nice to see the OPS likely won't again be sub 600.

Solid offensive skill set

Still shouldn't have put on the 30 lbs.

My only concern about 10D was his mid-season power outage.

I expect his power to develop and increase as he matures (and adding weight and muscle is part of the process).

He's a 4-WAR 5-tool player and I've no idea why you've ragged on him for the past 2 years.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 03:25:16 PM
3.9

I think his defense is overrated, especially by the press.

Sure playing in a nice hitter's park.

Would be a great 6 hitter.  Shouldnt be up in the order vs LHP (.247/.694).

Will he get much better?

Not sure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 03:45:31 PM
heh

you do know that

rule of thumb considers 4-5 WAR players as All-Stars right?

and 10D is just 24, and is a couple of years from entering his prime.

and he's hardly the first BoSox left-handed batter who figured out the advantages of oppo field hitting at Fenway

and he's done a good job in left, and likely losing some range points with JBJ in CF.

No you probably don't.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 04:00:56 PM
Happy to hear Brandon Nimmo (4.4 WAR) is an All Star.  Yankee fans I am sure will be proud of Aaron Hicks' (4.7) All Star Year as well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Happy to hear Brandon Nimmo (4.4 WAR) is an All Star.  Yankee fans I am sure will be proud of Aaron Hicks' (4.7) All Star Year as well.

I'm more famliar with Hicks than Nimmo, and I think Hicks is a pretty good defensive CF with some power, aided by short-porch Y-Stadium..

I like the upside of 10D though and think he's a better hitter.

and to my knowledge you've never posted a negative post about either Hicks or Nimmo, but your barrage on 10D is pretty constant.

And rule of thumb is a quick n dirty guage of a player. and I assume in the case of Hicks his HR #s may be driving his WAR, but just a guess.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2018, 04:24:13 PM
Nice to see Price get props for tonight from bettors.  -140/145 after opening at 135.....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2018, 04:47:13 PM
Masshole with bad beard and bitter divorce whines.

STFU, Josh, you pussy.

Pretty funny.

Thanks for proving my point.

You cannot keep a promise and you get petulant when called out.

Mind you, you also make up shit, just like you always have.

Mind you, school marm, you're still a pussy. Proved that point with the abject panic you went into about a year ago.

So fuck off, Masshole.

I haven't denied despising your threats to post my private information, Utley. Having had people like you interfere in my life from here and other sites, I find the threats, whether aimed at me or at others, to be chilling.

But while I haven't denied objecting to your posting information and/or a picture of me, neither have I broken promises that I have made to stop making personal references to off-line identity, which you have done repeatedly - repeatedly promising to change and repeatedly breaking your promises.

I may be a pussy, but you remain a Boston-obsessed, lying asshole.

I'd rather be a pussy, given your definition of it.

And yeah, Utley, you are exactly who you seem to be in your posts.

Very Trumpian, lying twit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2018, 04:50:10 PM
The troll has proved time and time again he's an indecent sociopath, with an inability to conform to societal norms. He plays at provocative, but he is not. Stalking and revealing private information is not provocative, its an invasion of privacy, and is used as his defense when his pea-sized brain feels overwhelmed and threatened by other more informed posters who show him up for the pathetic loser he is.

Troll you should apologize to Josh, and never post here again.

. GFY,, Rich Levine.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2018, 04:53:03 PM
Good game by the Brewers - the Dodgers never recovered from the bottom of the 1st inning.

Game 7 tomorrow (their time)!

Guesses on who wins?

Sure.  LA wins with the rocket armed kid - but its their last win this year - as THE FIX IS IN

Oh, look - Utley has a new username.

Oh, look, Josh demos his intolerance for opinions different than his own.

Trumpian Twit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 05:25:26 PM
troll

did I offend you, you souless indecent piece of shit?

tough shit if the truth offends you, you fucking asshole 

keep on shitting all over yourself, because that's all you can do, and all you will ever do.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 07:42:35 PM
Quite the pinch hit at bat by Nuñez.

Roberts let Hill throw to Noonie?  Or had Hill been brought in for Devers?

Roberts brought in Wood to pitch to Devers. Nuñez was the countermove.

The other natural feature is scheduled to be seen in LA, I believe, rather than his old familiar stomping grounds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
GO SOX
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:26:40 PM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:28:48 PM
and 10D sucked.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:34:37 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUZO68XgAARFMs.jpg)

Air-10-D

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:36:23 PM
If the young man could only field his position.

heh

some people are so fucking clueless
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 24, 2018, 11:41:34 PM
He looks lost out there
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2018, 11:43:47 PM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.

I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:55:48 PM
He looks lost out there

He looks like Nureyev.

I'm old.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2018, 11:58:08 PM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.
 
I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.

Price was great.

One shaky inning but he recovered.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:06:47 AM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.

I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.

Kimbrel got a call from Eric Gagne - that he was tipping his pitches.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 10:58:07 AM
Sox played about as beautiful a game of baseball as I can imagine.

Great starting pitching

timely hitting

great defense

and great relief pitching

that was beautiful

It was quite a game.

I am very happy for David Price and I hope it means he doesn't opt out of his contract.

I am happy to see Kimbrel pitch the way he has his last 3 outings.

And I look forward to the games in Los Angeles.

Kimbrel got a call from Eric Gagne - that he was tipping his pitches.

Well, Cora got a call, but yes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 25, 2018, 10:59:08 AM


There is no law preventing a league from fixing its own contest. The two closest federal laws on the books are these:

The "Quiz Show" law which was passed after it was revealed that television networks had been fixing the outcome of nationally televised game shows including Twenty-One and the $64,000 Challenge. The law reads: "(a) Influencing, prearranging, or predetermining outcome
It shall be unlawful for any person, with intent to deceive the listening or viewing public—

(1) To supply to any contestant in a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge or intellectual skill any special and secret assistance whereby the outcome of such contest will be in whole or in part prearranged or predetermined.

(2) By means of persuasion, bribery, intimidation, or otherwise, to induce or cause any contestant in a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge or intellectual skill to refrain in any manner from using or displaying his knowledge or skill in such contest, whereby the outcome thereof will be in whole or in part prearranged or predetermined.

(3) To engage in any artifice or scheme for the purpose of prearranging or predetermining in whole or in part the outcome of a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge, intellectual skill, or chance.

(4) To produce or participate in the production for broadcasting of, to broadcast or participate in the broadcasting of, to offer to a licensee for broadcasting, or to sponsor, any radio program, knowing or having reasonable ground for believing that, in connection with a purportedly bona fide contest of intellectual knowledge, intellectual skill, or chance constituting any part of such program, any person has done or is going to do any act or thing referred to in paragraph (1), (2), or (3) of this subsection.

(5) To conspire with any other person or persons to do any act or thing prohibited by paragraph (1), (2), (3), or (4) of this subsection, if one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of such conspiracy."

Note the repeated use of the word "intellectual" -- not physical. Therefore, this law does not apply to sports.

The Sports Bribery Act of 1964 which was passed to protect the "integrity" of sports from mafia and gambling interests. It reads: "Whoever carries into effect, attempts to carry into effect, or conspires with any other person to carry into effect any scheme in commerce to influence, in any way, by bribery any sporting contest, with knowledge that the purpose of such scheme is to influence by bribery that contest, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

The key word in this law being "bribery." If a league instructs one of its employees -- be it an official, coach or athlete -- to influence and/or manipulate an outcome in a certain manner, such action does not break this law.

No one has been arrested for violating the Sports Bribery Act in relation to a professional sporting event -- ever.


thefixisin.net

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:20:48 AM
toilet backed up again.

damn

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:30:04 AM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 25, 2018, 03:16:31 PM
I wanted to vote Sox in 6, but the poll closed.   Anyway,  may the team that abandoned its home city receive its turn on the wheel of karma.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 03:54:20 PM
Yeah.... happened to me on the '69 Super Bowl

Would have been my first big score......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 25, 2018, 04:57:50 PM
No one has been arrested for violating the Sports Bribery Act in relation to a professional sporting event -- ever.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 25, 2018, 05:16:03 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
He needs to straighten out that back leg. Horrible form.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 25, 2018, 05:18:38 PM
I wanted to vote Sox in 6, but the poll closed.   Anyway,  may the team that abandoned its home city receive its turn on the wheel of karma.
My least and fourth least favorite teams in baseball. I am rooting for small and highly localized earthquake in the Chavez Ravine area.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 06:37:31 PM
I wanted to vote Sox in 6, but the poll closed.   Anyway,  may the team that abandoned its home city receive its turn on the wheel of karma.

It's that whole "the first game started" thing.

And the Sox scored a run maybe a minute after I closed it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 06:39:28 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
He needs to straighten out that back leg. Horrible form.

I'm not a big fan of ballet, can't tell the players without a program, but I understand the leap, is known as the "Grand Jeter".

Taking nothing from Derek's dive into the stands, or the fact that he could not leap to his left, maybe its time to rename the classic move and catch the "Grand Tendi"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 06:44:02 PM
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2wmpcns.jpg)

some grace, beauty and Air 10D can clear the air of troll shit.
He needs to straighten out that back leg. Horrible form.

He needs to make the back leg the front leg, WP!

The other two have their right legs forward and left back.

He must have been left back from that grade.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 08:13:29 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/gold-glove-award-finalists-named/c-299683866 (https://www.mlb.com/news/gold-glove-award-finalists-named/c-299683866)

Wild guess who's a finalist for AL Left-field?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:28:36 PM
.......with a negative DWAR.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 08:31:37 PM
I see Sox nabbing TWO Gold Gloves

Thanks for the list
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 10:19:27 PM
https://www.facebook.com/curt.schilling.56/posts/10216398211161580 (https://www.facebook.com/curt.schilling.56/posts/10216398211161580)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2018, 10:20:39 PM
https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328 (https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2018, 10:30:40 PM
https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328 (https://twitter.com/LouMerloni/status/1055608316733411328)

Classy move.

I suspect Mookie would have been happier had Lou not put it out there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2018, 11:05:39 PM
.......with a negative DWAR.

Which if you've seen Benintendi plays LF, should make you question how DWAR is calculated, and whether there is anything particular about Fenway's LF which might effect calcualtions, or whether playing next to a GG-calibre CF might impact put-outs recorded.

FWIW Yaz, generally considered the gold standard of Sox LF, won his 2nd GG in 1965 with a DWAR of negative 1.0, 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 07:40:46 AM
AB is in the top three - be happy - and he may just get it - sometimes the new guy stands out -

I never said he was a bad OF

Has a popgun arm - and yeah, I know - 11 assists.

The other 2 guys are obviously top notch.

For the record - I was thinking Moreland and Betts - we shall see.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 10:16:15 AM
AB is in the top three - be happy - and he may just get it - sometimes the new guy stands out -

I never said he was a bad OF

Has a popgun arm - and yeah, I know - 11 assists.

The other 2 guys are obviously top notch.

For the record - I was thinking Moreland and Betts - we shall see.

Kid

 I really don't care one way or another who wins GG,

I was more curious about your pissing on 10D for the past 2 years, and thought it serendipitous that within 24 hours of you giving me a resason for your 10D disdain, his D, het gets named a GG Finalist.

I thought it was pretty funny.

I generally agree with you, Betts, and Moreland. 

I'd like to see JBJ's body of work in CF get recognized.

and Jeter will likley edge out Lindor.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 03:05:05 PM
Actually, Benintendi's position as a GG finalist lines up perfectly with what I said.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 04:41:38 PM
HEH

Actually if all you said was that 10D was overated on D, that would be a plausible response. BUT you've been ragging on him for the past two years.

So you're not fooling anyone but yourself.

And if you had not responded to my question and specifically said he was overated on D, which is a perfectly fine position to take, your most pointed specific comments about 10D concerned his haircuts and his weight gain.

But your takes on a guy who should have a long and successful MLB career, have uniformly been negative and vague.

Again, fine, but never supported.

Or why the guy who was 2nd in the '`17 AL ROY voting to a histrorically great year by Judge, was deserving of your constant negatvity.

So  lets not for a moment pretend that if he was not nominated a GG finalist, you would have for a second, suggested he would be a good nominee.

OK dokey?

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 04:56:39 PM
He threw out 9 guys (in about 30 attempts - heh)

So he was nominated

I had said his D was overrated

That is all.

I think some voters will see the coolness in a Sox across the board vote, so he will get a boost there.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 05:02:33 PM
kid

he had 11 assists last year, 12 assists this year, so i've no idea what your 9 of 30 references.

you've more than amply demonstrated you have a jaundiced eye and a marked inability to admit a mistake.

NBD, I don't care, but you should know you're "that guy" at the poker table.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 05:22:26 PM
speaking of 10D, he's sitting tonight, JD in left.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 05:29:53 PM
RED SOX             DODGERS
Betts RF                   Pederson LF
Bogaerts SS           Turner 3B
Moreland 1B          Muncy 1B
Martinez LF           Machado SS
Holt 2B                   Bellinger CF
Devers 3B                   Puig RF
Bradley Jr. CF       Grandal C
Vázquez C                   Taylor 2B
Rick Porcello P           Buelher  P 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2018, 08:45:23 PM
yeah - looked up tendi and gordon - got em mixed up on the assists

Well documented throwing problems for Andrew.  Eye test doesnt lie
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 09:44:47 PM
yeah - looked up tendi and gordon - got em mixed up on the assists

Well documented throwing problems for Andrew.  Eye test doesnt lie

heh

the only things documented is that Benintendi lead the AL LF in assists in 2017 and 2018, and the led the AL in OF assists in 2018.

You should probably get your eye checked every year or so.

cover your left eye
which line can you easily read?

1 GOSOX

2 youareadolt

3 youdonthaveaclue

4 jimmerfredettesucks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2018, 11:25:00 PM
Helluva game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 12:44:26 AM
Helluva game

Yup.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 01:19:31 AM
Wow.

Sort of the opposite of Kinsler's trip around the bases, before getting nailed at home.

Holt's journey combined with Nunez' painful journey to first base in the 13th have been quite something.

Can it hold up? (Can the Sox score more this inning?!)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 01:45:09 AM
Wow.

Sort of the opposite of Kinsler's trip around the bases, before getting nailed at home.

Holt's journey combined with Nunez' painful journey to first base in the 13th have been quite something.

Can it hold up? (Can the Sox score more this inning?!)

And more wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 27, 2018, 01:47:40 AM
The Dodgers need to get the runners in when they get runners on base, especially with no outs, they need to bunt, and do sacrifice flies, etc, to get the runners in. Buehler did a great job pitching tonight, but the Dodgers need to get runs, they cannot afford to leave runners on base, they need to get those runners in. Every swing does not need to be a home run, sometimes a bunt is all you need.

And the same with Ryu, and Kershaw, they pitch great, but the Dodgers need the batters to get runs in. They cannot be champions of the world if they keep leaving runners on base, they need to get those runners in.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 02:03:15 AM
I'm numb
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 02:04:19 AM
sorta like the Sox bats
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 02:36:45 AM
It's an amazing game, no matter which way it goes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 27, 2018, 02:41:10 AM
The Dodgers need to get the runners in when they get runners on base, especially with no outs, they need to bunt, and do sacrifice flies, etc, to get the runners in. Buehler did a great job pitching tonight, but the Dodgers need to get runs, they cannot afford to leave runners on base, they need to get those runners in. Every swing does not need to be a home run, sometimes a bunt is all you need.

And the same with Ryu, and Kershaw, they pitch great, but the Dodgers need the batters to get runs in. They cannot be champions of the world if they keep leaving runners on base, they need to get those runners in.

Salute,

Tony V.

Maeda is amazing, these Dodger pitchers are awesome. They need for the Dodger batters to get more runs.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 03:29:49 AM
Yup.

Eovaldi has been amazing


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 03:30:58 AM
and fuck

what a game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 27, 2018, 03:31:50 AM
and fuck

what a game.

Not the ending I would have wanted, but a fantastic game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 27, 2018, 03:35:21 AM
The Dodgers need to get the runners in when they get runners on base, especially with no outs, they need to bunt, and do sacrifice flies, etc, to get the runners in. Buehler did a great job pitching tonight, but the Dodgers need to get runs, they cannot afford to leave runners on base, they need to get those runners in. Every swing does not need to be a home run, sometimes a bunt is all you need.

And the same with Ryu, and Kershaw, they pitch great, but the Dodgers need the batters to get runs in. They cannot be champions of the world if they keep leaving runners on base, they need to get those runners in.

Salute,

Tony V.

Maeda is amazing, these Dodger pitchers are awesome. They need for the Dodger batters to get more runs.

Salute,

Tony V.

And the Dodgers win! Great job by Muncy with his walk off home run.

It would have been cool if they could have given Utley an up at bat in the World Series, he helped them to get there.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 03:37:02 AM
Great win for the Dodgers

Enjoy it Tony
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 03:39:41 AM
Pesky held the ball in '46

Kinsler should have in '18
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 27, 2018, 10:22:50 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.   

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2018, 10:24:45 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.   



Wimp.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2018, 10:25:49 AM
No one outside LA or Beanshitville is watching this Series.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 27, 2018, 11:05:24 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.
TV and radio would veto that quicker than you could say "Jack Robinson". (While that expression did not come from the ballplayer it's always appropriate when the Dodgers are involved).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2018, 11:31:07 AM
Kenley getting Tendi, Betts and Xander 1-2-3 changed the game

Had JD hit that inning Benintendi stays in the game and JD is likely out.  Holt likely remains at 2B.

MGR Roberts - in late and close games you go with your defense unless behind.  Lesson learned.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 27, 2018, 11:59:55 AM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.   



Wimp.

It was a joke.   I was going to add that, since it ran 18 innings,  they should count it as two games,  but refrained out of deference to Sox fans.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 27, 2018, 12:02:36 PM
Wow.   Longest post-season game,  in elapsed time,  as well.   7 hours,  20 minutes. 

They should take a day off,  push the schedule back.
TV and radio would veto that quicker than you could say "Jack Robinson". (While that expression did not come from the ballplayer it's always appropriate when the Dodgers are involved).

If that old expression really wanted to convey quickness of saying,  then they should have picked Mel Ott.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2018, 12:53:30 PM
Dodgers have Kershaw and Buehler one more tiime each at least

Makes for potential drama, to be sure.

But can Clayton even be near-usual Clayton vs this lineup?

As is often the case the aces may be secondary players....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2018, 12:57:11 PM
It felt like 2 games, the first a 8th inning 1-1 game

and then a 10 inning 2-1 game, with a walk-off dinger.

It was an amazing game, with enough turns and managerial moves to keep a fan occupied for hours.

and it did.

The greatest baseball injustice, so to speak, was hanging an "L" on Eovaldi, he was great.

IMO from the Sox perspective the top of the order no-showing (0-28) was the real reason for this thing depriving me of sleep.

Betts and Bogey seem to be sleep walking. Time for them to wake up.

But on the pitching hand, as we all know good chucking...

And the Buehler did not take the day off,

Ferris was special.

Ah well

more coffee

a lot more

and hopefully a Sox win in LA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 27, 2018, 11:47:17 PM
The fix is in!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:17:04 AM
The fix is in!

But nobody's watching, so who cares?



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:23:15 AM
Steve "THE TRUTH" Pearce with a huge night.

as an aside Fox had a blurb that Pearce was one of 3 Sox with 1 HR and 4 rbis in WS game.

Yaz Game 2 '67

Ortiz Game 1 '04

I was lucky enough to be at both those games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:57:11 AM
And it can't be said enough, but Manny Machado is a fucking cheap shot piece of shit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 28, 2018, 03:09:41 AM
And it can't be said enough, but Manny Machado is a fucking cheap shot piece of shit.
He's the Mr.Utley of baseball
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2018, 08:52:24 AM
Extreme GLS: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1 (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1)

Hours after mass murder of American Jews in their house of worship, this is your president's greatest concern.

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:13:14 AM
Rafi Devers still scares me, and I'm acutely aware of the KoD, but the baby-faced assasin, seems to be growing up.

I still expect some stumbles, and he'll stumble again, but (I forget if it was game 2 or 3) he showed a take charge confidence at 3rd that I loved to see. There was no hesitancy, he was making plays. 

And last night after his go-ahead rbi single in the 9th, he dives and hoovers a hot-shot and then fires an absolute rocket across the field to nab Machado.

It was impressive.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 28, 2018, 12:03:56 PM
Nunez is a decent player, but I think the Red Sox are doing the other team a favor if they pkay him rather than Devers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
I generally agree. Devers has a higher ceiling but a lower floor than a healthy Nunez. Some of Devers throws have reminded me of NASA rocket launches in the late 50s, you just don't know where its going to go.  But he's showing a nice "clutchiness" on a big stage.

Nunez has been playing hurt, and his Game 3 slapstick performance was an adventure/misadventure hi-light film all in itself.

Devers started G1 v Kershaw, so I'm guessing he's playing tonight.

So its a lock it'll be Nunez.

HEH

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 28, 2018, 12:52:26 PM
Apparently yelling fire and brimstone in the dugout works.  Wonder what Sale said.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:17:46 PM
Nunez is a decent player, but I think the Red Sox are doing the other team a favor if they pkay him rather than Devers.

Well, he's hurt, so.....

Great play by the kid last night.  He's been up and down with the glove - has to feel good.

Oh, yeah - and nice sawed off job by Tendi.  Pearce made him a  bit of a hero.

heh

(Anyone else think Turner could have had the force at third on that play?)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 01:20:03 PM
With a win tonight Sale snatches the World Series MVP honor from Price - with Pearce then likely having claim.

Havent looked at the composites - not sure who else might factor in
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 28, 2018, 04:00:11 PM
I thought the Dodgers were going to win last night when Puig hit the home run, but they lost. 

We will see what happens tonight. I am sure it will be an exciting game. I do not expect the Dodgers to go down easy, and they still have a chance of winning the World Series. They can pull off the Dodger miracle of 2018. Boy, these Red Sox are tough.

Salute,

Tony V. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 04:06:34 PM
With a win tonight Sale snatches the World Series MVP honor from Price - with Pearce then likely having claim.

Havent looked at the composites - not sure who else might factor in

heh

Sale in relief tonight?

you got your finger on the pulse.

Price starts and Sox win and he pitchs well, its Price.

IMO w/Sox win then Evo, Pearce, Kelly, 10D

horse/cart.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 04:29:40 PM
Well......alright!

https://www.mlb.com/news/david-price-to-start-world-series-game-5/c-299820440 (https://www.mlb.com/news/david-price-to-start-world-series-game-5/c-299820440)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 28, 2018, 06:01:19 PM
With a win tonight Sale snatches the World Series MVP honor from Price - with Pearce then likely having claim.

Havent looked at the composites - not sure who else might factor in
I think if Boston wins tonight, the series MVP is clean Ryan Madson.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 07:57:58 PM
Dave Roberts' reinventing the game continues to benefit his opponent (Jansen in the 8th the lead example).

Kiki Hernandez bats third tonight.  Can you envision his making the last out as Manny Fucking Machado waits on deck?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 09:56:33 PM
12 outs to go.  How many does Price get?

Sad now to hear Hill took himself out of Game 4.

Sadder still that Roberts didnt just tell the press he was taking Hill out anyway.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 10:17:27 PM
How is Kershaw still in there?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 10:48:53 PM
Price was spectacular.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:00:43 PM
JOE FUCKING KELLY!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 11:07:08 PM
Exactly.

Leave him in

Sale has no right in this game except as a LOOGY.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2018, 11:08:24 PM
Congrats in advance to all of you in RSN!

Great season! 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:11:17 PM
Kelly pitched 2 last night

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:12:25 PM
I guess its Eovaldi for Game 6
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:16:22 PM
PLEASE

PLEASE

get this fucker
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:18:25 PM
SPEC FUCKING TACULAR
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:21:15 PM
A brilliant season

The best Sox team I've seen EVER

That was an all-time great team

they beat 3 great 100 win teams

I don't know if thats been done before
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 28, 2018, 11:26:15 PM
Well, at least the Dodgers brought the World Series to Los Angeles.

Congrats to the Red Sox.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2018, 11:30:35 PM
Thank God that shit is over. The single most boring season in the history of bsseball. What a fucking yawnfest.

Bought and paid for.

Fix. Was. In.

The sport is now on life support.

When the Red Sox scandal of 2018 is exposed, it will die.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2018, 11:31:35 PM
Hot stove is on.

Where does Harper land?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2018, 11:38:08 PM
Hot stove is on. Where do Machado and Harper go? Does Joe Girardi get a job?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2018, 11:43:35 PM
HEH

You'd figure that a lifetime of being a pathetic loser that the troll would handle one more humiliating loss that exposed his idiocy a little better.

I mean whats one more loss atop of the thousands he's already swallowed?

Poor schmuck I guess each one stings as much as the last.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 28, 2018, 11:45:12 PM
Another title for the Hub of the Universe. America's city of champions
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:20:18 AM
Another title for the Hub of the Universe. America's city of champions

We are so lucky.

That team was so much fun to watch.

An absolute joy to watch.

They played beautiful baseball, all phases.

And they're going to be placed real high on all-time best lists.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:24:55 AM
Well, at least the Dodgers brought the World Series to Los Angeles.

Congrats to the Red Sox.

Salute,

Tony V.

and congratulations to you Tony for your team, and your grace and manners after a tough loss.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 29, 2018, 12:48:19 AM
Amazing Sox.   Congrats to the home of the bean and the cod.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 29, 2018, 07:17:39 AM
Congrats Sox fans. Phenomenal season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2018, 08:05:23 AM
Thank God that shit is over. The single most boring season in the history of bsseball. What a fucking yawnfest.

Bought and paid for.

Fix. Was. In.

The sport is now on life support.

When the Red Sox scandal of 2018 is exposed, it will die.

What's the outlook for the Phils next year?

Who leaves? Who is brought in?

Thanks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2018, 11:08:09 AM
HEH

You'd figure that a lifetime of being a pathetic loser that the troll would handle one more humiliating loss that exposed his idiocy a little better.

I mean whats one more loss atop of the thousands he's already swallowed?

Poor schmuck I guess each one stings as much as the last.

Try dealing in reality, once in a while. I haven't lost a thing. While you keep chasing the illusion that your life will somehow be far less miserable and meaningless if a baseball team you support buys a "championship".

Sad, pathetic, wannabe.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2018, 11:13:03 AM
Thank God that shit is over. The single most boring season in the history of bsseball. What a fucking yawnfest.

Bought and paid for.

Fix. Was. In.

The sport is now on life support.

When the Red Sox scandal of 2018 is exposed, it will die.

What's the outlook for the Phils next year?

Who leaves? Who is brought in?

Thanks

Pitching, pitching, pitching. Some in pipeline. Principal owner wants to spend lots of cash. Manager needs a strong bench coach to reign him in.

Expect a busy off-season.

If the team was in NY, the fans would plead for a new hitting coach. W's up, but Ks up, worst team at making contact I can recall seeing, since the bad old daze of Steve Jeltz at SS.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2018, 11:28:00 AM
Ha! Even ownership knows it's "fans" are frontrunning morons: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/red-sox-twitter-account-dunking-144506803.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/red-sox-twitter-account-dunking-144506803.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:09:59 PM
HEH

You'd figure that a lifetime of being a pathetic loser that the troll would handle one more humiliating loss that exposed his idiocy a little better.

I mean whats one more loss atop of the thousands he's already swallowed?

Poor schmuck I guess each one stings as much as the last.

Try dealing in reality, once in a while. I haven't lost a thing. While you keep chasing the illusion that your life will somehow be far less miserable and meaningless if a baseball team you support buys a "championship".

Sad, pathetic, wannabe.

Poor pathetic troll

I harbor under no illusions about  rooting for the teams I root for, and have for a long time. They are a form of entertainment and when they enjoy success it makes me feel good.

As it does every fan who enjoys following and supporting teams.

That you try to suck out the joy that normal people can get from sports and its various pleasures marks you as a tainted outsider, estranged from socital norms.

As noted several times, you fail at your perversions, and you just suck.

Nothing you post can remotely dent the positive feelings I or any other sports fan has when their team meet with success.

And troll lastly, you are wrong, you have lost a lot.

You have lost your decency, all sense of proprotion over a sporting event, and lost reality as you've descended into deep self-delusions over your pathology. .

The loss has left you a sick twisted sociopath deeply envious of the happiness of others.

SSDD

 

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:15:03 PM
Congrats Sox fans. Phenomenal season.

Thanks yank.
it really was a phenomenal season.

I think this team will rightly be ranked among the best teams of all time.

They played beautiful baseball.

They were a joy to watch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2018, 12:27:57 PM
Looks like bankshot still doesnt get how his losses keep piling up. Day after day after day, his ignorance of reality on display.

If poor Rich Levine ever wakes up, he might realize his folly.

So sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 12:40:40 PM
heh

be it hamilton, utley, pigday or one of the other many masks the indecent stalker has hid behind, he still remains a deeply tormented sociopath, trying to suck the fun from a game.

But the poor hapless asshole just sucks himself deeper into his black hole of desperation.

And he will continue to do so until he has consumed himself.


SSDD

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
Pot.   Kettle.     


<click>
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 01:07:09 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 02:39:46 PM
As kid works on his next Knick trade, the NY Times rings (heh) in

LOS ANGELES — On March 31, the third day of the 2018 regular season, the Boston Red Sox moved into first place in the American League East, a position they occupied almost exclusively from that point on. By May, it was clear they were the best team in baseball.

Now, after 119 wins between the regular season and playoffs, they remain unmatched.

And on Sunday, the Red Sox completed the seven-month marathon by cementing their status atop the sport and among the greatest teams of all time.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/sports/world-series-red-sox-dodgers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/29/sports/world-series-red-sox-dodgers.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 29, 2018, 06:57:43 PM
It was quite a series, despite the lopsidedness of it.

No, Banks, the Red Sox did not beat three 100-win teams, unless you count not only the post-season, but the Dodgers' win against them.

Stunning stat of the day, to me? "The Red Sox are the 13th team ever to post MLB's best record and then win the World Series."

Now, I understand that from '69 on that it has taken more than one round to make it into the playoffs, but before that there were more than 60 World Series and I would have thought that at least a quarter of the time, if not half the time, that the team with more wins would have won! But that seems not to have been the case.

And of course nobody watched it or cared outside the two participating cities. That must be why Fox won prime time for every night the World Series was being played, right?

Still, a 7th game pulls a ton more folks than a series ending with game 5. If the fix were in, then the series would have gone 7, but why let reality stand in the way of bad sport grousing?!

Of course, buying the championship must be it, not the fix! There's the ticket!

So what if the winners of the World Series over the last 4+ decades have been in the top 5 in payroll just over 50% of the time?!
https://www.surepayroll.com/resources/blog/do-giant-payrolls-win-world-series-titles

Fortunately, this is all old news to those who've been paying attention, rather than only caring selectively when they need to try to drag others down.

Boston Obsession Syndrome lives on in the heart of Utley. It's pretty funny to watch.

But not nearly as much fun to watch as the 2018 Red Sox have been.

I wonder what 2019 will bring!

p.s. thank you to the non-Boston (actual) baseball fans for your graciousness which stands in sharp contrast to the whiner from Philly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 29, 2018, 07:07:51 PM
Quick review.on Baseball-reference to as my over 30 pre-playoff times when the team with the best record won the.Series. And a handful of times when the teams had identical records. I suspect the stat was post 1969.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 07:20:48 PM
It was quite a series, despite the lopsidedness of it.

No, Banks, the Red Sox did not beat three 100-win teams, unless you count not only the post-season, but the Dodgers' win against them.

Stunning stat of the day, to me? "The Red Sox are the 13th team ever to post MLB's best record and then win the World Series."

Now, I understand that from '69 on that it has taken more than one round to make it into the playoffs, but before that there were more than 60 World Series and I would have thought that at least a quarter of the time, if not half the time, that the team with more wins would have won! But that seems not to have been the case.

And of course nobody watched it or cared outside the two participating cities. That must be why Fox won prime time for every night the World Series was being played, right?

Still, a 7th game pulls a ton more folks than a series ending with game 5. If the fix were in, then the series would have gone 7, but why let reality stand in the way of bad sport grousing?!

Of course, buying the championship must be it, not the fix! There's the ticket!

So what if the winners of the World Series over the last 4+ decades have been in the top 5 in payroll just over 50% of the time?!
https://www.surepayroll.com/resources/blog/do-giant-payrolls-win-world-series-titles

Fortunately, this is all old news to those who've been paying attention, rather than only caring selectively when they need to try to drag others down.

Boston Obsession Syndrome lives on in the heart of Utley. It's pretty funny to watch.

But not nearly as much fun to watch as the 2018 Red Sox have been.

I wonder what 2019 will bring!

p.s. thank you to the non-Boston (actual) baseball fans for your graciousness which stands in sharp contrast to the whiner from Philly.

Josh

As I suspect you understand, I included the Dodger's 8 post-season wins in their total, which would give them 100 wins for the season, and thus be perfectly consistwnt with my statement the Sox beat 3 100 win teams in the post-season to win the World Series.

Again I haven't checked but there can't be too many teams post-'69 who have done that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 07:29:02 PM
Another interesting factoid, while the Sox had home field advantage through-out the post-season, 1) they did not need it 2) they played more games on the road ( 8 ) than they did at home (6), and 3) played better on the road 7-1, than they did at home going 4-2.

That is kind of amazing given how good the Ys, Astros and Dodgers were.
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2018, 10:13:01 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2018, 10:26:36 PM
We will see:https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-vegas-favorite-sign-bryce-harper-manny-machado-191336215.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-vegas-favorite-sign-bryce-harper-manny-machado-191336215.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 10:30:23 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.

Troll Seeing that you are ill equipped to participate in a conversation about baseball history, I understand why you feel threatened by it and labeled it "menaingless" However I supplied a link to an article and quote from the NY Times regarding the subject, if you want a primer on the topic, you might want to read it.

If not that's fine, as I've had other discussions on the subject elsewhere, so feel free to shit in your pants, drool uncontollably, and otherwise occupy your time as you generally do here.

No one expects you to conribute anything of value here.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 29, 2018, 11:11:55 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

It's a fluke until they do it again, but no reason to ignore them.

I think this has to be in the discussion because the playoffs/Series make it impossible to ignore. Had they gone the way of the Mariners' 116 win season or so many others of the top winning seasons, then you look and shrug, but they didn't.

The 7-1 road record through the post-season, which you already noted, is striking. Listening to the LA players and the national press, "going back to LA" was going to solve all the Dodgers' problems caused by the cold, just as going back to NY was going to fix things for the Yankees. (I don't remember hearing that about Houston.)

The success in the post season despite Chris Sale's relatively poor performances is another of the issues. The hitters against top pitcher after top pitcher, whether starter or reliever, with rare exceptions, stuck out - as did the team's success with several top hitters suddenly not producing.

Whatever the bumps were, the team dominated overall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 29, 2018, 11:14:16 PM
Well, at least the Dodgers brought the World Series to Los Angeles.

Congrats to the Red Sox.

Salute,

Tony V.

The series was more even than the 4-1 result would suggest.

And making it to the Series two years in a row is hard!

Good season for the Dodgers and it would not surprise me to see them back again in 2019.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 29, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-red-sox-stack-up-to-1998-yankees/c-299967748

The argument in favor of the 1998 Yankees as the best of the era is hard to counter, IMO.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2018, 11:51:43 PM
Whether they can do it again, IMO might not be the measure of  historic "greatness".

The Sox have won the AL East 3 years in a row, so they had a base of "very good" in place. This year with a team record 108 reg season wins, brought it to  another level, while the post-season domination, layered another still. There just aren't that many teams in the play-off era that have had this type of dominating season. But what really set it apart was the dominant post-season, against 3 very strong teams, 

As you noted the Mariners with the record 116 wins crapped out against the Yankees, but we have the '98 Yankees wih 114 wins and a dominating post-sseason, the '75-76 Reds (76 in particular, the Reds were undefeated in the post-season), the '70 Orioles (who only one 1 WS, and could have won 3). The '86 Mets (108 wins) are there, but their post-season was not really dominant (picking nits).

In any case, there are just a small handful of teams since '69, almost 50 years, that have had type of season as the Sox did this year.

And fwiw I love to see them do it again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 12:01:26 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-red-sox-stack-up-to-1998-yankees/c-299967748

The argument in favor of the 1998 Yankees as the best of the era is hard to counter, IMO.

Its about impossible to comp different era teams, but the '70 O's might have been better than either.

But as the article concludes the Sox historic greatness and inclusion among greatest baseball tems is undeniable,

except of course for an idiotic pathetic troll who knows shit from shinola about the game or its history.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2018, 09:14:15 AM
Phillies in the lead for Harper AND Machado?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2803416?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2803416?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2018, 11:49:08 AM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.

Troll Seeing that you are ill equipped to participate in a conversation about baseball history, I understand why you feel threatened by it and labeled it "menaingless" However I supplied a link to an article and quote from the NY Times regarding the subject, if you want a primer on the topic, you might want to read it.

If not that's fine, as I've had other discussions on the subject elsewhere, so feel free to shit in your pants, drool uncontollably, and otherwise occupy your time as you generally do here.

No one expects you to conribute anything of value here.

SSDD

Sorry, Richie. You're still losing.

Worst baseball season ever. Homers and Ks, horrible officiating, and snoozeball in between. Attendance down a commish committed to ensuring highest payrolls win, and a guy whose in morality is in question, in an era of sports betting being legalized, and a sport whose leaders now think all it needs is rule changes.

It's a meaningless and hollow victory in a downwardly spiraling era of the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2018, 11:59:52 AM
World Series sucked: The fifth and deciding game of the World Series delivered big numbers Sunday for Fox, but the series as a whole was the least-watched in several years.

The Boston Red Sox' victory over the Los Angeles Dodgers recorded a 12.3 rating in metered-market households, easily the best of the series thus far. It was down slightly, however, from Game 5 in 2017 (12.8), as has been the case for the prior four games. It averaged 17.64 million viewers for the network, off about 7 percent from a year ago.

This year's World Series, despite featuring teams from two top-10 media markets, was the least-watched since 2014, averaging 14.33 million viewers. That's down 23 percent year over year and ahead of only the 2014 (13.93 million over five games) and 2012 World Series (12.64 million) this decade.


Per Hollywood Reporter
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 12:15:38 PM
so Koach, or anyone with an opinion,

how would you generally rank  the '18 Sox season relative to other teams since '69, in terms of dominant seasons?

in the discussion, or a fluke to be iggied?

Meaningless discussion.

Then again, you're still getting your ass kicked, and gave yet to figure out why .

No one outside Beanfarttown gives a flying fuck.

Richie.

Troll Seeing that you are ill equipped to participate in a conversation about baseball history, I understand why you feel threatened by it and labeled it "menaingless" However I supplied a link to an article and quote from the NY Times regarding the subject, if you want a primer on the topic, you might want to read it.

If not that's fine, as I've had other discussions on the subject elsewhere, so feel free to shit in your pants, drool uncontollably, and otherwise occupy your time as you generally do here.

No one expects you to conribute anything of value here.

SSDD

Sorry, Richie. You're still losing.

Worst baseball season ever. Homers and Ks, horrible officiating, and snoozeball in between. Attendance down a commish committed to ensuring highest payrolls win, and a guy whose in morality is in question, in an era of sports betting being legalized, and a sport whose leaders now think all it needs is rule changes.

It's a meaningless and hollow victory in a downwardly spiraling era of the game.

The tears of the troll.

heh

One of the reasons the sox were so enjoyable was the way they played the game.

Speed, great defense, hit and run, solid and at imes dominant pitching, timely hitting, and the long-ball,

the Sox were truly 2-out assassins.

They were an exciting and a fun team to watch.

And troll I don't particularly care if you watched or not.

Though I suspect you did through your tears and anger and envy

LOLOLOL.

But as posted several times already, given your cluelessness, no one expects you to contribute anything of value, so at least you're consistent in that regard.

But your insistence on leaving your tears, feces and urine...

you really should learn how to wipe

anywhere.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2018, 03:55:02 PM
Get help. You're still losing.

Every post of yours insures another defeat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
Get help. You're still losing.

Every post of yours insures another defeat.

Every post insures my exposure to you an indecent dumb-fuck stalker.

that's it. But as Elba understands you're close to useless except as a punching bag.

And I don't need help, I need a buyer.

Unfortunately, I've owned you, hammy and pigday, the trifecta of indecent troll for years, and I can't drum up one willing buyer, or even a renter for the vast empty space between your shit-filled ears.

Its definitely a buyers market for dumb and indecent (explains Trump in '16) but it seems no one wants additional exposure to an amoral stupid and shit-stained asshole like you. 

I may have to cut the the price again and throw in a Sox World Series T.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 04:24:48 PM
With apologies to Arlo Guthrie

Flyin' in from Los Angeles
Bringin' in the Series trophy

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/10/30/card-games-cucumber-slices-and-lots-selfies-were-red-sox-charter-flight-home/q1cmsQrkcAu2R5aocloseL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/10/30/card-games-cucumber-slices-and-lots-selfies-were-red-sox-charter-flight-home/q1cmsQrkcAu2R5aocloseL/story.html)

lot of in-flght pics as the WCBRS winged it back to Boston.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2018, 05:08:43 PM
Btw, some ae calling this World Series the death of baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 30, 2018, 05:11:50 PM
Link?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 05:28:16 PM
The troll is just engaged in wishful thinking (for him)

Most of us enjoy baseball and have some fun with it, the stats, history, trivia, the rivalries, and assorted bullshit. But for the clueless troll, the death of baseball would be just one less thing he knows absolutely nothing about.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on October 30, 2018, 05:32:04 PM
On the bright side I can now abandon this forum until March and let Utley and banks piss all over each other for 5 months and 300 pages.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2018, 05:53:37 PM
On the bright side I can now abandon this forum until March and let Utley and banks piss all over each other for 5 months and 300 pages.

boz

i piss on on the indecent stalker troll, only because he's an indecent stalker troll, however he just dribbles a weak stream down his leg.

but I understand your desire for forum decorum.

But how 'bout them Sox?


and while you didn't get an earthquake in LA, you did get a 7-hr+ game 3 that was as close to torture as MLB, or the Geneva convention sanctions for civilians.

but it was also one of the greatest games in WS history.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 10:58:27 AM
Great Day for a parade.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2018, 02:29:33 PM
On the bright side I can now abandon this forum until March and let Utley and banks piss all over each other for 5 months and 300 pages.

boz

i piss on on the indecent stalker troll, only because he's an indecent stalker troll, however he just dribbles a weak stream down his leg.

but I understand your desire for forum decorum.

But how 'bout them Sox?


and while you didn't get an earthquake in LA, you did get a 7-hr+ game 3 that was as close to torture as MLB, or the Geneva convention sanctions for civilians.

but it was also one of the greatest games in WS history.

This obsession of yours has exposed you for the weak coward you are. You really should become a republican. 7 hour games are not entertaining. Nor was the entire postseason, nor the season itself. Which is why people are walking away from the sport. It's boring.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2018, 02:33:00 PM
Great Day for a parade.

Soft target.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 02:36:57 PM
The tears of the sad obssessed troll roll endlessly down his shit-stained and empty pin-head.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 02:41:46 PM
and troll if you find baseball boring, you should find something that entertains you.

Why hang out in a baseball forum, if it holds nothing for you?

ah well, there will always be stupid asshole trolls who try to suck the joy from life.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 31, 2018, 07:15:51 PM
Link?

What? You want him to support his claims?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 09:28:50 PM
RIP Willie McCovey

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25138329/willie-mccovey-san-francisco-giants-legend-dies-80 (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25138329/willie-mccovey-san-francisco-giants-legend-dies-80)


McCovey is one of seven players in history to win a Rookie of the Year award, a league MVP and an All-Star Game MVP award. The others are Cal Ripken Jr., Mays, Mike Trout, Frank Robinson, Fred Lynn and Ichiro Suzuki.

One honor that eluded McCovey was a World Series ring. He came close in 1962, coming up short in a nail-biting seven-game series against the Yankees. McCovey went to the plate with two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning, his team down 1-0, with runners on second and third base. McCovey sliced a hit toward right field that looked like it could drive in the winning run but instead was caught by Yankees second baseman Bobby Richardson to end the game and the series.



I got home from school to see that line-out to Richardson. Another 3 ft to the left and McCovey would have been the WS hero.

That '62 Giant line-up was loaded.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
and troll if you find baseball boring, you should find something that entertains you.

Why hang out in a baseball forum, if it holds nothing for you?

ah well, there will always be stupid asshole trolls who try to suck the joy from life.

SSDD
Soft head. Doesn't get it. So sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2018, 09:39:03 PM
Clueless and classless, but nice surprise:
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/boston-red-sox-victory-parade-mookie-betts-alex-cora-today-2018-10-31/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/boston-red-sox-victory-parade-mookie-betts-alex-cora-today-2018-10-31/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 10:14:22 PM
Price opts not to opt out.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/10/31/david-price-says-opting-stay-with-red-sox/W1r3cXqppQ25qYDSV6B56M/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/10/31/david-price-says-opting-stay-with-red-sox/W1r3cXqppQ25qYDSV6B56M/story.html)


“I’m opting in,” he said prior to the team’s celebratory duck boat parade. “I’m not going anywhere. I want to win here. We did that this year, and I want to do it again.”

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2018, 11:47:44 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront)

LOS ANGELES — Every baseball manager expects to be second-guessed; it comes with the job. And the bigger the stage, the greater the scrutiny.

Even so, Dave Roberts, the Los Angeles Dodgers manager, seemed startled after Game 4 of the World Series on Saturday to learn that President Trump had joined his chorus of critics. Roberts had just pulled his starter with a four-run lead and watched his bullpen collapse in a 9-6 defeat to the Boston Red Sox, putting his team one loss from elimination. In his news conference, Roberts learned that the president — who rarely tweets about baseball — had blamed him./i]
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2018, 05:37:37 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/28/sports/trump-tweets-dodgers-manager.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=6&pgtype=sectionfront)

LOS ANGELES — Every baseball manager expects to be second-guessed; it comes with the job. And the bigger the stage, the greater the scrutiny.

Even so, Dave Roberts, the Los Angeles Dodgers manager, seemed startled after Game 4 of the World Series on Saturday to learn that President Trump had joined his chorus of critics. Roberts had just pulled his starter with a four-run lead and watched his bullpen collapse in a 9-6 defeat to the Boston Red Sox, putting his team one loss from elimination. In his news conference, Roberts learned that the president — who rarely tweets about baseball — had blamed him./i]




Extreme GLS: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1 (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/president-trump-criticizes-dodgers-pitching-moves-world-series-game-4-040525846.html?bcmt=1)

Hours after mass murder of American Jews in their house of worship, this is your president's greatest concern.

Sad.

Try to keep up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2018, 06:28:49 PM
Verducci on the World Series and Cora's impact after the what could have been a series altering devastating loss in the Battle of Chavez Ravine.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/30/boston-red-sox-season-ages-ends-world-series-title-game-5/ (https://www.si.com/mlb/2018/10/30/boston-red-sox-season-ages-ends-world-series-title-game-5/)

An epic, 18-inning loss in Game 3 could have spelled the end for baseball's winningest team. Instead, it revealed the true greatness of the Red Sox, who resolutely pulled together and claimed their fourth World Series title in 15 years.


The 2018 Red Sox forever will be remembered for their collection of 119 victories. The drive on Massachusetts Route 119—from Ashburnham, over the Squannacook and Nashua Rivers, through Groton and all the way to Concord and Walden Pond—will never feel the same.

Yet for all those wins it was one defeat that defined the team’s soul and spirit. To deeply understand these Red Sox, not just remember them, you have to hear the hidden story of the longest, most grueling, most absurd loss any team ever suffered in 665 World Series games.

It was half past midnight at Dodger Stadium, and more than an hour after the trains in Boston stopped running and the bars stopped serving, when the Red Sox, still jet-lagged from the 2,611-air-mile trip to L.A., trudged back to their clubhouse with a 3–2 walk-off loss that had taken 18 innings and seven hours, 20 minutes, Series records for toil and time.

“Everybody, clubhouse!” Cora shouted in the labyrinth under the first base stands. “Meeting!”

Cora is a rookie manager who abhors team meetings, so the call to gather, especially at such an hour after two fitfully long days, hinted at the importance of the moment. What happened next will make for the best stories these championship brothers tell when they gather years from now, as their bodies and competitive edges soften./i]

Then Game 3 happened at Chavez Ravine. It was not just the longest postseason game ever played. It was as phenomenal as a six-ton pachyderm in New York in 1796.

“I’ve never seen anything like that,” said L.A. first baseman David Freese, “and that’s because nobody walking this Earth has seen anything like that."

“Listen up!” he said. Players were still mostly in their soiled, heavy uniforms. Some peeled off sweatshirts or tape from their wrists. Some sat at their lockers.

“We just played one of the greatest games in World Series history. Red Sox ... Dodgers ... Dodger Stadium ... World Series ... And the way you competed is something all of us should be very proud of. This is a great team. This was a great game. And you guys proved it tonight. And Nathan ...”

Cora then singled out Eovaldi, praising him for his effort and unselfishness. When Cora was done, the room burst into a standing ovation.

“There were tears,” Holt says. Porcello was one of those crying.

And then one by one, every player, coach and staff member lined up to take turns hugging Eovaldi—





its worth the read for baseball fans.

its pretty good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2018, 11:48:05 AM
Back to what matters: https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 (https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2018, 12:08:27 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 02, 2018, 03:35:32 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.

I'm still waiting for the obit (or at least the citation of those who were saying it besides Mr. Utley).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2018, 04:07:27 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.

I'm still waiting for the obit (or at least the citation of those who were saying it besides Mr. Utley).

Could be a long wait.

The troll has been in mourning since August, over the Phillies. Seems they choked on cheese-steak, with.

In the meantime have some corned beef, its lean, and chopped liver is just like mom's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 02, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
I'm still sitting shiva for the death of baseball.

I'm still waiting for the obit (or at least the citation of those who were saying it besides Mr. Utley).

Could be a long wait.

The troll has been in mourning since August, over the Phillies. Seems they choked on cheese-steak, with.

In the meantime have some corned beef, its lean, and chopped liver is just like mom's.

I had beef tongue last night, thanks.

Maybe baseball was killed by the 270 criminals in the caravan who also have no source.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2018, 03:49:08 PM
It was dying all season, but the low rated boredom-fest the post-season became killed it:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/718162002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/718162002)

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/ct-spt-cubs-white-sox-baseball-problems-20180717-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/ct-spt-cubs-white-sox-baseball-problems-20180717-story.html)

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/mlb/2018/06/14/strikeouts-effect-major-league-baseball (https://www.google.com/amp/amp.si.com/mlb/2018/06/14/strikeouts-effect-major-league-baseball)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2791455-i-find-it-very-difficult-to-watch-why-mlb-greats-think-baseballs-in-trouble.amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2791455-i-find-it-very-difficult-to-watch-why-mlb-greats-think-baseballs-in-trouble.amp.html)

https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html)

https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/ratings-red-sox-dodgers-world-series-fall-four-year-low-202615341.html)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.expressnews.com/sports/amp/World-Series-showed-off-baseball-s-boring-side-13352511.php (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.expressnews.com/sports/amp/World-Series-showed-off-baseball-s-boring-side-13352511.php)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/09/26/homer-or-strikeout-mentality-ruining-mlb/#5d5905623dc1 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/leighsteinberg/2018/09/26/homer-or-strikeout-mentality-ruining-mlb/#5d5905623dc1)

https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek.com/articles-amp/803161/2018-world-series-bad-baseball (https://www.google.com/amp/s/theweek.com/articles-amp/803161/2018-world-series-bad-baseball)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2018, 03:50:00 PM
RIP.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 05:54:03 PM
"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated" Mark Twain

I look forward to the '19 season, and if the Phillies can manage consecutive wins, we in Elba will be regaled with tales of the the Phitin' Phils, and baseball's miraculous resurrection.

And whether the Phitin' Phils can or can't manage two wins in a row, I'm still looking forward to the '19 season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2018, 06:09:00 PM
Miss the point, much?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 06:22:17 PM
Miss the point, much?

Troll

Baseball ratings have been in general decline for over 30 years, this is not new. Yet you feel compelled to focus on 2018 to complain about the demise of baseball and how its boring.

Three months ago, when the philllies were over .500, your posts, when they won, were of the young exciting phitin' phils.,

And when the collapsed in early August so did your posts and enthusiasm.

But your trolling and meaningless and joyless existence continues, independent of anything.

You try but fail to suck the fun from sports.

I think you're the only one who consistently misses the point, as you never understand the point.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2018, 06:37:58 PM
Miss the point, much?

Troll

Baseball ratings have been in general decline for over 30 years, this is not new. Yet you feel compelled to focus on 2018 to complain about the demise of baseball and how its boring.

Three months ago, when the philllies were over .500, your posts, when they won, were of the young exciting phitin' phils.,

And when the collapsed in early August so did your posts and enthusiasm.

But your trolling and meaningless and joyless existence continues, independent of anything.

You try but fail to suck the fun from sports.

I think you're the only one who consistently misses the point, as you never understand the point.

SSDD

Douche. You don't seem to understand what's going on.

Maybe go read all those articles, and consider they ate just the top of the iceberg.

The game being played now is not the game of baseball.

It's dead. Bereft of life, it has ceased to be. It is an era if ex-baseball.

The fact that you define your life by what you've been sold is on you, nit me.

Run along and bask in your meaningless and tepud existence.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 07:02:44 PM
Troll

You also suck at Monty Python.

If you don't like baseball or find it boring you would really be better off finding something you like or understand.

And troll, perhaps you should read the articles, many of which are repetitve about the declining ratings, or written well before the '18 post-season was played, so they can hardly be critical of the quality of play of the post-season teams.

So feel free to google "baseball  dead" to define your terms, and your feeling about baseball, and I'll re-watch and re-enjoy the classic games of the '18 post-season, like Game 4 of the '18 ALCS, which was a gem of a baseball game, an all-time classic, or the 18-inning marathon Game 3 of the '18 World Series. a true epic baseball battle for the ages.

And you can go choke on a cheese-steak, wit or witout, you sad envious loser asshole troll.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2018, 07:14:04 PM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/810aGa2J3xL._SX355_.jpg)


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2018, 10:25:00 AM
Troll

You also suck at Monty Python.

If you don't like baseball or find it boring you would really be better off finding something you like or understand.

And troll, perhaps you should read the articles, many of which are repetitve about the declining ratings, or written well before the '18 post-season was played, so they can hardly be critical of the quality of play of the post-season teams.

So feel free to google "baseball  dead" to define your terms, and your feeling about baseball, and I'll re-watch and re-enjoy the classic games of the '18 post-season, like Game 4 of the '18 ALCS, which was a gem of a baseball game, an all-time classic, or the 18-inning marathon Game 3 of the '18 World Series. a true epic baseball battle for the ages.

And you can go choke on a cheese-steak, wit or witout, you sad envious loser asshole troll.

I like baseball. Dare say I love it. What we are given now is not baseball. Been consistent on that fir many years.

But you keep missing the obvious because you don't toit for the game to succeed. You only root for the laundry.

It's not my problem you can't take in the forest because you're consumed by one tree.   That's your issue. Well, that and the fact that you take everything said by any poster personally.

And, Douche, if you missed the key phrase that it's been dying all season, then, that's a failure on your part.

RIF, dipshit. Reading is fundamental.

You may now proceed to try to catch up with reality.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2018, 10:56:57 AM
Troll

when the phillies were winning, you were all about the exciting vibrant "Phitin' phils, yet when they gagged in August you stopped posting about them and by season's end you were all about baseball is dyin and is boring.

no one has denied baseball has some issues about the game and has had issues for years.

But what you miss is your blatant hypocrisy.

Whats funny is that the Sox played exciting baseball', they put the ball in play, played hit and run, stole bases, hit for power, played very good defense and had reasonably good pitching,

and proved they were the best team in baseball.

and they were fun and played with an attitude and are young.

If you had a clue about baseball or really liked it, you would recognize those Facts, but instead your head is so far up your ass and your prjeudice and obsession so pronounced you miss the fun and  the sport of the sport.

And if you don't like baseball as it is, find something else until the phillies miraculously save the game.

in the meantime at least you have your cluelessness and hypocrisy to insulate yourself

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2018, 08:41:26 PM
No doubt baseball is better when the Padres are good.

I'll wait that out and enjoy it, meanwhile.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2018, 11:12:54 PM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25180505/2018-gold-glove-winners (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25180505/2018-gold-glove-winners)

Gold Glove Winners

POS.        AL                           NL
C   Salvador Perez, Royals   Yadier Molina, Cardinals
1B   Matt Olson, Athletics   Freddie Freeman/Anthony Rizzo
2B   Ian Kinsler, Red Sox   DJ LeMahieu, Rockies
SS   Andrelton Simmons, Angels   Nick Ahmed, Diamondbacks
3B   Matt Chapman, Athletics   Nolan Arenado, Rockies
LF   Alex Gordon, Royals   Corey Dickerson, Pirates
CF   Jackie Bradley Jr., Red Sox   Ender Inciarte, Braves
RF   Mookie Betts, Red Sox   Nick Markakis, Braves
P   Dallas Keuchel, Astros   Zack Greinke, Diamondbacks

I'm glad JBJ finally got official recognition of his defensive brilliance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 07, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Joke award. Proof? Ian Kinsler.

'Nuff said.

Meanwhile, curious to see what MLB does regarding it's trade deadlines.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 07, 2018, 10:46:52 AM
Troll

when the phillies were winning, you were all about the exciting vibrant "Phitin' phils, yet when they gagged in August you stopped posting about them and by season's end you were all about baseball is dyin and is boring.

no one has denied baseball has some issues about the game and has had issues for years.

But what you miss is your blatant hypocrisy.

Whats funny is that the Sox played exciting baseball', they put the ball in play, played hit and run, stole bases, hit for power, played very good defense and had reasonably good pitching,

and proved they were the best team in baseball.

and they were fun and played with an attitude and are young.

If you had a clue about baseball or really liked it, you would recognize those Facts, but instead your head is so far up your ass and your prjeudice and obsession so pronounced you miss the fun and  the sport of the sport.

And if you don't like baseball as it is, find something else until the phillies miraculously save the game.

in the meantime at least you have your cluelessness and hypocrisy to insulate yourself

SSDD

Too bad you can't separate the message from the messenger. You might begin to grasp the sport's real problems.

Might.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 07, 2018, 11:20:39 AM
Ys bring back CC on 1 yr deal.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25199467/cc-sabathia-new-york-yankees-agree-one-year-contract (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25199467/cc-sabathia-new-york-yankees-agree-one-year-contract)

The New York Yankees have reached an agreement to bring back veteran pitcher CC Sabathia on a one-year, $8 million deal, according to ESPN and multiple reports.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 07, 2018, 04:42:01 PM
Joke award. Proof? Ian Kinsler.

'Nuff said.

Meanwhile, curious to see what MLB does regarding it's trade deadlines.

3-time pennant winner Kinsler adds World Champ to resume

Will surpass 200 hits next season.  4 time All Star

2 GG

1850 runs produced in 1800 games

100 runs six times

20 HR 5 times

30 HR 2 times

.775 SB %

57.3 WAR

40.4  WAR7

Hall?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 07, 2018, 05:34:49 PM
Joke award. Proof? Ian Kinsler.

'Nuff said.

Meanwhile, curious to see what MLB does regarding it's trade deadlines.

3-time pennant winner Kinsler adds World Champ to resume

Will surpass 200 hits next season.  4 time All Star

2 GG

1850 runs produced in 1800 games

100 runs six times

20 HR 5 times

30 HR 2 times

.775 SB %

57.3 WAR

40.4  WAR7

Hall?

Which has to do with the Gold Glove, how?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 08, 2018, 07:32:46 PM
Meanwhile, Craig Carton going to jail. Ha!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2018, 12:43:24 PM
In which Bill James becomes senile:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1930130002 (https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/1930130002)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 09, 2018, 03:45:42 PM
James lost his fastball and went to his screwball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 09, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
Cool stuff about JD helping other Sox hitters

But even THAT shouldnt get him 2 Silver Sluggers in one year.

Jeeeeeeeez
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2018, 10:44:36 AM
Agree

seems dumb.

But a guy who earned 2 Silver Bats really should be a voter's option as AL MVP finalist.

I'd vote for Betts, but Martinez IMO is a worthy candidate
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2018, 10:50:30 AM
Joe Mauer calling it quits.

After his firsr 4-5 years seemed HoF was his destination.

But unfortunately a concussion changed his career and travel plans.

Always liked Joe Mauer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 10, 2018, 06:19:37 PM
Cool stuff about JD helping other Sox hitters

But even THAT shouldnt get him 2 Silver Sluggers in one year.

Jeeeeeeeez

I foresee a rule change in the near future.

And none too soon.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 12, 2018, 07:23:47 PM
Ohtani-San!!

Congrats to Osuna as well.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 12, 2018, 07:39:03 PM
Ohtani-San!!

Congrats to Osuna as well.
Acuna.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 14, 2018, 08:16:08 PM
So, Jake DeGromme is handed a Cy Young, and he did not even have the most wins on his team!

Fucking joke. BBWAA is LOST!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 14, 2018, 08:43:56 PM
But he probably has his name mispelled more often than any other candidate.

I probably would have gone with Scherzer than deGrom.

But congrats to DeGromme and the Ray's Blake Snell.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 14, 2018, 09:55:26 PM
But he probably has his name mispelled more often than any other candidate.

I probably would have gone with Scherzer than deGrom.

But congrats to DeGromme and the Ray's Blake Snell.

Snell deserves his. Jake the Fake? Uh, no. A joke.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 15, 2018, 08:36:09 AM
Nola gets zero second place votes

But a nice year for the up and comer.  Hope he sticks around a while
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 10:34:18 AM
deGrom, Scherzer and Nola all faced the Sox this year, Sox won all 3 games, (all were 1-run games, only Scherzer took the L) and IMO Nola pitched the best game of the 3 NL starters.  He impressed me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 15, 2018, 10:50:11 AM
Without diving into numbers the way Kiid does, it strikes me that if these same voters were choosing in the AL in 2016, Verlander (or Kluber) would have gotten the nod over Porcello. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 12:10:03 PM
just took a quick look (real quick) at '16, and the #s for Porello/verlander/Kluber were all close, (ERA, ERA+, WHIP) with Verlander and Kluber having having more Ks (but also more walks) than Verlander, Porcello's record of "22-4" was noticeably better and a real differentiator.

Porcello's CY win sort of reminds me of Bob Welch over Clemens in '90. IMO Clemens was the best pitcher in baseball that year, but its hard to ignore 27 wins.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 15, 2018, 12:59:12 PM
Without diving into numbers the way Kiid does, it strikes me that if these same voters were choosing in the AL in 2016, Verlander (or Kluber) would have gotten the nod over Porcello.

Which confirms my opinion that the writers have no business creating the news and handing out awards in this sport or any other.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 07:37:08 PM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288064/mookie-betts-beats-mike-trout-jose-ramirez-win-american-league-mvp (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288064/mookie-betts-beats-mike-trout-jose-ramirez-win-american-league-mvp)



Mookie Betts couldn't draw up a dream season much more perfect than this: a batting title, a 30/30 campaign, a World Series championship and now the American League MVP award.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 15, 2018, 07:44:28 PM
and Yelich snags the NL MVP

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288187/christian-yelich-milwaukee-brewers-named-national-league-mvp (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25288187/christian-yelich-milwaukee-brewers-named-national-league-mvp)

Yelich topped fellow finalists Nolan Arenado of the Colorado Rockies and Javier Baez of the Chicago Cubs when the winner was announced Thursday. He received 29 of 30 first-place votes and 415 points. The other first-place vote went to New York Mets pitcher Jacob deGrom, the NL Cy Young Award winner, who finished fifth.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 16, 2018, 01:10:01 AM
http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/25278064/red-sox-reward-manager-alex-cora-extension-2021

1  year? I suspect the money was the bigger reason for the new deal - I hope he did very well.

I'm in favor of keeping him around. I wonder if the Yankees are giving an extension and raise to Aaron Boone!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2018, 05:05:28 PM
Evil Empire 3?

If anyone had any doubt about Philadelphia Phillies owner John Middleton’s intentions this winter, he made it abundantly clear before leaving the Major League Baseball owners’ meetings.

“We’re going into this expecting to spend money,’’ Middleton told USA TODAY Sports. “And maybe even be a little bit stupid about it.’’

Middleton laughed, then said without smiling: “We just prefer not to be completely stupid."

But, oh, how they will be spending.

Yes, he is talking about you, Bryce Harper and Manny Machado.

The Phillies have just $68.9 million on the books in 2019, according to salary information obtained by USA TODAY Sports. That figure drops to $50.68 million in 2020 and plummets to $15.1 million in 2021.

“It’s exciting to contemplate what we may be able to do this off-season,’’ Middleton said. “We know the free agent class this year is really, really good.’’

Could they spend in excess of $700 million to land the two biggest fish in the free-agent sea?

“I don’t know who you’re referring to,’’ Middleton said, with a laugh. “But we will be spending.’’


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/11/16/phillies-free-agency-bryce-harper-manny-machado/2016945002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2018/11/16/phillies-free-agency-bryce-harper-manny-machado/2016945002/)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2018, 06:24:41 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 16, 2018, 06:53:26 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ in a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball like is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

The author of the Silent Gondoliers expressed his remorse at Goldman's impending death.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2018, 09:48:21 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

I see you still have a diminished capacity to comprehend what was clearly put forth.

You're brain is dead.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2018, 09:59:11 PM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

I see you still have a diminished capacity to comprehend what was clearly put forth.

You're brain is dead.

What you put forth?

you made it perfectly clear

1-Baseball is a dead boring sport

and

2-the Phillies hope to be only a little bit stupid this year.

As opposed to presumably the crushing penalty of Utley-level stupid they've labored under for years.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 16, 2018, 10:13:10 PM
Sox resign WS MVP Pearce  1/6 deal.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 17, 2018, 10:07:45 AM
throwing hundreds of millions of $$$ at a dead sport?

that might be a definition of being "a little bit stupid"

Hopefully for the Phillies and their fans sake baseball is not all dead, but only mostly dead.

RIP William Goldman

I see you still have a diminished capacity to comprehend what was clearly put forth.

You're brain is dead.

What you put forth?

you made it perfectly clear

1-Baseball is a dead boring sport

and

2-the Phillies hope to be only a little bit stupid this year.

As opposed to presumably the crushing penalty of Utley-level stupid they've labored under for years.

SSDD

With each post,office you're compounding your own stupidity, dope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 17, 2018, 11:58:25 AM
Fox re-ups with MLB

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/sports/mlb-fox-tv-deal.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/15/sports/mlb-fox-tv-deal.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fbaseball&action=click&contentCollection=baseball&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront)

Major League Baseball and Fox Sports announced they had extended their national television rights agreement. The terms were not disclosed, but two people with direct knowledge of the deal said it was for seven years, through the 2028 season, and $5.1 billion.

That is a significant increase over the current deal with Fox, which expires after the 2021 season and was for eight years and $4.2 billion, according to the Sports Business Journal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 17, 2018, 05:19:55 PM
700 mil

heh

Please stop with the ridiculous figures.

I have Met fams wanting to offer Machado 400.  Please.  Dont be an idiot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2018, 06:40:30 PM
So I was watching Showtime's "Ray Donovan" last night, (a lot of bad acting but fun) and in a closing scene, after Ray beats the shit out of a bad guy with a baseball bat, he's asked by his daughter's fiancee, why he uses a wood bat, as studies have shown aluminum get at least 5% more distance.

and Ray answers, “Did Carlton Fisk use fucking aluminum when he won Game 6? No. Fucking wood.”

It cracked up.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 20, 2018, 10:00:06 AM
Big Maple leaving Seattle very tough to believe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 26, 2018, 04:44:21 PM
Braves make their move:

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-braves-3b-donaldson-agree-one-deal-200447177--mlb.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-braves-3b-donaldson-agree-one-deal-200447177--mlb.html)

Donaldson is an excellent pick-up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on November 26, 2018, 04:53:55 PM
Met fans immediately scream, "why didn't we give him 25?"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 27, 2018, 09:57:18 PM
Pete Rose belongs in the Hall of Fame.

There are no more excuses.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-officially-gets-gambling-business-now-thinks-slow-pace-selling-point-235539208.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-officially-gets-gambling-business-now-thinks-slow-pace-selling-point-235539208.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 02, 2018, 05:42:00 PM
4 team race in NL East.

Robby Cano.  Don't Ya Know?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2018, 10:21:17 PM
Mets history with aging second basemen is not good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 03, 2018, 12:41:37 AM
Mets history with aging second basemen is not good.

That's the current mythology, yes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2018, 03:57:13 PM
Mets history with aging second basemen is not good.

That's the current mythology, yes.

If by mythology you mean history, you'd be correct.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2018, 03:58:31 PM
Segura rumored to approve trade to Philly. Phil's still in on Machado and Harper.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 03, 2018, 04:51:50 PM
No

They added Segura when they could NOT get Machado.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2018, 04:53:52 PM
No

They added Segues when they could NOT get Machado.
.

Probably should upgrade your sources. And your spell checker.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 03, 2018, 06:08:17 PM
Sources?  The ones saying Phil's will try to convince Manny to play third?

Yeah.  That's what killed it.

If they were anywhere close with Manny Segura deal would have been put way back burner.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 03, 2018, 07:38:33 PM
For the next 4 years it will be fun reminding Phil's fans they had no interest in surrendering prospects for Edwin Diaz.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2018, 11:21:58 PM
Sources?  The ones saying Phil's will try to convince Manny to play third?

Yeah.  That's what killed it.

If they were anywhere close with Manny Segura deal would have been put way back burner.

Like I said. Get better sources.

...sources said the Phillies still want Machado, which NBC Sports Philadelphia first reported over the weekend.

Why? Well, because the Phillies love him, despite his 2018 postseason transgressions and "Johnny Hustle" comments. They think they can make a Machado-Segura infield work, too. Machado is a brilliant third baseman -- many believe he is much better at third base than shortstop -- so the Phillies could try to convince him to play there. Of course, he prefers shortstop, but perhaps a record-setting contract of $300 million or more can change his mind.

If Machado is dead-set on shortstop, the Phillies could move Segura to second base. Segura played the entire 2016 season there with the D-backs and enjoyed his best season, leading the National League with 203 hits and finishing 13th for NL MVP.

In that scenario, the Phillies would have to trade second baseman Cesar Hernandez. That would not be a problem, if it meant Machado or no Machado. Philadelphia might have tried to trade Hernandez this offseason anyway, because doing so would have allowed Scott Kingery to move back to his natural position. Instead, Kingery could return to the super-utility role the club envisioned before Crawford got hurt last season.


https://www.mlb.com/phillies/news/phillies-still-in-for-machado-harper/c-301405234 (https://www.mlb.com/phillies/news/phillies-still-in-for-machado-harper/c-301405234)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 04, 2018, 10:56:26 AM
Same source.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 04, 2018, 11:16:45 AM
Harper makes more sense.  Not sure where Bryce is leaning now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 04, 2018, 11:29:50 AM
I still see Harper with the Nationals or Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 04, 2018, 01:31:07 PM
I still see Harper with the Nationals or Yankees.

Cashman read the road wrong.  Without Stanton Harper would be perfect.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 04, 2018, 02:16:01 PM
I think the Yankees are entering a not caring about money stage at this point.  And I see Harper as a perfect first baseman. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 04, 2018, 04:06:21 PM
Corbin reportedly going to Nats on 6 yr deal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 04, 2018, 04:12:33 PM
6 years is a long-time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 04, 2018, 04:24:52 PM
yup

you want years 1-2-3 you gotta buy the back-end too

reportedly 6/140

cost of Eovaldi just went up.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 04, 2018, 06:03:16 PM
Cough......140 mil.......cough
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 04, 2018, 09:27:59 PM
6 years ...

Yankz and Phil's geve 5.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 04, 2018, 10:36:31 PM
I think the Yankees are entering a not caring about (PROSPECTS) stage at this point. 

Fixed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 05, 2018, 07:42:51 PM
Mets optimists talking additions of Miller, Pollock AND Realmuto

Whew.  Easy, boys.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 05, 2018, 09:15:39 PM
RSox rumored to be close to resigning Eovaldi

4/68 was the # mentioned.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 06, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
RSox rumored to be close to resigning Eovaldi

4/68 was the # mentioned.

That would surprise a lot of pundits.

Reason enough for him to do it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 06, 2018, 10:02:20 AM
Rosenthal: pending physical, Evo back to Sox a done deal.

#s not reported yet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 06, 2018, 02:20:23 PM
The Goldschmidt move is an interesting one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 06, 2018, 06:46:52 PM
The proverbial "good deal for both clubs"

Kelly is a guy I saw as a breakout candidate but of course blocked by the immortal Yadi.

Could Mets have had a similar package for Syndergaard if they tossed in Frazier?

Likely not.  But thought provoking.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 10, 2018, 10:00:50 AM
Wow.  Harold Baines and Lee Smith made the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2018, 11:48:10 AM
I can honestly say that not once did I ever watch Harold Baines play and think, "there goes a hall of famer".

I don't think he should make the Hall of Great

maybe the Hall of Good.

harumph!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 10, 2018, 12:15:06 PM
His selection strengthens Dwight Evans candidacy if you care.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2018, 12:22:42 PM
I thought Evans was Hall of Very Good worthy.

Baines may be your new Rabbit Maranville
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 10, 2018, 12:26:30 PM
Rabbit Maranville will always be my Rabbit Maranville unless and until somebody like Bucky Dent goes in. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 10, 2018, 12:27:04 PM
His selection strengthens Dwight Evans candidacy if you care.
Not sure why Baines over Will Clark or Joe Carter, let alone Evans or Albert Belle. Well, ok, Baines was never a solid gold ill-hearted full bore asshole, but still.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 10, 2018, 12:34:35 PM
I'm actually not a huge fan of Lee Smith being in the Hall of Fame, either, but I suppose I can be convinced about him. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2018, 04:46:14 PM
I wouldn't have voted for Smith, but at least a case can be made for the guy.

I don't see the case for Baines.

Just took a look, and he only got 6% of the vote when he was eligible.

If they're going to let the Vets committee let their buddies in, they should put in some qualifiers, like receiving a minimum of 65% of BBWAA HoF votes.

His election is a sham.

And he will by default become the new Rabbit!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 10, 2018, 05:44:55 PM
% when eligible isnt pertinent.

These committees were formed for that reason - to find overlooed guys

I know there are many anti-Biggio guys, so this wont hold water with them - but my thought on Baines when he played was to watch that countdown to 3000

And I find 134 hits negligible.  Great hitter for a long time.  Was actually better statistically after age 30.

Maybe hold on to "THESE NEW COMMITTEES ARE SILLY" - that would speak to the issue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 10, 2018, 05:46:56 PM
Anti-Baines guys have plenty to go on

100 runs - never
40 2B - never
30 HR - never
75 BB - never
Black ink - (led league)    ONE (SLG)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 10, 2018, 05:52:36 PM
If Baines is in because of his bat alone (while he was a decent OF he essentially didn't wear a glove the last 10 years of his career) then Edgar seems the easiest of slam dunks.

It seems that Baines, oddly, benefitted from falling out of the regular selection process so soon.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 10, 2018, 05:56:22 PM
Was Edgar on the list of players/managers/execs for this particular committee to vote YES on?

Not sure he was.  BELLE was - might better use him for your point.

These new committees will certainly slant toward the Hall becoming more inclusive.

Like I said - hate the fact the committees even exist, if you so choose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2018, 05:59:54 PM
% when eligible isnt pertinent.

These committees were formed for that reason - to find overlooed guys



% vote is certainly pertinent as its an accurate yardstick of how he was measured when he was eligible to be voted for the Hall.

And he wasn't overlooked, but only 1 of 16 voters (at most) thought his 20+ year career was worthy of Hof enshrinement.

If he got 66% rather than 6% you might take it to the next level, but he was rejected by the generally accepted protocol, and 94% of the voters.

This seeming act of cronyism cheapens the HoF.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 10, 2018, 06:00:56 PM
This seeming act of cronyism cheapens the HoF.

And we're back to Rabbit Maranville.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2018, 06:05:57 PM
I read elsewhere that Harold had a lot of support on the "Era Committee" from a past owner, gm who traded for him, managers, and some ex-teamates who all thought he was a great guy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 10, 2018, 06:11:53 PM
Was Edgar on the list of players/managers/execs for this particular committee to vote YES on?

Not sure he was.  BELLE was - might better use him for your point.

These new committees will certainly slant toward the Hall becoming more inclusive.

Like I said - hate the fact the committees even exist, if you so choose.
Martinez is still on the real ballot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 11, 2018, 08:11:44 AM
Syndergaard to Yanks setting NY afire...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 11, 2018, 03:50:51 PM
Syndergaard to Yanks setting NY afire...

But out on the Bryce Harper sweeps. Still discussing Manny M.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2018, 03:52:21 PM
Nobody is out on anybody. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2018, 04:06:07 PM
And for the record, I'm not all that excited about the Yankees giving up Andujar and whoever else for Syndergaard, who has hardly been a paradigm of durability.  Though I guess this is another thing I can be convinced about.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 11, 2018, 10:30:09 PM
How many of the other projected 149 major league starters is Syndergaard better than?

And three years control at probably 25 mil...

For Andujar and fluff?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2018, 10:46:13 PM
I'd say he's one of the top 10 pitchers in baseball. I'd also say that he might not have the world's greatest mechanics and has been hurt each of the last two seasons.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 12, 2018, 07:20:46 AM
Was Edgar on the list of players/managers/execs for this particular committee to vote YES on?

Not sure he was.  BELLE was - might better use him for your point.

These new committees will certainly slant toward the Hall becoming more inclusive.

Like I said - hate the fact the committees even exist, if you so choose.
Martinez is still on the real ballot.
Well...there you go

The  committee is opining that

A-  Baines was better than you all think

and

B -  the Hall should be more inclusive, especially in class.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 12, 2018, 08:26:09 AM
And "we're" opining that A & B are wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 12, 2018, 11:11:38 AM
Happ(y) to be back?

The lefty and the Yankees are in serious talks about a return to the Bronx, The Post’s Joel Sherman confirmed, and the conversations appear to be nearing the finish line. The hangup is that Happ, 36, wants three years, while the Yankees prefer two.

The Post reported Tuesday night that the Phillies were gaining momentum in talks with Happ on a three-year deal.


https://nypost.com/2018/12/12/yankees-close-to-getting-j-a-happ-back/ (https://nypost.com/2018/12/12/yankees-close-to-getting-j-a-happ-back/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 12, 2018, 11:26:30 AM
It's not my money, but if I were the Yankees I'd give him the third year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 12, 2018, 01:08:16 PM
Sounds like Cashman upped his offer to 3 years.

Philles should go to 3 1/2.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 12, 2018, 01:59:01 PM
Good back and forth today on High Heat, between Chris Russo and Tony LaRussa re:  Baines
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 12, 2018, 02:43:48 PM
Good back and forth today on High Heat, between Chris Russo and Tony LaRussa re:  Baines

Heard it. Wish he would have asked LaRussa this, especially after LaRussa referenced statistics.

Um, Tony, how do you feel about being in the HOF, when you had all those players who used PEDs? Was your winning percentage as a manager as good as managers who never had those types of players? And Tony, now that MLB is taking money for gambling operations, should Pete Rose be allowed into the Hall?

Bottom line, I have no issue with guys like Baines in the Hall of Fame, since it's always been a kiss-the-writers'-asses situation. Just ask Eddie Murray and Dick Allen.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 12, 2018, 02:47:36 PM
Keuchel and Morton. Where will they go?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 12, 2018, 02:56:11 PM
Good back and forth today on High Heat, between Chris Russo and Tony LaRussa re:  Baines

Heard it. Wish he would have asked LaRussa this, especially after LaRussa referenced statistics.

Um, Tony, how do you feel about being in the HOF, when you had all those players who used PEDs? Was your winning percentage as a manager as good as managers who never had those types of players? And Tony, now that MLB is taking money for gambling operations, should Pete Rose be allowed into the Hall?

Bottom line, I have no issue with guys like Baines in the Hall of Fame, since it's always been a kiss-the-writers'-asses situation. Just ask Eddie Murray and Dick Allen.
Huh?  Eddie Murray's in the Hall-of-Fame and made it on the first ballot.  And was the opposite of a kiss the writer's ass type of guy. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 12, 2018, 03:00:54 PM
No, the writers hated him. Period. You'd have to admit that.

Bottom line, writers have no business being involved with the HOF. They are creating the news, then, not reporting it.

No integrity in the entire process.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 12, 2018, 03:07:20 PM
Yes the writers hated him.  But they voted him into the Hall-of-Fame.  Your suggestion was that the writers were using their love/hate of certain players, you used Allen and Murray as examples, to keep them out of the Hall.  That wasn't the case with Murray.

And I agree.  I don't think news, i.e., Hall of Fame selection, should be made by people who are supposed to report on the news.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 12, 2018, 06:41:36 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 08:34:00 AM
Brody must have missed the World Series

Mets give Familia 30 mil as Joe Kelly gets 25

Bring back Minaya and Team Latino reboot sure to follow

(Watch Ramos or Grandal be next)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 09:42:06 AM
Adios Joe "Fight Club" Kelly

to LAD 3/25

Sox seem to have a couple of late inning jobs open.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 11:07:03 AM
Kimba wants 17 mil per

With the Familia signing I think he might get it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 01:00:21 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news, which is exactly what they are doing when they hand out awards based on rules they created, as well.

Proof of that is how media outlets like the NYTimes do not allow their writers to participate in such voting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 01:03:09 PM
Yes the writers hated him.  But they voted him into the Hall-of-Fame.  Your suggestion was that the writers were using their love/hate of certain players, you used Allen and Murray as examples, to keep them out of the Hall.  That wasn't the case with Murray.

And I agree.  I don't think news, i.e., Hall of Fame selection, should be made by people who are supposed to report on the news.

You inferred what I didn't write, regarding Murray. Still, 15% of the writers didn't vote for him. Of that group, none were compelled to explain why.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 01:04:51 PM
Hell, Cy Young got only 76% of the vote, and he has an award named after him! Today's voters would have left them off the ballot.

We could hear it now:

"Sure, 511 wins is something. But he did it over 22 years. He's a compiler. And besides wins don't tell you how good a pitcher really is...."

I think Baines being picked by the committee was their view that longevity and high performance should be considered and rewarded.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 01:10:20 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news.

They're reporters who write about baseball.

They are giving their opinion on the subject they are probably 1) more qualified AND 2) less conflicted

than any other singular population to give an opinion.

And given the tiny handful of errors, real and imagined, they may have made as a group, over the past 80 years (whatever) its hard to believe any other group would do as good and unbiased a job.

Given that it takes at least 375 like opinions (75% of 500) on the same player, the "make the news" argument is just not very well thought out position.



 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 01:11:50 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news.

They're reporters who write about baseball.

They are giving their opinion on the subject they are probably 1) more qualified AND 2) less conflicted

than any other singular population to give an opinion.

And given a the tiny handful of errors, real and imagined, they may have made as a group, its hard to believe any other group would do as good and unbiased a job.

Given that it takes at least 375 like opinions (75% of 500) on the same player, the "make the news" argument is just not very well thought out position.

I adjusted my post above. And clarified my argument, demonstrating how you are indeed, wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 01:20:35 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news.

They're reporters who write about baseball.

They are giving their opinion on the subject they are probably 1) more qualified AND 2) less conflicted

than any other singular population to give an opinion.

And given a the tiny handful of errors, real and imagined, they may have made as a group, its hard to believe any other group would do as good and unbiased a job.

Given that it takes at least 375 like opinions (75% of 500) on the same player, the "make the news" argument is just not very well thought out position.

I adjusted my post above. And clarified my argument, demonstrating how you are indeed, wrong.

We disagree.

Big surprise.

Writers as a diverse population are more objective and less conflicted than owners, managers, past teamamates.

Case in point Jerry Reinsdorf, and Tony LaRussa championed and persuaded Baines-era players to elect Baines.

Only 6% of the BBWAA writers/voters who watched him play thought thought him a good candidate.

There was no Baines conspiracy to kee[ Baines out, No one really thought he was a compelling HoF player.

Listening to most callers/pundits for the past couple of days, Baines election is getting killed.

the consensus: Nice guy, good player but he doesn't belong in the Hof.

And troll the only thing you clarified was you were wrong again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 01:32:46 PM
Still on Baines?

I liked LaRussa's answer on AL Oliver

Russo:  "Is Baines better than Oliver"?

LaRissa:  "Oliver wasn't better than Baines"

Joe Beningo's silliness appears on FAN today, as he says, "if Baines is in Staub is in"

LaRussa's stance is strengthened vs Russo if you listen to the part re:  Alan Trammel.

(Buckner also mention on Evan and Joe's show.  But statistically, like Oliver and Staub Billy Buck was behind Harold.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 01:54:58 PM
Baines selection is going to lead to never-ending "whataboutism". 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 02:20:40 PM
Baines selection is going to lead to never-ending "whataboutism".

you are probably right yank. we aee destined for that "Rabbit" hole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 02:49:02 PM
Paul O'Neill!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 03:00:48 PM
Another guy way short
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 03:19:36 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news.

They're reporters who write about baseball.

They are giving their opinion on the subject they are probably 1) more qualified AND 2) less conflicted

than any other singular population to give an opinion.

And given a the tiny handful of errors, real and imagined, they may have made as a group, its hard to believe any other group would do as good and unbiased a job.

Given that it takes at least 375 like opinions (75% of 500) on the same player, the "make the news" argument is just not very well thought out position.

I adjusted my post above. And clarified my argument, demonstrating how you are indeed, wrong.

We disagree.

Big surprise.

Writers as a diverse population are more objective and less conflicted than owners, managers, past teamamates.

Case in point Jerry Reinsdorf, and Tony LaRussa championed and persuaded Baines-era players to elect Baines.

Only 6% of the BBWAA writers/voters who watched him play thought thought him a good candidate.

There was no Baines conspiracy to kee[ Baines out, No one really thought he was a compelling HoF player.

Listening to most callers/pundits for the past couple of days, Baines election is getting killed.

the consensus: Nice guy, good player but he doesn't belong in the Hof.

And troll the only thing you clarified was you were wrong again.

There you go again, with insults. You do that whenever you know you're either wrong, or have overstated your case. In this case, you've done both.

I've already proved why it's wrong for writers to create the news.

 But here's more. They should not be involved in award giving.

The writers are impacting what players earn., Both on and off the field.

Can you "conflict on interest"?

Don't just take my word for it.

Others recognize this wrong you are too willing to defend: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65)

Thanks for playing, but you lost another one.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 03:59:31 PM
Another guy way short
If you say so.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 04:55:32 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news.

They're reporters who write about baseball.

They are giving their opinion on the subject they are probably 1) more qualified AND 2) less conflicted

than any other singular population to give an opinion.

And given a the tiny handful of errors, real and imagined, they may have made as a group, its hard to believe any other group would do as good and unbiased a job.

Given that it takes at least 375 like opinions (75% of 500) on the same player, the "make the news" argument is just not very well thought out position.

I adjusted my post above. And clarified my argument, demonstrating how you are indeed, wrong.

We disagree.

Big surprise.

Writers as a diverse population are more objective and less conflicted than owners, managers, past teamamates.

Case in point Jerry Reinsdorf, and Tony LaRussa championed and persuaded Baines-era players to elect Baines.

Only 6% of the BBWAA writers/voters who watched him play thought thought him a good candidate.

There was no Baines conspiracy to kee[ Baines out, No one really thought he was a compelling HoF player.

Listening to most callers/pundits for the past couple of days, Baines election is getting killed.

the consensus: Nice guy, good player but he doesn't belong in the Hof.

And troll the only thing you clarified was you were wrong again.

There you go again, with insults. You do that whenever you know you're either wrong, or have overstated your case. In this case, you've done both.

I've already proved why it's wrong for writers to create the news.

 But here's more. They should not be involved in award giving.

The writers are impacting what players earn., Both on and off the field.

Can you "conflict on interest"?

Don't just take my word for it.

Others recognize this wrong you are too willing to defend: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65)

Thanks for playing, but you lost another one.

Troll

Pointing out you are wrong is not an insult but rather an amply supported fact.

Objectivy and knowledge about the game are to me the needed criteria for HoF voters. IMO the BBWAA supplies both those better than any other single voter group.

The Baines election was pure cronyism by voters with varying degrees of conflicts of interest and personal interests.

This tainted election process has been mocked the last few days as its obvious flaws exposed for most to see,

A diverse group of 500 reporters and writers voting five (5) plus years from the candidates retirement have no such direct conflicts or biases.

In general they bring knowlwedge gained from years of watching the game and modest side issues which could cloud neutral assessments.

I understand that you do not understand, but trust me when I say your intellectual short-comings and inability to construct a coherent argument supporting your postion should not be a permanent barrier to you learning.

Asking questions might be a good way for you to to start.

And troll if you bothered to read the article you lnked to

here was the most important sentence in the article.

There may not be a more qualified group (BBWAA) to vote on players’ credentials for the Hall or for MVP, Cy Young honors, etc.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 05:08:12 PM
I don't believe the argument that sportswriters shouldn't be voting (which is more of an argument about journalism) is an argument that a special select committee of the type selecting Baines should be.  I think the silliness of Baines' choice is obvious.  I also think that the large group of sportswriters who believe that that they know who used PEDs and/or can thread the needle in determining how much such PED use enhanced a players' candidacy are, in fact, biased, and ignorant of the games' history where cheaters often prospered.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 05:33:28 PM
Another guy way short
If you say so.

Sheffield* and Beltran are the names you are looking for
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 05:41:39 PM
Those guys were obviously better than Baines.  O'Neill's name was tossed out because he's close enough to merit the "whatabout" silliness that a pick like Baines is going to create.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 06:08:22 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news.

They're reporters who write about baseball.

They are giving their opinion on the subject they are probably 1) more qualified AND 2) less conflicted

than any other singular population to give an opinion.

And given a the tiny handful of errors, real and imagined, they may have made as a group, its hard to believe any other group would do as good and unbiased a job.

Given that it takes at least 375 like opinions (75% of 500) on the same player, the "make the news" argument is just not very well thought out position.

I adjusted my post above. And clarified my argument, demonstrating how you are indeed, wrong.

We disagree.

Big surprise.

Writers as a diverse population are more objective and less conflicted than owners, managers, past teamamates.

Case in point Jerry Reinsdorf, and Tony LaRussa championed and persuaded Baines-era players to elect Baines.

Only 6% of the BBWAA writers/voters who watched him play thought thought him a good candidate.

There was no Baines conspiracy to kee[ Baines out, No one really thought he was a compelling HoF player.

Listening to most callers/pundits for the past couple of days, Baines election is getting killed.

the consensus: Nice guy, good player but he doesn't belong in the Hof.

And troll the only thing you clarified was you were wrong again.

There you go again, with insults. You do that whenever you know you're either wrong, or have overstated your case. In this case, you've done both.

I've already proved why it's wrong for writers to create the news.

 But here's more. They should not be involved in award giving.

The writers are impacting what players earn., Both on and off the field.

Can you "conflict on interest"?

Don't just take my word for it.

Others recognize this wrong you are too willing to defend: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65)

Thanks for playing, but you lost another one.

Troll

Pointing out you are wrong is not an insult but rather an amply supported fact.

Objectivy and knowledge about the game are to me the needed criteria for HoF voters. IMO the BBWAA supplies both those better than any other single voter group.

The Baines election was pure cronyism by voters with varying degrees of conflicts of interest and personal interests.

This tainted election process has been mocked the last few days as its obvious flaws exposed for most to see,

A diverse group of 500 reporters and writers voting five (5) plus years from the candidates retirement have no such direct conflicts or biases.

In general they bring knowlwedge gained from years of watching the game and modest side issues which could cloud neutral assessments.

I understand that you do not understand, but trust me when I say your intellectual short-comings and inability to construct a coherent argument supporting your postion should not be a permanent barrier to you learning.

Asking questions might be a good way for you to to start.

And troll if you bothered to read the article you lnked to

here was the most important sentence in the article.

There may not be a more qualified group (BBWAA) to vote on players’ credentials for the Hall or for MVP, Cy Young honors, etc.

Your feeble attempts to belittle me, as a result of you being schooled once again as to why writers should be disqualified from any voting are as lame as your belief system that you are anyone else's superior.

That said, you've revealed that
you didn't read it completely, or you would have likely comprehended the MAJOR PART OF THE PIECE.

 Likely, though being as dense as you are, you may not fully grasp what has been so well defined.

But here's your last chance to gather in what is so plain for any normally functioning individual to understand:

The Washington Post has a long-running policy preventing its writers from voting on any and all awards. Other organizations — including the New York Times, Los Angeles Times and Baltimore Sun — have similar policies. So while these decisions were taken out of my hands for me, let’s follow a couple of examples of why we all need to pull ourselves out of these processes.

Hall of Famers, of course, make more money in retirement than really good players do. Speaking engagements, card signings, potential endorsement deals — they’re all impacted by whether a player is in the Hall. “Hall of Famer Johnny Bench” simply earns more than “former Reds catcher Johnny Bench.”

If that doesn’t seem like a direct link between a writer voting and a player’s earning potential, look at current players’ contracts. Carlos Gomez is a veteran major league outfielder who, this offseason, signed a one-year, $11.5 million contract to return to the Texas Rangers, with whom he had revitalized his career. This wasn’t a marquee signing, and it barely made much of a ripple outside of Arlington, Tex.


What also didn’t make a ripple because they’re so mainstream: clauses in Gomez’s contract that would pay him $250,000 for winning the American League MVP award, $200,000 for coming in second, down to $50,000 for placing fifth — in voting performed by two members of the BBWAA in each AL city.

Should Gomez be named the World Series MVP, he would receive $150,000. Should he be the MVP of the American League Championship Series, that’s $100,000. Both of those postseason honors have BBWAA members as part of the voting panel, joining broadcasters. Given he hit .231 and slugged .384 while splitting time between Houston and Texas in 2016, Gomez would be a candidate for comeback player of the year in 2017. That would be worth $150,000, and that, too, would be voted on by baseball writers.

So Gomez could earn $650,000 in awards voted on by the people who cover him. And he is just an example.

In some ways, these kind of pay-for-performance deals should be praised because they reward players for what they accomplish, not what they might do. The problem lies in how those accomplishments are determined. Think about it: Part of a Rangers beat writer’s job is having at least a working relationship with Gomez. What’s to prevent Gomez, at the end of a strong season, from approaching a reporter and saying, “Hey, you thinking about me for MVP?”

...the current setup assigns responsibility where it does not belong.

Part of a sportswriter’s job is to debate the historical merits of Guerrero, Rodriguez, Bagwell and the other candidates up for the Hall or argue whether Daniel Murphy or Kris Bryant should have been the National League MVP last season. Affecting the livelihoods of athletes, either during or after their careers, most certainly is not.


What you excuse, and attempt to paint as competence, is indeed NOT part of a sportswriter's job--an assertion put forth by a professional sportswriter.

You apparently don't even know what the discussion is, or you'd have the sense to shut your pie-hole, dim one.

 Once again, you missed the clearly stated arguments being against writers being involved in the HOF or for any awards for athletes.

I didn't support Baines selection, nor did I oppose it. Don't confuse the two issues.

And admit when you're wrong.

As you were again.

The beatings and your abject humiliation will continue, so best you learn to get used to it, Igor.



 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 06:18:01 PM
I don't believe the argument that sportswriters shouldn't be voting (which is more of an argument about journalism) is an argument that a special select committee of the type selecting Baines should be.  I think the silliness of Baines' choice is obvious.  I also think that the large group of sportswriters who believe that that they know who used PEDs and/or can thread the needle in determining how much such PED use enhanced a players' candidacy are, in fact, biased, and ignorant of the games' history where cheaters often prospered.

As long as people are involved any selection process will have a flaw or two.

But as the saying goes, "don't let perfect be the enemy of the good"

The BBWAA process with all its flaws may not be perfect, but it seems to work reasonably well, and a lot better than the crony committee that recently opened to doors.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 13, 2018, 06:24:52 PM
Nice recovery, Junior. You've revised your opinion.

But it doesn't change the point that writers are peddling influence of cash flowing to athletes during and after their careers, and that is just wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 06:28:18 PM
The "election" of Harold Baines to the Hall of Fame spear-headed by by an ex-employer, and former GM who traded for him, and a committee of players he played with, puts a huge magnifying glass on the massive conflict of interest and potential cronyism of  this cherry-picking selection process. While some conflicts exists in the 500+ members/voters of the BBWAA, they are redcuced by the size of the voing base and several elements of diversification and they are relatively conflict-free body, as attested that not more than 6% of the voters thought Baines was a HoF player. There are only a handful of players who have been denied votes, and largely on the grounds they were massive assholes.

and voting for the HoF is not making news per se, again reduced by the fact a minimum of 75% of the 500+ voters are required to share a like opiinion, And its a largely neutral/bias free assessment of a ballplayer's qualifications relative to other ballplayers, and certainly much more neutral and less conflicted than a former owner might be.

Thank you, Joel Sherman. But the writers cannot call themselves journalists, when they create the news.

They're reporters who write about baseball.

They are giving their opinion on the subject they are probably 1) more qualified AND 2) less conflicted

than any other singular population to give an opinion.

And given a the tiny handful of errors, real and imagined, they may have made as a group, its hard to believe any other group would do as good and unbiased a job.

Given that it takes at least 375 like opinions (75% of 500) on the same player, the "make the news" argument is just not very well thought out position.

I adjusted my post above. And clarified my argument, demonstrating how you are indeed, wrong.

We disagree.

Big surprise.

Writers as a diverse population are more objective and less conflicted than owners, managers, past teamamates.

Case in point Jerry Reinsdorf, and Tony LaRussa championed and persuaded Baines-era players to elect Baines.

Only 6% of the BBWAA writers/voters who watched him play thought thought him a good candidate.

There was no Baines conspiracy to kee[ Baines out, No one really thought he was a compelling HoF player.

Listening to most callers/pundits for the past couple of days, Baines election is getting killed.

the consensus: Nice guy, good player but he doesn't belong in the Hof.

And troll the only thing you clarified was you were wrong again.

There you go again, with insults. You do that whenever you know you're either wrong, or have overstated your case. In this case, you've done both.

I've already proved why it's wrong for writers to create the news.

 But here's more. They should not be involved in award giving.

The writers are impacting what players earn., Both on and off the field.

Can you "conflict on interest"?

Don't just take my word for it.

Others recognize this wrong you are too willing to defend: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/heres-a-vote-for-getting-sports-writers-out-of-the-balloting-process/2017/01/04/8cd4a25c-d285-11e6-9cb0-54ab630851e8_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f5cdd1943d65)

Thanks for playing, but you lost another one.

Troll

Pointing out you are wrong is not an insult but rather an amply supported fact.

Objectivy and knowledge about the game are to me the needed criteria for HoF voters. IMO the BBWAA supplies both those better than any other single voter group.

The Baines election was pure cronyism by voters with varying degrees of conflicts of interest and personal interests.

This tainted election process has been mocked the last few days as its obvious flaws exposed for most to see,

A diverse group of 500 reporters and writers voting five (5) plus years from the candidates retirement have no such direct conflicts or biases.

In general they bring knowlwedge gained from years of watching the game and modest side issues which could cloud neutral assessments.

I understand that you do not understand, but trust me when I say your intellectual short-comings and inability to construct a coherent argument supporting your postion should not be a permanent barrier to you learning.

Asking questions might be a good way for you to to start.

And troll if you bothered to read the article you lnked to

here was the most important sentence in the article.

There may not be a more qualified group (BBWAA) to vote on players’ credentials for the Hall or for MVP, Cy Young honors, etc.

Your feeble attempts to belittle me, as a result of you being schooled once again as to why writers should be disqualified from any voting are as lame as your belief system that you are anyone else's superior.

That said, you've revealed that
you didn't read it completely, or you would have likely comprehended the MAJOR PART OF THE PIECE.

 Likely, though being as dense as you are, you may not fully grasp what has been so well defined.

But here's your last chance to gather in what is so plain for any normally functioning individual to understand:

The Washington Post has a long-running policy preventing its writers from voting on any and all awards. Other organizations — including the New York Times, Los Angeles Times and Baltimore Sun — have similar policies. So while these decisions were taken out of my hands for me, let’s follow a couple of examples of why we all need to pull ourselves out of these processes.

Hall of Famers, of course, make more money in retirement than really good players do. Speaking engagements, card signings, potential endorsement deals — they’re all impacted by whether a player is in the Hall. “Hall of Famer Johnny Bench” simply earns more than “former Reds catcher Johnny Bench.”

If that doesn’t seem like a direct link between a writer voting and a player’s earning potential, look at current players’ contracts. Carlos Gomez is a veteran major league outfielder who, this offseason, signed a one-year, $11.5 million contract to return to the Texas Rangers, with whom he had revitalized his career. This wasn’t a marquee signing, and it barely made much of a ripple outside of Arlington, Tex.


What also didn’t make a ripple because they’re so mainstream: clauses in Gomez’s contract that would pay him $250,000 for winning the American League MVP award, $200,000 for coming in second, down to $50,000 for placing fifth — in voting performed by two members of the BBWAA in each AL city.

Should Gomez be named the World Series MVP, he would receive $150,000. Should he be the MVP of the American League Championship Series, that’s $100,000. Both of those postseason honors have BBWAA members as part of the voting panel, joining broadcasters. Given he hit .231 and slugged .384 while splitting time between Houston and Texas in 2016, Gomez would be a candidate for comeback player of the year in 2017. That would be worth $150,000, and that, too, would be voted on by baseball writers.

So Gomez could earn $650,000 in awards voted on by the people who cover him. And he is just an example.

In some ways, these kind of pay-for-performance deals should be praised because they reward players for what they accomplish, not what they might do. The problem lies in how those accomplishments are determined. Think about it: Part of a Rangers beat writer’s job is having at least a working relationship with Gomez. What’s to prevent Gomez, at the end of a strong season, from approaching a reporter and saying, “Hey, you thinking about me for MVP?”

...the current setup assigns responsibility where it does not belong.

Part of a sportswriter’s job is to debate the historical merits of Guerrero, Rodriguez, Bagwell and the other candidates up for the Hall or argue whether Daniel Murphy or Kris Bryant should have been the National League MVP last season. Affecting the livelihoods of athletes, either during or after their careers, most certainly is not.


What you excuse, and attempt to paint as competence, is indeed NOT part of a sportswriter's job--an assertion put forth by a professional sportswriter.

You apparently don't even know what the discussion is, or you'd have the sense to shut your pie-hole, dim one.

 Once again, you missed the clearly stated arguments being against writers being involved in the HOF or for any awards for athletes.

I didn't support Baines selection, nor did I oppose it. Don't confuse the two issues.

And admit when you're wrong.

As you were again.

The beatings and your abject humiliation will continue, so best you learn to get used to it, Igor.

You're a moron.

The article you cited as proof positive of something said of the BBWAA's involvement in HoF anf award voting:

There may not be a more qualified group (BBWAA) to vote on players’ credentials for the Hall or for MVP, Cy Young honors, etc.

No more qualified group to do this task.

Yet you continue to argue against it for some imagined and overblown fear of writers corrupting the process.

If your pea-brain could manage to balance and assess the variables of history, knowledge, diversity, realtive levels of bias, journalistic integrity, versus the risks you fear, you might also conclude the BBWAA is the best suited institution to conduct a fair HoF balloting.

Sadly troll, pour pea-brain is not up to the task.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 06:31:29 PM
Nice recovery, Junior. You've revised your opinion.

But it doesn't change the point that writers are peddling influence of cash flowing to athletes during and after their careers, and that is just wrong.

there is no revison whatsoever.

Some bias is inherant in any human endeavor.

That you do not understand basic human psychology just adds to the list of stuff you don't have a clue about.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 06:41:20 PM
Nice recovery, Junior. You've revised your opinion.

But it doesn't change the point that writers are peddling influence of cash flowing to athletes during and after their careers, and that is just wrong.

there is no revison whatsoever.

Some bias is inherant in any human endeavor.

That you do not understand basic human psychology just adds to the list of stuff you don't have a clue about.

SSDD
My view is that the bias among the writers has become more pronounced.  I think it will ease over the years.  Which is certainly not an argument for special committees.  At the same time any discussion inevitably leading to a discussion about the issue of PEDs is probably not worth having.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2018, 06:59:31 PM
Nice recovery, Junior. You've revised your opinion.

But it doesn't change the point that writers are peddling influence of cash flowing to athletes during and after their careers, and that is just wrong.

there is no revison whatsoever.

Some bias is inherant in any human endeavor.

That you do not understand basic human psychology just adds to the list of stuff you don't have a clue about.

SSDD
My view is that the bias among the writers has become more pronounced.  I think it will ease over the years.  Which is certainly not an argument for special committees.  At the same time any discussion inevitably leading to a discussion about the issue of PEDs is probably not worth having.

I would not know how to go about measuring sportswriter bias today versus 50 years ago. Other than certain biases may be more easy to discuss in polite company today than those held 50 years ago and they just seem more out in the open today. I would suspect biases change over time and will change going forward.

I think there's a good chance most of the PED guys get in. And when the last writer to have first-hand knowledge of the assholiness of Albert Belle pens his last Belle tome, Bell will get a new hearing and he may get in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 07:19:31 PM
Agreed. And perversely the admission of Baines could speed up that process.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 13, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
So you think writers change their approach just because one undeserving star snuck through for a plaque?

Doesn't make much sense to me, but you can search for such evidence and post it If you wish.

Again....LaRussa's yougottabefuckinkiddingme stance when Russo wavered on Trammel says it all.

I can imagine Baines' intangibles were every bit as impressive as Alan's.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 13, 2018, 10:53:27 PM
I don't think "Alan" should be  in either.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 14, 2018, 12:52:49 AM
Imagine my fuc king surprise.

You are hereby ordered to watch the Russo-LaRussa tussle 100 times.  Maybe eventually something sinks in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 14, 2018, 01:00:17 AM
How many years did Jeter have a 6+ WAR?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 14, 2018, 06:44:42 AM
 You go from "intangibles" to "WAR" in the space of 5 posts, from seam-head to eye-test guy. Make up your mind.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 14, 2018, 10:05:22 AM
Nice recovery, Junior. You've revised your opinion.

But it doesn't change the point that writers are peddling influence of cash flowing to athletes during and after their careers, and that is just wrong.

there is no revison whatsoever.

Some bias is inherant in any human endeavor.

That you do not understand basic human psychology just adds to the list of stuff you don't have a clue about.

SSDD
My view is that the bias among the writers has become more pronounced.  I think it will ease over the years.  Which is certainly not an argument for special committees.  At the same time any discussion inevitably leading to a discussion about the issue of PEDs is probably not worth having.

Bias is bias. If the process was defined clearly as to how to qualify for the Hall, as in, this is what you need to do on the field to qualify as a hitter, pitch, catcher, second baseman, etc, based on the aggregate statistics for those already in the HOF, the writers and the committee could be disbanded.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 14, 2018, 10:10:52 AM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 14, 2018, 04:05:10 PM
I'm thinking we've broken through some barrier.  The Orioles new manager is named "Brandon".  I sense the days of skippers named "Doc" are long gone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 14, 2018, 04:58:15 PM
I'm thinking we've broken through some barrier.  The Orioles new manager is named "Brandon".  I sense the days of skippers named "Doc" are long gone.

Cry me a rivers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 14, 2018, 05:38:41 PM
I'm thinking we've broken through some barrier.  The Orioles new manager is named "Brandon".  I sense the days of skippers named "Doc" are long gone.

Likely the term "skipper" has passed by, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 15, 2018, 10:16:57 AM
How many years did Jeter have a 6+ WAR?

Half as many as NOMAAAAH!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 10:25:33 AM
That is correct

And half as many as ALAN TRAMMEL.

Trammel, Barry Larkin and Jeter have almost identical career WAR.  (Nomar not close, of course)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 15, 2018, 11:11:09 AM
That is correct

And half as many as ALAN TRAMMEL.

Trammel, Barry Larkin and Jeter have almost identical career WAR.  (Nomar not close, of course)
.

And those three are far, far distant from Alex Rodriguez and Cal Ripken:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml)


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 11:48:20 AM
Yep

But who the hell is George Davis?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 15, 2018, 12:20:15 PM
My cousin, believe it or not. A Cleveland Spider from back in the day-day-day!

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/davisge01.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/d/davisge01.shtml)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 08:31:39 PM
Passing on a question from MLB Twitter:

Who is the best player you have seen in person?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 15, 2018, 08:58:10 PM
 I saw past their primes Mantle and Mays but I remember Yankguy, Sr. pointing them out in hushed tones.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 15, 2018, 11:48:14 PM
For me it was CLEMENTE over Bonds, Piazza and Ozzie.  But A-Rod was pretty darn fucking good, as was Doc Gooden.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 09:57:03 AM
Never saw Mays in person, but like yank saw a few alltime greats play past their primes.

As we're talking players and not hitters, (Pedro and Clemens etc. excluded for simplicity) today, I'd probably go

Aaron
Williams
Mantle

Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
Yaz

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 16, 2018, 10:39:26 AM
Passing on a question from MLB Twitter:

Who is the best player you have seen in person?
Probably Ken Griffey Jr., Alex Rodriguez or Frank Robinson. For.pitchers, Randy Johnson. I also saw Verlander's MLB debut.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 16, 2018, 10:42:46 AM
Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
Yaz
Uh... I realize he is a New England icon, but he is kind of in a non-jock holding relationship ship with the other three. It.would be like listing Kaline.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2018, 11:14:24 AM
Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
Yaz
Uh... I realize he is a New England icon, but he is kind of in a non-jock holding relationship ship with the other three. It.would be like listing Kaline.

Yaz?

I mostly threw him in for old-time and conversational sakes. But you may want to take a gander at his stats and WAR in the '67-'70 period. He AVERAGED 9.5 WAR in those 4 years, and during a time when pitching was dominant,

AND his '67 season was the single greatest year I've seen any player have in watching the game 60 years.

In terms of this discussion he belongs.

 





Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 03:11:51 PM
Peak

ARod
Frank Robby
Griffey Jr.
Yaz
Uh... I realize he is a New England icon, but he is kind of in a non-jock holding relationship ship with the other three. It.would be like listing Kaline.

Yaz?

I mostly threw him in for old-time and conversational sakes. But you may want to take a gander at his stats and WAR in the '67-'70 period. He AVERAGED 9.5 WAR in those 4 years, and during a time when pitching was dominant,

AND his '67 season was the single greatest year I've seen any player have in watching the game 60 years.

In terms of this discussion he belongs.

Forgive him.  He just doesn't know

Yaz was a compiler, after all.  Just ask Fat Mike.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 16, 2018, 10:11:17 PM
Best player... that's hard. So many. I think about guys that played well and for a long time. And won, and guys you wanted to emulate. Mays. Rose. Frank and Brooks Robinson. Clemente. Aaron. Schmidt. Griffey, Jr. Even Stargell. And Thome. Arod. Ripken. Joe Morgan, whose 1975 season outdid Yaz's.

I think I'd go with Rickey Henderson. No one put pressure on an opponent like Rickey being Rickey.

Best pitcher is hard. Gibson was fun to watch. Few could match the intensity of Carlton or Seaver or Drysdale. Marichal was a wonder to watch pitch. So was Greg Maddox. But I'd have to go with Koufax.

But we could be watching the best player of our time right now. Trout.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 16, 2018, 10:35:09 PM
Yastrzemski hit .326 to go with 44 home runs and 121 RBI, 112 runs and 189 hits, all leading the league. As a result, he was a no-brainer for the MVP award that year, and a massive 12.2 WAR was thanks to great defense as well. In 1967. Total bases 360. Ops 1.040. A great season.

Joe Morgan in 1975,  led the league with 132 walks while batting .327 with 67 stolen bases, 17 home runs and 94 RBI. That and a WAR of 12 led to his first of two MVP awards. 1.020 ops. A great season... because...

Morgan won the World Series, too.

Yaz?..uh, no. Never won.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 17, 2018, 02:31:30 PM
Yastrzemski hit .326 to go with 44 home runs and 121 RBI, 112 runs and 189 hits, all leading the league. As a result, he was a no-brainer for the MVP award that year, and a massive 12.2 WAR was thanks to great defense as well. In 1967. Total bases 360. Ops 1.040. A great season.

Joe Morgan in 1975,  led the league with 132 walks while batting .327 with 67 stolen bases, 17 home runs and 94 RBI. That and a WAR of 12 led to his first of two MVP awards. 1.020 ops. A great season... because...

Morgan won the World Series, too.

Yaz?..uh, no. Never won.

Arguing that to be a great player, one had to have won the championship?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 17, 2018, 02:48:41 PM
We call that the dummfukk take.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 17, 2018, 03:09:18 PM
I have little idea who the greatest ballplayer I ever saw in person was, largely because my memory is terrible.

I was at that 7th game of the 1975 World Series. Morgan and Yaz, of course. Pete Rose tied the game (I see, reading the game notes) in the 7th inning. I remember the pop out to end the game, but that's about it.

I was at the Vida Blue vs. Sonny Siebert game. Blue was an amazingly dynamic pitcher, but not for long enough to be the greatest pitcher I've seen, as I have been to a couple Pedro games along the way.

I had season tickets to the 1990 Red Sox. Roger Clemens, Lee Smith (whose acquisition prompted the ticket purchase), Wade Boggs. And Joe Morgan!

Oakland had Eck, Rickey, Jose (and Ozzie) Canseco, Dave Stewart, and the immortal Harold Baines. I know I saw them, in the playoffs. (I probably still have my unreturned World Series tickets from that year somewhere.)

It was not an amazing season for AL players, in terms of "greatest ever" folks. There were a few.

Griffey, Jr. was among those I got to see. I've seen ARod. That Ortiz guy once or twice. Got to see Jacoby, who we all thought was going to be great and Mookie for whom we still have great hopes. Nomah.

Easier to tell you the greatest players I ever met, as it is both a smaller number and more memorable (to me). Met Pete Rose, Johnny Bench, Sparky Anderson, and Earl Weaver in one evening, along with Derek Sanderson, who had a great swing. Met Bob Uecker and George MacDonald, the King of Baseball, in the same evening as the others.(Billy C was not as big a draw for me ass the first five names.

I had no idea at the time who "the King of Baseball" was. I knew from the Clown Prince and the Sultan of Swat, but the King? Not so much.

I met Teddy Ballgame and I think he's probably the single greatest player I ever met, but I got some quality time in with Eddie Waitkus. And Dave Engle is probably the best baseball player I was ever on the field with as a teammate. No, not too great; he was just the greatest of my dubious baseball career. His first two months of 1984 were amazing, but something happened and he never got back to that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 17, 2018, 03:18:01 PM
I think it safe to say the poster who made the WS argument doesn't understand that baseball is a team game, and one where pitching has a much greater impact of W than any single player.

Yet holding Yaz accountable for Sox failures in the WS ('67 and '75) and diminshing him for that, but not holding Trout to the same standard, seems hypocritical.

IMO the Sox facing two juggernauts in the 60s Cards and 70s Reds were huge underdogs but took both series to 7 games. And who knows maybe if Tony C  played in '67 or Rie in '75, events would have turned out different.

Our dumbfukk poster should probably take a look at Yaz's WS #s, they are better than his regulat season #s. The guy performed pretty well on the big stage.

But he may be correct the Trout may be the next best player.

If he can manage to put a 10.6 WAR year in '19, he will match the 4-year average WAR (9.5) Yaz compiled in '67-70.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 17, 2018, 04:59:58 PM
I guess you missed early Doc
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 17, 2018, 08:04:10 PM
I guess you missed early Doc

In this thread?

Yes, yes I did!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 18, 2018, 08:01:15 AM
Met the switch hitting MVP Blue.  Impressive guy.

May be spoken about much more if not for the drug thing....Keith and others got the benefit....more so....seems.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 08:17:55 AM
Yastrzemski hit .326 to go with 44 home runs and 121 RBI, 112 runs and 189 hits, all leading the league. As a result, he was a no-brainer for the MVP award that year, and a massive 12.2 WAR was thanks to great defense as well. In 1967. Total bases 360. Ops 1.040. A great season.

Joe Morgan in 1975,  led the league with 132 walks while batting .327 with 67 stolen bases, 17 home runs and 94 RBI. That and a WAR of 12 led to his first of two MVP awards. 1.020 ops. A great season... because...

Morgan won the World Series, too.

Yaz?..uh, no. Never won.

Arguing that to be a great player, one had to have won the championship?

No.

Was comparing the two great seasons in which they had 12 WAR. Topping it off with a World Series Championship adds value to that season, don't you think?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 08:54:45 AM
I think it safe to say the poster who made the WS argument doesn't understand that baseball is a team game, and one where pitching has a much greater impact of W than any single player.

Yet holding Yaz accountable for Sox failures in the WS ('67 and '75) and diminshing him for that, but not holding Trout to the same standard, seems hypocritical.

IMO the Sox facing two juggernauts in the 60s Cards and 70s Reds were huge underdogs but took both series to 7 games. And who knows maybe if Tony C  played in '67 or Rie in '75, events would have turned out different.

Our dumbfukk poster should probably take a look at Yaz's WS #s, they are better than his regulat season #s. The guy performed pretty well on the big stage.

But he may be correct the Trout may be the next best player.

If he can manage to put a 10.6 WAR year in '19, he will match the 4-year average WAR (9.5) Yaz compiled in '67-70.

Not sure why you take things so personally.

Maybe get some AMT.

If I had to win a game, any game, and I needed a key hit to keep an inning alive or to win it, and I had Yaz on the bench, in his prime, or Joe Morgan in his, I'd pick Morgan. The 5-tool player always gets precedence.

But, if you want your guy Yaz, I wouldn't take issue with it.

Ease up on the insults, now, cowboy.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 09:17:42 AM
there was nothhing personnel-I agreed with the poster who characterized your opinion as a "dumfukk" take,

and nothing you've posted since would change my mind.

btw with your recent name change you may be Elba's first 5-troll poster

or now that I start recalling them, it might be 6, 7 or 8

heh

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 09:56:07 AM
there was nothhing personnel-I agreed with the poster who characterized your opinion as a "dumfukk" take,

and nothing you've posted since would change my mind.

btw with your recent name change you may be Elba's first 5-troll poster

or now that I start recalling them, it might be 6, 7 or 8

heh

You seem to be under a lot of stress. Hope you get the help you need. Tough time of year for those dealing with depression.

Good luck.

Oh, and get a spell check app. Might help you be better understood by others.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 11:18:35 AM
there was nothhing personnel-I agreed with the poster who characterized your opinion as a "dumfukk" take,

and nothing you've posted since would change my mind.

btw with your recent name change you may be Elba's first 5-troll poster

or now that I start recalling them, it might be 6, 7 or 8

heh

You seem to be under a lot of stress. Hope you get the help you need. Tough time of year for those dealing with depression.

Good luck.

Oh, and get a spell check app. Might help you be better understood by others.

The topic under discussion was the best player you had seen personally. I took that to mean actually being in the ballpark watching them play.

I and others mentioned several players we individually thought answered the question.

Yaz was the last name I offered, and I gave reasons why he belonged in the discussion, mostly becasue he was the best player in baseball as measured by WAR in the '67-70 period. But i could have gone with multiple batting titles (3) or  OPS leader (4), GG (7), or AS appearances (18). And i had seen him and a few others personally, so he seemed like a good name to mention.

You're obssession with anti-Boston then led you to an idiotic argument about WS success diminshing Yaz as a player. and had little to do with the discussion at hand.

And it was contested by me and others.

And other than finding a few last minute stocking stuffers, stress seems under control.

I hope you enjoy "Baseball for Dummies" I found for you. It should help you understand the game.

Happy Holidays

and not that it makes a whole lot of difference, I don't know where you're getting your stats, but Yaz's WAR in '67 was 12.5, and Morgan's was 11.0 in '75.

And Yaz's 12.5 in '67 was the highest WAR since Babe Ruth's WAR in 1921 and 1923.

Yaz was that good in '67.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_season.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_bat_season.shtml)

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 12:03:48 PM
Not winning championships is a marker, just the way it is.

I don't think you invented baseball, and there is no template for being a fan of the game, so hop off the high horse, cowboy.

Meantime, you are correct, I misquoted Morgan's WAR. Used another source, and don't recall which one, at the moment.

I was perusing that baseball-reference site, though, and found another reason to rank Morgan ahead of Yaz. Check out this list:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Baseball's_100_Greatest_Players (https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Baseball's_100_Greatest_Players)

I "personally saw" (your words) the following players on that list: 

Willie Mays
 
Hank Aaron
Johnny Bench
Mickey Mantle
 
Roberto Clemente
Warren Spahn
Frank Robinson
 
Pete Rose
Sandy Koufax
 
Mike Schmidt
 
Steve Carlton
Bob Gibson
Tom Seaver
 
Barry Bonds
 
Ernie Banks
Greg Maddux
 
Nolan Ryan
 
Reggie Jackson
Tony Gwynn
 
Rickey Henderson
 
Roger Clemens
 
George Brett
Willie McCovey
 
Lou Brock
 
Joe Morgan
Rod Carew
 
Eddie Mathews
Jim Palmer
 
 
Harmon Killebrew
 
Juan Marichal
Carl Yastrzemski
 
Al Kaline
Eddie Murray
Cal Ripken, Jr.
 
Brooks Robinson
Willie Stargell
 
 
Kirby Puckett
Ozzie Smith
 
Goose Goslin
 
Mark McGwire
 
Ken Griffey, Jr.
Dave Winfield
Wade Boggs
Rollie Fingers
Gaylord Perry
Dennis Eckersley
Paul Molitor
 

A little surprised Robin Yount isn't also on that greatest 100 players list.

 Enjoy your Yaz.

 ;)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 12:11:12 PM
Oh, one more thing. Wins matter:

Offensive Winning Percentage The percentage of games a team with nine of this player batting would win. Assumes average pitching and defense.

Joe Morgan: .702
Yaz: .677

Have a super day!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 12:17:55 PM
HEH

I did enjoy watching Yaz he was a great ballplayer.

probably as much as you enjoyed personally watching Goose Goslin, who's final game was in 1938.

and wins do matter but, its not a fantasy game, its a team game.

You might want to return "Baseball for Dummies" it might be too advanced for you.

Happy Holidays

Ho-ho-heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 12:56:24 PM
Wow. If you get this pissed just because someone doesn't swoon over your favorite player, what happens when you have real issues in your life?



Sorry you couldn't handle this rather benign topic.

In other far more important news, https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 (https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090)



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 01:03:25 PM
Wow. If you get this pissed just because someone doesn't swoon over your favorite player, what happens when you have real issues in your life?



Sorry you couldn't handle this rather benign topic.

In other far more important news, https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 (https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090)

HEH

wrong again troll

I'm not pissed but amused by your idiocy.

you got challenged by several posters on your irrelavant inclusion of a team statistic, when the topic was individual performance, so you got defensive and decided insults were the way to go.

you made the wrong choice moron.

SSDD

Goose Goslin

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 01:29:13 PM
And in still other news,

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Lenny looks for God.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 01:31:58 PM
Wow. If you get this pissed just because someone doesn't swoon over your favorite player, what happens when you have real issues in your life?



Sorry you couldn't handle this rather benign topic.

In other far more important news, https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 (https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090)

HEH

wrong again troll

I'm not pissed but amused by your idiocy.

you got challenged by several posters on your irrelavant inclusion of a team statistic, when the topic was individual performance, so you got defensive and decided insults were the way to go.

you made the wrong choice moron.

SSDD

Goose Goslin

heh

Yes, that was an error of deletion. But nice if you to ignore the actual argument that trumped yours.

Obviously, you remain confused.

Addled easily.

The insults were all yours in the making.

AMT. It really can help.

Good luck, addled one.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 18, 2018, 02:01:56 PM
Carl Yaz made the final out in both the 1975 World Series and 1978 playoff game. 

In 1978 I was certain he was going to hit a HR.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 02:23:03 PM
Wow. If you get this pissed just because someone doesn't swoon over your favorite player, what happens when you have real issues in your life?



Sorry you couldn't handle this rather benign topic.

In other far more important news, https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090 (https://www.mlb.com/news/2018-2019-mlb-free-agents-and-trade-rumors/c-297641124?tid=282421090)

HEH

wrong again troll

I'm not pissed but amused by your idiocy.

you got challenged by several posters on your irrelavant inclusion of a team statistic, when the topic was individual performance, so you got defensive and decided insults were the way to go.

you made the wrong choice moron.

SSDD

Goose Goslin

heh

Yes, that was an error of deletion. But nice if you to ignore the actual argument that trumped yours.

Obviously, you remain confused.

Addled easily.

The insults were all yours in the making.

AMT. It really can help.

Good luck, addled one.

HEH

another E on the troll

SSDD

troll you trumped nothing,

The topic was "best player you saw personally"

I listed about 8 guys I saw play in person.

Nice to know you have corrected my memory about the players I saw in person.

You are a moron.

E-troll hat trick

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 02:26:25 PM
Carl Yaz made the final out in both the 1975 World Series and 1978 playoff game. 

In 1978 I was certain he was going to hit a HR.

He did in the (IIRC) in 2nd inning.

Little over-anxious that last AB.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 02:29:56 PM
Carl Yaz made the final out in both the 1975 World Series and 1978 playoff game. 

In 1978 I was certain he was going to hit a HR.

So...he choked. Would that be a fair assessment?

Meanwhile in Game 7 of 1975 Series, Joe Morgan delivered the GWRBI.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 02:33:03 PM
heh

so obsessed

poor sad troll
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 02:39:48 PM
https://youtu.be/lj_xIaPkzrk (https://youtu.be/lj_xIaPkzrk)

https://youtu.be/3OtkmFylKaM (https://youtu.be/3OtkmFylKaM)

Have a super day chasing your demons.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 18, 2018, 02:59:57 PM
Carl Yaz made the final out in both the 1975 World Series and 1978 playoff game. 

In 1978 I was certain he was going to hit a HR.

So...he choked. Would that be a fair assessment?

Meanwhile in Game 7 of 1975 Series, Joe Morgan delivered the GWRBI.
No that's not a fair assessment.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 03:16:03 PM
Carl Yaz made the final out in both the 1975 World Series and 1978 playoff game. 

In 1978 I was certain he was going to hit a HR.

So...he choked. Would that be a fair assessment?

Meanwhile in Game 7 of 1975 Series, Joe Morgan delivered the GWRBI.
No that's not a fair assessment.

Of course it isn't fair. But we all have seen players villified for failing in a big spot. Carlos Beltran watching strike three go by to end a playoff series comes to mind.

My point is that no one here knocked Yaz as not being a great player. Just others are/were better. And that isn't a subjective analysis, whereas judging a "choke" would be.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 03:44:43 PM
Carl Yaz made the final out in both the 1975 World Series and 1978 playoff game. 

In 1978 I was certain he was going to hit a HR.

So...he choked. Would that be a fair assessment?

Meanwhile in Game 7 of 1975 Series, Joe Morgan delivered the GWRBI.
No that's not a fair assessment.

Of course it isn't fair. But we all have seen players villified for failing in a big spot. Carlos Beltran watching strike three go by to end a playoff series comes to mind.

My point is that no one here knocked Yaz as not being a great player. Just others are/were better. And that isn't a subjective analysis, whereas judging a "choke" would be.

Its neither fair nor accurate. Its idiotic.

But troll if you need to vilify Yaz, knock yourself out.

And troll  no one said Yaz was the best ever.

thats a false narrative.

I had him listed among the greats I had paid to see play.

Just like you paid to see Goose Goslin.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 03:54:48 PM
No one villified Yaz. But someone here with a dime view if reality flipped out when he found out Yaz was not as good a player as others.

At the very least that's abject immaturity. At best, it's delusional thinking.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 04:20:44 PM
No one villified Yaz. But someone here with a dime view if reality flipped out when he found out Yaz was not as good a player as others.

At the very least that's abject immaturity. At best, it's delusional thinking.

HEH

my argument on Yaz was based largely his performance in the '67-'70, 4 year period

that is to say, it was a fact-based argument.

he is one of a small handful of modern day players to accumulate those WAR #s over that consecutive period of time.

and as posted his '67 WAR was the highest in almost 45 years.

And I had him listed  7th or 8th (whatever) among the guys I saw in person who I thought were all-time great baseball players.

I did not think him the greatest, but I said he should be in "this conversation". Which he should.

I did not list everyone, just thre guys I swe in person.

Which if you take a look at b-ref WAR page is pretty consistent with an AL fan of my age.

I really wish I could have seen Goslin play, tell us Hammythe 5th how good was Goose?

SSDD

and btw, you moron, in the game you castigate Yaz for, he was 2-for-5 with a homer (off "Cy" Guidry) and 2 rbis.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 05:27:34 PM
 

All I've done here is try to talk baseball and express opinions, same as anyone else. I ignored the dumbfuck comment, but you embraced it, like a rabid raccoon going after a Twinkie in a Wawa parking lot.

All you've done is reach into a ready barrel of BS and insults and throw monkey shit on the board here.

Want explain why?

Or is that normal for you?

Since you insist on riffing on Goslin, here goes.

I copied the list of the 100 greatest ballplayers in the 20th century,from the website YOU LINKED TO, and then pasted it to post here.

Then went through the list deleting those I didn't see in person.

So, I missed deleting Goslin?

You seem to think that somehow undermines the larger point, which was that there were many great ballplayers of whom I had the privilege to see play.

Certainly, he is the conversation. And in the list I posted, there were a ton of players ranked well ahead of him. For good reason, too.

Who said he wasn't?

I happen to think Morgan's 1975 season is a better accomplishment than th '67 Yaz season. The other facts posted, you seem to not grasp. A team of Morgans beats a team of Yazzes, according to that site YOU posted.

You want to say those numbers don't count? In the more difficult league? (Then!)

Fine. So?

What changes here?

We are each expressing an OPINION. Clearly, only one of us can read, as I didn't "castigate Yaz".

Merely reported "facts", as you like to call them. Morgan got his man in, Yaz flied out weakly to end the Series. Facts. Handle it. It's been over 40 years.

But you seem to think this is some kind of blood sport.

It's not. It's bullshit.

And your posts to me waste everyone's time, here.

Kill it. Kill the depression, the rage, the anger, the whatever it is that fuels your insipid and unnecessary remarks.

And if you can't do that on your own, like a mature individual, like a MAN, then seek and get help.

Because essentially your posts are being reduced to a variant of a 4-year old saying, "Nanny-nanny poo-poo", and nothing more.

If you fail to grasp that, you are indeed the loser you would like to paint others as being.

 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 05:45:46 PM
Moron

the question posed was "who was the best player you saw in person?"

And I gave my answer to that and with reasons why.

You are either clueless or tone deaf to think you can tell me who I should rank where and when as for the most part my universe is alot different than yours.

for example I did not see in person a lot of NL stars, but I saw some.

similairy I'm not going to waste my time telling you about a guy who I probably didn't see in person (Morgan) or why his best year was highly unlikely to come close to Yaz's best year, as its irrelevant to the discussion.

that you fail to grasp this is not surprising as you 1) think everything is about you 2) you're a fucking moron

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on December 18, 2018, 06:09:09 PM
To the extent my comments on Yaz led to the last few page pissing match, I apologize to the forum.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 06:21:26 PM
Would have likely happened any way-for reasons unknown, the troll enjoys his roll as village know-nothing d-bag.

He is however an expert on Goose Goslin and copy and pasting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 06:51:03 PM
Moron

the question posed was "who was the best player you saw in person?"

And I gave my answer to that and with reasons why.

You are either clueless or tone deaf to think you can tell me who I should rank where and when as for the most part my universe is alot different than yours.

for example I did not see in person a lot of NL stars, but I saw some.

similairy I'm not going to waste my time telling you about a guy who I probably didn't see in person (Morgan) or why his best year was highly unlikely to come close to Yaz's best year, as its irrelevant to the discussion.

that you fail to grasp this is not surprising as you 1) think everything is about you 2) you're a fucking moron

you are indeed the loser you would like to paint others as being.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 06:51:51 PM
Would have likely happened any way-for reasons unknown, the troll enjoys his roll as village know-nothing d-bag.

He is however an expert on Goose Goslin and copy and pasting.

you are indeed the loser you would like to paint others as being.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 18, 2018, 06:56:28 PM
 
To the extent my comments on Yaz led to the last few page pissing match, I apologize to the forum.

 To the extent that I tried to reasonably and rationally present a point of view that differed from the obviously emotionally disturbed individual poster who has not been able to discuss baseball without personal attacks, I extend my apologies to those who must apparently be used to said emotionally disturbed poster.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 06:59:10 PM
Moron

the question posed was "who was the best player you saw in person?"

And I gave my answer to that and with reasons why.

You are either clueless or tone deaf to think you can tell me who I should rank where and when as for the most part my universe is alot different than yours.

for example I did not see in person a lot of NL stars, but I saw some.

similairy I'm not going to waste my time telling you about a guy who I probably didn't see in person (Morgan) or why his best year was highly unlikely to come close to Yaz's best year, as its irrelevant to the discussion.

that you fail to grasp this is not surprising as you 1) think everything is about you 2) you're a fucking moron

you are indeed the loser you would like to paint others as being.

heh

awesome rebuttal.

Its so sad that the point had to be spelled out several times for you and your rebuttal is all but muffled out by your tears of resignation.

You really are very stupid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 18, 2018, 09:07:45 PM
Angels get bargain with Harvey

11 mil.

But should they have at least demanded one team option year?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 18, 2018, 09:26:13 PM
I wonder if being in a Cincy type town and not in a NY/LA atmosphere might be more beneficial for the Harvey?

I remember a 4-5 years ago Francesa was playing GM and insisted he'd need Betts and Boegarts for Harvey.
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 19, 2018, 07:27:53 AM
Yeah.  He was that good.

Though Mike doesn't speak for anyone.

Lesson is you should always build in "he might get hurt" when discussing dealing a SP.  (see my being ok this offseason had we dealt Syndergaard for Realmuto and change)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 19, 2018, 09:49:46 AM
Moron

the question posed was "who was the best player you saw in person?"

And I gave my answer to that and with reasons why.

You are either clueless or tone deaf to think you can tell me who I should rank where and when as for the most part my universe is alot different than yours.

for example I did not see in person a lot of NL stars, but I saw some.

similairy I'm not going to waste my time telling you about a guy who I probably didn't see in person (Morgan) or why his best year was highly unlikely to come close to Yaz's best year, as its irrelevant to the discussion.

that you fail to grasp this is not surprising as you 1) think everything is about you 2) you're a fucking moron

you are indeed the loser you would like to paint others as being.

heh

awesome rebuttal.

Its so sad that the point had to be spelled out several times for you and your rebuttal is all but muffled out by your tears of resignation.

You really are very stupid.

I will pray for your soul, and ask the Lord to heal you

Peace be with you, son.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 19, 2018, 12:34:54 PM
Manny in Manhattan today, will Cashman let him get to Philly tomorrow?

drama heats up in the Hot Stove League
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 19, 2018, 01:57:08 PM
The Dark Angel?

https://sports.yahoo.com/ap-source-matt-harvey-angels-agree-11m-1-015426776--mlb.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/ap-source-matt-harvey-angels-agree-11m-1-015426776--mlb.html)

Matt Harvey, $11M for 1 season with LAA.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 19, 2018, 02:40:00 PM
Thanks

Hadn't heard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 20, 2018, 12:37:51 PM
Thanks

Hadn't heard.

I think this will be the 4th "remake" of the Dark Knight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 22, 2018, 12:51:57 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2811972-dodgers-stunning-yasiel-puig-blockbuster-could-all-but-seal-bryce-harper-splash?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Dodgers "trade" Puig, Kemp, Wood, and give money to the Reds for three players, one of whom they released immediately and the other two of whom are not huge prospects.

Why? Bryce Harper is the theory in this link.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 23, 2018, 06:38:27 PM
The Dodgers-Harper connection seems overblown. more likely they are just trying to dump salary to dump salary. Could be going after Kluber, btw.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 24, 2018, 09:51:37 AM
Dodgers are swimming in dough and haven't won in awhile, can't see them salary dumping after got 0-for the last 2 World Series.

wouldn't think it would sit well with the locals losing Machado and Puig.

Dodgers need some mid-line-up oomph!

if not Harper how about clearing some space for a trade w/yankees for Stanton?

then Ys announce Machado and Harper!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 24, 2018, 09:57:04 AM
A Stanton deal would have to be similar to what LA just did, but in reverse.  With Yanks getting virtually nothing in return.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 24, 2018, 10:01:50 AM
A Stanton deal would have to be similar to what LA just did, but in reverse.  With Tanks getting virtually nothing in return.

Yup. clears space for a deal.

Magic will throw in a couple of low-level prospects and 2 courtside seats at the Staples Center next to Jack.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on December 31, 2018, 12:02:07 PM
Someone should stick to analyzing only the Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 31, 2018, 12:45:18 PM
Gammons?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 31, 2018, 12:47:15 PM
So....what's the Phil's offer to Machado that is about to fall short?

My Mets offer to Harper was 9-282 with an opt out after 3-90.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2018, 01:10:01 PM
consensus seems to be when the ball drops in Time Sq. tonught

Machado will emerge in pinstripes

and take out Anderson Cooper's knee
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 01, 2019, 09:46:26 PM
Rubio tries to end MLB's Cuba deal:So last month Major League Baseball and the Cuban Baseball Federation reached a deal: A Cuban player may now freely sign with a U.S. team, and the Cuban federation will receive a fee of up to 20 percent of that player’s U.S. salary.

That’s the part Republican Florida Senator Marco Rubio calls an “immoral farce.” The deal stems from an Obama Administration ruling that Cuba’s baseball federation is not subject to the U.S. trade embargo against the Cuban regime. Rubio insists it is – and he wants President Trump to rule his way.

http://www.wlrn.org/post/rubio-wants-trump-sink-cuba-baseball-deal-he-endangering-cuban-players (http://www.wlrn.org/post/rubio-wants-trump-sink-cuba-baseball-deal-he-endangering-cuban-players)

The deal is a liberal plot:Although the Cuban partner of MLB and the union is named as the FCB, the FCB is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Castroite communist government of the island prison.

In a particularly smarmy ploy, in announcing their deal with the Cuban dictatorship, the baseball owners and union claimed that they entered into it to "end the dangerous trafficking of Cuban players who desire to play professional baseball in the United States" -- that is, to take away an incentive to defect.  (If talented Cubans, skilled at playing baseball, are prevented by the owners and the union from being paid to play baseball in America, they will have one fewer reason to leave the island.  Actually, the reasons to leave the massive Cuban gulag will remain;  but the baseball owners and union will have conspired with the regime in Havana to ensure that defectors who make it to America will be consigned to wash dishes for a living rather than to compete for professional baseball players' wages.)
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/major_league_baseball_bailing_out_cuban_government.html (https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/01/major_league_baseball_bailing_out_cuban_government.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 02, 2019, 01:54:19 PM
consensus seems to be when the ball drops in Time Sq. tonught

Machado will emerge in pinstripes

and take out Anderson Cooper's knee

Yanks sign Tulowitzki.  May in fact be out on Manny.

I see them making a deal....maybe for a 1b.  Wonder what they would have given Pearce if he had put himself out there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 02, 2019, 03:37:27 PM
Seems they like Voit at 1st, not so much on Bird.

Still expect cash to make a big splash with Manny, but now they got to sell him on 3rd 

Trade Bird (and Gray?) and transition Andujar to 1st?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 02, 2019, 09:47:36 PM
They have a lot of chiefs over there and some of them still love Greg Bird
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 03, 2019, 11:56:37 AM
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/bob-einstein-faced-dwight-gooden-blindfolded-on-super-dave/c-302305730 (https://www.mlb.com/cut4/bob-einstein-faced-dwight-gooden-blindfolded-on-super-dave/c-302305730)

Only Barry Bonds wore more protectors.

RIP Super Dave.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 03, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
Robertson inks two year deal with Philadelphia.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-reportedly-sign-reliever-david-robertson-two-year-23-million-deal-184125107.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-reportedly-sign-reliever-david-robertson-two-year-23-million-deal-184125107.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 03, 2019, 04:48:30 PM
Boston Red Sox Writer: The guy who is number one in post-season pitching for games, WHIP, ERA, and Saves, with the MOST INNINGS PITCHED, is NOT a HOFer.

https://www.telegram.com/news/20181222/bill-ballou-mariano-rivera-not-getting-this-writers-hall-of-fame-vote (https://www.telegram.com/news/20181222/bill-ballou-mariano-rivera-not-getting-this-writers-hall-of-fame-vote)

And again, writers should not be voting for the HALL.
Particularly, the obvious home team supporters among them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2019, 05:00:45 PM
and yet despite that writer's opinion, 1 opinion of some some 500 opinions, the probability that Rivera gets named on about 99% of the remaining 499 HoF ballots is almost a certainty, and he will be enshtined as a Hall of Famer.

As it should be.

1 voter from a diverse population causes no harm 

One idiosyncratic voter from a neutral and largely non-conflicted/non-partisan body of 500 observers/writer/voters, is easily diluted by the diversity of the group,

As we recently saw 3 or 4 conflicted voters can easily sway a jury of 16.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 03, 2019, 06:59:05 PM
Boston Red Sox Writer: The guy who is number one in post-season pitching for games, WHIP, ERA, and Saves, with the MOST INNINGS PITCHED, is NOT a HOFer.

https://www.telegram.com/news/20181222/bill-ballou-mariano-rivera-not-getting-this-writers-hall-of-fame-vote (https://www.telegram.com/news/20181222/bill-ballou-mariano-rivera-not-getting-this-writers-hall-of-fame-vote)

And again, writers should not be voting for the HALL.
Particularly, the obvious home team supporters among them.

Ballou is not really a Red Sox writer - he writes for Worcester!

But here is where he illustrates that he is full of shit:
Quote
My thought on the Hall of Fame is that it is more than numbers, that its members must have the kind of presence that would make somebody buy a ticket — not hometown fans, but general baseball fans — just to say they saw him play.

Rivera fits that description. He is a larger-than-life performer whose character is impeccable. He has had a long career, albeit in a role I do not value, a role I equate with a PAT kicker in football or a shootout guy in hockey.

If that's Ballou's view of the Hall of Fame and he thinks Rivera fits, then his decision to [inot[/i] vote for Rivera has nothing to do with whether Rivera belongs and everything to do with Ballou's wanting something to write about and a way to distinguish himself.

Ballou belongs in the Hall of Petulance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2019, 07:43:58 PM
Ballou's argument is that the closer's role has been overblown and is very limited.

He may be right in that regard, and probably accounts for that only six (I think) relievers have been elected to the HoF.

I'd vote for Rivera. Some guys deserve the Hall and Rivera is one of them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 03, 2019, 07:45:40 PM
Robertson inks two year deal with Philadelphia.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-reportedly-sign-reliever-david-robertson-two-year-23-million-deal-184125107.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-reportedly-sign-reliever-david-robertson-two-year-23-million-deal-184125107.html)

Keeping an eye on Robertson vs Familia.  We chose.  Have to live with Jeurys.  Though he sure did look comfy as a 7th 8th inning guy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2019, 07:47:04 PM
Meanhile rumors build that Manny and Sox are serious.


Sox are white.

and Phillies considering Harper to go with Robertson.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 03, 2019, 08:29:05 PM
If I were a degenerate gambler like Kiid, I'd bet on Harper winding up back with the Nationals.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 03, 2019, 08:58:44 PM
Ballou's argument is that the closer's role has been overblown and is very limited.

He may be right in that regard, and probably accounts for that only six (I think) relievers have been elected to the HoF.

I'd vote for Rivera. Some guys deserve the Hall and Rivera is one of them.

That was the argument he presented, Banks, but it is not what he stated the Hall was about.

Using his own stated standard, he is just a dick.

Not to mention that it is not as if Mariano is the first one in, either.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2019, 09:09:53 PM
Ballou's argument is that the closer's role has been overblown and is very limited.

He may be right in that regard, and probably accounts for that only six (I think) relievers have been elected to the HoF.

I'd vote for Rivera. Some guys deserve the Hall and Rivera is one of them.

That was the argument he presented, Banks, but it is not what he stated the Hall was about.

Using his own stated standard, he is just a dick.

Not to mention that it is not as if Mariano is the first one in, either.


Ballou's premise was ok, and worth discussing but his arguments were all over the place.

Single A rhetoric

Presumably he has not voted (or abstained) for closers for HoF in the past.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 04, 2019, 09:14:49 AM
Balou showed he knows very little about the game of baseball, but very much what it means to be a fan of one team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 04, 2019, 10:34:05 AM
Ballou was a huge Sharks fan and had his heart broken when they bolted Worcester for Cali.

Little known Ballou fact-his grand-father, Emile "The Cat" Ballou was the legendary goalie for the the old AHL team the Philly Rockets.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 04, 2019, 01:30:21 PM
Meanhile rumors build that Manny and Sox are serious.


Sox are white.

and Phillies considering Harper to go with Robertson.

Nats reportedly  in for north of 300 mil already with Bryce.

My 9-282 is a bit short.  What are Phil's going - 12/400?

Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 04, 2019, 04:51:01 PM
Nats could have floated that number to hurt rivals' offers. Wait and see.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 05, 2019, 12:25:38 PM
Wait and see refers to everything...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 05, 2019, 05:55:37 PM
Boras has a history of planting stories, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 05, 2019, 10:23:47 PM
Yankees bringing back Britton.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on January 06, 2019, 08:11:05 PM
Story is Britton's deal makes it obvious that Robertson should not have been his own agent.

I don't know....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 11, 2019, 02:37:56 PM
Yankees signing LeMahieu which means I guess Machado goes elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 11, 2019, 09:53:44 PM
DJ plays first......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 11, 2019, 09:55:58 PM
or Torres is shifted to center.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 16, 2019, 12:48:40 PM
Per SI: "The Phillies says they have visions of signing Harper, Dallas Keuchel and Craig Kimbrel. (Bob Nightengale, USA Today"

Cha-ching!

Wait and see
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 16, 2019, 01:49:59 PM
They can have the last 2.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 17, 2019, 02:17:20 PM
Red Sox sleep

Yanks add Ottavino
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 18, 2019, 09:56:29 AM
They can have the last 2.
. I think the reported Philly plan is to get Harper, sign the Keuchel, and secure Mike Trout next season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 18, 2019, 04:34:46 PM
2021 for Trout
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 06:23:23 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on January 22, 2019, 06:28:58 PM
(http://content.sny.tv/assets/images/5/2/0/35075520/cuts/750x422/cut.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 22, 2019, 06:45:44 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.
"A part time player. 100"?"

- Idiots everywhere.

Clemens and Bonds inched up, Mr. Catsup soaked sock took a 9 + point leap.

Omar up 5%. ManRam holds steady.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on January 22, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.
"A part time player. 100"?"

- Idiots everywhere.


Would you be the one to not vote for him?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 22, 2019, 07:09:40 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.

Could have sworn somebody - oh, right, the Worcester writer - said he wouldn't be voting for Rivera!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 07:17:41 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.

Could have sworn somebody - oh, right, the Worcester writer - said he wouldn't be voting for Rivera!

peer pressure in the press box is an ugly thing!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 07:21:46 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.
"A part time player. 100"?"

- Idiots everywhere.

Clemens and Bonds inched up, Mr. Catsup soaked sock took a 9 + point leap.

Omar up 5%. ManRam holds steady.

I've no problem with Mo getting 100%, but he shouldn't have been the first guy.

He threw only one pitch and only for 1 inning.

At least this should end the part-time player as a disqualifier for the HoF.

But then again if Harold Baines...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on January 22, 2019, 08:21:46 PM
No he shouldn't have been the first... but if poor decisions were made in the past it's no excuse to carry on the tradition.

He often (especially in the most pressure-filled games) was asked to go more than 1 inning.

He was a 2 inning guy when he first burst onto the national scene, setting up rather than closing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on January 22, 2019, 08:25:11 PM
Part - time player is a little bit of an anachronism.  These days your starting pitcher might only go 5-6 innings every 5 days and thats considered ok.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 22, 2019, 08:33:56 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.

Could have sworn somebody - oh, right, the Worcester writer - said he wouldn't be voting for Rivera!
He said he wasn't going to cast a ballot at all which perserved the 100%.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 22, 2019, 09:27:59 PM
Yes!

Mussina!

Excellent job, writers

Schilling next (sorry, dickass Michael Kay)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2019, 11:02:11 PM
Part - time player is a little bit of an anachronism.  These days your starting pitcher might only go 5-6 innings every 5 days and thats considered ok.

90%+ of Mo's HoF work was done within a 1-inning appearance.

Can't speak for boz, but I used the part-time description as a TIC phrase to mock the foolishness some use to diminish the role/importance of relievers who may only pitch 1 inning or a DH who's only glove is a batting glove.

and a 5 inning start might be ok in the post-season/WS, but a 5-inning regular season guy is a bullpen killer, and not highly prized in the regular season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 08:27:50 AM
If you throw "only one pitch and one inning" for decades, and no one can hit that pitch, you're 100 per cent a HOFer.

Halladay should go in as a Blue Jay. Who will speak for him?

Mussina was overdue, and helps Jamie Moyer's case.

Martinez was put in to make it easier for steroid user Ortiz to get in.

Crime Dog got screwed.

Pete Rose still screwed---MLB supports and earns money from sanctioning gambling, but Rose isnt "moral" enough to enter Cooperstown. Joke!

And writers shouldn't be given a vote, because they get paid to report the news, not create the news.

That is all.

Back to Harper, Machado, Keuchel...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 23, 2019, 01:43:42 PM
Edgar, Halladay, Mussina, and Mo in the HoF

and Mo gets 100%.
"A part time player. 100"?"

- Idiots everywhere.

Clemens and Bonds inched up, Mr. Catsup soaked sock took a 9 + point leap.

Omar up 5%. ManRam holds steady.

Many of these guys will get in via the new improved vets committee

Smoltz today said that McGriff, who struggled in writer balloting, would surely enter via that avenue

I certainly see if for Schilland likely Manny as well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 23, 2019, 02:00:36 PM
"Missing helps Jamie Moyet's case"

No.

One was consistently excellent

The other simply not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 02:52:51 PM
 Moyer: 25 years in the majors. Just four other pitchers played that long.

 269-209 record and a 4.25 ERA, ranks 16th all-time in games started (638) and 35th in victories.

Only 34 wins came before age 30. Let that sink in. 235 wins after turning 30. That is artistry.

For age 30 and older pitchers the numbers are:


WINS
1 Cy Young 316
2 Phil Niekro 287
3 Warren Spahn 277
4 Gaylord Perry 238
5. Jamie Moyer 235
6 Randy Johnson 227
7 Early Wynn 217
T8 Grover C Alexander 213
T8 Lefty Grove 213
10 Greg Maddux 205


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 23, 2019, 03:29:38 PM
Only 34 wins came before age 30. Let that sink in. 235 wins after turning 30. That is artistry.

Had he played more for the Red Sox, you'd be claiming it was steroids, not artistry!

You are too funny.

He does still lead the majors in one career category: most home runs given up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 03:33:12 PM
I'm not sure the HR thing is a great argument AGAINST Moyer when you note who comes right after him. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 23, 2019, 03:37:19 PM
I'm not sure the HR thing is a great argument AGAINST Moyer when you note who comes right after him.

It is not an argument against him or for him, just a note that it is the only thing he led in for his career.

Mussina is not an argument for Moyer, that's all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 23, 2019, 03:38:22 PM
Gotcha.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 23, 2019, 06:38:07 PM
The Hall of Fame is not for people who remain mediocre for a very very long time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 23, 2019, 06:54:40 PM
Talkin about Moyer like he's Biggio.  Funny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 23, 2019, 11:07:42 PM
Only 34 wins came before age 30. Let that sink in. 235 wins after turning 30. That is artistry.

Had he played more for the Red Sox, you'd be claiming it was steroids, not artistry!

You are too funny.

He does still lead the majors in one career category: most home runs given up.

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance of the game.

Guess Spahn, Roberts, and Jenkins were lousy pitchers,, too. Oh wait, none of them  pitched in the DH Steroids ERA of baseball.

That, and consider how you have to pitch a long, long, time and a lot of innings. Do that in small parks, too. Like Wrigley, Fenway, CBP, and Colorado.

Again, wins after age 30. Stunning company he keeps.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 01:16:40 AM
Only 34 wins came before age 30. Let that sink in. 235 wins after turning 30. That is artistry.

Had he played more for the Red Sox, you'd be claiming it was steroids, not artistry!

You are too funny.

He does still lead the majors in one career category: most home runs given up.

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance of the game.

Guess Spahn, Roberts, and Jenkins were lousy pitchers,, too. Oh wait, none of them  pitched in the DH Steroids ERA of baseball.

That, and consider how you have to pitch a long, long, time and a lot of innings. Do that in small parks, too. Like Wrigley, Fenway, CBP, and Colorado.

Again, wins after age 30. Stunning company he keeps.

"Wins after age 30."

Tom Brady, then? GOAT!

There is not a Hall of Aged, Utley. He was not as good a pitcher as the others in that list.

Moyer's "Top 10" finishes for pitchers over 30:
Wins (6th)
Innings Pitched (6th)
Strike Outs (9th)
Games Started (2nd)
Home Runs (2nd)
Hits (6th)
Earned Runs (2nd)
Hit by Pitch (4th)
Batters faced (6th)

9 lists, all of them longevity based and four of them negative categories. Who else is on that Wins list with him, since you call attention to his company:
Cy Young is on 20 of those lists, including ERA, WHIP, and Shut Outs.
Phil Niekro is on 15, including Complete Games and Shut Outs.
Warren Spahn is on 13, including Complete Games and Shut Outs.
Gaylord Perry is also on 13, including Complete Games and Shut Outs.
Randy Johnson's on 13, including WHIP, K/9, and K/BB.
Early Wynn's only on 5 lists, including Shut Outs. He also won a Cy Young and was an All Star 9 times.
Eddie Plank's on 9 lists, including Complete Games and Shut Outs.
Pete Alexander's on 8 lists, including W/9, Complete Games, and Shut Outs.
Lefty Grove's on only 5 lists, too. His include Win/Loss pct and Adjusted ERA.

Moyer doesn't compare to any of the other 9 on the Wins after 30 top ten. Everything he's there for is because he pitched a long time. He was a decent pitcher, but he wasn't "Hall of Fame" worthy. 1 All Star game. Highest CY vote was 4th and only top ten there three times.

Niekro went to 5 All Star games. He was the ERA winner once. He was up for the CY 5 times, finishing 2nd and 3rd. Plus one Gold Glove.
Pete Alexander had 5 ERA titles and three pitching "triple crowns."
Lefty Grove had 6 All Star games and 9 ERA titles, plus one MVP.
Randy Johnson had 5 Cy Young awards, 10 All Star game appearances, and 4 ERA titles.
Gaylord Perry only had 2 Cy Young awards and 5 All Star games. So sad.
Warren Spahn had 1 Cy Young, 3 ERA titles, and 17 All Star games.
Early Wynn had 1 Cy Young, 1 ERA title, and 9 All Star games.

I'm not going to bother with Cy Young.

That leaves Eddie Plank, who has no All Star games and no Cy Young awards. They had not been invented yet. He has no ERA titles, either. His FIP is about 2 runs lower than Moyer's. In their post-30 years, Moyer's WAR is 46 to Plank's 54.8.

Moyer's still not as good as Plank was after 30. But, no matter how much you want to make it about "after 30," it isn't. It's about their whole careers, Utley!

And in Moyer's first 6 years, he had a WAR of 4. Plank had a WAR of 33.4 in five seasons.

If you looked at the pre-30 careers for those other folks, you would see similar gaps between them and Moyer.

Moyer wouldn't make it even for post-30, but like I said, there is no Hall of Good but Aged, just a Hall of Fame, anyway.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on January 24, 2019, 10:18:48 AM
Being popular doesn't mean being good. Longevity matters, especially in pitching. With each post, you show you know booklearning, but not baseball.

Goodbye.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2019, 10:26:10 AM
Stat of the day

In his final season as a fulltime OF (40%)of his overall games played were as an OF), Harold Baines threw out FIFTEEN baserunners.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on January 24, 2019, 02:16:45 PM
Stat of the day

In his final season as a fulltime OF (40%)of his overall games played were as an OF), Harold Baines threw out FIFTEEN baserunners.
Well, yeah. Everyone ran on his arm.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 24, 2019, 10:25:55 PM
Being popular doesn't mean being good. Longevity matters, especially in pitching. With each post, you show you know booklearning, but not baseball.

Goodbye.

With each post, you show that you come to an opinion and nothing changes your mind.

He wasn't "Hall of After 39," either:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/leaders_40_pitch_career-after.shtml

And as ever, when you cannot win an argument on facts, you fall back on "understand the game."

Moyer wasn't a Hall of Famer by any measure except longevity and using that argument, Tim Wakefield belongs in the Hall of Fame, too. Much as I loved him as a player, he doesn't belong. I rooted for Moyer, in his later years, and Colon in his - and none of them belong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 25, 2019, 08:43:17 AM
Pollack will not be a Met.  Dodgers get him for 4-50 plus 5 mil buyout of 10 mil 5th year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 25, 2019, 08:44:10 AM
Cubs nicely add Brad Brach at just 3 mil.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 05, 2019, 01:53:01 PM
R.I.P. Linda Goldbloom.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 06, 2019, 11:13:01 AM
I had to google that.

sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 07, 2019, 02:17:16 PM
Realmuto could go to Philly and Giants all in on Harper.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 07, 2019, 02:30:04 PM
F. Robbie, gone too soon: https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/ny-sports-frank-robinson-obituary-20190207-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/ny-sports-frank-robinson-obituary-20190207-story.html)

They don't make ballplayers like him, anymore.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 07, 2019, 03:00:44 PM
Sad. I had heard Robby was near the end. One of the least appreciated superstars of his era.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 07, 2019, 04:29:21 PM
An alltime great ballplayer, a legit 5-tool superstar, who was overshadowed in the more colorful NL, but found his glory when traded to Baltimore in 1966.

RIP
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2019, 09:53:26 AM
This Sixto Sanchez must be some arm.


At least a few publications feel Phils got hosed.

I feel sometimes when that one piece is dangling out there that fits so perfectly - that a slight overpay is just fine


So best of luck to young Mr Sanchez - if he is a Hall of Famer this doesnt mean Phils should not have acted.  Gonna hate seeing J T in that Phils lineup as Mets try to stack up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2019, 10:00:08 AM
Bufrd, Blair, Robinson, Robinson, Belanger, Johnson, Powell, Hendricks, Palmer, Cuellar, McNally, Watt, Richert, Hall........

The great '69 O's.......

no match for Gil's boys - though they did get the upstart Reds the following year (Frank's Revenge).

Rest in peace, Robby.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 08, 2019, 05:02:42 PM
This Sixto Sanchez must be some arm.


At least a few publications feel Phils got hosed.

I feel sometimes when that one piece is dangling out there that fits so perfectly - that a slight overpay is just fine


So best of luck to young Mr Sanchez - if he is a Hall of Famer this doesnt mean Phils should not have acted.  Gonna hate seeing J T in that Phils lineup as Mets try to stack up.

He's 20. He's small. He's unproven. He's still a prospect.

Realmuto's going to make it easier to sign others.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2019, 08:20:52 PM
Rumor today that Yanks have gone 7-8 years and 200-220 mil on Machado....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 08, 2019, 10:24:40 PM
I knew Bill James was a dick, but this proves it:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/dennis-eckersley-silences-bill-james-164221669.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/dennis-eckersley-silences-bill-james-164221669.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 10, 2019, 10:22:22 AM

as we await ST and to survive the worst sport month

for your entertainment and perusual, I give you the 2019 MLB futures from a couple of sources

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/futures (http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/futures)

just top 12 posted here

New York Yankees   11/2
Boston Red Sox   7/1
Houston Astros   7/1
Los Angeles Dodgers   8/1
Chicago Cubs   12/1
Cleveland Indians   12/1
Atlanta Braves   15/1
St Louis Cardinals   15/1
Philadelphia Phillies   18/1
Washington Nationals   18/1
Milwaukee Brewers   20/1
New York Mets   

https://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/odds/futures (https://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/odds/futures)

Sox +550
Houston +600
Yanks +700

LAD +750
Cubs +1100
Braves +1200
Phillies +1800

some line shopping may be advisable 


# are per $100 wagered
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 10, 2019, 04:38:39 PM
NL East becoming best division in MLB?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 10, 2019, 05:46:17 PM
NL East becoming best division in MLB?

That's certainly the conclusion I would come to after looking at the odds on the post right before yours!

Two AL East teams and one AL Central in the top three, followed by two NL teams not from the East.

Clearly, the NL East is the best division - low to no expectations!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 10, 2019, 09:19:40 PM
Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 10, 2019, 09:28:05 PM
Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.

I think the problem here is that you are shifting the definition of "best" to whatever suits your argument at the moment. Normally, you mean the one that fields the strongest teams (more than one) - that could be expected to have the best record vs. other divisions.

But since that doesn't fit the NL East, you are choosing instead that competitiveness within the division is what you mean by "best." Good luck selling that definition outside of your own head.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 10, 2019, 09:49:45 PM
https://twitter.com/sung_minkim/status/1094694582082711552 (https://twitter.com/sung_minkim/status/1094694582082711552)

Cool shit - thanks, Sunny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 11, 2019, 01:30:09 PM
Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.

I think the problem here is that you are shifting the definition of "best" to whatever suits your argument at the moment. Normally, you mean the one that fields the strongest teams (more than one) - that could be expected to have the best record vs. other divisions.

But since that doesn't fit the NL East, you are choosing instead that competitiveness within the division is what you mean by "best." Good luck selling that definition outside of your own head.

You fail to recognize that 4 teams in that Division are projected to win 85 or more games. There is no other division rated as such. Therefore, it's the best.

That you can't handle that situation indicates your own weakmindedness, Professor Dimwit.




 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 11, 2019, 03:01:15 PM
If those win totals are accurate (according to odds shark, Mets, Phillies and Atl are projected at 84 1/2) and the Nats projected at 87 1/2, (85.25 average)  The NL East may be the most competitive division.

But using the same source, the Sox are projected at 96 1/2, the Yanls at 95 1/2 and the Rays 84 1/2, or an average of 92.17 wins.

And using net projected wins (wins-losses) it appears the AL East is stronger.   

Are 4 teams a few games over .500 "better" than 3 teams that won an average of 99 games last year? (108, 103, 90), and could do it again this year?

Beauty is in the eye...

https://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/mlb-season-win-totals (https://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/mlb-season-win-totals)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 11, 2019, 06:31:51 PM
Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.

I think the problem here is that you are shifting the definition of "best" to whatever suits your argument at the moment. Normally, you mean the one that fields the strongest teams (more than one) - that could be expected to have the best record vs. other divisions.

But since that doesn't fit the NL East, you are choosing instead that competitiveness within the division is what you mean by "best." Good luck selling that definition outside of your own head.

You fail to recognize that 4 teams in that Division are projected to win 85 or more games. There is no other division rated as such. Therefore, it's the best.

That you can't handle that situation indicates your own weakmindedness, Professor Dimwit.

I saw nothing with such a projection, Utley.

I saw odds of one sort presented. I saw odds of another sort projected.

If you expect me to guess which website you are using to base your assumption upon, you are welcome to do so, but it's a pretty dumb expectation.

National League
NL East
Team   Wins   Losses   Win %
Washington Nationals   90   72   0.556
New York Mets   88   74   0.543
Philadelphia Phillies   85   77   0.525
Atlanta Braves   82   80   0.506
Miami Marlins   65   97   0.401


Nope, not RotoChamp's.

Not FanGraphs:
https://www.fangraphs.com/depthcharts.aspx?position=Standings

Nationals 91-71
Mets        85-75
Braves     82-80
Phillies     82-80
Marlins     65-97

They think the "best" division would be the NL Central - with their last place team only 9 games out! Far better than the NL East, whose Marlins are 17 games behind FOURTH!
Cubs   88   74   .541
Cardinals   86   76   .532
Reds   81   81   .503
Pirates   80   82   .495
Brewers   79   83   .487


Not the Sporting News, either:
http://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/2019-mlb-win-total-projections-odds-betting-wager-caesars-red-sox-dodgers-yankees-astros/kvjg7117lo8f1o9epdps3y4hu

Okay, Utley, I'll bite!

You clearly found one website that gave you the results you wanted. Which one was it?! And what makes it the gold standard on which you wish to hang your sanctimonious self-congratulatory ass?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 11, 2019, 06:47:07 PM
I think 4 teams have a legit shot at the NL East.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 11, 2019, 08:33:14 PM
I have seen Mets projected over 90 in some places.

And also to win the division

Should be a hot year indeed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 11, 2019, 09:43:24 PM
So, how about this:

Utley thinks the NL East might be the most competitive division in MLB.

He thinks because it is the most competitive, that makes it "the best," though he was careful to say other people thought it, rather than claiming it for himself.

He's arguing that four 9-7 NFL teams would be the best division in football, because they were the most competitive, rather than one with two 12-4 teams, one 10-6 team, and one 2-14 team.

It's an argument.

I suspect any of the fans of the 9-7 teams would trade spots with the 12-4 teams in a heartbeat, and competition be damned.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 11, 2019, 11:08:24 PM
You do understand the difference between a division vs am individual team, don't you, Master of Arts in Education?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 11, 2019, 11:15:50 PM
You do understand the difference between a division vs am individual team, don't you, Master of Arts in Education?

Do you agree that by your seeming definition, the division with the four 9-7 teams would be "the best?"

And your assumption of what I have for a degree is hilarious.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 12, 2019, 06:30:20 AM
Which are the 120 win baseball teams?

NL East 4 teams (rounded off) at 90-70

AL East has 2 teams 120-40 and then Tampa wins 100?

Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 12, 2019, 08:25:43 AM
I am reminded of the scene in Right Ho Jeeves where Bertie suggests, to give the abstemious Gussie Fink-Nottle the courage to ask the Bassett to marry him, they spike his orange juice with whiskey. Or, since they are English and not my droid, whisky. Jeeves objects, noting the time a family member gave alcohol to a parrot, which immediately flew about the room, causing havoc and panic. Bertie spots the flaw in Jeeves's logic immediately: Gussie is not a parrot.

Some people are just incapable of understanding the concept of analogy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 12, 2019, 10:14:05 AM
Which are the 120 win baseball teams?

NL East 4 teams (rounded off) at 90-70

AL East has 2 teams 120-40 and then Tampa wins 100?

Heh.

kid-I have no idea what the point  you are trying to make.

I would note that the Rays, with 90 wins last year, and 18 games behind the Sox in the ALE, would have tied the Braves for the NLE last year.

To their credit, they seem to usually get a lot from a little.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 12, 2019, 03:29:36 PM
You're not that dumb

Your 12-4 bit is whack.  10-6 would have worked.  2 teams 10-6 = 2 teams 102-60 in baseball
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 12, 2019, 03:35:43 PM
An analogy is not supposed to be a direct mathematical comparison, any more than Gussie is supposed to be a parrot. The winning percentage of a dominant football team and a dominant baseball team are different, but the point is the dominance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 12, 2019, 06:37:43 PM
But if you can easily make it match up - YES - simple intelligence would say that you would

12-4 = 120-40

This one was beyond easy for Bankie
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 12, 2019, 07:14:44 PM
You're not that dumb

Your 12-4 bit is whack.  10-6 would have worked.  2 teams 10-6 = 2 teams 102-60 in baseball

They weren't his, Kiiid.

They were mine.

And yes, I understand that 10-6 would have worked, but... you act like that matters and it doesn't.

We had
Kansas City 12-4
San Dieago 12-4
Denver        6-10
Oakland      4-12

And that, too, would have worked, but I picked the version I picked. It doesn't need to parallel the MLB percentages to still make a good fit. After all, 9-7 is a 91 win team! I didn't have the gradation of 8.3-7.7 for an NFL season, the equivalent of the 84 win 4th place team that some site or another presented for Utley to dig up for his claim of "best" for the NL East division.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 12, 2019, 07:23:31 PM
But if you can easily make it match up - YES - simple intelligence would say that you would

12-4 = 120-40

This one was beyond easy for Bankie

kid

I understood your math equation, but I was surprised you equated the relative ease of a good NFL team playing .750 ball (12-4) or better, (4 teams did it this year) and the near impossibility of an MLB team winning at that level. To my knowledge it has never been done.  Your attempt to define relative success in the NFL and MLB by equating the winning % was misplaced at best, as history has given us enough examples from which to learn and draw proper conclusions.

I'm almost surprised you were ignorant of that fact.

lets just say you swung and missed and struck-out,

Or you were strip sacked, and it was returned for TD?

you decide.


 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 13, 2019, 09:59:02 AM
I think all 4 NL East teams beat Tampa in a series and all 4 give Yanks and Sox a good run.

If you want to say

AL East has 2 best of the ten (overall NL and AL East), thats fine.

1 - Sox/Yanks
s - Yanks/Sox
3 - Nats
4 - Phils
5 - Mets
6 - Braves
7 - Rays
8 - O's/Jays/Marlins
9 - O's/Jays/Marlins
10 - O's/Jays/Marlins


I wont quibble.

But I also think playing the other 3 NL East teams so many times each year makes it difficult to reach for 95-100 wins.  If they play dead even....... that's 27 or so losses right there.  Yanks and Sox likely lose about 6 or 8 too Tampa and 9 to the other - which is 15 or 17 (difference of 10).

Conclusion - the separation between a 100 win Yanks team and a 90 win Nats is not really what it seems.  Yanks much closer to all 4 top NL East teams than the average fan would suspect.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 13, 2019, 10:12:29 AM
I agree with Kid and I also think that if Harper returns to the Nats (which I think is going to happen) they're better than the Yankees and perhaps the Red Sox' equal. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 13, 2019, 10:32:42 AM
Well the oddsmakers have the Rays winning the same 84 1/2 games (ex-Nats) in arguably a tougher league.

My guess is the Rays v NLE is pretty much 50/50 in home/away series.

And before calling near "parity" between the Ys and the NL E, you've got to assume pretty big leap in NLE performance across the board. I assume Ys win 55-60% of the games played

In general Sox/Ys have feasted in ILP and both their schedules are weighted towards the NLE.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 13, 2019, 10:51:05 AM
The NL East played the AL East last season. They were net -12 against them, with 3 of the teams having losing records.

Every team in the NL East had a losing record against the NL West. The division as a whole had a slightly losing record against the NL Central.

I do understand that you expect the NLE to be stronger in 2019 - it certainly won't hurt their overall record to be playing the AL Central! I think you are overly optimistic about their burgeoning strength.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 13, 2019, 11:03:48 AM
I think you are overly optimistic about their burgeoning strength
Why?  Have you actually looked at the talent that each team in the NL East, save the Marlins, added?   Each of those teams plugged holes they had. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 13, 2019, 02:41:47 PM
I think you are overly optimistic about their burgeoning strength
Why?  Have you actually looked at the talent that each team in the NL East, save the Marlins, added?   Each of those teams plugged holes they had.

Yes. And looked at the strength added by most of the AL East teams and other NL teams. I confess to having looked less at that AL Central to see if they've improved enough to make a difference.

It's unfortunate that we won't have the East teams head to head again this year, though I suppose we can look at their performances against shared opponents to see how they each fare. I could well be wrong - it would not be the first time today.

I would currently rate the Yankees ahead of the Red Sox in overall strength, though I think head to head it might not work out that way. The Orioles will be better than last year, but I think that's not saying a ton - a 15 game improvement brings them to a mere 100 losses. We'll see about Toronto and Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 13, 2019, 03:09:44 PM
I think the Orioles have an 115-loss level of talent (a starting "big" 3 of Alex Cobb, Andrew Cashner and Dylan Bundy is actually the team's "strength"), but it's really, really hard to lose that many games. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 14, 2019, 12:40:52 AM
Mychal Givens is a monster.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 17, 2019, 02:08:18 PM
As Richie Ashburn used to say, "Oh, brother."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thatballsouttahere.com/2019/02/17/phillies-bryce-harper-10-310/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/thatballsouttahere.com/2019/02/17/phillies-bryce-harper-10-310/amp/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 17, 2019, 10:16:11 PM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/phillies-in-lead-for-bryce-harper.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/02/phillies-in-lead-for-bryce-harper.html)

Oy!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 17, 2019, 10:22:40 PM
https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1097188666861146112 (https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1097188666861146112)

Bravo, JD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 18, 2019, 01:47:05 PM
They will not be outbid:
https://www.philly.com/phillies/bryce-harper-free-agency-phillies-needs-20190218.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Extra%20Innings%2002-18-19&utm_content=Extra%20Innings%2002-18-19+CID_a8368df1d85203dd6673674bc34f427d&utm_source=email&utm_term=The%20only%20way%20they%20miss%20out%20David%20Murphy%20writes%20is%20if%20Harper%20takes%20a%20lesser%20offer (https://www.philly.com/phillies/bryce-harper-free-agency-phillies-needs-20190218.html?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Extra%20Innings%2002-18-19&utm_content=Extra%20Innings%2002-18-19+CID_a8368df1d85203dd6673674bc34f427d&utm_source=email&utm_term=The%20only%20way%20they%20miss%20out%20David%20Murphy%20writes%20is%20if%20Harper%20takes%20a%20lesser%20offer)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 19, 2019, 12:47:52 PM
Machado to the Padres.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 19, 2019, 01:00:22 PM
Machado to the Padres.

He blinked first.

"Deal is in range of $300 million over 10 years."

https://sports.yahoo.com/manny-machado-signs-300-million-deal-san-diego-padres-173328996.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews (https://sports.yahoo.com/manny-machado-signs-300-million-deal-san-diego-padres-173328996.html?.tsrc=bell-brknews)

Harper will sign for more.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 19, 2019, 01:26:11 PM
Machado to the Padres.

Adios Manny enjoy doggin' it in Petco for 10 years.

I wonder if it will feel like 70?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 19, 2019, 01:38:09 PM
Padres made a good move. He's only 26, plays a great all-around game, and will produce. They have a lot in the pipeline, and this move will pay off in the long-run. His shortcomings were oversold, and too many bought into them, but not the Padres. Good for them, good for their city.

Congrats.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 19, 2019, 02:17:25 PM
dirty player

I'm glad he's out of the AL E
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 19, 2019, 02:32:07 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/don-newcombe-former-dodgers-great-and-inaugural-cy-young-award-winner-dead-at-92/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/don-newcombe-former-dodgers-great-and-inaugural-cy-young-award-winner-dead-at-92/amp/)

RIP, Don Newcombe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 19, 2019, 02:36:58 PM
dirty player

I'm glad he's out of the AL E

Ballplayer. That Pedroia isn't one is not Machado's fault.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 19, 2019, 06:13:19 PM
there's no reason to believe a sewer dwelling shit covered brain-damaged troll might castigate the dirty style of play that Machado has exhibited.

or fail to appreciate a how good a player Pedroia is/was.


the troll just doesn't know any better, and never will.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 19, 2019, 06:18:24 PM
hilarious rant by a Yankee fan (a kid) on the Machado trade

https://nesn.com/2019/02/young-yankees-fan-blasts-manny-machado-withdraws-welcome-for-red-sox-stars-too/ (https://nesn.com/2019/02/young-yankees-fan-blasts-manny-machado-withdraws-welcome-for-red-sox-stars-too/)

someone should fill him in on Yankee history.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 19, 2019, 06:34:57 PM
Good move by Padres making it a 5 year opt out, not 3 for Manny.

I'd of course project that he gets A-Rodded/Cano'd in time - dealt to a big market.

But Padres become more interesting the next few years.

Is Manny playing SS?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 19, 2019, 06:37:35 PM
LaGrecca on the Kay show thinking  Harper gets less money......

I am not so sure.....

Meanwhile ..... my numbers for deGrom

5 years, 135 mil

24 mil bonus - (spread out)
10 mil in 2020
20 mil in 2021
26 mil in 2022
27 mil in 2023
28 mil in 2024
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 20, 2019, 06:02:25 PM
there's no reason to believe a sewer dwelling shit covered brain-damaged troll might castigate the dirty style of play that Machado has exhibited.

or fail to appreciate a how good a player Pedroia is/was.


the troll just doesn't know any better, and never will.

In other words, you can't argue the point. Machado is a complete player who still has a little old school to his game, something not seen in Boston in years.

Then again, a shit-for-brains cretan like yourself hasn't figured out that Pedroia is Nomar II. Lots of early praise, but in the end, not durable, and seriously greatly overrated.

Ciao, dummy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 20, 2019, 06:18:29 PM
there's no reason to believe a sewer dwelling shit covered brain-damaged troll might castigate the dirty style of play that Machado has exhibited.

or fail to appreciate a how good a player Pedroia is/was.


the troll just doesn't know any better, and never will.

...a shit-for-brains cretan like yourself...

Ciao, dummy.

The irony of your calling somebody a cretan and a dummy is pretty strong.

The word is cretin, cretin!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 20, 2019, 06:25:20 PM
No opinion of the Pedroia conversation - except to say it's pretty damn low to kick a player when he has been so badly injured.

I do appreciate it is more of a jab at Bank than anything, so wont take it personally, Ham.

Be better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 20, 2019, 06:44:44 PM
there's no reason to believe a sewer dwelling shit covered brain-damaged troll might castigate the dirty style of play that Machado has exhibited.

or fail to appreciate a how good a player Pedroia is/was.


the troll just doesn't know any better, and never will.

In other words, you can't argue the point. Machado is a complete player who still has a little old school to his game, something not seen in Boston in years.

Then again, a shit-for-brains cretan like yourself hasn't figured out that Pedroia is Nomar II. Lots of early praise, but in the end, not durable, and seriously greatly overrated.

Ciao, dummy.

heh

There is no point other than the one atop your pin-head.

I called Machado a dirty player. And he demonstrably is and has been fined by MLB for some of his more egregious dirty acts.

Pedroia has nothing to do with Machado's inability to control his darker urges on the field. Much like you can't control your darker urges here.  Machado plays dirty, you post dirtier.

Pedroia is/was an excellent 2nd baseman. Hopefully he will be when he returns this year. He was probably the best fielding 2nd baseman in the AL general for the past decade, with 4 GG, and should have been awarded at least one more.  On top of that he's been a consistently good hitter, with a .300 batting average. He is the protypical little guy good glove/good hit, who could play ball and finds himself playing 2nd base.

Pedroia is about as old-school as it gets.

But you are too fucking dumb to understand that.

Chow

Although having just eaten your dinner, I'm not that hungry.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 20, 2019, 09:04:39 PM
Lowrie hurt
Nimmo hurt

Lets go, Mets!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 20, 2019, 10:24:14 PM
Guess Willie Mays was a dirty player.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 20, 2019, 10:58:16 PM
Guess Willie Mays was a dirty player.

Oh?

How often did he get fined for his conduct?

How often did he go out of his way to step on the first baseman when he ran past the base?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 21, 2019, 02:37:50 PM
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/san-francisco-giants-willie-mays-collides-with-phillies-pat-corrales-picture-id515496820)

No fine. Just baseball. The way it should be played.

Pussies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 21, 2019, 05:13:42 PM
The way it was played when Mays played. It was a more physical game and one that was generally policed by players. If someone slid a little too hard with spikes up, they understood they might catch a fastball on the chin.

But as you fail to ascknowledge the rules were changed to protect the players, often from themselves.


And a photo of Mays from the 50 years ago is no rebuttal about the numerous dirty plays, and fines and suspensions, of Machado over the past few years.

you failed again.

F
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 21, 2019, 05:23:33 PM
 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2019/02/21/veteran-globe-baseball-writer-nick-cafardo-dies/2ApW3rmk8q7I5qfeOmOjfL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2019/02/21/veteran-globe-baseball-writer-nick-cafardo-dies/2ApW3rmk8q7I5qfeOmOjfL/story.html)

Nick Cafardo, the Boston Globe’s nationally recognized and widely respected baseball columnist, died Thursday in Fort Myers, Fla. He was 62. Cafardo’s love of baseball and commitment to his craft compelled him to report to JetBlue Park, the spring training home of the Red Sox, on one of his rare days off. He was apparently stricken by an embolism at the park, and members of the Sox medical team were unable to revive him.

62 is too young.

Nick took over the Sunday Notes column and you could tell he loved the game.

RIP

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 21, 2019, 07:32:19 PM


https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2019/02/21/veteran-globe-baseball-writer-nick-cafardo-dies/2ApW3rmk8q7I5qfeOmOjfL/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2019/02/21/veteran-globe-baseball-writer-nick-cafardo-dies/2ApW3rmk8q7I5qfeOmOjfL/story.html)

Nick Cafardo, the Boston Globe’s nationally recognized and widely respected baseball columnist, died Thursday in Fort Myers, Fla. He was 62. Cafardo’s love of baseball and commitment to his craft compelled him to report to JetBlue Park, the spring training home of the Red Sox, on one of his rare days off. He was apparently stricken by an embolism at the park, and members of the Sox medical team were unable to revive him.

62 is too young.

Nick took over the Sunday Notes column and you could tell he loved the game.

RIP

Sorry to hear it - but while he might have chosen a (much) later date, I don't know that there is anywhere he would have rather died.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 21, 2019, 07:40:59 PM
That you claim the Mays play, while trying to score, is at all the same as the Machado bullshit plays when he was already out at first base is just more delusional posturing by you.

The Pedroia play bothers me not at all, jerk.

(https://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/manny-machado-jesus-aguilar.jpg)

and
https://twitter.com/uSTADIUM_MLB/status/1056400124845457409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1056400124845457409&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fboston.cbslocal.com%2F2018%2F10%2F28%2Fmanny-machado-spikes-mitch-moreland-dodgers-game-4-world-series-loss%2F

These tell me that Machado is a cheapshot artist.

They say the same thing to anybody interested in fair play.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 21, 2019, 09:35:00 PM
(https://sports.cbsimg.net/images//visual/whatshot/McRae-takeout-slides-1-2-030816.jpg)

Hal McRae...dirty player?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 21, 2019, 09:41:57 PM
Red Sox reward their players for dirty plays. Mookie Betts. Dirty player: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/07/red-sox-system-getting-dirty-encouraged/YwEV9igUCRM1VqdY0EUlRM/amp.html (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/07/red-sox-system-getting-dirty-encouraged/YwEV9igUCRM1VqdY0EUlRM/amp.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 21, 2019, 09:43:01 PM
Back in the day when I used to care about such stuff I used to think McRae was a filthy player.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 21, 2019, 09:49:25 PM
Red Sox. Dirt bag cheaters: The Boston Red Sox were caught by baseball’s authorities in a scheme to use the Apple Watch to steal signs from New York Yankees catchers.

Investigators confirmed accusations by the Yankees that a Red Sox trainer used his Apple Watch to receive messages from the team’s video room about upcoming pitches, and then passed those messages to the dugout, where they were signaled to teammates on the field.


That's way worse than sliding hard into second and making Pedroia cry.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 21, 2019, 09:57:51 PM
Dirty Sox: Former Boston Red Sox player and current analyst and reporter for Comcast SportsNet New England, Lou Merloni, claimed last week that Sox management taught players how to use steroids during his tenure with the team.

"I'm in spring training, and I got an 8:30-9:00 meeting in the morning," said Merloni, 38, a native of Framingham, Massachusetts and graduate of Providence College who played five seasons on Yawkey Way as an infielder from 1998-2003.

"And I walk into that office, and this happened while I was with the Boston Red Sox before this last regime, I'm sitting in the meeting. There's a doctor up there and he's talking about steroids, and everyone was like 'Here we go, we're gonna sit here and get the whole thing—they're bad for you.' No. He spins it and says 'You know what, if you take steroids and sit on the couch all winter long, you can actually get stronger than someone who works out clean, if you're going to take steroids, one cycle won't hurt you, abusing steroids it will.'”


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 21, 2019, 10:49:35 PM
its spring training and the poor sad stupid troll is just doing a little peeing down his leg to get into game shape for his full-blown shitting his pants

and all because he's incapable of supporting an opinion.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 21, 2019, 11:22:22 PM
(https://sports.cbsimg.net/images//visual/whatshot/McRae-takeout-slides-1-2-030816.jpg)

Hal McRae...dirty player?

See the plays?

See that they are in progress?!

The two Machado plays I showed had him spiking opponents after the plays were over.

Good luck finding McRae, Mays, or MBetts doing that sort of thing.

I'm not a big fan of spikes up, like the home plate play with Mays, but it's just not in the same bush league as Machado's plays.

You're wrong and you know it, but you cannot help yourself.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 21, 2019, 11:23:50 PM
Red Sox. Dirt bag cheaters: The Boston Red Sox were caught by baseball’s authorities in a scheme to use the Apple Watch to steal signs from New York Yankees catchers.

Investigators confirmed accusations by the Yankees that a Red Sox trainer used his Apple Watch to receive messages from the team’s video room about upcoming pitches, and then passed those messages to the dugout, where they were signaled to teammates on the field.


That's way worse than sliding hard into second and making Pedroia cry.

Nobody but you gives a fuck about the Machado + Pedroia play, but you cannot address the other plays.

You're like DimBulb with his focus on Smollett because the other stuff doesn't fit his narrative.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 09:41:46 AM
Hardball. A different game than the one Richie and Joshie coach their little "special friends" to play.

https://youtu.be/8C4aNME9Q1I (https://youtu.be/8C4aNME9Q1I)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 10:13:41 AM
there are take out slides that are legal and those that are not.

The troll is too dumb to differtentiate or too lazy to understand the difference or appreciate rules of the game have changed.

In any case, he has yet to articulate in any manner, why so many feel Machado is a dirty player, because he can't.

So he prefers meaningless diversions.

And once more he fails.

F
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 12:34:17 PM
Big Papi, steroids user. Defended vehemently by Boston Cartel members. No explanation. Expelled from school.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 12:52:46 PM
Big Papi, steroids user. Defended vehemently by Boston Cartel members. No explanation. Expelled from school.




poor sad over-matched troll continues to throw any irrelevant fact against the wall rather than construct a coherent supportbale argument.

once again he fails.

F
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 04:49:53 PM
While banks works himself into another lather, having had his butt kicked, here's Tom Boswell kicking Harper's ass:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/bryce-harper-and-scott-boras-are-on-the-verge-of-the-least-satisfying-nine-figure-deal-ever/2019/02/22/3373f86c-36d7-11e9-854a-7a14d7fec96a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.417986cced26 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/bryce-harper-and-scott-boras-are-on-the-verge-of-the-least-satisfying-nine-figure-deal-ever/2019/02/22/3373f86c-36d7-11e9-854a-7a14d7fec96a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.417986cced26)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 05:33:32 PM
heh

troll you got your butt spanked so often one can only conclude you derive some pleasure from your public pantsting and humiliation.

I thought you were hot on Harper when you thought he was going to sign with the Phillies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 06:01:36 PM
You think a lot of things. Doesn't make them reality.

Troll

you seemed to take a degree of satisfaction in proclaiming a few days ago that no one would outbid the Phillies for Harper's services.

I thought your 180 on a guy you've been generally critical of, was pretty funny and predictable.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 22, 2019, 06:04:12 PM
Hardball. A different game than the one Richie and Joshie coach their little "special friends" to play.

https://youtu.be/8C4aNME9Q1I (https://youtu.be/8C4aNME9Q1I)

Still can't cope with the truth, can you?

Machado is a cheap shot artist and your comparisons have no relevance to the examples I gave (or others).

But you probably think that charging the mound with a bat is fine, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 07:33:55 PM
I know you can't handle banks getting beat at his own game, but don't feel compelled to try to always protect him. If he's a man, he doesn't need you.

 Just walk away, Joshie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 22, 2019, 07:52:35 PM
heh

the poor troll has tried every distraction possible to avoid the simple truths that

Machado is a dirty player

and that the troll is a brain-damaged moron incapable of handling himself in an honest discussion

you can run away again troll, or change your handle again, but there is no escape for you from the pathetic stupid piece of shit you are and always will be.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 22, 2019, 10:44:19 PM
I know you can't handle banks getting beat at his own game, but don't feel compelled to try to always protect him. If he's a man, he doesn't need you.

 Just walk away, Joshie.

You and Banks both have this faux-macho bullshit about kicking somebody's ass in an internet forum and it's really old.

And part of it is your inability to admit when you are wrong. You're almost as bad at it as DimBulbWard is. So, go ahead, Piggy, and pretend your arguments are relevant. Pretend I would not respond to your crappy arguments the same way whether Banks was here or not. And pretend that your ongoing breaking of your promises don't make it clear just who you are outside the forum as surely as in it.

Everybody knows.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 22, 2019, 11:17:49 PM
Uh, huh, sure.

I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong. For example, I was wrong about you being fairminded .
But the bottom line, I'm rarely wrong.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 22, 2019, 11:50:34 PM
Uh, huh, sure.

I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong. For example, I was wrong about you being fairminded .
But the bottom line, I'm rarely wrong.

You're the second-to-last to admit when you are wrong.

And you have zero ability to evaluate whether anybody else is fairminded.

But I will admit freely to biases, Piggy. Hypocrites who attack others' fairmindedness when they illustrate prejudice on a regular basis are among those I am biased against. Just one example.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 23, 2019, 12:25:55 AM
Looking like a shit year for the AL forum

Sad that you dicks have hijacked it.

NYK forum all that bears visiting these days.

Enjoy the year, idiots.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 23, 2019, 12:44:09 AM
Looking like a shit year for the AL forum

Sad that you dicks have hijacked it.

NYK forum all that bears visiting these days.

Enjoy the year, idiots.

And your contribution makes it ever so much better, Kiiid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 08:20:49 AM
Uh, huh, sure.

I'll be the first to admit when I'm wrong. For example, I was wrong about you being fairminded .
But the bottom line, I'm rarely wrong.

You're the second-to-last to admit when you are wrong.

And you have zero ability to evaluate whether anybody else is fairminded.

But I will admit freely to biases, Piggy. Hypocrites who attack others' fairmindedness when they illustrate prejudice on a regular basis are among those I am biased against. Just one example.


Aw, Joshie. Admit it. You're exactly the same stubborn mule as anyone else. The difference is, that whenever you get frustrated, you label anyone who disagrees with you as a racist or a bigot.

That's as lame as Little Stevie of the Desert, who hides behind others' posts, and tosses out the same ammo.

Grow up.

All I do is present facts about your baseball team, and debunk the BS that exudes from the Boston fans' pores.

Take for example yesterday. The biggest story of the day. Robert Kraft, supporter of human trafficking. How were the calls handled on WEEI? They refused to take any that discussed it.

It's exactly what you do. Try to block or shut down a POV you don't want to hear.

Very juvenile.

Very un-American.

Sad.

Have a great day, hiding from reality, joshie.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 23, 2019, 09:42:55 AM
heh

the troll's delusions continue.

and he may believe them.

Now he portrays himself as the beacon of light showing us the truth as only he sees it.

Thats fine. However, his little beacon is quickly snuffed out and his unique stance gets debunked for his lack of facts supporting the opinion, the unique obsession driving his position, and his faulty pre-constructed conclusions.

Its not hard to crush an idiot troll.

and he gets pissed, acts out in gross anti-social manners, and then realizing his shame, runs away/changes his name and mutates.

I'd say wash, rinse repeat, to indicate the repetitive nature of the troll's act, but the troll only gets filthier as he cycles through the same old shit again and again.

he is incapable of intelligent, thoughtful or decent consersation,

and we all know that, except for the troll. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 23, 2019, 09:47:44 AM
Looking like a shit year for the AL forum

Sad that you dicks have hijacked it.

NYK forum all that bears visiting these days.

Enjoy the year, idiots.

Yanks visit the WC Boston Red Sox  1pm today at Fenway South-Ft. Myers.

and we start anew
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 10:00:21 AM
Looking like a shit year for the AL forum

Sad that you dicks have hijacked it.

NYK forum all that bears visiting these days.

Enjoy the year, idiots.

Tell banks. He is the source of all the horseshit that stains this forum. Had he accepted an honest mea culpa years ago, this would have ended.

Sadly, his perverse pride has impeded that circumstance, and you, sir, are merely his collateral damage.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 10:02:11 AM
Latest on Harper: https://www.mlb.com/news/phillies-feeling-better-in-pursuit-of-bryce-harper (https://www.mlb.com/news/phillies-feeling-better-in-pursuit-of-bryce-harper)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 23, 2019, 10:38:50 AM
heh

delusional troll's revisionist history.

I accepted his apology, and was ready to move on,  unfortunately about a  1 (one) week from his apology, where he promised a new and improved  "Utley", in a pique of anger, he decided to post additional private information about my family.

So I understand that the troll is a degenerate sociopath who believes society's accepted conventions don't apply to him.

There are no more apologies for me to accept as the troll's words are worthless.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 23, 2019, 11:10:32 AM
See what I mean, kid?

He can't handle the truth.

He thinks great volumes of lies and distortions create reality.

Claims I revealed "his family" " private information"?

Nope. Never happened. He did that himself.

He's just a fucked up loser.

And, you knew he couldn't stick to baseball.

Sad, talentless, little man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 23, 2019, 11:32:39 AM
the sad delusional troll is incapable of owning the facts regarding his "meal culpa" which he mea culped.

Quote
Tell banks. He is the source of all the horseshit that stains this forum. Had he accepted an honest mea culpa years ago, this would have ended.

The liar troll keeps on trying to BS around his oozing pathology.


It won't work, too many people here know the truth, and is one reason the troll is widely reviled.

SSDD

On to the baseball season
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 23, 2019, 11:42:49 AM
So what are the team issues that you think will most impact your team's chances  in '19?

For the Sox is it no closer, Chris Sale's health, or will Pedroia hold up?

or?

what has you worried?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 23, 2019, 01:38:03 PM
Looking like a shit year for the AL forum

Sad that you dicks have hijacked it.

NYK forum all that bears visiting these days.

Enjoy the year, idiots.

Tell banks. He is the source of all the horseshit that stains this forum. Had he accepted an honest mea culpa years ago, this would have ended.

Sadly, his perverse pride has impeded that circumstance, and you, sir, are merely his collateral damage.

Continuing to publicly deny you have responsibility for your own actions.

Even as you have admitted you were wrong on that score in the past.

Piggy, you are responsible for your choices.

Banks is responsible for his.

Me for mine.

Same as it ever was.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 23, 2019, 01:43:24 PM
Mostly, I'm not worried.

That doesn't mean that what you cited might not be issues, but we survived Pedroia's absence, I know what the stats are for closing out games overall, and while I would prefer to have a healthy Sale, if we don't our fate will hang on other pitchers' health. Wright is among the bullpen arms that could and would shift at need to starting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 23, 2019, 02:35:04 PM
Mostly, I'm not worried.

That doesn't mean that what you cited might not be issues, but we survived Pedroia's absence, I know what the stats are for closing out games overall, and while I would prefer to have a healthy Sale, if we don't our fate will hang on other pitchers' health. Wright is among the bullpen arms that could and would shift at need to starting.

Not to jinx anything, but the rotation looks like a real strength, if they have to nurse Sale a little with a few skipped starts (for Wright or Johnson or Velazquez) to get him through the season, so be it.  I hope Brasier can be the guy, but I wonder if DD trades a catcher for another late inning guy.  As for Pedroia, I like him as a player, he brings a lot when healthy, and infield D is important. Kinsler was great as a late season pick-up as Nunez wasn't going to cut it. Maybe 2-Way and Holt is enough.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 23, 2019, 09:04:48 PM
For anybody who cares, here are links to the Red Sox Media Guides from 2012 through 2019:
http://pressroom.redsox.com/Directory.aspx?&Location=MEDIA%20GUIDE&dir=Media%20Guides
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 24, 2019, 06:21:19 PM
Phillies rumored to be getting close to snagging Harper.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 24, 2019, 10:26:00 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2821732-projecting-the-next-big-thing-on-each-mlb-team?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral#slide5

Agree with their choices? Disagree?

Best bets among these?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 25, 2019, 12:50:48 AM
https://twitter.com/MLBONFOX/status/1099762153186361344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1099762153186361344&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnesn.com%2F2019%2F02%2Fred-soxs-fenway-park-voted-best-ballpark-in-major-league-baseball%2F

According to MLB on Fox fans, Fenway Park is the best ballpark in the majors.








predictions on objections?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 10:55:28 AM
Dodgers are now in on Harper, as Pads getting Machado has scared them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 10:56:11 AM
https://twitter.com/MLBONFOX/status/1099762153186361344?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1099762153186361344&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnesn.com%2F2019%2F02%2Fred-soxs-fenway-park-voted-best-ballpark-in-major-league-baseball%2F

According to MLB on Fox fans, Fenway Park is the best ballpark in the majors.








predictions on objections?

Thought you don't trust Fox?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 25, 2019, 11:08:58 AM
Time for my weekly "I think Harper is going to wind up back with the Nationals" post.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 25, 2019, 01:24:59 PM
Yankees are said to have given Aaron Hicks a $70 million extension.

7 years seems like a lot for him, given his overall record.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 25, 2019, 03:14:49 PM
I guess they're ready to move on from the Jacoby Ellsbury era.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 26, 2019, 08:30:09 PM
https://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/rockies/colorado-rockies-and-nolan-arenado-agree-in-principle-to-8-year-255-million-deal

That's a ton of money.

Opt out after 3 years. No trade clause.

Could Betts get something similar? Or perhaps more to the point, if he were offered it, would he take it?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 28, 2019, 03:06:46 PM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 28, 2019, 03:25:18 PM
There are 6 games against the Nats prior to May 6 on the schedule this year.

We will see how Harper fits in Philly. I thought he was getting scared to come there, because of facing the Nats so many times, and because Philly fans as a general rule are impatient. But, if they win, he'll be very happy.

Realmuto, to me, at this juncture, is the best deal they made this winter.

 Potential line-up:
2B Cesar Hernandez
SS Jean Segura
RF Bryce Harper
1B Rhys Hoskins
C J.T. Realmuto
LF Andrew McCutchen
3B Maikel Franco
CF Odubel Herrera

Now, continue the stupidity, and go sign Keuchel.

We'll see. $330 million, no optouts, and guaranteed, according to MLB radio.

That's a commitment.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 28, 2019, 03:34:30 PM
That's a good team.  NL East is a bear.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on February 28, 2019, 03:38:15 PM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.
What is the over/under for the date the first D Battery is thrown at him by Phillies fans?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 28, 2019, 04:06:29 PM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.
What is the over/under for the date the first D Battery is thrown at him by Phillies fans?

Philly fans in Clearwater are doing long-toss with C-size as we speak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 28, 2019, 04:08:00 PM
Just took a look at the Sox schedule, they open the seaon with 11 road games (West coast).

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 28, 2019, 04:53:33 PM
That's a good team.  NL East is a bear.

Nats could go get Keuchel, now. Philly, Kimbrel. Those are moves that each can afford, and would be very beneficial to each team. We will see what happens.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 28, 2019, 04:54:05 PM
Just took a look at the Sox schedule, they open the seaon with 11 road games (West coast).

Preseason whining is bad form.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 28, 2019, 04:59:15 PM
Just took a look at the Sox schedule, they open the seaon with 11 road games (West coast).

Preseason whining is bad form.

No whining-just a fact of which I just became aware.

The Sox open the season on the road for their first 11 games.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on February 28, 2019, 06:32:21 PM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.
What is the over/under for the date the first D Battery is thrown at him by Phillies fans?

Still smarting from Thome going to Philly, I see.

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on February 28, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
Back the sucker truck up to Philly...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 01, 2019, 09:21:09 AM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.
What is the over/under for the date the first D Battery is thrown at him by Phillies fans?

Still smarting from Thome going to Philly, I see.

Sad.
Is that where he went? I remember him jumping to a shitty team somewhere, but we replaced him with Pronk, so that was ok.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiX5LWokeHgAhUD9YMKHZkfDtIQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fsports.theonion.com%2Fd-battery-elected-to-philadelphia-sports-hall-of-fame-1819574818&psig=AOvVaw1aUQgp-UE0s2CGha9nfyl-&ust=1551536314708991
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 01, 2019, 09:52:02 AM
1948 is the last time the Cleveland Racists won the World Series.

You could look it up. That's 71 years ago. 71 long years. Why, you could live your whole live in northern Ohio or southern Michigan and never see that banner go up, or have that parade; if you call living in northern Ohio or southern Michigan a life.

Of course, it was the first openly gay baseball team to win a Series, so that's a bit of unknown history for most of you Cleveland sports buffs.

(https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5819e754b28a6436008b6441-750-563.jpg)

 
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/a5dd185407b380c2be3d54e77c0947dfcceac79c/642_394_4573_2744/master/4573.jpg?width=300&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=31c5377e9a515618677e312bc61950d4)

That's Larry Doby on the right, who was Billy Bean before Billy Bean. 

1948

Guess that's why Chief Wahoo is truly red-faced.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on March 01, 2019, 01:52:50 PM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.

A dumb-ass deal.  He turned down 300 over 10 years for this?  180 over 4 years for this??
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 01, 2019, 02:38:17 PM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.

A dumb-ass deal.  He turned down 300 over 10 years for this?  180 over 4 years for this??
Supposedly it is his dlgoal to finish his career with one team. Though I suspect Phillie fan may get him to change his mind.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 01, 2019, 03:15:12 PM
Harper gets bakers dozen with the Phillies.

13/330 no opt outs.

According to Jeff Passan

"Bryce Harper’s deal with the Philadelphia Phillies will be for $330 million, a new record for overall dollars, topping the $325 million of Giancarlo Stanton, league sources tell ESPN."

whether this is "stupid money" remains to be seen.

A dumb-ass deal.  He turned down 300 over 10 years for this?  180 over 4 years for this??

Uh, you're misinformed. Best stick to basketball, where all the "fair deals" are. Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 01, 2019, 03:39:15 PM
Here, Kam. Catch up: https://amp.si.com/mlb/2019/03/01/bryce-harper-philadelphia-phillies-contract-scott-boras (https://amp.si.com/mlb/2019/03/01/bryce-harper-philadelphia-phillies-contract-scott-boras)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on March 01, 2019, 04:03:58 PM
Its a bad deal for Bryce unless he plans to just get lazy and stop trying.   Then it's a great deal for Bryce.  Bad deal for the Philistines.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 02, 2019, 10:37:20 AM
Its a bad deal for Bryce unless he plans to just get lazy and stop trying.   Then it's a great deal for Bryce.  Bad deal for the Philistines.

No. They get  a left handed power hitter in the second most friendly to lefties stadium in the Bigs, they keep the luxury tax down, and they still have the flexibility to add Trout in two years, or whatever pitching they need as the season(s) unfold. 



I think it's a good deal for all sides. Including Boras.

One thing it does, too, is show how the Wilpons continue to stand in the way of the Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 02, 2019, 11:06:25 AM
Yeah. Bad deal for the Phillies:Before the Bryce Harper news broke yesterday, the #Phillies had sold roughly 200,000 more tickets than at this same point last year. They have sold about 100,000 tickets since, #Phillies senior VP of ticket operations John Weber said. Hard to say, but it might be a 1-day record.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-sold-100000-tickets-in-less-than-24-hours-after-signing-bryce-harper-195043717.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-sold-100000-tickets-in-less-than-24-hours-after-signing-bryce-harper-195043717.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 02, 2019, 11:36:07 AM
a little early for me to declare a 13 year deal good or bad, but it seems the Phillies have secured their future DH
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 02, 2019, 12:46:29 PM
In the Fucked Up Owners of Professional Sports Franchises category, Bob "Tug" Kraft has competition from Larry "Don't touch my phone!" Baer:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/03/01/san-francisco-giants-larry-baer-wife-altercation-video (https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/03/01/san-francisco-giants-larry-baer-wife-altercation-video)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 02, 2019, 12:48:20 PM
a little early for me to declare a 13 year deal good or bad, but it seems the Phillies have secured their future DH

DH is coming to NL. For sure. Does that mean the pitch clock goes in?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 02, 2019, 04:15:08 PM
Yeah. Bad deal for the Phillies:Before the Bryce Harper news broke yesterday, the #Phillies had sold roughly 200,000 more tickets than at this same point last year. They have sold about 100,000 tickets since, #Phillies senior VP of ticket operations John Weber said. Hard to say, but it might be a 1-day record.


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-sold-100000-tickets-in-less-than-24-hours-after-signing-bryce-harper-195043717.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/phillies-sold-100000-tickets-in-less-than-24-hours-after-signing-bryce-harper-195043717.html)

He's also apparently been lobbying Bell to come be the Eagles' running back for next season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 04, 2019, 01:16:35 PM
Amazing:

https://twitter.com/Fanatics/status/1102342868398567424 (https://twitter.com/Fanatics/status/1102342868398567424)

That is why he got paid. Nothing to do with regular baseball stats. Already ringing that cash register for the team.

I'll be happy if he plays well, and the team competes down the stretch. But the team has to be over the moon with the dollars he is already generating.

Sorry, Kam, but that's why he was "worth it".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 04, 2019, 02:02:27 PM
Amazing:

https://twitter.com/Fanatics/status/1102342868398567424 (https://twitter.com/Fanatics/status/1102342868398567424)

That is why he got paid. Nothing to do with regular baseball stats. Already ringing that cash register for the team.

I'll be happy if he plays well, and the team competes down the stretch. But the team has to be over the moon with the dollars he is already generating.

Sorry, Kam, but that's why he was "worth it".

Makes sense to me.

Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 04, 2019, 02:08:04 PM
The Harper 24 hr jersey sales pushed the Markelle Fultz jersey sales into 2nd place.



 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 04, 2019, 05:52:06 PM
Chris "Not On" Sale starts lobbying for an LTC: https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/why-chris-sale-believes-he-built-long-haul?utm_source=dlvr.it (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/why-chris-sale-believes-he-built-long-haul?utm_source=dlvr.it)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 04, 2019, 08:35:07 PM
Chris "Not On" Sale starts lobbying for an LTC: https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/why-chris-sale-believes-he-built-long-haul?utm_source=dlvr.it (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/why-chris-sale-believes-he-built-long-haul?utm_source=dlvr.it)

Given the $$ and years flying around, I can't blame him.

But given how 2018 finished, I think his timing is a bit off. Can the Sox sign him while his value is down? I doubt it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 06, 2019, 10:01:35 AM
Trout fishing in America-2019 edition

using cheese-steak as bait?

https://nypost.com/2019/03/06/angels-contact-mlb-about-harpers-possible-trout-tampering/ (https://nypost.com/2019/03/06/angels-contact-mlb-about-harpers-possible-trout-tampering/)

According to the Los Angeles Times, the Angels contacted Major League Baseball on Tuesday regarding Harper’s constant public recruitment of the Angels star, which might be a violation of tampering rules.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 06, 2019, 04:16:31 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2823272-would-moving-the-mound-back-be-baseballs-worst-rule-experiment?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

The idea seems pretty off to me, but I suppose if the unaffiliated minor league is willing to play along, they can do it and see how it goes.

I am more interested in how the robo-umps do on balls and strikes, tbh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 06, 2019, 05:56:30 PM
I just skimmed that article and probably missed the great rationales, but moving the mound back seems dumb and risky.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 06, 2019, 06:01:50 PM
I just skimmed that article and probably missed the great rationales, but moving the mound back seems dumb and risky.

That was pretty much the author's take on it, too, and the reasoning for why resonated.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 06, 2019, 10:08:46 PM
Red Sox caught cheating again? Do the New England teams EVER follow the rules?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-suspends-red-sox-p-steven-wright-80-games-for-ped-violation-224958285.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-suspends-red-sox-p-steven-wright-80-games-for-ped-violation-224958285.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 07, 2019, 12:53:24 PM
I remember first seeing Steven Wright in the early '80s at Ding-Ho. The guy cracked me up. He may have been on drugs back then too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 07, 2019, 01:30:04 PM
Why would a knuckleball pitcher roid up?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 07, 2019, 01:37:56 PM
peer pressure
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 07, 2019, 06:56:45 PM
Why would a knuckleball pitcher roid up?

Because David Ortiz said it would help him heal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 07, 2019, 11:02:37 PM
interesting fact, it seems Steven Wright is the first Red Sox roster player to get a PED penalty.

here's a couple of sources for those who prefer facts to ignorance fueled by obsession

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/legendary/steroids_baseball.shtml (http://www.baseball-almanac.com/legendary/steroids_baseball.shtml)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_suspended_for_performance-enhancing_drugs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Major_League_Baseball_players_suspended_for_performance-enhancing_drugs)

if I counted accurately Phillies had 6 players suspended for PEDs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on March 07, 2019, 11:13:43 PM
Why would a knuckleball pitcher roid up?

Maybe a misinterpretation of what makes "small ball" an effective strategy?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 07, 2019, 11:34:32 PM
sad news about Tom Seaver
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 08, 2019, 12:55:25 PM
Manfred and his gambling has an impact on the lineup:
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2019/03/08/mlb-gambling-lineup-policy (https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2019/03/08/mlb-gambling-lineup-policy)

Pete Rose belongs in the Hall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 08, 2019, 05:01:40 PM
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/la-russa-harper-trout-tampering-disrespectful?src=rss (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/03/la-russa-harper-trout-tampering-disrespectful?src=rss)

La Russa, tamperer.

And known cheater, btw.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 09, 2019, 02:43:40 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2824621-joe-kelly-suffered-back-injury-from-standing-too-long-while-cooking-cajun-food?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Joe Kelly. SMH.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 10, 2019, 02:27:12 PM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/03/mlb-announces-agreement-to-experiment-on-rule-changes-in-independent-atlantic-league.html

Fuller set of rule changes to be tested in the Atlantic League.

It includes minimum three batters or end of inning for relief pitchers, except for injury.

And bigger bases!

I am largely not a fan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on March 14, 2019, 05:47:10 PM
Baseball balls have now been phased out, even in the intercontinental league, the last and most traditional of the three leagues.  All pitches are virtual and stats are kept on velocity, exit angle, brexit angle, and Adam Engel.

Bases are no longer necessary as running has been deemed an "injury-risk" that Amazon insurance refuses to cover.  All baserunning will be done via computer based on 40 yard sprint speeds held at the Baseball Combines every year.  Speeds will accrue 1.5 degrees of age-related air-resistance per season the batter has in the major leagues.   A season is defined as 40 games out of the possible 162 games.

Baseball will always be 162 games.  They will just be 45 minutes long.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 14, 2019, 06:44:03 PM
Baseball balls have now been phased out, even in the intercontinental league, the last and most traditional of the three leagues.  All pitches are virtual and stats are kept on velocity, exit angle, brexit angle, and Adam Engel.

Bases are no longer necessary as running has been deemed an "injury-risk" that Amazon insurance refuses to cover.  All baserunning will be done via computer based on 40 yard sprint speeds held at the Baseball Combines every year.  Speeds will accrue 1.5 degrees of age-related air-resistance per season the batter has in the major leagues.   A season is defined as 40 games out of the possible 162 games.

Baseball will always be 162 games.  They will just be 45 minutes long.

Clever.

Makes me sad how much truth there is to it.

Well, I will always have Strat-o-Matic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 15, 2019, 06:03:29 PM
The rule to reduce expanding roster to 40 players down to 28 is a good one. As is the rule to make a firm July 31 deadline for all trades.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 20, 2019, 10:18:15 AM
I totally forgot about the Japanese winter ball MLB opening day.

Welcome to 2019.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on March 21, 2019, 01:50:37 AM
I totally forgot about the Japanese winter ball MLB opening day.

Welcome to 2019.

This proviso was actually written into the treaty governing the surrender of Imperial Japanese forces after the second great war.

A long time come due.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 21, 2019, 10:11:34 AM
Ichiro hange them up.

Great player.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 22, 2019, 01:41:07 PM
Sox and Sale rumored to be close on a 5/150 extension
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 25, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
Meanwhile, we are channeling the Columbus Clippers for our infield for the first couple weeks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 09:40:12 AM
Joy in Metsville

Mets Extend DeGrom For 5 Years $137 Million
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 26, 2019, 09:56:33 AM
Looks like I was right on -

Said 6-168
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 26, 2019, 01:42:09 PM
Looks like I was right on -

Said 6-168
Yes, other than missing on the years and dollar value, right on in your prediction for the years and dollar value.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 26, 2019, 02:01:37 PM
Guessing he correctly guessed which country's currency would be used for payment.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on March 26, 2019, 06:21:41 PM
There is a 6th year option for another 32.5 mil 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 26, 2019, 07:58:04 PM
Looks like I was right on -

Said 6-168
Yes, other than missing on the years and dollar value, right on in your prediction for the years and dollar value.

well.......with the option years it is 6-170

you may not have known.......

But I did have it starting NEXT season, with JDG playing out the 17 mil for 2019.  (7-185 vs the 6-170)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 08:33:09 PM
heh

kid's after the fact predictions are almost prescient 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 26, 2019, 09:40:45 PM
ALE
Yanks, BoSox, Rays, Jays, O’s

ALC
 Twins, Indians, ChiSox, Royals, Tigers

ALW
 ‘Stros, A’s, Angels, Mariners, Rangers

NLE
Nats, Phils, Braves, Mets, Fish

NLC
Cubs, Cards, Brewers, Pirates, Reds

NLW
Dodgers, Rockies, Padres, D’backs, Giants

Wild Card winners: Bosox, A’s. Phils, Cards.

AL Champions: Astros beat NY

NL Champions: Dodgers beat Nats

WS: Astros beat LA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 26, 2019, 10:16:53 PM
heh

kid's after the fact predictions are almost prescient

......and your constant assumption someone is lying is quite sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 10:24:14 PM
heh

kid's after the fact predictions are almost prescient

......and your constant assumption someone is lying is quite sad.

kid

Why do you bother posting about the accuracy of a prediction that you never made here?

The only one you are fooling is yourself, but you're too dim to grasp that.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 26, 2019, 10:52:38 PM
I suddenly remember why I bowed out of here a week or so back.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 26, 2019, 11:21:07 PM
kid got called and folds again.

big surprise

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 27, 2019, 07:05:25 PM

ALE-Sox

ALC-Tribe

ALW-Astros

NLE-Phillies

NLC-Cubs

NLW-LADs

WC NYY Mariners Nats Brewers

AL Champions: Sox over Astros

NL Champions: Cubs over Dodgers

WS: Sox over Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 27, 2019, 07:11:55 PM
On the issue of Dodger games, the games need to be shown on regular television, such as KTLA channel 5. And the Rams games are broadcast on Jack FM, I think that the Dodger games should be broadcast on Jack FM as well.

I am a huge Dodger fan, and I want to be able to watch the games on television, and it would be nice to be able to listen to the games on FM radio.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 27, 2019, 08:42:24 PM

NLE-Phillies

NLE
Nats, Phils, Braves, Mets, Fish

That's amusing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 27, 2019, 08:44:20 PM
Who do you expect to win this season? Have any award predictions?

What about tonight's game or interleague play for the year?

I imagine this will get fewer total posts and be easier for us to find our predictions.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 27, 2019, 08:47:00 PM
ALE
Yanks, BoSox, Rays, Jays, O’s

ALC
 Twins, Indians, ChiSox, Royals, Tigers

ALW
 ‘Stros, A’s, Angels, Mariners, Rangers

NLE
Nats, Phils, Braves, Mets, Fish

NLC
Cubs, Cards, Brewers, Pirates, Reds

NLW
Dodgers, Rockies, Padres, D’backs, Giants

Wild Card winners: Bosox, A’s. Phils, Cards.

AL Champions: Astros beat NY

NL Champions: Dodgers beat Nats

WS: Astros beat LA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 27, 2019, 08:47:46 PM


ALE-Sox

ALC-Tribe

ALW-Astros

NLE-Phillies

NLC-Cubs

NLW-LADs

WC NYY Mariners Nats Brewers

AL Champions: Sox over Astros

NL Champions: Cubs over Dodgers

WS: Sox over Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2019, 08:37:36 AM
Yanks
Indians
Astros
Red Sox
Twins

Nationals
Brewers
Dodgers
Cardinals
Phillies

Dodgers over Nationals
Phils over Brewers

Indians over Red Sox
Yanks over Astros

Phillies over Dodgers
Yanks over Indians

Yanks over Phils
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 28, 2019, 09:52:56 AM
NL East
Washington
Philadelphia
Atlanta
New York
Miami

NL Central
Chicago
St. Louis
Milwaukee
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati

NL West
Los Angeles
Colorado
San Diego
Arizona
San Francisco

Wildcards: Colorado and St. Louis

NLCS: Washington over Chicago   

AL East
Boston
New York
Tampa
Toronto
Baltimore

AL Central
Cleveland
Chicago
Minnesota
Kansas City
Detroit

AL West
Houston
Oakland
Seattle
Los Angeles
Texas

Wildcards: New York and Tampa

ALCS: Houston over Boston

World Series: Washington over Houston
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2019, 10:44:21 AM
Moneyline bets here

All bets for season are $100.

Play along if you like.  I will do tally.

Max 5 picks per day
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2019, 10:46:42 AM
Using this site for odds.  Whatever figure it locks at game time.

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on March 28, 2019, 11:56:48 AM
Gleyber Torres
Miguel Andujar
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 28, 2019, 12:50:53 PM
AL
East
Red Sox
Yankees
Rays
Blue Jays
Orioles

Central
Indians
Twins
Royals
White Sox
Tigers

West
Astros
Athletics
Angels
Mariners
Rangers

Wild Card: Yankees, Athletics. Yankees win.

AL Champions: Red Sox beat  Astros

NL
East
Phillies
Braves
Nationals
Mets
Marlins

Central
Brewers
Cubs
Cards
Pirates
Reds

West
Dodgers
Padres
Rockies
Giants
D’backs

Wild Card Cubs, Padres. Padres win.

NL Champions: Phillies beat Dodgers

WS: Red Sox beat Phillies



AL MVP & ROY: Vlad Guerrero, Jr.
AL Cy Young: Bauer

NL ROY: Juan Soto (I know, he's a popular choice.)
NL MVP: Bryce Harper
NL Cy Young: Nola
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2019, 12:57:44 PM
Cubs -114 at Texas

Toronto -140 vs Detroit

St Louis +100 vs Milwaukee

Colorado -131 vs Marlins

Arizona +150 vs Dodgers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 28, 2019, 01:18:07 PM
Cubs -114 at Texas

Toronto -140 vs Detroit

St Louis +100 vs Milwaukee

Colorado -131 vs Marlins

Arizona +150 vs Dodgers

Yankees

Cubs

Phillies

Dodgers

Red Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2019, 02:30:49 PM
Soto's a great choice

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2019, 02:31:50 PM
Cubs -114 at Texas

Toronto -140 vs Detroit

St Louis +100 vs Milwaukee

Colorado -131 vs Marlins

Arizona +150 vs Dodgers

Yankees

Cubs

Phillies

Dodgers

Red Sox

I like that strategy

Almost took Seattle vs Sox at +175
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 28, 2019, 02:52:30 PM
Gotta believe there would be an investigation if Soto is rookie of the year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 28, 2019, 03:57:08 PM
AL EAST

Yankees
Red Sox
BJs
Ray's





Orioles

AL CENTRAL

The Land
Minnesota
Chicago
Kansas City
Detroit

AL WEST

Houston
Seattle
Oakland
Los.Angeles
Texas

NL.EAST

Philadel
Braves
DC
Queens
Miami

NL CENTRAL

Chicago
St. Louis
Milwaukee
Pitt
Cinci

NL WEST

Los.Angeles
Colorado
San Fran
San Diego
Phx

AL: 
Boston over Seattle
Houston over Boston
Cleveland over New York
Cleveland over Houston

MVP: Lindor
CY: Kluber
ROY: Vlad

NL:
St. Louis over Atlanta
St. Louis over Philadel
Chicago over LA
St. Louis over Chicago

MVP: Goldschmidt
CY: Nola. Laissez les bons temps rouler.
ROY:

Cleveland over StL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 28, 2019, 05:07:12 PM
 :'(Dave Martinez watch has begun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 28, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
The lead ESPN announcer demonstrated his ignorance tonight.

After watching the 7 runs that Chris Sale gave up, he observed, "Nobody is going to panic about 3 innings in the opener."

He clearly does not know Boston fans!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 28, 2019, 08:53:11 PM
The lead ESPN announcer demonstrated his ignorance tonight.

After watching the 7 runs that Chris Sale gave up, he observed, "Nobody is going to panic about 3 innings in the opener."

He clearly does not know Boston fans!

When the Mariners took a 3-2 lead, I posted in the SoSH game thread-"there is no panic like opening day panic"

heh

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 28, 2019, 10:20:59 PM
Sale's ERA. 21.00.

Grady Little's fault.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 28, 2019, 10:52:36 PM
Sale's ERA. 21.00.

Grady Little's fault.

We can hope that Sale's season goes the way Grady Little's first game pitcher did in 2002 when he got hammered.

I wouldn't bet on it, but I don't know that I would have bet on it then, either.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 29, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
JOSH  3/28

+27.55

+86.96

+60.61

+57.14

-100

---------
Total  +132.26


KID8   3/28

-100

-100

-100

+76.34

+86.96

--------
Total -  -136.70
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 29, 2019, 10:03:28 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 29, 2019, 10:07:25 AM
Going with 4 road teams today

Colorado
St Louis
Houston
LA Angels
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 29, 2019, 11:57:52 AM
Going with 4 road teams today

Colorado
St Louis
Houston
LA Angels

Rockies

Brewers

Padres

Dodgers

Red Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 29, 2019, 12:13:51 PM
You get a good look at Kikuchi today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 29, 2019, 12:18:27 PM
You get a good look at Kikuchi today.

I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 30, 2019, 02:07:54 AM
Another amazing start for a Red Sox pitcher.

But this time an amazing finish for the Red Sox relief staff and the hitters. Down 1-6, but winning 7-6.

A happy ending!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 30, 2019, 09:18:14 AM
Saturday lines

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/scoreboard/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 30, 2019, 09:26:39 AM
Josh 3/29

+64.52

+76.92

+64.52

-100

-100

-----
Total     +$5.96


Kid8  3/29

-100

+92.59

+64.52

+92.59

-------------
Total     +$149.70

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 30, 2019, 09:32:24 AM
Satuday 3/30  picks


Milwaukee, Cleveland


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 30, 2019, 09:36:07 AM
I bailed at 6-2

thank you Mitchy

wake-up wins goes well with coffee

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 30, 2019, 01:47:30 PM
Josh 3/29

Total     +$5.96


Kid8  3/29

Total     +$149.70

Josh 3/28
Total  +132.26


KID8   3/28

Total -  -136.70



Josh cumulative $138.24
Kid8 cumulative $  13.00
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 30, 2019, 01:53:44 PM
Satuday 3/30  picks


Milwaukee, Cleveland

Phillies

Dodgers

Yankees

Cubs

Red Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 31, 2019, 10:45:45 AM
Sunday schedule

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 31, 2019, 10:49:06 AM
Front-runner.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 31, 2019, 10:54:20 AM
Sunday 3/31 winners

Cincy
Colorado
Atlanta
Houston
Chi Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2019, 11:27:25 AM
wake-up wins are more fun.

And from what I saw the Mariners 3rd sacker tried really hard to cooperate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 31, 2019, 12:32:15 PM
I predict rain will impact the games in April. Possibly, today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2019, 12:47:34 PM
I predict: April showers bring May flowers and day-night separate admission double-headers in September.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 31, 2019, 01:07:52 PM
Josh   3/30

-100
-100
-100
+71.43
+50.00
---------
Total     -178.57


Kid8  3/30

+75.76
+83.33
-------
Total   +159.09
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 31, 2019, 07:25:22 PM
Sunday 3/31 winners

Cincy
Colorado
Atlanta
Houston
Chi Cubs

Getting home to a computer too late to predict anything today. 4/1 will see something anew.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 31, 2019, 08:36:47 PM
Sunday 3/31 winners

Cincy
Colorado
Atlanta
Houston
Chi Cubs

Going for the sweep!

Atlanta and Philly at 1-1 in the 5th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2019, 09:42:35 PM
probably could have made a small fortune betting a 3-team parlay today taking udogs against Sox-Yanks-Astros
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2019, 09:43:57 PM
helluva week-end in Seattle.

Sox and Xander near 6/120 extension
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 31, 2019, 10:22:04 PM
Orioles OWN the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 31, 2019, 10:44:08 PM
Orioles OWN the Yankees.

I would laugh so hard if after all the talk and trades and signings by the Yankees and all the talk about the Red Sox the two of them ended up at the bottom of their division.

It's not going to happen, but... it would be funny.

It would also be funny, if not quite as much so, if the Yankees, whose players have been boastful about their home run hitting, ended up behind the Dodgers for homers on the season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 01, 2019, 11:25:53 AM
Yes, well...the O's winning goes back into last season. The Dodgers are a talented team, but only one among the many teams in MLB that can bash homers.

Finally, only 158-159 games to go.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 01, 2019, 11:44:04 AM
Monday 4/1  moneylines


http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 01, 2019, 11:46:37 AM
Well.....if you pick every day you will have your perfectos.....

....and your days when you get blitzed


Kid8   3/31


-100
-100
-100
-100
-100
---------
total     -500

(Cincy, /Colorado and Houston scored 1 run total - heh)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 01, 2019, 11:51:04 AM
4/1 picks


Mets,
Yanks,
Astros,
Red Sox,
Indians
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 01, 2019, 03:16:00 PM
4/1 picks


Mets,
Yanks,
Astros,
Red Sox,
Indians

Tigers
Dodgers
Padres
Blue Jays
Rays
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 09:21:42 AM
Wouldn't have mattered in the bigger picture but Xander was safe. That was one helluva throw that supposedly got him at the plate.

Ys appear a little snake-bit

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2019, 10:06:21 AM
Tuesday 4/2 schedule


http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2019, 10:13:52 AM
Kid8.  4/1

+76.92
+45.45
+64.52
+58.82
-100
----------
Total.  +245.71

Josh.    4/1

-100
-100
-100
-100
+68.97
---------------
Total.    -331.13
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2019, 10:21:11 AM

Kid8.   -82.70


Josh.   -371.46

Anyone else playing?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2019, 03:57:28 PM
4/2 picks

Miami
Minnesota
Seattle
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 02, 2019, 07:04:38 PM
Kid8.  4/1

+76.92
+45.45
+64.52
+58.82
-100
----------
Total.  +245.71

Josh.    4/1

-100
-100
-100
-100
+68.97
---------------
Total.    -331.13

Kiiid's total 145.71

Nobody's going to play if you're keeping score that way!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 02, 2019, 07:05:16 PM

Kid8.   -82.70


Josh.   -371.46

Anyone else playing?

Kid8.   -182.20
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 02, 2019, 07:07:35 PM
4/2 picks

Miami
Minnesota
Seattle

Coming in even later than you.

Washington
Dodgers
Yankees
Houston
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2019, 08:17:15 PM
You can let me pick first every day.  Doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 02, 2019, 10:19:19 PM
You can let me pick first every day.  Doesn't matter.

Thank you. I had no notion that it would be problem, even if I were doing it intentionally.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 02, 2019, 10:25:29 PM
The Red Sox are on a surer path to set a home run record than the Yankees or Dodgers are!

Quote
Most Home Runs Allowed in a Season

AL - 241 homers given up by the 1996 Detroit Tigers

NL - 258 homers given up by the 2016 Cincinnati Reds
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2019, 10:37:14 PM
its like watching batting practice that never ends.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 02, 2019, 10:37:47 PM
Orioles win again!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 03, 2019, 01:08:13 AM
I just watched the Dodgers game tonight on KTLA channel 5, they did great.

Ryu pitched a great game, and Bellinger did a great job with a grand slam home run. 

The Dodgers are doing better on bringing runners home once they get on base, that was something that Dave Roberts has to work on, and he needs to do bunts and sacrifice flies to advance the runners and to get them home. It is frustrating when runners get left on base, they need to get those runners home.

The Giants got a home run, which scored a couple of runs, and then they loaded the bases and got a walk in run, and then a base hit which scored a couple of more runs, but the Dodgers shut them down with a great double play.

The Dodgers won 6 to 5.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 03, 2019, 08:47:18 AM
4/3

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 03, 2019, 10:38:31 AM
Harper should play with some emotion.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 03, 2019, 11:00:08 AM
4/3 picks


St Louis
Toronto
Colorado
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 03, 2019, 11:06:36 AM
I'm sure the Nationals will be very happy with Adam Eaton as their everyday rightfielder.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 03, 2019, 11:08:20 AM
Kid8    4/2

+68.97
+90.91
-100
------------

Total   +59.88


Josh   4/2

-100
-100
-100
+64.52
-----------
Total     -235.48
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 03, 2019, 12:03:12 PM
betting baseball is a tough way to make $

I always thought (and through observation) the most logical way was to bet several udogs (3+ a day) but it takes patience, discipline, decent handicapping, and a decent bankroll to get through the losses.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 03, 2019, 12:04:30 PM
Evan Roberts of the "FAN wants the Nats to drill Harper tonight for the bat flip.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 03, 2019, 12:30:12 PM
Anytime somebody says something like that my first thought is always "why?".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 03, 2019, 01:10:27 PM
I think its a showing up the pitcher/team thing.

Seems a little harsh.

I think the unwritten rules are being re-unwritten, but slowly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 03, 2019, 07:45:53 PM
4/3 picks


St Louis
Toronto
Colorado

Dodgers
Houston
Boston
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 04, 2019, 01:38:33 AM
good CFB win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 04, 2019, 01:51:58 AM
good CFB win

No argument here. And good to see Brasier handle the 9th.

But if we spent a few games not getting behind, just scoring first and most, I would not mind at all!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 04, 2019, 02:58:24 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Yankees

Indians

Cardinals

Angels

Red Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 04, 2019, 10:12:07 AM
There has been some noise from MLB offices that wins coming off of Fernando Rodney are not going to be counted. 

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 04, 2019, 11:27:28 AM
Off a 3-0 night......

4/4

Cardinals
Yanks
Angels
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 04, 2019, 06:48:11 PM
Mookie Moron.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 04, 2019, 06:58:00 PM
Sox put on a clinic in how not to play baseball.

they were brutal in every aspect of the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 04, 2019, 07:07:56 PM
Anytime somebody says something like that my first thought is always "why?".

In his case it's simple. He hates Philly.

Next.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 04, 2019, 07:14:09 PM
Anytime somebody says something like that my first thought is always "why?".
Little Red Evan hates Philly. Especially because the Mets don't spend money.

Meanwhile, in the category of taking small sample sizes and extrapolating outrageous "on a pace to" claims that are soften discussed at this time of year....

The 1999 Indians hold the record for most runs scored in a season by a team, with 1009 runs scored.

The Phil's are on a pace to score....1296 runs this season. Not likely to happen, but fun to think about.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 04, 2019, 11:29:16 PM
good CFB win

No argument here. And good to see Brasier handle the 9th.

But if we spent a few games not getting behind, just scoring first and most, I would not mind at all!

We got half of that recipe...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 05, 2019, 08:13:05 AM
BIG FRIDAY    4/5

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 05, 2019, 08:22:29 AM
Kid8   4/3


+114
+97.09
+68.97
----------
Total     +280.06

Kid8     4/4

+45.45
-100
-----------
-54.55



Overall

-182.20
+59.88
+280.06
-54.55
----------------
Total       +103.19
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 05, 2019, 08:32:38 AM
Josh   4/3


+53.19
+72.99
-100
----------
+26.18

Josh   4/4

-100
-100
+45.45
+50
----------
Total     -104.55


Overall

+26.18
-104.55
-235.88
-371.46
------------
Total     -685.67
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 05, 2019, 09:41:57 AM
good CFB win

No argument here. And good to see Brasier handle the 9th.

But if we spent a few games not getting behind, just scoring first and most, I would not mind at all!

We got half of that recipe...

I'm pretty sure right now the Sox would be challenged by boiling water.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 05, 2019, 11:13:39 AM
 It's April. Time to remind everyone that the season of baseball is a marathon, not a sprint; never get too high or too low; you play one game at a time; everyone is working hard and trying to do their best out there; a lot can change in a short  amount of time; pitching beats hitting and vice-versa. Winning's better than losing, but nothing is guaranteed, and a team is never just one guy.

https://youtu.be/SB_LjL0lUJ4 (https://youtu.be/SB_LjL0lUJ4)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 05, 2019, 01:49:29 PM
Picks    4/5


St Louis
Seattle
Minnesota
Milwaukee
Atlanta
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 05, 2019, 09:39:45 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2829636-red-soxs-flawed-pitching-could-turn-reigning-champs-into-222m-disappointment
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 05, 2019, 09:48:30 PM
This shit is painful to watch.

Sox aspire to be lolly-gaggers. But they are light years of improvement from lolly-gagging. They're just gagging.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 05, 2019, 10:54:18 PM
Phils score 10 mote, beat Twins.

50 runs in 6 games...

Projects to 1350 runs for season.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 06, 2019, 09:01:55 AM
4/6 slate

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 06, 2019, 09:06:47 AM
4/6 picks

Red Sox
White Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 06, 2019, 01:59:39 PM
4/6 picks

Red Sox
White Sox

Braves

Dodgers

Indians

Yankees

Phillies
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 06, 2019, 11:48:36 PM

Braves

Indians

Astros

Yankees

Dodgers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
Kid8  4/5

-100
-100
-100
+80
+62.50
------
Total      -157.50


4/6

-100
-100
--------
Total     -200

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 08:43:45 AM
Josh 4/6


-100
-100
+86.21
+55.56
+50
----------
Total    -8.23
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 08:44:11 AM

Braves

Indians

Astros

Yankees

Dodgers

Is this for Sunday?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 08:48:26 AM
Totals

Josh   -693.90

Kid8   -254.31

Sunday slate:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 12:52:54 PM
4/7 picks

Baltimore
Chi Cubs
Colorado
Tampa Bay
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2019, 12:54:58 PM

Braves

Indians

Astros

Yankees

Dodgers

Is this for Sunday?

When else would it be for?! Next Thursday?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2019, 12:56:54 PM
4/7 picks

Baltimore
Chi Cubs
Colorado
Tampa Bay
Washington

We have two of the same games. (I don't know why I thought it was three.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 12:57:47 PM

Braves

Indians

Astros

Yankees

Dodgers

Is this for Sunday?

Assuming it is.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 01:01:20 PM
4/7 picks

Baltimore
Chi Cubs
Colorado
Tampa Bay

add Nationals
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2019, 01:22:47 PM

Braves

Indians

Astros

Yankees

Dodgers

Is this for Sunday?

Assuming it is.

Seems like a good assumption, given when it was posted (and that I responded to your question before you made the post to which I am responding).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 03:25:25 PM
I really like German.  No idea why I went against him.  Heard an interview with Hess Friday.  That may have been the stupid reason.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2019, 08:47:30 PM
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/07/mlb-needs-to-suspend-chris-archer-and-make-it-count/

Agree? Disagree?

What would make it count?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 09:24:28 PM
5 games - as is the norm.

Will cost him about 240K
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2019, 10:01:32 PM
Josh   4/3


+53.19
+72.99
-100
----------
+26.18

Josh   4/4

-100
-100
+45.45
+50
----------
Total     -104.55


Overall

+26.18
-104.55
-235.48
-371.46
------------
Total     -685.27
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2019, 10:04:49 PM
Totals

Josh   -693.50

Kid8   -254.31

Sunday slate:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

You had a transcription error, this time. $0.40 is smaller than the $100 previous error, but I figured to fix it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2019, 10:34:09 PM
I will let you keep your own slate if you like.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2019, 11:08:28 PM
I will let you keep your own slate if you like.

As I don't know how you are converting $100 bets that win into $$ for the favorites, I would be hard pressed to do that. So, you can keep turning out numbers and I will keep looking at how you add them together.

Besides, the $100 error was with yours, not mine, when you inadvertently neglected to subtract $100 from the rest of a day's total, then putting the mistaken figure in the cumulative total. So, my keeping my own slate would not fix the problem.

But I am sure you are very kind to offer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 08, 2019, 12:45:18 AM

Braves - 58.82

Indians - 62.50

Astros - 52.63

Yankees - 55.56

Dodgers - 58.82

             288.33

Is that right?


If it is, then yours would be this?
Baltimore - -100
Chi Cubs -  -100
Colorado -  -100
Tampa Bay -  86.21
Nationals -    78.74
                -135.05
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 08, 2019, 01:13:31 AM
4/8 picks

Yankees
Oakland
Tampa Bay
San Diego
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 08, 2019, 09:24:07 AM
4/8

Tampa Bay
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 08, 2019, 09:52:31 AM
4/7 results

+78.74
+86.21
-100
-100
-100
--------
-135.05
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 08, 2019, 09:54:32 AM
Kid8  overall

-389.36
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 08, 2019, 10:39:47 AM
Kid8  overall

-389.36

So sensitive!


Josh overall

 -693.50
+288.33
 -405.17
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 08, 2019, 10:47:04 AM
Archer played baseball. Puig played WWE.
Puig should get 10 games. Archer 3.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 08, 2019, 10:48:02 AM
Seeking Creative Excuses Department:

https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-woes-continue-as-toddlers-eye-poke-sends-key-player-to-injured-list-223033118.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-woes-continue-as-toddlers-eye-poke-sends-key-player-to-injured-list-223033118.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 08, 2019, 11:30:39 AM
Seeking Creative Excuses Department:

https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-woes-continue-as-toddlers-eye-poke-sends-key-player-to-injured-list-223033118.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-woes-continue-as-toddlers-eye-poke-sends-key-player-to-injured-list-223033118.html)

I understand he's been suspended for 4 games, pending an appeal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 08, 2019, 11:55:58 AM
Seeking Creative Excuses Department:

https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-woes-continue-as-toddlers-eye-poke-sends-key-player-to-injured-list-223033118.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/red-sox-woes-continue-as-toddlers-eye-poke-sends-key-player-to-injured-list-223033118.html)

I understand he's been suspended for 4 games, pending an appeal.

Time outs can be effective discipline at that age.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 08, 2019, 09:17:26 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2830223-donald-trump-cancels-deal-allowing-mlb-teams-to-sign-cuban-players?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

Trump found another Obama legacy decision to overturn.

It's a dumb move.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 08, 2019, 09:48:27 PM
+58.82

overall  -330.54
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 08, 2019, 10:11:58 PM
4/9

Mets
Indians
Rockies
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 09, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
Finally the home opener

seems a little anti-climatic

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 09, 2019, 06:21:57 PM
The ring ceremony was swell.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 09, 2019, 07:58:41 PM
4/9

Mets
Indians
Rockies

San Diego
Houston
Texas
Milwaukee
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 09, 2019, 09:01:47 PM
Be hopeful, Beaneaters:
http://dev.realclearsports.com/lists/worst_start_end_in_championship/ (http://dev.realclearsports.com/lists/worst_start_end_in_championship/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2019, 02:37:06 AM
4/9

Mets
Indians
Rockies

San Diego  -100
Houston    + 50
Texas       - 100
Milwaukee - 100

-250
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2019, 02:41:47 AM
4/8 picks

Yankees     - 100
Oakland     - 100
Tampa Bay  + 58.83
San Diego   +123.00

                -18.17
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2019, 02:46:10 AM

Josh overall

 -693.50
+288.33
 -405.17

-405.17
-  18.17
-250.00
-673.34
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2019, 02:49:36 AM
4/10 picks

Seattle
Arizona
LA Angels
Oakland
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 10, 2019, 08:53:15 AM
 4/10 schedule, odds

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 10, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
Dodgers
Mets
Indians
Athletics
Diamondbacks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 10, 2019, 09:02:46 AM
4/9

-200
+74.07
--------
Total.  -125.93

Overall

- 456.47
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 10, 2019, 10:55:36 PM
15-0 in the bottom of the ninth. Comeback time!!


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2019, 01:35:18 AM
4/10 picks

Seattle     + 64.52
Arizona     -100
LA Angels  +155
Oakland    +  55.56

-673.34
+175.08
-498.26
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2019, 02:40:56 AM
4/11
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

My picks:
Oakland
Seattle
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 11, 2019, 08:19:48 AM
4/11

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Light slate....

Braves
Pirates
Orioles
Mariners
Red Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2019, 06:46:51 PM
4/11
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

My picks:
Oakland  + 66.67
Seattle   + 69.93

I decided I did not want to bet against the Sox tonight.

- 498.26
+136.6
- 361.66

Closest I've been to breakeven since March!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 11, 2019, 07:42:56 PM
If you make edits after a game (Seattle) is played - hit quote rather than modify.  Looks more kosher that way.

Nice run.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2019, 07:46:40 PM
If you make edits after a game (Seattle) is played - hit quote rather than modify.  Looks more kosher that way.

Nice run.

Good point.

Here's what it looked like before I edited it:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AjHB5DoRYLJEgdN6najPaK2j1il_Vw
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2019, 11:29:05 PM
4/11
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

My picks:
Oakland  + 66.67
Seattle   + 69.93

I decided I did not want to bet against the Sox tonight.

- 498.26
+136.6
- 361.66

Closest I've been to breakeven since March!

And glad I am that I didn't!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2019, 11:31:28 PM
Not a bad come from behind win. Not bad at all - and since we're 1-6 in games in which we score first and 3 - 3 in games in which we score second (if at all), I suppose we should be grateful to have fallen behind, but...

It really seems like a hard way to go to repeatedly put yourselves down 4 or 5 runs before starting the comeback!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 12, 2019, 02:13:03 AM
Picks for 4/12

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

LA Angels
Washington
Seattle
Chicago WS
Tampa
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 12, 2019, 08:04:09 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/12

Washington
Cleveland
Minnesota
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 12, 2019, 07:40:48 PM
Dodgers - 100
Mets +52.64
Indians -100
Athletics +55.56
Diamondbacks -100

4/10 - Kid8

-100
+ 52.64
-100
+ 55.56
-100
-191.80

4/11

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Light slate....

Braves -100
Pirates -100
Orioles -100
Mariners +69.94
Red Sox +54.06

4/11 - Kid8
-100
-100
-100
+ 69.94
+ 54.06
-176.00



-191.80
-176
-456.47
-824.27
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 12, 2019, 08:24:28 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/12

Washington
Cleveland
Minnesota

I know it doesn't matter to us, here, but what happens when there is a postponement? Does one get the bet back in one's account to put up again or does it stick to the game that was bet on, moving to whatever date?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 12, 2019, 11:49:04 PM
Picks for 4/12

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

LA Angels     -100
Washington  -100
Seattle        -100
Chicago WS  +185
Tampa         +  67.57

- 47.43
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 13, 2019, 09:04:09 AM
Gonna start tallying at end of weeks.....

Rough stretch.....not all about starting pitchers these days.....

4/13 odds

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 13, 2019, 09:09:33 AM
4/13 picks

METS
Astros
Red Sox
Cubs
Diamondbacks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 13, 2019, 02:17:02 PM
4/13 picks

METS
Astros
Red Sox
Cubs
Diamondbacks

New I should have done these last night, as I wasn't going to get home from work before the afternoon games started.

Blue Jays
Phillies

I'd have taken the White Sox, but oh well.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 13, 2019, 11:29:13 PM
4/13 picks

METS
Astros
Red Sox
Cubs
Diamondbacks

New I should have done these last night, as I wasn't going to get home from work before the afternoon games started.

Blue Jays +180
Phillies     -100

I'd have taken the White Sox, but oh well. (and would have lost!)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 14, 2019, 12:12:55 AM
Gonna start tallying at end of weeks.....

Is the "end of weeks" after Friday games, after Saturday games, or after Sunday games?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 14, 2019, 03:41:19 AM
4/14

Detroit
Houston
LA Dodgers
NY Mets
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 14, 2019, 08:01:52 AM
4/14

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Phillies
Mets
Red Sox
Astros
Nationals
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 14, 2019, 11:32:40 AM
Gonna start tallying at end of weeks.....

Is the "end of weeks" after Friday games, after Saturday games, or after Sunday games?

good luck in pinning down kid to a timely accurate count.

Although, "end of weeks" is better than "end of Days"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 14, 2019, 10:51:05 PM
4/14

Detroit       -100
Houston     + 52.64
LA Dodgers + 71.43
NY Mets     -100

- 75.93 (4/14)
+ 80.00 (4/13)
- 47.43 (4/12)
-361.66 (prior cumulative)
-405.02
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 15, 2019, 09:58:59 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Dodgers
Padres
Red Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 15, 2019, 10:56:18 AM
1-0
1-2
2-3
2-3
0-2
1-4
3-2
-------------
10-16 week
numbers to come
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 15, 2019, 12:58:31 PM
-389 to start week

-1600 lost bets

wins

+59 (TB Monday)
+74 (Indians Tuesday)
+109 (Mets, A's) Wed
+124 (Mariners, Red Sox Thu)
-  Fri
+53 (Astros Sat)
+162 (Phils, Red Sox, Astros Sun)


+581
------------------

-1408
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 15, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Dodgers
Padres
Red Sox

Minnesota
Kansas City
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 15, 2019, 03:57:48 PM
Go, O's!

Meanwhile, the NL East is living up to its billing. it will be one of the greatest seasons of all time, if all those teams stay healthy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 15, 2019, 05:08:45 PM
Nola vs Mets LH brigade.  May not be pretty.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 15, 2019, 05:53:48 PM
Go, O's!

Meanwhile, the NL East is living up to its billing. it will be one of the greatest seasons of all time, if all those teams stay healthy.

Oh, those mighty Orioles, a whopping one game ahead of the incredibly lame Red Sox.

And that amazing NL East gathering has a total of one team with more wins than losses over a team with a winning record.

They need to do better than that to be a great season, let along among the greatest. They were better at this point last year than they are now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 15, 2019, 06:34:51 PM
I think the NL East is going to be great this season and save Florida, it appears the teams are all very good and very even-matched.  Nothing that's taken place so far has disproven that.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 15, 2019, 07:31:47 PM
Go, O's!

Meanwhile, the NL East is living up to its billing. it will be one of the greatest seasons of all time, if all those teams stay healthy.

Oh, those mighty Orioles, a whopping one game ahead of the incredibly lame Red Sox.

And that amazing NL East gathering has a total of one team with more wins than losses over a team with a winning record.

They need to do better than that to be a great season, let along among the greatest. They were better at this point last year than they are now.

I think you don't really understand baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 15, 2019, 07:34:25 PM
I think the NL East is going to be great this season and save Florida, it appears the teams are all very good and very even-matched.  Nothing that's taken place so far has disproven that.

Agreed.

The entire NL is a horserace. Which is cool. Signs are that SD may sign Keuchel. Big park, West coast, one year.

We'll see. Meanwhile, Kimbrell still unsigned. Maybe Boston wants him back, since their record so far is worst than 28 NL teams.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 15, 2019, 09:04:58 PM
I think the NL East is going to be great this season and save Florida, it appears the teams are all very good and very even-matched.  Nothing that's taken place so far has disproven that.

Agreed.

The entire NL is a horserace. Which is cool. Signs are that SD may sign Keuchel. Big park, West coast, one year.

We'll see. Meanwhile, Kimbrell still unsigned. Maybe Boston wants him back, since their record so far is worst than 28 NL teams.

If he could start...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 15, 2019, 09:06:32 PM
Go, O's!

Meanwhile, the NL East is living up to its billing. it will be one of the greatest seasons of all time, if all those teams stay healthy.

Oh, those mighty Orioles, a whopping one game ahead of the incredibly lame Red Sox.

And that amazing NL East gathering has a total of one team with more wins than losses over a team with a winning record.

They need to do better than that to be a great season, let along among the greatest. They were better at this point last year than they are now.

I think you don't really understand baseball.

I don't pretend to understand your idiosyncratic view of it.

But I am unconcerned with your estimating of my understanding of it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 16, 2019, 08:16:02 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/16

1-2 for week

Rays
Braves
Twins
Padres
White Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 16, 2019, 09:11:59 AM
Go, O's!

Meanwhile, the NL East is living up to its billing. it will be one of the greatest seasons of all time, if all those teams stay healthy.

Oh, those mighty Orioles, a whopping one game ahead of the incredibly lame Red Sox.

And that amazing NL East gathering has a total of one team with more wins than losses over a team with a winning record.

They need to do better than that to be a great season, let along among the greatest. They were better at this point last year than they are now.

I think you don't really understand baseball.

I don't pretend to understand your idiosyncratic view of it.

But I am unconcerned with your estimating of my understanding of it.

Thanks for confirming the original assessment.

Give you credit for being a real fan, though, being here when the Sox are losing, and operating far below expectations. The rest of the cartel, and its loudest braggart are in hiding still. Kudos to you, Joshie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 16, 2019, 11:26:20 AM
and Elba credits you being being a real asshole-stalker-know nothing troll

Sox poor start has nothing to do with Kimbrel and everything to do with shitty starting pitching, lack of timely hitting and lolly-gagging.

Hopefully they will start to play better baseball. and soon.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 16, 2019, 02:07:18 PM
Leon called up, Sox DFA Swihart

short leash with Swiahart seems a little rash
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 16, 2019, 02:38:20 PM
The Red Sox spent all of last year saying how great Leon was with the pitching staff.  Can't understand why they chose Swihart over him in the first place. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 16, 2019, 03:13:44 PM
Could be any number of reasons.  Sox might be grateful Sandy didn't get scooped up, though my guess is there are a few other options out there
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 16, 2019, 03:15:29 PM
I think the theory with such things is that a team can always find a good defensive catcher (the same theory applies to kickers in the NFL I guess), but it never quite seems to work out that way.  It seems to me that Swihart had a ton of chances to prove his worth. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 16, 2019, 05:21:43 PM
The Red Sox spent all of last year saying how great Leon was with the pitching staff.  Can't understand why they chose Swihart over him in the first place.

Leon is the better defensive catcher, and game caller, but he was no hit. Swihart made the team for his bat potential, but he was trade bait during ST, with no takers.

While totallly agree that Swihart has been given the time and opportunity to suceed, this early-season DFA seems a little desperate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 16, 2019, 06:24:38 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/16

1-2 for week

Rays
Braves
Twins
Padres
White Sox

Pirates   + 97.09
Astros
Rangers
Blue Jays
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 16, 2019, 09:33:47 PM
That was f'ugly.

at least it was relatively quick.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 16, 2019, 09:50:18 PM
The Red Sox spent all of last year saying how great Leon was with the pitching staff.  Can't understand why they chose Swihart over him in the first place.

Leon is the better defensive catcher, and game caller, but he was no hit. Swihart made the team for his bat potential, but he was trade bait during ST, with no takers.

While totallly agree that Swihart has been given the time and opportunity to suceed, this early-season DFA seems a little desperate.

Nobody took Sandy on waivers. Maybe Blake will go through, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 16, 2019, 10:34:54 PM
Go, O's!

Meanwhile, the NL East is living up to its billing. it will be one of the greatest seasons of all time, if all those teams stay healthy.

Oh, those mighty Orioles, a whopping one game ahead of the incredibly lame Red Sox.

And that amazing NL East gathering has a total of one team with more wins than losses over a team with a winning record.

They need to do better than that to be a great season, let along among the greatest. They were better at this point last year than they are now.

I think you don't really understand baseball.

I don't pretend to understand your idiosyncratic view of it.

But I am unconcerned with your estimating of my understanding of it.

Thanks for confirming the original assessment.

Give you credit for being a real fan, though, being here when the Sox are losing, and operating far below expectations. The rest of the cartel, and its loudest braggart are in hiding still. Kudos to you, Joshie.

Your orignal assessment was decades ago and had nothing to do with me. Kind of like this one - I care as much about your assessment of me as a real fan as I do about your assessment of my baseball knowledge.

I am generally interested in your assessments of tons of stuff about teams and players, when you can steer clear of your obsessions. But I see no reason for you to care about my assessments of your posts, inane and otherwise, with rare exception.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 16, 2019, 10:53:44 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/16

1-2 for week

Rays
Braves
Twins
Padres
White Sox

Pirates    +  97.09
Astros    +  64.52
Rangers   + 85.47
Blue Jays +140.00

+387.08 --> today
-405.02 --> prior score
- 17.94
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 17, 2019, 08:15:39 AM
2-3
3-5 week

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/17

Minnesota
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Chi (A)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 17, 2019, 08:24:52 AM
Nobody scapegoats like your Boston Red Sox (hello, Juan Nieves and Chili Davis), and so on Tuesday the world learned that Swihart had been outrighted to make room for the return of Leon, who was batting a robust .120 with Pawtucket.

Do not wait under water for the Sox to admit that they were wrong about anything. Ever. They aren’t likely to admit they misused and abused Swihart starting in 2016 (they are now likely to get zip for an athletic, switch-hitting 27-year-old catcher). They’ll continue to insist that their “plan” to hold the starters back in spring training was a swell idea. They aren’t going to come clean and tell you that the Dustin Pedroia comeback should have included a longer stay in the minors. And on Tuesday they wouldn’t admit that keeping Swihart instead of Leon to start the season was a mistake. No. This sudden switch was just something they decided to do because . . . well, it was time. Oh, they want you to know that this was not a result of complaints from starting pitchers.


Perhaps it’s time for Larry Lucchino’s CEO title to be restored to the Boston masthead so the Sox can blame this hideous start on evil Larry
...

Fun reading.  https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/04/16/shaughnessy/N1Y8ItQxrglujNEdU6i2kI/story.html?p1=Article_Recirculation_Pos2 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/04/16/shaughnessy/N1Y8ItQxrglujNEdU6i2kI/story.html?p1=Article_Recirculation_Pos2)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 17, 2019, 09:46:26 AM
Why would the starting pitchers need to complain?  It's right there in front of all of our faces.  Sox missed Leon.

I wish Swihart well.  I don't know if he worked his ass off to be a better defender.  If not, maybe he will now.  If he did, that should bode well for his future.  Dude can play on the offensive side - and his versatility (thank the Sox for this) is surely a positive.

Does being a first round pick change how you are treated in an organization?  Yep.  Blake is Exhibit A.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 17, 2019, 10:14:05 AM
As noted yesterday, the Swiahart DFA struck me as rash and desperate.

Sox are playing poorly in every phase of the game. pitching, hitting, defense.

They just suck.

They seemed unprepared to start the season and have yet to play out of the funk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 17, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/16

1-2 for week

Rays
Braves
Twins
Padres
White Sox

Pirates   + 97.09
Astros
Rangers
Blue Jays

Again - not a good look here with the 9:54 edit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 17, 2019, 04:26:53 PM
(https://static.setalarmclock.net/images/social/en/set-alarm-for-6-12-am.jpg)

6-12. This is your wake-up call, Bosox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 17, 2019, 07:04:36 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/16

1-2 for week

Rays
Braves
Twins
Padres
White Sox

Pirates   + 97.09
Astros
Rangers
Blue Jays

Again - not a good look here with the 9:54 edit.

I agree.

I do however feel the same way to constantly changing systems and rounding $$ up from $.20 to $1.

I will try not to do that again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 17, 2019, 07:07:43 PM
2-3
3-5 week

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/17

Minnesota
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Chi (A)

Miami
Arizona
Toronto
Baltimore
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 17, 2019, 10:09:12 PM
2-3
3-5 week

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/17

Minnesota
Atlanta
Tampa Bay
Chi (A)

Miami      -100
Arizona   +155
Toronto   -100
Baltimore -100

-145 for the day
- 17.94 prior total
-162.94 new total
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2019, 03:03:05 AM
4/18
Yankees
Rays
Twins
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 18, 2019, 08:05:48 AM
2-2
5-7
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/18

Tampa Bay
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 18, 2019, 08:54:07 AM
Banks and other Boston "fans" probably missed this, so here you go: https://www.mlb.com/video/brett-gardner-hits-a-grand-slam-4-to-right-center-field-clint-frazier-scores-mik (https://www.mlb.com/video/brett-gardner-hits-a-grand-slam-4-to-right-center-field-clint-frazier-scores-mik)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 18, 2019, 10:05:26 AM
and the troll's dual obssessions continues.

busy night last nifght

Sox-Celts-Bruins plus pre-Barr on CNN/MSNBC

remote got a good work out.

and generally I was not on-line

Sox-still suck, 0-2 meatball to Gardy JFC

but C's and Bs came through

and just watched Barr's partisan infomercial for a corrupt wannabe dictator

America lost.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 18, 2019, 11:13:03 AM
Alex Cora's approval rating in Beanville has drop 20% since opening day.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2019, 08:35:56 PM
Alex Cora's approval rating in Beanville has drop 20% since opening day.

Heh

Fortunately, he is not up for reelection anytime soon. Plenty of opportunity to improve it. I remember what happened to Kapler's in Philly at the start of last year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2019, 11:30:09 PM
4/18
Yankees -100
Rays     -100
Twins    -100

-300 During
-162.94 Before
-462.94 After
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 19, 2019, 08:19:01 AM
0-1
5-8

Lets see what the system has today

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

St Louis
Pittsburgh
Chicago (N)
Tampa Bay
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 19, 2019, 09:53:29 AM
0-1
5-8

Lets see what the system has today

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

St Louis
Pittsburgh
Chicago (N)
Tampa Bay

Red Sox
Rangers
Nationals
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 19, 2019, 05:25:12 PM
Alex Cora's approval rating in Beanville has drop 20% since opening day.

Heh

Fortunately, he is not up for reelection anytime soon. Plenty of opportunity to improve it. I remember what happened to Kapler's in Philly at the start of last year.
. Comparing a first year manager and fans' disenchantment with a guy who just won you a World Series and his "fans" rejection is pretty weak, Joshie.

Panic in Boston before April is through?

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 19, 2019, 06:39:41 PM
The only thing that is sad is the troll's endless non-stop obssesion with Boston.

Another triple-header tonight.

GO BOSTON
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 19, 2019, 10:43:19 PM
If it wasn't for me, you'd still be in hiding, loser.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 19, 2019, 10:54:08 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/d-backs-acquire-c-swihart-005234774.html

yyeppppp
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 19, 2019, 11:24:16 PM
0-1
5-8

Lets see what the system has today

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

St Louis
Pittsburgh
Chicago (N)
Tampa Bay

Red Sox  + 90.91
Rangers  -100.00
Nationals -100.00

-109.09 During
-462.94 Before
-572.03 After
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 20, 2019, 09:42:25 AM
If it wasn't for me, you'd still be in hiding, loser.

hiding? heh

I've been here (etal) with all too great a frequency and consistency for over 20 years
good games games bad games good years bad years.

you're the punk who runs away and hides when it gets too hot in the kitchen.

troll you assign a value to your stalking?

you're a socio-path stalker asshole with nothing of value to add.

You try to suck the joy from sport, but instead you just suck.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 20, 2019, 09:48:35 AM
2-2
7-10 for week

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Rays
Pirates
Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 20, 2019, 09:52:46 AM
Is it Price or Porcello today?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 20, 2019, 09:55:22 AM
Porcello

Price is up tomorrow
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 20, 2019, 10:29:35 AM
Any idea what Sale's deal is?  Cause and effect from the playoff strain?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 20, 2019, 10:35:14 AM
Sales a mystery.

I think there is likely some ailment preventing him from being Sale (missing power and command) and fatigue from last year is probably the most benign explanation.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 20, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
speaking of ailments...

Eovaldi to IL

right elbow "loose bodies"

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 20, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
Sales a mystery.

I think there is likely some ailment preventing him from being Sale (missing power and command) and fatigue from last year is probably the most benign explanation.

Had the power back in the last outing, but not the command.

I don't think it's fatigue, given how few innings he pitched after July. OTOH, I don't know if he ever got right from whatever injury he had, despite the new contract extension.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 20, 2019, 01:37:57 PM
2-2
7-10 for week

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Rays
Pirates
Cubs

Arizona
Philadelphia
San Diego
Toronto
Seattle
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 20, 2019, 05:33:58 PM
2-2
7-10 for week

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Rays
Pirates
Cubs

Arizona        +122
Philadelphia   + 71.43
San Diego     -100
Toronto       +135
Seattle        +109

+237.43 4/20 Tally
-572.03 Old
-334.60 New Total
-200     4/15, not previously tallied
-534.60 True new total

Maybe a good Sunday for you will help you to keep above -$2,000, Kiiid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 20, 2019, 09:57:42 PM
Wham, bam thank you Pham.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 20, 2019, 10:24:17 PM
Wham, bam thank you Pham.

That was quite the way to end the game!

And welcome to the big leagues, Michael Chavis!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2019, 02:04:36 AM
Bets for 4/21

Boston
Toronto
Seattle
Philadelphia

May change before gametime.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 21, 2019, 09:12:57 AM
1-2
8-12 week

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Pirates
Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2019, 06:22:33 PM
Bets for 4/21

Boston        +100
Toronto       +138
Seattle        -100
Philadelphia  -100

May change before gametime.

+  38     Today
-534.60  Prior
-496.60  Going into Monday

12 - 13 for the week. I wonder what it is total. I'm losing just over $20 per day on average, which should be something I can make up...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 21, 2019, 06:47:26 PM
Productive week-end at the Trop.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2019, 11:23:55 AM
Productive week-end at the Trop.

It was quite the turn-around compared to what we've been seeing since the start of the year. No promises that it will keep going, but far more positive a look, despite the relief adventures.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2019, 01:30:58 PM
Productive week-end at the Trop.

It was quite the turn-around compared to what we've been seeing since the start of the year. No promises that it will keep going, but far more positive a look, despite the relief adventures.

it was a good week-end for a resurrection.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2019, 01:49:07 PM
Predictions for 4/22:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Pirates
Brewers
Nationals
Rangers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2019, 02:13:03 PM
9-13 week using system

Backing off it for this week

Monday 4/22

Royals
Angels
Astros
Rangers

Bank's right - cant just pick faves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2019, 02:19:49 PM
System says take Red Sox, Pirates and Astros.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2019, 02:27:45 PM
System says take Red Sox, Pirates and Astros.

0-4 Chris Sale says take Tigers, and I would have if I were betting against the Red Sox, but I hate betting against the Red Sox!

I also agree with Banks and have not been only taking favorites since this started. But of course the hard part is figuring out which "not favorites" to take.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2019, 02:31:39 PM
Regression and progression to mean for Boyd and Sale, respectively

System pick is based on DET record over last ten.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2019, 05:01:36 PM
9-13 week using system

Backing off it for this week

Monday 4/22

Royals
Angels
Astros
Rangers

Bank's right - cant just pick faves.

betting money line favorites is stacked against the average bettor, and the payouts reflect the public's tendency to bet favorites

to break even you need to be right about 55-60% of the time.

You anywhere near 60%?

My analysis says you "can" win $ by betting value heavy underdogs, but you need to play a porfolio of them and be willing to bankroll the losers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2019, 05:47:36 PM
9-13 week using system

Backing off it for this week

Monday 4/22

Royals
Angels
Astros
Rangers

Bank's right - cant just pick faves.

betting money line favorites is stacked against the average bettor, and the payouts reflect the public's tendency to bet favorites

to break even you need to be right about 55-60% of the time.

You anywhere near 60%?

My analysis says you "can" win $ by betting value heavy underdogs, but you need to play a porfolio of them and be willing to bankroll the losers.

9-13 suggests that he is not near 60% for the week. Down more than $2,000 for the 24 days so far (though Kiiid has not provided the tally in his weekly update, yet) suggests he is not near 60% for the season. Or, rather, not near 60% in wins for the season.

I'm, not, either, though I have not tallied my W-L total, yet, just my $$.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2019, 06:29:44 PM
The point is to roughly break-even betting mostly favorites (which from eyeballing kid's picks appears to be his strategy) you have to be correct 60% (depending upon the ML) of the time. I'd rather try to win $ by only having to be correct 40-45% by picking underdogs. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2019, 07:56:35 PM
Seems it has to be closer to 66% if you are betting solely faves, especially if a portion of them are BIG faves.

This is my first time working with baseball betting models.  Seeing what works and doesnt.  In real world of course parlays and betting with runs comes into play.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2019, 08:09:09 PM
Seems it has to be closer to 66% if you are betting solely faves, especially if a portion of them are BIG faves.

This is my first time working with baseball betting models.  Seeing what works and doesnt.  In real world of course parlays and betting with runs comes into play.

nope. Historically MLB favrites win around 55-60% of the time.

If you are betting heavy favs -170 and higher, the breakeven is somewhere in the 60-70% neighborhood.

As I recall you were touting some model last year, but were very quiet about giving any details when asked about it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2019, 08:43:27 PM
Cool stat of the day:

https://twitter.com/InfieldChatter/status/1120401891157057539
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 23, 2019, 01:19:01 AM
Predictions for 4/22:

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Pirates
Brewers
Nationals
Rangers

-400

So much for the system - Pirates and Houston lost. Good thing for the Red Sox that they didn't play!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 23, 2019, 01:20:29 AM
9-13 week using system

Backing off it for this week

Monday 4/22

Royals
Angels
Astros
Rangers

Bank's right - cant just pick faves.

You've still got one game to go - you might not go 0-4, too, yet.

ETA: Chapman blows the save in the bottom of the 12th after hitting the 8th batter, a .111 hitter. You live to the 13th! 2am here. I can manage another inning or two, right?

ETAA: Bottom of the 14th, the Angels bring up a pitcher to pinch hit for their pitcher. He struck out. The winning run got on base on an error following a strikeout, when Lucroy soft tossed the ball over the first baseman. We're both 0-4 to start the week, Kiiid, despite your backing off the system.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2019, 09:23:07 AM
System - 0-2

Me - 0-4

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/23

System picks Red Sox Game 1 - and if they win - again in Game 2.

Also - Cubs, Rockies, Indians

My picks are -

Mets, Brewers, Atlanta, Oakland, Minnesota

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2019, 12:07:53 PM
kid

lets try this again.

Can you describe the system and how it selects winners? What variables does it primarily target?

How does it differ from your insights?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2019, 01:35:45 PM
Sorry, Bank...... had you on Iggy on this computer.  You're off now.

SYSTEM is basically choosing

- all home teams
- hot teams or teams playing cold road teams

Doesnt factor in

- odds
- pitchers

When I pick I like to consider the pitchers - and will now also consider best values (was ignoring that earlier)
For instance - I like Sale today - but what is the value?  Will only pay about 40 bucks, risking 100.  My Minnesota pick today I think is at $127.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 23, 2019, 06:59:34 PM
System - 0-2

Me - 0-4

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/23

System picks Red Sox Game 1 - and if they win - again in Game 2.

Also - Cubs, Rockies, Indians

My picks are -

Mets, Brewers, Atlanta, Oakland, Minnesota

The system is silly if it doesn't consider pitchers.

But I would pick the Rockies, too.

Rockies
Dodgers
Rays
Astros
Rangers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 23, 2019, 10:16:25 PM
System - 0-2

Me - 0-4

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/23

System picks Red Sox Game 1 - and if they win - again in Game 2.

Also - Cubs, Rockies, Indians

My picks are -

Mets, Brewers, Atlanta, Oakland, Minnesota

The system is silly if it doesn't consider pitchers.

But I would pick the Rockies, too.

Rockies  -100
Dodgers -100
Rays     + 54.06
Astros   + 66.67
Rangers -100

- 189.27 for today
- 400.00 yesterday
- 496.60 after Sunday's games
-1085.87 going into Wednesday for me.

I suppose since Kiiid has stopped sharing his numbers, I will update them.

No O-fer for me tonight! (If I win more than one, I will be pleased, but at least the shutout is avoided.)

Looks like you'll have the same record as me for the 2nd night in a row, Kiiid, but score a loss of about $27 fewer dollars.

The system did worse than both of us.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on April 24, 2019, 07:18:57 AM
Bryce Harper has to be the most overrated ballplayer in the history of the sport. A .249 hitter!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2019, 09:30:59 AM
.278 career.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2019, 09:46:55 AM
System -   1-3, 1-5
Me -   2-3, 2-7

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

4/24 picks to come
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2019, 10:03:50 AM
at some point kid will have his Costanza epiphany.

heh

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2019, 10:04:31 AM
and 2-steps back
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2019, 10:08:43 AM
System picks

Rockies, Cubs, Blue Jays

My picks

White Sox, Yankees, Phillies, Blue Jays, Nationals
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2019, 10:19:45 AM
Josh - do as you wish, but I can handle my own business, thanks.  I am sure yiou will note when I miss a comma.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 24, 2019, 02:13:55 PM
Josh - do as you wish, but I can handle my own business, thanks.  I am sure yiou will note when I miss a comma.

Or misspell "you."

But Kiiid, you established the pattern. Then you changed it. Then, when your score got beyond -$2000, you stopped posting it at all.

It's not a question of can or cannot handle your own business, but whether you are still bothering to count. Given your readiness to chide me for "appearances" it seems to me pretty absurd for you to be complaining that I'm not letting you handle your own business.

Same old same old.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 24, 2019, 06:12:01 PM
System picks

Rockies, Cubs, Blue Jays

My picks

White Sox, Yankees, Phillies, Blue Jays, Nationals

My picks for 4/24

Mets
Red Sox
Indians
Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 24, 2019, 06:25:03 PM
If it wasn't for me, you'd still be in hiding, loser.

hiding? heh

I've been here (etal) with all too great a frequency and consistency for over 20 years
good games games bad games good years bad years.

you're the punk who runs away and hides when it gets too hot in the kitchen.

troll you assign a value to your stalking?

you're a socio-path stalker asshole with nothing of value to add.

You try to suck the joy from sport, but instead you just suck.
Don't lie.

Wait. That's all you ever do.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 24, 2019, 06:30:09 PM
Up 9-0 and headhunting with 96mph fastball? Warned. Does it again. No ejection?

Pitching in. NP.

Retaliation pitching because your guys got hit. Go ahead. But ribs or butt, not head, these days.

And what's a warning, when there's no consequence?

Pitcher and ump =
Dumb.

That leads to wars.

Get ready, Joe Torre.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 24, 2019, 06:41:53 PM
If it wasn't for me, you'd still be in hiding, loser.

hiding? heh

I've been here (etal) with all too great a frequency and consistency for over 20 years
good games games bad games good years bad years.

you're the punk who runs away and hides when it gets too hot in the kitchen.

troll you assign a value to your stalking?

you're a socio-path stalker asshole with nothing of value to add.

You try to suck the joy from sport, but instead you just suck.
Don't lie.

Wait. That's all you ever do.

Heh

zzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 24, 2019, 07:51:35 PM
System picks

Rockies, Cubs, Blue Jays

My picks

White Sox, Yankees, Phillies, Blue Jays, Nationals

My picks for 4/24

Mets     -100
Red Sox + 45.46
Indians
Cubs     +106

Scratch the Indians - their game was this afternoon.

+   51.46 --> Today
-1085.87 --> Before Today
-1034.41 --> After Today
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2019, 09:19:27 PM
Tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/VladGuerrero27/status/1121210485934821377
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 24, 2019, 10:33:28 PM
Best revenge. 34 seconds to round the bases:

https://www.mlb.com/phillies/video/rhys-hoskins-homers-7-on-a-fly-ball-to-left-field-bryce-harper-scores?t=t143-default-vtp (https://www.mlb.com/phillies/video/rhys-hoskins-homers-7-on-a-fly-ball-to-left-field-bryce-harper-scores?t=t143-default-vtp)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2019, 11:00:37 PM
Not sure the Mets care - though many of our dumbass fans surely do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 24, 2019, 11:57:05 PM
Tweet of the day

https://twitter.com/VladGuerrero27/status/1121210485934821377

Sweet tweet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 25, 2019, 12:38:53 AM
Nice come from behind by the Yankees, though the Angels' pitching sure helped.

Great catch by Trout, to potentially stem the tide.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2019, 08:33:09 AM
System gets a winning day

2-1, 3-6

Me - 2-3, 4-10

4/25

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

System picks Cubs

My picks -

Seattle
Houston
Boston
Add - Yankees
Miami
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 25, 2019, 09:34:49 AM
Not sure the Mets care - though many of our dumbass fans surely do.

Dumbass fans referring to Mets fans is redundant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: oilcan on April 25, 2019, 01:10:34 PM
Lose the Kate, keep the song?  Seems reasonable to me....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/music/her-god-bless-america-is-a-classic-her-two-racist-songs-a-scandal-should-kate-smith-be-banned-from-the-ballpark/2019/04/25/7f348264-66aa-11e9-8985-4cf30147bdca_story.html?utm_term=.20fce6d7a55e

The song about the pickaninnies eating watermelons in heaven is kind of a jaw-dropper.  Different times, for sure. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 25, 2019, 06:30:43 PM
System gets a winning day

2-1, 3-6

Me - 2-3, 4-10

4/25

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

System picks Cubs

My picks -

Seattle
Houston
Boston
Add - Yankees
Miami

Josh's picks for 4/5

Seattle. Hard to pass up.
Detroit
Philly
Cinci
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 25, 2019, 06:55:35 PM
Mets care, now: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833166-mets-jacob-rhame-suspended-2-games-for-throwing-near-phillies-rhys-hoskins (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2833166-mets-jacob-rhame-suspended-2-games-for-throwing-near-phillies-rhys-hoskins)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2019, 08:08:38 PM
Short lived win streak for SYSTEM (3-7)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 26, 2019, 02:11:52 AM
System gets a winning day

2-1, 3-6

Me - 2-3, 4-10

4/25

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

System picks Cubs

My picks -

Seattle
Houston
Boston
Add - Yankees
Miami

Josh's picks for 4/5

Seattle.+ 71.43
Detroit -100
Philly   -100
Cinci    + 74.08

- 54.49
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 26, 2019, 12:32:04 PM
3-2 last night - including a nice hit on underdog Marlins

7-12 overall

4/26

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

SYSTEM (3-7) has

Kansas City
St Louis
LA Dodgers
Arizona

My picks

St Louis
Toronto
Texas
Chi W Sox
Minnesota

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2019, 02:01:25 PM
who's paying the vig on the $3k?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 26, 2019, 04:52:32 PM
3-2 last night - including a nice hit on underdog Marlins

7-12 overall

4/26

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

SYSTEM (3-7) has

Kansas City
St Louis
LA Dodgers
Arizona

My picks

St Louis
Toronto
Texas
Chi W Sox
Minnesota

Pittsburgh
Oakland
Boston
Texas
San Francisco
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 26, 2019, 11:16:21 PM
3-2 last night - including a nice hit on underdog Marlins

7-12 overall

4/26

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

SYSTEM (3-7) has

Kansas City
St Louis
LA Dodgers
Arizona

My picks

St Louis
Toronto
Texas
Chi W Sox
Minnesota

Pittsburgh       -100
Oakland          -100
Boston
Texas
San Francisco
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 27, 2019, 11:50:57 AM
The comeback is ON!  :)

Another 3-2 day...  10-14 for week

SYSTEM was 2-2... 5-9 this week.

4/27

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 27, 2019, 12:48:31 PM
System

Toronto
Minnesota
LA Dodgers
NY Mets

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 27, 2019, 01:24:27 PM
My picks

Nationals
Mets
Rockies
Red Sox
Rangers

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 27, 2019, 05:29:54 PM
My picks

Nationals
Mets
Rockies
Red Sox
Rangers

Dodgers
Diamondbacks
Brewers
Angels
Mariners
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 12:50:03 AM
My picks

Nationals
Mets
Rockies
Red Sox
Rangers

Dodgers         + 45.46
Diamondbacks -100
Brewers         +125
Angels           -100
Mariners         -100

-129.54
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 02:37:03 AM
Picks for 4/28

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Cardinals
Dodgers
Twins
Red Sox
Yankees
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 28, 2019, 08:54:28 AM
What in bloody hell, Nationals?

2-3, 12-17

System goes 3-1, now 8-10
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 28, 2019, 09:05:44 AM
4/28

System

Toronto
Minnesota
St Louis
Dodgers
Arizona

My picks

KC
Minnesota
Tampa
Giants
Cleveland
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 01:45:17 PM
4/28

System

Toronto
Minnesota
St Louis
Dodgers
Arizona

My picks

KC
Minnesota
Tampa
Giants
Cleveland

No idea why I wrote Red Sox when I meant Rays. Oh well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 01:46:10 PM
Not a good start. Let's see if we can get through the 3rd without giving up another 2 (or more) runs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2019, 03:33:56 PM
They are a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 28, 2019, 05:00:05 PM
Manager of Sox, Cora, not doing his job. Hasn't prepared team to be ready for post-championship malaise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 28, 2019, 05:15:52 PM
We haven’t been consistent,” Cora said. “If we pitch, we don’t hit, if we hit (we don’t pitch). .. Defensively, we show flashes, then we don’t. We haven’t been able to put everything together.”.

Flashes. Baseball menopause.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 28, 2019, 07:32:05 PM
Cora = Farrell

One and done
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 07:34:42 PM
Picks for 4/28

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Cardinals  + 71.43
Dodgers   + 54.06
Twins      + 47.62
Red Sox   -100
Yankees   + 79.37

+152.48

Would have been better had I put down what I meant to, but I will take the 4-1 finish for the day (even though I wish the Red Sox had won and would have even had I picked the Rays).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2019, 07:45:46 PM
Josh

Are you maintaining a historical data of your picks by 1) H/A 2) Fav/Dog or by specific teams and how they do both straight win losses and against the ML?

For example home dogs (you've bet) have won (for example 45%) and returned XX% of money wagered? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 28, 2019, 10:12:44 PM
Red Sox have spent about $3mill on Sale's salary so far this season. For 0 wins.

Not a good ROI.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 28, 2019, 10:14:10 PM
Cody Bellinger on a pace to hit 84 home runs this season. Check his bat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 28, 2019, 10:38:28 PM
2-3 day for me (14-20)

SYSTEM goes 4-1 for a 12-11 week. 

We will give it another week before any tweaks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 11:17:09 PM
Josh

Are you maintaining a historical data of your picks by 1) H/A 2) Fav/Dog or by specific teams and how they do both straight win losses and against the ML?

For example home dogs (you've bet) have won (for example 45%) and returned XX% of money wagered?

"Maintaining" is probably too strong a term. The information is there, if I decide to crunch it. I am not doing anything about runs, however. Mostly, I am not that interested. If I ever decide I want to consider playing for real instead of this hypothetical crap, then I would actually track all of that.

As it is, a part of me thinks that for this we ought to be staked to a certain amount of money and then for each day determine how much we wanted to put on which games, tracking our totals that way - and when we go through our funds we go through our funds.

But I am not going to do that alone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2019, 11:20:36 PM
Cody Bellinger on a pace to hit 84 home runs this season. Check his bat.

Not quite sure how you get to 84 home runs, as he has 14 in 29 games, which works out to be 78, but still pretty astonishing.

He's caught up to Yelich.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2019, 11:25:52 PM
Josh

Are you maintaining a historical data of your picks by 1) H/A 2) Fav/Dog or by specific teams and how they do both straight win losses and against the ML?

For example home dogs (you've bet) have won (for example 45%) and returned XX% of money wagered?

"Maintaining" is probably too strong a term. The information is there, if I decide to crunch it. I am not doing anything about runs, however. Mostly, I am not that interested. If I ever decide I want to consider playing for real instead of this hypothetical crap, then I would actually track all of that.

As it is, a part of me thinks that for this we ought to be staked to a certain amount of money and then for each day determine how much we wanted to put on which games, tracking our totals that way - and when we go through our funds we go through our funds.

But I am not going to do that alone.

WBW (over 50 years ago) I used to handicap and track NFL games by to see if certain patterns or trends developed which could be exploited for profit. But it took a lot of work and this was before Excel. so there was a lot of # crunching by hand. And as there were no bodies of work about NFL handicapping back then, I had to find stuff on my own. It was fun and a great learning experience and i made a few bucks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 29, 2019, 10:27:15 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

Still may tweak the system -

$$ updates coming but may not make picks today
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 29, 2019, 01:54:42 PM
System picks

Twins
White Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 29, 2019, 01:57:23 PM
My picks

Milwaukee
Mets
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 29, 2019, 05:50:36 PM
My picks

Milwaukee
Mets

Rays     +  66.67
Astros   -100
Red Sox + 75.76
Dodgers -100
Padres   -100
-157.57
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 29, 2019, 07:42:54 PM
Sobering stat for RSN. Of all teams in MLB history to have played .400 baseball in April, only 8 have made the playoffs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 29, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
Sobering stat for RSN. Of all teams in MLB history to have played .400 baseball in April, only 8 have made the playoffs.

No explanation for your last stat, huh?

And yes, though that it is as high as 8 is heartening!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 09:16:39 AM
SYSTEM    2-0

ME    1-1

4/30

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 30, 2019, 12:53:37 PM
SYSTEM  4/30

White Sox
Twins
Red Sox
Rangers

ME

Padres
Dodgers
Mariners
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 30, 2019, 02:04:15 PM
Sobering stat for RSN. Of all teams in MLB history to have played .400 baseball in April, only 8 have made the playoffs.

No explanation for your last stat, huh?

And yes, though that it is as high as 8 is heartening!
. Tom Verducci said it on MLB TV, last night. But he elaborated. Besides the difficulty of making such a comeback, the Sox have to do it in a division with the Rays and the Yanks, each 90+ projected win teams. Makes for a very bumpy ride ahead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on April 30, 2019, 02:05:14 PM
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/)

https://youtu.be/3qQ17UnJk_Y (https://youtu.be/3qQ17UnJk_Y)

Not good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 30, 2019, 03:52:28 PM
SYSTEM  4/30

White Sox
Twins
Red Sox
Rangers

ME

Padres
Dodgers
Mariners

Twins
Rays
Dodgers
Cubs
Diamondacks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 30, 2019, 11:07:28 PM
SYSTEM  4/30

White Sox
Twins
Red Sox
Rangers

ME

Padres
Dodgers
Mariners

Twins             -100
Rays
Dodgers          + 68.97
Cubs              + 76.93
Diamondacks   + 68.97
+114.87
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 01, 2019, 09:25:34 AM
Damn those extra inning games!


SYSTEM  1-2, 3-2

Me  2-1, 3-2

5/1

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 01, 2019, 09:36:00 AM
5/1

SYSTEM picks

Twins
White Sox
Red Sox
Diamondbacks
Rangers

ME

Giants
Blue Jays
Phillies
Rays
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 01, 2019, 04:01:38 PM
5/1

SYSTEM picks

Twins
White Sox
Red Sox
Diamondbacks
Rangers

ME

Giants
Blue Jays
Phillies
Rays

Josh's

Cards
Dodgers
Twins
White Sox
Indians
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 01, 2019, 07:18:32 PM
5/1

SYSTEM picks

Twins
White Sox
Red Sox
Diamondbacks
Rangers

ME

Giants
Blue Jays
Phillies
Rays

Josh's

Cards       +130
Dodgers    -100
Twins       +132
White Sox -100
Indians     -100

- 38

Note that that is the early WS game, not the later one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 01, 2019, 10:21:35 PM
Yeah..........didnt specify on Rays so eliminating that pick.

SYSTEM on the other hand gets BOTH W Sox games, since they both qualify.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 01, 2019, 11:51:17 PM
Yeah..........didnt specify on Rays so eliminating that pick.


Given that they lost both games, I think you should just take the hit for one of them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 12:02:53 AM
And had they won?

I am not taking a loss for a game where I would not have been credited with the W.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 12:09:23 AM
But sure - if you believe I was betting game 2..... I will take the L.  Just say so.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 12:14:37 AM
And had they won?

I am not taking a loss for a game where I would not have been credited with the W.

I believe that in that circumstance, if they win both you take credit for the lesser win and if they lose both you take the hit for the lesser loss. If they split then you don't take either.

I have no idea which you intended to bet on, but you clearly intended to bet on one of them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 02:40:48 AM
THats the point.  You DO have an idea - since I just told you.  But had TB won the Stanek game you would have not credited this.

Small potatoes......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 08:10:40 AM
System 4-2, 7-4

Me   2-2, 5-4

May 2

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 11:05:20 AM
SYSTEM

Twins

ME

Mets
Padres
Nationals
Twins
Rockies

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 02:44:05 PM
Just for fun

Angels
Red Sox
Rays

- not to be included in tally - just to see if we can run a  clean slate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 02:47:29 PM
Indians lose Kluber. Maybe for a very long time. What will they do?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 03:40:40 PM
Sobering stat for RSN. Of all teams in MLB history to have played .400 baseball in April, only 8 have made the playoffs.

No explanation for your last stat, huh?

And yes, though that it is as high as 8 is heartening!
. Tom Verducci said it on MLB TV, last night. But he elaborated. Besides the difficulty of making such a comeback, the Sox have to do it in a division with the Rays and the Yanks, each 90+ projected win teams. Makes for a very bumpy ride ahead.

not that one. The last one prior to the post quoted: 84 homers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 03:45:00 PM
THats the point.  You DO have an idea - since I just told you.  But had TB won the Stanek game you would have not credited this.

Small potatoes......

Jesus, you're as bad as Trump.

I told you how I would have treated it.

Do you deny intent to bet on one of the two games?

Or are you offering me the same bogus out you are taking? After all, my statement that I was betting on the earlier game came after it started (and they were losing). You, on the other hand declined to state your intention.

I am sure that you have small potatoes, but it's irrelevant to this topic.

I love constantly changing rules.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 02, 2019, 03:53:57 PM
THats the point.  You DO have an idea - since I just told you.

No, you gave me a conditional. "If you believe I was betting on game two..."

"I was betting on game two" would have been telling me. But it still didn't matter which you'd bet on - you would have lost. Your "but what if..." is (a) already answered and (b) moot.

"Not a good look," Kiiid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 04:24:41 PM
Just for fun

Angels
Red Sox
Rays

- not to be included in tally - just to see if we can run a  clean slate.


so this is clean slate3, and not to be confused with your picks or the "sytem"?

heh

your lack of transparency is so apparent, you've become perfectly transparent.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 06:56:26 PM
Is this where I come for an argument?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 06:58:12 PM
Just for fun

Angels
Red Sox
Rays

- not to be included in tally - just to see if we can run a  clean slate.

Didnt realize Rays game had already started, so won't include that one.  Looking for 7-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 02, 2019, 07:28:42 PM
Red Sox newest version of Grady Little: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/02/endgame-reeling-red-sox-ban-fortnite-clubhouse/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/02/endgame-reeling-red-sox-ban-fortnite-clubhouse/)
Weak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2019, 08:29:14 PM
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/04/28/report-cubs-privately-threatening-writers-who-criticize-addison-russell/)

https://youtu.be/3qQ17UnJk_Y (https://youtu.be/3qQ17UnJk_Y)

Not good.

Nothing burger.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2019, 11:47:17 PM
ouch!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 03, 2019, 12:05:57 AM
Red Sox newest version of Grady Little: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/02/endgame-reeling-red-sox-ban-fortnite-clubhouse/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/05/02/endgame-reeling-red-sox-ban-fortnite-clubhouse/)
Weak.

Misquote in a teapot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 03, 2019, 12:09:15 AM
Just for fun

Angels
Red Sox
Rays

- not to be included in tally - just to see if we can run a  clean slate.

You should stop picking the Red Sox.

Didnt realize Rays game had already started, so won't include that one.  Looking for 7-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 07:58:33 AM
LOL

Fucking Devers spoils the fun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 09:12:00 AM
SYSTEM    1-0, 8-4

ME   5-0, 10-4


5/3 games


http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 10:05:20 AM
5/3

System picks

Yankees
Indians
Pirates
Phillies
Padres
Cubs


My picks


Braves
Yankees
Indians
Pirates
Rangers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 03, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
Delmonico staked White Sox to a nice CFB, last night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 08:19:48 PM
Pujols, Cabrera and Cano are 1-2-3 in hits among active players, Cano about to get #2500.

Who is 4th and 5th?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 04, 2019, 08:01:31 AM
Rhys Hoskins is clutch. Last night's three run Homer to win it is an example of that.

It was Hoskins’ 10th homer this season. No Phillies player had hit 10 homers through the team’s first 31 games since Chase Utley (30th game) and Raul Ibanez (31st game) in 2009. It was Hoskins’ 62nd homer since his big league debut on Aug. 10, 2017. Nobody has more in the National League. Only Oakland’s Khris Davis (70) and Boston’s J.D. Martinez (70) have hit more homers during that span overall.

Thirty-four of Hoskins’ 62 career homers (54.8 percent) have either tied the game or given the Phillies the lead.

Only Davis (36) has more since Hoskins' debut.


https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/rhys-hoskins-hit-another-clutch-home-run-friday.html (https://www.mlb.com/amp/news/rhys-hoskins-hit-another-clutch-home-run-friday.html)

Expect that to continue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
it took about 6 weeks but Sale snags a W

thats 2 good starts in a row

lookin on the bright side and hoping he's ok.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 04, 2019, 01:02:02 PM
5/4

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 04, 2019, 01:11:42 PM
5/4

System picks

Yanks
Indians
Cubs
Phils
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 04, 2019, 01:57:48 PM
 Well, you can't use the Patriot way and let the air out of the baseball, so he'll have to learn to pitch differently.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2019, 03:03:16 PM
the troll's obssession is keeping me in stitches-108 of them

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 04, 2019, 06:44:47 PM
SYSTEM was 4-2 Friday  12-6

ME  3-2     13-6
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 05, 2019, 10:08:11 AM
that was a helluva 3rd inning.

nice to see the Sox have a laugher.

that Chavis kid doesn't hit cheapies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 05, 2019, 11:34:06 AM
Here's a fun/nostagic article by Bob Ryan which might (I hope) appeal to the chronilogically advantaged residents of Elba.

It resonated with me.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2019/05/04/how-did-get-sports-fans-are-back-then-was-because-books/orvkzjR9eR9rDAOxIyBsgP/story.html#comment-91338209 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2019/05/04/how-did-get-sports-fans-are-back-then-was-because-books/orvkzjR9eR9rDAOxIyBsgP/story.html#comment-91338209)

How did we do it?

I mean, how did we, shall we say, “seasoned” sports fans get this way? How did we get to be the sports fans we are? After all, we didn’t have ESPN. We didn’t have sports talk radio. Most people didn’t get to see much on TV at all.


For me Sport Magazine was my "go to" by the time I was 9 or 10. I loved that magazine as a kid.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 05, 2019, 04:26:58 PM
System picks

Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Brewers
Phillies
Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 05, 2019, 04:29:19 PM
System 2-2 May 4

14-8 overall
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 08:55:37 AM
System    4-1, 18-9

3 week total of  39-33
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 11:15:11 AM
Its all over now in the NL

Mets land Wilmer Font from Rays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 11:35:59 AM
For May 6th


Yankees
Cubs
Brewers
Dodgers
Padres



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 12:27:41 PM
just heard a commercial for Burnt Furburger's betting venture (VSIN) and the according to him, if you had bet $100 on every Red Sox game this year you'd be down $600 on a 17-18 record so far this year.


kid how's the system performing at your 3-week 39-33?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 12:38:17 PM
Price to IL.

elbow

big night tonight

Sox-Celts and Bruins all scheduled for 7pm games

WTF is up with that.

play-off hockey's the best and fastest.

probably have Bruins and Celts on and then switch to see last half of Sox/Os
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 02:25:33 PM
Using that estimate if Sox went 102-60 you'd win about 1200.

heh

My model -

39 wins =    X

3300-X=net loss

Havent done the math yet.  But if the average win was $75 then the loss is about 400 bucks.

Trending up, of course.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 02:36:08 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-manager-alex-cora-will-not-make-white-house-visit-cites-trump-administrations-handling-of-hurricane-maria/

Fuck him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 06, 2019, 02:52:49 PM
Maybe you can go in his place.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 06, 2019, 03:45:47 PM
My picks  5/6

Washington
St Louis
San Diego
Arizona
Baltimore
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 06, 2019, 04:06:43 PM
Maybe you can go in his place.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 06, 2019, 04:08:16 PM
In other, more important news than whether the Man of 10,000 Lies has his feelings hurt, Ron Darling has been diagnosed with thyroid cancer:

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/05/ex-mets-pitcher-ron-darling-diagnosed-with-thyroid-cancer-when-will-he-return-to-sny.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/05/ex-mets-pitcher-ron-darling-diagnosed-with-thyroid-cancer-when-will-he-return-to-sny.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 06, 2019, 05:43:02 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/red-sox-manager-alex-cora-will-not-make-white-house-visit-cites-trump-administrations-handling-of-hurricane-maria/

Fuck him.

Yeah, because his not going is so much a bigger deal to you than the degree to which Trump continues to screw Puerto Rico.

Amoral hypocrite.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 06, 2019, 05:58:48 PM
My picks  5/6

Washington
St Louis
San Diego
Arizona
Baltimore

Yankees
Royals
Twins
Braves
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 06, 2019, 05:59:32 PM
Its all over now in the NL

Mets land Wilmer Font from Rays.

He's elite!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 06, 2019, 10:20:25 PM
My picks  5/6

Washington - 100
St Louis      +  80   
San Diego   +105
Arizona       - 100
Baltimore    +150

+135

Yankees + 73
Royals   -100
Twins    +105
Braves   -100

- 22
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2019, 10:24:58 PM
Using that estimate if Sox went 102-60 you'd win about 1200.

heh

My model -

39 wins =    X

3300-X=net loss

Havent done the math yet.  But if the average win was $75 then the loss is about 400 bucks.

Trending up, of course.

So ballparking it, you've lost upwards of $4,000 so far?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 07, 2019, 02:20:30 AM
5/3

My picks


Braves    + 63.30
Yankees  + 66.67
Indians   + 71.43
Pirates    -100
Rangers  -100

+  1.40



ME

Mets        + 55.56
Padres     +137.00
Nationals + 66.67
Twins      + 89.29
Rockies   +110.00

+458.52


5/1

ME

Giants      +120
Blue Jays  - 100
Phillies     +  41.67
Rays        - 100

-  38.33



ME

Padres   + 98.04
Dodgers + 68.97
Mariners -100.00

+ 67.01


My picks

Milwaukee + 92.60
Mets         -100.00

- 7.40
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 07:12:20 AM
System starts 4-1 again.  Late Cubs loss the only blemish.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 09:00:28 AM
 Even the Mets defense isn't this bad

https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-white-sox-12-error-game-1903-20190506-story.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 02:21:58 PM
Well, no - I haven't lost anything.

I save that for the occasional poker event.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 02:23:53 PM
My last sports bet loss was a Steelers game, I think.

up until today, when my 50 bucks at 12-1 on Liverpool will go up in flames.

Gotta have fun with it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2019, 02:43:06 PM
Well, no - I haven't lost anything.

I save that for the occasional poker event.

You set up a game where you set the parameters around winning $ (real or imaginery) and the unit you chose was $100 a game.

Initially you provided an accounting and the early results had you losing about $1500.

You stopped providing your cash results, and then changed your reporting to "system" bets and "your" bets, and after a couple of weeks as I recall, your results were just as poor. But that was just a guess.

Now you claim you are winning, but when pressed admit you've lost an additional $400 in a true accounting.

I'm glad you're not betting, but just having fun, as a $4,000 loss so early in the season can't be that much fun to someone who needs to pretend to strangers that they are winning.

and kid you did lose something.

What little credibility you thought you had..

You couldn't even play your own game without changing the rules.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 07, 2019, 03:08:47 PM
Well, no - I haven't lost anything.

I save that for the occasional poker event.

You set up a game where you set the parameters around winning $ (real or imaginery) and the unit you chose was $100 a game.

Initially you provided an accounting and the early results had you losing about $1500.

You stopped providing your cash results, and then changed your reporting to "system" bets and "your" bets, and after a couple of weeks as I recall, your results were just as poor. But that was just a guess.

Now you claim you are winning, but when pressed admit you've lost an additional $400 in a true accounting.

I'm glad you're not betting, but just having fun, as a $4,000 loss so early in the season can't be that much fun to someone who needs to pretend to strangers that they are winning.

and kid you did lose something.

What little credibility you thought you had..

You couldn't even play your own game without changing the rules.

I'm pretty sure he is well under $4000 in losses. He's had a pretty good run recently, as you can see above.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2019, 03:16:08 PM
Well, no - I haven't lost anything.

I save that for the occasional poker event.

You set up a game where you set the parameters around winning $ (real or imaginery) and the unit you chose was $100 a game.

Initially you provided an accounting and the early results had you losing about $1500.

You stopped providing your cash results, and then changed your reporting to "system" bets and "your" bets, and after a couple of weeks as I recall, your results were just as poor. But that was just a guess.

Now you claim you are winning, but when pressed admit you've lost an additional $400 in a true accounting.

I'm glad you're not betting, but just having fun, as a $4,000 loss so early in the season can't be that much fun to someone who needs to pretend to strangers that they are winning.

and kid you did lose something.

What little credibility you thought you had..

You couldn't even play your own game without changing the rules.

I'm pretty sure he is well under $4000 in losses. He's had a pretty good run recently, as you can see above.

Kid had 2-week stretch after his initial report of a $1500 loss, that mirrored his $1500 loss run. And he said he lost around $400 in his recent 39-33 "winning" period (which I think included his recent "good run"

But as I don't track his bets, I've no idea.

So iI ballparked the cumulative loss at $4,000 to account for kid understating bad results.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 03:48:22 PM
Well, no - I haven't lost anything.

I save that for the occasional poker event.

You set up a game where you set the parameters around winning $ (real or imaginery) and the unit you chose was $100 a game.

Initially you provided an accounting and the early results had you losing about $1500.

You stopped providing your cash results, and then changed your reporting to "system" bets and "your" bets, and after a couple of weeks as I recall, your results were just as poor. But that was just a guess.

Now you claim you are winning, but when pressed admit you've lost an additional $400 in a true accounting.

I'm glad you're not betting, but just having fun, as a $4,000 loss so early in the season can't be that much fun to someone who needs to pretend to strangers that they are winning.

and kid you did lose something.

What little credibility you thought you had..

You couldn't even play your own game without changing the rules.

I'm pretty sure he is well under $4000 in losses. He's had a pretty good run recently, as you can see above.

Thanks

Long season

You may recall I was about a +40 in games won in NBA when I stopped that exercise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 03:54:40 PM
System picks for May 7

Yankees
Dodgers
Cubs
Brewers
Padres
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 04:02:31 PM
My picks 5/7

Nationals
Phillies
Cubs
Braves
Jays

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 07, 2019, 07:47:56 PM
Well, no - I haven't lost anything.

I save that for the occasional poker event.

You set up a game where you set the parameters around winning $ (real or imaginery) and the unit you chose was $100 a game.

Initially you provided an accounting and the early results had you losing about $1500.

You stopped providing your cash results, and then changed your reporting to "system" bets and "your" bets, and after a couple of weeks as I recall, your results were just as poor. But that was just a guess.

Now you claim you are winning, but when pressed admit you've lost an additional $400 in a true accounting.

I'm glad you're not betting, but just having fun, as a $4,000 loss so early in the season can't be that much fun to someone who needs to pretend to strangers that they are winning.

and kid you did lose something.

What little credibility you thought you had..

You couldn't even play your own game without changing the rules.

I'm pretty sure he is well under $4000 in losses. He's had a pretty good run recently, as you can see above.

Thanks

Long season

You may recall I was about a +40 in games won in NBA when I stopped that exercise.

Seems like an unlikely thing for me to recall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 07, 2019, 07:50:31 PM
Well, no - I haven't lost anything.

I save that for the occasional poker event.

You set up a game where you set the parameters around winning $ (real or imaginery) and the unit you chose was $100 a game.

Initially you provided an accounting and the early results had you losing about $1500.

You stopped providing your cash results, and then changed your reporting to "system" bets and "your" bets, and after a couple of weeks as I recall, your results were just as poor. But that was just a guess.

Now you claim you are winning, but when pressed admit you've lost an additional $400 in a true accounting.

I'm glad you're not betting, but just having fun, as a $4,000 loss so early in the season can't be that much fun to someone who needs to pretend to strangers that they are winning.

and kid you did lose something.

What little credibility you thought you had..

You couldn't even play your own game without changing the rules.

I'm pretty sure he is well under $4000 in losses. He's had a pretty good run recently, as you can see above.

Kid had 2-week stretch after his initial report of a $1500 loss, that mirrored his $1500 loss run. And he said he lost around $400 in his recent 39-33 "winning" period (which I think included his recent "good run"

But as I don't track his bets, I've no idea.

So iI ballparked the cumulative loss at $4,000 to account for kid understating bad results.

I understood your reasoning; it wasn't bad, just mistaken.

I have been] vaguely tracking the results of his bets. He was down more than $2,000. I think the next -$400 or so is since then, but we've been promised updated numbers real soon now. We should, of course, hold our breaths.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 07, 2019, 08:05:18 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2835051-indians-pitcher-trevor-bauer-receives-death-threats-on-twitter-after-loss?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

This is sick.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 09:18:57 PM
I think you mean shouldnt....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 07, 2019, 09:22:42 PM
The 39-33 SYSTEM (now up to 43-34) is separate from "my picks".  Bank's feeble old brain cant seem to track this.

As far as early efforts in any season, they SHOULD be expected to improve - and have been on MY side.  Also - Josh can attest - early season was weird this year - as many aces started slowly and FAVE bettors suffered duly.  Leveling out now.




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2019, 09:35:17 PM
The 39-33 SYSTEM (now up to 43-34) is separate from "my picks".  Bank's feeble old brain cant seem to track this.

As far as early efforts in any season, they SHOULD be expected to improve - and have been on MY side.  Also - Josh can attest - early season was weird this year - as many aces started slowly and FAVE bettors suffered duly.  Leveling out now.

Bank is still adroit enough to track your multiple attempts at subterfuge.

I suspected that since you declined to provide cash results from your new and improved system, you were still losing money betting despite a 39-33 record.

And you confirmed my feelings.

As I told you when you started your game, betting favorites was a hard way to win money as you need to win somewhere around 60% of your games to cover the vig, and you were nowhere near 60%. As I recall you were under 50%.

Kid you don't fool anyone with your deceptions.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 08, 2019, 12:27:50 AM
I think you mean shouldnt....

Yes, Kiiid.

It's called sarcasm.

We all know that just because you said we would see something soon doesn't mean we would ever see it (from you).

After all, now you can just wait for me to do your work for you and you can complain I did something wrong, while not providing any greater data.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 08, 2019, 04:58:22 AM
My picks 5/7

Nationals  -100
Phillies     + 86.96
Cubs        + 60.61
Braves      -100
Jays         -100

-152.43



4/28
My picks

KC             -100
Minnesota  + 47.62
Tampa      +120
Giants       -100
Cleveland  -100

-132.38


My picks

Nationals  -100
Mets         -100
Rockies    +100
Red Sox    -100
Rangers    + 91.75

-108.25



4/26
My picks

St Louis     -100
Toronto     + 80
Texas        -100
Chi W Sox  + 75.19
Minnesota  + 52.64

+  7.83



4/25
My picks -

Seattle              +71.43
Houston            -100
Boston              + 43.48
Add - Yankees    -100
Miami                +175

+89.91



My picks

White Sox, Yankees, Phillies, Blue Jays, Nationals
-100          +87.72   +74.63  -100        -100

-137.65



4/23
My picks are -

Mets, Brewers, Atlanta, Oakland, Minnesota
+78.13 -100    -100      +68.97   -100

-152.9


9-13 week using system

Backing off it for this week

Monday 4/22

Royals     -100
Angels     -100
Astros     -100
Rangers  -100

Bank's right - cant just pick faves.

-400



Pirates  -100
Cubs     + 92.60

-  7.40



Rays     -100
Pirates  + 76.93
Cubs     -100

-123.07



St Louis        +105
Pittsburgh     - 100
Chicago (N)  +  61.35
Tampa Bay   - 100

- 34.65



4/18

Tampa Bay  -100

-100



4/17

Minnesota     + 62.50
Atlanta         -100
Tampa Bay   + 40
Chi (A)         -100

- 97.5



4/16

Rays           + 40.00
Braves        - 100
Twins          - 100
Padres         - 100
White Sox    + 86.96

-173.04



Dodgers  + 54.06
Padres    - 100
Red Sox  - 100

-145.94



Cumulative prior to 4/15 games (by Kiiid's calculations):
-389 to start week

-1600 lost bets

wins

+59 (TB Monday)
+74 (Indians Tuesday)
+109 (Mets, A's) Wed
+124 (Mariners, Red Sox Thu)
-  Fri
+53 (Astros Sat)
+162 (Phils, Red Sox, Astros Sun)


+581
------------------

-1408

-1408-145.94-173.04-97.5-100-34.65-123.07-7.4-400-152.9-137.65+89.91+7.83-108.25-132.38-152.43=

-3075.47

-3075.47-7.4+67.01-38.33+458.52+1.40=

-2594.27

As I said, well under -$4k in losses.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 08, 2019, 07:18:59 AM
SYSTEM goes 4-1 again.  8-2 for the week

I am at 2-3, 5-5
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 08, 2019, 08:37:16 AM
5/8

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

System picks

Yankees
Rays
Cubs
Brewers
Dodgers

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2019, 09:38:04 AM
thought I'd check-in on the Ys score and see if Seattle closed it out before turning out the lights.

shouldn't have tempted fate.

nice CFBW


they might have something going on this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 08, 2019, 09:41:51 AM
I need to invest in MLB TV.  Without it, I'm treated every night to either the Orioles and the Nationals announcers complaining about how bad their injuries are. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2019, 09:49:39 AM
I need to invest in MLB TV.  Without it, I'm treated every night to either the Orioles and the Nationals announcers complaining about how bad their injuries are.

check out reddit mlb streams-go to the Yankee game thread and then click on one of the game links

Bila Sport is a pretty good source.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 08, 2019, 09:55:52 AM
Thanks....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on May 08, 2019, 10:22:36 AM
Two great come from behind wins for NY teams Tuesday. The Yankee batting coach is doing a fantastic job with scrubs and injury fill-ins. Urchella and Maybin (who!) are hitting a gaudy .360.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 08, 2019, 01:09:54 PM
My picks 5/8

Padres
Rockies
Tigers
Rays
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2019, 11:21:48 PM
JBJ saves it with his glove

10D wins it with his bat.

hello .500
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 09:03:46 AM
System

3-2, 11-3

Me

2-1, 7-6
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 09:07:37 AM
My picks 5/8

Padres +80
Rockies  rain
Tigers +88.50
Rays  -100

+68.50
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
My picks 5/7

Nationals -100
Phillies  +86.97
Cubs   +60.62
Braves -100
Jays   -100

-152.41
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 09:15:21 AM
My picks  5/6

Washington -100
St Louis  +80
San Diego  +105
Arizona -100
Baltimore  +150

+135
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 01:02:38 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/scoreboard/

System picks 5/9

Yankees
Dodgers
Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 09, 2019, 01:13:03 PM
My picks   5/9


Pittsburgh
Cincinnati
Washington
Colorado
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiddcarter8 on May 10, 2019, 11:55:06 AM
So Washington won, eh?

Gives me a 3-1 night and SYSTEM goes 2-1.

week:

10-7 for me
13-4 for system
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiddcarter8 on May 10, 2019, 12:00:13 PM
My picks   5/9


Pittsburgh -100
Cincinnati  +157
Washington  +140
Colorado   +60.61

+257.61
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiddcarter8 on May 10, 2019, 12:20:47 PM
5/10

www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/scoreboard/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiddcarter8 on May 10, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
5/10

www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/scoreboard/

System

Red Sox
Twins
Cubs
Dodgers
Mets
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 10, 2019, 03:09:31 PM
5/10.  My picks

Mets
Indians
Phillies
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2019, 10:25:36 PM
JBJ saves it with his glove

10D wins it with his bat.

hello .500

and hello 1-game over.

Erod with another pretty decent start and the bats were alive
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 11, 2019, 12:42:45 AM
JBJ saves it with his glove

10D wins it with his bat.

hello .500

and hello 1-game over.

Erod with another pretty decent start and the bats were alive

But Seattle sure was having trouble holding onto the ball!


This is the closest the Red Sox have been to first place since April 5th and the closest to a wild card spot since March 31st.

Lots of time for things to go wrong. Lots of time for things to go right. We'll see, but this recent trend is more positive seeming than March and April were.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 11, 2019, 01:11:03 AM
Lots of people think that competition still creates valuable and the best form of entertainment. Guess you aren't one of them.

Negabostonadouche.

I think the problem here is that you are shifting the definition of "best" to whatever suits your argument at the moment. Normally, you mean the one that fields the strongest teams (more than one) - that could be expected to have the best record vs. other divisions.

But since that doesn't fit the NL East, you are choosing instead that competitiveness within the division is what you mean by "best." Good luck selling that definition outside of your own head.

You fail to recognize that 4 teams in that Division are projected to win 85 or more games. There is no other division rated as such. Therefore, it's the best.

That you can't handle that situation indicates your own weakmindedness, Professor Dimwit.

That vaunted National East "best division" is proving to be neither internally competitive nor strong versus other divisions.

I'm terribly surprised.

Of course, it is still early, but it would require more than one team to change its direction for them to come close to living up to Hamilton Utley's predictions.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2019, 08:32:17 AM
System 4-1, 17-5

Me - 1-2, 11-9
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2019, 08:35:06 AM
5/10.  My picks

Mets   +57.14
Indians  -100
Phillies  -100

- 142.86

For week about +173.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2019, 08:41:21 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/?s=1024

5/11

System

Red Sox
Twins
Astros
Dodgers
Mets
Cubs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2019, 03:16:53 PM
My picks 5/11

St Louis
Colorado
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Philly
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2019, 05:50:44 PM
Porcello going 7, was slighly miraculous after his first inning.

Good CFBW.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 11, 2019, 11:50:29 PM
5/10.  My picks

Mets   +57.14
Indians  -100
Phillies  -100

- 142.86

For week about +173.

68.5-152.41+135+257.61-142.86=

+165.84
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2019, 11:58:14 PM
5/11

76.92
74.07
-300

-149

- this with Cincy winning
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2019, 12:04:03 AM
Looks like SYSTEM will go 5-2 for a 22-7 run this week.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 12, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
My picks 5/7

Nationals -100
Phillies  +86.97
Cubs   +60.62
Braves -100
Jays   -100

Phillies divides to 0.869565217, which rounds to 86.96, not 86.97.
Cubs divides to 0.606060606, which rounds to 60.61, not 60.62.

I understand this is all play money, Kiiid, but I don't get why you are bothering to screw around.

Or perhaps you just don't care to be precise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2019, 01:46:47 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

5/12

Happy Mums Day


System picks


Red Sox
Twins
Astros
Cubs
Mets


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2019, 01:48:41 PM
I will let stand my small MLB win for the week - so no selections for me

as the more important contests lie in the NBA Game 7s (where I fully expect to see POR and PHI prevail, sending my NBA Finalist picks home)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 12, 2019, 10:34:48 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

5/12

Happy Mums Day


System picks


Red Sox   w
Twins       l
Astros     w
Cubs        w
Mets     rain

3-1, 25-8, 64-41
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 12, 2019, 11:35:39 PM
Wow, that Seattle defense is something else!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 13, 2019, 04:12:05 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

5/13

System picks


Yankees
Phillies


My picks


Phillies
Tigers
Twins
White Sox
Mariners
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 14, 2019, 08:11:11 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

5/13

System picks


Yankees  rain
Phillies      w    68.97


My picks


Phillies  +68.97
Tigers  -100
Twins  -100
White Sox  +145
Mariners   +86.97

system   1-0    +68.97


me    3-2     +100.94
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 14, 2019, 09:59:20 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/


System picks  5/14

Yankees
Red Sox
Kansas City
San Francisco
Phillies
Dodgers
Atlanta
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 14, 2019, 10:07:38 AM
Great CFBW last night for the Phightin' Phils to start off a most challenging stretch of their season playing 4 against Brewers at home. Later this week, they have 3 vs Rockies, then on the road for 3 vs Cubs, 3 in Milwaukee; then home for 3 against St.Lo, and following that with a 6 game West Coast road trip to LA and SD. And all of that in the league where they still play real baseball.

If they win 11 of those 22, they'll be okay. If they win +11, they'll be a team to reckon with all season long.

Play ball, boys!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2019, 11:37:05 AM
Sox v Rox weather permitting at Fenway tonight

yank-got your message-thanks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 14, 2019, 11:44:40 AM
Great CFBW last night for the Phightin' Phils to start off a most challenging stretch of their season playing 4 against Brewers at home. Later this week, they have 3 vs Rockies, then on the road for 3 vs Cubs, 3 in Milwaukee; then home for 3 against St.Lo, and following that with a 6 game West Coast road trip to LA and SD. And all of that in the league where they still play real baseball.

If they win 11 of those 22, they'll be okay. If they win +11, they'll be a team to reckon with all season long.

Play ball, boys!

Some lofty goal setting by you

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 14, 2019, 01:57:37 PM
My picks    5/14


Mets
Phillies
Marlins
Padres
Twins
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 15, 2019, 08:58:38 AM
My picks    5/14


Mets   +69.93
Phillies  -100
Marlins  -100
Padres  -100
Twins   +78.74

5/14 total       - 151.33
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 15, 2019, 09:01:29 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/


System picks  5/14

Yankees  rain
Red Sox    l
Kansas City    w   +70.42
San Francisco  l
Phillies    l
Dodgers    w  +63.69
Atlanta    l


system   5/14      2-4   -265.89
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 15, 2019, 09:25:02 AM
5/15

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/?s=1024
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2019, 09:33:45 AM
glass half full game for Sox

tough loss in 11

Sale looked like good Sale through 7
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 15, 2019, 01:27:33 PM
System picks 5/15

Yankees
Yankees 2
Red Sox
Kansas City
San Francisco
Dodgers
Atlanta
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 15, 2019, 01:31:52 PM
My picks     5/15


Pirates   -100
Cubs    -100
Braves  +76.34
Orioles (Cashner vs German game)  -100
Rays   +55.56
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 12:19:59 AM
ahhh....bloody hell, Cubbies...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 16, 2019, 01:15:43 AM
ahhh....bloody hell, Cubbies...

Why blame them versus the other two losing teams?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 16, 2019, 01:16:25 AM
glass half full game for Sox

tough loss in 11

Sale looked like good Sale through 7

And a good win the next night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2019, 09:10:27 AM
glass half full game for Sox

tough loss in 11

Sale looked like good Sale through 7

And a good win the next night.

Yup alls well that ends well.

Rox gave them a tough time.

Chavis has been a great add in Pedey's absence.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 09:21:27 AM
ahhh....bloody hell, Cubbies...

Why blame them versus the other two losing teams?

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 09:24:24 AM


Odds for 5/16

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 12:41:08 PM
System picks 5/15

Yankees  - w
Yankees 2  -  w
Red Sox  -   w
Kansas City -   l
San Francisco -   w
Dodgers -   w
Atlanta -   w

6-1
8-5
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 12:52:42 PM
System picks  5/16


Indians
White Sox
Braves


My picks   5/16


Mets
Royals
Twins
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 01:00:41 PM
My picks     5/15


Pirates   -100
Cubs    -100
Braves  +76.34
Orioles (Cashner vs German game)  -100
Rays   +55.56


5/15    -168.10

week    -218.49
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 02:10:23 PM
My God - Dave Martinez just needs to go.

2nd and 3rd one down, Conforto up......  Nats with 4-1 lead.

Davey boy........ walk the man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 16, 2019, 06:54:00 PM
 :'I go out of town for three days? Three losses.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 16, 2019, 09:45:20 PM
My picks     5/15


Pirates   -100
Cubs    -100
Braves  +76.34
Orioles (Cashner vs German game)  -100
Rays   +55.56

"Not a good look."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 11:01:43 PM
?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 16, 2019, 11:03:02 PM
Never mind.  I get it....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2019, 11:16:56 PM
looking forward to the Sox-Houston series.

good test to see if the Sox got their socks on
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2019, 08:58:10 AM
System picks  5/16


Indians
White Sox
Braves


My picks   5/16


Mets
Royals
Twins

System   3-0  (11-5 week, 75-46 overall)

Me     1-2, 8-10
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2019, 12:43:45 PM
For 5/17

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2019, 12:49:24 PM
System picks 5/17

Yankees
Red Sox
White Sox
Angels
Indians
Rangers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2019, 12:53:24 PM
My picks   5/17

Yankees   -113
Braves   -125
Nationals    -154
Rockies   +108
Tigers    +160
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 17, 2019, 12:58:56 PM
System picks  5/16


Indians    w
White Sox     w
Braves    w


My picks   5/16


Mets   l
Royals   l
Twins   w  -107


-106.54    for day
-325.03    for week
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2019, 10:42:24 PM
Porcello was cruisin' and then he wasn't.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 18, 2019, 10:05:30 AM
No time for recap but I think it was


3-3  System

2-3   Me


5/18 odds


http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 18, 2019, 10:12:36 AM
5/18   system picks


Yankees
Red Sox
White Sox
Indians
Angels
Rangers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 18, 2019, 10:18:23 AM
5/18    my picks


Astros
Phils
Dodgers
Mets
Padres
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 18, 2019, 03:01:49 PM
-451.95 total for week.  About matching last 2 weeks earnings
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 19, 2019, 12:03:35 AM
-451.95 total for week.  About matching last 2 weeks earnings

And not a great start to the next week.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 19, 2019, 10:24:27 AM
And last night was a cruise to nowhere.

the game seemed over before it really started.

'Stros are good.

Up to Sale to salvage the week-end and stay above .500
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 19, 2019, 10:30:35 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

May 19
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 19, 2019, 10:35:03 AM
Day off for me


System picks   5/19   (3-3 yesterday)


Yankees
White Sox
Indians
Angels
Braves
Rangers


17-11
81-52
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 19, 2019, 12:50:06 PM
Day off for me


System picks   5/19   (3-3 yesterday)


Yankees
White Sox
Indians
Angels
Braves
Rangers


17-11
81-52

Having off days is easy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 19, 2019, 05:09:28 PM
and Sox with a CFBW to snap Stros 10-game win streak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 19, 2019, 05:19:56 PM
umm........

yay?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 19, 2019, 05:32:38 PM
Miley out at 89 pitches

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 19, 2019, 07:12:24 PM
So on the night the NY Mets likely fire their overmatched manager - I ask again - how is Dave Martinez still employed?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 19, 2019, 07:27:01 PM
-451.95 total for week.  About matching last 2 weeks earnings


-451.95
+58.82 (Phils)
+90.91 (Astros)
-300


-602.22
- total for week

System finishes 3-3 3rd straight day     and 20-14

84-55 total

Onward.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 19, 2019, 08:44:05 PM
:'I go out of town for three days? Three losses.

I stay home for three days? Three wins.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 20, 2019, 12:05:19 PM
Price returns to the hill to give it a shot in day baseball

Happy Victoria Day
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 20, 2019, 12:19:32 PM
I think the Nats' management, wisely or not ,is giving Martinez a break because of their injuries.  The Mets management likely won't do the same for Calloway despite his missing Cespedes and Lawrie and the clear appearance that Cano would rather be doing anything but playing baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 20, 2019, 01:14:09 PM
:'I go out of town for three days? Three losses.

I stay home for three days? Three wins.
Your staying off the internet would be a win for humanity.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 20, 2019, 02:41:18 PM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/


For May 20

All picks this week are SYSTEM



Astros
Rangers

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 21, 2019, 09:25:00 AM
http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/

5/21
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 21, 2019, 09:30:07 AM
5/21 picks


Astros
Cardinals
Rangers
Pirates
Tigers
Padres
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2019, 10:08:07 AM
Fuckin' Ys.

Os up 6-1 and I knew they were doomed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 21, 2019, 10:22:04 AM
The Orioles missed cutoff men, threw to the wrong base and failed to catch an easy pop up.  They have an incredible lack of talent and when they added boneheadedness to the mix, it's embarrassing to watch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 21, 2019, 06:30:30 PM
Are they better than Miami?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 21, 2019, 06:38:21 PM
A bit, I think.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 21, 2019, 11:02:42 PM
After all that....

Mets just 5.5 out
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 22, 2019, 11:30:33 AM
5/22

Astros
Rangers
Padres


5-2 for week
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 23, 2019, 08:30:57 AM
2-1, 7-3

5/23   odds

http://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 23, 2019, 01:19:34 PM
5/23


Mets
Astros
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 23, 2019, 06:27:45 PM
Should been at least three of the four, but with Robertson still ailing, Hunter out til June, and Arono hurt, a split in Chicago works for me. Onto the Milwaukee for some revenge.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2019, 06:27:36 PM
And now for 3-more against the Astros.

should be a challenging week-end.

I assume the Ys wil be playing the Os for the forseeable future.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 24, 2019, 11:22:11 PM
And now for 3-more against the Astros.

should be a challenging week-end.

I assume the Ys wil be playing the Os for the forseeable future.

Catching the ball has suddenly become challenging.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 25, 2019, 12:29:09 AM
And now for 3-more against the Astros.

should be a challenging week-end.

I assume the Ys wil be playing the Os for the forseeable future.

Catching the ball has suddenly become challenging.

JFC

The early innings were painful to watch.

You can't give that team extra outs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 25, 2019, 05:58:07 PM
Sooooo....song for a Saturday

Padres have 19 runs, so I check in on the damage Manny Machado mkust have done

He is 1-5 with 1 run scored

heh

Then I realize I have Hunter DOZIER , not Renfroe.

2-25 afternoon.... but holding shakily in top spot vs Whisk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 25, 2019, 10:58:55 PM
that was an annoying game

The Sox are playing just bad enough to lose.

Just can't put it together.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 26, 2019, 12:06:27 AM
that was an annoying game

The Sox are playing just bad enough to lose.

Just can't put it together.

I think showing that the Astro's relievers are not infallible is important, should be play them in the post season.

But winning would have been nice, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 26, 2019, 12:51:05 PM
You think Sox players THOUGHT the Astros pen was "infallible"?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 26, 2019, 05:26:53 PM
EdRo pitched a prettty decent game and Sox salvaged 1 of 3, in a series that the the Bad News Bears would have shaken their heads at.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 27, 2019, 03:25:07 PM
sad new

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26832836/bill-buckner-dies-69-battling-dementia (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26832836/bill-buckner-dies-69-battling-dementia)

RIP Bill Buckner 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 27, 2019, 05:41:57 PM
sad new

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26832836/bill-buckner-dies-69-battling-dementia (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26832836/bill-buckner-dies-69-battling-dementia)

RIP Bill Buckner
.

Like you and any other Beaneater really care.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 27, 2019, 06:22:50 PM
sad new

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26832836/bill-buckner-dies-69-battling-dementia (http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26832836/bill-buckner-dies-69-battling-dementia)

RIP Bill Buckner
.

Like you and any other Beaneater really care.

You're as predictable as gravity, Ham.

We kissed and made up with him in 2008, but you likely didn't notice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 27, 2019, 07:45:11 PM
Sox romp over Tribe.

But sad day with the Buckner passing from a terrible disease at a way too young 69.

And Pedroia sounds like he might hang them up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 27, 2019, 10:47:44 PM
Pedroia has sucked for the last three years. Past his due date awhile ago.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 28, 2019, 09:05:43 AM
That anyone had to "make up with" Buckner is the sad part.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 28, 2019, 11:05:14 AM
That anyone had to "make up with" Buckner is the sad part.
I agree with this.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 28, 2019, 12:26:25 PM
That anyone had to "make up with" Buckner is the sad part.
I agree with this.
Yeah, it is not like he's Jose "Useless Pile of Horse.Excrement" Mesa, or something.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2019, 12:48:21 PM
fwiw Buckner signed as a FA with the Sox and played his last game in a Sox uni in 1990.

So I think he and most fans may have resolved the issue well before the media did.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 28, 2019, 05:02:38 PM
Sure. Then why'd he have to move out of Boston? It's only because of Steinner sports and the Mookie and Buckner tour, and only after the Sox finally won the WS, again that he was "forgiven by most Boston fans".

Compare that to the equally egregious mistakes made by Garry Maddox in Philly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/10/08/maddox-error-hurts-phils-in-10th-4-3/7a914b24-d8ed-410f-bbd6-5298e2022d48/?utm_term=.fc091636dcf6 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/10/08/maddox-error-hurts-phils-in-10th-4-3/7a914b24-d8ed-410f-bbd6-5298e2022d48/?utm_term=.fc091636dcf6)

Maddox never went thru what Buckner had to endure. Never.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 28, 2019, 06:10:14 PM
Sure. Then why'd he have to move out of Boston? It's only because of Steinner sports and the Mookie and Buckner tour, and only after the Sox finally won the WS, again that he was "forgiven by most Boston fans".

Compare that to the equally egregious mistakes made by Garry Maddox in Philly.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/10/08/maddox-error-hurts-phils-in-10th-4-3/7a914b24-d8ed-410f-bbd6-5298e2022d48/?utm_term=.fc091636dcf6 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1978/10/08/maddox-error-hurts-phils-in-10th-4-3/7a914b24-d8ed-410f-bbd6-5298e2022d48/?utm_term=.fc091636dcf6)

Maddox never went thru what Buckner had to endure. Never.

Absolutely true.

Philadelphia fans just throw batteries at players, cheer career-ending neck injuries, and intentionally vomit on children, when not getting tased on the baseball field.


Buckner should never have had to endure what he did. (Johnny Mac should have been on the line for that! But he's no Grady Little.) Fans and especially media go over the top.

And as tragedies of 1986 go, Donny Moore's life following his post-season makes Buckner's look like a walk in the park. He internalized his in ways Buckner never did, on top of what the fans did and said.

It took more than 20 years before Fred Merkle felt forgiveness from the fans. He spent the intervening years very bitter. Did he deserve the crap he got more than Buckner did? I don't think so, even though he was arguably more responsible for his error.

Then again, I don't think Donovan McNabb deserves the hate that Eagles fans continue to spew toward him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2019, 06:23:51 PM
Troll gonna troll.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 28, 2019, 06:25:31 PM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2019, 06:30:27 PM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 28, 2019, 06:40:22 PM
Speaking of players who were knocked from piller to post by Boston fans, I bring you the 2019 Pablo Sandaval:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2838098-pablo-sandovals-star-rebirth-washing-away-taste-of-95m-red-sox-nightmare?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

Conversely, I do not know what got into Clay Buchholz's mind when he signed back into the AL East. Arizona was a far better fit, $3.3 million or not. His velocity is way down on all his pitches. His ERA is up. And he's back on the DL (IL).
http://www.brooksbaseball.net/velo.php?player=453329&time=&startDate=03/30/2007&endDate=05/18/2019&s_type=2
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 28, 2019, 06:48:14 PM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Rewriting Boston history again. Next up, there were never any issues with integrating schools in South Boston.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2019, 06:58:18 PM
the troll is having a buffet tonight.

but as much as he gorges himself his gnawing hunger never leaves him.

he always feel empty.

As he is.

So he pukes and gorges and pukes and gorges in an endless cycle of his sickness

so sad
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 28, 2019, 07:07:37 PM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 28, 2019, 11:52:59 PM
An ugly game in the Fens.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 28, 2019, 11:56:03 PM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 29, 2019, 12:03:10 AM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.

zzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2019, 12:31:03 AM
An ugly game in the Fens.

that 9th was brutal
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 29, 2019, 02:28:18 AM
An ugly game in the Fens.

that 9th was brutal

And even had the Sox come back, it would have been because the Indians' pitcher was being brutal, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2019, 02:33:07 AM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.
Says the fan from the city that pelted Santa Claus with snowballs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 29, 2019, 08:08:05 AM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.

Not sure why he feels he has to defend all his Boston brethren.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 09:41:18 AM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.
Says the fan from the city that pelted Santa Claus with snowballs.
Says the idiot whose small-town, small-time, and miniature-minded fans caused their team to forfeit after rioting on ten cent beer night. AND later, did THIS:
https://www.cleveland19.com/story/589444/cleveland-loses-browns-fans-riot-with-bottles/ (https://www.cleveland19.com/story/589444/cleveland-loses-browns-fans-riot-with-bottles/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 09:42:18 AM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.

Not sure why he feels he has to defend all his Boston brethren.

He has trouble with the truth. Compulsive liars often do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
poor sad pathetic troll is so obssessed he turns an RIP condolence into food for his disease.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 09:48:21 AM
poor sad pathetic troll is so obssessed he turns an RIP condolence into food for his disease.
Nooe. Just called you out for lying. It's what you do. Among other misdeeds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2019, 10:12:50 AM
gorge/puke/gorge/puke.

the dietary habits of the troll.

Troll-I didn't lie.

I said that Buckner signed as a FA with the Sox in '90.

And that the vast majority of fans had no problem with him.

ALL TRUE.

He received a standing ovation opening day at Fenway 1990.

Most baseball fans understand the nature of the game.

But some like you are clueless assholes.

Unfortunately he became a media symbol for fucking-up and some fans in Boston and nationwide targeted the guy.

He didn't deserve the bullshit.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 11:50:07 AM
I didn't lie.

I said that Buckner signed as a FA with the Sox in '90.

And that the vast majority of fans had no problem with him.

ALL TRUE.


Apparently, Buckner's not the only one who was afflicted by dementia.

It's extremely well documented how Buckner was ravaged by RSN. And unjustly so.

No amount of denial on your part will change that fact.

"Buckner had no idea how his life would change after that single stupid play. Indeed, before Tom Brady was the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time), Bill Buckner was The Goat, instantly ushered into the Mickey Owen/Fred Snodgrass/Bonehead Merkle pantheon of baseball fall guys.

“I don’t think it ever entered his mind at the time that he was going to have to wear this for the rest of his career,’’ Hurst said.

Infamy stalked Buckner. Jokes and replays. Over and over.

When he was released by the Sox the following year, he said, “I think everybody in this town, including the Red Sox, holds that against me. I think I deserved better. I don’t think it has to be brought up the way it was.’’

Buckner played for two teams after leaving Boston but came back for a final season in 1990, slugging his way onto the squad out of spring training. He got a huge ovation when he was introduced before the home opener. It was his final season in the majors and it was brief (22 games). He retired at the age of 40 and became a minor league hitting instructor.

But the grounder followed him into retirement. In 1993, Buckner got into a dustup with a wiseguy fan outside of Pawtucket’s McCoy Stadium. A week later, he abandoned baseball and moved his family to a ranch in Meridian, Idaho."
----Dan Shaughnessy, quoted from the Boston Globe

He never was "forgiven" until the Sox won without him, and brought him in to throw that first pitch in 2008.

If the Sox had continued to fail to win the World Series, he'd most likely have never been "forgiven".

Funny word to use for a guy who actually didn't even cost them the game, let alone the Series.

But then, that's the typical Boston fan for you. He knows all the ins and outs of the games, without ever having actually played one.

Talk about dementia.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2019, 11:57:48 AM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.
Says the fan from the city that pelted Santa Claus with snowballs.
Says the idiot whose small-town, small-time, and miniature-minded fans caused their team to forfeit after rioting on ten cent beer night.
Those were Rangers.fans.

We could talk about Dick Allen if you want. But this is the point: Some fans of every team are ignorant assholes. Sometimes, for every team, en masse. Which is why it makes no fucking sense at all to seriously criticize one team's set of fans for behaving the same way your team's fans do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 29, 2019, 12:40:05 PM
1990 doesnt enter the equation

At issue is how Bill was treated in the aftermath of the 1986 postseason
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 01:15:43 PM
Troll gonna troll.

True, but I happen to agree with him about Buckner's treatment. It's just less uncommon than he would have us believe.

Most people think Buckner was unfairly scape-goated.

But the troll looks for any excuse to exercise his sick obssession.

In this case he is using and abusing Buckner to satisfy his disease.

The troll's pathetic.

Billy did choke.  This is not to be debated.  The issue is how he was initially treated.

Like BARTMAN, I'd say.

Sad.

He had to move his family from Boston. Very sad.

Even Ralph Branca didn't have to leave NY.

But we are getting the soft peddling of the abuse he suffered from the usual source of all lies here.
Says the fan from the city that pelted Santa Claus with snowballs.
Says the idiot whose small-town, small-time, and miniature-minded fans caused their team to forfeit after rioting on ten cent beer night.
Those were Rangers.fans.

We could talk about Dick Allen if you want. But this is the point: Some fans of every team are ignorant assholes. Sometimes, for every team, en masse. Which is why it makes no fucking sense at all to seriously criticize one team's set of fans for behaving the same way your team's fans do.

Then you're off topic.

We can talk about that, though.

Should we talk about how the refs had to keep the Browns in the opposite end of the field from those Dawgs in order to okay their last home game before moving to Baltimore? Or the
LeBron James saga of we love you, we hate you, okay, you're alright, that's it, I'm burning my jersey, again?

Boston has a long history of scapegoating, ala Grady Little, Buckner, Juan Nieves, Chili Davis, Dick Williams, Bobby Valentine, John Farrell, Joe Morgan, John McNamara, Kevin Kennedy....do we have time for this list? And space?

In fact, they do it so often, it should be the name of their team. The Boston Scapegoats.

Sad group of "fans".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
It's not like they made an entire Oscar nominated movie about what psychopathic assholes Philadelphia fans are, or anything.

Dick Allen has a smoke bomb for you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 03:39:34 PM
It's not like they made an entire Oscar nominated movie about what psychopathic assholes Philadelphia fans are, or anything.

Dick Allen has a smoke bomb for you.

Here's a clue. One Mesa you won't find in Arizoned-out is the one you and your fellow losers labeled a rapist.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 29, 2019, 03:48:07 PM
J. D. Hammer. (https://images.app.goo.gl/Vh6oAUJujt2vNZzw8)

Throws 97. First appearance retired Yellich, Moustakis, and Braun...1,2,3.

We will see how he does, but the Phils may now be the only MLB team to ever have a player named Hammer and another who sported the monicker...wait for it... "Nails".



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 29, 2019, 05:15:42 PM
JD's got as nice resume to go with the killer name.  I could see him as their closer in time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 29, 2019, 07:45:17 PM
JD's got as nice resume to go with the killer name.  I could see him as their closer in time.

With a name like JD in a place like Philly, he will have to be careful of flying batteries.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 29, 2019, 10:18:35 PM
If we could have just gotten that 2nd touchdown in, instead of kicking a field goal, a 2 pt conversion would have tied it!

Dang.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on May 30, 2019, 10:54:01 AM
JD's got as nice resume to go with the killer name.  I could see him as their closer in time.

The Hammer came in to tamp down the ninth last night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 30, 2019, 10:56:39 AM
Needs a better nickname.

SLEDGE, maybe?

Ball Pean?

Lily?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2019, 05:22:13 PM
Lily

thst was pretty good.

How about Fredda?

Sox-Ys rained out until August 3rd
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 30, 2019, 05:46:16 PM
Francessa:  "We have yet to find out if the Red Sox are going to have a season"

heh

As you often say, Mikey -

Carefullllll........
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 30, 2019, 05:49:11 PM
Keuchel update:

Twins, Braves, Cards, Brewers join Rays and Yanks

https://www.mlb.com/news/dallas-keuchel-rumors-c297610496

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 31, 2019, 09:22:42 PM
This is not one of those games that Sox fans will cherish forever because of the brilliant Chris Sale start.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 31, 2019, 10:15:36 PM
Sale's start was great. Sadly he peaked in the first inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
Beat again.
Ys just look to be the better team

looks like the Sox might hang around and play for the WC and hope to eventually play better ball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 02, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
Cora = Farrell
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2019, 11:38:55 AM
other than being tied 1-1 in rings I'm not sure what you have considered to come to that sizzlin' Hot Take.

perhaps you could show your work.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 02, 2019, 01:23:58 PM
Cora = Farrell

Because the Red Sox are in last place.

Got it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2019, 02:01:37 PM
While kid's working on his answer can we at least agree that

Cora> Valentine?

Although to be fair BV makes a tasty chicken-parm sub.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 02, 2019, 02:10:41 PM
 :You might say he is more media friendly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2019, 10:41:01 PM
3rd times a charm

Price pitched a pretty decent game.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 03, 2019, 02:10:58 AM
:You might say he is more media friendly.

Than Valentine?

Sure. Even Trump... nah, nevermind.

Cora = Farrell in your imagination, Kiiid, and no where else.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 03, 2019, 12:01:59 PM
You didn't like Farrell then?  Why not?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 03, 2019, 02:32:59 PM
MLB draft tonight (7 PM MLB Net)

Best of luck to locals Volpe and Leiter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 04, 2019, 12:54:37 AM
You didn't like Farrell then?  Why not?

Like isn't the issue.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 04, 2019, 08:22:46 AM
heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 04, 2019, 08:26:12 AM
Anthony Volpe somewhat surprisingly goes to Yankees.  Example of a kid that benefitted from having a teammate getting exposure.  My guess is either Yanks

a)  cut a below slot deal with Volpe prior to taking him

or

b)  were OK with the scenario where they cant sign him but would get an additional first rounder next year.

(Volpe and Leiter are slated to attend Vanderbilt together)

Some Jeter in Volpe, surely.  Smaller, little less range and speed, but heady and can rake.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 04, 2019, 08:27:12 AM
Sox also grabbed a prep SS on day 1.  They dropped ten slots due to luxury tax penalty.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 04, 2019, 08:29:37 AM
Leiter did not go top 2 rounds, amidst murmurs that "he's GOING to Vanderbilt"

Interesting about the SS Volpe - he was tied to really just one team in round 1 - Seattle at 20 (Yanks picked 30th).

Yanks hadnt really let on they might take him.  Thus my guess is Mariners thought they might be able to take a pitcher at 1 and get Volpe second round.

Well played, NY.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 04, 2019, 08:41:58 PM
Great 4th rounder by Sox.  RHP from Navy but they can wait
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 05, 2019, 10:23:11 PM
Yanks get Leiter in round 20

Wouldnt be surprised to see them offer matching 2 mil deals to him and his buddy Volpe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 05, 2019, 11:51:56 PM
Nice to see the Red Sox draft Dewey Evan's grandson. Maybe he can end up in an outfield with Yaz's grandson, someday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 06, 2019, 08:36:20 AM
Great CFBW last night for the Phightin' Phils to start off a most challenging stretch of their season playing 4 against Brewers at home. Later this week, they have 3 vs Rockies, then on the road for 3 vs Cubs, 3 in Milwaukee; then home for 3 against St.Lo, and following that with a 6 game West Coast road trip to LA and SD. And all of that in the league where they still play real baseball.

If they win 11 of those 22, they'll be okay. If they win +11, they'll be a team to reckon with all season long.

Play ball, boys!

Well, well, well. They won 12 of those. But...lost McCutcheon for the season. Lost their CF due to his off field issue, as they should've. Picked up Bruce. Brought up the rookie Haseley . Saw Kingerery emerge as a threat. Saw Franco burn out. Saw three pitchers get injured. Got swept in LA, with two of the three games blown late.

Next stretch includes 3 games vs Reds, 3 D'backs at home, then 3@ATL and 4 @ DC. Then home for 3 vs Fish, and 4 vs The Mighty Mets.

And more adjustments to the lineup coming.

The reckoning continues. Take 13 wins out of that stretch and be happy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 06, 2019, 08:37:53 AM
Halladay kid drafted by BJ's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 06, 2019, 08:55:11 AM
For.what it is worth, we got Miguel Cairo's kid, and someone with the nickname Bottles.

I am starting to think our starting pitching depth might not carry us through this year after all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: oilcan on June 06, 2019, 09:35:15 AM
Bottles strikes me as an excellent nickname.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 06, 2019, 09:38:30 AM
Indians seem to have raided IMG Academy, which is basically a pay to play school (no geniuses there)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 06, 2019, 10:26:40 AM
Bottles strikes me as an excellent nickname.
My bad. It is "Barrels".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 06, 2019, 07:43:54 PM
Afternoon games are fun.

Afternoon games one's team wins are more fun.

Now if we could just convince MLB to institute one old-fashioned doubleheader per team per season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 08, 2019, 12:01:31 PM
Afternoon games are fun.

Afternoon games one's team wins are more fun.

Now if we could just convince MLB to institute one old-fashioned doubleheader per team per season.

lets go for maximum fun today and hope the home team wins the afternoon game.

and it lets the boys from Tampa see trhe sun when they play, a rare occurence for those guys.

and we got a double-header too.

its not the old-fashioned kind, but...

lets hope for tons of fun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 08, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
Afternoon games are fun.

Afternoon games one's team wins are more fun.

Now if we could just convince MLB to institute one old-fashioned doubleheader per team per season.

lets go for maximum fun today and hope the home team wins the afternoon game.

and it lets the boys from Tampa see trhe sun when they play, a rare occurence for those guys.

and we got a double-header too.

its not the old-fashioned kind, but...

lets hope for tons of fun.

It's a Zephod Beeblebrox day!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 08, 2019, 04:47:52 PM
I hope Zaphod enjoyed the day game more than I did. If he/she/it did, then it seems only fair I enjoy the night cap more than he/she/it did. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 09, 2019, 09:51:12 AM
Brett Gardner's new nickname: Doink!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2019, 05:13:43 PM
1 out of 4.

I don't think that will get it done.

Maybe the next T team will be better handled.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 09, 2019, 07:03:05 PM
What the fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2019, 10:52:09 PM
David Ortiz was apparently shot during an attempted robbery in the Dominican Republic. Report from his father says he was taken to the hospital, but have no status.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2019, 10:53:24 PM
What the fuck are you talking about?

Poor Kiiid.

So hard to follow what I said.

The Red Sox just lost 3 out of 4 to Tampa Bay.

Next they play Texas.

There, there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 09, 2019, 11:13:48 PM
David Ortiz was apparently shot during an attempted robbery in the Dominican Republic. Report from his father says he was taken to the hospital, but have no status.
Shot in back, bullet passed thru stomach. Very serious. In surgery.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 09, 2019, 11:30:36 PM
Stable.

Conscious and speaking.

11:15 pm
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2019, 11:47:26 PM
David Ortiz was apparently shot during an attempted robbery in the Dominican Republic. Report from his father says he was taken to the hospital, but have no status.
Shot in back, bullet passed thru stomach. Very serious. In surgery.

Stable.

Conscious and speaking.

11:15 pm

Thank you both for the updates.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 10, 2019, 09:44:54 AM
Shooting caught in camera:
https://www.dailycelebuk.com/News/Video-CCTV-footage-shows-the-moment-David-Ortiz-is-shotRed-Sox-offer-all-resources-to-Ortiz-family.html (https://www.dailycelebuk.com/News/Video-CCTV-footage-shows-the-moment-David-Ortiz-is-shotRed-Sox-offer-all-resources-to-Ortiz-family.html)

Maybe he pissed off the wrong guy?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2019, 10:15:37 AM
don't start

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2019, 10:37:38 AM
Terrible.

I hope he fully recovers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 10, 2019, 10:49:12 AM
don't start

Watching the video, he certainly looks targeted. It's fair to ask why and what for? It wasn't random or a stray bullet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 10, 2019, 10:55:14 AM
Jon Lester agrees. Thinks it was a hit: https://mobile.twitter.com/JLester34/status/1138061806323286016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1138061806323286016&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nj.com%2Fyankees%2F2019%2F06%2Fshooting-of-ex-red-sox-great-david-ortiz-was-a-hit-says-former-teammate.html (https://mobile.twitter.com/JLester34/status/1138061806323286016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1138061806323286016&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nj.com%2Fyankees%2F2019%2F06%2Fshooting-of-ex-red-sox-great-david-ortiz-was-a-hit-says-former-teammate.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2019, 11:24:47 AM
There's a story (rumor) circulating that Ortiz was sitting next to a DR-rapper who is involved in some kind of feud and it was a hit gone bad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 10, 2019, 03:22:47 PM
NyPost says it could be a hit ordered by drug Lord because Ortiz was having an affair with his wife.

https://nypost.com/2019/06/10/drug-lord-may-have-hired-david-ortiz-shooter-over-alleged-affair-with-his-wife/ (https://nypost.com/2019/06/10/drug-lord-may-have-hired-david-ortiz-shooter-over-alleged-affair-with-his-wife/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 10, 2019, 03:55:15 PM
Per USAToday: David Ortiz is expected to be flown from the Dominican Republic to Boston on Monday afternoon for further treatment of a gunshot wound, and answered yes and no questions from family members, according to one of his associates.

Leo Lopez, Ortiz's assistant, told USA TODAY Sports that Ortiz's family is hopeful he will be on his way to Boston by 4 p.m. ET on Monday, via a plane sent by the Red Sox. Lopez said doctors were examining Ortiz early Monday afternoon to determine whether his condition was sufficiently stable to travel.

"Just yes or no. Not a lot of words, but he can talk," Lopez said of Ortiz.

Ortiz was shot in the "lower back/abdominal region" at a bar in the Dominican Republic on Sunday night and underwent surgery at a local hospital.

"The bullet went through his stomach," Felix Durán Mejia, a spokesperson for the Dominican National Police told CNN.

The Red Sox said in a statement that they "offered David's family all available resources to aid his recovery." He is expected to receive further treatment at Massachusetts General Hospital.


Do they deal with a lot of gunshot wounds at Mass Gen? One would think they'd want to bring him to a place where they are used to doing so, like Stroger Hospital in Chicago.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2019, 04:10:39 PM
Gunshot wounds might not be a specilaty at Mass General, but surgery and follow-up care for severe internal injuries to vital organs, is.

I was at Mass Gen for about 2+ weeks about 40 years ago, for internal surgery, and have nothing but praise for one of the best hospitals in the country.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 10, 2019, 10:24:32 PM
Per USAToday: David Ortiz is expected to be flown from the Dominican Republic to Boston on Monday afternoon for further treatment of a gunshot wound, and answered yes and no questions from family members, according to one of his associates.

Leo Lopez, Ortiz's assistant, told USA TODAY Sports that Ortiz's family is hopeful he will be on his way to Boston by 4 p.m. ET on Monday, via a plane sent by the Red Sox. Lopez said doctors were examining Ortiz early Monday afternoon to determine whether his condition was sufficiently stable to travel.

"Just yes or no. Not a lot of words, but he can talk," Lopez said of Ortiz.

Ortiz was shot in the "lower back/abdominal region" at a bar in the Dominican Republic on Sunday night and underwent surgery at a local hospital.

"The bullet went through his stomach," Felix Durán Mejia, a spokesperson for the Dominican National Police told CNN.

The Red Sox said in a statement that they "offered David's family all available resources to aid his recovery." He is expected to receive further treatment at Massachusetts General Hospital.


Do they deal with a lot of gunshot wounds at Mass Gen? One would think they'd want to bring him to a place where they are used to doing so, like Stroger Hospital in Chicago.

A rare backhanded compliment to Boston.

As for where to take him, why not choose some place in the "top" 25 for murder rates in the US instead of Chicago?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 10, 2019, 11:06:09 PM
Stupid game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2019, 11:19:50 PM
heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 11, 2019, 09:21:15 AM
This guy is dead on: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26945522/real-not-home-run-thing-gotten-hand (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/26945522/real-not-home-run-thing-gotten-hand)

MLB needs to correct the ball. It's ruining the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 11, 2019, 09:23:43 AM
Per USAToday: David Ortiz is expected to be flown from the Dominican Republic to Boston on Monday afternoon for further treatment of a gunshot wound, and answered yes and no questions from family members, according to one of his associates.

Leo Lopez, Ortiz's assistant, told USA TODAY Sports that Ortiz's family is hopeful he will be on his way to Boston by 4 p.m. ET on Monday, via a plane sent by the Red Sox. Lopez said doctors were examining Ortiz early Monday afternoon to determine whether his condition was sufficiently stable to travel.

"Just yes or no. Not a lot of words, but he can talk," Lopez said of Ortiz.

Ortiz was shot in the "lower back/abdominal region" at a bar in the Dominican Republic on Sunday night and underwent surgery at a local hospital.

"The bullet went through his stomach," Felix Durán Mejia, a spokesperson for the Dominican National Police told CNN.

The Red Sox said in a statement that they "offered David's family all available resources to aid his recovery." He is expected to receive further treatment at Massachusetts General Hospital.


Do they deal with a lot of gunshot wounds at Mass Gen? One would think they'd want to bring him to a place where they are used to doing so, like Stroger Hospital in Chicago.

A rare backhanded compliment to Boston.

As for where to take him, why not choose some place in the "top" 25 for murder rates in the US instead of Chicago?

Maybe you should look up Stroger Hospital.

Instead of tapping into your usual knee-jerk BS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 11, 2019, 09:28:06 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-police-believe-drug-lord-192521595.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/report-police-believe-drug-lord-192521595.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2019, 09:38:47 AM
Per USAToday: David Ortiz is expected to be flown from the Dominican Republic to Boston on Monday afternoon for further treatment of a gunshot wound, and answered yes and no questions from family members, according to one of his associates.

Leo Lopez, Ortiz's assistant, told USA TODAY Sports that Ortiz's family is hopeful he will be on his way to Boston by 4 p.m. ET on Monday, via a plane sent by the Red Sox. Lopez said doctors were examining Ortiz early Monday afternoon to determine whether his condition was sufficiently stable to travel.

"Just yes or no. Not a lot of words, but he can talk," Lopez said of Ortiz.

Ortiz was shot in the "lower back/abdominal region" at a bar in the Dominican Republic on Sunday night and underwent surgery at a local hospital.

"The bullet went through his stomach," Felix Durán Mejia, a spokesperson for the Dominican National Police told CNN.

The Red Sox said in a statement that they "offered David's family all available resources to aid his recovery." He is expected to receive further treatment at Massachusetts General Hospital.


Do they deal with a lot of gunshot wounds at Mass Gen? One would think they'd want to bring him to a place where they are used to doing so, like Stroger Hospital in Chicago.

A rare backhanded compliment to Boston.

As for where to take him, why not choose some place in the "top" 25 for murder rates in the US instead of Chicago?

Maybe you should look up Stroger Hospital.

Instead of tapping into your usual knee-jerk BS.

I think the work on David's innards is complete.  Stroger better for immediate care?  Fine.  But that's not what this is now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2019, 09:39:48 AM
oh.....

And who the hell wants to be in Chicago?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 11, 2019, 09:50:55 AM
I'll be there this weekend for a graduation and to see the Yankees vs. White Sox on Dad's Day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2019, 11:09:43 AM
Congrats!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 11, 2019, 11:19:19 AM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 11, 2019, 11:30:51 AM
I'll be there this weekend for a graduation and to see the Yankees vs. White Sox on Dad's Day.

Sounds like fun.

Then again, I enjoy Chicago.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 11, 2019, 11:45:35 AM
As do I.  I would move there if offered a job.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 11, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
Chicago's a great city. Used to go there often on business.

My kid had a 6-month rotation out there as her first real taste of corporate life, and she loved it too.

Enjoy the Windy City yank.

My guess is that the MGH follow-up is to make sure the DR surgeons covered all the bases and there is no risk of infection/peritonitis.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2019, 12:48:19 PM
I think he will be in there for quite some time.  Not just a routine folluwup.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 11, 2019, 01:13:55 PM
I think he will be in there for quite some time.  Not just a routine folluwup.

Given my experience with abdominal surgery and associated nastiness, even given advances in surgical techniques, medicine etc, the body and organs need to recover and regain functionality. IIRC it took me about 2+ weeks of hospital time to be strong enough to get released. Then about 6 weeks to get over most of the effects of surgery.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 11, 2019, 01:38:23 PM
I think he will be in there for quite some time.  Not just a routine folluwup.

Given my experience with abdominal surgery and associated nastiness, even given advances in surgical techniques, medicine etc, the body and organs need to recover and regain functionality. IIRC it took me about 2+ weeks of hospital time to be strong enough to get released. Then about 6 weeks to get over most of the effects of surgery.

So, he's pretty much done for the rest of the season, but might make it back into shape for the playoffs?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 11, 2019, 01:44:33 PM
I think he will be in there for quite some time.  Not just a routine folluwup.

Given my experience with abdominal surgery and associated nastiness, even given advances in surgical techniques, medicine etc, the body and organs need to recover and regain functionality. IIRC it took me about 2+ weeks of hospital time to be strong enough to get released. Then about 6 weeks to get over most of the effects of surgery.

So, he's pretty much done for the rest of the season, but might make it back into shape for the playoffs?

heh

he may need a few ABs in pawtucket.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 11, 2019, 01:48:48 PM
He'll be activated and immediately hit 3 HRS against the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 11, 2019, 03:17:46 PM
As do I.  I would move there if offered a job.
I hated living there, though I always loved visiting it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 11, 2019, 03:19:20 PM
My son hated the summers there because they were too hot and hated the winters because they were too cold.  So he moved to San Francisco.  Where it was 100 degrees yesterday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2019, 03:26:54 PM
Global bleepin' warmin'

Killing snowmobilers in AK
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 12, 2019, 08:46:57 AM
I'll be there this weekend for a graduation and to see the Yankees vs. White Sox on Dad's Day.

Sounds great. Less debt! Congrats to all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 12, 2019, 09:09:02 AM
Btw, love Chicago. Great people, great food, fun city. As for Big Papi, it's still looks like a hit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 12, 2019, 10:16:24 AM
Thanks. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 12, 2019, 07:08:39 PM
A walk-off walk.

AWAW. Go Bruins.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 14, 2019, 01:14:48 AM
Yeah, it was a wonderful CFB win, but do we really have to fall behind 4-0 or 6-1?

And listening to Dave O'B go on and on about how unlikely Josh Smith was as the closer tonight reminded me just how much I miss Don Orsillo, still.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 14, 2019, 09:58:30 AM
Big Papi's Love Triangle:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7137557/This-Dominican-model-caught-love-triangle-David-Ortiz.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7137557/This-Dominican-model-caught-love-triangle-David-Ortiz.html)

Cheat in baseball, cheat on wife. Quite the role model.The woman believed to be at the center of the David Ortiz shooting riddle can today be revealed as a curvy Dominican model who flocked to the slugger's side as he fought for his life in the hospital.


DailyMailTV has identified Maria Yeribell Martinez Garcia as the female seen clashing with Big Papi's entourage in a waiting room hours after the failed $8,000 'hit' on the baseball star on June 9 in the Dominican Republic.

A video of the incident circulating on social media shows the busty YouTube beauty vlogger arguing with several other women before being thrown to the floor amid chaotic scenes.

The young mom has not been spotted since, though someone claiming to be Garcia gave a brief phone interview to a Dominican TV station in which she denied any romantic involvement with married Ortiz, 43.

'We are friends, he knows my family and the people are making things much larger,' she said in Spanish. 'His recuperation is what's important right now, not me, not the people in the clinic.'


Ortiz is back in the US and expected to recover after he was shot in the back Sunday night in a crowded patio bar in Santo Domingo's bustling Ensanche Ozama neighborhood.

Maria Yeribell Martinez Garcia (pictured) is believed to be at the center of the David Ortiz shooting riddle as the curvy Dominican model attempted to flock to the slugger's side as he fought for his life in the hospital
Maria Yeribell Martinez Garcia (pictured) is believed to be at the center of the David Ortiz shooting riddle as the curvy Dominican model attempted to flock to the slugger's side as he fought for his life in the hospital
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DailyMail.com has identified Maria Yeribell Martinez Garcia as the female seen clashing with Big Papi's entourage in a waiting room hours after the failed $8,000 'hit' on June 9 in the Dominican Republic
DailyMail.com has identified Maria Yeribell Martinez Garcia as the female seen clashing with Big Papi's entourage in a waiting room hours after the failed $8,000 'hit' on June 9 in the Dominican Republic

A video of the incident circulating on social media shows the busty YouTube beauty vlogger arguing with several other women before being thrown to the floor amid chaotic scenes
A video of the incident circulating on social media shows the busty YouTube beauty vlogger arguing with several other women before being thrown to the floor amid chaotic scenes
The former Boston Red Sox player, 43, was gunned down on June 9.  Dominican Police say a gang of sicarios - hitmen - stalked Ortiz before shooting him at point blank range to claim 400,000 Dominican Pesos ($7,805) that was offered to gun down the former Red Sox star
The former Boston Red Sox player, 43, was gunned down on June 9.  Dominican Police say a gang of sicarios - hitmen - stalked Ortiz before shooting him at point blank range to claim 400,000 Dominican Pesos ($7,805) that was offered to gun down the former Red Sox star
Dominican model at center of Ortiz 'love triangle'.

Dominican Police say a gang of sicarios - hitmen - stalked Ortiz before shooting him at point blank range to claim 400,000 Dominican Pesos ($7,805) that was offered to gun down the former Red Sox star.

Police have not said who was behind the ‘murder for hire’ plot but three law enforcement sources told DailyMail.com it's believed the organizer was a Dominican drug lord who thought Ortiz was having an affair with his girlfriend.

Garcia has not been accused of any wrongdoing and denies being involved with a mobster, describing the love triangle allegation as 'totally false' in an Instagram post circulated on social media.

Alex Radetsky, a US-based agent for Ortiz, declined to comment on whether his famed client had any sort of relationship with Garcia, romantic or otherwise.

But on Monday, a representative for Ortiz, Leo Lopez denied that the shooting had anything to do with a woman but said it was the act of 'hired' killers.

He said: 'There is no doubt that it was an act of hired killers. If we had known that there was a dangerous situation, he would not have been there at that moment.


Radetsky also declined to address a set of images circulating widely in the Dominican media that appear to show that Ortiz bought Garcia a luxury SUV the day before the shooting.

The documents include a June 8 sales agreement for a Lexus RX that lists Garcia as the owner of the new car. 

A bank check made out by David Americo Ortiz Arias, the ex-player's full name, shows a Bank of America check for $84,500.

The memo on the check is translated to read: 'the vehicle purchase'. The check was dated June 10, the Monday after Ortiz was shot.

The young mom has not been spotted since, though someone claiming to be Garcia gave a brief phone interview to a Dominican TV station in which she denied any romantic involvement with married Ortiz, 43

Garcia denied being involved with the star: 'We are friends, he knows my family and the people are making things much larger,' she said in Spanish. 'His recuperation is what's important right now, not me, not the people in the clinic'
Garcia denied being involved with the star: 'We are friends, he knows my family and the people are making things much larger,' she said in Spanish. 'His recuperation is what's important right now, not me, not the people in the clinic'
A set of images circulating widely in the Dominican media that appear to show that Ortiz bought Garcia a luxury SUV the day before the shooting. The documents include a June 8 sales agreement for a Lexus RX that lists Garcia as the owner of the new car (pictured)
A set of images circulating widely in the Dominican media that appear to show that Ortiz bought Garcia a luxury SUV the day before the shooting. The documents include a June 8 sales agreement for a Lexus RX that lists Garcia as the owner of the new car (pictured)
A bank check made out by David Americo Ortiz Arias, the ex-player's full name, shows a check for $84,500. The memo on the check is translated to 'the vehicle purchase'. The check was dated June 10 (pictured), the Monday after Ortiz was shot
A bank check made out by David Americo Ortiz Arias, the ex-player's full name, shows a check for $84,500. The memo on the check is translated to 'the vehicle purchase'. The check was dated June 10 (pictured), the Monday after Ortiz was shot
DailyMail.com approached the Santo Domingo-based dealership to verify whether the papers were genuine. A saleswoman said she was not able to speak to the media because of the ongoing police investigation.

Garcia has not been named as a suspect, nor a person of interest and there is no suggestion she was in on the murder plot.

Dominican authorities have so far arrested six men over the shooting that also wounded Dominican TV host Jhoel Lopez, who it's believed was struck in the leg once the bullet had exited Ortiz' stomach.

Director of Police Ney Aldrin Bautista Almonte told the media on Wednesday afternoon about the murder-for-hire plot. 

He said the botched hit involved a 'gang' of multiple suspects caught on CCTV footage switching between cars and motorbikes as they zoned in on their target.

'This was not a crime committed by two people, this was a group effort,' Almonte told reporters.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 14, 2019, 10:00:50 AM
Apologize for formatting in above post. Can't fix it from phone.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 14, 2019, 04:52:45 PM
Entertainingly, "David Ortiz shooting suspect says baseball legend was not his intended target."

So much for your ongoing bullshit, Piggy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 14, 2019, 10:41:07 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/ice-cube-making-movie-dock-ellis-lsd-no-hitter-210259056.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 14, 2019, 10:45:18 PM
Entertainingly, "David Ortiz shooting suspect says baseball legend was not his intended target."

So much for your ongoing bullshit, Piggy.

I didn't make anything up, Joshie. Just keeping you up to date. I don't write the stories.

But I've been right the whole time.

It WAS a hit.

You may STFU.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 14, 2019, 10:46:50 PM
From Yahoo: "It wasn't supposed to be David," he said, his words translated from Spanish. He further explained he was confused by Ortiz' clothing.



Late Thursday, police in the Dominican Republic arrested three more people in connection with the shooting, bringing the number of people in custody to nine. At least one more person is being sought.



CNN reported Friday afternoon that authorities in the Dominican Republic disputed the report, saying Cruz had admitted to them that Ortiz was the target of the attack. Instead, they speculated he had changed his story because he feared retribution from Ortiz fans inside the jail.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 14, 2019, 11:03:13 PM
Coming back from 1 down is far easier than coming back from 5 down.

I wouldn't mind if we didn't start down at all, except that our record when down might be better than our record when starting ahead.

I suppose I could look it up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 15, 2019, 09:55:12 AM
Do, you want your team to have a head start?  Amazing!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 15, 2019, 11:43:48 AM
poor troll is probably stiil upset his team had a 5-run "head start" last night and pissed it away.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2019, 03:33:00 PM
Do, you want your team to have a head start?  Amazing!

Your grasp of the English language is languishing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 15, 2019, 07:26:29 PM
Josh -

Any idea why I can post from my kindle but am banned for life from my cell phone?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2019, 08:01:06 PM
Josh -

Any idea why I can post from my kindle but am banned for life from my cell phone?

Sure.

Any idea the last time you managed to post from your cell phone? Who's your carrier?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2019, 08:04:12 PM
Hey, they managed to score first this time!

Radical.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 15, 2019, 08:15:32 PM
Josh -

Any idea why I can post from my kindle but am banned for life from my cell phone?

Sure.

Any idea the last time you managed to post from your cell phone? Who's your carrier?
Yesterday. Sprint.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2019, 09:59:08 PM
Josh -

Any idea why I can post from my kindle but am banned for life from my cell phone?

Sure.

Any idea the last time you managed to post from your cell phone? Who's your carrier?
Yesterday. Sprint.

Because I got 10 spams from that IP under 6 different names and email addresses, so I sought to stop them all at once.

Unfortunately, it is the same one that your Sprint seems to use. Nor are you the only one.

I have restarted it, I believe. Let me know if it works or not?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: pfkawhiskeypriest on June 16, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Now I am fucked on all platforms.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 16, 2019, 10:33:00 AM
Now I am fucked on all platforms.

boz is that you?

its looks like you but you put on a few letters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 16, 2019, 10:34:23 AM
speaking of adding letters, the Ys bought two vowels.

EE

perfect.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: pfkawhiskeypriest on June 16, 2019, 10:48:54 AM
Now I am fucked on all platforms.

boz is that you?

its looks like you but you put on a few letters.
Poster formerly known as.

Now I have to do captcha every time I want to post, and answer a question. Note to self: The answer to the question "what rhymes with wham and is why I have to answer this question" is not "Rectal Exam".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2019, 01:43:18 PM
Now I am fucked on all platforms.

boz is that you?

its looks like you but you put on a few letters.
Poster formerly known as.

Now I have to do captcha every time I want to post, and answer a question. Note to self: The answer to the question "what rhymes with wham and is why I have to answer this question" is not "Rectal Exam".

Should be fixed, except for what to do about the perpetual spammers at the same IPs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2019, 02:20:30 PM
The substitute 3rd base coach for the Red Sox really needs to go.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2019, 07:34:45 PM
8-6.

Not the final score one would have predicted a little earlier in the game!

I'll take it. (As if I had a choice.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 17, 2019, 01:01:59 PM
that was a strange game.

alls well...


good games coming up with Sox at the Might Minny's and Rays in da Bronx.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: pfkawhiskeypriest on June 17, 2019, 01:30:54 PM
Now I am fucked on all platforms.

boz is that you?

its looks like you but you put on a few letters.
Poster formerly known as.

Now I have to do captcha every time I want to post, and answer a question. Note to self: The answer to the question "what rhymes with wham and is why I have to answer this question" is not "Rectal Exam".

Should be fixed, except for what to do about the perpetual spammers at the same IPs.
Keeps.telling me I have timed out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 17, 2019, 04:18:13 PM
Now I am fucked on all platforms.

boz is that you?

its looks like you but you put on a few letters.
Poster formerly known as.

Now I have to do captcha every time I want to post, and answer a question. Note to self: The answer to the question "what rhymes with wham and is why I have to answer this question" is not "Rectal Exam".

Should be fixed, except for what to do about the perpetual spammers at the same IPs.
Keeps.telling me I have timed out.

Cleared your cache and rebooted?

Don't know what else to suggest.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on June 17, 2019, 11:45:45 PM
I had the same problem just now. Kept saying I was a guest and kicking back my log in attempts until I clicked on my full log in info and logged in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2019, 12:53:52 AM
Good game for the Red Sox tonight. The Twins are a tough team to shut out - only two, now, this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 18, 2019, 12:15:48 PM
I had the same problem just now. Kept saying I was a guest and kicking back my log in attempts until I clicked on my full log in info and logged in.
Unfortunately it keeeps rejecting my password and.i have long since abandoned whatever email i registered from. So I set up a third login to see if that would at least end the captcha issue. No such luck.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on June 18, 2019, 02:31:12 PM
Tanaka always seems to be better on an extra day of rest.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 18, 2019, 04:04:11 PM
funny thing, me too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 18, 2019, 10:32:52 PM
Dang - what happened to Price?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 19, 2019, 08:38:24 AM
He didn't want to get Keplered.

I bailed after the 14th inning Kepler.

tough loss.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 19, 2019, 09:43:41 AM
73 pitches

He took himself out?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 19, 2019, 11:09:22 AM
73 pitches

He took himself out?

nope.

there's an article in the Globe and it sounds like this was pre-arranged and part of a plan to manage/protect Price as best they can to have him strong for an entire season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 19, 2019, 05:42:02 PM
Losing McCutcheon has had perhaps the greatest impact on the Phightins this year. His clubhouse presence, his defense, his professional demeanor...big loss, and coupled with the injuries to the pitching staff, it's produced a June swoon.

We will see what the young GM does, as the deadline approaches fast this season.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 19, 2019, 05:48:34 PM
Discuss, lawyers: https://sports.yahoo.com/angel-hernandez-labor-takes-loss-124045134.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/angel-hernandez-labor-takes-loss-124045134.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 19, 2019, 06:06:02 PM
Update on the hit on Ortiz, a position first taken here by me, and quickly denied by the RSN, who will never admit they were wrong:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspected-money-man-named-attempted-hit-red-sox-193900179--abc-news-topstories.html (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspected-money-man-named-attempted-hit-red-sox-193900179--abc-news-topstories.html)

Big Papi got sloppy, so they decided to pop he.

I know things, people. I have better sources than you. Wake up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 19, 2019, 09:05:15 PM
The game was great, despite the result.

I was sorry Velasquez had to come out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 19, 2019, 11:45:02 PM
Erod gave the bullpen a rest and the bats kicked

a Kepler away from a sweep

good series against a good team

and the Dominicans sleep better knowing Inspector Clueless has sources

www.obsessedtroll.com

TFF
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on June 19, 2019, 11:49:10 PM
Just had to login again. What in the wide wide  world of sports is going on
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 19, 2019, 11:57:40 PM
Just had to login again. What in the wide wide  world of sports is going on

We had a change of software a while ago. This has been an intermittant problem since then, occasionally exacerbated by my efforts to control spammers. I presume you set your status to logged in forever?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 20, 2019, 12:00:16 AM
A good night forthe Red Sox, especially following the 17 inning loss last night (or this morning, more to the point)!

The Sox have a long haul to be in the playoffs without a 1 game play-in, but series like this are essential to get there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 12:03:16 AM
Just had to login again. What in the wide wide  world of sports is going on

kind of slim pickens, down to mostly baseball for the next couple of months.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 20, 2019, 08:29:35 AM
Update on the hit on Ortiz, a position first taken here by me, and quickly denied by the RSN, who will never admit they were wrong:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspected-money-man-named-attempted-hit-red-sox-193900179--abc-news-topstories.html (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/suspected-money-man-named-attempted-hit-red-sox-193900179--abc-news-topstories.html)

Big Papi got sloppy, so they decided to pop he.

I know things, people. I have better sources than you. Wake up.
Kid and Ham both!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 09:52:21 AM
looking forward to Astros-Ys battle of AL titans
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2019, 10:31:00 AM
Just had to login again. What in the wide wide  world of sports is going on

kind of slim pickens, down to mostly baseball for the next couple of months.

No Womens's World Cup for you?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 11:14:38 AM
Just had to login again. What in the wide wide  world of sports is going on

kind of slim pickens, down to mostly baseball for the next couple of months.

No Womens's World Cup for you?

I suspect as (IF) the US advances to later rounds, I'll probably watch. Haven't so far.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2019, 11:21:39 AM
Couple of local products were the Jamaican goalkeeper tandem - one from Jersey, the other from Jamaica, Queens.   Quite a few US players with eligibility for other nations are taking their shot.... with the US club of course so tough to make.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2019, 11:52:18 AM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 20, 2019, 08:01:21 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/rays-tampa-bay-montreal-split-season

What do you folks think of the idea of a split season between Tampa and Montreal?

The stated goals of such a move would be to keep baseball in Tampa, while improving the team's revenue.

I'm skeptical that it would improve their finances, rather than eating into them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2019, 09:21:57 PM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete

Yeah, she's alright.  Takes a certain type.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2019, 10:18:41 PM
The Mets have a pitching STRATEGIST tonight.  Newly created position. 

Down 6-3 in the 6th

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 21, 2019, 09:30:13 AM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete

Yeah, she's alright.  Takes a certain type.

Do you know the player I was referring to?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 21, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/rays-tampa-bay-montreal-split-season

What do you folks think of the idea of a split season between Tampa and Montreal?

The stated goals of such a move would be to keep baseball in Tampa, while improving the team's revenue.

I'm skeptical that it would improve their finances, rather than eating into them.

This seems like a "solomonic" decision to split the Rayby.

sounds like a messy solution.

Move them to:  Montreal, Charlotte, Nashville, Vegas anywhere but Tampa.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 21, 2019, 11:13:07 PM
A very nice CFBW tonight.

The pitchers after Sale did a great job holding the Jays, giving the hitters time to wake up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 22, 2019, 07:36:50 PM
Ouch!

The Phillies have lost six straight games and 15 of their last 21. They scored just four runs in the first two games of a series with the last-place Marlins, who have a better record this month than the Phillies. They are just two games above .500 and have a losing record (36-37) since opening the season with a three-game sweep of Atlanta.

C'est la vie!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 22, 2019, 07:37:45 PM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete

Yeah, she's alright.  Takes a certain type.

Do you know the player I was referring to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 22, 2019, 08:11:34 PM
Almost went to the Phils game today.

Glad I didnt - as I may have been caught clapping during bottom 9 Phil-ure.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 22, 2019, 08:24:01 PM
Good come from behind win for the Jays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 23, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
Good come from behind win for the Jays.


just about a mirror image of Friday's game.

and the reverse image wasn't a flattering look.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 23, 2019, 12:26:01 PM
Almost went to the Phils game today.

Glad I didnt - as I may have been caught clapping during bottom 9 Phil-ure.

heh

Wise move. Be hard to text with broken thumbs.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 23, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
Now for a really exciting bottom of the 9th!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 23, 2019, 04:48:30 PM
It seems every bullpen in the NL East is terrible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 23, 2019, 05:56:51 PM
it was magical.

I though when the Sox went down 5-0, given the preceding games, I figured we had them just where we wanted.

broke my WC cherry and watched extra innings in Brazil-France, that was pretty good
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 23, 2019, 09:51:43 PM
Kapler watch has begun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 23, 2019, 09:52:37 PM
Bryce Harper has to be the most overrated ballplayer in the history of the sport. A .249 hitter!

No, that would be Phil Rizutto.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 24, 2019, 11:20:11 AM
The Tribe called up Russell Branyan Bobby Bradley. 4 plate appearances included an extra base hit, a walk and a strikeout. I expect a lot of that. A. Lot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 24, 2019, 12:57:28 PM
Eric Roberts should be the Mets Manager, with Joe Benigno as his bench coach. After all, they know more about how to play baseball than any one else, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2019, 10:55:59 PM
And another come from behind win.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 25, 2019, 10:27:39 AM
Bailing in Boston: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/repeat-red-sox-not-turned-154747030.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/repeat-red-sox-not-turned-154747030.html)

What? We haven't reached the All-Star game? I haven't given up on making the WC in Philly? Why would Beaneaters be so quick to bail on their team?

Terrible base.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 25, 2019, 01:21:38 PM
sadly our resident troll is too stupid to understand click-bait in the ultra-competitve world of on-line blogging

SSDD

funny after a philly win he hasn't given up hope, yet just a day ago he had Gabe on death watch

even Grady Little chuckles at the troll's idiocy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 25, 2019, 05:24:55 PM
sadly our resident troll is too stupid to understand click-bait in the ultra-competitve world of on-line blogging

SSDD

funny after a philly win he hasn't given up hope, yet just a day ago he had Gabe on death watch

even Grady Little chuckles at the troll's idiocy

Gabe's on the death watch. I didn't put him there, not do I support it. So there's that bit of fiction out to rest.

But there's real panic in Boston as the bandwagon lightens its load.

Meanwhile, you suck.

I have been realistic about the Phillies all season long.

You may now return to your hole, weasel.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 25, 2019, 05:43:29 PM
Troll you're a hypocritcal idiot.

You told us  Gabe was on death watch presumably because they Phillies sucked and under-performed expectations.

So you were starting to panic.

Speaking of your suckage, you only have yourself to blame for swallowing some blogger's click-bait doomsday scenario,

It only proves proves your obssession and deep insecurities are devouring you.

And you may now return your head securely up your ass, as its close to the dinner hour

and time for you to eat shit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on June 25, 2019, 07:11:42 PM
LOL.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 25, 2019, 11:25:55 PM
A fine come from ahead, come from behind showing.

I'm glad they got the game in!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 26, 2019, 09:22:38 AM
good non-white knuckle win.

day game for Soxes

and then London's caling
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 26, 2019, 04:49:10 PM
that was a f'ugly loss.

I understand DD will be scouring the English countryside for a closer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 26, 2019, 04:50:56 PM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete

Yeah, she's alright.  Takes a certain type.

Do you know the player I was referring to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy)

Interesting how some folks like to brag, but then when caught exaggerating, they claim up.

TFF
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 26, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete

Yeah, she's alright.  Takes a certain type.

Do you know the player I was referring to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy)

Interesting how some folks like to brag, but then when caught exaggerating, they claim up.

TFF

To my knowledge I've never seen that young woman play soccer, so there is no reason I shouild comment about her.

Troll-you stalked the wrong player and only proved you're just an indecent stalker.

and there was no exaggeration in any of my comments.

you're just an indecent insecure asshole.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 26, 2019, 05:57:35 PM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete

Yeah, she's alright.  Takes a certain type.

Do you know the player I was referring to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy)

Interesting how some folks like to brag, but then when caught exaggerating, they claim up.

TFF

To my knowledge I've never seen that young woman play soccer, so there is no reason I shouild comment about her.

Troll-you stalked the wrong player and only proved you're just an indecent stalker.

and there was no exaggeration in any of my comments.

you're just an indecent insecure asshole.

No. She's the right player. You were lying then, and you're lying now.

But, that's what you do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 26, 2019, 06:05:58 PM
My kid played travel/HS soccer with a very talented kid who was a pretty good Div 1 goalie, and who has logged time with the Irish U-17 (?) Last I heard she was on the US U-23 team. 

I remember watching this kid as a 5 year old playing rec soccer and her instincts for the game were astounding. The kid at 5 was a great athlete

Yeah, she's alright.  Takes a certain type.

Do you know the player I was referring to?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casey_Murphy)

Interesting how some folks like to brag, but then when caught exaggerating, they claim up.

TFF

To my knowledge I've never seen that young woman play soccer, so there is no reason I shouild comment about her.

Troll-you stalked the wrong player and only proved you're just an indecent stalker.

and there was no exaggeration in any of my comments.

you're just an indecent insecure asshole.

No. She's the right player. You were lying then, and you're lying now.

But, that's what you do.

heh

well at least the issue of your indecent stalking is settled in the affirmative.

the question which your actions answered, is you're stupid and not very good at it.

you indecent piece of shit you stalked the wrong kid.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 26, 2019, 10:30:41 PM
Bruuuuuce!!! Ring the bell!

Mets renaming their bullpen the cowpen.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 27, 2019, 10:27:05 AM
Would you just give it a rest...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 27, 2019, 01:05:22 PM


troll -you're nothing but a cancer on this forum

About 10-20% of the time, he manages to forget either antipathy for all things Boston or to attack one or another of us personally.

On those occasions, he makes useful comments, posts thoughtful observations, and shares worthwhile links. He's even been known to do so for months at a time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 27, 2019, 04:06:35 PM
Neris blows Nolan's gem. Wrong pitch wrong time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 27, 2019, 04:18:58 PM
Phils sweep anyway
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 27, 2019, 04:30:10 PM
Really bad bullpens rule in NL East.  Have to figure the Nats have the best one with the addition of Fernando Rodney (where's the sarcasm button?).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 27, 2019, 04:34:24 PM
1st career win for Hammer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 27, 2019, 04:45:12 PM
I imagine that will close the book on the Calloway era.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 27, 2019, 04:52:35 PM
Seems like Calloway has been on death row for awhile.

Probably be merciful to end his misery.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 27, 2019, 05:04:53 PM


troll -you're nothing but a cancer on this forum

About 10-20% of the time, he manages to forget either antipathy for all things Boston or to attack one or another of us personally.

On those occasions, he makes useful comments, posts thoughtful observations, and shares worthwhile links. He's even been known to do so for months at a time.
Yeah but since 80 - 90% of the time he is being a racist ass hat, it is just not worth the effort anymore.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 27, 2019, 05:12:10 PM


troll -you're nothing but a cancer on this forum

About 10-20% of the time, he manages to forget either antipathy for all things Boston or to attack one or another of us personally.

On those occasions, he makes useful comments, posts thoughtful observations, and shares worthwhile links. He's even been known to do so for months at a time.
Yeah but since 80 - 90% of the time he is being a racist ass hat, it is just not worth the effort anymore.

He's a malignant piece of shit fouling this place with his pathological insecurity that uses racism and other acts of indecency, to try and diminish others.  To say he's a malignant cancer only 80% or 90% is truly damning with faint praise.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 27, 2019, 05:56:18 PM
Really bad bullpens rule in NL East.  Have to figure the Nats have the best one with the addition of Fernando Rodney (where's the sarcasm button?).

K/BB for Braves relief corps:

Swarzak - 20/6
Ynoa -  2/0
Tomlin -  31/4
Webb -  24/11
Jackson -  54e/12
Winklker -  22/11
Touissant -  38/18
Vizcaino -  6/3
Parsons -  12/11
Blevins -  19/9
Minter -  24/15
Carle -  6/9
Biddle -  11/10
Venters -  7/8
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 27, 2019, 10:47:30 PM
Phils sweep anyway

Turning point?.
Maybe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 28, 2019, 07:59:41 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-ex-red-sox-closer-214529048.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-ex-red-sox-closer-214529048.html)

Miss him, now?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2019, 09:37:26 AM
Fenway UK style

330' down the lines 385' to center and a lot of foul territory.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/06/27/photos-what-london-stadium-looks-like-for-red-sox-yankees/E8ulNjZOfF7AyU4ADCknUI/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2019/06/27/photos-what-london-stadium-looks-like-for-red-sox-yankees/E8ulNjZOfF7AyU4ADCknUI/story.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 28, 2019, 09:56:16 AM
Games are 1 pm and 10 am, I understand - eastern.

Good day for an All Star discussion

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843163-what-can-la-lakers-do-now-with-newfound-max-cap-space?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

https://www.mlb.com/news/all-star-game-roster-rules-faq-c239654292
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2019, 05:03:12 PM
Rapinoe got balls

two big ones
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 28, 2019, 05:37:11 PM
Rapinoe got balls

two big ones

Did you watch her growing up, too?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2019, 05:54:42 PM
Rapinoe got balls

two big ones

Did you watch her growing up, too?

Nope, just the player I mentioned a week or so ago.

Did you stalk the Rapinoe family?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 28, 2019, 06:00:09 PM
ICYMI, and you have the time, this is an epic Francesa on air meltdown: https://youtu.be/csA4y7xv8Y4 (https://youtu.be/csA4y7xv8Y4)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 28, 2019, 06:01:44 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2843079-giancarlo-stantons-injuries-could-spiral-into-265-million-yankees-nightmare?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

I sure hope that this is not a long term problem. Stanton is a player whose career should be rich and historic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2019, 06:13:32 PM
And troll this was the post in context that I responded to.

Couple of local products were the Jamaican goalkeeper tandem - one from Jersey, the other from Jamaica, Queens.   Quite a few US players with eligibility for other nations are taking their shot.... with the US club of course so tough to make.


kid mentions a couple of local kids playing for other countries. Which was the situation of the young woman I watched play from the ages of 5-17.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 28, 2019, 11:54:26 PM
https://twitter.com/NWSL/status/1144811935847858176
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 29, 2019, 12:24:58 AM
And troll this was the post in context that I responded to.

Couple of local products were the Jamaican goalkeeper tandem - one from Jersey, the other from Jamaica, Queens.   Quite a few US players with eligibility for other nations are taking their shot.... with the US club of course so tough to make.


kid mentions a couple of local kids playing for other countries. Which was the situation of the young woman I watched play from the ages of 5-17.

You said she played for Ireland, then team USA, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 29, 2019, 01:47:26 AM
And troll this was the post in context that I responded to.

Couple of local products were the Jamaican goalkeeper tandem - one from Jersey, the other from Jamaica, Queens.   Quite a few US players with eligibility for other nations are taking their shot.... with the US club of course so tough to make.


kid mentions a couple of local kids playing for other countries. Which was the situation of the young woman I watched play from the ages of 5-17.

You said she played for Ireland, then team USA, right?

" logged time with the Irish U-17 (?)"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2019, 09:30:40 AM
And troll this was the post in context that I responded to.

Couple of local products were the Jamaican goalkeeper tandem - one from Jersey, the other from Jamaica, Queens.   Quite a few US players with eligibility for other nations are taking their shot.... with the US club of course so tough to make.


kid mentions a couple of local kids playing for other countries. Which was the situation of the young woman I watched play from the ages of 5-17.

You said she played for Ireland, then team USA, right?

Yup. Ireland U-17. And then some European teams and then some time with US U-23. No idea where she's playing now. If I remember I'll ask my kid, she may know.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 29, 2019, 01:51:25 PM
Evidently they're playing American football in London, not baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2019, 02:09:53 PM
Fox got the game they wanted.

that was an insane first inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2019, 02:11:58 PM
Funny, but who would have guessed that neither Porcello or Tanaka would be part of the decision after that inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2019, 03:43:45 PM
Two huge comebacks in 1-game?

Best hope is for a downpour of Biblical proportions PQD.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 29, 2019, 05:21:34 PM
Two huge comebacks in 1-game?

Best hope is for a downpour of Biblical proportions PQD.

Like I said, American football.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2019, 07:39:36 PM
It wasnt the prettiest baseball, but there sure was a lot of it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 29, 2019, 08:01:08 PM
....and a few injuries.

We may very well be hearing from the "is this a good idea?" crowd.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 30, 2019, 10:36:56 AM
ball seems to carry in London
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 30, 2019, 01:42:32 PM
While I think it is safe to say that the Boston baseball club needs bullpen help (just a little bit), I suspect that it is as much the Yankees as the Sox' bullpen that is at issue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 30, 2019, 01:44:10 PM
Ys winning the Battle of Britain F&S.

But this game turned into Y-batting practce after ERod left. and the BP took over.

DD-wake the fuck up
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on June 30, 2019, 04:51:05 PM
Quite the seventh inning stretch. ;-)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 30, 2019, 06:22:20 PM
Ys winning the Battle of Britain F&S.

But this game turned into Y-batting practce after ERod left. and the BP took over.

DD-wake thre fuck up

Average of 25 runs per game.

That would break a few records over a season, huh?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2019, 09:27:04 AM
I'm just thankful it was an exhibition game, like the soccer guys call a "friendly"  :)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2019, 11:32:43 AM
I'm just thankful it was an exhibition game, like the soccer guys call a "friendly"  :)

That would explain why Bud Selig Rob Manfred sent over the juiced baseballs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2019, 01:04:16 PM
I'm just thankful it was an exhibition game, like the soccer guys call a "friendly"  :)

That would explain why Bud Selig Rob Manfred sent over the juiced baseballs.

https://www.totalprosports.com/2019/06/29/social-media-is-convinced-mlb-juiced-balls-for-yankees-red-sox-london-game-video-tweets/?et_rid=1857161761&s_campaign=fastforward:newsletter
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 01, 2019, 02:33:45 PM
Defending champs were a fucking embarassment in London.

Who wants Cora?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2019, 03:22:48 PM
They got punched in the mouth by a better team, but they didn't quit and they fought back.

They got time to right the ship.

But perhaps you better keep a low profile and wear your Mets hat to avoid personal embarassment.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 01, 2019, 03:52:19 PM
I dont wear MLB hats, but thanks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2019, 03:59:11 PM
I dont wear MLB hats, but thanks

You're weloome.

But word to the wise, whatever you do don't wear your Knicks hat.

Now they had an embarassing week-end.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 01, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
Blaming Cora for the Red Sox losing two games in London is a classic example of why the importance of a baseball is the most overrted concept in sports
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2019, 04:39:30 PM
I'd put a little responsibility on Rick Porcello going 1/3 of an inning and opening the Sox's Pandora box of relief pitching.

6 fucking runs in 1-fucking-third of an inning.

an ERA of 192.00

That was the greatest non-decison of his lfe.   

And I blame Grady Little.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 01, 2019, 09:35:31 PM
That wasn't MLB. THAT was an exhibition series played in Coors Field Way East.

Those games should not count.

Meanwhile, in sadder news,  Tyler Skaggs joins the famed 27 Club

RIP.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2019, 11:50:04 PM
I'd put a little responsibility on Rick Porcello going 1/3 of an inning and opening the Sox's Pandora box of relief pitching.

6 fucking runs in 1-fucking-third of an inning.

an ERA of 192.00

That was the greatest non-decison of his lfe.   

And I blame Grady Little.

*162
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 02, 2019, 08:29:15 AM
Yup.

typing was never a strength.

Rumor has it and has many speculated, upon his return from IL, DD to install Evo as Sox closer.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 02, 2019, 11:28:22 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-ex-red-sox-closer-214529048.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/heres-ex-red-sox-closer-214529048.html)

Miss him, now?

Are you going to ask Sox fans the same question today?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 02, 2019, 09:48:32 PM
Nola is fucking ON tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 02, 2019, 10:29:08 PM
Nola is fucking ON tonight

Do was Neris. Nice win.

Meanwhile, Yanks had to play real baseball tonight. Lost. Great win for Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2019, 10:19:51 PM
The defending world champs showed the Blue Jays what they were made of tonight, that's for sure!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 04, 2019, 09:26:55 AM
Sox out of playoffs

Happy 4th!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2019, 09:42:20 AM
Unfortunately Sale started his fireworks a little early.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 10:10:57 AM
We need another starter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 04, 2019, 12:43:06 PM
No game on the 4th.  Disgusting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 04, 2019, 03:55:13 PM
No game on the 4th.  Disgusting.

The London is Calling Series altered travel schedules, and impacted the MLB calendar.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 05, 2019, 02:30:01 AM
Another day, another come from behind victory.

After coming from mildly ahead. I think we have now won about half the games in which we scored first. Half. Not good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on July 06, 2019, 05:19:48 AM
This is how things were mid 20th century? Yankees and Dodgers played in 8 world series!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 06, 2019, 09:52:06 AM
Calm down, Luee. There's this thing,now, called the Wild Card.

Not to mention, no one has ever appeared in nor won a World Series in the first week of July.

Meanwhile, yank is quietly watching his Nats play winning baseball and climbing back into the season's Division and Wild Cardaces.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 06, 2019, 09:59:32 AM
"My" Nats? Can't stand them. I think they'll win the division though.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 06, 2019, 04:16:25 PM
Yank isnt a Nats fan - he just - like with the Wizards - thinks he knows the team better than anyone because he lives there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 06, 2019, 04:20:44 PM
I don't claim to know those teams better than anyone. I don't know things like you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 06, 2019, 07:40:55 PM
d'Arnaud!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 06, 2019, 11:25:08 PM
Diaz!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 07, 2019, 01:08:41 AM
Red Sox hang on to win again.

Rain delay tonight was a bit more than 4 hours!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 07, 2019, 01:25:24 PM
USA!

I understand kid has ordered Rapinoe jerseys for the entire family.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 07, 2019, 05:09:06 PM
Today the Red Sox ended a streak  in which they gave up  6 or more runs in 8 consecutive games. (And a period in which they surrendered 5 or more runs n 12 of 13, but that's not a streak and who's to say if that's over!)

They've also scored 5 or more in 12 of 14 and 16 of . It was 17 games ago that the Sox last played a game in which both teams scored under 6 runs.

In the last two months, 11 times have both teams scored below 5 runs, with five of those against the Astros.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 07, 2019, 08:31:07 PM
By Hamiltonian standards, the NL Central is the "best" division in MLB at the moment, because from worst to first is 4.5 games, a smaller gap than any other division has between 1st and 2nd place.

That their first place club would be no better than 3rd place in any other division except the NL West, where they'd be 12 games back, is beside the point to him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 08, 2019, 08:22:42 AM
If you told me in March we would be 5.5 back of the Twins going into the break I would have been in despair. As it is, despite nearly everything going wrong that could go wrong, I'm hopeful.

Carlos Carasco has been diagnosed with a form of leukemia but still expects to pitch this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 08, 2019, 01:47:04 PM
Nola has found his groove.

Josh hates competition. Sees it as a weakness. Not unexpected from an extreme leftist.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 08, 2019, 02:07:56 PM
If you told me in March we would be 5.5 back of the Twins going into the break I would have been in despair. As it is, despite nearly everything going wrong that could go wrong, I'm hopeful.

Carlos Carasco has been diagnosed with a form of leukemia but still expects to pitch this year.

Anyone else pick the Twins?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2019, 05:58:12 PM
Nola has found his groove.

Josh hates competition. Sees it as a weakness. Not unexpected from an extreme leftist.

Competition? Is that what you want to call it?

Go right ahead. The NL East, though, is not the "best" division in the majors, which had been your position when the season started.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 08, 2019, 06:41:25 PM
Season over, yet?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2019, 08:49:32 PM
Season over, yet?

Struggling with the meaning of "is," are you? 2nd coming of Bill Clinton, huh?
Do you think it's going to change or are you just grasping at straws?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 08, 2019, 09:08:42 PM
As I figured - Yanks, Sox battling for Zack Wheeler.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 08, 2019, 10:09:28 PM
I haven't watched the HR Derby in severa;l years, but Vlad Jr. and Pederson was pretty good tv.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2019, 10:31:23 PM
I haven't watched the HR Derby in severa;l years, but Vlad Jr. and Pederson was pretty good tv.

Sure was!

My picks for the Derby:
Quote


Way to go! Your picks have been submitted.

Round 1 - Matt Chapman (1) vs. Vladimir Guerrero Jr. (8)
Matchup Winner: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

Round 1 - Alex Bregman (4) vs. Joc Pederson (5)
Matchup Winner: Joc Pederson

Round 1 - Pete Alonso (2) vs. Carlos Santana (7)
Matchup Winner: Pete Alonso

Round 1 - Josh Bell (3) vs. Ronald Acuña Jr. (6)
Matchup Winner: Josh Bell

Round 2 - Winner of 1/8 vs. Winner of 4/5
Matchup Winner: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

Round 2 - Winner of 2/7 vs. Winner of 3/6
Matchup Winner: Pete Alonso

Final
Champion: Vladimir Guerrero Jr.

Pick the player who will hit the longest home run in the 2019 HR Derby, as measured by Statcast
Josh Bell

Pick the distance of the longest home run hit in the 2019 HR Derby, as measured by Statcast
483

Pick the total number of home runs hit in the entire 2019 HR Derby by all 8 MLB players (221 in 2018)
247

Pick the total number of home runs hit by the winning MLB player in the entire 2019 HR Derby (45 in 2018)
51
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2019, 11:13:22 PM
We've seen it before - the most prodigious home run hitter in the early rounds falls in the final round. I had the right pair, but the wrong outcome. 5 feet off for the longest homer. Without the tie breakers in the semi-finals, my total was almost exact. I did not anticipate that they'd finish tied.

And Josh Bell?! What happened? My other failed match prediction.

Wait until next year!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 08, 2019, 11:20:50 PM
Season over, yet?

Struggling with the meaning of "is," are you? 2nd coming of Bill Clinton, huh?
Do you think it's going to change or are you just grasping at straws?

You should be more concerned with the lice in your beard, twit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 09, 2019, 01:54:06 AM
Season over, yet?

Struggling with the meaning of "is," are you? 2nd coming of Bill Clinton, huh?
Do you think it's going to change or are you just grasping at straws?

You should be more concerned with the lice in your beard, twit.

"Oh, dear! Josh accurately pointed out that what I said is full of crap. I guess I need to insult him."

You are so transparent, Piggy.

And, as with our last dispute, you do not have the courage of your convictions when given the chance to stick up for them.

The N.L. East is not the "best" division in MLB and you know it. Playing the rest of the schedule isn't going to change that, and you know that, too.

So, go back to making up shit about people. You know how to do that far better than you know how to defend your positions after you've expressed an opinion. (You're still far better than Ward at that. And Kiiid never really tries.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 09, 2019, 10:21:59 AM
I haven't watched the HR Derby in severa;l years, but Vlad Jr. and Pederson was pretty good tv.

I think the verdict is in -

use the new (juiced) ball for HR derby and go back to the other for game play.

Cool that Alonso made almost double his salary for one night's work (and for a guy like Guererro, it hurts a bit, though he will get his in time).

Pete giving to charity when he doesnt have much yet is a real nice touch.  A Met we can actually admire.  A unicorn more than a polar bear.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 10, 2019, 11:15:56 AM
MLBPA: Baseball doing poor job promoting Betts

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27159004/baseball-doing-poor-job-promoting-betts (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27159004/baseball-doing-poor-job-promoting-betts)


MLBPA doing their job, promoting Betts. LOL


But I have to agree that MLB should always hype their stars as much as possible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 10, 2019, 11:55:22 AM
MLBPA: Baseball doing poor job promoting Betts

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27159004/baseball-doing-poor-job-promoting-betts (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/27159004/baseball-doing-poor-job-promoting-betts)


MLBPA doing their job, promoting Betts. LOL


But I have to agree that MLB should always hype their stars as much as possible.
He should concentrate on performing better.this year. That would help.

And I don't just say that as his fantasy owner. No, wait. I only say that as his fantasy owner. That's what I meant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 10, 2019, 04:01:45 PM
the way its going MLB will find its platform to promote its product and stars will grow smaller as its core baby-boomer fans age and die off.

kids don't have the time or inclination or attention span to continually watch a 3 1/2 hr game

Promotion is great, but IMO MLB has to find a way to get more baseball into the game.

HRs and Ks are great within reason, but guys going 1st to 3rd and maybe getting gunned out by the RFer with a cannon is better.

A DP has more than 2X the entertainment value of 2 ks.

I might get rid of the shift, (or limit its use) and it would probably lead to more hits, more runs more possibility for action.

put more baseball back into the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 10, 2019, 04:21:45 PM
Hail Mary trades in $$$fantasy

Sitting in second, down 9 points.  Trade deadline deals last night:


Give

Lourdes Gurriel Jr

Get

Ozzie Albee’s, Justin Upton


Give

Aaron Bummer, Brandon Nimmo  Wade Miley, Russ Martin, Robinson Cano

Get

Rick Porcello, James Paxton, Rpuggy Odor, Matt Carpenter, Kurt Suzuki, Luke Weaver
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on July 10, 2019, 05:03:33 PM
State of the game is that it can be more competitive, and the economics needs a fix:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1690983001#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s (https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1690983001#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 12, 2019, 07:59:04 PM
 Dwight Gooden remains a terribly sad story.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 12, 2019, 08:21:05 PM
the way its going MLB will find its platform to promote its product and stars will grow smaller as its core baby-boomer fans age and die off.

kids don't have the time or inclination or attention span to continually watch a 3 1/2 hr game

Promotion is great, but IMO MLB has to find a way to get more baseball into the game.

HRs and Ks are great within reason, but guys going 1st to 3rd and maybe getting gunned out by the RFer with a cannon is better.

A DP has more than 2X the entertainment value of 2 ks.

I might get rid of the shift, (or limit its use) and it would probably lead to more hits, more runs more possibility for action.

put more baseball back into the game.


I remember a Star Trek Deep Space Nine episode where it was revealed that baseball was a dead sport on earth and nobody played it anymore. And moreover most people didn't even remember it.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 12, 2019, 08:22:10 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2845094-jake-arrieta-becoming-75m-letdown-is-bigger-phillies-problem-than-bryce-harper?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 12, 2019, 11:24:19 PM
Hey, the Sox played a pretty decent game against the Dodgers.

Some timely hitting. Good pitching.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 13, 2019, 12:43:44 AM
Eddie pitched a nice game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2019, 07:16:54 PM
Andrew Cashner, now pitching for the Red Sox.

His Fenway ERA is terrible, but only two games worth. His record this year is pretty good, especially given that he was pitching for the O's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2019, 10:10:36 PM
Sox game got cancelled.

They're airing some Little League game, instead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 14, 2019, 10:27:44 AM
Sale's season of suck continues.

It seems he's lost his put-away stuff when he needs it.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2019, 12:21:27 AM
Velasquez is looking lost out there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 15, 2019, 09:39:49 AM
slip slidin'away...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 15, 2019, 08:27:08 PM
Nice throw, Tendi - ya punk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2019, 10:58:26 PM
Unnecessary forms of excitement!

But it was a win!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 15, 2019, 11:01:19 PM
First day rollin the dice with Porcello

One win.  Check.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 17, 2019, 11:58:20 PM
Last night was more Little League. Tonight had some, too, but the Sox survived it. We will see what tomorrow brings!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 18, 2019, 07:07:28 PM
Sox makin their run.................
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 18, 2019, 08:17:38 PM
Sox makin their run.................

Sox finally winning more than they are losing at home. Don't know if it will last.

OTOH, Sale won at Fenway for the first time in more than a year in the regular season!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 19, 2019, 09:05:56 PM
Please start the "Price sucks" malarchy so that he can stick it up your butts, like last year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 19, 2019, 10:56:10 PM
Please start the "Price sucks" malarchy so that he can stick it up your butts, like last year

If that's what it takes...

But we had a warning that tonight might not be a good night before the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 20, 2019, 11:32:07 PM
Please start the "Price sucks" malarchy so that he can stick it up your butts, like last year

If that's what it takes...

But we had a warning that tonight might not be a good night before the game.

I might think that last night's game and tonight's balance out, but time is not the Sox' friend. Still, better this than another blow out the other way, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on July 21, 2019, 06:31:56 AM
Two NY teams winning and scoring eleven runs, a rarity.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 21, 2019, 04:04:15 PM
Sox makin their run.................

For moderately broad definitions of "run."

But hey, they didn't get no-hit, right?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 22, 2019, 11:47:18 PM
The Red Sox are on the "Hit every other day" plan, evidently.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 12:10:38 AM
21-12 run.  Have to believe we will outlast A's and Rays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2019, 01:03:28 AM
21-12 run.  Have to believe we will outlast A's and Rays.

Glass half full, huh?

That's a 6-0 run, then 9-7 up to the All Star break, then 6-5 since the break.

Yeah, the Rays seem to be in bigger trouble than that, of late...

But the A's are 7-3 since the Break and were 9-3 leading up to it, so I am not sure why you think they'll fade.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 08:22:13 AM
Well.... you are lookig at game results, not personnel.

If Cora is any good at all he gets it done.

True - Athletics always tough and on a 24-10 run - but 2-3 in last 5 vs real teams

Today thru August 25 looks like tough sledding for OAK
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2019, 08:36:49 AM
So if the Red Sox don't pass Oakland and the Rays, Cora isn't "any good at all"? Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 09:20:15 AM
Depends.

But no - I dont like him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 09:24:08 AM
I know the GM is in on it as well but really -

a)  pick a fucking closer

b)  do something to ignite Porcello, who is too damn comfortable as an "I will get the ball every 5th day" piece.

c)  Play with the lineup a little

d)  Insist we see more minor leaguers before September
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2019, 09:51:58 AM
Depends.

But no - I dont like him.
Okay.  So I assume you think they won last year despite him. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 10:58:21 AM
Nope.  It takes every guy on the roster and coaching staff.  They got it done - cant take that away - ever.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2019, 11:07:45 AM

c)  Play with the lineup a little

d)  Insist we see more minor leaguers before September

They've used 88 batting orders in 101 games, Kiiid. No line up has been used more than 5 times. How much more would you like him to play with it. (None of those involved pitchers.)  Yeah, it's about average, but... you want Sam Travis or Sandy Leon leading off?!

Chavis, Travis, Taylor, Shawaryn, Poyner, Weber, Darwinzon Hernandez, Trevor Kelly, Lakins, Josh Smith, Erasmo Ramírez

How many more minor leaguers would you like to see?

The Red Sox have had 25 pitchers so far this year (plus Nunez).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2019, 11:08:25 AM
Nope.  It takes every guy on the roster and coaching staff.  They got it done - cant take that away - ever.

Then what constitutes "any good?"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2019, 11:43:14 AM
Nope.  It takes every guy on the roster and coaching staff.  They got it done - cant take that away - ever.
So if it they don't get it done this year, it's just Cora (and maybe the GM) not being good enough, not everybody on the roster and coaching staff.  Managing is a tough gig, I guess.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 12:02:59 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/farrejo03.shtml
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 12:18:34 PM
Nope.  It takes every guy on the roster and coaching staff.  They got it done - cant take that away - ever.
So if it they don't get it done this year, it's just Cora (and maybe the GM) not being good enough, not everybody on the roster and coaching staff.  Managing is a tough gig, I guess.

If they dont get WHAT done?

I'd consider an appearance in the divisional round to be a success for Boston in 2019.  I picked the Yankees to win the WS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2019, 12:19:56 PM
https://www.baseball-reference.com/managers/farrejo03.shtml

71   91   .438
78   84   .481
432   378   .533 All five years

In Cora's equivalent season to Farrell's 2014 season, his team is winning at a higher rate than Farrell's average with the Sox. Or are you expecting them to fall to last if/because Cora isn't any good.

Probably his fault that Sale's numbers have sucked.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2019, 12:22:10 PM
Nope.  It takes every guy on the roster and coaching staff.  They got it done - cant take that away - ever.
So if it they don't get it done this year, it's just Cora (and maybe the GM) not being good enough, not everybody on the roster and coaching staff.  Managing is a tough gig, I guess.

If they dont get WHAT done?

I'd consider an appearance in the divisional round to be a success for Boston in 2019.  I picked the Yankees to win the WS.

Why are you asking him what YOU meant?

"If Cora is any good at all he gets it done."

You established passing the A's and Rays as the criterion.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2019, 12:28:41 PM
Nope.  It takes every guy on the roster and coaching staff.  They got it done - cant take that away - ever.
So if it they don't get it done this year, it's just Cora (and maybe the GM) not being good enough, not everybody on the roster and coaching staff.  Managing is a tough gig, I guess.

If they dont get WHAT done?

I'd consider an appearance in the divisional round to be a success for Boston in 2019.  I picked the Yankees to win the WS.
You tell me.  "If Cora is any good at all he gets it done" is your line. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2019, 04:08:59 PM
I sense Cora's not getting it done re the WH visit has shaped kid's opinion of him as a manager.

I mostly blame Sale/Porcello/Betts/JD's fall-off in performance, along with a slumping 10D, and no bullpen, as the primary reason for the Sox decline this year.

Most of these factors are beyond the managers control.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2019, 04:10:51 PM
I sense Cora's not getting it done re the WH visit has shaped kid's opinion of him as a manager.

I mostly blame Sale/Porcello/Betts/JD's fall-off in performance, along with a slumping 10D, and no bullpen, as the primary reason for the Sox decline this year.

Most of these factors are beyond the managers control.
It's entirely Cora.  He got dumb in the off-season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 04:36:19 PM
I sense Cora's not getting it done re the WH visit has shaped kid's opinion of him as a manager.



Makes sense

Except I stated my concern with Cora long before that

Maybe it is because he is Latino

Nah..... not that either
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2019, 06:17:54 PM
Cora telegraphed his WH views, and the liklihood he would not visit the WH, shortly after the '18 WS victory.

So your concerns were based on his '18 performance?

OK.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 07:57:47 PM
You can love the guy.  I have no problem with that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2019, 08:44:56 PM
Very open minded of you.

But I'm not sure I'm ready or need to fall in love with him.

Nice dodge btw the discussion seemed to be why and when you had a problem with Cora.

I posited it came after he won a WS and told Trump to shove it.

Btw, eyeballing the schedule it looks like the Sox have the hardest schedule (# of games against "good" team) of the WC teams: Tribe (30), Rays (17) , As (22) and Sox (31).
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 10:33:27 PM
22-12 run.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 10:37:25 PM
Very open minded of you.

But I'm not sure I'm ready or need to fall in love with him.

Nice dodge btw the discussion seemed to be why and when you had a problem with Cora.

I posited it came after he won a WS and told Trump to shove it.

Btw, eyeballing the schedule it looks like the Sox have the hardest schedule (# of games against "good" team) of the WC teams: Tribe (30), Rays (17) , As (22) and Sox (31).
 

And I told you it was long before that
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2019, 11:00:22 PM
Good to get Moreland back.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2019, 11:07:20 PM
Very open minded of you.

But I'm not sure I'm ready or need to fall in love with him.

Nice dodge btw the discussion seemed to be why and when you had a problem with Cora.

I posited it came after he won a WS and told Trump to shove it.

Btw, eyeballing the schedule it looks like the Sox have the hardest schedule (# of games against "good" team) of the WC teams: Tribe (30), Rays (17) , As (22) and Sox (31).
 

And I told you it was long before that

"Long before that" would be sometime in the 2018 season, when Cora managed the Sox to 108 regular season wins and post-season wins against 2 very strong 100+ win teams in the AL, and a very good Dodger team to win the World Series. The 119 wins (108+11) was 2nd only to the Ys 125 wins in 1998. Many baseball historians view the Sox '18 season as among the most dominant seasons in baseball history.

So you think Cora was the weak link last year?  And if so, perhaps you could expand upon what his weaknesses were in '18.

   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 23, 2019, 11:54:28 PM
Dodger Stadium to undergo $100-million renovation this off season

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2019-07-22/dodger-stadium-outfield-renovation

Video with Vin Scully narrating...

https://youtu.be/VgmEg--a32Y

-------

A winning team needs a winning ballpark.

Go Dodgers!

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 12:28:54 AM
Nobody here needs a history lesson.  Show some respect.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 24, 2019, 01:33:40 AM
I am glad they won tonight.

The ventilator was helpful for that last half inning.

The Cardiac Kids ain't got nothing on these guys (except a few wins)!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 24, 2019, 01:46:25 AM
Nobody here needs a history lesson.  Show some respect.

I need a history lesson!

Was it before the Red Sox won the World Series, on 10/28?

Was it when Cora indicated he might not go to the White House, on 11/1?
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/alex-cora-still-undecided-white-225253273.html

Was it when Cora declared that Benny was going to be batting lead off?

Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 08:48:32 AM
Nobody here needs a history lesson.  Show some respect.

Aretha

Your disingenuity seemed to indicate a timeline with some facts. I supplied them.

Still waiting for your criticisms of Cora's managerial perfromance in '18 and how it impacted the Sox performance.

R-E-S-P-E- C-T

is earned
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 10:23:43 AM
Not a Cora fan

If he wins another title, I will change my tune.

Boone's winning this one
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 10:46:07 AM
Not a Cora fan

If he wins another title, I will change my tune.

Boone's winning this one

As you won't give examples of how Cora lost your confidence in '18, a year when his managerial decisions seem generally unimpeachable, one is left to conclude your animus towards Cora may be more personal or political than a legitimate critique of his professional performance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 11:01:41 AM
I already responded re:  the politics of Cora.

That was in fact some icing on the cake.  But I was anti-Cora prior to this unpatriotic act.

Will you be repeating this many more times?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 24, 2019, 11:04:57 AM
Unpatriotic!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 11:11:43 AM
I already responded re:  the politics of Cora.

That was in fact some icing on the cake.  But I was anti-Cora prior to this unpatriotic act.

Will you be repeating this many more times?

There's is no need for me to repeat a question you seem unable or unwilling to answer.

But in so doing you've confirmed my thesis that Cora's political feelings were at the cora (sic) of your animus.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 11:19:36 AM
You criticized Cora during the Astros series (ALCS)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 11:37:40 AM
You criticized Cora during the Astros series (ALCS)

LOL

Another Dodge.

And I figured you as a Chevy guy.

Your comment is fucking irrelevant.

I may have, and I probably did make some critical game comments, as there are (were) potentially several decisons within a game to question. But making a critical comment on a managerial decision does not encompass my feelings over whether Cora did a great or poor job in '18.

Keep on Dodging kid.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 12:14:30 PM
Actually you said "many on the other site" were calling for Cora's firing.

I assume that was SOSH.

Cora's weird maneuvers quite nearly put the KI-bosh on what was one of the great seasons in Red Sox history.  At the time you were not in his corner.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 12:37:05 PM
Actually you said "many on the other site" were calling for Cora's firing.

I assume that was SOSH.

Cora's weird maneuvers quite nearly put the KI-bosh on what was one of the great seasons in Red Sox history.  At the time you were not in his corner.

Kid's revving the Dodge again.

Kid to the best of my recollection the only big criticism of Cora came early this year (March-April 2019) as it related to Cora's approach to spring training., and the team looking unprepared in the first few weeks of the season.

I do not recall any serious criticisms of Cora managing last year., and have no recollections at all of posters calling for his firing this year.

I think you're either fabricating or misremembering.

Keep on Dodging (MADE IN THE USA!)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 12:49:23 PM
Kid to the best of my recollection the only big criticism of Cora came early this year (March-April 2019) as it related to Cora's approach to spring training., and the team looking unprepared in the first few weeks of the season.


Celebrated too long, I guess.

I will log that in as a negative.

(Team in fact went out 6-13 and have since won 50 and lost 33, but they arent "surging")
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 12:55:45 PM
I do not recall any serious criticisms of Cora managing last year., and have no recollections at all of posters calling for his firing this year.


This forum, pages 50-60 might shed some light.

LAST year, as I already noted. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 01:09:06 PM
David Price.  Hall of Fame.  Discuss.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 01:15:02 PM
I do not recall any serious criticisms of Cora managing last year., and have no recollections at all of posters calling for his firing this year.


This forum, pages 50-60 might shed some light.

LAST year, as I already noted.

I just scanned those pages. Other than a in-game comment made during the Atros series about a 2nd guess, (maybe about Porcello) Ive no idea what you are yammering about.


Again the issue you wish to dodge was your objections to Cora's job last year as a manager.

Not an out of context game thread comment.

Keep on dodging kid.

Your disingenuity grows in direct proportion to your shrinking credibilty.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 24, 2019, 01:16:38 PM
If you put him in based only what you he's done so far then you'd have to put Johan Santana in, too.

Still, and all, Jess Haines is in, so I'd have no problem with Price.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 01:41:58 PM
If you put him in based only what you he's done so far then you'd have to put Johan Santana in, too.

Still, and all, Jess Haines is in, so I'd have no problem with Price.

Santana is somewhat like Don Mattingly's HoF candidacy. Maybe the best at what they did, but not long enough.

IMO peak Santana was a better pitcher than Price.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 24, 2019, 01:45:30 PM
Agreed.  But if Price is an HOF guy as of today, then so is Santana. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 01:49:48 PM
Agreed.  But if Price is an HOF guy as of today, then so is Santana.

I don't think Price is a HoF guy today. But he's got a few more years to bulk-up his resume.

Same for Jon Lester.

I'd have no strong problem with the vets committee "Bainesing" Santana in the future.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 03:40:03 PM
Dave spit the bit today, so he's OUT!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 03:41:09 PM
Tendi 0-4

Most overrated player in recent memory.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2019, 06:07:35 PM
10-D

Tampa series

5-13 .385

HR, 2 doubles, 2 singles = 10 TB = .714 slg %

1.099 OPS for the series.

not a bad series.

kid enjoys picking out the cherries then complaining he didn't get any cherries.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 24, 2019, 11:33:22 PM
Sox have a chance to add Edwin Diaz

Get to it, Dave D.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 25, 2019, 10:55:48 PM
Sox were fucking savages in the box
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 26, 2019, 09:05:56 AM
Now that was funny.

Tanaka find your tanto.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2019, 11:33:56 PM
That would have been more satisfying had I had a chance to watch it, but it will have to do!

And too bad about that 4th homer, Mookie. But one more 3 homer game and you'll tie a different record.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 27, 2019, 01:38:38 AM
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/mookie-betts-hits-three-homers-for-fan

Promised the kid he would hit one.

He hit 3.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 27, 2019, 10:34:51 AM
Now that was funny.

Tanaka find your tanto.

HOLY COW CAP!!!

Are you suggesting Harry Caray? :)












Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 27, 2019, 11:17:48 AM
Sox makin their run.................

yyyepppp
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 27, 2019, 11:19:24 AM
Any Red Sox offers to propose for Syndergaard?

Yanks also on the trail.

Mets would certainly lean heavily to Yanks if they offered Garcia.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 27, 2019, 11:44:02 AM
Any Red Sox offers to propose for Syndergaard?

Yanks also on the trail.

Mets would certainly lean heavily to Yanks if they offered Garcia.

I doubt the Sox are even considering him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 27, 2019, 01:12:19 PM
I would think that all things being equal Noah S to the Ys would demand a pretty big haul for the Mets. A package every day players PLUS the Y's prize pitching prospect.
Mets fans would comitt Harry Caray if Noah wins a WS in da Bronx!!

HOLY COWSHIT!

I don't think the Sox have entered Noah's arc.

they need a 8th inning guy or closer.

maybe Diaz?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 27, 2019, 07:01:52 PM
Sox offense really humming. Yankees have no answer for it the last three days.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 28, 2019, 01:02:18 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2846992-why-2-mlb-legends-may-boycott-derek-jeter-hof-induction-in-2020?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

Jeter's earned the scorn he's getting. And it isn't like he hasn't had a ton of time to make it better, if not right.

Sure, guys, you can come back - but no uniforms for you, no helping during Spring Training. And more than 2/3ds of your former pay cut. And I'm still not going to talk to you myself!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 28, 2019, 09:37:32 AM
Why haven't the Reds hired Perez?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 28, 2019, 06:01:09 PM
No lead is safe.

Poor Blue Jays, up 8-1, and then...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 28, 2019, 10:55:40 PM
This one went the other way.

If only... but never mind.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 28, 2019, 11:00:45 PM
to sort of paraphrase Meatloaf,

now don't be sad
cuz 3 out of 4 aint bad
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 29, 2019, 11:12:24 AM
Terrible loss as Cora allows Bradley to bat in the eighth
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 29, 2019, 11:51:37 AM
Terrible loss as Cora allows Bradley to bat in the eighth

Who did you want to have pinch hit for him?

Rick Porcello?

There were no more bats on the bench, Kid. And arguing that he pinch hit for the wrong guy makes no sense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 29, 2019, 12:35:46 PM
Sox played a sloppy game last night and Sale sucked.

I was sure kid would manufacture some complaint about 10D.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 29, 2019, 04:48:13 PM
Yay the Yankees figured out their signs were getting stolen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 29, 2019, 06:29:33 PM
Stolen signs?

The ones that read:

Help wanted

Starting pitching, experience helpful but not necessary.

 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2019, 09:21:13 AM
Happy TD Day.   Mets driving the train.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2019, 11:09:15 AM
Happy TD Day.   Mets driving the train.

Busy day expected for the NTSB?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 31, 2019, 11:47:26 AM
Bauer to Cinci for Puig, Reyes (from SD) and some minor leaguers. Salazar is finally coming back after a couple years, but I was surprised he was traded before Kluber or Cookie were back.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 31, 2019, 01:39:19 PM
Centerfield.fence is a foot closer in Cinci than Cleveland, which should work out well for Bauer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 31, 2019, 04:02:23 PM
Happy TD Day.   Mets driving the train.
Short trip.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2019, 04:28:26 PM
Astro's just hi-jacked the train with the Grienke deal.

That's a championship winning trade.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2019, 04:40:47 PM
Romine gives Yanks lead and robs Greinke of final AZ  win. And the unnecessary Zack Britton tosses a scoreless 8th
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2019, 09:36:51 PM
Another great job by the coaching staff getting Porcello right
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 31, 2019, 11:09:52 PM
Another great job by the coaching staff getting Porcello right

Porch-fellow had his issues.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 01, 2019, 09:54:37 AM
Might have to place him on my favorite list: Worst Pitchers to Win a Cy Young Award.

Probably place him somewhere around Mark Davis and Steve Stone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 01, 2019, 10:31:13 PM
Tight game, except for the pitching and hitting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2019, 11:30:27 PM
Disappointing.

Inconsistency has has been the only constant with this team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 02, 2019, 11:56:02 AM
Astro's just hi-jacked the train with the Grienke deal.

That's a championship winning trade.

I remind you of 2011.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2019, 06:06:38 PM
Astro's just hi-jacked the train with the Grienke deal.

That's a championship winning trade.

I remind you of 2011.

That's not what I would have said, but okay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 02, 2019, 07:10:18 PM
Paxton needs to step up, starting tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 02, 2019, 09:52:12 PM
Nice catch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 02, 2019, 10:56:06 PM
Thurmon Munson Day. 40 years.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2019, 12:10:31 AM
"Let's play two!"

Or maybe not... The weekend against the Yankees in Boston was the tease.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2019, 09:56:00 AM
Disappointing.

Inconsistency has has been the only constant with this team.

A losing streak was not the consistency I was hoping for.

Be careful what you wish for.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2019, 09:24:19 PM
Sure, we're down, but only by a touchdown and it's still in the first half, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 04, 2019, 09:41:01 PM
and we got Brady.

not a problem
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2019, 07:57:54 PM
Mets 10 of 11....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 05, 2019, 09:01:26 PM
Tried to get into the forum all day but it wouldn't allow me to login. The site must've picked up some kind of virus. Maybe sweepitis? Seems to have lasted for about 14 and a half hours.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2019, 10:20:20 PM
A WIN!

'bout time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2019, 10:50:35 AM
Tried to get into the forum all day but it wouldn't allow me to login. The site must've picked up some kind of virus. Maybe sweepitis? Seems to have lasted for about 14 and a half hours.

Real good team this year, Cap

Found a good one in Boone
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2019, 10:51:13 AM
Mets 10 of 11....

PLUS 1
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2019, 09:02:45 PM
This seems much more familiar than last night's game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2019, 09:31:13 PM
Cashner's fuckin beautiful
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2019, 10:11:42 PM
Its OK boys

Cora gets one more year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2019, 10:25:59 PM
Dombrowski might not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2019, 11:38:51 PM
RED SOX

Matt Barnes: "BARNESY"
Andrew Benintendi: "BENNY"
Mookie Betts: "MOOKIE"
Xander Bogaerts: "X-MAN"
Jackie Bradley Jr.: "JBJ"
Andrew Cashner: "CASH"
Michael Chavis: "CHIEF"
Rafael Devers: "CARITA"
Nathan Eovaldi: "NITRO"
Darwinzon Hernandez: "HERNANDEZ"
Brock Holt: "BH"
Brian Johnson: "BJ"
Sandy Leon: "NOAH"
J.D. Martinez: "FLACO"
Mitch Moreland: "2 - BAGS"
Steve Pearce: "PEARCE"
Dustin Pedrioa: "PEDEY"
Rick Porcello: "PORCELLO"
David Price: "X
Eduardo Rodriguez: "EL GUALO"
Chris Sale: "THE CONDUCTOR"
Josh Taylor: "TAYLOR"
Sam Travis: "DR. CHILL"
Christian Vazquez: "COLO"
Marcus Walden: "WALDO"
Ryan Weber: "WEB"
Brandon Workman: "WORK"

-Bor-ing!!!


All teams

https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-mlb-players-weekend-nicknames
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 07, 2019, 09:15:50 AM
Mets 10 of 11....

PLUS 1

PLUS 1 again
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 07, 2019, 09:25:56 AM
RED SOX

Matt Barnes: "BARNESY"
Andrew Benintendi: "BENNY"
Mookie Betts: "MOOKIE"
Xander Bogaerts: "X-MAN"
Jackie Bradley Jr.: "JBJ"
Andrew Cashner: "CASH"
Michael Chavis: "CHIEF"
Rafael Devers: "CARITA"
Nathan Eovaldi: "NITRO"
Darwinzon Hernandez: "HERNANDEZ"
Brock Holt: "BH"
Brian Johnson: "BJ"
Sandy Leon: "NOAH"
J.D. Martinez: "FLACO"
Mitch Moreland: "2 - BAGS"
Steve Pearce: "PEARCE"
Dustin Pedrioa: "PEDEY"
Rick Porcello: "PORCELLO"
David Price: "X
Eduardo Rodriguez: "EL GUALO"
Chris Sale: "THE CONDUCTOR"
Josh Taylor: "TAYLOR"
Sam Travis: "DR. CHILL"
Christian Vazquez: "COLO"
Marcus Walden: "WALDO"
Ryan Weber: "WEB"
Brandon Workman: "WORK"

-Bor-ing!!!


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https://www.mlb.com/news/2019-mlb-players-weekend-nicknames
I worry about Pedroia.

Shane Bieber's is obvious but, given his baseball card, may need repeating.

Quick scan, the most boring nickname is the D-Back's Robbie Ray's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: oilcan on August 07, 2019, 12:15:21 PM
Last time I watched much Sox baseball, it was "Yaz."  Then, interest briefly rekindled, in the oughts, when there was "Big Papi."

"Pedey" is better than "Pedo." 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 07, 2019, 12:20:56 PM
Last time I watched much Sox baseball, it was "Yaz."  Then, interest briefly rekindled, in the oughts, when there was "Big Papi."

"Pedey" is better than "Pedo."
What about... Oil Can?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2019, 03:29:45 PM
Last time I watched much Sox baseball, it was "Yaz."  Then, interest briefly rekindled, in the oughts, when there was "Big Papi."

"Pedey" is better than "Pedo."

Pedey is now toast. He underwent more knee surgery, it was called "joint preservation procedure".

He'll never play pro ball again.

I hope he gets to run and play with his kids.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 07, 2019, 03:51:22 PM
He's still able to go 4 for 5 against the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2019, 07:13:07 PM


He'll never play pro ball again.



hmmmmm...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 07, 2019, 08:49:23 PM
I'm thinking "sweep".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2019, 10:02:41 PM
Heh

CoraSox are sooooo bad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2019, 10:28:13 PM
Tampa and Oakland is a great race, meantime.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2019, 10:48:33 PM
"They can manicure the invalid and the box."

Now, though, "they're going to bring out the tart."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2019, 12:32:06 AM
Hey, looks like we split with the mighty KC Royals! 1 win, 1 loss, and 1 temporary tie.

Go us!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: oilcan on August 08, 2019, 08:57:22 AM
Last time I watched much Sox baseball, it was "Yaz."  Then, interest briefly rekindled, in the oughts, when there was "Big Papi."

"Pedey" is better than "Pedo."
What about... Oil Can?

Rot Gut would have been better.  Dennis and his youthful compadres drank bad moonshine, down in Meridian, not "oil" (beer).   As far as the pitching went, it was coke that warmed things up in the bullpen.   But, like a justice of the SCt, I like beer.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2019, 01:12:56 PM
MLB and Field of Dreams

Ys @ WSox in Iowa 2020

https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-white-sox-game-at-field-of-dream-site (https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-white-sox-game-at-field-of-dream-site)

Perhaps as part of the massive marketing campaign for the event, MLB and the Hall of Fame can make a simultaneous announcement just before the game, that Shoeless Joe will be inducted into the HoF.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 08, 2019, 08:18:58 PM
Last time I watched much Sox baseball, it was "Yaz."  Then, interest briefly rekindled, in the oughts, when there was "Big Papi."

"Pedey" is better than "Pedo."

Pedey is now toast. He underwent more knee surgery, it was called "joint preservation procedure".

He'll never play pro ball again.

I hope he gets to run and play with his kids.

Helluva a player when he was right.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 09, 2019, 12:25:37 AM
Tonight's game at Fenway was a delight, and in a crisp 2:16, too!

It is far to early to proclaim that "Sale is back!" but at a bare minimum, he was back tonight. Lots of swings and misses. Decent velocity.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2019, 08:08:09 PM
Toronto hopping on us early.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 09, 2019, 08:26:50 PM
MLB and Field of Dreams

Ys @ WSox in Iowa 2020

https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-white-sox-game-at-field-of-dream-site (https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-white-sox-game-at-field-of-dream-site)

Perhaps as part of the massive marketing campaign for the event, MLB and the Hall of Fame can make a simultaneous announcement just before the game, that Shoeless Joe will be inducted into the HoF.

If MLB really wants to, uh, hit a home run on this one, only let Little Leaguers to come to the game. NO adults. No scams on the online ticket agencies, etc. Just kids. And for free.

But let's see what happens.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 09, 2019, 08:27:23 PM
Toronto hopping on us early.

I knew once a girl from Toronto who liked to do the same thing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 09, 2019, 08:48:51 PM
They're many Phront-runners (J-Roll got it right for many of the allegedly Phaithful Phanatics) screaming for Gabe Kapler's head in Philly. But, I think about another manager they had, and his GM failed him, too. He had no pitching. He had some young players to work with, and he had his veteran players get sideline with injuries, just like Kapler has had. He had one real starting pitcher, and the bullpen suffered injuries, and wasn't very reliable. But this 2019 team has actually outplayed those teams, despite the similarities.

Ultimately, the fans blamed him for the losing. And the GM let him go, mostly to save his own hide. Eventually that GM was let go, and things turned around and led to a championship. This time in Philly seems a little like then.

It all reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0cqxJElqA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0cqxJElqA)

That manager's name? Terry Francona, of course.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 09, 2019, 10:22:08 PM
Gary Cohen is as big a homer as any announcer in baseball has ever been.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2019, 10:37:15 PM
First Met game I have watched beginning to end all year.  Good win.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 09, 2019, 11:31:27 PM
All tied up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2019, 10:35:49 AM
All tied up.

kinky
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2019, 10:39:06 AM
Fast and the Furious 10-Commuting From Darien



https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/connecticut-cops-swarm-brian-cashman-with-guns-drawn-after-mistaking-him-for-car-thief (https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/connecticut-cops-swarm-brian-cashman-with-guns-drawn-after-mistaking-him-for-car-thief)


Brian Cashman was swarmed by a group of Connecticut police officers who drew their firearms on the Yankee general manager Friday when he was apparently mistaken for an armed car thief, The Post has learned.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 10, 2019, 11:25:52 AM
Fast and the Furious 10-Commuting From Darien



https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/connecticut-cops-swarm-brian-cashman-with-guns-drawn-after-mistaking-him-for-car-thief (https://nypost.com/2019/08/09/connecticut-cops-swarm-brian-cashman-with-guns-drawn-after-mistaking-him-for-car-thief)


Brian Cashman was swarmed by a group of Connecticut police officers who drew their firearms on the Yankee general manager Friday when he was apparently mistaken for an armed car thief, The Post has learned.
Good thing he is white.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 10, 2019, 04:30:36 PM
First Met game I have watched beginning to end all year.  Good win.

Why should you be different than the other Mets fans?

  ,
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 10, 2019, 04:47:08 PM
Heh

The gang was firing Callaway again last night
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 10, 2019, 06:28:00 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 10, 2019, 06:29:49 PM
Go, Jersey!

https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/08/how-to-watch-nj-little-league-champions-in-world-series-mid-atlantic-regional-final-tonight-time-tv-channel-live-stream.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/2019/08/how-to-watch-nj-little-league-champions-in-world-series-mid-atlantic-regional-final-tonight-time-tv-channel-live-stream.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2019, 08:57:26 PM
Another good one at CITI

This is the exact time last night masses clamored for Lugo

Syndergaard dealing into the 7th, though
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2019, 03:30:41 PM
Mets-Nats 3-3 after 6 in all three games

Big one here for NY

Can Diaz redeem himself?  Lets get a run first boys
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2019, 04:45:47 PM
Nope

Edwin makes a mess of it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 11, 2019, 05:48:57 PM
Cashner is...

His ERA at Fenway coming into the trade was 7.00;

his ERA at Fenway since joining the Sox? 8.51.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2019, 08:04:23 PM
Cora keeps starting him
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 11, 2019, 10:06:11 PM
Cora keeps starting him

Figured that out, did you?

Cora has used 7 starters other than Sale, Price, Erod, and Porcello, in a total of 27 starts. 108.2 innings, or 4 innings per start on average. 86 runs given up. ERA? 7.12 collectively.

You want to pin it on Cora? Go right aread, but I think it's on (a) the GM and (b) the rest of the starters. Yeah, the 5th starters have sucked, but if the "big 4" had won more than 55% of their games, if Porcello and Sale's combined ERA was a run better than 5, instead of over 5, things would be different.

Make your argument for why Cashner's failure to perform is Cora's fault and who you would have him starting, instead.

IMO, I might try Workman, whose starting ERA is 50% higher than his career relief ERA, which is itself roughly double is 2019 relief ERA - but at least he averaged 5+ inning per start, with a sub-5 ERA in those starts!

But to what end given this season?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2019, 11:07:16 PM
Workman's the closer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2019, 12:37:13 AM
Workman's the closer.

Thank you, Captian Obvious.

Tonight he worked in a non-closing role, as he has done along the way.

I'd consider it. Given his success in his current role, it is hard to take that away from him.

So, I repeat my earlier, since dodged, request. Kid:
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Make your argument for why Cashner's failure to perform is Cora's fault and who you would have him starting, instead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 12, 2019, 06:58:15 AM
Normally, I hate to blame injuries for a season unraveling, especially when the offense's performance is below expectations, but the reality is the Phillies have been decimated. Now, if it was New York, there'd be a call to fire the trainer. But in Philly, they are having their own version of Grady Little Syndrome. Or maybe it's Bobby Vee Syndrome?

As far as prospects for this team making the playoffs, in the hearts of most Phillies Phans, the Eagles have landed.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 12, 2019, 09:56:51 AM
Way to go Orioles. ;-)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 11:04:42 AM
Key move in fantasy. Looking for steals and batting average picked up Tauchman for Upton. 8 game week for Yanls. PPassed for now on Romine. May use Gore in September
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2019, 11:18:13 AM
Key move in fantasy. Looking for steals and batting average picked up Tauchman for Upton. 8 game week for Yanls. PPassed for now on Romine. May use Gore in September

Gore's a losing move in the fall. You should try to pick up Bush, instead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 11:20:59 AM
Workman's the closer.

Thank you, Captian Obvious.

Tonight he worked in a non-closing role, as he has done along the way.

I'd consider it. Given his success in his current role, it is hard to take that away from him.

So, I repeat my earlier, since dodged, request. Kid:
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Make your argument for why Cashner's failure to perform is Cora's fault and who you would have him starting, instead.

What?  The production from Cashner, Cora’s fault?

While I do believe the best coaches/managers can affect a pitcher in a positive manner.... of course the key is where the manager uses the player
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2019, 01:56:34 PM
Workman's the closer.

Thank you, Captian Obvious.

Tonight he worked in a non-closing role, as he has done along the way.

I'd consider it. Given his success in his current role, it is hard to take that away from him.

So, I repeat my earlier, since dodged, request. Kid:
Quote
Make your argument for why Cashner's failure to perform is Cora's fault and who you would have him starting, instead.

What?  The production from Cashner, Cora’s fault?

While I do believe the best coaches/managers can affect a pitcher in a positive manner.... of course the key is where the manager uses the player

Cora keeps starting him

And, again:

Who you would have him starting, instead?

You can't just take a pitcher out of the rotation. You have to put somebody else in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 03:10:56 PM
Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 03:15:30 PM
Cashner has TEN quality starts this year, though just 1 in 6 Sox starts

I am sure this is enough for Cora to stay with him
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 04:02:48 PM
Key move in fantasy. Looking for steals and batting average picked up Tauchman for Upton. 8 game week for Yanls. PPassed for now on Romine. May use Gore in September

No immediate gratification as Tauch goes 0-4 - but got the key W from Paxton.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 12, 2019, 05:54:00 PM
Who has the best record in the AL since June 4th?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2019, 05:57:08 PM
I'd imagine it's Cleveland.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 12, 2019, 07:43:43 PM
I'd imagine it's Cleveland.

Yep. 41-17. Too bad Franconia left Boston.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2019, 08:14:17 PM
he'd probably have two more rings.

on more recent matters Franconas-5 Sox -1 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2019, 08:21:23 PM
Cashner has TEN quality starts this year, though just 1 in 6 Sox starts

I am sure this is enough for Cora to stay with him

Still waiting for you to answer the question, Kid, but not expecting it at this point.

You love to raise issues and then not follow through.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2019, 08:42:17 PM
kid doesn't know how to support his positions.

He generally just parrots someone else's, or goes for the hot take.

If you scratch the surface with kid, and you get a dirty fingernail.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 12, 2019, 08:49:48 PM
I'd imagine it's Cleveland.

Yep. 41-17. Too bad Franconia left Boston.
Franconia? Sounds like a country in a Marx Brothers movie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2019, 09:22:42 PM
On this day in 1968, the Atlanta Braves signed Satchel Paige.

https://theundefeated.com/features/the-day-the-atlanta-braves-signed-satchel-paige-so-he-could-get-his-mlb-pension/?fbclid=IwAR07S8ipR9aSxamUDRQUX6oh_GWvnJv3sWiCPA4e4O-kJnLErkPPi8GpVIc
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 09:31:06 PM
Cora!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 12, 2019, 09:35:52 PM
I'd imagine it's Cleveland.

Yep. 41-17. Too bad Franconia left Boston.
Franconia? Sounds like a country in a Marx Brothers movie.

It's a real place. Germany.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2019, 09:41:48 PM
I'd imagine it's Cleveland.

Yep. 41-17. Too bad Franconia left Boston.
Franconia? Sounds like a country in a Marx Brothers movie.

It's a real place. Germany.

And New Hampshire, where the Old Man in the Mountains used to be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 12, 2019, 10:45:16 PM
Oye como VA!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2019, 10:46:04 PM
Francona's walk it off in the 9th.

Lets go Pats!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2019, 10:52:53 PM
Cora!!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2019, 11:29:07 PM
Cora!!!!!!

Still waiting, Kid.

Who should Cora start instead of Cashner?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2019, 12:34:26 AM
Could be the Red Sox lack leadership from the player front as well.

We will need to wait and read the book some Boston scribe likely pens on the lost season
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 13, 2019, 01:51:08 AM
Could be the Red Sox lack leadership from the player front as well.

We will need to wait and read the book some Boston scribe likely pens on the lost season

Still no answer.

Could it be that you lack the integrity to simply admit that Cora didn't have any better answers than Cashner, dreadful though he's been?

Oh, so hard to believe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2019, 08:16:35 AM
No big deal

Cora's troops would still be 5 games back had they won 5 of 6 Cashner games.

Maybe AC knew the season was lost anyway so continues to go with the big stiff.

Draft pick!!!!



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 13, 2019, 09:25:36 AM


Maybe AC knew the season was lost anyway so continues to go with the big stiff.


Still no suggestions for better choices, just the stupid, stubborn insistence that somehow he should have gone with somebody else.

Kind of like you... your posts keep screwing up in content, but you keep insisting on writing them yourself, rather than finding somebody else to do it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2019, 12:03:26 PM
Its like asking what 2+2 is

I am not playing your idiotic game.

Please - try to bring more to your forum.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2019, 12:08:46 PM
Cora makes mound visit strictly to get thrown out

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ftw/2019/08/04/red-sox-yankees-chris-sale-alex-cora-ejected/39888519/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 13, 2019, 12:57:02 PM
Maybe some years shit happens and scapegoating the manager just results in watching him win pennants elsewhere.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2019, 11:24:49 PM
Cora!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2019, 11:25:10 PM
Cashner!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2019, 11:26:07 PM
Devers!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2019, 11:26:39 PM
and lets not forget

Lindor!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2019, 12:34:41 AM
Its like asking what 2+2 is

I am not playing your idiotic game.

Please - try to bring more to your forum.

Hah!

You have no answer and can't admit it. You're as bad as Ward.

So, you lash out at me because of your own incompetence. Pretty damned funny.

The answer, by the way, is Eovaldi.

And btw, it's not my forum and more than it's yours. You want "more?" YOU bring it! It would be nice for a change.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2019, 02:02:44 PM
Devers woke up hot.

he may have a future in this game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 14, 2019, 02:39:52 PM
Looks like Cora woke up with a fucking idea
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2019, 03:21:23 PM
two eggs over easy, side of bacon, whole wheat toast and coffee is always a good way to start the day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 14, 2019, 04:29:20 PM
Looks like Cora woke up with a fucking idea
What, to have Dever.go 6 for 6 with four doubles?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2019, 04:40:37 PM
Cora!

Cashner to the pen-genuis!!!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2019, 08:55:42 AM
Ahhhhhh-guh-Mets!

Braves have some pen problems

Solace in that I decided not to bet the game.  Mets had looked good at +132.

1st and 2nd, 0 out, down 2, Alonso, Ramos, Conforto coming up.

Fail.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on August 15, 2019, 12:24:17 PM
Quote
(CNN)A man died Tuesday night after participating in a taco eating competition at a minor league baseball game. The competition took place last night at Chukchansi Park in Fresno, California, during a game between the Fresno Grizzlies and Memphis Redbirds.

So, did he win the contest? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2019, 02:25:15 PM
Little League World Series once again has a black eye

The New England rep, from Rhode Island has been accused of stealing signs throughout the event.

Gentlemen - really?

https://www.espn.com/llws/story/_/id/27385397/manager-accuses-llws-team-stealing-signs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2019, 04:47:17 PM
Little League World Series once again has a black eye

The New England rep, from Rhode Island has been accused of stealing signs throughout the event.

Gentlemen - really?

https://www.espn.com/llws/story/_/id/27385397/manager-accuses-llws-team-stealing-signs

Truly is bad coaching. A good coach would teach his kids how to make subtler unnoticeable signs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 15, 2019, 04:54:22 PM
I stole.signs, where I could, during my LL coaching career. We would change ours in game if we thought the other side figured them out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 15, 2019, 08:07:16 PM
Jose Ramirez on track for a nine homer game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 15, 2019, 11:19:49 PM
Ahhhhhh-guh-Mets!

Braves have some pen problems

Solace in that I decided not to bet the game.  Mets had looked good at +132.

1st and 2nd, 0 out, down 2, Alonso, Ramos, Conforto coming up.

Fail.

Hey, how is your season going, since you decided to stop sharing it with us?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2019, 12:05:18 PM
Mets are hanging in

Cora blew up Sox year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 16, 2019, 01:58:19 PM
Mets are hanging in

Cora blew up Sox year

No, Kid, your betting year. Remember that? You just referred to it a few posts ago.

And you keep saying that about Cora, while providing no support. Oh, kind of like how Trumpo's done nothing to harm the country!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2019, 06:20:27 PM
I don't generally gamble on sports.

Won a bit on Liverpool's Champions League title at 12-1, then gave some back Wednesday when they won the Super Cup but in PKs (meaning I lost).

Sports betting atmosphere is cool, but insane.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 16, 2019, 06:48:37 PM
I don't generally gamble on sports.

You are such a tool.

Have a hard time answering a simple question. I presume you must be doing even worse than when you stopped posting your results and then even your bets.

Ahhhhhh-guh-Mets!

Braves have some pen problems

Solace in that I decided not to bet the game.  Mets had looked good at +132.

1st and 2nd, 0 out, down 2, Alonso, Ramos, Conforto coming up.

Fail.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2019, 09:15:38 PM
Well.....

I did answer

Not sure what your problem is

Last time I was truly active as a bettor was NFL season - and Steelers killed me.  Not taking that plunge this year but I do keep track of the numbers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 16, 2019, 09:29:11 PM
Well.....

I did answer

Not sure what your problem is

Last time I was truly active as a bettor was NFL season - and Steelers killed me.  Not taking that plunge this year but I do keep track of the numbers

Yeah, and Trump never settles a lawsuit, either.

Just give the lying a rest, Kid, would you?

-451.95 total for week.  About matching last 2 weeks earnings


-451.95
+58.82 (Phils)
+90.91 (Astros)
-300


-602.22
- total for week

System finishes 3-3 3rd straight day     and 20-14

84-55 total

Onward.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2019, 10:07:25 PM
I must say though - Mets pitching looks so good that 35-1 to win the NL is looking tasty
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 17, 2019, 01:52:08 PM
Maybe some years shit happens and scapegoating the manager just results in watching him win pennants elsewhere.

YEP.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 17, 2019, 01:53:30 PM
Little League World Series once again has a black eye

The New England rep, from Rhode Island has been accused of stealing signs throughout the event.

Gentlemen - really?

https://www.espn.com/llws/story/_/id/27385397/manager-accuses-llws-team-stealing-signs

Pat's sponsor that team?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 17, 2019, 01:55:51 PM
Call of the week. The Kruker says it all, as soon as he sees it.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/video/booths-reaction-bryce-harpers-walk-priceless (https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/video/booths-reaction-bryce-harpers-walk-priceless)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2019, 10:06:33 PM
The Sox are making it look as if they have life in them.

It's a great illusion.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2019, 10:39:01 PM
No faith in "Joey"?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2019, 09:34:52 AM
The Sox are making it look as if they have life in them.

It's a great illusion.


Yet we keep on watching...

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 11:14:29 AM
NL Wild Card
(38 left)

Nats
Cubs    1.5
--------------
Mets     3.5
Phils     3.5
Brewers   3.5

C'mon Phils - I had you in the Series!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 12:13:53 PM
Well.....

I did answer

Not sure what your problem is

Last time I was truly active as a bettor was NFL season - and Steelers killed me.  Not taking that plunge this year but I do keep track of the numbers

Yeah, and Trump never settles a lawsuit, either.

Just give the lying a rest, Kid, would you?

-451.95 total for week.  About matching last 2 weeks earnings


-451.95
+58.82 (Phils)
+90.91 (Astros)
-300


-602.22
- total for week

System finishes 3-3 3rd straight day     and 20-14

84-55 total

Onward.

You missed when I was CRUSHING NBA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2019, 02:41:53 PM
The Sox are making it look as if they have life in them.

It's a great illusion.


Yet we keep on watching...

I watch and go to games when they are solidly in last place, too. It is not about expectation of winning that keeps me going and watching, but about enjoying the games and cheering for my team even when they suck.

This year, they don't suck. They win more than they lose (though it is close at home) and they lose in entertaining ways, sometimes, as well as winning entertainingly.

But I am a baseball fan, not just a Sox fan, so I watch other teams' games, too. Even when they, too, have no chance of post season!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2019, 02:43:33 PM
Well.....

I did answer

Not sure what your problem is

Last time I was truly active as a bettor was NFL season - and Steelers killed me.  Not taking that plunge this year but I do keep track of the numbers

Yeah, and Trump never settles a lawsuit, either.

Just give the lying a rest, Kid, would you?

-451.95 total for week.  About matching last 2 weeks earnings


-451.95
+58.82 (Phils)
+90.91 (Astros)
-300


-602.22
- total for week

System finishes 3-3 3rd straight day     and 20-14

84-55 total

Onward.

You missed when I was CRUSHING NBA

I didn't see it, but I assure you that I did not miss it!

And thank you for illustrating my point.

So, at the risk of repeating myself, how has your (non-gambling) betting season been going with MLB?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 09:08:29 PM
You all wanted me to stop - so I did.

Do you see any posts after that early season stretch?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 09:09:00 PM
Like I said - Mets at 35-1 is tempting

Nice to see the good news on Sale
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 09:20:41 PM
Took a look back (see MLB Predictions)

My system finished 92-59
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2019, 10:26:42 PM
How much did you lose?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2019, 11:05:57 PM
You all wanted me to stop - so I did.

Do you see any posts after that early season stretch?

Nobody asked you to stop, Kid.

You've got problems.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2019, 11:07:21 PM
You all wanted me to stop - so I did.

Do you see any posts after that early season stretch?

http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=69.300

See anywhere there that somebody asked you to stop?

You stopped all on your own, way down in $$.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 11:25:31 PM
How much did you lose?

Probably a little with the system.  Or it could have been a small win.

Off the system I was losing pretty regularly, as documented but had some ok stretches.  If you recall, stud pitchers had a horrible April/May, generally speaking.  And that's a good chunk of what I was selecting

None of that stuff on MLB Predictions was real cash
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 19, 2019, 11:28:45 PM
You all wanted me to stop - so I did.

Do you see any posts after that early season stretch?

Nobody asked you to stop, Kid.

You've got problems.

No, thankfully I dont have that malady.   When I do bet I chalk up any losses to entertainment dollars ,  For instance the Super Cup.  Had a grand time - and we won the Cup.  Didnt let the dollar loss spoil my fun
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 20, 2019, 09:10:07 AM
NL Wild Card
(38 left)

Nats
Cubs    1.5
--------------
Mets     3.5
Phils     3.5
Brewers   3.5

C'mon Phils - I had you in the Series!

You should have bet on injuries. You would have cleaned up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 20, 2019, 09:12:49 AM
You all wanted me to stop - so I did.

Do you see any posts after that early season stretch?

Banks can't stop. Josh doesn't make him. Part of the cartel. Special privilege. Be careful. Even the most innocuous post can get you banned, but banks rolls unchecked. Must have pictures or something..

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2019, 10:19:48 AM
Troll

WTF are you babbling about?

Why do you insist on compounding your idiocy?

Or is this just another of your desperate cry for attention?


kid stopped posting his baseball picks not because anyone told him to, but  rather after losing about $2500 in a month, he stopped keeping track of his results, and then stopped making picks. 

Troll-go dry your tears  elsewhere.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 20, 2019, 11:29:53 AM
Troll

WTF are you babbling about?

Why do you insist on compounding your idiocy?

Or is this just another of your desperate cry for attention?


kid stopped posting his baseball picks not because anyone told him to, but  rather after losing about $2500 in a month, he stopped keeping track of his results, and then stopped making picks. 

Troll-go dry your tears  elsewhere.

Take it easy, banks. i'm one of your few allies on the Trump Forum. kid is a decent fellow, whom you and others never cut a break. i know this from bloom, if you remember him, from the old Mets Forum. He and kid met for beers, and I met Bloom and played golf, and he had nothing but fine things to say about kid. And bloom is a stand-up guy, so I take his word for it.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 20, 2019, 11:52:52 AM
Nice folks shouldn't act like jerks here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 20, 2019, 12:57:29 PM
7:30 PM ESPN

New Jersey vs Cheaters of Rhode Island
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2019, 01:41:36 PM
whats the money line?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 20, 2019, 01:50:36 PM
Nice folks shouldn't act like jerks here.

Maybe this is the only place they can. Take you, for example.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2019, 01:55:39 PM
whats the money line?

NJ a huge favorite at -1200

RI is +600

http://www.lasvegassportsbetting.com/2019-Little-League-Baseball-World-Series-Game-Odds_P35790.html (http://www.lasvegassportsbetting.com/2019-Little-League-Baseball-World-Series-Game-Odds_P35790.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 20, 2019, 02:02:11 PM
Nice folks shouldn't act like jerks here.

Maybe this is the only place they can. Take you, for example.
?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 20, 2019, 02:02:58 PM
whats the money line?

NJ a huge favorite at -1200

RI is +600

http://www.lasvegassportsbetting.com/2019-Little-League-Baseball-World-Series-Game-Odds_P35790.html (http://www.lasvegassportsbetting.com/2019-Little-League-Baseball-World-Series-Game-Odds_P35790.html)
What kind of person would bet on a Little League game?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2019, 02:24:32 PM
whats the money line?

NJ a huge favorite at -1200

RI is +600

http://www.lasvegassportsbetting.com/2019-Little-League-Baseball-World-Series-Game-Odds_P35790.html (http://www.lasvegassportsbetting.com/2019-Little-League-Baseball-World-Series-Game-Odds_P35790.html)
What kind of person would bet on a Little League game?

Betting on 12 YO kids playing a game is deranged.

I was listening to a guy on Francesa, I think he was the founder of Draft Kings, and he was talking about the trend of in-game betting, where you can bet on moving odds/lines and prop bets (will Mookie get a hit in this AB) as the future of sports betting.

I'm pretty sure the aim is to suck the middle class dry.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 20, 2019, 07:39:24 PM
CORA!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 20, 2019, 07:40:11 PM
"Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back..."

I liked the Phillies' manager when he played, not just for the Sox. I like him as a manager. If we can't get to the World Series, I hope he can.

He is fortunate that the WC competing teams' records are so much worse than in the AL!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 20, 2019, 08:23:59 PM
Mets only played the Twins - and won 3 of 4.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 20, 2019, 08:34:46 PM
Tied tonight with Cleveland

Overall 12-5 vs AL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 20, 2019, 08:55:42 PM
Great job by Mets management - adding Panik and keeping pitching intact
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 20, 2019, 09:21:06 PM
Wow

Jersey loses no hitter with one out left.

Risky move now, replacing pitcher so he can throw tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 20, 2019, 11:01:54 PM
"Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back..."

I liked the Phillies' manager when he played, not just for the Sox. I like him as a manager. If we can't get to the World Series, I hope he can.

He is fortunate that the WC competing teams' records are so much worse than in the AL!

It's a more competitive league.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 20, 2019, 11:02:21 PM
Bad 1st, bad 9th, game over.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 21, 2019, 12:42:52 AM
Tendi!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 08:11:31 AM
Bad 1st, bad 9th, game over.

Nola's curve ball, the ump's generous K zone, the Phils' defense, and Boegarts' base running "skill".

Although, he looked like he pulled a hammy on the double.

Let's go, Phils!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 21, 2019, 09:11:22 AM
Not a well coached ballclub at the moment

But JOEY has his ring.  We are forever grateful

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 21, 2019, 07:13:23 PM
https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/20/red-sox-notes-brian-johnson-takes-rotation-spot-of-chris-sale/

Oh, thank God for Johnson

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 07:45:53 PM
Turned on the game and it's Being aSick Kid to the Booth Night.

Weak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 21, 2019, 08:43:16 PM
Turned on the game and it's Being aSick Kid to the Booth Night.

Weak.

Troll.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 21, 2019, 09:13:16 PM
Just saw funniest play of year

Bases loaded, 1 out, short fly ball to left

Throw home was THIRTY FIVE feet wide of the mark.

Willie Calhoun, you rock.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 21, 2019, 09:54:40 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/21/sport/major-league-baseball-sex-pills-memo/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 09:56:59 PM
Turned on the game and it's Being aSick Kid to the Booth Night.

Weak.

Troll.

Lemming.

Worse, someone needs to tell that old dude in the box it's Harper, not Hopper, and Kapler, not Keppler. Geez, you guys have to listen to that time and again?

Horrible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 21, 2019, 10:13:38 PM
"Sick kid in the booth night" started last night, andf its been a NESN fund-raiser for the Jimmy Fund for a long time.

And the Jimmy Fund has been a chariity associated with the Sox for about 60 years and it has helped lots of kids deal with cancer.

So far the '19 NESN telethon has raised over $3 million for cancer research.

Clealry its something that should be mocked.

Unfortunately its hekpless for the sickness which afflicts the '19 Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 10:22:32 PM
Santana!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 10:34:22 PM
Sloppy Hand job for Indians. Game should've ended, instead it's tied with a loss a real possibility.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 10:39:03 PM
Indians blow the game!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 10:41:37 PM
A walk, a ball, and a hit for Cory's second rbi. It helps.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 21, 2019, 10:52:58 PM
Sweep at Fenway. Nice. But nicer if Boston actually came to play. Looks like they've given up the season, already.

Lots Phillies fans in those stands. Looked like CBP.

Bring on the Fish.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 21, 2019, 11:17:13 PM
Its OK - they are giving Brian Johnson a bigger role - all will be fine
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 22, 2019, 09:44:26 AM
Buehler out after 91 pitches (and with shutout stuff).  Kenley blows another save

Roberts gotta get his shit together for the postseason.

(Yes, LA won anyway - but hardly the point.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2019, 01:22:35 PM
Brock Holt!

Best game of the year

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 22, 2019, 03:16:23 PM
Brock Holt!

Best game of the year

I tuned in too late and missed it.

But the price was right!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2019, 05:36:11 PM
According to this article, the vibe was so good at Fenway, they may try something like it again.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/22/red-sox-considering-a-regular-open-house-day-with-free-entry-for-kids/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/22/red-sox-considering-a-regular-open-house-day-with-free-entry-for-kids/)

The game still counted in the standings, but the environment at the century-old ballpark on Thursday afternoon was unlike anything the Red Sox have seen before.

With dollar hot dogs, largely-reduced food prices and free tickets for children while adults could gain entry with just a $5 donation to the Jimmy Fund, Fenway Park was filled with people who might not otherwise get a chance to watch the most expensive team in baseball at one of the most expensive venues.

“It was one of the coolest atmospheres that we’ve had here,” said Brock Holt, who hit a walkoff single 12 minutes into the suspended game to capture a 5-4 win over the Royals. “Just how many people showed up and how excited they were. The music was loud pregame and everyone was dancing and seemed to be into the game.”

Watching all the children fill the park was such a success on Thursday that Red Sox president Sam Kennedy was feeling confident the club could one day soon introduce an “open house day,” when kids enter free for select games on a regular basis.

“Could we have an open house day, where we put aside 10,000 to 15,000 tickets just for kids on an ongoing basis free of charge? The obvious answer is yes,” Kennedy said. “There’s a market for that. We need to challenge ourselves to see if that could be a possibility. We’ve talked about that. On lower demand games you might have an opportunity to do that. It really is an investment in the future.”

GREAT IDEA.

That would be a wonderful idea, as so many kids are probably priced out of the Fenway experience and only see them on TV. A Thursday afternoon get-away game a few times a year, as a lossleader to build the fan base for the future is smart business.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 22, 2019, 05:47:54 PM
I think most, if not all, of the Orioles games allow kids 9 and under free admission.

Their attendance has been terrible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 22, 2019, 06:23:04 PM
I think most, if not all, of the Orioles games allow kids 9 and under free admission.

Their attendance has been terrible.

They might try 2-for-1s on beer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 22, 2019, 07:24:49 PM
I think most, if not all, of the Orioles games allow kids 9 and under free admission.

Their attendance has been terrible.

They might try 2-for-1s on beer
10 Cent Beer Nights tend to go well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 22, 2019, 10:26:05 PM
cmon ump wash this sweeeeeeeep game out already
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2019, 11:01:24 PM
It looks like Spy v Spy baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 24, 2019, 08:04:53 PM
Some real chess matches going on out there
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: HamiltonIII on August 26, 2019, 08:52:04 PM
LMFAO!!!

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/08/padres-red-sox-petco-park-rickroll-sweet-caroline-prank-video-mlb (https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/08/padres-red-sox-petco-park-rickroll-sweet-caroline-prank-video-mlb)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 28, 2019, 03:04:15 AM
A nice game tonight in Denver, even if the bullpen showed uncharacteristic sloppiness at the end.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 28, 2019, 09:49:54 AM
Cant catch the A's

Cora bollocksed it up good this year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 28, 2019, 03:03:16 PM
According to this article, the vibe was so good at Fenway, they may try something like it again.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/22/red-sox-considering-a-regular-open-house-day-with-free-entry-for-kids/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/08/22/red-sox-considering-a-regular-open-house-day-with-free-entry-for-kids/)

The game still counted in the standings, but the environment at the century-old ballpark on Thursday afternoon was unlike anything the Red Sox have seen before.

With dollar hot dogs, largely-reduced food prices and free tickets for children while adults could gain entry with just a $5 donation to the Jimmy Fund, Fenway Park was filled with people who might not otherwise get a chance to watch the most expensive team in baseball at one of the most expensive venues.

“It was one of the coolest atmospheres that we’ve had here,” said Brock Holt, who hit a walkoff single 12 minutes into the suspended game to capture a 5-4 win over the Royals. “Just how many people showed up and how excited they were. The music was loud pregame and everyone was dancing and seemed to be into the game.”

Watching all the children fill the park was such a success on Thursday that Red Sox president Sam Kennedy was feeling confident the club could one day soon introduce an “open house day,” when kids enter free for select games on a regular basis.

“Could we have an open house day, where we put aside 10,000 to 15,000 tickets just for kids on an ongoing basis free of charge? The obvious answer is yes,” Kennedy said. “There’s a market for that. We need to challenge ourselves to see if that could be a possibility. We’ve talked about that. On lower demand games you might have an opportunity to do that. It really is an investment in the future.”

GREAT IDEA.

That would be a wonderful idea, as so many kids are probably priced out of the Fenway experience and only see them on TV. A Thursday afternoon get-away game a few times a year, as a lossleader to build the fan base for the future is smart business.


Sounds good. I'd like to see more of it. With the big money teams leading the way.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 28, 2019, 04:27:59 PM
Cant catch the A's

Cora bollocksed it up good this year

You keep saying that, but providing no examples of how.

So surprising!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2019, 01:03:58 AM
Cora ruined another one tonight.

Mind you, it is easier to sweep a team when you're only playing two!

Yet another day off tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 08:53:28 AM
3 games under Pythagorean record

Cash (TB) is a game over

Boone (NYY) is SIX over.

Melvin (A's) even, as is Francona (CLE).

Just JOEY under the line.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2019, 12:13:11 PM
pathetic indecent sad troll

once again he mocks children victimized by sexual predators because he's not man enough to hold his own in a civil discussion/debate on most any topic, and most posters now ignore his pathetic indecent ramblings

and for the record this is the 4th time in Elba's short history that hamilton/utley/piggy/whatever has announced what appears to be a self-imposed his exile and taken an indecent and wholly false shot at me.

Adios you indecent shit-stained pervert.

that is until you come crawling back in your next malignant iteration.

And the mutant troll will start his cycle of filth again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 12:28:44 PM
Cora ruined another one tonight.

Mind you, it is easier to sweep a team when you're only playing two!

Yet another day off tomorrow.

Betts not playing well.  Tendi's been off all year.  Pitchers too timid.

Joey has to be better at putting the troops in proper state of mind.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2019, 12:43:37 PM
90% of the Sox problem this years is pitching.

Betts (now) has a 5 WAR and still one of the best all-around players in the game. Comping him to last year is almost unfair. He had a historically great year in '18.

Tendi has had on ok year, could use more power, and i suspect it will come, but offense is not the sox problem.

They started the year with no closer or set-up guy, and we know the risk, but the assumption was starting pitching was going to be a big advantage and it should have been with the starting 5.

But Sale/Price have been hurt and been inconsistent, Porcello has sucked, and Evo just off the IL and has been a non-factor, and only eddie has exceeded expecations, but he has been a big beneficiary of run support.

If Sale/Price had pitched anywhere near close to expectations (each ~ 17+ wins with 3.00/3.30 ERAs)  the Sox would have been a lock for the post-season.

I don't blame Cora for Sale/Price.

I blame DD for the BP.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 29, 2019, 01:05:08 PM
Joey has to be better at putting the troops in proper state of mind.

Come on guys! Do better!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 01:39:39 PM
Yeah, I kmow, YG -

manager means very little to win total

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 29, 2019, 01:42:29 PM
So Cora was a genius last year, I guess.  I missed those posts of yours. 

HEH.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 01:44:10 PM
"Offense is not the problem"

In 34 of Sox losses they scored 3 runs or less.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2019, 02:04:13 PM
and as expected the indecent troll's cycle of lies begin again

troll you really are an indecent piece of shit with nothing of value to add.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2019, 02:15:06 PM
lotta day baseball today with Tribe, A's and Rays all playing now.

maybe the sox can pick-up 1/2 game on somebody.

best bet the Astros
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 05:44:02 PM
8-7 Rays

But Gurriel hits in the ninth....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2019, 06:43:19 PM
0-fer-3 on outside help today

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2019, 08:11:16 PM
3 games under Pythagorean record

Cash (TB) is a game over

Boone (NYY) is SIX over.

Melvin (A's) even, as is Francona (CLE).

Just JOEY under the line.

Which Cora caused how, exactly?

Still waiting to learn your secret method for apportioning blame, Kid!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2019, 08:27:06 PM
I have attempted to impose a ban on the poster known as HamiltonIII.

As we all know, sometimes people can work around the bans because I cannot broadly ban many a given IP address without impacting others among you. I have attempted to address that, as well, but we will see whether that effort is successful.

If you see a new post from somebody that you are pretty sure is him, flag it and I will take a look as soon as I can.

Regretfully,

Josh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 29, 2019, 08:43:02 PM
Booooooooooo....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2019, 03:10:12 AM
A long night in Anaheim.

Tonight, JD giveth and JD taketh away.

So, they pinch-run for him and the pinch-runner gets picked off.

Naturally.

ETA: 7-6, Sox, in 15 innings.

phew! Sleep now. Or at least some reading before sleep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2019, 09:01:26 AM
I bailed after the 9th, posiitive I would wake up to read the Sox lost 8-7.

nice surprise.

I know JBJ needs a night-off and this is pure 2nd guess, but he couildn't play the 9th, and shift Mook to righ?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 31, 2019, 01:16:28 PM
I think the Tribe has hit the wall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on August 31, 2019, 03:01:48 PM
I have attempted to impose a ban on the poster known as HamiltonIII.

As we all know, sometimes people can work around the bans because I cannot broadly ban many a given IP address without impacting others among you. I have attempted to address that, as well, but we will see whether that effort is successful.

If you see a new post from somebody that you are pretty sure is him, flag it and I will take a look as soon as I can.

Regretfully,

Josh

Good!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2019, 10:11:45 PM

Yes, the baseballs are different.

https://publicengagement.umich.edu/whats-really-behind-baseballs-home-run-surge/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2019, 12:20:01 AM
Boooooo!

And that was before the floodgates opened. Oh, well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2019, 09:37:31 AM
That kinda sucked.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2019, 08:06:19 PM
This team is going to age me.

Helluva win for the Ys.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 01, 2019, 08:20:07 PM
Very strange season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 03, 2019, 10:28:15 PM
Nats and Mets just played the most incredible game ever.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 03, 2019, 11:41:11 PM
Nats and Mets just played the most incredible game ever.

Ok. I will go find it to watch!

Thanks!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 04, 2019, 08:39:20 AM
Dodger Stadium to undergo $100-million renovation this off season

https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2019-07-22/dodger-stadium-outfield-renovation

Video with Vin Scully narrating...

https://youtu.be/VgmEg--a32Y

-------

A winning team needs a winning ballpark.

Go Dodgers!

Salute,

Tony V.

Winning has been the PROBLEM, T Man.,

Can they break through?

BUEHLER is the key.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 04, 2019, 10:10:09 AM
Sad to say - adding Mike Tauchman has wrecked my season.

Have one move left, so I can dump him for the last three weeks, but I may need to add an arm instead. 

Tauch had a good run for a while - and has added one SB for me (if it was 3 I'd be satisfied) but the bat has dried up completely

Francessa was right......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 04, 2019, 10:13:56 AM
Better recent adds -

Tommy Edman, Max Fried (in June) , Chris Martin and Kolby Allard
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2019, 10:13:39 PM
Damn

that game sums up the Sox 2019
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2019, 10:33:15 PM
Damn

that game sums up the Sox 2019

Wave-em-in Wendell says hi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2019, 12:09:29 AM
Joey!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2019, 11:04:15 AM
Oakland is the real nemesis this year.  They just find ways to win - constantly.

And with the METS (second, third, twelfth choice, whatever) managerial snub, no less.

Just a solid group of guys - believing they can win.  No prima donnas.

Hoping M Harvey gets a look this month.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 06, 2019, 11:07:06 AM
Agreed. I think Oakland is tremendous. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
How cool is it Beane turned down all that cash from Sox?

Deserves a title.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2019, 10:26:03 PM
Nice game vs. the Bombers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2019, 11:16:20 PM
yep

a's, rays winning

too late for joey
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2019, 12:11:23 AM
Don't let us win tonight!

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 07, 2019, 07:42:59 PM
No. Fuck those jerseys.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 07, 2019, 07:55:06 PM
Or fuck the starting pitching of the Sox.

I look forward to the deep analysis from Kid explaining how "Joey" screwed this game up, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2019, 08:05:29 PM
Sox don't have starters, they have openers.

We knew we didn;t have a BP, but what started as a supposed strength and arguably one of the best rotations in baseball, Sale, Price, Porcello, Evo, Eddie, has turned into a guessing game of who's pitching today.

Sale, Price and a tub of ice?

2nd guess: Joey could have kept JD out of the field, but that fucking sun apparently was Pinella brutal and led to the 4 runs.

He could have played him in left and let Mookie field the sun field.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 07, 2019, 08:40:11 PM
Or fuck the starting pitching of the Sox.

I look forward to the deep analysis from Kid explaining how "Joey" screwed this game up, too.

We lost again?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 08, 2019, 08:06:27 PM
Here come the  METS    Phillies.

2 back of Cubbies
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 08, 2019, 08:36:06 PM
Heh

Porcello.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 09, 2019, 12:13:40 AM
Joey!

heh

In a midnight purge Sox fire Dombrowski.

Thank God.

I do not want this guy anywhere near restructuring the next iteration of the Sox.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2019, 08:54:42 AM
"Like I sad - I love it here but this is definitely a business"

Just remains to be seen how big a haul we get for Betts.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/09/09/red-sox-fire-dave-dombrowski-early-monday-morning/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 09, 2019, 01:38:10 PM
Mad Dog:  "This is about personalities.  You dont fire a guy 6 months (?) after winning a World Series."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 09, 2019, 03:04:17 PM
Mad Dog:  "This is about personalities.  You dont fire a guy 6 months (?) after winning a World Series."

I was surprised he was fired, even as I was aghast at some of his decisions.

I have to think there was more going on than meets the eye.

Or, at least, I hope so!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2019, 09:38:16 AM
Cash and Rays win 11 of 12 for first time in team history.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 11, 2019, 03:48:36 PM
Loss column look - final WC

National

Cubs     67
Brewers     68
Phils    69
Mets      70


American

Oakland    60
Cleveland    61
Boston              heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 11, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
What baseball books of fiction have you really enjoyed? Could be when you were a kid. Could be recent.

What such books did you dislike a lot?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 12, 2019, 04:42:21 PM
I have attempted to impose a ban on the poster known as HamiltonIII.

As we all know, sometimes people can work around the bans because I cannot broadly ban many a given IP address without impacting others among you. I have attempted to address that, as well, but we will see whether that effort is successful.

If you see a new post from somebody that you are pretty sure is him, flag it and I will take a look as soon as I can.

Regretfully,

Josh


I'm not in favor of banning. But I'm not in charge around here I just post.

Hammy however I will not defend at any time anywhere.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on September 12, 2019, 04:44:22 PM
This team is going to age me.

Helluva win for the Ys.


The Sox overall stats are not all that bad. They could easily have a dozen or more wins with the stats they have. Just a weird bad season for them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2019, 04:58:05 PM
This team is going to age me.

Helluva win for the Ys.


The Sox overall stats are not all that bad. They could easily have a dozen or more wins with the stats they have. Just a weird bad season for them.

The Sox offensive stats are ok, they can hit, but their pitching #s fell off a cliff. ERA declined almost 1-run from 3.7 to 4.6, reflecting both a shitty back-end of the BP, and the relative ineffectiveness (for various reasons) of 4 of their 5 starters (everyone except #5 ERod). i thought their SP was going to be a real strength this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2019, 05:16:28 PM
Shows why Price was team MVP

Fell apart when he isn't whole
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2019, 05:21:57 PM
Shows why Price was team MVP

Fell apart when he isn't whole

They might have been ok, (made the post-season) with one of Sale or Price pitching as expected, but having both of them suck/no-show along with Porcello's suckage,

no chance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 12, 2019, 07:00:42 PM
They will ride Sale while missing Price.  Will definitely pay for a closer.. But may not be pretty for a while.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2019, 08:58:41 PM
They will ride Sale while missing Price.  Will definitely pay for a closer.. But may not be pretty for a while.

Where's Price going?

I'm more concerned with Sale than Price, But hopefully both will contribute next year.

IMO the doomsayers are overstating how dire the situation is.  They're pretty stacked with young good position players, even if some trades shake things up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 12, 2019, 11:07:15 PM
I have attempted to impose a ban on the poster known as HamiltonIII.

As we all know, sometimes people can work around the bans because I cannot broadly ban many a given IP address without impacting others among you. I have attempted to address that, as well, but we will see whether that effort is successful.

If you see a new post from somebody that you are pretty sure is him, flag it and I will take a look as soon as I can.

Regretfully,

Josh


I'm not in favor of banning. But I'm not in charge around here I just post.

Hammy however I will not defend at any time anywhere.

I'm not in favor, either.

It was a long time coming. Multiple warnings by Liq in the past. Warnings  by me. Short suspension not long ago.

I miss some of his posts - he was not without redeeming features, but eventually he proved he could not stop.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 12, 2019, 11:22:39 PM
He was an insecure indecent piece of shit who was incapable of controlling his darker anti-social impulses.

He brought the ban upon himself, in fact in his final post here, as a practical matter, he invited it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 13, 2019, 10:18:13 PM
Good forum of late...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 13, 2019, 10:20:24 PM
Ok... so Mets facing LAD in a key series, hoping to take 2 of 3 and lose just one game max on MIL, CHI this weekend

So Alonso SITS

And Calloway leaves lefty in to face lefty killer Taylor, already down 3 runs.

Of course we will rally late (loaded bases just after that).....but to no positive end.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2019, 09:59:33 AM
Joey!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2019, 10:29:32 AM
Sox have been playing out the string for months,

and poorly.

Just took a look at Phillies schedule, brutal,

going to be hard to make up ground playing Sox/Tribe/Braves/Nats and with the Braves (3) Tribe (3) Nats (5) all on the road.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 07:54:48 PM
Looks like Mookie out for the year. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2019, 08:12:07 PM
is that what your sources are teling you?

As the season's over there's no need to rush him back, but I read Cora hopes to play him this week, after seeing the Dr.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 15, 2019, 08:27:37 PM
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/09/mookie-betts-injury-boston-red-sox-star-likely-to-visit-doctors-in-boston-on-monday-still-could-play-tuesday.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 10:00:05 PM
is that what your sources are teling you?

As the season's over there's no need to rush him back, but I read Cora hopes to play him this week, after seeing the Dr.

I dont have Red Sox sources
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 10:03:07 PM
Gyorko beats Lugo - you have to be kidding me
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 10:07:03 PM
Sit the fuck down, Muncy.  Let's fucking GO!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 15, 2019, 10:28:05 PM
UGH.  4 back.  Team in between.

Need a 6-0 week.  At Colorado, at Cincy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2019, 01:05:55 PM
https://twitter.com/NNloading/status/1173099865825566720
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2019, 01:10:09 PM
I suspect alcohol was involved.

Speaking of which, I was in a bar playing Pub Trivia (nerd alert!!) a couple of weeks ago when an old-fashioned barroom brawl broke out.  Glasses smashed, chairs broken.  Scarier now than when I was younger. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2019, 03:58:03 PM
Some guy insisting "the Moops" invaded 8th century Spain never ends well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 16, 2019, 04:03:15 PM
Heh....The bubble boy was a miserable SOB
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 16, 2019, 06:36:35 PM
Speaking of Seinfeld episodes - horrible use by Costas last night on LA-NYM telecast

"The JERK STORE called and they are all out of you" - after Jed Gyorko drives i the tiebreaking and eventual winning run.

The offered apology from Bob didnt cut it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2019, 07:12:03 PM
Cmon, Mets - dont fold like Joey's Boys
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 17, 2019, 11:51:14 PM
Thank you, Brody Van Wags - for Marcus Stroman.

Into Coors like a BOSS!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 11:39:19 AM
And thank you, Rockies bullpen......

Mets again 3 back.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 19, 2019, 09:18:58 PM


https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/19/sport/domingo-german-yankees-mlb-trnd/index.html

German is on administrative leave for domestic violence. If it's only the weeklong minimum, they'll be fine, but...


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 19, 2019, 09:55:33 PM
Good win, Joey.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2019, 09:31:05 AM
Seems the Sox lost their defense of the AL East.

Congrats Y-fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 20, 2019, 09:52:04 AM
Thanks. They couldn't have done it without me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 20, 2019, 11:55:35 AM
First division title in SEVEN YEARS

Can they win their first pennant in TEN?

Tough sledding.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 20, 2019, 02:52:31 PM
I think they'll have to figure out a way to score runs without hitting HRS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 20, 2019, 03:52:02 PM
Nah

Just enough homers and better pitching

Paxton has become a monster.  They should use him as their ace.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 20, 2019, 04:08:55 PM
I agree on Paxton. But even so I don't see how they pitch better than Houston unless they get deep into their bullpen and I don't see them scoring enough to do that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 20, 2019, 04:38:40 PM
I think Yanks have good enough arms - if they show up.

And of course with such an offense no opposing pitcher is infallible on a given day.

I still have Yanks winning it all.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 20, 2019, 05:09:11 PM
Bottom 7 for Cubs - down a run

2 on, none out

NO BUNT

Short fly to center

Followed by deep fly to center

Joe sleeps, Chicago weeps
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 20, 2019, 07:56:32 PM
Bottom 7 for Cubs - down a run

2 on, none out

NO BUNT

Short fly to center

Followed by deep fly to center

Joe sleeps, Chicago weeps

Probably Cora's fault.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 21, 2019, 10:26:18 PM
The long ball giveth and the long ball taketh away.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 23, 2019, 04:22:01 PM
Recently the Mets fans mantra was "play meaningful games in September" - and this has also been a negative cry vs management when that goal is not met.

Happy that "play meaningful games the final week" is in full swing under the new management team.

Hoping WC standings in NL read after today:

MLW
WAS
NYM     -4
CHC   -4
PHI     -5

- Phils likely need all 5 vs WAS (play one double dip).  Mets all 4 vs MIA
- not counting on MLW sliding at all




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 24, 2019, 11:11:03 PM
God but I have missed Jose Ramirez.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 25, 2019, 01:11:42 AM
Boy is Erod making it challenging for the Sox to help him to 20 wins!

But they managed his 19th tonight, at least.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2019, 11:25:43 AM
Recently the Mets fans mantra was "play meaningful games in September" - and this has also been a negative cry vs management when that goal is not met.

Happy that "play meaningful games the final week" is in full swing under the new management team.

Hoping WC standings in NL read after today:

MLW
WAS
NYM     -4
CHC   -4
PHI     -5

- Phils likely need all 5 vs WAS (play one double dip).  Mets all 4 vs MIA
- not counting on MLW sliding at all



-   click     -
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 25, 2019, 07:23:10 PM
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/aaron-judge-reduces-child-to-tears
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 26, 2019, 01:53:38 AM
How many teams have hit new franchise record numbers of homers this season? I know it's at least 4. Okay, I underestimated!

The Sox got to their new record tonight.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/half-of-mlb-teams-likely-will-set-single-season-franchise-home-run-records-in-2019/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 26, 2019, 10:01:51 AM
And Mookie is playing tomorrow - yay

I guess he wants his 30 HR and 100 BB
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 26, 2019, 10:49:53 AM
And Mookie is playing tomorrow - yay

I guess he wants his 30 HR and 100 BB

Certainly couldn't be that he wants to play or wants to earn his money by doing his job.

Your psychology degree is going to waste here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 28, 2019, 03:59:26 AM
Ah, fuck it. I have better things to do with my October.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 28, 2019, 05:10:50 PM
Ah, fuck it. I have better things to do with my October.

I know how you feel.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 29, 2019, 08:27:39 PM
that was some catch in the bottom of the 8th.

shame the BP couldn't hold the lead for Eddie's 20th.

weird year, no real juice, as it never really felt the Sox were ever in contention


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2019, 12:20:11 PM
Unearned run vs Barnes

Joey wins 84!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 30, 2019, 12:22:14 PM
Who's Joey?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 30, 2019, 12:41:44 PM
kid's just upset his 16-team parley didn't come through. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2019, 03:44:04 PM
6-8

ouch
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 30, 2019, 03:45:26 PM
Postseason picks upon us

I still have my preseason Yankees WS pick alive, though the Phils as the opponent didnt come through

https://www.mlb.com/postseason
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 30, 2019, 04:22:03 PM
Postseason picks upon us

I still have my preseason Yankees WS pick alive, though the Phils as the opponent didnt come through

https://www.mlb.com/postseason
I will take "Who Cares" to win it all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 30, 2019, 06:07:07 PM
Wild Card polls are up in each league.

Baseball league, for the clueless and pedantic among us.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 01, 2019, 12:52:05 PM
Love Scherzer but I think Brewers take it.  Strasburg should be getting the ball.  Hader the key for MIL, who may use Woodruff just 4 innings.  Hiura likely plays an offensive role.

4-3 Milwaukee
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 01, 2019, 01:45:31 PM
Wild Card polls are up in each league.

Baseball league, for the clueless and pedantic among us.
I was going to ask for a "Who Cares?" option for the poll, but realized that asking for the option is really a contradiction in terms.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2019, 01:58:07 PM
Wild Card polls are up in each league.

Baseball league, for the clueless and pedantic among us.
I was going to ask for a "Who Cares?" option for the poll, but realized that asking for the option is really a contradiction in terms.

I do love your humor.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2019, 03:32:59 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2855629-it-was-a-confusion-the-shooting-of-david-ortiz?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 01, 2019, 08:51:53 PM
Speaking of who cares...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2019, 10:49:21 PM
Speaking of who cares...

The anti-Ortiz folks would.

Ham would have had he been here, but I suspect that other than for Boston fans, he wouldn't have either.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2019, 10:50:27 PM
Love Scherzer but I think Brewers take it.  Strasburg should be getting the ball.  Hader the key for MIL, who may use Woodruff just 4 innings.  Hiura likely plays an offensive role.

4-3 Milwaukee
!

Your pic is doing pretty well, so far.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2019, 11:06:23 PM
Love Scherzer but I think Brewers take it.  Strasburg should be getting the ball.  Hader the key for MIL, who may use Woodruff just 4 innings.  Hiura likely plays an offensive role.

4-3 Milwaukee

And he was.

4-3 Washington
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2019, 11:08:50 PM
3 of us picked Washington. Kid picked Milwaukee and lost.

Time for the next one!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2019, 11:19:59 PM
ouch

nut-punch losss for Brewers


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2019, 09:16:31 AM
Nightmare

Least likable player in baseball struts... if for a day

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2019, 09:20:11 AM
Tonight -

Morton (Rays) over Manaea/Fiers (A's)

Rays 3, A's 2
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2019, 09:28:11 AM
Postseason picks upon us

I still have my preseason Yankees WS pick alive, though the Phils as the opponent didnt come through

https://www.mlb.com/postseason

My complete bracket:


Astros in THREE over Rays
Yankees in FOUR over Twins

Dodgers in THREE over Brewers (Nats)
Cards in FIVE over Braves

Yankees in SEVEN over Astros
Dodgers in SIX over Cards

Yankees in SIX over Dodgers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2019, 09:05:03 PM
Tonight -

Morton (Rays) over Manaea/Fiers (A's)

Rays 3, A's 2

Your pick seems to be doing well tonight, Kid. Better than you expected.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2019, 11:33:19 PM
Congratulations to Tampa Bay! Not a close game.

4 of us had it wrong. Kid had it right.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2019, 08:35:40 AM
Holy Nick Anderson!!

As usual, postseason a time for new studs to step up.  (Diaz as well)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 03, 2019, 08:38:18 AM
So Yandy Diaz had played ONE game since July 22

Cash goes to him Sunday and says, "You're leading off Wednesday"

2-homer night

Incredible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2019, 09:14:19 PM
7 men came to bat in the bottom of the first for the Dodgers.

ONE put the ball in play.

That is not what we call exciting baseball.



Conversely, the 9th inning in the Cardinals vs. Braves had bunches of balls put in play and was quite exciting!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 04, 2019, 12:08:55 AM
7 men came to bat in the bottom of the first for the Dodgers.

ONE put the ball in play.

That is not what we call exciting baseball.



Conversely, the 9th inning in the Cardinals vs. Braves had bunches of balls put in play and was quite exciting!

That 4 walk first inning provided all the runs they needed, but they got more, anyway.

The advantage of not having to be in the play-in round showed up tonight, though given the lack of hitting from the Nats, even Stras or Sherzer might not have been enough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 04, 2019, 10:09:55 PM
Twins break HR record

Yanks seem offended - bring out the firepower.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 04, 2019, 10:17:20 PM
Britton, who Yankees really didnt need, looking good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 05, 2019, 12:13:10 AM
Yawn.

Why don't you get back to not gambling shithead?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2019, 02:12:46 AM
I enjoyed the Nats-Dodgers game quite a bit. Good tension down to the last pitch.

I don't expect Washington to win this series, but I would love if it they did!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2019, 07:30:35 AM
Strasburg the ACE!

Would be fitting if they won a WORLD SERIES with him after all the crap they took.

Max took to his set up role pretty nicely, I'd say (3 K)

Soe-toe oh-fer four.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2019, 06:37:51 PM
Not looking good for the Twinkies. 8-0 in the third?! Ouch!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2019, 07:00:08 PM
Twins starter truly a unicorn...




(Played for Utica Unicorns of the United Shore League)


Good Lord, Baldelli
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2019, 12:57:26 AM
Wow, what a finish to the TB-Houston game! TB had chances galore in the 9th, but could not get enough runs in after their relief staff gave up two insurance runs to the Astros.

I think that Houston won't be trying their closer in a 4 out save again, though.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2019, 11:29:28 AM
I dont know, man........

McCann up 2 out tying run on third, best reliever Martinez on hill, one out from a 2-1 lead at home......

and you intentionally walk the guy?

Brian McCann?

Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 07, 2019, 01:05:36 PM
I enjoyed the Nats-Dodgers game quite a bit. Good tension down to the last pitch.

I don't expect Washington to win this series, but I would love if it they did!

So would I. As an old time Yankee fan I can still remember the Yank/Dodgers rivalry as expressed by my late father. he disliked them far more than he did the Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 07, 2019, 01:19:05 PM
It's embarrassing that a team that seems to have everything the Nationals have has to dry to make do with such a terrible bullpen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2019, 02:14:57 PM
The loss had nothing to do with the bullpen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 07, 2019, 02:20:20 PM
If you say so.  But, for the record, I didn't say it did. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2019, 02:23:29 PM
Rays up 4-1 on Zack

Hang in there, Ji Mans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2019, 12:26:47 AM
Not looking good for the Twinkies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2019, 01:42:44 PM
Big game for Stros.  Already lose Verlander for Game 1 v Yanks.  Need to keep Cole, Greinke from being necessary in a game 5.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2019, 11:49:20 PM
Big game for Stros.  Already lose Verlander for Game 1 v Yanks.  Need to keep Cole, Greinke from being necessary in a game 5.

Game 5 coming up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2019, 08:08:16 AM
3 classic pitching duels for Game 5s

Flaherty  v  Foltynewicz

Strasburg  v  Buehler

Glasnow  v  Cole

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 09, 2019, 02:17:12 PM
https://youtu.be/YWl6TLvlFEk

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2019, 05:37:12 PM
Well..............Cards lookin good to go through

Need Buehler tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2019, 05:38:32 PM
Braves fans should shelve the chop and start the rain dance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2019, 11:34:55 PM
Braves fans should shelve the chop and start the rain dance.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/us/atlanta-braves-tomahawk-trnd/index.html

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There were some changes during the Atlanta Braves game Wednesday after the team announced it is taking steps to "reduce" the Tomahawk Chop, an arm movement done by fans to cheer on the team.

It comes after St. Louis Cardinals' rookie Ryan Helsley, who is a member of the Cherokee Nation, called the chop disrespectful.
...
"Out of respect for the concerns expressed by Mr. Helsley, we will take several efforts to reduce the Tomahawk Chop during our in-ballpark presentation today," a spokesperson for the Atlanta Braves told CNN.

"Among other things, these steps include not distributing foam tomahawks to each seat and not playing the accompanying music or using Chop-related graphics when Mr. Helsley is in the game."

Helsley expressed his concerns after Game 2 of the National League Division Series on Friday.

"I think it's a misrepresentation of the Cherokee people or Native Americans in general," Helsley told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. "It's not me being offended by the whole mascot thing. It's not. It's about the misconception of us, the Native Americans, and it devalues us and how we're perceived in that way, or used as mascots."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2019, 11:43:18 PM
Well..............Cards lookin good to go through

Need Buehler tonight.

Gave them  what LA needed

Nats come back (to back) vs Kershaw

Interesting - Maeda then mowed down WAS three straight - if LA scores, I am not going to Jansen right away at 4-3 after 8.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2019, 11:45:43 PM
Kershaw-The legend grows.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2019, 12:04:01 AM
ahhhhhh...the cast-aside Joe Kelly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2019, 12:25:20 AM
ahhhhhh...the cast-aside Joe Kelly.

That's the Joe Kelly I remember!

Poor Dodgers. Go Nats!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 12:28:42 AM
Sox got the good Joe Kelly last year.

Leaving him in for 2 innings may be fireable.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2019, 12:33:56 AM
Agreed.  I was shocked.

Who was it - Showaler - that lost a series with his closer docked?

Similar here. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2019, 12:42:09 AM
Get to see punkass Soto at least 4 more games,  Joy!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 12:50:29 AM
Agreed.  I was shocked.

Who was it - Showaler - that lost a series with his closer docked?

Similar here.

Grady Little says hi.

not exact but similar.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2019, 12:50:59 AM
Congrats Nats fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2019, 08:27:03 AM
38 years........

would be interesting if they win it Year One post Bryce
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2019, 08:51:58 AM
What's also interesting is that you told us Martinez should be fired.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2019, 12:00:00 PM
It may all be unfolding nicely for the Yanks - who may bypass not only the Dodgers but the Astros as well.

Has Roberts been let go yet?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2019, 10:38:58 PM
It may all be unfolding nicely for the Yanks - who may bypass not only the Dodgers but the Astros as well.

Has Roberts been let go yet?

Astros win.

And why should roberts be fired?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2019, 10:17:14 AM
2 best teams in AL in ALCS

should be a very good series

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And why should roberts be fired?

Kapler, also Sox '04, got fired instead
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2019, 10:22:59 AM
Not a big Gabe detractor - actually wouldnt mind him in NY (prefer Showalter, Ausmus or an up and comer like DeMarlo Hale - )

Mets likely leaning to big name like Maddon or Girardi - or to a team link like WRIGHT, BELTRAN, VENTURA or PIAZZA - of which I like CB the best

I see our old friend Mr Farrell has possibilities with Anaheim.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2019, 12:19:40 AM
Anibel Sanchez! What a performance!

A solid game on both side, just slightly solider by the Nats.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2019, 12:02:45 PM
I'm sort of rooting for the Nats to win the whole shebang.

we've all seen the Astros, Ys, and Cards win the WS, but never a team from DC.

So with that,

GONATS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2019, 03:22:03 PM
I'm sort of rooting for the Nats to win the whole shebang.

we've all seen the Astros, Ys, and Cards win the WS, but never a team from DC.

So with that,

GONATS

Yes, I want the Nats. I want Houston to beat the Yankees, so my prediction goes that way, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2019, 07:35:47 PM
Scherzer twirls another beauty

GONATS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 12, 2019, 08:03:45 PM
clap clap clap

Great story if Max can start three more times.  Was certainly questionable about a month ago

Kudos to Wainwright as well - not sure how he gets to pitch to Eaton.  Who does Schildt think Adam is - PEDRO?  heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2019, 11:45:21 PM
Houston seems to have a...

a little pressure on Verlander tomorrow
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2019, 02:13:01 PM
heh

I guess......

Probably more pressure on the hitters
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2019, 05:00:38 PM
heh

that you can't name one hitter who the pressure falls to win the game is probably pretty indicative there is a fair amount of pressure on Verlander to pitch his ass off and get the Astro's a win despite a lethargic Astro's line-up.

heh

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2019, 12:59:31 AM
Super game in Houston.

I liked the ending, too.

First home team to win a game in the pair of LCS matches!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2019, 01:50:05 PM
Astros hitters had 2 hits in 8 innings vs Yankee bullpen before the Correa HR.

Yep.  Pressure.

A BULLPEN series, with all the talk of the Astros starter dominance and the great Tanaka in Yankee garb.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2019, 01:50:32 PM
Last night's result portends a 7-gamer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2019, 11:16:00 PM
Last night's result portends a 7-gamer

Tonight's result portends a 4 or 5 game series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 15, 2019, 11:48:50 AM
Last night's result portends a 7-gamer

Tonight's result portends a 4 or 5 game series.
Time for Adam Wainwright to squeeze some ketchup on a sock!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2019, 12:34:21 PM
has any team in baseball history ever recovered, EVER being down 0-3?

insurmountable!!!

its the gift that keeps on giving.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 15, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
Joe Scarborough says he is attending tonight, so that puts the KI-bosh on the sweep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2019, 06:17:25 PM
Long delay to replace the home plate ump.

I hope he's okay, but it has to be disruptive to the pitchers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2019, 08:14:35 PM
Powerful performance by Cole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2019, 08:28:13 PM
And the way the Cardinals have played the 1st inning, so far, they don't deserve to win the game.

Yeah, teams have come back from 1st inning disasters before, but between Wong at 2nd and the positionless right fielder's inability to decide to catch the ball (even if it was called a hit), the pitcher's night was blown and quite possibly the team's series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2019, 08:36:05 PM
The unique accomplishments of the '04 Sox look to be safe.

Nats are on a mission.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2019, 11:18:27 PM
Congrats to the Nats and their fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2019, 11:39:46 PM
Congrats to the Nats and their fans.

Best Washington baseball franchise ever!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on October 16, 2019, 12:20:14 PM
Better than the Senators of the 1920s and 1930s?  I guess they're remembered better for the 40s and 50s years of mediocrity.  One of the first MLB games I ever watched was after they had just moved to Minnesota. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 01:53:57 PM
Congrats to the Nats and their fans.

Best Washington baseball franchise ever!

heh

HOMESTEAD GRAYS, dawg.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2019, 02:08:49 PM
Congrats to the Nats and their fans.

Best Washington baseball franchise ever!

heh

HOMESTEAD GRAYS, dawg.

heh

the HOMESTEAD GRAYS, were really a Piitsburgh based team but played some games in DC.. dawg.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 02:13:23 PM
MOST in DC - when they won the Negro League World Series for the third time - in 1948

As you were.

12 Hall pf Famers......and yes, the team did start in PA, as the Nationals began in MTL.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 02:19:44 PM
I am sure you have heard, but...


Game 4 postponed - so now they will play 4 straight nights - beginning Thursday and with Game 7 still slated for Sunday

Will be interesting to see the maneuvering of respective pitching staffs for NY and HOU
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2019, 02:58:24 PM
MOST in DC - when they won the Negro League World Series for the third time - in 1948

As you were.

12 Hall pf Famers......and yes, the team did start in PA, as the Nationals began in MTL.

IIRC they started playing some of their games in DC in the late '30 or early '40s, and considered  DC home away from home. But they were the "Homestead Grays" Not the Washington Grays.

its like calling the Boston Celtics the Hartford Celtics because they played some home games in Conn. in the 80s.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 03:12:08 PM
The Homestead Grays (also known as Washington Grays or Washington Homestead Grays) were a professional baseball team that played in the Negro leagues in the United States.



You have been corrected, though I am sure you have more to say

Be good now, Smokey Joe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2019, 03:35:43 PM
The Homestead Grays (also known as Washington Grays or Washington Homestead Grays) were a professional baseball team that played in the Negro leagues in the United States.



You have been corrected, though I am sure you have more to say

Be good now, Smokey Joe.

Cherry picking again kid.

You should have included the following.

The team was formed in 1912 by Cumberland Posey, and remained in continuous operation for 38 seasons. The team was originally based in Homestead, Pennsylvania, adjacent to Pittsburgh. By the 1920s, with increasing popularity in the Pittsburgh region, the team retained the name "Homestead" but crossed the Monongahela River to play all home games in Pittsburgh, at the Pittsburgh Pirates' home Forbes Field and the Pittsburgh Crawfords' home Greenlee Field.

From 1940 until 1942, the Grays played half of their home games in Washington, D.C., while remaining in Pittsburgh for all other home stands.[1] As attendance at their games in the nation's capital grew, by 1943, the Grays were playing more than two-thirds of their home games in Washington.


Why do you try to bullshit your superiors?

You're just going to be shown up as full of shit.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2019, 08:50:23 PM
MOST in DC - when they won the Negro League World Series for the third time - in 1948

As you were.

12 Hall pf Famers......and yes, the team did start in PA, as the Nationals began in MTL.

28 years in Homestead & Pittsburgh. 11 years based in DC.

Can't find an overall winning pct for the team, but given their frequency of winning their league I suspect it blows away the Nationals. So, I should have said MLB franchise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 09:25:31 PM
As attendance at their games in the nation's capital grew, by 1943, the Grays were playing more than two-thirds of their home games in Washington.


Pretty much what I said

3 Negro League Series wins mostly played in Washington, where they are still the best team to have ever played/represented.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 09:26:42 PM
Might be a nice debate between actual baseball historians.

Many of course thought the Grays and some others could play with the Yanks, Giants, Red Sox, Dodgers and Cardinals of their day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2019, 10:34:56 PM
As attendance at their games in the nation's capital grew, by 1943, the Grays were playing more than two-thirds of their home games in Washington.


Pretty much what I said

3 Negro League Series wins mostly played in Washington, where they are still the best team to have ever played/represented.

No it was not what you said and which I responded to.

Anyone reading your original post would have benn left with the incorrect impression that the Homestead Grays were a Washington DC based team.

they were founded and played in Homestead/Piitsburgh for almost the first 30 years of their existence and then played games in DC.

And it was on your original 

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HOMESTEAD GRAYS, dawg.

you were challenged.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 11:17:33 PM
Washington Homestead Grays.  Washington Grays.

What don't you understand?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2019, 11:28:12 PM
Washington Homestead Grays.  Washington Grays.

What don't you understand?

Why you cannot admit you made a mistake.

"MOST in DC"

No, not "most in DC."

11 years in DC. 28 years not in DC.

What don't you understand?

Must be the same problem you have with "ask" vs. "beg." You struggle with English.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2019, 11:33:39 PM
11 years played in DC - exactly

They were a DC team - and won their 3 biggest titles there.

Nationals didn't start in DC either.  Are they still a Montreal team?

Its OK - you didnt know the Grays were WASH when you made the initial comment - get over it.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2019, 11:49:47 PM
kid you called them the Homestead Grays in your original post.

the Homestead Grays were a Pittsburgh-based team, and gained fame as a Pittsburgh based team.

That they played in DC for the last decade of their existence doesn't change the facts, no matter how you want to avoid admitting you were wrong.

Now get over it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2019, 12:21:46 AM
That they played in DC for the last decade of their ......


Now you got it.

Maybe you think the Nats are better

That's fine.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2019, 12:38:27 AM
11 years played in DC - exactly

They were a DC team - and won their 3 biggest titles there.

Nationals didn't start in DC either.  Are they still a Montreal team?

Its OK - you didnt know the Grays were WASH when you made the initial comment - get over it.

I didn't even consider the question, Kid, which was a mistake. (You still can't admit yours, however.) Like I said, I compared the 3 MLB Washington franchises for their winning pct., which led to my initial comment. The Nationals have the best winning pct of them. The Grays probably had a better pct. for their years in DC, though I have found nothing that breaks out the DC games vs. the PA games. They kept playing in Pittsburgh for the last decade of their existence.

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From 1940 until 1942, the Grays played half of their home games in Washington, D.C., while remaining in Pittsburgh for all other home stands.[1] As attendance at their games in the nation's capital grew, by 1943, the Grays were playing more than two-thirds of their home games in Washington.
ETA: I missed this quote when Banks posted it.

A bit of additional thought: The Washington Homestead Grays played ~62% of their home games in their last 11 years in DC. As noted, we don't know their record in those games, but I accept that it was likely better than even the current Nationals. The Grays at their best were an amazing team.

I also did not even think about:
The National Association Washington Olympics (1871–1872)
The National Association Washington Nationals (1872)
The National Association Washington Blue Legs (1873)
The National Association Washington Nationals (1875)
The Union Association Washington Nationals (1884)
The American Association Washington Nationals (1884)
The National League Washington Nationals (1886–1889)
The American Association Washington Statesmen (1891)
The National League Washington Senators (1892–1899) or
The United States Baseball League Washington Senators (1912)

Nor did I give a moment's thoughts to:
The Washington Black Senators
The Washington Olympics
The Washington Pilots or
The Washington Potomacs.

Nor, I suspect, did you.

But as it happens, Black or White, the current DC team is only the second to sport a winning franchise record - all the other sucked for the bulk of their existence, even if they had a good year or two.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 17, 2019, 02:20:27 AM
Jesus son of Joseph could we maybe discuss Eli Manning's Hall of Fame chances? Please? I mean, anything else?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2019, 02:28:22 AM
Jesus son of Joseph could we maybe discuss Eli Manning's Hall of Fame chances? Please? I mean, anything else?

Eli was a far better player than Charlie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2019, 08:41:35 AM
Tanaka v Greinke in the cold

In general I favor Astros pitching approach - though I picked the Yanks.

Tanaka out at 68 pitches in Game 1 was downright strange - but lets see if that benefits him tonight. 

I wont even say its over if Yanks lose tonight.  Each game is so close in matchup that a 3-game run by either team is not  surprising.  Trend shows about 61% of game three winnners (at 1-1) get the series.

Mike Stanton -pick up the bat phone!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2019, 09:32:26 PM
Neither starter has looked sharp thus far, for all that one of them has had more damage done against him than the other.

Go Houston!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2019, 12:48:42 AM
Neither starter has looked sharp thus far, for all that one of them has had more damage done against him than the other.

Go Houston!

3 games to 1, Houston leads. Can't rule the Yankees out, though. They've been known to win 3 in a row, after all.

But the Yankees fielding was so sloppy tonight! 4 errors and a couple other plays that could or should have been errorrs. They'll have to play far more solidly tomorrow to win, I would expect.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2019, 01:09:23 AM
It ain't over til the fat lady gets seconds at the all you can eat buffet, and she's working on thirds.

Ys had better hope they get some old juiced balls pronto, because if you take the juice out of the baseball and resort to playing baseball, the Astros play baseball a lot better than the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2019, 09:26:56 AM
Balls get juiced when pitchers miss location.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2019, 10:26:18 AM
Balls get juiced when pitchers miss location.

Just magically happened more this year than any prior year for teams all over the country.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2019, 10:56:23 AM
Snark noted - but I was speaking to this series.

Just a horrible pitch on the Correa HR last night. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2019, 08:30:56 PM
Oh well I had a Paxton over Verlander Game 7. But this will do
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2019, 08:50:58 PM
Let’s see if Boone leaves him in
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 18, 2019, 09:11:40 PM
6 is enough
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2019, 10:30:21 PM
Six was great

Pitch count, not Boone said no 7th
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2019, 10:57:05 PM
Neither pitcher was sharp in the first, same as yesterday.

The results were reversed.

Back to Houston.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2019, 10:04:28 AM
Astros should start Cole vs Yanks "bullpen game"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2019, 06:24:28 PM
Its Peacock

What would be interesting is if the game gets into 11th 12th innings - then Cole coming in is a hammer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2019, 08:10:10 PM
Astros should start Cole vs Yanks "bullpen game"

On short rest? Not really.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2019, 09:47:18 PM
heh

Here come.......the YANKS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2019, 12:05:17 AM
Astros must go to Cole  for the 11th

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2019, 12:20:57 AM
heh

Here come.......the YANKS

There go.......the YANKS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2019, 12:22:01 AM
Astros must go to Cole  for the 11th

I think that would be a bad move. He's going to be needed for Game 1 of the World Series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2019, 12:23:10 AM
Congratulations to the Houston Astros who won an exciting game to clinch the ALCS.

And to the Yankees who played hard and made it tough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2019, 12:28:30 AM
What a great game

and it reaffirmed my belief that a cosmic force exists

and it likes to fuck with us.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2019, 12:31:07 AM
congrats to the Astros and their fans
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2019, 04:34:50 PM
The great Altuve

https://twitter.com/DonHarris4/status/1185773877907079174
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2019, 04:37:51 PM
...and the effect of the HR

https://twitter.com/Kenny_623/status/1185772575634407425
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 21, 2019, 01:34:39 AM
It helps if I unlock the voting on the poll, I suspect.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2019, 07:49:13 PM
Go Nats!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2019, 08:10:19 PM
It helps if I unlock the voting on the poll, I suspect.

Now locked.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 08:57:08 PM
Astros in 6

GO NATS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 10:11:47 PM
Soto is unreal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 10:20:37 PM
Like Griffey

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 22, 2019, 10:38:26 PM
I think he's a better hitter at 20 than Griffey was at 20
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:06:12 PM
OPS+ of 138 vs 136 for KGJ

Next 4 years Griffey shoots up to 155, 149, 171, 171


Then he has the injury in '95 (down to 122 OPS+) - but of course beats the Yanks in first playoff round (1.488 OPS - heh)

Juan got his work cut out for him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:17:34 PM
Griffey of course was a DEER at that age.  This guy is a BULL.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:34:43 PM
 Fucking Smoltz - how about killing Springer for not being on third?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 11:44:18 PM
maybe
Tucker went back to 2nd to tag on a possible catch, instead of playing it half-way, and Springer had no place to go 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:46:09 PM
Nope
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2019, 11:54:34 PM
WIN      Scherzer

LOSS    Springer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2019, 11:54:53 PM
real good game

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 23, 2019, 08:27:44 AM
OPS+ of 138 vs 136 for KGJ

Next 4 years Griffey shoots up to 155, 149, 171, 171


Then he has the injury in '95 (down to 122 OPS+) - but of course beats the Yanks in first playoff round (1.488 OPS - heh)

Juan got his work cut out for him.
Of course none of that counters my opinion that Soto is better hitter at 20 than Griffey was at 20.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2019, 09:09:44 AM
And more of a dick, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 23, 2019, 09:13:09 AM
We'll just let that one stand for itself.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 23, 2019, 09:19:53 AM
You should do this more often.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 23, 2019, 09:22:10 AM
I'll try.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2019, 09:50:58 PM
Speaking of dicks:
https://t.co/8UMR3g37HV?amp=1&fbclid=IwAR3ctF-an65O2XG555czmkTq5X8fyZupiW7-UZhzbGSysyA1B-zPMB9GLsU

Umpire being investigated for a tweeted rant in which he demonstrated that he listens to "Mr. Graham" rather than reading the Constitution, kind of like Kid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2019, 11:13:47 PM
And he can't spell!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2019, 11:14:26 PM
Houston may have a problem.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2019, 11:50:48 PM
Houston may have a problem.

It was a perfectly nice tight pitching match-up til Houston went and ruined it.

Yes, going down 2-0 at home is not the best way to get a World Series underway.

These have to be their role models, as they are the only teams to come back from down 2 lost at home, in a 7 game WS.

The 1985 Kansas City Royals over the St. Louis Cardinals, 4-3.

• The 1986 New York Mets over the Boston Red Sox, 4-3.

• The 1996 New York Yankees over the Atlanta Braves, 4-2.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2019, 12:12:07 AM
I was thinking of the '86 Sox as the Nats were pounding away tonight.

Verlander now 0-5 in WS starts.

Go figure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 08:44:23 AM
Hinch decides not to make it a 3-inning bullpen game.

JV 90+ pitches after 6
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 08:48:22 AM
I was thinking of the '86 Sox as the Nats were pounding away tonight.

Verlander now 0-5 in WS starts.

Go figure.

6 starts...

Is hard to figure, except that he has faced strong pitching from the other side

2017 for instance - 12 innings, 5 hits 2 bb 14k and doesnt win?

23 year old rookie his first 2 outings in '06
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 08:54:08 AM
His teams have scored him SEVEN runs in his 6 World Series starts (while he was in the game)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2019, 10:06:07 AM
Girardi to manage Phillies.

Always liked Girardi.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2019, 10:09:00 AM
I was thinking of the '86 Sox as the Nats were pounding away tonight.

Verlander now 0-5 in WS starts.

Go figure.

6 starts...

Is hard to figure, except that he has faced strong pitching from the other side

2017 for instance - 12 innings, 5 hits 2 bb 14k and doesnt win?

23 year old rookie his first 2 outings in '06

I like Verlander, I'm not mocking him, its just a weird stat on an otherwise pristine 1st ballot HoF resume.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 10:13:49 AM
Girardi to manage Phillies.

Always liked Girardi.

Who?

Yeah Phil’s went established guy route. I guess they don’t tell the manager who to play each day
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2019, 10:16:06 AM
Good to see Showalter name on some of these lists

Alas. Won’t manage Mets

NYM apparently have a mystery candidate (not Wright)

Could it be Ron Darling?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2019, 10:50:12 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/24/sport/houston-astros-brandon-taubman/index.html

Taubman fired for his comments to one or more specific women.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 25, 2019, 08:15:33 AM
I was thinking of the '86 Sox as the Nats were pounding away tonight.

Verlander now 0-5 in WS starts.

Go figure.

6 starts...

Is hard to figure, except that he has faced strong pitching from the other side

2017 for instance - 12 innings, 5 hits 2 bb 14k and doesnt win?

23 year old rookie his first 2 outings in '06

I like Verlander, I'm not mocking him, its just a weird stat on an otherwise pristine 1st ballot HoF resume.

Yeah - real tough not to like the guy

I'd say a PIVOTAL Game 5 or 6 start looms for Verlander when discussing his career.

Do the Astros go Cole Game 4?  Interesting call if the series is 2-1.  If they wait for 5 he may not be available at all for 7.  If they go Cole/Verlander 4 and 5, BOTH might be available for 7 (in some capacity)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2019, 10:57:12 PM
the Bosox have a new puppy for GM.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 26, 2019, 12:54:04 AM
Good game for/by the Astros and now they get to come back to their aces, if they want to. But... Verlander sure would make me nervous, the same way Price did until he didn't and Kershaw does.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 26, 2019, 08:32:23 PM
Not the best start for Corbin. Will he bounce back? And can his team score more than 1 run tonight?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 26, 2019, 10:42:01 PM
Bregman seems to no longer be cold.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 12:56:34 PM
Not the best start for Corbin. Will he bounce back?

Sure
Next year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 05:45:22 PM
Good game for/by the Astros and now they get to come back to their aces, if they want to. But... Verlander sure would make me nervous, the same way Price did until he didn't and Kershaw does.

Gave you the numbers but you still do not learn
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 27, 2019, 06:21:24 PM
Good game for/by the Astros and now they get to come back to their aces, if they want to. But... Verlander sure would make me nervous, the same way Price did until he didn't and Kershaw does.

Gave you the numbers but you still do not learn

Numbers don't explain everything that goes on between the lines.

Is this actually news to you?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 27, 2019, 08:18:06 PM
Game 5 seems inconsequential to me - HOU wins either way

I actually hope Washington wins tonight.  Terrible, historic home fold if they do not

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 27, 2019, 09:14:22 PM
Game 5 seems inconsequential to me - HOU wins either way

I actually hope Washington wins tonight.  Terrible, historic home fold if they do not

Curious reasoning, especially with Washington starting ross tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 04:16:34 PM
“Strasburg will be excellent. Verlander- not so sure”

- Michael Kay

Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 29, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
“Strasbourg will be excellent. Verlander- not so sure”

- Michael Kay

Ridiculous.

To quote somebody out of context, "Wait and see."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 04:51:15 PM
Just another idiot too lazy to research the starts
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 05:54:35 PM
Bettors seem to believe Verlander may snap his WS losing streak.

Astros are a big favorite at -175 or about 63% win probability
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 29, 2019, 06:22:43 PM
Just another idiot too lazy to research the starts

Just the same old jerk ignoring reality in the face of his precious stats (except when somebody else uses states, whereupon the jerk claims the other fellow doesn't understand the game).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 06:24:52 PM
Bettors seem to believe Verlander may snap his WS losing streak.

Astros are a big favorite at -175 or about 63% win probability

Maybe they think he will get bombed then Stros come roaring back

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 06:28:21 PM
When was the last time Stras was at that price?

Nats actually a pretty good bet

No pitcher has ever gone 5-0 in a postseason
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 06:30:47 PM
Bettors seem to believe Verlander may snap his WS losing streak.

Astros are a big favorite at -175 or about 63% win probability

Maybe they think he will get bombed then Stros come roaring back

Heh

Maybe, or that the Astros score early again, as they seem to do every game, and the home team holds on to finally win a game.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 06:45:42 PM
Maybe, or that the Astros score early again, as they seem to do every game, and the home team holds on to finally win a game.


yep

I will project that if Strasburg goes NINE, Nats win. 
Wouldnt touch the game with real money - though the under 7.5 runs total looks appetizing
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 07:04:21 PM
if Strasburg goes 9. the Nats win?

Thats a limb grown on a 500 year old Sequoia and could support a 5 bedroom 5 bath house with a swimming pool and tennis court in the back.

you should be very comfortable on that limb.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 07:12:55 PM
Who do you like to win the game?    ASTROS

Which starting pitcher will do well?     BOTH

Which bullpen more likely mucks it?     NATS

What else you need?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 29, 2019, 07:13:59 PM
if Strasburg goes 9. the Nats win?

Thats a limb grown on a 500 year old Sequoia and could support a 5 bedroom 5 bath house with a swimming pool and tennis court in the back.

you should be very comfortable on that limb.
I wonder the last time a pitcher went 9 in a World Series Game without getting the win. Gibson in '68? Probably since then but I will wager not since the rise.of.the modern bull pen, and not in a National League park.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 07:16:08 PM
Who do you like to win the game?    ASTROS

Which starting pitcher will do well?     BOTH

Which bullpen more likely mucks it?     NATS

What else you need?

A TV and I'm good to go.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 07:19:32 PM
if Strasburg goes 9. the Nats win?

Thats a limb grown on a 500 year old Sequoia and could support a 5 bedroom 5 bath house with a swimming pool and tennis court in the back.

you should be very comfortable on that limb.
I wonder the last time a pitcher went 9 in a World Series Game without getting the win. Gibson in '68? Probably since then but I will wager not since the rise.of.the modern bull pen, and not in a National League park.

Well, basically what I am saying is you have to be nuts - or up against a specific circumstance to take the guy out tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 07:35:12 PM
if Strasburg goes 9. the Nats win?

Thats a limb grown on a 500 year old Sequoia and could support a 5 bedroom 5 bath house with a swimming pool and tennis court in the back.

you should be very comfortable on that limb.
I wonder the last time a pitcher went 9 in a World Series Game without getting the win. Gibson in '68? Probably since then but I will wager not since the rise.of.the modern bull pen, and not in a National League park.

Well, basically what I am saying is you have to be nuts - or up against a specific circumstance to take the guy out tonight

Torre pulled arguably the best pitcher of the modern era in the 4th inning in G7 '03 ALCS as he was having an offnigh  and was getting hit, and won the game.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 07:48:05 PM
Yeah, CIRCUMSTANCE (pitch count) would have gotten Ol Rog by the sixth anyway.  He stunk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 07:49:29 PM
Who pitched that game for BOS?  :)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 29, 2019, 07:51:53 PM
if Strasburg goes 9. the Nats win?

Thats a limb grown on a 500 year old Sequoia and could support a 5 bedroom 5 bath house with a swimming pool and tennis court in the back.

you should be very comfortable on that limb.
I wonder the last time a pitcher went 9 in a World Series Game without getting the win. Gibson in '68? Probably since then but I will wager not since the rise.of.the modern bull pen, and not in a National League park.

Well, basically what I am saying is you have to be nuts - or up against a specific circumstance to take the guy out tonight
I understood that. That was a factual inquiry. I thought about Smoltz, but he only went into the 8th in 91 game 7.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 07:53:58 PM
Yeah, CIRCUMSTANCE (pitch count) would have gotten Ol Rog by the sixth anyway.  He stunk.

The 6th?

If Ol "Rog stayed in for another batter there's a good chance that game might have been lost.

Too bad Ol' Grady wasn't taking notes on when to pull a starter who has shot his load.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 07:58:22 PM
if Strasburg goes 9. the Nats win?

Thats a limb grown on a 500 year old Sequoia and could support a 5 bedroom 5 bath house with a swimming pool and tennis court in the back.

you should be very comfortable on that limb.
I wonder the last time a pitcher went 9 in a World Series Game without getting the win. Gibson in '68? Probably since then but I will wager not since the rise.of.the modern bull pen, and not in a National League park.

Well, basically what I am saying is you have to be nuts - or up against a specific circumstance to take the guy out tonight
I understood that. That was a factual inquiry. I thought about Smoltz, but he only went into the 8th in 91 game 7.

Glavine pitched a complete game loss but went only 8 innings in that same WS (G2).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 08:33:03 PM
Astros got this first inning magic down pretty good
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 10:25:31 PM
JV can't get off the WS win schneid
now he needs to get bailed out to avoid L6
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 10:40:15 PM
Cant fault Martinez re:  Scherzer usage.  But I try to get 8 from Stras.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 29, 2019, 10:42:32 PM
I hate this call
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 29, 2019, 10:53:12 PM
Not sure how else a batter-runner is supposed to get to the bag.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 29, 2019, 10:55:28 PM
Strasburg has to go 9.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 11:20:29 PM
yup

he breezed in the 8th

give him the 9th

wasn't sure he was going to go 3
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2019, 11:49:22 PM
so much for home field advantage

WEIRD

Max effort for G7
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 30, 2019, 12:17:09 AM
Just another idiot too lazy to research the starts

Game 1, 2006 - 5 innings, 6 earned runs, 7  total
Game 5, 2006 - 6 innings, 1 earned run, 3 total
Game 1, 2012 - 4 innings, 5 earned runs, 5 total
Game 2, 2017 - 6 innings, 3 earned runs, 3 total
Game 6, 2017 - 6 innings, 2 earned runs, 2 total

5 games total - 27 innings, 17 earned runs: 5.67 era.

Game 2, 2019 - 6 innings, 4 earned runs, 4 total
Game 6, 2019 - 5 innings, 3 earned runs, 3 total

2 games total - 11 innings, 7 earned runs: 5.73 era.

I dunno, Kid. Looks like Verlander pitched true to form.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 30, 2019, 12:19:10 AM
Not sure how else a batter-runner is supposed to get to the bag.

I think the decision was wrong, but I guess their argument is that he should have approached it from foul territory.

It's a good thing that the game did not end up hinging on that play.

Or unhinging, in the case of the Nats' manager.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on October 30, 2019, 06:53:39 PM
Not sure how else a batter-runner is supposed to get to the bag.
Via the runners lane where the rules provide him safe harbor from an interference call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 30, 2019, 08:46:29 PM
Good job by MLB not suspending Dave Martinez

Great job by Coach Chip Hale holding him back - and bad job by the ump who kept coming forward at Brentwood Dave
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 30, 2019, 10:35:52 PM
I would not have brought Osuna in now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 30, 2019, 11:07:07 PM
How could they have pitched to Soto there. Even with Kendrick up next.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 30, 2019, 11:26:33 PM
How could they have pitched to Soto there. Even with Kendrick up next.

It's a good question. I don't think it's got a good answer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2019, 11:55:29 PM
So cool-4 road wins to win a championship


Congrats to the Nats and theirs fans
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 30, 2019, 11:59:43 PM
So cool-4 road wins to win a championship


Congrats to the Nats and theirs fans

It was a very good and very unexpected series!

Way to go, Nats!

And congratulagtions to our Nats fan, wherever she may be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2019, 12:16:39 AM
fighting for the home field advantage may never be quite the same

7 road wins

go figure
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2019, 12:22:36 AM
There used to be a poster here pigday that IIRC was a Nats fan.

Haven't seen him/her around in awhile.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: oilcan on October 31, 2019, 11:33:28 AM
Congrats Nats!

Pigday = Hamilton sockpuppet = banned?



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 31, 2019, 11:52:53 AM
Indeed
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 03, 2019, 10:15:55 AM
Communist China
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 04:39:46 PM
Hahahah

Here goes Francessa again

Saying Beltran "is not a Hall of Famer.  I see him on the other side"

Cant make it up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 05:17:43 PM
Yankees do NOT offer 17.8 mil qualifying contract to Didi Gregorius, who becomes a no-compensation free agent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2019, 06:12:09 PM
JD not opting out.

Francesa called Beltran close on the HoF.
He is a borderline guy, but Baines opens up the field to a lot of borderline guys.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 06:27:22 PM
JD not opting out.


Drew?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 04, 2019, 06:37:29 PM
Larry Walker.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2019, 06:44:46 PM
JD not opting out.


Drew?

Salinger
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 04, 2019, 07:03:20 PM
Mike likes Winfield better

Winfield had the same on base % that Mike scoffed at for Carlos - and a slightly lower overall OPS - also a lack of "black ink", like Beltran

Dave did have more top ten MVPs.

Mike also favored Dave Parker, a 40 WAR guy for his career.  (69+ WAR for Carlos, 64 for Winnie)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 14, 2019, 11:45:09 AM
JDG and JV - an aspiring legend and a Hall of Famer.  Congrats to 2 great arms for their work (and Cys) this year. 

Yes, managers - pitchers CAN handle innings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 18, 2019, 06:42:10 PM
Weak  enough group of first years, except Jeter, that some of the PED class might get in?!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJq7bOxUwAA_Fwh?format=png&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 18, 2019, 06:44:31 PM
Or Chone Figgins.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 18, 2019, 07:31:00 PM
Walker, Wagner, Schilling, Jeter, Clemens, Bonds, Jones, Kent, Ramirez and ROSE
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 18, 2019, 07:55:08 PM
I'm getting close to saying fuck it on the PED guys, (Bonds, Clemens, Manny) but still mulling it over.

Right now I'd probably vote for Jeter, Schilling and Omar. He was the AL's Ozzie, played forever, and IMO his defensive brilliance is Hall worthy.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 18, 2019, 08:24:56 PM
Heh

Ozzie 5+ WAR  -  TEN times

Omar -   ONE time
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 18, 2019, 08:59:06 PM
I think there is room in the Hall for a great fielder, one of the best fiedling SS ever, and a guy who played for over 20 years on the strength of his glove.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 19, 2019, 03:07:24 PM
I let in the 'roid guys who were generational HoF worthy talents when supposedly clean - Clemens and Bonds, Manny waits a bit - along with the two HoF worthy short stops,  Vizquel and Rafael Furcal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 19, 2019, 03:18:24 PM
If Rabbit Maranville......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 19, 2019, 03:58:34 PM
I let in the 'roid guys who were generational HoF worthy talents when supposedly clean - Clemens and Bonds, Manny waits a bit - along with the two HoF worthy short stops,  Vizquel and Rafael Furcal.

Reaaly?

When do you think Manny starting getting help?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 19, 2019, 05:08:39 PM
The minute he left Cleveland.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 19, 2019, 06:16:35 PM
I let in the 'roid guys who were generational HoF worthy talents when supposedly clean - Clemens and Bonds, Manny waits a bit - along with the two HoF worthy short stops,  Vizquel and Rafael Furcal.

Reading between the lines

heh

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 19, 2019, 06:39:03 PM
The minute he left Cleveland.

Well...

the Cleveland Manny was a 33-115-.313 player, on average

How is this not at least the equal of the pre-steroid Bonds?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 19, 2019, 07:57:46 PM
The minute he left Cleveland.

Well...

the Cleveland Manny was a 33-115-.313 player, on average

How is this not at least the equal of the pre-steroid Bonds?

Not as many steals, obviously!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 19, 2019, 08:04:52 PM
Manny was .998 OPS in Cleveland.  Career mark was .996

Bomds SOARED statistically after he "changed".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 19, 2019, 08:11:18 PM
Bonds - interesting enough - pre 1999 season - OPS was ....

.996

Manny-like.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 22, 2019, 03:47:09 PM
So if "convicted" what kind of punishment should the Astro's get?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 22, 2019, 05:13:14 PM
They should be forced to FOREVER BEAR THAT FUCKING APSTROPHE YOU ADDED TO THEIR NAME AS A BADGE OF SHAME.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 22, 2019, 05:13:42 PM
Sorry.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 22, 2019, 05:17:02 PM
So if "convicted" what kind of punishment should the Astro's get?

Depends

Does MLB have bigger balls than NFL?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 22, 2019, 05:18:02 PM
Losing picks makes most sense
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 24, 2019, 08:35:11 AM
They should be forced to FOREVER BEAR THAT FUCKING APSTROPHE YOU ADDED TO THEIR NAME AS A BADGE OF SHAME.

LOL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on November 24, 2019, 08:36:13 AM
So if "convicted" what kind of punishment should the Astro's get?

Depends

Does MLB have bigger balls than NFL?

Or the NB'A?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 24, 2019, 11:03:29 AM
The NBA may have problems, but sign/play stealing ain't one of them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 04, 2019, 02:38:12 PM
Good to see Yanks - one title in 19 years - will go back this year to BUYING trophies.

As it should be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 05, 2019, 06:07:16 PM
So Braves get Hamels for Keuchel

Meh.

Mets add the true pro Jake Marisnick.  Deep team.  Astros get a lefty reliever, salary relief and a kid OF who may be something in 5 years
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 08, 2019, 09:29:15 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28255797/union-executive-marvin-miller-catcher-ted-simmons-elected-baseball-hall-fame (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28255797/union-executive-marvin-miller-catcher-ted-simmons-elected-baseball-hall-fame)

Nice to see Miller's contributions to the game officially recognized.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 08, 2019, 09:38:16 PM
I've been arguing for both of them for years. Now I can focus on Larry Walker.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 10:17:04 AM
I think Simmons was hurt by the removal from ballot rule.  Surely he'd have climbed from the initial 3.7% he received had he not been dropped from future consideration.

Yes, well earned - and fuck Miller for not appreciating his inclusion.  I say - no showup, no go up (the plaque, I mean).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 09, 2019, 10:20:47 AM
I can never tell if Kid is joking.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 11:11:10 AM
And I can never tell if you are real or a bot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 09, 2019, 11:16:46 AM
I'm fake.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 11:34:07 AM
I'm fake NEWS.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 09, 2019, 11:46:01 AM
They really should have had a recall vote on Harold Baines.

and Rabbit Maranville.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 09, 2019, 02:36:37 PM
And Rick Ferrell

And Harry Hooper

And Tony Perez
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 09, 2019, 02:50:40 PM
I can never tell if Kid is joking.

Doesn't matter.

He has already admitted to being a troll.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 10, 2019, 11:01:27 AM
8-300 for Cole?

For Gerritt fucking Cole?

Good Lord.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2019, 10:23:07 AM
8-300 for Cole?

For Gerritt fucking Cole?

Good Lord.

9/324

Mon Dieu
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 11, 2019, 11:00:20 AM
It's not my money and the Yankees seem to print it, but teams never seem to learn their lesson.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 11, 2019, 11:20:16 AM
I bet Suzyn Waldman is happy!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 11, 2019, 09:46:36 PM
Need some info on insurance with this contract.

LA went 8-300, per 660 AM

Idiot girl on FAN then asks who Yanks were even bidding against.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 12, 2019, 02:07:18 PM
Best value

Yankees -   36 mil  Cole
Phillies - 24 mil Wheeler
Braves -   18 mil Hamels
Twins -  10 mil Pineda
Giants -   9 mil Gausman
Mets - 3 mil (10 with incentives)  Wacha
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 12, 2019, 04:17:13 PM
Best value

Yankees -   36 mil  Cole
Phillies - 24 mil Wheeler
Braves -   18 mil Hamels
Twins -  10 mil Pineda
Giants -   9 mil Gausman
Mets - 3 mil (10 with incentives)  Wacha

Unclear.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 12, 2019, 06:49:55 PM
Late addition

Porcello at a cool TEN

Mets are loaded. 

Brody talking of dealing good guy Nimmo.  I'd be careful.

I like the whitening of the club of late.  Its about time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 12, 2019, 07:17:33 PM
That's gonna be a killer division next season. Gonna go with Phillies for now despite bullpen issues.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 14, 2019, 11:14:58 PM
What age were you folks when you started collecting baseball cards?

What age when you stopped?

Do you still have them or did you or parents toss them or did you manage to sell them or pass them along to another generation?

These questions prompted by the process of getting rid of stuff.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 15, 2019, 05:51:06 PM
As best as I can remember I started around age 6-7, (1957/58) and collected cards until around 1968. I had several shoe boxes of from that 10+ year period, and probably a few thousand cards. I still have about 500 cards circa 1967-68 that escaped my mom's (RIP mom) need to spring-clean. Long ago she insisted a cleaning lady snagged my collection. My best/most valuable card is a 1941 "Play Ball" Ted Williams card that was given to me by my now an ex-brother-in-law.

While renovating an old home he found a lot of old cards and newspapers used as insolation. He kept the TW card as he remembered I was a Sox fan,

He threw away the others.

Dolt.   

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on December 17, 2019, 10:01:45 PM
8-300 for Cole?

For Gerritt fucking Cole?

Good Lord.

9/324

Mon Dieu


LOL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 24, 2019, 01:20:21 PM
Betance-you very much!

(for the record I favored Treinen)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 25, 2019, 09:58:11 AM
Happy Holidays folks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 10, 2020, 10:17:38 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2870694-report-mookie-betts-red-sox-agree-to-record-27m-contract-avoid-arbitration?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 11, 2020, 08:10:19 PM
yawnnnnnnn
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on January 13, 2020, 02:38:57 PM
Will AJ Hinch ever manage again?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 13, 2020, 03:25:05 PM
Will AJ Hinch ever manage again?
Or Cora? MLB will wait until after they finish with the blatant cheating of the Red Sox, but reports have him on the hook for something substantial.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2020, 04:07:42 PM
Astro's set the bar on managerial discipline.

Depending on the unreleased MLB findings Sox will probably fire Cora.

Good thing they already fired Dombrowski.

And Beltran will skate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 13, 2020, 08:35:55 PM
And Beltran will skate.


Why wouldn't he?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on January 14, 2020, 11:28:34 AM
And Beltran will skate.


Why wouldn't he?
Beltran can forget the Hall of Fame.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on January 14, 2020, 07:33:17 PM
Alex Cora fired by Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 14, 2020, 07:40:53 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/14/red-sox-fire-manager-alex-cora/m52JHQdAiXjpvPOIiGo3QN/story.html (https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/14/red-sox-fire-manager-alex-cora/m52JHQdAiXjpvPOIiGo3QN/story.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 14, 2020, 09:21:45 PM
He had to go.

I don't know that it leaves his reputation "in tatters," but it surely didn't burnish it!

And hey, there's about a month to get ready for the season! Plenty of time...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 14, 2020, 10:04:03 PM
Buh-bye, Joey
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 14, 2020, 11:55:15 PM
While Manfred gave him a pass, Beltran should address this ASAP.

The Mets can claim they knew nothing, and history would bear them out.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2020, 02:24:44 PM
Mets silence and lack of support ifolr Beltran s deafening.

One has to wonder that as MLB said it wouldn't go after players in this matter, if MLB wants the teams to do the dirty work,

That ice Beltran's skating on may be melting on the warm January day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 15, 2020, 03:17:39 PM
My opinion that Cora's rep might not be in tatters was overly optimistic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 15, 2020, 03:41:03 PM
Mets silence and lack of support ifolr Beltran s deafening.

One has to wonder that as MLB said it wouldn't go after players in this matter, if MLB wants the teams to do the dirty work,

That ice Beltran's skating on may be melting on the warm January day.

We will get to see early on how Ivan handles the NY and national press.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2020, 04:47:09 PM
Early on?

New ownership has put the Mets in a "Cohen of silence"

The longer the silence the worse it looks for all involved.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 15, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
Can't hide in spring training
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2020, 05:04:34 PM
The Mets should take Tammy Wynette's advice

Stand by Beltran

https://www.google.com/search?q=stand+by+your+man+youtube&oq=stand+by+your+man+youtube&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.13114j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 (https://www.google.com/search?q=stand+by+your+man+youtube&oq=stand+by+your+man+youtube&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l7.13114j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 15, 2020, 07:45:50 PM
We shall see

I trust this GM.  Other worthy candidates - though it's tough getting a late start
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on January 16, 2020, 01:31:19 PM
Beltran out in New York.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 16, 2020, 01:33:51 PM
Mets silence and lack of support ifolr Beltran s deafening.

One has to wonder that as MLB said it wouldn't go after players in this matter, if MLB wants the teams to do the dirty work,

That ice Beltran's skating on may be melting on the warm January day.

And Betran stands alone in a puddle of warm water.

And resigns as Mets manager.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 16, 2020, 07:37:32 PM
Eduardo Perez

Sox?  Mets?  Interesting.

I like Bogar.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 17, 2020, 11:03:09 AM
https://larrybrownsports.com/baseball/new-allegations-astros-players-buzzers-inside-jerseys/533588

Buzzers in the uniforms?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 17, 2020, 07:28:21 PM
The Bregman mystery - solved. 

May he and Altuve fall off a statistical cliff this year...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 21, 2020, 06:44:43 PM
Larryyyyy Walkerrrrrr!!

Congratulations Victoria BC

Schilling gets 70% and should be in next year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 22, 2020, 07:31:58 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/us/world-series-revoke-dodgers-spt-trnd/index.html

LA City Council has asked MLB to award the Dodgers the two World Series championships they played against cheaters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 22, 2020, 07:43:39 PM
It's a good thing nothing important needs to be done in L.A.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 24, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2872907-robot-umps-can-help-restore-fans-eroded-faith-in-mlbs-credibility?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

If the robot umps are handled the same way the electronic voting machines are handled, I suspect it will not increase baseballs credibility, just provide new challenges for hackers!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 25, 2020, 12:59:32 AM
Any of you read Troy Soos' Murder at Fenway Park?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 25, 2020, 09:51:12 AM
Yeah

The shortstop did it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 25, 2020, 10:43:50 AM
Speaking of shortstops -

Not sure who it was but an MLB Radio analyst said this about JETER yesterday

- never the best SS in the game at a particular time

- a lesser defender than Nomar
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 25, 2020, 10:58:20 AM
Speaking of shortstops -

Not sure who it was but an MLB Radio analyst said this about JETER yesterday

- never the best SS in the game at a particular time

- a lesser defI Iender than Nomar
I think A-Rod was a better glove at SS than both.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 25, 2020, 03:05:28 PM
Alex was mentioned as well.

Freaking Nomar...
for whatever reason...
what might have been...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 25, 2020, 05:38:20 PM
Yeah

The shortstop did it.
Yes, but Nomar or Jeter?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 25, 2020, 08:10:48 PM
Yeah

The shortstop did it.
Yes, but Nomar or Jeter?

They were both tried for it, but Nomar was found innocent and Jeter was not, because Nomar had better defense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 04, 2020, 10:36:13 PM
Goodbye, Mookie -

I'd love to see you come back in a year, but it seems very unlikely.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2715851-report-mookie-betts-david-price-traded-from-red-sox-to-dodgers-in-blockbuster?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 04, 2020, 10:39:04 PM
Red Sox won;t be relevant again for ten years.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 04, 2020, 10:50:38 PM
Twins continue to load up with arms.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 05, 2020, 12:25:46 AM
Adios Mook

he was one of the best and most entertaining players the sox have ever had

tough nite

As posted elsewhere

So if i understand this correctly, the take away is we helped improve the Twins chances of beating the Yankees in the ALDS with some more starting pitching, (yeah right) and then the LAD's chances of beating the Ys in the Series
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 05, 2020, 12:46:10 AM
Very touching tribute, Bank

Verdugo's a player.  Sort of what you have always hoped Tendi is.

The pitcher is a fat guy that will never stay healthy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 05, 2020, 08:34:40 AM
Cool page, though not Mookie-updated

https://soxprospects.com/2020.htm
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 05, 2020, 02:12:36 PM
Red Sox won;t be relevant again for ten years.

I'll take that bet.

Define relevant, though, because I can imagine your discounting playoff appearances as irrelevant unless they make it to the Series or at least the ALCS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 05, 2020, 02:57:09 PM
We'll just call you Wild Card Josh.

Fuck, once you've won 4...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 05, 2020, 10:53:43 PM
Yanks fortunate to njot yet have divested from JA Happ

Big Maple down for 4 months

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2020, 11:34:03 AM
RIP Roger Kahn

one of the great baseball writers

Nice piece by Joe Pos

https://theathletic.com/1592608/2020/02/07/in-remembrance-of-boys-of-summer-author-roger-kahn-who-found-beauty-in-the-stories-of-underdogs (https://theathletic.com/1592608/2020/02/07/in-remembrance-of-boys-of-summer-author-roger-kahn-who-found-beauty-in-the-stories-of-underdogs)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 08, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
Great writer. The other (and imho, better) Roger, Angell, is alive and kicking at about 100 and living in Maine
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 08, 2020, 12:07:19 PM
Yup

WBW I used to read The New Yorker for Angell on baseball and Kael on films.

Sadly I don't read anymore.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 09, 2020, 05:24:40 PM
Sox should just forget Graterol, take Maeda.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 09, 2020, 09:12:01 PM
kid's right on top of the news.

heh

Grats was out by Thursday.

Sox get a Verdugo, Downs, and Wong from Dodgers to complete Betts/Price trade.

Sox get 2 potential starters and regain financial flexibility
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 10, 2020, 12:08:26 AM
Excellent deal.  Heh

We still take 10 years to recover.

But at least Joey is gone and we finally have a Jeter. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 10, 2020, 11:56:38 AM
I think it was a step back and we are now in a bridge years (s) but 10 years is a long time. and lots can happpen in 1 or 2.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 10, 2020, 03:18:21 PM
So, who are the #4 and 5 starters as of today?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 10, 2020, 03:25:38 PM
So, who are the #4 and 5 starters as of today?
Plesac and Civale. Maybe Plutko.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 10, 2020, 03:54:21 PM
I'll take Stroman and Matz.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 10, 2020, 04:53:10 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/ex-blue-jays-reliever-sues-astros-sign-stealing-210940455--mlb.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 10, 2020, 06:46:02 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2875675-report-mlb-seriously-considering-expanded-playoff-field-starting-in-2022?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

I don't like it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 10, 2020, 09:05:29 PM
Very well stated - heh

Only way you will see Roenicke anywhere near a playoff game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 10, 2020, 09:08:54 PM
BK losing another key game

Dinwiddie sucking wind,  Jordan is a beast.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 13, 2020, 06:28:12 PM
Adios Dirt Bag! Jason Kipnis has signed a minor league deal with the Cubs. Always loved the way he played.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 20, 2020, 08:42:24 PM
Is the fantasy league happening this year?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 22, 2020, 10:30:59 AM
Usually Urbanshock pops up sometime about now.  If you have anyone interested in joining, I wouldnt mind a total redraft, say if we could get back up to ten to twelve teams (need 2-4 new owners)

Anyone here interested?  No cash needed.  Just have to commit to running your team throughout the year (as in dont just draft it and leave it)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 25, 2020, 10:27:32 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2877980-yankees-luis-severino-recommended-to-have-tommy-john-surgery-for-forearm-injury?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

The guaranteed winners of the AL are no longer guaranteed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 25, 2020, 10:59:00 PM
???
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 01, 2020, 11:26:39 AM
Houston players must be beaned.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 05, 2020, 02:48:06 PM
Cole 4 hr allowed to 2 players in 2 innings
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 05, 2020, 02:50:49 PM
Put your picks on NL forum for easy access

Division, WC, pennent, WS winners

MVP, rookie, Cy, fireman, managers of year.  Batting title, hr, rbi and steals
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 05, 2020, 03:53:37 PM
Cole 4 hr allowed to 2 players in 2 innings
Yep. Next up the inevitable "...arm stiffness, but not expected to miss much time" press release the Yankees are so good at.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 05, 2020, 08:01:37 PM
Must be incredibly maddening to be a NYY fan at this time
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 06, 2020, 12:26:30 PM
Cole 4 hr allowed to 2 players in 2 innings


Attaboy

just giving us news we already have access to
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 06, 2020, 04:50:09 PM
Kiid -

I can't figure out how to respond to your offer in GGHF. I am not interested in Clevinger until I know how long he is out.

However, you seem to know more than I do as to who is on my team. I can't seem to get urban shock to respond to me about who i had so i can figure out my keepers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 07, 2020, 09:59:37 PM
Just click on your team and the roster should appear
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 07, 2020, 10:06:10 PM
I would probably  give you Verlander instead if you give me Freeman in place of Rizzo.

Your top ten keepers are

Mookie
Bregman
Freeman
Marte
Mondesi
Corbin
Morton
Rizzo
Gallo
Correa
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2020, 08:20:20 AM
I would probably  give you Verlander instead if you give me Freeman in place of Rizzo.

Your top ten keepers are

Mookie
Bregman
Freeman
Marte
Mondesi
Corbin
Morton
Rizzo
Gallo
Correa
Starling or Ketel?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 08, 2020, 05:18:27 PM
starling


My team is

Verlander
Clevinger
JD Martinez
P Alonso
Bogaerts
Realmuto
Hiura
Albies
Y Alvarez
Soler
Springer

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on March 12, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
MLB shutting down.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 12, 2020, 04:36:24 PM
MLB shutting down.

2 week delay (so far) to opening day, plus cancellation of the rest of the Spring Training games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 15, 2020, 10:16:38 AM
Thanks China.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 15, 2020, 12:06:10 PM
Thanks China.

MLB Commish Manfred was informed the source of Coronavirus  was Chinese bats.

I heard he will issue an executive order that only American bats made in the U-S-A will be authorized for official MLB baseball.

FUCK CHINESE BATS!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on March 15, 2020, 03:41:09 PM
LMAO
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on March 19, 2020, 04:55:55 AM
Thanks China.

MLB Commish Manfred was informed the source of Coronavirus  was Chinese bats.

I heard he will issue an executive order that only American bats made in the U-S-A will be authorized for official MLB baseball.

FUCK CHINESE BATS!
😁😂
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 23, 2020, 10:04:48 AM
Can the Sale deal be seen as "worth it", given the one title?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 23, 2020, 11:51:11 AM
Can the Sale deal be seen as "worth it", given the one title?

Sure.

It can also be seen as not worth it, given only one title.

From the viewpoint of those teams that have not won in decades, they would tell you it was totally worth it. From a Yankees fan perspective, I don't know.

But there are two Sale deals. The first I would say was worth it, but the second sure looks like the foolish expenditure that many thought it was at the time.

2020 and 2021 are gone. Will Sale return from TJ surgery as many (but not all) have, even faster than he was before? Will he "merely" regain his former level? Or will he never have a complete season again?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 23, 2020, 12:09:57 PM
Cool (million).  This shouldn't be too difficult


https://www.mlb.com/the-vault
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 23, 2020, 12:12:28 PM
Can the Sale deal be seen as "worth it", given the one title?

Sure.

It can also be seen as not worth it, given only one title.

From the viewpoint of those teams that have not won in decades, they would tell you it was totally worth it. From a Yankees fan perspective, I don't know.

But there are two Sale deals. The first I would say was worth it, but the second sure looks like the foolish expenditure that many thought it was at the time.

2020 and 2021 are gone. Will Sale return from TJ surgery as many (but not all) have, even faster than he was before? Will he "merely" regain his former level? Or will he never have a complete season again?

First and second deals are tied together.  Never any thought in Boston to not inking Sale long term - unless there had been an earlier injury.

I think it's a fail (see Moncada, Kopech as part of analysis) - but the banner is nice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 23, 2020, 12:21:32 PM
Reminder of Sale Game 4 2017 vs Astros - (after losing Game 1 vs Verlander)

pitches pretty well, then Bregman takes him deep.  Is inexplicably removed for Springer with 1 on and Reddick on deck and at just 77 pitches.  (Reddick - and then Beltran the next inning get the key hits vs Kimbrel)

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS201710090.shtml
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 23, 2020, 06:53:29 PM
Can the Sale deal be seen as "worth it", given the one title?

Sure.

It can also be seen as not worth it, given only one title.

From the viewpoint of those teams that have not won in decades, they would tell you it was totally worth it. From a Yankees fan perspective, I don't know.

But there are two Sale deals. The first I would say was worth it, but the second sure looks like the foolish expenditure that many thought it was at the time.

2020 and 2021 are gone. Will Sale return from TJ surgery as many (but not all) have, even faster than he was before? Will he "merely" regain his former level? Or will he never have a complete season again?

First and second deals are tied together.  Never any thought in Boston to not inking Sale long term - unless there had been an earlier injury.

I think it's a fail (see Moncada, Kopech as part of analysis) - but the banner is nice.

It's unclear that Moncada ever does anything for us or that we get the title without Sale.

If the goal is championships, then I still think the deal is a win.

Yes, there was a lot of talk about not resigning Sale, because he had an injury the previous season! He barely pitched after July and was restricted in the WS - two games, five innings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 23, 2020, 07:08:24 PM


That's what medicals are for

237 K in 158 innings, 2.11 ERA - all you need to know.

Only a "get me out of this town" stance would have seen Sale not get the extension.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 23, 2020, 07:09:55 PM
Your Moncada statement is too out there for me to even bother with
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 23, 2020, 09:35:03 PM


That's what medicals are for

237 K in 158 innings, 2.11 ERA - all you need to know.

Only a "get me out of this town" stance would have seen Sale not get the extension.

No, as far as I can tell, medicals are for getting insurance for your pitcher.

https://weei.radio.com/articles/tomase-red-sox-pitcher-chris-sale-should-be-allowed-walk-away-baseball-free-agency

It's not so much a get out of town stance as a "what is this player worth, under these circumstances?"

Your 2.11 stat is lovely, but you are sooooooooo full of shit when you say "that's all you need to know."

The ERA was 1.97 through August. It was 3.75 in August. And he could not pitch effectively for the bulk of the Series - two appearances and an ERA over 4.

And he said... "I feel like myself again," because he had not felt like himself. And it turns out he was right that he had not been... and the next year he still wasn't.

All Spring long and into the season, "where is Chris Sale?" was a question. But you can insist that your view is the only one. Don't let me stop you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 23, 2020, 09:41:55 PM
Your Moncada statement is too out there for me to even bother with

Your inability to frame a cogent argument to rebut my point is too funny.

Until 2019, Moncada was an expensive toy with only potential.

He was a .233 hitter (.719 OPS) averaging 233 strike outs per 162 games. Who was going to get playing time, him or Devers?

And it is not as if the Sox handled all their expensive acquisitions well. See also: Rusney Castillo.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 25, 2020, 11:38:52 AM
When the season begins this July, Mets will be without Noah Syndergaard, who will join Chris Sale on the TJ surgery list.  Mets stockpiling of starters now appears wise, though time will tell if not paying Zack Wheeler was.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 06, 2020, 07:14:25 PM
RIP Mr. Tiger, Al Kaline.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 06, 2020, 07:17:13 PM
A truly great player (probably the second best ever from Baltimore) and to the extent that a Hall of Famer could be underrated he was.  Arguably, Clemente's equal, but never talked about in such hushed tones.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 06, 2020, 08:00:53 PM
A truly great player (probably the second best ever from Baltimore) and to the extent that a Hall of Famer could be underrated he was.  Arguably, Clemente's equal, but never talked about in such hushed tones.

https://capanson.wordpress.com/2010/02/03/roberto-clemente-vs-al-kaline/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 06, 2020, 08:02:16 PM
As a kid starting to watch the game, Al was one of my favorite non-Sox players. He did everything really well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 06, 2020, 10:16:32 PM
Compiler.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 06, 2020, 10:51:25 PM
Compiler.

Troll.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2020, 12:16:05 PM
Well.... they accused Yaz of the same.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2020, 12:16:29 PM
...and Yount
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2020, 12:16:50 PM
... and even the GREAT Peter Edward Rose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 07, 2020, 12:31:07 PM
Well.... they accused Yaz of the same.
Who did, other trolls?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 07, 2020, 01:18:04 PM
You left out Jeter on the list of players who have been accused of being compilers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 07, 2020, 01:29:47 PM
My favorite Al Kaline fact is that he holds the record for most career home runs among players who never hit 30 or more in a year, 399. Plus 3 in the postseason.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 07, 2020, 01:41:23 PM
I think Kaline was very, very good at literally everything except defense, where he was exceptional, and stealing bases and staying healthy, where he was not. If that makes him a compiler, so be it. He remained a solid contributor in terms of WAR and OPS+ until the end of his career.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2020, 02:12:32 PM
I think Kaline was very, very good at literally everything except defense, where he was exceptional, and stealing bases and staying healthy, where he was not. If that makes him a compiler, so be it. He remained a solid contributor in terms of WAR and OPS+ until the end of his career.

Which makes the term "compiler" either inapplicable or meaningless.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 07, 2020, 02:26:48 PM
https://deadspin.com/rip-al-kaline-you-were-the-greatest-player-time-forgot-1842715146
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 07, 2020, 02:33:23 PM
And in a anecdote that illustrates how different baseball has become - not.worse, not better, different. In the early 70's, when Detroit wanted to make him their first $100,000.00 player, he originally turned the offer down. Not because he wanted more money, but because he did not think he deserved that much:

https://www.nytimes.com/1971/12/21/archives/kaline-is-signed-to-100000-pact-outfielder-is-first-tiger-to.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 07, 2020, 11:37:13 PM
I think Kaline was very, very good at literally everything except defense, where he was exceptional, and stealing bases and staying healthy, where he was not. If that makes him a compiler, so be it. He remained a solid contributor in terms of WAR and OPS+ until the end of his career.

I was joking, of course.

It was a knock on other posters who have done the same with the guys I mentioned

Kaline wasnt a league leader very often (1 batting title) yet amassed a very impressive number of top 5/10 MVP ranks.

Yes, quite well-rounded - and I would in fact use the G word for him.

Sadly, like Jim Ed Rice, lost his .300 career average due to his last 1-2 years.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2020, 07:20:34 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886004-report-mlb-considering-realigning-into-florida-arizona-leagues-amid-covid-19?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral

I sure hope they are kidding.

And if they are not, I hope they just say no after they consider it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 10, 2020, 08:15:30 PM
Well, the question is if they'd still go ahead if the union vote is YES but 20% of the players say no and will opt to stay home.

My guess is sure - just wondering how much of a pay cut they decide on for each player.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 14, 2020, 09:16:47 AM
Well, the question is if they'd still go ahead if the union vote is YES but 20% of the players say no and will opt to stay home.

My guess is sure - just wondering how much of a pay cut they decide on for each player.
You think 20% of baseball players do not want/need the paycheck?

Hasn't the union already signed off on what ownership decides?

I am curious about the minors.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 14, 2020, 01:24:26 PM
Need?  Absolutely.  Want - is another story.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 14, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
As for the minors - this crisis actually plays into the commissioner's hands - he was looking to shorten the draft - and eliminate all minor leagues below AA - allowing independent leagues to become the new low minors.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 14, 2020, 08:22:04 PM
RIP Hank Steinbrenner.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 17, 2020, 07:24:13 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2886512-which-mlb-steroid-users-deserve-to-be-in-the-baseball-hall-of-fame?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=referral
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 17, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
If no Palmeiro, no Bonds
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2020, 06:12:41 PM
If no Palmeiro, no Bonds

They don't mind Palmeiro, but his numbers were not as strong for the Hall to start with - Bonds would have been in the Hall without every doing steroids.

Bonds was better off steroids than anybody else off them and better on them than anybody on them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 18, 2020, 06:41:00 PM
At Palmeiro's rate through age 25 (non-steroid) he'd have had 1400+hits by age 30.

The actual number he got to was 1455 (then 2321 by age 35, right at the 170 hits a year he got pre-steroids)

I havent heard anything about steroids PREVENTING injury - which was the real incredible nature of Raffy's career - he played 154 games on average from age 23 to 39 - and this was INCLUDING the strike year of 1994 (when he played just 111)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 18, 2020, 06:44:03 PM
What year do you think Raffy started with the steroids?


      
1987   22   CHC   NL   84   244   221   32   61   15   1   14   30   2   2   20   26   .276   .336   .543   .879   126   120   4   1   0   2   1   73/9   
1988   23   CHC   NL   152   629   580   75   178   41   5   8   53   12   2   38   34   .307   .349   .436   .785   121   253   11   3   2   6   6   *7/398   AS
1989   24   TEX   AL   156   632   559   76   154   23   4   8   64   4   3   63   48   .275   .354   .374   .728   104   209   18   6   2   2   3   *3/D7   
1990   25   TEX   AL   154   651   598   72   191   35   6   14   89   3   3   40   59   .319   .361   .468   .829   131   280   24   3   2   8   6   *3/D   MVP-14
1991   26   TEX   AL   159   714   631   115   203   49   3   26   88   4   3   68   72   .322   .389   .532   .922   155   336   17   6   2   7   10   *3/D   AS,MVP-19
1992   27   TEX   AL   159   701   608   84   163   27   4   22   85   2   3   72   83   .268   .352   .434   .786   123   264   10   10   5   6   8   *3/D   
1993   28   TEX   AL   160   686   597   124   176   40   2   37   105   22   3   73   85   .295   .371   .554   .926   150   331   8   5   2   9   22   *3   MVP-8
1994   29   BAL   AL   111   498   436   82   139   32   0   23   76   7   3   54   63   .319   .392   .550   .942   136   240   11   2   0   6   1   *3   MVP-16
1995   30   BAL   AL   143   624   554   89   172   30   2   39   104   3   1   62   65   .310   .380   .583   .963   145   323   12   3   0   5   5   *3   MVP-11
1996   31   BAL   AL   162   732   626   110   181   40   2   39   142   8   0   95   96   .289   .381   .546   .927   132   342   9   3   0   8   12   *3/D   MVP-6
1997   32   BAL   AL   158   692   614   95   156   24   2   38   110   5   2   67   109   .254   .329   .485   .815   113   298   14   5   0   6   7   *3/D   MVP-13,GG
1998   33   BAL   AL   162   709   619   98   183   36   1   43   121   11   7   79   91   .296   .379   .565   .945   144   350   14   7   0   4   8   *3/D   AS,MVP-18,GG,SS
1999   34   TEX   AL   158   674   565   96   183   30   1   47   148   2   4   97   69   .324   .420   .630   1.050   160   356   13   3   0   9   14   *D3   AS,MVP-5,GG,SS
2000   35   TEX   AL   158   678   565   102   163   29   3   39   120   2   1   103   77   .288   .397   .558   .954   138   315   14   3   0   7   17   3D   
2001   36   TEX   AL   160   714   600   98   164   33   0   47   123   1   1   101   90   .273   .381   .563   .944   141   338   8   7   0   6   8   *3D   MVP-14
2002   37   TEX   AL   155   663   546   99   149   34   0   43   105   2   0   104   94   .273   .391   .571   .962   146   312   10   6   0   7   16   3D   
2003   38   TEX   AL   154   654   561   92   146   21   2   38   112   2   0   84   77   .260   .359   .508   .867   116   285   7   5   0   4   9   D3   
2004   39   BAL   AL   154   651   550   68   142   29   0   23   88   2   1   86   61   .258   .359   .436   .796   108   240   15   6   0   9   15   *3D   
2005   40   BAL   AL   110   422   369   47   98   13   0   18   60   2   0   43   43   .266   .339   .447   .786   108   165   9   2   0   8   4   3D   
20 Yrs   2831   12046   10472   1663   3020   585   38   569   1835   97   40   1353   1348   .288   .371   .515   .885   132   5388   232   87   15   119   172      
162 Game Avg.   162   689   599   95   173   33   2   33   105   6   2   77   77   .288   .371   .515   .885   132   308   13   5   1   7   10      
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2020, 09:04:15 PM
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versus
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Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2020, 09:51:10 PM
Palmeiro had an average of 2 more hits per year in 163 fewer at bats, which is why he was a .300 hitter through those years vs. Bonds' .286.

But in Bond's 581 extra plate appearances, he had 437 more walks, of which 134 were intentional. Despite that, not only did Bonds have 327 more total bases, including 98 more home runs, but also 158 more runs batted in. Had he been walked as little as Palmeiro, the gap would have been that much wider, as the overwhelming bulk of those times there were men on base.

The stolen bases also set Bonds apart from Palmeiro. And, for good or ill, that one admitted to having done steroids though never having failed a test, while the other denied (and denies) it despite having failed a test.

You asked when I thought Palmeiro might have started and I would guess the same year that Bonds did. Palmeiro hit .254 in 1997 and bounced back with .296 in '98, then .324 in '99. Perhaps in May of that year, when he realized he could not catch up to the ball, hitting .239, followed by months of .354 and .326.

That's all guesswork. I could just believe him that he never knowingly took them and that it was coincedence that after a declining batting average for 5 years after that .324 he bounced back in 2005. But he slumped out of the gate, hitting .247, before rebounding with .302 in May.

He did not recover after the suspension and never played again after the end of August 2005, despite asserting that he could still hit. "It's all in the mind," he explained. But it wasn't - it was all in the body.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 19, 2020, 12:28:41 PM
I have no idea why you felt the need to compare Barry and Raffy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 19, 2020, 01:59:27 PM
I have no idea why you felt the need to compare Barry and Raffy.

If no Palmeiro, no Bonds

Ring any bells?! You made the comparison first.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 19, 2020, 05:44:34 PM
That statement is not comparing them.

It is my opinion.  If Bonds is in, so is Palmeiro.  Says nothing of Palmeiro being Bonds equal any more than saying Jack Morris is the equal of Sandy Koufax.  Just both Hall of Famers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 19, 2020, 06:54:54 PM
That statement is not comparing them.

It is my opinion.  If Bonds is in, so is Palmeiro.  Says nothing of Palmeiro being Bonds equal any more than saying Jack Morris is the equal of Sandy Koufax.  Just both Hall of Famers.

Hahahaha.

"It's not comparing them. It's my opinion."

Kid, you are a buffoon.

It is a comparison to say that if Palmeiro can't get in, then Bonds should not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2020, 04:21:17 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2871211-red-sox-alex-cora-punishments-for-sign-stealing-scandal-announced-by-mlb

Cora suspended only for actions with the Astros, not the Red Sox.

Video replay system operator suspended from the Red Sox.

They didn't try to do it much. They succeeded even less. And neither Cora nor most of the players had the foggiest that it was going on. (If I were one of the uninformed players, I might be a tad miffed!) And they did not do it during the post season in 2018 and (as one can tell from the results) did not do it in 2019.

The Dodgers lost the World Series to the Red Sox on their own.

Plus, the ball was never inappropriately deflated, so there was nothing for Brady to know about.

So there!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 09:52:04 PM


nice spin

fuck Joey
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 03, 2020, 12:09:57 AM
Wishing Trey "Boom Boom" Mancini a relatively painless recovery from cancer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2020, 01:59:29 PM
Hearing the Players Association has cost amateur players a boatload of cash

Backstory is MLB wanted to slash slot money allotted for rounds 6-10 this year by 50%.  Rounds 1-5 would stay the same

Association said NO.  And MLB subsequently ELIMINATED all rounds past 5, making all players after this free agents with a Max bonus of 20k

30 million dollars was the total.  Thus 15 mil was declined and 180 players lose the thrill of having their name called

Average 6th round bonus had been in the 240k to 250k range.  Those players now Max at 20 k.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 10, 2020, 06:07:07 PM
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/mlb-proposal-coronavirus-return

80 games and regional competition.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 10, 2020, 06:17:46 PM
Half a loaf is better than none, though who knows if players are going to agree to salary reduction.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 10, 2020, 07:18:50 PM
Heh - how about that proposed Atlantic division?

Boston, Tampa, Yankees in with Nationals, Phils, Mets

Atlanta gets to go to Midwest?

Booooooo......

But games July 1?  ounds great, yep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 11, 2020, 02:45:55 AM
Heh - how about that proposed Atlantic division?

Boston, Tampa, Yankees in with Nationals, Phils, Mets

Atlanta gets to go to Midwest?

Booooooo......

But games July 1?  ounds great, yep.

I thought it was dumb.

Baltimore, not Tampa. Tampa should be with Miami and Atlanta.

I think they might be better off doing 3 ten team leagues. But... I would rather have a 78 game season than none, if and only if they can keep the teams (players, coaches, and staff (top to bottom) safe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 11, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
Nothing this year will be fully safe
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 15, 2020, 07:14:22 PM
RIP Bob Watson.

And https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/15/us/art-howe-coronavirus-icu-spt/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 25, 2020, 01:34:36 PM
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/cleveland-indians-nicolas-cage-face-lineup-graphic

Not the bizarrest story I've read today - that goes to the NYT and their piece on a lawsuit concerning animalistic sex and relationships in fanfic-based novels and whether or not anybody owns the tropes being discussed and can they be copyrighted.

But still... why did the Cleveland Indians insert images of Nicolas Cage into 39 of their lineups in 2019?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 01, 2020, 09:19:05 PM
https://www.vulture.com/2020/05/john-oliver-marble-league.html?fbclid=IwAR2cP2F4hBHKn7GHUNrAFdTIbwpAtAimmcyGJOGUnCgnz9psIal0l7NFFME
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on June 05, 2020, 10:15:05 AM
That's a marbleous idea.

Have fan gatherings in marbled halls.   Serve marbled beef.   Carl Sagan fans can support a team using "pale blue dot" marbles.   And Texas will put a new spin on "Aggies. "
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 05, 2020, 04:41:59 PM
Of course:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2894940-torii-hunter-i-had-no-trade-clause-to-red-sox-because-of-racial-slurs-in-boston
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2020, 06:26:31 PM
I'm getting a sense of nostalgia.

And Tori played most of his career in Minny

Cops on knee
can choke the life from thee
but slurs will never hurt me


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 08, 2020, 01:35:16 PM
Screw the owners, the actual folks who are impeding bringing back the game we say we love.

Don't know if anyone saw this, but Fay Vincent agrees:

Nearly 30 years later, Vincent still considers the owners politically clueless and on the wrong side of the current dispute. He’s been following the negotiations casually, not closely, but baseball’s timeless principles still apply

And that is: the players are the talent, they’re the game’s oxygen. No matter what they earn, they’re still getting ripped off.

“Over the last 25 years, there’s been this general myth that the players have done better than the owners,” Vincent said. “People think, ‘the union’s won because the players are making so much money.’ Well, the reality is the Yankees are worth $10 billion. If the Steinbrenner sold the team today, the players wouldn’t get a nickel. The players don’t own YES, they don’t own SNY, they don’t own NESN. So tell me who is the winner and who is the loser?

“George Steinbrenner bought the Yankees for $10 million. That team is one of the greatest investments in history and his family owns it all. The same is true for all the owners: after tax dollars and capital gains (tax) they’ve held onto every bit of equity.”

...Still, he’s not surprised Clark and the union are skeptical of the owners’ potential losses. The distrust dates back to the collusion cases in the 1980s, when the owners were found guilty of conspiring to avoid competitive bidding for players. They were forced to pay $280 million in damages.

Vincent has a simple translation for all that.

“The owners stole that money from the players. Stole it. There’s no other verb,” he said. “When you steal that much it’s a hard argument to deflate. It’s why the players have never trusted owners since then.”

And that leaves Vincent at the doorstep of a doomsday conclusion about where baseball is headed in 2020.

“I’m not optimistic about a deal,” he said. “I just don’t think it’s going to happen.”


https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/06/former-mlb-commissioner-warns-owners-players-union-cannot-be-broken-it-looks-like-its-1994-all-over-again.html

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 08, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
Joey Votto mans up.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/2020/06/07/cincinnati-reds-joey-votto-reacts-police-killing-george-floyd/3171105001/ (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/2020/06/07/cincinnati-reds-joey-votto-reacts-police-killing-george-floyd/3171105001/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 09, 2020, 12:36:20 PM
78 games

8 playoff teams per league.

Decision expected from players by tomorrow
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 09, 2020, 12:38:37 PM
If they say no - MLB could go with 48 games - with playoffs staying at 5 per

Players would be giving up playoff shares (for the 6 teams left out) - and prorated reg. season dollars.

Fingers crossed they wise up and say yes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 09, 2020, 06:12:01 PM
Sorry, but this whole situation is the owners' fault. And the weakass commish.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 09:22:41 AM
I dont care who you blame

Like I said - decision likely today.

I admit - I am selfish - wanna see some games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 10, 2020, 10:30:48 AM
The baseball guy in the Washington Post wrote today:

There will almost certainly be a Major League Baseball season in 2020, a reality that reflects less a strong degree of confidence in MLB and its players’ union striking an economic deal and more an acknowledgment that Commissioner Rob Manfred can essentially impose his will, with some caveats, in the absence of one. Whatever that ends up looking like, it will satisfy almost no one and infuriate many.

Link to entire article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/09/baseball-squandered-its-chance-best-case-return-now-it-is-left-with-mess/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/06/09/baseball-squandered-its-chance-best-case-return-now-it-is-left-with-mess/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 10:35:28 AM
You can't be infuriated if you had the chance to take a better deal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 10, 2020, 10:56:32 AM
You can't be infuriated if you had the chance to take a better deal.
The players already accepted that better deal. Ownership came back for more. You can be infuriated that your negotiating partner reneged on a good faith agreement about how to adjust salaries due to the pandemic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 11:30:12 AM
I haven't kept up with this issue very closely but my sense is the owners want to squeeze the players as hard as they can, get them to accept a bad deal for a very shortened (and to a meaningless) season and then hope post-season TV money bails them out of massive losses. And then regroup for 2021. The real goal seems the same: to slash labor costs and further weaken the MLBPA. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 11:36:23 AM
Owners have the hammer.  They can just say FUCK IT - we will play 48 games and have just ten playoff teams.

Seems to me this was collectively bargained.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 10, 2020, 11:49:27 AM
Owners have the hammer.  They can just say FUCK IT - we will play 48 games and have just ten playoff teams.

Seems to me this was collectively bargained.
The owners have the right to start the season when they want. The issue is the owners trying to pull back more money than they agreed.to in "good faith". But then, there has been a toxic labor relationship between the parties, which tends to color matters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 11:57:47 AM
The 48-game money is set in stone -  should a more palatable agreement not be reached.

You can post what the other is - I will certainly read it with thanks

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 12:03:33 PM
Reminder - draft tonight - 7 pm ESPN
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 12:15:44 PM
Who's got the answer?

With a shortened regular season (48, 76 games or whatever) how will the TV $ for a 162 PLUS the post-season games be reduced?

Has Fox, TBS and ESPN's negotiations been made known?  Or taken place? Is it possible owners could get 48/162 (or whatever) for the reg season games but 100% of the more valuable post-season games?

Do the owners want to pay the players proportionately for the regular season 48/162  (?) yet hope to get

1) mostly fully compensated by the TV networks for the post-season games
 
AND

2) pay players zero $ for the post-season (players have traditionally only gotten paid by playing in the post-season, and only get a modest % of the game revenues)

Again I don't know how the networks value the dovid-shortened season but its not hard to imagine a renegotiation could ultimately and knowingly unfairly under-compensate players.   

you guys got any facts or answers or ....?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 10, 2020, 12:19:20 PM


You can't be infuriated if you had the chance to take a better deal.
The players already accepted that better deal. Ownership came back for more. You can be infuriated that your negotiating partner reneged on a good faith agreement about how to adjust salaries due to the pandemic.

I totally agree with your take on this.

The players have no reason ever to consider that the owners are acting in good faith. That has been proven time and again throughout baseball history.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 10, 2020, 12:19:55 PM
Owners have the hammer.  They can just say FUCK IT - we will play 48 games and have just ten playoff teams.

Seems to me this was collectively bargained.

Seems to me the owners are using the hammer to hit themselves in the head.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 12:50:12 PM
2) pay players zero $ for the post-season (players have traditionally only gotten paid by playing in the post-season, and only get a modest % of the game revenues)


I dont think this is part of the package - no.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 12:54:55 PM
Andy Martino's view:

On Monday, owners were almost certainly willing to guarantee 75 percent of full prorated salaries, up from 50 percent in their latest proposal, according to sources. The owners have wanted this to be a negotiation ending in a compromise, and will surely be annoyed that it still is not.

But if MLB owners want to concede that point, they can have a deal quickly and begin spring training. Say 70-75 games, full prorated salaries and the expanded postseason? Maybe that's overly optimistic. But remember: No one wants 50 games. No one



https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-mlb-owners-dont-want-010359303.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 12:57:00 PM
2) pay players zero $ for the post-season (players have traditionally only gotten paid by playing in the post-season, and only get a modest % of the game revenues)


I dont think this is part of the package - no.

So the owners have proposed a proportional pay scale (ie 48/162) which accounts for just the regular season, and pay a fraction of their labor costs, but want to reap almost all the revenues of the higher rated and far more valuable post-season TV package, and which most players would not be comensated for (and there is no gate receipts for the palayers to divvy up) ?

If that's correct you might say that was unfair to the players on its face. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 12:58:10 PM
More


https://www.sny.tv/mets/news/latest-on-negotiations-for-2020-mlb-season-dynamic-between-players-and-owners-remains-angry-and-toxic/313424154
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 01:01:27 PM
2) pay players zero $ for the post-season (players have traditionally only gotten paid by playing in the post-season, and only get a modest % of the game revenues)


I dont think this is part of the package - no.

So the owners have proposed a proportional pay scale (ie 48/162) which accounts for just the regular season, and pay a fraction of their labor costs, but want to reap almost all the revenues of the higher rated and far more valuable post-season TV package, and which most players would not be comensated for (and there is no gate receipts for the palayers to divvy up) ?

If that's correct you might say that was unfair to the players on its face.

No

The owners propsed 76 games, 75% prorated pay

The fallback - which Martino says nobody wants - is 100% prorated pay but just 48 games.

Playoff teams get extra regardless but under MLB's proposal there are SIXTEEN making it, not ten.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 01:07:38 PM
Why 75% of an already pro-rated salary?

Again I think the real money is in the back end post-season TV money. and players have generally not been comped for the post-season beyond a small fractiom of the gate revs.

and there will not ba any gate this year.

On its face it sounds like an unfair proposal 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 02:11:37 PM
Let's not forget - organizations have had overhead all this time, with little/no revenue - including paying minor league salaries.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 02:13:03 PM
and there will not ba any gate this year.


Playoff shares were part of the latest proposal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 02:44:59 PM
Let's not forget - organizations have had overhead all this time, with little/no revenue - including paying minor league salaries.
All organizations and most people have fixed costs, mortgage, car payments, utilities, etc, have no revenue.

MLB teams can probably fund themselves for awhile with bank lines

Its too bad MLB teams fired a lot of their minor league players, maybe they could hire them back at a lower costs, dress them up fora few months and PLAY BALL!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 02:57:15 PM
and there will not ba any gate this year.


Playoff shares were part of the latest proposal.

I'd have to see the #s but in general for a guy making the average MLB salary of about $4MM and getting prorated (76/162) and then taking a 25% or 50% haircut

$4M X .47 pro-rate X .75 discount  = or 1.4M

last year the WS share for the Nats was $382,000

this year I'm assuming it would be lower as there will be no gate.

And I think but am not positive there is no TV money in the post-season payout.

that's the gravy the owners want to keep.

So the average guy is looking at giving up $1.4 million and maybe some post-season bonus to keep the owners solvent until 2021 and taking the health risks CV-19?

btw I could use a 25% 50% or 75% haircut.
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 05:15:53 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29290117/mlb-deal-line-owners-offers-union-counteroffers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 05:43:54 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29282383/are-closer-2020-mlb-season-answering-questions-new-76-game-proposal



How likely are the players to accept the 76-game proposal with prorated salary proposed Monday?

Rogers: Not likely, especially with the playoff caveat that would lower the amount if no postseason is played. The no draft-pick compensation is a nice carrot, but that's all it is. Bottom line: The players aren't making that much more than from the 50-game possibility that exists
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 10, 2020, 06:06:19 PM
You can't be infuriated if you had the chance to take a better deal.

Of course you can!

Look at all the voters angry with Trump when they could have voted for Clinton!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 10, 2020, 07:21:52 PM
Let's not forget - organizations have had overhead all this time, with little/no revenue - including paying minor league salaries.

Let's see their books. Oh? They won't show them to you? But they'll tell you how much they pay each player. There's the issue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 07:36:46 PM
oh.............

heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 08:22:50 PM
Let's not forget - organizations have had overhead all this time, with little/no revenue - including paying minor league salaries.

Let's see their books. Oh? They won't show them to you? But they'll tell you how much they pay each player. There's the issue.

The books are critical.

Both sets.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 08:33:20 PM
Only if you just need controversy

Sad, you are.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 10, 2020, 08:38:16 PM
From ESPN -

MLB will make another offer to players
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 10, 2020, 08:54:22 PM
Only if you just need controversy

Sad, you are.

What are you Yoda-lite?

I don't need controversy, nor want it, but as long as MLBPA doesn't trust the owners, and why should they after the years of being lied to, cheated and illegally conspired against by the owners. As long as they think the owners are short-changing them getting to yes will be a problem.

So some transparency for the players might be helpful, and yes it might cost the owners more.

Again have TV contracts been modified to reflect a shortened season? I think the players who are being asked to forgoe their contracts have a right to understand what the owners have given up and what they haven't given up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 10, 2020, 09:10:08 PM
Only if you just need controversy

Sad, you are.

What are you Yoda-lite?

I don't need controversy, nor want it, but as long as MLBPA doesn't trust the owners, and why should they after the years of being lied to, cheated and illegally conspired against by the owners. As long as they think the owners are short-changing them getting to yes will be a problem.

So some transparency for the players might be helpful, and yes it might cost the owners more.

Again have TV contracts been modified to reflect a shortened season? I think the players who are being asked to forgoe their contracts have a right to understand what the owners have given up and what they haven't given up.

Bingo!  Negotiating in good faith is not in the owners' DNA.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2020, 09:00:16 AM
Mets draft high school CF - Yanks a collegiate catcher, Red Sox interestingly go with high school middle infielder

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 11, 2020, 11:59:23 AM
Indians took Carson Tucker and Tanner Burns. Following my long standing rule of only drafting players whose names sound like a third rate screen writer's idea for a baseball player's name.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2020, 12:03:14 PM
Indians took Carson Tucker and Tanner Burns. Following my long standing rule of only drafting players whose names sound like a third rate screen writer's idea for a baseball player's name.

Tucker looks like he is 14

Burns is the "we only won 68 games" pick.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 12, 2020, 10:23:33 AM
Mets power pitching gets deeper with J T Ginn - first round talent, off TJ surgery, round 2

Van Wagonen being credited for his strategies the past 2 years (though frankly I would have taken a power arm round 1)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 12, 2020, 05:30:07 PM
Standing up for teammates in Boston:

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/kevin-youkilis-red-sox-racism-041140359.html (https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/kevin-youkilis-red-sox-racism-041140359.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 12, 2020, 05:36:14 PM
Every Astro cheated, according to Cora.

https://sports.yahoo.com/alex-cora-astros-cheating-not-213506636.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/alex-cora-astros-cheating-not-213506636.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 12, 2020, 06:01:52 PM
Joooooo-eyyyyy....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 13, 2020, 09:55:41 AM
https://theathletic.com/1870435/2020/06/12/mlbs-latest-proposal-to-players-comes-with-sharply-worded-letter-marking-ill-will/?source=weeklyemail

excerpt:
Quote
“I must have misinterpreted your June 6th letter,” Halem tells Meyer. “I thought the letter reflected a willingness on the part of the Association to discuss in good faith the economics necessary for the Office of the Commissioner to waive its right under the March Agreement to resume the 2020 season only when there are, among other things, no restrictions on fan access. After reviewing the Association’s counterproposal, I stand corrected.”

Not until the third page does Halem detail what he calls the league’s “Final Counterproposal for 72 games,” in which the players would receive 70 percent of their prorated salaries for the regular season and up to 80 percent if the postseason is completed. The financial guarantee of the offer is the rough equivalent of the guarantee the players would receive if commissioner Rob Manfred exercises his right to impose a season for as few as 48 games at full prorated salary.

If the postseason is completed, the players can earn approximately $300 million more under the league’s proposal than they would in a schedule of 50-odd games. But the union almost certainly will reject the offer because of the similarity of the guarantees and its insistence on receiving 100 percent of the players’ prorated salaries.

Though Friday’s proposal was not necessarily a final overall offer, it might well mark the last time MLB is willing to consider a season as long as 72 games. Each passing day potentially cuts into the length of the schedule, particularly given the owners’ insistence that the playoffs be completed on schedule, citing the potential for a second wave of COVID-19 in the fall and the reluctance of broadcast partners to reschedule their October postseason windows.

In his letter, Halem takes exception to what he calls, “the Association’s rhetoric that players ‘remain opposed to any further pay cuts,’” saying the players were never entitled to be paid in the first place because Manfred had the authority to suspend all contracts once President Trump declared a national emergency on March 13.

Responding to Halem, a PA spokesman said: “Mr. Halem’s self-serving letter is filled with inaccuracies and incomplete facts. We will respond to that and the league’s latest proposal in short order. It should not be forgotten however that even MLB admits that our March Agreement does not require players to agree to further pay cuts. Indeed, as Mr. Halem agreed in a May 18 letter to Tony Clark: ‘The Association is free to take the position that players are unwilling to accept further reductions.’ Pat Houlihan, MLB legal counsel, similarly acknowledged in his May 22 letter to the Players Association. ‘We agree with the Association that, under the Agreement, players are not required to accept less than their full prorated salary.’’
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2020, 08:30:42 PM
MLBPA puts season in Manfred's hands:
Playing: CBS Sports HQ (24:00:00)
As expected, the MLB Players Association has rejected Major League Baseball's latest proposal to begin the 2020 regular season. The league proposed a 72-game season at 80 percent prorated pay on Friday -- the proposal included a scathing letter -- and gave the union until Sunday to respond. The MLBPA responded a day early and officially rejected the offer Saturday.

Furthermore, MLBPA executive director Tony Clark issued a statement saying "it appears further dialogue with the league would be futile," and invited commissioner Rob Manfred to schedule however many games he sees fit. Here is Clark's statement:

"Players want to play. It's who we are and what we do. Since March, the Association has made it clear that our No.1 focus is playing the fullest season possible, as soon as possible, as safely as possible. Players agreed to billions in monetary concessions as a means to that end, and in the face of repeated media leaks and misdirection we made additional proposals to inject new revenues into the industry -- proposals that would benefit the owners, players, broadcast partners, and fans alike.

"It's now become apparent that these efforts have fallen upon deaf ears. In recent days, owners have decried the supposed unprofitability of owning a baseball team and the Commissioner has repeatedly threatened to schedule a dramatically shortened season unless players agree to hundreds of millions in further concessions. Our response has been consistent that such concessions are unwarranted, would be fundamentally unfair to players, and that our sport deserves the fullest 2020 season possible. These remain our positions today, particularly in light of new reports regarding MLB's national television rights -- information we requested from the league weeks ago but were never provided.


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlbpa-rejects-latest-proposal-tells-mlb-to-schedule-the-season-and-tell-us-when-and-where/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlbpa-rejects-latest-proposal-tells-mlb-to-schedule-the-season-and-tell-us-when-and-where/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 13, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
"it appears further dialogue with the league would be futile," ...
.



Ya think?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 13, 2020, 08:56:23 PM
If only that ball that Clark hit in Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS didn't hop the fence......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2020, 09:25:26 PM
"it appears further dialogue with the league would be futile," ...
.



Ya think?

heh

The owners never wanted to settle. They want the public to think the players are greedy. Real fans know who to blame for this debacle.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 13, 2020, 09:42:04 PM
"Real fans". I've heard that here before. It was usually "real fans" prefer the National League.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 13, 2020, 09:56:37 PM
The owners never wanted to settle.


uh... wrong

They continued to better their offer - the last time without first getting a counter from players

Players drew a firm line in the sand

Play ball!

Or fucking strike if you want.

I couldn't give 2 shits right now

Youth/college baseball - u bet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2020, 10:02:17 PM
The owners never wanted to settle.


uh... wrong

They continued to better their offer - the last time without first getting a counter from players

Players drew a firm line in the sand

Play ball!

Or fucking strike if you want.

I couldn't give 2 shits right now

Youth/college baseball - u bet.
Uh... wrong.

Here's why: https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/06/major-league-baseball-labor-fight-dont-blame-the-players-its-ownership-blocking-start-of-2020-season-matt-vautour.html (https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/06/major-league-baseball-labor-fight-dont-blame-the-players-its-ownership-blocking-start-of-2020-season-matt-vautour.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 13, 2020, 10:03:37 PM
How about you just tell us

Use your words, big boy..
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 13, 2020, 10:57:03 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/13/sports/mlb-strikes-billion-dollar-tv-deal-with-turner-sports-report-says/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/13/sports/mlb-strikes-billion-dollar-tv-deal-with-turner-sports-report-says/)


Just as the talks between Major League Baseball players and owners are reaching a crescendo of bickering and disagreement, along came a New York Post report Saturday afternoon that could not have been more poorly timed — for the owners.

The Post reported that MLB has wrapped up a deal worth a billion dollars with Turner Sports to extend a playoff package that includes one of the league championship series.

After a week in which one owner, Bill DeWitt Jr. of the Cardinals, told a St. Louis radio station that “the [baseball] industry isn’t very profitable,” the reported new deal also comes not long before prolonged negotiations between the owners and players are expected to wrap up.

Reaction from players was swift and sarcastic.

From Trevor Bauer of the Reds: “Oh good so ... we can play now, right? Seems there is plenty to go around here. Seems there is plenty of money being made by the league and the teams. Given tha(t) players are the product, I’m sure some of this can be distributed to them, right? Yay for baseball.”


What was I saying about how the MLBPA didn't trust the owners and some transparency might help?

Oops.


Only if you just need controversy

Sad, you are.

What are you Yoda-lite?

I don't need controversy, nor want it, but as long as MLBPA doesn't trust the owners, and why should they after the years of being lied to, cheated and illegally conspired against by the owners. As long as they think the owners are short-changing them getting to yes will be a problem.

So some transparency for the players might be helpful, and yes it might cost the owners more.

Again have TV contracts been modified to reflect a shortened season? I think the players who are being asked to forgoe their contracts have a right to understand what the owners have given up and what they haven't given up.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 13, 2020, 11:04:38 PM
If only that ball that Clark hit in Game 4 of the 2004 ALCS didn't hop the fence......

You got off lucky, if his one big hit as a Yankee rolls into the corner, he's even money to be Yankee manager.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 14, 2020, 12:54:44 AM
From Trevor Bauer of the Reds: “Oh good so ... we can play now, right? Seems there is plenty to go around here. Seems there is plenty of money being made by the league and the teams. Given tha(t) players are the product, I’m sure some of this can be distributed to them, right? Yay for baseball.”



I love Trevor Bauer


Trevor Bauer is a dolt.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 14, 2020, 02:50:00 PM
“We are disappointed that the MLBPA has chosen not to negotiate in good faith over resumption of play after MLB has made three successive proposals that would provide players, Clubs and our fans with an amicable resolution to a very difficult situation caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. The MLBPA understands that the agreement reached on March 26th was premised on the parties’ mutual understanding that the players would be paid their full salaries only if play resumed in front of fans, and that another negotiation was to take place if Clubs could not generate the billions of dollars of ticket revenue required to pay players. The MLBPA’s position that players are entitled to virtually all the revenue from a 2020 season played without fans is not fair to the thousands of other baseball employees that Clubs and our office are supporting financially during this very difficult 2020 season. We will evaluate the Union’s refusal to adhere to the terms of the March Agreement, and after consulting with ownership, determine the best course to bring baseball back to our fans.”




-  Office of Major League Baseball
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 15, 2020, 04:57:12 AM
“We are disappointed that the MLBPA has chosen not to negotiate in good faith over resumption of play after MLB has made three successive proposals that would provide players, Clubs and our fans with an amicable resolution to a very difficult situation caused by the COVID-19 pandemic. The MLBPA understands that the agreement reached on March 26th was premised on the parties’ mutual understanding that the players would be paid their full salaries only if play resumed in front of fans, and that another negotiation was to take place if Clubs could not generate the billions of dollars of ticket revenue required to pay players. The MLBPA’s position that players are entitled to virtually all the revenue from a 2020 season played without fans is not fair to the thousands of other baseball employees that Clubs and our office are supporting financially during this very difficult 2020 season. We will evaluate the Union’s refusal to adhere to the terms of the March Agreement, and after consulting with ownership, determine the best course to bring baseball back to our fans.”




-  Office of Major League Baseball

They are nothing, if not consistent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 15, 2020, 10:56:34 AM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/13/sports/mlb-strikes-billion-dollar-tv-deal-with-turner-sports-report-says/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/13/sports/mlb-strikes-billion-dollar-tv-deal-with-turner-sports-report-says/)


Just as the talks between Major League Baseball players and owners are reaching a crescendo of bickering and disagreement, along came a New York Post report Saturday afternoon that could not have been more poorly timed — for the owners.

The Post reported that MLB has wrapped up a deal worth a billion dollars with Turner Sports to extend a playoff package that includes one of the league championship series.

After a week in which one owner, Bill DeWitt Jr. of the Cardinals, told a St. Louis radio station that “the [baseball] industry isn’t very profitable,” the reported new deal also comes not long before prolonged negotiations between the owners and players are expected to wrap up.

Reaction from players was swift and sarcastic.

From Trevor Bauer of the Reds: “Oh good so ... we can play now, right? Seems there is plenty to go around here. Seems there is plenty of money being made by the league and the teams. Given tha(t) players are the product, I’m sure some of this can be distributed to them, right? Yay for baseball.”


What was I saying about how the MLBPA didn't trust the owners and some transparency might help?

Oops.


Only if you just need controversy

Sad, you are.

What are you Yoda-lite?

I don't need controversy, nor want it, but as long as MLBPA doesn't trust the owners, and why should they after the years of being lied to, cheated and illegally conspired against by the owners. As long as they think the owners are short-changing them getting to yes will be a problem.

So some transparency for the players might be helpful, and yes it might cost the owners more.

Again have TV contracts been modified to reflect a shortened season? I think the players who are being asked to forgoe their contracts have a right to understand what the owners have given up and what they haven't given up.

Excellent points.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 15, 2020, 11:39:50 AM
Yankee sign-stealing could damage Joe Girardi's reputation.

https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 15, 2020, 01:03:33 PM
Yankee sign-stealing could damage Joe Girardi's reputation.

https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html)

"And we eventually caught it" would have made far more sense had he not started that explanation with, "I was part of a system..."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 15, 2020, 01:05:31 PM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/06/resolving-this-player-owner-dispute-should-be-easy.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 15, 2020, 02:41:59 PM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/06/resolving-this-player-owner-dispute-should-be-easy.html

"should"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 15, 2020, 03:35:07 PM
Yankee sign-stealing could damage Joe Girardi's reputation.

https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html)

"And we eventually caught it" would have made far more sense had he not started that explanation with, "I was part of a system..."

Well, maybe it was with the Cubs. Or the Rockies. Or with Tony LaRussa--famed cheater.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 15, 2020, 07:08:56 PM
Yankee sign-stealing could damage Joe Girardi's reputation.

https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-joe-girardi-stands-to-be-biggest-loser-in-new-yankees-sign-stealing-scandal-opinion.html)

"And we eventually caught it" would have made far more sense had he not started that explanation with, "I was part of a system..."

Well, maybe it was with the Cubs. Or the Rockies. Or with Tony LaRussa--famed cheater.

Yup. No idea which team Girardi was with when he was a part of the system, at least from the snippet shown.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 16, 2020, 12:44:04 PM
Trevor Bauer kicks Manfred's Selig-trained ass!

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-players-are-livid-after-commissioner-rob-manfreds-latest-power-play-220023959.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-players-are-livid-after-commissioner-rob-manfreds-latest-power-play-220023959.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 16, 2020, 12:55:53 PM
Wilponomics!

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/06/mets-looking-for-financial-lifeline-to-avoid-selling-club-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/06/mets-looking-for-financial-lifeline-to-avoid-selling-club-during-coronavirus-pandemic.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 16, 2020, 05:45:04 PM
Play ball!


https://www.nj.com/highschoolsports/2020/06/last-dance-baseball-tourney-adds-special-venues-entries-soar-to-new-heights.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 16, 2020, 07:34:49 PM
I like Tony Clark

https://twitter.com/MLBPA_News/status/1272659761155248131

but this does not help
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 16, 2020, 07:51:05 PM
I like Tony Clark

https://twitter.com/MLBPA_News/status/1272659761155248131

but this does not help

Yeah, just shut up and let Manfred do it the way he wants to, Tony! None of this standing up for the players crap.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 16, 2020, 08:04:15 PM
I'd rather have a labor guy for the MLBPA.  I think the owners and Manfred believe they can roll Clark.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 16, 2020, 09:42:15 PM
Yeah, just shut up and let Manfred do it the way he wants to, Tony! None of this standing up for the players crap.


Well, no - they declined all the Manfred overtures.  But did agree to a season - of any length - at full prorated pay

Now the player's mantra is "tell us when and where" (we hear you, Mike Trout)

- but of course this would be followed by a player driven lawsuit.

Ball in MLB's court - yes - though 22 of 30 owners would need to say yes.


- Likely result?  64-72 game season or no baseball at all.  Matters not to me.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 16, 2020, 09:47:44 PM
Yeah, just shut up and let Manfred do it the way he wants to, Tony! None of this standing up for the players crap.


Well, no - they declined all the Manfred overtures.

That's what Manfred says. It's not what they say.

You may not care, but you sure seem to have chosen a side.

I care if they play, but I have less say about that than I do about police reform in the US.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 16, 2020, 10:13:56 PM
That's what Manfred says. It's not what they say.


uh... what?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 16, 2020, 11:46:50 PM
That's what Manfred says. It's not what they say.


uh... what?

Perhaps in your urge to bash Mr. Clark you failed to understand that the MLBPA feels that Mr. Manfred has gone back on his word from March. To the players, Mr. Manfred's claims are deceitful. To Mr. Manfred, the players' position is wrong.

You keep painting this as if the players are the ones screwing up. It's pretty unclear, but as has been pointed out multiple times the owners have a track record of deceit in negotiations. This doesn't mean the players are angels, but it does mean one must look twice at what the owners claim.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 17, 2020, 12:02:46 AM
You keep painting this as if the players are the ones screwing up.


The players don't owe me anything

They can reflect at the proper time on if they did themselves right or wrong.



Needing to beat the owners may not be a productive mentality.  I am sure many players are shaking their heads.  It just isn't publicized.



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Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 17, 2020, 12:47:47 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/georgia-clayton-county-teens-police-video/index.html


Excellent police work

Ridiculous CNN headline
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 17, 2020, 04:38:07 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/georgia-clayton-county-teens-police-video/index.html


Excellent police work

Ridiculous CNN headline

And the wrong forum. But I posted the video of it in the right one, already.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 17, 2020, 10:18:41 PM
Ford Frick put an asterisk on 61

Baseball fans will put one on 60*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 08:21:46 AM
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/signs-of-progress-for-baseball-mlb-offers-60-game-schedule-full-prorated-pay-2020-06-17?mod=home-page (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/signs-of-progress-for-baseball-mlb-offers-60-game-schedule-full-prorated-pay-2020-06-17?mod=home-page)

Owners remain on the hook for this debacle.

The story of this extended offseason should be titled "Hidden Figures" for the way MLB continues to cook and hide its books.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 18, 2020, 12:26:12 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 01:03:30 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 18, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Unless it is Philadelphia maybe? Because if it is Cleveland winning it all your asterisk can go directly up your... asterisk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 02:08:38 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Unless it is Philadelphia maybe? Because if it is Cleveland winning it all your asterisk can go directly up your... asterisk.

You have punctuated your remarks with negativity.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 18, 2020, 02:26:04 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Unless it is Philadelphia maybe? Because if it is Cleveland winning it all your asterisk can go directly up your... asterisk.

You have punctuated your remarks with negativity.
Really? Looks like a period to me, although I also used a question mark and elipses.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 02:35:12 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Unless it is Philadelphia maybe? Because if it is Cleveland winning it all your asterisk can go directly up your... asterisk.

You have punctuated your remarks with negativity.
Really? Looks like a period to me, although I also used a question mark and elipses.

Your blue period.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 18, 2020, 02:39:16 PM
60* games 16 teams competing for the WS.

Hmm, excepting the lost 94 money losing regular season games, this could be 1960!


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 02:45:56 PM
60* games 16 teams competing for the WS.

Hmm, excepting the lost 94 money losing regular season games, this could be 1960!

More like 1981.*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_strike (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_strike)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 05:24:41 PM
 Chris "Lapdog" Russo, Rob Manfred's golfing buddy, is ranting at players again.

Chris is upset that some players, in his mind, are "overpaid". Divorced from the Lapdog's "analysis" is how much money the owners take in, AND the fact that he gets paid great sums of money adding "value" to our society by talking about sports.

Poor Chris from New Canaan, who also "works" on MLB TV/Radio. He's becoming the Sean Hannity of sports talk.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 18, 2020, 05:45:31 PM
60* games 16 teams competing for the WS.

Hmm, excepting the lost 94 money losing regular season games, this could be 1960!

More like 1981.*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_strike (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_strike)

There's no strike this year, not yet, and I was going for the 16 team competing for a WS.

Owners reportedly pissed that the players countered with 70 games to their 60-game proposal. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 18, 2020, 06:21:27 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Unless it is Philadelphia maybe? Because if it is Cleveland winning it all your asterisk can go directly up your... asterisk.

You have punctuated your remarks with negativity.
Really? Looks like a period to me, although I also used a question mark and elipses.

We were just discussing the solar elipses in tother forum!

And any final sentence that is discussing Cleveland's winning it all has to be considered positivity, not negativity! Downright ebullient optimism!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 18, 2020, 07:30:45 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Unless it is Philadelphia maybe? Because if it is Cleveland winning it all your asterisk can go directly up your... asterisk.

You have punctuated your remarks with negativity.
Really? Looks like a period to me, although I also used a question mark and elipses.

We were just discussing the solar elipses in tother forum!

And any final sentence that is discussing Cleveland's winning it all has to be considered positivity, not negativity! Downright ebullient optimism!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f1OCE3fh2dg

It is like college football, where each year I expect two things: Michigan State to win the National Championship, and crushing personal disappointment.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 18, 2020, 08:26:13 PM
Owners reportedly pissed that the players countered with 70 games to their 60-game proposal.



uhhhh, yeah

10 games poorer

But if these games (70) fit into the time frame MLB was OK with from the start - let's go.

Anything making the playoffs end after 10/27 is problematic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 18, 2020, 09:34:42 PM
Owners reportedly pissed that the players countered with 70 games to their 60-game proposal.



uhhhh, yeah

10 games poorer

But if these games (70) fit into the time frame MLB was OK with from the start - let's go.

Anything making the playoffs end after 10/27 is problematic.

maybe, maybe not.

No one other than the owners have seen the books and sources of income so taking their word on the magnitude of financial damage done is problematic.

There could be a single season impact (loss or lower profitability) but to perhaps if the owners extend themselves this year and save the baseball season, futire years may rebound/recover. There's also the PR fall-out that has been mostly in the favor of the players that they could squelch.

And they could recapture a sports starved public rather than just flip them the finger.

if  the owners can play 60 games they can probably afford 70, seeing as most have billions in baseball-related equity to call upon to protect their investments.

And playing 70 rather than 60 gives them 10 more games to build excitement for the post-season.

not my money though.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 10:55:45 PM
60* games 16 teams competing for the WS.

Hmm, excepting the lost 94 money losing regular season games, this could be 1960!

More like 1981.*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_strike (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Major_League_Baseball_strike)

There's no strike this year, not yet, and I was going for the 16 team competing for a WS.

Owners reportedly pissed that the players countered with 70 games to their 60-game proposal.

I was seeing a parallel in a shortened season with fear and loathing and discord attached to prime actors. Plus, teams got into the playoffs that didn't belong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 18, 2020, 10:55:59 PM
MLB owners are so upset by the players’ counterproposal — which is said for about $300M more — that no response is expected to be immediate. Time is obviously getting short so hopefully it’s not too long, of course.



- Heyman
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 10:56:41 PM
16 team playoffs

DH in both leagues

Seems players will now push for similar agreement but with more games.

AD SPACE to be sold on MLB uniforms as part of agreement (I'd think somewhat similar to NBA, not NASCAR)

So, if the 60 games brought you 16 teams in the play-offs last season, the Nats don't even make the play-offs, and certainly don't become World Champions.

Yes, it will be the 2020* season.
Unless it is Philadelphia maybe? Because if it is Cleveland winning it all your asterisk can go directly up your... asterisk.

You have punctuated your remarks with negativity.
Really? Looks like a period to me, although I also used a question mark and elipses.

We were just discussing the solar elipses in tother forum!

And any final sentence that is discussing Cleveland's winning it all has to be considered positivity, not negativity! Downright ebullient optimism!

Ahhhh... Mr. Sunshine!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2020, 11:02:32 PM
No one other than the owners have seen the books and sources of income so taking their word on the magnitude of financial damage done is problematic.

At best. Given the owners' history, they're simply utterly not to be believed.

Given that their commissioner has shown the propensity to bend rules and consort with criminals in order to get his way, he's not to be believed, either.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 19, 2020, 12:03:16 AM
Utterly not to be believed

a nicely appropriate phrase

heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 19, 2020, 09:27:06 AM
https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/06/mlb-rumors-ex-red-sox-slugger-david-ortiz-issued-restraining-order-in-dominican-republic-report-says.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/06/mlb-rumors-ex-red-sox-slugger-david-ortiz-issued-restraining-order-in-dominican-republic-report-says.html)

Is he still on the 'roids?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 19, 2020, 05:10:45 PM
Corona outbreak for first MLB organization.

UPDATE (2:16 p.m.): ESPN’s Jeff Passan reports “the Toronto Blue Jays on Thursday shut down their spring training facility in Dunedin, Fla., after a player exhibited COVID-19 symptoms, sources tell ESPN. Dunedin is just up the road from Clearwater, where eight people in the Philadelphia Phillies organization tested positive. The Blue Jays player exhibiting the symptoms is a pitcher on the 40-man roster who recently had spent time with players in the Phillies’ minor leagues system, according to sources. He has been tested for COVID-19 and is awaiting results.”

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-dealing-with-coronavirus-outbreak-at-florida-spring-training-facility.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/06/mlb-rumors-phillies-dealing-with-coronavirus-outbreak-at-florida-spring-training-facility.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 19, 2020, 08:16:20 PM
MLB moves toward cancelling season.  Will not consider anything beyond 60 games.  Taking the weekend to finalize their next action.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2020, 01:28:15 PM
It sounds like with Covid still spreading, players getting infected, and the players/owners still squabbling, there might not be baseball this year.

I wonder if the owners have business interuption insurance to cover losses in the event... and what the deductible might be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 20, 2020, 02:01:23 PM
MLB moves toward cancelling season.  Will not consider anything beyond 60 games.  Taking the weekend to finalize their next action.

Those greedy, greedy players, wanting to play more baseball!

The nerve.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2020, 02:16:30 PM
I wonder if the owners have business interuption insurance to cover losses in the event... and what the deductible might be.




They do not
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2020, 02:55:46 PM
I wonder if the owners have business interuption insurance to cover losses in the event... and what the deductible might be.




They do not

Do you have a source, because doing a real quick google search turned up nada, except one longish artice which brings up the subject which suggests it could be contested by insurers and the insured whether Covid-19 qualifies as a triggering event.

https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/sports-organizations-consider-these-20045 (https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/sports-organizations-consider-these-20045)

In the United States, the New York Department of Financial Services issued a letter calling for insurers to explain “whether contamination related to a pandemic may constitute ‘physical damage or loss’” and to “describe what type of damage or loss is sufficient for coverage under the policy.” Several US state commissioners for insurance have made statements encouraging insurer flexibility.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2020, 03:29:08 PM
Sorry - only source is my memory

It was being discussed when the issue was money and the Olympic Games - at which time they said IOC organizers were smart enough to have pandemic protection where major sports leagues did not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2020, 04:46:35 PM
NP-can't find anything definitive but it seems claims would be contested by insurers (big surprise) even if BI insurance was in place by teams.


Whether MLB opens the 2020 season or not, they will likely be able to use changes in the tax law due to CARE Act to use NOLs to carryback 5-years and offset taxes in prior years.

As an aside, and with the proviso I'm not a tax guy or accountant, but its possible that a lot of '20 expenses may be non-cash (depreciation, amortization, write-downs) and a postive cash-flow could be generated in that $100 in NOLs could generate up to $35 in federal tax refunds. So its conceivable not playing baseball could be a net cash-flow positive event. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2020, 05:00:13 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-mets-new-york-spring-training
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2020, 05:03:28 PM
MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred and union executive Tony Clark have also been at odds over plans to restart the season. Manfred has been locked in on a 60-game regular season over fears that a second wave would impact the back end of the already shortened season. Clark is asking for 10 games more.

I told him 70 games was simply impossible given the calendar and the public health situation, and he went ahead and made that proposal anyway,” Manfred said Thursday.





Clark needs to go
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 20, 2020, 05:22:17 PM
Its called negotiating.

I haven't followed this closely, but Clark got you 10 more games than MLB originally wanted to play at full pro-rate pay.

IMO the owners concern about health seems contrary to their wishes about exposing more teams to a possible 2nd CV wave.

Its the heftier post-season dough that has traditionally been off limits to players.

owners want that payout for themselves.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 20, 2020, 05:35:58 PM
Owners make more money at 60, given other provisions - than they would have at 50.

But sure - call it a win for Clark

Seems he may not take it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 20, 2020, 07:14:46 PM
Owners make more money at 60, given other provisions - than they would have at 50.

But sure - call it a win for Clark

Seems he may not take it.

Seems like if he doesn't, Manfred will order it regardless.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2896983-report-rob-manfred-expected-to-mandate-2020-season-if-mlbpa-rejects-proposal?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 21, 2020, 01:18:46 PM
Players Association vote today on latest MLB proposal.

38 votes.  20 yeah needed.  But the 8 members of committee all expected to be nays.  Thus 20 of the 30 team votes will be needed for approval.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 21, 2020, 03:07:53 PM
Players Association vote today on latest MLB proposal.

38 votes.  20 yeah needed.  But the 8 members of committee all expected to be nays.  Thus 20 of the 30 team votes will be needed for approval.

The yeah vote - a form of grudging agreement, not to be confused with a "yea" vote.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 21, 2020, 06:22:57 PM
No vote today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 21, 2020, 06:31:26 PM
Players Association vote today on latest MLB proposal.

38 votes.  20 yeah needed.  But the 8 members of committee all expected to be nays.  Thus 20 of the 30 team votes will be needed for approval.

The yeah vote - a form of grudging agreement, not to be confused with a "yea" vote.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 22, 2020, 08:49:32 PM
In astonishing news...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2897248-mlbpa-reportedly-rejects-mlbs-60-game-restart-proposal-in-union-vote?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 22, 2020, 09:26:01 PM
Hey big man Trout - hey - Bauer the clown -

what happened to "tell us when and where?"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 22, 2020, 09:29:18 PM
Why does somebody who professes to not caring if there's baseball this season take the time to cyber trash-talk?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 22, 2020, 10:37:35 PM
Hey big man Trout - hey - Bauer the clown -

what happened to "tell us when and where?"

That's what's going to happen.

Nu?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 22, 2020, 10:50:45 PM
I sense kids not a union man.

you take 16 swings

and what do you get

fat-cat owners who want a tame pet.

Oh Manfred wants 60 but we need more

If we say no he shows us the door
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 23, 2020, 11:20:11 AM
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/alex-rodriguez-jennifer-lopez-mike-repole-mets

Arod and JLo buying the Mets?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 23, 2020, 01:22:54 PM
Hey big man Trout - hey - Bauer the clown -

what happened to "tell us when and where?"

That's what's going to happen.

Nu?

Not yet it's not

Bauer turned on the union today...nice to see

I'd love to know which teams had the YES votes.

Time for soccer (first US sport back) and hockey.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 23, 2020, 02:01:32 PM
https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/alex-rodriguez-jennifer-lopez-mike-repole-mets

Arod and JLo buying the Mets?!

ARod wants an opt-out clause and about $2 billion of OPM.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 23, 2020, 05:32:54 PM
Happy to see a third group looking to buy Mets

2 brothers worth combined 14 bil.

Bye,rod!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 24, 2020, 12:28:45 AM
As predicted:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/23/us/mlb-2020-season-spt-trnd/index.html

Baseball will resume on July 23 or 24, Manfred says. 60 games. Players will report to their teams by July 1. "Spring" training will be conducted in their home parks, not Florida/Arizona. As previously discussed, regional play (NLE vs. ALE). And DH for both leagues "for health reasons."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 24, 2020, 03:17:42 PM
Have to say it. Manfred is a horrible commish.





Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 24, 2020, 05:45:56 PM
60*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 24, 2020, 06:02:54 PM
60*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 24, 2020, 06:31:58 PM
So playing just the AL E (I assume 40 games) and the NL E (20 games) should mean some fairly stiff comp for the shortened season with the Ys, Rays, Sox, Nats, Braves, Mets and Phils being in general "good teams".

I wonder how long the season will be before CV hits the clubhouses hard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 24, 2020, 07:19:47 PM
Free agent games planned for Nashville Sounds stadium.

Players will make $400 per week and be keeping in shape if MLB teams need a player

What I find interesting is the trade season soon to be upon us.  How many sellers do we see right off the bat - with the intent of gaining back lost revenue?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on June 24, 2020, 08:42:46 PM
All games should be outdoors.  Are there still teams who play in a dome with no retractable roof?  The twins? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 24, 2020, 08:51:28 PM
All games should be outdoors.  Are there still teams who play in a dome with no retractable roof?  The twins?
Tampa's roof isn't retractable. Minnesota doesn't have a roof.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on June 24, 2020, 08:55:45 PM
All games should be outdoors. 
Tampa's roof isn't retractable.

Then it's foolish to play there.
Pick an outdoor ballpark in the vicinity.
There are many.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 25, 2020, 10:28:50 AM
Another "sun kills virus" voice heard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 25, 2020, 11:15:36 AM
Another "sun kills virus" voice heard.

No.

Another "open air diffuses the virus more than a closed space does" voice heard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 25, 2020, 11:37:27 AM
So with NY state imposing a 14 day quarantine on travelers from high-risk states that have not bent the curve like a Koufax 12-to-6 hook, how is it going to work with Rays and Marlins playing against the Ys and Mets. Is MLB going to get a special consideration? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 25, 2020, 11:50:41 AM
Was wondering the same thing.  I'm still very skeptical that there's going to be baseball this year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 25, 2020, 12:42:16 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/25/sport/positive-coronavirus-tests-red-sox-tigers-mariners-spt/index.html

Plus Rockies and Blue Jays, I believe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 25, 2020, 12:48:01 PM
Always a chance restrictions lifted by that time - but yes, since players are being tested it also could be that Rays players can play in NY anyway.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 25, 2020, 12:48:35 PM
Responding to YG

Yup. So it may be a moot point.  Covid is nasty and insidious and has little regard or respect for our national pastime. I'm pretty sure its a Phillies fan.

I can see delays and covid-postponements, (like rain-outs, but with coughs, but no highlights of the seasons past to kill time). But 60 games or 6, somehow the owners will manage to justify and play the post-season.

   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 25, 2020, 12:57:36 PM
Always a chance restrictions lifted by that time - but yes, since players are being tested it also could be that Rays players can play in NY anyway.

Trump could just issue an executive order banning testing and declaring the disease over.

IMO since crowds are irrelevant perhaps it would be advantageous for the Marlins and Rays to relocate north for the summer months and get the fuck out of covid-rampant Florida and move to a bluer state that practiced some self-control and regard for public health and safety and closed down to bend the Uncle Charlie.

For example, there's an empty stadium in Pawtucket that could accomodate a MLB team like, the Blue Jays, who might need to relocate out of Canada.

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 25, 2020, 02:18:42 PM

For example, there's an empty stadium in Pawtucket that could accomodate a MLB team like, the Blue Jays, who might need to relocate out of Canada.

https://www.wpri.com/sports/red-sox/red-sox-plan-to-use-mccoy-stadium-for-taxi-squad-players-to-train/

And I was thinking that TB or Miami would be better for McCoy, anyway... Miami's average home attendance was lower than McCoy's seating! (They're the only ones. TB was next, but 40% bigger.)

There are a few others that would work, especially if you included the Mexican League!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 25, 2020, 04:04:09 PM
Another "sun kills virus" voice heard.

NO, the sun won't kill the virus, but the virus could kill your son. Mask up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 25, 2020, 04:13:43 PM
Responding to YG

Yup. So it may be a moot point.  Covid is nasty and insidious and has little regard or respect for our national pastime. I'm pretty sure its a Phillies fan.

I can see delays and covid-postponements, (like rain-outs, but with coughs, but no highlights of the seasons past to kill time). But 60 games or 6, somehow the owners will manage to justify and play the post-season.

 


Meanwhile...

https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/articles/2020-06-25/phillie-phanatic-mr-met-mlb-mascots-now-permitted-in-parks (https://www.usnews.com/news/sports/articles/2020-06-25/phillie-phanatic-mr-met-mlb-mascots-now-permitted-in-parks)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on June 25, 2020, 10:26:18 PM
Another "sun kills virus" voice heard.

It's not about the sun, it's about the open air being a safer environment than being inside the circulated air of a dome.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on June 25, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
"I think the intent at some point is to get the fans back in the ballpark.” - Astros Owner - Jim Crane

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/astros-rangers-white-sox-want-fans-in-seats-during-mlb-season/ (https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/astros-rangers-white-sox-want-fans-in-seats-during-mlb-season/)

The league is reportedly leaving it up to individual teams to decide if fans are permitted in stadiums.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 26, 2020, 01:53:37 AM
Another "sun kills virus" voice heard.

It's not about the sun, it's about the open air being a safer environment than being inside the circulated air of a dome.

I doubt he can hear you any better than he could hear me, but we can hope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on June 26, 2020, 03:04:50 PM
Another "sun kills virus" voice heard.

It's not about the sun, it's about the open air being a safer environment than being inside the circulated air of a dome.

I doubt he can hear you any better than he could hear me, but we can hope.

His post, though incorrect, leads me to wonder if they will even bother with day games.  With a limited # of games i would guess that evening games would be best to maximize ratings and revenue.

On a related note, was there any thought to playing doubleheaders to get the number of games up past 60?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 26, 2020, 03:16:42 PM
Another "sun kills virus" voice heard.

It's not about the sun, it's about the open air being a safer environment than being inside the circulated air of a dome.

I doubt he can hear you any better than he could hear me, but we can hope.

His post, though incorrect, leads me to wonder if they will even bother with day games.  With a limited # of games i would guess that evening games would be best to maximize ratings and revenue.

On a related note, was there any thought to playing doubleheaders to get the number of games up past 60?

I thought about it. I think it would be great. I'm not sure why with a start date of July 23 or 24 they've decided upon 60 games vs. more, even with days off. Seasons have ended on October 2nd pretty recently - that would give 71 or 72 days.

One could have 4 days off scheduled and add an additional home and home within one's division - 12 against each division opponent instead of 10. Toss in a couple planned double-headers and a couple extra rest days.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 26, 2020, 05:29:00 PM
Not that simple to just change the end date to 10/2.

MLB gave the framework on dates.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 26, 2020, 06:12:35 PM
Not that simple to just change the end date to 10/2.

MLB gave the framework on dates.

It's that simple, Kid.

It only takes volition.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 26, 2020, 06:21:40 PM
Players fucked the fans (and themselves) out of expanded playoffs ($$), All Star Game and HR Derby.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 26, 2020, 06:23:24 PM
Players fucked the fans (and themselves) out of expanded playoffs ($$), All Star Game and HR Derby.

You say that as if Manfred could not have just ordered those things to happen.

You sure have a hard-on for the players and support for the owners that is not matched by the history of the owners.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 26, 2020, 06:33:40 PM
What to do about Fenway?

Fenway Park could become the next epicenter of racial injustice protests in American sports


https://sports.yahoo.com/fenway-park-could-become-the-next-epicenter-of-racial-injustice-protests-in-american-sports-172524048.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/fenway-park-could-become-the-next-epicenter-of-racial-injustice-protests-in-american-sports-172524048.html)


I'm hard pressed to believe that this only happens at Fenway Park. 

Still, MLB has to make sure that it meets this head on.

Further thoughts from Adam Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_bk7Sdl4zU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_bk7Sdl4zU)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 26, 2020, 06:59:52 PM
You say that as if Manfred could not have just ordered those things to happen.



correct
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 26, 2020, 07:15:49 PM
You say that as if Manfred could not have just ordered those things to happen.



correct

Hell, Roger Goodell could have ordered them done!

But the reason we have the season we have ahead of us is because Manfred mandated it. He could have taken care of the others, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 26, 2020, 07:17:20 PM
Fenway should ban racist assholes and trolls and make sure the ban sticks.

Perhaps they can take a page fom Elba. Once someone is IDed for repeated reprehensible anti-social behavior here, the repeating offender gets banned. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 26, 2020, 07:20:45 PM
Fenway should ban racist assholes and trolls and make sure they ban sticks.

Perhaps they can take a page fom Elba. Once someone is IDed for repeated reprehensible anti-social behavior here, the repeating offender gets banned.

We haven't banned the racist assholes and trolls. And our ability to make the ban stick is... variable.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 26, 2020, 07:27:19 PM
Fenway should ban racist assholes and trolls and make sure they ban sticks.

Perhaps they can take a page fom Elba. Once someone is IDed for repeated reprehensible anti-social behavior here, the repeating offender gets banned.

We haven't banned the racist assholes and trolls. And our ability to make the ban stick is... variable.

I didn't say that racist assholes have been banned here, but trolls who have repeated vile anti-social behavior have been banned. I suggested that Fenway ban racists.

And I understand that certain situations may be beyond Elbanese administrative control and outcomes can be... variable.

Or someone forgot to close the back door.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 26, 2020, 09:21:55 PM
https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/the-part-of-fan-free-baseball-nobody-is-talking-about (https://weei.radio.com/blogs/rob-bradford/the-part-of-fan-free-baseball-nobody-is-talking-about)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 26, 2020, 10:31:25 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/06/23/trevor-bauer-aubrey-huff-mlb-twitter-fight/3241926001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/06/23/trevor-bauer-aubrey-huff-mlb-twitter-fight/3241926001/)

This reminds me of some folks here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 27, 2020, 01:05:43 PM
Earlier this month, CBS Sports reported that the Texas Rangers had become the first known Major League Baseball team to bring workers back into the office -- and had done so despite surging COVID-19 cases in Tarrant County. Not even two weeks have passed, yet CBS Sports can confirm a report by ESPN's Jeff Passan that "several members" of the organization have tested positive for the coronavirus in recent days, according to an internal announcement.

CBS Sports has since obtained and reviewed the internal memo issued to Rangers employees on June 11, days before the mandate to come back went into effect.

The memo, entitled "Front Office Re-Opening Guidelines," does not explicitly require employees to return to the office, but the section on remote work leaves little room for interpretation. "We are excited to invite everyone back to work," the memo reads. "Remote work may be offered depending on the circumstances to employees who have child care issues or who have a medical condition and are in need of an accommodation."

The memo then identifies an employee in the human resources department to contact for "approval of that request," indicating two things: 1) returning to the office is not a voluntary arrangement; and 2) the team is retaining the right to deny requests as it sees fit...

The Rangers are located in Arlington, Texas, which is part of Tarrant County. According to the government's data, more than 3,300 infections have been reported since the Rangers reopened their offices. Tarrant County as a whole has set a new weekly record for infections in three consecutive weeks. Nearly half of its 10,000 total cases have been recorded during that time.


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/several-rangers-employees-test-positive-for-covid-19-less-than-two-weeks-after-mandate-to-return-to/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/several-rangers-employees-test-positive-for-covid-19-less-than-two-weeks-after-mandate-to-return-to/)

Another example of ownership's commitment to $$$$ before all else. That's who the owners really are.

Only a dope would ever think they give a crap about any of their employees.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 27, 2020, 05:43:41 PM
Only a dope would ever think they give a crap about any of their employees.

Should be a helluva season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 29, 2020, 01:00:21 PM
If last season had stopped after 60 games, the Rangers would have won the second wild card. The Cubs would have won the NL Central, and the Phillies would have won the NL East. In other words, three out of the 10 teams that were in playoff position at that point didn’t end up making the playoffs. That’s pretty typical: According to data from Baseball Prospectus, 36.5 percent of teams during the divisional era (1969 to 2019, excluding the 1981 and 1994 strike seasons) that were in playoff position through 60 games didn’t end up making the playoffs. The tables below* list the prospective playoff qualifiers through 60 games that finished with the worst full-season records, and the actual playoff teams with the worst records through 60 games.

* See the article. it's quite good!

https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/6/26/21304056/playoff-randomness-shortened-season (https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/6/26/21304056/playoff-randomness-shortened-season)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2020, 07:22:15 PM
I put up a poll on SoSH a few days ago re baseball, the pandemic and how fans might view attending games.

poll choices were

attend under pre-covid seating protocol
only attend with social distance seating and mask
only if comped a private suite
only watch game on TV
other


https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/would-you-feel-safe-attending-a-game-at-fenway-tonight.30716 (https://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?threads/would-you-feel-safe-attending-a-game-at-fenway-tonight.30716)

I think non-members/lurkers can vote

or vote/voice an opinion here.

I'll repost the original post for context

 
As the immortal Ned Martin once proclaimed, a long time ago, "Theres a pandemic on the field"

While taking some license with Ned's famous observation from 1967, there may be a pandemic in the stands. Knowing the risks you know, would you feel comfortable watching a game at Fenway in 2020?

We are a community of mostly Sox fans, most of whom have spent a lot of time in Fenway, America's most cramped ballpark. So we know the deal, If you're taller than 5'5"" your knees get squished by the seat in front of you, if you're over 175 lbs, those seats squeeze your ass. Either way your elbow to elbow next to your neighbor. The normal social distance in Fenway is about 2 inches. Under those conditions how do you feel about seeing a game at America's most beloved closet with 30,000 strangers?

Or would you require social distance protocols with about 20-30% of the traditional crowd, (my ballpark estimate) masks required, but at probably premium pricing.

Would you pass a beer and dogs down the row? Or the change? Or would you only sit on the aisle to cut the risks? Would you take your kids or grand kids to a game?

So many hypotheticals to ponder as we consider how fans adapt to the challenges of being a fan in the age of covid-19.

Or do you say screw it I'm watching DOB, RemDawg and Eck, and save my knees.

Take me out to the ball game
I don't need a big crowd 
Buy me some peanuts and N-95 mask
I don't care, there's always the Cask

 whaddya say "Elba"

how would you feel comfortable watching MLB in 2020?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on June 29, 2020, 08:37:08 PM
I would go to a game with my girlfriend if there was no one directly in the row behind or in front of us, at least empty three seats to either side of us

- not going to the game on my own
- not going if I have to pay more than 2x face value. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 29, 2020, 08:50:10 PM
While I'm firm in my belief that they won't be playing any baseball this year, if they do I'm not going anywhere near a ballpark.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 29, 2020, 09:08:22 PM
I recommend the fall collegiate baseball in your area
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 29, 2020, 09:10:36 PM
I go to Maryland games all the time, but my views are the same. I doubt they'll play, but if they do it will be without me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2020, 09:41:10 PM
I recommend the fall collegiate baseball in your area

they playing on-line?

Yank-I watched a pretty good show on Showtime this past weekend about hoops in your neck of the woods, it was about the history of hoops in Prince George County. I knew about DeMatha and Wooten but they did a lot on the neighborhood and clubs teams and great players And had a segment on Bias and Durant. It was pretty good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 29, 2020, 09:45:06 PM
Would love to have seen that. At one time DC area high school ball was as good as it gets. Especially if Baltimore was considered as well
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2020, 10:02:19 PM
It may show up on-line eventually after its run on Showtime, its called "Basketball County-In the Water" 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 29, 2020, 10:21:00 PM
Thanks. Will look for it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2020, 12:21:18 PM
Take me out to the ball game
I don't need a big crowd
Buy me some peanuts and N-95 mask
I don't care, there's always the Cask


No peanuts for YOU!  From NYT:Today, most of the 2.3 million pounds of in-shell peanuts consumed during a typical baseball season are languishing in cold storage, waiting — like the fans — for an opening day at the park that is unlikely to come. Baseball teams both minor and major are trying to find a way to schedule a season, but there will be no one in the stands to shell out $4 or $5 for a bag of peanuts.

And players are opting out of the "season".

"Think about it: right now in baseball we've got a labor war. We've got rampant individualism on the field. In clubhouses we've got racist, sexist, homophobic jokes or flat-out problems. We've got cheating. We've got a minority issue from the top down. One African American GM. Two African American managers. Less than 8% Black players. No Black majority team owners.

"Perhaps most disheartening of all is a puzzling lack of focus on understanding how to change those numbers. A lack of focus on making baseball accessible and possible for all kids, not just those who are privileged enough to afford it.

"If baseball is America's pastime, maybe it's never been a more fitting one than now," Desmond said.

Desmond concluded by explaining why he is opting out of playing this season.

"The COVID-19 pandemic has made this baseball season one that is a risk I am not comfortable taking," he wrote.

"With a pregnant wife and four young children who have lots of questions about what's going on in the world, home is where I need to be right now,'' Desmond wrote. "Home for my wife, Chelsey. Home to help. Home to guide. Home to answer my older three boys' questions about Coronavirus and Civil Rights and life. Home to be their Dad.''


https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29385606/rockies-ian-desmond-opting-playing-2020-citing-high-risk-amid-pandemic (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29385606/rockies-ian-desmond-opting-playing-2020-citing-high-risk-amid-pandemic)

And...

Washington Nationals first baseman Ryan Zimmerman and pitcher Joe Ross are opting out of the 2020 season delayed by the coronavirus pandemic "for the personal health and safety of themselves and their loved ones," the team announced Monday.

Zimmerman, 35, was the Nationals' first draft pick when the franchise moved out of Montreal and has played for the team since making his debut on Sept. 1, 2005.

"After a great deal of thought and given my family circumstances -- three young children including a newborn, and a mother at high risk -- I have decided not to participate in the 2020 season," Zimmerman said in a statement.

Zimmerman has been writing a diary for The Associated Press since the coronavirus shut down sports this spring. In the 10th installment last week, he expressed concerns about playing in 2020.

"I have a 3-week-old baby,'' Zimmerman wrote. "My mother has multiple sclerosis and is super high-risk; if I end up playing, I can pretty much throw out the idea of seeing her until weeks after the season is over. There's a lot of factors that I and others have to consider. I don't think there's a right or wrong answer; it's everybody's individual choice.''


https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29384355/nationals-ryan-zimmerman-joe-ross-opt-2020-season (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29384355/nationals-ryan-zimmerman-joe-ross-opt-2020-season)


Expect more players to opt out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 30, 2020, 01:23:18 PM
If the season starts and finishes and I have my doubts, I can see more and more guys who have banked decent dough, weigh the health risks and inconveniences imposed versus play for 1/3 of their salary and say screw it, call it a season, leaving playing time to younger guys who haven't made their money yet. 

And if pitchers aren't going to get shelled its a damn shame that peanuts, held hostage, aren't either!!!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 30, 2020, 07:41:12 PM
Let me know when a meaningful player decides not to play

Did Snell decide officially yet?

No shortage of guys ready to hop in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 30, 2020, 08:19:05 PM
There's probably a lot of guys who'd love a shot to jump from AA, AAA to AAAA ball

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 30, 2020, 09:43:07 PM
There's probably a lot of guys who'd love a shot to jump from AA, AAA to AAAA ball

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/30/sports/minor-league-baseball-is-officially-canceling-2020-season/?camp=bg%3Abrief%3Arss%3Afeedly&rss_id=feedly_rss_brief&s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Afacebook&sf_rs_pi=52&fbclid=IwAR033teDfp7-TCvpxB-7nNlhvzmDD2SbInAlBPx92Stq78HoS8gIgnYo_qI

Especially with their season wiped out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on June 30, 2020, 09:43:46 PM
Let me know when a meaningful player decides not to play

Did Snell decide officially yet?

No shortage of guys ready to hop in.

Your definition of meaningful is pretty broken.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 01, 2020, 01:29:09 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/06/30/andrew-toles-dodgers-homeless-mental-illness/3285031001/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 01, 2020, 09:35:37 AM
https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2020/06/tigers-sign-spencer-torkelson-to-record-setting-bonus.html (https://www.mlive.com/tigers/2020/06/tigers-sign-spencer-torkelson-to-record-setting-bonus.html)

That's some bonus, baby!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 01, 2020, 09:36:54 AM
Scratch Landis.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29387969/mvps-say-pull-landis-name-plaques (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29387969/mvps-say-pull-landis-name-plaques)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 01, 2020, 09:41:34 AM
Wilponomics shows the players are not overpaid.

https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-mets-bidders-sale-alex-rodriguez-20200630-wgbfjwtpsvbktnw7t6koo4lhvm-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-mets-bidders-sale-alex-rodriguez-20200630-wgbfjwtpsvbktnw7t6koo4lhvm-story.html)

Major League Baseball has approved seven groups as qualified bidders for the Mets, according to a Tuesday morning report from Sportico...

The Mets — valued at $2.4 billion as of April — have been for sale since February, when the team’s current ownership group in Fred and Jeff Wilpon had a $2.6 billion deal with hedge fund billionaire Steve Cohen that fell through two months after they announced they were negotiating a sale.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 01, 2020, 09:44:36 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29369890/inside-rise-mlb-ivy-league-culture-stunning-numbers-question-next (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29369890/inside-rise-mlb-ivy-league-culture-stunning-numbers-question-next)

MLB's analytics revolution has brought sweeping changes to the game on the field, from the proliferation of launch-angle data, which has led to players swinging more for the fences, to the implementation of defensive shifts against batters, something that was an anomaly not much longer than a decade ago. And it has fundamentally altered how teams approach roster construction, with a heavier emphasis on young, cheaper stars.

But the rise of analytics also has resulted in another massive shift: an influx of white, male graduates of Ivy League schools and other prestigious universities into teams' front offices. In a data analysis conducted by ESPN, the percentage of Ivy League graduates holding an organization's top baseball operations decision-making position -- which, depending on the club, could be its president, vice president or general manager -- has risen from just 3% in 2001 to 43% today; while the percentage of graduates from U.S. News & World Report's list of the top 25 colleges -- both universities and liberal arts schools -- holding the same positions has risen from 24% to 67%.




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on July 01, 2020, 09:49:00 AM
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/30/885239263/no-spitting-mlb-unveils-some-new-rules-due-to-coronavirus?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=nprblogscoronavirusliveupdates

No spitting.  America's pastime will be unrecognizable.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on July 01, 2020, 03:05:16 PM
If a game goes into extra innings, teams will start each half-inning with a runner on second base — a move that will likely lead to more scoring when teams are tied after nine innings. Also, any player may appear as a pitcher at any point in the game.

I imagine if the runner scores that this would count as an un-earned run, right? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2020, 06:20:55 PM
If a game goes into extra innings, teams will start each half-inning with a runner on second base — a move that will likely lead to more scoring when teams are tied after nine innings. Also, any player may appear as a pitcher at any point in the game.

I imagine if the runner scores that this would count as an un-earned run, right?

Good question, but I think in a normal scoring play(s): base hit, or sac bunt to 3rd/sac fly, it will be earned. If the runner scores on an error or aided by a passed ball then it would be an unearned run.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 01, 2020, 06:32:32 PM
Scratch Landis.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29387969/mvps-say-pull-landis-name-plaques (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29387969/mvps-say-pull-landis-name-plaques)

Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 01, 2020, 06:42:21 PM
If a game goes into extra innings, teams will start each half-inning with a runner on second base — a move that will likely lead to more scoring when teams are tied after nine innings. Also, any player may appear as a pitcher at any point in the game.

I imagine if the runner scores that this would count as an un-earned run, right?

Which runner? How is that determined?

And does the last part mean a pitcher can be removed and then put back in?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2020, 06:57:13 PM
If a game goes into extra innings, teams will start each half-inning with a runner on second base — a move that will likely lead to more scoring when teams are tied after nine innings. Also, any player may appear as a pitcher at any point in the game.

I imagine if the runner scores that this would count as an un-earned run, right?

Which runner? How is that determined?

And does the last part mean a pitcher can be removed and then put back in?

I think Kam got it wrong, I think the rule change is aimed at allowing position players to pitch only in extra-innings or blow-outs (+6/-6 runs) . In a regular 9-inning non-blow out game only pitchers can pitch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 01, 2020, 08:20:05 PM
If a game goes into extra innings, teams will start each half-inning with a runner on second base — a move that will likely lead to more scoring when teams are tied after nine innings. Also, any player may appear as a pitcher at any point in the game.

I imagine if the runner scores that this would count as an un-earned run, right?

Which runner? How is that determined?

And does the last part mean a pitcher can be removed and then put back in?

I think Kam got it wrong, I think the rule change is aimed at allowing position players to pitch only in extra-innings or blow-outs (+6/-6 runs) . In a regular 9-inning non-blow out game only pitchers can pitch.

Kam's comment is verbatim from an article.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2020, 09:10:48 PM
If a game goes into extra innings, teams will start each half-inning with a runner on second base — a move that will likely lead to more scoring when teams are tied after nine innings. Also, any player may appear as a pitcher at any point in the game.

I imagine if the runner scores that this would count as an un-earned run, right?

Which runner? How is that determined?

And does the last part mean a pitcher can be removed and then put back in?

I think Kam got it wrong, I think the rule change is aimed at allowing position players to pitch only in extra-innings or blow-outs (+6/-6 runs) . In a regular 9-inning non-blow out game only pitchers can pitch.

Kam's comment is verbatim from an article.

Then perhaps the writer got it wrong.

Fake news!

From MLB


Position players pitching -- Position players are allowed to pitch only if a game goes to extra innings, or if their team is winning or losing by more than six runs. During normal circumstances in a nine-inning game, only the team's 13 designated pitchers -- or two-way players -- are allowed to pitch.

There is a designation for a 2-way player who may pitch and play a position, but that player is designated for an entire year.

Two-way player designation -- A "two-way player" -- someone who both hits and pitches -- is now an official designation. That lets them stay on the roster as a position player and pitch in games without counting toward their team's 13-pitcher pitcher limit. If you designate someone a two-way player, they have to stay that way through the end of the year.

Players have to meet certain criteria to qualify as two-way players -- in either the current MLB season or the previous one, they have to pitch at least 20 innings in the Majors and start at least 20 games as a position player or DH where they bat three or more times.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rule-changes-for-2020-season


https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rule-changes-for-2020-season (https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-rule-changes-for-2020-season)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 01, 2020, 09:20:49 PM

Players have to meet certain criteria to qualify as two-way players -- in either the current MLB season or the previous one, they have to pitch at least 20 innings in the Majors and start at least 20 games as a position player or DH where they bat three or more times.

That will make it challenging for anybody to so qualify this year, given that Ohtani did not pitch in the majors in 2019 and this season is so short. In 2022 we can go have those, perhaps.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2020, 09:26:11 PM
From the MLB article


The two-way player designation for 2020 also allows players who met the requirements in 2018 to qualify this season. So Ohtani, who didn't pitch last year because of Tommy John surgery but did pitch as a rookie in '18, can still be named a two-way player for the Angels right away.

The Ohtani clause.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 01, 2020, 10:10:04 PM
From the MLB article


The two-way player designation for 2020 also allows players who met the requirements in 2018 to qualify this season. So Ohtani, who didn't pitch last year because of Tommy John surgery but did pitch as a rookie in '18, can still be named a two-way player for the Angels right away.

The Ohtani clause.

I feel much better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2020, 10:28:37 PM
So do the Angels. They plan on getting their money's worth out of 2-way Ohtani this year.

That is if they play. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 02, 2020, 03:51:51 PM
The Central Division teams have a far easier time this year than East or West.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 02, 2020, 04:27:04 PM
The Central Division teams have a far easier time this year than East or West.

Pretty much true most years..
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 02, 2020, 05:22:26 PM
The Central Division teams have a far easier time this year than East or West.

Pretty much true most years..

It's exacerbated this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 02, 2020, 06:08:12 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898643-over-30-mlb-players-organized-informal-training-camp-in-florida-amid-pandemic?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2020, 09:00:02 PM
https://theathletic.com/1909001/2020/07/03/cleveland-indians-ready-to-discuss-changing-team-name/ (https://theathletic.com/1909001/2020/07/03/cleveland-indians-ready-to-discuss-changing-team-name/)

After 105 years, the Cleveland Indians’ nickname might be on borrowed time.

With the NFL’s Washington Redskins launching an internal review of their team nickname this week, the Indians have initiated plans to further examine and consider the future of their own. The topic made the rounds in the Indians’ front office on Friday, the first full day of spring training workouts at Progressive Field.

“We are committed to making a positive impact in our community and embrace our responsibility to advance social justice and equality,” the team said in a statement sent to The Athletic on Friday evening. “Our organization fully recognizes our team name is among the most visible ways in which we connect with the community.

“We have had ongoing discussions organizationally on these issues. The recent unrest in our community and our country has only underscored the need for us to keep improving as an organization on issues of social justice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 03, 2020, 09:32:31 PM
https://theathletic.com/1909001/2020/07/03/cleveland-indians-ready-to-discuss-changing-team-name/ (https://theathletic.com/1909001/2020/07/03/cleveland-indians-ready-to-discuss-changing-team-name/)

After 105 years, the Cleveland Indians’ nickname might be on borrowed time.

With the NFL’s Washington Redskins launching an internal review of their team nickname this week, the Indians have initiated plans to further examine and consider the future of their own. The topic made the rounds in the Indians’ front office on Friday, the first full day of spring training workouts at Progressive Field.

“We are committed to making a positive impact in our community and embrace our responsibility to advance social justice and equality,” the team said in a statement sent to The Athletic on Friday evening. “Our organization fully recognizes our team name is among the most visible ways in which we connect with the community.

“We have had ongoing discussions organizationally on these issues. The recent unrest in our community and our country has only underscored the need for us to keep improving as an organization on issues of social justice.


We live in remarkable times.

It should never have had to get this far, but given that it has done so, seeing the Redskins say that their change is likely and the Indians begin to approach the issue for real has some very positive vibes to it.

Hello, Atlanta?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 03, 2020, 09:32:58 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898796-mlb-announces-38-out-of-3185-tested-players-staff-diagnosed-with-covid-19?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Lower rate than the NBA.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2020, 09:38:17 PM
Predictions for new names for the Indians?

The Braves?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2020, 10:15:37 PM
Predictions for new names for the Indians?

The Braves?

The Spiders?

The Midges?

The Braves are probably going to announce a task-force is looking into the issue.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 03, 2020, 10:46:16 PM
The Cleveland Naps.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on July 03, 2020, 11:02:43 PM
The Atlanta PD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 04, 2020, 12:37:22 AM
The Cleveland Naps.

That would bring lajoie to a lot of people.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 10:19:45 AM
Cleveland could be the Red Ryder's...

You'll put your eye out, kid.

Atlanta? The Bees. Like the old Boston Need from their franchise history.

Speaking of Boston. Any sox fans remember this 4th of July game?

Lefty v Lefty.

https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/july-4-1983-dave-righetti-tosses-a-no-hitter-on-fourth-of-july/#:~:text=One%20never%20knows%20how%20a,and%20New%20York%2040-35. (https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/july-4-1983-dave-righetti-tosses-a-no-hitter-on-fourth-of-july/#:~:text=One%20never%20knows%20how%20a,and%20New%20York%2040-35.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
And for you Mets fans.

Remember this one?

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL198507040.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL198507040.shtml)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 10:32:09 AM
Tim McCarver. Grand Slam single.

July 4, 1976.

Holy Bicentennial, Batman!!

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/today-philly-sports-history-mccarvers-grand-slam-single-1976 (https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/today-philly-sports-history-mccarvers-grand-slam-single-1976)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 10:34:31 AM
Better memories for Sox Fans here:

https://throughthefencebaseball.com/1977-boston-red-sox/ (https://throughthefencebaseball.com/1977-boston-red-sox/)

July 4, 1977.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 10:41:38 AM
July 4, 2011.

Jayson Werth helped the Washington Nationals walk off against the Chicago Cubs on the Fourth of July in 2011, but that simple sentence doesn't begin to describe the weird way he did it.

After starting the game 1-for-3 with two RBI, a walk and being caught stealing at second, Werth came up in the bottom of the 10th inning with the score knotted at 4-4 to face Marcos Mateo. He drew a walk to reach first, and from there, the theatrics began.

The Nats decided to go for it all, sending a pinch hitter up for pitcher Henry Rodriguez. Surprisingly enough, that pinch hitter was fellow pitcher Livan Hernandez, who, although a solid hitter for a pitcher, did not seem like the best choice.

Hernandez dropped a perfectly executed bunt down the first-base line to move Werth to second. Werth then stole third without a throw, putting his team in a great position to win.

It looked like Ivan Rodriguez would have to beat the Cubs, but the Cubs beat the Cubs, as pitcher Carlos Marmol, who only threw five pitches all game (three balls), threw a wild pitch, and Werth jogged home for the 5-4 victory.


Ouch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 09:51:29 PM
Tanakout!!

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/07/yankees-masahiro-tanaka-hurt-hit-line-drive-from-giancarlo-stanton.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2020/07/yankees-masahiro-tanaka-hurt-hit-line-drive-from-giancarlo-stanton.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 04, 2020, 09:53:03 PM
He'll have until the 2021 season to get better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 04, 2020, 10:01:09 PM
He'll have until the 2021 season to get better.

He has to survive the night first.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 04, 2020, 10:56:20 PM
He'll have until the 2021 season to get better.

He has to survive the night first.

He's been released from the hospital (hours ago) and just posted a message.

https://yanksgoyard.com/2020/07/04/yankees-masahiro-tanaka-message-injury-scare/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 05, 2020, 05:16:29 AM
David Price is opting out of the season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 05, 2020, 07:09:19 AM
David Price is opting out of the season.

  Mike Trout isn't all in, either.

https://www.mlb.com/angels/news/mike-trout-unsure-if-he-ll-play-in-2020 (https://www.mlb.com/angels/news/mike-trout-unsure-if-he-ll-play-in-2020)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 05, 2020, 07:13:11 AM
Mad Dog Russo and other. apologists for this piece of crap commissioner can shut up, now:

https://sports.yahoo.com/rob-manfred-admits-mlb-never-intended-to-play-more-than-60-games-223213827.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/rob-manfred-admits-mlb-never-intended-to-play-more-than-60-games-223213827.html)

The reality is we weren’t going to play more than 60 games no matter how the negotiations with the players went..."

Sham Commissioner.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 05, 2020, 10:36:40 AM
All these athletes testing COVID-positive

Doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 05, 2020, 11:01:56 AM
Is it possible you get dumber each day?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 05, 2020, 11:25:55 AM
I've no idea what point kid is trying to make, other than he is clearly our village idiot, and by a wide margin

I don't recall whether it was here or elsewhere (or both) but in early-mid March several posters (myself included) discussed the possibility of eventually starting the MLB season, with spliting the season between Florida and AZ spring-training sites, to minimize travel, avoid the hard-hit northeast cities, keep the players healthy, and reduce costs as fans attendence would be way way down.  How'd that work out?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 05, 2020, 11:52:42 AM
Peanut gallery - with no comment on the actual statement.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 05, 2020, 12:07:52 PM
The comment on the actual statement is that it's idiotic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 05, 2020, 01:04:35 PM
Wow

Just reading now that Landry Shamet may die.

Tough times.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 05, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
Mad Dog Russo and other. apologists for this piece of crap commissioner can shut up, now:

https://sports.yahoo.com/rob-manfred-admits-mlb-never-intended-to-play-more-than-60-games-223213827.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/rob-manfred-admits-mlb-never-intended-to-play-more-than-60-games-223213827.html)

The reality is we weren’t going to play more than 60 games no matter how the negotiations with the players went..."

Sham Commissioner.

It was never on the players, because the owners were never negotiating in good faith.

And the Commissioner did what he is paid to do - the owners' bidding, same as Goodell does, if with less news usually.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 05, 2020, 01:22:24 PM
'Nuff said.

All these athletes testing COVID-positive

Doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.

Wow

Just reading now that Landry Shamet may die.

Tough times.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 05, 2020, 04:00:10 PM

All these athletes testing COVID-positive

Doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 05, 2020, 04:02:33 PM

All these athletes testing COVID-positive

Doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.

Concern from whom?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 05, 2020, 05:04:04 PM

All these athletes testing COVID-positive

Doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.

Except Landry Shamet.

And all those school children - doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.

And all those choir singers - doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.

And all those partiers last night in DC for the White House gathering - doesn't seem to be much concern that any of them will die.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 05, 2020, 05:43:17 PM
Really is zero concern.

It's m-COVID.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 05, 2020, 06:35:38 PM
Really is zero concern.

It's m-COVID.

Athletes are more often conservative than liberal. I suspect that has something to do with it.

Cody Lyster would beg to differ. So would Mary Roman.

From Twitter:
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- Qiu Jun (72), Chinese bodybuilder, died on February 6 in Wuhan
- Italo De Zan (92), Italian cyclist, died on March 9 in Treviso
- Francisco Garcia (21), Spanish football coach, died on March 17 in Malaga
- Luciano Federici (81), Italian footballer, died on March 18 in Carrara
- Innocenzo Donina (69), Italian footballer, died on March 19 in Bergamo
- Jose Maria Candela (59), Spanish sports journalist, died on March 20
- Tomas Diaz-Valdes (78), Spanish sports journalist and amateur pilot, died on March 20 in Madrid
- Benito Joanet (84), Spanish footballer and coach, died on March 22 in Alicante
- Mohamed Farah (59), Somalian footballer, died on March 24 in London
- Azam Khan (95), Pakistani squash player, died on March 28 in London
- Pearson Jordan (69), Barbadian sprinter, died on March 28
- Jose Luis Capon (72), Spanish footballer, died on March 29 in Madrid
- Angelo Rottoli (61), Italian boxer, died on March 29 in Ponte San Pietro
- David Hodgkiss (71), Chairman of Lancashire County Cricket Club, died on March 30
- Pape Diouf (69), Senegalese journalist and former president of Olympique de Marseille, died on March 31 at Dakar
- Daniel Yuste (75), Spanish cyclist, died on March 31
- Goyo Benito (73), Spanish footballer, died on April 2 in Madrid
- Zaccaria Cometti (83), Italian footballer, died on April 2 in Romano di Lombardia
- Arnold Sowinski (89), French footballer, died on April 2 in Lens
- Tom Dempsey (73), American football (NFL), died on April 4in New Orleans
- Roger Chappot (79), Swiss ice hockey player, died April 7
- Donato Sabia (56), Italian athlete, died April 8 in Potenza
- Miguel Jones (81), Spainish footballer, died on April 8 in Madrid
- Francesco La Rosa (93), Italian footballer, died on April 8, in Milan
- Ho Kam Ming (95), Macanese-born Canadian martial artist, died on April 9in Toronto
- Francisco Aritmendi (81), Spanish athlete, died on April 12
- Baldiri Alavedra (76), Spanish footballer, died on April 13
- Zafar Sarfraz (50), Pakistani cricketer, died on April 13 kin Peshawar
- Cyril Lawrence (99), English Footballer, died on April 14
- Norman Hunter (76), English Footballer, died on April 17
- Lukman Niode (56), Indonesian swimmer, died on April 17
- Bob Lazier (81), American race car driver, died on April 18
- Urano Navarrini (74), Italian football player and manager, died on April 18
- Steve Dalkowski (80), American baseball player, died on April 19
- Josep Sala Mane (82), Spanish casteller, died on April 20
- Dave Bacuzzi (79), British footballer, died on April 21
- Teruyuki Okazaki (88), Japanese karate master, died on April 21
- Henk Overgoor (75), Dutch footballer, died on April 23
- John Rowlands (73), English footballer, died on April 26
- Francesco Perrone (89), Italian athlete, died on April 27
- Dick Lucas (86), American Football player, died on April 29
- Fernando Sandoval (77), Brazilian water polo players, died on May 1
- Jim Cross (83), American ice hockey player, died on May 2
- John Ogilvie (91), English footballer, died on May 2
- Roy Lester (96), American Football player, died on May 3
- Shobushi (28), Japanese sumo wrestler, died on May 13
- Marv Luster (82), American Football player, died on May 25
- Celio Taveira (79), Brazil footballer, died on May 29
- Riaz Sheikh (51), Pakistani cricketer, died on June 4
- E Hamsakoya (61), Indian footballer, died on June 6
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 05, 2020, 06:36:16 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/politics-sports-you-like-2013-3

(https://i.insider.com/514789beeab8ea4e69000006?width=1900&format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on July 06, 2020, 12:49:12 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29415582/yankees-masahiro-tanaka-really-good-spirits-taking-liner-head
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 06, 2020, 01:02:43 PM
https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/06/mlb-covid-19-test-delays-impacting-multiple-teams/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/06/mlb-covid-19-test-delays-impacting-multiple-teams/)

Covid-19 test delays — and at least one incident in which testers simply didn’t show up at all — have delayed workouts for at least two teams so far. And at least one team’s general manager is hopping mad about it.

Alex Coffey of The Athletic reported overnight that the Oakland Athletics have yet to have a full squad workout because of COVID-19 test delays. They were supposed to begin such workouts yesterday, but delayed them until today. They have since been delayed again until tonight, and even those may not happen.

Why? Because the initial team tests that are required before allowing the team’s full complement of players and coaches into the facility had not even arrived at MLB’s testing center in Utah as of last night. Indeed, they sat in the San Francisco airport all weekend because no one with MLB or the league’s testing company bothered to account for the Fourth of July holiday and expedite shipping.

Coffey obtained the text message Athletics’ GM David Forst sent to the entire club about the COVID-19 test delays. And, frankly, it’s gobsmacking.

The upshot, as Forst explains in the text, is that the test samples which were collected on Friday and which were due to be in Salt Lake City on Saturday sat at the San Francisco airport because of the July 4 holiday. Which, OK, fine, in which case someone should have changed the shipping instructions for Sunday delivery rather than have it just wait around until Monday like any other package. But no one bothered to do that. Forst, in the text:

On top of screwing up the logistics of this whole thing, neither MLB nor CDT (the company that collects the samples) communicated any of this to us until we pressed them for information, at which point all they could do was apologize, which frankly doesn’t really do much for us. Our best shot is to schedule a workout for [Monday] night with the hope that the samples arrive at the lab on time tomorrow and they are able to turn around your results in a matter of a few hours."


MLB is a royal screw-up.


Mistakes were made.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 06, 2020, 01:51:06 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12)

CLEVELAND — Cleveland manager Terry Francona won’t sidestep the hot-button topic any longer. He believes the Indians need to change their contentious nickname.

“I think it's time to move forward,” Francona said Sunday.


I like the Cleveland Fellers, it recalls a storied player, an all-time great, but might be viewed as excluding the gals.

Cleveland Rocks would tie Cleveland's famous Hall of Fame and famed slugger Rocky Colavito, but Colorado might get pissed.

The Cleveland Harders might make a few fans happy, but some could pervert it and the logo might present an issue.

How about Cleveland Steamers, an ode to the city and region's industrial past and chest-thumping pride?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on July 06, 2020, 03:09:44 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12)

CLEVELAND — Cleveland manager Terry Francona won’t sidestep the hot-button topic any longer. He believes the Indians need to change their contentious nickname.

“I think it's time to move forward,” Francona said Sunday.


I like the Cleveland Fellers, it recalls a storied player, an all-time great, but might be viewed as excluding the gals.

Cleveland Rocks would tie Cleveland's famous Hall of Fame and famed slugger Rocky Colavito, but Colorado might get pissed.

The Cleveland Harders might make a few fans happy, but some could pervert it and the logo might present an issue.

How about Cleveland Steamers, an ode to the city and region's industrial past and chest-thumping pride?

Cleveland Rolls (since Rock doesn't work, as you said) - for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

The Cleveland Canals, after the Ohio & Erie Canal?

The Cleveland Supermen, because that's where he was created.

Cleveland Carnations?

Cleveland  Pawpaws?

Cleveland Lights - used to be known as the City of Light and was the birthplace of the electric traffic signal.

Cleveland Trees - was known as the Forest City (and some say still is).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on July 06, 2020, 03:13:36 PM
The Cleveland Fame is another twist on the RnR HoF theme.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 06, 2020, 03:15:07 PM
Cleveland Rocks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f1X461qacwg
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 06, 2020, 03:47:11 PM
The Cleveland Newmen

they had to retire the old man and well,

Burn on Big River, burn on...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 06, 2020, 03:52:11 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12)

CLEVELAND — Cleveland manager Terry Francona won’t sidestep the hot-button topic any longer. He believes the Indians need to change their contentious nickname.

“I think it's time to move forward,” Francona said Sunday.


I like the Cleveland Fellers, it recalls a storied player, an all-time great, but might be viewed as excluding the gals.

Cleveland Rocks would tie Cleveland's famous Hall of Fame and famed slugger Rocky Colavito, but Colorado might get pissed.

The Cleveland Harders might make a few fans happy, but some could pervert it and the logo might present an issue.

How about Cleveland Steamers, an ode to the city and region's industrial past and chest-thumping pride?
I own the copyright on Cleveland Harders.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 06, 2020, 04:00:31 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/07/05/sports/terry-francona-comes-out-favor-dropping-indians-name/?event=event12)

CLEVELAND — Cleveland manager Terry Francona won’t sidestep the hot-button topic any longer. He believes the Indians need to change their contentious nickname.

“I think it's time to move forward,” Francona said Sunday.


I like the Cleveland Fellers, it recalls a storied player, an all-time great, but might be viewed as excluding the gals.

Cleveland Rocks would tie Cleveland's famous Hall of Fame and famed slugger Rocky Colavito, but Colorado might get pissed.

The Cleveland Harders might make a few fans happy, but some could pervert it and the logo might present an issue.

How about Cleveland Steamers, an ode to the city and region's industrial past and chest-thumping pride?
I own the copyright on Cleveland Harders.

The Harders could be a great name

Make them an offer they can't refuse,

or they might consider the Cleveland Lemons
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 06, 2020, 04:33:23 PM
Cleveland Spiders 2.0v.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 06, 2020, 11:34:00 PM
And I AM not alone in wanting that name.

https://thespun.com/more/mlb/cleveland-spiders-nickname-change-idea (https://thespun.com/more/mlb/cleveland-spiders-nickname-change-idea)

They could also be the Spidermen!!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on July 07, 2020, 03:18:38 AM
And I AM not alone in wanting that name.

https://thespun.com/more/mlb/cleveland-spiders-nickname-change-idea (https://thespun.com/more/mlb/cleveland-spiders-nickname-change-idea)

They could also be the Spidermen!!

That would increase their presence on the Web...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 07, 2020, 10:31:17 AM
SPEAKERS is the name that makes sense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on July 07, 2020, 04:50:35 PM
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the 40 games against their AL East foes -- 10 games each --will not be evenly split. For example, the Sox will play the Yankees in New York seven times and the Rays in Florida six times. Conversely, Toronto will visit Fenway seven times and the Orioles will be here for six games.

What's with that?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 07, 2020, 05:30:55 PM
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the 40 games against their AL East foes -- 10 games each --will not be evenly split. For example, the Sox will play the Yankees in New York seven times and the Rays in Florida six times. Conversely, Toronto will visit Fenway seven times and the Orioles will be here for six games.

What's with that?!

It would have been too simple to schedule the 4 division rivals 5H 5A for 40 games
and the other league disvision (NL E in this case)  5 teams      2H 2A for 20 games.

Not that its going to matter, but the Sox play the Ys 7 times in NY before their first series against them in late Sept

*     
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on July 07, 2020, 05:56:27 PM
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the 40 games against their AL East foes -- 10 games each --will not be evenly split. For example, the Sox will play the Yankees in New York seven times and the Rays in Florida six times. Conversely, Toronto will visit Fenway seven times and the Orioles will be here for six games.

What's with that?!

It would have been too simple to schedule the 4 division rivals 5H 5A for 40 games
and the other league disvision (NL E in this case)  5 teams      2H 2A for 20 games.

Not that its going to matter, but the Sox play the Ys 7 times in NY before their first series against them in late Sept

*     

And 7 times in NY and 3 times at Fenway.

It makes no sense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 07, 2020, 06:14:05 PM
Quote
the 40 games against their AL East foes -- 10 games each --will not be evenly split. For example, the Sox will play the Yankees in New York seven times and the Rays in Florida six times. Conversely, Toronto will visit Fenway seven times and the Orioles will be here for six games.

What's with that?!

It would have been too simple to schedule the 4 division rivals 5H 5A for 40 games
and the other league disvision (NL E in this case)  5 teams      2H 2A for 20 games.

Not that its going to matter, but the Sox play the Ys 7 times in NY before their first series against them in late Sept

*     

And 7 times in NY and 3 times at Fenway.

It makes no sense.

Agreed.

I heard on talk radio (so take it with a big grain of whatever) the imbalance was to reduce travel.

no idea if its true

Intuitively it seems unfair on its face.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on July 07, 2020, 06:24:23 PM
Quote
the 40 games against their AL East foes -- 10 games each --will not be evenly split. For example, the Sox will play the Yankees in New York seven times and the Rays in Florida six times. Conversely, Toronto will visit Fenway seven times and the Orioles will be here for six games.

What's with that?!

It would have been too simple to schedule the 4 division rivals 5H 5A for 40 games
and the other league disvision (NL E in this case)  5 teams      2H 2A for 20 games.

Not that its going to matter, but the Sox play the Ys 7 times in NY before their first series against them in late Sept

*     

And 7 times in NY and 3 times at Fenway.

It makes no sense.

Agreed.

I heard on talk radio (so take it with a big grain of whatever) the imbalance was to reduce travel.

no idea if its true

Intuitively it seems unfair on its face.

So many ways to "reduce travel" that are at least as effective as that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 07, 2020, 08:00:38 PM
Quote
the 40 games against their AL East foes -- 10 games each --will not be evenly split. For example, the Sox will play the Yankees in New York seven times and the Rays in Florida six times. Conversely, Toronto will visit Fenway seven times and the Orioles will be here for six games.

What's with that?!

It would have been too simple to schedule the 4 division rivals 5H 5A for 40 games
and the other league disvision (NL E in this case)  5 teams      2H 2A for 20 games.

Not that its going to matter, but the Sox play the Ys 7 times in NY before their first series against them in late Sept

*     

And 7 times in NY and 3 times at Fenway.

It makes no sense.

Waaaahhhh!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 07, 2020, 08:21:07 PM
The metaphysical "tree falling in the forest" question is whether a schedule can be unfair if the games are not going to be played anyway.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on July 07, 2020, 08:40:29 PM
Quote
the 40 games against their AL East foes -- 10 games each --will not be evenly split. For example, the Sox will play the Yankees in New York seven times and the Rays in Florida six times. Conversely, Toronto will visit Fenway seven times and the Orioles will be here for six games.

What's with that?!

It would have been too simple to schedule the 4 division rivals 5H 5A for 40 games
and the other league disvision (NL E in this case)  5 teams      2H 2A for 20 games.

Not that its going to matter, but the Sox play the Ys 7 times in NY before their first series against them in late Sept

*     

And 7 times in NY and 3 times at Fenway.

It makes no sense.

Waaaahhhh!!!

As ever, your cogent analysis speaks volumes.

About you, that is.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 07, 2020, 10:56:50 PM
Its hypothetical time: 

For a second let's put yank's falling tree scenario on hold, and assume MLB manages to play 50-60 games.

Let's say that Justin Verlander (or anyone) has one of a crazy good 2-month run, and is about untouchable, in his 12 starts, he's 11-1 with a 0.85 ERA. Is the ERA recognized as an MLB record?

As an aside in doing copious research how the fuck did Tim Keefe go 6-6 with an 0,86 ERA? He must have had some shitty defenders behind him

Similiarly in a shortened 2-month 60 game season the possibility of someone, lets say Mookie, leads the NL and hits .412. Presumably he'll win the batting title , but will MLB maintain the 502 AB (unlikely in 60 games) rule for comparability with other seasons and milestones like the rareness of a 400 season?

How will MLB account for the 2020 season.

and if records fall will anyone hear it?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 07, 2020, 11:20:39 PM
Keefe lost 80 games in 3 years and made the HOF

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 08, 2020, 12:14:43 AM

As an aside in doing copious research how the fuck did Tim Keefe go 6-6 with an 0,86 ERA? He must have had some shitty defenders behind him

27 runs given up.
10 earned, 17 unearned.

The next year, 145 earned, 96 unearned.
Then 104 earned, 117 unearned.

He only had one more year in which he gave up more unearned runs than earned, but it was never good.
--------------------

Then again, that 6 and 6 year, there was one primary starter - 64 starts, 64 complete games. Mickey Welch Gave up 162 earned runs in 574 innings. But he also gave up 159 unearned runs!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 08, 2020, 08:46:16 AM
Phillies play Yankees a lot.

Could be fun. Nats get way more Orioles games than some in NLE..

But I don't care. I don't see how the "season" can ever be taken seriously.

One thing that can be taken seriously, though, is how MLB was always aiming to play just 60 games, as Manfred said.

Do, the 2020 season is when America was reminded of how MLB NEVER negotiated in good faith.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 08, 2020, 03:15:19 PM
Hate to lose a good kid like this -


https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/politics/vindman-retiring-alleged-white-house-retaliation/index.html
What position did he play and who was he playing for?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 08, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29390843/wow-kind-stories-lost-seasons-minor-league-baseball

Minor league players on the impact on them, including some "bubble" players.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 09, 2020, 09:35:54 PM
Paging Dr. West! Paging Dr. West! Dr. Joe West!

The MLB umpires union distances themselves from one of its oldest, dumbest members:

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/09/mlbua-releases-statement-regarding-joe-wests-covid-19-comments/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/09/mlbua-releases-statement-regarding-joe-wests-covid-19-comments/)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 10, 2020, 01:54:26 AM
Paging Dr. West! Paging Dr. West! Dr. Joe West!

The MLB umpires union distances themselves from one of its oldest, dumbest members:

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/09/mlbua-releases-statement-regarding-joe-wests-covid-19-comments/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/07/09/mlbua-releases-statement-regarding-joe-wests-covid-19-comments/)

It's not surprising that somebody among the umpires is that clueless. The column is right that it is questionable whether MLB can afford to put West on the field.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 10, 2020, 12:02:12 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/09/opinions/retired-baseball-players-covid-19-accidental-buddhists-balukjian/index.html

Not really sure why "covid-19" is in the URL. Very minor part of the story, IMO.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 10, 2020, 02:19:23 PM
Buster Pussy Posey opts out fo the season. Maybe they'll let them play baseball and slide into home plate again, now?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 10, 2020, 02:21:29 PM
Rampant cheating in MLB.

Some things never change.

OfOf all the ways in which Major League Baseball will look different during the pandemic, the most whimsical is the wet rag. According to the health and safety protocols in the league’s 2020 operations manual, “All pitchers may carry a small wet rag in their back pocket to be used for moisture in lieu of licking their fingers.”

“Wet rag” is, of course, a very funny phrase, although the rag is around for a serious reason (reducing the spread of disease). Like any rule in sports, though, the wet rag regulation exists to be exploited and could produce unintended consequences more serious than swamp butts. MLB knows that not everyone can be trusted to use their wet rag responsibly, which is why the manual lays down the law. “Pitchers may not access the rag while on the pitching rubber and must clearly wipe the fingers of his pitching hand dry before touching the ball or the pitcher’s plate,” the protocols specify. “Umpires will have the right to check the rag at any point.” The manual also stipulates that “water is the only substance allowed on the rag.”


When I informed a former major league pitcher who now works for a team—let’s call him Deep Throwt—of the rag’s arrival, he questioned my facts, texting, “A wet rag? Really? This must be fake.” When I explained that the very real rag must be doused only in water, more mirth followed. “Hahahahahahahahahahahaha,” he said. “Yeah, water will be on that rag. Hahahahahahaha.” Deep Throwt is not former reliever Jeff Nelson, who expressed the same sentiment on Twitter with 19 fewer “ha”s.


https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/7/10/21175567/banned-substances-pitchers-spin-rate-four-seam (https://www.theringer.com/mlb/2020/7/10/21175567/banned-substances-pitchers-spin-rate-four-seam)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 14, 2020, 08:19:20 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/us/canada-mlb-blue-jays-spt/index.html

Where will the Toronto Blue Jays play their home games?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2020, 07:29:26 PM
RIP #8.

https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/philadelphia-phillies-tony-taylor-died-1964-second-base-20200716.html (https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/philadelphia-phillies-tony-taylor-died-1964-second-base-20200716.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2020, 09:01:18 PM
A-Rod, bidding for Mets, wants players to accept cap system

NEW YORK (AP) — Alex Rodriguez, among four groups of bidders for a possible purchase of the New York Mets, called for baseball players accept the type of revenue-sharing system that is tied to a salary cap and sparked quick opposition from the union.

Following the collapse of labor talks dealing with the fallout of the coronavirus pandemic, relations between Major League Baseball and the players’ association are at the lowest point in a quarter-century. The sides appear headed to a spring training lockout in 2022.

Preparing for the start of his third season as an analyst on ESPN’s Sunday night telecasts, Rodriguez said baseball players’ leverage had changed since they fought off the owners’ salary-cap proposal with a 7 1/2-month strike in 1994-95. He said the rise of the NFL and NBA had changed the equation along with digital media, and said the players’ association should work collaboratively with MLB to raise the sport’s market share.


https://apnews.com/962489d56d0a4b8c0feed2157013f199 (https://apnews.com/962489d56d0a4b8c0feed2157013f199)

ESPN has a problem.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 16, 2020, 09:30:39 PM
A-Rod, bidding for Mets, wants players to accept cap system
Fucking hilarious.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 16, 2020, 10:49:37 PM
A-Rod, bidding for Mets, wants players to accept cap system
Fucking hilarious.

Sounds like he would fit right in with the owners group, though!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 17, 2020, 01:31:46 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2900600-mlb-mlbpa-announce-6-new-positive-covid-19-tests-out-of-10548-samples
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 18, 2020, 05:34:24 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2900652-daniel-bard-makes-rockies-opening-day-roster-7-years-after-last-mlb-appearance?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 18, 2020, 06:36:14 PM
Canada will not allow Blue Jays to play regular season games in Toronto due to pandemic
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 18, 2020, 06:36:40 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2900652-daniel-bard-makes-rockies-opening-day-roster-7-years-after-last-mlb-appearance?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Wow!

I hope he does well!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on July 21, 2020, 01:27:15 PM
Several S.F. Giants players and coaches -- including manager Gabe Kapler -- knelt for the national anthem Monday ... and Donald Trump took aim at them afterward, calling it all a "great disrespect."

"Looking forward to live sports," Trump said, "but any time I witness a player kneeling during the National Anthem, a sign of great disrespect for our Country and our Flag, the game is over for me!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 21, 2020, 01:29:34 PM
Several S.F. Giants players and coaches -- including manager Gabe Kapler -- knelt for the national anthem Monday ... and Donald Trump took aim at them afterward, calling it all a "great disrespect."

"Looking forward to live sports," Trump said, "but any time I witness a player kneeling during the National Anthem, a sign of great disrespect for our Country and our Flag, the game is over for me!"

I thought seeing the players and staff kneeling was a sign of great respect. And I suspect that if Trump is true to his word (which is a questionable assumption, to say the least), he will be watching a lot fewer games on TV this year going forward than usual.

This might in an ordinary person result in more work. No chance here. More mischief, I expect.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 21, 2020, 03:34:50 PM
Not so sure Trump watches much baseball



Looking forward to FAUCI tossing out the first pitch
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 21, 2020, 04:18:06 PM
 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2900985-mlb-will-allow-fans-to-use-app-to-influence-crowd-noise-from-home-during-games (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2900985-mlb-will-allow-fans-to-use-app-to-influence-crowd-noise-from-home-during-games)

Fans will have the opportunity to boo the Houston Astros during the 2020 Major League Baseball season after all.

As Darren Rovell of Action Network shared, the league will incorporate how many fans are using its app and cheering or booing a specific team into the piped in crowd noise it will use in empty stadiums amid the COVID-19 pandemic...


Yes, but how do we throw batteries at Jose Altuve'?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 21, 2020, 05:10:29 PM
Not so sure Trump watches much baseball



Looking forward to FAUCI tossing out the first pitch

Saw that bit, at a minimum.

Maybe if he had had a team in the USLB he would have more interest. The New Jersey Blimps or something.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 21, 2020, 08:52:37 PM
There's an MLB "summer camp" game on television!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2020, 11:33:52 AM
Jays to play in Pittsburgh, pending local approval.

If Toronto stays homeless, it kills the league.

https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEC9bOsXfs9bTUJvHfAgsB_QqFwgEKg8IACoHCAowhujNATCy4ycwm65P?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen (https://news.google.com/articles/CAIiEC9bOsXfs9bTUJvHfAgsB_QqFwgEKg8IACoHCAowhujNATCy4ycwm65P?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2020, 12:03:00 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 22, 2020, 12:54:08 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”

If he was going to do that, why didn't he do it here?!

pouts!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2020, 01:21:34 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”

If he was going to do that, why didn't he do it here?!

pouts!
I'm guessing a pandemic might have shaded his thinking about long-term security.

Just a WAG.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2020, 01:58:19 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”

If he was going to do that, why didn't he do it here?!

pouts!

LA is more friendly to people of color? Just a guess.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2020, 03:28:54 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”

If he was going to do that, why didn't he do it here?!

pouts!

LA is more friendly to people of color? Just a guess.

Could be but LA has a history of very strained race relations as well. And far more violent than anything experienced in Boston.

You may not he old enough to recall, or suffer from selective amnesia, but LA burned in the Watts riots in '65 , and the Rodney King riots in '92, and more recently the riots surrounding the George Floyd murder.

Lotta angry people out there. 

Seeing as Mookie has mosltly experienced LA in quarantine and isolation, and given covid-19 is now revisting LA with a vengenance, Mookie might not meet his next door neighbor for months. So he might have to wait on judging the friendliness of LA for awhile.

I'm guessing he signed for money and forever security.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 22, 2020, 03:31:37 PM
Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”


deserved
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2020, 03:59:15 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”

If he was going to do that, why didn't he do it here?!

pouts!

LA is more friendly to people of color? Just a guess.

Could be but LA has a history of very strained race relations as well. And far more violent than anything experienced in Boston.

You may not he old enough to recall, or suffer from selective amnesia, but LA burned in the Watts riots in '65 , and the Rodney King riots in '92, and more recently the riots surrounding the George Floyd murder.

Lotta angry people out there. 

Seeing as Mookie has mosltly experienced LA in quarantine and isolation, and given covid-19 is now revisting LA with a vengenance, Mookie might not meet his next door neighbor for months. So he might have to wait on judging the friendliness of LA for awhile.

I'm guessing he signed for money and forever security.

But the players say they don't want to play in Boston, which has nothing to do with Rodney King, and everything to do with the bigots in the stands at Fenway.

Nice try at deflection, though.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2020, 04:13:22 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”

If he was going to do that, why didn't he do it here?!

pouts!

LA is more friendly to people of color? Just a guess.

Could be but LA has a history of very strained race relations as well. And far more violent than anything experienced in Boston.

You may not he old enough to recall, or suffer from selective amnesia, but LA burned in the Watts riots in '65 , and the Rodney King riots in '92, and more recently the riots surrounding the George Floyd murder.

Lotta angry people out there. 

Seeing as Mookie has mosltly experienced LA in quarantine and isolation, and given covid-19 is now revisting LA with a vengenance, Mookie might not meet his next door neighbor for months. So he might have to wait on judging the friendliness of LA for awhile.

I'm guessing he signed for money and forever security.

But the players say they don't want to play in Boston, which has nothing to do with Rodney King, and everything to do with the bigots in the stands at Fenway.

Nice try at deflection, though.

No deflection at all. As you seemed to believe that LA was a friendly local for a man of color, I gave you a brief refresher course in LA's riot-scarred history of race relations over the past few decades.

You're welcome.

And as you have no idea what Mookie's motivations were I'd suggest a 14 year deal worth some $380 million is as likely a motivator as a friendly neighbor he has yet to meet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2020, 05:46:31 PM
Perhaps if the Jays play in Pitt, they should call themselves Grays as homage to a former Pitt-based ball club.

In other news rumors building LAD and Mookie doing something big.

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/07/22/report-mookie-betts-closing-in-on-monster-extension-with-the-dodgers/)

Boston radio station WEEI and Lou Merloni are reporting that Mookie Betts, one of the biggest stars in the game, will not hit free agency this offseason as expected, and will re-up with the Dodgers on a 10-year deal worth something in the $350 to $400 million range “within the next couple days.”

If he was going to do that, why didn't he do it here?!

pouts!

LA is more friendly to people of color? Just a guess.

Could be but LA has a history of very strained race relations as well. And far more violent than anything experienced in Boston.

You may not he old enough to recall, or suffer from selective amnesia, but LA burned in the Watts riots in '65 , and the Rodney King riots in '92, and more recently the riots surrounding the George Floyd murder.

Lotta angry people out there. 

Seeing as Mookie has mosltly experienced LA in quarantine and isolation, and given covid-19 is now revisting LA with a vengenance, Mookie might not meet his next door neighbor for months. So he might have to wait on judging the friendliness of LA for awhile.

I'm guessing he signed for money and forever security.

But the players say they don't want to play in Boston, which has nothing to do with Rodney King, and everything to do with the bigots in the stands at Fenway.

Nice try at deflection, though.

No deflection at all. As you seemed to believe that LA was a friendly local for a man of color, I gave you a brief refresher course in LA's riot-scarred history of race relations over the past few decades.

You're welcome.

And as you have no idea what Mookie's motivations were I'd suggest a 14 year deal worth some $380 million is as likely a motivator as a friendly neighbor he has yet to meet.

Because ONLY you "know what Mookie's motivations were".

Okay.

We'll go with that. The omniscient banks.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2020, 05:59:02 PM
Nope i certainly don't claim any special insight into the mind of Mookie.

But I suggested that 14 years and $380 million contract at a time when many are wondering about the future of mega lucrative contracts because of covid and social distancing and its impact on reveneus, and a contract giving him and his family multi-generational wealth and security, seemed like a pretty decent  primary motivator.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2020, 06:20:37 PM
NEW YORK (AP) — Taking a chance to review instant replay, Major League Baseball doubled the isolated cameras available for video reviews to 24 this year.

MLB also arranged for high-frame rate cameras to stream directly to the new replay operations center and ballpark video rooms, and for MLB-controlled 4K cameras with zoom lenses to be installed at high locations behind home plate.

A new replay hub about twice the size of the old one was constructed as part of the move of Major League Baseball and MLB Advanced Media to a combined office space in Manhattan, across the street from Radio City Music Hall.

“We think that the product of all these items is going to result in a much more rapid review process, so that we’ll be getting video available much more quickly to the umpires, who will be making decision more quickly,” Chris Marinak, MLB executive vice president of strategy, technology and innovation, said Monday. “The same will be true of the replay personnel in the ballpark, who are helping their manager make a decision on whether to challenge.”

Each manager will have 20 seconds to decide whether to ask for a video review of a call subject to a challenge, down from 30.


https://apnews.com/0fce0b88dade1af5e131fada8308d414 (https://apnews.com/0fce0b88dade1af5e131fada8308d414)

More cameras, less time to look before making a decision to challenge.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 22, 2020, 06:40:07 PM
NEW YORK (AP) — Taking a chance to review instant replay, Major League Baseball doubled the isolated cameras available for video reviews to 24 this year.

MLB also arranged for high-frame rate cameras to stream directly to the new replay operations center and ballpark video rooms, and for MLB-controlled 4K cameras with zoom lenses to be installed at high locations behind home plate.

A new replay hub about twice the size of the old one was constructed as part of the move of Major League Baseball and MLB Advanced Media to a combined office space in Manhattan, across the street from Radio City Music Hall.

“We think that the product of all these items is going to result in a much more rapid review process, so that we’ll be getting video available much more quickly to the umpires, who will be making decision more quickly,” Chris Marinak, MLB executive vice president of strategy, technology and innovation, said Monday. “The same will be true of the replay personnel in the ballpark, who are helping their manager make a decision on whether to challenge.”

Each manager will have 20 seconds to decide whether to ask for a video review of a call subject to a challenge, down from 30.


https://apnews.com/0fce0b88dade1af5e131fada8308d414 (https://apnews.com/0fce0b88dade1af5e131fada8308d414)

More cameras, less time to look before making a decision to challenge.


Nice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 22, 2020, 08:01:48 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-regular-season-home-pittsburgh-1.5639983

Not Pittsburgh.

Players prefer not Buffalo.

60 game road trip seems like a bad idea.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2020, 08:19:31 PM
From Homstead Grays back to Homeless Jays
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2020, 08:22:17 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1286042491171504130 (https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1286042491171504130)

Jeff Passan tweets

Outfielder Mookie Betts and the Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement on a 12-year, $365 million contract extension, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. Combined with the one-year, $27 million deal he’s currently under, the total is 13 years and $392 million.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 22, 2020, 08:35:52 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1286042491171504130 (https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1286042491171504130)

Jeff Passan tweets

Outfielder Mookie Betts and the Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement on a 12-year, $365 million contract extension, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. Combined with the one-year, $27 million deal he’s currently under, the total is 13 years and $392 million.

It will have to do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2020, 11:11:56 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-jays-regular-season-home-pittsburgh-1.5639983

Not Pittsburgh.

Players prefer not Buffalo.

60 game road trip seems like a bad idea.

This is an issue that impacts the entire league. Where the fuck is the commissioner? God he's useless!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 23, 2020, 10:37:07 AM
Well, it's "Opening Day".

Best of luck to all the teams, and especially the players and their families.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2020, 11:19:50 AM
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1286042491171504130 (https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1286042491171504130)

Jeff Passan tweets

Outfielder Mookie Betts and the Los Angeles Dodgers are in agreement on a 12-year, $365 million contract extension, sources familiar with the deal tell ESPN. Combined with the one-year, $27 million deal he’s currently under, the total is 13 years and $392 million.

It will have to do.

It was a very friendly offer.

Biggest contract extension ever, Sox were never going there. And they shouldn't have.

I'm just glad Mookie's in the NL.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2020, 11:30:15 AM
Opening Day is great-marks the end of winter, the promise of hope that spring brings

Big crowds, exciement in the air, peanuts, hot dogs, and can I have a soda, pop?

Yankees at the world champs the Nats starts it up 

that's a pretty good match-up

I can feel the buzz of the crowd already

Trump throwing out the 1st pitch?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2020, 11:41:39 AM
FAUCI.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2020, 12:37:06 PM
That's right I forgot the good dr was a  Nats fan and was given the honor.

He better not go to his mouth though.

He should get a huge ovation.

he deserves it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2020, 01:16:56 PM
Dr Fauci is a great American

But is among MANY who do not get his accolades.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
Eduardo shut down

Symptoms of COVID (no word on if he tested positive)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2020, 01:30:22 PM
https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1286351366894518272

Joe Biden destroyed millions of Black American lives

says the tweet
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2020, 01:34:08 PM
https://twitter.com/abigailmarone/status/1286351366894518272

Joe Biden destroyed millions of Black American lives

says the tweet
Wrong thread for this post.  But it'll be idiotic wherever it winds up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 23, 2020, 01:42:40 PM
I think Cleveland wins it all this year. Because there will be no fans in the stands. And they beat the Marlins.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 23, 2020, 02:56:14 PM
SOTO out


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2020, 05:33:53 PM
SOTO out


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

May he not be out for long and may nobody have gotten it from him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2020, 11:42:33 PM
Appropriate start to the ASTERISK season
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 24, 2020, 12:31:45 PM
If the Nats falter in their first 60 games this year, it will be called the Fauci Curse.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2020, 01:23:35 PM
Fauci went Nuke LaLoosh with that pitch, no one's going to be digging in on him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 24, 2020, 01:29:42 PM
Governor Baker is throwing out the first pitch tonight for the Red Sox.

No, no he isn't.

Yes, he is.

Well, he is one of the people involved in tonight's first pitch ceremony.


That's where it stands as of now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2020, 01:37:54 PM
I wonder if Biden has it in him to throw something resembling a strike from ~ 55-60" maybe the O's could ask him to drop by.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 24, 2020, 02:00:19 PM
I wonder if Biden has it in him to throw something resembling a strike from ~ 55-60" maybe the O's could ask him to drop by.

Except his team is Philadelphia, about 30 minutes from his Delaware home.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2020, 02:30:11 PM
I wonder if Biden has it in him to throw something resembling a strike from ~ 55-60" maybe the O's could ask him to drop by.

Except his team is Philadelphia, about 30 minutes from his Delaware home.

Didn't know Joe was a Phillies fan-maybe they can get him out of the basement and grab a little fresh air.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 24, 2020, 05:52:27 PM
I wonder if Biden has it in him to throw something resembling a strike from ~ 55-60" maybe the O's could ask him to drop by.

Except his team is Philadelphia, about 30 minutes from his Delaware home.

Didn't know Joe was a Phillies fan-maybe they can get him out of the basement and grab a little fresh air.

His wife is. I don't think he cares much more than any other pol. As for getting out of the basement, much of my youth was watching to see if that team could actually get out of the basement.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 24, 2020, 05:55:53 PM
Let's hope he's not an empty suit, this year:

https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-wears-green-phillie-phanatic-suit (https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-wears-green-phillie-phanatic-suit)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 24, 2020, 05:56:35 PM
Buffalo Jays:

https://www.mlb.com/news/blue-jays-buffalo-home-games-2020 (https://www.mlb.com/news/blue-jays-buffalo-home-games-2020)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 24, 2020, 08:18:36 PM
Well...they're catchers. They catch things!

https://sports.yahoo.com/braves-lose-both-their-catchers-hours-before-opening-day-because-of-coronavirus-symptoms-163005338.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/braves-lose-both-their-catchers-hours-before-opening-day-because-of-coronavirus-symptoms-163005338.html)

Braves lose both their catchers hours before opening day because of coronavirus symptoms.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 24, 2020, 11:44:32 PM
Well...they're catchers. They catch things!

https://sports.yahoo.com/braves-lose-both-their-catchers-hours-before-opening-day-because-of-coronavirus-symptoms-163005338.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/braves-lose-both-their-catchers-hours-before-opening-day-because-of-coronavirus-symptoms-163005338.html)

Braves lose both their catchers hours before opening day because of coronavirus symptoms.

Wishing them a speedy recovery with no complications or people who caught it from them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 24, 2020, 11:45:44 PM
A satisfying start for the Red Sox, if not for the O's.

And may Buffalo prove a good home for the Blue Jays this season, despite the challenges.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 25, 2020, 02:55:28 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/indians-wear-road-uniforms-with-cleveland-on-the-chest-on-opening-day-as-team-name-discussions-continue (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/indians-wear-road-uniforms-with-cleveland-on-the-chest-on-opening-day-as-team-name-discussions-continue)


The Cleveland Indians hosted their Opening Day game against the Kansas City Royals on Thursday. Beyond the lack of crowd, there was one other noticeable change going on in Cleveland's ball park: the home team was wearing their road uniforms.

This change was a conscious decision that the team made in support of those pushing for the ball club to go away from the team's current name, the Indians. Team owner Paul Dolan met with manager Terry Francona this week to discuss the potential change.

Cleveland's road uniforms have a dark blue top with the block letters "Cleveland" across the chest in red. In contrast, the home uniforms have white tops, and the block letters say "Indians."


It seems the "Indians" have played their last game.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 25, 2020, 03:43:35 PM
https://www.delcotimes.com/sports/phillies/mccutchens-message-of-unity-celebrated-before-opening-game/article_4dd27154-ce0a-11ea-8863-d7659cca0ac9.html (https://www.delcotimes.com/sports/phillies/mccutchens-message-of-unity-celebrated-before-opening-game/article_4dd27154-ce0a-11ea-8863-d7659cca0ac9.html)

Good player, better human being.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2020, 09:29:18 AM
Watching the post home-run virtual high fives in the dugout is amusing. Also, it's great to hear the players yelling to each other on plays in the field.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/marlins-vs-phillies/2020/07/25/631108#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=videos,game=631108 (https://www.mlb.com/gameday/marlins-vs-phillies/2020/07/25/631108#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab=videos,game=631108)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2020, 09:31:56 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/indians-wear-road-uniforms-with-cleveland-on-the-chest-on-opening-day-as-team-name-discussions-continue (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/indians-wear-road-uniforms-with-cleveland-on-the-chest-on-opening-day-as-team-name-discussions-continue)


The Cleveland Indians hosted their Opening Day game against the Kansas City Royals on Thursday. Beyond the lack of crowd, there was one other noticeable change going on in Cleveland's ball park: the home team was wearing their road uniforms.

This change was a conscious decision that the team made in support of those pushing for the ball club to go away from the team's current name, the Indians. Team owner Paul Dolan met with manager Terry Francona this week to discuss the potential change.

Cleveland's road uniforms have a dark blue top with the block letters "Cleveland" across the chest in red. In contrast, the home uniforms have white tops, and the block letters say "Indians."


It seems the "Indians" have played their last game.

So far, MLB players are showing a pretty united front on the BLM issues.

 Now, if the players on Cleveland start adding a little spider emblem to their socks...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 26, 2020, 02:59:14 PM
The current crop of Red Sox starting pitchers are uninspiring. Yes, I know we are impacted by the virus, but even so - these are still our 4th and 5th starters, in theory, and... they look like they're doing their first spring training starts!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2020, 08:55:52 PM
Joe Girardi watch has begun in Philly.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 26, 2020, 09:07:34 PM
Joe Girardi watch has begun in Philly.

They must have Grady Little syndrome, huh?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 27, 2020, 11:46:38 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29547211/two-mlb-games-postponed-marlins-outbreak (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29547211/two-mlb-games-postponed-marlins-outbreak)

Two Monday night MLB games were postponed because of an outbreak of the coronavirus among the Miami Marlins.


this turned into a shit-fest fast.

*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on July 27, 2020, 03:31:36 PM
Well it didn't take long for the MLB clown show to come off the rails.What did they expect would happen by placing Tommy Lasorda cutouts in the stands in L.A.😁😁😁😁
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 27, 2020, 06:29:48 PM
Joe Girardi watch has begun in Philly.

They must have Grady Little syndrome, huh?

It was a joke.

But the Grady Little syndrome was no joke.

Joe's job is safe. It's his life that's at stake: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-phillies-game-postponed-marlins-coronavirus-outbreak-report (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-phillies-game-postponed-marlins-coronavirus-outbreak-report)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 28, 2020, 04:59:14 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhh.....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 28, 2020, 06:18:39 PM
Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhh.....

The mating cry of the Mets fan nee Boston fan and now Mets fan again--- this week.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 28, 2020, 06:31:48 PM
I'm guessing this isn't the summer that Jetes imagined back in February.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 29, 2020, 10:42:42 AM
As long as the books dont show a much greater loss he'll be OK.

Businessman - not baseball man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 29, 2020, 11:12:15 AM
As long as the books dont show a much greater loss he'll be OK.

Businessman - not baseball man.

Because people follow the game to see what business is doing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 29, 2020, 11:30:39 AM
As long as the books dont show a much greater loss he'll be OK.

Businessman - not baseball man.

I was referring to Jete's was probably looking forward to the start of the season and his induction (around now) into the HoF. Instead he's dealing with his team players somehow being empowered to decide to ignore the fact that many had tested postive  but decided to say fuck it, lets play, and risking others getting infected and potentially shutting down the entire season.

The chain of command from the team receiving the medical information should have gone to the respective players, the FO and the FO should have told MLB-Manfred immediately. It was a huge fucking screw-up.

I haven't read where the chain broke-ie who decided to let the players make the medical call to play despite being infected.

it was beyond irresponsible.

IMO Jete's as CEO owns this.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 29, 2020, 12:55:16 PM
I haven't read where the chain broke-ie who decided to let the players make the medical call to play despite being infected.


You havent read anything, including the stuff you posted like gospel.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 29, 2020, 01:14:50 PM
I haven't read where the chain broke-ie who decided to let the players make the medical call to play despite being infected.


You havent read anything, including the stuff you posted like gospel.

I haven't read anything, which is why I'm questioning the role of Marlin ownership and management in allowing infected players to play a game and put others at risk.

what is the approved protocol?

And kid anytime you want to point out specifically anything I post which is you believe to be either incorect, false or intentionally misleading, please do.

And I will explain any post that you do not understand, the facts, logic etc.  and defend such, clarify or print a retraction if necessary.

And generally I label my opinions as opinions.

But to defend myself against an empty cheap shot as you just leveled is a waste of my time.

kid while its high time you grew up, I fear you will always be a child.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 29, 2020, 05:43:28 PM
Former Cleveland Indians manager John McNamara, well known for his excellence in managing late game defensive replacements, has died.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 29, 2020, 05:57:36 PM
Former Cleveland Indians manager John McNamara, well known for his excellence in managing late game defensive replacements, has died.

RIP Johnny Mac
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 30, 2020, 12:40:55 AM
"Thanks to the new extra-inning rule, LA beat Houston on a leadoff 2-run homer in the 13th."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 30, 2020, 10:50:56 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2902334-report-new-rule-allows-mlb-to-suspend-players-without-pay-for-stealing-signs?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

I wonder who the first to get caught will be and how long it will take.

Because you can bet that somebody will be intent upon getting around it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 30, 2020, 11:08:45 AM
Former Cleveland Indians manager John McNamara, well known for his excellence in managing late game defensive replacements, has died.

RIP Johnny Mac


He let Buckner take the hits from the rabid Bostonians looking for a scapegoat in '86.



A good manager would have taken the blame himself for blowing that Series.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 30, 2020, 11:10:46 AM
"Thanks to the new extra-inning rule, LA beat Houston on a leadoff 2-run homer in the 13th."

In other news concerning the MLB's commissioner fucking up the game of baseball, Joe Kelly got suspended for 8 games for failing to hit two Houston Astros batters with a pitch, one a curve.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 30, 2020, 11:46:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX3WeW9zjBM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XX3WeW9zjBM)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2020, 12:21:19 PM
Former Cleveland Indians manager John McNamara, well known for his excellence in managing late game defensive replacements, has died.

RIP Johnny Mac


He let Buckner take the hits from the rabid Bostonians looking for a scapegoat in '86.



A good manager would have taken the blame himself for blowing that Series.

Sox don't win that game anyway
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 30, 2020, 12:32:11 PM
Former Cleveland Indians manager John McNamara, well known for his excellence in managing late game defensive replacements, has died.

RIP Johnny Mac


He let Buckner take the hits from the rabid Bostonians looking for a scapegoat in '86.



A good manager would have taken the blame himself for blowing that Series.

And deserved it.

But he got plenty of blame for leaving Buck in, unlike what he'd done most of the season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2020, 01:03:04 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1288875903641059328

Phils coach and clubhousse attendant test positive

All players thus far negative and they will play 2 on Saturday
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2020, 01:26:58 PM
I'm giving this "season" another two weeks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 30, 2020, 01:30:34 PM
I'm giving this "season" another two weeks.
Yep.

Then we can start writing the trivia questions for the future.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 30, 2020, 11:00:40 PM
Winning Streak!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2020, 12:27:11 PM
Postponement streak is up to 6 games in Philly. Anyone know the record for most games postponed in a row in MLB history?

And here come the Cardinals to try to make their own mark:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 31, 2020, 12:29:21 PM
Postponement streak is up to 6 games in Philly. Anyone know the record for most games postponed in a row in MLB history?

And here come the Cardinals to try to make their own mark:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html)

Clearly a different or additional playoff system need to happen for the teams that play the fewest games or have the fewest available players. Like the old 3 on 3 types of contests! Pitcher, catcher, fielder.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2020, 12:33:53 PM
Postponement streak is up to 6 games in Philly. Anyone know the record for most games postponed in a row in MLB history?

And here come the Cardinals to try to make their own mark:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html)

Clearly a different or additional playoff system need to happen for the teams that play the fewest games or have the fewest available players. Like the old 3 on 3 types of contests! Pitcher, catcher, fielder.

They are exploring playing either two 7-inning games or one 9-inning game and one 7-inning game for make-up doubleheaders.

But they may end up playing home run derby. Your best pitcher who is still healthy vs our best hitter who is still healthy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2020, 12:52:20 PM
Postponement streak is up to 6 games in Philly. Anyone know the record for most games postponed in a row in MLB history?

And here come the Cardinals to try to make their own mark:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html)

Clearly a different or additional playoff system need to happen for the teams that play the fewest games or have the fewest available players. Like the old 3 on 3 types of contests! Pitcher, catcher, fielder.

They are exploring playing either two 7-inning games or one 9-inning game and one 7-inning game for make-up doubleheaders.

But they may end up playing home run derby. Your best pitcher who is still healthy vs our best hitter who is still healthy.

7-inning double-headers were approved yesterday by the MLB and the players union.

I understand they will be separate non-admission double-headers

good question about the string of postponements.

IIRC Game 6 of the '75 WS was delayed by 3 days of rain

And after the 9-11 attack I think games were postponed for a week.

in any case there wil be no escaping the *this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2020, 01:06:55 PM
Postponement streak is up to 6 games in Philly. Anyone know the record for most games postponed in a row in MLB history?

And here come the Cardinals to try to make their own mark:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html)

Clearly a different or additional playoff system need to happen for the teams that play the fewest games or have the fewest available players. Like the old 3 on 3 types of contests! Pitcher, catcher, fielder.

They are exploring playing either two 7-inning games or one 9-inning game and one 7-inning game for make-up doubleheaders.

But they may end up playing home run derby. Your best pitcher who is still healthy vs our best hitter who is still healthy.

7-inning double-headers were approved yesterday by the MLB and the players union.

I understand they will be separate non-admission double-headers

good question about the string of postponements.

IIRC Game 6 of the '75 WS was delayed by 3 days of rain

And after the 9-11 attack I think games were postponed for a week.

in any case there wil be no escaping the *this year.

I think April of 2018 had a ton of postponements, too, which were weather related, but I don't know the MLB record.

The Phillies-Tampa Bay WS was also postponed Game 5 for two days after the Rays rallied in the rain to tie it at 2-2 in the top of the sixth. The field was a mess, but asked of Bud Selig back then was what would've happened if the Phils had maintained their lead and taken it into the bottom of the sixth? Would they have been awarded a win?

Bud's answer:

"There is no way I would have let a World Series game end that way.I would have delayed it till Thanksgiving if I had to."

I'm guessing Bud is glad he's retired, now, and doesn't have to deal with this Covid nightmare.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 31, 2020, 01:25:04 PM
Postponement streak is up to 6 games in Philly. Anyone know the record for most games postponed in a row in MLB history?

And here come the Cardinals to try to make their own mark:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html)

Clearly a different or additional playoff system need to happen for the teams that play the fewest games or have the fewest available players. Like the old 3 on 3 types of contests! Pitcher, catcher, fielder.

They are exploring playing either two 7-inning games or one 9-inning game and one 7-inning game for make-up doubleheaders.

But they may end up playing home run derby. Your best pitcher who is still healthy vs our best hitter who is still healthy.

7-inning double-headers were approved yesterday by the MLB and the players union.

I understand they will be separate non-admission double-headers

good question about the string of postponements.

IIRC Game 6 of the '75 WS was delayed by 3 days of rain

And after the 9-11 attack I think games were postponed for a week.

in any case there wil be no escaping the *this year.
10 day earth quake delay in 1989 World Series.  3 straight postponements in 1962 World Series.  Both times in San Francisco...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2020, 02:07:29 PM
Postponement streak is up to 6 games in Philly. Anyone know the record for most games postponed in a row in MLB history?

And here come the Cardinals to try to make their own mark:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/sports/baseball/cardinals-twins-coronavirus-mlb.html)

Clearly a different or additional playoff system need to happen for the teams that play the fewest games or have the fewest available players. Like the old 3 on 3 types of contests! Pitcher, catcher, fielder.

They are exploring playing either two 7-inning games or one 9-inning game and one 7-inning game for make-up doubleheaders.

But they may end up playing home run derby. Your best pitcher who is still healthy vs our best hitter who is still healthy.

7-inning double-headers were approved yesterday by the MLB and the players union.

I understand they will be separate non-admission double-headers

good question about the string of postponements.

IIRC Game 6 of the '75 WS was delayed by 3 days of rain

And after the 9-11 attack I think games were postponed for a week.

in any case there wil be no escaping the *this year.
10 day earth quake delay in 1989 World Series.  3 straight postponements in 1962 World Series.  Both times in San Francisco...

Good point.

Calling for the season to end, already: https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/phillies-should-opt-out-mlb-season-covid-19-20200730.html (https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/phillies-should-opt-out-mlb-season-covid-19-20200730.html)

Phillies manager Joe Girardi suggested during a radio interview earlier this week that the problem could be solved by using a team’s winning percentage regardless of the number of games they have played when the time comes to seed the eight playoff teams in the National League and American League.

A better solution would be to just end the season right now. The Phillies’ players should get on board with that idea. They would be entirely justified if they told union leader Tony Clark and commissioner Rob Manfred that they wanted off this bumpy ride immediately. Even if some of the Marlins players were guilty of going out in Atlanta, the protocols put in place by MLB also failed the Phillies when Miami was allowed to take the field Sunday.



And now the odds are stacked against the Phillies in so many ways now. Let’s assume, and it’s a big assumption, they resume the season on Monday by beginning a four-game series against the New York Yankees with two games on the road and two more at Citizens Bank Park.

By the time that happens, the Phillies will have been off for seven days and even if they can find a way to work out between now and then, there is no substitute for actually playing games. In the best-case scenario, Aaron Nola will pitch Monday and Zack Wheeler will pitch Tuesday with each going on eight days’ rest. Extra rest is great in late July during a normal baseball season. It’s a detriment to getting into a routine and groove during a COVID-19 baseball season.


“The players aren’t playing baseball right now and they are used to playing almost daily,” Phillies general manager Matt Klentak said Wednesday. “We’ve had two starters [Jake Arrieta and Zach Eflin] who haven’t even been able to take their first turn through the rotation yet.”
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 31, 2020, 04:36:26 PM
The MLB season has now reached the end of July. Is it too early to talk about Shane Bieber as a Cy Young candidate?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2020, 08:57:30 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rob-manfred-warns-2020-mlb-season-could-shut-down-without-improvement-in-covid-19-containment-per-report/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rob-manfred-warns-2020-mlb-season-could-shut-down-without-improvement-in-covid-19-containment-per-report/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/07/31/rob-manfred-mlb-2020-season-covid-19-coronavirus/5559458002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/07/31/rob-manfred-mlb-2020-season-covid-19-coronavirus/5559458002/)

Manfred is positioning to blame the players for MLB shutting down, which it will within a week.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on July 31, 2020, 09:11:45 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rob-manfred-warns-2020-mlb-season-could-shut-down-without-improvement-in-covid-19-containment-per-report/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/rob-manfred-warns-2020-mlb-season-could-shut-down-without-improvement-in-covid-19-containment-per-report/)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/07/31/rob-manfred-mlb-2020-season-covid-19-coronavirus/5559458002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/07/31/rob-manfred-mlb-2020-season-covid-19-coronavirus/5559458002/)

Manfred is positioning to blame the players for MLB shutting down, which it will within a week.

He doesn't understand any more than Trump does just where the buck stops.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Kam on August 01, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
https://sports.theonion.com/federal-troops-tear-gas-yankees-off-field-so-trump-can-1844571417?utm_campaign=The+Onion&utm_content=1596237601&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook (https://sports.theonion.com/federal-troops-tear-gas-yankees-off-field-so-trump-can-1844571417?utm_campaign=The+Onion&utm_content=1596237601&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 02, 2020, 01:38:51 PM
After seeing this, I'm betting Roger Clemens was so pissed off he went out and threw a broken bat at the nearest guy with back acne!

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/yankees-broadcaster-suzyn-waldman-honors-gerrit-cole-request-by-singing-national-anthem-230803815.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/yankees-broadcaster-suzyn-waldman-honors-gerrit-cole-request-by-singing-national-anthem-230803815.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on August 02, 2020, 02:08:27 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/02/red-sox-ace-27-wont-pitch-this-season-because-heart-ailment-linked-covid-19/

When a healthy young athlete gets myocarditis,  from covid,  you get a solid reality check on "it's just bad flu. " 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 02, 2020, 07:48:47 PM
Cespedes was a no show today, followed by the news that he'd emptied his room and was backing out of the season, without so much as a by your leave to management.

Meanwhile, Joey Votto is self-reporting symptoms.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2020, 09:36:48 PM
Cool

Mets could use the money and the lineup slot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 03, 2020, 04:40:39 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/cardinals-covid-19-outbreak-more-positive-test-results-expected-per-report/

It's not good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 06, 2020, 11:48:24 PM
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Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 07, 2020, 08:18:06 AM
Sensitive Yankees:

A group of Philadelphia Phillies fans congregating outside Citizens Bank Park earned the annoyance of New York Yankees manager Aaron Boone on Thursday, all thanks to a strategically employed air horn.

The Yankees manager confronted umpires in the third inning about the matter, pointing to the fans standing by a gate. Per NBC Sports Philadelphia’s Corey Seidman, the fans’ air horn was clearly audible during at-bats throughout the top of third inning.


There was little the umpires could do with Boone’s complaints, as they hold no jurisdiction outside the stadium gates. The Phillies might be able to do something, though that hardly sounds like a winning battle for the team.

Per NBC Sports Philadelphia, the “Phandemic Crew” has become a fixture outside games early in the season, and even featured a drumline on Wednesday.

Boone: Air horn disturbed ‘golf environment’
After the game, Boone criticized the timing of the horn to reporters, calling the game “almost like a golf environment” and saying he just wanted to point out the matter to the umpires.


https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-takes-issue-with-phillies-fans-blowing-air-horn-during-atbats-044944928.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-takes-issue-with-phillies-fans-blowing-air-horn-during-atbats-044944928.html)

What's par for this next inning, Aaron?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 07, 2020, 09:29:10 AM
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Turns out hitting is way easier when you know what is coming.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 07, 2020, 10:54:00 AM
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Turns out hitting is way easier when you know what is coming.

Or, when you think the next pitch is coming at your little head.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 07, 2020, 08:30:14 PM
https://www.newser.com/story/294661/pitcher-got-lethal-fentanyl-from-team-employee-charges.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

Tyler Skaggs' death may have been from fentanyl he got from a non-medical professional with the team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2020, 10:20:33 AM
https://www.newser.com/story/294661/pitcher-got-lethal-fentanyl-from-team-employee-charges.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

Tyler Skaggs' death may have been from fentanyl he got from a non-medical professional with the team.

Hardly engenders empathy, when one is so stupid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2020, 10:24:35 AM
Astro. A synonym for cheater:

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/08/06/astros-emanuel-banned-80-games-for-performance-enhancer/ (https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/08/06/astros-emanuel-banned-80-games-for-performance-enhancer/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 08, 2020, 11:30:33 AM
https://www.newser.com/story/294661/pitcher-got-lethal-fentanyl-from-team-employee-charges.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

Tyler Skaggs' death may have been from fentanyl he got from a non-medical professional with the team.

Hardly engenders empathy, when one is so stupid.

I agree.

But I have even less sympathy for Eric Prescott Kay.

I have some for the other folks that Kay sold to, as I suspect that their lives are all about to be taking a sudden turn. OTOH, perhaps it will save their lives.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2020, 12:40:19 PM
https://www.newser.com/story/294661/pitcher-got-lethal-fentanyl-from-team-employee-charges.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

Tyler Skaggs' death may have been from fentanyl he got from a non-medical professional with the team.

Hardly engenders empathy, when one is so stupid.

I agree.

But I have even less sympathy for Eric Prescott Kay.

I have some for the other folks that Kay sold to, as I suspect that their lives are all about to be taking a sudden turn. OTOH, perhaps it will save their lives.

Agree with all of that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 08, 2020, 12:53:02 PM
https://www.newser.com/story/294661/pitcher-got-lethal-fentanyl-from-team-employee-charges.html?utm_source=part&utm_medium=uol&utm_campaign=rss_top

Tyler Skaggs' death may have been from fentanyl he got from a non-medical professional with the team.

Hardly engenders empathy, when one is so stupid.
Or when one has Trumpian levels of personal empathy. With opiod addiction, "stupidity" is usually not the issue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2020, 01:00:53 PM
Tyler Skaggs' death may have been from fentanyl he got from a non-medical professional with the team.



... and from CHI-NA.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 08, 2020, 01:17:26 PM
Tyler Skaggs' death may have been from fentanyl he got from a non-medical professional with the team.



... and from CHI-NA.
Technically he aspirated his own vomit. He had oxycodine and alcohol in his system as well.

Addictive behavior is generally not something on the smart / stupid continuum. Especially when pain medication is involved.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2020, 05:55:30 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/JClarkNBCS/status/1291562724640657414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1291562724640657414%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-30210632813019306443.ampproject.net%2F2007242032002%2Fframe.html (https://mobile.twitter.com/JClarkNBCS/status/1291562724640657414?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1291562724640657414%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-30210632813019306443.ampproject.net%2F2007242032002%2Fframe.html)

 Bronx privilege.

The other team's announcers talk too loud.

Yankee Noisegate worsens.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2020, 03:31:15 PM
Boone with his head up his ass ruins a good game by Paxton.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
Boone continues to have his head up his ass by bringing Holder out again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 09, 2020, 04:20:44 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 09, 2020, 04:46:25 PM
Boone continues to have his head up his ass by bringing Holder out again.

But he has a formidable team with which to work, which may overcome the location of his noggin, at least for the regular season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2020, 08:43:24 AM
https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-nationals-delay-20200809-ekw6fjvus5eq7ngdzbnwh3wcs4-story.html (https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-orioles-nationals-delay-20200809-ekw6fjvus5eq7ngdzbnwh3wcs4-story.html)


Yet, another fine mess in this bizarre 2020!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 10, 2020, 12:54:13 PM
I see Horace Clarke died last week. I am reminded of the poster on the old NYT fora from India who talked of his love for the greats of Yankees past "and especial Horace Clarke" with great Yankee fans like puddinhead6 on one rainy NE Ohio Saturday when I was really bored and felt like dicking around.

RIP Horace. One of my favorite Yankees from my favorite Yankee era.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2020, 01:07:34 PM
Horace truly represented to many the golden age of Yankee baseball.

RIP
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2020, 01:36:25 PM
I see Horace Clarke died last week. I am reminded of the poster on the old NYT fora from India who talked of his love for the greats of Yankees past "and especial Horace Clarke" with great Yankee fans like puddinhead6 on one rainy NE Ohio Saturday when I was really bored and felt like dicking around.

RIP Horace. One of my favorite Yankees from my favorite Yankee era.


Amen.

Kenney
Clark
Sanchez
Blomberg
Michael
Hansen

The wonder days of Yankee infielders

(but Puddinhead would love it if I reminded you - he's a Mets fan)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 10, 2020, 02:19:00 PM
I see Horace Clarke died last week. I am reminded of the poster on the old NYT fora from India who talked of his love for the greats of Yankees past "and especial Horace Clarke" with great Yankee fans like puddinhead6 on one rainy NE Ohio Saturday when I was really bored and felt like dicking around.

RIP Horace. One of my favorite Yankees from my favorite Yankee era.


Amen.

Kenney
Clark
Sanchez
Blomberg
Michael
Hansen

The wonder days of Yankee infielders

(but Puddinhead would love it if I reminded you - he's a Mets fan)
Well, that was the joke in "O. P. Chandrashekar" referring to him as a Yankee fan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 14, 2020, 10:19:56 AM
I think the Boston Rays have a good chance this year!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
Indians option Cleavinger and Plesac for Trumpish behavior.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 16, 2020, 01:18:09 PM
Indians option Cleavinger and Plesac for Trumpish behavior.

Clevinger issued this heartfelt, deep apology.

Then the Indians "punished" him by sending him to the lower 30 roster and he burst a gasket about the unfairness of it all. "They're saying I'm a bad teammate!" for example.

Mike, you were a bad teammate! And now you are being one, again.

To my mind, he deserves whatever (legal) punishment they choose to give him at this point.

I have not heard as much about Plesac.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2020, 09:41:24 PM
We need to play Detroit more often.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 17, 2020, 12:38:31 AM
This gawd forsaken 37% season from hell can't end soon enough.

*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 17, 2020, 11:34:35 AM
Today marks the 100th anniversary of the despicable murder of Ray Chapman by the blood thirsty murdering Yankee bastard Carl Mays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2020, 08:24:00 PM
I think there is nothing wrong with Fernando Tatis Jr.'s swinging away on the 3-0 count, other than if he had a sign telling him not to (and even then).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2020, 08:49:19 PM
Clearly, the answer is, "Josh! Stop watching our games!"

Avoided getting even closer to our record of losses in a row, this time, at least!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 22, 2020, 02:59:34 AM
Zoom!

The Red Sox have climbed from having lost 75% of their games all the way to losing a mere 66% of their games!

It's so exciting! If we can extend this winning streak to 12 (double our total wins prior to the streak's start) we can make it back to 50% wins! So exciting. A 63.63% winning record for the remainder of the season to break even. Sure, we can do that!

But hey, we're only 5.5 games back from the 8th playoff slot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 26, 2020, 10:14:46 PM
Our GM was asked, prior to tonight's game, when it would be time to decide to buy, sell, or stand pat. He expressed the hope that we would get really hot in this next week and force it to be a decision instead of something terribly clear.

Tonight's exciting 9-1 defeat may have helped to clarify it for him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2020, 05:56:10 PM
 The real problem with the Boston Red Sox continues.


The Red Sox didn't hold a team meeting about canceling their game against the Blue Jays in Buffalo as a form of protest. They didn't discuss following the lead of the NBA, which saw its entire slate of playoff games wiped clean, or even the lead of the Celtics, who had made it clear a day earlier that they didn't know if they'd be able to take the floor for Thursday's Game 1 against the Raptors.

Instead, Bradley spoke with manager Ron Roenicke and backup catcher Kevin Plawecki. We only know this because a local reporter criticized the team for not consulting him, and Bradley corrected the record to note the two who did -- which was effectively even more damning. Just the manager and the second-string catcher. No other teammates. No members of the front office? No one in ownership?

Three thousand miles away, a very different scene unfolded. As the Dodgers prepared for batting practice in San Francisco before playing the Giants, Betts told his teammates that he wouldn't play. Rather than leave him on an island, they rallied around him -- Black, White, and Latino -- and reached a decision.

If Mookie's not playing, none of us are.

Betts, unfairly left to shoulder these burdens with just a handful of minority teammates in Boston, sounded legitimately moved.

"I was already tight with everybody in the clubhouse, but now that I know that everybody has my back even more than I already thought, means a lot," he told reporters. "I'll always remember this day. I'll always remember this team just having my back."


Must feel very different for Mr. Betts.


https://sports.yahoo.com/mookie-betts-humbled-dodgers-support-044943620.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/mookie-betts-humbled-dodgers-support-044943620.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2020, 06:14:44 PM
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/phillies-players-unified-against-racial-injustice (https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/phillies-players-unified-against-racial-injustice)

Stand up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 27, 2020, 07:09:47 PM
The real problem with the Red Sox is they suck and have no pitching and are in tank-mode

But they are one team of what looks like 6 teams (3 games) that appear to have been postponed in solidarity with and lend moral support with other US pro athletes protesting racial injustice. It looks like at least 7 MLB games (14 teams) were played so far today.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/scoreboard (https://www.espn.com/mlb/scoreboard)

But the troll's gotta troll.

SSDD

and fwiw Mookie went 1for-3 in today's first game of a double-header

don't know if he's playing in the night-cap which is scheduled to start shortly.

A more interesting story is the false drama PR stunt that Manfred wanted to fabricate with the Mets about postponing their game

https://www.amny.com/sports/mlb-tried-to-force-mets-marlins-to-play-after-pr-stunt-thursday-night (https://www.amny.com/sports/mlb-tried-to-force-mets-marlins-to-play-after-pr-stunt-thursday-night)

In a leaked video, New York Mets general manager Brodie Van Wagenen revealed that MLB commissioner Rob Manfred attempted to pull a public-relations stunt with the Mets and Miami Marlins on Thursday night in response to the growing civil unrest that has mounted since the shooting of Jacob Blake on Sunday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 27, 2020, 09:25:49 PM
I see you're still pivoting.

Too bad you can't face the reality of the Sox letting their one black player twist in the wind.

Here's more of the true narrative you wish to avoid:
So whenever there are issues about racial injustice that overflow from the national conversation into our sacred world of sports, Bradley has to answer the questions about what it’s like to be playing baseball while Black people are being killed by police officers in the streets.

He’s perfectly adequate at handling the responsibility and would never complain, but most of us in Boston are wondering: where are his teammates? Why can’t one of the white players come out and make a statement, or make himself available to the press to tell Red Sox Nation that the team is upset about the current events and supports Bradley and the other Black players in MLB? Or that they’re engaging Bradley in conversations and trying to learn what they can from him about the rare experience of being a Black big leaguer?


https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/27/jackie-bradley-jr-all-alone-as-red-sox-only-black-player/ (https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/08/27/jackie-bradley-jr-all-alone-as-red-sox-only-black-player/)

Because they don't have to. It's Boston.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 27, 2020, 09:52:30 PM
Still obssessed with Boston and still trolling.

I read last year that African-Americans account for about 8% of MLB players down from around 19% in 1975.

Last year and for several years before that (off the top of my head) the sox employed at least 3 A-A ballplayers, JBJ, Betts and Price (12% of the 25 man roster) or about 50% higher than the MLB average. If I took a look at their 40 man roster I would not be surprsied if I discovered more A-A players.

And as we know the Sox tried for the past two years to sign Betts, first a 8-200 million deal after 2018, and then 10-300 million last year. But it was not to be and they packaged Price (under a long-term contract) and Betts who it appeared would be lost to FA, and traded them to the LADs to max-out their return, and get under the salary cap. Nobody liked the trade.

except of course mindless trolls, who foolishly look at the trade and assign darker motivations to it.

I'd ask you to do better, but we both know you can't.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2020, 10:22:02 PM
Pivoting away from the problem doesn't solve it, banks.

You'd rather talk about the Mets than the fact that the Sox abandon minorities on their "team", leaving them on an island of despair and discomfort.

SSDD

Betts left for the cash, pure and simple

No other reason, number one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 27, 2020, 10:24:40 PM
Because they don't have to. They are paid to play baseball.




FIFY
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 28, 2020, 03:37:53 PM
Pivoting away from the problem doesn't solve it, banks.

You'd rather talk about the Mets than the fact that the Sox abandon minorities on their "team", leaving them on an island of despair and discomfort.

SSDD

Betts left for the cash, pure and simple

No other reason, number one.

Miss the point, much, kid?

They abandoned him by having him face the onslaught of questions by the media regarding the issues surrounding BLM, etc. The posts I put up have nothing to do with Banks's pivot to make it about Betts going to LA.

Read it again. "where are his teammates? Why can’t one of the white players come out and make a statement, or make himself available to the press to tell Red Sox Nation that the team is upset about the current events and supports Bradley and the other Black players in MLB? Or that they’re engaging Bradley in conversations and trying to learn what they can from him about the rare experience of being a Black big leaguer?"

"The Red Sox didn't hold a team meeting about canceling their game against the Blue Jays in Buffalo as a form of protest. They didn't discuss following the lead of the NBA, which saw its entire slate of playoff games wiped clean, or even the lead of the Celtics, who had made it clear a day earlier that they didn't know if they'd be able to take the floor for Thursday's Game 1 against the Raptors.

Instead, Bradley spoke with manager Ron Roenicke and backup catcher Kevin Plawecki. We only know this because a local reporter criticized the team for not consulting him, and Bradley corrected the record to note the two who did -- which was effectively even more damning. Just the manager and the second-string catcher. No other teammates. No members of the front office? No one in ownership?"


Focus, again. Bradley was abandoned by his team, his teammates, and the organization.

Very sad. But not unexpected in Beantown.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 28, 2020, 04:42:16 PM
Bradley went to his manager and told him he did not want to play.

and then his teammates met and agreed to strike and then spoke publcly supporting JBJ

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/27/sports/thursday-red-sox-used-their-voice-stood-with-their-teammate-jackie-bradley-jr/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/27/sports/thursday-red-sox-used-their-voice-stood-with-their-teammate-jackie-bradley-jr/?event=event12)

Bradley decided early in the day that he would sit out the game against the Toronto Blue Jays, joining the dozens of baseball, basketball, and soccer players who did that Wednesday night to protest the shooting of Jacob Blake in Wisconsin.

He spoke to manager Ron Roenicke and chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom about his decision and informed his teammates.

But when Bradley took it on again Thursday, his teammates were there to help. Bradley offered them a free pass, saying he’d understand if they went ahead and played. But the Sox met at 4 p.m. and decided to essentially go on strike for a day and add their voices to the movement.

The Blue Jays, who voted to play, quickly lent their support.

Bradley didn’t speak to reporters on Thursday. Teammates Xander Bogaerts, Nate Eovaldi, and Kevin Pillar did. They took on the task of explaining why this is an important issue within baseball and society.

“For us, it’s coming together,” Eovaldi said. “We’re playing a game. We’re on the same team and everything, but we’re a family. I think it comes down to the brotherhood and things like that. I want to be there and support Jackie.”


I imagine scenes similiar to this took place in several MLB clubhouses, where there are just a small handful of black ballplayers (about 8% of 2 players per team).

As usual Utley gets his facts wrong or ignores the facts and constructs a false narrative to feed his gnawing obsession.

As shown, there was no abandonment. But rather 24 other players supported their 1 black teamate and several spoke on his behalf.

Utley intentionally distorts the facts about one of a few teams that supported a black teamate and boycotted last night's game.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2020, 10:35:40 AM
An MLB Forum rises from the ashes

RIP AL Forum


and there is joy in Metville-and it has nothing to do with a double-header sweep of the Ys

Steve Cohen is closing in on buying the Mets

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29762854/alex-rodriguez-group-withdraws-mets-offer-amid-report-steve-cohen-finalizing-deal (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/29762854/alex-rodriguez-group-withdraws-mets-offer-amid-report-steve-cohen-finalizing-deal)

Billionaire Steve Cohen has reentered into negotiations to purchase the New York Mets, hoping to salvage a deal for the franchise after a previous agreement to buy the team fell apart, a source familiar with the organization's sale confirmed to ESPN.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2020, 01:34:24 PM
MLB's trade deadline is Monday at 4 p.m. and Bradley has felt like a candidate to be moved since opening night in July. He's a free agent this fall, he's almost certainly no longer a part of the team's future, and he's probably ready for a change of scenery anyway after eight seasons in Boston.

Objectively, it makes sense to deal him now for something of value before he leaves for nothing this winter, since the Red Sox probably won't make a qualifying offer in these uncertain economic times.



But the last two days have made Bradley the most important member of the Red Sox, and one of the most significant athletes in Boston. As the team's only Black player, he was regrettably left to speak for the entire organization on Wednesday following the decision to play rather than stand in solidarity with NBA players, who had wiped out a night of playoff games with a wildcat strike after yet another incident of police brutality, this time in Wisconsin....

The Red Sox, meanwhile, must continue to reckon with their own dismal history, and not just because they were the last team to integrate. Since 2017 alone, they have found themselves at the center of controversies like Orioles outfielder Adam Jones hearing racist slurs in Fenway Park, a fan earning a lifetime ban for life for saying something similar during the national anthem the very next night, a divisive visit to the White House in 2019, and most players declining to kneel during a moment of unity on opening night in the wake of George Floyd's murder at the hands of a Minnesota police officer.


These things have a way of catching up to an organization.

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/can-red-sox-really-trade-jackie-bradley-jr-time-social-injustice (https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/can-red-sox-really-trade-jackie-bradley-jr-time-social-injustice)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2020, 03:04:40 PM
Quote
These things have a way of catching up to an organization.

I wonder what explains the Philles historical record of ineptitude, the worst of the original 16 teams?  Was it almost 140 years of bad luck, or poor management, terrible decisions, or perhaps a fan base that is so clueless that management felt all it had to do was put a team on the field to satisfy the moron?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2020, 03:27:13 PM
According to this article, 20 of 30 MLB teams, boycotted games.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/29/sports/baseball-was-slow-get-board-with-protests/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/29/sports/baseball-was-slow-get-board-with-protests/)

Baseball doesn’t fit in a bubble. There were 16 games in 11 states and the District of Columbia scheduled on Wednesday. Only three of those games weren’t played.


Baseball caught up a bit on Thursday when seven games were called off. That 20 of the 30 teams felt compelled to act was a historic series of events for the league.

That 10 teams — the Yankees and Cardinals among them — played on is something they’ll have to assess.

Suffice it to say, it can’t be comfortable to be a Black player in any of those organizations.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2020, 04:03:14 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2020, 04:32:31 PM
Statement win today:

https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-verizon&sxsrf=ALeKk00KJUww4LReynV24pk2l-4Wiq61rQ%3A1598732938551&ei=irpKX5ucIc2tytMP4qWG6Ac&q=phillies+&oq=phillies+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBAgjECcyBAgjECcyBAgjECcyCAgAELEDEIMBMgIIADIFCAAQsQMyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDAToECAAQR1CnHVi2ImCyKWgAcAF4AIABV4gBvQeSAQIxNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#scso=_lbpKX8_ECsaFytMPjOCD0Ak1:905.1428833007812&sie=m;/g/11jdtg2m6t;4;/m/09p14;dt;fp;1;; (https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-verizon&sxsrf=ALeKk00KJUww4LReynV24pk2l-4Wiq61rQ%3A1598732938551&ei=irpKX5ucIc2tytMP4qWG6Ac&q=phillies+&oq=phillies+&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBAgjECcyBAgjECcyBAgjECcyCAgAELEDEIMBMgIIADIFCAAQsQMyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDAToECAAQR1CnHVi2ImCyKWgAcAF4AIABV4gBvQeSAQIxNJgBAKABAcABAQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp#scso=_lbpKX8_ECsaFytMPjOCD0Ak1:905.1428833007812&sie=m;/g/11jdtg2m6t;4;/m/09p14;dt;fp;1;;)

Wondering who gets JD Martinez and Xander Boegarts?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2020, 05:24:18 PM
Statement win today:


What makes it a statement win?

And does it connect to your question in some specific way or is that a separate notion tossed in for other reasons?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2020, 05:25:44 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)

Was there a particular reason you wanted me to look at my own Twitter page?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2020, 07:17:15 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)

Was there a particular reason you wanted me to look at my own Twitter page?!

Should have linked you to Ken Rosenthal and his tweet about Trevor Rosenthal  going to the Pads.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2020, 08:17:29 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/home (https://mobile.twitter.com/home)

Was there a particular reason you wanted me to look at my own Twitter page?!

Should have linked you to Ken Rosenthal and his tweet about Trevor Rosenthal  going to the Pads.

Seems like a more appropriate link, yes!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 30, 2020, 08:24:57 AM
Sox should keep JBJ

Not getting much anyway.

Re-sign if he is willing.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2020, 12:48:19 PM
Sox trade Mitchy 2-bags to Pads

get 2 prospects

call up Dalbec

the tankathon continues


https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/30/sports/red-sox-trade-mitch-moreland-padres/?event=event12 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/30/sports/red-sox-trade-mitch-moreland-padres/?event=event12)

With Monday’s trade deadline approaching, the Red Sox dealt yet another on- and off-field anchor of their recent teams, this time trading first baseman Mitch Moreland to the Padres in exchange for infielder Hudson Potts and outfielder Jeisson Rosario.

thanks for the ring and good luck in SD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2020, 02:32:49 PM
 Mighty Miggy Cabrera collects his 2000th hit as a Tiger.

https://www.mlb.com/video/miguel-cabrera-s-rbi-single830?t=most-popular (https://www.mlb.com/video/miguel-cabrera-s-rbi-single830?t=most-popular)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2020, 03:51:00 PM
another franchise crippling signing by Dave D.

JFC

the millions that guy has pissed away
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 30, 2020, 04:09:51 PM
Sox trade Mitchy 2-bags for infielder Hudson Potts and outfielder Jeisson Rosario.[/b]


I'll miss him, for all that I will enjoy seeing Chavis more than we did.

Are they any good, Banks?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2020, 04:14:33 PM
Sox trade Mitchy 2-bags for infielder Hudson Potts and outfielder Jeisson Rosario.[/b]


I'll miss him, for all that I will enjoy seeing Chavis more than we did.

Are they any good, Banks?

I really don't know. My 2nd hand sources have them as decent prospects, part of rebuilding the farm type guys, (from the Dombrowski harvesting) maybe fodder for future trades.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 30, 2020, 05:51:40 PM
heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 30, 2020, 06:43:25 PM
heh


which part of the post made you "heh" kid?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/30/sports/red-sox-trade-mitch-moreland-padres/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/30/sports/red-sox-trade-mitch-moreland-padres/)

this has some info on the two prospects-although its not as funny as my post

heh

In Potts and Rosario, the team believes it accomplished that, acquiring players who one N.L. evaluator described as “two real prospects.”

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 31, 2020, 07:33:50 PM
Goodbye, Kevin Pillar. It was a pleasure and a privilege to watch you play at Fenway this short season. You are a big reason that I wish we'd had more games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2020, 09:21:42 PM
yep

heh

https://lastwordonbaseball.com/2020/08/30/hudson-potts-jeisson-rosario-scouting-report/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 31, 2020, 10:01:19 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jaysonst/status/1300611564345712641 (https://mobile.twitter.com/jaysonst/status/1300611564345712641)

Workman needed the work.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on August 31, 2020, 10:24:05 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/jaysonst/status/1300611564345712641 (https://mobile.twitter.com/jaysonst/status/1300611564345712641)

Workman needed the work.

I liked the comment, "They didn't trade for Brandon Restman."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 01, 2020, 10:08:37 AM
heh


which part of the post made you "heh" kid?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/30/sports/red-sox-trade-mitch-moreland-padres/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/08/30/sports/red-sox-trade-mitch-moreland-padres/)

this has some info on the two prospects-although its not as funny as my post

heh

In Potts and Rosario, the team believes it accomplished that, acquiring players who one N.L. evaluator described as “two real prospects.”
Real as in potential top shelf players or real is an "not Sidd Finch"?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2020, 12:13:16 PM
One no average, one no power = 2 stiffs

You have to at least get one arm in that deal if you are Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on September 01, 2020, 12:35:36 PM
One no average, one no power = 2 stiffs

You have to at least get one arm in that deal if you are Sox

BleacherReport disagrees with your estimation of the trade:
Quote
For the Padres: A

The Padres have one of the best offenses in baseball, but it's been relatively weak at designated hitter. That's where Moreland, who bears a 1.177 OPS and eight home runs, figures to slot in. To boot, he has a $3 million club option that could keep him in San Diego next year.

Both Rosario and Potts are legitimate prospects, but neither was among the best of San Diego's loaded system. So as win-now trades go, this is a good one.

     

For the Red Sox: A

Though neither Rosario nor Potts placed highly in San Diego, they now rank as Boston's No. 16 and 20 prospects on MLB.com.

That's a good haul for Moreland, and one that the Red Sox were right to pursue. Though they could have kept him through 2021, his up-and-down nature gave them a good excuse to sell high.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2020, 03:16:06 PM
Teams with best offenses:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/table/batting/sort/OPS/dir/desc (https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/table/batting/sort/OPS/dir/desc)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 01, 2020, 03:18:34 PM
Teams with best pitching:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/view/pitching/table/pitching/sort/opponentAvg/dir/asc (https://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/view/pitching/table/pitching/sort/opponentAvg/dir/asc)

So, how come no one is talking about the White Sox?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 02, 2020, 08:34:16 PM
Tom Seaver died today. So terribly sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2020, 08:37:00 PM
TOM SEAVER
RIP

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/ (https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/)

Tom Seaver, arguably the greatest New York Met ever, died early Monday at age 75, per multiple reports.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo4 on September 02, 2020, 09:01:45 PM
TOM SEAVER
RIP

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/ (https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/)

Tom Seaver, arguably the greatest New York Met ever, died early Monday at age 75, per multiple reports.

Tom Seaver died today. So terribly sad.

I'm sorry to hear it. He was brilliant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 02, 2020, 10:15:30 PM
TOM SEAVER
RIP

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/ (https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/)

Tom Seaver, arguably the greatest New York Met ever, died early Monday at age 75, per multiple reports.

  Seaver passed peacefully in his sleep of complications of Lewy body dementia and COVID-19.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 03, 2020, 09:32:12 AM
TOM SEAVER
RIP

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/ (https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/09/02/tom-seaver-ny-mets-legend-dead-covid-dementia-complications/5699265002/)

Tom Seaver, arguably the greatest New York Met ever, died early Monday at age 75, per multiple reports.

  Seaver passed peacefully in his sleep of complications of Lewy body dementia and COVID-19.
The Trump Virus claims another victim.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 03, 2020, 01:03:31 PM
https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cubs/ct-chicago-cubs-draftkings-wrigley-field-gambling-20200903-7aaoedgk4nfyrowzcooa7bfyde-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cubs/ct-chicago-cubs-draftkings-wrigley-field-gambling-20200903-7aaoedgk4nfyrowzcooa7bfyde-story.html)

Gambling is nothing new at Wrigley Field, as long-time bleacher denizens know, but the ballpark may be getting a legal sportsbook if the Chicago Cubs and DraftKings get their way.

The team on Thursday announced it has partnered with the Boston-based sports betting outfit and plans to establish DraftKings Sportsbook at Wrigley Field, pending necessary approvals....The Cubs said the proposed sportsbook with DraftKings would offer online access in the area surrounding the ballpark.


What could go wrong?

Players couldn't possibly go into the clubhouse during the game and make bets, could they? Or could they just send a clubhouse guy to make the bet for them?


That's just off the top of my head.

I know that they could be doing this already, in some capacity, but putting the fox inside the hen house could well turn a few chickens' heads.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 03, 2020, 05:19:24 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/09/03/sports/if-tom-seaver-hadnt-been-hurt-1986-red-sox-might-have-won-that-world-series/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/09/03/sports/if-tom-seaver-hadnt-been-hurt-1986-red-sox-might-have-won-that-world-series/)

Sure. Uh-huh. Yeah, right.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2020, 08:10:11 PM
I guess there are no newspapers in Philly worth reading. But i wouldn't know as I don't waste my time searching for shit to troll others with.
In any case.

But he Seaver) also pitched the final games of his career for the Boston Red Sox in 1986. And if he hadn’t hurt his knee in Toronto in late September, he would have started Game 4 of the World Series against the Mets instead of Al Nipper. With Seaver in the rotation, I believe the Red Sox would have won that haunting World Series.


For a team-up 2-1, playing at home in Game 4, having Seaver, a tested WS veteran, and who had pitched pretty well for the Sox, (3.80 ERA) would have been an big upgrade over Nipper, who pitched to a 5.38 ERA in '86, and was making his post-season debut.

That doesn't seem a wild speculation about Seaver or the '86 series. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 03, 2020, 08:22:08 PM
15 quality starts for Seaver out of 28

8 out of 24 for Nipper

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 03, 2020, 11:19:01 PM
I guess there are no newspapers in Philly worth reading. But i wouldn't know as I don't waste my time searching for shit to troll others with.
In any case.

But he Seaver) also pitched the final games of his career for the Boston Red Sox in 1986. And if he hadn’t hurt his knee in Toronto in late September, he would have started Game 4 of the World Series against the Mets instead of Al Nipper. With Seaver in the rotation, I believe the Red Sox would have won that haunting World Series.


For a team-up 2-1, playing at home in Game 4, having Seaver, a tested WS veteran, and who had pitched pretty well for the Sox, (3.80 ERA) would have been an big upgrade over Nipper, who pitched to a 5.38 ERA in '86, and was making his post-season debut.

That doesn't seem a wild speculation about Seaver or the '86 series.

Defending the continued whining from 1986.

Too fucking funny!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 03, 2020, 11:48:35 PM
I guess there are no newspapers in Philly worth reading. But i wouldn't know as I don't waste my time searching for shit to troll others with.
In any case.

But he Seaver) also pitched the final games of his career for the Boston Red Sox in 1986. And if he hadn’t hurt his knee in Toronto in late September, he would have started Game 4 of the World Series against the Mets instead of Al Nipper. With Seaver in the rotation, I believe the Red Sox would have won that haunting World Series.


For a team-up 2-1, playing at home in Game 4, having Seaver, a tested WS veteran, and who had pitched pretty well for the Sox, (3.80 ERA) would have been an big upgrade over Nipper, who pitched to a 5.38 ERA in '86, and was making his post-season debut.

That doesn't seem a wild speculation about Seaver or the '86 series.

Defending the continued whining from 1986.

Too fucking funny!!!

What's too fucking funny is you don't understand Shaughnessy's use of the word "might" in giving his opinion.

Keep on trolling moron

TFF
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 05, 2020, 12:11:41 AM
Red Sox fans are the losingest team in all of MLB.

Guess that's why their fans are all in hiding.


This won't help: https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/09/boston-red-sox-lay-off-nine-employees-from-scouting-and-player-development-staffs.html?outputType=amp (https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/09/boston-red-sox-lay-off-nine-employees-from-scouting-and-player-development-staffs.html?outputType=amp)



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2020, 01:06:31 AM
heh

troll still trolling

and doing so in an incoherent manner.

SSDD

Quote
Red Sox fans are the losingest team in all of MLB.


As Sox fans are aware and as I've commented on, they are in the midst of tankathon rebuild 2020 and they suck

I guess the troll for all his deep dives into all things Boston missed the trades pre and during the season that reshaped the team

He should probably come up for air and see the light.

But the losingest team in all baseball for all time remains the Philles and by a wide margin.

As the troll proves every day, 137 years of suck creates an angry ignorant and jealous fan base.

and the troll sucks hard every day

Nothing unusual about COO, or a new head of baseball ops, (eg. Chaim Bloom ) making some changes in FO personal and presumably bringing in new personal that he feels more comfortable with.

Or it could be related to belt-tightening in a revenue constrained covid worldthat might stretch into 2021.

I guess they don't teach principles of management or business strategy or much else at the troll's alma mater, Douche Bag A&M

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 05, 2020, 12:01:23 PM
Heh

Still losing.

Bottom line, the Boston fans have walked away from the team. Covid or no Covid, the product on the field would still yield an empty Fenway.

Certainly no real baseball fans with Bosox allegiance to be seen around here.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2020, 12:13:31 PM
Quote
Still losing.

yes you are.

its a habit you established years ago.

I'm pretty sure you own the record for losing on the internet.

Congrats troll for cementing your place on the list of unfortunate forgetable accomplishments.

much like your team of choice-the Phillies-137 years of suck.



in any case, attendance at Fenway is way off this year.

the troll provides so much unintentional comedy gold.

He's a real pure-bred Philly fan

angry, ignorant and jealous

with nothing better to do in his pathetic life than to troll a sports forum

TFF

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2020, 12:48:12 PM
FYI re MLB non-player cost reductions

lots of teams are cutting non-players, scouting, etc.

here are the Ys and Angels.

https://theathletic.com/2023800/2020/08/26/player-development-staff-is-hit-hard-in-yankees-furloughs-and-layoffs/ (https://theathletic.com/2023800/2020/08/26/player-development-staff-is-hit-hard-in-yankees-furloughs-and-layoffs/)

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/angels-to-make-significant-cuts-to-scouting-department-furloughing-multiple-employees-prior-to-mlb-draft/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/angels-to-make-significant-cuts-to-scouting-department-furloughing-multiple-employees-prior-to-mlb-draft/)

Her's a late May 2020 list of all teams and their plans for cost reductions

https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-30-teams-employment-plans-for-baseball-operations-employees/ (https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/all-30-teams-employment-plans-for-baseball-operations-employees/)

Phillies: Employment guaranteed with no furloughs through October.


Phillies management was unaware there were any revenue-expense issues that might need to be addressed.

there's a reason why they have been the worst team in MLB for 137 years.

and have spawned generations of ignorant, angry and jealous orcs as fans.

heh

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 05, 2020, 09:47:06 PM
Looks like the RSN is nothing but a banana republic, now.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2020, 08:01:54 PM
Lou Brock

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-legend-lou-brock-dies-sunday-afternoon-at-81/article_1fb0067d-7526-5d8c-b92d-4896a9b91e6b.html (https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-legend-lou-brock-dies-sunday-afternoon-at-81/article_1fb0067d-7526-5d8c-b92d-4896a9b91e6b.html)

St. Louis Cardinals' Hall of Famer Lou Brock, who had fought through a number of medical conditions in recent years, died Sunday afternoon. He was 81.

I was lucky enough to see Lou from the CF bleachers in G2 and G7 of the '67 WS.
He destroyed the Sox with his bat and legs.

RIP Lou
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2020, 08:41:56 PM
Milt Pappas was an excellent pitcher.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2020, 09:01:58 PM
I remember him with the Os early-mid 60s.

they did a helluva job finding pitchers back then

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 06, 2020, 10:16:20 PM
Wait - Pappas was for Robby.  Who was it for Brock?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 06, 2020, 10:43:50 PM
Ernie Broglio
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2020, 11:27:11 PM
Ernie Broglio

My Macgregor "Ernie Broglio" glove was probably my most important possession from age 9-13
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2020, 11:30:34 PM
Milt Pappas was an excellent pitcher.

I was wondering why Milt Pappas came out of the blue
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on September 07, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
MLB today had a discussion on Seaver and Brock, discussing how linked their careers were, noting among other things that nobody pitched to Brock more often than Seaver and nobody hit against Seaver more than Brock.

I could not quickly find what batter/pitcher combination had happened most frequently.

Anybody have a good way to find that?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 07, 2020, 02:10:38 PM
MLB today had a discussion on Seaver and Brock, discussing how linked their careers were, noting among other things that nobody pitched to Brock more often than Seaver and nobody hit against Seaver more than Brock.

I could not quickly find what batter/pitcher combination had happened most frequently.

Anybody have a good way to find that?

there's a custom search function on baseballref.com but I think its subscription-based.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 07, 2020, 09:19:37 PM
Ernie Broglio

My Macgregor "Ernie Broglio" glove was probably my most important possession from age 9-13
Mine was an inherited from my dad Bobby Shantz glove.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2020, 12:20:35 AM
WTF is going on with the Ys?

I saw they were up 6-2 against the Buffalo BJs and figured game over.

But the BJS put up a 10 spot.

This last 3 weeks they can't get out of their own way.

They were huge favorites to meet the LADs in the WS, and they might, but WTF is going on?

I may have to start paying attention and swap the Sox for schadenfreude.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Echo2 on September 08, 2020, 03:06:55 AM
WTF is going on with the Ys?

I saw they were up 6-2 against the Buffalo BJs and figured game over.

But the BJS put up a 10 spot.

This last 3 weeks they can't get out of their own way.

They were huge favorites to meet the LADs in the WS, and they might, but WTF is going on?

I may have to start paying attention and swap the Sox for schadenfreude.

Far as I could tell, the point at which Judge's stay on the injury list got extended the team fell apart.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 10, 2020, 10:45:00 AM
  A seven-game regular-season series between the Phillies and Marlins will be played over the next five days in Miami. Four of those games will be seven innings as part of double-headers.

According to Jayson Stark the last time there were teams engaged in a regular season 7-game series was in 1967 at Wrigley Field with the Cubs vs the Mets.

And the "Last Phillies 7-gamer with a winner in all 7 games: 8/2-6/1930 - in Boston vs. the Braves!"

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 21, 2020, 04:47:48 PM
Wondered where banks was, yesterday:

https://nypost.com/2020/09/20/red-sox-fan-sneaks-into-fenway-park-during-yankees-game-in-worrisome-scene/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/20/red-sox-fan-sneaks-into-fenway-park-during-yankees-game-in-worrisome-scene/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 03:06:20 PM
Checking in on my adopted NL team Philadelphia today (Nola on the hill, Realmuto back)

Miami   28-26
Philly     27-27

Who'd have thought?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2020, 03:50:07 PM
Checking in on my adopted NL team Philadelphia today (Nola on the hill, Realmuto back)

Miami   28-26
Philly     27-27

Who'd have thought?

Philly has played 54 games and led in 47 of them.

Clearly the problem has been in the pen. Once the injuries began to add up, you'd think they're dead. But, here they are. Marlins I predicted to compete.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 22, 2020, 06:28:42 PM
Philly has played 54 games and led in 47 of them.



Just not today

heh

Cool stat though

Who'd have thought after last year you'd covet Edwin Diaz so...


edit - second game they led, now 48/56.  Amazing
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2020, 03:30:33 PM
*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 25, 2020, 07:27:51 PM
I will agree with you banks if and only if the Indians do not win the series. If they do win it all than fuck you and your asterisk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2020, 08:29:53 PM
boz

Don't shoot the messenger, I was just an early adopter of what seemed obvious about a 60 game season, with so many other rule changes, as to dictate the use of an

*.

As to... "only if the Indians*..."

Who?

* Aren't they the team to be named later

best of luck in the tourney
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2020, 02:28:21 PM
Jayson Stark
@jaysonst

·
 
The #Phillies (2 games under .500) have now scored first in 41 of their 59 games.

The Dodgers (24 games over .500) have scored first in 38.

Record when scoring first:

Dodgers 29-9
Phillies 21-19

A GM once told me: “When your bullpen stinks, your team stinks.”


End of story.

The pen is so leaky the entire crew needs to wear Depends.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2020, 04:23:22 PM


It looks like Grady Little Syndrome has kicked in again at Fenway as Ron Roenicke is let go. Ron wasn't as good a cheater, it seems, as CHEATING CORA:

 

“As manager, he showed poise and leadership in navigating an extremely challenging year. We are grateful for all of his contributions in our uniform.”

Roenicke replaced Cora in February after Cora and Boston split following MLB’s report on the Astros’ cheating during the 2017 season, when Cora was Houston’s bench coach. Roenicke had previously served as bench coach under Cora. Cora was later banned by MLB for one season.

Multiple reporters added fuel to Cora’s potential return on Twitter Sunday. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports Red Sox ownership “was among [Cora’s] biggest supporters. So do not rule out a return.”
 

Yep. They love to cheat up there in New England.

Cora really should have been banned for life, but I guess his Boston connections saved his ass.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 27, 2020, 04:30:32 PM


It looks like Grady Little Syndrome has kicked in again at Fenway as Ron Roenicke is let go. Ron wasn't as good a cheater, it seems, as CHEATING CORA:

 

“As manager, he showed poise and leadership in navigating an extremely challenging year. We are grateful for all of his contributions in our uniform.”

Roenicke replaced Cora in February after Cora and Boston split following MLB’s report on the Astros’ cheating during the 2017 season, when Cora was Houston’s bench coach. Roenicke had previously served as bench coach under Cora. Cora was later banned by MLB for one season.

Multiple reporters added fuel to Cora’s potential return on Twitter Sunday. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports Red Sox ownership “was among [Cora’s] biggest supporters. So do not rule out a return.”
 

Yep. They love to cheat up there in New England.

Cora really should have been banned for life, but I guess his Boston connections saved his ass.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/)

Roenicke's firing was predicted in the middle of the 6-18 start and it is well earned.

But you knew that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2020, 04:32:54 PM
There was a “Sign J.T.” banner outside Citizens Bank Park before the season opener. Some fans outside the ballpark chanted it each time J.T. Realmuto batted this season. And a popular pizza shop wrote it inside Bryce Harper’s pizza box, as the area seemed to be overtaken this summer by the campaign to bring back Realmuto.

But Realmuto is not the only player who Matt Klentak — or whoever the team’s general manager will be this offseason — needs to try to retain.

Didi Gregorius, who has a career-high batting average and OPS this season, while leading the Phillies in hits and RBIs, will be a free agent after outperforming a one-year $14 million deal. There may not be a “Sign Didi” movement, but the shortstop proved that he could have a longer stay than just one season.

“I love them both,” manager Joe Girardi said of Gregorius and Realmuto before Saturday night’s game. “Those are decisions for the offseason. No one really knows what the financial state of our game is going to be.”



That's the key right there, in case you missed it.

Covid will be dictating the MLB offseason, and any player who didn't get the memo better wake up. MLB Clubs have lost an incredible amount of revenue, and they aren't sure how or how soon they will be able to make it up.

That's going to impact every agent, player, owner, GM and story about who should be signed, when, and for how much.

I see a youth movement across the sport emerging and dominating for some years to come.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2020, 04:35:38 PM


It looks like Grady Little Syndrome has kicked in again at Fenway as Ron Roenicke is let go. Ron wasn't as good a cheater, it seems, as CHEATING CORA:

 

“As manager, he showed poise and leadership in navigating an extremely challenging year. We are grateful for all of his contributions in our uniform.”

Roenicke replaced Cora in February after Cora and Boston split following MLB’s report on the Astros’ cheating during the 2017 season, when Cora was Houston’s bench coach. Roenicke had previously served as bench coach under Cora. Cora was later banned by MLB for one season.

Multiple reporters added fuel to Cora’s potential return on Twitter Sunday. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports Red Sox ownership “was among [Cora’s] biggest supporters. So do not rule out a return.”
 

Yep. They love to cheat up there in New England.

Cora really should have been banned for life, but I guess his Boston connections saved his ass.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/)

Roenicke's firing was predicted in the middle of the 6-18 start and it is well earned.

But you knew that.

Because the plan was to bring the better cheater back to Cheatsville?

Could be.Meanwhile, Josh, you might want to tell your little puppy dog to go shit somewhere else.

This is where we discuss baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 27, 2020, 04:36:48 PM
Roenicke was largely viewed as a 1-term stop-gap guy before the 2020 seasaon* started

and there is no reason to believe that the troll was informed on the matter, or any matter about a team he is obsessed about.

obsession does not equal informed opinions.

Just that he has an obsession.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2020, 04:45:53 PM
Well put: "Goodbye to baseball in Boston for 2020. It is not a fond farewell."

https://www.sunjournal.com/2020/09/27/on-baseball-cant-blame-mookie-trade-for-all-this-mess/ (https://www.sunjournal.com/2020/09/27/on-baseball-cant-blame-mookie-trade-for-all-this-mess/)


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 27, 2020, 06:12:52 PM


It looks like Grady Little Syndrome has kicked in again at Fenway as Ron Roenicke is let go. Ron wasn't as good a cheater, it seems, as CHEATING CORA:

 

“As manager, he showed poise and leadership in navigating an extremely challenging year. We are grateful for all of his contributions in our uniform.”

Roenicke replaced Cora in February after Cora and Boston split following MLB’s report on the Astros’ cheating during the 2017 season, when Cora was Houston’s bench coach. Roenicke had previously served as bench coach under Cora. Cora was later banned by MLB for one season.

Multiple reporters added fuel to Cora’s potential return on Twitter Sunday. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports Red Sox ownership “was among [Cora’s] biggest supporters. So do not rule out a return.”
 

Yep. They love to cheat up there in New England.

Cora really should have been banned for life, but I guess his Boston connections saved his ass.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/)

Roenicke's firing was predicted in the middle of the 6-18 start and it is well earned.

But you knew that.

Because the plan was to bring the better cheater back to Cheatsville?

Could be.Meanwhile, Josh, you might want to tell your little puppy dog to go shit somewhere else.

This is where we discuss baseball.

If only you practiced what you preach, Ham.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 27, 2020, 06:19:24 PM
Well put: "Goodbye to baseball in Boston for 2020. It is not a fond farewell."

https://www.sunjournal.com/2020/09/27/on-baseball-cant-blame-mookie-trade-for-all-this-mess/ (https://www.sunjournal.com/2020/09/27/on-baseball-cant-blame-mookie-trade-for-all-this-mess/)

No, not at all! Mookie's presence might have added up to at most 4 additional wins (using his 3.4 WAR and some of the negatives), and more like 1.5 (his minus Verdugo's).

Injuries played a major role. So did the manager.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2020, 07:54:01 PM
MLB Sweet 16:

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-playoff-picture
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2020, 07:55:34 PM


It looks like Grady Little Syndrome has kicked in again at Fenway as Ron Roenicke is let go. Ron wasn't as good a cheater, it seems, as CHEATING CORA:

 

“As manager, he showed poise and leadership in navigating an extremely challenging year. We are grateful for all of his contributions in our uniform.”

Roenicke replaced Cora in February after Cora and Boston split following MLB’s report on the Astros’ cheating during the 2017 season, when Cora was Houston’s bench coach. Roenicke had previously served as bench coach under Cora. Cora was later banned by MLB for one season.

Multiple reporters added fuel to Cora’s potential return on Twitter Sunday. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports Red Sox ownership “was among [Cora’s] biggest supporters. So do not rule out a return.”
 

Yep. They love to cheat up there in New England.

Cora really should have been banned for life, but I guess his Boston connections saved his ass.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/)

Roenicke's firing was predicted in the middle of the 6-18 start and it is well earned.

But you knew that.

Because the plan was to bring the better cheater back to Cheatsville?

Could be.Meanwhile, Josh, you might want to tell your little puppy dog to go shit somewhere else.

This is where we discuss baseball.

If only you practiced what you preach, Ham.

Said the pot to the kettle.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 27, 2020, 08:20:45 PM


It looks like Grady Little Syndrome has kicked in again at Fenway as Ron Roenicke is let go. Ron wasn't as good a cheater, it seems, as CHEATING CORA:

 

“As manager, he showed poise and leadership in navigating an extremely challenging year. We are grateful for all of his contributions in our uniform.”

Roenicke replaced Cora in February after Cora and Boston split following MLB’s report on the Astros’ cheating during the 2017 season, when Cora was Houston’s bench coach. Roenicke had previously served as bench coach under Cora. Cora was later banned by MLB for one season.

Multiple reporters added fuel to Cora’s potential return on Twitter Sunday. MLB Network’s Jon Heyman reports Red Sox ownership “was among [Cora’s] biggest supporters. So do not rule out a return.”
 

Yep. They love to cheat up there in New England.

Cora really should have been banned for life, but I guess his Boston connections saved his ass.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/ (https://nypost.com/2020/09/27/alex-cora-speculation-begins-after-red-sox-fire-ron-roenicke/)

Roenicke's firing was predicted in the middle of the 6-18 start and it is well earned.

But you knew that.

Because the plan was to bring the better cheater back to Cheatsville?

Could be.Meanwhile, Josh, you might want to tell your little puppy dog to go shit somewhere else.

This is where we discuss baseball.

If only you practiced what you preach, Ham.

Said the pot to the kettle.

Thank you for admitting your hypocrisy.

I wish the MLB owners could do the same about theirs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 28, 2020, 10:54:33 AM
Terry Francona, who has been sidelined since mid August,.will not coach the Cleveland baseball team for the playoffs. Given his health history, have to wonder if he has managed his last game. He has been a winner in every Major League team he has managed - at least, every Major League team not ultimately run by idiots for the amusement of the world's worst and most ignorant fan base.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 28, 2020, 11:48:56 AM
I just saw reports he won't manage in the post-season.

If he never manages another game, there's a real good chance he goes into the HoF.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 30, 2020, 12:25:53 PM
https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2020/09/can-carlos-carrasco-keep-the-tribes-season-alive-after-yankees-rock-shane-bieber-terry-pluto.html (https://www.cleveland.com/tribe/2020/09/can-carlos-carrasco-keep-the-tribes-season-alive-after-yankees-rock-shane-bieber-terry-pluto.html)

The team with the worst name in MLB is sending Carlos Carrasco to face the Yankees, today.

Sean Bieber pitched more like Justin Bieber.

Credit the Yankee scouting for having the Y's looking only for Bieber's hittable fastball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2020, 01:14:41 AM
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b4/81/ba/b481ba8395779b1cbddb731cbfb4c40d.jpg)

RIP Cleveland Indians

1915-2020
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2020, 01:25:21 AM
Condolences boz

The Tribe and their extended family had years of pain and some WS agony in '97 and again in '16 that as a Sox fan, I could feel.

They now are in a better place.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 01, 2020, 03:09:38 AM
*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 01, 2020, 12:35:06 PM
Baseball history.

https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/ben-shibe-park-phillies-baseball-connie-mack-stadium-athletics-20201001.html (https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/ben-shibe-park-phillies-baseball-connie-mack-stadium-athletics-20201001.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2020, 09:43:15 PM
More baseball history:

Gehrig confirms that Ruth called his shot!

https://www.mlb.com/news/babe-ruth-called-shot-confirmed-lou-gehrig-audio-clip
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2020, 11:23:35 PM

Bob Gibson dies at 84

https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-hall-of-famer-bob-gibson-dies-at-84-after-bout-with-cancer/article_90a0dff7-bee3-5a81-9eb0-91663f29fb4d.html (https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/cardinals-hall-of-famer-bob-gibson-dies-at-84-after-bout-with-cancer/article_90a0dff7-bee3-5a81-9eb0-91663f29fb4d.html)

By almost any account, Stan Musial was considered the greatest Cardinals player. By the same accounts, Bob Gibson, who died at age 84 Friday night in Omaha, Nebraska, under hospice care after fighting pancreatic cancer for more than a year, was considered the franchise’s greatest pitcher.

Gibson was the Cardinals' second National Baseball Hall of Famer to die in the past month. His longtime teammate, Lou Brock, died at age 81 on Sept. 6. Gibson's death came on the 52nd anniversary of perhaps his greatest game, a record 17-strikeout performance in Game 1 of the 1968 World Series.


Damn

One of the all-time greats.

I was lucky enough to see him pitch G7 in '67 from the Fenway CF cheap seats.

His '68 season was unbelievable.

RIP Mr. Gibson
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 02, 2020, 11:30:50 PM
Great pitcher. Among the greatest of competitors. Saw him pitch many times, in his prime.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2020, 02:25:55 PM
Lou Brock. Bob Gibson. Now, Sweet Lou Johnson.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30025247/sweet-lou-johnson-hit-winning-homer-los-angeles-dodgers-65-world-series-dies (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30025247/sweet-lou-johnson-hit-winning-homer-los-angeles-dodgers-65-world-series-dies)

I remember that home run.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 04, 2020, 12:02:58 AM
The only team north of Charlottesville, VA still in the playoffs is New York. Second northernmost team is Oakland, which is almost at the same latitude as Richmond, VA.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 04, 2020, 12:40:39 PM
So the Marlins have a good chance, then, based on the latitude theory. Got it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 04, 2020, 03:04:05 PM
So the Marlins have a good chance, then, based on the latitude theory. Got it.

Exactly!

(Correlation =/= Causation. IOW, no.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2020, 01:01:30 AM
Quite the games, tonight! Watching Joe Kelly come in in the 9th to walk his first two batters, loading the bases, brought back memories!

So did Bellinger's centerfield catch.

Not to mention Mookie's game!

I also loved watching the TB Rays beat the Yankees, though they are not done yet!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2020, 11:39:15 AM
Clearly those games have meaning for the players and their team's fans  watching or listening at home, but they are less than exciting.

 You cannot gimmick the tension that surrounds post-season baseball. You need fans in the stands. You need the young woman covering her face because she can't watch the 3-2 pitch with two on and nobody out. You need the tension in the faces of the young men sitting with her. You need the cut to the old lady decked out in her team's colors, her eyes wide with wonder as the noise of the crowd reaches a crescendo on each pitch. You need the crowd screaming that the ump just blew it with that last pitch that was too close to take, perhaps, but still not a strike as he called it. You need all of that and more. And you cannot manufacture it.

From a standpoint of everyone on that field being relentless competitors and doing their best to win, whatever it takes to win, that IS happening. There seems to be no lack of effort on anyone's part.

However, the intense emotion and tension which has accumulated throughout the journey of a lengthy season and that now rests on a pitch which might culminate in either righteous joy or abject futility, that sense that everything has led to this moment on the field and now rests on what the pitcher delivers and how the hitter responds, the same sense captured in so many seasons before this one, and the feelings that have fueled so many autumn contests in the past is what is so sorely missed in 2020.

No cardboard cutout and or soundtrack of crowd noise can capture it.

No screaming broadcaster can project that emotion for us.

This postseason is muted by the 2020 pandemic and it will only be memorable for what it has lacked: the fans and what they bring to the games.

They are who really make the games great, especially in the post-season.

The coronavirus has infected us in so many more ways than we might have anticipated.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2020, 02:21:24 PM
And there, I thought you were a baseball fan, not a spectacle fan.

I found the games exciting that I watched yesterday, despite the piped in noise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2020, 11:16:11 PM
And there, I thought you were a baseball fan, not a spectacle fan.

I found the games exciting that I watched yesterday, despite the piped in noise.

Your desperation is noted.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2020, 11:36:02 PM
And there, I thought you were a baseball fan, not a spectacle fan.

I found the games exciting that I watched yesterday, despite the piped in noise.

Your desperation is noted.

Your failure to comprehend other humans' emotions is noted, yet again.

I am sorry that it takes other people watching for you to derive pleasure from the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2020, 10:46:50 AM
And there, I thought you were a baseball fan, not a spectacle fan.

I found the games exciting that I watched yesterday, despite the piped in noise.

Your desperation is noted.

Your failure to comprehend other humans' emotions is noted, yet again.

I am sorry that it takes other people watching for you to derive pleasure from the game.

You have misinterpreted the commentary above. Perhaps willfully.

Then again, comprehension of that which is not strictly literal is not among your strengths.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2020, 01:54:22 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30078282/hall-famer-whitey-ford-new-york-yankees-all-wins-leader-dies-age-91 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30078282/hall-famer-whitey-ford-new-york-yankees-all-wins-leader-dies-age-91)

Whitey Ford, a Hall of Famer for the New York Yankees who won more World Series games than any other pitcher, died at the age of 91, the Yankees announced Friday.



RIP Chairman of the Board
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 09, 2020, 02:02:16 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30078282/hall-famer-whitey-ford-new-york-yankees-all-wins-leader-dies-age-91 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30078282/hall-famer-whitey-ford-new-york-yankees-all-wins-leader-dies-age-91)

Whitey Ford, a Hall of Famer for the New York Yankees who won more World Series games than any other pitcher, died at the age of 91, the Yankees announced Friday.



RIP Chairman of the Board
My youth is dropping like flies, or rather, fly balls withing the general area of Glenallen Hill.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2020, 03:38:17 PM
They just don't nickname players "Whitey", anymore.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 09, 2020, 05:50:03 PM
They just don't nickname players "Whitey", anymore.
I was watching the original Seven Days in May not too long ago and noted that Kirk Douglas's character was nicknamed "Jiggs" and I thought, nope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2020, 07:31:57 PM
Few better movie actors than Frederic March.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
Few better movie actors than Frederic March.

Watch this opening scene of Les Miserables, 1935 edition, released in the heart of the Depression.

Appreciate how the scene is set, the juxtaposition of the statue of Justice and the Crucifix, and March's eloquent speech then slowing turning into fear then ultimately outrage and panic.

Brilliant stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBKO-EafSdE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBKO-EafSdE)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2020, 08:29:35 PM
Brilliant. Leading man and character actor. Rare combo.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2020, 10:33:04 PM
A great game.

Congratulations to the Yankees on a hard fought series and a great two+ months.

And way to go, Tampa Bay! Houston is next!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2020, 10:35:08 PM
Chapman Chokes.

Mr. Boone could be gone.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 09, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
that was a pretty pretty pretty good game.


*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2020, 11:20:34 PM
Chapman Chokes.

Mr. Boone could be gone.

Grady Little Syndrome, huh?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2020, 07:32:53 AM
Chapman Chokes.

Mr. Boone could be gone.

Grady Little Syndrome, huh?

Likely.

They are the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2020, 07:36:21 AM
If the Astros win the WS, they'll just get a second asterisk in the MLB History books.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2020, 09:48:58 AM
I'd like to think that managers would be given a break because of the weirdness of the season, but I'm not sure that sentiment is one that owners have.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2020, 10:43:12 AM
I'd like to think that managers would be given a break because of the weirdness of the season, but I'm not sure that sentiment is one that owners have.

I think some will and some won't, but I also think it depends on the team. Didn't look to me as if Reonicke was any readier to be in charge this time than he was last time.

For the Yankees, it's got to be frustrating to have all that power and all those arms and to get to the post-season but repeatedly get edged out. But how do you blame Aaron Boone for Chapman's getting beaten there? Who else should he have had in at that exact moment? He's pitched 4 innings going into that last fateful one without giving up a run in the postseason. And how is he to blame for a team that had averaged 7.5 runs per game before scoring 1?

But... they're barely above .500 in the postseason.

And their free agent list is pretty daunting for a team that led the majors in this abbreviated season's salaries.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2020, 11:37:32 AM
If anybody has any interest in Stanton (I hear all sorts of laughter) they're welcome to him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2020, 11:49:22 AM
I'd like to think that managers would be given a break because of the weirdness of the season, but I'm not sure that sentiment is one that owners have.

Owners are owners. And some are blaming the GM on this Yankee failure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2020, 11:50:15 AM
If anybody has any interest in Stanton (I hear all sorts of laughter) they're welcome to him.

He looked clueless in that last AB. Not sure what the market is for a guy who plays 1/3 of a given season and wants to act like he's the team's leader in the clubhouse.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2020, 12:42:12 PM
Stanton's K last night reminded me of Carlos Beltran's infamous knee-buckler hook he took to end the series against the Cards.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2020, 12:46:11 PM
There's no market for him and there remains no point in having he and Judge on the same team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 10, 2020, 04:57:35 PM
heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2020, 07:02:31 PM
I see no reason to have two guys who miss as much time as those guys do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 01:15:03 PM
How many years u got left with the duo?
I do think they should let Boone chime in if they are thinking of dealing one of them, rather than just firing him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2020, 01:32:50 PM
How many years u got left with the duo?
I do think they should let Boone chime in if they are thinking of dealing one of them, rather than just firing him.

Then fire him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2020, 01:45:51 PM
How many years u got left with the duo?
I do think they should let Boone chime in if they are thinking of dealing one of them, rather than just firing him.

Stanton's not opting out so he's a Y through 2027

Judge is a FA in '23, but he'll likely doing something l-t before that.

Unless he breaks before that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 11, 2020, 03:04:26 PM
So 2 more years

I give that to the duo - and the MGR
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2020, 12:17:18 AM
That 9th inning turned the Braves-Dodgers game from a tight situation to a conclusive finish in a hurry!

And... a first inning error set Tampa Bay up for victory - and a 2-0 lead in the series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 13, 2020, 08:49:50 AM
And now Joe Morgan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2020, 10:19:05 AM
And now Joe Morgan.

If I were a former baseball start in my 70s, I am not sure I would go anywhere without my physician.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2020, 11:03:37 AM
And now Joe Morgan.

If I were a former baseball start in my 70s, I am not sure I would go anywhere without my physician.

Black ballplayers getting it worse. Brock, Gibson, Morgan.

RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2020, 11:05:51 AM
https://vault.si.com/vault/1983/03/14/in-philadelphia-theyre-the-wheeze-kids (https://vault.si.com/vault/1983/03/14/in-philadelphia-theyre-the-wheeze-kids)

Good old days with the Wheeze Kids.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 13, 2020, 11:46:49 AM
And now Joe Morgan.

If I were a former baseball start in my 70s, I am not sure I would go anywhere without my physician.

Black ballplayers getting it worse. Brock, Gibson, Morgan.

RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, other than Roberto Alomar.
Fixed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 12:21:53 PM
This future Hall of Famer says hello


https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/canoro01.shtml
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 12:24:07 PM
Joe was better, of course.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 12:39:54 PM


Manuel Margot's big Game 2


Manuel Margot slugs a three-run homer and makes an outstanding catch on a foul ball in right field in a big Game 2 performanc



The one that got away, Sox fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2020, 01:37:49 PM
And now Joe Morgan.

If I were a former baseball start in my 70s, I am not sure I would go anywhere without my physician.

Black ballplayers getting it worse. Brock, Gibson, Morgan.

RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, other than Roberto Alomar.
Fixed.

 RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, who never used PEDs, never quit on the team (see: Alomar, NYMets), or beat his wife. Clarified.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 13, 2020, 01:43:40 PM
How do you know he never used PEDs?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 13, 2020, 01:45:21 PM
And now Joe Morgan.

If I were a former baseball start in my 70s, I am not sure I would go anywhere without my physician.

Black ballplayers getting it worse. Brock, Gibson, Morgan.

RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, other than Roberto Alomar.
Fixed.

 RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, who never used PEDs, never quit on the team (see: Alomar, NYMets), or beat his wife. Clarified.
You forgot the spit on an umpire thing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 01:46:50 PM
And now Joe Morgan.

If I were a former baseball start in my 70s, I am not sure I would go anywhere without my physician.

Black ballplayers getting it worse. Brock, Gibson, Morgan.

RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, other than Roberto Alomar.
Fixed.

 RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, who never used PEDs, never quit on the team (see: Alomar, NYMets), or beat his wife. Clarified.

Morgan took "greenies".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 03:04:54 PM
Now THIS I did not know about:


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-04-30-me-1104-story.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2020, 04:05:08 PM
And now Joe Morgan.

If I were a former baseball start in my 70s, I am not sure I would go anywhere without my physician.

Black ballplayers getting it worse. Brock, Gibson, Morgan.

RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, other than Roberto Alomar.
Fixed.

 RIP, Joe, the best all-around second baseman we will likely see in our lifetimes, who never used PEDs, never quit on the team (see: Alomar, NYMets), or beat his wife. Clarified.

Morgan took "greenies".

Proof?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2020, 04:06:20 PM
Now THIS I did not know about:


https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-04-30-me-1104-story.html

Why would you have? Especially in 1991.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2020, 05:21:29 PM


Manuel Margot's big Game 2


Manuel Margot slugs a three-run homer and makes an outstanding catch on a foul ball in right field in a big Game 2 performanc



The one that got away, Sox fans.

He got away in a trade for a stud closer in Kimbrel.

and with JBJ, Mookie and Benintendi (coming up) Margot was blocked in Boston.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 06:01:23 PM
Heh

If only the plan was to keep Betts and Jackie blossomed you would have a point.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2020, 06:19:06 PM
Heh

If only the plan was to keep Betts and Jackie blossomed you would have a point.

You're wrong again.

At least you're consistent.

I imagine the OF plan in 2015, when Margot was traded, was still taking shape, But Margot was behind, Betts, JBJ, Hanley, Holt, Rustillo, and eventually 10D.

They had  alot of good OF options in '15-16.

And they used that depth to get a stud closer.

And good bet your post today about Margot is likely the only time you posted about the guy in 5 years.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2020, 07:00:35 PM
Larry posted about Margot in spring of 2019.

Margot Robbie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 13, 2020, 07:22:33 PM
Larry posted about Margot in spring of 2019.

Margot Robbie.

I would need more than Kimbrel for Margot Robbie.

Way more.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 13, 2020, 08:00:37 PM
I imagine the OF plan in 2015, when Margot was traded, was still taking shape, But Margot was behind, Betts, JBJ, Hanley, Holt, Rustillo, and eventually 10D.


He was in AA

Just finished his age 20 season

But you are right.  Have to give to get.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2020, 09:30:05 AM
I see Dusty avoided getting dusted.  Maybe I will watch game 5.

Talk this morning of TONY LARUSSA returning to manage the White Sox, 35 years after he departed.

And of CORA returning to Boston.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2020, 11:20:47 AM
I see Dusty avoided getting dusted.  Maybe I will watch game 5.

Talk this morning of TONY LARUSSA returning to manage the White Sox, 35 years after he departed.

And of CORA returning to Boston.

The Cora rumor was floated the same day they fired Roenicke. It would not be the worst idea they ever had. I understand he did a good job in his last MLB position.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2020, 03:12:31 PM
I see Dusty avoided getting dusted.  Maybe I will watch game 5.

Talk this morning of TONY LARUSSA returning to manage the White Sox, 35 years after he departed.

And of CORA returning to Boston.

Two cheaters getting courted by MLB teams. SAD.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2020, 03:13:19 PM
I see Dusty avoided getting dusted.  Maybe I will watch game 5.

Talk this morning of TONY LARUSSA returning to manage the White Sox, 35 years after he departed.

And of CORA returning to Boston.

The Cora rumor was floated the same day they fired Roenicke. It would not be the worst idea they ever had. I understand he did a good job in his last MLB position.

Yes. Let's hear the drums beat for Cora.

Turd.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2020, 03:21:06 PM
Speaking to reporters on Wednesday via Zoom, GM Brian Cashman was very frank in his answer about his catchers and what to expect heading into next season.



“I think it’s certainly a fair question obviously the way Gary Sanchez’ season transpired, and then the way it ended with Higashioka actually starting in the postseason as many games as he did,” he said. “I think it’s one of the discussion points we’re going to have to focus on.”


Translation: We will be making every effort to sign J.T. Realmuto.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 10:17:19 AM
Sounds more like they would be more apt to deal/let go of Sanchez and have KH start

JT is staying put.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2020, 10:48:01 AM
Carlos Correa needs this treatment:  https://thisdayinbaseball.com/dickie-noles-flips-brett-and-the-1980-world-series-on-one-pitch/ (https://thisdayinbaseball.com/dickie-noles-flips-brett-and-the-1980-world-series-on-one-pitch/)

This is what won the 1980 World Series. And Sunday marks 40 years since this wonderful day in Philly sports history.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 11:40:37 AM
OK, I guess it stays up

Hope you guys dont mind an interloper

It was nice seeing Graterol, the prospect Sox almost grabbed in the Mookie deal, get lit up a bit last night vs Braves.

Still dont like that deal - but time will tell (and I do like Verdugo, as I have posted before)

Jeter Downs, please pick up the emergency phone!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 12:38:35 PM
Looks a lot like the Anthony Davis deal

Get a title - all is well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 12:52:34 PM
Sox got one of the best closers in the game for a AA OF who was serially blocked in Boston.

You got to stretch this more than Gumby to get an AD trade out of it.

And forget all the talent and draft choices the Lakers sent to the Pels to get AD.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 12:55:02 PM
Sox got one of the best closers in the game for a AA OF who was serially blocked in Boston.


Are you saying that after the Betts deal the Sox couldnt use Margot right now?

There was also a bit more to the deal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 01:12:11 PM
Sox got one of the best closers in the game for a AA OF who was serially blocked in Boston.


Are you saying that after the Betts deal the Sox couldnt use Margot right now?

There was also a bit more to the deal.

Kid the sox traded Margot after the 2015 season. That was 5 years ago and he was blocked by Betts, JBJ, Hanley, Holt, 10-D, Rusney Castillo.

He was a trade chip to get a needed piece.

And after 3 years of so-so performance in San diego they traded him to Tampa.

The fact that he hit a HR and caught a foul-ball 3 days ago in no way negates the fact it was a very good ("smart trade") trade 5 years ago.

JFC
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 01:25:26 PM
Would he be blocked now in Boston or not?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 01:34:40 PM
Tug left bases juiced inning 9 Game 5 then innings 8 and 9 game 6.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 01:39:07 PM
Would he be blocked now in Boston or not?

Its an irrelevant question.

He was traded 5 years ago.

They got 3 AS years from Kimbrel for a redundant player who is JAG.

With Betts gone and JBJ likely gone, (and several of the other guys blocking him gone) he might be the CF flanked by 10-D and Verdugo.

might be.

As the article stated it was a "smart trade"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2020, 05:23:09 PM
Horrible trade. Padres got scooped by the Rays. Not sure why banks made it all about Boston. Must be like I said. He doesn't read well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 06:20:54 PM
Horrible trade. Padres got scooped by the Rays. Not sure why banks made it all about Boston. Must be like I said. He doesn't read well.

troll

Perhaps you should have posted your thoughts about Margot (a player I'm reasonably sure you never heard of before a few days ago) and his trades in the this forum when kid and I first discussed this a few days ago, rather than today in a thread dedicated to your ongoing trolling all things related to Boston.

And it appears the horrible trade you discovered when challenging on your 2-word troll in that forum, was just a JAG for JAG trade.


It appears its you who have problems reading.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 06:49:51 PM
Troll I asked you to expand upon your 2-word troll post (see below) in the troll-container forum Josh established soley for your trolling, so that your idiotic Boston trolling wouldn't contaminate all forums

Horrible trade: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/12/sports/former-red-sox-prospect-manuel-margot-finally-puts-talent-display-tampa-bay/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/10/12/sports/former-red-sox-prospect-manuel-margot-finally-puts-talent-display-tampa-bay/)

Horrible post.

perhaps you should explain who made the horrible trade, and why it was horrible, as the article doesn't say that.

Perhaps you should have joined the discussion on the topic in this thread a few days ago.

But you were retarded in your efforts.

SSDD


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 16, 2020, 07:04:52 PM
Horrible trade. Padres got scooped by the Rays. Not sure why banks made it all about Boston.


heh    lol
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 08:31:00 PM
there's a 2004 ALCS vibe going down in Petco.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 08:41:53 PM
Big DP to end Ray's threat
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 09:03:08 PM
and the Astros add some insurance

looking like a G7 coming up
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 09:55:33 PM
that half-inning was the epitome of what's wrong with baseball

3 walks
3 strikeouts
0 balls in play
0 baseball action
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 09:56:34 PM
Margot goes yard again.

worst trade evah!!


heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 10:09:17 PM
and we gotta Game 7
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2020, 10:17:59 PM
Horrible trade. Padres got scooped by the Rays. Not sure why banks made it all about Boston.


heh    lol

Banks has trouble with truth.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2020, 10:37:01 PM
Horrible trade. Padres got scooped by the Rays. Not sure why banks made it all about Boston.


heh    lol

Banks has trouble with truth.


Truth?


The truth is you never heard of Manuel Margot until you read the Globe artice.

The truth is you labeled the trade, which was referenced in the opening sentence of the article as a smart trade, as a "horrible trade".

The truth was I asked you to

"perhaps you should explain who made the horrible trade, and why it was horrible, as the article doesn't say that."

So if as the article states, Sox made a smart trade, who in your opinion made the horrible trade?




Because the truth is you were just trolling and didn't know what you were talking about.

The truth is you're an obsessed troll.

The truth is I'm laughing my ass off at the insane amount of time you spend proving what a dumb fuck obssessed troll you are.

and thats the truth that makes you fucking nuts


LMAO.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2020, 11:10:19 PM
Now take it back over to Uno's forum, the both of you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2020, 12:35:17 AM
Now take it back over to Uno's forum, the both of you.

Will do.

Josh-perhaps you can set up a Red-specfic troll forum so you two guys can rag on each other and clean-up the Trump forum.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2020, 01:08:35 AM
Now take it back over to Uno's forum, the both of you.

Will do.

Josh-perhaps you can set up a Red-specfic troll forum so you two guys can rag on each other and clean-up the Trump forum.

You may have noticed (or may not have, I suppose), but I have almost totally stopped responding to his posts.

I've largely stopped responding to Bambi. Kid is next.

I'll try to engage with posters who actually want dialog, even when one disagrees with them. No guarantee that I won't backslide, but that's the goal, overall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2020, 01:09:52 AM
and we gotta Game 7

And that makes two of them!

We're getting our money's worth, at least!

And it was nice to see Mookie performing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2020, 11:18:50 AM
and we gotta Game 7

And that makes two of them!

We're getting our money's worth, at least!

And it was nice to see Mookie performing.

I didn't watch the LA-ATL game but saw the hi-lites, that was a helluva catch and throw by Mookie.

Baseball needs more baseball in it.

the plays are what makes the game great- not the Ks and homers.

I was watching the Astro's-Rays game and posting at SoSH

and there was a half-inning (the Astro's top of the 8th)

and to quote myself

Quote from: bankshot1, post: 4103011, member: 9

that half-inning was the epitome of what's wrong with baseball



3 walks

3 strikeouts

0 balls in play

0 baseball action



we need more baseball in baseball
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 17, 2020, 11:50:56 AM

I didn't watch the LA-ATL game but saw the hi-lites, that was a helluva catch and throw by Mookie.

Baseball needs more baseball in it.

the plays are what makes the game great- not the Ks and homers



YOUTH game last week.

Team nursing a 2-1 cushion, but opposition has 2 on, none out bottom 7 (last inning)

After fouling off a bunt attempt, LH hitter drills a ball to the fence in deep center

Runner at 2B holds up between 2nd and 3rd, thinking CF may have a play on the ball

CF plays ball barehanded off the fence, fires a pea to SS who with unbelievable quickness turns and fires a strike to the waiting C.

The play was on a PRO level in terms of execution.  I am talking ROCKET ARMS - and zero hesitation.
 What kids practice for years to achieve.

So after the sweep tag, umpire just stands there, making no call.  I cant believe my eyes - he is actually going to say the C missed the tag.

2nd and 3rd, lead kept, 1 out turns into tie game, none out, winning run at third.

True - there WAS a home run in this game - and some impressive mound work.  But what I'd recall - whether or not HP ump botches the call - would be THIS PLAY.  The great game or baseball, represented well by high school juniors and seniors.  A day well spent indeed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2020, 01:31:06 PM
and we gotta Game 7

And that makes two of them!

We're getting our money's worth, at least!

And it was nice to see Mookie performing.

Okay, so I can't count.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2020, 08:02:53 PM
and we gotta Game 7

And that makes two of them!

We're getting our money's worth, at least!

And it was nice to see Mookie performing.

Okay, so I can't count.

Prescient!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2020, 08:09:32 PM
and we gotta Game 7

And that makes two of them!

We're getting our money's worth, at least!

And it was nice to see Mookie performing.

Okay, so I can't count.

Prescient!

Sure, I'll take credit for that.

Or as I was about to say, "Now we have two game 7s!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2020, 08:15:30 PM
In a wholly unscientific poll on SoSH, I posed the following question earlier today.

So far there have been about 85 respondents.





Normally I wouldn't root for either the Astro's or Rays as the Astro's are low-life buzzer wearing , bang the trash-can slowly and loudly cheaters and the Rays have become a hated division rival that play in a trash-can. But as the Astros have knotted the series at 3-3, I asked myself, so who's it going to be Bankshot? Who are you rooting for tonight?

I could cop to indifference, but that seems to skirt an inner conflict.

The conflict in making a decision, as it were, is I feel, and I suspect other Sox fans might feel the same way, is that we feel like we have sole ownership of the intangible benefit of the "only team to have come back from being down 0-3 in the MLB post-season". Every time some MLB, NBA, NHL team goes into the darkness of a no-hope 0-3 abyss, we get the gift that keeps on giving as ESPN, Fox, TNT, TBS, ABC, NBC, remind the nation of the glorious '04 ALCS and those 4 very improbable and unique consecutive wins hanging from a cliff as the MFY stomped on our knuckles as we held on for 1-more game.

There is some pride involved here, and my knuckles are still a little sore.

Yes I'm a greedy, needy child at heart.

I don't want to share, at least not with the cheatin' Astros.

But I don't want to root for the Rays.

But tonight I will.

How about you?


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 17, 2020, 08:16:31 PM
and we gotta Game 7

And that makes two of them!

We're getting our money's worth, at least!

And it was nice to see Mookie performing.

Okay, so I can't count.

Prescient!

Sure, I'll take credit for that.

Or as I was about to say, "Now we have two game 7s!"

Nice work-Game 7s are great.

Mookie with more leather tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2020, 08:42:41 PM
Tampa Bay, all the way!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 17, 2020, 09:30:40 PM
Tampa Bay*.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2020, 12:24:17 AM
One 7th game to go.

A good game, obviously better for *Tampa Bay.

Who are you cheering for tomorrow? The cheated-against LA Dodgers or the "Atlanta Baseball Team?"

The Braves managed to win the pennant 5 times in the 90s, but come up with one World Series trophy. And since 1999, they've made it to the playoffs 10  times, but not made it to the World Series even once. So... 18 playoff appearances in 30 years, with one Series championship to show for it.

The Dodgers didn't get to the Series from 1989-2016. Then they made it twice in a row, only to be faced with Alex Cora, twice. (And while the Sox may have been found not guilty of cheating in the World Series, I suspect not every Dodger was satisfied with that answer, no matter what Joe Kelly said.)

25 year drought vs. 32 year drought.

And whichever team wins will face a team that didn't even exist the last time they were in the World Series! TB has only even played in it once - a 22 year drought.

And, of course, while Tampa was much farther south than Houston, Atlanta is only 18 miles further south than LA - practically the same, on the scale of the planet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 12:59:17 AM
In the ALCS poll referenced above of 99 respondents

79% Rays

7%  Astros

14% IDC

Congrats to the Rays

Best part of the Rays winning this year is that we won't have to watch them playing the 2020 World Series* in that shit hole ball park.

I think tomorrow I'm rooting for some cousins who moved from Boston to Milwaukee and then Atlanta



 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2020, 10:20:17 PM
its pretty cool how many great plays Mookie makes
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2020, 11:08:03 PM
its pretty cool how many great plays Mookie makes

Fun to watch, regardless of the uniform.

And this is a good game at the tail end of a good series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2020, 11:55:28 PM
its pretty cool how many great plays Mookie makes

Fun to watch, regardless of the uniform.

And this is a good game at the tail end of a good series.

Congratulations, Dodgers! On to play Tampa Bay.

Great (short) season, Atlanta. Go home, change your name, and regroup for next year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2020, 12:09:14 AM
congrats to the LA Dodgers

Next up

The Andrew Friedman World Series

That shit-show of a baserunning DP may have cost the Braves the NLCS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 10:16:53 AM
What happened?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2020, 11:09:08 AM
Braves killed a potential rally with bad base-running.

Google "Braves run into DP" and you can read and probably get the video of it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 11:41:47 AM


Figured you'd be kind enough to describe it

Maybe I will catch it somewhere.

Sucks to be a Braves fan - but I am fine with that.    heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 11:44:03 AM
I did see the last Freeman at bat vs Urias

The epitome of big league baseball.  Young hurler at peak of his game vs MVP candidate determined to get on as tying run.

Freddie did everything right - and in the end lined out to center.  And then limped off.

Pic of Freeman as the game ended was not quite Boggs '86 but sad nevertheless.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2020, 12:17:52 PM


Figured you'd be kind enough to describe it

Maybe I will catch it somewhere.

Sucks to be a Braves fan - but I am fine with that.    heh.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/10/19/baserunning-gets-braves-again-nlcs-slips-away-in-game-7/114437814/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2020/10/19/baserunning-gets-braves-again-nlcs-slips-away-in-game-7/114437814/)


" The Braves ruined a promising fourth inning by running into a wild double play before the bats went cold in a 4-3 loss to the Los Angeles Dodgers in Game 7 on Sunday night.

The Braves went ahead 3-2 in the fourth inning on Austin Riley's single and had runners on second and third with no outs before the double play that turned the game.

Dansby Swanson broke for home on Nick Markakis' sharp grounder hit right at third baseman Justin Turner, who was playing well off the line. Turner threw to catcher Will Smith to trap Swanson in a rundown as Riley waited halfway between second and third.

Smith returned the ball to Turner, who dived to tag Swanson midway down the line. Turner quickly got up and threw the ball to shortstop Corey Seager, waiting at third to tag out Riley, who decided too late to try taking third.

Even worse, the bizarre 5-2-5-6 double play ended with Markakis still on first. Cristian Pache grounded out to end the inning."

There you go.







Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 12:39:31 PM
heh

Yeah - big mistake by Riley.

I have to assume, without hearing analysis, that the CONTACT play was on.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 19, 2020, 12:46:05 PM
heh

Yeah - big mistake by Riley.

I have to assume, without hearing analysis, that the CONTACT play was on.

Well, THAT would be STUPID.

Bottom line Lonnie Smith feels better now..He blew the WS, but he was only ONE player who didn't know how to run the bases. Last night, we saw THREE players who fucked up in one play!

Braves blew the game, right there.

Go, Rays!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 19, 2020, 01:51:37 PM
heh

Yeah - big mistake by Riley.

I have to assume, without hearing analysis, that the CONTACT play was on.

Well, THAT would be STUPID.

Bottom line Lonnie Smith feels better now..He blew the WS, but he was only ONE player who didn't know how to run the bases. Last night, we saw THREE players who fucked up in one play!

Braves blew the game, right there.

Go, Rays!
No, the contact call would be a manager decision. I assume Bobby Cox wanted to be aggressive.  (I also perhaps erroneously assume Bobby Cox is still the Atlanta manager.) The base runner on second would not have gone on contact and should never have been between the bases: either go to 3rd or back to 2nd.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2020, 02:49:15 PM
Even if Cox called the contact play from his retriement villa in Costa Rica, or wherever, it was on Swanson-he made a terrible decision as there was almost no way he would score on that hard-hit grounder to Turner at 3rd. He was out by about 80 feet.

There was time for the 3rd base coach to say "stop" and salvage a 2nd and 3rd 1 out from the play.

but once Swanson committed to his suicide-Riley should not have waited-hesitated and gone to 3rd.

but he lolly-gagged and danced bewteen 2nd and 3rd and then committed his suicide.

worst case 1st and 3rd one out (Swanson in the run-down)

and the inning's still alive.

total shit-show of bad decisions
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 03:23:25 PM
No, the contact call would be a manager decision. I assume Bobby Cox wanted to be aggressive.  (I also perhaps erroneously assume Bobby Cox is still the Atlanta manager.) The base runner on second would not have gone on contact and should never have been between the bases: either go to 3rd or back to 2nd.



yeah - kinda sorta right

On contact play all runners go.  You are risking that the lead runner might get thrown out, knowing that even if he does the trail runner gets to third.

Again - I didnt see the play - nor did I hear it analyzed - but its quite possible Riley's inexperience, lack of baserunning savvy was ENHANCED by Swanson - the more seasoned player/baserunner - getting in the rundown.  Thus Swanson the key culprit - Riley the sidekick.

(Bottom line re:  Riley movement - Once there is a rundown trail runner has to immediately advance, then just hope lead runner can somehow score)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 03:26:42 PM
There was time for the 3rd base coach to say "stop" and salvage a 2nd and 3rd 1 out from the play.


Contact play - there is no yelling stop.  It's engrained - ON CONTACT, you go.  And full speed.

Ball hit right at someone - yes - getting in a rundown can at times occur - rather than just walk into a tag - .  Getting back to the bag - never.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 19, 2020, 03:58:12 PM
I think you are supposed to get in a rundown, to give the runner on 2nd a chance to advance.

I also think a contact play, for the runner on 2nd, does not involve a ball hit in front of him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 08:49:54 PM
I think you are supposed to get in a rundown, to give the runner on 2nd a chance to advance.

I also think a contact play, for the runner on 2nd, does not involve a ball hit in front of him.

If the trail runner just goes to third immediately he is ON THIRD when the play is finished.

If anything he gets the batter to second, true - by running down - if the batter is aware/made aware.

Riley KNOWS CONTACT is ON.  Thus should just go immediately - if Turner decides to go after Riley - which he wouldn't unless he took the bait - great - tie game.

Riley standing on third and watching the rundown of Swanson is what you want there - trust me.

And by the way - asspoor at bat by whoever the hitter was.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2020, 08:52:31 PM
Now...

Dangerously - if Swanson then somehow gets back to third - now TWO MEN occupying same base - and nobody is tagged, Riley could then vacate and go back toward second.  This would be quite uncommon - dropped ball situation being one type play I could think of (Swanson is tagged but player drops ball and he reaches third with ball on ground).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 19, 2020, 09:40:10 PM
This should help kid as he replays the Braves shitshow and tries to figure out who's on 3rd




Costello: All I'm trying to find out is what's the guy's name on first base.

Abbott: No. What is on second base.

Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

Abbott: Who's on first.

Costello: One base at a time!

Abbott: Well, don't change the players around.

Costello: I'm not changing nobody!

Abbott: Take it easy, buddy.

Costello: I'm only asking you, who's the guy on first base?

Abbott: That's right.

Costello: Ok.

Abbott: All right.

PAUSE

Costello: What's the guy's name on first base?

Abbott: No. What is on second.

Costello: I'm not asking you who's on second.

Abbott: Who's on first.

Costello: I don't know.

Abbott: He's on third, we're not talking about him.

Costello: Now how did I get on third base?

Abbott: Why you mentioned his name.

Costello: If I mentioned the third baseman's name, who did I say is playing third?

Abbott: No. Who's playing first.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 20, 2020, 08:39:00 AM
Right fielder's name?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2020, 09:42:30 AM
Anonymous
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2020, 10:07:20 PM
112 pitches seemed like a lot for Glasnow (or anybody) for less than 5 innings. I suspect he should have been out earlier.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2020, 10:24:06 PM
Mookie steals tacos for everybody.

YAY!

I'm getting mine with a side of guacamole and tears
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2020, 10:34:51 PM
Not a good night for the Rays, though fortunately for them no matter how much they lose by, the next game starts 0-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2020, 11:40:23 PM
Not a good night for the Rays, though fortunately for them no matter how much they lose by, the next game starts 0-0.

Kershaw was more than sufficiently Kershaw. The Rays had best beat up on the other pitchers, though Buehler has looked tough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2020, 10:12:52 AM
6. 2. 1. 8. 78


Line for Kershaw

Very nice

Pairing high k with low pitch count is ACE territory alone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 21, 2020, 09:55:36 PM
Not a good night for the Dodgers, though fortunately for them no matter how much they lose by, the next game starts 0-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2020, 10:48:36 AM
A team vs stars.

Margot!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2020, 10:51:37 AM
Mr Roberts can at some point explain to Big Papi and the masses why he didn't use Buehler on customary 4 days rest

Papi sort of tore his ex teammate a new one on Fox postgame last night.

(For the record, Frank Thomas and A Rod defended the LA manager).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 22, 2020, 12:16:46 PM
Mr Roberts can at some point explain to Big Papi and the masses why he didn't use Buehler on customary 4 days rest

Papi sort of tore his ex teammate a new one on Fox postgame last night.

(For the record, Frank Thomas and A Rod defended the LA manager).
In fairness, he kept calling his name but Buehler never answered.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2020, 07:47:34 PM
Mr Roberts can at some point explain to Big Papi and the masses why he didn't use Buehler on customary 4 days rest

Papi sort of tore his ex teammate a new one on Fox postgame last night.

(For the record, Frank Thomas and A Rod defended the LA manager).

Who do you use for an interpreter when Ortiz is attempting to communicate. I think he is among the worst I have ever seen. Hope they are not paying him for those "contributions" to the broadcast.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2020, 08:45:17 PM
Who do you use for an interpreter when Ortiz is attempting to communicate.



Jeez -  you racist fuck.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2020, 08:49:36 PM
Who do you use for an interpreter when Ortiz is attempting to communicate.



Jeez -  you racist fuck.

Sorry, asshole, but he doesn't speak clearly enough to be understood. That's just a fact.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2020, 08:43:23 PM
He sure turnered on that one!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2020, 10:35:09 PM
Not a good night for the Rays, though fortunately for them no matter how much they lose by, the next game starts 0-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2020, 11:29:45 PM
Dodgers, 2 games to 1.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2020, 11:32:11 PM
Odd how every baseball player seems to have no difficulty understanding David Ortiz when he talks to them, even though we are told by Uno that Ortiz can't be understood.

Weird, huh?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2020, 10:42:38 AM
Dodgers, 2 games to 1.

It's going at least 6 games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2020, 10:51:42 AM
Dodgers, 2 games to 1.

It's going at least 6 games.

I hope so! I want 7. Mohr Baseball!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2020, 10:55:07 PM
First see-saw game of the Series!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2020, 11:23:46 PM
This game is a dilly

No * tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2020, 12:22:23 AM
This game is a dilly

No * tonight

A Double-dilly

I WAS WRONG THAT WAS A TWO ASTERISK GAME

**
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2020, 02:33:07 AM
This game is a dilly

No * tonight

A Double-dilly

I WAS WRONG THAT WAS A TWO ASTERISK GAME

**

Quite the ending.

Will Smith's fortunes were slightly different than the last time he was in the news...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2020, 08:00:52 PM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/122814859_10102990652644924_1096223025450957663_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=DgK_cCX0v0wAX_RF68P&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&tp=7&oh=3e7617a54ad4e6107299dc4fab6d85d8&oe=5FB9D768)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 25, 2020, 08:31:21 PM
A quick start.

Will this follow Game 4 or be more like Games 1-3?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2020, 09:54:41 AM
The Witch Treinen got it done.  Loved that guy during fantasy baseball days.

Poor at bat by Arozarena, who has been terrific, in eighth inning turned momentum back to LA.

Collect arms and guys who can go deep while being unselfish.  Evident this series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2020, 07:56:06 AM
The significance of the asterisk this season.

https://theweek.com/articles/945999/2020-world-series-winner-asterisk-many (https://theweek.com/articles/945999/2020-world-series-winner-asterisk-many)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2020, 10:01:13 AM
https://www.philliesnation.com/2020/10/dave-dombrowski-reportedly-interested-in-heading-phillies-front-office/ (https://www.philliesnation.com/2020/10/dave-dombrowski-reportedly-interested-in-heading-phillies-front-office/)

Uh..no, thanks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
Congrats to the LA Dodgers on their 2020 World Series* victory
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 27, 2020, 11:53:43 PM
pulling Snell was the play of the game

When I was a boy....

Remember when Luis Tiant threw like 165 pitchs in a complete game 4 win in '75 WS

we'll never see that again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 28, 2020, 12:45:46 AM
pulling Snell was the play of the game

When I was a boy....

Remember when Luis Tiant threw like 165 pitchs in a complete game 4 win in '75 WS

we'll never see that again.

"They're going to regret that," I said when they pulled Snell.

It was a good game and a good series. I think the better team won.

And maybe Snell gives up as much or more. But I think he was pulled too early.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2020, 01:03:45 AM
It was a "reverse Grady"

Cash will get 2nd guessed hard on this. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 28, 2020, 01:30:42 AM
 Just a big fat * baby!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 28, 2020, 09:25:25 AM
Rays aren't winning with one run.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 28, 2020, 09:28:22 AM
Question probably should be did Cash go to the right guy in the sixth, where you could say the save was to be.

Is there lingering strife between pitcher and club?  Should be interesting to see.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2020, 11:05:53 AM
Anyone else think Manfred was hammered last night?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2020, 11:29:11 AM
It was a 2020 season of unprecedented challenges for all involved -- right up until its final game, when the World Series champs' starting third baseman, Justin Turner, was pulled prior to the eighth inning after receiving the results of a positive COVID-19 test midgame.

Oh?



*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 28, 2020, 12:17:08 PM
It was a 2020 season of unprecedented challenges for all involved -- right up until its final game, when the World Series champs' starting third baseman, Justin Turner, was pulled prior to the eighth inning after receiving the results of a positive COVID-19 test midgame.

Oh?



*

And then came back onto the field after the game for the celebrations, team photos, etc.

Bad move, bad look.

I suspect Mr. Turner is in for a well earned suspension, to say the least.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 28, 2020, 12:40:31 PM
What did Manfred know and when did he know about the Justin Turner's smoking covid test?

I think he found out pre-game and that's when he started drinking.

As for a fine for Turner-for what, season's over, he was a civilian at that point.

And I'n being  little facetious.

If there is a breach in covid protocol, and there obviously was, its on the Dodgers and MLB.

why was Turner still in the stadium an not in a safe quarantine area?

MLB fulfilled the contract, delivered the product  and got paid, at that point, they could give a shit about player safety.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2020, 12:41:14 PM
1 year suspension for Turner - or you are not near serious.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2020, 01:14:01 PM
What did Manfred know and when did he know about the Justin Turner's smoking covid test?

I think he found out pre-game and that's when he started drinking.

As for a fine for Turner-for what, season's over, he was a civilian at that point.

And I'n being  little facetious.

If there is a breach in covid protocol, and there obviously was, its on the Dodgers and MLB.

why was Turner still in the stadium an not in a safe quarantine area?

MLB fulfilled the contract, delivered the product  and got paid, at that point, they could give a shit about player safety.

This "championship" gets two asterisks, now.

World Champions**
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 28, 2020, 01:16:13 PM
It appears that I underrated Turner as a ballplayer and overrated him as a person.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 28, 2020, 01:40:44 PM
1 year suspension for Turner - or you are not near serious.
Maybe something that has a chance in Hell of surviving review by an independent Arbitrator instead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 28, 2020, 01:47:21 PM
I watched the game last night but have little interest in following any winter news

Maybe someday I will be half, three quarters back.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 28, 2020, 02:24:41 PM
Maybe it is just me but I have a hard time conceptualizing 32 years between Championships * as a "drought".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 28, 2020, 04:52:57 PM
Maybe it is just me but I have a hard time conceptualizing 32 years between Championships * as a "drought".

I sympathize.

The folks in NY think 11 years is a drought.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2020, 05:31:42 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/justin-turners-selfish-celebration-is-a-symptom-of-a-much-larger-problem-152422116.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/justin-turners-selfish-celebration-is-a-symptom-of-a-much-larger-problem-152422116.html)

Fuck Turner and fuck the Dodgers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 29, 2020, 02:44:52 PM
Tony LaRussa named new Sox manager

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30218070/chicago-white-sox-name-tony-la-russa-76-new-manager (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30218070/chicago-white-sox-name-tony-la-russa-76-new-manager)

Tony La Russa, 76, a three-time World Series champion and a Hall of Famer, is the new manager of the Chicago White Sox, the team announced Thursday.

According to the Elias Sports Bureau, La Russa joins Jack McKeon as the only managers in MLB history to take over a team at the age of 75-or-older. McKeon was 80 when he took over the Marlins in 2011.


2nd time in white sox for TL

Seems like a weird hire.

maybe Reisnsdorf got an offset for LaRussa's social security benefits.

I understand Phil Jackson was Reinsdorf's first choice.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2020, 04:09:48 PM
LaRussa is a known cheater. Shouldn't be in the HOF.
NOR Torre or Cox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2020, 10:22:22 AM
Welcome back Alex.

I think the Sox were waiting for PA to turn blue.

from Jon Heyman

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1324717318262411264 (https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1324717318262411264)

Breaking: Alex Cora is back as Red Sox manager
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 06, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
Welcome back Alex.

I think the Sox were waiting for PA to turn blue.

from Jon Heyman

https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1324717318262411264 (https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1324717318262411264)

Breaking: Alex Cora is back as Red Sox manager

Cheaters gonna cheat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2020, 12:15:08 PM
I thought the Cora news dump right after PA went blue was pretty funny
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 06, 2020, 12:41:55 PM
Baseball takes a page from the NFL: https://sports.yahoo.com/brandon-martin-rays-mlb-first-round-pick-triple-muder-bat-234457356.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/brandon-martin-rays-mlb-first-round-pick-triple-muder-bat-234457356.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 06, 2020, 12:44:22 PM
I thought the Cora news dump right after PA went blue was pretty funny

I'm certain that no one in the Bronx will bring up Cora's cheating when the Sox visit. Further kudos to the Mets for NOT hiring Cora's fellow cheater Carlos Beltran.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 06, 2020, 12:51:36 PM
Concern about who is running the Red Sox surrounds the Cora hiring: https://sports.yahoo.com/alex-cora-better-chaim-blooms-165602923.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/alex-cora-better-chaim-blooms-165602923.html)


Fear and Loathing in Philadelphia: https://sports.yahoo.com/m/6f3966e3-696b-399d-af00-997fe464e193/the-phillies-and-john.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/m/6f3966e3-696b-399d-af00-997fe464e193/the-phillies-and-john.html)

The Cleveland Indians, severely strapped for money, are informing teams that they intend to trade All-Star shortstop Francisco Lindor by opening day, according to two rival executives.

The executives spoke to USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of trade talks.

Cleveland shopped Lindor last winter, and were in serious negotiations with the Los Angeles Dodgers in a deal that involved shortstop Corey Seager, but decided to hang onto him when the Dodgers declined to increase their offer.

Now, Cleveland may have no choice with Lindor expected to earn about $20 million in salary arbitration for the 2021 season, and will be eligible for free agency after the season.

The New York Mets would likely be a strong suitor for Lindor with billionaire Steve Cohen becoming the Mets’ new owner. Lindor not only is one of the top shortstops in the game, but one of baseball's most charismatic players and would be a star attraction in New York.

The Los Angeles Angels, Toronto Blue Jays and New York Yankees also would likely get involved in trade talks.

Teams, of course, could also wait until the winter of 2021 when an amazing class of shortstops will hit the free agent market. Besides Lindor, Seager, Carlos Correa of the Houston Astros, Javier Baez of the Chicago Cubs and the Colorado Rockies' Trevor Story are all eligible for free agency.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/11/05/indians-francisco-indians-trade-rumors-mlb/6173695002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/11/05/indians-francisco-indians-trade-rumors-mlb/6173695002/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2020, 12:57:27 PM
Cora did his time.

If you feel the need to dwell upon on his role as bench coach in Houston, have fun.

btw what do you figure Beltran taught Girardi about "inside baseball" before Beltran moved on to Houston to teach Hinch?

Whatever happened to Girardi?

TFF

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
I wonder if they told Cora about Mookie?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 06, 2020, 02:23:05 PM
Whatever happened to that guy?  He was like a supernova with the Red Sox, MVP and all.  I don't believe I heard a word about him in 2020.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2020, 02:28:53 PM
Whatever happened to that guy?  He was like a supernova with the Red Sox, MVP and all.  I don't believe I heard a word about him in 2020.

I think he opted out and joined the Pro Bowlers Tour.

Haven't heard much of him in months.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 06, 2020, 05:11:11 PM
Whatever happened to that guy?  He was like a supernova with the Red Sox, MVP and all.  I don't believe I heard a word about him in 2020.

He went to the league where they still play baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 06, 2020, 06:51:40 PM
Fuck the Red Sox.

Sorry, Xander.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2020, 07:44:40 PM
heh

kid is not offended by Trump's

-his Russian collusion
-his infatuation with dictators
-his extorting the Ukraine to the detriment of US national security
-his inept and indifferent management of a public health crisis which may lead to 500,000 deaths in this country
-his racism
-his indecency
-his sexism
-his contempt for our democracy
-his attacks on our core institutions
-his general unfitness for office

yet for reasons not clearly defined, kid is offended by the Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 06, 2020, 08:14:22 PM
Fan for 45 years.

Flushing it - yep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 06, 2020, 08:23:25 PM
Flushing 45?

a wise choice

America is flushing 45, a real piece of shit, as we speak.

Unfortunately the fucking stink will be around for awhile.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 07, 2020, 09:58:19 AM
Fan for 45 years.

Flushing it - yep.

Kid wants to go back  to Flushing, where Steve Cohen just flushed everyone in the front office.

I'd like to see Philly hire Omar Minaya in some capacity. He has a pretty good eye for talent. And he'd be highly, highly motivated to fuck the Mets, now that he's been kicked out by Alderson.

The Flushing of the Mets:
https://www.mlb.com/news/mets-part-ways-with-gm-brodie-van-wagenen (https://www.mlb.com/news/mets-part-ways-with-gm-brodie-van-wagenen)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 07, 2020, 10:14:18 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/07/us/dodgers-covid-cases-world-series-spt/index.html

Dodgers now have five cases of COVID-19.

Can't imagine from whom they might have caught it...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 07, 2020, 12:56:45 PM
Is Turner's wife positive?

How many Mets employees are currently positive?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 07, 2020, 01:50:44 PM
It's okay, Kid. You don't have to downplay Covid anymore.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 07, 2020, 04:58:42 PM
Trump washed his hands of covid months ago, and evaded all resposibility for it, nor attempted to control it as it ran through the US. And to his robotic supporters there was no plague.

But times change.

I expect kid to start referring to covid as the Bidemic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 08, 2020, 10:11:10 PM
speaking of Joe




WASHINGTON -- The Washington Nationals are making their pitch to President-elect Joe Biden. The Nats have invited Biden to toss out the ceremonial first ball next season on Opening Day. Washington is scheduled to host the New York Mets at Nationals Park on April 1.


William Howard Taft began the tradition of presidents throwing out the first pitch in Washington in 1910. Since then, every sitting president except Donald Trump has thrown out a first pitch when Washington had a major league franchise.

Every president but Trump...

that was the tell the guy is anti-American and has no feel for this country..
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2020, 11:10:27 AM
They know he's a Phillies fan, too, so that's a bit of trolling on their part.

Still, Joe won't disappoint, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 10, 2020, 11:14:49 AM
I imagine if we are lucky enough to have Joe Biden throw out a 1st pitch in DC opening day, Nats fans will give a Phillie's fan a standing O. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 12:41:04 PM
I think they should keep the invite open even if Joe should lose in the courts

For years of meritorious service to his ..ahem.....state.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 10, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
For a guy who preferred Biden for President you're coming up with a ton of posts imagining that he might lose in court.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 10, 2020, 12:59:34 PM
Cities are not burning (yet) - and this is a good thing
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2020, 08:03:45 PM
I think they should keep the invite open even if Joe should lose in the courts

For years of meritorious service to his ..ahem.....state.

What, exactly, would President-elect Biden "lose in the courts"?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2020, 08:20:46 PM
Now, here is someone who should "lose in the courts"!

New details have emerged about his February DUI arrest, which was made public on Monday. ESPN’s Jeff Passan is now reporting that La Russa tried to big-time his way out of the arrest by showing the police officer his ring and bragging about being a baseball Hall of Famer.

According to the police report obtained by ESPN, this is the officer’s account of the DUI stop:

La Russa stated, “I had one glass of wine while at dinner with my friends.” Before searching his person and placing him in the rear of my patrol vehicle La Russa asked, “Do you see my ring?” I asked La Russa what he was talking about? La Russa stated, “I’m a hall of famer baseball person.” While placing him in the rear of my patrol vehicle, La Russa stated, “I’m legit. I’m a hall of famer brother. Your [sic] trying to embarrass me.” I advised La Russa that I will to embarrass him, and he would be treated with the utmost respect.”

La Russa, 76, hasn’t been treated with the utmost respect on the internet following news of his second DUI arrest. Since the news came out, this has turned into a full-fledged PR nightmare for the White Sox.

Earlier on Tuesday, free agent pitcher Marcus Stroman tweeted that there was no amount of money that would make him want to play for someone like La Russa. Now this tidbit makes the La Russa and the White Sox look even worse.


Okay, asshole. You're only a "Hall of Famer" because you cheated, enabled cheaters, and rode the coattails of cheaters.

So fuck you and your "ring".

Pretty sad that this has been kept under wraps since FEBRUARY! Hello, sounds like the Commissioner was playing favorites once again.

Bad news for the White Sox. If they were smart, and they're not, especially with that owner, they'd fire him, now.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tony-la-russa-to-arresting-officer-during-dui-do-you-see-my-ring-im-a-hall-of-famer-191820045.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/tony-la-russa-to-arresting-officer-during-dui-do-you-see-my-ring-im-a-hall-of-famer-191820045.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2020, 08:25:32 PM
NL ROY wins after playing only 27 innings. Fuck this era of baseball and its dependency on analytics. Dopes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 13, 2020, 12:15:43 AM
Wait - the Mets fired Brody?

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 13, 2020, 12:21:54 PM
NL ROY wins after playing only 27 innings. Fuck this era of baseball and its dependency on analytics. Dopes.

2020*

this fucking year can't get over soon enough

*

2020 will be remembered for maybe 2 things

covid and its impact on our society

covid might have saved us at least in the short-term from a full-blown case of Donald Trump

we still got another 2 months on that one though.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 13, 2020, 02:06:29 PM
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/marlins-female-general-manager/2020/11/13/id/996962/

Congratulations.  She has waited quite some time for this (unlike Ms Hammon)

Credit Jeter and his guys.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 13, 2020, 02:18:28 PM
Jeter was good at going opposite field.

And now he's going opposite sex.

nice move Derek.

congrats and good luck to Ms. Ng.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 13, 2020, 02:28:12 PM
This eventually will be baseball related.

I started watching Handmaiden's Tale, (HT) a dystopian horror story a few weeks ago. And I finished season 1 (of 3) last week-end,

I watched S2 E1 last night. More on that in a second.

I suspect most know about HT, I knew of it very generally. but not the details. Briefly (so far) It portrays the US after a civil war where a militaristic authoritarian fanatic religious group takes over the US. But the plot focuses on the enslavement of fertile women to reproduce because of presumably the impact of STD, pollution or poor diet (added chemicals) on human's ability to reproduce. There's a shit-ton of infertility so only the powerful get an enslaved fertile woman to try and mate and reproduce and have a family with.
 
The show to date, is disturbing as hell in its portrayal of the cruelty and inhumanity, it probably makes Mike Pence hard, and Amy Coney Barrett giggle. but I digress.

So last night I need a break from Trump, will he or won't he, and I started season 2.

LSS, the opening scene as we soon discover takes place in Fenway Park, as symbolic of American sport as any i can readily think, and it transforms it into a torture chamber.

here's a youtube of the scene, its fucking grim. (the reveal comes about at 2:20)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxW1lRsiAww (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxW1lRsiAww)

Now I've experienced some torture watching games at Fenway, but not like this.

Watching Bucky Dent's wind-blown pop-up in '78 hurt, and watching Bob Gibson bringing his nasty self and crush an impossible dream in '67 stung, but Aunt Lydia is a whole different ballgame.

She can really bring it.

I imagine there were some interesting discussions among Sox ownership circles and maybe MLB and sponsors about using and portraying Fenway Park, America's most beloved ballpark, in such sadisitc cruel manner.

Fenway as the backdrop for a love story in Fever Pitch was cute, and it was mystical in Field of Dreams, and it played its part of the "Cathedral of Boston" in The Town,  and there are other examples, but its use in HT was a powerful and brutal use of imagery to drive home the perversions that society was going through.

I thought it really emotional and well done.

Thoughts or what are your favorites scenes using sports as a backdrop.

 
 
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 13, 2020, 08:15:20 PM
, America's most beloved ballpark, in such sadisitc cruel manner

Overstate much?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 13, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
I'm just referring to Fenway Park as its been called for years. And that phrase, , America's most beloved ballpark" is TMed.

But I find hyperbole when doled out with a teaspoon and not a shovel, is a fine rhetoric device.

In any case, I've no idea if you watched the show in question, or the specific episode, but as posted I found it evocative and provocative film-making.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 13, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
I watched about 5 or 6 episodes, but the genre is less than appealing to me, so I bailed.

Reminded me of too many in the GOP.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 13, 2020, 11:39:35 PM
I think it reminded a lot of people of today's twisted and perverse Republican party.

Gilead's
Original
Party


Quote
The show to date, is disturbing as hell in its portrayal of the cruelty and inhumanity, it probably makes Mike Pence hard, and Amy Coney Barrett giggle. but I digress.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 17, 2020, 01:30:36 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2918439-theo-epstein-to-step-down-as-cubs-president-will-be-replaced-by-jed-hoyer?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 17, 2020, 01:53:19 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2918439-theo-epstein-to-step-down-as-cubs-president-will-be-replaced-by-jed-hoyer?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial


Maybe Joe Biden has a job or special project for Theo while he sorts out his options.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 18, 2020, 06:30:30 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/18/us/robinson-cano-mets-suspended-spt-trnd/index.html

PEDs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 21, 2020, 09:37:17 PM
Reading about Toronto's basketball team in the news and of the Celtics and their GM reminded me of this headline from 1981:
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/126960083_10102503119325608_7589003541793400009_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=2&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=0czyC3lJDlEAX---SK7&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=ec738a1049ca927f0c23d6e4c4f586e2&oe=5FE06CF8)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 24, 2020, 12:55:33 PM
Braves sign Charlie Morton. One-year, $15 million.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/braves/2020/11/24/charlie-morton-signs-with-braves/6405555002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/braves/2020/11/24/charlie-morton-signs-with-braves/6405555002/)

Mets still have Tebow Fever. Going to replace Robbie Cano with Timmy? LOL!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/11/24/tim-tebow-return-mets-2021/6405092002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/mets/2020/11/24/tim-tebow-return-mets-2021/6405092002/)

Rays open to trading Snell: https://www.mlb.com/news/blake-snell-trade-scenario-rays (https://www.mlb.com/news/blake-snell-trade-scenario-rays)

Sox and Kris Bryant. Interest still there: https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/11/red-sox-trade-rumors-kris-bryant-deal-was-discussed-this-past-summer-boston-still-could-have-interest-in-2016-nl-mvp-report.html (https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/11/red-sox-trade-rumors-kris-bryant-deal-was-discussed-this-past-summer-boston-still-could-have-interest-in-2016-nl-mvp-report.html)




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 24, 2020, 01:04:44 PM
https://www.pitcherlist.com/why-curt-schilling-has-no-place-in-cooperstown/ (https://www.pitcherlist.com/why-curt-schilling-has-no-place-in-cooperstown/)

Excellent piece on why "Red-light" Schilling needs to be allowed by the BBWAA to fade to black. Unrepentant racists have no place in the HOF. Voting for one is an act of complicity that should be unforgivable.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2020, 01:38:19 PM
Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2020, 01:39:25 PM
Content warning:. Racism, violence

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 24, 2020, 08:11:40 PM
Content warning:. Racism, violence

Heh

And: Being a dick.

Should come with most of your posts, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 24, 2020, 10:27:12 PM
Sorry to spoil your party - I think 38 gets into the HOF soon.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 24, 2020, 10:30:30 PM
Sorry to spoil your party - I think 38 gets into the HOF soon.

Given who else is in there with political foibles, it's hard to see a consistent reason to keep him out.

Not that I find the HoF voters to be especially consistent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 25, 2020, 09:18:13 AM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/randy-arozarena-rays-arrested-mexico-domestic-dispute/

Not good news for the (former) rookie. I hope it turns out to have been a tempest in a teapot, with nobody hurt beyond feelings, but I am not optimistic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 25, 2020, 12:51:21 PM
Sorry to spoil your party - I think 38 gets into the HOF soon.

Given who else is in there with political foibles, it's hard to see a consistent reason to keep him out.

Not that I find the HoF voters to be especially consistent.

And there's the rub. NO SPORTSWRITER should be involved with putting players in the HOF.

Especially those who can not see that putting someone as indecent a person, as bigoted, as racist, and as narcissistic as this one. The excuse of saying "given who else is in there" is just that. An excuse. There is no need to perpetuate mistakes that have been made in the past.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2020, 02:58:53 PM
Sorry to spoil your party - I think 38 gets into the HOF soon.

Given who else is in there with political foibles, it's hard to see a consistent reason to keep him out.

Not that I find the HoF voters to be especially consistent.

And there's the rub. NO SPORTSWRITER should be involved with putting players in the HOF.

Especially those who can not see that putting someone as indecent a person, as bigoted, as racist, and as narcissistic as this one. The excuse of saying "given who else is in there" is just that. An excuse. There is no need to perpetuate mistakes that have been made in the past.

We've had this discussion a few billion times and you've never made a case that there is a more impartial or less conflicted body or learned body to judge a player's worthiness to enter the HoF.

Because you can't.

Schilling's politics are abhorent and he seems from what little I know of him to be a racist-fascsit nut, which, may or may not trigger the BB writers to vote against him on the basis of his breaching the HoF's "character" clause.

which reads: "voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played."

As I recall during his playing days the greatest knock on the guy was he liked the spotlght and the microphone too much. His politics as far as I know during his playing days were never an issue. And as far as I know the other big character issue which has kept other guys out, PEDS, is not a factor with Schilling.

as an aside without the character issue, IMO he should probably get in, but I'm still not sure how I'd vote.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 25, 2020, 03:24:47 PM
https://view.mail.mlblists.com/messages/1606320199668644534f0345c/raw (https://view.mail.mlblists.com/messages/1606320199668644534f0345c/raw)

But speaking of baseball and character issues and the HoF, today I got this from MLB and one of their partners

(https://mktg.mlbstatic.com/mlb-email/sponsorship/BetMGM_1125.jpg)

This may trigger another one of your favorite arguments.

You may find a more sympathetic ear.

MLB's hypocrisy is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 25, 2020, 04:27:30 PM
Time to let Shoeless Joe and Clueless Pete into the Hall!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 25, 2020, 05:50:50 PM
I'm sure there are far worse people than Curt Schilling in the HOF.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 25, 2020, 06:55:10 PM
I'm sure there are far worse people than Curt Schilling in the HOF.

Perpetuating wrongs doesn't make a right.

He doesn't belong.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2020, 06:40:33 PM
I'm sure there are far worse people than Curt Schilling in the HOF.

Heh

Yessss...

Some that word stripes and others that should have.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2020, 11:49:52 AM
Bet the Mets sign Kyle Schwarber.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 03, 2020, 11:52:35 AM
https://www.pitcherlist.com/why-curt-schilling-has-no-place-in-cooperstown/ (https://www.pitcherlist.com/why-curt-schilling-has-no-place-in-cooperstown/)

Excellent piece on why "Red-light" Schilling needs to be allowed by the BBWAA to fade to black. Unrepentant racists have no place in the HOF.
Ty Cobb?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 03, 2020, 02:34:18 PM
UNO reading  baseball stuff from grad students now

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2020, 05:27:17 PM
https://www.pitcherlist.com/why-curt-schilling-has-no-place-in-cooperstown/ (https://www.pitcherlist.com/why-curt-schilling-has-no-place-in-cooperstown/)

Excellent piece on why "Red-light" Schilling needs to be allowed by the BBWAA to fade to black. Unrepentant racists have no place in the HOF.
Ty Cobb?

Damage done. But more damage doesn't have to be done.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 03, 2020, 05:28:23 PM
UNO reading  baseball stuff from grad students now

heh

Kid, while still learning to read, has yet to reach graduate level.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 07, 2020, 05:09:50 PM
RIP, Dick Allen, Hall of Famer, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uWvkxj-C64&list=PLOk7SmhIQGShi4DKx_GeSIdtl7djktiba&index=2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uWvkxj-C64&list=PLOk7SmhIQGShi4DKx_GeSIdtl7djktiba&index=2)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 07, 2020, 06:49:20 PM
RIP Dick Allen
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on December 07, 2020, 07:05:29 PM
RIP Dick Allen
A ton of talent.A shame he had to play in front of those racist fans in Philly in the 60'S
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 07, 2020, 07:22:10 PM
Richie could freakin hit.

Loved the specs as well
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 07, 2020, 08:33:41 PM
RIP Dick Allen
A ton of talent.A shame he had to play in front of those racist fans in Philly in the 60'S

At least he didn't have to play in front of the racist Boston fans of the current era. Like you, asshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 07, 2020, 08:37:50 PM
RIP Dick Allen
A ton of talent.A shame he had to play in front of those racist fans in Philly in the 60'S

As opposed to the racist fans in Chicago?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on December 08, 2020, 05:53:22 PM
Any fish bite if you got good bait
Title: Re: Umpire runs afoul of the law
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 08, 2020, 08:05:42 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-umpire-among-14-arrested-in-ohio-sex-sting-operation-010805758.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/mlb-umpire-among-14-arrested-in-ohio-sex-sting-operation-010805758.html)

Maybe he can get Bob Kraft's attorneys.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 09, 2020, 11:05:54 AM
"Mays, Mantle, and Maris...but I saw Dick Allen. he was the best, just unbelievable."---Goose Gossage, as quoted in the book "The Quotable Baseball Fanatic", by Louis D. Rubin, Jr.

And here for your listening pleasure, and perhaps, your education, is Goose in an extremely candid interview discussing Allen.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hall-of-famer-goose-gossage-remembers-his-friend-dick-allen/id1162163703?i=1000501675773 (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/hall-of-famer-goose-gossage-remembers-his-friend-dick-allen/id1162163703?i=1000501675773)


It's truly worth your time, because you never hear a major leaguer talk about another player as though he is just fan the way Gossage does here.

  He actually starts crying. It's an amazing tribute, and hearing him get so emotional will move you, too.


"They shouldn't even have a Hall of Fame, if Dick Allen isn't in there."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 09, 2020, 03:26:17 PM
https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-invites-119-teams-to-join-minor-leagues-in-2021/ (https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-invites-119-teams-to-join-minor-leagues-in-2021/)

Multiple sources tell Baseball America that Major League Baseball has sent invitations to 119 of the 120 teams it is inviting to be part of its MLB-developed minor league system.


 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 06:38:36 PM
Yeah.  Minors is changing.  Draft is changing.

I had heard earlier that Manfred wanted just AA and AAA tied to teams.  All else independent.

I guess this article ties in with that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 10, 2020, 06:43:38 PM
Dealin' Dave D reportedly Philly bound to run base ops.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 11, 2020, 07:00:52 AM
Dealin' Dave D reportedly Philly bound to run base ops.

Going for a repeat of the Pat Gillick Trick? Hope so. Wonder what Girardi thinks?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 13, 2020, 10:37:21 PM
Report: Indians to bite the dust this week

The Cleveland Indians plan to drop the nickname they have used for more than a century, becoming the latest professional sports franchise to shed its Native American imagery amid accusations that its use is racist, two sources familiar with the decision confirmed to ESPN.

The organization is expected to announce the change this week, sources said, continuing a years-long process in which they abandoned their Chief Wahoo logo and committed to exploring a new nickname, as well.



https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30515643/sources-cleveland-drop-indians-nickname-105-years (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30515643/sources-cleveland-drop-indians-nickname-105-years)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 14, 2020, 10:29:58 AM
The future in Cleveland looks like this!

(http://apparel.spontaneouslycombustible.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Cleveland-Spiders-Hat-Mockups-112-navy-front.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 14, 2020, 10:32:13 AM
The Mets get their catcher: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30502998/mets-catcher-mccann-finalizing-four-year-deal-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30502998/mets-catcher-mccann-finalizing-four-year-deal-sources-say)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 14, 2020, 11:04:09 AM
Spiders seems to be the gaining traction on the internet

its got baseball history and the logo (above) is cool

Although I just read that some guy in DC front-ran the name last year and applied for a Cleveland Spiders trademark;

If the Cleveland Baseball Team (poetic-rolls off the tongue) can get around that issue, and go with Spiders,

I wonder if one of the legs hold a tomahawk?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 14, 2020, 02:33:27 PM
Spiders seems to be the gaining traction on the internet

its got baseball history and the logo (above) is cool

Although I just read that some guy in DC front-ran the name last year and applied for a Cleveland Spiders trademark;

If the Cleveland Baseball Team (poetic-rolls off the tongue) can get around that issue, and go with Spiders,

I wonder if one of the legs hold a tomahawk?

I suggest, too...the Cleveland Rock, capitalizing on the RocknRoll Hall of Fame that really belongs in Philly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 14, 2020, 03:11:37 PM
Spiders seems to be the gaining traction on the internet

its got baseball history and the logo (above) is cool

Although I just read that some guy in DC front-ran the name last year and applied for a Cleveland Spiders trademark;

If the Cleveland Baseball Team (poetic-rolls off the tongue) can get around that issue, and go with Spiders,

I wonder if one of the legs hold a tomahawk?

I suggest, too...the Cleveland Rock, capitalizing on the RocknRoll Hall of Fame that really belongs in Philly.
Can't be in Filly. The Rock hall honors to many African Americans for a racist city like Philadelphia.

While that cap is cool AF, I am not sure the Spiders have a historical record of success.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on December 14, 2020, 04:37:24 PM
Cleveland should change their name to the Fighting Irish. That way they can be offensive and get away with it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on December 14, 2020, 04:38:27 PM
Spiders seems to be the gaining traction on the internet

its got baseball history and the logo (above) is cool

Although I just read that some guy in DC front-ran the name last year and applied for a Cleveland Spiders trademark;

If the Cleveland Baseball Team (poetic-rolls off the tongue) can get around that issue, and go with Spiders,

I wonder if one of the legs hold a tomahawk?

I suggest, too...the Cleveland Rock, capitalizing on the RocknRoll Hall of Fame that really belongs in Philly.
Can't be in Filly. The Rock hall honors to many African Americans for a racist city like Philadelphia.

While that cap is cool AF, I am not sure the Spiders have a historical record of success.
You are correct sir😁😁
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 14, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
Spiders seems to be the gaining traction on the internet

its got baseball history and the logo (above) is cool

Although I just read that some guy in DC front-ran the name last year and applied for a Cleveland Spiders trademark;

If the Cleveland Baseball Team (poetic-rolls off the tongue) can get around that issue, and go with Spiders,

I wonder if one of the legs hold a tomahawk?

I suggest, too...the Cleveland Rock, capitalizing on the RocknRoll Hall of Fame that really belongs in Philly.
Can't be in Filly. The Rock hall honors to many African Americans for a racist city like Philadelphia.

While that cap is cool AF, I am not sure the Spiders have a historical record of success.

Isn't the reason Cleveland and rock n roll are associated is because Alan Freed a DJ, took payola to play RnR?

I think Memphis probably got rooked.

I heard the team soon to be nameless is holding on to the Indians until next year.

They still got stuff in inventory they got to move!
 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 14, 2020, 05:50:56 PM
Spiders seems to be the gaining traction on the internet

its got baseball history and the logo (above) is cool

Although I just read that some guy in DC front-ran the name last year and applied for a Cleveland Spiders trademark;

If the Cleveland Baseball Team (poetic-rolls off the tongue) can get around that issue, and go with Spiders,

I wonder if one of the legs hold a tomahawk?

I suggest, too...the Cleveland Rock, capitalizing on the RocknRoll Hall of Fame that really belongs in Philly.
Can't be in Filly. The Rock hall honors to many African Americans for a racist city like Philadelphia.

While that cap is cool AF, I am not sure the Spiders have a historical record of success.

Isn't the reason Cleveland and rock n roll are associated is because Alan Freed a DJ, took payola to play RnR?

I think Memphis probably got rooked.

I heard the team soon to be nameless is holding on to the Indians until next year.

They still got stuff in inventory they got to move!
Actually Cleveland got the Rock Hall because of tax breaks, money from local businesses, exposed, swollen government teat, the usual. Alan Freed was window dressing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 14, 2020, 08:55:24 PM
Isn't that a Richmond hat?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 16, 2020, 12:30:32 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/negro-leagues-given-major-league-status-for-baseball-records-stats (https://www.mlb.com/news/negro-leagues-given-major-league-status-for-baseball-records-stats)

Major League Baseball has long celebrated the legacy of the Negro Leagues. But for the first time, MLB is officially recognizing that the quality of the segregation-era circuits was comparable to its own product from that time period.

Addressing what MLB described as a “long overdue recognition,” Commissioner Rob Manfred on Wednesday bestowed Major League status upon seven professional Negro Leagues that operated between 1920 and 1948. The decision means that the approximately 3,400 players of the Negro Leagues during this time period are officially considered Major Leaguers, with their stats and records becoming a part of Major League history.

“All of us who love baseball have long known that the Negro Leagues produced many of our game’s best players, innovations and triumphs against a backdrop of injustice,” Manfred said in a statement. “We are now grateful to count the players of the Negro Leagues where they belong: as Major Leaguers within the official historical record.”


I'm not a Manfred fan, but this decision is a home-run.

Black records matter too.

as do CDs tapes and...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 16, 2020, 01:11:16 PM
Black records matter too.

as do CDs tapes and...


So...Jackie Robinson and Frank Robinson and Smokey Robinson...https://www.cbsnews.com/news/smokey-robinson-mispronounces-chanukah-viral-video/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/smokey-robinson-mispronounces-chanukah-viral-video/)

Happy Chanooka!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 16, 2020, 01:39:20 PM
ABOUT TIME!


https://www.mlb.com/news/negro-leagues-given-major-league-status-for-baseball-records-stats (https://www.mlb.com/news/negro-leagues-given-major-league-status-for-baseball-records-stats)

Major League Baseball has long celebrated the legacy of the Negro Leagues. But for the first time, MLB is officially recognizing that the quality of the segregation-era circuits was comparable to its own product from that time period.

Addressing what MLB described as a “long overdue recognition,” Commissioner Rob Manfred on Wednesday bestowed Major League status upon seven professional Negro Leagues that operated between 1920 and 1948. The decision means that the approximately 3,400 players of the Negro Leagues during this time period are officially considered Major Leaguers, with their stats and records becoming a part of Major League history.

“All of us who love baseball have long known that the Negro Leagues produced many of our game’s best players, innovations and triumphs against a backdrop of injustice,” Manfred said in a statement. “We are now grateful to count the players of the Negro Leagues where they belong: as Major Leaguers within the official historical record.”


I'm not a Manfred fan, but this decision is a home-run.

Black records matter too.

as do CDs tapes and...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 16, 2020, 01:40:06 PM
I missed this about Ump Brian O'Nora:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2921363?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

He was picked up as one of 8 in a human trafficking ring.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 16, 2020, 03:04:09 PM
The impact could be sweeping. For example, Ted Williams has for eight decades been recognized as the last man to hit .400 in Major League Baseball. His .406 batting average for the Boston Red Sox in 1941 is a statistic permanently etched in the fabric of the sport, standing for generations as one of the pinnacles of athletic achievement.

However, Josh Gibson, the Hall-of-Fame catcher known for his time with the Homestead Grays, hit .441 in 1943, according to the Seamheads Negro League Database, a key source MLB used in reaching its decision. That means that Gibson not only tops Williams, but surpasses Hugh Duffy’s .440 for the 1894 Boston Beaneaters for the best ever.




 
---WSJ.com

Ted's head must be rolling around in his freezer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 16, 2020, 03:59:06 PM
The impact could be sweeping. For example, Ted Williams has for eight decades been recognized as the last man to hit .400 in Major League Baseball. His .406 batting average for the Boston Red Sox in 1941 is a statistic permanently etched in the fabric of the sport, standing for generations as one of the pinnacles of athletic achievement.

However, Josh Gibson, the Hall-of-Fame catcher known for his time with the Homestead Grays, hit .441 in 1943, according to the Seamheads Negro League Database, a key source MLB used in reaching its decision. That means that Gibson not only tops Williams, but surpasses Hugh Duffy’s .440 for the 1894 Boston Beaneaters for the best ever.




 
---WSJ.com

Thanks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 17, 2020, 06:32:03 PM
The impact could be sweeping. For example, Ted Williams has for eight decades been recognized as the last man to hit .400 in Major League Baseball. His .406 batting average for the Boston Red Sox in 1941 is a statistic permanently etched in the fabric of the sport, standing for generations as one of the pinnacles of athletic achievement.

However, Josh Gibson, the Hall-of-Fame catcher known for his time with the Homestead Grays, hit .441 in 1943, according to the Seamheads Negro League Database, a key source MLB used in reaching its decision. That means that Gibson not only tops Williams, but surpasses Hugh Duffy’s .440 for the 1894 Boston Beaneaters for the best ever.


Ted's head may be okay, not to mention Hugh Duffy's lead and Barry Bonds' as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/17/us/negro-leagues-major-league-baseball-records-spt/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 24, 2020, 11:06:13 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/now/how-will-mlb-handle-clubhouse-divisions-over-covid-19-vaccine-as-baseball-seeks-return-to-normalcy-230107345.html (https://www.yahoo.com/now/how-will-mlb-handle-clubhouse-divisions-over-covid-19-vaccine-as-baseball-seeks-return-to-normalcy-230107345.html)
The reality, however, will likely be much more complicated. Even when they seem to provide relief from the pandemic, vaccines are a divisive and controversial issue in this country. If they’re not mandated — and it seems they won’t be — a segment of the baseball population will almost certainly abstain, possibly compromising the safety or viability of the 2021 season.

“This is obviously a very challenging question and topic,” Minnesota Twins manager Rocco Baldelli said on a Zoom with reporters.

The overwhelming majority of MLB managers that Yahoo Sports spoke to this week specified that they will themselves get the vaccine, but would not attempt to impose their personal views on the rest of their clubhouse.

“I will get vaccinated, yes,” Brewers skipper Craig Counsell said, “as of what I know right now.”

“That question is going to be answered probably through my wife because she's in charge and we got three kids so I'll let her decide,” Rays manager Kevin Cash said. “But, from what I've understood and learned to date, I would not be hesitant to get vaccinated.”

“I believe in the science of the vaccine. I believe the FDA has approved the vaccine for a reason, and that reason is extensive study,” said Giants manager Gabe Kapler.

“I need to talk to the doctors and see what, if any complications, there are with those of us that have had it before,” said Tigers manager AJ Hinch, who had COVID-19 earlier this year. “But I want to be safe and I want the freedom to move around the country and move around baseball.”

...In the case of strong opposition to the vaccine, most managers deferred to individual choice.

“It's your choice,” Nationals manager Dave Martinez said. “And that's the beautiful thing about this country is that we can make those kinds of choices.”

Nobody said they would require it for their players — “I don't think it'd be right for me to point the finger and say ‘you got to do this,’ we just don't operate like that,” Cash said — but that doesn’t mean they won’t talk about it.

“I will of course be open to having conversations with our players and talking about anything that they want to talk about,” Kapler said. “Happy to talk through FDA approval and talk through the different companies that are doing a pretty good job of developing vaccines and rolling them out.”

“I'll address it directly with our players, I'll let them know what my plans are and I'll let them disagree,” Hinch said. “If they disagree, we'll move forward with whatever rules are put in place by Major League Baseball.”

Will MLB mandate vaccination?
Deference to a higher mandate was another theme. Managers will be the ones implementing guidelines and mediating fallout in clubhouses, but if there is going to be a baseball-wide ruling regarding COVID-19 vaccinations, it’ll come from above the team level.

Asked about plans to issue any sort of guidelines or require vaccinations, MLB sidestepped the issue, telling Yahoo Sports in a statement, “In conjunction with our team of medical experts, we are tracking all developments related to vaccines. We are working on plans both to promote vaccination and to ensure that the members of our industry are vaccinated at an appropriate time.”

New guidelines issued by the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission allow employers to require COVID-19 vaccines. However, as it pertains to baseball, a vaccine mandate would almost certainly have to be negotiated with the MLB Players Association (one manager compared it hypothetically to the existing joint drug agreement) and it is highly unlikely the union would agree to make it mandatory.

“It's hard. If somebody disagrees and doesn't want to do it, I don't know what protocols we're going to have in place,” Hinch said. “I know we want a safe environment, I know we want the fans back in the stands. I know we want something to feel normal again, which is baseball in the summer with freedom to move around and leave the hotel and go to the ballpark whenever we want and live a baseball life that we've lived our whole lives.

“Part of that is going to be a responsibility to learn about the vaccine and the important safety protocols and follow them to the best of your ability.”


Title: Fresh Cold Coal for MLB's Stocking
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 24, 2020, 11:11:40 AM
It was supposed to be different this time around.

Major League Baseball embraced the Black Lives Matter movement this summer, and pledged diversity in their front-office hirings this winter.

In the end, there were eight president of baseball operation and GM jobs filled this winter, and not a single job went to an African-American. Kim Ng was the only minority hired when she became the first woman and first person of East Asian descent to be the GM of a MLB franchise with the Miami Marlins.

The New York Mets hired two white men — Sandy Alderson and Jared Porter — to become their president and GM, respectively.

The Philadelphia Phillies hired a white man, Dave Dombrowski, to become their president of baseball operations.

There were new white GMs in Texas (Chris Young) and Anaheim (Perry Minasian)...

“Improving the diversity of our clubs’ baseball operations and on-field leadership positions remains a top priority for our industry,’’ Manfred said in a statement to USA TODAY Sports. “Through the Selig Rule, diverse candidates were considered for each of the five open club baseball operations positions.  While the hiring of Marlins General Manager Kim Ng was a historic moment in professional sports, we need to continue our efforts to recruit, develop and advance underrepresented talent across the league. … We remain committed to building a sustainable pipeline of quality candidates and opportunities for the near and long-term future.”

The problem is that the pipeline is filled with white Ivy League graduates. There’s a scarcity of minorities even among entry level internships.

And then there is Pittsburgh Pirates assistant GM Kevan Graves, who is Black and a 2003 graduate of Dartmouth who did not receive an interview this winter.

“How in the world does Michael Hill not have a job?’’ a team president told USA TODAY Sports on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject. “He has been a president and a GM. He does an unbelievable job in Miami. And he has a Harvard education.

“If he was white, he could have had any job he wanted.’’


https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/12/16/black-candidates-shut-out-mlb-front-office-jobs/3918722001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2020/12/16/black-candidates-shut-out-mlb-front-office-jobs/3918722001/)





Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 24, 2020, 11:24:03 AM
https://slate.com/culture/2020/12/negro-leagues-major-league-baseball-record-books-complications.html (https://slate.com/culture/2020/12/negro-leagues-major-league-baseball-record-books-complications.html)

“All of us who love baseball have long known that the Negro Leagues produced many of our game’s best players, innovations and triumphs against a backdrop of injustice,” MLB Commissioner Rob Manfred said in a statement. “We are now grateful to count the players of the Negro Leagues where they belong: as Major Leaguers within the official historical record.”

While a “backdrop” suggests flat scenery that quickly fades from the viewer’s attention, the institutionalized racism that spawned the Negro Leagues makes the recordkeeping MLB is attempting a fraught exercise. Excluding barnstorming teams and years prior to 1920 makes this accounting definitionally incomplete. Even for players who seem well documented, bucketing their records along with the rest of the major leagues struggles to capture the objective history people seek in statistics. Ironically, deeming certain incomplete numbers “official” puts a stamp of certainty on these stats that can’t possibly exist, and it risks diminishing mythic heroes like Gibson in the process...

...To some, such as ESPN’s Howard Bryant, pouring the stats of the segregated era into the monolithic major league database does not celebrate or elevate the Negro Leagues; it erases them.

“I think, if there’s one thing we know about baseball, [it] is [that] the numbers are always sacred. And I don’t think that you can … retrofit this,” he told PBS’s John Yang.

“You’re not looking at, well, OK, from 1920 to 1948, there was the American League and the National League on the white side and then there was the Negro Leagues on the other side.

That’s not what took place. What segregation did to Black players is, it destroyed them. It created a permanent inferiority that you cannot retrofit 100 years later. You had inferior conditions. You had tattered record books. You don’t know how many games guys played.”

The newly authenticated stats provide a minimum baseline of truth, but not the whole truth.
Gibson—a slugging catcher for the Homestead Grays who died at 35, months before Jackie Robinson broke the color barrier—presents perhaps the widest discrepancy between the legend and the newly official numbers. The folklore on Gibson is that he knocked nearly 800 home runs; it even says so on his Hall of Fame plaque. Where that number comes from, and whether it’s accurate, is hard to say. Whatever the source, there is an awkwardly large chasm between that legendary round figure and Gibson’s new documented mark of 238. (Ultimately, the Elias Sports Bureau will determine whether 238 or another official number will count as Gibson’s total.) That would put Gibson in a four-way tie for 264th place all time, alongside Earl Averill, Ray Lankford, and, for now, J.D. Martinez of the Boston Red Sox.


Baseball history enthusiasts—even many casual ones—know that Gibson sustained a Paul Bunyan–like legend. But statistics can outlast stories, and one wonders how a curious fan might view one of the 20th century’s greatest sluggers upon seeing him buried in a sea of good-not-great players on the home run list.

Babe Ruth had the called shot, but he also had jaw-dropping statistical achievements, such as in 1921, when he hit more home runs than half the teams in the league. Gibson, sometimes called the Black Babe Ruth, has a similar mythology, but the likely official stats will pale in comparison to Ruth’s—or any number of ultimately forgettable long-ballers of more recent decades.

Did Gibson hit more than 238 home runs? Probably. Did Cool Papa Bell swipe more than 345 bags? Seems likely. Did he ever get caught? Almost certainly. But there’s meaning and fun in thinking that he was never thrown out, and there’s just no possible way for us to ever know how many times he got caught, because racist institutions made it impossible. The newly authenticated stats provide a minimum baseline of truth, but not the whole truth.

So why bother doing this? Negro Leagues President Bob Kendrick called the move “extraordinarily important,” saying it gives “additional credence to how significant the Negro Leagues were, both on and off the field.” He added an important counterpoint, noting that Negro League players “never looked to Major League Baseball to validate them.”

Bryant was less charitable.

“I don’t think that this satisfies the Black players, but I think it makes people feel good about a period that nobody feels good about,” he said.

The league was already in an awkward position when it comes to certifying other leagues. In 1969, an all-white panel representing the National and American Leagues, the Baseball Writers Association, the Hall of Fame, and the commissioner’s office certified four leagues that existed briefly around the turn of the century—while ignoring the Negro Leagues. That panel’s certification became a sign of legitimacy, and its omission of the Negro Leagues an insult to the injury of racial exclusion.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 24, 2020, 12:12:48 PM
I think mashing the records together is a mistake.

Separate and equal may be the right answer.

There are AL records. NL records, MLB records, and Negro League records, recognize them all, but in a context that makes sense.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 25, 2020, 07:43:28 AM
I think mashing the records together is a mistake.

Separate and equal may be the right answer.

There are AL records. NL records, MLB records, and Negro League records, recognize them all, but in a context that makes sense.

History is always ready for a rewrite from someone. 

Truly examining history and records of any era means preparing to consider one's own confirmation biases and one's own cognitive dissonance. Such a discipline is difficult work, and well beyond the ken of most MLB execs or the delusional sports press.

Otherwise, Jamie Moyer would be in the Hall of Fame.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 25, 2020, 11:21:00 AM
I'm all for analytical pursuits and closely examaning and comping stats. Its basically what I've done for decades.

I just think dumping the Negro League stats into the MLB stats is a poor methodology and in most cases will lead to irrelevant conclusions.

And Jamie Moyer was not in my opinion a Hall of Fame major league pitcher pitcher.

But rather a very old one

if you want to celebrate his age that's fine.

So send him a card.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 25, 2020, 04:58:47 PM
I'm all for analytical pursuits and closely examaning and comping stats. Its basically what I've done for decades.

I just think dumping the Negro League stats into the MLB stats is a poor methodology and in most cases will lead to irrelevant conclusions.

And Jamie Moyer was not in my opinion a Hall of Fame major league pitcher pitcher.

But rather a very old one

if you want to celebrate his age that's fine.

So send him a card.


 It's not just the methodology on the Negro League state, it's the idea that MLB is going to rewrite a history of exclusion by deciding that statistics now create inclusion.


As to Mr. Moyer...Find me someone who won 200 games in the modern era after the age of 30 who did not throw a knuckleball. Then we can talk about pitching in both leagues and how difficult it is to stay healthy and relevant enough to accumulate those wins.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on December 25, 2020, 05:24:21 PM
 Tommy John.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 25, 2020, 05:38:48 PM
Longevity and winning games with close to 5.00 ERA for his last 10 years doesn't make a compelling case for me.

He played on some good teams that gave him run support.

We disagree on Moyer.

But 2% of the BBWAA agree with you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 25, 2020, 06:58:31 PM
There really isnt a case for Moyer

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 27, 2020, 06:05:26 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30605849/hall-fame-pitcher-phil-niekro-famous-signature-knuckleball-dies-81 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30605849/hall-fame-pitcher-phil-niekro-famous-signature-knuckleball-dies-81)

RIP Phil Niekro

Phil Niekro, a pitcher who used his signature knuckleball to fool generations of hitters and craft a Hall of Fame career, died Saturday night in his sleep after a long battle with cancer, the Atlanta Braves announced Sunday. He was 81.

Niekro, inducted into the Hall of Fame in 1997, was one of baseball's most prolific and durable pitchers, using his "butterfly" pitch to win 318 games in a career that spanned 24 seasons, including 21 with the Milwaukee/Atlanta Braves.



Niekro joined Lou Brock, Whitey Ford, Bob Gibson, Al Kaline, Joe Morgan and Tom Seaver as Hall of Famers who died in 2020 -- the most ever to pass away in a calendar year, according to Hall of Fame spokesman Jon Shestakofsky.

This fucking year can't end soon enough
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 28, 2020, 06:28:20 PM
There really isnt a case for Moyer


https://www.mlb.com/cut4/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-jamie-moyer-c263202568 (https://www.mlb.com/cut4/the-hall-of-fame-case-for-jamie-moyer-c263202568)

Tommy John.


Sorry, my mistake. How many won 200 games after the age of 33?



269 wins, 200 after the age of 33...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 28, 2020, 06:36:24 PM
According to baseballreference.com:


Similar Pitchers

Dennis Martinez (894.2)
Bartolo Colon (881.1)
Jack Morris (864.5) *
Jim Kaat (859.8)
Burleigh Grimes (859.0) *
Tommy John (855.6)
Frank Tanana (854.3)
Tom Glavine (850.3) *
Red Ruffing (847.4) *
Andy Pettitte (839.8)


* - Signifies Hall of Famer

And while we are at it, Jim Kaat belongs, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 28, 2020, 07:47:22 PM
I don't know what's wrong with our emojis, but as we don't have them but the program keeps trying to put them in, I cleaned it up, Ham. Hope you don't mind.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 28, 2020, 10:37:12 PM
Jamie Moyer was similar to Tom Glavine?

This is what you are going with?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 28, 2020, 10:54:34 PM
Jamie Moyer was similar to Tom Glavine?

This is what you are going with?

Having a hard time reading, are you?

Baseball Reference said it. You want to argue with them and their stats? Knock yourself out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 28, 2020, 11:44:35 PM
Jamie Moyer was a good pitcher who had a unique back end to his career. Being great compared to other 45 year old pitchers is not the same as being great. At no time was he ever elite. He was never one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball. He does not deserve a plaque.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 29, 2020, 01:32:55 AM
Jamie Moyer was a good pitcher who had a unique back end to his career. Being great compared to other 45 year old pitchers is not the same as being great. At no time was he ever elite. He was never one of the 10 best pitchers in baseball. He does not deserve a plaque.

And the same Baseball-Reference cite that compares him to a bunch of other pitchers, some of whom are in the Hall presents HoF criteria and he is far below what would do it. And that one or two who are also far below it are in is not evidence that he should be, just a suggestion that perhaps they should not.

Now, Jim McCormick ought to be in the Hall and should have been decades ago!

And I would put Luis Tiant in the Hall well before Jamie Moyer.

And I liked Jamie Moyer. But no HoF for him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 30, 2020, 12:04:16 PM
The case for Moyer is about the artistry. He was a man pitching on both sides of the plate, hitting his spots as a lefty with mystifying change of speed, and without the gift of a power arm or a knuckleball. And he did it with aplomb, without the egocentric nature that is attached to so many starting pitchers, or pitchers who have won as many games as he did. He won games in both leagues.

He won games in 4 different decades---from the decadent 80's through the cheating 90's and the contentious '00's, to the '10's. He won 269 games, and 200 of them after the age of 33.

If he were a wine, he'd be the unappreciated petite syrah, an exceptionally rare grape with less than 10,000 planted acres worldwide. In an era in a world that only thinks of cabernet, the petite syrah, like Moyer, has been seriously overlooked.

Why? Because only those who truly understand how difficult it is to pitch in Major League Baseball for 25 years and never have overpowering stuff, yet put up 269 wins pitching for 9 different teams. Only someone who truly gets what pitching to contact means, instead of attempting to strike out every batter who comes to the plate ("Strikeouts are fascist!"---Crash Davis), understands the greatness of a pitcher like Moyer. Just like only someone who is a true oenophile appreciates the complex richness of petite syrah.

There are stories in baseball that are not told by stats alone, which makes it difficult for so many who may be able to talk a good game, but may not be able to see what has always been in front of them. This was a guy who was out of baseball by 1992, having pitched only 6 seasons at the major league level. But he later had 20 win seasons, made an AS team, and more---but he was never anyone that people paid money to see. Why? Because he wasn't cabernet sauvignon. You want steak, that's what you drink, and face it, most fans don't know anything about what to pair with polenta and sausage, or chile, or cassoulet---try the petite syrah, folks, because it pairs perfectly.

Moyer holds the record for the oldest pitcher to toss a shutout, which he did when he was 47, against the Braves.
 
"At the time of his final game, he was the oldest player in the major leagues and had the most wins, losses, and strikeouts of any active MLB pitcher."



 

He never threw hard, and he mixed his pitches: a sinker, a cut fastball, a slider, a changeup, and a curveball. That changeup averages in the 60's, and his fastball ran only around 82mph. "A player once described Moyer's repertoire as "throwing feathers'' while Colorado's Jason Giambi says, 'You don't think the ball can stay in the air that long.'''


"Moyer has received numerous awards for philanthropy and community service, including the 2003 Roberto Clemente Award, the 2003 Lou Gehrig Memorial Award, the 2003 Hutch Award, and the 2004 Branch Rickey Award. Moyer is one of only 29 players in baseball history to date to have appeared in MLB games in four decades. At the time of his retirement, Moyer had faced 8.9% of all MLB hitters ever."

You see, character counts. At least it is supposed to count, according to the Hall of Fame. "Rule 5, which says, 'voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character, and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played ("BBWAA Election Rules," n.d.)' turns out to be the most relevant topic to the thesis.

    'It was only when it was realized by the Cooperstown guardians that there was a great danger (Pete) Rose (Appendix A) might be elected to the Hall while banned from baseball that the rules were amended (in 1989) (Vass, 2008)” to include “Rule 3 (E). Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.'”

So, "character counts", when the writers, who by participating in this exercies are creating news, not reporting it, when one wishes to exclude Clemons, Bonds, Rose, etc...But will it count towards INCLUSION of someone like Moyer or Kaat(whose case is a total mystery, unlike Moyer's)? No. Will "Rule 5" be applied to Curt "Qanon is real, and where's the camera and microphone for my next xenophobic utterance" Schilling?




The one thing about the petite syrah comparison to Moyer that fails? It doesn't truly age so well. So, if you have it, drink it in---just like when you see a rare player over 4 different decades of MLB, drink it in.


As for Kaat. Well, I see no one here has put up a good argument to explain why a player like him is excluded from Cooperstown: 25 seasons, 283 wins, 3.45 ERA career, 4,530 IP, one season in which he one out shy of 305 IP, and 14 seasons with 200 IP, and 14 Gold gloves.

His reward from the voters for the Hall? He never received more than 27.3% of the vote.

Kaat is a GSM (Grenache, Syrah, and Mourvedre blend), a Rasteau GSM, at that, which pairs with so many delightful foods, and never disappoints.

Except for baseball writers, who drink Two Buck Chuck, it seems.




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 30, 2020, 12:19:01 PM
Jim Kaat was a pretty good pitcher, but not a great one, and IMO a borderline HoF guy. I could see him getting in eventually on the veteran's committee vote.

He was a better pitcher than Moyer. and a pretty good color guy.

I'd lean for Kaat for HoF, I'd definitely vote Moyer for Hall of Old.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 30, 2020, 12:34:18 PM
And when I think of baseball scribes drinking, the image that comes to mind is a dim-lit dive and with shots and beers. Not merlots, syrahs or cabs.

well maybe the one they are too drunk to hail after last call.

Hey Charlie, another round.

Wild Turkey pair well with a 3-2 extra inning nail-biter home town loss?

Or maybe a shot of Fireball, that SOB was bringing the heat tonight!

and Charlie pour one for yourself!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 30, 2020, 03:10:12 PM
And when I think of baseball scribes drinking, the image that comes to mind is a dim-lit dive and with shots and beers. Not merlots, syrahs or cabs.

well maybe the one they are too drunk to hail after last call.

Hey Charlie, another round.

Wild Turkey pair well with a 3-2 extra inning nail-biter home town loss?

Or maybe a shot of Fireball, that SOB was bringing the heat tonight!

and Charlie pour one for yourself!

EXACTLY!

 Most don't have the level of intelligence to see what real pitching is.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 30, 2020, 03:36:30 PM
Forgetting the HOF talk, for now.

If you're a GM, and you could sign either one of these guys (two began their MLB careers at age 20, one at 19), and you get them for their entire career, and you know the following , which one do you sign? What values to use to determine and or justify that signing?

PITCHER 1 SUMMARY
Career


219 W  100 L  ERA 2.93  476 G   409 STARTS   2827.1 IP 3154K and a WHIP 1.054


 

PITCHER 2 SUMMARY
Career


283 W    237L   ERA 3.45. 898G. 625 STARTS. 4530.1 IP   2461 K and a  WHIP 1.259
 

PITCHER 3
SUMMARY
Career

165 W 87L. ERA 2.76 in 397G with 314 STARTS. 2324.1 IP. 2396 K. WHIP 1.106
 






 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 30, 2020, 06:27:04 PM
probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 30, 2020, 06:40:41 PM
Yeah, give me those two. I can find a Jamie Moyer later.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 30, 2020, 06:54:40 PM
Yeah, give me those two. I can find a Jamie Moyer later.

If he's doesn't have NYE plans, he can proably give you a couple of innings tomorrow.

btw, the 3rd guy in Utleys FMK, was Kaat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 30, 2020, 10:45:47 PM
Need the era.

Pitcher 1 - on face.

For instance on Kaat - his ERA+ was just 1.08

(For the record, Moyer 1.03, one of the slight edges JK gets)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 31, 2020, 02:14:01 AM
#1.

I will have 216 fewer starts with him than with #2, but I am pretty sure I can get better pitching than a record of 64w to 137 losses!

And 60% of the innings, but 28% more strikeouts? Lower WHIP? Why is this a question?!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 06:57:19 AM
probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 06:58:36 AM
Yeah, give me those two. I can find a Jamie Moyer later.

If he's doesn't have NYE plans, he can proably give you a couple of innings tomorrow.

btw, the 3rd guy in Utleys FMK, was Kaat.

BTW, you're an asshole for not letting others decide to examine a query without you fucking up the intentional anonymity.

Douche.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 07:06:00 AM
Need the era.

Pitcher 1 - on face.

For instance on Kaat - his ERA+ was just 1.08

(For the record, Moyer 1.03, one of the slight edges JK gets)


Well, thanks to asswipe Banks, you know the eras.

I think I take the pitchers as they were ranked in the original question. I like value as a GM, and I get an innings eater for a long time with Pitcher 2 vs Pitcher 3. Pitcher 1 has enough longevity, and the best results over the first 18 years. I think Pitcher 3 is a horse that only gets you around the track a few times. Fast, but breaks down too soon.

Given the way pitchers are used today, however, who knows how these three pitchers would have turned out playing in today's game?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 09:04:03 AM
probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?

HEH

Did what?

forget what I knew?

I didn't need to look up stats.

When you mention Kaat a couple of days ago I looked at his stats, so the 3 pitchers you decided to comp were known.

Its not my fault you suck at presenting a persuasive argument.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 10:29:55 AM
probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?

HEH

Did what?

forget what I knew?

I didn't need to look up stats.

When you mention Kaat a couple of days ago I looked at his stats, so the 3 pitchers you decided to comp were known.

Its not my fault you suck at presenting a persuasive argument.



I didn't make an argument. I posed a question to the group.

Most would understand the difference between an argument and a question.

But you? Maybe not.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 11:28:15 AM
probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?

HEH

Did what?

forget what I knew?

I didn't need to look up stats.

When you mention Kaat a couple of days ago I looked at his stats, so the 3 pitchers you decided to comp were known.

Its not my fault you suck at presenting a persuasive argument.



I didn't make an argument. I posed a question to the group.

Most would understand the difference between an argument and a question.

But you? Maybe not.

And I answered your question

Pedro, Koufax and then Kaat.

Utley you've been making an argument for Moyer for years.

and have persuaded no one.

a few days ago you promoted his artistry and charitable works and outstanding character as reasons to promote his HoF candidacy.

It was not a very strong argument for his case.

And you comped him to Kaat.

Katt as posted was a far better pitcher and a case can be made for him in the HoF.

I took your 1,2,3 comp as a rhetorical device to further your beliefs.

An ulterior motive as it were.

Which is fine.

But I answered your question.

Kaat was a pretty good pitcher, maybe a HoF pitcer, but he was not remotely as talented as Pedro or Koufax. He's not in the same discussion as those guys.

YMMV

And fwiw, in a small community that is populated mostly by reasonably knowledgable baseball fans many of whom watched baseball in the 60s, those stats were suffficent to ID Pedro and Koufax, two of the greatest pitchers ever.

again, YMMV


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 11:53:44 AM
here's a game

who's the HoFer?

A- 229W-172 L 3.30 ERA    1.199 WHIP  2416 Ks

B- 254W-186L   3.90 ERA   1.296 WHIP  2478 Ks

C- 216W - 146L  3.46 ERA   1.137 WHIP  3116 Ks

D- 256- 153L     3.85 ERA    1.351 WHIP  2448 Ks

E 251W - 161L   3.74 ERA    1.259 WHIP  3093Ks


or rank these guys by your estimate of WAR
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2020, 12:23:50 PM
B, though E will be. He is still active, right?

Edit: no, he retired after this year, right? I expect C will make the HoF also although I would not vote.for him on account of his squeezing a packet of catsup on a sock and pretending it was blood.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 12:28:23 PM
Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2020, 12:35:05 PM
Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!
I edited because I realized who C was. I would have made.E C... C.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2020, 12:39:58 PM
Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!
I think 3000 k gets you in, unless you are either a PED user or a raging asshole. Like C.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 12:50:19 PM
3000Ks is a shit load, but Ks have gotten cheaper, a lot cheaper, over the past decade.

But the offset is starters are only going 6+ innings

I imagine Verlander and Scherzer are there or getting close

Maybe Bart Colon

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2020, 12:54:32 PM
As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2020, 12:55:11 PM
3000Ks is a shit load, but Ks have gotten cheaper, a lot cheaper, over the past decade.

But the offset is starters are only going 6+ innings

I imagine Verlander and Scherzer are there or getting close

Maybe Bart Colon
V got his 3000th last year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 01:03:18 PM
3000Ks is a shit load, but Ks have gotten cheaper, a lot cheaper, over the past decade.

But the offset is starters are only going 6+ innings

I imagine Verlander and Scherzer are there or getting close

Maybe Bart Colon
V got his 3000th last year.

didn't watch much of 2020*

Verlander is a HoF lock, again doesn't have the artistry of Moyer, but he's banging a large-brested model.

Kershaw must be getting close to 3,000 too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 01:05:41 PM
As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

That guy was an artist.

One of my favorite pitcher's ever.

IMO he's a HoF guy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2020, 03:03:36 PM
As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

That guy was an artist.

One of my favorite pitcher's ever.

IMO he's a HoF guy.
One of 7 pitchers in the 20/20 club. 20 wins and 20 losses in back to back years. Ah, life in the Land during the Curse.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 03:35:51 PM
As for the one I would most want, it would be the guy in the Hall. He was always a forget the E.R.A. stuff, watch him pitch guy.

Though  if I could have just one year of any of their careers, give me A in 1968.

That guy was an artist.

One of my favorite pitcher's ever.

IMO he's a HoF guy.
One of 7 pitchers in the 20/20 club. 20 wins and 20 losses in back to back years. Ah, life in the Land during the Curse.

Its possible if he had avoided injuries he would have stayed with the Indians, and put up indisputable Hof #s.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 04:42:18 PM
probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?

HEH

Did what?

forget what I knew?

I didn't need to look up stats.

When you mention Kaat a couple of days ago I looked at his stats, so the 3 pitchers you decided to comp were known.

Its not my fault you suck at presenting a persuasive argument.



I didn't make an argument. I posed a question to the group.

Most would understand the difference between an argument and a question.

But you? Maybe not.

And I answered your question

Pedro, Koufax and then Kaat.

Utley you've been making an argument for Moyer for years.

and have persuaded no one.

a few days ago you promoted his artistry and charitable works and outstanding character as reasons to promote his HoF candidacy.

It was not a very strong argument for his case.

And you comped him to Kaat.

Katt as posted was a far better pitcher and a case can be made for him in the HoF.

I took your 1,2,3 comp as a rhetorical device to further your beliefs.

An ulterior motive as it were.

Which is fine.

But I answered your question.

Kaat was a pretty good pitcher, maybe a HoF pitcer, but he was not remotely as talented as Pedro or Koufax. He's not in the same discussion as those guys.

YMMV

And fwiw, in a small community that is populated mostly by reasonably knowledgable baseball fans many of whom watched baseball in the 60s, those stats were suffficent to ID Pedro and Koufax, two of the greatest pitchers ever.

again, YMMV

Some people have to work at missing out what's in front of them. But you don't. You miss things pretty much all the time.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 04:49:10 PM
Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!
I think 3000 k gets you in, unless you are either a PED user or a raging asshole. Like C.

How about 4500 IP? Seems to me that should be a lock for the HOF. Sure, it doesn't have that joyous fascist ring to it that 3000 K's has as an individual accomplishment, but it sure means a helluvalot to the TEAM; preserving the pen, lengthening out the use of starting staff, adding value to the franchise, etc.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 05:00:01 PM
Which one is the Hall of Famer?

Player X  WAR 36.5 AB 7755 H2016. HR138  BA.260

R769. RBI 853  SB 27

OBP.299 SLG .367 OPS.667 OPS+ 84


OR...Player Y   WAR 68.2 AB 8058  H 2170  HR 126 BA.269

R 1338  RBI 885 SB 232 OBP .366 SLG .377 OPS .743 OPS+ 99


OR...Player Z.  WAR 55.4 AB 8498 H 2461 HR 377 BA .290

R 1320 RBI 1518 SB 94 OBP .356 SLG.500 OPS .855 OPS+123

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 05:02:55 PM
probably Pedro

then Koufax

Pedro because of his relative longevity and excellence

YMMV

See? You couldn't do it. You had to go look up WHO the stats were from. And not sure how "relative longevity" comes from Pedro?

HEH

Did what?

forget what I knew?

I didn't need to look up stats.

When you mention Kaat a couple of days ago I looked at his stats, so the 3 pitchers you decided to comp were known.

Its not my fault you suck at presenting a persuasive argument.



I didn't make an argument. I posed a question to the group.

Most would understand the difference between an argument and a question.

But you? Maybe not.

And I answered your question

Pedro, Koufax and then Kaat.

Utley you've been making an argument for Moyer for years.

and have persuaded no one.

a few days ago you promoted his artistry and charitable works and outstanding character as reasons to promote his HoF candidacy.

It was not a very strong argument for his case.

And you comped him to Kaat.

Katt as posted was a far better pitcher and a case can be made for him in the HoF.

I took your 1,2,3 comp as a rhetorical device to further your beliefs.

An ulterior motive as it were.

Which is fine.

But I answered your question.

Kaat was a pretty good pitcher, maybe a HoF pitcer, but he was not remotely as talented as Pedro or Koufax. He's not in the same discussion as those guys.

YMMV

And fwiw, in a small community that is populated mostly by reasonably knowledgable baseball fans many of whom watched baseball in the 60s, those stats were suffficent to ID Pedro and Koufax, two of the greatest pitchers ever.

again, YMMV

Some people have to work at missing out what's in front of them. But you don't. You miss things pretty much all the time.

SSDD

I filter out most of the idiocy and laugh at the rest.

I'm not sure what your problem is, I answered your hypothetical and then some.

As did others.

Perhaps as you have not persuaaded others to your point of view, you might consider the weaknesses of your postion and consider other more rational positions.

Just a suggestion.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 05:07:26 PM
Good work boz

there's a tell on that question.

and E probably will be, but lets make it clear he's no Jamie Moyer!
I think 3000 k gets you in, unless you are either a PED user or a raging asshole. Like C.

How about 4500 IP? Seems to me that should be a lock for the HOF. Sure, it doesn't have that joyous fascist ring to it that 3000 K's has as an individual accomplishment, but it sure means a helluvalot to the TEAM; preserving the pen, lengthening out the use of starting staff, adding value to the franchise, etc.

All worthwhile goals, but without excellence in performance, they are not really considerations for the HoF.

Maybe for the Hall of Innings Eaters or Hall of end of the bench long relievers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2020, 05:35:04 PM
Which one is the Hall of Famer?

Player X  WAR 36.5 AB 7755 H2016. HR138  BA.260

R769. RBI 853  SB 27

OBP.299 SLG .367 OPS.667 OPS+ 84


OR...Player Y   WAR 68.2 AB 8058  H 2170  HR 126 BA.269

R 1338  RBI 885 SB 232 OBP .366 SLG .377 OPS .743 OPS+ 99


OR...Player Z.  WAR 55.4 AB 8498 H 2461 HR 377 BA .290

R 1320 RBI 1518 SB 94 OBP .356 SLG.500 OPS .855 OPS+123
The one who hit the dramatic World Series Home Run!

The Hall is not exclusively an offensive award.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 31, 2020, 05:35:48 PM
Which one is the Hall of Famer?

Player X  WAR 36.5 AB 7755 H2016. HR138  BA.260

R769. RBI 853  SB 27

OBP.299 SLG .367 OPS.667 OPS+ 84


OR...Player Y   WAR 68.2 AB 8058  H 2170  HR 126 BA.269

R 1338  RBI 885 SB 232 OBP .366 SLG .377 OPS .743 OPS+ 99


OR...Player Z.  WAR 55.4 AB 8498 H 2461 HR 377 BA .290

R 1320 RBI 1518 SB 94 OBP .356 SLG.500 OPS .855 OPS+123
The one who hit the dramatic World Series Home Run!

The Hall is not exclusively an offensive award.

The way it is used can often be offensive.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 31, 2020, 06:33:40 PM
Which one is the Hall of Famer?

Player X  WAR 36.5 AB 7755 H2016. HR138  BA.260

R769. RBI 853  SB 27

OBP.299 SLG .367 OPS.667 OPS+ 84


OR...Player Y   WAR 68.2 AB 8058  H 2170  HR 126 BA.269

R 1338  RBI 885 SB 232 OBP .366 SLG .377 OPS .743 OPS+ 99


OR...Player Z.  WAR 55.4 AB 8498 H 2461 HR 377 BA .290

R 1320 RBI 1518 SB 94 OBP .356 SLG.500 OPS .855 OPS+123

I think hiding facts like Gold Gloves is insulting
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 06:47:17 PM
Which one is the Hall of Famer?

Player X  WAR 36.5 AB 7755 H2016. HR138  BA.260

R769. RBI 853  SB 27

OBP.299 SLG .367 OPS.667 OPS+ 84


OR...Player Y   WAR 68.2 AB 8058  H 2170  HR 126 BA.269

R 1338  RBI 885 SB 232 OBP .366 SLG .377 OPS .743 OPS+ 99


OR...Player Z.  WAR 55.4 AB 8498 H 2461 HR 377 BA .290

R 1320 RBI 1518 SB 94 OBP .356 SLG.500 OPS .855 OPS+123
The one who hit the dramatic World Series Home Run!

The Hall is not exclusively an offensive award.

Actually X and Y are both in the Hall, while Z likely won't get in because unlike X and Y he didn't kiss the writers' fat, freeloading asses.

The real problem with the HALL of BASEBALL WRITERS FUCKING THINGS UP is that there are no standards for selection. NONE.

There are guidelines, but no standards.



Kind of like the way Trump hands out pardons. You get a pardon, and you get a pardon, and not you. You get in the Hall, and you, but not you.

Consider how Clemens and Bonds still might get in, but Manny Ramirez basically has no shot.

It's the same thing.  The Hall of Bullshit.

And I am being kind.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 07:17:23 PM
Which one is the Hall of Famer?

Player X  WAR 36.5 AB 7755 H2016. HR138  BA.260

R769. RBI 853  SB 27

OBP.299 SLG .367 OPS.667 OPS+ 84


OR...Player Y   WAR 68.2 AB 8058  H 2170  HR 126 BA.269

R 1338  RBI 885 SB 232 OBP .366 SLG .377 OPS .743 OPS+ 99


OR...Player Z.  WAR 55.4 AB 8498 H 2461 HR 377 BA .290

R 1320 RBI 1518 SB 94 OBP .356 SLG.500 OPS .855 OPS+123
The one who hit the dramatic World Series Home Run!

The Hall is not exclusively an offensive award.

Actually X and Y are both in the Hall, while Z likely won't get in because unlike X and Y he didn't kiss the writers' fat, freeloading asses.

The real problem with the HALL of BASEBALL WRITERS FUCKING THINGS UP is that there are no standards for selection. NONE.

There are guidelines, but no standards.



Kind of like the way Trump hands out pardons. You get a pardon, and you get a pardon, and not you. You get in the Hall, and you, but not you.

Consider how Clemens and Bonds still might get in, but Manny Ramirez basically has no shot.

It's the same thing.  The Hall of Bullshit.

And I am being kind.

Its nothing like the way Trump hands out pardons. Nothing.

There are about 400 voters in the BBWAA, covering different teams, or baseball in general, bringing different perspectives to the process. AND HoF requirements say that HoF entry requires 75% of the voters agreeing.

Its an election requiring a super-super majority not the whims of an autocratic despot.

And I like that a light hitting shortstop who was a fielding wizard can be a serious candidate soley on the basis of his fielding. And if 75% agree that a light hitting shortstop was HoF worthy, that seems a far cry from an autcratic decree.

I like that we can overlay our observations and knowledge and put performance into context.

The writers are the most objective, least conflicted, and most diverse voting body and you've never nominated another better process than 400 independent voices voting.

You are not being kind.

Right now I am.



.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 31, 2020, 08:44:36 PM
Ozzie Smith was a solid offensive talent
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 31, 2020, 08:45:38 PM
The writers are the most objective, least conflicted, and most diverse voting body and you've never nominated another better process than 400 independent voices voting.

ASk Jim Rice about their "objective" nature and their "conflicted" nature and their "diverse voting body".

And I HAVE nominated a better process in the past, here, but I am not taking the time to go back and find it, since that was long ago and before this place had its technical revisions.

The FACT is that I nominated a process that clearly delineated a rubric for induction for each position on the field. If players knew exactly how to get in the Hall of Fame, it would be on them and their actual performance that got them in, not the same old bullshit that passes for "objectivity".

The comparison to Trump is that didn't use a legitimate process for his pardons, because they don't have a legitimate process for induction because they don't have any real standards for what makes a HOFer and what doesn't.

That's not debatable.

In the mean time...

I wish a happy new year to you and to yours, jackass.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 09:22:25 PM
The writers are the most objective, least conflicted, and most diverse voting body and you've never nominated another better process than 400 independent voices voting.

ASk Jim Rice about their "objective" nature and their "conflicted" nature and their "diverse voting body".

And I HAVE nominated a better process in the past, here, but I am not taking the time to go back and find it, since that was long ago and before this place had its technical revisions.

The FACT is that I nominated a process that clearly delineated a rubric for induction for each position on the field. If players knew exactly how to get in the Hall of Fame, it would be on them and their actual performance that got them in, not the same old bullshit that passes for "objectivity".

The comparison to Trump is that didn't use a legitimate process for his pardons, because they don't have a legitimate process for induction because they don't have any real standards for what makes a HOFer and what doesn't.

That's not debatable.

In the mean time...

I wish a happy new year to you and to yours, jackass.

There are 400 independent voters making their own independent assessments of Hall worthiness. There is no strict template. But we usually have a general agreement of who's Hall worthy. and we get disagreements on the border line guys. And positions shift over time.

That you state its illegitmate is worthless. The Hall is pretty representative of the best who played the game.

And Trump has used the same process all other presidents have used.

But he abused the process presumably for his own ends.

There is nothing to suggest there is a vast BBWAA conspiracy to rig the HoF elections.

The most recent outrage came when the vets comm of 16 led by Reinsdorf and LaRussa pushed Harold Baines into the Hall.

and most observers thought it was bullshit and that Baines wasn't a HoF guy.

He didn't get in on the writers vote, but rather on his former manager and the owner of the team he played for.

Reflected glory for them, conflicts of interest.


The fact you think its not debatable, as you lose the debate is pretty funny.

Its like kid stating "no" thinking its the definitive answer to anything, or Red posting "LOL" when he has no facts to support his baseless bullshit.

It's a childish response.

The writers can nominate 0, 1 or up to 10 (IIRC) every year.

They are the best combination of least conflicted, objective, most knowledgable, most diverse and independent body to seek a large consensus of who does or doesn't belong in the HoF. And every one of your suggestions, former players, managers, guys in the game, etc. were proven to more conflicted than the BBWAA. (your suggestion as I recall was pre-Baines and the outrage over the expllicit conflict of interest)

And HNY to you as well.

Btw, what standard are you relying upon to continually suggest a wholly mediocre pitcher like Jamie Moyer, who only received 2% of the required votes, is a HoF pitcher?

At best he is a somewhat unique example that would fall outside of a standard that you seem to demand of the process.

98% of the writers have voted he falls outside anything remotely close to a standard.

Do you understand the intellectual hole you fell into?

Probably not.

Happy New Year.

HEH
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 31, 2020, 09:37:31 PM
Ozzie Smith was a solid offensive talent

Ozzie's a HoFer. But if there's room in the Hall for Ozzie (.260 hitter, no power) there should be room for Omar V.

I think they are pretty comparable, but Ozzie had better marketing and a great flip.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 31, 2020, 09:39:16 PM
I think the writers are nothing like Trump.

And Trump did not use the same method every other president has used for a significant chunk of the already issued pardons and you know there are many more to come.

But I think the Hall entrance criteria could be significantly tightened. And yeah, writers have biases - they are human.

None of that makes Jamie Moyer HoF worthy, based on the standards of those already in and those largely out - if one wishes to admit another 20-30 pitchers who are more deserving, first, then sure, we can have that conversation.

I think Kaat's Gold Gloves work with his performance to put him in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 31, 2020, 09:57:36 PM
Besting Koufax in a World Series game qualifies as a bonus as well

Only made postseason 4 years - which might tell you that had he played for better teams Kaat may very well have won 300
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 01, 2021, 01:17:51 PM
You know banks has had his ass kicked when he posts 3500 off topic words laced with insults regarding posters who aren't even in the conversation.

Heh


The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 01, 2021, 01:26:29 PM

The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Which still doesn't obscure the fact that Jamie Moyer's record doesn't match up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 01, 2021, 01:54:09 PM
You know banks has had his ass kicked when he posts 3500 off topic words laced with insults regarding posters who aren't even in the conversation.

Heh


The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Utley the reason you have posted under a few hundred different names is that I've kicked your ass under each one and you needed a new one.

And I need new shoes that aren't covered in troll dung and vomit.

You're just butt sore you got bested again in the same debate you insist on losing.

And no shit there is no standard, its up to 400 voters to decide on an individual basis to detemine whether a player is HoF worthy.

what standard would be applicable for a mediocre pitcher like Moyer to qualify for a Hall that extols excellence in the profession?

And fwiw the 5 guys I listed (1 Hof, 1 likely) were all vastly superior pitchers to Moyer.

And I had high hopes for 2021

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 01, 2021, 02:37:43 PM
The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.


...and has never stated they did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 01, 2021, 04:17:00 PM

The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Which still doesn't obscure the fact that Jamie Moyer's record doesn't match up.

Don't let others confuse you. Of course, you can't match up to a standard-less arbitrary system.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 01, 2021, 04:18:52 PM
You know banks has had his ass kicked when he posts 3500 off topic words laced with insults regarding posters who aren't even in the conversation.

Heh


The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Utley the reason you have posted under a few hundred different names is that I've kicked your ass under each one and you needed a new one.

And I need new shoes that aren't covered in troll dung and vomit.

You're just butt sore you got bested again in the same debate you insist on losing.

And no shit there is no standard, its up to 400 voters to decide on an individual basis to detemine whether a player is HoF worthy.

what standard would be applicable for a mediocre pitcher like Moyer to qualify for a Hall that extols excellence in the profession?

And fwiw the 5 guys I listed (1 Hof, 1 likely) were all vastly superior pitchers to Moyer.

And I had high hopes for 2021

SSDD

thanks for proving my point. You could just admit when you're so confused. Who said that standards would put Moyer in?

Not me.

That's on you. Seeing things that aren't there. Do you hear voices, too?

Lots of counsel for that in your area, Rich.

Given that there are no standards, a case could be made for Moyer, as has been posted here already. Is it a solid case? Is it a convincing case? Well, at least as convincing as Bill Mazeroski had or Scooter Rizzuto because there are simply no standards.

After over a century of baseball, it seems hard to believe that there isn't enough statistical data to determine who qualifies as a HOFer at SS or 3B or P or C or 2B or...

But that's not how it's done. And there is no legitimate reason why it isn't done that way. Other than the fact that the writers couldn't "create the news", anymore.

They'd have to report it.

And what kind of sportswriting would that make?

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 01, 2021, 04:35:18 PM
You know banks has had his ass kicked when he posts 3500 off topic words laced with insults regarding posters who aren't even in the conversation.

Heh


The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Utley the reason you have posted under a few hundred different names is that I've kicked your ass under each one and you needed a new one.

And I need new shoes that aren't covered in troll dung and vomit.

You're just butt sore you got bested again in the same debate you insist on losing.

And no shit there is no standard, its up to 400 voters to decide on an individual basis to detemine whether a player is HoF worthy.

what standard would be applicable for a mediocre pitcher like Moyer to qualify for a Hall that extols excellence in the profession?

And fwiw the 5 guys I listed (1 Hof, 1 likely) were all vastly superior pitchers to Moyer.

And I had high hopes for 2021

SSDD

thanks for proving my point. You could just admit when you're so confused. Who said that standards would put Moyer in?

Not me.

That's on you. Seeing things that aren't there. Do you hear voices, too?

Lots of counsel for that in your area, Rich.

LMAO

the troll is trolling from both sides of his ass.

1) the troll wants a standard for entry to the exclusive HoF

but

2) the troll who desperately wants Moyer in the HoF can not articulate a standard which even the medicre Moyer can meet  (ie there is no standard)

the hypocrisy is so apparent except to iur inarticulate troll

when pressed the troll denies the false narrative that he has adopted

TFF

and when he gets spun like a top he complains about the BBWAA

all because....

we'll leave that for the troll and his therapist to work out


LMAO

troll you prove your idiocy and inability to articulate the simplest of ideas.

I warned you that you were falling into a bottomless pit of hypocrisy and stupidity.

and one of your own making.

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 01, 2021, 06:15:43 PM

The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Which still doesn't obscure the fact that Jamie Moyer's record doesn't match up.

Don't let others confuse you. Of course, you can't match up to a standard-less arbitrary system.

I responded on my own days ago with comparison stats that highlight that Moyer doesn't belong even in the somewhat but not totally arbitrary Hall.

And it's not totally arbitrary, even though you say it is.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 01, 2021, 07:25:58 PM
Given that there are no standards, a case could be made for Moyer, as has been posted here already. Is it a solid case? Is it a convincing case? Well, at least as convincing as Bill Mazeroski had or Scooter Rizzuto


Disagree
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 02, 2021, 12:33:02 PM
I see wankspot is still spinning away.

Behave as expected.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 02, 2021, 12:34:47 PM

The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Which still doesn't obscure the fact that Jamie Moyer's record doesn't match up.

Don't let others confuse you. Of course, you can't match up to a standard-less arbitrary system.

I responded on my own days ago with comparison stats that highlight that Moyer doesn't belong even in the somewhat but not totally arbitrary Hall.

And it's not totally arbitrary, even though you say it is.

By all means, post the standards used by the writers for HOF admission players.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 02, 2021, 04:30:32 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 02, 2021, 06:42:39 PM

The HOF simply has no true standards for admission; an irrefutable fact.

Which still doesn't obscure the fact that Jamie Moyer's record doesn't match up.

Don't let others confuse you. Of course, you can't match up to a standard-less arbitrary system.

If that were the case, then your argument is even more meritless than it was before.

By what you have said,
a) Using others' statistics to try to make a point is absurd on your part;
and
b) Moyer definitely does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and there is no effective argument available to you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 03, 2021, 12:18:47 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)

Those are not standards.  When I say standards, I am looking for an evaluation system that employs something similar to this:

Evaluation standards identify how the quality of an evaluation will be judged.  They can be used when planning an evaluation as well as for meta-evaluation (evaluating the evaluation).

Many organizations have guidelines which address issues of quality and ethics together.  For example, the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) Norms for Evaluation state that evaluation in UNDP should be:

Independent — Management must not impose restrictions on the scope, content, comments and recommendations of evaluation reports. Evaluators must be free of conflict of interest.

Intentional — The rationale for an evaluation and the decisions to be based on it should be clear from the outset.

Transparent — Meaningful consultation with stakeholders is essential for the credibility and utility of the evaluation.

Ethical — Evaluation should not reflect personal or sectoral interests. Evaluators must have professional integrity, respect the rights of institutions and individuals to provide information in confidence, and be sensitive to the beliefs and customs of local social and cultural environments.

Impartial — Removing bias and maximizing objectivity are critical for the credibility of the evaluation and its contribution to knowledge.
 


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 03, 2021, 02:16:57 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)

Those are not standards.  When I say standards, I am looking for an evaluation system that employs something similar to this:

Evaluation standards identify how the quality of an evaluation will be judged.  They can be used when planning an evaluation as well as for meta-evaluation (evaluating the evaluation).

Many organizations have guidelines which address issues of quality and ethics together.  For example, the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) Norms for Evaluation state that evaluation in UNDP should be:

Independent — Management must not impose restrictions on the scope, content, comments and recommendations of evaluation reports. Evaluators must be free of conflict of interest.

Intentional — The rationale for an evaluation and the decisions to be based on it should be clear from the outset.

Transparent — Meaningful consultation with stakeholders is essential for the credibility and utility of the evaluation.

Ethical — Evaluation should not reflect personal or sectoral interests. Evaluators must have professional integrity, respect the rights of institutions and individuals to provide information in confidence, and be sensitive to the beliefs and customs of local social and cultural environments.

Impartial — Removing bias and maximizing objectivity are critical for the credibility of the evaluation and its contribution to knowledge.
 

There is basically one standard- 10 years of MLB service.

The rest is left to the opinions of some 400 independent voters from all over the US and the world.

The BBWAA is likely the most knowledgable, impartial, conflict-free, diversifed body to make an assessment of HoF entry and it requires 75% agreement.

As discussed for years, they have carried out this task with a minimum of disagreement over selection for decades, and there are very few qualified candidates left out of the HoF.

However surprisingly those few cases seem all to have played for the Phillies.

heh

I'm sure the UN could do a nifty job pinch-hitting applying its boiler-plate for the demonstrated expertise of the BBWAA.

The prior points remain, you want a standard yet when pushed to provide something of value, you talk of Moyers "artistry" and compare him to a wine,

Those aren't standards.

The're more like whines, and the source is hardly rare.

And when you've stomped your sour grapes, to borrow from another sport, you punt.

heh

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 03, 2021, 03:05:48 PM
b) Moyer definitely does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and there is no effective argument available to you.


Saberhagen more deserving
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 03, 2021, 03:59:55 PM
b) Moyer definitely does not deserve to be in the Hall of Fame and there is no effective argument available to you.


Saberhagen more deserving

One of many.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 04:11:22 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)

Those are not standards.  When I say standards, I am looking for an evaluation system that employs something similar to this:

Evaluation standards identify how the quality of an evaluation will be judged.  They can be used when planning an evaluation as well as for meta-evaluation (evaluating the evaluation).

Many organizations have guidelines which address issues of quality and ethics together.  For example, the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) Norms for Evaluation state that evaluation in UNDP should be:

Independent — Management must not impose restrictions on the scope, content, comments and recommendations of evaluation reports. Evaluators must be free of conflict of interest.

Intentional — The rationale for an evaluation and the decisions to be based on it should be clear from the outset.

Transparent — Meaningful consultation with stakeholders is essential for the credibility and utility of the evaluation.

Ethical — Evaluation should not reflect personal or sectoral interests. Evaluators must have professional integrity, respect the rights of institutions and individuals to provide information in confidence, and be sensitive to the beliefs and customs of local social and cultural environments.

Impartial — Removing bias and maximizing objectivity are critical for the credibility of the evaluation and its contribution to knowledge.
 

There is basically one standard- 10 years of MLB service.

 

 

 

 

And then nothing else which is what I've said all along and for years.

It is a system that is arbitrary in nature, and will remain so, until someone decides that journalists should report instead of creating news.

Same with who makes an All-star, and why, and who gets the Cy Young, etc, etc...

While I understand you may like the current system, it is a system that is and has been corrupted by the lack of firm standards for admission since its inception.

And you can talk all day about all that other shit you keep throwing up about Moyer, but it's just you trying to escape the topic at hand, or you not having the ability to read and comprehend what's been clearly written.

 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 04:58:07 PM
Surprised Josh missed this one: https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/us/red-sox-bianca-smith-black-female-coach-trnd/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/us/red-sox-bianca-smith-black-female-coach-trnd/index.html)

The Boston Red Sox just hired Bianca Smith -- the first Black woman to coach in professional baseball history

Smith will serve as a minor league coach within the organization, based at the club's player development facility in Fort Myers, Florida, and will work mainly with position players, according to MLB.com...

...Smith was an assistant baseball coach and hitting coordinator at Carroll University, a private liberal arts college in Waukesha, Wisconsin.


From D3 BB to the pros.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2021, 05:20:03 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)

Those are not standards.  When I say standards, I am looking for an evaluation system that employs something similar to this:

Evaluation standards identify how the quality of an evaluation will be judged.  They can be used when planning an evaluation as well as for meta-evaluation (evaluating the evaluation).

Many organizations have guidelines which address issues of quality and ethics together.  For example, the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) Norms for Evaluation state that evaluation in UNDP should be:

Independent — Management must not impose restrictions on the scope, content, comments and recommendations of evaluation reports. Evaluators must be free of conflict of interest.

Intentional — The rationale for an evaluation and the decisions to be based on it should be clear from the outset.

Transparent — Meaningful consultation with stakeholders is essential for the credibility and utility of the evaluation.

Ethical — Evaluation should not reflect personal or sectoral interests. Evaluators must have professional integrity, respect the rights of institutions and individuals to provide information in confidence, and be sensitive to the beliefs and customs of local social and cultural environments.

Impartial — Removing bias and maximizing objectivity are critical for the credibility of the evaluation and its contribution to knowledge.
 

There is basically one standard- 10 years of MLB service.

 

 

 

 

And then nothing else which is what I've said all along and for years.

It is a system that is arbitrary in nature, and will remain so, until someone decides that journalists should report instead of creating news.

Same with who makes an All-star, and why, and who gets the Cy Young, etc, etc...

While I understand you may like the current system, it is a system that is and has been corrupted by the lack of firm standards for admission since its inception.

And you can talk all day about all that other shit you keep throwing up about Moyer, but it's just you trying to escape the topic at hand, or you not having the ability to read and comprehend what's been clearly written.

Like Moyer more cheap whines from the troll.

Troll-I've no idea why you insist on trying to debate and lose this topic over and over when you have never provided any alternatives that is better than the current BBWAA proccess.  And when you have provided an alternative (former MLB players, managers, coaches, front office etc) it has been shown to be far more conflicted than the 400 independent BBWAA process.

Has it dawned on you that on a forum with long-term baseball fans you never swayed an opinion to whatever it is that you think you are championing.

I can only surmise you are deeply disappointed that you feel some of your favorite Phillies have some how been cheated by the current system.

Again I am not sure why you do not trust the independent judgement of a diverse body of writers with a minimum of 10 years experience judging the relative merits of players. 

Though I imagine it would take some thought, insight, analysis, number crunching, and creativity, none of which are your long suits.

But you do have an endless supply of whine.

SSDD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 05:26:09 PM
I've no idea

Yes, Muddled One, you have no idea. Because you still can't grasp the simple, it's not likely you'll ever grasp the more complex.

I can only surmise.

Yes, because you've shown you can't read, especially when you compound your incomprehension by writing you have never provided any alternatives that is better...

Get help.

Without standards, as has been proven, the HOF is merely an arbitrary process. So-called journalists are "creating news", not reporting it.

When you can actually comprehend the truth, you might be able to form an opinion worth anyone's time.

Bye, dope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2021, 05:39:40 PM
I've no idea

Yes, Muddled One, you have no idea. Because you still can't grasp the simple, it's not likely you'll ever grasp the more complex.

I can only surmise.

Yes, because you've shown you can't read, especially when you compound your incomprehension by writing you have never provided any alternatives that is better...

Get help.

Without standards, as has been proven, the HOF is merely an arbitrary process. So-called journalists are "creating news", not reporting it.

When you can actually comprehend the truth, you might be able to form an opinion worth anyone's time.

Bye, dope.
LMAO

the poor troll can't articulate whatever it is he thinks he promoting.

so he runs away.

SSDD

and I need another pair of shoes

LMAO
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 05:48:22 PM
Jay Jaffe explained in his book how the HOF not only has had no real standards for admission, but how its inconsistincies have screwed worthy players of admission in a timely manner.

Here's a good piece that illustrates EXACTLY the many problems that have plagued the HOF, and still do.

Jaffe, however, does create a solution that demonstrates a move towards actual objective standards for admission---such as I have suggested for years:

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/07/25/hall-fame-cooperstown-casebook-ron-santo (https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/07/25/hall-fame-cooperstown-casebook-ron-santo)

Someone read it to banks and explain it to him, as it's well beyond his ken.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2021, 06:02:43 PM
LMAO

the stupid troll doesn't understand the point of the Santo piece.

If he read it he would have discovered there was no "standard" (and by extension in a sport where there are so many stats that a "standard" is all but impossible-but ithat blinding glimpse of the obvious escapes the clueless troll) or that stats can change with changes in the game, he has a hard time understanding judgement and the ability to understand the #s and having an ability to weigh the stats objectively is critical in deciding HoF worthiness.


the poor stupid troll labors so hard to yield so little.

and another pair of shoes may be required!

LMAO
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 05, 2021, 06:31:56 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)

Those are not standards.  When I say standards, I am looking for an evaluation system that employs something similar to this:

Evaluation standards identify how the quality of an evaluation will be judged.  They can be used when planning an evaluation as well as for meta-evaluation (evaluating the evaluation).

Many organizations have guidelines which address issues of quality and ethics together.  For example, the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) Norms for Evaluation state that evaluation in UNDP should be:

Independent — Management must not impose restrictions on the scope, content, comments and recommendations of evaluation reports. Evaluators must be free of conflict of interest.

Intentional — The rationale for an evaluation and the decisions to be based on it should be clear from the outset.

Transparent — Meaningful consultation with stakeholders is essential for the credibility and utility of the evaluation.

Ethical — Evaluation should not reflect personal or sectoral interests. Evaluators must have professional integrity, respect the rights of institutions and individuals to provide information in confidence, and be sensitive to the beliefs and customs of local social and cultural environments.

Impartial — Removing bias and maximizing objectivity are critical for the credibility of the evaluation and its contribution to knowledge.
 

There is basically one standard- 10 years of MLB service.

 

 

 

 

And then nothing else which is what I've said all along and for years.

It is a system that is arbitrary in nature, and will remain so, until someone decides that journalists should report instead of creating news.

Same with who makes an All-star, and why, and who gets the Cy Young, etc, etc...

While I understand you may like the current system, it is a system that is and has been corrupted by the lack of firm standards for admission since its inception.

And you can talk all day about all that other shit you keep throwing up about Moyer, but it's just you trying to escape the topic at hand, or you not having the ability to read and comprehend what's been clearly written.

List for us the "standards" you would see enacted that would put Moyer even on the CUSP of Hall induction.

Thanks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 06:36:32 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)

Those are not standards.  When I say standards, I am looking for an evaluation system that employs something similar to this:

Evaluation standards identify how the quality of an evaluation will be judged.  They can be used when planning an evaluation as well as for meta-evaluation (evaluating the evaluation).

Many organizations have guidelines which address issues of quality and ethics together.  For example, the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) Norms for Evaluation state that evaluation in UNDP should be:

Independent — Management must not impose restrictions on the scope, content, comments and recommendations of evaluation reports. Evaluators must be free of conflict of interest.

Intentional — The rationale for an evaluation and the decisions to be based on it should be clear from the outset.

Transparent — Meaningful consultation with stakeholders is essential for the credibility and utility of the evaluation.

Ethical — Evaluation should not reflect personal or sectoral interests. Evaluators must have professional integrity, respect the rights of institutions and individuals to provide information in confidence, and be sensitive to the beliefs and customs of local social and cultural environments.

Impartial — Removing bias and maximizing objectivity are critical for the credibility of the evaluation and its contribution to knowledge.
 

There is basically one standard- 10 years of MLB service.

 

 

 

 

And then nothing else which is what I've said all along and for years.

It is a system that is arbitrary in nature, and will remain so, until someone decides that journalists should report instead of creating news.

Same with who makes an All-star, and why, and who gets the Cy Young, etc, etc...

While I understand you may like the current system, it is a system that is and has been corrupted by the lack of firm standards for admission since its inception.

And you can talk all day about all that other shit you keep throwing up about Moyer, but it's just you trying to escape the topic at hand, or you not having the ability to read and comprehend what's been clearly written.

List for us the "standards" you would see enacted that would put Moyer even on the CUSP of Hall induction.

Thanks

I know you've been duped by the smokescreen of a blithering banks, but I did not make the argument that there was a standard for his admission.

The one standard the HOF has.. of playing 10 years in MLB, though, he's met 2.5 times.


WHAT standards would you like to see for third base? SS? 1B? etc...

That's the essential question being ignored by the ignorant bankshithead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 05, 2021, 06:48:58 PM
I sort of like it the way it is

There ARE standards - but they can disappear as the game changes (see 400 HR mark)

3000 hits, 300 wins seemingly still stand

And some others are at the ready to debate

Debate is good.  Generates something we call INTEREST.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2021, 07:00:16 PM
The standard

2. Electors: Only active and honorary members of the Baseball Writers' Association of America, who have been active baseball writers for at least ten (10) years, shall be eligible to vote. They must have been active as baseball writers and members of the Association for a period beginning at least ten (10) years prior to the date of election in which they are voting.


3. Eligible Candidates -- Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:

A. A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning fifteen (15) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.

B. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3(A).

C. Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.

D. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.

E. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.

4. Method of Election:

A. BBWAA Screening Committee -- A Screening Committee consisting of baseball writers will be appointed by the BBWAA. This Screening Committee shall consist of six members, with two members to be elected at each Annual Meeting for a three-year term. The duty of the Screening Committee shall be to prepare a ballot listing in alphabetical order eligible candidates who (1) received a vote on a minimum of five percent (5%) of the ballots cast in the preceding election or (2) are eligible for the first time and are nominated by any two of the six members of the BBWAA Screening Committee.

B. An elector will vote for no more than ten (10) eligible candidates deemed worthy of election. Write-in votes are not permitted.

C. Any candidate receiving votes on seventy-five percent (75%) of the ballots cast shall be elected to membership in the National Baseball Hall of Fame.


https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-famers/rules/bbwaa-rules-for-election)

Those are not standards.  When I say standards, I am looking for an evaluation system that employs something similar to this:

Evaluation standards identify how the quality of an evaluation will be judged.  They can be used when planning an evaluation as well as for meta-evaluation (evaluating the evaluation).

Many organizations have guidelines which address issues of quality and ethics together.  For example, the UNDP (United Nations Development Programme) Norms for Evaluation state that evaluation in UNDP should be:

Independent — Management must not impose restrictions on the scope, content, comments and recommendations of evaluation reports. Evaluators must be free of conflict of interest.

Intentional — The rationale for an evaluation and the decisions to be based on it should be clear from the outset.

Transparent — Meaningful consultation with stakeholders is essential for the credibility and utility of the evaluation.

Ethical — Evaluation should not reflect personal or sectoral interests. Evaluators must have professional integrity, respect the rights of institutions and individuals to provide information in confidence, and be sensitive to the beliefs and customs of local social and cultural environments.

Impartial — Removing bias and maximizing objectivity are critical for the credibility of the evaluation and its contribution to knowledge.
 

There is basically one standard- 10 years of MLB service.

 

 

 

 

And then nothing else which is what I've said all along and for years.

It is a system that is arbitrary in nature, and will remain so, until someone decides that journalists should report instead of creating news.

Same with who makes an All-star, and why, and who gets the Cy Young, etc, etc...

While I understand you may like the current system, it is a system that is and has been corrupted by the lack of firm standards for admission since its inception.

And you can talk all day about all that other shit you keep throwing up about Moyer, but it's just you trying to escape the topic at hand, or you not having the ability to read and comprehend what's been clearly written.

List for us the "standards" you would see enacted that would put Moyer even on the CUSP of Hall induction.

Thanks

I know you've been duped by the smokescreen of a blithering banks, but I did not make the argument that there was a standard for his admission.

The one standard the HOF has.. of playing 10 years in MLB, though, he's met 2.5 times.


WHAT standards would you like to see for third base? SS? 1B? etc...

That's the essential question being ignored by the ignorant bankshithead.

LMAO

the troll now lies.

I'm content with no standard.

I'm not ignoring it, I'm saying it is wholy irrelevant.

But you would have to be a baseball fan to understand that one size does not fit all.

Its a nuanced game.

I'm content with 400 independent voters assessing a players career and weighing the stats and using their observations and put it all into context to come up with an objective judgement re the HoF.

AND SECONDLY HE CHANGES THE SUBJECT-HE WANTS A STANDARD-HE'S IGNORING HIS OWN ARGUMENT

Anytime the troll wants to put forth a "one size" standard I'd be be happy to consider it.

But in years he's done more whining than articulating.

The last standard we heard from him was Moyer's "artistry" and his likeness to under-appreciated wine.

thats a helluva standard for anyone to apply to HoF voting.

it was idiotic.

LMAO
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 07:17:18 PM
As I stated before, kid, I think there are now enough in the HOF to be able to demonstrate a clear standard at each position.

Jagged touched on this with his writing.

Do we know what a HOF OF looks like by now?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 05, 2021, 07:19:47 PM
And yet with all the players in the HoF the troll still can't articulate anything that resembles a standard.

LMAO

more shoes!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 05, 2021, 07:23:13 PM
Unless you're going to do an entirely statistical evaluation, I think the HOF "standard" for a guy is sustained excellence over a longer time and/or true greatness over a shorter time.  I don't think there is any way that Moyer meets this "standard" but I'm fine with HOF electors defining the terms of "sustained excellence" or "true greatness'".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 05, 2021, 07:57:45 PM

List for us the "standards" you would see enacted that would put Moyer even on the CUSP of Hall induction.

Thanks

I know you've been duped by the smokescreen of a blithering banks, but I did not make the argument that there was a standard for his admission.
...

WHAT standards would you like to see for third base? SS? 1B? etc...

That's the essential question being ignored by the ignorant bankshithead.

And by you, as far as I can tell. You were asked a direct question.

You could have made it an answer to what standards you would like to see for pitcher, regardless of Moyer, but you chose not to.

You could have answered the question you asked, about standards for the position players. You chose not to.

I will take a pass at it at some point, perhaps, but since you are the one who is complaining about them and who keeps insisting that Moyer belongs, it would have seemed like the sort of thing you would answer, not just ask.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 08:36:07 PM
Unless you're going to do an entirely statistical evaluation[/b]...

And we can. There are enough guys in the HOF at each position to do so.

Take these stats from HOF 2b-men:

https://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofst2b.shtml (https://www.baseball-almanac.com/hof/hofst2b.shtml)

Could we not just take that list and create a set of standards for admission to the Hall, today?

I think so.

Without too much analysis of that stat set, it seems that a player with 2200 hits, .280 BA, .425 SLUG, and 1300 R ought to get him in, assuming he played defense better than Steve Sax. Add points for ASG appearances, Silver Slugger awards and at least one MVP top 5 (albeit these are subjective awards) and I think he should be pretty much a lock. You can add in whatever other meaningful stats should be considered, and maybe bonus points for every season played beyond 10, or beyond 1600 Career games, or seasons leading the league at his position in any stat category. If he played at more than one position, go with his dominant position, but then also consider other players who are in the Hall who played more than one position (who are also not named Babe Ruth?).

I'm just going with a small example to make a point. And to be clear the point is not about this player. It's about considering the fact that we have enough players at each position who already in the HOF to determine who should be put into it, now.

Take this guy who played 17 years in the bigs, primarily at second, but also at first and third.

He had 2461 H, .290 BA, .500 SLUG, 1320 R, one MVP season, and 5 times All-star, 4 Silver Sluggers.


He's not in, but he has been on the Hall of Fame ballot for the BBWAA since 2014 and has yet to get even as much as 28% of the vote.

But, if you look at the stats of who is in, he's pretty much right in the thick of that bunch. Add in that he holds the career record for homers by a second baseman (FTR, every player who has led his position in career home runs is in the Hall of Fame), and it seems more than a little odd that this guy is getting only 28% voter support.   

But why does he need that support? Why does he have to appeal to a group of writers?

Why doesn't his record speak for itself, given the collective records of the current HOFer second basemen?

That's the problem, especially now. It's just an arcane and outdated way of putting players in the HOF.










 



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 05, 2021, 08:53:22 PM
WAR7

Jeff Kent - 35.8

Robbie Alomar - 43.3
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 05, 2021, 09:01:07 PM
Is D J LeMehui on the HOF track right now, in your opinion?

(.300 5 times, 2 batting titles, WAR 7 is sub 24 - but sure to improve - will be 32 this year)
edit - add 3 GG and 2 top 10 MVP

He's a guy who could regress late in career but hang on for those 2200, 1300 numbers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 09:26:51 PM

List for us the "standards" you would see enacted that would put Moyer even on the CUSP of Hall induction.

Thanks

I know you've been duped by the smokescreen of a blithering banks, but I did not make the argument that there was a standard for his admission.
...

WHAT standards would you like to see for third base? SS? 1B? etc...

That's the essential question being ignored by the ignorant bankshithead.

And by you, as far as I can tell. You were asked a direct question.

You could have made it an answer to what standards you would like to see for pitcher, regardless of Moyer, but you chose not to.

You could have answered the question you asked, about standards for the position players. You chose not to.

I will take a pass at it at some point, perhaps, but since you are the one who is complaining about them and who keeps insisting that Moyer belongs, it would have seemed like the sort of thing you would answer, not just ask.

I see you are still confused. And also, you are guilty of being unable to see through the smoke.

See my latest post to clarify that my problem is about the HOF process of selection---not Jamie Moyer. Jamie Moyer fits the HOF under its current "rules" and "Standards"---as arbitrary as they are.

Using the current HOF "standards", I'd make the case for Moyer as being a modern day Cal Ripken of pitchers. His durability and his pitching in 4 different decades are bonuses, but also, when you look at who is in, we can find places stat wise where he belongs in that group.

Look at all the pitchers in the HOF. There are 81 of them.

Only 29 have more Ws than Moyer (269). Only 30 have more IP (4231), Moyer has a better WAR than 23 of these pitchers, including Jack Morris, Catfish Hunter, Hoyt Wilhelm, and Dizzy Dean. Only 13 of those 81 HOF pitchers have started more games than Moyer (638). Only 19 have pitched in more games than Moyer. 28 of those pitchers have a worse Winning percentage than Moyer. Yes, he would have the worst ERA of any of them. Jack Morris has the worst with 3.90. and Moyer's career is 4.25, but there are 23 pitchers in this group who gave up more hits than Moyer (Tom Glavine, Robin Roberts, Bert Blyleven, Greg Maddux, Warren Spahn). 13 of them gave up more runs than Moyer (Don Sutton, Phil Neikro, Gaylord Perry, Steve Carlton). He's 38th in Batters Faced, and he had only 8 more ER than Don Sutton, who pitched 2 less seasons than Moyer.

Going with Jaffe's JAWS method, which is closest to looking at the who is in and who ain't stat analysis, he's not a HOFer.

Going by the current "methodology" of the BBWAA, he's vote-worthy, and a solid case can be made that he belongs.

I hope this answers your question and allows you and others to focus on the real topic at hand, which is NOT Jamie Moyer.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 05, 2021, 09:27:38 PM
Is D J LeMehui on the HOF track right now, in your opinion?

(.300 5 times, 2 batting titles, WAR 7 is sub 24 - but sure to improve - will be 32 this year)
edit - add 3 GG and 2 top 10 MVP

He's a guy who could regress late in career but hang on for those 2200, 1300 numbers

Only time will tell. Does Kirby Puckett get in without his tragedy?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 05, 2021, 10:15:19 PM

See my latest post to clarify that my problem is about the HOF process of selection

I like your latest (before this) post.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 05, 2021, 10:40:54 PM
Is D J LeMehui on the HOF track right now, in your opinion?

(.300 5 times, 2 batting titles, WAR 7 is sub 24 - but sure to improve - will be 32 this year)
edit - add 3 GG and 2 top 10 MVP

He's a guy who could regress late in career but hang on for those 2200, 1300 numbers

Only time will tell. Does Kirby Puckett get in without his tragedy?

No doubt
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2021, 01:00:10 PM
https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1347234421229969409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1347234421229969409%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url= (https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1347234421229969409?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1347234421229969409%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=)

According to Passan

The Francisco Lindor-to-the-Mets trade is being finalized, sources tell ESPN. This is going to happen. The first mega-move of the Steve Cohen era gives the team its new face.

Passan followed with

So far what we know of the New York-Cleveland blockbuster:

Mets get: SS Francisco Lindor and RHP Carlos Carrasco (as @Feinsand reported)

Cleveland gets: SS Andres Gimenez, RHP Josh Wolf, OF Isaiah Greene


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 07, 2021, 01:39:25 PM
Yeah

Big news

Indians add Andres Jiminez!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 07, 2021, 04:22:14 PM
I understand the key to the trade was Amex Rosario.  Big things expected.

If you do not love watching Frankie play you do not love baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2021, 04:51:56 PM
I understand the key to the trade was Amex Rosario.  Big things expected.

If you do not love watching Frankie play you do not love baseball.


Exactly.

The guy has fun playing ball and plays it so well.

He's fun to watch and has been a favorite of mine for years.

its the way I felt about Mookie, a real nice combo of excellence and enthusiasm for the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 07, 2021, 06:19:16 PM
If the BBWAA takes seriously is character clause for admission to the HOF, this should disqualify this candidate:

In two weeks, three-time World Series champion Curt Schilling will find out if he will be inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. For his sake, it’s a good thing the ballots had to be submitted by the end of 2020.

Following Wednesday’s riot at the U.S. Capitol Building, Schilling tweeted his support for those who participated in the insurrection.

“You cowards sat on your hands, did nothing while liberal trash looted rioted and burned for air Jordan’s and big screens, sit back, stfu, and watch folks start a confrontation for shit that matters like rights, democracy and the end of govt corruption. #itshappening”

Schilling sent out the tweet at 11:52 p.m., hours after the Trump supporters were cleared from the Capitol and Congress resumed the certification of the Electoral College votes. (By the way, did anyone see Schilling’s new handle on his verified Twitter account? “President Elect Curt Schilling.”


https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html)

A total fucking asshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 07, 2021, 07:01:13 PM
I think it funny that a Jersey paper, with a lot of of NY and Philly readers ID Schlling as "Ex-Red Sox Ace".

He was, but for less than half the 9 years he spent with the Phillies.

I feel unconfortable using politics as a screen for the HoF, but Schilling's far-right nuttiness and overt racism, might be a good exception.

I'd pass on him.

Clearly he was no Cal Ripken!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 07, 2021, 08:52:36 PM
I understand the key to the trade was Ame(d) Rosario.  Big things expected.

If you do not love watching Frankie play you do not love baseball.

Well, of course

Getting the real SS back was almost a necessity

Thay they also got a starting 2B?  Jackpot.

Good trade both ways

WOLF has a chance to be a righthanded Jamie Moyer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 07, 2021, 08:54:41 PM
Not getting NIMMO is probably the mistake of it all for CLE

I was thrilled when I saw he wasnt in the package
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 08, 2021, 11:39:56 AM
If the BBWAA takes seriously is character clause for admission to the HOF, this should disqualify this candidate:

In two weeks, three-time World Series champion Curt Schilling will find out if he will be inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. For his sake, it’s a good thing the ballots had to be submitted by the end of 2020.

Following Wednesday’s riot at the U.S. Capitol Building, Schilling tweeted his support for those who participated in the insurrection.

“You cowards sat on your hands, did nothing while liberal trash looted rioted and burned for air Jordan’s and big screens, sit back, stfu, and watch folks start a confrontation for shit that matters like rights, democracy and the end of govt corruption. #itshappening”

Schilling sent out the tweet at 11:52 p.m., hours after the Trump supporters were cleared from the Capitol and Congress resumed the certification of the Electoral College votes. (By the way, did anyone see Schilling’s new handle on his verified Twitter account? “President Elect Curt Schilling.”


https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html)

A total fucking asshole.
Which part of his tweet do you think was more offensive: that protests against police violence and the extra judiciary killing of African Americans was not about shit that mattered, or white people storming the Capitol to try to overturn a fair election and subvert the democratic process was?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 08, 2021, 12:36:17 PM
RIP Tommy Lasorda.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 08, 2021, 12:46:18 PM
RIP Tommy Lasorda.

Just came to post that.

He, along with Scully, was the face of the Dodgers for decades.

And we went out with his beloved Dodgers winning the World Series.

RIP Tommy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 08, 2021, 02:06:15 PM
RIP Tommy Lasorda.

Just came to post that.

He, along with Scully, was the face of the Dodgers for decades.

And we went out with his beloved Dodgers winning the World Series.

RIP Tommy

Yes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 08, 2021, 04:04:01 PM
If the BBWAA takes seriously is character clause for admission to the HOF, this should disqualify this candidate:

In two weeks, three-time World Series champion Curt Schilling will find out if he will be inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. For his sake, it’s a good thing the ballots had to be submitted by the end of 2020.

Following Wednesday’s riot at the U.S. Capitol Building, Schilling tweeted his support for those who participated in the insurrection.

“You cowards sat on your hands, did nothing while liberal trash looted rioted and burned for air Jordan’s and big screens, sit back, stfu, and watch folks start a confrontation for shit that matters like rights, democracy and the end of govt corruption. #itshappening”

Schilling sent out the tweet at 11:52 p.m., hours after the Trump supporters were cleared from the Capitol and Congress resumed the certification of the Electoral College votes. (By the way, did anyone see Schilling’s new handle on his verified Twitter account? “President Elect Curt Schilling.”


https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html)

A total fucking asshole.
Which part of his tweet do you think was more offensive: that protests against police violence and the extra judiciary killing of African Americans was not about shit that mattered, or white people storming the Capitol to try to overturn a fair election and subvert the democratic process was?

Which is worse? Beating your wife or starving your children?

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 08, 2021, 04:04:39 PM
RIP Tommy Lasorda.

Just came to post that.

He, along with Scully, was the face of the Dodgers for decades.

And we went out with his beloved Dodgers winning the World Series.

RIP Tommy

Fuck him. Mobbed up asshole, and a fucking schill.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 08, 2021, 04:57:15 PM
Ban Cole, and other cheaters?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/fired-angels-employee-says-gerrit-cole-justin-verlander-and-others-used-his-illegal-pitching-substance-193107171.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/fired-angels-employee-says-gerrit-cole-justin-verlander-and-others-used-his-illegal-pitching-substance-193107171.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 08, 2021, 06:47:47 PM
If the BBWAA takes seriously is character clause for admission to the HOF, this should disqualify this candidate:

In two weeks, three-time World Series champion Curt Schilling will find out if he will be inducted into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. For his sake, it’s a good thing the ballots had to be submitted by the end of 2020.

Following Wednesday’s riot at the U.S. Capitol Building, Schilling tweeted his support for those who participated in the insurrection.

“You cowards sat on your hands, did nothing while liberal trash looted rioted and burned for air Jordan’s and big screens, sit back, stfu, and watch folks start a confrontation for shit that matters like rights, democracy and the end of govt corruption. #itshappening”

Schilling sent out the tweet at 11:52 p.m., hours after the Trump supporters were cleared from the Capitol and Congress resumed the certification of the Electoral College votes. (By the way, did anyone see Schilling’s new handle on his verified Twitter account? “President Elect Curt Schilling.”


https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/01/ex-red-sox-ace-curt-schilling-defends-trump-supporters-who-trashed-us-capitol.html)

A total fucking asshole.
Which part of his tweet do you think was more offensive: that protests against police violence and the extra judiciary killing of African Americans was not about shit that mattered, or white people storming the Capitol to try to overturn a fair election and subvert the democratic process was?

Which is worse? Beating your wife or starving your children?
Beating your wife and feeding her to your starving kids?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 08, 2021, 10:11:36 PM
Ban Cole, and other cheaters?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/fired-angels-employee-says-gerrit-cole-justin-verlander-and-others-used-his-illegal-pitching-substance-193107171.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/fired-angels-employee-says-gerrit-cole-justin-verlander-and-others-used-his-illegal-pitching-substance-193107171.html)

Follow the guidelines, which are more specific than the HoF's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 10, 2021, 11:50:13 AM
Bats take Schwarber: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30679546/kyle-schwarber-signs-one-year-10-million-deal-washington-nationals-source-says (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30679546/kyle-schwarber-signs-one-year-10-million-deal-washington-nationals-source-says)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 11, 2021, 08:35:32 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-commish-rob-manfred-tells-012005326.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-commish-rob-manfred-tells-012005326.html)

Get ready to play 162.

No real plans on how it will look, but get ready.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 11, 2021, 11:08:38 PM
Yankguy doesnt think there will be a season
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 13, 2021, 05:24:10 PM
Holding up the cash: https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-suspends-political-donations-following-trump-mobs-siege-of-us-capitol/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-suspends-political-donations-following-trump-mobs-siege-of-us-capitol/)

Major League Baseball is the latest entity to suspend political contributions in the wake of last week's deadly invasion of the U.S. Capitol by insurgents loyal to President Donald Trump, reports the Associated Press. MLB is suspending political contributions from the league's Political Action Committee.

The league released the following statement to the Associated Press on Wednesday:

"In light of the unprecedented events last week at the U.S. Capitol, MLB is suspending contributions from its Political Action Committee pending a review of our political contribution policy going forward," the league said in a statement to The Associated Press on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 13, 2021, 05:27:40 PM
Major League Baseball does not plan to mandate that fans provide proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test result before entering a ballpark this year.

In a memo sent to teams Monday and obtained by the Los Angeles Times, the league outlined what it called its “minimum health and safety standards” for the 2021 season. The league noted that state and local authorities could mandate more restrictive standards and that all policies are subject to change as the public health situation in the United States changes.

The league completed its 2020 regular season without fans in attendance, because of the coronavirus pandemic. Monday’s memo was intended to help clubs plan “safely welcoming fans back to ballparks in 2021.”

In the memo, the league said teams could decide whether to require proof of vaccination, a negative COVID-19 test, and/or temperature checks but that MLB did not intend to mandate any of those steps. During the 2020 postseason, when MLB admitted a limited number of fans for the World Series and National League championship series in Arlington, Texas, the league did not require temperature checks.


https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-01-11/mlb-fans-vaccine-coronavirus-dodgers-angels (https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-01-11/mlb-fans-vaccine-coronavirus-dodgers-angels)

Individual municipalities will likely rule this situation.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 13, 2021, 05:44:41 PM
Major League Baseball does not plan to mandate that fans provide proof of vaccination or a negative COVID-19 test result before entering a ballpark this year.

In a memo sent to teams Monday and obtained by the Los Angeles Times, the league outlined what it called its “minimum health and safety standards” for the 2021 season. The league noted that state and local authorities could mandate more restrictive standards and that all policies are subject to change as the public health situation in the United States changes.

The league completed its 2020 regular season without fans in attendance, because of the coronavirus pandemic. Monday’s memo was intended to help clubs plan “safely welcoming fans back to ballparks in 2021.”

In the memo, the league said teams could decide whether to require proof of vaccination, a negative COVID-19 test, and/or temperature checks but that MLB did not intend to mandate any of those steps. During the 2020 postseason, when MLB admitted a limited number of fans for the World Series and National League championship series in Arlington, Texas, the league did not require temperature checks.


https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-01-11/mlb-fans-vaccine-coronavirus-dodgers-angels (https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-01-11/mlb-fans-vaccine-coronavirus-dodgers-angels)

Individual municipalities will likely rule this situation.

I find the lack of caution nuts.

Obviously, you are largely right, given this non-guideline, that either municipalities or states will dictate actual guidelines in some states and not others.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 13, 2021, 05:45:13 PM
I can't imagine going to a game this coming season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 13, 2021, 07:00:23 PM
I can't imagine going to a game this coming season.

If they drop the prices enough, I can imagine it, after I see what the local rules are or after I have the vaccine and have seen what the upshot is.

I don't expect to go, but I could imagine it. It would be sort of like going to Fenway before mid-summer of 1967!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 13, 2021, 08:36:02 PM
Before the 2020* season started I put up a poll on SoSH asking the question "would you feel safe going to a ball-game tonight"

As the immortal Ned Martin once proclaimed, a long time ago, "Theres a pandemic on the field"

While taking some license with Ned's famous observation from 1967, there may be a pandemic in the stands. Knowing the risks you know, would you feel comfortable watching a game at Fenway in 2020?



LSS, almost 80% of a universe of hard-core fans (almost 400 respondents) said no and would not attend.  About 6% said Yes with no mask social distance seating.

I may run a similiar poll in a month or so to see in a post-vaccine world to what degree sentiment has changed as we gear up for the 2021 season.

Right now I'm a no.
Title: Tendi value tanks
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 14, 2021, 06:37:14 PM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/01/red-sox-discussing-andrew-benintendi-in-trade-talks.html


His 2020 performance aside, there is some concern that Benintendi has declined in foot speed, which could have major repercussions on his game. He has not yet boasted the explosive power traditionally associated with a corner outfielder (.162 career ISO). Per Statcast, Benintendi’s sprint speed has slowed from 28.6 feet per second as a 22-year-old in 2016 to 27.7 ft/s as a 24-year-old in 2018 to 26.6 ft/s as a 26-year-old in the short sample of 2020. That’s a rather stunning fall from the 89th percentile to the 43rd percentile.


yep

weight gain was a real bad idea
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 15, 2021, 08:03:23 PM
Kluber close to 1 yr deal with Ys.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30719373/corey-kluber-finalizing-deal-join-new-york-yankees (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30719373/corey-kluber-finalizing-deal-join-new-york-yankees)

Right-hander Corey Kluber and the New York Yankees are finalizing a one-year, $11 million deal that would bring the two-time AL Cy Young winner to the Bronx, pending a physical, sources familiar with the agreement told ESPN's Jeff Passan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 15, 2021, 08:49:19 PM
Mets did that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2021, 03:46:25 PM
Interesting take

I guess you mean NYM showing interest in Kluber forced Yanks hand - and in 2 ways - grabbing the headlines back somewhat - and stealing a player Mets may have signed

Give us Tanaka and I am good.  Might laugh all summer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 19, 2021, 10:58:50 AM
Speaking of the Mets:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/sport/jared-porter-new-york-mets-firing-spt-intl/index.html

Porter was fired because of inappropriate texts he sent to a reporter in 2016.

In his "defense" he explained that the dick pick wasn't really him. It was stock footage.

Oh, so much better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 19, 2021, 02:05:00 PM
Liking these new Mets more and more each day.

Now sign Jon Lester!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 19, 2021, 02:19:44 PM
Too late.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 19, 2021, 02:34:54 PM
Speaking of the Mets:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/19/sport/jared-porter-new-york-mets-firing-spt-intl/index.html

Porter was fired because of inappropriate texts he sent to a reporter in 2016.

In his "defense" he explained that the dick pick wasn't really him. It was stock footage.

Oh, so much better.

Even when the Mets get it right, they get it wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 19, 2021, 02:44:26 PM
JOEY LUCCHESI

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lucchjo01.shtml

a nice alternative for NYM

144 hits in 163 innings in 2019 for the 2016 4th round pick

I am sure he will not be inserted right away, will have to battle to be in the rotation.  But happy with this, surely.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 19, 2021, 02:45:57 PM
JOEY LUCCHESI

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lucchjo01.shtml

a nice alternative for NYM

144 hits in 163 innings in 2019 for the 2016 4th round pick

I am sure he will not be inserted right away, will have to battle to be in the rotation.  But happy with this, surely.

So, kid, I see you're back to being a Mets fan, having now abandoned the Red Sox.

Kinda sad that you're such a frontrunner.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 19, 2021, 02:50:04 PM
I hope they win: The Tri-City ValleyCats have sued Major League Baseball and the Houston Astros for their unilateral decision to end their affiliation with the minor league organization. The suit seeks in excess of $15 million, ValleyCats chairman Doug Gladstone said Friday morning.

The team took the action after MLB decided to sever ties with the minor league team and a number of other affiliates around the U.S.

...The sharply worded 33-page complaint accuses Major League Baseball of using "bullying" tactics to pit minor league operations against one another for survival. It notes that the Houston team announced it was continuing its affiliations with "three teams owned by the Astros and one owned by a former U.S. Senator and current Governor, likely in efforts to quell the political discord that has occurred regarding MLB's contraction efforts" — an apparent reference to the Asheville, N.C., Tourists, a team owned by the family of Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine.


https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/ValleyCats-sue-Major-League-Baseball-Houston-15874082.php (https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/ValleyCats-sue-Major-League-Baseball-Houston-15874082.php)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 19, 2021, 03:09:32 PM
Mets Owners OWNS Twitter twit:

Mets owner Steve Cohen didn’t stop at his Twitter statement announcing the firing of GM Jared Porter for reportedly sending a stream of inappropriate texts to a female reporter in 2016.

Cohen elaborated on the social media platform Tuesday when one user asked him: “Caving to cancel culture is abhorrent, now that [Porter’s] life has been ruined, what is his path to redemption Mr. Cohen?”

“I have no idea. I have an organization of 400 employees that matter more than any one individual,” Cohen replied. “No action would [have] set a poor example to the culture I’m trying to build.”


https://nypost.com/2021/01/19/steve-cohen-replies-to-cancel-culture-tweet-after-firing-jared-porter/ (https://nypost.com/2021/01/19/steve-cohen-replies-to-cancel-culture-tweet-after-firing-jared-porter/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 19, 2021, 03:51:18 PM
JOEY LUCCHESI

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lucchjo01.shtml

a nice alternative for NYM

144 hits in 163 innings in 2019 for the 2016 4th round pick

I am sure he will not be inserted right away, will have to battle to be in the rotation.  But happy with this, surely.

So, kid, I see you're back to being a Mets fan, having now abandoned the Red Sox.

Kinda sad that you're such a frontrunner.

Well, son...

Kind of immature for a guy my age to live and die with the wins and losses of any group of millionaires.

Sort of like when you get to the point in life when you stop wearing player jerseys.

Fan of the sport.  Follow the Mets.  And yes, still an eye on the Sox, who have lost their way

Also following the college game more closely this year if anyone cares.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 19, 2021, 03:54:53 PM

Turns out Tanaka wants 15+ mil for one year.  Yanks not going 15 rather than give Kluber 11 says a lot about the current lot of NYY finances
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 19, 2021, 03:56:07 PM
JOEY LUCCHESI

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lucchjo01.shtml

a nice alternative for NYM

144 hits in 163 innings in 2019 for the 2016 4th round pick

I am sure he will not be inserted right away, will have to battle to be in the rotation.  But happy with this, surely.

So, kid, I see you're back to being a Mets fan, having now abandoned the Red Sox.

Kinda sad that you're such a frontrunner.

Well, son...

Kind of immature for a guy my age to live and die with the wins and losses of any group of millionaires.

Sort of like when you get to the point in life when you stop wearing player jerseys.

Fan of the sport.  Follow the Mets.  And yes, still an eye on the Sox, who have lost their way

Also following the college game more closely this year if anyone cares.

Gee, dad, you're swell.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2021, 05:13:18 PM
JOEY LUCCHESI

https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/l/lucchjo01.shtml

a nice alternative for NYM

144 hits in 163 innings in 2019 for the 2016 4th round pick

I am sure he will not be inserted right away, will have to battle to be in the rotation.  But happy with this, surely.

So, kid, I see you're back to being a Mets fan, having now abandoned the Red Sox.

Kinda sad that you're such a frontrunner.

Well, son...

Kind of immature for a guy my age to live and die with the wins and losses of any group of millionaires.

Sort of like when you get to the point in life when you stop wearing player jerseys.

Fan of the sport.  Follow the Mets.  And yes, still an eye on the Sox, who have lost their way

Also following the college game more closely this year if anyone cares.

Kidcarters all growed up. He no longer wears his Doc Gooden or Clyde jerseys, but just identifies with his favorite player by using his name-nick-name as his web handle.

TFF

I was never a fan of wearing a players jersey or uni. It always cracked me up seeing some 5'8" white guy wearing a Patrick Ewing jersey.

Though to be fair, they really weren't prevalent when I was a young kid. IIRC they came into being in the mid-70s. I might have worn a #9, or maybe consider sporting #8. or a Celtics 6, 17, 18. or  Bruins 4 or 9, maybe a Pats 20 or 35.

I did wear my T-shirts and hats with team colors and logo, Still do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 19, 2021, 05:59:32 PM
Attaboy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2021, 06:43:59 PM
kidcarter8

heh

all growed up

HEH

kid's too dumb to understand he's still wearing a player's jersey
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 19, 2021, 07:49:42 PM
So, banks, did you play a lot of pool when you were a young man?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2021, 08:50:08 PM
So, banks, did you play a lot of pool when you were a young man?

I used to shoot some stick.

I was decent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 19, 2021, 08:53:24 PM
So, banks, did you play a lot of pool when you were a young man?

I used to shoot some stick.

I was decent.

Is this my cue to say...

Chalk one up for you!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2021, 08:55:42 PM
So, banks, did you play a lot of pool when you were a young man?

I used to shoot some stick.

I was decent.

Is this my cue to say...

Chalk one up for you!

better than saying "you're behind the 8-ball"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 19, 2021, 08:59:31 PM
So, banks, did you play a lot of pool when you were a young man?

I used to shoot some stick.

I was decent.

I played well, when I was young. Now, I can't see!

But I remember making tuition payment with money I'd win in bars, playing in 5 and 10 or 20 dollar games. Not a lot of money now. But at that time minimum wage was about $2.65 an hour.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 19, 2021, 09:33:11 PM
So, banks, did you play a lot of pool when you were a young man?

I used to shoot some stick.

I was decent.

I played well, when I was young. Now, I can't see!

But I remember making tuition payment with money I'd win in bars, playing in 5 and 10 or 20 dollar games. Not a lot of money now. But at that time minimum wage was about $2.65 an hour.

I learned the game on a 7 ft table and mostly played on 8 ft. tables I was pretty good but generally only played against people I knew and small stakes. I was my dorm champ (about 1000 kids) but I shouldn't have been-the best guy was away for the week-end. I played a fair amount of 9-ball and straight.  A good run for me was 8-10 balls.

Poker was my "tuition game" played for pots of a few hundred + when the minimum wage was around $1.60. 

Early 70s we used to play ping-pong, table top hockey, foos-ball, skittle bowl, chess almost anything for money.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 20, 2021, 04:51:43 AM
R.I.P. Don Sutton.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 10:37:07 AM
The baseball card collection of the 1960's and 70's has been decimated in the last year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 20, 2021, 08:40:57 PM
Doug Glanville explains his hesitancy to be a manager: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30698998/mlb-needs-more-black-managers-here-why-right-now (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30698998/mlb-needs-more-black-managers-here-why-right-now)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 22, 2021, 11:05:43 AM
Hank Aaron RIP

Baseball Hall of Famer Hank Aaron, who broke Babe Ruth’s home run record in 1974, has passed away at 86, according to multiple reports.


a sad day as age claims another all-time great.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/22/sports/baseball-hall-famer-hank-aaron-dies-86/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/01/22/sports/baseball-hall-famer-hank-aaron-dies-86/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 22, 2021, 12:04:23 PM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oOV47D36rlg
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: barton on January 22, 2021, 01:03:33 PM
RIP.  He braved a lot of death threats as he approached Ruth's HR record.    Still leads in RBIs and total bases.   

As a child, I got to see Aaron play in 1965, during that period (1955-1965) when it was possible to watch the Milwaukee Braves play the KC Athletics.  I don't remember much of the game, except that Aaron homered and KC lost, and the hot dog was excellent.  Milwaukee, after that year, was teamless for four seasons.  Perhaps that traumatic period was why the new team was named in honor of beer. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 22, 2021, 04:31:24 PM
If you took away Henry's homers, he still had over 3000 hits. He got MVP votes for 19 seasons. Who does that?

And a class act, all the way. So glad I got to see him and so many other great NATIONAL LEAGUERS play for so many years.

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9xYAAOSwHAdfIdd1/s-l1600.jpg)



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 22, 2021, 04:32:21 PM
I have that card!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 22, 2021, 04:36:30 PM
I have that card!


Better put it in your will.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 22, 2021, 05:32:00 PM
RIP.  He braved a lot of death threats as he approached Ruth's HR record.   


So would you call all Yankee fans racist due to the few's treatment of Aaron?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 22, 2021, 05:38:48 PM
I have that card!


Better put it in your will.

I have heard the card market is back, with investments coming in from athlete's themselves

Of course it had been ruined by the designed short runs and resulting over inflated pricing.

Only card I really invested in was the the Ozzie Smith Topps rookie which I paid 13 bucks for.  This was before I knew anything about grading

Funny, in Gregg Jeffries rookie year there was a full page ad in Newsday offering 100 card lots of his card - for the bargain price of 850 bucks.

That lot of course worth probable between 10 and 20.

Sad to have to admit a friend and I almost went for the 425 a piece.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 22, 2021, 05:41:45 PM
But yes, rest in piece, Henry.  In my first days as a fan, you - along with Mays, Clemente, Gibson, Robby - were the game to me.  This long before any thoughts of you and Mr. Ruth.
Title: NBC Sports Network is shutting down
Post by: josh on January 22, 2021, 06:40:10 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/22/media/nbc-sports-network-shut-down/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2021, 09:22:50 PM
Springer to the JAYS, 6 years

Red Sox sign Garrett Richards for 1-10
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 23, 2021, 09:39:32 PM
"Bob" and "Richie" and "Hank".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 23, 2021, 11:19:18 PM
"Bob" and "Richie" and "Hank".

Two Hall of Famers and a Dick
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 24, 2021, 08:25:56 AM
"Bob" and "Richie" and "Hank".

Two Hall of Famers and a Dick
His career was a few years longer but Dick Allen is sort of similar to Albert Belle - a great player who had... issues that adversely effected how their careers are perceived. Belle's career was too short for serious HoF consideration, but I suspect he would have had the same issue with the BBWA.

And if Dick Allen were white he would have been a "fiery competitor" and in the Hall of Fame. Discuss.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 10:06:14 AM
"Bob" and "Richie" and "Hank".

Two Hall of Famers and a Dick
His career was a few years longer but Dick Allen is sort of similar to Albert Belle - a great player who had... issues that adversely effected how their careers are perceived. Belle's career was too short for serious HoF consideration, but I suspect he would have had the same issue with the BBWA.

And if Dick Allen were white he would have been a "fiery competitor" and in the Hall of Fame. Discuss.

We have. IMO he's a boderline guy. One of the problems is the recent addition of Harold Baines, who IMO was not a HoF, as it opens the border to an influx of MS-13 and other terorists like Dick Allen, Dwight Evans, Torii Hunter, Paul O'Neil, Bernie Williams, Steve Garvey, etc. 

I think however we can all agree that Dick Allen was no Jamie Moyer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 24, 2021, 12:08:42 PM
Allen’s best recent comparison is Rice, I think.  He matches up pretty favorably.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 01:15:23 PM
It is a good comp-and we kicked that one around WBW.

IMO Rice was a borderline guy too-and I was on the fence but eventually thought he should be in. And took him his entire time allowance (15 years) to get in. Rice beats Allen in most if not all counting stats, Allen has the edge in rate stats. I could be talked into Allen and to be fair, didn't see a lot of his NL career, but followed him through the sports pages, he was more hype than great hitter.  Rice in 15 years got top-5 MVP votes 5 times, Allen twice.

I think relative to the time they played Rice was the better hitter and probably more deserving of HoF honors than Allen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 01:16:35 PM
One of the problems is the recent addition of Harold Baines, who IMO was not a HoF

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 01:17:33 PM
IMO Rice was a borderline guy too



heh squared
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 24, 2021, 01:25:14 PM
It took Rice 15 years of building support-and getting in with just enough votes, He's a pretty good example of a borderline guy.

Heh^15th

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 24, 2021, 01:46:24 PM
Yeah, interesting process

Alan Trammell (I know - not a Hall of Famer to you) was once below 14%

Heck - they made Carter wait 6 years.

Not sure I get the voters that dont want to use more o their ballots (offten voting NO on a guy when they had 7 open slots only to vote YES on the same guy the next year)

I do understand minds can change - but not to the extent where we see such rises each year.  Rice was never a sub 50% guy.  Yet he was.  I'd have more respect for the vote if he started at 49 and ended at 57, something like that.

Only exception I give to this thinking is with FIRST BALLOT, since that has become a thing - and if you want to reserve this for the best of the best I guess understand.

But you need at least 5 per cent to run away from that - or you are off the ballot (someone please apologize to Lou Whitaker).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 24, 2021, 02:13:15 PM
(someone please apologize to Lou Whitaker).
Fuckin' A bubba.
Title: Hall of Fame
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 05:40:35 PM
So, who we got this year?

https://baseballhall.org/discover/2021-hall-of-fame-bbwaa-ballot

Schilling
Clemens
Bonds
Helton
Kent
Ramirez
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 06:04:24 PM
No problem wither with

Wagner
Rolen
A Jones
Sheffield

The first three have reportedly climbed in the balloting this year
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 06:32:10 PM
LaTroy Hawkins wont stay on the ballot but did get more votes than Hal McRae

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2021/01/25/baseball-hall-fame-ballot-latroy-hawkins/6696285002/

Good piece
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 26, 2021, 06:53:39 PM
Even with Nightengale's impassioned defense of his idiocy, it remains mind-boggling that somebody actually thought LaTroy Hawkins worthy of Hall of Fame admission.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2021, 07:34:35 PM
"Bob" and "Richie" and "Hank".

Two Hall of Famers and a Dick
His career was a few years longer but Dick Allen is sort of similar to Albert Belle - a great player who had... issues that adversely effected how their careers are perceived. Belle's career was too short for serious HoF consideration, but I suspect he would have had the same issue with the BBWA.

And if Dick Allen were white he would have been a "fiery competitor" and in the Hall of Fame. Discuss.

Allen had no issues. The press did. The fuckingwriters didn't stop from putting one of their own in, though, despite this:

On December 20, 2011, Conlin resigned from his sportswriting position just hours prior to the publication of allegations of child molestation. One of Conlin's accusers was his niece, Kelley Blanchet, a prosecutor in Atlantic City, New Jersey. The claims of abuse were first reported to the police in 2009 when Blanchet said she became concerned for the safety of Conlin's other young relatives.  Three more people later claimed they had been abused by Conlin.

The Baseball Writers Association secretary/treasurer Jack O'Connell issued a "member in good standing" statement on December 20. It said in part, "The allegations have no bearing on [Conlin's] winning the 2011 J.G. Taylor Spink Award, which was in recognition of his notable career as a baseball writer".
. *

Bill Conlin. Pedophile. In the HOF.

Think about that for a minute, next time someone says that Barry Bonds or Roger Clemens don't belong because of their "character".


*From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Conlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Conlin)

And fuck the BBWA.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 26, 2021, 07:39:01 PM
Even with Nightengale's impassioned defense of his idiocy, it remains mind-boggling that somebody actually thought LaTroy Hawkins worthy of Hall of Fame admission.

He's no Jamie Moyer!

ex-phillie Curt schilling leads the scorned class of '21 with about 71% of the vote. In what will be apparently his last year on the ballot.

According to a letter to the HoF Schilling asked to be removed from the writers' ballot next year.

"I will not participate in the final year of voting. I am requesting to be removed from the ballot. I'll defer to the veterans committee and men whose opinions actually matter and who are in a position to actually judge a player," "I don't think I'm a hall of famer as I've often stated but if former players think I am then I'll accept that with honor."

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30784823/no-one-elected-baseball-hall-fame-class-2021 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30784823/no-one-elected-baseball-hall-fame-class-2021)
Title: Re: Hall of Fame
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2021, 07:39:38 PM
So, who we got this year?

https://baseballhall.org/discover/2021-hall-of-fame-bbwaa-ballot

Schilling
Clemens
Bonds
Helton
Kent
Ramirez

No one will get in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2021, 07:44:53 PM
Even with Nightengale's impassioned defense of his idiocy, it remains mind-boggling that somebody actually thought LaTroy Hawkins worthy of Hall of Fame admission.

He's no Jamie Moyer!



Well, he has 53 fewer wins than Moyer.

(https://popculturehasaids.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/curt-schilling-ketchup.jpg)

And Moyer never used Heinz 57 on his socks, either.

(https://picture.graycity.net/img/jamie-moyer/just_tell_me_i_cant.jpg)




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2021, 10:29:21 PM
Is that a real book?

If so I will check it out
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 27, 2021, 11:16:28 AM
Is that a real book?

If so I will check it out

Yes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 27, 2021, 11:21:42 AM
Realmuto stays in Philly. Richest catcher ever?

The Philadelphia Phillies have retained arguably their most important player. The Phillies and catcher J.T. Realmuto have agreed to a five-year contract worth $115.5 million, CBS Sports HQ analyst Jim Bowden confirmed Tuesday. The deal is pending a physical and the team has not yet confirmed the signing.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/phillies-re-sign-j-t-realmuto-to-five-year-deal-worth-115-5-million/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/phillies-re-sign-j-t-realmuto-to-five-year-deal-worth-115-5-million/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2021, 11:22:03 AM
1/2 price on Amazon

Found this one as well

https://www.amazon.com/Drinking-Coffee-Fork-Carlton-Phillies-ebook/dp/B005HZ0VWA/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=jamie+moyer&qid=1611764407&sr=8-2
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2021, 11:23:35 AM
Realmuto gets the Bernie Williams "No way he is worth the cash in year 5" deal.

Good team, I suppose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 27, 2021, 11:43:39 AM
Great division.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 27, 2021, 11:48:25 AM
Adolph Schilling has asked the BBWA to remove his name from the ballot for the HoF next year. Given that two plahers who are obviously paper qualified to have been first ballot Hallcof Famers cannot get over the bump due to PED allegations,.and that the two best qualified additions to next year's ballots are also PED tainted, will we go two years on a row without the writers electing anyone to the Hall?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 27, 2021, 11:50:50 AM
Adolph Schilling has asked the BBWA to remove his name from the ballot for the HoF next year. Given that two plahers who are obviously paper qualified to have been first ballot Hallcof Famers cannot get over the bump due to PED allegations,.and that the two best qualified additions to next year's ballots are also PED tainted, will we go two years on a row without the writers electing anyone to the Hall?

Not if they look more carefully at Jamie Moyer's records.

Seriously, Scott Rolen is a HOFer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 27, 2021, 11:56:56 AM
Adolph Schilling has asked the BBWA to remove his name from the ballot for the HoF next year. Given that two plahers who are obviously paper qualified to have been first ballot Hallcof Famers cannot get over the bump due to PED allegations,.and that the two best qualified additions to next year's ballots are also PED tainted, will we go two years on a row without the writers electing anyone to the Hall?

Not if they look more carefully at Jamie Moyer's records.

Seriously, Scott Rolen is a HOFer.
Maybe, but he's not getting in next year. Nor is Omar, even if he stops beating his wife.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 27, 2021, 12:24:03 PM
Adolph Schilling has asked the BBWA to remove his name from the ballot for the HoF next year. Given that two plahers who are obviously paper qualified to have been first ballot Hallcof Famers cannot get over the bump due to PED allegations,.and that the two best qualified additions to next year's ballots are also PED tainted, will we go two years on a row without the writers electing anyone to the Hall?

Not if they look more carefully at Jamie Moyer's records.

Seriously, Scott Rolen is a HOFer.
Maybe, but he's not getting in next year. Nor is Omar, even if he stops beating his wife.

Rolen strikes me as another HoVG guy.

Did people really think he was a Schmidt, Brooks, Boggs Chipper, Molitor 3rd baseman or close to HoF when he played.

as for Omar-I think his superb fielding and what did he have 2800 hits should be his ticket in

and

he was overshadowed by the new breed of slugging SS-ARod, Nomar, Jeter and Miggy that dominated the AL during his career.

and

I'm not testifying to his character, nor his ex's, but I might take an ex's unproven accusations, which he denied, with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 27, 2021, 12:47:49 PM
This is the wrong zeitgeist for.that kind of accusation.

And as much as he was 99-100000030709339 of my favorite players, Omar's 2800 career hits is a Moyerish qualification. He was comparatively better in his prime than Moyer was, though.

So my fat thumb hit 9 instead of o and autocorrect gave me 99-100000030709339 as an option, when I meant "one", just from a 9. Why? Is that a common number to have typed? I don't think I have ever typed that, let alone typed it enough to be, like my frequent typo tbe, a learned option. So it must be the program itself.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 27, 2021, 01:19:24 PM
This is the wrong zeitgeist for.that kind of accusation.

And as much as he was 99-100000030709339 of my favorite players, Omar's 2800 career hits is a Moyerish qualification. He was comparatively better in his prime than Moyer was, though.

So my fat thumb hit 9 instead of o and autocorrect gave me 99-100000030709339 as an option, when I meant "one", just from a 9. Why? Is that a common number to have typed? I don't think I have ever typed that, let alone typed it enough to be, like my frequent typo tbe, a learned option. So it must be the program itself.

My case for Omar is similiar to the case for Ozzie Smith, I think Omar's fielding was special enough, that on almost a standalone basis, warrants a plaque in HoF.

And while playing forever led to compiling hits, during his prime he was a .275-.290 hitter,

Moyer had longevity and wins, but was never considered anywhere near the best at what he did.

I think Omar was.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2021, 01:51:40 PM
Adolph Schilling has asked the BBWA to remove his name from the ballot for the HoF next year. Given that two plahers who are obviously paper qualified to have been first ballot Hallcof Famers cannot get over the bump due to PED allegations,.and that the two best qualified additions to next year's ballots are also PED tainted, will we go two years on a row without the writers electing anyone to the Hall?

No

I think cooler heads will prevail and Schill gets in next year.

And he won't be alone.

I think some voters knew Jeter and company would be up there this year which made it easier to be a NO vote on Curt
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2021, 01:53:26 PM
Has Schilling made comments that reek of antiSemitism?  I missed that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2021, 02:00:41 PM
Just looked at Vizqeul's numbers - and there is no doubt in my mind that he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

For a guy of his stature, 50+ RBI seasons count.

Scored 100+ more than once

Total number of hits (2877) and runs (1445)

Plus the 11 GG.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 27, 2021, 02:48:27 PM
Adolph Schilling has asked the BBWA to remove his name from the ballot for the HoF next year. Given that two plahers who are obviously paper qualified to have been first ballot Hallcof Famers cannot get over the bump due to PED allegations,.and that the two best qualified additions to next year's ballots are also PED tainted, will we go two years on a row without the writers electing anyone to the Hall?

No

I think cooler heads will prevail and Schill gets in next year.

You think they will ignore his request to be dropped?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2021, 03:37:12 PM
Adolph Schilling has asked the BBWA to remove his name from the ballot for the HoF next year. Given that two plahers who are obviously paper qualified to have been first ballot Hallcof Famers cannot get over the bump due to PED allegations,.and that the two best qualified additions to next year's ballots are also PED tainted, will we go two years on a row without the writers electing anyone to the Hall?

No

I think cooler heads will prevail and Schill gets in next year.

You think they will ignore his request to be dropped?

Sure - something like that
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2021, 03:41:22 PM
By the way - kudos to John Jastremsky (WFAN evenings) for having the cajones to  all a spade a spade - that Schill IS undoubtedly a Hall of Famer

This after the assedness shown by PC group Carlos Pena and Bill Ripken - first to comment (MLB Network), who crowed that "its a tough Hall to get into" and the Schilling vote is proving this out.

No player to get 70+% of the vote has ever stayed out of the Hall, right?

Thus the masses have already spoken on the issue, no matter how PC they wish to be
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 01, 2021, 02:06:13 PM
Dustin Pedroia to retire

one of my favorites.

played hard every game, played with a lot of swagger there was a lot of ballplayer in that little guy

Pedey was so much fun to watch play, he always had the dirtiest uni, he busted his ass and looked like he loved doing it.

IMO only injuries keep him out of the HoF.

Thanks Dustin


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 01, 2021, 03:19:28 PM
IMO only injuries keep him out of the HoF.


Sure.

Ditto NOMAR
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 01, 2021, 04:33:01 PM
IMO only injuries keep him out of the HoF.


Sure.

Ditto NOMAR

Maybe.

First 5 or so years Nomar looked like he was a future HoFer-but was never the same player after the wrist surgery in '01.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 02, 2021, 11:12:56 AM
NOMAR had a WAR6 of 40+ (add top 6 WAR years), which is top level for a middle infielder.  His 7th best year was just a  2.8, so the WAR7 is about 43.

Pedey was at WAR7 40, I think.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2021, 08:13:30 PM
NOMAR had a WAR6 of 40+ (add top 6 WAR years), which is top level for a middle infielder.  His 7th best year was just a  2.8, so the WAR7 is about 43.

Pedey was at WAR7 40, I think.
i used baseballref. for WAR and got some different values WAR 6 and 7

              WAR6          WAR 7
Nomar      36,5            37.8           https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garcino01.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/garcino01.shtml)

Pedey       37.1             41.0          https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pedrodu01.shtml  (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/pedrodu01.shtml)


In any case, IMO a case can be made that both were on early paths to the HoF but both got sidetracked by injuries.

which btw, I am not making the cases now.
     
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 02, 2021, 08:37:11 PM
i used baseballref. for WAR and got some different values WAR 6 and 7


Nice.  Now go back and add again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 02, 2021, 09:20:43 PM
My numbers match Kid's for Nomar 40.6 and 43.1, but they match Banks for Pedey.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 02, 2021, 09:29:28 PM
i used baseballref. for WAR and got some different values WAR 6 and 7


Nice.  Now go back and add again.

Missed a back to back Nomar 6.6

Pedroia

1-2011  8.0
2-2008  6.9
3-2013  6.1
4-2009  5.6
5-2016  5.4
6-2012 5.1
WAR 6  37.1

7- 2007 3.9

WAR7   41.0


Nomar

1-2000  7.4
2-1998  7.1
3-2002  6.8
4-1997  6.6
5-1999  6.6
6-2003  6.1
WAR 6 40.6

7-2006  2.5

WAR7   43.1
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2021, 11:26:13 AM
It's a solid comp, no matter the math.

Two, maybe three less Boston Hall of Famers.  Not sure we deserve that.

What team do you suppose has the most "marginals"?

I guess Sox have at least 5, with Manny/Evans added.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2021, 12:25:10 PM
It's a solid comp, no matter the math.

Two, maybe three less Boston Hall of Famers.  Not sure we deserve that.

What team do you suppose has the most "marginals"?

I guess Sox have at least 5, with Manny/Evans added.

I think Pedroia's got a decent-arguable case. But the injuries killed his counting stats. He was one of the best fielding 2nd baseman I've seen play, fearless (unfortunately) around the bag, great range, and a great arm. And he was a legit .300 hitter with decent power. 4 GGs (should have been at least 5) ROY, MVP. He would not be out of place in the HoF

Who are your 5?

Nomar
Pedroia
Schilling
Manny
Evans

I'd add Clemens and Tiant

excluding PEDS Clemens and Manny would hae been 1st ballot HoF locks

I never really thought Evans was a HoF, but I'd vote for Luis.


Off the top of my head

Yankees

Munson
Mattingly
Bernie
Pettitte

maybe more but I'll leave it to others...

Utely could probably name a a small army of guys who played for Phillies who have been denied baseball immortality.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 03, 2021, 04:53:46 PM
Dustin Pedroia to retire

one of my favorites.

played hard every game, played with a lot of swagger there was a lot of ballplayer in that little guy

Pedey was so much fun to watch play, he always had the dirtiest uni, he busted his ass and looked like he loved doing it.

IMO only injuries keep him out of the HoF.

Thanks Dustin

Enjoy your retirement, Dustbin.

(https://www.masslive.com/resizer/sK3k-la6ZnZrbQQmD37zDVcrOqE=/450x0/smart/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/advancelocal/7BK7G73NFBE2FCBXK23WYM7RCU.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 03, 2021, 07:07:31 PM
It's a solid comp, no matter the math.

Two, maybe three less Boston Hall of Famers. 

Fewer than what?

I didn't think either of them was set for the HoF.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2021, 07:37:57 PM
Four, actually - including Manny

That you dont think Nomar or Pedroia make the Hall if they hadnt the injuries (if this IS what you are saying) speaks to

a)  your insistence on being contrarian

or

b)  your being quite unwise
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2021, 07:38:40 PM
Good moderators actually moderate

When are you going to start?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 03, 2021, 07:50:37 PM
Four, actually - including Manny

That you dont think Nomar or Pedroia make the Hall if they hadnt the injuries (if this IS what you are saying)

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that given the careers as they ended, if they make the Hall it will be a surprise to me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 03, 2021, 08:44:33 PM
Four, actually - including Manny

That you dont think Nomar or Pedroia make the Hall if they hadnt the injuries (if this IS what you are saying)

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that given the careers as they ended, if they make the Hall it will be a surprise to me.

I agree. But IMO Pedroia has a shot, IMO he was the best fielding 2nd baseman in baseball for about 10 years,  a .300 hitter, and had the resume to support a vote.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 03, 2021, 10:01:27 PM
Four, actually - including Manny

That you dont think Nomar or Pedroia make the Hall if they hadnt the injuries (if this IS what you are saying)

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that given the careers as they ended, if they make the Hall it will be a surprise to me.

I agree. But IMO Pedroia has a shot, IMO he was the best fielding 2nd baseman in baseball for about 10 years,  a .300 hitter, and had the resume to support a vote.

He's no Chase Utley.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 03, 2021, 10:02:08 PM
RIP Grant Jackson.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30822235/grant-jackson-pittsburgh-pirates-winning-pitcher-game-7-1979-world-series-dies-78 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/30822235/grant-jackson-pittsburgh-pirates-winning-pitcher-game-7-1979-world-series-dies-78)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 03, 2021, 10:31:37 PM
Four, actually - including Manny

That you dont think Nomar or Pedroia make the Hall if they hadnt the injuries (if this IS what you are saying)

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that given the careers as they ended, if they make the Hall it will be a surprise to me.

I agree. But IMO Pedroia has a shot, IMO he was the best fielding 2nd baseman in baseball for about 10 years,  a .300 hitter, and had the resume to support a vote.

He's no Chase Utley.

It's true.

How many Gold Gloves did Utley win?

How many MVPs?

I can't quite remember.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 03, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
Utley goes on Phils list with Rolen, Schilling, Allen and that Moyer guy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2021, 10:37:33 AM
Four, actually - including Manny

That you dont think Nomar or Pedroia make the Hall if they hadnt the injuries (if this IS what you are saying)

Not what I'm saying.

I'm saying that given the careers as they ended, if they make the Hall it will be a surprise to me.

I agree. But IMO Pedroia has a shot, IMO he was the best fielding 2nd baseman in baseball for about 10 years,  a .300 hitter, and had the resume to support a vote.

He's no Chase Utley.

It's true.

How many Gold Gloves did Utley win?

How many MVPs?

I can't quite remember.

An honest reckoning shows Utley is the better player.

https://mlbcomparisons.com/dustin-pedroia-vs-chase-utley-comparison/ (https://mlbcomparisons.com/dustin-pedroia-vs-chase-utley-comparison/)

You lose.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 04, 2021, 10:40:27 AM
Interesting.  Nothing about defense there.  I must have missed it I guess.  I'm kind of surprised that a guy who yells and screams that using the DH isn't "real baseball" leaves out defense in his "analysis" of who's a better player.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2021, 10:45:52 AM
Interesting.  Nothing about defense there.  I must have missed it I guess.  I'm kind of surprised that a guy who yells and screams that using the DH isn't "real baseball" leaves out defense in his "analysis" of who's a better player.

If Utley could've played his career in the Bronx, with days off to just DH, you'd be singing a different tune.

It's defense was fine. But his leadership, ability to endure, hit for power, etc, are superior to Dustbin's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 04, 2021, 10:49:22 AM
If Utley could've played his career in the Bronx, with days off to just DH, you'd be singing a different tune.


What tune am I singing?  I like the DH.  Utley was a  mediocre second baseman far below Pedroia's class.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2021, 11:09:30 AM
If Utley could've played his career in the Bronx, with days off to just DH, you'd be singing a different tune.


What tune am I singing?  I like the DH.  Utley was a  mediocre second baseman far below Pedroia's class.

Clearly. on this subject, you're either ignorant, or biased. Or both.

JAWS.

  Utley's number 11, ALL-TIME.

Dustbin? 9 places behind.

WAR. Utley is number 15 ALL TIME. Dustbin? 22.

dWAR? Utley #11, ALLTIME. Dustbin? 17.

oWAR? Utley is #17 ALLTIME. Dustbin? 32.

It's not really taking away from Dustbin's career to show objectively that Utley was the better player.

Dustbin had an impactful career. He's just not as good a player as Utley, no matter what your loathing of the NL, Philadelphia, etc, tells you.

Take a seat now, Yank.
 https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_2B.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_2B.shtml)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2021, 11:34:24 AM
The initial point re Pedroia was the impact on his counting stats caused by his injuries. Basically he was done by age 33, Utley accumulated stats until he was close to 40.

Pedroia was the better hitter, fielder and player.

Utley hit more HRs.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2021, 11:40:55 AM
The initial point re Pedroia was the impact on his counting stats caused by his injuries. Basically he was done by age 33, Utley accumulated stats until he was close to 40.

Pedroia was the better hitter, fielder and player.

Utley hit more HRs.

Sure. Uh huh. Just ignore the WAR Stats in the ALL TIME LIST.

Homer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2021, 11:51:37 AM
The initial point re Pedroia was the impact on his counting stats caused by his injuries. Basically he was done by age 33, Utley accumulated stats until he was close to 40.

Pedroia was the better hitter, fielder and player.

Utley hit more HRs.

Sure. Uh huh. Just ignore the WAR Stats in the ALL TIME LIST.

Homer.

And speaking of homers Utley played half his games in the park typically ranked the easiset for HR.

Actually if you look at their WAR #s through age 33 (Pedroia's real end point) you'll find the WAR #s pretty close as Utley added 12.6 WAR points from 33-39, while Pedroia lost 0.7 in his last 2 injury shortened seasons.

So if you make that adjustment: 

Pedroia 51.6 +0.7= 52.3

Utley     64.4-12.6 = 51.8

Through a like period Pedroia's WAR was slightly higher.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2021, 12:40:44 PM
A Pedroia piece

https://www.cooperstowncred.com/dustin-pedroia-retires-will-he-make-hall-of-fame/

and one for Utley

https://www.thecoldwire.com/what-happened-to-chase-utley/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2021, 01:00:09 PM
Interesting quiz

TEN PLAYERS that played 40+% of their games at 2B, SS or 3B accumulated the following stats

.300 batting avg
150 HR
1000 RBI
2000 hits

I will give you Hornsby, Gehringer and Cronin,  The other SEVEN are more modern.  5 are Hall of Famers.  One very likely falls short.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2021, 01:02:01 PM
Utley Hall debate from same site as Pedroia piece

https://www.cooperstowncred.com/chase-utley-hall-of-fame-debate/

I like this website
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 04, 2021, 01:04:45 PM
Interesting.  Nothing about defense there.  I must have missed it I guess.  I'm kind of surprised that a guy who yells and screams that using the DH isn't "real baseball" leaves out defense in his "analysis" of who's a better player.

If Utley could've played his career in the Bronx, with days off to just DH, you'd be singing a different tune.

It's defense was fine. But his leadership, ability to endure, hit for power, etc, are superior to Dustbin's.

I am sure that had he played in the Bronx, you, too, would be singing a different tune. Or Boston. ;-)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2021, 01:44:24 PM
The initial point re Pedroia was the impact on his counting stats caused by his injuries. Basically he was done by age 33, Utley accumulated stats until he was close to 40.

Pedroia was the better hitter, fielder and player.

Utley hit more HRs.

Sure. Uh huh. Just ignore the WAR Stats in the ALL TIME LIST.

Homer.

And speaking of homers Utley played half his games in the park typically ranked the easiset for HR.

Actually if you look at their WAR #s through age 33 (Pedroia's real end point) you'll find the WAR #s pretty close as Utley added 12.6 WAR points from 33-39, while Pedroia lost 0.7 in his last 2 injury shortened seasons.

So if you make that adjustment: 

Pedroia 51.6 +0.7= 52.3

Utley     64.4-12.6 = 51.8

Through a like period Pedroia's WAR was slightly higher.

You always consider the career, not a portion of it.



And as a lefty, he would've loved Fenway.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2021, 02:09:41 PM
HEH

The discussion was the better player.

And Pedroia was the better player.

Although Chase Utley had an edge in the 33-39 age time period.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2021, 03:56:13 PM
From 2005 to 2011, he had 47.8 Fangraphs wins above replacement. The next-highest player, Dustin Pedroia, had 24.7. During this time, Utley also ranks first in OPS (.896) and wRC+ (134), second in home runs (173) and runs batted in (616), third in hits (1095), sixth in stolen bases (104), and seventh in batting average (.293).

Utley performed well in two World Series berths with the Phillies. He hit two home runs and drove in four runs in 2008.

Utley’s best playoff performance came in the 2009 World Series when he tied Reggie Jackson for the most home runs in a World Series with six. Even though his team lost, there was still talk of naming him the series MVP anyway.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 04, 2021, 04:04:07 PM
HEH

The discussion was the better player.

And Pedroia was the better player.

Although Chase Utley had an edge in the 33-39 age time period.

Durability counts, especially when you want to say that one player is better than another. Offense counts. Defense counts.

So far you've shown no evidence to support your assertion that Dustbin was the "better player", other than to snip a portion of the careers to compare.

But, I just did the same thing here: "From 2005 to 2011, he had 47.8 Fangraphs wins above replacement. The next-highest player, Dustin Pedroia, had 24.7. During this time, Utley also ranks first in OPS (.896) and wRC+ (134), second in home runs (173) and runs batted in (616), third in hits (1095)..."

And you canNOT counter these facts:

JAWS.

  Utley's number 11, ALL-TIME.

Dustbin? 9 places behind.

WAR. Utley is number 15 ALL TIME. Dustbin? 22.

dWAR? Utley #11, ALLTIME. Dustbin? 17.

oWAR? Utley is #17 ALLTIME. Dustbin? 32.


Like Dustbin all you want, but you have to show he was the "better player".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2021, 04:42:35 PM
From 2005 to 2011, he had 47.8 Fangraphs wins above replacement. The next-highest player, Dustin Pedroia, had 24.7. During this time, Utley also ranks first in OPS (.896) and wRC+ (134), second in home runs (173) and runs batted in (616), third in hits (1095), sixth in stolen bases (104), and seventh in batting average (.293).

Utley performed well in two World Series berths with the Phillies. He hit two home runs and drove in four runs in 2008.

Utley’s best playoff performance came in the 2009 World Series when he tied Reggie Jackson for the most home runs in a World Series with six. Even though his team lost, there was still talk of naming him the series MVP anyway.

Cano was 29.3 from 2005-2011

Then added another 21.3 the following 3 seasons.

Likely the better comp to Utley.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 04, 2021, 04:51:01 PM
WAR2 (aka "at their best")

Utley 17.2
Cano 16.5
Pedroia 14.9
Alomar 14.7
Kent 14.3
Whitaker 13.5
Kinsler 13.0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2021, 04:59:16 PM
Uno


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From 2005 to 2011, he had 47.8 Fangraphs wins above replacement. The next-highest player, Dustin Pedroia, had 24.7
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The above comp of Utley and Pedroia from 2005 are great!

One problem though, Pedroia's rookie season was 2007.

If you're going to cherry pick at least give poor Dustin his fair share of cherries!!

LMAO

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So far you've shown no evidence to support your assertion that Dustbin was the "better player", other than to snip a portion of the careers to compare.



Not true-I used Pedroia's far higher batting average, OBP, 4 gold gloves to support my opinion of Pedroia as a better player.

I did admit that Utley was probably a better player than Pedroia from ages 33-39.

YMMV

happy motoring!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 04, 2021, 05:06:45 PM
God but I yearn for tne days of Nomar/Jeter debates.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 04, 2021, 05:10:59 PM
God but I yearn for tne days of Nomar/Jeter debates.

I too wish for a return to the simpler times of some 20+ years ago, where I didn't wake up every 3 hours to...

TMI 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 05, 2021, 11:18:05 AM
Bauer proposal for the Mets: https://nypost.com/2021/02/04/the-only-contract-mets-should-use-to-sign-trevor-bauer/ (https://nypost.com/2021/02/04/the-only-contract-mets-should-use-to-sign-trevor-bauer/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 05, 2021, 03:57:36 PM
Legitimate NL contenders if Bauer signs

And at any price this is good enough for me

1-40
3-100+
More years

whatever.

Cant miss TV times 2, with DeGrom.  I would expect in their 60 starts we win 36-42 of them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 05, 2021, 05:30:34 PM
Legitimate NL contenders if Bauer signs

And at any price this is good enough for me

1-40
3-100+
More years

whatever.

Cant miss TV times 2, with DeGrom.  I would expect in their 60 starts we win 36-42 of them.

Yahoo Sports
Report: Trevor Bauer signs with defending champion Dodgers, spurning Mets
Tim Brown and Yahoo Sports Staff
Fri, February 5, 2021, 2:58 PM


More content below


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Los Angeles Dodgers

New York Mets

Trevor Bauer

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At the end of a free agency that was occasionally transparent and with hints of carnival barker, Trevor Bauer on Friday reportedly came to terms on a three-year, $102 million deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers. MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand reports the deal, which pays Bauer $40 million in 2021 and $45 million in 2022, will make him the highest-paid player in MLB.

The deal reportedly includes opt-outs after the first and second seasons.

Jon Heyman first reported the agreement. The deal is contingent upon Bauer passing a physical.

Bauer also tweeted revealing his “new home.” Bauer grew up in Southern California and attended UCLA.


https://sports.yahoo.com/report-trevor-bauer-signs-with-dodgers-spurning-mets-195856255.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-trevor-bauer-signs-with-dodgers-spurning-mets-195856255.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 05, 2021, 05:57:46 PM
Wow - figured iit might be Toronto

I dont know if Bauer had any preference for NL over AL

But at 40, thern decide - and 45, then again decide - thus 85 mil guarantee over two - betting on himself - thats a ton for LA.

Would I have matched if I was NYM?  Typically no.  Dont really like being the market setter.  But would have been nice to have him in NY.

Wonder who is next on the list.  What do we do, if anything with the 30+ we would have given TB this year?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 05, 2021, 06:03:30 PM
He likely used the Mets for leverage in order to stay in California. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 05, 2021, 06:12:55 PM
Tracker

https://www.espn.com/mlb/freeagents

At their prices, DeSclafani, Morton and Minor were good signs

Couple of guys named Arrietta and Hamels still on the board.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 11:47:59 AM
NYPOST:
Hence we rank the offseason by divisions. Not so much by perceived savvy as by sheer effort. Which divisions are the most compelling because all or enough of their members have behaved like they actually want to win this year? From most exciting to least, here you go:

1. NL East



Yep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 07, 2021, 12:38:06 PM
No doubt. Every team in that division can win it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 07, 2021, 05:27:48 PM
No doubt. Every team in that division can win it.

And nobody likes anybody.

Could be fun, if the Commissioner doesn't keep fucking up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 08, 2021, 04:00:12 PM
Major League Baseball is planning small changes to the baseball in an effort to reduce the wild year-to-year fluctuations in home run rate, report The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal and Eno Sarris. Last week MLB issued a memo to front offices outlining the planned changes, which are intended to deaden the ball.

Here are the gory details, from Rosenthal and Sarris:

"In an effort to center the ball with the specification range for COR and CCOR, Rawlings produced a number of baseballs from late 2019 through early 2020 that loosened the tension of the first wool winding," the memo from the office of the commissioner reads, explaining that this change had two effects — reducing the weight of the ball by less than one-tenth of an ounce, and also a slight decrease in the bounciness of the ball as measured by the COR and CCOR.

COR is the coefficient of restitution, or the relationship of the incoming speed to the outgoing speed. So, in other words, this new ball will be less bouncy.

Small changes add up. As Rosenthal and Sarris note, the Korea Baseball Organization increased the weight of its baseball less than one-twentieth of an ounce and moved the COR roughly 0.01 in 2019, and the result was a 33% decrease in home runs. That said, the KBO increased the weight of its ball, and MLB's memo indicates it will reduce the weight of its ball.
 


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-planning-changes-to-the-baseball-in-effort-to-reduce-home-run-rate-fluctuation-per-report/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-planning-changes-to-the-baseball-in-effort-to-reduce-home-run-rate-fluctuation-per-report/)

Maybe MLB can get TB12 to deflate the baseballs, now that his off-season has begun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 08, 2021, 04:23:23 PM
Baseballs are not inflatable.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 08, 2021, 06:42:17 PM
Baseballs are not inflatable.

Humor is not your thing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 09, 2021, 08:52:51 AM
Baseballs are not inflatable.

Humor is not your thing.
Nor yours. Which was my point.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2021, 12:56:49 PM
Baseballs are not inflatable.

Humor is not your thing.
Nor yours. Which was my point.

Thanks for proving MY point.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2021, 01:07:25 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/jonathan-villar-mets-deal (https://www.mlb.com/news/jonathan-villar-mets-deal)

Throughout the past decade, the Mets have often invested relatively little in their bench, leaving them exposed to injuries and other maladies.

Not so this year. Days after agreeing to terms with veteran outfielder Albert Almora Jr., the Mets struck a similar Major League agreement with utility man Jonathan Villar, according to a source. The Mets have not confirmed the contract, which is worth $3.55 million plus incentives.

When it becomes official, the deal will give the Mets needed depth behind their starters at second base, third base, shortstop, left and center field. Villar has played all those positions throughout his eight-year career, serving mostly as a middle infielder but providing versatility elsewhere.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2021, 01:11:36 PM
The protocols of the meddlers:

The rules on the field will remain the same as a year ago, except no universal designated hitter, at least for now. Doubleheaders will be seven innings instead of nine, and extra innings will begin with runners on second base.

Spring training games until March 13 may also be shortened to five-inning or seven-inning games if agreed upon by both managers, and the completion of innings will not be required if a pitcher has thrown at least 20 pitches. Pitchers will also be permitted to re-enter games after being removed during spring training.


The league is cracking down on player/manager-umpire interactions during games, stating that "players or managers who leave their positions to argue with umpires, come within six feet of an umpire or opposing player or manager for the purpose of argument, or engage in altercations on the field are subject to immediate ejection and discipline, including fines and suspensions."


Stay back, I'm warning you!!!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2021/02/09/mlb-new-covid-19-protocols-suspension/4449358001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2021/02/09/mlb-new-covid-19-protocols-suspension/4449358001/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2021, 01:18:28 PM
RIP, Pedro Gomez.

From a piece on his passing: He wrote a scathing column about Curt Schilling that ran the day Schilling was scheduled to pitch Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, calling out the Diamondbacks pitcher for throwing manager Bob Brenly under the bus days earlier.

Gomez wrote, “The past few days also have offered the country insight into Schilling’s little secret, the one baseball insiders have known for years, but one that has rarely surfaced publicly.

“Schilling is something of a con man, someone more intent on polishing his image through whatever means available,
which usually has meant attaching himself to certain members of the media and leaking insights he wants in the open.”

“That column earned him nationwide respect,” said Mark Gonzales, The Republic’s Diamondbacks writer at the time who worked alongside Gomez dating back to their days together in the Bay Area in the 1990s. “When you’re covering a World Series that involves the team you cover, you’re on the big stage and you better bring it because everybody is reading you. I don’t think Pedro disappointed anyone among his brethren.”


https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/diamondbacks/2021/02/08/former-republic-columnist-pedro-gomez-dies-58/4432401001/ (https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/mlb/diamondbacks/2021/02/08/former-republic-columnist-pedro-gomez-dies-58/4432401001/)


Nailed it, Pedro.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 09, 2021, 04:28:04 PM
Baseballs are not inflatable.

Humor is not your thing.
Nor yours. Which was my point.

Thanks for proving MY point.
Typical comeback from you, REDSTATEWARD.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2021, 05:19:03 PM
Baseballs are not inflatable.

Humor is not your thing.
Nor yours. Which was my point.

Thanks for proving MY point.
Typical comeback from you, REDSTATEWARD.

LOL!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 09, 2021, 07:04:07 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/jonathan-villar-mets-deal (https://www.mlb.com/news/jonathan-villar-mets-deal)

Throughout the past decade, the Mets have often invested relatively little in their bench, leaving them exposed to injuries and other maladies.

Not so this year. Days after agreeing to terms with veteran outfielder Albert Almora Jr., the Mets struck a similar Major League agreement with utility man Jonathan Villar, according to a source. The Mets have not confirmed the contract, which is worth $3.55 million plus incentives.

When it becomes official, the deal will give the Mets needed depth behind their starters at second base, third base, shortstop, left and center field. Villar has played all those positions throughout his eight-year career, serving mostly as a middle infielder but providing versatility elsewhere.


Whiff machine

But he can run.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 09, 2021, 07:09:34 PM
I like the Almora add
I think with McCann and Luchessi coming in Mets were getting a bit too white.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on February 10, 2021, 09:51:23 PM
Benitendi to Royals?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on February 10, 2021, 10:09:12 PM
being reported as a 3-way with the KC and Mets.

Sox getting back an OF from KC and a pitching prospect rom Mets

seems like sell low

adios 10-D

we'll always have '18 and those unfuckingreal catches
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 11, 2021, 12:02:40 AM
That deal may keep me in Sox corner another year

heh

But I will surely have an eye on the Indians build more than Boston
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 11, 2021, 02:27:34 PM
Details:
Here's the deal in an easier format to process:

Red Sox receive: OF Franchy Cordero, RHP Josh Winchowski, three players to be named (two from Royals)

Royals receive: OF Andrew Benintendi

Mets receive: OF Khalil Lee


https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/andrew-benintendi-trade-red-sox-mets-royals-make-three-team-swap-sending-outfielder-to-kansas-city/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/andrew-benintendi-trade-red-sox-mets-royals-make-three-team-swap-sending-outfielder-to-kansas-city/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 11, 2021, 02:33:47 PM
Dead Sox.

Former Red Sox outfielder Billy Conigliaro has passed away at age 73, the team announced Wednesday.


https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/red-sox/former-red-sox-outfielder-billy-conigliaro-dies-at-age-73 (https://www.radio.com/weei/sports/red-sox/former-red-sox-outfielder-billy-conigliaro-dies-at-age-73)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 11, 2021, 02:41:51 PM
True story of the professional debut of a 12-year old boy: https://www.mlb.com/news/youngest-player-in-baseball-history?t=offbeat (https://www.mlb.com/news/youngest-player-in-baseball-history?t=offbeat)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 12, 2021, 12:46:35 PM
2021 NLE predictions from MLB.com writers. The predictions have the same value as usual:

DiComo: 1. Braves 2. Mets 3. Nationals 4. Phillies 5. Marlins. (Sorry, PECOTA.)

Bowman: 1. Braves 2. Mets 3. Nationals 4. Phillies 5. Marlins

Zolecki: 1. Braves 2. Mets 3. Nationals 4. Phillies 5. Marlins

De Nicola: I'll be bold and go with: 1. Braves 2. Nationals 3. Mets 4. Marlins 5. Phillies

Camerato: I'll go with big seasons from Scherzer and Soto here: 1. Braves 2. Nationals 3. Mets 4. Phillies 5. Marlins



https://www.mlb.com/news/experts-make-nl-east-predictions (https://www.mlb.com/news/experts-make-nl-east-predictions)

Predictions from last January on that website: 

New York Mets: 93-69
Atlanta Braves: 90-72
Washington Nationals: 85-77
Philadelphia Phillies: 81-81
Miami Marlins: 67-95

Of course, last season* wasn't really a season, and the final standings were:
ATL
FLA
PHL
NYM
WAS

Personally, I think the Mets deep pockets will allow them to make the adjustments they need to make come the trade deadline, whenever that will truly be, so I think they have a decided edge over other teams.

Only time will tell, as we all know that injuries, weather, Covid-19, etc., will all do things to each team that no one anticipated.

Nonetheless, I am still getting that old spring feeling coming on, when hope springs eternal before reality crushes it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 12, 2021, 12:49:43 PM
Tampa Bay Rays fans have not forgotten manager Kevin Cash’s decision to remove Blake Snell from Game 6 of the 2020 World Series against the Dodgers – and apparently neither has the person running the Wendy’s Twitter account.

The Wendy’s account, which has gained a bit of a reputation for being savage on Twitter, decided Thursday was “National Roast Day.” To celebrate, they invited Twitter users to reply “Roast Me” to “feel the burn.”

The Tampa Bay Rays decided to step up to the plate and responded saying, “Go ahead, Wendy. Absolutely roast us. Keep it spicy like your nuggs.”

It’s safe to say Wendy’s did, indeed, “keep it spicy.”

“We’re surprised you didn’t pull your social media manager in middle of writing that great tweet,” Wendy’s responded.


OUCH!

https://www.wfla.com/sports/rays/wendys-roasts-rays-for-pulling-blake-snell-in-world-series/ (https://www.wfla.com/sports/rays/wendys-roasts-rays-for-pulling-blake-snell-in-world-series/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 16, 2021, 07:57:34 PM
Sox make a deal: https://nesn.com/2021/02/red-sox-hirokazu-sawamura-contract-details/ (https://nesn.com/2021/02/red-sox-hirokazu-sawamura-contract-details/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 16, 2021, 10:01:46 PM
I am going to guess he doesnt throw upper 90s.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 17, 2021, 07:38:35 AM
I am going to guess he doesnt throw upper 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B0Sjva5rIo&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B0Sjva5rIo&feature=emb_logo)

You have to like the movement on his pitches.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 17, 2021, 12:42:21 PM
Let's go bets?

https://nypost.com/2021/02/16/mets-most-popular-world-series-bet-by-a-wide-margin/ (https://nypost.com/2021/02/16/mets-most-popular-world-series-bet-by-a-wide-margin/)

P.T. Barnum will never be wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 17, 2021, 04:59:39 PM
Don't think he was hired to teaching this kind of "hitting".

The New York Mets once again find themselves in headlines for all the wrong reasons, as the Athletic has reported on another incident that involves a former employee’s conduct against women.

According to the report, three women came to the Mets in the summer of 2018 to complain to the human resources department about Ryan Ellis, the hitting performance coordinator. Ellis made these women feel uncomfortable at work with his predatory behavior, as he would make off-handed comments such as telling one woman, “I stare at your ass all the time. If only I could have 15 minutes alone with you.”


https://metsmerizedonline.com/2021/02/former-mets-hitting-coordinator-ryan-ellis-accused-of-sexual-harassment.html/ (https://metsmerizedonline.com/2021/02/former-mets-hitting-coordinator-ryan-ellis-accused-of-sexual-harassment.html/)

So, um...2 1/2 years ago?

Come on, Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 17, 2021, 07:32:12 PM
Handled in house at the time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 18, 2021, 04:47:04 PM
Handled in house at the time.

By "handled in house", you mean swept under the rug.

Got it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 18, 2021, 04:52:47 PM
Cha-ching!

Nothing like deferred compensation!

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-mets-will-still-be-paying-bobby-bonilla-after-fernando-tatis-jrs-14-year-deal-ends-164451048.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/the-mets-will-still-be-paying-bobby-bonilla-after-fernando-tatis-jrs-14-year-deal-ends-164451048.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 18, 2021, 05:31:41 PM
Handled in house at the time.

By "handled in house", you mean swept under the rug.

Got it.

Employee was disciplined and went to counseling
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 18, 2021, 05:32:36 PM
I am going to guess he doesnt throw upper 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B0Sjva5rIo&feature=emb_logo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9B0Sjva5rIo&feature=emb_logo)

You have to like the movement on his pitches.

Thanks for the clip

He's good.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 18, 2021, 09:15:57 PM
Handled in house at the time.

By "handled in house", you mean swept under the rug.

Got it.

Now write, 100 times, "I will not get caught harassing female employees again."

Employee was disciplined and went to counseling
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 19, 2021, 08:59:11 AM
Handled in house at the time.

By "handled in house", you mean swept under the rug.

Got it.

Now write, 100 times, "I will not get caught harassing female employees again."

Employee was disciplined and went to counseling

This harrassment of women in the Mets organization has a long history.

In 1998, Mets GM Steve Phillips admitted having sex with a Mets employee. She sued for sexual harassment, and the case was settled out of court.

Mickey Calloway. Ryan Ellis.

And you may remember this, too: https://slate.com/culture/2020/01/mets-rape-accusation-spring-training-1991.html (https://slate.com/culture/2020/01/mets-rape-accusation-spring-training-1991.html)
 

And what about this? Wilpons had to settle a case out of court for gender discrimination.
 https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/sports/baseball/mets-settle-case-with-executive-who-cited-discrimination-over-pregnancy.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/14/sports/baseball/mets-settle-case-with-executive-who-cited-discrimination-over-pregnancy.html)



There is something in the Mets "culture" that leads to this kind of thing, it seems.

But maybe Steve Cohen isn't the one to lead such change: In the months since Steven A. Cohen became the owner of the Mets, he has been everything he never was as one of Wall Street’s most secretive money managers: affable and accessible.

Mr. Cohen has given news conferences and numerous interviews to the New York sports media — something he rarely did with the business reporters who chronicled every twist and turn in an insider trading scandal that led to one of his multibillion-dollar hedge funds pleading guilty to securities fraud charges in 2013.

And he has become something of a fan favorite on Twitter — frequently posting his thoughts on the Mets and about trades by other professional baseball teams. Mr. Cohen, 64, even seems to take joy in the back and forth with fans who have replied to him on Twitter.

But at his hedge funds, Mr. Cohen has long been known for a mercurial nature that has prompted him to lash out at traders he believes are not making him enough money. Now a recently unsealed gender discrimination complaint filed by a former top manager for Mr. Cohen offers a glimpse into his volatile temper and what some women have said is an openly sexist and hostile culture at his Point72 Asset Management hedge fund company, which is based in Stamford, Conn.


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/05/sports/baseball/steven-cohen-mets-gender-discrimination.html

Fathers, don't let your daughters grow up to be Mets Fans. And especially not employees of the Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 19, 2021, 03:03:53 PM
https://www.tmz.com/2021/02/19/johnny-damon-arrested-for-dui-in-florida/ (https://www.tmz.com/2021/02/19/johnny-damon-arrested-for-dui-in-florida/)


He's no Bruce Springsteen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 22, 2021, 06:10:24 PM
Fernando Tatis Jr for James Shields, revisited


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/04/how-did-the-white-sox-trade-fernando-tatis-jr.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 23, 2021, 08:28:32 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2932981-kevin-mather-resigns-as-mariners-president-following-inappropriate-comments

The stupid comments on international players are probably not the things that will have the longest ramifications for MLB that Mather talked about. Rather, it will be his admission to manipulating service time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 23, 2021, 10:35:37 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2932981-kevin-mather-resigns-as-mariners-president-following-inappropriate-comments

The stupid comments on international players are probably not the things that will have the longest ramifications for MLB that Mather talked about. Rather, it will be his admission to manipulating service time.

Here's a good piece that should make all of MLB, especially its rogue commissioner, pause and reflect.

AS IF.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/gabe-lacques/2021/02/21/mariners-kevin-mather-rotary-club-speech-problem-mlb/4536961001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/gabe-lacques/2021/02/21/mariners-kevin-mather-rotary-club-speech-problem-mlb/4536961001/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 23, 2021, 11:43:45 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2932981-kevin-mather-resigns-as-mariners-president-following-inappropriate-comments

The stupid comments on international players are probably not the things that will have the longest ramifications for MLB that Mather talked about. Rather, it will be his admission to manipulating service time.

What everyone knows is occurring in just about every organization.

Do you have a proposed fix?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 28, 2021, 08:04:33 PM
Good news! https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933828-orioles-trey-mancini-gets-standing-ovation-in-1st-at-bat-since-cancer-recovery?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933828-orioles-trey-mancini-gets-standing-ovation-in-1st-at-bat-since-cancer-recovery?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 01, 2021, 11:09:16 AM
Good news! https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933828-orioles-trey-mancini-gets-standing-ovation-in-1st-at-bat-since-cancer-recovery?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2933828-orioles-trey-mancini-gets-standing-ovation-in-1st-at-bat-since-cancer-recovery?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial)

Good news, indeed.

And having games being played is, as well - I look forward to watching some Spring Training baseball!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 01, 2021, 12:48:40 PM
Mic'd up Bryce Harper: https://twitter.com/Phillies/status/1366430782433198080?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Phillies/status/1366430782433198080?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 02, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/03/02/son-accuses-terry-francona-of-covering-up-for-mickey-callaway/ (https://nypost.com/2021/03/02/son-accuses-terry-francona-of-covering-up-for-mickey-callaway/)

Dick-Pic Mick...

Cleveland fucked up.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 06, 2021, 12:53:22 PM
https://www.mlb.com/redsox/news/red-sox-on-jackie-bradley-jr-and-future-of-outfield

Goodbye, JBJ - I think our management screwed up in letting you get away, but I wish you all the best and will watch for your highlight reel plays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 06, 2021, 02:08:52 PM
Excellent spot for Jackie


Too bad Mets already had their fill of LHH outfielders.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 06, 2021, 06:04:04 PM
So..uh...will Aaron Boone be able to keep...uh...pace with the Yankees this year?

Seriously, good luck to Bob's son.

Also, RIP. Joe Altobelli.

And what's the Story with Trevor Story? Will he end up a Marlin?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 07, 2021, 12:38:33 PM
And what's the Story with Trevor Story? Will he end up a Marlin?


Dont know.  How good is Kim Ng?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 07, 2021, 06:10:05 PM
And what's the Story with Trevor Story? Will he end up a Marlin?


Dont know.  How good is Kim Ng?

Today's shortstops want to play for their hero, Mr. Jeter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 07, 2021, 06:36:34 PM
Do you have an offer in mind?


Are you including Devers or Chisholm?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 07, 2021, 06:41:11 PM
And what's the Story with Trevor Story? Will he end up a Marlin?


Dont know.  How good is Kim Ng?

Today's shortstops want to play for their hero, Mr. Jeter.Benjamin.
fify.

Though not just today's players. Ever since they gained the right to make their own decisions regarding where they play. They may gussie it up on the telling, and certainly some times there are other factors involved, but generally follow the money. I have, by the way, no problem with this. Except for Jim Thome. Lying bastard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2021, 08:29:40 AM
Amazing stat of the day

Who are the top 4 players in MLB slugging percentage through age 21?

Hint:. #4 is a current guy and recent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 08, 2021, 10:25:02 AM
Amazing stat of the day

Who are the top 4 players in MLB slugging percentage through age 21?

Hint:. #4 is a current guy and recent.

I would have guessed Harper for the last. Maybe Mantle, Kaline, and Tony C?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2021, 10:46:22 AM
Nah - 3 older guys

And by recent I mean (new hint) the guy did it through last season (when he hit over .350)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2021, 10:48:18 AM
I will also say that SOMEHOW Freddie Freeman, Mookie Betts, Manny Machado and Fernando Tatis, Jr rated above him in MVP race

Oy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2021, 10:57:48 AM
Mantle through age 21

Year   Tm   G   PA   AB   R   H   2B   3B   HR   RBI   SB   CS   BB   SO   BA   OBP   SLG   OPS   OPS+   TB   GDP   HBP   SH   SF   IBB
1951-1953   NYY   365   1552   1351   260   398   72   15   57   244   20   12   197   275   .295   .384   .497   .881   145   671   10   0   4      15
Average   122   517   450   87   133   24   5   19   81   7   4   66   92                  224   3   0   1      5
per 162 games   163   690   600   116   177   32   7   26   109   9   6   88   123                  298   5   0   2   7
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 08, 2021, 11:19:32 AM
Amazing stat of the day

Who are the top 4 players in MLB slugging percentage through age 21?

Hint:. #4 is a current guy and recent.

 For #4...

Acuna? Soto? Bellinger? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2021, 11:45:29 AM
Juan Soto.  Yep.


,557 SLG over 3 seasons (though less than 320 games)

Had a higher batting average, on base AND slugging than all 4 guys ahead of him in the MVP voting
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2021, 11:47:57 AM
Deciding on fantasy baseball this year

It allows me to keep track of players, surely.  But of course time consuinmg if you want to be competitive.

I guess GGHF is cooked.  Good 20-year run- of which I am proud,
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2021, 11:51:20 AM
Deciding on fantasy baseball this year

It allows me to keep track of players, surely.  But of course time consuinmg if you want to be competitive.

I guess GGHF is cooked.  Good 20-year run- of which I am proud,
Well, I am.stl there dammit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 08, 2021, 12:58:54 PM
heh

just checked my team from last year

Happy tos ee I had Trout

Wolfpack resigned.  League is down to at most seven.  Are you taking it over?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 08, 2021, 08:07:25 PM
Juan Soto.  Yep.


,557 SLG over 3 seasons (though less than 320 games)

Had a higher batting average, on base AND slugging than all 4 guys ahead of him in the MVP voting

Now, if he can learn to play better outfield defense, that will move him up the ladder to complete star status.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 13, 2021, 08:46:03 AM
Still fucking with the game:. https://www.mlb.com/news/baseball-rule-changes-tested-in-minor-leagues-in-2021 (https://www.mlb.com/news/baseball-rule-changes-tested-in-minor-leagues-in-2021)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2021, 03:21:01 PM
I like the stealing first base rule

"Well, you have to have a catcher.  Otherwise the ball would go all the way to the backstop"

- Stengel
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 16, 2021, 04:02:09 PM
BoSox new owner: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner)

Guess he didn't want to be in Cleveland.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 16, 2021, 04:59:49 PM
BoSox new owner: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner)

Guess he didn't want to be in Cleveland.
He was always adamant he is from Akron. And a Yankees fan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 16, 2021, 07:01:56 PM
BoSox new owner: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner)

Guess he didn't want to be in Cleveland.
He was always adamant he is from Akron. And a Yankees fan.

Well, then this will be a test of his loyalties.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2021, 08:50:18 PM
Pick three

Albies
Mondesi
Hoskins
Conforto
Y Alvarez
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2021, 08:51:18 PM
BoSox new owner: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31076745/source-lebron-james-becomes-part-owner-boston-red-sox-joins-fenway-sports-group-partner)

Guess he didn't want to be in Cleveland.
He was always adamant he is from Akron. And a Yankees fan.

Well, then this will be a test of his loyalties.

All about LIVERPOOL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2021, 08:56:18 PM
Re:  Indians

I flip on the game today - good expected duel - Canning vs Bieber

And some cat named ROSARIO muffs a 2-out fly ball to center allowing Ohtani and Trout to score - and messing with the Shaner's workload.

Hadnt heard AHMED was being used in the OF.  Big BOOOO from here.

----

And an incredible sight in the Cards - Mets tilt yesterday -Jordan Hicks hit 101 on the gun - wasnt hurt - but left after one batter

Why, you ask?

He threw EIGHTEEN strikes and just 4 balls.  But there were SIXTEEN foul balls - a 22 pitch at bat - and an eventual WALK to Luis Guillorme.

Incredible.  Mets dugout going nuts.  And Cards manager laughing under his mask as he went to get the ball.

(For the record, pitch 20 was a strike  - heh)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 16, 2021, 09:48:26 PM
Laughing my ass off today - whoeverw as doing the Mets telecast opposite Darling and Hernandez - coming out with this doozy when discussing Rockies possibly dealing Trevor Story -

"well, after getting next to nothing for Arenado........."

Heh

Here are the 5 players - one a developed big league SP, 2 third rounders and a young possible replacment third sacker down the line

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=gil---000mat
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=monter000ele
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=sommer000jak
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=locey-000ton
https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=gomber000aus
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 16, 2021, 10:46:25 PM
Re:  Indians

I flip on the game today - good expected duel - Canning vs Bieber

And some cat named ROSARIO muffs a 2-out fly ball to center allowing Ohtani and Trout to score - and messing with the Shaner's workload.

Hadnt heard AHMED was being used in the OF.  Big BOOOO from here.
Well, our outfielders blow. Gimenez, Hernandez and Ramirez have the infield sewn up, so the more positions he can play the more his chances to play.

It was his first real game there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2021, 01:33:44 AM
Gimenez, Hernandez and Ramirez have the infield sewn up


Wow - really?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 17, 2021, 11:00:40 AM
Gimenez, Hernandez and Ramirez have the infield sewn up


Wow - really?
Well, Ramirez was an MVP candidate at third and they aren't paying Hernandez to sit. And IIRC Gimenez beat out Rosario last year too. Why the surprise?

Centerfield is open, and it is supposedly the easiest OF position to learn, provided you can run. Seriously, the outfield is a dumpster fire. Take a good athlete and give him a shot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2021, 03:17:24 PM
Mets liked Ahmed's bat and needed a RH hitting OF.

Says all you need to know.

Hernandez came up to Philly as a CF.

And the Rosario-Gimenez combo at SS-2B already has many innings logged.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 17, 2021, 04:31:32 PM
And whoever says playing CF is the easiest outfield position to learn to play, never played outfield, let alone CF.

Which is no surprise. Ignorance of the game runs is endemic to the Cleveland fan base.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2021, 04:43:39 PM
RE:  "all that money" and Hernandez

not sure if Whisk was trying to be funny but its a 1 year 5 mil pact with a team option
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 18, 2021, 05:41:39 AM
And whoever says playing CF is the easiest outfield position to learn to play, never played outfield, let alone CF.

Which is no surprise. Ignorance of the game runs is endemic to the Cleveland fan base.
Actually, he played over 200 games in the outfield in a 9 year MLB career. In addition to being a pretty successful manager everywhere he has been outside of time spent managing in an east coast shit hole with a drunken, violent, racist, Santa Claus hating fan base.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 18, 2021, 05:43:33 AM
RE:  "all that money" and Hernandez

not sure if Whisk was trying to be funny but its a 1 year 5 mil pact with a team option
For the Indians, that is a lot of money.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 21, 2021, 07:01:57 PM
Happy spring!!!


https://www.facebook.com/thebsblr/videos/862106423977714
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 23, 2021, 04:41:33 PM
Fantasy draft tonight

Anyone want in?  URBANSHOCK running the show in year 20.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 29, 2021, 03:30:06 PM
Make your predictions for 2021 season, everyone. Season starts Thursday!


Here's something to prime the wheels of baseball cognition: https://www.mlb.com/news/bold-predictions-for-all-30-mlb-teams-for-2021-season (https://www.mlb.com/news/bold-predictions-for-all-30-mlb-teams-for-2021-season)

This I'd like to see: Cleveland Indians. At least three starters toss 200 innings.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 30, 2021, 07:35:34 AM
I'll go with

ALE 1. Yanks 2. BJ's

ALC. 1.White Sox. 2. Twins

ALW 1. Angels.  2. A's

NLW 1. LAD.  2. Padres

NLC. 1. Cards. 2. Brew Crew

NLE. 1. Braves. 2. Nats


WS--- Padres over ChiSox

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 30, 2021, 11:57:20 AM
I'll go with

ALE 1. Yanks 2. BJ's

ALC. 1.White Sox. 2. Twins

ALW 1. Angels.  2. A's

NLW 1. LAD.  2. Padres

NLC. 1. Cards. 2. Brew Crew

NLE. 1. Braves. 2. Nats


WS--- Padres over ChiSox

Its OHTANI time

Dodgers over Angels
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 31, 2021, 04:39:29 PM
Best Mets prospect to never play for the club:



https://vault.si.com/vault/2013/04/01/the-best-player-you-never-saw?fbclid=IwAR2Fe05NcCrGsvylis8syN4KvIJ_1sECd2RE2UA8PJrqvzqkI4bxpBVfsLI


Rest in peace, Brian.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 31, 2021, 04:52:59 PM
Guess the Red Sox Nation has collapsed.

None of its citizens are in sight.


 Team must really suck this year.

Can you say, "frontrunners"?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2021, 07:23:53 PM
I've been a proud Sox fan and front-runner since 1957.

I've modest expectations this year.

I just hope I watch more baseball in '21 than I did in '20*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 31, 2021, 07:52:13 PM
Ahhh...I knew we'd flush one out. Any predictions for the so far unasterisked season, banks?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2021, 11:24:08 PM
Ahhh...I knew we'd flush one out. Any predictions for the so far unasterisked season, banks?

I predict Francisco Lindor will sign with the Mets for about 10/341 million contract before opening day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 31, 2021, 11:27:45 PM
Bank's sour - and embarrassed that his building block TENDI got sent packing
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on March 31, 2021, 11:37:47 PM
Bank's is not sour and really doesn't give 2 shits.

HEH
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2021, 11:36:53 AM
Happy Opening Day, folks!

Please play along

ATL (Fried) over PHI (Nola)        +109
MIN (Maeda) over MIL (Woodruff)   -101
TAM (Glasnow) over MIA (Alcantara)   -140

Parlay -   SD (-230), NYY (-180), CHC (-210). BOS (-165)

All bets $50.    Tallies will be Sunday nights/Monday mornings


https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2021, 11:57:04 AM
Mets-Nats getting a late start

COVID worriers can start with the I told you so's

Yankguy doesnt think there will be a season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 01, 2021, 12:08:48 PM
I could either start a list of everything that Kid's been wrong about OR not bother.  Not bothering is the way to go as there's only 24-hours in a day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 01, 2021, 12:19:11 PM
So Lindor gets the 10 year mega deal and the SI cover.

Know what that means, Mets fans?

It means he's out for the season by July 1.

Meanwhile, Nats just cancelled opener due to Covid issues.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2021, 12:35:24 PM
It means he's out for the season by July 1.


I miss Rosario already
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 01, 2021, 12:50:02 PM
Sox-Os rained out

kid must have settled up with Vinnie and Rocco

that Biden relief check came in handy


Post-season predictions

The Twins snap their 18 game post-season losing streak and finally beat the Ys


FINAL FOUR

AL
 Yankees-Twins

NL

 Dodgers-Pads

WS

 Dodgers over Twins ('65 redux)



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 01, 2021, 05:44:24 PM
Cole blows lead, Yanks lose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2021, 07:24:59 PM
At issue is the newly implemented tie break rule and why Yanks didn't bunt runner to third

Yanks lose first chess game of '21

Jays relievers throw nasty gas.  Got the fantasy win with Romano.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 10:36:03 AM
 Phillies ring the bell!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1343029559525068803/d6jMQmnJ.jpg)

Always good to win the opener. Always great to beat the Braves!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 11:07:02 AM
Quinn throws out Albies at home on a 284 foot fly ball to CF to end top 10.  Phils then advance Harper to third (REalmuto ground ball to 2B) and Segura 2 out drive down the LF line plates the winner. 
note:  I had previously dropped Segura from my fantasy team.  May add him back.

I do not LIKE(as not in favor)  that MLB has instituted the tie break rules for tenth inning on.  But it sure does add some spice to managing/critiquing managing - and the required skillsets of players in moving runners/defending scoring plays in tight games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 11:08:37 AM
Cole blows lead, Yanks lose.


BOMB by T Hernandez on a hanging breaking pitch delivered by Cole, who was very impressive.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 11:37:14 AM
Cole blows lead, Yanks lose.


BOMB by T Hernandez on a hanging breaking pitch delivered by Cole, who was very impressive.

Yes, hung that one, but Cole was being worked for long counts by the BJ's throughout the game. He really relies a lot on the FB being located well to set up his other pitches. But yesterday his control was a little off. A little off for him, though, is what a lot of pitchers would like to be able to say.

Aaron Nola was very impressive and threw one bad (his 85th) pitch that put the game into extras. Out-pitched Fried.

Umps had their first blown call of the season as Harper was not out going from first to third, but he did later score the winning run on Jean Segura-victory's base hit.

Must have been the cleats: https://thespun.com/more/mlb/bryce-harper-opening-day-viral-philly-phanatic-cleats (https://thespun.com/more/mlb/bryce-harper-opening-day-viral-philly-phanatic-cleats)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 12:29:54 PM
MLB picks  4/2


Seattle   -115
Tampa    -105

Parlay
LAD   -240
SD     -220

https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/?s=526
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 02:29:31 PM
Covid by-product: Jacob deGrom will pitch what will now be the Mets' first game of the season on Monday against the Phillies in Philadelphia at 7:05 p.m. on SNY.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 02:59:57 PM
Carton on the FAN going nuts on how Mets were screwed.  Partner Roberts thinks MLB should have allowed the games to go on, with replacement players at the ready by design.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 04:02:00 PM
MLB just pulled the ASG and the Draft from Atlanta. No new site chosen, yet.

May I suggest Philadelphia, Birthplace of American Freedom?

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/02/major-league-baseball-pulls-2021-all-star-game-out-of-atlanta-due-to-the-states-new-restrictive-voting-law.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/02/major-league-baseball-pulls-2021-all-star-game-out-of-atlanta-due-to-the-states-new-restrictive-voting-law.html)

“Major League Baseball fundamentally supports voting rights for all Americans and opposes restrictions to the ballot box,” Manfred said. “In 2020, MLB became the first professional sports league to join the non-partisan Civic Alliance to help build a future in which everyone participates in shaping the United States. We proudly used our platform to encourage baseball fans and communities throughout our country to perform their civic duty and actively participate in the voting process. Fair access to voting continues to have our game’s unwavering support.”
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 04:33:58 PM
John Means Business as he is tore some holes in the Red Sox:

7IP 0R 1H retired the last 18 in a row.

2-0 O's with two to play.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 04:36:03 PM
And they may take him out....

sick.

Matt Harvey tomorrow.  O's 1-2 punch - heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 04:43:44 PM
Now, 3-0. O's still batting in the 8th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 04:59:37 PM
And they may take him out....

sick.

Matt Harvey tomorrow.  O's 1-2 punch - heh

Now the reliever cant hit the broad side of a fuckin barn

2 bad teams
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 05:00:20 PM
Sox get 2 on, with 2 walks, but fail to score.

Go to the ninth.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 05:20:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDrLcPxSBRk

Finns are funn
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 05:24:32 PM
Baltimore is in first place.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2021, 05:31:01 PM
MLB pulls ASG from Atlanta

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31183822/mlb-moving-all-star-game-atlanta-georgia-voting-law (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31183822/mlb-moving-all-star-game-atlanta-georgia-voting-law)

Major League Baseball announced Friday that it is moving the 2021 All-Star Game out of Atlanta in response to a new Georgia law that has civil rights groups concerned about its potential to restrict voting access for people of color.

"Over the last week, we have engaged in thoughtful conversations with Clubs, former and current players, the Players Association, and The Players Alliance, among others, to listen to their views," Manfred said in his statement. "I have decided that the best way to demonstrate our values as a sport is by relocating this year's All-Star Game and MLB Draft.

"Major League Baseball fundamentally supports voting rights for all Americans and opposes restrictions to the ballot box. In 2020, MLB became the first professional sports league to join the non-partisan Civic Alliance to help build a future in which everyone participates in shaping the United States. We proudly used our platform to encourage baseball fans and communities throughout our country to perform their civic duty and actively participate in the voting process. Fair access to voting continues to have our game's unwavering support."

MLB got it right.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 05:32:05 PM
Manfred:

"Over the last week we have engaged in thoughtful conversations with clubs, former and current players, The Players Association, and The Player's Alliance (??).... to listen to their views.  I HAVE DECIDED......"


Listened to both sides, did ya?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 02, 2021, 05:35:30 PM
At some point kid you may see the benefit of being on the right side of an issue and move from the 18th century to the 21st.

But as you drag your feet others will leave you in the dust and move forward.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 05:43:55 PM
My guess is we do NOT hear from Freddie Freeman today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 05:49:49 PM
The Player's Alliance - Board of Directors



PRESIDENT
Curtis Granderson


VICE-PRESIDENT
CC Sabathia


SECRETARY
Edwin Jackson




The Player's Alliance - roster

ADELL, JO
ALFORD, ANTHONY
ALLEN, GREG
ANDERSON, TIM
ARCHER, CHRIS
BELL, JOSH
BERRY, QUINTIN
BETTS, MOOKIE
BLESSITT, IKE
BOURN, MIKE
BRADLEY JR., JACKIE
BRANTLEY, MICHAEL
BRINSON, LEWIS
BROXTON, KEON
BUXTON, BYRON
CAMERON, DAZ
CAIN, LORENZO
CHAMBERS, ADRON
CHOICE, MICHAEL
COTTON, JHAREL
CHISHOLM, JAZZ
CRAWFORD, JP
DAVIS, KHRIS
DAVIS, JAYLIN
DAVIS, JONATHAN
DEMERITTE, TRAVIS
DESHIELDS, DELINO
DESMOND, IAN
DICKERSON, CHRIS
DUNN, JUSTIN
DUPLANTIER, JON
DYSON, JARROD
EDWARDS JR., CARL
EDWARDS, XAVIER
ERVIN, PHILLIP
EVANS, DEMARCUS
FIELDER, PRINCE
FLAHERTY, JACK
FOWLER, DEXTER
FOX, LUCIUS
GARRETT, AMIR
GIVENS, MYCHAL
GOODRUM, NIKO
GOODWIN, BRIAN
GORDON, DEE
GRIFFEY JR., KEN
GWYNN JR., TONY
HAMILTON, BILLY
HARRISON, JOSH
HARRISON, MONTE
HAYES, KE’BRYAN
HEATH, NICK
HEARN, TAYLOR
HEYWARD, JASON
HOOD, DESTIN
HOWARD, RYAN
HICKS, AARON
HICKS, JORDAN
HUNTER, TORII
JACKSON, AUSTIN
JAY, JONATHAN
JEFFRESS, JEREMY
JOHNSON, DANIEL
JOHNSON, SHERMAN
JONES, ADAM
JONES, JACQUE
JUDGE, AARON
KELA, KEONE
KEMP, MATT
KEMP, TONY
KENDRICK, HOWIE
LEE, KHALIL
LEWIS, KYLE
LONG, SHED
MARTIN, RICHIE
MAYBIN, CAMERON
MCCLAIN, REGGIE
MCCUTCHEN, ANDREW
MCKENZIE, TRISTON
MULLINS, CEDRIC
PHAM, TOMMY
PRICE, DAVID
QUINN, ROMAN
REVERE, BEN
ROLLINS, JIMMY
ROSS, JOE
ROSS, TYSON
SEMIEN, MARCUS
SHARP, STERLING
SHEFFIELD, JUSTUS
SHEFFIELD, JUSTUS
SMITH, DOMINIC
SMITH JR., DWIGHT
SPAN, DENARD
SPRINGER, GEORGE
STANTON, GIANCARLO
STEWART, CHRISTIN
STROMAN, MARCUS
TARPLEY, STEPHEN
TATE, DILLON
TAYLOR, MICHAEL
TOUSSAINT, TOUKI
TRAVIS, DEVON
TRAMMEL, TAYLOR
TUCKER, COLE
UPTON, JUSTIN
WADE JR., LAMONTE
WALKER, TAIJUAN
WEEKS, JEMILE
WEEKS, RICKIE
WHITE, DEVON
WILLIAMS, DEVIN
WILLIAMS, JUSTIN
WILLIAMS, MASON
YOUNG, CHRIS
YOUNG JR., ERIC



heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 05:53:09 PM
Black talking head on MLB Network


"This is not just black players....."


heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
MLB pulls ASG from Atlanta

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31183822/mlb-moving-all-star-game-atlanta-georgia-voting-law (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31183822/mlb-moving-all-star-game-atlanta-georgia-voting-law)

Major League Baseball announced Friday that it is moving the 2021 All-Star Game out of Atlanta in response to a new Georgia law that has civil rights groups concerned about its potential to restrict voting access for people of color.

"Over the last week, we have engaged in thoughtful conversations with Clubs, former and current players, the Players Association, and The Players Alliance, among others, to listen to their views," Manfred said in his statement. "I have decided that the best way to demonstrate our values as a sport is by relocating this year's All-Star Game and MLB Draft.

"Major League Baseball fundamentally supports voting rights for all Americans and opposes restrictions to the ballot box. In 2020, MLB became the first professional sports league to join the non-partisan Civic Alliance to help build a future in which everyone participates in shaping the United States. We proudly used our platform to encourage baseball fans and communities throughout our country to perform their civic duty and actively participate in the voting process. Fair access to voting continues to have our game's unwavering support."

MLB got it right.

Nice to see you catching up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 07:44:14 PM
Manfred:

"Over the last week we have engaged in thoughtful conversations with clubs, former and current players, The Players Association, and The Player's Alliance (??).... to listen to their views.  I HAVE DECIDED......"


Listened to both sides, did ya?

Both sides of what? You are for free elections and ensuring the right to vote to all Americans or you're not. If you're not, then why would someone want to listen to that?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 02, 2021, 09:19:53 PM
Braves would be one example of the other side

Did Manfred speak to them before deciding?

I love Curtis Granderson, but they are being dicks on this issue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 02, 2021, 11:19:06 PM
Braves would be one example of the other side

Did Manfred speak to them before deciding?

I love Curtis Granderson, but they are being dicks on this issue.

You've failed to back that view.
Title: The Atlanta Cowards
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 03, 2021, 10:10:10 AM
Braves fail to live up to their name with this statement on MLB's decision to relocate the ASG:

Our city has always been known as a uniter in divided times [/u]and we will miss the opportunity to address issues that are important to our community. Unfortunately, businesses, employees, and fans in Georgia are the victims of this decision."]“This was neither our decision, nor our recommendation and we are saddened that fans will not be able to see this event in our city," the statement said. "The Braves organization will continue to stress the importance of equal voting opportunities and we had hoped our city could use this event as a platform to enhance the discussion. Our city has always been known as a uniter in divided times and we will miss the opportunity to address issues that are important to our community. Unfortunately, businesses, employees, and fans in Georgia are the victims of this decision." (http://“This was neither our decision, nor our recommendation and we are saddened that fans will not be able to see this event in our city," the statement said. "The Braves organization will continue to stress the importance of equal voting opportunities and we had hoped our city could use this event as a platform to enhance the discussion. [u)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2021/04/02/mlb-all-star-game-gutless-atlanta-braves-wrong-side-history/7067679002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-freeman/2021/04/02/mlb-all-star-game-gutless-atlanta-braves-wrong-side-history/7067679002/)

Sure...Atlanta---uniter, not divider. Always. Sound familiar? Oy!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 03, 2021, 11:25:05 AM
The ballpark isn't in Atlanta, right?

Happy not to hear from the Mayor.  But maybe White Freddie will be asked how he feels.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 03, 2021, 02:17:28 PM
Saturday 4/3

Parlay

Atlanta -115
Houston -130
St Louis +110

https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/las-vegas/?s=719
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 03, 2021, 03:07:06 PM
Phils-Braves

FS1  4 PM


Harvey beating Sox.  Reallll long season ahead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 03, 2021, 09:54:03 PM
Phils-Braves

FS1  4 PM


Harvey beating Sox.  Reallll long season ahead.

Zach wheeler had 7IP 10K 1H O R.

And more hits than the entire Braves team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 03, 2021, 09:58:23 PM
Had the big hit
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 03, 2021, 10:00:06 PM
Had the big hit

2 of them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 03, 2021, 10:12:36 PM
1 was enough
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 04, 2021, 11:44:10 AM
I would like nothing more than Mets being 3 games up in loss column to Braves

But it can't be a sweep, right?


ATL  -115   Anderson over Eflin


Happy Easter, all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 04, 2021, 11:51:37 AM
Manfred:

"Over the last week we have engaged in thoughtful conversations with clubs, former and current players, The Players Association, and The Player's Alliance (??).... to listen to their views.  I HAVE DECIDED......"


Listened to both sides, did ya?

Your assumption that all former and current players view things from one side is entertaining. I am sure that Curt Schilling would be surprised to learn how he sees things, as would have Bunning in the past, among many other very conservative MLB players past and present.

Yes, he likely listened to both sides.

So have I.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 04, 2021, 05:08:40 PM
I would like nothing more than Mets being 3 games up in loss column to Braves

But it can't be a sweep, right?


ATL  -115   Anderson over Eflin


Happy Easter, all.

You lose. Phils sweep. Alec Bohm plays hero in the 8th, Hoskins scores the winning run. Eflin goes 7IP, 1R, 1BB, 8Ks.

So, pinch me, but the Phightin's start the season with a sweep of the favorite to win the Division, get great starting pitching from all 3 starters, and limit the Braves to 3 runs in 3 games.

They're reward is now facing Jacob deGrom tomorrow night (and the mighty Mets), as his start was postponed since Thursday, after Covid killed the Mets series with the Nats.

And the might Orioles sweep, too, and start their season 3-0.

Peace and happiness has broken out all over the Delmarva Peninsula!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 04, 2021, 05:42:33 PM
Mid-Atlantic doing well as the O's sweep, too.

2 of 3 days, the Sox pitching looked decent but not the hitting. Today, the pitching sucked, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 04, 2021, 08:16:35 PM
I would like nothing more than Mets being 3 games up in loss column to Braves

But it can't be a sweep, right?


ATL  -115   Anderson over Eflin


Happy Easter, all.

You lose. Phils sweep. Alec Bohm plays hero in the 8th, Hoskins scores the winning run. Eflin goes 7IP, 1R, 1BB, 8Ks.

So, pinch me, but the Phightin's start the season with a sweep of the favorite to win the Division, get great starting pitching from all 3 starters, and limit the Braves to 3 runs in 3 games.

They're reward is now facing Jacob deGrom tomorrow night (and the mighty Mets), as his start was postponed since Thursday, after Covid killed the Mets series with the Nats.

And the might Orioles sweep, too, and start their season 3-0.

Peace and happiness has broken out all over the Delmarva Peninsula!

Nice

That may be all my ATL picks for a while

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 04, 2021, 08:25:56 PM
Real long season!

I may develop a greater appreciation for the 60 game season
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 04, 2021, 08:30:21 PM
Rule 5 guy Red Sox swiped from Yanks did well in his debut.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 09:14:13 AM
Your assumption that all former and current players view things from one side is entertaining.


What the everloving fuck are you talking about?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 09:26:34 AM
Last week wagers


Bets:     9
Cashes:    3

$ laid out -      $450

$ returned -     93.48  85.71  103.03

450-282.22 =     LOSS of    167.78
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 05, 2021, 10:13:07 AM
Your assumption that all former and current players view things from one side is entertaining.


What the everloving fuck are you talking about?

You should try reading the posts you respond to, Kid.

MLB said they talked to former and current players.

You challenged, "did they talk to both sides?" as if to suggest that they did not, but in your usual mealy-mouthed way to avoid owning your own words.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 01:01:00 PM
MLB said they talked to former and current players.
You challenged, "did they talk to both sides?" as if to suggest that they did not, but in your usual mealy-mouthed way to avoid owning your own words.


I know they talked to Players Alliance guys - that would be former and current players

Did MLB talk to all 30 teams in a conference call - get that input?

Even talk at length to Braves front office/ownership?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 01:40:38 PM
MLB said they talked to former and current players.
You challenged, "did they talk to both sides?" as if to suggest that they did not, but in your usual mealy-mouthed way to avoid owning your own words.


I know they talked to Players Alliance guys - that would be former and current players

Did MLB talk to all 30 teams in a conference call - get that input?

Even talk at length to Braves front office/ownership?

Regarding these important talks of yours...
What did you want MLB to say?

Are you guys okay with us withdrawing the ASG from a state that has shown that it doesn't support equal opportunities to vote in free and fair elections?

Oh, you're not?

Why not?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 01:45:36 PM
Providing Manfred with the FACTS would be the first step.

Ol Rob just went with what Dems put forth

Very likely a high level Dem himself.  I will listen if you know otherwise.

That the decision seemed unilateral is also disappointing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 01:48:07 PM
Providing Manfred with the FACTS would be the first step.

Ol Rob just went with what Dems put forth

Very likely a high level Dem himself.  I will listen if you know otherwise.

That the decision seemed unilateral is also disappointing.

What FACTS can you prove that "Ol' Rob" did not consider?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 02:04:12 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/ml-bs-decision-to-pull-all-star-game-from-georgia-sends-strong-message-in-the-wrong-direction-215324496.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 02:05:21 PM
Providing Manfred with the FACTS would be the first step.

Ol Rob just went with what Dems put forth

Very likely a high level Dem himself.  I will listen if you know otherwise.

That the decision seemed unilateral is also disappointing.

What FACTS can you prove that "Ol' Rob" did not consider?

Manfred went with incorrect information put forth by the Democratic Party - sadly including the (acting) President of the United States.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 02:14:25 PM
Providing Manfred with the FACTS would be the first step.

Ol Rob just went with what Dems put forth

Very likely a high level Dem himself.  I will listen if you know otherwise.

That the decision seemed unilateral is also disappointing.

What FACTS can you prove that "Ol' Rob" did not consider?

Manfred went with incorrect information put forth by the Democratic Party - sadly including the (acting) President of the United States.

You keep saying nothing. What FACTS? What "incorrect information"?

Fuck the talking points you've memorized. Put up some substance.

Or shut up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 02:51:09 PM

Republican talking points?  Or counters to the Dems malarchy?


Ask Biden if voters waiting on line can be given water.

What, Joe?  I didnt hear you.


Fucktards.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 05, 2021, 04:09:56 PM
MLB said they talked to former and current players.
You challenged, "did they talk to both sides?" as if to suggest that they did not, but in your usual mealy-mouthed way to avoid owning your own words.


I know they talked to Players Alliance guys - that would be former and current players

Did MLB talk to all 30 teams in a conference call - get that input?

Even talk at length to Braves front office/ownership?

They talked to former and current players as well as the Players Alliance, according to their release.

But whatever.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 05, 2021, 04:11:22 PM

Very likely a high level Dem himself.  I will listen if you know otherwise.

"I will make a baseless accusation. If you have evidence to disprove it, I will pretend to listen, but don't expect me to support my claim."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 04:13:05 PM
There was a Charlie Morton quote today - but that was from an interview after the fact.

Tell me which player of Morton's heritage was spoken to by Manfred.

I'll wait.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 05, 2021, 04:14:39 PM

Republican talking points?  Or counters to the Dems malarchy?


Ask Biden if voters waiting on line can be given water.

What, Joe?  I didnt hear you.


Fucktards.

You keep claiming that Manfred only listened to one side.

You get asked for evidence.

You repeat your position.

And you call anybody else a fucktard?!

You are more intellectually challenged in this regard than all but Ward. You make Uno's and Banks' arguments seem cogent and Bambu's anti-climate bs seem rational.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 04:28:41 PM
You want evidence someone didn't do something?

Heh

Great forum.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 04:54:16 PM

Republican talking points?  Or counters to the Dems malarchy?


Ask Biden if voters waiting on line can be given water.

What, Joe?  I didnt hear you.


Fucktards.

So...no FACTS.


Geez, kid.

You used to care.

Now? Notsomuch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 04:55:00 PM
MLB said they talked to former and current players.
You challenged, "did they talk to both sides?" as if to suggest that they did not, but in your usual mealy-mouthed way to avoid owning your own words.


I know they talked to Players Alliance guys - that would be former and current players

Did MLB talk to all 30 teams in a conference call - get that input?

Even talk at length to Braves front office/ownership?

They talked to former and current players as well as the Players Alliance, according to their release.

But whatever.

BTW, the Alliance is a non-partisan organization.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 04:57:01 PM
Baseball BLM
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 04:57:10 PM
You want evidence someone didn't do something?

 

No, he wants evidence to back your claim that Manfred "only listened to one side".

Prove it.

Or shush, honeybunch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 05:00:12 PM
Baseball BLM

MLB CLUB EXECUTIVE ADVISORY COMMITTEE for the Players Alliance:

CHRIS ANTONETTI, CLEVELAND INDIANS
CHAIM BLOOM, BOSTON RED SOX
BRIAN CASHMAN, NEW YORK YANKEES
THEO EPSTEIN, MLB
MICHAEL HILL, MLB
MARK SHAPIRO, TORONTO BLUE JAYS
KENNY WILLIAMS, CHICAGO WHITE SOX
FARHAN ZAIDI, SAN FRANCISCO GIANTS

Check out their "heritages", kid, since it is what seems to matter most to you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 05, 2021, 05:26:05 PM
You want evidence someone didn't do something?

Heh

Great forum.

No, asshole.

I want evidence of THIS:

"Very likely a high level Dem himself"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 05:37:01 PM
Too many beanballs to the head?

even though experts universally are encouraging the shots as the world tries to end the once-in-a-century pandemic, Mets players publicly have been hesitant to embrace the COVID-19 vaccines for themselves.

“It’s a personal choice,” Michael Conforto said Sunday, “and everybody has their own opinions on whether or not they’re going to get vaccinated.”

The Mets have been consistent in their messaging. James McCann also framed it as a “personal choice,” similar to J.D. Davis’ “personal preference.”


https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/covid-19-vaccinations-mets-1.50204287 (https://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/covid-19-vaccinations-mets-1.50204287)

So, you personally choose to keep the pandemic alive.

Another failure in Mets Land.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 06:59:39 PM
Critics of the new laws have suggested the legislation will limit voter access to the polls during future elections.



How?


https://www.newsweek.com/marco-rubio-challenges-mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-end-leagues-ties-china-cuba-1581072
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 07:17:33 PM
Parlay for tonight


Dodgers      -155
White Sox     -120
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 08:02:32 PM
Will a 150 win Jacob DeGrom make the Hall of Fame?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 08:04:07 PM
McCutcheon just turned around 101.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 05, 2021, 08:14:26 PM
Hey, ASSHOLE!

Still waiting for your "evidence" of this baseless accusation.

You want evidence someone didn't do something?

Heh

Great forum.

No, asshole.

I want evidence of THIS:

"Very likely a high level Dem himself"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 08:53:56 PM
Hey, ASSHOLE!




Shhhhh....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 09:19:09 PM
COON-ROD now pitching for the Phils

heh


- pretty good gas
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 05, 2021, 10:34:43 PM
Guess deGromm lacks heart. 77 pitches and he doesn't mind being yanked?

You know, wins matter. Especially in a division in which 1-2 games might decide it.

Phils make him and Mets pay with the CFBW.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 05, 2021, 11:16:40 PM
Weird, I thought.

Hopefully wont be the norm

No excuse for not being able to go 90+ pitches first start
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 05, 2021, 11:35:23 PM
off the schneid

159-3 is still possible!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2021, 12:51:48 PM
"'There are good people who think this (new Georgia) law is right, good people who think it is wrong...baseball brings people together.  We will not get bogged down in other people's politics'.  That is the only thing Baseball (MLB) should have done"


-  The always brilliant Ari Fleischer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 06, 2021, 01:18:16 PM
"'There are good people who think this (new Georgia) law is right, good people who think it is wrong...baseball brings people together.  We will not get bogged down in other people's politics'.  That is the only thing Baseball (MLB) should have done"


-  The always brilliant Ari Fleischer

Guess that depends on how you define "good people", Ari.

ASG goes to Colorado. Should make for a fun HR derby.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/allstar/2021/04/05/mlb-all-star-game-moved-coors-field-denver-colorado-rockies/7101485002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/allstar/2021/04/05/mlb-all-star-game-moved-coors-field-denver-colorado-rockies/7101485002/)


But for you who want to know if Colorado's voting rights are better than Georgia's? Here is some information that I found:

https://www.newsweek.com/colorado-site-new-mlb-all-star-game-has-more-restrictive-voting-laws-georgia-1581313 (https://www.newsweek.com/colorado-site-new-mlb-all-star-game-has-more-restrictive-voting-laws-georgia-1581313)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 06, 2021, 03:55:05 PM
Red Sox getting a new uni to honor the Boston Marathon.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pass-or-fail-red-sox-to-wear-yellow-uniforms-as-tribute-to-boston-marathon-150022133.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pass-or-fail-red-sox-to-wear-yellow-uniforms-as-tribute-to-boston-marathon-150022133.html)

 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyS7vaYU8Akr9c1?format=jpg&name=medium)

Looks like they're leading the Tour de France!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 06, 2021, 04:22:37 PM
I like the yellow and blue color combo, but it reminds me of UCLA or the Chargers. I didn't get the connection to the marathon. I thought if they wanted to honor the marathon, they should license the BAA marathon logo, that might have been pretty cool, but Addidas already has a deal with the BAA.

(https://www.baa.org/sites/default/files/2019-09/baa_charity_2020.svg)

I heard that with shipping the jersey costs $435. F'ing ridiculous.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 06, 2021, 04:31:03 PM
Jerseys like that should be worn when there are kegs and styrofoam coolers strategically placed near the foul lines.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 06, 2021, 04:44:20 PM
It does not look like Max Scherzer is fooling anybody today.  4 HRs in 2+ innings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 06, 2021, 05:00:28 PM
Jerseys like that should be worn when there are kegs and styrofoam coolers strategically placed near the foul lines.

They kind of remind me of the clown costume unis worn by the White Sox and Astros in the 70s.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 06, 2021, 06:03:59 PM
Hey, ASSHOLE!


Shhhhh....

Still no evidence.

Still no surprise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2021, 07:29:06 PM
Red Sox getting a new uni to honor the Boston Marathon.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pass-or-fail-red-sox-to-wear-yellow-uniforms-as-tribute-to-boston-marathon-150022133.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/pass-or-fail-red-sox-to-wear-yellow-uniforms-as-tribute-to-boston-marathon-150022133.html)

 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyS7vaYU8Akr9c1?format=jpg&name=medium)

Looks like they're leading the Tour de France!

Definitely getting a hat
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 06, 2021, 11:38:07 PM
SOX!!!!!!


Good team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2021, 01:44:18 AM
SOX!!!!!!


Good team.

Good hitting team.

The pitching remains suspect, with potential.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 07, 2021, 11:20:11 AM
Social media is a very dangerous thing with which to play, especially in baseball!

https://sports.yahoo.com/atlanta-braves-tweet-aged-poorly-234930413.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/atlanta-braves-tweet-aged-poorly-234930413.html)

Atlanta remains winless. Curse of the Georgia voting laws?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2021, 11:50:15 AM
Mets Phils is a day game, I see

Peterson-Nola

I feel bad we so totally dwarf you guys on the mound today.

heh (make no mistake - David P can pitch)

---

Re:  Nats-Braves

I see the child Soto is already in a rift with an opponent.  Seems Will Smith and El Juano were in a disagreement over where the child should be standing while the veteran P took his warmups.  This in a prior contest.  Then Juan ripped his tits for a dinger, barking around the bases afterward.

Shift to yesterday - Smith had nowhere to put Sotochild - 1st and second none out, tie game, bottom 9.  And Juan won the day again.

Let the season simmer, youngster.  Ease into it.  You will have your rough days.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2021, 05:44:04 PM
For 4/7

Parlay


Arizona (Bumgarner)    -115
NY Yanks (Taillon)     -190
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 07, 2021, 08:12:28 PM
 :Ring the bell!

Just win series, baby! Phillies Bohm the Mets.

On to Atlanta.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2021, 11:10:39 PM
Will the real Red Sox please stand up?

Swept by the O's. Swept the Rays. No hitting, clutch or otherwise. Clutch hitting abounds.

Predictions of a roughly .500 season would seem consistent with the first six games, but it is way too early to know what's going to happen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 08, 2021, 09:47:30 AM
O's beat Y's in OT.  There's joy in Fell's Point!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 08, 2021, 02:13:01 PM
Plays for 4/8


Cardinals  +130
Angels    EVEN
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 09, 2021, 01:48:47 PM
Conforto with the walkoff BOW move.

Could be the Mets year......

(but next time lets play McNeil vs Nola, eh?)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 09, 2021, 03:12:48 PM
Friday plays


Arizona   +135

Parlay

Houston    -170
Cleveland   -185
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2021, 03:00:55 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/blue-jays-renovating-buffalo-ballpark-for-2021

The Blue Jays are seeking to have three different home fields during the 2021 season, if they are fortunate enough to be able to return to Toronto at all!

At least their Spring Training facility is very well known to the players, while they wait for Buffalo to be ready for them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2021, 07:25:51 PM
Garrett Richards is not impressing me.

Or, rather, he is, but not in a good way.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2021, 09:14:51 PM
Garrett Richards is not impressing me.

Or, rather, he is, but not in a good way.

That worked. Now the bullpen...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2021, 11:48:00 PM
Garrett Richards is not impressing me.

Or, rather, he is, but not in a good way.

That worked. Now the bullpen...

Not quite as drawn up, but a good recovery from the blown save!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2021, 02:52:25 PM
Sunday parlay

Colorado     +115
Washington    +140
Philadelphia    +150
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2021, 05:47:12 PM
Two touchdowns beats three field goals every time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 11, 2021, 07:15:33 PM
After sleeping through the first O series, the Sox offense has become offensive.   

And congrats to UMASS on their Frozen Four NCAA Hockey Championship.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2021, 10:10:53 PM
Wow.  They beat Lopez.  Color me shocked.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 12, 2021, 09:59:10 AM
I clearly have been sleeping, in the metaphorical sense:
https://theathletic.com/2509344/2021/04/10/brisbee-the-trevor-bauer-story-is-funny-but-the-fallout-will-trickle-down-to-the-giants-and-every-other-team/?source=dailyemail

I missed the Trevor Bauer story altogether, but if this is right, we might see those strike out rates begin to fall some. It will be interesting to see both which pitchers are most impacted and which hitters gain the most from the impending change.

(I don't know how much of the story is visible and how much is behind a paywall. If you cannot read it, let me know and I will synopsize it.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2021, 01:34:59 PM
Week 2 summary

Bets      7    (350)

Cashes    3        150.81    115.00   100.00 


Total       +15.81
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
Has UNO checked in yet on the Phillies' - ahem - win?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 12, 2021, 02:37:15 PM
Has UNO checked in yet on the Phillies' - ahem - win?

Front left toe touched. That's what the ump saw.

Good call.

Replay takes too long.

Mets fans should be quiet, though, given their hbp in the strike zone "win", last week.

AT the very least the Phils got the call, then stopped the Braves from scoring in the bottom of the inning, which is a win, and not a gift.

See ya.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2021, 03:05:31 PM
heh

nice win

I know you dont think your team is very good
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 12, 2021, 03:47:40 PM
heh

nice win

I know you dont think your team is very good

I think they need a CFer and another starter. I do think they're good enough to win the division, though.

As are 3 other teams in the NLE.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 12, 2021, 11:48:51 PM
Just seeing this now -


https://www.audacy.com/wfan/sports/yankees/aaron-hicks-to-sit-due-to-shooting-of-daunte-wright?utm_campaign=www.audacy.com%252Fwfan&utm_content=1618263649&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_term=WFAN-AM&fbclid=IwAR3hJWx1qV5aFkpk-CVZ-WvACxcnoJYX1fZxjLaCFfOaRC3rsgydEMn1xyw
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 13, 2021, 06:48:57 AM
Paul LoDuca was always an ass.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/04/12/joe-west-awarded-500000-in-damages-against-paul-lo-duca/43527791/?itm_source=AMP&itm_medium=UpNext (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2021/04/12/joe-west-awarded-500000-in-damages-against-paul-lo-duca/43527791/?itm_source=AMP&itm_medium=UpNext)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2021, 01:51:15 PM
Hahahaha

Joe West thinks he is going to the HOF?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2021, 08:42:25 PM
8th inning walk off.

Cool.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 13, 2021, 10:20:40 PM
8th inning walk off.

Cool.

That's not real baseball.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2021, 10:40:47 PM
Phils swept
Braves and Nats destroyed (allowed 14 each)

A good day
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on April 14, 2021, 09:02:56 PM
9
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 14, 2021, 09:14:18 PM
Fuckin Familia horror show

I cant do this again....


click.....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 14, 2021, 10:54:50 PM
9

Quite unexpected.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 15, 2021, 09:16:46 AM
Another no hitter last night, a HBP away from being perfect.

Congratulations to Carlos Rodon and the White Sox.

I wonder if we will see an above average number of them this year!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 15, 2021, 12:04:09 PM
Just need one more.

145 years
307 no hitters

Record is 7, in 1990, 1991, 2015

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 15, 2021, 04:45:58 PM
Another no hitter last night, a HBP away from being perfect.

Congratulations to Carlos Rodon and the White Sox.

I wonder if we will see an above average number of them this year!
There is a potential for a no hitter anytime the Indians take the plate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 15, 2021, 10:03:20 PM
Good late comeback by the Red Sox today, if not quite enough to overcome late runs by the Twins.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2021, 04:51:41 AM
Yu Darvish, in a 0-0 game in the 5th inning, walked Clayton Kershaw after the latter had fouled off a few pitches in a row, to drive in the game-winning run. Final was 2-0.

Good game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2021, 03:19:24 PM
First game of the Duo-Sox doubleheader went White, unfortunately, but it was a good game.

I still hate the 7 inning short-form games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2021, 09:07:16 PM
First game of the Duo-Sox doubleheader went White, unfortunately, but it was a good game.

I still hate the 7 inning short-form games.

The second was not as good, but with the same result.

:-(
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 19, 2021, 12:08:29 PM
Don't know where the rest of the game will go, but today's game has certainly gotten off to a different start than either game yesterday!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 19, 2021, 01:45:54 PM
Don't know where the rest of the game will go, but today's game has certainly gotten off to a different start than either game yesterday!

One if by land
two if by sea
6 in the bottom of the first

with apologies to HWL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2021, 12:20:52 AM
Nice start by ERod.

Nice tater by Xander.

Good finish by the pen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 21, 2021, 12:13:13 PM
Life's good when the Sox are good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2021, 12:29:35 PM
Life's good when the Sox are good.

Yup!

Still not betting on this lasting the full year, but it sure beats the hell out of where they were last year after this many games!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 21, 2021, 12:33:18 PM
Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 21, 2021, 12:50:56 PM
Heh
Why the edit?  Did you spell "heh" incorrectly?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 21, 2021, 01:10:13 PM
I thought kid quit the Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 21, 2021, 01:17:04 PM
Liking, pulling for LAA these days in AL

Red Sox are always worthy of discussion
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 21, 2021, 01:25:23 PM
On a related matter, how many regular season games will the LAD win this year?

For reference at 14-4 (.778) they're on a pace for 126.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2021, 06:24:24 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/corbin-burnes-sets-mlb-record-for-starters

40 Ks, no walks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2021, 11:15:02 PM
The comeback tonight got a bit tougher during Mr. Taylor's appearance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 22, 2021, 10:16:52 PM
ALEX VERDUGO (single, triple 2 steals tonight) is what you thought Benintendi was

Shame Sox had to deliver Betts and Price to LA to get him
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 22, 2021, 10:21:59 PM
Seattle sacrifices runner to third

THANK YOU - finally we will see how this works out

(Would love to see numbers as we get deeper in season - how many teams that are tied into the tenth and BUNT the runner over as away team go on to win the game)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2021, 10:41:54 PM
Seattle sacrifices runner to third

THANK YOU - finally we will see how this works out

(Would love to see numbers as we get deeper in season - how many teams that are tied into the tenth and BUNT the runner over as away team go on to win the game)

As I recall the expected value (using several decades or so of actual game data) of runs scored of hitting away runner on 2nd no outs, is higher than sac. bunting the runner to 3rd. (runner on 3rd, 1 out)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 22, 2021, 10:44:51 PM
wow - cool story

https://www.facebook.com/thebsblr/photos/a.626516280870064/1779529468902067/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2021, 10:46:55 PM
walks, damns walks and statistics.

fucking walks killed the Sox tonight.


and Verdugo is a similar type player to 10D.

and lets remember when you were dumping on him for reasons still unknown, he finished 2nd in ROY to Judge, had a 2.8 WAR, followed by 4.8 WAR in his second year, and was considered by most neutral observers to be a highly valued young player on the come.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 23, 2021, 08:23:46 AM
(Would love to see numbers as we get deeper in season - how many teams that are tied into the tenth and BUNT the runner over as away team go on to win the game)
All of them. Well, unless the batter cannot bunt.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 23, 2021, 09:45:28 AM
and Verdugo is a similar type player to 10D.


heh

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/andrew-benintendi-looks-lost-in-kansas-city/ar-BB1fJHEY?ocid=uxbndlbing
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on April 23, 2021, 08:50:41 PM
DeGrom is at Pedro-level greatness.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2021, 12:08:01 PM
So at least we agre in agreement the Sox move off of Tendi as a major buldling block was positive

Boston can hope the kid pitcher Winckowski amounts to something
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2021, 12:35:09 PM
Meanwhile, here come the Yanks (winners of 4 in 5)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2021, 01:32:05 PM
So at least we agre in agreement the Sox move off of Tendi as a major buldling block was positive

Boston can hope the kid pitcher Winckowski amounts to something

He had an off '19 and a miserable '20. IMO they sold low and got a very modest return.

I can agree its spilled milk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 25, 2021, 05:50:23 PM
DeGrom is at Pedro-level greatness.

Pedro didn't ask out of games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 25, 2021, 05:53:14 PM
Meanwhile, here come the Yanks (winners of 4 in 5)

Meanwhile, that A's  set an all-time record for MLB with the longest winning streak in April, which was snapped today at 13.

Congrats, Bob "Underated" Melvin.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2021, 06:30:44 PM
DeGrom is at Pedro-level greatness.

Pedro didn't ask out of games.

Certainly no comparison yet
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 25, 2021, 06:43:44 PM
Bumgardner pitch 7 innings of no-hit ball...

It's NOT a no-hitter.

https://www.mlb.com/news/seven-inning-doubleheaders-no-hitter-rules (https://www.mlb.com/news/seven-inning-doubleheaders-no-hitter-rules)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2021, 08:44:37 PM
So you could have a perfect game - but with runners having been on base (start 8th, start 9th).

Interesting
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 26, 2021, 10:17:54 AM
So you could have a perfect game - but with runners having been on base (start 8th, start 9th).

Interesting

And stupid.

Bring back Major League Baseball.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2021, 10:56:09 AM
Yawn..............

Good season so far

------

Cant believe Dodgers lost last night.  I got through a full seven innings, checking in on Dustin May, one of my aces -  figured it was over

Credit Padres. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 27, 2021, 06:18:34 AM
Monday night, Ohtani was the first pitcher to start a game while leading the majors in home runs since Babe Ruth in 1921, says the news. (Ruth lead the AL in homers in 1930, when he started, but not MLB.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 27, 2021, 02:42:20 PM
Monday night, Ohtani was the first pitcher to start a game while leading the majors in home runs since Babe Ruth in 1921, says the news. (Ruth lead the AL in homers in 1930, when he started, but not MLB.)

Let's see how long that lasts. IMO, if they stay in the race, they should restrict him to pitching only, once we get to mid-August and going forward. That way he can focus on where he can help the team most.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 27, 2021, 03:01:03 PM
Nothing wrong with Jackie Robinson Day, but it is waaayyy past time for Curt Flood Day:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/27/curt-flood-anniversary-senators/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/04/27/curt-flood-anniversary-senators/)

MLBPA needs to lobby for this.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 27, 2021, 03:06:25 PM
Smearing Jackie Robinson's name: A Chicago Little League team has admitted it used ineligible players during the 2014 World Series causing it to be stripped of its U.S. championship.

The admission is part of an agreement that ends a lawsuit in Cook County court between the Jackie Robinson West (JRW) Little League and Little League International.

The agreement states in part the U.S. championship will not be reinstated and JRW admits its tournament team did not meet residency and school attendance eligibility requirements unbeknownst to the players. (http://A Chicago Little League team has admitted it used ineligible players during the 2014 World Series causing it to be stripped of its U.S. championship.

The admission is part of an agreement that ends a lawsuit in Cook County court between the Jackie Robinson West (JRW) Little League and Little League International.

The agreement states in part the U.S. championship will not be reinstated and JRW admits its tournament team did not meet residency and school attendance eligibility requirements unbeknownst to the players.)

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2021, 02:39:24 AM
Good game tonight between the Red Sox and Mets.

It was nice to see the BoSox come out on top in a tightly pitched close game. We'll need to win a goodly number of those to have this season go very far past 162.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 28, 2021, 09:26:15 AM
Monday night, Ohtani was the first pitcher to start a game while leading the majors in home runs since Babe Ruth in 1921, says the news. (Ruth lead the AL in homers in 1930, when he started, but not MLB.)

Let's see how long that lasts. IMO, if they stay in the race, they should restrict him to pitching only, once we get to mid-August and going forward. That way he can focus on where he can help the team most.

uh....................... no.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2021, 09:39:58 PM
Wow!

1-0, tonight, over deGrom, after the 2-1 win last night.

Gotta feel for deGrom, though. What's his ERA? 0.50, but a 2-2 record?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 28, 2021, 09:51:42 PM
A 2-hitter

Mets took JDG out at 93 pitches - deserve to lose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 28, 2021, 10:13:18 PM
A 2-hitter

Mets took JDG out at 93 pitches - deserve to lose.

Had no impact on the result of the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2021, 01:15:00 PM
Right

Just something to watch

Idiots already saying JDG may not reach certain statistical levels because Mets will be limiting his innings late in the season.

"Well, having thrown just 68 innings a year ago......"

Oy.

I am looking for 300th strikeout to come in less than 200 innings.  Lets see if he attains that level.  Already has the highest K per 9 in history among starting pitchers, besting COLE from 2019.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 29, 2021, 03:54:55 PM
Dude asks out of games. Overrated

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 29, 2021, 11:21:59 PM
Couldn't expect a shut out two days running, I suppose.

Good game by the Rangers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 30, 2021, 10:08:11 AM
Best teams in baseball -

KANSAS CITY, followed by SAN FRANCISCO

Love it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 30, 2021, 11:01:58 PM
Nice game for the Red Sox. Nice bounce back game for Eovaldi. And lovely to see the bats begin to come back to life after a bunch of games with dead wood!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 30, 2021, 11:04:36 PM
Best teams in baseball -

KANSAS CITY, followed by SAN FRANCISCO

Love it

BOSTON, followed by KANSAS CITY, then SAN FRANCISCO and MILWAUKEE.

Love it more!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 02, 2021, 05:28:43 PM
Ha!

Have to admit I enjoyed this

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/05/phillies-andrew-mccutchen-base-path-rule-umpires-mets?csp=trueanthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1I5vHhu0Eb3Ndd8y9zO6vM6DO09hCj-tf0wfBkAtiekKRLgPjKqX1xSpY
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 03, 2021, 09:26:48 AM
Ha!

Have to admit I enjoyed this

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/05/phillies-andrew-mccutchen-base-path-rule-umpires-mets?csp=trueanthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR1I5vHhu0Eb3Ndd8y9zO6vM6DO09hCj-tf0wfBkAtiekKRLgPjKqX1xSpY

That crew earned the Don Denkinger Award this weekend.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 03, 2021, 10:13:37 AM
And another beautiful result last night.

Poor Phils.....

https://www.mlb.com/video/cg-nym-phi-5-2-21

Like these condensed games

This David Peterson is a nice lefthander.  Has been a bit of an afterthought for most Mets fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 04, 2021, 08:35:34 PM
If Mets lose a doubleheader tomorrow Luis Rojas should be TOAST.

No reason to wait around with this vanilla motherfukker.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 05, 2021, 08:59:04 AM
Or they could do THIS -

https://sny.tv/articles/mets-pete-alonso-chili-davis-reaction?fbclid=IwAR3NAPyMZ5YzYZs8iBREqTh8JNxnxRa3RaunMWeLpLdd7IuxwYL2Fbd5fIc
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 05, 2021, 09:38:45 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mets-jacob-degrom-scratched-from-start-with-right-lat-inflammation-avoids-injured-list/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mets-jacob-degrom-scratched-from-start-with-right-lat-inflammation-avoids-injured-list/)

MVP's aren't usually this fragile.

Heh



And...good to see Dodgers get swept, with Kershaw and Bauer getting those starts.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 05, 2021, 10:00:33 AM
Are you a failed/frustrated pitcher, UNO?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 05, 2021, 11:42:13 AM
Twin bill for the Mets, today.

A Cardinal sweep combined with a Phillies win, adds to Mets fan angst, and disgust in Milwaukee.


A Nats win, tonight, would be helpful to keep the bunched up NLE as the most interesting race in MLB, so far this season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 05, 2021, 12:04:51 PM
...you don't have to look to hard to find sources of concern. Consider:


He ranks in just the 40th percentile in MLB for average exit velocity off the bat.

Just 2.8 percent of his batted balls have graded out as "barrels," or the ideal combination of exit velocity and launch angle off the bat. That figure is in the 12th percentile in MLB.

While Lindor's expected batting average and slugging percentage are better than his actual batting average and slugging percentage -- how could they not be? -- he still ranks in the 32nd and 19th percentiles, respectively, in those measures.

His percentage of batted balls classified as "weak" is 8.3 percent, which is more than double the league-average figure.

Lindor's groundball rate is substantially higher than his career norms, and his pull percentage is substantially lower than career norms.





And yet, he's paid $341 million.

Welcome to NY, Lindor, where only the strong can perform to expectations. 

You ain't no Reggie Jackson! (But nice hair, though.)

Oh, wait. We forgot. It's the hitting coaches' fault! 

https://nypost.com/2021/05/04/inside-mets-chili-davis-firing-and-the-origin-of-donnie-stevenson/ (https://nypost.com/2021/05/04/inside-mets-chili-davis-firing-and-the-origin-of-donnie-stevenson/)

Poor Chile Davis. Twice he's been the victim of Mr. Scott---

 (https://tezzaron.com/media/MorePower.png)
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 05, 2021, 12:49:06 PM
Well...

if there was ANY indication at all that 341 man and the hitting coach were not on the same page.....

solid move

Still....  the mgr is unappealing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 05, 2021, 05:41:04 PM
Orioles' Means has no-hitter thru 7.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 05, 2021, 06:08:00 PM
Orioles' Means has no-hitter thru 7.

And into the post-game!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 06, 2021, 12:32:22 PM
Say hey to 90.

Mays hit .315 and averaged 39 home runs, 25 stolen bases, 109 RBI and 118 runs scored between 1955 and 1964 for the Giants, but didn't win a single MVP in that span.

                      
1964   NL   Ken Boyer   STL   6.1   .295   .365   .489   24   119   3                     
                   
1963   NL   Sandy Koufax   LAD   9.9   .064   .111   .091   1   7   0   25   5   0   1.88   311.0   306   
                   
1962   NL   Maury Wills   LAD   6.0   .299   .347   .373   6   48   104                     
                      
1961   NL   Frank Robinson   CIN   7.6   .323   .404   .611   37   124   22                     
                      
1960   NL   Dick Groat   PIT   6.1   .325   .371   .394   2   50   0                     

1959   NL   Ernie Banks   CHC   10.2   .304   .374   .596   45   143   2                     
                   
1958   NL   Ernie Banks   CHC   9.3   .313   .366   .614   47   129   4                     
                   
1957   NL   Henry Aaron   MLN   8.0   .322   .378   .600   44   132   1                     
                      
1956   NL   Don Newcombe   BRO   5.3   .234   .312   .342   2   16   1   27   7   0   3.06   268.0   139   
                      
1955   NL   Roy Campanella

https://sports.yahoo.com/willie-mays-turns-90-oldest-152913824.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/willie-mays-turns-90-oldest-152913824.html)

Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 06, 2021, 04:23:31 PM
Brewers came to Philly with the best record in the NL, tied with SF. They leave having been swept by the Phillies in 4 games.

There is something to be said about catching teams on your schedule at the right time.

Phils now go on the road to ATL, DC, and Dunedin, FL (TOR).

The results of that trip will tell a story of its own, especially with IL continuing to grow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2021, 05:25:22 PM
sloppy shit-show of game at Fenway today

Happy 90th Say, Hey.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 06, 2021, 06:28:51 PM
sloppy shit-show of game at Fenway today

Happy 90th Say, Hey.

Thank the baseball godz that it was so sloppy or we might not have won.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2021, 06:53:59 PM
Burks!

https://www.boston.com/sports/media/2021/05/05/ellis-burks-nesn-broadcasts
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 07, 2021, 10:55:47 PM
Cleveland playing inspired baseball. Being no-hit for 8 innings, they give up the go-ahead run in the 9th on an error after a groundball to the pitcher.

Chance for Miley to get the second no-no in MLB this week.

Now, 3-0 Reds, and still batting.

Meanwhile, Phils get 5th in a row with 12-2 win over ATL.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 07, 2021, 11:08:39 PM
INDIANS ARE NO HIT BY MILEY.

BAD NIGHT FOR THE RACIST NAMED BASEBALL TEAMS OF MLB!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 07, 2021, 11:21:49 PM
Astros show their feelings are hurt:

https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/05/07/houston-astros-reportedly-complained-to-mlb-about-other-teams-fans-taunting-them/ (https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2021/05/07/houston-astros-reportedly-complained-to-mlb-about-other-teams-fans-taunting-them/)

Although the irony of Yankees fans complaining about cheating to win is a bit much----

four of those championships came in the steroid era. The Mitchell Report was released on 12/13/07 and named the following current and former Yankee players as likely users of steroids or other performance-enhancing drugs (PEDs). The numbers in parenthesis indicate the years the players were on a World Series winning Yankees team.

Ricky Bones (1996)
Kevin Brown
Jose Canseco (2000)
Roger Clemens (2000)
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jason Grimsley (2000)
Glenallen Hill (2000)
Darren Holmes (1998)
David Justice (2000)
Chuck Knoblauch (1998, 1999, 2000)
Josias Manzanillo
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty (1999)
Denny Neagle (2000)
Andy Pettitte (1996, 1998, 1999, 2000)
Gary Sheffield
Mike Stanton (1998, 1999, 2000)
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Rondell White
Todd Williams



http://www.giantpeople.com/980.html (http://www.giantpeople.com/980.html)

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 08, 2021, 01:07:12 AM
INDIANS ARE NO HIT BY MILEY.

Good game by Miley!

(Why can't we get players like that?!)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 08, 2021, 01:07:49 AM
Welcome back to the Red Sox, Brandon Workman!

May you recover your 2019 form.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 08, 2021, 02:31:29 AM
INDIANS ARE NO HIT BY MILEY.

Good game by Miley!

(Why can't we get players like that?!)
Indians, if my math is right, are on pace to be no hit 10 times this year. Which is in the realm of possibility.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 08, 2021, 02:32:18 AM
INDIANS ARE NO HIT BY MILEY.

BAD NIGHT FOR THE RACIST NAMED BASEBALL TEAMS OF MLB!
Do tell, "Buckwheat".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2021, 10:32:39 AM
INDIANS ARE NO HIT BY MILEY.

Good game by Miley!

(Why can't we get players like that?!)
Indians, if my math is right, are on pace to be no hit 10 times this year. Which is in the realm of possibility.

Heh

Suffering Tribe.

It'll come, Whisk
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 09, 2021, 08:27:26 AM
Up 3-1, 2 outs. 9th inning.

Lose 8-7.


Ouch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2021, 09:26:26 AM
Great way to welcome back the FULL STADIUM

I didnt see the details but what was it - up 3 going to bottom 12?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 09, 2021, 02:43:32 PM
.233 league wide batting average for MLB is pretty drastic! It's lower than the 1968 average that prompted them to lower the mound.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on May 09, 2021, 04:07:27 PM
Rolling, rolling, rolling
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 09, 2021, 04:33:24 PM
Rolling, rolling, rolling

A pleasant game to watch.

May there be many more.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 10, 2021, 04:18:59 PM
Cubs catching up to the rest of us!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIIq3m6hKIk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIIq3m6hKIk)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2021, 07:23:27 PM
Rooting for John Means tonight - to catch Van der Meer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
heh

No drama
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 13, 2021, 12:33:17 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/sport/yankees-test-positive-covid/index.html

7 vaccinated Yankees have tested positive for COVID-19.

That is a frightening piece of news.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 13, 2021, 02:42:17 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/sport/yankees-test-positive-covid/index.html

7 vaccinated Yankees have tested positive for COVID-19.

That is a frightening piece of news.

Better stay indoors and away from the window, then, wimp.

Did they get the vaccine? Or were they among the group who thought they were "invincible"?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 13, 2021, 02:55:57 PM
The 15% of Yankee players/administrators that have not been vaccinated should be somewhat concerned.

The teams Yanks just played?  Could be some positives there as well.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 13, 2021, 03:52:43 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/13/sport/yankees-test-positive-covid/index.html

7 vaccinated Yankees have tested positive for COVID-19.

That is a frightening piece of news.

Better stay indoors and away from the window, then, wimp.

Did they get the vaccine? Or were they among the group who thought they were "invincible"?

7 vaccinated Yankees

Yeah, so tough to figure out the answer to your questions.

You're getting more and more like Ward in your inability to respond to the posts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 15, 2021, 08:58:43 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/first-look-at-mlb-field-of-dreams-game

I loved my visit to the Field of Dreams, back in 1991. I would go back in a heartbeat.

Loved the book. Loved the movie. Loved the experience.

I think it's cool that they are going to have an annual game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 18, 2021, 10:52:33 PM
Tonight, the Red Sox looked more like the 2020 team than the 2021 team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 19, 2021, 10:51:23 PM
Congratulations to Corey Kluber on the seventh sixth no-no of the 2021 season, beating the 1917 season for most no-nos before June 1.

Yes, it sure looks like the record of 7 in a "modern times" season and even 8 in an anytime season is going by the wayside.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 20, 2021, 11:23:40 AM
Well, we still have 121 games to play, so that's three or four right there.

Congratulations to the Klubot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 20, 2021, 11:35:32 AM
You gotta give it to MLB they found a way to devalue both HRs and no-hitters
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 20, 2021, 01:08:18 PM
You gotta give it to MLB they found a way to devalue both HRs and no-hitters

Yeah, but think of how fast the games are going!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 20, 2021, 11:05:02 PM
Not fast in Toronto Dunedin!

Congratulations to the Red Sox on winning a game it would have been easy to lose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 20, 2021, 11:23:06 PM
real good CFBW in Dunedin

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 22, 2021, 11:08:22 PM
Quite the game in Philadelphia - a tight win for the Red Sox.

The Phils' bullpen was solid - but for a 3 pitch sequence.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 23, 2021, 08:41:06 AM
You can catch a team at exactly the right time.

With the string of injuries to key players this season so far, I am surprised the Phillies record is as good as it is.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 23, 2021, 09:32:35 AM
heh

check other teams' injuries in the division

Phils healthy players are failing.
Title: A pretty good career resumes
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 23, 2021, 09:56:44 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/7292/

Kazmir sharp in first start since 2016
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 23, 2021, 10:06:53 AM
heh

check other teams' injuries in the division

Phils healthy players are failing.

Heh...try keeping up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 23, 2021, 10:29:20 AM
I was mostly watching the Celts-Nets last night, with an ocaissonal channel-surf look-in, watched the 9th and it was pretty good.

Semi-interesting factoid, almost 1/3 into the season, ALL AL East teams, including the Os, have winning road record.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 23, 2021, 10:52:21 AM
One thing that I’ve  noticed about the Phillies the last few years, pre-dating Girardi, is that they appear to be an awful fundamentals team. Mistakes on the bases, missing the cut-off man, that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 23, 2021, 11:04:25 AM
heh

check other teams' injuries in the division

Phils healthy players are failing.

Heh...try keeping up.

Heh

I think what you are saying is you cant win series without your catcher.

Be a better fan, admit to a rough patch and expect more from your earners.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 23, 2021, 06:13:26 PM
heh

check other teams' injuries in the division

Phils healthy players are failing.

Heh...try keeping up.

Heh

I think what you are saying is you cant win series without your catcher.

Be a better fan, admit to a rough patch and expect more from your earners.

I think you should figure out which team you root for before you te others anything about their team.

Har har
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 24, 2021, 10:06:03 AM
Sorry to have missed yesterday's Phillies win over the Red Sox. On any given day...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 24, 2021, 10:32:56 AM
On a related note, for all that a 474ft. homer is impressive (and it is), I still don't understand why the Red Sox think Franchy Cordero is the answer to anything.

His hitting is anemic... but it has almost always been anemic!

Even when compared to such titans as Hernandez and Renfroe, his career numbers suck, let alone this year.

Marwin Gonzalez can at least play a bunch of positions...

And to give Kiké his due, he's been a better hitter thus far than his career would have suggested.

But why did we stockpile a bunch of sub-300 OBP folks?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2021, 02:33:42 PM
On a related note, for all that a 474ft. homer is impressive (and it is), I still don't understand why the Red Sox think Franchy Cordero is the answer to anything.


I never thought BOS figured Franchy to be an answer to anything, except "what can we get for this overrated puss-armed lefthanded hitter that thought it wise to balloon himself".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2021, 02:37:40 PM
Sox still have three players (to be named) coming from that trade - one or more which could be from the 2020 draft class.

February 10, 2021: Traded as part of a 3-team trade by the Boston Red Sox with cash to the Kansas City Royals. The New York Mets sent Josh Winckowski (minors) and player to be named later to the Boston Red Sox. The Kansas City Royals sent Franchy Cordero, player to be named later and player to be named later to the Boston Red Sox. The Kansas City Royals sent Khalil Lee to the New York Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 24, 2021, 03:59:09 PM
On a related note, for all that a 474ft. homer is impressive (and it is), I still don't understand why the Red Sox think Franchy Cordero is the answer to anything.


I never thought BOS figured Franchy to be an answer to anything, except "what can we get for this overrated puss-armed lefthanded hitter that thought it wise to balloon himself".

We'll see what comes of those 3 P2BNL folks, but knock Tendi all you would like, Franchy makes him look like a HOFer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 26, 2021, 01:43:47 AM
Never go full Hulk.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/cleveland-pitcher-zach-plesac-suffers-freak-thumb-injury-after-aggressively-ripping-off-his-shirt/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 27, 2021, 01:51:44 AM
That was one long game!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 27, 2021, 03:44:18 PM
On a related note, for all that a 474ft. homer is impressive (and it is), I still don't understand why the Red Sox think Franchy Cordero is the answer to anything.


I never thought BOS figured Franchy to be an answer to anything, except "what can we get for this overrated puss-armed lefthanded hitter that thought it wise to balloon himself".

We'll see what comes of those 3 P2BNL folks, but knock Tendi all you would like, Franchy makes him look like a HOFer.

Quote
**May 27: OF Franchy Cordero optioned to Triple-A Worcester
**Though his last swing in a game before this move -- taken on May 23 in Philadelphia -- resulted in a mammoth 474-foot homer, Cordero’s overall body of work simply hasn’t been good enough to keep him on the roster. In 34 games and 102 plate appearances, Cordero is slashing .179/.228/.274 with 37 strikeouts and just the one homer. Without much playing time available for him in Boston, perhaps Cordero can work out his issues with regular playing time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 28, 2021, 08:55:30 PM
Miserable night for baseball at Fenway.

So far, a wonderful night for baseball at Fenway.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 28, 2021, 11:16:49 PM
Miserable night for baseball at Fenway.

So far, a wonderful night for baseball at Fenway.

Took them long enough to call it, but a win for the Red Sox after 5 and a half drenching innings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 29, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
Lots of tension, but a solid RS win with way too many men left on base by both teams.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 30, 2021, 01:54:01 PM
Braves are happy it's raining in NY and they likely won't be on the national broadcast, tonight: Atlanta Braves star Marcell Ozuna was arrested Saturday on charges of aggravated assault by strangulation and battery after police officers said they witnessed him attacking his wife.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/braves-of-ozuna-arrested-on-domestic-violence-charge/ar-AAKwrtR?ocid=BingNews (https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/braves-of-ozuna-arrested-on-domestic-violence-charge/ar-AAKwrtR?ocid=BingNews)

Of course, the Mets don't want to talk about Mickey Callaway, either.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2021, 02:22:53 PM
Sox rained out.

Chances are they'll fall another 1/2 game behind the never seem to lose anymore Rays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 30, 2021, 02:25:45 PM
Sox rained out.

Chances are they'll fall another 1/2 game behind the never seem to lose anymore Rays.

Well the Rays are playing the never seem to hit anymore Phillies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on May 31, 2021, 04:13:02 PM
Hamilton Samuels welcome to the MLB Forum

I used to internet-know a Hamilton Samuels years ago

lost track of him

Yankees fared no better than the Phils, losing to the Rays today.

F'ing Rays don't lose.

Sox-Astros about to play ball in Houston



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 31, 2021, 06:36:41 PM
I think Boone might have some job issues if things don't turn around shortly. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2021, 11:08:46 PM
long time between wins in da Bronx.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 05, 2021, 01:31:28 AM
long time between wins in da Bronx.

May the next wait be roughly 24 hours...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 05, 2021, 10:54:36 AM
Great article on Chase Utley and Kiké Hernandez:
https://theathletic.com/2625969/2021/06/03/gammons-bond-between-chase-utley-the-best-dad-ever-and-kike-hernandez-grows-even-with-utleys-career-over/?source=weeklyemail
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 05, 2021, 10:35:19 PM
long time between wins in da Bronx.

May the next wait be roughly 24 hours...

And there it is/was.

A good team win!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2021, 10:37:15 PM
a winning streak in da Bronx
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 06, 2021, 09:10:57 PM
"Roberto Clemente was a bricklayer for you growing up. Why is that?"

I get why the closed captioning folks struggle in live performances, but can't we do better in commercials?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 06, 2021, 09:27:32 PM
What do you think of the claim that MLB is about to crack down on foreign substances?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 06, 2021, 11:10:55 PM
Like Pedro?

And Ortiz?

and Xander?

and Raffy?

Diversity adds so much to the game

xenophobia hits MLB.

oh you mean,

oh, we gotta keep that stuff out of the game.

3 in a row in da Bronx.

George would have fired somebody
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 07, 2021, 12:21:37 AM
I thought long and hard about the foreign people before passing it up. But, as ever, none of the anti-immigrant folks have pointed out how hundreds, if not thousands, of jobs are lost to non-citizens in our major sports, especially baseball at all levels.

Nonetheless, yes, the gum, jell, or whatever they get on the balls and whether that has a damned thing to do with the higher rotation rate and lower batting averages.

And I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's game, but the Yankees should have had one more at bat in the 9th, for sure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 07, 2021, 08:23:21 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3Pw_RVWYAI3ZrJ?format=jpg&name=medium)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 07, 2021, 08:24:56 AM
And I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's game, but the Yankees should have had one more at bat in the 9th, for sure.


Why is that?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 07, 2021, 08:37:02 AM
Never mind - got it

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/06/yes-networks-michael-kay-blasts-inexcusable-and-disgraceful-call-by-umpire-in-yankees-loss-to-red-sox-ineptitude-at-its-finest.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 07, 2021, 08:39:24 AM
And I thoroughly enjoyed tonight's game, but the Yankees should have had one more at bat in the 9th, for sure.


Why is that?

Graphic not clear enough for you, kid?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 07, 2021, 09:19:57 AM
"I think it’s tiring when losses are blamed on umpires calls because there is so much that goes on before and usually after..."

That's all Kay had to say.  The Yankees are poorly constructed team and their lack of success is entirely their own doing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 07, 2021, 10:11:12 AM
everyone here has seen a few gazillion bad calls in baseball, and god willing a few more in the future. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 07, 2021, 10:44:24 AM
Set to record Kay's show today

Gonna check ESPN3 for the video
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 07, 2021, 10:56:59 AM
"I think it’s tiring when losses are blamed on umpires calls because there is so much that goes on before and usually after..."

That's all Kay had to say.  The Yankees are poorly constructed team and their lack of success is entirely their own doing.

True, except the quality of umpiring has truly gone downhill all across the league(s). And in 9th inning game on the line, a pitch that far off the plate on a 3-2 count should NEVER be called a strike. The fact that it was called a strike effectively killed an opportunity to extend the home team's traditional advantage, an advantage now mightily muted by Manfred's malicious and murderous meddling in major league baseball.

Worst of the umps, 2021, starting in the METS home opener: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X7sjmjeFvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X7sjmjeFvg)

And these are horrible as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXT6D3PvA_U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXT6D3PvA_U)

Sometimes when you see a pattern of dysfunction, it's a pattern of dysfunction.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 07, 2021, 02:34:00 PM
Mets win!  They win the DAMN THING 3-2

Cohen doesnt know the fucking rules
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 07, 2021, 03:22:04 PM
"I think it’s tiring when losses are blamed on umpires calls because there is so much that goes on before and usually after..."

That's all Kay had to say.  The Yankees are poorly constructed team and their lack of success is entirely their own doing.

True, except the quality of umpiring has truly gone downhill all across the league(s). And in 9th inning game on the line, a pitch that far off the plate on a 3-2 count should NEVER be called a strike. The fact that it was called a strike effectively killed an opportunity to extend the home team's traditional advantage, an advantage now mightily muted by Manfred's malicious and murderous meddling in major league baseball.

Worst of the umps, 2021, starting in the METS home opener: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X7sjmjeFvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X7sjmjeFvg)

And these are horrible as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXT6D3PvA_U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXT6D3PvA_U)

Sometimes when you see a pattern of dysfunction, it's a pattern of dysfunction.
For some reason I handle the dysfunction and incompetence of the umpires better than I handle the dysfunction and incompetence of the team I root for.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 07, 2021, 03:52:10 PM
"I think it’s tiring when losses are blamed on umpires calls because there is so much that goes on before and usually after..."

That's all Kay had to say.  The Yankees are poorly constructed team and their lack of success is entirely their own doing.

True, except the quality of umpiring has truly gone downhill all across the league(s). And in 9th inning game on the line, a pitch that far off the plate on a 3-2 count should NEVER be called a strike. The fact that it was called a strike effectively killed an opportunity to extend the home team's traditional advantage, an advantage now mightily muted by Manfred's malicious and murderous meddling in major league baseball.

Worst of the umps, 2021, starting in the METS home opener: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X7sjmjeFvg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X7sjmjeFvg)

And these are horrible as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXT6D3PvA_U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXT6D3PvA_U)

Sometimes when you see a pattern of dysfunction, it's a pattern of dysfunction.
For some reason I handle the dysfunction and incompetence of the umpires better than I handle the dysfunction and incompetence of the team I root for.

That makes the rule, not the exception.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 07, 2021, 08:09:29 PM
John Curtis is pitching pretty well for a 73 year old!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 08, 2021, 01:56:02 AM
Consecutive sweeps... sort of.

Sloppy Marlins play, followed by sloppy Red Sox play, but theirs was sloppier. Sox win.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 08, 2021, 11:13:52 PM
The observation was made during the Sox broadcast that tonight felt like most games did last year.

I get what he meant, even as I disagree.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 09, 2021, 07:36:59 PM
I’m at Camden Yards. Social distancing without trying.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 09, 2021, 10:12:05 PM
Happy Harvey Day
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 09, 2021, 10:46:52 PM
Houston does not have a problem.

At least when they play the Sox.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 10, 2021, 10:48:10 PM
One bizarre game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 11, 2021, 10:50:59 PM
nice CFBWOW tonight.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 12, 2021, 08:29:37 AM
I’m at Camden Yards. Social distancing without trying.

LOL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 12, 2021, 09:28:37 AM
ICYMI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlT3gyPOiw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlT3gyPOiw)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 12, 2021, 02:20:24 PM
ICYMI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlT3gyPOiw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvlT3gyPOiw)

Not a bad day for the kid, but he missed the triple!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 12, 2021, 02:20:56 PM
Opinions on having your (non-Ohtani) pitcher hitting 8th?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 12, 2021, 02:49:08 PM
RIP Mudcat Grant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 12, 2021, 07:27:05 PM
The Buffalo Blue Jays won in a less exciting fashion than their loss last night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 12, 2021, 10:03:40 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/luis-severino-exits-rehab-start-with-injury
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 13, 2021, 07:47:57 AM
My opinion is that over time - if broken down statistically - it will have little impact on team success

But I will give one angle - usually a pinch hitter from your bench will be better than your 8 hitter so late in games that 8 slot is actually at least as strong.

Pitcher in 8 slot also double switched  at times and P ends up in a new lineup slot anyway
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 13, 2021, 09:22:50 AM
It's likely a low to non-existent difference late in games. The place it seems likelier to impact the game is the first couple times through the order, because on average, NL pitchers get 2.1 PA per game. This compares to 3.9 PA per game for the 8th spot in the order or 3.77 PA per game for the 9th spot.

This suggests that over a season, starting pitchers would come up slightly below 12 more times per year batting 8th than batting 9th.

Not a huge impact, but it seems like there might be some significance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2021, 11:32:34 AM
Phillies and Yankees played a wired one, yesterday. Each team's closer blew their 2nd straight game. It was the third walk-off in a row for the Phillies, and Jean Segura had his 2nd straight walk-off single.

All part of the strangely scheduled 2-game series whose opener was on a Saturday, and featuring a crowd of +38K.

Strange times for MLB.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
https://www.nj.com/sports/2021/06/mlb-rumors-imagining-a-yankees-phillies-trade-blockbuster-to-reshape-both-rosters.html (https://www.nj.com/sports/2021/06/mlb-rumors-imagining-a-yankees-phillies-trade-blockbuster-to-reshape-both-rosters.html)

This trade seems imbalanced. And it won't happen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2021, 01:15:30 PM
Good piece on why Bryan Price quit the game he loves. It's no longer the game he loves:

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2021/06/13/bryan-price-phillies-pitching-coach-no-regrets-abruptly-retired/7673290002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2021/06/13/bryan-price-phillies-pitching-coach-no-regrets-abruptly-retired/7673290002/)

And he did it without going all. Goose Gossagey.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2021, 01:22:21 PM
 https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNBCSPhilly%2Fstatus%2F1403848424752046083&widget=Tweet (https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNBCSPhilly%2Fstatus%2F1403848424752046083&widget=Tweet)

Watch until the end.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 13, 2021, 02:51:24 PM
Sox are going to need an epic comeback to make this one close, or an epic torrential Biblical downpour immediately to escape this ass-kicking.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 13, 2021, 03:06:38 PM
Sox are going to need an epic comeback to make this one close, or an epic torrential Biblical downpour immediately to escape this ass-kicking.

Too late now for the downpour, unless it washed out the season - and I will pass on that, thanks.

Not just epic, but record-tying comeback.

GO SOX!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 13, 2021, 03:22:49 PM
Sox are going to need an epic comeback to make this one close, or an epic torrential Biblical downpour immediately to escape this ass-kicking.

Too late now for the downpour, unless it washed out the season - and I will pass on that, thanks.

Not just epic, but record-tying comeback.

GO SOX!

Now it would be a new record.

See me holding my breath.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2021, 04:08:23 PM
Phils sweep.

Nice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 13, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
Sox are going to need an epic comeback to make this one close, or an epic torrential Biblical downpour immediately to escape this ass-kicking.

Too late now for the downpour, unless it washed out the season - and I will pass on that, thanks.

Not just epic, but record-tying comeback.

GO SOX!

Sox +15 was the way to go today.

2TD loss

ugly
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 13, 2021, 04:22:05 PM
Phils sweep.

Nice.

Speaking as an interested bystander, it was nice
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 13, 2021, 04:23:27 PM
I think Boone's in trouble.  But this is Cashman's baby.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 13, 2021, 04:37:08 PM
Rays never lose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 14, 2021, 07:54:23 AM
I think Boone's in trouble.  But this is Cashman's baby.

From the NYPOST comment section after the article found here:https://nypost.com/2021/06/13/terrible-yankees-blanked-by-phillies-in-embarrassment/ (https://nypost.com/2021/06/13/terrible-yankees-blanked-by-phillies-in-embarrassment/)

Flavius Spaghettini

15 hours ago

When play from the Yankees like today's continues on and without any remedial action it has be a clearcut indication that Hal, Brian and Aaron are all on-board and totally okay with it, regardless of the losses, fan outrage or embarrassment. If that's so, then the family should do the honorable thing and sell the team to people who would care enough to take action and stop the insanity. This is one of sportsworld's greatest and most storied teams.

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Flavius Spaghettini

14 hours ago
Many of us have been writing the same thing for weeks! Hal Steinbrenner is allowing a culture of mediocrity to exist. It's a travesty to his father's memory. I'm coming to the conclusion that he does need to sell the team.

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Gotta love that name; Flavius Spaghettini!


Lemme guess. They want Trump to buy it?

 :D
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 14, 2021, 11:21:38 AM
Article in today's The Athletic:
Is the timing of Red Sox pitching problems a coincidence, or is it related to MLB’s looming substance crackdown?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 14, 2021, 01:14:31 PM
https://nypost.com/2021/06/14/brian-harkins-adds-yankees-corey-kluber-to-his-sticky-list/ (https://nypost.com/2021/06/14/brian-harkins-adds-yankees-corey-kluber-to-his-sticky-list/)

Gerrit Cole would rather not talk about what he puts on a baseball when he pitches.

Brian “Bubba” Harkins has no such issue.

As MLB’s crackdown on pitchers using foreign substances approaches and offensive numbers have already ticked up, the former Los Angeles Angels visiting clubhouse manager — who was fired in 2020 for providing pitchers with a substance he made — told Sports Illustrated that some of the biggest names in baseball used his product.

Including Cole and fellow Yankees pitcher Corey Kluber.

A text allegedly from Cole sent in 2019 was included in Harkins’ defamation lawsuit against the Angels that has since been dismissed and is currently being appealed.

It read, “Hey Bubba, it’s Gerrit Cole, I was wondering if you could help me out with this sticky situation. We don’t see you until May, but we have some road games in April that are in cold weather places. The stuff I had last year seizes up when it gets cold.”

Cole has repeatedly declined to address the issue and was unable or unwilling to answer a question about whether he’d ever used Spider Tack when he was asked last week following thinly veiled accusations from the Twins’ Josh Donaldson.

Donaldson pointed out that Cole’s spin rate had dropped after a report came out that four minor leaguers had been suspended this season for using foreign substances.

Spider Tack and Harkins’ formula, which he told SI was a mixture of liquid pine tar, solid pine tar and rosin, are among the substances pitchers have used to improve their command.

What hitters — and now MLB — have grown concerned about is the increase of usage and advanced technology have taken it from pitchers getting better control to being able to throw “nasty” pitches, as Donaldson put it.

Harkins told SI that he shipped tins of the “sticky stuff” to pitchers such as Cole and Washington’s Max Scherzer, as well as Kluber.



"Oh, what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive."

Get out your asterisks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 14, 2021, 01:59:58 PM
For what stats?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Holly Martins on June 14, 2021, 02:55:21 PM
For many dog owners, just making it to Westminster is a thrill — even for baseball’s all-time home run leader, Barry Bonds, who was cheering on a miniature schnauzer he owns with sister Cheryl Dugan.

The dog, Rocky, didn’t win his breed, but the slugger said he was proud of Rocky simply for qualifying for the champions-only show.

“We won because we got here. That’s all that matters,” Bonds told Fox Sports. “I’ve been to a lot of playoffs, and I’ve been to the World Series, and I’ve never won. But for 22 years, I kept trying.”   


https://apnews.com/article/dogs-sports-c14bc59b70a0b9b5c4a1fa0aab2e77c6

  Prime Peke! Wasabi the Pekingese wins Westminster dog show 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 14, 2021, 03:36:26 PM
For many dog owners, just making it to Westminster is a thrill — even for baseball’s all-time home run leader, Barry Bonds, who was cheering on a miniature schnauzer he owns with sister Cheryl Dugan.

The dog, Rocky, didn’t win his breed, but the slugger said he was proud of Rocky simply for qualifying for the champions-only show.

“We won because we got here. That’s all that matters,” Bonds told Fox Sports. “I’ve been to a lot of playoffs, and I’ve been to the World Series, and I’ve never won. But for 22 years, I kept trying.”   


https://apnews.com/article/dogs-sports-c14bc59b70a0b9b5c4a1fa0aab2e77c6

  Prime Peke! Wasabi the Pekingese wins Westminster dog show 
Does Westminster ban HGH?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 14, 2021, 08:13:44 PM
For many dog owners, just making it to Westminster is a thrill — even for baseball’s all-time home run leader, Barry Bonds, who was cheering on a miniature schnauzer he owns with sister Cheryl Dugan.

The dog, Rocky, didn’t win his breed, but the slugger said he was proud of Rocky simply for qualifying for the champions-only show.

“We won because we got here. That’s all that matters,” Bonds told Fox Sports. “I’ve been to a lot of playoffs, and I’ve been to the World Series, and I’ve never won. But for 22 years, I kept trying.”   


https://apnews.com/article/dogs-sports-c14bc59b70a0b9b5c4a1fa0aab2e77c6

  Prime Peke! Wasabi the Pekingese wins Westminster dog show 

My ex was a huge cocker spaniel fan and eventually I became one as well. After some serious over-breeding due to Disney's Lady and the Tramp, a snappy variant took hold for awhile, but eventually the trait was breeded out. We had 4 cockers, 3 from rescue and one from a breeder and all 4 were wonderful house pets and good with a young child. Bailey the last one we had was sweet but dumb as a stump, (for comparison I once had a Maltese that was really smart, "Auggie" who often helped me with discounted cash flow projections). In any case, Bailey, a really beautiful dog, was from a line that had won "Best in Breed" at Westminster. The dog was gorgeous, but there was some minor imperfection that the breeder told us would preclude Bailey from ever being a show dog. And we got him cheap, but had to have him neutered first as a condition of the sale. End of the line for Bailey.

as an side the movie Best in Show, a satire documentary, on the business of Dog Show competition is hilarious.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 14, 2021, 10:00:10 PM
weird game

Sox headed for 1-0 win after giving up 4 score and 7 runs over the past couple of games,

2 outs in the 9th and Vlad Jr launches a rocket that triggered Canadian air defense response, 1-1

Devers knocks in winner in the 9th

2-1
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2021, 09:49:54 PM
All knotted up in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 15, 2021, 10:05:36 PM
Yankees playing a home game in Buffalo. Don't think that MLB didn't know that was going to happen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2021, 10:59:44 PM
All knotted up in the 3rd quarter.

Field goal in the 4th quarter wins it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2021, 11:00:20 PM
Yankees playing a home game in Buffalo. Don't think that MLB didn't know that was going to happen.

I'm sure they did, but what was the alternative?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 16, 2021, 08:58:53 AM
Sawamura a real find

Can Sox - as mediocre as they are - hold on to a playoff spot?

Baseball karma would say no, we'll see

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 16, 2021, 12:32:14 PM
Sawamura a real find

Can Sox - as mediocre as they are - hold on to a playoff spot?

Baseball karma would say no, we'll see
Well, the Sox are 4 up on us, and we are one Aaron Civale blister away from a pitching staff comprising nothing but relie ears, so I'd say it is a safe bet.

Or did you mean a different shade of Sox?

According to some rumors there may soon be a third color of sox in MLB.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 16, 2021, 01:40:58 PM
Yankees playing a home game in Buffalo. Don't think that MLB didn't know that was going to happen.

I'm sure they did, but what was the alternative?

Test market in Nashville would've worked.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 16, 2021, 01:49:12 PM
Don't you think there would far more people in Nashville rooting for the Yankees than were rooting for Toronto as well? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 16, 2021, 03:57:54 PM
Don't you think there would far more people in Nashville rooting for the Yankees than were rooting for Toronto as well?

Not necessarily, no.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 16, 2021, 04:15:26 PM
Okay. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 16, 2021, 04:26:38 PM
For those who like to play around at baseball ref, and check stats, they made some recent changes

https://www.baseball-reference.com/negro-leagues-are-major-leagues.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/negro-leagues-are-major-leagues.shtml)

The Negro Leagues are Major Leagues. We have dramatically expanded our coverage of the Negro Leagues and historical Black major league players. Read our Announcement
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2021, 05:07:12 PM
Yankees playing a home game in Buffalo. Don't think that MLB didn't know that was going to happen.

I'm sure they did, but what was the alternative?

Test market in Nashville would've worked.

Not really. 10,000 capacity vs. 16,600 capacity. Need to negotiate for permission with a different franchise. Proximity to Toronto. More than sufficient to make the Buffalo option superior, even without the dance over the AAA season being played at First Horizon Park.

Nor did Milwaukee have as ready an alternative as Trenton for their AAA franchise to shift to, as had the Bisons stayed in Buffalo, there would not have been room for another team in their AAA sub-league.

Nashville was among many options considered and rejected.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2021, 08:49:15 PM
Tough day for de Grom - K'ed 8 of the first 9, then out of the game w/a shoulder injury.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2021, 09:50:20 PM
It was Bungle in the Jungle for today's Braves starter, Ian Anderson.

But we'll see whether it is the Sox staff that is thick as a brick.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 16, 2021, 10:51:36 PM
sports fans in Atlanta are having themeslves a night

I hope one comeback is sufficient
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2021, 11:54:37 PM
sports fans in Atlanta are having themeslves a night

I hope one comeback is sufficient

Seems to have been!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 17, 2021, 09:11:56 AM
Tough day for de Grom - K'ed 8 of the first 9, then out of the game w/a shoulder injury.

heh


(note - 2 other pitchers in history have struck out 8 in 3 innings and left the game - but both were on losing end)

Bruce Chen
Rich Harden


Historic season for JDG.  I hope he is clean.


Degrom also drove in another run - is 11 for 26 and has 6 RBI vs 4 earned runs allowed


Mets in good shape.


Re:  NL MVP vote

Vegas had DeGrom at 40-1 odds entering the season.  He is now at 2-1.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 17, 2021, 10:29:46 AM
Keeping in mind one of the key baseball maxims put forth in the movie "Bull Durham" that "strikeouts are fascist", Zack Wheeler is the leading fascist in the NL in Ks with 118. If he was still with the Mets, he and DeGrom (111Ks) would have a combined 229 Ks at this juncture.

Wheeler is also leading the NL in innings pitched, adding value to his team in a way that no Mets pitcher is currently doing, and he is tied for the NL lead in quality starts with 11.

Last night, Wheeler outdueled Clayton Kershaw, though it was without his best stuff, yielding 4 walks, 5 hits, and only 6Ks in 6 IP. Wheeler has 14 scoreless innings pitched in the last two outings, holding Atlanta without a run in eight innings last week.

Thanks for letting him go, NYMets. 

 He has always had good stuff, but it looks like now he has learned how to pitch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 17, 2021, 10:38:59 AM
Wheeler was a Mets mistake - as I said at the time.  Made less so by the work of M Stroman and emergence this year of T Walker.

Phils on outside looking in

Wild card hopefuls

NL

Mil
St Louis
Cincy
LAD
SD

AL

Boston
NY
Cle
Hou
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 17, 2021, 10:58:37 AM
Wheeler was a Mets mistake - as I said at the time.  Made less so by the work of M Stroman and emergence this year of T Walker.

Phils on outside looking in

Wild card hopefuls

NL

Mil
St Louis
Cincy
LAD
SD

AL

Boston
NY
Cle
Hou

June 17.

If the Phils ever get the entire starting team on the field at the same time for an extended period of time, things will change rapidly. They are still very much in the NLE "race".

Heard some discussion about Scherzer to SF. If that happens, that will certainly shake up the NLW in a way that could leave SD or LA on the outside.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 17, 2021, 12:22:32 PM
Pretty sure LA will make some moves as well

SD?  Maybe.

Good division

NL East?  Not so much as advertised.

How much did it hurt Philly when that kid CF retired?  That was sad to hear.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 17, 2021, 01:15:02 PM
Pretty sure LA will make some moves as well

SD?  Maybe.

Good division

NL East?  Not so much as advertised.

How much did it hurt Philly when that kid CF retired?  That was sad to hear.


It is still money against the cap, if that's what you mean by hurt.

I like the Luke Williams story, so far. Reminds one of a young Tim Teuffel. Like a guy who just comes to play hard every day.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 17, 2021, 04:10:19 PM
Oh, wait - he's back

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/adam-haseley-reinstated-phillies-40-man-roster-rafael-marchan
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 17, 2021, 04:35:03 PM
Oh, wait - he's back

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/adam-haseley-reinstated-phillies-40-man-roster-rafael-marchan

Oh, thought you were referencing Scott Kingery, who nobody seems to be able to explain, but is now the highest paid minor leaguer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 17, 2021, 11:46:13 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/yankees-turn-wild-triple-play-against-blue-jays

It was wild to watch to start with and didn't become less absurd over replays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 10:19:07 AM
Nice job by Yanks.  Clearly a baserunning mistake by the young Bichette.

Conversation in one of my Facebook groups going on right now of how young players, even the elite, just do not know basic baseball skills.

Where is Bichette going?  It's hit back to the mound for Christ sake.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2021, 12:16:16 PM
Nice job by Yanks.  Clearly a baserunning mistake by the young Bichette.

Conversation in one of my Facebook groups going on right now of how young players, even the elite, just do not know basic baseball skills.

Where is Bichette going?  It's hit back to the mound for Christ sake.

Both baserunners botched it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 12:27:07 PM
How?  Bichette was trapped.  If not its 2nd and 3rd one out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2021, 12:46:29 PM
How?  Bichette was trapped.  If not its 2nd and 3rd one out.

Quote
LeMahieu then threw it to shortstop Gleyber Torres in the middle of the infield, who quickly sent it to catcher Gary Sánchez, sensing Marcus Semien was in no-man's land between third and home plate. The backstop threw it to third baseman Gio Urshela, who tagged Semien out.

If Semien stays home, then it's a runner on third with two outs. If when they go after Semien, Bichette goes back to 2nd, it's a runner on 2nd with two outs.

Bichette screwed up. Then Semien did. Then Bichette again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 12:52:19 PM
If Semien stays home, then it's a runner on third with two outs. If when they go after Semien, Bichette goes back to 2nd, it's a runner on 2nd with two outs.


But that would be dumb.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2021, 01:31:57 PM
If Semien stays home, then it's a runner on third with two outs. If when they go after Semien, Bichette goes back to 2nd, it's a runner on 2nd with two outs.


But that would be dumb.

No. Going off the base to try to save Bichette was dumb, as demonstrated by the play. All if did was get him out instead of the runner on 2nd. Which would you rather have? The runner on 2nd with two outs or the runner on 3rd?

By the time Semien made his move, two outs were nearly guaranteed. He just changed which baserunner it was going to be who was out. There was no advantage to his getting himself out so Bichette could try for third - Semien was already there.

And he had ~0 shot at home.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 02:15:25 PM
No. Going off the base to try to save Bichette was dumb, as demonstrated by the play. All if did was get him out instead of the runner on 2nd. Which would you rather have? The runner on 2nd with two outs or the runner on 3rd?


You would rather the run down be between third and home than between second and third. 

Bichette's second mistake was not getting to 3B in time.  Bichette on 3rd, once he made the initial mistake - with 2 down - should have been the worst outcome for Jays if done properly.  Best of course being Semien scoring.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 02:17:39 PM
If you see that play 20 times, 20 times you will see the player leave 3B.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2021, 06:33:35 PM
No. Going off the base to try to save Bichette was dumb, as demonstrated by the play. All if did was get him out instead of the runner on 2nd. Which would you rather have? The runner on 2nd with two outs or the runner on 3rd?


You would rather the run down be between third and home than between second and third. 

Bichette's second mistake was not getting to 3B in time.  Bichette on 3rd, once he made the initial mistake - with 2 down - should have been the worst outcome for Jays if done properly.  Best of course being Semien scoring.

I said "Going off the base to try to save Bichette was dumb, as demonstrated by the play. All if did was get him out instead of the runner on 2nd"

You asked "You would rather the run down be between third and home than between second and third."

I'm trying to stay away from personal insults, Kid. I'm trying very hard.

But since I argued already that I thought the runner on third screwed up and should have stayed home, I really don't have the faintest what you are pretending I said.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2021, 06:35:38 PM
If you see that play 20 times, 20 times you will see the player leave 3B.

So YOU are saying that "You would rather the run down be between third and home than between second and third."

Not me.

Got it.

If you see that play 20 times, at least 19 of them will result in the runner going home being out. And more than half the time, the runner on 2nd will retreat, not get thrown out at 3rd.

But I am pretty sure that you won't see the runner on third going quite that far. Otherwise we would have more triple plays of that sort.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 07:05:06 PM
The trail runner's job is to get to third.

The lead runner tries to score on a botched rundown or obstruction by the defense.

Yes.  Most times after a bonehead gaffe such as Bichette's there will be 02 men out when play is over.

Note:. The one lifeline Bichette has in this is if the contact play was on.  If it was then Semien should have just dashed home (on contact = as soon as ball is struck on the ground) and got hung up allowing batter to get to second and Bichette to third

No charge for the lesson
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2021, 07:11:10 PM
The trail runner's job is to get to third.

The lead runner tries to score on a botched rundown or obstruction by the defense.

Yes.  Most times after a bonehead gaffe such as Bichette's there will be 02 men out when play is over.

Note:. The one lifeline Bichette has in this is if the contact play was on.  If it was then Semien should have just dashed home (on contact = as soon as ball is struck on the ground) and got hung up allowing batter to get to second and Bichette to third

No charge for the lesson

Thanks, Coach.

So, yes, you are saying you prefer there be a rundown between 3rd and home.

And no, in that situation, the runner on third should have held and the runner picked off 2nd should have been allowed to be out.

Otherwise, as I said, we would have many more such triple plays.

Remind me not to hire you to teach Little Leaguers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 07:44:13 PM
The trail runner's job is to get to third.

The lead runner tries to score on a botched rundown or obstruction by the defense.

Yes.  Most times after a bonehead gaffe such as Bichette's there will be 02 men out when play is over.

Note:. The one lifeline Bichette has in this is if the contact play was on.  If it was then Semien should have just dashed home (on contact = as soon as ball is struck on the ground) and got hung up allowing batter to get to second and Bichette to third

No charge for the lesson

Thanks, Coach.

So, yes, you are saying you prefer there be a rundown between 3rd and home.



Of course.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 18, 2021, 07:45:33 PM
And defensively you teach to change the rundown to whatever is closest to home if 2 guys are off base

Which is exactly what Yanks did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2021, 07:51:30 PM
And defensively you teach to change the rundown to whatever is closest to home if 2 guys are off base

Which is exactly what Yanks did.

Which is why you teach the players to not to leave 3rd base when the idiot runner left 2nd and got picked off.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 19, 2021, 01:17:48 AM
Everybody in the ALE lost today except Baltimore, which is okay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 19, 2021, 04:53:15 PM
And defensively you teach to change the rundown to whatever is closest to home if 2 guys are off base

Which is exactly what Yanks did.

Which is why you teach the players to not to leave 3rd base when the idiot runner left 2nd and got picked off.

Yeah.  The he's dead, ain't nothing I can do" maneuver.  Sheer fucking brilliance.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 19, 2021, 05:02:31 PM
And defensively you teach to change the rundown to whatever is closest to home if 2 guys are off base

Which is exactly what Yanks did.

Which is why you teach the players to not to leave 3rd base when the idiot runner left 2nd and got picked off.

Yeah.  The he's dead, ain't nothing I can do" maneuver.  Sheer fucking brilliance.

"ain't nothing I should do," more like.

Can do? Yes - can cause an extra out and end the inning.

Or as you would have it, "sheer fucking brilliance."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 19, 2021, 06:42:41 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31639015/tampa-bay-rays-say-ace-right-hander-tyler-glasnow-partially-torn-ucl-flexor-tendon-strain

Somehow, I think blaming the fact that MLB is going to start enforcing a rule that has been around for a long time for your injury isn't wise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 19, 2021, 07:05:16 PM
Quite the 9th inning comeback by the Buffalo Blue Jays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 20, 2021, 01:14:57 AM
Seattle squandered a good sized lead, finally giving up the game tying run in the top of the 9th to the resilient Rays.

But they recovered in the bottom of the 10th to win.

A good game, well played.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 20, 2021, 10:35:00 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31639015/tampa-bay-rays-say-ace-right-hander-tyler-glasnow-partially-torn-ucl-flexor-tendon-strain

Somehow, I think blaming the fact that MLB is going to start enforcing a rule that has been around for a long time for your injury isn't wise.

BAUER has a good solution.  Make all the game balls sticky from the get go - with all pitchers then using the same safer baseball.  He envisions a machine to do the application.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 20, 2021, 06:29:24 PM
Disappointing ending to the weekend in KC.

Go Seattle!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 20, 2021, 07:21:48 PM
Disappointing ending to the weekend in KC.

Go Seattle!

TB has lost 6 in a row, four of them on walk-offs including all three games with Seattle.

This is also, the announcer said, the first time Seattle has swept a 3 game set with Tampa Bay.

Walk off grand slam is quite exciting, even if the score was tied.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 22, 2021, 09:55:19 AM
Sawamura a real find

Can Sox - as mediocre as they are - hold on to a playoff spot?

Baseball karma would say no, we'll see
Well, the Sox are 4 up on us, and we are one Aaron Civale blister away from a pitching staff comprising nothing but relievers....
THAT WAS A FUCKING JOKE NOT A SUGGESTION!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 22, 2021, 09:58:44 PM
In MLB, when a player strikes out each of his first two trips in a game vs the starting pitcher, what do you think their average is in 3rd at bats of that game, given that the same pitcher is in the game?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 22, 2021, 10:06:04 PM
I really hate The Trop, even when events go in our favor from the stupid catwalks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 22, 2021, 11:06:43 PM
After 10 innings, this game (Bos at TB) is just nuts.

On to the 11th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 22, 2021, 11:35:07 PM
After 10 innings, this game (Bos at TB) is just nuts.

On to the 11th.

It should have been an error, but the 1st baseman never touched it, so "double" is the scoring decision.

I'll take it - 9-5 final score.

The runner on 2nd to start each half inning loses much of its excitement when the home team is losing my more than one run.

And it still feels like Little League to me. Ditto the 7 inning games for double headers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 22, 2021, 11:54:22 PM
I hate the 7 inning dh games but, strangely, don’t mind the runner on second rule.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2021, 12:37:47 AM
Another sloppy game resulting in a defeat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2021, 09:55:06 PM
I really hate listening to Dave, especially during a potential no-no, as the game gets later.

I know he doesn't believe in jinxes, but he really doesn't need to repeat it multiple times during the half-inning that a no-no is in process.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2021, 12:43:00 AM
A lovely game this evening.

Not tight and that's getting to be a problem. But tension-filled.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 26, 2021, 06:24:26 AM
I absolutely despise the 7 inning Doubleheaders, and the ghost runners in extra innings.

The worst commissioner in baseball used to be Kenesaw Mountain Landis, followed by Bowie Kuhn and then Bud Selig, but Rob "Meddling" Manfred has outdone those them all with his incompetance.

Get him the fuck out.

Time for fans to go to the park and raise their banners that say, "Manfred Must Go!" or "Impeach Manfred!" or whatever.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2021, 01:24:23 PM
I like seven inning rule.  Other than being a traditionalist, not sure why one would argue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 26, 2021, 02:38:51 PM
I like seven inning rule.  Other than being a traditionalist, not sure why one would argue.

Why note make all games 7 innings, then.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2021, 02:41:44 PM
I like seven inning rule.  Other than being a traditionalist, not sure why one would argue.

Why 7? Why not 6 or 8 or 5?

Why not allow a scheduled 7 inning game to be a no-hitter?

Why not change all the games to be 7 innings?

Why shorten it to 7 innings instead of making double headers take 2 strikes for an out and 3 balls for a walk?

Hey, make extra innings have fewer fielders! That will increase the runs, just like running 3 skaters in OT.

Kid, all the rules are based on tradition. Why not ditch any that make the game take longer?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 26, 2021, 03:22:30 PM
I like seven inning rule.  Other than being a traditionalist, not sure why one would argue.

Why 7? Why not 6 or 8 or 5?

Well, why 9?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2021, 03:31:46 PM
I like seven inning rule.  Other than being a traditionalist, not sure why one would argue.

Why 7? Why not 6 or 8 or 5?

Well, why 9?

Because, as Kid pointed out, it's traditional. Get rid of 9 and suddenly a ton of stats are meaningless when applied to a new game.

No idea why they linked the number of players to the number of innings, but they did.
https://www.mlb.com/cut4/stories-behind-baseball-rules-c210241338#:~:text=Sensing%20that%20an%20official%20ruling,Why%20162%20games%3F
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2021, 06:40:33 PM
I like seven inning rule.  Other than being a traditionalist, not sure why one would argue.

Why 7? Why not 6 or 8 or 5?

Why not allow a scheduled 7 inning game to be a no-hitter?

Why not change all the games to be 7 innings?

Why shorten it to 7 innings instead of making double headers take 2 strikes for an out and 3 balls for a walk?

Hey, make extra innings have fewer fielders! That will increase the runs, just like running 3 skaters in OT.

Kid, all the rules are based on tradition. Why not ditch any that make the game take longer?

You, sir - are a fucking moron.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2021, 06:42:26 PM
Kid, all the rules are based on tradition. Why not ditch any that make the game take longer?


Shortening a long DAY, not just a game.

And focused on player health/overall wellness.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2021, 07:10:13 PM
Heh

Phils...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 26, 2021, 07:28:43 PM
There needs to be a law against them showing a Limu Emu commercial after suffering through a Stanton AB. How much torture can people take?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2021, 08:14:27 PM
I like seven inning rule.  Other than being a traditionalist, not sure why one would argue.

Why 7? Why not 6 or 8 or 5?

Why not allow a scheduled 7 inning game to be a no-hitter?

Why not change all the games to be 7 innings?

Why shorten it to 7 innings instead of making double headers take 2 strikes for an out and 3 balls for a walk?

Hey, make extra innings have fewer fielders! That will increase the runs, just like running 3 skaters in OT.

Kid, all the rules are based on tradition. Why not ditch any that make the game take longer?

You, sir - are a fucking moron.

Your carefully reasoned response is noted, Kid.

You have no answers, just an insult.

But what else is new?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2021, 08:33:15 PM
Kid, all the rules are based on tradition. Why not ditch any that make the game take longer?


Shortening a long DAY, not just a game.

And focused on player health/overall wellness.

Kid, all the rules are based on tradition. Why not ditch any that make the game take longer on days with double headers?! (Did I really need to specify that?!)

Your erudite dismissal of why not 6 or 8 instead of 7 doesn't make the question moronic. Ditto the changes in what constitutes a strikeout or a walk - the suggestion of changing from 3 to 2 and 4 to 3 to shorten games is hardly original to me. Every count starts 1-1. Why not do that for double headers? Or reduce the number of outs to 2 per inning? As a trial, anyway.

I'm not recommending any of those. I am suggesting that they are just as legitimate as the 7 inning change in "solving" the problems they are trying to solve.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 26, 2021, 09:02:01 PM
Consecutive hits for the Yankees. The ball should go to Cooperstown.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2021, 10:05:49 PM
I'm not recommending any of those.


Good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 27, 2021, 12:02:41 AM
Consecutive hits for the Yankees. The ball should go to Cooperstown.

Sox tried to let them back in, but the Yankees refused.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 27, 2021, 11:10:03 AM
Holy shit - the GIANTS!

How the hell are they doing this?

9-1 last 10, 50-26 overall
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 27, 2021, 12:02:43 PM
Holy shit - the GIANTS!

How the hell are they doing this?

9-1 last 10, 50-26 overall

Yaz and the Impossible Dream.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 27, 2021, 12:37:46 PM
Holy shit - the GIANTS!

How the hell are they doing this?

9-1 last 10, 50-26 overall

Pitching, pitching, and pitching.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 27, 2021, 04:47:25 PM
Nice follow-up sweep of the Yankees.

And the Angels managed to avoid the sweep by the Rays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 27, 2021, 05:56:13 PM
Shocking how bad the Yankees are. They went into the season so confident. How could they not be with all the great lefty bats in their line-up and the consistent greatness of Judge, Stanton and Stanton and Sanchez?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 27, 2021, 06:39:33 PM
Boone cant survive the AS break, can he?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 27, 2021, 06:44:20 PM
Any indication the new MLB enforcement on sticky stuff affected G Cole today?  Just curious.

Big news/controversy in baseball of course is the NC State team being bounced from CWS due to COVID testing.  Vandy gets the walkover and will face Mississippi State.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/31711201/nc-state-college-world-series-due-covid-19-issues-vanderbilt-finals
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on June 27, 2021, 06:51:02 PM
If George were still running things I imagine Boone would be fired. Maybe he’ll hang on. I inagine most realize that the blame rests with Cashman.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 27, 2021, 06:52:55 PM
Boone cant survive the AS break, can he?
Ys looked dead today.

I posted elsewhere at 6-0, that the Ys had Boonie's back today.

The old man probably would have fired him by now, and no one would complain. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 27, 2021, 07:55:56 PM
Boone cant survive the AS break, can he?
Ys looked dead today.

I posted elsewhere at 6-0, that the Ys had Boonie's back today.

The old man probably would have fired him by now, and no one would complain.

His heart ain't strong enough for this
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2021, 08:15:26 AM
Cleveland Ballet in Right Field yields gruesome injury: https://news.yahoo.com/clevelands-josh-naylor-hospitalized-after-gruesome-ankle-injury-220721522.html (https://news.yahoo.com/clevelands-josh-naylor-hospitalized-after-gruesome-ankle-injury-220721522.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 28, 2021, 09:16:59 AM
Cleveland Ballet in Right Field yields gruesome injury: https://news.yahoo.com/clevelands-josh-naylor-hospitalized-after-gruesome-ankle-injury-220721522.html (https://news.yahoo.com/clevelands-josh-naylor-hospitalized-after-gruesome-ankle-injury-220721522.html)

Very gruesome. Ow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 28, 2021, 11:18:01 AM
Cleveland Ballet in Right Field yields gruesome injury: https://news.yahoo.com/clevelands-josh-naylor-hospitalized-after-gruesome-ankle-injury-220721522.html (https://news.yahoo.com/clevelands-josh-naylor-hospitalized-after-gruesome-ankle-injury-220721522.html)
It is bad enough we now have no.starting pitchers, we are now in danger of completely running out of Naylors! I would note that our lack of starters is self inflicted - we have traded a shit ton of really good starting pitching the last few years - but of the four we traded, Cleavinger and Carrasco have not pitched all year, Kluber is toast, so only Trevor Bauer would really be able to help us now. Well, we also traded Plutko, but he does not count as "really good starting pitching".

That we are still in contention proves two things: the A L Central sucks donkeys, and Francona is a fucking wizard.

Boy,.autocorrect is a dick to former Cleveland starters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 28, 2021, 11:53:35 AM
Dont worry - Josh Wolf is just years away

Why did you waive Rob Kaminsky?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2021, 10:18:52 PM
shaky start
strong finish
good CFBW
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 28, 2021, 10:48:39 PM
shaky start
strong finish
good CFBW

All that.

But do we have to win so many games CFB?! About half our wins have come that way.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 28, 2021, 11:05:55 PM
shaky start
strong finish
good CFBW

All that.

But do we have to win so many games CFB?! About half our wins have come that way.
its crazy
but they're fun to watch and you sense they feel they're never out of it.

"Joey" is doing a nice job

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 29, 2021, 12:42:58 AM
Helluva an ending to the Astros/O's game tonight. Tie game going into the 9th. 7 runs scored and the winning run up in the bottom of the 9th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 29, 2021, 09:51:57 AM
shaky start
strong finish
good CFBW

All that.

But do we have to win so many games CFB?! About half our wins have come that way.
its crazy
but they're fun to watch and you sense they feel they're never out of it.

"Joey" is doing a nice job

heh

Put him in the HALL!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on June 29, 2021, 12:25:51 PM
shaky start
strong finish
good CFBW

All that.

But do we have to win so many games CFB?! About half our wins have come that way.
its crazy
but they're fun to watch and you sense they feel they're never out of it.

"Joey" is doing a nice job

heh

Put him in the HALL!

I'd keep Joey on the bench as he seems to enjoy it and is doing a fine job there.

Not sure what he'd do in the hall.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 30, 2021, 12:18:55 AM
Another day, another CFBW.

Just amazing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 30, 2021, 09:12:54 PM
Ohtani had a very short game today, out before the 2nd was over.

That the game went into rain delay in the bottom of the 3rd doesn't change that he gave up 7 runs.

And, of course, left them without a hitter to lead off except with pinch hitters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2021, 12:30:59 AM
Ohtani had a very short game today, out before the 1st was over.

That the game went into rain delay in the bottom of the 3rd doesn't change that he gave up 7 runs.

And, of course, left them without a hitter to lead off except with pinch hitters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2021, 12:32:02 AM
Today, the Red Sox only had to overcome a 1 run deficit.

Practically a laugher.

Good game for the Bosox. TB had a less good game against the Nationals.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2021, 01:11:10 AM
Brutal loss in da Bronx.  An all timer kick in the nuts game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2021, 04:07:24 AM
Brutal loss in da Bronx.  An all timer kick in the nuts game.

Wow!

I'd given up on the game at 8-4.

My mistake.

Is Aaron Boone still managing this team after the All Star break?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 09:46:58 AM
And Ohtani got to rest.....

Nice.  (Not that he helped my fantasy team)

I see Mets blocked the third Atlanta extra point.

Fun times in nonsticky MLB.  What can we do now to curtail hitters?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2021, 10:06:27 AM
Brutal loss in da Bronx.  An all timer kick in the nuts game.

Wow!

I'd given up on the game at 8-4.

My mistake.

Is Aaron Boone still managing this team after the All Star break?!

Boonie is probably hanging on by a thread.

If the Ys don't show well in the upcoming subway series, (starts tomorrow) Hal may give George a posthumous birthday present on Sunday, which he can add to his collection of fired managers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 10:09:39 AM
And what of Cashman?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 10:14:43 AM
In Boone's defense, what was he to do?

Walk, FC, walk, walk, grand slam.  With his closer on the hill.  Then he removes Chapman (24 pitches) and it blows up again, starting with another walk.

Juan Lagares buys the beer, having gone 0-2 in one inning.

I'd be interested to hear what Chapman thinks - if he has changed his usage of pine tar/whatever since the new MLB mandate.  Ohtani as well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 01, 2021, 10:20:09 AM
I think this is all on Cashman. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2021, 10:50:36 AM
In Boone's defense, what was he to do?

...

I'd be interested to hear what Chapman thinks - if he has changed his usage of pine tar/whatever since the new MLB mandate.  Ohtani as well.

Get Chapman off the field after the third walk. He obviously didn't have it, for whatever reason. From the NYDN:
Quote
In his last eight appearances, Chapman has allowed 11 earned runs, three home runs and he has walked eight. In his first 23 appearances, Chapman was practically untouchable, allowing one earned run over 23.1 innings pitched.


I agree with Yank that Cashman's "to blame" for this, though I think more may be on Boone than that suggests.

Same NYDN story:
Quote
German has allowed 17 earned runs over 15.1 innings pitched in his last four starts. The slight 28-year-old has racked up 76 innings this season, after having missed the entire 2020 season serving his 81-game suspension under the MLB/MLBPA joint domestic violence policy. Even back in 2019, when German had his breakout 18-win season going until he was suspended, there was concern about his durability. He was gassed in the second half of the season and was being transitioned to the bullpen for the playoffs when he was suspended.

Boone's got to pull the plug on German or something, but he hasn't. And Chapman's performance fits with his other recent work, for all that Boone said he thinks there is no problem there.

Quote
The spin rate on Chapman's fastball was down 129 rpm. His fastball velocity was also down 2.3 mph overall. But that wasn't all. The spin rate on Chapman's slider was down 184 rpm. CBS Sports, Jun 11, 2021

As for Ohtani, his ERA the last 4 games before last night was 2.07 and his first game under sticky stuff enforcement looked an awful lot like the three games before it - one or two runs over 5 or 6 innings. A walk or two.  0 or 1 HBP.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2021, 11:16:56 AM
I think this is all on Cashman.

I think Cashman has generally done a good job in making the Ys competitive for 20+ years. But he's had the advantage of signing big checks that most GMs don't. IMO he's put together a beer league line-up of mashers, who if not hitting dingers, are not all that good at playing baseball.

I thought his one bit of inspired GMing was trading the BP (Miller and Chapman) and restocking the farm

As I recall the idea of firing Girardi, who I thought was a good manager, was for the new guy to be more of a conduit for the thoughts and strategies designed by the GM and the analytical dept. So if we believe that rationale was accurate, Cashman is responsible. 

But Boone is probably more exposed to the whims of Hal, and what to get George for his birthday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2021, 02:31:36 PM
I think this is all on Cashman.

I think Cashman has generally done a good job in making the Ys competitive for 20+ years. But he's had the advantage of signing big checks that most GMs don't. IMO he's put together a beer league line-up of mashers, who if not hitting dingers, are not all that good at playing baseball.

I thought his one bit of inspired GMing was trading the BP (Miller and Chapman) and restocking the farm

As I recall the idea of firing Girardi, who I thought was a good manager, was for the new guy to be more of a conduit for the thoughts and strategies designed by the GM and the analytical dept. So if we believe that rationale was accurate, Cashman is responsible. 

But Boone is probably more exposed to the whims of Hal, and what to get George for his birthday.

And Hal has come out in support of "Boony."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2021, 02:32:44 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/celebrate-bobby-bonilla-day-with-mets-airbnb

A unique turn to this Bobby Bonilla Day, announced by the Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 02:52:18 PM
Get Chapman off the field after the third walk. He obviously didn't have it, for whatever reason.


I wouldn't have
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 03:23:55 PM
Re-watching Yanks-Angels

Ohtani was fucked by the umpire on 3-2 vs first batter of the game.

Then the guy missed another (I am still watching, at 2-1 Angels)

Has decent stuff.  Location - and some would say selection - not great.  Slider flat a couple times.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 03:29:08 PM
Should be right now - K,BB, BB, soft single, soft single, K and a 2-1 Angels lead.  Andujar up.  32 pitches, 0-2 count.  Split - ball.  Weak ground ball to third - inning should be over

Would be 2-1 Angels after 1, Ohtani still in but at 34 pitches.

I assume next guy gets a hit.  0-2 on Frazier.....plunked him

Not one ball hit hard...

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 03:32:41 PM
Another missed call - on 2-0 to Gardner.  3 in one inning.

Curtains as Gardner walks.

Sad.

Fans come to see stars, not tightshit umpiring.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2021, 03:54:44 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/hal-steinbrenner-believes-in-yankees-potential

It's the players. Nobody works harder than the coaches. And Cashman put together a good team, even if Hal wishes there were more left handed hitters in the lineup.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 01, 2021, 04:29:59 PM
No CFBW @ Fenway today.

although the Royals mounted a valiant 9th inning effort to get back into the game they came up short.


nice homestand

off to the West Coast for the 4th
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 01, 2021, 09:16:39 PM
EOVALDI!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 02, 2021, 07:55:15 AM
Looks like Trevor Bauer has developed a devastating back door slider.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 02, 2021, 08:29:34 PM
Judge calls emotional players-only meeting says an article on MLB.

I wonder what the stoic players did during that time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2021, 12:48:48 AM
The Red Sox scored fast in the 10th after Barnes blew the save in the bottom of the 9th and hung on to that 1 run lead on a brilliant throw home from Kike Hernandez nailing the runner.

Soon as I catch my breath, I will watch a replay or two of that play, then head to bed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2021, 01:26:28 AM
Just saw the play. Brings to mind Jose  Tartabull  from many summers past.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on July 03, 2021, 05:05:39 AM
Looks like Trevor Bauer has developed a devastating back door slider.
😁😂
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2021, 11:22:53 AM
Mike Lupica in the NYDN:
Quote
Hal clearly wants everybody to get along. Good guy, totally. So is Cashman. So is Boone. But you wonder how many more World Series the Red Sox have to win before Steinbrenner the son wakes up, and finally shakes things up on 161st Street.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 03, 2021, 11:50:30 AM
If Lupica is arguing that the Red Sox should be a model I think he’s correct. If he’s arguing that the Yankees should make personnel decisions based on what the Red Sox  are doing or may be doing, he couldn’t be more wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2021, 11:55:31 AM
If Lupica is arguing that the Red Sox should be a model I think he’s correct. If he’s arguing that the Yankees should make personnel decisions based on what the Red Sox  are doing or may be doing, he couldn’t be more wrong.

The rest of the column suggests the former, in addition to other reasons that Steinbrenner should change what he is doing. I just found that particular passage striking.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2021, 12:33:45 PM
Lupica lauds Henry's approach (he calls Henry the best owner in baseball) which I will define as Henry's openness to taking new paths, and accepting the risk in change.

As a Sox fan I've enjoyed the numerous successes, but at times felt whiplashed by seemingly constant change, from starting 9 to front-office. Say what you will, but its dynamic.

IMO, and just throwing this out, perhaps Henry's success and abilities as a hedge fund manager gives him a solid framework for assessing risk and reward and the trade-offs he must accept. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2021, 12:37:43 PM
Lupica lauds Henry's approach (he calls Henry the best owner in baseball) which I will define as Henry's openness to taking new paths, and accepting the risk in change.

As a Sox fan I've enjoyed the numerous successes, but at times felt whiplashed by seemingly constant change, from starting 9 to front-office. Say what you will, but its dynamic.

IMO, and just throwing this out, perhaps Henry's success and abilities as a hedge fund manager gives him a solid framework for assessing risk and reward and the trade-offs he must accept.

It is as good a theory as any, Banks, and better than any I have had.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2021, 12:56:10 PM
Lupica lauds Henry's approach (he calls Henry the best owner in baseball) which I will define as Henry's openness to taking new paths, and accepting the risk in change.

As a Sox fan I've enjoyed the numerous successes, but at times felt whiplashed by seemingly constant change, from starting 9 to front-office. Say what you will, but its dynamic.

IMO, and just throwing this out, perhaps Henry's success and abilities as a hedge fund manager gives him a solid framework for assessing risk and reward and the trade-offs he must accept.

It is as good a theory as any, Banks, and better than any I have had.

and maybe bodes well for the Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2021, 03:34:22 PM
The boo birds are out in force in Yankee Stadium.

And it's not the visiting Mets fans doing the booing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2021, 07:21:13 PM
nice to hear the famillar voice of of former Sox PbP man Don Orsillo doing the game.

I always thought he and Remy were pretty good and fun (sometimes a little too silly) to listen to.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2021, 10:44:30 PM
I wish the Red Sox would stop trying to steal with Gonzales and Santana late in games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2021, 11:44:51 PM
I wish the Red Sox would stop trying to steal with Gonzales and Santana late in games.

I also wish that Andriese would not pitch in tight ball games.

And I wish for this home plate ump to be investigated for his "strikes" against one team, but balls for the other, on pitches off the plate to the outside.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 03, 2021, 11:49:59 PM
watching Andriese is painful

I was wondering if they would go to Workman for 1 more

and yup on those attempted steals, particularly the out at 3rd, took the bat out of JD's hand.

spilled milk



 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2021, 07:05:21 PM
that was one of the best nail-biting series

3 play-off feeling games

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 04, 2021, 07:08:33 PM
Quite the game today! All Star Matt Barnes seals the deal on >30 pitches, the most of this season by him.

Meanwhile, in NY, Chapman gave up 3 runs on a homer, walk, hbp, and 0 outs - with the help of the rest of the Y's bull[pen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2021, 07:17:13 PM
Yankees know how to throw a birthday party for beloved iconic turtled necked George

that was a helluva 7th inning in da Bronx

with the Mets providing the fireworks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 04, 2021, 08:12:05 PM
Never in sports history has such a mediocre team occupied so much space in non-fans minds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 04, 2021, 08:37:34 PM
Never in sports history has such a mediocre team occupied so much space in non-fans minds.

The Mets, for years.

The Pats in 2020.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 04, 2021, 08:42:50 PM
If you say so. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 04, 2021, 09:09:55 PM
Mix-in their history, their pedigree, their address in the media center of this country et voila you get an overhyped team that's expected to win every year.

And their fans think they do.

So when they blow-up in spectacular fashion as they have done a few times over the past couple of weeks it draws attention.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 05, 2021, 11:25:16 PM
I know that tonight's game is not even halfway done, but tomorrow's pitching match up is pretty good! Two newly minted All Star hurlers in Eovaldi and Ohtani will share the mound. Serially.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 06, 2021, 01:34:27 AM
Holy shit that was fun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 06, 2021, 02:20:21 AM
Holy shit that was fun.

But I really could do without those lead off walks by closers with only a 1 or 2 run lead!

TB had a fine bottom of the 9th rally to come back and win and I was imagining the Angels doing the same!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 06, 2021, 12:03:51 PM
Given the # of nail-biters they've played over the past week (6 1-run games, they won 5 of 6) having a 2-run lead going onto the 9th seemed like adequate breathing room.

And it was

barely.

Looking forward to another late night tonight

and Evo-v Babe2.0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 07, 2021, 12:39:51 AM
Good game by Ohtani and the Angels.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 07, 2021, 09:12:01 AM
So ESPN has Mets-Brewers.  Once the rain out is official, switch is to Red Sox-Angels.  Nice. 

But never mind - they give us a half inning then force us to watch YNks-Mariners.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 07, 2021, 09:47:38 AM
thought I could breeze on back to back west coast night games-nope bailed at 3-1 last night, around the 5th.

day game today

got a shot at that one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 07, 2021, 03:32:48 PM
Corbin Burnes v deGrom

Going Brewers way thus far

JDG - 2 hits allowed, both solo shots.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 07, 2021, 04:37:34 PM
DeGrom bailed out from the loss column second game in a row as Peraza ties it off Hader bottom 7

4 hits, 0 BB, 10K for JDG over 7
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 07, 2021, 05:51:31 PM
OHTANI!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 09, 2021, 11:20:09 PM
A decent start by Richards after a slightly off beginning.

A good performance by the hitters.

A nice win. Welcome home, Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 10, 2021, 03:52:12 PM
MLB's Hall of Fame is running a scavenger hunt at the museum:
https://magazine.northeast.aaa.com/daily/life/express-lane/national-baseball-hall-of-fame
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 10, 2021, 11:07:40 PM
Speaking of the Hall of Fame, Joe Pepitone is suing them.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10007459-former-yankee-joe-pepitone-sues-baseball-hof-over-mickey-mantles-500th-hr-bat
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 11, 2021, 05:25:41 PM
CC Sabathia on addiction and recovery.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cc-sabathia-details-new-book-till-the-end/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 11, 2021, 06:10:59 PM
Wow, the Yankees are bad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 11, 2021, 06:31:24 PM
Wow, the Yankees are bad.

I assumed you were being facetious, as when I last checked they were up, 7-2 going into the 9th, going for a sweep against a pretty good team.

seems I assumed too much.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 11, 2021, 07:33:43 PM
The Covid team got the series win in Beanvikke, today. With all the injuries and the ineffective pen, only 3.5 back of the Amazing Mets.

I'll take it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 11, 2021, 08:32:36 PM
Good series for the Phils, that was a helluva 8th inning yesterday

Sox coulda used some of that in today's 8th, couldn't get a hit with bases jammed

offense been struggling a bit since they left for Oakland, good time for a break.


Sox pick Marcelo Mayer with #4 pick

from the Globe



In the weeks leading up to the MLB Draft, there seemed just one certainty regarding the Red Sox’ choices at the No. 4 overall pick: Shortstop Marcelo Mayer of Eastlake (Calif.) High School would not be available.

So much for certainty.

In a startling turn of events, the Red Sox landed Mayer with their No. 4 selection on Sunday. The 6-foot-3 18-year-old features smooth defense at short and a gorgeous lefthanded swing that suggests both the ability to hit for average and power. As a senior, he hit .392/.555/.886 with 14 homers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 11, 2021, 10:14:56 PM
I take it you think it's a good pick?

Had Leiter also been available, would you have taken Leiter, instead?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 11, 2021, 11:36:35 PM
Sox draft second coming of Stephen Drew

Mets get Kumar Fucking Rocker.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 12, 2021, 09:00:40 AM
I take it you think it's a good pick?

Had Leiter also been available, would you have taken Leiter, instead?

I read 2 or 3 articles pre-draft, so they are just names to me.

I may have seen Leiter or Rocker pitch as I channel-surfed the college WS games.

But HS kids, nope.

LSS, no opinion.

Those that do, think the Sox picked the best position player in the draft.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 12, 2021, 09:34:05 AM
The Angels canned their radio announcer after 4 months - mind you, a guy they had before. No word on why, but I loved this explanation from a fan:

Quote

It's a cost-saving move, they will replace him with Shohei Otani, who seems to easily play multiple roles.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 12, 2021, 03:22:55 PM
Yanks get an excellent infield prospect round 1

Mets simply killing it this draft.

I do like the Florida outfielder Sox nabbed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 12, 2021, 08:08:32 PM
The National Anthem is awful.

And the closed captioning is worse.

"Land of the Flee..." OMG!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 12, 2021, 08:25:30 PM
Ohtani should have sung it.

In impeccable English.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 12, 2021, 09:44:50 PM
Shoh-time is over for the HR Derby.

A good thing, since he's pitching tomorrow!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 12, 2021, 10:23:13 PM
Alonso's ballin'
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 12, 2021, 11:03:46 PM
Alonso's ballin'

He still had more than half the bonus time to go when he won. Just as he had more than a minute and a half left in the 2nd round.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2021, 04:03:58 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10007688-stephen-a-smith-addresses-shohei-ohtani-comments-i-was-wrong-period

I'm glad he apologized. I don't know if that will be enough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2021, 06:29:25 PM

Poll open until first (real) pitch of the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 13, 2021, 07:58:45 PM
Where's the "see ya next year" in the poll?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2021, 08:05:33 PM
Where's the "see ya next year" in the poll?

It's right here in your post, asshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 13, 2021, 09:06:38 PM
The AL unis remind me of the Pats color rush unis, and they suck. IMO just wear your team colors.

TRADITION

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 13, 2021, 11:34:49 PM
A foreigner, not fluent in English, is awarded the MVP in America's past time.

Stephen A. Smith will not be happy.

He will however be quiet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2021, 11:37:48 PM
The AL is triumphant again, demonstrating the superiority of the league.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 13, 2021, 11:41:30 PM
Now why would you do that?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2021, 11:45:41 PM
Now why would you do that?

Why would who do what?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 13, 2021, 11:49:42 PM
Trolling for HamPig
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on July 15, 2021, 03:34:05 AM
A foreigner, not fluent in English, is awarded the MVP in America's past time.

Stephen A. Smith will not be happy.

He will however be quiet.
😂😂
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 15, 2021, 09:58:46 AM
Who watches the ASG?

Not folks like this!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/562991-mlb-all-star-game-whiffs-earns-lowest-ratings-in-history-heres-why%3famp (https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/562991-mlb-all-star-game-whiffs-earns-lowest-ratings-in-history-heres-why%3famp)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2021, 10:57:51 AM
Who watches the ASG?


Ratings were up compared to 2019.

Kind of makes Rocha's argument look like sludge.

Yes, the All-Star Game's ratings suck, even compared to the halcyon days of 2015, but given that the 2019 game wasn't impacted by a venue shift, I suspect there are other forces at play.

Further, "In even better news, Monday’s Home Run Derby on ESPN and ESPN2 was the most-watched since 2017, according to Nielsen."

You don't suppose the fact that the game was on Fox might have had a depressing effect on the numbers, do you?! How about the presence of 42 first time players, suggesting a lower degree of fan familiarity and interest? Perhaps the absence of DeGrom and Betts and other such stars reduced its luster in New York and Los Angeles hurt, such that those were not among the largest viewer areas?

Maybe if Ohtani had pitched longer or had appeared later in the game, prolonging the excitement, instead of having him start and then disappear, except for the (stupid) rule change that let him bat a 2nd time despite having left the mound to another pitcher, the ratings later in the game would have been higher, given the peak in the home run derby was during his match with Soto. (Of course, had he won that match, the later game ratings would have been higher, too, but I guess at least we know the fix was not in!)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 15, 2021, 11:31:07 AM
Listening to Joe Torre on WFAN now, and when asked about his take on Sox-Yankee his one-word answer was "exhausting". While he called it the most intense rivalry in his experience, he added that after each series he would call Francona or Francona would call him, and the message was "I'm glad that craps over".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 15, 2021, 07:22:29 PM
Sox-Ys game called due to covid-19.

at least 3 Yankees test positive

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2021, 07:28:09 PM
Sox-Ys game called due to covid-19.

at least 3 Yankees test positive

Including Aaron Judge.

I can't decide if I hope they were vaccinated or hope they weren't.

But I do hope they recover swiftly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 15, 2021, 08:07:29 PM
Hadnt heard about Judge

It was Peralta, Loiasiga and one other (edit - Cortes)

- reported on TMKS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2021, 08:57:46 PM
Hadnt heard about Judge

It was Peralta, Loiasiga and one other (edit - Cortes)

- reported on TMKS

And three others not then named.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2021, 09:46:32 PM
Hadnt heard about Judge

It was Peralta, Loiasiga and one other (edit - Cortes)

- reported on TMKS

And three others not then named.

The Yankees have also indicated that not all of the 6 have been vaccinated, which is not good news. The best to hope for atm is that it is not the Delta variant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 16, 2021, 12:11:45 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/14/sports/baseball/second-basemen-changes.html

Interesting discussion, despite the silly headline.

I'll note that Mike Andrews (RS 2nd baseman for 4 years) was 6' 3" and 195 and that Jerry Adair was 6'.

It was a few years before the Sox went below 6' on a regular basis there, with Denny Doyle, the 2nd of three consecutive 2nd basemen acquired from the Angels.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 16, 2021, 11:34:38 PM
I still think of 2nd baseman as the the one position where the scrappy little guy can be a MLB star. Growing up its was Nellie Fox, with a wad of chewing tobacco bulging in his cheek, or Bobbie Richardson, and then Joe Morgan who were the role models, of the dirt dog defensive whiz who could hit a bit, and more recently Pedroia and Altuve, were the small guy who excelled at the position. IIRC it wasn't until Grich excelled at 2nd for the Os, in the early 70s, that a tall guy was considered the best fielder at the position.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 16, 2021, 11:37:59 PM
Good win to start post AS game.

Pretty decent start by ERod and nice 3-inning mop-up by "Goose" Houck.

Ys are hurting, but awinzawin
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 16, 2021, 11:52:52 PM
Good win to start post AS game.

Pretty decent start by ERod and nice 3-inning mop-up by "Goose" Houck.

Ys are hurting, but awinzawin

It's not like the Ys don't still have plenty of folks who theoretically have a ton of power!

And it was a good game by ERod, to be sure.

All 6 ILed Yankees will be on for the full 10 days. No word on which was/were not vaccinated nor on whether they might have developed symptoms.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 16, 2021, 11:57:15 PM
Privacy, after all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 17, 2021, 01:22:00 AM
Privacy, after all.

Since that is what baseball's IL has always been about.

Just like their drug policy, their PED policy, and their domestic abuse policy.

Oh, wait...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 17, 2021, 10:55:19 PM
clown show of a shit show in da Bronx.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 17, 2021, 10:57:36 PM
clown show of a shit show in da Bronx.

From the rainless rain delay to running an inning that should not have been run to the 1st base ump calling every checked swing a strike to the ridiculous out call he made (that thankfully got quickly overturned) to the fact that the umps should have called the game at the baseball thrown at the left fielder because of unsafe playing conditions...

your words are too kind.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 17, 2021, 11:04:58 PM
I like that we had a concussed ump calling ball and strikes.

I think the conspiracy was the Ys held the game and hoped the coming torrential rain would allow them to reschedule later in the season.

And it seems they got lucky
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 10:38:13 AM
I think if Covid interferes with fielding your team, you should have to forfeit the game.
There should be mandatory vac for all MLB personnel.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 18, 2021, 03:38:48 PM
So I pop the Mets game on and see it is 6-0 Pirates in the second inning - this after I read the recap of the debacle yesterday that left us at just 47-42.

I can handle losses due to injury/illness - games like yesterday make me cringe.

So, anyway - about to lose 4th straight to Pittsburgh, analysts says, well...there is still plenty of time and we have our bullpen set.  Right.......

Just checked back in and its 6-5 in the sixth.  We'll see.  Regardless, not too much hope for NYM the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 18, 2021, 04:13:48 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/pirates-score-3-runs-on-mets-mistake

At least we had a fiery managerial display
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 18, 2021, 04:55:42 PM
"And they win it.  The Mets WIN the damn thing, seven to six!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 18, 2021, 09:47:09 PM
Progress:

Philadelphia has won 10 of its past 14 games and have won four series in a row for the first time since June 12 to 24, 2018

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 18, 2021, 11:01:22 PM
Sox looked lifeless tonight against a depleted team.
 
Last night was a clown show

Sox were the clowns tonight
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2021, 09:47:44 AM
2 nights offense was shut down.  Just hope it doesn't continue.  Can Yankee bats wake to some level of consistency?  And will they add a stud?  Getting interesting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 19, 2021, 10:13:53 AM
2 nights offense was shut down.  Just hope it doesn't continue.  Can Yankee bats wake to some level of consistency?  And will they add a stud?  Getting interesting.

I think the "woke" Yankees present a real change.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 19, 2021, 10:44:18 AM
2 nights offense was shut down.  Just hope it doesn't continue.  Can Yankee bats wake to some level of consistency?  And will they add a stud?  Getting interesting.

I think the "woke" Yankees present a real change.

Do you mean challenge?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 19, 2021, 12:29:53 PM
2 nights offense was shut down.  Just hope it doesn't continue.  Can Yankee bats wake to some level of consistency?  And will they add a stud?  Getting interesting.

I think the "woke" Yankees present a real change.

Do you mean challenge?

No.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 19, 2021, 02:10:24 PM
2 nights offense was shut down.  Just hope it doesn't continue.  Can Yankee bats wake to some level of consistency?  And will they add a stud?  Getting interesting.

The Sox O struggled a bit a week before the AS break.  Hopefully they'll snap out of it, soon.

As posted before the Ys line-up reminds me of a beer league softball team that can mash, or k a lot.

But beer league teams generally don't play good baseball, but they hit monstrous homers.

Yesterday with a bunch of 4A guys they played a decent game against a very listless Sox team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2021, 03:47:48 PM
Yeah - we can follow box scores
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 19, 2021, 07:28:57 PM
2 nights offense was shut down.  Just hope it doesn't continue.  Can Yankee bats wake to some level of consistency?  And will they add a stud?  Getting interesting.

The Sox O struggled a bit a week before the AS break.  Hopefully they'll snap out of it, soon.

As posted before the Ys line-up reminds me of a beer league softball team that can mash, or k a lot.

But beer league teams generally don't play good baseball, but they hit monstrous homers.

Yesterday with a bunch of 4A guys they played a decent game against a very listless Sox team.

They seem a bit less listless tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 19, 2021, 07:37:25 PM
Bats woke up in the 1st.

I'll have to check the box score to be sure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2021, 07:53:24 PM
That's hilarious - as Jays had a double shutout yesterday.  TX got just two in the three game series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2021, 07:56:20 PM
My guy Duran must have done something, no?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 19, 2021, 08:03:37 PM
I thought you followed box scores, no?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 19, 2021, 08:04:12 PM
My guy Duran must have done something, no?

Tatum went yard in the 1st.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 19, 2021, 08:10:49 PM
My guy Duran must have done something, no?

Tatum went yard in the 1st.

heh

Coming up for his 2nd AB, in the 2nd, with bases jammed and new pitcher coming in.

edit. Duran No Mas 4-3 to end inning

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2021, 09:51:38 PM
Go, Ben!


https://www.foxnews.com/sports/wife-ben-zobrist-divorce-coaxed-him-return
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
TX getting shut out again - Jeeeeezus.

That's a 2-39 line score the last 4 games
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 20, 2021, 12:48:22 AM
Go, Ben!


https://www.foxnews.com/sports/wife-ben-zobrist-divorce-coaxed-him-return

Assuming the facts are as stated, then yes, go Ben, indeed!

She has no claim on potential future earnings, not even with a contract in place, as the contract allows him to stop.

But if she wins a smidgen of what she is demanding, then her singing God Bless America would be totally appropriate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 20, 2021, 02:23:39 PM
I really don't know why a team wouldn't make getting the vaccination mandatory.

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/07/marcus-hayes-only-50-of-the-phillies-got-the-covid-19-vaccination.html (https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/07/marcus-hayes-only-50-of-the-phillies-got-the-covid-19-vaccination.html)

Your "personal choice" effects everyone on the team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 20, 2021, 02:39:41 PM
I'm pretty sure that mandated vaccines would be an issue for collective bargaining. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 20, 2021, 02:46:22 PM
I'm pretty sure that mandated vaccines would be an issue for collective bargaining.

Okay, I'm not sure why it is not a requirement in the NFL, then.

But... while it would be a matter for collective bargaining for MLB, I think they're nuts.

And if MLB went the way of one other league, with forfeits from lack of players due to COVID-19, that might fix the problem
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 20, 2021, 03:05:40 PM
I'm pretty sure that mandated vaccines would be an issue for collective bargaining.

Okay, I'm not sure why it is not a requirement in the NFL, then.

But... while it would be a matter for collective bargaining for MLB, I think they're nuts.

And if MLB went the way of one other league, with forfeits from lack of players due to COVID-19, that might fix the problem
I think the NFL and its union did reach an agreement.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 20, 2021, 03:34:04 PM
She has no claim on potential future earnings, not even with a contract in place, as the contract allows him to stop.


OK, counselor.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 20, 2021, 04:35:06 PM
I'm pretty sure that mandated vaccines would be an issue for collective bargaining.

Maybe so. Like the whole drug-testing debacle.

I do think that forfeits when you can't field a team due to Covid-19 should be in order, then, unless you can show that your team has been at least 85% vaccinated, in which case a game should be rescheduled.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 20, 2021, 04:41:48 PM
She has no claim on potential future earnings, not even with a contract in place, as the contract allows him to stop.


OK, counselor.

https://www.lawyers.com/ask-a-lawyer/family-law/am-i-entitled-for-my-ex-wifes-future-earnings-1617557.html

OK, asshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 20, 2021, 08:17:42 PM
Gardner should have had that, but he pulled up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 21, 2021, 10:12:05 AM
Five afternoon games on a Wednesday!

That strikes me as unusual, but perhaps I have not been paying as close attention as I think?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 21, 2021, 02:41:13 PM
As I watch the O's at TB, I am reminded of the TB manager's writing career:
https://www.amazon.com/hell-William-Loeb-Kevin-Cash/dp/B0006CJUY4
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 21, 2021, 03:04:37 PM
As I watch the O's at TB, I am reminded of the TB manager's writing career:
https://www.amazon.com/hell-William-Loeb-Kevin-Cash/dp/B0006CJUY4

And an exciting come from behind walk off win for the Rays.

Curse it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 21, 2021, 11:07:47 PM
Two errors on one play by Miller. Archy Bradley deserved better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2021, 06:53:27 AM
The #Phillies have walked 11 times tonight. Most in a nine-inning game since Aug. 11, 2019. But they are 1-for-12 with RISP and have left 11 runners on base, so there's that.


Todd Zolecki.

That's the game story. But it will read in NYC as a great win for the Yanks.

Baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 22, 2021, 05:46:34 PM
DeSclafani vs Buhler tonight

10-win, sub 3 ERA pitchers

1st vs 2nd place
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 22, 2021, 08:48:25 PM
Holy crap - that field got soaked.  C'mon, Fenway crew!

Sox may get lucky, have a postponement
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 22, 2021, 10:51:23 PM
trying to score from 2nd on a slow roller to 2nd.

Aggressive.

Unwise.

But at least the score is tied (for now)!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
damn good thing walks never come back to haunt you.

JFC
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 22, 2021, 11:58:12 PM
Knoblaugh pitching relief in for the 10th

what a gift
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 23, 2021, 12:00:14 AM
good win.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 12:02:33 AM
Kriskie may not be the answer to WTF do we do with Chapman?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2021, 12:05:47 AM
Kriskie may not be the answer to WTF do we do with Chapman?

Wow.

Yeah, that was quite the demonstration. And I liked the Knobloch reference!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2021, 12:07:10 AM
good win.

"Good" win.

I'll take it, but while getting to the 10th was good and I want to think we'd have scored the 2nd run in the 9th even without the miscommunication on the pop fly, it really took a collapse by the Yankees for that game to go as it did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 12:17:26 AM

According to the stat guys

The Yankees' Brooks Kriske is the first pitcher in MLB history to throw 4 wild pitches in a single extra inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2021, 12:26:06 AM

According to the stat guys

The Yankees' Brooks Kriske is the first pitcher in MLB history to throw 4 wild pitches in a single extra inning.

A game for the ages.

Oy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 12:53:50 AM

According to the stat guys

The Yankees' Brooks Kriske is the first pitcher in MLB history to throw 4 wild pitches in a single extra inning.

A game for the ages.

Oy.

It was a weird game. Ys scored their first run on two walks, a passed ball and what should have been a double play grounder 6-4-3.

then the next two runs on 2 more lead-off walks, with a single an sac fly.

the 4th run with the help of the ghost runner in the 10th.

4 runs on 1 hit

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 23, 2021, 08:46:36 AM
Kriskie may not be the answer to WTF do we do with Chapman?


uhhh..... right.

Yanks getting Kimbrel makes sense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2021, 08:56:09 AM
This is 2016 again for the Yankees. I think everybody but Cole should be available.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 23, 2021, 09:08:51 AM
So you win 2 series post break then toss in the towel after 1 loss to the Sox?

Yanks lost 7 of 8 but have since turned it around
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 23, 2021, 09:12:29 AM
I throw in the towel because they’re not a good team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 23, 2021, 09:21:57 AM
I expect an OF to be added (to Yanks) soon - along with a reliever.  Starter?  Anyone's guess.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2021, 09:37:28 AM
I expect an OF to be added (to Yanks) soon - along with a reliever.  Starter?  Anyone's guess.

That would be "another OF," since they already added the immortal Tim Locastro to their line up. Sure, he's only managed to get into 9 games prior to the injury, but he was hitting a robust .190!

(Not that Danny Santana, Frenchy Cordero, Marwin Gonzalez, or Bobby Dalbach are going to send shivers of fear down the backs of many opposing pitchers... We'll see whether Mr. Duran's tenure is more productive than that. There does seem to be a paucity of competent hitters who also play outfield, at the moment.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 10:10:49 AM
The Cleveland Guardians.

eh

sounds like a brand of rubbers.

when you need the protection in a tight spot-Guardians!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2021, 11:27:33 AM
The Cleveland Guardians.

eh

sounds like a brand of rubbers.

when you need the protection in a tight spot-Guardians!
Technically, named in honor of the locally iconic Gaurdians of Traffic statutes that mark the entrances to the Hope Memorial Bridge. They could have done worse.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 12:16:15 PM
The Cleveland Guardians.

eh

sounds like a brand of rubbers.

when you need the protection in a tight spot-Guardians!
Technically, named in honor of the locally iconic Gaurdians of Traffic statutes that mark the entrances to the Hope Memorial Bridge. They could have done worse.

Its not bad. i was hoping for Spiders/Spyders.

The ball logo reminds me of the promo for Major League, while the new name, according to boz, honors a stop sign, seems to demand tie ins with Guardian of the Galaxy franchise.

Ooga chacka ooga ooga


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZKZ_lQ5FWQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZKZ_lQ5FWQ)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2021, 12:27:48 PM
I was pushing for the Cleveland Fire, in honor of the river.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2021, 12:32:45 PM
Actually, I think they went with Gaurdians because it was cheaper, since they are keeping the font. Just paint over or unstitch the "In", add "Guar". No reason to go to the expense of new uniforms and logos!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on July 23, 2021, 12:37:44 PM
Didn't know they had guards in baseball
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 12:41:11 PM
Actually, I think they went with Gaurdians because it was cheaper, since they are keeping the font. Just paint over or unstitch the "In", add "Guar". No reason to go to the expense of new uniforms and logos!

It works, and as you note a couple of snips and a patch, you're good to (wait for it)


GROOT GROOT GROOT for the home team

ooga chaka!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2021, 12:46:45 PM
I am totally stealing that one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 01:59:15 PM
I am totally stealing that one.

Its that's not a T-shirt by 5pm I'd be shocked.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 23, 2021, 05:43:31 PM
The Cleveland Guardians.

eh

sounds like a brand of rubbers.

when you need the protection in a tight spot-Guardians!

Sounds like an insurance company.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2021, 06:11:27 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/07/19/upshot/major-league-baseball-spin-rate-shift.html

The Pitchers Whose Spin Rate Has Fallen The Most Since The Crackdown.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 10:13:30 PM
Guardians?

seems the Rays slipped past the proud Centurions of the Cuyahoga.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 23, 2021, 10:46:19 PM
Real nice emergency relief work by Valdez to hold the line, and Devers with a pair of bombs.

that was a good win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2021, 11:04:13 PM
Real nice emergency relief work by Valdez to hold the line, and Devers with a pair of bombs.

that was a good win


Sure was!

The homer off Cole was particularly satisfying.

Hope ERod's okay!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
Evo was in total command and it seemed all but over. Strange game. May get stranger.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 24, 2021, 07:02:47 PM
Evo was in total command and it seemed all but over. Strange game. May get stranger.

I can hope.

And Franchy Cordero? Must we?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 24, 2021, 07:10:50 PM
Not nearly strange enough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2021, 07:17:54 PM
Close to strange enough.

Seemed like that was a W all day.

bad loss

Evo deserved better.

I'm 50/50 on whether pulling him for Otto to face Stanton was the right move.

I'm not sure anyone but Mookie could have caught those cheap ass bloops.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 25, 2021, 04:17:34 PM
Wow

today was like a mirror image of yesterday.

Gerrman was brilliant and deserved better.

But that 8th inning comeback was awesome

no-no gone

shutout gone

lead gone

lead taken

game over

3 out of 4 is right.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 25, 2021, 05:23:27 PM
Wow

today was like a mirror image of yesterday.

Gerrman was brilliant and deserved better.

But that 8th inning comeback was awesome

no-no gone

shutout gone

lead gone

lead taken

game over

3 out of 4 is right.

"Turnabout is fair play" is what I said during the 8th.

It makes quite a pair of games! Toronto and TB also lost today, putting everything back to where it was on Thursday...

Except Baltimore has now crept back to within 26 games...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 25, 2021, 07:18:25 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-gio-urshela-covid-return-20210725-ufmgqdos

Quote
BOSTON -- Domingo German was simply dominating the Boston Red Sox. Never more so than in the seventh inning, when the Yankees right-hander struck out stars J.D. Martinez, Rafael Devers, Xander Bogaerts and rookie Jarren Duran.

Always an odd phrase, that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 25, 2021, 11:06:45 PM
Sounds like a tangled web for lawyers to get unstuck.

Seems someone in the sport biz is already using Guardians in Cleveland.

Women's Roller Ball.

Somewhere on a banked track Joan Weston is laughing and elbowing someone in the mouth..


http://www.clevelandguardians.com/ (http://www.clevelandguardians.com/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 25, 2021, 11:53:00 PM
Sounds like a tangled web for lawyers to get unstuck.

Seems someone in the sport biz is already using Guardians in Cleveland.

Women's Roller Ball.

Somewhere on a banked track Joan Weston is laughing and elbowing someone in the mouth..


http://www.clevelandguardians.com/ (http://www.clevelandguardians.com/)

Oops...

If I were the Roller Derby club, I would work out a deal similar to what happened when Ted Turner wanted WTBS and a small college radio station already owned it.

The radio station got a complete upgrade to modernized equipment, a bunch of money, and a new set of call letters. Ted got WTBS.

I would bet that the Cleveland Guardians can do at least as well, given how much money the Indians have already sunk into this change.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 26, 2021, 12:46:40 AM
So you leave a guy in at 90 pitches with a no hitter, but remove him at 93 with a 1-hitter and a 4 run lead

Okey doke.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2021, 12:11:03 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-gio-urshela-covid-return-20210725-ufmgqdos

Quote
BOSTON -- Domingo German was simply dominating the Boston Red Sox. Never more so than in the seventh inning, when the Yankees right-hander struck out stars J.D. Martinez, Rafael Devers, Xander Bogaerts and rookie Jarren Duran.

Always an odd phrase, that.

So, he struck out 4 batters in one inning? I guess those extra outs really help out the Sox. over the course of a game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2021, 12:12:10 PM
Cleveland Guardians....

Sounds like a security outfit that patrols your local mall.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 26, 2021, 12:42:47 PM
Cleveland Guardians....

Sounds like a security outfit that patrols your local mall.
From a man whose favorite team is female horsies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2021, 12:48:27 PM
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-gio-urshela-covid-return-20210725-ufmgqdos

Quote
BOSTON -- Domingo German was simply dominating the Boston Red Sox. Never more so than in the seventh inning, when the Yankees right-hander struck out stars J.D. Martinez, Rafael Devers, Xander Bogaerts and rookie Jarren Duran.

Always an odd phrase, that.

So, he struck out 4 batters in one inning? I guess those extra outs really help out the Sox. over the course of a game.

Sure - instead of throwing his 91st through 93rd pitches to Verdugo, he'd have been at least three pitches fresher - might have gotten Verdugo out.

Probably not, but who knows?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 26, 2021, 01:33:17 PM
My favorite part of the games this weekend was the ongoing discussions between the various broadcasters (with attempted straight faces and not a chuckle in their voices) about what the Yankees had to do to "get back into the race."  Why is it that announcers are so fearful of calling the Yankees a terrible team with vastly overrated talent. 

Yesterday's game wasn't lost in the 8th inning.  It was lost by runners getting picked off and the continued inability of Stanton to drive in runners from third with less than two out. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2021, 02:08:38 PM
Cleveland Guardians....

Sounds like a security outfit that patrols your local mall.
From a man whose favorite team is female horsies.

Why do you hate so much?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2021, 02:17:23 PM
Back when elba was formed there were so many Yankees and Mets fans here. And a few more Sox fans, too. There was only ever one Phillies fan, and there is still the CFB fan who drops by with useless commentary regarding the Cleveland team.

Now, there are no Mets fans, only Yankguy is left from the Bronx cheering section, but two years ago, he became a Nats fan, also...

As far as loyal fans I don't think anyone beats banks or myself. We are here thru thick or thin.

But he is an AL fan, where they stopped playing baseball in the early 70's.

So, I'm the only real baseball fan left here.

And what will take me out of the ballgame is this suck-ass commissioner and the worst umpiring crews ever assembled.

They are horrible.

https://youtu.be/57hHkSChNNU (https://youtu.be/57hHkSChNNU)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 26, 2021, 02:38:56 PM
What are the odds of the only real baseball fan knowing nothing about the sport he professes to be the only real fan of?  They must be astronomical.

Hey shithead, let's see if you can pull off one post without a lie (I despise the Nationals).  I'm rooting for you!! I know you can do it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 26, 2021, 02:46:06 PM
I happen to really be a huge fan of Women's Beach volleyball, but as its under-televised, and not part of my cable offerings, baseball became my fall-back sport.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
Cleveland Guardians....

Sounds like a security outfit that patrols your local mall.
From a man whose favorite team is female horsies.

Why do you hate so much?

No hate involved.

Facts are facts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2021, 02:52:15 PM
As far as loyal fans I don't think anyone beats banks or myself. We are here thru thick or thin.

Except when you take off for months at a time and come back as somebody else, denying your prior identity for a few more months.

And... nobody wants to beat you, Piggy. You may continue doing that for yourself.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2021, 02:53:19 PM
I happen to really be a huge fan of Women's Beach volleyball, but as its under-televised, and not part of my cable offerings, baseball became my fall-back sport.

I think they do far more fall-back in beach volleyball than baseball, but you would probably know better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 26, 2021, 03:07:48 PM
I happen to really be a huge fan of Women's Beach volleyball, but as its under-televised, and not part of my cable offerings, baseball became my fall-back sport.

I think they do far more fall-back in beach volleyball than baseball, but you would probably know better.

There's some fall-back, but a lot of taking a dive.

Fantasy baseball got nothing on Fantasy Women's Beach volleyball. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 26, 2021, 03:11:34 PM
Cleveland Guardians....

Sounds like a security outfit that patrols your local mall.
From a man whose favorite team is female horsies.

Why do you hate so much?
I don't hate. I just find your bile sputtering occasionally amusing to respond to.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 26, 2021, 08:25:59 PM
Yesterday's game wasn't lost in the 8th inning.  It was lost by runners getting picked off and the continued inability of Stanton to drive in runners from third with less than two out.


You, sir - are a fucking moron
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 26, 2021, 08:37:23 PM
Imagine getting called a “moron” by Kid. Among my greatest accomplishments.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 26, 2021, 08:41:05 PM
And not just a “moron”, but a “fucking moron.” I’m beaming. It’s like being called a genius by Einstein.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 26, 2021, 10:21:32 PM
Yesterday's game wasn't lost in the 8th inning.  It was lost by runners getting picked off and the continued inability of Stanton to drive in runners from third with less than two out.


You, sir - are a fucking moron

Apologies to the forum for crossing the line
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2021, 10:27:47 PM
As far as loyal fans I don't think anyone beats banks or myself. We are here thru thick or thin.

Except when you take off for months at a time and come back as somebody else, denying your prior identity for a few more months.

And... nobody wants to beat you, Piggy. You may continue doing that for yourself.

Youve been deluded. Unlike you, some of us have a life.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 26, 2021, 10:32:02 PM
What are the odds of the only real baseball fan knowing nothing about the sport he professes to be the only real fan of?  They must be astronomical.

Hey shithead, let's see if you can pull off one post without a lie (I despise the Nationals).  I'm rooting for you!! I know you can do it!

Trouble making the alimony payments, again?

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 26, 2021, 10:34:47 PM
You couldn’t do it, could you?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 26, 2021, 10:37:43 PM
Another by the book CFBW

Sox are making this look easy.

Which means there's a bad burn comin'
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2021, 11:11:02 PM
As far as loyal fans I don't think anyone beats banks or myself. We are here thru thick or thin.

Except when you take off for months at a time and come back as somebody else, denying your prior identity for a few more months.

And... nobody wants to beat you, Piggy. You may continue doing that for yourself.

Youve been deluded. Unlike you, some of us have a life.

Your usual high quality projection.

No connection to reality necessary for you to utter your bullshit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2021, 11:11:59 PM
Another by the book CFBW

Sox are making this look easy.

Which means there's a bad burn comin'

This 8th inning mojo is lovely, but I sure hate having to rely on it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 27, 2021, 10:57:22 AM
Cutch with the walkoff, last night.

Now, some Nats are for sale: After a demoralizing sweep at the hands of the Baltimore Orioles followed by another walk-off loss to the Philadelphia Phillies on Monday, the question is no longer whether the Washington Nationals will sell at the MLB trade deadline, it’s what will the sell-off look like?

The likes of Brad Hand, Daniel Hudson, and Josh Harrison figure to be most likely to be dealt with their expiring deals. Yan Gomes and Kyle Schwarber could both move on as well if a team takes a chance on their health. And yes, Max Scherzer could be traded too.

Trading any or all of those players seemingly wouldn’t change the team’s outlook beyond 2021. They are all out of contract at season’s end and could theoretically re-sign in D.C. this winter.

The same can’t be said were the Nationals to consider trading their star shortstop, Trea Turner.

On Monday, Chelsea Janes of The Washington Post reported that the “Nationals are getting a lot of interest in Trea Turner” and that “they haven’t ruled out dealing him, but would need to be presented with a total no-brainer of a deal.”

That’s a pretty significant development that they’re at least considering it rather than just focusing on trading away the players whose contracts are due to expire at the end of the year.

Since the start of 2020, Turner is second in the majors in fWAR behind only Fernando Tatís, Jr. and looks like a borderline MVP candidate at one of baseball’s most important positions.

Why would the Nationals consider trading away one of the best players in the league when he’s not out of contract at the end of the season like the names mentioned above?

Well, the end of his contractual control is looming at the end of next season, and because of his performance in recent seasons, he could be due for a monumental payday either in free agency or if he chooses to sign an extension before reaching that potential gold mine.

This past winter, fellow shortstop Francisco Lindor signed a 10-year, $341 million deal with the New York Mets, effectively setting the market rate for elite shortstops in the majors.


...The Athletic’s Peter Gammons seemed to imply early on Monday that it didn’t look like Turner would be another exception to the rule when he said he heard that “Washington ownership isn’t going to do anything long term with Trea Turner.”



https://www.federalbaseball.com/2021/7/27/22593515/washington-nationals-trea-turner-looking-like-sellers-seriously-consider-trading (https://www.federalbaseball.com/2021/7/27/22593515/washington-nationals-trea-turner-looking-like-sellers-seriously-consider-trading)

Oh, so if he ended up with an NLE team, the Nats "fans" could hate on him for leaving, instead of turning on ownership for letting him go, like they did with Harper.

Thoughts on this Yank, as the resident Nats fan?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 27, 2021, 12:48:15 PM
My thought is Turner is a phenomenal player and I can't imagine what a "total no-brainer of a deal" would look like. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 27, 2021, 02:30:21 PM
How rumors start?

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/mlb-rumors-did-bryce-harper-just-send-kris-bryant-trade-message (https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/mlb-rumors-did-bryce-harper-just-send-kris-bryant-trade-message)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 27, 2021, 02:49:27 PM
Rizzo as a Red Sox?

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-trade-deadline-cubs-red-162032413.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-trade-deadline-cubs-red-162032413.html)

Guardians name could be quite expensive. Spiders may still have a chance?

https://sports.yahoo.com/the-original-cleveland-guardians-this-roller-derby-team-could-cash-in-on-indians-name-change-030536652.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/the-original-cleveland-guardians-this-roller-derby-team-could-cash-in-on-indians-name-change-030536652.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 27, 2021, 02:51:25 PM
Another by the book CFBW

Sox are making this look easy.

Which means there's a bad burn comin'


They've come from behind to win a major league-leading 33 games this season.

I guess every late-inning reliever they face turns into Armando Benitez? Or Mitch Williams? Or Jose Mesa? Your choice?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 27, 2021, 04:10:42 PM
Tyler Anderson coming to Philly.

https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 27, 2021, 05:39:28 PM
You couldn’t do it, could you?

I've never had to pay alimony, so I can't say. Is it difficult writing that check each month?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 27, 2021, 06:00:55 PM
Brilliant!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 27, 2021, 06:39:38 PM
Tyler Anderson coming to Philly.

https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

Is this big news?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 27, 2021, 09:00:29 PM
And speaking of…Trea Turner tests positive
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 28, 2021, 01:45:10 AM
Tyler Anderson coming to Philly.

https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

Is this big news?

And is it bigger if that is not where Anderson is going?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 28, 2021, 03:46:30 PM
Tyler Anderson coming to Philly.

https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/Feinsand/status/1420108931838382092?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)

Is this big news?

And is it bigger if that is not where Anderson is going?

Something happened, but will we ever know for sure?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 28, 2021, 04:58:21 PM
Another by the book CFBW

Sox are making this look easy.

Which means there's a bad burn comin'

This 8th inning mojo is lovely, but I sure hate having to rely on it!

could have used it today, but they only played 7.

that 2nd inning squander set the tone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 28, 2021, 07:12:49 PM
Leader of the Party retires

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/jared-kushner-investment-firm/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 28, 2021, 08:43:34 PM
Leader of the Party retires

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/politics/jared-kushner-investment-firm/index.html

This is in the MLB forum because Jared will no longer be appearing on Hard Ball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 28, 2021, 08:48:50 PM
I suppose there’s a possibility he eventually will get some ABS for a prison baseball team.

Fingers crossed I’ll be called a “fucking moron” again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 28, 2021, 08:51:42 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/28/us/nationals-phillies-game-postponed-covid-spt/index.html

Another day, another game cancelled because of COVID testing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 28, 2021, 10:38:11 PM
Do you have an opinion on it?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 28, 2021, 11:27:34 PM
Do you have an opinion on it?

Sure.

Do you?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 29, 2021, 07:39:44 AM
Yanks add Joely Rodriguez.  Nice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 29, 2021, 12:26:52 PM
Yanks add Joely Rodriguez.  Nice.

A significant step down from Cessa and up from Wilson.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 29, 2021, 12:49:01 PM
Do you have an opinion on it?

Yes. If the contact tracing indicates that an unvaccinated member of the team is involved, the game should be forfeited.

MLB needs to grow a set.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 29, 2021, 05:27:16 PM
Scherzer to Pads?  Would be a nice shift.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 29, 2021, 07:00:18 PM
Welp, in case moving Civale and the Biebs to the 60 day IL did not make it clear, trading the starting 2b to the team we are supposedly chasing should. We are definitively in wait until next year mode.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 29, 2021, 07:39:48 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31914214/new-york-yankees-finalizing-deal-acquire-first-baseman-anthony-rizzo-chicago-cubs-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31914214/new-york-yankees-finalizing-deal-acquire-first-baseman-anthony-rizzo-chicago-cubs-sources-say)

So Yanks picking up Gallo and Rizzo.

Gallo & Rizzo. Sounds like a restaurant you'd find on Arthur Avenue in the Bronx.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 29, 2021, 08:15:37 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31914214/new-york-yankees-finalizing-deal-acquire-first-baseman-anthony-rizzo-chicago-cubs-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31914214/new-york-yankees-finalizing-deal-acquire-first-baseman-anthony-rizzo-chicago-cubs-sources-say)

So Yanks picking up Gallo and Rizzo.

Gallo & Rizzo. Sounds like a restaurant you'd find on Arthur Avenue in the Bronx.

That's a ton of power for a team that already prided itself on their power.

Will it be enough for them to overcome their deficit?

And the Dodgers and Padres are fighting to do similar sorts of things.

Will the Red Sox get anybody?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 29, 2021, 08:15:46 PM
And so the division turns

Nice job by Cashman, finally.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 29, 2021, 08:17:10 PM
Waiting for Piggy to talk about how badly Terry Francona is letting everybody down and how he's a quitter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 29, 2021, 08:30:32 PM
Wouldn't be the first time
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 30, 2021, 11:18:44 AM
So Francona is having his left hip replaced, and a rod inserted into his left foot. He had his right hip replaced five years ago, and has two artificial knees. Meaning he is one foot away from being half cyborg.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 30, 2021, 12:29:12 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10009102-report-max-scherzer-trea-turner-to-be-traded-to-dodgers-nationals-get-prospects

This reminds me of the sale of Joe Rudi, Rollie Fingers, and Vida Blue by Charlie Finley, which was of course undone by Bowie Kuhn.
https://baseballhall.org/discover-more/stories/going-deep/rollies-three-days-as-a-red-sox

(https://baseballhall.org/sites/default/files/Fingers%20Rollie%20BRS76-329_H%26S_NBLMcWilliams.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2021, 12:32:52 PM
I think there's a huge difference between the situations.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 30, 2021, 12:36:12 PM
Waiting for Piggy to talk about how badly Terry Francona is letting everybody down and how he's a quitter.

He's already got the rep.

Asshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 30, 2021, 12:39:36 PM
I think there's a huge difference between the situations.

Agree. It's a lot like the Marlins in the 1997.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 30, 2021, 12:58:09 PM
Waiting for Piggy to talk about how badly Terry Francona is letting everybody down and how he's a quitter.

He's already got the rep.

Asshole.
Not his fault your team fired the best manager they've had since Arthur Irwin. Get over it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 30, 2021, 01:46:31 PM
I didnt even realize Pablo Sandoval was still playing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 30, 2021, 04:08:39 PM
Mets get Baez?

Cool.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 30, 2021, 04:16:01 PM
Sox get Schwarber and H Robles.

Poppycock on the Schwarber shade being tossed on MLB Radio.  Good grab there
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2021, 06:27:23 PM
Yankees might finally be in a position to DFA Gardner but might be waiting for the return of Elsbury to do so.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 30, 2021, 07:06:45 PM
Mets get Baez?

Cool.
Well, I guess they need a shortstop...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 30, 2021, 07:46:52 PM
Yankees might finally be in a position to DFA Gardner but might be waiting for the return of Elsbury to do so.

I guffawed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 30, 2021, 07:51:49 PM
Mets get Baez?

Cool.
Well, I guess they need a shortstop...

Gave up the next Jared Kelenic to get him.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 30, 2021, 09:22:02 PM
Rizzo homers. Yankees up, 1-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2021, 09:01:10 AM
Worth discussing - I assume tie break rules are same for playoffs -

Billy McKinney flied out to left
Cody Bellinger flied out to left
AJ Pollock flied out to right
On initial placement, Smith to second.
Matt Peacock pitching


This was Dodgers tenth inning

They lost it in the bottom

But funny thing is Arizona didnt move the runner over eithger

Asdrúbal Cabrera doubled to left, Daulton Varsho scored
56
Josh VanMeter lined out to shortstop
On initial placement, Varsho to second.
Jimmy Nelson pitching


I guess that is what analytics says is most times correct.  Interesting.

I still bunt the guy over if I am AZ there.  Maybe it is hitter-dependent?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 31, 2021, 09:24:44 AM
Does anybody other than NL pitchers even practice bunting anymore?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 31, 2021, 09:28:57 AM
Does anybody other than NL pitchers even practice bunting anymore?

Yes - hitters who are notoriously low average batters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 31, 2021, 10:08:52 AM
I doubt that
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 31, 2021, 10:40:50 AM
I doubt that

I wonder how we could find out.

But certainly, the loss of bunting as a major art form is not news.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=365&dat=19950727&id=ff9LAAAAIBAJ&sjid=KT8DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5076,1164073
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2021, 02:51:52 PM
Usually the only bunting you see in baseball anymore is this:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Doh5czFUwAAI-Oz.jpg)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2021, 04:09:59 PM
I remember bunting drills in Little-League. IIRC we had to get down two fair bunts, one towards 1st, one towards 3rd, basically away from the pitcher.

But despite my manager's urging my bat never caught the ball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2021, 06:09:26 PM
Guardianship over Guardians?

Rollerball Guardians filed for trademark application a few days after the Baseball Guardians filed theirs. (Tribe also filed 4/8/21 in Mauritius, a tiny island in the Indian Ocean)

Indian Ocean?

There's a joke floating there somewhere.

https://twitter.com/JoshGerben/status/1421486146673123333/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/JoshGerben/status/1421486146673123333/photo/1)

The roller derby team is claiming common law rights going back multiple years. 

This should have been settled with say $24 in trinkets before the lawyers got dragged in.

It may get expensive for the roller-ballers to protect themselves from the Cleveland claim-jumpers.
   


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2021, 07:02:54 PM
San Francisco Bay Bombers next

Then of course the NY Chiefs
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2021, 08:43:56 PM
Snazzy new Marlins unis...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 31, 2021, 09:50:04 PM
As I think I said earlier, I do not understand DFA Workman and trading for Austin not-meadows.

Workman is a better pitcher.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2021, 10:48:51 PM
Pickin' MACHINE!!!

“Obviously there is a sense of urgency here with where the club is at. I'm going to do everything I possibly can to make sure that if I'm going in there at first base, there's not going to be a beat missed.”



https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-nearing-red-sox-debut?game_pk=633090
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 01, 2021, 08:26:29 PM
Arod explained, "you need to play errorless free baseball."

That has not been how the Red Sox have been playing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2021, 08:47:10 PM
I think I'd rather have the Sox play error-less baseball or error-free baseball, than errorless free baseball.

ARod's phrase sounds like a double negative.

I would also like to see the Sox stop playing offense-free baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 01, 2021, 08:57:25 PM
And I am hoping that Robles pitches better than our last new acquisition did last night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 01, 2021, 09:11:53 PM
What is Arod talking about, Cora "turning him loose" about Kiki.

The man has 1 stolen base in 1 attempt this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 02, 2021, 05:01:23 PM
And I am hoping that Robles pitches better than our last new acquisition did last night.

Doubt creeping in ...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2021, 05:03:47 PM
And I am hoping that Robles pitches better than our last new acquisition did last night.

Doubt creeping in ...

When did it ever leave?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 03, 2021, 04:12:07 PM
Along with Cole whose positive test was announced yesterday, Jordan Montgomery is now positive.  Not to put to too fine a point on it, I believe that the Yankees' claim that 85% of their team has been vaccinated is a lie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2021, 06:41:11 PM
Along with Cole whose positive test was announced yesterday, Jordan Montgomery is now positive.  Not to put to too fine a point on it, I believe that the Yankees' claim that 85% of their team has been vaccinated is a lie.

Given close quarters and what happened in Nantucket, I have no trouble believing that 85% of them are vaccinated, Yank.

I wonder how many more will test positive.

And the as yet undiscussed thing is that while almost nobody is dying from the breakthrough Delta variant, about 20% of those who do catch it seem to be having the Long Haul version.

p.s Lindsay Graham tested positive, too. He's not pitching for the rest of the season...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 03, 2021, 06:56:23 PM
The Yankees history of covering up and lying about injuries (Don Gullet will be back next week!!), albeit for other reasons, makes me very cynical about anything they say.

Until these widespread outbreaks occur in teams other than the Yankees and Nationals claiming 85%, I'll consider their claims very suspicious.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2021, 07:11:13 PM
The Yankees history of covering up and lying about injuries (Don Gullet will be back next week!!), albeit for other reasons, makes me very cynical about anything they say.

Until these widespread outbreaks occur in teams other than the Yankees and Nationals claiming 85%, I'll consider their claims very suspicious.

Fair enough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2021, 10:37:50 PM
I am sure there is a reason we are playing with the goal of losing, but I do not know what that reason would be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 03, 2021, 11:20:08 PM
Along with Cole whose positive test was announced yesterday, Jordan Montgomery is now positive.  Not to put to too fine a point on it, I believe that the Yankees' claim that 85% of their team has been vaccinated is a lie.

Given close quarters and what happened in Nantucket, I have no trouble believing that 85% of them are vaccinated, Yank.

I wonder how many more will test positive.

And the as yet undiscussed thing is that while almost nobody is dying from the breakthrough Delta variant, about 20% of those who do catch it seem to be having the Long Haul version.

p.s Lindsay Graham tested positive, too. He's not pitching for the rest of the season...

OVERTESTING

Vaccinated + no symptoms = no need to test

Cole likely has so little in his nostril, simple trace - that it becomes ridiculous to sit him down
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2021, 12:04:37 AM
Along with Cole whose positive test was announced yesterday, Jordan Montgomery is now positive.  Not to put to too fine a point on it, I believe that the Yankees' claim that 85% of their team has been vaccinated is a lie.

Given close quarters and what happened in Nantucket, I have no trouble believing that 85% of them are vaccinated, Yank.

I wonder how many more will test positive.

And the as yet undiscussed thing is that while almost nobody is dying from the breakthrough Delta variant, about 20% of those who do catch it seem to be having the Long Haul version.

p.s Lindsay Graham tested positive, too. He's not pitching for the rest of the season...

OVERTESTING

Vaccinated + no symptoms = no need to test

Cole likely has so little in his nostril, simple trace - that it becomes ridiculous to sit him down

Where do you get this stuff, Kid?

Quote
Earlier this week, the CDC director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, also said that new data had revealed that people who are vaccinated and test positive for the virus can carry the same viral load as people who are unvaccinated and test positive for the virus. This research found that cycle threshold (Ct) values in samples from 127 fully vaccinated people and 84 unvaccinated people were similar.

In MARCH, they believed the vaccines would reduce the viral load. They have since then discovered that this is not the case.

Same thing for you as for Ward. Stop spreading bullshit about the vaccine. Next time is 5 days.

Do your research and provide your sources.

While this paper is in pre-print, its finding on viral load align with other findings in the last 30 days.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210803/Unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-have-similar-viral-load-in-communities-high-in-SARS-CoV-2-delta.aspx
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 04, 2021, 09:38:15 AM
"This is a pandemic of CASES, not a pandemic of illnesses"

- Overheard yesterday on one show or another.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 04, 2021, 10:11:25 AM
Along with Cole whose positive test was announced yesterday, Jordan Montgomery is now positive.  Not to put to too fine a point on it, I believe that the Yankees' claim that 85% of their team has been vaccinated is a lie.

Given close quarters and what happened in Nantucket, I have no trouble believing that 85% of them are vaccinated, Yank.

I wonder how many more will test positive.

And the as yet undiscussed thing is that while almost nobody is dying from the breakthrough Delta variant, about 20% of those who do catch it seem to be having the Long Haul version.

p.s Lindsay Graham tested positive, too. He's not pitching for the rest of the season...

OVERTESTING

Vaccinated + no symptoms = no need to test

Cole likely has so little in his nostril, simple trace - that it becomes ridiculous to sit him down

You should take a science class. Even a 5th grade class would do you some good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 04, 2021, 10:13:25 AM
The Yankees history of covering up and lying about injuries (Don Gullet will be back next week!!), albeit for other reasons, makes me very cynical about anything they say.

Until these widespread outbreaks occur in teams other than the Yankees and Nationals claiming 85%, I'll consider their claims very suspicious.

I still think that the way to solve this problem is by forfeiting games, if it is shown that any one person who is linked to it was not vaxxed. Then the clubhouse will respond and be sure that these dopes all get jabbed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 04, 2021, 01:35:22 PM
"This is a pandemic of CASES, not a pandemic of illnesses"

- Overheard yesterday on one show or another.
No, it is a pandemic of fucking idiots.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2021, 01:44:45 PM
<i>I still think that the way to solve this problem is by forfeiting games, if it is shown that any one person who is linked to it was not vaxxed. Then the clubhouse will respond and be sure that these dopes all get jabbed.</i>

I like the idea.  I doubt the union will.  And I believe such a policy would probably have to be negotiated.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 04, 2021, 02:00:47 PM
<i>I still think that the way to solve this problem is by forfeiting games, if it is shown that any one person who is linked to it was not vaxxed. Then the clubhouse will respond and be sure that these dopes all get jabbed.</i>

I like the idea.  I doubt the union will.  And I believe such a policy would probably have to be negotiated.

I believe the NFL is putting this in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 04, 2021, 02:14:38 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/2020-tokyo-olympics-team-usa-baseball-defeats-dominican-republic-moves-a-win-away-from-gold-medal-game/amp/ (https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/2020-tokyo-olympics-team-usa-baseball-defeats-dominican-republic-moves-a-win-away-from-gold-medal-game/amp/)

Team USA defeated the Dominican Republic by a 3-1 score as part of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics baseball tournament on Tuesday night. As a result, the Americans will now advance to play South Korea on Thursday with a spot in the gold medal game vs. Japan on the line.

Team USA jumped ahead early, staking out a 2-0 lead in the bottom of the first inning thanks to a two-run home run by Boston Red Sox first base prospect Triston Casas. Neither team scored again until the bottom of the fifth, when the Americans' advantage swelled to 3-0 thanks to a solo home run by Tyler Austin. (Austin had also scored as part of Casas' homer.)

On the pitching side of things, Team USA was paced by veteran southpaw Scott Kazmir. He delivered five shutout innings for the Americans, holding the Dominican Republican to just two hits and a walk. Kazmir struck out five of the 18 batters he faced and threw 80 pitches overall. The Americans then received four shutout innings from a combination of four relievers: Brandon Dickson, Scott McGough, Anthony Gose and David Robertson.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 04, 2021, 02:28:46 PM
Scott Kazmir is, like, 58 isn't he? I take it Jamie Moyer is going to pitch in the semifinal, and Mel Harder in the Gold Medal game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2021, 02:29:33 PM
<i>I still think that the way to solve this problem is by forfeiting games, if it is shown that any one person who is linked to it was not vaxxed. Then the clubhouse will respond and be sure that these dopes all get jabbed.</i>

I like the idea.  I doubt the union will.  And I believe such a policy would probably have to be negotiated.

I believe the NFL is putting this in.
I think they discussed it with the union.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2021, 03:52:06 PM
<i>I still think that the way to solve this problem is by forfeiting games, if it is shown that any one person who is linked to it was not vaxxed. Then the clubhouse will respond and be sure that these dopes all get jabbed.</i>

I like the idea.  I doubt the union will.  And I believe such a policy would probably have to be negotiated.

I believe the NFL is putting this in.

The Commissioner of the NFL has all power, as the line from ET goes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 05, 2021, 11:15:00 AM
Speaking of ethics: First implemented in 1965, the draft has been alive for longer than most of you reading this piece. Thanks in part to the spectacle that the NBA and (particularly) NFL events have become, a sports draft now feels like an American institution. As currently marketed, the draft is not just a day on the calendar but an event, a beacon of hope for the future. Feeling down on your luck, Pirates fans? At the draft, you too can catch a Trout!

Distilled to its core though, the draft is an immoral exercise where big league clubs distribute laborers with minimal consent, designed and structured in a manner to limit expenses. There’s no line of work outside of sports that allocates employees to specific businesses like this: The players who get drafted each year never agreed to this system and never would if they had a choice. The unfairness of it all becomes crystal clear under any kind of scrutiny. It would be ridiculous if Bob’s Plumbing in New York held the exclusive rights to my labor simply because they drafted me out of school and it’s no less absurd that the Mets have that kind of power over Rocker.

Rocker’s case is an instructive reminder that the draft has always been a money grab with an indiscriminate sprinkling of collateral damage. MLB originally implemented the exercise because owners were tired of paying large bonuses for amateur players (the $200,000 bonus given to Rick Reichardt was the final straw) and looking for ways to cut scouting and acquisition expenses. Finding ways to pay less for amateur talent has been a frequent hobbyhorse throughout baseball history, and the draft has given several generations of owners opportunities to rope off the free market.



https://blogs.fangraphs.com/corollary-damage-kumar-rocker-the-mlb-draft-and-a-better-way-forward/ (https://blogs.fangraphs.com/corollary-damage-kumar-rocker-the-mlb-draft-and-a-better-way-forward/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 05, 2021, 11:20:52 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/field-of-dreams-game-uniforms (https://www.mlb.com/news/field-of-dreams-game-uniforms)



Inspired by the movie, the Yankees and White Sox will wear special uniforms for the MLB at Field of Dreams Game presented by Geico next Thursday -- and that's just one highlight of the unique twists of the game in Dyersville, Iowa.

New York and Chicago will each have custom uniforms inspired by teams that played in the early 20th century, as they play the first Major League game in Iowa.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 05, 2021, 12:52:21 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/2020-tokyo-olympics-team-usa-baseball-defeats-dominican-republic-moves-a-win-away-from-gold-medal-game/amp/ (https://www.cbssports.com/olympics/news/2020-tokyo-olympics-team-usa-baseball-defeats-dominican-republic-moves-a-win-away-from-gold-medal-game/amp/)

Team USA defeated the Dominican Republic by a 3-1 score as part of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics baseball tournament on Tuesday night. As a result, the Americans will now advance to play South Korea on Thursday with a spot in the gold medal game vs. Japan on the line.

Team USA jumped ahead early, staking out a 2-0 lead in the bottom of the first inning thanks to a two-run home run by Boston Red Sox first base prospect Triston Casas. Neither team scored again until the bottom of the fifth, when the Americans' advantage swelled to 3-0 thanks to a solo home run by Tyler Austin. (Austin had also scored as part of Casas' homer.)

On the pitching side of things, Team USA was paced by veteran southpaw Scott Kazmir. He delivered five shutout innings for the Americans, holding the Dominican Republican to just two hits and a walk. Kazmir struck out five of the 18 batters he faced and threw 80 pitches overall. The Americans then received four shutout innings from a combination of four relievers: Brandon Dickson, Scott McGough, Anthony Gose and David Robertson.


Thanks for the update

Cosas also hit a bomb off the dominant to that point S Korea pitcher, turning that early round game in US favor

NICK MARTINEZ, US starting pitcher, is a great story.  Second baseman primarily at Fordham where he tossed just 26 innings overall.  Has crafted a nice pro career out of his 90+ arm.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 05, 2021, 07:53:02 PM
CFBW for 5 in a row. Mets lose again as Baez wracks up 5 SOs.

1/2 game back with the weekend series against the Mets.

Braves play tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 05, 2021, 08:24:14 PM
Yep.  Pretty good series on tap

Mets have been in first nearing 3 months
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 06, 2021, 11:00:56 AM
RIP, J.R. Richard:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/06/us/houston-astros-j-r-richard-dies/index.html (https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/08/06/us/houston-astros-j-r-richard-dies/index.html)

Celebrating the "family atmosphere" at Dodger Stadium: https://amp.tmz.com/2021/08/05/dodgers-fans-jose-altuve-chant-after-beating-astros/ (https://amp.tmz.com/2021/08/05/dodgers-fans-jose-altuve-chant-after-beating-astros/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 06, 2021, 07:19:48 PM
Holy smokes!  Turned off White Sox at Cubs entering bottom 7, Lance Lynn with the tidy 3 hit shutout going - Sox up 2-0.

Final was 8-6 White Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 06, 2021, 07:21:29 PM
Holy Smokes 2 -

Marcus Stroman has a 2.80 ERA and a 1.13 whip

But is 7-10?

Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2021, 08:22:15 PM
Holy smokes!  Turned off White Sox at Cubs entering bottom 7, Lance Lynn with the tidy 3 hit shutout going - Sox up 2-0.

Final was 8-6 White Sox

Same margin of difference.

No big deal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2021, 09:05:53 PM
In the words of the late Ned Martin, "Mercy!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 06, 2021, 09:44:10 PM
Turns out it was our old friend Kimbrel responsible for taking Lynn's win

Meanwhile Latino idiocy rules the night for Sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2021, 10:16:43 PM
Meanwhile Latino idiocy rules the night for Sox

What on Earth does that phrase mean, Kid?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 06, 2021, 10:30:40 PM
Harper on fire.

Phirst place.

Keep it.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 06, 2021, 11:02:11 PM
Sox could have used an injection of something

they've been listless for awhile now

lots of time left but they better schnapp out of it

PDQ
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2021, 11:59:42 PM
Sox could have used an injection of something

they've been listless for awhile now

lots of time left but they better schnapp out of it

PDQ

I don't know if Schwarber and Sale will be enough. Fortunately, we have now acquired  Delino DeShields, Jr., so their problems should be solved.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2021, 06:07:14 PM
No Sox snap in Game 1

and no crackle or pop

no runs either.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2021, 06:11:20 PM
No Sox snap in Game 1

and no crackle or pop

no runs either.

(a) It was well pitched by both teams.
(b) I wish Barnes would stop doing that.
(c) I hate 7 inning games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2021, 08:18:53 PM
It's a good thing that Franchy Cordero is on the Red Sox.

Otherwise, Marwin Gonzalez would look like the worst player we have seeing regular duty.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2021, 09:29:42 PM
Have I mentioned how much I dislike Marwin Gonzalez and Franchy Cordero?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2021, 09:34:53 PM
Have I mentioned how much I dislike Marwin Gonzalez and Franchy Cordero?!

And apparently, they are contagious.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2021, 10:09:17 PM
*phew*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 08, 2021, 10:41:24 AM
1-0 and 2-1?

Old tyme baseball.  My belief in the Sox returns.


Meanwhile, congratulations to the USA and Japan Baseball teams.  I wont tell you which medal each won in case some of you havent seen the game yet.  Excellent ball played by both nations - and well done as well by the DR for bronze.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2021, 03:01:31 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2021/08/08/anthony-rizzo-covid-19-yankees/5530581001/

Rizzo refused the vaccine with the Cubs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 08, 2021, 04:05:13 PM
Instead of dividing people refusing vaccines into Republican/Democratic camps, can’t we just use moron/non-moron?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 08, 2021, 04:12:58 PM
(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/productimages/1c19884c-0464-4cde-bbb7-5ef7af5a703c/15572253.jpg?size=mpdhi)

Wheeler channelled Halladay on Roy's day.

Phirst.

Keep it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2021, 04:13:09 PM
Instead of dividing people refusing vaccines into Republican/Democratic camps, can’t we just use moron/non-moron?

As Rizzo explained, when discussing having refused the vaccine thus far, "This is bigger than baseball. ... This is about life."

He has "light symptoms."

I hope they stay that way and he recovers fully.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2021, 05:25:21 PM
Well, that was no fun.

But in the last inning, as Lenny D was talking, he made mention of "right off the bat."

Had to know. Saw a reference to the 1880s and the suggestion that it was almost certainly from baseball, with cricket a small chance.

But I found this story from 1869 with the expression:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Letters_of_Peregrin_Pickle/iac7AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22right%20off%20the%20bat%22

I suspect it might be older still.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 08, 2021, 05:37:38 PM
that was a bad loss.

the BP was stretched too thin and it snapped.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 09, 2021, 02:36:17 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2021/08/08/anthony-rizzo-covid-19-yankees/5530581001/

Rizzo refused the vaccine with the Cubs.

Likely BS from this pay site
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2021, 02:48:22 PM
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 09, 2021, 05:15:58 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2021/08/08/anthony-rizzo-covid-19-yankees/5530581001/

Rizzo refused the vaccine with the Cubs.

Likely BS from this pay site

Paysite?! What drugs are you on?

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/yankees-first-baseman-anthony-rizzo-151334527.html

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/sports/nbcsports/cubs-anthony-rizzo-face-of-team-now-face-vaccine-shortfall/2530922/

How many more links would you like, asshole?

Quote
“I love my teammates. I love this franchise, and I do everything I can to win here. But with this stuff, this is bigger than baseball," he said in June. "This is a life decision. This isn’t a career decision right now.”

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2021, 08:18:26 PM
Well...

It took many many decades....

Tonight I start following/pulling for the NY/AL club.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2021, 08:36:42 PM
Know a little about this guy

https://diamondnation.com/former-djack-volpe-tearing-it-up-at-high-a-hudson-valley/

What a start to '21!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 10, 2021, 12:21:23 AM
Fun first day

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2

5-5 after 10
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2021, 07:12:33 AM
Fun first day

0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 2

5-5 after 10

Pretty sure that you've just posted a box score to some game that was tied 5-5 after 11 innings, Kid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2021, 01:02:58 PM
Well...

It took many many decades....

Tonight I start following/pulling for the NY/AL club.

Gave up on the Mets, again? And the Sox?

Gee, kid. You make a terrible fan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2021, 01:15:55 PM
Rough week for a Sox/Mets fan.

kid is Elba's Suzyn Waldman, except not as hot.

or smart

or loyal

Fandom, true fandom, is like the Hotel California, you can check out anytime you like, but can never leave.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2021, 05:01:38 PM
Rough week for a Sox/Mets fan.

kid is Elba's Suzyn Waldman, except not as hot.

or smart

or loyal

Fandom, true fandom, is like the Hotel California, you can check out anytime you like, but can never leave.


Ahhh...but can Kid sing like Suzyn?

And you're right, you can never leave, but they can leave you, which is why I am no longer a Colts fan, like I was back in the day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2021, 05:04:05 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-rumors-red-sox-discussing-190039239.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-rumors-red-sox-discussing-190039239.html)

The Red Sox are discussing "many possibilities" involving some "major roster shuffling" in the near future, MassLive.com's Chris Cotillo reports.

What might that shuffling entail? Cotillo reports that starter Garrett Richards is expected to be demoted to the bullpen, with Tanner Houck returning from Triple-A to start Thursday and Chris Sale making his 2021 debut Saturday. The struggling Richards would join Martin Perez, who lost his spot in the rotation last week.

Tomase: Scuffling Sox can't absorb too many more body shots
On the offensive side, first baseman Bobby Dalbec is a prime candidate to be sent to Triple-A Worcester once Kyle Schwarber returns from injury.

The Red Sox' trade deadline acquisition reportedly suffered a setback in his rehab from a hamstring strain that has sidelined him since July 2, but Cotillo reports Schwarber and utility man Christian Arroyo are "progressing toward rehab assignments" that could have them replacing Dalbec in the near future.

Cotillo also floated the possibility of Boston promoting utility man Yairo Muñoz -- who is riding a Red Sox Triple-A record 30-game hitting streak in Worcester -- while cutting bait with scuffling veteran Marwin Gonzalez.

Additionally, our John Tomase offered his suggestion to give more of Christian Vazquez's at-bats to Kevin Plawecki as the Red Sox' starting catcher endures a power drought.



Rearranging chairs on the Titanic?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2021, 05:08:58 PM
 https://sports.yahoo.com/despite-dinger-explanation-marlins-outfielder-010127966.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/despite-dinger-explanation-marlins-outfielder-010127966.html)

Articulation matters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2021, 05:12:16 PM
Surprised no one has posted this one:
Chicago White Sox

Omar Vizquel
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Chris Cwik
Sat, August 7, 2021, 5:38 PM
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Omar Vizquel as the manager of the Birmingham Barons.
Omar Vizquel is accused of sexually harassing a former batboy with the Barons. (Photo by Michael Wade/Icon Sportswire via Getty Images)
A former batboy with the Birmingham Barons is suing former manager Omar Vizquel for alleged sexual harassment, according to Katie Strang and James Fegan of The Athletic.


The batboy worked for the Barons — a Double-A affiliate of the Chicago White Sox — in 2019. Vizquel was the team's manager during the 2019 season. In the lawsuit, the batboy alleges Vizquel “repeatedly exposed his erect penis to (him) and forced (him) to wash his back in the shower.” The batboy, who is autistic, believes he was "targeted for sexual harassment because of his disability.”


https://sports.yahoo.com/omar-vizquel-sued-for-alleged-sexual-harassment-by-former-batboy-213849830.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/omar-vizquel-sued-for-alleged-sexual-harassment-by-former-batboy-213849830.html)

I think he knows what a real bat looks like, Omar.

As Michael Kaye would put it, "See ya!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2021, 10:21:51 PM
Franchy Cordero is a menace to society.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2021, 10:34:42 PM
And Mr. Barnes and the rest of the pen need a week off.

Doesn't matter who we put out there in the middle, either.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 10, 2021, 11:16:57 PM
Its been deja vu for the past few weeks.

An endless loop of suck and implosion

I might have to consider the possibility kid may have finally gotten one right.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 10, 2021, 11:20:50 PM


Chuckling at Bankshot thinking Waldman is hot.

No. Ham (finally heard from with fervor on Phils) - I am still with the Mets, though I do not like the MGR.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 11, 2021, 05:40:27 PM


Chuckling at Bankshot thinking Waldman is hot.

No. Ham (finally heard from with fervor on Phils) - I am still with the Mets, though I do not like the MGR.

Sure. Uh-huh. Whatever you say. Still with the Mets, as a Yankees fan, now.

Got it.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 11, 2021, 08:46:53 PM
Win Win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2021, 07:26:22 PM
Mets sweep!!!!

Sit, Soto!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2021, 09:10:51 PM
The Field of Dreams game is cool.

They aren't playing on the field from the movie.

But while the Yanks and White Sox knock heads, on a different field set up for these games, on the regular Field of Dreams, a bunch of the kids are playing ball, ignoring the MLB contest.

And the drone cameras are giving some great shots, including of the huge corn maze set up.

Also... Judge hit a homer into the corn maze!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 12, 2021, 11:11:17 PM
that was a helluva 9th.

A corny Hollywood ending but it worked for me
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
that was a helluva 9th.

A corny Hollywood ending but it worked for me

Much better than the other way around.

Or the earlier debacle.

I went to Dyersville with my students just over 30 years ago, side trip from a field trip to a conference in Iowa City.

It was great - even my non-baseball fan students enjoyed it.

Dyersville, formerly best known as the Farm Toy Capital of the World.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 13, 2021, 07:30:52 AM
It was a "Field of Screams" for Yankee fans. It was "Children of the Corn" for relievers.

I thought the whole thing was truly hokey, from time the show opened with Kevin Costner walking around in a daze, until to the end, when the Yankees were walking around in a daze. And the setting illustrated how far out of touch the modern game is from the one Shoeless Joe and his pals played.

MLB's attempt to create such nostalgia only emphasized the fact that modern baseball remains out of step with the way the game was beautifully played back in the day, or even 30 years ago, when the movie was made. Where were the starting pitchers after the 5th? Each team used 4 pitchers in a 9 inning game, with no pitcher ever grabbing a bat to hit. One SB. No bunts, no singles hit behind the runners to advance them. The shift? The Yanks were 1-7 with RISP. What you saw were players just whacking away at fastballs, hoping for a homer or striking out.

(And if they really wanted to make it fun, they would not have put a fence next to the corn field. Let the fielders go in and try to find the ball, while the batter was circling the bases. Stanton's HR would've been caught by the left fielder standing in the corn.)

If baseball thought it could rekindle the father-to-son game that was actually played for decades as a national sport, it was doing so having jettisoned the game it wished you to recall so whimsically. 

If you like watching blown saves, though, this was the game for you. 

The by-gone era uniforms failed to disguise the deep flaws in what MLB calls "baseball", today. In fact, it seemed to me to underscore them.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 13, 2021, 07:41:12 PM
The Marwin Gonzales era is over.

Franchy Cordero can join him, soon, I hope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2021, 09:29:54 PM
Other than a couple of meatballs, Sale looked pretty good today in his 5 inning win against the Os.

Remains to be seen how he'll fare versus a MLB team.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2021, 05:08:13 PM
Cole tonight.

Looking forward to the show.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 16, 2021, 05:29:36 PM
Bryce Harper misses Rhys Hoskins in the line-up. Amazing how one bat can make such an impact on the rest of the line-up.

Aaron Nola has to learn how to pitch off of his fastball. The hitters are just sitting on the curve. It's a great curve, but if you aren't setting it up, the hitter has the advantage, and this season it is showing. If he doesn't adjust, his arm will rust.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 01:33:40 PM
Not good form, Brett Anderson

https://dodgersway.com/2021/08/16/dodgers-brett-anderson-buries-trevor-bauer-in-perfect-tweet/?a_aid=01234&fbclid=IwAR1Jg95XsXJn8B0xJuVIiST_d8VDGI5mw5SIlQWdcWCF5CbwJq5ZMG-xwIw
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 06:09:54 PM
Not good form, Brett Anderson

https://dodgersway.com/2021/08/16/dodgers-brett-anderson-buries-trevor-bauer-in-perfect-tweet/?a_aid=01234&fbclid=IwAR1Jg95XsXJn8B0xJuVIiST_d8VDGI5mw5SIlQWdcWCF5CbwJq5ZMG-xwIw

Also not good form is having the press permitted to see sealed court records, which of course they then posted about.

But so long as Bauer is defending himself on Twitter, he is inviting counter-commentary.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2021, 06:37:12 PM
Nice bullpen management today by JOEY
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 11:04:42 PM
Have I mentioned how much I hate 7 inning games?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2021, 11:05:46 PM
Nice bullpen management today by JOEY

I'm sure you would have done sooooo much better, Kid.

He put out all but one of his best arms in relief.

They all sucked today.

What do you propose he should have done?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 18, 2021, 09:53:10 AM
Quick hook with Houck.

He threw 58 pitches.

Houck is a stud.  46-7 K/BB.

JOEY shortened his stint because it wa a 7 inning affair, even though he had another game to play

Whitlock not staying in vs Gallo?  He can be forgiven for that somewhat given the 2 walks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 18, 2021, 09:56:29 AM
LaMaheui Gardner Judge were coming up

Thus far in the game they were

Ground out
Ground out
Ground out
Pop to SS
Ground out
Strike out

58 pitches

Sheesh.

Eck had to be goin nuts
Title: Re: Cat a tonic at Yankees game
Post by: Oilcan on August 18, 2021, 01:01:09 PM
  Sometimes, in a crisis, the brain can’t believe what it’s seeing and proceeds as if everything is normal. This is called “the incredulity response.” It takes a moment after the cat is spotted for attention to shift away from the manufactured stakes of the game and toward the primal stakes for the animal. As the cat tries to get its bearings, the crowd begins to cheer. When the cat jumps up onto the outfield wall, the crowd roars. In just a few moments, the cat has commanded the attention of the fans in the stands, the fans at home, the camera operators, the groundskeepers, the players, the announcers. It darts past the Orioles bullpen to a door and waits to be let out, but the man sitting behind the door does nothing, and the cat walks away in frustration. It trots along as the crowd chants: “Go, cat, go!” Groundskeepers jog impotently alongside the animal, which jumps up onto the wall again, then propels itself into the air in great vertical leaps. The crowd goes wild.

The thing about the cat: It’s so fast, so determined, so tenacious and tactical. It keeps trying different things in order to get what it wants, which is to get the hell out of this loud, crowded, confounding place. The cat is also an incredible athlete. Watching it is like watching an Olympic event. The cat is a sprinter. It’s a gravity-defying gymnast under stress. Unlike the cat at Coors Field in April, this cat doesn’t need to stop to catch its breath. Unlike the Killer Kitten, it doesn’t resort to violence. The crowd chants: “M.V.P., M.V.P.” People cheer as the cat evades the groundskeepers, even darting through one guy’s legs when cornered. Finally, someone opens a door, and the cat runs in, and the crowd boos, sad to see it go. “That was legitimately harrowing,” Brown says. “Amusing, but also harrowing. I don’t ever want to watch that again.” 


https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/magazine/cat-yankees-orioles.html?action=click&module=Well&pgtype=Homepage&section=The%20New%20York%20Times%20Magazine
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 19, 2021, 07:22:35 PM
Dedicated to Joe Girardi and the Phree Phallin' Phils:

https://youtu.be/1lWJXDG2i0A (https://youtu.be/1lWJXDG2i0A)

Better turn it around.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 19, 2021, 10:50:41 PM
On the bright side the Sox didn't lose tonight and only lost 1/2 games to several teams.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 20, 2021, 02:14:10 PM
https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2021/08/19/gm-brian-ohalloran-red-sox-miss-playoffs/?fbclid=IwAR0GYvurNv0eD0gzcJ8NUVM0Sxl0opLEExVgoshVRw_JQq03TKuqXBNE9j8


Joey protected

Too funny
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 21, 2021, 01:01:27 AM
Red Sox had two nights in a row without losing. Probably won't lose on Sunday or Monday, either. And if they don't shift tomorrow's game earlier, which they likely won't, we might make it 5 days in a row without losing a game.

Sure, only one will have seen a game get played, but... Sale and ERod and pray for rain? Somebody has been praying really hard!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 21, 2021, 10:47:55 AM
Weird fucking play in the 4th

https://www.mlb.com/news/rangers-shut-out-by-red-sox-at-fenway-park?game_pk=632827
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 21, 2021, 03:45:11 PM
Yanks are at it again - 6-zip in the seventh.

2 more knocks, 2 more ribs for the recently insulted LUKE VOIT
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 21, 2021, 10:27:42 PM
Red Sox had two nights in a row without losing. Probably won't lose on Sunday or Monday, either. And if they don't shift tomorrow's game earlier, which they likely won't, we might make it 5 days in a row without losing a game.

Sure, only one will have seen a game get played, but... Sale and ERod and pray for rain? Somebody has been praying really hard!

Not hard enough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 22, 2021, 12:26:47 PM
Aaron Nola pitched a gem, until...

Ugh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 22, 2021, 07:54:43 PM
Aaron Nola pitched a gem, until...

Ugh.

Until for some reason Girardi tried to let him finish
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 22, 2021, 08:31:52 PM
Aaron Nola pitched a gem, until...

Ugh.

Until for some reason Girardi tried to let him finish
InGaurdians as a Little League team... seems about right.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 23, 2021, 01:50:32 PM
Hoskins is back and the team wins. Not a coincidence, as his bat makes a big difference in that line-up. but is it too little too late? The last 38 games will tell the story.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 23, 2021, 03:11:06 PM
I do love the closed captioning typos sometimes.

"Brock Holt was placed on the Covert IL today."

Some secret! Now everybody knows!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 23, 2021, 04:28:46 PM
Right now, it is increasingly difficult to care about the outcome of the Red Sox games.

The inability to hold a lead since July 5th is as amazing as our ability to come back from a deficit was prior to that was.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 23, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
That was one f'ugly a but AWIZAWIN

This whipsaws this team does will eventually snap them and me in two, but they are not boring
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 23, 2021, 08:17:32 PM
Whitlock!

Joey - wising up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 23, 2021, 10:24:52 PM
Yanks over Braves? 

This shit gettin real.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 23, 2021, 10:27:25 PM
Whitlock!

Joey - wising up.

The same Whitlock whom you complained about Cora's putting in the other day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 24, 2021, 08:41:56 AM
Wasnt complaining that it was Whitlock

Your inability to follow even the basics of the game is stunning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 24, 2021, 09:02:26 AM
Wasnt complaining that it was Whitlock

Your inability to follow even the basics of the game is stunning.

Your assumption that you know why the starter was removed is the issue, Kid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 24, 2021, 09:25:01 AM
I know why he was removed.  Said so at the time.

7 inning game.

Went to the pen - and much too early at 58 pitches.  The hitters coming up, as I spelled out at the time, had done nothing in the ballgame.

Cora overmanaged.  Houck escaped a jam in the 4th, yes - but was at just 58 pitches.  Sox will miss the playoffs with some of their best having been underutilized

Or.....maybe we see a bit of a change today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 24, 2021, 06:51:45 PM
Entering Tuesday, Barnes had a 15.19 ERA in eight outings in August.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 24, 2021, 11:38:27 PM
It didn't go down tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 24, 2021, 11:40:50 PM
I needed more novacaine than is medically advised for that marathon of a root canal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 24, 2021, 11:47:12 PM
It didn't go down tonight.

No, but this might be his last closing appearance for a while.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 25, 2021, 09:32:18 AM
I see Padres are opening the door for Phils, Reds, Cards.

Should be an interesting finish

A's nose-diving in AL also has some teams WC hopes increase.  Could we see Yanks and Sox both make the dance?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 25, 2021, 09:41:47 AM
I guess 90 pitches (season high) was the magic number for HOUCK.  Joey took his win away.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 25, 2021, 12:16:46 PM
"Oh? Da Ball?" Herrera is a horrible fielder, and essentially gave away the game last night. That, and the fact that Rhys's pieces (groin injury) are still bugging him, and they are taking it slow---so he didn't play.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 25, 2021, 06:49:34 PM
I guess 90 pitches (season high) was the magic number for HOUCK.  Joey took his win away.

Kid put a single statistical win ahead of a pitcher's health.

Unless the manager left him in too long, whereupon the shrill one's voice would be crying out to get rid of the man for misusing talent.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 25, 2021, 11:15:39 PM
Have I mentioned how stupid I think it was to release Workman and bring in these bozos?

If you go into the 10th inning with Mr. 2.0 WHIP, you can bet at least one run will score.

I grant you, I would not have bet on 5.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 25, 2021, 11:25:22 PM
Well that was a shit-storm.

Vaz-two outs run on anything!

dumb fuck
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 26, 2021, 09:37:29 AM
More importantly - couldnt get the winning run in from 3rd in the ninth - with one out.

But....

WELCOME, SCHWARBER.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2021, 12:47:42 PM
More importantly - couldnt get the winning run in from 3rd in the ninth - with one out.

But....

WELCOME, SCHWARBER.

Not to replay a hypothetical game, but if Vaz runs on anything with two out, rather than losing track of the outs, Schwarber's 2-run dinger is the walk-off game winner.

Verdugo's AB was pretty bad, just hit a fucking flyball, but Vaz base running brain fart was brutal, if he was paying attention he scores 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 26, 2021, 01:41:10 PM
More importantly - couldnt get the winning run in from 3rd in the ninth - with one out.

But....

WELCOME, SCHWARBER.

Not to replay a hypothetical game, but if Vaz runs on anything with two out, rather than losing track of the outs, Schwarber's 2-run dinger is the walk-off game winner.

Verdugo's AB was pretty bad, just hit a fucking flyball, but Vaz base running brain fart was brutal, if he was paying attention he scores 100% of the time.

What play are you talking about? What inning?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2021, 02:40:48 PM
More importantly - couldnt get the winning run in from 3rd in the ninth - with one out.

But....

WELCOME, SCHWARBER.

Not to replay a hypothetical game, but if Vaz runs on anything with two out, rather than losing track of the outs, Schwarber's 2-run dinger is the walk-off game winner.

Verdugo's AB was pretty bad, just hit a fucking flyball, but Vaz base running brain fart was brutal, if he was paying attention he scores 100% of the time.

What play are you talking about? What inning?

bottom of the 3rd.

Vaz was on 2nd 2 outs, and Schwarber flared a soft single to right. If he had run on contact he would have scored easily. In replay you see him watching to see if the ball will be caught. He lost track of the outs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 26, 2021, 04:05:54 PM
For your pleasure. or pain...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abJ93x7R_98 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abJ93x7R_98)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2021, 07:30:57 PM
Sanu's bomb reminded me of Jim Rice's mammoth shot of KC's Steve Busby in July 1975. I was sitting in the CF bleachers on a nice July Friday night when Rice hammered a line shot that went just to the left of the top of the flag pole and continued on a line over the back wall. I watched that ball pass the flag pole, go over the wall, and head north to Maine for a week-end at Bar Harbor.

Unfortunately the game was not televised, but there are some articles recalling the blast, which is just one of 5 balls hit to clear the back wall (pre-CF scoreboard). It was the longest HR I ever saw in person, and according to press accounts, Tom Yawkey said it was the longest HR he ever saw hit in Fenway.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 26, 2021, 10:00:40 PM
Well, that's that.
Season is over.

PHILADELPHIA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 26, 2021, 10:42:00 PM
Yanks 6 A's 2  bottom 3

Holy smokes!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 26, 2021, 10:55:00 PM
Sox bounce back with a walk and a lot of runs in the park win

12-2

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 26, 2021, 11:02:18 PM
Sox bounce back with a walk and a lot of runs in the park win

12-2

Bobby D with 7 ribbies.

Chris Sale with (1) Win #3 and (2) his third Immaculate Inning, tying the record.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 27, 2021, 02:59:57 AM
In one week, Mo Vaughn, Nomar, Roger Clemens, Scott Cooper, Johnny Damon, and John Valentin were each a part of  immaculate innings.

Separately, while there are only two pitchers (Koufax is the other) who have thrown three immaculate innings, there were nineteen batters who have been struck out in two immaculate innings!

None in three so far.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 27, 2021, 06:43:38 PM
https://yanksgoyard.com/2021/08/26/yankees-roderick-arias-international-prospect-shortstop/?a_aid=36534&fbclid=IwAR330O05QtMJIjLcd7LIoJiCVBWKvG6CyqiTAXJ_3LXOmxRRHfWuUq4SR88
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 27, 2021, 10:43:37 PM
that was a damn fine CFBW

reminded me of WBW in May
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 27, 2021, 11:00:03 PM
that was a damn fine CFBW

reminded me of WBW in May

It was nice to see Erod pitch that well, despite his leaving behind.

Having Kike and Arroyo on the COVID list provided an unexpected bonus tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 28, 2021, 07:53:58 PM
Another inning of Whitlock would have been alright with me. Really.

Perez?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 28, 2021, 09:30:09 PM
Ohtani HBP on pitching hand.  Doesnt look good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 28, 2021, 10:28:20 PM
Ohtani HBP on pitching hand.  Doesnt look good.

Oh no!

That's terrible. I hope he's okay or recovers swiftly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 29, 2021, 04:14:45 PM
https://www.boston.com/sports/analysis/2021/08/27/grading-chaim-bloom-red-sox-trades-signings/?fbclid=IwAR3eeBR1OWLlvpjBFkDYagHAmbeA-SNT2R2tSr8RAkyTQUON8RwKrlFNNjA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2021, 05:42:03 PM
Ohtani HBP on pitching hand.  Doesnt look good.

Oh no!

That's terrible. I hope he's okay or recovers swiftly.

He seems to have recovered well, so far.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 29, 2021, 06:48:18 PM
HR?

Need him for fantasy playoffs.

Funny how low he was drafted - as a pitcher and hitter
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 29, 2021, 08:04:54 PM
looked like a win

smelled like a win

quacked like a win

Sox should have ducked

ducking ugly loss
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 29, 2021, 10:26:20 PM
Sox up TWO on A's, 4 on M's
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2021, 10:27:37 PM
looked like a win

smelled like a win

quacked like a win

Sox should have ducked

ducking ugly loss

Austin Davis.

That's all.

We got what we deserved.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 29, 2021, 11:12:29 PM
I guess you don't like the Chavis deal...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 29, 2021, 11:31:47 PM
I guess you don't like the Chavis deal...

I thought it was stupid at the time. I think it is stupid now.

We got rid of one pitcher with a higher upside but who pitches the way Davis and whatshisname before him tonight have pitched and we got rid of a hitter with potential and some position versatility and got these two doofuses who are *always* disasters waiting to happen.

They are the Frenchy Corderos and (the other outfielder we already DFAed) of the pitching staff.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 30, 2021, 12:27:20 AM
Robles?  No quiero?  Really?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 30, 2021, 07:33:43 AM
Most consecutive games reaching base safely, players age 20 & under (since 1901):

1956 Frank Robinson: 43
1951-52 Mickey Mantle: 36
1932 Arky Vaughan: 33
1929 Mel Ott: 33
1928-29 Mel Ott: 30
2021 Wander Franco: 29*


* active streak extended today
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 30, 2021, 11:09:48 AM
Most consecutive games reaching base safely, players age 20 & under (since 1901):

1956 Frank Robinson: 43
1951-52 Mickey Mantle: 36
1932 Arky Vaughan: 33
1929 Mel Ott: 33
1928-29 Mel Ott: 30
2021 Wander Franco: 29*


* active streak extended today


Yesterday, at the time of posting. unless you've moved to somewhere on the other side of the Atlantic or Pacific.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2021, 12:28:28 AM
TB wins.

Sox lose.

Not close, really.

Bobby D is being fun to watch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 09:26:16 AM
More importantly Seattle loses

A's were off

1 on Oakland
3 on Seattle

(Loss column)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on August 31, 2021, 11:11:49 AM
Rays are the better team.

If Sox can manage a split that would be big in holding onto WC2 for a few more days.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 31, 2021, 01:05:39 PM
Just seeing our old friend JUAN LAGARES smoked the Yanks last night.  3-4 with a 3B and game winning ribbie in the 8th

Funny game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2021, 09:07:55 PM
Another stellar game on the mound and defensively by the Sox.

TB better watch out!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2021, 10:22:06 PM
Another stellar game on the mound and defensively by the Sox.

TB better watch out!

Hey, 8-5 is better than 8-1, right?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 31, 2021, 11:14:11 PM
The end of the Delino DeShields, Jr., era in Boston:
https://www.mlb.com/news/reds-acquire-delino-deshields-from-red-sox
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2021, 09:04:33 AM
Seattle wins
Oakland wins
And PHILLIES win!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 01, 2021, 09:06:46 AM
And Mets .... Ahem.....stay in the race
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2021, 01:23:23 PM
Another stellar game on the mound and defensively by the Sox.

TB better watch out!

Watching the Sox play defense this year, it has become abundantly clear, and the stats bear me out, that unfortunately the only thing they are good at catching is covid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2021, 03:54:34 PM
this is a test

no this is a test

you're both wrong this is the test

sorry Elba but something weird just happened in a post, so I'm testing
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2021, 06:17:24 PM
this is a test

no this is a test

you're both wrong this is the test

sorry Elba but something weird just happened in a post, so I'm testing

Ward is censoring your baseball posts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 01, 2021, 07:30:14 PM
this is a test

no this is a test

you're both wrong this is the test

sorry Elba but something weird just happened in a post, so I'm testing

Ward is censoring your baseball posts.
I may be wrong but I think Ward/Red hasn't voluntarily read my posts since 2015.

My problem post was in the Biden forum earlier this afternoon.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 01, 2021, 07:35:46 PM
this is a test

no this is a test

you're both wrong this is the test

sorry Elba but something weird just happened in a post, so I'm testing

Ward is censoring your baseball posts.
I may be wrong but I think Ward/Red hasn't voluntarily read my posts since 2015.

My problem post was in the Biden forum earlier this afternoon.

Given that Ward has no power to censor anything, including himself, it was a facetious comment.

Sorry.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 02, 2021, 09:58:43 AM
The Athletic has a somewhat informative article about the Red Sox and COVID-19, though it raises questions for me.

They also have a sweet piece from Katie Woo on the passing of her grandfather, who gave to her her love for baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 02, 2021, 10:08:35 PM
Erod with a solid pitching performance, Bobby D with 2 RBI singles, and Garrett Richards with a 3 inning scoreless save out of the pen.

Nice game for the Red Sox vs. TB.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 02, 2021, 11:02:06 PM
That game was entertaining and pretty well played.

and Eddie and Richards showed up huge.

given how the series started, a split worked just fine.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 03, 2021, 09:37:43 AM
Picked up Rodriguez in GGHF at the right time

Now I just need to remember to get him in the lineup when he pitches.

Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 03, 2021, 11:04:36 PM
Decent game for the RS, if a bit scary at the end.

Nice to see Toronto's cfbw in the 9th, less nice to see the NYY cfbw in the 11th after falling behind in the 10th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 04, 2021, 03:53:54 PM
The Os vs. Yanks game is worth tuning into in the 7th inning at the moment, despite the error just made by the Os 2nd baseman.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 04, 2021, 04:45:59 PM
Part of a story on The Athletic

Quote

Rosenthal: Red Sox, other teams with lower vaccination rates may be jeopardizing postseason chances as well as health

You hear it all the time from players:
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 04, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
Well that was fun.
So what's a little late inning whiplash?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 04, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
Well that was fun.
So what's a little late inning whiplash?

From MLB coverage of the game, about the Devers home run

"His three-run shot snapped a 3-0 tie."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2021, 01:58:54 PM
Nothing like having your starting pitcher put on the COVID-19 list right before the game he was going to start and giving a pitcher a chance to make his MLB debut in the middle of post-season chase.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2021, 02:09:08 PM
Nothing like having your starting pitcher put on the COVID-19 list right before the game he was going to start and giving a pitcher a chance to make his MLB debut in the middle of post-season chase.

But hey, he only gave up 4 runs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2021, 02:16:53 PM
Nothing like having your starting pitcher put on the COVID-19 list right before the game he was going to start and giving a pitcher a chance to make his MLB debut in the middle of post-season chase.

But hey, he only gave up 4 runs.

Oh, good. His reliever has MLB experience: 28 games, 28.2 innings, and an ERA of 6.28
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on September 05, 2021, 02:24:39 PM
Cashman has done a fine job with developing young pitchers this year but Rizzo replacing Voight is crazy. Luke is batting over .400 last few weeks while Rizzo will never see the mendoza line again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 05, 2021, 03:47:18 PM
Cashman has done a fine job with developing young pitchers this year but Rizzo replacing Voight is crazy. Luke is batting over .400 last few weeks while Rizzo will never see the mendoza line again.

What are you talking about?!

Rizzo's at .248 on the season and .300 avg for the last week. .964 OPS

Voit was at .143 avg for the last week and OPS of .400. OTOH, Voit's average for the year is a bit higher at .256.

Maybe you meant the other way around?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 05, 2021, 05:34:57 PM
Thought the Sox were going to steal this one, at 6-5.

Not to be.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 06, 2021, 10:33:18 AM
Gotta love Jomboy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zau1dJK_VA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zau1dJK_VA)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 06, 2021, 04:50:07 PM
Sox getting Iglesias - sweet
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2021, 05:40:21 PM
Another stellar game on the mound and defensively by the Sox.

TB better watch out!

Watching the Sox play defense this year, it has become abundantly clear, and the stats bear me out, that unfortunately the only thing they are good at catching is covid.

Today echoes your sentiment.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 06, 2021, 05:41:27 PM
Sox getting Iglesias - sweet

Needed him in multiple positions today.

Including pitcher and manager.

Ran out of competent pitchers and Ottavino got yanked too quickly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 06, 2021, 06:11:44 PM
Another stellar game on the mound and defensively by the Sox.

TB better watch out!

Watching the Sox play defense this year, it has become abundantly clear, and the stats bear me out, that unfortunately the only thing they are good at catching is covid.

Today echoes your sentiment.

That was one of the weirdest, ugliest, least fulfilling games, I think I ever watched.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 07, 2021, 09:36:04 AM
HOLY COW!  Here come the Blue Jays!  Won 5 straight, 7 of 8

Crazy game - even Indians are in it (heh)


Yankees   +2
Boston   -----

Toronto  -1
Seattle  -2
Oakland  -2
Cleveland   -6

(loss column mathematics)



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 07, 2021, 11:07:28 AM
HOLY COW!  Here come the Blue Jays!  Won 5 straight, 7 of 8

Crazy game - even Indians are in it
Theoretical possibilities. Not even Cyber Ninjas can cook those books.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on September 07, 2021, 08:10:07 PM
voit has 8 homers and 31 rbi Rizzo 4 and 13 as yankees this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 07, 2021, 08:22:30 PM
voit has 8 homers and 31 rbi Rizzo 4 and 13 as yankees this year.

Voit has twice as many ABS as well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 07, 2021, 08:23:02 PM
voit has 8 homers and 31 rbi Rizzo 4 and 13 as yankees this year.

Yes. and your point is?

Voit has had 207 plate appearances. Rizzon has had 105. Duh, Voit has had more homers and RBIs.
Rizzo has 27 runs produced (runs + rbis - HRs_. Voit has 46, in slightly more than twice the ABs and slightly less than twice the PAs.

However, your original post was about their previous weeks and you claimed, bizarrely, that Rizzo would never be about the Mendoza line while he was above it!!

So, again, what point are you trying to make? Voit is not currently hitting better than Rizzo.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 07, 2021, 08:30:15 PM
voit has 8 homers and 31 rbi Rizzo 4 and 13 as yankees this year.

Need em both
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 07, 2021, 08:51:17 PM
Agree with Kid. Though it could all be moot if Cole is hurt.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 07, 2021, 09:46:23 PM
Left the Sox game at 7-1.

Came back at 12-1.

Was glad I left. Left again. Wonder what it will be at the end.

But not much.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 08, 2021, 08:03:43 AM
Wild cards


Games over .500

AL

Yankees  18
Red Sox  17
Blue Jays   13
Mariners   11
Athletics   10

NL

Dodgers  37
Padres  8
Reds   8
Phillies    4
Mets    1   
Cardinals   1
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 08, 2021, 10:24:03 AM
I can fix Aaron Nola. But can he?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on September 08, 2021, 07:48:46 PM
voit has 8 homers and 31 rbi Rizzo 4 and 13 as yankees this year.

Voit has twice as many ABS as well.

Voit led the majors in homeruns last year and does not need replacing.  Luke is on the bench because Cashman made a useless trade. Rizzo got a few bloops recently.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 08, 2021, 09:04:31 PM
voit has 8 homers and 31 rbi Rizzo 4 and 13 as yankees this year.

Voit has twice as many ABS as well.

Voit led the majors in homeruns last year and does not need replacing.  Luke is on the bench because Cashman made a useless trade. Rizzo got a few bloops recently.

Voit didn't need replacing, but you seem to forget: From July 12 through Aug 7, Luke played a total of ZERO games. So, they traded for Rizzo.

For Voit's first 10 games back in the line up, he hit .243 and his OPS was .804.

For the time that Rizzo joined the club through Aug 7, he hit .281 and his OPS was .963. Then he was out on the COVID list.

But your bullshit about Voit's superiority has no basis in fact and your complaint about the acquisition sounds like a fanboy, not a thinking man.

You want to argue that since Rizzo returned to the club, Voit has been a better hitter?

I'll simply agree with you.

But the Yankees did well to have acquired him when they did and had he not gotten COVID, he might be a better hitter now than Voit is now. Impossible to no.

Overall, during Voit's year compared to Rizzo's year for the Yankees, Rizzo has been a more effective hitter as well as for average.

IT'S STATISTICS, Luee.

You could look it up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 08, 2021, 10:02:08 PM
whatafucking(ren)throw!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 08, 2021, 10:26:58 PM
whatafucking(ren)throw!

And a great tag.

But two throws plus the game winning homer?

It will have to do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 09, 2021, 09:59:06 PM
Luee, the acquisition you should be unhappy with is Joey Gallo. He's hitting .136 and has an OPS around .630 at the moment, in his time with the Yankees. One full season batting over .210 ever. Even in the years when he his more than 40 homers, his was just not that good, overall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 09, 2021, 10:49:56 PM
Hey, Luke Voit hit a home run tonight.

So did Anthony Rizzo.

So did Vlad Guererro. Blue Jays won again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 09, 2021, 11:09:27 PM
113 years is a lonnnnng time

Yanks get swept FOUR games at home while not having a lead in any of the 4.

First time since 1908.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 09, 2021, 11:28:01 PM
All you need to know, as go why you can't blame the offense this season:

Phillies have blown 30 saves this season, most in the majors and a single-season team record. Bullpen has given up 78 homers, fifth-most in majors at the moment

SOS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 10, 2021, 06:59:23 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32182856/boston-red-sox-pitcher-chris-sale-tests-positive-covid-19

So not in the news, even up here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 11, 2021, 02:04:07 AM
Missed it by that much.

OTOH, the Yankees and Toronto (and TB) lost.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2021, 10:29:46 AM
Missed it by that much.

OTOH, the Yankees and Toronto (and TB) lost.

I turned it on late, (4-1) so saw the almost comeback, just needed a little more magic.

From the little I saw it was a good game.

WC race is about as tight as it can get.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 11, 2021, 08:58:36 PM
Congratulations to Cleveland's record setting offense!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 11, 2021, 09:01:37 PM
Congratulations to Cleveland's record setting offense!

Pretty stunning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 11, 2021, 11:31:51 PM
A gut check fucking ugly but weirdly awesome CFBW game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 11, 2021, 11:43:14 PM
A gut check fucking ugly but weirdly awesome CFBW game

CFBTFATFBW.

I'll take it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 12, 2021, 12:14:20 AM
A lot of games left and the AL Wild Card is... pretty wild.

I don't think folks would have guessed that after that Yankees winning streak that they would be coming back to join the WC wannabes, pretty much the same way nobody was expecting the early July Red Sox to falter so badly.

It should be an exciting last 20ish games for a bunch of teams.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 12, 2021, 08:23:41 AM
Congratulations to Cleveland's record setting offense!

Pretty stunning.
You know what else is stunning? Zach Plesac was the InGaurdians' starting pitcher for all three official no hitters. Only on pitcher, Jim Perry, has ever done that in a career. Plesac got that in one year.

The 7 inning no hitter by Tampa was unofficial, probably because Plesac wasn't the starter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 12, 2021, 11:32:04 AM
A gut check fucking ugly but weirdly awesome CFBW game

Whitlock!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 12, 2021, 02:44:51 PM
Back to back, baybeee!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 12, 2021, 05:23:11 PM
Whitlock!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 12, 2021, 08:22:37 PM
Mistake made - mistake hit

Cora had the right guy out there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 12, 2021, 09:09:58 PM
Doc Gooden, ESPN?  Really?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 13, 2021, 01:31:11 PM
Wild card races - games above .500

AL

Blue Jays  17
Red Sox    17
Yankees    15
Athletics    11
Mariners    11


NL

Dodgers     38
Padres        6
Reds           6
Cardinals     4
Phillies        1
Mets           0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 13, 2021, 10:25:00 PM
I wonder if there has ever been a year in which more leads of 5 or more runs have been overcome.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 13, 2021, 10:37:04 PM
The InGaurdians will not be no hit today!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2021, 12:39:14 AM
"He woulda been out of the inning" is not a good excuse for a slider over the heart of the plate.

Unearned runs are still runs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 14, 2021, 01:51:27 AM
A solid start, overall, by Erod - 3 unearned runs against Braisier, but he did pitch a meatball for that homer.

And just enough firepower to lose.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on September 15, 2021, 07:56:46 AM
Insane year; Giants out of nowhere, win-loss streaks all over the place.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 15, 2021, 09:46:25 AM
Farhad Zaidi!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 15, 2021, 09:48:40 AM
Quiz for today.....


Top 20 all time Dodgers in franchise history - ranked by WAR (wins above replacement player)

17 are from 1950 on - dont expect you to get the other 3.  Order not important, though the guy on top is a bit of a surprise
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 15, 2021, 10:11:46 AM
Quiz for today.....


Top 20 all time Dodgers in franchise history - ranked by WAR (wins above replacement player)

17 are from 1950 on - dont expect you to get the other 3.  Order not important, though the guy on top is a bit of a surprise

Naming 20 Dodgers over history is tough enough! 20 Yankees or Orioles would be much easier. Could probably do 20 Pirates more easily, Cards, too.

Snider
Wills
Koufax
Garvey
Cey
Drysdale
Campanella
Piazza
Hodges
Reese
Smith (Reggie)
Davis (T)
Davis (W)
Bellinger
Mota (No, I do not expect him to be on the list, but he is somebody I remember, if more for pinch hitting than anything else.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 15, 2021, 10:18:38 AM
Some of the names that I failed to come up with are embarrassing!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 16, 2021, 01:47:41 AM
Nice game by the Red Sox in Seattle this afternoon!

Winning a series there for the first time in eons!

Yankees had a nice last minute come from behind win.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2021, 12:17:42 PM
Quiz for today.....


Top 20 all time Dodgers in franchise history - ranked by WAR (wins above replacement player)

17 are from 1950 on - dont expect you to get the other 3.  Order not important, though the guy on top is a bit of a surprise

Naming 20 Dodgers over history is tough enough! 20 Yankees or Orioles would be much easier. Could probably do 20 Pirates more easily, Cards, too.

Snider
Wills
Koufax
Garvey
Cey
Drysdale
Campanella
Piazza
Hodges
Reese
Smith (Reggie)
Davis (T)
Davis (W)
Bellinger
Mota (No, I do not expect him to be on the list, but he is somebody I remember, if more for pinch hitting than anything else.)

Dodgers strengths have historically been pitching pitching pitching
I'd bet Sutton (arguably the greatest accumulator ever), Hershiser,  Valenzuela are in the LAD's top 20

Kershaw too

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 16, 2021, 09:33:15 PM
Nobody liked my last trivia question.

Try this one:

When did MLB last have four teams that lost 100 games in a season?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2021, 10:06:03 PM
Nobody liked my last trivia question.

Try this one:

When did MLB last have four teams that lost 100 games in a season?!

I'm pretty sure it wasn't 2020*

so working backwards

2019
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 17, 2021, 02:56:19 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10012564-yankees-face-agonizing-dilemma-with-gleyber-torres-fall-from-stardom
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 17, 2021, 03:29:34 PM
This kind of inexplicable fall off for young non-pitchers is pretty rare.  Usually, I assume, injuries are involved, but I don't really think that's the case with Torres.  I guess it happened similarly with Carl Crawford (no injuries) and if I had any patience I'd look for some more.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 17, 2021, 05:29:20 PM
This kind of inexplicable fall off for young non-pitchers is pretty rare.  Usually, I assume, injuries are involved, but I don't really think that's the case with Torres.  I guess it happened similarly with Carl Crawford (no injuries) and if I had any patience I'd look for some more.

VHS.


Von Hayes Syndrome
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on September 17, 2021, 10:39:34 PM
Matt Barnes returns from the gulag
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 18, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
Matt Barnes returns from the gulag

It was not an awe inspiring performance, though he was better than he has been.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 18, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
If Barnes can give them a decent 3 outs in the 6th 7th or 8th i'll take it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 18, 2021, 05:08:39 PM
Nice game after a ragged start by Pivetta.

Lovely to see the bats doing their thing.

Special treat is watching the Yankees lose.
Title: Cards BIG run, Red Sox resurgence
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 19, 2021, 01:46:38 PM
Entering today - by games above .500

AL

Boston    20
Toronto    18
New York    17
Oakland 14

NL

Los Angeles    41
St Louis      9
Cincinnati    5
Philadelphia   4
San Diego     4
Title: Re: Cards BIG run, Red Sox resurgence
Post by: josh on September 19, 2021, 04:51:19 PM
Entering today - by games above .500

AL

Boston    20
Toronto    18
New York    17
Oakland 14

NL

Los Angeles    41
St Louis      9
Cincinnati    5
Philadelphia   4
San Diego     4

After the afternoon games in the AL:

Boston 21
Toronto 19
New York 16
Oakland 14 (game ongoing)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2021, 01:53:04 AM
Billy Beane hangin tough (15)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2021, 10:19:17 PM
Fuckin Jays are tough as nails

Down 6-2 entering 9th and now have tying run up with none out

As Chapman tries to get last three outs in Bronx

update - bases juiced 2 out for jays
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 20, 2021, 10:34:24 PM
YES!  Yanks gain a game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 21, 2021, 02:06:53 AM
YES!  Yanks gain a game.

Half a game, Kid.

Really having a tough time keeping track, are you?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 21, 2021, 03:02:58 AM
Didn't they gain a game on Toronto?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 21, 2021, 06:01:56 AM
Didn't they gain a game on Toronto?

I suppose. On Oakland, too.

I yield the point.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2021, 08:10:47 AM
YES!  Yanks gain a game.

Half a game, Kid.

Really having a tough time keeping track, are you?

No.  A game.

Yanks were out of playoffs before yesterday by 1.5 games.

Big loss for A's who would have been just a game out
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 21, 2021, 10:49:12 AM
YES!  Yanks gain a game.

Half a game, Kid.

Really having a tough time keeping track, are you?

No.  A game.

Yanks were out of playoffs before yesterday by 1.5 games.

Big loss for A's who would have been just a game out

So, was the Yankees loss the day before a "big loss?'
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 21, 2021, 11:11:26 AM
INDEED

Especially with Cole on the hill

The Yankee fans I spent the weekend with are a combination of puzzled and pissed off.

I am just enjoying the races as usual.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 21, 2021, 11:16:03 AM
I'm not puzzled or pissed off.  This team was poorly built.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 21, 2021, 11:22:30 PM
Good games all around among Boston, Toronto, and New York.

It's been a month and a day since the Red Sox were this close to TB.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 22, 2021, 12:31:18 AM
Did Kiermaier do anything wrong?

https://www.mlb.com/news/rays-blue-jays-kevin-kiermaier-pitching-card
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2021, 04:05:26 PM
Did Kiermaier do anything wrong?

https://www.mlb.com/news/rays-blue-jays-kevin-kiermaier-pitching-card

Nope.

It's not like he bugged the locker room or videotaped practiced sessions stole a playbook or played for the Patriots or...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 22, 2021, 04:09:16 PM
Sure, he did

And knew so as soon as he got to his dugout.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 22, 2021, 04:10:37 PM
Sure, he did

And knew so as soon as he got to his dugout.

No. He didn't. He found a lost item. And if you think it made a difference in the game's outcome, you don't know baseball
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 22, 2021, 09:58:08 PM
Dont put words in other's mouths.

There's class in this game - and there is trash

Keirmeier lies in between.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 22, 2021, 11:22:49 PM
A solid win for the Red Sox. Lots of batting practice and then a day off.

The Yankees come in looking for a sweep and feeling as if they need to at least win the series.

Most important regular season series for either team in a while. Should be fun!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 23, 2021, 02:22:49 PM
Dont put words in other's mouths.

There's class in this game - and there is trash

Keirmeier lies in between.

You're addled. If stealing signs is part of the game, then finding a lost cheat sheet is, too.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 23, 2021, 05:52:30 PM
You're addled.



Is that an insult?  I forgive you.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 23, 2021, 06:12:51 PM
You're addled.





Is that an insult?  I forgive you.

1: thrown into confusion : CONFUSED
his addled brain/mind
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 23, 2021, 06:29:03 PM
You're addled.



Is that an insult?  I forgive you.

It's the opposite of subtractled.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 23, 2021, 11:24:26 PM
Blue Jays looked pretty flat against the Twins tonight in losing their second game in a row.

I don't know that it is more than a blip, but they don't have time for a lot of blips.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2021, 11:44:31 PM
margin for blips is getting pretty thin.

BJs still have 3 against the Ys that give them some blip recovery

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 24, 2021, 09:21:35 AM
Yanks have toughest schedule


Updated wild cards


AL

Boston      23 games above .500
New York   19
Toronto      17
Seattle       15


NL

LA/SF        gone
St Louis    gone
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 24, 2021, 10:31:26 AM
Down by 6, win by 6.

Could be setting up for a showdown in Atlanta.

Knowing the Phils they will catch Atlanta, then lose the Division in Florida  on the last weekend as the Marlins have their number.

If only Hopkins and Eflin didn't get hurt....and they had a real closer, which they've lacked all season long.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 24, 2021, 01:10:02 PM
NERIS has excellent numbers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 24, 2021, 06:53:15 PM
From MLB dot com:

"Castrovince: I actually had a card printed out that explained every team but Kiermaier pocketed it!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 24, 2021, 10:57:59 PM
Another CFBW. Braves lose. Down to 1 back.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 25, 2021, 01:30:09 AM
Red Sox did not look good against the Yankees tonight.

They had best bounce back in the next game.

Toronto still did not look great.

Seattle looked beatable, but held on to win tonight, staying 2 behind the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 25, 2021, 07:42:24 AM
Loved it when Keith Hernandez commented in those Bosox unis this week.

"It looks like they're wearing some kind of dessert!"

Haven't seen such silly uniforms in baseball since those ChiSox softball duds in the 70's!

https://youtu.be/dJCTO1w3qXc (https://youtu.be/dJCTO1w3qXc)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2021, 10:38:50 AM
Evo had nothing last night and he and the Sox got pounded.

Here's hoping they bounce back today with a better effort and a W.

and their traditional home whites.

I didn't mind the UCLA/San Diego Charger California mellow yellows.

But as the eminent baseball philosopher Crash Davis once sagely opined,

"never fuck with a winning streak"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 25, 2021, 12:40:26 PM
Evo had nothing last night and he and the Sox got pounded.

Here's hoping they bounce back today with a better effort and a W.

and their traditional home whites.

I didn't mind the UCLA/San Diego Charger California mellow yellows.

But as the eminent baseball philosopher Crash Davis once sagely opined,

"never fuck with a winning streak"

Looks like the Ukrainian baseball team!

Unprofessional look, for sure.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2021, 01:00:06 PM
Evo had nothing last night and he and the Sox got pounded.

Here's hoping they bounce back today with a better effort and a W.

and their traditional home whites.

I didn't mind the UCLA/San Diego Charger California mellow yellows.

But as the eminent baseball philosopher Crash Davis once sagely opined,

"never fuck with a winning streak"

Looks like the Ukrainian baseball team!

Unprofessional look, for sure.

This is probably before your time, but almost 50 years ago, the 1972-74 Oakland As wore similarly striking bright gold and green uniforms in an otherwise fashion drab MLB.

And they won 3 World Series in such fashion forward garb.

BTW I'm not familiar with Ukrainian baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 25, 2021, 03:42:26 PM
Evo had nothing last night and he and the Sox got pounded.

Here's hoping they bounce back today with a better effort and a W.

and their traditional home whites.

I didn't mind the UCLA/San Diego Charger California mellow yellows.

But as the eminent baseball philosopher Crash Davis once sagely opined,

"never fuck with a winning streak"

Looks like the Ukrainian baseball team!

Unprofessional look, for sure.

This is probably before your time, but almost 50 years ago, the 1972-74 Oakland As wore similarly striking bright gold and green uniforms in an otherwise fashion drab MLB.

And they won 3 World Series in such fashion forward garb.

BTW I'm not familiar with Ukrainian baseball.

Roliie Fingers, Catfish Hunter. Some guy named Reggie, Vida Blue (but with no canary yellow)...I think I remember them well.

And those Uniforms were still quite professional looking.

But the Boston uni, now? Tweety Bird meets the Smurfs!

(https://static.wbsc.org/assets/cms/dce59b74-21b5-3cc8-162f-c149d85c8901.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 25, 2021, 03:45:07 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1265687519779106816/2UcwiL9B.jpg). (https://bdc2020.o0bc.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/6HCIJHB6WYST5AHJD2HNWEVDG4-614cc889684b2-768x432.jpg?width=900)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 25, 2021, 05:58:42 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/adam-duvall-and-daniel-hudson-make-history

Two players, two games, four teams, and three cities. One baseball day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 25, 2021, 06:47:05 PM
The home plate in the Yankees-Red Sox game is awful at balls and strikes.

Awful.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 25, 2021, 07:56:18 PM
That was a nut punch game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 25, 2021, 10:15:04 PM
Ranger Suarez with the CGSO.
Braves currently down by 1 in the 7th.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 09:38:25 AM
Phils may be the worst playoff team since the '73 Metropolitans
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 26, 2021, 01:05:08 PM
Phils may be the worst playoff team since the '73 Metropolitans

Could be. But they have to make the playoffs first.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 26, 2021, 04:58:48 PM
Bad loss today reflecting the major loss of Zach Eflin.

Not good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 26, 2021, 08:37:20 PM
I like David Ortiz.

I enjoy his stories.

But, jeez, guys, call the game!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 09:07:59 PM
Great to see Oakland hang tough.  With win tonight, 3 games back of tonight's loser, though with SEA and TOR between them.

Would Billy Beane leave for the Mets?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 10:20:19 PM
Stanton homers with 1B open

Oh, that JOEY.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 26, 2021, 10:21:38 PM
They punched the right one last night

They got the left one tonight.

Nice umping Cowboy Joe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 26, 2021, 11:29:13 PM
They punched the right one last night

They got the left one tonight.

Nice umping Cowboy Joe.

That one cannot appeal the "dropped" 3rd strike is absurd and had a material effect on the game. If Judge is out instead of given another chance, then the RS can walk Stanton (as Arod said) and the game changes, a ton.

But it is not Joe West's fault that a meatball was thrown to Stanton and deposited deep into the night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 26, 2021, 11:38:26 PM
AL wild card win totals

89
88
87
86
85

2 get in - anything can happen with 6 left
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2021, 11:17:39 AM
AL wild card win totals

89
88
87
86
85

2 get in - anything can happen with 6 left

Jays will prevail.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 27, 2021, 12:40:17 PM
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-09-25/woman-and-child-die-after-fall-at-petco-park-before-padres-game (https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-09-25/woman-and-child-die-after-fall-at-petco-park-before-padres-game)

Did she have help?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 27, 2021, 01:10:24 PM
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-09-25/woman-and-child-die-after-fall-at-petco-park-before-padres-game (https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-09-25/woman-and-child-die-after-fall-at-petco-park-before-padres-game)

Did she have help?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5WWVBnBMnqc
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 01:15:38 PM
AL wild card win totals

89
88
87
86
85

2 get in - anything can happen with 6 left

Jays will prevail.

and who?  Will Joey's boys (Sox) complete their fall and miss the playoffs?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 27, 2021, 01:26:48 PM
I wonder if Kid actually thinks that calling Alex Cora by his brother's name is amusing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 01:54:14 PM
So was there a fallout amongst fans, press, etc over JOEY's decision to pitch to Giancarlo last night?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 27, 2021, 02:32:09 PM
I wonder if Kid actually thinks that calling Alex Cora by his brother's name is amusing.
People who make personal in jokes that amuse only themselves and run them into the ground are pathetic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 27, 2021, 02:48:45 PM
I feel like I am missing something here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 27, 2021, 03:12:32 PM
Just now?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 28, 2021, 08:35:25 AM
Bradley Zimmer homered off his brother Kyle yesterday. Fun fact: the last.person to hit a homer off his brother was 1976, when Joe Neikro hit a homer off his brother Phil. It was also the only home run of Joe Neikro's career.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 09:13:47 AM
Very cool.  No Brett vs Brett, I guess.  I wonder if Kenny walked George.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 09:16:24 AM
Well, here it is (assumed accurate - no homer mentioned)

TIL George Brett faced his brother, Ken, 20 times throughout their careers
George went 6 for 20 against his older brother

Ken unfortunately died of brain cancer in 2003 at the age of 55.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 28, 2021, 09:53:59 AM
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/aaron-nola-strikes-out-brother-austin-nola-dad-has-great-reaction (https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/aaron-nola-strikes-out-brother-austin-nola-dad-has-great-reaction)


This will make for a fun Thanksgiving dinner.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 28, 2021, 10:24:36 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/braves-phillies-head-head-division-071828004.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/braves-phillies-head-head-division-071828004.html)

Season on the line.

Sure do miss Rhys Hoskins and Zac Eflin.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 10:59:16 AM
Yeah, Elfin loss killed you the other day when Phils were shut out

Heh

Pulling this week for Harper, surely.  Wouldn't mind seeing him in a full series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 11:00:46 AM
MLB has to be ecstatic to get this type 6-game finish in AL WC and in NL East/West this year.  Rule changes paying dividends.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 28, 2021, 10:24:53 PM
JOEY - they are fucking 50 and 106!

Go, Seattle.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 28, 2021, 11:35:06 PM
Fucking Sox

Heart of a warrior.

If they only had one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 29, 2021, 10:03:56 AM
Don't give up, Bank.  Still in good shape to get at least 1 playoff game.

Just not at the Fens
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 29, 2021, 11:12:17 AM
They're not dead yet. And as I posted elsewhere, despite their flaws and limitations, I still hope they crawl into a 1 game playoff and gut the Yanks in the Bronx.
Title: Bring out yer dead!!!!
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 29, 2021, 11:52:27 AM
"You're not fooling anyone you know..."

" I feel fine"

"Ah he.ll be dead by my next shift.  May as well take him now..."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 29, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
Jays strike quickly against Cole.

Unbelievable.  Sox need Yanks in that one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on September 29, 2021, 10:05:48 PM
Six playing Russian Roulette to start the bottom of the 9th😀😀
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on September 29, 2021, 10:06:45 PM
Six playing Russian Roulette to start the bottom of the 9th😀😀
Sox stupid word thingy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on September 29, 2021, 10:10:36 PM
And the gun doesn't go off. Where has that Matt Barnes been??????
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 29, 2021, 10:20:14 PM
Evo with a nice bounce back start in Balmer.

Who knows this WC race in the AL might get interesting.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 29, 2021, 10:55:40 PM
And the gun doesn't go off. Where has that Matt Barnes been??????

Barnes lost the closer role.  But may yet get a chance....

Finished 6-0 - you were worried? 

Yanks
Red Sox -1
Blue Jays -2
Mariners -2 (loss column, with win)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 30, 2021, 10:34:58 AM
We really need to teach our athletes (and others) anger management.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/us/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-wall-punch-injury-spt/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 30, 2021, 11:54:33 AM
We really need to teach our athletes (and others) anger management.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/us/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-wall-punch-injury-spt/index.html

 Yeah!!

What about college professors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hut3VRL5XRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hut3VRL5XRE)



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 01:16:12 PM
We really need to teach our athletes (and others) anger management.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/us/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-wall-punch-injury-spt/index.html

2.50 ERA with 3 saves

Walks too many for my liking

His loss wont be consequential.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 30, 2021, 02:32:51 PM
We really need to teach our athletes (and others) anger management.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/29/us/brewers-pitcher-devin-williams-wall-punch-injury-spt/index.html

 Yeah!!

What about college professors?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hut3VRL5XRE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hut3VRL5XRE)

They qualify under "and others," yes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 03:24:01 PM
Sox harbored an anti-vaxxer?

https://sportsnaut.com/unvaccinated-boston-red-sox-coach-tom-goodwin-done-for-season/
Title: VOIT
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 07:28:24 PM
out of wild card game after being placed on 10 day DL

(unless DL is erased for playoffs, not sure)

Worst part is he injured himself running to first on a  dropped third strike when he couldn't be safe.  Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 08:15:41 PM
This is a real good Yankees-Jays game going on as R Ray has settled nicely.  1-1 top 4

Are Sox hitting the guy with the 7 ERA yet?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 09:27:52 PM
Erased my post asking if Jays bullpen would hold.  Didnt expect a  4 run Yankees barrage vs R Ray.

Wow!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on September 30, 2021, 09:52:58 PM
The Sox lineup is now trying to outsuck the pitching staff. Win-Win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on September 30, 2021, 09:55:17 PM
I'm so glad the Sox have the safety net of closing with the lowly Os and Nats to stop their plummet into the abyss.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 30, 2021, 11:45:33 PM
Give me a Sox guy to have a big weekend

Verdugo?  Kike?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 01, 2021, 07:23:37 AM
Congrats to the Braves on winning the NLE.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 01, 2021, 09:22:53 AM
Give me a Sox guy to have a big weekend

Verdugo?  Kike?

Never mind - couldnt get either player.  Need an outfielder to replace Nimmo for 3 (make it 2) days - holding on for dear life to a 7 RBI lead.  Nimmo has 2 in September I think.  Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2021, 12:22:05 PM
https://theathletic.com/2855137/2021/09/30/gammons-no-matter-what-happens-this-season-the-reset-red-sox-are-back-to-playing-the-long-game/?source=dailyemail&campaign=601983

Probably a pay site for this article. I pay and enjoyed the article.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 01, 2021, 04:12:36 PM
Those PHITIN' PHILS

https://www.facebook.com/groups/showcaseandcollegebaseball/permalink/1092487504854149/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 01, 2021, 09:32:04 PM
Give me a Sox guy to have a big weekend

Verdugo?  Kike?

Never mind - couldnt get either player.  Need an outfielder to replace Nimmo for 3 (make it 2) days - holding on for dear life to a 7 RBI lead.  Nimmo has 2 in September I think.  Heh.
heh

Never mind

2 HR night for Nimmo
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 01, 2021, 10:45:51 PM
Two exciting games, the Red Sox/Nationals and the Rays/Yankees.

They both had the winning run at the plate for the home team and both visitors got them out, within a minute of each other.

Seattle's game is now on the monitor.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 01, 2021, 10:50:49 PM
this has been an interesting WC race

I feel whiplashed everyday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 01, 2021, 11:05:17 PM
And all of this to play one game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 01, 2021, 11:20:14 PM
Maybe more....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2021, 01:29:16 AM
Seattle loses, tying them with the Blue Jays.

The Yankees are now guaranteed at least one more game - at worst, a tie for the 2nd spot with one or two other teams. Possibly a tie for 1st with 1, 2, or 3 other teams. At best, clear 1st place and a chance to either wait to see who is 2nd or knowing immediately.

Nobody else is guaranteed anything after their game 162.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2021, 09:13:47 AM
Mets announcers were amused as Robles was closing the game last night.  SoI flipped it on and found there was good reason

Escaped.  But going nowhere.  Where the hell is Bogaerts?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2021, 09:17:01 AM
Another Mets castoff, Chris Flexen, factors in today - for Seattle.

Have Sox settled on someone?  Houck, maybe?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 02, 2021, 11:09:25 AM
Kershaw hurt.

LA won't have him for the playoffs.

Giants fans dancing!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 02, 2021, 12:23:06 PM
LA still has plenty

I have them beating Giants
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2021, 02:51:39 PM
Quote
"Her diptheria, she's been here ten years now."

Closed captioning - the announcer said, "And Meredith, she's been here ten years now."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2021, 04:24:11 PM
Tampa has invaded the northeast, NYC appears ready to fall. We may lose the Bronx to the southern mob, as they batter Yankee forces but we need to hold the line at the coming Battle of the Bs in Foxboro Sunday night. We must remember in the face of pirates and savage  buccaneers ,we are all Patriots.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2021, 07:07:16 PM
Are balls and strikes worse than they used to be two or three years ago?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2021, 08:35:13 PM
Are balls and strikes worse than they used to be two or three years ago?

Thats a good question.

I remember WBW when umps had more predictable strikes zones, a strike was a strike and a ball a ball, I took my girl friend to the game. And I kissed her on the strikes and she kissed me on the balls. Great game.

Speaking of great games, Houck goes 5 perfect innings, Sox nurse a 1-run lead, until the shit lits the fan, but LSS, the bats explode in the 9th for 4 and a real good win.

Not dead yet. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2021, 08:38:50 PM
Are balls and strikes worse than they used to be two or three years ago?

Thats a good question.

I remember WBW when umps had more predictable strikes zones, a strike was a strike and a ball a ball, I took my girl friend to the game. And I kissed her on the strikes and she kissed me on the balls. Great game.

Speaking of great games, Houck goes 5 perfect innings, Sox nurse a 1-run lead, until the shit lits the fan, but LSS, the bats explode in the 9th for 4 and a real good win.

Not dead yet.

It was a great game.

I really wish Eck would stop saying things like "now we can breath" and the like.

And I wish we had a closer.

But, as you say, awinzawin.

My hope for tomorrow?

Red Sox win, Yankees lose, and Toronto and Seattle both win, with Seattle having won tonight, as well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 02, 2021, 09:17:24 PM
This WC race has been perplexing, aggravating, teeth gnashing, head scratching, kept me up past my bedtime on some nights but mostly a lot of fun. I too hope the Sox win and we get the triple tie scenario. Where the eventual WC survivor must face the Tampa buzz saw in the ALDS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2021, 10:36:44 PM
LA v San Fran still a thing as well

HUGE implications
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 02, 2021, 11:20:25 PM
I'd like to take a moment to wish Ken Singleton well in his retirement. I listened to a lot of his reminiscences during today's TB/NY game. Getting to take the time you want to play with grandkids is special.

He was a very good player and, I gather, as good an announcer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2021, 11:40:13 PM
My favorite Yankees guy, til Cone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2021, 12:56:45 AM
Seattle comes back in the bottom of the 8th after losing their lead in the top.

They hang on to win, to give them a relevant game 162!

A 4 way tie is still possible as are multiple 3 way ties. Or no meaningful tie at all. (RS/Yanks would be a tie without significance.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 03, 2021, 08:45:27 AM
So we need Boston and NY to lose, and Seattle and Toronto to win for maximum chaos?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 08:51:40 AM
So we need Boston and NY to lose, and Seattle and Toronto to win for maximum chaos?

The best. Then ultimately have Toronto and Milwaukee in the WS.

Then watch the Commissioner order more changes to the game to "spice it up fro the next generation".

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2021, 10:29:51 AM
So we need Boston and NY to lose, and Seattle and Toronto to win for maximum chaos?

Actually, that is less messy than if either only one of Bos/NY loses while Sea/Tor win or both NY and Bos lose and one of Sea/Tor wins.

If we get the four way tie, then there are two games on Monday and the results are finished.

If we get a 3-way, either for the top spot or the 2nd spot, then it will take two games on consecutive days, with the AL Wild Card game pushed back a day!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 02:30:24 PM
So we need Boston and NY to lose, and Seattle and Toronto to win for maximum chaos?

LETS GO!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 02:30:55 PM
Why isnt Quantril starting today?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 03:51:01 PM
Shohei gets RBI 100 - first inning HR

Seattle in trouble - down 4-zip
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 05:29:46 PM
Did Sale get hurt?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 06:34:05 PM
From Todd Zolecki at MLB.com on Bryce Harper:

He finished the season slashing .309/.429/.615 with 42 doubles, one triple, 35 home runs, 84 RBIs, 101 runs, 100 walks, 13 stolen bases and a 1.044 OPS. He is the fourth outfielder in baseball history to have at least 100 runs, 100 walks, 40 doubles and 35 home runs in a season, joining Babe Ruth (1921, 1923), Stan Musial (1949) and Barry Bonds (1998).

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 06:57:14 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHATAFUCKINGWIN!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 07:30:03 PM
Joey scrapes by

See ya Tuesday
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 03, 2021, 07:42:51 PM
Joey took a team that was predicted as an 81-win team, work in progress, not ready for the post-season rebuilding team and got them to the year-end invitation only party.

He did ok.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2021, 08:43:40 PM
Between the anti-Cora voice of The Kid and the misanthropic tones of Hamilton, you would think that Eeyore and Marvin the Paranoid Android were posting instead of humans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 03, 2021, 08:49:22 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

WHATAFUCKINGWIN!

It was amazing.

The Yankees game was also amazing.

But the Red Sox finished much the way their season went - come from behind, again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 03, 2021, 09:06:10 PM
Yankees game was a better game.
Sox? They played the Nats.

Please. Calm yourselves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 09:44:10 PM
Joey took a team that was predicted as an 81-win team, work in progress, not ready for the post-season rebuilding team and got them to the year-end invitation only party.

He did ok.

Speaking of OVERS, this guy hit it way out of the park


https://www.vegasinsider.com/mlb/odds/win-totals/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2021, 10:02:01 PM
From Todd Zolecki at MLB.com on Bryce Harper:

He finished the season slashing .309/.429/.615 with 42 doubles, one triple, 35 home runs, 84 RBIs, 101 runs, 100 walks, 13 stolen bases and a 1.044 OPS. He is the fourth outfielder in baseball history to have at least 100 runs, 100 walks, 40 doubles and 35 home runs in a season, joining Babe Ruth (1921, 1923), Stan Musial (1949) and Barry Bonds (1998).

Great numbers - thanks

Sucks he didnt show up 3 games vs Braves, though Phils werent winning the division anyway
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 09:36:53 AM
Between the anti-Cora voice of The Kid and the misanthropic tones of Hamilton, you would think that Eeyore and Marvin the Paranoid Android were posting instead of humans.

Happy to see class acts like Bogearts and JD Martinez make the post.  And the kid VERDUGO, the only way to stomach losing Betts, come up big in key spot.

Future bright?  Not so sure - but Boston has the NOW.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 04, 2021, 09:43:43 AM
That's an excellent team and one built in such a way as to be far more likely to win a one game winner-take-all as their upcoming opponent in that one game.

While the Yankees advantage seems to be Cole, he's been oddly inconsistent the last month.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 04, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Between the anti-Cora voice of The Kid and the misanthropic tones of Hamilton, you would think that Eeyore and Marvin the Paranoid Android were posting instead of humans.

Happy to see class acts like Bogearts and JD Martinez make the post.  And the kid VERDUGO, the only way to stomach losing Betts, come up big in key spot.

Future bright?  Not so sure - but Boston has the NOW.

Can't know if Dalbec will be the 2nd half player with .955 OPS or the 1st half with .673; if Schwarber will be 2021 more than 2015-2020; or if Nick Pivetta of Boston will continue to pitch a full run below Pivetta of Philly; but there is good reason to think Boston's future is brighter than the present.

But the present ain't half bad!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 10:26:12 AM
That is an excellent team and one built in such a way as to be far more likely to win a one game winner-take all as their upcoming opponent in that one game.


Uhh........what?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 04, 2021, 10:29:37 AM
Figure it out.  You know things.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 10:30:32 AM
Nice poll

How do you vote?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 10:32:56 AM
So...

Messrs Houck and Whitlock show quite well down the stretch.  Nice to see. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 04, 2021, 10:33:32 AM
Red Sox and Dodgers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 10:48:39 AM
500 money line Red Sox

1000 money line Dodgers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 04, 2021, 10:50:45 AM
And the kid VERDUGO, the only way to stomach losing Betts, come up big in key spot.


Apologies to K Hernandez, who has had himself a fine season and is a key versatile glue player every winning team needs.

Get it done, Alex.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 04, 2021, 11:00:38 AM
The poll doesn't work.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 04, 2021, 12:47:05 PM
BOS over NY

STL over  LAD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 04, 2021, 02:02:48 PM
Nice poll

How do you vote?

Click in the right box, now that I have unlocked the voting.

(Oops)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 09:39:24 AM
MLB.co "experts" picks

8-2 in favor of Dodgers
7-3 in favor of Yanks

https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-mlb-playoff-expert-predictions
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 10:19:48 AM
I expect a walk-off win for the RSN, tonight.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 10:51:14 AM
It is in G Cole's hands, I believe

I would like to see more off speed stuff - for Cole to pitch a little backwards - and not just vs JD, Xander and Devers

2 outs into the seventh (6 2/3+) with 2 runs or less - or Yanks lose.

Pulling for the guy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 10:51:35 AM
MLB.co "experts" picks

8-2 in favor of Dodgers
7-3 in favor of Yanks

https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-mlb-playoff-expert-predictions

They also predicted that Houston would win the WS in 2018 and that NY would beat Boston in the ALDS. Oh, and the Dodgers would not make it to the World Series.

Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 10:52:52 AM
All ten of them?

You're such a fool.  I was simply lining them up as our tallies were being recorded - for comparison.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 10:55:59 AM
https://www.numberfire.com/mlb/games/2021-10-05

Numberfire gives the Red Sox a 52% chance of winning, while the Dodgers get a 61% chance.

But most folks around are giving the Yankees the nod.

I' chose Sox and Dodgers, above, before seeing this link, but after looking at bunches of other.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 10:58:04 AM
All ten of them?

You're such a fool.  I was simply lining them up as our tallies were being recorded - for comparison.

No, not all ten of them. Couldn't find the full slate.

I was simply sharing my reaction to their prediction. Why you think that makes me a fool is beyond me. Must be more foolishness in your eyes. I can cope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 05, 2021, 12:06:35 PM
MLB.co "experts" picks

8-2 in favor of Dodgers
7-3 in favor of Yanks

https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-mlb-playoff-expert-predictions

They also predicted that Houston would win the WS in 2018 and that NY would beat Boston in the ALDS. Oh, and the Dodgers would not make it to the World Series.

Thanks for the link.
Do you have any links to articles picking the Yankees in the 2018 ALDS? The Red Sox were pretty solid favorites, they won 8 more games than the Yankees that season and the Yankees ace, (such as it was) wasn't going to pitch until Game 3 of that series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 01:40:05 PM
Some very good news yesterday

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32338880/new-york-mets-move-manager-luis-rojas-third-place-finish
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 01:44:01 PM
16-1 on Red Sox to win the World Series

Cards are only bigger payout - at 20-1.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 04:32:16 PM
It is in G Cole's hands, I believe

I would like to see more off speed stuff - for Cole to pitch a little backwards - and not just vs JD, Xander and Devers

2 outs into the seventh (6 2/3+) with 2 runs or less - or Yanks lose.

Pulling for the guy.

Cole has yet to show the stones to warrant your faith in him.

I think Fenway makes a difference, here. And I wouldn't be surprised if it goes to extra innings, before the Sox walk it off.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 05:28:16 PM
It is in G Cole's hands, I believe

I would like to see more off speed stuff - for Cole to pitch a little backwards - and not just vs JD, Xander and Devers

2 outs into the seventh (6 2/3+) with 2 runs or less - or Yanks lose.

Pulling for the guy.

Cole has yet to show the stones to warrant your faith in him.


Faith?  I picked Boston
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 07:45:12 PM
No JD Martinez tonight

3rd catcher Connor Wong active

Extra left hander Josh Taylor....

Tanner Houck (53 pitches Saturday) available.  Sale not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 07:47:57 PM
Schwarber leading off

RIZZO too (whattttt???)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 05, 2021, 07:55:41 PM
Rizzo did a good amount of leading off for the Cubs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 08:11:46 PM
Velasquez in.  Nice.  Flash that leather tonight, young man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 08:15:52 PM
"If not for Ohtani and Guererro, Judge is your AL MVP"

- A-Rod


Come ahnnnnn, bro.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 08:29:57 PM
Lotta happy drinks in Boston, right now.

Almost like he knew what pitch was coming.

Hmmm....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 08:34:32 PM
A-Rod had just finished relating what a smart walk it was to Devers

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 08:39:09 PM
MLB.co "experts" picks

8-2 in favor of Dodgers
7-3 in favor of Yanks

https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-mlb-playoff-expert-predictions

They also predicted that Houston would win the WS in 2018 and that NY would beat Boston in the ALDS. Oh, and the Dodgers would not make it to the World Series.

Thanks for the link.
Do you have any links to articles picking the Yankees in the 2018 ALDS? The Red Sox were pretty solid favorites, they won 8 more games than the Yankees that season and the Yankees ace, (such as it was) wasn't going to pitch until Game 3 of that series.

Toyota.

https://www.mlb.com/video/mlb-central-playoff-predictions-c2513796483
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 08:43:06 PM
Switching to Knicks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 05, 2021, 08:46:40 PM
MLB.co "experts" picks

8-2 in favor of Dodgers
7-3 in favor of Yanks

https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-mlb-playoff-expert-predictions

They also predicted that Houston would win the WS in 2018 and that NY would beat Boston in the ALDS. Oh, and the Dodgers would not make it to the World Series.

Thanks for the link.
Do you have any links to articles picking the Yankees in the 2018 ALDS? The Red Sox were pretty solid favorites, they won 8 more games than the Yankees that season and the Yankees ace, (such as it was) wasn't going to pitch until Game 3 of that series.

Toyota.

https://www.mlb.com/video/mlb-central-playoff-predictions-c2513796483
DeRosa? One guy hardly makes a "they" (gender fluidity pronoun revisions aside).  As I said the Red Sox were pretty substantial favorites over the Yankees in 2018 and turning that team into a "little engine that could" to make a point about this season's predictions makes no sense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 08:59:28 PM
MLB.co "experts" picks

8-2 in favor of Dodgers
7-3 in favor of Yanks

https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-mlb-playoff-expert-predictions

They also predicted that Houston would win the WS in 2018 and that NY would beat Boston in the ALDS. Oh, and the Dodgers would not make it to the World Series.

Thanks for the link.
Do you have any links to articles picking the Yankees in the 2018 ALDS? The Red Sox were pretty solid favorites, they won 8 more games than the Yankees that season and the Yankees ace, (such as it was) wasn't going to pitch until Game 3 of that series.

Toyota.

https://www.mlb.com/video/mlb-central-playoff-predictions-c2513796483
DeRosa? One guy hardly makes a "they" (gender fluidity pronoun revisions aside).  As I said the Red Sox were pretty substantial favorites over the Yankees in 2018 and turning that team into a "little engine that could" to make a point about this season's predictions makes no sense.

There were two, Yank, not one. They happened to agree.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 09:00:15 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10013654-106-win-wild-card-dodgers-should-be-final-straw-for-mlbs-broken-playoff-format
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 09:02:37 PM
2018 Yankees won 100 games

They had won 6 of 8 entering ALDS

Red Sox had lost 7 of 11
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 09:06:51 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10013654-106-win-wild-card-dodgers-should-be-final-straw-for-mlbs-broken-playoff-format

Chris Russo has made this point for years.

It's all part of the inconsistent nature of MLB.

Teams are playing in the wrong division, two sets of rules depending on which league you play in, etc.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 09:08:59 PM
Tonight, Cole's fastball lacks movement.
And accuracy.

He's gone.

Pulled a Kershaw.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 09:15:46 PM
Here's a drinking game my brother and I play when watching games played in Fenway.

Every time you see a minority in the stands, you drink.

So, far we've each had one drink.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 09:17:53 PM
Oh? Disgruntled Black Y-Fan just shown.

2nd drink.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 09:29:40 PM
Who is first up after Nate?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 09:43:22 PM
When does the pitcher come up?

Oh, right...

This isn't baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 09:54:02 PM
Who is first up after Nate?

Depends on where they are in the game, I think.

Sawamura, Whitlock, and Taylor are possibilities. I think we won't see Matt Barnes until later in the game. Ditto Ottavino.

If the game is tight and it has gone smoothly into the 6th or 7th, I don't expect Garrett Richards. Robles may well make an appearance in the 9th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 09:57:37 PM
Rizzo stirs the beast. Cubs fans are crying some more.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 09:59:29 PM
Over-managing?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 10:01:53 PM
Yeah

1 bad pitch
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 10:05:00 PM
Why send Judge? You had 2nd and 3rd with one out?

Now 2 outs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 10:19:24 PM
VERDUGO!!!!

He ain't no Benintendi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 10:20:33 PM
So that 3rd strike that was called a ball and resulted in a walk leads to a run.

Shame.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 10:31:31 PM
A-Rod still doesnt know that if Nevin held Judge its FIRST and third, not second and third

And this after seeing a great replay of Stanton holding up after rounding first.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 10:34:19 PM
A-Rod still doesnt know that if Nevin held Judge its FIRST and third, not second and third

And this after seeing a great replay of Stanton holding up after rounding first.

Yes, first and third. You're right. But on the road, down runs, you don't send Judge.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 10:37:40 PM
So that 3rd strike that was called a ball and resulted in a walk leads to a run.

Shame.

Not the first time that has happened.

And the balls and strikes suck.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 10:44:17 PM
So that 3rd strike that was called a ball and resulted in a walk leads to a run.

Shame.

Not the first time that has happened.

And the balls and strikes suck.

Two blown check swings by the first base ump, too.

But...credit the RS pitchers. They're not nibbling.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 10:54:32 PM
How much do they pay Cole, btw?

And if the Ys lose, does Boone retire or get fired?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 11:03:43 PM
6 more outs.

Tampa Bay waits.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 11:09:44 PM
A-Rod still doesnt know that if Nevin held Judge its FIRST and third, not second and third

And this after seeing a great replay of Stanton holding up after rounding first.

Yes, first and third. You're right. But on the road, down runs, you don't send Judge.

Oh, I totally agree

But fuck, man - Stanton got a total pass for TWICE trotting after a long drive.  Fuck that guy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 11:11:01 PM
3 more outs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 11:13:06 PM
Robles with the dick move quick pitch

Now Mr Rizzo (Alex - get off his dick already) did have the solo HR for the one run but I think the key at bat was in the first inning.

Can you recall what occurred?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 11:14:20 PM
Still only 2 drinks.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 11:18:13 PM
Will Sox wear those piss yellow unis in Tampa?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 11:23:45 PM
The Yankees are not quitting.

We'll see what this rookie is made of.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 11:24:31 PM
Let's go Rays!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 05, 2021, 11:24:58 PM
And the balls and strikes are as bad at the end as at the beginning.

But the Red Sox win!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 11:33:46 PM
Fucking glorious!

Like Christmas in July.

I didn't like pulling Evo but Joey (heh) managed a helluva game.

Good game Joey!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 05, 2021, 11:37:02 PM
Fucking glorious!

Like Christmas in July.

I didn't like pulling Evo but Joey (heh) managed a helluva game.

Good game Joey!

Out of hiding?
 

Frontrunner.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 11:38:29 PM
Will Sox wear those piss yellow unis in Tampa?

Maybe they'll wear the Philles unis.

Once the shit stains are washed out.

Sox seem open to try new fashion ideas and IIRC the last time Philly unis were worn in a post-season series in Tampa things worked out ok.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 11:39:46 PM
Fucking glorious!

Like Christmas in July.

I didn't like pulling Evo but Joey (heh) managed a helluva game.

Good game Joey!

Out of hiding?
 

Frontrunner.

Projecting much?

LMAO

I post whether the Sox win or lose.

As I believe you posted here not that long ago.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 05, 2021, 11:47:27 PM
Condolences kid

I understand as a first year brand new Yankee fan you had high hopes and your heart is broken.

It will mend.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 05, 2021, 11:50:30 PM
I like being right.  I hate that the game sucked.  Maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 12:04:02 AM
We all like being right.

it helps however to actually be correct from time to time.

Don't worry the ability to reason and think critically comes with time.

And it might come for you. 

And kid its ok to admit when we're wrong.

You'll understand that as you grow up too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 12:29:56 AM
I think that is six in a row now between football and baseball game picks. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 12:40:06 AM
Amazingly enough, the Red Sox have now won 8 of the last 9 playoff games vs. the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 06, 2021, 07:51:33 AM
I like being right.  I hate that the game sucked.  Maybe tomorrow.

Yeah, it was a shitty game. I really can't stand watching AL games, and their mindlessness. But, now we get to see baseball, tonight. Scherzer v Wainwright. LGC!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 09:41:39 AM
2 All time greats tonight.

15 years since Wainwright K'd Beltran - wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 10:43:41 AM
Besides the poor umping, what made it a shitty game?

It wasn't an all time classic, by any means, but it was a close game through 6 and a half innings. And having watched the Yankees hang a 4 spot on the Sox in late innings more than once in the 2nd half of the season to overcome deficits, it is not as if the Yankees were out of it.

The announcers kept discussing the bullpen as Boston's weak spot.

It turned out not to be as easily exploited as they suggested it might be, but that doesn't make it a shitty game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 11:00:37 AM
Well pitched games from just one side can be...

Shitty.

In terms of competitiveness.

Better Nevin decision changes things?  Maybe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 11:02:44 AM
By the way the more I think of it the more I wonder about Judges path on that play and if this was a case of player making coach look bad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 11:26:54 AM
I also wonder if Gallo being up next was part of Nevin's thought process.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 11:48:57 AM
Besides the poor umping, what made it a shitty game?

It wasn't an all time classic, by any means, but it was a close game through 6 and a half innings. And having watched the Yankees hang a 4 spot on the Sox in late innings more than once in the 2nd half of the season to overcome deficits, it is not as if the Yankees were out of it.

The announcers kept discussing the bullpen as Boston's weak spot.

It turned out not to be as easily exploited as they suggested it might be, but that doesn't make it a shitty game.

That home plate ump was brutal early on with a strike zone seemingly determined by whim or coin flip.

Now as to it being a shitty game, that's just sour grapes whining.

Was it a classic? No.

But it was a 3-1 game in the 6th that had the good starting pitching (Evo) a CY candidate getting knocked around, and long-balls (X,  Schwarber and Stanton) and the Ys turning some double plays to keep it close and a memorable play at the plate.

We had the possibility of a classic 2nd guess on Cora pulling Evo.

And i haven't seen this elsewhere, but Boone pulled a Torre circa '03 last night. When he pulled Cole in the 3rd it brought to mind Joe T pulling  Roger in G7 ALCS when Roger didn't have it and after giving up another HR (4-0 Sox) Joe brought in Mussina to get out of a Roger jam. And in both cases '21 and '03) disaster averted with a K and double-play. Mussina's 3-inning work in that game probably saved the day until, ironically Boone took Wakefield deep, which ironically led him to manage the Yankees.

IMO last night had the stage, history, drama and enough good baseball with a 2nd guessing to make for a pretty entertaining night of baseball.

my 2 scents

Edit I watched ESPN but listened to EEI's radio call (Castig and McDonough-they do a great job are sound like baseball). The idiocy of sitting through AROD and ESPN's pre-planned narratives was not going to fuck-up my night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 12:21:00 PM
I probably should have done the same wrt radio and ESPN.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 12:35:11 PM
I also wonder if Gallo being up next was part of Nevin's thought process.

I heard this earlier on a FaceBook page

It's utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 12:49:39 PM
I also wonder if Gallo being up next was part of Nevin's thought process.

I heard this earlier on a FaceBook page

It's utter nonsense.

Kid, the mind-reader, hard at work.

Don't utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 01:11:40 PM
If Judge reads the hit and cuts the bases like Bogaerts he likely scores.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 01:17:53 PM
If Judge reads the hit and cuts the bases like Bogaerts he likely scores.
Always the contrarian, Kid knows things.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 01:48:20 PM
If Judge reads the hit and cuts the bases like Bogaerts he likely scores.
Always the contrarian, Kid knows things.
kid does hot takes real well,, not so much on  facts.
Speaking of alternate universes if you haven't heard Sterling's 1st inning HR call-a "Stantonian" blast. Do yourself a favor, it's great listening.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 01:49:54 PM
I DO know things, Yankguy.  And I know what to look for.  Alex Rodriguez is stealing a check - and Vazgergian is allowing it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 01:57:55 PM
We all know things.  But most of us know enough not to confuse opinion with fact.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 01:58:06 PM
I DO know things, Yankguy.  And I know what to look for.  Alex Rodriguez is stealing a check - and Vazgergian is allowing it.

I would bet that ESPN has run the numbers and that more people tune in because of ARod than tune out.

And he is less inane than many a sportscaster, for all that I readily grant he is inane.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 02:09:47 PM
That home plate ump was brutal early on with a strike zone seemingly determined by whim or coin flip.


Casual fans often thrown off by the TV box.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 02:11:35 PM
We all know things.  But most of us know enough not to confuse opinion with fact.

It is not OPINION that if Nevin holds Judge then Stanton is not on second base.  He simply isn't (visual evidence on the replay, which ESPN showed no less than THREE times).  Someone should clue in Rodriguez - and you as well, evidently.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 02:12:46 PM
We all know things.  But most of us know enough not to confuse opinion with fact.

It is not OPINION that if Nevin holds Judge then Stanton is not on second base.  He simply isn't.  Someone should clue in Rodriguez - and you as well, evidently.
That's not what I was referring to.  The FACT is that I've long known I know as much baseball as you  do, but don't presume to know what goes on in a third-base coach's head.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 02:16:33 PM
That home plate ump was brutal early on with a strike zone seemingly determined by whim or coin flip.


Casual fans often thrown off by the TV box.

But the report on that ump's "strike" zone aligned with his calling strikes on things well outside the TV box as being questionable.

Casual commenters here are often thrown off by their need to defend the indefensible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 02:27:21 PM
Shhh.....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 02:29:52 PM
That home plate ump was brutal early on with a strike zone seemingly determined by whim or coin flip.


Casual fans often thrown off by the TV box.
I don't know the commentary on ESPN last night, but I saw the many replays of strikes outside box which ESPN chose to show and heard the home plate ump getting skewered on 'EEI for bad calls for both teams t I know the home plate ump had a very inconsistent zone last night. So kid  drop your know it all bullshit as most here know you are a hot take moron.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 02:34:20 PM
The one thing A-Rod did allude to that was right is that umps have different - and unique zones - Alex citing how this particular guy would not call the high pitch on the inner corner to a lefty but WOULD call it on the outer corner.  Showed he did some homework.

Now if he calls the same pitch in the same location 2 different things in the same inning - you got him.

Maybe this was a B- game for the HP.  But I'd be surprised - as these assignments are doled out on efficiency.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 02:46:06 PM
Good Mets piece

https://www.espn.com/espn/print?id=32344914
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 02:50:21 PM
The one thing A-Rod did allude to that was right is that umps have different - and unique zones - Alex citing how this particular guy would not call the high pitch on the inner corner to a lefty but WOULD call it on the outer corner.  Showed he did some homework.

Now if he calls the same pitch in the same location 2 different things in the same inning - you got him.

Maybe this was a B- game for the HP.  But I'd be surprised - as these assignments are doled out on efficiency.

Be surprised, Kid.

https://twitter.com/UmpScorecards/status/1445758279246778375?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Some of his "strikes" were more than a baseball's diameter outside the strike zone. He missed high, he missed low, he missed left, and he missed right. He missed down and left more than up or right.

But he missed.

It's not a matter of "casual" fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 03:28:08 PM
You are going by the box, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 06, 2021, 03:58:59 PM
Stanton could've played OF and Sanchez DH.

Some wonder why that wasn't the case, last night. Then again, Y pitching gave up 7 BBs.

Sox, a usually free swinging team, looked very patient at the plate. They seemed to be sitting on some pitchers' pitches more than others.

Boone Watch started, yet?


Hopefully, tonight's game will be a better one to watch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 04:18:41 PM
I think the marginal chance of Sanchez' maybe running into a pitch wasn't worth the gamble of an OF of Stanton, Judge and Rizzo.

I don't expect Boone to be back, but this year's team was Cashman's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 05:26:54 PM
I think the marginal chance of Sanchez' maybe running into a pitch wasn't worth the gamble of an OF of Stanton, Judge and Rizzo.

I don't expect Boone to be back, but this year's team was Cashman's.

Best O-line in the AL East.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 06, 2021, 05:37:53 PM
I think the marginal chance of Sanchez' maybe running into a pitch wasn't worth the gamble of an OF of Stanton, Judge and Rizzo.

I don't expect Boone to be back, but this year's team was Cashman's.

I thought Sanchez had good numbers vs Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 05:47:57 PM
You are going by the box, right?

I take it that you did not actually watch the game, then?

They showed us where that umpire has called his strikes all year long, Kid.

It showed us exactly the kinds of strikes he blew last night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 05:51:32 PM
I think the marginal chance of Sanchez' maybe running into a pitch wasn't worth the gamble of an OF of Stanton, Judge and Rizzo.

I don't expect Boone to be back, but this year's team was Cashman's.

I thought Sanchez had good numbers vs Sox.
Not this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 05:59:31 PM
Sanchez is under the Mendoza line this year. When he connects he can hit the ball 480' but he's been in a decline for a couple of years

I'd be surprised if the Ys go out of their way to sign him when he becomes a FA after next year.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 06:00:54 PM
Catcher is on the top of their off season list
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 06, 2021, 06:11:51 PM
he's got a good arm but he can't catch for shit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 06:25:38 PM
Five of us thought Red Sox, one Yankees.

Three thought Dodgers, three thought Cards - a much more even split, even though the Dodgers had the far superior record.

I am going to be setting up the ALDS polls here shortly and the NLDS up one level (Baseball) after tonight's game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 07:10:53 PM
Five of us thought Red Sox, one Yankees.


Dont be embarrassed, YG
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 06, 2021, 07:17:38 PM
Five of us thought Red Sox, one Yankees.


Dont be embarrassed, YG
:-X
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 06, 2021, 07:31:53 PM
Five of us thought Red Sox, one Yankees.


Dont be embarrassed, YG
Hey, dummy.  I picked the Red Sox.  And when I explained why you found it stupid.

Serious questions:  Have you received an education?  Was reading part of that education? 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 08:23:21 PM
Dodgers do not look sharp so far!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2021, 08:26:48 PM
Dodgers do not look sharp so far!

Then again, neither do the Cards.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 08:37:18 PM
Red Sox and Dodgers.

My bad - must have skipped right over it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 09:09:34 PM
Dodgers do not look sharp so far!

Must be that thing that YG says - about not being built for one game

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2021, 09:17:29 PM
Much more enjoyable tonight - minus the stupid ass strike box.  Thanks TBS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 06, 2021, 11:00:17 PM
Refreshing watching REAL BASEBALL, tonight, as opposed to a modified version of it, last night.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 12:32:52 AM
Quite the ending!

Dodgers go on to the next level - Giants vs. Dodgers, the rivalry finally getting to be head to head in the post-season!
Title: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 12:37:08 AM
The message cannot be empty when I do this. So, now it is not empty.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2021, 01:12:32 AM
Quite the ending!

Dodgers go on to the next level - Giants vs. Dodgers, the rivalry finally getting to be head to head in the post-season!
Sort of with an *

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 01:25:34 AM
Tonight I learned that the way they have played the entire season is not the way the post-season is to be played!

No more 'each extra inning starts with a man on 2nd base' crap.

I prefer it that way, but sure think having the playoffs under different rules is weird.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 01:25:56 AM
Quite the ending!

Dodgers go on to the next level - Giants vs. Dodgers, the rivalry finally getting to be head to head in the post-season!
Sort of with an *

Why?

Did I miss something?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2021, 01:28:14 AM
Quite the ending!

Dodgers go on to the next level - Giants vs. Dodgers, the rivalry finally getting to be head to head in the post-season!
Sort of with an *

Why?

Did I miss something?
yes and no. Check out 1962.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 02:29:05 AM
Quite the ending!

Dodgers go on to the next level - Giants vs. Dodgers, the rivalry finally getting to be head to head in the post-season!
Sort of with an *

Why?

Did I miss something?
yes and no. Check out 1962.

Right. Regular season games 163-165.

*
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 07, 2021, 04:06:33 AM
Too bad the Cardinals didn't have Jack Clark tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 07, 2021, 08:05:17 AM
Hate the Dodgers, but that was a great baseball game, last night.

NL baseball is so much more entertaining!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2021, 08:35:29 AM
Hate the Dodgers, but that was a great baseball game, last night.

NL baseball is so much more entertaining!!
Yes, because there is nothing so exciting as watching a pitcher bat, except maybe the staggering managerial genius and sublime beauty of a well executed double switch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 09:26:52 AM
Hate the Dodgers, but that was a great baseball game, last night.

NL baseball is so much more entertaining!!
Yes, because there is nothing so exciting as watching a pitcher bat, except maybe the staggering managerial genius and sublime beauty of a well executed double switch.

Both pitchers got a sac bunt down last night.  Either could have led to a hugely important run.

Amazing stat on Scherzer though

0 for 59 with 3 sac bunts and a sac fly for the year.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2021, 10:52:40 AM
Hate the Dodgers, but that was a great baseball game, last night.

NL baseball is so much more entertaining!!
Yes, because there is nothing so exciting as watching a pitcher bat, except maybe the staggering managerial genius and sublime beauty of a well executed double switch.

Both pitchers got a sac bunt down last night.  Either could have led to a hugely important run.

Amazing stat on Scherzer though

0 for 59 with 3 sac bunts and a sac fly for the year.
So, three sac bunts and 60 times he flailed pathetically at the plate, including one instance where thanks to the law of averages he hit the ball hard enough to get it to the outfield? Excitement!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 11:07:55 AM
Hate the Dodgers, but that was a great baseball game, last night.

NL baseball is so much more entertaining!!
Yes, because there is nothing so exciting as watching a pitcher bat, except maybe the staggering managerial genius and sublime beauty of a well executed double switch.

Both pitchers got a sac bunt down last night.  Either could have led to a hugely important run.

Amazing stat on Scherzer though

0 for 59 with 3 sac bunts and a sac fly for the year.

This year is an anomaly for him - he used to be an above average hitter as pitchers go. He was no Max Fried, but you still had to pitch to him.

He's among the NL pitchers on record as not objecting to the switch to DH for their league.

I imagine the purists are just going to be stuck watching reruns.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 11:25:52 AM
I imagine the purists will adapt.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2021, 12:12:32 PM
Hate the Dodgers, but that was a great baseball game, last night.

NL baseball is so much more entertaining!!
Yes, because there is nothing so exciting as watching a pitcher bat, except maybe the staggering managerial genius and sublime beauty of a well executed double switch.

Both pitchers got a sac bunt down last night.  Either could have led to a hugely important run.

Amazing stat on Scherzer though

0 for 59 with 3 sac bunts and a sac fly for the year.

This year is an anomaly for him - he used to be an above average hitter as pitchers go. He was no Max Fried, but you still had to pitch to him.

He's among the NL pitchers on record as not objecting to the switch to DH for their league.

I imagine the purists are just going to be stuck watching reruns.
They can go find a league that doesn't use the DH. If there is one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2021, 12:21:29 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tv-ratings-tuesday-oct-5-2021-1235026752/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tv-ratings-tuesday-oct-5-2021-1235026752/)


ESPN (7.12 million) and ESPN2 (573,000) combined for 7.69 million viewers for the AL wild card game, the most for any wild card matchup since 2015. It was also the biggest audience for a wild card game on ESPN since 1998 and was up 67 percent from the last time ESPN and ESPN2 had the AL wild card in 2019 (4.54 million).

I guess marketing Bucky F Dent nostalgia over rode the glaring omission of pitchers striking out or the intricate beauty of the double switch and goosed WC ratings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 12:52:17 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tv-ratings-tuesday-oct-5-2021-1235026752/ (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/tv-ratings-tuesday-oct-5-2021-1235026752/)


ESPN (7.12 million) and ESPN2 (573,000) combined for 7.69 million viewers for the AL wild card game, the most for any wild card matchup since 2015. It was also the biggest audience for a wild card game on ESPN since 1998 and was up 67 percent from the last time ESPN and ESPN2 had the AL wild card in 2019 (4.54 million).

I guess marketing Bucky F Dent nostalgia over rode the glaring omission of pitchers striking out or the intricate beauty of the double switch and goosed WC ratings.

It's that Boston fatigue factor we've heard so much about.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 12:53:41 PM
Don't forget to vote in the NLDS poll:
http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?topic=202.0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 01:21:37 PM
You won't have to worry about Vasgersian allowing ARod to get away with crap after this season.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2021/10/06/espn-matt-vasgersian-leaving-sunday-night-baseball
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 01:22:40 PM
https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/alex-rodriguez-arod-espn-al-wild-card-yankees-red-sox-call-reaction-mistakes?csp=trueanthem&utm_campaign=trueAnthem%3A%20Trending%20Content&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR37hF7G3olhyhAT9KDgGgu1Zvk7C-ADitDyzIf3MyzGi_kE7k2rdBmnYWA
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 07, 2021, 02:11:45 PM
Hate the Dodgers, but that was a great baseball game, last night.

NL baseball is so much more entertaining!!
Yes, because there is nothing so exciting as watching a pitcher bat, except maybe the staggering managerial genius and sublime beauty of a well executed double switch.

Sad you know so little.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 03:42:39 PM
Certainly don't know/appreciate strategy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2021, 04:08:04 PM
Certainly don't know/appreciate strategy
An 8 year old can figure out the strategy of a pitcher's at bat. Hell, Mayo Smith could do it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2021, 04:14:31 PM
Though to be fair, Charlie Manuel once had C. C. Sabathia swing away on a 3 - 0 count with one out and the bases loaded in Pittsburgh, telling reporters afterwards, "You were thinking double play. I was thinking 'river'." The press was correct.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2021, 05:02:09 PM
Given analytics growing role in managerial decisions, and how to approach the game and the game inside the game (match-ups, or how to deal with the 3 batter rule) has negated the purists objection to the DH as a serious argument. With starters going 3 or 4 innings being more common and openers being used more and more, analytics in all of baseball and strategic decisions regarding when to pull the starting pitcher dwarfs the dh role in the game.

And kid, the last defender of Grady's gaffe, arguably the dumbest managerial fuck-up ever, lecturing about not understanding strategy is pretty fucking funny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 05:02:16 PM
It was cool seeing Dave Roberts let Pujols swing 3-0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 05:14:52 PM
It was cool seeing Dave Roberts let Pujols swing 3-0

It was cool seeing Pujols at all, but that is not the pitcher I would have brought him in to face, given my druthers and Pujols' record. He'd have been no worse off with the original pinch hitter announced.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 05:21:10 PM
That's not really the issue for me but you could expand in the thought and I will listen

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2021, 05:45:12 PM
Given analytics growing role in managerial decisions, and how to approach the game and the game inside the game (match-ups, or how to deal with the 3 batter rule) has negated the purists objection to the DH as a serious argument. With starters going 3 or 4 innings being more common and openers being used more and more, analytics in all of baseball and strategic decisions regarding when to pull the starting pitcher dwarfs the dh role in the game.

And kid, the last defender of Grady's gaffe, arguably the dumbest managerial fuck-up ever, lecturing about not understanding strategy is pretty fucking funny.
The game evolves. The rules evolve. And after the new CBA, Forrest will need to move to a city with a team in Japan's Central League to watch what he considers real baseball because they will be the only league without the DH. Or he could just sit on a rocking chair boring local kids with rants about how much better things were in the old days when pitchers batted, you could make racist comments without getting called out and you could throw snowballs at Santa with impunity.  Now get off my lawn!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 06:19:59 PM
That's not really the issue for me but you could expand in the thought and I will listen

I understand your issue - didn't mean to blow it off so much as had nothing much to say about it. If you have confidence in his judgment, then you let him do it.

Cora lets all of his players make their own decisions - I think he's nuts, but he sure does seem to get results overall, so maybe his path is just right?
-------------

For all that Pujols is... Pujols, he was 0-4 against McFarland. A better hitter against lefties, but honestly, the mistake was putting Lux up to start with.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 06:46:10 PM
So you wanted Pujols vs Gallegos?  That's cool.  I have to search a little, see if I can find an article re Schildt decision
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 06:51:42 PM
So you wanted Pujols vs Gallegos?  That's cool.  I have to search a little, see if I can find an article re Schildt decision

Gallegos was coming out - he was only there to lure the usage of Lux.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 08:37:39 PM
Not a great start to the game for ERod.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 10:07:57 PM
Nevin hits back at A-Rod

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-yankees/yankees-third-base-coach-explains-controversial-decision-to-send-aaron-judge-home/?fbclid=IwAR3oLAV3zR8XYBK57y7QpKefDvrrK4IbFlCr4Zs_seS11Y1RfNv5bdg09uQ
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 10:22:47 PM
David Robertson's a good story.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 10:27:45 PM
Nevin hits back at A-Rod

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-yankees/yankees-third-base-coach-explains-controversial-decision-to-send-aaron-judge-home/?fbclid=IwAR3oLAV3zR8XYBK57y7QpKefDvrrK4IbFlCr4Zs_seS11Y1RfNv5bdg09uQ

He's attacking ARod, but his defense of his decision is pretty weak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 07, 2021, 11:34:39 PM
Rays are real good

Too much Arozarena and too much shit for luck BABIP

let's try some hit 'em where they ain't in G2

the sun will come out tomorrow

damn shame the Sox won't see it in that fucking dump.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2021, 11:38:33 PM
Rays are real good

Too much Arozarena and too much shit for luck BABIP

let's try some hit 'em where they ain't in G2

the sun will come out tomorrow

damn shame the Sox won't see it in that fucking dump.

Not an inspiring game for the Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 07, 2021, 11:41:26 PM
"Devers and Martinez can benefit from being injured because in the post season less is more"

The great ALEX RODRIGUEZ
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2021, 12:03:14 AM
Rays are real good

Too much Arozarena and too much shit for luck BABIP

let's try some hit 'em where they ain't in G2

the sun will come out tomorrow

damn shame the Sox won't see it in that fucking dump.

Not an inspiring game for the Red Sox.

maybe Sale pitches an inspired game tomorrow and some Sox rockets find some open spaces.

We just need a split
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2021, 12:05:52 AM
"Devers and Martinez can benefit from being injured because in the post season less is more"

The great ALEX RODRIGUEZ

This is a very good example of why I mute ESPN when Arod does a Sox game and put on "EEI.

Even Vasgersian got sick of listening to that moron.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 08:00:27 AM
Nevin hits back at A-Rod

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-yankees/yankees-third-base-coach-explains-controversial-decision-to-send-aaron-judge-home/?fbclid=IwAR3oLAV3zR8XYBK57y7QpKefDvrrK4IbFlCr4Zs_seS11Y1RfNv5bdg09uQ

He's attacking ARod, but his defense of his decision is pretty weak.

As if ARod was the only one to criticize the send. That is not the case. It's not a good read, it's not a good play, Phil. Only one team had more players thrown out at home than the Y's this season in the AL---KC.

So, let's not make this a stupid Phil Nevin v. ARod discussion.

It's not. It's Phil Nevin v Keeping His Job.

I think he could be going, frankly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 08:03:12 AM
Rays are real good



D'Oh!

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPB7T0AvOXv1mtYyag4wugkBivDOTod_A6OjgkM-E4qyppNfpsi5osNPI1xJjTyXlQU40&usqp=CAU)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 08:31:35 AM
Both sets of Sox got laundered last night, each a little more pale this morning---and in Chicago, that's saying something.

I like the best of 5's, though. They really put a lot of pressure on both teams to play their best baseball.

The All-time greatest best of 5 series, for any fan of real baseball was the 1980 Phillies-Astros NLCS, with Game 5 being one of the best play-off games ever to be played.



The Phillies series featured 4 extra inning games, all of which took considerably less time to play than the LAD/Cardinals game the other night.


Game 5, an 8-7 Championship clinching win for the Phillies, was a 10 inning affair, lasting 3 hours and 38 minutes, well less than that Dodgers 9 inning game the other night. The Astros had won a one-game play-off against those Dodgers, btw, to get into the play-offs. Nolan Ryan started the game vs rookie Marty Bystrom, at home in the Dome, and it certainly looked like Houston would have the edge going into the game.

The game was tied 2-2 going into the bottom of the 7th, when the Astros scored 3 runs to take a 5-2 lead. Ryan was still pitching when the Phillies answered in the top of the 8th, loading the bases and getting a walk by Rose off Ryan to make it 5-3. Then relievers Joe Sambito and Ken Frosch failed to hold the Phils down, and they scored 4 more runs to take a 7-5 lead.

In the bottom of the 8th, the Astros came right back and scored 2 to tie it off of Tug McGraw (who was being asked to get a two inning save, having already pitched in the previous 4 games).

At 7-7, in the 10th, Del Unser and Garry Maddox both doubled to give the Phils an 8-7 lead. Dick Ruthven retired three Astros hitters in the 10th, and the Phils went off to the World Series, their second in franchise history, and the first they'd ever win since 1888, when the losingest franchise in all of sports began it's strange history.

Nolan Ryan called the game the biggest loss I've ever had...and...more emotional than any game I have ever been in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 09:22:15 AM
As if ARod was the only one to criticize the send. That is not the case. It's not a good read, it's not a good play, Phil. Only one team had more players thrown out at home than the Y's this season in the AL---KC.


I side with Nevin - and again note Judge's hesitation and poor path to home

Fans want to assume Yanks score again there if Nevin holds Judge - and forget they still had a chance to after Aaron was gunned down.  Very "fannish".

And A-Rod still thinks Stanton ends up on second.  Heh.  (Glad the article I linked to had Giancarlo on FIRST had Nevin helf Judge)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 09:23:49 AM
So...

are White Sox too young to give Astros a go?

Is it all on the pitching - LYNN wearing the goat horns Game 1?

I figured this for 5 - but the way McCullers threw the ball looks almost like CHI had better win three straight now
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 09:26:27 AM
Both sets of Sox got laundered last night, each a little more pale this morning---and in Chicago, that's saying something.

I like the best of 5's, though. They really put a lot of pressure on both teams to play their best baseball.

The All-time greatest best of 5 series, for any fan of real baseball was the 1980 Phillies-Astros NLCS, with Game 5 being one of the best play-off games ever to be played.



The Phillies series featured 4 extra inning games, all of which took considerably less time to play than the LAD/Cardinals game the other night.


Game 5, an 8-7 Championship clinching win for the Phillies, was a 10 inning affair, lasting 3 hours and 38 minutes, well less than that Dodgers 9 inning game the other night. The Astros had won a one-game play-off against those Dodgers, btw, to get into the play-offs. Nolan Ryan started the game vs rookie Marty Bystrom, at home in the Dome, and it certainly looked like Houston would have the edge going into the game.

The game was tied 2-2 going into the bottom of the 7th, when the Astros scored 3 runs to take a 5-2 lead. Ryan was still pitching when the Phillies answered in the top of the 8th, loading the bases and getting a walk by Rose off Ryan to make it 5-3. Then relievers Joe Sambito and Ken Frosch failed to hold the Phils down, and they scored 4 more runs to take a 7-5 lead.

In the bottom of the 8th, the Astros came right back and scored 2 to tie it off of Tug McGraw (who was being asked to get a two inning save, having already pitched in the previous 4 games).

At 7-7, in the 10th, Del Unser and Garry Maddox both doubled to give the Phils an 8-7 lead. Dick Ruthven retired three Astros hitters in the 10th, and the Phils went off to the World Series, their second in franchise history, and the first they'd ever win since 1888, when the losingest franchise in all of sports began it's strange history.

Nolan Ryan called the game the biggest loss I've ever had...and...more emotional than any game I have ever been in.

Good memory

Would love to see that 8th inning - particularly the Rose at bat.  Not just for the drama but to hear how analysts handled Ryan still being in the game at the beginning of the frame - as it progressed and when  it got to Rose's spot with bases juiced.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 09:30:26 AM
It's not. It's Phil Nevin v Keeping His Job.

I think he could be going, frankly.


Yeah - its more about his NEXT job.  Usually when a manager is canned his staff goes out the door with him

Would Yanks offer Nevin a re-assignment?  Maybe

Would he take it?  I doubt it.  Though I dont know the monetary details nor his family situation.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 09:33:38 AM
No picks for this round?  Everyone's mute.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 09:38:35 AM
3 of 6 picked Red Sox

4 of 6 picked Astros

3 of six picked Dodgers

5 of 6 picked Brewers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 08, 2021, 09:41:12 AM
I picked Red Sox, Astros, Dodgers, Braves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 09:49:06 AM
Rays, White Sox, Dodgers, Brewers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 09:56:34 AM
Both sets of Sox got laundered last night, each a little more pale this morning---and in Chicago, that's saying something.

I like the best of 5's, though. They really put a lot of pressure on both teams to play their best baseball.

The All-time greatest best of 5 series, for any fan of real baseball was the 1980 Phillies-Astros NLCS, with Game 5 being one of the best play-off games ever to be played.



The Phillies series featured 4 extra inning games, all of which took considerably less time to play than the LAD/Cardinals game the other night.


Game 5, an 8-7 Championship clinching win for the Phillies, was a 10 inning affair, lasting 3 hours and 38 minutes, well less than that Dodgers 9 inning game the other night. The Astros had won a one-game play-off against those Dodgers, btw, to get into the play-offs. Nolan Ryan started the game vs rookie Marty Bystrom, at home in the Dome, and it certainly looked like Houston would have the edge going into the game.

The game was tied 2-2 going into the bottom of the 7th, when the Astros scored 3 runs to take a 5-2 lead. Ryan was still pitching when the Phillies answered in the top of the 8th, loading the bases and getting a walk by Rose off Ryan to make it 5-3. Then relievers Joe Sambito and Ken Frosch failed to hold the Phils down, and they scored 4 more runs to take a 7-5 lead.

In the bottom of the 8th, the Astros came right back and scored 2 to tie it off of Tug McGraw (who was being asked to get a two inning save, having already pitched in the previous 4 games).

At 7-7, in the 10th, Del Unser and Garry Maddox both doubled to give the Phils an 8-7 lead. Dick Ruthven retired three Astros hitters in the 10th, and the Phils went off to the World Series, their second in franchise history, and the first they'd ever win since 1888, when the losingest franchise in all of sports began it's strange history.

Nolan Ryan called the game the biggest loss I've ever had...and...more emotional than any game I have ever been in.

Good memory

Would love to see that 8th inning - particularly the Rose at bat.  Not just for the drama but to hear how analysts handled Ryan still being in the game at the beginning of the frame - as it progressed and when  it got to Rose's spot with bases juiced.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OlThPf0FjY

Google works quite well, Kid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 10:07:40 AM
LFG!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 10:08:26 AM
As if ARod was the only one to criticize the send. That is not the case. It's not a good read, it's not a good play, Phil. Only one team had more players thrown out at home than the Y's this season in the AL---KC.


I side with Nevin - and again note Judge's hesitation and poor path to home

Fans want to assume Yanks score again there if Nevin holds Judge - and forget they still had a chance to after Aaron was gunned down.  Very "fannish".

And A-Rod still thinks Stanton ends up on second.  Heh.  (Glad the article I linked to had Giancarlo on FIRST had Nevin helf Judge)

We don't assume Judge would have scored had he stayed at 3rd.

We do assume that they would have had two shots at getting him in from third rather than one shot at getting Stanton in from 2nd.

About half the time, runners are scored from 3rd with less than two outs.

Judge's chances of scoring in that situation sure looked lower than 50% to everybody but you and Phil Nevin, Kid.

Nevin could see Judge's gait, too, and his having slowed as he approached 3rd. That is ample reason to have put up the stop sign, not a reason to blame Judge for being tagged out!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 11:26:15 AM
Alriiiiight, ALEX!

https://yanksgoyard.com/2021/10/07/yankees-alex-cora-running-playoff-circles-aaron-boone/?a_aid=41091&fbclid=IwAR1JzSm2QHAH6zDFowNnXAS9J4CGGujhS_cU8wZF4AZ1lgUQCTwuzU402Qg
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 11:35:38 AM
We do assume that they would have had two shots at getting him in from third rather than one shot at getting Stanton in from 2nd.


Right

But assuming a high success rate is the folly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 12:05:00 PM
As if ARod was the only one to criticize the send. That is not the case. It's not a good read, it's not a good play, Phil. Only one team had more players thrown out at home than the Y's this season in the AL---KC.


I side with Nevin - and again note Judge's hesitation and poor path to home

Fans want to assume Yanks score again there if Nevin holds Judge - and forget they still had a chance to after Aaron was gunned down.  Very "fannish".

And A-Rod still thinks Stanton ends up on second.  Heh.  (Glad the article I linked to had Giancarlo on FIRST had Nevin helf Judge)

You side with Nevin because you hate ARod.

I side with the notion that your team is on the road, down in the score, in an elimination game, and needs to put pressure on the other pitcher and to silence the crowd, and first and third with one out is better than 2nd with 2 outs and a crowd screaming because you just gave them an out at home plate. Risk/reward is greater with holding Judge up than sending him. All of that should have been considered by Nevin PRIOR TO THE GAME. He should know what he's going to do in that situation well before Stanton comes up.

That's just the way it is, and you're wishing otherwise is...uhhh....folly.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 12:06:03 PM
So...

are White Sox too young to give Astros a go?

Is it all on the pitching - LYNN wearing the goat horns Game 1?

I figured this for 5 - but the way McCullers threw the ball looks almost like CHI had better win three straight now

If they win the next game, it's back to Chi-town tied. Which is usually the goal.

Goals count more than goats after GAME ONE.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 12:10:00 PM
You side with Nevin because you hate ARod.


I have posted favorably on Rodriguez

Actually like listening to him, generally

Thomas, Papi, Alex and Burkhart is great stuff (studio show)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 12:11:35 PM
You side with Nevin because you hate ARod.


I have posted favorably on Rodriguez

Yeah, and I think Banks might be a halfway decent human being, too.

Heh.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 12:14:25 PM
So...

are White Sox too young to give Astros a go?

Is it all on the pitching - LYNN wearing the goat horns Game 1?

I figured this for 5 - but the way McCullers threw the ball looks almost like CHI had better win three straight now

If they win the next game, it's back to Chi-town tied. Which is usually the goal.

Goals count more than goats after GAME ONE.

Right

At which point they would then have to win the next 2 - given how McCullers looked.  What I said

Not that Lance is '86 Mike Scott - but quite impressive, yes. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2021, 12:29:19 PM
We do assume that they would have had two shots at getting him in from third rather than one shot at getting Stanton in from 2nd.


Right

But assuming a high success rate is the folly.

Stat guys (FanGraph) have a matrix with 24 outcomes (0,1,2 outs, different bases occupied) and have estimated 1st and 3rd 1 out has a run expectancy of 1.14 runs.

Nevin owns this folly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 12:36:24 PM
So...

are White Sox too young to give Astros a go?

Is it all on the pitching - LYNN wearing the goat horns Game 1?

I figured this for 5 - but the way McCullers threw the ball looks almost like CHI had better win three straight now

If they win the next game, it's back to Chi-town tied. Which is usually the goal.

Goals count more than goats after GAME ONE.

Right

At which point they would then have to win the next 2 - given how McCullers looked.  What I said

Not that Lance is '86 Mike Scott - but quite impressive, yes.


That's not how it works. You plan for all the games, but you only play one game at a time. Adjustments get made constantly, depending on who is hitting, what pitches are being mastered, and a whole host of other factors.

It's not the NBA, where most outcomes are easy to predict. Ask Aura and Mystique, back in 2001. Turned out they were just strippers.

0-1 count, man on, 0 outs, Rivera pitching, up by a run.What happened? The bunt was put down, and Rivera had it in plenty of time to go to second, but he let one sail past Jeter that he couldn't knock down and went into center, making it 2 on and 0 outs. On the next bunt, Rivera was quick to get the ball to Brosius at third, and he STILL had time to get a DP at first, but he never threw the ball. So, instead of 2 out and a man on 2nd, it was 1 out and first and second. The greatest closer of all time then gave up a 2-2  double to Tony Womack, game was then tied, and still only one out. Craig Counsell, came up, and both infield and outfield now playing in. And the GOAT Closer hit Counsell. Which brought Luis Gonzales up who then hits the flare just over the head of the drawn-in Jeter at short. If you recall AZ won the first two games of that 7 game series, LOST the next 3, and won that one in the ninth.


That GOAT was THE goat, that night.

Let the games unfold, kid.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 01:51:34 PM
McCullers for the year

185 K
122 hits allowed

McCullers career

750 K
566 hits allowed

Select stats indicator of dominance
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 01:52:52 PM
0-1 count, man on, 0 outs, Rivera pitching, up by a run.What happened? The bunt was put down, and Rivera had it in plenty of time to go to second, but he let one sail past Jeter that he couldn't knock down and went into center, making it 2 on and 0 outs. On the next bunt, Rivera was quick to get the ball to Brosius at third, and he STILL had time to get a DP at first, but he never threw the ball. So, instead of 2 out and a man on 2nd, it was 1 out and first and second. The greatest closer of all time then gave up a 2-2  double to Tony Womack, game was then tied, and still only one out. Craig Counsell, came up, and both infield and outfield now playing in. And the GOAT Closer hit Counsell. Which brought Luis Gonzales up who then hits the flare just over the head of the drawn-in Jeter at short. If you recall AZ won the first two games of that 7 game series, LOST the next 3, and won that one in the ninth.


Have you ever heard Jeter talk about that bunt play?  I'd love his take on it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 01:56:12 PM
I side with the notion that your team is on the road, down in the score, in an elimination game, and needs to put pressure on the other pitcher and to silence the crowd, and first and third with one out is better than 2nd with 2 outs and a crowd screaming because you just gave them an out at home plate. Risk/reward is greater with holding Judge up than sending him. All of that should have been considered by Nevin PRIOR TO THE GAME. He should know what he's going to do in that situation well before Stanton comes up.


Exactly as Nevin said - your analysis is outcome-based.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 01:56:44 PM
Judge acted poorly

You havent commented on this - and I guess see no need to.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 01:58:54 PM
That GOAT was THE goat, that night.

Let the games unfold, kid


Oh...I always do

But my guess if you'd lay 3-1 that Astros win a  game 5 with the current McCullers at home.

Best that Chisox avoid those odds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 03:14:10 PM
We do assume that they would have had two shots at getting him in from third rather than one shot at getting Stanton in from 2nd.


Right

But assuming a high success rate is the folly.

50% success rate was the stated statistical basis for the assumption that it would have been wiser in that situation.

Are you disagreeing with the stats!?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 05:09:43 PM
I side with the notion that your team is on the road, down in the score, in an elimination game, and needs to put pressure on the other pitcher and to silence the crowd, and first and third with one out is better than 2nd with 2 outs and a crowd screaming because you just gave them an out at home plate. Risk/reward is greater with holding Judge up than sending him. All of that should have been considered by Nevin PRIOR TO THE GAME. He should know what he's going to do in that situation well before Stanton comes up.


Exactly as Nevin said - your analysis is outcome-based.

Of course it is, and his isn't? As I said, all of that should have been considered by Nevin PRIOR TO THE GAME. That was not the case
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 05:10:52 PM
Judge acted poorly

You havent commented on this - and I guess see no need to.

How did Judge act poorly? Explain and I will comment as necessary.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 05:43:01 PM
You've played the game.

Find the video and see for yourself.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 05:54:36 PM
You've played the game.

Find the video and see for yourself.

Sez the poster who wished he could see something that Ham posted about, rather than finding the video himself.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 05:59:54 PM
Geez, kid, do you ever answer directly a question that comes your way?

You want to criticize the way he slid? Yeah, maybe feet first is better, but he's still going to be out. Remember, you can't do the Pete Rose play anymore, thanks to that Buster Pussy.

You want to say he should have been off on contact? That wouldn't be wise.

Maybe you'd like to critique his position coming down the third base line, running too far wide of the baseline?

I did see he hit the bag with the wrong foot, and that does take you outside the line, so there's that. But that is not why he's out. he's out because Nevin sent him when he shouldn't have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUyiWhQoifc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUyiWhQoifc)

Go to this video, stop it at 2:09.

You will see that Boegarts is catching the ball as Judge hits the bag (with the wrong foot). From there he is a dead duck, but your boy Phil is waving him home.




Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 06:49:40 PM
Actually the slide almost made him safe, which is why I laugh at those who say it wasn't close.  Poor jump, hesitation around second, wide path second to third, hesitation at third.  Still almost safe.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 07:29:12 PM
Actually the slide almost made him safe, which is why I laugh at those who say it wasn't close.  Poor jump, hesitation around second, wide path second to third, hesitation at third.  Still almost safe.

"Almost made him safe..."

Which is why we laugh at you.

The "poor jump, hesitation around second, wide path second to third, and hesitation at third" are reasons that Nevin should not have sent Judge.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 07:36:22 PM
It's great to have John Smoltz to second guess things.

OTOH, it is an ugly first inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
You've played the game.

Find the video and see for yourself.

Sez the poster who wished he could see something that Ham posted about, rather than finding the video himself.

I saw the replay three times - same as A-Rod and everyone else that was paying attention Tuesday
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 08:00:14 PM
Actually the slide almost made him safe, which is why I laugh at those who say it wasn't close.  Poor jump, hesitation around second, wide path second to third, hesitation at third.  Still almost safe.

"Almost made him safe..."

Which is why we laugh at you.

The "poor jump, hesitation around second, wide path second to third, and hesitation at third" are reasons that Nevin should not have sent Judge.

Nevin gave perfectly good reasoning

And refuses - as any good coach - to blame the player.

Gave credit to the opposition, another excellent trait of a coach and stand-up man.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 08:01:50 PM
Nothing Alex can do tonight.  Team is just overmatched (as Keirmeier does what he does to Devers)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 08, 2021, 08:16:10 PM
It's great to have John Smoltz to second guess things.

OTOH, it is an ugly first inning.
I think something isn't right with Sale again. Two starts in a row where he hasn't pitched like his healthy self
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 08:21:23 PM
Actually the slide almost made him safe, which is why I laugh at those who say it wasn't close.  Poor jump, hesitation around second, wide path second to third, hesitation at third.  Still almost safe.

"Almost made him safe..."

Which is why we laugh at you.

The "poor jump, hesitation around second, wide path second to third, and hesitation at third" are reasons that Nevin should not have sent Judge.

Nevin gave perfectly good reasoning

And refuses - as any good coach - to blame the player.

Gave credit to the opposition, another excellent trait of a coach and stand-up man.

This is what I said yesterday in response to Nevin's "perfectly good reasoning:"
Nevin hits back at A-Rod

https://empiresportsmedia.com/new-york-yankees/yankees-third-base-coach-explains-controversial-decision-to-send-aaron-judge-home/?fbclid=IwAR3oLAV3zR8XYBK57y7QpKefDvrrK4IbFlCr4Zs_seS11Y1RfNv5bdg09uQ

He's attacking ARod, but his defense of his decision is pretty weak.

And I have explained why it was weak:
a) He could see what we have all discussed.
b) The stats favored waiting.

Sure, it is great that he didn't blame Judge.

But it would have been better if he admitted that it might have been unwise. If he cannot see that, then he should not be a 3rd base coach.

There's a reason the Yanks had the 2nd most runners thrown out at home, after all.

But keep defending him. It's almost as funny as your defenses of Trump.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 08:27:54 PM
You will see that Boegarts is catching the ball as Judge hits the bag (with the wrong foot). From there he is a dead duck, but your boy Phil is waving him home.


You dont even know what you are watching

Judge was half way between third and home when Xander got the throw
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 08:30:26 PM
SMOLTZ: 

"This came could be 10-8"

It could be 5-4.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 09:07:11 PM
SMOLTZ: 

"This came could be 10-8"

It could be 5-4.

Or 8-5.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 10:11:15 PM
"And it lands in the cubbyhole!" wrote the closed captioner of the homer from Buster Posey.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 10:27:39 PM
Things gettin interesting
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 08, 2021, 10:42:44 PM
You will see that Boegarts is catching the ball as Judge hits the bag (with the wrong foot). From there he is a dead duck, but your boy Phil is waving him home.


You dont even know what you are watching

Judge was half way between third and home when Xander got the throw

You need a new computer screen. I gave you the time slot. Check it again after you upgrade your equipment.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 08, 2021, 10:46:44 PM
Whoever had Matt Barnes coming in to pitch the 9th play the lottery😀😀
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 08, 2021, 10:47:59 PM
Wacha takes one for the team

In time we see if Cash was wise....

Great win - congrats
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 11:06:49 PM
It was an enjoyable game for everybody on the Red Sox except for Chris Sale.

We'll see if he comes back to pitch later in the series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2021, 11:08:05 PM
Arozarena stole home last night
Sox stole home field advantage tonight

Sox got punched in the nuts in the 1st but fought back.

Sale got jumped

Houck was a savior, what a tremendous job, and the balls that found gloves last night found open spaces tonight. The offense was unreal.

GREAT WIN
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 08, 2021, 11:10:06 PM
Whoever had Matt Barnes coming in to pitch the 9th play the lottery😀😀

He almost made it interesting. 

Fuck interesting, step on those motherfuckers throat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2021, 11:55:53 PM
Logan Webb with a well-deserved round of applause.

It is still a tight game, as he leaves, at 3-0. Can his relief match what he did?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 12:30:14 AM
Logan Webb with a well-deserved round of applause.

It is still a tight game, as he leaves, at 3-0. Can his relief match what he did?

They did just fine.

Now the Giants just have to hope not to suffer the same fate in game 2 that the Rays did after their shut out of the Red Sox.

Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 12:31:24 AM
The Brewers lived up to their heavy favorite status tonight. Will they follow the path of the other favorite, the Astros, and go up 2-0 tomorrow?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 07:48:19 AM
Logan Webb with a well-deserved round of applause.

It is still a tight game, as he leaves, at 3-0. Can his relief match what he did?

They did just fine.

Now the Giants just have to hope not to suffer the same fate in game 2 that the Rays did after their shut out of the Red Sox.

Hope doesn't enter into it. Unless that is the name of one of their pitchers.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 07:49:03 AM
The Brewers probably have the best bullpen in the NL. That means a lot in the post-season.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 07:57:10 AM
The San Francisco Giants, who had the best record in the majors after entering the season as 100-1 long shots to win the World Series, have their sights set on another unique distinction: sportsbook crusher, as multiple operators each stand to lose more than $1 million if they win the championship.

"Honestly, we get crushed if the Giants win," MGM director of trading Jeff Stoneback told ESPN, explaining the potential net loss even after accounting for all wagers on the 29 other teams.



Although the Giants never faded as they rolled to a 107-55 mark during the regular season, bookmakers still only gradually lowered their odds throughout the season. Bettors could have grabbed them at 10-1 in late July.

"We didn't think they had a real chance to do this," SuperBook executive director John Murray told ESPN, adding that they expected the Arizona Diamondbacks (52-110) to finish higher. "We consider the Dodgers to be the best team in baseball. We've thought that the whole season and thought it was just inevitable they would pass the Giants."

San Francisco edged its rival by one game, cashing 40-1 tickets for winning the National League West title.


The Giants, however, once again find themselves dismissed and in the underdog role entering the postseason. The Dodgers are -160 favorites for the best-of-five National League Division Series, even though San Francisco has home-field advantage.




---per ESPN
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 09, 2021, 08:05:07 AM
Professional Asshole and famous cheater Tony LaRussa getting roasted in Chicago: https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/10/8/22716654/white-sox-tony-la-russa-bullpen-mismanagement-alds-astros-game-2 (https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2021/10/8/22716654/white-sox-tony-la-russa-bullpen-mismanagement-alds-astros-game-2)

Regardless of which relievers are used, giving up a combined five runs and seven hits in the postseason can
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 12:05:12 PM
Kopech when it was 4-2 made a lot of sense, prior to the walk and the game tying hit, righty vs lefty

Later on, the move to Kimbrel, one of the best, at 5-4 down, cannot be criticized.

Gotta get two at home, with Kopech fresh and certain to be used.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 12:48:56 PM
Kopech when it was 4-2 made a lot of sense, prior to the walk and the game tying hit, righty vs lefty

Later on, the move to Kimbrel, one of the best, at 5-4 down, cannot be criticized.

Gotta get two at home, with Kopech fresh and certain to be used.

Kimbrel with the White Sox has been anything but "one of the best."
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 01:14:25 PM
Tonight's Dodgers-Giants game ought to be amazing, given the starters - but even more than that, to me, is that the Giant's hitters have had a total of 4 at bats against Urias while the Dodger hitters have had none against Gausman!
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 02:22:58 PM
I expect a shutout.  May lay some sheckles on it.

Yeah - books heavy, heavy on LA.  Thanks for the quotes
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 02:29:34 PM
So you would have gone to Kopech not Kimbrel?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 03:02:42 PM
So you would have gone to Kopech not Kimbrel?

Yes.

Kimbrel's record against Houston is not good. Kopech's got too little history to make projections about how he would do, but given the difference between the two in the latter half of the year, I would have gone with Kopech.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 03:10:28 PM
The Athletic asked 2 players, scouts, and coaches to predict the wild card games - one from each league in the three categories.

All 6 picked the Dodgers.

5 of six picked the Yankees, with the AL scout choosing the Red Sox, but noting that either would be smoked by the Rays.

https://theathletic.com/2867757/2021/10/05/who-will-win-the-wild-card-games-coaches-players-and-scouts-make-their-predictions/?source=weeklyemail&campaign=602288
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 03:22:04 PM
And their predictions for the current sets of series:
https://theathletic.com/2873497/2021/10/07/insiders-picks-for-the-mlb-division-series-coaches-players-and-scouts-make-their-predictions/

Unanimous to pick the Rays. Everything else is at least a little mixed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 03:34:54 PM
So you would have gone to Kopech not Kimbrel?

Yes.


Extreme disagree.  At 5-4 down the game becomes Kimbrel to Hendricks - and hope the comeback happens.

Wanna change gears when it hits 9-4 no problem

Lets see how Tony does the rest of the way.  Like I said Game 5 will be very tough without an absolute Lynn gem.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 03:42:13 PM
So you would have gone to Kopech not Kimbrel?

Yes.


Extreme disagree.  At 5-4 down the game becomes Kimbrel to Hendricks - and hope the comeback happens.

Wanna change gears when it hits 9-4 no problem

Lets see how Tony does the rest of the way.  Like I said Game 5 will be very tough without an absolute Lynn gem.

If you want to put the less successful pitcher in, that's your call, for sure.

Kimbrel proved that putting him in was a mistake. Kopech did not have the chance.

In a one run game at this point, I would put Kopech.

Would you put Kimbrel in again?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 04:33:11 PM
Check yourself - its extreme tomfoolery, your thought process.

You simply do not make a deal like that for a Kimbrel then leave him on the shelf.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 04:50:05 PM
Check yourself - its extreme tomfoolery, your thought process.

You simply do not make a deal like that for a Kimbrel then leave him on the shelf.

You do when he is not performing.

Putting him in when he is not Kimbrel is far greater tomfoolery, Kid.

5-4

then 9-4.

They need to figure out why, same as Red Sox and Chris Sale.

Should the Red Sox start Chris Sale in Game 5 of this series if it makes it that far? Not without a damned good reason to expect a different result - I don't care what is salary is.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 05:17:41 PM
Why?

Are you serious?

The other team has guys trying to kick your ass.  That is the "why" of it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 05:26:53 PM
Should have been out of the inning (love Correa of course)

https://www.mlb.com/video/carlos-correa-s-two-run-double
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 09, 2021, 07:24:59 PM
Fried out - 81 pitches

I dont like it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 09:37:49 PM
Fried out - 81 pitches

I dont like it

Your managerial instincts remain as sound as they were for the White Sox.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 09, 2021, 10:02:57 PM
I expect a shutout.  May lay some sheckles on it.

Yeah - books heavy, heavy on LA.  Thanks for the quotes

Got a shut out... just not the right game.

The Dodgers and Giants blew your notion in the 2nd inning.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 09, 2021, 10:12:46 PM
I
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 10, 2021, 03:02:14 AM
I
I am just going to assume everything that came after the apostrophe was brilliant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 07:17:21 PM
Keeping it tied would be very good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 07:49:22 PM
Heh

Fuck Robles and his quick pitches

Whitlock saves everyone's bacon, I see - at least for now
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 07:52:40 PM
Heh

Fuck Robles and his quick pitches

Whitlock saves everyone's bacon, I see - at least for now

Just a bit of tension.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 08:03:39 PM
Time for a hero, Bah-stin

Damn - Margot against his old team and he does this?  Ouch.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 08:04:13 PM
Heh

You go, YG! 
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2021, 08:09:35 PM
I feel bad that you no longer respect me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 09:15:55 PM
A play that never happens - and I mean NEVER.

Good break for Bosox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 09:17:36 PM
 Holy crap that's a horrible call!!!

It's TOTALLY the fault if the Sox player that the ball went out of play. Tampa should play the game under protest from this point on.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2021, 09:22:30 PM
Correct call. Bad rule.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 09:25:25 PM
Jeffrey Maier's play call has now been replaced.

WORST CALL EVAHHH!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 09:32:48 PM
dude - chill
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 09:33:33 PM
But I would like to know when exactly umpire's placing of runners could occur.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 09:34:12 PM
At the very least it's interference.
which "occurs in situations in which a person illegally changes the course of play from what is expected."

From now on misplay the ball and kick it over the fence, outfielders.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 09:37:37 PM
That play never happens in MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 10, 2021, 09:38:41 PM
Huge HR for Grandal to get WSox spirits back up

Have to wonder how Tucker homered off Kopech but would never have the other night - heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 09:40:44 PM
That play never happens in MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM.

Hahahahaha.

No, they must have come up with that rule just for Fenway.

But come up with it they did.

Hahaha. Poor Ham.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 09:42:22 PM
What's patently unfair about that call is that the rule benefits the player and team that fucked up!



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 09:43:42 PM
That play never happens in MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM.

Hahahahaha.

No, they must have come up with that rule just for Fenway.

But come up with it they did.

Hahaha. Poor Ham.

But what I said, ass-wipe.

That puny fence doesn't belong in a MLB park.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 09:44:00 PM
It was a great game.

I was surprised we didn't hear from Ham about the fake interference play, too, but maybe he missed it.

I am relieved the Red Sox won. I hope the White Sox win, too.

Their games is moving glacially.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 09:49:28 PM
You should be relieved.

GIFTED game after it was BLOWN.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 09:59:50 PM
That play never happens in MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM.

Hahahahaha.

No, they must have come up with that rule just for Fenway.

But come up with it they did.

Hahaha. Poor Ham.

But what I said, ass-wipe.

That puny fence doesn't belong in a MLB park.

You say that as if there were a rule that applies to it.

There isn't and no amount of your belly-aching is going to change it to assuage your sour grapes.

You would have said nothing if that had gone the other way and bounced off a Rays player, denying the Red Sox a run and we all know it, even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Of course, the bullpen wall isn't the shortest at Fenway, but it also isn't the 2nd shortest wall in the majors.

But why let reality get in the way of a good pout, Ham.

You are too fucking funny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 10:00:19 PM
You should be relieved.

GIFTED game after it was BLOWN.

Poor crybaby.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2021, 10:19:49 PM
The Tuck Rule.

Umps got it right.

I can certainly understand the Rays feeling jobbed.

That was a great game.

Why the Sox pitched to Arozarena in the 8th was a mystery to me. Should have IBB him.

and the Sox would have won it in 9.

Did I mention how great a game that was?





Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 10:22:04 PM
That play never happens in MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM.

Hahahahaha.

No, they must have come up with that rule just for Fenway.

But come up with it they did.

Hahaha. Poor Ham.

But what I said, ass-wipe.

That puny fence doesn't belong in a MLB park.

You say that as if there were a rule that applies to it.

There isn't and no amount of your belly-aching is going to change it to assuage your sour grapes.

You would have said nothing if that had gone the other way and bounced off a Rays player, denying the Red Sox a run and we all know it, even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Of course, the bullpen wall isn't the shortest at Fenway, but it also isn't the 2nd shortest wall in the majors.

But why let reality get in the way of a good pout, Ham.

You are too fucking funny.
Proving your stupidity, again, Josh?

The rule allowed the defensive error to benefit your team. That you don't grasp what is in front of you shows your homerism.

A game the Sox had blown was gifted to them

That's inarguable.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 10, 2021, 10:23:12 PM
The Tuck Rule.

Umps got it right.

I can certainly understand the Rays feeling jobbed.

That was a great game.

Why the Sox pitched to Arozarena in the 8th was a mystery to me. Should have IBB him.

and the Sox would have won it in 9.

Did I mention how great a game that was?

Yes, correct ruling.

But a gift.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 10, 2021, 10:25:39 PM
That play never happens in MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM.

Hahahahaha.

No, they must have come up with that rule just for Fenway.

But come up with it they did.

Hahaha. Poor Ham.

But what I said, ass-wipe.

That puny fence doesn't belong in a MLB park.

That puny fence has been in MLB longer than any other fence, other than the really high one in left, and every great player in the AL and most in the NL has played on that quirky field for over a century.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 10, 2021, 10:28:42 PM
Meantime, the White Sox- Astros game is also crazy
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 10:30:35 PM
That play never happens in MAJOR LEAGUE STADIUM.

Hahahahaha.

No, they must have come up with that rule just for Fenway.

But come up with it they did.

Hahaha. Poor Ham.

But what I said, ass-wipe.

That puny fence doesn't belong in a MLB park.

You say that as if there were a rule that applies to it.

There isn't and no amount of your belly-aching is going to change it to assuage your sour grapes.

You would have said nothing if that had gone the other way and bounced off a Rays player, denying the Red Sox a run and we all know it, even if you cannot bring yourself to admit it.

Of course, the bullpen wall isn't the shortest at Fenway, but it also isn't the 2nd shortest wall in the majors.

But why let reality get in the way of a good pout, Ham.

You are too fucking funny.
Proving your stupidity, again, Josh?

The rule allowed the defensive error to benefit your team. That you don't grasp what is in front of you shows your homerism.

A game the Sox had blown was gifted to them

That's inarguable.

/Laughs/

You made a factual claim.

It's false.

I happen to agree that the rule benefited the Red Sox, though it is very unclear that it changed the outcome of the game. They get the 1 run. Next batter strikes out.

Red Sox score two in the bottom of the inning and win.

It's arguable.

It just isn't the conclusion you wanted.

Same as it ever was.

What may not belong in baseball is your puny ego.

p.s. The catwalk rules shouldn't exist as they do, either, but they exist and it is the way it is. The Rays and Red Sox are playing by the same rules. It happened to benefit the home team this time around. Otherwise, you wouldn't be saying a fucking word, pissant.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 10:31:47 PM
Meantime, the White Sox- Astros game is also crazy

It sure is!

I'm loving it and the Buffalo/KC game. (of course, the latter's in a lightning delay. It's a crazy night in sports.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 10, 2021, 10:44:26 PM
I see Wainwright is doing the Astros/White Sox game.

Is Cole doing the Braves/Brewers?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 12:16:34 AM
ERod is announced for the Red Sox.

Not sure who is going for the Rays, yet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 01:20:40 AM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 11, 2021, 08:56:05 AM
4 games today again - sweet

Sitting at 4-6 this round.  (Assumes taking series winner in each game)
6-6 overall
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:16:14 AM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
 WSJ concludes the Rays were penalized by the poor play of the outfielder, which was my point, last night.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/red-sox-rays-alds-hunter-renfroe-11633954643 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/red-sox-rays-alds-hunter-renfroe-11633954643)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 11, 2021, 10:24:20 AM
Well at least you know understand that it was the correct call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:26:50 AM
Well at least you know understand that it was the correct call.

I understood that yesterday.

But that doesn't change the results of the Rays being punished due to the incompetence of their opponent. Or, the Sox being rewarded for fucking up.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:29:43 AM
Excellent point: https://twitter.com/joe_sheehan/status/1447399516852871169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1447399516852871169%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fembed%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-1447399516852871169autosize%3D1 (https://twitter.com/joe_sheehan/status/1447399516852871169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1447399516852871169%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fembed%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-1447399516852871169autosize%3D1)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 11, 2021, 10:31:31 AM
So you "understood that yesterday" when you said: "Holy crap that's a horrible call!!!  It's TOTALLY the fault if the Sox player that the ball went out of play. Tampa should play the game under protest from this point on." ?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:42:44 AM
So you "understood that yesterday" when you said: "Holy crap that's a horrible call!!!  It's TOTALLY the fault if the Sox player that the ball went out of play. Tampa should play the game under protest from this point on." ?

Yes, I did.

REACTING to a play in the instant that it took place. As no one else here did.

So, sue me for being a baseball fan---And if you watched the game, which you may have, you saw Renfroe's reaction. He just barely missed hitting that ball with his glove after reaching for it once he saw it hop over the fence, and had he done so, that would have been a different call.

And maybe a different outcome.

Sox will say they weren't lucky to win that game, but most of us know differently.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:48:11 AM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

Some of "they" are calling for a rewrite.

The umpire they quoted likes the rule the way it is - it simplifies his life.


I think this "automatic" double should get a rewrite, too. But I have felt that umpires have been screwing up ground rule doubles for decades, by not exercising their placement options.

And their refusal, the overwhelming bulk of the time, to enforce the HBP rule that allows them to not give the hitter the base has irked me forever, even before some hitters became fully armored - but now?! Wikipedia notes, "If the batter does not attempt to avoid the pitch, he is not awarded first base, and the pitch is ruled either a strike if in the strike zone or a ball if out of the strike zone. Umpires rarely make this call." Perhaps a rewrite to make it a strike or even to have the batter be out would change hitters' conduct.

Some of the unchallengeable plays need to become challengeable.

Getting rid of the 3 batter minimum and limited mound visits rules seems called for, given that this season, the average MLB game took three hours, 10 minutes and seven seconds to play, a new record high with those rules.

And get rid of the runner on 2nd base in extras if it isn't good enough for post season play! Or ditch those two prior rules for post season play, if you are going to make it different, anyway.

Sure, change the pinball rule before next season. I have no objection, but it is hardly the only one that needs some tweaking.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:54:40 AM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

Some of "they" are calling for a rewrite.

The umpire they quoted likes the rule the way it is - it simplifies his life.


I think this "automatic" double should get a rewrite, too. But I have felt that umpires have been screwing up ground rule doubles for decades, by not exercising their placement options.

And their refusal, the overwhelming bulk of the time, to enforce the HBP rule that allows them to not give the hitter the base has irked me forever, even before some hitters became fully armored - but now?! Wikipedia notes, "If the batter does not attempt to avoid the pitch, he is not awarded first base, and the pitch is ruled either a strike if in the strike zone or a ball if out of the strike zone. Umpires rarely make this call." Perhaps a rewrite to make it a strike or even to have the batter be out would change hitters' conduct.

Some of the unchallengeable plays need to become challengeable.

Getting rid of the 3 batter minimum and limited mound visits rules seems called for, given that this season, the average MLB game took three hours, 10 minutes and seven seconds to play, a new record high with those rules.

And get rid of the runner on 2nd base in extras if it isn't good enough for post season play! Or ditch those two prior rules for post season play, if you are going to make it different, anyway.

Sure, change the pinball rule before next season. I have no objection, but it is hardly the only one that needs some tweaking.


Yes, I agree we should tweak other rules, too, most importantly the DH, which should be either eliminated or put into the NL so that each league plays the same fucking game.

However, to keep to the topic, this rule takes an error by the defense and rewards the defense for that error. That's fundamentally unfair.

What other sport has that kind of thing in place? 


.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:55:48 AM
Excellent point: https://twitter.com/joe_sheehan/status/1447399516852871169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1447399516852871169%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fembed%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-1447399516852871169autosize%3D1 (https://twitter.com/joe_sheehan/status/1447399516852871169?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1447399516852871169%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdeadspin.com%2Fembed%2Finset%2Fiframe%3Fid%3Dtwitter-1447399516852871169autosize%3D1)

Further down that same set of tweets was Buster Olney's "It was a play we've never seen before, a play that might not ever happen in any park other than Fenway because of its low outfield wall. So let's not pretend there's an emergency to rewrite the rule for the next time the play happens (in 100 years?). Terrible luck for the Rays."

As for the human element, umpires have shown for decades that when left to their own devices, they have tended to ignore the rules.

The HBP batter who doesn't get out of the way is a good example of a remaining issue as is the placement of runners when it is their option on some GR doubles.

But so was the "neighborhood play" at 2nd base, which has finally (mostly) been gotten rid of, I am pleased to say.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:58:32 AM
Unrelatedly, from that same bunch of tweets was this gem:
Quote
Lindsey Adler @lindseyadler
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 11:03:04 AM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

Some of "they" are calling for a rewrite.

The umpire they quoted likes the rule the way it is - it simplifies his life.


I think this "automatic" double should get a rewrite, too. But I have felt that umpires have been screwing up ground rule doubles for decades, by not exercising their placement options.

And their refusal, the overwhelming bulk of the time, to enforce the HBP rule that allows them to not give the hitter the base has irked me forever, even before some hitters became fully armored - but now?! Wikipedia notes, "If the batter does not attempt to avoid the pitch, he is not awarded first base, and the pitch is ruled either a strike if in the strike zone or a ball if out of the strike zone. Umpires rarely make this call." Perhaps a rewrite to make it a strike or even to have the batter be out would change hitters' conduct.

Some of the unchallengeable plays need to become challengeable.

Getting rid of the 3 batter minimum and limited mound visits rules seems called for, given that this season, the average MLB game took three hours, 10 minutes and seven seconds to play, a new record high with those rules.

And get rid of the runner on 2nd base in extras if it isn't good enough for post season play! Or ditch those two prior rules for post season play, if you are going to make it different, anyway.

Sure, change the pinball rule before next season. I have no objection, but it is hardly the only one that needs some tweaking.


Yes, I agree we should tweak other rules, too, most importantly the DH, which should be either eliminated or put into the NL so that each league plays the same fucking game.

However, to keep to the topic, this rule takes an error by the defense and rewards the defense for that error. That's fundamentally unfair.

What other sport has that kind of thing in place?  .

The NFL has at least one rule and probably a couple more I am less sure of that award a team for having a penalty late in games when they are desperately trying to run down the clock or they want to adjust their field position. Soccer's time out rule is occasionally taken advantage of, but I think is not quite the same thing.

I don't know hockey or basketball rules well enough to have an opinion yea or nay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2021, 11:45:33 AM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

Some of "they" are calling for a rewrite.

The umpire they quoted likes the rule the way it is - it simplifies his life.


I think this "automatic" double should get a rewrite, too. But I have felt that umpires have been screwing up ground rule doubles for decades, by not exercising their placement options.

And their refusal, the overwhelming bulk of the time, to enforce the HBP rule that allows them to not give the hitter the base has irked me forever, even before some hitters became fully armored - but now?! Wikipedia notes, "If the batter does not attempt to avoid the pitch, he is not awarded first base, and the pitch is ruled either a strike if in the strike zone or a ball if out of the strike zone. Umpires rarely make this call." Perhaps a rewrite to make it a strike or even to have the batter be out would change hitters' conduct.

Some of the unchallengeable plays need to become challengeable.

Getting rid of the 3 batter minimum and limited mound visits rules seems called for, given that this season, the average MLB game took three hours, 10 minutes and seven seconds to play, a new record high with those rules.

And get rid of the runner on 2nd base in extras if it isn't good enough for post season play! Or ditch those two prior rules for post season play, if you are going to make it different, anyway.

Sure, change the pinball rule before next season. I have no objection, but it is hardly the only one that needs some tweaking.


Yes, I agree we should tweak other rules, too, most importantly the DH, which should be either eliminated or put into the NL so that each league plays the same fucking game.

However, to keep to the topic, this rule takes an error by the defense and rewards the defense for that error. That's fundamentally unfair.

What other sport has that kind of thing in place? 


.

NBA and NFL

NBA A defender gets beat so he grabs a guy to prevent an easy basket. Depending on the foul situation its either side out, or making the offensive player shoot two free throws to get what he likely should have gotten without the foul.

NFL-a cornerback holds a guy who's about to streak by him, for a 5 yard penalty and 1st down rather than give up a bigger play, maybe a TD.

EXCEPT those two examples are intentional fouls, Renfroe committed no foul or error, but merely played the game and the umps called the play as per the rule book. The Rays were unlucky.

Last night I was posting elsewhere with Sox, Tampa and Y fans and not surprisingly many of the Rays supporters called for umpire judgement to send the runner home and place Keirmeier at 3rd. Do we really want judgement calls on whether a guy would have scored from first on a "GR double"?

I also heard new rules written on the fly to fit the preffered outcome.

The rule, benefitted the Sox, but in over 60 years of watching baseball, I never saw that play before. Although I understand a very similar play took place a couple of years ago in Tampa.

And they got the same call the Sox got last night.

Which may explain why Cash wasn't so pissed.

He knew the umps made the right call.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 11:59:26 AM
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/yasmani-grandal-alds-white-sox-astros/1xpplm2ofwoxs1mlfrebyehkzn

This one is a play regarding umpire's judgment, the same as the non-interference play in the Red Sox/Rays game was. Dusty was sure Grandal was deliberately in the way of the throw.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 12:03:48 PM
https://lawprofessors.typepad.com/academic_support/2021/10/baseball-is-a-rules-based-system.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 03:03:27 PM
I am very much enjoying listening to Don Orsillo call the Brewers-Braves game.

The game is entertaining, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 03:10:17 PM
So you "understood that yesterday" when you said: "Holy crap that's a horrible call!!!  It's TOTALLY the fault if the Sox player that the ball went out of play. Tampa should play the game under protest from this point on." ?

Yes, I did.

REACTING to a play in the instant that it took place. As no one else here did.

Of course you did.

That's why you said they should play the game under protest.

You are even more illogical than I usually give you credit for.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 03:10:48 PM
No Astros White Sox game today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 11, 2021, 04:18:52 PM
Show me where the ball touched you? Okay😂😂😁😁😁😁
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 06:41:48 PM
The Brewers are going to have to scramble tomorrow.

The Giants are going to have to scramble tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 07:50:54 PM
17 pitches!

An amazing at bat from both pitcher and hitter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 08:14:16 PM
This inning isn't bad.

A few more like it would be lovely.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 09:41:37 PM
Great move in Philly!

https://sports.yahoo.com/joe-girardi-hitting-coach-kevin-long-fight-phillies-nationals-mlb-220112668.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/joe-girardi-hitting-coach-kevin-long-fight-phillies-nationals-mlb-220112668.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 09:45:45 PM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

Some of "they" are calling for a rewrite.

The umpire they quoted likes the rule the way it is - it simplifies his life.


I think this "automatic" double should get a rewrite, too. But I have felt that umpires have been screwing up ground rule doubles for decades, by not exercising their placement options.

And their refusal, the overwhelming bulk of the time, to enforce the HBP rule that allows them to not give the hitter the base has irked me forever, even before some hitters became fully armored - but now?! Wikipedia notes, "If the batter does not attempt to avoid the pitch, he is not awarded first base, and the pitch is ruled either a strike if in the strike zone or a ball if out of the strike zone. Umpires rarely make this call." Perhaps a rewrite to make it a strike or even to have the batter be out would change hitters' conduct.

Some of the unchallengeable plays need to become challengeable.

Getting rid of the 3 batter minimum and limited mound visits rules seems called for, given that this season, the average MLB game took three hours, 10 minutes and seven seconds to play, a new record high with those rules.

And get rid of the runner on 2nd base in extras if it isn't good enough for post season play! Or ditch those two prior rules for post season play, if you are going to make it different, anyway.

Sure, change the pinball rule before next season. I have no objection, but it is hardly the only one that needs some tweaking.


Yes, I agree we should tweak other rules, too, most importantly the DH, which should be either eliminated or put into the NL so that each league plays the same fucking game.

However, to keep to the topic, this rule takes an error by the defense and rewards the defense for that error. That's fundamentally unfair.

What other sport has that kind of thing in place? 


.

NBA and NFL

NBA A defender gets beat so he grabs a guy to prevent an easy basket. Depending on the foul situation its either side out, or making the offensive player shoot two free throws to get what he likely should have gotten without the foul.

NFL-a cornerback holds a guy who's about to streak by him, for a 5 yard penalty and 1st down rather than give up a bigger play, maybe a TD.

EXCEPT those two examples are intentional fouls, Renfroe committed no foul or error, but merely played the game and the umps called the play as per the rule book. The Rays were unlucky.

Last night I was posting elsewhere with Sox, Tampa and Y fans and not surprisingly many of the Rays supporters called for umpire judgement to send the runner home and place Keirmeier at 3rd. Do we really want judgement calls on whether a guy would have scored from first on a "GR double"?

I also heard new rules written on the fly to fit the preffered outcome.

The rule, benefitted the Sox, but in over 60 years of watching baseball, I never saw that play before. Although I understand a very similar play took place a couple of years ago in Tampa.

And they got the same call the Sox got last night.

Which may explain why Cash wasn't so pissed.

He knew the umps made the right call.

The problem with your NBA and NFL examples is that the defense is still punished, anf not rewarded as Boston was last night.

It's a bad rule.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 09:52:14 PM
This inning isn't bad.

A few more like it would be lovely.

Well... I asked for more like that.

I should be more careful what I ask for.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 09:54:23 PM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

Some of "they" are calling for a rewrite.

The umpire they quoted likes the rule the way it is - it simplifies his life.


I think this "automatic" double should get a rewrite, too. But I have felt that umpires have been screwing up ground rule doubles for decades, by not exercising their placement options.

And their refusal, the overwhelming bulk of the time, to enforce the HBP rule that allows them to not give the hitter the base has irked me forever, even before some hitters became fully armored - but now?! Wikipedia notes, "If the batter does not attempt to avoid the pitch, he is not awarded first base, and the pitch is ruled either a strike if in the strike zone or a ball if out of the strike zone. Umpires rarely make this call." Perhaps a rewrite to make it a strike or even to have the batter be out would change hitters' conduct.

Some of the unchallengeable plays need to become challengeable.

Getting rid of the 3 batter minimum and limited mound visits rules seems called for, given that this season, the average MLB game took three hours, 10 minutes and seven seconds to play, a new record high with those rules.

And get rid of the runner on 2nd base in extras if it isn't good enough for post season play! Or ditch those two prior rules for post season play, if you are going to make it different, anyway.

Sure, change the pinball rule before next season. I have no objection, but it is hardly the only one that needs some tweaking.


Yes, I agree we should tweak other rules, too, most importantly the DH, which should be either eliminated or put into the NL so that each league plays the same fucking game.

However, to keep to the topic, this rule takes an error by the defense and rewards the defense for that error. That's fundamentally unfair.

What other sport has that kind of thing in place? 


.

NBA and NFL

NBA A defender gets beat so he grabs a guy to prevent an easy basket. Depending on the foul situation its either side out, or making the offensive player shoot two free throws to get what he likely should have gotten without the foul.

NFL-a cornerback holds a guy who's about to streak by him, for a 5 yard penalty and 1st down rather than give up a bigger play, maybe a TD.

EXCEPT those two examples are intentional fouls, Renfroe committed no foul or error, but merely played the game and the umps called the play as per the rule book. The Rays were unlucky.

Last night I was posting elsewhere with Sox, Tampa and Y fans and not surprisingly many of the Rays supporters called for umpire judgement to send the runner home and place Keirmeier at 3rd. Do we really want judgement calls on whether a guy would have scored from first on a "GR double"?

I also heard new rules written on the fly to fit the preffered outcome.

The rule, benefitted the Sox, but in over 60 years of watching baseball, I never saw that play before. Although I understand a very similar play took place a couple of years ago in Tampa.

And they got the same call the Sox got last night.

Which may explain why Cash wasn't so pissed.

He knew the umps made the right call.

The problem with your NBA and NFL examples is that the defense is still punished, anf not rewarded as Boston was last night.

It's a bad rule.

I gave an example in which being "punished" is what a team wants.

It's still a bad rule, regardless of how it exists in other sports.

And theirs should change, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:08:02 PM
Boston has a good chance here to come back and keep from blowing this game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:12:31 PM
Got it right on that call at third base.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:13:02 PM
Got it right on that call at third base.

Hand never came off.

But not enough to overturn it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:17:38 PM
Got it right on that call at third base.

Hand never came off.

But not enough to overturn it.

Ok, Homer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:20:47 PM
Boston can redeem themselves, now.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:21:21 PM
Got it right on that call at third base.

Hand never came off.

But not enough to overturn it.

Ok, Homer.

/laughs/

There is a reason you have a folder just because of your anti-Boston posts, Ham.

You are far more anti-Boston than I am pro.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:22:07 PM
Boston can redeem themselves, now.

It would be nice if they manage to win it.

"Redeem" has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:27:04 PM
Boston can redeem themselves, now.

It would be nice if they manage to win it.

"Redeem" has nothing to do with it.

You blow a 5 run lead at home, you have to redeem.

There's a seeing-eye single to start it off.

And a bunt.

1 out, scoring position.

Sitting on redemption's doorstep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:28:30 PM
It's still a bad rule, regardless of how it exists in other sports

Except it doesn't exist in other sports.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:30:17 PM
Success!

Failure!

What'll be?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:32:51 PM
Success!

Yet another poorly hit ball. And another throwing error.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:34:00 PM
First and third.

1 out.

Best hitter up.

Don't fuck it up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:34:34 PM
Put him on!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:37:26 PM
Redemption, with help.

Poor game management by the Rays.

You have to walk that guy there.

Enjoy the gifted series, Beantown.

You sorta earned it.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:38:53 PM
It's still a bad rule, regardless of how it exists in other sports

Except it doesn't exist in other sports.

Like I said, I gave you an example. You ignore it like you always do.

So predictable.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:39:21 PM
Got it right on that call at third base.

Hand never came off.

But not enough to overturn it.

Ok, Homer.

/laughs/

There is a reason you have a folder just because of your anti-Boston posts, Ham.

You are far more anti-Boston than I am pro.

I'm just realistic, Homer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:39:35 PM
Put him on!

And they should have, but Cash chose not to.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:40:37 PM
Got it right on that call at third base.

Hand never came off.

But not enough to overturn it.

Ok, Homer.

/laughs/

There is a reason you have a folder just because of your anti-Boston posts, Ham.

You are far more anti-Boston than I am pro.

I'm just realistic self-deluded, Homer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:42:11 PM
Put him on!

And they should have, but Cash chose not to.


How long do we have to wait to find out how Alex Cora has been cheating at Fenway this season?

November? March? Next summer?

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 11, 2021, 10:43:37 PM
It's still a bad rule, regardless of how it exists in other sports

Except it doesn't exist in other sports.

Like I said, I gave you an example. You ignore it like you always do.

So predictable.

No. You didn't.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 10:51:42 PM
Put him on!

And they should have, but Cash chose not to.


How long do we have to wait to find out how Alex Cora has been cheating at Fenway this season?

November? March? Next summer?

Time will tell.

Thank you for proving my point.

You did it far better than I ever could have!

Good night, Piggy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2021, 10:58:44 PM
I ain't gonna lie, I did not expect the Sox to win this series, Tampa looked too solid all the way around.

But the Sox are resilient SOBs, who can hit and have an ability to come from behind and Cora managed through a mine field.

Its been house money for awhile, but the stack just got bigger.

GO SOX
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 11, 2021, 11:07:43 PM
They're calling for a rewrite!

https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/ (https://theathletic.com/2881684/2021/10/11/rosenthal-strange-play-in-game-3-of-red-sox-rays-shows-rule-needs-to-be-adjusted/)

Some of "they" are calling for a rewrite.

The umpire they quoted likes the rule the way it is - it simplifies his life.


I think this "automatic" double should get a rewrite, too. But I have felt that umpires have been screwing up ground rule doubles for decades, by not exercising their placement options.

And their refusal, the overwhelming bulk of the time, to enforce the HBP rule that allows them to not give the hitter the base has irked me forever, even before some hitters became fully armored - but now?! Wikipedia notes, "If the batter does not attempt to avoid the pitch, he is not awarded first base, and the pitch is ruled either a strike if in the strike zone or a ball if out of the strike zone. Umpires rarely make this call." Perhaps a rewrite to make it a strike or even to have the batter be out would change hitters' conduct.

Some of the unchallengeable plays need to become challengeable.

Getting rid of the 3 batter minimum and limited mound visits rules seems called for, given that this season, the average MLB game took three hours, 10 minutes and seven seconds to play, a new record high with those rules.

And get rid of the runner on 2nd base in extras if it isn't good enough for post season play! Or ditch those two prior rules for post season play, if you are going to make it different, anyway.

Sure, change the pinball rule before next season. I have no objection, but it is hardly the only one that needs some tweaking.


Yes, I agree we should tweak other rules, too, most importantly the DH, which should be either eliminated or put into the NL so that each league plays the same fucking game.

However, to keep to the topic, this rule takes an error by the defense and rewards the defense for that error. That's fundamentally unfair.

What other sport has that kind of thing in place? 


.

NBA and NFL

NBA A defender gets beat so he grabs a guy to prevent an easy basket. Depending on the foul situation its either side out, or making the offensive player shoot two free throws to get what he likely should have gotten without the foul.

NFL-a cornerback holds a guy who's about to streak by him, for a 5 yard penalty and 1st down rather than give up a bigger play, maybe a TD.

EXCEPT those two examples are intentional fouls, Renfroe committed no foul or error, but merely played the game and the umps called the play as per the rule book. The Rays were unlucky.

Last night I was posting elsewhere with Sox, Tampa and Y fans and not surprisingly many of the Rays supporters called for umpire judgement to send the runner home and place Keirmeier at 3rd. Do we really want judgement calls on whether a guy would have scored from first on a "GR double"?

I also heard new rules written on the fly to fit the preffered outcome.

The rule, benefitted the Sox, but in over 60 years of watching baseball, I never saw that play before. Although I understand a very similar play took place a couple of years ago in Tampa.

And they got the same call the Sox got last night.

Which may explain why Cash wasn't so pissed.

He knew the umps made the right call.

The problem with your NBA and NFL examples is that the defense is still punished, anf not rewarded as Boston was last night.

It's a bad rule.

Hammy you're wrong.

the Sox were not rewarded last night, they got exactly what the rule called for.

The Rays got a bad break which happens all the time in sports.

Seeing as that play happens once every 60 years or so, that rule seems reasonably fair to both parties without interjecting a subjective "maybe if" into the umpiring decision making process.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2021, 11:11:30 PM
Quote
How much are the Astros favored over the White Sox?

They are still a bigger favorite to get to the World Series than the Red Sox are, even though they have not won their series!
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 12:48:51 AM
The Brewers are going to have to scramble tomorrow.

The Giants are going to have to scramble tonight.

And the Giants did - scrambled to make great defensive plays, after that 1 home run.

1-0.

Helluva game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 01:26:37 AM
Quote
Players on both the Rays and Yankees admitted the effect of the crowd on the game. The sentiment from those around the team -- from the Fenway Park security guards to the players to the coaches to the front office executives -- remained the same across the board: The crowds in Boston are at another level this postseason, a near-legendary status.


Joon Lee, ESPN
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: bosox26d on October 12, 2021, 02:37:59 AM
Brandon Crawford the hand of God
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 08:57:41 AM
I ain't gonna lie, I did not expect the Sox to win this series, Tampa looked too solid all the way around.

But the Sox are resilient SOBs, who can hit and have an ability to come from behind and Cora managed through a mine field.

Its been house money for awhile, but the stack just got bigger.

GO SOX

Yes, Sox resiliency came in the form of TB errors, bad decisions by Cash, and an unprecedented misplay into a GRDB.

Congrats on the "win".

That series should be remembered more for how Tampa Bay gave it away than how the Sox "won".

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 08:59:22 AM
Quote
Players on both the Rays and Yankees admitted the effect of the crowd on the game. The sentiment from those around the team -- from the Fenway Park security guards to the players to the coaches to the front office executives -- remained the same across the board: The crowds in Boston are at another level this postseason, a near-legendary status.


Joon Lee, ESPN

Alcohol.

And they do have a rep for getting on certain players: https://deadspin.com/cc-sabathia-says-every-black-player-expects-racist-taun-1794851777 (https://deadspin.com/cc-sabathia-says-every-black-player-expects-racist-taun-1794851777)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 12, 2021, 09:04:07 AM
Hamilton Samuels would like to remind everybody that he HATES the Red Sox and their fans!!  Just in case we aren't paying attention.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 09:06:43 AM
Giants defense shining brightly.

Best series so far, and most on the East aren't even seeing it, as MLB has decided there's no need to play baseball under the sun anymore.

Giants could win it in LA, tonight, which would KILL Dodgers fans all over the world, and have Tommy LaSordid spinning in his grave.

Go, G-Men!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 09:08:24 AM
Hamilton Samuels would like to remind everybody that he HATES the Red Sox and their fans!!  Just in case we aren't paying attention.

Chirping from your safe spot in the trees, again, baboon?

No, hate. Read the tag line.

Can't help it if the most hypersensitive fans are New Englanders.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 12, 2021, 09:10:47 AM
I'll only talk baseball with people who know something about it.  Sorry.

Have fun though!

I do appreciate the toughness you bring; the fight through the muck and the mire; the hard-nosed take no-prisoners, speaking truth to power approach you take on an Internet message Board, tough guy.  You're certainly no one to be trifled with.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 12, 2021, 09:15:17 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot the stark realism and lack of sentimentality you bring to all that you post.  It's appreciated!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 09:20:01 AM
I'll only talk baseball with people who know something about it.  Sorry.

Have fun though!

I do appreciate the toughness you bring; the fight through the muck and the mire; the hard-nosed take no-prisoners, speaking truth to power approach you take on an Internet message Board, tough guy.  You're certainly no one to be trifled with.

How would you know that someone knew something about it, being that you are so ignorant on the subject?

Given your massive personal courage and great skill at running your mouth while providing nothing here but snark, if you would like to trifle with me in person, I am sure we can make the arrangement. Just use that little Messages section of the menu up above, roughneck.

And be sure to sign the waivers that will be provided. I know you need the money, so we don't want to be providing for you the rest of your life, in the aftermath.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 12, 2021, 09:26:23 AM
I've been challenged to a duel!! Pass.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 09:39:41 AM
I've been challenged to a duel!! Pass.

Good move.

But you brought the challenge.

Not me.

Have a good day, Yank.

Thanks for playing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 12, 2021, 09:41:02 AM
But you brought the challenge.  Sure I did.

You've claimed to know where I live.  Come visit!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2021, 09:45:20 AM
Hammy is an idiot troll-that will not change.

Imagine if no baseball team took advantage or was victimized by an error or bad pitching, or poor managing or luck?

We can't as it seldom happens where two perfect teams play perfect baseball.

But our resident troll, blames the Sox for taking advantage of what they could against a very good team.

Oh and the Sox beat a very good team 3  out of 4 games.

The Rays are a very good team, but the Sox were the better team in that series.

and most baseball fans understood that.

And most would understand the trolling of a poor-sport troll. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 09:52:35 AM
Banks represents a fan base that refuses to acknowledge how it was just given a series in much the same way that Bill Buckner and his teammates gave it away to the Mets in '86.


Guess that was different, though, right?

Heh


 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2021, 10:09:41 AM
I only represent myself in these matters, though I suspect many Sox fans hold a similar belief that the Sox are a resilient team as proven by the inordinate # of CFBW they pulled off this year.  In the Rays series the Sox got pounded in the first game, 5-0, and were down 5-2 after their 2nd game hope Chris Sale was abused in the 1st inning for 5 runs. They were in a huge hole, but for various reasons, including some awesome bullpen work, and a savage offensive attack, they won the game. The last 2 games were nail-biters and very good games for baseball fans to watch. But yes the Red Sox got lucky with a bouncing ball.

Imagine that a game where the bounce of a ball comes into play hundreds of time, the Sox got lucky on a bounce?

And as to your non sequitor example, which was stupid and was irrelevant, the '86 Sox lost and the '86 Mets won for a variety of reasons, far too many to discuss in a post to a idiot troll.

btw you should probably shit your pants in private, your embarassing yourself and you're starting to smell like shit.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 10:17:58 AM
I only represent myself in these matters, though I suspect many Sox fans hold a similar belief that the Sox are a resilient team as proven by the inordinate # of CFBW they pulled off this year.  In the Rays series the Sox got pounded in the first game, 5-0, and were down 5-2 after their 2nd game hope Chris Sale was abused in the 1st inning for 5 runs. They were in a huge hole, but for various reasons, including some awesome bullpen work, and a savage offensive attack, they won the game. The last 2 games were nail-biters and very good games for baseball fans to watch. But yes the Red Sox got lucky with a bouncing ball.

Imagine that a game where the bounce of a ball comes into play hundreds of time, the Sox got lucky on a bounce?

And as to your non sequitor example, which was stupid and was irellevant, the '86 Sox lost and the '86 Mets won for a variety of reasons, far too many to discuss in a post to a idiot troll.

btw you should probably shit your pants in private, your embarassing yourself and your starting to smell like shit.

No, you're pretty much representative of the base. The last two games you blew leads and got bailed out by luck and mismanagement. You probably can't see that, though, since you're too busy trying to retrofit reality into your personal distortion box.



And "gets by Buckner" is no different than the misplay be Diaz at third to bring Kiki to the plate, and we don't have to remind you of Grady Little to critique Cash for pitching to Kiki with first base open, and needing a force play at home or a potential inning ending DP in the 9th, last night.

But you go ahead and strut like Foghorn Leghorn, today, because Boston ain't going to win the World Series. It will be blaming others for the loss, though, when it inevitably comes.

And, btw, you should GFY, instead of the neighbor's dog.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 10:28:09 AM
Hamilton Samuels would like to remind everybody that he HATES the Red Sox and their fans!!  Just in case we aren't paying attention.

Nailed it in one, Yank.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2021, 10:29:09 AM
I get a chuckle from the "Choi had to block that ball or the game could have been over"

Tough play - put PICK IT!  Put yourself out there, be a hero.

Does Cash have a better defender to put there?  Debatable for sure.

Yeah - tough tos ee Sox didnt just rake and win it.  But great AB by Kee-kay to do the job - I thought they might have walked him.

Congrats to manager ALEX and the gang.  That 16-1 looks OK right now as Astros and White Sox I see as beatable entities and Giants just have to crash sooner or later.  Dont they?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2021, 10:30:15 AM
Oh yeah - one more thing -



WHITLOCK!!!!!!


(not having Robles try to save it was a Godsend)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2021, 10:36:40 AM
HamilSam -

who do you have winning it all?

Dodgers certainly not looking like their best self.

I am pulling for Chicago, then Milwaukee.  Each could end today.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 10:44:45 AM
Alcohol!

https://www.njonlinegambling.com/mlb-fans-who-drink-the-most/

It's funny listening to Ham tell us how the Boston fans will blame others when we ultimately fail to win the World Series, while he is blaming everybody and their neighbors for our winning.

And if players are distracted or unnerved by our fans, that's not the players' fault. Nope. Nor the fans' enthusiasm. Must be some combination of drink and racism.

The master of fingerpointing has accused us of fingerpointing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 10:49:54 AM
On the subject of drinking at sporting events, it looks like MLB fans are far more restrained than fans of other sports, with the exception of the NCAA fans, but given the latter group's ages, that's a good thing.

https://www.lines.com/nfl/game-day-drinking-which-sports-fan-consume-the-most-alcohol-560

Philly fans are 50% more likely to binge drink during a game than Boston fans and nearly double as likely to smoke pot during a game.

Not that they are at the top, by any means, but the Boston fans are near the bottom. Puritanism, I'm sure, will be the claim, rather than that the fans just might actually care more about the game than getting plastered or stoned.

I was interested to note that almost everybody drinks more at the game than at home.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2021, 10:56:54 AM
Sometimes you do get the breaks


https://fansided.com/2021/10/11/ron-kulpa-red-sox-terrible-call-wander-franco/?a_aid=41091&fbclid=IwAR2SuE7I-yY-EeEIQ3clDRMtyY5vhnFzhzex1erkMMgNW4M-zmuS5p9AHCw
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 11:04:20 AM
Astros cheating again?

https://nypost.com/2021/10/11/white-sox-pitcher-ryan-tepera-suggests-astros-could-be-cheating-again/ (https://nypost.com/2021/10/11/white-sox-pitcher-ryan-tepera-suggests-astros-could-be-cheating-again/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 11:05:46 AM
Sometimes you do get the breaks


https://fansided.com/2021/10/11/ron-kulpa-red-sox-terrible-call-wander-franco/?a_aid=41091&fbclid=IwAR2SuE7I-yY-EeEIQ3clDRMtyY5vhnFzhzex1erkMMgNW4M-zmuS5p9AHCw

That was an awful call.

But I've hated the balls and strikes calling throughout the postseason and during much of the year, as I have previously noted.

And I don't know if Culpa has something against Franco, but I am sure some umps have issues with individual players, teams, races, etc.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 11:10:12 AM
HamilSam -

who do you have winning it all?

Dodgers certainly not looking like their best self.

I am pulling for Chicago, then Milwaukee.  Each could end today.

The team that pitches the best and plays the best D and has the most depth usually wins.

Which looks like SFG.

If they beat LA, they will win it all with an older squad of dudes who just know how to play the game.

Then again, they have Gabe The Meddler Kaplan managing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2021, 11:16:52 AM
Astros cheating again?

https://nypost.com/2021/10/11/white-sox-pitcher-ryan-tepera-suggests-astros-could-be-cheating-again/ (https://nypost.com/2021/10/11/white-sox-pitcher-ryan-tepera-suggests-astros-could-be-cheating-again/)




All we have to do is execute pitches and they cannot hit them anyways.




Yeppp...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2021, 12:08:44 PM
Where it began, I can't begin to knowing
But then I know they've played so long
They won in the spring
But spring turned to a bummer
Who'd have believed they'd again turn Boston strong?
Hands, swinging bats, throw balls
Reaching out, to crooked umps, getting calls


Sweet Hamilton
Good times never seemed so good

so good

so good

LMAO


Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 06:59:59 PM
That was almost an amazing catch by the Brewers' 3rd baseman from the catcher!

That they are calling the batter out is beyond me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 07:03:41 PM
Red Sox and White Sox - 0 (0%)
Red Sox and Astros - 3 (50%)
Rays and White Sox - 2 (33.3%)
Rays and Astros - 1 (16.7%)

Three of us called it right for both teams. One other of us got the Astros.

Time for the next poll!
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 07:12:28 PM
That was almost an amazing catch by the Brewers' 3rd baseman from the catcher!

That they are calling the batter out is beyond me.

Because it is not reviewable?!

What kind of bs is that?!

There's a fine example of a rule that needs changing a whole lot faster than the pinball rule.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2021, 07:39:17 PM
That was almost an amazing catch by the Brewers' 3rd baseman from the catcher!

That they are calling the batter out is beyond me.

What happened?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 12, 2021, 07:47:54 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/giants/amp/Dodgers-pitcher-Blake-Treinen-ig-prophet-of-god-16525068.php (https://www.sfgate.com/giants/amp/Dodgers-pitcher-Blake-Treinen-ig-prophet-of-god-16525068.php)

Should the Commissioner suspend this Dodger pitcher?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2021, 08:02:26 PM
Bullock has prayed for the fire to fall on the American government and for God to remove the fraudulent government leaders from the nation, so that the world may breathe.



It's working
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 12, 2021, 08:13:08 PM
Astros and Sox again.

This time they host us to start.

Sox got to knock them down

and knock them down

and knock them down again.

They'll thanks us eventually.

Because as many Texans are learning its better to get knocked down than knocked up in Texas.

had to

 
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 10:10:56 PM
That was almost an amazing catch by the Brewers' 3rd baseman from the catcher!

That they are calling the batter out is beyond me.

What happened?

Pop foul near the stands.

Catcher almost catches it, but it bounces out of his glove toward the field.

Third baseman dives and appears to have caught the ball before it hit the ground.

Batter called out.

His manager objects. The umps talk together and then put headsets on.

The replays clearly show the ball hit the ground.

The call stands because it is not a reviewable play, even though the truth is visible to all concerned.


The good news is that it seems to have no impact on the outcome of the game. The player called out was for the team that won.

But... how can that not be reversed or reviewed?!
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 12, 2021, 10:51:37 PM
Mookie Betts, doing his part to ensure a fifth game, back in SF.

Still early in this one, though.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 13, 2021, 12:53:11 AM
Back to SF they go for game 5.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2021, 12:58:02 AM
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-mlb-predictions/

The Astros are a heavy (61-39) favorite to make it to the World Series over the Red Sox.

The Dodgers are a small favorite to win game 5 over the Giants, 53-47.

The Braves are even less favored to make it to the World Series than the Red Sox, so heavily favored are both of the West Coast teams. They're at only 34%.

Yet the Red Sox are at the bottom of the barrel for winning the World Series, at 14%. The Astros are at 26%.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 09:46:08 AM
Actions have consequences.

Hader is not an eighth inning guy. During the season, he threw exactly two innings in the eighth and 52⅔ in the ninth. For Milwaukee, the eighth inning was Devin Williams' domain, but he was out with a hand injury suffered during a late-season temper tantrum.


At the time of his injury CNN reported: Williams told reporters on Wednesday that he had too much to drink and got "frustrated and upset" over something on his way home after celebrating the Brewers' National League Central title on Sunday. He said he punched a wall with his pitching hand.

"I'm pretty upset with myself," Williams said. "There's no one to blame but me. I feel like I've let my team down, our coaching staff, our fans, everyone. I know how important of a role I play on this team and a lot of people count on me."



Way go go, Devin.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 13, 2021, 09:47:59 AM
Dusty Baker won the battle of the two most arrogant managers in MLB.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 13, 2021, 09:49:09 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/2021-mlb-playoff-expert-predictions

A chance to reflect on the MLB playoff predictions.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 06:58:26 AM
I've never seen such love for a hitting coach.

https://www.mlb.com/news/kevin-long-joins-phillies-as-hitting-coach (https://www.mlb.com/news/kevin-long-joins-phillies-as-hitting-coach)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 11:04:30 AM
GAME FIVE!!!!

If Dodgers lose I am out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 11:10:44 AM
I know folks made their predictions for this series, but has your mind changed based on how the series has gone?

Are we still evenly split between the Dodgers and Giants?

Who wins tonight?!

I still expect the Dodgers to win.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 14, 2021, 11:17:17 AM
I'll stick with the Dodgers and hope to go 4 for 4.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2021, 11:46:27 AM
I think pre-season I had the Dodgers beating the Twins in the World Series. I was sure the Twins would finally exorcise their Bronx demons and play deep into the fall. I got it wrong. Mostly indifferent about who wins tonight. A little more invested in Friday's game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 12:06:50 PM
A little more invested in Friday's game.

Well, yes.

Me, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 14, 2021, 12:07:56 PM
I think I have been wrong on all of my picks to date. So congratulations on making the World Series Boston!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 12:24:51 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2949326-cheating-scandals-injuries-and-slumps-dont-matter-the-astros-are-inevitable

Contrary to the story, the Dodgers are still the favorites to win the World Series and they haven't even gotten to the playoff with the Braves!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2021, 12:29:04 PM
I think I have been wrong on all of my picks to date. So congratulations on making the World Series Boston!
in 1986 I was in a massive NYC sportbar for Game 6 of the WS, one of just a handful of Sox fans in a club filled with Met fans, and I was taking shit all night, the worst from foul mouthed "ladies" who suggested certain things I do to myself, I had never really considered. But as the Sox were 1 pitch away some SOB in the blue and orange congratulated me. I yelled at him, NO!". It was the most savage most cruel yet exquisite deployment of reverse MOJO I had ever. The guy was a malevolent wizard of dark magic.  I can still hear his evil chuckle on cold October nights.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 14, 2021, 12:29:56 PM
Most every line I"ve seen have the Dodgers as favorites.  I think betting baseball is nuts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 12:43:36 PM
Most every line I"ve seen have the Dodgers as favorites.  I think betting baseball is nuts.

I don't think I have ever waged real money on sports, except to 'fit in' with corporate culture on football betting cards - and not often even then.

Big enough odds and I might throw away a few bucks. Might.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 12:45:07 PM
Most every line I"ve seen have the Dodgers as favorites.  I think betting baseball is nuts.

But MLB thinks betting on baseball is good. That's why they run game odds on the scroll on MLBTV. That's why they're in bed with Draft Kings. That's why if you go on MLB.com, you can link to this site: https://www.mlb.com/apps/rally/quickpick/ (https://www.mlb.com/apps/rally/quickpick/)

Betting on baseball; or why Pete Rose can't get in the Hall of Fame, because he bet on baseball, was judged by baseball and the writers whose livelihood depends on the game was judged to be morally wrong.

However, MLB is wholeheartedly endorsing, promoting, and enabling betting on baseball, which is morally right. 

Got that?




 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 14, 2021, 12:50:19 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2949326-cheating-scandals-injuries-and-slumps-dont-matter-the-astros-are-inevitable

Contrary to the story, the Dodgers are still the favorites to win the World Series and they haven't even gotten to the playoff with the Braves!
I haven't done the math, but the Giants -115 (approximate) are slight favorites tonight. The LAD  are -105. Right now Atlanta should be the NL favorite. But once tonight's game is over, they should be a big dog as new money comes in.   

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 12:56:37 PM
Giants have won THIRTEEN straight Webb starts at home

I would call this a rather strong trend
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 12:58:56 PM
The bottom line on the Dodgers/Giants series is that MLB will have more pressure on it to change the play-off structure. It shouldn't be that the two teams with the best records in the league face off prior to the championship game. it shouldn't be that the team with the second best record has to play a play-in game to get into the play-offs.

So, I hope that the outcome of this series forces at least that change, where all teams are first seeded by record, and the reseeded after each advance in the play-offs.

So, in the NL, it should've been ATL v STL, followed by winner to play SF, and LAD to play the Brewers, and then those winners face each other.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 12:59:16 PM
Most every line I"ve seen have the Dodgers as favorites.  I think betting baseball is nuts.

ASTROS the current favorite - at 2/1
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 01:00:14 PM
Giants have won THIRTEEN straight Webb starts at home

I would call this a rather strong trend

The Dodgers are throwing Urias. The press loves Urias.

That bodes well for the Giants.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 14, 2021, 01:03:00 PM
Most every line I"ve seen have the Dodgers as favorites.  I think betting baseball is nuts.

ASTROS the current favorite - at 2/1
Agreed.  I made a mistake there. My bad. Meant the Astros. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 01:08:56 PM
Giants have won THIRTEEN straight Webb starts at home

I would call this a rather strong trend

The Dodgers are throwing Urias. The press loves Urias.

That bodes well for the Giants.

Dodgers have won Julio's last TWELVE starts, including SEVEN on the road, 2 in San Fran

Strong trend 2 may trump the first
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 01:49:54 PM
Certainly one of those trends has to give.

(he said, profoundly)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 14, 2021, 02:21:33 PM
Certainly one of those trends has to give.

(he said, profoundly)
You have a future in TV punditry.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 14, 2021, 02:40:31 PM
RIP Ray Fosse, a man whose career was ruined because some overhyped overrated Johnny Gung Ho asswipe singles hitter decided to treat an exhibition game like fucking Game 7.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 03:27:12 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-shildt-dismissed-by-cardinals

Difference of opinion on the direction of the ball club.

Right.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 03:30:38 PM
The bottom line on the Dodgers/Giants series is that MLB will have more pressure on it to change the play-off structure. It shouldn't be that the two teams with the best records in the league face off prior to the championship game. it shouldn't be that the team with the second best record has to play a play-in game to get into the play-offs.

So, I hope that the outcome of this series forces at least that change, where all teams are first seeded by record, and the reseeded after each advance in the play-offs.

So, in the NL, it should've been ATL v STL, followed by winner to play SF, and LAD to play the Brewers, and then those winners face each other.

I don't think a 1 game play in for a division champ is proper.  O think you mean after LA wins the WC then they seed by record
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 03:33:05 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-shildt-dismissed-by-cardinals

Difference of opinion on the direction of the ball club.

Right.

Does Dusty have to beat Boston to stay employed?  I know some in Tampa that want Cash out
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 03:48:42 PM
RIP Ray Fosse, a man whose career was ruined because some overhyped overrated Johnny Gung Ho asswipe singles hitter decided to treat an exhibition game like fucking Game 7.


Surprised that he lived this long, wearing the humiliating stain of defeat upon his sunken chest, and never quite understanding that the goal of the professional game is to win it and not just show up, which remains acceptable in backwater towns like Cleveland, OH, East Lansing, MI and Old Esquireville, AZ.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 03:50:41 PM
The bottom line on the Dodgers/Giants series is that MLB will have more pressure on it to change the play-off structure. It shouldn't be that the two teams with the best records in the league face off prior to the championship game. it shouldn't be that the team with the second best record has to play a play-in game to get into the play-offs.

So, I hope that the outcome of this series forces at least that change, where all teams are first seeded by record, and the reseeded after each advance in the play-offs.

So, in the NL, it should've been ATL v STL, followed by winner to play SF, and LAD to play the Brewers, and then those winners face each other.

I don't think a 1 game play in for a division champ is proper.  O think you mean after LA wins the WC then they seed by record

Nope, accept the top 5 teams in each league by record, then seed by record. If this means abandoning divisions, so be it.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 14, 2021, 03:56:03 PM
RIP Ray Fosse, a man whose career was ruined because some overhyped overrated Johnny Gung Ho asswipe singles hitter decided to treat an exhibition game like fucking Game 7.


Surprised that he lived this long,
Yes, 16 years battling cancer is a long time. Fought, as the say, the good fight against inevitability.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 03:56:40 PM
Certainly one of those trends has to give.

(he said, profoundly)

Put forth by a woman on MLB Radio, today, I kid you not: The team that wins will have to play good baseball.

Just guessing that she has little experience actually playing baseball, but I could be wrong. Still, the male broadcaster with her, Ryan Spilborghs, was quick to agree. What else could he say? Thank you, Captain Obvious?

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 04:03:31 PM
RIP Ray Fosse, a man whose career was ruined because some overhyped overrated Johnny Gung Ho asswipe singles hitter decided to treat an exhibition game like fucking Game 7.


Surprised that he lived this long,
Yes, 16 years battling cancer is a long time. Fought, as the say, the good fight against inevitability.


Sorry, and it's not your fault, but you've triggered me with that last sentence.

One doesn't fight cancer. One gets it and either survives or doesn't. It's not a battle, and framing it as such fits our need to see things in terms of wins and losses, while ignoring the scientific reality of the disease itself.

But it doesn't help anyone who has it to see it as a battle, especially, when ultimately framing it as such is merely setting them up to feel a sense of failure once they've succumbed to that inevitability to which you've referred.

Apologies to anyone who is sensitive to this discussion, but I've seen too many people die from cancer, and none of them were ever helped by framing their last few years, months, weeks and days as a "fight" to the finish.

Sorry for the Fosse family, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 04:17:40 PM
Put forth by a woman on MLB Radio, today, I kid you not: The team that wins will have to play good baseball.


A-Rodish
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 14, 2021, 04:20:33 PM
RIP Ray Fosse, a man whose career was ruined because some overhyped overrated Johnny Gung Ho asswipe singles hitter decided to treat an exhibition game like fucking Game 7.


Surprised that he lived this long,
Yes, 16 years battling cancer is a long time. Fought, as the say, the good fight against inevitability.


Sorry, and it's not your fault, but you've triggered me with that last sentence.

One doesn't fight cancer. One gets it and either survives or doesn't. It's not a battle, and framing it as such fits our need to see things in terms of wins and losses, while ignoring the scientific reality of the disease itself.

But it doesn't help anyone who has it to see it as a battle, especially, when ultimately framing it as such is merely setting them up to feel a sense of failure once they've succumbed to that inevitability to which you've referred.

Apologies to anyone who is sensitive to this discussion, but I've seen too many people die from cancer, and none of them were ever helped by framing their last few years, months, weeks and days as a "fight" to the finish.

Sorry for the Fosse family, too.

The word "inevitability" is certainly improper.  Many survive cancer.  But I do agree that there is a certain FIGHT to it.  On those rough days...especially fighting to keep an appearance for loved ones.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 05:09:45 PM
RIP Ray Fosse, a man whose career was ruined because some overhyped overrated Johnny Gung Ho asswipe singles hitter decided to treat an exhibition game like fucking Game 7.


Surprised that he lived this long,
Yes, 16 years battling cancer is a long time. Fought, as the say, the good fight against inevitability.


Sorry, and it's not your fault, but you've triggered me with that last sentence.

One doesn't fight cancer. One gets it and either survives or doesn't. It's not a battle, and framing it as such fits our need to see things in terms of wins and losses, while ignoring the scientific reality of the disease itself.

But it doesn't help anyone who has it to see it as a battle, especially, when ultimately framing it as such is merely setting them up to feel a sense of failure once they've succumbed to that inevitability to which you've referred.

Apologies to anyone who is sensitive to this discussion, but I've seen too many people die from cancer, and none of them were ever helped by framing their last few years, months, weeks and days as a "fight" to the finish.

Sorry for the Fosse family, too.

The word "inevitability" is certainly improper.  Many survive cancer.  But I do agree that there is a certain FIGHT to it.  On those rough days...especially fighting to keep an appearance for loved ones.

As I said, one survives cancer or one doesn't.

Fighting to maintain composure and showing strength in the face of adversity for the sake of others? That's different. But not the same as the framing of "battling cancer" or "fighting cancer" or "declaring war on cancer" and all that other bullshit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2021, 05:14:04 PM
One doesn't fight cancer. One gets it and either survives or doesn't.

One fights cancer by accepting treatment. One fights cancer by making lifestyle changes that improve your odds. One fights cancer through attitude.

One choose to not fight cancer by refusing treatment.

It is unfortunate that you find that phrasing triggering, but it is how those I've known with it viewed it, both those who worked to survive it and those who chose not to make that kind of effort or to allow others to make it on their behalves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 14, 2021, 05:29:44 PM
Certainly one of those trends has to give.

(he said, profoundly)

Put forth by a woman on MLB Radio, today, I kid you not: The team that wins will have to play good baseball.

Just guessing that she has little experience actually playing baseball, but I could be wrong. Still, the male broadcaster with her, Ryan Spilborghs, was quick to agree. What else could he say? Thank you, Captain Obvious?
Probably she has played as much baseball as most tv pundits, all of whom mouth similar bullsbit.

One of my favorite broadcaster memories involved a local sportscaster who breathlessly announced the the Indians faced a "must win" game. It was the third game of the season.

I also recall I think it was Jack Youngblood talking of how, in the huddle during a playoff game, players kept saying there was no tomorrow and he kept wondering if they were going to be disappointed when they woke up on Monday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 14, 2021, 10:32:23 PM
This home plate umpire isn't having a good game.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:28:06 AM
What an amazing game!

Scherzer coming in for the save for the Dodgers, on two days rest. Shades of Alex Cora (among others).

Will it work?!
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:36:52 AM
What an amazing game!

Scherzer coming in for the save for the Dodgers, on two days rest. Shades of Alex Cora (among others).

Will it work?!

Quote
"Scherzer has never had a professional save. He's one out away from the biggest one of his career!"

I didn't think the batter swung. Not even close.

But there it is, the biggest save of Scherzer's career.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2021, 12:40:54 AM
Either did the 1st base ump. That was all check swing
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 15, 2021, 12:42:22 AM
Congrats to the LAD.
And condolences to the SFG you got screwed.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:42:44 AM
Who had Dodgers and Braves?

Dodgers and Braves - 1 (16.7%)

Dodgers and Brewers - 2 (33.3%)

Giants and Braves - 0 (0%)

Giants and Brewers - 3 (50%)
Title: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:45:21 AM
The NLCS poll is up for a bit less than 2 days.

Besides winners, what sorts of predictions do you want to make?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:46:41 AM
Either did the 1st base ump. That was all check swing

An awful way for that game to end. Just awful.

A great game by both teams.

And Mookie - 4 for 4!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:51:38 AM
According to 538:

Dodgers   74% chance of getting to the WS;   54% chance of winning the WS
Astros   61% chance of getting to the WS;   22% chance of winning the WS
Braves   26% chance of getting to the WS;   13% chance of winning the WS
Red Sox   39% chance of getting to the WS;   11% chance of winning the WS

As I said yesterday, the Dodgers are the favorites, not the Astros.

The Sox have a better chance of making the WS than the Braves, but even so a lower chance of winning it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 08:34:00 AM
Congrats to the LAD.
And condolences to the SFG you got screwed.

Sucks most for the umpire

Wilmer wasnt hitting Scherzer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 09:02:15 AM
Either did the 1st base ump. That was all check swing

Maybe he had a dinner date. Wondering if it was the ump who was working his first playoffs?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 09:04:26 AM
Congrats to the LAD.
And condolences to the SFG you got screwed.

Sucks most for the umpire

Wilmer wasnt hitting Scherzer.

He only needed to walk.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 09:07:16 AM
According to 538:

Dodgers   74% chance of getting to the WS;   54% chance of winning the WS
Astros   61% chance of getting to the WS;   22% chance of winning the WS
Braves   26% chance of getting to the WS;   13% chance of winning the WS
Red Sox   39% chance of getting to the WS;   11% chance of winning the WS

As I said yesterday, the Dodgers are the favorites, not the Astros.

The Sox have a better chance of making the WS than the Braves, but even so a lower chance of winning it.

It's a pretty fucking boring way of looking at baseball, reducing to some stathead's computer simulation crap.

Bring something interesting, Josh.

Talk about matchups or will Sale pitch well or who is hated more than the Astros or???

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 15, 2021, 09:08:27 AM
There is literally no checked swing rule in the rulebook.  I think the first or third base umpires are just guessing. 

Back in the day there was no appeal to the first or third base umpire as to whether a called non-swing was in fact a swing.

I've got no problem going back to those days.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 11:31:03 AM
How bout you just fix the current poll?
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 15, 2021, 11:32:04 AM
Who had Dodgers and Braves?

Dodgers and Braves - 1 (16.7%)

Dodgers and Brewers - 2 (33.3%)

Giants and Braves - 0 (0%)

Giants and Brewers - 3 (50%)
I did.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 11:34:45 AM
How bout you just fix the current poll?

Fixed. Sorry.
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
Who had Dodgers and Braves?

Dodgers and Braves - 1 (16.7%)

Dodgers and Brewers - 2 (33.3%)

Giants and Braves - 0 (0%)

Giants and Brewers - 3 (50%)
I did.

Congratulations!
Title: Re: NLDS!
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 15, 2021, 11:37:40 AM
Who had Dodgers and Braves?

Dodgers and Braves - 1 (16.7%)

Dodgers and Brewers - 2 (33.3%)

Giants and Braves - 0 (0%)

Giants and Brewers - 3 (50%)
I did.

Congratulations!
Thanks.  Likely the first prediction I've ever gotten correct.  There's a reason I don't wager on sports.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:04:41 PM
Anybody interested in a Zoom during one of the baseball games from either NLCS or ALCS?

I have a pro account and could set it up easily enough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 12:14:51 PM
Maybe Gabe Morales would want to do some reading, today?

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/gabe-morales-wikipedia-page-changed-after-controversial-nlds-call (https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/gabe-morales-wikipedia-page-changed-after-controversial-nlds-call)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 12:19:48 PM
Maybe Gabe Morales would want to do some reading, today?

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/gabe-morales-wikipedia-page-changed-after-controversial-nlds-call (https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/gabe-morales-wikipedia-page-changed-after-controversial-nlds-call)

Wicked.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 02:34:30 PM
Maybe Gabe Morales would want to do some reading, today?

https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/gabe-morales-wikipedia-page-changed-after-controversial-nlds-call (https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/giants/gabe-morales-wikipedia-page-changed-after-controversial-nlds-call)

Wicked.

Wicked-pedia.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on October 15, 2021, 06:21:40 PM

The St. Louis Cardinals on firing their manager despite winning a wild-card spot:

a lot of times these decisions aren't based just on the season. More to the point, it is  directionally where we want to go.

Oh.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on October 15, 2021, 06:42:47 PM


Major League Baseball today announced the Major League Umpires who have been assigned to the 2021 League Championship Series presented by loanDepot. Beginning tonight at Houston
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 06:48:14 PM

The St. Louis Cardinals on firing their manager despite winning a wild-card spot:

a lot of times these decisions aren't based just on the season. More to the point, it is  directionally where we want to go.

Oh.

Yes, I had that reaction, upthread.

"He wants to keep winning, but we're not so sure about that..."

I doubt he will remain unemployed long!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 08:24:00 PM
First half inning. Two groundballs, two hits, two walks.

Let's see how Sale does!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 08:50:49 PM
"He wants to keep winning, but we are not so sure about that..."


They didn't win
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 08:55:04 PM
"He wants to keep winning, but we are not so sure about that..."


They didn't win

Think the Cards make it even to the WC game next season?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 09:24:30 PM
Amazing catch by Kike.

Then the interview with Dusty Baker:

"He's been making all the pitches."

WHAM!

A few pitches and another run later, new pitcher.

I do wish they had reviewed the pitch on the HBP, but oh well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 09:29:17 PM
"He wants to keep winning, but we are not so sure about that..."


They didn't win

Think the Cards make it even to the WC game next season?!

You want me to pick now?

I think its about getting a bit further...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 09:38:15 PM
"He wants to keep winning, but we are not so sure about that..."


They didn't win

Think the Cards make it even to the WC game next season?!

You want me to pick now?

I think its about getting a bit further...

Pick? No.

Opine. Do you think they will do better without him than they did with him?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 09:53:29 PM
The ALCS features the Battle of the Bad Stadiums this year. 

Expect an arcade version of baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 09:55:45 PM
Is Smoltz being paid by the word?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 15, 2021, 09:57:07 PM
Dmoltz knows what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 10:03:13 PM
Dmoltz knows what he's talking about.

Maybe, but I just heard him talking about how in the NL, it will be starters going long the day after the Dodgers ran two relievers out for the 1st and 2nd inning of their finale with the Giants.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 10:10:57 PM
Too many "strikes" by this ump.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 10:18:02 PM
Dmoltz knows what he's talking about.

Maybe, but I just heard him talking about how in the NL, it will be starters going long the day after the Dodgers ran two relievers out for the 1st and 2nd inning of their finale with the Giants.

You missed WHY Dave Roberts did this

Lets just say this - Flores facing Scherzer - a horrible Giants matchup - was the result.

I do think the NL starters go longer- takes no genius to think so
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 10:41:31 PM
Dmoltz knows what he's talking about.

Maybe, but I just heard him talking about how in the NL, it will be starters going long the day after the Dodgers ran two relievers out for the 1st and 2nd inning of their finale with the Giants.

You missed WHY Dave Roberts did this

Lets just say this - Flores facing Scherzer - a horrible Giants matchup - was the result.

I do think the NL starters go longer- takes no genius to think so

I didn't miss why Roberts did it.

My point is that the NL is not doing what Smoltz said they are.

And in 2021, the top 3 teams in IP/GS are AL teams. Yes, 10 NL teams were above the league average, but only 8 AL teams, but that's a pretty miniscule difference.

If you want to figure out the average, be my guest. I think you'll discover that the gap is negligible.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 11:04:16 PM
Houck was not brilliant tonight.

Tie game.

"It's a whole new ball game."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 11:04:32 PM
My point is that the NL is not doing what Smoltz said they are.



Sure they are

Have fun chasing your tail on this one
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2021, 11:06:22 PM
My point is that the NL is not doing what Smoltz said they are.



Sure they are

Have fun chasing your tail on this one

Eat shit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 11:17:17 PM
Good game.

Seven of these?

Other series should also be good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 11:29:42 PM
Quick pitching MF taken deeeeeeeep.

heh

Cant help but feel Boston will respond.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 15, 2021, 11:57:25 PM
Whitlock only when winning or tied, I suppose.

edit:  even then - not used for bottom 7 in 3-3 game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2021, 12:00:42 AM
WOW - why is Plawecki not in front of the plate?

edit:  turned out to be the difference
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2021, 12:28:07 AM
winnable game that got away.

damn

I winced as soon as that meatball left Houck's hand.

pretty good game

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2021, 12:53:51 AM
winnable game that got away.

damn

I winced as soon as that meatball left Houck's hand.

pretty good game

I winced as soon as Robles was put in. I winced more with Sawamura. There is a reason he was left off the ALDS roster.

And... Santana instead of Renfroe?! Shaw instead of Vasquez in that scenario? Ah, well.

Cora pushes far more right buttons than wrong ones.

It was a good game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2021, 09:01:59 AM
Dmoltz knows what he's talking about.

Maybe, but I just heard him talking about how in the NL, it will be starters going long the day after the Dodgers ran two relievers out for the 1st and 2nd inning of their finale with the Giants.

I'm sure you know more than Smoltz about baseball. Didn't you write your thesis for your Masters on the difference between a starter and an opener and their value within each league?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2021, 09:07:05 AM
winnable game that got away.

damn

 

I think that is called a blown game.

Ask Mitch Wiliams or Joe Table or Armando Benitez. They can affirm.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2021, 09:10:24 AM
From the NYPost:

The Astros are not expected to retain Correa, whose suitors could include the Tigers, Phillies and Rangers as the Yankees monitor the rich shortstop free-agent crop that also includes the Mets
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 16, 2021, 09:17:12 AM
Can't figure the Mets' interest in Correa.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2021, 10:09:27 AM
May be why Correa was screaming "MY TIME!", when he hit the game-winner. He knows that pay-day is coming. It'll be interesting how this bumper crop of SS free agents gets paid going forward, especially because I believe there is a new CBA to be negotiated and finalized?

Anyone wish to rank them?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2021, 10:32:04 AM
Can't figure the Mets' interest in Correa.

Steve Cohen likes authentic kim chi.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 16, 2021, 10:33:13 AM
Seager has to be atop the Yankees list. I give him a slight edge over Correa then Story.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2021, 11:08:08 AM
Seager has to be atop the Yankees list. I give him a slight edge over Correa then Story.

I think Correa is more ready to play in Da Bronx than Story or Seager, but I think Seager is the best available SS.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2021, 05:42:47 PM
Best value will be Semien
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 16, 2021, 06:15:40 PM
Kike Hernandez man or myth?

This is nuts.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2021, 07:18:01 PM
Best value will be Semien

How do you figure that?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2021, 09:04:54 PM
Loved this afternoon's RS game.

Enjoying the late show (Dodgers-Braves), too.

This must be another example of what Smoltz was talking about wrt that NL pitching style and its radical difference from the AL.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2021, 09:44:41 PM
Best value will be Semien

How do you figure that?

Cheaper

And very very good
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2021, 10:41:54 PM
Loved this afternoon's RS game.

Enjoying the late show (Dodgers-Braves), too.

This must be another example of what Smoltz was talking about wrt that NL pitching style and its radical difference from the AL.

6 strong for Fried
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 16, 2021, 10:43:53 PM
I do not think Seager or Semien are great fielders
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 16, 2021, 10:53:09 PM
This is a very good and tight game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2021, 11:11:22 PM
SEAGER?

Gotta get to that pop up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 16, 2021, 11:14:26 PM
And - just like that -

THE LOSER
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 16, 2021, 11:14:51 PM
Two very different 9th half innings.

Congratulations to the Braves for winning the 1st NLCS game!
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
Failure to hold runners.

And willingness to send a runner

Keys in that ninth inning.

Seager has to catch that ball.

Seager is NOT Correa.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 17, 2021, 11:01:08 AM
Defensively, I agree. 
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 17, 2021, 03:18:50 PM
MAD MAX - 6 innings 10+ K tonight

Can he get Freddie 4 more times - dont be so sure
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 17, 2021, 11:06:52 PM
Back and forth goes this one.

The throw was just off or that runner would be out.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 17, 2021, 11:36:05 PM
Back and forth goes this one.

The throw was just off or that runner would be out.

Can't believe the 2nd baseman missed that ball.

Congratulations, Braves!
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 18, 2021, 09:16:49 AM
Back and forth goes this one.

The throw was just off or that runner would be out.

Can't believe the 2nd baseman missed that ball.

Congratulations, Braves!

He looked like he was screened by the pitcher on that play.

Either way, Dodgers RISP numbers are bad, and everyone seems to be overlooking how SF series put all that stress on the Dodgers' pitching, including Scherzer.

Joc has the Dodgers faithful clutching their own pearls.

Down 0-2, Dodgers will do the one thing that usually helps them in a spot like this one, as seen here: https://youtu.be/f4zyjLyBp64 (https://youtu.be/f4zyjLyBp64)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 18, 2021, 09:19:06 AM
Best value will be Semien

How do you figure that?

Cheaper

And very very good

Much older, and less value going forward through the next 4 seasons than the top 3.

So, no.

Not best value.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2021, 01:59:45 PM
Much older, and less value going forward through the next 4 seasons than the top 3.


Will be interesting tracking this

Other 3 meaning who?

Seager, Correa and Story?  Adding Baez too?
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2021, 02:02:01 PM
Let an ace - Buehler in this case - be an ace.

Let him go deep in the game at home - save the bullpen for what you now feel could be a lonnnng SEVEN games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2021, 08:55:14 PM
A good start. so far.

Keep it going, guys.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 18, 2021, 09:20:53 PM
Much older, and less value going forward through the next 4 seasons than the top 3.


Will be interesting tracking this

Other 3 meaning who?

Seager, Correa and Story?  Adding Baez too?

Semien is the oldest one.

Check the stats. You could have googled it, too: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/shortstop/ (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/free-agents/shortstop/)

Note the age and the market value.

But consider that your guy is FOUR YEARS OLDER than Correa, Correa in 4 years vs the 35 year old you prefer.

Of course, injuries, etc, anything can change, but Correa looks like a better bet than Marcus going forward.

Now, factor in who can play in the Northeast (Boston, Philly, NY). Seager? Story? Correa?

I think Correa has the best make-up to end up somewhere near the Atlantic, and Seager and Story stay out west.



 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 18, 2021, 09:33:07 PM
Houston having trouble picking up Boston's signs, tonight?

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 18, 2021, 09:34:12 PM
A good start. so far.

Keep it going, guys.
THIS is some strange shit. Not that I'm complaining.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2021, 09:56:19 PM
Deja vu.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2021, 11:19:29 PM
But consider that your guy is FOUR YEARS OLDER than Correa, Correa in 4 years vs the 35 year old you prefer.


If I need a shortstop, I PREFER the guy who wants to sign.

I would WOO each guy up to my $$ limits

I think Semien may be a bargain - though someone might pay big after missing on others
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2021, 11:20:16 PM
I would almost expect MS to stay in TOR - but we'll see
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2021, 11:23:32 PM
Of course, injuries, etc, anything can change, but Correa looks like a better bet than Marcus going forward.


Nobody anywhere says otherwise
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2021, 11:35:17 PM
When was the last time you heard post-game fans so caught up in the **announcers**?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2021, 11:37:25 PM
A good game by the Red Sox, but only halfway to the World Series.

Still a lot of work to go.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2021, 11:39:41 PM
"Just gotta win one to get back home"

Analyst, on HOU thinking

Yeah - good luck with that
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2021, 11:48:17 PM
"Just gotta win one to get back home"

Analyst, on HOU thinking

Yeah - good luck with that

It could be tomorrow.

Greinke is a great pitcher.

Sure, his ERA at Fenway is 10.22, but the postseason is different!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 19, 2021, 09:04:54 AM
But consider that your guy is FOUR YEARS OLDER than Correa, Correa in 4 years vs the 35 year old you prefer.


If I need a shortstop, I PREFER the guy who wants to sign.

I would WOO each guy up to my $$ limits

I think Semien may be a bargain - though someone might pay big after missing on others

A a bargain for how long?

Value in baseball is a function of longevity.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 19, 2021, 09:06:30 AM
"Just gotta win one to get back home"

Analyst, on HOU thinking

Yeah - good luck with that

It could be tomorrow.

Greinke is a great pitcher.

Sure, his ERA at Fenway is 10.22, but the postseason is different!

You should know more about this guy.

He could VERY WELL surprise you. It seems to be his M.O.

https://youtu.be/vuTMPm7A0zQ (https://youtu.be/vuTMPm7A0zQ)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 10:32:32 AM
But consider that your guy is FOUR YEARS OLDER than Correa, Correa in 4 years vs the 35 year old you prefer.


If I need a shortstop, I PREFER the guy who wants to sign.

I would WOO each guy up to my $$ limits

I think Semien may be a bargain - though someone might pay big after missing on others

A a bargain for how long?

Value in baseball is a function of longevity.

Well, you assume a lot -

Sure, Semien would want a 4 year deal.  Might he get it?  Dont know.

(I do think Blue Jays try to keep him - at three years - if they can - TWO is probably a non starter)

I dont see Marcus S being non productive during the first part of that deal - he would be a boon to any club.

Age THIRTY FOUR season, by the way - per Baseball=Reference guidelines - in year 4.  Played this entire season at age 30

Giants just had very good luck with their older players - and will likely pick up Posey's 22 mil option - Brandon Belt and his 18 mil still to be decided.  It can be hit/miss - sure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 10:35:10 AM
"Just gotta win one to get back home"

Analyst, on HOU thinking

Yeah - good luck with that

It could be tomorrow.

Greinke is a great pitcher.

Sure, his ERA at Fenway is 10.22, but the postseason is different!

You should know more about this guy.

He could VERY WELL surprise you. It seems to be his M.O.

https://youtu.be/vuTMPm7A0zQ (https://youtu.be/vuTMPm7A0zQ)

Always been a Greinke guy

As stated here already - American League series a bit different than NL.  Zach may not be in it when the W-L is decided - though he can of course keep them in it.

By the way - cool stat on E Rod, eh?  A lefthanded starter with 7 K and 0 BB at Fenway in a playoff game?  Wow.  Amazing.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 10:48:06 AM
A good game by the Red Sox, but only halfway to the World Series.

Still a lot of work to go.

Josh - the Sox nut - who pulls his hair out with every play - not wanting to seem too excited at WS prospects.

In his mind - champagne already out.

ALEX should get this done - as Dusty is real real bad historically in these spots.

Which MGR do you think is getting his troops in proper frame of mind - and which is just sucking on a pick?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 10:57:47 AM
"Just gotta win one to get back home"

Analyst, on HOU thinking

Yeah - good luck with that

It could be tomorrow.

Greinke is a great pitcher.

Sure, his ERA at Fenway is 10.22, but the postseason is different!

You should know more about this guy.

He could VERY WELL surprise you. It seems to be his M.O.

https://youtu.be/vuTMPm7A0zQ (https://youtu.be/vuTMPm7A0zQ)

Yes, he's an odd duck. One or two things in the video that I don't recall having heard before, but most of it is pretty well established.

He could surprise me, there is no doubt about it. Like I said, the post-season is different.

He also could pitch the way he has pitched since September started, running at a clip of more than a run per inning.

We don't know, just as we didn't know when Erod made his 2nd start of the playoffs or when he went up against the Astros, who clobbered him in the regular season.

As the saying goes, "that's why they play the games."

There are many ways that Greinke could surprise. His pitching well is among the least of those.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 11:17:32 AM
A good game by the Red Sox, but only halfway to the World Series.

Still a lot of work to go.

Josh - the Sox nut - who pulls his hair out with every play - not wanting to seem too excited at WS prospects.

In his mind - champagne already out.

ALEX should get this done - as Dusty is real real bad historically in these spots.

Which MGR do you think is getting his troops in proper frame of mind - and which is just sucking on a pick?

Your usual delusions of mind-reading. I'm very excited at the prospect, but I am even more aware that a 2-1 lead in a best of 7  only ends in 5 games about 31% of the time. And as the image shows, the team up 2-1 has lost more than 30% of the time. (It's now up to 69% from that 2014 article.) And if you think the lessons of 2004 are ever far from this Red Sox fan's head, you are even more screwy than I have previously believed.

"It ain't over til it's over," Kid.

(http://sabr.org/sites/default/files/images/Jordan-Table2-Fall2014-BRJ.png)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 11:23:41 AM
I think both managers have their players in the best frame of mind possible, but that there is only so much even the best managers can do.

Yes, I am sure both Baker's and Cora's players know both managers' records in the post-season. It may even affect some of them, but not much if at all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 11:37:32 AM
A good game by the Red Sox, but only halfway to the World Series.

Still a lot of work to go.

Josh - the Sox nut - who pulls his hair out with every play - not wanting to seem too excited at WS prospects.

In his mind - champagne already out.

ALEX should get this done - as Dusty is real real bad historically in these spots.

Which MGR do you think is getting his troops in proper frame of mind - and which is just sucking on a pick?

Your usual delusions of mind-reading. I'm very excited at the prospect, but I am even more aware that a 2-1 lead in a best of 7  only ends in 5 games about 31% of the time. And as the image shows, the team up 2-1 has lost more than 30% of the time. (It's now up to 69% from that 2014 article.) And if you think the lessons of 2004 are ever far from this Red Sox fan's head, you are even more screwy than I have previously believed.

"It ain't over til it's over," Kid.

(http://sabr.org/sites/default/files/images/Jordan-Table2-Fall2014-BRJ.png)

Yeah, good numbers

31% winners at 2-1 down
Just one winner ever at 3-0 down
per Steve Phillips today, MLB Radio

Buehler time?  Maybe.  I could still see Braves in 6, if not 5.

Another interesting musing from Steverino -
That Aaron Boone's Yanks, "with some tweaks", could be OK next year.
Deal Voit/Torres for arm(s) and add another in free agency, says Steve.

Maybe they take Cano back

Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 19, 2021, 12:28:17 PM
I hope the Yankees re-sign Rizzo and find another lefty bat.  I was disappointed with Gallo but probably shouldn't have been.  He is what he is. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 01:03:32 PM
Gallo is an arbitration case right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 19, 2021, 01:04:53 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 04:40:24 PM
Expect each starter to go at least 6 (today NL game)


MLB Radio guy


I wasn't aware Roberts pulled Graterol for Jansen in the ninth with 2 outs.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 06:47:27 PM
Expect each starter to go at least 6 (today NL game)

Nope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 07:21:49 PM
Just gettin in

Wow - they got to Buehler.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 07:22:45 PM
And Morton's gonna throw 100 pitches in 5 innings?  What is going on?
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 09:26:05 PM
4 runs in the bottom of the 8th and the Dodgers pull a win out at almost the last minute!

Braves still up 2 games to 1.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 19, 2021, 10:01:36 PM
That's three blown games in this series. 2 by LA, 1 by ATL.



 Mookie now holds a record in the play-offs. Anyone here know what that is?
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 10:07:03 PM
Stolen bases without getting caught?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 10:35:19 PM
New pitcher for Houston - brave on Baker's part!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2021, 11:43:48 PM
Wow - looked like strike three on the breaking pitch, Eovaldi to Castro.  Rough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2021, 11:49:39 PM
Wow - looked like strike three on the breaking pitch, Eovaldi to Castro.  Rough.

Yes, but it doesn't matter now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2021, 12:23:40 AM
Fuck Laz Diaz. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 07:21:48 AM
Better replace the champagne with at least a Prosecco or perhaps a Frizzante, Bosox fans.

Diaz was bad for both sides, and Sox missed several opportunities in that game to score more runs.

But don't worry, RSN, Chris Sale rides to the rescue!!
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 07:22:10 AM
Stolen bases without getting caught?!

Yep.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 20, 2021, 11:13:36 AM
0-83

That was Dodgers record in playoff games when trailing by 3 or more entering eighth inning

Surprised they pitched to Betts.  Was Trea on deck - maybe that was it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 20, 2021, 05:42:46 PM
How do you figure one website had Diaz missing 23 ball-strike calls and another said he missed 31.

Doesn't it stand to reason a third site might say he missed just 15?

Hate that fuckin box
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 20, 2021, 06:50:03 PM
SALE in one batter too long

Alex handing this to Dusty
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 07:28:16 PM
"One batter too long" is a fine piece of hindsight, but given how the relievers have done I think it is just that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 20, 2021, 08:19:53 PM
Astros came up big so kudos. Sox bats turned to mush after Dusty pulled Grienke in G4. Another few batters facing him might have made a difference. Hopefully Evo can get them to a 67.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 08:46:37 PM
Gotta win on Friday or time to go home.

My sibling said, despairingly, "they really skunked us these last two games," as explanation for her lack of hope.

I pointed out that we had done the same to them the two before it and that momentum only lasts until the next game starts.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 09:00:27 PM
Atlanta seems to be doing a solid job tonight, so far.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 09:53:51 PM
Guess Laz Diaz is to blame for Sox blowing this series.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 09:54:53 PM
Braves are pitching well. Dave Roberts looking like Grady Little.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 10:07:50 PM
Braves are pitching well. Dave Roberts looking like Grady Little.

Just not even close to the same.

"Good" try for your regular attempt to make an anti-Boston post.

Had Snitker left Smyly in there longer, that might have been an apt comparison or at least closer - blowing the lead after being left in too long. But Urias didn't have the lead, let alone lose it nor was it particularly late in the game, either.

Was Urias left in too long? Sure. End of comparison.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 10:08:26 PM
Guess Laz Diaz is to blame for Sox blowing this series.

If you say so, Ham. You're the self-proclaimed expert, after all.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 10:14:37 PM
Braves are pitching well. Dave Roberts looking like Grady Little.

Just not even close to the same.

"Good" try for your regular attempt to make an anti-Boston post.

Had Snitker left Smyly in there longer, that might have been an apt comparison or at least closer - blowing the lead after being left in too long. But Urias didn't have the lead, let alone lose it nor was it particularly late in the game, either.

Was Urias left in too long? Sure. End of comparison.

You're getting paranoid in defeat, Josh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 10:15:51 PM
Guess Laz Diaz is to blame for Sox blowing this series.

If you say so, Ham. You're the self-proclaimed expert, after all.

Sorry, but the RSN has made Diaz their Don Denkinger, not me.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 10:34:54 PM
Guess Laz Diaz is to blame for Sox blowing this series.

If you say so, Ham. You're the self-proclaimed expert, after all.

Sorry, but the RSN has made Diaz their Don Denkinger, not me.

Reading here, you seem to feel more strongly about it than anybody else, Ham.

Same as always.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 10:36:26 PM
Braves are pitching well. Dave Roberts looking like Grady Little.

Just not even close to the same.

"Good" try for your regular attempt to make an anti-Boston post.

Had Snitker left Smyly in there longer, that might have been an apt comparison or at least closer - blowing the lead after being left in too long. But Urias didn't have the lead, let alone lose it nor was it particularly late in the game, either.

Was Urias left in too long? Sure. End of comparison.

You're getting paranoid in defeat, Josh.

What a stretch!

How do you get to paranoia from my pointing out your idiocy?

Oh, never mind, Ham.

You cannot bring yourself to be honest about your obsession. We all know it, even Bambu.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 11:18:17 PM
Dodgers fans already blaming Roberts. The ones who are in their cars and driving away, already

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 20, 2021, 11:19:05 PM
Guess Laz Diaz is to blame for Sox blowing this series.

If you say so, Ham. You're the self-proclaimed expert, after all.

Sorry, but the RSN has made Diaz their Don Denkinger, not me.

Reading here, you seem to feel more strongly about it than anybody else, Ham.

Same as always.

Here.

Heh

Fuck Laz Diaz. 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 11:31:57 PM
Guess Laz Diaz is to blame for Sox blowing this series.

If you say so, Ham. You're the self-proclaimed expert, after all.

Sorry, but the RSN has made Diaz their Don Denkinger, not me.

Reading here, you seem to feel more strongly about it than anybody else, Ham.

Same as always.

Here.

Heh

Fuck Laz Diaz. 

He wrote one post.

I wrote one post, in which I agreed he was bad for both teams.

You? You have written more about Diaz than Banks and I combined. And the rest of the Red Sox fans here said nothing.

You're obsessed, Ham. And boring about it, too.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 20, 2021, 11:32:58 PM
Dodgers fans already blaming Roberts. The ones who are in their cars and driving away, already

Heh

Who do you think they should blame, if anybody?
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 21, 2021, 08:32:15 AM
Dodgers fans already blaming Roberts. The ones who are in their cars and driving away, already

Heh

Who do you think they should blame, if anybody?

Los Bravos.

You know, Josh, there's this concept in sports. It's called "getting beat" or "getting outplayed".

You may not be familiar with it, but their are fans around the country who acknowledge when the other team demonstrates that they have played better than your team.

Think about it.

Grady Little knows.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 21, 2021, 08:33:42 AM
You're pissed off because your team has blown this series, when they had it to win.

Shush, whiner. Redirect your anger elsewhere.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 09:41:42 AM
(https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-photos/image/upload/d_people:generic:action:pitching:current.png/w_525,q_auto:best/v1/people//action/pitching/current)


The man who will save Dodgers season


Johnny TBD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2021, 09:53:09 AM
The troll wets himself when a Boston team loses.

Its sad, but mostly fucking funny as hell, that trolling two Sox fans is the highlight and primary activity of his sports existence in Elba.

LMAO

FUCK LAZ DIAZ!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 10:02:57 AM
So certain Sox win had Diaz just called Castro out on strikes.

Not really how it works.

Houston has been (slightly) the better team.

They were favored.

Series stands as it should, with the dog still in the fight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 10:04:07 AM
Its like when Sox fans basically KILLED Bill Buckner - when even if Billy makes the play there is no guarantee Boston would have won.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2021, 11:59:10 AM
Its like when Sox fans basically KILLED Bill Buckner - when even if Billy makes the play there is no guarantee Boston would have won.

Red Sox cheered Buckner Opening Day 1987.

Red Sox fans killed Sox Mgr McNamara for not subbing Dave Stapleton at 1st for defensive purposes for the hobbled Buckner.

It was mostly the press that mocked Buckner, not the fans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2021, 12:04:06 PM
So certain Sox win had Diaz just called Castro out on strikes.

Not really how it works.



No one made that claim.

FUCK LAZ DIAZ

The point was he is amongt the worst ranked MLB umps and there is no reason why he should be behind the plate calling balls and strikes in pennant deciding games.

He's an incompetent ump.

And your boy Joey was pissed at him and almost got tossed in the 2nd inning when he blew a call on JD.

FUCK LAZ DIAZ
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 21, 2021, 12:59:31 PM
Its like when Sox fans basically KILLED Bill Buckner - when even if Billy makes the play there is no guarantee Boston would have won.

Red Sox cheered Buckner Opening Day 1987.

Red Sox fans killed Sox Mgr McNamara for not subbing Dave Stapleton at 1st for defensive purposes for the hobbled Buckner.

It was mostly the press that mocked Buckner, not the fans.

I think the fans hounded Buckner for years. Not all of them, by any means, but more than enough to make his life awful.

"Fans heckled Buckner at Fenway the following season, before the Red Sox released him. He received death threats."

"Buckner tried to stay in Boston, but fans heaped so much abuse on him and his family that he decided to move to Idaho." History (dot) com.

It's just how it was, Banks. Did the media play a part? When do they not. But Buckner was damned by a substantial percentage of the Nation.

Not to say that McNamara was let off the hook.



Kid is wrong in thinking that we (almost any of us) believe any single play guarantees a win. Ask a RS fan in 1986 if it would have guaranteed a win and most of us would not only say no, but also say "we'd probably have just found another way to lose." Eeyore had nothing on us! Post 2004's ALCS? The "snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" assumption is largely gone, but it has not been replaced with a Pollyanna-esque assumption of victory.

But it sure improves the chances, compared to what happened!
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 21, 2021, 01:00:30 PM
Dodgers fans already blaming Roberts. The ones who are in their cars and driving away, already

Heh

Who do you think they should blame, if anybody?

Los Bravos.

You know, Josh, there's this concept in sports. It's called "getting beat" or "getting outplayed".

Hence, "if anybody," Ham.

Could you be more dense if we paid you to be?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 21, 2021, 05:28:35 PM
Sox fans are creative, but in the end, they always play the blame game.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 05:47:13 PM
Its funny when in speaking for himself Bank thinks he speaks for all Sox fans
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 05:53:23 PM
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/postscript/saying-goodbye-to-bill-buckner-and-the-myths-we-attached-to-him
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 21, 2021, 06:00:39 PM
Its funny when in speaking for himself Bank thinks he speaks for all Sox fans

I think he's quoted here: https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/boston-sports-radio-floating-astros-cheating-conspiracy-theories/ (https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/boston-sports-radio-floating-astros-cheating-conspiracy-theories/)

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 21, 2021, 07:24:36 PM
Sox fans are creative, but in the end, they always play the blame game.

Heh

Ham is not creative and in the end he always attacks Boston.

"Heh"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 07:46:36 PM
TBD = Joe Kelly

I like it

Though getting more than ZERO hits the first 4 innings is also important
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 21, 2021, 07:48:04 PM
TBD = Joe Kelly

I hope he can rise to the occasion.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2021, 08:57:57 PM
Its funny when in speaking for himself Bank thinks he speaks for all Sox fans

I speak for myself you fucking cretin.

I don't presume to speak for all Sox fans, nor do all Sox fans speak with one voice.

But in this instance, I can say with little fear of contradiction, almost all Sox fans would think you are a fucking moron.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 10:05:44 PM
I was actually a well respected voice on SOSH, likely long before you found it


Good to see PUJOLS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 21, 2021, 10:16:53 PM
I was actually a well respected voice on SOSH, likely long before you found it


Good to see PUJOLS.

LMAO

Kid this is the first you've ever made the claim you were a member of SoSH.

I've been a member there for 20 years, and before it became one of the more intelligent and celebrated sports fan sites on the web,  and I can say with almost no doubt, as I'm pretty conversant with what flies there and what doesn't, if you posted the garbage you post here in SoSH you would be bounced within a day or so.

The mods there have almost no tolerance for idiocy, racist bullshit, or trolling.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 10:20:37 PM
Right

Pretty easy to engage in normal educated baseball conversation.

Shame that isnt available here most days
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 21, 2021, 10:46:06 PM
Right

Pretty easy to engage in normal educated baseball conversation.

Shame that isnt available here most days

Yes, isn't it?

If only you posted such that you would be a well-respected voice here, too.

So, what was your handle on SoSH?
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 21, 2021, 11:02:05 PM
Another of those NL-style pitching performances, with the starters going long, unlike those AL games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 21, 2021, 11:21:34 PM
I was actually a well respected voice on SOSH, likely long before you found it


Good to see PUJOLS.

LMAO

Kid this is the first you've ever made the claim you were a member of SoSH.

I've been a member there for 20 years...

The mods there have almost no tolerance for idiocy, racist bullshit, or trolling.

And yet, YOU'VE been there 20 years?

LMFAO!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 11:29:36 PM
Right

Pretty easy to engage in normal educated baseball conversation.

Shame that isnt available here most days

Yes, isn't it?

If only you posted such that you would be a well-respected voice here, too.

So, what was your handle on SoSH?

I think it may have been Jimbelongs.  Or Senorswat. 
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 21, 2021, 11:30:46 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 21, 2021, 11:46:46 PM
Back to Atlanta!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 12:49:51 AM
I was actually a well respected voice on SOSH, likely long before you found it


Good to see PUJOLS.

LMAO

Kid this is the first you've ever made the claim you were a member of SoSH.

I've been a member there for 20 years...

The mods there have almost no tolerance for idiocy, racist bullshit, or trolling.

And yet, YOU'VE been there 20 years?

LMFAO!!!!

Yup, I know the ground rules and how far to push.

And which buttons to push.
 
SoSH calls for facts and an ability to articulate an opinion.

And trolling is a frowned upon and will get a poster banned.

As will stalking or doxxing someone 

So your go to plays would be viewed as a weakness by the community from the go. 

And you'd be offed PDQ.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 09:12:50 AM
I speak for myself you fucking cretin.



Ya see...this is the problem
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 09:29:51 AM
Just rejoined SOSH.  Thanks for reminding me of it.  Patriots forum should be fun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 09:59:34 AM
I speak for myself you fucking cretin.



Ya see...this is the problem

Kid the problem is you speak gibberish and you are dishonest.

But on the bright side you are widely recognized as Elba's village idiot..

And kid if you did rejoin SoSH, up your game.

Way up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:12:47 AM
Honestly I am at time ashamed to be brought down to the level of this forum

I miss the NY Times - where there were posters who nudged - but conversation was possible.  If anything the rough banter was team based.  Here it is always in the back of someone's mind the other guy's politics - and extremists abound.  And fresh slates are unavailable when dealing with most.  Sadly so.  But here we are.

Anyway - fresh slate on SOSH.  I will try to get there some.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 10:14:23 AM
I was actually a well respected voice on SOSH, likely long before you found it


Good to see PUJOLS.

LMAO

Kid this is the first you've ever made the claim you were a member of SoSH.

I've been a member there for 20 years...

The mods there have almost no tolerance for idiocy, racist bullshit, or trolling.

And yet, YOU'VE been there 20 years?

LMFAO!!!!

Yup, I know the ground rules and how far to push.

And which buttons to push.
 
SoSH calls for facts and an ability to articulate an opinion.

And trolling is a frowned upon and will get a poster banned.

As will stalking or doxxing someone 

So your go to plays would be viewed as a weakness by the community from the go. 

And you'd be offed PDQ.

Except I've never actually done what you're accusing me of doing.

We could have discussed that further and proved it, had you not chickened out when challenged to meet in person.

But that ship sailed, and you're still on the dock waving your hanky and spinning tales of woe.

Best you just stow it, for now, and stick to your SOSH buddies and their delicate ways.


And kid, unlike you, can handle whatever shit is thrown his way here and elsewhere, so in that sense he is far, far, far a better individual than you have ever shown yourself to be.

Wimp.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 10:18:09 AM
Hey, kid. Do you ever hear from any of the old Mets NYT and Elbanese Forumites, like Rick(Bloomy) and Lenny and Lisa, etc?

I Met Rick a few times, and played golf with both he and Lenny, but that was a long time ago and I think Lenny died, since.

I know you met Rick. He spoke highly of you.

 

Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 10:19:38 AM
Another of those NL-style pitching performances, with the starters going long, unlike those AL games.

Say what you want, but the NL series has been more entertaining than the AL Modern Baseball Cheaters Division series.

No Fitbit watches and strange lights on the scoreboards and whistles in the NL games.



 
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:24:53 AM
Another of those NL-style pitching performances, with the starters going long, unlike those AL games.

Say what you want, but the NL series has been more entertaining than the AL Modern Baseball Cheaters Division series.

No Fitbit watches and strange lights on the scoreboards and whistles in the NL games.

Poor you. When they consolidate the rules and there is a DH in both leagues, you won't have any pro baseball to watch any more.

You, of all our posters, should be more appreciative of cheaters.

And I happen to agree that tight ballgames are inherently more entertaining than blowouts, but it has nothing to do with the point I was making.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 10:27:36 AM
I was actually a well respected voice on SOSH, likely long before you found it


Good to see PUJOLS.

LMAO

Kid this is the first you've ever made the claim you were a member of SoSH.

I've been a member there for 20 years...

The mods there have almost no tolerance for idiocy, racist bullshit, or trolling.

And yet, YOU'VE been there 20 years?

LMFAO!!!!

Yup, I know the ground rules and how far to push.

And which buttons to push.
 
SoSH calls for facts and an ability to articulate an opinion.

And trolling is a frowned upon and will get a poster banned.

As will stalking or doxxing someone 

So your go to plays would be viewed as a weakness by the community from the go. 

And you'd be offed PDQ.

Except I've never actually done what you're accusing me of doing.

We could have discussed that further and proved it, had you not chickened out when challenged to meet in person.

But that ship sailed, and you're still on the dock waving your hanky and spinning tales of woe.

Best you just stow it, for now, and stick to your SOSH buddies and their delicate ways.


And kid, unlike you, can handle whatever shit is thrown his way here and elsewhere, so in that sense he is far, far, far a better individual than you have ever shown yourself to be.

Wimp.

LMAO

Hammy-Piggy-Utley all ran away in rants and tears because it couldn't stand the heat of an honest and straight forward discussion and the dissection of it's idiotic posts.

So it became an amoral racist stalking repugnant jerk.

Hammy you're just a fucking racist loser.

But to your credit you found a persona that suits you.

LMAO

SSDD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:31:47 AM
team based.  Here it is always in the back of someone's mind the other guy's politics - and extremists abound. 

I am sorry that "always in the back of" your mind "is "the other guy's politics," but you are surely right that extremists abound. Your political opinions have nothing to do with my reactions to your sports posts.

Tell you what, Kid... if you stick to talking about events and opinions about them and the individuals involved in those events, but not opinions of the other posters, I will stick to that with regard to you.

Same offer to all other posters.

And I hope you find what you are looking for on SoSH or elsewhere.

You folks have consistently come out against any such strictures here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:34:21 AM
And trolling is a frowned upon and will get a poster banned.

As will stalking or doxxing someone 


Except I've never actually done what you're accusing me of doing.

We could have discussed that further and proved it, had you not chickened out when challenged to meet in person.
[/quote]

You have done and/or threatened to do all of that.

And your belief that meeting in person could have proven anything is part of the problem.

It couldn't and wouldn't.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:36:18 AM
Back to baseball...

Opinions about the winner of tonight's game? Or any particulars?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 10:37:31 AM
Honestly I am at time ashamed to be brought down to the level of this forum

I miss the NY Times - where there were posters who nudged - but conversation was possible.  If anything the rough banter was team based.  Here it is always in the back of someone's mind the other guy's politics - and extremists abound.  And fresh slates are unavailable when dealing with most.  Sadly so.  But here we are.

Anyway - fresh slate on SOSH.  I will try to get there some.

Kid why don't you join a right wing white supremacist NY Mets/Giants/Knicks forum?

A place where you can share your common values and beliefs and insane conspiratorial theories with like minded morons?

Why would you want to join a forum that largely is the polar opposite of how you define yourself on line?

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:37:46 AM
Hey, kid. Do you ever hear from any of the old Mets NYT and Elbanese Forumites, like Rick(Bloomy) and Lenny and Lisa, etc?

I Met Rick a few times, and played golf with both he and Lenny, but that was a long time ago and I think Lenny died, since.

I know you met Rick. He spoke highly of you.

Nah.

But those guys were great.  We met up at the old ESPN zone in Manhattan one time  and also did a Mets vs Giants playoff game.  It was the Bobby Fresno Jones 1 hitter.

I also met a Red Sox guy in Houston at some point.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:39:46 AM
Honestly I am at time ashamed to be brought down to the level of this forum

I miss the NY Times - where there were posters who nudged - but conversation was possible.  If anything the rough banter was team based.  Here it is always in the back of someone's mind the other guy's politics - and extremists abound.  And fresh slates are unavailable when dealing with most.  Sadly so.  But here we are.

Anyway - fresh slate on SOSH.  I will try to get there some.

Kid why don't you join a right wing white supremacist NY Mets/Giants/Knicks forum?

A place where you can share your common values and beliefs and insane conspiratorial theories with like minded morons?


I dont have any such theories

And who says I don't hang out elsewhere?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 10:45:09 AM
Honestly I am at time ashamed to be brought down to the level of this forum

I miss the NY Times - where there were posters who nudged - but conversation was possible.  If anything the rough banter was team based.  Here it is always in the back of someone's mind the other guy's politics - and extremists abound.  And fresh slates are unavailable when dealing with most.  Sadly so.  But here we are.

Anyway - fresh slate on SOSH.  I will try to get there some.

Kid why don't you join a right wing white supremacist NY Mets/Giants/Knicks forum?

A place where you can share your common values and beliefs and insane conspiratorial theories with like minded morons?


I dont have any such theories

And who says I don't hang out elsewhere?

I imagine you do.

And they probably provide a fertile source of misinformation for the feeble-minded.

btw, what's your new handle on SoSH?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:50:51 AM
You feel you know me so well - wont take you long to figure it out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:52:57 AM
Hey, kid. Do you ever hear from any of the old Mets NYT and Elbanese Forumites, like Rick(Bloomy) and Lenny and Lisa, etc?

I Met Rick a few times, and played golf with both he and Lenny, but that was a long time ago and I think Lenny died, since.

I know you met Rick. He spoke highly of you.

Nah.

But those guys were great.  We met up at the old ESPN zone in Manhattan one time  and also did a Mets vs Giants playoff game.  It was the Bobby Fresno Jones 1 hitter.

I also met a Red Sox guy in Houston at some point.

addendum

Erik Frank did become a good friend - but havent seen/spoken to him in a while.  Erik was in the original GGHF fantasy league, now 20 years and strong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:54:06 AM
Bank - heh - gotta love him

He is 95% convinced that I am Q.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 11:04:15 AM
You feel you know me so well - wont take you long to figure it out.

Kid that's the point. If you post in your recognizable manner, you will be booted PDQ.

Newbies with no game and a bad attitude don't have a long shelf. 

But if you're shy, want to lurk, and don't wish to introduce yourself, that's your choice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 11:05:52 AM
Bank - heh - gotta love him

He is 95% convinced that I am Q.

You're almost right.

I'm 95% convinced you can't spell IQ.

LMAO
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 11:32:54 AM
Newbies with no game and a bad attitude don't have a long shelf.


Not sure who you think you are talking to

As I said - I was already there some time ago.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 11:46:01 AM
Newbies with no game and a bad attitude don't have a long shelf.


Not sure who you think you are talking to

As I said - I was already there some time ago.

Kid as far as I'm concerned when I'm addressing you, I'm talking to a liar and a fool.


I've no idea if you ever posted on SoSH, nor do I care.

But if you did, it has changed over the years, and newbies with no game and just idiotic hot takes have short life spans.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 11:50:29 AM
Heh

I'll be fine there - thanks for the concern

If you haven't seen me post what you would consider content that would pass SOSH muster (cough) in a while it is due to the company kept here, nothing else.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 12:00:11 PM
You folks have consistently come out against any such strictures here.

- Mod

You have never tried ruling with an iron fist here.  Give it a shot.  Start slowly - as in no curse words.  Then you can get to Management 102 level.  Maybe in 4 years you get your Bachelor's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 12:10:51 PM
Heh

I'll be fine there - thanks for the concern

If you haven't seen me post what you would consider content that would pass SOSH muster (cough) in a while it is due to the company kept here, nothing else.

Kid you have a 25 year posting history that I and most everyone in Elba is familiar with. Outside of some recent ball-washing from a desperate ally-seeking troll, you have scant support here. People recognize your bullshit for what it is. 

I'm not going to tell you what is acceptable content, if you want to post on SoSH, you'll figure out community standards. But they've changed a lot (for better or worse) in the past 5-10 years, and if you posted there early on (15-20 years ago) its a wholly different animal. 

I will tell you to leave politics, even the most benign comments, in the political forums, as that's a fast way to be shown the door.

Have fun

although I got to tell you that joining a predominantly Sox board on what may be their last day of the season, and talking about how you look forward to the Pats forums, in what could be a challenging year, strikes me as a pure troll move.

Prove me wrong.

LMAO
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 12:29:53 PM
Houston going back to their G2 starter, Garcia, tonight.

Miraculously his bad knee has healed and he's good to go.

Apparently there was enough ice left over after the Astros tried to ice Evo for use on Garcia bum knee.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 12:38:07 PM
although I got to tell you that joining a predominantly Sox board on what may be their last day of the season, and talking about how you look forward to the Pats forums, in what could be a challenging year, strikes me as a pure troll move.



I commiserate with the best of them.


I think Boston wins tonight, by the way.  Cheer up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 12:42:18 PM
Have to wonder if they are setting a record - highest average number of runs ahead for winning team

29 thus far in 5 games
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 12:51:14 PM
Have to wonder if they are setting a record - highest average number of runs ahead for winning team

29 thus far in 5 games

Same as 1960 WS through 5

Ys had a 12-0 blow-out in G6 and Pirates won by 1 in G7.

so 42 in 7 games

no idea if thats the record.

just WAG 1960 WS

And I'm perfectly cheery.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 02:57:25 PM
Thanks for the research

If that is the answer I expect it to hold

Looking for a couple of nail biters
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 04:32:40 PM
Another of those NL-style pitching performances, with the starters going long, unlike those AL games.

Say what you want, but the NL series has been more entertaining than the AL Modern Baseball Cheaters Division series.

No Fitbit watches and strange lights on the scoreboards and whistles in the NL games.

Poor you. When they consolidate the rules and there is a DH in both leagues, you won't have any pro baseball to watch any more.

You, of all our posters, should be more appreciative of cheaters.

And I happen to agree that tight ballgames are inherently more entertaining than blowouts, but it has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Boston was caught cheating. Houston was caught cheating. Alex Cora was caught cheating.

Then there are the Patriots.

So, I think it is YOU who really appreciates cheaters, Josh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 04:33:38 PM
Banks' team on the verge of defeat.

He gets testy and misfires.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
I think the Red Sox win tonight.

As me about tomorrow tomorrow!
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 06:34:10 PM
Another of those NL-style pitching performances, with the starters going long, unlike those AL games.

Say what you want, but the NL series has been more entertaining than the AL Modern Baseball Cheaters Division series.

No Fitbit watches and strange lights on the scoreboards and whistles in the NL games.

Poor you. When they consolidate the rules and there is a DH in both leagues, you won't have any pro baseball to watch any more.

You, of all our posters, should be more appreciative of cheaters.

And I happen to agree that tight ballgames are inherently more entertaining than blowouts, but it has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Boston was caught cheating. Houston was caught cheating. Alex Cora was caught cheating.

Then there are the Patriots.

So, I think it is YOU who really appreciates cheaters, Josh.

If I appreciated cheaters, I would appreciate you and Donald Trump.

I appreciate neither.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 06:40:59 PM
Another of those NL-style pitching performances, with the starters going long, unlike those AL games.

Say what you want, but the NL series has been more entertaining than the AL Modern Baseball Cheaters Division series.

No Fitbit watches and strange lights on the scoreboards and whistles in the NL games.

Poor you. When they consolidate the rules and there is a DH in both leagues, you won't have any pro baseball to watch any more.

You, of all our posters, should be more appreciative of cheaters.

And I happen to agree that tight ballgames are inherently more entertaining than blowouts, but it has nothing to do with the point I was making.

Boston was caught cheating. Houston was caught cheating. Alex Cora was caught cheating.

Then there are the Patriots.

So, I think it is YOU who really appreciates cheaters, Josh.

If I appreciated cheaters, I would appreciate you and Donald Trump.

I appreciate neither.

Oh? When did I cheat, Josh?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 07:06:32 PM
The Franchy Cordero Era seems likely to have passed, as he was designated for assignment.

The deal for Benintendi has to have been one of the more lopsided trades the Red Sox have been on the wrong end of in quite a while.

Maybe Winckowski will amount to something, but he didn't show it this season! And "three players to be named later" don't seem likely to make it worth our while to have paid $2.8 million to KC for the privilege of losing Ten D.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 09:31:13 PM
Listening to "This could be the series for the Red Sox," down 1 run, is really annoying.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 09:43:51 PM
Eovaldi was awesome escaping that jam in the 4th.

Biden might consider having him facing Manchin, Sinema and McConnell.

Fucking Sox seem mesmerized by the cha-cha of Garcia.

Can't do anything with him

if this end 1-0 on kike's misplay I will be annoyed.

that however is doubtful
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 09:48:26 PM
It is doubtful.

I would not have taken Eovaldi out at this time. Let your relief come in with a clean slate, unless the pitcher is showing signs of losing it. I didn't think the one heart of the plate pitch to Maldonado was it.

I hope that our relief is sufficient to the cause.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 09:56:41 PM
And... Danny Santana, again?!

WHY?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 09:58:43 PM
I was ok with pulling him there. He expended a lot of energy and 3rd time through and heart of order...

I didn't want to see 1-0 turn to 3-0 in one swing.


we need some fucking hits

right now I'd settle for 1.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:01:11 PM
I was ok with pulling him there. He expended a lot of energy and 3rd time through and heart of order...

I didn't want to see 1-0 turn to 3-0 in one swing.


we need some fucking hits

right now I'd settle for 1.

Me, too.

Especially since getting two at once is tough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:03:15 PM
There's one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:13:38 PM
The return of JOEY.

Nice shift (whatttttt???)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:19:42 PM
Ridiculous

So worried about shifting that you need to discuss covering 2B on a steal

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:20:37 PM
Need to be out of this at 1-0.  2?  Fine.  But real tough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:26:04 PM
Need to be out of this at 1-0.  2?  Fine.  But real tough.

If the Red Sox don't score, it really doesn't matter whether it's 1-0 or 2-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 10:29:38 PM
Kyle from Waltham almost got the impossible.

2-0 not much more impossible than 1-0

just seems that way

GO SOX!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:38:16 PM
Dusty helping out

2 run lead Martinez at 1B could have chosen to not hold JD on...

Sox in business
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 22, 2021, 10:40:41 PM
Did they say NOBODY is up in the pen?



Dustyyyyy....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 10:58:04 PM
It's getting late early down in Houston.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 11:11:02 PM
The mystery of the stolen lumber will haunt Sox fans this cold Halloween.

Trick or RISP?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 11:18:02 PM
And once again, I think I would leave Houck in.

Does it matter?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 11:19:35 PM
Better bring in Bob Stanley. Or maybe Calvin Schiraldi.

'Stros get more runs, Sox are done.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 11:27:04 PM
Better bring in Bob Stanley. Or maybe Calvin Schiraldi.

'Stros get more runs, Sox are done.

'Stros get more runs.

It mattered.

Leave Houck in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 11:29:36 PM
If the Red Sox come back, I will be very surprised and pleased.

But the Astros have done what they needed to do, as far as I can tell, and deserve to win this series.

WUNY.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 11:30:10 PM
Scherzer is not starting tomorrow's game because of tired arm.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 11:30:12 PM
Guess you can blame Cora for blowing this series, eh?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2021, 11:31:17 PM
Guess you can blame Cora for blowing this series, eh?

I made my comment already, Ham.

If you want to pretend to mind-reading powers like Kid has, nobody can stop you. You're like Ward and "Trump is a Christian."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 11:31:36 PM
and dagger.

a fucking Fenway wall ball single ends the Sox season

it was fun while it lasted

we'll always have LAZ DIAZ!

HEH
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 22, 2021, 11:34:52 PM
Sox blew this series.

They had it, and blew it.

Tough winter ahead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on October 22, 2021, 11:43:05 PM
What a GREAT night for Baseball!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 22, 2021, 11:44:34 PM
Great night for trolls

LMAO
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 10:31:24 AM
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/247328739_10103297873417034_3709130258370170384_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_rgb565=1&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=oEQlnPDDitAAX-5RABd&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=3858ad872308762994990e08a8d3112e&oe=61793CA3)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 23, 2021, 10:45:47 AM
Great TWEET: https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1451769988239568896?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/1451769988239568896?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)


One player outhits an entire opposing team for 2 playoffs games. Never happened before.

That strike-em-out-throw-em-out was a serious display of ineptitude, if Cora sent him.

I think that when you live by the homer, you die by not homering, which is essentially what happened to Boston.

Or...it could be more than a coincidence that after Dusty Baker switched his team's signs that the Bosox no longer could tee off on what they knew was coming. If you go from hitting grand salamis to looking like you're standing there and holding a salami, something drastic must have happened, especially in such a short time frame.

And speaking of Dusty, here he is discussing "love". Note how happy A-Rod is! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGxEsmzA1Zc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGxEsmzA1Zc)


I will say this about the Astros. IF the NL team wants to beat them, they are going to have to pitch inside, or up and in, and knock those Astros hitters off the plate. They looked waaaayyy too comfortable at the plate against the Sox.

And they can hit, and they can run...They play an old-school NL type game.

Which is why they're going to the WS, and the Boston launch-anglers are going home to figure out a better way to steal signs.



 


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 11:25:56 AM
and the troll just keeps on trolling

SSDD

Alvarez was a force in that series

it was if all of Kike's mojo and hits and scorching at-bats in the first three games were voodooed in Alvarez's bat the last 3 games

it was weird, a team that was one of the best hitting teams in baseball went ice cold.

and the other, probably the best hitting team in baseball finally got steamy hot.

the best team won

but the Sox, for all their flaws, and they were discussed here, played hard, delivered far more than expected, and gave their fans a fun WC race to follow and enjoy for the last 60 days of the season. They got into the post-season on the last day, and then beat our ancient rival and then a newer one, and got within 2 games of getting into a WS.

I'd say most baseball fans would sign up for that.

Even if it meant reading the tear-stained posts of a sad and envious troll.

LMAO

Thanks Sox for a fun seson and congrats to Astro fans both old and those born just a week or so ago.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 11:42:05 AM
I'm actually almost certain that Baker's changing their signs changed how the games went.

Not because of cheating, but because it gave their pitchers confidence that there was no cheating now going on and artificial confidence just plain works.

See also: lucky underwear, etc.

They believed the Sox would be less able to hit them and so pitched with greater internal faith.

Might have helped the hitters to feel less futile, too. Don't know.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 12:00:40 PM
I've no idea what turns a hot team cold or vice versa.  Pitcher's that were hittable one day make small adjustments and become the second coming of a dominating Sandy Koufax or Bob Gibson. Sox couldn't touch Garcia yesterday.

 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 23, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
and the troll just keeps on trolling

SSDD

Alvarez was a force in that series

it was if all of Kike's mojo and hits and scorching at-bats in the first three games were voodooed in Alvarez's bat the last 3 games

it was weird, a team that was one of the best hitting teams in baseball went ice cold.

and the other, probably the best hitting team in baseball finally got steamy hot.

the best team won

but the Sox, for all their flaws, and they were discussed here, played hard, delivered far more than expected, and gave their fans a fun WC race to follow and enjoy for the last 60 days of the season. They got into the post-season on the last day, and then beat our ancient rival and then a newer one, and got within 2 games of getting into a WS.

I'd say most baseball fans would sign up for that.

Even if it meant reading the tear-stained posts of a sad and envious troll.

LMAO

Thanks Sox for a fun seson and congrats to Astro fans both old and those born just a week or so ago.

Nope. Either they choked or the way they were cheating was discovered and Baker made the adjustments.

Fir a team to go THAT cold, THAT quickly, something big time changed. And it was t underwear.

But you run along, now, banks. Your team was schooled, Cora iutmanaged by Dusty Baker.

LOL!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 12:26:20 PM
Ham you're an idiot troll.

Thanks once again for proving it and that you do not understand the game nor acknowledge its streakiness.

LMAO

and fwiw, and for some balance and perspective take your sentence, "...for a team to go that cold..." and reverse  the temp.

It carries just as much poor sportsmanship as your original thought and is just as stupid.

But then again you are a stupid poor sport.

And you do deliver.

LMAO

now go pee in your pants elsewhere
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 23, 2021, 01:39:28 PM
I've no idea what turns a hot team cold or vice versa.  .
I'm going with baseball is hard. Plus the hot hand fallacy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 23, 2021, 02:57:34 PM
Ham you're an idiot troll.

Thanks once again for proving it and that you do not understand the game nor acknowledge its streakiness.

LMAO

and fwiw, and for some balance and perspective take your sentence, "...for a team to go that cold..." and reverse  the temp.

It carries just as much poor sportsmanship as your original thought and is just as stupid.

But then again you are a stupid poor sport.

And you do deliver.

LMAO

now go pee in your pants elsewhere

You're trying to put on a game face, but we know you're crushed.

Sad you just can't be honest about how devastated you are.

Weak sauce, Little Richard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 23, 2021, 02:58:24 PM
Meanwhile, Dave Roberts already getting the Grady Little treatment in LA.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-23/letters-la-times-sports-dave-roberts-dodgers-insanity (https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2021-10-23/letters-la-times-sports-dave-roberts-dodgers-insanity)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 03:44:20 PM
Ham you're an idiot troll.

Thanks once again for proving it and that you do not understand the game nor acknowledge its streakiness.

LMAO

and fwiw, and for some balance and perspective take your sentence, "...for a team to go that cold..." and reverse  the temp.

It carries just as much poor sportsmanship as your original thought and is just as stupid.

But then again you are a stupid poor sport.

And you do deliver.

LMAO

now go pee in your pants elsewhere

You're trying to put on a game face, but we know you're crushed.

Sad you just can't be honest about how devastated you are.

Weak sauce, Little Richard.

LMAO

Wrong again troll.

You project your feelings of inadequacies.

Like any fan of a team that loses I'm disappointed.

But I don't so tie up my feelings of competence on what others control.

But I understand that people of more modest accomplishments, such as yourself, would take it so hard, crushed as you called it, as you've projected yourself to be.

You'll get over those tough losses and perhaps find the time to work on those personal weaknesses that have held you back for decades.

Best of luck Hammy on what will be a long and difficult journey to overcome yourself.   

But before you start your journey, you should change your pee-stained trousers.

And mop up that pee puddle you left. 


LMAO


Edit this was posted earlier today elsewhere


Quote from: bankshot1, post: 4703407, member: 9

I think most here understood the flaws of the '21 team and understood our likely ceiling. Well that ceiling was smashed and we got within a few feet of the penthouse. The Sox were both an easy team to cheer for and an easy team to swear at. But they gave us a summer of scoreboard watching, meaningful games, and a fun WC race, which was not settled until the last day of the season. You folks know the rest. So thanks Sox for a pretty good year that exceeded my expectations.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 23, 2021, 04:24:08 PM
Ham you're an idiot troll.

Thanks once again for proving it and that you do not understand the game nor acknowledge its streakiness.

LMAO

and fwiw, and for some balance and perspective take your sentence, "...for a team to go that cold..." and reverse  the temp.

It carries just as much poor sportsmanship as your original thought and is just as stupid.

But then again you are a stupid poor sport.

And you do deliver.

LMAO

now go pee in your pants elsewhere

You're trying to put on a game face, but we know you're crushed.

Sad you just can't be honest about how devastated you are.

Weak sauce, Little Richard.

LMAO

Wrong again troll.

You project your feelings of inadequacies.

Like any fan of a team that loses I'm disappointed.

But I don't so tie up my feelings of competence on what others control.

But I understand that people of more modest accomplishments, such as yourself, would take it so hard, crushed as you called it, as you've projected yourself to be.

You'll get over those tough losses and perhaps find the time to work on those personal weaknesses that have held you back for decades.

Best of luck Hammy on what will be a long and difficult journey to overcome yourself.   

But before you start your journey, you should change your pee-stained trousers.

And mop up that pee puddle you left. 


LMAO


Edit this was posted earlier today elsewhere


Quote from: bankshot1, post: 4703407, member: 9

I think most here understood the flaws of the '21 team and understood our likely ceiling. Well that ceiling was smashed and we got within a few feet of the penthouse. The Sox were both an easy team to cheer for and an easy team to swear at. But they gave us a summer of scoreboard watching, meaningful games, and a fun WC race, which was not settled until the last day of the season. You folks know the rest. So thanks Sox for a pretty good year that exceeded my expectations.



STILL IN DENIAL.Here, the hurt and pain peak through.

a fucking Fenway wall ball single ends the Sox season



we'll always have LAZ DIAZ![
/i]



You should just let it out, banks. You'll feel better.

 

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 23, 2021, 04:26:13 PM
Kyle Schwarber, cap-tipper.

SCroll down, and after you read the lame excuse Cora made for getting his team caught in a strike-out throw-em-out DP, you'll find some great quotes about tipping that Sox cap to those Astros.
 

https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2021/10/23/red-sox-hitting-alcs-alex-cora-xander-bogaerts-kyle-schwarber/ (https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-red-sox/2021/10/23/red-sox-hitting-alcs-alex-cora-xander-bogaerts-kyle-schwarber/)


Don't worry, Kyle from Waltham. The Astros and their fans just gotta do their own tipping of the cap to you for that fabulous error you made in Game 5 that led to all those runs.

But...you're resilient, so there's that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 04:37:43 PM
Ham you're an idiot troll.

Thanks once again for proving it and that you do not understand the game nor acknowledge its streakiness.

LMAO

and fwiw, and for some balance and perspective take your sentence, "...for a team to go that cold..." and reverse  the temp.

It carries just as much poor sportsmanship as your original thought and is just as stupid.

But then again you are a stupid poor sport.

And you do deliver.

LMAO

now go pee in your pants elsewhere

You're trying to put on a game face, but we know you're crushed.

Sad you just can't be honest about how devastated you are.

Weak sauce, Little Richard.

LMAO

Wrong again troll.

You project your feelings of inadequacies.

Like any fan of a team that loses I'm disappointed.

But I don't so tie up my feelings of competence on what others control.

But I understand that people of more modest accomplishments, such as yourself, would take it so hard, crushed as you called it, as you've projected yourself to be.

You'll get over those tough losses and perhaps find the time to work on those personal weaknesses that have held you back for decades.

Best of luck Hammy on what will be a long and difficult journey to overcome yourself.   

But before you start your journey, you should change your pee-stained trousers.

And mop up that pee puddle you left. 


LMAO


Edit this was posted earlier today elsewhere


Quote from: bankshot1, post: 4703407, member: 9

I think most here understood the flaws of the '21 team and understood our likely ceiling. Well that ceiling was smashed and we got within a few feet of the penthouse. The Sox were both an easy team to cheer for and an easy team to swear at. But they gave us a summer of scoreboard watching, meaningful games, and a fun WC race, which was not settled until the last day of the season. You folks know the rest. So thanks Sox for a pretty good year that exceeded my expectations.



STILL IN DENIAL.Here, the hurt and pain peak through.

a fucking Fenway wall ball single ends the Sox season



we'll always have LAZ DIAZ![
/i]



You should just let it out, banks. You'll feel better.

Hammy I did let it out with my real time, game time,  in thread comments that you quoted.


You know like a real baseball fan would do if they were watching a game.

Oh, my bad, you wouldn't know.

Hammy a better question for you to examine, is why you feel the need to want me to feel sad, or depressed when I don't.

And nothing you can say about a baseball game will change that.

Its a game.

What is your crying need and what is your pay-off for being such an asshole?

and while you ponder those questions, change your pants.

But this time clean and wipe yourself first.

All the best

LMAO
 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 05:49:30 PM
Ham you're an idiot troll.

Thanks once again for proving it and that you do not understand the game nor acknowledge its streakiness.

LMAO

and fwiw, and for some balance and perspective take your sentence, "...for a team to go that cold..." and reverse  the temp.

It carries just as much poor sportsmanship as your original thought and is just as stupid.

But then again you are a stupid poor sport.

And you do deliver.

LMAO

now go pee in your pants elsewhere

You're trying to put on a game face, but we know you're crushed.

Sad you just can't be honest about how devastated you are.

Weak sauce, Little Richard.

0-2.

Can't read his mind, either.

Perhaps you are disappointed that we're proud of our team, not ashamed, not blaming Cora or anybody else.

I would tell you to get over it, but as far as I can tell, you have never gotten over any perceived slight in your life.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 23, 2021, 06:24:05 PM
Sad you just can't be honest about how devastated you are.

Weak sauce, Little Richard.



I think after a certain age these things affect you much less.  I am sure Bank and I (and likely you) have this in common.  Wins by sports teams are nice - but not really a big deal.


Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 10:26:06 PM
I feel about this game pretty much how I did last night's.

If the Dodgers can't score runs then there is not much to be done.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 10:46:42 PM
I feel about this game pretty much how I did last night's.

If the Dodgers can't score runs then there is not much to be done.

That's one!

Go Dodgers!

(I want more baseball and a Game 7!)
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 11:36:01 PM
Now or never, guys! Let's get it done!!
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 11:47:28 PM
Again, the better team won. They might not have been better with all hands on deck, but at the end of the season, that is seldom what you have.

Braves vs. Astros in the World Series, w/both Wild Cards finally eliminated!
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 23, 2021, 11:48:56 PM
Congrats to the Braves 


Good luck in the WS
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 11:49:06 PM
Two of you predicted the Braves in 6 games. Who was it?

Who will win? (The AL poll is in the Major League forum)
Dodgers in 7 - 0 (0%)
Dodgers in 6 - 1 (20%)
Dodgers in 5 - 1 (20%)
Dodgers in 4 - 0 (0%)
Braves in 4 - 0 (0%)
Braves in 5 - 1 (20%)
Braves in 6 - 2 (40%)
Braves in 7 - 0 (0%)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 23, 2021, 11:50:28 PM
One of us had the Astros in 6. Who was it?

Who will win the ALCS? (NL will be in the NLCS forum)
Red Sox in 7 - 0 (0%)
Red Sox in 6 - 2 (40%)
Red Sox in 5 - 1 (20%)
Red Sox in 4 - 1 (20%)
Astros in 4 - 0 (0%)
Astros in 5 - 0 (0%)
Astros in 6 - 1 (20%)
Astros in 7 - 0 (0%)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 06:47:05 AM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 06:52:27 AM
Dave Roberts is now officially Grady Little in LA.

Braves vs. Astros World Series odds
ATL: +130
HOU: -160

WS is Dusty Baker's to lose.

And he certainly knows how to do that.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 07:13:36 AM
Orel Hershiser blames Beuhler for the loss:

https://youtu.be/l1weY_oLJbw (https://youtu.be/l1weY_oLJbw)

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 07:51:41 AM
Orel Hershiser blames Beuhler for the loss:

https://youtu.be/l1weY_oLJbw (https://youtu.be/l1weY_oLJbw)

Buehler gave up the 3 run blast. He certainly bears some of the responsibility.

OTOH, he was pitching on 3 days rest, so Roberts certainly bears some of the responsibility.

Why was he pitching on 3 days rest? Because Scherzer couldn't pitch due to tired arm.

When did Scherzer declare tired arm? After his relief appearance.

The call to have him do that is still on Roberts, but predicting Scherzer would have such a problem under that circumstance sure seems like a stretch to me.



Nobody knew the Dodgers' bats were going that way/the Braves' arms were going that way.

I generally like Hershiser, but I think trying to point to an individual or even two as "the cause" overlooks the big picture for this series, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 08:00:10 AM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh

Atlanta and Houston are both refugees of the original NL West, anyway, so I think saying the NLW lost is not entirely fair. The Astros have still spent more time in the NLW than in any other division.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 24, 2021, 08:21:31 AM
One of us had the Astros in 6. Who was it?

Who will win the ALCS? (NL will be in the NLCS forum)
Red Sox in 7 - 0 (0%)
Red Sox in 6 - 2 (40%)
Red Sox in 5 - 1 (20%)
Red Sox in 4 - 1 (20%)
Astros in 4 - 0 (0%)
Astros in 5 - 0 (0%)
Astros in 6 - 1 (20%)
Astros in 7 - 0 (0%)
Moi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 09:02:13 AM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh

Atlanta and Houston are both refugees of the original NL West, anyway, so I think saying the NLW lost is not entirely fair. The Astros have still spent more time in the NLW than in any other division.

You missed the point. But probably because you follow the AL.

All season long, we heard how pathetic the NLE was and how GREAT the NLW was.

But the East forged resilient teams which overcame adversity,  and the Braves exemplify that.

The Braves would also like to thank the Indians for trading Rosario to them for Kung Fu Panda and cash.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 10:32:08 AM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh

Atlanta and Houston are both refugees of the original NL West, anyway, so I think saying the NLW lost is not entirely fair. The Astros have still spent more time in the NLW than in any other division.

You missed the point. But probably because you follow the AL.

All season long, we heard how pathetic the NLE was and how GREAT the NLW was.

But the East forged resilient teams which overcame adversity,  and the Braves exemplify that.

The Braves would also like to thank the Indians for trading Rosario to them for Kung Fu Panda and cash.

I think it's a stupid point.

Yes, the Braves beat one representative of the NL West. The other was beaten by their division-mate.

The top four teams in the NLW had only 13 fewer wins than the entire NLE. No team in the NLE had a winning record against the NLW and only one broke even. For that matter, the NLE had only 2 teams with a winning record against the NLC and none against the AL teams.

The NLE was and is pathetic in 2021.

The BRAVES won. That doesn't suddenly change how pathetic the division was.

Using your usual criterion, the AL East was by far and away the best division. Using mine, too. The NLE? Pathetic, no matter how you measure the group, regardless of the success of their best team. And during the regular season, that best team was only +1 outside their division. They destroyed their own defective NLE fellows. They were the worst outside their division of any of the playoff teams.

Of course, the 2nd worst were the Astros... but still +6, not a mere +1.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 11:59:25 AM
Usually the NL E is one of the stronger divisions in the NL. 

But as Josh noted by W/L stats or by looking at division win or run differentials, this year it was the shallow end of the pool.

The Braves to their credit got hot at the right time and were fortunate to meet the LADs with half their $350MM roster and most of their pitching staff MAI/injured.   

I hope they stay hot and beat the Astros.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 12:26:38 PM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh

Atlanta and Houston are both refugees of the original NL West, anyway, so I think saying the NLW lost is not entirely fair. The Astros have still spent more time in the NLW than in any other division.

You missed the point. But probably because you follow the AL.

All season long, we heard how pathetic the NLE was and how GREAT the NLW was.

But the East forged resilient teams which overcame adversity,  and the Braves exemplify that.

The Braves would also like to thank the Indians for trading Rosario to them for Kung Fu Panda and cash.

I think it's a stupid point.

Yes, the Braves beat one representative of the NL West. The other was beaten by their division-mate.

The top four teams in the NLW had only 13 fewer wins than the entire NLE. No team in the NLE had a winning record against the NLW and only one broke even. For that matter, the NLE had only 2 teams with a winning record against the NLC and none against the AL teams.

The NLE was and is pathetic in 2021.

The BRAVES won. That doesn't suddenly change how pathetic the division was.

Using your usual criterion, the AL East was by far and away the best division. Using mine, too. The NLE? Pathetic, no matter how you measure the group, regardless of the success of their best team. And during the regular season, that best team was only +1 outside their division. They destroyed their own defective NLE fellows. They were the worst outside their division of any of the playoff teams.

Of course, the 2nd worst were the Astros... but still +6, not a mere +1.

Nope. The Braves won the NLE because they were resilient, survived losing Acuna, made good trades, played good defense, and because the NLW was overrated, as was the ALE, but that's another story.

If you watched real baseball, you might have a clue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 12:27:29 PM


 

I hope they stay hot and beat the Astros.

So do the other people betting on them.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 12:46:02 PM
The BEST!!!

 https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2021-10-23/dodgers-front-office-failed-pitching-experiment-world-series (https://www.latimes.com/sports/dodgers/story/2021-10-23/dodgers-front-office-failed-pitching-experiment-world-series)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 12:46:43 PM


 

I hope they stay hot and beat the Astros.

So do the other people betting on them.

I don't bet baseball.

as kid has shown time and time again, its an easy way to lose money.

As an aside, speaking as a stat guy, a lot of people bet based on a team's starting pitcher, and with post-season baseball being determined by starters going 3-5 innings, or with an opener, starting pitching as a betting stat in the post-season has become less useful. It adds a lot more uncertainty (read that as risk) to the process.

my two scents.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 02:17:44 PM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh

Atlanta and Houston are both refugees of the original NL West, anyway, so I think saying the NLW lost is not entirely fair. The Astros have still spent more time in the NLW than in any other division.

You missed the point. But probably because you follow the AL.

All season long, we heard how pathetic the NLE was and how GREAT the NLW was.

But the East forged resilient teams which overcame adversity,  and the Braves exemplify that.

The Braves would also like to thank the Indians for trading Rosario to them for Kung Fu Panda and cash.

I think it's a stupid point.

Yes, the Braves beat one representative of the NL West. The other was beaten by their division-mate.

The top four teams in the NLW had only 13 fewer wins than the entire NLE. No team in the NLE had a winning record against the NLW and only one broke even. For that matter, the NLE had only 2 teams with a winning record against the NLC and none against the AL teams.

The NLE was and is pathetic in 2021.

The BRAVES won. That doesn't suddenly change how pathetic the division was.

Using your usual criterion, the AL East was by far and away the best division. Using mine, too. The NLE? Pathetic, no matter how you measure the group, regardless of the success of their best team. And during the regular season, that best team was only +1 outside their division. They destroyed their own defective NLE fellows. They were the worst outside their division of any of the playoff teams.

Of course, the 2nd worst were the Astros... but still +6, not a mere +1.

Nope. The Braves won the NLE because they were resilient, survived losing Acuna, made good trades, played good defense, and because the NLW was overrated, as was the ALE, but that's another story.

If you watched real baseball, you might have a clue.

Sure. Whatever you say.

The Dodgers survived losing Kershaw, until they lost Scherzer, too. They made good trades.

The Braves played better, but, as you have just demonstrated, the National League East sucked as a division. The Braves were good.

No defense of your position that the NLE was great and the NLW did not deserve their praise.

I, too, hope the Braves beat the Astros, but their division sucked.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 24, 2021, 02:38:01 PM
Divisional superiority trash talk is very compelling
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 04:18:33 PM
Divisional superiority trash talk is very compelling

It's better in this folder than in the World Series/NLCS/NLDS folder would have been!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 24, 2021, 04:38:23 PM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh

Atlanta and Houston are both refugees of the original NL West, anyway, so I think saying the NLW lost is not entirely fair. The Astros have still spent more time in the NLW than in any other division.

You missed the point. But probably because you follow the AL.

All season long, we heard how pathetic the NLE was and how GREAT the NLW was.

But the East forged resilient teams which overcame adversity,  and the Braves exemplify that.

The Braves would also like to thank the Indians for trading Rosario to them for Kung Fu Panda and cash.

I think it's a stupid point.

Yes, the Braves beat one representative of the NL West. The other was beaten by their division-mate.

The top four teams in the NLW had only 13 fewer wins than the entire NLE. No team in the NLE had a winning record against the NLW and only one broke even. For that matter, the NLE had only 2 teams with a winning record against the NLC and none against the AL teams.

The NLE was and is pathetic in 2021.

The BRAVES won. That doesn't suddenly change how pathetic the division was.

Using your usual criterion, the AL East was by far and away the best division. Using mine, too. The NLE? Pathetic, no matter how you measure the group, regardless of the success of their best team. And during the regular season, that best team was only +1 outside their division. They destroyed their own defective NLE fellows. They were the worst outside their division of any of the playoff teams.

Of course, the 2nd worst were the Astros... but still +6, not a mere +1.

Nope. The Braves won the NLE because they were resilient, survived losing Acuna, made good trades, played good defense, and because the NLW was overrated, as was the ALE, but that's another story.

If you watched real baseball, you might have a clue.

Sure. Whatever you say.

The Dodgers survived losing Kershaw, until they lost Scherzer, too. They made good trades.

The Braves played better, but, as you have just demonstrated, the National League East sucked as a division. The Braves were good.

No defense of your position that the NLE was great and the NLW did not deserve their praise.

I, too, hope the Braves beat the Astros, but their division sucked.

You must have just started watching baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2021, 05:10:03 PM
NL West?

You lose.

NL East? You're going to the World Series!!!

Heh

Atlanta and Houston are both refugees of the original NL West, anyway, so I think saying the NLW lost is not entirely fair. The Astros have still spent more time in the NLW than in any other division.

You missed the point. But probably because you follow the AL.

All season long, we heard how pathetic the NLE was and how GREAT the NLW was.

But the East forged resilient teams which overcame adversity,  and the Braves exemplify that.

The Braves would also like to thank the Indians for trading Rosario to them for Kung Fu Panda and cash.

I think it's a stupid point.

Yes, the Braves beat one representative of the NL West. The other was beaten by their division-mate.

The top four teams in the NLW had only 13 fewer wins than the entire NLE. No team in the NLE had a winning record against the NLW and only one broke even. For that matter, the NLE had only 2 teams with a winning record against the NLC and none against the AL teams.

The NLE was and is pathetic in 2021.

The BRAVES won. That doesn't suddenly change how pathetic the division was.

Using your usual criterion, the AL East was by far and away the best division. Using mine, too. The NLE? Pathetic, no matter how you measure the group, regardless of the success of their best team. And during the regular season, that best team was only +1 outside their division. They destroyed their own defective NLE fellows. They were the worst outside their division of any of the playoff teams.

Of course, the 2nd worst were the Astros... but still +6, not a mere +1.

Nope. The Braves won the NLE because they were resilient, survived losing Acuna, made good trades, played good defense, and because the NLW was overrated, as was the ALE, but that's another story.

If you watched real baseball, you might have a clue.

Sure. Whatever you say.

The Dodgers survived losing Kershaw, until they lost Scherzer, too. They made good trades.

The Braves played better, but, as you have just demonstrated, the National League East sucked as a division. The Braves were good.

No defense of your position that the NLE was great and the NLW did not deserve their praise.

I, too, hope the Braves beat the Astros, but their division sucked.

You must have just started watching baseball.

You sound like a Jets fan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 24, 2021, 05:15:20 PM
Actually he sounds like Red.

and is just as persuasive.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 24, 2021, 08:10:54 PM
Is this where I come for an argument?

- I told you ONCE.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 25, 2021, 09:10:48 AM
I'm pretty sure we got some arguments available here.

What size are you looking for small, medium large, X-large, or

Let me guess, children's small, right?

Kid's department is right over there.

heh
Title: Re: The Mickey Mouse World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 25, 2021, 03:25:19 PM
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mickey%20Mouse%20World%20Series (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mickey%20Mouse%20World%20Series)



Heh
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 06:14:41 PM
Buehler gave up the 3 run blast. He certainly bears some all of the responsibility.


- Kept waiting for Walker's moment.


Nope.
Title: Re: NLCS!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 25, 2021, 06:18:46 PM
Two of you predicted the Braves in 6 games. Who was it?

Who will win? (The AL poll is in the Major League forum)
Dodgers in 7 - 0 (0%)
Dodgers in 6 - 1 (20%)
Dodgers in 5 - 1 (20%)
Dodgers in 4 - 0 (0%)
Braves in 4 - 0 (0%)
Braves in 5 - 1 (20%)
Braves in 6 - 2 (40%)
Braves in 7 - 0 (0%)

Had the Braves

Now 4-4, including play in games

I'll go with Johnnie Baker for the title.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 25, 2021, 09:58:15 PM
Buehler gave up the 3 run blast. He certainly bears some all of the responsibility.


- Kept waiting for Walker's moment.


Nope.

I think that some were wondering why he was pitching to Rosario in that situation with anything that came inside. But, the Dodgers are saying that fatigue was a factor for Beuhler, who had to pitch because the Great One, Mad Max, bailed on the team.

Regarding the Series, i think the Braves are going to have to fight that feeling of "do we really belong here"? The Astros, however, seem wholly committed to finishing the season as World Champions.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2021, 10:12:31 AM
Rumors start. Schwarber to Philly?

https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/10/mlb-rumors-ex-yankees-mets-hitting-coach-will-help-phillies-land-red-sox-slugger-insider-says.html?outputType=amp (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/10/mlb-rumors-ex-yankees-mets-hitting-coach-will-help-phillies-land-red-sox-slugger-insider-says.html?outputType=amp)

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 26, 2021, 04:18:14 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-experts-make-2021-world-series-predictions
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 06:58:00 PM
CATON

Unsung hero
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2021, 07:49:35 PM
Astros in 6

Go Braves!

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 26, 2021, 07:52:45 PM
Astros in 6

Go Braves!

I went with Braves in 7.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 08:12:10 PM
Pay site
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 26, 2021, 08:13:25 PM
No shutout tonight.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2021, 08:14:33 PM
Phillies open 2022 in Houston.

That's if the season begins on time.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-almost-certain-to-have-first-work-stoppage-in-26-years-per-report/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-almost-certain-to-have-first-work-stoppage-in-26-years-per-report/)

CBA expires on December 1. Rumors are that winter meetings in Orlando will be cancelled.

So, MLB could crown its champ, then immediately prepare to shutdown.

Trick or treat.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2021, 08:30:32 PM
Astros come out swinging at Morton
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2021, 08:41:24 PM
No shutout tonight.

you may be right
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2021, 09:19:24 PM
another Fenway wall single!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2021, 09:21:46 PM
Haven't seen a Valdez disaster like this since 1989!

(https://www.whoi.edu/wp-content/uploads/bb-plugin/cache/oil_exxon_en1_142282-landscape.jpg)

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 26, 2021, 09:35:01 PM
Another long start by an NL pitcher.

I hope Morton is okay and can return later in the series.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2021, 09:40:41 PM
Another long start by an NL pitcher.

I hope Morton is okay and can return later in the series.

Stupid comment, Josh. Morton was injured. Valdez has no excuse.



Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 10:08:17 PM
Josh like a dog with a bone

heh
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 26, 2021, 10:11:04 PM
No shutout tonight.

For either team.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 26, 2021, 10:18:21 PM
Very fortunate

That could have been a 4 or 5 run miscue by Swanson

Think Astros may wish to use their backup catcher a little?

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 26, 2021, 10:44:05 PM
Sucks about Morton.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 26, 2021, 11:20:21 PM
Another long start by an NL pitcher.

I hope Morton is okay and can return later in the series.

Stupid comment, Josh. Morton was injured. Valdez has no excuse.

From the guy who accused Scherzer of quitting on his team and derided Biles.

TFF
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 27, 2021, 12:50:17 AM
Solid game by both bullpens, given the short outings by starters. Morton's injury would seem likely to hurt Atlanta in ways that Valdez's rapid exit will not hurt Houston (as we saw in the last series for them). Houston can only hope that they see the same kind of turnaround from him!

Can the Braves' bats keep going?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 27, 2021, 06:32:21 AM
Morton's fractured leg could prove to be THE difference in this series.

Per SI.COM, Kyle Wright or Drew Smiley could be who has to replace him.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 27, 2021, 09:12:27 AM
Looking for maybe Touki Toussaint (3-3, 4.50, 1.30)

Don't give Braves the "Ohhh, but we lost Morton" crutch.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 27, 2021, 09:57:52 PM
Very different game tonight.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 27, 2021, 11:28:01 PM
Very different game tonight.

Start to finish.

Off to Atlanta!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 28, 2021, 07:22:26 PM
 Factor this in to the pitching over the next few days. MLB hates rainouts. They'll make them play.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688 (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 28, 2021, 08:16:50 PM
Factor this in to the pitching over the next few days. MLB hates rainouts. They'll make them play.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688 (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688)

There's nothing in that weather forecast that should preclude their playing. Showers tomorrow night, not a deluge. And Saturday night has no rain in it.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2021, 08:21:22 AM
Factor this in to the pitching over the next few days. MLB hates rainouts. They'll make them play.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688 (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688)

There's nothing in that weather forecast that should preclude their playing. Showers tomorrow night, not a deluge. And Saturday night has no rain in it.

EXACTLY the problem for the pitching staffs, josh. NO DELUGE. A deluge would allow a reset for the team's staffs, but those rain delays that are likely would cause more use/overuse of the BPs.

So, when I wrote that you should factor this in to the pitching over the next few days, I thought anyone with a modicum of understanding of what is really going on in this series would get that.

Apparently, you're not someone who knows what is really going on in this series.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2021, 08:35:21 AM
Shohei Ohtani, Bryce Harper, Max Scherzer and Robbie Ray highlighted the list of those who claimed Players Choice Awards for the 2021 season. The awards, announced Thursday on ESPN, are presented by the Major League Baseball Players Association and are voted on by the players themselves.

Ohtani and Ray were named Outstanding Player and Outstanding Pitcher, respectively, for the American League, while Harper and Scherzer claimed Outstanding Player and Outstanding Pitcher for the National League, honors similar to the MVP and Cy Young awards that are voted on by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.



 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 08:47:29 AM
Shohei Ohtani, Bryce Harper, Max Scherzer and Robbie Ray highlighted the list of those who claimed Players Choice Awards for the 2021 season. The awards, announced Thursday on ESPN, are presented by the Major League Baseball Players Association and are voted on by the players themselves.

Ohtani and Ray were named Outstanding Player and Outstanding Pitcher, respectively, for the American League, while Harper and Scherzer claimed Outstanding Player and Outstanding Pitcher for the National League, honors similar to the MVP and Cy Young awards that are voted on by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.


I think the MLBPA should vote on Outstanding Baseball Writer of the Year.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 08:55:32 AM
Factor this in to the pitching over the next few days. MLB hates rainouts. They'll make them play.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688 (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688)

There's nothing in that weather forecast that should preclude their playing. Showers tomorrow night, not a deluge. And Saturday night has no rain in it.

EXACTLY the problem for the pitching staffs, josh. NO DELUGE. A deluge would allow a reset for the team's staffs, but those rain delays that are likely would cause more use/overuse of the BPs.

So, when I wrote that you should factor this in to the pitching over the next few days, I thought anyone with a modicum of understanding of what is really going on in this series would get that.

Apparently, you're not someone who knows what is really going on in this series.

I don't think the predicted possible showers will even get them a rain delay during the game tonight, Ham. And no rain during game time on Saturday or Sunday.

You missed my point altogether.

I think you are flat wrong about its being a significant factor unless the forecast changes or is in error.


And why every little disagreement means the other party must not understand what is going on in whatever scenario you are discussion, in your never humble opinion, is illuminating. Speaking of people who can never let go of a thing.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2021, 12:51:18 PM
Cold is the key.

50s, maybe even 40s all three days

10mph winds as well today and tomorrow

Advantage - BRAVES.  But wont be enough

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 29, 2021, 12:52:57 PM
Wow.  Nice to see Bryce get the respect of the players in the league.

My guess is he doesnt get the actual MVP
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 02:15:14 PM
https://tht.fangraphs.com/estimating-wind-effects-at-suntrust-park/

The winds tonight are not supposed to hit 10mph during the game and only maybe tomorrow night.

While it will make things chillier, the direction of the wind is not likely to add to the scoring, except maybe Sunday.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 05:11:19 PM
What happens when a ridiculous figure like 3.5 trillion dollars enters as a serious thought -

The 400+ million that this would cost seems small

heh

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/murphy-letter-cabinet-secretaries-horrific-decision

Whatever will the Braves do, now?!!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 08:28:07 PM
checked swing, miscalled
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 09:33:23 PM
Houston dodged a bullet. Only 1-0 for the Braves.

Garcia's thrown a lot of pitches for 3 innings, but a couple short ones could help him make it through 6, perhaps.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2021, 10:30:16 PM
Sorry, kid, you've given up no hits thru 5 innings. You're coming out of the game.

Okay, Coach.

What? How about fuck you, Coach, I'm out hing a nohitter in the fucking World Series! I ain't coming out.

Fuck this nerdball. No wonder people are walking away from the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2021, 10:31:21 PM
Shohei Ohtani, Bryce Harper, Max Scherzer and Robbie Ray highlighted the list of those who claimed Players Choice Awards for the 2021 season. The awards, announced Thursday on ESPN, are presented by the Major League Baseball Players Association and are voted on by the players themselves.

Ohtani and Ray were named Outstanding Player and Outstanding Pitcher, respectively, for the American League, while Harper and Scherzer claimed Outstanding Player and Outstanding Pitcher for the National League, honors similar to the MVP and Cy Young awards that are voted on by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.


I think the MLBPA should vote on Outstanding Baseball Writer of the Year.

Good one. Spot on.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 10:48:49 PM
The TV ratings don't align with your perception of people's walking away from the game, even if it also doesn't show folks running to it, either.

Numbers still suck compared to 2003 or even 2015, but they are better than last year and in many cases better than 2019. The loss of the Dodgers and the Red Sox hurt the WS numbers a lot.

https://deadline.com/2021/10/2021-world-series-opener-rises-atlanta-braves-bachelorette-slip-1234863389/

https://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2021/10/mlb-postseason-ratings-lcs-viewership-dodgers-braves-game-6-tbs/

Quote
he average viewership for the 2021 MLB postseason through the division series was at its highest marks since 2018. Viewership is up 89% from the 2020 MLB playoffs and there is a 3% spike from the playoffs in 2019.

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/10/boston-red-soxs-wild-card-game-win-over-yankees-was-most-watched-mlb-game-on-espn-since-1998-delivered-198-rating-in-boston-market.html

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2021, 11:02:43 PM
Major League Baseball welcomed fans back into the stands in 2021, but attendance was at a generational low.

The league saw 45.3 million fans attend regular-season games in 2021, a 33.9% drop from the 68.5 million in 2019, and the lowest figure since 1984.

Certain caveats apply: Many teams only opened to full capacity by midseason, and the Toronto Blue Jays played at alternate sites until late July due to Canadian travel restrictions.

However, fans also watched fewer games from home.


https://frontofficesports.com/mlb-attendance-hits-37-year-low/ (https://frontofficesports.com/mlb-attendance-hits-37-year-low/)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2021, 11:04:35 PM
According to a survey by Sports Business Journal, MLB's average fan age is 57, which is far higher than that of the National Basketball Association (NBA), National Football League (NFL), and National Hockey League (NHL), whose average ages are 42, 50 and 49 respectively.


Game is in trouble.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 29, 2021, 11:09:05 PM
Compared to 2019, the last full 162 game season, the 29 regional sports networks measured by Nielsen saw a drop of -12%. What is concerning for the league is all RSNs saw a drop compared to 2019, except for the Tigers (+40%), Padres (+71%), A
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 29, 2021, 11:38:31 PM
Factor this in to the pitching over the next few days. MLB hates rainouts. They'll make them play.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688 (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688)

There's nothing in that weather forecast that should preclude their playing. Showers tomorrow night, not a deluge. And Saturday night has no rain in it.

EXACTLY the problem for the pitching staffs, josh. NO DELUGE. A deluge would allow a reset for the team's staffs, but those rain delays that are likely would cause more use/overuse of the BPs.

So, when I wrote that you should factor this in to the pitching over the next few days, I thought anyone with a modicum of understanding of what is really going on in this series would get that.

Apparently, you're not someone who knows what is really going on in this series.

Cold is the key.

50s, maybe even 40s all three days

10mph winds as well today and tomorrow

Advantage - BRAVES.  But wont be enough

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688

Good game for the Braves!

And thank the gods that they managed to overcome those rain delays and that vicious wind.

The advantage to the Braves of the weather may not be enough, but better to be up 2-1 than down.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 01:34:02 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/red-sox-dismiss-first-base-coach-tom-goodwin

It's not about the vaccination issue, they explained.

Not that they had any other explanation...
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 07:51:54 AM
Factor this in to the pitching over the next few days. MLB hates rainouts. They'll make them play.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688 (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688)

There's nothing in that weather forecast that should preclude their playing. Showers tomorrow night, not a deluge. And Saturday night has no rain in it.

EXACTLY the problem for the pitching staffs, josh. NO DELUGE. A deluge would allow a reset for the team's staffs, but those rain delays that are likely would cause more use/overuse of the BPs.

So, when I wrote that you should factor this in to the pitching over the next few days, I thought anyone with a modicum of understanding of what is really going on in this series would get that.

Apparently, you're not someone who knows what is really going on in this series.

Cold is the key.

50s, maybe even 40s all three days

10mph winds as well today and tomorrow

Advantage - BRAVES.  But wont be enough

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688

Good game for the Braves!

And thank the gods that they managed to overcome those rain delays and that vicious wind.

The advantage to the Braves of the weather may not be enough, but better to be up 2-1 than down.

The gods proved you're still a dick.

The weather WAS a factor.

Then again, youve never played baseball, so there's that.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 30, 2021, 08:46:20 AM
Major League Baseball welcomed fans back into the stands in 2021, but attendance was at a generational low.

The league saw 45.3 million fans attend regular-season games in 2021, a 33.9% drop from the 68.5 million in 2019, and the lowest figure since 1984.

Certain caveats apply: Many teams only opened to full capacity by midseason, and the Toronto Blue Jays played at alternate sites until late July due to Canadian travel restrictions.

However, fans also watched fewer games from home.


https://frontofficesports.com/mlb-attendance-hits-37-year-low/ (https://frontofficesports.com/mlb-attendance-hits-37-year-low/)
I am sure it is because of Colin Kaepernick, kneeling players and Black Lives Matter.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 08:54:26 AM
Get a life, Kuntzler.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 09:06:45 AM
Get a life, Kuntzler.

Ham says, "I have no meaningful rebuttal, HL."
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 09:56:51 AM
Get a life, Kuntzler.

Ham says, "I have no meaningful rebuttal, HL."

There was no argument put forth.



Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 30, 2021, 10:35:18 AM
Get a life, Kuntzler.

Ham says, "I have no meaningful rebuttal, HL."

There was no argument put forth.
Not one that you were able to interstand you mean.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2021, 11:13:07 AM
I had mixed feeling when Anderson got pulled. We are seeing a new type of game evolve. I understand that winning is the goal, and the dreaded 3rd time through must be avoided, but...

Coincidently I was at the Lonborg 1-hitter G2 '67 WS, sitting in right-center, when Julian Javier doubled in the 8th and thought "shit there goes the no-hitter".

Even more coincidently I saw Ian Anderson in November 1969. He sucked, he didn't have his good stuff. Although to be fair the '21 Braves are better than the '69 Jethro Tulls.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 11:38:24 AM
I had mixed feeling when Anderson got pulled. We are seeing a new type of game evolve. I understand that winning is the goal, and the dreaded 3rd time through must be avoided, but...

Coincidently I was at the Lonborg 1-hitter G2 '67 WS, sitting in right-center, when Julian Javier doubled in the 8th and thought "shit there goes the no-hitter".

Even more coincidently I saw Ian Anderson in November 1969. He sucked, he didn't have his good stuff. Although to be fair the '21 Braves are better than the '69 Jethro Tulls.

My wife made a Tull reference last night and I missed it, because I'm thick as a brick.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 11:40:18 AM
Get a life, Kuntzler.

Ham says, "I have no meaningful rebuttal, HL."

There was no argument put forth.
Not one that you were able to interstand you mean.

Not one you could ever make, let alone made.



Hope no pays you to be their lawyer, Kuntzler.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 11:50:08 AM
Get a life, Kuntzler.

Ham says, "I have no meaningful rebuttal, HL."

There was no argument put forth.
Not one that you were able to interstand you mean.

Not one you could ever make, let alone made.



Hope no pays you to be their lawyer, Kuntzler.

Hope no pays you to be their editor or English teacher, Ham.

And if you thought he made no argument to be understood then this response from you is totally lacking reference.

Instead, you disprove your claim that there was no argument.

Nothing new here, though.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 12:30:11 PM
(https://www.morrisonhotelgallery.com/images/big/Jethro%20Tull%20-%20Ian%20Anderson%20Pointing.jpg)

Quite upset about getting pulled when I'm pitching a no-no!

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 12:30:59 PM
Get a life, Kuntzler.

Ham says, "I have no meaningful rebuttal, HL."

There was no argument put forth.
Not one that you were able to interstand you mean.

Not one you could ever make, let alone made.



Hope no pays you to be their lawyer, Kuntzler.

Hope no pays you to be their editor or English teacher, Ham.

And if you thought he made no argument to be understood then this response from you is totally lacking reference.

Instead, you disprove your claim that there was no argument.

Nothing new here, though.

GFY, Josh.

Nothing from nothing means nothing.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 01:09:29 PM
Get a life, Kuntzler.

Ham says, "I have no meaningful rebuttal, HL."

There was no argument put forth.
Not one that you were able to interstand you mean.

Not one you could ever make, let alone made.



Hope no pays you to be their lawyer, Kuntzler.

Hope no pays you to be their editor or English teacher, Ham.

And if you thought he made no argument to be understood then this response from you is totally lacking reference.

Instead, you disprove your claim that there was no argument.

Nothing new here, though.

GFY, Josh.

Nothing from nothing means nothing.

Nothing's just another word for freedom left to lose, Ham.

And your continued inability to marshal a substantial response underscores the point.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 01:32:56 PM
Please explain the argument that you think was made.

here is what was posted.

I am sure it is because of Colin Kaepernick, kneeling players and Black Lives Matter.


There was NO argument made, and thereby I have no obligation to respond to something that does not exist.

 If the antagonist wishes to explain how Colin Kaepernick, kneeling players and Black Lives Matter have impacted baseball's attendance, he can do so. He has not done so.

What he has posted makes as much sense as if one wrote Pocahontas, Marlon Brando, and The Ramones in response to clear evidence of MLB's declining interest, evidence  to which you yourself have yet to respond.


 

If you would like me to respond to the antagonist's vacuous post, go right ahead. 
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 01:50:44 PM
Please explain the argument that you think was made.

here is what was posted.

I am sure it is because of Colin Kaepernick, kneeling players and Black Lives Matter.


There was NO argument made, and thereby I have no obligation to respond to something that does not exist.


The argument that you seem to be missing is that since you attributed the decline in NFL ratings to Kaepernick and kneeling players and you attributed the decline in NBA ratings to BLM, obviously they must be responsible for the decline in MLB ratings, too, in your opinion, Ham, because you are so consistent.

(Not.)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 02:13:38 PM
Please explain the argument that you think was made.

here is what was posted.

I am sure it is because of Colin Kaepernick, kneeling players and Black Lives Matter.


There was NO argument made, and thereby I have no obligation to respond to something that does not exist.


The argument that you seem to be missing is that since you attributed the decline in NFL ratings to Kaepernick and kneeling players and you attributed the decline in NBA ratings to BLM, obviously they must be responsible for the decline in MLB ratings, too, in your opinion, Ham, because you are so consistent.

(Not.)

I see. So it was not an argument, just pure conjecture and nonsense.

Thanks for proving that he and you are both a part of the same state of delusion.

Head back to your echo chamber.

Fuckhead.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 03:39:11 PM
Please explain the argument that you think was made.

here is what was posted.

I am sure it is because of Colin Kaepernick, kneeling players and Black Lives Matter.


There was NO argument made, and thereby I have no obligation to respond to something that does not exist.


The argument that you seem to be missing is that since you attributed the decline in NFL ratings to Kaepernick and kneeling players and you attributed the decline in NBA ratings to BLM, obviously they must be responsible for the decline in MLB ratings, too, in your opinion, Ham, because you are so consistent.

(Not.)

I see. So it was not an argument, just pure conjecture and nonsense.

Thanks for proving that he and you are both a part of the same state of delusion.

Head back to your echo chamber.

Fuckhead.

Ham denies the obvious and pretends it doesn't apply to him.

More and more, he resembles Ward: lie, deny, and obfuscate.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 04:36:51 PM
Please explain the argument that you think was made.

here is what was posted.

I am sure it is because of Colin Kaepernick, kneeling players and Black Lives Matter.


There was NO argument made, and thereby I have no obligation to respond to something that does not exist.


The argument that you seem to be missing is that since you attributed the decline in NFL ratings to Kaepernick and kneeling players and you attributed the decline in NBA ratings to BLM, obviously they must be responsible for the decline in MLB ratings, too, in your opinion, Ham, because you are so consistent.

(Not.)

I see. So it was not an argument, just pure conjecture and nonsense.

Thanks for proving that he and you are both a part of the same state of delusion.

Head back to your echo chamber.

Fuckhead.

Ham denies the obvious and pretends it doesn't apply to him.

More and more, he resembles Ward: lie, deny, and obfuscate.

I see you have no rebuttal.

Heh
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 30, 2021, 04:51:14 PM
I had mixed feeling when Anderson got pulled. We are seeing a new type of game evolve. I understand that winning is the goal, and the dreaded 3rd time through must be avoided, but...

Coincidently I was at the Lonborg 1-hitter G2 '67 WS, sitting in right-center, when Julian Javier doubled in the 8th and thought "shit there goes the no-hitter".

Even more coincidently I saw Ian Anderson in November 1969. He sucked, he didn't have his good stuff. Although to be fair the '21 Braves are better than the '69 Jethro Tulls.

My wife made a Tull reference last night and I missed it, because I'm thick as a brick.

Although maybe when she pointed out that you had, "snot running down your nose" it may not have been a Tull reference?

heh
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 04:55:59 PM
I had mixed feeling when Anderson got pulled. We are seeing a new type of game evolve. I understand that winning is the goal, and the dreaded 3rd time through must be avoided, but...

Coincidently I was at the Lonborg 1-hitter G2 '67 WS, sitting in right-center, when Julian Javier doubled in the 8th and thought "shit there goes the no-hitter".

Even more coincidently I saw Ian Anderson in November 1969. He sucked, he didn't have his good stuff. Although to be fair the '21 Braves are better than the '69 Jethro Tulls.

My wife made a Tull reference last night and I missed it, because I'm thick as a brick.

Although maybe when she pointed out that you had, "snot running down your nose" it may not have been a Tull reference?

heh

The real shocker is that someone married such a pedantic tool as Josh.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 05:19:11 PM
A load of bull: https://www.npr.org/2021/10/29/1050485610/peta-wants-mlb-to-rename-the-bullpen-to-arm-barn (https://www.npr.org/2021/10/29/1050485610/peta-wants-mlb-to-rename-the-bullpen-to-arm-barn)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 06:59:51 PM
I had mixed feeling when Anderson got pulled. We are seeing a new type of game evolve. I understand that winning is the goal, and the dreaded 3rd time through must be avoided, but...

Coincidently I was at the Lonborg 1-hitter G2 '67 WS, sitting in right-center, when Julian Javier doubled in the 8th and thought "shit there goes the no-hitter".

Even more coincidently I saw Ian Anderson in November 1969. He sucked, he didn't have his good stuff. Although to be fair the '21 Braves are better than the '69 Jethro Tulls.

My wife made a Tull reference last night and I missed it, because I'm thick as a brick.

Although maybe when she pointed out that you had, "snot running down your nose" it may not have been a Tull reference?

heh

The real shocker is that someone married such a pedantic tool as Josh.

The real question is whether Ham can figure out why this stupid attack won't get him in trouble, compared with his comments that did.

His prior protestations would suggest not, but maybe he'll surprise us.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 30, 2021, 07:56:44 PM
According to a survey by Sports Business Journal, MLB's average fan age is 57, which is far higher than that of the National Basketball Association (NBA), National Football League (NFL), and National Hockey League (NHL), whose average ages are 42, 50 and 49 respectively.


Game is in trouble.

Maybe a great player - or 2 of them on the same team - will bring fannies back.

ANGELS '22
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 30, 2021, 08:15:59 PM
Dylan Lee walked just SIX batters all season, vs 57 K

...as Brantley walks
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 10:17:52 PM
Trump cannot tell the truth about almost anything:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10016685-mlb-says-it-didnt-invite-donald-trump-to-game-4-of-world-series-at-truist-park
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 30, 2021, 10:44:04 PM
"He called MLB and wanted to come to the game. We were very surprised. Of course, we said yes."



Of course.

Had his own suite.

Likely gratis.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 30, 2021, 10:46:01 PM
Riley's a monster.

I liked the matchup for Houston.  No knocking Dusty here.

Should Astros bench Alvarez tomorrow?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 11:06:56 PM
I had mixed feeling when Anderson got pulled. We are seeing a new type of game evolve. I understand that winning is the goal, and the dreaded 3rd time through must be avoided, but...

Coincidently I was at the Lonborg 1-hitter G2 '67 WS, sitting in right-center, when Julian Javier doubled in the 8th and thought "shit there goes the no-hitter".

Even more coincidently I saw Ian Anderson in November 1969. He sucked, he didn't have his good stuff. Although to be fair the '21 Braves are better than the '69 Jethro Tulls.

My wife made a Tull reference last night and I missed it, because I'm thick as a brick.

Although maybe when she pointed out that you had, "snot running down your nose" it may not have been a Tull reference?

heh

The real shocker is that someone married such a pedantic tool as Josh.

The real question is whether Ham can figure out why this stupid attack won't get him in trouble, compared with his comments that did.

His prior protestations would suggest not, but maybe he'll surprise us.

Let us know when you're done trying to bait me like you've been doing for the last few weeks, pedantic one.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 30, 2021, 11:19:50 PM
Wow - Dusty took out Gurriel
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 30, 2021, 11:20:53 PM
Cristian Javier. Any relation to Jose Mesa?

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 30, 2021, 11:28:30 PM
Dusty wasnt ready for that first HR.  Pitcher wasnt warm.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 30, 2021, 11:39:28 PM
I had mixed feeling when Anderson got pulled. We are seeing a new type of game evolve. I understand that winning is the goal, and the dreaded 3rd time through must be avoided, but...

Coincidently I was at the Lonborg 1-hitter G2 '67 WS, sitting in right-center, when Julian Javier doubled in the 8th and thought "shit there goes the no-hitter".

Even more coincidently I saw Ian Anderson in November 1969. He sucked, he didn't have his good stuff. Although to be fair the '21 Braves are better than the '69 Jethro Tulls.

My wife made a Tull reference last night and I missed it, because I'm thick as a brick.

Although maybe when she pointed out that you had, "snot running down your nose" it may not have been a Tull reference?

heh

The real shocker is that someone married such a pedantic tool as Josh.

The real question is whether Ham can figure out why this stupid attack won't get him in trouble, compared with his comments that did.

His prior protestations would suggest not, but maybe he'll surprise us.

Let us know when you're done trying to bait me like you've been doing for the last few weeks, pedantic one.

You think that's baiting?

More likely, you just don't have an answer.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 12:12:58 AM
Factor this in to the pitching over the next few days. MLB hates rainouts. They'll make them play.

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688 (https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688)

There's nothing in that weather forecast that should preclude their playing. Showers tomorrow night, not a deluge. And Saturday night has no rain in it.

EXACTLY the problem for the pitching staffs, josh. NO DELUGE. A deluge would allow a reset for the team's staffs, but those rain delays that are likely would cause more use/overuse of the BPs.

So, when I wrote that you should factor this in to the pitching over the next few days, I thought anyone with a modicum of understanding of what is really going on in this series would get that.

Apparently, you're not someone who knows what is really going on in this series.

Cold is the key.

50s, maybe even 40s all three days

10mph winds as well today and tomorrow

Advantage - BRAVES.  But wont be enough

https://weather.com/weather/tenday/l/Atlanta+GA?canonicalCityId=508c6a2d4ca8386de1772c4316073b1448fb270ee2d264d01c7b2a4b33073688

Good game for the Braves!

And thank the gods that they managed to overcome those rain delays and that vicious wind.

The advantage to the Braves of the weather may not be enough, but better to be up 2-1 than down.

The rain and wind continue to play hob with the games, but the Braves have managed to get to 3-1 up.

As we all know, that is no guarantee. The Braves know that. The Astros know that.

But it sure is an advantage!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 12:33:12 AM
I would not have been surprised to see this one end at 2-1 and was very gratified by the back-to-back homers. I agree that Dusty was caught off guard by the first one and had too little time to scramble.

This series is, generally speaking, a lot tighter than the one the Astros had to get here.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 08:33:33 AM
America hates the Astros more than they like Dusty Baker.

America hopes the Braves close it out, tonight

Zack Greinke did his job, though.

Braves lefties are shutting down Houston the way they shut down LA.

Pitching and defense usually wins.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 08:45:39 AM
Third letter is the best!

https://news.yahoo.com/letters-sports-readers-vent-dodgers-120037332.html (https://news.yahoo.com/letters-sports-readers-vent-dodgers-120037332.html)

LMFAO!!!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 11:14:32 AM
America hates the Astros more than they like Dusty Baker.

America hopes the Braves close it out, tonight

Zack Greinke did his job, though.

Braves lefties are shutting down Houston the way they shut down LA.

Pitching and defense usually wins.

For me, it is that it has been so much longer since the Braves won than the Astros have.

Greinke was amazing.

Can the Braves close it out tonight?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 12:27:20 PM
Jerry Remy has passed after a long battle with cancer.

Jerry was a small ballplayer with a big game and a bigger heart.

Jerry impacted many Sox fans in positive ways as both a hustling and very talented player and in his latter years an entertaining,  informative and insightful TV analyst. He was very good. 

And we prayed for Jerry's relief from this terrible disease.

A sad day for RSN and baseball fans.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/31/sports/jerry-remy-dies/
 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/31/sports/jerry-remy-dies/)

RIP RemDawg
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 02:09:07 PM
Remy was the guy taking kickbacks from beer distributors for his restaurant.

And his kid is a convicted murderet.

So...a...uh...

Crook.

But RSN's crook, so RIP, Remy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 31, 2021, 02:32:21 PM
Classy is as classy does.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 02:45:30 PM
Classy is as classy does.

its not a surprise that a fucking asshole produces nothing but shit.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 03:16:11 PM
Classy is as classy does.

its not a surprise that a fucking asshole produces nothing but shit.

Remy WAS an asshole, yes, the evidence is there.

But he was YOUR asshole, so RIP, banksy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 03:24:09 PM
Great kids. Besides the murderer son, Jordan Remy was arrested for underage possession of alcohol, but the charges were dismissed, according to Sports Grind.

In 2013, the Somerville Times reported that Jenna Remy was arrested for resisting arrest, wanton malicious defacement, assault and battery with a dangerous weapon, disorderly conduct and misdemeanor breaking and entering for breaking into her ex-boyfriend

Wow, with kids like that he needs to RIP.

But at least the family fit in with other Bostonians.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 03:38:26 PM
Classy is as classy does.

its not a surprise that a fucking asshole produces nothing but shit.

Remy WAS an asshole, yes, the evidence is there.

But he was YOUR asshole, so RIP, banksy.

My interaction with Remy was 1-way. I enjoyed him as a ballplayer and as a color guy. He was good at what he did, and it seems for all his faults, he had friends and colleagues who loved and respected him.

But he wasn't my asshole.

You, on the other hand, I interact with on a 2-way basis. While limited in nature, I have a more nuanced and developed relationship and have more insight into your character.

And I can say without a moment's hesitation, you're a nasty fucking asshole, who produces nothing but shit.

Now wash and wipe yourself, you smell like you.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 03:58:00 PM
Classy is as classy does.

its not a surprise that a fucking asshole produces nothing but shit.

Remy WAS an asshole, yes, the evidence is there.

But he was YOUR asshole, so RIP, banksy.

My interaction with Remy was 1-way. I enjoyed him as a ballplayer and as a color guy. He was good at what he did, and it seems for all his faults, he had friends and colleagues who loved and respected him.

But he wasn't my asshole.

You, on the other hand, I interact with on a 2-way basis. While limited in nature, I have a more nuanced and developed relationship and have more insight into your character.

And I can say without a moment's hesitation, you're a nasty fucking asshole, who produces nothing but shit.

Now wash and wipe yourself, you smell like you.

Sorry, your hero has feet of clay, with the stink of criminal behavior attached.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 04:08:22 PM
Hero?

No.

Just a ballplayer and entertainer who died from a terrible disease that he fought for years, and to whom I paid my respects on that basis.

You know, what normal people do.

Oh, right, never mind.

But Hammy human or not, you should still wash and wipe yourself as you still reek of shit.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 04:43:02 PM
Hero?

No.

Just a ballplayer and entertainer who died from a terrible disease that he fought for years, and to whom I paid my respects on that basis.

You know, what normal people do.

Oh, right, never mind.

But Hammy human or not, you should still wash and wipe yourself as you still reek of shit.

A terrible self-inflicted disease. For 16 years, his wife begged him to quit smoking. He didn't.

Oh, well.

Your inability to accept reality is clouding your judgement, Homer.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 05:17:06 PM
Fuckin Johnny Baker

Dude, we know you could never will your team to close but if you lose this in 5.. well - that would be an all time embarrassment
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 05:36:29 PM
Fuckin Johnny Baker

Dude, we know you could never will your team to close but if you lose this in 5.. well - that would be an all time embarrassment

He's the black Gene Mauch.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 06:25:58 PM
Black folk won't show to watch white players

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/us/atlanta-braves-history-racism-blake/index.html

"The park has a TRUMP feel to it"

Funny.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 07:11:31 PM
Black folk won't show to watch white players

https://www.cnn.com/2021/10/31/us/atlanta-braves-history-racism-blake/index.html

"The park has a TRUMP feel to it"

Funny.

Funny, how?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 07:28:26 PM
Funny that he feels that way.  That Trump is so in his head.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 31, 2021, 07:48:48 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 08:02:34 PM
LMAO

Hammy you're the biggest homer on this forum.

I gave my condolences and acknowledged death, and there is no greater reality than accepting our mortality.

But you're correct in one regard, my hoping that you might reflect upon your shallow and indecent behavior and one day might stumble across a path to decency and take a single step, was faulty judgement.

You're not capable.

And HOMER that is meant in the broadest of ways.

now scrub up you dung encrusted moron.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 08:05:12 PM
I wonder if Joe Buck will mention the passing of one of his brother's in broadcasting, the late Jerry Remy.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 08:07:01 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 09:48:28 PM
90 minutes for the first 3 innings.

Hope the rest of the game goes more swiftly.

Sort of.

Torn about wanting more baseball vs. wanting the Braves to win and not risk letting the Astros back into it!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 09:56:15 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.

They won't allow my handle, so...

Nothing to do with '86 Mets allowed.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 10:11:36 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.

They won't allow my handle, so...

Nothing to do with '86 Mets allowed.

Priorities, man.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:12:26 PM
Hard to root for the Braves, and its escape from actual Atlanta. Ironic they praise Hank Aaron, while making sure to build their stadium in Whitelandia, aka Cobb County.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 10:16:03 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.

They won't allow my handle, so...

Nothing to do with '86 Mets allowed.

LMAO

That's bullshit.

kid would rather be Elba's village idiot and tolerated than banned on his 1st day at SoSH.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:17:45 PM
Kyle Tucker could silence those Choppers.

But...nope.

2 out, Bergman redemption time?

Nope, BB.

MALDONADO gets the task.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:22:17 PM
3-1...

And...walks in the tying run.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:24:35 PM
Gonzalez makes it 7-5.

Silence in Whitelandia.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 10:28:02 PM
Marwin Gonzalez!

Who says the Red Sox are not represented in this series...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:28:05 PM
You sure use a lot of words to write nothing.

Go on with your eulogy to the dead crook, absentee dad and idiot who killed himself and raised three criminals.

It's entertaining.

Heh

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:41:14 PM
2 outs, first base open, no need to pitch to Rosario.

They ARE.

And they got him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 10:50:59 PM
Troll

Its not my concern you have the reading skills of a cretin and do not understand a message of condolence.

Nor is it my concern that you do not understand that despite his flaws,  Jerry Remy connected with millions of baseball fans based on his ability to both play the game and to communicate his love for the game for over 40 years.

He connected with people.

You repel them so you don't understand.

Here's a link to one of several articles about Remy and the respect, admiration, affection and love his colleagues and teammates had for him.


https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/31/sports/jerry-remy-red-sox-broadcast-career/ (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/10/31/sports/jerry-remy-red-sox-broadcast-career/)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 10:52:38 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.

They won't allow my handle, so...

Nothing to do with '86 Mets allowed.

I just registered Buckner's Bad Ankles as a back-up handle @ SoSH.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:54:59 PM
Hey, they're acknowledging your dead guy!

Failed to mention how he killed himself, and his son killed another, and his other kids were violent criminals, too

Too bad.

But hey, that's Fox. They tend to shape the news and not report it accurately.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 10:55:14 PM
And Joe Buck just delivered a eulogy to Remy on tonight's World Series broadcast.

to quote Buck, "a sad, sad loss for all of baseball, and beloved in all New England"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 10:56:34 PM
Jerry Remy connected with millions of baseball fans based on his ability to both play the game and to communicate his love for the game for over 40 years.

And Mussolini made the trains run on time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 11:00:02 PM
You really are an idiot.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 11:01:26 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.

They won't allow my handle, so...

Nothing to do with '86 Mets allowed.

I just registered Buckner's Bad Ankles as a back-up handle @ SoSH.

Sosh is defined by the Urban Dictionary as ...Socially off- socially awkward. A person who doesn't know how to act around people. Usually stares and awkwardly tries to jump into conversation.

That pretty much describes banks.

No wonder he like SoSH.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 31, 2021, 11:02:07 PM
You really are an idiot.

Will they be building a statue to your dead crook?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 11:06:34 PM
90 minutes for the first 3 innings.

Hope the rest of the game goes more swiftly.

Sort of.

Torn about wanting more baseball vs. wanting the Braves to win and not risk letting the Astros back into it!

The Astros have their lead - if they can hold it, back to Houston the Series will go.

Six innings in and they have speeded up the game. Only 2 hours and 45 minutes, instead of a full 3 hours. Another 3 at that pace and it will settle at 4 hours, even.

And the Red Sox and Yankees aren't even in it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 11:07:27 PM
You really are an idiot.

Will they be building a statue to your dead crook?

As ever, your need to attack all things Boston is bizarre and uniquely callous.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 11:10:46 PM
I don't think Remy will get a statue, but maybe with the money he has helped raise for cancer awareness, there will be a Jerry Remy patient waiting room, where parents and sick kids can watch the Sox at the Dana Farber Cancer Center.

Just like Mussolini.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 11:19:38 PM
And Joe Buck just delivered a eulogy to Remy on tonight's World Series broadcast.

to quote Buck, "a sad, sad loss for all of baseball, and beloved in all New England"

Quite a few retired ballplayers die each season.  Maybe Joe would like to name some of the others in the next broadcast.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on October 31, 2021, 11:20:16 PM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.

They won't allow my handle, so...

Nothing to do with '86 Mets allowed.

I just registered Buckner's Bad Ankles as a back-up handle @ SoSH.

Sosh is defined by the Urban Dictionary as ...Socially off- socially awkward. A person who doesn't know how to act around people. Usually stares and awkwardly tries to jump into conversation.

That pretty much describes banks.

No wonder he like SoSH.

Heh

LMAO

Some fact checking of the troll

I know its meaningless but I had never seen that definition, so I checked.

The troll's source:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sosh (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sosh)

Short for the word social, meaning to go out and socialise with other people.

"mate you going out tonight? Because i am so game for the sosh!"

"Im having such a good time the sosh is electric!"


Poor troll even his rebuttals are frauds.

Big surprise.

HEH


Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 11:46:44 PM
Sorry - I am leaving Stanek in bottom 8.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 11:47:26 PM
And Joe Buck just delivered a eulogy to Remy on tonight's World Series broadcast.

to quote Buck, "a sad, sad loss for all of baseball, and beloved in all New England"

Quite a few retired ballplayers die each season.  Maybe Joe would like to name some of the others in the next broadcast.

You do a poor job of imitating Ham. Stick to Ward.

And not very many of those retired ballplayers (a) die during the World Series and (b) were also long time announcers.

You are such an asshole, Kid.

And the reason you decided against SoSH is that they won't put up with your bullshit and I will.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on October 31, 2021, 11:48:27 PM
Sorry - I am leaving Stanek in bottom 8.

Seems pretty reasonable to me, Kid. I'd likely have done the same.

But I doubt this will come back to bite Baker.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 11:51:41 PM
How do you remove a guy and replace him with an arm that may not have it tonight?

Ridiculous, Baker.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 11:55:26 PM
I would think Henry Aaron deserves a mention.  As does Eddie Robinson, who died this month.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 31, 2021, 11:57:57 PM
Prayers out to Dusty.  I see he is wearing a mask.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 12:02:03 AM
How do you remove a guy and replace him with an arm that may not have it tonight?

Ridiculous, Baker.

Perhaps he knows something you don't know.

Just the slightest chance, huh?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 01, 2021, 12:04:03 AM
HOU middle relief

5 1/3
4 hits
0 BB
5 K
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 12:08:16 AM
I would think Henry Aaron deserves a mention.  As does Eddie Robinson, who died this month.

You must have missed the Henry Aaron mentions, Kid.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 12:19:55 AM
How do you remove a guy and replace him with an arm that may not have it tonight?

Ridiculous, Baker.

Seems to have worked on on this occasion.

Hard to believe that the 'Stros made it all the way to Game 6 of the World Series without Dusty Baker's having access to the hot line with you!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 08:25:11 AM
I don't think Remy will get a statue, but maybe with the money he has helped raise for cancer awareness, there will be a Jerry Remy patient waiting room, where parents and sick kids can watch the Sox at the Dana Farber Cancer Center.

Just like Mussolini.

Mythologizing and honoring crooks and the morally bankrupt in Boston IS a thing.

Yawkey Way, Joe Kennedy and Family, etc.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 08:27:58 AM
And Joe Buck just delivered a eulogy to Remy on tonight's World Series broadcast.

to quote Buck, "a sad, sad loss for all of baseball, and beloved in all New England"

Quite a few retired ballplayers die each season.  Maybe Joe would like to name some of the others in the next broadcast.

Joe Buck only got his job due to nepotism. Like Chris Wallace.

And Josh.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 08:46:37 AM
I thought you were leaving for SOSH. Do you need help packing?

Kid probably got lost.

They won't allow my handle, so...

Nothing to do with '86 Mets allowed.

I just registered Buckner's Bad Ankles as a back-up handle @ SoSH.

Sosh is defined by the Urban Dictionary as ...Socially off- socially awkward. A person who doesn't know how to act around people. Usually stares and awkwardly tries to jump into conversation.

That pretty much describes banks.

No wonder he like SoSH.

Heh

LMAO

Some fact checking of the troll

I know its meaningless but I had never seen that definition, so I checked.

The troll's source:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sosh (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sosh)

Short for the word social, meaning to go out and socialise with other people.

"mate you going out tonight? Because i am so game for the sosh!"

"Im having such a good time the sosh is electric!"


Poor troll even his rebuttals are frauds.

Big surprise.

HEH

Guess you failed to scroll down the page, illiterate one.

Socially off- socially awkward. A person who doesn't know how to act around people. Usually stares and awkwardly tries to jump into conversation. They smile about everything even when they don't know what's going on.
"He was just standing there at the party trying to secretly take pics of us"

"Man, that guy is sosh"


Even more amusingly, if you'd scrolled further you'd have seen this.

SoSH
Sons of Sam Horn - Red Sox fan Forum

sonsofsamhorn.com

very stuck up, don't let anyone join anymore, last time I checked.




So...
You lose another one.

Do you ever get tired of your rented mule status?

Of course you don't because you're such a jackass.


(http://www.xs650.com/data/avatars/l/27/27255.jpg?1504543976)

Bye, mule.





Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 09:51:13 AM
And Joe Buck just delivered a eulogy to Remy on tonight's World Series broadcast.

to quote Buck, "a sad, sad loss for all of baseball, and beloved in all New England"

Quite a few retired ballplayers die each season.  Maybe Joe would like to name some of the others in the next broadcast.

Joe Buck only got his job due to nepotism. Like Chris Wallace.

And Josh.

Can't wait for an explanation for that last one.

Oh, wait. He can't explain it - he can just make vague innuendo.


Joe Buck only got his shot at the job by nepotism. I think that's just true.

He held the job because the powers that be thought and think that he does it well. (I think he varies wildly.)

The same seems likely of Chris Wallace. Nepotism gave him the opening, but he still had to deliver.


Indeed, Ham, one might say they had a lot of privilege that influenced their lives.

Just like you did, even if they may have had more than you. Just like the vast majority of us here, your life was easier because you were white. It's just another form of unearned initial opportunity.

Nice to know you finally admit that privilege is a thing.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2021, 09:56:07 AM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 01, 2021, 10:10:22 AM
I would think Henry Aaron deserves a mention.  As does Eddie Robinson, who died this month.

You must have missed the Henry Aaron mentions, Kid.

LMAO

Josh you have a gift for understatement.

Kid, Pre-game 3 of the WS, there was a video  tribute to Aaron on Fox that ran a few minutes honoring the man and his life. And then his family was incorporated into the 1st pitch opening ceremony. And even Dusty Baker, the Astro's mgr, hugged each member of the Aaron family as part of the tribute.

Lastly the #44 was carved into the vast center-field expanse of the ballpark for all to see.

It might have been the one faux pas in what other was a fitting tribute to the great Hank Aaron.

Aaron, as you may or more likely were unaware, played right field. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 02:10:28 PM
And Joe Buck just delivered a eulogy to Remy on tonight's World Series broadcast.

to quote Buck, "a sad, sad loss for all of baseball, and beloved in all New England"

Quite a few retired ballplayers die each season.  Maybe Joe would like to name some of the others in the next broadcast.

Joe Buck only got his job due to nepotism. Like Chris Wallace.

And Josh.

Can't wait for an explanation for that last one.

Oh, wait. He can't explain it - he can just make vague innuendo.


Joe Buck only got his shot at the job by nepotism. I think that's just true.

He held the job because the powers that be thought and think that he does it well. (I think he varies wildly.)

The same seems likely of Chris Wallace. Nepotism gave him the opening, but he still had to deliver.


Indeed, Ham, one might say they had a lot of privilege that influenced their lives.

Just like you did, even if they may have had more than you. Just like the vast majority of us here, your life was easier because you were white. It's just another form of unearned initial opportunity.

Nice to know you finally admit that privilege is a thing.

Too funny, wokie.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 02:14:41 PM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.


The evidence is clear. That yoy can't scroll down a webpage says a lot about your lintligence, mule.

The lies are yours.

As always.

I've already shown that.


The beatings continue.

You've never learned from your past mistakes.

Or you're a masochist.



Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 02:37:34 PM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.


The evidence is clear. That yoy can't scroll down a webpage says a lot about your lintligence, mule.

The lies are yours.

As always.

I've already shown that.


The beatings continue.

You've never learned from your past mistakes.

Or you're a masochist.

Ham still thinks what he does constitutes "beatings."

Coming from a guy who lectured us about what "battling" meant with regard to cancer, it's pretty damned funny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 02:39:22 PM
And Joe Buck just delivered a eulogy to Remy on tonight's World Series broadcast.

to quote Buck, "a sad, sad loss for all of baseball, and beloved in all New England"

Quite a few retired ballplayers die each season.  Maybe Joe would like to name some of the others in the next broadcast.

Joe Buck only got his job due to nepotism. Like Chris Wallace.

And Josh.

Can't wait for an explanation for that last one.

Oh, wait. He can't explain it - he can just make vague innuendo.


Joe Buck only got his shot at the job by nepotism. I think that's just true.

He held the job because the powers that be thought and think that he does it well. (I think he varies wildly.)

The same seems likely of Chris Wallace. Nepotism gave him the opening, but he still had to deliver.


Indeed, Ham, one might say they had a lot of privilege that influenced their lives.

Just like you did, even if they may have had more than you. Just like the vast majority of us here, your life was easier because you were white. It's just another form of unearned initial opportunity.

Nice to know you finally admit that privilege is a thing.

Too funny, wokie.

Hey, call me a SJW, next. Or a lefty. Or progressive!

Hamilton Samuels, privileged white guy, called me "wokie." From him, I wear the label proudly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 01, 2021, 08:26:22 PM
Aaron played right, left, center, first, second and third.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 09:03:09 PM
Aaron played right, left, center, first, second and third.

And DH.

But only ~1% of his games were in Left or Center, with the other positions with even fewer than that.

The two points stand: (a) Putting the giant number in right field would have been more appropriate and (b) There was plenty of attention paid to Aaron while they were in Atlanta.

I don't know if during the AL Wild Card Game Eddie Robinson got a tribute of any sort, but I would guess he did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 10:25:44 PM
Bryce is nice: https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-earns-2021-musial-award (https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-earns-2021-musial-award)

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 10:26:37 PM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.


The evidence is clear. That yoy can't scroll down a webpage says a lot about your lintligence, mule.

The lies are yours.

As always.

I've already shown that.


The beatings continue.

You've never learned from your past mistakes.

Or you're a masochist.

Ham still thinks what he does constitutes "beatings."

Coming from a guy who lectured us about what "battling" meant with regard to cancer, it's pretty damned funny.

You and banks have now earned what's coming.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 10:28:44 PM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.


The evidence is clear. That yoy can't scroll down a webpage says a lot about your lintligence, mule.

The lies are yours.

As always.

I've already shown that.


The beatings continue.

You've never learned from your past mistakes.

Or you're a masochist.

Ham still thinks what he does constitutes "beatings."

Coming from a guy who lectured us about what "battling" meant with regard to cancer, it's pretty damned funny.

You and banks have now earned what's coming.

Uh huh.

Threatening us is always a good way to stay here.

If you cannot take it when we point out your hyperbole and your bogus positions, then maybe you should go post on SoSH, instead.

Or anywhere else.

Again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 10:38:55 PM
There's a GoFundMe page to help pay for a proper coffin for Jerry Remy's funeral

Here's what they're trying to buy for the late loser:

https://www.comparethecoffin.com/product/cigarette-casket-cardboard-coffin/ (https://www.comparethecoffin.com/product/cigarette-casket-cardboard-coffin/)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 01, 2021, 10:40:54 PM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.


The evidence is clear. That yoy can't scroll down a webpage says a lot about your lintligence, mule.

The lies are yours.

As always.

I've already shown that.


The beatings continue.

You've never learned from your past mistakes.

Or you're a masochist.

Ham still thinks what he does constitutes "beatings."

Coming from a guy who lectured us about what "battling" meant with regard to cancer, it's pretty damned funny.

You and banks have now earned what's coming.

Uh huh.

Threatening us is always a good way to stay here.

If you cannot take it when we point out your hyperbole and your bogus positions, then maybe you should go post on SoSH, instead.

Or anywhere else.

Again.

There you go again. Rewriting what's been written.

Leave the fiction writing and revisions to the naturally dishonest banks.

He's a much better liar than you.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 01, 2021, 10:51:05 PM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.


The evidence is clear. That yoy can't scroll down a webpage says a lot about your lintligence, mule.

The lies are yours.

As always.

I've already shown that.


The beatings continue.

You've never learned from your past mistakes.

Or you're a masochist.

Ham still thinks what he does constitutes "beatings."

Coming from a guy who lectured us about what "battling" meant with regard to cancer, it's pretty damned funny.

You and banks have now earned what's coming.

Uh huh.

Threatening us is always a good way to stay here.

If you cannot take it when we point out your hyperbole and your bogus positions, then maybe you should go post on SoSH, instead.

Or anywhere else.

Again.

There you go again. Rewriting what's been written.

Leave the fiction writing and revisions to the naturally dishonest banks.

He's a much better liar than you.

Are you pretending that wasn't a threat?

(Not a physical one, but a threat nonetheless.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2021, 10:05:19 AM
Aaron played right, left, center, first, second and third.

Yes he did but Aaron was known as a right-fielder.

The point you are unsuccessfully trying to evade was there was a lengthy tribute to Aaron which you were not aware of.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2021, 10:19:36 AM
LMAO

Is Slick Sammy, the Dupont Dipstick, still pissed that the "definition" he posted was the 10th cited in that link, that he ignored the vastly more common and accepted (via the likes) definitions, and only 1 person, likely Slick himself, liked the last listed definition that only he accepted as proper usage.
 
The only points Slick Sammy made were

1) he made himself look like an idiot with his desperate and wholly irrelevant attempt to re-define what SoSH is or isn't.

and

2) he defaults to empty threats of retaliation when his empty rhetorical attacks are exposed for the angry garbage it is. 

He's just a pathetic troll

SSDD
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2021, 10:24:30 AM
Troll justs keeps on doubling down on his stupidity.

and he loses

so he doubles down on lies

and gets the same results.

SSDD

LMAO


As an aside, to test kid's claim I opened a new SoSH account last night with a handle that had a direct connection to the '86 WS.

went through as quickly and easily as a lie through Hammy's shit-stained lips.


The evidence is clear. That yoy can't scroll down a webpage says a lot about your lintligence, mule.

The lies are yours.

As always.

I've already shown that.


The beatings continue.

You've never learned from your past mistakes.

Or you're a masochist.

Ham still thinks what he does constitutes "beatings."

Coming from a guy who lectured us about what "battling" meant with regard to cancer, it's pretty damned funny.

You and banks have now earned what's coming.

Uh huh.

Threatening us is always a good way to stay here.

If you cannot take it when we point out your hyperbole and your bogus positions, then maybe you should go post on SoSH, instead.

Or anywhere else.

Again.

There you go again. Rewriting what's been written.

Leave the fiction writing and revisions to the naturally dishonest banks.

He's a much better liar than you.

Are you pretending that wasn't a threat?

(Not a physical one, but a threat nonetheless.)

You pretending you can read?


Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 02, 2021, 10:26:05 AM
brokenpoolcue.jpeg

Now I'm even happier that I didn't accept his invitation to fight 'til the death.  It would not have turned out well for me.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2021, 10:28:04 AM
LMAO

Is Slick Sammy, the Dupont Dipstick, still pissed that the "definition" he posted was the 10th cited in that link, that he ignored the vastly more common and accepted (via the likes) definitions, and only 1 person, likely Slick himself, liked the last listed definition that only he accepted as proper usage.
 
The only points Slick Sammy made were

1) he made himself look like an idiot with his desperate and wholly irrelevant attempt to re-define what SoSH is or isn't.

and

2) he defaults to empty threats of retaliation when his empty rhetorical attacks are exposed for the angry garbage it is. 

He's just a pathetic troll

SSDD

Poor bankshit. Blames others for his digital illiteracy.

Still hasn't read the pages there correctly.

Nice attempt to Fix, though. Second day in a row you e tried to reveal here where I live.

Okay, Josh.

Your turn. Ban your bud for violating the rules and trying to out people's residency.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2021, 10:36:05 AM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 10:39:58 AM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?

Oh, no, Banks!

Now we are getting more of what we deserve!

In the name of trying to get under our skins, Hamilton continues his attacks on Boston, while pretending he cares about Blacks.

Whatever will we do in the face of such impotent fury?!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2021, 10:42:42 AM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?

Oh, no, Banks!

Now we are getting more of what we deserve!

In the name of trying to get under our skins, Hamilton continues his attacks on Boston, while pretending he cares about Blacks.

Whatever will we do in the face of such impotent fury?!

Did you ban him yet?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2021, 10:59:49 AM
LMAO Slick Sammy apparently did not take kindly to my biographical anecdote, loosely based on his previous postings of his life shooting stick and flunking out from the rough and tumble tree-lined avenues of the Dupont's Delaware.

Sammy everyone here knows you live in a piss and shit filled sewer.

Seeing that you refuse to wash and wipe yourself, makes your residence known and is pretty much in the public domain.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 11:07:02 AM
Shhh.....
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 11:32:24 AM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?

Oh, no, Banks!

Now we are getting more of what we deserve!

In the name of trying to get under our skins, Hamilton continues his attacks on Boston, while pretending he cares about Blacks.

Whatever will we do in the face of such impotent fury?!

Did you ban him yet?

Did you delete your tale of ass-kicking in your private life?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2021, 11:45:21 AM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?

Oh, no, Banks!

Now we are getting more of what we deserve!

In the name of trying to get under our skins, Hamilton continues his attacks on Boston, while pretending he cares about Blacks.

Whatever will we do in the face of such impotent fury?!

Did you ban him yet?

Did you delete your tale of ass-kicking in your private life?


So, your BUD gets to dox others?

 

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Holly Martins on November 02, 2021, 12:15:15 PM
Actually peeked in here today to follow WS activity.  Oy.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2021, 12:23:52 PM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?

Oh, no, Banks!

Now we are getting more of what we deserve!

In the name of trying to get under our skins, Hamilton continues his attacks on Boston, while pretending he cares about Blacks.

Whatever will we do in the face of such impotent fury?!

Did you ban him yet?

Did you delete your tale of ass-kicking in your private life?


So, your BUD gets to dox others?

Sammy you weren't doxxed, you were goosed.

You've told us about your years growing up hustling stick in Delaware and I added some depth and color to your fairy tales.

LMAO

But please bring your charges in full!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2021, 12:36:08 PM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?

Oh, no, Banks!

Now we are getting more of what we deserve!

In the name of trying to get under our skins, Hamilton continues his attacks on Boston, while pretending he cares about Blacks.

Whatever will we do in the face of such impotent fury?!

Did you ban him yet?

Did you delete your tale of ass-kicking in your private life?


So, your BUD gets to dox others?

Sammy you weren't doxxed, you were goosed.

You've told us about your years growing up hustling stick in Delaware and I added some depth and color to your fairy tales.

LMAO

But please bring your charges in full!

Spin, spin, spin.

You were putting up personal information on another poster because you got bested in a discussion on SoSH.

Should we talk about your dad, btw? NO.

The fact that you're still here indicates josh's deep bias and inability to do what he says he does.

GFY.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 12:41:20 PM
Yes he did but Aaron was known as a right-fielder.


Depends who you are.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on November 02, 2021, 12:44:29 PM
LMAO

Sammy the Dupont Dipshit fails once again, can't back up his bullshit, miscues and scratches

Sammy you lost again.

SSDD

lets rack 'em up again!

I'm sure you've just hit an unlucky streak.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 12:52:26 PM
The Red Sox in 2020:

Last year there were 7 reported incidents at Fenway Park where fans used racial slurs, wrote the Red Sox in their statement Wednesday. Those are just the ones we know about. And it's not just players. It happens to the dedicated Black employees who work for us on game days.


What were the 2021 numbers? Had to be higher, especially in the Yankees play-in game and the Astros series.

We need a follow-up report.

Or did the well documented problem of RSN Bigotry magically disappear?

Oh, no, Banks!

Now we are getting more of what we deserve!

In the name of trying to get under our skins, Hamilton continues his attacks on Boston, while pretending he cares about Blacks.

Whatever will we do in the face of such impotent fury?!

Did you ban him yet?

Did you delete your tale of ass-kicking in your private life?


So, your BUD gets to dox others?

I went to see if you had just mentioned Delaware or not.

Evidently you cannot answer the simple question - did you delete the post?
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 12:52:52 PM
I expect Atlanta to win tonight.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 02, 2021, 12:53:53 PM
Actually peeked in here today to follow WS activity.  Oy.

Heh

Watch a few innings and have someone explain the rules before you "pop in"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 01:01:11 PM
Yes he did but Aaron was known as a right-fielder.


Depends who you are.

Sure, there are two years in which he played about equally between LF and RF and two years in which he played CF mostly, plus one for 1b and one for DH, I think.

He was known as a right-fielder.

And if one disputes that, then one is known as an asshole.

(And Ham accuses me of being a pedant!)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Holly Martins on November 02, 2021, 03:31:41 PM
Whoooosh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 02, 2021, 05:21:19 PM
Aaron was a remarkable fielder who play RF, LF, CF, 1b, DH, and even 2B during his career.

Multiple seasons he was put in various OF positions.

 

https://widgets.sports-reference.com/wg.fcgi?css=1&site=br&url=%2Fplayers%2Fa%2Faaronha01.shtml&div=div_standard_fielding (ftp://widgets.sports-reference.com/wg.fcgi?css=1&site=br&url=%2Fplayers%2Fa%2Faaronha01.shtml&div=div_standard_fielding)

As good as Hank was, there is another Braves outfielder who ends up on THIS list: https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/tz_runs_total_tf_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/tz_runs_total_tf_career.shtml)

 
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 09:12:55 PM
I expect Atlanta to win tonight.

A good start.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 02, 2021, 11:41:38 PM
I expect Atlanta to win tonight.

My expectations were met!

Solid game by Atlanta. The Astros managed next to nothing.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2021, 08:25:43 AM
A boring World Series, but glad to see the NLE show why it was the most competitive division in baseball this season.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 03, 2021, 09:41:46 AM
 Dusty Baker is the Marv Levy of baseball.

Bergman hit 0.95.

Correa .262 and Altuve .222.


Guess they didn't know what was coming this time.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 03, 2021, 10:56:21 AM
A boring World Series, but glad to see the NLE show why it was the most competitive division in baseball this season.

Yep

And I dont mind ATL winning every 25-26 years  :)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 03, 2021, 05:14:32 PM
https://www.theonion.com/braves-honor-native-american-past-with-deadly-forced-ch-1847984453?utm_campaign=The+Onion&utm_content=1635955231&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 03, 2021, 05:26:07 PM
glad to see the NLE show why it was the most competitive division in baseball this season.

Except that it wasn't.

The AL East was more competitive this season by a large measure.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on November 03, 2021, 11:56:26 PM
glad to see the NLE show why it was the most competitive division in baseball this season.

Except that it wasn't.

The AL East was more competitive this season by a large measure.

By a huge measure here are the head to head record of the ALE teams versus the WC Braves and the NLE in the aggregate

In the following table, which should be self explanatory, the Rays were 2-1 against the Braves and 15-5 against all NL East teams
                     
                 Braves                       All NLE teams
Rays           2-1                                15-5

R/Sox         3-1                                16-4

Yanks         3-1                                12-8 

Bj              6-0                      14-6

sub-total    14-3                                57-23

Os              0-3                                 7-13

total      14-6                               64-36 

In 2021 the AL East owned the WC Braves and the NL East.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 04, 2021, 01:14:03 AM
It's true - but it is not what Ham means by competitive.

He has previously been clear that he means having the teams be closely clumped together.

But in 2021, while the 1st and 2nd teams in the NL East were closer than 1st and 2nd in the AL East, the first four AL East teams were closer than just the first three NL East teams, coming down to the last day of the season to know who was going to the WC game and which team would host it.

And if all one cares about is the first two teams, the NL West's competitiveness blows away the NL East. The top two in the NL Central were closer than the top two in the NL East. And the top 3 of the AL West were more tightly grouped than the top 3 in the NL East, and their top 4 teams, as well.

Even going by how close the last team was to the first, which is a stupid way to define it, the AL Central's last team was closer to first than the NL East's last team was.

IOW, it's a stupid claim by Ham.

Nothing new.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 04, 2021, 10:10:06 AM
Cool stat -

Red Sox lost 35 games in their division (41 wins) - and 35 outside (51).
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 11:12:35 AM
These race charts for the season indicate that the NLE is the one division which had by record the closest bunching of all of its teams throughout the entire season.

This is what I mean by competitive division.

ALE did well, but the O's are the ALE punching bag. In the NLE, there were never any assumed victories.

That is all.

https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts (https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts)

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 12:17:47 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-mccutchen-odubel-herrera-options-123453401.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/andrew-mccutchen-odubel-herrera-options-123453401.html)

The Phillies have begun the process of tightening their roster in preparation for what figures to be a busy winter as they look to put together a team that can break a 10-year postseason drought in 2022.

The team on Wednesday declined 2022 options on the contracts of outfielders Andrew McCutchen and Odubel Herrera. McCutchen could have made $15 million in 2022. The Phils bought it out for $3 million. Herrera could have made $11.5 million in 2022. The Phils bought that out for $2.5 million.

McCutchen is a free agent.

Herrera remains part of the Phillies organization for at least another month as he is eligible for salary arbitration. However, the team could pass on offering him a contract on December 2 and that would make him a free agent.



Free agency will be hung up until there is a CBA, which could take some time..

So long, Cutch, and good luck to a true professional.

Odubel? Bye.

Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 12:19:39 PM
Buster Posey retiring. Part of his legacy will be a rule that is among those ruining baseball.

https://sports.yahoo.com/buster-posey-to-reportedly-retire-after-fantastic-12-year-career-with-giants-214653748.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/buster-posey-to-reportedly-retire-after-fantastic-12-year-career-with-giants-214653748.html)
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 04, 2021, 02:41:17 PM
These race charts for the season indicate that the NLE is the one division which had by record the closest bunching of all of its teams throughout the entire season.

This is what I mean by competitive division.

ALE did well, but the O's are the ALE punching bag. In the NLE, there were never any assumed victories.

That is all.

https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts (https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts)

The NLE was the punching bag for the rest of the league. The AL Central was 5 games better at top and bottom. They were both under water, but the NL East was deeper.

Washington lost more than 60% of their in division games.
Detroit, not the worst ALC team, was worst in division games, but they only lost 58% of their games.

Were there other teams with bigger punching bags than either? Sure. But neither division was competitive other than within their division and the ALC was more competitive overall. Was the NLE more competitive in some parts of the season? Sure.

But the Braves' win didn't prove a damned thing about how competitive the NLE was and it is bizarre to claim it did.

It did prove how well put back together they were at mid-season!
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: bankshot1 on November 04, 2021, 02:47:30 PM
The Braves WS win was an example of a team getting hot at the right time.

Good for them, they are the champs.

IMO, by most accepted standards the most competitive of MLB's divisions was the AL East, where 4 teams, with 90+ wins, competed until the last day of the season for post-season play
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 04, 2021, 03:11:51 PM
The Braves WS win was an example of a team getting hot at the right time.

Good for them, they are the champs.

IMO, by most accepted standards the most competitive of MLB's divisions was the AL East, where 4 teams, with 90+ wins, competed until the last day of the season for post-season play

We agree.

I'm just suggesting that even using Ham's flawed concept, the NLE was not it.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 04, 2021, 04:21:38 PM
The BEST division was the AL East

The most competitive was WHOGIVESASHIT
Title: Hot Stove? Maybe not so hot this winter.
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 04:27:36 PM
There are two things to consider going into the CBA. One is that there may be a floor of $100 Million that ownership has to pay in salary. In combination with that, the luxury tax threshold would be lowered to enable smaller market teams to reach that $100 million mark.

So, if that and the universal DH end up in the CBA, then free agency will be quite interesting.

The other aspect to consider is that MLB is not in a good position with the fans if they end up locking out players, but that doesn't mean they won't.

So, we could end up with a lot of things going down in late March---a delayed opening, last minute deals with free agents, etc. The first hurdle is will they go to the Winter Meetings, because there is some concern that this will be cancelled.

The next hurdle in all of this will be, can the MLBPA, the owners, and the Commissioner's office keep their mouths closed, and just shut the door and get things done.

I am quite skeptical of that happening.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 04, 2021, 06:14:34 PM
The BEST division was the AL East

The most competitive was WHOGIVESASHIT
The best and most competitive division was [the one my favorite team plays in.] End of argument.

Actually, I cannot make that argument with a straight face.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 04, 2021, 08:28:26 PM
These race charts for the season indicate that the NLE is the one division which had by record the closest bunching of all of its teams throughout the entire season.

This is what I mean by competitive division.

ALE did well, but the O's are the ALE punching bag. In the NLE, there were never any assumed victories.

That is all.

https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts (https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts)

The NLE was the punching bag for the rest of the league. The AL Central was 5 games better at top and bottom. They were both under water, but the NL East was deeper.

Washington lost more than 60% of their in division games.
Detroit, not the worst ALC team, was worst in division games, but they only lost 58% of their games.

Were there other teams with bigger punching bags than either? Sure. But neither division was competitive other than within their division and the ALC was more competitive overall. Was the NLE more competitive in some parts of the season? Sure.

But the Braves' win didn't prove a damned thing about how competitive the NLE was and it is bizarre to claim it did.

It did prove how well put back together they were at mid-season!

Clearly you missed the point.

No surprise there.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 04, 2021, 08:45:05 PM
These race charts for the season indicate that the NLE is the one division which had by record the closest bunching of all of its teams throughout the entire season.

This is what I mean by competitive division.

ALE did well, but the O's are the ALE punching bag. In the NLE, there were never any assumed victories.

That is all.

https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts (https://erikberg.com/mlb/charts)

The NLE was the punching bag for the rest of the league. The AL Central was 5 games better at top and bottom. They were both under water, but the NL East was deeper.

Washington lost more than 60% of their in division games.
Detroit, not the worst ALC team, was worst in division games, but they only lost 58% of their games.

Were there other teams with bigger punching bags than either? Sure. But neither division was competitive other than within their division and the ALC was more competitive overall. Was the NLE more competitive in some parts of the season? Sure.

But the Braves' win didn't prove a damned thing about how competitive the NLE was and it is bizarre to claim it did.

It did prove how well put back together they were at mid-season!

Clearly you missed the point.

No surprise there.

The "point" was that you claim the NLE was most competitive every year.

And every year you are wrong.

No news.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 05, 2021, 08:44:23 AM
Pretty competitive though, eh, Josh?

Don't be such a prick.  Maybe bring another baseball issue to light, so the horse can rest in peace.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: josh on November 05, 2021, 10:55:03 AM
Pretty competitive though, eh, Josh?

Don't be such a prick.  Maybe bring another baseball issue to light, so the horse can rest in peace.

Clearly, it's all on me, Kid. After all, I keep bringing up the topic with no prompting from anybody else.

And it's hilarious that you start with a comment that continues that topic and then tell me that I am being a prick and that I should bring up a new topic.
 

I wondered already at the Red Sox' having let go their first base coach, with no explanation, beyond their claim that it was not related to his vaccination refusal. Didn't generate a lot of conversation.

Their hitting coach has chosen to move on rather than returning, as the Red Sox expected. No explanation for that, either. If he has another job offer or two in hand, it would make plenty of sense. If not, then it's curious.

The difficulty the Mets are having with their front office hires is curious.

And how often has a manager with a job taken the same position with another team for the following year, when he already had a contract for that year?! It was an interesting move by Bob Melvin and the Padres.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 05, 2021, 01:07:49 PM
I think the Padres job is a great one.
Title: Re: The World Series! - Change ahead?
Post by: josh on November 05, 2021, 01:32:36 PM
I am planning to merge this back into the main MLB thread.

Any objections?!



ETA 3 days later, having heard not a peep, the threads have been merged.
Title: Re: The World Series!
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 05, 2021, 02:28:20 PM
Melvin move from NorCal to SoCal?

A true no brainer - and a defining move from Beane and Schott to allow it, knowing BM can make more money in SD.

(may have been family implications as well)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 01:22:34 PM
Red Sox have extended a qualifying offer to Erod.

JD has decided to stay with the Red Sox.

And perhaps part of the reason for Hyers' decision to leave was that they were going to promote Fatse to co-hitting coach instead of his being assistant hitting coach again. Regardless, Fatse is reported to be getting the job. Wonder who his assistant is going to be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 05:26:46 PM
Joc Pederson - seemed to be having such a great time in ATL

Declines option.

Sad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 08, 2021, 05:58:20 PM
Joc Pederson - seemed to be having such a great time in ATL

Declines option.

Sad.

Smart. He's leaving those rednecks clutching their pearls.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 06:57:26 PM
Who is paying Joc 10 mil?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 07:23:00 PM
Joc Pederson - seemed to be having such a great time in ATL

Declines option.

Sad.

Why?

Personal choice, baby!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 08, 2021, 08:04:37 PM
May hate Atlanta.

I certainly couldnt criticize him for that.

Angels-bound - if I had to guess
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 08, 2021, 08:36:02 PM
An excellent CF when he came up. No more I assume as he has put on a lot of weight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 08, 2021, 08:57:49 PM
I've been clearing/cleaning out my house - a very slow process, unfortunately.

But tonight, I dug down far enough that I found my ALCS and World Series tickets from 1975!

Also a Boston Garden Yes concert and a Bruins game from that time period, roughly. Lots of other entertaining items.

I'd previously found the programs for those WS and ALCS games. I am sure somebody will enjoy having them.

Also, separately, tripped across an April 2004 Business Week (of all things) on whether the Red Sox could finally get past the Yankees and win it all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2021, 09:50:33 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411 (https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 09, 2021, 10:34:18 AM
https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411 (https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411)

It would be pretty funny if Shildt won the Manager award after having been fired. I think it will be Kapler. In the AL, the Mariner's skipper would be my bet.

If somebody other than Ohtani wins the MVP I'd be surprised. Harper looks likely to win in the NL.

I'm thinking Ray and Burnes for Cy Young.

Franco would be my ROY bet. I have no opinion in the NL contest.

I wonder when and for whom the Manager of the Year and MVP awards will be named. It seems inevitable, though I could see them giving the two MVP awards different names.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2021, 01:45:19 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411 (https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411)

What?

Semien?

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2021, 01:54:05 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411 (https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411)

It would be pretty funny if Shildt won the Manager award after having been fired. I think it will be Kapler. In the AL, the Mariner's skipper would be my bet.

If somebody other than Ohtani wins the MVP I'd be surprised. Harper looks likely to win in the NL.

I'm thinking Ray and Burnes for Cy Young.

Franco would be my ROY bet. I have no opinion in the NL contest.

I wonder when and for whom the Manager of the Year and MVP awards will be named. It seems inevitable, though I could see them giving the two MVP awards different names.

Manager of the year should be named for one of two managers from baseball history.

John McGraw or Connie Mack.

But it won't be.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 09, 2021, 02:04:43 PM
Why would you want to name an award celebrating managerial success named after a guy whose lifetime record was considerably under .500?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2021, 02:50:04 PM
 The problem with New York is that it's New York, according to Sandy Alderson.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32591517/new-york-mets-sandy-alderson-says-new-york-city-deterrent-team-gm-search (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32591517/new-york-mets-sandy-alderson-says-new-york-city-deterrent-team-gm-search)

I guess no one wants to put on their big boy pants, anymore.

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
Matt Olsen, future Yankee: https://sny.tv/articles/for-yankees-a-s-matt-olson-there-for-taking (https://sny.tv/articles/for-yankees-a-s-matt-olson-there-for-taking)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 09, 2021, 02:59:15 PM
Why would you want to name an award celebrating managerial success named after a guy whose lifetime record was considerably under .500?

Why wouldn't you want to name an award celebrating the manager with the most wins in MLB history, with a victory total of nearly 1,000 more than any other manager? What's wrong with a guy who managed his team into 8 World Series, winning 5 of them?


I know you're a glass 1/2 empty guy, though, so maybe that's your thinking.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 09, 2021, 03:41:50 PM
Owning the team helped I guess.

Most managers only have the privilege of managing a couple of last-place teams.  If you're comfortable naming a managerial success award after a manager who finished last 17 times, who am I to argue?   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 09, 2021, 05:02:39 PM
The problem with New York is that it's New York, according to Sandy Alderson.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32591517/new-york-mets-sandy-alderson-says-new-york-city-deterrent-team-gm-search (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32591517/new-york-mets-sandy-alderson-says-new-york-city-deterrent-team-gm-search)

I guess no one wants to put on their big boy pants, anymore.

Alderson said several candidates were unable to get permission from their current club to interview for the job, while others have declined because they are too comfortable personally or professionally where they are.



Fuckers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
Earning his $$$.

https://www.mlb.com/phillies/news/bryce-harper-wins-2021-hank-aaron-award-in-nl?partnerId=zh-20211110-498860-PHI-1-A&bt_ee=CDiTSG5%2BlFkeS5ZSkyjPCWFlUSLrZTtgt0aTVed0USbEMD46oRMGP%2B40E76dnqky&bt_ts=1636504404960 (https://www.mlb.com/phillies/news/bryce-harper-wins-2021-hank-aaron-award-in-nl?partnerId=zh-20211110-498860-PHI-1-A&bt_ee=CDiTSG5%2BlFkeS5ZSkyjPCWFlUSLrZTtgt0aTVed0USbEMD46oRMGP%2B40E76dnqky&bt_ts=1636504404960)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
Owning the team helped I guess.

Most managers only have the privilege of managing a couple of last-place teams.  If you're comfortable naming a managerial success award after a manager who finished last 17 times, who am I to argue?

Well, if his teams were as well financed as the Yankees, which they never were, and he'd managed there, the award would have his name on it already.

But, you're right.

You aren't anyone to argue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on November 10, 2021, 09:10:37 AM
Yep.  You know baseball better than I do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2021, 03:52:40 PM
Rangers all in:

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2021/11/09/sources-rangers-could-add-100-million-to-payroll-next-season-setting-the-gm-meetings-abuzz/ (https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/rangers/2021/11/09/sources-rangers-could-add-100-million-to-payroll-next-season-setting-the-gm-meetings-abuzz/)

Makes the Yankees and Sox spend more, at least.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 10, 2021, 03:54:43 PM
Question: Would Kershaw want to pitch in the Northeast?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 11, 2021, 11:48:49 AM
"Tanks for the Memories".

According to Scott Boras, the Braves love that song!

He has a point.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10017810-scott-boras-slams-tanking-in-mlb-as-competitive-cancer-after-braves-ws-win (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10017810-scott-boras-slams-tanking-in-mlb-as-competitive-cancer-after-braves-ws-win)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 11, 2021, 06:17:03 PM
More, I think, than usual, one could field a high quality all star team just from the free agents. Or a World Series contender.

Okay, not quite, now that the two best FA catchers have signed. But really, there is an amazing amount of talent out there.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 12, 2021, 01:24:21 PM
Using WAR stats instead of arbitration is proposed: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/mlb-proposes-replacing-arbitration-with-salaries-based-off-player-war-totals.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/mlb-proposes-replacing-arbitration-with-salaries-based-off-player-war-totals.html)



Arbitration can lean a little more heavily than most modern teams do on traditional box score statistics like pitcher wins, saves, and hitters
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 12, 2021, 01:28:40 PM
SILVER SLUGGER AWARDS

NL

C Buster Posey, SFG
1B Freddie Freeman, ATL
2B Ozzie Albies, ATL
SS Fernando Tatis, Jr., SDP
3B Austin Riley, ATL
OF Nick Castellanos, CIN
OF Juan Soto, WSN
OF Bryce Harper, PHI
P Max Fried, ATL

AL
C Salvador Perez, KCR
1B Vladimir Guerrero, Jr, TOR
2B Marcus Semien, TOR
SS Xander Bogaerts, BOS
3B Rafael Devers, BOS
OF Cedric Mullins, BAL
OF Teoscar Hernandez, TOR
OF Aaron Judge, NYY
DH Shohei Ohtani, LAA

KEEP AN EYE on Mullins, a vastly underrated player.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 12, 2021, 01:45:51 PM
Using WAR stats instead of arbitration is proposed: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/mlb-proposes-replacing-arbitration-with-salaries-based-off-player-war-totals.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/mlb-proposes-replacing-arbitration-with-salaries-based-off-player-war-totals.html)



Arbitration can lean a little more heavily than most modern teams do on traditional box score statistics like pitcher wins, saves, and hitters

It'll never work

Teams can manipulate that number through playing time, batting order placement, etc.

There would be grievances all over the yard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 12, 2021, 02:19:47 PM
Using WAR stats instead of arbitration is proposed: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/mlb-proposes-replacing-arbitration-with-salaries-based-off-player-war-totals.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/mlb-proposes-replacing-arbitration-with-salaries-based-off-player-war-totals.html)



Arbitration can lean a little more heavily than most modern teams do on traditional box score statistics like pitcher wins, saves, and hitters

It'll never work

Teams can manipulate that number through playing time, batting order placement, etc.

There would be grievances all over the yard.

Yup.

And even if everything was kosher, accurately benchmarking WAR to salaries is tough and would lag the FA market by at least a year and IMO benefit owners disproportionately.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 12, 2021, 02:21:31 PM
This was in Shaughnessy's column this AM

"When Cleveland makes its first trip to Anaheim next baseball season, it will be the first Guardians-Angels matchup."



Curtis Sliwa should throw out the first pitch and the first 10,000 customers should get red berets
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 13, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
Do the GUARDIans have a logo yet?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 13, 2021, 09:10:47 PM
Do the GUARDIans have a logo yet?

(https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/private/t_16x9/t_w1024/mlb/o22mez2nvlprbymkhwbk.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 13, 2021, 09:11:31 PM
Incorporating their new diamond C, the wings from the statues, and a fastball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 14, 2021, 08:41:04 PM
2-seamer

Or maybe a change.
Title: Partay for Marte
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 15, 2021, 06:30:25 PM
Both NY Teams and the Phillies are in on Starling Marte: https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/11/mlb-rumors-al-heavyweight-nl-east-contenders-jump-into-mix-for-yankees-potential-free-agent-target.html (https://www.nj.com/yankees/2021/11/mlb-rumors-al-heavyweight-nl-east-contenders-jump-into-mix-for-yankees-potential-free-agent-target.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 15, 2021, 06:32:37 PM
BTW, any of you clown in on this game: https://www.axios.com/pickleball-sport-tennis-how-to-play-72380808-30b8-4c59-b1a4-81ad3d45e431.html (https://www.axios.com/pickleball-sport-tennis-how-to-play-72380808-30b8-4c59-b1a4-81ad3d45e431.html)

I play 2-4 times per week.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 15, 2021, 06:36:49 PM
Guardians baseball merchandise sale postponed months after lawsuit with roller derby team

https://sports.yahoo.com/guardians-baseball-merchandise-sale-postponed-possibly-due-to-lawsuit-with-roller-derby-team-200000992.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/guardians-baseball-merchandise-sale-postponed-possibly-due-to-lawsuit-with-roller-derby-team-200000992.html)


Pay up, Cleveland.


 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 15, 2021, 06:39:16 PM
Julio Lugo is now Julio Lugone!

https://sports.yahoo.com/julio-lugo-former-mlb-shortstop-and-world-series-champ-dies-at-45-194348658.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/julio-lugo-former-mlb-shortstop-and-world-series-champ-dies-at-45-194348658.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 16, 2021, 09:54:06 AM
Boston says goodbye to Erod as he heads off to his new deal for Detroit. I wish him success there, but fear he will not find it to his liking.

Meanwhile, the Mets have finally found their GM in Eppler.

And congratulations to Randy Arozarena on his ROY award!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 11:37:08 AM
What? No mourning for Julio?

Brought your more rings than No-mah!

Not pale enough for the Boston "faiithful", I guess.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 11:51:44 AM
Mets lose Syndergaard to Angels:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LQgMkXW9YU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LQgMkXW9YU)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 11:53:33 AM
Guardians baseball merchandise sale postponed months after lawsuit with roller derby team

https://sports.yahoo.com/guardians-baseball-merchandise-sale-postponed-possibly-due-to-lawsuit-with-roller-derby-team-200000992.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/guardians-baseball-merchandise-sale-postponed-possibly-due-to-lawsuit-with-roller-derby-team-200000992.html)


Pay up, Cleveland.

Cleveland pays up: https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018277-cleveland-baseball-team-able-to-use-guardians-nickname-after-resolution-to-lawsuit (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018277-cleveland-baseball-team-able-to-use-guardians-nickname-after-resolution-to-lawsuit)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 11:57:56 AM
WOW!!!

This now ranks as one of the largest extensions ever for a starting pitcher between five and six years...


https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/blue-jays-extend-jose-berrios.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/blue-jays-extend-jose-berrios.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 16, 2021, 01:30:47 PM
What? No mourning for Julio?

Brought your more rings than No-mah!

Not pale enough for the Boston "faiithful", I guess.

He certainly was here for more rings than Nomar was. Or Captain Carl, for that matter. Or Jim Ed or Luis.

Your baiting aside, it still wasn't and isn't Lugo's color that made him... less beloved than others of that time. We still love Pedro more than Schilling and Rice more than Greenwell. Nomar was an outsized personality.

And your "Lugone" was pretty clever, but certainly did not evince great solemnity on his passing by you, either!

Day before his 45th birthday. I have no sense of what his post-baseball life was like, unlike bunches of other players who were in Boston. He largely just passed through here, as he did in many of his stops. A lot of teams for the years he played, though nowhere near record territory, I suspect.

2007 was his only majorly impactful year for us, but even his strong hitting in the WS didn't overall amount to as much as one might have expected. He'd probably have been able to get free drinks for life in Boston, but not much in terms of promotional opportunities compared with several of his teammates.

Like that Ortiz fellow - of course, that's probably just because Ortiz is white, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 16, 2021, 01:45:12 PM
Meanwhile, the Mets have finally found their GM in Eppler.


What could go wrong?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 16, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
Meanwhile, the Mets have finally found their GM in Eppler.


What could go wrong?

We know who we expect him to hire as manager...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 04:30:38 PM
Fenway Sports Group LLC, the holding company that owns the Boston Red Sox, is in advanced talks to buy the Pittsburgh Penguins hockey team, according to people familiar with the matter.

 https://www.wsj.com/articles/boston-red-sox-owner-fenway-sports-in-talks-to-buy-pittsburgh-penguins-11637092211?mod=lead_feature_below_a_pos1 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/boston-red-sox-owner-fenway-sports-in-talks-to-buy-pittsburgh-penguins-11637092211?mod=lead_feature_below_a_pos1)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 16, 2021, 06:20:11 PM
Meanwhile, the Mets have finally found their GM in Eppler.


What could go wrong?

We know who we expect him to hire as manager...

Cant be worse than the last guy

It IS promising that he and David Stearns are close.  Stearns' contract with Brewers is up after 2022
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 10:38:23 PM
Correa explains the fault in Derek Jeter's play at SS.

And in doing so, ends his time in Yankee pinstripes.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carlos-correa-takes-shot-derek-165938681.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carlos-correa-takes-shot-derek-165938681.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2021, 10:45:02 PM
Cash and Kapler are MOYs.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 16, 2021, 11:16:56 PM
Correa explains the fault in Derek Jeter's play at SS.

And in doing so, ends his time in Yankee pinstripes.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carlos-correa-takes-shot-derek-165938681.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carlos-correa-takes-shot-derek-165938681.html)

Sure seems like a good way to avoid getting that job.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 17, 2021, 11:49:09 AM
The Montreal-Tampa Rays?

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2021/11/16/the-rays-flirtation-with-montreal-could-become-a-true-romance-this-week/ (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2021/11/16/the-rays-flirtation-with-montreal-could-become-a-true-romance-this-week/)

Mon Dieu! What would Le Grande Orange say?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 17, 2021, 12:35:57 PM
Correa explains the fault in Derek Jeter's play at SS.

And in doing so, ends his time in Yankee pinstripes.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carlos-correa-takes-shot-derek-165938681.html (https://www.yahoo.com/sports/carlos-correa-takes-shot-derek-165938681.html)

Hearing today Yanks are split on Correa, Seager
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 17, 2021, 12:36:43 PM
AND that Red Sox are in on Baez

I am OK with this if Mets sign Semien.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 17, 2021, 01:28:22 PM
AND that Red Sox are in on Baez

I am OK with this if Mets sign Semien.

Baez in Boston...hmmm...

Good ballpark for his style of hitting. Takes defensive pressure off of Bogaerts.


Mets can overpay for Semien, if they want, and they would.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 17, 2021, 02:06:45 PM
The Montreal-Tampa Rays?

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2021/11/16/the-rays-flirtation-with-montreal-could-become-a-true-romance-this-week/ (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2021/11/16/the-rays-flirtation-with-montreal-could-become-a-true-romance-this-week/)

Mon Dieu! What would Le Grande Orange say?

I  could take a staub at answering that...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 17, 2021, 02:08:56 PM
The Montreal-Tampa Rays?

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2021/11/16/the-rays-flirtation-with-montreal-could-become-a-true-romance-this-week/ (https://www.tampabay.com/sports/rays/2021/11/16/the-rays-flirtation-with-montreal-could-become-a-true-romance-this-week/)

Mon Dieu! What would Le Grande Orange say?

I  could take a staub at answering that...

Your humor is a bit...a...rusty.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 17, 2021, 03:28:52 PM
AND that Red Sox are in on Baez

I am OK with this if Mets sign Semien.

Baez in Boston...hmmm...

Good ballpark for his style of hitting. Takes defensive pressure off of Bogaerts.


Mets can overpay for Semien, if they want, and they would.

Mets - I am happy to say - have said they will pay the current freight to compete til they can get back organizationally to developing from within.

Couple of decent guys coming up soon.  Arms?  Not so much.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 17, 2021, 03:30:17 PM
Actually have a third sacker we could rush, with McNeil taking 2B fulltime.  But jury now out on Jeff as a player and a person.  I think he may leave town.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 17, 2021, 05:11:29 PM
AND that Red Sox are in on Baez

I am OK with this if Mets sign Semien.

Baez in Boston...hmmm...

Good ballpark for his style of hitting. Takes defensive pressure off of Bogaerts.


Mets can overpay for Semien, if they want, and they would.

Mets - I am happy to say - have said they will pay the current freight to compete til they can get back organizationally to developing from within.

Couple of decent guys coming up soon.  Arms?  Not so much.
Are not the Mets already overpaying for a shortstop?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 17, 2021, 06:25:18 PM
Paying handsomely, surely.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 17, 2021, 06:27:06 PM
CF, 2B, SP, RP, C

Out go some of Cohen's dollars - and then some more...

Mets/Yanks clash over Marte should be interesting
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 17, 2021, 07:01:59 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411 (https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411)

It would be pretty funny if Shildt won the Manager award after having been fired. I think it will be Kapler. In the AL, the Mariner's skipper would be my bet.

If somebody other than Ohtani wins the MVP I'd be surprised. Harper looks likely to win in the NL.

I'm thinking Ray and Burnes for Cy Young.

Franco would be my ROY bet. I have no opinion in the NL contest.

I wonder when and for whom the Manager of the Year and MVP awards will be named. It seems inevitable, though I could see them giving the two MVP awards different names.

Got one manager and both Cy Youngs. Missed on ROY in the AL and didn't even take a shot on the NL. 3/5 or 3/6 depending on how you count the NL ROY refusal to hazard a guess.

Wonder who gets the MVP and if I can stay at at least .500.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 18, 2021, 08:45:12 AM
The Cy Young award has become a joke.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 18, 2021, 09:14:05 AM
Belt accepts QO from Giants

(1 in 14)

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/justin-verlander-freddie-freeman-among-those-to-reject-qualifying-offer.html

Mets are in a pickle.  They get a first rounder as compensation for losing Kumar Rocker.  But this gives them the #10 and #14 overall selections.  If they sign a player who has declined the QO they surrender their second highest pick.  Instead of it being a second rounder it is now the prime 14th overall.

So as much as I would love to take a stab at Castellanos or at Chris Taylor....

No.  Not likely.  Not when a big power arm close to the bigs might be available out of the collegiate ranks.

Conforto also likely gone, though I do expect Mets to show him some pretty good love.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 18, 2021, 10:48:59 AM
The Cy Young award has become a joke.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners)

The predicted winners won.

Who would you have chosen?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 18, 2021, 12:43:17 PM
The Cy Young award has become a joke.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners)

The predicted winners won.

Who would you have chosen?


Ray and NOT Burnes.

I could have lived with Scherzer, but Wheeler was the deserving Cy Young. Scherzer because he went to another team in another Division, and pitched his team into the play-offs.  Wheeler pitched an MLB-high 213 1/3 innings (Burnes had 167!) , had a few shutouts (you remember what those are, don't you?), and did not have anywhere near the Bullpen that Burnes had, which meant his value to the team was much greater than Burnes's value.

Durability and endurance should matter, especially in this Bullpen era, because it takes pressure off of the pen, but according to too many voters, it apparently does not. 

Burnes was in a 6 man rotation, which means he had many times when he wasn't pitching every 5th day, the way Wheeler did.

Even then, Burnes averaged less than 6 innings per start, and Wheeler average pitching into the 7th

Wheeler led all MLB pitchers in bWAR (7.6) and strikeouts (247) while finishing 2nd in fWAR (7.3), FIP (2.59) and xERA (2.78).

Burnes was 2.43 ERA vs 2.78 ERA for Wheeler, but that difference is over 54 more innings pitched!

Wheeler recorded 139 MORE outs this season than Burnes, which is  more than 5 games worth of outs!

And according to Jayson Stark, if Wheeler, Burnes and Scherzer never threw a pitch after the 6th inning, Wheeler would have posted and ERA of 2.32, which is better than Scherzer's 2.60 and Burnes's 2.34.


Sorry, but the younger voters can't see the baseball field anymore, as they are too focused on blades of grass.





Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 18, 2021, 03:27:50 PM
zzzzzzzzz......
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 18, 2021, 03:32:09 PM
zzzzzzzzz......

Translation: "I can't keep up."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 18, 2021, 04:06:45 PM
Shame how Phils have never developed their own Cy winner
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 18, 2021, 06:10:11 PM
The Cy Young award has become a joke.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10018441-mlb-cy-young-award-2021-robbie-ray-corbin-burnes-named-al-nl-winners)

The predicted winners won.

Who would you have chosen?


Ray and NOT Burnes.

I could have lived with Scherzer, but Wheeler was the deserving Cy Young. Scherzer because he went to another team in another Division, and pitched his team into the play-offs.  Wheeler pitched an MLB-high 213 1/3 innings (Burnes had 167!) , had a few shutouts (you remember what those are, don't you?), and did not have anywhere near the Bullpen that Burnes had, which meant his value to the team was much greater than Burnes's value.

Durability and endurance should matter, especially in this Bullpen era, because it takes pressure off of the pen, but according to too many voters, it apparently does not. 

Burnes was in a 6 man rotation, which means he had many times when he wasn't pitching every 5th day, the way Wheeler did.

Even then, Burnes averaged less than 6 innings per start, and Wheeler average pitching into the 7th

Wheeler led all MLB pitchers in bWAR (7.6) and strikeouts (247) while finishing 2nd in fWAR (7.3), FIP (2.59) and xERA (2.78).

Burnes was 2.43 ERA vs 2.78 ERA for Wheeler, but that difference is over 54 more innings pitched!

Wheeler recorded 139 MORE outs this season than Burnes, which is  more than 5 games worth of outs!

And according to Jayson Stark, if Wheeler, Burnes and Scherzer never threw a pitch after the 6th inning, Wheeler would have posted and ERA of 2.32, which is better than Scherzer's 2.60 and Burnes's 2.34.


Sorry, but the younger voters can't see the baseball field anymore, as they are too focused on blades of grass.

Thank you.

Lots of reasons to have gone with Wheeler, to be sure.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 18, 2021, 06:41:54 PM
heh

Like with every close vote

Certainly 3 worthy candidates.  This one is not to be put up to critics.  Burnes got it.  Move on.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 18, 2021, 06:45:53 PM
heh

Like with every close vote

Certainly 3 worthy candidates.  This one is not to be put up to critics.  Burnes got it.  Move on.

Pretty funny from somebody who was denying the election results were final for so long.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 18, 2021, 07:24:11 PM
Well, they got the NL MVP, right.

Much to Nats fans' chagrin.

If only ownership had not been so cheap. They could've had Soto, Harper, Mad Max, Turner...


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 18, 2021, 08:09:47 PM
congrats
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 18, 2021, 10:22:16 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411 (https://www.mlb.com/news/bbwaa-awards-finalists-2021?partnerId=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&qid=1026&utm_id=zh-20211109-498384-mlb-1-A&bt_ee=qJM%2FNp%2FG92%2FWKRChtXQ3B%2B8kArTVTNZp%2FYhr28EVPisNAUBkWr9DHzSlISc8IRlg&bt_ts=1636464489411)

It would be pretty funny if Shildt won the Manager award after having been fired. I think it will be Kapler. In the AL, the Mariner's skipper would be my bet.

If somebody other than Ohtani wins the MVP I'd be surprised. Harper looks likely to win in the NL.

I'm thinking Ray and Burnes for Cy Young.

Franco would be my ROY bet. I have no opinion in the NL contest.

I wonder when and for whom the Manager of the Year and MVP awards will be named. It seems inevitable, though I could see them giving the two MVP awards different names.

Got one manager and both Cy Youngs. Missed on ROY in the AL and didn't even take a shot on the NL. 3/5 or 3/6 depending on how you count the NL ROY refusal to hazard a guess.

Wonder who gets the MVP and if I can stay at at least .500.

5 correct guesses out of 7 tries and 8 possibilities.

I can live with that!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 19, 2021, 07:47:18 PM
The Curse of Chief Wahoo has begun!

https://www.cleveland.com/guardians/2021/11/cleveland-guardians-team-shop-sign-crashes-shortly-after-new-merchandise-goes-on-sale.html (https://www.cleveland.com/guardians/2021/11/cleveland-guardians-team-shop-sign-crashes-shortly-after-new-merchandise-goes-on-sale.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2021, 11:23:26 AM
It's like they never heard of the horror stories based on rebuilding on sacred Indian burial grounds.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2021, 12:08:52 PM
Hof The Golden Era 2021 ballot

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/golden-era/tiant-luis (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/golden-era/tiant-luis)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 20, 2021, 12:14:25 PM
Hof The Golden Era 2021 ballot

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/golden-era/tiant-luis (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/golden-era/tiant-luis)

Wish they'd update it to have the 2021 ballot instead of the 2015 ballot!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 20, 2021, 02:18:03 PM
Curse of Chief Wahoo strikes again.



the 2022 Golden Era Class

https://baseballhall.org/discover/golden-days-era-ballot-2022 (https://baseballhall.org/discover/golden-days-era-ballot-2022)




Nine former big league players and one manager comprise the 10-name Golden Days Era ballot to be reviewed and voted upon Dec. 5 at the Baseball Winter Meetings.

Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Gil Hodges
Jim Kaat
Roger Maris
Minnie Minoso
Danny Murtaugh
Tony Oliva
Billy Pierce
Maury Wills

are the candidates the Golden Days Era Committee will consider for Hall of Fame election for the Class of 2022.

If this doesn't work fuck it.

Screw this formatting.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 21, 2021, 09:40:27 AM
Hof The Golden Era 2021 ballot

https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/golden-era/tiant-luis (https://baseballhall.org/hall-of-fame/golden-era/tiant-luis)

Wish they'd update it to have the 2021 ballot instead of the 2015 ballot!

Billy Pierce?  Minnie Monoso?  Maury Wills?

Jeez - if they are gonna do this, do it right.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 21, 2021, 11:56:37 AM
Curse of Chief Wahoo strikes again.



the 2022 Golden Era Class

https://baseballhall.org/discover/golden-days-era-ballot-2022 (https://baseballhall.org/discover/golden-days-era-ballot-2022)




Nine former big league players and one manager comprise the 10-name Golden Days Era ballot to be reviewed and voted upon Dec. 5 at the Baseball Winter Meetings.

Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Gil Hodges
Jim Kaat
Roger Maris
Minnie Minoso
Danny Murtaugh
Tony Oliva
Billy Pierce
Maury Wills

are the candidates the Golden Days Era Committee will consider for Hall of Fame election for the Class of 2022.

If this doesn't work fuck it.

Screw this formatting.

Allen, Oliva, and Kaat would be my choices.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 21, 2021, 12:56:28 PM
Curse of Chief Wahoo strikes again.



the 2022 Golden Era Class

https://baseballhall.org/discover/golden-days-era-ballot-2022 (https://baseballhall.org/discover/golden-days-era-ballot-2022)




Nine former big league players and one manager comprise the 10-name Golden Days Era ballot to be reviewed and voted upon Dec. 5 at the Baseball Winter Meetings.

Dick Allen
Ken Boyer
Gil Hodges
Jim Kaat
Roger Maris
Minnie Minoso
Danny Murtaugh
Tony Oliva
Billy Pierce
Maury Wills

are the candidates the Golden Days Era Committee will consider for Hall of Fame election for the Class of 2022.

If this doesn't work fuck it.

Screw this formatting.

Allen, Oliva, and Kaat would be my choices.

Its tough with the borderline guys, as you can always find the pros and cons.

I'd probably vote for Allen now. I never thought Kaat was a HoF pitcher, for most of his career he wasn't an all-star pitcher., but he was good and pitched forever, and he was a pretty good TV analyst and I got his autograph as a kid.

Oliva was real good, but never thought he was a HoFer at the time he played, but don't have any strong argument against.

Except IMO all these guys lower the bar a little.

I'd probably vote for Minoso as a pioneering Latin player who I remember as exciting and a one of a kind guy which he kind of was in the AL). Played with speed, a singles doubles guy, with some power, and could flash leather.  and probably opened doors for the great Latin players that came after him.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 21, 2021, 02:36:53 PM
Re:  Minoso, Oliva

Well, you just know it (HOF entry) is going to become a diversity thing - as everything.

Especialy with a select group of voters, easy to see this occurring.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 21, 2021, 02:37:50 PM
Tony Oliva played 11 full seasons

ELEVEN!

I do give you

5 times leading league in hits
Three batting titles
One slugging title
Led 4 times in doubles
100 runs 2X
100 RBI 2X
8 time All Star
6 times batted .300
5 times top 10 MVP
Rookie of Year
One Gold Glove
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 21, 2021, 04:50:09 PM
Re:  Minoso, Oliva

Well, you just know it (HOF entry) is going to become a diversity thing - as everything.

Especialy with a select group of voters, easy to see this occurring.

I remember as a kid of about 10-12 or so, reading a Sport magazine article about the fiery and temperamental Latin players and the challenge they would have to successfully adapt to life in MLB. And that the challenges to communicate in English and other cultural reasons could hinder their advances playing the game. (ie they were a headache). I thought it was fucked up then, but it was in a leading sports magazine so...

I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 22, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Sox pick up option for Alex Cora for the '23 and '24 seasons.

Kid is expected to exercise his option on "Joey" for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 22, 2021, 12:22:36 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2021, 02:22:49 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 22, 2021, 03:22:00 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

I'm suggesting Minoso was good, and his stats and career are HoF worthy (borderline/leaning in) but a I imagine being the 1st dark-skinned Latin player (Cuban) to play in MLB since MLB segregated players, might have been a challenge in 1949 when the Indians signed him. And I'm guessing his English might have been a little rough. So his ability to connect with the writers, you know have a drink or two at the bar, go out to dinner, share a dirty joke, may have been somewhat compromised.

But he was the first and followed by Cepeda, Clemente, Pinson, Marichal and others.

IMO there should be a place in the Hall of Fame for Minoso and his role in MLB history. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2021, 04:20:47 PM
Doug Jones, dies from Covid-19.

https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Indians-Astros-closer-Doug-Jones-dead-COVID-19-16642367.php (https://www.chron.com/sports/astros/article/Indians-Astros-closer-Doug-Jones-dead-COVID-19-16642367.php)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2021, 04:52:37 PM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.

Ryan Howard on the ballot, but I think he's just short of the Hall.
Title: Amazingly Stupid!
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2021, 05:05:17 PM
Keith Hernandez is officially a dolt (not adult!). Too much coke back in the day, Keith?

https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/keith-hernandez-robert-kennedy-jr-anti-vaccine-book-twitter-mets-01fmwz0mr2ga (https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/keith-hernandez-robert-kennedy-jr-anti-vaccine-book-twitter-mets-01fmwz0mr2ga)

Maybe avoid sending condolences to Doug Jones's family, Keith, you fucking moron.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 22, 2021, 05:13:50 PM
Curt Schilling
Hall of Fame 2022
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 22, 2021, 07:01:07 PM
Taking no side - for info only

https://campello.tripod.com/firstblackinbaseball.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 22, 2021, 08:16:41 PM
The Mets, Phillies and Marlins are all showing interest in Marte, according to multiple tweets from MLB Network insider Jon Heyman over the past two days.



Play with Bryce of play with You Found Nimmo?

Easy call.

https://twitter.com/you_found_nimmo
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 22, 2021, 10:58:12 PM
Curt Schilling
Hall of Fame 2022

Fuck that fascist!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 23, 2021, 09:07:39 AM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.
I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 23, 2021, 09:11:31 AM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 02:17:44 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 23, 2021, 02:44:26 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.
No, I did. O'Malley and famed swimming coach Al Campania created a system limiting the number of minorities on the Dodgers and had Robinson opine on which minority player they should get rid of..
 His response was nobody. That you would highlight the involvement of Robinson in a bigoted system created by wbite men is... what is that word...

Typical.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 02:53:11 PM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.
I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.


Rollins' similar batters score, according to https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rolliji01.shtml, a reliable source.

Barry Larkin (861.4) *
Alan Trammell (850.4) *
Lou Whitaker (836.1)
Roberto Alomar (829.5) *
Edgar Renteria (819.6)
Ryne Sandberg (814.3) *
Jay Bell (804.3)
Ted Simmons (797.1) *
Joe Morgan (795.3) *
Ray Durham (795.2)

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

But wait, there's more:

 

Rollins is the Phillies all-time hits leader with 2,455 hits in 17 seasons (more than Trammell in 20 seasons) and an MVP trophy (Trammell never won one).

Rollins led the league in triples four times. Trammell had 55 career triples, Rollins had 115. He had 235 homers, or 50 more than Trammell, in those 3 fewer seasons.

He stole 46 bags as a rookie, and he led the league in plate appearances three times and at-bats four times.

 
Rollins earned four Gold Gloves (same as Trammell and Barry Larkin) and made three All-Star games.

Rollins has more doubles, triples and home runs than Barry Larkin, Ozzie Smith, and some guy named Trammell. He has more hits than Larkin and Trammell, and is just five hits behind Smith, but with two less seasons of play than Smith.

I realize that you only watch AL ball and maybe don't realize that the NL version is still the real game, and where Rollins played almost his entire career before ending up with the White Sox for 39 games at his career's end. Trammell DH'd numerous times throughout his career, and J-Roll only did that 7 times in his entire career.

And Rollins had a higher Fielding percentage than Trammell. And, while I do think that Trammell should have been in the HOF without the aid of a committee, Rollins's will not face that situation. Maybe he can thank Trammell and Larkin and Ozzie Smith for that, but really he's earned his way to Cooperstown.




 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 02:57:56 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.
No, I did. O'Malley and famed swimming coach Al Campania created a system limiting the number of minorities on the Dodgers and had Robinson opine on which minority player they should get rid of..
 His response was nobody. That you would highlight the involvement of Robinson in a bigoted system created by wbite men is... what is that word...

Typical.

Except the Robinson endorsed the program by how he answered the question of who should go down to make room for his fellow African-American, quote: If I were the GM, I would not bring Clemente to the club and send Shuba or any other white player down. If I did this, I would be setting our program back five years.


The great Mr. Robinson may have said such, too, because he recognized that Clemente was and was going to be a better ballplayer than he, but we'll never know for sure.

And my highlighting it got you to read all the way to end of the piece.

Which proves I know my audience.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 02:59:31 PM
Rays making sure Franco does not wander away, give him an 11 year contract!

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/rays-sign-wander-franco-extension-11-years.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/rays-sign-wander-franco-extension-11-years.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 23, 2021, 03:02:16 PM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.
I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.


Rollins' similar batters score, according to https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rolliji01.shtml, a reliable source.

Barry Larkin (861.4) *
Alan Trammell (850.4) *
Lou Whitaker (836.1)
Roberto Alomar (829.5) *
Edgar Renteria (819.6)
Ryne Sandberg (814.3) *
Jay Bell (804.3)
Ted Simmons (797.1) *
Joe Morgan (795.3) *
Ray Durham (795.2)

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

But wait, there's more:

 

Rollins is the Phillies all-time hits leader with 2,455 hits in 17 seasons (more than Trammell in 20 seasons) and an MVP trophy (Trammell never won one).

Rollins led the league in triples four times. Trammell had 55 career triples, Rollins had 115. He had 235 homers, or 50 more than Trammell, in those 3 fewer seasons.

He stole 46 bags as a rookie, and he led the league in plate appearances three times and at-bats four times.

 
Rollins earned four Gold Gloves (same as Trammell and Barry Larkin) and made three All-Star games.

Rollins has more doubles, triples and home runs than Barry Larkin, Ozzie Smith, and some guy named Trammell. He has more hits than Larkin and Trammell, and is just five hits behind Smith, but with two less seasons of play than Smith.

I realize that you only watch AL ball and maybe don't realize that the NL version is still the real game, and where Rollins played almost his entire career before ending up with the White Sox for 39 games at his career's end. Trammell DH'd numerous times throughout his career, and J-Roll only did that 7 times in his entire career.

And Rollins had a higher Fielding percentage than Trammell. And, while I do think that Trammell should have been in the HOF without the aid of a committee, Rollins's will not face that situation. Maybe he can thank Trammell and Larkin and Ozzie Smith for that, but really he's earned his way to Cooperstown.
You are right, Lou Whittaker should be in the Hall of Fame.

I am not saying he does not have a case, but he is going to have a long wait.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 23, 2021, 03:03:38 PM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.
I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.


Rollins' similar batters score, according to https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rolliji01.shtml, a reliable source.

Barry Larkin (861.4) *
Alan Trammell (850.4) *
Lou Whitaker (836.1)
Roberto Alomar (829.5) *
Edgar Renteria (819.6)
Ryne Sandberg (814.3) *
Jay Bell (804.3)
Ted Simmons (797.1) *
Joe Morgan (795.3) *
Ray Durham (795.2)

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

But wait, there's more:

 

Rollins is the Phillies all-time hits leader with 2,455 hits in 17 seasons (more than Trammell in 20 seasons) and an MVP trophy (Trammell never won one).

Rollins led the league in triples four times. Trammell had 55 career triples, Rollins had 115. He had 235 homers, or 50 more than Trammell, in those 3 fewer seasons.

He stole 46 bags as a rookie, and he led the league in plate appearances three times and at-bats four times.

 
Rollins earned four Gold Gloves (same as Trammell and Barry Larkin) and made three All-Star games.

Rollins has more doubles, triples and home runs than Barry Larkin, Ozzie Smith, and some guy named Trammell. He has more hits than Larkin and Trammell, and is just five hits behind Smith, but with two less seasons of play than Smith.

I realize that you only watch AL ball and maybe don't realize that the NL version is still the real game, and where Rollins played almost his entire career before ending up with the White Sox for 39 games at his career's end. Trammell DH'd numerous times throughout his career, and J-Roll only did that 7 times in his entire career.

And Rollins had a higher Fielding percentage than Trammell. And, while I do think that Trammell should have been in the HOF without the aid of a committee, Rollins's will not face that situation. Maybe he can thank Trammell and Larkin and Ozzie Smith for that, but really he's earned his way to Cooperstown.

Borderline HoF

all the decent SS were in the AL

in fact the Yankees had 2.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 23, 2021, 03:04:35 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.
No, I did. O'Malley and famed swimming coach Al Campania created a system limiting the number of minorities on the Dodgers and had Robinson opine on which minority player they should get rid of..
 His response was nobody. That you would highlight the involvement of Robinson in a bigoted system created by wbite men is... what is that word...

Typical.

Except the Robinson endorsed the program by how he answered the question of who should go down to make room for his fellow African-American....
Tbat the question was even put to him is the real issue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 03:12:54 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.
No, I did. O'Malley and famed swimming coach Al Campania created a system limiting the number of minorities on the Dodgers and had Robinson opine on which minority player they should get rid of..
 His response was nobody. That you would highlight the involvement of Robinson in a bigoted system created by wbite men is... what is that word...

Typical.

Except the Robinson endorsed the program by how he answered the question of who should go down to make room for his fellow African-American....
Tbat the question was even put to him is the real issue.

Perhaps, but in the end, he threw Clemente off the team. If he had said, yes, keep him, this guy's a tremendous talent and shouldn't that be all that we consider, we'd know the real value of Mr. Robinson. Instead, he went along to get along it seems.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 03:15:30 PM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.
I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.


Rollins' similar batters score, according to https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rolliji01.shtml, a reliable source.

Barry Larkin (861.4) *
Alan Trammell (850.4) *
Lou Whitaker (836.1)
Roberto Alomar (829.5) *
Edgar Renteria (819.6)
Ryne Sandberg (814.3) *
Jay Bell (804.3)
Ted Simmons (797.1) *
Joe Morgan (795.3) *
Ray Durham (795.2)

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

But wait, there's more:

 

Rollins is the Phillies all-time hits leader with 2,455 hits in 17 seasons (more than Trammell in 20 seasons) and an MVP trophy (Trammell never won one).

Rollins led the league in triples four times. Trammell had 55 career triples, Rollins had 115. He had 235 homers, or 50 more than Trammell, in those 3 fewer seasons.

He stole 46 bags as a rookie, and he led the league in plate appearances three times and at-bats four times.

 
Rollins earned four Gold Gloves (same as Trammell and Barry Larkin) and made three All-Star games.

Rollins has more doubles, triples and home runs than Barry Larkin, Ozzie Smith, and some guy named Trammell. He has more hits than Larkin and Trammell, and is just five hits behind Smith, but with two less seasons of play than Smith.

I realize that you only watch AL ball and maybe don't realize that the NL version is still the real game, and where Rollins played almost his entire career before ending up with the White Sox for 39 games at his career's end. Trammell DH'd numerous times throughout his career, and J-Roll only did that 7 times in his entire career.

And Rollins had a higher Fielding percentage than Trammell. And, while I do think that Trammell should have been in the HOF without the aid of a committee, Rollins's will not face that situation. Maybe he can thank Trammell and Larkin and Ozzie Smith for that, but really he's earned his way to Cooperstown.

Borderline HoF

all the decent SS were in the AL

in fact the Yankees had 2.

"All".

Okay, Tony Kubek.

Take a look at the era in which Rollins was winning his MVP, GGs, and playing in the post-season annually: https://www.fueledbysports.com/ranking-10-best-shortstops-since-2000/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 03:16:22 PM
And look here, too: https://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/mlb/10-best-shortstops-of-the-2000s.aspx (https://www.sportingcharts.com/articles/mlb/10-best-shortstops-of-the-2000s.aspx)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on November 23, 2021, 03:51:16 PM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.
I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.


Rollins' similar batters score, according to https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rolliji01.shtml, a reliable source.

Barry Larkin (861.4) *
Alan Trammell (850.4) *
Lou Whitaker (836.1)
Roberto Alomar (829.5) *
Edgar Renteria (819.6)
Ryne Sandberg (814.3) *
Jay Bell (804.3)
Ted Simmons (797.1) *
Joe Morgan (795.3) *
Ray Durham (795.2)

* - Signifies Hall of Famer

But wait, there's more:

 

Rollins is the Phillies all-time hits leader with 2,455 hits in 17 seasons (more than Trammell in 20 seasons) and an MVP trophy (Trammell never won one).

Rollins led the league in triples four times. Trammell had 55 career triples, Rollins had 115. He had 235 homers, or 50 more than Trammell, in those 3 fewer seasons.

He stole 46 bags as a rookie, and he led the league in plate appearances three times and at-bats four times.

 
Rollins earned four Gold Gloves (same as Trammell and Barry Larkin) and made three All-Star games.

Rollins has more doubles, triples and home runs than Barry Larkin, Ozzie Smith, and some guy named Trammell. He has more hits than Larkin and Trammell, and is just five hits behind Smith, but with two less seasons of play than Smith.

I realize that you only watch AL ball and maybe don't realize that the NL version is still the real game, and where Rollins played almost his entire career before ending up with the White Sox for 39 games at his career's end. Trammell DH'd numerous times throughout his career, and J-Roll only did that 7 times in his entire career.

And Rollins had a higher Fielding percentage than Trammell. And, while I do think that Trammell should have been in the HOF without the aid of a committee, Rollins's will not face that situation. Maybe he can thank Trammell and Larkin and Ozzie Smith for that, but really he's earned his way to Cooperstown.

Borderline HoF

all the decent SS were in the AL

in fact the Yankees had 2.

"All".

Okay, Tony Kubek.

Take a look at the era in which Rollins was winning his MVP, GGs, and playing in the post-season annually: https://www.fueledbysports.com/ranking-10-best-shortstops-since-2000/

I was talking the relevant era.

Rollins won his GGs only after a 39 YO  former AL SS, who won a gazillion GG and who was the best fielding SS not named Ozzie, got a little too old, but still won GGs in the NL. And that SS was the 4th, 5th, 6th, best SS in the AL (hitting included). And that SS should have been voted in last year solely on the basis of his brilliant defense. Never mind his 2800 hits.

Rollins was a good SS, but IMO borderline.

Omar was better. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 04:11:09 PM
It depends on what you value.

I like winning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 23, 2021, 05:39:04 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.
No, I did. O'Malley and famed swimming coach Al Campania created a system limiting the number of minorities on the Dodgers and had Robinson opine on which minority player they should get rid of..
 His response was nobody. That you would highlight the involvement of Robinson in a bigoted system created by wbite men is... what is that word...

Typical.

Except the Robinson endorsed the program by how he answered the question of who should go down to make room for his fellow African-American....
Tbat the question was even put to him is the real issue.

Perhaps, but in the end, he threw Clemente off the team. If he had said, yes, keep him, this guy's a tremendous talent and shouldn't that be all that we consider, we'd know the real value of Mr. Robinson. Instead, he went along to get along it seems.
He was put in an impossible position where there was no good answer. The blame for not promoting Clemente is firmly with the people creating the quota system in the first place. Not with the guy trying to operate within it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 23, 2021, 05:45:30 PM
It depends on what you value.

I like winning.
Was not the fault of Omar that Jose Useless Pile of Horse Excrement Mesa lost confidence and threw his third best pitch at the single most important point of his career. Was not Omar shaking off Sandy Alomar calling for the heater.

I have not run the numbers but suspect the win loss record of the Indians with Omar would compare favorably with the Rollins era Fillies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 05:53:40 PM
Interesting that there are 2 players in the top 10 on this all-time list, and the BBWAA will keep them out of the HOF:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_career.shtml)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2021, 06:58:04 PM
Known PED users A-Rod and Ortiz on the HOF ballot.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32691595/david-ortiz-alex-rodriguez-13-first-rs-hall-fame-ballot)

Jimmy Rollins on the ballot, too, and his stats indicate that he should be a first ballot HOFer.
I realize you are Philadelphia uber alles but his stats are far below Alan Trammell's, and it took a committee to get him in. Rollins's biggest claim to fame is being able to stick Philly as long as he did.

I like Trammel over Rollins but it took too long for them to award Allan.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2021, 06:59:52 PM
Interesting that there are 2 players in the top 10 on this all-time list, and the BBWAA will keep them out of the HOF:

https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_career.shtml (https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_career.shtml)

Chris Russo is CERTAIN Bonds and Clements come up short.  Just as certain Schill is a yes this year.p
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 23, 2021, 07:00:59 PM
Also says Arod never gets in and Papi likely does but not now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 23, 2021, 07:41:54 PM
Chris Russo still working for Bud Selig?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 23, 2021, 11:34:54 PM
I wonder how many white BBWAA writers WBW who could not communicate with Latin American players or didn't give a fuck if they could, never gave them the respect or credit they deserved, including HoF recognition.


Who would be the poster child for this?  Minnie Minoso?  Really?

Roberto Clemente spoke to this issue of dealing with reporters and the language barrier.

Interestingly, Jackie Robinson kept Clemente from becoming a Dodger:

https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/ (https://remezcla.com/sports/the-racist-history-behind-roberto-clementes-transition-from-the-dodgers-to-the-pirates/)

In terms of his societal impact on the game, I'd rank Clemente ahead of Robinson, in many ways.
Your take on the Dodgers allegedly having a quota on minorities would be to blame the black guy. Great take, Forrest.

Looks like you didn't read the whole piece.

Typical.

As spelled out in my recent link - Robinson was not nearly first choice on ability
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 26, 2021, 07:44:09 PM
Casey Stengel, antiSemite.

http://faithofaphilliesfan.blogspot.com/2021/11/baker-bowl-brawl-lefty-weinert-battles.html (http://faithofaphilliesfan.blogspot.com/2021/11/baker-bowl-brawl-lefty-weinert-battles.html)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 27, 2021, 11:36:15 AM
Was he anti-black as well?

As the story goes, Martin Dihigo rushed Stengel in his dugout and leveled Casey, thinking the Perfessor had called him a racial slur.  It was in fact a teammate that did the deed.

Lots of that shit happened back then.  Must have been crazy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 27, 2021, 12:05:35 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/michael-wacha-red-sox-deal

Why do the Red Sox keep signing pitchers with high ERAs?! 5.05 is just not very good!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on November 27, 2021, 12:09:47 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/starling-marte-mets-deal

Canho (OF) and Escobar (IF) also signed with the Mets yesterday (as seen in the link), on top of their pre-Thanksgiving signing of OF prospect Nick Plummer (not in that link).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 27, 2021, 03:50:39 PM
Its CANHA.  Mets needed RH bats.

Meanwhile, Phils just lost Hector Neris
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 10:41:51 PM
SEMIEN gets 7/175 from Texas.  TX also signs Jon Gray - 4/56

Gausman 110 mil from Jays over 5
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 28, 2021, 10:48:11 PM
Angels continue their pitching bolstering - adding Michael Lorenzen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on November 29, 2021, 08:30:43 AM
Mets in on Scherzer?

How them Phil's lookin?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 29, 2021, 10:11:27 AM
So, what you're saying is Scherzer becomes a Met, and then breaks down due to injury before July 2022.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2021, 06:42:32 PM
What kind of injury?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 29, 2021, 08:59:46 PM
Oh, come on, kid. It's the Mets. This is how it works. The big signing, and then later on disaster and second guessing.

At least now the Mets have someone who can help them try to buy their way out of their mistakes and misfortunes.

Too bad the GM will only get the blame, if things go wrong, and the owner will get all the credit, if things go right. THAT, in a nutshell, is why the Mets had trouble landing their GM.

Think Buck Showalter gets the manager job, btw?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2021, 10:41:38 PM
That would be fine.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 29, 2021, 10:44:15 PM
So the old guy Semien got 7 years and 25 mil per

Seager 325 for 10.

They will be almost as good as Lindor/Baez - if Mets were to keep that together.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 30, 2021, 04:04:25 PM
Javy Baez to Detroit!

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/tigers-sign-javier-baez.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/tigers-sign-javier-baez.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 30, 2021, 05:23:35 PM
Yeah...

too bad

Queens suited him.

But you cant dis the fans.

Shame now I wont ever see him play.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 01:20:56 AM
JBJ back to the Sox.  Renfroe out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 04:26:11 AM
JBJ back to the Sox.  Renfroe out.

I'm with the Herald. That's a stunning trade.

I sure hope those prospects are hot!

As much as I love JBJ as a fielder, Renfroe's hitting and fielding combined to make him seem far more valuable IMO than JBJ has been most of the time, even if he returned to hitting form (or what passed for it prior to 2021).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 09:15:16 AM
Were the CF metrics that poor a year ago?  What are the plans for Kike?  Or will Jackie be a 4th OF?

I see the parade of vet pitchers continues

Wacha, Hill, now Paxton (off Tommy John).

Should be an interesting year for the Alex's.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 03:56:30 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/media/mlb-website-blackout/index.html

Players? We don't need no stinking players!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 02, 2021, 04:21:31 PM
Maybe if/when MLB gets back on-line there will be another cleat to drop in the Sox JBJ reunion.

Seems like a lot to pay for a couple of mid-level prospects and a great glove/no bat CF. Speculation seems to be Kike plays 2nd, so a plus hitter there is an offset to JBJ in center. I'm assuming in the absence of a Christmas miracle, JBJ is a 4th OF, late inning defensive guy. Maybe Chaim recycles prospects into another bat.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 02, 2021, 04:30:20 PM
Rob Manfred is a piece of shit.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 05:41:25 PM
Bradley deal:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/jackie-bradley-jr-trade-making-sense-red-soxs-surprising-move?cid=sm_npd_rsn_bos_fb_mn&fbclid=IwAR05EB1-p-e0mXJ1qTd6FwDQeiOVSsDnmSP5p-ZDEHdmE6zBDIYK2Mv0s9M
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on December 02, 2021, 07:55:27 PM
Bradley deal:

https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/jackie-bradley-jr-trade-making-sense-red-soxs-surprising-move?cid=sm_npd_rsn_bos_fb_mn&fbclid=IwAR05EB1-p-e0mXJ1qTd6FwDQeiOVSsDnmSP5p-ZDEHdmE6zBDIYK2Mv0s9M

"I sure hope those prospects are hot!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 02, 2021, 08:05:21 PM
Sounds like they are
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 05, 2021, 10:31:24 AM
https://thatballsouttahere.com/2021/12/03/phillies-fan-favorite-freddy-galvis-lockout-play-japan-2022/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 05, 2021, 08:32:30 PM
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/05/sports/negro-leagues-player-ambassador-buck-oneil-elected-hall-fame-with-five-others/
 (https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/05/sports/negro-leagues-player-ambassador-buck-oneil-elected-hall-fame-with-five-others/)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on December 05, 2021, 08:39:38 PM
"Buck O Neil along with
 
Gil Hodges
Minnie Minoso
Tony Oliva
Jim Kaat
Bud Fowler
also were chosen to the HoF by voters on veterans committees.

Dick Allen, who died last December, fell one vote shy of election.

The six newcomers will be enshrined in Cooperstown, New York, on July 24, 2022, along with any new members elected by the Baseball Writers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 06, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
 Congratulations, Gil

Speaking of the Dodgers...love this budding feud:

https://dodgersway.com/2021/12/05/gary-sheffield-son-calling-dodgers-chris-taylor-contract-pathetic/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 06, 2021, 08:06:26 PM
Dick Allen, screwed.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 08, 2021, 11:44:40 AM
Rob Manfred is lying piece of shit.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-fact-checking-commissioner-rob-manfreds-open-letter-to-baseball-fans/ (https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-fact-checking-commissioner-rob-manfreds-open-letter-to-baseball-fans/)

This is certainly not an exhaustive examination of the lies and inaccuracies in Manfred's letter, but the tidiest lockout rationales are addressed.

And they're addressed quite well, too!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on December 18, 2021, 05:34:53 PM
Mets hire Showalter.

Old guys as managers are in vogue, which seems like ballast for this hot air balloon era of analytics.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 22, 2021, 08:21:41 AM
Mets hire Showalter.

Old guys as managers are in vogue, which seems like ballast for this hot air balloon era of analytics.

Seems like the perfect hire

Could it be Mets may be entering a luckier stretch?

Big move on Bryant next.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 04, 2022, 10:23:06 PM
https://boston.cbslocal.com/video/6180710-im-at-peace-former-red-sox-pitcher-jim-corsi-shares-emotional-story-of-terminal-cancer-battle/

Two days after this aired, Jim Corsi (60) died.

R.I.P. Jim Corsi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 06, 2022, 07:59:48 PM
NYT is acquiring The Athletic.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 06, 2022, 08:10:13 PM
It would be great if they actually printed it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 06, 2022, 09:13:01 PM
Look out   Mets got their Joey

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mets-manager-buck-showalter-adding-third-base-coach-joey-cora-to-staff-per-report/?fbclid=IwAR3mGuQ4d7NWbD3rVx8fwTrAhdetP_FOvWE8tvGB7wHkxRq1dULt60iMU3c
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 06, 2022, 11:00:14 PM
Look out   Mets got their Joey

If Joey ever ends up managing, will the Coras be the first brothers to both manage?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 06, 2022, 11:37:56 PM
  Lachemans
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 07, 2022, 12:49:49 AM
  Lachemans

Hope if Joey manages he can do better than they did! Alex has, so far.
Title: Re: Minor League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 10, 2022, 02:07:44 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10023324-report-rachel-balkovec-to-be-1st-female-minor-league-manager-for-yankees-low-a-team?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 18, 2022, 12:15:59 PM
Look out   Mets got their Joey

If Joey ever ends up managing, will the Coras be the first brothers to both manage?!

Can;t do that, but they could be the first two caught cheating.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 18, 2022, 01:46:25 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952518-in-or-out-voting-on-active-mlb-players-hall-of-fame-resumes

Agree? Disagree?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 18, 2022, 06:31:18 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952518-in-or-out-voting-on-active-mlb-players-hall-of-fame-resumes

Agree? Disagree?

Sure.

What's the question exactly?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 18, 2022, 06:37:41 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2952518-in-or-out-voting-on-active-mlb-players-hall-of-fame-resumes

Agree? Disagree?

Sure.

What's the question exactly?

Do you agree with the author's assessments of individual's chances of the various active MLB players' getting elected to the Baseball Hall of Fame?!

Second question: Was it really that tough for you to decipher what I was asking?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 18, 2022, 10:54:34 PM
The author doesnt really offer specific judgment.  Just categorizes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 19, 2022, 01:49:43 AM
The author doesnt really offer specific judgment.  Just categorizes.

And di you agree with his categories and why he placed the specific individuals into them?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 19, 2022, 09:50:52 AM
I like Machado Harper and Kimbrel in addition to the guys they are calling locks for first ballot.

Of the guys they dont like because of doping or other...

add CANO add CRUZ if he gets to 500 HR add ALTUVE if he gets 1000 more hits

Greinke-Mussina comparison seems OK but not really.  Mike was consistent and for a longer time.   Zack G is an "I'll give it further thought" for me.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 25, 2022, 02:08:03 PM
Good read: The year 2001 saw Barry Bonds hit 73 home runs, Roger Clemens go 20
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2022, 04:48:55 PM
Happy BIG PAPI
Day, everyone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2022, 06:27:19 PM
Congrats to BIG PAPI

a very deserving Hall of Famer
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 25, 2022, 07:54:32 PM
So, this guy, who essentially only played a 1/2 a game each night, and who actually had a positive test for PEDs can get in the HALL, but the other guys, who never tested positive can't because they're suspected of using PEDs. Not to mention that he hung with known drug dealers back in the DR. Character and integrity? They only count some times.

Sure.

That makes sense.

And the Astros have a "championship".



 

Bud Selig is in. But Sosa, Bonds, and Clemens?

Fuck the HOF voters.

Fuck Cooperstown, the museum, MLB.


And fuck anyone who would support their votes and their abject subjectivity. 

 

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 25, 2022, 08:13:21 PM
So, this guy, who essentially only played a 1/2 a game each night, and who actually had a positive test for PEDs can get in the HALL, but the other guys, who never tested positive can't because they're suspected of using PEDs. Not to mention that he hung with known drug dealers back in the DR. Character and integrity? They only count some times.

Sure.

That makes sense.

And the Astros have a "championship".



 

Bud Selig is in. But Sosa, Bonds, and Clemens?

Fuck the HOF voters.

Fuck Cooperstown, the museum, MLB.


And fuck anyone who would support their votes and their abject subjectivity.

You remain hilarious.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 25, 2022, 08:26:29 PM
Ortiz first 5 seasons in MINN? 11.6 HRs per season. First 5 years in Fenway? 41.6 HRs per season.

Tested positive for PEDs.


If you don't think this guy cheated, you're a dope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 25, 2022, 10:06:31 PM
Tested positive for PEDs.

And this is the line you use that proves that you dope more than Ortiz and I combined.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 25, 2022, 10:32:31 PM
1st ballot HoFer

not many of those

joins the Hall among the elite of the elite

quite an honor for Big Papi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 25, 2022, 10:59:10 PM
Wondering....

do you think Ortiz was STILL doing steroids his last 4 years, age 37-40?   After being suspected and having to deny it, he STILL proceeded to "cheat"?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 12:23:11 PM
Tested positive for PEDs.

And this is the line you use that proves that you dope more than Ortiz and I combined.

Here you go, from a source we know you trust, too:Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz, the sluggers who helped the Boston Red Sox end an 86-year World Series championship drought and capture another title three years later, were among the roughly 100 Major League Baseball players to test positive for performance-enhancing drugs in 2003, according to lawyers with knowledge of the results.


https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/31/sports/baseball/31doping.html)


 
Tainted championships, tainted players, tainted HOF.

'T'ain't nothing you can say to refute that, either.


I suppose you think it was just the change in ball parks that had Ortiz going from 11.6 homer average in 5 seasons in Minnesota to 41.6 homer average in first 5 seasons in Boston.

Puhlease. Get a clue.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 12:31:21 PM
Wondering....

do you think Ortiz was STILL doing steroids his last 4 years, age 37-40?   After being suspected and having to deny it, he STILL proceeded to "cheat"?

What difference does it make? We know he cheated, and it's documented. Bonds and Clemens never failed a test, but they aren't going to get in, and Ortiz is.

Of the three, too, he was the least impactful player.

So, the worst player, and the documented PED user is in, but the others are out because of suspicion of using PEDs.

The HOF is a fucking joke, and has been for quite a while, but this seals the deal and clearly shows that the writers are completely compromised. If you kiss their royal asses, you get in. That's how the writers measure "integrity".

This is the group that put Selig, who helped create, support, and govern the steroid era, but now they want to indict the players of that era, while ignoring Ortiz's positive testing?

Same as it ever was. Compromised and inconsistent and egotistical weasely writers. They create the story, and they control it. And that is the problem.

Not one of them ever played the game, but they know all the ins and outs of it.


Fuck the HOF voters.

Fuck Cooperstown, the museum, MLB.


And fuck anyone who would support their votes and their abject subjectivity.
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGfKfMmR-xU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGfKfMmR-xU) Roid Rage.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 12:32:26 PM
1st ballot HoFer

not many of those

joins the Hall among the elite of the elite

quite an honor for Big Papi.

And, as you know in your heart of hearts, and honor that is undeserved.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 26, 2022, 12:51:46 PM
1st ballot HoFer

not many of those

joins the Hall among the elite of the elite

quite an honor for Big Papi.

And, as you know in your heart of hearts, and honor that is undeserved.

David Ortiz is wholly deserving the honor he was bestowed.

I could not be happier in my heart of hearts.

That you mocked him and his fans for close to 20 years and could not understand his prominence, dominance and almost larger than life presence in MLB, speaks to your biases and ignorance. If Ortiz didn't belong in the Hall, almost no one does.

Well maybe except Jamie Moyer.

HEH

That Ortiz joins a relatively small group of 1st ballot entrants to the Hall, recognized by the gate keepers as no-doubters, the best of the best, is wholly deserved.

Ortiz earned the honor.

Your recognition is not required.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 26, 2022, 01:28:41 PM
Wondering....

do you think Ortiz was STILL doing steroids his last 4 years, age 37-40?   After being suspected and having to deny it, he STILL proceeded to "cheat"?

What difference does it make? We know he cheated, and it's documented. Bonds and Clemens never failed a test, but they aren't going to get in, and Ortiz is.

No, we don't know Ortiz cheated and no matter how often you repeat it, we still won't.

We know his name was on a list and that not everybody on the list was guilty.

Barry Bonds did test positive, but prior to MLB's testing program.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112982

As for Clemens, "We had DNA evidence in the Clemens case, with Clemens' DNA and an anabolic steroid within a needle that was used to inject him," said Novitzky.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianred/2020/12/03/former-feds-say-barry-bonds-and-roger-clemens-steroid-evidence-indisputable

Ortiz? He, too, was tested prior to the MLB testing program. But there is a difference between his situation and Bond's. Bond's material was seized directly from Balco. the list Oeriz was listed on is no such proof:
Quote
However, Ortiz was exonerated in 2016 by Manfred, who said: "Even if your name was on that list (of 104) it's entirely possible that you were not a positive," adding that he felt it would be unfair for Hall-of-Fame voters to use that positive test against Ortiz.

Whether you are disingenuous or simply forgetful, the cases against Clemens and Bonds are far stronger than the case against Ortiz as far as steroids are concerned.

Bonds and Clemens belong in the Hall, IMO. I don't think it is even close. Rose, too. (Shoeless Joe, as well.)

But so does Ortiz.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ny-madden-hall-of-fame-20220126-frzjwhxhxjcffpjyu65bm4mlum-story.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 04:00:27 PM
1st ballot HoFer

not many of those

joins the Hall among the elite of the elite

quite an honor for Big Papi.

And, as you know in your heart of hearts, and honor that is undeserved.

David Ortiz is wholly deserving the honor he was bestowed.

I could not be happier in my heart of hearts.

That you mocked him and his fans for close to 20 years and could not understand his prominence, dominance and almost larger than life presence in MLB, speaks to your biases and ignorance. If Ortiz didn't belong in the Hall, almost no one does.

Well maybe except Jamie Moyer.

HEH

That Ortiz joins a relatively small group of 1st ballot entrants to the Hall, recognized by the gate keepers as no-doubters, the best of the best, is wholly deserved.

Ortiz earned the honor.

Your recognition is not required.

And...as always, YOU missed the point.

If he's in, the others were locks.

Hall of Bullshit.

Figured you'd sign off on that.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 26, 2022, 04:02:29 PM
Wondering....

do you think Ortiz was STILL doing steroids his last 4 years, age 37-40?   After being suspected and having to deny it, he STILL proceeded to "cheat"?

What difference does it make? We know he cheated, and it's documented. Bonds and Clemens never failed a test, but they aren't going to get in, and Ortiz is.

No, we don't know Ortiz cheated and no matter how often you repeat it, we still won't.

We know his name was on a list and that not everybody on the list was guilty.

Barry Bonds did test positive, but prior to MLB's testing program.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112982

As for Clemens, "We had DNA evidence in the Clemens case, with Clemens' DNA and an anabolic steroid within a needle that was used to inject him," said Novitzky.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianred/2020/12/03/former-feds-say-barry-bonds-and-roger-clemens-steroid-evidence-indisputable

Ortiz? He, too, was tested prior to the MLB testing program. But there is a difference between his situation and Bond's. Bond's material was seized directly from Balco. the list Oeriz was listed on is no such proof:
Quote
However, Ortiz was exonerated in 2016 by Manfred, who said: "Even if your name was on that list (of 104) it's entirely possible that you were not a positive," adding that he felt it would be unfair for Hall-of-Fame voters to use that positive test against Ortiz.

Whether you are disingenuous or simply forgetful, the cases against Clemens and Bonds are far stronger than the case against Ortiz as far as steroids are concerned.

Bonds and Clemens belong in the Hall, IMO. I don't think it is even close. Rose, too. (Shoeless Joe, as well.)

But so does Ortiz.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ny-madden-hall-of-fame-20220126-frzjwhxhxjcffpjyu65bm4mlum-story.html

If they're not in, he shouldn't be.

That's how many baseball fans and some players feel.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 26, 2022, 04:07:42 PM
Wondering....

do you think Ortiz was STILL doing steroids his last 4 years, age 37-40?   After being suspected and having to deny it, he STILL proceeded to "cheat"?

What difference does it make? We know he cheated, and it's documented. Bonds and Clemens never failed a test, but they aren't going to get in, and Ortiz is.

No, we don't know Ortiz cheated and no matter how often you repeat it, we still won't.

We know his name was on a list and that not everybody on the list was guilty.

Barry Bonds did test positive, but prior to MLB's testing program.
https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=3112982

As for Clemens, "We had DNA evidence in the Clemens case, with Clemens' DNA and an anabolic steroid within a needle that was used to inject him," said Novitzky.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christianred/2020/12/03/former-feds-say-barry-bonds-and-roger-clemens-steroid-evidence-indisputable

Ortiz? He, too, was tested prior to the MLB testing program. But there is a difference between his situation and Bond's. Bond's material was seized directly from Balco. the list Oeriz was listed on is no such proof:
Quote
However, Ortiz was exonerated in 2016 by Manfred, who said: "Even if your name was on that list (of 104) it's entirely possible that you were not a positive," adding that he felt it would be unfair for Hall-of-Fame voters to use that positive test against Ortiz.

Whether you are disingenuous or simply forgetful, the cases against Clemens and Bonds are far stronger than the case against Ortiz as far as steroids are concerned.

Bonds and Clemens belong in the Hall, IMO. I don't think it is even close. Rose, too. (Shoeless Joe, as well.)

But so does Ortiz.
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/ny-madden-hall-of-fame-20220126-frzjwhxhxjcffpjyu65bm4mlum-story.html

If they're not in, he shouldn't be.

That's how many baseball fans and some players feel.

Yup.

Fans still don't get to vote on the HoF membership.

And given who they have selected for their All Star teams far too often, I think that may be a good thing.

Doesn't mean I think the Baseball Writers do a good job.

To me, for all that I understand the relativist argument of "If so-and-so got in, then my fave should, too!" I guess I think we have to take each vote on its own. "Do I think X is worthy? Do I think Y is worthy?" The limited number of votes makes it tough. So, too, the length of time on the ballot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on January 26, 2022, 06:09:38 PM
1st ballot HoFer

not many of those

joins the Hall among the elite of the elite

quite an honor for Big Papi.

And, as you know in your heart of hearts, and honor that is undeserved.

David Ortiz is wholly deserving the honor he was bestowed.

I could not be happier in my heart of hearts.

That you mocked him and his fans for close to 20 years and could not understand his prominence, dominance and almost larger than life presence in MLB, speaks to your biases and ignorance. If Ortiz didn't belong in the Hall, almost no one does.

Well maybe except Jamie Moyer.

HEH

That Ortiz joins a relatively small group of 1st ballot entrants to the Hall, recognized by the gate keepers as no-doubters, the best of the best, is wholly deserved.

Ortiz earned the honor.

Your recognition is not required.

And...as always, YOU missed the point.

If he's in, the others were locks.

Hall of Bullshit.

Figured you'd sign off on that.

Wrong again hammy.

The only point I addressed, was your point that Ortiz was not deserving of the honor.

His on-field body of work was recognized by the BBWAA as deserving of the honor, as many here have argued for years.

Whether Clemens or Bonds or Arod are deserving of the honor has nothing to do with Ortiz's body of work.

Its a bullshit argument.

Because X didn't get in you can't elect Y?

It doesn't work that way.

And it was wholly repudiated by the voters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 26, 2022, 06:32:06 PM
I suppose you think it was just the change in ball parks that had Ortiz going from 11.6 homer average in 5 seasons in Minnesota to 41.6 homer average in first 5 seasons in Boston.


Stoppppp...

If you listen to the man himself - and if you know anything at all about baseball training and the development of competitive greatness, you would know it was not just medicinal help with Ortiz.


And....

if you really have to use numbers, try per 162 games at least if not per 500 plate appearances.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2022, 12:30:43 AM
https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/91442256?fbclid=IwAR1Iou6Nbz9lIjH5hXP94DO-G0e2jhoux08QwnIGZZMhrpQXG4cSH8NeTi0
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 27, 2022, 09:41:52 AM
Tainted. Like both the Sox and Astros championships.

And if Rob Manfred is your moral arbiter, you've got no case at all.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 27, 2022, 10:07:44 AM
If you listen to the man himself - and if you know anything at all about baseball training and the development of competitive greatness, you would know it was not just medicinal help with Ortiz
So you are saying he also corked his bats?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 27, 2022, 10:19:35 AM
I suppose you think it was just the change in ball parks that had Ortiz going from 11.6 homer average in 5 seasons in Minnesota to 41.6 homer average in first 5 seasons in Boston.


Stoppppp...

If you listen to the man himself - and if you know anything at all about baseball training and the development of competitive greatness, you would know it was not just medicinal help with Ortiz.


And....

if you really have to use numbers, try per 162 games at least if not per 500 plate appearances.
Ortiz had roughly the same number of games and at bats in his last season with the Twins as he did in his first season with Boston - 3 fewer games, about 40 fewer plate appearances - and had 50% more home runs and a .092 jump in slugging and an over .100 jump in OPS. He would also not be the first person to hit his stride at 27.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 27, 2022, 10:22:55 AM
I would never say that anyone doesn't "cork".  How would we know?

My statement to Hamilton has to do with Ortiz's age 37-40 numbers.   Does Hamilton - and do you - really think after all the hulabaloo over his "bad test" in 2003 that Papi would continue using steroids or whatever he tested positive for ....(assuming he even did the first time) - or doesnt it make sense that later in his career, especially given all the times he was being tested (an insane amount), that Ortiz was 100 per cent clean?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 27, 2022, 12:26:29 PM
And if Rob Manfred is your moral arbiter, you've got no case at all.

Not a matter of morality.

If not everybody on the list was guilty, but we don't know which are which, then there is reasonable doubt about Ortiz, whereas there is no such doubt with Clemens or Bonds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 27, 2022, 03:54:40 PM
He is the only shortstop in the history of the game to reach at least 200 HRs and 400 SBs. He also finished with 33 more homers and 91 more stolen bases than Hall of Fame shortstop Barry Larkin (and he won more Gold Gloves, too).


Name him.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 27, 2022, 04:00:17 PM
He is the only shortstop in the history of the game to reach at least 200 HRs and 400 SBs. He also finished with 33 more homers and 91 more stolen bases than Hall of Fame shortstop Barry Larkin (and he won more Gold Gloves, too).


Name him.

I have no idea on the stats, but since you are asking it has to be Rollins.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 28, 2022, 10:00:35 AM
Rollins was better than Larkin?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on January 28, 2022, 11:47:54 AM
Rollins was better than Larkin?

Yes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 29, 2022, 01:03:36 PM

.295/.815

vs

.264/.743
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on January 30, 2022, 06:32:33 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-mlbpa-cba-talks-progressing

We can only hope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 02, 2022, 10:16:25 AM
I think that eqoxaladalovo represents the fans who support PED use. Likely this poster would support Ortiz, A-Rod, Bonds, Clemens, Piazza and others PED users being in the HOF. It is a steroid, after all.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 05, 2022, 08:30:29 AM
Not sure why Barry Bonds keeps posting here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2022, 10:20:18 AM
Ham -

Can you give me a projected Phils lineup, rotation, etc  for this season?

Maybe we can all submit ours (I will do Mets) and create some conversation.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 08, 2022, 01:03:22 PM
Ham -

Can you give me a projected Phils lineup, rotation, etc  for this season?

Maybe we can all submit ours (I will do Mets) and create some conversation.

When do you expect the season to start?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 08, 2022, 09:44:48 PM
April 15th the  latest
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 08, 2022, 10:37:31 PM
April 15th the  latest

If they are going by May 1 I will be grateful and surprised.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 08, 2022, 10:41:59 PM
April 15th the  latest

Seemed worth a poll.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2022, 01:26:46 PM
Ham -

Can you give me a projected Phils lineup, rotation, etc  for this season?

Maybe we can all submit ours (I will do Mets) and create some conversation.

nope.

I can't.

The DL in the NL will change everything, and the team isn't done making deals.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 09, 2022, 02:10:57 PM
I am reasonably of, with all healthy, and barring trades:

Bieber
Civale
Quantrill
Plesac
McKenzie

As our starters.

Clase
Gone
Hentges
Karinchak

In the pen, and this much of our batting order:

1. Myles Straw CF
2. Amed Rosario SS (Most likely,  there is some position flexibility with him)
3. Jose Ramirez 3b
4. Franmil Reyes DH

Every other position is up in the air, even with what we currently have.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 09, 2022, 02:22:08 PM
I caught changing Plesac to Please,.Quantrill to Quantity and Franmil to Francis, but missed Gose to Gone.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 09, 2022, 09:06:49 PM
https://abc7news.com/jeremy-giambi-death-oakland-as-athletics/11550008/ (https://abc7news.com/jeremy-giambi-death-oakland-as-athletics/11550008/)


Not vaxxed?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 11, 2022, 05:45:22 PM
Worse than we thought.

Popped his own cork.

With a gun.

 

https://nypost.com/2022/02/11/jeremy-giambi-cause-of-death-found-with-gunshot-wound/ (https://nypost.com/2022/02/11/jeremy-giambi-cause-of-death-found-with-gunshot-wound/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 12, 2022, 11:37:25 AM
Could still be a COVID death
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 12, 2022, 01:40:26 PM
Could still be a COVID death

Asshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 12, 2022, 05:32:06 PM
You don't think COVID has led to any suicides?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 12, 2022, 06:12:58 PM
You don't think COVID has led to any suicides?

Asshole.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 12, 2022, 07:48:36 PM
<click>
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 13, 2022, 02:57:58 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10026836-report-very-little-progress-made-in-mlb-cba-talks-mlbpa-unimpressed-by-proposal
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 14, 2022, 11:08:33 AM
The universal DL helps fuel trades this spring.

Discuss.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on February 14, 2022, 01:27:18 PM
15 more teams in on that Harold Baines comeback.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 15, 2022, 08:48:37 AM
Luke Voit expendable.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 16, 2022, 01:59:55 AM
MLB's latest self-promotional piece on how they are making substantive proposals while the Players are not.

https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-new-offer-to-mlbpa-details

I enter this in the same category as "we locked out the players so that we could be sure they would be back on the field on time for the season."

As of yesterday (the 15th) two teams' pitchers and catchers could no longer show up on time, even if the contract were signed today. Nor is it looking good through the rest of the week.

Other takes on the latest from the MLB "negotiating" team:
https://www.bleedcubbieblue.com/2022/2/15/22934161/mlb-attempt-mlbpa-future-contractions-minor-leagues-evil-plan

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/02/mlbs-cba-proposal-included-ability-to-reduce-number-of-available-minor-league-roster-spots.html

As one of the stories notes, the union has turned down such proposals in the past, so it comes as no surprise that they plan to turn it down again.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10027086-mlb-reportedly-asks-mlbpa-for-ability-to-reduce-size-of-domestic-reserve-list

But catch this, from that last link!
https://theathletic.com/3126165/2022/02/11/mlb-argues-for-minor-leaguers-to-remain-unpaid-in-spring-training-citing-life-skills-gained/

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A Major League Baseball lawyer said in federal court Friday that minor league players should not be paid during spring training, because they should be considered trainees. The argument was part of a broader push by MLB to toss an eight-year-old lawsuit brought by Aaron Senne and other minor leaguers over their compensation.

"It is the players that obtain the greater benefit from the training opportunities that they are afforded than the clubs, who actually just incur the cost of having to provide that training," said Elise Bloom of Proskauer Rose, a firm that is also advising MLB in its lockout of major league players. "During the training season, the players are not employees, and would not be subject to either the Fair Labor Standards Act or any state minimum wage act."

I am sure that will go over very well.

I also think that in an age in which both college athletes and grad students are seeing increased rights that this is a stupid position for MLB to take.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 16, 2022, 12:39:25 PM
Another day for you and me in paradise.

MLB says it will take them about 5 days to be ready to start Spring Training once there is an agreement. And both sides say Spring Training needs to run at least 4 weeks for players to be ready for the regular season. This narrows down the time left to come to a deal without delaying the start - set for 3/31. The agreement would have to be in place a week from tomorrow to make that work.

But... does an agreement have to be in place before Spring Training could start?
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-owners-have-the-power-to-end-work-stoppage-and-start-spring-training-but-they-refuse-to-use-it/

Owners individually are saying they still expect the season to start on time:
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/mlb-lockout-braves-ceo-remains-optimistic-that-regular-season-will-start-time/5JW6GSGP5NDJTGCIFLXTNRGAXY/

But outside the players and owners, folks looking at it don't see a rapid resolution. I can't blame them.

OTOH, the chance that I will go see the Fisher Cats or the WooSox or the Spinners are decidedly increasing.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 16, 2022, 09:24:45 PM
Red Sox FB ad about an offer for the April 5 game:
(https://scontent-bos3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t45.1600-4/cp0/q75/spS444/p526x296/273057471_6264297553733_3535801703633199212_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=68ce8d&_nc_ohc=0JMH1ZvdB8oAX9sO1T2&tn=aQaxeqK0Pwd0simd&_nc_ht=scontent-bos3-1.xx&oh=00_AT8TtDDhesgCCZvq2Ptlh_ohbZICaZIhURXc35CD2yhxxg&oe=621296A6)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 17, 2022, 02:15:29 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-lockout-theres-no-way-to-force-team-owners-to-put-wins-over-dollars-015040077.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 17, 2022, 08:50:43 PM
Well...

I was wrong about the thirty minute meeting

It was FIFTEEN minutes
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 18, 2022, 04:33:26 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10027416-mlb-postpones-spring-training-games-through-march-5-amid-cba-lockout-negotiations

Not good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 18, 2022, 04:38:30 PM
Also of interest, from yesterday:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10027312-aaron-judge-discusses-yankees-contract-talks-potential-exit-from-new-york
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 25, 2022, 12:17:13 AM
https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/02/25/mlbpa-mlb-lockout-proposal-feb-28-deadline

No good news.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 25, 2022, 11:20:27 PM
Poor owners?

Uh, no!

https://www.cubsinsider.com/2022/02/25/huh-looks-like-owning-an-mlb-team-is-profitable-after-all/ (https://www.cubsinsider.com/2022/02/25/huh-looks-like-owning-an-mlb-team-is-profitable-after-all/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 26, 2022, 08:39:12 AM
The profit is always going to be in the team's value.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 26, 2022, 01:16:19 PM
The profit is always going to be in the team's value.

What does that mean?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 27, 2022, 12:15:37 AM
https://www.si.com/mlb/2022/02/27/mlb-lockout-friction-grows-step-backward

The MLB and the MLBPA cannot even agree that Monday represents a hard deadline. The owners assert that if there is no agreement by Monday, then Opening Day will be delayed.

The players believe this is an arbitrary deadline and therefore negotiable.

The owners are right so long as they say they are right and there is no evidence that they will admit it is arbitrary just as they won't admit that the lockout wasn't necessary and that they could have ended it any time they wished.

The players are dreaming.

The owners are assholes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 27, 2022, 05:55:16 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10028133-report-mlb-cba-agreement-within-striking-distance-luxury-tax-a-sticking-point

Note that the headline probably overstates how close things are and possibly grossly so.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 27, 2022, 10:07:49 PM
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/02/owners-players-meet-for-extended-negotiating-session-more-talks-planned-for-monday.html


The Athletics Ken Rosenthal has some details on the MLBPAs offer for a new playoff format, which includes an increase in the number of postseason teams from 10 to 12.  The owners have been pushing for a 14 team postseason, though in both 12 team and 14 team scenarios, the unions offer includes the concept of a  ghost win in the first playoff round as a reward to teams who win their division.  For example, a division winning team would only have to win one of the first two games of a first round series in order to advance, while the wild card opponent would have to win both contests.

In short, the idea would to incentivize winning a division title, which would theoretically entice teams to spend more on player salaries in order to be more competitive.  The MLBPA has seen the concept of a larger playoff field as a possible drag on spending, as teams have less urgency or a bigger margin for error in reaching the postseason.  The leagues 14  team offer did propose awarding a first round bye to the teams with the best records in the AL and NL, and the other four division winners would have the benefits of both hosting the entire wild card series in their home ballpark, and also choosing which of the wild card teams theyd want to play.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 28, 2022, 11:53:34 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/02/27/red-sox-release-brett-netzer-after-hateful-tweets-i-am-a-racist/

Surprised Boston did not try to trade him to Philly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 28, 2022, 08:57:08 PM
The profit is always going to be in the team's value.

What does that mean?

It means kid doesn't know what he's talking about.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 28, 2022, 09:14:15 PM
Pretty simple.  Not surprised you do not understand - valuation of the franchise is the key over operating revenue.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 28, 2022, 09:15:28 PM
I am sure Jeter's 4 per cent cash out was profitable for his investment.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on February 28, 2022, 09:42:15 PM
Pretty simple.  Not surprised you do not understand - valuation of the franchise is the key over operating revenue.

Value of the Franchise is mostly only in play for selling it.

Got numbers to support your position for the others?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 28, 2022, 10:46:45 PM
Pretty simple.  Not surprised you do not understand - valuation of the franchise is the key over operating revenue.

Pretty sure you didnt read the article I posted.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 28, 2022, 11:21:54 PM


pretty sure you are right
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 01:43:29 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33399837/sources-mlbpa-rejects-mlb-final-proposal-no-cba-deal-deadline

First two series of games are cancelled, now. MLB says they have made their "final offer," which is always a mature approach to negotiations.

Quote
Manfred said the league and union have not made plans for future negotiations and that players won't be paid for missed games.

"My deepest hope is we get an agreement quickly," Manfred said. "I'm really disappointed we didn't make an agreement."

Pretty hard to get to an agreement quickly when there are no plans to resume negotiations and one side has said they are done negotiating.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 02, 2022, 08:07:06 AM
Josh would be better served to actually hear the entire Manfred statement before commenting.

Like the part about not ever having a "take it or leave it" stance.

There has been no indication that talks will not continue.  Just likely at least a day break since the players flew out of town.

Still optimistic but sucks to not have a 162.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 02, 2022, 11:24:40 AM
Josh would be better served to actually hear the entire Manfred statement before commenting.

Like the part about not ever having a "take it or leave it" stance.

There has been no indication that talks will not continue.  Just likely at least a day break since the players flew out of town.

Still optimistic but sucks to not have a 162.

Kid, I heard his claim not to have a take it or leave it stance.

All that means is that he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

"Just likely at least a day break..."

Kid, taking a break would not preclude their having scheduled a next session. They hadn't as of that post.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 02, 2022, 02:30:14 PM
Right

Takes 2 to tango

I think T Clark stews...takes the approach at least for now  that the union must come with yet another offer.

And no.  Of course nobody is getting paid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 03, 2022, 01:17:16 PM
BORAS!!!!

The fucker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUSY-hLjzBM
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 04, 2022, 12:46:37 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-angels-d-backs-reds-tigers-owners-voted-against-leagues-latest-cba-proposal-per-report/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 05, 2022, 02:27:55 AM
https://www.instagram.com/p/CanCSEvu6N0

Heyward accuses MLB Manfred et al of always planning to ditch games.

What he says makes sense.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 09, 2022, 02:25:25 PM
Looks like the two sides are getting close, though the issue of international draft sounds like a potentially major stumbling block - players are opposed.

Also, the owners on one hand are threatening to cancel the 2nd week of games and on the other hand holding out the potential for restoring the already dropped games.

Plus the owners matched the union's $1 million fund for Spring Training workers hurt by the delayed ST and have said they will put in place another fund for regular season workers who are hurt by game cancellations.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 09, 2022, 11:57:18 PM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33464040/major-league-baseball-cancels-second-week-season-discussions-fail-produce-cba

Manfred yanked two more series of games off the schedule. The owners have established a new "you must do this or we won't negotiate on anything else.' And the players are not amused.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2022, 11:43:11 AM
"Manfred yanked two more series of games off the schedule. The owners have established a new "you must do this or we won't negotiate on anything else.' And the players are not amused."


Thats wht you said last time - before I told you that talks would surely resume.


Heh

But stick to your guns,  union guy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 01:17:50 PM
"Manfred yanked two more series of games off the schedule. The owners have established a new "you must do this or we won't negotiate on anything else.' And the players are not amused."


Thats wht you said last time - before I told you that talks would surely resume.


Heh

But stick to your guns,  union guy.

/shrugs/

That's what they said last time.

And here we are a week later and fewer games in the regular season.

Do remember that you were the one who expected the season to start on time.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 01:20:59 PM
April 15th the  latest

I stand corrected.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 05:12:52 PM
April 15th the  latest

I stand corrected.

And corrected further.

Not starting on time, but starting April 7th. This of course means the "must have four weeks of spring training" crap got tossed onto the scrap heap where it belonged.

And 162 games in the season.

Sorry to hear about ads on uniforms and batting helmets. And bigger bases will be weird.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33399466/mlb-mlbpa-reach-labor-agreement-everything-need-know-lockout-ends
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 10, 2022, 05:13:18 PM
I think the banning of shifts is stupid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 10, 2022, 08:48:18 PM
April...


SEVENTH!



Let's fuckin go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 11, 2022, 11:46:25 AM
Phillies opening day is...April 8, 3:05pm start against the A's. DH's for both teams, bigger bases, and restrictions on how to employ the defense.

What would Connie Mack say?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 11, 2022, 02:48:11 PM
That's next year, Pops.

No shift restrictions for '22.  And same bases.  But you do get you DH.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 12, 2022, 08:50:06 AM
Phillies opening day is...April 8, 3:05pm start against the A's. DH's for both teams, bigger bases, and restrictions on how to employ the defense.

What would Connie Mack say?
"Please, someone, let me out of this coffin!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 12, 2022, 10:16:05 AM
Good summary of the CBA rule changes, play-off format, and take a look at the difference those bases will make!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/03/11/new-mlb-rules/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/03/11/new-mlb-rules/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 13, 2022, 02:15:57 PM
FAMILIA to Phils

Joke's on you, Ham.

(Mets get Ottavino in his stead)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 13, 2022, 11:31:56 PM
Gary Sanchez is gone from the Bronx:

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/yankees-acquire-josh-donaldson-isiah-kiner-falefa-from-twins-for-gary-sanchez-gio-urshela.html (https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/03/yankees-acquire-josh-donaldson-isiah-kiner-falefa-from-twins-for-gary-sanchez-gio-urshela.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 14, 2022, 08:13:25 AM
Do Yanks now add Contreras?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 14, 2022, 02:12:16 PM
Beane strikes again

Matt Olson to BRAVES
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 14, 2022, 05:29:27 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/jake-diekman-matt-strahm-red-sox

Not earthshaking news, but a step up from some of last year's pitcher signings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 14, 2022, 06:13:44 PM
Mets spending more money than anyone, and they look like the paper team to win it all. Everything is going great guns for the NYMets. Which, by Mets' rules, means something bad has to happen.

Here is the first bad omen of the year: https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-star-pete-alonso-thankful-to-be-alive-after-his-car-flipped-3-times-in-crash-165441559.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/mets-star-pete-alonso-thankful-to-be-alive-after-his-car-flipped-3-times-in-crash-165441559.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 14, 2022, 10:11:03 PM
Freeman out in ATL.

Olson in.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 15, 2022, 12:49:41 PM
https://theathletic.com/3183373/2022/03/14/mlb-players-union-discussing-restoring-extra-inning-ghost-runner-rule

Fan support for the idea is weak, but player support is high - though pitchers don't want the ghost runner to show up as a run they allowed, even as an unearned run.

Also, there is a question about in which inning it should start, with discussion of the 11th or even the 12th, rather than immediately in the 10th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 15, 2022, 08:44:37 PM
The Rockies, five years ago yesterday.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C65T-NPV0AEktLG?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 16, 2022, 01:20:47 AM
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33514575/judge-rules-major-league-baseball-violated-wage-law-minor-leaguers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 17, 2022, 07:51:55 AM
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2317601/baseballs-new-cba-is-already-failing-the-spirit-of-competition (https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2317601/baseballs-new-cba-is-already-failing-the-spirit-of-competition)

The CBA didn't fix a major problem. Teams like the Reds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 17, 2022, 07:55:22 AM
Kyle Schwarber comes to Philly: https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-deal-with-phillies (https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-deal-with-phillies)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 17, 2022, 08:23:10 AM
Freeman isn't free: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33523386/freddie-freeman-reaches-agreement-los-angeles-dodgers-six-year-162-million-deal-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33523386/freddie-freeman-reaches-agreement-los-angeles-dodgers-six-year-162-million-deal-sources-say)

6 years, 162 million for the LAD
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 17, 2022, 08:24:30 AM
Bryant to the Rockies, seven-year, $182 million: https://www.mlb.com/news/kris-bryant-rockies-deal (https://www.mlb.com/news/kris-bryant-rockies-deal)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2022, 10:03:28 AM
https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2317601/baseballs-new-cba-is-already-failing-the-spirit-of-competition (https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2317601/baseballs-new-cba-is-already-failing-the-spirit-of-competition)

The CBA didn't fix a major problem. Teams like the Reds.

I love what the Reds have done.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 17, 2022, 10:45:02 AM
Kyle Schwarber comes to Philly: https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-deal-with-phillies (https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-deal-with-phillies)

Not sure why - jusst don't see him buddying with Bryce. 

Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 17, 2022, 12:49:38 PM
Kyle Schwarber comes to Philly: https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-deal-with-phillies (https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-schwarber-deal-with-phillies)

Congratulations to the Phillies and too bad for the Red Sox. He was damned good here.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 18, 2022, 01:38:22 PM
Time for Nick in the nick of time?

https://www.mlb.com/news/nick-castellanos-drawing-interest-from-phillies (https://www.mlb.com/news/nick-castellanos-drawing-interest-from-phillies)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 18, 2022, 01:41:11 PM
Luke Voit let out of the Bronx, heads to San Diego.

https://www.mlb.com/news/luke-voit-traded-to-padres (https://www.mlb.com/news/luke-voit-traded-to-padres)

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 18, 2022, 01:51:52 PM
Ahhh,...thought it would be A's
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 19, 2022, 12:26:18 PM
Correa is a Twin!

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33543369/sources-carlos-correa-minnesota-twins-agree-3-year-1053-million-deal-opt-outs (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33543369/sources-carlos-correa-minnesota-twins-agree-3-year-1053-million-deal-opt-outs)



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 19, 2022, 12:33:22 PM
Bashball in Philly: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33542564/ex-cincinnati-reds-outfielder-nick-castellanos-agrees-join-philadelphia-phillies-sources-say (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33542564/ex-cincinnati-reds-outfielder-nick-castellanos-agrees-join-philadelphia-phillies-sources-say)


 Phillies will try to outhit their defense, which won't be good.

Projected line-up    (Consider switching 1 and 2)               
1   Jean Segura   2B   
2   Kyle Schwarber    DH   
3   Bryce Harper   OF   
4   J.T. Realmuto   C   
5   Nick Castellanos OF   
6   Rhys Hoskins   1B   
7   Didi Gregorius    SS   
8   Alec Bohm          3B   
9   Odubel Herrera OF   


Over the luxury tax threshold and joining the Mets in the NLE as the uber-spenders.

 Good points found here on this move: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/10-thoughts-phillies-signing-nick-castellanos (https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/10-thoughts-phillies-signing-nick-castellanos)

It better work.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 19, 2022, 12:52:57 PM
Correa is a Twin!

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33543369/sources-carlos-correa-minnesota-twins-agree-3-year-1053-million-deal-opt-outs (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33543369/sources-carlos-correa-minnesota-twins-agree-3-year-1053-million-deal-opt-outs)
Where the hell did they get the money?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 19, 2022, 01:25:10 PM
For what it is worth, here is what I think the team that I will not ever, ever, ever never accidentally call the Indians starters will be:

Miles Straw CF
Armed Rosario SS
Jose Ramirez 3b
Franmil Reyes DH
Josh Naylor LF (Could be Oscar Mercado or Steve Kwan if Naylor is still hurt)
Bobby Bradley 1b (Possibly Naylor, with Kwan or Mercado in left)
Gabriel Arias/Andres Gimenez 2b
Bradley Zimmer RF (Or Mercado/Kwan)
Automatic Out Austin Hedges C

That is a competent line up for... maybe the first 5. So we will need pitchers:

Shane Bieber
Aaron Civale
Zach Plesac
Cal Quantr
Tristan McKenzie

And because no one ever has all their pitchers healthy all year, we have Eli Morgan, one or more Logan Allen, and J C Mejia

Bull pen:

Emmanuel Class (Closer)
James Karinchak
Anthony Gose
Trevor Stephanie
Nick Sandlin

So... that is a real strong pitching staff. But with that offense, 3rd place behind Chicago and Minnesota.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 20, 2022, 11:25:07 AM
Pleasant surprise for Boston.  Story joins the fold and will play 2B.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 20, 2022, 05:46:08 PM
Pleasant surprise for Boston.  Story joins the fold and will play 2B.

Cha-ching!

https://sports.yahoo.com/trevor-story-signing-red-sox-192055897.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/trevor-story-signing-red-sox-192055897.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 20, 2022, 06:07:33 PM
Pleasant surprise for Boston.  Story joins the fold and will play 2B.

Very nice news. I do wonder what becomes of Christian Arroyo, but as the article noted he sure didn't end up playing much!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 20, 2022, 06:11:47 PM
https://www.si.com/mlb/phillies/news/report-philadelphia-phillies-sign-free-agent-nick-castellanos-luxury-tax-kyle-schwarber

Yes, $23 million per year is definitely more than $20 million per year or $19.8 million per year, but the Phillies are certainly competitive in the ka-ching game!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 21, 2022, 04:08:09 PM
I do not support the sale of Angel Stadium by the City of Anaheim to Arte Moreno, it belongs to all of the people of Anaheim. In the lawsuit they make it look like it is just the homeless people fighting against the sale of Angel Stadium, but the Stadium is owned by all of the people of Anaheim, including the homeowners and business owners.

NO SALE of Angel Stadium.

I should run for Mayor of Anaheim, I have a friend from Kiwanis who was Mayor Pro Tem of Anaheim on 9/11. At least I am not corrupt like the current batch of politicians in Anaheim. We have a good councilman in my district who attended Harvard, but the Mayor is a real dirt-bag.

Salute,

Tony V.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 02:27:23 PM
As predicted:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10030569-report-shohei-ohtani-rule-among-mlb-changes-implemented-for-2022-season
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on March 23, 2022, 05:42:18 PM
Bernie Sanders is trying to save baseball: https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/3/23/22992836/bernie-sanders-mlb-antitrust-monopoly-explained (https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/3/23/22992836/bernie-sanders-mlb-antitrust-monopoly-explained)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 23, 2022, 06:36:53 PM
Bernie Sanders is trying to save baseball: https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/3/23/22992836/bernie-sanders-mlb-antitrust-monopoly-explained (https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2022/3/23/22992836/bernie-sanders-mlb-antitrust-monopoly-explained)

I like this typo:
"How vial is all this to the future of baseball?"

I thought this meant "vital" but on afterthought realized that "vile" would work just as well.

But how petri dish is it to the future of baseball, anyway?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 24, 2022, 08:58:24 AM
Good looking young lefthaander - wearing #1 for the Padres

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=gore--000mac

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2022-03-23/padres-mackenzie-gore-spring-training-delivery-mechanics-niebla
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 25, 2022, 04:50:42 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/sport/alexis-hopkins-first-female-professional-baseball-spt-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 25, 2022, 06:14:17 PM
Not sure if you heard but the chick Yankee minor league MGR was hit in the face with a struck ball during a  drill

Welcome to baseball, sis.  Watch your head.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on March 29, 2022, 12:59:17 PM
MLB is apparently having its percentage calculations done by hand rather than computer.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 11:16:15 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10031319-brian-cashman-yankees-kept-from-world-series-by-illegal-and-horrific-astros-action

Hey, Brian, that was 2017. There have been four seasons since then. How are the Astros responsible for that? Or for 2010 through 2016?

"Horrific?"

Watched the news lately?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 01:20:49 PM
https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/craig-kimbrel-trade-dodgers-send-aj-pollock-to-chicago-for-all-star-closer/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 03:51:30 PM
Rich Hill did nothing to encourage the Red Sox to put him in the 2022 rotation.

I imagine that means he'll be one of our starters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 01, 2022, 06:14:28 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/jacob-degrom-will-miss-significant-time-with-shoulder-injury/ (https://nypost.com/2022/04/01/jacob-degrom-will-miss-significant-time-with-shoulder-injury/)

Mets cancel their victory parade.

What will Steve Cohen do?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2022, 07:50:32 PM
Looks like Ham favorite Alec Bohm (.136) is losing his job

Worse as a prognosticator than an injury

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 01, 2022, 08:01:46 PM
Rich Hill did nothing to encourage the Red Sox to put him in the 2022 rotation.

I imagine that means he'll be one of our starters.

Cora piggybacking 5 and 6 I hear.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 03, 2022, 10:00:33 PM
City of Anaheim- Municipal Government

2 hours

Welcome back to the Big A!

The 2022 baseball season in Anaheim (unofficially) starts Sunday as it always does with a preseason matchup against freeway rivals the Los Angeles Dodgers.

Tonight's game is the first for the Angels back at the Big A after a shortened spring training in Tempe, Ariz.

Games two and three of the preseason freeway series take place at Dodger Stadium on Monday and Tuesday.

Then the Halos are back for the official home opener on Thursday versus division rivals the Houston Astros, the first of a four-game series through Sunday.

The homestand continues on April 11 and 12 against the Florida Marlins before a mid-April road trip to Texas.

Then the Angels are back home in late April, including for a four-game series against the newest name in baseball, the Cleveland Guardians, formerly the Indians.

With the return of Mike Trout, the debut of Noah Syndergaard and Shohei Ohtani picking up where he left off, Angel hopes are high for 2022.

----

And the people of the City of Anaheim own Angel Stadium, it is owned by the people.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 04, 2022, 01:16:52 PM
Interesting interview with Carlos Beltran - it made the news all over. This is one of the stories discussing the interview.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/carlos-beltran-opens-up-about-astros-sign-stealing-scandal-says-title-is-stained-we-did-cross-the-line/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 06, 2022, 01:36:09 PM
Shocked. Seriously.

https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cleveland.com%2Fguardians%2F2022%2F04%2Framirez-sticking-with-guardians-paul-dolan-steps-up-jose-loves-cleveland-terry-pluto.html&h=AT3JoyVGlILaE1jAQ7ywcxm_JKJfVXCwyu4FNcd7yIJ2XQ52EP_A9WpFduHaBJ8tltWEXPWazEgJQXkR5TEpL3Ljgg6GoJbHalqMvj7TP2zPIaOS0l4K5Os-1xfywrY2PGnmVhoPcTWXb08juARK
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 06, 2022, 09:48:29 PM
https://www.cleveland.com/guardians/2022/04/cleveland-guardians-reach-150-million-extension-with-jose-ramirez.html

This has less opinion, but also no paywall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on April 07, 2022, 08:57:15 PM
The Royals beat some team named the Guardians. What the heck are the Guardians
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 10:18:19 PM
Not  really the big story there, Bosoxer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 07, 2022, 10:24:34 PM
Not  really the big story there, Bosoxer.

The arbiter of what is a "big story" has spoken.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 07, 2022, 10:37:46 PM
Yep

Pretty good rookie debut in that one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 08, 2022, 08:27:02 AM
Not  really the big story there, Bosoxer.

You're quite the Witt...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 08, 2022, 02:10:22 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/aaron-judge-doesn-t-sign-extension-with-yankees

The offer of $30.5 million per year seemed conservative - but given that in arbitration for 2022's salary they offered Judge $17 million, it is hardly surprising that he thinks their offer is lowballing him.

I look forward to his free agency. Should be fascinating to read about.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 09, 2022, 04:52:42 PM
Yesterday's RS game felt like a squander.

Today's game so far simply makes me want to tell the closed captioning typist, "His name is Eck, not Nick!"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 09, 2022, 06:22:58 PM
Yesterday's RS game felt like a squander.

Today's game so far simply makes me want to tell the closed captioning typist, "His name is Eck, not Nick!"

They've corrected his name to Dennis. Better than Nick, not as good as Eck.

But our left fielder just made the last out of an inning. His name? Vertigo.

Spring training was too short for the closed captioning folks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 10, 2022, 07:53:11 AM
Guardians are averaging 5 rums a game! This year is going to be... wait, I think I am missing a decimal point....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2022, 11:37:38 AM
Guardians are averaging 5 rums a game! This year is going to be... wait, I think I am missing a decimal point....

You've had quite enough rums.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 10, 2022, 10:57:04 PM
Dramatic ending to tonight's game between the Red Sox and Yankees.

Nicely done by Diekman. And very nice to walk out with a win after the last two games in which we had leads and lost them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 09:06:55 AM
Season saved.

(I agree - Diekman looked excellent)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 11, 2022, 11:24:22 AM
Steve Kwan is hitting .800 with a 1.857 OPS. If he keeps that up all year, I predict he will be the AL Rookie of the Year!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2022, 01:05:20 PM
Steve Kwan is hitting .800 with a 1.857 OPS. If he keeps that up all year, I predict he will be the AL Rookie of the Year!

Or even if he only does half as well!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 11, 2022, 01:24:26 PM
Steve Kwan is hitting .800 with a 1.857 OPS. If he keeps that up all year, I predict he will be the AL Rookie of the Year!

Or even if he only does half as well!
Out source formatting to Red, did you?

Kwan is most likely a slightly shorter Brett Gardner, max. But as Peter Brand would note, his biggest tool has been, he gets on base.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 02:01:53 PM
"Jerry - YOU are my kwan"

.469 this spring
.328 at 2 levels last year

I am a believer

Passes my runs produced (R + RBI - HR) test - 215 in 217 minor league games



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 11, 2022, 02:33:12 PM
"Jerry - YOU are my kwan"

.469 this spring
.328 at 2 levels last year

I am a believer

Passes my runs produced (R + RBI - HR) test - 215 in 217 minor league games
The biggest fear with Kwan, organizationally,  is that his lack of extra base power may make pitchers pound the strike zone rather than locate in the zone, and will result in fewer walks. He has a real good eye for the strike zone. I like him. With him and Straw, that gives us a good 2/3 of a defensive outfield, although not a lot of pop. Maybe can get away with Naylor or even Reyes out there. There is talk of moving Rosario out there full time, but that is a 25 home run outfield, total.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 03:17:35 PM
I wouldlike to think Kwan is getting stronger at 24

X base hit rates:

Freshman -  4/14  (xbh/h)
Freshman summer -  0/8
Sophomore -   8/53
Sophomore summer (Cape Cod) -  4/31
Junior  -  16/91
Same year (pro)  -  4/18
Age 21  -    36/134
Age 22 -     DNP
Age 23   -   31/97
Age 24   -     current     spring and first 3 games -    4/23


https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=kwan--000ste
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 03:20:04 PM
Anyway - thank for alerting me to this guy.  I had never heard of him.  I guess he played with Madrigal (more heralded, now with Cubs) at OSU.  I think they won a national title.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 11, 2022, 03:30:20 PM
Parlay tonight -

TIGERS, TWINS
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 11, 2022, 04:48:05 PM
Steve Kwan is hitting .800 with a 1.857 OPS. If he keeps that up all year, I predict he will be the AL Rookie of the Year!

Or even if he only does half as well!
Out source formatting to Red, did you?

Kwan is most likely a slightly shorter Brett Gardner, max. But as Peter Brand would note, his biggest tool has been, he gets on base.

Nice edit! Thought nobody would notice?!

Oh, wait - I did the editing.

No, the formatting is my own mistake. For some reason when I go to reply it lops off that last close-quote bracket. Usually I catch it before leaving the post up. This time I did not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 11, 2022, 06:31:44 PM
Anyway - thank for alerting me to this guy.  I had never heard of him.  I guess he played with Madrigal (more heralded, now with Cubs) at OSU.  I think they won a national title.
The legend continues. Kwan is the first player ever to reach base at least.three times in each of his first four games - two walks and a triple.

Ruts human was on that Beaver National Championship squad also.

Rutschman.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 12, 2022, 09:32:50 PM
Nice game this afternoon for the Red Sox.

Got some hits, let alone timely ones! Whitlock looked sharp in his 4 innings. Hill looked as if he might not be a disaster, for all that 3 runs yielded for 4 innings pitched is sub-optimal.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 13, 2022, 11:51:00 AM
KWAN is causing a ruccous on FaceBook fantasy baseball pages - as sharks warning newbies not to be so gung ho on the kid.  I disagree.  Liking Kwan for long term.  He's Nimmo-like - and sure to stay healthier.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 13, 2022, 03:17:00 PM
There is no joy in Mudville
Steven Kwan has struck out.

For the first time this year. He also had his first swing and miss.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 04:02:46 PM
Today in closed captioning:

"When is the next sacrificed fund, do you think?"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 04:03:10 PM
There is no joy in Mudville
Steven Kwan has struck out.

For the first time this year. He also had his first swing and miss.

That he went this long is just stunning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 13, 2022, 04:59:49 PM
This is not the game I thought I was watching.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 13, 2022, 07:37:01 PM
There is no joy in Mudville
Steven Kwan has struck out.

For the first time this year. He also had his first swing and miss.

That he went this long is just stunning.
Best start for a Cleveland rookie since Gomer Hodges batted 4000.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 14, 2022, 10:41:57 AM
Who is Triston McKenzie and why should I care?   (just took over a dead team, making cuts/saves).

 Thanks.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 14, 2022, 10:50:56 AM
Who is Triston McKenzie and why should I care?   (just took over a dead team, making cuts/saves).

 Thanks.
Best arm among the G starters. Has control issues. Worth a flyer due to his upside. I am holding him for now.

Speaking of dead.teams, you doing GG&HF?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 14, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
I dont think it got up and running  this year .  Figured 20 years was a good run - glad we got that far - maybe I missed an invite - havent checked yahoo mail in a while - but likely it just fizzled out.    You hadnt heard anything right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 14, 2022, 11:41:29 AM
I dont think it got up and running  this year .  Figured 20 years was a good run - glad we got that far - maybe I missed an invite - havent checked yahoo mail in a while - but likely it just fizzled out.    You hadnt heard anything right?
it is up and running and you auto drafted a team. There may be three or four dead teams, though.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 14, 2022, 07:27:34 PM
ok, thanks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 15, 2022, 06:39:58 PM
Not the bright beginning to the homestand that we might have hoped for.

Great start for the Twins' pitcher.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 16, 2022, 09:41:26 PM

#42

https://twitter.com/jemelehill/status/1515060341280976897?s=21
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 17, 2022, 09:36:28 AM
Jemelle Hill?

Ha!

Pass.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: LarryBnDC on April 17, 2022, 05:18:33 PM
Jemelle Hill?

Ha!

Pass.

Above your reading level...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 17, 2022, 05:20:16 PM
Yesterday's game and today's are more what this Red Sox fan had in mind.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 18, 2022, 11:13:07 AM
In their entire fabled history, the Cleveland Guardians have never lost a game when they have scored more than two runs. True fact.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 18, 2022, 12:18:30 PM
In their entire fabled history, the Cleveland Guardians have never lost a game when they have scored more than two runs. True fact.

Why did you use the redundant term 'true fact"? It implies that there are "false facts".

Wait...it's probably because you have trouble believing what the Guardians have accomplished?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 18, 2022, 01:49:27 PM
Not a good look for Kutter Crawford, I am afraid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 20, 2022, 12:02:08 AM
A tight and satisfying game.

Nice win by the Red Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 20, 2022, 05:24:43 PM
In the five games the Guardians have won they have averaged 11 runs. In the five they have lost, 1.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 20, 2022, 07:07:20 PM
The Jerry Remy memorial tonight was a tear-jerker.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2022, 01:16:10 AM
The Jerry Remy memorial tonight was a tear-jerker.

The game that followed was, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 21, 2022, 01:16:31 AM
https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/if-bostonians-loved-other-local-institutions-the-way-they-love-their-local-sports-franchises
Title: Cora tests positive, won't travel to Toronto
Post by: josh on April 22, 2022, 10:23:04 AM
https://www.mlb.com/redsox/news/alex-cora-tests-positive-for-covid-19
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 22, 2022, 05:39:53 PM
And Houck is Kyrie

Heh.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2022, 05:56:27 PM
And Houck is Kyrie

Heh.

I think Houck is less vital to the Sox than Irving is to the Nets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 22, 2022, 07:42:59 PM
Still - you need to be equally critical - if being fair

As you were as well with Rodgers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2022, 08:40:17 PM
Still - you need to be equally critical - if being fair

As you were as well with Rodgers

Unlike Rodgers, Houck did nothing to mislead the public about his "immune" status.

If this were nearing playoff time, then I would be closer to as critical of him as I would be of Irving, but neither of them earns the disdain of that great teammate Rodgers at this point in time.

That you refuse to see the difference is pretty much par for the course.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 22, 2022, 08:49:02 PM
Of course I see the difference.

Are you backtracking, saying you would have been OK with AR  and a no-vax had  he been truthful?

And that if Kyrie were a scrubbini that it would be OK, but stars only need the shot?

Catch us up with your thinking if you want ti discuss it.  Much easier if you just criticize Houck, stay consistent.  Isnt Houck a POTENTIAL KILLER like all those that you dislike that arent vaxxed?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 22, 2022, 09:55:52 PM
Of course I see the difference.

Are you backtracking, saying you would have been OK with AR  and a no-vax had  he been truthful?

And that if Kyrie were a scrubbini that it would be OK, but stars only need the shot?

Catch us up with your thinking if you want ti discuss it.  Much easier if you just criticize Houck, stay consistent.  Isnt Houck a POTENTIAL KILLER like all those that you dislike that arent vaxxed?

If AR had been honest, I would have still thought him selfish, as I do Kyrie and Tanner.

If Tanner were doing this last year I would have been angrier about it.

And again, there seems to be a huge difference in the current deadliness than the deadliness with prior situations, but I don't think I complained that Rodgers was a POTENTIAL KILLER.

I am far more angry with Donald Trump for going to a debate while he had COVID than I was with Rodgers, Irving, and Houck combined.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 23, 2022, 10:35:57 PM
Classy NYY fans.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033665-guardians-oscar-mercado-yankees-fans-must-be-held-accountable-after-throwing-cans
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on April 24, 2022, 09:50:18 PM
Like putting lipstick on a pig
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 24, 2022, 10:07:59 PM
Yankees fans appeared to be taunting Kwan as he was being examined by the training staff. Mercado and Myles Straw came to his defense.



So the Guardians started it...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 24, 2022, 11:18:37 PM
Yankees fans appeared to be taunting Kwan as he was being examined by the training staff. Mercado and Myles Straw came to his defense.



So the Guardians started it...

Because it is you, I have no idea if this is your usual poor job of reading or if it is tongue in cheek.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 27, 2022, 01:31:08 AM
The Red Sox have had a lot of exciting games.

More exciting for their opponents than for their fans, but exciting, regardless.

The starting pitching has overall been far better than I expected. The Bullpen is already looking overworked. The hitters look as if they are beginning to wake up, but they will need to be even better if the pitching cannot work itself out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 27, 2022, 06:38:06 PM
Classy NYY fans.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10033665-guardians-oscar-mercado-yankees-fans-must-be-held-accountable-after-throwing-cans

Acting like Celtics fans. Not good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 27, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
A Mets brawl?  That can't be good.



Protect Buck, boys.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 29, 2022, 08:10:38 AM
HBPs high? The ball is the problem. Pitchers can't get a grip.  Like most Mets fans once September rolls around.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2022, 11:07:18 AM
Would love to see the current MLB ball - to compare t the college ball, which is grippable  but fucking loaded.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 29, 2022, 09:29:34 PM
Today's closed captioning winner:

"He hit pretty well for the loose ox."
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 29, 2022, 10:51:30 PM
Red Sox hit their first home run in a week!

Went on to win, but... it's like the umpires are lobbying for electronic balls and strikes!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on April 30, 2022, 11:24:32 PM
The Case of the Disappearing Offence continues, despite a very sharp pitching performance by Eovaldi.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2022, 02:29:20 PM
JUDGE - seventh HR.

22-1 for MVP?  Really?

Love the Royals road unis

https://fanatics.frgimages.com/FFImage/thumb.aspx?i=/productimages/_4391000/altimages/ff_4391519-b515829dd245580cfa22alt1_full.jpg&w=900

 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2022, 11:24:31 PM
I  am sure Josh has a catchy answer for this (with Bank absent)

RED SOX - beautiful move not re-signing Schwarber

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 02, 2022, 04:21:00 AM
I  am sure Josh has a catchy answer for this (with Bank absent)

RED SOX - beautiful move not re-signing Schwarber

heh

Catchy?

More like hitty.

I lamented the failure to resign Schwarber in these pages.

I also lamented the trade of Renfroe for JBJ, commenting that the prospects better be damned good.

And for that matter, I bitched about Cordero for Benintendi and that trade just looks stupider every time Cordero appears, whether at bat or in the field, though I will grant that at 1 hit in 7 at bats, his production dwarfs Travis Shaw's.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 02, 2022, 08:33:40 AM
Mets fans already planning the parade route. Maybe they need reminding that it's May 2.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 02, 2022, 11:40:26 AM
I  am sure Josh has a catchy answer for this (with Bank absent)

RED SOX - beautiful move not re-signing Schwarber

heh

Catchy?

More like hitty.

I lamented the failure to resign Schwarber in these pages.

I also lamented the trade of Renfroe for JBJ, commenting that the prospects better be damned good.

And for that matter, I bitched about Cordero for Benintendi and that trade just looks stupider every time Cordero appears, whether at bat or in the field, though I will grant that at 1 hit in 7 at bats, his production dwarfs Travis Shaw's.

Beni

Royals player of the month for April

Lets go!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 02, 2022, 06:44:01 PM
I  am sure Josh has a catchy answer for this (with Bank absent)

RED SOX - beautiful move not re-signing Schwarber

heh

Catchy?

More like hitty.

I lamented the failure to resign Schwarber in these pages.

I also lamented the trade of Renfroe for JBJ, commenting that the prospects better be damned good.

And for that matter, I bitched about Cordero for Benintendi and that trade just looks stupider every time Cordero appears, whether at bat or in the field, though I will grant that at 1 hit in 7 at bats, his production dwarfs Travis Shaw's.

Beni

Royals player of the month for April

Lets go!!!!

Franchy

AAAA player for the month of April and much of winter ball.

Let him go!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 03, 2022, 08:35:06 AM
Mets fans already planning the parade route. Maybe they need reminding that it's May 2.

Yep

And now no Cano

0-1 without him
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 03, 2022, 08:36:56 AM
I lamented the failure to resign Schwarber in these pages.


Well done

Sometimes we do agree

JD problem I guess - one would need to play outfield
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 03, 2022, 10:37:24 AM
I lamented the failure to resign Schwarber in these pages.


Well done

Sometimes we do agree

JD problem I guess - one would need to play outfield

JD was one problem. Bobby Dalbec was another. Casas was the third.

And Bloom was only going to sign one big contract. If Story turns his season around to produce a storybook ending, that approach will satisfy the readers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2022, 05:38:00 PM
Interesting game tonight as Syndergaard faces Boston.  May check it out on MLB.TV
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 05, 2022, 02:05:28 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/kelsie-whitmore-first-woman-to-pitch-in-atlantic-league

Two-way player Kelsie Whitmore continues to make history. This time she not only pitched, but got the out with bases loaded. Now let's see her get a hit!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 05, 2022, 04:49:46 PM
Another great start followed by poor relief and a clobbered Red Sox, though I suppose it feels slightly different than take a lead, lose the lead, take a lead, lose the lead, take a lead, lose the lead, get bombarded in the 10th inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 05, 2022, 06:24:21 PM
Good numbers for Team USA.  Nice to see her get the out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 06, 2022, 11:10:01 PM
Hey, they didn't get blown out and even had the potential tying run at the plate late.

Progress, right?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 07, 2022, 07:56:24 PM
Another woulda, coulda, shoulda game for the Red Sox.

I wonder if heat will make things better.

Nothing else has...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2022, 09:33:32 AM
Yeah.  Joey's boys really suck right now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 08, 2022, 01:23:38 PM
It's "only" 3-0 so far today.

They knocked out our starter. We knocked out the home plate umpire. I hope Kulpa is okay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 09, 2022, 10:17:07 PM
The Red Sox didn't lose!

And thank the gods for Cincinatti.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 11:09:26 PM
Red Sox with a solid win over the Braves.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 11, 2022, 10:35:32 PM
Red Sox with a solid win over the Braves.

And a walk off loss the next night, with an assist from an egregious strike three call earlier in the evening by an otherwise reasonable ump.

Pretty sure he knew he blew it, given how fast Plawecki got the heave ho.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 17, 2022, 12:01:57 AM
The Red Sox managed to get their win in just before midnight!

They're now out of the cellar. May it last.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 17, 2022, 07:34:54 PM
Here you go, Tony:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10036033-angels-stadium-320m-sale-on-hold-as-fbi-investigates-anaheim-mayor-for-corruption
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 17, 2022, 07:43:37 PM
Red Sox gave up a touchdown almost before the fans were in their seats.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 18, 2022, 12:31:04 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10036087-orioles-matt-harvey-suspended-60-games-for-distributing-prohibited-drug-of-abuse

Only 60 days for distributing prohibited drugs - and he gets to keep doing minor league work? Seems very wrong. And the guilt isn't in doubt.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 18, 2022, 09:02:37 PM
Complete game 2-hitter for Nick P and the Red Sox. All the more startling the day after we got shellacked for 13 runs, including 9 off Eovaldi!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 19, 2022, 08:24:43 AM
Naylor gets fed: https://youtu.be/kxvtYHIVqJ4 (https://youtu.be/kxvtYHIVqJ4)

NSFW.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 19, 2022, 05:51:04 PM
Philly gets Yu'd

Pete eats

Phils drop another game to Mets
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 19, 2022, 07:42:46 PM
Philly gets Yu'd

Pete eats

Phils drop another game to Mets

Phillies got Umped.

Dude lost the K-Zone.

Not worred about the Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 20, 2022, 08:02:59 AM
Of course not. You are vying for the wild card.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 20, 2022, 11:35:02 AM
Philly gets Yu'd

Pete eats

Phils drop another game to Mets

Phillies got Umped.

Dude lost the K-Zone.

Not worred about the Mets.

Funny how you always mock those who complain that the officials cost them the game, but turn to that device whenever it's convenient.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 20, 2022, 03:08:57 PM
Of course not. You are vying for the wild card.

REally? Think the division is won already. Thanks, kid. I'll make a note of it, here on May 20th.

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 20, 2022, 03:10:09 PM
Philly gets Yu'd

Pete eats

Phils drop another game to Mets

Phillies got Umped.

Dude lost the K-Zone.

Not worred about the Mets.

Funny how you always mock those who complain that the officials cost them the game, but turn to that device whenever it's convenient.

Guess you aren't paying attention.

No surprise, there.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 20, 2022, 04:35:33 PM
Philly gets Yu'd

Pete eats

Phils drop another game to Mets

Phillies got Umped.

Dude lost the K-Zone.

Not worred about the Mets.

Funny how you always mock those who complain that the officials cost them the game, but turn to that device whenever it's convenient.

Guess you aren't paying attention.

No surprise, there.

I'm supposed to go hunting for some Phillies game in which you have concluded that at some part of it the Phillies were done in by an unfair umpire who only screwed your team.

You're pretty funny, sometimes, Ham.

But I plead totally guilty of not having seen the incident(s?) to which you refer. You, OTOH, I have paid attention to and I stand by what I said.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 21, 2022, 08:11:54 PM
Good CFB win for the Red Sox. Devers was jealous of Story and had a couple homers of his own.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 22, 2022, 05:11:39 PM
The Sox came from ahead, then came from behind, to win on a walk-off by (the much maligned) Franchy Cordero in the bottom of the 10th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 25, 2022, 01:08:23 AM
Neither coming from ahead nor behind tonight, in the Red Sox' 16-3 drubbing of the White Sox.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 27, 2022, 12:39:32 AM
After scoring 1 run yesterday and losing, today's hitters brought us back to double digits, with 16 more runs. And while our pitching left something to be desired, I'll take it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 27, 2022, 11:17:02 PM
What an awful game after a promising start.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 28, 2022, 02:04:56 PM
Philly gets Yu'd

Pete eats

Phils drop another game to Mets

Phillies got Umped.

Dude lost the K-Zone.

Not worred about the Mets.

Funny how you always mock those who complain that the officials cost them the game, but turn to that device whenever it's convenient.

Guess you aren't paying attention.

No surprise, there.

I'm supposed to go hunting for some Phillies game in which you have concluded that at some part of it the Phillies were done in by an unfair umpire who only screwed your team.

You're pretty funny, sometimes, Ham.

But I plead totally guilty of not having seen the incident(s?) to which you refer. You, OTOH, I have paid attention to and I stand by what I said.

Good you admit to comment out of abject ignorance. Standing by your comments is no surprise as you've been clear about your biases for many years.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on May 28, 2022, 02:12:04 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/mlb-investigating-tommy-pham-slap-of-joc-pederson-over-fantasy-football-flap/ (https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/mlb-investigating-tommy-pham-slap-of-joc-pederson-over-fantasy-football-flap/)

Tommy Pham goes all Will Smith on Joc Pederson. Over fantasy football. You can't make this up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 28, 2022, 06:55:49 PM
Philly gets Yu'd

Pete eats

Phils drop another game to Mets

Phillies got Umped.

Dude lost the K-Zone.

Not worred about the Mets.

Funny how you always mock those who complain that the officials cost them the game, but turn to that device whenever it's convenient.

Guess you aren't paying attention.

No surprise, there.

I'm supposed to go hunting for some Phillies game in which you have concluded that at some part of it the Phillies were done in by an unfair umpire who only screwed your team.

You're pretty funny, sometimes, Ham.

But I plead totally guilty of not having seen the incident(s?) to which you refer. You, OTOH, I have paid attention to and I stand by what I said.

Good you admit to comment out of abject ignorance. Standing by your comments is no surprise as you've been clear about your biases for many years.

Pot, Kettle, Ham.

My comment was about you, not about the incident. And "bias" in this case is another word for informed.

You still haven't shared the incident you complained about. No surprise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 29, 2022, 02:35:17 PM
Nice game last night between the Dodgers and the Diamond Backs, Tony Gonsolin pitched a great game, and Justin Turner had a great night as he got on base at every time at bat.

I wish the Dodgers would broadcast every game on Channel 11, we need to have the Angels on Channel 5, and the Dodgers on Channel 11. It would be great to have local baseball games on the local television channels.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 30, 2022, 07:36:30 PM
Not sure whose night is worse so far (top of the second), Rich Hill's or Kike Hernandez'.

Unimpressive start to this one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 30, 2022, 08:51:19 PM
Not sure whose night is worse so far (top of the second), Rich Hill's or Kike Hernandez'.

Unimpressive start to this one.

Nor did it get better. In the 5th, down 4-0, Cora left Hill in for two more batters, who promptly ended up on 2nd and 3rd.

New pitcher didn't put anybody else on, but did let them in. Down two field goals early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on May 31, 2022, 11:08:52 PM
In exciting news, in the 9th inning tonight, the Red Sox scored a run!

Mighty thumpers!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 03, 2022, 05:31:35 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/sport/joe-girardi-philadelphia-phillies-manager-fired/index.html

Goodbye, Joe Girardi.

I hope the Phillies' management does not expect this change to bring a substantial change in their fortunes this year.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 03, 2022, 07:56:23 PM
Havent been following the vaccination news but this weekend Max Kepler and THREE relief pitchers are missing the trip to Toronto

I guess its only a big deal when  Kyrie Irving does it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 03, 2022, 10:17:09 PM
Havent been following the vaccination news but this weekend Max Kepler and THREE relief pitchers are missing the trip to Toronto

I guess its only a big deal when  Kyrie Irving does it

Kyrie is a bigger deal when he does almost anything, but he was also more essential to his team than Kepler and the bullpen squad are.


It was a mildly deal for Tanner Houck. And one of the 76ers had to skip a game in Toronto, but I don't remember his name.
And no, it was a pretty big deal with Aaron Rodgers does it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 04, 2022, 10:11:09 AM
From collegiate baseball (a bit of a joke this year with juiced baseballs) - not one but TWO players yesterday hit homers from both sides of the plate - IN THE SAME INNING.  Once in 100 years type thing twice in one day.  Anyway...Vandy in losers bracket.  Tough road ahead.  And both my picks somehow ended up in same bracket.  Tennessee the class of the tourney.  Wagers are Vandy 9-1 and Oregon State 6-1.  Pulling also for UCONN and ND.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 04, 2022, 06:50:16 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/03/sport/joe-girardi-philadelphia-phillies-manager-fired/index.html

Goodbye, Joe Girardi.

I hope the Phillies' management does not expect this change to bring a substantial change in their fortunes this year.

On Phillies' "management"
https://theathletic.com/3348637/2022/06/03/phillies-ownership-joe-girardi-era/

A pretty good review of how they got to where they are.

I'd bet a good bit that Kyle Schwarber wishes he had resigned with the Red Sox at this point!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 04, 2022, 07:22:18 PM
Heh

Yeah Joey's boys are a blast to be with right now
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 04, 2022, 07:34:17 PM
Heh

Yeah Joey's boys are a blast to be with right now

Especially comparatively.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 05, 2022, 07:14:56 PM
I suspect that none of the Red Sox will make it across the Bay to see tonight's Celtics game, unlike Verdugo on Thursday night!

$60,000 for a single court side seat on Thursday. A lot of money. I wonder if tonight's would be less.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 07, 2022, 12:23:06 AM
Michael Wacha had only had 1 complete game before this in his career - 2017.

The rest of the league has 3 cg. The Red Sox have 3 cg. No other team has 2.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 07, 2022, 06:28:12 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037992-joe-maddon-fired-as-angels-manager-after-12-straight-losses

First Joe Girardi, then Joe Maddon.

No more Joes to be fired.

Who else is on the hot seat?!

(No, Kid, "Joey" Cora is not a Joe, except to you.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 07, 2022, 09:56:33 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037992-joe-maddon-fired-as-angels-manager-after-12-straight-losses

First Joe Girardi, then Joe Maddon.

No more Joes to be fired.

Who else is on the hot seat?!

(No, Kid, "Joey" Cora is not a Joe, except to you.)

As with the Phillies, so with the Angels (so far). They seem more engaged to this point.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 08, 2022, 02:17:38 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037992-joe-maddon-fired-as-angels-manager-after-12-straight-losses

First Joe Girardi, then Joe Maddon.

No more Joes to be fired.

Who else is on the hot seat?!

(No, Kid, "Joey" Cora is not a Joe, except to you.)

As with the Phillies, so with the Angels (so far). They seem more engaged to this point.

More engaged they may have been, but they still managed to lose first the lead in the 7th and then the game in the 10th. The Red Sox are now 2-7 in extra innings.

But watch out for the Cleveland Guardians!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 08, 2022, 10:17:04 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037992-joe-maddon-fired-as-angels-manager-after-12-straight-losses

First Joe Girardi, then Joe Maddon.

No more Joes to be fired.

Who else is on the hot seat?!

(No, Kid, "Joey" Cora is not a Joe, except to you.)

Well, there's Jo Mama.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 12:26:34 AM
Dalbec at 3rd, Vasquez at 1st.

1-0 after 8 innings, though this was not the tightly pitched game of two nights ago.

Good baseball for those not obsessed with tons of homers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 01:20:28 AM
Dalbec at 3rd, Vasquez at 1st.

1-0 after 8 innings, though this was not the tightly pitched game of two nights ago.

Good baseball for those not obsessed with tons of homers.

And the Sox held on to win, despite the acting job of Marsh, who tried to claim he had been hit by the pitch when he pulled back from bunting. Of course, he held a part of his arm that the ball had never been near - but it still took a challenge to get the call of HBP overturned.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 09, 2022, 12:31:26 PM
Turns out the Phillies were only mostly dead. That whole "need a new voice" thing working so far.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 02:52:48 PM
Turns out the Phillies were only mostly dead. That whole "need a new voice" thing working so far.

It helped that they were playing the Angels at the beginning of the new voice!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 09, 2022, 05:03:20 PM
Turns out the Phillies were only mostly dead. That whole "need a new voice" thing working so far.

It helped that they were playing the Angels at the beginning of the new voice!

Did it help when they got to Hader?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 05:22:52 PM
Turns out the Phillies were only mostly dead. That whole "need a new voice" thing working so far.

It helped that they were playing the Angels at the beginning of the new voice!

Did it help when they got to Hader?

What part of "at the beginning" are you missing?

Clearly, it helped.

Conversely, the Angels seem to have needed more than "a new voice" - or they were facing the Red Sox when they got theirs.

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 09, 2022, 05:28:05 PM
Of course, time will tell. No one is taking a bow, yet.

 But, admit it Hader was a BIG shot in the arm. Team's can get dangerous, when think they can beat anyone, especially a team that is using its bench as much as this team has had to do.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 09, 2022, 08:50:17 PM
Of course, time will tell. No one is taking a bow, yet.

 But, admit it Hader was a BIG shot in the arm. Team's can get dangerous, when think they can beat anyone, especially a team that is using its bench as much as this team has had to do.

Beating Hader was very good and beating the Brewers more even better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 11, 2022, 01:04:52 PM
The 8 straight wins for the Phillies under their new manager looks like more than just "a new voice." It begins to look like maybe he understands something his predecessor did not.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 11, 2022, 09:34:54 PM
Ohhhhhh boy...

Mets had better win tonight

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 11, 2022, 10:50:12 PM

Entering June:

@Braves
: 23-27
@Phillies
: 21-29

June:

Braves: 10-0
Phillies: 9-0

This is the first time two MLB teams each had losing records 50+ games into a season and then went on simultaneous 9+ game winning streaks since the Pirates and Reds did so in 1899.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 12, 2022, 02:38:18 AM

Entering June:

@Braves
: 23-27
@Phillies
: 21-29

June:

Braves: 10-0
Phillies: 9-0

This is the first time two MLB teams each had losing records 50+ games into a season and then went on simultaneous 9+ game winning streaks since the Pirates and Reds did so in 1899.



I remember when they did that! It was quite the season.

Last year with 12 teams in the league for a long time!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 12, 2022, 09:30:34 AM
FISH have also won 5 straight.  This is incredible (as Mets tonight try to avoid going 4-6 on West trip)
Title: Streaks are wonderful things
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 12, 2022, 09:31:35 AM
Rob Thomson joined Pat Moran in 1915 as the only Phillies managers to win their first eight games. The Phillies went to the World Series in 1915.

 
Rob Thomson became the first major league manager to win his first eight games since Joe Morgan won 12 in a row after taking the reins of the Boston Red Sox in 1988.

The Sox went from a 43-42 disappointment under John McNamara to an 89-win division champion.

Things sometimes happen. But consider, too, that the Braves won again, yesterday, for a 10 game streak. The Marlins have gone 7-3 in their last 10 against the Giants and the Astros, and they've won 5 in a row. The Mets have 15 games left against the Braves, 15 games left against the Marlins, and only 7 against the Phillies (all to be played in August).

The braves play the Nats 13 more times. The Braves and Phillies play each other 11 more times. The Phils play the Nats 19 more times.

There's a very likely chance for a pretty good race to take place in this Division, so hold off the parade in Queens, just yet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 12, 2022, 09:53:09 AM
From the "life often sucks" department

It is with complete devastation that I announce that my precious son, Johnny was one of the five US Marines that perished on Wednesday, June 8, in the Osprey Military crash near San Diego. For those of you that knew Johnny, you saw his huge smile, bright light, his love for his family, the Marines, the joy of flying airplanes and defending our country! He was my hero and the best man I know, there was no better person to defend our country.
 There was never any doubt from a young age that Johnny would be a pilot and his passion was to fly! I am so proud of the man he became and so proud to call him my son! This loss will change my life forever and is a loss to not only the Marines but this world!



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10038426-john-sax-son-of-former-mlb-all-star-steve-sax-among-marines-killed-in-crash?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 12, 2022, 09:56:19 AM
Things sometimes happen. But consider, too, that the Braves won again, yesterday, for a 10 game streak. The Marlins have gone 7-3 in their last 10 against the Giants and the Astros, and they've won 5 in a row. The Mets have 15 games left against the Braves, 15 games left against the Marlins, and only 7 against the Phillies (all to be played in August).

The braves play the Nats 13 more times. The Braves and Phillies play each other 11 more times. The Phils play the Nats 19 more times.




- strong work with the numbers - thanks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 13, 2022, 07:53:52 AM
11 WALKS, and a Bit Batsman.

That's how you end a winning streak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 13, 2022, 11:26:23 AM
Biting batsmen is pretty bad.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 13, 2022, 11:43:21 AM
Biting batsmen is pretty bad.

Biting sarcasm, otoh...
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 15, 2022, 12:47:26 PM
Cory Knebal lost his job last night, and rightly so. Thomson will go with the BPBC---Bullpen by Committee.

Phight on.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 15, 2022, 04:21:01 PM
Who?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2022, 06:09:08 PM
Who?

Fletcher Knebel's grandson.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher_Knebel
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 15, 2022, 09:44:01 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/luis-garcia-phil-maton-throw-immaculate-innings-for-astros

Two immaculate innings in one game!

Same team, different pitchers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 16, 2022, 01:10:12 AM
Two near-no hitters, one broken up with only one out left, the other with two outs remaining.

Exciting baseball, even with uneven scores.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 16, 2022, 11:02:24 AM
Garrett Stubbs is the first player I have ever seen spike a bat after hitting a home run, then sprint up the first base line jumping up and down like Hulk Hogan; albeit it was a 3=run walk-off homer. I'm guessing that he just got a teammate drilled in one of the many games the Phils have left with the Fish.

https://twitter.com/NBCSPhilly/status/1537429956136796160?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet (https://twitter.com/NBCSPhilly/status/1537429956136796160?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 17, 2022, 10:26:52 PM
Red Sox hang on to beat a tough St. Louis team tonight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 18, 2022, 01:33:47 AM
Good win by the Guardians in LA. 10th inning ghost runner scored for them, but not for the Dodgers,
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 18, 2022, 03:55:50 PM
Another series win for the Phightins. Let's keep it going.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 18, 2022, 04:32:51 PM
Good win by the Guardians in LA. 10th inning ghost runner scored for them, but not for the Dodgers,

Did Dodgers bunt?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 20, 2022, 01:48:11 AM
Red Sox won another against a tough Cardinals team, despite their 9th inning comeback.

Speaking of comebacks, the Blue Jays had a great comeback against the Yankees and managed then to hold on!

And Cleveland managed to come back twice against the Dodgers and then pull ahead in the 9th to win impressively.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 20, 2022, 09:34:48 PM
Cole was sharp tonight for the Yankees, but the Rays broke up the no hitter at the start of their half of the 8th inning. Only a 2-0 lead, so a good tight game, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 21, 2022, 07:55:18 AM
And the much maligned Hicks and Gallo come through BIG to earn the W.  Yanks are certainly real.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 21, 2022, 01:17:10 PM
Quote
This summer, Ramirez's son, Manny Jr., is playing for the Brockton Rox, a collegiate summer baseball team. Also on the team? Ortiz's son, D'Angelo Ortiz; Pedro Martinez Jr.; Gary Sheffield's son, Jaden Sheffield; and Keith Foulke's son, Kade Foulke.
(courtesy of MLB.com)

Obviously, there have been second and third generation baseball players for a long time - sometimes sons of stars who outshine their fathers, like Griffey, Jr. or Barry Bonds before his career got derailed. Watching the current crop of Blue Jays is certainly exciting.

But if those Brockton players are at all up to their parents' caliber, they may bring it to a new level. I might take a trip down to watch them! It's only about a 90 minute trip. Wish I'd thought about this yesterday - today's a double-header!

(Mind you, right now they are in the cellar of their group. Maybe I will wait until they are only 30 minutes away, in Nashua.)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 21, 2022, 02:30:32 PM
Ortiz and Ramirez (infielders) may very well get drafted.  Not sure of Foulke, who is a lefthanded pitcher

Looks like a great league - thanks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 21, 2022, 03:55:40 PM
Ortiz and Ramirez (infielders) may very well get drafted. 

Manny Ramirez was a shortstop when he was drafted.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 21, 2022, 05:54:24 PM
Wonder if Manny Sr found a hill for Jr to drag a tire up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 21, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Ortiz and Ramirez (infielders) may very well get drafted.  Not sure of Foulke, who is a lefthanded pitcher

Looks like a great league - thanks

My pleasure.

I'm pretty excited about the chance to go watch them - today I am missing the Sea Unicorns. But I could drive 2.5-3 hours to see almost all of these teams!

For some reason, I had not realized that we have 4 teams in this league playing this summer, with another so close, though in NH.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 22, 2022, 12:15:34 AM
Blue Jays - White Sox is headed to the 12th.

The Sox lost the lead in the 8th, tied it in the 9th. Both teams have scored 1 in the 10th and 11th. Sometimes bunting the runner over. At least once balked over.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 22, 2022, 07:20:54 AM
Ortiz and Ramirez (infielders) may very well get drafted.  Not sure of Foulke, who is a lefthanded pitcher

Looks like a great league - thanks

My pleasure.

I'm pretty excited about the chance to go watch them - today I am missing the Sea Unicorns. But I could drive 2.5-3 hours to see almost all of these teams!

For some reason, I had not realized that we have 4 teams in this league playing this summer, with another so close, though in NH.

We have the Atlantic Collegiate Baseball League here (NY/NJ/PA).  Pretty good ball.  Wood bats.  Quite a few 90 plus guys on the hill.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 22, 2022, 11:24:05 PM
The back and forth in the Twins/Guardians game tonight was quite something.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 23, 2022, 08:31:34 AM
The back and forth in the Twins/Guardians game tonight was quite something.
We be hot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 23, 2022, 11:38:11 AM
Sources say that Judge's agent wants to force a free agency, and wants to use Mets as final destination. We'll see what happens on Friday with arbitration.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 23, 2022, 01:00:55 PM
Sure.  We'll take him.  Room for a few more 30 mil plus guys....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 23, 2022, 11:16:56 PM
Tonight's amazing comeback win was by the Yankees - their third hit tying the game in the bottom of the 9th and a few batters latter Judge knocking in the winning run.

And earlier the Twins won a squeaker to regain a share of 1st in the central.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 24, 2022, 09:28:38 AM
Guardians-Twins shaping up to be the race of the summer?   Nice surprise.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2022, 10:46:20 AM
Guardians-Twins shaping up to be the race of the summer?   Nice surprise.

I'm expecting the White Sox to be in the mix for most of the summer, as well. I don't think they will be able to pull away from the other two.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 24, 2022, 10:50:58 AM
Guardians-Twins shaping up to be the race of the summer?   Nice surprise.
I have no idea why anyone throws a strike to Jose Ramirez when anything is on the line. There are some kids producing that I think will taper off, but our bull pen has been great, and it is starting to look like the Lindor trade.was the best deal we have made with the Mets since we fleeced them on the Harry Chiti trade. And I still love Frankie Baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 24, 2022, 11:27:52 AM
Guardians-Twins shaping up to be the race of the summer?   Nice surprise.

I'm expecting the White Sox to be in the mix for most of the summer, as well. I don't think they will be able to pull away from the other two.

Yeah - you had the Angels as well.  And the Yanks 4th in division, no?   

heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2022, 12:06:30 PM
Guardians-Twins shaping up to be the race of the summer?   Nice surprise.

I'm expecting the White Sox to be in the mix for most of the summer, as well. I don't think they will be able to pull away from the other two.

Yeah - you had the Angels as well.  And the Yanks 4th in division, no?   

heh

Is it that hard for you to look before you type?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2022, 12:14:04 PM
Guardians-Twins shaping up to be the race of the summer?   Nice surprise.

I'm expecting the White Sox to be in the mix for most of the summer, as well. I don't think they will be able to pull away from the other two.

Yeah - you had the Angels as well.  And the Yanks 4th in division, no?   

heh

And this from the person who couldn't even bring himself to pick division winners, let alone the rest of the ultimate standings.

BTW, you had the Angels in the playoffs, too.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 24, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
Heh

Not second in the AL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2022, 03:07:56 PM
Heh

Not second in the AL

No, not second in the AL.

You had NOBODY second in the AL.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 24, 2022, 04:21:51 PM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2022, 05:48:09 PM
Exactly.

Wuss.

You use that like a point of pride.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2022, 10:49:33 PM
Good game by the Red Sox tonight. The 9th was a bit too exciting, facing a team that has come back as often lately as the Indians have. Bases loaded and the top AL RBI guy at bat?!

But Houck struck him out, ending the game.

Umpires drive me crazy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 24, 2022, 10:57:31 PM
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Judge has said that he does not believe his contract situation has impacted his play.

"I'm not really motivated by that kind of stuff," Judge said.

Says the man who turned down $210+ for 7 years.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 25, 2022, 12:48:58 AM
Tense finish to the 1-0 Phillies-Padres game. Rogers filled the bases with Phillies before retiring Schwarber to end the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 25, 2022, 07:34:04 AM
Sure.  We'll take him.  Room for a few more 30 mil plus guys....

So, back to being a Mets fan, I see. Hard to keep up with your laundry changes each season, kid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 25, 2022, 07:45:18 AM
Tense finish to the 1-0 Phillies-Padres game. Rogers filled the bases with Phillies before retiring Schwarber to end the game.


Older brother beat younger brother. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/mlb-roundup-padres-austin-nola-drives-winning-run-off-brother-aaron-2022-06-25/ (https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/mlb-roundup-padres-austin-nola-drives-winning-run-off-brother-aaron-2022-06-25/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 25, 2022, 02:47:58 PM
Today's Astros at Yankees is looking pretty good, 5 6 innings in.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 25, 2022, 04:43:33 PM
Today's Astros at Yankees is looking pretty good, 5 6 innings in.

Very exciting to watch today's no-no of the Yankees.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 25, 2022, 05:27:00 PM
Today's Astros at Yankees is looking pretty good, 5 6 innings in.

Very exciting to watch today's no-no of the Yankees.

first comment on the twitter feed post of Astros: "Combined no hitter doesn
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 25, 2022, 05:59:27 PM
Today's Astros at Yankees is looking pretty good, 5 6 innings in.

Very exciting to watch today's no-no of the Yankees.

first comment on the twitter feed post of Astros: "Combined no hitter doesn

This one?

Quote
"Loose Cannon" Pablo
@ilovemypastime
Replying to
@astros
 and
@budweiserusa

Doesn't count . Combined. "

https://twitter.com/ilovemypastime/status/1540793164906258432
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 25, 2022, 08:19:14 PM
Today's Astros at Yankees is looking pretty good, 5 6 innings in.

Very exciting to watch today's no-no of the Yankees.

Yep.  Solid game.  Altuve HR took the steam out of it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 25, 2022, 11:56:53 PM
78 years ago tomorrow (6/26/1944), now.

Quote
"70 years ago Saturday, more than 50,000 packed the Polo Grounds to watch
 the Yankees, Dodgers and Giants play each other in a six-inning contest
 to raise money for war bonds. Each team played successive innings
against the other two teams, then sits out an inning. The final score is
 Dodgers 5, Yankees 1, Giants 0."

https://sabr.org/gamesproj/game/june-26-1944-the-tri-cornered-war-bond-baseball-game/

I think MLB should do more of this sort of thing and on a regular (annual, at a minimum) basis.

Fundraisers for worthy causes, like homeless vets or children. Figure it out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2022, 10:28:48 AM
Sure.  We'll take him.  Room for a few more 30 mil plus guys....

So, back to being a Mets fan, I see. Hard to keep up with your laundry changes each season, kid.

Yeah, sure, man - "back to..."

It's documented - I bet Mets to win NL - at 5-1 odds.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2022, 10:32:29 AM
Sure.  We'll take him.  Room for a few more 30 mil plus guys....

So, back to being a Mets fan, I see. Hard to keep up with your laundry changes each season, kid.

Yeah, sure, man - "back to..."

It's documented - I bet Mets to win NL - at 5-1 odds.

Your odds improved last night, after Bryce Harper's thumb was broken by Blake Snell's fastball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2022, 03:21:13 PM
It feels like deja vu, all over again.

The Astros @ Yankees game is worth turning on the tube or radio for, though Houston has a 3-0 lead. It's going into the 6th 7th inning with the same situation for the home team as yesterday.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 26, 2022, 03:41:46 PM
After Arte Moreno was involved with a corruption scandal in Anaheim over the sale of Angel Stadium, I think it created a bitter taste between Arte and the people of Anaheim, and I think at this point the best thing would be for Arte to sell the Angels baseball team to the City of Anaheim. Anaheim can own the Angels the same way that Green Bay owns the Packers.

I wish some good guys like Mike Sciocia would help the City of Anaheim, when Mike was the coach the Angels won the World Series, back in 2002.

The City of Anaheim needs to buy the Angels, and we need some good people to run and coach the team. Maybe Albert Pujols can help.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2022, 03:54:10 PM
It feels like deja vu, all over again.

The Astros @ Yankees game is worth turning on the tube or radio for, though Houston has a 3-0 lead. It's going into the 6th 7th inning with the same situation for the home team as yesterday.

Stanton ended the Yankees' hitless streak at 16 innings and their consecutive scoreless streak, as well, with a solo homer.

Still quite something!

The Pirates/Rays game is also interesting, tied up 1-1 after 7 innings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2022, 05:25:58 PM
Felt like a rerun of Thursday night, coming back from 3-0 to win 6-3, this time tying it in the 8th and winning it in the 10th.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 26, 2022, 05:29:29 PM
The Angels-Mariners brawl took 17 minutes to end.

But I still wonder at the bullpens needing to run all the way in before joining a melee.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on June 26, 2022, 09:22:47 PM
Today was a big game at YS.  I said so before it started

And to get 2 of 4 with what occurred in between....

...team of destiny.

Order me up 7 though of NYY v HOU.  I guess it could go either way (dont even bring another team into the equation)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 27, 2022, 12:10:51 PM
Sure.  We'll take him.  Room for a few more 30 mil plus guys....

So, back to being a Mets fan, I see. Hard to keep up with your laundry changes each season, kid.

Yeah, sure, man - "back to..."

It's documented - I bet Mets to win NL - at 5-1 odds.

Your odds improved last night, after Bryce Harper's thumb was broken by Blake Snell's fastball.

Hold on a sec, and don't write the obituary just yet. Just last year, the Braves won the whole thing without Acuna. Lots of time left, and the series wins keep coming. Let's see how they do against those Braves this week.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 27, 2022, 12:12:41 PM
The Angels-Mariners brawl took 17 minutes to end.

But I still wonder at the bullpens needing to run all the way in before joining a melee.

Well, they threw at Trout's head the night before. The Mariners set themselves up for that one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 28, 2022, 03:34:16 PM
Big win for LAA last night, kicking off a key "is either of these teams real" series with Chisox  . 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2022, 04:14:56 PM
The Angels-Mariners brawl took 17 minutes to end.

But I still wonder at the bullpens needing to run all the way in before joining a melee.

Well, they threw at Trout's head the night before. The Mariners set themselves up for that one.

And Manfred hands out ridiculous suspensions today. The Angels took the brunt of what the Mariners provoked.

Worst commissioner ever.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2022, 04:15:39 PM
Harper out for 6 weeks due to surgery on the thumb injured by Snell and the Pads.

https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-thumb-injury-update (https://www.mlb.com/news/bryce-harper-thumb-injury-update)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 28, 2022, 04:36:16 PM
That's baseball.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2022, 05:13:10 PM
That's baseball.

Yep.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2022, 05:16:03 PM
Preview of the Braves-Phils series:  Braves and Phillies Hobble into Big Series As Hottest Teams

https://tomahawktake.com/2022/06/28/braves-phillies-hobble-big-series-hottest-teams/ (https://tomahawktake.com/2022/06/28/braves-phillies-hobble-big-series-hottest-teams/)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 29, 2022, 09:38:32 AM
JOEY screws the pooch

Why the helll would he let Tyler Danish start the ninth inning?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 29, 2022, 10:56:09 AM
JOEY screws the pooch

Why the helll would he let Tyler Danish start the ninth inning?
I donut know.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 29, 2022, 11:28:16 AM
Are Phillies getting read to Turn(er) the page already?

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2022/06/report-links-trea-turner-to-the-phillies.html (https://www.crossingbroad.com/2022/06/report-links-trea-turner-to-the-phillies.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 29, 2022, 11:56:45 AM
JOEY screws the pooch

Why the helll would he let Tyler Danish start the ninth inning?

And why would he bring in Robles.

We were told going into this series that Schreiber would be closing things out. I was dismayed to see him there in the 7th.

And yes, I really wish Houck and Duran would get vaccinated.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 29, 2022, 10:04:02 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10040457-rob-manfred-says-mlb-will-likely-introduce-automated-strike-zone-system-in-2024
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 29, 2022, 11:24:09 PM
Red Sox only blew 2 out of 3 save opportunities and came out with a win in the final game of this Toronto series.

Cora says he expects both missing players to be vaccinated by the time they go to Toronto again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 30, 2022, 09:31:20 AM
Which makes them total assholes.  If you dont believe in the vaccine - or have other reasons, stick by it.  If you were going to cave, should have done so already.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Holly Martins on June 30, 2022, 06:08:24 PM
Four outs in an inning.  Wait, what?  Nationals collide with surreal rules of the game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/06/30/nationals-pirates-controversial-play/

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on June 30, 2022, 08:17:16 PM
Four outs in an inning.  Wait, what?  Nationals collide with surreal rules of the game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2022/06/30/nationals-pirates-controversial-play/

Xander was called out when he got a 2nd strike the other day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 01, 2022, 06:15:10 PM
RS blew a game today.  Up 4 and lose to the Cubbies in Wrigleyville.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 01, 2022, 07:24:29 PM
RS blew a game today.  Up 4 and lose to the Cubbies in Wrigleyville.

They walked 11. 5 of the 6 runs scored by the Cubbies were walked.

And have I complained about Robles before?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 02, 2022, 10:05:29 AM
Long Ball Hall delivered again for the Phillies Friday night, logging his third major-league hit  and third major-league homer  to help the Phils earn a huge win over St. Louis.



Really?

Let's go, LBH!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 02, 2022, 10:26:18 AM
Yankee fans clamoring for Miguel Andujar get their wish today.  Mig gets the call today as 27th man, starting in left first game of DH vs Guardians.  If he gets 2 hits, let's see what Booney does with him - and with Gallo/Hicks moving forward.  Could be a showcase of sorts for a deal as well.  Though not sure what Yanks need is right now.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 02, 2022, 11:37:08 AM
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=911165595738463

For raising future baseball players
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 02, 2022, 10:41:22 PM
Red Sox did not walk the universe today.

Instead they played hacky-sack with the ball and threw away a the ball for a couple Cubby runs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 03, 2022, 07:01:51 PM
Hey, the Red Sox avoided the sweep by the Cubs, who returned the favors of last night, making it far simpler to score.

I'll take it!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 03, 2022, 11:42:10 PM
Another series win in Philly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 04, 2022, 11:51:00 PM
Good start to the homestand and the two weeks of baseball against AL East competition.

Their record against the teams in their division sucks. They would need to win 7 in a row just to get back to .500! But one game at a time and today's was won.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 05, 2022, 09:36:49 AM
Mets got their 50th win, yesterday. Parade being planned in Queens.

We will wait and see how those plans go.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 05, 2022, 10:55:08 PM
The last 45 minutes or so should have been played tomorrow.

Not that it would have changed the outcome.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 06, 2022, 08:05:26 PM
Now?! NOW you need to get the bullpen going?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 06, 2022, 09:04:58 PM
Mets got their 50th win, yesterday. Parade being planned in Queens.

We will wait and see how those plans go.

And who shows up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 07, 2022, 10:36:40 PM
Not enough Devers. Too much injured starting pitching. Too much Franchy Cordero.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 07, 2022, 11:43:40 PM
heh

gm is an idiot i guess
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2022, 12:03:48 AM
heh

gm is an idiot i guess

Chaim Bloom has made some bonehead deals, IMO, as well as some good ones.

The two outfielder trades do not look good, IMHO.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2022, 10:09:38 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/sport/jurickson-profar-san-diego-padres-collapse-spt-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 08, 2022, 10:25:48 AM
heh

gm is an idiot i guess

Chaim Bloom has made some bonehead deals, IMO, as well as some good ones.

The two outfielder trades do not look good, IMHO.

Bloom's not the GM

But you are right about the trades.

SIGNINGS and "let gos" also not looking too good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2022, 11:07:36 AM
heh

gm is an idiot i guess

Chaim Bloom has made some bonehead deals, IMO, as well as some good ones.

The two outfielder trades do not look good, IMHO.

Bloom's not the GM

But you are right about the trades.

SIGNINGS and "let gos" also not looking too good.

O'Halloran doesn't use the potty without Bloom's okay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 08, 2022, 03:21:22 PM
But deals are generated, deals that Bloom would know nothing of - thus OHalloran is responsible, if not giving final stamp.

I have no doubt Betts deal was Bloom-led once the conversation got started.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2022, 04:09:48 PM
But deals are generated, deals that Bloom would know nothing of - thus OHalloran is responsible, if not giving final stamp.

I have no doubt Betts deal was Bloom-led once the conversation got started.

I don't know that there was a better way to go wrt Betts.

I think the Renfroe trade was unwise, for all that his current injury makes it look better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 08, 2022, 04:20:47 PM
Yes.  I recall you not wanting JBJ back.

Question I guess is what does BLOOM (as you feel he is doing the real work) do now - at 45-37 and off a divisional series run?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2022, 04:42:14 PM
Yes.  I recall you not wanting JBJ back.

Question I guess is what does BLOOM (as you feel he is doing the real work) do now - at 45-37 and off a divisional series run?

Bloom is not responsible for the number of injured personnel, especially what amounts to a complete starting rotation and a few relievers.

The youngsters who have been pitching of late are his best attempts to keep the show moving while awaiting returns from the IL. I don't really want us trading for more 4.50+ era relievers.

If we get 2019esque Chris Sale back, along with Eovaldi and Whitlock, I don't know that major actions need be done. And without that, I don't think any deals that can be done rationally will make sufficient difference for a deep dive into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 08, 2022, 06:12:17 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/08/sport/jurickson-profar-san-diego-padres-collapse-spt-intl/index.html

IF the SS wasn't positioned by some analytics asshole in the GM's box, he isn't in the position to run towards LF the way he did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 08, 2022, 06:18:42 PM
Best call of the year by an announcer. The nominee is Gary Cohen, Mets announcer for this: https://twitter.com/just_mets/status/1545221462184828928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1545221462184828928%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2022%2F07%2F07%2Fbug-crawling-on-sny-camera-leads-to-all-time-gary-cohen-call%2F (https://twitter.com/just_mets/status/1545221462184828928?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1545221462184828928%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnypost.com%2F2022%2F07%2F07%2Fbug-crawling-on-sny-camera-leads-to-all-time-gary-cohen-call%2F)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 08, 2022, 06:39:41 PM
 Kyle Schwarber entered the weekend leading the National League in home runs thanks to a run of nine bombs in the last 14 games.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2022, 06:58:21 PM
Kyle Schwarber entered the weekend leading the National League in home runs thanks to a run of nine bombs in the last 14 games.

When he's hot he's on fire.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 08, 2022, 08:24:05 PM
Tonight's rookie starter gave up 7 runs in 2.2 innings before leaving with a sore paw. The Red Sox had nobody warming up for no particular reason other than lack of pitchers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 08, 2022, 10:28:38 PM
Kyle Schwarber entered the weekend leading the National League in home runs thanks to a run of nine bombs in the last 14 games.

When he's hot he's on fire.

Well done OHalloran (and Bloom, I guess)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 09, 2022, 05:38:34 PM
Phils have 27 innings without allowing a Cardinals run, as they won 4-0 last Sunday, 2-0, yesterday, and 1-0 today. Wheeler pitched those first 2 games, but today it was Kyle Gibson who pitched 7 SO innings.

Alec is the Bohm, as he homered twice last night, and got the the sac fly RBI today, accounting for all the runs in this series, so far.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 09, 2022, 06:39:54 PM
Phils have 27 innings without allowing a Cardinals run, as they won 4-0 last Sunday, 2-0, yesterday, and 1-0 today. Wheeler pitched those first 2 games, but today it was Kyle Gibson who pitched 7 SO innings.

Alec is the Bohm, as he homered twice last night, and got the the sac fly RBI today, accounting for all the runs in this series, so far.

The shut out streak is mighty impressive!

Alec's feat is useful, if not quite as awesome.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 09, 2022, 11:25:05 PM
A rarity these days --> a Red Sox walk off over the Yankees in extra innings after falling behind by 2 in the top of the 10th!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 10, 2022, 11:40:48 AM
A rarity these days --> a Red Sox walk off over the Yankees in extra innings after falling behind by 2 in the top of the 10th!

Yankees fans upset. Worried they won't win in October. Blame Joey Gallo.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 10, 2022, 12:59:52 PM
A rarity these days --> a Red Sox walk off over the Yankees in extra innings after falling behind by 2 in the top of the 10th!
Considering the specificity, very definitely a rarity.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 10, 2022, 03:07:35 PM
Phillies are 24 and 10 with Rob Thomson as Manager, and are in the WC standings. And that's with losing starting pitching, Bryce Harper playing injured, then out altogether. Somehow the Bullpen has come around, the situational hitting and the defense has improved.

CAn he keep it going post-All-Star break? Wait and see, but it would help it Nick Castellanos drove in more runs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 10, 2022, 05:48:50 PM
A rarity these days --> a Red Sox walk off over the Yankees in extra innings after falling behind by 2 in the top of the 10th!
Considering the specificity, very definitely a rarity.

True enough.

The Yankees were also without a loss this season when leading after the 7th inning until last night.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 10, 2022, 06:43:02 PM
A rarity these days --> a Red Sox walk off over the Yankees in extra innings after falling behind by 2 in the top of the 10th!

Yankees fans upset. Worried they won't win in October. Blame Joey Gallo.

Rumor mill going about dual trades.  One bringing in Tendi for at least one solid prospect.  The other moving Gallo but also sending cash to the "suitor".
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 10, 2022, 10:48:32 PM
Red Sox came back from down 4-0 and 6-2.

The Yankees' "defense" sure helped that along. They looked like we did a couple games ago.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 11, 2022, 08:28:16 AM
Andres Giminez is an All Star. Frankie Lindor has Carlosbaegraed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 11, 2022, 09:22:25 AM
Andres Giminez is an All Star. Frankie Lindor has Carlosbaegraed.

Nice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 11, 2022, 09:27:16 AM
Andres Giminez is an All Star. Frankie Lindor has Carlosbaegraed.

Nice.
FTR I still love Frankie. I do not hold his failure to be Jose Ramirez against him. I hope his bat comes back around, but I assume his D is as magical as ever.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 11, 2022, 10:25:17 AM
Cards win by a great slide.

Today's game determines a series win or a series tie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 11, 2022, 11:14:44 AM
Braves-Mets tonight.   Max v Max.


But still not sleeping on Phils.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 11, 2022, 04:56:31 PM
Braves-Mets tonight.   Max v Max.


But still not sleeping on Phils.

Braves have it down to 1.5 games. Finishing in first at the All-Star break will give Mets fans that old familiar feeling. Angst.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 11, 2022, 05:02:35 PM
Robbie Cano's a Brave, you know: https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34224211/atlanta-braves-acquire-vet-2b-robinson-cano-san-diego-padres (https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/34224211/atlanta-braves-acquire-vet-2b-robinson-cano-san-diego-padres)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 12, 2022, 10:51:03 AM
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNBCSPhilly%2Fstatus%2F1546687346678145025&widget=Tweet

JT a bad teammate
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 12, 2022, 01:37:39 PM
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNBCSPhilly%2Fstatus%2F1546687346678145025&widget=Tweet

JT a bad teammate

That's your logic?

Pretty weak sauce. I think we can say Jacob De Grom is a horrible teammate then, since he doesn't keep himself on the field throughout the seasons.


4/7/22   Shoulder
7/17/21   Forearm
7/15/21   Forearm
6/16/21   Shoulder
6/11/21   Elbow
5/9/21   Right side
5/4/21   Side
9/16/20   Hamstring
8/14/20   Neck
7/15/20   Back Tightness
6/1/19   Hip
5/3/18   Hyperextended right elbow


Weak-ass teammate.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 12, 2022, 02:01:07 PM
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNBCSPhilly%2Fstatus%2F1546687346678145025&widget=Tweet

JT a bad teammate

That's your logic?

Pretty weak sauce. I think we can say Jacob De Grom is a horrible teammate then, since he doesn't keep himself on the field throughout the seasons.


4/7/22   Shoulder
7/17/21   Forearm
7/15/21   Forearm
6/16/21   Shoulder
6/11/21   Elbow
5/9/21   Right side
5/4/21   Side
9/16/20   Hamstring
8/14/20   Neck
7/15/20   Back Tightness
6/1/19   Hip
5/3/18   Hyperextended right elbow


Weak-ass teammate.

Huge difference between choosing not to get vaccinated and having injuries.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 12, 2022, 04:58:49 PM
https://publish.twitter.com/?query=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FNBCSPhilly%2Fstatus%2F1546687346678145025&widget=Tweet

JT a bad teammate

That's your logic?

Pretty weak sauce. I think we can say Jacob De Grom is a horrible teammate then, since he doesn't keep himself on the field throughout the seasons.


4/7/22   Shoulder
7/17/21   Forearm
7/15/21   Forearm
6/16/21   Shoulder
6/11/21   Elbow
5/9/21   Right side
5/4/21   Side
9/16/20   Hamstring
8/14/20   Neck
7/15/20   Back Tightness
6/1/19   Hip
5/3/18   Hyperextended right elbow


Weak-ass teammate.

Huge difference between choosing not to get vaccinated and having injuries.

He has the antibodies. It's Canada's rules he's opposed to. Medically, he should be cleared.

He plays a much more difficult position than DeGrom. He plays. DeGrom sits, and wants more money for doing so.Missing two games? He deserves a rest.

Do I agree with him? No. But saying he's a bad teammate based on this is stupid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 13, 2022, 01:33:30 PM
He has the antibodies. It's Canada's rules he's opposed to. Medically, he should be cleared.



Like  Kyrie
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2022, 03:15:47 PM
He has the antibodies. It's Canada's rules he's opposed to. Medically, he should be cleared.



Like  Kyrie

Having the antibodies from a COVID case a year ago or more doesn't mean jack now. Medically, he is not clear at all.

Like Kyrie.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 13, 2022, 09:11:07 PM
Boston Bad News Bears
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 13, 2022, 11:02:46 PM
Boston Bad News Bears

Joey's creation
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 14, 2022, 01:20:22 AM
Boston Bad News Bears

Joey's creation

You've decided to let your no-nothing campaign spread to sports, where you formerly liked to engage in meaningful discussion?

Okay, fool, have it your way.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2022, 01:18:39 AM
No Bad News Bear moments tonight.

A solid start by the rookie, if left in a batter too late.

Replaced by our most effective reliever...

who proceeded to give up a bunch of hits and runs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 15, 2022, 11:03:10 AM
Looking like Boston, Seattle, Cleveland, Chicago for the last AL spot.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2022, 01:20:23 PM
Looking like Boston, Seattle, Cleveland, Chicago for the last AL spot.

Why not Baltimore?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 15, 2022, 11:21:25 PM
An amazing almost-loss and then finally win for the Red Sox. Some awful plays, some great plays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 16, 2022, 10:02:21 AM
Phil's K'd 12x last night, but still beat the best pitcher in baseball, 2-1.

Win again.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 16, 2022, 12:01:31 PM
Phil's K'd 12x last night, but still beat the best pitcher in baseball, 2-1.

Win again.

Good stuff.

Now if the teams they are chasing and being chased by would stop winning at the same time!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 18, 2022, 08:12:04 PM
That may have been the worst professional rendition of the Star Spangled Banner that I have ever heard!

On to the HR Derby!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 19, 2022, 09:25:29 AM
: Clayton Kershaw to start at Dodger Stadium

And he'll be tagged with the loss, bit-spitter that he is.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2022, 03:24:43 PM
Best pitcher in post Schilling/Pedro era.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 19, 2022, 04:44:15 PM
Jesus, even Sesame Street characters are racist in Philadelphia.

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/19/sesame-place-responds-to-accusations-of-against-black-children/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2022, 08:31:23 PM
Payday coming.

Kids were upset.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 19, 2022, 10:57:40 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/home-run-derby-controversy-soto-schwarber-sports-betting?dicbo=v2-7d0d9d5afaf606a60c13160303b22a7c
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 19, 2022, 11:37:43 PM
Good solid win for the A.L.

The N.L. should not have taken Betts out so early!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 19, 2022, 11:41:06 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/home-run-derby-controversy-soto-schwarber-sports-betting?dicbo=v2-7d0d9d5afaf606a60c13160303b22a7c

"The rules state that pitchers must wait to throw until the previous hit ball has landed, but this was ignored multiple times ..."

It was ignored throughout the competition. If MLB was going to enforce it, they needed to do so all the way along.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 20, 2022, 12:13:38 AM
Daamn Dominican cheat fucks.

Julio's guy was the worst.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2022, 10:28:10 AM
Best pitcher in post Schilling/Pedro era.

Verlander.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2022, 10:30:18 AM
Jesus, even Sesame Street characters are racist in Philadelphia.

https://www.salon.com/2022/07/19/sesame-place-responds-to-accusations-of-against-black-children/

Not sure your source, but there is no such place in Philadelphia.

Carry on, gadfly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2022, 10:31:23 AM
Rumor: The St. Louis Cardinals are looking into hiring Josh Hawley for late innings as a pinch runner.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2022, 09:37:02 PM
Pretty close game in Boston.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 22, 2022, 09:44:23 PM
Pretty close game in Boston.

I stopped watching at 10-0.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 22, 2022, 10:11:20 PM
Pretty close game in Boston.

I stopped watching at 10-0.

Things are only a little better than that in Philly.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on July 23, 2022, 08:55:42 AM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2022, 08:57:07 AM
Pretty close game in Boston.
Looks like you struggled trying to stop that Argonauts offense. And a field goal and a couple of rouges is a pretty poor offensive display.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2022, 09:09:24 AM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?

Given the injuries, it seems unlikely.

And it wasn't his decisions that gave us a first base platoon of Dalbec and Cordero. Nor his fault that we have JBJ in the outfield instead of Renfroe and/or Benintendi.

But one never knows.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 23, 2022, 10:16:42 AM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?

Given the injuries, it seems unlikely.

And it wasn't his decisions that gave us a first base platoon of Dalbec and Cordero. Nor his fault that we have JBJ in the outfield instead of Renfroe and/or Benintendi.

But one never knows.

The Boone Watch, however, has started in NY, as it seems A-Aron is totally responsible for losing to Dusty Baker.  Joe from Staten Island knows how to fill out that line-up card better than the Y's manager.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2022, 02:12:56 PM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?

Given the injuries, it seems unlikely.

And it wasn't his decisions that gave us a first base platoon of Dalbec and Cordero. Nor his fault that we have JBJ in the outfield instead of Renfroe and/or Benintendi.

But one never knows.

The Boone Watch, however, has started in NY, as it seems A-Aron is totally responsible for losing to Dusty Baker.  Joe from Staten Island knows how to fill out that line-up card better than the Y's manager.

Boone Watch will start as soon as they lose any playoff series, with the possible exception of the World Series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 23, 2022, 03:30:48 PM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?

Given the injuries, it seems unlikely.

And it wasn't his decisions that gave us a first base platoon of Dalbec and Cordero. Nor his fault that we have JBJ in the outfield instead of Renfroe and/or Benintendi.

But one never knows.

The Boone Watch, however, has started in NY, as it seems A-Aron is totally responsible for losing to Dusty Baker.  Joe from Staten Island knows how to fill out that line-up card better than the Y's manager.

Boone Watch will start as soon as they loose [/i]any[/i] playoff series, with the possible exception of the World Series.

Nope. They're already calling for his head.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2022, 05:50:22 PM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?

Given the injuries, it seems unlikely.

And it wasn't his decisions that gave us a first base platoon of Dalbec and Cordero. Nor his fault that we have JBJ in the outfield instead of Renfroe and/or Benintendi.

But one never knows.

The Boone Watch, however, has started in NY, as it seems A-Aron is totally responsible for losing to Dusty Baker.  Joe from Staten Island knows how to fill out that line-up card better than the Y's manager.

Boone Watch will start as soon as they loose [/i]any[/i] playoff series, with the possible exception of the World Series.

Nope. They're already calling for his head.

On radio?

The message boards seem to have laid off in early May.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 23, 2022, 07:58:55 PM
During today's humdrum loss, the typist had a terrible time.

The typist never got relief pitcher Cimber's name right\, with Findberg, Zimmer, and others. Write field was a mystery. Etc.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bankshot1 on July 24, 2022, 01:28:28 PM
Congratulations to David Ortiz on his day of enshrinement in baseball's Hall of Fame.

An honor well deserved for the outsized slugger and personality who was magnificent when the stakes were highest.

The man was a lot of fun to watch.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 24, 2022, 02:04:09 PM
Congratulations to David Ortiz on his day of enshrinement in baseball's Hall of Fame.

An honor well deserved for the outsized slugger and personality who was magnificent when the stakes were highest.

The man was a lot of fun to watch.

The current Red Sox would benefit from having him back, even as is.

But, hey, it was only a bases clearing triple, not an inside the park grand slam.

Something to celebrate (as we look up at a 5-0 deficit in the bottom of the 1st), right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 24, 2022, 03:23:35 PM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?

Given the injuries, it seems unlikely.

And it wasn't his decisions that gave us a first base platoon of Dalbec and Cordero. Nor his fault that we have JBJ in the outfield instead of Renfroe and/or Benintendi.

But one never knows.

The Boone Watch, however, has started in NY, as it seems A-Aron is totally responsible for losing to Dusty Baker.  Joe from Staten Island knows how to fill out that line-up card better than the Y's manager.

Boone Watch will start as soon as they lose any playoff series, with the possible exception of the World Series.

Agree.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 24, 2022, 03:30:16 PM
Oh my.

Cora gone soon?

Given the injuries, it seems unlikely.

And it wasn't his decisions that gave us a first base platoon of Dalbec and Cordero. Nor his fault that we have JBJ in the outfield instead of Renfroe and/or Benintendi.

But one never knows.

As soon as Danish went down it was all over.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 24, 2022, 03:55:30 PM
Whitlock in, JBJ homers, comeback is on.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 24, 2022, 08:01:24 PM
Whitlock in, JBJ homers, comeback is on.

No.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 24, 2022, 11:42:12 PM
Were it not for the games 2, 3, and 4 ago, today's game would have been embarrassing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2022, 12:31:52 AM
The Red Sox can win against everybody but the AL East.

+18 outside the division, -17 inside the division.

Unfortunately, they have more games remaining within the division. Something better change!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 26, 2022, 08:34:29 AM
The Red Sox can win against everybody but the AL East.

+18 outside the division, -17 inside the division.

Unfortunately, they have more games remaining within the division. Something better change!
Sure. Starting tonight they can begin losing games outside the division.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2022, 09:59:01 AM
The Red Sox can win against everybody but the AL East.

+18 outside the division, -17 inside the division.

Unfortunately, they have more games remaining within the division. Something better change!
Sure. Starting tonight they can begin losing games outside the division.

You can hope.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 26, 2022, 11:09:41 AM
Balanced schedule - 
12 games in division (48)
10 game vs each - outside division, in league  (100)
3 games vs opposite league teams, alternating divisions (15)
Total 163
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 26, 2022, 12:18:38 PM
The Red Sox can win against everybody but the AL East.

+18 outside the division, -17 inside the division.

Unfortunately, they have more games remaining within the division. Something better change!
Sure. Starting tonight they can begin losing games outside the division.

You can hope.
It is what I have. I would feel better if today was not bull pen day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2022, 02:25:47 PM
The Red Sox can win against everybody but the AL East.

+18 outside the division, -17 inside the division.

Unfortunately, they have more games remaining within the division. Something better change!
Sure. Starting tonight they can begin losing games outside the division.

You can hope.
It is what I have. I would feel better if today was not bull pen day.

For most of our 17 game sojourn against our division-mates, it felt as if nearly every day was a bullpen day, but without a bullpen.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 26, 2022, 04:04:30 PM
Hate you MFs that sour on your team and then just make jokes.

You re IN THE RACE, idiot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2022, 06:34:59 PM
Hate you MFs that sour on your team and then just make jokes.

You re IN THE RACE, idiot.

You're not worth the energy of hating.

And somebody who lost - and not by a close margin - who has spent 20 months lying about how his side was cheated has no basis for grumbling about people complaining about their own side's failings.

It's true that both teams are in the race, but through no fault of the Beantowners is that the current case.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 26, 2022, 07:51:54 PM
I didn't say you hated anyone
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 26, 2022, 10:14:39 PM
I didn't say you hated anyone

I was offering, without your saying anything about my hating, why I don't hate you.

You can thank me or not - it would be out of character for you to do so.

The rest of what I said about you stands.\
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 27, 2022, 11:15:14 AM
It's funny you think I complain about the 2020 Presidential election.

Your debate loving ass would love that do be true.  Just isn't so.   Always looking forward.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 27, 2022, 12:20:58 PM
It's funny you think I complain about the 2020 Presidential election.

Your debate loving ass would love that do be true.  Just isn't so.   Always looking forward.

Read any of your mealy-mouthed answers about who won the 2020 election.

Or don't.

I don't expect honesty from you any more than from Ward.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 27, 2022, 12:22:53 PM
The Red Sox can win against everybody but the AL East.

+18 outside the division, -17 inside the division.

Unfortunately, they have more games remaining within the division. Something better change!
Sure. Starting tonight they can begin losing games outside the division.

You can hope.
It is what I have. I would feel better if today was not bull pen day.

Your bullpen beat our fielders and bullpen pretty handily. The umping chipped in, but it is likely not to have mattered.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 27, 2022, 09:41:15 PM
Have I mentioned how much I despise Franchy Cordero as a baseball player?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 27, 2022, 10:36:44 PM
Have I mentioned how much I despise Franchy Cordero as a baseball player?

2 unearned runs. Should have been 3. Guardians only had 1 unearned run given up.

Eovaldi wasn't sharp, but with that "defense" behind him, who can blame him?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 28, 2022, 10:14:17 PM
Lets see....

Beni,then Judge.  Then Rizzo

Lets have our lefthander start the ninth

Beni wiped away, we pitch around Judge then attack Rizzo.

Right?

Riiiiiiight????????

Dumb asses.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on July 29, 2022, 01:12:54 PM
I expect the Red Sox pitching staff to be decimated by deadline deals
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 29, 2022, 02:31:52 PM
Congratulations to David Ortiz on his day of enshrinement in baseball's Hall of Fame.

An honor well deserved for the outsized slugger and personality who was magnificent when the stakes were highest.

The man was a lot of fun to watch.

Not every PED user gets in to the HOF. But some do. Piazza, Ortiz...

All you have to do is kiss the media's ass, which they both did.

Fuck the Hall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 29, 2022, 02:58:59 PM
I expect the Red Sox pitching staff to be decimated by deadline deals


Lets go!!!!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 29, 2022, 08:34:13 PM
Congratulations to David Ortiz on his day of enshrinement in baseball's Hall of Fame.

An honor well deserved for the outsized slugger and personality who was magnificent when the stakes were highest.

The man was a lot of fun to watch.

Not every PED user gets in to the HOF. But some do. Piazza, Ortiz...

All you have to do is kiss the media's ass, which they both did.

Fuck the Hall.

Ortiz convicted in the Court of Ham.

Nowhere else.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 29, 2022, 09:35:31 PM
how do we not have anybody to pinch hit for a batter hitting .100?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 30, 2022, 12:43:49 PM
Congratulations to David Ortiz on his day of enshrinement in baseball's Hall of Fame.

An honor well deserved for the outsized slugger and personality who was magnificent when the stakes were highest.

The man was a lot of fun to watch.

Not every PED user gets in to the HOF. But some do. Piazza, Ortiz...

All you have to do is kiss the media's ass, which they both did.

Fuck the Hall.

Ortiz convicted in the Court of Ham.

Nowhere else.


https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335)


But I guess you don't believe the Times.

Heh
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 30, 2022, 02:14:41 PM
Today I was informed by a reporter that I was on the 2003 list of MLB players to test positive for performance enhancing substances. This happened right before our game, and the news blindsided me.

 I want to talk about this situation and I will as soon as I have more answers. In the meantime I want to let you know how I am approaching this situation. One, I have already contacted the Players Association to confirm if this report is true. I have just been told that the report is true. Based on the way I have lived my life, I am surprised to learn I tested positive.

 Two, I will find out what I tested positive for. And, three, based on whatever I learn, I will share this information with my club and the public. You know me  I will not hide and I will not make excuses.




- David Ortiz



Good enough for me then, good enough for me now.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2022, 02:18:38 PM
Agreed!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 30, 2022, 07:59:52 PM
Congratulations to David Ortiz on his day of enshrinement in baseball's Hall of Fame.

An honor well deserved for the outsized slugger and personality who was magnificent when the stakes were highest.

The man was a lot of fun to watch.

Not every PED user gets in to the HOF. But some do. Piazza, Ortiz...

All you have to do is kiss the media's ass, which they both did.

Fuck the Hall.

Ortiz convicted in the Court of Ham.

Nowhere else.


https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335 (https://www.espn.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335)


But I guess you don't believe the Times.

Heh

You want to relitigate this, 19 years after the alleged event?

The Times said his name was on a list they were given.

They didn't do the test.

MLB had the test done.

They said it was not conclusive that Ortiz was one who used as the list included 10 false positives and they don't know who they were.

usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2016/10/02/rob-manfred-david-ortiz-drug-test-hall-of-fame/91442256/

Guilty only in the Court of Ham.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2022, 06:40:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eoro-V97l0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eoro-V97l0)


https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2013/07/29/david-ortiz-career-freakout-highlights/ (https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2013/07/29/david-ortiz-career-freakout-highlights/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6MP2wC98p0&t=3s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6MP2wC98p0&t=3s)


Roids.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 31, 2022, 06:49:04 PM
Red Sox in last place, now, too.

Go, O's!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on July 31, 2022, 07:10:31 PM
Red Sox in last place, now, too.

Go, O's!

Old news.

And closer to 4th than at the start of the day.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 31, 2022, 07:17:50 PM
Joey!!!!!

Go for that draft pick, yo!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2022, 11:30:26 AM
Phils get the Pittsburgh sweep, and are catching up with San Diego. Just keep winning series. In Atlanta for 2, then home for 4 v the Nats.

And will there be any changes on the squad before tomorrow's trade deadline? With Edmundo Sosa now on the squad, and Jean Seguro coming back, and Stott playing good D, the pressure is on DD Gregorius to perform. He's stepped up his defense the last few days, and his base-running and hitting. Funny how a little scare about losing his spot in the line-up can make a player better. Castellanos starting to hit with men on base. Hoskins heating up again, JT hitting, and the Bohminator went 4-for-5 Sunday, finishing the month of July with a .434 batting average, and bringing his season average to .299.

The pen is doing their job (except for Familia), and the starters are going deep enough to spell them.

The team has gelled, even without Harper, and that's a good thing, because Harper will come back down the stretch, possibly before the end of this critical month.

For August, they play 21 games against sub-.500 teams. and 14 of those are at home. This is their month to make it happen, and they are trending in the right direction.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 01, 2022, 02:36:16 PM
Its St Louis that Phils are looking to beat out.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 01, 2022, 02:43:18 PM
Have to also catch the BRAVES to get the three game playoff series at home

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/mlb/news/mlb-expanded-playoffs-postseason-2022-teams/sayv4pysmmlopks7hg2o2lbv
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2022, 03:24:06 PM
Its St Louis that Phils are looking to beat out.

It's okay for you to set your sights that low.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 01, 2022, 03:44:40 PM
 Hader goes to the Padres: https://www.mlb.com/news/josh-hader-traded-to-padres (https://www.mlb.com/news/josh-hader-traded-to-padres)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 01, 2022, 06:08:01 PM
Its St Louis that Phils are looking to beat out.

It's okay for you to set your sights that low.

Might do better to finish sixth (at MIL) than fifth (at ATL).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 01, 2022, 08:33:41 PM
No more Vazquez. A couple prospects.

No more Diekman. A new catcher who is decidedly a downgrade.

Add Tommy Pham, a .236 hitter this year. Details still to come.

So far, I am unenthused.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 01, 2022, 10:25:50 PM
Why do we still have Cordero screwing up the outfield?

Where is Tommy Pham when we need him? Or Rob Refsnyder?!

Or Pedro Castellanos, for heaven's sake!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 02, 2022, 11:33:57 AM
Red Sox taking a quick look at PHAM, who they can have next year for 6 mil (1.5 buyout)

What do you foresee as their 2023 outfield, left to right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 02, 2022, 12:21:26 PM
Soto AND Bell to the Padres! Wow!!!

https://sports.yahoo.com/nationals-trade-juan-soto-to-padres-alongside-josh-bell-in-monumental-mlb-trade-deadline-deal-154854121.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/nationals-trade-juan-soto-to-padres-alongside-josh-bell-in-monumental-mlb-trade-deadline-deal-154854121.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 02, 2022, 12:30:09 PM
Mistake is taking Bell for Hosmer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 02, 2022, 12:44:14 PM
Mistake is taking Bell for Hosmer.

I think they'll get over that.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 02, 2022, 01:18:35 PM
LA and NY still better
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 01:51:53 PM
Red Sox taking a quick look at PHAM, who they can have next year for 6 mil (1.5 buyout)

What do you foresee as their 2023 outfield, left to right?

Benintendi, Bradley, and Betts?

Verdugo, Hernandez, and Renfroe?

Cordero, Duran, and Refsnyder?

Pham hasn't been worth much since leaving TB 3 years ago. It is telling that his hitting would be a huge upgrade over JBJ and somewhat over Cordero. For that matter, it's better than Kike's has been for 3 of the last 4 years.

I have no idea what next year's outfield will look like, given Bloom's trades and the current mix of players we have.

Just none.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 05:24:39 PM
Upgrade at 1B for the Red Sox:
https://www.mlb.com/news/eric-hosmer-rejects-trade-to-nationals

Still no idea what the Sox are giving up in this trade - part of me expects it to be one of our better starting pitchers.

Does Dalbec learn to play the outfield? Arm's strong enough, but I think he's way too slow. 3rd base for the time being, while we wait for Dever's return, with Arroyo moved to 2nd?

Who knows. But I can hope this is the end of the Cordero at 1st Base experiment...

once Hosmer recovers from his neck strain, that is.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 02, 2022, 05:40:48 PM
Phillies trade deadline updates: Philly acquires Brandon Marsh, David Robertson.

DFA Herrera and Familia. And reported to be down to just them and the Jays for Syndergaard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 02, 2022, 06:23:36 PM
Ia a move that reshapes the AL Central, Cleveland has traded ian Leon to Minnesota for Sandy Hamilton. I may have those names wrong but I do not think it really matters.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
Ia a move that reshapes the AL Central, Cleveland has traded ian Leon to Minnesota for Sandy Hamilton. I may have those names wrong but I do not think it really matters.

gasp!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 07:11:02 PM
Upgrade at 1B for the Red Sox:
https://www.mlb.com/news/eric-hosmer-rejects-trade-to-nationals

Still no idea what the Sox are giving up in this trade - part of me expects it to be one of our better starting pitchers.

Does Dalbec learn to play the outfield? Arm's strong enough, but I think he's way too slow. 3rd base for the time being, while we wait for Dever's return, with Arroyo moved to 2nd?

Who knows. But I can hope this is the end of the Cordero at 1st Base experiment...

once Hosmer recovers from his neck strain, that is.

We sent our #11 prospect. They sent their #11 and #26 prospects. They apparently also sent money to help pay for Hosmer's salary.

He can live in Acton, MA:

https://www.actonhistoricalsociety.org/hosmer-house.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2022, 07:43:37 PM
Damn good Sox infield next year if Xander stays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 08:07:59 PM
Damn good Sox infield next year if Xander stays.

And if Story recovers.

Cassas will be there if he can get his AAA hitting up to align with everything before - or if he comes up and does it at the Major League level.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2022, 09:33:02 PM
Over Hosmer?  Get out a town.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 10:15:12 PM
Over Hosmer?  Get out a town.

If Hosmer hits at Fenway and the AL East parks as he has in his career, then nobody is moving him out of the line-up. And if JD is not back next year, the DH spot will need filling.

I don't know what change he made, but if he can keep his numbers vs. lefties up and return his numbers vs. righties back to where they have usually been, then I'll have no complaints.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 11:40:23 PM
The Post-Vazquez Red Sox are a lot better with Pham in the outfield instead of Cordero. And with Devers in the line-up instead of not!

Hey, tomorrow, maybe both Devers and Bogaerts!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 02, 2022, 11:41:04 PM
Goodbye, Vin Scully.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on August 03, 2022, 02:27:34 AM
So the Red Sox pitching  staff which would have trouble in a beer league trades away one of them.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2022, 03:19:41 AM
So the Red Sox pitching  staff which would have trouble in a beer league trades away one of them.

Groom wasn't going to impact this year's team or if he was then we would have been in more trouble than he could have helped to solve!

Bloom says:
Quote
"I think there's a lot of different things we were trying to accomplish. We wanted to give this group a chance at the postseason," said Bloom. "I do think they have that chance. People who felt this group was good enough to make a run at it a few days ago, in my opinion, should still feel that way. This group looks a little different, but I don't think it
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2022, 12:28:20 PM
Trade deadline winners, losers

https://sports.yahoo.com/2022-mlb-trade-deadline-winners-and-losers-juan-soto-the-astros-and-one-rebuilding-team-come-out-ahead-023518637.html
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2022, 12:30:34 PM
Castillo vs Cole playoff preview today
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 03, 2022, 03:26:20 PM
Another day, another injured pitcher for the Red Sox.

Castillo vs Cole playoff preview today

Looks like Castillo got the better of this one, though it's out of Castillo's hands now, at 7-3.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2022, 05:56:15 PM
Orioles Rays Guardians White Sox Twins win again

Crazy AL
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 04, 2022, 06:49:50 PM
Didi Gregorius and Jackie Bradley Jr. were both released today. Does a team pick up either one?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 04, 2022, 08:55:09 PM
So, ultimately, Bloom traded Renfroe for half a year of JBJ and traded 957 PA of Benintendi's for 380 PA of Cordero's.

Extra defensive adventures from Cordero, too.

I will hope that Pham and Hosmer work out better than JBJ and Franchy did. Unlikely to be substantially worse.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 05, 2022, 09:15:05 AM
Thor got his first win in a Philly uniform, last night. If you believe in omens, then it was no coincidence that thunder and lightning shortened the game to a 4 1/2 inning win over the Nats, with Hoskins and Bohm leading the way, and Castellanos saving it with a putout and throw to home to cut down the tying run.

The God of Thunder chatted it up with the Gods of Baseball and the Phightin's came away with their 34th win against 19 losses since Joey G was shown the door. Rob Thomson has this club playing at a .640 win clip, and that's with Harper sidelined.


But fear is at the root of many a Phillies phanatic, and I heard one lifer say, "Yeah, watch them lose it during the last series of the year, when they have to play the Astros, who are fighting for that best record in the AL vs the Yanks."

Some folks can't enjoy the ride.

But for me, this has been one of the more entertaining seasons to observe. And it's great knowing that Thomson (Son of Canada) could go across the street and maybe help coach the Flyers, too, because they really need it!!!

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 05, 2022, 05:37:52 PM
Nice to see Phils finally had use for Mickey Moniak.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 06, 2022, 11:02:12 AM
O's, White Sox, Phils win again.  Red Sox show some hope?

(Baltimore 2 back of Tampa, 1.5 back of Seattle)

(Philly and MIL/STL pull even in loss column with San Diego Sotos)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 06, 2022, 11:41:02 AM
Gibson pitched into the 8th, with lots of run support. Another win today, is another series win.

Corbin v Suarez.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 06, 2022, 01:30:23 PM
Rob Thomson has already made a good argument for MOY. When he took over the team was SIX games under .500, and now they are 10 games over .500 and in the Wild card mix.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 06, 2022, 07:46:20 PM
Bad enough we have to listen to Dave O attempt to gowdy us into submission, but can't the fucking director have the camera that is following the PLAY be the one we are seeing at home?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 07, 2022, 09:46:25 AM
ahhh hell Red Sox - ya had me believin.

Have to run off 5 straight  at some point

Will be watching

O's to make a run minus Mancini and others?  Great story - but in the end may signal some silliness in their ranks for having  dealt the players
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2022, 04:50:36 PM
Back-to-back "triples" that Duran could not handle.

But the four walks around a single given up by Darwinzon Hernandez were beyond our fielders' ability to prevent. The man's ERA came in at \14.29, but he has managed to raise it up over 17.00, so far with the bases loaded and nobody out. Austin Davis will try to hold it to that, but it's tough.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
Hate you MFs that sour on your team and then just make jokes.

You re IN THE RACE, idiot.

It's true that both teams are in the race, but through no fault of the Beantowners is that the current case.

Remember this exchange, Kid?

I had a better handle on this Red Sox team than you did.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2022, 04:57:26 PM
Back-to-back "triples" that Duran could not handle.

But the four walks around a single given up by Darwinzon Hernandez were beyond our fielders' ability to prevent. The man's ERA came in at 14.29, but he has managed to raise it up over 17.00, so far with the bases loaded and nobody out. Austin Davis will try to hold it to that, but it's tough.

New ERA: 22.24
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 07, 2022, 05:06:56 PM
Mets are getting lots of breaks in this series, some they've made, and others like weird hops, infield hits, etc.. and their fans are going to be true-believers after this series, if they win it, today.

But..if the Braves win tonight, well, all the anxiety renews in Queens.

Meanwhile, the Phillies won game number 10 of the last 11. Rhys Hoskins homered for the 4th game in a row, Darick Hall has 2 homers in the game, today. Callup Nick Maton has homered, 3 hits and 4 rbis. Newcomer Brandon Marsh is 2 for 4 and a run scored and an rbi. SS Stott 2 -5 2 runs scored and 3 rbis...

And Rob Thomson has his team playing at a .666 clip since the beginning of July.

What's good about all this is the team knows it can win with Harper sidelined, and he's coming back in September, if not before.

4-game sweep of the Nats is done.

Marlins are in for 3 before the series next weekend in Queens.

Just keep winning series.


Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 07, 2022, 05:26:16 PM
It's nice when the minor leaguers come to town
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 07, 2022, 06:59:10 PM
It's nice when the minor leaguers come to town

The "minor leaguers came to town" at the end of June and it really hasn't been that nice.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 07, 2022, 10:45:10 PM
It's nice when the minor leaguers come to town

The "minor leaguers came to town" at the end of June and it really hasn't been that nice.

heh

Dunce - that was response to the post above it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2022, 03:20:32 AM
It's nice when the minor leaguers come to town

The "minor leaguers came to town" at the end of June and it really hasn't been that nice.

heh

Dunce - that was response to the post above it.

I don't really care, Kid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on August 08, 2022, 01:15:22 PM
Pete Rose. Still an unrepentant pig 50 years later Babe. What a poor excuse of a man
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2022, 01:58:56 PM
Pete Rose. Still an unrepentant pig 50 years later Babe. What a poor excuse of a man

5 years ago, he claimed she was 16.

What would you expect him to say now?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 08, 2022, 10:12:59 PM
Baltimore just three back of Toronto.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 08, 2022, 10:21:28 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/dennis-eckersley-announces-retirement-from-red-sox-booth

That's too bad for us, especially coming on the heels of Remy's death. It explains even more about the merry-go-round we've had in the booth, as they try to find an ex-player with as much appeal as Eck has had.

I suspect, from what I have heard, that we are going to be out of luck in that regard.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 09, 2022, 04:54:19 PM
Probably too cheap to pay some of the guys that would be good.   
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 09, 2022, 06:20:55 PM
Probably too cheap to pay some of the guys that would be good.

The vacuum makes a lot of sound, but with nothing but sucking involved.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 09, 2022, 06:21:40 PM
https://www.mlb.com/redsox/news/chris-sale-to-miss-rest-of-2022-season

Broke his wrist in a bike accident.

At this point, he should be refunding money.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 09, 2022, 06:31:50 PM
https://www.mlb.com/redsox/news/chris-sale-to-miss-rest-of-2022-season

Broke his wrist in a bike accident.

At this point, he should be refunding money.

"You couldn't make this up, right?" chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said. "We need to dispatch some people to go find whoever has the Chris Sale voodoo doll and recover it."

"Whomever," Chaim.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 09, 2022, 08:36:50 PM
Wonder how long Hosmer will be out.

And why is Plawecki catching? I get that he could be an occasional back-up, but this is his 4th start since we got McGuire, who hits better and catches at least as well. And he's been throwing out about a third of the runners trying to steal, while Plawecki gets 10%.

Meanwhile, JBJ has signed with the Blue Jays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 09, 2022, 10:48:35 PM
Come on, Sox. Win it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 09, 2022, 10:52:28 PM
Phils win again. Keith Hernandez upset.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 09, 2022, 11:02:11 PM
Come on, Sox. Win it.

We're trying to lose it and to win it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 09, 2022, 11:18:21 PM
Come on, Sox. Win it.

Didnt IBB Riley with 2 on.....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2022, 12:20:32 AM
Baltimore is now a half game out of the WC chase and only 2 behind TB for first place in the WC.

Only 13 behind the Yankees...who won for a change, but about whom nobody is suggesting a best ever season.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2022, 07:43:28 AM
 The Yankees lost
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 10, 2022, 10:25:00 AM
Lost their MINDS on the bases.   IKF fails on a bunt.  Only time across three extra frames Boone considered the sac.  Cole was excellent, as was Chapman (again).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2022, 05:02:06 PM
(https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/9-BwVa7JXPG-kwdLbWr-EQrPJfY=/800x800/smart/filters:format(webp)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/pmn/LWJ6GR3RJFA6TNHSC6GN4EGRTE.jpg)

https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/keith-hernandez-phillies-hate-broadcast-games-mets-20220810.html (https://www.inquirer.com/phillies/keith-hernandez-phillies-hate-broadcast-games-mets-20220810.html)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2022, 06:51:46 PM
Baltimore is now tied for the 3rd WC. 1 behind Seattle, 2 behind TB, whom they are playing. A half-game ahead of Min and Cle who are tied atop the Central.

Pretty exciting last 50 games or so.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2022, 09:56:07 PM
Schwarber leads a great CFBW vs the best pitcher in the NL, Sandy Alcantara.

Another win. Another series win. 13 -2 in the last 15 games.

Keep it going.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2022, 10:12:22 PM
Schwarber leads a great CFBW vs the best pitcher in the NL, Sandy Alcantara.

Another win. Another series win. 13 -2 in the last 15 games.

Keep it going.

Why can't we get players like that?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 10, 2022, 10:16:45 PM
Schwarber leads a great CFBW vs the best pitcher in the NL, Sandy Alcantara.

Another win. Another series win. 13 -2 in the last 15 games.

Keep it going.

Why can't we get players like that?

You don't treat them well enough. That's why Arod went to the Bronx.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 10, 2022, 10:45:39 PM
Schwarber leads a great CFBW vs the best pitcher in the NL, Sandy Alcantara.

Another win. Another series win. 13 -2 in the last 15 games.

Keep it going.

Why can't we get players like that?

You don't treat them well enough. That's why Arod went to the Bronx.

Nah. That one is on the MLBPA.

https://www.sportscasting.com/alex-rodriguez-got-bombed-threw-up-streets-new-york-after-learning-dream-trade-boston-red-sox-nixed-mlbpa/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 11, 2022, 12:31:32 PM
What six states have no professional baseball team?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 11, 2022, 10:26:31 PM
The Red Sox won their first "series" of the year against an AL East club!

I had been sorely tempted to tune in the Field of Dreams game, instead.

https://www.mlb.com/news/ken-griffey-father-son-catch-field-of-dreams-game

Tough call.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 12, 2022, 07:42:14 AM
Schwarber leads a great CFBW vs the best pitcher in the NL, Sandy Alcantara.

Another win. Another series win. 13 -2 in the last 15 games.

Keep it going.

Why can't we get players like that?

You don't treat them well enough. That's why Arod went to the Bronx.

Nah. That one is on the MLBPA.

https://www.sportscasting.com/alex-rodriguez-got-bombed-threw-up-streets-new-york-after-learning-dream-trade-boston-red-sox-nixed-mlbpa/

If you paid him properly, the MLBPA wouldn't have been involved.

So, like I said, you don't treat them well enough.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2022, 11:05:30 AM
Schwarber leads a great CFBW vs the best pitcher in the NL, Sandy Alcantara.

Another win. Another series win. 13 -2 in the last 15 games.

Keep it going.

Why can't we get players like that?

You don't treat them well enough. That's why Arod went to the Bronx.

Nah. That one is on the MLBPA.

https://www.sportscasting.com/alex-rodriguez-got-bombed-threw-up-streets-new-york-after-learning-dream-trade-boston-red-sox-nixed-mlbpa/

If you paid him properly, the MLBPA wouldn't have been involved.

So, like I said, you don't treat them well enough.

If he was satisfied, then he was being treated well enough.

Your opinion doesn't matter. And the MLBPA's shouldn't have.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 12, 2022, 12:03:35 PM
Schwarber leads a great CFBW vs the best pitcher in the NL, Sandy Alcantara.

Another win. Another series win. 13 -2 in the last 15 games.

Keep it going.

Why can't we get players like that?

You don't treat them well enough. That's why Arod went to the Bronx.

Nah. That one is on the MLBPA.

https://www.sportscasting.com/alex-rodriguez-got-bombed-threw-up-streets-new-york-after-learning-dream-trade-boston-red-sox-nixed-mlbpa/

If you paid him properly, the MLBPA wouldn't have been involved.

So, like I said, you don't treat them well enough.

I think A-Rod wanted the opt out - so it wasnt just a matter of Red Sox paying the freight.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 12, 2022, 12:38:47 PM
Schwarber out tonight -  may miss all three with Mets
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 12, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Schwarber out tonight -  may miss all three with Mets

Another break for the Mets.

They've been getting a lot of them lately.

Then again, no one has won anything, yet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 12, 2022, 10:02:13 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/sport/padres-fernando-tatis-jr-suspended-mlb/index.html

Tatis suspended for 80 games - performance enhancing substance(s).
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 13, 2022, 09:02:08 AM
Couple of great games against NY teams, last night. A FUNDAMENTALLY SOUND WIN in Citi Field for the Phightin's and a Bosox extra-inning win against the flagging Bombers.

Keep it going, everyone. A series win by both Boston and Philly will send the NY baseball fans into a tizzy.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 13, 2022, 09:09:18 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/sport/padres-fernando-tatis-jr-suspended-mlb/index.html

Tatis suspended for 80 games - performance enhancing substance(s).

Well, he and Big Papi, HOF PED user, have that Dominican thing going on, so this is no surprise.

Dominicans are among the highest PED users.

It's what they do.

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 13, 2022, 05:17:29 PM
I just finished Won in the Ninth by Christy Mathewson.

I'd not realized that he was an author during his pitching days, but it looks as if he wrote at least a dozen books then and later, mostly for children.

In this, his first book (1910, when he was 30), he talks about "inside baseball" and the importance of "signals." Won in the Ninth follows the Lowell University team through a season, from January through June. I am sure, given the title of the book, that you cannot guess how their season ends!

https://archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Mathewson%2C+Christy%2C+1880-1925%22 has many of his books for free reading.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 13, 2022, 07:00:28 PM
I would imagine that Mathewson, by all accounts a very smart man, nevertheless used a ghostwriter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 13, 2022, 08:04:43 PM
I would imagine that Mathewson, by all accounts a very smart man, nevertheless used a ghostwriter.

I hope not! Some of it is... not what I would hope for from a ghost writer.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 13, 2022, 09:58:32 PM
Great game at Citi Field tonight. Nola pitched a complete game gem, and lost to the Mets 1-0, on a flare to right field in the first inning. deGrom pitched his usual 6 innings, and Diaz looked human in the ninth, but held on for the save.

At any rate, the Phightins have showed they're not intimidated, and they toss Wheeler (who has been recently described as deGrom Lite) tomorrow in the rubber match.

Best series in MLB this season...so far.

And refreshing to see these games, with great pitching, well played defense (the double play in the 8th by the Phils was brilliant), and all in  2.5 hours.

Fundamentally, another great game. Hoping for another one tomorrow. Too bad Keith Hernandez is missing out.



Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2022, 04:49:23 PM
Eight innings of perfect ball, then a clean double on the first pitch of the 9th. Not bad, Drew Rasmussen of the Rays.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2022, 05:19:05 PM
MLB (dot) com headline of the day:

Pujols adds home runs 668 and 689 to his career total
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 14, 2022, 07:17:59 PM
Man - those Phils are tough.  How did Mets get out of that with 2 wins?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 14, 2022, 09:32:16 PM
(a) The Red Sox have now won a series against an AL East opponent. The 1 game with the Orioles was not a series.

(b) 2 hours, 15 minutes, for an entire Red Sox - Yankees game! I wonder when the last time they managed that was, without rain.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 15, 2022, 11:26:19 AM

Man - those Phils are tough.  How did Mets get out of that with 2 wins?
Mets blooped their way to a series win. Only two hard hit balls in three games.

Takes luck to win, sometimes.

See ya next weekend in Philly, Metsies.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 15, 2022, 01:54:08 PM
OK, Strider.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 15, 2022, 11:15:29 PM
TB with a nice shutout of the Yankees tonight.

The Yankees have had 24 hits and 5 runs in the last 37 innings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2022, 09:23:25 AM
Benintendi has two two-hit games - out of SEVENTEEN.  That's good, right?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2022, 12:53:21 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/08/16/fernando-tatis-father-blames-haircut-for-padres-suspension/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app&fbclid=IwAR3Jba8m3Wbw5vac5Rqgy-QWJpLvrDwLegXNVo3y22I2z4vUbwtE5niaphw
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 16, 2022, 01:03:26 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/08/16/fernando-tatis-father-blames-haircut-for-padres-suspension/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app&fbclid=IwAR3Jba8m3Wbw5vac5Rqgy-QWJpLvrDwLegXNVo3y22I2z4vUbwtE5niaphw

The companion story, linked within that one, which explains why Tatis' and his father's explanation is just wrong was helpful.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/13/fernando-tatis-jr-offers-ridiculous-lie-as-excuse-for-cheating/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 16, 2022, 02:45:37 PM
So how did he take the drug?

Heyman?

Josh?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 16, 2022, 07:04:31 PM
So how did he take the drug?

Heyman?

Josh?

I don't think Tatis has a h(e)yman.

And we have no idea how he did, merely how he didn't.

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/sports/padres/story/2022-08-12/san-diego-padres-fernando-tatis-clostebol-testosterone-anabolic-steroid-banned-substance
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 16, 2022, 09:47:11 PM
Solid game by Pivetta. Relief had a hiccup in the 8th, but the Bostonians survived it.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 16, 2022, 10:02:37 PM
TB with a nice shutout of the Yankees tonight.

The Yankees have had 24 hits and 5 runs in the last 37 innings.

Make that 28 hits and 6 runs in the last 46 innings.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 17, 2022, 11:53:22 AM
Hey - good counting by you.

----

I have to say - the new playoff format is already producing excellent results - with interesting wild card races (and a CLEAR benefit to winning division) to be followed by 4 intense first round 3-game playoff series.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 17, 2022, 12:19:23 PM
Astros have home field advantage now, Yankees fans.

Phils with the lopsided win in Cincy last night led by Kyle Gibson's 11 K's and the team's 18 hit attack. Rhys Hoskins had 2 homers and 5 rbis. Hoskins now has a season total of 26 homers. He is only the fourth MLB player with four seasons of 26 or more homers since 2018. The others are Judge, Goldschmidt, and teammate Kyle Schwarber.

Schwarber remains out of the lineup with that calf strain. Calf injuries are tough to heal from, so that could be a big deal going into September.


One final note, the Phils finally reached the 10,000 win level. The last team to do so of those who were around in the 19th century.






Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2022, 01:23:52 PM
Astros have home field advantage now, Yankees fans.

Phils with the lopsided win in Cincy last night led by Kyle Gibson's 11 K's and the team's 18 hit attack. Rhys Hoskins had 2 homers and 5 rbis. Hoskins now has a season total of 26 homers. He is only the fourth MLB player with four seasons of 26 or more homers since 2018. The others are Judge, Goldschmidt, and teammate Kyle Schwarber.

Schwarber remains out of the lineup with that calf strain. Calf injuries are tough to heal from, so that could be a big deal going into September.


One final note, the Phils finally reached the 10,000 win level. The last team to do so of those who were around in the 19th century.

I hope Schwarber rejoins the lineup soon!

The role of expansion teams is clear when one realizes that the Phillies are the only one of those original teams with a record below .500!

The Yankees have more wins than the Phils, despite the delayed start. Seems likely that they will pass the Pirates, Reds, and even the Braves in the relatively near future. The Pirates may join the Phils in sub-.500 land.

The Red Sox are likely next to pass 10,000 wins. Based on the current versions of each, they seem unlikely to pass the Phillies soon in total wins, but it is hard to project longer term.

If they can keep up their current pace, the Astros will be the first of the expansion teams to be net positive for their history.

Thanks for the lead to the issue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_all-time_Major_League_Baseball_win%E2%80%93loss_records
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 17, 2022, 02:59:28 PM
Blame Buster Posey. This is the second time in a week that a player who was out has been ruled safe by a liberal application of the Posey rule.

https://www.mlb.com/news/austin-hedges-guardians-fall-after-overturned-call (https://www.mlb.com/news/austin-hedges-guardians-fall-after-overturned-call)


I really miss the old days, like Willie Mays Rocketting his way to home plate against Pat Corrales: (https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/willie-mays-and-pat-corrales-falling-bettmann.jpg)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2022, 03:02:43 PM
And if a player gets knocked unconscious on the play, well, that's what they get for putting their head there.

In both plays the runner was safe. In one play, the catcher is uninjured.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2022, 04:38:44 PM
Orioles/Blue Jays game is worth tuning into now - 6th inning and Stripling is being ignored in the dugout.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 17, 2022, 05:36:25 PM
And if a player gets knocked unconscious on the play, well, that's what they get for putting their head there.

In both plays the runner was safe. In one play, the catcher is uninjured.

I don't know what plays you're looking at, but you're wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 17, 2022, 05:45:07 PM
And if a player gets knocked unconscious on the play, well, that's what they get for putting their head there.

In both plays the runner was safe. In one play, the catcher is uninjured.

I don't know what plays you're looking at, but you're wrong.

The picture you linked ended up with Mays safe, after initially being called out.

Corrales let go of the ball because he was knocked out.

Quote
(Original Caption) San Francisco Giant's Willie Mays collides with Phillies Pat Corrales at home plate here, on a play in which Allen threw wild past 1st and Callison retrieved the ball and threw it to the plate. Umpire Augie Donatelli first called Mays out, then reversed call as Corrales who was knocked out on the play dropped the ball.

Perhaps you are thinking of a different play.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2022, 12:23:57 AM
Great double come-from-behind win tonight for the Yankees. They fought back from down 4-0 to tie it in the 8th, then fell behind 7-4 in the 10th inning. A grand slam by Donaldson in the bottom of the 10th took care of that.

Red Sox pulled back to .500 with a solid, if not stress-free 8-3 win over the Pirates.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 18, 2022, 12:36:18 AM
BIG NIGHT, New York.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2022, 12:04:33 PM
And if a player gets knocked unconscious on the play, well, that's what they get for putting their head there.

In both plays the runner was safe. In one play, the catcher is uninjured.

I don't know what plays you're looking at, but you're wrong.

The picture you linked ended up with Mays safe, after initially being called out.

Corrales let go of the ball because he was knocked out.

Quote
(Original Caption) San Francisco Giant's Willie Mays collides with Phillies Pat Corrales at home plate here, on a play in which Allen threw wild past 1st and Callison retrieved the ball and threw it to the plate. Umpire Augie Donatelli first called Mays out, then reversed call as Corrales who was knocked out on the play dropped the ball.

Perhaps you are thinking of a different play.


I was at the Mays game, He was never called safe. The writer got it wrong.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2022, 12:05:00 PM
https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/private/t_16x9/t_w1536/mlb/c0judjohje8dbby4muvv.jpg (https://img.mlbstatic.com/mlb-images/image/private/t_16x9/t_w1536/mlb/c0judjohje8dbby4muvv.jpg)

Prepare for the fall.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2022, 01:21:54 PM
And if a player gets knocked unconscious on the play, well, that's what they get for putting their head there.

In both plays the runner was safe. In one play, the catcher is uninjured.

I don't know what plays you're looking at, but you're wrong.

The picture you linked ended up with Mays safe, after initially being called out.

Corrales let go of the ball because he was knocked out.

Quote
(Original Caption) San Francisco Giant's Willie Mays collides with Phillies Pat Corrales at home plate here, on a play in which Allen threw wild past 1st and Callison retrieved the ball and threw it to the plate. Umpire Augie Donatelli first called Mays out, then reversed call as Corrales who was knocked out on the play dropped the ball.

Perhaps you are thinking of a different play.


I was at the Mays game, He was never called safe. The writer got it wrong.

You may have been there, but it sure looks like your memory is off or you were on an alternate Earth.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI196507100.shtml

The play-by-play shows Mays as safe, scoring a run on the error by Corrales, with Corrales replaced at Catcher.

Top of the 1st inning; Here's the description from SABR (dot) org:
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Corrales was involved in a memorable collision at home plate on July 10. In the first inning of a game at Connie Mack Stadium, the San Francisco Giants' Willie Mays slid into Corrales, who was blocking the plate, knocking Corrales out and gashing Corrales' neck with his spikes. "Mays was the only guy I've ever seen who seemed to be faster sliding than running," said Giants broadcaster Lon Simmons. "That was in Philadelphia and the fans are pretty rough there. Willie stayed down on the ground. He pretended he was hurt, too, so the fans wouldn't get on his case so bad."2 Corrales was removed from the game, and Mays, hurt or not, did not take the field for the bottom of the inning. Corrales was back in action five days later, starting a game at Cincinnati and going 3-for-3.

https://sabr.org/bioproj/person/pat-corrales/#:~:text=Corrales%20was%20involved%20in%20a,Corrales'%20neck%20with%20his%20spikes.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 18, 2022, 01:24:18 PM
Mays got tossed - or was he injured?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 18, 2022, 01:26:12 PM
Also -

Outfield assist - Callison (Mays at home plate)
Error - Corrales (4)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2022, 01:29:00 PM
Mays got tossed - or was he injured?

He either pretended he was injured or he really was injured - the author on SABR was unsure.

Sorry for the initially partial post - had I done it right, you would have read it to start with!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2022, 01:37:10 PM
Quote
This is the play described by Arnold Hano:
In Mays' MVP year of 1965, Mays hit Phillies catcher Pat Corrales so hard on a play at the plate that they both ended up in the hospital... Mays had a seriously bruised hip, and Corrales had a mild concussion. (He was taken off the field on a stretcher). Gene Mauch said after the game "The guy comes into home four feet in the air, kicks my catcher in the face, and still manages to touch home plate. He'll end up limping to the Hall of Fame."

Corrales said (from his hospital bed) ... "It was a clean play... but I've never been hit so hard in my life"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2022, 04:12:06 PM
https://www.mlb.com/news/two-dominican-summer-league-no-hitters-in-one-game
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2022, 10:01:12 PM
The Red Sox looked flat. Their starter looked like the rookie he is.

Only consolation, at the moment, is that the Yankees are losing about as badly, but taking longer to do it.

But after last night, "at the moment" is an important distinction.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 18, 2022, 10:23:12 PM
Why would the Yankees losing be a "consolation" to the Red Sox?  The team beating them gained ground on the Sox and the Red Sox should be more worried about Toronto than the Yankees..  I'd say the Red Sox' consolation would be the Orioles losing. Fourth place is still in sight!!!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 18, 2022, 10:33:12 PM
Why would the Yankees losing be a "consolation" to the Red Sox?  The team beating them gained ground on the Sox and the Red Sox should be more worried about Toronto than the Yankees..  I'd say the Red Sox' consolation would be the Orioles losing. Fourth place is still in sight!!!

A friend of mine wrote tonight (and previously):

Quote
paraphrasing my father, "I don't care who wins as long as the Yankees lose"
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 18, 2022, 11:43:03 PM
BIG NIGHT, New York.

What a difference a day makes
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2022, 05:45:26 PM
This week, the Baltimore Orioles passed the LA Dodgers for 7th place all time!

And there is a good chance that before the season is out, Arizona will finally pass Tampa Bay.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2022, 10:26:37 PM
Yankees' lead is down to 8 games.

Sox and Os have 18 hits apiece after 7.5 innings. 15-10 for the Orioles. No 1-2-3 innings, yet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on August 19, 2022, 11:32:34 PM
Yankees' lead is down to 8 games.

Sox and Os have 18 hits apiece after 7.5 innings. 15-10 for the Orioles. No 1-2-3 innings, yet.

It did not get better.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 24, 2022, 09:33:47 AM
Nice job, Yanks.  Mets didnt quit and NYY were able to win 2 without their A relievers.

Mets get a rare Wed. off ahead of home 4 game series with Rockies.  The lead on Atlanta is TWO games.

Phils meanwhile now second wild card, with 2 game cushion on MIL and SD

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on September 07, 2022, 02:28:58 AM
Where did all the baseball go
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 07, 2022, 06:21:14 PM
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0BCCFJM84/ref=atv_hm_hom_1_c_ZWyNDQ_xvzPhq_1_1
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 07, 2022, 06:23:16 PM
New Yanks 1B Guzman = dude from Bull Durham with the cursed glove.  Uncanny.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 08, 2022, 11:12:17 AM
And a GREAT DAY for NY teams.......sweep em up, baby.

ready for a strong stretch drive and first Subway Series since 2000.

Crippling for Twins.  But Guardians wont take the gifts.

CLE ------  lost 7 of 10
MIN-------- lost 6 of 10  2 back
Chi ---------won 6 of 10  2 back
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 08, 2022, 11:17:39 AM
Meanwhile ----

Tor, TB and Sea are all 8-2 over last 10

And Orioles -  having gone 5-5 -  have moved 4.5 off the WC pace.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 08, 2022, 02:57:10 PM
And a GREAT DAY for NY teams.......sweep em up, baby.

ready for a strong stretch drive and first Subway Series since 2000.

Crippling for Twins.  But Guardians wont take the gifts.

CLE ------  lost 7 of 10
MIN-------- lost 6 of 10  2 back
Chi ---------won 6 of 10  2 back
Seattle is much better than we are.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on September 17, 2022, 08:21:39 AM
Bad hair day for yanks could not hold 5 run lead.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on September 24, 2022, 03:32:17 AM
Wonderful year for NY teams. Two different routes; up and down Yanks VS steady Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 24, 2022, 08:24:11 AM
I should probably wait until we actually clinch because Cleveland, but I love this iteration of the Gaurdians so much. I had no qctual real expectations of them this year, it was going to be a Cleveland Rebuild where you win about 76 games while developing kids and trading off some pieces parts. I doubt we do much in the post season, though (spoiler alert) i will be picking them to win the World Series, but it has been fun.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on September 25, 2022, 07:52:37 AM
I like the CLE pitching.   Bullpen has some impressive hits allowed and K/BB stats.  Bunch of nonames.  Nice.  (And thanks for the info on McKenzie earlier - he has been real good)
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 29, 2022, 06:01:17 PM
Holy smokes! Phils are choking.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on September 30, 2022, 03:20:06 PM
Damn good Sox infield next year if Xander stays.

And if Story recovers.

Cassas will be there if he can get his AAA hitting up to align with everything before - or if he comes up and does it at the Major League level.

Over Hosmer?  Get out a town.

Still think that Hosmer is better than Casas?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 02, 2022, 06:30:40 PM
Holy smokes! Phils are choking.

BREWERS say, "No, thanks."

Wow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2022, 10:41:49 AM
Nice.

Cashed my Gerrit Cole strikeout leader, MLB ticket (at 4.5-1) for 180 profit.  Should keep me in bets through end of NFL.....

Have METS at 5-1 NL for (5-1) 200 bucks.  (Not feeling too confident at this point)

Go, Mets.  Go, Guardians.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 06, 2022, 11:56:26 AM
ROUND.ONE:

Gaurdians v Rays GAURDIANS
Mariners v Blue Jays MARINERS

Cardinals v Phillies CARDINALS
Mets v Padres METS

ROUND TWO

Guardians v Yankees GAURDIANS
Astros v Mariners ASTROS

Mets v Dodgers DODGERS (sorry kiid, but as much as I would love to see Frankie get a ring I cannot pull the trigger)
Braves v Cardinals BRAVES

LEAGUE.CHAMPIONSHIP SERIES

Gaurdians v Astros GAURDIANS
Dodgers v Braves DODGERS

WORLD SERIES:

Gaurdians v Dodgers.GAURDIANS! 1920!  1920! 1920!

I may take the time for more guarded expectations later. Or, rather, less Gaurded.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 06, 2022, 02:45:41 PM
Taking Jays round one.  Others we agree

Not watching til Tuesday
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 06, 2022, 04:27:30 PM
Taking Jays round one.  Others we agree

Not watching til Tuesday

Even downtown, voices carry.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2022, 01:07:18 PM
Guardians

Blue Jays

Cardinals

Mets



I hate doing it, but...

Round Two:

Yankees

Astros

Braves

Dodgers



Astros

Dodgers



Dodgers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 07, 2022, 02:38:13 PM
That was quick and efficient.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2022, 04:31:42 PM
That was quick and efficient.

No pitch clock required!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 07, 2022, 11:39:19 PM
Lots of upsets.

The end of that Phillies/Cardinals game was quite something.

Tomorrow is another day!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2022, 03:56:00 PM
I still dislike different rules during the regular season versus during playoffs, for all that I despise the "ghost runner" rule.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2022, 04:36:52 PM
I'm also not a fan of ESPN's two broadcasts going dead at the same time - 12 innings into the TB-Cleveland game.

And when it came back, no sound.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 08, 2022, 05:13:08 PM
That was... long.  And sweet!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 08, 2022, 07:49:29 PM
Guardians pitching staff is quite good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 08, 2022, 11:57:59 PM
Cardinals gave it all they had, I guess.

But 0-7 with runners in scoring position is just not going to get it done. Neither is 2 on, 1 out, with your big bats up and both striking out in the 8th.

Congratulations to the Phillies for a well played short series.

And to the Padres and Mets, one more game to go!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 09, 2022, 09:40:22 AM
It must suck to be a Blue Jay. What a way for a season to end.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2022, 12:36:28 PM
It must suck to be a Blue Jay. What a way for a season to end.

I agree.

And the Cards can't be feeling much better, even if their big reversal of fortune came the day before.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 09, 2022, 09:58:57 PM
Hard to win when getting one hit through eight innings.

And what's with this "football season about to start" from the baseball announcer, with most of week five in the books?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2022, 01:40:36 PM
Smoltz talks about how the curve from Suarez was a huge pitch, but really the pitch two before it on a 2-1 count was bigger IMO.

3 inches off the plate inside, but called a strike, making it 2-2 instead of 3-1.

Facing 3-1 with the bases loaded would have been very different.

And I somehow doubt that that pitch is going to be a strike throughout the remainder of the game.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 11, 2022, 10:41:53 PM
Amazing comeback by the Astros.

Phillies just barely held on, but barely counts as much as by a wide margin.

Yankees won because of their pitching, but having the homers from other than Judge was entertaining. I hope Cleveland wins tomorrow.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Holly Martins on October 12, 2022, 10:50:39 AM
It ain't a homer until it's a homer, Josh Donaldson.  Embarrassing.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 12, 2022, 06:52:46 PM
Fantasy hoops draft Sunday night 8 eastern

https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/87187/invitation?key=fca91d833810c15d&soc_trk=lnk&ikey=f6a942d2670ac36f
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2022, 05:19:42 PM
Fantasy hoops draft Sunday night 8 eastern

https://basketball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/nba/87187/invitation?key=fca91d833810c15d&soc_trk=lnk&ikey=f6a942d2670ac36f

Why is this here?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 14, 2022, 05:20:33 PM
Amazing comeback by the Astros.

Phillies just barely held on, but barely counts as much as by a wide margin.

Yankees won because of their pitching, but having the homers from other than Judge was entertaining. I hope Cleveland wins tomorrow.

Well, "tomorrow" was today, but it will have to do! Go Cleveland!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: bosox26d on October 14, 2022, 08:41:44 PM
Lots of juicing going on in Philly
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 15, 2022, 11:12:40 PM
What an amazing day of baseball this has been, so far!

An 18 inning game finishing 1-0, a game with a 9th inning comeback, a sweep of the defending champions.

Dodgers and Padres game has a lot to live up to.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 16, 2022, 08:36:35 AM
What an amazing day of baseball this has been, so far!

An 18 inning game finishing 1-0, a game with a 9th inning comeback, a sweep of the defending champions.

Dodgers and Padres game has a lot to live up to.
Did the Mariners Astros game ever end? I had a brief window to watch some of the Gaurdiac Kids game, and every time I switched to it they were showing guys I did not care about not getting hits.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2022, 03:22:31 PM
On the collapse of the Dodgers:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10052519-the-dodgers-can-fire-dave-roberts-but-shocking-nlds-loss-felt-inevitable
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 16, 2022, 06:46:13 PM
I imagine Boone and Roberts will be looking for jobs.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 16, 2022, 10:17:12 PM
I imagine Boone and Roberts will be looking for jobs.

Boone's not gone quite yet.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 17, 2022, 08:01:00 PM
Will the Yankees-Indians game be played tonight?!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2022, 10:07:39 AM
Yanks seemingly get a break, able to use Cortez

I would stick with Taillon.  Nestor unaccustomed to short rest.

Cole should get at least an inning.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 18, 2022, 10:14:05 AM
Yanks seemingly get a break, able to use Cortez

I would stick with Taillon.  Nestor unaccustomed to short rest.

Cole should get at least an inning.
Well, it also means Bieber instead of Civale. I take that trade.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2022, 11:06:43 AM
Has that been made official?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 18, 2022, 12:30:09 PM
Has that been made official?
No. Civale is still listed as starter. Saving Biebs for the ALCS.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2022, 01:00:23 PM
thanks
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2022, 01:09:35 PM
Got Yanks win + Sixers win parlayed.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 18, 2022, 06:06:24 PM
Has that been made official?
No. Civale is still listed as starter. Saving Biebs for the ALCS.
MAY not have been the right decision.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on October 18, 2022, 07:13:01 PM
Where for the love of Christ is the hitter for Straw?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 18, 2022, 08:16:52 PM
Where for the love of Christ is the hitter for Straw?
Have you checked out the bench?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 18, 2022, 10:41:32 PM
Got Yanks win + Sixers win parlayed.

Wrong 2nd option, Kid.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on October 19, 2022, 11:18:14 AM
Can the Yankees finally get over the Houston Humps? I mean hump.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 19, 2022, 01:23:37 PM
Can the Yankees finally get over the Houston Humps? I mean hump.

I don't think so, from what we've seen of each of them so far this month.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2022, 02:26:40 PM
Can the Yankees finally get over the Houston Humps? I mean hump.

Toss up

I have this going SEVEN
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 22, 2022, 12:17:24 AM
Phillies have taken the lead.

Does Houston continue their march or can the Yankees slow them up?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2022, 12:21:31 AM
Phillies have taken the lead.

Does Houston continue their march or can the Yankees slow them up?

Nice that both series ended on the same day instead of giving one an extra day to prepare. Two pretty strong performances by the winning teams.

And wasn't it appropriate for the Yankees' season to end with Judge?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: josh on October 24, 2022, 10:23:42 PM
24 hours later, Boone still has a job.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Espnthree on October 30, 2022, 09:59:02 PM
World Series Record Book

Add balls/Strikes Umpire to
Perfect Games

Dan Larsen for pitching one
Pat Hoberg for umpiring one.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on November 01, 2022, 07:32:33 PM
Suarez and Phils on the run lie tonight.  +1.5 runs  -155
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 16, 2022, 04:29:55 PM
Happy would have been 90th birthday to the patron saint of baseball trivia - or at least the old NYT baseball trivia forum - Harry Chiti.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 12, 2022, 01:43:46 PM
Guardians doing anything you like this winter?

Red Sox snooze, Mets abuse.....
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 12, 2022, 02:09:10 PM
Guardians doing anything you like this winter?

Red Sox snooze, Mets abuse.....
Signed Bell, which i like in theory but worry about his current career trajectory. Have explored trading for a catcher
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2022, 09:07:10 AM
I see you got Anthony Gose back.  I was looking at him for Mets.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2022, 09:24:28 AM
I joined my first DYNASTY fantasy league where roster are real deep with minor leaguers.  You hooked me up last year on McKenzie.  Any deep sleepers in Cleveland?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 15, 2022, 10:01:45 AM
I joined my first DYNASTY fantasy league where roster are real deep with minor leaguers.  You hooked me up last year on McKenzie.  Any deep sleepers in Cleveland?
Best prospects are a year or so away, like Espino or Bibee or Williams.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 22, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
Where does Correa play for the Mess?

Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 22, 2022, 01:11:13 PM
I dont know. ....._______  __________.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 22, 2022, 01:15:18 PM
Heh. Kind of like when the Yankees signed ARod, but Lindor is the clearly better defensive shortstop of the two. Unlike... I've said too much.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 30, 2023, 12:47:55 PM
A little quieter in the bleachers.

https://www.cleveland19.com/2023/01/30/legendary-cleveland-fan-drummer-john-adams-passes-away/
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 06, 2023, 09:01:56 PM
GGHF Season 22.  Anyone wanna play fantasy baseball?  Mention it here and we will set you up.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 06, 2023, 09:13:57 PM
GGHF Season 22.  Anyone wanna play fantasy baseball?  Mention it here and we will set you up.
They took away the message utility. I have no idea how to do the keepers.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 08, 2023, 09:48:03 AM
Go to your team and along the right side it says choose keepers
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2023, 10:36:33 AM
Go to your team and along the right side it says choose keepers
Ah. Does not work on the App.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2023, 04:15:59 PM
I forgot I had landed a Trout. How did that happen?
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 23, 2023, 08:52:13 AM
Whisk/others - pretty good baseball board on Facebook, if you are on that,  search  The Dugout Report
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 30, 2023, 10:44:24 PM
Hey! Andy Rutschman is batting 5000!
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on April 16, 2023, 01:29:55 PM
Big question when do Mets finally bring up prized prospects expensive fill-ins are over the hill.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on April 17, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
OK they listened bringing up Baty.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 17, 2023, 03:04:49 PM
Thank God you wrote.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on May 06, 2023, 09:09:11 PM
Amazing, Yanks can't win without Judge.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Oilcan on May 13, 2023, 09:30:30 AM
(https://storage.googleapis.com/afs-prod/media/4ee76b23376a451a92b2d862d5f7cec3/1000.webp)

RIP Don Denkinger.  Illustrious ump career, with that one infamous blown call.  No video review required in 1985, unfortunately for St. Louis.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on May 13, 2023, 10:07:14 AM
I've always thought that if Jack Clark catches the easy pop-up from the next batter, Balboni, who went on to single, or Darrell Porter doesn't let the pitch get by him, Denkinger's call likely would have been mostly forgotten.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on May 14, 2023, 07:19:42 PM
Yanks have to do better than Clark schmidt.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on May 22, 2023, 05:48:15 PM
Ok both new Yawk teams are righted. Mets have rebuilt their  farm system. Do they really need Sanchez? For the Yanks MVP is back.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: luee on June 12, 2023, 02:56:15 PM
Mets are in rapid decline. Kind of expected when you bring in the oldest and most expensive looking for a big payday. Buck should leave for not fighting for youngsters. GM looks like an idiot.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: CaptainCargo on August 15, 2023, 11:20:52 AM
Hey Josh, tell liquidsilver to fix this site's certificate. It's a bear trying to get in this place anymore.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 26, 2023, 09:02:52 PM
RIP to quite possibly the greatest defensive player.in the history of baseball, Brooks Robinson.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on September 26, 2023, 09:52:54 PM
And, by all accounts, the most decent person in the history of baseball as well.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 25, 2023, 08:30:17 AM
It probably says something bad about me, but a little part of me is very happy that somewhere out there, Hamilton Samuels is loudly and angrily blaming the umpires.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Oilcan on November 04, 2023, 12:58:57 PM
And, by all accounts, the most decent person in the history of baseball as well.

From Little Rock.  One of my in-laws saw him play American Legion baseball there in the early fifties.  The Human Vacuum Cleaner was even then showing a quick glove. 

Only Carl Yazstremski (who visited my middle school when we lived in Boston) matched him for single team loyalty.  Both played 23 seasons for their teams. 
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 04, 2023, 02:25:23 PM
"Loyalty" does not really describe it. They played the bulk of their careers in an era when the players had no choice in the matter.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on November 06, 2023, 01:59:10 PM
Welcome Steven Vogt.

Saw an article listing the most recent MVP for each MLB team. Wanna guess the only MLB team whose most recent MVP is currently dead?

Though to be fair, 3 teams have never had an MVP, including the Mess, and one Cleveland player should have gotten the MVP in 1995 except he was a gigantic gaping asshole to everyone around him but especially the press who vote the award.

<edit> Keeping the typo.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 05, 2024, 02:56:08 PM
I see Michael Brantley has retired, his place city cemented in the Hall of Pretty Good.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Yankguy1 on January 05, 2024, 03:19:06 PM
And when he enters that Hall he'll immediately go on the disabled list.
Title: Re: Major League Baseball
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 09, 2024, 01:26:42 PM
Speaking of retirement and injuries, Corey Kluber has retired after a five year Hall of Fame career followed by five years of injury and disappointment.