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Title: American League
Post by: Admin on April 15, 2007, 04:48:37 PM
Will the Yankees continue their division crown dominance?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: puddinhead6 on April 21, 2007, 05:58:37 PM
Will Mr. April be able to sustain his current output ("putout" backwards) of home runs ("runs home", backwards) so as to rightfully claim the title of Mr. May?

We'll just have to let them play the games -- and see.


Title: New York Yankees Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 22, 2007, 08:05:46 AM
Probably the more pressing question at the moment is, will the Yankees salvage a win in Boston. And/or beat the Sox new poster boy Fuzzy Dice.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 22, 2007, 10:47:54 AM
It is very hard to sweep a series, favorable pitching matchup or no. I'm pretty happy with what the Sox have done so far and a win tonight would be gravy.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Admin on April 22, 2007, 12:10:37 PM
I will be very disappointed if the Red Sox don't sweep. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 22, 2007, 12:45:44 PM
I am amazed at the work you are putting into this, liq. You are owed several beers. I appreciate it.

I don't know why we're all getting so excited about tonight's game. These games don't mean anything. First, they are in April and don't count in the standings. Not really. And second, it is terribly unfair for the league to make the Yankees play when one of their players is hurt.

Sometime, it would be nice for a rival fan to say, "wow, you beat us. Congrats"

(The last time I saw that was when Felix Hernandez had just a fantastic performance against the Sox.)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on April 22, 2007, 01:00:16 PM
Felix was filthy against the Red Sox in DiceK's debut.  It reminded me of Kerry Wood against the Astros - I can't remember if it was his rookie year or is 2nd year - it just looked like none of the hitters even had a chance.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 22, 2007, 05:05:59 PM
Nice job on the newest version. I guess this is what robust means.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2007, 06:01:37 PM
kudos again liq

a sweep would be nice, so Y-not us?

any access to the old Exile forum?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 22, 2007, 08:01:19 PM
If I can figure out how to -- I'll try to export the posts from that other forum but it might not be compatible.  The old forum can be viewed here:

http://www.escapefromelba.com/forums2/


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 22, 2007, 08:20:03 PM
Not exactly the start I was hoping for from Dice-K


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 22, 2007, 09:18:04 PM
Back-to-Back-to-Back-to-Back!!!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2007, 09:23:04 PM
cheap hits

WOW.

ok all together now: Booby Sprowl

edit: Booby is in rememberence of the architect, the master handler of the 1978 staff, Don Zimmer


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 22, 2007, 09:27:55 PM
That was awesome.  I hope Dice-k can preserve the lead....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 22, 2007, 11:32:21 PM
Game....Set......Match = Papelbon


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 22, 2007, 11:44:11 PM
Mr. Clutch comes through! :)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 22, 2007, 11:46:38 PM
Sweep. I'm a bit embarassed for the Yankees. They scored 5 runs off of each of the Sox starters and lost every game. Just no pitching.

Torre managed that like October again.

What a great thing to see history made in fenway. 4 straight hrs;


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: josh on April 22, 2007, 11:47:25 PM
I am glad I voted yes.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 22, 2007, 11:48:16 PM
I also voted yes. I figured a sweep is tough, but the Y's just don't have the pitching.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 22, 2007, 11:59:10 PM
" I also voted YES"

me too, but it will never be a YES Classic.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 12:04:43 AM
Thing is, kid called this. Well done.

Honestly, I thought we might split these past 6 games. 1-2 on the road and 2-1 this series. I think the difference is that BJ Ryan is out for the Jays and Mariano looks like toast early in this season.

Jeez it's nice to have someone like Pap close games.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: lisa mariner on April 23, 2007, 12:07:16 AM
Congrats, RSG!!!

Those B-2B-2B-2B homeruns were quite impressive!

(and thanks to DiceK, Paps and Tek ~ my fantasy team eeked out a win this week!)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 12:09:47 AM
I thought 2 of 3 was the realistic outcome, my hope is that these guys don't suffer the post-Y series fatigue that seems to follow these epics.

edit: impressive is Wright (sic) . JD Drew became an answer to a trivia question tonite.


Title: New York Yankees Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 23, 2007, 08:02:20 AM
Well, I guess you have to hand it to the Sox. Sweeping the Yankees in Fenway is a really big deal.

I was really impressed with the Sox regular rotation. That group will be real tough this year.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 08:04:34 AM
good morning gents,

yesterday on the "old Exile" forum I asked:

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"ok-who wanted to see Paps/ARod in the 9th? The drama would have been pretty intense.

tonite I assume Dice-k pitchs well against the best line-up he's ever seen, and i expect that the Ys will score,

the here's real question of the day:

(heh)

will the sox bats give him the run support that gets him thru the nite?

Or will he suffer "Pedro-syndrome" that IIRC afflicted Martinez circa 2001-02.

Well those questions all got answered last nite.

Dice-K pitched OK and got hit, but not really blistered

Paps-Arod was pretty intense

and we won't soon forget about the run support Dice-k received.

While my feelings were no doubt colored by the outcomes, those were 3 really good games.

And I for one am more than pleased that it was Paps v Arod and not Pinero v Arod in the 9th.

btw, while we are somewhat used to the "epics" these teams put on for us, I wonder what the reaction was in Japan, where these games probably got heightened exposure.

edit: definitely more robust, had to check-out the bells and whistles.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 23, 2007, 08:20:18 AM
Chase Wright was appropriately named for that 3rd inning HR barrage last night.

Yankees did seem to measure Dice pretty well. It will be interesting to see who adjusts the best in his next start this Friday. In fact, except for some fine defense by Pedroia and Lowell, the game could have gone as a win for the Yankees.

Still an impressive weekend for the Sox.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 08:41:09 AM
Well not the pitching performances I was hoping for but I'll take the outcome regardless.  Who would have thunk the Red Sox bats would outslug the Yanks?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 08:43:32 AM
Pretty wild that Torre had Pettitte come out of the bullpen -- felt like a playoff game.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 23, 2007, 08:51:47 AM
That was actually one of the few smart moves by Torre this weekend. It was his throw day so one inning doesn't hurt.

One thing I'd like to know is when a pitcher pitches an inning or so on his throw day, is that it, or do they go somewhere and throw some more pitches to get in the whole workout. Do you know?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 09:05:58 AM
I would imagine that would be it but I couldn't tell you for sure


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 09:21:25 AM
Well that was fun. We get to strut about until, well, today.

I wouldn't waste a bunch of time trying to get posts from the old site. However, if you can get posts from the NYT...

PS. Who were the two that voted no?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 09:23:26 AM
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It was his throw day so one inning doesn't hurt.


its a tactic that's been used a few times, but if Andy had pulled a hammy covering 1st-NYC talk radio would be calling for Torre's head. M&MD should be fun listening later-on.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 09:39:27 AM
Did Dice-K have a press conference after the game?  I'm curious as to what he had to say


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 23, 2007, 09:39:34 AM
In response to PK's post I congratulate the Red Sox but can't say "well you swept us" because I've long viewed the terms "we" and "us" when referring to one's  favorite team (or in some cases favorite TEAMS) as kind of bush league.  The Sox though clearly destroyed the Yankees and anybody who relies on the "well the Yankees' got to the Sox starters" kind of analysis that Joe Morgan was putting out there is, I think, is being a hopeless Polyanna.  The only thing that matters is winning and losing.    Better, I think, to rely upon the "it's only April and things can change quickly" philosophy I've mastered.


I doubt that even a fully healthy Yankee starting staff is going to match up with the Red Sox' starters.  The Yankees will have to grind (to use one of Torre's favorite expressions) all season.   Speaking of Torre, I have no problem with him bringing in Rivera in the 8th inning on Friday.  While it's true that Torre broke his pledge (that's really between Torre and his God) I've long thought that the situation (and his health) should dictate when/if Rivera is brought in.   I'd rather have Rivera blow it than Farnsworth.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 23, 2007, 09:40:26 AM
BTW, is it too late to vote?

Thanks again for your hard work Liq.  This is clearly more robust.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Admin on April 23, 2007, 09:44:35 AM
No problem,  I wish the Times would have given us more warning so I could have tested out the systems a little bit more before choosing one. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 09:49:24 AM
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The Yankees will have to grind (to use one of Torre's favorite expressions) all season.   Speaking of Torre, I have no problem with him bringing in Rivera in the 8th inning on Friday.  While it's true that Torre broke his pledge (that's really between Torre and his God) I've long thought that the situation (and his health) should dictate when/if Rivera is brought in.   I'd rather have Rivera blow it than Farnsworth.

IMO the Ys will grind, eat and spit out almost all teams. The line-up is going to kill most teams. And once Wang, Moose and Pavano return, a sense of normalcy and some quality starts will follow. But that concern is going to dog the Ys this season.

Friday nite was a Mo situation, it was just interesting (and as noted before-it took Francona 3 games to break his ST Paps-pledge, and it took Torre 15 games).  And as long as some Y-reliever blows the lead, I'm indifferent as to whether its Farnsworth or Mo.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 23, 2007, 09:52:01 AM
When Farnsworth blows a lead, the sense of inevitably is such that you never feel the Yankees really had a chance.  When Rivera blows a lead, it's a mere surprise and at least I can take solace in the "Yankees should have had that one" sentiment.  Though, I never do.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Admin on April 23, 2007, 09:56:04 AM
I'm thinking the next question should be where will Clemens end up since after this weekend -- I have to imagine the Yanks will be throwing a treasure chest at him


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
off-topic

liq how the hell can you only be a "Jr. member"?   

I think the only hold-up for Rajah is the contract stipulation that Korky (whatever his kid's name is) gets to play for the Ys too.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 10:17:48 AM
I don't think rajah is after money at this point (although he'll get a ton).

If it's about filling a desperate need on a good team, he can pick Houston as well as NY.

I honestly think he'll choose to end it where it began and make a strong contender even better. He came close to choosing Boston last year. Real close.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 11:01:46 AM
I know WP doesn't want to see it but I'd still love to see him pencilled into the Sox rotation


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 23, 2007, 11:09:44 AM
I don't think that Emily Post would be much of an improvement to the rotation.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 11:55:25 AM
WP has lost a bit on his fastball. I think if we pencil him in we see 5 home runs in a row.

I think if Rog puts back on the sox uni, even WP will come around. After all, we cheered for david wells.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 11:57:59 AM
I'm not sure WP cheered all that heartily for Wells...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on April 23, 2007, 12:12:20 PM
Super game last night Boston. I spent the weekend at a convention in Charleston that had several RS Folks in attendance, and I know they were going wild last night. By then I was in DFW with mwfenwick and some friends, the whole Admirals Club went wild over the HRs.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 12:31:29 PM
It's a little embarassing to give a link to the old forum because I stated we wouldn't see either Okajima or Pap last night. The latter has closed 4 games in 5 nights and his stuff was still overpowering last night. What a weapon.

I still cannot believe Francona went to the Okajima well again. I mean, he still got Giambi out, but other than that it was clear he had pitched the previous two nights. If that guy is as good as he appeared this series, I am liking our pen. But what is going on with Piniero? The only reliever not used.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 12:44:13 PM
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I still cannot believe Francona went to the Okajima well again

I kind of felt the same way, but for 1 or 2 batters it was probably an ok risk.

What surprised me was (forgive me) the "Grady Little" move bringing Dice-k out for the 8th. I thought he was done/spent after 7. Fortunately Francona pulled Dice-k after Arod singled.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 23, 2007, 01:29:39 PM
off-topic

liq how the hell can you only be a "Jr. member"?   

I think the only hold-up for Rajah is the contract stipulation that Korky (whatever his kid's name is) gets to play for the Ys too.

I assume that after 50 or maybe 100 posts that will change to something else. I've seen this style of format before.


Title: New York Yankees Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 23, 2007, 01:37:54 PM
So am I safe in deducing, since nobody has said otherwise, that Sox fans are perfectly content with Dice's balloonish 7.71 ERA and .286 BA against the Yankees?

Or to put it a different way. Would Sox fans be happy with those numbers if the Sox had lost the game??


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 23, 2007, 01:45:25 PM
If I were a Red Sox fan, I'd be happy for the most part with the way Dice-K has pitched and would remain confident that he'll wind up in 16-18 win, 225 strikeout range.  I wouldn't, however, go on a message board and make predictions that his ERA would be down in Pedro in 2000 and Gibson in 1968 range.

I like the  fact that he seems as unflappable as can be out there. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 01:46:52 PM
I don't think anyone has stated that they were satisfied with Dice-K's performance. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 01:49:24 PM
But Dice-K certainly showed the ability to beat some of the best hitters in the league -- while I would have loved to see a dominant performance, I think there is a lot of positives to take out of that start. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 23, 2007, 02:01:06 PM
If I were a Red Sox fan, I'd be happy for the most part with the way Dice-K has pitched and would remain confident that he'll wind up in 16-18 win, 225 strikeout range.  I wouldn't, however, go on a message board and make predictions that his ERA would be down in Pedro in 2000 and Gibson in 1968 range.

I like the  fact that he seems as unflappable as can be out there. 

It sounds like you can think of 103 million reasons to be happy with Dice-K's performance.  And he probalby will win more than he loses and have a bunch of strikeouts. But the reality is, he was fairly average last night.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 02:17:35 PM
I don't know about a 103 million reasons but  I will say that it was one of the best performances I have ever seen of a starter that gave up 6 runs in a start.  The Red Sox offense certainly bailed him out but he did show flashes of brilliance and I am definitely looking forward to his next outing against the Evil Empire.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 02:18:54 PM
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So am I safe in deducing, since nobody has said otherwise, that Sox fans are perfectly content with Dice's balloonish 7.71 ERA and .286 BA against the Yankees?


I'd deduce that the Sox "deuce" or maybe a trey, depending on how you count, was ok last night after giving up a deuce in the first.
 
I'm pretty sure that I and others mentioned he pitched "ok" and was hit, but he wasn't really hit hard, particularly on a night where the wind was blowing out at Fenway, against the best offense in baseball.

and I thought there was no reason for him to start the 8th.

all in all a good night.

IMO he's still early on the AL learning curve and he's going to get better.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 02:28:25 PM
I think the argument of "well you won the game but your pitcher gave up runs" is pretty self-serving. Based on watching him in 3 other games, I don't think that DiceK had his best stuff yesterday, but he battled throughout and gave the team 7 innings, leaving with the lead. I'll take that any time.

More importantly, he beat the Yankees in a game they were desperate to win. Welcome again to Boston, Matsuzaka-san.




Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 23, 2007, 02:33:48 PM
Which all goes to show that a pitcher can put in a mediocre or non-spectacular performance, but if you post innings and win the game, most all shortcomings or deficiencies are forgiven. Human nature.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 02:37:36 PM
You don't agree that he was impressive at times during that start?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 02:41:10 PM
If as a starting pitcher you go deep in the game and win it, haven't you done your job?

Also, I thought he pitched the best against Arod of the three. Arod didn' t look like the same guy at the end of the series that he did at the beginning.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 23, 2007, 02:41:48 PM
I didn't say that at all. I was evaluating his total performance. There is no doubt he had flashes of excellence and portends well for improvement.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 02:43:54 PM
I'd be curious to know, for the person who voted "other", which team they think Clemens will join. Tampa Bay?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 23, 2007, 02:47:16 PM
If as a starting pitcher you go deep in the game and win it, haven't you done your job?


Welp you've just made the point that I've tried to make here (well actually, there, I guess) for years.  This is the main reasons why I believe that seamheads have underrated the concept of a pitchers wins.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 02:52:54 PM
I wonder when was the last time Abreu struck out three times in a game


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 23, 2007, 02:54:02 PM
I wonder when was the last time Abreu struck out three times in a game

I'm sure it's not the first time.  He's not a low-strikeout guy.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 23, 2007, 03:07:54 PM

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Welp you've just made the point that I've tried to make here (well actually, there, I guess) for years. 

A pleasure. I charge $400/hr. And please don't call me a welp.

and i guess I have no clue how to quote


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 23, 2007, 03:11:19 PM
Nice job by Yanks hiking the Matsuzaka ERA from 2.70 to 4.00

Some handle hits, true, but they battled.

4 starts

3 quality starts

12 earned runs

12 runs of supportt

31 K

25 hits (great ratio)

6 BB

Onward, with pride and optimism.


Title: New York Yankees Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 23, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
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So am I safe in deducing, since nobody has said otherwise, that Sox fans are perfectly content with Dice's balloonish 7.71 ERA and .286 BA against the Yankees?


I'd deduce that the Sox "deuce" or maybe a trey, depending on how you count, was ok last night after giving up a deuce in the first.
 
I'm pretty sure that I and others mentioned he pitched "ok" and was hit, but he wasn't really hit hard, particularly on a night where the wind was blowing out at Fenway, against the best offense in baseball.


and I thought there was no reason for him to start the 8th.

all in all a good night.

IMO he's still early on the AL learning curve and he's going to get better.


Cool. I can live with that.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 03:51:22 PM
Well we've established that cap can post quotes....


Title: New York Yankees Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 23, 2007, 03:54:15 PM
You don't agree that he was impressive at times during that start?

I'd have to say "I" saw some real scary moments out of him.

And I'm not saying that in any kind of couched sarcasm. But I will respond that he didn't impress me in say the same way that Santana or Halladay impresses me.

But it's really the only time I've seen him. Hard to base a lot on seeing the guy one time.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on April 23, 2007, 03:55:14 PM
And it's established that Doctor Doom can set up an avatar.  I tried to do it by entering a URL on the "Profile Maintenance" or whatever page, but no dice. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 23, 2007, 03:57:16 PM
Well we've established that cap can post quotes....

Barely.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 23, 2007, 03:57:53 PM
Did you try it recently?  I made some setting changes so that doom's pic would work


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 23, 2007, 03:59:12 PM
I'm sure that the ability to create user pics is going to lead to a new, unhealthy obsession on my part.

Thanks, Liq.  But at the same time, damn you.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 23, 2007, 06:29:00 PM
PHIL HUGHES on the hill Thursday

Posada and Matsui in there tonight.  No Damon.  Melk leads off


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 23, 2007, 08:53:44 PM
yeah, so much for bringing along Hughes slowly.  panic time in the bronx???


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: luee on April 23, 2007, 09:13:44 PM
Amazing, Cashman cannot put together a pitching staff with all the gold in China.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 26 on April 23, 2007, 09:22:09 PM
Yeah, it is a bit earlier than I would have thought.  If they chose to bring him up as a routine idea because they thought he was ready, he could fit into a rotation and learn.  But now, with all the crap they've been throwing out to the mound, it's a lot more pressure. 

After watching interminable innings, I did some checking to verify that Yankee pitchers have had exactly two innings in the last five games, including tonight, where no one got on.  There have been a couple 3-batter innings due to a DP, but no 1-2-3 inning since Pettitte did it one inning on Friday and Rasner had one on Thursday. 

I know there are injuries, but it is really sickening watching guys throw poorly for under five innings every night.  Then Pettitte does well and Mo blows that one.  They can't hit their way to 95 wins with this slate of pitchers. 

The only thing I can say about last night is that even though their guy went almost 8, got a good job from the closer, hit 5 HR's, got 8 walks and the Yanks started a AA guy, the game still came down to the last batter. 

Can they outslug the mighty D-Rays tonight?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 26 on April 23, 2007, 11:10:04 PM
Man, another one-man show as ARod gets number 14 (478) and scores four runs.  Likely will have 500 by his 32nd B-day.  We can possibly see four players go over 500 this year if Manny rolls up his pants and starts to hit. 

As bad as things are, the Yankees have to hope for stellar outings from Wang, Pettitte and Hughes to rest the pen.  Odds are not good, as Wang may not last many innings in his first start back, and unless Hughes really is the real thing, he'll be out in the fifth as well.  Then another marathon weekend with the Sox, where games last forever and relievers are needed nightly.  After Monday's day off, there are only two off days in May.  If Mussina does not come back strong soon and Igawa doesn't start giving some innings, I can't see the Yankees being close at the end of May.  The bullpen can't take this much work.

I was watching tonight's debacle on ESPN and the crawl across the bottom was listing injuries like it was a war.  Hernandez out with a forearm, Prior has exploratory surgery, three or four other guys I can't remember were put on DL.  And that was just pitchers.  Bad year all around.  If a strong team can stay healthy (read Red Sox), they can walk away from the pack.   

It's been a while since the Yankees have looked this bad, and not much hope in sight for the short run.  One slip on the mound for Pettitte's back and they are toast. 

It's ironic that the Yankees' success seems inversely prportional to Arod's success.  Other year's everyone's griping about ARod as the Yanks land in first.  This year he's a human highlight reel and the team sucks.  Kind of like when he carried the Rangers.   Hmmmmmm......



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 23, 2007, 11:21:36 PM
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Can they outslug the mighty D-Rays tonight?

no, but it was close.

Allright ARod's Awesome April Against Albert's Awesome April

is now tied,

I think it only fair to ask,

I cannot believe that nobody else in the world is wondering if ARod is HGHing?  



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 24, 2007, 06:05:28 AM
I'd be curious to know, for the person who voted "other", which team they think Clemens will join. Tampa Bay?
Cleveland.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 07:32:01 AM
I'd be curious to know, for the person who voted "other", which team they think Clemens will join. Tampa Bay?
Cleveland.

boz-just because we call him "Rajah", doesn't mean he wants to play for the Indians.

:^)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 08:29:24 AM
Nice job by Yanks hiking the Matsuzaka ERA from 2.70 to 4.00

Some handle hits, true, but they battled.

4 starts

3 quality starts

12 earned runs

12 runs of supportt

31 K

25 hits (great ratio)

6 BB

Onward, with pride and optimism.

Yeah. It looks like you're gonna be eatin those 2.00 ERA words that slopped out a while back.

Oh, that reminds me Kiddo, after last night have you also done another fish flipflop on the Igawa subject again?? LOL


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 08:34:36 AM
And it's established that Doctor Doom can set up an avatar.  I tried to do it by entering a URL on the "Profile Maintenance" or whatever page, but no dice. 

No actually I had a spitload of help from Liq.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Admin on April 24, 2007, 08:37:52 AM
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Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 08:39:06 AM
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It's been a while since the Yankees have looked this bad,


actually, over the past few years the Ys have not gotten off to the great starts

First 18 games

2006 10-8

2005 7-11

2004 8-10

and they still managed to cop the AL East crown.

and they'll get their starters back, and pound most teams in the regular season.


Title: New York Yankees Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 08:40:57 AM
I'm sure that the ability to create user pics is going to lead to a new, unhealthy obsession on my part.


If your first pic is any kind of gauge...


Title: BOSTON RED SOX FORUM
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 09:01:01 AM
Doctor Doom

I've haven't seen the handle in a while

edit: the ability to customize, could lead to...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 09:08:17 AM
I've got no problem with them bringing Hughes up.    As long as it's for regular in-the-rotation starts.  Which it appears it will be.

Calling it "panicking" (is that even how you spell it?) doesn't really get you anywhere.  The fact remains is that after Pettitte they don't appear to have too many ML pitchers.  Mussina and Wang coming back (I think Pavano has thrown his last pitch as a Yankee) gets them to 3 starters.  They at least need a 4th.  Why not Hughes? 


Title: PK is Always Right Forum
Post by: PK on April 24, 2007, 09:16:53 AM
Welcome to the board, bb.

Man, Arod is on fire. I don't buy the theory that the Yankee pen is tired. It's April. Yes, the arms get tired in August after months of heavy usage. Not in April.

Timlin is looking like he's cooked. Wonder if he'll be released and hook on with the Yankees.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 09:23:26 AM
I've been really, really disappointed with Luis Vizcaino so far.  At least we have the return of Octavio Dotel to look forward to.

Er...wait a minute.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 09:25:46 AM
Henn has been pretty impressive so far


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 09:28:13 AM
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The fact remains is that after Pettitte they don't appear to have too many ML pitchers.  Mussina and Wang coming back (I think Pavano has thrown his last pitch as a Yankee) gets them to 3 starters.  They at least need a 4th.  Why not Hughes?  


I think desperation captures it better than panic. They're desperate for starters, and no one's trading a week after tax day.

I'm about on board with you on Pavano, do you let him heal or does he just need to get healthy elsewhere?

Have you bailed on Iggy?

Y-rotation

Wang-Moose-Andy-Iggy-Hughes

I assume a huge push for Clemens is going to happen, and he becomes a Y again, and when he does, is it Hughes or Iggy that loses the 5-spot.

edit: If Hughes is good I could seen him in the 5 and Iggy in long-relief, and if Hughes isn't quite ready, Hello Scranton.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 09:52:51 AM
It looks to me that Igawa is a 4th/5th starter-type.  I think he falls behind too many hitters.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 09:58:54 AM
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It looks to me that Igawa is a 4th/5th starter-type

while its still pretty early, I think a 4 is the ceiling on the guy (and he's got to raise his game/climb the curve to get there).


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 10:07:52 AM
I think Igawa may be best as a spot starter/reliever


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 24, 2007, 11:02:50 AM
I think Igawa should be in AAA.

As for the Yanks---and I apologize, if anyone else brought this up, but what's with the NON-retaliation for the hit batters in Sunday's game vs. the Sox?

That ain't baseball!!!

That's weak!!!

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 24, 2007, 11:06:28 AM
They really wanted to win that game. Couldn't afford to put a  man on for free.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 24, 2007, 11:13:54 AM
I don't agree, pk. Here's why. There are times in a season, and April is one of those times, when you need to send a message. The Yanks aren't at full strength, and there is no mercy from the Sox. And that's the way it should be.

But the Yankee pitchers, as inexperienced and inept as most of them are at the moment, had a chance to tell the Sox, "Hey, this is a LONG SEASON, and we're not going to let you throw at our two best players without some kind of measured response." It was, to me, an opportunity lost.

But on Friday night, they could dust Ortiz and Ramirez in the first inning and perhaps send the message anyway--albeit a bit later in the week.

(BTW, I AM HAM--HAM I AM...)


Title: Captain Cargo memorial and Sunday Bingo Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 11:15:11 AM
Doctor Doom

I've haven't seen the handle in a while

edit: the ability to customize, could lead to...

I was wondering how long it'd take you to retaliate to my header.


Title: The can of corn Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 11:18:04 AM
I've got no problem with them bringing Hughes up.    As long as it's for regular in-the-rotation starts.  Which it appears it will be.

Calling it "panicking" (is that even how you spell it?) doesn't really get you anywhere.  The fact remains is that after Pettitte they don't appear to have too many ML pitchers.  Mussina and Wang coming back (I think Pavano has thrown his last pitch as a Yankee) gets them to 3 starters.  They at least need a 4th.  Why not Hughes? 

Yep. It was him or Clippard. Or maybe keeping Wright.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 11:19:26 AM
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(BTW, I AM HAM--HAM I AM...)

ham-did you think you were flying under the radar screen?

FFF was carrying that theme yesterday. He thought the Ys had a free shot on Sunday.
Torre usually doesn't go there.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 11:21:16 AM
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how long it'd take you to retaliate to my header.


retaliate? hardly. I saw the header and started to laugh.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 24, 2007, 11:22:17 AM
Bowa should replace Torre. There'd be no doubt what you'd see then.


Title: The Fujin Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 12:23:35 PM
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how long it'd take you to retaliate to my header.


retaliate? hardly. I saw the header and started to laugh.

I meant retaliate in a totally amiable way. Stay cool.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 12:33:49 PM
Yankee pitching is bad enough without putting more guys on base.  The games were close, too.  Hitting guys doesn't make much sense in those situations.  I do think it remarkable, though, that Ortiz HAS NEVER been hit by a Yankee pitch.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 12:41:16 PM
Yeah, he'd be kind of a hard target to miss....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 12:45:07 PM
given the way Manny has hit the Ys in the past, do you really want to put Ortiz on base?

of course you could also hit Manny too...

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 24, 2007, 12:54:21 PM
After being locked out for several days as a result of a combination of Internet woes and my own stupidity, I'm back. Please, hold your applause.

I think congressional Republicans are insisting that the NYT forum be kept on life support--though I confess I'm surprised to find that Yankguy is a congressional Republican.

A few people were kind enough to talk about me while I was away. In response, let me say:

a) I tried to cheer politely for David Wells on those occasions when I thought his performance merited it. And there were a number of such occasions. But I've never liked him, and I don't really think he was very good for the Sox (he had some company in that respect), and I'm not sorry he's gone, and I was never able to warm up to him.

b) Clemens is a different matter for at least a couple of reasons, although there are some similarities in terms of how I view him and Wells--notably, they're both old and questionable in terms of durability. I've never been Roger's biggest fan, as he did a number of things during and after his Red Sox career that I found worthy of disdain; however, I recognize that he's an all-time great, and I appreciate what he did for the Sox. If he should end up finishing his career in Boston (which I think is very unlikely, sorry, PK), I'll certainly cheer for him, but I'll be quite skeptical about his value untiil he proves me wrong. If he ends up with the Yanks, I won't be stricken with fear as to the threat to the Sox, and of course I'll have no trouble rooting against him.

On HBPs: Some fans never saw one that they weren't 100 percent convinced was intentional. It's comical to read posts (and I didn't see this here, so I'm not calling anyone out) that say things like "I was at the game, and X definitely beaned (sic) Y on purpose." I don't think Matsuzaka was throwing at anybody on Wednesday; I do think he was intentionally coming up and in (by no means dangerously) to Rodriguez. But in any case, possibly the Yankees remember, even if some of their fans do not, that Pettitte almost broke Youkilis's hand Friday night.

That bullpen that a lot of opposing fans assert is "just horrible" is just killing the Sox.


Title: Sportsguy on da sweep
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 12:57:31 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/blog/index?name=simmons

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10. Maybe Dice wasn't dominating (seven innings, six earned runs) Sunday night, but he plunked A-Rod and Jeter and exposed a recent Yankee weakness from the past few seasons: You can throw inside on their guys, nail them with pitches, hit them two or three times in the same game and they never seem to retaliate because of Torre's whole "we're classier than that" mantra


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 01:09:06 PM
In a column that raised the bar for provincialism and homerism,  The (Boston) Sports Guy wrote a column last week in which he claimed that the Celtics Al Jefferson was better than Dwight Howard.

I'm suspending the Sports Guy from my reading list for a period of one month because of such stupidity and if, I find that such idiocy continues, he will be permanently disqualified from my reading.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 24, 2007, 01:09:41 PM
given the way Manny has hit the Ys in the past, do you really want to put Ortiz on base?

of course you could also hit Manny too...

 

I was thinking more of a putting Ortiz on the DL kind of pitch. Reenact Tony C. and all that...

God, I miss the old days, when baseball was called hardball.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 24, 2007, 01:17:47 PM
Yeah, that purpose pitch to Tony C. was one of the moments we sports fans live for.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 01:24:19 PM
dja think (Boston) Sportguy is a wee provincial?

Sportsguy lost his fastball a couple of years ago when he went mass market, I still check in on him from time to time


Title: Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 01:27:20 PM
After being locked out for several days as a result of a combination of Internet woes and my own stupidity, I'm back. Please, hold your applause.


Who's this guy??


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 01:27:30 PM
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Reenact Tony C. and all that...

ham-be careful what you wish for, with that line of thinking, someone may purpose pitch Ryan Howard into brain surgery one day .


Title: Re: Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est Forum
Post by: wpsaukee on April 24, 2007, 01:29:16 PM

Who's this guy??

I'm your worst nightmare, Cappy.


Title: Re: Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est Forum
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 01:36:25 PM

Who's this guy??

I'm your worst nightmare, Cappy.

A killer clown?


Title: Re: Aio, quantitas magna frumentorum est Forum
Post by: wpsaukee on April 24, 2007, 01:40:04 PM

A killer clown?

That reminds me, I logged in over at the Times and put you on ignore.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 01:54:48 PM
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That reminds me, I logged in over at the Times and put you on ignore.

the NYT Forum reminds me of the saying: If a tree falls in a forest and there is nobody there to here it...



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on April 24, 2007, 02:08:13 PM
  On HBPs: Some fans never saw one that they weren't 100 percent convinced was intentional.

I don't care if a HBP was intentional or unintentional.  Whatever the case may be, the rules set forth the punishment - the batter gets to go to first base.   What else is there to talk about?  Oh yeah, if you're a typical baseball player, you can whine about "protecting your teammates" and all of that crap.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 24, 2007, 02:22:34 PM
On the A-Rod HP:

Julian Tavarez has claimed responsibility, saying he advised Matsuzaka to buzz Alex.

I like it that it may have been intentional, certainly DON'T like that DM-CY is taking to listening to the team nutjob.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 02:27:58 PM
I'm going to the game tonite.  Not terribly thrilled to see Tavarez pitched.  He wasn't too bad last time out against the Jays but when I bought the tixx I sure was hoping to see a member of the three-headed monster.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 26 on April 24, 2007, 02:45:36 PM
thanks pk.  I figure a new handle that hopefully will be outdated soon was in order. 

I'm really tiring of the Pavano "it still hurts, but I'm sure it'll be ok in a few days" act.  It'd be comical if he was the only injury, but every time I see the bullpen get called in in the fifth after another rookie starts, I get more angry at that wimp.  I think he can parley this latest injury into a month off, maybe make a start or two and then claim another nagging injury.  By then no one with any brain cells would trade for him and the Yansk will dump him in disgust. 

This Jeter 53 out of 55 streak is really pretty remarkable.  I didn't realize that until a couple days ago when it was brought up on ESPN, I think.  Like him or not, hitting in 53 out of 55 is great and considering he walked or reached on an error in those two games, that means he has at least a 55 game streak of running the bases.  Not too shabby.  However, his 5 rbi for the season is. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 02:52:43 PM
When David Wells and  Randy Johnson oppose each other today, it will be the oldest matchup of left-handed starting pitchers in major league history.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 24, 2007, 02:54:25 PM
  On HBPs: Some fans never saw one that they weren't 100 percent convinced was intentional.

I don't care if a HBP was intentional or unintentional.  Whatever the case may be, the rules set forth the punishment - the batter gets to go to first base.   What else is there to talk about?  Oh yeah, if you're a typical baseball player, you can whine about "protecting your teammates" and all of that crap.



Not exactly crap, oily one.

There are unwritten rules that apply---and when they are ignored there is a real cost.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 02:57:05 PM
I think OCB's argument would be that "unwritten rules are stupid" and, for the most part, I agree with him.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 03:00:54 PM
given the way Manny has hit the Ys in the past, do you really want to put Ortiz on base?

of course you could also hit Manny too...

 

I was thinking more of a putting Ortiz on the DL kind of pitch. Reenact Tony C. and all that...

God, I miss the old days, when baseball was called hardball.

Are you intimating that Jack Hamilton was throwing at Tony C.?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 24, 2007, 03:09:08 PM
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On HBPs: Some fans never saw one that they weren't 100 percent convinced was intentional.
My own personal favorite HBP was when Jaret Wright hit Troy O'Leary.  O'Leary charged the mound - despite the fact that he had been hit by a curve ball on a 3-2 count with the bases loaded.  Yeah, those are high indicia of intent, moron.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 24, 2007, 03:25:42 PM
What is Arod's hit streak? Mid 20's? It'll be interesting to see what the purists think of a streak over 2 seasons when he gets up to the 40's.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 24, 2007, 03:27:42 PM
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On HBPs: Some fans never saw one that they weren't 100 percent convinced was intentional.
My own personal favorite HBP was when Jaret Wright hit Troy O'Leary.  O'Leary charged the mound - despite the fact that he had been hit by a curve ball on a 3-2 count with the bases loaded.  Yeah, those are high indicia of intent, moron.
Wright was never the same after that. Come to think of it, neither was the Tribe. Hmmm, come to think of it, I think Al Gore invented the internet after that HBP.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 03:33:17 PM
FTR, I very much dislike 2 game series


Title: Welcome back WP Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 03:40:00 PM
thanks pk.  I figure a new handle that hopefully will be outdated soon was in order. 

I'm really tiring of the Pavano "it still hurts, but I'm sure it'll be ok in a few days" act.  It'd be comical if he was the only injury, but every time I see the bullpen get called in in the fifth after another rookie starts, I get more angry at that wimp.  I think he can parley this latest injury into a month off, maybe make a start or two and then claim another nagging injury.  By then no one with any brain cells would trade for him and the Yansk will dump him in disgust. 

This Jeter 53 out of 55 streak is really pretty remarkable.  I didn't realize that until a couple days ago when it was brought up on ESPN, I think.  Like him or not, hitting in 53 out of 55 is great and considering he walked or reached on an error in those two games, that means he has at least a 55 game streak of running the bases.  Not too shabby.  However, his 5 rbi for the season is. 

Like the song says I'd like to find Pavano's innerchild and kick his little ass.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 24, 2007, 03:40:09 PM
FTR, I withhold judgment on 2-game series until I know how they turn out. Just going by current trends and statistical matchups, I think there's a decent chance I'm going to very much dislike this one.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 03:40:52 PM
I think the universal standard for "Idiotic Charging of the Mound" is when Reggie Sanders (on the Reds at the time, I think)  charged Pedro (on the Expos at the time) when he was hit by a pitch in the eight inning.  Though Pedro has been known to hit a guy or two, this was different as the HBP spoiled Pedro's try for a perfect game.  Tough to see the mens rea in that HBP.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 03:50:17 PM
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Just going by current trends and statistical matchups, I think there's a decent chance I'm going to very much dislike this one.

yup, the Tavarez-Halladay match-up is not favorable, particularly the 2nd time around in ~ week. I think Crazy Man pulls Wang (so to speak) against the Ys. Another less than favorable pairing for the Sox.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 24, 2007, 03:51:16 PM
I think OCB's argument would be that "unwritten rules are stupid" and, for the most part, I agree with him.

We don't often disagree YG. And we don't totally disagree here. But...I would amend that to read, "under certain circumstances unwritten rules are stupid.


Maybe its just the old pitcher part of me that still has a couple of embers banked. But "in this instance" though, hey it's April, so IMHO, Ortiz needed to get plunked. If I really wanted to be nasty I'd throw at his knees. The batter does a much better dance when you do that.




Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 24, 2007, 03:58:17 PM
I think the most priceless incident was Izzy Alcantara karate kicking the catcher before charging the mound


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 04:04:50 PM
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I think the most priceless incident was Izzy Alcantara karate kicking the catcher before charging the mound

IMO the most famous hit by pitcher may be Juan Marichal hitting John Roseboro, and it stemmed from the fact that Koufax wouldn't.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 04:12:29 PM
I think OCB's argument would be that "unwritten rules are stupid" and, for the most part, I agree with him.

We don't often disagree YG. And we don't totally disagree here. But...I would amend that to read, "under certain circumstances unwritten rules are stupid.


I think my "for the most part" covers your "under certain circumstances".  Stuff like not stealing with an 8-run lead, not bunting to break up a perfect game if you're getting blown out are what I consider to be stupid unwritten rules.  An unwritten rule which might have some merit, but one frequently observed in the breach, I guess, is that a batter shouldn't show up a pitcher after hitting a homerun.   


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 24, 2007, 04:25:37 PM
Lost in all of this hbp talk is that fact that Mariano did get a wee bit frustrated and throw a ball over lugo's head. If he could have had a shot at Ortiz/Manny, I think you'd see the same thing.

BTW, I need help here. What the hell do you call Lugo for short? Loogie doesn't really work.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 24, 2007, 04:29:38 PM
I think the most priceless incident was Izzy Alcantara karate kicking the catcher before charging the mound
Similarly, Dave Rozema, a starter for the Tigers in the 80's, once ran into a scrum after an HBP against Cleveland flying feet first, aiming at Pat Corrales.  Whom he missed.  Tore his ACL.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 24, 2007, 04:31:09 PM
I actually don't think the pitch was that close to Lugo and it wouldn't have hit him if he just stood there.  But, I don't blame for not waiting around to find out.

Rivera went up around Hillenbrand's cranium a few years ago (a much closer pitch than Friday's) the day after Hillenbrand homered off of him and celebrated in what Rivera felt was too exuberant a fashion.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 24, 2007, 04:35:42 PM
I was just thinking about that pitch to Hillenbrand. It was the very first pitch Rivera threw him after that home run (I was at the game, and Hillenbrand definitely hit that home run on purpose). That was actually one of the scariest pitches I've ever seen. Hillenbrand, for whatever reason, promptly said he didn't believe Rivera threw at him.

Mo is a good guy and no headhunter, but he's not quite the saint some of his fans make him out to be.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 24, 2007, 05:24:52 PM
So no one is putting their money on Taveras tonight in the rematch?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 24, 2007, 05:43:58 PM
Blah, blah, blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

As much as I dislike Tavarez, you guys mailing in these games as losses is pitiful.  Had to hear it last week, now tonight is a given L?

Please.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 24, 2007, 06:08:20 PM
no one's mailing in anything, but Halladay-Tavarez: edge BJs


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 24, 2007, 06:13:12 PM
I don't think they'd accept my mail. I'll watch the game. I'll put money on it, but I'll need some odds.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 24, 2007, 06:36:53 PM


Maybe its just the old pitcher part of me that still has a couple of embers banked. But "in this instance" though, hey it's April, so IMHO, Ortiz needed to get plunked. If I really wanted to be nasty I'd throw at his knees. The batter does a much better dance when you do that.

Ortiz should have been plunked, because no one should be allowed to be too comfortable in the batter's box, if you are serious about pitching.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 24, 2007, 06:40:59 PM
Halladay career:

97-48

vs Sox he is 8-7

innings pitched/hits

1366-1336 (one of the reasons I feel he is overrated)

vs Sox - 175-191

at Fenway 82-90 (with 3-4 record)



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 24, 2007, 06:43:49 PM
And just to add to the mirth of the Forum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lHyZhvgkPo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lHyZhvgkPo)

Enjoy!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 26 on April 24, 2007, 10:03:27 PM
At this point, there isn't much you can say about the Yankees pitching other than it purely sucks.  Even on the rare occasion they get a good start, like tonight, the bullpen coughs it up, and in spectacular fashion.  Granny tonight, 3-run double last night, 3-run homer Sunday, five run eighth Friday.   The Yankees were either leading or one behind in all those cases and it went out of reach. 

They're so flammable, Joe's using 5-8 pitchers a game, trying to nurse a guy through one or two batters.  I think as a result, he's out-thinking himself.  If you're gonna walk Baldelli intentionally to set up a DP, the best guy you have to induce the DP is ON THE MOUND and only thrown 81 pitches.  Instead he brings in Vizciano (who has 10 walks in 12 innings) to walk Baldelli and load the bases and then try to get out of the inning.  After an out, he goes matchup with the mighty Carl Crawford by bringing in Myers.  That worked nicely.   

Guy's gotta go nine by himself giving up less than 3 to get a win.




Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 24, 2007, 10:28:30 PM
Our game wasn't a heck of a lot of fun either. Get well, Coco.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 25, 2007, 06:24:31 AM
Three losses in row for the Red Sox. It is this kind of pattern that will allow the Yankees to right their ship and stay close in the race. One has to make hay while the sun shines they say.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 07:28:45 AM
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Three losses in row for the Red Sox.

damn, did the Sox lose against the O's already?

they will if they play like they did last nite. I got in late, and just saw the 6th (?) man that was one f'ugly inning. 6-3 to 10-3 in seconds. Got disgusted, so I turned on the TB/NY battle for the basement, and  BAM same thing, 2-3 to 6-3 in seconds.

I'm hoping that the mouth that roars can deliver a quality game tonite against the 2nd place O's in this early season battle for AL East supremacy.

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It is this kind of pattern that will allow the Yankees to right their ship and stay close in the race

Fortunately for the sox the Ys have their issues too. But I can't worry too much about last-place clubs.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 25, 2007, 07:39:14 AM
Oops...my bad about the 3 losses. It sure has seemed like 3 losses watching them the last 2 nights.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 07:54:48 AM
I didn't see that much, except for WMP's misadventures in CF. Watching him so far this year has been painful-he's regressed from last year. If Crisp stays hurt, he may get the time to straighten himself out, OR, we may get to see the Ellsbury-CF of the future-a little sooner than originally anticpated.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 25, 2007, 08:19:06 AM
Blah, blah, blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

As much as I dislike Tavarez, you guys mailing in these games as losses is pitiful.  Had to hear it last week, now tonight is a given L?

Please.

Mail call.

4.2IP, 7H, 6R



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 08:35:57 AM
Now that was an ugly game last night.  First time in a very long time that I left a game before its conclusion.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 25, 2007, 09:32:43 AM
Now that was an ugly game last night.  First time in a very long time that I left a game before its conclusion.

I was thinking as I watched it that it musta sucked being you.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 25, 2007, 09:37:40 AM
Johnny Damon really ought to stick to commenting on... oh, I don't know, something other than the Yankees:

“It’s the absolute worst road trip we could imagine,” Johnny Damon said. “No one could imagine being 0-5. We’re 0-5 without being outplayed.”


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 09:40:18 AM
Yeah, I don't remember the last time I witnessed such a defensive debacle.  If Crisp doesn't come back soon, I think they should bring up Murphy.  I don't think I have the stomach for another day of Pena out in CF.  Beyond which, Pena's at bats have left a lot to be desired. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 09:41:15 AM
Damon truly is an  idiot. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on April 25, 2007, 10:22:31 AM
If Crisp stays hurt, he may get the time to straighten himself out, OR, we may get to see the Ellsbury-CF of the future-a little sooner than originally anticpated.

Get a place-holder until Ellsbury is ready.  Call the Rockies about Spilborghs or Sullivan.  Heck, call the Phillies about Michael Bourn.   


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 25, 2007, 10:24:11 AM
Damon truly is an  idiot. 

LOL


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 25, 2007, 10:27:13 AM

He's a likeable idiot. But I'm pretty sure he and tstan never met up at a Mensa meeting.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 25, 2007, 10:29:58 AM
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"It's the absolute worst road trip we could imagine, being 0-5," Damon said. "We're 0-5 without being outplayed. We're going out there and we're doing OK. We're just not finishing out the other teams."

He's actually right. The offense is doing ok and keeping up with the misfortunes of the starters. The pen is really bad.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 10:30:51 AM
OCB-Ellsbury may be getting very close, after having a good ST,  he's ripping up AA, not sure why he doesn't goes to Pawtux, and maybe Murphy gets a call-up. Test both guys at higher levels.   In any case, WMP need more ABs and playing time, as painful as that may be in the short-term.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 10:32:45 AM
whats the problem? Damon only threw 1/2 the team under the bus.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 10:55:45 AM
Manny's soft throw reminded me of Damon last night


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 25, 2007, 11:48:03 AM
The Yankees are in last place on merit.  I turned off in disgust after Crawford's homerun-and watched "Borat" which I found to be the most overrated movie of all-time.  As a rule of thumb the long-standing comic staples "wacky foreigners" and "men in drag" have never been amusing to me.  I also found "The Aristocrats" to be horribly, horribly overrated, not because I was offended-Yankguy Sr. has been telling that joke for years-but because it was as dull as dishwater.

But I digress....I'm not sure how a team that professes to be the greatest offensive juggernaut of all-time can have Doug Mincantspellhisname make the final out in a close game.     


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 11:49:30 AM
The Wily Mo deal continues to haunt.  Can't see Brandon Moss soon enough.

Meanwhile, BONDS praises A-Rod (but sorry, Barry - Alex won't get to your 775-800, whatever):

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ti-bonds042407&prov=yhoo&type=lgns


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 11:53:23 AM
CoCo loss is telling.  He had just got his short game in gear - and in the process also driven the ball well a  few times.

But I do believe we will deal for a CF by the deadline.  YES - it certainly could be Andruw, though disassembling a contender is not Atlanta's style.  Keep tabs on their status in the NL.

I think we will add a 2B or utility guy as well if Dustin isn't awake by 5/15 (Cora could play second if the addition is not starter quality)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 11:54:58 AM
AND.................

tough to say this,. as I like Doug.....

but Yanks will add a first baseman.

Dougie Freash has even disappointed with the glove this year.  Career plunge in sight.  Hope he saved wisely.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 25, 2007, 12:01:28 PM
I think the first baseman they'll add will be Giambi and then they can peruse DH-types (maybe Bernie)...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 12:27:00 PM
If the best thing you can say about a first baseman concerns his defense -- than you don't have much of a first baseman in my opinion


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 12:44:58 PM
I don't know what it is about Toronto that seems to bring out the worst in the Red Sox.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 12:47:33 PM
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I don't know what it is about Toronto that seems to bring out the worst in the Red Sox.

weren't they the wacky foreigners that yankguy was complaining about?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 25, 2007, 12:47:52 PM
Well yesterday it was Halladay. Some of his pitches were unhittable.

http://OK, what is this?
And this?
This may be appropriate for a day game
And this seem to be whisk's special thing


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 25, 2007, 12:49:17 PM
I think the first baseman they'll add will be Giambi and then they can peruse DH-types (maybe Bernie)...

Send Lightfoot Giambi out to play defense. Sign Clemens. Bring back Bernie. Gotta get younger!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 12:50:51 PM
Would Bernie really be that bad an option at first?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 25, 2007, 12:52:38 PM
If the best thing you can say about a first baseman concerns his defense -- than you don't have much of a first baseman in my opinion

A player in the mold of Doug Miencavichicosovalowskiieweizc or Dick Stuart? You decide!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 12:56:37 PM
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As a rule of thumb the long-standing comic staples "wacky foreigners" and "men in drag" have never been amusing to me.  I also found "The Aristocrats" to be horribly, horribly overrated, not because I was offended-Yankguy Sr. has been telling that joke for years-but because it was as dull as dishwater.

you don't like Monty Python?

while there were a couple of laugh out loud moments in Borat,  it was way over-rated-if you've seen the TV show...

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I'm not sure how a team that professes to be the greatest offensive juggernaut of all-time can have Doug Mincantspellhisname make the final out in a close game.
   

ahh, the mystery of the 2004 Red Sox lives on, and that last out in STL will always be special.

thanks Eyechart

he's not the problem.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 01:00:02 PM
I loved Borat.  It might be a different experience seeing it on the small screen versus at the movie theater.  I went with my wife and my folks --  we couldn't stop laughing.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 25, 2007, 01:01:53 PM
we couldn't stop laughing.
So Borat is similar to last night's game?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 25, 2007, 01:02:46 PM
I loved Monty Python but their humor wasn't based on a "look at these nutty foreigners, fracturing the language".  I didn't find their drag stuff amusing in the least.

Minkavich (I've completely surrendered) is not THE problem, but one of them.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 01:05:16 PM
"FIRE MRS. NESBITH!"


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 25, 2007, 01:05:37 PM
I didn't find their drag stuff amusing in the least.

Mrs. Jean-Paul Sartre? Oh, be fair!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 01:10:26 PM
"So, Borat was similar to last night's game?"

Was Wily Mo the villain in Borat?

Get that stinkin turnstile the hell outahere already.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 25, 2007, 01:10:42 PM
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"wacky foreigners" and "men in drag" have never been amusing to me.
Well, so much for inviting you over to my house.

Men in drag has been funny exactly once.  If you aren't Jack Lemmon or Tony Curtis, put your pants back on.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 01:11:20 PM
I used to love "Kids in the Hall"


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 25, 2007, 01:58:48 PM
I just got this e-mail from the train service that I use:

Crowded Camden Line Trains Anticipated

The Bosox are in town to play the O’s at Camden Yards.  The Red Sox Nation will be out in force on Camden Line trains today and tomorrow.  The 439pm and 518pm departures from Washington will feel the brunt of this travel.  While we have shifted a small number of double deck cars to the Camden Line, crowded conditions on all three lines and operating constraints prevent us from adding additional cars.  We know this is an inconvenience for our regular Camden riders and we ask your patience for the next two days.  The next surge in baseball traffic will occur in June when the Bronx Bombers arrive at Camden Yards.


Go away.  Leave us alone.  Don't you sad-sacks have anything better to do than to slavishly attach yourselves to a team and players that don't even care if you exist?  After a long day at work, all I want is a seat on the train.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 02:10:08 PM
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Don't you sad-sacks have anything better to do than to slavishly attach yourselves to a team and players that don't even care if you exist?


heh

that reminds me of a line in Fever Pitch,

kid to Jimmy Fallon: "Sure you love the Sox, but have they ever loved you back?"



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 25, 2007, 02:18:25 PM
Go away.  Leave us alone.  Don't you sad-sacks have anything better to do than to slavishly attach yourselves to a team and players that don't even care if you exist?  After a long day at work, all I want is a seat on the train.

It's just like Earl Weaver said. All the crabs ain't in the bay.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 02:19:27 PM
8-11'll do that to ya


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 25, 2007, 02:29:33 PM
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Don't you sad-sacks have anything better to do than to slavishly attach yourselves to a team and players that don't even care if you exist?
They care. I get emails from the Sox all the time. Apparently they want me to buy all this stuff. But they wouldn't email if they didn't care, right?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 02:37:53 PM
That's why Schill has a blog

 www.38pitches.com

Because he doesn't care


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 02:52:07 PM
Any word on Jeter's status?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 25, 2007, 02:53:07 PM
Any word on Jeter's status?

He's still leading the league in intangibles.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 25, 2007, 02:56:15 PM
Replays of Red Sox’ Homer Feat Tell Different Story

In the sequence that ended the broadcast, ESPN shifted Epstein out of his original reality to look like he was reacting to Lowell’s home run, not Drew’s or Varitek’s. He was now unstuck in time, like Billy Pilgrim in “Slaughterhouse-Five.”


In an odd moment, the ESPN analyst Joe Morgan lauded Yankees Manager Joe Torre for removing Wright after the third inning. “That’s what makes him such a good manager,” Morgan said. Using that obvious criterion for lifting a shellshocked pitcher, Angels Manager Bill Rigney was quite the crafty genius in 1963 for taking Foytack out and replacing him with Jack Spring.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/24/sports/baseball/24sandomir.html?fta=y


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 02:57:03 PM
Last I heard Jeter wants to play today

http://allstar.rotoworld.com/scb/lm/reports/player.asp?sport=BB&Leaguenum=0041&Mode=&X=5406&Y=0

and at 8-11.............

yeah, I'd expect to see him


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 25, 2007, 03:36:43 PM

Go away.  Leave us alone.  Don't you sad-sacks have anything better to do than to slavishly attach yourselves to a team and players that don't even care if you exist?  After a long day at work, all I want is a seat on the train.


Well, at least you didn't say "my" train.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 06:41:46 PM
no game in da Bronx-postponed because of "rain"

I'm about 25 miles from Y-Stadium, and unless its "raining" a lot harder there than here, its a BS save Andy/save the pen move.

another sad moment for a once proud franchise.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: law120b on April 25, 2007, 06:59:56 PM
well im at 53rd and 5th, and it's raining.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2007, 07:00:46 PM
no game in da Bronx-postponed because of "rain"

I'm about 25 miles from Y-Stadium, and unless its "raining" a lot harder there than here, its a BS save Andy/save the pen move.

another sad moment for a once proud franchise.


Wow.

So, so sad and true


Title: Pride, Power, Pinstripes, Panic
Post by: bankshot1 on April 25, 2007, 07:40:06 PM
the NYC forecast is for a fast moving front with light rain, otherwise known as a:

Cashman Cloudburst
///   / ///     /     ///




         its dry down here
edit: 
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well im at 53rd and 5th, and it's raining

there's rain and then there's rain

the rain here was not heavy and was over by about 8:30 and the reports I heard from friends in NYC was that it was light at game time.

there was probably only 1 reason the game was called.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 25, 2007, 10:33:19 PM
Good news for Yankee fans:
1. They did not lose tonight
2. They are still ahead of KC in the standings


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 08:17:09 AM
no game in da Bronx-postponed because of "rain"

I'm about 25 miles from Y-Stadium, and unless its "raining" a lot harder there than here, its a BS save Andy/save the pen move.

another sad moment for a once proud franchise.


Damn smart move by the Yankees.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 08:22:36 AM
cap-I agree, if the Ys can use Mother Nature as a 26th man to extend the bench, Y-not? So they did.

btw, Its partly cloudy today, I hope they can get tonite's game in.

in any case, nice job by Schilling last nite  in Balmer. just 1 bad 2-0 pitch to Miggy

and another impressive display by Okajima.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 08:45:26 AM
So I guess Doug Mirrabelli has confessed that it was actually red paint rather than blood on that sock in 04.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 08:48:43 AM
This is what Mirabelli said:

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"What? Are you kidding me? He's [expletive] lying. A straight lie," Mirabelli said. "I never said that. I know it was blood. Everybody knows it was blood."


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 08:57:48 AM
I LMAO when I heard that last nite, just idiotic.

the guy gets his ankle stapled by a Dr. before the game, plays the game putting stress on the injury, gets surgery after the season to fix it, missed the better part of the following season, and people nail him?

just idiotic.










Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 09:00:58 AM
I heard Schilling painted it with the blood of a goat that he sacrificed earlier that day to Oden.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 09:08:33 AM
cap-I agree, if the Ys can use Mother Nature as a 26th man to extend the bench, Y-not? So they did.

btw, Its partly cloudy today, I hope they can get tonite's game in.

in any case, nice job by Schilling last nite  in Balmer. just 1 bad 2-0 pitch to Miggy

and another impressive display by Okajima.

Yeah but it might turn to mostly cloudy by gametime. I'll sit back and wait it out.

Damn grueling on the nerves if'n you ask me.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 09:08:44 AM
Well, either way, Thorne has no reason to lie and I hate Schilling, so I believe Thorne.

another sad moment for a once proud franchise.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 09:09:54 AM
I actually thought Thorne/Palmer did a nice job doing the game. They certainly knew Cabrera, and were expecting him to get wild as he tired. They also pointed out that low outside "strike" was getting called wrong, but consistently, and that both pitchers were exploiting it.

I disagree that the ball Patterson caught would have left the park (although I sure thought it was gone off the bat), but nice catch.

As for the sock, I thought it was odd that Thorne got the game wrong.

(and that I got the pitcher's name wrong)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 09:11:38 AM
I think its a little odd that Thorne would come out with it two years after the alleged discussion.  Beyond which, I would imagine that Mirabelli said it in jest or sarcastically following the original trade to the Padres


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 09:12:01 AM
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another sad moment for a once proud franchise.


boz-HEY, I've been using that one for years, develop your own schtick!

this just in:

FFFrancessa -"if there was a cloud in the sky they were calling the game"

HEH


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 09:19:08 AM
Maybe the Yankees should put a dome over their new stadium. And perhaps they can go to college rules and just play 7 innings. We don't want the millionaires to toil in abject conditions.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 09:34:03 AM
I refuse to comment on the bloody/ketchupy sock "controversy" until I check in at http://38pitches.com/.  There wouldn't  be stupid "issues" like this if there wasn't so much damn media, chatrooms, blogs.  So we're to blame for this crap.  Up ours.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 09:42:12 AM
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until I check in at http://38pitches.com/.


i'm not sure what's so bad about getting a first-hand report on anything.
If you want to discount it for "agenda" or PR, or anything else that's fine and your perogative, (and one hopes that's true in any type of close reading of anything). But having read his stuff on his site & SoSH, IMO he adds to the knowledge base.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 09:45:09 AM
I'd rather talk about Curt's sock than the anticipated calls, nay demands, for the beanball in the coming few days.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
I think you're a little sensitive, bank.  While I recognize that he's a glory-hound, I've got no problem with Schilling or his blog and, in fact, have wasted a lot of cyber-ink on the "late" New York Times forum defending he and his wife this morning.   


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 09:54:48 AM
Yanksguy calls the bloody sock a "stupid issue", rather than what it is - a symbol of tremendous courage.

Yanksguy is hurting these days.  We understand.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 09:56:35 AM
yank-"sensitive" not really-just stoking the fires and chatting.

I'll have to drop by the nut-house and see what Blanche Dubois is ranting about now.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 09:56:43 AM
I've never been to his site but with all the players that talk to the media as unnamed sources to assert what they 'really think of each other', at least Schilling doesn't hide behind reporters to share his own views.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 09:58:21 AM
yank-"sensitive" not really-just stoking the fires and chatting.

I'll have to drop by the nut-house and see what Blanche Dubois is ranting about now.

I'm still awaiting her cries for an investigation into A-Rod after all of her assertions about Pujols last season



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:05:26 AM
Yanksguy calls the bloody sock a "stupid issue", rather than what it is - a symbol of tremendous courage.

Yanksguy is hurting these days.  We understand.

It's a stupid issue because I have no doubt that Schilling was hurting, that the sock really was bloody and that rumors to the contrary got started on messge boards like this.

Clear enough for you, "moke"?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 10:16:15 AM
yank-your defense and sensible thoughts re Shonda Schilling were admirable. But I fear sensible and/or balanced thought is totally lost on poor Blanche.

btw, she finally has the forum she has really ever wanted: one where her opinion, no matter how off-the-wall, out of the box, in the box, left-brained, right brained, male-nuanced, female nuanced etc. is the only one that counts.









Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 10:19:54 AM
Yanksguy calls the bloody sock a "stupid issue", rather than what it is - a symbol of tremendous courage.

Yanksguy is hurting these days.  We understand.

It's a stupid issue because I have no doubt that Schilling was hurting, that the sock really was bloody and that rumors to the contrary got started on messge boards like this.

Clear enough for you, "moke"?

Attaboy, spiderman.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:21:00 AM
The thing is I really do have a problem with the expression "the Yankees suck."  It's historically inaccurate (but perhaps correct today) and kind of sophomoric.  At the same time though it's become ubiqtuous and thus people that utter it are simply "me-tooers" rather than any sort of evil philosopher.  My whole objection is that somebody who's done a lot of good things being labelled a "disgrace" merely because her husband (who admittedly talks a lot, maybe too much)  pitches for a team you don't like.  


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 10:21:38 AM
Believe me, the last guy hurting these days is YG. He's seen his team in their dynasty eras and was also around when they were not. Yankees might have a few flaws this year, but they remain a contender.

I appreciate your post on the Times forum. Hopefully it will stop RK from taking cheap shots at Curt's children.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 10:34:36 AM
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and kind of sophomoric

its totally sophomoric, but so is an adult guy shelling out $200 for a Jeter, Ortiz, Pedro or whomever jersey, (my childishness stops-almost, at the gazillion different iterations of Sox hats I own)

IMO the best thing about "Yankee Suck" chant is that now when you watch the Ys play in KC, you hear it.

in any case seguing from childishness:

what are the expectaions for the Y's newest wunder-kid, Phil Hughes?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:36:40 AM
I expect him to be a dominant pitcher down the road.  As far as tonight goes, who knows.  I'll take another "rain"-out.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 10:39:03 AM
LOL - Yankguy - you act as if Sox fans invented the "------------ suck" chant.

Keep your own brethren in check or let it be, buddy.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 10:41:43 AM
Why would you expect Phil Hughes to dominate?

Has every first rounder with his minor league record done so?

Christ - the guy couldn't even beat a supposedly overmatched Sea Dogs squad in his most important outing to date.

EATEN UP tonight.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 10:44:24 AM
I expect him to be a dominant pitcher down the road.  As far as tonight goes, who knows.  I'll take another "rain"-out.

Have you seen him?  I saw him in ST, 1 inning+, he got roughed up. but obviously all the reports are very positive.
BJs are not the easiest team to lose your MLB cherry to.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:44:37 AM
I expect him to dominate ("down the road" I guess is the kind of subtle phraseology that reading-challenged individuals can't quite figure out) for the same reason you expected Todd Van Poppel, BH Kim and a host of other "kid-misses" to dominate.  I'm guessing.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:45:42 AM

Keep your own brethren in check or let it be, buddy.

If I had the power....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 10:46:33 AM
Why would you expect Phil Hughes to dominate?

Has every first rounder with his minor league record done so?

Christ - the guy couldn't even beat a supposedly overmatched Sea Dogs squad in his most important outing to date.

EATEN UP tonight.
For the same reasons you expected Dice-K and Kim to dominate: 1. he has a track record and the stuff that indicate that potential, and, 2. it's what you want to happen.

Sometimes it's right, sometimes it's wrong.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 10:47:14 AM
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and kind of sophomoric
IMO the best thing about "Yankee Suck" chant is that now when you watch the Ys play in KC, you hear it.
Right. I remember hearing it at Coors Field. Coors Field. And they chanted it at Arlington Stadium when the Sox visited there this year. The Rangers have a long history of championships...

It clearly means something different than the Yankees have a bad team.

I am excited about tonight's game. I love seeing great, young pitchers. I think the yankee offense will help him out big-time.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:51:11 AM
It clearly means something different than the Yankees have a bad team.

I'm sure that's the case, but that's why I think it sophomoric.  I guess I can look it at as an expression of envy, but since I don't get excited by "26 World Championships Baby" kind of talk, I can't really understand envious utterances either.

To summarize: My feelings about "The Yankees suck" are thus:

1)  If it's meant literally (or what the expression originally meant), well I guess that's a private matter between consenting adults.

2) If it's meant to be an assertion of historical incompetence-well I guess that's true in a way.  They've lost more World Series than anybody else.

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 10:51:23 AM
BK Kim did dominate


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 10:53:29 AM
By the way, I currently have a few Met fans upset because I am constantly criticizing Mike Pelfrey.

Keep an open mind on Hughes, who stalled in the Futures Game as well, if I recall.

I will be happy to provide a firsthand account when I see him live tonight for the first time.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:55:24 AM
BK Kim did dominate

Heh.  This is when the WHIPS and the "peripherals" come out.  Seamhead.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 10:55:49 AM
"When the Yankees play in KC you hear it (Yankees suck chant)"

I heard it this year when the Yanks weren't even playing.  LOL


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 10:56:19 AM
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am excited about tonight's game. I love seeing great, young pitchers. I think the yankee offense will help him out big-time.

yup, me too on all of the above. Burnett still scheduled for the BJs?
The remote's going to get a work-out tonite.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 26, 2007, 10:57:26 AM
Yeah, it means "I don't like the Yankees."

I'd be delighted if I never heard that phrase again, and even more delighted if I could telepathically deliver non-fatal but painful electric shocks to all the idiots in the world who feel compelled to drag down the species with their antisocial behavior, in ballparks or anywhere else. But the fact that "suck" is a word of fairly vulgar origin, and the fact that the Yankees obviously don't "suck," have both pretty much lost their significance by now. The phrase just means yay for my team, boo for the painful fact that the Yankees are historically better and more successful than my team.

By the way, the bit on "Saturday Night Live" years ago with what's-his-name-Sox-fan from the cast telling guest Derek Jeter that he "sucks" was really funny.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 10:58:29 AM
It clearly means something different than the Yankees have a bad team.

I'm sure that's the case, but that's why I think it sophomoric.  I guess I can look it at as an expression of envy, but since I don't get excited by "26 World Championships Baby" kind of talk, I can't really understand envious utterances either.

To summarize: My feelings about "The Yankees suck" are thus:

1)  If it's meant literally (or what the expression originally meant), well I guess that's a private matter between consenting adults.

2) If it's meant to be an assertion of historical incompetence-well I guess that's true in a way.  They've lost more World Series than anybody else.

 
I've heard that chant before, but I believe that the proper quote is "Steelers suck."


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 10:58:49 AM
I might not watch Hughes tonight as I've a Camden Yards ticket waiting for me.  Getting up there's a pain after work, though, and I might not make it  especially because the train is going to again be filthy with Red Sox fans.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 10:58:55 AM
BTW - the 'Yankees Suck' and '--------------- SUCK' - pick a team chants exist for onr reason -

People in general are simply bums, cretins, lower than dirt.

But we muddle through.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 11:00:13 AM
That's the best thing you've ever posted.  A tear is rolling down my cheek.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 26, 2007, 11:00:48 AM
I might not watch Hughes tonight as I've a Camden Yards ticket waiting for me.  Getting up there's a pain after work, though, and I might not make it  especially because the train is going to again be filthy with Red Sox fans.

What a sad, bitter man.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 11:02:09 AM
Yeah, I'm a bit teary as well.

Just watched "BOBBY".

You're no doubt teary from a recent Yankee rerun


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on April 26, 2007, 11:06:58 AM
yank-"sensitive" not really-just stoking the fires and chatting.

I'll have to drop by the nut-house and see what Blanche Dubois is ranting about now.

I'm still awaiting her cries for an investigation into A-Rod after all of her assertions about Pujols last season



What he said.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:07:32 AM
Why would you expect Phil Hughes to dominate?

Has every first rounder with his minor league record done so?

Christ - the guy couldn't even beat a supposedly overmatched Sea Dogs squad in his most important outing to date.

EATEN UP tonight.
For the same reasons you expected Dice-K and Kim to dominate: 1. he has a track record and the stuff that indicate that potential, and, 2. it's what you want to happen.

Are you finally out of the closet as a Yankee fan?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 26, 2007, 11:07:47 AM
I might not watch Hughes tonight as I've a Camden Yards ticket waiting for me.  Getting up there's a pain after work, though, and I might not make it  especially because the train is going to again be filthy with Red Sox fans.

And another thing. Yesterday you talked as if Red Sox fans were filling up the seats on the train you take home from work. Now we hear that getting to Camden Yard is a pain after work. Do you commute in both directions on your way home? Or do Red Sox fans who come to Maryland travel in the wrong direction, just for the thrill of spotting you on the train and depriving you of a seat? This doesn't add up, YG. There ought to be a full-scale investigation. And I don't think that was really blood on your briefcase.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:12:11 AM
While I personally don't think much of the "<insert team here> sucks" chant, I have to admit I always did find it amusing how flustered some Yankee fans seem to get when that chant is uttered - especially when the Yanks clearly haven't sucked.  I know it appeals to the lowest common denominator but there is something amusing about seeing someone get upset about something so inane


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:13:59 AM
Frankly some people really take things way too seriously and sometimes its 'too funny' watching them tick-tock-off


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 11:15:07 AM
Maybe the Yankees should put a dome over their new stadium. And perhaps they can go to college rules and just play 7 innings. We don't want the millionaires to toil in abject conditions.

Great suggestions PK.

Don't know how you come up with em but you do. Similar to pulling a rabbit out of yer hat really.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 11:19:08 AM
Maybe the Yankees should put a dome over their new stadium. And perhaps they can go to college rules and just play 7 innings. We don't want the millionaires to toil in abject conditions.

Great suggestions PK.

Don't know how you come up with em but you do. Similar to pulling a rabbit out of yer hat really.
The domed stadium idea was really Lisa's. But I came up with the 7 innings. Yes, I amaze myself too.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 11:26:22 AM
Why would you expect Phil Hughes to dominate?

Has every first rounder with his minor league record done so?

Christ - the guy couldn't even beat a supposedly overmatched Sea Dogs squad in his most important outing to date.

EATEN UP tonight.
For the same reasons you expected Dice-K and Kim to dominate: 1. he has a track record and the stuff that indicate that potential, and, 2. it's what you want to happen.

Are you finally out of the closet as a Yankee fan?
Me?  I have no real opinion on Hughes, I was just noting that kid sometimes gets infatuated with players for much the same reason everyone does.  Ask me about  Adam "Heat Miser" Miller.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 11:31:33 AM
Always a solid base, Steverino.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if I like Hughes.  His numbers are fine except for one - his innings pitched - and yeah - I know - he was coddled - but you don't just go from coddled to solid rotation regular by clicking your heels.

I'll listen if you know someone who did.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 11:36:03 AM
Yanksguy calls the bloody sock a "stupid issue", rather than what it is - a symbol of tremendous courage.

Yanksguy is hurting these days.  We understand.

It's a stupid issue because I have no doubt that Schilling was hurting, that the sock really was bloody and that rumors to the contrary got started on messge boards like this.

Clear enough for you, "moke"?

Thanks for the laugh.

As an unrealted sidenote: Hopefully its clear enough for the Yanks to play. Heaven knows the Sox never questionably called a game on account of kindasortaraining.

Possibly you had to have at least once been a proud franchise to qualify for outrage??

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Title: hey you get off of my cloud!!!!
Post by: bankshot1 on April 26, 2007, 11:45:07 AM
cap-I think I once heard that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
or was it flatulence?

I'm not sure which.

edit: I'm downwind, its flatulence,

cap lay-off of those Boston baked beans, that's just nasty.





Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 11:48:58 AM
Re:  the rainout

Teams always have that option

AND are always to be scrutinized.

Yanks played their hand beautifully.  I hope Toronto is red hot when the makeup date arrives

I like that we get 2 real nice matchups out of it - Hughes-Burnett and Pettitte-DM/CY


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:49:14 AM
Why would you expect Phil Hughes to dominate?

Has every first rounder with his minor league record done so?

Christ - the guy couldn't even beat a supposedly overmatched Sea Dogs squad in his most important outing to date.

EATEN UP tonight.
For the same reasons you expected Dice-K and Kim to dominate: 1. he has a track record and the stuff that indicate that potential, and, 2. it's what you want to happen.

Are you finally out of the closet as a Yankee fan?
Me?  I have no real opinion on Hughes, I was just noting that kid sometimes gets infatuated with players for much the same reason everyone does.  Ask me about  Adam "Heat Miser" Miller.

Hell I was convinced Jon Rauch was going to be the second coming of Randy Johnson


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:49:59 AM
Quote
I wouldn't be at all surprised if I like Hughes.  His numbers are fine except for one - his innings pitched - and yeah - I know - he was coddled - but you don't just go from coddled to solid rotation regular by clicking your heels.

He hasn't been groomed any differently than Lester


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 11:51:06 AM
Speaking of rain outs, I don't think we are going to make our 12:05 start time today.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:52:13 AM
Yanksguy calls the bloody sock a "stupid issue", rather than what it is - a symbol of tremendous courage.

Yanksguy is hurting these days.  We understand.

It's a stupid issue because I have no doubt that Schilling was hurting, that the sock really was bloody and that rumors to the contrary got started on messge boards like this.

Clear enough for you, "moke"?

Thanks for the laugh.

As an unrealted sidenote: Hopefully its clear enough for the Yanks to play. Heaven knows the Sox never questionably called a game on account of kindasortaraining.

Possibly to had to have at least once been a proud franchise to qualify for outrage??

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Actually I think the worst is when the Red Sox  refused to call a game despite every station forecasting torrential downpour


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 11:55:08 AM
Have I missed something?

Has Lester been annointed by the Nation?



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 11:55:36 AM
Have I missed something?

Has Lester been annointed by the Nation?


Does the Nation even cover baseball?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:57:06 AM
The Red Sox were just as careful bringing Lester along as the Yankees have been with Hughes


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 11:58:33 AM
1 statistically dominant season for Lester.  APPROACHED  6 innings per.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:59:18 AM
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Has Lester been annointed by the Nation?

I'm not quite sure what this means, but Lester was projected as a front of the rotation starter in scouting reports


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 12:01:07 PM
With the exception of a select few, SP prospects are best used in deal.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 12:01:58 PM
3 hour window to get Indians game in, as the tarp comes off


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 12:02:14 PM
Heck going into last season, Baseball America ranked Lester ahead of Papelbon


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 12:06:48 PM
Off his strong '05, like I said

Ooooooops


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 12:07:03 PM
With the exception of a select few, SP prospects are best used in deal.


Yes, we're all well aware of your continued defense of the Kazmir trade....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 12:08:46 PM
Of course Pap's '05 line was just as impressive, if not moreso.  But stats are sometimes behind hype when analysts work.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 12:11:22 PM
I defended the Kazmir trade.  WEouldn't have MADE IT........ but much of what I contended has come true.

Future ace?  Let's see it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on April 26, 2007, 12:29:17 PM
Speaking of rain outs, I don't think we are going to make our 12:05 start time today.



Yeah, what's up with that? The Squeakers are playing Sizemore today.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 12:32:43 PM
LOFTON (ageless one) SINGLES - GAME ON


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 12:38:27 PM
DAMN - Teixeira sucks moose this year


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 12:46:01 PM
At this point it would not surprised me if Marte gets sent down when he comes off the DL and Choo stays up.  Nice arm, and out defense just has sucked this year.

None of which is relevant to the AL East.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 12:53:29 PM
TROTSKY!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 01:09:51 PM
TROTSKY!

(http://images.rei.com/media/726472.jpg)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 01:23:17 PM
Oh, very good.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 01:46:00 PM
Figures, I drop Trot and then he starts hitting again


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on April 26, 2007, 02:54:51 PM
Well, here's a familiar bunch.  Hello all.  Glad I found you all.

It wasn't Maribelli who made the remark about the phony blood on the sock two and a half years ago, it was Kevin Millar.  He was being interviewed on "The Best Damn Sports Show" when he said it.  It was in the middle of a very funny interview where he was making outrageous comment after outrageous comment.  He also said the Red Sox were sharing shots of Jack Daniel's before each game.  No one took him seriously about any of it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 26, 2007, 02:57:07 PM
Well, here's a familiar bunch.  Hello all.  Glad I found you all.

It wasn't Maribelli who made the remark about the phony blood on the sock two and a half years ago, it was Kevin Millar.  He was being interviewed on "The Best Damn Sports Show" when he said it.  It was in the middle of a very funny interview where he was making outrageous comment after outrageous comment.  He also said the Red Sox were sharing shots of Jack Daniel's before each game.  No one took him seriously about any of it.

Hey, 17, great to see you. But you're mistaken. I remember one person in particular who took Millar's comments about Jack Dniels very seriously indeed.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 26, 2007, 02:57:49 PM
Ssssssssssaaaaammmy!!!!!!!

Dude can't hit enough homers for me.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 03:01:42 PM
Hey 17. Man, if you're serious about the Jack Daniels, that changes everything about the win in 2004. Everything.

Hell, I'm having trouble thinking that the last sweep over the Yankees was any big deal. They didn't have Pavano.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on April 26, 2007, 03:12:28 PM
Hey 17. Man, if you're serious about the Jack Daniels, that changes everything about the win in 2004. Everything.

Hell, I'm having trouble thinking that the last sweep over the Yankees was any big deal. They didn't have Pavano.

Have they ever had Pavano?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 03:13:53 PM
That's the best thing you've ever posted.  A tear is rolling down my cheek.


Grin.


Title: Re: hey you get off of my cloud!!!!
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 03:20:15 PM
cap-I think I once heard that "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"
or was it flatulence?

I'm not sure which.

edit: I'm downwind, its flatulence,

cap lay-off of those Boston baked beans, that's just nasty.



What was I thinking? Musta been something clouding my vision.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 03:22:30 PM

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Actually I think the worst is when the Red Sox  refused to call a game despite every station forecasting torrential downpour


That too.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 26, 2007, 03:25:48 PM
Well, here's a familiar bunch.  Hello all.  Glad I found you all.

It wasn't Maribelli who made the remark about the phony blood on the sock two and a half years ago, it was Kevin Millar.  He was being interviewed on "The Best Damn Sports Show" when he said it.  It was in the middle of a very funny interview where he was making outrageous comment after outrageous comment.  He also said the Red Sox were sharing shots of Jack Daniel's before each game.  No one took him seriously about any of it.

Cool another Red Sox fan.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on April 26, 2007, 03:32:48 PM

Cool another Red Sox fan.



Lol. Always a pleasure to see you too, Cap.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 26, 2007, 04:10:54 PM
Hey Liq/Administrator:

Could you get rid of that little timer that tells us how much total time we've been logged on to this Board?  Some things are better off not knowing.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 26, 2007, 05:12:22 PM
9 hours, 27 minutes of my life I will never get back.  I may as well shoot myself.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: law120b on April 26, 2007, 06:54:02 PM
that's ok, steve.  milhouse levine is @427 hrs. and counting.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 26, 2007, 10:40:50 PM
Out to dinner and saw none of either game. We're all playing hookie tomorrow and going to play some golf.

Apparently we DON'T want Coco to get well soon. WMP!
And apparently the Yankee offense didn't help Hughes out.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 26, 2007, 11:17:43 PM
Didn't see the game but heard WMP hit a monster shot. 

And for the record:

Thorne backed off Thursday after talking to Mirabelli before the Red Sox played the Orioles. Thorne said Mirabelli had been joking.

"He said one thing, and I heard something else. I reported what I heard and what I honestly felt was said," Thorne said. "Having talked with him today, there's no doubt in my mind that's not what he said, that's not what he meant. He explained that it was in the context of the sarcasm and the jabbing that goes on in the clubhouse.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2849747


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Admin on April 26, 2007, 11:24:10 PM
Hey Liq/Administrator:

Could you get rid of that little timer that tells us how much total time we've been logged on to this Board?  Some things are better off not knowing.

Yeah I was thinking about that myself -- I'll see what I can do


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on April 27, 2007, 01:41:43 AM
How come the Administrator is a junior member?Love these forums but I never did read much of the old baseball forums but looked in from time to time.I love the book forums though and will be wearing my lucky Sox  boxers this weekend.I was wearing em in 2004 and had to wash them a few times!


Title: New York Yankees Forum
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 27, 2007, 09:03:21 AM
Possibly others didn't but I came away at least satisfied with Hughes' performance last night. IMO if he stays up he'll be just fine.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 27, 2007, 10:02:54 AM
The homerun that Willy Mo Pena is enough to re-ignite the Kid/Ham debate over whether a hitter should be credited or a pitcher blamed.  WMP seems like he can't hit anything but a belt-high fastball which he demonstrated with a screaming double in an earlier at bat.  Ray threw him the same exact pitch in the 8th which he hit 750 miles.  I'm not sure why he'd throw that pitch, but at the same time Pena was all over it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 27, 2007, 10:06:52 AM
the timer? just a reality check, keep it.

427 hours ? heh

I got a sore thumb from all the channel switching last nite. Hughes was ok+ after a tough first, and he will probably be fine, but he ain't CY Hughes quite yet. Alot of real good pitching between Burnett, Beckett and Loewen. Real nice pitchers duel for awhile in in Balmer.

and WMP killed that pitch.

a fwiw, the weather here/now is "game called" weather, be interested to see if this contnues, if the Ys try to get this one in.

HEH HEH


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 27, 2007, 10:08:43 AM
I say they try to get it in as they're facing a .500 pitcher with a mediocre ERA.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 27, 2007, 10:18:12 AM
HEH

they better play-Nippon TV is expecting half the nation to watch the battle between Dice-k v Matsui, perhaps the most anticipateded head-to head since Mothra v Godzilla.

enter: boz

re WMP: last night it seemed he was trying to lay-off the slider down and away that he is a wicked sucker for (aka the Soriano out pitch).


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 27, 2007, 11:39:37 AM
Did you make it to the game last night, YG? Catch any viruses from the Sox fans on the trolley?

Hughes looked all right, he'll probably end up somewhere between very good and the unhittable deity that he's projected to be.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 27, 2007, 12:29:46 PM
Didn't make it.  I was mugged on the train by a Sox fan and spent all night filling out police reports.

I watched at home.  My Extra Innings package didn't have the Yankees game, so I had to watch the Red Sox.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 27, 2007, 12:56:35 PM
Nice to see Wily Mo contribute

OK, who should I bash next?

Missed Hughes.  You'll have to wait for that analysis.  But the line was of course not at all surprising.

Yanks should just move some guys for prospects.  Writing's clearly on the wall.  STAGGERING what they could get right now for Alex, though I guess he has a no trade of some sort.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 27, 2007, 01:32:50 PM
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I was mugged on the train by a Sox fan


yank-you probably should just given her your seat,

I hear the train a comin'; it's filled with BoSox fans,
they're acting all excited, and making play-off plans
I'm stuck in Yankee limbo and we're 5 games out.
If Andy doesn't pitch well, my head will Phil with doubt

When I was just a baby, my mama told me, "yank,
Always be a good boy; stay away from skanks
But I saw Willy crush one- and that ain't no lie                            
When I hear Bosox fans a'crowin-I hang my head and cry.

I bet there's f'ing sox fans eatin' in a dining car.
They're prob'ly drinkin' JD and smokin' big cigars,
But I know I had it comin', I know I can't be free,
But that skank in Dice-K's shirt, that's what tortures me.









Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 27, 2007, 01:37:46 PM
Nice work, rml.

And what's even funnier and kind of scary is that I was listening to Folsom Prison Blues on "Rhapsody" about 5 minutes ago.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on April 27, 2007, 01:51:57 PM
Hello, I'm Johnny Bankshot


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 27, 2007, 01:58:28 PM
just having a little fun at lunchtime

fwiw, its just moderately crappy outside now-they should play

edit: Cash's Folsom Prison is a helluva album


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 27, 2007, 02:03:25 PM
I've gotta admit BS, that was pretty friggin good.


Title: Curt Schilling: Superstar. And Don't You Media People Forget It!!!
Post by: MrUtley3 on April 27, 2007, 02:09:46 PM
 Curt “Red Light” Schilling  says that “ignorance has its privileges”, but the fact is that Curt set the table of doubt through all his other media-attention seeking behaviors.

Now, Curt get to play victim:

http://38pitches.com/2007/04/27/ignorance-has-its-privileges/#more-76


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 27, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
As an observer I just went over to the "Bush Administration" forum on these threads.  Man that place is brutal.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 27, 2007, 03:09:30 PM
Did you expect otherwise YG?? Political schlit talk is always just exactly that.

Schlit talk.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 27, 2007, 03:16:50 PM
I should go over there and ask if Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 27, 2007, 03:52:59 PM
Tell them he's runnin as an Independant. That always confuses em.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 27, 2007, 07:42:05 PM
The Giambino with another "shot", off of Matsuzaka.  lol

Dice-K wins round one with Matsui.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 27, 2007, 07:52:10 PM
SEE YA!!

Youks!

Matsuzaka finally gets an early lead.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 27, 2007, 09:20:51 PM
Heh

Looks like Andy appreciated that extra rest.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 27, 2007, 10:51:34 PM
Another stellar performance from Mo.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 27, 2007, 10:58:30 PM
Don't think Mo has a no trade

Back up the truck!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 27, 2007, 11:12:09 PM
Truly enjoyed the Damon/Matsusaka ab in the 4th. Matsuzaka had thrown a ton of pitches in the inning and was facing a guy who was determined to walk. Dice threw a change on 3-2, and Damon was just trying to get the bat on it for a foul. Instead, he got an excuse-me single to right and just couldn't believe it.

Two great players, great moment. So proud of DiceK for doing so well in his two starts against the Yankee offense.

Once Pettitte melted down, the remainder of the game was a forgone conclusion.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on April 28, 2007, 12:54:41 AM
Looking back over 53 years of being a Red Sox fan, I think there are only two years where I have felt such confidence in the Red Sox in April that I thought they were going to win the World Series  That would be in 1978, when the Sox had aquired Eckersley and Torrez, and 2004 when they had acquired Schilling and Foulke.  Both those seasons took amazing twists and turns.  In April of both of those seasons I was convinced the Sox would go all the way because they had the best team in baseball.  I still believe that had Yaz put the ball in play in the final at bat of the Dent game the Sox would have gone on to win the World Series.  And of course in 2004 they did just that.

So here I am again, for the third time in my life, thinking in April that the Red Sox are the best team in baseball.  They have the best rotation, which will be augmented by Jon Lester. 

They have a nifty setup bullpen crew in Timlin, Donnelly, and Okajima, which will be fortified when Tavarez gets back to where he should be. 

Jon Papelbon is the new Mariano. And with their setup team they have become the proverbial six inning team like the Yanks in 96.  And the great rotation will answer to the first six innings.

They have a significant lineup. Although its not what the Yankees have, they have tremendous power in the middle, and for the first time in a long time they can play small ball, bunting and stealing.

Barring injuries, if this team doesn't go all the way I will be as surprised as I was in 1978.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2007, 07:52:22 AM
nice to see you again 17ks-hope you've been well.

I had the same vibes in '78 & '04 and the hopes for '07 seem as they can be realized. One big difference is that in those years, there was really only 1 team to derail the chances, and this year there could be several.

Now, about last nite-its a Japanese custom to bring gifts when visiting, and so Dice-k not wishing to depart from tradition, even as he assimilates to a new culture, brought gifts to the Bronx. As some may recall he also delivered such gifts in Toronto. I'm not sure why tradition says he has to deliver them in the 4th.

Maybe he loses some concentration the 2nd time through the order, or tries to be get more careful, or...  
In anycase, he dug his own grave, jumped in and was lucky the Ys didn't bury him.

He should thank the Ys and Andy for their return gifts.

The Mo thing is starting to look like it might turn into a potential problem for the Ys. How's that for qualifiers?
I expect him to regain his stuff/command and be "Mo" again but he really looked lost last night.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 28, 2007, 10:30:45 AM
That was a weird inning, between the tight zone and the cheap hits

Getting through it is the mark of a champ.  Twice now he has done so, nicely recovering from some turbulence.

5 starts

3 quality starts (would like tis to be 70% by years end)

33 frames

38 K vs 30 hits (very very nice)

Walk rate and K/BB just fine.

When he catches a wave, Matsuzaka's numbers will begin to look AWESOME rather than just sterling.





Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 28, 2007, 11:01:47 AM
The thing about the Sox is that they've done this start with pitching. The offense really hasn't heated up.

It would be quite nice to win today's game. It would win the series, which is the goal. And then I could forget about the Yankees until they next meet sometime in May. There are better teams to worry about in the AL. For example, Minnesota and I'll be at that series next weekend.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2007, 11:03:03 AM
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When he catches a wave, Matsuzaka's numbers will begin to look AWESOME rather than just sterling.

kid-I won't go to "awesome" (at least not yet-gotta get over those "4th inning meltdowns"-btw not too much different from the one trouble inning that Wang usually experiences),  but I generally agree, with a little more seasoning/climbing the learning curve, and some starts outside the AL East, his game-to-game performance and #s should improve.  


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2007, 11:05:25 AM
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The offense really hasn't heated up.


yup-

it has to be said, "when is Manny going to be Manny?"


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 28, 2007, 11:17:20 AM
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When he catches a wave, Matsuzaka's numbers will begin to look AWESOME rather than just sterling.

kid-I won't go to "awesome" (at least not yet-gotta get over those "4th inning meltdowns"-btw not too much different from the one trouble inning that Wang usually experiences),  but I generally agree, with a little more seasoning/climbing the learning curve, and some starts outside the AL East, his game-to-game performance and #s should improve.  


I think you misread my statement.

But that's OK.

Dude looked great last night.  Hard not to be extremely optimistic.  Folks like Yahoo's Jeff Passan need to get over the fact that the Sox made a tremendous investment.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 28, 2007, 11:27:24 AM
Looking back over 53 years of being a Red Sox fan, I think there are only two years where I have felt such confidence in the Red Sox in April that I thought they were going to win the World Series 
Looking back over 39 years of being a Red Sox hater, I think there was only one year where I thought, in April, that they were the best team in baseball and I thought they were going to win the World Series.  That was 2004.  Not this year.  And my 1.000 winning percentage easily tops your .500 percentage.  So there.

By the way, apparently the sock in the H o F is not "the" sock and Schilling claims "the" sock was either laundered or retained by the clubhouse guys.  How conveeeenient.  If I was the clubhouse guy, I'd splash some red paint on a sanitary sock and make the guy pony up the 1 mil.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2007, 11:44:18 AM
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Looking back over 39 years of being a Red Sox hater,


boz-let's stop right there.

It was 40 years ago "today"
Capt. Yazzers put the Tigers away.

They've been going in and out of style
But they're guaranteed to raise a smile
So may I introduce to you
The act you've known for all these years
Captain Yazzer's Broken Hearts Club Band


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I think there was only one year where I thought, in April, that they were the best team in baseball and I thought they were going to win the World Series.  That was 2004.  Not this year.  And my 1.000 winning percentage easily tops your .500 percentage.  So there.

and this year boz's April choice is, "The Indians"

and fwiw boz is almost always surprised by October events.

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By the way, apparently the sock in the H o F is not "the" sock and Schilling claims "the" sock was either laundered or retained by the clubhouse guys.  How conveeeenient.  If I was the clubhouse guy, I'd splash some red paint on a sanitary sock and make the guy pony up the 1 mil.

boz-unfortunately the convenient truth is the Y-clubhouse guy is on record as saying:

1-the sock was "tossed'

2-and the sock was stained with blood.

so there


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 28, 2007, 12:32:21 PM
The 1978 team went 11-9 in April and the 1986 team went 11-8.  I was excited by both teams because each added a dominating starter. Did I think either was going to win the WS in April? No.

I like this RS team. Great pitching. Do I think they'll win the WS? I can't even fathom the question. All I can do is compare them to 2004 and say I still like the 2004 team more. Do I think they'll be a strong contender? Yep. Do I think they'll be a strong contender for the next 5 years? Yep.

BTW, 17's post wasn't about a team winning the WS in April. Whisk took it there. 17 simply said that he's as excited about this team as he was in 1978 and 2004. I agree.

(I would even surmise that whisk is a bit excited about his team's start.)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2007, 12:54:44 PM
The 1978 team went 11-9 in April and the 1986 team went 11-8.  I was excited by both teams because each added a dominating starter. Did I think either was going to win the WS in April? No.

I like this RS team. Great pitching. Do I think they'll win the WS? I can't even fathom the question. All I can do is compare them to 2004 and say I still like the 2004 team more. Do I think they'll be a strong contender? Yep. Do I think they'll be a strong contender for the next 5 years? Yep.

BTW, 17's post wasn't about a team winning the WS in April. Whisk took it there. 17 simply said that he's as excited about this team as he was in 1978 and 2004. I agree.

(I would even surmise that whisk is a bit excited about his team's start.)

no one's saying that any team is going to win a WS in April, unless they changed the rules the WS is an October event, and there's still a ton of stuff that could happen.

What I beleive 17k, you and I are saying, I think, is that this is a team (right now) could have long legs. IMO the pitching on this team may be stronger 1-5/bp-closer than the '04 team. While Pedro Schill (and Foulke) were very good, Lowe sucked for most of the year (but showed up huge in October. But still way too early to go overboard. The reliance on HR, the lack of run creation and the D still have to be concerns. But so far so good.

and Taunto has every right in the world to be excited about the Tribe, as we have that right to be excited about the sox.   


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: dmac on April 28, 2007, 01:04:44 PM
I'm saying the Red Sox will take it all. This year

OK ?

Got it?

Screw the Indians.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 28, 2007, 01:09:48 PM
Got it.

And the Indians do a good job of that themselves.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: dmac on April 28, 2007, 01:19:01 PM
I don't want to jink the Sox but I'm really hoping they put it to NY this weekend and get GS worked up to do something stupid just to try and shake up his team.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 28, 2007, 01:38:44 PM
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and get GS worked up to do something stupid just to try and shake up his team.

Steiny is propped up in front of a TV permanently tuned to YES, with a continuous loop of the '98 season. He's drooling and happy. Cashman he might do something stupid, but not Steiny, not anymore.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 28, 2007, 03:00:05 PM
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and fwiw boz is almost always surprised by October events.
Suprised?  No.  No one who has lived in the Cleveland area at any time over the last 43 years is in the least bit surprised by ultimate athletic failure.  Disappointed, yes.  Surprised, no.

Go Crunch!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 28, 2007, 07:24:33 PM
Lugo has made my shit list. Imagine knocking out Karstens before thry had a chance to light him up. unacceptable.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 28, 2007, 09:20:08 PM
nice win by the yanks.  another quality start by sox pitching staff.  igawa just pitched himself back into a spot on the major league roster. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on April 28, 2007, 11:20:54 PM
From what I read in the NY paper I thought the sock Schilling was referring to was the bloodied sock from  game 6 of the Yankee series not the one Thorne was talking about the other night from the World Series.My nephew who moved from the beaches of L.A. to Miami of Ohio for his freshman year raves about The Dropkick Murphys.I have never heard the band though.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 29, 2007, 06:18:26 AM
Lugo has made my shit list. Imagine knocking out Karstens before thry had a chance to light him up. unacceptable.

LOL

Better that Yanks win one so Torre stays on.  I want him in pain all season.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 29, 2007, 10:41:59 AM
Well-pitched game yesterday.  I was very disappointed in Manny's last AB though, what was he doing taking on three pitches in the middle of the plate? 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 29, 2007, 10:50:13 AM
gotta give a ton of credit to Iggy he pitched the game the Ys needed.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 29, 2007, 04:52:07 PM
Baseball is a funny game. Sox beat Pettitte and Wang, and can't do anything against Igawa. But they won both April series, which was the goal.

I think we have to conclude that the Sox have a decent team.

EDIT: I read on another forum that 11 of the Sox games in April have been against last place clubs (KC, Seattle, NY), so I guess we should watch them play the good teams before making any conclusions!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on April 29, 2007, 05:11:34 PM
never heard "tessie", by dropkick murphys bosox18d?

here you go, enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYAijiz7nZM

GO RED SOX!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 29, 2007, 08:08:11 PM
Great win today. Tavarez pitched well.  Still, I'm looking forward to Lester's return.  Manny looks like he could be turning the corner.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 30, 2007, 08:00:08 AM
Well at the moment it certainly sucks to be us. Lots of opporunities as the Yanks let the Sox pitchers off the hook a bazilion times yesterday.

Bad April.

May will be better.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 30, 2007, 08:26:11 AM
Taveras pitched surprising well in a game most conceded to the Yankees before it was played.

Even though there are many who have anointed the World Championship to the Red Sox after one month, there is still a lot of ball to be played. I found it interesting that the starters all gave up leads in these games and required the bats to pull out the wins. Not exactly quality starts regardless of the definition of it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2007, 08:27:29 AM
catching-up

didn't see the game yesterday, (travel soccer had priority) so I'll defer to:

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Well at the moment it certainly sucks to be us

IMO cap has succinctly nailed the current state of affairs of the Ys.

things will get better as the walking wounded return, but it MAY not matter, IF the sox SP holds up

speaking of MAY, kudos to yank on his prescient call on the Sox capturing the April '07 crown.

and to dmac if you're out there, "jock itch"

HEH



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 30, 2007, 08:40:44 AM
Since Clemens is believed to be looking to join the team that has the best chance of winning a WS, I wonder if the last place Yanks are as high in his sights as they may have been in prior to Opening Day.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2007, 08:51:58 AM
Clemens: the Ys current state of affairs may be act as a deterrent, as could the much-speculated upon departure of Torre, BUT assuming Lester comes back, would the Sox move Wakes into the pen and re-jigger the rotation and add a pro-rata $20MM+ for Rog?



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 30, 2007, 09:34:14 AM
At this point, I don't think money would be much of a hurdle for the Red Sox.  I'd still love to see his return. I would imagine Lester would be bumped as he still has options.

Its kind of interesting that two of his three favorites are in last place in their division


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 09:51:18 AM
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May will be better.

Honestly, it has to be.

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I found it interesting that the starters all gave up leads in these games and required the bats to pull out the wins.

This is the current Yankee mantra: We had the lead early! I can't wait until the next series where I think Yankee fans plan to claim "we were tied but then the game started!"



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 09:53:06 AM
And by the way, yesterday's game was tainted because Wang cracked a nail, darn it. There is also some speculation that he had a bit of a yeast infection.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 30, 2007, 10:00:47 AM
There is also some speculation that he had a bit of a yeast infection.

I bet that fact gave you a rise. LOL.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on April 30, 2007, 11:20:28 AM
I don't want to see Clemens come back.  Bad Karma.  Although he would be a great help in pitching the Sox into October, I don't like his reliability during October.

And nothing, abso-friggin-lutely nothing, would suck more than seeing Clemens, in a Sox uni, get rocked in a game 7.  I just don't want to see that.  So don't even take the chance.


Title: Cockeyed Optimism
Post by: wpsaukee on April 30, 2007, 11:25:26 AM
Geez, I like to try to look on the bright side myself, but this little nugget from columnist-in-residence Dan McCourt over at NYYFans.com gives even the Mad Queen herself a run for her money:

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And surprise surprise, with 12 big Boston/New York battles to go, Igawa's great appearance Saturday now gives the New Yorkers the upper hand in the battle of starters from the Land of the Rising Sun (superb reliever Hideki Okajima notwithstanding). Mariano Rivera appears ready to resume the throne as baseball's best closer, and amid the detritus of so many overworked arms, Brian Bruney has emerged as a true star. And I'm "grounded" enough off today's performance to be sure Chieng-Ming the Merciless will be leading the way soon enough.

http://www.nyyfans.com/article/8627/

Is there any way Theo can manage to fleece Cashman and get Igawa for Matsuzaka?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 30, 2007, 11:36:49 AM
The Red Sox pitching is so bad that they can't even get Mienkeviezciekwie out in a big situation.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on April 30, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
And by the way, yesterday's game was tainted because Wang cracked a nail, darn it. There is also some speculation that he had a bit of a yeast infection.

I'd file that one. But under where should I stick it?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on April 30, 2007, 01:02:13 PM
The Red Sox pitching is so bad that they can't even get Mienkeviezciekwie out in a big situation.

Yeah, well, I hope that bomb secured his position with the Yanks for the rest of the season....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: law120b on April 30, 2007, 01:17:00 PM
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This is the current Yankee mantra: We had the lead early! I can't wait until the next series where I think Yankee fans plan to claim "we were tied but then the game started!"

or as john kerry would say:[/size] "We wuz ahead before we wuz behind."[/b]


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 30, 2007, 01:23:03 PM
Hmm

Nice weekend (again)

Maybe they can get us midweek - lol

12-7, 13-6 would be nice for the season, with NY in the second division (non playoff) by 2 games or so.

Of course it could me more like 15-4, a total annihilation leading to a Bronxsweep(ing) of another kind, as in back up the truck.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 30, 2007, 02:43:07 PM
Has Francessa started playing the Patton theme song in the background yet?

The Boss has spoken:

"The season is still very young, but up to now the results are clearly not acceptable to me or to Yankee fans," Steinbrenner said in a statement. "However, Brian Cashman, our general manager, Joe Torre, our manager, and our players all believe that they will turn this around quickly.

"I believe in them. I am here to support them in any way to help them accomplish this turnaround. It is time to put excuses and talk away. It is time to see if people are ready to step up and accept their responsibilities. It is time for all of them to show me and the fans what they are made of.

"Let's get going. Let's go out and win and bring a world championship back to New York. That's what I want."

http://sports.myway.com/news/04302007/v9390.html


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 03:25:50 PM
Translation: Who is this nice young man standing in front of me with a pen and something to sign? I want a cookie.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on April 30, 2007, 03:29:42 PM
I want a cookie.

Or even better, a calzone. Costanza!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on April 30, 2007, 03:34:35 PM
Has Francessa started playing the Patton theme song in the background yet?

The Boss has spoken:

"The season is still very young, but up to now the results are clearly not acceptable to me or to Yankee fans," Steinbrenner said in a statement. "However, Brian Cashman, our general manager, Joe Torre, our manager, and our players all believe that they will turn this around quickly.

"I believe in them. I am here to support them in any way to help them accomplish this turnaround. It is time to put excuses and talk away. It is time to see if people are ready to step up and accept their responsibilities. It is time for all of them to show me and the fans what they are made of.

"Let's get going. Let's go out and win and bring a world championship back to New York. That's what I want."

http://sports.myway.com/news/04302007/v9390.html


Those words, and their tone, do not resemble the words of the George Steinbrenner who has won the WS 6 times.  No wonder the Yankees are floundering.  The boss has turned into a jellyfish. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on April 30, 2007, 03:38:31 PM
They sound like the words somebody would write FOR somebody with a fading mind-that has a reputation for toughness.   

Hope you're well, 17.  Glad that you found us.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 30, 2007, 03:41:12 PM
That's more accurate. My post was not meant to poke fun at someone's health, but solely to report the anticipated missive. Those who have parents or loved ones with deteriorating health know better.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 05:33:14 PM
I have parents or loved ones with deteriorating health. None have tried to provide leadership to a competitive sports club. If GS's health is bad, give the reins to another. If it's not, stand up in front of the media when things aren't going so good. In other words, provide leadership.

As long as GS says his health is "just fine", I'll reserve the right to criticize him for bad decisions. If he's lying, and I'm criticizing an Alzheimer's patient, I'll be happy to redirect my criticism to whoever thought it was a good idea for an Alzheimer patient to run a ball club.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 05:36:33 PM
I just got to become a junior member.

Please send my pay increase or other such benefits to YG. He deserves every penny he will get.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 30, 2007, 05:39:17 PM
I have parents or loved ones with deteriorating health. None have tried to provide leadership to a competitive sports club. If GS's health is bad, give the reins to another. If it's not, stand up in front of the media when things aren't going so good. In other words, provide leadership.

As long as GS says his health is "just fine", I'll reserve the right to criticize him for bad decisions. If he's lying, and I'm criticizing an Alzheimer's patient, I'll be happy to redirect my criticism to whoever thought it was a good idea for an Alzheimer patient to run a ball club.

What a kind and sensitive human being you appear to be. How many years was it before your parents fed you real food, unchained you from the closet and let you out to become a baseball fan?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 05:41:06 PM
We don't provide responses to newbies.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on April 30, 2007, 05:43:28 PM
this has the makings of the "dead parents" debate on the Times forum.

good times



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on April 30, 2007, 05:51:44 PM
We don't provide responses to newbies.

Spoken like a true Junior Leaguer.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 05:54:40 PM
I'll tell you who's providing leadership for the Yankees:

1. Cashman - who said, hey if you want to blame someone, blame me. That's my job.

2. Torre - who said, well I'm sure I'll be fired someday so I can't worry about it. The important thing is that the team starts playing better.

Two stand-up guys that I admire. Unfortunately (or fortunately, you decide) one can't evaluate pitching talent to save his life and the other can't manage a pitching staff over the course of the season without everyones' arms falling off.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on April 30, 2007, 09:07:47 PM
I just got to become a junior member.



Oddly enough, I've always thought of you as a member.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on April 30, 2007, 11:27:12 PM
We don't provide responses to ____.

Fill in the blank.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 08:55:38 AM
Gene Rayburn


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 01, 2007, 09:29:01 AM
the other can't manage a pitching staff over the course of the season without everyones' arms falling off.

Couldn't this be a criticism of Francona?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 01, 2007, 09:35:44 AM
If Francona's body of work was 2006, ok. However, I thought the job that Tito did in 2004 and 2005 with the pen was pretty good.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 09:38:11 AM
the other can't manage a pitching staff over the course of the season without everyones' arms falling off.

Couldn't this be a criticism of Francona?

No, Francona has never managed the Yankees....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 10:04:51 AM
it seems that Torre picks a releiver of the month that he trusts: Gordon, Quantril, Sturtze, Proctor uses frequently & burns them out. Its probably a hard habit to break. it will be interesting to see if Francona can avoid doing the same thing to Okajima & Paps.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 01, 2007, 10:07:15 AM
Francona in 2006 (and 2005, for that matter) was dealing with the same thing Torre is dealing with now: an inadequate pitching staff. I know Torre has been criticized for years for his handling of pitchers, and maybe deservedly so. As far as this season is concerned, though, I don't really know what he should have been doing differently, given the performances the staff has produced.



The climate that Steinbrenner created around this team from the beginning of his tenure is a ridiculous joke. On the one hand, I'm tempted to call out the press for hounding him to issue "statements"; on the other hand, that's what the press does. In any case, Steinbrenner or his handlers or whoever is pulling the strings there should just refuse to play along, and shut the hell up. Of course, if they did, it would deprive us of the pleasure of reading gems like these from Howard Rubenstein (who is going to have some 'splainin' to do when it comes time to tell St. Peter how he spent his time on earth):

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“He’s saying, ‘Go out there and win,’ ” Rubenstein said. “He’s not firing them now. He’s really being supportive of them now.”

“There are a lot of terrific athletes, and now it’s up to all three of them — the athletes, the manager and the general manager,” Rubenstein said. “He’s always said that about Torre and Cashman, but now he’s including the ballplayers."

(Both snippets taken from today's NY Times.)

What a novel concept, that it's up to the players to play.

As many Yankee fans have been telling us, it's still very early, and the team hasn't been close to whole. It's really not that surprising that their record is lousy, nor is it a death sentence. If the top brass think firing people is the best thing to do, that's understandable, let them go ahead and do it. If not, that's even more understandable, just say "No comment."

Of course, it is more entertaining this way.


EDIT: Maybe Howard Rubenstein doesn't figure to be chatting up St. Peter. Whatever.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 01, 2007, 10:22:41 AM
I agree that there were extenuating circumstances last year, but that's the only year I could think of that YG was questioning. Maybe he thinks Foulke pitched a bit much in the 2004 playoffs. All I can say is, yes he did, thank god and thank you Keith.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 11:52:31 AM
Francona in 2006 (and 2005, for that matter) was dealing with the same thing Torre is dealing with now: an inadequate pitching staff. I know Torre has been criticized for years for his handling of pitchers, and maybe deservedly so. As far as this season is concerned, though, I don't really know what he should have been doing differently, given the performances the staff has produced.



The climate that Steinbrenner created around this team from the beginning of his tenure is a ridiculous joke. On the one hand, I'm tempted to call out the press for hounding him to issue "statements"; on the other hand, that's what the press does. In any case, Steinbrenner or his handlers or whoever is pulling the strings there should just refuse to play along, and shut the hell up. Of course, if they did, it would deprive us of the pleasure of reading gems like these from Howard Rubenstein (who is going to have some 'splainin' to do when it comes time to tell St. Peter how he spent his time on earth):

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“He’s saying, ‘Go out there and win,’ ” Rubenstein said. “He’s not firing them now. He’s really being supportive of them now.”

“There are a lot of terrific athletes, and now it’s up to all three of them — the athletes, the manager and the general manager,” Rubenstein said. “He’s always said that about Torre and Cashman, but now he’s including the ballplayers."

(Both snippets taken from today's NY Times.)

What a novel concept, that it's up to the players to play.

As many Yankee fans have been telling us, it's still very early, and the team hasn't been close to whole. It's really not that surprising that their record is lousy, nor is it a death sentence. If the top brass think firing people is the best thing to do, that's understandable, let them go ahead and do it. If not, that's even more understandable, just say "No comment."

Of course, it is more entertaining this way.


EDIT: Maybe Howard Rubenstein doesn't figure to be chatting up St. Peter. Whatever.

If it were the owner of the Royals or Tampa Bay or even the Tigers of three years ago nobody would give a flyin fluck what the owner said WP.

When EF Hutton talks...



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 11:58:21 AM
We don't provide responses to newbies.

Elitest.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 12:02:52 PM
Its wild the number of appearances that some of the Yankee relievers are on target for. The Yanks could have some serious issues this time around even if they get Clemens into the fold.  I wonder if their pitching woes continue if Cashman will pull the plug a la Epstein, or try to make some deals by the deadline.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 01, 2007, 12:11:51 PM
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Elitest.

Whew. For a second there I thought you might be calling me an elitist.

OK, I have to issue an apology here. A guy on SoSH with a Yankee connection says that GS does indeed have alzheimers but the press won't report it without an official announcement. Sort of the decent thing to do. So, I indeed back off any criticism of GS.

Another story related there is that after the Sox won game 7, GS ordered the the stadium lights be kept on as late as the Sox and their fans wanted. "They deserve it," he said. Very classy thing to do, as classy as all of the money he donated to various charities.

Alzheimers is a pretty cruel disease. I hope GS can remember his many Yankee championships for as long as he wants. He was part of a pretty special thing.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 12:14:54 PM
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Elitest.

Whew. For a second there I thought you might be calling me an elitist.

OK, I have to issue an apology here. A guy on SoSH with a Yankee connection says that GS does indeed have alzheimers but the press won't report it without an official announcement. Sort of the decent thing to do. So, I indeed back off any criticism of GS.

Another story related there is that after the Sox won game 7, GS ordered the the stadium lights be kept on as late as the Sox and their fans wanted. "They deserve it," he said. Very classy thing to do, as classy as all of the money he donated to various charities.

Alzheimers is a pretty cruel disease. I hope GS can remember his many Yankee championships for as long as he wants. He was part of a pretty special thing.

Elitest spellar.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 01, 2007, 01:32:36 PM
Dammit, I need an intervention ASAP.  I've posted on the Bush Administration board and I can't stop myself.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 01:38:46 PM
Somebody slap YG upside the head.

YG, would you liked to be slapped from the right or the left??


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: law120b on May 01, 2007, 01:39:33 PM
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EDIT: Maybe Howard Rubenstein doesn't figure to be chatting up St. Peter. Whatever.

Jews don't figure to be chatting with any saints, because we believe "Hashem Echod," God is One, as your own Bible--the true part anyway--teaches you.  Howard Rubinstein is a Jew.  


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 01, 2007, 02:05:51 PM
Thanks for the theology lesson. That was why I added my edit.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2007, 02:16:29 PM
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Elitest.

Whew. For a second there I thought you might be calling me an elitist.

OK, I have to issue an apology here. A guy on SoSH with a Yankee connection says that GS does indeed have alzheimers but the press won't report it without an official announcement. Sort of the decent thing to do. So, I indeed back off any criticism of GS.

Another story related there is that after the Sox won game 7, GS ordered the the stadium lights be kept on as late as the Sox and their fans wanted. "They deserve it," he said. Very classy thing to do, as classy as all of the money he donated to various charities.

Alzheimers is a pretty cruel disease. I hope GS can remember his many Yankee championships for as long as he wants. He was part of a pretty special thing.

Classy post

Sox fans showing to be classy frontrunners


Title: Odds stacked against Yankees making postseason
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 02:19:23 PM
From 1996 to 2006, 62 teams played worse than .400 baseball in April. Only three of those 62 teams made the playoffs.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/tom_verducci/05/01/yankees.april/


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 01, 2007, 02:23:13 PM
Just for grins, I think you should post that on Times Yankee forum.

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 02:23:43 PM
FTR, I think they will be one of those teams that makes it but I still like the odds against


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 02:25:01 PM
Your wish is my command


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 02:27:18 PM
I bet you guys poked fun at the kids in the "sunshine room" too


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 01, 2007, 02:34:06 PM
I don't think that even a fully healthy Yankee staff is good enough.  At the same time, there are so many possibilities that it would be foolish to say that anything is foreclosed.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 02:38:38 PM
If Hughes emerges as an ace and the Yanks get Clemens I think they have a viable shot because then they will only have to patch holes in the pen.  But if the rotation doesn't shake out, I'm not sure they have enough bandages to hold down the bleeding.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 02:42:39 PM
If the fully healthy staff is: Hughes Wang, Moose, Andy & Rocket its not too early to write them off. But they all got to pitch pretty well.

But IMO a: 1-healthy & good Sox rotation, 2-spotting the sox a 6-game lead and 3-a lot of good AL teams battling for the Wc work against the Ys.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 02:50:40 PM
BTW, what the heck is up with Abreu?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 01, 2007, 02:51:42 PM
BTW, what the heck is up with Abreu?

Cue Hamilton....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 01, 2007, 02:52:14 PM
A six game lead going into May isn't all that much.  My concern if I was a Yankee fan would be that by the time they get the rotation back, they'll be carrying their relievers away on their shields.  There might literally be no one left with an arm attached to their bodies but Mo.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 02:57:13 PM
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A six game lead going into May isn't all that much.

its way too early to declare anyone dead, but a 6-game lead ain't bad after 24 games though. if the Sox rotation stays healthy and it appears they're about to upgrade the 5 slot, I like their chances. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 01, 2007, 03:04:07 PM
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A six game lead going into May isn't all that much.

its way too early to declare anyone dead, but a 6-game lead ain't bad after 24 games though. if the Sox rotation stays healthy and it appears thy're about to upgrade the 5 slot, I like their chances. 
Yes, it is far better to be six games ahead.  But Boston does not have a lock on the East any more than the Indians have a lock on the Central.

By the way, Fausto Carmona has given up five runs in his last 23 innings - against the Yankees, Twinks and Os - and we are sending him down.  It's nice to have an excess of starting pitching.

Having said that, watch CC pull a goin tonight.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 01, 2007, 03:05:19 PM
Yankees got to get Clemens and hope Hughes steps up. Otherwise, the rotation they get back is Wang, Mussina, Pettitte and Dreck.  Big drop off from Wang to Mussina.

Yankees better beat up on Texas and Seattle these next two weeks, or Clemens will go elsewhere. Unfortunately I think they will pound these poorer teams. (I think I'm one of the few people here that want Clemens to return to the Sox.)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 03:10:17 PM
A six game lead going into May isn't all that much.  My concern if I was a Yankee fan would be that by the time they get the rotation back, they'll be carrying their relievers away on their shields.  There might literally be no one left with an arm attached to their bodies but Mo.

I've always thought that if you're going to overuse your pen a bit, then early in the year is the time to do it. Trying to do it at the end of the year is where you run into real problems.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 01, 2007, 03:10:46 PM
I certainly hope the April division championship carries through the rest of the season but there is a lot of games left to be played and we could get hit with our own rash of injuries as well


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 03:11:37 PM
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But Boston does not have a lock on the East any more than the Indians have a lock on the Central.

Cleveland lawyers- always changing arguments. What is it with you guys?

lock, who mentioned lock? I mentioned a 6-game hole that the Ys have dug, and that there was a bunch of good teams in the AL that could contend for a WC could make it tough on the Ys.

but lock? Nope.



here's the key, right now the sox have 5 reasonably good starting pitchers, and the Ys don't. Right now it seems that Ys fans have to hope that Hughes an untested rookie will be lights out in the AL, and that Clemens can be enticed out of Texas by June 1, and that Moose, and Wang stay healthy and with all that their still 6 games out.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 01, 2007, 03:13:57 PM
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But Boston does not have a lock on the East any more than the Indians have a lock on the Central.

Cleveland lawyers- always changing arguments. What is it with you guys?

lock, who mentioned lock? I mentioned a 6-game hole that the Ys have dug, and that there was a bunch of good teams in the AL that could contend for a WC could make it tough on the Ys.

but lock? Nope.



here's the key, right now the sox have 5 reasonably good starting pitchers, and the Ys don't. Right now it seems that Ys fans have to hope that Hughes an untested rookie will be lights out in the AL, and that Clemens can be enticed out of Texas by June 1, and that Moose, and Wang stay healthy and with all that their still 6 games out.


I got no problem with any of that.  Much rather be in Boston's cleats than the Yankees'


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 03:17:51 PM
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Much rather be in Boston's cleats than the Yankees'

before you jump into anyone's cleats, a word of advice: desenex

re: Clemens-I hope he stays out of the AL, but if he decides to jump into anyone's cleats I hopes its with his red sox on.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 01, 2007, 03:19:17 PM
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Much rather be in Boston's cleats than the Yankees'

before you jump into anyone's cleats, a word of advice: desenex

re: Clemens-I hope he stays out of the AL, but if he decides to jump into anyone's cleats I hopes its with his red sox on.
Painted?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 03:23:43 PM
if its with the Ys it will be ketch-up.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 03:25:46 PM
FTR The Yankees are going to win the AL East.

Nobody but.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 03:37:32 PM
cap-they probably would except that there's this Achilles heel hanging over their head, or was it the sword of Damocles?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 01, 2007, 03:43:43 PM
FTR The Yankees are going to win the AL East.

Nobody but.

Yeah? Willing to put a nickel on it?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 03:53:26 PM
cap-they probably would except that there's this Achilles heel hanging over their head, or was it the sword of Damocles?

I just figured if you guys didn't get too high now , it wouldn't hurt quite so fluckin much when the fall comes. You know, kinda like last year.

Just looking out for you Menelauses.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 03:55:02 PM
FTR The Yankees are going to win the AL East.

Nobody but.

Yeah? Willing to put a nickel on it?

If you think I'm stupid enough to bet with you again bro then you really are a Red Sox fan.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 01, 2007, 03:58:05 PM
Interesting analysis here on Hughes for the other Yankee fan on this board if you feel like reading it YG. FTR I don't agree with a couple of his premises but he has a good point on the curve.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/if-it-aint-brokea-video-review-of-phil-hughes-mechanical-changes/


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on May 01, 2007, 04:01:32 PM
Last year I read a quote from Clemens after Houston missed the post season saying that he felt that playing for any team, even for half a season, and not making the playoffs, is simply a complete waste of his time.  But Yankee pundits and fans are talking about how Clemens should come in and save the season. 

I really don't think Clemens would be interested in joining another team in an attempt to bail them out.  He wants to join a rotation where the guy he bumps out will become deadly in the bullpen, not be sent back to double-A.  He wants a guarenteed ticket to the playoffs, and a World Series victory, so he can then be the one to ride the white horse.  If he doesn't think there's an odds-heavy chance of that happening, he'll watch it all on his widescreen HDTV with 7.1 Dolby Digital Surround Sound.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2007, 04:02:07 PM
cap-they probably would except that there's this Achilles heel hanging over their head, or was it the sword of Damocles?

I just figured if you guys didn't get too high now , it wouldn't hurt quite so fluckin much when the fall comes. You know, kinda like last year.

Just looking out for you Menelauses.

Are you comparing last year's Sox team to the '07 squad?

Tread carefully, lad.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 01, 2007, 04:03:36 PM
That is some technical stuff, Cap'n.  Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2007, 04:14:12 PM
I do disagree with Bank that Yanks don't have 5 pitchers they can rely on.

You can include Clemens or a similar pickup in your crystal ball results, you know I see promise in Kei and who knows about Hughes and the rest of the possible upstarts.

Moose could go either way, ditto Wang.  But who says that way is down?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 01, 2007, 04:26:49 PM
Lidle’s widow likely won’t get those big bucks she was looking for after this
:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/01/washington/01cnd-lidle.html?_r=2&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/01/washington/01cnd-lidle.html?_r=2&ref=sports&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 01, 2007, 04:29:13 PM
Well cap, you may turn out to be right and the Yankees will win the division.

But they are going to have to play a hell of a lot better in every phase of the game than they did the past two weeks.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 04:39:12 PM
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You know, kinda like last year


what is kinda like last year's Sox, is this year's Ys-with both struggling under the weight of injuries. The Sox eventually collapsed under the weight of their year long DL listed team, yet finished 10 games over .500 and in 3rd.  As opposed to this year's Y's, that is currently playing .400 ball in the cellar.

and I'm only being partly TIC.

theres' still a ton of time left for the Ys staff to get healthy or Clemens and for the AS line-up they field, to play like ASs. But I'll stick to my pre-season prediction.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 01, 2007, 04:39:41 PM
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If you think I'm stupid enough to bet with you again bro then you really are a Red Sox fan.

I am a Red Sox fan and for heavens sake, try to show a little courage. It's May 1.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 01, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
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I do disagree with Bank that Yanks don't have 5 pitchers they can rely on.

kid-I used the qualifier "right now". As in right now Y-fans are groaning about the loss of Karstens and its impact on the staff.


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You can include Clemens or a similar pickup in your crystal ball results, you know I see promise in Kei and who knows about Hughes and the rest of the possible upstarts.

IMO until Clemens is signed, he doesn't count as a "right now" pitcher-if he does sign, he's probaby a June 1st good to go.

Hughes and Iggy? maybe they both pan out (this year's small and Chacon?) but IMO its too early to call either of these guys really dependable.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 01, 2007, 07:04:04 PM
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I do disagree with Bank that Yanks don't have 5 pitchers they can rely on.

kid-I used the qualifier "right now". As in right now Y-fans are groaning about the loss of Karstens and its impact on the staff.


You're not still in touch with the clueless hack, are you?

I don't know of any others that would seriously rue losing Karstens.

As for Rocket - I said "or similar", meaning it matters not if he is a Yank - they will get a 1/2 somewhere.

What Yankees should do is just run the season through and develop some talent, take a MISS on the playoffs for a season if need be (in other words - "we're in third - so f--kin what?"), then get back into the free agent market more wisely next (this) winter. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 06:19:22 AM
Blown save by Papelbon last night goes to show that the good ones all come down to earth occasionally.

Does anyone remember if Papelbon wound up leading the league in blown saves last year? I remember he was leading the pack with 5 at one point.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 06:56:22 AM
tough nite for the AL East wunder-kids and my remote

that game was all but won-Schill pitchs very well, Oki-pitches very well- Paps enters for the kill-damn

Tata-IIRC Timlin had more blown saves than Paps last year.

and Hughes? from what I saw he was consistently ahead of the hitters and had them off-balance all nite, a very nice performance

brutal luck on the hammy- out ~4-6 weeks:

price for Rocket notchs up again.

think Cash dropped a dime last nite?



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 07:55:55 AM
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If you think I'm stupid enough to bet with you again bro then you really are a Red Sox fan.

I am a Red Sox fan and for heavens sake, try to show a little courage. It's May 1.

I was tryin to be nice PK. I didn't want to say that I wasn't stupid enough to bet with an affirmed welcher a second time.

Uhhh...did I just say that? Oops.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 07:56:07 AM
Thanks Bankshot. I think you may be right on Timlin.

Agreed that's a tough break for Hughes. He had quite the no no going there and it didn't look like things would change. You have to start wondering whether the Yankees strength coach is limited to what my 2nd grade teacher used to say "Reach, now stretch, now do your very best".


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 08:23:33 AM
Great outing by Hughes. And as I said earlier when he got beat by the Jays you could once again see why this guy is going to be an Ace.

Yep it's finally out of my mouth. I said it, an Ace. Been wanting to say that since I saw him pitch down in the minors.

That is one nasty 6-12 he's got goin on there. The change is definitely a plus pitch too. His control is what impresses me the most though when you take into consideration the quality of the pitches he throws. Some guys have great action on their pitches but don't really control that action. Sometimes the saying is overused but this kid really does have pinpoint control. Plus he mixes his pitches up well and has what I like to call a pitchers mind. El Duque and Moose are an example of guys with a pitchers mind along with Glavine. But I'm not sure any of them ever had a 94 mph FB to back it up.

The official line has him out for 4-6 weeks. But I wouldn't be surprised if it was only two or three weeks because you just never know about a hammy. On the flipside he could be out for 8 weeks.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 08:40:11 AM
Tough loss last night.  Papelbon looked very mortal last night.

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Does anyone remember if Papelbon wound up leading the league in blown saves last year? I remember he was leading the pack with 5 at one point

He finished last season with 6 blown saves, tying him with 7 other relievers at #19th in most blown saves category in the majors. Ambiorix Burgos finished 'first' with 12 blown saves.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 08:43:16 AM
Didn't see any of the Yankee game but sounds like Hughes was impressive.  Tough way to leave a no-hitter.

Last time a Yanks rookie went that many innings of no-hit ball was DePaula in '03


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 08:44:12 AM
Tough loss last night.  Papelbon looked very mortal last night.

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Does anyone remember if Papelbon wound up leading the league in blown saves last year? I remember he was leading the pack with 5 at one point

He finished last season with 6 blown saves, tying him with 7 other relievers at #19th in most blown saves category in the majors. Ambiorix Burgos finished 'first' with 12 blown saves.



I wouldn't worry about Paps Liq. It happens.

What I did like, if I were a Sox fan, was the way he reacted. Tough kid.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 08:46:22 AM
Its got to be tough to be a Ranger fan these days, they aren't getting much in the pitching department as per usual, but their offense is really stumbling too


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 08:49:10 AM
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I wouldn't worry about Paps Liq. It happens.

Yeah, I'd love for him to be invincible but even Rivera blows a save from time to time.....

I just hope that he was off last night and it wasn't something else.  His fastball really wasn't lighting up the gun and his command was nothing special.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 08:57:58 AM
You know, I'm starting to get the feeling this may not be the Yankees' year.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 02, 2007, 09:41:28 AM
Blown save by Papelbon last night goes to show that the good ones all come down to earth occasionally.

Does anyone remember if Papelbon wound up leading the league in blown saves last year? I remember he was leading the pack with 5 at one point.

STREET blew 11

Not sure if anyone else had more than Papelbon and Todd Jones' 6.

The 3 top guys in saves blew 4 each (Jenks, KRod, Ryan).  Mo of course had just 3


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 02, 2007, 09:45:23 AM
You know, I'm starting to get the feeling this may not be the Yankees' year.

Maybe you ought to take that over to the Times' board.

Hughes was unbelievably impressive last night and there really is nothing more to say other than it's better the hamstring than the arm.  They now have to COUNT on another Aaron Small or Shawn Chacon coming out of the woodwork.

While I've become loath to go after older pitchers with injury histories, at this point I think the Yankees might have to go after somebody like Jon Lieber (who I've always liked) just to fill out a rotation.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 02, 2007, 09:48:06 AM
Further..........

Rivera has had 6 or more blown saves 3 times - and of course is working on a 4th (2 already).  His high is 9 back in his very mediocre '97 season.

We have already gone over how Mo never had a statistically dominant season (hits allowed, K rate, etc) like BonBon's 2006.

Jonathan now at 5 hits allowed with 15 K (3.0 rate among if not THE best in history), which startlingly trails Okajima's 5 hits and 18 K (3.6)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 02, 2007, 09:49:08 AM
You know, I'm starting to get the feeling this may not be the Yankees' year.

Maybe you ought to take that over to the Times' board.

Hughes was unbelievably impressive last night and there really is nothing more to say other than it's better the hamstring than the arm.  They now have to COUNT on another Aaron Small or Shawn Chacon coming out of the woodwork.

While I've become loath to go after older pitchers with injury histories, at this point I think the Yankees might have to go after somebody like Jon Lieber (who I've always liked) just to fill out a rotation.

Chan Ho might be available


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 02, 2007, 09:57:07 AM
Ouch.  Maybe Kevin Brown is, too. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 02, 2007, 10:02:09 AM
Goal for today:  Stay off of any board having to do, even remotely, with politics.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 10:06:27 AM
I had read the the Ys scouts are high on a kid, Steve Nebraska who pitchs in the Mexican League


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 10:14:07 AM
Saw none of either game. Must have been a bit of a shock to see Pap give up the hr. I remember last year we sat around for a while to see how he'd face adversity. this year, not so much.

Cap, the only reason that you don't have your nickel is that you never gave me either your address or your email. The only reason you won't make a similar bet this year is that you think you'll lose.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 02, 2007, 10:14:35 AM
Terrible movie, but why not take a flyer?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 10:19:04 AM
I didn't realize people can still post in the NYTimes baseball forum. How do you do that?

Not sure that I want to though. Yankguy appears to have taken exception to being called Red -faced by some poster there. I suppose that I might be bothered about comments about my fandom  too. It can really strike a nerve.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 10:30:22 AM
Ouch.  Maybe Kevin Brown is, too. 
I'm sure they could dredge up Jaime Navarro.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 10:33:16 AM
Goal for today:  Stay off of any board having to do, even remotely, with politics.
You should have learned by now there are simply some places where reason and logic is not in fashion.  It is the essence of fandom, whether the object is a sports team or a president or a media personality.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 10:37:29 AM
as its only May 2, and most teams still have dreams of making the post-season, it may by near-impossible to trade for a half-decent starter now. And if a team choses to trade with the Ys, they would have max-leverage.

edit: fwiw, (very little) I always thought very highly of elyankee on the NYT board. His elegant use of prose together with his unsurpassed knowledge of the game made him (it) a truly superlative poster.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 10:38:13 AM
You know, I'm starting to get the feeling this may not be the Yankees' year.

Silver lining Steve.

The Yanks were looking to limit this guys innings this year.

Well, this'll do it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 10:41:34 AM
I'm just reminded a little bit of the Tribe's 2000 season, although the injuries that year to the staff were fewer but more severe.  By midyear, we were using people like Kane Davis and Paul (Hey, he had a great game against the Yankees) Rigdon and Jaime "Lousy Pitcher" Navarro.  By the time we righted the ship, pitching-wise, it was too late to make a run at the White Sox.

What's The Yankees' five man rotation now?  Are Moose and Wang back?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 02, 2007, 10:48:35 AM
Pettitte, Moose, Wang, Igawa next 4


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 02, 2007, 10:48:47 AM
fwiw, (very little) I always thought very highly of elyankee on the NYT board. His elegant use of prose together with his unsurpassed knowledge of the game made him (it) a truly superlative poster.

If I had known this beforehand, I would have gone a little easier on him.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 10:49:11 AM
Quote
I didn't realize people can still post in the NYTimes baseball forum. How do you do that?

the better question is: Why would you want to?

Right now its the forum of choice for the lame and feeble to voice their opinions and scream at those who offer a different thought.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 02, 2007, 10:50:11 AM
Goal for today:  Stay off of any board having to do, even remotely, with politics.

Betcha can't


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 10:50:21 AM
Quote
I didn't realize people can still post in the NYTimes baseball forum. How do you do that?

the better question is: Why would you want to?

Right now its the forum of choice for the lame and feeble to voice their opinions and scream at those who offer a different thought.
Anyone post there besides you?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 10:51:15 AM
Yankguy is having a bad day. Why are you referring to him as lame and feeble?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 10:52:29 AM
fwiw, (very little) I always thought very highly of elyankee on the NYT board. His elegant use of prose together with his unsurpassed knowledge of the game made him (it) a truly superlative poster.

If I had known this beforehand, I would have gone a little easier on him.

the guy is a f'ing moron.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 10:55:32 AM
Quote
Anyone post there besides you?

boz-that's very clever. Now its trish's paradise, where her voice and opinion is about the only one heard.

btw, you should be ashamed of yourself for enabling and encouraging that emotionally disturbed person.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 10:59:29 AM
Quote
Why are you referring to him as lame and feeble?

I heard he pullled his hammy on the Bush board.

i've the highest regard (well next to elyankee) for yank.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 11:09:22 AM
Quote
Anyone post there besides you?

boz-that's very clever. Now its trish's paradise, where her voice and opinion is about the only one heard.

btw, you should be ashamed of yourself for enabling and encouraging that emotionally disturbed person.
I thought that the two of you had made nice.

As with everyone I run across, I find that if you make allowances you can focus on her virtues.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 11:10:58 AM
Goal for today:  Stay off of any board having to do, even remotely, with politics.


Nah, you've already allowed yourself through the doorway of that black hole. Your toast.

Political forums are like black holes as intelligent thought, like light in an ordinary black hole, "may" go in. Only to never be seen again.

A word of advice YG buddy.

I remember an old John Wayne movie, Hatari or something like that I think. Well if anyone else remembers that movie there was a scene when Pockets(Red Buttons) shot a net over this huge friggin tree full of monkeys. When I picture political forums in my mind I always see "and hear" that scene of that tree full of monkeys. And when on the odd chance that I'm actually tempted to go in there and say something I remember all the improvised "armor" the actors of that movie had to put on so they could catch those monkeys. That has always managed to bring me back from the brink of the insanity of considering to participate in said type forums.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 11:13:44 AM
Saw none of either game. Must have been a bit of a shock to see Pap give up the hr. I remember last year we sat around for a while to see how he'd face adversity. this year, not so much.

Cap, the only reason that you don't have your nickel is that you never gave me either your address or your email. The only reason you won't make a similar bet this year is that you think you'll lose.

Okay okay, stop yer whinin already. I'll let you go double or nothin on the nickel you owe me. Aight?

 But when I win this time you had better cough up or I'm coming over there with a few of my boys see.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 11:17:44 AM
Quote
I didn't realize people can still post in the NYTimes baseball forum. How do you do that?

the better question is: Why would you want to?

Right now its the forum of choice for the lame and feeble to voice their opinions and scream at those who offer a different thought.

Schlit!!

I gotta go.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 11:20:43 AM
Quote
Anyone post there besides you?

boz-that's very clever. Now its trish's paradise, where her voice and opinion is about the only one heard.

btw, you should be ashamed of yourself for enabling and encouraging that emotionally disturbed person.
I thought that the two of you had made nice.

As with everyone I run across, I find that if you make allowances you can focus on her virtues.

I think I said something uncomplimentary about some Y-elements, maybe that I didn't like their new ST uniforms and she went nuts. And I became public enigma #1.

And she even docked me my QOTD points!!!

And while she may have a ton of very endearing personal traits, after 10 years of her nuttiness and intolerance for other opinions, I got tired of making allowances for her.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 11:31:15 AM

Okay okay, stop yer whinin already. I'll let you go double or nothin on the nickel you owe me. Aight?

 But when I win this time you had better cough up or I'm coming over there with a few of my boys see.


Damn it. There goes the division. I thought for sure cap would hold the line on this.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 11:34:02 AM
bank -

Well, I suppose that being a Red Sox fan makes the allowances harder, while sharing her disdain for those crimsonhosed jackasses makes it easier.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 02, 2007, 11:55:08 AM
bank -

Well, I suppose that being a Red Sox fan makes the allowances harder, while sharing her disdain for those crimsonhosed jackasses makes it easier.

boz-you're free to rationalize and put up with her childish behavior in a forum, in any manner you'd like. I no longer will.

Even if if does cost me my Elbian QOTD points!!!!!!



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: law120b on May 02, 2007, 12:49:11 PM
steve has more than he knows what to do with, so he can spare some.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: lisa mariner on May 02, 2007, 01:03:13 PM
Quote
Chan Ho might be available

Jeff Weaver definitely is ;-)



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 02:46:49 PM
What is QOTD?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 02, 2007, 02:51:29 PM
Offhand I would guess Question Of The Day Liq.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 02, 2007, 02:54:17 PM
I'm going with Queen of the Damned.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 02, 2007, 02:56:35 PM
Isn't it "Quote of the Day"?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 02, 2007, 02:57:01 PM
Quit Or Try Dying


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 02:57:17 PM
Great pic, YG


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 02, 2007, 02:58:07 PM
I'm looking out for you, Liq.  Always remember that.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 02, 2007, 03:04:13 PM
I'm going with Queen of the Damned.

I'm laughing so hard my iced tea is coming out of my nose.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 03:14:41 PM
I'm looking out for you, Liq.  Always remember that.

Thanks, and always remember, feminism was established so as to allow unattractive
women easier access to the mainstream of society.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 02, 2007, 03:44:09 PM
That's funny. I always thought feminism was established so we could vote, own property, and make our own choices as to health care.

You need a Phyllis Schlafly avatar.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 02, 2007, 04:06:35 PM
MAUDE

I's a male myth about feminists that we hate sex.  It can be a natural, zesty enterprise. However there are some people - it is called satyriasis in men, nymphomania in women - who engage in it compulsively and without joy.          
                         

                                                 
                       


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 04:10:04 PM
Here's some surprising news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/03/sports/baseball/03miller.html?8br (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/03/sports/baseball/03miller.html?8br)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 02, 2007, 04:11:34 PM
MAUDE

I's a male myth about feminists that we hate sex.  It can be a natural, zesty enterprise. However there are some people - it is called satyriasis in men, nymphomania in women - who engage in it compulsively and without joy.          
                         

                                                 
                       
Are you sure?  All the feminists I tried to get to sleep with me a second time when I was single said that they hated sex.  Although, to be fair, they also added the words, "with you."


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 04:17:12 PM
Here's some surprising news:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/03/sports/baseball/03miller.html?8br (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/03/sports/baseball/03miller.html?8br)

Director of performance enhancement?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 04:17:57 PM
MAUDE

I's a male myth about feminists that we hate sex.  It can be a natural, zesty enterprise. However there are some people - it is called satyriasis in men, nymphomania in women - who engage in it compulsively and without joy.         
                         

                                                 
                       
Are you sure?  All the feminists I tried to get to sleep with me a second time when I was single said that they hated sex.  Although, to be fair, they also added the words, "with you."

LMAO


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 04:24:54 PM
It's obvious that you guys don't get it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 04:36:16 PM
If by it, you mean IT, you're right.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 04:41:13 PM
If by it, you mean IT, you're right.

My sympathies.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 04:44:59 PM
Forget the sympathies, man. Fedex it to us.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 04:46:07 PM
Forget the sympathies, man. Fedex it to us.

So that's how you usually get it?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 04:49:07 PM
Always.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 04:51:23 PM
Always.

It must get awfully lonely making IT with a Fed Ex Ground envelope.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 05:06:31 PM
Do you think I'm talking about sex?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 05:10:31 PM
Do you think I'm talking about sex?

If you are smart, you won't be talking about IT anymore. I think we've heard enough.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 05:15:59 PM
Disappointing end to the conversation. Typical of a newbie.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 02, 2007, 05:18:25 PM
Disappointing end to the conversation. Typical of a newbie.

Why waste my time with someone who is probably hung like half used #2 pencil


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 05:24:38 PM
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Why waste my time with someone who is probably hung like half used #2 pencil

Significant Other forum ----->

EDIT: And this is a clue. Makes me think ST is somewhat feminine. Seems to know a bit about baseball. That rules out Trish. (It was a joke). Had to have come somewhere from the NYT. Has to be from the Northeast  because she likes the AL East. Doesn't like me, so not a Sox fan.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 02, 2007, 05:46:55 PM
Do you think I'm talking about sex?

If you are smart, you won't be talking about IT anymore. I think we've heard enough.

And I think we've seen enough o' that azz as well


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 02, 2007, 05:50:00 PM
A real woman wouldn't put a picture of someone else's butt in her profile. Nor would she put a pic of her own butt. And she wouldn't be obsessed with "hung-ness".


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 05:54:48 PM
So this is a guy pretending to be a woman?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 02, 2007, 06:20:34 PM
That would be my guess. Look for the Adam's apple, it's a dead giveaway. You can sometimes tell from the hands also.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 06:41:26 PM
I could have used this tip when I was living in NYC. And the first time I saw The Crying Game.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 02, 2007, 06:43:46 PM
Reminds me of that cartoon from the New Yorker.

"On the internet no one knows you're a dog" was the caption.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 10:20:30 PM
Crisp with the web gem.  Beckett 6-0


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 02, 2007, 10:21:48 PM
Cora should be the regular at second this season he is pure clutch.  His numbers in limited action are sick. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 02, 2007, 10:23:42 PM
Coco can't play D? Key hit as well. KEEP COCO.

I'd like to feel good about this game but you have to realize that the A's led for a half inning.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on May 02, 2007, 11:17:11 PM
PK,"So this is a guy pretending to be a woman",Whiskey what was the name of our "Japanese Friend" in the book forums all those years? She/He's tag escapes me at the moment.Her/Him and that Brit twit that tag teamed with her/him.Wasn't his Wilsonsnook something.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 03, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
Crisp with the web gem.  Beckett 6-0

Saw it on SC Liq. Nice catch.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 03, 2007, 09:15:14 AM
Coco gets great jumps on the ball.  I think he plays too deep, though.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 03, 2007, 09:22:52 AM
There's a lot of fire in Crisp's game right now. He's been a bit lucky in this hitting streak, but he's playing like he's on a mission. It's great to see if you're a Sox fan (and it's time I admitted it, I am).

You know what's great about the "I'm Not Dead Yet" NYT forum? You can still log in there and read a re-posting of the Times sports page. What would we do without it?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2007, 09:59:44 AM
PK,"So this is a guy pretending to be a woman",Whiskey what was the name of our "Japanese Friend" in the book forums all those years? She/He's tag escapes me at the moment.Her/Him and that Brit twit that tag teamed with her/him.Wasn't his Wilsonsnook something.
The faux giesha was kiyoko6, later ouioui.  Or more likely, Brian, a Canadian rugby player.  The hyperintelligent and pandemensional genius deadloss (aka... way too many names) let us know that "her" Japanese was written by a man, from the word choices, grammar and form.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2007, 10:02:43 AM
While last night was not Beckett at his best, he is becoming the guy we were waiting for. Godot (had to) is mixing is pitchs pretty well, and when he drops that hook, fuhhhhhhgedaboutit. That is one nasty curve.

on the Y-front, a double-header in Texas today. Not what that staff needs right now.

on the Tribe front, nice win last night over the BJs on Hafner's, shifty-whatshoulda been a ground ball out-game winning double.


edit: was it scored a double?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2007, 10:12:49 AM
While last night was not Beckett at his best, he is becoming the guy we were waiting for. Godot (had to) is mixing is pitchs pretty well, and when he drops that hook, fuhhhhhhgedaboutit. That is one nasty curve.

on the Y-front, a double-header in Texas today. Not what that staff needs right now.

on the Tribe front, nice win last night over the BJs on Hafner's, shifty-whatshoulda been a ground ball out-game winning double.


Tampa Bay was playing Hafner with three outfielders on the right side of the infield and four outfielders.  I guess they've pulled that on Ortiz also.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2007, 10:15:49 AM
yup, the Madden shift is used with Ortiz too. He usually grounds out to the bullpen scored as 9-3.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2007, 10:18:19 AM
The thing is, Hafner will hit the ball to left if it is pitched there; he's not a dead pull hitter.  That's the third or fourth time this year he has beaten the shift that way.  The pitch he hit last night was low and away - ball four, actually.  If you are going to play that shift, you have to pitch him so that he hits into the shift, or else he will do what he did last night.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 03, 2007, 10:45:51 AM
Yeah, YG, I agree that Crisp plays too deep.  I guess he figures it gets him on Sportscenter more often.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2007, 10:49:53 AM
Yeah, YG, I agree that Crisp plays too deep.  I guess he figures it gets him on Sportscenter more often.
No, he plays deep for a very simple reason: he comes in much better on balls than he goes back.  Watch him closely and you'll see that.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 03, 2007, 12:38:48 PM
Who have thunk going into the season that the Red Sox player  named AL Rookie of the Month for April --  would be Okajima?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 03, 2007, 12:40:35 PM
And who would have thunk that Okajima would have a month like that after watching his first-ever MLB pitch hit over the fence in right field?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 03, 2007, 07:06:16 PM
I agree that Coco moves forward better than he moves back. I'd have to say that most players do as well. I have seen Coco make some breathtaking plays going back, and have also seen him miss some  in that regard (the Arod hr off Schilling for one, still a hell of an effort).


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 03, 2007, 10:40:12 PM
Brutal first inning by DiceK. All those walks and then a couple of errors. 5 runs on one hit.

Nice to see the Sox come right back and manny to go deep late.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 03, 2007, 11:18:03 PM
I picked up the game in the 2nd, so I mised stumbling Dice.

Good win in an ugly game.

IMo it ws key that Oki + Paps both got some downtime. I was getting a little concerned about Tito's yen for Oki in the 8th.

On to the hefty bag.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on May 04, 2007, 01:20:40 AM
Did anyone read The New Yorker article on Manny a few weeks back.I just read it today and its pretty good.One thing though early in the article the author talks about Manny standing in the box after a ball four call several times and when asked about it states that when he is in the batters box he zones all that out and waits for the umpire to tell him it is ball four.Francona even talks about how he was wondering what was going on the first few times he saw it.But later in the article the author talks about a spring training game tis year and how he watched Manny trot to first on what he thought was ball four only to be summoned back.It was the April 23rd issue.Also where was John on the 9th toniight? A one run lead about to go on the road for 3? and no closer.I hope his wildness the other night does not mean something is wrong just that they are regulating his innings.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on May 04, 2007, 01:28:18 AM
My mistake,They are on the road for 6 Minn and Toronto then 10 at home including the Braves and 4 with Detroit then back to Yankee Stadium so maybe they are just resting the closer.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 04, 2007, 06:33:24 AM
Manny's second shot was a thing to admire.

But what is with Yo-Yo Matsusaka. Second straight game where he walked the bases loaded only to retire a bunch of guys in row afterwards. Here he trails 5-0 after 1, ultimately allowing 7 runs, 5 hits and 5 walks in 5 innings. Now he is sporting a 5.45 ERA and walked 15 in 38 innings.  Is it time to bring out Hideki Irabu's magnets?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
Dice-k's 1-inning implosions/bouts with wildness are a lttle troubling, but no reason (yet) for real concern. IMO he's still climbing the AL learning curve, so the results may be spotty from time to time. But, from what we know and have seen his stuff is too good for him to pitch crappy on a consistent basis. I figure he''ll get it figured out.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 09:23:35 AM
Dice-K really seems to have trouble finding the plate at Fenway.  There is quite a gap in his home vs. road splits.

I think it was inevitable that he would struggle a bit transitioning from Japan to the AL.  Look at Beckett's struggles last season when he moved over from the NL - and he was at least pitching in the majors. 

I think Dice-K will be fine in the long run, his stuff is wicked.  But he's definitely having some command issues



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 04, 2007, 09:25:46 AM
I'm thinking that his ERA this season is probably not going to approach Bob Gibson's 1968 level.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 04, 2007, 09:41:13 AM
How can that be, yankguy?  He was going to be unhittable, move right into the majors without any bumps or adjustments!  I'm sure I read something like that, somewhere.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 04, 2007, 09:46:11 AM
How can that be, yankguy?  He was going to be unhittable, move right into the majors without any bumps or adjustments!  I'm sure I read something like that, somewhere.

Right you are! He was touted as the Messiahsaka. Learning curve?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 09:46:44 AM
re: Gibsons '68- I still scratch my head that Gibson managed to "lose" 9 games that year.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 09:49:12 AM
boz-where did you read that Dice-k was going to be unhittable?

and fwiw he's been more "wild" than hit very hard.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 09:51:24 AM
I see Hargrove is putting the blame for yesterday's loss squarely on the ump for not calling Manny's checked his swing on a 2-1 pitch a strike.... 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 09:52:05 AM
Quote
boz-where did you read that Dice-k was going to be unhittable?

I believe that was the opinion of one senorswat


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 09:56:26 AM
senorswat?

ah, so boz takes the opinion of one fan and extrapolates that all sox fans expect a sub-2 era and no-nos on a consistent basis?

got it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 04, 2007, 10:01:47 AM
He and I made no such extrapolation.  We are (or at least I am) merely tweaking the Sox fan that claimed it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 04, 2007, 10:03:49 AM
boz-where did you read that Dice-k was going to be unhittable?

and fwiw he's been more "wild" than hit very hard.
I got it as a response pretty much every time I saiid something like, let's see how he does against major league hitters.  I got that not just from kid, too.

For the record, he has impressive stuff and I'm sure he'll have very good end numbers.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 04, 2007, 10:08:11 AM
Quote
For the record, he has impressive stuff and I'm sure he'll have very good end numbers.

Maybe you should calm down a bit with this wild optimism and see how he does after a few months of facing major league hitters.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 10:09:21 AM
boz-how many times have you seen Dice-k pitch?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 04, 2007, 10:11:01 AM
Quote
For the record, he has impressive stuff and I'm sure he'll have very good end numbers.

Maybe you should calm down a bit with this wild optimism and see how he does after a few months of facing major league hitters.

Why should Red Sox fans abandon their wild optimism and deal with a few months of reality?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 04, 2007, 10:11:42 AM
I've seen a couple innings here and there, against the Yankees and his second game.  I haven't seen anything sustained, but enough to get an impression of his stuff but not his approach to pitching.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 10:14:28 AM
Quote
I've seen a couple innings here and there, against the Yankees and his second game.  I haven't seen anything sustained, but enough to get an impression of his stuff but not his approach to pitching.

just a few innings? that's what I thought.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 04, 2007, 10:24:36 AM
I was actually impressed with Matsuzaka last night. He threw a ton of pitches in the first inning and wasn't getting some calls he thought were strikes. But he kept his poise even as the runs started coming in, two off of two groundball errors.

He settled down thereafter and should have won the game, again but for another error.

He has great stuff and is unflappable in pressure. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 04, 2007, 10:33:21 AM
Bob Ryan makes a good point in his column today. It's great to have DiceK, Papi, Manny, Papelbon and Beckett, but the better than expected 18-9 record is due to Okajima and Cora.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 04, 2007, 10:38:09 AM
pk -

Yep, bull pen.  Tribe's 17-8 because the pen has been so good (Hernandez aside) that we're winning even though half the team, right now, couldn't hit water from a diving board.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 04, 2007, 10:48:40 AM
Bob Ryan makes a good point in his column today. It's great to have DiceK, Papi, Manny, Papelbon and Beckett, but the better than expected 18-9 record is due to Okajima and Cora.

Poppycock,

On scoring:

Anyone have any insight into why all the runs were earned last night.  Seems the 2 Lugo errors would have ended the inning.  4 ER that inning seemed right, though of course with a DP it would hasve been even less than that.

Was Daisuke missing badly early?  Hope to catch the replay this afternoon.

5.45.  Yikes.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 04, 2007, 10:48:59 AM
The Red Sox are winning because David Ortiz hugs the opposing shortstop when he is retired on the basepaths. This is called "inside baseball."

J.C. Romero is 1-for-1 in save opportunities. This is called "far-out baseball."

These facts, and the fact that Matsuzaka was as bad as he was in the first inning and the Sox still got five innings out of him and won anyway, tell us that the Promised Land is in sight.


P.S. PK, I hope you've been brushing up on your "Fargo" quotes. Prowler needs a jump.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 04, 2007, 10:57:16 AM
2 days off for BonBon

Nice to see that unlike NY the Sox have solid substitute closers

Hansack promotion good for him, but a mistake.  Let the guy continue to rock as a starter.  Garbage innings from him help noone.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 11:07:15 AM
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but the better than expected 18-9 record is due to Okajima and Cora.

IMO the better than expected start has been a reflection of many contributors, (imcluding the gents mentioned above) but if you stray too far from the fact that starters are going about 7 IP with strong performances, the big picture may have escaped (generic) you.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 04, 2007, 11:21:33 AM
While I agree that it has been pitching that makes the Sox tick, I think Ryan's point (with which the generic me agrees) is that a successful team needs contributions from 1-25 over the course of a season.

That aside, Okajima has been incredible. He has replaced Timlin, who may never get it back.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 04, 2007, 11:34:25 AM
Good job by Theo with the pen.  Hope Donnelly can step up given a greater workload.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 12:00:00 PM
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I think Ryan's point (with which the generic me agrees) is that a successful team needs contributions from 1-25 over the course of a season.

pk-I just read the Ryan piece and that was his point-HIS SECOND POINT and I agree with it as well, I mean who can forget the huge contributions of wazzhisname, you know the pinch-runner, the last guy off the bench, in game 4 of the '04 ALCS...

heh

but his original point was:

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1. PITCHING, PITCHING, PITCHING

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... This is neither 2003 nor 2004, when the Red Sox scored 961 and 949 runs, respectively. The 2007 Sox are an OK offensive team, nothing more. They've had some tepid nights at the plate already, and you should prepare yourself for at least a half-dozen more shutouts or 3/4-hit nights, and not always against a primo starter, either.

Pitching has placed the 2007 Sox at the top of the AL East, and pitching is what will keep them there.

edit: Ryan wants the sox to get Clemens-as in: you can't have enough big pictures 


 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 04, 2007, 02:06:21 PM
How can that be, yankguy?  He was going to be unhittable, move right into the majors without any bumps or adjustments!  I'm sure I read something like that, somewhere.

Who would say something like that Steve?? I mean it's not like someone would be crazy enough to say he's going to have an ERA of 2.00 or less right?


Title: Otten Sells Share of Red Sox
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 02:27:15 PM
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/05/03/ap3682251.html


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 02:29:16 PM
Jacoby Ellsbury was promoted to Pawtucket today

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Ellsbury appeared in 17 games with the Sea Dogs in 2007 hitting a Minor League Baseball best .452. He leads the Eastern League in hits (33), doubles (10), on base percentage (.518) and slugging percentage (.644). Ellsbury has hit safely in 15 consecutive games, the longest hitting streak for a Sea Dog since Brett Roneberg hit safely in 18 straight games in 2004. Ellsbury has reached base safely in 25 consecutive games dating back to August 27th, 2006 and 61 of the 66 games that he has played with the Sea Dogs

http://oursportscentral.com/services/releases/?id=3464322


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: lisa mariner on May 04, 2007, 02:42:32 PM
I see Hargrove is putting the blame for yesterday's loss squarely on the ump for not calling Manny's checked his swing on a 2-1 pitch a strike.... 

Would be moot had Horacio done his job.  Gotta love Chris' attitude though ...
http://www.thenewstribune.com/555/story/54608.html (http://www.thenewstribune.com/555/story/54608.html)
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Reistma held himself accountable.

“There’s no excuses,” he said. “The bottom line is, I made a bad pitch in a tight spot, and he hit it out. There’s really no excuses for that.”


'K RSGs, let's hear a  "Go M's!"  or four ;)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 02:44:53 PM
The M's should definitely have some edge on the matchups with Matt DeSalvo and Darrell Rasner pitching for the Yanks


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 04, 2007, 03:34:53 PM
DAISUKE still a clear 3.0 on my 3 point pitcher rating scale


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 03:35:34 PM
Well I'm relieved....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 04, 2007, 03:45:36 PM
DAISUKE still a clear 3.0 on my 3 point pitcher rating scale

Glad to hear it.

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 04, 2007, 03:49:13 PM
What happens when his ERA drops under 5.00?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 04, 2007, 03:52:13 PM
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Who would say something like that Steve??

probably the same type of exuberant guy who after watching a rookie pitcher throw a good-game against a bad-team, declare said hurler an "ace".


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 04, 2007, 03:53:50 PM
Was Proctor that ace?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 04, 2007, 03:54:30 PM
What happens when his ERA drops under 5.00?

Don't know - but we should see real soon.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 04, 2007, 03:57:41 PM
What happens when his ERA drops under 5.00?

Don't know - but we should see real soon.

I don't doubt it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 04, 2007, 04:33:37 PM
More transaction bullspit

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-indiansmoves&prov=ap&type=lgns

How th f--- does Cleveland justify sending Choo down?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 04, 2007, 11:46:20 PM
Outstanding game. Wake was tremendous. I knew he had his good knuckler when Mirabelli had a hard time catching his stuff in the first inning.

Silva also pitched great, but papi just crushed that ball. Plus, the third game in a week that Coco has made a great catch. Too bad he can't go back on a ball.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 05, 2007, 12:08:57 AM
The most impressive part of the game was seeing Paps come in with good velocity and getting through the ninth without a hitch.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 05, 2007, 12:31:43 AM
More transaction bullspit

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-indiansmoves&prov=ap&type=lgns

How th f--- does Cleveland justify sending Choo down?
Easy.  Because Westie only went an inning and a third, we used every pitcher in the pen the other day.  We needed to bring up some insurance for the bull pen.  Also, with Marte out, Blake plays third, meaning that as things stand either Delucci or Nixon plays against left handed pitchers, which just simply ought not to be.  They want a right handed hitting outfielder.  Choo is a lefty.

I probably would not have signed Dellucci - I like Choo - but I must admit I like some of the things Dellucci brings to the table.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 05, 2007, 04:49:21 AM
There was a Trish-type floating around the NYT forums - some kind of hanger-on Yankee 'fan' - and Red Sox hater - has she flown under the radar and gotten on here with a new name? Wonder how she's doing with her last place Bronx Bombers - and with her favorite player - Alex - being the only one keeping them above AA?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 05, 2007, 09:19:49 AM
only saw the tail-end of the pitcher's duel in the hefty bag and the epic struggle in the Bronx last nite.

pk-it seems you hardly got cheated by the baseball gods

fwiw, I like the sox #4 better than the Ys #4.

fwiw2, the Ys line-up can win just about any ball game

fwiw3 if trish posts here, she will out herself pdq


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 05, 2007, 09:29:47 AM
The most impressive part of the game was seeing Paps come in with good velocity and getting through the ninth without a hitch.

the Twinkies laid some lumber on Paps in the 9th, no damage, but I wonder if something might be off, hope not...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 05, 2007, 08:14:06 PM
Hat's Off to Chien-Ming Wang of the Yankees. A masterful performance today. Sat 22 down in a row before giving up a HR.

Do Taiwanese pitchers have to go through the same system as Japan to get over hear?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 05, 2007, 09:33:33 PM
Wow, Tavarez has been impressive this outing.  Would have never thought he'd have gone longer than Santana


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 05, 2007, 09:54:31 PM
Boooooooooooooooooooo!

Didn't like that move by Terry

Pedroia over the Mendoza line with his 2-2 and a BB tonight - yet he goes to Cora vs Nathan


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on May 05, 2007, 10:52:12 PM
Did anyone watch the game?I'm wondering why Santana only went 5 innings.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 05, 2007, 11:12:14 PM
He wasn't very sharp, he completed the 5th with a  pitch count of 98 pitches.  It took him 30 pitches to get out of the 1st.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on May 05, 2007, 11:20:55 PM
Thats a lot of pitches  for 5 especially since he hasn't been to sharp of late.Thanks


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 05, 2007, 11:26:15 PM
The Red Sox had every opportunity to win that game.  They left 17 men on base.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 06, 2007, 12:08:29 AM
That was a lot closer than you'd expect given the sp's. Except for Pedroia, Sox never got a timely hit.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 07:48:06 AM
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Who would say something like that Steve??

probably the same type of exuberant guy who after watching a rookie pitcher throw a good-game against a bad-team, declare said hurler an "ace".

Oh so now it was a bad team?

So what happens when/if the Bosox "lose" to that "bad team" later this month? Do I get to zing one back at you?

The Yanks swept the Rangers. I'll expect the same out of the Sox later on this month.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 07:50:19 AM
There was a Trish-type floating around the NYT forums - some kind of hanger-on Yankee 'fan' - and Red Sox hater - has she flown under the radar and gotten on here with a new name? Wonder how she's doing with her last place Bronx Bombers - and with her favorite player - Alex - being the only one keeping them above AA?

For that matter, since you obviously know the Times forum, who the fluck are you??


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 07:57:28 AM
So far young Cervelli seems to be a keeper. Have to keep an eye on that one.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 06, 2007, 08:00:15 AM
It was years ago (2000?) so irrelevant (in fact I don't even recall the 'pen name' I used) but I looked in a few times at beginning of this season and saw she was still raging and ranting as she had done then. But if her goal was to dominate the forum in just about every way - she succeeded - so do hope she doesn't turn up here.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 08:15:04 AM
It was years ago (2000?) so irrelevant (in fact I don't even recall the 'pen name' I used) but I looked in a few times at beginning of this season and saw she was still raging and ranting as she had done then. But if her goal was to dominate the forum in just about every way - she succeeded - so do hope she doesn't turn up here.

Gimmie a break.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 06, 2007, 08:28:28 AM
Je ne comprend pas


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 06, 2007, 09:26:28 AM
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Who would say something like that Steve??

probably the same type of exuberant guy who after watching a rookie pitcher throw a good-game against a bad-team, declare said hurler an "ace".

Oh so now it was a bad team?

So what happens when/if the Bosox "lose" to that "bad team" later this month? Do I get to zing one back at you?

The Yanks swept the Rangers. I'll expect the same out of the Sox later on this month.

Sweeps against any team are difficult even the really bad ones.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 09:28:54 AM
I doubt you'd not recall the pen name you used.

You know who you are. How about letting the rest of us in on it.

But that aside, coming here and bitching about Trish the first thing is a great way to talk baseball. Yep.

I'm already hearing enough of that residual stuff from some of the Sox fans who can't let go of their anger. You try and leave that kind of BS behind and it just keeps sucking you back in.

Like I said, gimmie a break.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 09:33:52 AM
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Who would say something like that Steve??

probably the same type of exuberant guy who after watching a rookie pitcher throw a good-game against a bad-team, declare said hurler an "ace".

Oh so now it was a bad team?

So what happens when/if the Bosox "lose" to that "bad team" later this month? Do I get to zing one back at you?

The Yanks swept the Rangers. I'll expect the same out of the Sox later on this month.

Sweeps against any team are difficult even the really bad ones.

Yep. But if Dice pitches against them and loses then RM is going to have to eat a bit of crow.(Just a small bite or two)

And FTR when Dice does something "worthy" of being called an Ace I'll call him one. So far he hasn't. He's getting somewhere between a mediocre to decent grade in my book so far.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 06, 2007, 09:39:47 AM
Wait. You've decided Hughes is an ace, but Matsuzaka isn't?



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 06, 2007, 09:54:02 AM


I doubt you'd not recall the pen name you used.

I sure don't - I had a bookshelf in front of me where I had the computer - and would just make up names from the authors I could see on the bookbindings. If you recall - 2000 (2001?) - was a particularly wild time on the NYT - they permitted all kinds of stuff - colors - huge text - whatever - and people were being thrown off constantly and re-inventing themselves - this Trish-type had a 12345 name and people would make up names that looked like hers etc -

I asked about her here because that was NO fun - and when I looked in at the start of the season she was still controlling everything - so I asked to see if it was going to be the same case here as there is no point investing any time or thought if it is quickly going to devolve into that nonsense


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 06, 2007, 10:04:00 AM
Trish has said she wouldn't post here. So you're "safe".

Now, miracles do happen and I don't know how she'll resist a post or two if the Yankees start heating up. But that's just my opinion.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 06, 2007, 10:23:11 AM
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Who would say something like that Steve??

probably the same type of exuberant guy who after watching a rookie pitcher throw a good-game against a bad-team, declare said hurler an "ace".

Oh so now it was a bad team?

So what happens when/if the Bosox "lose" to that "bad team" later this month? Do I get to zing one back at you?

The Yanks swept the Rangers. I'll expect the same out of the Sox later on this month.

Sweeps against any team are difficult even the really bad ones.

Yep. But if Dice pitches against them and loses then RM is going to have to eat a bit of crow.(Just a small bite or two)

And FTR when Dice does something "worthy" of being called an Ace I'll call him one. So far he hasn't. He's getting somewhere between a mediocre to decent grade in my book so far.

I'd still rather have Dice-K than not.  The guy has electric stuff.  There were bound to bumps in the road in making the transition from Japan. I have faith that he will put it altogether. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 06, 2007, 10:26:59 AM
Trish has said she wouldn't post here. So you're "safe".

Now, miracles do happen and I don't know how she'll resist a post or two if the Yankees start heating up. But that's just my opinion.

I kind of hope she and some of the other posters do make the transition if the Times ever gets around to shutting of the spigot.  Sure we had our disagreements and I never quite understood how someone that was banned from the forums would still seek to have others banned, but I think all and all it was a fun time.  It certainly made the work day fly by.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 11:16:12 AM
Wait. You've decided Hughes is an ace, but Matsuzaka isn't?



I don't believe I ever said Dice was an ace. Have you seen his last game?? He sucked. "."

And yeah I think Hughes is going to be an Ace. And I think he's going to be better than Dice.

Sue me.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 11:18:36 AM


I doubt you'd not recall the pen name you used.

I sure don't - I had a bookshelf in front of me where I had the computer - and would just make up names from the authors I could see on the bookbindings. If you recall - 2000 (2001?) - was a particularly wild time on the NYT - they permitted all kinds of stuff - colors - huge text - whatever - and people were being thrown off constantly and re-inventing themselves - this Trish-type had a 12345 name and people would make up names that looked like hers etc -

I asked about her here because that was NO fun - and when I looked in at the start of the season she was still controlling everything - so I asked to see if it was going to be the same case here as there is no point investing any time or thought if it is quickly going to devolve into that nonsense


Lets see, you could other things like fonts and Trish had a digit screen name and such but you couldn't remember who you were? Am I getting this right??

Uhh...Arrrgghhh???


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2007, 11:18:47 AM
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Oh so now it was a bad team?

So what happens when/if the Bosox "lose" to that "bad team" later this month? Do I get to zing one back at you?

The Yanks swept the Rangers. I'll expect the same out of the Sox later on this month.



My point cap, was not whether Hughes won or lost aganist a good or bad team, or whether he becomes a really good pitcher or even an ace,

BUT that you were just as much a cheerleader for Hughes as kid was for Dice-k.

except maybe you got bigger tits.

I love to play with boobs


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 06, 2007, 11:20:41 AM
"I'd still rather have Dice-K than not.  The guy has electric stuff.  There were bound to bumps in the road in making the transition from Japan. I have faith that he will put it altogether."  

Me too Liq. The guy has pitched like a decent #4 starter. Maybe even a #3. Nothing wrong with that.

I'm just saying he hasn't shown me or anyone else his Ace game yet.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 06, 2007, 11:21:58 AM
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And FTR when Dice does something "worthy" of being called an Ace I'll call him one.

My point is that Hughes has done nothing worthy of being called an ace, yet you call him one.

Yes I did see Matsuzaka's last game. Did you? He had a rough first inning but he certainly didn't suck. And if you think he hasn't had an "ace" game, then you missed his KC and Toronto starts.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2007, 11:24:18 AM
"But if Dice pitches against them and loses then RM is going to have to eat a bit of crow.(Just a small bite or two)"

cap-

What crow? I expected and posted that i thought Dice-k would get hit and lose this year as he transitioned to the AL. I also posted I thought he had great stuff and if given run support that RJ received last year he would probably be a 17 game winner. If he loses to Texas, so what, good pitchers even great pitcher lose ballgames. i would have thought you knew that.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 06, 2007, 11:27:44 AM
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BUT that you were just as much a cheerleader for Hughes as kid was for Dice-k.

Exactly. Mr. "I got religion and you shouldn't engage in any smack talk" has a quiver in his pants for Hughes and does the same thing he accuses other fanboys of doing.

Not a problem. Just a bit amusing.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2007, 11:34:02 AM
Napolean

fwiw (very little) I too wondered who you may have been at the NYT forum, as you seemed to have a degree of familairity with the group dynamic.

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I doubt you'd not recall the pen name you used.

You know who you are. How about letting the rest of us in on it.


this from a guy (Doctor Doom/Nomad and others) who when asked if he was "cap" at the NYT forum said  "no".

heh.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 06, 2007, 12:38:01 PM
Lets see, you could other things like fonts and Trish had a digit screen name and such but you couldn't remember who you were? Am I getting this right??

Uhh...Arrrgghhh???


Cheney has gotten over 3,300 Americans killed and 100,000 Iraqians with them and no one even asks him what his middle name is!

At that time I had about 12 different names - and have not kept the same books on that shelf - so if you want to go back to your NYT forum archives - you can look for possible suspects such as Galbraith, Schlesinger, Chernow, Dallek, Halberstam, etc.

I don't know the purpose of your inquiry - no one in their right mind gives their names on the internet anymore - if they ever did (and if they did they are now regretting it because all old web pages are archived) -

I recall this Trish-type because of the successive numbers - 12345 - and others would use similar post-letters as suffices etc - and I don't recall WHICH fonts - but DO recall there were a bunch of jerks - incl this 12345 - that used HUGE fonts and fluorescent colors etc - making the forum a total nightmare to read - so why you have decided to start some inquisition on me I don't know -



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 01:14:25 PM
Wait. You've decided Hughes is an ace, but Matsuzaka isn't?



I don't believe I ever said Dice was an ace. Have you seen his last game?? He sucked. "."

And yeah I think Hughes is going to be an Ace. And I think he's going to be better than Dice.

Sue me.


We don't sue.  Just put you on the idiot list.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 02:39:56 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=yankeestorre&prov=st&type=lgns

Way past time for a new MGR


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 06, 2007, 03:18:53 PM
Clemens signs with the Yankees!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Kam on May 06, 2007, 03:27:48 PM
Clemens signs with the Yankees!

Welcome home Rocket!  Does this mean he definitely wears a Yankee cap in the Hall?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 05:56:28 PM
Who gives a flying fu*k?

Let the games begin.  Good luck with that wild card.

Phelps is a pu**y


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2007, 06:22:59 PM
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Does this mean he definitely wears a Yankee cap in the Hall?

it depends, on whether he retires next year as a red sox.

As expected, Ys get their man, at a pro-rata $28MM.

It seems Cash had the greatest need for Rocket and Rocket had the greatest need for cash, and the quicker the better.

It should make for a fun race.

what happens if he blows a hammy in his haste to bailout the big club?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: luee on May 06, 2007, 06:27:17 PM
Getting Desperate, this is the worst Yankee pitching staff in ages. Cashman keeps signing the old and the infirmed for big bucks. The ERA is about 5, last in QSs, last in saves in the majors. Doesn't anyone in that organization know what a good pitcher in his prime looks like?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Kam on May 06, 2007, 06:33:20 PM
Did you notice the plug Roger gave to Joe Torre at the press conference after the game?  Does anyone think trying to save Torre's job was any part of this decision?  Or was it all about the benjamins for Roger?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 06, 2007, 06:34:47 PM
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Cashman keeps signing the old and the infirmed for big bucks.
Did I miss something?  How could the Yankees sign Schilling in mid-season?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 06, 2007, 06:39:48 PM
I guess whisk didn't see today's game.

Put me bummed with the Clemens signing. There may be a silver lining though.

And I'd like to see him in the HoF in a Yankee cap. He's made his choice.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 06, 2007, 06:41:31 PM
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I guess whisk didn't see today's game.
Or, possibly, luee didn't see Rocket pitch last year.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 06:42:03 PM
Clemens likely back for a cake home tilt with Pitsburgh before he throws at David Wright's head midmonth at YS.

Bet he gets just 1 start vs Sox this year.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 06:42:37 PM
24 mil and a jet does seem a bit much


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 06, 2007, 06:45:07 PM
Red Sox fans have to be honest and admit the would have jumped with joy had Epstein plucked him to pitch. I am sure some, like they did when the Yankees signed Arod, must have pulled over to the side of the road. That person knows who he is. Pussy.

I have to think Clemens couldn't stomach the thought of being with Schilling. Any takers on that?

Things get interesting from here on in, but that is what we all want and expect. Fun Fun  Fun.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 06, 2007, 06:48:29 PM
Well, I'm not thrilled by the Yanks' signing of Clemens but it will make the Red Sox winning the division all the more sweeter.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 06, 2007, 06:50:14 PM
The Red Sox offer was reportedly $10m less than the Yanks


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 06, 2007, 06:52:18 PM
I think it's a horse race Liq. Much depends on how the Yankees fare this coming week. They need to take advantage of the schedule while getting healthy. Red Sox, like all teams, will have their slide.Question is when and how much damage. For once the Red Sox have won while the Yankees lost. It just goes to show that even idiots can learn


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 06, 2007, 06:54:51 PM
The Red Sox offer was reportedly $10m less than the Yanks
According to Rocket's agent, Boston didn't want him until July.  So the money might have been close, in terms of the time he'd actually be pitching.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 06, 2007, 06:57:25 PM
"Make no mistake about it: I've come back to do what they only know how to do with the Yankees, and that's win a championship."

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070506&content_id=1949377&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

Dems fightin' words if I ever heard 'em!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 06, 2007, 07:32:10 PM
Given the Rocket signing, anyone wan't to put their two cents in as to what the Yankees and Red Sox are looking for now before the trade deadline?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 07:33:47 PM
Given the Rocket signing, anyone wan't to put their two cents in as to what the Yankees and Red Sox are looking for now before the trade deadline?

Boston is looking for nothing

Yanks might be set as well.  Can't see what they'd think they need, though they are short.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 06, 2007, 07:39:20 PM
You don't think they are looking for a centerfielder, or haven't you been looking?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 08:10:49 PM
He's come on.  Playing at a nice level.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 08:11:55 PM
And where the hell are you gonna find one (unless the D Rays send one giftwrapped to you, a la Josh Hamilton)?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2007, 09:18:21 PM
The Red Sox offer was reportedly $10m less than the Yanks
According to Rocket's agent, Boston didn't want him until July.  So the money might have been close, in terms of the time he'd actually be pitching.

My guess is that Boston would have taken Clemens as soon as the Ys and were probably acting along the timeline that Clemens and his agents outlined. IMO when the latest rash of injuries hit the Ys pitchers, Cash had little choice but to incent Rocket to accelerate the decision-making process.  So with the urging of his former team-mates, Torre and  Cash and given that the Y's were going to outbid anyone for his services (as noted above by about $10MM) this decision was easy for Rocket to make. $18MM from Boston or $28MM for NY. IMO2 the intangibles as well as the tangibles of this deal made this one an easy one to call.

as to Boston's needs, maybe another big-bat, and they're usually available from about mid-June as contenders fall-off.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 06, 2007, 09:47:13 PM
I'd say we could use a little more depth in the outfield defensively but that probably can come out of the farm - either in the form of Ellsbury who was just promoted to AAA or Murphy.  I wouldn't mind another setup man either. Hansen and Delcarmen haven't been too impressive down below so that might have to come out of a trade.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 06, 2007, 10:06:46 PM
While I was being somewhat TIC before when I asked "what happens when Rocket blows out his hammy" I'd be a little concerned   that Clemens who had originally been working towards a late June early July re-entry, that now has been pushed up by team needs to maybe June1, what that accelerated training regiment might do to a 45 year old guy.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 06, 2007, 10:39:05 PM
NY still needs pitching - starting and relief.

Boston needs a rp and a bat for the bench. That's it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 11:01:08 PM
No way Yanks have Rocket pitch in Boston the week of 6/1


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 06, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
I'd say we could use a little more depth in the outfield defensively but that probably can come out of the farm - either in the form of Ellsbury who was just promoted to AAA or Murphy.  I wouldn't mind another setup man either. Hansen and Delcarmen haven't been too impressive down below so that might have to come out of a trade.

Still stuck on Murphy, eh?

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Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 07, 2007, 04:29:51 AM
Who else besides Pujols and Sheffield are 'suffering' this year?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 07, 2007, 06:07:00 AM
Since I'm clearly on record saying that signing Clemens would be a mistake for any team, I can't be accused of sour grapes on this one.

Although it's clear that many Sox fans and at least some of Sox management wanted to make this mistake, personally I'm delighted that it's the Yanks who are making it.

"I'm coming back to do the only thing they know how to do with the Yankees, and that's win a championship," Clemens said. "Anything else is a failure, and I know that."

Heh. I could point out some other things "they know how to do," such as hitch their creaky old wagon to a creaky old pitcher. And Rog, if the bar really is as high as you say it is--welcome to failure, NY style.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 06:34:27 AM
Schilling was asked his reaction to the Rocket's re entry into the Yankees clubhouse. Ever the blowhard, Schilling declared, "We don't need him" -- a comment of stupefying arrogance that is sure to come up a couple of million times between now and the end of the 2007 postseason.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/07/rocket_lands_with_yankees_again/?page=2

I knew I could count on Curt to give a quote to emphasize my point yesterday on one of the unsaid reasons Clemens wouldn't sign with the Red Sox. No one is more about "me" (even Clemens) than Schilling.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 07:03:51 AM
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I could point out some other things "they know how to do," such as hitch their creaky old wagon to a creaky old pitcher.

Rocket's return to the Ys was my least wanted but most expected outcome. While I hope he becomes another hi-priced bust in the Kevin Brown mold, I expect he's got a few useful innings left in him. I just hope he burns them up in Scranton getting ready for the show.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 07:09:19 AM
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"We don't need him" -- a comment of stupefying arrogance that is sure to come up a couple of million times between now and the end of the 2007 postseason.

sweet tata, (that's a mouhtful-how about we shorten it to yammy?) what was he supposed to say?

before the deal: we could always use a great pitcher like Roger.

after he signs with the Ys: we don't need him.

works for me.

but I do agree that in going to NYC he could more easily assume the role of leader/savior, while that would not have been the case in Boston.

btw yammy, which team do you root for?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 07, 2007, 07:28:41 AM
Of course, Schilling is absolutely correct, but don't let that stop you.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 08:03:21 AM
Bankshot - careful what you say. Emily might figure it out and call you on your posting etiquette :>)~~~~~


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 08:18:33 AM
Bankshot - careful what you say.

i'll take that as a: go Phillies


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 07, 2007, 08:33:45 AM
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Oh so now it was a bad team?

So what happens when/if the Bosox "lose" to that "bad team" later this month? Do I get to zing one back at you?

The Yanks swept the Rangers. I'll expect the same out of the Sox later on this month.



My point cap, was not whether Hughes won or lost aganist a good or bad team, or whether he becomes a really good pitcher or even an ace,

BUT that you were just as much a cheerleader for Hughes as kid was for Dice-k.

except maybe you got bigger tits.

I love to play with boobs


Okay RM I'll accept that.

But IMO saying a guy is going to be an Ace isn't nearly as ballsy as saying a guy who never pitched in the Bigs is going to have a sub 2.00 ERA his first year. Only the former singer of AC/DC can sing that song.(And he was nuts too)[No pun intended]


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 07, 2007, 08:44:46 AM
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And FTR when Dice does something "worthy" of being called an Ace I'll call him one.

My point is that Hughes has done nothing worthy of being called an ace, yet you call him one.

Yes I did see Matsuzaka's last game. Did you? He had a rough first inning but he certainly didn't suck. And if you think he hasn't had an "ace" game, then you missed his KC and Toronto starts.


I think that little no-no he had going is definietly "worthy".

And stop with the "did you" stuff. I didn't have to see it he sucked. If it were Hughes in the same situation you Sox fans wouldn't let anyone say what you just said. No fluckin way would you not be saying he sucked.

The guy sucked. That's not to say he's not going to have a near no-no like Hughes did at some point. When he finally pitches like an Ace I'll give the guy some props. Right now he's got the ERA of a #4 pitcher. Deal brother. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 07, 2007, 08:47:28 AM
"But if Dice pitches against them and loses then RM is going to have to eat a bit of crow.(Just a small bite or two)"

cap-

What crow? I expected and posted that i thought Dice-k would get hit and lose this year as he transitioned to the AL. I also posted I thought he had great stuff and if given run support that RJ received last year he would probably be a 17 game winner. If he loses to Texas, so what, good pitchers even great pitcher lose ballgames. i would have thought you knew that.



No way are you getting off the hook on this one RM. If the Diceman loses to Texas get out the knife and fork and dig in.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 07, 2007, 08:49:43 AM
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BUT that you were just as much a cheerleader for Hughes as kid was for Dice-k.

Exactly. Mr. "I got religion and you shouldn't engage in any smack talk" has a quiver in his pants for Hughes and does the same thing he accuses other fanboys of doing.

Not a problem. Just a bit amusing.

Lets see first it's RM with the boobs and now PK with the insults.

That the best you guys got?? Son, you're gonna have to do better than that. If that's all you guys got then you've already lost.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 07, 2007, 08:55:56 AM
Napolean

fwiw (very little) I too wondered who you may have been at the NYT forum, as you seemed to have a degree of familairity with the group dynamic.

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I doubt you'd not recall the pen name you used.

You know who you are. How about letting the rest of us in on it.


this from a guy (Doctor Doom/Nomad and others) who when asked if he was "cap" at the NYT forum said  "no".

heh.

Whoopie ding. So it was like everyone "knew" it was me. I didn't try and disguise anything. I could have said I was the king of Siam and everyone would still have know it was me.

Are you just going to insist on being an asshole RM no matter what?? If you guys want this to be an all Red Sox forum just give the word and I'll split.

Well, you'd still have YG as I can't speak for him.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 08:57:39 AM
No way Yanks have Rocket pitch in Boston the week of 6/1

I hope he does since I have tickets for the second game of that series


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: DoctorDoom on May 07, 2007, 08:57:46 AM
Wait. You've decided Hughes is an ace, but Matsuzaka isn't?



I don't believe I ever said Dice was an ace. Have you seen his last game?? He sucked. "."

And yeah I think Hughes is going to be an Ace. And I think he's going to be better than Dice.

Sue me.


We don't sue.  Just put you on the idiot list.

PK and RM are a different story. You on the other hand can go fuck yourself asswipe.

Great site Liq. But it looks like you'll have to ban me. See ya.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 09:00:22 AM
C'mon guys can we just rip each other's teams and leave the personal assaults aside for a little while.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 09:05:50 AM
C'mon guys can we just rip each other's teams and leave the personal assaults aside for a little while.

It looks as if it is time for you to change your picture from Tim Russert to John McLaughlin. Things are getting testy around here. That Rocket fuel is incendiary.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 09:15:18 AM
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Are you just going to insist on being an asshole RM no matter what??

heh

poor cap, he gets caught in another big lie. And its my fault.

hey cap the adult thing to have done was simply to admit "hi I'm cap" but nope, its easier to adopt another screen-name take pot shot and name-call like a child.

just cappy being cappy.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 07, 2007, 09:31:05 AM
Roger Clemens is as good as any post-World War II pitcher.  Nobody, me included, should ever question his greatness, and the "can't win the big one" criticism frequently leveled at him was a bunch of garbage.

That said, if the Yankees chances this season hinge on a 45-year old 5/6 inning pitcher (even an effective one) who frequently gets the nagging type of leg injuries that I know an individual of advancing age gets, then I don' t think the Yankees have much of a chance at all.  They need consistent quality in their entire starting rotation, not just the quality that one addition might give them.  Hopefully Wang, Pettitte and Mussina can be consistent as well. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 09:37:18 AM
Rocket as a #4 (but a spiritual #1/ace) pitching 5-6 solid innings per outing can't hurt, and should lead to a lot of incremental wins they probably wouldn't get with Iggy or someone else in the 4-spot. But the Ys chances hinge on the 1-3 guys pitching like they should.

No question the race tightened.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 09:45:52 AM
Rocket certainly helps the Yanks pitching greatly.  But they are still going to have to shore up that bullpen.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 07, 2007, 09:48:10 AM
Nice salary for a temp.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 09:48:37 AM
The first thing the Yankees should do is encourage Pavano to get surgery so he's off the map and the roster spot can be filled. I suspect that may happen as soon as today from what I read.

I trust there is an insurance policy on him???


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 07, 2007, 10:10:17 AM
I wanted Roger to finish his career in Boston. It would have been a fitting end for a great pitcher.

Will he help the Yanks? Surely. Will it be enough? I guess we'll see.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 07, 2007, 10:12:09 AM
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I wanted Roger to finish his career in Boston.
Cheer up!  Picture him walking off the mound in Fenway, after getting knocked out in the fourth inning of Game 6 of the ALCS....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 10:15:49 AM
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I wanted Roger to finish his career in Boston.
Cheer up!  Picture him walking off the mound in Fenway, after getting knocked out in the fourth inning of Game 6 of the ALCS....



http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_RC_8.31.03_bgjd.jpg


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 07, 2007, 10:17:48 AM
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Cheer up!  Picture him walking off the mound in Fenway, after getting knocked out in the fourth inning of Game 6 of the ALCS....

Clemens is going to get traded to cleveland?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 10:38:18 AM
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Picture him walking off the mound in Fenway, after getting knocked out in the fourth inning of Game 6 of the ALCS....

IIRC, the last time the sox and Roger met, they knocked him out in the 4th inning, it didn't end well though


Title: Yanked around
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 10:41:32 AM
But getting to the World Series again and winning it, if you've paid attention, has been Clemens' oft-stated No. 1 out-pitch of a goal for a long, long time. That makes his decision Sunday afternoon to return to the Yankees for the pro-rated portion of $28 million bucks -- a Bronx bombshell of an announcement made at Yankee Stadium during the seventh inning stretch -- stranger than strange. Face it: If you're going to pick a team to win the World Series right now, the Yankees aren't going to be it. Clemens or no Clemens.

I mean, the Yankees? If Clemens wanted to win another World Series, wouldn't the Red Sox have been the smarter choice? The Sox have a better bullpen. They have a better rotation. They're younger and healthier and they're better looking and they're probably smarter and they have -- not an insignificant point, this one -- a 5 ½-game head start.

Really, the Yankees? Heck, a week ago, the Yankees were ready to fire their manager. A week ago, this team was being buried alive. Just last Friday, in fact, they blew a 5-0 lead, gave up eight runs in one inning and lost 15-11. To the Mariners. Nobody should lose like that. Not to the Mariners.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_donovan/05/07/clemens.yankees/?cnn=yes


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 07, 2007, 10:51:09 AM
There's nothing in that ariticle/opinion that anbody could dispute too seriously.  On the other hand, his statement, "if you're going to pick a team to win the World Series right now," sort of negates the point of the rest of the column, which seems to be that the Yankees have no chance.  "Right now" is early May.  Things can change very, very quickly and while I don't think Clemens will make the difference, it is still "right now."

If this was the Bush Administration thread, NGC would accuse me of "parsing" (and then he'd call me a liberal.).


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 07, 2007, 10:52:45 AM
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Cheer up!  Picture him walking off the mound in Fenway, after getting knocked out in the fourth inning of Game 6 of the ALCS....

Clemens is going to get traded to cleveland?
Nah - we have to keep putting starters on the DL because we have too many of them!

Touches wood.  When I make a joke like that, I fully expect three starters to have TJS by the end of May.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 07, 2007, 10:55:24 AM
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But getting to the World Series again and winning it, if you've paid attention, has been Clemens' oft-stated No. 1 out-pitch of a goal....
To be fair to Rocket, I believe the full goal has been "winning the World Series while getting paid 18 mil for half a year."


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 07, 2007, 10:57:54 AM
Any way, the one important piece of news that does not directly concern but certainly reflects upon the AL East is the strange injury to Joel Zumaya, who dislocated a finger while warming up and may be out two months.  Zumaya is a great, great, set up guy who is vital to the Tigers' chances of making the playoffs.  An injury like that could make the road to the WC a little easier.  And, of course, once you are in the playoffs....

Also, I see Mauer was DL'd, but didn't see anything about it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 11:09:22 AM

Also, I see Mauer was DL'd, but didn't see anything about it.

strained left quadriceps muscle


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 11:15:34 AM
There's nothing in that ariticle/opinion that anbody could dispute too seriously.  On the other hand, his statement, "if you're going to pick a team to win the World Series right now," sort of negates the point of the rest of the column, which seems to be that the Yankees have no chance.  "Right now" is early May.  Things can change very, very quickly and while I don't think Clemens will make the difference, it is still "right now."

If this was the Bush Administration thread, NGC would accuse me of "parsing" (and then he'd call me a liberal.).

I think Clemens is a great addition and with that offense the Yanks will win a lot of games.  The Red Sox are guaranteed to go into their own slumps as the season progresses - so I fully expect ground to be made. The Yanks' achilles could be their bullpen if they don't shore it up.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 07, 2007, 11:16:33 AM
I see Zumaya's injury is officially a strain, not a dislocation.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 11:21:47 AM


I think Clemens is a great addition and with that offense the Yanks will win a lot of games.  The Red Sox are guaranteed to go into their own slumps as the season progresses - so I fully expect ground to be made. The Yanks' achilles could be their bullpen if they don't shore it up.
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Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 11:22:31 AM
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I think Clemens is a great addition and with that offense the Yanks will win a lot of games.  


yup, RJ won 17 last year with a 5 era

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The Red Sox are guaranteed to go into their own slumps as the season progresses - so I fully expect ground to be made.


as expected, we've already seen them lose low-scoring games, they're not your father's red sox, BUT IF (the qualifiers) the SP stays as good (and as healthy) as it been so far, long losing streaks should be avoided.  



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 11:28:38 AM
Yanks 21-13 when Randy pitched last season

At 18 mil for 20 starts, I'd think they would want beter than 12-8 out of Rocket.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 11:30:19 AM
But of course its the playoffs that count.  The playoffs - where Randy continued to get hit and the Yankee bats DIED, since they were not facing the AL, but the AL's BEST.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 11:50:00 AM
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At 18 mil for 20 starts, I'd think they would want beter than 12-8 out of Rocket.

.600 ball out of your #4 guy is a pretty good winning %

boz-I know you still hold considerable clout over in Elba, and seeing that I hold valid Elbian papers, (at least as of today), according to Elbian rules, all Elbians without sponsored players have first crack at the sacred Yankee roster.

And I just put in my claim for the new guy, so as a personal favor maybe if you could fast-track my paperwork,

heh


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 11:53:10 AM
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At 18 mil for 20 starts, I'd think they would want beter than 12-8 out of Rocket.

.600 ball out of your #4 guy is a pretty good winning %

boz-I know you still hold considerable clout over in Elba, and seeing that I hold valid Elbian papers, (at least as of today), according to Elbian rules, all Elbians without sponsored players have first crack at the sacred Yankee roster.

And I just put in my claim for the new guy, so as a personal favor maybe if you could fast-track my paperwork,

heh

Roger's the #1 starter - who you kiddin?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 07, 2007, 11:54:12 AM
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At 18 mil for 20 starts, I'd think they would want beter than 12-8 out of Rocket.

.600 ball out of your #4 guy is a pretty good winning %

boz-I know you still hold considerable clout over in Elba, and seeing that I hold valid Elbian papers, (at least as of today), according to Elbian rules, all Elbians without sponsored players have first crack at the sacred Yankee roster.

And I just put in my claim for the new guy, so as a personal favor maybe if you could fast-track my paperwork,

heh
You do understand that by sponsoring a player, you are bound to root for that player's success, right?  There's a reason I haven't had a player on the roster since Jaret Wright, and before that Enrique Wilson.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 11:56:27 AM
kid whether you call him a 1 or 4 is mostly irelevant, what he is is an upgrade from: Iggy, Hughes, Karsten Rastner or the meat they're throwing out to pitch tonite.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 11:57:11 AM
Sox 5-2 (.714) with Curt, 4-2 with DAISU-CY (.667), 6-0 with Beckett (1.000), so yeah - .600 ball scares us plenty.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 11:58:04 AM
kid whether you call him a 1 or 4 is mostly irelevant, what he is is an upgrade from: Iggy, Hughes, Karsten Rastner or the meat they're throwing out to pitch tonite.



When was this disputed?

Get your mind around what you are responding to, pal.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 12:06:59 PM
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Get your mind around what you are responding to, pal.

kid-the Ys had a blackhole in the back-end of their rotation. Now they have less of one.

While I don't have the #s in hand, my guess is, is that most teams don't win .600 of the games started by their #4.

Now I don't know if Clemens will either, (or Wang, Andy or Moose-if you feel more comfortable with giving them the #4 slot)-but its a sure thing that anyone of those guys has a better chance of winning than does (did) Iggy etal.

wrap your mind around that

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 07, 2007, 12:25:26 PM
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you are bound to root for that player's success, right?


root, I'll do more than that. I'm going to get Roger his very own performance enhancement coach: Marty Miller


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 12:57:22 PM
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Get your mind around what you are responding to, pal.

kid-the Ys had a blackhole in the back-end of their rotation. Now they have less of one.

While I don't have the #s in hand, my guess is, is that most teams don't win .600 of the games started by their #4.

Now I don't know if Clemens will either, (or Wang, Andy or Moose-if you feel more comfortable with giving them the #4 slot)-but its a sure thing that anyone of those guys has a better chance of winning than does (did) Iggy etal.

wrap your mind around that

 

"Wrap your mind around that"

Already have.
That's the point.
OY.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 01:10:51 PM
"If (Rocket) cared so much about the Yankees winning he would have been here in spring training"

- Francessa, as he rips Roger and the Yanks a new one for yesterday's disgrace.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 07, 2007, 01:23:31 PM
As some might recall, at the very end of last season the Los Angeles Times reported that Jason Grimsley gave an affidavit to federal investigators in which he said that his source for performance enhancing drugs was Clemens's (and Andy Pettitte's) trainer. Clemens and Pettitte responded with odd nondenial denials. Clemens, for instance, turned back questions about human growth hormone by noting that he'd never failed a drug test. There is no test for hGH.
Senator Mitchell's inquiry into drug use in baseball is going to make its report later this year. The feds have flipped a former Mets clubhouse boy turned drug peddler, who apparently named 85 names currently playing in the majors as clients. Barry Bonds is going to break Hank Aaron's career home runs record sooner than anyone thought. Drugs are going to be a bigger story this summer than they ever have been before.
With all that, it's an open question whether the biggest story around Clemens is going to be his dramatic return to baseball's biggest stage at the time of the Yankees' greatest peril, or whether it's going to be the rumors and accusations that have bubbled up in various investigations. I say this not in the spirit of accusation, but of caution. There will be operatic drama to spare regarding the prodigal legend in the next few months. I'm far from certain that all, or even most, of it is going to focus on what he does on the mound.


http://www.nysun.com/article/53958?page_no=2 (http://www.nysun.com/article/53958?page_no=2)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 01:24:49 PM
"(Yankees) are NO LONGER A TEAM"

Priceless

Waldman's slobberfest being ridiculed to no end as well.

Have to wonder how this segment of MMD will go over with the network.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 01:26:46 PM
So by coming in midseason, does Clemens miss getting tested for performance enhancing drugs?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 07, 2007, 01:27:16 PM
Kid hates and belittles (but never ignores) Francesa and everything the large one  has to say.

Except when he's in agreement with him.  Then the large one's words are posted here as pearls of wisdom.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 01:31:30 PM
"The Yankees brought CLEMENS a ring - not the other way around"

"Welcome home?  How is this his home?"


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 07, 2007, 01:34:32 PM
Players are subjected to drug-testing during the season as well as during the pre-season.  Presumably Clemens can't get out of testing merely by signing a late contract.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 01:39:37 PM
"The Yankees brought CLEMENS a ring - not the other way around"

"Welcome home?  How is this his home?"

Hat's off to Liquid. He has brought a streaming WFAN to this forum. Wonders never cease.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 01:42:57 PM
Good point by Mike -

price on A-Rod just went up

I'll go that one better - chances of Alex wanting out (just for a different feel) increase greatly now that the circus is in town.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 01:47:25 PM
Cashman up

I think he might be dealing a bit of BS to the fans, as he has just stated that THREE teams in 2006 were "willing to do the family plan" with Clemens.

I had not heard that Boston had offered to let him fly in only on game days


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 07, 2007, 01:58:46 PM
Last year Boston was willing to let him pitch every sunday and do what he wanted the rest of the week.

This is the signing that turns the Yankee season around.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 02:03:24 PM
21 mil, then 19, then 15 were the other offers for Rocket (prorated), according to Brian


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 07, 2007, 03:42:28 PM
Wonder who is higher on the 'Wish they brrak a leg totem pole' - Clemens or Bonds?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: lbrooks2 on May 07, 2007, 03:45:21 PM
Gotta love the signing:-)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: law120b on May 07, 2007, 04:29:47 PM
as a mets fan, i love it.  leaves only one team in NY worth caring about.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 04:58:59 PM
Careful

Rocket scheduled to throw at Wright's head 6/15


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 07, 2007, 05:01:03 PM
Wait, wait, wait.  Does Francesa agree with that analysis?

Moke.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 05:03:52 PM
Don't know, Mike's too busy laughing at the know-nothing hack Waldman


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 07, 2007, 05:06:42 PM
I love how it's "Mike" today.  Good stuff.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 05:08:28 PM

Yep

Good radio today


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 05:18:55 PM
Igawa to Scranton, where he can surely have his run of the town's bok choi and fresh fish


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 06:35:02 PM
Igawa to Scranton, where he can surely have his run of the town's bok choi and fresh fish

I know Scranton well. How have you come to know the niceties of bok choi and fresh fish?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 07, 2007, 06:36:05 PM
Sorrry.  It's Tampa.  I guess he'll be pitching simulated games for a while.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 07, 2007, 06:40:26 PM
Sorrry.  It's Tampa.  I guess he'll be pitching simulated games for a while.

Sorry. Can't help you out there.


Title: Wells doesn't agree with Clemens not traveling
Post by: liquidsilver on May 07, 2007, 10:59:14 PM
According to his contract, Clemens will not be forced to travel with the team when he isn't scheduled to pitch. He had the same deal with the Houston Astros. Padres veteran David Wells doesn't agree with that.

"I don't think I would ever do it because of the fact I personally think it would disrespect the team and your teammates," Wells said, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "You look at the other players. How are they going to respect you? What are they going to think if you're not there pulling for the team?"

Wells also played for the Yankees in his career and was part of the trade with the Toronto Blue Jays that brought Clemens to the Bronx. The pair were then Yankee teammates in 2002. Although Joe Torre said he cleared Clemens' arrangement with his veterans, Wells told the Sun-Sentinel, "That's not the Yankee way. The Yankees have changed."


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2863411


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 07, 2007, 11:28:55 PM
SUPER MARIANO!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 08, 2007, 12:18:46 AM
Still wondering about the 'break a leg' derby:


“If you think it’s about money, you’re greatly mistaken,” Clemens told reporters at the golf tournament. “I’m not going to put my body through the paces I put my body through to earn a few more dollars.”


What a phony - hypocrit - BS artist - liar - etc etc


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 07:36:11 AM
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What a phony - hypocrit - BS artist - liar - etc etc

that may all be true, but everything was lined up for him to return to the Ys.

at this point just more fuel to the fire.

tough loss for the Ys last nite (how did the ump miss that call?) maybe foreshadowing for Rocket: pitch great-watch pen lose it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 08, 2007, 07:57:11 AM
Meanwhile that kid DeSalvo was pretty impressive. One run in 7 innings. He was cruising, which then always gets my blood flowing when the manager removes the pitcher because.....its time to go to the pen. Seems unless you're pitching a no hitter, you have to be pulled. Ridiculous thinking especially given the state of the Yankees pen. Keep the guy in until he puts someone on base in a position to score.

Let's see if DeSalvo can link two good starts.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 08, 2007, 09:16:21 AM
It looks to me that Rivera's pitches don't move at all anymore and are straight as a string.  Injuries or age?  Or maybe they're using new baseballs this season.  Whatever the cause, it bodes worse than any other problems they might have.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 09:22:22 AM
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It looks to me that Rivera's pitches don't move at all anymore and are straight as a string.

I noticed the same thing-there's been almost no cut to the cutter. The excuse of no work/rustiness might be legit, but does he need game conditions to stay as razor sharp as he has almost always been for the past 10 years?

maybe the guy is "mortal" and is either hurt of feeling the age.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 09:24:56 AM
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(how did the ump miss that call?)
Dude was outer than Neil Patrick Harris.

Anyway, anyone besides me hear a rumor about the Yankees picking up Jason Davis?  He was DFA'd by the Tribe yesterday, but might be an interesting addition.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 09:27:18 AM
Looks like Cashman made the right call not reupping Rivera prior to the season's start. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 09:28:40 AM
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anyone besides me hear a rumor about the Yankees picking up Jason Davis?


I heard he wants the same deal that Roger got. Cashman's on board but first he has to ok it with Steiny or Howard Rubinstein.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 08, 2007, 09:39:35 AM
Cano and Abreu look absolutely lost at the plate. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 09:44:41 AM
Cano is too aggressive at the plate, AL pitchers have learned that he will chase pitches especially in deep counts. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 08, 2007, 09:46:24 AM
Agreed.  He swings at everything and frequently looks like Soriano without the power and speed.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 09:47:25 AM
Gee, sure sounds like SOMEONE is laying the groundwork for a defense in case that Mets trainer raises his name in the investigation:

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BOSTON (TICKER) -- It appears Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz is not sure if he has taken steroids.

Ortiz told the Boston Herald that he could not say definitively if he had ever used performance-enhancing drugs in the past. The burly designated hitter also said that if he did, it happened when he was much younger.

"I tell you, I don't know too much about steroids, but I started listening about steroids when they started to bring that (expletive) up," Ortiz told the paper. "I started realizing and getting to know a little bit about it. You've got to be careful.
 
"I used to buy a protein shake in my country. I don't do that anymore because they don't have the approval for that here, so I know that, so I'm off buying things at the GNC back in the Dominican (Republic). But it can happen anytime, it can happen. I don't know. I don't know if I drank something in my youth, not knowing it."

However, Ortiz, who hit a club-record 54 home runs last season, made light of the situation, joking that he should try steroids just to see what all the fuss is about.

"I should use steroids just to see what's going on," Ortiz joked to the Herald. "Nah. I have a good family. I want to see my kids learn and develop. I think I'm having an OK career. So, I take a lot of Advils, but I think I'm going to stop taking them. They say it (expletive) your liver."

Ortiz spent six non-descript seasons in Minnesota before signing with the Red Sox before the 2003 season. He has quickly become a Boston icon and one of the most popular players in baseball.

In 2004, Ortiz anchored a Red Sox squad which won the franchise's first World Series in 86 years - highlighted by a shocking comeback against the rival New York Yankees in the American League Championship Series.

The Red Sox became the first team in baseball history to come back from a three-games-to-none deficit to win a playoff series.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 09:50:39 AM
Funny, I was just going to say he reminds me of Soriano without the pop


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 08, 2007, 09:55:49 AM
He's a better glove at second though, doesn't strike out nearly as much, and being a lefty, I figure he'll be able to scratch out 20 or so HRs (when he matures) which is fine with me.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 09:59:36 AM
Soriano still a sucker for the low-outside pitch?

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Mets trainer raises his name in the investigation:

did the Mets trainer have the local GNC-protein shake franchise?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 10:02:57 AM
I don't disagree, especially if the Yankees continue to maintain such a deep lineup - he should still see a lot of good pitches.  Right now he just looks lost at the plate


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 10:03:07 AM
I hear he used to call up the Mets guy for his "protien shakes."


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 10:08:28 AM
well just as long as Ortiz swears off the hi-test protein shakes and stays away from Giambi's needles, he should be just fine.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 10:21:33 AM
Oh, YEAH!!!!!!!!!!

The Great Mah-ti-ahno strikes again.

Beeeeeee-oooo-tiful.

14 and what?

Lagrecca (I think it was) of ESPN said it best:  Later this summer, Roger might be regretting his choice.  A few more million is nice, but so is the spotlight of another ALCS.

Meanwhile, has anyone seen confirmation that the Sox were willing to go "family plan" with Rocket?  Just curious.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 11:37:34 AM
From the quotes out of both Boston and Houston, it sounds like Hendricks didn't talk with either very much. Just got an initial offer from both, used them to get a few more million out of NY and didn't get back to either.

Well, Rog is just another 45 year old pitcher to me now. I hope, like Boggs, his number stays off the rf promenade in Fenway.


Title: Yankees demote Igawa
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 11:41:04 AM
The New York Yankees shipped struggling pitcher Kei Igawa to the minors on Monday to make room on the roster for right-hander Matt DeSalvo.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spmlbnotes08may08,0,3942649.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 11:48:47 AM
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it sounds like Hendricks didn't talk with either very much. Just got an initial offer from both, used them to get a few more million out of NY and didn't get back to either.

pk-I think you nailed it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 08, 2007, 11:50:53 AM
Don't you guys pay attention?

“If you think it’s about money, you’re greatly mistaken,” Clemens told reporters at the golf tournament. “I’m not going to put my body through the paces I put my body through to earn a few more dollars.”


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 08, 2007, 11:53:16 AM
Man, if Will McDonough were alive and writing, he'd be having a major field day with Clemens.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 12:03:16 PM
While closing the circle- pasing CY, winning a WS, and retiring as a Sox would have been the better Hollywood ending-it just wasn't in the cards. Given that the sox offered him less than the Astro's did last year, I can't blame Clemens for taking the Y dough. I just gotta hope he chokes on it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 12:08:39 PM
In any case, I hope the Red Sox can kick the Blue Jays while they are down since Toronto has had our number lately


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 08, 2007, 12:09:00 PM
I'd love to believe that the Sox agreed with me, didn't really want Clemens, and just played along to make sure they Yanks paid high for him. But although I don't think that's impossible, I can't simply will myself to believe what I want to believe.

Whether they really wanted him or not, I have to think they knew all along that the odds against geting him were steep.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 08, 2007, 12:10:17 PM
In any case, I hope the Red Sox can kick the Blue Jays while they are down since Toronto has had our number lately

It looks like we get our third dose of R. Halladay Thursday. Enough already.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 12:17:32 PM
According to ESPN

Tues-Beckett vs Zambrano

Wed-Matsuzaka vs McGowan

Thurs-Wakefield vs Ohka

with Halladay going Friday against the D-Rays



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 12:18:40 PM
McGowan? 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 12:20:01 PM
Well, the Rangers bats in the form of Young and Teixera look to be heating up after their sweep of the Jays, hopefully they will have better success against the 'stripes this time out


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 08, 2007, 12:20:42 PM
According to ESPN

Tues-Beckett vs Zambrano

Wed-Matsuzaka vs McGowan

Thurs-Wakefield vs Ohka

with Halladay going Friday against the D-Rays



Could be true. For Halladay to pitch Thursday, the Jays would have to skip someone in the rotation (but it would be Halladay's 5th day). MLB.com lists Halladay for Thursday.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 12:24:48 PM
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McGowan?

it seems he had one 5 inning start (5 ER) against the Tribe, got a ND, with BJs losing 6-5


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 12:25:17 PM
Yahoo has:

Beckett v Zambrano
Dice-K v Ohka
Wake v Halladay


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 08, 2007, 12:27:31 PM
Whoever pitches for Toronto on Thursday, if Wakefield can keep his current bubble from bursting, I don't mind the Sox' chances. He has been damn good.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 12:28:10 PM
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McGowan?

it seems he had one 5 inning start (5 ER) against the Tribe, got a ND, with BJs losing 6-5
If I recall right, he was wild and gacked up a four run lead.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 12:30:16 PM
He's been outstanding.  After watching his knuckler dance in the Metrodome, I'm tempted to pray for rain to see if we get the same performance at Rogers


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 12:32:27 PM
Wakes has been great,

and fwiw so has Tavarez-who seems to be facing the other guy's #1 on a consistent basis, and doing a good job


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 12:46:41 PM
I'd love to believe that the Sox agreed with me, didn't really want Clemens, and just played along to make sure they Yanks paid high for him. But although I don't think that's impossible, I can't simply will myself to believe what I want to believe.

Whether they really wanted him or not, I have to think they knew all along that the odds against geting him were steep.

Of course we wanted Clemens.  Met with him, didn't we?  Made an offer, if you believe some


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 12:49:35 PM
But.....................

on our terms

Could very well be Boston went in just doing due diligence, with a thought that they had just a slim chance given what they were about to offer, as opposed to Matsuzaka, where they were quite confident

Question to be asked then is how much Theo would be killed if Daisuke remains above 5 ERA and fizzles in Sept/Oct while Rocket sizzles


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 12:57:00 PM
kid-the Dice-k and Clemens signings are totally unrelated to each other, and should be viewed as independent of each other.

Dice-k a longterm (6 year bet) that a pitcher with great stuff/poise can dominate here, as he did in Japan. If he has some difficulties in the first year it should not be unexpected.

Clemens-a stop-gap measure, (over 4-5 months) that if it doesn't result in a WS will likely be viewed as a $25MM failure.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 12:58:59 PM
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If he has some difficulties in the first year it should not be unexpected.
Watch yourself!  Every time I tried to make that point this off season I got reamed out by pk and kid!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 01:08:22 PM
boz-I made that point just after Dice-k signed, about him having to climb a learning curve, and not only a baseball one but a cultural one as well  (in a discussion with your fellow Cleveland based lawyer-1L-but I don't think he understood the learning curve-I guess he never climbed one). 

btw, the trick to avoiding  getting reemed by pk or kid or anyone is from time to time say something complimentary.

Like: How about that Trot Nixon!!!

and what, no love for that prayer to be named later line?

Jeeze!



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 01:12:56 PM
I said I liked the Sox pitching for the 2007 season. You said I had no reason to make that statement. If there was any reaming, it was in response to that.

Well, now we're in May. Can I like the Sox pitching yet? Moreover, we still got talents like Lester, Del Carmen and Hansen still in AAA.

And yeah, i think Matsuzaka is going to be damned good over the next bunch of years.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 01:14:12 PM
Its too bad Delcarmen and Hansen are stinking it up down there


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 01:16:42 PM
the new sox wunderkid pitcher is Bucholz now in AA


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 01:20:12 PM
kid-the Dice-k and Clemens signings are totally unrelated to each other, and should be viewed as independent of each other.

Dice-k a longterm (6 year bet) that a pitcher with great stuff/poise can dominate here, as he did in Japan. If he has some difficulties in the first year it should not be unexpected.

Clemens-a stop-gap measure, (over 4-5 months) that if it doesn't result in a WS will likely be viewed as a $25MM failure.

Pretty much poppycock, 6 year deal or not

"If we blow everyone out of the watert ang get Daisuke, we can act on principle with Rocket", was likely their thinking.

And proper, I might add - but it's a results business.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 01:20:55 PM
the new sox wunderkid pitcher is Bucholz now in AA

Supposedly

But don't overlook Hansack, despite the age


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 01:21:50 PM
Yeah Buchholz has been really impressive, but hasn't been getting much run support


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 01:24:02 PM
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And proper, I might add - but it's a results business.

And with a long term contract signed to a guy that's never pitched in the majors before, I think gauging the results takes more than a season let alone a month.

Heck, look at the season Beckett is having after an abysmal transition last year from the NL to the AL


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 01:24:46 PM
Mike Bowden the other

At hi A - 20 years old


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 01:26:03 PM
Clay Buchholz, SP, Red Sox. As if they didn't have enough already, Buchholz is yet another reason the Sox didn't need to battle the Yankees for Roger Clemens. Buchholz is baffling Double-A batters right now, with a 1.98 ERA and a mind-blowing 35:3 K/BB ratio in his first five starts. Sure, the Sox would like to be cautious with him, but it won't do much good to leave him in Double-A much longer.

Buchholz still needs to work on his stamina - only one of his starts has gone past six innings - and cutting down on the strikeouts and pitching to contact might be the best approach. But once he gets that down, he'll be on the move. He'll be in Boston by the end of this year, and he'll have a good shot at the rotation next year.


http://fantasy.sportingnews.com/baseball/experts/mark-haverty/20070507.html


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 01:27:49 PM
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I said I liked the Sox pitching for the 2007 season. You said I had no reason to make that statement. If there was any reaming, it was in response to that.
No, you claimed that Boston had the best rotation in baseball.  What I said is that there were some questions regarding each of your pitchers - age, inconsistency, lack of big league experience, and a starter who had worked as a reliever the year before and never thrown 150 innings in a year - that made such a statement at the very least untimely.

liq -

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Heck, look at the season Beckett is having after an abysmal transition last year from the NL to the AL.
I may be wrong about this, but wasn't Beckett good for the first month or so last year too? 

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 01:28:16 PM
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And proper, I might add - but it's a results business.

And with a long term contract signed to a guy that's never pitched in the majors before, I think gauging the results takes more than a season let alone a month.

Heck, look at the season Beckett is having after an abysmal transition last year from the NL to the AL

Sorry, bro - results THIS YEAR are ultra-important.  If Daisuke were to not fire - and we missed the playoffs again..........

I don't see it happening.  Still have great belief Matsuzaka will run off a terrific string real soon.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 01:30:23 PM
My bad.  Beckett started 7-1, but after three great starts to start the season he got pretty much bitch slapped for the next few starts.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 01:30:32 PM
Quote
I said I liked the Sox pitching for the 2007 season. You said I had no reason to make that statement. If there was any reaming, it was in response to that.
No, you claimed that Boston had the best rotation in baseball.  What I said is that there were some questions regarding each of your pitchers - age, inconsistency, lack of big league experience, and a starter who had worked as a reliever the year before and never thrown 150 innings in a year - that made such a statement at the very least untimely.

liq -

Quote
Heck, look at the season Beckett is having after an abysmal transition last year from the NL to the AL.
I may be wrong about this, but wasn't Beckett good for the first month or so last year too? 

 

Look it up:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/6403/gamelog;_ylt=AhXQ8qetoJiDE.k4ZTj4TkmFCLcF?year=2006

7-1, 3.80 through5/25


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 01:31:41 PM
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I may be wrong about this, but wasn't Beckett good for the first month or so last year too? 

Not this good.  Beckett was pretty up and down last April, sporting a 4.50 ERA and giving up 6 bombs.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 01:32:11 PM
Clay Buchholz, SP, Red Sox. As if they didn't have enough already, Buchholz is yet another reason the Sox didn't need to battle the Yankees for Roger Clemens. Buchholz is baffling Double-A batters right now, with a 1.98 ERA and a mind-blowing 35:3 K/BB ratio in his first five starts. Sure, the Sox would like to be cautious with him, but it won't do much good to leave him in Double-A much longer.

Buchholz still needs to work on his stamina - only one of his starts has gone past six innings - and cutting down on the strikeouts and pitching to contact might be the best approach. But once he gets that down, he'll be on the move. He'll be in Boston by the end of this year, and he'll have a good shot at the rotation next year.


http://fantasy.sportingnews.com/baseball/experts/mark-haverty/20070507.html

Stamina?

Hasn't this moke heard of pitch counts?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 01:47:11 PM
You got me mixed up with someone else. I never said the Sox have the best rotation in baseball. I don't think they do now, even. (Although I can't think of a better 1-3 and Wakes has the second best era in the AL).

I said I liked the Sox pitching staff. It took them a transition year to get younger and better. I suspect i'm going to love the staff next year too.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 01:48:51 PM
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I may be wrong about this, but wasn't Beckett good for the first month or so last year too? 

Not this good.  Beckett was pretty up and down last April, sporting a 4.50 ERA and giving up 6 bombs.
Yeah, I corrected that.  IIRC, pk saw a whole bunch of those bombs in person.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 01:52:29 PM
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IIRC, pk saw a whole bunch of those bombs in person.

Beckett looked unhittable until Toronto figured him out. Then he went to cleveland and met Ben Broussard. I think i am still trying to get some feeling in my frozen feet after that entire experience.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 01:58:01 PM
Seven posts before I become an exalted sr. member. Let's see if we can get there today. Somebody want to argue about Abreu? Bonds? Cora v. Pedroia?

Edit: Full member before sr. member? So i guess a sr.house beats a full house? Makes no sense


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 02:01:39 PM
I got the pleasure of seeing some of those bombs as well as he coughed up quite a lead against the Jays in my first trip to the Rogers Centre


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:03:25 PM
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Pretty much poppycock, 6 year deal or not

that line of reasoning is BS.

Whether Dice-k has a successful career with the sox for 6 years or 10 years is not dependent upon wheteher he's lights out in his month or two. For all intents and purposes he's a rookie. A rookie who has to transition not only to a tougher league but too a foreign culture a well. I excpect he will make a successful transition, but i'm not going to judge that transition in the first 6 weeks. I will take notes though.  

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"If we blow everyone out of the watert ang get Daisuke, we can act on principle with Rocket", was likely their thinking.

They and the Y's knew that Rocket was going to be a May/June decision. There would be time to assess the needs before a full pursuit was needed. Before that there was a courtship and flowers. After assessing their need and desires the sox offered a  very nice 3 carat ring. The Y offered a 12 carat dazzler. Rocket went with size. However theres flaws in that Y-ring.

the sox wanted Clemens, but the Ys needed him more, MUCH MORE!

I wish he had stayed with Houston or retired.

Quote
And proper, I might add - but it's a results business.

I agree it is a result business, and if the Ys cop the crown with Roger so be it.

but Rocket's a 2007 band-aid, Dice-K is more a long-term solution.

IMO the 2 should be viewed independently.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 02:07:04 PM
You're becoming absolutely unreadable, since you go off point in supposed response to my posts

Take care


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:10:06 PM
late to this party

Beckett is becoming the pitcher that I (and IIRC liq) were hoping for last year. The guy's stuff was great except he was so f'ing reliant on his Fastball that #8 in NL line-ups could sit on the thing and go yard on the guy.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:14:56 PM
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You're becoming absolutely unreadable,

point 1 Dice-k is a 6 year solution, not to be judged entirely on what he does in his first year. I expect him to be a significant contributor this year as he learns the league, But he is still a rookie. And should be judged like one.

point 2-Clemens was acquired for the Y's as a 4-5 month solution for this year's problems. If they do not get to the WS (or win it) then the $26MM solution can be viewed as a failure.

that's about as simple as i can make it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 02:20:59 PM
In any case, there is a rumor that the Rockies are interested in Tavarez should he become available when Lester returns


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 02:23:35 PM
Unless they are offering a real good bat - one of their starters, I'd pass on dealing Julian there

Maybe they offer Matsui, Carroll.......

Pass.

We're just not that settles with RH relief, as much as I like Hansack


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 02:25:06 PM
Besides - who's going to tell Matsuzaka when to throw at A-Rod (defining moment of the seaosn, BTW)?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:27:51 PM
wasn't the original Helton trade proposal for Lowell, Tavarez, MDC and/or Hansen?



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 02:30:00 PM
Yeah, I believe it was.  And Helton has been having one hell of a bounceback season


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:35:49 PM
I wonder if the Rockies are still in the salary dump mode-as Helton is the type of bat that could help a sox line-up that struggles from time to time.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 02:40:03 PM
Yeah, I believe it was.  And Helton has been having one hell of a bounceback season

Helton's not currently on the block

I did like Hawpe before we got J D


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:45:11 PM
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Helton's not currently on the block

the Rockies are in last place, and they owe this guy a lot of dough, they wanted to trade him in ST, they may decide in about a month or so to see what they can get for him. Who knows maybe the Ys would dump Minky for him?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 02:46:59 PM
Holliday will be arb eligible next offseason, I'm not sure why the Rockies would now be disinterested in moving Helton's salary as it would free up cash.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 02:50:41 PM
Holliday will be arb eligible next offseason, I'm not sure why the Rockies would now be disinterested in moving Helton's salary as it would free up cash.

OTHER THAN HE'S THE FACE OF THE FRANCHISE


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 02:53:47 PM
So?  What's changed since the offseason?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:55:11 PM
kid-you might be right about Helton

but they were willing to trade the "face" earlier this year and the "face" who has a "no-face contract" said he would only be traded to Boston and that he would nix any other deal.

so who knows?





Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 08, 2007, 02:56:11 PM
The Rockies still are looking to move Aktins to first and bring up Ian Stewart for third.  Helton could bring them some badly needed arms and some salary space


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 02:59:02 PM
i DON'T THINK THEY WERE EVER LOOKING TO DEAL th.  Not sure you read the aftermath.

Atkins?  I don't see why


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 02:59:21 PM
and as I recall the stumbling block to the deal was the inclusion of MDC AND Hansen

IIRC the sox only wanted one of thsoe guys plus Tav and Lowell in the deal.

I don't remember how much the Rockies were going to eat on the Helton contract.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 03:27:04 PM
The Rockies still are looking to move Aktins to first and bring up Ian Stewart for third.  Helton could bring them some badly needed arms and some salary space

My bad - thought you were saying deal Atkins


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 03:29:33 PM
I'm not so sure I like the Helton deal any more. Is he that much an upgrade over Lowell to lose Lowell's D?

nah, let's stay the course with this team and replace Lowell next year with Arod. ;)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 03:30:51 PM
Stewart is just 22, off a 10-71-.268 year

I don't see the rush


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 08, 2007, 03:33:13 PM
Was Rudy Giuliani more than a fan of the Yankees? Was he on the take???

 

His monogamous embrace of the Yankees as mayor was so fervent that when he tried to deliver a West Side stadium to them early in his administration, or approved a last-minute $400 million subsidy for their new Bronx stadium, New Yorkers blithely ascribed the bad deals to a heaving heart.

It turns out he also had an outstretched hand.

Sports fans grew accustomed to seeing Giuliani, in Yankee jacket and cap, within camera view of the team's dugout at every one of the 40 postseason home games the Yankees played while he was mayor. His devotion reached such heights that at the 1995 Inner Circle press dinner, he played himself handing the city over to George Steinbrenner in a lampoon version of the Broadway musical Damn Yankees, succumbing to a scantily clad Lola who importuned him on behalf of the Boss to the tune of "Whatever Lola Wants (Lola Gets)." Mike Bloomberg understood years later that the song was no joke; he nixed Rudy's stadium deal in his first weeks in office.

It is only now, however, as Giuliani campaigns for president, that we are beginning to learn that this relationship went even deeper. Giuliani has been seen on the campaign trail wearing a World Series ring, a valuable prize we never knew he had. Indeed, the Yankees have told the Voice that he has four rings, one for every world championship the Yankees won while he was mayor. Voice calls to other cities whose teams won the Series in the past decade have determined that Giuliani is the only mayor with a ring, much less four. If it sounds innocent, wait for the price tag. These are certainly no Canal Street cubic zirconia knockoffs.

With Giuliani's name inscribed in the 1996, 1998, 1999, and 2000 diamond-and-gold rings, memorabilia and baseball experts say they are collectively worth a minimum of $200,000. The Yankees say that Giuliani did pay for his rings—but only $16,000, and years after he had left office. Anyone paying for the rings is as unusual as a mayor getting one, since neither the Yankees nor any other recent champion have sold rings to virtually anyone. The meager payment, however, is less than half of the replacement value of the rings, and that's a fraction of the market price, especially with the added value of Giuliani's name.

What's more troubling is that Giuliani's receipt of the rings may be a serious breach of the law, and one that could still be prosecuted.

 

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0719,barrett,76566,2.html (http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0719,barrett,76566,2.html)

 



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 08, 2007, 03:45:40 PM
Someone from the party of Reagan, in league with the evil empire!  Who'd'a thunk.

Rudy Giuliani: Lord of the Rings.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 08, 2007, 04:22:00 PM
Looked over at Yankees forum - on NYT - and there are still new posts - yet I see no place 'live' for posting messages?

is there some kind of 'in group' that is able to hack and post?

No other forums seem to have posts beyond 10 April.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 08, 2007, 04:52:46 PM
It was posted here, Nap - the method of stilll posting at the Times

BTW - Will someone please tell the know nothing hack over there that Farnsworth pitched back to back 12 times last year.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 04:53:27 PM
while they locked the front door, padlocked the backdoor and barred the windows, you can still bribe the guards.

try the following:

http://forums.nytimes.com/top/opinion/readersopinions/forums/sports/baseball/theyankees/index.html?type=write

if you do decide to visit, bring flowers, candy and maybe a kind word or two for the in-mates


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 08, 2007, 05:38:05 PM


It was posted here, Nap - the method of stilll posting at the Times


Sorry - but where? - there are now 55 pages of posts.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 08, 2007, 05:39:30 PM


It was posted here, Nap - the method of stilll posting at the Times


Sorry - but where? - there are now 55 pages of posts.

Just follow bankshot's link in the post right before your question.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 05:40:21 PM
Nappy

I gave you the link, click on it and it will deliver you straight to Josephine

she's wating for you

edit: what wp said

and Nap, she really is waiting for you, I think reunions can be fun


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 07:11:49 PM
Schilling ripped into bonds today, Ortiz backed him. I guess I'm supposed to march in lockstep with both.

I think it demonstrates what's happening nationally. Whites hate Bonds, Blacks and Hispanics love him.

I personally think that Bonds is the best non-pitcher to have played the game in my lifetime. And that's saying a lot.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 08, 2007, 07:51:47 PM
No PK.

Roberto Clemente.

I rest my case.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: Napoleon on May 08, 2007, 10:24:18 PM
Banks;

Sorry - for unknown reasons - had not seen your link

Not looking to post there - but was curious about how it was done - has that access been hacked? And how did it become 'public?'


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 10:58:51 PM
I was trying to figure out who I'd put up there with Bonds that I had actually seen play. I considered all the Boston greats of course, but I never saw Williams play (I also missed the Russell years - my parents should have gotten married a bit sooner). Honestly, Ortiz comes the closest in hitting but doesn't have Bonds ability on the basepaths and in the field.

So I wanted someone who could hit the ball, play outstanding D and run. I picked Clemente.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 10:59:22 PM
another strong performance by Beckett, not blow-away dominating but he was always in control (after the first 2 batters anyway)

nice to have an easy win from time to time.

Bonds? if not for the cloud of suspicion of PED, maybe he would be universally acclaimed as the greatest, but that cloud ain't going away

I thought Willie Mays, Frank Robinson and Hank Aaron were all better than Clemente. I never saw Williams in his prime-but he may have been the best hitter who played in my lifetime.

Nappy-Our resident computer wiz and host, liq cracked the NYT posting puzzle.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 08, 2007, 11:02:12 PM
Anyone have the list of best starts by a red Sox pitcher? I know Beckett is one behind the record 8-0 shared by Ruth. But I remember that Sonny Siebert got off to a great start one year and beat Vida Blue in a head to head matchup. Siebert was my first Sox pitching idol.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 08, 2007, 11:06:32 PM
Anyone have the list of best starts by a red Sox pitcher? I know Beckett is one behind the record 8-0 shared by Ruth. But I remember that Sonny Siebert got off to a great start one year and beat Vida Blue in a head to head matchup. Siebert was my first Sox pitching idol.

my dad (rip) took me that game. IIRC Seibert was 8-0 or something like that and beat Blue who was 10-1

Sox won 4-3.

edit" so IIRC Seibert won at least 9 in a row.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 09, 2007, 08:57:01 AM
Well Pedroia has really come on as of late


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 09:05:55 AM
from today's Globe

re: best starts by Sox pitchers

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He became just the sixth Sox pitcher to win his first seven starts. The club record is eight, shared by Babe Ruth (1917), Dave Ferriss (1945), and Roger Moret (1973). George Winter (1901) and Mickey Harris (1946) are the others who won their first seven.
.

I forgot about Rogelio Moret, he had a couple of very good years with the Sox.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 09, 2007, 09:15:20 AM
So, now that the Yanks bent their rules to get Clemens, how long until we see Yankees sporting mustaches, goatees, and long hair?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 09, 2007, 09:26:27 AM
How long until we see cap sporting a goatee? Where is cap? I get a kick out of the latest poll. I'm sure cap will vote for "win the division" in the desperate hope to retain that nickel.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 09:27:01 AM
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Well Pedroia has really come on as of late

I heard Ortiz got a buddy in DR to send up some GNC protein-shakes for Pedroia.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 09, 2007, 09:30:17 AM
How long until we see cap sporting a goatee? Where is cap? I get a kick out of the latest poll. I'm sure cap will vote for "win the division" in the desperate hope to retain that nickel.

Cap cancelled his membership after the latest back and forth


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 09:33:17 AM
he quit over that?-that stuff was mild.

edit: I guess he didn't like being publicly ID'ed as being a hypocritical bullshitter, or a bsing hypocrite.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 09, 2007, 09:37:26 AM
How long until we see cap sporting a goatee? Where is cap? I get a kick out of the latest poll. I'm sure cap will vote for "win the division" in the desperate hope to retain that nickel.

That's a good one. Derek Jeter in dreadlocks and Matsui being permitted to take leaks in the visitor's bullpen.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 09, 2007, 09:41:01 AM
That's too bad. It was pretty mild smack. But I've been there. cap gets to do what he wants.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 09:47:24 AM
the funniest thing about cap's "last post" was that he blamed "us" for wanting this just as a Sox forum.

it was another cap strawman argument.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 09:51:03 AM
as for the Ys, if they can tread water until Rocket shows up, they're hardly dead. Way too much talent on that team. Andy dodged a couple of bullets last night, got a nice play to nab Sosa at the plate and get out of the ininng and pitched a good game.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 09, 2007, 09:52:44 AM
I'm sorry to see Cap go (although it wouldn't surprise me if he were to come back).

Cappy, Doc, if you're reading this, come back. You're a good guy. You can put up with our being Sox fans, and we can put up with your occasional pissy moods.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 09:57:33 AM
wp-just tell him when he does show-up again, to tell the truth fromtime to time. and admit when he might be wrong.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 09, 2007, 10:06:19 AM
wp-just tell him when he does show-up again, to tell the truth fromtime to time. and admit when he might be wrong.

Not my job, Rich, nor do I worry so much about getting people to admit when they're wrong. I find we can generally tell if they're wrong, and simply pointing it out to them once or twice and then moving on seems to make for a better forum experience. Just my view.

God knows, if we were to expend even a modest amount of energy trying to expose all of the idiocy that gets posted on Internet message boards, there wouldn't be time for anything else.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 10:19:32 AM
wp-you got e-mail.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 09, 2007, 10:46:20 AM
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God knows, if we were to expend even a modest amount of energy trying to expose all of the idiocy that gets posted on Internet message boards, there wouldn't be time for anything else.

Not even Red Sox baseball? 

Hey, missed in all this furor is that I am now a full member. Cue whisk. Again, my pay increase goes to YG.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 09, 2007, 11:03:25 AM
I've got no real problems with Curt Schilling, but once in a while he needs to be quiet.

Al Kaline was as good as Roberto Clemente.  I've got a list as long as my arm of guys as good as Ernie Banks.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 11:03:42 AM
pk-congrats on the milestone-a quick heads-up the intiation ceremony is kind of funky...

While I don't want to look past the BJs and O's, (the birds of a feather series) I'm kind of looking forward to the upcoming Tigers/Tribe AL Central match-ups


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 09, 2007, 11:21:35 AM
My first 2007 visit to Fenway will be the last game of the Detroit series. I've got a standing room ticket in the right field roof deck section. I'm curious to see what it is about that perch that makes anyone think it's worth $110 a ticket (though only $30 for standing room, which probably affords a clear view of any play that occurs between second base and the position normallly occupied by the short fielder).


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 09, 2007, 11:33:56 AM
I don't get the rf deck. For that price, I'd rather have a Pavillion seat.

I plunked down the money for a Red Sox Destinations package in Phoenix, although I'll get my own hotel. I know people who have raved about the experience. As part of the deal, we get a reception with a Sox player and I hear it's Curt's turn. I'll be happy to pass along greetings from ham.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 09, 2007, 11:38:03 AM
I don't get the rf deck. For that price, I'd rather have a Pavillion seat.

I plunked down the money for a Red Sox Destinations package in Phoenix, although I'll get my own hotel. I know people who have raved about the experience. As part of the deal, we get a reception with a Sox player and I hear it's Curt's turn. I'll be happy to pass along greetings from ham.

I dare ya to try to walk around that ballpark. Go ahead, try.

I actually liked the park, though. I emerged from it into sheets of rain and howling wind that came as a complete surprise.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 09, 2007, 11:54:11 AM
I like the Bob or whatever it is called now too. We enjoyed a really nice Cards/Dbacks game with Monica and her husband a couple of years ago.

Which makes me wonder, did Monica make the transition over to here? And what about Rogertclemens/garog?

PK WE are definitely coming to Houston, I just haven't set up the flights etc yet.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 09, 2007, 12:05:55 PM
Great. We will definately need 4 to Minutemaid.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 09, 2007, 12:34:32 PM
Is it ok if we just go to the Tuesday game?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 09, 2007, 12:41:30 PM
One Astros game is all I can handle. For some reason they bore me to tears. Remember that Biggio is getting close to 3000, so tickets may get scarce soon.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2007, 01:31:58 PM
Anyone have the list of best starts by a red Sox pitcher? I know Beckett is one behind the record 8-0 shared by Ruth. But I remember that Sonny Siebert got off to a great start one year and beat Vida Blue in a head to head matchup. Siebert was my first Sox pitching idol.

my dad (rip) took me that game. IIRC Seibert was 8-0 or something like that and beat Blue who was 10-1

Sox won 4-3.

edit" so IIRC Seibert won at least 9 in a row.

Here's the box:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS197105280.shtml

Sonny lost his next 4, then won 5 straight, then lost another 5

16-10 overall


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 01:57:25 PM
kid-that's the game

as pk mentioned there was a huge amount of buzz to that match-up, (along the lines of the first Pedro/Rocket game in the Bronx, the 2-0 Mem.week-end game)

both teams in first playing good ball,
first game of a week-end series, and both starters were pitching lights-out



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2007, 02:56:45 PM
Re:  best player ever witnessed

Can't think of one that could beat you more consistently than Rose


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 09, 2007, 03:49:04 PM
A good thing about schilling is that when he opens his mouth (often) and says something really stupid (more often than i'd like to admit), he has the guts to take responsibility for it and apologize (always).

www.38pitches.com


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 09, 2007, 03:56:43 PM
That's the best apology since John Cleese was dangled outside the window by Kevin Kline.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: dmac on May 09, 2007, 08:58:45 PM
I've also been to The Bob or whatever, and we really loved it. Went out to the pool area which is cool.

I'm going to Fla. Sat. AM and next week for some reason the Devil Dogs are hosting Texas at Disney World for a 3 game set so I just my head over there and get a $15 outfield grass ticket. We'll see.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 09, 2007, 10:32:34 PM
real nice outing by Dice-k against the 2nd-time around BJs, Rios had him figured and he made a 1 bad pitch to Overbay, but his control  was so much better. Looked good against a down in the dumps team.

and according to the BJ announcers its Halladay tomorrow.

damn-Sox are going to see this guy 6 times this year.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 09, 2007, 11:10:47 PM
IP-H-K

45-40-47

NEXT!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 07:49:28 AM
a few days ago someone (?) posted that they thought the Y's were covered with insurance for Pavano

so from today's NYT:

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Cashman would not say how many Yankee contracts are covered by disability insurance, or whether the often-injured Carl Pavano is insured. Pavano, whose four-year, $39.95 million deal runs through 2008, may need elbow surgery that would prevent him from pitching for a year.

Cashman said that each year, Yankee officials assess which players will be insured, based on policy costs and pre-existing conditions.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/10/sports/baseball/10clemens.html?ref=baseball



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 10, 2007, 08:03:19 AM
I was the one who had asked if anyone knew if Pavano was insured. Thanks for the info.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 10, 2007, 08:10:13 AM
It's a pretty out of character for Francona to have to tell "Zippy" Schilling to shut his big yap after his Bonds comments. Let alone go public with it. Don't you think?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 10, 2007, 08:15:17 AM
Dice pitched a nice game last night. Next start is against  a solid hitting Detroit. A true test in my view.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 10, 2007, 08:16:55 AM
It's a pretty out of character for Francona to have to tell "Zippy" Schilling to shut his big yap after his Bonds comments. Let alone go public with it. Don't you think?

I don't know if it's out of character, but I think Francona's handling of the issue so far (which isn't far) is on the money.

Francona does a good job with this team.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 08:48:35 AM
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It's a pretty out of character for Francona to have to tell "Zippy" Schilling to shut his big yap after his Bonds comments.

from what i've read, they're close, and they trust each other, so maybe Francona used some of those trust chits to tell his reticent ace, cool it. That plus they got to face Bonds in a few weeks.

fwiw, I'm mostly entertained by Schill and his comments even if I don't agree with them.

re Detroit and testing Dice-k.

IMO its more a test for the Sox than for Dice-k (as will the series with the Tribe). But I think Dice-ks "tests' will continue for sometime. But so far, he has yet to have been hit hard and most of his troubles have been self-induced. 

and even though the BJs are in the dumps and currently struggling they've a pretty good liine-up, and he's faced them twice, same deal with the Ys (2X) and Seattle isn't bad.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2007, 09:25:09 AM
It's a pretty out of character for Francona to have to tell "Zippy" Schilling to shut his big yap after his Bonds comments. Let alone go public with it. Don't you think?

I don't know if it's out of character, but I think Francona's handling of the issue so far (which isn't far) is on the money.

Francona does a good job with this team.

Very true

3 less titles aside, I think Terry is not too far from getting the Torre treatment (manager for life).


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 10, 2007, 10:21:14 AM
Francona was so busy last night playing psychologist to the troops, I am worried he's going to take August off :)))

"You know what, we checked with him after the game,'' manager Terry Francona said. "Asked him, 'Do you need a mental day?
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/05/drew_slumping.html


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 10, 2007, 11:36:38 AM
Francona used to do the same thing with Damon.

Wow, sox are playing well. Unlike Yankee fans, I prefer to face the tougher pitchers. They are all tough in the post and might as well get used to it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 01:17:45 PM
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I prefer to face the tougher pitchers.


for entertainment value, I would too, but for the purposes of winning games, give me a Josh Towers. Besides Halladay is the type of pitcher guy that can throw a team into a 3-day hitting funk. And the Sox are vulnerable to those types of hitting slumps.

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They are all tough in the post and might as well get used to it.

gotta get there first.



One GM on "_____________: "Most dominant pitcher I can remember."

fill-in the blank


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2007, 01:24:36 PM
Robinson Checo or Brien Taylor.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 01:36:53 PM
heh

that's not the answer in my envelope, but please try again


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2007, 03:38:41 PM
Not a strong performance out of Wang. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2007, 03:38:59 PM
Typical Wang day.  High hits, low K.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2007, 03:42:54 PM
I don't really care about the high hits and I care even less about low K's.  I care about the 7 earned runs which is not "typical."


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2007, 03:47:53 PM
1 QS in 4

Yanks with a real tough stretch

9 on road, then 6 home, but vs BOS and LAA, followed by 3 in TOR

Should be about .500 when month is through


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2007, 03:56:24 PM
Last year -

19 QS vs 16 non, including the playoff game

2005 - 13 and 5


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 04:16:29 PM
yikes-last time I looked it was 4-1-did wang have his typical 1 bad inning?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2007, 04:25:48 PM
7 earned runs in 6.1 innings-so two bad innings....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 04:30:24 PM
Texas was due to break-out, probably not much more than that, was Wang's sinker working?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2007, 04:30:49 PM
Couldn't tell on Gamecast.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 04:41:51 PM
looks like he got about 15 groundball outs (including dps) thru 6 innings


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 10, 2007, 05:04:22 PM
I'm sure there's some official explanation. My guess: too strong.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 10, 2007, 05:27:50 PM
According to an unimpeachable source on the NYT forum, Torre said that Wang "pitched well enough to win." Not on my TV, he didn't, by a damn long shot.

I will say that his job was made more difficult by some truly abysmal Y defense. Abreu really does seem wall-shy. A badly botched rundown between third and home hurt. But the pitching was no good either.

Napoleon, are you XYZ? You stand accused by the Demon Avenger of the NY Times.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2007, 05:28:33 PM
A-Rod botched a run down and the gates opened

Then Joe inexpicably had Wang out there in the 7th


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2007, 05:30:06 PM
Of note also was that Rangers ran all over Yank chickenwing OF


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 10, 2007, 05:42:03 PM
Of note also was that Rangers ran all over Yank chickenwing OF

That sounds like one big racist remark. What's with you?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 10, 2007, 05:47:32 PM
Of note also was that Rangers ran all over Yank chickenwing OF

That sounds like one big racist remark. What's with you?

No, it doesn't. Chickens of all races, colors, and creeds have in common the fact that they can't throw.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 10, 2007, 05:50:19 PM
Kid's going to make his share of racist remarks before all is said and done.  This is not one he needs to be criticized for.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 10, 2007, 05:50:44 PM
Never heard that one before. You must live on a farm or something. Yee Haw !!!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 10, 2007, 06:03:28 PM
BJ Ryan out for the season. Talk about adding insult to injury.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 10, 2007, 06:28:42 PM
Chickenwing is a term I recall from Little League. It wasn't so much about having a comparatively weak arm (which I did, but in my defense I couldn't hit either) but about short-arming a throw.

And for the record, I did not grow up on a farm.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sonora on May 10, 2007, 06:44:35 PM
Oh. I thought it was a polite way of saying chicken****.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 10, 2007, 06:46:19 PM
Let's just say they were quite weak.

Gerald Laird took liberty.

N Cruz on the other hand has a cannon.  One of the best I have seen the last 5 years.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 10, 2007, 09:41:32 PM
Wow. The Yankees feast against Texas/Seattle (as expected) and lose ground.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 10:31:53 PM
IMO Ortiz has given Cy Wakesfield protein shakes.

another outstanding job and a sub-2.00 era to boot.

nice call on Halladay bank.

jeeze.

btw I had BBQ chickenwings for dinner.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 10, 2007, 10:41:42 PM
BTW, that was Santana in your blank. I was pretty excited to see him in person last weekend, but the Sox really made him work. Quite amazing, as they have usually struggled against quality lhp. I think that shows how well things are going for this team.

Of course, for all his struggle, Santana gave up but one run.

PS. It took a few minutes, but the avatar is well done.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 10, 2007, 10:48:47 PM
BINGO!

Santana was the answer. When I saw that quote today I said to myself, "how old is this (unnamed) GM".

I was hoping to spark a baseball discussion, but the gents were off solving the middle east crisis, or national security, or glued to gamecast watching the sun set on a once proud franchsie.

I mean didn't that GM see Pedro pitch in '99/00? Now Santana's a fine pitcher, the best today, but he ain't Pedro.

edit: the avatar is probably doomed to a short life. Although I've got a thought if the sox can tack on one more.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 10:37:51 AM
The Red Sox are really rolling, I can't wait to see how they perform on all cylinders.......


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 10:39:46 AM
Going to the game tonite.  I can't seem to shake these Tavarez starts.  Hopefully he pitches like his last time our versus the last game I went to where he got waxed


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 11, 2007, 10:41:52 AM
The Red Sox are really rolling, I can't wait to see how they perform on all cylinders.......

Cylinders be damned, show me the Vegas odds.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 10:44:51 AM
Red Sox have 4-1 odds to win the World Series (and the best odds).  Yanks still have good odds though at 6-1.  The Brew crew getting little respect at 10-1


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 10:45:40 AM
Looks like I should have bought some furniture at Jordan's


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 11, 2007, 10:50:07 AM
Red Sox have 4-1 odds to win the World Series (and the best odds).  Yanks still have good odds though at 6-1.  The Brew crew getting little respect at 10-1

I knew I could count on you to do the research for me....


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 11, 2007, 12:07:13 PM
Dick Van Patton in Eight is Enough?

It is customary for me to say something a bit negative about julian on the afternoon before his starts. I do not wish to break tradition. But I note that if he can get the W tonight that we (sorry YG) would go through the rotation with every starter winning. That seems fitting in this good start to the season.

Nice play by Mirabelli last night in the first. Seems a bit weird to say that was the play of the game in an 8-0 win, but it was.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 12:46:03 PM
Lowell is hitting like he did in his prime


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 12:56:57 PM
Dick Van Patton in Eight is Enough?

It is customary for me to say something a bit negative about julian on the afternoon before his starts. I do not wish to break tradition. But I note that if he can get the W tonight that we (sorry YG) would go through the rotation with every starter winning. That seems fitting in this good start to the season.

Nice play by Mirabelli last night in the first. Seems a bit weird to say that was the play of the game in an 8-0 win, but it was.

Absolute brainlocks by the opposition are always welcome.  (As in the A-Rod play yesterday as well)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2007, 02:28:47 PM
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Dick Van Patton in Eight is Enough?

that's a good one, but if 14 1/2 wasn't enough in '78, Eight ain't enough in '07.

Have I mentioned that I reallydon't care for Don Zimmer?

or  5-hour meetings on Friday!!!

If the Sox win tonite, and the Ys lose I'm going with a western/poker theme.

Quote
Nice play by Mirabelli last night in the first. Seems a bit weird to say that was the play of the game in an 8-0 win, but it was.

2 bingos!!! The BJ's 1st had the smell of a big inning but...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: 17.ks on May 11, 2007, 03:32:34 PM
Question:

Are these Red Sox really as good as they look, or are they just coincidentally going up against teams that are temporarily floundering?  Maybe its me, but it seems that they keep meeting up with teams that are going through bad times.

There's an old baseball adage that says its not so much who you play, but when you play them.  Are the Sox beneficiaries of lucky scheduling, or are they causing their opponents doldrums?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 11, 2007, 03:33:15 PM
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Are these Red Sox really as good as they look, or are they just coincidentally going up against teams that are temporarily floundering?
Yes?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 03:35:54 PM
Question:

Are these Red Sox really as good as they look, or are they just coincidentally going up against teams that are temporarily floundering?  Maybe its me, but it seems that they keep meeting up with teams that are going through bad times.

There's an old baseball adage that says its not so much who you play, but when you play them.  Are the Sox beneficiaries of lucky scheduling, or are they causing their opponents doldrums?

Watch the games and draw your own conclusions.

Looks like pretty solid baseball to me.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 03:37:41 PM
Of course we all know that the SEVEN game lead is born of Yankee struggles.  But we don't mind this at all.

23-10 is just 3 games better than last year's thru-33 record.  Yanks won 19 of their first 33 a year ago, so are 3 back of that pace.

JUST 3 back, I should say.

Need to keep growing that margin - and to stay healthy.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 03:40:35 PM
Zink got promoted back to AAA.  It looks like he's finally started to master the knuckleball rather than the knuckleball mastering him. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 03:43:29 PM
Question:

Are these Red Sox really as good as they look, or are they just coincidentally going up against teams that are temporarily floundering?  Maybe its me, but it seems that they keep meeting up with teams that are going through bad times.

There's an old baseball adage that says its not so much who you play, but when you play them.  Are the Sox beneficiaries of lucky scheduling, or are they causing their opponents doldrums?

The key is to take advantage when a team is floundering.  Even slumping teams are hard to sweep. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2007, 03:47:54 PM
the Sox have clearly benefitted from playing some good teams at less than 100%.

None the less, the 20-12 (?) Tribe played the Ys and dropped all 3. While the Sox have won 5 of 6.

Outside of the BJ series, they've played good baseball but hardly great baseball.

I'm still waiting for Lugo, Drew and Manny to hit. The SP though has been outstanding.  

 

 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2007, 03:52:41 PM
I just saw this-its pretty funny

http://homerderby.com/archives/446

Vernon Wells and heckling Tribe fans

or Boz and Moclamoose's excellent adventure at the Jake

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“Here’s your ball, now please tell me what gas station you work at so I can come and yell at you when you’re working. Please sit down, shut up and enjoy the game. From your favorite centre fielder, Vernon Wells.”


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 11, 2007, 04:23:57 PM
It's a shame we don't hear from Moclamoose these days.

The Detroit series next week will be the first time the Sox encounter a truly hot team (and that might depend on how things go for them vs. the Twins this weekend--they get Santana tonight). But I think the Sox themselves have contributed significantly to the less-than-stellar shape some teams find themselves in.

The starting rotation makes you feel they have a very good chance of winning almost any given game. Beyond that, the bullpen has been brilliant--I don't think it has hurt them in a single game with the exception of Papelbon's one blown save.

I expect the offense to improve.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 11, 2007, 04:26:05 PM
I just saw this-its pretty funny

http://homerderby.com/archives/446

Vernon Wells and heckling Tribe fans

or Boz and Moclamoose's excellent adventure at the Jake

Quote
“Here’s your ball, now please tell me what gas station you work at so I can come and yell at you when you’re working. Please sit down, shut up and enjoy the game. From your favorite centre fielder, Vernon Wells.”
I've never heckled an opposing player at the Jake, except Joey Belle ("Keg Party at my house, Joey!") and that from so far away there was no chance for him to hear me.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 11, 2007, 04:29:28 PM
17's question comes down to 5 series:

LAA      3-0  Angels had SP issues
NYY      3-0  Yankees started Wright
@NYY   2-1   Pettitte "too strong"
@MIN    2-1  Mauer to DL
@TOR   3-0   Toronto in long losing streak

I'd say maybe they were "lucky" in about 2 of these 15 games (LAA Carasco game and the Wright game). In both of these games they had one of their top 3 pitching, so the odds were good to win anyway.

In each case, these teams looked weak in hindsight, not a priori. Think we have to give some credit to the Sox.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 11, 2007, 04:30:03 PM
The Red Sox offense has been a top 3 offense in the AL in OBP, SLG, runs, RBIs, and homeruns.  So much for that offensive production that certain Y posters were so skeptical about going into the season


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 04:38:56 PM
Kay called our bottom third hideous.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 11, 2007, 04:41:54 PM
Kay called our bottom third hideous.

Kay's an expert on hideous bottoms.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 04:48:01 PM
LOL at Fat Mike

"Two of the Red Sox pitchers are not going to pitch this way all season.......................Beckett is not going 28-0"



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: lisa mariner on May 11, 2007, 05:03:18 PM
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I've never heckled an opposing player
Me neither.  But I think I may be able to muster up a heckle or twenty for Mr. Phelps this weekend at The Safe ;-)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 05:24:17 PM
Intresting -

Joe looking at late May for Rocket, not too much past that for Hughes


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 11, 2007, 05:46:00 PM
who knows, if the lead grows to 9-10 games, Rocket may be good to go by Monday.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 11, 2007, 10:29:39 PM
miggy really put a hurtin' on the sox with the leather tonight.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 10:31:52 PM
Tough call on Papi in the 8th, but Lowell may have been out at second on the Tejada snag.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 11, 2007, 10:33:36 PM
Tavarez (6.60) simply sucks ass

Hope to see Hansack take a turn


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 11, 2007, 10:43:36 PM
Hansack sent to Pawtucket, Lopez recalled to take his place.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2007, 08:53:11 AM
frustrating loss last nite for the Sox-a timely hit here or there, (freakin' Miggy) could have overcome a poor start by Tavarez


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 12, 2007, 09:17:39 AM
I blame liq. He goes to a game and they lose.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2007, 09:35:13 AM
perhaps we should talk to him.

btw, check the bottom of SoSH's main page and get back to me.

later-much later I'm a soccer dad today


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 12, 2007, 09:47:55 AM
Congrats, man. My gift to you is Schilling on the mound.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 12, 2007, 05:29:18 PM
late inning outburst-coulda used some of those runs yesterday.

but never look a gift-horse in the mouth

Go Sox




Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 12, 2007, 05:55:52 PM
Red Sox on a roll. Making hay while the sun shines.

What happened with Schilling?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 13, 2007, 10:15:08 AM
three consecutive first pitch singles

got in a jam

couldn't emerge unscathed

bad inning

it happens

or perhaps an out of the box deeper analysis is called for,

maybe Schilling's 6th woes can be attributed to:

his desperate need for attention

his belief that Theo always loved Beckett more 

mounting feelings of inadequacy after reading CHB's latest column

he forgot to send his mom flowers so he internalized his anger

damn, I knew there was something I had to do today.

Happy Mother's Day MOM



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 13, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
Beckett pulled after 4  due to irritated finger and misses a chance for win number 8.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 13, 2007, 05:21:13 PM
That is why you never give up on a game. Walkoff error hit.

If the official scorer's going to change it, I might as well.

Awaiting rml's avatar...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on May 13, 2007, 05:55:24 PM
What a nice Mothers Day gift by the Red Sox.Strangely my two Yankee buddies in NY had their machines on when I called to give them the news.Word travels fast.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 13, 2007, 09:02:34 PM
I got back home around 4:00 saw it was 5-0, and then ran out to do a BBQ-related shopping. As I was walking into the market, I saw a guy with a sox hat and sox wind-breaker starting to driving off- I hollered " go sox" he looked out his window and smiled and  said "not today"- I mean they're down 5-0, its a lost cause right?

I get out of the market put on WFAN and I hear Richard Neer almost crying about the game.

So the sox now got an 8-game lead over both the O's and the Y's. And why is that? Can we point to any one individual?

Nope its a full house-lead by Aces.

Aces and Eights.


 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 14, 2007, 12:32:41 AM
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Aces and Eights.
Dead Man's Hand, isn't it?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 06:52:26 AM
Wild Bill was holding Aces up Eights, with a queen, when he got shot, not a full-house




Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 14, 2007, 08:01:34 AM
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Dead Man's Hand, isn't it?

In the AL, the dead man's hand is two pair plus Borowski.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 09:07:35 AM
That was an amazing rally yesterday.  Perlozzo really let us off the hook.  I can't believe he pulled Guthrie after an error by the catcher.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 09:11:35 AM
“I looked up and I couldn’t really believe it, I thought it was a mistake” -- Johnny Damon upon noticing the Red Sox come from behind win on the scoreboard at Safeco Field yesterday.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 09:37:53 AM
Rocket to start at Fenway?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2869206

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Clemens would be in line to pitch next at Double-A Trenton, against Portland on May 23, then could pitch at Triple-A Scranton against Toledo on May 28. That would put him on track to make his return to the Yankees on June 2 at Boston's Fenway Park.

following the Rocket signing, I assumed Torre was safe, at least for awhile, but if the Ys sleep-walk on this road-trip, are the chances still "slim and none" a managerial change is made?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 14, 2007, 09:39:52 AM
Quote
Dead Man's Hand, isn't it?

In the AL, the dead man's hand is two pair plus Borowski.
Stop with the off topic crap.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 09:40:43 AM
June 2 would be great for me since I have tixx for that game -- I just hope Tavarez ain't pitching


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 09:45:59 AM
staying on theme: it wouldn't surprse me, as Tavarez seems to draw Aces



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 09:47:36 AM
Sox get a real test this upcoming stretch against the Tigers and Braves. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 09:48:05 AM
If he is, I may just throw them up on eBay


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 09:51:29 AM
who knows-you could see Lester return.

although you could probably finance a year or two of college selling  Sox/Ys/Clemens tix.



Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 09:59:52 AM
Chipper bitchs about ILP

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2869369

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With interleague games resuming next weekend, the Braves third baseman on Sunday sharply criticized the current format that requires the Braves to meet the Red Sox six times, while the Mets oppose the Yankees six games, but other NL East teams play less-rugged schedules.

"I don't think there's any question it's not fair, but I don't think major league baseball is concerned with fair,

Braves got a tough ILP schedule.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 10:06:31 AM
That we're 'natural rivals' is idiotic anyway


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 10:27:56 AM
Rocket to start at Fenway?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2869206

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Clemens would be in line to pitch next at Double-A Trenton, against Portland on May 23, then could pitch at Triple-A Scranton against Toledo on May 28. That would put him on track to make his return to the Yankees on June 2 at Boston's Fenway Park.

following the Rocket signing, I assumed Torre was safe, at least for awhile, but if the Ys sleep-walk on this road-trip, are the chances still "slim and none" a managerial change is made?

I have tickets for June 2 at Fenway.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 10:30:06 AM
Liquid, maybe we should try to meet up. I'll be with my daughter, so the Combat Zone is right out.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 10:32:41 AM
IMO all the Sox "natural" rivals are in the AL. You can't manufacture them.







Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 10:38:51 AM
Liquid, maybe we should try to meet up. I'll be with my daughter, so the Combat Zone is right out.

Ah well, I'm not so sure my wife has much interest in The Glass Slipper anyway.  Where are your seats?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 10:41:00 AM
Liquid, maybe we should try to meet up. I'll be with my daughter, so the Combat Zone is right out.

Ah well, I'm not so sure my wife has much interest in The Glass Slipper anyway.  Where are your seats?

Reserved grandstand, somewhere on the third-base side. What about yours?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 10:44:18 AM
Really. I believe ours are there as well. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 10:49:12 AM
I'll send you e-mail when I have the tickets to look at, and maybe we can work something out.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 10:50:27 AM
Sure, that sounds good.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 14, 2007, 10:50:47 AM
It looks like Beckett will miss a start from his avulsion of the finger. That must have hurt.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/14/beckett_hopeful_he_wont_miss_start/


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 10:53:47 AM
It looks like Beckett will miss a start from his avulsion of the finger. That must have hurt.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/14/beckett_hopeful_he_wont_miss_start/

Funny, the title of the article says that he is hopeful that he won't miss his next start.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 14, 2007, 10:54:56 AM
That's true about the title. But when you read it and realize what happened and how it has to toughen up, it appears doubtful to me.


Title: What Sox should have offered
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 12:11:32 PM
Clemens wants time off to be with his family and made sure to include language in his Yankees contract so he wouldn't need to attend games in which he wasn't pitching (even though he later said he didn't know anything about the language).

Anyway, if Arroyo were Clemens' agent, he could have gotten a better deal.

"He should have gone to the Red Sox and said, 'I have an offer on the table from the Yankees. If you pay me $1 million a month, I'll go home, won't pitch at all, won't beat your brains out the rest of the year,' " Arroyo said.


http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2007/05/13/SPG1EPQ2GN1.DTL


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 12:28:24 PM
it sounds like the sox wanted to pay Clemens their respects, and not much more.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 12:29:59 PM
Clemens represents a desperate move by desperate team and I'm not certain that much much ink, cyber or otherwise, need be spilled on the subject.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 12:33:26 PM
That is some pretty sweet cleavage, tata


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 12:38:13 PM
The Yanks pitching has been better lately, if they can manage to get their hitting on the same page I do think the Yanks are a much better team than they have demonstrated so far. I believe they were down by this many games back in 2005 in May.  While I hope the swoon continues, I would very much bet that it will be another dogfight after the All-Star Break.  Granted, if the Sox can continue their winning ways and the Yanks get waxed these next couple weeks -- it will definitely be a high mountain to scale for them. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 12:44:10 PM
I don't think 8 games down is that big but....

They may or may not have been this far back in May, 2005.  The Times  today said that this is the furthest back they've been since '97, but even it's that true, they haven't been behind a team that has had as consistently excellent starting pitching as the Red Sox have, which means ,of course, no long losing streaks.  I think a lot of luck, read: Boston injuries, is going to have to take place for the Yankees to make the run.  That could very well happen, though.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 12:49:25 PM
Perhaps it was 7 games back in May 2005


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 12:52:26 PM
I can't remember.  Trisha always insisted it was 9 and that's fine with me.  I could probably look it up, but why bother?  The issues with this year's team are the same, regardless.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 12:55:02 PM
I thought the Ys were 9 out in '05.

The Sox SP if they stay healthy (this Beckett pealing finger could be interesting) should prevent a meltdown and long losing streaks.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
Just looked it up...they were 9 down as late as May 7 in 2005.  That deficit was to the Orioles, though.  I guess the Times was referring to a deficit behind the Red Sox.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 01:02:07 PM
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The Yanks pitching has been better lately, if they can manage to get their hitting on the same page I do think the Yanks are a much better team than they have demonstrated so far.

yup, what's interesting is the good jobs and length turned in by Rastner, DeSalvo and Hughes. One of which (whom?)  is going to lose playing time to Rocket.  


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 14, 2007, 01:11:40 PM
Sheesh. I remember the Sox were down 10-11 in July (2004) and won the WS. it isn't about how far you are ahead or behind, it's whether you have a strong team.

In 2002, the Sox played .700 ball to start the season, but they had weak SP (after Pedro and Lowe) and a weaker pen - and it caught up with them. My assessment at this point in the season is that the Sox pitching is pretty good (although I am worried about Timlin and Romero) and that the Y pitching is pretty average. Maybe Rog makes a dramatic impact. maybe not.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: vookaleer on May 14, 2007, 01:14:59 PM
not sure what the quoting rules are but here goes;

Report: World Series to start on a WednesdayESPN.com news services


In an effort to boost sagging ratings for the World Series, Major League Baseball will announce Monday that the 2007 Fall Classic will start on Wednesday instead of Saturday, USA Today reported.

A Wednesday start will allow baseball to avoid playing on Friday, which is TV's second-least watched night after Saturday. If the Series goes to a Game 5, it also would go head-to-head with ESPN's Monday Night Football.

According to USA Today, Game 1 will be scheduled for Wednesday Oct. 24. If the Series goes to a Game 7, it will be played on Nov. 1, the first time baseball has scheduled a World Series game in the month of November.
 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 01:17:26 PM
I wouldn't be offended if somebody made a "how will that affect the Yankees' tee-time?" joke...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 02:41:17 PM
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My assessment at this point in the season is that the Sox pitching is pretty good (although I am worried about Timlin and Romero) and that the Y pitching is pretty average. Maybe Rog makes a dramatic impact. maybe not.

having seen what injuries did to the sox last year, and remembering too many late season collapses, will help keep over-confidence in check-but the sox pitching has been great, and more than compensated for below average performance by several guys (Lugo, Drew, Manny, others)  and I still have a healthy respect for a healthy Y-rotation of Wang, Moose Pettitte, Rocket and Hughes-ever.

re: November WS ball. Didn't the Y/DBacks play at least one post-Halloween game in 2001 (because of 9/11)?

edit: so they can't play on Friday's, forget Sat. or Sunday afternoons, their screwed if there's an NFL game on Sunday or Monday nite,  I gues they'll cram a lot of baseball into Tues-Wed-Thurs.

I remember the day when the Fall Classic meant the WS, and not the St. Louis Rams v the Arizona Cardinals.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 02:43:26 PM
Yeah, I think that Series ended November  3 or 4.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 02:58:46 PM
The season's too damn long.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 02:59:31 PM
And I'm no longer a newbie. Huzzah!


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 03:00:11 PM
Is that you, Dad?  

Now that we're on a Board where profanity, I guess, is allowed, (if not yet encouraged), I should get Yankguy, Sr. to make a visit.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 03:06:23 PM
Is that you, Dad? 

Now that we're on a Board where profanity, I guess, is allowed, (if not yet encouraged), I should get Yankguy, Sr. to make a visit.

I'd love to meet him. I picture him as Ralphie's "Old Man" in A Christmas Story.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 03:07:33 PM
That's him.  Without the charm.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 03:08:53 PM
And without the Major Award?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 03:12:10 PM
I kind of pictured him as Mr. Wilson from Dennis the Menace -- if it was on HBO


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 03:16:42 PM
Yankguy, Sr. is whoever you want him to be.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 03:19:26 PM
I kind of picture him as an slightly older version of "Turtle" from Entourage.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 03:21:10 PM
Yankguy, Sr. is whoever you want him to be.

I want him to be one of sweet_tata's avatars.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 14, 2007, 03:22:54 PM
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I want him to be one of sweet_tata's avatars.
Though somehow I expect reality is more like liq's current avatar.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 03:23:34 PM
According to Yankguy, Sr., Yankguy Sr's father (aka my grandfather) was more Yankguy, Sr-like than Yankguy, Sr. himself.  Two-ball counts from Yankee pitchers (at any point in the game) invariably prompted the cry to "get somebody up in the bullpen" and two-game losing streaks were met with thrown newspapers, plainitive cries of "McCarthy must go" and general moodiness.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 03:29:24 PM
When I was about 12 years old, I went with a friend to a game at Yankee Stadium and met an elderly woman in an adjoining seat who influenced the rest of my life (in that I, my brother, and several friends still mimic her to this day). Every time--every time--a Yankee pitcher started a hitter off with ball one, she would say "Chrissakes, don't walk him!" Every time a Sox pitcher did the same, she said "Hee hee, walk him!"

Could this have been Yankgal Sr. Sr.?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 03:31:15 PM
It's certainly the right mindset. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 14, 2007, 03:48:06 PM
Well, my own grandfather -- in between naps during yesterday's game -- was quite amusing whenever he woke up and saw the scoreboard, you would have thought the Red Sox were in last place and were still doomed to cries of '1918'.  Something to the effect of, "The Red Sox are bums, they've always been bums and they always will be bums."  After waking up after the ninth, when he found out the Red Sox pulled it out, he cried, "What? The bums actually won?"


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 03:53:54 PM
Well, my own grandfather -- in between naps during yesterday's game -- was quite amusing whenever he woke up and saw the scoreboard, you would have thought the Red Sox were in last place and were still doomed to cries of '1918'.  Something to the effect of, "The Red Sox are bums, they've always been bums and they always will be bums."  After waking up after the ninth, when he found out the Red Sox pulled it out, he cried, "What? The bums actually won?"

That's not too far from my own set of reactions to yesterday's game. I'm tuning up my Old Codger shtick.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 14, 2007, 04:29:41 PM
Pretty assinine

These aint yer grampa's SAWX


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 14, 2007, 04:31:18 PM
Pretty assinine

These aint yer grampa's SAWX

It's "asinine," Kid, and you of all people should learn to spell it.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 14, 2007, 04:53:16 PM
Like most (I imagine) I went from hoping we could get a run (all game), to hoping they could get the tying run to the plate, to wide eyed wonder after Tek's double, to unimaginable frustration when I saw Robert's great play on Cora's ball, to an Orsillo type reaction after Millar's great throw.

When I start napping during games, it may be time to switch to a tamer sport. Like football.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 14, 2007, 04:59:55 PM
I don't fall asleep when I'm AT a game (yet), but more and more I drift off for a pitch or two when I watch on television.

I do admit, however, to drifting off at my kid's little league events.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bosox18d on May 14, 2007, 10:12:10 PM
Maybe the best thing tonight was Dice-K gave up no walks and went the distance.Hopefully the last two starts show he "adjusting". The next ten games with Detroit,Atlanta and the Yankees should be some kind of indicator how good the Sox are.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 14, 2007, 10:17:11 PM
So.

I'd say Daisuke can pitch in this league.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 14, 2007, 10:38:43 PM
yup. FFF was dissin' Dice-k this afternoon. Spoke more like a fan than a dispassionate analyst. In any case, that's 2 very strong games in a row for Dice-k, with really just 1 bad pitch in each (Overbay and Granderson). If he limits those bad pitchs, the guy's going to win a lot of games.

kinda disagreed with Tito's decision to let him get the complete game, but...


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 08:48:07 AM
Only got to listen to the game on the radio last night, but sounded like Dice-K was pretty dominant in getting those groundball outs.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 08:49:37 AM
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kinda disagreed with Tito's decision to let him get the complete game, but...

Maybe after the Perlozzo affair, Tito didn't want to make the same mistake.  With the way Dice-K was dominating the lineup, I don't have a problem leaving him in there for that extra inning. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 08:52:44 AM
Any word yet on Villone?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2007, 09:06:11 AM
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With the way Dice-K was dominating the lineup, I don't have a problem leaving him in there for that extra inning. 


I really didn't either, and if he wanted a CG that game was as good as any to achieve it.

it seemed he got stronger towards the end, my concern was more in the line of: with Beckett maybe missing a start or going on the DL, why chance a pitcher throwing too many pitchs. IIIRC he ended at about 125 (not a crazy #) I was just being conservative.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: sweet_tata on May 15, 2007, 09:24:15 AM
Besides the 8 1/2 game lead, what's the 8 1/2 avatar picture about?

Nice game by Dice. He rolled a 9




Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2007, 09:29:17 AM
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what's the 8 1/2 avatar picture about?


 a tribute to another foreign artiste, Fellini, and one of his classic movies .


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 15, 2007, 09:29:43 AM
Any word yet on Villone?

We don't need him.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 09:39:18 AM
I don't disagree, I'd just like him to jump ship and head elsewhere.  The less reserves for the bullpen the better


Title: Daisuke update
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 15, 2007, 09:57:49 AM
54 innings

46 hits

52 K

Next!

Fat Mike yesterday, screaming:  "He has a FIVE AND A HALF ERA!!!!!!!!"  (Russo corrected him down to 4.80 - and now of course it is at 4.18)


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 15, 2007, 09:58:52 AM
I don't disagree, I'd just like him to jump ship and head elsewhere.  The less reserves for the bullpen the better

I was just goofing.

I don't really think Villone would make much of a difference either way for the Yanks, although he might be able to hit better than Cano.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 10:02:27 AM
Or bunt better than Abreu. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: dmac on May 15, 2007, 10:15:23 AM
How's the weather in NH this week WP? I'm currently in the House of the Mouse in Fla on vacation. Is the hot weather there yet?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2007, 10:17:19 AM
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Any word yet on Villone?

IIRC Clemens may start against the sox on June 2nd.

but must we villify him?


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2007, 10:20:07 AM
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Fat Mike yesterday, screaming:  "He has a FIVE AND A HALF ERA!!!!!!!!"


I made reference to that yesterday, at times FFF can not take off his Y-hat-he's a fan with blind spots like all of us. 


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 15, 2007, 10:21:19 AM
How's the weather in NH this week WP? I'm currently in the House of the Mouse in Fla on vacation. Is the hot weather there yet?

Hey D,

It's been pretty nice, although the weekend cooled off after some very warm weather last week. Cloudy this morning, but supposed to clear up this afternoon.

Are you going to the Trop this trip?

And this reminds me--who's in for the NH Fisher Cats in July? PK, are you still planning to come up for that?

And that reminds me that Oil Can Boyd's traveling all-stars are playing the Nashua Pride this Thursday night. If not for the fact that I'm going to Fenway, I'd be there.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: yankguy on May 15, 2007, 10:32:54 AM
Hey Kid...

I sent youi a message (nothing bad-just a question about a minor leaguer) through the "personal message" thing this website has.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 15, 2007, 10:39:21 AM
WP and Dmac - yes, I have purchased plane tickets, Sox tickets and a ticket to ride. (And she don't care).

I'm going to see the Sox Thursday July 12 and Saturday 14. May end up with an extra to Thursday if there's interest. Sunday I have to get a friend's daughter to a program in Mt. Holyoke. Monday, we're on (with or without Trish and liq)(hopefully with).


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 15, 2007, 10:41:53 AM
I remember quite well the last 8.5 lead in Sept 1995. I decided to go buy a new TV for the playoffs. Turns out that none of the Cleveland series games were televised in LA and I spent the time watching the CNN sports ticker on my new TV.

So pardon me if I don't get all jacked about 8.5 in May.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 15, 2007, 10:44:33 AM
So pardon me if I don't get all jacked about 8.5 in May.

Pardon granted. Pardon me if I don't get all jacked about living in LA.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: dmac on May 15, 2007, 11:23:01 AM
Hey WP

We ended up going to Orlando this time so no games at the Trop. The Drays are playing the games against Texas at the Wide World of Sports complex in Disney were the Braves play their Spring Training games. Seats about 9500.

PK

I'm in for sure for the Fisher Cats Game in Manchester. You are welcome to stay at my condo if you want. We have a guest room now that the boys have moved out !!!! Let me know also is you need to be picked up anywhere. I'm out from work at 3:30 every day and weekends off now.

Dmac


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: PK on May 15, 2007, 11:49:44 AM
D - great. I'll be in contact as we get closer to July 16.

WP - LA's fine, sun shines most of the time, the feeling's lay back. Their baseball teams suck. And let's not even go into basketball.


Title: Re: AL East
Post by: wpsaukee on May 15, 2007, 01:15:52 PM
D - great. I'll be in contact as we get closer to July 16.

WP - LA's fine, sun shines most of the time, the feeling's lay back. Their baseball teams suck. And let's not even go into basketball.

It sounds like the TV schedule for baseball is execrable. That's all I meant. Although LA is definitely in my fun-place-to-visit-but-I-wouldn't-want-to-live-there category (like a whole lot of other places).


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 15, 2007, 01:28:40 PM
Last weekend I was doing some driving, and heard the Dallas sports radio program refer to Dallas as "Loserville." Cowboys exited playoffs early, as did the stars and Mavericks. But the clincher was that the "Rangers couldn't even hit Yankee pitching."

EDIT: Put me down as disappointed that I couldn't vote for 116 wins.

EDIT2: I am in favor of the new forum name.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 15, 2007, 03:06:17 PM
What is the new forum name choice ?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 03:08:49 PM
I figured if we were going to expand it to include the AL East, we might as well just expand it to the whole league. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 15, 2007, 03:10:29 PM
I figured if we were going to expand it to include the AL East, we might as well just expand it to the whole league. 
Oooh!  The Tribe is suddenly on topic!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 03:12:54 PM
On second thought, maybe I'll change the topic back......


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 15, 2007, 03:17:38 PM
By the way, since this is now "American League" I note that the Twinks have finally disengorged the beached whale that is Sydney Ponson's career.  On behalf of the Tribe, I consider this bad news.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 15, 2007, 03:20:21 PM
Too bad the Yanks won't ride that white whale again.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: law120b on May 15, 2007, 03:32:19 PM
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Their baseball teams suck.

their baseball teams suck because the fans there suck, not the other way around......although the dodgers are guilty of original suckdom for leaving brooklyn, the greatest place i n the world.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 15, 2007, 04:27:48 PM
great move liq-finally, a hi-quality forum to discuss the pennant chances of the KC Royals.

bux-couldn't agree more-Brooklyn's da best


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 15, 2007, 05:01:45 PM
Royals are a few years away.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 15, 2007, 06:30:37 PM
At the rate the forum name changes are going we'll be debating the Box Lacrosse League soon.

What's the matter? Not enough love for the Red Sox to keep the huddled masses interested and weaned off the NYTimes forum?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 15, 2007, 07:08:39 PM
Jerry Falwell dead. RIP. The Republican party is going to need a pneumatic coffin nailer the way things are going.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 15, 2007, 10:03:30 PM
Can't win them all. Wakefield was due for a bad game and he got touched up tonight by the long ball.

Of more concern is the big boo boo Drew got slamming into the wall that forced him to leave the game. To be continued.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2007, 06:57:20 AM
I turned on the game about a second before Maggy whacked his 3-run homer-he killed that ball. The game was like the one the night before, it was close most of the way, but Verlander like Dice-K was pretty dominant and never let the sox into it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2007, 07:44:05 AM
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Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 16, 2007, 08:53:24 AM
I can't wait to see rml's avatar if/when the Sox get a 10 point lead.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2007, 09:07:54 AM
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if/when the Sox get a 10 point lead.

points? points? there's no points in baseball.

oh, I see your point,

I had 9 and 9 1/2 covered.

IF it gets to 10-I may go to Ron Jeremy, or drop the bit


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 16, 2007, 09:43:56 AM
Can't win them all. Wakefield was due for a bad game and he got touched up tonight by the long ball.

Of more concern is the big boo boo Drew got slamming into the wall that forced him to leave the game. To be continued.


Drew slammed into a wall?

He's out for the season.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 16, 2007, 09:45:17 AM
Quote
if/when the Sox get a 10 point lead.

points? points? there's no points in baseball.

oh, I see your point,

I had 9 and 9 1/2 covered.

IF it gets to 10-I may go to Ron Jeremy, or drop the bit
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078721/photogallery


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 09:47:05 AM
They said he is day-to-day


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 16, 2007, 09:47:14 AM
Not sure if I want to click on that link....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 09:48:07 AM
You can't accuse him for lack of toughness with that play -- now we'll see about fragility


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2007, 11:11:09 AM
tough is right-you'd think that after several hundred movies, and maybe thousands of women, Ron Jeremy would hit a wall-but nope,  he's always ready to take his swings, or going in hard head-first to the plate. The guy always leaves it on the field.

edit: it seems i've misconstrued liq's post, sorry.

damn wall almost took out Crisp a couple of weeks ago, and now Drew.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 16, 2007, 11:33:19 AM
tough is right-you'd think that after several hundred movies, and maybe thousands of women, Ron Jeremy would hit a wall-but nope,  he's always ready to take his swings, or going in hard head-first to the plate. The guy always leaves it on the field.

edit: it seems i've misconstrued liq's post, sorry.

damn wall almost took out Crisp a couple of weeks ago, and now Drew.


Boston should build a new, modern stadium and get rid of that dump before someone gets hurt.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 16, 2007, 11:33:50 AM
Not sure if I want to click on that link....
It's harmless.  It's a link to "10." 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2007, 11:46:53 AM
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Boston should build a new, modern stadium and get rid of that dump before someone gets hurt.


I totally agree- dome it, turf it, make it symmetrical, and spray paint it some other color than that vomit-green they got.

Or maybe the Mets can drop ship Shea,

or maybe the Twins can fed-Ex the Hefty bag. Throw a zip-lock on that place it should keep stuff good for years.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: lisa mariner on May 16, 2007, 11:54:43 AM
Ichiro 5 for 5 last night vs. the Angels.

Will he stay in Seattle?

Staying in Seattle 'touchy subject' | USA Today (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/mariners/2007-05-15-cover-ichiro_N.htm)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 11:58:56 AM
I think Ichiro will move on, I don't think he has the stomach to weather more of the M's rebuilding years



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 12:01:16 PM
I could see him jumping ship for the Angels


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 16, 2007, 12:15:57 PM
Yeah, I'm sick of old parks with character. Maybe the Sox can play all their home games in Foxboro.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 12:24:24 PM
Nah, no dome.  TD Banknorth Garden is the place.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 12:25:41 PM
Yanks call up Villone rather than lose him


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 12:26:58 PM
The Yanks have reportedly contacted the Angels about Jose Molina as an upgrade over Nieves


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2007, 12:31:00 PM
I can only imagine the trauma, when the day comes, when Hal (SVP big explosions) or Hank (SVP cocktails and snacks) the up & comers in the Y-organization , plunge the plunger, and House That Ruth Built, topples in on itself.

btw, whadda ya figure the right to plunge the plunger on Y-Stadium might go for on EBay? I mean its not as tangible as Manny's BBQ, but the bragging rights have got to be worth something, right?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 12:34:04 PM
I wonder if they'll sell off pieces of the stadium like when the Garden was demolished.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 16, 2007, 12:37:51 PM
they'll sell everything not claimed by the Steiny clan, the other partners, the HoF

you need a bench for the garden? no problem?

want to re-sod the backyard? piece of cake

edit: a very close friend was the SVP/senior construction guy on the Garden project. And he tells me that whenever I want to claim an "Old Garden Brick", just say the word. In his office he has 4 linked seats as a momento of the deal. Those are pretty cool.
 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 16, 2007, 12:41:04 PM
Quote
btw, whadda ya figure the right to plunge the plunger on Y-Stadium might go for on EBay?

If I were asked to provide a value for this, I would use Damon's game 7 grannie as a comp. Johnnie got $13x4 for blowing YS to smithereens that night.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: lisa mariner on May 16, 2007, 12:44:55 PM
I think Ichiro will move on, I don't think he has the stomach to weather more of the M's rebuilding years
Maybe. 
Then again, he did say this ...
Quote
Being an entertainer: "I want to be the kind of player who people feel it is worth paying the money to come out and watch. ... When I meet players who are playing just to win, that angers me."


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 16, 2007, 01:24:01 PM
If I were the Mariners, I'd hold on to Ichiro and make a push. They have a good young core and some premium players are available as free agents at the end of the year. Perhaps an Alex Rodriguez?

Really, the only knock on the M's is that their mgmt has not been willing to spend the bucks. With the success of the Seahawks, that may have to change.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: lisa mariner on May 16, 2007, 01:36:27 PM
Quote
Really, the only knock on the M's is that their mgmt has not been willing to spend the bucks.
I think they spend plenty. 
Besides, it's not how MUCH $$ is spent, just HOW it's spent - now there's where they could use a bit of improvement ...


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 16, 2007, 01:40:08 PM
Quote
Really, the only knock on the M's is that their mgmt has not been willing to spend the bucks.
I think they spend plenty. 
Besides, it's not how MUCH $$ is spent, just HOW it's spent - now there's where they could use a bit of improvement ...
I think the M's should try to find a traditionally underperforming corner infielder who has great numbers in his walk year and give him tons of money.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 16, 2007, 01:49:46 PM
I just looked at the M's payroll. A surprising 7th in the league at 106.5 million. The top two are Sexson and Beltre.  Dump them. Keep Ichiro.

I guess whisk just said the same thing, again in a far more clever fashion than I.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 03:49:59 PM
ChiSox getting a little cushion


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 16, 2007, 04:05:34 PM
Nice clean inning by Aardsma


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 16, 2007, 05:32:58 PM
The Curse of Corey Lidle appears unstoppable. Honor a loser, you start to play like one.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: Kam on May 16, 2007, 05:34:45 PM
The Curse of Corey Lidle appears unstoppable. Honor a loser, you start to play like one.

Classy.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 16, 2007, 07:20:48 PM
Bonderman on DL due to blisters


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 16, 2007, 07:45:09 PM
The Curse of Corey Lidle appears unstoppable. Honor a loser, you start to play like one.

Classy.

It's called consistent. Get used to it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 16, 2007, 07:55:16 PM
I find it odd that Corey Lidle smack can strike a nerve. It would be like me getting upset if someone said something bad about Javy Lopez.

I decided I have to see Bonds play this year and will go to tomorrow's game.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 16, 2007, 08:05:22 PM
When you see Bonds ask him why he hates white people, America, and apple pie.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 16, 2007, 08:11:06 PM
The guy's a first-class jerk, but he's a great player.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 16, 2007, 10:30:35 PM
Quote
Really, the only knock on the M's is that their mgmt has not been willing to spend the bucks.
I think they spend plenty. 
Besides, it's not how MUCH $$ is spent, just HOW it's spent - now there's where they could use a bit of improvement ...
I think the M's should try to find a traditionally underperforming corner infielder who has great numbers in his walk year and give him tons of money.

What?  No love for Beltre?

Aside from the outlier year and one other slightly above .8oo, he has been remarkably consistent, posting OPS of

.780
.720
.729
.714
.716
.792
.702 ('07)

Ya knows whats yas gettin


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 16, 2007, 11:10:48 PM
LOL

Wang about to upchuck another lead and Ozuna runs into the third out at 3B.

Comical how bad players are running the bases.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 06:22:15 AM
Chapter 2 on J.D.Drew - it is reported he would not have played last night.

Anyone seen the advance copies of Chapter 3 due out today?

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/17/times_are_tough____is_team_too/


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 09:38:20 AM
Much A Drew about Nothing?

also from the Globe

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/05/17/beckett_to_miss_his_turn/

Quote
J.D. Drew was held out of the starting lineup after running into the wall in right field while trying to catch Brandon Inge's home run Tuesday. Though Drew wasn't in the clubhouse during the media access period, Francona said he thought his right fielder was sore, but nothing more. "He checked in this morning and said he was doing pretty well, which was good news because I kind of thought he would wake up feeling like he got hit by a wall," Francona said. "Then he got to the ballpark and he said, 'I don't feel any worse now than I did when I left the game.' I think that's encouraging." It's likely Drew will be held out of the first game against Maroth, a lefty


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 17, 2007, 09:40:00 AM
"Have a nice break, J.D.  We'll see you July 4th."


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 09:45:35 AM
he smacked the wall pretty hard, not sure what the big deal is about sitting him, particularly against a LH.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 17, 2007, 09:55:56 AM
Well with Beckett missing a start and Drew down we are all free to mention injuries and being " a player down" in every post if wanted.

Yippie !!!!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:00:55 AM
Don't forget Timlin.....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 10:04:26 AM
Yes there are some chinks, that may become big chunks in the armor.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:07:19 AM
I'm not that worried.  There is talk that Beckett may start Monday against the Yanks


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 10:08:05 AM
he smacked the wall pretty hard, not sure what the big deal is about sitting him, particularly against a LH.


He's J. D. Drew.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 10:08:52 AM
Funny, from your picture, you look worried


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 10:09:14 AM
Quote
we are all free to mention injuries and being " a player down" in every post if wanted.

true, but we can't play the jet-lag card.

Although Dice-k or Okajima may with justification, use the "bad sushi" excuse.

edit: now that I think about it, Dice-K and Oki both suffered from early season jet-lag. No question about it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:09:18 AM
Francona said Drew would be available to pinch hit last night so it can't be all that serious


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 17, 2007, 10:09:44 AM
Any chance of getting ngc to post over here?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:10:12 AM
Funny, from your picture, you look worried

That's my expression from checking out your picture


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:10:30 AM
Any chance of getting ngc to post over here?

I'm fairly sure this is a safe haven


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 10:10:47 AM
They are eye openers aren't they?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:12:52 AM
Its amazing what a great pair of tits will do to a guy


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 10:14:46 AM
They are eye openers aren't they?
Certainly go a long way towards explaining why liq is suddenly a "Hero Member" as well.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 10:15:30 AM
have you guys ascertained which team ngc is a fan of?

I'm pretty sure any team with "red" in its name is out, maybe blue too.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:18:05 AM
"White" might be the ticket....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 10:21:23 AM
Hero Member!!!

is that where the title scale tops out at?

or is there a super-hero possibility out there?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:39:37 AM
Currently, but I can add more groups


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 10:43:23 AM
liq -

Oh, definitely add more.  I think somehow, somewhere along the line, the top should be "Life Wasting Jerk-Off."


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 10:44:26 AM
I was thinking that could be NGC's permanent one


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
liq-I agree with boz, add more titles, I need incentives to post, either that or I'll have get more engaged in the political forums.   

btw, have you "liberals" or "semi-liberals" who actively post on the political forums found any common ground with ngc?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 11:19:00 AM
Any suggestions beyond 'life wasting jack-off'?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 11:27:19 AM
absolutely,

403-to 499: Eunuch in Exile*

500-999: Hero Member

1000-4,999 Robin, the boy wonder

5000-9,999 Wonder Woman

10,000-14,999  Silver Surfer

15,000-19,999: Bat Man

20,000+ Wilt Chamberlain

* just foolin' around boz.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 17, 2007, 11:50:14 AM
At some post level, you have to be identified as Ron Jeremy's Member


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 17, 2007, 12:34:59 PM
liq -

Oh, definitely add more.  I think somehow, somewhere along the line, the top should be "Life Wasting Jerk-Off."


Sooner or later, most likely sooner, we're all gonna get that title.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 17, 2007, 12:52:01 PM
Its amazing what a great pair of tits will do to a guy

That what it is?

Looked like a derriere to me


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 12:57:10 PM
Once again you show that you can't tell an ass from your face


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 17, 2007, 01:03:36 PM
Trish's face was my next guess

To each his own, but you can keep those masses

Ay caramba


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 01:09:06 PM
Once again you show that you can't tell an ass from your face
He's improving.  Usually its the differentiation with a hole in the ground that troubles him.

I have been a Red Sox fan these last few days.  Will you all PLEASE start putting some runs on the board?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 01:21:20 PM
Quote
403-to 499: Eunuch in Exile*
And when you get there?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 01:22:40 PM
Quote
btw, have you "liberals" or "semi-liberals" who actively post on the political forums found any common ground with ngc?
He believes in the public ownership of the means of production, though he is a little blind as to what that actually means.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 01:30:00 PM
I can create member groups, maybe I should create one called liberals and put everyone in it except ngc.  I'll put him in the comrade member group


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 01:39:25 PM
Quote
btw, have you "liberals" or "semi-liberals" who actively post on the political forums found any common ground with ngc?
He believes in the public ownership of the means of production, though he is a little blind as to what that actually means.

I wonder if he knows that at least one of the contrarian scientists that he is basing his assertion that global warming is not at all caused by man-made greenhouse gases is a diehard socialist.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 01:40:29 PM
I don't feel too comfortable with only a couple runs and Tavarez on the mound.  But he does seem to pitch a heck of a lot better when I'm not at the park.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 02:02:04 PM
I was going to note on GG&HF that one problem, fantasy wise, with the Mel's team is that every so often, the Indians play Santana... And then.. Victor!  Gark!

Great pticher's duel so far.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 02:03:15 PM
Tavarez in a little trouble


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 02:03:33 PM
Thank you Granderson


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 02:09:19 PM
Fausto Carmona's at 102 pitches through 8.   I could use the complete game....

When do we play Boston?  I want to see how the kid does against Papi, after the way he so spectacularly spit the bit as closer last year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 17, 2007, 02:29:40 PM
Gee I wonder why JD isn't playing today?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 02:31:20 PM
I guess Chapter 3 has been written.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 02:44:21 PM
Quote
403-to 499: Eunuch in Exile*
And when you get there?
I 'm pretty sure I won't post that often, but if I do, I keep a spare can of balls in the car.

edit:
Quote
When do we play Boston?

boz is there more than 1 Tribe fans here?

I think "we" play Boston 5/28-5/30 in Boston.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 02:45:26 PM
Now, if you all can just take down Detroit for me, Cleveland will be back in first.

We are now 9-2 against Minnesota and Chicago, including taking Cy Santana down twice.  And I think Carmona can give up that apartment in Buffalo.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 17, 2007, 02:54:04 PM
We're going to DTW this weekend to see Cards/Tigers. I'll bring my lucky pencil.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 02:56:57 PM
Man this is a nailbiter


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 03:02:11 PM
Oki!

you watching, listening or gamecasting?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 03:05:39 PM
Gamecasting


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 03:08:21 PM
me too,

is that boz' favorite guy coming in to face Manny?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 03:09:38 PM
me too,

is that boz' favorite guy coming in to face Manny?
Pound that Useless Pile of Horse Excrement.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 03:12:04 PM
We're going to DTW this weekend to see Cards/Tigers. I'll bring my lucky pencil.
You have to go to either the Pegasus Cafe or the New Hellas on Monroe in Greektown at least once.  Get the saganaki, if only for the show.  And stop off in one of the bakeries for galata...  phoenetic...  Galatabutiko and trigino.  Provided you do not mind weighing significantly more on the flight back.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 03:17:33 PM
me too,

is that boz' favorite guy coming in to face Manny?
Pound that Useless Pile of Horse Excrement.

That sounds dirty....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 17, 2007, 03:19:20 PM
The food outing is going to involve Zingerman's in Ann Arbor.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 03:20:57 PM
Looks like we have a decent shot to pickup up another game on the Yanks


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 17, 2007, 03:21:12 PM
You know who's not a good team?  THe Yankees, that's who.  Just thought I clear that up.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 03:24:33 PM
Just wait until they are firing on all cylinders.....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 17, 2007, 03:24:46 PM
who would have thought oki and paps would have been the only two relievers in this game?

great job by tavarez today.  looking good for the double header sweep.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 03:27:18 PM
Oki and Paps, damn.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 03:28:49 PM
The food outing is going to involve Zingerman's in Ann Arbor.
No, look, you can walk to Greektown from the ball park.  Trust me on this.  It's the best place to eat in the area.

Plus...  Ann Arbor?  You had a daughter who went to MSU and you are going to ANN ARBOR?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 03:32:52 PM
Quote
The food outing is going to involve Zingerman's in Ann Arbor.


is that "cutting edge" deli-IIRC there was an article in the NYT very recently about that place and the guys who founded it. 
 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 17, 2007, 03:37:16 PM
The food outing is going to involve Zingerman's in Ann Arbor.
No, look, you can walk to Greektown from the ball park.  Trust me on this.  It's the best place to eat in the area.

Plus...  Ann Arbor?  You had a daughter who went to MSU and you are going to ANN ARBOR?

Just got word, we will go to Greektown after Sat night's game. Will I be safe in my Albert Pujols road jersay?

Sunday morning we will go to zingerman's. Michigan wildllower honey, Yumyumyum.

She only was a spartie for a year, then on to Mizzou and UMSL. Now's she's a law student at SLU.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 03:42:46 PM
I love good deli. Can you get "real" New York rye in Detroit or do they serve the pastrami and corn beef on Wonderbread?

And can you get a sour garlic pickle. Batampte !!!!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 03:45:34 PM
The food outing is going to involve Zingerman's in Ann Arbor.
No, look, you can walk to Greektown from the ball park.  Trust me on this.  It's the best place to eat in the area.

Plus...  Ann Arbor?  You had a daughter who went to MSU and you are going to ANN ARBOR?

Just got word, we will go to Greektown after Sat night's game. Will I be safe in my Albert Pujols road jersay?

Sunday morning we will go to zingerman's. Michigan wildllower honey, Yumyumyum.

She only was a spartie for a year, then on to Mizzou and UMSL. Now's she's a law student at SLU.
Well, as safe as you are likely to be in the city of Detroit, generally.  

The Pegasus used to have an absolutely magnificent Sunday brunch, but it is in fairly close proximity to the Casino, and they got disgusted at the way casino people treated their food.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 03:46:18 PM
Quote
or do they serve the pastrami and corn beef on Wonderbread?

it sounds like its served on pita bread.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 03:47:14 PM
Quote
or do they serve the pastrami and corn beef on Wonderbread?

it sounds like its served on pita bread.

Oh OK. A "gourmetsky" deli


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 03:47:18 PM
Looks like its business as usual for the Yankees today


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 17, 2007, 04:17:18 PM
Quote
You have to go to either the Pegasus Cafe or the New Hellas on Monroe in Greektown at least once.  Get the saganaki, if only for the show.  And stop off in one of the bakeries for galata...  phoenetic...  Galatabutiko and trigino.  Provided you do not mind weighing significantly more on the flight back.

Whisk, I am now officially in your debt. I will be there after july 4. And it is amazing to see you be a Sox fan for a couple of days.

If I could, i would kiss that ugly mug Julian calls a face. What an outing.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 04:17:54 PM
big comeback win for the Mets- 5 in the 9th, peaking just in time for the week-end subway series.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 04:41:03 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:wgiaN6ydRPqzWM:http://germes-online.com/direct/dbimage/50106858/Wooden_Train.jpg)
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:4ZcGhby07D60mM:http://www.logoshak.com/~asgsport/images3/MrMet.gif)
LETS GO METS-KEEP NYC CLEAN-SWEEP THIS WEEK-END


Title: Re: American League
Post by: Kam on May 17, 2007, 04:44:31 PM
I hate this interleague play every year.  Can't we make it every two years like the Olympics (Winter/Summer).  So next year in my plan, the Yanks don't play the Mets, but the year after play in Shea, and two years after that they meet again in Yankee stadium.  Every four years, a Yankee fan should be able to go to a home game and see the METS, and vice-versa.  Having a series, actually two series, every year is robbing the juice out of the matchup.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: 26 on May 17, 2007, 04:56:38 PM
Looks like its business as usual for the Yankees today

Here I am for my monthly visit.  Trying to end the addiction and there's nothing positive to write about anyway.  Yeah, if there is a more sorry team out there than the Yankees right now, I haven't seen it.  No emotion whatsoever.  Cannot sustain a rally for anything.  Out, hit, out, hit, out.  No runs.  Hit, out, out, walk, out.  No runs.  Hit, out, hit, DP.  No runs.  Pretty weak. 

I give them this next week, with the Mets followed by Boston and then the Halos, whom they never play well against.  They go 1-2 against each of those teams and it's fageddaboudit for 2007.  Six under .500 after 50 games?  The Sox look good for 95 wins, and the Central could produce at least three good teams if the Twins get off their butts. 

I knew some year would have to be the rebuild, but I did n't think it would be the hitting that needed replacement.  Damon is a shell right now, Abreu is worthless, ARod has become Mr. POWMOB again (pop-up-with-men-on-base.)  Cano and Melky are struggling.  Giambi and Matsui are rally-killers lately. 

Clemens will be a waste of money for an 87 win team.   I never wanted to see Joe go in any way other than a nice retirement after a playoff series, but if George wants to salvage THIS year, I'm afraid he has to fire Joe as early as after the Anaheim series. 

Now watch them win 8 out of 10...........................


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 17, 2007, 05:00:47 PM
Now I have to undo the reverse mojo bb brings.

I think the Y's will win 8 of 10


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 05:01:25 PM
FFF is just a little testy right now


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 17, 2007, 06:24:54 PM
I am surprised that bankshot passed on an opportunity

http://www.sewterific.com/images/12%20MB%20Days%20of%20Christmas/9Ladies.jpg


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 07:03:17 PM
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:qhWvjAUhIRgioM:http://www.boston.com/sports/redsox/williams/photos/wallpaper/ted_retires_1024x768.jpg)

ST-I was going to use something like this.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 07:19:28 PM
Schilling in some early trouble


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 07:22:37 PM
Whew!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 17, 2007, 08:10:18 PM
Schilling is not looking to good today


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 17, 2007, 10:18:10 PM
Sweep!  Thanks!

You can start sucking now.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 10:28:32 PM
that may have been one of the fugliest "quality" starts ever.

fun game though

boz-it seems sucking may not be on the menu at Fenway this year. These guys are pretty good.

edit: Beckett to DL, expected to miss 2 starts. Hansack starts manana against "our" tradtional rivals.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 17, 2007, 10:35:58 PM
Any plumbers out there?

In my house 6 years now, no idea how to find the shutoff valve for the outside water (doh!)

Have my sprinkler system in a tandem type faucet setup with the hosereel.

So I put the sprinklers on the other day, but cannot get them shut off.  Like I said - a basic faucet usually controls them fine.

So IDIOT homeowner breaks off the needing replacement anyway knob - now down to a stump of a shaft, whatever .......... figure I can just turn that with a vicegrip or similar.....

But no luck.

So........................

Sprinkler heads leaking for 2 days now, unless I shut the entire house off to water............ not leaking too bad, but also noisy within the house.  Have no clue if there is a shutoff i or if the FAUCET is the actual shutoff.

Obviously replacing the oldish faucets entirely is the ticket - but am I missing anything?

a)  I still wonder if there is a shutoff somewhere, where I could just leave the sprinklers off, rest of house on, buying me time

b)  I foresee replacing the faucets - may as well do both - and the water still not shutting off.

Any help appreciated greatly

Johnny Itwaheasierrenting Jones


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 17, 2007, 10:42:44 PM
kid shut off valves are usually just "inside" the house from the outside valves. so go to the approximate inside spot from where the outside valves are, hunt around and you should find them.

good luck,
Mr Goodwrench


Title: Re: American League
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 18, 2007, 12:00:23 AM
Kid gets his wish, D. Hansack in the sox rotation.  Although it comes at the expense of Beckett instead of Tavarez.

Great sweep of the double header.

SOX ON A ROLL!!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 12:47:27 AM
Bonds looked pretty ordinary. Oswalt flirted with a no-hitter. Astros make an error on a dp ball and lose the game.

was a pleasure to see the Sox put up those late runs and sweep the dh from Detroit, a hot team until today. I am liking the Eric Hinske era.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 07:12:32 AM
(http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:DdL8FfMiApwDeM:http://services.bostonglobe.com/mas_assets/full/PINSOCKS.jpg)

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that was one helluva great catch by Hinske and a timely AB too.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 08:52:05 AM
Hinske was great last night, won the game practically singlehandedly.  And Pena actually walked three times - must be a record.

Beckett headed to the DL though


Title: Yankees' Farnsworth criticizes clause in Clemens' contract
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 08:58:23 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylt=Al9tmHhHL_hWE9.kR2ibYcoRvLYF?slug=ap-yankees-farnsworth&prov=ap&type=lgns


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 18, 2007, 09:53:26 AM
I think Farnsworth has a valid point. I think 99% of baseball players feel the same way.






Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 10:16:42 AM
Well, I just got back from my standing room spot in the RF roof deck "Budweiser Pavillion," officially 9.3 miles from home plate. One of my companions told me he thought the $30 standing room tickets were a bit pricey, until I told him a seat would have cost him a hundred bucks.

In 6 innings, Schilling allowed only 2 runs while giving up 7 doubles, a home run, 4 walks, and an HBP. That, my friends, is very difficult to do. I guess the key is to avoid allowing singles.

The Sox' bullpen performance so far this season has been other-worldly. Unless I'm mistaken, Papelbon's blown save is the only game in which the pen has hurt them in the slightest. The few subpar performances we've seen have come in situations where they really didn't matter.

And Tavarez has done some fine work, none better than yesterday. He was dealing.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 10:20:46 AM
Quote
In 6 innings, Schilling allowed only 2 runs while giving up 7 doubles, a home run, 4 walks, and an HBP. That, my friends, is very difficult to do. I guess the key is to avoid allowing singles.

well put-that was about the strangest "quality start" I've seen.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 10:24:08 AM
Okajima for MVP


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 10:25:58 AM
there was a quote in today's Globe where Sheffy did some serious Oki ball-washing.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 10:31:19 AM
With the way these teams are playing, I wouldn't be surprised to see the D-Rays in  second place after this weekend.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 10:39:25 AM
I know that it is way too early in the season, but its really too bad that if this does end up being the season that the Yanks fail to win the division crown and possible even miss the playoffs that the Times closed the forums for it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 10:59:29 AM
Why? If the NYTimes were going, we'd have the same result we have now. Just the baseball fans who happen to like the Yankees with something to say. The other Y fans absent, with the exception of Trish who would proclaim her team the best if they went 1-161. Especially if the 1 was against the Sox.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 11:11:25 AM
Why? If the NYTimes were going, we'd have the same result we have now. Just the baseball fans who happen to like the Yankees with something to say. The other Y fans absent, with the exception of Trish who would proclaim her team the best if they went 1-161. Especially if the 1 was against the Sox.

The remarkable thing is, the NY Times is going. Can anybody explain to me why anybody still posts there? Ah, never mind. All but one of the people posting there are there because of that one, and that one is way beyond explanation.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 11:14:40 AM
seeing that the Ys have not won a WS since 2000, under what scenario, if any, might trish concede that the Ys were not the best team in baseball?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 11:16:27 AM
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Can anybody explain to me why anybody still posts there?

1-bad habits are hard to break

2-sometimes her idiocy screams for a rebuttal


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 11:17:48 AM
seeing that the Ys have not won a WS since 2000, under what scenario, if any, might trish concede that the Ys were not the best team in baseball?

Team plane crashes. No survivors.

For some reason I feel compelled to write that I am rooting hard against any such occurrence.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 11:19:49 AM
2-sometimes her idiocy screams for a rebuttal

Bingo.

I fight my posting muscles the way Dr. Strangelove fought his right arm, on a daily basis.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 11:22:53 AM
Quote
Team plane crashes. No survivors.

I'm not sure that would do it. I'm pretty sure trish feels that Scranton can kick the sox butts now.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 11:25:24 AM
Quote
I fight my posting muscles the way Dr. Strangelove


I'm sorry, really sorry, to say, sometimes a "mein Fuhrer" can be really cathartic.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 11:36:51 AM
Quote
seeing that the Ys have not won a WS since 2000, under what scenario, if any, might trish concede that the Ys were not the best team in baseball?

Well, actual results don't seem to matter. So, it's going to have to be some sequence of events that makes sense only to her.

My guess: Selig orders every team to fly to Japan to make up for the 2004 debacle. Even TBay goes. Thus jetlagged, the season progresses and the Yankees win ONLY day games after night games. They experience no injuries, no rainouts and Moose always pitches on the day he expects. Joe Girardi states clearly and on the record that the Yankees are not the best team in baseball.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 11:41:08 AM
[Joe Girardi states clearly and on the record that the Yankees are not the best team in baseball.

What does Damon say?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 11:42:56 AM
I think you're on the right track, and that might be enough to get Michael Kay to concede, but I'm not sure if that's enough to get more than a YAWN out of her.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 11:48:28 AM
Everyone knows its the hottest team in baseball that wins the World Series - not the best.  Unless its the Yanks


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 18, 2007, 11:59:51 AM
Quote
CLEVELAND (AP) -- Fausto Carmona's sinker dropped, it dipped, it dived, and it devastated the Minnesota Twins.

"It's not normal," Torii Hunter said of Carmona's go-to pitch. "He's not even human. It was so scary, I thought I was hung over."

Throwing sinkers and almost nothing but sinkers, Carmona pitched a four-hitter for his first career shutout and beat Johan Santana for the second time in less than a month as the Cleveland Indians defeated the Twins 2-0 to finish off a three-game sweep.

Carmona (5-1) dominated from start to finish with a 121-pitch performance that was still being discussed across the clubhouse dining tables as the Twins dug into their postgame buffet.

"That dude is filthy," Hunter said. "We've been struggling, but even if we had been playing good, we wouldn't have beaten him. If you've never played the game, listen to me, I'm a hitter. Right-handers have no chance unless they get lucky and get a hit on a broken bat."
One good month from Fausto.  Hope he can keep it up.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 18, 2007, 12:00:37 PM
Any plumbers out there?

In my house 6 years now, no idea how to find the shutoff valve for the outside water (doh!)

Have my sprinkler system in a tandem type faucet setup with the hosereel.

So I put the sprinklers on the other day, but cannot get them shut off.  Like I said - a basic faucet usually controls them fine.

So IDIOT homeowner breaks off the needing replacement anyway knob - now down to a stump of a shaft, whatever .......... figure I can just turn that with a vicegrip or similar.....

But no luck.

So........................

Sprinkler heads leaking for 2 days now, unless I shut the entire house off to water............ not leaking too bad, but also noisy within the house.  Have no clue if there is a shutoff i or if the FAUCET is the actual shutoff.

Obviously replacing the oldish faucets entirely is the ticket - but am I missing anything?

a)  I still wonder if there is a shutoff somewhere, where I could just leave the sprinklers off, rest of house on, buying me time

b)  I foresee replacing the faucets - may as well do both - and the water still not shutting off.

Any help appreciated greatly

Johnny Itwaheasierrenting Jones

Mfenwick says, so your question is how to build an ark?

He says go in the basement and follow the pipes. The ones that go outside are the outside faucets and sprinkler system. There should be a shut off valve on the inside for all of these. Depending on how old the house is, this may not be true.

There's a pipe coming into the house that is the main water line. You should be able to discern what it is.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 12:17:22 PM
I was wondering how kid made out with his sprinklers

in any case, speaking of water

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Treasure-Ship.html?hp

I lost some loose change at the beach on several occassions, I wonder if...


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 12:26:15 PM
Quote
It's not normal," Torii Hunter said of Carmona's go-to pitch. "He's not even human.


hmm, last year he was all-too human.

Has he become posessed?

What diabolical deal, what (the word/phrase escape me) bargain has young Carmona struck?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 12:55:58 PM
Think the Sox made a good call with Beckett - very conservative with the big lead. Kind of looking forward to seeing what Hansack can do. Also think they made the right call with Drew, even though he was anxious to come back to refute kathie's criticism. Hinske did all right in there.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 12:56:59 PM
I kind of would have liked for Gabbard to get the call, he pitched pretty well for us last season


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 01:04:07 PM
I kind of would have liked for Gabbard to get the call, he pitched pretty well for us last season

I think we're going to see Gabbard on Sunday, aren't we?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 01:05:27 PM
Are we?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 01:10:10 PM
I'm pretty sure that's what was being put forth last night as the most likely scenario, with Wakefield dropping back a day to Monday.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 18, 2007, 01:11:09 PM
Quote
It's not normal," Torii Hunter said of Carmona's go-to pitch. "He's not even human.


hmm, last year he was all-too human.

Has he become posessed?

What diabolical deal, what (the word/phrase escape me) bargain has young Carmona struck?
Actually, he wasn't that bad except when they tried to make a closer out of him.  His pitches tend to straighten out when he tries to overthrow.  


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 01:14:32 PM
Quote
he wasn't that bad except when they tried to make a closer out of him.

 
I really only remember that Ortiz (?) banged him around a couple of times, over the course of a few games last year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 01:16:03 PM
Ah, I get it. The rainout messed with Tavares' rest.

Aren't we concerned that Wake might be too strong on Monday?????


Title: Re: American League
Post by: 26 on May 18, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
I think you're on the right track, and that might be enough to get Michael Kay to concede, but I'm not sure if that's enough to get more than a YAWN out of her.

Better watch out.  Someone will tell her she's being discussed over here and she'll come on to defend herself blaming you for making her come up here.  Then you're back to where the other forum was.  

Probably this has been discussed, but the Yankees are oh-for-Friday this season.  After a routine loss to Baltimore, they had three fall-from-ahead losses to Oakland and Boston (2), followed by a fall-from-ahead loss to Seattle after scoring 5 in the first.  Last week, a quiet 3-0 loss to Seattle.  Tonight we have the Mets, with a lefty starter, at Shea.  Any bets the streak continues?  

They are also 1-5 on Sundays, which means they have lost every weekend series this year except one (which wound up a four-game split).  Oddly, they are 5-1 on Saturday.  So the pattern is they get bounced in the first game, suck it up and win the next and then cannot sustain the momentum.

Probably the only way I know this is we go out for Mexican food and Margaritas on Friday night and I listen to XM on the way home.  In almost every case where the game is being played in early evening (not WC time), as I leave the place, the Yanks are nicely ahead, and by the time I reach the house, they are losing.  That's only a 15-minute ride. so it happens fast.

Maybe I need to stop drinking that Margarita?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 18, 2007, 01:18:12 PM
Quote
he wasn't that bad except when they tried to make a closer out of him.

 
I really only remember that Ortiz (?) banged him around a couple of times, over the course of a few games last year.
Yep.  I know we play Boston at the end of the month; I'll be curious to see what happens.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 01:18:19 PM
The Braves are too good a team to be starting two AAA pitchers against them


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 18, 2007, 01:19:53 PM
Any plumbers out there?

In my house 6 years now, no idea how to find the shutoff valve for the outside water (doh!)

Have my sprinkler system in a tandem type faucet setup with the hosereel.

So I put the sprinklers on the other day, but cannot get them shut off.  Like I said - a basic faucet usually controls them fine.

So IDIOT homeowner breaks off the needing replacement anyway knob - now down to a stump of a shaft, whatever .......... figure I can just turn that with a vicegrip or similar.....

But no luck.

So........................

Sprinkler heads leaking for 2 days now, unless I shut the entire house off to water............ not leaking too bad, but also noisy within the house.  Have no clue if there is a shutoff i or if the FAUCET is the actual shutoff.

Obviously replacing the oldish faucets entirely is the ticket - but am I missing anything?

a)  I still wonder if there is a shutoff somewhere, where I could just leave the sprinklers off, rest of house on, buying me time

b)  I foresee replacing the faucets - may as well do both - and the water still not shutting off.

Any help appreciated greatly

Johnny Itwaheasierrenting Jones

Mfenwick says, so your question is how to build an ark?

He says go in the basement and follow the pipes. The ones that go outside are the outside faucets and sprinkler system. There should be a shut off valve on the inside for all of these. Depending on how old the house is, this may not be true.

There's a pipe coming into the house that is the main water line. You should be able to discern what it is.

Tell mfenwick thank, but I did get out of the second grade many years ago - lol

Maybe the shutoff's behind a wall or ceiling, who knows?

Still adrip (like the Yanks)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 01:20:23 PM
I'm kind of surprised Snyder isn't getting a go -- I kind of thought he would be our spot starter with Tavarez in the rotation


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 01:22:42 PM
Yep.  I know we play Boston at the end of the month; I'll be curious to see what happens.

That's the spirit. I think "curiosity" is the missing ingredient in the success formulas of a lot of teams and fans. Hell, if the Yanks could just play with curiosity, they'd be 9 in front instead of 9 behind.

I'll be curious too, but I'll also be foaming at the mouth and swearing frequently.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 01:24:44 PM
I'm kind of surprised Snyder isn't getting a go -- I kind of thought he would be our spot starter with Tavarez in the rotation

I kind of thought he would too (tonight), but he pitched Tuesday. That wouldn't keep him from starting on Sunday, but Francona said he likes Snyder in the bullpen and is trying to avoid switching guys' roles.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 18, 2007, 01:25:53 PM

Tell mfenwick thank, but I did get out of the second grade many years ago - lol

Maybe the shutoff's behind a wall or ceiling, who knows?

Still adrip (like the Yanks)
[/quote]

So you can't tell from following the pipes in the basement?

He just ran out to pick up lunch, but I know he could probably figure it out. He can fix anything.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 18, 2007, 01:27:04 PM
I'm kind of surprised Snyder isn't getting a go -- I kind of thought he would be our spot starter with Tavarez in the rotation

You do recall Hansack's no hitter last year, right?

K/BB this year is 37-9 at AAA

245-89 as a pro.  Very solid international experience.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 18, 2007, 01:32:08 PM

Tell mfenwick thank, but I did get out of the second grade many years ago - lol

Maybe the shutoff's behind a wall or ceiling, who knows?

Still adrip (like the Yanks)

So you can't tell from following the pipes in the basement?

He just ran out to pick up lunch, but I know he could probably figure it out. He can fix anything.
[/quote]

Don't get the wrong idea from my last post.  I surely appreciate any input, especially from someone who knows what they're doing.

Can he hop a plane tonight?  :)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 01:34:06 PM
Quote
Maybe I need to stop drinking that Margarita?

I advise against this. In fact, add a second.

Hansack's no hitter was a game shortened to 5 innings. I'd be happy if he does well tonight, but I don't expect it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 01:39:15 PM
there really is no good reason to stop drinking Margharitas. None.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 18, 2007, 01:39:22 PM
I don't expect them to play tonight. It's, like, wicked wet up heah.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 01:42:22 PM
Quote
I surely appreciate any input, especially from someone who knows what they're doing.

to borrow a phrase from Jackie Mason, "so what I am chopped liver?"

edit: a Bloody Mary is the way to go with chopped liver


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 18, 2007, 01:47:52 PM

[/quote]

Don't get the wrong idea from my last post.  I surely appreciate any input, especially from someone who knows what they're doing.

Can he hop a plane tonight?  :)
[/quote]

No, sorry, we're going to DTW tomorrow to catch a couple of ball games.

Do you want him to call you?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 18, 2007, 01:58:16 PM
Apropos nothing:

"Once a plumber's daughter, always a plumber's daughter."

- Clark Gable, It Happened One Night


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 18, 2007, 05:51:06 PM
The yanks need to win 2 of 3 in the Mets series or they are toast going in against the Beaneaters. And if they go 2-4 or less in these two series, then Torre will be gone---and Cashman's neck will be in the noose.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 05:58:48 PM
Quote
And if they go 2-4 or less in these two series, then Torre will be gone---and Cashman's neck will be in the noose.

and he'll be weighted down by a $28MM anchor, when the trap door opens.


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Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 18, 2007, 06:18:57 PM
Quote
And if they go 2-4 or less in these two series, then Torre will be gone---and Cashman's neck will be in the noose.

and he'll be weighted down by a $28MM anchor, when the trap door opens.


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A virtual "hi-tech lynching".


Title: You want 10, I'll give you 10
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 09:36:00 PM
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edit: post #250, a Senior Member, seems like a happy coincidence


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 10:06:29 PM
Double digit lead in May!

Really the only disturbing thing this baseball season has been rml's last post.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 18, 2007, 10:21:35 PM
pk-I'm not proud of myself, but I think you knew it was something I had to do.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 18, 2007, 10:25:38 PM
Hmmm, Ron Jeremy looks a bit like Johnny Damon.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 19, 2007, 01:34:12 AM
now here is a real ten

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Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 19, 2007, 06:00:42 AM
Now we're talkin' 10


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 19, 2007, 08:43:34 AM
I was remiss this week to not note with sadness the passing of the great Gomer Hodge, of Lou Gehrig Disease last week.  Gomer Hodge deserves to live in baseball immortality for one of the great baseball quotes ever.  When he started a season off 4 for 4, he told the assembled reporters, "Hey, I'm batting 4.000!"


Title: Re: American League
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 19, 2007, 10:40:12 AM
things just keep getting better for the yanks.

Giambi may have talked himself into a 50 game ban.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05192007/sports/yankees/uneasy_roider__yankees_george_king.htm


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 19, 2007, 10:44:52 AM
Actually, if they can get out of that contract that goes through 2008, it would be a HUGE break for them.

Hey mlb - he never said steroids, he said "stuff." That could mean anything. Let Jason play!


Title: Re: A once proud Franchise
Post by: bankshot1 on May 19, 2007, 10:52:04 AM
Selena Roberts has a good article in today's NYT linking all steroid hypocrisy that Ys were involved in over the years.

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It is not too far-fetched to suggest that the Yankees Empire during the steroid era was simply a sand castle that will not hold up as more dish on dope is spilled.

http://select.nytimes.com/2007/05/19/sports/baseball/19roberts.html?ref=sports

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The Mets may very well end up as a ground zero, as baseball’s Pez dispenser of steroids, once federal investigators and the drug sleuth George J. Mitchell are finished divulging the secrets to baseball’s millennium high.

But the Yankees have far more to lose than the Mets. Pinstripe folk tales are at risk here. In essence, Jason Grimsley is the Yankees’ Radomski. Within six degrees of Grimsley, proud Yankee for the 1999 and 2000 World Series seasons, and later a busted consumer of human growth hormone, there is Roger Clemens and Andy Pettitte — heroes of a Yankees past and retread saviors of their present.

Under interrogation, Grimsley fingered his former teammates as users of performance-enhancing drugs, including Pettitte and Clemens, according to a Los Angeles Times report last fall. The Times’s disclosure was labeled inaccurate by the United States Attorney’s office, but the authorities did not detail what information was in dispute.

The Yankees either dismissed the report or ignored the red flags when they signed Pettitte in the off-season, then recently agreed to pay Clemens $4.5 million a month to be an office temp.

Quite a dubious bridge the Yankees have built between the Grimsley days and Giambi’s more recent catharsis. “I was wrong for doing that stuff,” Giambi told USA Today.

Who knew what Giambi was into in 2002? Who didn’t see his outsized body?



As more evidence rolls in, the Yankees appear to have been so desperate to perpetuate their winning vibe of the late ’90s that they signed Giambi to a seven-year, $120 million deal and agreed to remove all references to steroids from his contract.

Maybe Yankees officials rationalized their purchase this way: Giambi can give us a few good years and a couple of World Series before his body deteriorates the same way McGwire’s did at the end of his career.

The Yankees would discount this theory. General Manager Brian Cashman would not comment on Giambi’s specific remarks about the use of steroids. But Cashman did recoil when Giambi, in USA Today, said Major League Baseball owed fans an apology for allowing the steroid era to taint the books.

“There’s an implication that there are a lot of people involved who knew what was going on,” Cashman said. “And I can tell you that’s false. We’ve spoken to that in the past. I mean I do have a problem with that without a doubt. I can tell you, and I can speak from being right there, too, that whatever goes on individually with these guys you know is really on them.”

Sounds like strategic naïveté considering the Yankees’ concentric circles of Grimsley and Balco, considering the tentacles that reach from past players like Gary Sheffield to current stars like Giambi and Pettitte, with Clemens on the way.



Hey when's Rocket coming back?

anyone ever wonder why a 36-year old catcher is now having career seasons?

just a thought.

like I've been saying for years, "...a once proud franchise"


edit: just checked over at the asylum, seems someone has decide to take her "ignore" meds and post away blissfully by herself.

liq is now the flavor of the month (congrats liq), well at least untill he says something that upsets the nut-jobs's equilibrium.


edit: for link & additional quote



Title: Re: American League
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 19, 2007, 01:42:08 PM
Actually, if they can get out of that contract that goes through 2008, it would be a HUGE break for them.

Hey mlb - he never said steroids, he said "stuff." That could mean anything. Let Jason play!

lets just hope its a fifty game ban for this year, and they have to eat the remainder of his contract.  ;)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 19, 2007, 01:45:22 PM
sox showing some pop this afternoon.

(http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A9ibyGVnN09G6LgAJkKjzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTA4NDgyNWN0BHNlYwNwcm9m/SIG=12i3i2rrp/EXP=1179683047/**http%3A//d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20070513/i/r127146178.jpg)

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Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 19, 2007, 03:18:17 PM
Wow, just got in and saw the score. It seems the sox are squeeking by another injury-plagued crappy team.

hard to really watch on Gamecast but Coco's 11-pitch AB/double was just a great AB.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 19, 2007, 03:22:33 PM
Maybe when it gets to 10.5 we can say goodbye to Ron and concentrate on Bo


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 19, 2007, 03:41:09 PM
pk-while its 12-3, I'm superstitious, so when the game is over, I'll lose RJ-the Real Big Unit avatar, (i'm keeping the phallic dancing posted one though, I think that one is funny), and depending on what happens in NYC today, I'll probably retire the bit.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 19, 2007, 03:43:36 PM
I loved the bit. Maybe we can revive it when magic number time comes.

And I'm superstitious too, but this is a good RS team.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 19, 2007, 03:48:42 PM
contrary to a certain un-named insecure and totally cluless poster, this is a very good sox team

btw if the Ys manage to drop today's game, I may post one more themed avatar


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 19, 2007, 07:35:47 PM
Was that a stupid play by Wagner or what?

Fortunately Cano decided to sulk after a good pitch was called a strike, and Phelps is Phelps.

11


Title: Re: American League
Post by: grandmasterb067 on May 19, 2007, 09:25:17 PM
Hansack didn't pitch that badly.  however, j. pineiro SUCKS!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: lisa mariner on May 20, 2007, 03:38:46 AM
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however, j. pineiro SUCKS!
I coulda told ya that


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 20, 2007, 08:21:52 AM
kind of a yin-yang day in Boston yesterday,

didn't see much of game 2 turned in at 8-0, game over,

btw, what bet did Cashman lose with Satan?







Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:24:25 AM
That second game was pretty unwatchable -- though the outcome was pretty much expected. I'm not really looking forward to today's matchup but maybe Huddy will continue his lack of success against the Sox from his A days.

Frankly I really don't get why a knuckleballer can't work on short rest.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:27:12 AM
I really don't get Wags throw to home.  That was just plain idiotic -- what wa he trying to protect his ERA or something?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:34:10 AM
Can the Yanks void Giambi's contract if they removed the steroid language from it?  Or did they leave the 'stuff' language in?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 20, 2007, 10:07:28 AM
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I really don't get why a knuckleballer can't work on short rest.


if we're talking Wakes, he probably could, but IMO the sox would probably rather start Gabbard at home and Wakes in NYC.

Giambi: While rampant illegal drug usage is OK with Cashman and the Ys, it's not with MLB.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 20, 2007, 10:27:54 AM
I always wonder if there's a gentlemens' agreement among managers to split a DH. If they had matched up DiceK with Smoltz, you would have had two excellent games yesterday.

Piniero's lack of use makes him the man out when Lester gets called up. He should have mopped up in the first game and Snyder available to take over for Hansack. But Tito apparently doesn't trust him with a 10 run lead? Or maybe they want Snyder available for today.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 11:08:17 AM
I don't know if that first game would have been excellent, it probably would have been a slugfest.

I think the ship has sailed on Pinhead -- too bad the Sox signed him for too much moola to ship outright to another team


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 20, 2007, 11:24:29 AM
I'm not sure having Pineiro on the team is such a bad thing. At a minimum, they need somebody to eat up innings in ugly situations. And to be fair, although he was awful yesterday, he hasn't had much work.

I wonder whether Torre wouldn't just love to be fired today. He can't be enjoying this, and when it ends, he gets to go live in Hawaii. I'm sure Cashman isn't enjoying it either, and he might just as soon get out of the frying pan too, but the mess seems more like his fault than Joe's. He has more at stake in trying to bail out the sinking ship.

The highlight of the Yankee season will turn out to be the tiny tots who trotted out to the positions with the Tampa Yanks at the beginning of Clemens's first start the other night. I'm not one to get all gushy over little kids as a general rule, but they were adorable. Clemens is less adorable, and I'm thinking more and more that his upcoming tour of duty is going to be a symphony of sour notes.

No reason anyone should listen to me, but I'd like to urge my friends to desist from posting at the NYT forum. There are some genuinely deranged people over there. And the place is closed, for god's sake.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 20, 2007, 12:17:11 PM
All good points. I'm officially done there. Refer to my post of a couple of months ago for my goodbyes.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 20, 2007, 12:44:30 PM
I missed the Mets/Yanks game while flying home but what the heck is up with Cano? The nitwits on WFAN are ripping him pretty bad. He seems to have lost his stoke at the plate and has never been a real good defender. Do you think he may be a canidate for a trip to AAA ?

Nice "catch" by Johnny Demonic.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 20, 2007, 12:54:28 PM
I found this write up over at NYYFANS.COM on Cano and Torre. Looks like it's getting pretty bad in Yankeeville.

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I bet my friend that I could write a positive article on the Yanks.

No dice.

Not when Robinson Cano, he of the attention-deficit disorder, is seen laughing in the dugout before Saturday's game, a game that he is doing his best to screw up through stupidity.

From the start of the game, Cano was loafing on each play he was involved in, dropping balls, throwing in slow motion, jogging to first base on grounders, throwing balls into his foot...literally playing as if he was on whatever new recreational drug is in vogue these days.

No, I am not accusing Cano of being high; he just plays that way.

At best, Cano is immature. At worst, he is a horrible influence on the team and the other young players who see what he gets away with. It is beyond comprehension why Torre doesn't pull a Billy Martin and take Cano out of the game in front of everyone.

Anyone who did not see this game has no right to accuse me of hyperbole. Cano’s performance was the most despicable display I’ve ever witnessed. EVER.

Cano is not thinking when, after he stops a ground ball that can keep the game at 8-6 in the 8th, he rushes his throw and ends up throwing into his foot – because he doesn’t realize that it’s Julio Franco running and not Jose Reyes.

Isn’t it enough that The Yankees embarrass themselves now on a daily basis by losing? Do they have to embarrass themselves through lackadaisical and stupid play as well?

Yes, it’s easy to say that players do not look as if they are playing at 100% when they are not hitting, but I defy any of my readers to mention any player—at any time—who played with less zeal and intelligence than Robinson Cano. (The exception is Gary Sheffield, who admitted to making errors on purpose, and of course, the 1919 Chicago White Sox, some of whom threw the World Series.)

The fact that the Yanks made a valiant effort to get back into the game in the 8th and 9th makes the whole Cano affair that much more troublesome. If only they let Cairo take his 0-4, the Yanks might have won.

So, why does this happen? Yes, there is something within the soul of Robinson Cano that is rotten and fetid. The sooner he is gone the better.

But it is always up to the manager to take action when he sees that players are not “in the game.” It is the manager who allows this to happen. It is the manager who sets the tone.

As long as Torre says that his players are giving 100%, and he turns a blind eye to his players disrespecting him, the uniform, and the game, he is a fool.


Wow


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 20, 2007, 02:01:29 PM
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but I'd like to urge my friends to desist from posting at the NYT forum. There are some genuinely deranged people over there. And the place is closed, for god's sake.

wp-you sir are the voice of reason. I should listen to you, and I probably will, but sometimes I get the urge to challenge the idiocy and woefully poor sportsmanship that gets exhbited there.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 20, 2007, 06:17:30 PM
Nice performance by Gabbard.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 20, 2007, 07:42:23 PM
And except really for Papelbon, nice performance from the pen. Did he work himself into a save?

Sox keep winning series.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 20, 2007, 07:53:57 PM
I had tickets to tonites game and gave them my stepson's girlfriend and she said she heard Papelbon say he felt " too strong". Go figure?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 20, 2007, 08:25:39 PM
So, Lisa...  Excited about opening day tomorrow?

 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:20:26 PM
He didn't work himself into a save -- I don't think you really can.

Gabbard sent down to AAA, Delcarmen brought up.

Nice to know we have some depth for the rotation if we are to need it.

If Buchholz continues his dominance down below, I wonder if we'll get to see him before September.  Hard to justify it at this juncture but his numbers are flat out sick.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:21:32 PM
Donnelly has been ineffective these past couple outings -- hope its just a temporary situation.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 20, 2007, 09:24:33 PM
Do you feel better now ?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:25:50 PM
Better now?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:30:00 PM
Maine starting to fall apart


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 20, 2007, 09:31:05 PM
LOL


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 20, 2007, 09:41:22 PM
Clippard has been pretty impressive.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 20, 2007, 09:46:19 PM
White flag is up - Schoenweis


Title: Re: American League
Post by: lisa mariner on May 20, 2007, 09:58:09 PM
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So, Lisa...  Excited about opening day tomorrow?
:)
I am, not so sure about my team though ... who will stop in Cleveland on their way to TB.

I think I've already whined enough elsewhere ... but the M's are in the midst of playing 46 games in 48 days.

I am looking forward to the double header in September though (gotta remember to get tix!)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 21, 2007, 07:00:02 AM
It's all Grover's fault for having the umps stop the first game one pitch away from it's being official.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 08:40:07 AM
Wow! Check out the the ESPN SportsNation poll.  69% of participants picked the Yanks to miss the playoffs.  If you check the map there isn't one state in the union that has them going anywhere but golfing this October.

Even NY has 53% of voters picking against the team making the playoffs.

http://espn.go.com/


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 08:48:12 AM
2-of-3 from the Braves-works for me.

looks like the Ys bats are starting to wake up, hopefully Wakes can lull them back to sleep.

went with Soprano's/Entourage over subway series last night,

drama in NJ- Drama in Hollywood- drama in Queens

and the high drama of the AL East resumes tonite, it should be fun


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 10:02:45 AM
Should be fun tonite.  Trish is predicting a sweep

Yanks have the advantage of pitching matchups but with the way the Sox have been playing, I don't know if it matters.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 21, 2007, 10:12:09 AM
Baseball is a funny game. One loss here, one win there has a way of turning things around. Especially with these teams. We all know that the Red Sox can't continue playing .700 ball all season. And the Yankees are sure to turn things around to make it close in the end. That's the way it's supposed to be, and we are rarely disappointed.

I think the Yankees take 2 of 3. Enjoy it !


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 10:18:05 AM
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Trish is predicting a sweep


Wow! She has that little faith in the Ys?

I wouldn't be shocked with the Ys getting 2 of 3.

and ST is exactly right-if we were to extrapolate results to date-the Sox (.700) would win 113 games and finish 40 games ahead of the Ys (.452). and that ain't happenin'-


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 10:24:56 AM
If the Sox were to go .500 from this point on, they would still wind up with 90 wins.  If they go .550 for the rest of the stretch, they win 95 games.  If they go .600 for the rest of the season, they wind up with 101 wins. 

To get to 95 wins, the Yanks are going to have to play .633 ball from here on out.

To get to 100 wins, they will have to play .675 ball.

On the flip side, if the Yanks only play .550 ball the rest of the way, they end up with 85 wins.

Any way you slice it, the Yanks have a tough mountain to climb to get back in the race.




Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 21, 2007, 10:30:25 AM
Playing .663 isn't that impossible. Just winning each series with the opponent goes a long way to achieving that goal.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 10:37:10 AM
If the Sox were to go .500 from this point on, they would still wind up with 90 wins.  If they go .550 for the rest of the stretch, they win 95 games.  If they go .600 for the rest of the season, they wind up with 101 wins. 

To get to 95 wins, the Yanks are going to have to play .633 ball from here on out.

To get to 100 wins, they will have to play .675 ball.

On the flip side, if the Yanks only play .550 ball the rest of the way, they end up with 85 wins.

Any way you slice it, the Yanks have a tough mountain to climb to get back in the race.




all very true-
last year I remember posting sometime in June that the sox were on track to win 98 games, and they were-but they didn't-stuff happens


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 10:38:15 AM
The Yanks played .599 ball last season.  Have they improved markedly since then?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 21, 2007, 10:39:00 AM
The Yankees will be fine when they finally play a team that isn't better than them. Problem is, this year there aren't so many of those teams.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 10:46:11 AM
From "here on out" numbers are just that: numbers.   And to argue that "we did it two years ago" or "we did in '78" doesn't make much sense to me because they're different.  I think a realistic assesment of  THIS Yankee team PLUS their competition-which is more than just the Red Sox-shows that making the post-season this year is going to be close to impossible.  "Close" allows me the wiggle room because odd things, "miracle" comebacks etc. happen fairly frequently.  But I don't think this year.     


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 21, 2007, 10:55:12 AM
I think we need to stop thinking about the Yankees as our primary opponent, both in the division and the AL. Making the playoffs would be nice, but losing in the first round would simply suck. This RS team needs improvement in the pen and at the bottom of the order (Coco, sorry, I'm looking at you) if they are to contend for the AL pennant.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 10:58:47 AM
What I found amusing yesterday was listening to ESPN radio after the game and they spoke about the Red Sox's lead over the Orioles -- not the Yanks


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 10:59:53 AM
I think if Coco doesn't improve we are going to see him benched or shipped out in favor of  Ellsbury.  I definitely think Crisp is a goner next season. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 11:00:46 AM
I generally don't believe that any one loss hurts anymore than any other loss.  But the last losses of the Orioles the last two Sundays were absolute killers, especially as they seem to demonstate that Perlozzo can't do the one thing that a major league manager really needs to know-and that's when to pull or stay with a pitcher.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:01:47 AM
Cue Grady Little comparison....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:03:31 AM
The only thing that I can salvage out of the Crisp trade is that Marte has not proven he was worth the hype so far


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 11:06:58 AM
I don't think the Crisp trade, the Pena trade or the Lowell trade have worked out overwhelmingly in the Red Sox favor, nor has the Nixon for Drew "trade" (yet), but they seem to have done well in the rest of their decisions.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:08:57 AM
Well, I certainly would rather have Hanley Ramirez than Lugo right now.  But Lowell has been much better than the throwaway that we thought we were getting.  Beckett has had a remarkable turnaround this season -- I am certainly hopeful it will continue. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 11:10:11 AM
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the Lowell trade ?

that should be the Beckett and Lowell trade. That one has worked out more than ok.

the others not so much.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:10:39 AM
I do wonder if Theo had been the one making the decisions at that time if he would have made that trade


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 11:11:27 AM
Yeah the Lowell/Beckett deal is a close one.  It just seems that Han. Ramirez has a huge ceiling and that Sanchez is going to be a real good pitcher too.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:13:35 AM
Yeah, I was not terribly thrilled with the HanRam part of the trade.  He really has the tools to be a superstar and has been very successful in Florida.  To think we parted with him and didn't even have a SS signed  at the time for the major league squad


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 11:13:43 AM
But Beckett is 26 and has 20+wins/ CY stuff. He got crappy fingers though.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 11:14:54 AM
I'll revise and concede that the Red Sox are happy with the trade, but in the long run might be just as happy having Ramirez and Sanchez.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:15:33 AM
The trade that was really nonsensical was the Bard/Meredith trade just to get Mirabelli back. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 11:16:53 AM
That kind of struck me as a "panic deal"-the type the Yankees are accused of always thinking of making.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:17:12 AM
The issue for me that offseason was the feeling that one hand didn't know what the other was doing. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:18:44 AM
That kind of struck me as a "panic deal"-the type the Yankees are accused of always thinking of making.

Yeah it was pretty ridiculous when you consider how early in the season it happened. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:21:18 AM
The Pena deal certainly hasn't looked that great since it was made but I think it would have been a tough one to pass up.  Its obvious though that the Sox have no intention of giving him regular playing time, so I'm not so sure why we got him for our bench.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 11:21:38 AM
the Bard/Meredith/' deal made the sox look rash, but as I recall reading, Meredith has struggled this year, not sure about Bard, but the 2 guys we got back are doing ok this year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 11:26:06 AM
Arroyo's not great, but I think they could've gotten more for him than Pena, who more than any seemingly any other player in baseball, is a prime example of a guy who can ONLY hit a pitcher's mistake-which means he's good for a couple of taters this week against the Yankees.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:27:06 AM
It is tough though to see the revolving door at SS when we've seen two guys from our own system fare well elsewhere in Freddy Sanchez and HanRam.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:30:25 AM
Both Meredith and Bard are not having very good years this time around -- still I don't think Mirabelli was really worth as much as we gave up to get him.

I think Bard would have probably been fine given some more time -- though I'm sure the crowd would have cruxified him.  But considering that he didn't get much work with Wakes in ST, he really got a lot more guff than he should have.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 21, 2007, 11:30:47 AM
I don't think Freddy Sanchez is a major league shortstop.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:32:20 AM
At the very least, I think we should have given Kottaras a look since he caught Sparks before ponying up to bring Mirabelli back to a hero's welcome.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:33:26 AM
I don't think Freddy Sanchez is a major league shortstop.

He's not playing that position any longer but he has hit pretty well for the Bucs.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 11:33:50 AM
IMO Arroyo's ceiling (4-5) in the AL East was fairly judged and at the time of the trade the one commodity that it looked like the sox had in abundace was good young pitching. In hindsite maybe they could have gotten more, but given the Manny/Trot situations a powerhitting OF was needed, and hindsite is always 20/20.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:35:21 AM
The one issue I have with the Red Sox ownership is that they listen a little too much to what's said in the papers.  They are far and away better than the old Harrington/Duke regime but they really have to stop letting the media  help dictate their moves.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 11:38:19 AM
The one issue I have with the Red Sox ownership is that they listen a little too much to what's said in the papers.  They are far and away better than the old Harrington/Duke regime but they really have to stop letting the media  help dictate their moves.

what evidence do you have that the Herald, Globe or 'EEI is having undue influence on Sox decisions?





Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:39:18 AM
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what evidence do you have that the Herald, Globe or 'EEI is having undue influence on Sox decisions?

The Mirabelli trade II


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:43:08 AM
FTR, Meredith has had a couple bad outings but for the most part has been very good.  Bard not as much.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 21, 2007, 11:53:44 AM
I am great at evaluating a trade after the fact. Not so good before or during.

WMP needs development time. He's not going to get it with the Sox. Thus, the trade was a mistake even though i had given up on arroyo.

The Mirabelli trade helped us win 1 game. Would much rather have Bard, even though I personally saw him have 3 pb against Cleveland. I will admit to getting caught up in the moment on trade day.

The other trades i can live with. I'm still pissed at Sparky Lyle for Cater, though.

(and we should have never, never given up Murton.) (/tweaking forum host)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 11:57:19 AM
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The Mirabelli trade II

you think "Tony from East Boston" cooked that one up?

Bard couldn't catch Wakefield, and it impacted him, and they need a quick fix and SD made them pay up.

but all-in it hasn't been that bad, the sox got a back-up catcher and a SP for a back-up catcher and a reliever.

edit: Jerome from the Bronx, Tony from East Boston and Emac from Seattle (does he still post anywhere?) have worked on an awesome 3-team deal


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 01:09:50 PM
I think Bard could have learned to catch Wakes but he had very little time to work with him.  As noted, they had Kottaras in camp and he caught Sparks before.   I just felt that it was a gross overpay.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 01:21:00 PM
I think Bard could have learned to catch Wakes but he had very little time to work with him.  As noted, they had Kottaras in camp and he caught Sparks before.   I just felt that it was a gross overpay.

I might be wrong but IIRC the sox didn't get Kottaras until late in '06 (the Wells trade), and the Mirabelli trade took place earlier in the year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 01:27:02 PM
You're right, but I am fairly sure the Sox did have someone else in camp that year that caught Sparks in the past


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 01:39:04 PM
BUT they needed a guy to catch Wakes, and they knew exactly where to find him, didn't have the luxury of time to break in another guy, so they paid a premium.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 21, 2007, 01:41:58 PM
Mirabelli's return to Boston was the highlight of last season.

Yeah, I know, the season sucked.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 01:44:46 PM
There have been plenty of knucleballers in the past that didn't need a special catcher.  Frankly, they could have let Tek catch him.  The Red Sox should have had one guy in camp that was ready to catch Wakes -- they had plenty of time to find someone.  Instead they broke ST and handed the job to the guy that had the least experience catching him.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 01:52:20 PM
In any case, what's done is done. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 02:02:09 PM
 
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Frankly, they could have let Tek catch him.

Frankly, I don't think they could have, not with the 2003 (?) ALCS experience-with Tek suffering 3 PB in 1 inning. And its possible that Tek's performance might have slipped if he had to deal with Wakes on a FT basis. Appparently, its way harder to catch the guy than anyone anticipated.

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In any case, what's done is done.


yup


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 21, 2007, 02:06:18 PM
Speaking of Tek, he has really come around. Huge bases loaded hit yesterday.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 21, 2007, 02:07:53 PM
Mirabelli bleeds Red Sox colors.

Worth its' weight in gold.

Not always as simple as adding up stats.  Do we win the division with Meredith?  Win a playoff series?  Please.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 02:12:19 PM
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Speaking of Tek, he has really come around.

I wonder how much of this year's slow start for Tek was related to (if at all) with dealing with the specific demands of Dice-k.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 21, 2007, 02:56:53 PM
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Mirabelli bleeds Red Sox colors.
You sure he doesn't just paint them on?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 03:06:24 PM
I heard the reason they shipped Mirabelli out was because he refused to catch bullpens


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 21, 2007, 03:35:39 PM
There is some speculation that WMP will be traded soon. AL team that needs a cheap outfielder and is willing to part with an expensive player. Multi-player deal. Those are the clues.

I am officially starting the Ichiro rumors, but I suppose Torii Hunter is another possibility.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 09:57:05 PM
Wake struggled today but the Red Sox really failed to capitalize against Wang -- they certainly had plenty of opportunities. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 21, 2007, 10:33:41 PM
this team can strand more freakin' runners...

while the sox have gotten better at small ball, and can still play long ball, the Achille's heel* on this Sox team may be their inability to manufacturer runs a little more efficiently

* see sig line.

heh

edit: Am  I hallucinating or does it just seem every game Manny is taking a called 3rd strike?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 21, 2007, 10:36:05 PM
There is some speculation that WMP will be traded soon. AL team that needs a cheap outfielder and is willing to part with an expensive player. Multi-player deal. Those are the clues.

I am officially starting the Ichiro rumors, but I suppose Torii Hunter is another possibility.

Boston, the Cubs, Detroit, Tampa Bay, Toronto

Interesting list of teams Hunter CANNOT be dealt to without his blessing (limited no-trade).


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 21, 2007, 11:09:03 PM
I don't see them dealing for a CF with Ellsbury in the picture.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 21, 2007, 11:12:37 PM
Not just any CF, I agree

CoCo will contribute plenty to the playoff cause this year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 21, 2007, 11:17:17 PM
Manny's got just the 1 year left (we're on the hook for 20 mil, plus a mil if he is dealt)

CoCo could end up in left

But I wouldn't rush Ellsbury - and don't sleep on Brandon Moss.

Would be a nice story if Ramirez could retire with us, but I think it would take 2 monster years - including playoff greatness - for him to be in our uni in 2009 (20 mil option)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 21, 2007, 11:48:28 PM
Out to dinner with friends and we lose the opener. There goes the season...


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 22, 2007, 07:21:00 AM
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Out to dinner with friends and we lose the opener.

that's why there are Twists off tops, you don't need the opener.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 22, 2007, 08:12:21 AM
Not much to put in the plus column for Red Sox fans last night. Wakefield didn't have it, and Romero and Delcarmen weren't exactly overpowering. The Yankees out hit and out  hussled the Sox every which way. Wang held everyone at bay  even when he wasn't throwing his best stuff.  I'll be interested to see if this carries over into some Yankee momentum. 7 1/2 games out after tomorrow night's game would be a big difference from 9 1/2 games


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 22, 2007, 08:40:05 AM
Sweeps are hard against bad teams let alone the better ones. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 22, 2007, 09:19:46 AM
7 1/2 games out after tomorrow night's game would be a big difference from 9 1/2 games

Right. It would be a 2-game difference.

At the moment, though, the deficit is 9 1/2 games. Admittedly, that deficit seems like nothing in light of the fact that Delcarmen's and Romero's two scoreless innings with one baserunner "weren't excatly overpowering."

sweet_tata's avatars should be seen and not heard.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 22, 2007, 09:35:10 AM
I think that Sweet T's point is that MDC and Romero weren't firing on all cylinders.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 22, 2007, 09:40:39 AM
"Yanks outhit and out hussled..."

I don't know - I kind of liked Papi's head first slide with the headbutt finish on Jeter.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 22, 2007, 09:44:43 AM
If he took better care of himself he would have made it standing up.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 22, 2007, 09:51:00 AM
the fat slob shoulda had a triple, IMO he needs a protein shake.





Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 22, 2007, 10:16:54 AM
Well the race is over, the Yanks are back.  The Red Sox might as well get their balls washed -- golf balls that is. 

It was a nice run while it lasted, eh fellas?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 22, 2007, 10:29:09 AM
Yeah, it was a nice run I guess, but it was a run obviously built on opposing teams' injuries.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 22, 2007, 10:30:50 AM
Yeah, just imagine how good the Yanks are going to be when they are playing on full cylinders. 



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 22, 2007, 10:33:19 AM
YG must feel quite the fool now.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 22, 2007, 10:35:47 AM
the only full cylinders I want to see from the Ys are the test tubes filled and sent off to the blood labs, otherwise...

edit: re yankguy-as perfect an example of reverse mojo as is possible, kudos yank


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 22, 2007, 10:55:43 AM
YG's work is excellent, yes. But I am learning from him.

Sox will never see a double digit lead again this season.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 22, 2007, 10:58:13 AM
Until tonight...

I guess that cancels you out.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 22, 2007, 11:01:22 AM
7 1/2 games out after tomorrow night's game would be a big difference from 9 1/2 games

Right. It would be a 2-game difference.

At the moment, though, the deficit is 9 1/2 games. Admittedly, that deficit seems like nothing in light of the fact that Delcarmen's and Romero's two scoreless innings with one baserunner "weren't excatly overpowering."

sweet_tata's avatars should be seen and not heard.


Oh my...it looks like Emily got some corn flakes and maple syrup stuck in his beard this morning. Tsk.Tsk.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 22, 2007, 11:13:27 AM
I find it very hard to read your posts with those luscious breasts staring back at me. Not that I mind.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 22, 2007, 11:23:55 AM
Blush


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 22, 2007, 12:00:52 PM
I find it very hard to read your posts with those luscious breasts staring back at me. Not that I mind.

It's difficult to assess lusciousness without any scale, as is the case with the avatar (or whatever) to which you refer.

It's sort of like the shot at the beginning of "Lost In Translation".  It's a long slow shot pulling away from a super-close-up Scarlett Johanssen's bottom.  Even if you are someone who likes bottoms, I don't see how one could really enjoy the shot, as it's so close that it just appears at first as a horizontal line across the entire screen.  You can't even tell it's a bottom until after the camera moves far enough back so that you can see the lower back, etc.

In the above-mentioned avatar, one can tell right away that it is a picture of a woman's bosom, but the same principle applies.  Unless you can see the rest of the torso, you can't really assess the lusciousness.  You need something more to give it some scale - maybe not the whole head, but surely you need to see the neck, arms and stomach, and not just a portion thereof.  Only after vieiwing the bosom in the context of the rest of the torso can one make an informed evaluation of the lusciousness of the bosom.

That's my perception anyway.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 22, 2007, 07:26:12 PM
Guess noone wanted to follow that - lol

----------------

Mmmmmmaaanny magic!!!!!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 22, 2007, 10:51:39 PM
Again, I saw none of the game. But this one was big (for a game in May). Nah, just a big one period.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 23, 2007, 03:03:30 AM
I was just looking at Yankees upcoming games and after Boston the Angels come in for three and then they do a ten game road trip in Toronto,Boston and end with four in Chicago against the White Sox.That's a tough road the next two weeks.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 23, 2007, 07:53:35 AM
good win last nite-Tavarez shows up and does a nice job. I really liked 7th inning-about everything I bitched about yesterday seemed to work in the 7th, running and timely hitting. Oki and Paps almost walked the ballpark, but they survived.

btw, what's up with Arod's elbow to Pedroia's nuts?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 08:51:18 AM
I liked what the rookie said about it:

"He went in late and kind of threw an elbow,” Pedroia said. “It was a little cheap but no big deal. I’ll remember. I play second base. I’ve got to turn two with the Yankees 19 times a year, so I know now when he’s coming in, my (arm) slot gets dropped to the floor. That’s it."




Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 08:56:31 AM
I wonder what's up with Moose -- his fastball topped out in the mid 80s. 

All those walks were killing me last night, I thought we were going to hand the game back to the Yanks.

What's up with Jeter not defending the plate to end the ballgame?  He should know better than that.


Title: Sources: Yankees' Giambi tests positive for amphetamines
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 08:59:50 AM
Jason Giambi failed a Major League Baseball-administered amphetamines test within the last year, which has subjected him to additional drug testing, sources told the New York Daily News.

http://www.startribune.com/509/story/1200965.html


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 23, 2007, 09:17:16 AM
Didn't see the game, but can read a box score. Yankees got 3 hits and 4 walks off the Sox #5 pitcher. Mussina probably helped Tavares out by giving up those 3 first inning runs.

My guess is that Schilling will not buzz Arod tonight. Why give a sub-.500 team the time of day?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 10:14:50 AM
The Sox did with the Rays in the past


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 23, 2007, 10:15:36 AM
Tonight is Freddy Sanchez Bobblehead Night in Trenton. The undercard has Roger Clemens facing the Portland Sea Dogs. Reportedly, the game is available free on MLB.com and MiLB.com.

And of course, tomorrow night the Nashua Pride open their season. I'll be there, DMac, in case you're around.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 23, 2007, 10:28:53 AM
Didn't see the game, but can read a box score. Yankees got 3 hits and 4 walks off the Sox #5 pitcher. Mussina probably helped Tavares out by giving up those 3 first inning runs.

My guess is that Schilling will not buzz Arod tonight. Why give a sub-.500 team the time of day?
Rock on.  It's not like the Red Sox have ever given away a double digit lead before.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 23, 2007, 10:50:06 AM
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It's not like the Red Sox have ever given away a double digit lead before

I think it was Johan Santana once said, "those that do not remember 1978 are condemned to repeat it." Or maybe it was Carlos Santana, or maybe he said " rock on", I don't remember.

But Theo is going to have Don Zimmer come in and give a little motivational speech, and he also will have Pedro on loan from he Mets to knock the MFer on his ass.

Never Forget!!!!!

edit: liq how about a poll. Should a Red Sox pitcher drill the punk, let Pedroia define his own payback, or let Arod live with the shame?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 23, 2007, 11:16:02 AM
My point was not to diss the Yankees. They are a fine organization with a great history.

I just recall Arod inciting a brawl a few years ago that turned the Sox season around. Why do it? Play the game tonight, win or lose, and get on the plane.

And I know that it's possible for teams with nice leads to collapse. The memory of the 2005 Indians is a cautionary tale for all.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 23, 2007, 11:19:13 AM
My point was not to diss the Yankees. They are a fine organization with a great history.

I just recall Arod inciting a brawl a few years ago that turned the Sox season around. Why do it? Play the game tonight, win or lose, and get on the plane.

And I know that it's possible for teams with nice leads to collapse. The memory of the 2005 Indians is a cautionary tale for all.
Escept, of course, Cleveland never had a nice lead.  They were behind until about a week was left in the season, and were never more than a game and a half up in the WC standings.  Try again.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 23, 2007, 11:21:57 AM
Didn't see the game, but can read a box score. Yankees got 3 hits and 4 walks off the Sox #5 pitcher. Mussina probably helped Tavares out by giving up those 3 first inning runs.

My guess is that Schilling will not buzz Arod tonight. Why give a sub-.500 team the time of day?
Rock on.  It's not like the Red Sox have ever given away a double digit lead before.

All Red Sox fans know that it's possible to lose a double-digit lead. That doesn't make us enjoy such a lead any less, nor does it make us think that the team is going to lose this one.

Personally, I just don't think the Blue Jays are good enough to catch them.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 23, 2007, 11:25:18 AM
That the A-Rod/Varitek/Sturtze (I knew you'd like that one) brawl turned the Red Sox season around I think is largely myth.  After winning that day, the Red Sox were tied for the wildcard and 8.5 games behind.    Two weeks after the brawl they were 10.5 games behind and out of the wildcard.  Three months after the brawl they were down 3-0 in the ALCS.  It's a nice memory, I guess, but I think you have to work harder to argue that "fight" turned the season around.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 23, 2007, 11:33:18 AM
That the A-Rod/Varitek/Sturtze (I knew you'd like that one) brawl turned the Red Sox season around I think is largely myth... 

As is its classification as a "brawl."  So-called "brawls" in baseball are, without exception, mutual displays of the lack of any ability to execute effective aggression. 

Whenever a ballplayer is angry enough to actually commit to hurting another player during one of said so-called "brawls," he just throws one or two wild, loopy, totally ineffective punches before he loses his balance and ends up entangled with his opponent, and the scene soon resembles a junior-high school girl catfight out on a playground, with less hair-pulling and more whining and crying.

The cleanest "punch" I can remember seeing on a baseball field was when Nolan Ryan administered multiple "noogies" (sp?) to the top of Robin Ventura's head.  Not that said "noogies" did any real damage, but I guess you could call them punches that landed if you really want to use the terms "punch" and "land" very loosely.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 23, 2007, 11:38:31 AM
Didn't see the game, but can read a box score. Yankees got 3 hits and 4 walks off the Sox #5 pitcher. Mussina probably helped Tavares out by giving up those 3 first inning runs.

My guess is that Schilling will not buzz Arod tonight. Why give a sub-.500 team the time of day?

Box score didn't show that Tavarez buzzed Jeter up and in. 

Will Lester have trouble getting that 5th slot?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 23, 2007, 11:40:02 AM
Whoops, I take that back.  Michael Barrett actually did land a "clean punch" to the face of AJ Pierzynski last year.

However, what was most notable about the punch was that it didn't appear to hurt Pierzynski at all.  He just turned around surprised, is if maybe he thought that he'd just been hit by a wiffle ball thrown by someone in the stands or something.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 23, 2007, 11:40:57 AM
I'd go with the "let the sleeping dogs lie" school of thought. At least for the moment.

Why give a once proud franchise any reason to rally around their beloved leader ARod?


Besides who needs chance that Rivers & Nettles jump out of the crowd and pummel and sucker punching Schilling?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 23, 2007, 11:45:24 AM
Graig Nettles is the answer to a good trivia question:

Name a baseball player whose name is not only a complete sentence, but is also accurate as to that player's personality.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 23, 2007, 11:46:38 AM
Graig Nettles is the answer to a good trivia question:

Name a baseball player whose name is not only a complete sentence, but is also accurate as to that player's personality.


Similarly, there once awas a football player named Roosevelt Leaks.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 23, 2007, 11:48:05 AM

Similarly, there once awas a football player named Roosevelt Leaks.

Sure was.  And Marion Butts, too.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 23, 2007, 11:56:38 AM
Leaks was a great college player until he got hurt.  He once had over 300 yards in a game for Texas, I think.


Title: Re: Sources: Yankees' Giambi tests positive for amphetamines
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 23, 2007, 12:00:36 PM
Jason Giambi failed a Major League Baseball-administered amphetamines test within the last year, which has subjected him to additional drug testing, sources told the New York Daily News.

http://www.startribune.com/509/story/1200965.html

Seems like MLB decided to pay Giambi back for his dissing them last week, and leaked the supposed to be withheld information.

Bud Selig plays his own version of hardball.

As to the rookie Beaneater flipping out about A-Rod's slide---Shut up and play, stupid.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 12:02:14 PM
How did he flip out?  He merely stated that he would get his revenge the old fashioned way


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 23, 2007, 12:10:56 PM
IMO Pedroia wasn't pissed about the slide, but was about ARod's elbow to his nuts.


Title: Re: Sources: Yankees' Giambi tests positive for amphetamines
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 23, 2007, 12:25:01 PM

As to the rookie Beaneater flipping out about A-Rod's slide---Shut up and play, stupid.

It sounds like "shut up and play" is exactly what he's doing.   When I think of "flipping out," I think of George Brett running out of the dugout when they disallowed his home run because of the pine tar, or when Clemens threw the broken bat at Piazza and started screaming that he "thought it was the ball."  That's flipping out - doing weird things while acting all crazed/enraged/etc. 

I didn't see the Pedroia play, but for someone just to say they know to use a lower arm-angle when turning a double play - that doesn't seem like "flipping out" to me.  Maybe there was something else he did that your referring to?





Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 23, 2007, 12:32:13 PM
Pedroia did as he should do: pointed out the potential interference to the ump to see if he could get a run off the board. No reason to be R Cano and cower on the field, deathly afraid you'll be tossed out of the game for protesting a close call.

It's really the fans that are trying to incite something here. Hopefully Schill blows it off.

I could look up the performance of CLE at the end of the 2005 season, but why bother? Let's all just agree that they played valliant and brilliant baseball, justly deserving of the playoff spot they got.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 23, 2007, 12:39:36 PM
It's really the fans that are trying to incite something here. Hopefully Schill blows it off.

He's got "a him or not" and an "if yes, what inning?" poll on his blog.  We'll find out the answers tonight, I guess.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 23, 2007, 12:45:28 PM
Are you kidding me?  If he does hit Arod, and these polls clearly point to it as being pre-meditated, I'd say he'll get 10 games.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 23, 2007, 12:47:15 PM
Hey, Schilling's the fan's guy.  If that's what they want, that's what he'll give them.  It's out of his hands.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 23, 2007, 12:53:38 PM
What the hell is that song "Sister Christian" about?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 12:54:22 PM
Yeah he's a real man of the people.  I can't wait for him to enter politics.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 23, 2007, 12:55:43 PM
You know, Mirabelli admitted it was ketchup on that sock.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 23, 2007, 12:58:05 PM
if Schill drills ARod, the blood will be on his socks



Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 23, 2007, 01:01:51 PM
Nah - Yanks are bereft of fighters right now

Back in the day (when NY was feared) they had players looking to incite, let alone retaliate.  The one brawl that spilled into the dugout was gassed by the bullpen charging and wailing.


Title: Re: Sources: Yankees' Giambi tests positive for amphetamines
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 23, 2007, 01:09:25 PM

As to the rookie Beaneater flipping out about A-Rod's slide---Shut up and play, stupid.

It sounds like "shut up and play" is exactly what he's doing.   When I think of "flipping out," I think of George Brett running out of the dugout when they disallowed his home run because of the pine tar, or when Clemens threw the broken bat at Piazza and started screaming that he "thought it was the ball."  That's flipping out - doing weird things while acting all crazed/enraged/etc. 

I didn't see the Pedroia play, but for someone just to say they know to use a lower arm-angle when turning a double play - that doesn't seem like "flipping out" to me.  Maybe there was something else he did that your referring to?





Dude is too young to be yapping. Someone on his team needs to collar this dog.


Title: Re: Sources: Yankees' Giambi tests positive for amphetamines
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 23, 2007, 01:13:52 PM
Dude is too young to be yapping. Someone on his team needs to collar this dog.

I don't think of "yapping" and "flipping out" as the same thing, but that's just my perception.  In any event, as to "yapping," that's never good, no matter how old you are. 

The worst is when you see a player or manager yapping about a called third strike.  It's like, come on man, weren't you listening to your coach back in Little League?   When you have two strikes on you, swing at ANYTHING CLOSE, you have to PROTECT THE PLATE, etc.  When you've been told this 20,000 times in your life, that means you are not allowed to yap about a called third strike.







Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 23, 2007, 02:06:46 PM
Okay--"flipping yapping".

To me the play is called baseball.

Then again I was at the game when Willie Mays slid into Pat Corrales at homeplate, cleats up, and kicked him in the face in order to score.

The "ballplayers" today would absolutely "flip out", if someone did that today.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on May 23, 2007, 02:46:12 PM
I wonder why no one has ever tried this...

Let's say you hit a ball into the left-center-field gap and try to stretch it into a double, but the CF hustles over and cuts it off and makes a good throw to 2B. You're only 2/3 of the way to 2B, and it's obvious to you that the throw is going to beat you there.  The second baseman is straddling the bag with his back to you, and turning to catch the ball and make the tag, etc.

Instead of sliding to try to avoid the tag, why not just stay on your feet, belly out toward right field a bit, and then keep right on trucking to third?  I mean, just keep running as if the ball had rolled to the wall and you're theenking treeple?

Of course you would collide with the second baseman, because he's straddling second base waiting for the throw, and it would be a big mess and the managers would be arguing with the umpires, etc.  But you could say hey, I've got a right to try to run to third base, don't I?  It's not my fault that the second baseman was standing in my way, right on top of second base, and therefore a collision was unavoidable - it's the second baseman's fault, so call obstruction or interference or whatever and let me ease on down to third base.

Maybe there's a rule in the books that would squish my plan, I don't know.





Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 03:03:45 PM
Interesting stat - the Red Sox have not lost two games in a row since April 24.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 23, 2007, 03:06:39 PM
I wonder why no one has ever tried this...

Let's say you hit a ball into the left-center-field gap and try to stretch it into a double, but the CF hustles over and cuts it off and makes a good throw to 2B. You're only 2/3 of the way to 2B, and it's obvious to you that the throw is going to beat you there.  The second baseman is straddling the bag with his back to you, and turning to catch the ball and make the tag, etc.

Instead of sliding to try to avoid the tag, why not just stay on your feet, belly out toward right field a bit, and then keep right on trucking to third?  I mean, just keep running as if the ball had rolled to the wall and you're theenking treeple?

Of course you would collide with the second baseman, because he's straddling second base waiting for the throw, and it would be a big mess and the managers would be arguing with the umpires, etc.  But you could say hey, I've got a right to try to run to third base, don't I?  It's not my fault that the second baseman was standing in my way, right on top of second base, and therefore a collision was unavoidable - it's the second baseman's fault, so call obstruction or interference or whatever and let me ease on down to third base.

Maybe there's a rule in the books that would squish my plan, I don't know.





Sounds like a plan.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: law120b on May 23, 2007, 04:43:20 PM
Rule 69a-7 says that a baserunner who, in an effort to avoid being tagged out, pulls out a deadly weapon while in a fielder's proximity and inflicts deadly bodily harm upon such fielder's person, shall be called out and may, at the Commisioner's discretion, be fined $100 and suspended from two ensuing games upon dates negotiated in good faith between the offending player's team and the Commission's Office.  In your hypothetical, whether a similar disposition may be imposed upon the subject player will depend upon an issue that has not previously been adjudicated--whether the baserunner's person or any portion thereof can be constued as a deadly weapon.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: law120b on May 23, 2007, 04:45:58 PM
by the way, mr. ugly, some of my best friends are from delaware, and i don't like them either.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 23, 2007, 08:51:45 PM
Wow, Schilling has absolutely nothing tonight. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 23, 2007, 09:54:21 PM
Wow, Schilling has absolutely nothing tonight. 

Yes, Schilling really stunk up the joint.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 23, 2007, 10:00:42 PM
I bet that Doug Mientkiewicz is going to save the game ball tonight


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 23, 2007, 10:25:23 PM
I will be interested to read what Schilling's blog says tomorrow. 12 hits (tying his all time high), including the one that let Jeter pass Joe D on the all time Yankee hit list. I am sure he'll get tired of watching that video and being the answer to a trivial pursuit question.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 23, 2007, 10:59:50 PM
is it that hard to make the correct call @ 2nd?

i'm not sure who was worse, Schilling or this umpiring crew.

fwiw, I think I've seem more butchered misplayed fly balls/line drives this year than any other year.

fwiw2, Rocket's line against a AA team seems to say, "I'm not quite where a $28MM pitcher should be."


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 24, 2007, 06:36:31 AM
I have to agree that those calls at second base have been atrocious. Both teams have received terrrible calls at the most inopportune time.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 09:38:35 AM
Buchholz totally outpitched Clemens yesterday.  A couple of the scouts at the game said that they would rather have Buchholz than Clemens after that performance.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 24, 2007, 10:01:38 AM
Apparently, some semi-informed sources still think that Clemens is going to start for the Yanks in Toronto next week. I find it a bit hard to believe that he's going to return to the bigs after 9.1 innings in two minor league starts, neither of them very good, but I guess when you're staking a king's ransom on the guy maybe you want to get as much mileage out of him as possible.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 24, 2007, 10:09:51 AM
If the Yankees are in first place by that Toronto game, I think they'll push back Clemens' first start.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 24, 2007, 10:12:00 AM
Mention semi-informed sources, and look who pipes up.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 24, 2007, 10:14:06 AM
Oh, I thought you wrote "well-meaning sources".  Sorry for  the confusion.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 10:16:18 AM
The umpiring last night was just bizarre.  Absolutely no consistency in the strikezone whatsoever.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 24, 2007, 10:18:43 AM
The whole series was an embarrassment for the umpiring crew, or should have been.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 10:22:52 AM
my conclusions about round 3

-that may have been the most boring series these guys have played in years

-you want to score first

-younger is better for most starting pitchers

-I got a future as a 2nd base umpire



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 10:23:53 AM
Granted, Schilling was serving up gopher balls.  I think I could have smacked a couple of those ones out.  That pitch to Manishevitz was just awful


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 10:35:16 AM
Buchholz totally outpitched Clemens yesterday.  A couple of the scouts at the game said that they would rather have Buchholz than Clemens after that performance.

I've never seen the guy pitch but several posters on SoSH (pehaps not the most objective sources) say he's not that far away ('08/09?). But the Herald artcle with the scouts comments was very positive
 
2008 Sox Rotation ?

Beckett

Dice-K

Lester

Wakes

Bucholz

and Schill? maybe he comes back or maybe he writes the great American novel before his run in 2012?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 24, 2007, 10:40:50 AM
If Schilling writes the great American novel, this society will be officially in the pits.

Mark Twain, Herman Melville, and John Updike are not walking through that door.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 10:43:46 AM
Buchholz's numbers are just plain out of this world.  His K/BB ratio is phenomenal


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 10:44:55 AM
Check out this line:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=453329


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 24, 2007, 10:47:29 AM
Dominating AA at 23?  So did Jeremy Guthrie.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 24, 2007, 10:49:17 AM
How the hell do you get only two decisions with numbers like that?

Also, it looks like they're keeping his pitch count down. Maybe that's a big part of the answer to my question.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 10:49:58 AM
maybe they bump him to AAA at some point this year, and maybe we catch a peak in Sept.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 10:52:13 AM
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How the hell do you get only two decisions with numbers like that?

same way Bob Gibson lost 9 games in 1968 with a 1.12 ERA.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 10:54:46 AM
How the hell do you get only two decisions with numbers like that?

Also, it looks like they're keeping his pitch count down. Maybe that's a big part of the answer to my question.

No run support.  Ellsbury was a one man wrecking crew down there, since he got promoted they've had very little to show for offense


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 10:57:53 AM
Dominating AA at 23?  So did Jeremy Guthrie.

His numbers are better than Guthrie's.

Guthrie
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pl/425/425386.html

Buchholz
http://www.minorleaguesplits.com/pl/453/453329.html

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=453329


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 24, 2007, 10:59:30 AM
Did anyone mention that Schill stunk up the joint last night? Everyone hit the ball hard. Bit of a disappointment, but the 1-2 series was pretty much expected.

I may have to put Tavares on my fantasy team. The guy is pitching his heart out.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 11:00:30 AM
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I may have to put Tavares on my fantasy team. The guy is pitching his heart out.

Except when I go to his games


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 24, 2007, 11:11:53 AM
Manny might need to start rubbing Schilling's head in the dugout.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2007, 11:24:03 AM
Buchholz totally outpitched Clemens yesterday.  A couple of the scouts at the game said that they would rather have Buchholz than Clemens after that performance.

I've never seen the guy pitch but several posters on SoSH (pehaps not the most objective sources) say he's not that far away ('08/09?). But the Herald artcle with the scouts comments was very positive
 
2008 Sox Rotation ?

Beckett

Dice-K

Lester

Wakes

Bucholz

and Schill? maybe he comes back or maybe he writes the great American novel before his run in 2012?



pretty weak

Fans often make the mistake of not assuming a top pitcher will be acquired, of just slotting oin the prospects.

Santana, Willis and a host of others will be in the mix


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
I don't think anyone was saying they could see into a crystal ball and predict the future


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 11:31:48 AM
kid-weak?

one of the purposes of developing young (cheap) pitchers is so you can drop $100MM for a Dice-k, or $40MM for Beckett, or to cover your ass when you drop $25MM for a Clement. If Bucholz or Lester are MLB ready then slotting them as 3-4-5s to further develop them in the hopes they mature to 1-2-3 is perfectly appropriate.

and IMO Santana is staying with the Twins, Willis may be available, but at some point the Marlins need to hold onto the guys they develop.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 24, 2007, 11:40:05 AM
A friend of mine - huge Twin fan - doesn't think they'll pay for Santana. I think this may be the reason the Sox were reluctant to give Schill the contract extension at the beginning of the year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 24, 2007, 11:42:05 AM
Santana will be a New York Met, IMO. :-X


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 24, 2007, 11:44:11 AM
I would suspect that Santana on the marketplace would draw the Yankees' interest as well.  Not sure when the Sox last out bid the Yankees in anything but a blind bid.

Sabathia will be on the market the same time, by the way.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 11:45:06 AM
Santana's free agent class is going to be ridiculously deep:

Sabathia, Jake Peavy, Ben Sheets, Brad Penny, Derek Lowe, Jon Garland, and John Lackey


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 11:46:52 AM
the Twins have been notorioulsy cheap, but I think they'll try and sign santana who is still the best SP, and who is still in his prime to a reasonable contract(even if its $18MM-$20MM+ per).  With Liriano coming back, and some young guys still under cheap contracts, IMO it would be a mistake to let the guy go.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 11:53:09 AM
Noone knows if Liriano will be anything like the phenom we saw last season. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 11:57:45 AM
that's true, but as Joel learned in Risky Business, sometimes you just gotta say, "What the Fuck"


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 24, 2007, 12:12:33 PM

I may have to put Tavares on my fantasy team. The guy is pitching his heart out.

As long as punching out the dugout wall is a stat category, he should be a good pick.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 24, 2007, 12:29:12 PM
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I may have to put Tavares on my fantasy team. The guy is pitching his heart out.
Say hello to gary and dmac on your way down!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 01:05:00 PM

I may have to put Tavares on my fantasy team. The guy is pitching his heart out.

As long as punching out the dugout wall is a stat category, he should be a good pick.

Too bad Kevin Brown isn't in the league anymore, you could have quite the duo


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2007, 01:06:10 PM
Check out this line:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=453329

That line was before yesterday, so thec K/BB is actually 61-7.

Last season Bucholz allowed just 88 hits, with 140 K

K/H rate is the new "dominance" stat.


Title: With a New Sock, the Red Sox Add Some Distance
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 01:11:35 PM
(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2007/05/24/sports/24socks-600.jpg)

Now the Red Sox are riding high again, far ahead of the Yankees in the American League East. Appropriately enough, a sock is the team symbol again. Only this time it is a five-toed version popularized by their two new Japanese pitchers — Daisuke Matsuzaka and Hideki Okajima.

The socks, which fit like a glove with each toe individually encased, were met with curiosity in Boston’s clubhouse during spring training. Before long, Matsuzaka began offering pairs to anyone who expressed an interest. And a number of players did, including Mike Lowell, Álex Cora and Doug Mirabelli, who are now playing in them regularly. Looking for a reason for Boston’s great start to the season? Maybe it is the socks.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/sports/baseball/24socks.html?_r=1&ref=sports&oref=slogin


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 24, 2007, 01:24:48 PM
The major surprise is that I haven't received an email from redsox.com yet offering me a pair of these socks for only $69.95.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 01:25:42 PM
Check out this line:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=453329

That line was before yesterday, so thec K/BB is actually 61-7.

Last season Bucholz allowed just 88 hits, with 140 K

K/H rate is the new "dominance" stat.

kid-you never got back to me.

If Bucholz has as much potential as it seems he does, where would you slot him,

or how do you see the Sox rotation shaping up in '08 and beyond?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 24, 2007, 01:33:44 PM
The major surprise is that I haven't received an email from redsox.com yet offering me a pair of these socks for only $69.95.

You haven't?  I'm wearing mine right now.  If you were among the first 100 orders, you got a free red penis sock (XL of course) which I am also sporting.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 01:38:30 PM
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you got a free red penis sock


damn-I missed out on that one-I'll just have to keep on using my knee-high tube sock


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2007, 01:42:41 PM
Check out this line:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/stats/player.php?id=453329

That line was before yesterday, so thec K/BB is actually 61-7.

Last season Bucholz allowed just 88 hits, with 140 K

K/H rate is the new "dominance" stat.

kid-you never got back to me.

If Bucholz has as much potential as it seems he does, where would you slot him,

or how do you see the Sox rotation shaping up in '08 and beyond?

'08 could look much like '07, slot Lester if you like

Beyond - I'd think 1-2 names we curently do not own...



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 01:51:23 PM

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'08 could look much like '07, slot Lester if you like

ok-i guess you agree with me on Lester in '08, and it seems you like Bucholz, what would you do with him in '08/'09?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2007, 01:58:41 PM

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'08 could look much like '07, slot Lester if you like

ok-i guess you agree with me on Lester in '08, and it seems you like Bucholz, what would you do with him in '08/'09?



One rung at a time

Winter '08 we weigh our options

Evaluating Lester included


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 24, 2007, 02:01:44 PM
kid-that was WEAK!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 24, 2007, 02:06:54 PM
Mike Bowden also on the horizon.  And I like Hansack


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 24, 2007, 11:24:53 PM
Nobody wears penis socks like The Red Hot Chile Peppers.I was reading that NYTimes article and was struck by the fact they showed the socks with the number #13 on them.Is the NYTimes trying to jinx the Sox?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 24, 2007, 11:30:26 PM
Speaking of Santana what the heck has gone wrong with the other one.I live in L.A. so see a lot of Angels games(Anything is better than watching the current Dodgers) and Ervin Santana has just lost it this season.The guy was such a good pitcher the last two years.Today he gave up 8 runs and did not last 4.It looks like  the next Boston-Clevland series could match the two best AL or with a little luck the best two teams in baseball


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 25, 2007, 09:22:31 AM
Quote
I was reading that NYTimes article and was struck by the fact they showed the socks with the number #13 on them.Is the NYTimes trying to jinx the Sox?


IMO, the NYT as one of the largest equity-stake holders in the Sox, may have used the picture to reach out to ARod. A subliminal message to jump a sinking ship, and that these Socks and $30MM a year can all be yours.

Tampering? Maybe, but a jinx? I guess it depends how you view ARod.

big Memorial Day battle in the AL Central as Tigers/Tribe go at it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 26, 2007, 01:35:52 AM
Strange game tonight.I was just reading a fox story about Roger and it says he most likely will not start against Boston either."Fenway as theyused to say in football is piling it on" said Joe Torre.I loved the comment from George today that Giambi"Should have kept his mouth shut".Spoken like a true Con.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 26, 2007, 02:14:18 AM
Definately a strange game. DiceK looked unhittable in every inning but one, where he was rocked for 5 runs. McCarthy gave up one hit and pulled after 2 as he couldn't buy a strike.

OK, Sox managed to get the double digit lead back, but they'll never get the magic 11 game lead the mighty Yanks got last year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 26, 2007, 02:41:46 AM
The fox blurb after the game is that Dice-K felt ill and was seen wretching after that inning which is why he only went five.Maybe but a Win is a Win.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 26, 2007, 12:06:29 PM
It's laughable that Cashman is on the "big hook" for the season. He is trying to transition Yankee pitching to youth while at the same time put a contending team on the field.  The primary goal should be the transition, even if the Yanks have a tough year or two.

It would be a RS fan delight to see Cashman fired and the Yankees return to the old paradigm.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 27, 2007, 10:42:49 AM
I don't think you can quite call it a transition year when the team is loaded with oldies but not necessarily goodies and just signed Clemens for $28m prorated.

Besides what are they transitioning to exactly?  They are bringing up rookies because the team is banged up not as part of the maturation process.

Red Sox management looking quite good right now with not bringing back Damon or Pedro.  A lot more farsighted than the Yanks or Mets.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 27, 2007, 11:25:56 AM
Don't forget Trot Nixon and looking ahead, it is bye bye Curt Schilling.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 27, 2007, 12:21:39 PM
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Red Sox management looking quite good right now with not bringing back Damon or Pedro.  A lot more farsighted than the Yanks or Mets.

I generally agree but IMO Minaya's done a pretty good job mixing vets with kids. Cashman and crew has made some bad bets on pitching. IMO the book on Cashman's skills won't be really complete until he does something with team that can't spend almost twice as much as the competition.

a few years ago Theo said his "model ' was to put together a competitve team 7 of 10 years, and rebuilding/retooling in the others. So far we've seen the competitive years, although some might call last year a transition year, with a lot of young players brought in, Youks, Crisp, Paps, Lester, MDC Hansen, but like this year's Y's injuries AND some not ready for prime-time players sunk them.

grades: Theo A-/B+, Minaya B, Cashman a gentlemen's C.

enjoy the day


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 27, 2007, 02:07:53 PM
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IMO the book on Cashman's skills won't be really complete until he does something with team that can't spend almost twice as much as the competition.
And yet you don't seem to feel that way about Theo, even though the Sox owe a chunk of their current bulge (given the way the Yankees have spit the bit, they'd be in first without Dice-K) to his decision to drastically overspend for the rights to a pitcher, and even though the Sox regularly outspend everyone in baseball but the Yankees.  But then, I am pretty used by now to Sox fans defining the economic advantages of huge budgets in such a way as to handicap only the Yankees for it, and never themselves.

In my opinion, the book on Cashman will be written when we see what fruits the efforts to rebuild the Yankee system will bear.

So, it looks like next week we get a matchup of the teams with the two best records in baseball.  Sox avoid CC and Fausto - too bad, I wanted Fausto to face Ortiz at Fenway in the regular season to get over that before the post-season - and draw Lee, Sowers and Byrd against Schilling, Beckett and Dice-K.  Not sure I like those matchups.

True interesting fact:  Paul Byrd has more wins (5) than walks (3) this year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 27, 2007, 06:27:07 PM
boz-same goes for Theo, except I think he's done a better job with with the sox than Cashman has done with the Ys over the past few years. And I think your very wrong about the sox and theri spending for Dice-k, (they spent less than the Giants did for Zito and got a younger and better pitcher, I'm surprised you don't undertstand that.

I'd spend more time on it and clear it up for you except steaks are waiting to get grilled.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 28, 2007, 12:26:08 AM
Just because you have more chips than other teams does not mean that you have the best hand.  But it certainly helps.  The Yankees have a couple more chips than the Red Sox and the Mets.  And the Red Sox and the Mets have plenty more chips than most of the league. 

The judge of Cashman isn't what he does with a team with half the chips.  Its what he does with the team that has more than any of them.  And if this team pulls a titanic.  Well, I think the real gauge of how good Cashman is knowing when to fold them.  Theo folded last season rather than going all in at the midseason trade deadline recognizing the cards that the Sox were dealt. 

Will Cashman?

 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 28, 2007, 06:12:25 AM
bs -

That they spent their money more wisely than the Gints does not alter the fact that they paid twice what the next highest bidder offered for the negotiating rights to Dice-K.

I smell a sweep coming up this week! 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2007, 08:16:45 AM
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That they spent their money more wisely than the Gints does not alter the fact that they paid twice what the next highest bidder offered for the negotiating rights to Dice-K.

boz-the only one altering the facts is you.

I guess we're going to have to do this one step at a time.

first the facts,

1-The RSox bid $51MM for exclusive negotiating rights to Dice-K

2-the Mets reportedly offered $39MM

3-The Ys reportedly offered $32MM for Dice-k and ($26MM for Igawa)

The Red Sox spent about $12MM more than the next best offer or 12/39 or about a 30% premium to the next highest offer.

and now i'm getting more coffee

in the interim, tell me where the sox doubled anyone's offer, or perhaps you could just say "I guess I was wrong".

and then we'll have some fun with numbers



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2007, 10:34:53 AM
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I smell a sweep coming up this week!

IMO your nose is running a few days late: there was a lotta sweeping this past week-end as the brooms were busy.

The strange thing was the sweeping was done by visitors: Sox, Tribe, Mets, Angels.

time to nip that phenomena in the bud.

and to our armed-service folks past and present:

Thank you for your sacrifices.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 28, 2007, 10:50:21 AM
Quote
I smell a sweep coming up this week!

Got back late last night from Arlington. I saw, tasted, heard, smelled sweep all weekend.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 28, 2007, 10:58:14 AM
Quote
That they spent their money more wisely than the Gints does not alter the fact that they paid twice what the next highest bidder offered for the negotiating rights to Dice-K.

boz-the only one altering the facts is you.

I guess we're going to have to do this one step at a time.

first the facts,

1-The RSox bid $51MM for exclusive negotiating rights to Dice-K

2-the Mets reportedly offered $39MM

3-The Ys reportedly offered $32MM for Dice-k and ($26MM for Igawa)

The Red Sox spent about $12MM more than the next best offer or 12/39 or about a 30% premium to the next highest offer.

and now i'm getting more coffee

in the interim, tell me where the sox doubled anyone's offer, or perhaps you could just say "I guess I was wrong".

and then we'll have some fun with numbers


Perhaps we can start here:

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IMO the book on Cashman's skills won't be really complete until he does something with team that can't spend almost twice as much as the competition.
Per USA Today, the Yankee payroll for 2007 is $ 189,639,045, for the Boston Red Sox it is $143,026,214.  Now I guess that does not include Rocket, but either way I'd say my "twice as much" is about as accurate as yours.                                           


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2007, 11:29:16 AM
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Now I guess that does not include Rocket, but either way I'd say my "twice as much" is about as accurate as yours.
           

boz-and you would wrong again.

With Rocket's $18MM the Y's come in at about $207MM, and the competition

Red Sox $143MM

Orioles $93MM

BJs $81MM 

Drays $24MM

Total  $341MM

Average of the competition in the AL East = $85MM

without Rocket 189/85= about 2.2X or roughly double, as I posted.

with Rocket   207/85 =  about  2.4X   

edit: if you toss out the DRays, we get  317/3 = $106MM  207/106 = 1.9X




  


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 28, 2007, 11:31:53 AM
It is astounding that the Y's have outspent the DRays 207-24 and have a one game lead to show for it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2007, 11:49:19 AM
and boz to get back to your silly defense of the Ys spending and your equally preposterous idea that the sox were irresponsible in bidding $51MM for Dice-k

I will leave you with this to gnaw on.

For $51MM the Sox got the right to sign a guy for 6 years.

The Ys chose to spend $25MM for Igawa and about $26MM (including taxes) for Roger. Coincidently also about $51MM.

lets see what the teams bought for their $51MM:

1-Sox I happen to believe that  Dice-K will pay huge dividends over that time period. As posted in the past IMO he will likely win
17-20 games per year. Lets say 17 X 6 or about 100 wins.

2-Ys. They get Rocket for 4 months, and maybe 10 wins, (and I'm being very generous) 

Iggy-you tell me-IMO there is some buyer's remorse about Iggy in da Bronx.

so who was the better shopper?

and back to liq's original point comping the Sox/Y/Mets, how would you grade the respective GM?


 




Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 28, 2007, 11:54:22 AM
RML

You can only bring that horse to water.

He ain't drinking.

Water that is.   ;D


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2007, 12:00:38 PM
d

Boz is just getting a little testy pre-the East/Central battle of the titans, and he's not thinking clearly.



edit: re road sweepers-it appears I've slighted hammy's phils and lisa's Mariners, and the Pirates and Rockies

trivia dudes, how unusual is this? (not the Phils/Mariners/Bucs/Rocks, but the 8-road sweeps)



Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 28, 2007, 01:01:19 PM
Interesting to note that the Red Sox also had 34-15 records after 49 games in both 2002 and 1978 and missed the playoffs both times.

However, in both cases our primary division competitor was a few games off the lead (1 game back in 2002, 3 back in 1978). This year the Orioles are 11.5 back.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on May 28, 2007, 06:05:24 PM
Definitly keeping a eye on the second place Birds. I'm thinking that Baltimore and Toronto will be leap frogging each other for the 2nd and 3rd spots in the AL East the rest of the year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 28, 2007, 06:21:53 PM
The truth is, no lead really means anything until one is eliminated mathematically.

We learned this in the 2004 ALCS. Anyone need a refresher on what happened there?   :D


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2007, 06:52:56 PM
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Anyone need a refresher on what happened there?
   

the story of the greatest comeback ever, just never gets old.

one of the great side benefits of that win, is that every time a team faces an 0-3 playoff deficit, the announcer /pundit has to bring it up.

Its the gift that keeps on giving.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 28, 2007, 10:04:44 PM
Whiskey, where do the Indians keep comeing up with these players with unusual names.Mike Koplove thats a good one.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 28, 2007, 10:24:40 PM
Clemens should make pretty goood trade bait.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 28, 2007, 10:27:57 PM
Weird strikeout of Blake. Never seen that before.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 28, 2007, 10:37:23 PM
that was one helluva entertaining game


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 28, 2007, 10:41:02 PM
The ruling: if you swing, it's a strike even if it hits you. Once it hits you, dead ball. Thus strike 3, out.

And nice cheese on that pitch to Hafner.

And welcome back Trot. You played the game right all the time.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 28, 2007, 10:55:28 PM
Yeah, I didn't realize that would result in a strikeout -- I thought it would be a foul ball.

Nice recovery by Papelbon -- had me real nervous.

Schilling was outstanding.  Nice to see him pitch well against a good team.  I guess he lost concentration against the bad ones his last two starts....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 28, 2007, 10:56:58 PM
Youk has a inside the park homerrun standing up -- never thought that would happen


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 28, 2007, 11:56:28 PM
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Now I guess that does not include Rocket, but either way I'd say my "twice as much" is about as accurate as yours.
           

boz-and you would wrong again.

With Rocket's $18MM the Y's come in at about $207MM, and the competition

Red Sox $143MM

Orioles $93MM

BJs $81MM 

Drays $24MM

Total  $341MM

Average of the competition in the AL East = $85MM

without Rocket 189/85= about 2.2X or roughly double, as I posted.

with Rocket   207/85 =  about  2.4X   

edit: if you toss out the DRays, we get  317/3 = $106MM  207/106 = 1.9X




  
Your ability to rationalize away the conduct of the Red sox vis a vis the Yankees has never actually been in question.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2007, 12:01:01 AM
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your equally preposterous idea that the sox were irresponsible in bidding $51MM for Dice-k
Did I say that?  Huh.  You can of course point to the post.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 29, 2007, 12:22:03 AM
With the SEVENTH pick of the 2008 MLB first year player draft, the NY Yankees select.....................................









Priceless


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2007, 12:23:02 AM
Whiskey, where do the Indians keep comeing up with these players with unusual names.Mike Koplove thats a good one.
Pitched for the Snakes for a few years.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: lisa mariner on May 29, 2007, 12:41:18 AM
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edit: re road sweepers-it appears I've slighted hammy's phils and lisa's Mariners, and the Pirates and Rockies
Thanks for that.
Sure would be nice to keep that trend goin' vs. the current AL West leaders ...
OK, not bloody likely to leave the Halos spitting bristles in their own park, but hey ~ M's are off to a good start toward that end  :)

Nice to see the offense can get kicked into gear vs. team other than the Royals and the Rays (although even THAT 't was a good sign, as the M's have had their fits in recent years, even with those they SHOULD beat)



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 29, 2007, 12:55:49 AM
Whiskey,I guess I should have noticed he's wearing a D'Backs hat when you click his pic on Fox.Nice night for Trot all around.I read either on Fox or the Herald tonight that he was the last Red Sox player to hit an inside the park at Fenway befor Youks did it tonight.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 07:14:34 AM
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your equally preposterous idea that the sox were irresponsible in bidding $51MM for Dice-k
Did I say that?  Huh.  You can of course point to the post.


yes you did say that

and of course I can.

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And yet you don't seem to feel that way about Theo, even though the Sox owe a chunk of their current bulge (given the way the Yankees have spit the bit, they'd be in first without Dice-K) to his decision to drastically overspend for the rights to a pitcher,


boz-the major difference between here and Elba is when you post factually incorrect and generally inane posts about the Sox in Elba you are hailed as a sage, mostly because trish really doesn't know any better.

Here your garbage is challenged.

and the only thing I tried to rationalize, at least to myself, was your inability to do some pretty simple math.


boz-Hafner, (0-5 with 4 ks) had a better day than you did yesterday.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 29, 2007, 07:29:29 AM
Youk has a inside the park homerrun standing up -- never thought that would happen

I always get a kick out of inside the park HR's. It is always an adventure watching the batter run the bases and wondering if he'll make it. Hat's off to Youk.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 09:06:58 AM
Looking forward to Beckett's return from the DL, sounds like he'll be kept on a pitch count of 90-100 so not too much of a leash.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 09:15:16 AM
i'm crossing my fingers re Beckett and Paps, who to this untrained eye, seems "off" and not what he was in April.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 29, 2007, 09:42:30 AM
Whiskey,I guess I should have noticed he's wearing a D'Backs hat when you click his pic on Fox.Nice night for Trot all around.I read either on Fox or the Herald tonight that he was the last Red Sox player to hit an inside the park at Fenway befor Youks did it tonight.

Trot's was also standing up.

Great to see him last night.  Glad he got that sac fly down near the end of the bat with the bases juiced.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 10:16:46 AM
Yeah, hopefully Paps is just a little off and not a little something else.

Nice to be in a position that we can rest guys.  If things were a lot closer, I have a hard time seeing Beckett getting two starts off.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2007, 10:26:33 AM
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your equally preposterous idea that the sox were irresponsible in bidding $51MM for Dice-k
Did I say that?  Huh.  You can of course point to the post.


yes you did say that

and of course I can.

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And yet you don't seem to feel that way about Theo, even though the Sox owe a chunk of their current bulge (given the way the Yankees have spit the bit, they'd be in first without Dice-K) to his decision to drastically overspend for the rights to a pitcher,


boz-the major difference between here and Elba is when you post factually incorrect and generally inane posts about the Sox in Elba you are hailed as a sage, mostly because trish really doesn't know any better.

Here your garbage is challenged.

and the only thing I tried to rationalize, at least to myself, was your inability to do some pretty simple math.


boz-Hafner, (0-5 with 4 ks) had a better day than you did yesterday.
The difference between here and Elba is that you can pretend to have scored a point and get a chorus of RSN to back you up, no matter how off base.

They drastically overspent for the rights to Dice-K.  I never said they were irresponsible for doing so.  If you do not understand the difference there are a large number of on-line dictionaries that can help you.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 10:29:40 AM
How much do you think Dice-K would have been worth as a free agent? 

Would he have received a 6 year, $100m contract?

If not, what would he have received?




Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 29, 2007, 10:36:20 AM
I think spending 51 million when spending 40 million would have gotten you the same result is by definition "overpaying."

At the same time,  the extra 11 million could be considered an insurance  premium and thus hardly be viewed as "irresponsible". 

I'd say Matsusake has earned his money.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2007, 10:47:34 AM
And for the record, I have no problem with the Yankees and the Red Sox or the Mets or the Dodgers or the Rangers spending every freaking dime possible to get themselves a pennant.  I just find the attitude of some of the RSN laughable hipoc.. hyp... self-contradictory.  "Oh, Cahsman cannot be truly deemed a good GM because he has 200 mil to spend.  Theo, on the other hand, is a genius because he has only 180 mil to spend..."  Or whatever the numbers may be this year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on May 29, 2007, 10:47:59 AM
According to today's Wall Street Journal, John Henry's investment fund is losing its shirt. Merrill Lynch just pulled 600 milliion leaving the firm managing only 500 million from the 2.5 billion it managed a year ago.

I guess the Sox players should cash their paychecks right away  :o


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 10:50:32 AM
I think the boz's words were "drastically overspend"

but seeing that it was a blind bidding process and there's no benefit in coming in 2nd, paying a $12MM premium (or $2MM a year) to secure the rights to a 26 year old pitcher with 20 win potential seems a reasonable approach.

to me overpaying is the $51MM the Ys spent for 4 months of Clemens and 5 years of Iggy (the posting fee) .

but I suppose reasonable people may disagree.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 10:55:28 AM
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Oh, Cahsman cannot be truly deemed a good GM because he has 200 mil to spend.  Theo, on the other hand, is a genius because he has only 180 mil to spend..."  Or whatever the numbers may be this year.

boz just a little honesty on your part would be helpful here.

Yesterday, I said Theo should be held just as just accountable as Cashman for on-field results. I just felt that he made some better asset allocation choices.

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They drastically overspent for the rights to Dice-K.  I never said they were irresponsible for doing so.  If you do not understand the difference there are a large number of on-line dictionaries that can help you.

boz-your outrage that I interpreted your " drastically overspent" as meaning an "irresponsible" is pretty funny. it seems to be a reasonable interpretation of your words.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 29, 2007, 10:58:00 AM
I'm pretty sure I made clear my view that I think the Yankees spending for Clemens was overpaying, but (at the time-when they still had a reasonable chance) necessary.  Now it looks pretty stupid.

 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 11:04:54 AM
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The difference between here and Elba is that you can pretend to have scored a point and get a chorus of RSN to back you up, no matter how off base.

boz-just about every post you put up yesterday was wrong. And you were corrected.

and if you don't like it, then stop posting idiotic- fact free and content-free posts. Or you can go back to Elba and post the same shit and trish will marvel at your sagacity.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 11:13:13 AM
So what is the best theme song for the Yanks season right now, I was thinking 'Free Falling' sounds about right.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2007, 11:15:40 AM
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The difference between here and Elba is that you can pretend to have scored a point and get a chorus of RSN to back you up, no matter how off base.

boz-just about every post you put up yesterday was wrong. And you were corrected.

and if you don't like it, then stop posting idiotic- fact free and content-free posts. Or you can go back to Elba and post the same shit and trish will marvel at your sagacity.
The only thing wrong yesterday was that I overstated the difference between the Sox bid and the next highest.  Which you seized on, as always, to avoid having to fact the fact that your comments showed the standard two facedness the RSN constantly shows when comparing themselves to the Yankees.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 11:21:43 AM
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The only thing wrong yesterday was that I overstated the difference between the Sox bid and the next highest. 


Finally some truth from boz. An admission that you were wrong.

yesterday I told you that you were wrong at the time. But rather than admit such, you felt it neccesary to defend your mistake by saying it was as accurate as my saying that the Ys spend twice as much as their competition.

The only problem with your argument was you were incorrect and I was correct.

Which I then proved to you. Using the facts.

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to avoid having to fact the fact that your comments showed the standard two facedness the RSN constantly shows when comparing themselves to the Yankees

boz-this is a straw man argument

that the sox use similiar tactics as the Ys was conceded years ago. They had to, to compete in the AL East. They both use their economic power, to gain advantages. That was not contested. But the success of their choices were.

I asked yesterday and I'll ask again, what grades would you assign the GMs of the Ys/Sox/ Mets over the past few years?





Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 29, 2007, 11:27:37 AM
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The only thing wrong yesterday was that I overstated the difference between the Sox bid and the next highest. 


Finally some truth from boz. An admission that you were wrong.

yesterday I told you that you were wrong at the time. But rather than admit such, you felt it neccesary to defend your mistake by saying it was as accurate as my saying that the Ys spend twice as much as their competition.

The only problem with your argument was you were incorrect and I was correct.

Which I then proved to you. Using the facts.





Yes, you did a nice job of scrambling after I called you out on your hyperbole.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 29, 2007, 11:29:41 AM
If I were Cashman (plus whatever combination of other wise heads Cashman needs to get buy-in from these days), and if I could do it, I would pull the plug on the Clemens deal. Clemens is not going to get this team to the promised land, and that $26M or whatever it is could be put to better use down the road.

Is this even possible (not that I expect Cashman will do what I would do)? Some guy over at NYYFans.com maintains that Cashman has the power to welsh on the deal. Does anyone know the terms?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 11:33:48 AM
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Yes, you did a nice job of scrambling after I called you out on your hyperbole.

boz-I just backed up my statement/opinion with facts. I understood at the time, that was something that was impossible for you to do.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 11:40:55 AM
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Some guy over at NYYFans.com maintains that Cashman has the power to welsh on the deal. Does anyone know the terms?

even if he could pull-out (a Clemens interuptus as it were) Cashman can't, as doing so would be an admission that the season's over, and it might be, but they cant'  say so before June 1st.

this Y-offensive funk seems hard to fathom.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 11:42:52 AM
If I were Cashman (plus whatever combination of other wise heads Cashman needs to get buy-in from these days), and if I could do it, I would pull the plug on the Clemens deal. Clemens is not going to get this team to the promised land, and that $26M or whatever it is could be put to better use down the road.

Is this even possible (not that I expect Cashman will do what I would do)? Some guy over at NYYFans.com maintains that Cashman has the power to welsh on the deal. Does anyone know the terms?

He was signed to a minor league contract, correct? 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 29, 2007, 11:43:02 AM
And for the record, I have no problem with the Yankees and the Red Sox or the Mets or the Dodgers or the Rangers spending every freaking dime possible to get themselves a pennant.  I just find the attitude of some of the RSN laughable hipoc.. hyp... self-contradictory.  "Oh, Cahsman cannot be truly deemed a good GM because he has 200 mil to spend.  Theo, on the other hand, is a genius because he has only 180 mil to spend..."  Or whatever the numbers may be this year.
FTR, I do have a problem with this. (And yes, I know that the Sox spent a ton of cash last off-season and seasons prior.) There needs to be a salary cap (LIKE EVERY OTHER SPORT) to remove this competitive imbalance.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 11:48:34 AM
As far as I can tell through googling, the Yanks have the right to void it within 30 days by citing medical reasons.  There is always the possibility that it has side language like Villone's which stated that he'd become a free agent if not brought to the majors.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 29, 2007, 11:49:01 AM
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Some guy over at NYYFans.com maintains that Cashman has the power to welsh on the deal. Does anyone know the terms?

even if he could pull-out (a Clemens interuptus as it were) Cashman can't, as doing so would be an admission that the season's over, and it might be, but they cant'  say so before June 1st.

this Y-offensive funk seems hard to fathom.

Basically, I think you're right, and I doubt that it's legally possible for the Yanks to pull out. But PR and contract law aside, as somebody said recently (I don't know whether it was here), it's good to know when to fold. In my opinion, exorbitantly paying a 45-year-old would-be savior under these circumstances is a horrendously bad move. It seems to me if he could fold now, he would.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 11:49:43 AM
And for the record, I have no problem with the Yankees and the Red Sox or the Mets or the Dodgers or the Rangers spending every freaking dime possible to get themselves a pennant.  I just find the attitude of some of the RSN laughable hipoc.. hyp... self-contradictory.  "Oh, Cahsman cannot be truly deemed a good GM because he has 200 mil to spend.  Theo, on the other hand, is a genius because he has only 180 mil to spend..."  Or whatever the numbers may be this year.
FTR, I do have a problem with this. (And yes, I know that the Sox spent a ton of cash last off-season and seasons prior.) There needs to be a salary cap (LIKE EVERY OTHER SPORT) to remove this competitive imbalance.

I think there should be a salary floor to force teams that are collecting from revenue sharing to dump back into their teams.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 11:51:58 AM
while a 13 game lead seems safe, the WC is what ~ 7 games away, and a rotation of Rocket, Wang, Moose Andy could close the gap.   


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:05:26 PM
It would be pretty funny if the Yanks were stuck trying to deal Clemens by the deadline


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 29, 2007, 12:07:06 PM
Cleveland and Detroit look like the real deal, and CWS/Minn are good too. Going to be enormously tough to wrest the WC from that group.

Whisk - was Schill just good last night, or were the Tribe batters a trifle impatient? I am impressed that they mounted serious threats in both the 8th and 9th. Anyone else just screaming at romero for those walks?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 29, 2007, 12:09:32 PM
while a 13 game lead seems safe, the WC is what ~ 7 games away, and a rotation of Rocket, Wang, Moose Andy could close the gap.   

Could. I don't think it will. We'll see.

It's one thing to be seven games behind one team. The Yanks are behind seven teams, and at least a couple of them are good.

I recognize that I'm tempting evil fate by talking this way, and I feel compelled to state that I know the Yanks have a chance. But my point isn't that they have no chance, just that I think their chance is slim enough that paying for Clemens to pursue it is not a sound strategy.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:17:03 PM
The Yanks are 7 games behind .500 and not exactly closing fast


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 29, 2007, 12:19:54 PM
You have to be a good team to make up 7 games and leap over 7 teams.  The Yankees aren't a good team.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: 17.ks on May 29, 2007, 12:20:36 PM
Clemens stated last year that playing for a team that is not in playoff contention is "a waste of time".  He said he would rather not play at all than just go through the motions to play out the season.  Maybe he might change his mind and come to a mutual agreement with Cashman.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:27:19 PM
Pedroia is on fire, I can't believe he's already gotten his average up to .298 after an abysmal start in April


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 12:29:30 PM
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The Yanks are behind seven teams, and at least a couple of them are good.

good point. The Tribe & Tigers are going to be hard to catch, but with that rotation and that line-up putting together some winnig streaks doesn't seem crazy.

What's crazy is that a team with that much talent has a 21-28 record.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:31:31 PM
Looks like we have history on our side -- at least in terms of making the World Series.  Only the 1946 Sox bolted out to a better record.  And the current W-L record matches that of the '86 team.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:33:31 PM
What's crazy is that a team with that much talent has a 21-28 record.

Even crazier is that they are losing games because of their offense or lack thereof


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 12:39:03 PM
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Even crazier is that they are losing games because of their offense or lack thereof

and if not for ARod's unworldy April...

we've all seen teams slump before, but this slump/whatever from a team with so many good hitters (and some guys having really good years) was totally unexpected.

what's the line, since you can't fire the players...

I wonder how safe Torre really is?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:42:05 PM
I think Torre is safe for now.  Cashman is another story.  With Steinbrenner lighting a fire under his behind, I wonder if we'll start seeing the whole develop from within philosphy thrown out the window in order to try and salvage the season and save his job.


Title: City's in funk as Bombers bombing
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:43:54 PM
The Yankees are in free fall, and they are taking the fortunes of many New Yorkers with them.

"A lot of my regulars are disgusted," said Joe Bastone, 48, of the Bronx, owner of the Yankee Tavern. "They don't want to come if the team is losing. It's just not the hot ticket in town."

Instead of scalping tickets for double or triple their price, season-ticket holders flood craigslist with offers to unload Yankees tickets at or below face value.

"If they keep losing, I'll sell my tickets or give them away," said season-ticket holder Galo Delgado, 30, of Manhattan. "It's worse to come up here than to watch it on TV."

"Everyone is disgusted and they don't want to spend money," said Abdul Traore, surrounded by discounted Yankees gear at his Jeans Plus store on E. 161st St. by the Stadium. "When the Yankees win, people show up. When they lose, everybody is just mad."


http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/05/29/2007-05-29_citys_in_funk_as_bombers_bombing-1.html



Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 29, 2007, 12:48:49 PM
Hmmm. Yankee fans staying away if the team doesn't win? What a surprise.

EDIT: Just to clarify, my experience with NYC fans is that they go with the hot team. They have so many teams that one is usually doing pretty well. People will take their clients to see the Mets this year.

Anyone else having a bit of trouble accessing this site today?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 29, 2007, 12:49:06 PM
Clemens stated last year that playing for a team that is not in playoff contention is "a waste of time".  He said he would rather not play at all than just go through the motions to play out the season.  Maybe he might change his mind and come to a mutual agreement with Cashman.

Clemens has stated many things over the years, and oddly enough, some of them have seemed at variance with reality. One of his recent statements was "If you think this is about money, you are seriously mistaken." Call me seriously mistaken, but I think Roger wants that $18M.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 12:49:20 PM
if Torre's safe now, will he ever be in jeopardy?

I know he got a vote of confidence last week, but...

and if Cashman goes into hyper-drive to do mid-season deals beyond Clemens (like presumably trading youth for vets-supposedly Helton is coveted), that could set them back for '08 and beyond.

sometimes you just say 'its not our year" (like Theo did last year) and don't do the deal, and plan in the off-season to get better.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 29, 2007, 12:51:10 PM
I think Torre will be fired by the end of this week and Cashman will last the season and be fired afterwards. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:53:59 PM
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and if Cashman goes into hyper-drive to do mid-season deals beyond Clemens (like presumably trading youth for vets-supposedly Helton is coveted), that could set them back for '08 and beyond.

There are rumors that the Rangers are considering parting with Teixeira


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 12:54:59 PM
I think Torre will be fired by the end of this week and Cashman will last the season and be fired afterwards. 

I kind of agree, if the Ys play like this on the road and get beaten up by the sox this coming week-end, Torre may take the hit. and Cash's leash is real short.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 12:55:08 PM
If Cash was fired, who would replace him?  Gene Michael?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 29, 2007, 12:55:51 PM
I think Torre will be fired by the end of this week and Cashman will last the season and be fired afterwards. 

Ridiculous

Joe stays - and Fat Mike's mistaken - a GM can take a midseason fall and have it be a rational maneuver by ownership.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 29, 2007, 12:57:14 PM
I think Torre will be fired by the end of this week and Cashman will last the season and be fired afterwards. 

And then Yankguy will throw away the bottle of VichYankee water, and he and I will walk away from the plane and I'll say "Celerino, I think this may be the start of a beautiful friendship." Of course, he'll have me on ignore, but at least I can talk to his avatar.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 29, 2007, 01:02:07 PM
I think Torre will be fired by the end of this week and Cashman will last the season and be fired afterwards. 

My experience tells me they'll make some move that I will gloat over (i.e. trading for Chacon or Abreu) and that it will bite me hard on the ass.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 01:03:11 PM
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If Cash was fired, who would replace him?  Gene Michael?

Hank or Hal. IMO Dad wants them to learn the business.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 29, 2007, 01:07:38 PM
I think firing Torre is ridiculous as well.  At the same time I believe it will be done.

Cashman has done a lot more wrong than Torre has but while it has been done (Steve Phillips) occasionally firing GMs during the season are far less frequent than firing the manager.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 01:11:44 PM
Torre is a lame duck anyway


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 01:13:43 PM
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If Cash was fired, who would replace him?  Gene Michael?

Hank or Hal. IMO Dad wants them to learn the business.

I think Hank and Hal are the only reason Dad hasn't fired Cash


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 09:15:57 PM
Wow I really know how to clear a room


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 10:09:30 PM
Impressive performance by Beckett.  Sowers looked good out there too.  Pen gets the job done again.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 10:11:16 PM
Youk is having an all-star season, but with Papi on the ballot, it looks like he'll be relying on his peers to get in the game.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 10:20:41 PM
liq-just spray some air freshner

some serious channel surfing this PM

Becket''s back with a beauty

and Youks is in one of those grooves, he hitting everything

Pettite got snakebit again, pitched a real nice game, but...

real ballsy call on Hill's steal of home

and not that i'm superstitious, but wish that lead was at least 1/2 game larger



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 29, 2007, 10:28:48 PM
Understandable, but this Red Sox team has much better pitching. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 10:33:14 PM
the staff in '78 was pretty good.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/1978.shtml

the manager sucked though.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 11:02:03 PM
and the legend of Armando Benitez grows

balks in the tieing run in the 12th then gives up W-O-HR


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 29, 2007, 11:06:28 PM
Are you kidding me?  The lead grows more?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 29, 2007, 11:11:23 PM
Thought Torre had to bring Rivera tonight in the 8th.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 29, 2007, 11:21:33 PM
my 2 concerns right now:

over-using Okajima while saving Paps.

and is Paps ok?

So far Tito has done a deft balancing act, and kept all the plates spinning, but I wonder how it plays out later in the year, when we'll get stretchs when the starters don't go 7+.

TGFDDGL!!!!!


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 29, 2007, 11:35:29 PM
Dick Drago is one I'd forgotten about from that 78 staff.I'll never forget watching a game from the Cape most likely on a bar stool at The Surf Club in P-Town and one of the Red Sox voices mentioned something about Drago going into his windup but forgot to use the R in the name to which the other talking head without missing a beat said"A little freudian slip there"


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 29, 2007, 11:51:15 PM
With a double digit lead if there were a physical problem with Pap, he'd be on the DL real, real fast. He pitched in 3 of the previous 4 games, not a sign of a pitcher with an injury.

I think his struggles, as it were, are a combination of uneven command of his fastball and batters having a better idea of his repertoire. The former is fixed by working on his mechanics, the latter by making adjustments.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 30, 2007, 01:50:54 AM
I just saw the weekend matchups and Tavarez is being skipped.Wang vs Wakefield,Moose vs Schilling and Pettite vs Beckett.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 30, 2007, 02:16:17 AM
A win on Wed. would give the Sox their longest winning streak of the year.I was just looking at August though and the Sox have 9 and 10 game road trips that month.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 08:28:01 AM
Well, I guess the Toronto trip had some redeeming features for Arod.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 08:58:27 AM
Well, I guess the Toronto trip had some redeeming features for Arod.

did Arod find the meaning of life north of the border? Or a good restaurant?

file this under really bad second guessing/nit picking: Arod should have let that 8th inning bunt roll a little longer, the guy reaching 1st wasn't that important, the guy reachig 3rd was.






Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 09:10:33 AM
Maybe the Yankees should just roll over and go back to bed, set the alarm for 2008.  Metaphorically speaking.

Meanwhile, my wife decided to switch sat. providers, to get the one that offers Polish language programming.  The problem is, STO, which provides Indians games, isn't in the package she ordered.   This will not stand.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 09:32:41 AM
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Maybe the Yankees should just roll over and go back to bed, set the alarm for 2008.

fwiw, FFF thinks the Magic # is 15GB (for the AL East). I don't know what the Magic # is but that race seems about over. Which is both good and bad.

But the the Ys got a shot at making either the Tribe or Detroit's (or the just about the whole AL Central for that matter) summer a lot more more uncomfortable/interesting than a last place team should.

btw, what's the best TV show on Polish TV?

edit: IMO some electro-shock therapy is in the offing, or maybe Miracle Max will be named the new Y-Performance Guru.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 09:40:20 AM
bs -

Is the point of your avatar that the Red Sox are a bunch of big dicks, or have I misinterpreted it?

Haven't had the new Polish station long enough.  When we had a different station before, I was rather fond of Zlotoposlka (more or less) if for no other reason, the subtitles.  Personally, I'm hoping they rerun the old kid's show that featured the current President and Prime Minister of Poland as child actors.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 09:43:47 AM
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or have I misinterpreted it?

your were close.

legend had it that Mr. Holmes had a 14 inch weiner.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 09:49:29 AM
The only difference between this year and 1965 is that that year the U.S.A. was mired in an unwinnable civil war....

wait a minute.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 09:54:10 AM
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or have I misinterpreted it?

your were close.

legend had it that Mr. Holmes had a 14 inch weiner.
Well, your current obsession with large penises is... interesting.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 09:58:36 AM
boz-there's not a lot of good "14" references out there- I could have gone with Wilson's "14 points"-but I thought it might be lost on the crowd-and as you showed Mr. Holmes unique talent is fairly well known.

edit: looks like Woodrow can throw a splitter


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 30, 2007, 10:24:27 AM
Meanwhile, my wife decided to switch sat. providers, to get the one that offers Polish language programming.  The problem is, STO, which provides Indians games, isn't in the package she ordered.   This will not stand.

Although I genuinely feel your pain, this might be the funniest thing I have ever heard.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 10:53:11 AM
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or have I misinterpreted it?

your were close.

legend had it that Mr. Holmes had a 14 inch weiner.
Well, your current obsession with large penises is... interesting.

Coming from the guy with an obsession with elephant semen.....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 30, 2007, 10:54:44 AM

Coming from the guy with an obsession with elephant semen.....

Gack. Was that in the subtitles?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 10:55:22 AM
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or have I misinterpreted it?

your were close.

legend had it that Mr. Holmes had a 14 inch weiner.
Well, your current obsession with large penises is... interesting.

Coming from the guy with an obsession with elephant semen.....
Oh that was sooo two weeks ago.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 10:56:02 AM

Coming from the guy with an obsession with elephant semen.....

Gack. Was that in the subtitles?
Let's just say this Board's Creative Writing forum is, well, is.... worth a gander.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
BTW, looks like that sweep you predicted is close to fruition....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:02:52 AM
Meanwhile, my wife decided to switch sat. providers, to get the one that offers Polish language programming.  The problem is, STO, which provides Indians games, isn't in the package she ordered.   This will not stand.

Although I genuinely feel your pain, this might be the funniest thing I have ever heard.

I find boz missing the last 2 games because of this Polish TV gambit by Mrs. Boz, just a little too convenient...

btw, can we infer from the satellite company's offerings that Polish TV fans in Ohio aren't Indian fans? 

and elephant semen?

and my avatars are questioned?

heh


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 11:10:02 AM
So, who gets fired first - Torre, Garner, or Washington?


Title: As Yanks Slide, Report of A-Rod Affair
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 11:13:02 AM
The New York Post ran a front-page bombshell exclusive today with photos of Yankee third baseman and all-star Alex Rodriguez apparently visiting a strip club in Toronto on Sunday night with an unidentified blonde woman. The headline dubbed the high-priced talent "Stray-Rod."

"The cozy duo dined with two pals at a pricey steakhouse late Sunday night," the Post reported, "then headed to a glitzy strip club before making their way to his hotel, where the pair ducked into an elevator and headed upstairs just after midnight."


http://www.abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=3225649&page=1


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:17:53 AM
I guess that's what pk was referring to.

IMO Arod should have taken the whole club to the club-it might have been a good bonding, chemistry builder for the team.

edit: I just stopped into the "creative writing" forum, its all that and more, way more.

very creative boz-heh


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 11:20:39 AM
Kind of funny that he's staying at the Four Seasons while the rest of the club is at the Hyatt


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 11:26:33 AM
Looking forward to the picture of A-Rod with Lindsay Lohan.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 11:29:27 AM
I guess today we learned that bank doesn't pick up the Post on the way to work. Must be a NYT subscriber.

BTW, this story is ridiculous. Even if true, Arod is holding up a fine tradition established by ball players from the beginning of time. No one cares what these guys do off the field. It is their business.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:30:16 AM
that "blonde's" arms are bigger than Arod's. I bet "she" can swing the bat.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 11:30:23 AM
God love the New York Post.  Alexander Hamilton must be rolling over in his grave.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 11:31:49 AM
Pick up the Herald some time.....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 30, 2007, 11:32:24 AM
This is gripping stuff, for sure, but it's not really satisfying my craving for more Anna Nicole Smith news.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:33:44 AM
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This is gripping stuff,

this is the downside to a double-digit lead


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 11:34:44 AM
The only thing I'm worried about is that this is going to be a distraction for the Yankees and cause their level of play to fall off.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 11:36:02 AM
I also took a gander at the Creative Writing forum. Now I see what it takes to become a hero member.

PS. Was the blonde's name Mystique or Aura?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 11:37:20 AM
I find boz missing the last 2 games because of this Polish TV gambit by Mrs. Boz, just a little too convenient...

btw, can we infer from the satellite company's offerings that Polish TV fans in Ohio aren't Indian fans? 

and elephant semen?

and my avatars are questioned?

heh
Actually, only last night's; I was at a Memorial Day cookout Monday night and didn't get back until after midnight.  They had the Stanley Cup game on. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:40:57 AM
maybe Arods tryst in Toronto may trigger the morals clause,


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:46:06 AM
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They had the Stanley Cup game on. 


I wouldn't know which cable station to find the Stanley Cup.

IMO arena football and the WNBA has eclipsed hockey. Hell, field hockey may have eclipsed hockey.

where have you gone Gordy Howe?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 11:48:59 AM
I saw a arena football clone over the weekend.  The NE Surge beat the Stubenville Stampede 86-0.  What a game....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 11:49:43 AM
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They had the Stanley Cup game on. 


I wouldn't know which cable station to find the Stanley Cup.

IMO arena football and the WNBA has eclipsed hockey. Hell, field hockey may have eclipsed hockey.

where have you gone Gordy Howe?

Way too much expansion imho.  The talent pool is way too diluted


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:52:31 AM
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Actually, only last night's;


boz-have moclamoose give you the details about the Saux and Beckett. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 11:58:06 AM
I'd love to hear what he thinks of the third place team...


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 11:59:39 AM
whatever he thinks, there's a 90% chance he'd be wrong.

For a reputedly educated person, he may have been the worst poster ever.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 12:06:53 PM
Yeah, him and Elvis


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 12:07:23 PM
where have you gone Gordy Howe?
"I must leave you.  Why I cannot say.  Where I am going you cannot know.  How I will get there I haven't decided yet.  But one thing I can tell you, any time I hear the wind blow it will whisper the name... Edna.  And so let us part with a love that will echo through the ages."

- Gordie Howe.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
where have you gone Gordy Howe?
"I must leave you.  Why I cannot say.  Where I am going you cannot know.  How I will get there I haven't decided yet.  But one thing I can tell you, any time I hear the wind blow it will whisper the name... Edna.  And so let us part with a love that will echo through the ages."

- Gordie Howe.

thanks-I figured maybe he was doing color for the Red Wings or maybe hustling condos in Florida


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 12:17:57 PM
I'd like to make a claim for damonsdisciple. Fervent Red Sox fan who insisted the Yankees were the better team and took absolutely no joy in a comeback from 0-3.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 30, 2007, 12:26:46 PM
I'd like to make a claim for damonsdisciple. Fervent Red Sox fan who insisted the Yankees were the better team and took absolutely no joy in a comeback from 0-3.



That person probably thinks the Yankees are going to take the division.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 12:26:54 PM
Back in '97,  the Orioles had some fans who frequently posted on the Times forum.  One of whom, whose user name was OOly, I believe, remains at the head of my list as "worst poster ever."  Of course that was back when the Orioles were good, not like now.  Lousy teams never have any posters.

 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 12:30:27 PM
What about Wisk in '06?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 12:31:27 PM
Back in '97,  the Orioles had some fans who frequently posted on the Times forum.  One of whom, whose user name was OOly, I believe, remains at the head of my list as "worst poster ever."  Of course that was back when the Orioles were good, not like now.  Lousy teams never have any posters.

 

The Orioles are in second place in the division....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 12:32:38 PM
OOly is vaguely familiar

pepper (Y-fan) and bronx bumpies (sox) were a pretty good matched set


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 12:35:06 PM
I think you missed the sarcasm present in my "lousy teams never have posters" statement.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 12:36:56 PM
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I think you missed the sarcasm


its possible that liq felt kicking a guy in the nuts after the guy had his wallet heisted is uncalled for.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 12:38:39 PM
I think you missed the sarcasm present in my "lousy teams never have posters" statement.

Apparently...


Title: Re: American League
Post by: 26 on May 30, 2007, 01:10:18 PM
The only difference between this year and 1965 is that that year the U.S.A. was mired in an unwinnable civil war....

wait a minute.

I was thinking about 1965 the other day.  I was just a young lad in 1964, so losing the WS was a bummer, but I missed any harbingers of the total demise I was to witness in '65.  It was almost surreal, not possible that this team was not on top all of a sudden.  and we waited and waited and ...... suddenly it was 1978.

This one is almost even more incomprehensible.  You might argue you could see the demise coming due to aging stars, but I'll bet no one (other than in their wildest fantasy) could have accurate predicted that this complete unhinging could occur.    I'm very tempted to believe there is a major cancer in the clubhouse that is affecting everyone that we are not aware of yet.  I cannot imagine everyone at once failing to hit.  They're tentative, scared to make a play, they're so concerned about lack of production they don't usually move runners along and give up an out to get a run at a time, and Joe is so scared of getting three runs behind he's taking guys out in the fifth who really aren't doing terribly.  Then comes the "pen."  (Gives relief a whole new meaning.)

I wonder where most of the Y fans have gone, because I'd like somebody to post a scenario whereby "not to worry, they'll be back."  I think maybe all fans short of Trish may have seen the light by now.  With 29 losses, it is guaranteed they cannot be at .500 until 58 games IF they win 8 in a row.  How long can we hear "we just need to start winning" from Torre and Jeter? 

Although I supported some of these moves, looking back, it surely makes the Shef trade look foolish (I was in favor of Abreu replacing him) and it makes the Sox look brilliant for dumping Damon after taking heat last year with the Crispy one failing to meet expectations.  (I was ambivalent about Damon.)  At least the move to get rid of RJ and pick up Pettitte looks sensible. 

Question for anyone of a mind to have a dialogue:  Steinie pulls the plug on Cashman and calls you to replace him.  Given the roster, contracts and state of the team, what would you attempt to do to make this season respectable (without spending 400MM to get one star over 40 in July) and what would be your plan to get back on track for next year? 

Meanwhile, I will continue to drink, pondering how this could happen to the "best lineup ever."


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 01:13:27 PM
Just read a transcript of an interview Francona gave on EEI. He said the Indians lineup is the best in the league. I have to agree (although we haven't seen CWS yet). Schill and Beckett pitched great, and the Tribe almost won both. Scary moments with both Pap and Okajima - and they are great RP's. Imagine how tough they'll be when their 1 or 2 are on the mound.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 01:17:15 PM
I don't think winning the division is possible in the next couple of seasons....so rather than trying to make this year look cosmetically respectable by acquiring more aging, expensive guys, I would start purging.  TO that end, I'd make everybody except Jeter, Cano, Hughes, A-Rod (for contractual issues mostly) and, maybe, Wang, available and see what kind of young talent could be had for it.  That would be step 1.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 01:23:17 PM
I would start by looking for deals for Pettitte, Mussina, Clemens, Farnsworth and Rivera. These guys all have value and are all not in next year's plan. They can all help a contending team. Imagine what Cleveland might give up to get Rivera.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 01:36:59 PM
I would start by looking for deals for Pettitte, Mussina, Clemens, Farnsworth and Rivera. These guys all have value and are all not in next year's plan. They can all help a contending team. Imagine what Cleveland might give up to get Rivera.

Andy could be in the Y's plans for next year, and who knows if he was traded he may decide to pack it in. Not sure how much you could get for him.

The market for Clemens before his $28MM contract was pretty slim, and unless the Ys subsidize his contract now, IMO he pitchs for them for 4 months and then really retires.

Moose has some value, but he's been erratic, I wouldn't be giving up real good prospects for 1+ years.

Trading Mo would likely bring the most, but would be the most diificult deal to pull the trigger on.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 01:59:58 PM
I don't think its going to happen.  If Cashman really had 'sole authority' -- perhaps -- but with Steinbrenner pulling his strings I think we are more likely to see prospects jettisoned in favor of a playoff push - no matter how slight the odds


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 02:14:59 PM
I don't think its going to happen.  If Cashman really had 'sole authority' -- perhaps -- but with Steinbrenner pulling his strings I think we are more likely to see prospects jettisoned in favor of a playoff push - no matter how slight the odds
You are probably right; the problem is that  the Yankees are significantly behind several teams in the playoff hunt that, even healthy, the Yankees are not better than.  Going to be hard to jump that many.

I'd like to see the Tribe doing better, but I knew we were in for a tough row to hoe when I saw the pitching matchups.  Fortunately, the Tribe is 12-2 so far against Chicago, Detroit, and Minnesota.  If we keep that up, we'll be o.k.  Nice to have our best starters going against Detroit two weekends in a row.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 30, 2007, 02:15:43 PM
I would start by looking for deals for Pettitte, Mussina, Clemens, Farnsworth and Rivera.

Apart from what I presume to be the fact that Clemens can't be traded without his consent, I would say he is 100% untradeable. The only other teams capable of absorbing that contract aren't dumb enough to do so and have no need to anyway.

If Pettitte continues through the season to pitch as well as he has so far, I'd expect the Yanks to bring him back (do they have a club option?). They need more of a veteran presence than Wang (and for the presence to be reasonably fluent in English probably wouldn't hurt) to help anchor the young pitching staff they're expecting to feature. I guess it's likely they'll add a free agent starter or two, but still, Pettitte has that "can play in New York" certificate. I gotta say, that guy is one tough S.O.B. He battles like a pit bull.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 02:24:09 PM
Personally, I don't think the Yanks really are as bad as their record states.  I think the Yanks will eventually start playing above .500 ball - what I don't think is that it will be enough to counter how poorly they've played up until this point.  I think the Yanks will finish somewhere in the early to mid 80s in wins when it is all said and done -- which of course still likely means no playoff berth.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 30, 2007, 02:24:52 PM
The only difference between this year and 1965 is that that year the U.S.A. was mired in an unwinnable civil war....

wait a minute.

I was thinking about 1965 the other day.  I was just a young lad in 1964, so losing the WS was a bummer, but I missed any harbingers of the total demise I was to witness in '65.  It was almost surreal, not possible that this team was not on top all of a sudden.  and we waited and waited and ...... suddenly it was 1978.

This one is almost even more incomprehensible.  You might argue you could see the demise coming due to aging stars, but I'll bet no one (other than in their wildest fantasy) could have accurate predicted that this complete unhinging could occur.    I'm very tempted to believe there is a major cancer in the clubhouse that is affecting everyone that we are not aware of yet.  I cannot imagine everyone at once failing to hit.  They're tentative, scared to make a play, they're so concerned about lack of production they don't usually move runners along and give up an out to get a run at a time, and Joe is so scared of getting three runs behind he's taking guys out in the fifth who really aren't doing terribly.  Then comes the "pen."  (Gives relief a whole new meaning.)

I wonder where most of the Y fans have gone, because I'd like somebody to post a scenario whereby "not to worry, they'll be back."  I think maybe all fans short of Trish may have seen the light by now.  With 29 losses, it is guaranteed they cannot be at .500 until 58 games IF they win 8 in a row.  How long can we hear "we just need to start winning" from Torre and Jeter? 

Although I supported some of these moves, looking back, it surely makes the Shef trade look foolish (I was in favor of Abreu replacing him) and it makes the Sox look brilliant for dumping Damon after taking heat last year with the Crispy one failing to meet expectations.  (I was ambivalent about Damon.)  At least the move to get rid of RJ and pick up Pettitte looks sensible. 

Question for anyone of a mind to have a dialogue:  Steinie pulls the plug on Cashman and calls you to replace him.  Given the roster, contracts and state of the team, what would you attempt to do to make this season respectable (without spending 400MM to get one star over 40 in July) and what would be your plan to get back on track for next year? 

Meanwhile, I will continue to drink, pondering how this could happen to the "best lineup ever."

Major cancer in the clubhouse

NAH

Combine:

no juice

no true leadership

swoons due

A few poor, unfortunate, whateveryouwannacallit player moves

Yanks could easily be back in '08.  Would be nice if they're not.


Title: Yankees are paying price for refusing to play hardball
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 02:36:10 PM
Hindsight being as eagle-eyed as it is, it's easy to see just where the present-day Yankees went wrong. They tried to restock their farm system and compete at the big league level at the same time. They pulled away from what they do best -- nobody bullies people in baseball with a checkbook quite like the guys in the pinstriped front office, whether it's in the free-agent market or at the trade table -- and that's costing them now.

Face it: These Yankees are dead meat. They might not be completely done, at 14½ games out of first place in the AL East and 8½ behind the wild-card leader with June 1 peeking around the corner. But if I'm looking for medium-well done, this thing already is too far gone. I'm sending it back.

Let's look, with some of that unerring hindsight, at just some of the ways that the Yankees have burned this baby:


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/john_donovan/05/30/yankees.mistakes/


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 02:56:59 PM
I think it comes down to pitching. Right now they have two pitchers for the coming years, Wang and Hughes. As whisk would tell us, you can't count on Hughes yet. And who can you really count on in the bullpen? 

They need pitchers. You got to give up something valuable to get them. I think the older pitchers would bring in something. Look at the deal for RJ.

I sure hope they trade prospects and try to turn this season around. Then we get to answer bb's question next year too.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 30, 2007, 03:04:41 PM
Whiskey,I'm impressed you can recall the whole letter Bart wrote to Mrs.Krabapple  giving her the brushoff while posing as Gordie Howe her mystery man.Isn't that the same episode where Homer exclaims"Krabapple!,Oh I've been calling her Crabapple!"


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 03:11:57 PM
I think it comes down to pitching. Right now they have two pitchers for the coming years, Wang and Hughes. As whisk would tell us, you can't count on Hughes yet. And who can you really count on in the bullpen? 

They need pitchers. You got to give up something valuable to get them. I think the older pitchers would bring in something. Look at the deal for RJ.

I sure hope they trade prospects and try to turn this season around. Then we get to answer bb's question next year too.



Wang is good, but he's not a real ace, at least in the real tradition of aces (IMO he more 2-3-ish)

Hughes is still a prospect/question mark but with a high ceiling.

IMO Roger and Andy are about untradeable

Moose- maybe

the problem remains you trade some of the older fellows, who's starting?

Rasner's out

Iggy's not even a major leaguer in the braintrust's eyes.  

DeSalvo?

Clippard?

don't see the Ys totally tossing the season to the rookies or the wolves.

going around the horn

Posada'a a FA, having a great season but how many great seasons is reasonable to get from a 36 year old catcher.

Giambi-they'd love to rade him but he won't bring much

Cano's a keeper

Jeter will get buried in a Y-uniform

Arod won't

Matsui has value but he could have a limited market

Damon's value diminishes as we speak

but its not as low as Abreau's


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 03:13:16 PM
Igawa hasn't been anything special in AAA let alone in the majors


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 03:22:08 PM
Whiskey,I'm impressed you can recall the whole letter Bart wrote to Mrs.Krabapple  giving her the brushoff while posing as Gordie Howe her mystery man.Isn't that the same episode where Homer exclaims"Krabapple!,Oh I've been calling her Crabapple!"
Dude.  Google.

Also, don't remember if Homer said that, but I do recall Homer's versions of the letter were "Dear Loser: Welcome Dumpsville, population: You." and "Three words: I am gay."


Title: Re: Yankees are paying price for refusing to play hardball
Post by: srnich on May 30, 2007, 03:34:07 PM
Hindsight being as eagle-eyed as it is, it's easy to see just where the present-day Yankees went wrong. They tried to restock their farm system and compete at the big league level at the same time. They pulled away from what they do best -- nobody bullies people in baseball with a checkbook quite like the guys in the pinstriped front office, whether it's in the free-agent market or at the trade table -- and that's costing them now.

Face it: These Yankees are dead meat. They might not be completely done, at 14½ games out of first place in the AL East and 8½ behind the wild-card leader with June 1 peeking around the corner. But if I'm looking for medium-well done, this thing already is too far gone. I'm sending it back.

Let's look, with some of that unerring hindsight, at just some of the ways that the Yankees have burned this baby:



You think you all got it bad... You could all be SF Giants fans.... :-[


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 03:57:46 PM
My bottom line is that you got to grow your own pitching. To trade for a good young pitcher will cost you a talent like HanRam. Free agent pickups will net you more Pavano's/Clement's than Foulke's (and he was a one year phenomenon).

pS. That's why you pay $51 million when a Daisuke becomes available.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 30, 2007, 03:58:48 PM
That's also why you don't trade a young pitcher with potential for Willy Mo Pena.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 04:03:25 PM
Arroyo was hardly a front of the rotation starter -- at least in the AL


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 30, 2007, 04:12:28 PM
That's also why you don't trade a young pitcher with potential for Willy Mo Pena.

I'm going to blame the whole thing on David Wells, who, incidentally, turned 44 ten days ago, and many happy returns, Boomer, you big....

Ahem. Whiskey, you probably won't find many Sox fans maintaining that the Arroyo-Pena trade was a good one. But to label Arroyo "a young pitcher with potential" (that is what you were doing, right?) is misleading. He was 29 at the time of the trade, and his potential had been reached and exploited. The Sox knew what he was, and deemed it expendable. Certainly the way last season went, he would have helped, but not nearly enough to make it anything other than a very disappointing season for Sox fans.

The Sox' misjudgment last year was far more a matter of relying on an over-the-hill Wells and a broken Clement than of trading Arroyo. I was on record before the trade with my lack of confidence in that pitching staff.


Title: CUT-BLOAT BIZ
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 04:13:26 PM
http://www.nypost.com/seven/05302007/sports/yankees/cut_bloat_biz_yankees_joel_sherman.htm


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 04:17:01 PM
As I said last week, I don't think trading Arroyo was wrong, I just think they could've gotten  better player(s) for him.   


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 04:27:39 PM
I admit in hindsight that if the Reds didn't feel he was an everyday player that the Red Sox probably had no business trading for him.  The more I see of him the more he reminds me of Pedro Cerrano from Major League


Title: If inclined, Yankees would need Rocket's OK on trade
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 04:31:19 PM
But if they ever reached the point where they wanted to move salary, Roger Clemens will not be among the players they could move without permission.

The 44-year-old Clemens has a no-trade clause in his contract negotiated for this season, according to sources.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2887224


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 04:32:27 PM
Quote
That's also why you don't trade a young pitcher with potential for Willy Mo Pena.

while it seems that one has not worked out, neither was it a disaster. While  WMP has regressed from last year (lack of playing time?)  last year the sox appeared stocked in pitching (Arroyo was a #5 in the AL and slipping on the sox depth chart) and WMP was viewed as power/OF insurance for a usually hurting and soon to be FA Nixon and a tempermental Manny, who often voiced his desire to be elsewhere. They were also of the opinion they had higher potential starter kids on the farm about ready to move up. (Paps, Lester MDC, etc).


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 04:36:39 PM
I think they could've gotten far better insurance than Pena who can't hit (except mistakes) and can't field.  Which was my original point.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sonora on May 30, 2007, 04:43:41 PM
Lousy teams never have any posters.

 

I beg to differ! I'm here for the Cards. And they are a lousy team.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 30, 2007, 04:45:51 PM
Alright, that's (at least) two of us.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 04:48:30 PM
I was a fan of Gang Green. They had issues.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 30, 2007, 04:50:13 PM
I think they could've gotten far better insurance than Pena who can't hit (except mistakes) and can't field.  Which was my original point.

if they could have gotten more I'm assuming they would have. My guess is the rest of baseball saw him as a #5 pitcher too and a guy that had shown signs of slippage.  I don't think anyone saw him as having that kind of year.

btw last year WMP hit .301 11 hr 42 rbi in half a season-he didn't have a bad year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 30, 2007, 09:31:23 PM
Not a stellar performance by Dice-K


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 30, 2007, 10:35:36 PM
I think they could've gotten far better insurance than Pena who can't hit (except mistakes) and can't field.  Which was my original point.

Can't hit except mistakes.  Pffft.

You know diddllydik about hitting.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 30, 2007, 11:07:03 PM
Cleveland has a good team. Nice performance by the relievers in the 7th.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on May 31, 2007, 02:03:02 AM
I hate to admit it but I could like the Indians.They remind me of the Angels the year they won the series.A lot of good players and some real guys who hustle.Not a major superstar and a solid pitching staff.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 31, 2007, 06:59:24 AM
Phil Hughes has a torn ankle ligament:

A second magnetic resonance imaging exam on Phil Hughes’s left ankle revealed a Grade III sprain, indicating a torn ligament. Hughes will not be allowed to throw off a mound for about six more weeks, though General Manager Brian Cashman said the Yankees have ruled out surgery.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/31/sports/baseball/31pins.html?ref=baseball


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 31, 2007, 09:03:27 AM
I guess I was wrong about the sweep.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 09:31:06 AM
Well, the Yanks won and the Red Sox lost.  Looks like fortunes are reversing..... 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on May 31, 2007, 09:31:40 AM
You know diddllydik about hitting.

Thank you.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 09:35:02 AM
It blows my mind that a player with no defensive skills can make it to the majors with no plate discipline and an inability to hit breaking balls or a changeup.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 09:38:27 AM
Actually what blows my mind more is that pitchers will give him anything but a steady diet of those pitches.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on May 31, 2007, 09:53:09 AM
You know diddllydik about hitting.

Thank you.

Any time, pal.

I think GM's want their hitters to punish mistakes. 

But I also guess you feel Ruth and Gehrig were smacking pitches on the black at the knees for home runs.

Revisionist view is anyone's right.  Have fun with it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 31, 2007, 10:17:09 AM
the Tribe is (are) a good team and fun to watch. Dice-k was mostly mediocre last nite, very little command-I lost count of the 2-strike hits he gave up on poor pitchs and good teams evntually punish poor pitchs, and the Indians took advantage and the sox didn't (base jammed in the 7th was the "best" part of that game)

2nd guess of the day: he never should have faced Sizemore in the 6th, Dice-k was stumbling then and ready to fall- and he did

can't win 'em all.   

tough news about Hughes, FFF said yesterday the Y's summer hinged on him.

I don't think so, seems FFF comes up with a new bogey every day.
 
I GOT IT !

f'ing ARod, slapping balls away, elbowing testicles, what's next?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 31, 2007, 10:18:54 AM
Arod is certainly a lightening rod for controversy. Smart baseball? Bush League? Neither?

I vote neither. But the guy is not making friends.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 31, 2007, 10:22:26 AM
Kid, just a thought, but there are plenty of jerks infesting the Internet who deserve to be treated disrespectfully. Would you want to consider reserving your rudeness for those people?

On an unrelated matter, Liquid, check your e-mail.

I think A-Rod has a couple of screws that need tightening. Maybe that's what the stripper in Toronto was seeing to.


Title: She-males?
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 10:24:24 AM
A petite stripper at the Hustler Club said A-Rod "likes the she-male, muscular type. They brought me up to the champagne room one time. I spun around once and that was it. I'm not his type."

http://www.gambling911.com/Stray-Rod-Strippers-She-Male-053107.html


Title: Re: She-males?
Post by: bankshot1 on May 31, 2007, 10:28:42 AM
A petite stripper at the Hustler Club said A-Rod "likes the she-male, muscular type. They brought me up to the champagne room one time. I spun around once and that was it. I'm not his type."

http://www.gambling911.com/Stray-Rod-Strippers-She-Male-053107.html

that's funny, I posted either here or on SosH that "she" had bigger arms than ARod did.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 10:32:46 AM
WP, let me know if you don't get my email.  Yahoo seems to be having some issues and I'm not sure if it got sent or not


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on May 31, 2007, 10:33:39 AM
I think my next post makes me a Full Member, and even though that sounds vaguely dirty, I want more than anything to be one. So I have to think of something to say.

I wish Coco Crisp would start getting on base with some consistency, but damn, that man has been catching some balls lately.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 11:22:58 AM
Yankees superstar Alex Rodriguez vowed yesterday that revelations about his off-the-field antics wouldn't affect his play for the slumping Bombers.

"I certainly don't think this will be a distraction to our team," A-Rod said before last night's winning effort against the Toronto Blue Jays.

But it may be a distraction at home: His wife, Cynthia, brusquely left their East Side pad last night with two suitcases, refusing to speak with reporters.


"A-Rod is known as the king of the strip clubs," a source said. "He gives the girls his number to meet somewhere else later on."

He also goes to a private social club in Chelsea that fronts as a poker club but also hosts wild, after-hours sex romps, a source said.

Some claimed Rodriguez even shoots X-rated text messages to hisfavorite strippers across the country.

"He loves to text dirty," said a strip club insider. "His wife should check his messages."


http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2007/05/31/2007-05-31_as_wife_packs_up_is_arod_out_at_home.html


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 31, 2007, 11:27:54 AM
wp-that was a helluva 100th post-congrats on the elevation to FULL MEMBER status. Coincidently ARod's Toronto date also...maybe we shouldn't go there.

In any case, keep up the good work and remember full member dues are do by the 31st.






Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 31, 2007, 11:59:15 AM
I've reluctantly decided to abandon the Ichiro/Hunter/AJones rumors and have turned my efforts full-time to the Astros.

Coco for Lidge and Hunter Pence.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 12:02:54 PM
I didn't realize you were sharing an account with emac


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 31, 2007, 12:18:40 PM
OK, we'll throw in Romero.


Title: Re: ARod's Excellent Canadian Adventures
Post by: bankshot1 on May 31, 2007, 01:07:49 PM
As with his elbowing of Pedroia last week, ARod's latest adventure on the basepaths seems to have crossed over some unspoken but understood etiquette.

And while I don't know if he will suffer any payback over "HAH" or whatever he shouted in Toronto, its entirely possible that in the near future he too may be distracted by the shouts of "MINE" as his wife points to their upper East side coop, Miami mansion, stock portfolio, bank accounts, Bentley, artwork, jewelry... 


Title: Re: ARod's Excellent Canadian Adventures
Post by: 26 on May 31, 2007, 02:04:45 PM

And while I don't know if he will suffer any payback over "HAH" or whatever he shouted in Toronto, its entirely possible that in the near future he too may be distracted by the shouts of "MINE" as his wife points to their upper East side coop, Miami mansion, stock portfolio, bank accounts, Bentley, artwork, jewelry... 


Good one.  Even though ARod gets dinged for his on-again, off-again field performance, he's always managed to stay out of the tabloids, rumors or steroids, etc.  For that I gave him credit.  Now even that seems to have changed, although we all know in this day and age of papparazi and tabloids, there is always a feeding frenzy about any alleged behavior and the person is guilty till proven innocent.  Too bad, really. 

Now anything he does or doesn't do for the next four months will have some paragraph about this incident weaved into the news story.  If it is true, his domestic situation will almost surely be a distraction for him.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on May 31, 2007, 02:07:53 PM
I doubt that all the Arod incidents will have much impact on his performance. However, I do think that he'll end up like Wade Boggs - a hall of famer that nobody wants to claim.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: 26 on May 31, 2007, 02:23:55 PM
Reading some of the replies to how you would handle the Yanks situation if you were GM - there is certainly limitation to any moves they could make due to the age of the players, contracts, untouchables, no-trades, etc.  If it were me, first, (unless a whole lot of things turn around) I would not re-up Abreu for next year, given the club option to re-sign him.  I would listen to most offers regarding Giambi right now (I heard LAA was interested; why I don't know) or let him walk after next year when I believe his contract is up.  

But, to make any significant upgrade, you'd have to get rid of talent now to get younger upcoming players.  As this year progresses and if the team still is going nowhere, I might have to swallow hard and offer Mariano to a contender (other than Boston) for a boatload of talent.  Seems like blasphemy, but how many more top years does he have?  Maybe none, based on 2007 performance.  He's a free agent and already is on record as "Yanks don't have an advantage."  Right now, he is seen to be the "great Mariano" so maybe I bite the bullet while he still is perceived to be the top closer.  Maybe I look foolish for a year like the Sox did letting Damon go, but in 2-3 years when he's gone, I have some players.  

I would consider dangling Matsui.  I personally don't believe the Yankees will be on top until they get 1) solid starters, and 2) improved outfield coverage with at least one guy out there who can throw.  The three out there now are pathetic.    Matsui would be seen as a nice addition to a good lineup and again, maybe I reel in some good younger guys or an outfielder who can throw.  Good outfield speed and arms may save at least a run a game over what we put out there this year.

To many, fixing the team may seem like a tweak or even that this season is an aberration, but I really believe a housecleaning may be in order.  They do not appear to have any top-flight outfielders or catchers on the farm, and even if there are some to bring up, you can't send down Abreu or Matsui to bring them up.  Gotta get rid of the large contrats.  Free agency or blockbuster trades seem to get us older players with names who do not pan out as expected (Mussina, Johnson, Abreu, Giambi, Damon, Pavano HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a joke).  Perhaps the real way to rebuild quickly is offer these big names and get young already decent guys to replace them.  

In other words, look for somebody else who acts like the Yankees and would pick up your big name guys for talent.  


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on May 31, 2007, 02:59:48 PM
I think Damon really needs to be put on the DL and allowed some time to recover.  He is so banged up right now that it is pointless to keep running him out there whether its in the OF or as a DH


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on May 31, 2007, 05:27:17 PM
Juicin' Giambi just put on the DL,

Damon to DH and Melky in CF?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: 26 on May 31, 2007, 06:44:51 PM
Juicin' Giambi just put on the DL,

Damon to DH and Melky in CF?

That was my first thought when I read it.  That will help Damon some, but you're right, he needs time to recover. 

However, he has been hurt all year, Giambi has for most of the year, Abreu had the oblique problem in ST, but apparently is healed, although you can't tell from his production.  The key here is the Yankees have no backups.  Putting Melky (.221) in CF and Damon in DH now gives you no fill-ins in the outfield. 

I guess this means another round of an unproven minor leaguer to add to the "bench strength."  That's yet another story.....................


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 08:42:30 AM
it seems Giambi re-injured his foot on his HR-trot

and they've put his recovery period anywhere from 3 weeks to a "season-ending"

sounds like the Ys caught what the Sox had last year.

I hope the Sox have built up some immunity.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 01, 2007, 09:36:53 AM
Juicin' Giambi just put on the DL,

Damon to DH and Melky in CF?

That was my first thought when I read it.  That will help Damon some, but you're right, he needs time to recover. 

However, he has been hurt all year, Giambi has for most of the year, Abreu had the oblique problem in ST, but apparently is healed, although you can't tell from his production.  The key here is the Yankees have no backups.  Putting Melky (.221) in CF and Damon in DH now gives you no fill-ins in the outfield. 

I guess this means another round of an unproven minor leaguer to add to the "bench strength."  That's yet another story.....................

Andy Phillips lost out in ST.

Now at 7-27-.326 at AAA

Eric Duncan might be ready for a go soon, but this guy is outhitting him at 13-33-.305:

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Shelley%2520Duncan&pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=455167





Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 01, 2007, 09:42:32 AM
I'd bring him up if for no other reason than it would be great to have a guy named "Shelley" in a Yankee uniform. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 01:01:44 PM
back from lunch and not one baseball post-that's just terrible, and on the cusp of a big week-end series

tonite the knuckler v the sinker, sounds like WWF

didn't Shelly had a special thing for barnyard animals?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 01:08:09 PM
Quote
and on the cusp of a big week-end series
Actually, it started last night.  Some of our bats woke up against a pretty good pitcher, and we are now 13-2 against out three main divisional rivals.

That IS the series you were refering to....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 01:25:11 PM
boz I was hoping you'd nibble on that one,

you're right,

the sox are playing a last place once proud team and the Central got the #1 & # 2 duking it out

and with the hoops ECF you got Motown v _______

what's Cleveland's nickname other than "The Mistake by the Lake"?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 01:32:11 PM
This just in, Yankees name new team doctor:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/01/us/01cnd-Kevorkian.html?hp



Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 01, 2007, 01:52:56 PM
Isn't that wild?  Usually before the start of a Y/RS series, tensions are high. This time, I may miss a couple.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 01:59:45 PM
boz I was hoping you'd nibble on that one,

you're right,

the sox are playing a last place once proud team and the Central got the #1 & # 2 duking it out

and with the hoops ECF you got Motown v _______

what's Cleveland's nickname other than "The Mistake by the Lake"?

The whole area is now, for marketing purposes, "Cleveland +" but that might not be what you have in mind.  At one time, it was the "Forest City," but except for Forest City Ent. not much in use.  How about "The North Coast?"  Or, as Randy Newman called us, "City of Lights, City of Magic."


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 01, 2007, 02:00:49 PM
"Cleveland's A Plum" was also a slogan for awhile. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 02:02:13 PM
"Cleveland's A Plum" was also a slogan for awhile. 
Yes, but it sucked.

Apropos nothing, Cal Trillan once proposed Akron adopt as its slogan "Preferable to Youngstown."


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 01, 2007, 02:06:50 PM
(http://www.balancedlivingmag.com/images/2005/July-August%2005/Cuyahoga_River_fires_pics.jpg)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 02:08:48 PM
Now the Lord can make you tumble
And the Lord can make you turn
And the Lord can make you overflow
But the Lord can't make you burn


I had that "album"

I always crack up when I hear,  "You Can Leave Your Hat On",  its a classic


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 01, 2007, 02:09:44 PM
This just in, Yankees name new team doctor:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/01/us/01cnd-Kevorkian.html?hp



Glad to see Vinny Bumbatz land on his feet


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 02:18:19 PM
Now the Lord can make you tumble
And the Lord can make you turn
And the Lord can make you overflow
But the Lord can't make you burn


I had that "album"

I want to make it clear that in fact the Cuyahoga River did NOT burn.  It was the industrial waste floating on top of the river that burned.

I have that album in my car's 10 disc CD right now.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 02:24:04 PM
Quote
It was the industrial waste floating on top of the river that burned
.


that might be true, but if you gotta chose between

Burn on, Big River, Burn On

or

Burn on, industrial waste floating on top of the river, burn on

whatta ya gonna do?

I guess that's why he's the songwriter.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 01, 2007, 02:27:40 PM
While I'm at it, "There's an oil barge winding, Down the Cuyahoga River" is also inaccurate.  It's a narrow and twisting river, the barge would not get very far. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 02:30:45 PM
Quote
It's a narrow and twisting river, the barge would not get very far.
 

I guess that's why the oil barge dischages its cargo in the river and lets it float to the good but cold people of Cleveland, the Forest City.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 01, 2007, 02:31:55 PM
The river did not burn.  The mayor's hair did, though.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 02:36:04 PM
fwiw, The Charles River in Boston (of Dirty Water Fame) may have had more 2-headed fish per nautical mile than any other river this side of the Yangtze.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 01, 2007, 03:39:45 PM
Liq - If you want to make an impression on WP, buy him a Fenway frank. He's a great connoisseur of ballpark fare.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 01, 2007, 03:44:57 PM
Turns out the player we're going to schmooze with in Phoenix is Mike Lowell. I'll be sure to pass on YG's regard for him. When it's my turn to ask a question, any ideas?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 03:58:17 PM
Mike, while running out an infield pop-up have you ever shouted HAH?

or HAH HAH HAH, just in jest?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 01, 2007, 04:21:52 PM
Nah, I think I'll just ask about the stupid thing Arod does in a game the day before. Might as well be current.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: wpsaukee on June 01, 2007, 04:53:32 PM
Liq - If you want to make an impression on WP, buy him a Fenway frank. He's a great connoisseur of ballpark fare.

Just because having two daughters foiled my plans to name a son Fenway Frank, that doesn't mean I would eat one.

Actually, I would eat one if somebody bought me one. One lousy helping of rat droppings and insect parts wouldn't kill me, right? I just don't like to spend my money on food or drink inside a ballpark.

Anyway, I plan to buy Liquid a pre-game beer to show my appreciation for his having set up this forum. All the rest of you can send along your shares of the cost of this gift (suggested donation: $5.00) to me. If there's anything left over, it will go toward my Full Member dues, due by June 31 if I remember Rich's directive correctly.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 01, 2007, 05:32:35 PM
Torre on M & MD re ARod's heady play/gamesmanship

1-he's never seen that play on the basepaths in his years in the game

2-to Arod: "knock it off"

wp/liq have a great time at the game 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 01, 2007, 06:36:19 PM
Yanks possible new DH homere dtoday

Plays for a 22-30 NL club

2 years 9 mil left including '07


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on June 01, 2007, 09:07:13 PM
The Yankees really have Wake's number. Go figure.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on June 01, 2007, 10:29:05 PM
"There's No Surf in Cleveland"


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on June 01, 2007, 10:42:29 PM
Indians with the big comeback in the bottom of the 9th.Now pass it on to the Sox.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on June 02, 2007, 03:02:06 AM
I was just talking to a buddy in NY(can't sleep) and we were talking about how bad Giambi may be hurt and since the Yankees are bringing Roger back do they now think about bringing Bernie back to DH.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 02, 2007, 08:31:59 AM
Crazy game last night.  The Red Sox had plenty of chances to hit Wang around.  Wakes was all over the place and not effective at all.  Be good to get the frontline starters up for the next couple games


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2007, 10:05:51 AM
good assessment. Wakes was as bad as I can remember him being in a long time, it certainly seems like the Ys now own the guy-that and the sox stranding 8 guys in the first 3 innings. Bad games happen. Time for Schill to be a stopper.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 02, 2007, 10:57:16 AM
Hopefully liq/wp are the stoppers.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 02, 2007, 11:22:20 AM
Quote
It's a narrow and twisting river, the barge would not get very far.
 

I guess that's why the oil barge dischages its cargo in the river and lets it float to the good but cold people of Cleveland, the Forest City.
Your science is a bit off as well.  Oil will not float upriver.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on June 02, 2007, 11:27:31 AM
Not in this hemisphere anyway.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2007, 12:25:35 PM
Quote
It's a narrow and twisting river, the barge would not get very far.
 

I guess that's why the oil barge dischages its cargo in the river and lets it float to the good but cold people of Cleveland, the Forest City.
Your science is a bit off as well.  Oil will not float upriver.

boz-in the same vein as, I did not know what the colorful niickname the fair city of Cleveland is called by the natives, neither did I know (or care) whether said metropolis is up stream or down stream.

btw, just saw the box score, nice CFB win last nite


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 02, 2007, 12:36:17 PM
Quote
It's a narrow and twisting river, the barge would not get very far.
 

I guess that's why the oil barge dischages its cargo in the river and lets it float to the good but cold people of Cleveland, the Forest City.
Your science is a bit off as well.  Oil will not float upriver.

boz-in the same vein as, I did not know what the colorful niickname the fair city of Cleveland is called by the natives, neither did I know (or care) whether said metropolis is up stream or down stream.

btw, just saw the box score, nice CFB win last nite
It's not a matter of specific knowledge.  What kind of idiot thinks a river flows away from the watershed?  I don't have to give a shit about Boston to know that the Charles doesn't flow towards Worcester.

Detroit is Cleveland's bitch. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2007, 12:56:27 PM
my aren't we getting snippy.

watershed? Who the fuck cares?

This is what I know about Cleveland: its on lake Erie, apparently the Cuyahoga flows through it and from time to time catchs on fire, the rock n roll hall of fame is there, and Drew Carey hails from the place. And Mimi has won the Miss Cleveland contest for the past 12 years. 

and the sports fans who have been condemed to live there suffer from a massive inferiority complex.

Do I need to know more? Nope

balls (oops bad choice of words) in your court


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 02, 2007, 01:12:13 PM
This is what I know about Cleveland.

Um, their citizens take great pride in the watershed. The R&R HOF is over-rated.

That's all I got.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on June 02, 2007, 01:50:07 PM
All I know about Cleveland is that I was unbeatable at Tecmo Bowl back in 1989 and 1990.   The offense wasn't very good, Kevin Mack was just enough to get me into field goal range once in a while, and Bernie threw wobbly ducks around.  But the defense was a force, led by the fastest man on the field, Hanford Dixon. 

I'd just corner blitz every time, and if somehow you were lucky enough to get the pass off, Hanford was so fast he'd get back and tackle the receiver.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2007, 05:13:46 PM
watershed in Boston is not a source of local pride, just means a rain delay.

Better than bloodshed I guess.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 02, 2007, 05:15:44 PM
my aren't we getting snippy.

watershed? Who the fuck cares?

This is what I know about Cleveland: its on lake Erie, apparently the Cuyahoga flows through it and from time to time catchs on fire, the rock n roll hall of fame is there, and Drew Carey hails from the place. And Mimi has won the Miss Cleveland contest for the past 12 years. 

and the sports fans who have been condemed to live there suffer from a massive inferiority complex.

Do I need to know more? Nope

balls (oops bad choice of words) in your court
We'll be taking your punk asses down come October; that's another thing to know about Cleveland.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 02, 2007, 05:21:32 PM
my aren't we getting snippy.

watershed? Who the fuck cares?

This is what I know about Cleveland: its on lake Erie, apparently the Cuyahoga flows through it and from time to time catchs on fire, the rock n roll hall of fame is there, and Drew Carey hails from the place. And Mimi has won the Miss Cleveland contest for the past 12 years. 

and the sports fans who have been condemed to live there suffer from a massive inferiority complex.

Do I need to know more? Nope

balls (oops bad choice of words) in your court
We'll be taking your punk asses down come October; that's another thing to know about Cleveland.

says the fan of the team that just lost 2-of-3 to the sox.
 
btw it cracks me up when fans refer to their team as "we"

boz-was it "we" when Jose Mesa sucked on a big one in '97 too?

heh

edit: another source of endless hilarity is reading posts from white-bread/mid-west guys packed with street slang/smack.

boz is one bad ass mommy-f'er




Title: Re: American League
Post by: 26 on June 02, 2007, 07:29:34 PM
"Clemens scratched from start."

http://sports.excite.com/news/06022007/v6069.html

The absolute joke of a season continues.  Guess what, a "fatigued groin."  I'll leave that one to the pundits among us.  Looks like he will miss at least the Chicago series.  But, not to worry, he's a veteran and his presence will help us. 

Today after giving us a glimmer of hope with the HR, our captain is fumbling the game away in the eighth. 

I'm more and more disliking this unbalanced schedule.  Nineteen, long, never-ending, not crisply-played games are too many each year.  I think it takes the real glamour away from the matchup (as does a 12 1/2 game difference in the standings), but it's as if Ali fought Frazier once a month in their primes.  Far too often to be memorable.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 02, 2007, 09:27:30 PM
Quote
another source of endless hilarity is reading posts from...
Self-important classless pea-brain morons who think the whole world is bounded by a 200 mile stretch of I-95 and lack any interest in the real world and are not afraid to show their ignorance for all the world.  Especially when they have no wit, intelligence, or originality in their comments.  A burning river?  That's the best you can do?  What, not even a Howard the Duck slam?  You are a pathetic pile of Mesa.

Anyway, the weather has turned hot, and there are thunderstroms in the area.  Hope all is well with you and yours.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 03, 2007, 02:13:48 AM
Mike Lowell is an American hero.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 07:37:09 AM
Not exactly a pitchers duel - at least not after the rain delay, but what a great game.  Momentum swung back and forth most of the night until the Sox finally put the Yanks away -- with a little help from Jeter. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 07:39:32 AM
Quote
another source of endless hilarity is reading posts from...
Self-important classless pea-brain morons who think the whole world is bounded by a 200 mile stretch of I-95 and lack any interest in the real world and are not afraid to show their ignorance for all the world.  Especially when they have no wit, intelligence, or originality in their comments.  A burning river?  That's the best you can do?  What, not even a Howard the Duck slam?  You are a pathetic pile of Mesa.

Anyway, the weather has turned hot, and there are thunderstroms in the area.  Hope all is well with you and yours.

FTR1, I think RML lives in NY.

FTR2, what's with the my city is better than yours crap?  I thought that hallowed ground was reserved for Ham


Title: Prince Hal to be king
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 08:44:37 AM
Hal Steinbrenner, 38, has quietly assumed the role of general partner of the Yankees in the past few weeks, the Daily News has learned - a move that could delay decisions on the job status of Brian Cashman and Joe Torre.

Thought this part was interesting, I wonder what Trish thinks of this:

"George will never allow the girls to have any say in the family business, and without a spouse now, Jenny doesn't have a whole lot of influence."

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2007/06/03/2007-06-03_prince_hal_to_be_king.html



Title: Re: American League
Post by: oilcanboyd23 on June 03, 2007, 08:47:43 AM
FTR2, what's with the my city is better than yours crap?

All cities pretty much suck, don't they?  Filled with people driving cars around and so forth, complaining about this or that.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 09:24:52 AM
boy was I wrong, (in addiition to the Cleveland watershed issue) Schilling wasn't the stopper-Lowell was.

3-for-4 4 rbis, TD pass, and 2 sacks

I left the game at 6-5 (Jeter's HR), so I missed the fireworks

I hope Minky is ok, just saw the replay on SC

in any case, with Juicin' sitting and Minky out, the need for 1st sacker just got upped. Question becomes how much do the Ys cough up for a "Helton".


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 09:32:39 AM
Quote
FTR1, I think RML lives in NY.

FTR2, what's with the my city is better than yours crap?  I thought that hallowed ground was reserved for Ham

FTR I live in a lovely bedroom community about 30 minutes outside NYC, prior to that, I lived in NYC for about 15 years.

liq-IMO boz was on a testosterone high reflecting the civic pride associated with the Tribe and Cavs. He's never felt it before so, its  probably best to cut him some slack. IMO2 for those who frequent the NBA forum they should expect a series of LeBron's better than Bird, the Cavs would kick the 80's Celt's ass, Shaker Heights is better than Brookline. You know rookie level-juvenile smack. Again its all understandable.

IMO patience is the key. It will fade as soon as the Cavs do.

FTR, I found the the whole watershed thing pretty f'ing funny.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 03, 2007, 12:29:55 PM
Nothing funny about watersheds. Serious stuff there.

Looks like the NYTimes forum is dead. Moment of silence please.

Ok, back to watersheds.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 03, 2007, 01:31:50 PM
Torre using Proc last night was beyond comical.

His intentional pass to Manny with none out criminal

Jody Mac from ESPN Radio has it right - Yanks want Mattingly in, but not at this juncture.  Bowa or Pena as interim are the choices.  Dawnie Baseball's club in '08.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 03, 2007, 02:32:29 PM
Mike Lowell is an American hero.
Just as long as you don't go to the "ARod is a punk" garbage.  Lowell's roll block of Cano was more bush than anything ARod's done.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 03, 2007, 02:34:54 PM
Quote
another source of endless hilarity is reading posts from...
Self-important classless pea-brain morons who think the whole world is bounded by a 200 mile stretch of I-95 and lack any interest in the real world and are not afraid to show their ignorance for all the world.  Especially when they have no wit, intelligence, or originality in their comments.  A burning river?  That's the best you can do?  What, not even a Howard the Duck slam?  You are a pathetic pile of Mesa.

Anyway, the weather has turned hot, and there are thunderstroms in the area.  Hope all is well with you and yours.

FTR1, I think RML lives in NY.

FTR2, what's with the my city is better than yours crap?  I thought that hallowed ground was reserved for Ham
I know where bs lives.  His rectum is in New York and his head is two feet up it.

Did I say anything bad about anyone's city?  Must've missed that.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 02:57:53 PM
boz-you have made it clear you enjoy taunting sox fans. that's fine, but it appears you lack the intestinal fortitude to deal with some return fire.

I'm not sure what your problem is, but, its your problem.

btw you deploy the finest watershed smack on the internet. The rest of your game is weak though and you will be schooled accordingly.

Or my ball-less gutless piece of shit Eunuch you can run back to Elba where your silly pointless posts are hailed as wisdom, and trish can you pet your pointy-head while you drool in her lap.

btw, Cano was in the basepath running towards Lowell, Lowell kept on running in the basepath as he was entitled to do, and all in keeping with the rules of the game.

btw, do you know anything about the game?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 03:04:32 PM
oh and boz most of this was pretty lite (I even made some deprecating remarks about the Charles) until you decided to low-blow it. Again, other than the massive inferiority complex you carry around, I'm not sure what your issues are, but you own them.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 03, 2007, 03:04:53 PM
bs -

Your ability to make excuses for the Sox you will not make for the Yankees has never been in question.

I am on to you.  You feel you need to have someone to have antagonistic running arguments with, so you can post your condescending, superior bs about people who respond to your crap.  When trish posted, it was trish.  Then you took after cap.  Now it's me.  I get your pathetic, ignorant and silly games, you pile of Mesa; I always have.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 03, 2007, 03:05:19 PM
I agree that whisk's watershed smack is the finest I've read on that topic.

I've decided to desist on taunting Arod.  Somewhat because he plays for a last place team and mostly because I think he might be on the Sox next year. New year, new shortstop. That seems to be the order of the day.

Congrats to LeBron for getting his team into the finals. Might be a tough roe (sic) to hoe going forward. But I must say that Cleveland sports fortunes are at an all time high and i wouldn't mind seeing either team win a championship.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 03:07:05 PM
boz-see the above post. You turned antagonistic with zero provocation from me. I'm here to talk baseball, but if you want to play other games, I'm more than happy to accomodate.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on June 03, 2007, 03:07:55 PM
Mike Lowell is an American hero.
Just as long as you don't go to the "ARod is a punk" garbage.  Lowell's roll block of Cano was more bush than anything ARod's done.

Funny that Joe Torre disagrees with you Whiskey.

Quote
It's kind of ironic. That's what they taught us in the minor leagues, and I was with the Yankees in the minor leagues," Lowell said. "We had two rules: you can never peel off and ... if the second baseman tried to tag you, you did everything in your power not to let him get rid of the ball. ... (Cano) actually made a great play. He still got rid of it."

Joe Torre had no problem with the play.

"Mike sort of deked him, but you're in the baseline and you're fair game," Torre said. "That was hard baseball, nothing dirty about it."

"It was a clean play," Lowell said. "They taught me how to do it."




Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 03, 2007, 03:08:45 PM
boz-see the above post. You turned antogonistic with zero provocation from me. I'm here to talk baseball, but if you want to play other games, I'm more than happy to accomodate.
Horsemesa.  "Oh!  It was the other guy!"  Always that mendacious mesa from you, always.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 03, 2007, 03:10:57 PM
Mike Lowell is an American hero.
Just as long as you don't go to the "ARod is a punk" garbage.  Lowell's roll block of Cano was more bush than anything ARod's done.

Funny that Joe Torre disagrees with you Whiskey.

Quote
It's kind of ironic. That's what they taught us in the minor leagues, and I was with the Yankees in the minor leagues," Lowell said. "We had two rules: you can never peel off and ... if the second baseman tried to tag you, you did everything in your power not to let him get rid of the ball. ... (Cano) actually made a great play. He still got rid of it."

Joe Torre had no problem with the play.

"Mike sort of deked him, but you're in the baseline and you're fair game," Torre said. "That was hard baseball, nothing dirty about it."

"It was a clean play," Lowell said. "They taught me how to do it."



Did I say there was anything dirty about Lowell's play?  I don't think so.  I have no problem with the things ARod has done that has enflamed everyone in RSN, either.  My point is simply that some are praising Lowell for the types of things they rip ARod for.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 03:11:58 PM
boz-show me the post that offended you and lead to your lethal series of watershed smack.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 03:15:45 PM
Quote
My point is simply that some are praising Lowell for the types of things they rip ARod for.

Lowell was entitled to the basepath and he went in very hard to Cano to try and break-up a DP.

Arod slid hard at Pedroia (and no one had a problem with that) but at the end of the play, in a non-continous movement (ie his slide was over) he threw an elbow below the belt.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 03, 2007, 03:19:02 PM
I like Arod. I actually wanted to Manny trade to go through. Though, I'm pretty glad it did not.

Arod is just awkward in trying to play with some intensity. He took exception to a meaningless Arroyo pitch and ignited the Sox. I appreciate it. He slapped the ball out of Arroyo's glove and put Jeter back on first base. Appreciate that too.

The guy has loads of talent, seems to disappear in the clutch, and has never been accepted by his current team. Enjoy the rest of the season in NYC, sir, and good luck with your new team next year.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on June 03, 2007, 03:19:20 PM
OK Steve

Got it. It can be deemed a clean, legal play but still be bush league. I think the difference may be that when Lowell hits Cano the play is still ongoing whereas Arod pops up and elbows Pedroia after he's thrown the ball.

Hey to each his own. It's all open to oppinion.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on June 03, 2007, 03:23:13 PM
PK

I think Arod's asking price will be way to high for the Sox and they've already proved they can do well without him. I hope he goes to the NL. I don't want them to tie up 200+million on one guy.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on June 03, 2007, 03:26:57 PM
Steve

You ought to write the Indians and see if they can get a giant head Meg Ryan to dance on the dugout lkie the Cher and Steve Martin ones they had today.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 03:27:28 PM
Mike Lowell is an American hero.
Just as long as you don't go to the "ARod is a punk" garbage.  Lowell's roll block of Cano was more bush than anything ARod's done.

Funny that Joe Torre disagrees with you Whiskey.

Quote
It's kind of ironic. That's what they taught us in the minor leagues, and I was with the Yankees in the minor leagues," Lowell said. "We had two rules: you can never peel off and ... if the second baseman tried to tag you, you did everything in your power not to let him get rid of the ball. ... (Cano) actually made a great play. He still got rid of it."

Joe Torre had no problem with the play.

"Mike sort of deked him, but you're in the baseline and you're fair game," Torre said. "That was hard baseball, nothing dirty about it."

"It was a clean play," Lowell said. "They taught me how to do it."



Did I say there was anything dirty about Lowell's play?  I don't think so.  I have no problem with the things ARod has done that has enflamed everyone in RSN, either.  My point is simply that some are praising Lowell for the types of things they rip ARod for.

Lowell is cheating on his wife with a She-Man?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 03:29:03 PM
Congrats, btw, Wisk, I never thought the Cavs would get by Detroit


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 03, 2007, 03:30:31 PM
So the rockies turned down Tavares and Lowell for Helton, and both of those guys are kicking ass for the Sox at this point in the season.

Do the Yankees give up the prospects to get Helton (please, oh please)?

PS. Anyone else see the pictures of Proctor with the pine tar smeared all over his fingers? Hard to imagine he could lose his grip on the ball he threw at Youks.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 03:33:54 PM
At least Yank fans don't have to worry about Hughes being traded as it looks like he's going to be out until August


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 03:36:15 PM
Quote
Do the Yankees give up the prospects to get Helton (please, oh please)?

While I would view that as throwing another anchor on the Titanic (rocket's the first) you gotta wonder if Cashy's thinking, "this just isn't our year" and bow to the inevitable and silently think of '08.

and how surprising is Rocket's groin going out?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on June 03, 2007, 03:37:42 PM
Quote
PS. Anyone else see the pictures of Proctor with the pine tar smeared all over his fingers? Hard to imagine he could lose his grip on the ball he threw at Youks.

No PK. Where'd you see that?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 03, 2007, 03:41:02 PM
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=19275&st=80


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 03:43:25 PM
(http://i7.tinypic.com/4tzr9jm.jpg)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 03:52:27 PM
liq-that's the "hook 'em horns" sign-

I'd interpret that as a desperate signal to a certain UT alum to giddy-up pronto. 


and boz go back to page 112 and my "just returned from lunch post" and you tell me who started what.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on June 03, 2007, 04:08:40 PM
That's proof ????????

Come on.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: dmac on June 03, 2007, 04:19:31 PM
http://sonsofsamhorn.net/index.php?showtopic=19275&st=80


Thanks PK

Another cheater Yankee.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 03, 2007, 05:35:31 PM
Did I say there was anything dirty about Lowell's play?  I don't think so.  I have no problem with the things ARod has done that has enflamed everyone in RSN, either.  My point is simply that some are praising Lowell for the types of things they rip ARod for.
1. It's not a brilliant point. It really boils down to "you like your players, and don't like the opposition players." Wow! Really? 

2. I have never seen you make this point to a Yankee fan, despite the many chances to do so.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on June 03, 2007, 06:13:54 PM
It seems this has all been an exercise in people seeing what they want to see.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 07:52:39 PM
ST-not really, those "ARod being ARrod" actions that boz has no problem with, some others closer to the actions did:

1-slapping the ball in the 2004 ALCS was against the rules-and as pk noted, Arod was ruled out Jeter sent back to 1st

2- the elbow to Pedroia's private parts, Arod apologized to Pedroia for the play, even he in the light of day realized he had crossed the invisible line

3-HAH, mine, I got it-

I m not sure if Arod got it, but his team-mates would not comment on his play and his manager said that in his years in the game he had never seen it, and in a conversation after he game told Arod to "knock it off" and he thought that it unlikely that ARod would pull that stunt again.

4-Seems his wife was a little miffed about the she-male stripper and spicy text messaging with hookers but it seems they got it all straightened out, and ARod promised he would not pull that stunt again too, and I believe him.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 07:58:24 PM
time for baseball tonite, anybody know who's playing?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 09:52:21 PM
That error hurt.  Lowell really shouldn't have tried to force it, he had no shot at getting anyone.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 10:06:53 PM
Pedroia is freakin awesome


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 10:08:17 PM
Bobby Abreu - the Red Sox secret weapon


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 10:20:23 PM
I just missed that 1/2 inning e-mailing clients

damn

and you were right about the Lowell play-he just should have held it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 10:25:39 PM
You missed a great 1/2 inning -- maybe Trish recorded it....


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 10:40:17 PM
Damn, he should have ran through posada


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 03, 2007, 10:49:38 PM
interesting decision with Ortiz due up


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 03, 2007, 11:09:20 PM
The ever agile Manny


Title: Re: American League
Post by: Kam on June 04, 2007, 12:16:05 AM
Ah... smells nice in here.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 06:46:21 AM
I think its the Glade air-freshner

well that was a pretty nifty game last nite, with a little something for everybody

Abreau giveth Abreau taketh away

just a great game to watch, and gnash my teeth to.


 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on June 04, 2007, 07:51:52 AM
No one can say that they didn't get their money's worth last night. Quite a game.

Anyone hear Arod go "HA"?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 08:39:48 AM
he did get the last laugh.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 04, 2007, 08:50:05 AM
Steve

You ought to write the Indians and see if they can get a giant head Meg Ryan to dance on the dugout lkie the Cher and Steve Martin ones they had today.
Meg Ryan was last year.  Well, last eight years.  I have moved on to Kate Winslow.

It was 70's retro weekend at the Jake, which is great in tems of clothes and music and the like, but not so great when the team decided to play like the 70's Indians the last two games.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 08:58:24 AM
Well, certainly not a boring series.  Not exactly the ending I was hoping for but it was certainly climactic.  I wasn't thrilled with the choice of location on that pitch by Pap, I thought he should have tried to get A-Rod to chase one since the count was in his favor -- but what can you do?

Weather played tricks on us last night, there were several shots during that game that I swore would have been homerruns when they left the bat.

Ah well, only gave up a game when all is said and done.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 09:01:53 AM
totally agree on the 0-2 pitch to ARod... At 0-2 I'm talking to the TV, "ok, nothin good to hit..." BAM!

all in all a very entertaining game. I'm still pissed i missed that 1/2 inning.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 04, 2007, 09:19:44 AM
That was a pretty good pitch to Arod. He's just a great hitter and crushed it. Was an outstanding game and this time the good guys lost.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on June 04, 2007, 09:24:16 AM
Everyone can delete the NY Times from their favorites list. It appears the management has caught up with their error.

Let us pray.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 09:28:41 AM
pk-yup, to all that, IMO Paps still should thrown a splitter into the dirt

did they ever repaly Posada block/play at the plate on Lugo?

that play may have been my 2nd guess of the day: ie. With Ortiz due up why send Lugo?

and fwiw his last AB against MO was pretty good drama.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 09:32:33 AM
I don't think it was a bad pitch per se, just that when the count is in the pitcher's favor and the strikezone tends to expand in the ninth, why not try to get A-Rod to chase something out of the zone.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 09:33:39 AM
Even sent or not, that was pretty piss poor running by Lugo, he should have drove through Posada instead of trying to pussyfoot around him.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 09:35:57 AM
Everyone can delete the NY Times from their favorites list. It appears the management has caught up with their error.

Let us pray.

you're right, I still plan to lurk on the Human Origins forum

RIP
1997-2007
NYT BASEBALL FORUMS


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 04, 2007, 09:36:06 AM
Posada did a great job on that play.  Blocking the plate is something he never used to do.  He's a better player now than he was 5 years, which is extremely rare in a 35-year old catcher.  


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 09:37:27 AM
Yeah, must be some ginseng in his protein shake


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 09:40:42 AM
While the Ortiz bat was great drama, I kind of wish the Red Sox didn't go into those final at bats looking to just hit a homer to tie it up.  They had the heart of the order up, would it have been the worst thing in the world to just try to get runners on?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 09:41:48 AM
Posada did a great job on that play.  Blocking the plate is something he never used to do.  He's a better player now than he was 5 years, which is extremely rare in a 35-year old catcher.  

yup to all that too.

I only saw the play once, and to me Jeter's throw was high and I was surprised that Posada was able to maintain the block.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 09:44:11 AM
Abreu made some spectacular catches -- I guess I spoke to soon on the 'secret weapon' part -- the Sox really could have opened it up


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on June 04, 2007, 09:45:08 AM
I think that there is a direct correlation between Posada's defensive skills and the presence of Tony Pena with the Yankees.

Yankees would be fools to let him go. It is the same calculus that the Red Sox faced with Varitek.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 09:45:39 AM
While the Ortiz bat was great drama, I kind of wish the Red Sox didn't go into those final at bats looking to just hit a homer to tie it up.  They had the heart of the order up, would it have been the worst thing in the world to just try to get runners on?

I think Ortiz was trying to get on, he hit several balls hard in that, whatever, it was 8-9-10 pitch AB.


"protein shake"

heh

I've alluded to the marvels/ rejuvenation of a .360 hitting 36 year old catcher. You don't see it too often.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 04, 2007, 09:53:59 AM
Yankees looked like the team we thought they might be in that game. Red Sox did too. Both teams were a threat to score in every inning and had some clutch pitching (i.e. Sox pen held the line on 2 runners at 3rd, less than 2 outs). Probably the best game of the 12 they've played so far.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 04, 2007, 10:00:32 AM
My guess is that he won't be hitting .360 at the end of the season and then you'll probably have to find something else to insinuate.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 04, 2007, 10:02:01 AM
pk -

Quote
2. I have never seen you make this point to a Yankee fan, despite the many chances to do so.
Your selective memory is hardly my problem.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 10:02:46 AM
i've wondered the same thing about Nomar, Nixon and Ortiz.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 10:04:20 AM
The Posada call should be interesting this coming offseason.  I imagine that they will re-sign him but for how long?

At least it looks like dealing Navarro didn't hurt them at all.  I doubt the Yanks would have the stomach for what their 'catcher of the future' has brought to the table so far


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 04, 2007, 10:05:32 AM
Ortiz?  How come, then, whenever, ahem, somebody else, made insinuations about him, you vociferously disagreed?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 10:07:48 AM
Nomar was the only one that I ever threw out there -- I believe I was attacked pretty well by my peers on that one -- or at least by Dmac.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 10:08:07 AM
because the psychotic bitch accused him of drug usage, with no evidence, and she plays it over and over.

and i've accused no one, I just wonder whether certain players have use PEDs.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 10:10:18 AM
I don't think Papi is on anything personally beyond a few bags of oreos


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 10:16:38 AM
and we've talked a lot about Ortiz over the years and the reasons why a guy in his prime/late 20's with Manny insurance might see a power surge.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 10:33:35 AM
Papi could always hit bombs, but was bothered by injuries throughout his time with the Twinkies. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 10:44:49 AM
Things are so ugly in Yankeeland that all the radio Yankee fans (Waldman, Francessa, and Kay--oh, my!) are attacking each other.

Kind of fun to watch after having to listen to these suck-ups during the “dynasty years” here in the New York metro area
:

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/col/raissman/index.html


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 11:07:29 AM
Any link to the Waldman clip, I'd love to hear it.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 04, 2007, 11:09:50 AM
Quote
and i've accused no one, I just wonder whether certain players have use PEDs.
The functional distinction escapes me.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 11:26:56 AM
FTR, Me 2


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 11:43:17 AM
Any link to the Waldman clip, I'd love to hear it.

Click on the "featured Audio" to hear the "professionalism" of Suzyn "Georgie's Girl" Waldman:

 http://www.wcbs880.com/pages/423733.php?contentType=4&contentId=471930


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 11:46:14 AM
That is pretty hysterical.  She should work the WWF or WWE or whatever they're calling it these days. 


Title: Tigers release P Mesa
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 11:53:20 AM
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=txtigersmesa&prov=st&type=lgns


Title: Cashman tells newspaper Yanks not considering exiting Clemens deal
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 11:54:36 AM
If the Yankees wanted to walk away from their deal with Roger Clemens, they could do so with no more money exchanging hands, the New York Post reported Monday.

However, Yankees general manager Brian Cashman told the Post: "It's not something I'm thinking about right now."


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2892530


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 11:57:16 AM
That is pretty hysterical.  She should work the WWF or WWE or whatever they're calling it these days. 

After you listen to it, it's hard to get all weepy-eyed thinking that other sports talkies are picking on her, as Raismann implied. I mean---it's just pathetic.





Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 12:08:57 PM
Quote
and i've accused no one, I just wonder whether certain players have use PEDs.
The functional distinction escapes me.

I've wondered whether Nomar,Nixon and Ortiz used PEDs. And posted that i wondered about the usage. But there's no eviidence. so I don't beat it to death.

I'm wondering the same thing about Posada. And I posted such. But I've made no accusation, as there's no evidence.

but the observation still holds: catchers don't typically have career offensive years in their mid-30s.

and it,  the late in the career breakout years from several players, that we really have not seen prior to the steroid/HGH era, can lead one to ask why?

and liq re your "FTR me too".

how should one have read your ginseng/protein shake comment?


edit: I'm just back from the eye doctor and those f'ing drops, so excuse the typos


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 12:22:13 PM
how should one have read your ginseng/protein shake comment?

As a joke


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 12:30:58 PM
ok, so there was no hint or intent that perhaps Posada found some magiic eliixir that has eluded the grasp of other mid-30s catchers.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 01:01:07 PM
Nope, just a joke


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 04, 2007, 01:02:40 PM
just re-listened to Waldman's

"My Rocket's back and there's s gonna be trouble" broadcast.

sure it was way over the top, but it reminded me of last Friday nite

I was listeing to WCBS in the car coming home and there was a short rain delay at Fenway and Waldman mentioned before the game that the sox had a ceremony honoring the '67 team. She said just that in a flat unemotional voice and nothing more. And it struck me how over the top she was with Clemen's comeback yet the year that probably created a baseball fan out of her, was just a 2-second blurb.  If you could strip away the BS, it may be her most treasured baseball memory, yet it was just throw away line used in a short rain delay. It struck me as a little sad.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 04, 2007, 01:11:00 PM
0-2 pitch to A-Rod was a f--king travesty

Credit the Yanks.  Huge win if we could have gotten it, especially down 4 runs.

Mariano's ball had more life than I have seen all season.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 02:22:01 PM
just re-listened to Waldman's

"My Rocket's back and there's s gonna be trouble" broadcast.

sure it was way over the top, but it reminded me of last Friday nite

I was listeing to WCBS in the car coming home and there was a short rain delay at Fenway and Waldman mentioned before the game that the sox had a ceremony honoring the '67 team. She said just that in a flat unemotional voice and nothing more. And it struck me how over the top she was with Clemen's comeback yet the year that probably created a baseball fan out of her, was just a 2-second blurb.  If you could strip away the BS, it may be her most treasured baseball memory, yet it was just throw away line used in a short rain delay. It struck me as a little sad.

Evidently, she's a ho.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 02:22:30 PM
0-2 pitch to A-Rod was a f--king travesty

Credit the Yanks.  Huge win if we could have gotten it, especially down 4 runs.

Mariano's ball had more life than I have seen all season.

A "huge win"?

Bit of a stretch, eh?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 04, 2007, 02:43:11 PM
nope

This is not to say Sox are not still in tremendous shape


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 03:33:29 PM
Well, if it's a "huge win" when you're up on a team by 12 1/2 games or so, how big is the win when you're only up by 1 1/2 games?

MEGA-MEGA huge??

 Think you're letting the whole ESPN-fanned "rivalry" crapola get to your head, kid.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 04, 2007, 03:37:49 PM
ahhh----------------fuckin stow it.  You havent been in a baseball rivalry in all your life


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 03:39:16 PM
I don't know about huge or anything, I have to admit that these are the first two series in a long time that we've lost to the Yanks where I could just shrug my shoulders and be merely disappointed.    Still it would have been nice to put another nail in the coffin.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: law120b on June 04, 2007, 03:52:59 PM
Quote
You havent been in a baseball rivalry in all your life

you fuhggodabout utley's greatest moment--the dodgers-phillies playoff of 1950.  ashburn, granmer, konstanty!  enough thrills for the little tyke to carry him thru a lifetime of schmuckery and assholedom.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 04:21:11 PM
The Phillies have a very storied rivalry -- its just that instead of being with another team its with their fans


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 04, 2007, 04:28:35 PM
I don't know about huge or anything, I have to admit that these are the first two series in a long time that we've lost to the Yanks where I could just shrug my shoulders and be merely disappointed.    Still it would have been nice to put another nail in the coffin.

I said 'would have been a huge win"

which is not the same as "was a huge loss"


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 04:45:35 PM
I don't know about huge or anything, I have to admit that these are the first two series in a long time that we've lost to the Yanks where I could just shrug my shoulders and be merely disappointed.    Still it would have been nice to put another nail in the coffin.

I said 'would have been a huge win"

which is not the same as "was a huge loss"

Well, you are proving to be a huge asshole about the entire experience.


Guess A-Rod's A-Bomb pissed you off more than most.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 04:47:01 PM
Quote
You havent been in a baseball rivalry in all your life

you fuhggodabout utley's greatest moment--the dodgers-phillies playoff of 1950.  ashburn, granmer, konstanty!  enough thrills for the little tyke to carry him thru a lifetime of schmuckery and assholedom.

And being a Dodgers fan, an asshole, and a schmuck, you can attest to that.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 04, 2007, 04:49:04 PM
I didn't know the Dodgers and Phillies had a playoff in 1950. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 04:49:17 PM
The Phillies have a very storied rivalry -- its just that instead of being with another team its with their fans

Good one. And probably true. The other prime rivalry would be with the Mets or the Cubs---generally, through the years battling to see who ends up last in the league.

Meanwhile, how about those Indians?!!!

That sure seems like the team to beat in the AL, at the moment.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 04, 2007, 04:51:30 PM
I don't know about huge or anything, I have to admit that these are the first two series in a long time that we've lost to the Yanks where I could just shrug my shoulders and be merely disappointed.    Still it would have been nice to put another nail in the coffin.

I said 'would have been a huge win"

which is not the same as "was a huge loss"

Well, you are proving to be a huge asshole about the entire experience.


Guess A-Rod's A-Bomb pissed you off more than most.


Can't say I enjoyed the pitch selection - as I believe I posted earlier.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: MrUtley3 on June 04, 2007, 04:55:45 PM
Speaking of which, did you see Benjie Molina's reaction to the pitch to Ryan Howard that he jacked to centerfield.

Classic.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 04, 2007, 07:26:52 PM
Why would I have seen it?

:)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: sweet_tata on June 04, 2007, 09:44:42 PM
Yankees throwing BP to the Chisox tonight. Looks like another 1 game winning streak will come to an end.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on June 05, 2007, 12:33:24 AM
This kid for the A's is really good.I did not realise he pitched against the Sox briefly in the 2004 series.I must have fallen asleep somewhere but how did Lenny Dinardo wind up in Oakland?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bosox18d on June 05, 2007, 01:11:36 AM
After Pineiro stinks up the 8th and the Sox tie it up Francona sends him out for the 9TH!How the heck they get out of a bases loaded nobody out must be a sign.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 07:23:57 AM
couple a three things

1-that "sign" as noted in the post above should be a STOP sign held by De Marlo Hale, Pedroia must have been out by 20 feet. Yeh Yeh I know the line,  "it took a perfect throw" IMO Damon would have nailed Pedroia.  :D

2-West Coast games should be day games

3-new Murphy's law: any late-nite extra inning west coast game will be decided in the next inning after I say: "the hell with it" and hit the sack.

another good game/crappy outcome

4-I'm going to miss the Soprano's, looks like Tony's team got a tough road trip too.


 



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 08:34:11 AM
Tough loss last night, I'm kind of glad I didn't bother to stay up this time around. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: thanatopsy on June 05, 2007, 08:44:27 AM
Clete Boyer, RIP:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/05/sports/05boyer.html

Great fielder and funny guy. His brother was also a great player.  Will be greatly missed. :'(


Title: Lester solid again
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 08:54:00 AM
Rehabbing lefthander Jon Lester picked up a win for the Triple-A Pawtucket Red Sox this afternoon in Norfolk, Va., giving up just one run over seven innings in the PawSox’s 5-1 victory.

Lester scattered four hits to go along with a walk and a strikeout. He threw 87 pitches, 54 for strikes. Norfolk's Luis Montanez hit a home run off Lester to lead off the bottom of the sixth inning for Norfolk's only run.

Lester's seven-inning effort was good for a complete game, as the PawSox and Norfolk Tides are playing a doubleheader today and each game is only seven innings instead of the usual nine.

Lester is now 1-1 with a 1.26 ERA for Pawtucket.


http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2007/06/lester_win.html?p1=MEWell_Pos4




Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 08:55:58 AM
Quote
I'm kind of glad I didn't bother to stay up this time around

the sox 9th-the Crisp/Pena H&R, and the A's 9th-bases loaded no out, ending with a nifty DP, almost made it worth it,

5:30A comes too early


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 08:58:49 AM
the one thing that jumped out at me re Lester start was the "only" 1 k.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 09:06:24 AM
Yeah, but I hope we bring him up soon.  I'm kind of getting tired of the bottom end of our rotation.  If only we could predict what starts Wakefield would be effective.....

Buchholz continues to be lights out in Portland, look for him to be promoted soon.  His K/BB ratio is phenomenal at 6.15 over 58 1/3 innings. 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 05, 2007, 09:10:39 AM
I'm so instinctively attuned to rooting against the Red Sox because of the division race, that I've yet to adjust to the fact that in games like last night's I should realistically be rooting for them.

It's going to be a long summer.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 09:11:17 AM
I wonder with the way Tavarez has pitched (pretty good for a 5 matched-it seems-against the #1) and the way Wakes has (pretty bad for the past few starts-or maybe he just needs a few non-Y starts) whether Lester may takes Wakes place in the rotation,

or if Tito will continue to show Pedroia-type patience with Wakes.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 09:14:21 AM
I'm so instinctively attuned to rooting against the Red Sox because of the division race, that I've yet to adjust to the fact that in games like last night's I should realistically be rooting for them.

It's going to be a long summer.

yank-welcome to the wonderful world of the wild card, you'll learn to love it

you start checking SC to see what happened in that crucial Mariners-Tiger game


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 09:17:16 AM
Yeah, I never could root for the Yanks even when it meant something in the WC race.  Apathetic was as best as I could get


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 05, 2007, 09:25:13 AM
I was pretty happy with the Tampa/KC result yesterday.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 05, 2007, 09:36:41 AM
I also thought it was a nice ninth.

I guess Pedroia isn't as fast as Crisp.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 09:41:35 AM
that ball Ortiz hit was a freakin' Rocket (see below) that bounced about straight back to the CFer in no time, so my 2nd guess of the day-Pedroia should have just been held at 3rd. And hope that Manny brings them home.

seems there was/is some speculation that the Ys could bail on Rocket & the dough. What happened with his MRI?



Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 09:46:01 AM
It kind of surprises me how slow Pedroia is -- you'd think a little guy like that would be faster


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 09:46:44 AM
I heard the MRI checked out ok


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 05, 2007, 09:48:44 AM
I'd try to get out from the Clemens' contract as well, but it would probably make future negotiations/signings a little more difficult.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 09:52:18 AM
I think for PR reasons Clemens would have to initiate the bail talks if he really feels he's unable to pitch. Then maybe he becomes another Sr. Yankee Pitching Mentor for ~ $3MM a month.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 05, 2007, 09:54:36 AM
In fairness to DP, Crisp was running on the WMP hit.

But I love Crisp's speed. In the previous game, I got a kick out of the reactions of the 3 runners when Dustin hit that double off Pettitte. Varitek tagged up, WMP kind of eased into home and Crisp was about two feet behind WMP.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 05, 2007, 09:55:09 AM
It kind of surprises me how slow Pedroia is -- you'd think a little guy like that would be faster

You majored in physiology, I guess.  :)


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 09:58:41 AM
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In fairness to DP, Crisp was running on the WMP hit.

seeing that historically the H&R has been about the least used weapon in the sox arsenal, and they generally don't work as well as that, that play was about perfectly executed


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 05, 2007, 10:31:01 AM
Yeah - Wily Mo really hit that "mistake".  Hit another one a mile a few innings prior.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 05, 2007, 10:32:00 AM
Yeah, I was wrong.  WMP is a great hitter.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 05, 2007, 10:37:59 AM
That right?


Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 05, 2007, 10:48:53 AM
No.  But I figured, "why bother?"


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 05, 2007, 10:51:53 AM
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Yeah, I was wrong.  WMP is a great hitter.

And a snappy dresser.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 10:55:26 AM
If WMP played everyday, he would set a major league record for whiffs


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 11:15:04 AM
WMP is having a tough year, and has regressed BUT without checking stats IIRC last year when he did get the chance to play more often becasue of DLed comrades, his Ks declined and his contact rate increased. He was becoming a better hitter. The problem for WMP is given his awkwardness in the OF, he needs to be a FT DH for someone else.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: PK on June 05, 2007, 11:57:38 AM
OK, I'm calling on Daisuke to put together a quality start tonight. If he can go deep into the game tonight, and DiNardo is DiNardo, that sets up the team well for the rest of the week.



Title: Re: American League
Post by: yankguy on June 05, 2007, 12:20:13 PM
Feeling Stronger Everday:

Yankguy, Sr.  has been sick now for at least a month.  He just called me to complain about Josh Phelps, though, so I sense a corner has been turned.


Title: Re: American League
Post by: bankshot1 on June 05, 2007, 12:29:07 PM
OK, I'm calling on Daisuke to put together a quality start tonight. If he can go deep into the game tonight, and DiNardo is DiNardo, that sets up the team well for the rest of the week.

after 2 bad starts, one flu related, it seems he tossed his cookies better than he tossed the ball, the other Tribe related, hopefully he'll return to the form of the games (Tigers, Braves) he had just before those.

boz-what's your 2 scents on Dice-k?

and boz-i'm glad you took me up on the suggestion to post to an appreciative though generally clueless audience in Elba.

heh

edit : get well to yankguy Sr.

 


Title: Re: American League
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 05, 2007, 12:41:33 PM