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Title: Movies
Post by: liquidsilver on July 30, 2018, 12:02:06 PM
Discuss your favorite movies.
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Post by: FlyingVProd on July 30, 2018, 05:00:10 PM
Here are two great movies that you can only find on You Tube, for free, you cannot buy them.

"Harrison Bergeron"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBcpuBRUdNs

And Orson Welles' version of "Othello"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09NWcKA7JKw

These are two great films that you cannot buy, which can only be found on You Tube for free. It is awesome that they can be found on You Tube.

Salute,

Tony V.
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Post by: barton on August 03, 2018, 11:51:44 AM
Claire Foy has a noteworthy role in "Unsane," as an office worker who goes through a harrowing involuntary commitment to a private mental hospital (part of an insurance scam). The plot is fairly off-the-shelf in a "bad day keeps getting worse" motif (turns out her former stalker is now an orderly at the hospital), but Soderbergh's experimental approach (which includes shooting the whole film secretly, on an Iphone) makes something that could have been generic quite fascinating. This is NOT a "found footage" film, btw - the production quality is actually excellent and I did not realize until after watching the brief DVD extra that the film was made on an Iphone.

Foy is an actress to watch - considerable talent and screen presence who, in this film, shows her power to completely inhabit a character. There's a scene where she is brought breakfast in a padded room and you feel certain she went full Method Acting on this - skipping a couple meals perhaps - and wolfing it down in a way that I rarely see actors do. No fake chewing here - that girl was hungry.

(after two seasons of "The Crown," what fun it must have been to cram half an egg mcmuffin into one's mouth in front of a camera)
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Post by: whiskeypriest on August 06, 2018, 07:14:18 PM
Sad news of the death of producer Vincenzo Labella marred by an In Bruges induced snot shot upon reading that he was the producer of Jesus of Fucking Nazareth, with Robert Fucking Powell in the title role.
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Post by: barton on August 07, 2018, 09:36:28 AM
Sfunny, I was just reading this,  regarding children in Belgium....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/children-are-being-euthanized-in-belgium/2018/08/06/9473bac2-9988-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9f9a49d7298c (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/children-are-being-euthanized-in-belgium/2018/08/06/9473bac2-9988-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9f9a49d7298c)

The chocolates are just for getting them to consent...
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on August 07, 2018, 12:26:31 PM
It's a film thread.  Not a "use the topic to be snide to others" thread. 
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Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 07, 2018, 02:48:18 PM
It's a film thread.  Not a "use the topic to be snide to others" thread.

So, why are you doing so, snide one?

You don't know kid. He'd be open-minded enough to go see Spike Lee.

Now, move along, Barney Phife. I'm sure there's some real crimes out there In which you can stick your big nose.
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Post by: smithtod1 on August 10, 2018, 12:13:49 AM
What's going on?
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Post by: barton on August 10, 2018, 12:27:24 AM
Now there's a forum moniker I haven't seen in a few years.  Hi,  Smith.   You still in the Dakotas somewhere?   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on August 13, 2018, 11:16:40 AM
Smithtod!

Have you seen Spike Lee's new movie, anyone?  Hearing good things.  And the topic seems pretty timely.



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Post by: whiskeypriest on August 17, 2018, 07:43:17 PM
Watched The Last Jedi because having seen the first seven I felt duty bound to do so. Eh. I thought it was ok. Until the very end, when a slave child walks out with a broom he holds like a light saber and a Resistance ring and I realized I was not seeing the end of episode 8 but the set up for episodes 10,.11 and 12. Holy shit this Fucking thing will never end.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on August 17, 2018, 11:23:57 PM
Someone needs to build a deathstar that works.
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Post by: bodiddley on August 18, 2018, 01:43:36 AM
I've never seen a Star Wars film . . .
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Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 18, 2018, 11:44:04 AM
I predict "Black Klansman" wins the Best Picture For 2018.
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Post by: jbottle on August 21, 2018, 01:52:25 PM
Smitty, what up?

I've seen "baby driver" like 50 times now because it's always on SHO, don't pay for HBO or Max for whatever reason, $$, been watching "Get Shorty" the tv series, which is acually better than the movie, darker, and more true to what I thought EL would have envisioned.

Elmore Leonard test:  Who does it best?  Soderbergh, Tarantino, whoever did GS, or the the Peter Weller one, "cat chaser" I think.
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Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 21, 2018, 02:52:28 PM
"Three Identical Strangers" ...see it.
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Post by: whiskeypriest on August 22, 2018, 02:51:09 PM
Albuquerque/Winifred has died.  RIP Nothing left on her grave but Clorox bottles and flyswatters with red dots 0n 'em.

https://youtu.be/4BYyDusJYJo (https://youtu.be/4BYyDusJYJo)
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Post by: barton on August 23, 2018, 11:27:06 AM
I was just watching something with Keith Carradine when I heard about Ms Harris.  Altman cast everyone perfectly, though Carradine didn't think so at first.  He hated his character, then realized that's why Altman chose him, because he wanted "Tom" to be somewhat self-loathing. 
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Post by: whiskeypriest on August 23, 2018, 12:44:14 PM
Second greatest movie ever.
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Post by: oilcan on August 24, 2018, 11:54:11 AM
Smitty, what up?

I've seen "baby driver" like 50 times now because it's always on SHO, don't pay for HBO or Max for whatever reason, $$, been watching "Get Shorty" the tv series, which is acually better than the movie, darker, and more true to what I thought EL would have envisioned.

Elmore Leonard test:  Who does it best?  Soderbergh, Tarantino, whoever did GS, or the the Peter Weller one, "cat chaser" I think.

Soderbergh, for Out of Sight.  With Jackie Brown and 310 to Yuma maybe a close second/third. (Taratino and Mangold, respectively)

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 25, 2018, 04:36:58 PM
We have one of the best film schools in the world here in the O.C., Dodge College at Chapman University. Here is a link for a page with some student films on it...

https://vimeo.com/album/1965724

I need to get some new headshots made, and I want to submit to act in student films here locally. 

Salute,

Tony V.
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Post by: oilcan on August 28, 2018, 06:05:13 PM
Black Klansman is pretty good.   It's darkly comic but also disturbing because the major roles are real people.   A good reminder of how human desire to be "in the club" and find love and camaraderie can take people to bad places.   Lee isn't coy about what he wants to say about right now in America.   But maybe he doesn't really need the coda with Charlottesville footage.   He's already allowed the viewers to make the connection.  He doesn't need to be Michael Moore. 
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Post by: Hamilton Samuels on August 29, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
"Crazy Rich Asian" was colorful and interesting. Not up to the to rom-com standard of "My Big Greek Fat Wedding", but a fun watch.
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Post by: jbottle on September 03, 2018, 12:50:00 PM
As ethnic movies go, not as self-consciously Jewish as a Woody Allen movie, but as Asian rom-com goes it nailed all the low hanging stereotype fruit...[cough]...
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Post by: barton on September 03, 2018, 03:38:42 PM
Banana is the Asian metaphor equivalent to Oreo.   Some good jokes,  lots of trite but fun stuff,  and Singapore has great sky candy.  I heart Gemma Chan,  who plays a sister.   She's also great in the UK science fiction series "Humans. " 
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Post by: jbottle on September 03, 2018, 09:55:54 PM
Do they address the Asian porn famine??

Terrible.
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Post by: jbottle on September 05, 2018, 12:02:05 AM
Just saw “Thunderheart” again, really good.
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Post by: barton on September 05, 2018, 05:27:46 PM
When I saw Wind River last year,  I recalled Thunderheart having some similar theme elements and wondered if I wanted to see it again.   Both movies,  as is the case with almost all NA themed films,  have Graham Greene in the cast.   Might have a look. 
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Post by: FlyingVProd on September 06, 2018, 03:36:41 PM
Burt Reynolds, Movie Star Who Played It for Grins, Dies at 82
 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/celebrity/burt-reynolds-movie-star-who-played-it-for-grins-dies-at-82/ar-BBMY3KT?OCID=ansmsnnews11 

--------------

RIP Burt.

Burt Reynolds was great. 

Salute,

Tony V. 
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Post by: oilcan on September 17, 2018, 03:25:50 PM
We're going crazy out there at the lake.

Just rewatched season two of "Fargo, " which is the best season of the three so far,  and so artfully captures the spirit of the original film.   
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Post by: barton on September 20, 2018, 11:35:23 AM
SPOILERS FOR "TULLY"

Seriously, this movie has quite the plot twist and so I'm going to type a couple of run-on sentences in here, just in case you absent-mindedly kept reading past the SPOILER ALERT or somehow have the notion that maybe you can stop reading before it gets too spoilery. No. I am going to really really spoil this movie if I even obliquely allude to the plot twist in the final reel. OK, then.

The movie started out for me as a fairly standard indie dramedy with some fairly standard off-the-shelf parts about modern family life, and middle-aged motherhood, and the amusing rigors of affluent suburban life. I probably would have bailed, if not for a strong cast - Charlize Theron, Mark Duplass, Rob Livingston and a new-ish face, Mackenzie Davis, who plays the "night nanny" that Theron's wealthy brother hires for her as a support system for a middle-aged mom with a newborn and a couple of kids already (one of them is "quirky," which is apparently the term that everyone in the movie settles on for the autistic/Asperger's boy).

But then the nanny offers an extra service that seems quite above and beyond the call of duty - and which you wouldn't expect to see in her CV. The scene is a bit surreal, but the film presents it a way that dulls the edges of implausbility enough to keep you thinking it's real and maybe this is something that's even a trend in some part of the country you don't live in.

From this point on, the movie had me well-hooked. And, looking back, I don't quite understand how I didn't see the Big Reveal coming at the end. Plenty of bread crumbs were dropped for me. I usually can smell this particular twist coming a mile away. I can imagine real pleasure in watching again, knowing the true status of Tully the nanny, and considering the clever allegorical story that it all becomes when you understand that status.

Grade: A (in spite of my general aversion to films that focus too often on the details of lactation and breast pumps)
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Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 20, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
"Juliet, Naked" very entertaining. Have to love Ethan Hawke.

"The Wife", Glenn Close Oscar nomination coming.

See them both, but see "The Wife", now.
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Post by: oilcan on October 16, 2018, 12:17:04 PM
I liked Tully.  Haven't seen Juliet, Naked, but any film that has naked in the title tweaks primitive Cro-Magnon movie instincts, and Ethan Hawke has been really getting better as an actor in the past decade.  I don't recommend Hereditary, which was too unrelievedly grim and then just turned into a bunch of better horror film ripoffs at the end.  A Star is Born is just shit, just like the previous version was. 
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Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 16, 2018, 05:11:21 PM
I can rec "Tully", also. Dark comedy with a message---hang in there, it's worth it.
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Post by: bodiddley on October 24, 2018, 04:26:16 AM
I found Tully pretty average and not that engaging.
The pieces didn't come together or add up to much for me.

I would strongly rec Young Adult for a Reitman/Cody/Theron film.  Just looked it up and that was way back in 2011 (I would have thought 2013 or'14).  Actually these two films are really companion pieces, so if you liked Tully, check out Young Adult.

Tully had a lot of writerly tricks which didn't work for me and were too visible on screen.  While I thought Young Adult remained unpredictable and fresh.
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Post by: whiskeypriest on November 16, 2018, 12:30:38 PM
It seems William Goldman finally went up against a Sicilian when DEATH was on the line. RIP
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Post by: oilcan on November 16, 2018, 01:02:02 PM
"What happened to the old bank? It was beautiful.”

“People kept robbing it.”

“Small price to pay for beauty.”

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Post by: whiskeypriest on November 16, 2018, 01:18:42 PM
"What happened to the old bank? It was beautiful.”

“People kept robbing it.”

“Small price to pay for beauty.”
When I heard Goldman died, I thought of a line, from the movie where Winslet and Diaz switch houses, about an old time screenwriter played by Eli Wallach: there are things we say that we only say because he wrote them first.

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Post by: Hamilton Samuels on November 16, 2018, 04:56:27 PM
Maybe, just maybe..."he's only mostly dead".
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Post by: barton on November 16, 2018, 06:49:07 PM
Inconceivable!


One of the true masters.   
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Post by: whiskeypriest on November 21, 2018, 12:23:14 PM
The Ballad of Buster Scruggs is now streaming on Netflix after a brief qualifying run in theaters. Not top flight Coens, but still pretty good. I particularly liked the last two segments, with Zoe Kazan and Bill Heck finding love on a wagon train, only to have the Coens upset our expectations, the bastards, and five people riding in a stagecoach with death hovering above them in a figurative and literal sense. Great torrents of words you dare not laugh at lest you miss something and a slowly darkening mood as three of the riders start to realize there may be something... otherworldly about the whole journey.  Also features the bleakest, darkest episode I think the Coens have have ever filmed, and a chilling, merciless smile from Liam Neeson to wrap it up. Also, Tom Waits was born - or at least aged - to play a grizzled prospectors.

Well willing to forgive that the titular first episode is the  brothers in my least favorite of their modes, and that the second is essentially a 15 minute filmed version of an old joke. A wading in before.the abyss as it were.
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Post by: oilcan on November 22, 2018, 03:42:22 PM
"The quality of mercy is not strained,  it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven. "

Never going to hear that line the same again.   



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Post by: whiskeypriest on November 22, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
That made me want to stick my head in the oven. Fortunately electric.
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Post by: barton on November 24, 2018, 10:52:28 AM
We don't have Netflix but are doing a one month free trial mostly to see TBoBS.   

I will read your more extended review at 3rd Eye,  when we've watched it.   

Last night I plumbed what is truly the bottom tier of Coeniana with "Suburbicon."  An incoherent goatfuck of trite and poorly connected cliches of the 50s, which systematically exterminates almost the entire cast without any real feeling of either loss or gain.   As sterile as its suburban countertops.   Surprised Joel and Ethan didn't Alan Smithee their script contribution. 
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Post by: whiskeypriest on November 24, 2018, 11:58:43 AM
I figured there was a reason they did not make it themselves.
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Post by: FlyingVProd on December 13, 2018, 05:47:46 PM
On the issue of helping the stars and the filmmakers of the future...

Actors need to help each other out during the hard times, and Meryl Streep lived in a commune for a time before she was big and famous. The actors who are big and rich and famous need to help out the actors who are starving by buying places like the Oban Hotel in Hollywood, on Yucca, and making it into a hostel for actors. More communes for actors and writers and filmmakers would also be good.

In the old days there were nuns who ran apartments for starving actresses, etc, and there needs to be more help for starving artists.

The Princess Grace Awards helps actors and filmmakers by awarding them grants so that they can focus on studying, and creating art, etc, and there needs to be more stuff like that. (And I told them to help the students at the AADA where Princess Grace Kelly Grimaldi studied acting, etc)

And the big studios can do more to help the starving artists too, a lot more can be done.

There is a charity group which gets jobs for the homeless people, the charity is Chrysalis, and they get homeless actors and filmmakers jobs working at the Sony Studios in Culver City, and they are establishing a relationship with Disneyland in Anaheim to get the homeless people jobs working at Disney, etc.

More needs to be done to help the starving actors and filmmakers here in Hollywood. Someday they will be rich and famous, but right now many are starving, and they need a helping hand.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on December 14, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
People in third world countries are snickering at "starving actresses...." 

I think hostels, set up as artist hubs, is a good idea, though.  It's a little easier to practice your lines, and show up for auditions, if you aren't busting your hump in a minimum wage job just to make rent. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on January 07, 2019, 11:48:15 AM
You all would like "Vice."  Good performances, some very funny/dark moments, and an hilarious mid-credits cut to a focus group that's discussing the movie itself (IOW, don't leave when the credits roll). 
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Post by: barton on January 07, 2019, 12:11:40 PM
I did, with some reservations....here's a comment I left at Third Eye:

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I liked "Vice," an amusing and unapologetically mocking dark comedy, but it definitely has some weak spots. Steve Carell is somehow just wrong as Donald Rumsfeld and made me intensely aware that he was Steve Carell doing a caricature. Almost cartoonish. And I could say much the same about Sam Rockwell as GW Bush (admittedly, Josh Brolin is a tough act to follow). I would also question the degree of coldness that is imputed to Cheney (not that he wasn't a bastard) in regard to his daughter's congress race and her tossing her sister under the Sanctity of Marriage bus. While one can argue that Cheney was some sort of evil puppet-master of the W administration, I tend to think it was likely more of an ensemble effort. There were some informative sidebars and captions that deliver some interesting information (a bit reminiscent of The Big Short) for younger viewers who may not have been aware of Cheney's adherence to the concept of the "unitary executive."

It's the kind of movie that should send any honest person off to spend a few hours fact-checking. Unfortunately, most viewers will probably just place a few checkmarks on either a Knew That checklist or a Fake News checklist.   
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Post by: josh on January 07, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
I did, with some reservations....here's a comment I left at Third Eye:

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I liked "Vice," an amusing and unapologetically mocking dark comedy, but it definitely has some weak spots. Steve Carell is somehow just wrong as Donald Rumsfeld and made me intensely aware that he was Steve Carell doing a caricature. Almost cartoonish. And I could say much the same about Sam Rockwell as GW Bush (admittedly, Josh Brolin is a tough act to follow). I would also question the degree of coldness that is imputed to Cheney (not that he wasn't a bastard) in regard to his daughter's congress race and her tossing her sister under the Sanctity of Marriage bus. While one can argue that Cheney was some sort of evil puppet-master of the W administration, I tend to think it was likely more of an ensemble effort. There were some informative sidebars and captions that deliver some interesting information (a bit reminiscent of The Big Short) for younger viewers who may not have been aware of Cheney's adherence to the concept of the "unitary executive."

It's the kind of movie that should send any honest person off to spend a few hours fact-checking. Unfortunately, most viewers will probably just place a few checkmarks on either a Knew That checklist or a Fake News checklist.   

Sounds about right.
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Post by: whiskeypriest on January 22, 2019, 01:28:21 PM
Biggest surprise on the Oscar noms today has to be Pawel Pawelkowski being nominated for Cold War, over Cooper and Farrley. Haven't seen it, but I thought his earlier BFL winner Ida was a strikingly beautiful snooze.

Look forward to watching Tim Blake Nelson and Willie Watson during on WaCTHSfW at the show. Hope Nelson gets wings and his harp.
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Post by: barton on January 22, 2019, 08:36:41 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/14/movies/netflix-ballad-of-buster-scruggs.html

The spouse and I continue to avoid streaming services for several reasons,  so we're effectively shut out of Scruggs.  The anti moviehouse business model has just firmed up our boycott of Nflix.   Movies belong in theaters, and AA nominees especially should have extended theatrical releases and second runs.   (same comment on Roma)

You should run that acronym past Bill Weeden...
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Post by: barton on February 23, 2019, 11:09:46 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/feb/23/trump-picks-up-two-razzies-as-holmes-watson-dominates-worst-of-hollywood

When I read that "Etan Cohen" won worst director I had a moment of confusion, but Wikipedia resolved it...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etan_Cohen

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Post by: barton on February 24, 2019, 03:12:49 PM
While I'm on about spellings of names, why do the Irish need so many vowels when one would suffice?

Take Saoirse Ronan (nominated last year, in LadyBird).  It's Sur-sheh.  Dump the "aoi" and use a "u" and everyone can go home. 

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Post by: josh on February 24, 2019, 10:29:01 PM
While I'm on about spellings of names, why do the Irish need so many vowels when one would suffice?

Take Saoirse Ronan (nominated last year, in LadyBird).  It's Sur-sheh.  Dump the "aoi" and use a "u" and everyone can go home.

Cof, cof.
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Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 10:05:32 AM
While I'm on about spellings of names, why do the Irish need so many vowels when one would suffice?

Because the English were teaching them to spell.
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Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 10:13:00 AM
The Fair and Equal Oscars were held last night, making sure everyone both loved and hated who in whatever category was given a trophy.

Shocker of the evening was not that the most boring film of the year (Roma) did not receive an award, but that Glenn Close was denied the statuette.

It worked well with no host, producing only two awkward moments---Samuel L. Jackson's inability to read the script, and stunning-in-pink Julia Roberts left on the stage at the end meekly saying into the camera, essentially, "That's all, folks!"


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Post by: barton on February 25, 2019, 11:48:31 AM
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Shocker of the evening was not that the most boring film of the year (Roma) did not receive an award...   

Cinematography, directing, foreign film.  Won 3 awards.  So, yes, that wasn't a shocker. 



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Post by: whiskeypriest on February 25, 2019, 12:07:47 PM
The complete non-shocker was that Hollywood's Glory Syndrome, in which the Black experience can best be presented through its effects on White people, is alive and well.
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Post by: barton on February 25, 2019, 03:28:37 PM
Bingo bongo!

Yeah, there were, what, four widely distributed movies that approached the black experience through black people, but the best pic pick was the one that didn't so much.

 
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Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 04:45:46 PM
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Shocker of the evening was not that the most boring film of the year (Roma) did not receive an award...   

Cinematography, directing, foreign film.  Won 3 awards.  So, yes, that wasn't a shocker.

Excuse me THE BEST PICTURE Award...which it had business being nominated for, in the first place.

Glad I could clear that up for you.
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Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 04:49:26 PM
Bingo bongo!

Yeah, there were, what, four widely distributed movies that approached the black experience through black people, but the best pic pick was the one that didn't so much.

Maybe that is because whites are the key to changing the black experience, as they've always been, since 1619.

Btw, is Spike Lee still throwing a hissy fit like some 12 year old girl?

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Post by: barton on February 25, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
Green Book was maybe just intended to be a buddy movie, in which case it may be too modest a movie to really be much concerned with authentic tracking of racial experience, whatever that may be.  My reading of reactions to it, from friends, is that it drew rather uninspiredly on the tropes of Magical Negro and White Saviour, as a way to make it more "accessible."  Usually when I hear that word, I'm hearing about a film that lacks what seems to me to be that special voice that resounds from great movies.

Instead of name-calling, consider the possibility that Lee saw the deficiency I just outlined. 
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Post by: HamiltonIII on February 25, 2019, 10:29:43 PM
Green Book was maybe just intended to be a buddy movie, in which case it may be too modest a movie to really be much concerned with authentic tracking of racial experience, whatever that may be.  My reading of reactions to it, from friends, is that it drew rather uninspiredly on the tropes of Magical Negro and White Saviour, as a way to make it more "accessible."  Usually when I hear that word, I'm hearing about a film that lacks what seems to me to be that special voice that resounds from great movies.

Instead of name-calling, consider the possibility that Lee saw the deficiency I just outlined.

Did you SEE "Green Book", because none of that White Savior BS applies.

It's just a form of  entertainment in which two characters of vastly different types become friends. If anything, the Savior in the movie was the black character, nit the white character. Anyone insisting that there is some litmus test to pass for making a movie involving racially different characters is an idiot, or has his or her own agenda.

Lee is not the final arbiter of art, and merely showed himself to be a stereotypical sore loser.

His statement about losing to someone driving a car every twenty years may have inspired his outfit, though. He was dressed in a purple chauffer's outfit.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 01, 2019, 01:41:17 PM
So aside from a racist mockery of Lee's clothing choices, which pretty much undermines everything else you said on the lofty topic of racism and litmus tests (whatever those are)....where is your evidence he is a sore loser?  Maybe he was just disgusted at the choice of an okay buddy movie for Best Picture.  And honest enough to show his disgust.  Lots of movies are "just a form of entertainment."  That doesn't really qualify them for best picture.  If Guillermo del Toro had registered the same disapproval for the Best Pic choice, what would you have done?  Tell me he's not the final arbiter of art and that he was dressed like a Tijuana pimp? 

And I'm still confused at this strawman "final arbiter of art" - who said anyone is the final arbiter of art?  People have opinions.  Some of them, like Lee, openly express them.  That doesn't mean they are having a "hissy fit....like a 12 year old girl." 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 01, 2019, 03:22:45 PM
So aside from a racist mockery of Lee's clothing choices, which pretty much undermines everything else you said on the lofty topic of racism and litmus tests (whatever those are)....where is your evidence he is a sore loser?  Maybe he was just disgusted at the choice of an okay buddy movie for Best Picture.  And honest enough to show his disgust.  Lots of movies are "just a form of entertainment."  That doesn't really qualify them for best picture.  If Guillermo del Toro had registered the same disapproval for the Best Pic choice, what would you have done?  Tell me he's not the final arbiter of art and that he was dressed like a Tijuana pimp? 

And I'm still confused at this strawman "final arbiter of art" - who said anyone is the final arbiter of art?  People have opinions.  Some of them, like Lee, openly express them.  That doesn't mean they are having a "hissy fit....like a 12 year old girl."

After presenter Julia Roberts announced “Green Book” as Best Picture, AP reporter Andrew Dalton was one of several journalists who noticed Lee wave his arms in anger before storming out of the theater. However, before he could leave, he was stopped at the doors and was forced to return to his seat once the speeches had stopped.

Jordan Peele, the Oscar-winning writer-director behind last year’s “Get Out,” reportedly didn’t clap either, nor did other attendees nearby.

The backlash appears to be in response to controversy surrounding the film, which had been criticized for perpetuating what some saw as a “white savior” narrative approach to examining race relations.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/)


You really should know what you are talking about before you express such idiocy as the above.Nothing racist. Anywhere, but in Lee's, and apparently, your minds.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 01, 2019, 03:44:54 PM
You're shifting the topic.  I didn't say the film was racist.  I said I understood that some argued that it had a racist cliche or two, and that this opinion was part of their basis for asserting it wasn't best picture.  All you argue, so far, is that anyone who has that opinion and not yours, is an idiot.  That argument is only persuasive if you are somehow sovereign over all our movie viewing and how we may react. 

Nor does informing me that Spike Lee looked angry give me a detailed understanding of his opinions.  Maybe you can make fun of his clothes again or call him a twelve year old girl having a hissy fit.  That'll convince me!

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 01, 2019, 03:54:29 PM
So aside from a racist mockery of Lee's clothing choices, which pretty much undermines everything else you said on the lofty topic of racism and litmus tests (whatever those are)....where is your evidence he is a sore loser?  Maybe he was just disgusted at the choice of an okay buddy movie for Best Picture.  And honest enough to show his disgust.  Lots of movies are "just a form of entertainment."  That doesn't really qualify them for best picture.  If Guillermo del Toro had registered the same disapproval for the Best Pic choice, what would you have done?  Tell me he's not the final arbiter of art and that he was dressed like a Tijuana pimp? 

And I'm still confused at this strawman "final arbiter of art" - who said anyone is the final arbiter of art?  People have opinions.  Some of them, like Lee, openly express them.  That doesn't mean they are having a "hissy fit....like a 12 year old girl."

After presenter Julia Roberts announced “Green Book” as Best Picture, AP reporter Andrew Dalton was one of several journalists who noticed Lee wave his arms in anger before storming out of the theater. However, before he could leave, he was stopped at the doors and was forced to return to his seat once the speeches had stopped.

Jordan Peele, the Oscar-winning writer-director behind last year’s “Get Out,” reportedly didn’t clap either, nor did other attendees nearby.

The backlash appears to be in response to controversy surrounding the film, which had been criticized for perpetuating what some saw as a “white savior” narrative approach to examining race relations.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/)


You really should know what you are talking about before you express such idiocy as the above.Nothing racist. Anywhere, but in Lee's, and apparently, your minds.

It's as if you didn't even read the quote you  posted!

What do you think "a white savior narrative" is???! It's racist.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 01, 2019, 04:58:55 PM
So aside from a racist mockery of Lee's clothing choices, which pretty much undermines everything else you said on the lofty topic of racism and litmus tests (whatever those are)....where is your evidence he is a sore loser?  Maybe he was just disgusted at the choice of an okay buddy movie for Best Picture.  And honest enough to show his disgust.  Lots of movies are "just a form of entertainment."  That doesn't really qualify them for best picture.  If Guillermo del Toro had registered the same disapproval for the Best Pic choice, what would you have done?  Tell me he's not the final arbiter of art and that he was dressed like a Tijuana pimp? 

And I'm still confused at this strawman "final arbiter of art" - who said anyone is the final arbiter of art?  People have opinions.  Some of them, like Lee, openly express them.  That doesn't mean they are having a "hissy fit....like a 12 year old girl."

After presenter Julia Roberts announced “Green Book” as Best Picture, AP reporter Andrew Dalton was one of several journalists who noticed Lee wave his arms in anger before storming out of the theater. However, before he could leave, he was stopped at the doors and was forced to return to his seat once the speeches had stopped.

Jordan Peele, the Oscar-winning writer-director behind last year’s “Get Out,” reportedly didn’t clap either, nor did other attendees nearby.

The backlash appears to be in response to controversy surrounding the film, which had been criticized for perpetuating what some saw as a “white savior” narrative approach to examining race relations.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/)


You really should know what you are talking about before you express such idiocy as the above.Nothing racist. Anywhere, but in Lee's, and apparently, your minds.

It's as if you didn't even read the quote you  posted!

What do you think "a white savior narrative" is???! It's racist.
Hamilton will always - ALWAYS - offer precisely the argument you would expect a racist to make. Including,  " No, YOU'RE a racist" and consistently negatively judging the behavior of black people.

Black persons did not clap for Green Book. White person presenter Brie Larson, for one example, did not clap for Casey Affleck two years ago. Half the white audience protested Elia Kazan's Honorary Oscar by leaving or sitting on their hands.  Guess who Hamilton has a problem with.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 02, 2019, 10:42:45 AM
You're shifting the topic.  I didn't say the film was racist.  I said I understood that some argued that it had a racist cliche or two, and that this opinion was part of their basis for asserting it wasn't best picture.  All you argue, so far, is that anyone who has that opinion and not yours, is an idiot.  That argument is only persuasive if you are somehow sovereign over all our movie viewing and how we may react. 

Nor does informing me that Spike Lee looked angry give me a detailed understanding of his opinions.  Maybe you can make fun of his clothes again or call him a twelve year old girl having a hissy fit.  That'll convince me!


Did you see the fucking movie?

Apparently, not. There's no White Savior in it. There is a black Savior, though.

I didn't inform you Spije looks angry. I informed you he WAS angry.

And he was angry that the movie went to white artists.

And he was dressed as a chauffeur. The end.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 02, 2019, 10:47:26 AM
So aside from a racist mockery of Lee's clothing choices, which pretty much undermines everything else you said on the lofty topic of racism and litmus tests (whatever those are)....where is your evidence he is a sore loser?  Maybe he was just disgusted at the choice of an okay buddy movie for Best Picture.  And honest enough to show his disgust.  Lots of movies are "just a form of entertainment."  That doesn't really qualify them for best picture.  If Guillermo del Toro had registered the same disapproval for the Best Pic choice, what would you have done?  Tell me he's not the final arbiter of art and that he was dressed like a Tijuana pimp? 

And I'm still confused at this strawman "final arbiter of art" - who said anyone is the final arbiter of art?  People have opinions.  Some of them, like Lee, openly express them.  That doesn't mean they are having a "hissy fit....like a 12 year old girl."

After presenter Julia Roberts announced “Green Book” as Best Picture, AP reporter Andrew Dalton was one of several journalists who noticed Lee wave his arms in anger before storming out of the theater. However, before he could leave, he was stopped at the doors and was forced to return to his seat once the speeches had stopped.

Jordan Peele, the Oscar-winning writer-director behind last year’s “Get Out,” reportedly didn’t clap either, nor did other attendees nearby.

The backlash appears to be in response to controversy surrounding the film, which had been criticized for perpetuating what some saw as a “white savior” narrative approach to examining race relations.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2019/film/news/spike-lee-oscars-green-book-1203148178/amp/)


You really should know what you are talking about before you express such idiocy as the above.Nothing racist. Anywhere, but in Lee's, and apparently, your minds.

It's as if you didn't even read the quote you  posted!

What do you think "a white savior narrative" is???! It's racist.
Hamilton will always - ALWAYS - offer precisely the argument you would expect a racist to make. Including,  " No, YOU'RE a racist" and consistently negatively judging the behavior of black people.

Black persons did not clap for Green Book. White person presenter Brie Larson, for one example, did not clap for Casey Affleck two years ago. Half the white audience protested Elia Kazan's Honorary Oscar by leaving or sitting on their hands.  Guess who Hamilton has a problem with.

Fuck you, altar boy. You don't know shit, other than running around labeling anyone with a different opinion than you as a racist, you pusillanimous, pimple-faced, putrid, piece of anal pus.

Run along and defend the Church and its fudgepackers, you elephant turd.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 02, 2019, 01:13:52 PM
Confused now: is he anal pus or an elephant turd?  Those are two quite different things.

I don't have my copy of Lexicon of Angry American Eight Year Olds handy, atm.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 02, 2019, 01:42:07 PM
Confused now: is he anal pus or an elephant turd?  Those are two quite different things.

I don't have my copy of Lexicon of Angry American Eight Year Olds handy, atm.
Like I said, ha.ilton always reacts as a.racist reacts. As in assuming Lee acted as he did not because a specific movie with a typically Hlywood view of race won, but because any white won. Hamilton is white grievance entire. Any racial protest, and he attacks the blacks for it, for the content or the manner of it. White movie after white movis has won the Oscar with no peep from Lee. But Hamilton is always loath to admit any justice to Black protest, where he cannot attack the protest he attacks the protestor.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 02, 2019, 08:46:41 PM
Confused now: is he anal pus or an elephant turd?  Those are two quite different things.

I don't have my copy of Lexicon of Angry American Eight Year Olds handy, atm.
Like I said, ha.ilton always reacts as a.racist reacts. As in assuming Lee acted as he did not because a specific movie with a typically Hlywood view of race won, but because any white won. Hamilton is white grievance entire. Any racial protest, and he attacks the blacks for it, for the content or the manner of it. White movie after white movis has won the Oscar with no peep from Lee. But Hamilton is always loath to admit any justice to Black protest, where he cannot attack the protest he attacks the protestor.

No assumption, chimp smegma.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 04, 2019, 12:35:04 AM
I found much to like in Green Book, a warm dip in what may be some fantasy, which does provide a good buddy dramedy and an amusing role reversal.  Seemed like the two guys save each other, to some degree.  I doubt the the pianist, from what i know of musicians (living with them, and being one), actually blew off his final gig.  At the end of the day, you know that hurts the next group who wants a booking there.  And the next.

In a fictional interpretation, however, it delivers an easy feelgood  moment. 

Not a best pic, imo,  but a compelling look at loneliness and oddly matched friends. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 04, 2019, 01:20:17 PM
I found much to like in Green Book, a warm dip in what may be some fantasy, which does provide a good buddy dramedy and an amusing role reversal.  Seemed like the two guys save each other, to some degree.  I doubt the the pianist, from what i know of musicians (living with them, and being one), actually blew off his final gig.  At the end of the day, you know that hurts the next group who wants a booking there.  And the next.

In a fictional interpretation, however, it delivers an easy feelgood  moment. 

Not a best pic, imo,  but a compelling look at loneliness and oddly matched friends.

So, you realize this positive post on Green Book will make you a racist in the eyes of that fucking displaced to Arizona moralist who continually overlooks the disgusting immoral record of the Catholic Church.

While he gets himself into a lather over a movie, he stays mum on the rape and sexual abuse of women and children.

Sad.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 04, 2019, 05:45:47 PM
I can't find a sentence, or even a clause, in your post that seems true. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 04, 2019, 06:26:27 PM
I can't find a sentence, or even a clause, in your post that seems true.
I would not worry about it. There is no one whose opinion of me means less to me.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 04, 2019, 10:21:47 PM
I can't find a sentence, or even a clause, in your post that seems true.
I would not worry about it. There is no one whose opinion of me means less to me.

Though likely a couple of folks occupying the same prime real estate.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 04, 2019, 10:29:04 PM
You're shifting the topic.  I didn't say the film was racist.  I said I understood that some argued that it had a racist cliche or two, and that this opinion was part of their basis for asserting it wasn't best picture.  All you argue, so far, is that anyone who has that opinion and not yours, is an idiot.  That argument is only persuasive if you are somehow sovereign over all our movie viewing and how we may react. 

Nor does informing me that Spike Lee looked angry give me a detailed understanding of his opinions.  Maybe you can make fun of his clothes again or call him a twelve year old girl having a hissy fit.  That'll convince me!


Did you see the fucking movie?

Apparently, not. There's no White Savior in it.

Shockingly enough, I will take the dozens of African-Americans' opinions on this over yours.

One of many articles on the topic.
https://www.salon.com/2018/12/30/hollywood-still-loves-a-white-savior-green-book-and-the-lazy-feel-good-take-on-race/
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 06, 2019, 10:10:01 PM
You're shifting the topic.  I didn't say the film was racist.  I said I understood that some argued that it had a racist cliche or two, and that this opinion was part of their basis for asserting it wasn't best picture.  All you argue, so far, is that anyone who has that opinion and not yours, is an idiot.  That argument is only persuasive if you are somehow sovereign over all our movie viewing and how we may react. 

Nor does informing me that Spike Lee looked angry give me a detailed understanding of his opinions.  Maybe you can make fun of his clothes again or call him a twelve year old girl having a hissy fit.  That'll convince me!


Did you see the fucking movie?

Apparently, not. There's no White Savior in it.

Shockingly enough, I will take the dozens of African-Americans' opinions on this over yours.

One of many articles on the topic.
https://www.salon.com/2018/12/30/hollywood-still-loves-a-white-savior-green-book-and-the-lazy-feel-good-take-on-race/

So you did NOT see the movie.

The end.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 07, 2019, 10:47:32 PM
You're shifting the topic.  I didn't say the film was racist.  I said I understood that some argued that it had a racist cliche or two, and that this opinion was part of their basis for asserting it wasn't best picture.  All you argue, so far, is that anyone who has that opinion and not yours, is an idiot.  That argument is only persuasive if you are somehow sovereign over all our movie viewing and how we may react. 

Nor does informing me that Spike Lee looked angry give me a detailed understanding of his opinions.  Maybe you can make fun of his clothes again or call him a twelve year old girl having a hissy fit.  That'll convince me!


Did you see the fucking movie?

Apparently, not. There's no White Savior in it.

Shockingly enough, I will take the dozens of African-Americans' opinions on this over yours.

One of many articles on the topic.
https://www.salon.com/2018/12/30/hollywood-still-loves-a-white-savior-green-book-and-the-lazy-feel-good-take-on-race/

So you did NOT see the movie.

The end.

So, I saw the movie - and I understood the movie. But I still defer to the judgment of others over yours.

And had I thought as you thought and they had chimed in as they did, I would have reassessed my opinion.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 08, 2019, 04:57:22 PM
Well, you are easily influenced by others. Perhaps some day you'll learn to think for yourself.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 08, 2019, 05:32:40 PM
Well, you are easily influenced by others. Perhaps some day you'll learn to think for yourself.

You are still a bigot and as far as I can tell there is zero chance that you will learn to listen to those who know more than you.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 08, 2019, 06:54:40 PM
Because you know more than me, right, Professor? Naaah....you just like to threaten to ban people for telling the truth.

Bite me.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 08, 2019, 07:20:12 PM
Because you know more than me, right, Professor? Naaah....you just like to threaten to ban people for telling the truth.

Bite me.


No, Piggy. Because they know more than either of us.

But I figured that would be too subtle for you, in your haste to defend your bigotry.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 09, 2019, 09:45:44 AM
Taking a page from Lazy AZ Steve? Can't win an argument on it's merits? Label your opponent as a racist or bigot.

So, tell us, Joshie. Why did your wife leave you?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 09, 2019, 12:09:17 PM
Taking a page from Lazy AZ Steve? Can't win an argument on it's merits? Label your opponent as a racist or bigot.

So, tell us, Joshie. Why did your wife leave you?
It is merits? What is that supposed to mean, you fucking racist troll.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 09, 2019, 02:29:43 PM
Taking a page from Lazy AZ Steve? Can't win an argument on it's merits? Label your opponent as a racist or bigot.

So, tell us, Joshie. Why did your wife leave you?

Changing your argument, since you lost your way on the last one?

Piggy, you should stick to simpler questions like "when did you stop beating your wife?"

The argument about whether there is a white savior character in Green Book is the basis for the immediate observation that you are a racist, but you've been demonstrating that for years, now. It's not a new observation relative to this argument, merely one you illustrate anew.

Your decision to pretend that Michael Jackson is relevant to the discussion is just further proof.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 10, 2019, 08:28:48 AM
See? Joshie. Your "arguments" always boil down to the same concept. If one doesnt "get" or agree with you, they are a racist/bigot.

How sad that you lean on such a worn out crutch.

But again, why did she leave? Was it the scruffy, greying, beard that was perpetually reaking of the scent of Fritos? Was it the craft beer gut that seemed to grow larger with each successive day? Or was it the pictures she found in your phone that bankshit accidentally forwarded to you?

It's okay. You can share with us. We are here to support you.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: whiskeypriest on March 10, 2019, 09:35:05 AM
Consider for a moment the possibility that the reason people call you a racist or a bigot is not because you disagree with them, but that over the roughly 20 years you have been posting here or the NYT you have demonstrated again and again 5hat YOU ARE A RACIST AND A BIGOT. It is not the one thing. It is the dismal tide.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 10, 2019, 01:39:05 PM
Consider for a moment the possibility that the reason people call you a racist or a bigot is not because you disagree with them, but that over the roughly 20 years you have been posting here or the NYT you have demonstrated again and again 5hat YOU ARE A RACIST AND A BIGOT. It is not the one thing. It is the dismal tide.

He's rejected that.

His opinions are all well-founded, in his opinion, and he is better able to judge if a movie is about a white savior than any number of African-Americans are. Just ask him.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 10, 2019, 01:48:15 PM
See? Joshie. Your "arguments" always boil down to the same concept. If one doesnt "get" or agree with you, they are a racist/bigot.

How sad that you lean on such a worn out crutch.

But again, why did she leave? Was it the scruffy, greying, beard that was perpetually reaking of the scent of Fritos? Was it the craft beer gut that seemed to grow larger with each successive day? Or was it the pictures she found in your phone that bankshit accidentally forwarded to you?

It's okay. You can share with us. We are here to support you.

You think that shifting to fake personal attacks is better?

You make up stories about us, then spread them as if they were true.

You are a bigot, but you are also a liar, Piggy. And the day anybody here except Bambi would expect you to provide emotional support to them during a trying time would be shortly after Donald Trump admitted he is mentally ill, Putin apologized for taking over Crimea and returned it, and Kim Jong Un renounced his current form of government and strong arm tactics and stepped down after converting his country to a democracy.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on March 10, 2019, 01:59:31 PM
Go fuck yourself, Joshie.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 10, 2019, 02:15:39 PM
Go fuck yourself, Joshie.

Zzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on March 13, 2019, 01:58:14 PM
"Ma'am, I answered your question! I answered the darned... I'm cooperatin' here!"   

Quote
Huffman posted a $250,000 bond after an appearance in federal court in Los Angeles. Her husband, actor William H. Macy, has not been charged, though an FBI agent stated in an affidavit that he was in the room when Huffman first heard the pitch from a scam insider.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2019, 12:28:50 AM
DREAM FACTORY

How Women Built Early Hollywood – And Transformed Los Angeles

Hilary A. Hallett  

November 7, 2017 

https://www.kcet.org/shows/lost-la/how-women-built-early-hollywood-and-transformed-los-angeles

----------

Women make up a huge percentage of people in the entertainment industry. And when I worked at Universal, a woman hired me, and a woman was my boss.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on April 28, 2019, 02:34:23 PM
Anaheim needs to have a film and television industry, we have the Dodge Film School at Chapman, and we need for the film students to be able to work in Anaheim after they graduate.

And a good place for a studio in Anaheim is by the Julianna warehouse, the only bad thing is the proximity of the railroad tracks. There can also be filmmaking equipment rentals, etc, etc, etc. 

The city of Anaheim also needs to make it easy to get permits for filming. 

Southern California has some great film schools, and some great acting schools, etc, and we need for the students to be able to find employment after they graduate.

Anaheim needs to have an entertainment industry, and we need a studio, and equipment rentals.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on May 03, 2019, 09:11:34 AM
"Still" is a 2018 indie film shot in Georgia and set on a remote farm near the Appalachian Trail.  Very atmospheric but you can see the "mystery" of the farmer couple coming a mile away.  Diverting bit of allegory, but sort of clunky and annoying in the way characters decline to ask obvious questions that real people ask in those situations. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 14, 2019, 04:18:27 PM
Tim Conway was great, "The Apple Dumpling Gang" was some of my favorite work that he did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFv57wptS38

May he rest in peace.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 17, 2019, 05:48:14 PM
The Cannes Film Festival is going on right now.

https://www.festival-cannes.com/en/

The first Cannes Film Festival was on my Mother's Birthday.

I went to the Cannes Film Festival in 2000, a film titled "Dancer in the Dark" won the Palm d' Or that year.

I stayed at the Hotel Mondial, it was great, I could see the ocean from my balcony, the hotel is owned by Best Western now, I am not sure who owned it then.

http://www.hotellemondial.com/en/

I would love to go to the Cannes Film Festival every year.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 11, 2019, 05:48:20 PM
Someone tell me this is actually happening:

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10095582/
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on June 12, 2019, 06:40:02 PM
A Joel-Ethan bifurcation?  Zounds!

The project's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the pages of Variety... and then is heard no more.   

Of course, I might have doubted once the fast food version with Christopher Walken. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on June 13, 2019, 01:09:25 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/may/26/rocketman-review-right-spectacle-elton-john

Good biopic/musical.  And the second movie I've seen that uses "Tiny Dancer" to good effect.  (gold star, if you can guess the other one)  As well as deftly weaving in other selections from the John/Taupin playlist, perfectly capturing the mood.



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 13, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/may/26/rocketman-review-right-spectacle-elton-john

Good biopic/musical.  And the second movie I've seen that uses "Tiny Dancer" to good effect.  (gold star, if you can guess the other one)  As well as deftly weaving in other selections from the John/Taupin playlist, perfectly capturing the mood.
Almost Famous.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on June 13, 2019, 08:01:02 PM
"My son has been kidnapped by rock stars."

I liked EJ lyrics partly because they are distinctive....I often have trouble remembering rock lyrics exactly, but there are a dozen John songs I can easily recall in their entirety.   Even ones that got little airplay like "Grimsby. "
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on June 19, 2019, 12:24:00 PM
JOSH,

The Third Eye film forum might be closing, and archiving itself (with the Wayback Machine or whatever), and some there wondered if Elba could accommodate them (it's about six active members left).  That would involve adding a couple more film threads (but wouldn't need to transport any posts, just start fresh ones). 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 19, 2019, 12:57:58 PM
JOSH,

The Third Eye film forum might be closing, and archiving itself (with the Wayback Machine or whatever), and some there wondered if Elba could accommodate them (it's about six active members left).  That would involve adding a couple more film threads (but wouldn't need to transport any posts, just start fresh ones).
Wait... they let you in?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on June 19, 2019, 04:09:49 PM
Hahaha!  I'm "Knox" over at Elba, where I peek in intermittently.   Last I heard, the real OCB was raising four kids and busy with career and all.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 19, 2019, 06:38:50 PM
Who is there who is not here? Billy? Syd?

Current Film
Couch With a View

We already have trivia, Lobby is basically the rest of Elba. What else.gets used?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on June 19, 2019, 08:16:05 PM
Bill, Syd, Carol, Ghulam, Befade.  Grace stops by semiannually.   Yambu has vanished.

Bo, Oil, me,  Mr. Ferris Wheeler, already here. 

Yeah, Couch and Current should cover it.   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 26, 2019, 06:45:46 AM
"An American Woman". Oscar nomination for Sienna Miller's performance is due.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on June 26, 2019, 11:54:08 AM
Haven't yet had the pleasure, but you had me at "Sienna Miller."  She's been terrific in everything I've seen her in.


Rewatched Sita Sings the Blues, again.  Damn I love this film.  The Ramayana, and the bluesy torch songs that Annette Hanshaw sang in the 20s/30s, dovetail perfectly.  Superb and whimsical animation, great music, witty voiceovers from Indian-Americans who were steeped, or at least briefly dunked, in the Ramayana growing up, and a sad but redemptive breakup story - movies don't get more watchable, or rewatchable, than this gem.  Seen it four times now, and plan to see it four more at least before they apply my toe-tag. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 26, 2019, 03:25:06 PM
Haven't yet had the pleasure, but you had me at "Sienna Miller."  She's been terrific in everything I've seen her in.


Rewatched Sita Sings the Blues, again.  Damn I love this film.  The Ramayana, and the bluesy torch songs that Annette Hanshaw sang in the 20s/30s, dovetail perfectly.  Superb and whimsical animation, great music, witty voiceovers from Indian-Americans who were steeped, or at least briefly dunked, in the Ramayana growing up, and a sad but redemptive breakup story - movies don't get more watchable, or rewatchable, than this gem.  Seen it four times now, and plan to see it four more at least before they apply my toe-tag.
Still fully and freely downloadable.  Still my favorite animated film this century, if not of all time.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 26, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
Assemble the Monkey Warriors!

https://youtu.be/cgbp6AtU8Hw
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: HamiltonIII on June 26, 2019, 03:54:57 PM
Haven't yet had the pleasure, but you had me at "Sienna Miller."  She's been terrific in everything I've seen her in.


Rewatched Sita Sings the Blues, again.  Damn I love this film.  The Ramayana, and the bluesy torch songs that Annette Hanshaw sang in the 20s/30s, dovetail perfectly.  Superb and whimsical animation, great music, witty voiceovers from Indian-Americans who were steeped, or at least briefly dunked, in the Ramayana growing up, and a sad but redemptive breakup story - movies don't get more watchable, or rewatchable, than this gem.  Seen it four times now, and plan to see it four more at least before they apply my toe-tag.

It's her best performance, evvahh!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on July 11, 2019, 01:05:47 PM
Burn After Reading - saw this again, and had that mixed feeling of laughing really hard while feeling pretty bad for most of the characters, especially the lovelorn Richard Jenkins (as the gym manager).  Nothing makes sense, as Greek chorister JK Simmons notes, and there is no justice, and no one seems to learn anything useful.  Most are dead, or embedded in a paranoid shell in Argentina.  The fact that the Coens can make this so entertaining, and poke some fine fun at American narcissism and body-image obsessions, speaks to their skill as filmmakers.  And how can one not love that Brad Pitt, who usually plays fairly savvy fellows, here embraces and owns the role of absolute knucklehead. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 11, 2019, 01:52:29 PM
Burn After Reading - saw this again, and had that mixed feeling of laughing really hard while feeling pretty bad for most of the characters, especially the lovelorn Richard Jenkins (as the gym manager).  Nothing makes sense, as Greek chorister JK Simmons notes, and there is no justice, and no one seems to learn anything useful.  Most are dead, or embedded in a paranoid shell in Argentina.  (Venezuela) The fact that the Coens can make this so entertaining, and poke some fine fun at American narcissism and body-image obsessions, speaks to their skill as filmmakers.  And how can one not love that Brad Pitt, who usually plays fairly savvy fellows, here embraces and owns the role of absolute knucklehead.
JK Simmons is high on my list of great Coen brothers minor characters who run off with all or part of the movie. Right up there with the noir cops in Barton Fink. I would recommend the movie just to watch him in his two.scenes. That, and the way the photo of Putin looks over the shoulder of the Russian Embassy functionary.

I don't think the movie means much, but it is a hoot. Great performances. (According to Pitt, he told the Coens he was not sure he could play a character so utterly clueless. There response: a brief pause, and then, You'll be fine).

Though I would dispute one thing: the only person I felt any sympathy for.was Jenkins's character.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on July 12, 2019, 12:26:34 PM
" I have a drinking problem? Fuck you, Peck! You're a Mormon! Next to you, we all have a drinking problem!"

Still haven't seen Dermot Mulroney in "Coming Up Daisy."  On my must-see list....right next to "Home for Purim." 

Jenkins was the only truly sympathetic role, for sure, and is great off the blocks with his "I'm not comfortable with this" scene.  His axing, at the end, is your pure anti-Hollywood gesture - the one decent human being obliterated by Cox who, at that point, seems to be part of the machinery of an absurd universe with a god that is looking the other way. 

Simmons is one of those character actors who can arch an eyebrow, frown skeptically, and put the audience in stitches.  Not that I didn't also like him as a total bastard in "Whiplash." 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 12, 2019, 02:25:08 PM
Having heartily disliked his BFF Oscar Winner Ida, I approached Pawel Pawelkowski's Cold War with some trepidation. What I got was a beautiful (B&W, academy ratio, interesting changes in contrasts and background focus as the move progressed), passionate, musical and lyrical story of ill-matched obsessed love. Great acting - Joanna Kulig is a force. Loved it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on July 13, 2019, 04:36:44 PM
JOSH,

The Third Eye film forum might be closing, and archiving itself (with the Wayback Machine or whatever), and some there wondered if Elba could accommodate them (it's about six active members left).  That would involve adding a couple more film threads (but wouldn't need to transport any posts, just start fresh ones).

Sorry! I missed this.

By all means and let me know what you need added, okay?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on July 15, 2019, 07:12:34 PM
Thanks.   I passed along your welcoming words to Third Eye.   They seem to be still unsure what they're doing.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 15, 2019, 01:04:49 PM
USC film school is rated as the best film school by the Hollywood Reporter...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/top-25-american-film-schools-ranked-1231343/item/2019-top-25-film-schools-usc-1231345

NYU came in second.

And Chapman should be third, but instead they put Chapman as seventh.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on August 17, 2019, 03:50:49 PM
RIP Peter Fonda.   His passage sadly noted here in the Black Hills.  He often showed up at the bike rally in Sturgis.  In many films I didn't see, but also in films I did see and liked, like Ulee's Gold, The Limey, and of course ER. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on September 13, 2019, 03:07:53 PM
I noticed that Disney has made a new film, "Maleficent, Mistress of Evil," and there is a new film "Joker," and I wonder why they are all focusing on the villains instead of focusing on the good heroes like the old days.

Films are supposed to bring out the best in us, and they are supposed to give the kids good role models to look up to, like Roy Rogers, and the Lone Ranger, etc.

I need to start making movies, so that I can make movies my way.

Although, my film "Echo, A Rock and Roll Tragedy" will not be a good film for children, and will be rated "R."

I want to make a bunch of love stories. And really, "Echo" is a love story.

And I may make a movie about Lech Walesa, who is a hero.

We will see what I can do...

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 13, 2019, 03:13:24 PM
The late, great Andrzej Wajda beat you to it.

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2113820/
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 21, 2019, 11:20:25 PM
Lolita

Though I read the novel eons ago, I realized neither of us had seen the movie.   Despite some mixed feelings about the sanitizing process Kubrick was forced into by production codes, the quality of the performances make it worth seeing, with memorable swerves between creepy and comedic.   Shelley Winters is amazing as usual  -- predatory, pretentious, volatile, and whiny.   Though looking a bit run down at the end.

Given that Sue Lyon was 15 by the time production ended, and easily passed for 17 (movie Lolita is in high school, not the 11 year old of the novel), the pedophile aspect is considerably watered down.   

Some reservations about Sellers in this - his "Quilty" often has the feel of an actor amusing cast and crew with over-the-top riffs on other movie roles where he does funny accents, rather than something that really belongs in the film.   That Humbert can't recognize Quilty when he impersonates Dr. Strangelove a German psychologist is a bit improbable, and pulled me out of the movie a little.   The scene where Quilty poses as a state policeman is just annoying and ridiculous.   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on December 29, 2019, 11:53:06 AM
RIP Lolita.  Sue Lyon just died. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 29, 2019, 12:14:51 PM
I'm thinking of aurochs and angels, the secret of durable pigments, prophetic sonnets, the refuge of art. And this is the only immortality you and I may share, Sue Lyon.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on December 29, 2019, 01:49:42 PM
One of the great closing paragraphs of modern literature.  Up there with the final line of Joyce's "The Dead."   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on December 29, 2019, 06:38:33 PM
  There, in front of us, where a broken row of houses stood between us and the harbour, and where the eye encountered all sorts of stratagems, such as pale-blue and pink underwear cakewalking on a clothesline ... it was most satisfying to make out among the jumbled angles of roofs and walls, a splendid ship’s funnel, showing from behind the clothesline as something in a scrambled picture – Find What the Sailor Has Hidden – that the finder cannot unsee once it has been seen.   

You really can't have too much Nabokov in a forum.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 29, 2019, 11:31:53 PM
  There, in front of us, where a broken row of houses stood between us and the harbour, and where the eye encountered all sorts of stratagems, such as pale-blue and pink underwear cakewalking on a clothesline ... it was most satisfying to make out among the jumbled angles of roofs and walls, a splendid ship’s funnel, showing from behind the clothesline as something in a scrambled picture – Find What the Sailor Has Hidden – that the finder cannot unsee once it has been seen.   

You really can't have too much Nabokov in a forum.
FIFY.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on December 30, 2019, 01:02:47 PM
Heh.  I don't disagree. 

This last lines should be Nabokov, but it's Milan Kundera....

"Up out of the lampshade, startled by the overhead light, flew a large nocturnal butterfly that began circling the room. The strains of the piano and violin rose up weakly from below."


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on January 05, 2020, 12:59:27 PM
Watched On the Beach,  due to current events and curious how it held up some 55 years after its premiere. 

The film is stiff and clunky in places,  but it has its thought-provoking moments.  The Rube Goldberg thing with the window shade and coke bottle was ridiculous but I have to give credit for a sort of existential joke there, as in we're all looking for signals of civilization in what can be random beeps. Ava Gardner, as always, mesmerizing, here as a hot mess who struggles with self loathing and Peck's shell of denial that his family is gone. Peck seems to have trouble, as an actor, hitting his marks, and somehow never fully grapples with the awfulness of what is coming down. Also, why must Australia must be represented by one song that is surely one that even tavern drunks have grown tired of? I would have enjoyed a scene where a bunch of roughnecks set upon the trout fishing crew that keep drinking and singing it endlessly.

Astaire's acting is underwhelming, though he does offer some ruminations on the folly of humankind and our penchant for wars that nobody really wants...his words still seem applicable. The Grand Prix race is rather hokey, and we are supposed to believe an egghead professor, if dropped into a well-tuned Ferrari, will emerge victorious. It's oddly dull and would have done no harm to the film if left in the cutting room. The film raises so many interesting possibilities of what people might do at the end of the world which are mostly unexplored. Maybe, in a sad way, that's the point: most opt for meekness and denial.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on January 06, 2020, 11:56:56 AM
The Real Lolita
The story of 11-year-old Sally Horner’s abduction changed the course of 20th-century literature. She just never got to tell it herself. (https://hazlitt.net/longreads/real-lolita)

Interesting read which offers some analysis of the novel Lolita as well.  I'd heard about this case which inspired Nabokov, but didn't know the full details or recall that it had occurred in NJ.

The read kind of makes you appreciate the Amber Alerts and priority put on child abduction these days.

It also put me in mind of the film An Education, though the girl there is 16 or 17, and not the 11 year Sally Horner of Camden or 13 year old Delores Haze of imaginative legend.

I should read Lolita again.  This would probably be the 5th time, but when you know it so well, you can focus on the language or the unreliability of Humbert or the parenthetical asides, etc. without worrying about the narrative thrust (mild pun intended).
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on January 07, 2020, 12:43:32 PM
Thanks, I plan to read The Real Lolita, and maybe reread the novel.

And this is worth breaking through a paywall for:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/people-are-seeing-cats-while-high-out-of-their-minds-these-are-their-stories/2020/01/05/d0ebfb3a-2beb-11ea-bcb3-ac6482c4a92f_story.html

This promises to be my favorite news story of 2020, unless a pretty powerful contender manages to usurp it in the next 11 months, 24 days. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on February 05, 2020, 09:04:24 PM
Farewell Kirk Douglas.  First sighted by this film fan impaled on a hay bailer in the mid sixties.   He was,  that is.   I was sitting in a comfortable chair.   Watching The List of Adrian Messenger. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on February 05, 2020, 10:40:39 PM
One of my heroes died today, Mr Kirk Douglas. He attended the same acting school that I attended, The American Academy of Dramatic Arts. Lauren Bacall, who attended the AADA with Kirk helped him to get his big break. Spartacus is my favorite movie. Rest in Peace Mr Douglas, you live forever in your work.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on February 05, 2020, 10:50:54 PM
Ace in the Hole is great.  Kirk's best imo
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on February 11, 2020, 12:40:34 PM
Just moving the Parasite Won Lady Wakasa Would Be Happy chat out of Trump Admin and over here, where it belongs. 

I have seen neither Parasite nor Marriage Story, nor Judy, but already am convinced that Laura Dern deserved her win in MS.  She was so outstanding in Big Little Lies, as the sympathetic neurotic bitch, that I've come to assume there is little she cannot do. 

The main rumble I'm hearing from film buffs is that Hollywood will lay laurels on an Asian film, but it won't actually recognize Asian actors.  I'm not sure that's racist so much as simple lack of name recognition (which, sadly, is sometimes paired with difficulty of face recognition) 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 11, 2020, 01:08:10 PM
Just moving the Parasite Won Lady Wakasa Would Be Happy chat out of Trump Admin and over here, where it belongs. 

I have seen neither Parasite nor Marriage Story, nor Judy, but already am convinced that Laura Dern deserved her win in MS.  She was so outstanding in Big Little Lies, as the sympathetic neurotic bitch, that I've come to assume there is little she cannot do. 

The main rumble I'm hearing from film buffs is that Hollywood will lay laurels on an Asian film, but it won't actually recognize Asian actors.  I'm not sure that's racist so much as simple lack of name recognition (which, sadly, is sometimes paired with difficulty of face recognition)
I have seen Marriage Story and without judging it comparatively to performances I have not seen - actually, will not see: I have 0 interest in the movie Joker or performances by Squnty McPigface - Driver and ScarJo would have been deserving of an award. First Noah B movie I have watched all the way through.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on February 11, 2020, 10:25:20 PM
Seems like a fairly weak year.   I was much underwhelmed by Once Upon a Time.   And admittedly haven't seen a fair amount.  But I'm not interested in Joker or Parasite. And don't think Marriage Story or Jo Jo Hitler are going to make a major difference,  though plan to see them.

American Factory was good, mainly because of the access and issues (culture clash,  union busting),  but there were also areas where it skimmed over things and didn't get into details.  For example, worker safety issues.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on February 17, 2020, 10:29:48 AM
...or performances by Squinty McPigface...

I understand a man's need to lay down a smokescreen for the wife.    No need for her to know of your secret infatuation with the lovely and talented Renee.   Nobly,  you cast yourself as a disdainful bachelor in an Austen novel, ever contemptuous of the heroine's charms...it almost convinced me!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 17, 2020, 12:37:54 PM
...or performances by Squinty McPigface...

I understand a man's need to lay down a smokescreen for the wife.    No need for her to know of your secret infatuation with the lovely and talented Renee.   Nobly,  you cast yourself as a disdainful bachelor in an Austen novel, ever contemptuous of the heroine's charms...it almost convinced me!
I call her Squinty McPigface because she squints. And has a pig face.

I note for the record you knew exactly who I was referring to.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on February 17, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
When Hairy Met Squinty

Boz, everyone knows who you mean because you've been calling her that for years.   

Check out Rose Williams in "Sanditon" -- those squinty pig-girls are hot!   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 24, 2020, 12:46:01 PM
Netflix is officially evil.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_(upcoming_film)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on February 24, 2020, 04:04:12 PM
Which version do you prefer?   

Or is this about Nutflux's thing about limiting theatrical release?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on February 24, 2020, 04:07:00 PM
It's a Hitchcock thing,  isn't it?   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 24, 2020, 04:48:11 PM
It's a Hitchcock thing,  isn't it?
it is a destroy your own history thing.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on February 29, 2020, 11:36:00 AM
Roman Polanski rakes in awards at the Cesars (French  Oscars).   Not sitting well with many,  including Me2 folk.  Some actresses walked out of the ceremony. 

Rose Williams is my favorite squinty pigface.  I suspect therell be a second season of Sanditon.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 02, 2020, 02:29:02 PM
James Lipton died, that is sad, he was great. I attended an interview that he did with Clint Eastwood, I went with my Uncle Dennis, we went down from Lancaster to Los Angeles in my motorhome, and James interviewed Clint for about 7 hours at the Geffen Playhouse. Our seats were right behind Clint's wife and family who were there. It was awesome. Then, after watching James interview Clint, we took the motorhome to the beach and we spent the night at the beach, it was great. So that is my memory from the time that I saw James Lipton do an interview, it is a good memory. May he rest in peace.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 09, 2020, 12:12:45 PM
Max.von Sydow loses at chess.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/entertainment/actor-max-von-sydow-dead-scli-intl/index.html
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on March 09, 2020, 01:03:55 PM
Maybe he should have exorcised more?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 23, 2020, 08:54:39 PM
Midsommar

What a waste of talent to put Florence Pugh in this inept pastiche of Nordic legends, folk tales, Bergman, and The Wicker Man (the 1973 one). It is relentlessly grindingly soul-numbingly weird, as it seems to plumb dark depths of the Swedish psyche that, really, should be allowed to fester in peace. In this modern-but-ancient-rooted commune in central Sweden, a midsummer Festival happens every year, but this year's is one they only do every 90 years when they go all out on ritual suicides, human sacrifices, sex with strangers, putting your pubic hair in a pie for that special fellah you're interested in, guzzling hallucinogens, and gutting bears so they can stuff bad boyfriends into the sticky remains before setting them on fire and having a nice group wail (think of that eerie wailing scene in Persona multiplied by several hundred.). That's just a small sample of what goes on, as our American heroine does her level best to not be a party pooper and navigate the awkward social situations which, as you might imagine, arise frequently.

Anyway, I hate this movie, hate that I felt some fascination and even some titillation as I watched, and hope all of you can watch it too so that we can all join together in hating it. I also hate that the land of my ancestors (central Sweden) was played by some fields in Hungary. That's just not right.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on April 15, 2020, 06:48:42 PM
So... "Contagion" worth a re-watch?   

What are your favorite pandemic movies?   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 15, 2020, 07:16:26 PM
Never watched in the first place.

Not sure about the movie, but Poe's Masque of the Red Death makes for interesting social distancing reading.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on April 15, 2020, 09:04:18 PM
Heh.  Poe folks should pay heed.

I watched "Contagion" because Marion Cotillard.   Spoiler:  it's the bat's fault.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on April 16, 2020, 11:43:14 AM
Right.   Bat drops banana.   Pig eats banana.   Chef slaughters pig then doesn't wash,  and shakes hands with Gwyneth Paltrow.  Who goes back to US home and dies, transmitting all along the way.   Say what you will,  Soderbergh knows how to shoot movies with neck-wrenching scene changes.  I even liked Haywire,  which is a guilty pleasure.   

Anyway,  the moral is Wash your goddamned hands.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on April 28, 2020, 12:21:30 PM
The many deaths of Sean Bean (a propos of a digression in the Trump thread)....

(https://mymodernmet.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/sean-bean-dies-every-film-3.gif)

(if that gif doesn't load,  it's in this article)

https://mymodernmet.com/sean-bean-dies-in-every-movie/

As the article reports,  he LIVES in "World on Fire. " 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on May 11, 2020, 06:17:38 PM
Planet of the Humans

Free,  on YouTube.  Nuanced contrarian look at alternatives to fossil fuel,  and at "greenwashing. " 

Michael Moore's new film (though not directed by him).   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on June 13, 2020, 12:44:19 PM
I guess The King of Staten Island has gone to VOD,  and won't be in theaters,  but I'm hoping the distribution co will rethink this in a few months.  Theaters are partly opening here and I've really missed seeing current releases.  TKoSI sounds pretty good to me.   I notice one of the firefighters in the film is played by Steve Buscemi,  who was an actual firefighter prior to his acting career.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 26, 2020, 02:31:26 PM
Olivia de Haviland dies at 104. Reportedly her last words were "At least I outlived that bitch by six years."
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on July 26, 2020, 03:46:00 PM
A stupid petty grudge.   Fontaine won for "Suspicion" and beat out Olivia, who'd been nominated for "Hold back the Dawn. "    And was, at that time, the big star in the family.   So Joan went and messed up the pecking order.   I've read elsewhere (probably back in 2013, when Fontaine died) that the sisters never got along all that well,  but that it was the Hitchcock film that really broke them up.    Probably further chapped Olivia's ass, later,  that nobody much remembered HBtD while Suspicion is a classic.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 26, 2020, 05:57:29 PM
She always has Melanie. Cancel culture notwithstanding.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 27, 2020, 02:56:47 PM
If you want to watch a good Christian movie, I recommend "The Scarlet and the Black" starring Gregory Peck as a priest at the Vatican in Rome who saves allied soldiers and Jews from the Nazis during World War II. It is a great movie, and it was shot on location in Rome. I highly recommend the film. Maybe you can find it on Netflix or other network.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scarlet_and_the_Black

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 27, 2020, 10:24:29 PM
Words cannot explain how much I adore every single frame of Knives Out. From the almost imperceptible barking of the dogs over the March of the Logos to Don Johnson's black eye, to the coffee mug as a framing device to  Chris Evans's perfect line reading of the single word "Shit".
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on July 28, 2020, 11:55:23 AM
The sigboth and I both loved it.   I could have said we hated it,  but then I would have had to involuntarily vomit up breakfast.  I'm going to watch it again.   Sounds like there's a sequel greenlit, in which Foghorn Leghorn Benoit Blanc will solve another mystery. 

Not sure a sequel can succeed at so many things... a pitch-perfect eccentric whodunit,  a superb sendup  of the classic twisty plotted mystery,  a clever metaphor of the sclerotic and racist subcultures of America,  the brilliant cinematographic rendition of a house as America,  the final take-down and exorcism of all things Trumpian,  and as you note the clever framings... including the most literal sense of framing as Harlan's portrait is altered at the end to a bit of a smirk.   I liked the "something is afoot" double entendre, the plot trajectory of a baseball,  every family member naming a different SA country of origin for Marta, the donut analogy...and others that will come to me on a repeat viewing.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 28, 2020, 12:45:15 PM
All those things. Plus the very first thing Blanc looks at when he meets Marta, which explains why he keeps her close in his investigation: he needs her to determine the arc. And Michael Shannon's alternating whipped and intense performance ("I am not.eating one iota of shit!" "Have another cookie! Maybe Harlan left you a cold glass of milk in his will!"). And the way Meg's betrayal causes Marta to toss in with Ransom. And Chris Evans's sweater. And the titles of Harlan's novels. And Lakieth Stanfeld's response to Noah Segran's fan boy moments. As an aside, I will never, for the rest of his career, not notice whenever Stanfeld's character tells someone to get out. And Walt and Linda both claiming they were outvoted about inviting Marta to the funeral. And the way the movie goes from Whodunnit to Crime Drama in a flip of a coin. And then back.

I think Johnson can fashion a clever and entertaining whodunnit but I doubt he can totally recapture the magic, especially without Ana de Armas. She worked so well with Craig. If only someone would pair the two in a blockbuster movie franchise... I would die for such a movie, if I had the time for that.

Actually, why not include her? Every Holmes needs a Doctor Watson. Or Nurse Watson.

Streaming on Prime, everyone. Watch.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 03, 2020, 09:51:34 AM
RIP to my doppelganger Wilford Brimley.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on August 03, 2020, 03:25:01 PM
Yes.   He was 50 when he played a senior in Cocoon.   Somehow,  maybe the gravitas of the gray moustache, allowed him to look seventyish for nearly four decades of his career.   That dip in the Antarean life energy pool probably gave him a few extra years.

My doppelganger has become a plucked chicken,  which makes me wonder if a moustache would help much.   Perhaps a goatee,  to cover the wattle. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Echo4 on August 06, 2020, 01:26:20 AM
Yes.   He was 50 when he played a senior in Cocoon.   Somehow,  maybe the gravitas of the gray moustache, allowed him to look seventyish for nearly four decades of his career.   That dip in the Antarean life energy pool probably gave him a few extra years.


I'd had no idea he was so young when he played that part!

But he'd have been well over 100 now had he been as old as he played.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Echo4 on August 06, 2020, 01:27:21 AM
Apparently, in the 60s the Beatles wanted to do The Lord of the Rings.

They wanted to cast Paul, Ringo, George, and John as Frodo, Sam, Gandalf, and Gollum, respectively.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 08, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
Finally saw Dunkirk, which I liked more than most Nolan movies. My biggest problem, every time there was a new Britisb soldier, I would think, "That's Benedict Cumberbatch". It turns out none of them were.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on August 09, 2020, 10:39:25 AM
Hahaha.   

Sometimes have the reverse problem,  as when we watched The Death of Stalin and I kept thinking the guy who played Molotov looked a bit like Michael Palin.   But it turned out to actually be Palin.   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 09, 2020, 11:50:17 AM
I watched all of Light Between Two Oceans thinking it starred Jude Law, who turned out to be Michael Fassbinder.

Death of Stalin is by far the funniest movie that ends with one of its leads being shot in the head, his body drenched in gasoline and and set afire. But it was Beria, so, cool.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on August 10, 2020, 12:39:55 AM
Yep.  One of the best films of 2017, and somewhat underrated.   Aside from the terrific screenplay,  and no-weak-link ensemble (no idea why they would cast Buscemi as Krushchev,  but he absolutely killed it),  I was also impressed by the soundtrack which I spent most of the film thinking was excerpts from Shostakovich, or Prokofiev,  but was in fact original composition by some Brit I'd never heard of.   

And it also had flawless timing,  every comic beat,  every good line,  lands at just the right moment.    I remember we watched it without pausing,  because there was simply no place for that,  it was unstoppable.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 10, 2020, 06:25:04 AM
Almost as good as Iannucci's previous In the Loop. Makes me wish I had access to whatever Veep was on.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on August 10, 2020, 07:15:43 AM
Hmm.  Death of Stalin kind of happened without me.  I was a distant spectator.  There were one or two scenes I liked, and most of the rest just kept me waiting for something to like/engage with.  I should rewatch it, if I can dredge up the dvd. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on August 10, 2020, 11:18:34 AM
I liked TDoS.    My guess is you have to be in the mood for relentless mockery of power, for seeing the men who chase after power as buffoons.   My second guess is that three years of Trump and ilk will render the movie more accessible.   The overall tone seemed Melbrooksian to me, with the same sharp jabs to vanity and dignity.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on August 17, 2020, 08:57:59 AM
I read a tweet about a New Yorker article about you. 

Knives Out is indeed worth a second viewing.   As with many twisty plots, the second viewing is one where you enjoy the ride even more when you know where the road is going.  And there are there pleasures of a fine script,  savoring lines you may have forgotten or which weren't quite absorbed the first time around.   I liked the bit about the cops being truffle pigs while Benoit boasts of a technique of anticipating the terminus of Gravity's Rainbow, a book he hasn't read ("nobody has").   And then the recurring references to this arc,  to the Newtonian/Pynchonian physics of a flying droplet of blood or hurled baseball or flung Go board or,  finally,  a projectile of truth-vomit impacting the guilty.   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 01, 2020, 10:22:38 PM

Ianucci has done it again. Creator of "Veep" and Alan Partridge, director of the wickedly funny The Death of Stalin, and In the Loop, and now a delightful reinvention of Dickens that seems faithful to the spirit of the original classic. Fine performances from an ensemble that includes Ben Whishaw (as the humble and oily Uriah Heep), Hugh Laurie (he IS Mr Dick) , Tilda Swinton, Peter Capaldi, and Dev Patel.

An odd experience attending a theatrical showing. We were the only audience at a late afternoon showing on a Tuesday, and other rooms I peeked in (to see a baffling three minutes of "Tenet" among others) were similarly sparse. Signs instructed us to remain masked during the film, unless we were consuming refreshments. Given the empty seats around me, I decided to define air as a refreshment and happily slurped it up throughout the show.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 06, 2020, 07:23:24 PM
Watched I'm Thinking of Ending Things on Netflix. Or started to, before I thought of the title half way through and decided that the title was an apt suggestion and did.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 06, 2020, 09:04:30 PM
Ha.   Not every rock that's tossed in a Charlie Kaufman lapidary tumbler is a diamond.   I was going to watch because Jessie Buckley,  but then someone described the film as "Lynchian" and I backed away.   Still,  Ms Buckley has been terrific in everything of hers I've watched - she broke my heart in "Chernobyl."   Into small pieces that squidged around on the floor whimpering and leaking fluid.   

Which reminds me it's time to feed the cats.   

Watching "Adrift" tonight,  because I can't say no to anything with maritime misadventures or catastrophes.   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 06, 2020, 10:09:18 PM
Ah. That is where I saw her. We also have Joni Thrombey and Knox Harrington. But the acting is irrelevant.

Lynchian. Ah, that explains my utter distaste. An accurate description.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 07, 2020, 10:27:52 AM
Looking forward to I'm Thinking of Ending Things.
No interest in Mulan.
And pretty apathetic about Tenet, which I'll likely get around to at some point next year.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 09, 2020, 12:27:38 AM
IToET (ok,  I was a little curious,  so I started watching)

 I had to bail when the woman turns into Pauline Kael in the car driving home,  starts ranting about Gena Rowlands.   Meaningless grotesquerie -- seems to be self-indulgently bent on  subverting any connections we viewers might start to make.  Quasi-humorous moments that don't really amuse but rather steal uneasy laughs from you. 



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 09, 2020, 12:34:20 AM
IToET (ok,  I was a little curious,  so I started watching)

 I had to bail when the woman turns into Pauline Kael in the car driving home,  starts ranting about Gena Rowlands.   Meaningless grotesquerie -- seems to be self-indulgently bent on  subverting any connections we viewers might start to make.  Quasi-humorous moments that don't really amuse but rather steal uneasy laughs from you.
You made it further than I did.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 09, 2020, 09:51:50 AM
I was being stubborn,  kept thinking there was some reason Jessie and Jesse were a couple (aside from being two actors with homophonic names).   The only way a breakup story makes sense is if you have some understanding of why they're a couple in the first place.   

And you can't have a film where every moment is a "meta" one, where you are standing outside of the film.   That's why,  as you said,  the acting is irrelevant. 

What a sad misfire for Kaufman.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 10, 2020, 04:20:22 PM
The Oscars will require films seeking to qualify for Best Picture to meet new diversity standards in order to be considered, the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences announced Tuesday. The new rules are aimed at increasing representation for underrepresented groups in the film industry.

Starting in 2024, Best Picture nominees must feature women, people of color, LGBTQ+ people or people with disabilities in prominent roles both in front of and behind the camera. The Academy created four representation categories that will gauge the level of diversity in a film’s cast, its production crew, its marketing team and the opportunities it provides young filmmakers. To qualify, a movie must satisfy two of the four categories.


https://news.yahoo.com/oscars-diversity-rules-progress-or-patronizing-140825533.html (https://news.yahoo.com/oscars-diversity-rules-progress-or-patronizing-140825533.html)


Remember, film-makers, it's only ART if it meets the political standards of the Academy.

Saving Private Ryan? No LGBQT, no women, no people with disabilities, no people of color! What a terrible movie!!!


A Beautiful Mind? No LGBQT, no people of color...women, but the main character is schizophrenic, so that checks 2 of the 4 boxes!

But wait We have to look off camera....directed by Ron Howard. And though based on a book written by a woman, the screenplay was written by a man. Music by a man, produced by a man, edited by two men, cinematography by a man...

Sorry. You don't qualify for Best Picture.

Terrible movie by the new standards.

 

Gladiator....All Quiet on the Western Front...Casablanca...

See how this works?

Fuck off, Academy.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 10, 2020, 05:17:18 PM
More generally,  it seems contrary to whole idea of art as a free and unfettered exploration of the human experience.   Such specific requirements seem to be antithetical to creativity.   I mean,  sure there should be ethnic minorities and people all over the gender spectrum and so on,  working in film,  and unhindered in pursuing film careers,  but this seems too formula driven.   How would this work with,  say,  a period drama about a time and place where some of those groups were simply not there?   Would a producer now require that Scott's failed South Pole expedition be rewritten with a lesbian,  a person of color,  and towing someone in a wheelchair?   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 10, 2020, 07:50:05 PM
More generally,  it seems contrary to whole idea of art as a free and unfettered exploration of the human experience.   Such specific requirements seem to be antithetical to creativity.   I mean,  sure there should be ethnic minorities and people all over the gender spectrum and so on,  working in film,  and unhindered in pursuing film careers,  but this seems too formula driven.   How would this work with,  say,  a period drama about a time and place where some of those groups were simply not there?   Would a producer now require that Scott's failed South Pole expedition be rewritten with a lesbian,  a person of color,  and towing someone in a wheelchair?

Agreed.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 10, 2020, 08:18:34 PM
More generally,  it seems contrary to whole idea of art as a free and unfettered exploration of the human experience.   Such specific requirements seem to be antithetical to creativity.   I mean,  sure there should be ethnic minorities and people all over the gender spectrum and so on,  working in film,  and unhindered in pursuing film careers,  but this seems too formula driven.   How would this work with,  say,  a period drama about a time and place where some of those groups were simply not there?   Would a producer now require that Scott's failed South Pole expedition be rewritten with a lesbian,  a person of color,  and towing someone in a wheelchair?
I think your last part is silly - even from the blurb the off screen roles for inclusion are pretty broad. The onscreen inclusion parts probably aren't going to be uniform and should include some recognition of the needs of the story being told. Or else the Gettysburg remake will wind up featuring an all transgender wheelchair brigade taking part in Pickett's Charge.

They are not applying the rules for four years, and there are at least two years of preliminary data being collected. I suspect we are dealing with reasonable people and the final rules will take artistic vision into account. No.reason to get one's.panties in a bunch quite yet. It is a commendable goal. There is time for the details.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 10, 2020, 08:48:02 PM
I was being silly,  for rhetorical purposes, and I do take your point re "reasonable people," even if I'm never sure where Hollywood keeps them.   I confess I skimmed and missed the four years,  which does somewhat de-elasticize my panties.  I think if they would focus on that one bit about enhanced opportunity for young filmmakers,  you'd get quite a ways towards demographic broadening and some of the other aspirations would follow.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 11, 2020, 05:05:42 AM
Of course they are not forcing anyone to do anything or impeding folks from making whatever art they want.  They are simply saying if you want an award from our org, you'll need to be inclusive.  Not many films are actually vying for a Best Picture Oscar.
It's aspirational and trendsetting.  I don't know the process, but I suspect this was voted on by industry insiders and filmmakers/actors who make up the Academy and make films.
Title: Re: Movies-Almost Famous
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2020, 10:40:01 PM
Almost Famous-Anita's Albums

I posted this elsewhere about 2 months ago and am importing it to Elba's shores for SnG.

So I'm re-watching Almost Famous, for the gazillionth time, a really good coming of age movie, about a 15 year old wannabe rock critic to be and his life on the road and adventures with a rock n roll band. Most of you folks probably know the movie, if you don't, watch it, most won't be disappointed. Its sweet and funny, has a pretty good cast, and has pretty good sound track.

But as to the thread title, watch this brief scene (below) as William (the kid writer) says good-bye to his older sister (Zooey Deschanel) as she needs to break away from her mom, (Frances McDormand) leave the nest, and literally flies away. She becomes a stewardess.

in any case, sis, a somewhat free-spirit, tells William, to look under his bed and

"it will set you free"

ANITA SAYS GOODBYE SCENE-SAFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVaCbxkd34 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmVaCbxkd34)

After she bolts with a young Tom Brady look-a-like, William goes to his bedroom and finds a bag filled with albums. and he starts to flip through Anita's stash.

Listed below are the albums we see (in order)

Pet Sounds, The Beach Boys
Sweet Baby James, James Taylor
High Tide and Green Grass The Stones
Get Yer Ya-Ya’s Out! The Stones
Zep II, Led Zeppelin
Axis Bold as Love, The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Wheels of Fire, Cream
Blue, Joni Mitchell
Blonde on Blonde, Bob Dylan
Tommy, The Who

After getting to Tommy he opens it up and finds a note from Anita which reads,

"Listen to Tommy with a candle burning, and you will see your entire future"

For the record (heh) I had all this vinyl WBW, new with cellophane, WITH the exception of Joni Mitchell's Blue.

After watching and saying, had it, had it, had it, etc, my first thought was there's no Beatles.

No Beatles?

No Beatles-Cameron are you shitting me?

Everyone had a Beatles album, in particular as these albums were from roughly 1965-1973, everyone had Sgt Peppers.

And there was no Motown.

No Aretha, no Smokey, no Marvin

Cameron, what's going on?

In any case, it got me to thinking, if you had to represent the 10 albums from the period, as the director Cameron Crowe did, to help young William see the future, which albums from this list would you keep and which would you swap out and for what?

To keep it simple, and keeping with the movie which is set in 1973, let's say you need to keep at least 5 of Crowe's albums (fuck it, if you really want an original 10 album playlist -feel free I guess) but keep it in the approximate time period of 1965-1973.

Since everyone had Sgt Peppers this will be a freebie bonus for everyone

I'm going to swap 5 albums

Doors (1) IN--
Blue OUT (I didn't have it any way)

Live at Fillmore East Allman Bros in
Sweet Baby James OUT

Are You Experienced IN
Axis out (Hendrix for Hendrix swap)

Let it Bleed IN
Get Yer Ya Yas OUT (Stone's swap)

Aretha I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You - IN
Zep2 OUT

So I have
1-Doors 1
2-Allman Bros-LAFE
3-Hendrix Are you Experienced
4-Stones-Let it Bleed
5-Aretha I Never Loved A Man The Way I Love You
6-Beach Boys Pet Sounds
7-Stones-High Tide and GG
8-Cream Wheels of Fire
9-Dylan-Blonde on Blonde
10-Who-Tommy

Bonus track
11-Sgt Pepper

I'm not sure this is the stash I'm going to leave young William, as there are so many great albums to choose from. (Who's Next, Layla, Cheap Thrills, Janis and Big Brother, Otis Redding, Iron Butterfly) But its what I came up with on the fly.


What albums would you leave young William to broaden his horizons and to set him free?


As an aside, yesterday I gave my collection of vintage '60s and 70s albums to my kid.





Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 14, 2020, 11:04:54 PM
A young woman from that era would definitely have had Tapestry.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 14, 2020, 11:25:20 PM
As I recall boz-you had a close relationship with Zooey

Anita probably would have had Tapestry

and maybe the Monkees too

But Anita was pretty cutting edge, so maybe not

I was a Stones guy, but still can't get over 2 Stones albums and no Beatles in Anita's stash.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 15, 2020, 05:39:11 AM
I like the selection Cameron uses.  It's not the optimal set of albums (many better Stones than Get Yer Ya Ya's out), so it seems more authentic, more like the random collection of albums someone would genuinely own. 

And between my brother, my sister and myself about 3 or 4 years later, our house had exactly 1 Beatles album, as my brother own the White Album.  We weren't Beatles fans, and besides you heard their songs on the radio all the time anyway.

As for your Q.
Carol King was huge.
Then again so was the 5th Dimension in 1973.
Elton John was huge, but I guess his breakthrough Goodbye Yellow Brick Road just came out in '73.
Alice Cooper's School's Out (1972) was big (and '73's Billion Dollar Babies -- two of the first albums my older brother ever owned)

I'll think of more when I get back later.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 15, 2020, 09:28:59 AM
As I recall boz-you had a close relationship with Zooey
Time and multiple TROs have taken their toll.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
As I recall boz-you had a close relationship with Zooey
Time and multiple TROs have taken their toll.

what was the deal she couldn't get within 50 ft of you?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 15, 2020, 10:07:04 AM
In a minimalist buddhist phase,  I parted with most of my vinyl and around a thousand volumes,  some of the proceeds helped pay for grad school.   I can still flip through some of the LPs mentally.   Some would more likely have been (as far as the movie cache is concerned) bequeathed by a brother than a sister,  e. g. Deep Purple,  "Machine Head, " or Zep IV.    But,  yes,  I can see The Doors in there (the keyboard intro of RotS lives in my head), the Moondance album of VM,  "Tapestry" absolutely, some Dylan,  "Disraeli Gears," maybe "Cosmo's Factory" for some CCR, and the White Album.   And,  based on sisters I knew in 1973, have to add Maria Muldaur.  Cactus is our friend. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 15, 2020, 10:09:52 AM
As I recall boz-you had a close relationship with Zooey
Time and multiple TROs have taken their toll.

what was the deal she couldn't get within 50 ft of you?

He was required to wear clothes under his raincoat.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2020, 10:18:26 AM
I like the selection Cameron uses.  It's not the optimal set of albums (many better Stones than Get Yer Ya Ya's out), so it seems more authentic, more like the random collection of albums someone would genuinely own. 

And between my brother, my sister and myself about 3 or 4 years later, our house had exactly 1 Beatles album, as my brother own the White Album.  We weren't Beatles fans, and besides you heard their songs on the radio all the time anyway.

As for your Q.
Carol King was huge.
Then again so was the 5th Dimension in 1973.
Elton John was huge, but I guess his breakthrough Goodbye Yellow Brick Road just came out in '73.
Alice Cooper's School's Out (1972) was big (and '73's Billion Dollar Babies -- two of the first albums my older brother ever owned)

I'll think of more when I get back later.

I think Crowe's construction of Anita's portfolio is fine, but a little curious.

in that regard, I'm not sure what optimal is, they may have been his favorite albums as a 15 YO kid, or his sister's favorites, if he had a sister, who gifted him the records.
I got no idea.

I just thought no Beatles, no Sgt Peppers was interesting, as it was, and maybe stlil is considered one of the greatest, albums of all-time. (#1 on Rolling Stones 500 Greatest Albums).

He decided to give a sticky finger to the Fab Four.

In any case doing a little internet sleuthing I found some interesting factoids.

the album scene is 1969, Ya Yas came out in 1970, and Blue didn't come out until 1971.

as to the Stones, having a 2nd Stones album in Anita's collection, (Get Yer Ya Yas) , which seems to fall slighly outside the story timeline, but may have been a nod to Lester Bangs, who in his Rolling Stone review of the album wrote, (from wiki) "I have no doubt that it's the best rock concert ever put on record."

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2020, 10:34:19 AM
In a minimalist buddhist phase,  I parted with most of my vinyl and around a thousand volumes,  some of the proceeds helped pay for grad school.   I can still flip through some of the LPs mentally.   Some would more likely have been (as far as the movie cache is concerned) bequeathed by a brother than a sister,  e. g. Deep Purple,  "Machine Head, " or Zep IV.    But,  yes,  I can see The Doors in there (the keyboard intro of RotS lives in my head), the Moondance album of VM,  "Tapestry" absolutely, some Dylan,  "Disraeli Gears," maybe "Cosmo's Factory" for some CCR, and the White Album.   And,  based on sisters I knew in 1973, have to add Maria Muldaur.  Cactus is our friend.

bart-there were so many great albums in that time period its about impossible to have the definitive list of 10 that perfectly capture the era or the memories or whatever. 

I had my last "album-flip" a couple of days ago as I wanted to say good-bye to some dear old friends who were off to a new home. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 15, 2020, 01:11:45 PM
The Beatles became a studio band and the film is about touring and concert-going, so maybe that's why the Beatles were left off.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2020, 01:20:15 PM
The Beatles became a studio band and the film is about touring and concert-going, so maybe that's why the Beatles were left off.

That's the only reason I came up with, same reason the Berry Gordy "produced" Motown sound doesn't show-up either.

Still its hard to imagine that in '69 when Anita gifts her albums to William, she (Crowe) might not have one Beatle album (Revolver, Rubber Soul, Abbey Road) in the stash.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 15, 2020, 01:49:11 PM
Then there were bands that, as I remember them, toured endlessly but I don't recall seeing in anyone's LP portfolio - e.g. Moody Blues.  I know they were very successful and popular, but somehow I only remember them for Nights in White Satin.  You heard them on the radio, that was it. 

Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow would be plausibly in the portfolio.
The first CSN and CSNY album, ditto.

As you say, Banks, there's no definitive list of ten.  Especially in a genre exploding in all sorts of directions. 

Dark Side of the Moon would have just been out.

Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick (a little sorry I didn't keep that one, just for the entertaining album cover and inside "newspaper")   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2020, 02:37:15 PM
Then there were bands that, as I remember them, toured endlessly but I don't recall seeing in anyone's LP portfolio - e.g. Moody Blues.  I know they were very successful and popular, but somehow I only remember them for Nights in White Satin.  You heard them on the radio, that was it. 

Jefferson Airplane - Surrealistic Pillow would be plausibly in the portfolio.
The first CSN and CSNY album, ditto.

As you say, Banks, there's no definitive list of ten.  Especially in a genre exploding in all sorts of directions. 

Dark Side of the Moon would have just been out.

Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick (a little sorry I didn't keep that one, just for the entertaining album cover and inside "newspaper")

I had Days of Future Passed and saw the Moody Blues in concert with The Steve Miller Band in '68. IMO Steve Miller, who I was less familiar with, stole the show.

with Anita's affinity for the harmony of Simon & Garfunkle and with Joni Mitchell in the portfolio, CSN would make sense for her sensibilities.

I wonder whether Anita was into the Airplane or the SF acid-rock, I see her more smoking pot and getting off to Buffalo Springfield.

i saw Jethro Tull in concert and they sucked. (had the Aqualung album)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 15, 2020, 02:59:18 PM
Should have some Sly & the Family Stone.
&
Marvin Gaye What's Going On

But I guess music was still pretty segregated then.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 15, 2020, 03:22:40 PM
Should have some Sly & the Family Stone.
&
Marvin Gaye What's Going On

But I guess music was still pretty segregated then.

From OP

And there was no Motown.

No Aretha, no Smokey, no Marvin

Cameron, what's going on?


I saw Sly etal at Woodstock-they were jaw dropping great

that Saturday night-Sunday AM is arguably the greatest night of rock n roll ever

Sly, Santana (who I did not see) and Cocker gave electrifying career jumping performances 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on September 15, 2020, 10:45:18 PM
1973? Got to have some Bowie on that list. Good question, though. Have to think this one through.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on September 16, 2020, 10:29:16 AM
Steve Miller,  early phase,  when Boz Scaggs was with the band.   

I was at Woodstock,  too.   I remember getting my diaper changed while Santana played Soul Sacrifice.   Seriously,  that's pretty cool,  Banks.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 16, 2020, 10:43:35 AM
Steve Miller,  early phase,  when Boz Scaggs was with the band.   

I was at Woodstock,  too.   I remember getting my diaper changed while Santana played Soul Sacrifice.   Seriously,  that's pretty cool,  Banks.

OCB-the line "somebody get me a cheeseburger" is one of my favorite RnR lyrics

Woodstock-Saturday afternoon I was having a cook-out, met a girl, went skinny-dipping, got high. bought a shit load of cheap wine and didn't get to the concert until about 8pm and missed Santana. I'm kind of pissed about that, but the lake felt great and the girl was pretty. 

After sobering up I saw an awesome concert for about the next 8 or so hours.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 17, 2020, 06:06:30 PM
(sister's vinyl in Almost Famous chat cont.)

I was reading something about Yusuf Islam today,  and was reminded that Tea for the Tillerman and/or Teaser and the Firecat would be sighted in many record collections in those days.   The jacket art for those is as clear in my visual memory as the guy with sticks on his back on the Zepp album. 

I was thirteen the year of Woodstock and wasn't quite at the cheap wine skinny dipping with girls phase though I'm sure I would have polled YES!! on all of those at the time.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 18, 2020, 01:50:57 PM
(sister's vinyl in Almost Famous chat cont.)

I was reading something about Yusuf Islam today,  and was reminded that Tea for the Tillerman and/or Teaser and the Firecat would be sighted in many record collections in those days.   The jacket art for those is as clear in my visual memory as the guy with sticks on his back on the Zepp album. 

I was thirteen the year of Woodstock and wasn't quite at the cheap wine skinny dipping with girls phase though I'm sure I would have polled YES!! on all of those at the time.

And I left out the good part!

Cat Stevens TFTT was a great album. I bought it upon the recco of a record store owner who said, "bankshot-you got to hear this" and I did and bought it and turned a lot my college buddies on to it.

And in the original Anita's Album thread, either I or someone else brought it up for young William to listen to.

Edit-one of my posts from that thread (re Cat S)

I think Anita's 10 (Crowe's) are mostly representative of the time and gives William a pretty good guide to an intro to 60s rock and popular music. I didn't expect Zappa and the Mothers or Bowie , but Joplin might have made the cut, or Aretha, Cat Stevens, The Supremes, or the lads from Liverpool.

Digging into my memories from 50+ years ago, even growing up in Boston, which with all the colleges was a center for music experimentation, most popular music was available on very mainstream WMEX, or WRKO in a pop 40-ish format. A lot of stuff wasn't readily available. It wasn't until early '68 when BCN went on air that my musical bar mitzvah took place and heard a lof stuff that wasn't played in more commercial venues.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 19, 2020, 05:22:32 AM
In the late 70's and 80's music was still fairly regional, except for the major national acts like Journey.

Sometimes I would make the effort to tune into a Philly station late at night in the late 70's and they were playing a lot of different music than NYC.  Philly turned me on to George Thorogood, from Delaware, who you never heard on a NYC station.  Another example, I barely knew Al Green and had barely heard of the Hi Records stable of soul until I moved to Chicago in 1988.  There it was standard stuff.

These regional cocoons were kind of odd.  I can understand it for small local indie bands (NJ had lots of them), but a lot of record labels mostly had regional sales back then.
Title: Re: Movies-Almost Famous
Post by: josh on September 19, 2020, 02:05:18 PM
Almost Famous-Anita's Albums


As an aside, yesterday I gave my collection of vintage '60s and 70s albums to my kid.

Wish I had a kid to give such things to. I am envious of those of you who do.

In 1971, I got my first album at all. Before that, it was all radio or older sibs' music. And at that, I have no memory of my older brother's having played music at all at home. If he did when at prep school or college, it would be news to me, if not shocking news. He was 5 years older and I was pretty much no longer around him from when I was almost 9.

My sister was only a couple years older. Even then, while I knew what 45s she had (and I have those, now), no memory of her playing them - though she must have.

My memories of music, instead, came first from listening to what the camp counselors would play over summers from 65-69, then off to prep school myself (til they invited me to leave), and college, where my musical tastes got educated.

In 1973, I would have listed:
Blood, Sweat, and Tears 3
Yes - Close to the Edge
John Denver - Rocky Mountain High
Don McLean - American Pie
Chicago - Chicago at Carnegie Hall --> I know, not the same thing, but it's what I got and loved.
Partridge Family - The Partridge Family Album

Neil Young - Harvest --> didn't own it, but it was on my top ten of things listened to
Carole King's Tapestry --> another I didn't own, but knew by heart at the time

I think the other album that would have shown up on my top ten most listened to that I can still come up with is not this genre:
Stravinsky's Firebird Suite, 1919 version, on the same Bernstein album with Rite of Spring and some Prokofiev. Not my favorite Prokofiev. I also listened to a ton of Petrushka.

And Pat Paulsen for President.
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Now? Yes, almost all the albums you named would have shown up in a collection, had I had a stereo to play them on before I was 17, instead of a tinny cassette player. But I had no Beatles. No Stones. No Who.

I'd have had Let It Be and Sgt. Pepper. Tommy. Wildflowers (Judy Collins). Sounds of Silence. PPM's The Best of Peter, Paul and Mary: Ten Years Together. Many, many others I didn't know about then but do, now. King Crimson. Moody Blues... I could go on.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 19, 2020, 05:36:10 PM
It's funny how little Yes was recognized in the 70s in my neck of the woods.   The tranformed 80s Yes was more popular.   All I remember of 70s Yes was "Roundabout."

Stravinsky is a great one to have in any collection.   My parents loved Russian composers generally,  and that torch passed successfully to me.   

Partridge Family -- well,  you seem to have survived, reasonably intact.    Was more of a Monkees man meself,  so far as tv show bands go.   

BS&T -- some good covers of other bands/artists -- they incorporated some Prokofiev into their own songs,  too.  Very wide ranging in their motifs,  genres.    I didn't learn until recently,  when playing Erik Satie ("Gymnopedie") on the piano,  that they had adapted the Trois Gymnopedies  on an album.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on September 19, 2020, 08:26:16 PM
It's funny how little Yes was recognized in the 70s in my neck of the woods.   The tranformed 80s Yes was more popular.   All I remember of 70s Yes was "Roundabout."

Stravinsky is a great one to have in any collection.   My parents loved Russian composers generally,  and that torch passed successfully to me.   

Partridge Family -- well,  you seem to have survived, reasonably intact.    Was more of a Monkees man meself,  so far as tv show bands go.   

BS&T -- some good covers of other bands/artists -- they incorporated some Prokofiev into their own songs,  too.  Very wide ranging in their motifs,  genres.    I didn't learn until recently,  when playing Erik Satie ("Gymnopedie") on the piano,  that they had adapted the Trois Gymnopedies  on an album.   

Thinking on this (and being a Satie fan), I realize I could not do 10 bands, let alone 10 albums.

Byrds, ELP, Cream, Dr. Hook, The Band, CCR, CSN, etc.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 20, 2020, 05:55:36 AM
Circa 1977, as a pre-teen, some of the first albums I owned were Yes and ELO.  Then I think the Stones compilation High Tide and Green Grass.  I did get Some Girls when it was first released in Summer of '78.  And from there more classic Stones, Doors

My older brother had Alice Cooper's School's Out and Billion Dollar Babies circa '72/73, but then an inexplicable lull without albums for a few years until circa 1976/77, when he got on a big Aerosmith kick, along with The White Album, Dark Side of the Moon, Are You Experienced? and Lynyrd Skynyrd.

My brother was more selective than I was, with a much smaller collection, but fairly well chosen. 

I got both Goat's Head Soup and It's Only Rock and Roll (Xmas presents I asked for) before getting to the classic Stones period.  Basically a lot of guesswork and fumbling around and winging it.  I actually borrowed a cassette of Sticky Fingers from the library, and taped it to 8 track using microphones, but was too dense to realize that the basketball game I was watching in the same room was easily picked up in the background.  So I wound up with the Magic-Bird NCAA Final audio behind the Stones.  So March 26, 1979 was when I decided to pirate the library cassette copy of Sticky Fingers before I had to return it. 

Wish I kept that 8 track, it would be a very weird late 70's artifact.  I could probably sell it for thousands of ... pennies.  Maybe.  So people could laugh at what retards and technological doofuses folks were back in 1979.  8-tracks!
Title: Re: Movies-Almost Famous
Post by: bankshot1 on September 20, 2020, 04:53:04 PM
Almost Famous-Anita's Albums


As an aside, yesterday I gave my collection of vintage '60s and 70s albums to my kid.

Wish I had a kid to give such things to. I am envious of those of you who do.

I'd have had Let It Be and Sgt. Pepper. Tommy. Wildflowers (Judy Collins). Sounds of Silence. PPM's The Best of Peter, Paul and Mary: Ten Years Together. Many, many others I didn't know about then but do, now. King Crimson. Moody Blues... I could go on.

It was a good feeling to give my daughter something tangible that hopefully she will enjoy for years long after I've departed this mortal turntable.

I hadn't seen her in about 3 months, she's in NYC, me in Jersey, and we had brunch last Sunday and post-brunch we spent some time going through my albums, mostly circa '65-'75, and they've been in storage for years . I made no promises or guarantees for these vinyl treasures but hoped they held up over the years.

There were about 300 albums and almost all had personal back stories and memories, where I bought them, concerts that inspired the purchase, friends I got high with listening to them, girl friends, some loves of my life, some loves for a night, and some heart-breakers, and yet with a happy heart, and a brief tutorial on album handling and hygiene, I passed on my mini-treasure trove of 12" good good good vibrations for the next generation to groove to.

She was a finance major in school but minored in music and loves 60s music. As we were flipping through the albums, many of which she knew from car trips with me, youtube or spotify, she was getting off on the covers (including King Crimson's scream album-what an iconic cover) and my running commentaries and critiques of the albums. I felt like a cross between Anita gifting her albums to William, and one of those old-farts on American Pickers selling their priceless artifacts, rusted junk, and ephemera to Mike Wolfe who promises to find it its next loving home.

I think I found them a good home.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 23, 2020, 12:55:41 PM
Read your post that day but neglected to reply how it resonated.   My daughter (music major) took some of our old LPs (son is less collector,  more minimalist) though often with less backstory.   She had heard a lot of old tracks on the web,  too,  and would startle me in her coffee shop performances with some oldie I'd had no idea she was aware of. 

As far as owning collections,  I have sort of come to the Marie Kondo paradigm,  that your stuff doesn't have to be about who you were so much as about who you are becoming.   It's like,  if you had a chunk of rose quartz when you were a kid,  and a hundred pounds of other rocks,  then either it's a part of who you became (like a spelunker or a rockhound or a geologist)  or it isn't  (just a brief phase, then it all went into a basement crate).   Either way,  one choice specimen reminds you who you became,  or didn't become.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on September 23, 2020, 05:01:15 PM
if you had a chunk of rose quartz when you were a kid, 

Bart-ironically it was quarts of Rose that I imbibed on that fateful Woodstock Sat. afternoon...

the folly and excesses of youth

re daughters and our music- it would absolutely astound and delight me when I heard my kid sing along to oldies she realistically should be clueless about, with that perfect timing that we develop from hearing those songs over and over again.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on September 24, 2020, 11:09:19 AM
I've hooked my niece (now 25) on to lots of old music.
She seems to have pretty eclectic taste and not into any one set style of music.

My theory is that there's 100 years of recorded music out there, so why not listen to stuff that is great, classic, enduring.  I'm also interested in finding recent recordings that will or should be listened to 20 or 50 years from now.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 24, 2020, 11:59:57 AM
LoL at that bit about recording Sticky Fingers/NCAA onto 8-track. 

Weirdly 8-track somehow passed me by.   Had vinyl,  and a cassette player,  but never had a car with 8t.

Yeah,  it's great how your niece and all the young ones range so freely through a century of recorded music.  And further,  thanks to piano rolls that someone with a player piano will upload, that kind of thing.   (not that piano rolls are fully "recordings" since dynamics and inflection is lost)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on September 28, 2020, 09:59:00 AM
The Trial of The Chicago 7 (Netflix) Friday, Oct.16

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Aaron Sorkin's stuff tends to be really good (The West Wing) or really annoying (The Newsroom). His latest is a film about the trial of the "Chicago Seven" after the 1968 Democratic National Convention. With a fascinating cast (Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Michael Keaton, Yahya Abdul-Mateen II, and ... Sacha Baron Cohen?), it's a project Sorkin has apparently been working on for years, and because of the pandemic, it's landing on Netflix instead of in theaters.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on September 30, 2020, 12:34:08 PM
Got round to seeing Isle of Dogs.  (say the title aloud without imaging the words as written - there you go)  Absurdly talented voice actor cast which includes Bryan Cranston,  Edward Norton, Liev Schreiber, Bill Murray, Bob Balaban, Jeff Goldblum, Scarlett Johansson, Tilda Swinton, Ken Watanabe, Greta Gerwig, Frances McDormand, F. Murray Abraham, Fisher Stevens, Yoko Ono, Harvey Keitel, and Frank Wood.  I confess I was so busy recognizing famous voices that it may have clouded my ability to judge the film as a whole.  Which is okay, because this is really just a bit of fun, some funny lines, much doggy drollery, with a sprinkling of lite political satire.  I'm not sure if there was any subtextual reference to the actual Isle of Dogs, which Londoners will know is the location of their financial center, aka Canary Wharf.  This one's basically a garbage dump off the coast of Japan, full of dogs exiled due to some sort of canine virus that can spread to humans.  As is typical of Wes Anderson, it just starts there and gets more ridiculous.  The artwork is beautiful, btw.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 01, 2020, 06:45:06 PM
So, going back to that Cameron Crowe album list.

Here's a different take on it.

I'm going to limit the ten records to just the year 1973. And I think that a list from that year alone competes with just about any other list that fit the span of 1965-1973.

Here's the list, again taking albums only from 1973. (But not in any ranked order.)

And the best song on that album, IMO.

Stevie Wonder: InnerVision "Living For the City" https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ghLWjyOOLno&list=RDAMVMghLWjyOOLno (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=ghLWjyOOLno&list=RDAMVMghLWjyOOLno)

David Bowie: Aladdin Sane "Panic in Detroit" https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=CM3fCUmSheY&list=OLAK5uy_n6SqLC8xrc7tS5Cw9pDr7ECauksk3hgtQ (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=CM3fCUmSheY&list=OLAK5uy_n6SqLC8xrc7tS5Cw9pDr7ECauksk3hgtQ)

Led Zeppelin: Houses of the Holy "The Ocean"  https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=H8bVaTW6UCU&list=RDAMVMH8bVaTW6UCU (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=H8bVaTW6UCU&list=RDAMVMH8bVaTW6UCU)

Springsteen: The Wild, the Innocent, and the E Street Shuffle "Kitty's Back" https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=bLulUBjiIIc&list=RDAMVMbLulUBjiIIc (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=bLulUBjiIIc&list=RDAMVMbLulUBjiIIc)

James Brown: The Payback "Shoot Your Shot" https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=r16GK_zm7sc&list=OLAK5uy_kHqKBd_z4X-Q9hLeX-Xzd1Juhqf2WqyVM (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=r16GK_zm7sc&list=OLAK5uy_kHqKBd_z4X-Q9hLeX-Xzd1Juhqf2WqyVM)

Stones: Goats Head Soup

"Doo Doo Doo Doo Heartbreaker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bs7kUlITjE&list=PLJNbijG2M7OzDI8QuzOBu4Tiv1nlwTfkF&index=7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bs7kUlITjE&list=PLJNbijG2M7OzDI8QuzOBu4Tiv1nlwTfkF&index=7) Could be written today, and consider that the Stones just rereleased this album a few weeks ago.


Little Feat: Dixie Chicken "On Your Way Down" (later covered beautifully by Elvis Costello and the late, great Allen Toussaint, individually and then together) https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=dwk79zJFIGQ&list=OLAK5uy_l-TYojPQyprPCj3HspxS7F2DFLInFoMQQ (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=dwk79zJFIGQ&list=OLAK5uy_l-TYojPQyprPCj3HspxS7F2DFLInFoMQQ)

Pink Floyd: Dark Side of the Moon "Breathe" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vddl9TK5RqU&list=PL3PhWT10BW3Urh8ZXXpuU9h526ChwgWKy&index=2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vddl9TK5RqU&list=PL3PhWT10BW3Urh8ZXXpuU9h526ChwgWKy&index=2)

Queen: Queen "Keep Yourself Alive" https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=JofwEB9g1zg&list=OLAK5uy_lnE0PrQW4MK0wKfi0Yex2OSsC82M68Sqw (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=JofwEB9g1zg&list=OLAK5uy_lnE0PrQW4MK0wKfi0Yex2OSsC82M68Sqw)

The Wailers: Burnin' "Get Up, Stand Up". https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=KP0V15PgFaQ&list=RDAMVMKP0V15PgFaQ (https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=KP0V15PgFaQ&list=RDAMVMKP0V15PgFaQ)


Special mention, because they certainly influenced a lot of artists after this album came out. New York Dolls: New York Dolls
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on October 01, 2020, 08:09:00 PM
Good broad sample of 73.  High school me might have picked Over the Hills,  on Zepp V,  over The Ocean.   That Wailers track is fresh as ever!   Queen may not have been much on the radar yet in 1973 out in the plains states.  Not sure I ever heard their debut album.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 02, 2020, 01:45:08 AM
Good broad sample of 73.  High school me might have picked Over the Hills,  on Zepp V,  over The Ocean.   That Wailers track is fresh as ever!   Queen may not have been much on the radar yet in 1973 out in the plains states.  Not sure I ever heard their debut album.

Went to see Queen's first tour in the US, at a small theatre in Philly. Row 4, dead center, with Freddie Mercury as amazing then as he ever was later. But let me day, too, that the rest of the band were quite amazing themselves.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on October 02, 2020, 02:11:22 AM
Stones: Goats Head Soup

"Doo Doo Doo Doo Heartbreaker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bs7kUlITjE&list=PLJNbijG2M7OzDI8QuzOBu4Tiv1nlwTfkF&index=7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bs7kUlITjE&list=PLJNbijG2M7OzDI8QuzOBu4Tiv1nlwTfkF&index=7) Could be written today, and consider that the Stones just rereleased this album a few weeks ago.

There's so many of the early 70's protest and social consciousness songs that are perfectly relevant to today:

Marvin Gaye crooning about "trigger-happy policing"
The Stones Fingerprint File -- detailing FBI surveillance.
Steppenwolf's America/Suicide/Monster opus:
"we're fighting a war over there and no matter who is the inner we can't pay the cost"
Gil Scott Heron - Whitey on the Moon
Gene McDaniels entire Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse album -- but Supermarket Blues if I had to single out a single.
Dylan's Hurricane about criminal justice racism and unfairness.
and more ...

It's very notable how relevant these 1970's concerns are to today.  During Trump's farcical reinvention of Nixonia.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 02, 2020, 09:46:14 AM
Stones: Goats Head Soup

"Doo Doo Doo Doo Heartbreaker"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bs7kUlITjE&list=PLJNbijG2M7OzDI8QuzOBu4Tiv1nlwTfkF&index=7 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bs7kUlITjE&list=PLJNbijG2M7OzDI8QuzOBu4Tiv1nlwTfkF&index=7) Could be written today, and consider that the Stones just rereleased this album a few weeks ago.

There's so many of the early 70's protest and social consciousness songs that are perfectly relevant to today:

Marvin Gaye crooning about "trigger-happy policing"
The Stones Fingerprint File -- detailing FBI surveillance.
Steppenwolf's America/Suicide/Monster opus:
"we're fighting a war over there and no matter who is the inner we can't pay the cost"
Gil Scott Heron - Whitey on the Moon
Gene McDaniels entire Headless Heroes of the Apocalypse album -- but Supermarket Blues if I had to single out a single.
Dylan's Hurricane about criminal justice racism and unfairness.
and more ...

It's very notable how relevant these 1970's concerns are to today.  During Trump's farcical reinvention of Nixonia.

And this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBAwv49slC8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBAwv49slC8)

"Tax the rich,
Feed the poor,
'til there aren't no rich no more"
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on October 02, 2020, 07:50:11 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/oct/02/rick-moranis-punched-in-the-street-in-random-attack

The suspect list includes Gozer the Destructor and Zuul the Gatekeeper.   

I'm glad he's okay.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 02, 2020, 10:09:40 PM
Looks like a classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvPTCvUnNQA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvPTCvUnNQA)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on October 03, 2020, 02:10:03 PM
If are have only one comedic gear, low gear make best - more traction making!

I am very much look forward to this cinema show! 

The upcoming Cronenberg film (Brandon, David's son) also looks interesting.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Possessor_(film)

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 10, 2020, 03:52:56 PM
Sarah Paulson stars in a recently released Netflix series "Ratched" about the villain Nurse Ratched from "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and I just have to wonder why people keep making projects where the villains are the stars, there was "The Joker" and "Maleficent" and now "Ratched."

What is next, making a hero out of the King of England from the movie "Braveheart"? Having Scottish women raped by British men on their wedding night was really evil, and he did lots of really evil stuff, is he worthy of a new movie or series?
 
What about Hitler, killing Jews was pretty evil, are they going to make a movie about Hitler?
 
There is nothing cool about evil people, and evil people should not be the stars of the movies and series.
 
The GOOD people need to be the heroes. We need to see the Good people battle against evil.
 
Salute,
 
Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 10, 2020, 04:11:51 PM
I will never produce a movie where the villain is the hero. The people need to see the GOOD people fighting against evil, the good people need to be the stars.
 
And I will produce love stories.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on October 10, 2020, 07:01:38 PM
Tony,  I don't believe having a major character be a villain means that said villain is being presented as a hero or heroine.   No one would confuse Gregory Peck in The Boys from Brazil with a hero.   Many movies have portrayed people like Hitler,  Stalin,  Caligula,  Jack the Ripper,  and all manner of serial killers and other miscreants both real and fictional -- in almost none of them are these malign figures drawn as heroes,  and in such films there are often good people who are,  sometimes heroically,  resisting their evils.   Relax,  I suspect Nurse Ratched will have an antagonist or dramatic foil who brings decency and virtue of some variety to all the darkness.   

That said,  you should avoid "Wuthering Heights" at all costs.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on November 19, 2020, 11:59:31 PM
11/19/1975

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On this date in 1975, "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" was released.

Actor Kirk Douglas—who had originated the role of McMurphy in the 1963–64 Broadway stage version of the Ken Kesey novel—had purchased the film rights to the story, and tried for a decade to bring it to the big screen, but was unable to find a studio willing to make it with him. Eventually, he sold the rights to his son Michael Douglas, who succeeded in getting the film produced—but the elder Douglas, by then nearly 60, was considered too old for the McMurphy role, which ultimately went to 38-year-old Jack Nicholson. Douglas brought in Saul Zaentz as co-producer.

The film's first screenwriter, Lawrence Hauben, introduced Douglas to the work of Miloš Forman, whose 1967 Czechoslovak film "The Firemen's Ball" had certain qualities that mirrored the goals of the present script. Forman flew to California and discussed the script page by page, outlining what he would do, in contrast with other directors who had been approached who were less than forthcoming. Forman wrote in 2012: "To me, [the story] was not just literature, but real life, the life I lived in Czechoslovakia from my birth in 1932 until 1968. The Communist Party was my Nurse Ratched, telling me what I could and could not do; what I was or was not allowed to say; where I was and was not allowed to go; even who I was and was not."

Zaentz, a voracious reader, felt an affinity with Kesey, and so after Hauben's first attempt he asked Kesey to write the screenplay, and promised him a piece of the action, but it did not work out and ended in a financial dispute.

Hal Ashby, who had been an early consideration for director, suggested Jack Nicholson for the role of McMurphy. Nicholson had never played this type of role before. Production was delayed for about six months because of Nicholson's schedule. Douglas later stated in an interview that "that turned out to be a great blessing: it gave us the chance to get the ensemble right."

Danny DeVito, Douglas’ oldest friend, was the first to be cast, having played one of the patients, Martini, in the 1971 off-Broadway production. Chief Bromden, played by Will Sampson, was found through the referral of a used car dealer Douglas met on an airplane flight when Douglas told him they wanted a "big guy" to play the part. The dealer's father often sold cars to Native American customers and six months later called Douglas to say: "the biggest sonofab!tch Indian came in the other day!"

Forman had considered Shelley Duvall for the role of Candy; coincidentally, she, Nicholson, and Scatman Crothers (who portrays Turkle) would all later appear as part of the main cast of the 1980 film adaptation of "The Shining". While screening "Thieves Like Us" (1974) to see if she was right for the role, he became interested in Louise Fletcher, who had a supporting role, for the role of Nurse Ratched. A mutual acquaintance, the casting director Fred Roos, had already mentioned Fletcher's name as a possibility. Even so, it took four or five meetings, over a year, (during which the role was offered to other actresses such as Angela Lansbury, Anne Bancroft, and Geraldine Page) for Fletcher to secure the role of Nurse Ratched. Her final audition was late in 1974, with Forman, Zaentz, and Douglas. The day after Christmas, her agent called to say she was expected at the Oregon State Hospital in Salem on January 4 to begin rehearsals.

Speaking of the Orgon State Hospital, the producers decided to shoot the there, an actual mental hospital, as this was also the setting of the novel. The hospital’s director, Dean Brooks, was supportive of the filming and eventually ended up playing the character of Dr. John Spivey in the film. Brooks identified a patient for each of the actors to shadow, and some of the cast even slept on the wards at night. He also wanted to incorporate his patients into the crew, to which the producers agreed. Douglas recalls that it was not until later that he found out that many of them were criminally insane. (Wikipedia)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on November 20, 2020, 02:16:53 PM
Three and half months later, my mother took me and a half dozen friends to see OFOtC for my 11th birthday.  Pretty bold call from mom.  I'm sure a lot of it went over our heads. 

Great film.  Terrific casting.
It's hard to get a crew of mental patients to play out convincingly.
Certainly glad we got Jack instead of Kirk.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on November 22, 2020, 12:06:52 PM
Yep.   I could see Angela Lansbury as Ratched,  however.   Not saying she'd have been better than Fletcher,  but it would have been nicely disturbing. 

Wonder how many parody scenes have been done of Chief Bromden yanking out the water taps and tossing it through the window.   I've seen a couple.   

Somehow I knew Fletcher was on Deep Space 9, which means I must have watched a few eps.  Had forgotten them.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on November 23, 2020, 10:26:29 PM
Speaking of movies...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/23/us/utah-monolith-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: oilcan on November 24, 2020, 12:54:15 PM
In the words of Fox Mulder:  "I want to believe."

Cue music:  Also Sprach Zarathustra

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on November 24, 2020, 10:32:46 PM
In the words of Fox Mulder:  "I want to believe."

Cue music:  Also Sprach Zarathustra

I posted the link on FB mentioning the music.

I'd not remembered that that was just the first almost couple minutes of the whole 31-35 minute Strauss piece, however! It always struck me as a finale.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on November 26, 2020, 04:20:41 PM
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Adam-Troy Castro
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When Steven Spielberg got the rights to SCHINDLER'S LIST, intending initially only to function as producer, one director who begged him for the gig was one to whom it was intensely personal, Billy Wilder. Wilder, one of the greats, had not been able to get a project going for many years, and he would made an entirely different masterpiece (whether or not you think the Spielberg version lives up to that descriptor). Alas, Wilder walked out without the job. A tragedy. I can't blame Spielberg. Maybe he perceived that Wilder really was too old. But maybe he wasn't. Wilder died with a dozen late-life scripts in the drawer, and those are tragedies too.

What happened is that Spielberg continued to try to make the project work, and at one point gave it to Martin Scorsese, who also would have made a masterpiece. But Spielberg ultimately decided he wanted to do it, and so he contacted Scorsese and said, tell you what, I'll trade with you the project I have in the pipeline, that you would likely make better, anyway: my remake of CAPE FEAR.

So, honestly, this one project has multiple maddening ifs. I love the films that got made, but I want to see Billy Wilder's SCHINDLER, I want to see Scorsese's SCHINDLER, and I want to see Spielberg's CAPE FEAR. I would watch all of those tomorrow
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on December 05, 2020, 12:07:41 PM
Anyone seen "Mank"? 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 22, 2020, 03:23:15 PM
Pretty dull.   Less than the sum of its well crafted parts IMO. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 27, 2020, 01:59:37 PM
If you were to produce a new modern version of "Auntie Mame" who would you cast to play Auntie Mame? Goldie Hawn? Who?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051383/

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 27, 2020, 02:42:15 PM
If you were to produce a new modern version of "Auntie Mame" who would you cast to play Auntie Mame? Goldie Hawn? Who?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051383/

Salute,

Tony V.

My Mother thinks that it would be cool to produce "Auntie Mame" with an all Black cast, with Queen Latifah playing Auntie Mame. The only thing is, Queen Latifah is only 50 years old, she is too young to play Auntie Mame. I think the character is at least 60. I could be wrong, it just seems that the character should be played by an older woman like Goldie Hawn. Goldie Hawn is 75 years old. 

What do you guys think?

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on December 27, 2020, 08:19:52 PM
Well,  in the original novel,  Mame was in her late forties,  iirc, which fits the story logic of being an aunt to a young boy.  Rosalind Russell was in her forties when she played Mame in the stage adaptation in the 50's.   Angela Lansbury was also just past 40 when she played Mame in the musical adaptation in the 60's.  So I'd think casting a 75 year old would be a cockamamie idea.   Ha.  Then again,  Meryl Streep could absolutely nail it,  couldn't she?   

I would look for someone fortyish or fiftyish with a Roz Russell look.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on December 28, 2020, 12:21:26 PM
Well,  in the original novel,  Mame was in her late forties,  iirc, which fits the story logic of being an aunt to a young boy.  Rosalind Russell was in her forties when she played Mame in the stage adaptation in the 50's.   Angela Lansbury was also just past 40 when she played Mame in the musical adaptation in the 60's.  So I'd think casting a 75 year old would be a cockamamie idea.   Ha.  Then again,  Meryl Streep could absolutely nail it,  couldn't she?   

I would look for someone fortyish or fiftyish with a Roz Russell look.   

And in "real" life, playwright and character Patrick Dennis (pen name of Edward Everett Tanner) was born when his aunt was 30, so 45 when he was 15.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on January 12, 2021, 10:32:34 PM
The screenwriter for Buckaroo Banzai has a sequel novel coming out soon!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 13, 2021, 05:10:17 PM
What's that watermelon doing there?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on January 15, 2021, 03:18:47 PM
"gurgle warn anxieties segment"

Words I try to live by!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on January 23, 2021, 01:37:05 AM
I have been enjoying the short science fiction movies from Dust.

This is the most recent one I watched:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR0dp1lQPZcmMu-zzs0HyjRRSjYDBmqYqyFWPTH7221TTYW-utnyNyu3H04&v=RIKaRigsL44&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on January 23, 2021, 10:14:30 AM
Not bad.   Reminds me of the full-length one with Frank Langella and the bot.   Which I recommend, ICYMI.   

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robot_%26_Frank
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on January 27, 2021, 07:08:11 PM
 RIP Frau Blücher.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bodiddley on January 27, 2021, 10:21:40 PM
"Remember me."
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 28, 2021, 01:06:04 PM
Great comic actress.  I also liked her on "Raising Hope," and I tend to avoid sitcoms. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 05, 2021, 04:41:50 PM
Harlan Thrombey dies again.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on February 05, 2021, 05:57:06 PM
Goodbye,  farewell,  auf wiedersehn,  adieu!   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 01, 2021, 11:25:37 AM
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Rudy Giuliani got several, er, shout-outs

When “Borat Subsequent Moviefilm” won best motion picture, comedy or musical, at Sunday’s ceremony, Cohen wasted no time thanking the “talented newcomer” who appeared in his film’s most shocking scene. But he wasn’t talking about breakout Maria Bakalova, a best actress nominee for her role as Borat’s daughter.

“I’m talking, of course, about Rudy Giuliani,” Cohen said. “I mean, who can get more laughs out of one unzipping? Incredible.”

“Our movie was just the beginning for him,” Cohen continued as he skewered the former New York City mayor, who stood by former president Donald Trump as he baselessly claimed election fraud following his loss to President Biden. “Rudy went on to star in a string of comedy films. Hits like ‘Four Seasons Landscaping,’ ‘Hair Dye Another Day’ and the courtroom drama ‘A Very Public Fart.’ ”   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2021/03/01/golden-globes-chadwick-boseman-jane-fonda/

Both films that won best pic are on streaming services to which I don't subscribe.   Still think award organizations should require wide cinematic release of all contenders,  or during a pandemic,  a multi-platform release including dvd.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 07, 2021, 04:59:13 PM
I think I like Wes Anderson movies more than I thought I did.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 07, 2021, 07:03:26 PM
French Dispatch looks interesting.  Quite a cast.   

I liked Isle of Dogs more than I expected to. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2021, 07:02:35 AM
French Dispatch looks interesting.  Quite a cast.   
Let me guess. Bill Murray, Jason Schwartzman, Adrien Brody, Bob Balaban, one or more Wilson,.William Defoe, Jeff Goldblum and Tilda Swinton.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2021, 07:12:03 AM
Now that I looked it up, how could I have left out Edward Norton. But I believe every one I guessed is in it. And I note the long awaited reteaming of Marge Gunderson and Mike Yanagita.

Side note: imdb's cast list for the movie lists Saoirse Ronan, but uses a picture of Willem DeFoe.

Edit: Missed on Goldblum. But I note Morgane Polanski, who is, and Angelica Fellini, who isn't.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 08, 2021, 09:32:05 AM
IIRC,  his college roommate has been in every one of his films,  and cowrote at least three. 

Angelica Fellini - heh!   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2021, 09:39:16 AM
IIRC,  his college roommate has been in every one of his films,  and cowrote at least three. 

Angelica Fellini - heh!   
Moonrise Kingdom was surprisingly Wilson-free.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2021, 12:06:12 PM
I note Morgane Polanski, who is, and Angelica Fellini, who isn't.
I should have noted also that the original story was cowritten by Roman Coppola, who also is.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 15, 2021, 11:57:01 AM
I see the wholly unimpressive Mank led the Oscars with 10 nominations. Hollywood clearly loves being fellated.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 15, 2021, 02:14:44 PM
Indeed.   The mostly ignoring of Da 5 Bloods (one minor nom) seemed like a mistake to me.

We'll try to catch Nomadland and Chicago 7 on streaming.   Though more interested in Judas and the Black Messiah, which viewing would involve signing up for HBO Max.   If it passed through theaters here,  I missed it.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 15, 2021, 02:46:54 PM
CVII reminded me of e erythromycin I have ever seen from Aaron Sorkin - incredibly well written and.acted, but leaving no lasting impression on me.

Where the hell my autocorrect came up with that for "everything" I cannot say. But I like it so much I am leaving it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 15, 2021, 03:42:25 PM
I first  had to leap the hurdle of a movie titled "107," then why it reminded you of an antibiotic.  Happily I was able to decode Chicago 7, and erythromycin resistance soon followed. 

Sorkin's trademark "walk and talk" narrative style works well for some productions (like West Wing), but I've found it hard to keep up with at times.   Sometimes you have the impression you are learning a lot about a character,  but then it's melted away later.  That said,  I found Moneyball pretty good.   Some of his less acclaimed work,  like Charlie Wilson's War, I've liked more than the uber-hyped ones, like The Social Network.   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 16, 2021, 06:17:34 PM
Other interesting Oscar question: if both Judas and the Black Messiah are supporting actors, who is the lead?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 16, 2021, 07:34:56 PM
God only knows. 

Seriously, if Stanfield (O'Neal) isn't a lead role,  I must not understand the meaning of the term.   Both Kaluuya and Stanfield would seem to be co-stars,  not supportings.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on March 25, 2021, 08:51:15 PM
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/25/981113437/another-round-this-tipsy-danish-film-asks-why-not

Looks like it might be fun viewing.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on April 02, 2021, 03:10:33 PM
My spouse informs me she saw Spaceballs (Mel Brooks 1987 classic) for the first time while on a recent trip.   Wish I'd been along.   I liked it when I saw it back in the 80s, it's middle tier Brooks for me,  with Blazing S,  Young F,  and The Producers in the top tier.

May the Schwartz be with you.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: luee on April 25, 2021, 10:28:23 PM
Really strange AA year. Anybody know or care?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on April 26, 2021, 10:01:11 AM
Except for Nomadland,  we missed most of the major contenders,  so not much interest. 
Ma Rainey was on Netflix, but was not impressed and bailed after 45 minutes.  Same goes for Mank.   Movies you might stick it out for,  in a theater,  you can easily bail on when they're on streaming.   I guess the format was Soderberghian experimental and few liked it.   Didn't watch.   Daniel Kaluuya reportedly thanked his parents for having sex in his acceptance speech, then regretted it.   If the movie makes it back here,  we'll see it. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 26, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
Except for Nomadland,  we missed most of the major contenders,  so not much interest. 
Ma Rainey was on Netflix, but was not impressed and bailed after 45 minutes.  Same goes for Mank.   Movies you might stick it out for,  in a theater,  you can easily bail on when they're on streaming.   I guess the format was Soderberghian experimental and few liked it.   Didn't watch.   Daniel Kaluuya reportedly thanked his parents for having sex in his acceptance speech, then regretted it.   If the movie makes it back here,  we'll see it.
I am guessing the person most pissed of about Hopkins winning for Best Actor was Soderbergh. The order of the awards was clearly set up for an emotional catharsis. Instead we got the equivalent of the aliens' one weakness literally covers 80% of the planet they just invaded.

Neither Mank nor TTotCVII were worthy of a nomination. Haven't seen the others.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on May 03, 2021, 07:07:05 PM
Tot 107 sounds like some dark German sci-fi movie from the seventies.

I'll see JatBM when my HBO free trial starts.   The rest were overhyped except for Frances McD Loves her Camper,  which I found to be a luminous and melancholy meditation on what America is about. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on May 07, 2021, 03:46:05 PM
Caitlyn Flanagan has a funny and interesting take on that film...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/05/nomadland-oscars-1960s-consumerism/618822/

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on May 11, 2021, 01:41:19 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/10/entertainment/tom-cruise-scarlett-johansson-golden-globes/index.html
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: barton on May 13, 2021, 10:23:48 AM
Yeah,  "organization legitimized by Harvey Weinstein"  has become a bug rather than a feature.   

I'm not sure Cruise returning twenty year old awards is a form of protest that will galvanize action, but the NBC shutdown might.   As for sexually harassing Scarlett,  prepare HFPA for me to open a can of whup-tush on them if they pull that shit again.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 27, 2021, 04:18:00 PM
There are a lot of homeless actors, writers, poets, filmmakers, cinematographers, etc, out there on the streets of Southern California mixed in with the homeless people, and so there needs to be apartment complexes for the artists who are homeless.

Such as the Palm View apartments which were set up by the Chase and Royal Bank of Canada and the Actors Fund...

https://actorsfund.org/services-and-programs/palm-view

And the artists can all help each other, they can teach each other, and they can support each other, and they can make movies together, etc. Where one man has a weakness, his neighbor might have a strength. Working together people can achieve much more than any man could alone, and we are social creatures anyway, we love Tribes, etc.

Having apartment complexes for artists makes sense to me, and for instance in this neighborhood, it is an Industrial Neighborhood, people can film movies here, and people can make television shows, and people can make music videos and television commercials, etc. 

We can have a studio like Occidental in East Hollywood here in my neighborhood in Anaheim. (Also, the neighborhood by Occcidental in East Hollywood is a good, affordable neighborhood for poor artists.)

https://occidentalentertainment.com/

Here is a link for my complex in Anaheim, it would be perfect for homeless artists, and people could make movies across the street, etc. This is an Industrial Neighborhood. 

https://villa-platinum-apartments.business.site/

We have people who have a lot of training, and education, and experience, some have won awards, and they are mixed in with the homeless people, there needs to be special apartment complexes for the homeless artists.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 14, 2021, 07:22:59 PM
RIP Ned Beatty. No one could squeal like a pig quite like him.
Title: Re: Zooey Deschanel Alert
Post by: Oiled on June 15, 2021, 10:06:41 AM
Also great in Network.   Seemed like he was in every other movie I watched in the seventies and eighties.   

HAIRY,  be advised that your object of affection may be in need of rescue....

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2021/jun/15/the-celebrity-dating-game-zooey-deschanel-michael-bolton
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 20, 2021, 09:51:06 PM
In the Heights was the FD movie - excellent adaptation for the screen,  amazing cast.   What Bernstein and Sondheim did for the West Side,  Miranda has done for Washington Heights,  and the people that call it home (even when they're not sure it's home).   Indeed,  Miranda is far more successful IMO at telling us a story about a specific place and the whole multigenerational range of people that truly makes a neighborhood.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 22, 2021, 10:26:13 AM
Does  In the Heights misrepresent the Washington Heights area,   which is predominantly Afro-Dominican, in favor of paler Latinx actors who pass the "brown paper bag test"?   And is the music all wrong,  too?   This writer seems to think so....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/in-the-heights-lin-manuel-miranda-black-colorism-afro-latinos/

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 22, 2021, 10:42:05 AM
I watched the Japanese movie Mother on Netflix over the weekend. Kenneth Lonergan called it the feel good movie of the summer, so it has that going for it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 22, 2021, 11:48:05 AM
...feel good movie of the summer... 

***Spit take***

I bailed on this film.   You are a stoic and rugged viewer,  Boz.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 22, 2021, 02:44:18 PM
It gets bleaker.

I almost didn't make it past the first scene.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 22, 2021, 05:31:34 PM
Does  In the Heights misrepresent the Washington Heights area,   which is predominantly Afro-Dominican, in favor of paler Latinx actors who pass the "brown paper bag test"?   And is the music all wrong,  too?   This writer seems to think so....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/in-the-heights-lin-manuel-miranda-black-colorism-afro-latinos/

Yeah, well fuck him. What? Does he bring a Sherwin Williams color chart to watch a fucking movie?

And what's with the stupid "Latinx"?

Geezus, these people are such turds.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 23, 2021, 08:54:07 AM
It gets bleaker.

I almost didn't make it past the first scene.

There are three movies titled "Mother," in the past decade or so,  all difficult to watch.  Bong Joon Ho's 2009 film is sort of the flipped script of the 2020 one,  with a devoted mother who takes drastic steps to protect her mentally challenged son,  when he's accused of murdering a schoolgirl.   Probably the best of the three.   Darren Aronofsky's "Mother!" (2017) was disappointing and self-indulgently weird, like Terry Gilliam at his worst. I was ready to bail long before J-Law has her newborn baby eaten by cannibalistic fans of her writer husband.   YMMV.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 23, 2021, 11:21:47 AM
Does  In the Heights misrepresent the Washington Heights area,   which is predominantly Afro-Dominican, in favor of paler Latinx actors who pass the "brown paper bag test"?   And is the music all wrong,  too?   This writer seems to think so....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/21/in-the-heights-lin-manuel-miranda-black-colorism-afro-latinos/

Yeah, well fuck him. What? Does he bring a Sherwin Williams color chart to watch a fucking movie?

And what's with the stupid "Latinx"?

Geezus, these people are such turds.
Yeah, fuck all those minorities trying to reverse a century of underrepresentation and misportrayals in movies and visual media! Make persons of color MORE WHITE, Ham the Racist demands.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 23, 2021, 11:44:44 AM
"Latinx" is a gender neutral term to replace Latino or Latina. Because unlike white or Caucasian or black or African American there isn't a gender neutral term already.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 23, 2021, 11:59:57 AM
Yeah, the whole Lena Horne legacy, where all "black" actors are carefully selected for pale de-Africanized facial features has persisted in various forms.  I didn't personally mind that the cast in "Heights" was not Afro-Dominican, because I really had no idea what the ethnic mix in Washington Heights was and I was enjoying it for being so multi-generational and about the whole community and not just a couple romantic leads.  But I'm aware that my perspective rests on a mountain of ignorance, the type of ignorance which manifested in my youth as think of all "Asians" as a single ethnic category and all "Latinx," the same way.  We know there are cultural differences between a Scotsman and an Italian, and that you don't generally don't cast Neapolitan heartthrob Luigi Petrocelli as Highland crofter Angus McTavish.  No reason we can't distinguish Dominicans and Chileans and Cubans, etc.  The question of casting, for me, is of who is available among those groups, and is some talent being overlooked. 

It is permissible however to cast Jude Law as Michael Fassbender.  And I'm sure it happens all the time.  (Lime's review of "The Light Between Oceans" remains one of the funniest I've ever read, on this matter...)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on June 23, 2021, 12:27:42 PM


Might as well be twins.

I tend to think of Fassbender as an angrier Jude Law.  Punch Fassbender and he might defenestrate you, and show no remorse.  Punch Law and he might collapse into a chair, wipe at his face sadly, and shakily light a cigarette.

But otherwise, twins. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 23, 2021, 12:46:24 PM
Yeah, the whole Lena Horne legacy, where all "black" actors are carefully selected for pale de-Africanized facial features has persisted in various forms.  I didn't personally mind that the cast in "Heights" was not Afro-Dominican, because I really had no idea what the ethnic mix in Washington Heights was and I was enjoying it for being so multi-generational and about the whole community and not just a couple romantic leads.  But I'm aware that my perspective rests on a mountain of ignorance, the type of ignorance which manifested in my youth as think of all "Asians" as a single ethnic category and all "Latinx," the same way.  We know there are cultural differences between a Scotsman and an Italian, and that you don't generally don't cast Neapolitan heartthrob Luigi Petrocelli as Highland crofter Angus McTavish.  No reason we can't distinguish Dominicans and Chileans and Cubans, etc.  The question of casting, for me, is of who is available among those groups, and is some talent being overlooked. 

It is permissible however to cast Jude Law as Michael Fassbender.  And I'm sure it happens all the time.  (Lime's review of "The Light Between Oceans" remains one of the funniest I've ever read, on this matter...)
Personally, I think attributing "The feel good movie of the summer" to Kenneth Lonergan was pretty funny, but what do I know.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 23, 2021, 01:24:11 PM
Well, I did give the Lonergan attribution a "spit take," so I'm not ranking your jokes.  Not even possible to rank jokes, really, given how dependent they are on mood at that moment and so on.

But your review of The Light Between Oceans (2-3 years ago?) was one I passed along to a female friend who is a Jude Law* fan, and hysterical howls of laughter resulted.

* Michael Fassbender, actually

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 23, 2021, 02:14:26 PM
I did self plagiarize one of my favorite movie comments here:

https://oxfraud.com/BC-will
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 23, 2021, 05:42:04 PM
Damn!   Funny stuff.   I liked not only the movie lifts (the Anne Hathaway reference with its built-in Shakespearean resonance) but the footnote regarding all authors named George.   I accept the mystery, especially what may lie under Monsieur Simenon's skirts.
Or JK Rowling's retirement.   

In any case,  you've worked out some technical details of the Rowling theory in a careful way that impedes rational questioning, which is better than a lot of cracked pottery can manage.   It is hoped the brewery truck will arrive before I develop a coherent critique.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 24, 2021, 12:10:39 PM
I like to think that theory exists in a realm far beyond any concept of "rational questioning,"
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on June 27, 2021, 07:11:33 PM
Like string theory.   

I've now seen all three recent movies titled "Mother, " and found Bong Joon Ho's the best of the trio.   

I'm currently fascinated by the eight part Iceland series,  "Katla. "   Be sure and toggle it to "Original Icelandic,  with subtitles" because the Netflix dubbing is annoying and lacks the expressiveness of the actual actors voices.  The cleverness of the "changeling" trope lies in how it gradually reveals all the characters personal dramas and troubled pasts.   The narrative is bizarre and eerily beautiful. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 28, 2021, 09:30:46 AM
"Latinx" is a gender neutral term to replace Latino or Latina. Because unlike white or Caucasian or black or African American there isn't a gender neutral term already.

Here's a term that's more accurate. LatinIDI or AfroIDI.

Identity Issues.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 29, 2021, 03:27:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHa95iy2lF0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHa95iy2lF0)

Should be fun.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 29, 2021, 03:31:09 PM
"Latinx" is a gender neutral term to replace Latino or Latina. Because unlike white or Caucasian or black or African American there isn't a gender neutral term already.

Here's a term that's more accurate. LatinIDI or AfroIDI.

Identity Issues.
Oh look! A white man decides what minorities should be called! Bigot is as bigot does.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2021, 09:49:13 AM
All men are created equal. After that you're on your own. STFU and handle it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 30, 2021, 09:52:23 AM
All men are created equal. After that you're on your own. STFU and handle it.
Try treated instead of created and you get the issue Racist.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 30, 2021, 10:23:39 AM
Pithy reply.   Thumb up.

Binged "Katla" and would agree with OC's comment on how the plot device grapples with character pasts (cue Faulkner quote).   The village cop's dilemma (a healthy sexier version of his invalid wife appears) threads the needle between black comedy and horror.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2021, 02:05:22 PM
All men are created equal. After that you're on your own. STFU and handle it.
Try treated instead of created and you get the issue Racist.

Fuck you, Mao.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 30, 2021, 04:27:04 PM
All men are created equal. After that you're on your own. STFU and handle it.
Try treated instead of created and you get the issue Racist.

Fuck you, Mao.
Right back at ya, Forrest.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on June 30, 2021, 05:07:59 PM
"Latinx" is a gender neutral term to replace Latino or Latina. Because unlike white or Caucasian or black or African American there isn't a gender neutral term already.

Here's a term that's more accurate. LatinIDI or AfroIDI.

Identity Issues.
Oh look! A white man decides what minorities should be called! Bigot is as bigot does.

bozX

Got a question.

According to a by now widely cited study undertaken by the Pew Research Center and published in August, only one in four Latinos are even aware of the term Latinx, and just 3% say they use it to describe themselves.

The results run across demographics: Even though use of the term Latinx is greater among younger Latinos, only 7% of those ages 18 to 29 say they use it; among those 30 and older, that percentage drops to an abysmal 2%.

“The population it’s meant to describe isn’t even aware of it,” says Mark Hugo Lopez, Director of Global Migration and Demography research at the Pew Research Center, and one of the authors of the August 11 study. “It’s a striking finding.”

And it mirrors what we see in the Latin music universe. Although the term “Latinx” can be often found in English-language press releases, especially when pertaining to U.S. born or raised artists, it’s a rarity in Spanish language releases. Most telling, very few (if any in recent memory) Latin artists self-describe as Latinx, even when directly asked what term they prefer to use.



https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/ (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/)

If only 3% of the people who the term is meant to describe use the term to describe themselves, what are the dollars to tacos, a white woke social justice warrior at Oberlin, Brandeis or Berkeley, came up with the term?

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2021, 05:16:12 PM
"Latinx" is a gender neutral term to replace Latino or Latina. Because unlike white or Caucasian or black or African American there isn't a gender neutral term already.

Here's a term that's more accurate. LatinIDI or AfroIDI.

Identity Issues.
Oh look! A white man decides what minorities should be called! Bigot is as bigot does.

bozX

Got a question.

According to a by now widely cited study undertaken by the Pew Research Center and published in August, only one in four Latinos are even aware of the term Latinx, and just 3% say they use it to describe themselves.

The results run across demographics: Even though use of the term Latinx is greater among younger Latinos, only 7% of those ages 18 to 29 say they use it; among those 30 and older, that percentage drops to an abysmal 2%.

“The population it’s meant to describe isn’t even aware of it,” says Mark Hugo Lopez, Director of Global Migration and Demography research at the Pew Research Center, and one of the authors of the August 11 study. “It’s a striking finding.”

And it mirrors what we see in the Latin music universe. Although the term “Latinx” can be often found in English-language press releases, especially when pertaining to U.S. born or raised artists, it’s a rarity in Spanish language releases. Most telling, very few (if any in recent memory) Latin artists self-describe as Latinx, even when directly asked what term they prefer to use.



https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/ (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/)

If only 3% of the people who the term is meant to describe use the term to describe themselves, what are the dollars to tacos, a white woke social justice warrior at Oberlin, Brandeis or Berkeley, came up with the term?

Heh
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 30, 2021, 05:28:06 PM
"Latinx" is a gender neutral term to replace Latino or Latina. Because unlike white or Caucasian or black or African American there isn't a gender neutral term already.

Here's a term that's more accurate. LatinIDI or AfroIDI.

Identity Issues.
Oh look! A white man decides what minorities should be called! Bigot is as bigot does.

bozX

Got a question.

According to a by now widely cited study undertaken by the Pew Research Center and published in August, only one in four Latinos are even aware of the term Latinx, and just 3% say they use it to describe themselves.

The results run across demographics: Even though use of the term Latinx is greater among younger Latinos, only 7% of those ages 18 to 29 say they use it; among those 30 and older, that percentage drops to an abysmal 2%.

“The population it’s meant to describe isn’t even aware of it,” says Mark Hugo Lopez, Director of Global Migration and Demography research at the Pew Research Center, and one of the authors of the August 11 study. “It’s a striking finding.”

And it mirrors what we see in the Latin music universe. Although the term “Latinx” can be often found in English-language press releases, especially when pertaining to U.S. born or raised artists, it’s a rarity in Spanish language releases. Most telling, very few (if any in recent memory) Latin artists self-describe as Latinx, even when directly asked what term they prefer to use.



https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/ (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/)

If only 3% of the people who the term is meant to describe use the term to describe themselves, what are the dollars to tacos, a white woke social justice warrior at Oberlin, Brandeis or Berkeley, came up with the term?
Shit takes time for people to get used to it. And in answer to your final question, zero chance. It came out of the gay community, who did not want the gender identity of Spanish nouns.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: bankshot1 on June 30, 2021, 05:47:38 PM
Got it.

Its ok for a gay person (color not determined, but presumably of Latin(a-o-x) heritage can invent a term to define people, but a white straight Latin (a-o-x) person can't. 

Where are we on bi?

I'm not a linguist, but doesn't Spanish (or French or other Romance languages) use masculine and feminine identifiers, and is a trademark of the language?  And should we consider redefining and neutering all appropriate words? I'm sure someone at Brandeis can get a Phd(a-o-x) in this critical area of sociology/lingusitics

LMAOx
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 30, 2021, 06:56:57 PM
Great movie discussion of In the Heights , y'all! 

Probably a sign that I've stopped taking the chat seriously when I started wondering what would happen if we started neutering elsewhere in the common parlance.

Queen of Sheba ---> Monarch of They-ba
Shebop shebop ---> theybop theybop
Manitoba ---> Personitoba
Hero ---> Theyro
LaCrosse ---> XCrosse

And perhaps personal names could be rid of any gender implications....

Emma Thompson ---> Emparent Thompchild
Sir Francis Drake ---> X FrancX Duck
Peter O'Toole ---> Genital O'Genital
Dick Van Dyke ---> Genital Van LGBTQ
Fredrick Wiseman ---> FredX Wiseperson



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2021, 07:53:08 PM
"Latinx" is a gender neutral term to replace Latino or Latina. Because unlike white or Caucasian or black or African American there isn't a gender neutral term already.

Here's a term that's more accurate. LatinIDI or AfroIDI.

Identity Issues.
Oh look! A white man decides what minorities should be called! Bigot is as bigot does.

bozX

Got a question.

According to a by now widely cited study undertaken by the Pew Research Center and published in August, only one in four Latinos are even aware of the term Latinx, and just 3% say they use it to describe themselves.

The results run across demographics: Even though use of the term Latinx is greater among younger Latinos, only 7% of those ages 18 to 29 say they use it; among those 30 and older, that percentage drops to an abysmal 2%.

“The population it’s meant to describe isn’t even aware of it,” says Mark Hugo Lopez, Director of Global Migration and Demography research at the Pew Research Center, and one of the authors of the August 11 study. “It’s a striking finding.”

And it mirrors what we see in the Latin music universe. Although the term “Latinx” can be often found in English-language press releases, especially when pertaining to U.S. born or raised artists, it’s a rarity in Spanish language releases. Most telling, very few (if any in recent memory) Latin artists self-describe as Latinx, even when directly asked what term they prefer to use.



https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/ (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/latin/9514370/latinx-term-latin-community/)

If only 3% of the people who the term is meant to describe use the term to describe themselves, what are the dollars to tacos, a white woke social justice warrior at Oberlin, Brandeis or Berkeley, came up with the term?
Shit takes time for people to get used to it. And in answer to your final question, zero chance. It came out of the gay community, who did not want the gender identity of Spanish nouns.

What's the word on Russian verbs in the gay community? Is that coming along?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on June 30, 2021, 08:22:06 PM


Mickey Humantle
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 06, 2021, 01:42:14 PM
Rest in peace Richard Donner.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 08, 2021, 02:04:41 PM
If I had my production company up and running right now, I would produce "King Lear" by Shakespeare and I would hire Robert De Niro to star in it, and I would get Kenneth Branagh to direct it. It could be shot at the Occidental studio in East Hollywood for dirt cheap. The world would love it.

Salute,

Tony V.
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Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 09, 2021, 08:53:02 AM
Would over the counter Australian Viagra turn bambu from a flaccid Australian dick to an erect one?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on July 09, 2021, 09:17:32 AM
Speaking of erectile stimulants,  I saw Kate Winslet in "The Life of David Gale, " which I watched last night (there's a segue).   It's a window into where the country was,  re the death penalty,  ca.  2003, but pretty implausible as it drops a big cinder block of Message on your head.   And the DP opponents come off as cynical con artists under their veneer of idealism.   I would imagine this film set the DP movement back years.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 09, 2021, 09:23:07 AM
I promise you will love "Promising Young Woman".

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 09, 2021, 10:42:59 AM
Speaking of erectile stimulants,  I saw Kate Winslet in "The Life of David Gale, " which I watched last night (there's a segue).   It's a window into where the country was,  re the death penalty,  ca.  2003, but pretty implausible as it drops a big cinder block of Message on your head.   And the DP opponents come off as cynical con artists under their veneer of idealism.   I would imagine this film set the DP movement back years.
One of my least favorite movies of all time. The final twist is not only unforgivable but inexplicable.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on July 09, 2021, 08:25:24 PM
It's a bad enough movie that I'm content to let it remain inexplicable.   Unless the explanation is to provide a cheap sensation to those in the audience with heavily sloped foreheads and drool strings pendant from their gobbling mouths.   

For some reason,  I started watching thinking it was a David Fincher movie.  Boy,  was it ever not a Fincher movie,  except maybe in clumsily swiping some stylistic elements from "Se7en." 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on July 09, 2021, 08:27:02 PM
I promise you will love "Promising Young Woman".

Why?  I've  heard nothing about it that appeals to me.   What am I missing?   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 17, 2021, 12:07:43 PM
There are a thousand rave reviews of "Minari" out there.   I'll only add:  yes.   This is why people go to see movies.   This is what movies are for.   Best film of 2020. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 17, 2021, 04:48:01 PM
I promise you will love "Promising Young Woman".

Why?  I've  heard nothing about it that appeals to me.   What am I missing?

What are you missing...


Heh
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on July 19, 2021, 11:56:47 AM
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/09/1014677646/robert-downey-sr-director-of-experimental-american-movies-dies-at-age-85

RIP an innovative filmmaker. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on July 19, 2021, 09:01:52 PM
We're seeing Promising Young Woman tonight,  so I guess I'll be in on the joke or whatever...

I second OC's praise of Minari.   Sip a cup of boy piss and enjoy.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on July 20, 2021, 10:44:32 AM
PYW was far more than the revenge flick I'd expected.  Though it had some  darkly funny moments  ("what's my name?"), it is really more a tragedy about trauma and crushing remorse (the PYW cannot get past what she sees as her failure to save a friend from rape).   And the lengths people go to in denying the seriousness of sexual abuse and predatory behavior.   Carrie Mulligan's performance is outstanding. She's been outstanding every time she's appeared on a screen, AFAICT. 

   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 20, 2021, 01:12:33 PM
PYW was far more than the revenge flick I'd expected.  Though it had some  darkly funny moments  ("what's my name?"), it is really more a tragedy about trauma and crushing remorse (the PYW cannot get past what she sees as her failure to save a friend from rape).   And the lengths people go to in denying the seriousness of sexual abuse and predatory behavior.   Carrie Mulligan's performance is outstanding. She's been outstanding every time she's appeared on a screen, AFAICT. 

 

That's why I recommended it. It's an entertaining perspective on trauma, which is very hard to do.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 20, 2021, 03:09:29 PM
Oliver Stone 

45 minutes · 

It’s been a delight here at the Cannes Film Festival to rediscover big screens, properly projected to packed and cheering auditoriums (black tie, no less), and movies not made under pressure of box office results or algorithms. It’s infectious to be here with its generous 10-15-minute standing ovations for films. With my “JFK: The Director’s Cut” (1991) shown on the beach at night, and three public screenings of my new documentary, “JFK Revisited: Through the Looking Glass” (2021), I was only able to catch three of the main event films.

1. Sean Penn’s “Flag Day,” which is great, emotionally intense. Spurred on by his daughter Dylan, who’s quietly stunning in her debut, Sean gives us, I believe, his inner soul in one of his very best performances. The moving story of a fraud and criminal whose one loving treasure is his daughter in a career gone south, Penn as a director delivers a unique visual style.

2. Then there’s “Titane”! Get ready for this one. It will blowtorch your mind and scorch your other parts. The director, Julia Ducournau, is a blonde hurricane who made “Raw” as her first film. Not for everyone. My wife and a young female friend disliked it. But the auditorium went wild. The ‘bête noire’ of this rich lineup. An eruption of anger and love, of cars and androids, of gender fluidity that not for one second abides in the conventional, it comes across as a deeply personal catharsis with a lot of self-loathing evident -- but an “experience” on all levels.

3. Jacques (“The Prophet”) Audiard’s new film “Les Olympiades” is in the vein of intimate and humanistic ‘French’ cinema. But that’s not to ignore how completely beautifully evolved a parallel story he’s set in the mixed-race world of Paris’s 13th Arrondissement (from which the title is drawn). Especially notable is the sensual and sexual, ever-changing nature of people in love, which is so rarely seen in American cinema. Superb leading performances from Chinese Lucie Zhang, African Makita Samba, and French Noémie Merlant.

Of course, rumors and fiercely different opinions abound here, which makes it fun. I’ve heard, for instance, great things about Leos Carax’s opening night film, “Annette,” with Adam Driver and Marion Cotillard. Also, Wes Anderson’s “The French Dispatch,” with an all-star cast. Japan’s “Drive My Car,” a love tale from Ryusuke Hamaguchi, was touted by some as the big prize winner; others said it would be Asghar Farhadi’s “A Hero.”The ever-interesting Paul Verhoeven’s “Benedetta” is about a 17th century Italian nun, but Verhoeven of course has a way of enlivening everything with sex and sensuality. There’s also “Val,” an offbeat documentary on Val Kilmer, and Andrea Arnold’s “Cow,” a film about a cow and its fate, which is the object of adoration of the more sophisticated filmgoers who look for the classic oddball or outsider film. But there are so many pioneering films like this here. It’s all really what you can see in a week at the ultimate candy store. In the US, our metrics of judgement are increasingly box office and algorithms, which leaves little mercy for films that need the space to breathe and hang around.

The Palme d’Or turned out to be “Titane,” which surprised me -- film is definitely alive and well in Cannes.

-----------------------------

My response to Oliver Stone...


Very cool.

I love Cannes. I attended in 2000, and a film titled "Dancer in the Dark" won the Palme d' Or that year. It was a great crowd, I love the beach there, and the French make great chicken. And the night clubs in Cannes are amazing, you get to party with everyone from the international film community.

I have a script that I hope to premier at Cannes when I get it made. I wanted to get you to direct it, based on your work on "The Doors" starring Val Kilmer, this was a long time ago, and Hugh Hefner liked my script and he was going to put up the money if you would direct it, but you turned me down, Hef backed out, and I lost the backing. That was 20 years ago. I still have the script, but I do not know what to do with it. I was thinking about getting Ariana Grande to star, and see if she could help to get the backing to make the film, but I do not know. We will see what happens. Life is a journey.

Cannes is awesome, and I am glad that you had a great time. I am sure Cannes is happy to have you there, you are one of the best.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on July 22, 2021, 10:06:25 AM
PYW was far more than the revenge flick I'd expected.  Though it had some  darkly funny moments  ("what's my name?"), it is really more a tragedy about trauma and crushing remorse (the PYW cannot get past what she sees as her failure to save a friend from rape).   And the lengths people go to in denying the seriousness of sexual abuse and predatory behavior.   Carrie Mulligan's performance is outstanding. She's been outstanding every time she's appeared on a screen, AFAICT. 

 

That's why I recommended it. It's an entertaining perspective on trauma, which is very hard to do.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 22, 2021, 10:26:29 AM
Tony,  you could maybe find inspiration on how to get films made from "Bowfinger. " 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 22, 2021, 06:20:03 PM
Oilcan, "Bowfinger" is an awesome film, I love that movie. :)

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 22, 2021, 06:23:14 PM
Wendy Carrillo 

18 hours  · 

So proud of the work that went into SB144, signed today, includes major investments in CA Film & TV tax credits and sound stages.

A large piece on equity & diversity for below and above the line workforce related to the oversight of the CA Film Commission began in CA Budget Sub4, which I am honored to chair.

Grateful to the dedicated staff that researched and helped make it a reality. #MoreOfUs  Here’s the signed bill!

“We are providing this incredible tax benefit,” says California Assemblymember Wendy Carrillo, who is leading diversity efforts in Sacramento. “It needs to be reflective of the people of the state.”

----------------------

My response....


Southern California has the best schools in the world, including schools which train filmmakers and actors. We need to create jobs so that they can work here in Southern California after they finish college and when they are all trained and ready to work.

We also need some new studios, for the filmmakers in Orange County, and for the filmmakers who want to make movies in the desert of the Antelope Valley. We can have a new studio in Anaheim, and a new studio in Lancaster.

Keep up the great work. California has great schools, and we need to create jobs for the students after they graduate.

And it would be great to get all new producers, new writers, etc, and film all new television shows, it would be great for people to make a fresh new crop of great television shows with many being made right here in Southern California.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 26, 2021, 02:54:43 PM
Anaheim needs to start having an annual international film festival. We had one in 2010, and it was great, it would have gotten better over time, but that was it, and we never had another film festival. The same people produced the film festival here in Anaheim who produced the film festival in Palm Springs, and I have not heard of any more film festivals in Palm Springs either. But I did discover a great short film and met an inspiring star.

The best film of the Anaheim film festival, in my opinion, was "The Butterfly Circus" which stars  Nick Vujicic, who was born with no arms and no legs, it is a great film, and it is on You Tube so I can share it with you.

Here is the link...

https://youtu.be/y_MCwlY6zzg

The Anaheim film festival in 2010 was great, and Anaheim needs to start having an annual international film festival every year. Someone needs to organize it. 

And Anaheim needs to build a movie studio for the filmmakers in Orange County.

We have a lot of wonderful schools around here, and we have a lot of beautiful women, and the weather is great, we need to foster Entertainment Industry jobs in Orange County and we can improve the cultural experience. We also need to build a world class Opera House, and we need to support our Ballet, and community theatre, etc. Anaheim is great, and the whole cultural experience can be expanded. I am sure no one would oppose healthy progress and improvement. 

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 30, 2021, 01:04:46 PM
Lisa Brando, Marlon Brando's daughter, might help me to get my movie made, she put out a call for scripts, and I sent her my script. We will see what happens. I told her that I want Ariana Grande to star in it, with Julie Hutchinson as my casting director. My script is also already registered with SAG to use SAG actors. We will see what happens. I am excited. I have been trying to get my movie made for over 20 years, and it will be exciting if Lisa can help to get it made.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 05, 2021, 05:19:58 PM
Reese Witherspoon just got nine hundred million dollars to make movies with, and she wants to make movies about women and women's issues, so I sent her an idea for a movie about a woman. There was a soap star who ended up in a cult, and now she made it out and she is a Christian, but she had a really hard time with the cult. Her name is Hunter Tylo, someone can interview her, and someone could make a movie about what happened to her. It could help to teach people how to spot a cult, and how to avoid getting trapped in a cult. It could be a good movie. It would be easy to write, just interview Hunter Tylo and write a movie about what happened to her.

Also, maybe Reese can work together with Lisa Brando to help to make my movie "Echo, A Rock and Roll Tragedy." We will see what happens. With Julie Hutchinson doing the casting, starring Ariana Grande. We will see what happens.

Also, Disney needs to do The Foundation Trilogy by Isaac Asimov, the set of films would fit right in with Disney.

Salute,

Tony V.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 05, 2021, 06:07:08 PM
Disney could also make "The Count of Monte Cristo" as a set of films, or as a mini-series, they could make it at Cinecitta in Rome.

And someone could make "King Lear" by Shakespeare and they can get Robert De Niro to play King Lear, and that can be filmed at the Occidental studio in East Hollywood.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on August 07, 2021, 06:13:58 PM
Also, Disney needs to do The Foundation Trilogy by Isaac Asimov, the set of films would fit right in with Disney.


If I am not mistake, the Foundation Trilogy is going to start airing this fall or next year.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 10, 2021, 01:02:24 PM
It's the first book (the early trilogy) I ordered, around age 12, from the Doubleday-run Science Fiction Book Club.  Many of the concepts and political plot points were over my head then, but I did grasp that shortening a Dark Age from 30,000 years to 1000 years was a good goal.  Revisiting that Asimovian universe is def on the bucket list. 

Wonder if they'll move beyond the early trilogy to his later sequels.  I think there were four more, going into the eighties.  Robots of Dawn was also in that universe, as well as a couple others outside the series. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 18, 2021, 01:41:05 PM
I'm not one to gravitate to tv series that feature a budding filmmaker vomiting up a kitten in the pilot, but there is something kind of intriguing (and darkly funny) about the new Netflix series, "Brand New Cherry Flavor."  Touches of David Cronenberg, along with the bad dreams of Barton Fink, but somehow its own thing.  Always nice to see Catherine Keener playing a weirdo, too. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on August 23, 2021, 03:35:12 PM
It's the first book (the early trilogy) I ordered, around age 12, from the Doubleday-run Science Fiction Book Club.  Many of the concepts and political plot points were over my head then, but I did grasp that shortening a Dark Age from 30,000 years to 1000 years was a good goal.  Revisiting that Asimovian universe is def on the bucket list. 

Wonder if they'll move beyond the early trilogy to his later sequels.  I think there were four more, going into the eighties.  Robots of Dawn was also in that universe, as well as a couple others outside the series.

I hope not, but expect that if the trilogy is successful they may go straight to the additional books instead of doing a thorough job with the robots first.

Who knows, maybe they'll do Smith's Lensmen (the first 6 books, please) or Smith's Norstrilia next!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 23, 2021, 09:25:08 PM
Lensmen.   That's some serious old-school sci-fi.  Have seen those on bookstore shelves,  never partaken.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on August 26, 2021, 01:43:10 AM
Lensmen.   That's some serious old-school sci-fi.  Have seen those on bookstore shelves,  never partaken.

I do love them.

You don't need to even buy them, at this stage. You can read them on your computer, listen to them, or just download the text to your Kindle or Nook or whatever.
https://archive.org/search.php?query=triplanetary&page=1
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 26, 2021, 09:25:17 AM
Bart - I rewatched Johnny English Reborn on HBO from about the midpoint, just for the pleasure of hearing "Dear God please let me not die at the hands of the Swiss", a line that continues to offer me no end of pleasure when HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT'S DANIEL KALUUYA! I had completely forgotten,  if it had ever registered,  that he played the main sidekick in that movie. He does a pretty credible English accent.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 26, 2021, 09:32:56 AM
Kaluuya went to some trouble developing his accent,  selecting a womb located in London,  then residing there through his childhood,  in order to really capture the nuances. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on September 07, 2021, 12:24:09 PM
"Chappie," which starts with some potential to delve into the societal implications of AI, is disappointing.  Implausible as its plot turnings may be, it is interesting to watch and has some heart. 

Will say, regarding  the fate of "Mommy" at the end -- if your brain tracings are loaded onto a flashdrive, and then that flashdrive is loaded into a new robotic body, that's not going to be you.  It's not like you will wake up in the robot body.  You, as a conscious being, died and went elsewhere.  The robot will be a simulation of you. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on September 17, 2021, 01:34:32 PM
Mahlagha Jaberi needs to get her big break into acting, right now she is an influencer on social media, and she is a model, here are a couple of ideas...

Mahlagha could do "Lysistrata" by Aristophanes in Greece at an old ancient Greek theatre, and it could be filmed, and it could go to Netflix. Having a sexy Persian play the lead in this comedy about peace would be great.

Also, someone could produce "A Man Called Ove" with Woody Harrelson as Ove, and Mahlagha Jaberi can play Ove's Persian neighbor Parvaneh. This could go to the big screen.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 22, 2021, 08:19:35 PM
If you are into French films, I recommend that you check out "Chloe in the Afternoon" starring Bernard Verley, and be careful as it may have nudity.

https://www.newyorker.com/video/watch/chloe-in-the-afternoon

Hopefully you can find all of the great French films on Netlix. I have Netflix now, and I want to check out the classic French Cinema.

My Grandfather said we were related to Bernard Verley, I will find out when I do my DNA on Ancestry.com.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on October 26, 2021, 10:34:21 AM
Revisionist history in action: https://deadline.com/2021/10/revisionist-movie-museum-history-abridges-jews-1234857329/ (https://deadline.com/2021/10/revisionist-movie-museum-history-abridges-jews-1234857329/)

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on November 26, 2021, 11:15:47 AM
House of Gucci turns out to be the sort of high-camp movie that someone like Adam McKay might make, in which case it would be huge fun. Unfortunately, Ridley Scott directs, so I can see how critics, expecting something more serious and penetrating, were put off. The spouse and I enjoyed it for the trash-tacular it is, and OTT performances (with horrendous/hilarious Italian accents) especially from Jared Leto, who seemed to have been converted (by a bald wig and facial prosthetics and a plump suit) into one of the Mario Brothers. Al Pacino sounds more like the Bronx than Florence, and joins Leto and Lady Gaga in feasting voraciously on the sets and scenery, which is gorgeous BTW. Adam Driver, as Maurizio Gucci, the one who was murdered outside his office in the nineties, is the soul of actorly restraint that the rest of the film lacks.

I am going to recommend it for the exuberantly grotesque performance of Jared Leto, and for the unrivaled velocity with which it hurtles through plot issues that would have made a lesser (and wiser) director ask, erm, shouldn't this be more like a twelve hour miniseries??

Ridley turns 84 next week. I suggest throwing a big retirement party. Maybe have a snake burst out of a cake that looks like John Hurt?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on November 28, 2021, 05:06:34 PM
I watched the 2002 version of "The Count of Monte Cristo" starring Jim Caviezel, with my Mother and we loved it. Jim Caviezel is a great actor, and Richard Harris is in it, it is a good movie.

The book is long and there is no way to squeeze it into a two hour movie, so they had to cut a lot of stuff out, and they changed some things, but they did a good job.

If I produce it then I want to do it as a mini-series and stay true to the book. It could be made at Cinecitta in Rome, for Netflix, or for Disney, or whatever works.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on December 24, 2021, 12:31:07 PM
The heading of the previous post (hopefully deleted by the time anyone reads this) makes me believe there is potential poetry in a spambot.

Fine evacuate
 uncircumcised compartment,
 sarcomas pancreas,
alienated.

Well who has not eaten six Christmas cookies and had their pancreas be a bit alienated?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on December 24, 2021, 12:32:37 PM
I remain, yours truly, an "able-bodied abundant mandible."
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 24, 2021, 10:20:04 PM
Not one to use the phrase must-see movie, but oh man I have to see this...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/goingoutguide/movies/the-tragedy-of-macbeth-movie-review/2021/12/21/94d233a6-61bf-11ec-a7e8-3a8455b71fad_story.html

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 25, 2021, 12:38:10 PM
...Because this is what social media does: It puts arguments in front of you over and over again, tempting you to think that you just might be the one special person who can cut through the nonsense and be rewarded for your clarity and insight with attention from your peers. We all know that this is not true, and that we will fail, but that doesnt make us stop. It is almost like popping a pimple - it feels so satisfying in the moment, and comes with such a disgusting, delicious moment of relief...

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2021/12/is-die-hard-christmas-movie/620926/
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on January 10, 2022, 06:10:42 PM
We have some great schools here in Southern California which guarantee that the film industry will live on in Hollywood.

We have 2 of the best film schools in the world, we have USC film school, and we have the Dodge film school at Chapman.

And we have the AADA which is training actors in Hollywood, as well as in New York.

We also have a lot of great community colleges, including AVC out in the desert, and Fullerton College here in the OC.

Here is a link for the Cinema and Television section of classes at Fullerton College...

https://cinema.fullcoll.edu/courses/

The studios are just big empty buildings without the great creative people who make the movies and television shows happen, it is all about the people. As long as we keep training and teaching the people how to make movies and television shows then we will have a film and television industry here in Hollywood, it is all about the people.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on January 10, 2022, 07:34:09 PM
One thing too, if people want to get good, people need to forget about the money and instead people need to focus on the craft of making movies. People need to have fun and make movies, and the money will come when you start making good movies.

I worked on a student film once when no one else showed up, there was supposed to be a whole big group of people, and no one showed up. Me and the film student shot the film ourselves, and we just made up a film that we could shoot with just the two of us.

And we had a film festival in Anaheim and no one showed up, we did not have any celebrities hardly, and the people did not come. We had to give away free tickets and we still had empty seats. We need to have better film festivals here in Anaheim in the future and we need for the stars to show up, and we need to promote it well in advance so the crowds come. It is ridiculous that Toronto would have a bigger film festival than Anaheim. Anaheim needs to put together a good annual film festival.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on January 12, 2022, 06:11:10 PM
Advance Neurosis is one of my favorite Bunuel movies.  The performance by Greek actor Prednisone Urethral was nuanced and very free flowing. 
Title: The Door Into Summer movie
Post by: josh on January 14, 2022, 05:19:00 PM
https://www.netflix.com/watch/81517003

I have not watched this subtitled Japanese version of The Door Into Summer, yet. I've begun it and am looking forward to the rest of it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on January 14, 2022, 07:21:05 PM
Based on the Heinlein?  Cool.  Adding to my list.  Heinlein's anecdote about his cat, which inspired the title, has long been understood in my family of cat lovers.  That first snowfall, you open the door, and the cat gives you that look and plaintive sound, like what did you do with summer??

The last Japanese film I watched was the 2008 award winning "Departures," which I really liked.  And somehow missed, back when it was garnering praise. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on January 15, 2022, 10:43:56 PM
Margot Robbie was great as Sharon Tate in "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood." Margot might be good to star in my movie "Echo, A Rock and Roll Tragedy" if Ariana Grande is not interested.

Here is the info on Margot Robbie...

https://www.imdb.com/name/nm3053338/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm

She might be perfect for my movie. If I was able to pick the casting director of my choice then I would pick Julie Hutchinson and I would have Julie check out Margot and Ariana as the potential lead in my movie.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: The Door Into Summer movie
Post by: Holly Martins on February 02, 2022, 11:46:57 AM
https://www.netflix.com/watch/81517003

I have not watched this subtitled Japanese version of The Door Into Summer, yet. I've begun it and am looking forward to the rest of it.

Did see this a while ago, didn't seem too good.  Or logically consistent.  The acting seemed pretty B movie ish.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on February 02, 2022, 06:34:20 PM
( In response to spam above which will hopefully be gone )

There's a pharma called penisole?  What is it, a medication for one's penis 'ole?   Blimey! 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on February 03, 2022, 12:33:18 PM
Do not drink a beverage while reading, or read with a full bladder:

https://imightbewrong.substack.com/p/joel-coens-the-tragedy-of-macbeth?fbclid=IwAR0OXPYvKTrzMstXZYNPUeBytFTwOdNjsRLOpVnOtSV4jr0Gx5FhjjJf5_8

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 08, 2022, 09:45:16 AM
Oscar loves it some powerful dogs.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on February 08, 2022, 11:47:03 AM
No idea what Licorice Pizza or Nightmare Alley are doing on that list.  Still haven't seen Drive My Car, which I hope to remedy soon.  Dog Power was so odd and rife with layered ambiguities...ah fuck it, I just didn't always get the point.  But I think the boy is saving his poor mom. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on February 08, 2022, 11:49:59 AM
Here's the list...

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/08/1078904804/oscar-nominations-2022

Don't Look Up was funny, but never as I watched would I be thinking "Oscar material!"
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on February 12, 2022, 12:55:26 PM
We watched a movie last night we had missed when it was released in late 2015, Eye in the Sky, with Helen Mirren and Alan Rickman and a fine ensemble struggling with the ethics and legalities of making a drone strike in Nairobi on a house full of terrorists who are getting ready to do two suicide bombings. Without going into all the complexities (one of the most cerebral political thrillers I've seen), I'll just say it comes down to a choice: strike immediately and kill the bomb-vested ones before they leave (this is the only way to intercept them), while also likely killing a young girl selling bread right outside, or wait until the girl has sold her bread and leaves. If they wait, it is certain the bombers leave and dozens, maybe hundreds, will die in a shopping mall or marketplace. (a surveillance "beetle" is inside the house, so they can see the bombers strapping on vests and wiring up)

This film is a full exploration of what ethicists deal with in their famous thought experiment known as The Trolley Problem. (Worth Googling) - the proposal is to do something morally wrong to do something right, to save many lives. What philosopher Jeremy Bentham developed as an ethical system called utilitarianism. The generals are all pretty much okay with it. The government ministers are more resistant (not all for the best of reasons). The drone pilot, Aaron Paul, seeing the little girl, is horrified and puts up resistance and throws some procedural wrenches into the machinery. If you're not yelling things at the screen in the movie's final act, you just haven't been paying attention.

I especially recommend the film to anyone who has asked "So what's the problem with drone warfare?"
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on February 15, 2022, 08:54:25 AM
Nightmare Alley. Excellent take on film noir.

Should win Best Picture.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on March 14, 2022, 04:28:37 PM
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/13/1086373977/actor-william-hurt-star-of-broadcast-news-and-body-heat-dies-at-71

He had an unusual screen presence that I liked.  Not mentioned in this obit was his totally-nailed-it rendition of Macon Leary in Accidental Tourist
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2022, 08:14:06 PM
In the Middle East they love movies which are Love Stories with beautiful naked women, and that is exactly what I would like to produce, the people of the Middle East will love my movies.

I would put Ariana Grande naked in my movie right now if she wants to star in it, the whole world will love it.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 16, 2022, 08:29:22 PM
My hometown when I was a kid was like "Over the Edge" with a bunch of kids on drugs and no parents.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079688/

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 17, 2022, 02:59:37 PM
When I produce movies I can have good writing and beautiful women, and I can save money by not having special effects or any of that. I can hopefully keep the costs down, while making a nice profit and while giving something worthwhile to the world. Any time you make a movie about Love then it is worthwhile.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 22, 2022, 03:15:53 PM
I have a film school that is only 10 miles away from where I live, I can ride my bicycle there and have lunch and talk with the students and check the place out. As an actor I can act from free in their student films and maybe we can create some great videos for You Tube. And as a writer and filmmaker I have a lot to learn, it would be good for me to go visit a good learning environment. No matter how old I get I need to keep learning and I need to keep moving forward. I am blessed to have a great film school only 10 miles away, I need to go have lunch there and check the place out.

https://www.chapman.edu/dodge/index.aspx

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on March 28, 2022, 09:46:36 AM
PotD was the only one I saw, among those garnering major awards. Did not watch the ceremony. I assume there were the usual alopecia-based jokes and subsequent face-slappings.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 28, 2022, 09:50:08 AM
Best thing was the implied understanding that in 2084, when they remake West Side Story again, a Latinx woman will win the Oscar again.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 28, 2022, 10:42:54 AM
Shame on Spielberg and the studio

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/entertainment/rachel-zegler-oscars/

Unfathomable that he was not invited
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 28, 2022, 01:05:50 PM
Shame on Spielberg and the studio

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/21/entertainment/rachel-zegler-oscars/

Unfathomable that he was not invited

"He" seems to have been invited, Kid.

https://people.com/movies/rachel-zegler-jokes-about-2022-oscars-invite-while-presenting-dreams-really-can-come-true/

Don't know what happened either to prompt the link you shared or between your link and mine, but clearly she was there.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on March 28, 2022, 02:51:03 PM
Guess it's just as well Ricky Gervais didn't host this year.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 28, 2022, 05:10:31 PM
"This (Cjris Rock\Will Smith) is the first time I have seen the media cover black on black crime"




Jesse Waters
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 28, 2022, 06:10:31 PM
And people wonder why they get labeled racist.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on March 30, 2022, 01:50:39 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/entertainment/bruce-willis-aphasia/index.html

Tough break.  Hope he can recover.  His performance in the German movie Die Hard
(The Hard) is truly iconic. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on March 30, 2022, 01:54:53 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/entertainment/bruce-willis-aphasia/index.html

Tough break.  Hope he can recover.  His performance in the German movie Die Hard
(The Hard) is truly iconic.

https://www.stroke.org.uk/what-is-aphasia/types-of-aphasia
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: kidcarter8 on March 31, 2022, 07:42:11 AM
Thanks, Josh

Barton of course had to joke about it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on March 31, 2022, 09:32:34 AM
Thanks, Josh

Barton of course had to joke about it.

"This (Cjris Rock\Will Smith) is the first time I have seen the media cover black on black crime"


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on March 31, 2022, 09:37:00 AM
Am familiar with aphasia - family member was temporarily aphasic after a stroke, but fully recovered.  Am aware that Bruce recovery depends on the type of neurological condition he has.  The Die Hard joke was an old one and not in any way making fun of his current problems.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 01, 2022, 06:23:23 PM
With a single petulant blow, he advocated violence, diminished women, insulted the entertainment industry, and perpetuated stereotypes about the Black community.

Will Smith gets...
Kareemed.


https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith-did-a-bad-bad-thing?s=r (https://kareem.substack.com/p/will-smith-did-a-bad-bad-thing?s=r)

As he should.

And apologize to Questlove, too.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on April 01, 2022, 10:12:20 PM
After much thought and consideration, the Razzies have made the decision to rescind the Razzie Award given to Bruce Willis, due to his recently disclosed diagnosis, Razzies co-founders John Wilson and Maureen Murphy said in a statement provided to news outlets. If someones medical condition is a factor in their decision making and/or their performance, we acknowledge that it is not appropriate to give them a Razzie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/01/bruce-willis-razzies-rescind-aphasia/
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on April 01, 2022, 11:07:08 PM
Cruelest April 1st post of the year:
https://www.facebook.com/lastunicornmovie/posts/10159194431277144

Or this if you don't FB, to copy and past:
<iframe src="https://www.facebook.com/plugins/post.php?href=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2Flastunicornmovie%2Fposts%2F10159194431277144&show_text=true&width=500" width="500" height="660" style="border:none;overflow:hidden" scrolling="no" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true" allow="autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; picture-in-picture; web-share"></iframe>
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on April 06, 2022, 11:03:08 AM
After much thought and consideration, the Razzies have made the decision to rescind the Razzie Award given to Bruce Willis, due to his recently disclosed diagnosis, Razzies co-founders John Wilson and Maureen Murphy said in a statement provided to news outlets. If someones medical condition is a factor in their decision making and/or their performance, we acknowledge that it is not appropriate to give them a Razzie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/01/bruce-willis-razzies-rescind-aphasia/

Bruce Willis couldn't act BEFORE his alleged condition.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on April 07, 2022, 12:16:32 PM
After much thought and consideration, the Razzies have made the decision to rescind the Razzie Award given to Bruce Willis, due to his recently disclosed diagnosis, Razzies co-founders John Wilson and Maureen Murphy said in a statement provided to news outlets. If someones medical condition is a factor in their decision making and/or their performance, we acknowledge that it is not appropriate to give them a Razzie.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/04/01/bruce-willis-razzies-rescind-aphasia/

Bruce Willis couldn't act BEFORE his alleged condition.

Which was why the Razzie award was initially named for him to begin with.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 09, 2022, 03:45:57 PM
"Movies should be a positive expression that there is hope, love, mercy, justice, and charity. It is the filmmaker's responsibility to emphasize the positive qualities of humanity by showing the triumph of the individual over adversities."

- Frank Capra 1960
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on May 10, 2022, 01:48:00 AM
"Movies should be a positive expression that there is hope, love, mercy, justice, and charity. It is the filmmaker's responsibility to emphasize the positive qualities of humanity by showing the triumph of the individual over adversities."

- Frank Capra 1960

And it is that attitude that led to the bastardization of The Natural, ruining the story by Bernard Malamud.

It's that attitude that leads them to put elves at Helm's Deep.

I like positive expressions, but I like more than just that. Sometimes the hero strikes out in the end, no less heroic, but less successful. And that is as it should be.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 10, 2022, 10:06:13 AM
Tony is a much bigger fan of Capra Corn than I am. Give me Chuck Tatum over George Bailey, any day.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 10, 2022, 10:35:52 AM
I'm a thousand dollar a day newsman.  You can have me for nothin!

Great film.

I'd rewatch A in the Hole, or Seventh Seal, before I'd sit through a Capra film again.
Except maybe Mr Smith, for Claude Rains fantastical transformation at the end, after he tries to shoot himself. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 10, 2022, 10:49:56 AM
"Movies should be a positive expression that there is hope, love, mercy, justice, and charity. It is the filmmaker's responsibility to emphasize the positive qualities of humanity by showing the triumph of the individual over adversities."

- Frank Capra 1960

And it is that attitude that led to the bastardization of The Natural, ruining the story by Bernard Malamud.


The adaptation of Malamud's The Tenants also kind of dropped the ball. Snoop Dogg and Dylan McDermott in the moribund apartment building.  The adaptation of The Fixer, with Alan Bates as the Russian Jewish prisoner was better.  As Carol over at Third Eye would say, anything with Alan Bates is better. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 11, 2022, 03:05:17 PM
"Ace in the Hole" is a great film, and Kirk Douglas was great, he attended the AADA and got his break thanks to Lauren Bacall who also attended the Academy.

And Capra was fantastic, "It's A Wonderful Life" still stands up as a must watch film at Christmas time, and "Meet John Doe" is a great film, as is "A Hole in the Head." Capra came over to America poor on a ship from Italy and he rose to the top of Hollywood, Capra was a true American success story, someday someone should make a film about Frank Capra.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2022, 03:09:36 PM
Frank Capra came from a poor family who thought that an education was a waste, and Capra's family wanted Capra to work instead of going to school. But, Capra studied anyway, and Capra went on to be one of the best directors of all time.

A film about Capra would be inspirational for people.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 12, 2022, 06:36:39 PM
I think Ron Howard did a documentary on Capra, back in the 90s.  Maybe on PBS.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on May 12, 2022, 11:35:42 PM
I think Ron Howard did a documentary on Capra, back in the 90s.  Maybe on PBS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU6Ti9cqchc

You nailed it!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2022, 11:52:16 PM
I think Ron Howard did a documentary on Capra, back in the 90s.  Maybe on PBS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU6Ti9cqchc

You nailed it!

Thanks! I will watch it.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2022, 11:56:54 PM
Keep an eye out for Marlon Brando's Granddaughter Amanda, she is very beautiful and she is Brando's Granddaughter so she has connections. Amanda is modeling right now, and I told Lisa Brando to send Amanda to the AADA and to do student films at USC and at the Dodge film school at Chapman, and I recommended a great old school acting coach who was trained in New York with Uta Hagen and Sanford Meisner. I guess Amanda lives in Hollywood. Lisa Brando is an agent, so she will take good care of Amanda.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 13, 2022, 07:03:25 PM
RIP Fred Ward. Versatile talent. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 25, 2022, 09:31:28 PM
Anne Hathaway looks good at Cannes 2022, nice legs!

Lots of stars attended Cannes this year.

I wish I was there. I attended in 2000, "Dancer in the Dark" starring Bjork won the Palme d Or when I was there.

Cannes is a giant party with movies and great food, it is a cool film festival.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 26, 2022, 11:15:02 AM
Not sure when it happened, but the Buellton Inn in Buellton has decided to lean heavily into a 20 year old movie and has changed its name to the Sideways Inn. While we did not stop there they did advertise a wine tasting at which I hope there was no fucking merlot.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 26, 2022, 12:22:57 PM
Well shit.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-ray-liotta-dead-goodfellas-20220526-5qa4dvoqwfcejlmz7faya45wza-story.html
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 26, 2022, 12:40:07 PM
I like going this way - it's better than waiting in line.

Damn. 



Buellton.  Ha! 

Solvang is more my kind of town.  Pinot noir country.  With Danes.  And pastry.  Though more pastry than Danes, these days.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 26, 2022, 12:57:07 PM
I like going this way - it's better than waiting in line.

Damn. 



Buellton.  Ha! 

Solvang is more my kind of town.  Pinot noir country.  With Danes.  And pastry.  Though more pastry than Danes, these days.
Well, given the distance between the two cities... Solvang has a beautiful mission in addition to its great Danish heritage. Having some level of Danish in my northern European mongrel mix, I had many of them in my youth, but my wife had never had an abelskiver before.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 26, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
Loath as I am to admit it, the pocket pancake, abelskiver, is an improvement on the Swedish pancake of my forebears, though both are great, especially with lingonberries.  We trekked a few times in my childhood to Lindsborg, KS which is the Swedish Solvang equivalent and about twenty miles from the farm my father grew up on. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 26, 2022, 03:35:21 PM
I would give my pinkie toe for a good plate of lingonberry pancakes.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on May 27, 2022, 12:47:37 AM
I was said to read of Liotta's passing - he was only 67!

Off to the Field of Dreams.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 28, 2022, 10:06:37 PM
Triangle of Sadness looks good - just won at Cannes.  From Svensk director Claes Olle Ruben Ostlund, dialog in English.

Title refers to a term in plastic surgery. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on May 29, 2022, 04:19:27 PM
Cannes is explicitly trying to acknowledge their colonialist past.

So... this was a bit of a surprise to one filmmaker:
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/29/indigenous-director-asked-to-leave-cannes-event-over-shoes
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 29, 2022, 06:44:47 PM
City of Anaheim- Municipal Government

11 minutes

Austin Butler of Anaheim  is seeing buzz for his portrayal of Elvis Presley in the upcoming biopic Elvis.

Butler, who was born in Anaheim and attended Twila Reid Elementary School, takes on the daunting role of playing the King alongside Tom Hanks as Col. Tom Parker, the domineering manager of Presley.

After this week at the Cannes Film Festival premier, Butler has earned praise for his impassioned performance of the American icon.

Butler got his start in television with parts on Hannah Montana, CSI: Miami and others.

In 2019, he earned critical praise for his role in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood as Manson family bad guy Tex Watson.

Elvis hits theaters on June 24. Congrats to Butler and way to make Anaheim proud!

--------------

If you succeed then the world loves you!

"...And then he has won, through his fantasy he has achieved that which before he had only in fantasy; wealth, honor, and the love of women." - Sanford Meisner who got it from Sigmund frued.

When you succeed in Show Business then your home town brags that you were born there. That is how it is, and people who you do not even know will cry when you die and they will say what a great guy you were.

You are a bum until you succeed, then you get eternal praise.

Salute,

Tony V.





Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 29, 2022, 07:16:53 PM
In the poem "If" by Rudyard Kipling he says that triumph and disaster are both impostors. You have to treat them both the same. It is especially true in Show Business. Though it would be nice to have a nice triumph every now and then.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 29, 2022, 08:25:19 PM
Watched Operation Mincemeat and definitely prefer the old-fashioned take of the same story in The Man Who Never Was. The ahistorical love triangle might have been tolerable but I literally threw feces at the screen every time it went into typerration from Ian Fleming and I know what literally means. And while I am at it, I suppose the Fleming stuff was supposed to be amusing (One character naming the head of the 20 M, Fleming pulling a watch with a buzz saw in it off the Q Bench) but it just made me literally roll my eyes and I know what literally means.

On the bright side, it is always nice to see Jason Isaac without long straight white hair and to see Beria playing Churchill, even though the.scenes with Isaac and Beale reminded me that they were in a much much better movie together.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 29, 2022, 08:37:24 PM
Maybe Austin can help to bring a new modern film and television studio to Anaheim. Maybe with Disney. Maybe Austin can help to bridge the gap between the Citizens of Anaheim and Disney. And we also have the Dodge film school at Chapman, maybe Austin can help us to expand the Entertainment Industry here in Anaheim.

I hope that "Elvis" is a huge hit.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 29, 2022, 09:08:13 PM
Watched Operation Mincemeat and definitely prefer the old-fashioned take of the same story in The Man Who Never Was. The ahistorical love triangle might have been tolerable but I literally threw feces at the screen every time it went into typerration from Ian Fleming and I know what literally means. And while I am at it, I suppose the Fleming stuff was supposed to be amusing (One character naming the head of the 20 M, Fleming pulling a watch with a buzz saw in it off the Q Bench) but it just made me literally roll my eyes and I know what literally means.

On the bright side, it is always nice to see Jason Isaac without long straight white hair and to see Beria playing Churchill, even though the.scenes with Isaac and Beale reminded me that they were in a much much better movie together.

Haven't seen the Clifton Webb version.  Spouse has read Montagu's book probably ten times, so I expect we'll give it a shot, though I have a firm policy of not watching movies with two Mr Darcys in them.  Breaking that rule is not going to be easy.

What is typerration?  I know what literally means, but typerration has stumped both me and the OED. 

Of the two literal actions you describe, I found the rolling of eyes more credible. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 29, 2022, 10:19:20 PM
Typing/narration. Voice over reading the words as they are typing them.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 29, 2022, 10:20:23 PM
Watched Operation Mincemeat and definitely prefer the old-fashioned take of the same story in The Man Who Never Was. The ahistorical love triangle might have been tolerable but I literally threw feces at the screen every time it went into typerration from Ian Fleming and I know what literally means. And while I am at it, I suppose the Fleming stuff was supposed to be amusing (One character naming the head of the 20 M, Fleming pulling a watch with a buzz saw in it off the Q Bench) but it just made me literally roll my eyes and I know what literally means.

On the bright side, it is always nice to see Jason Isaac without long straight white hair and to see Beria playing Churchill, even though the.scenes with Isaac and Beale reminded me that they were in a much much better movie together.

Haven't seen the Clifton Webb version.  Spouse has read Montagu's book probably ten times, so I expect we'll give it a shot, though I have a firm policy of not watching movies with two Mr Darcys in them.  Breaking that rule is not going to be easy.

What is typerration?  I know what literally means, but typerration has stumped both me and the OED. 

Of the two literal actions you describe, I found the rolling of eyes more credible.
Yes, but I do have a dog, which helps.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 30, 2022, 10:19:46 AM
We sat, we watched, we flung.  To my regret, the litterbox was two floors away.

The writing seemed entirely bent on creating drama (and a love triangle) where very little existed (as one might expect from a movie) while overlooking parts of the real Ewan Montagu's account which would have added much - like a ring of truth.   The corpse of the Welshman was frozen, so that Weekend at Bernie's photo shoot was ridiculous - their main problem, as they prepared him for transit (per my spouse) was getting his boots on over frozen feet.  The typerration was indeed annoying, and odd coming from Fleming when it is Montagu's account of events that is the basis for most of what we know.  Fleming did contribute to the Trout memo, but remained in Adm. Godfrey's office, and would have not been at a desk in the Group XX room. 

What really failed was the extreme magnification of Montagu's romantic interest in Leslie, which seemed subtle as a buzzsaw wristwatch and too obvious an attempt to keep the film from being overly procedural by injection of Casablanca tropes.  It rings false, and Firth's goyish looks would be ill-suited to the real Montagu's Jewish guilt. 

The bit about Hitler's senior intelligence man in the Abwehr seemed to draw mainly from the historical fact that Von Roenne was later linked to comspirators in the Hitler assassination attempt, and was anti-Nazi party.  The mystery man in Leslie's apartment, however, seems a weird speculative tack, and tossed in to add suspense.  Given that most viewers of such a film are aware the Allies succeeded in their invasion, I'm not sure this kind of twist really adds much.  It simply pulls the viewer out of the film enough to say, well, Mincemeat was swallowed, so this is nothing really.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 30, 2022, 10:35:10 AM
Way more typing then the movie is worth.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on May 30, 2022, 10:54:15 AM
The historical topic is interesting to me even if the movie isn't.  Plus I haven't played at Film Critic in a while, so this was a barrel of fish into which I could fire some rounds.  Now I have a leaky barrel.

Mostly I'm awaiting Triangle of Sadness.

(whenever I type Triangle, my Chrome editor's suggestion line first offers Shirtwaist as the next word...)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 01, 2022, 10:56:23 AM
Speaking of Cannes, did they just give the Jury Prize to a sequel to Au hazard Balthazar?

https://www.screendaily.com/news/hanway-sells-cannes-award-winner-eo-to-north-america-uk/5171377.article
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 02, 2022, 09:48:17 AM
Seems inspired by the Bresson.



AO Scott asks if Hollywood is really pushing Liberalism.

https://archive.ph/lL2vE
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on June 07, 2022, 02:16:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11IPQYZMXjc

Trailer for Hallelujah: The Movie

Did somebody here post it in a different forum? This is where I would have been most likely to see it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 07, 2022, 03:59:27 PM
We talking about the King Vidor movie? The first talkie with a black cast?  The link seems to be something else, but not sure what. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on June 08, 2022, 02:20:08 AM
We talking about the King Vidor movie? The first talkie with a black cast?  The link seems to be something else, but not sure what.

Weird.

I have now put the right link up.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 08, 2022, 08:41:05 PM
I need to go see the new "Top Gun: Maverick" movie, and I am sure my home town is going to love the movie as they build and test the planes out in the desert. I grew up watching top secret planes flying overhead.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on June 15, 2022, 03:58:49 PM
From FB four days ago

Cinema Shorthand Society

Quote
Gene Wilder would only make "Young Frankenstein" (1974) if Mel Brooks promised not to appear in it. Brooks usually appeared in his own films, but Wilder felt that Brooks' appearance would ruin the illusion. Brooks made off-camera appearances as the howling wolf, Frederick's grandfather, and the shrieking cat.

Wilder and  Brooks got into only one fight during the movie's production, but it was a big one with Mel throwing a huge temper tantrum, yelling and raging and eventually storming out of Gene's apartment (where the men had been working on the script). Roughly ten minutes later, Gene's phone rang. The caller was Mel, who had this to say: "WHO WAS THAT MADMAN YOU HAD IN YOUR HOUSE? I COULD HEAR THE YELLING ALL THE WAY OVER HERE. YOU SHOULD NEVER LET CRAZY PEOPLE INTO YOUR HOUSE, DON'T YOU KNOW THAT? THEY COULD BE DANGEROUS." That, as Gene later put it, was "Mel's way of apologizing."
Maybe two fights? Maybe a fight and a half?
...
Wilder conceived the "Puttin' on the Ritz" scene, while Mel Brooks was resistant to it as a mere "conceit," and felt it would detract from the fidelity to Universal horror films in the rest of the film. Wilder recalls being "close to rage and tears" and argued for the scene before Brooks stopped him and said, "It's in!" When Wilder asked why he had changed his mind, Brooks said that since Wilder had fought for it, then it would be the right thing to do. But it was only when he soon saw the musical number along with a howling audience that Brooks was finally confident about the sequence.

Wilder constantly cracked up during takes. According to Cloris Leachman, "He killed every take (with his laughter) and nothing was done about it!" Shots would frequently have to be repeated as many as fifteen times before Wilder could finally summon a straight face.

Gene Hackman learned about the film through his frequent tennis partner Wilder and requested a role, because he wanted to try comedy. Hackman ad-libbed The Blind Man's parting line "I was gonna make espresso." The scene immediately fades to black because the crew erupted into fits of laughter. Hackman was uncredited when the movie was originally released in theaters. (IMDb)

Happy Birthday, Gene Wilder!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 16, 2022, 11:41:32 AM
I need to go see the new "Top Gun: Maverick" movie, and I am sure my home town is going to love the movie as they build and test the planes out in the desert. I grew up watching top secret planes flying overhead.

Salute,

Tony V.

How did you know they were top secret planes flying overhead, if they were top secret planes?

Top Gun is bullshit. It was in the 80's, it is today. It's just glorifying the military in order to groom idiots to join it and go get killed.

Fuck Top Gun. Fuck that asshole Tom Cruise.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 16, 2022, 12:35:37 PM
Never got into Top Gun. I am not sure i ever even watched it all the way through. No interest at all in the sequel.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on June 16, 2022, 03:05:36 PM
Naked Gun and the two sequelae are great, however.

Quote
Well, when I see five weirdos dressed in togas stabbing a guy in the middle of the park in full view of 100 people, I shoot the bastards. That is my policy.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 29, 2022, 04:39:20 PM
I watched the documentary about Frank Capra...

https://youtu.be/JU6Ti9cqchc

He was such a great man, and a great director. I need to read his book eventually, and maybe a good movie could be made from his book about his life.

It is wonderful how Capra was able to share his love of America with the world, as an immigrant from Sicily. And Capra helped to shape the view that people around the world had of America, and also effected how Americans felt about themselves.

Here in California we have 11 million new immigrants who were born in other nations, and it is our duty to help them to form their view of America, and we need to remind ourselves of our own ideals, and the things that make America special, and the things that make life worth living. That is part of the duty of Hollywood is to do what Capra did and to remind us what makes life wonderful, and Capra reminded us of the power of decency.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on June 29, 2022, 04:58:04 PM
I watched the documentary about Frank Capra...

https://youtu.be/JU6Ti9cqchc

He was such a great man, and a great director. I need to read his book eventually, and maybe a good movie could be made from his book about his life.

It is wonderful how Capra was able to share his love of America with the world, as an immigrant from Sicily. And Capra helped to shape the view that people around the world had of America, and also effected how Americans felt about themselves.

Here in California we have 11 million new immigrants who were born in other nations, and it is our duty to help them to form their view of America, and we need to remind ourselves of our own ideals, and the things that make America special, and the things that make life worth living. That is part of the duty of Hollywood is to do what Capra did and to remind us what makes life wonderful, and Capra reminded us of the power of decency.

Salute,

Tony V.

I am glad I could help.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 29, 2022, 05:01:54 PM
I need to go see the new "Top Gun: Maverick" movie, and I am sure my home town is going to love the movie as they build and test the planes out in the desert. I grew up watching top secret planes flying overhead.

Salute,

Tony V.

How did you know they were top secret planes flying overhead, if they were top secret planes?

Top Gun is bullshit. It was in the 80's, it is today. It's just glorifying the military in order to groom idiots to join it and go get killed.

Fuck Top Gun. Fuck that asshole Tom Cruise.

In my town all of the parents worked on the Space Shuttles, and on top secret planes, so we all knew the names of the top secret planes as they flew over. One good movie about Edwards is "The Right Stuff" and it is about Edwards and Cape Canaveral and the Astronauts and guys like Chuck Yeager who broke the sound barrier. My family was friends with Pete Knight who was the fastest man alive, he flew faster than anyone else. We were always proud of the planes that our community built and tested, and stuff that my hometown built is a source of National pride such as the Shuttles and great planes, etc. ( Of note my Grandmother's Uncle helped to build the Spirit of Saint Louis which was also a source of National pride as the first plane to fly from New York to Paris. ) My hometown is proud to build the best aerospace and defense items in the world, including in the AV and also in China Lake, the desert builds the best defense items that we have.

Right now a new supersonic passenger plane is being developed by Lockheed, hopefully they build it in the desert and create jobs for the people in my hometown. There are a few ideas out there, whichever idea wins I hope they build the new planes in the desert.

And I still have not seen the new movie, and I was not a huge fan of the old one, and I was never a huge fan of Tom Cruise. But, I have a friend from Hollywood who cleaned houses with Cuba Gooding Jr, Brandy, back when they were both poor, and Brandy was so happy when Cuba won his Oscar, and she said it could not have happened to a nicer guy. Cuba won his first Oscar by working with Tom Cruise on "Jerry Maguire" and Tom helped to make Cuba a star. So Cuba went from cleaning houses in Hollywood, to winning an Oscar, thanks in part to Tom Cruise. So, Tom has done some good things.

And I thought that a jet fighter movie in IMAX would be fun, it would be even better in 3-D. I still might go see it.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 29, 2022, 05:03:39 PM
I watched the documentary about Frank Capra...

https://youtu.be/JU6Ti9cqchc

He was such a great man, and a great director. I need to read his book eventually, and maybe a good movie could be made from his book about his life.

It is wonderful how Capra was able to share his love of America with the world, as an immigrant from Sicily. And Capra helped to shape the view that people around the world had of America, and also effected how Americans felt about themselves.

Here in California we have 11 million new immigrants who were born in other nations, and it is our duty to help them to form their view of America, and we need to remind ourselves of our own ideals, and the things that make America special, and the things that make life worth living. That is part of the duty of Hollywood is to do what Capra did and to remind us what makes life wonderful, and Capra reminded us of the power of decency.

Salute,

Tony V.

I am glad I could help.

Thanks!

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 30, 2022, 10:41:08 AM
Fuck Top Gun. Fuck that asshole Tom Cruise.



Yeah - Tom has done so much to hurt society.


heh
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on June 30, 2022, 11:11:32 AM
Fuck Top Gun. Fuck that asshole Tom Cruise.



Yeah - Tom has done so much to hurt society.


heh

Ask his ex-wives about what a great guy he is.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 30, 2022, 03:57:15 PM
Ham prefers Alec Baldwin
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 07, 2022, 01:44:26 PM
RIP Sonny Corleone.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 07, 2022, 02:02:30 PM
RIP Sonny Corleone.

Brian Piccolo dies again: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v43lCrn1NQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_v43lCrn1NQ)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 07, 2022, 06:45:40 PM
Rest in peace James Caan.

My only experience meeting him was the day I learned how to surf, at Latigo Beach, James Caan was there with a pontoon boat which he used to go out into the ocean to fish, etc. A lot of stars hang out at Latigo Beach.

I also read that he lived at the Playboy Mansion with Hef, and he lived the Playboy party lifestyle with Hef.

James Caan had a good life, and there is no business like show business like no business I know.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 12, 2022, 02:37:19 PM
I follow Oliver Stone on Facebook, and he just posted that his team put everything onto You Tube for him, here in the link...

https://www.youtube.com/user/OfficialOliverStone/playlists

He is having a good life, him and his wife were in Italy hanging out with Francis Ford Coppola.

Oliver said that the 1930s were his favorite time for films, and maybe he would be a good person to make a movie about Frank Capra, Oliver is in the documentary, and I am sure Oliver could make a good movie about Capra.

Oliver wants everyone to watch "W" and he said that it is one of his favorite projects. I have not seen the film yet, and I intend to watch it. Maybe I will see if it is on Netflix. But, I really love George W. Bush, so we will see how Oliver shows him in the movie.

Oliver is one of my favorite living filmmakers, and that is my favorite thing about Facebook is that you get to follow some interesting people. ( I just need to be careful what I post on Facebook, and posting while drinking wine can be dangerous. They accused me of supporting terrorism, and they restricted my account, which is all bullshit, I do not support terrorism. I just need to be careful what I post on Facebook. )

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hamilton Samuels on July 12, 2022, 08:26:55 PM
Stone is a fraud. Always has been.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 20, 2022, 01:53:11 PM
Rob Zombie

1 hour

How the hell did everyone get the idea that The Munsters cost 40 million dollars? Fuck, I wish I had that kind of budget.

To put a little perspective on it all if you add up the budgets of Halloween 2, The Lords of Salem, 31, 3 From Hell and The Munsters all together it wouldn't even add up to 30 million.

Also the movie was never going to theaters or Peacock or Paramount. It was always being made for Netflix which is fine since it is the largest of the streaming services. This was done way before I ever got involved in the project. I have no control or say over this type of stuff. This is a Universal deal.

But the internet loves to invent rumors which somehow turns to facts so the fans can get all bent out of shape.

None of this actually matters but thought you might like the real story.

RZ

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Rob Zombie is great, he has done a lot with the opportunities that he was given. And he truly loves the business of making movies.

I look forward to watching the "Munsters" when it comes out.

Salute,

Tony V.



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 25, 2022, 03:13:27 PM
Rest in peace to Paul Sorvino, he was a good actor, and he was one of the few actors to attend the Anaheim Film Festival back in 2010, which was our only film festival, we were hoping to make the film festival an annual event but it did not happen, hopefully in the future an annual film festival can be established here.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 25, 2022, 03:57:25 PM
Also David.Warner who according to my less than conclusive research is the only person to drown on the Titanic twice.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 25, 2022, 04:09:51 PM
Also also Five East Pieces director and Monkees co-creator.Bob Rafelson is off to the great diner in the sky where they are happy to substitute toast.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on July 25, 2022, 08:22:46 PM
And lost his head (The Omen).
(https://i.postimg.cc/jDh3Jnjw/12345.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jDh3Jnjw)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 26, 2022, 01:01:53 PM
Versatile actor, and had lots of "evil" roles.  I remember the plate glass mishap in The Omen, but I somehow had Warner confused with the guy who ended up being pierced by a lightning rod that was knocked off a church spire.  The skewered one was a priest.  The lopped one, Warner, was a photographer.  The pretty one was dropped on a wrought iron fence by an evil nanny, or something like that.  IIRC, the Omen franchise followed a basic rule:  when the sequels decline far enough in quality, you hire Sam Neill for a starring role.  No, that's not quite fair - Neill was in The Piano, and it had no sequel. 

Not sure how Warner died twice on Titanic.  Would be interest on how that research pans out. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 26, 2022, 01:58:15 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.O.S._Titanic

Having never seen it (or met anyone who has) I can only assume from the plot description he drowns. It seems the type of movie where "two teachers start a shipboard romance" is going to end badly.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: josh on July 26, 2022, 10:24:47 PM
Versatile actor, and had lots of "evil" roles.  I remember the plate glass mishap in The Omen, but I somehow had Warner confused with the guy who ended up being pierced by a lightning rod that was knocked off a church spire.  The skewered one was a priest.  The lopped one, Warner, was a photographer.  The pretty one was dropped on a wrought iron fence by an evil nanny, or something like that.  IIRC, the Omen franchise followed a basic rule:  when the sequels decline far enough in quality, you hire Sam Neill for a starring role.  No, that's not quite fair - Neill was in The Piano, and it had no sequel. 

Not sure how Warner died twice on Titanic.  Would be interest on how that research pans out.

S.O.S. Titanic in 1979.

Then the more famous movie, almost two decades later.

Mind you, compared to Bernard Fox, that was almost the same year.

Fox was in A Night to Remember and then in Titanic, almost 40 years later!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on July 28, 2022, 08:23:41 AM
Versatile actor, and had lots of "evil" roles.  I remember the plate glass mishap in The Omen, but I somehow had Warner confused with the guy who ended up being pierced by a lightning rod that was knocked off a church spire.  The skewered one was a priest.  The lopped one, Warner, was a photographer.  The pretty one was dropped on a wrought iron fence by an evil nanny, or something like that.

Always a classic, the nanny calls out "Damien! Look, Damien -- it's all for you" (but don't quote me, I'm paraphrasing) before jumping off the window ledge and hanging herself while the over-the-top birthday party is going on below.  Though he was definitely not a hottie -- I was a teen at the time, so  shallowness -- I was struck by Warner's work in The Omen and really enjoyed him. Definitely one of the character actors deserving of a TMC featurette of 3-4 films.

I highly recommend, if even just for the trippy factor, catching the 1968 A Midsummer Night's Dream featuring Warner, Ians Holm and Richardson, and Dames Diana Rigg, Judi Dench, and Helen Mirren -- all very young and often scantily clad. Bonus: green body paint for all.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 28, 2022, 11:14:17 AM
I too was struggling to recall who was skewered, lopped, dropped, dangled.  I remembered dropped because if you kill off Lee Remick I take that very seriously.  Especially after her performance in Anatomy of a Murder.  The Omen is a classic, but suffered from sequelitis.

Thanks, Harr-, erm, Notyour. I remember seeing the 1968 AMNsD on PBS in my mid-teens and being enchanted.  Especially by Dame Helen.  I seem to recall her in a film production of As You Like It, from around that time, as well.  Also a bard play with forest hijinks so it's possible I'm conflating.
Whilst a scantily clad young Bilbo holds no real attraction to me.... Dame Helen was in a bunch of those BBC Shakespeares and always great. And fetching.

Did you think NYASP was me? It is not. I thought OCB.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on July 28, 2022, 07:58:01 PM
Not Hairy.  I was thinking Harrie Butz.  The vegetable report over in Garden was my clue.  That, and a certain style, suggested our former Nutmeg State regular.


You are not wrong.  Just remember that the outing-someone-based-on-their-writing-style sword cuts two ways, Bart -- er, sardine -- er, knox. 
(The whole vegetable report comment has me a little mystified, but so be it.)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 08, 2022, 05:08:24 PM
Rest in peace to Olivia Newton John. My only memory of her was that she was one of my neighbors when I lived in Malibu, and Olivia was friends with the lady who I rented a room from. At that time Princess Diana was going to buy a house next door to Olivia in Malibu with Dodi Fayed, and everyone was excited to have Princess Diana as a neighbor in Malibu. Then, Princess Diana died in a car crash and everyone in Malibu was sad. I never met Olivia but I know where her house was, and we lived in Malibu at the same time.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 09, 2022, 04:02:01 PM
Robert Redford is helping the Native American Indians to open a new movie studio in New Mexico, my Mother told me about it, I think that is great. Robert Redford is a great man, and it is wonderful that the Native American Indians have a voice now with their own movie studio.

I guess the studio that my Mother was telling me about is Camel Rock Studios.

https://www.facebook.com/camelrockstudios/

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 09, 2022, 06:40:02 PM
I have an idea for a television show based on a short story that I wrote titled "Progress" and it is about an Attorney in the Wild West, the railroad took their farm and forced them into poverty, two of the Brothers became train robbers, and they sent the other Brother to Law School. His name is Jimmy Corvalis, and he is smart with the Law and he is fast with a gun. He is like a mix between Clint Eastwood and Perry Mason. And to make it something that the Native American Indians would want to be involved with is that some of the characters in the television show can be Native American Indian characters and they can talk about Native American Issues in the time of the Wild West.

And for me, my ancestors were Cowboys and Native American Indians, I need to do my DNA test, but I am sure that I have both Cowboys and Indians in my family tree. When you tell the story of the Cowboys then you need to also include the story of the Indians, and some great shows can be shot at the new Indigenous peoples studio in New Mexico.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 09, 2022, 08:02:18 PM
A movie and television studio is like an imagination factory where you can turn your imagination into money. If you can create television shows, like Aaron Spelling did, then you get to have fun while you get extremely rich, and you can make your friends and family rich. If you can create new television shows and movies then you can have a fun and rich life.

I spent time on two Spelling shows, the day I auditioned for the AADA I spent the day hanging out on the set of "Beverly Hills 90210" and then on another day I got to hang out on the set of "Melrose Place" which was cool, both sets were fun sets.

Studios are places where you can turn your imagination into money, while you tell stories to the world, and people can have a voice with their movies and with their television shows.

They can make a lot of money at Camel Rock Studios, while at the same time they can enjoy having a voice.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 13, 2022, 12:03:51 PM
As a longtime holder of an opinion unpopular in these parts --  Lubitsch > Wilder -- I enjoyed this piece in The New Yorker (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/08/15/ernst-lubitsch-made-the-hollywood-comedy-sublime)on Ernst Lubitsch.  While the article doesn't go as far as I do with the Lubitsch love, it provides an interesting thumbnail of his works, including some collaborations with Wilder.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 13, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
Lubitsch > Wilder
Swine. You are dead to me.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 13, 2022, 01:47:25 PM
Makes a good case for Lubitsch as brilliant and a kind of cinematic paterfamilias, but I don't think that subtracts from Wilder's greatness (and greater range, thematically).  Everyone can use a good mentor. So I'm not ready for a toe tag yet. 

Do we need greater/less than equations at their level of genius?  And wouldn't Preston Sturges also get a spot in this corner of the pantheon?  (whose birth surname was Biden btw)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 13, 2022, 02:23:26 PM
Wilder admired Lubitsch.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7jOVRKzwURY
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 13, 2022, 03:12:04 PM
Wilder, of course, was aided by his life long partnership with the greatest screenwriter in Hollywood history.

FWlW, Lubitsch best movies also involved great writers, Wilder of course, Shakespere(ish) and Nora Ephron.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 13, 2022, 03:18:55 PM
Well, yes, perhaps I did make a stronger statement than intended via the use of a mathematical symbol. In my book, preferring one entity doesn't entirely negate one to which it is compared. 

It's indisputable that Wilder was a genius in film. Stalag 17 has a permanent spot on my Top 10; and a movie that is widely considered one of his lesser efforts will always be a sentimental favorite of mine. That being said, it is my opinion that Wilder seems to get all the love; and someone else who could be considered equally talented and innovative with regard to comedy and/or a cinematic forebear (again, re comedy) to Wilder might receive less attention and credit than he is due. Short story long, I admit that Wilder is probably all that, but maybe not all that and a bag of chips. (And personally, for as many Wilder films that are well thought of, I think there is a fair number of stinkers on his CV.)   To circle back to my original thought, I do think Lubitsch's contributions to film comedy are often overlooked.

Were Wilder the subject of the essay, I'd include Sturges in the comparison because they were working largely concurrently.  But Sturges becomes active in the industry when Lubitsch's career was tailing off.  Preston Sturges' first directing credit is in 1940 and writing in 1930 (though he was leading a pretty interesting life, so can't blame him for a late start), and Lubitsch died in 1947 with 75 directing credits.  Just my opinion, but Sturges and Lubitsch weren't really contemporaries in the industry, or were only for a figurative 5 minutes.  The two are closer in age to each other than either of them is to Wilder, and both died relatively young -- so they have that in common.

ETA: 

Yes, Lubitsch and Wilder were friends and collaborators. There's no Wilder v Lubitsch cage match in play or anything.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 13, 2022, 07:27:56 PM
Charles Brackett's description of work process with Wilder is amusing...

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The thing to do was suggest an idea, have it torn apart and despised. In a few days it would be apt to turn up, slightly changed, as Wilder s idea. Once I got adjusted to that way of working, our lives were simpler. 

NYASP, I agree about the forebear getting less credit.  Seems to be a common problem.  In relativity theory, Einstein hogs the popular history pages at the expense of Minkowski, Lorentz, and Poincare.  If I were to go and watch a Lubitsch film, what would you start with (if starting with is even meaningful)?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 13, 2022, 07:48:35 PM
Ninotchka. My second favorite movie of 1939.

To Be or Not to Be (Jack Benny version, not the Mel Brooks one) and You ve Got a Shop Around the Corner.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 13, 2022, 08:28:01 PM
Ninotchka. My second favorite movie of 1939.

To Be or Not to Be (Jack Benny version, not the Mel Brooks one) and You ve Got a Shop Around the Corner.

All good choices and textbook Lubitsch.  If you can get over Budapest native Jimmy Stewart's drawl in The Shop Around the Corner, it might be the most easily accessible, and you'll recognize the plot from about 50 different takes & remakes.  Plus the supporting cast is aces, IMO. 

Ninotchka is a classic with good reason; not quite flawless but dangerously close.   (Melvyn Douglas is all mine, by the way.)

To Be or Not to Be is a great satire and one of those films where I almost always notice something new with each viewing.  Plus Carole Lombard.

I might add Trouble in Paradise, mentioned in the The New Yorker piece.  Pickpockets, romance, faux romance, plot twists -- and comedy ensues.  Kay Francis is so often mocked, but she's perfect here IMO, and other casting is on target with stalwarts like Edward Everett Horton and C Aubrey Smith backing up the stunning Miriam Hopkins and Herbert Marshall. 

Also a fan of The Smiling Lieutenant and to a lesser degree The Merry Widow.  The former features both Claudette Colbert and Miriam Hopkins and may be worth a viewing for that alone.  Both pictures are frothy and whimsical, which works for me (let me tell you about Love Me Tonight, for example) but may not work for everyone. Also keep in mind that I have a high tolerance level for Maurice Chevalier, so proceed with caution.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 13, 2022, 09:19:24 PM
Wow...this is what film forums used to look like... slightly dizzy here. 

In Whiskey's video, Wilder defines the Lubitsch Touch in terms of how it manifests in The Smiling Lieutenant.  And I see dailymotion.com has it for free viewing.  (Have had no malware problems with it, but I think they get copyright sued now and then)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 13, 2022, 09:31:57 PM
Ninotchka. My second favorite movie of 1939.

To Be or Not to Be (Jack Benny version, not the Mel Brooks one) and You ve Got a Shop Around the Corner.

1939 was the Annus Mirabilis of movies, so hard to tell what was best.  Your first favorite was...Fark Victory?  Rules of the Game?  Jamaica Inn (JK)?

I see the typo but somehow can't bring myself to fix.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 13, 2022, 10:00:51 PM
Good lord, is there a GWTW fan in the house? Mr Smith? Stagecoach?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 13, 2022, 10:12:29 PM
Good lord, is there a GWTW fan in the house? Mr Smith? Stagecoach?
Love GWTW in movie terms but get caught in the despicable text. Never liked Capracorn. Which leaves... Monument Valley.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 13, 2022, 10:16:01 PM
Also very fond of the sequel, Destry Rides Again. Best Stewart movie of 1939. Never have seen the original Destry, which I believe was directed by the great Indian director O. P. Chandrashakur.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 13, 2022, 10:22:55 PM
Good lord, is there a GWTW fan in the house? Mr Smith? Stagecoach?

Sorta, yes and yes.  There is something so wonderfully optimistic about Mr Smith.  What happened to that guy?  Capra corn, indeed.  Watch your carbs.

Also. Bound of the Haskervilles, Hunchback of Notre Dame, and (not popular or much successful but somehow I yearn to see it again for its weird storyline and the Omaha prologue) Idiot's Delight. (Also has a rather Hitchcockian vertigo ish twist, which is fun)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 14, 2022, 01:25:56 AM
My Top 10 Billy Wilder movies, 7 of which are in my (Top 110):

1. Sunset Blvd (3)
2. The Apartment (14)
3. Some Like it Hot (23)
4. Are in the Hole (49)
5. Double Indemnity (61)
6. Ninotchka (62)
7. Stalag 17 (78)
8. Witness for the Prosecution
9. The Fortune Cookie
10. Lost Weekend

Also seen:

The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, which was ok and would have been better if they had let him gay it up like he wanted to.
One, Two, Three, which confused frenetic for funny.
Irma La Duce,.which was ok but bloated.
Spirit of St. Louis which also featured my favorite actor of all time, but was uninvolved.
Love in the Afternoon, which was meh.
Seven Year Itch, also meh.
The third best version of The Front Page.
Sabrina which despite having three of my favorite actors ever I dislike intensely.
And the abysmal Buddy Buddy.

Two notes: My Top 100 has burst at the seams. I need to kill some darlings.

I know he only co-wrote Ninotchka but I wanted a Top 10 that did not sacrifice quality.

Third, I do need to see more of his early work.

Is that more than two? OK!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 15, 2022, 12:04:28 PM
Lime,

It may be an understatement to say you are more organized in your film fandom than I am.  This is partly owing to a cognitive deficit wherein I have trouble ranking things.  Anywho, of those you mention I especially like (in no particular order of preference, of course)

Sunset Bvd
The Apartment
Ace in the Hole
 Double Indemnity
Ninotchka
Witness for the Prosecution

The others I haven't seen or, as in the case of Lost Weekend, saw them too young and remember too poorly.  Your Sabrina loathing is noted, and endorsed.  It doesn't speak well that I liked the chauffeur more than the A-list characters.  In truth, I remember little of it. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 15, 2022, 01:09:24 PM
"Better than the remake" is the most positive thing I can say about it. Well, that and I could look at Audrey Hepburn eyes and neck all day, every day.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 15, 2022, 07:20:07 PM
Also not a list maker here. 

1) Glaring lack of focus/attention span. 
2) Favorites are constantly moving up and down, so keeping things updated would -- well, see #1. 
3)  Many of my favorites are admittedly not great, sometimes not even good, films when measured by the movie rating yardstick. (My favorites might only need a ruler.)  It gets tiring being dragged because a movie I like isn't on the AFI list or otherwise conventionally considered high-ranking. 

The thing about Sunset Boulevard -- it's a fantastic movie, and I love so much about it.  But in eighth grade English class (creative writing unit) there was a spate of submissions written by dead narrators doing the basic flashback story with a twist.  The teacher stood at the front of the class, papers in hand, very annoyed, and semi-yelled "How are all these dead people telling stories?  They're DEAD!"  This echoes in my head while watching SB even though I know the answer is to get over it; everybody does it (especially in 8th grade creative writing class); and, it's Billy Effing Wilder so shut up and enjoy.

Sabrina is my sentimental favorite (that I know everybody hates) of the Wilder stable despite its many flaws, particularly that clunky post-somersault line by Holden "You do love her!" or whatever.  I usually make a point of being out of the room at that time.  From time to time I still try to imagine Lauren Bacall in that role (shudder).  You gentlemen may fight over Ms. Hepburn, I will take the dress.

(Throwing the grenade and running out of the room.)  I think The Apartment is overrated.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 15, 2022, 09:31:46 PM
In the interest of equal time, here's a partial list of my "must-watch if they're on" flicks in no particular order.  Fire at will.

Casablanca
One Way Passage
Gold Diggers of 1933
Night Nurse
Love Me Tonight
Top Hat
The Sure Thing
The Sea Hawk
How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying
Kiss Me Kate
42nd Street
Breaking Away
The Adventures of Robin Hood
The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
The Invisible Man
Here Comes Mr. Jordan/Heaven Can Wait
The Snapper
The Search
The Smiling Lieutenant
The Young Girls of Rochefort
Trouble in Paradise
Now, Voyager
That Thing You Do!
Dinner Rush
Goodfellas
Stardust  (2007)
Red River
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
The Van
The Wolf Man
The Landlord
12 Angry Men

ETA: Working Girl, While You Were Sleeping
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 15, 2022, 09:50:32 PM
....

(Throwing the grenade and running out of the room.)  I think The Apartment is overrated.


Har!  If Lime invites you on a ferris wheel ride, politely decline.

I enjoyed the eighth grade memoir, as it brought back vivid memories of English teachers berating us for gimmicky plot elements like that.  Although the dead narrator table was turned when we had to read Spoon River Anthology, with its couple hundred dead narrators.  That teacher, driven to defense, had to invoke poetic license.  I liked Alice Seybold's use of the device in The Lovely Bones. 

ETA - nice list but can someone explain to me why Umbrellas of Sheboygan keeps showing up on lists?  Aside from Michele LeGrands terrific music. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 15, 2022, 10:54:29 PM
I know we had to read Spoon River Anthology too, but seem to have wiped it from the memory banks. And I will not be making a point of re-reading it.

For me The Umbrellas of Cherbourg is about the doomed love of Ms. Deneuve and that guy (okay, Nino Castelnuovo).  It's soapy, a bit trashy, very predictable -- a total chick flick if I may throw that phrase around -- and knowing that, I still hang on every sung word.   I was not aware it shows up on lists with any regularity -- perhaps it's the novelty of all dialogue being sung?  The strangely vibrant set decoration? And Michel Legrand tunes never hurt. I really dunno.

In a more lighthearted way I also very much enjoy The Young Girls of Rochefort, another piece of the Jacques Demy trilogy.  The plot is ridiculous, but you kind of don't care -- or at least I don't -- and it's not completely about watching George Chakiris dance in white go-go boots.  This also may be the only time I can stand Gene Kelly on screen, unless I'm forgetting something.  I'm interested in checking out Lola, the other entry in said trilogy, but haven't yet had the opportunity to do so.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 15, 2022, 11:48:10 PM
Also not a list maker here. 

1) Glaring lack of focus/attention span. 
2) Favorites are constantly moving up and down, so keeping things updated would -- well, see #1. 
3)  Many of my favorites are admittedly not great, sometimes not even good, films when measured by the movie rating yardstick. (My favorites might only need a ruler.)  It gets tiring being dragged because a movie I like isn't on the AFI list or otherwise conventionally considered high-ranking. 

The thing about Sunset Boulevard -- it's a fantastic movie, and I love so much about it.  But in eighth grade English class (creative writing unit) there was a spate of submissions written by dead narrators doing the basic flashback story with a twist.  The teacher stood at the front of the class, papers in hand, very annoyed, and semi-yelled "How are all these dead people telling stories?  They're DEAD!"  This echoes in my head while watching SB even though I know the answer is to get over it; everybody does it (especially in 8th grade creative writing class); and, it's Billy Effing Wilder so shut up and enjoy.

Sabrina is my sentimental favorite (that I know everybody hates) of the Wilder stable despite its many flaws, particularly that clunky post-somersault line by Holden "You do love her!" or whatever.  I usually make a point of being out of the room at that time.  From time to time I still try to imagine Lauren Bacall in that role (shudder).  You gentlemen may fight over Ms. Hepburn, I will take the dress.

(Throwing the grenade and running out of the room.)  I think The Apartment is overrated.
If you were not already dead to me you would.be dead.to me.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 16, 2022, 08:01:51 AM
If you were not already dead to me you would.be dead.to me.

Hmm. Maybe I can narrate an excellent movie!


(I didn't say The Apartment is bad, just that its praises may have been sung (IMO) to excess, especially semi-recently in the media. No personal insult intended.)
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2022, 12:17:24 PM
It is not like I was serious about that.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2022, 12:21:25 PM
It gets tiring being dragged because a movie I like isn't on the AFI list or otherwise conventionally considered high-ranking. 
Actually, on certain, oh, say excessively orbed film forums you are more likely to be dogged because a movie you like IS on the AFI list.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 16, 2022, 04:14:35 PM
Wolfgang Petersen,.director of one of.the greatest, most intense war movies ever, Das Boot, has died at 81.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 16, 2022, 07:52:40 PM
It gets tiring being dragged because a movie I like isn't on the AFI list or otherwise conventionally considered high-ranking. 
Actually, on certain, oh, say excessively orbed film forums you are more likely to be dogged because a movie you like IS on the AFI list.

Fair point.

Wolfgang Petersen,.director of one of.the greatest, most intense war movies ever, Das Boot, has died at 81.

A very interesting man, (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/wolfgang-petersen-dead-das-boot-1235200006/) influenced in particular by High Noon to become a director.   He also directed Enemy Mine, which I found to be a pleasant surprise.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: LarryBnDC on August 18, 2022, 08:29:30 PM
The USS Indianapolis scene in Jaws

https://scriptmag.com/features/spielberg-reveals-the-definitive-word-on-the-jaws-uss-indianapolis-speech
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 18, 2022, 10:00:18 PM
Eh, never mind.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 19, 2022, 10:55:41 AM
Will get back to the question of who wrote the Shaw monologue, but we found what appears to be a human tibia in our yard, so may be a bit busy today.  Am sending pics to a paleontologist friend, and hoping it's not what it looks like.

Re-viewed Ninotchka last night - spouse, who had not seen it, loved it, as did I.  It is nearly perfect, as others noted.  And amazingly fresh. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 19, 2022, 01:27:47 PM
OK, looks like a wait on that bone analysis, will report back on that.  Where's Tempe Brennan when you need her? 

I tried to find the interview where someone was saying it was really Robert Shaw (a successful novelist and playwright, as well as actor) who had written most of the Indianapolis monologue, fleshing out material from Howard Sackler and Milius.  But I will take Spielberg's statement as definitive, that it was Milius who produced the longer version, which Shaw then edited down and read/performed for the team who were then "my god, that's what we want to shoot."

Anyway, sorry for the digression, which is a spillover from a shark-based digression over in the National News/Biden thread. 



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 19, 2022, 01:29:24 PM
The last mass trials have been a great success. There are going to be fewer but better Russians.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 19, 2022, 05:57:26 PM
...but we found what appears to be a human tibia in our yard, so may be a bit busy today. 

Anyone we know? 

Were you maybe thinking of this (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/jaws-debate-over-who-wrote-uss-indianapolis-speech-1235168476/) with regard to the Indianapolis speech?   Carl Gottlieb gives a lot of credit to Shaw for the final product and recalls that Spielberg passed the original work by Sackler around to a lot of associates looking for opinions. Gottlieb maintains that Spielberg's friendship with Milius colors his recollection; so even assuming Spielberg as director has the final word, it's an interesting thought. 

Then again, consider Gottlieb is a writer -- he could either have a more even-handed view of the process, having been a part of it, or he could have an axe to grind if, for example, he personally disliked Milius or something.  Love a good debate. 


The world was blessed with one Shirley Schrift 102 years ago yesterday, and TCM made her Star of the Day.  One of the films offered was Meet Danny Wilson (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0044893/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_129), a fairly rare find starring Frank Sinatra as a young singer whose career takes off once he makes a deal with a mobster.  Like that ever really happens! /s   Good thing I recorded it, as my close personal friend insomnia let me down.   But looking forward to checking it out.  Ms Schrift dished a bit on Sinatra in one of her books -- she considered him a bit of a jerk. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on August 21, 2022, 07:08:28 AM
Meet Danny Wilson is unintentionally funny in places and wraps up in a very corny way, but it is not a total throwaway.  Made and released while Sinatra's career was slumping, this film mirrors his situation in that a mobster backs Danny Wilson (Sinatra) and his partner Mike (Alex Nicol) for a hefty percentage of their income, to be collected at an undetermined future date.

I think it's not even speculated any more that the Johnny Fontane storyline in The Godfather is based on how Sinatra got his part in From Here to Eternity (minus the horse head, thank whomever) and there's the legend of Tommy Dorsey releasing Sinatra from a contract immediately after a gun barrel was removed from his mouth.  So I found it interesting that art imitated life imitated life imitated art -- chicken, egg, I dunno, it all kind of folds together.

Also in the works:  Danny (Sinatra) loves Joy (Shelley Winters). Joy loves Mike.  Mobster guy (Raymond Burr) wants Joy.  Good guy Mike dutifully fends off Joy. Love stinks!

Burr tries playing the mobster with quiet menace, and he gets the quiet part down but not so much the menace. The movie's climax is one of the least suspenseful chase sequences ever filmed and ends ridiculously; and the denouement, in which Joy and Mike get together with Danny's blessing, is admittedly hokey.

That being said, Meet Danny Wilson wasn't a complete waste of time.  Performances by Sinatra and Winters were solid, and Winters can carry a tune surprisingly well (as does Sinatra).  In addition to the performances, i enjoyed if for the "holy crap, Frank Sinatra is playing Frank Sinatra in The Frank Sinatra story" factor -- right down to his singing to swooning bobbysoxers --  plus some laughs at the film's expense. I enjoy schlock so just laughed at a few things rather than get pissed at the direction that was sometimes taken.

Fun fact:  A hospital scene was scrapped when Sinatra angered Winters to the point she bonked him on the head with a bedpan. If I didn't already love her, that would have sealed the deal.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 21, 2022, 11:50:48 AM
As my post in National explained...

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Haven't been able to access this website.  Finally turned off a bunch of security settings and it let me in, but I dont want to leave my tablet open to hacks and malware for long, so am hoping Liquidsilver can fix this.  Work computer doesnt seem to have a problem as much, so it may be a thing where Android devices and EfElba arent handshaking.
 

I have to be brief, so: yes, Shelley Winters nee Schrift is great, and the world is a poorer place if the bedpan bonk take has been lost on a cutting room floor.  And what a pity that Raymond Burr couldn't bring his Rear Window quiet menace to his role in Meet Dennis Wilson.  Er, Danny Wilson.  Dennis Wilson, gosh, that would have been quite a different movie especially when Wilson was in his Charles Manson buddy phase.

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Post by: Holly Martins on August 21, 2022, 11:53:04 AM
Still no news on the backyard bone.  The fact that I didn't get a quick email fired back with "it's a soup bone, dummy" is increasing my apprehension a little. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on August 30, 2022, 03:35:23 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/30/tomatoes-highway-chaos-california-truck-crash

We've all seen the movie, right?
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Post by: LarryBnDC on September 02, 2022, 05:48:17 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/aug/30/tomatoes-highway-chaos-california-truck-crash

We've all seen the movie, right?
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Post by: Hairy Lime on September 02, 2022, 07:09:50 PM
To circle back to last week, I rewatched Witness for the Prosecution for the first time in probably 30 years. Mysteries usually do not bear re-watching for their story, of course. But damn I would watch it again for Charles Laughton.
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Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on September 02, 2022, 09:12:07 PM
I'd watch just about anything again for Laughton -- he was freakin' amazing in front of and behind the camera (having seen half of his directorial efforts, I must be an authority). 
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Post by: Holly Martins on September 09, 2022, 12:40:38 PM
I became fan as a teen, watching The Private Life of King Henry VIII, and the dining scene where he laments the decline of good manners while his mouth is crammed with chicken, slurping, belching, and tossing the bones over his shoulder.  Wit for the Pros is also a favorite.  More a favorite than either Hunchback or Mutiny on the B.  Jamaica Inn seemed like kind of a misfire, for all concerned.  IIRC, Hitchcock said he didnt direct it so much as referee it.  It is fairly ridiculous, plotwise, and Laughton cannot save it. 
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Post by: NotYourAverageSockPuppet on September 10, 2022, 08:23:57 AM
The very interesting Marsha Hunt has passed at 104.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/marsha-hunt-dead-blacklisted-actress-1235216286/

I was aware of her for being on the "oldest movie stars still alive" types of lists and did know of her anti-HUAC activities and subsequent blacklisting, but wasn't aware of her humanitarian work nor how many different times and ways she took on the Hollywood system.  Thank you and RIP, Ms. Hunt.
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Post by: Hairy Lime on September 13, 2022, 12:42:31 PM
Glass Onion is getting good reviews. I was worried that it would fall way short of Knives Out, but early word is it is at least in the ball park. I am getting a Last of Sheila vibe from the plot. Which makes this as good a time.as any to mention that I laughed harder at a scene in TLoS than I have at any mystery movie outside of KO. Spoiler - the killer, alone with the person who has figured out the mystery, dons a pair of absurdly elaborate hand puppets, purchased earlier in the movie, preparing to strangle the other person, who looks at the puppets quizzically.  The killer shrugs and says, I forgot to bring gloves.

Anyway , I assume the success of KO is what gives us See How They Run, and perhaps Amsterdam.
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Post by: Hairy Lime on September 13, 2022, 01:09:09 PM
Goddard kicked the bucket. And I tried to choose a phrase that embraced agency in the event.

I loved Breathless - which in France for some reason is About a souffle, for some reason. I do not recall even seeing a souffle in it. False advertising, like with Snatch.

I expect that joke to fall flat.
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Post by: Holly Martins on September 13, 2022, 08:15:28 PM
It had a familiar meringue to it!

Never saw The last of Sheila.  Which Rian J said inspired him to KO.  Looking it up.
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Post by: Holly Martins on September 13, 2022, 08:16:42 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/13/jean-luc-godard-chose-to-end-life-through-assisted-dying-lawyer-confirms

Hw died at the hands of the Swiss!
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Post by: Hairy Lime on September 14, 2022, 12:06:09 AM
It had a familiar meringue to it!

Never saw The last of Sheila.  Which Rian J said inspired him to KO.  Looking it up.
An interesting written by credit.
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Post by: Holly Martins on September 14, 2022, 12:03:55 PM
Yeah.  Didn't know about Sondheim's work away from Broadway. 

Another thought on "Breathless."  It's a terrible translation of the French phrase which means literally "At the end of breath*," which becomes a double-entendre because it can mean both "out of breath" and "taking one's last breath." 

* "A bout de temps" for example, means "At the end of time."  It does not means "About the temperatures."



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 14, 2022, 03:00:14 PM
Yeah.  Didn't know about Sondheim's work away from Broadway. 

Also Norman Bates. Apparently it grew out of one of their party games.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on September 15, 2022, 12:49:03 PM
Bit of a swerve, but rewatched Lost Highway, after nearly 25 years, and still found it a pretentiously arty and incoherent piece of pseudo-noir crap.  I'm reminded of Robert Blake in an interview saying basically, "I never had any idea what the script was about."  You have plenty of company, Robert.  There is the feeling that David Lynch is, again, showing us some of the weird obsessive topography of his subconscious without bothering to make any of it....conscious.  There is no real engagement with any of the characters or whatever point there might be to them.  No light is cast, just alienated shadows.  Not even Patti Arquette, at her most sexy (arguably owner at the time of the world's prettiest mouth), can find some consistent thread of meaning or personality that might suggest why she finds herself in the bizarre relationships she does, let alone determining if Bill Pullman and Balthasar Getty are the same person in different universes or timelines or some surreal Mobius strip that is taped together at the line "Dick Laurent is dead." 

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Post by: Oiled on September 29, 2022, 01:06:55 PM
"I Came By," a British Netflix film, has some nice Hitchcockian touches and white-knuckle suspense beats, but hurries through its story issues in order to fit it all into a film.  Maybe a four-part limited series would have allowed space to develop the characters a bit more.  I tend to associate Hugh Bonneville with fairly benign characters, so it was an interesting shift  to see him explore the darkness.  A couple parallels with "Rear Window" serve to make clear the debt to Hitchcock, and also how problematic the pacing was. 
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Post by: Oiled on October 03, 2022, 12:52:05 PM
"Father Stu" lets Mark Wahlberg shine as an uncouth roughneck who becomes a Catholic priest.  It's your standard diamond in the rough movie, but with an interesting angle, and exploration of the intersection of religion and the individual spiritual journey.  Mel Gibson, as the father (of Wahlberg), appears to draw on his own offscreen stumbles and struggle for redemption, to show us a man burdened with guilt and pain.   

I suspect the Academy will like Wahlberg enough for a nomination, and his infirmity in the final act (a neurological disease similar to Gehrig's) might push some inclusiveness buttons with members.
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Post by: Holly Martins on October 09, 2022, 11:25:22 AM
Another film in the false imprisonment in a home dungeon genre is "Inheritance," with Simon Pegg and Lily Collins.  Unconvincing and with poorly drawn characters (except Pegg, who is a fine actor that can make cheese interesting), it made me want to watch The Secret in their Eyes, the masterful and mesmerizing Argentine film which "Inheritance" borrows from, again.  (The American remake, also titled TSitE, was skippable)

ETA - it's never a good sign when you start rooting for the psychopath.  And Lily Collins is simply miscast as the Manhattan DA. 
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Post by: Holly Martins on October 11, 2022, 12:25:32 AM
Finally saw Der Urlaub von Herr Bohne.  Atkinson really spreads his Keatonesque wings and takes flight.  Also liked the Willem Dafoe movie-within-a-movie, "Playback Time," and the general level of disrespect that is shown to the pretenses of Cannes.  Throw in Madame Butterfly, a chicken pursuit, and relentless chaos and hazard through which some unfathomable God watches over Bean and cherishes his unhinged joie de vivre.

A little sad because, next viewing, I won't quite recapture the helpless laughter and wiping of eyes that the first one delivered.  I'm sure there's a line in Playback Time that captures this bittersweet feeling...

What is life but a teardrop in the eye of infinity?   
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Post by: Hairy Lime on October 11, 2022, 03:32:54 PM
RIP to Mrs. Johnny Iselin, one.of the greatest villains in movie history.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ZnaRMhD_A
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Post by: Holly Martins on October 11, 2022, 08:20:14 PM
Angela Lansbury is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being....

Age 96 seems to be a tough year for outstanding British women.  First, Liz Windsor, now AL.

And let me be clear on one thing:. Fuck the Academy.  Lansbury earned that Oscar, and giving it to Duke was a crime.
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Post by: Holly Martins on October 26, 2022, 08:59:36 PM
The 2022 Australian psychological thriller, The Stranger, is one of the best films of the year, and a fascinating and haunting study of the Mr. Big procedure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Big_(police_procedure)

It is flawless in pacing, dialog, sets, understated performances and masterful control of the emotional tension that offers gritty realism about the undercover life. 

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Post by: Holly Martins on November 02, 2022, 11:52:35 AM
"Inside Man," the new miniseries (really just a long movie cut into four parts) from Stephen Moffat, started out looking like Stanley Tucci doing a compelling variation on the Hannibal Lecter theme (imprisoned genius helps solve crimes), but despite some good turns from cast like David Tennant ("I'm a fucking vicar!"), couldn't quite decide if it was a black comedy or a more serious attempt to make some observations about human nature and our true selves.  By the end, the comic moments seem sprinkled in rather than integral to the story, and it all unravels into preposterousness.  And a deeply silly deus ex machina from a random garbage truck.  Suspense, done properly, has us caring about at least one of the characters.  To see that caring, established well enough in the first hour, pissed away in the next three is disappointing. 

The post-credits scene would seem to set up another possible chapter, which one can hope will iron out some of these problems and give Mr. Tucci more room to illuminate the darker corners of human nature.  I wouldn't mind seeing more of the actress who plays the Clarice Starling character, a young journalist at war with her own disgust for the man she is trying to profile. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Holly Martins on November 03, 2022, 06:34:07 PM
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....But, it turns out, the maps dont actually correspond to the alleged data. In one case, a map supposedly showing Atlanta was actually a stock photo of Moscow...   

https://www.npr.org/2022/11/03/1133686674/how-documentary-style-films-turn-conspiracy-theories-into-a-call-to-action

You can fool some of the people some of the time and this is one way to do that.
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Post by: Oiled on November 13, 2022, 10:45:35 AM
Fun to see The Big Sleep again with the spouse (who had read the book but not viewed the movie).  Not sure if any actor has more perfectly embodied a character than Bogie as Marlowe. 
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Post by: Oiled on November 13, 2022, 01:37:08 PM
Inspiration for Tom Hanks role dies.

https://apnews.com/article/mehran-karimi-nasseri-the-terminal-dies-in-paris-airport-d13124fc1f2f1c3d3c3609904373573b

I hadn't realized the area where Nasseri had to stay was windowless.  That makes it my definition of Hell.

  A man of existential courage.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on November 28, 2022, 01:07:33 PM
Anyone like Where the Crawdads Sing?  The end twist had logic problems but can't deny the actress made Marsh Girl a memorable role. 
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Post by: FlyingVProd on November 30, 2022, 01:52:02 PM
I watched the movie "Elvis" with my Mother during the Thanksgiving holiday, and Austin Butler who played Elvis is from here in Anaheim. Maybe Austin Butler can help to bring the Entertainment Industry to Anaheim, and we have the Chapman film school which is the number 4 rated film school in the world. Anaheim needs to have a film and television studio and there needs to be Entertainment Industry jobs here. Maybe Austin Butler can use his fame to help to bring the Entertainment Industry to Anaheim. Austin did a great job in the movie "Elvis" and he is a huge star now, maybe he can use his fame to help to bring Entertainment Industry jobs to Anaheim.

We also watched "W." which was made by Oliver Stone, it is a great movie with great casting and great acting. I would love to work with Oliver Stone someday.

Salute,

Tony V.
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Post by: FlyingVProd on November 30, 2022, 02:55:31 PM
Maybe Austin Butler will star in my movie that I helped to write, I wrote it with the help of a college professor in Texas who I met on the web, I think he died a while back. My movie is "Echo, A Rock and Roll Tragedy" and the lead is a woman with the male as being the supporting star. The woman is the number one porn star in the world, but she has a lot of problems, and her boyfriend from childhood who is a Rock and Roll Disc Jockey like a young Jim Ladd comes back into her life, and he tries to save her, but this movie is a tragedy and there are no happy endings with this movie. If Austin Butler stars in my movie then he needs to grow his hair long, the movie takes place on March 30, 1981, in Hollywood, and so he needs to look like a Rock and Roll Disc Jockey in Hollywood in 1981.

I had the money to make my movie a long time ago, Hugh Hefner liked my script, and he was going to put up the money if someone he knew and trusted would direct it, so I picked Oliver Stone based on his work on "The Doors" starring Val Kilmer, but sadly Oliver turned me down, and then Hef backed out. I almost succeeded, it was a miracle that I made it as far as I did. But, I did not make it, and that was 22 years ago.

But, I still have my script, and Austin Butler is from here in Anaheim, maybe Austin will want to star in it, and maybe he can help to get it made.

In the old days I simply faxed my script to Hef, and to Oliver Stone, it was easy back then. Now I need to have a $3,000 computer that I do not even know how to use and which needs new programs to be the industry standard programs. I need helpers on the issue of this computer. I wish I could just use a simple old fax machine like in the old days.

I had beginner's luck when I first started, Hef was the first person who I went to in order to get the money to make my movie, and Hef liked my script and he was going to put up the money. I did not make it, but I almost made it. And I did it all without an agent, and without any help. My only helper was a college professor on the web in Texas who helped me to write the script.

And one thing that I have learned is never to let ones enemies define a person, and do not listen to all of the people who tell one that one cannot achieve goals in life.

I still have my script, and it is still a great script. Eventually I will get my movie made, and it will be a huge hit.

Salute,

Tony V.
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Post by: Hairy Lime on November 30, 2022, 04:27:56 PM
My movie is "Echo, A Rock and Roll Tragedy" and the lead is a woman with the male as being the supporting star. The woman is the number one porn star in the world, but she has a lot of problems....
"But?"
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on November 30, 2022, 08:13:51 PM
Anaheim needs to have a film and television studio and there needs to be Entertainment Industry jobs here...

Salute,

Tony V.

There is a glaring shortage of film and tv studios in greater Los Angeles.  I guess the nearest metro with an entertainment industry would be, what, Vancouver? 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 01, 2022, 02:33:37 PM
Anaheim needs to have a film and television studio and there needs to be Entertainment Industry jobs here...

Salute,

Tony V.

There is a glaring shortage of film and tv studios in greater Los Angeles.  I guess the nearest metro with an entertainment industry would be, what, Vancouver?

My favorite existing studio here is Universal, in Universal City, I worked there when Lew Wasserman was the boss, and we had Ron Howard and Steven Spielberg on our team, the only bad thing at that time was that the studio was owned by the Japanese and the Japanese wanted for everyone to work for minimum wage. The Japanese did not understand that Los Angeles is an expensive place to live and when they pay everyone minimum wage then that means that all of the workers starve, people cannot afford rent, and food, etc. Now Universal is owned by Americans, and I bet Universal pays the workers more money now that Americans own the studio again. And we have a subway now that goes right to Universal, I simply ride the Metrolink train from Fullerton to Los Angeles ( I live in Anaheim, but I am right on the border with Fullerton ) and then I can ride the subway from Los Angeles to Universal City, it is easy, but after I get my movie made I will take a limousine.

Disney has a studio in Burbank, plus they use Occidental Studios in East Hollywood, etc.

The Japanese still own Sony Studios in Culver City, it used to be owned by Lucy, Lucy was the one who built that studio up. I would like to see Americans buy the studio back. Or if the Japanese can buy a studio, then why not the Italians? I would rather work for the Italians. I can tell Berlusconi to bring his buddies to Hollywood to open a new Italian owned studio in Hollywood. Or the French, the French need a studio in Hollywood.

Paramount does not do anything to help their community, the area around Paramount is a poor dump and the studio just has a barbed wire fence around the studio, it sucks, Paramount should become a good part of their community and they need to hire the people from the neighborhood around the studio to work at the studio for good high wages. The people from that neighborhood can all go to film school and they can go to work at Paramount. Paramount needs to improve relations with the neighborhood around the studio.

The Chapman film school has their own studio I guess, I need to go there and see the film school and get help, and I can also volunteer to act in student films, etc.

And people film in the desert on location, and in Santa Clarita, and in Agua Dulce.

Meanwhile, it would be great to have a studio in Anaheim, and we have a lot of people who live here who work in the Entertainment Industry. And I saw Hugh Laurie at the market, etc. We have some cool stars who live here. And Austin Butler is from Anaheim. Gwen Stefani is also from Anaheim.

We have some studios, but we need more, and we need to have a great studio here in Anaheim. And we are blessed to have good schools, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 01, 2022, 04:46:56 PM
Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles is officially the greatest movie ever.

https://www.indiewire.com/2022/12/sight-and-sound-best-films-of-all-time-poll-2022-results-1234786615/
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Post by: Oiled on December 01, 2022, 06:29:11 PM
Sounds like a double feature with Cleo 5-7.  A really long double feature.

Have you seen JD23QdC?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 03, 2022, 03:39:15 PM
https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/12/02/cocaine-bear-trailer-moos-cprog-orig-bdk.cnn

Pablo Esco-bear?

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 10, 2022, 11:25:42 AM
I had forgotten how dark the musical version of A Christmas Carol got. I suspect they edit our Scrooge in Hell when they too rarely broadcast it.

I had also forgotten Alec Guinness played Marley s Ghost.
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Post by: Oiled on December 10, 2022, 12:20:41 PM
Do you mean the musical adaptation called Scrooge with Albert Finney?  They should run that more often.   For nonmusical, I find the Alistair Sim Scrooge hard to beat. 

Oliver! and Scrooge were made a couple years apart...why didn't they keep going and turn all of Dickens oeuvre into musicals? 

Bleak House!  The unforgettable song Your mother, Esther, is your disgrace, and you were hers"   

(BTW the Alan Menken musical is the ACC that retains the Dickens title, IIRC. )
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 17, 2022, 11:26:52 AM
The recent Norwegian film "Troll" is one of those cheesy but fun romps in fantasy-meets-modern-world that barely needs subtitles.  WYSIWYG, as they say.  Oslo's take on Godzilla, with the usual ecological message.  We also get to visit the Hall of the Mountain King, which the end crawl soundtrack scores in the obvious way.  But they do resist a blitz-grieg of Grieg. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 19, 2022, 12:27:15 PM
Do you mean the musical adaptation called Scrooge with Albert Finney?  They should run that more often.   For nonmusical, I find the Alistair Sim Scrooge hard to beat. 

Oliver! and Scrooge were made a couple years apart...why didn't they keep going and turn all of Dickens oeuvre into musicals? 

Bleak House!  The unforgettable song Your mother, Esther, is your disgrace, and you were hers"   
The real highlight was Krook the rag dealer doing a cover of Springsteen s I m on Fire.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 20, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Haha!  Both the applause and the combustion was spontaneous.

The theatrical release of Glass Onion ABBM was apparently both brief and limited.  Too bad, I wanted to see it in theater but it didn't appear here.  So it's a small screen viewing on Friday, looks like. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 27, 2022, 11:01:07 AM
Theyre fuckin kidding me right?

https://allblk.tv/
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Post by: Oiled on December 27, 2022, 11:26:28 AM
Glass Onion is an enjoyable satiric poke at the billionaire ego, as Ed Norton delivers amoral kookiness channeling a Zuckerbergian fool who eventually gets what he deserves.  The end has a small problem of character/legal logic, which is nothing fatal to a fun romp in celebrity shallowness, but which I might mention later when it doesn't spoiler the thread.  Kate Hudson drolly channels her famous mother, which will be noticed only by audience members of a certain age.  Daniel Craig is, once again, a shot of southern comfort with his Foghorn Leghorn/Sherlock Holmes hybrid. (Reportedly, Craig based his accent and delivery on the historian Shelby Foote)
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Post by: Hairy Lime on December 27, 2022, 09:37:56 PM
You would have thought as observant a detective as Benoit Blanc would have recognized Trooper Wagner even in deep cover.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 28, 2022, 01:13:09 PM
And that is why I like to see movies on the big screen, or a large enough screen to clearly distinguish the features of the slacker stoner who lives on Miles Bron's estate.  I thought he looked familiar, but was clustered with familials around a smallish screen.  Darryl was a nice recurring gag. 



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 28, 2022, 01:53:14 PM
And that is why I like to see movies on the big screen, or a large enough screen to clearly distinguish the features of the slacker stoner who lives on Miles Bron's estate.  I thought he looked familiar, but was clustered with familials around a smallish screen.  Darryl was a nice recurring gag.
Well, Segan has been in every Rian Johnson movie, so I was looking for him. Joseph Gordon Levitt has also been in every Johnson film, though in Glass Onion, only his dong makes an appearance.

I did not like it as much as Knives Out but is was fun and I may rewatch. It did have some moments that cracked me up, like Jonelle Monaes solution to the puzzle box although I am a little unsure of who the character was, and yes Kate Hudson chanelling her mother. Loved the Serena Williams cameo, including the little KO call back in the book she was reading. And Blanc playing the on line mystery game with Jessica Fletcher, the screenwriter for The Last of Sheila, a Russian Doll and someone i never realized until I Googled it had cowritten several mystery novels. But the reveal seemed way too long and unfocused, especially compared to Knives Out's hilarious solution speech, and the social criticism more blunt and one sided. Monae was great but not quite Ana de Amas.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 28, 2022, 06:24:54 PM
Well, Segan has been in every Rian Johnson movie, so I was looking for him. Joseph Gordon Levitt has also been in every Johnson film, though in Glass Onion, only his dong makes an appearance....

Snicker. 

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did not like it as much as Knives Out

For sure, a lesser work.  And agree the social criticism lacking finesse.  And felt a little swamped by the many showbiz culture jokes...like the Jared Leto kombucha that's alcoholic or the Jeremy Renner hot sauce...I suspect there's no real in joke there. 


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It did have some moments that cracked me up, like Jonelle Monaes solution to the puzzle box although I am a little unsure of who the character was,....

Helen only finds the invite when she is cleaning out Andi's place.  It is Andi who, yes hilariously, engages in the equivalent of solving a Rubik's Cube with pliers. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on December 31, 2022, 04:23:42 PM
No, it was Helen. She told Blanc she was cleaning out Andis house when the box came. She was wearing a turban when she solved the puzzle box, which hid her hair.

Better on a rewatch, if only because one characters complete idiocy plays out in that characters facial expressions so clearly.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 01, 2023, 12:04:43 PM
Yep, I had the timeline skewed. 

Wonder if Hugh Grant will become a regular in the franchise, as BBs boyfriend.  Or continue to cameo anyway.

And will KO 3 in any way reference a world that is Mona Lisa less.  They are all planned to be standalone films, from what I've heard, so maybe not. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 03, 2023, 04:12:37 PM
Somewhat relatedly, I just realized I have a Jude Law or Michael Fassbender issue with Catherine Keener and Kathryn Hahn.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 04, 2023, 12:45:37 PM
They seem somewhat interchangeable.   Keener could have easily played Hahn's role in Captain Fantastic.

FWiW, I once confused Hahn and Idina Menzel, thinking Hahn had been in the cast of "Rent". 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2023, 11:24:27 AM
Made a sort of mystery double header. Matched my 3rd Glass Onion viewing with my first complete watch of the third version of Death on the Nile I have seen. Rian Johnson is much better at this sort of thing then Branagh.  I did not mind some of the changes to the characters, and some were a definite improvement, but my whole biggest problem with the Branagh Poirot movies can be summed up by this: he reunited Dawn French and Jennifer Saunders and gave them absolutely nothing funny to do. His Poirot is dull and not as fun as a Christie should be. He needs to lean into the absurdity of it all, and he just does not. Also, as someone else has pointed out. Death on the Nile takes over an hour to Death. The story has a lot of necessary set up, but 10 minutes on an origin story for Poirot s mustache is not by any definition necessary.

I saw his next is going to be a version of Halloween Party set in Venice. Since that one has Ariadne Oliver in it, easily the greatest of Poirot assistants (and Agatha Christie doing a mocking self portrait) the botching of the potentially absolutely fabulous French and Saunders pairing makes me despair for that character. Even if she is played (according to rumor) by Tina Fey. Making her American is, well, very odd as is setting a closed circle mystery in Venice, but making her unfunny would be inexcusable. She does not have to be Zoe Wanamaker funny, just not dull.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 10, 2023, 01:56:22 PM
"set in Venice"

My Christie-loving wife's head nearly exploded.  Who then treated me to a well informed rant on the travesties Branagh is making, the failure to capture Christie's characters in proper context of time and location, the monstrous mismatch of Halloween Party and Venice, etc. 

The rotting but loved paperback she just plopped in my lap is, I see, dedicated to the well known Venetian author PG Wodehouse.

I won't share the full exposition I just received on the reasons that Poirot is Belgian but suffice it to say that "He's Belgian" is all the moustache origin story any sane person needs.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2023, 02:25:15 PM
Ariadne Oliver always regretted making Sven Hjerson Finnish.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 10, 2023, 02:40:40 PM
"set in Venice"

My Christie-loving wife's head nearly exploded.  Who then treated me to a well informed rant on the travesties Branagh is making, the failure to capture Christie's characters in proper context of time and location, the monstrous mismatch of Halloween Party and Venice, etc. 

The rotting but loved paperback she just plopped in my lap is, I see, dedicated to the well known Venetian author PG Wodehouse.

I won't share the full exposition I just received on the reasons that Poirot is Belgian but suffice it to say that "He's Belgian" is all the moustache origin story any sane person needs.
As I noted, changing the setting to Venice is odd for several reasons but mostly because the limited number of potential murders in the area is a pretty vital plot point. Woodleigh Common, sure, but Venice?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 15, 2023, 12:26:53 PM
Harry Melling who so limberly played the limbless thespian in The Ballad of Buster Scruggs, plays E A Poe, in his student days at West Point in The Pale Blue Eye.

I wanted to like this more - the historical backdrop, the somber wintry setting and gloomy interiors, snatches of poetry and romantic passion from the budding bard, the mysterious and macabre aspects of the deaths young Poe helps investigate - all the makings of great period psychodrama.  But somehow it loses coherence, tosses in a plot twist that is more "written" than convincing, and has Christian Bale (among others) speaking lines that seem too modern for 1830 and treading on social boundaries in various anachronistic ways.  (Also hard to envision a marriage of Toby Jones and Gillian Anderson yielding tall children, but that's a casting nitpick)
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Post by: luee on January 18, 2023, 02:05:58 PM
Agree completely, beautiful eye-candy but the central plot disintegrates rapidly.
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Post by: Oiled on January 18, 2023, 08:22:32 PM
Be nice if Melling had another crack at playing Poe, in something better plotted.  I'm also curious if the writers understand that young ladies, of the daughter's class, in 1830 would be chaperoned at all times in any social contact with a young man, especially the first such contact.  And especially a young lady with a seizure disorder and delicate health. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 20, 2023, 12:32:20 PM
Yes to that and add that for all its Poe-try PBE does a couple things I truly dislike in mysteries: it leans heavily into the occult, and the solution to the mystery depends on a conversation we do not overhear about facts we do not know about, depriving us of any chance to solve the thing for ourselves. Did not like it. Felt like dropping it off a tall bridge like a limbless thespian. Will not rewatch.

I note Melling even with all his limbs is decided lighter than he was in his first few roles.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 20, 2023, 01:05:50 PM
Yes, familials inform me that he was more chunky in the Hogwarts films (which I have not seen).  And an LOL for "dropping it off a tall bridge..." 

Also, as my parenthetical remark may suggest, not big on reliance upon the occult in a mystery either. 

Still awaiting The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket: The Musical. Or really, any adaptation. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 22, 2023, 12:10:51 PM
Now that I think about it, an Everything Bagel is an odd concept, philosophically.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 22, 2023, 05:44:48 PM
The Schwarzchild radius of any bagel would be very tiny, given the small mass, even of those quite solid Thomas bagels.  The black bagel in the movie EEAAO was...okay that was a maguffin I didn't take too seriously and so cannot recall if it had an entire universe's worth of matter collapsed into it or what.  But yes anytime one says "everything" in some cosmic context, it calls into question what's all that stuff that's OUTSIDE of the object's event horizon.

And thinking about a bagel as a maguffin...well, there's cognitive dissonance when maguffin is so similar to, say, MacMuffin.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 22, 2023, 06:37:28 PM
At the very least I appreciated EEAAO's use of Chekov's buttplug.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 23, 2023, 04:18:36 PM
I avoided EEAAO and went in expecting something gimmicky facile and twee. I did not expect to find myself deeply, quietly moved by a scene involving sentient rocks.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 23, 2023, 06:52:59 PM
As I recall, by the time I had reached the talking rocks, I had weathered one weird gag concept too many - black hole bagel, hot dog fingered people, the Chekhovian awards on Jamie Lee's desk, the hoary Chinese-American  tropes like laundromats and kung fu and mothers-in-law, the general genre anarchy....but later I softened my position and liked the rocks.  And tried to see the absurdist stuff as metaphors deployed on behalf of a familial drama, and getting peace with past forks in the road of life.   

And it's possible my initial negative reactions were somewhat driven by the enormous vats of praise ladled on by critics at the time (last  Spring?) and which had me expecting more than I felt was delivered. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 23, 2023, 10:06:23 PM
I may have liked it so well in part because I was expecting to hate the weird gag stuff. But every time I started to drift off it would bring me back to the human story at the core, and I started to see that gag stuff as linked to the themes of the movie, like the disconnect between and among the families, or how one exists in a random world with no meaning. And damn everyone is so good in this, Yeoh, Short Round, Curtis, Hsu, the actress who played her girlfriend, all of them.

Also, it reminded me how remiss I have been in not ever seeing In the Mood for Love. Which does not appear to be streaming free anywhere.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 24, 2023, 10:13:50 AM
I like your take - I think you may have seen it more clearly than I did on first viewing.

Eleven Oscar nominations seems a bit much, though.  I may need to rewatch the damn thing.

In the MfL is an understated masterpiece.  Ms Coppola said it inspired her to make Lost in Translation.  Your local PL probably has it, if you've got a DVD player back there stored with the Victrola and tube radio. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 24, 2023, 11:15:48 AM
It was basically nominated for everything, everywhere it could be except visual effects. And I feel like I slighted Ke  Huy Quan by not checking his name before posting. Since there is a very good chance his obituary will open with "Oscar winning actor..." I should acknowledge him by real name.

I have BoI and AQotWF 5o watch before March 12. Not sure i will be able to access any other top line movies.
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Post by: Hairy Lime on January 24, 2023, 06:33:04 PM
I do want to say, now that I have seen the complete list of nominees, that it is my fondest dream that, on March 12, someone at the podium will say the words, "And the Oscar goes to... My Year of Dicks". That would make me indescribably happy.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 25, 2023, 09:06:59 PM
Har! 

Haven't seen Triangle of Sadness, but it sounds like a possible double feature with Glass Onion.  Am not signing up for Apple+ to see it, however.

Banshees both Frau Can and I want to see, and it reunites Gleeson and Farrell in a McDonagh-penned story, so we are seeing soon.

All Q otWF was one I thought the frau and I would watch, since she's learning German (and forcing me to unrust my HS German), but sounds like I'm on my own with that one.  Zu traurig fur Sie.



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 25, 2023, 09:11:21 PM
You have to just imagine the umlauts.


Also looking to swipe someone's Peacock login so I can see the creative intersection of Rian Johnson and the to-me weirdly sexy Natasha Lyonne in Poker Face.  A pox on all these streaming services that don't share!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 30, 2023, 11:04:11 AM
The Banshees of Inisherin is an exceedingly dark existential tragicomedy that may leave you pondering the life of the thinking and creative person in remote rural places.  And the Aran Islands, in 1923, are pretty remote.  The story has the feel of allegory, but Gleeson, Farrell, and the whole ensemble do a fine job of making it seem quite real.  Perhaps I should say that prospective viewers may not want to watch BoI if they are struggling with any personal blues.  There is much despair to be seen.  And if you're expecting an actual external banshee, you will be disappointed. 

I can't say yet if this is McDonagh's best film to date, but this is the sort of film that has to haunt you for a while before you've really absorbed it.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 04, 2023, 05:28:36 PM
The second most famous native of Hope Arkansas has passed away.

Melinda Dillon, 'A Christmas Story' And 'Close Encounters Of The Third Kind' Actor, Dead At 83
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/melinda-dillon-a-christmas-story-actor-dead-at-83_n_63de8e15e4b01e928871890e
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on February 04, 2023, 09:00:48 PM
I long suffered a Michael Fassbender/Jude Law problem with the lovely and talented Ms Dillon.  For some reason, I would confuse her with Sandy Dennis.

Didn't fully understand until I learned that both Dennis and Dillon played "Honey" in Whos Afraid of VA Woolf. Well of course. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 13, 2023, 12:24:23 PM
RRR proved to be both bat shit crazy and not bat shit crazy enough.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on February 13, 2023, 02:39:04 PM
The trailer seemed to show more GRRR than RRR.  Not sure I'll get round to it, but your comment does pique curiosity. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 13, 2023, 03:10:22 PM
Well, the disclaimer at the beginning assures you that no tigers, leopards, deer or oxen (inter alia) were harmed in the making of the movie. So, you know, if you are interested in the type of movie that needs to say that, it is the movie for you. I mean, in one massive fight scene a character straight up kills a guy by throwing a leopard at him.

Or just type Naatu Naatu into YouTube. Cool clip.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on February 16, 2023, 05:22:02 PM
Wow.  Looks like it won best song at the Golden globes.

I think Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly did a very similar dance number in...whatever that movie was.  Two American tourists in India help defeat the British Raj, then die of heat stroke....ungh can't pull up the title.  Or possibly it was Bing Crosby and Bob Hope.  On the Road to Andhra Pradesh.  That's the one. 
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Post by: Oiled on February 21, 2023, 04:42:50 PM
The Netflix dark thriller/comedy "You," while I can admire the satire of self-absorbed Millennial/Z culture, relies too much on heavily worn serial killer and stalker tropes, and a burdensome awareness of its own cuteness.  Season one was enough for me.  To anyone who has seen American Psycho, this may also feel too derivative - though the main character, Joe Goldberg, is in some respects more likeable than Patrick Bateman.  I probably stuck with him for a season because he's a bookstore owner with a genuine passion for literature and the radiantly beautiful Elizabeth Lail. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 27, 2023, 04:37:44 PM
A tad disappointed to learn that the SAG ensemble cast award for EEAAO did not include Brian Le and Andy Le. Because I would have loved to see what they would have done with the trophies.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on February 28, 2023, 12:06:34 PM
A tad disappointed to learn that the SAG ensemble cast award for EEAAO did not include Brian Le and Andy Le. Because I would have loved to see what they would have done with the trophies.

🎭
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 28, 2023, 09:38:18 PM
A tad disappointed to learn that the SAG ensemble cast award for EEAAO did not include Brian Le and Andy Le. Because I would have loved to see what they would have done with the trophies.

🎭
I just saw the cast acceptance speach and the Les were on stage, even though they were not in the citation. Fortunately,  only one trophy.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2023, 04:32:52 PM
Not big 9n the AQotWF remake. It was brutal, as it should be, but it was somehow less impactful for all that. Perhaps it was the addition of the peace negotiations. Perhaps it was the decision to have the main character die in a fight ordered to start 15 minutes before the armistice. Perhaps it was the decision to show nothing of the characters outside the army which down plays the lingering dehumanizing effect of the war. But the result for me was a movie whose entire message was shot off before we even meet the main character. "War is all Hell. Now let me show you a bunch of ways in which it is Hell."

The peace talks/last minute death part kind of took the focus from the dehumanizing nature of war to the bull headed behavior of the very real Marshall Foch and the pig headed obstinancy of the fictional General Freidrich. In a way I get it, particularly in a German movie - Erzberger was scapegoated and murdered for signing the armistice and German militarism was sort of a problem going forward, so those scenes may have played differently in Germany. For me, they weakened the effect of the movie. Also, they were amusingly anti French, which I should have expected from a German movie.

Anyway, pretty good, excellent technically, although the sound track relied on a repeat motif that I kept thinking of the movies version of the hourly dong. But I prefer the original which was a true Milestone of cinema.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2023, 04:33:37 PM
You have no idea how long I have been sitting on that last joke.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 08, 2023, 05:35:44 PM
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You have no idea how long I have been sitting on that last joke.   


What a pity you had to get up!

Agree with your comment on the unsubtle messaging and also the effect of attaching a parallel storyline.  The parallel storyline with the armistice negotiation is not in the book, and the book also does give more time to Paul going home on leave and his often alienating encounters with the folks at home.  Sticking to the original text, in this case, might have helped.   And Remarque, though himself a German veteran, did not seem so anti French.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 09, 2023, 08:43:02 PM
RIP Michael Gubitosi, aka Robert Blake, whose film career was one of the longest in Hollywood, due to his successfully transitioning from child actor to adult roles.  Acted from 1939-1997.  Lost Highway was his last film.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 13, 2023, 10:18:01 AM
The RRR song was amazing,

I haven't seen The Whale, nor was it in theaters here.  Sounds interesting.

Generally I've lost confidence in the Oscars, as to choosing films and perfs on criteria of excellence.  The sweep of EEAAO seemed to me like a mistake, and possibly tainted by making a gesture of affirmation to the Asian community.  And $$$$$.  Just as one example, the Best Supp to JL Curtis, over Kerry Condon, was utterly ridiculous. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 13, 2023, 10:55:21 AM
The RRR song was amazing,

I haven't seen The Whale, nor was it in theaters here.  Sounds interesting.

Generally I've lost confidence in the Oscars, as to choosing films and perfs on criteria of excellence.  The sweep of EEAAO seemed to me like a mistake, and possibly tainted by making a gesture of affirmation to the Asian community.  And $$$$$.  Just as one example, the Best Supp to JL Curtis, over Kerry Condon, was utterly ridiculous.
JLC is not Asian.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 13, 2023, 04:12:05 PM
No, that was ridiculous simply in terms of comparative level of acting chops required.  Banshees was completely shut out. 

Many acting awards went to EEAaO, and Yeoh earned hers, but the overall sweep seemed to me out of proportion to the film's quality.  It's subjective of course so this is really just my take, and my impression is biased by the Academy's history of having one film sweep up more bald swordsmen than it deserves at the expense of other fine works of cinematic art.  You could go back to the 12th academy awards, and look at some of the contenders for the various awards that GWtW hoovered up.  Or years that The English Patient, West Side Story, Titanic, Ben Hur, Gigi, LOTR, et al bullied all their rivals. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 14, 2023, 09:29:19 AM
While I agree that it would have been nice of AMPAS to toss the excellent BoI a carrot rather than give it the finger - Condon would have been my choice, for instance - I long ago stopped expecting Oscar to go to my choice for best, and starting hoping it would go to a worthy choice. And all of EEAAO wins are.truly deserving. At least as with GWTW (even in a great year and with highly problematic content), WSS and LotR: TRotK, they over awarded the movie i suspect the year will be most noted for.

On the other hand Martin McDonagh needs a screenplay Oscar. I do not think BoI was better, and not appreciably better, than EEAAO, and 3BOEM was up against GO whose screenplay i preferred, and 2009 was maybe a little to early for AMPAS to appreciate his extremely quotable to certain mindsets IB (though miles better than the rather curdled M). But he has written three great screenplays. Also,.7P, which was not.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 14, 2023, 12:49:02 PM
Well I have to see a few more, Dreieck der Traurigkeit I am waiting for the disk to arrive, so I will admit I can't positively say EEAAO wasn't deserving of awards (will never recant on JamieLC, however, or my crush biased opinion on Kerry Condon). 

WSS is just a sad year, as it swaggered in and snatched gold from The Hustler, Judgement at Nuremberg, and La Dolce Vita, among others.  Boy boy, crazy boy.

Agree wholeheartedly on McDonagh and a screenplay Oscar.  Still haven't seen 7 Ps but the plot description remains one of the funniest I've ever read, and am reminded again to have a look.  It's lack of greatness, I suspect, will be a feature not a bug insofar as viewing pleasure goes. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 14, 2023, 02:42:19 PM
There is an old series of books named the Slocum Western Series which would make a good series of Western films, the films can be shot right here in Southern California on a low budget and can help to create local jobs.

https://tinyurl.com/bp8k7vvt

The people in Hollywood who want to make movies locally need to read the Slocum Westerns, the film students who are graduating from the local film schools can help to make Slocum Westerns, etc. And the Slocum Westerns can be shot on a low budget, and you can hire the Playboy Playmates to star in the movies, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 16, 2023, 03:49:20 PM
Well I have to see a few more, Dreieck der Traurigkeit I am waiting for the disk to arrive, so I will admit I can't positively say EEAAO wasn't deserving of awards (will never recant on JamieLC, however, or my crush biased opinion on Kerry Condon). 
Well, I am on record above as favoring Condon, and of the EEAAO pair I preferred Hsu. But Oscar voters love their narrative.
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WSS is just a sad year, as it swaggered in and snatched gold from The Hustler, Judgement at Nuremberg, and La Dolce Vita, among others.  Boy boy, crazy boy.
Your opinion of it and its many currently highly problematic  issues aside, when people think of movies from 1961, what movie do they think of? Not The Hustler. I may think JaN or LDV as superior movies, but it is hard to deny what movie is emblematic from that year. 
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Agree wholeheartedly on McDonagh and a screenplay Oscar.  Still haven't seen 7 Ps but the plot description remains one of the funniest I've ever read, and am reminded again to have a look.  It's lack of greatness, I suspect, will be a feature not a bug insofar as viewing pleasure goes.
Well, I was bored. It seemed twisted for the sake of being twisted.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 16, 2023, 04:20:18 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2023/mar/16/boston-strangler-review-keira-knightley-serial-killer-story-tells-fierce-tale

And this story of gruesome multiple murders is from....Disney?  I guess I've missed some tectonic shift in tone and theme at Disney. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 20, 2023, 12:16:21 PM
Saw ItHotN on TMC last night and was as always, surprised to find my recollection of it as being in black and white to be wrong. As a mystery pretty random and unsatisfactory; the motive, the killer, the way the killer is caught all work with several different people. But I suppose that is not why it gets watched.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 20, 2023, 09:32:25 PM
Thought I'd seen it, but a quick glance tells me I saw only the first sequel.  Which was definitely B grade film. 

All which reminds me (now I know I'm getting old because everything reminds me of something) of a date in college, she asks me to get her a "Pibb" to drink, and I bring it and tell her with Poitieresque sternness, "They call it MISTER Pibb!"  The pitying look that received haunts me still.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 25, 2023, 05:36:31 PM
There could be a movie "The Door Man" about a young unemployed actor who is living in his car. He gets a job watching the door for a beautiful Movie Star in order to earn money to eat and to rent a cheap hotel room. An evil gang tries to extort money from the beautiful Movie Star but She refuses to pay the money to the criminals. The Door Man gets caught up in the War that ensues, and working together with the Movie Star and with her friends and neighbors the Enemy Gang is taken down. At the end of the movie the Door Man and the Movie Star and their team wins, and the Door Man marries a Beautiful Woman who was on their team who he fell in love with while helping to save everyone.

If the film is a success, then it can be made into a television show.

And it can all be made right here in Hollywood using local talent and local workers.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 31, 2023, 08:38:03 PM
An unusual rendition of The Third Man theme...

https://youtu.be/9roN_e891d4

Live audience in Maastricht, Netherlands.



Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on April 06, 2023, 12:41:28 AM
By Grabthar's Hammer, you will be avenged!

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Walter Sobchak on April 08, 2023, 09:30:59 PM
I miss Alan Rickman.  Great character actor.  Gone too soon.

Perfect in Truly Madly Deeply, which some critic called " 'Ghost'  for grownups." 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Walter Sobchak on April 15, 2023, 04:19:11 PM
Inside Man (2006) holds up well as Spike Lee's most mainstream film while still retaining his flair for interesting montages of New York personality types and capturing moments of humor in crisis.  Good ensemble, great curtain drop. 

Wish I could say as much for the mediocre 2019 sequel, which Lee was basically shut out of directing. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on April 29, 2023, 04:23:47 PM
Remember Harry Belafonte in "Beetlejuice"

https://youtu.be/nbkybaDR_Co

Jump in the Line!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on May 06, 2023, 02:10:21 PM
Oscars diversity rules make Richard Dreyfuss want to vomit.

https://news.yahoo.com/vomit-jaws-star-richard-dreyfuss-160417954.html

For some reason I found the URL amusing.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on May 09, 2023, 09:53:29 AM
Triangle of Sadness is a takedown of the wealthy and social class boundaries that is worthy of Bunuel at his best. Maybe not Ostlunds best work so far ( I am a big fan of his previous film, Force Majeure) but it gets my vote as one of best films of 2022. The humor is dark, often unhinged, and sometimes hilariously so. A quid pro quo involving pretzel sticks, a post mortem psychoanalysis of a donkey, a matriarchal social order established by a restroom cleaner, Woody Harrelson as a drunken Marxist luxury liner captain, an astonishingly gross descent into sickness and chaos on said luxury liner during a storm, a woman who has only three words....all morsels of disruption to be enjoyed. As I said, Bunuelesque, and possibly a good double feature with The Exterminating Angel.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on May 09, 2023, 10:54:27 AM
Have not seen ToS but from all reports 2022 was a rough year for donkeys. Cinematically speaking.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on May 12, 2023, 03:26:22 PM
Las Vegas Review-Journal

A bill to make nearly $200 million in film tax credits available every year for the next 20 years was introduced in Carson City Thursday, part of a bid to get Hollywood studios to relocate to Nevada → bit.ly/3M1WoKK

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We need to let the film students know about the money for filmmaking in Nevada, we have Chapman film school, and USC film school, here in California, and there is NYU film school in New York City, etc.

We also have The American Academy of Dramatic Arts for actors and actresses which has campuses in New York and in Hollywood.

Westerns and Bible movies are popular now, and Nevada has great scenery.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on May 12, 2023, 04:42:24 PM

Indeed.  The donkey in ToS does not have a happy ending.  Much hasard.

Both EO and ToS owe much to sixties masterpieces that inspired them.  The more I reflect on ToS, the more I see how much was borrowed from The Exterminating Angel.   

Sad that the lead actress, whose performance had me seeing a stellar career ahead of her, died shortly after the film was made at age 32.  I expect the superstitiously minded will find parallels, as her last name was Dean and her date of birth was three days before James Dean s.  And she died of septicemia which was worsened because she had previously lost her spleen in a car crash.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 07, 2023, 11:12:05 AM
Caught To Leslie, streaming on Netflix. Plot wise, "Alcoholic ... Uplifting Ending" and you can fill in the plot beats without seeing it. But Riseborough was pretty good and added some subtlety to the more predictable drunken histrionics.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on June 07, 2023, 10:19:33 PM
Thanks, in my queue. Three more episodes of Travelers and I'm done watching brain snatching time travelers try to save this stinking planet.  Oh, and spouse and I want to see The Wrong Box, some sixties British thing about a tontine policy and attempted murders. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 12, 2023, 01:57:33 PM
So watched Band of Brothers over the weekend. Had not seen it before. Suddenly during the concentration camp episode I noticed an actor in the background and said to myself, "Hey! That is Jude Law!"

Fuck. Again.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on June 12, 2023, 05:28:53 PM
Heh.  I forget what my Law/Fassbender litmus test was, so I'll just make up a new one.  If the character leans toward physical violence, including warfare, then Fassbender.  If towards psychological violence, including snark or sarcasm, then Law.   Fassbender has coiled energy, like a clockspring.  Law is more languid, more hedonistic.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on June 15, 2023, 04:37:40 PM
RIP Member of Parliament and Oscar-winning actress (who first wowed me in Marat/Sade) Glenda Jackson. 

And a fatally-donkey-choking thumb up to Lime's new tagline. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 15, 2023, 05:46:32 PM
Always brought a touch of class to,any role, but especially whenever playing women in love.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on June 23, 2023, 09:26:25 PM
   
To Leslie is an acting showcase for Andrea Riseborough, playing an alcoholic Texas woman who abandons a child and blows her entire lottery win. (as well as any man who will look her direction) Also a notable supporting performance from Marc Maron, mostly known as a comedian and podcaster, who plays a motel manager who tries to give her a break and help her get her shit together. Many themes which would be trite and dull in lesser hands, are rendered with depth and beauty here.  As Hairy said, Riseborough brings some subtlety to her rendering of a drunk and some predictable trajectories.

Also, not technically a movie, but its length and standalone plot should qualify it as one, is Beyond the Sea, one of the episodes of Black Mirror s new sixth season.  (not to be confused with a Bobby Darin biopic). It is brilliant, with fine performances from Aaron Paul, Kate Mara, and Josh Hartnett, and I would nominate it for any Best SciFi Drama of the Year list. The other two episodes I had seen had me worried the whole season would be nothing but Black Mirror Lite, but Beyond the Sea definitely brought it back to its full darkness and depth.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on June 30, 2023, 03:31:25 PM
Farewell Alan Arkin. Hated hated hated the movie and role he won an Oscar for, but I always enjoyed him.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on June 30, 2023, 10:48:32 PM
Rest in Peace to Alan Arkin, he was a great actor, one of my favorite movies that he made was "The Inlaws" with Peter Falk, it is a very funny movie.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 04, 2023, 12:15:43 PM
Sometimes I feel I am imposing an unreasonable burden on actors, requiring them to die before I will see their award winning movies.   I thought maybe I had seen THIALH in my youth but really no recollection of it.  Like Hairy and Tony, I preferred him as a comedic actor.  May he RIP.

Meanwhile, apparently there is a new meme and catchphrase for very different sorts of movies released on the same day, Barbenheimer.  What is funny is that these are the two films, both out on July 23, that I most want to see this year so far.

I know there is also a Wes Anderson flick out there now, but am not sure it is up to his usual standard.  Looks like a WFV for me.

Guilty pleasure territory might be JLaw in No Hard Feelings.  Before I start rambling on what a super sexy kitten she is, I will remind myself that she and my daughter were born a couple months apart.  Harumph.  Fine actress.  Dedicated professional. 
Title: Re: Barbie bans burgeoning
Post by: Oiled on July 07, 2023, 08:32:34 AM
https://www.npr.org/2023/07/06/1186178724/barbie-movie-philippines-vietnam-china-map

The question is why did they put that nine dash line there in the first place.  Leave the crude childishly-drawn map as it was, minus the line, and no one would have given it a second thought.  It's not a realistic world map, so you wonder how China leveraged this geopolitical statement in there during production.  And obviously with some form of threat that they wouldn't release the film to the huge Chinese market.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 07, 2023, 03:21:43 PM
Heh.  I forget what my Law/Fassbender litmus test was, so I'll just make up a new one.  If the character leans toward physical violence, including warfare, then Fassbender.
That makes sense. First movie i recall seeing Fassbender in was the war film Enemy at the Gates.

Or not.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 07, 2023, 07:45:05 PM
Heh.  I forget what my Law/Fassbender litmus test was, so I'll just make up a new one.  If the character leans toward physical violence, including warfare, then Fassbender.
That makes sense. First movie i recall seeing Fassbender in was the war film Enemy at the Gates.

Or not.

Wait, that was....aw fuck me!  Though it's worth pointing out (really it probably isn't) that Jude Law plays a aniper who hides places and picks people off at a distance.  If it were Fassbinder, his character would rush out with a knife  for some close and personal violence.

Fassbender plows right through that nine-dash line in the South China Sea, Law sneaks across after agonizing about it and maybe pouting a little when a superior officer chews him out. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 10, 2023, 03:23:52 PM
Of course, I saw EatG was before Fassbender was a thing, so to speak, so I knew the Law at the time. I was surprised during a pandemic induce Youtube trip through the complete and completely excellent Jeremy Brett Grenada TV Sherlock Holmes stories to find a beefier 18 year old Law hiding out, occasionally in drag, in Shoscombe Old Place. Brett was the best Holmes, with the arguable exception of Buster Keaton. I need to rewatch that.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 10, 2023, 03:26:06 PM
Meanwhile, Tar is sticking to me. I have so many questions.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 10, 2023, 06:43:35 PM
Like what the diacritic does to Tar?  I missed that one, but it sounded like an interesting fictional take on events ripped from the classical music world headlines.  Why my wife avoided it, maybe.  She was a classical musician who happily departed that world. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 10, 2023, 06:46:14 PM
More like, was that... a ghost?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 10, 2023, 07:26:55 PM
Like what the diacritic does to Tar?  I missed that one, but it sounded like an interesting fictional take on events ripped from the classical music world headlines.  Why my wife avoided it, maybe.  She was a classical musician who happily departed that world.
I can understand that; I avoided law related movies for years. But Tar is an intriguing take on corrosive power, fame and invented personality that did kept me locked in and engrossed, despite its run time and a paucity of event. And there is a roughly 10 minute sequence where Blanchett manages to make a point I heartily agree with in a haughty, insulting and controlling way that is brilliant writing and acting.

I see why CB was considered a strong Oscar contender. I also can add Nina Hoss in a shorter but maybe even harder role to the list of "Actresses who were better than Jamie Lee Curtis". And also an always welcome Mark Strong sighting.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 10, 2023, 08:22:23 PM
Mark Strong and Andy Garcia are the same person  AFAIK.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 12, 2023, 03:12:21 PM
Mark Strong and Andy Garcia are the same person  AFAIK.
A Michael Law/Jude Fassbender thing? I do not get that, perhaps because I just started noticing Strong and have not thought about Garcia in decades.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 12, 2023, 03:14:17 PM
Though now that I think about it, I have never seen Strong and Garcia in the same room together. Maybe I should look into that.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 13, 2023, 03:12:47 PM
I was pretty sure that was Andy Garcia playing the MI6 guy in the Imitation Game, or I was until the credits identified him as Mark Strong.  I had been really impressed with Garcia's accent until I learned that.

And there's the Cuban revolution film, which seemed to me to star Mark Strong, but the credits claimed it was Garcia.  I didn't think it was a reach that Strong, of Italian descent, could speak fluent Spanish - they are just two dialects of the same language.  No harder than Daniel Craig learning to speak like Benoit Blanc.
 

Like Jude Law, Garcia is a slightly softer version of his lookalike. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 14, 2023, 09:41:13 PM
Vivarium, a 2019 Irish film, appears to be a surreal/sci-fi take on the existential horrors of middle class life in a bland subdivision, and made me think of the classic Twilight Zone episode, "Stopover in a Small Town."  Like most films about existential Hell, this one is pretty bleak, though not without some humor and visually arresting moments.  Jesse Eisenberg (who seems to easily inhabit these sorts of indie film roles) and Imogen Poots are the couple who find themselves entrapped in the insipid and mysteriously empty subdivision, tasked with raising a creepy boy-like being who seems like Samuel Beckett's fever dream of childhood.  Frustrating for the viewer is their seeming lack of experimentation after a couple attempts to break out... but then that is the point. 
Title: Re: BARBENHEIMER!!!
Post by: Walter Sobchak on July 21, 2023, 05:21:15 PM
BARBENHEIMER!!!
Title: Re: BARBENHEIMER!!!
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 21, 2023, 07:03:55 PM
BARBENHEIMER!!!
Have you seen either?
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 22, 2023, 09:34:19 AM
Poking fun at the social media hype over the simul-release of those two films.  We will see both, but probably after a visiting relative has departed.  After "Tenet" it is with some trepidation that I venture out to another Chris Nolan movie.  But the cast is aces, and Nolan seems to be making a genre shift that may be for the better. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 22, 2023, 01:03:39 PM
I could not make it through T or I (the first I, did not try the second) disliked tP, and had zero interest in the BMs. But I did like D, which is also an historical film,, so maybe I will give O a chance.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 22, 2023, 01:10:53 PM
And while I rely liked LB and LW, B looks positively visually painful.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 22, 2023, 03:38:59 PM
So maybe a No on the IMax version.

Gerwig has made some good film. I have not seen her early mumble core film, N&W.

I got through both Insomnia and Inception, didn't much like either.  The first one concerned lack of sleep, the second way too much sleep.   

I vaguely recall The Prestige causing some polarization at the Third Eye forum, with you and Weeds and a couple others all panning it, along with the Bale bashing.  I sorta liked the Faustian aspect of Jackman's role.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 23, 2023, 07:02:21 PM
I have a friend who is in the music industry here in Hollywood, and we were talking, and he does not think that Hollywood will ever be the same after it comes back from the strikes, it will come back different.

He thinks that Hollywood is going to do more of the independent films like "The Jesus Revolution" and "The Sound of Freedom."

Emilio Estevez just made a new movie "The Way" with his Father, and Emilio may be a big new producer and filmmaker in the future, and he can hire actresses like Aurelia Scheppers, Mahlagha Jaberi, and Marli Buccola, and he can hire the best acting coaches to teach the unknown actresses, so that he can make great movies for a low budget in order to get started, like he did with "The Way" that he made with his Father, he made it on a very low budget.

At the same time, Apple is a big new player in the Entertainment Industry. So, we will have a lot going on after the strikes are over.

And new studios are being built in Nevada.

Universal also wants to shoot more films and television shows in Orlando, Florida.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2023, 07:18:11 PM
The full trailer for A Haunting in Venice is out. And it looks like a couple of my worst fears are going to be true. Tina Fay will be playing Ariadne Oliver and she is definitely American. Which, like making Poirot an action hero makes me think Branagh has no concept of his characters. And it looks to lean into actual, rather than put on, occult.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 23, 2023, 09:53:09 PM
Well, Oliver is the alter ego for Christie's self-deprecation of her literary mistakes and foibles so yeah it would make sense she be English and not Tina Fey. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2023, 11:04:45 PM
She always struck me as elfin.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on July 23, 2023, 11:09:49 PM
And yes, making Ariadne Oliver American rids the character of the gentle self mockery.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 29, 2023, 04:23:08 PM
When I was a young actor some people told me that I looked like a Ken Doll, I was handsome like a Ken Doll, but I was trying to be cool like Marlon Brando and James Dean. I lived in Malibu, and if they would have made a Barbie movie back then, then I think Pamela Anderson would have been the perfect actress to play Barbie back then. I was working as a Limousine driver for Gemstar, and we were the official limousine service for the Jay Leno Show, and we all wanted to drive for Pamela Anderson.

Here is my Student Film from USC, I was handsome like James Garner, I could have played a Ken Doll easy, it would have been easy money.

https://youtu.be/GJ2wBMgs-lQ

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 29, 2023, 08:24:40 PM
Fascinating.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on July 30, 2023, 05:18:35 PM
Actors struggling, cleaning apartments, trying to get through the strike with survival jobs.  This Post article details one aspiring actor's struggle.

https://archive.li/hQ97k


(original article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/07/30/hollywood-actors-strike-survival-jobs/
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on August 03, 2023, 10:34:31 AM
The Barbie flick had enough wit and subversion of the Barbie lore to satisfy those who approach dolls as objects of decapitation while not going quite dark enough to scare off Mattel's sponsorship.   The last line will undoubtedly take a secure place in future movie trivia nights around the globe.  As for Margot Robbie's portrayal, I can only marvel at someone so lovely and radiant and vibrantly alive taking on the role of a chunk of molded plastic.  However, full disclosure, I would marvel at Margot Robbie reading ingredients on a can of beans.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on August 07, 2023, 03:59:47 PM
It's a fl... a flaw in the iris.

Faye Dunaway never gets enough credit.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on August 07, 2023, 07:52:13 PM
She's my sister AND my daughter!

Yep.  She carried a lot of that movie.  I rank her with Ellen Burstyn, as standouts in the seventies. 

RIP William Friedkin btw.   

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on August 19, 2023, 10:22:00 AM
Explores the white savior film, with reference to the recent conservatorship drama playing out in the news....

https://www.npr.org/2023/08/18/1194535397/the-blind-side-michael-oher-white-savior

Really awful movie. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on August 20, 2023, 05:57:19 PM
The Furnace is an Australian version of a Western, set in the 1890s, concerning an unlikely duo who come into possession of Crown gold ingots they need to get to a smelter so as to remove the Crown stamps. As with a US Western we are led to believe gold makes men crazy.  The main difference from US Western tropes is...camels.  Many camels, many cameleers, who were men of Sikh, Persian, and Afghan origin that came to the Outback in the nineteenth century to supply the main system of transport prior to the railroads.  The interactions between them, the British, and the Aboriginals were complex and sometimes ugly.  Not a great film, but held my interest
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on August 31, 2023, 09:26:21 AM
Just an odd bit of flotsam that floated past my information intake....Hilary Swank just had twins this Spring, at age 48.  Impressive.  If the next 20 years weren't going to carry her into old age...they will now!
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on September 04, 2023, 02:12:19 PM
Oppenheimer is somewhat uneven, with a staccato and annoying set of opening fast-cuts, but it eventually gets down to business and brings some acting talent that...well, let's just say that if an Irish actor with a very Irish face can persuade me that he's a Brooklyn born Jewish physicist, then you have a memorable performance.   The cast is generally so top-heavy  with major talents trying departures from their usual roles that it borders on distracting and makes me wonder when Nolan will stop trying so hard.  But none of this can obscure Murphy showing us the tormented soul of the Father of the Atom Bomb and eliciting our sympathy for a man finding himself trying to beat back the tide he helped to bring in.  This is a flawed movie but well worth the time.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 04, 2023, 02:42:55 PM
Predatory to getting royally pissed at Kenneth Branagh, i decided to check out one of those standard mid 70s highly cast by the numbers Christie movies, Mirror, She Cracked, a surprisingly Marple free Miss Marple movie. Yeah, most famous star dunnit. Rote, dull. But. I do note the director, Guy Hamilton, who did one of the Ustinov Poirot and a handful of Bonds, as Assistant Director in the greatest movie ever made was the stand in for Orson "I am NOT going down into the sewer and you cannot fucking make me" Welles.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Walter Sobchak on September 04, 2023, 03:43:57 PM
Branagh is also in Oppenheimer, if you feel like adding to the piss.  There should be some kind of statute which forbids him to play foreigners.

Spouse said something about Rubella kissing, which will make sense to you, Lime, I gather.   Mirror Cracked (lol your aberrant title) does seem overlarded with Yank A Listers.  But if you're having a plot with actors playing fictional famous actors then I guess that's the low hanging fruit you pick.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 04, 2023, 03:47:38 PM
Also, long weekend with my wife working, I decided to make a sort of OG RomCom double bill of Much Ado About Nothing and Pride and Prejudice. The MAAN was Youtube available version with David Tennant and Catherine Tate - not in my sphere of direct knowledge but apparently a Dr. Who reunion - that I had seen before. It was serviceable though it leaned too hard into, not just comedy but farce. The paired scenes where Beatrice and Benedick and Beatrice are played for gulls both had  badly distracting business, and Tate in particular was prone to hamming. Well, it was filmed on stage, so some of that, at least, was for the cheap seats. I do appreciate that they tried to give Hero some agency, but there being no lines befitting, they tried to do it through facial expressions. Still not bad, and it is one of my two favorite Shakespeare comedies, and it was enjoyable.

It was the 2005 version of PaP, with Kiera Knightly as Lizzie, Matthew Macfayden as Darcy, Rosalind Pike as Jane, Tom Hollander as the absurd Mr. Collind and... hey! Carey Mulligan! Anyway, I guess they did about as well as they could in keeping the novel together in 2 hours, primarily by rushing through everything except Elizabeth and Darcy. And while it is a truth, universally acknowledged, that a well loved novel  eing turned into a 2 hour movie must be in want of some pruning, you would expect the novel's most famous line ro make an appearance, somehow somewhere. Anyway, it was fine, though  I had always thought poor Lizzie was subject to the two worst proposals in English literary history, the movie made Darcy too empassioned and ardent and not a big enough dick.

And one last, just a first impression, but Women Talking goes on a list with Snakes on a Plane as a.contender for the most succinctly accurate movie title of all time.

Least accurate: The Neverending Story, and I am still pissed they made me leave the theater (not to mention The Neverending Story II, which should not have been possible) and Snatch,.which was surely false advertising.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 04, 2023, 04:06:21 PM
Also, yes. Rubella.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on September 06, 2023, 12:51:49 PM
My spouse asserts that it is a truth universally acknowledged that the 1995 miniseries with Colin Firth is the best production.  Firth is also AFAIK the only man to play Darcy twice, in two different productions based on two different novels. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 06, 2023, 01:41:27 PM
My spouse asserts that it is a truth universally acknowledged that the 1995 miniseries with Colin Firth is the best production.  Firth is also AFAIK the only man to play Darcy twice, in two different productions based on two different novels.
That is what i have heard; the miniseries format gives it room to get into more of the book. However it is only available on BritBox as opposed to Netflix. I have looked. Though my interest in Firth going forth in his other take on Mr. Darcy is limited by my antipathy to a certain Squinty McPigface in the starring role.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 06, 2023, 01:55:30 PM
I feel obligated to mention that despite my post of yesterday I am not planning to hunt, kill and eat Mr. Branagh,  not even in the service of the divineMs Emma who he so cruelly wronged. Preparatory is what I meant.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on September 06, 2023, 06:12:45 PM
That is how I read it.  Autocorrect software has taught me to make better inferences on what word was intestine by the writer.

I will continue to exercise discretion regarding your hopeless infatuation with Ms Zellweger.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 07, 2023, 04:15:20 PM
Just realized that the recent, forgettable Operation Mincemeat featured a Darcy-off.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on September 08, 2023, 06:17:29 PM
I had forgotten.  Validating your single-word review of OM.

I would say steer clear of the off-book adaptation Death Comes to Pemberley.  I like Jenna Coleman, and Matthew Rhys was a pretty good Darcy, haughty and sardonic, but I had to bail after a couple episodes due to the wretched anachronistic scripting and clumsy tinkering with Austen. 

  I lean more towards Northanger Abbey, which is about as fun as Austen gets, is very adaptable to screen, and the one with Carey Mulligan and Felicity Jones is a hoot. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on September 27, 2023, 12:37:49 AM
I would recommend The Mauritanian.  Powerful performance by Tahar Rahim, with a fine ensemble supporting.  It will not let go of me.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on September 30, 2023, 03:33:40 PM
Just finished Wes Anderson's four part video audio books, I can think of no other way to describe them, of Roald Dahl stories on Netflix. They appear to be the characters reading the stories word for word while the actions are enacted in the back, middle or fore ground. Actors play multiple characters, stage hands appear to move sets and handle props. Verbal styles of all of the actors are similarly clipped and fast, regardless of the character. 4th wall is non-existant. Details of set, costume, color scheme, quirkiness and framing scream Wes Anderson, as does the story within a story within a story motif. Complete and completely for Anderson unexpected absence of Bill Murray. Actually, except for Ralph Fiennes, who plays Dahl (story within etc.) and is in all four, and given my not seeing AC, none of his usual suspects. Anyway, I enjoyed them.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on September 30, 2023, 04:30:21 PM
Will have a look.  I saw a preview for Henry Sugar, even that brief glimpse screamed WA.  I heard covid kept the ubiquitous Bill out of Asteroid City.  Haven't seen AC either. 

Benedict Cumberbatch in Henry Sugar is quite a different thing from him in The Mauritanian.  Starting to see him as quite the versatile fellow.  I call him Squinty McHorseface.   
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on October 25, 2023, 07:08:16 PM
Thought of saving a couple posts from the short-lived Exelba forum, but the quote difficulty here makes it more chore than its worth.  And I would have to contact members and get their permissions to transfer some of their content.   Exelba is up for a little while longer, so I will leave such content clipping up to members.  Limes list of favorites was a good one, an exemplar of the quirky nature of lists that abandon purported objective standards and just say what is loved. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on October 27, 2023, 11:12:32 AM
I turned 63 recently Which, I am sure, gets all of us thinking, what are HairyLimes favorite 63 movies released in his lifetime? For 1960 movies, they must be released in the US after to my birthdate, which excludes both The Apartment (June 15) and Psycho (June 16), but includes Shoot the Piano Player (October 21 in the UK, 1962 in the US). Movies released internationally prior to 1960 are not considered even if they had no US release until after 1960.

I am aware that I have, potentially, either 62 or 74 movies on this list depending on how one counts Dekalog and The Lord of the Rings, both of which I treat as one movie.

And note, these are my FAVORITE movies, which may or may not line up with best. I am aware of the argument that, say, objectively Pulp Fiction is better than, oh, Local Hero. And some haters would want to debate the inclusion of Shakespeare in Love and exclusion of Saving Private Ryan. Suck on it, haters. I know which one I want to rewatch. I should also note that the further down the list you get, the rankings are less certain. I am more interested in identifying the 63 movies than worrying about whether This Is Spinal Tap is better than Monty Python and the Holy Grail.

For those for whom the personal history of directors make a difference, I have multiple moves by convicted or alleged sexual predators on my list. I long ago determined that I did not want to live in a world without Chinatown or Annie Hall. If you feel otherwise, I have no issues with you. I am not going to berate you about the need to separate the art from the artist and humiliate you until your leg starts twitching uncontrollably (on the list, by the way. My fave scene from last year not involving sentient rocks. Also on the list). On the other hand, earlier iterations of this list would have included Manhattan, a movie I just cannot watch now without thinking about the allegations against Allen. I am aware of the inconsistency.

The list also contains something my lists rarely contain, reasonably recent movies, including three from last year. I usually let things percolate before ranking them, but I have become convinced in multiple viewings of each, that there were three fantastic movies released last year. Their respective rankings may alter, but they deserve a spot on the list.

1. Nashville
2. The Godfather
3. Au hasard Balthazar
4. Annie Hall
5. Chinatown
6. Dekalog
7. Fargo
9. A Separation
9. Raging Bull
10. Lord of the Rings Trilogy
11. Taxi Driver
Q2. Dr. Strangelove
13. No Country for Old Men
14. Hannah and Her Sisters
15. The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
16. Lawrence of Arabia
17. Chimes at Midnight
18. Goodfellas
Q9. Labyrinth of the Faun
20. The Double Life of Veronique
21. Get Out
22. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
23. Andrei Rublev
24. Paris, Texas
25. All That Jazz
26. Jaws
27. Everything Everywhere All At Once
28. The Gospel According to St. Matthew (1964)
29. Yojimbo
30. Knives Out
31. Das Boot
32. Knife in the Water
E3. Crimes and Misdemeanors
34. A Serious Man
35. Grand Budapest Hotel
36. Adaptation
E7. Tar
38. The Lion in Winter
39. Sideways
40. In Bruges
41. Shoot the Piano Player
42. Sita Sings the Blues
43. American Splendor
44. Close Encounters of the Third Kind
45. Witness
46. Apocalypse Now
47. The Producers
48. Banshees of Inisherin
49. Monty Python and the Holy Grail
50. Shakespeare in Love
51. Inside Llewyn Davis
52. Groundhog Day
53. LA Confidential
T4. Local Hero
55. Blood Simple
56. About Elly
57. Roger & Me
58. This is Spinal Tap
59. Stalker
60. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
61. The Great Escape
62. 2001 A Space Odyssey
63. 1917

I should also note that immedialy upon posting this list, I was struck with doubts, primarily movies.i inexplicably omitted, like Thelma and Louise, In the Loop and Gosford Park.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on October 29, 2023, 12:08:10 PM
I am glad to see Get Out, Jordan Peeles sci-fi horror allegory surreal racial farce, included. 

Saw it again with a visiting relative and it held up well for a second viewing even though I knew the creepy developments that were coming. As kind of a meta observation on casting, I really like Josh on the West Wing being the seemingly benign father of the girlfriend who morphs into a mad doctor.  And Daniel Kaluuya is great, drawing us into his POV and delivering a stellar slow burn as the eugenic madness unfolds.  Lakeith Stanfield and Betty Gabriel genuinely evoked horror in me, something that straight up horror movies rarely do.

Given the approach of Halloween, I feel a re-view of Us and Nope is also on the weeks schedule.


Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 31, 2023, 07:00:11 PM
If you are looking for a good scary movie to watch for Halloween, then one good old movie is "The Sentinel" starring Cristina Raines. I watched it on HBO when I was young and it was a very scary movie and it gave me nightmares as a kid.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on November 01, 2023, 07:25:38 PM
I watched it again recently.  Apparently $400 would get you a lot more apartment in the mid-seventies.  Did you know Ms Raines quit acting a few years later and became a nurse?  Unusual career trajectory.

I remember Burgess Meredith's character really made me squirm - very creepy.

Very much part of that trend in the 70s towards Catholic-based horror.

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Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on November 22, 2023, 03:06:48 PM
Lacking a moderator to delete spam, I'm reposting a couple posts beyond the spam pile.

Small addendum - Michael Lawbender's character does listen to a lot of The Smiths songs, so it's not a total waste.  I ended up watching the whole thing, pulled along in a peculiar way by a slightly hypnotic quality.

Wasn't someone here quoting those great lines about the privilege of sitting beside someone when a double decker bus crashes into them?  Not a big fan but that was my favorite Smiths song back in the eighties.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on November 22, 2023, 03:07:33 PM
I had to bail after about an hour of The Gray Man, a highly derivative composite of several better spy actioners, with Ryan Gosling as a CIA assassin Ken doll who.... it's too boring to even bother describing.

But it was nice to see Chris Evans again as a cheerful black ops sociopath,  he who was so cheerfully obnoxious as Ransom in Knives Out.  Nobody munches on a cookie while delivering snark quite like Evans. 

Which reminds me that The Gray Man also features Ana de Armas, who does a much better job of lying while keeping her lunch down.

 Y'know...maybe I will watch the second hour of this mediocrity.  Maybe fast-forward through the shootouts and linger on any Evans initiated cookie consumption.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on November 22, 2023, 03:08:00 PM
Nope, couldn't do it.  So I tried the pilot of some sci-fi thing called The 100.  Since it concerns dropping all your most obnoxious teenagers on a planet that may be still radioactive post apocalypse, I could only wonder where was this series when I had teenagers.  It could have been so...cathartic. 

There's also something with Jude Law Michael Fassbender, which seems to tread similar turf with The Gray Man.  Rulebender is "The Killer" and this procedural of whacking people and evading manhunts seems about as unfeeling and stylish as most David Fincher films.  The few minutes I sampled suggest a film loaded with bloodsoaked absurdity and Samurai philosophy so consider yourself warned.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on November 22, 2023, 03:10:22 PM
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Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 09, 2023, 11:00:57 AM
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Reanimator meets Lady Chatterley?  With Emma Stone?  Looking forward to this at my local moviehouse.  Lanthimos makes interesting movies, though I hope to never see Killing of a Sacred Deer again, ever.
At his best, he channels Bunuel.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 10, 2023, 12:20:26 PM
Leave the World Behind is a darkly funny social satire that targets the complacency of our high tech digital culture, and racial prejudice along the way, making clever use of the collapse of civilization trope. I had to click to the information screen on Netflix to determine that this was NOT a Jordan Peele movie. Solid ensemble of performances from Julia Roberts, Ethan Hawke, and Mahershala Ali.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 17, 2023, 02:46:39 PM
99 Homes is an engrossing and heartfelt drama about the greed and predatory behavior that is rewarded in the American housing market.  Set in Florida, during the great recession of the late 00s.  With excellent performances from Andrew Garfield, Laura Dern and Michael Shannon that take us far deeper into the human suffering and business-as-usual callousness than the headlines do.  In theaters in 2015, but I think few saw the film in its limited release, so it may reach a larger audience now as it streams on Netflix.  As evictions rise in 2023, its theme seems as timely as ever. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 27, 2023, 06:58:41 PM
  Easter is when Jesus comes out of his tomb and if he sees his shadow, he goes back in and we get six more weeks of winter. 

- Tom Smothers

May he RIP. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on December 29, 2023, 10:35:44 AM
Maestro is a worthwhile peek into the problems of the musician's life.... but Cooper is not Lenny Bernstein.  Wrong energy.  And script takes liberties with the facts that render something with the ring of...fiction.  I grew up in a family of classical music fans, saw Bernstein perform many times, watched interviews, read biographical material, and had my life of music appreciation and performance (very limited) deeply influenced early on by Lenny's Young Peoples Concert series, so I was definitely a tough room for this movie.  But props to Cary Mulligan, who was simply superb as Felicia. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 08, 2024, 01:52:51 PM
Trying to decide if Asteroid City is a profound meditation on grief and the nature of art or too fucking clever by way more than half. But you can certainly see where the stylistic beats of the Dahl tetralogy come from.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 11, 2024, 10:15:55 AM
Wes Anderson and "profound meditation on grief" are not thoughts that usually cluster together in my head.  We're starting to catch up on viewing but still haven't got round to AC, The Holdovers, 4 Daughters, Fallen Leaves, Anatomy of a Fall, Fremont, and a couple others that we had aimed at. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 11, 2024, 10:52:21 AM
Wes Anderson and "profound meditation on grief" are not thoughts that usually cluster together in my head.  We're starting to catch up on viewing but still haven't got round to AC, The Holdovers, 4 Daughters, Fallen Leaves, Anatomy of a Fall, Fremont, and a couple others that we had aimed at.
"Available for free on my current streaming services with me sitting on my ass at home" is my primary criteria of choice for movies these days. Which puts those non-AC movies off my list for now,  and Maestro and Saltburn solidly on it.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 11, 2024, 04:10:03 PM
Saltburn, Poor Things, and Killers of the Flower Moon  were some of the others we had in mind.  KotFM has a 3:36 run time that may keep it out of the multiplex here, but the indie theater downtown might bring it.  I note that it is the last collaboration between Scorsese and Robbie Robertson. 

Uncertain about Uruguayan Donner Party (working title: Who's for Dinner?) but it seems to be getting praise as a survival thriller.  And it's free, so maybe after dinner has settled. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on January 11, 2024, 04:25:59 PM
Saltburn, Poor Things, and Killers of the Flower Moon  were some of the others we had in mind.  KotFM has a 3:36 run time that may keep it out of the multiplex here, but the indie theater downtown might bring it.  I note that it is the last collaboration between Scorsese and Robbie Robertson. 

Uncertain about Uruguayan Donner Party (working title: Who's for Dinner?) but it seems to be getting praise as a survival thriller.  And it's free, so maybe after dinner has settled.
Is that a foreign for us language remake of Alive? I have a firm recollection of a scene where Ethan Hawke's character.is about to trek off in a desperate last ditch attempt to get help. One of the other survivors shouts out after him, "I'll pay for the pizza if you go get it!" and Hawke turns and replies, "Who do you want on it?"

Oddly I can find no reference to that quote anywhere. And the quote on imdb omits the response. I have a feeling it may never have happened outside of my own head.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on January 12, 2024, 06:32:34 PM
Heh!  Society of Snow is based on the same events, but a different source book.  My guess is that Alive took more factual liberties, but haven't seen SoS yet, so it's just a WAG.

Coldest weather here since we moved up here ten years ago, so watching Uruguayan rugby players chew each other out in the Andes sounds like like the perfect appreciate-your-life movie.

The other cannibal movie available is Gladiator.  A joke that works better spoken than read. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on February 02, 2024, 04:24:37 PM
RIP Apollo Creed.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on February 02, 2024, 06:09:44 PM
I liked his absurdly thrifty version of himself on Arrested Development.

One of the funnier actor playing self gigs out there. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on February 25, 2024, 11:08:03 AM
Personally, I can t wait to get home and have Netflix recommend this show to me based on all the other stuff that I watch myself in.

- Idris Elba, the SAG awards de facto emcee.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 01, 2024, 11:25:12 PM
Howard Hughes Holdings and Sony Pictures have submitted plans with Clark County to build a movie studio on 31 acres in Las Vegas.

DETAILS: https://tinyurl.com/5n7fdwx8

===========

A few studios are reportedly coming to Vegas, which is good.

I do not necessarily like the Japanese, I do not like the Japanese business model, they work themselves to death, and if it was not for unions then they would never pay our people fair. I like the Italian business model better when it comes to making movies, and the French business model, and Hollywood.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 02, 2024, 04:16:14 PM
The movie about Father Flanagan and Boys Town was an Oscar Winner and it was the top grossing film of 1938, they could do the same thing with Father Boyle and Homeboy Industries, and they can show the world how great Homeboy Industries is so that people can support the organization.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 07, 2024, 01:38:49 PM
Caught up with a couple of movies, one fairly recent and one a little older, over the weekend.

The Wonder, a 2022 Florence Pugh movie, is about an English nurse who travels to Ireland to spend two weeks observing a Fasting Girl, who claims to have not eaten food for four months. Slow, atmospheric, and at first it built some suspense amid (despite) multiple shots of Pugh walking across the Irish landscape in a muddied blue dress. Pugh is good, the reliable Toby Jones and Ciaran Hinds show up, the latter too briefly. Tom Burke plays a reporter, originally a local and now based in England, who disdainfully attempts to browbeat Pugh to get face time with the Fasting Girl. They have an antagonistic relationship until they suddenly, without regard to the plot to date, actor chemistry, or how human beings actually behave, and solely because it will be necessary for the plot resolution, bang. "I thought you did not like me" Pugh says post coitus, which is fair because UP TO THAT VERY POINT HE DID NOT.

Anyway, Pugh solves the mystery of the Fasting Girl, (hint: it involves Allofeeding) and the movie plods on to an ending that requires a character to essentially ignore everything she had said or done or believed in for the entire movie and abandon her entire life and outlook for a new one in the course of maybe one minute. For this movie, it would be hard to think of a worse and more artificial ending for the story. Add to it the director apparently having his soul possessed by Wes Anderson for framing scenes at the beginning and end of the movie, and a self aware voice over narration, both of which the movie does zero with, and it was two hours of my life I definitely would like back.

But at least it was also only two hours, separating it on the positive side from The Good Shepherd. Jesus. Just because I wasted my time is no reason for me to waste yours with anything more.

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 08, 2024, 09:19:38 AM
Finally logged on.  My traveling device refuses to access Elba.  We didn't journey as far as Tampa, but it was nice to be warmER.   My daughter is an amazing director, managed to get astonishing stage talents out of middle schoolers. 

The Wonder disappointed us, too.  Allofeeeding is more than a "hint," haha.  But this cinematic dose of preposterone can't really be spoiled.  The reincarnation ending was, as you noticed, artificial and pandering.  And just silly.  Pugh/Burke chemistry=0. 

When you described The Good Shepherd I thought wasn't that George Clooney then realized that was a film from the same year, The Good German.  Also a tedious mediocrity.  Further muddying my memory waters was another similar themed film, also around that same year, The Constant Gardener.  Which was pretty good.  The only reason I'd sacrifice two hours of my mortal coil to TG Shepherd would be Matt Damon who seems to pull good performances out of dubious scripts. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2024, 09:49:18 AM
The Good German Shepherd would be a nice double bill. And for the record, I thought I was getting the Clooney movie which sounds way more interesting.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 08, 2024, 10:09:31 AM
Oh, and yes Constant Gardner was very good, far better than TGS. Because there is a difference between a slow burn and a slow no burn, Rachel Weisz >> Angelina Jolie, and that La Carre fellow seems to be pretty good at that sort of thing. I predict a bright future for him.

Fun fact. When I went back to fix "bright suture" one of the options predictive type gave me was Utrecht. What the hell have I been typing?

I just remembered Rachel Weisz was in The Light Between Oceans with Michael J. Lawbender.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 10, 2024, 08:32:13 PM
The Good German Shepherd would be a nice double bill.

I terriered up at the ending. 

that La Carre fellow seems to be pretty good at that sort of thing. I predict a bright future for him.


New Hope for the Dead!

Some good adaptations of Le Carre.  I can't remember much of the Tinker Tailor film with Gary Oldman, but I really liked the late seventies BBC version with Sir Alec G.  Smiley's People, the sequel, was also solid.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 11, 2024, 11:14:47 AM
The Good German Shepherd would be a nice double bill.

I terriered up at the ending. 

that La Carre fellow seems to be pretty good at that sort of thing. I predict a bright future for him.


New Hope for the Dead!

Some good adaptations of Le Carre.  I can't remember much of the Tinker Tailor film with Gary Oldman...
Slow burn as well, but much better than TGS. Frequent shots of train tracks. Colin Firth in the cast but given less to do than Mark Strong or Toby Jones. Gee, I wonder who the secret bad guy is...

Richard Burton as The Spy Who Came In From the Cold remains my favorite JLC adaptation, and probably my favorite spy movie. Also liked A Most Wanted Man, PSH's last movie. Fuck. I am still pissed at him.
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Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 15, 2024, 10:43:18 AM
Cabrini is a nice bit of cinematography, with some decent performances.  You will learn something about the pushy nun, shaking things up in the halls of power, albeit an embellished version with some anachronisms.  As biopics go, it seemed a notch above mediocre - a better script with Mother C intoning fewer portentous lines and fewer cliches would have helped. 

Turgid but watchable.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 15, 2024, 11:03:58 AM
And who was Mayor Gould??  No mayor of that name in NYC.  Actual mayor was Hugh Grant.  Who had some ties to Tammany corruption, which seems to somewhat fit the composite character John Lithgow plays.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 15, 2024, 06:16:00 PM
And who was Mayor Gould??  No mayor of that name in NYC.  Actual mayor was Hugh Grant. 
Probably Lithgow was cheaper.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 15, 2024, 09:45:01 PM
Heh.

Yes, there could be temptations to call it "stunt casting" if one were to have Hugh Grant, NY mayor 1889-1892, played by the actor of the same name.  However  the handsome chap of Notting Hill is now too old for the part of NY's youngest mayor...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_J._Grant



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Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 16, 2024, 03:06:21 PM
Anyone have Liquid Silver's email?  Time to bolster the sign-up form and questions.  Do a bit of Augean stable sweeping.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 18, 2024, 03:12:13 PM
Capote v the Swans looks fun, with Tom Hollander in the title role, though it will be difficult difficult lemon difficult for me to watch without signing up for another streaming service. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 20, 2024, 05:32:03 PM
 The world is full of complainers. And the fact is, nothinf comes with a guarantee. Now I dont care if you're the pope of Rome, President of the United States or Man of the Year; something can all go wrong. Now go on ahead, you know, complain, tell your problems to your neighbor, ask for help, n watch him fly. Now, in Russia, they got it mapped out so that everyone pulls for everyone else. Thats the theory, anyway. But what I know about is Texas, and down here, you're on your own.

M. Emmet Walsh spoke the first words ever heard in a Coen Brothers movie. RIP to one of our greatest character actors.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 20, 2024, 07:24:50 PM
Yes.  Impressive that he worked up until production wrapped on a film released three weeks ago.  Did you spot him in Knives Out btw?

His first film appearance was in Alice's Restaurant - the sergeant who deems Arlo Guthrie unfit for military service after his sarcastic comments on the Group W bench. 

Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on March 20, 2024, 10:30:57 PM
Yes.  Impressive that he worked up until production wrapped on a film released three weeks ago.  Did you spot him in Knives Out btw?

His first film appearance was in Alice's Restaurant - the sergeant who deems Arlo Guthrie unfit for military service after his sarcastic comments on the Group W bench.
Sure. I mean, considering how many times I watched it...
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on March 29, 2024, 09:51:37 AM
In August 1969, Gossett had been partying with members of the Mamas and the Papas when they were invited to actor Sharon Tate s house. He headed home first to shower and change clothes. As he was getting ready to leave, he caught a news flash on TV about Tate s murder.

RIP, a gentleman who played an officer.

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In August 1969, Gossett had been partying with members of the Mamas and the Papas when they were invited to actor Sharon Tate s house. He headed home first to shower and change clothes. As he was getting ready to leave, he caught a news flash on TV about Tate s murder.

RIP, a gentleman who played an officer.

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RIP, a gentleman who played an officer.

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Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on April 13, 2024, 11:22:53 AM
Yes, I've noticed that more frequent posts seems to slightly deter the robo spam.

Reading The Boy who Harnessed the Wind, I see there is a movie based on it, directed by Chiwetel Ejiofor, on NF.  Anyone seen this? 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on April 13, 2024, 11:38:51 AM
Civil War.

The sort of topical plotline that I might be tempted into a theater to watch but....Texas and California form an alliance and secede together??  Well  I guess that's a narrative hook. 
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 13, 2024, 02:22:21 PM
Civil War.

The sort of topical plotline that I might be tempted into a theater to watch but....Texas and California form an alliance and secede together??  Well  I guess that's a narrative hook.
That upside-down little idiot indicated he saw a YouTube video positing that as a reality. I wonder if he just saw some reference to the movie and took it as reity. He is stupid and gullible enough to mistake it for reality.
Title: Re: Movies
Post by: Oiled on April 13, 2024, 06:46:30 PM
Wouldn't surprise me at all. 

I can see the casting of Nick Offerman as a dick president.  The map showing the four alliances the USA breaks up into has plausibility problems tho.