Escape from Elba
Literature => History => Topic started by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 12:13:11 PM
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Share your thoughts on your favorite books of American history.
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On the issue of California, and on the Sanctuary State issue, it is a long standing American tradition to stand up and do CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE against things that we are against, we did it against England to throw off the rule of the British, and we did it on other issues, such as when people violated the law when the law required them to report runaway slaves, many helped the slaves and refused to report them, etc. Henry David Thoreau wrote about CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE and many people such as Gandhi and others practiced CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE and Gandhi was able to win independence for India without firing a single shot. Another case of CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE was when Lech Walesa helped to win independence for Poland and helped to bring down the USSR and helped to bring down the Berlin Wall, and helped to bring freedom, democracy, and improved human rights to hundreds of millions of people, without firing a single shot. Another case was when Martin Luther King Jr peacefully fought for improved human rights for African Americans, and when Rosa Parks used Civil Disobedience when she refused to sit at the back of the bus. There are many examples of people who stood up for what they believed in, even if what they believed in was against the law. There was also the case of people who defied Hitler and helped to save Jews, even though it was against the law. It is up to us to stand up against laws that are un-American, and that go against what we stand for. And we must change laws that do not represent what we stand for. It is up to us to stop the wall, and to stand up for our good immigrants, and to do CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE against things that we do not agree with, and to demand a GOOD NEIGHBOR policy with our good Christian neighbors here in the Western Hemisphere, Canada and Mexico, and we must demand that Canadians and Mexicans be able to legally live, work, and go to school, in the USA, and we must have a special path to citizenship for them, and we must stand up for all good immigrants like Reagan did when he made all of our immigrants legal and brought them out of the shadows so that they could legally work in the USA and join unions, etc. We need to be defiant of what we do not agree with, and we must stand up and demand what we do agree with, and California is behaving in a strong American tradition when California declares California to be a Sanctuary State and when we go against what we are against.
Link about Thoreau and Civil Disobedience...
https://tinyurl.com/Thoreau-Civil0Disobedience
Salute,
Tony V.
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Some of the people who helped to build America...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
Salute,
Tony V.
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A few people who did a lot for the labor movement in the USA were Eugene V. Debs, Jimmy Hoffa, and Cesar Chavez.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez
Salute,
Tony V.
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Some of the people who helped to build America...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
Salute,
Tony V.
How did you choose the ones you chose?
Ford was an anti-semite.
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Here are a few links for people who helped to build Hollywood in the early days...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Disney
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Pickford
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Laemmle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucille_Ball
Salute,
Tony V.
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Some of the people who helped to build America...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
Salute,
Tony V.
How did you choose the ones you chose?
Ford was an anti-semite.
I just picked out a few who were interesting.
Henry Ford apologized to the Jews, and the Jews warmly accepted his apology. And the Jews were always a part of Detroit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Metro_Detroit
Salute,
Tony V.
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Some of the people who helped to build America...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Franklin
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockefeller_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderbilt_family
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Ford
Salute,
Tony V.
How did you choose the ones you chose?
Ford was an anti-semite.
I just picked out a few who were interesting.
Henry Ford apologized to the Jews, and the Jews warmly accepted his apology. And the Jews were always a part of Detroit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Metro_Detroit
Salute,
Tony V.
Ford's so-called apology was neither authored by Ford nor truly an apology - he claimed to bear no responsibility for what had been written, blaming it all on others who worked for him.
Except he didn't either write it or sign it. Nor did he mean a word of it.
Did people welcome it? Yes, at the time. But when the real author died, a couple years later, Ford resumed his attacks and his circulation of the awful pamphlets.
I think you need to look more deeply at this issue, Tony.
https://history.hanover.edu/hhr/99/hhr99_2.html
Eventually, Ford publicly apologized for the articles in light of a legal suit. However; he continued to express his anti-Semitic beliefs in his private circles. In the 1930's, he hired many fascist sympathizers, accepted an award from Hitler; and engaged in business ventures in Nazi Germany. In the 1940's, the Ford Motor Company was transformed into a more tolerant organization through the efforts of Ford's son and grandson. However; Ford himself never abandoned his deep-rooted anti-Semitism. His anti-Semitic literature can still be found in great abundance, more than fifty years after his death. While Ford is considered to be a great man by many Americans, he spawned an ugly legacy of hatred and bigotry that still has ramifications today.
A bit more about the apology itself:
The letter was written in reaction to a libel charge brought against Ford by Aaron Sapiro, a California attorney who was personally named and attacked in one of the Independent articles. Sapiro's suit was one of many filed against Ford as a result of these articles, but his was the only one to go to court.
The Sapiro trial garnered much publicity ("THE JEWS TRY FORD!" one headline proclaimed), but the suit ended in a mistrial on accusations of jury tampering. Besieged by negative publicity, Ford sought to end this and all other legal actions against him by issuing an apology.
What was not known at the time - and may still not be widely known today - is that the apology was written by New York attorney and American Jewish Committee president, Louis Marshall. Following the mistrial, Marshall was contacted by Ford's representatives and asked if he would write an apology that would go out under Ford's name. Marshall agreed and drafted a text that Ford accepted without change. Ford then had one of his assistants sign the letter on his behalf and released it to the public.
The results of Ford's apology were mixed. Many who felt slandered by the Independent articles were relieved and perhaps vindicated by this statement. Many, however, doubted Ford's sincerity - particularly when the articles reappeared and continued to be distributed following Marshall's death in 1929. Some also saw the apology as nothing more than a shield that allowed Ford to deflect blame to his subordinates while avoiding further legal consequences.The letter was written in reaction to a libel charge brought against Ford by Aaron Sapiro, a California attorney who was personally named and attacked in one of the Independent articles. Sapiro's suit was one of many filed against Ford as a result of these articles, but his was the only one to go to court.
The Sapiro trial garnered much publicity ("THE JEWS TRY FORD!" one headline proclaimed), but the suit ended in a mistrial on accusations of jury tampering. Besieged by negative publicity, Ford sought to end this and all other legal actions against him by issuing an apology.
What was not known at the time - and may still not be widely known today - is that the apology was written by New York attorney and American Jewish Committee president, Louis Marshall. Following the mistrial, Marshall was contacted by Ford's representatives and asked if he would write an apology that would go out under Ford's name. Marshall agreed and drafted a text that Ford accepted without change. Ford then had one of his assistants sign the letter on his behalf and released it to the public.
The results of Ford's apology were mixed. Many who felt slandered by the Independent articles were relieved and perhaps vindicated by this statement. Many, however, doubted Ford's sincerity - particularly when the articles reappeared and continued to be distributed following Marshall's death in 1929. Some also saw the apology as nothing more than a shield that allowed Ford to deflect blame to his subordinates while avoiding further legal consequences.
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Somehow the first time I heard that expression I made the Judy Garland connection, given her being a gay icon. The etymology I later looked up seemed to bear that out. Also, the allusions in the Oz books towards accepting those who are different. Anyway, that's really funny about the search for an actual Dorothy.
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https://www.stripes.com/history/2022-05-30/japanese-americans-santa-fe-camp-6177675.html
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Where's this? (It's a gimme)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Sx0F9nr7/Antietam-Burnside-Bridge2-sm.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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It is a bridge over troubled waters. And in September 1862, very troubled waters.
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Antietam Creek then. Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago. Only took us 30 years to get around to it.
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It is a bridge over troubled waters. And in September 1862, very troubled waters.
You are, of course, correct.
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Antietam Creek then. Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago. Only took us 30 years to get around to it.
Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?
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It is a bridge over troubled waters. And in September 1862, very troubled waters.
You are, of course, correct.
Toured that battlefield four times back when I lived east of the Rockies.
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Antietam Creek then. Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago. Only took us 30 years to get around to it.
Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?
Har! The spouse is more a documentary fan than I am. There's a point with battle descriptions where they begin to all run together. Up or down a ridge, taking heavy fire. With still photos of heavily bearded men their stern faces lined with duty and burdensome care and some unthinkable inner pain inflicted in the mess tent. But seriously, it was probably one of the better documentaries in conveying the horrible toll and senseless destruction of war. And the theme "Ashokan Farewell" is now burned into my brain for the rest of my life.
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It is a bridge over troubled waters. And in September 1862, very troubled waters.
You are, of course, correct.
Toured that battlefield four times back when I lived east of the Rockies.
Been there a few times myself, and hope to return at least a few more. It's always beautiful.
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Antietam Creek then. Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago. Only took us 30 years to get around to it.
Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?
Har! The spouse is more a documentary fan than I am. There's a point with battle descriptions where they begin to all run together. Up or down a ridge, taking heavy fire. With still photos of heavily bearded men their stern faces lined with duty and burdensome care and some unthinkable inner pain inflicted in the mess tent. But seriously, it was probably one of the better documentaries in conveying the horrible toll and senseless destruction of war. And the theme "Ashokan Farewell" is now burned into my brain for the rest of my life.
I love a good doc, but Ken Burns can just beat a topic to death -- my short attention span helping to form that opinion, though I often watch CSPAN-2 and -3 for hours, so go figure. Also, my sympathy for the Ashokan Farewell earworm; happens all the time.
Throwing out another pic just because.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdVW3w6t/Antietam-Bloody-Lane2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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On August 3, 1919, several days of racial violence targeting Black communities in Chicago, Illinois, came to an end after intervention by the state militia. After five days of gunfire, beatings, and burnings, 15 white people and 23 African Americans had been killed, 537 people injured, and 1,000 African American families were left homeless.
During the Great Migration, Chicago was a popular destination for many Black migrants leaving the South in search of economic opportunity and a refuge from racial terror lynching. From 1910 to 1920, the city's Black population swelled from 44,000 to 109,000 people. The new arrivals joined thousands of white immigrants also relocating to Chicago in search of work. Many Black newcomers settled on Chicago's south side, in neighborhoods adjacent to communities of European immigrants, close to plentiful industrial jobs. But racism was not completely behind them.
Although African American migrants had fled the Southern brand of racial violence, once in Chicago they still faced racial animosity and discrimination that created challenging living conditions like overcrowded housing, inequality at work, police brutality, and segregation by custom rather than law.
In the second decade of the 20th century, segregation in Chicago was not as legally-regulated as in Southern cities, but unwritten rules restricted Black people from many neighborhoods, workplaces, and "public" areas -- including beaches. On July 27, 1919, a Black youth named Eugene Williams drowned at a Chicago beach after a white man struck him with a rock for drifting to the "white" side of Lake Michigan. When police refused to arrest the man who had thrown the rock, Black witnesses protested; white mobs responded with widespread violence that lasted five days.
Over that terrifying period, white mobs attacked Black people on sight, set fire to more than 30 properties on Chicago's south side, and even attempted to attack Provident Hospital -- which served mostly Black patients. Six thousand National Guard troops were called in to quell the unrest, and many Black people left Chicago after the terrifying experience.
Though state officials announced a plan to investigate and punish all parties responsible for violence and destruction of property during the unrest, many more Black people were arrested than white. The subsequent grand jury proceedings resulted in the indictment of primarily Black defendants. Later testifying before a commission investigating the roots of the Chicago violence, the city's police chief admitted this was due to bias in his department of white officers.
"There is no doubt that a great many police officers were grossly unfair in making arrests," he said in 1922. "They shut their eyes to offenses committed by white men while they were very vigorous in getting all the colored men they could get."
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Antietam Creek then. Spouse and I just watched the Ken Burns docu a few weeks ago. Only took us 30 years to get around to it.
Are you sure you didn't mean it felt like 30 years watching it?
Har! The spouse is more a documentary fan than I am. There's a point with battle descriptions where they begin to all run together. Up or down a ridge, taking heavy fire. With still photos of heavily bearded men their stern faces lined with duty and burdensome care and some unthinkable inner pain inflicted in the mess tent. But seriously, it was probably one of the better documentaries in conveying the horrible toll and senseless destruction of war. And the theme "Ashokan Farewell" is now burned into my brain for the rest of my life.
I love a good doc, but Ken Burns can just beat a topic to death -- my short attention span helping to form that opinion, though I often watch CSPAN-2 and -3 for hours, so go figure. Also, my sympathy for the Ashokan Farewell earworm; happens all the time.
Throwing out another pic just because.
(https://i.postimg.cc/xdVW3w6t/Antietam-Bloody-Lane2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Whilst I agree with idea of Ken Burns tending to cause the death of a subject by blunt force trauma, the The Civil War doc was his first sustained piece and in my view was too short. But then I used to get in spirited long friendly debates with chartres on the NYT forums over the relative merits of Bruce Catton and Shelby Foote, so I was pretty much the docs target audience .
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On August 3, 1919, several days of racial violence targeting Black communities in Chicago, Illinois, came to an end after intervention by the state militia.
That was a terrible period for race relations and justice - the Tulsa massacre came a couple years after this. And law enforcement at Tulsa was even more of a sham than it had been in Chicago, IIRC.
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But then I used to get in spirited long friendly debates with chartres on the NYT forums over the relative merits of Bruce Catton and Shelby Foote, so I was pretty much the docs target audience .
Foote was a terrific interviewee in the Burns doc. The ties, in his own life, to the Civil War, seemed to have informed his work. His hometown was destroyed in the war. I don't know a lot about him, as compared to other historians. Heard he took some flack for admiring remarks about Nate-bed, but don't know if that was fair or not.
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On October 14th, 1947, Chuck Yeager broke the sound barrier out at my hometown at Edwards Air Force Base...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chuck_Yeager
Then the fastest man alive was Pete Knight who was friends with my Grandmother, Pete was involved with politics up until his death.
A great movie about my hometown is "The Right Stuff" which is a great movie. And the Space Shuttles and all of the secret planes, we did it all out in the desert. Working together with Cape Canaveral, Florida, and other areas, we put men on the Moon, I went to Florida when the Space Shuttle program went from the desert to the Cape. ( I used to have a tile from the Space Shuttle, I wish I still had it, you could hold a Bic lighter to it and it never got hot. ) I was at Edwards when the first Space Shuttle landed and President Reagan was there to give a speech, it was great.
A new flight museum is being built at Edwards, I hope they build a really great museum.
Salute,
Tony V.
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