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Title: Central and South America
Post by: Admin on April 16, 2007, 09:02:25 PM
Discuss Central and South American politics.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: snyggokul on June 06, 2007, 10:50:56 PM
(o.0) See ? THAT is the main problem about South American politics :

There isn't enough discussion !  :D

 :P Just kidding, just kidding...


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on June 29, 2007, 12:20:31 PM
BOCAJUNIORS,

BOLBÉ TE PERDONAMO´

google tranlation:Bocajuniors come back we forgive you


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito on July 17, 2007, 04:02:27 AM
Viva Alfredo Palacios!!!!!





(I know, I bit anachronyc...)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on July 19, 2007, 12:44:58 PM
BIBA!!!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 07, 2007, 05:36:18 PM
BOCA, a small present

Behold brother your fellow workers in yonder Chechenia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAwNYUEbME&mode=related&search=


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 09, 2007, 11:50:34 AM
BOCA, let´s see if this brings you back to life:

this is my uncle Tangalanga speaking with a worker of the world ,a plumber Jose, who doesn´t work properly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCViFleVZKE


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 09, 2007, 11:56:49 AM
more from my uncle Tangalanga:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsqCwlmaZfs


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito on August 10, 2007, 10:00:38 AM
martinbeck3: And back to life I am, but I'm not opening any links anymoooore, since I've got viruseses aplenty from some-bloody-where, so from now on I'll try to be conspicuous and even un-promiscuous computer-likes.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 10, 2007, 10:46:26 AM
BOCA, these  youtubes  are totally safe. In case you want you can type www.youtube.com. and search *tangalanga*. Trust me. My *uncle* is the greatest ever.You know how beutiful my *uncle* puteadas will sound in your ears after so long  :).

I have never opened a link neithe un th nyt forums or elsewhere that had a virus.I just NEVER open a mail from somebody I don´t know.I just know theri names by heart.They offer viagra, *elongacion peniana*,tell you that you have  received an inheritance... 


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on August 10, 2007, 11:10:11 PM
elportenito,

You didn't take the real-age test by any chance did you, those of us who did now have the clap,perhaps HIV, but it is something stsd or whatever those letters to match the four numbers after his multiple name. Clever guy isn't two of them or is that three of him?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Lhoffman on August 11, 2007, 12:55:42 AM
Grisoft AVG Anti-Virus....it's a free download and kills off any nasty that tries to work its way into your system.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 12, 2007, 07:29:05 PM
HOFFMAN AND MADDIE:I´ve got Norton.Now and then it warns me of the job it´s been at fighting viruses off ,I close it and that´s that.

The newest sht emails are those that say "an old school friend has sent you a greetin card" etc.

A while ago I had several saying *I am a poor guy from Somalia-or whatever- and I have to have my wife operated on or she dies...*. 

BOCA, no te achiqués hermano,abrí los youtubes del uncle Tangalanga y te cagás  de risa. 

goolge trans:"don´t chicken out bro´,the you tubes from my uncle Tangalanga and laugh a lot.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 12, 2007, 07:32:00 PM
Boca, there is a chileno over at LatAm lit saying he sees no connection between US money and the *proceso*.I am telling you this because I know it´s something you enjoy.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on August 13, 2007, 02:38:48 AM
Dear M and B

I enjoyed that too but thought I would let it rest until you took a look  since it is either extreme naivety or just the opposite.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 13, 2007, 01:25:53 PM
MADDIE,it´s just the opposite. I know the kind.I rather not get into it.One never knows.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 26, 2007, 03:28:32 PM
BOQUITA,how do you like my picture :)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on August 28, 2007, 01:29:33 AM
martinbeck3

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1638826_1651852_1651861,00.html

So far, no Chavez but this.  I figure it is kind of old news.(above)

Why no Chavez, I'll have to figure out if the nytimes.com hid it? Haven't done a search at a few other places as well.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 28, 2007, 01:13:23 PM
martinbeck3

http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1638826_1651852_1651861,00.html

So far, no Chavez but this.  I figure it is kind of old news.(above)

Why no Chavez, I'll have to figure out if the nytimes.com hid it? Haven't done a search at a few other places as well.

I´d love to see Penn´s face if ever Chavez veteos on of his films.He´s a dictator and manipulates the media as he pleases.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on August 29, 2007, 12:21:34 AM
Do you mean like George Bush? He manipulates the media however I think these two guys are targeting different groups in each country (as well as targeting each other).


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on August 29, 2007, 12:51:45 PM
You´re bloody well right.Maybe Penn would better do in choosing somebody democratic to back.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on September 03, 2007, 10:29:24 AM
martinbeck3: Hi Marton, I'm not a frequent visitor of the forums lately, not that I'm bussy, same bludger as I've always been. But I found the forum thing a bit passe. There's no fire in the bellies anymore. All polite social exchange, a cup of tea here, a little cupcake there.

When are we going to grab the iron rod again? (chapar un fierro!!! as old Tincho Zabala used to advice us to do) Those were the days. I miss Pula Moyer, I used to perve on her virtual  legs under the virtual computer desk, you know?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on September 03, 2007, 10:45:57 AM
Remember the days of Sinmiedo and his merry crowd? Those were real good puteadas days.They don´t  know we came here. I think they were not told on purpose as sometimes the constant cutting and pasting was rather boring.The first months were the best.I agree we have to start some quilombo, I just don´t know how.

Let´s try:


I THINK FIDEL IS A FKNG  LIER AND I WISH HE WOULD DIE ASAP.

FIDEL, ALLOW DRA. HILDA MOLINA LEAVE CUBA AND COME TO ARGENTINA TO STAY WITH HER FAMILY.   

FREE POLITICAL PRISIONERS.

EL CHE WAS A CHUPAPIJA OF FIDEL.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on September 04, 2007, 09:01:30 AM
martinbeck3: You're not very nice to my two dear fellow Latin Americans: Fidel Castro and Ernesto Guevara, Che.

Not nice Martin.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on September 04, 2007, 12:29:10 PM
Just hoping some blood will be shed in this once bloody forum.The boys are not what they used to be.

Adios muchachos...tralalá


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on September 05, 2007, 10:22:18 AM
martinbeck3: The boys, the boys...the boys are bussy massaging their joints with RATISALIL or UNTISAL, some with DENCORRUB or GOANA BALM, othels with TIGER BALM. The boys are not what thei used to be, the boys are geting old....


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on September 05, 2007, 12:58:05 PM
Not all of them.Listen to this poem from our madre-patria-que-lo-tiró.LISTEN AND SING AND DANCE AND MAKE KILOMBO around your patrona´s clean swept lvingroom floor with a bottle of beer in your hand.Then take her hand and rock and roll her all over:
volume plees,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Sw1YHCgWs


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 24, 2007, 09:40:37 PM
Here is a short student film that I did at USC Film School:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ2wBMgs-lQ

I hope you are all doing well.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on October 25, 2007, 10:49:00 AM
Hi Flying Bourbon, thank you for sharing your art with thy old forum friends.

I´d say ,as film critic, very moving, it shows the angst of postmodern man at its worst.(how about that?) Pity we are not in the NYT ,otherwise I´d be named the next Michiko Kakutami.

Hey! is Michiko a boy or a girl,"Je ne ce pas",that´s French.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 25, 2007, 07:24:24 PM
Hi Flying Bourbon, thank you for sharing your art with thy old forum friends.

I´d say ,as film critic, very moving, it shows the angst of postmodern man at its worst.(how about that?) Pity we are not in the NYT ,otherwise I´d be named the next Michiko Kakutami.

Hey! is Michiko a boy or a girl,"Je ne ce pas",that´s French.


Hi, good to see you. Thanks for watching my movie and offering your opinion on it. :)

All the best,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Lhoffman on October 25, 2007, 07:51:38 PM
sure, I get it....angst of postmodern man and all....but it's darn funny too!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on November 15, 2007, 10:08:21 AM
Dzimas,

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?WT.mc_id=071115daily&storyID=9522


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on December 10, 2007, 10:29:10 AM
the top hit for these holidays:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC8hAXQUAzo

viva Venezuela sin chavez!!!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on December 14, 2007, 07:51:01 AM
martinbeck3: You allways against the tide. WITH CHAVEZ.Martin.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on December 14, 2007, 03:48:21 PM
Boca,, Hugo Chavez started off with the idea of bringing his country out of poverty (brouhgt on by World Bank, the IMF, and WTO) and out from under the economic yoke of the US and multinational corporations.  He was going along okay, accomplishing his mission, till he got into a spitball fight with Bush The Younger (Chavez should have just ignored everything Bush said, every time he said it).  King of the Hill never works out for a leader of a country.  On top of that, now he seems enamored of being president for life.  A bad sign.  For his people, and they seem to recognize that fact.  His getting the industry and oil and raw materials of his country back in the control of the country is great.  The setting of protective tariffs is super great ( I mean, the US has subsidies out the wazoo for "favored" businesses and corporations).  I just wish that all of South America would do the same--except the part about having presidents for life.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on December 23, 2007, 02:33:47 AM
It's not really odd though,when you consider that he is an admiration society of one( all on his own) for Fidel. Look how carefully he sat with him post-surgery,etc.  That should be some indication to you right away that  looking up to what Fidel does could lead to an ambition to be exactly like the big  Cuban who inspires. To him, he wouldn't see anything wrong with that.  It would be, all Why Not? Go For It!

Now, where I come from, it would be truly strange, we wouldn't stand for it as soon as word got out. Germans will be Germans. Lifetime achievement awards usually go badly. Somebody ends up getting shot because they forgot they special ordered it in case something went wrong, like shoot me . Very Hitlerian,Wagnerian, but they do try. I will be   Chief of Police for a lifetime.  I will be Head of the Common Council until five past three on a week from Tuesday.   I will stay Mayor because I am.  This goes over big in German-American communities. I just hop from one to another, the current situation offers the longest sitting urbane Jewish Senator who understands everything so well that he only speaks in Legal terminology because that is noncomittal when spoken by a person rather than a book. Also he has such important business yet remaining in the Judicial Committee to take care of that he really resents constituent  attitude that you should vote against him? Unheard of! There is a junior  Senator we voted into office to replace a low intelligence religious kook but this new Senator wins the high bunkum reward for conning us into letting him get into office and never answering your calls or e-mails about anything because he made that a rule.  He would talk to you once before the votes were counted and that's it.

So don't be too sure that  Hugo is crazy with his semi-mythological ambitions; because look what we've got not only in our back yard but in our front yard for drive by blessings on Sundays when they collect the political campaign support from the  nondenominational fortress on the corner.   I bet you've got some tooling around your state too. I hear that this week we should look out for the Arizonians real careful. You don't want them coming anywhere near Texas when they see what you've got there, they'll go bananas.             


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on December 26, 2007, 04:57:18 PM
I just happen upon this site, and see old friends here.

Whatta gas!

Martin, I really missed being able to laugh with you guys at ?Porque no te callas?

Fasu/Boca must be groaning, "Oh, no, not him!"

Well, I see the action is light, but I'll check in from time to time.

Martin, what is your read so far on Mrs. Kirch?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on December 27, 2007, 11:15:58 AM
Beso, Martin is more likely to be found over in LatAmLit than here.  Leave a comment over there and he'll be right back atcha.


Title: And others as well..
Post by: beso1 on December 27, 2007, 04:12:05 PM
And donotremove, too!

Home of the flying red horse, right? Hope you are well.

And Tony, too; any parts on the horizon? Good idea, the short films. Break a leg.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on December 28, 2007, 04:50:24 PM
HI BESO! Donotremove told me you were hereabouts.Here we are in Arg. living our magic realistic reality:

1.Yesterday a train went off by itself and ran across Mendoza and half San Luis for hours.

2.The country is doing great in spite of the Kirchner Dynasty.

3. I am selling well.

4.Mr Kirchner -big chief "Eye Looking Southeast"- is braving the Venezuelan jungles   ;)  in the Chavez charter to rescue the Colombian hostages.I so hope something goes wrong and they keep him *just to make sure*.

5. I am going to Cordoba hills, riding,trekking etc. dragging the Fiery Pen with me with some 3 to 4 bags "just in case we meet someone". I´ll spend a week in La Pampa de Achala -the Arg. version of Wuthering Heights -and the next week in La Cumbrecita -the 3rd. world version of The Sound of Music-. 


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on December 30, 2007, 04:20:17 PM
Martin,

I thought that was Kirchner in a photo with Oogoe, but the paper didn't mention him.

I wonder why he would voluntarily associate with such, aside from state visits. Hugo is political poison in some countries. I guess that makes Mr. K a buddy, like Ahmadinejad? But what do I know?

I see there is a showing of the spirits of NYT here. I'll have to say I learned a lot from that board, I still remember it well, and its characters. Daniel form Yaracuy still has a popular blog in Venezuela, brave guy, that: "Venezuela News and Views". DPecheny is apparently well involved in politics there in Argentina with Bullrich, I even saw a photo of him as candidate.

Glad to hear business is still so good; this as good a time as any to wish you and the whole board a very happy and prosperous new year!

Enjoy the treks to the country; I see the weather is clear and fine recently.








Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 02, 2008, 08:19:53 AM
beso1; Lucky you, having to keep your "name", I had to re-encarnate as El Portenito, from my previous bocajuniors, fasulo1 and fetuciniconalio fro the NYT. Do you know that we've been "known" to each other since 2001. Martinbeck3 was the first lost soul I'd encountered in the long gone Borges forum.

Have a Happy and fascist new year, you old reactionary rightist.

(just for good meassure and old times sake) (sake is always good warm) (revenge, instead, served cold)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 02, 2008, 08:22:48 AM
martinbeck3: You too, have a happy and olygarchic new year. Whatever commercial endevours you begin, may they all be successfull and materialy rewarding (and don't forget to pay your slaves their wages!!!)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 02, 2008, 08:27:00 AM
To all of Youse, have a happy new year. and remember, as Palito Ortega used to say:

"I have faith

that everytinig will change"

(Youse don't need to know who Palito ortega is, actualy, is better maybe if Youse don't ever know about him)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 02, 2008, 08:28:52 AM
..ok, I'll agree, he didn't say "everytining", but instead: "everything"


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on January 02, 2008, 04:19:13 PM
BOCA BEST ENEMY AND CO-PATRIOT, here I am in the hills of my native Cordoba.Ultra S/F Kool place.Like a real oligarch being attended on hand and foot and dragging the FP up and down hills while she´d rather get a suntan by the pool.

You don´t need to travel 12 hours to get a suntan! But here it´s much better because the sun is stronger and you sharrap,like the king said to Chavez por qué no te callas?-why doncha sharrap-

I wish you and your proletarian family lots of health,love and prosperity for THIS year.

"Tres cosas hay en la vida,salud, dinero y amor
y el que tenga estas tres cosas que le de gracias
a dios"

I sound like my step father god rest his soul.

Now .I think you are the best to translate this great poetic song by Argentine Poet Laureate Feliciano Brunelli for the benefit of our English speaking friends.

 


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on January 02, 2008, 09:12:01 PM
boca, fasulo, whatever

Have a Happy and fascist new year, you old reactionary rightist.

Ha!! Glad to have done so, the best to you as well!

One thing I can say is: you're consistent. Thing is: I am as well! :D

Be well, but don't change. That would be boring. Let's see if you can keep your nick here. Jeje.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 03, 2008, 06:41:33 AM
martinbeck3: Knowing you as I "know you", I can imagine black slaves cooking "masamorra" and and "chicharrone's cake" and other such colonial delicacies, while you gallop in pursue of nandues  just to get the breast and the leaving the rest to the "cimarron" dogs. You people were always like that and should not change just because is 2008.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 03, 2008, 06:44:05 AM
..I hate this keyboard, you press too hard and it doesn't "print", too soft and doesn't "print" either.  I miss the old UNDERWOOD, those were the days.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 03, 2008, 06:51:56 AM
martinbeck3: Would you believe that I was once a young public servant (briefly) working with one of these! (and it wasn't in 1901)

http://www.precision-dynamics.com.au/typewriters/underwood5.jpg


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on January 09, 2008, 06:59:25 PM
Why did Venezuela surrender to Chavez? By Carlos Alberto Montaner:

http://www.firmaspress.com/851.htm


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on January 11, 2008, 09:02:28 AM
beso1: it didn't surrender, Venezuela voted for Chavez, remember?....(and don't forget it either)


Title: More of same
Post by: beso1 on January 21, 2008, 07:26:19 PM
I saw a picture of Lula hee-hawing with Fidel.

One of Colom announcing socialist government in Guatemala, pledging new ties with Fidel, with blessings and a hug from Hugo.

Uribe called the FARC mafia terrorists. Oscar Arias, at his side, shut up.

One step forward, two steps back.

Bocajuniors will now resume, with why this is so great. I will shake my head...

"Tell me what I gotta do to get out of,
doing all these things twice 3X,4X,5X......"

Bob Dylan


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on February 02, 2008, 10:19:10 PM
Now Chavez and the superpower Nicaragua have declared a military "front" against the US. Other countries declined to participate. Oooh, what will the poor US do??

Ignore even more? Possible:^)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on February 03, 2008, 07:21:59 AM
beso1: Amazing!, when you decide to visit the forum so do I. Telepathy??....coinsidence?....fate?


Yes, you're right. Is a good thing that all those countries think so. As I used to say in the olden days of the NYT forum:

Viva Cuba!

Viva Fidel!

y la memoria de Che!!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on February 03, 2008, 07:28:24 AM
beso1: USA will always ignore us, Hillary woud ignore us, Obama would ignore us, and the other one, Whatsisname with the white hair would too.

Youse can't avoid it, its stronger than Youse.


"USA ignores us"  (copy it, paste it and print it in color, and then stick it to your bumperbar) (no, I'm not translating it)



And when USA remembers us is for some "non sancta" reason. So is better to be ignored.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on February 05, 2008, 01:49:49 PM

And when USA remembers us is for some "non sancta" reason. So is better to be ignored.

HA!! What do you mean US? Americans admire John Howard! They quote him!

Or have you finally moved to Cuba to be consistent with your posts??? If so, good on you!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on February 12, 2008, 10:25:42 PM
Hey-millions of Colombianos marched in Bogota and 125 other cities proclaiming:

"Soy Colombiano

No Mas FARC"

The message is pretty clear, I think.

In other news, OOgoe threatens to cut the US off from oil. Please, sooner than later! The price will drop to OOgoe, and the oil will still arrive in the US at market price! What a dope! I love it! I love the market system, too. HA!!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on February 20, 2008, 10:04:44 AM
Well, I don't have to wait in line to post here :^)

That economic genius, Hugo Chavez, has caused a rout on PVSA bonds, and the company is demanding payment in 8 days instead of the usual 30.

The genius has place price ceilings on food products, and Venezuelan products are flowing out of Venezuela.

JeJe, how many cracks can the vase sustain before crumbling? Depressingly, USSR lasted 70 years.

http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10696005


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on March 02, 2008, 05:42:50 PM
The second in command of the FARC Rául Reyes kicked the bucket.He was blown to pieces when he was identified while on his cell phone.I am so glad !


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on March 04, 2008, 10:52:32 AM
Are you ready for the pictures?

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=21147


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on March 04, 2008, 07:29:18 PM
Martin

Chavez said it was murder, now both Venezuelan and Ecuadorian troops are on the border! Chavez has tipped his hand on this one, correa is just a metoo.

It was hot in the jungle, gonna get hotter. Not boring, anyway. I think Ingrid will be out of the jungle soon, walking or prone. White flags soon in the jungle? Time to watch.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on March 05, 2008, 07:26:05 AM
...some people here would tell us about weapons of mass destruction soon. Not again the same nightmare, please!!. Not again the same bull's shaiza.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on March 05, 2008, 07:33:56 AM
A lifetime's accomplishments: poverty, despair, disappointment:

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-cubans5mar05,1,369456.story

At least Cuba can brag she's not contributing to the commodity shortage :^)
There are no commodities to consume in the Grand Socialist Republic!

BTW, latins, what is Spanish for commodities? Is there a better term than materia prima?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on March 07, 2008, 10:53:01 PM
...some people here would tell us about weapons of mass destruction soon. Not again the same nightmare, please!!. Not again the same bull's shaiza.


Yep, that's been mentioned, since Bush is involved in all this. I was going to  post this to Martin but he hasn't been in since reporting tornadoes which is a cause for concern.

You are in any case familiar with this person, I think?  Strictly through reading the media.  I had it explained to me three years ago that he was British but,do I recall any connection to Australia which keeps nagging me ?

http://www.gregpalast.com/

It's the overnight news from yesterday.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on March 11, 2008, 07:50:22 AM
beso1:

"BTW, latins, what is Spanish for commodities?


Comodidades, LOL!!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on March 11, 2008, 08:39:09 PM
Thx for your reply, but probably no cigar.

But it is true Cubanos lack comodidades, too. Be well.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on March 20, 2008, 06:18:05 PM
BESO, no commodities are not comodidades,Boca hasn´t been in Arg. for a long time. We say *comoditis* and everyone understands.

Now we are going through a rough time between the gvt. and the *campo* people.The taxes keep rising as more and more Argentine commodities are exported and the gvt. wants to get as much money from this as possible.So now they are going on strike and closing the routes so that nothing from the campo gets to the city.   


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on March 20, 2008, 06:23:55 PM
MADDIE, thanks for your concern.Luckily I wasn´t swept away by tornadoes but as global warming goes on I might any moment. Well, a new experience.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on March 20, 2008, 09:17:23 PM

Now we are going through a rough time between the gvt. and the *campo* people.The taxes keep rising as more and more Argentine commodities are exported and the gvt. wants to get as much money from this as possible.So now they are going on strike and closing the routes so that nothing from the campo gets to the city.   

So let me get this straight: the gov't is blocking foodstuff from getting to BA? Diverting everything to export? This is news, if so. Holy cow!

Also, is "commoditis" understood in other countries?

Yr. new icon is cool :^) Who is he?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on March 24, 2008, 06:33:47 PM
While poor compared to the United States, Cuba in 1958 had a per capita GDP of $3,170 according to the OECD. (Canada's was $8,947.). But Cuba outranked all other Latin American countries except four: Argentina, Chile, Uruguay and Venezuela.

Tellingly, in 1958, the island nation's per person wealth was higher than any East Asian country or colony, save Japan, which barely beat Cuba at only $3,290. Hong Kong had a per capita GDP of $2,924, Singapore's was $2,294, the Philippines' was $1,447, Taiwan's per person GDP stood at $1,387 and South Korea's was $1,112.

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Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on March 26, 2008, 03:03:09 PM
The guy is Alberto Olmedo -best comic actor to this day-.

The *campo* is not giving up.Queen Crisitna´s speech yesterday evening was so arrogant that people came out of their houses and got together in main street corners and started banging pots and pans against the politics of our government.They also got together for cacerolazo in every small town in the country.

At the Plaza de Mayo,right in front of Casa Rosada -sort of White House- was the largest crowd which manifested peacefully with women and children until 11pm. when Queen Cristina called on her brown shirts -the piqueteros- led by D´Elia and they started beating people with wooden sticks.Last Friday she had called Moyano and his gang of truckers against the *campo* strike.

Look this one is Evita come to life but worse.
The Kirchners have the governors of the three more important provinces, B.A.,Santa Fe and Cordoba, on their side.These governors collect the *campo* taxes and send it to the Pink House. So the provinces are poor though they contribute with the largest amount of money.

This money is used to pay the piqueteros and their bosses who got to where they are now by using the picketing sistem against Kirchner.Now they are his soldiers. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbA0xuimt24

See D´Elia hitting people.D´Elia is the fat slob :
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kVTEqkXrQo


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on March 26, 2008, 10:28:45 PM
Your reporting is very interesting: Pls keep it up...


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on March 27, 2008, 12:15:50 PM
Yesterday evening there was a second *cacerolazo* while Cristina was having dinner with....Francis Ford Coppola!!!

Once more her *brown shirts*,the piqueteros, attacked common people who were backing the *campo* with sticks.The socialists backed the campo,too.They have always accused the peronistas of being fascists.

I think the main discussion is not the taxes (45%) on the campo grains but the sort of country we want.

It is now the turning point.The world is hungry for grains and food and we are a blessed land in this.

If we take our historical turn point we will be in 10/15 years what we had once been (from 1880 to 1930)  the 7th. country in the world.

If not, we´ll go after the Venezuela,Bolivia,Cuba model.We are done forever.Very seldom will Luck knock on our door so hard.

Of course the *pueblo* can´t understand this.They are ignorant and kept in ignorance on purpose so that people like the Kirchners can do whatever they damn well like with them.They are given a washing machine when election comes and they´ll give their vote to the devil himself if asked to do so.They are instilled with class hate talk from the presidenta who uses the same kind of hate speech Evita made her trade mark on: rich against poor.All these  campaings ,  included the piqueteros, are paid with the taxes the Kirchners collect that is why they need more and more.
Not a single thing has this government produced for us (highways,etc)

Guess what?! Our routes are the same we had in 1930! Except for one highway entering B.A. and one going to Mar del Plata.Then from among our 40M inhabitants we get a % of 22 killed in road accident per day! Not one dam,nothing at all.

This is a federal republic but it´s the most unitarian federal republic you´ve ever seen.

Tonight the Presidenta will speak again at 7.00 pm. we´ll see how it comes out.It´s GOT to be a very calm speech very consiliatory,otherwise this goes up in flames.

All the routes crossing the country from north to south and from east to west
have been closed by the campo people.There is basically very little food arriving to B.A.

There are trilllions to be made by any company that would come and build highways, we already pay toll to use the two we have,so there won´t be any problem except that who will risk such an inversion with this gvt.
 
I feel tonight will be decided what kind of country we will have for the next 50 years. 


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on March 30, 2008, 09:08:15 AM
beso1:

"Tellingly, in 1958, the island nation's per person wealth was higher than any East Asian country or colony, save Japan, which barely beat Cuba at only $3,290. Hong Kong had a per capita GDP of $2,924, Singapore's was $2,294, the Philippines' was $1,447, Taiwan's per person GDP stood at $1,387 and South Korea's was $1,112."

In the so called "third countries", GDP is a fiction, you take the leonine share of the oligarchies and other memebers of the economic elite,and then divide it by ALL the inhabitants of the country and , hey presto!,you arrive to, let's say, 5 thousand dollars a year. Great!!

But THE MAJORITY is either unemployed, sub-employed or surviving on "changas", sporadic work, or either VERY low wages. But ofcourse, when you read the economic reports sounds and looks very good.

And YOU KNOW this is so, and was so in Cuba, and even in Argentina was then and still is  now.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on March 30, 2008, 09:09:30 AM
beso1: I'm sorry, I ment to write "third world countries". Bed time, early rise tomorrow.


Title: !!
Post by: elportenito1 on March 30, 2008, 09:17:10 AM
Martin: I'm of farmer stock, these "farmers" who lead the protest are not exactly "campesinos", buth rather big landholder, what in Australia is called "grassiers". Estancieros used to be called in Argentina.

The real "small" producers hope to get something. BUT, the REAL forces behind all this are the multinational agribusiness who OWN 60+ % of farming land in Argentina.

In the "barrios" there's nothing to buy at the supers (supermarkets) I know, my rellos told me by phone. This is an old "technike" it was used by the "momios" of the Chilean oligarchy against the democraticaly elected government of Salvador Allende.

The same banging of "empty" pots and pans. After all, they invented the thing.


Fuerza Cristina!!!!, carajo!!!


D'Elia  is the best we've got .

We could do better, but what can we do about it?....bad times for the production of working class heros in these bloody postmodern and globalized times!, Martin.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on April 03, 2008, 06:48:44 AM
Martin, Fasulo, its making news. Sounds like a temporary truce has been called. I doubt enough food for BA soon, though?

Martin, I hope the Peronists hire someone with at least an inkling of  economic education: it is foolish to discourage exports in a country with such a huge "exported" debt, imo. And taxes discourage any activity they tax. We've been through this all so many times....

Leftists have the disadvantage of philosophical blindness. Hugo recently capped the price of foodstuffs, then hit the roof when the farmers refused to produce or they exported to neighboring countries. What...does he really think the farmers can subsidize food supply in Caracas???

You're a business man, Martin, and you know what it will take to fill in this hole dug in the 90's: fiscal responsibility and increasing exports (revenue). Peronists need to give way; they had their chance, imo

Enjoyed yr reports.



Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 03, 2008, 07:41:12 AM
beso: The whole thing boils down to this:

THE AGRIBUSINESS MULTINATIONALS DON'T WANT TO PAY TAXES FOR THE BENEFIT OF aRGENTINA

they're ment to send dividends to the overseas  shareholders.

That's what happens when a country is SOLD, as Argentina WAS. (60+ % of Argentina's farming land is in foreign hands, that is "hands" that remain overseas, comprendey, beso?)


(ofcourse, the small producers want something to fall from the table to the floor so that they too can feed on it, its just an old Argentine story revisited)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on April 03, 2008, 03:27:39 PM
BOCA,please read ANY Argie newspaper! Guess who is one of the largest landowners? Moyano the union leader of the camioneros,who has bought a 4000 hectareas estancia worth 4M U$A.

There are only a few real large estancieros.Remember that inour country whe n the owner dies the inheritance is divided amon all his children.These remaining rich landowners won´t suffer too much with these *retenciones* but it´s the small ones who will have to close down.These retenciones were 35% before -plus all the taxes any business pays-just 5 days before they harvest the soy the gvt. comes out with a new retencion which adds 10% more.

The *paro* was voted all over the country in every small or large pueblo by public assemblies where not only the ruralistas discussed but every one in the pueblo like the round the corner pharmacist to the dressmaker.Read well, PUBLIC ASSEMBLY! The whole interior pueblos live from the campo and the campo with all its derivatives offers 40% of the jobs in the country.

The 4 campo organizations were together as one for the first time in history plus the *autoconvocados* who belong to none of them.

Yesterday they got together at noon in the route in Gualeguaychu .It was massive.They have given the gvt. 30 days to come to a decission through an open dialogue with the campo otherwise they will cut the routes again.

They also want this to be a true Federal country like our Constitution reads.The provinces want to manage their own tax money  and so decide how to spend it instead of sending everything to the Kirchner account in B.A.

Guess who were in Cristina´s plaza the day after the cacerolazos? the union leaders and all the bossess of the *plan trabajar* with their *mazorqueros*.They paid $50 to each of them, bought them a choripan and a coke,sent them in buses and period .How do the K´s pay for this? With our money.

Do you really think that this Unitario gvt. is democratic in Argentina they are growing each day more like the old Peron days.

Cristina puts on an Evita impersonation that chills your blood.   


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 06, 2008, 11:19:21 AM
Martinbeck3:

"BOCA,please read ANY Argie newspaper! Guess who is one of the largest landowners? Moyano the union leader of the camioneros,who has bought a 4000 hectareas estancia worth 4M U$A."

That's not true, Martin!!...you lie, you lie, you lie!!...Moyano is a worker, a fighter for workers rights!!!

OK, Moyano is a bastard. But excepting you, is there anyone else who is NOT a bastard in Argentina?.....


Repat with me slowly: The "ruralistas" give themselves up with that name: "RURALISTAS"

Can't you see all the connotations of the word, how odd the word is, how technocratic, how inhuman, how cold, how businesslike, how non-Argentine, how far from the country and how close to the globalized jargon the word is?


If the heavies on the government side are "mazorqueros", and to a great extent, unfortunately for the country, they bloody are. The "ruralistas" are the old oligarchy pluss broadband.

Are we going to see a Battle of Cepeda again in Argentina?.....

A mellar los cuchillos y a degollar despacio, canejo, uijaa!!!!




mama mia, que ispa!!





Plus sa change.....


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on April 23, 2008, 11:43:56 AM
Time is running short.The deadline is May 2.The country is literally burning.See SMOKE. Who on earth would be the boludo who would burn the grass just  WINTER.

The ruralistas are the 4 campo orgs. one of them is as comunist as you are and what´s more the *autoconvocados* have joined from the beginning-free campo people-.The small and large pueblos,too as their economies are in danger if the campo is hit. BTW, so is all of Argentina´s.

The time for planting wheat is right now and no one is doing this because they are not sure what will the gvt. come up with.

The only ones that back the Ks are the mobs they bring from the poor suburbs who are paid 50 pesos to get into the bus and 50 more when they return.

Now the Ks have created a new gvt.office to control the press! How about that! I think that any moment you´ll be happy to return since this country looks more and more like Venezuela every day. The Ks are trying to create a feeling of campo vs. city.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on April 23, 2008, 11:44:53 AM
BOCA, have you had any contact with Daniel? I wonder how he feels about this mess.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 24, 2008, 11:18:38 AM
martinbeck3: I was wanderingthe empty allyways at the Latinamerican literchure asking if anyone has seen you, and here you are, aca taaaaaa!!!,

Li haw mah ,panniao!!

The whole fire thing is something dirthy, nothing to do with any paddock burning to get the soil ready for ploughing. This, methinks, has to do with the strategy to destabilize all the governments who don't fit in the Department of State''s picture.

Something's cooking, and it doesn't smell good.(no pun about the smoke)

I tell you what didn't smell good either, the "mechanical" problems at the Irizar navy ship doing the Antarctic run for our boys at the Antarctic bases.

Unfriendly times are coming in this world, gloves off, which in the Antarctic would be numbing.

No, I haven't "heard" from Daniel, by now we are the last of the Mohicans, and as Mohicans go, not exactly the more energetics of the tribe.

Where were you?...painting the chicken coop?....

Now if you excuse me, I have to make everything ready for the trip, we're going to China with the half-oil drums with my brother in law, The Cholo, we're taking 600 kilos (1200 pounds) of the best chorizos from Carniceria Rodriguez, in Yagoona to sell at the limpics, if the weather helps us, we may make as much money as we did at the soccer world cup in Korea. If everything goes as planed, the patronas will send us another refrigerated container with more chorizos.

Look out for the plume of white smoke coming form atop the public stands, the Chinese government already gave us the permit to sell choripan all around Beiging, they're big on garlik, so the chimichurry we'll make it over there.

Did you see me today at the limpic torch rellay?, I was the one running beside the big chinese bodyguard with a Boca Juniors jersey and a choripan sandwich in hand, that was so that my rellos in Argentina would recognise me . They say I was a whole minute on screen at the evening news in Buenos Aires, they even saw the part where the chinese gave a bite to the choripan sandwich while I was waveing the chinese flag for him.

It was great to be there, it'll be great to be in Beigign and to bring choripan to the hungry Chinese masses. Our intention is to sell just ONE choripan to every Chinese man, woman and child, that's why we're bringing with us extra BBQ beads.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 24, 2008, 11:22:04 AM
Martinbeck3: Who's the one in the picture?...you?, Coquito?....Donia Annunziata's son from around the corner?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on April 24, 2008, 12:21:50 PM
Boquita,that guy is Alfredo de Angelis the leader od one of the campo orgs.BTW yesterday he was interviewed on TV and he said he had voted Pino Solanas,socialist,chupate esta mandarina!

I think your idea of selling one choripan per chinese is the best I´ve ever heard.I might join you with a plate to put under the choripan.Just imagine selling plates to the chinese ,como naranja en el Paraguay.I sell plenty of chinese pottery.

O.K. now I have to go and check and see what the obreros are doing in the new showroom I´m building.It´s quite a gang.They are all from Corrientes and higher up.The capataz ,Angelito, is always smiling ,the three others that help him are from Paraguay and they are very young ,thin,white, tall and speak a non identifiable jargon a mix of guaraní and something else our paraguayita, La Nati, can´t understand. They look at me when I speak spanish as if I was some god whose mighty words they couldn´t make up but were missing some Amazing Philosophical Truth. I sort of fell like Moses (Charlton Heston) descending with the 10 commandments.

   


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on April 24, 2008, 01:22:35 PM
Whoa, Martin, back up the truck.  You are "building" a new showroom?  Let's see now, you've got a showroom at ground level, living quarters on the second floor, so I can assume you are "remodeling" the old ground floor show room?  You bought out a neighbor and are expanding laterally?

You speak Spanish?  Good Lord, I learn something new about you every day.

Plates to the Chinese?  I thought they ate everything with those sticks and their fingers.  People think the Chinese are inscrutable.  Heck, they're just operating in slow motion because their heads are full of the Chinese characters of their language--300 different ones!

Those Paraguayans are VERY smart, Martin.  They have fixed it so's the government still pays wages to workers on a railroad that hasn't run an engine or a railroad car for 20 years.  They've got a lot of neat stuff like that.  'Course in Paraguay you can't stand still outdoors overnight or you'll be killed by vines.  Those workers you've got building for you are probably enjoying the rest; not having to watch out for killer vegetation.

You think BocaJunior is really going to China or is pulling our leg?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on April 25, 2008, 12:31:45 AM
Donotremove,  He sounds very enthused so I think it best he go and participate in every way;  they will do wonders for his outlook on the world. It's their calling in life.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 25, 2008, 08:51:30 AM
donotremove: "People think the Chinese are inscrutable."

Oh, no, donot, they are scrutable, but you have to scrute them carefully as they are made of china......


(what  d'you expected for free?...Woody Allen?...)


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 25, 2008, 08:58:40 AM
I'm going to China allright, we've got everything ready, we did it in Korea for the coccer world cup, and we'll do it for China now:

Introducing fine Argentine cuisine to the world via the half forty gallon oil drum BBQ, Argentina's gift to the art of grilling, move aside tandoor!!!, Youse haven't seen anything yet untill you've eaten CHORIPAN, a delicacy that leaves far behind any culinary clasic of French or any other tradition.

Only Elvis' fried peanut butter sandwiches can compete with OUR sacred Choripan. If after seeing Naples the only thing left is dyeing, after eating choripan from our mobile gourmet outpost dying is a possibility which only ads thrill and excitement to the undescribable taste experience.

China, here we come!!!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 25, 2008, 09:01:54 AM
..please don't ask me what is "coccer", Youse are old enough to know it.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 25, 2008, 09:16:35 AM
Having said this, I retire to my bed to have a deserved night rest. Friday, ANZAC day in Australia, a public holiday, commemoration of the Australian who died in war. Too many, if you ask me, every generation, like in the USA, have to give its offering  of blood to the gods of war.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on April 25, 2008, 09:51:12 AM
BocaJunior, especially at Gallopoli (spelling?).

If it turns out you are spinning a cyberspace fancy about going to China, I'm gonna . . . well, I'll think of something.  Can you believe that the Paraguayan workers Martin has hired thinks he's Moses because he can speak Spanish.  I always thought that Moses spoke Hebrew, but what do I know.  I will have to take Martin's word for it.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on April 25, 2008, 08:52:55 PM
I come to find that our old hosts, NYTimes, are experiencing huge cutbacks. They were good hosts when they existed, let's have a moment of silence...

Argentina: my best hopes. Buck up, this too, will pass.

Fasulo, since you are going to China (I've seen this movie before) please keep an eye out for a new Mao. I have come to think that Communism is the cure for the world's ills, as you always say. Those countries, especially those who choose communism will be especially blessed, as they choose to deprive themselves for the greater good, and consume less commodities such as petroleum, metals, building supplies, and water.

Let's bring commodities prices down again, through Communism! GO FASULO! Find another Mao, my blessing

YEAH!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 28, 2008, 10:12:48 AM
beso1: See?...I've told you one hundred and twentysix thousand times, and I'm not exagerating. Communism beats capitalism hands down.

(just wait and see)



Now seriously, individualist egotism may conker the world, but who would it (he as we would say in Spanish, but can't say in English) play with on weekends?....


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 28, 2008, 10:15:10 AM
Reppent and be humble, and judiciously walk towards the nearest Communist Party Recruiting Office. No questions asked.

The Communist Party welcomes Youse all.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 28, 2008, 10:21:34 AM
Donotremove: Yes, he (Moses) did speak Hebrew, but with a heavy Spanish accent.


I AM going to China to sell choripan sandwiches at the limpics, Rodriguez is already working overtime to make all the chorizos we've ordered, and freezing them since last November. No fancy whatsoever, are we Argentines known for being a bit overgrown in our tall stories?, ofcourse not.  You can always trust what a Argentine says, and buy a car from him/her with closed eyes. Allthough is not advisable to keep them closed while driving away after the sale.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 28, 2008, 10:23:33 AM
Rodriguez is the Spanish butcher from Yagoona who always makes the chorizos we take to sell at international events, like the Soccer World Cup in Korea, and now The Beiging Limpics.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 28, 2008, 10:24:11 AM
...where is The Martin?......


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on April 28, 2008, 10:37:47 AM
Bocajuniors, Rah-ool in Coo-bah is really making the news by his lifting some of the restrictions on Coo-bahns, allowing Internet, cell phones, private home ownership. Even some of the die hards in Miami are starting to change their minds about "Boycott Coo-bah Forever (or until Castro dies)."  The Bush administration will not bend, though.  It will take a new democratic president to do that.

Good luck on the chorizos staying frozen till you need them thawed in B-cheng.  Try not to breathe in and out while you're there.  The air is poisonous.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 28, 2008, 10:40:13 AM
donotremove: The spelling is Gallipoly, the Turk call it Gallibolu, the spelling is changed in English, as in Napoli- Naples /Venecia-Venice  /Roma-Rome / Genova-Genoa  /Firence-Florence/ Moskva -Moscow/ etc.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on April 28, 2008, 10:47:28 AM
donmotremove:

"Good luck on the chorizos staying frozen till you need them thawed in B-cheng.  Try not to breathe in and out while you're there.  The air is poisonous."

Your coment on the air reminds me of old flyingVprod, he used to say very nasty things about China, but yes, they DO have a bit of  a problem.

As you probably know, we Australians have been forbiden from speaking ill about China by our beloved Cahirman Kev who has some deep hipnotic powers, and if you think or say anything that can be deemed bad, about China, he  out-thinks you into submission with his powerfull Mandarin mind. He can perform some ancient Chinese tricks and magic passes which render the individual completely powerless.

Our beloved Chairman has said some very strong and powerfull words about the Tibetans, You know the Tibetans?...they also say ill words about China, and that is something the beloved leaders of China and Australia can't stand.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on April 28, 2008, 11:52:47 AM
Elportenito, that's what you get when you let just anybody vote for government representatives.  You get lying imperialistic bastards running the show, oppressing desent of any kind as treasonous.  Sometimes you can't really tell the difference between Democracy and tyranny.  Anyway, while you're in China, don't mention the words "Tibet" or Dali Lama."  I'd even stay away from Llama, even if you see one going down the street.

Martin is directing his Paraguayan crew as they build his new showroom.  Did you know there are lots of Basques in Paraguay?  Those Basques are pretty damn smart.  You can tell a Basque even if he's hiding in plain sight.  The ears.  Basques have very long ears. We need to tell Martin to check the ears on those guys.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on April 29, 2008, 08:50:41 PM
Elport:^))

Good luck at The Beiging Limpics. Make a bundle. Tell Rodriguez HI.

Yeah, I want you to convert the Chinese back to Communist. Tell 'em I said it was alright! We're counting on you. If you convert one, give him a free choripan, my tab.

Donotremove

Do the ears reach the shoulder? Get me a photo!



Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on April 30, 2008, 12:53:33 AM
Beso1, no, no. Basque ears are just big.  By the way, I'm not denigrating Basques by talking about their ears.  Basques were/are a mighty and proud people.  Modern Spain owes its very existence to the Basques, even though the Spaniards have done their damnest to kill them off over historical time.  Kinda like cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.  The French (along Spain's Northern border) owe the Basques gratitude, too.  Read Mark Kurlansky's The Basque History of the World if you are interested in Basques.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on April 30, 2008, 04:22:51 PM
LONG LIVE THE BASQUES:

http://www.debenhams.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/category_10001_10001_18485_-1



Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on April 30, 2008, 05:02:06 PM
Martin, those are the best looking Basques I have ever seen.  I hope me morals police weren't monitoring my computer as I gazed upon the content of your link. If I hear a knock on my door, is it all right if I blame you for having a language problem?

How's the showroom coming?  You never did say whether the new room was a redo of the old room.  Bet the FP is complaining the construction is letting sawdust get into her food.

What's this about Christina and Nestor not letting Isabella Peron come back home?  Your farmers still blocking the roads?  There are rumors here about a loaf of bread rising to $6US.

Keep us informed, Martin.  Press news about Argentina is scarce up here what with preachers and gasoline going ballistic. 


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 01, 2008, 11:03:27 AM
DON,BOCA, as soon as I am back from where the FP is dragging me to I´ll post .I´ve read all your posts and have some interesting feedback. Today it´s Labor Day but tomorrow I´ll look at the Paraguayos ears and see whether they are long.I also have a Paraguaya girl,Natalia, working at the store and she´s also white and freckled but she says she can´t make a word out of what the guys are saying.Maybe it´s better for her. 


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on May 02, 2008, 01:00:40 AM
martinbeck3

We just call your Labor Day, our May Day. But like you, we celebrate Labor Day when it becomes our Autumn (which is what you are having now, preparing for  Winter).


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on May 03, 2008, 11:39:50 AM
elportenito1

Please take a look at this article at this forum above.


Re: Asia
« Reply #43 on: Today at 03:34:25 AM »


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on May 05, 2008, 12:20:03 AM
elportinito1

Have another, down in Campaign Forum, from grannynanny writing to The Root, in Washington,D.C., describes herself as Indigene and has very interesting comments on the Obama campaign re: Wright or vice-versa. Don't know if that pulled up anybody short among the people who put out The Root?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 05, 2008, 12:13:15 PM
O.K. here I am after being taken here and there all weekend by you know who.
My country´s government is going totally cuckoo.Cristina and Mr.K are in hiding in their nest down in Lago Argentino ,Santa Cruz where they have locked themselves for the weekend without any one but the maids and secretary.

The *campo* is on the verge of going up in flames,cutting roads, hi-ways etc.
After a month of talking the conclusion is the same.The campo will be penalized for producing so much by having more taxes.

Do you know that if the campo is allowed to export freely the rest of the Argentine population could be fed gratis? Can you imgine a gvt. so stupid as to not understand this very simple example.The meat we export is the sort of meat our pueblo dosen´t eat like old cows for tinned meat or meat cuts we don´t use.
 
The quid of the question is Cristina and MrK won´t return the taxes to the provinces but they will handle the taxes themselves. That is why you see no hungry people in B.A. city and suburbs and you see them in the poorer provinces.Thin like a grown woman weighing 35 kilos.(70 pounds) . This way the gvt. has its slaves rough and ready to jump into fight -as they did when pro campo people took the Plaza the Mayo with their pots and pans banging-these hooligans came charging on with poles as large as baseball bats.

The K´s keep harping about the 70´s and have done nothing yet.We are sick n´ tired of the 70´s we want to get on and the 70´s is their only subject. Except that they are now planning a bullet train from B.A. to Cordoba that will cost a fortune instead of fixing up all the trains we have that are not running leaving many villages isolated, trains that could carry grains to the B.A. and other harbors for exportation.

This is an instance in our history like there has never been before.Our land is so fertile that we can go from rags to riches in less that 5 years with all the world needing grains and biofuel and our fields brimming full of them.The campo people just wrap them round in special grain bags and won´t let go until the gvt. takes back the last *-surprise tax* they planted on March10 right when they were harvesting. 

Do you know that we have tons of oil it is easy to pump it out as it all lies in the soil but no one dares make such an investment for fear of the two maniacs coming out with another surprise tax or deciding "now the oil belongs to the People".

In LatAm lit we are reading Blindness (Saramago) where a whole country goes blind,well this is exactly the opposit the Kirchners have gone blind while every Argentine sees the great future we are missing.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 05, 2008, 12:31:02 PM
DON,LORD OF THE FLYING RED HORSE, I´ve just checked on the Paraguayos and they don´t have large ears but they are real while,blond and freckled and they speak this unscrutable language that sounds like guaraní but it´s not ?!).


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on May 05, 2008, 06:09:20 PM
Martin, your Parguayan workers are probably of German ancestry.  Wikipedia says:

"Not completely homogeneous, Paraguay has a history of other settlement esp. in the 20th century: Germans, the majority are Mennonites with long-reigned dictator Alfredo Stroessner himself of German ancestry, Japanese with Okinawans, Koreans, ethnic Chinese, Arabs, Ukrainians, Southern Europeans, Brazilians and Argentines are among those who have settled in Paraguay."

Or not.  Who knows, eh?  I don't know what to tell you about Christina and Nestor, the bastards.  I can't fault the farmers however hard it makes things for everyone.

Whadaya mean you're sending worst cuts of old beef to us up here?  How naughty.  I've stopped eating beef and drinking milk.  I'm on strike from Big Agriculture and dairies feeding corn to animals that can't digest it (cows,) then shooting them full of antibiotics because they get sick. I'm trying to avoid anything with corn syrup and/or fructose (found EVERYWHERE it seems when you start reading food labels.)

You can bet that bullet train to Cordoba will pour money into the pockets of your ruling duo and their rich friends.  What do they care if the train is needed or not.  It's the same way up here in the U.S.  Lots of boondoggles that send taxpayer dollars straight into the pockets of the wealthy.

You can counter the "minimalist" decor in loft by wearing lots of red.  That way you won't get lost in all the grey and beige and white (lots of chrome, too, I suppose?).


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 06, 2008, 11:00:15 AM
DON, yes! lots of chrome!Tomorrow is the campo´s deadline.This is going to be serious staff.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on May 07, 2008, 07:23:33 PM
Martin,

Whatta mess. Do the campesinos have the power to defy the K's? Can they move or only negotiate?

Seems to me like export-of whatever-is the ticket. Is there possibility of a standoff between the executive and the Asamblea (congress)?

Anyhow, keep us up to speed...


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 09, 2008, 11:07:31 AM
SORRY IT´S IN SPANSIH BUT IT´S THE FKNG TRUTH:

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=XANFt6B8k6M&feature=related


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 09, 2008, 11:15:33 AM
BOQUITA,
A tango as always the lyrics are perfect:

let´s dance: chan! chan!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3zEzLOzB5A&NR=1


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 09, 2008, 11:37:06 AM
BESO and other SouthAm friends:

this is really a very strong historical time for Argentina.The K´s are ruling the country by themselves,nothing is decided by the Congreso as the majority is theirs (feels like the Ceausescus in Roumania).

The quid of the matter is that all governors of the provinces have to  send( K´s orders) all the money their provinces are making to the K´s in B.A.From B.A. the gvt(the K´s) decide which province receives money back and how much.

This way they have trapped all governors who are not responding to their people but to B.A.

The *campo people* is formed by four organizations and the independants,small,medium and large landholders, and every one of these orgs. has formed a solid block for the first time in history-as their political ideas are quite different-.

Yesterday they have started closing routes all along the country.They are powerful as they can shut all goods from getting anywhere.They have decided that only *perishable* food will pass (milk,fruit etc.).

We will see if the governors are real federalists and back their voters in their provinces or have been bought by the K´s so that they can gain time and continue stealing.

Mails keep going round reminding the Argentines of the Boston Tea Party, the Cromwell revolution and the French Rev.

When the state grabs 41% percent of what a farmer makes it only means they have gone to far and must be stopped.

The K´s need to raise taxes to keep their *welfare state* that is why they grabbed the extra 10% just before the harvest.

ALL the campo pueblos and ALL the cities in the country are backing the campo with *cacerolazos" -pots and pans banging-.

The whole country is with the -campo*. 

It is totally psychopathic that right now when we are full of food that can feed the world and more we are stopped by the K administration.Even Uruguay has exported more meat than we have!



Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on May 09, 2008, 09:05:25 PM
"When the state grabs 41% percent of what a farmer makes it only means they have gone to far and must be stopped."

Have to agree there: you guys have interesting times ahead! Go, campesinos! Why are we not getting this on mainstream news? Sounds like a turning point, to me.

Stock up on food, when you can.

And be well


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on May 11, 2008, 08:47:15 PM
Oldtimers NYT:

Have any of you seen evidence of CmdteJuan on the internet boards?

He appeared to me to be a Union sympathiser in Colombia, and his posts stopped abrubtly.

While I am not a union sympathiser, he seemed articluate and smart, and I would hate to think something happened to him...


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 12, 2008, 01:44:04 PM
No idea.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on May 18, 2008, 09:39:13 AM
donotremove:

"You can tell a Basque even if he's hiding in plain sight.  The ears.  Basques have very long ears. We need to tell Martin to check the ears on those guys."

I've just checked my wife's ears, and you're wrong, Basque ears are not long. My wife, when younger, used to look a lot like Maribel Verdu, but then I also used to look like Gerard Depardieu, let's say that today we both are not as cinematic as we used to be.


http://www.magazinedigital.com/media/3857.jpg


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on May 18, 2008, 05:37:25 PM
Wow, Boca, I'm green with envy (as green as your kitchen after you repainted last year) at the thought of your wife, even with some age added.  No wonder you stay close to home.

The ears thing is only with the men, and that would be only for pure Basque.  And, as with anything else that is called a "trait" among ethnic groups, big ears doesn't hold true with every one of the group.  I have big ears myself and I'm Scots/Irish/German.  I think it's true that ears and noses keep growing as long as we live so I may end up the "Dumbo" of my family.

How's the food situation where you live?  With "locavore" becoming popular (due to high fuel prices,) some of us have changed the way we think about foods we put on the table.  What, where it came from, and environment costs to produce.  I've cut way back on red meat since corn is used to fatten it up and I'm having a tizzy fit about big-ag corn growers. Argentine grass-fed beef would be best but Martin says they send us only the oldest, junk cuts. Do you have a garden or go to a local farmer's market?  I never really think about Australia as having anything to eat except sheep.

Remember, while you're in China, don't breathe the air, drink the water, or stay in a building.  Rent a room from a local that has a house made of wood.  Or just roll up in a sleeping bag somewhere on that big square they've got.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on May 19, 2008, 08:46:21 PM
Take mosquito repellent. That what we keep reading since the earth quake with everybody sleeping outdoors.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on May 19, 2008, 09:58:24 PM
Elport:

Whoa, I thought you had already been to China!

Anyway, we are all counting on you to convince them to go back Communist! Best of luck, there.

Depardieu? Really? The nose knows :^) Who would notice ears?

Cheers


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 20, 2008, 01:03:56 PM
BOQUITA, Maribel Verdú!!! wow the wife!!!    ::)

I´ll check on the Fiery Pen I think she looks like Goldie Hawn on a wet day but O.K."es lo que hay"(*),as we now say in Arg.

(*) that´s what we have

Now, on the other side I look like Brad Pitt but with brown hair.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 20, 2008, 01:04:36 PM
sorry,now that I´m older I look like George Clooney


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on May 24, 2008, 05:42:40 PM
http://www.economist.com/world/la/displaystory.cfm?story_id=11293743

http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?source=hptextfeature&story_id=11412645

Read 'em and weep


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on May 24, 2008, 09:17:30 PM
But then....

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/world/international-colombia-farc.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on May 27, 2008, 08:41:27 AM
beso1:

"Whoa, I thought you had already been to China!"

As they say here: "you keep the bastards honest", or in other words, (wite) liers must be very consistent with you being around.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on May 27, 2008, 08:52:19 AM
Martinbeck3: Yes, Gerard Depardieu, and La Verdu,why?....you don't believe me?....would you believe me then the other actor, whatshisname?...the one dancing with Jenifer Lopez in that movie....

http://www.megghy.com/immagini/cover_dvd/s/Shall_We_Dance-front.jpg

Yeah!...I would say Richard Gere and La Lopez represent much better our actual and present appearance, allthough I don't have any white shirt as we speak.



Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on May 27, 2008, 08:59:27 AM
beso1: Ceristina is right, taxes must be paid, in the USA , in Australia or in Argentina.

NO, theres no iterference of Venezuela or Ecuador in Colombia, the only (continuous) influence is that of the USA in Latin America.

"Colombian Rebel Chief Dies After Four Decades Of War"

Forty years!...and Dubya is about to throw the towell after how long ?....


F..K You Yama is being interviewed on tv by Tony Johnes as we speak.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on May 27, 2008, 07:13:52 PM
Don't worry el portenito 1, the whole frugging family will  try to relocate
to Sud America which is the only place they've groomed, at least his old man didn't try to alienate all of
"old" Europe at once, like sonny-boy's loud mouthed administration.

(Although if they'd known what he was up to at the time....)

Sonny found it ungraciously hot in the other S.A when he pleaded to have the price of petroleum reduced.  They just smiled. Recalling the guy who used to work with his Dad in Afghanistan who was so insistent that Americans be kept out of the Saudi Arabian peninsula.

Tell me, do you think Patagonia would be comfortable for the extended family when they are forced into exile? Would they march with the penguins?                       


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 28, 2008, 03:44:22 PM
BESO, I had read the Economist on The K Lady.

The K´s are going crazy as they sit alone surrounded by senators,governors and mayors that have been bought by them.

We are losing with these maniacs the last chance in history to go back to what we once were.

A 10% tax on grains added to the already existing 35% just a few days into the harvest is not what you could call fair plat (though I never expected a Peronista to be one).

BOCA, you´d be surprised but out of the four campo orgs. two are led by socialist leaders.The *autoconvocados*´leader,whcih would be a sort of ultra-democratic org. but is not an org! -my avatar Alfredo
D´angeli- voted super socialist Pino Solanas. 

See for yourself:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/26/world/americas/26argentina.html?scp=3&sq=argentina&st=cse



Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on May 28, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
Martin, there will never be a "last chance" for Argentina; some day she'll shine.

But I've said it before, bears repeating, you cannot overburden producers and expect them to fork over the lion's share of income to the government. They will just stop producing, or go black-market when they can. That country, every country, needs exports, to sell the products they are best suited to produce, in order to import the products they are least-suited to produce.

The real risk is to ride so hard, that it demoralizes the producers. Even the most determined fires will succumb to the relentless fire hose. Once the human spirit is crushed, it is much harder to revive!

Governments just need to get out of the way, and give the fires air. I'll die saying it.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: martinbeck3 on May 29, 2008, 12:45:20 PM
BESO PRESIDENTE!!! BESO PRESIDENTE!!!
You are totally right.Most small and medium campo producers have already gone black otherwise they can´t survive.What the gvt. offers is that they go white and get some taxes back but if they so they die.The big ones will swallow all the small ones and then there will be only a few big producers and the K´s are very efficient at convincing a few with some money.This -to BOCA´s suprise- is a movement called by the independant small producers,mostly gringos descendants.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on June 01, 2008, 10:21:24 AM
Martin, beso, madupont, e tutti cuanti:

NO, the "ruralists" are a TROYAN horse, a splinter under the nail of democraticaly elected governements in Latin America, orchestrated by we all know "who", as the Santa Cruz de La Sierra separatist movement of Bolivia, this is pure "gorillism" (from gorilla) a la 1955.

These people, are simply orchestrating a coup d' etat, only that his time the army can't be seen (yet?) this is as UNDEMOCRATIC (ANTIDEMOCRATICO) as the worse of the previous coups by the oligarchies of Latin America, only that now the technics are diferent, the useful idiots (idiotas utiles) are behaving exactly the same as they always did in the past (1976)

The privilleged want to keep being just that, privilleged. And in order to do so, they won't stop at anything. For the time being the thing is "mild", as mild as cripling the economy can be.


This hasn't ended yet, and the end of it might be anything yet.

THIS IS SERIOUS.

damaging to the economy and menacing to the popullation in general. This is simply the FACE of globalism showing itself for the first time this century in ALL its brutal ugliness.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on June 01, 2008, 01:47:34 PM
martinbeck3

First thing that I saw this morning, when I went on-line.

http://autos.aol.com/article/news/_a/argentine-family-spends-47-days-in-81/20080530093509990001?ncid=AOLCOMMautodynlsec0004


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on June 08, 2008, 09:30:38 PM
HA!! Elport, you always give me a giggle. Farmers as priveleged? Is that what you really say?

Confirm, please, I read you right (your message WAS a bit befuddling). Another 4X evening?


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on June 09, 2008, 07:27:29 AM
Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chavez has indicated eagerness to "work with" the new US President, acknowledging at the same time that only one, Obama, has said he would meet Hugo while McCain refused. I imagine his vision is US money and Hugo direction:^) Hugo endorses Barack Hussein.

I'm sure it's soon Fidel will endorse BO, as well.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: elportenito1 on June 16, 2008, 10:03:25 AM
beso1: Even you will HAVE to endorse Obama,

"apres moi le delluge"   Obama, the man with the mojo.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on June 16, 2008, 09:33:58 PM
Whoa, hope not:^)

Are farmers privileged??? Essential question!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: Donotremove on June 21, 2008, 02:44:58 PM
Martin, there's an article by Maxine Swann about Buenos Aires (she's lived there the last seven years) in the NYTimes Book Review:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/19/garden/19argentina.html?ref=books

The view of Plaza Las Heras she and her former husband, Juan, a native Argentinian, had from their first apartment there is lovely with the BA skyline in the background.  Be sure to look at the slide show that accompanies the article.  Such an interesting place you live in my friend.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on June 21, 2008, 03:43:35 PM
Martin,

http://blog.aclu.org/2008/06/10/ariel-dorfman-speaks-out/

This is what got me in trouble over a year ago when I mentioned that Dorfman called for Christopher Reeve to fly down and join demonstration of protest against the gov't.

I was followed around for a bit by a fellow who claimed he was living there, in school, and not able to find access to books (suppressed) but then denied there was any suppression of intellectuals.  He sounded like a very confused person who wanted to believe two opposing  concepts of which was the reality?





Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on June 21, 2008, 06:45:00 PM
Martin and other Argies:

I read the shelves are getting bare in the markets in Argentina. How are you guys coping? Not eating dogs, yet, are you? :^)

In other news, Ortega in Nicaragua has manuevered opposition parties into non-registry for future elections: Chaves will be watching this one closely! Sounds like even the Sandinistas can't stand, my oh my. Ortega and Aleman forever. Mono y chancho, indomitables. Just what Nicaragua needs, :^(


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: beso1 on June 21, 2008, 06:58:22 PM
More to: indomables, indomados

Caribarros mejor dicho!


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: madupont on June 22, 2008, 11:41:52 PM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/2171364/Argentina-agrees-to-investigate-case-of-the-British-%27disappeared%27.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/05/17/sm_argentina17.xml&page=1


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: FlyingVProd on October 23, 2017, 07:21:57 PM
MS 13 started as a Salvadoran protection gang in Los Angeles, California.

Link...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS-13)

And the gang formed from among the Salvadoran immigrants in Los Angeles who had left El Salvador because of the civil war in El Salvador, the communists were trying to take over El Salvador, and the ones who came to America were the ones whom had fought against the communists and whom were on the side of the USA and democracy. Have no doubt as well that at some point the CIA probably worked with MS 13 as partners against the spread of communism, MS 13 is against communism.

MS 13 started in Los Angeles among freedom loving people from El Salvador.

Of note as well, was that MS 13 was a protection gang to help to protect them from the Bloods, and from the Crips, and from other African American gangs, and also from prison gangs, etc, etc, etc.

MS 13 is a homegrown gang, it did not originate in El Salvador.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: FlyingVProd on November 05, 2017, 04:26:24 PM
We need to unite here in the Western Hemisphere, and we all need to work together as a team, from the top of Alaska to the bottom of Chile, for the betterment of all of us. We do not need any walls. We have over one billion Christians here in the Western Hemisphere, and we need to work together as a team.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 10, 2017, 02:45:46 AM
For the new immigrants, coming to the USA from Venezuela, etc...

Battle Mountain, Nevada, would be a good area for new immigration and growth. The area has gold, and jewelry can be made from the gold, etc. And the area has huge cattle ranches, and the beef can be made into beef stew and can be canned and shipped around the world, and other things can be made from the beef, and dog food can be made from the bones from the beef, etc, and stuff can be made from the leather from the cattle, etc. Many jobs can be created in Battle Mountain.

As people from Venezuela are looking for new places to live, the people of Venezuela can consider Battle Mountain, Nevada, USA.

Link...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Mountain,_Nevada

For those who wish to study, there is the Great Basin College in Elko...

http://www.gbcnv.edu/

There is plenty of land to build on, and the prices are low. The only bad thing, is that it is extremely cold in the winter, it is not warm like California and Southern Nevada, etc.

Salute,

Tony V.


Title: Re: Central and South America
Post by: FlyingVProd on December 29, 2017, 03:47:30 PM
It is cold in the winter in Battle Mountain, Nevada, USA. But one thing, they can make leather jackets out of the cattle hides. They can export leather jackets.

And, people use solar now to help to keep their heating bills lower.

Link...

http://keenforgreen.com/b/solar-energy-cold-weather

They can warm their homes with solar power.

Salute,

Tony V.