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National => Trump Administration => Topic started by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 12:17:19 PM

Title: Trump Administration
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 12:17:19 PM
Is Trump Making America Great Again? 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 30, 2018, 12:57:03 PM
America has never not been great.  Though Trump is an embarrassment to our greatness.

FIRST!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 30, 2018, 01:00:29 PM
Yay. So far 100% sane posts. It won’t last though.

Refresher on the state of play in these United States


The tantrum presidency

As trump shambles further into the corner where his past acts have driven him, when his exposure and reckoning loom over his present and block out his future, he will launch misfired and misconceived schemes like attacking healthcare, toxifying our environment, thugging Justice and the press, and making war on our borders and our trade, on women, and children, but worse, with more gusto, haste, less thought, and less tether to reality, causing more and more indiscriminate damage. There is no time to waste ending this tantrum presidency.

How in the republican party did obtaining leadership become so completely divorced from exhibiting leadership?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 01:01:40 PM
America has never not been great.  Though Trump is an embarrassment to our greatness.

FIRST!

Well, second, anyway. Liq seems to have been ahead of you.

But our admin does seem to have reconstructed the system.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 30, 2018, 01:21:50 PM
The administrator's opening posts.do not count.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 30, 2018, 01:39:26 PM
It is good to see that Elba is back up and running.

I saw a video on Facebook that said that Ireland is going completely green, I hope that it is true.

I did a Google search, and it appears that Ireland is making progress, though not as much as shown in the video on Facebook.

Link...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/state-of-change-how-the-irish-government-is-supporting-a-green-energy-sector-1.3562999

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
The administrator's opening posts.do not count.

They count as posts, but not as replies. Otherwise the post count for this thread would be 6, rather than 7.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 30, 2018, 03:18:31 PM
What sort of era are we living in,  ideologically?

I am sorry to report we live in the era of Bigfoot Erotica....

https://nypost.com/2018/07/30/bigfoot-porn-shakes-up-virginia-congressional-race/

Clearly,  from the censor bar,  we can see that the Yeti vote is important to the GOP.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 30, 2018, 03:23:51 PM
So,  Mr.  Silver,  my emollients/emoluments joke has been lost forever?   

Ah well.   Sic transit gloria mundi.

Clean slate.   Well done.   Many thanks.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2018, 03:28:49 PM
I don't consider this place open for business unless and until Red returns to teaching us things. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 03:57:51 PM
Still winning.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on July 30, 2018, 04:10:20 PM
I don't consider this place open for business unless and until Red returns to teaching us things.
Somebody has to.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 04:42:45 PM
So,  Mr.  Silver,  my emollients/emoluments joke has been lost forever?   

Ah well.   Sic transit gloria mundi.

Clean slate.   Well done.   Many thanks.

Tusdi, too, when we get there.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 04:43:46 PM
America has never not been great.  Though Trump is an embarrassment to our greatness.

FIRST!

If we get to be great, it will be a first time.

But I am not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
Still winning.

Except at spelling or, perhaps, reading.

If you would like, Kid, we can either delete the old "kidcarter8" screen name so you can convert this one to it or, if you prefer, you can just log into it by clicking on the login option from HOME.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 05:02:06 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-collusion-crime-manafort-investigation-a8469741.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-collusion-crime-manafort-investigation-a8469741.html)

Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.

From NBC:
Quote
National Review's Andrew McCarthy arguing on Fox News last week that there’s nothing necessarily wrong with the president’s political operation possibly having turned to a foreign adversary to help win an American election.

“Look, I don’t think that it’s bad if campaigns are turning to foreign governments for dirt. It’s not collusion, it’s not something that’s impeachable, it’s icky. But that’s what this is.”

All this time wasted claiming they never colluded when they could have just said this, instead.

Of course, this means that they have realized that the evidence is in that they did collude. But we should ignore that, as well as the pre-meeting strategy session that Rudy insists did not happen, but for which he indicates Rick Gates was in attendance.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 30, 2018, 06:29:35 PM
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-collusion-crime-manafort-investigation-a8469741.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-russia-collusion-crime-manafort-investigation-a8469741.html)

Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.

From NBC:
Quote
National Review's Andrew McCarthy arguing on Fox News last week that there’s nothing necessarily wrong with the president’s political operation possibly having turned to a foreign adversary to help win an American election.

“Look, I don’t think that it’s bad if campaigns are turning to foreign governments for dirt. It’s not collusion, it’s not something that’s impeachable, it’s icky. But that’s what this is.”

All this time wasted claiming they never colluded when they could have just said this, instead.

Of course, this means that they have realized that the evidence is in that they did collude. But we should ignore that, as well as the pre-meeting strategy session that Rudy insists did not happen, but for which he indicates Rick Gates was in attendance.

A few points to be made here in response, outside of the obvious goal-post moving that indicates that after 18 months of tweeting "No Collusion" in all caps, proof of Trump's colluding is coming down the pike:

1. Accepting "dirt" from foreign governments is illegal.  Its a violation of campaign finance laws that prohibit the acceptance of anything of value.  Reasons for this are obvious.  The same reason that contributions directly to a campaign are capped, and the contributors identified.  How does accepting help from Russia, secretly, not run afoul of this law, Putin was simply exercising his free speech rights under the first amendment?

2.  We aren't talking about "dirt."  To use a comparison Trump supporters are fond of making, Steele interviewing people in Russia to report on Trump's doings in that country is digging up "dirt."  Hacking into the emails of Americans is a crime.  As is spreading misinformation and fake news on Facebook under the guise of being a concerned US Citizen, defined in Mueller's indictments as "conspiracy against the United States."  So colluding with a  party to commit a crime is absolutely a crime.  Its called being an accessory.  And again, I don't know what I am missing for this to be untrue.

3.  Under the same heading as above, aren't you an accessory to a crime when you knowingly benefit from it and don't report it to the authorities?  Trump Campaign did not contact the FBI when people within the campaign knew the Russians hacked the DNC etc, and in fact actively pointed elsewhere in their public statements. 

4.  Lying to Congress is a crime.  Even when you aren't sworn in.  So unless there is testimony from Trump associates in the know that have already admitted to collusion, they have likely told a number of provable lies to Congress.  Most notably, Trump Junior, who (it already may appear, if Cohen is to be believed) perjured himself in front of Congress when he claimed that he did not tell his father about meeting with Russians in Trump Tower. 

5.  Collusion would provide the impetus to show intent to obstruct justice.  Which is a crime.

6.  If the collusion happened due to circumstances that predated Trump's candidacy, that's treason/conspiracy against the US.  For example, if Trump knew he would be in debt to Putin because of the Pee Tape, or because of money laundering, or something else, but ran anyway.

And if the above isn't a "crime" that's beside the point.  It delegitimizes Trump's Presidency, reveals him to be disloyal to the US, and becomes a tremendous political liability for Trump and the political party that has done everything in their power to shield him despite his possibly treasonous actions.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 30, 2018, 06:47:07 PM
I don't consider this place open for business unless and until Red returns to teaching us things.
Somebody has to.

Pig’s breath, I missed you.

I look forward to more of your inane and grotesque commentary.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 07:04:03 PM
https://gritpost.com/koch-funded-study-medicare-for-all/ (https://gritpost.com/koch-funded-study-medicare-for-all/)

In other news, the conservative leaning Mercatus Center accidentally pointed out that Medicare for all would be cheaper than either the current "system" or if we did away with ACA altogether and their figure was likely a lowball figure for the difference.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 30, 2018, 07:20:44 PM
 Socialism!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 30, 2018, 08:01:19 PM
Quote
“Just landed — a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea . Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!”
It's a good thing that Trump declared (tweeted) that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat!

Otherwise, we might need to be concerned about their missile construction.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399604-us-intelligence-agencies-determine-that-north-korea-is-constructing (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399604-us-intelligence-agencies-determine-that-north-korea-is-constructing)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 30, 2018, 08:39:05 PM
The looked into his eyes and saw a monster. They watch the news and see the cascading domestic disasters. They know he will probably start a war at some point soon (a pointless war we won’t win) and are working to be a less attractive target than Iran or Venezuela.

NK has had a lot of practice being an embattled psychotic regime. They may be nuts, but they’re not crazy. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 11:48:49 PM
Still winning.

Except at spelling or, perhaps, reading.

If you would like, Kid, we can either delete the old "kidcarter8" screen name so you can convert this one to it or, if you prefer, you can just log into it by clicking on the login option from HOME.

It didnt work

Its ok .. I am not offended
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 30, 2018, 11:51:24 PM


Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.





The mayor is correct
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on July 31, 2018, 12:09:21 AM
If I were running the Democrats in America I'd be promising 'free healthcare for all' at the next election.
Free care/treatment in public hospitals, for the lowliest citizens to the richest.

Free visits to doctors who are willing to accept the amount of govt rebate for a visit.

Why should a poor person not be able to visit a doctor, free?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 12:43:41 AM


Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.


The mayor is correct

So glad the "Russia thing is over" eh kidcarter8?

I doubt any of the regular posters here are surprised that you agree with Rudy on this point.  Nor would any of them be surprised that you provide no supporting argument for your opinion.  You have received your marching orders, Trumpist.  Working with an enemy of the US to defraud American Democracy is A-OK if there isn't a specific criminal statute that forbids it.  That's Patriotism.

If only it were so simple.  Some late night reading for you:

http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/sites/ca6/files/documents/pattern_jury/pdf/10%20Chapter%204_mtd_0.pdf (http://www.ca6.uscourts.gov/sites/ca6/files/documents/pattern_jury/pdf/10%20Chapter%204_mtd_0.pdf)

Without breaking out the scenarios, all three sub-chapters might apply.

Bigger picture; the US Department of Justice certainly seems to think "collusion" (whatever word you use to describe the Campaign's alleged cooperation with Putin) is or is related to criminal activity.  Otherwise, this wouldn't be a line of inquiry for Mueller.  So to believe that the summation of a credible response to Mueller is "Collusion is not a crime" is to believe in the "Deep State" derp that labels said inquiry a "witch hunt."

Again, no one here would be surprised if you shared that view, kidcarter8.  You keep doing you.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 01:02:54 AM
https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1023938772155682817 (https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1023938772155682817)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 01:03:42 AM
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/government-data-shows-the-entire-family-separation-crisis-was-built-of-lies/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/government-data-shows-the-entire-family-separation-crisis-was-built-of-lies/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 01:13:19 AM
Kid you have found the White Castle of news feeds, and like all of those who turn to White Castle as their sole source of sustenance, your ass has utterly eclipsed and encompassed the rest of you. At least while encompassing you your ass has obscured your face which may have been the only means of improving it.

You are a whole ass asshole, stinking and proud.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 01:32:15 AM
To begin with, 80 percent of the children who have crossed over since 2014 are not with parents but are unaccompanied. Only 20 percent come with parents.

LOL. How do these dimwits think this statistic disproves the Trump Administration policy of separating children from parents legally requesting refugee status, and their failure to fully comply with court ordered reunification?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on July 31, 2018, 01:49:17 AM
Socialism!!!!
Front runners as dem presidential ballot in 2020
Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez.
Socialists.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 03:35:51 AM
Socialism!!!!
Front runners as dem presidential ballot in 2020
Sanders and Ocasio-Cortez.
Socialists.

Socialists have kept your sorry ass from starving in a ditch or being eaten by your neighbors.

You owe them your vote.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 31, 2018, 03:45:45 AM
Still winning.

Except at spelling or, perhaps, reading.

If you would like, Kid, we can either delete the old "kidcarter8" screen name so you can convert this one to it or, if you prefer, you can just log into it by clicking on the login option from HOME.

It didnt work

Its ok .. I am not offended

You went to this page and it didn't work?
http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?action=login (http://forums.escapefromelba.com/index.php?action=login)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 31, 2018, 03:48:57 AM


Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.





The mayor is correct

If the mayor were correct, then this would have been his position since joining the team, Kid.

This is just the scheme du jour.

Colluding with the paperboy would not be illegal. Colluding with the Russians would be, not because of the word "colluding" but because of what it meant was going on.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 31, 2018, 04:21:13 AM
https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1023938772155682817 (https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1023938772155682817)

Ah, the data.

Here is the FY2018 data for the Southwest:
286,290 aliens apprehended.
68, 560 family units
37,450 unaccompaniend alien children (UAC)
13.1% UAC.

96,236 people presented themselves at the border and were deemed inadmissable.
37,395 family units
6,728 UAC
18% UAC.

The Congressman was totally right that the "family separation" crisis was made of lies.

He's just wrong about who was lying and why, Kid.

And now, so are you.

In FY2013, approximately 38k UAC were apprehended.
In FY2014, approximately 67k UAC were apprehended.
In FY2015, approximately 39k UAC were apprehended.
In FY2016, approximately 59k UAC were apprehended.
In FY2017, approximately 41k UAC were apprehended.

A glance tells us why the author chose 2014 for the starting point. A read of the article tells us that the author provided no source for the numbers, but a look at FY2018 suggests that the 80% number may be compared to family units rather than individuals within those units. May. Hard to tell from what was written.

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration (https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2018, 05:08:03 AM
Rudy thinks that perhaps colluding is not a crime.

The mayor is correct

Collusion is more a term from anti-trust law.
But it's mostly shorthand.  There are other charges that could be brought. 
This AP article provides a good overview:
https://apnews.com/3eb241f5117646b883d7ee6d68b3e193/AP-FACT-CHECK:-Collusion-not-a-crime?-Not-exactly-the-point.

"Conspiracy to defraud the United States" sounds like a pretty good overall description of the Trump presidency.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 31, 2018, 09:24:53 AM
Quote
“Just landed — a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a nuclear threat from North Korea . Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!”
It's a good thing that Trump declared (tweeted) that North Korea is no longer a nuclear threat!

Otherwise, we might need to be concerned about their missile construction.
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399604-us-intelligence-agencies-determine-that-north-korea-is-constructing (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399604-us-intelligence-agencies-determine-that-north-korea-is-constructing)

"Still winning! "

Good to see Josh and Bo back.

In terms of the constitution, let's not forget the Emollients Clause,  which was violated when Donnie allowed Vlad to apply moisturizer where the wallet chafing was worst.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 09:44:55 AM
America has never not been great.  Though Trump is an embarrassment to our greatness.

FIRST!

So...you were okay with slavery? Jim Crow? Chinese Immigration Act? The Reconstruction Era? Tom Yawkey?

No, America has always struggled to be great, but at its core, there was a striving by many to create a greater country. So, there are those Americans among us still engaged in making a greater country. But that group of Americans does not include members of the GOP, or their "leader".
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 31, 2018, 10:12:57 AM
Well, at least the ignore function still works!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2018, 10:20:44 AM
Well, at least the ignore function still works!

I wonder if Elba had stricter immigration policies, if we could

Make Elba Great Again?

#MEGA!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on July 31, 2018, 11:26:04 AM
I'd be surprised if I continue to discuss politics here.  But if this thread plays out reasonably, without rancor and name calling, and includes useful links and info, I'd happily stick around and contribute.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 31, 2018, 11:39:41 AM
I hope you do, you prevaricating swine, you whoreson bag of guts!

For a while here, there were halcyon days when all name-calling was achieved with a simple code that required a minimum of keystrokes and did not overly intrude on the flow of discourse.  When anyone said something purely partisan and mendacious, "LPC" was sufficient to address the transgression against reasoned debate.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 31, 2018, 11:42:36 AM
Well, at least the ignore function still works!

I wonder if Elba had stricter immigration policies, if we could

Make Elba Great Again?

#MEGA!

Very possible.  We're going to build a wall.  The most powerful firewall ever in the history of the world.  Oklahoma will pay for it. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2018, 12:00:15 PM
Well, at least the ignore function still works!

I wonder if Elba had stricter immigration policies, if we could

Make Elba Great Again?

#MEGA!

Very possible.  We're going to build a wall.  The most powerful firewall ever in the history of the world.  Oklahoma will pay for it.

Thats OK with me.

Anyone got a link  for passports/drivers licenses/birth certificates?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 12:40:20 PM
To begin with, 80 percent of the children who have crossed over since 2014 are not with parents but are unaccompanied. Only 20 percent come with parents.

LOL. How do these dimwits think this statistic disproves the Trump Administration policy of separating children from parents legally requesting refugee status, and their failure to fully comply with court ordered reunification?

Why do you think they are saying it does?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 12:54:27 PM
For the moment the torture fetish behind it is still socially unacceptable.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 31, 2018, 12:58:31 PM
I'd be surprised if I continue to discuss politics here.  But if this thread plays out reasonably, without rancor and name calling, and includes useful links and info, I'd happily stick around and contribute.
Been nice knowing you.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 01:10:09 PM
Bo, you are a scholar and a gentleman. Your voice and vision would add a lot to this board. It would be great to add your take on issues that concern the other side of the big ocean.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 01:38:56 PM
To begin with, 80 percent of the children who have crossed over since 2014 are not with parents but are unaccompanied. Only 20 percent come with parents.

LOL. How do these dimwits think this statistic disproves the Trump Administration policy of separating children from parents legally requesting refugee status, and their failure to fully comply with court ordered reunification?

Why do you think they are saying it does?

The title of the piece of garbage you linked to, for a start; "Government data shows the entire "family separation" crisis was built of lies."

And then how it uses that very statistic and others to argue that "the illegals are self-separating from their kids" before shifting to argue that the kids who are left here after being separated will become future gang members.

Illuminating stuff kidcarter8.  Reposting it (twice) saying far more about your deplorable views than shedding any light on the family separation issue.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 01:41:00 PM
A dispatch from current family separation hearings, for anyone interested in knowing what actually happened:

BREAKING: Commander Jonathan White of HHS just admitted he warned Trump @realDonaldTrump & Sessions about "significant risk of harm" & "psychological injury" as consequence of zero tolerance & was ignored: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/watch-live-ice-border-patrol-testify-at-senate-hearing-on-family-separations … @KPBSMidday

https://twitter.com/jeanguerre/status/1024341961778622465 (https://twitter.com/jeanguerre/status/1024341961778622465)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 01:42:03 PM
I'd be surprised if I continue to discuss politics here.  But if this thread plays out reasonably, without rancor and name calling, and includes useful links and info, I'd happily stick around and contribute.
Been nice knowing you.

 ;D

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2018, 02:00:57 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/facebook-political-campaign-midterms.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/politics/facebook-political-campaign-midterms.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news)

Facebook announced on Tuesday that it has identified a coordinated political influence campaign, with dozens of inauthentic accounts and pages that are believed to be engaging in political activity around divisive social issues ahead of November’s midterm elections.

When asked if Russia was involved in meddling with Facebook accounts to influence the '18 elections, it was unclear whether Putin said, "nyet" or "not yet"
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 03:37:26 PM
Speaking of a Trump lying to Congress...

https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-finds-no-responsive-records-support-trump-speech (https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-finds-no-responsive-records-support-trump-speech)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 04:07:12 PM
I'd be surprised if I continue to discuss politics here.  But if this thread plays out reasonably, without rancor and name calling, and includes useful links and info, I'd happily stick around and contribute.
Been nice knowing you.

We all know only one of us provides useful links
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 04:09:26 PM
To begin with, 80 percent of the children who have crossed over since 2014 are not with parents but are unaccompanied. Only 20 percent come with parents.

LOL. How do these dimwits think this statistic disproves the Trump Administration policy of separating children from parents legally requesting refugee status, and their failure to fully comply with court ordered reunification?

Why do you think they are saying it does?

The title of the piece of garbage you linked to, for a start; "Government data shows the entire "family separation" crisis was built of lies."

And then how it uses that very statistic and others to argue that "the illegals are self-separating from their kids" before shifting to argue that the kids who are left here after being separated will become future gang members.

Illuminating stuff kidcarter8.  Reposting it (twice) saying far more about your deplorable views than shedding any light on the family separation issue.

They lay out the numbers fairly clearly.  Leaves plenty of room for parents separated from their children and having legit angst about it.  Just doesnt describe as high a percentage of the cases as the left would have you believe
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 31, 2018, 04:13:00 PM
"I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public,” Trump said. “Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!”

Blind squirrel found an acorn.   

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 04:22:28 PM
During Senate testimony earlier in the day, HHS Secretary Alex Azar told legislators children couldn’t be reunited with parents in detention unless the law was modified or parents completed their legal process:

We’re not allowed to have a child be with a parent who is in custody of the Department of Homeland Security for more than 20 days. And so until we can get Congress to change that law, the forcible separation there of the family units, we’ll hold them or place them with another family relative in the United States. But we are working to get all of these kids ready to be placed back with their parents, get that all cleared up, as soon as if Congress passes a change or if those parents complete their immigration proceedings, we can then reunify

--------------

If you’re smuggling a child, then we’re going to prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you, probably, as required by law. If you don’t want your child separated, then don’t bring them across the border illegally. It’s not our fault that somebody does that.



https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/hhs-detained-parents-prolonged-child-detention/ (https://www.snopes.com/news/2018/06/26/hhs-detained-parents-prolonged-child-detention/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 04:47:53 PM
They lay out the numbers fairly clearly.  Leaves plenty of room for parents separated from their children and having legit angst about it.  Just doesnt describe as high a percentage of the cases as the left would have you believe

"The left" (or you know, the news) doesn't cite a "percentage."  They cite the number of children separated and detained, a number that came from the Trump Administration.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 31, 2018, 05:00:05 PM
"I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public,” Trump said. “Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!”

Blind squirrel found an acorn.
Bl8nd squirrel created the acorn. It is a Trump reversal of an Obama position that made it legal to sell the plans to printable guns.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 31, 2018, 05:00:58 PM
I'd be surprised if I continue to discuss politics here.  But if this thread plays out reasonably, without rancor and name calling, and includes useful links and info, I'd happily stick around and contribute.
Been nice knowing you.

We all know only one of us provides useful links
Must be me, because your links aren't useful.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 05:31:49 PM
They lay out the numbers fairly clearly.  Leaves plenty of room for parents separated from their children and having legit angst about it.  Just doesnt describe as high a percentage of the cases as the left would have you believe

"The left" (or you know, the news) doesn't cite a "percentage."  They cite the number of children separated and detained, a number that came from the Trump Administration.

Exactly

They disregard the others - thats the point
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 05:55:48 PM
Reap what you sow:

https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1024402494955417600 (https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1024402494955417600)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 05:56:13 PM
They lay out the numbers fairly clearly.  Leaves plenty of room for parents separated from their children and having legit angst about it.  Just doesnt describe as high a percentage of the cases as the left would have you believe

"The left" (or you know, the news) doesn't cite a "percentage."  They cite the number of children separated and detained, a number that came from the Trump Administration.

Exactly

They disregard the others - thats the point

Really?  That’s the point?  Because just a post before, your point was that “the Left” was misrepresenting the percentage of cases involved to make the problem seem bigger than it is, as if over 2,000 children, including toddlers, taken away from their parents is a problem whose horrors are captured by percentages.   

And disregarding the others when the subject is the Trump Admin taking children away from families that wanted to stay together makes sense, when those cases do not involve the Trump Admin taking children away from families that wanted to stay together.

The piece you were so anxious we read that you linked to it twice was pure bigotry couched in faux statistical analysis.  Your realizing that is maybe why you now try to misrepresent its argument, but no worries kidcarter8, everyone here already knows what kind of a person you are. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 06:14:39 PM
Trump wants more tax cuts for the rich.

If the Dems can't figure out how to run against the GOP with this kind of fodder readily available, they should get out of the business of politics.

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-administration-wants-pass-another-135757477.html?bcmt=1 (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/trump-administration-wants-pass-another-135757477.html?bcmt=1)

It's a big F. U.  to America, from the Trump Administration.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 06:22:18 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/migrant-children-separation-anxiety.html#click=https://t.co/SJYnOBdvwG (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/migrant-children-separation-anxiety.html#click=https://t.co/SJYnOBdvwG)

"My son used to be carefree.  He was not this way"

- And you took him from his home. YOU did.  Now you both have to adjust.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on July 31, 2018, 06:24:36 PM
Reap what you sow:

https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1024402494955417600 (https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1024402494955417600)

An irresponsible, inept and corrupt President blames the free press and the journalists who dare to expose him. And the white-trash deplorables, too stupid to understand that most of them will soon be victims, as they trade democracy for pennies on the $, blames the messenger. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 31, 2018, 06:34:06 PM
"I am looking into 3-D Plastic Guns being sold to the public,” Trump said. “Already spoke to NRA, doesn’t seem to make much sense!”

Blind squirrel found an acorn.
Bl8nd squirrel created the acorn. It is a Trump reversal of an Obama position that made it legal to sell the plans to printable guns.

Yep.  How vexing must it be whenever Trump trips over policy crafted solely to give the finger to Obama.   Trump never seems to understand an issue until he takes a contrarian stance and the harmful liabilities of said stance are pointed out.   He can't just admit that the prior Antichrist administration sometimes did have a sensible idea.

Not that he really is intellectually capable of understanding why the proliferation of unregistered and invisible to metal detector weapons might be a problem.   I'm sure his concern is potential lost profits of gun manufacturers. 

Legislative sanity will come when the first whack job with a "ghost gun" is found roaming the Rayburn office building hunting fresh congress-meat. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on July 31, 2018, 06:35:00 PM
The Gray Lady poses a question in a Monday headline:

The $100 Billion Train: California’s future or a Boondoggle?


How about BOTH?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on July 31, 2018, 06:56:13 PM
You just confused Tony V.

High speed trains work in Japan,  but the Japanese actually use mass transit which is how mass transit needs to be supported.   Without massive ridership,  you just have an expensive monument to green idealism.   Many alternatives in California,  but they aren't as sexy as HS rail.    I will read the piece you cited.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 07:02:57 PM
Its nice not to be a third world state with republican office holders constantly fucking over the population and abusing the budget. It gives you the resources to implement infrastructure projects instead of letting everything devolve into derelict monuments to the New Deal.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on July 31, 2018, 07:24:23 PM
3-D printer guns will be a hundred times the nightmare that legal military style weapons are now.   Unregistered, untraceable, invisible.   If Trump can't man up and admit his administration goofed on this,  then he deserves whatever happens to him.   You'd think stopping this kind of weapon would be one matter all politicians could agree on,  at a very visceral level.   I. E. SELF PRESERVATION.  I don't get why the web hasn't exploded over this today.   The blueprints go up TOMORROW.   

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 07:41:22 PM
3D printed guns are being handled the way things are while our country doesn’t have a functioning presidency or legislature.

Crime owns all of the GOP. Walk down every issue and these scumbags are universally pro crime.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 07:48:02 PM
3-D printer guns will be a hundred times the nightmare that legal military style weapons are now.   Unregistered, untraceable, invisible.  If Trump can't man up and admit his administration goofed on this,  then he deserves whatever happens to him.   You'd think stopping this kind of weapon would be one matter all politicians could agree on,  at a very visceral level.   I. E. SELF PRESERVATION.  I don't get why the web hasn't exploded over this today.   The blueprints go up TOMORROW.

heh

keep us posted
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 31, 2018, 07:48:53 PM
California needs to build the high speed trains faster, because the price seems to be going up over time. In the future the prices are just going to be higher. And along with the California high speed rail, we need to build high speed rail between Anaheim and Las Vegas. 

And one section of the high speed train that needs to be built now is a high speed train between Los Angeles and Lancaster, and that will generate a lot of money in support of the project.

Of note too, is that it will help make for a nicer experience for tourists. Tourists could hop on a high speed train in Los Angeles and go to the wine country, etc. Tourism creates over one hundred and sixty thousand jobs in Orange County alone, and the high speed rail will make it nicer for the tourists. 

Our high speed trains need to happen quickly, we need to work on more locations to get it all done faster. The best way to keep the prices down is to get it built, and then get it making money from lots of ridership.

Have you seen how crowded the 405 freeway is in Los Angeles? And the other freeways are crowded too. California has the worst traffic in the nation. So, because we have the worst traffic, we need solutions, and the high speed trains will help. It only makes sense that California should have high speed trains. Then there there is also the issue of clean transportation, etc, and going green makes everyone feel better. 

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on July 31, 2018, 08:02:22 PM
People in Californa have never shown any particular inclination to get out of their cars. High-speed rail seems an expensive gamble.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on July 31, 2018, 08:10:13 PM
You just confused Tony V.

High speed trains work in Japan,  but the Japanese actually use mass transit which is how mass transit needs to be supported.
Gee, what a concept.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 08:13:12 PM
If you can ultimately undercut instate flights along the major routes, you have your passenger base and the beginnings of your ROI. Combine that with a piece of the parcel shipping business, and you take a bite out of road traffic before drawing a single passenger or driver.

Your best bet Tony is to turn OC blue. You have 3 months. Get on it bro.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on July 31, 2018, 08:23:10 PM
Based on his stances on labor you can only hire Bret Kavanaugh under the table, making him sadly ineligible for a seat on the Supreme Court.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on July 31, 2018, 08:25:21 PM
I dare ya'all to toss Kavanagh aside

Wouldnt be prudent, as Poppi Bush would say
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 09:01:57 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/migrant-children-separation-anxiety.html#click=https://t.co/SJYnOBdvwG (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/migrant-children-separation-anxiety.html#click=https://t.co/SJYnOBdvwG)

"My son used to be carefree.  He was not this way"

- And you took him from his home. YOU did.  Now you both have to adjust.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-was-warned-of-traumatic-psychological-injury-from-family-separations-official-says?utm_source=frontline&utm_term=social&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_term=20180731&utm_content=1699897755&utm_campaign=Frontline%20Season%2036&linkId=54981376
 (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-was-warned-of-traumatic-psychological-injury-from-family-separations-official-says?utm_source=frontline&utm_term=social&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_term=20180731&utm_content=1699897755&utm_campaign=Frontline%20Season%2036&linkId=54981376)


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on July 31, 2018, 09:59:23 PM
Reap what you sow:

https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1024402494955417600 (https://twitter.com/EvanDonovan/status/1024402494955417600)

And I bet every one of those people felt personally aggrieved when Sarah Huckabee Sanders was politely asked to leave a restaurant.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 31, 2018, 10:48:02 PM
To begin with, 80 percent of the children who have crossed over since 2014 are not with parents but are unaccompanied. Only 20 percent come with parents.

LOL. How do these dimwits think this statistic disproves the Trump Administration policy of separating children from parents legally requesting refugee status, and their failure to fully comply with court ordered reunification?

Why do you think they are saying it does?

The title of the piece of garbage you linked to, for a start; "Government data shows the entire "family separation" crisis was built of lies."

And then how it uses that very statistic and others to argue that "the illegals are self-separating from their kids" before shifting to argue that the kids who are left here after being separated will become future gang members.

Illuminating stuff kidcarter8.  Reposting it (twice) saying far more about your deplorable views than shedding any light on the family separation issue.

They lay out the numbers fairly clearly.  Leaves plenty of room for parents separated from their children and having legit angst about it.  Just doesnt describe as high a percentage of the cases as the left would have you believe

"The left" made no claims about percentages from 2014-2016. You can look at the numbers that Trump claimed merited his actions. And the percentages.

Or not.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on July 31, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
Hello, good to be back.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 11:05:33 PM
People in Californa have never shown any particular inclination to get out of their cars. High-speed rail seems an expensive gamble.

BOONDOGGLE!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 11:06:53 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/migrant-children-separation-anxiety.html#click=https://t.co/SJYnOBdvwG (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/31/us/migrant-children-separation-anxiety.html#click=https://t.co/SJYnOBdvwG)

"My son used to be carefree.  He was not this way"

- And you took him from his home. YOU did.  Now you both have to adjust.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-was-warned-of-traumatic-psychological-injury-from-family-separations-official-says?utm_source=frontline&utm_term=social&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_term=20180731&utm_content=1699897755&utm_campaign=Frontline%20Season%2036&linkId=54981376
 (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-was-warned-of-traumatic-psychological-injury-from-family-separations-official-says?utm_source=frontline&utm_term=social&utm_source=TWITTER&utm_medium=social&utm_term=20180731&utm_content=1699897755&utm_campaign=Frontline%20Season%2036&linkId=54981376)

Bottom line. The U.S. is reaping what Reagan sewed back in the 80's in Central America.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on July 31, 2018, 11:09:27 PM
I dare ya'all to toss Kavanagh aside

Wouldnt be prudent, as Poppi Bush would say

He can be bribed. With Nats tickets. Loser.

Next!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on July 31, 2018, 11:14:58 PM
Hello Itz ME!

China in South America.]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/world/americas/china-latin-america.html]China in South America. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/world/americas/china-latin-america.html)

Obviously this is not a Trump administration based base. The Chinese have been working with certain expectations for years.

But it does illustrate the idea that the US not building trade zones up and down the hemisphere is perhaps the tipping point for the end of the American Influence Era.

Stupid.

(Oh, wait So Josh isn't evvie anymore but is the mod with mod type powers now?)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on July 31, 2018, 11:21:21 PM
Hello Itz ME!

China in South America.]https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/world/americas/china-latin-america.html]China in South America. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/world/americas/china-latin-america.html)

Obviously this is not a Trump administration based base. The Chinese have been working with certain expectations for years.

But it does illustrate the idea that the US not building trade zones up and down the hemisphere is perhaps the tipping point for the end of the American Influence Era.

Stupid.

(Oh, wait So Josh isn't evvie anymore but is the mod with mod type powers now?)

I am not Evvie any more.

I am not Evvie any less.

The obsession with who is who remains entertaining and silly.

My "mod type powers" are what they were before the prior crash, which is to say that I can edit and delete individual posts, but I cannot warn or delete members, including spammers.

I can create new fora, to a limited extent, and close fora.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 12:27:47 AM
I miss Evvie and it's ambiguous sexuality, cute habit of calling everyone "Mister, " and the amusing references to an aunt.   And,  of course,  the Josh-like smorgasbord of informative links.   Nothing wrong with a repurposed sock.

I would suggest close the unused forums,  which will just attract spammers.   I mean,  do we really need a separate forum for pets or Latin American writers or theater?  Maybe keep three book forums,  say,,  fiction,  nonfiction and creative writing. 

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 01, 2018, 01:07:03 AM
I miss Evvie and it's ambiguous sexuality, cute habit of calling everyone "Mister, " and the amusing references to an aunt.   And,  of course,  the Josh-like smorgasbord of informative links.   Nothing wrong with a repurposed sock.

I would suggest close the unused forums,  which will just attract spammers.   I mean,  do we really need a separate forum for pets or Latin American writers or theater?  Maybe keep three book forums,  say,,  fiction,  nonfiction and creative writing.
You axe Meander Where You May and teddy will roll over in her grave, and I do not think she is actually dead.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 01, 2018, 01:38:54 AM
Ye old 'bambu' is now 'bambu-wisdom'.



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 07:40:44 AM
Ye old 'bambu' is now 'bambu-wisdom'.





Akin to the term "military intelligence".

I love a good oxymoron. Other morons, not so much.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 09:38:57 AM
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-guns/u-s-judge-halts-3-d-printed-gun-blueprints-hours-before-planned-release-idUSKBN1KL1SZ (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-guns/u-s-judge-halts-3-d-printed-gun-blueprints-hours-before-planned-release-idUSKBN1KL1SZ)

Whew.   Was amused at gun groups logic that the ban was unnecessary because the plastic guns are unreliable.  Begs the question - if so,  then how does the ban hurt their interests?   Wouldn't this strike a blow for quality control they could applaud?   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 09:42:49 AM
I miss Evvie and it's ambiguous sexuality, cute habit of calling everyone "Mister, " and the amusing references to an aunt.   And,  of course,  the Josh-like smorgasbord of informative links.   Nothing wrong with a repurposed sock.

I would suggest close the unused forums,  which will just attract spammers.   I mean,  do we really need a separate forum for pets or Latin American writers or theater?  Maybe keep three book forums,  say,,  fiction,  nonfiction and creative writing.
You axe Meander Where You May and teddy will roll over in her grave, and I do not think she is actually dead.

If the archives are restored,  then yes,  keep all the old book threads.   But it appears those are gone and we just have empty threads.   I wondered if all that data was really gone.   In any case Meander is a good category.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 10:10:34 AM
To begin with, 80 percent of the children who have crossed over since 2014 are not with parents but are unaccompanied. Only 20 percent come with parents.

LOL. How do these dimwits think this statistic disproves the Trump Administration policy of separating children from parents legally requesting refugee status, and their failure to fully comply with court ordered reunification?

Why do you think they are saying it does?

The title of the piece of garbage you linked to, for a start; "Government data shows the entire "family separation" crisis was built of lies."

And then how it uses that very statistic and others to argue that "the illegals are self-separating from their kids" before shifting to argue that the kids who are left here after being separated will become future gang members.

Illuminating stuff kidcarter8.  Reposting it (twice) saying far more about your deplorable views than shedding any light on the family separation issue.

They lay out the numbers fairly clearly.  Leaves plenty of room for parents separated from their children and having legit angst about it.  Just doesnt describe as high a percentage of the cases as the left would have you believe

"The left" made no claims about percentages from 2014-2016.

Regardless - they paint a picture that every border case is a lost kid situation.  It's a small percentage - and its being done by current law.

Do you expect the border patrol to decide case by case which parent/kid combinations get to enter and stay, no questions asked?  To let everyone in?  What, exactly?

Again - dont throw stones without proper answers.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 01, 2018, 10:32:19 AM
Was amused at gun groups logic that the ban was unnecessary because the plastic guns are unreliable.

Right, and of course we wouldn't expect any improvement in the designs or the technology used to print them at any point in the future.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 01, 2018, 10:33:47 AM
You may have seen Cohen give the Pedophile test to Roy Moore. If you haven't,

Here It'z Is]http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/sacha-baron-cohen-trolls-roy-moore-with-a-fake-pedophile-detector/85726985/]Here It'z Is (http://www.ebaumsworld.com/videos/sacha-baron-cohen-trolls-roy-moore-with-a-fake-pedophile-detector/85726985/)

Funny. and well played.

But to me the laugh out loud part is where Roy Moore is agreeing that the history of Alabama is Freedom and equality for all peoples. That is just too funny!

But it does show that the systemic racism is at a level that is subdural. It is like a cotton seed that is deep deep in the soul of the south. They don't even know that it is there.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 01, 2018, 10:37:20 AM
Regardless - they paint a picture that every border case is a lost kid situation. 

No, they didn't. They painted the picture that over 3,000 kids were unwillingly separated from their parents, which is number provided them by the administration.

Do you expect the border patrol to decide case by case which parent/kid combinations get to enter and stay, no questions asked?  To let everyone in?  What, exactly?

They could, I don't know, do what they did before the Trump Administration instituted a zero tolerance policy this spring that they knew full well would result in kids being taken from their parents.  But for Trump the cruelty is the point.  They saw the separation policy as a deterrent. 

That you would argue that they had no choice makes clear that you either aren't following the story, or that you have no interest in discussing this in good faith. 


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 01, 2018, 11:12:50 AM
Off topic, but I drove to the grocery store last night to buy a gallon of milk and got all the way to the checkout when I realized I forgot my ID. So embarrassing.

Needs, they easily could also have tracked the kids and parents through the system, so that it would be easy to reunite families. But they did not do that, because they had no real intention of reuniting them.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 11:17:04 AM
You need an ID card to buy milk now? 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 11:38:26 AM
I once got carded for spiked egg-nog, but that was a long time ago.

In other news it seems the Boy King is on the twitter machine again ranting for the 'Bama munchkin AG to end the rigged witch hunt.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 01, 2018, 11:58:03 AM
In other news it seems the Boy King is on the twitter machine again ranting for the 'Bama munchkin AG to end the rigged witch hunt.

Trump’s way of saying he’s tired of pretending to be president and is ready for someone to come along and arrest him now. He’s hoping for a cell mate who uses him roughly like Roy Cohn used to.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 01, 2018, 12:20:06 PM
In other news it seems the Boy King is on the twitter machine again ranting for the 'Bama munchkin AG to end the rigged witch hunt.

Trump’s way of saying he’s tired of pretending to be president and is ready for someone to come along and arrest him now. He’s hoping for a cell mate who uses him roughly like Roy Cohn used to.

I don't know Fac, I'm not sure if he's tired of being president, he likes the parades, dress-up parties and Air Force One part, and making millions pimping out his hotels and golf courses, but he's tired of following the generally accepted rules of being President, and God knows he sucks at the job of "preserve protect and defend" 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 12:21:20 PM
Re:  "gun groups logic"

- and of course you will attach this to an entire nation of Trump supporters, Republicans.....
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 12:46:04 PM
Regardless - they paint a picture that every border case is a lost kid situation. 

No, they didn't. They painted the picture that over 3,000 kids were unwillingly separated from their parents, which is number provided them by the administration.

Do you expect the border patrol to decide case by case which parent/kid combinations get to enter and stay, no questions asked?  To let everyone in?  What, exactly?

They could, I don't know, do what they did before the Trump Administration instituted a zero tolerance policy this spring that they knew full well would result in kids being taken from their parents.  But for Trump the cruelty is the point.  They saw the separation policy as a deterrent. 

That you would argue that they had no choice makes clear that you either aren't following the story, or that you have no interest in discussing this in good faith.

Children were put in foster care under the Obama administration after parents were deported.  And others, like now, were able to be placed with relatives in the US.

We are trying to LOWER the entries at the border.  Please - make a better effort in understanding this.

The "3000" are the unfortunate who have been temporarily caught up in the changing system.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 01, 2018, 12:48:10 PM
Re:  "gun groups logic"

- and of course you will attach this to an entire nation of Trump supporters, Republicans.....

Where are you at on home brewed automatic rifles?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 01:24:36 PM
Same as I am with homemade bombs.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 01, 2018, 01:30:14 PM
Same as I am with homemade bombs.

Home made bombs are a favorite tool among many of trump’s fringy supporters. Are you in support of the right to make homemade bombs?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 01, 2018, 01:59:55 PM
Regardless - they paint a picture that every border case is a lost kid situation. 

No, they didn't. They painted the picture that over 3,000 kids were unwillingly separated from their parents, which is number provided them by the administration.

Do you expect the border patrol to decide case by case which parent/kid combinations get to enter and stay, no questions asked?  To let everyone in?  What, exactly?

They could, I don't know, do what they did before the Trump Administration instituted a zero tolerance policy this spring that they knew full well would result in kids being taken from their parents.  But for Trump the cruelty is the point.  They saw the separation policy as a deterrent. 

That you would argue that they had no choice makes clear that you either aren't following the story, or that you have no interest in discussing this in good faith.

Children were put in foster care under the Obama administration after parents were deported.  And others, like now, were able to be placed with relatives in the US.
Except with the deportation there is notice and time to arrange matters before the current were placed, usually with families. Forcible separation and immediate detaining in what are in all but name prison camps is a different matter.
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We are trying to LOWER the entries at the border.  Please - make a better effort in understanding this.
The deliberate infliction of cruelty is the issue. The means matters, regardless of the end. If you favor permanent loss of a child as punishment for seeking asylum, admit it and take the heat. Or find another policy that meets your end.
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The "3000" are the unfortunate who have been temporarily caught up in the changing system.
They were not "caught up." They were targets and examples for the enforcement of the policy.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 02:17:09 PM
Same as I am with homemade bombs.

Home made bombs are a favorite tool among many of trump’s fringy supporters. Are you in support of the right to make homemade bombs?

I support what is legal.

I think they frown upon even the making of an explosive device.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 02:41:31 PM
Re:  "gun groups logic"

- and of course you will attach this to an entire nation of Trump supporters, Republicans.....

Where did you get that,  from what I posted?   Many GOP are opposed to the extreme position.  Ghost guns are already illegal,  a policy with strong bipartisan support.   In an age with 3D printers,  banning the dissemination of blueprints for them is common sense enforcement. 

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 01, 2018, 03:23:20 PM
You need an ID card to buy milk now?
No, but if you are an idiot and  have no filter between whatever thought passes into your brain and your mouth, and have probably never set foot in a grocery store your entire adult life, you might SAY an ID is required to buy groceries.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 04:11:20 PM
I am clearly missing some context for this anecdote.   Are you self-identifying as an idiot grocery virgin who lacks a filter,  or was your anecdotal reply in response to an earlier post from said idiot, and of a satiric nature?   Or,  more alarming,  did you experience some kind of trauma that erased all grocery protocols from your mind? 

OK,  guess you mean Trump.  I sometimes forget what forum I'm in.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 04:13:35 PM
I am clearly missing some context for this anecdote.   Are you self-identifying as an idiot grocery virgin who lacks a filter,  or was your anecdotal reply in response to an earlier post from said idiot, and of a satiric nature?   Or,  more alarming,  did you experience some kind of trauma that erased all grocery protocols from your mind?   Or did you just mean you forgot your wallet and realized you would have to drive very carefully on your return trip?

Trump said you need an ID to buy groceries.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-grocery-shopping-id/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-grocery-shopping-id/index.html)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 04:19:46 PM
Yeah, man - hate those fuckers that never have to buy groceries.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 04:28:12 PM
I am clearly missing some context for this anecdote.   Are you self-identifying as an idiot grocery virgin who lacks a filter,  or was your anecdotal reply in response to an earlier post from said idiot, and of a satiric nature?   Or,  more alarming,  did you experience some kind of trauma that erased all grocery protocols from your mind?   Or did you just mean you forgot your wallet and realized you would have to drive very carefully on your return trip?

Trump said you need an ID to buy groceries.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-grocery-shopping-id/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-grocery-shopping-id/index.html)

Thanks.   I went back and modified my post,  and then saw yours.   

Wow.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 04:32:05 PM
Re:  "gun groups logic"

- and of course you will attach this to an entire nation of Trump supporters, Republicans.....

Where did you get that,  from what I posted?   Many GOP are opposed to the extreme position.  Ghost guns are already illegal,  a policy with strong bipartisan support.   In an age with 3D printers,  banning the dissemination of blueprints for them is common sense enforcement.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 01, 2018, 04:50:52 PM
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history)

TRUMP back up to 48%

51% his high water mark for the year
59% his high water mark overall
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 01, 2018, 05:21:46 PM
I am clearly missing some context for this anecdote.   Are you self-identifying as an idiot grocery virgin who lacks a filter,  or was your anecdotal reply in response to an earlier post from said idiot, and of a satiric nature?   Or,  more alarming,  did you experience some kind of trauma that erased all grocery protocols from your mind? 

OK,  guess you mean Trump.  I sometimes forget what forum I'm in.
No! NO! Our Peerless Leader is Incapable of Error!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399916-sanders-defends-trump-claim-that-grocery-stores-require-id (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399916-sanders-defends-trump-claim-that-grocery-stores-require-id)

Does she have any credibility left?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 05:45:25 PM
Yeah, man - hate those fuckers that never have to buy groceries.

I don't think anyone asserted that.

So...one should love/excuse a guy who is demonstrating how disconnected he is from the common American's experience?

Hardly a very American thing to do. We don't have royalty in this country.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 01, 2018, 05:46:48 PM
I am clearly missing some context for this anecdote.   Are you self-identifying as an idiot grocery virgin who lacks a filter,  or was your anecdotal reply in response to an earlier post from said idiot, and of a satiric nature?   Or,  more alarming,  did you experience some kind of trauma that erased all grocery protocols from your mind? 

OK,  guess you mean Trump.  I sometimes forget what forum I'm in.
No! NO! Our Peerless Leader is Incapable of Error!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399916-sanders-defends-trump-claim-that-grocery-stores-require-id (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399916-sanders-defends-trump-claim-that-grocery-stores-require-id)

Does she have any credibility left?

Well, how much did she start with?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 01, 2018, 06:58:03 PM
Trump is a screwed criminal

The GOP is a sinking ship

Kid is a rat that should have learned to swim
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 01, 2018, 09:15:44 PM
I am clearly missing some context for this anecdote.   Are you self-identifying as an idiot grocery virgin who lacks a filter,  or was your anecdotal reply in response to an earlier post from said idiot, and of a satiric nature?   Or,  more alarming,  did you experience some kind of trauma that erased all grocery protocols from your mind?   Or did you just mean you forgot your wallet and realized you would have to drive very carefully on your return trip?

Trump said you need an ID to buy groceries.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-grocery-shopping-id/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/01/politics/trump-grocery-shopping-id/index.html)

He was sort of correct..in his generalising way.

He's also correct in demanding that all voters be required to photo-ID identify themselves on election day.
...and when registering to be added to the electoral roll...in every step of the voting process.

Can't be having fake voters!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 09:22:28 PM
When I was in England,  around age 20, I attempted to buy a fish pie in a grocery and was asked for ID.   It was the checker's first day and he was confused by the pie filling being mussels in a wine sauce.   His supervisor, a kindly woman who looked like the cop* in "Broadchurch, " came over and put the young bloke's mind at rest,  that I could not get inebriated on wine-based sauces and did not need an ID.   

*Olivia Colman,  if anyone cares.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 01, 2018, 09:24:51 PM
I neglected to mention that the fish pie was delicious.   Whoever says English food is terrible has never eaten a fish pie.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 01, 2018, 11:16:55 PM
Good news!

bambu-ilk were wondering, seeking clarification.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says)

US-Australia alliance 'rock solid', Mike Pompeo says


 

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 01, 2018, 11:26:06 PM
and following on from the ANZUS Alliance good news, more wisdom...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/31/us-japan-australia-sign-infrastructure-agreement-counter-chinas/ (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/07/31/us-japan-australia-sign-infrastructure-agreement-counter-chinas/)

US, Japan and Australia sign infrastructure agreement to counter China's belt and road

Australia and Japan have joined with the United States to create a scheme for investing in countries across Asia and the Pacific in an apparent attempt to counter the growing influence of China,  whose massive Belt and Road Initiative could involve as much as £760 billion of spending over the next decade.

Describing the scheme, Mike Pompeo, the United States Secretary of State, promised a new era of engagement and pledged to “oppose” any country that attempted to dominate the Asia-Pacific, or Indo-Pacific, region.


#####

Better late than never...but China's money [oh how was China ever allowed to become what it is today?] will be far too much to counter, seems to me.








Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 02, 2018, 02:07:36 AM
Good news!

bambu-ilk were wondering, seeking clarification.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says)

US-Australia alliance 'rock solid', Mike Pompeo says

Crab grass-delusion, trump and Pompeo are never on the same page on foreign policy. You are being sold out by trump and trump-ilk. It should almost make you feel like we do in America.

Remove the douche

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/collusion-is-a-question-of-loyalty-not-legality/566606/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/collusion-is-a-question-of-loyalty-not-legality/566606/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 02, 2018, 03:30:23 AM
I remember when George HW 41 Bush was running for re-election and he was concerned about the economy.  He said if everybody just bought a little more, things would be fine.  So he took a photo-op trip to a suburban Virginia mall and bought some socks.  But he was so insulated from everyday life, that he didn't actually carry any money or credit cards and in front of a press gathering had to borrow money from a Secret Service agent to boost the economy with that sock purchase. 

There was also a time circa 1990 that Bush 41 saw a laser price scanner, which was early 80's technology, and marveled at it and asked many questions and was really impressed.  Of course by then it was in everybody else's daily life for nearly a decade.  [my first high school job was working as a cashier at a Shop-Rite grocery store, and they switched over to the laser scanners in either late '82 or early '83]

My favorite out-of-touch-with-daily-life incident was when China opened up a new mega-highway from the airport to Beijing for the Olympics.  And  .... (to be continued)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 02, 2018, 03:49:13 AM
I can’t wait Bo.

Meanwhile, even on those rare moments when republicans aren’t criminally suborning democracy, the are being criminally negligent on their actual responsibilities. Here’s just one critical example

http://www.vox.com/2018/8/1/17561014/immigration-social-security (http://www.vox.com/2018/8/1/17561014/immigration-social-security)

Trump to boomers, “Screw you!”
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 02, 2018, 05:33:35 AM
Good news!

bambu-ilk were wondering, seeking clarification.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says)

US-Australia alliance 'rock solid', Mike Pompeo says

Crab grass-delusion, trump and Pompeo are never on the same page on foreign policy. You are being sold out by trump and trump-ilk. It should almost make you feel like we do in America.

Remove the douche

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/collusion-is-a-question-of-loyalty-not-legality/566606/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/collusion-is-a-question-of-loyalty-not-legality/566606/)

Maybe if we put on a good show for the Don when he visits in Nov, we might change his mind.


 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 02, 2018, 06:32:36 AM
So long as he doesn’t come back, put on any show you like.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 02, 2018, 06:46:36 AM
http://theintercept.com/2018/07/30/medicare-for-all-cost-health-care-wages/ (http://theintercept.com/2018/07/30/medicare-for-all-cost-health-care-wages/)

Obama was a good republican, the last good republican. The truth is out.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 02, 2018, 10:04:36 AM
O was a moderate Republican in many respects.   He ran on the Left,  and then high tailed it over to the center when he saw what he was up against. 

Manafort - a $15000 ostrich skin coat...calls for a summary judgment on the charge of atrocious taste.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 02, 2018, 11:16:10 AM
I got hit with a gov't shitstorm, and then while I was out spitting on that fire, my neighbors decided it would be a good time to cut down most of my banana trees.    I actually thought everyone liked the banana trees, so it was likely just intentionally farking with me.

Anywho, back to the story:

My favorite out-of-touch-with-daily-life incident was when China opened up a new mega-highway from the airport to Beijing for the Olympics. 

This was circa 1995 when China was in the running for the 2000 Olympics, and an IOC team was coming to inspect their bid and infrastructure.  So they built this modern highway from the airport to city center to impress the IOC group.  [they also spray painted dead grass green along the route -- and no fooling part of their slogan was Green Games]

So for the inaugural ride on the fancy new highway, retired but still paramount leader Deng Xiao Ping and other high muckety-mucks rode in a few spiffy-for-China SUV's.  They pulled up to the toll booth as the inaugural customers and then there was nervousness as they weren't sure if they should pay or drive through or why they stopped anyway.  To break the tension, someone jokingly asked nonagenarian Deng if he wanted to pay the toll.  His response: "I haven't carried money since 1927."  And everybody had a good laugh.  Someone paid the toll, life went on, China was really angry when their bid was rejected ...

Some folks investigated, and indeed Deng spent 1921 - 27 studying abroad first in Paris, then Moscow.  He returned to China in 1927 for a life as a communist revolutionary.  And apparently never needed to use money for the next nearly 70 years. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 02, 2018, 11:27:54 AM
Aussie Senator suing over Aussie being an Aussie (I.E. an asshole) (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/world/australia/sarah-hanson-young-shagging-lawsuit.html)

I didn't enjoy the fact that the article didn't print up the lead up to the exchange. But otherwise.

Aussies are an upside down and backwards people. I suspect it has something to do with the Coriolis Effect. They are devolving. On the upside, soon they won't be revolting, they'll just be volting (which will probably be achieved by sticking their dicks in light sockets.)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 02, 2018, 11:30:58 AM
I got hit with a gov't shitstorm, and then while I was out spitting on that fire, my neighbors decided it would be a good time to cut down most of my banana trees.    I actually thought everyone liked the banana trees, so it was likely just intentionally farking with me.

Anywho, back to the story:

My favorite out-of-touch-with-daily-life incident was when China opened up a new mega-highway from the airport to Beijing for the Olympics. 

This was circa 1995 when China was in the running for the 2000 Olympics, and an IOC team was coming to inspect their bid and infrastructure.  So they built this modern highway from the airport to city center to impress the IOC group.  [they also spray painted dead grass green along the route -- and no fooling part of their slogan was Green Games]

So for the inaugural ride on the fancy new highway, retired but still paramount leader Deng Xiao Ping and other high muckety-mucks rode in a few spiffy-for-China SUV's.  They pulled up to the toll booth as the inaugural customers and then there was nervousness as they weren't sure if they should pay or drive through or why they stopped anyway.  To break the tension, someone jokingly asked nonagenarian Deng if he wanted to pay the toll.  His response: "I haven't carried money since 1927."  And everybody had a good laugh.  Someone paid the toll, life went on, China was really angry when their bid was rejected ...

Some folks investigated, and indeed Deng spent 1921 - 27 studying abroad first in Paris, then Moscow.  He returned to China in 1927 for a life as a communist revolutionary.  And apparently never needed to use money for the next nearly 70 years. 

Didn't he once barter an ostrich coat for a year's rent?  I mean, if you monetize a garment, is that really not using money?

Seriously.  I hope you do okay in China.  There are trends there that would make me a bit uneasy.  And I don't just mean banana tree vigilantes.  Like their new social credit system.  I would say more, but I don't want to, you know... 

Except, of course, "Xi is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life."

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 02, 2018, 12:01:50 PM
Itz - hey, she shags lots of blokes!  And then criticizes blokes!  Wots up with that, eh, mate?  Mebbe it is the Coriolis effect, or perhaps the "light sockets" have the wrong voltage "down under," wot? 

Does Knicks know we're back online, btw?  I miss him.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 02, 2018, 12:58:26 PM
Well it looks like you're stuck with me for the next few days; I got banned at the other site. ::) ::)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 02, 2018, 04:52:10 PM
Aussie Senator suing over Aussie being an Aussie (I.E. an asshole) (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/01/world/australia/sarah-hanson-young-shagging-lawsuit.html)

I didn't enjoy the fact that the article didn't print up the lead up to the exchange. But otherwise.

Aussies are an upside down and backwards people. I suspect it has something to do with the Coriolis Effect. They are devolving. On the upside, soon they won't be revolting, they'll just be volting (which will probably be achieved by sticking their dicks in light sockets.)

LOL

Well it's like this you see;

Mr. Leyonhjelm said the remark was in response to Ms. Hanson-Young saying “something along the lines of all men being rapists.”

Mr. Leyonhjelm recently used parliamentary resources to determine the number of times Ms. Hanson-Young has been ordered to withdraw comments she had made about other politicians. According to one government report, she has been asked to retract remarks 26 times since 2012, including instances where she called her fellow lawmakers “racist,” “misogynistic” and “corrupt.”


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 02, 2018, 05:17:30 PM
Meanwhile, over in NYC;

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/people-people-who-hate-white-people-are-the-wokiest-people-in-the-world/news-story/dd41fbf7887c1b36af671aabe3339e83 (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/people-people-who-hate-white-people-are-the-wokiest-people-in-the-world/news-story/dd41fbf7887c1b36af671aabe3339e83)

Tim Blair, The Daily Telegraph
August 3, 2018 3:23am


Today, new New York Times editorial board hire Sarah Jeong.

#####

Oh dear!!!
Of course, everyone knows it's ok...because White people, especially White males, are the only people that it's ok to spew hatred at/of these days.

This alleged tweet, printed in the Tim Blair article...and allegedly written by her, reads;

'oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get out of being cruel to old white men'.

#####

And there is wonderment that angry White males were on the march in Charlottesville! … and there are White nationalists in America.




Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 02, 2018, 08:39:47 PM
Regardless - they paint a picture that every border case is a lost kid situation. 

No, they didn't. They painted the picture that over 3,000 kids were unwillingly separated from their parents, which is number provided them by the administration.

Do you expect the border patrol to decide case by case which parent/kid combinations get to enter and stay, no questions asked?  To let everyone in?  What, exactly?

They could, I don't know, do what they did before the Trump Administration instituted a zero tolerance policy this spring that they knew full well would result in kids being taken from their parents.  But for Trump the cruelty is the point.  They saw the separation policy as a deterrent. 

That you would argue that they had no choice makes clear that you either aren't following the story, or that you have no interest in discussing this in good faith.

Children were put in foster care under the Obama administration after parents were deported.  And others, like now, were able to be placed with relatives in the US.

We are trying to LOWER the entries at the border.  Please - make a better effort in understanding this.

The "3000" are the unfortunate who have been temporarily caught up in the changing system.

Your sophistry is quaint.

"the changing system" was tried the year before by the administration. They knew that this issue existed, but to them it was a feature rather than a bug.

They were caught up in an intentional play by Trump, as he admitted.

I gave you the numbers of unaccompanied minors - you probably have me on ignore, but the bogus article you posted remains bogus.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 02, 2018, 08:43:23 PM
Good news!

bambu-ilk were wondering, seeking clarification.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says)

US-Australia alliance 'rock solid', Mike Pompeo says

A quick look at the archives confirms my suspicion.

You posted that already, with similar ebullience.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 02, 2018, 09:38:37 PM
Good news!

bambu-ilk were wondering, seeking clarification.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jul/25/us-australia-alliance-rock-solid-mike-pompeo-says)

US-Australia alliance 'rock solid', Mike Pompeo says

A quick look at the archives confirms my suspicion.

You posted that already, with similar ebullience.

Just a moment, while I look up the meaning of ebullience. [we only have plain English downunder]

Suspicion?
I couldn't remember if I had posted it before or not...and could not go check, as the other site/forum was kaput.

Not like I'm a serial double-up poster.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 02, 2018, 10:04:21 PM
See now, I noted what you noted about what was said to have been said.

The report on how many apologies were demanded of the woman are worthless, given that the men don't necessarily demand apologies from men. but they do of the woman.

Possibly not. but the story didn't much explain oin one direction of the other. It was a fer shit article, about a shit fer brains senator in, well you know what kind of pile it is.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2018, 10:31:42 PM
https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1024927657862025216 (https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1024927657862025216)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 02, 2018, 11:01:52 PM
https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1025090091234914306 (https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1025090091234914306)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 03, 2018, 03:04:08 AM
Any doubt that the poor white vote is what cost HRC the election? She kept pushing the new liberal elite agenda which seemed to have a strange outside finance odor. Doesnt everyone love cheap foreign oil with no dirty coal mines and cheap manual labor from foreign lands and the moderate rebels who just want the freedom to worship? It looks as if Cuomo in NY wants a piece of the pie. Open borders, free universities with open enrolment, free health care.

---Andrew Cuomo would rather fight the press than answer to corruption---

https://nypost.com/2018/08/01/andrew-cuomo-would-rather-fight-the-press-than-answer-to-corruption/ (https://nypost.com/2018/08/01/andrew-cuomo-would-rather-fight-the-press-than-answer-to-corruption/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: evvie on August 03, 2018, 08:19:47 AM
I miss Evvie and it's ambiguous sexuality, cute habit of calling everyone "Mister, " and the amusing references to an aunt.   And,  of course,  the Josh-like smorgasbord of informative links.   Nothing wrong with a repurposed sock. 

Blush

I didn't know you cared, Mr. Bart.

I thought it was just dead, after trying over a couple days. The 2008 version had been around for so long without sign of an administrator that I figured that broken was broken. But now it's back with the "newest version," AIM screen names and all! And this time we can update our profiles.

I suppose I can create a sock puppet if you really like them, but it seems like a lot more effort than it's worth.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 03, 2018, 09:06:52 AM
https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1025090091234914306 (https://twitter.com/joelpollak/status/1025090091234914306)

When you actually read a newspaper report and respond to specific facts (matters of public record accessible in multiple news sources) in it,  I will listen to you and consider your evidence.  That approach, not reporting twitter opinionators, is how a real political discussion happens among the grownups. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 03, 2018, 09:12:24 AM
Looking forward to the evvie-duty links.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 12:55:15 PM
https://twitter.com/kilmeade/status/1025333613724921856 (https://twitter.com/kilmeade/status/1025333613724921856)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 03, 2018, 01:03:09 PM
I suspect time is too short and brain cells to value of to waste any of.either on Brian Kilmeade's Twitter feed. Nice to see kid's idea of.useful links.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 01:19:24 PM
I suspect time is too short and brain cells to value of to waste any of.either on Brian Kilmeade's Twitter feed. Nice to see kid's idea of.useful links.

I don't dabble in the dark arts or the dark web, and I must admit I'm not up to snuff on Quazy conspiracy theories, but I do find Quid's links to alternative facts and alternative truths entertaining, if not at all relevant or enlightening.

Who is Q?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 01:33:52 PM
Maybe you will like this one

https://twitter.com/DarthAmin/status/1025201390732210176 (https://twitter.com/DarthAmin/status/1025201390732210176)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 03, 2018, 01:45:59 PM
The notion that one can express a worthwhile opinion in a single sentence is absurd.



wink, wink



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 03, 2018, 01:48:14 PM


Who is Q?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_(Star_Trek)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 03, 2018, 02:04:12 PM
The notion that one can express a worthwhile opinion in a single sentence is absurd.



wink, wink

The Uno philosophy of rhetoric succinctly and accurately described.

Nice work bart.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 03, 2018, 06:44:12 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025386253892694016 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025386253892694016)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 03, 2018, 07:13:16 PM
Did you ever stop and think (a novel concept for you I understand) that if we wanted to read Trump's twitter ramblings we'd go to Trump's twitter page?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 07:45:44 PM
Government of the Republicans, by the Republicans, and for the Republicans:
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/3/1785642/-National-Archives-tells-Senate-Democrats-only-Republicans-can-request-Kavanaugh-s-Bush-era-records (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/3/1785642/-National-Archives-tells-Senate-Democrats-only-Republicans-can-request-Kavanaugh-s-Bush-era-records)

But this is only the 2nd most absurd thing out of the Trump administration today.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 07:53:13 PM
Any doubt that the poor white vote is what cost HRC the election?

Yes, Luee. Plenty of doubt.

While it is very clear from both exit polling and looking at county-level maps that "poor white vote" - or more to the point, those without a college education - voted for Trump aplenty, it is equally clear that (a) without the Comey letter, Clinton would have won; (b) without the single-minded focus of the media on that letter, Clinton would have won; (c) without the Russians' efforts, Clinton would have won; (d) without the sexist belief on the part of Republicans (59%), Independents (37%), and Democrats (11%) that they do not want to see a woman be president, Clinton would have won. It's even possible that Clinton's campaigning in those areas of 3 states, she might have won.

It was not one thing. It took all of them.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 03, 2018, 07:55:22 PM
Today's winner in the "How absurd can we be?" contest among Trump administration dicta:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/03/politics/trump-administration-aclu-deported-parents/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/03/politics/trump-administration-aclu-deported-parents/index.html)

It is good to hear that the judge slammed the Trump administration's position that the ACLU, et al, should be responsible for finding the deported parents of the stranded, kidnapped kids.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on August 03, 2018, 08:11:14 PM
Quote
The administration has maintained that any parents deported without their children willingly left without them. Attorneys and immigrant advocates, however, have questioned whether the parents fully understood what they were agreeing to.   
-- from the article

Attorneys, immigrants advocates.... and persons who have ever been parents.

More bullshit from the Trump minions.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 04, 2018, 02:26:59 AM
Quote
While it is very clear from both exit polling and looking at county-level maps that "poor white vote" - or more to the point, those without a college education - voted for Trump aplenty,
    I’m guessing that deep down inside Trump views even his precious ‘base’ with a certain amount of contempt. How else does a con man view his ‘marks’? As suckers, of course. He knows that he sold them a bottle of snake oil, and he probably thinks that they are fools for having bought his pig in a poke. I’m also thinking that this is part of the reason that he despises Obama so much. He knows that millions of Obama fans truly do admire Obama, and that probably chaffes his ass because he knows that if his fans ever discover that he bamboozled them they would turn on him en masse in a New York minute.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 04:08:39 AM
The path to saving this country is speeding up the process by which they turn exponentially
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 04, 2018, 01:15:11 PM
https://apnews.com/06efed5ede4d461fb2eac5b2c89e3c11/Election-crackdown-runs-into-speed-tweeting-human-'bots' (https://apnews.com/06efed5ede4d461fb2eac5b2c89e3c11/Election-crackdown-runs-into-speed-tweeting-human-'bots')

This grandma wants to keep the gullibles swigging snake oil.   Good God,  14 hours a day.   She might as well be a bot.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 02:02:56 PM
Someone has to keep the knowledge of how the NRA has done the bidding of our foreign enemy for the chance to launder the proceeds of crime and terror for nearly a decade as the evidence in the forms of photos, footage, finances, corporate actions, and bodily fluids (thanks Maria!) pile up.

Neal Stevenson prefigured that grandma and her Kid-like, Bambu-like compulsions in his novel, Snow Crash.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
Hey Josh

Got a dumspter fire here

I'd include this forum in the slimdown.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 03:14:53 PM
Nothing requires you to post here on this thread.  We'll miss your insight, but we'll do our best to get by.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
2 sentences?  Wow - really stepping out  :)

You are obviously here to be informed, not participate.  So I will keep informing you.

Here's one:

https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1025814730127093760 (https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1025814730127093760)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 04:10:03 PM
I haven't read any of your Twitter links. It's precious that you think I do.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 04:26:00 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256)

I forward all of these to Bob Mueller for his massive obstruction file and to the CDC so they can follow the transmission vectors.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 05:00:20 PM
https://twitter.com/KarlTowns/status/1025612352769671168 (https://twitter.com/KarlTowns/status/1025612352769671168)

Guess KAT didnt have civics class (or wasnt required to attend) in high school.

Shall we investigate how many credit hours he earned at KY?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 04, 2018, 05:10:13 PM
Did you learn apostrophes during your "school" years?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 05:14:36 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256)

I forward all of these to Bob Mueller for his massive obstruction file and to the CDC so they can follow the transmission vectors.

I like Mueller

His work just about through, one has to wonder what his future holds.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 05:17:19 PM
Hey Josh

Got a dumspter fire here

I'd include this forum in the slimdown.

If you would like, Kid, if I gain the ability I can make sure you cease having problems with what is posted in it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 05:27:41 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256)

I forward all of these to Bob Mueller for his massive obstruction file and to the CDC so they can follow the transmission vectors.

I like Mueller

His work just about through, one has to wonder what his future holds.

GOP nominee in 2020, if there is a GOP in 2020.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 05:59:14 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/04/freedom-caucus-brat-perry-conservatives-election-midterm-danger-761955 (http://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/04/freedom-caucus-brat-perry-conservatives-election-midterm-danger-761955)

Walking the middle of the American road means first paving it over the grave of the republican party and it’s repulsive exterior organs like the NRA. More voters are starting to understand this. Trump helps spread this knowledge through his daily shambolic idiocy. His minions do everything in their powers to reinforce this message. They are so proud of how much they suck at what they do.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:06:27 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256)

I forward all of these to Bob Mueller for his massive obstruction file and to the CDC so they can follow the transmission vectors.

I like Mueller

His work just about through, one has to wonder what his future holds.

GOP nominee in 2020, if there is a GOP in 2020.

I think a younger guy would do better

Not all older dudes have Trump's energy.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 06:08:46 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1025833273191264256)

I forward all of these to Bob Mueller for his massive obstruction file and to the CDC so they can follow the transmission vectors.

I like Mueller

His work just about through, one has to wonder what his future holds.

GOP nominee in 2020, if there is a GOP in 2020.

I think a younger guy would do better

Not all older dudes have Trump's energy.

You are funny, sometimes, even if it is unintentional.

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/22/trump-stamina-skips-event-slips-up-exhausted-abroad/22104047/ (https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/05/22/trump-stamina-skips-event-slips-up-exhausted-abroad/22104047/)

Nor is that the only such example.

Of course, he might be exhausted from all the time he takes away from the job.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 04, 2018, 06:10:13 PM
On the issue of Puerto Rico...

Puerto Rico needs to focus on tourism, they need to make it nice for the tourists, they can make money that way. In Orange County, California, tourism creates over one hundred and sixty thousand jobs, alone.

And as Puerto Rico rebuilds they need to go GREEN, with solar, wind, etc, and each area needs to own its own electric company, and some of the money from the electric bills can go into a general fund, and some of the money from the general fund can go towards improving each area, and it can go towards helping the homeless, etc.

Also, Puerto Rico needs to become a state of the USA, they need equal statehood, like Hawaii.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 06:12:12 PM
Questioning the President's energy is a low point for even you.

It's Ms Clinton that was fainting during the 2016 election season.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 06:28:15 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/04/politics/steven-seagal-russia-special-representative/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/04/politics/steven-seagal-russia-special-representative/index.html)

I hadn't noticed that noted secret agent Seagal had defected in 2016.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 04, 2018, 06:43:20 PM
Questioning the President's energy is a low point for even you.

It's Ms Clinton that was fainting during the 2016 election season.

Don't have the archive now but weren't you one of the posters pointing out Hillary's stumble?   

Let's focus on policy issues and the POTUS's ethical conduct and job competence.  If that's what you're inviting us to do,  then I agree.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 07:02:54 PM
Treason’s frontman’s declining health and focus are by far his two best features.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 04, 2018, 07:45:52 PM
LeBron and Trump

Wanna dish it out?
...get ready to duck when it comes flying back.

Wanna buy a ticket to ride the 'politics' express?
The ride can be bumpy.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:34:48 PM
Some assclown showhost actually asked the question:

"If they HAD nobody else and asked you (LeBron) to run against Trump, what would you say?"

Need more IQ points in visual media.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 04, 2018, 08:35:45 PM
We need to keep all of the forums, we do not need to reduce the number of forums.

If you do not like all of the threads, then stay off of the threads that you do not want, but leave the threads there for the people who do want the threads.

And Escape From Elba is great for people in nursing homes, and in hospitals, etc, as well as for students, etc, the more threads the better, we need to keep all of the threads.

Please do not reduce the number of forums.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 08:51:31 PM
https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1025496884977254400 (https://twitter.com/DailyCaller/status/1025496884977254400)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
Quote
All three of the wives and both daughters would rather be with LeBron than trump.

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/melania-trump-stands-apart-from-her-husband-says-nice-things-about-lebron-james.html (http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/melania-trump-stands-apart-from-her-husband-says-nice-things-about-lebron-james.html)

Melania is open about it.

LeBron never raped Ivana so makes King James her clear choice.

Marla is still probably getting shots because of how badly donald lost his personal Vietnam.

Tiffany, the trump with the closest thing to taste, knows what’s up.

Ivanka won’t tell daddy, but she’s got league pass.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 09:45:34 PM
Country is just whacky enough to elect LeBron - yes.

And who the fuck knows - maybe he'd delegate well enough to do a decent job

But it would be embarassing to have LBJ as your nominee. wouldnt it?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 04, 2018, 09:56:47 PM
Country is just whacky enough to elect LeBron - yes.

And who the fuck knows - maybe he'd delegate well enough to do a decent job

But it would be embarassing to have LBJ as your nominee. wouldnt it?

Last time we ran an LBJ he took the seat.

He’s done more for education than the DeVoss family in its whole history.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 10:01:42 PM
Damn - I was there a month too early...

https://twitter.com/JNTHN_LCKWD/status/1025843952241369088 (https://twitter.com/JNTHN_LCKWD/status/1025843952241369088)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 04, 2018, 10:21:14 PM
Any doubt that the poor white vote is what cost HRC the election?

Yes, Luee. Plenty of doubt.

While it is very clear from both exit polling and looking at county-level maps that "poor white vote" - or more to the point, those without a college education - voted for Trump aplenty, it is equally clear that (a) without the Comey letter, Clinton would have won; (b) without the single-minded focus of the media on that letter, Clinton would have won; (c) without the Russians' efforts, Clinton would have won; (d) without the sexist belief on the part of Republicans (59%), Independents (37%), and Democrats (11%) that they do not want to see a woman be president, Clinton would have won. It's even possible that Clinton's campaigning in those areas of 3 states, she might have won.

It was not one thing. It took all of them.

Coal mines are dirty and filthy and have to be eliminated? The rights of the illegal immigrants?

---In February 2017, Stanley Greenberg, a Democratic pollster and strategist, conducted four postelection focus groups with white voters who had cast ballots for Trump in Macomb County, Michigan, an area he has been studying since 1985. The participants were not Republicans. They were whites without college degrees who identified themselves as independents, as Democratic-leaning independents, or as Democrats who voted for Obama in 2008, 2012 or both.


“Immigration is a powerful issue for these Trump voters, representing a demand that citizens come before noncitizens, Americans before foreigners, and that we take care of home first before abroad,” Greenberg wrote in his report for The Roosevelt Institute:---

HRC had these elitist agendas that were not pro-union.

---How Immigration Foiled Hillary---

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/clinton-trump-immigration.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/clinton-trump-immigration.html)

Also conspiracies from Russians, the FBI, and misogynists? I voted for her because the Donald is insane and fascist but she made it a very difficult choice which it should not have been.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 10:32:04 PM
Country is just whacky enough to elect LeBron - yes.

And who the fuck knows - maybe he'd delegate well enough to do a decent job

But it would be embarassing to have LBJ as your nominee. wouldnt it?

Last time we ran an LBJ he took the seat.



Then he turned ass and ran away
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 11:21:11 PM
https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/blog_generic_support_women_republicans.jpg (https://www.motherjones.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/blog_generic_support_women_republicans.jpg)

Steve Bannon says that the White College-educated Republican woman is extinct.

He's not quite right, but that sure is the trend. And don't think that the mass abduction of the children and then reluctance to reunite them ("The ACLU should return find the deported parents" according to the Trump administration) is lost on them, no matter what bs they try to spin, like the one Kiid quoted and defended.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 11:25:03 PM
Any doubt that the poor white vote is what cost HRC the election?

Yes, Luee. Plenty of doubt.

While it is very clear from both exit polling and looking at county-level maps that "poor white vote" - or more to the point, those without a college education - voted for Trump aplenty, it is equally clear that (a) without the Comey letter, Clinton would have won; (b) without the single-minded focus of the media on that letter, Clinton would have won; (c) without the Russians' efforts, Clinton would have won; (d) without the sexist belief on the part of Republicans (59%), Independents (37%), and Democrats (11%) that they do not want to see a woman be president, Clinton would have won. It's even possible that Clinton's campaigning in those areas of 3 states, she might have won.

It was not one thing. It took all of them.

Coal mines are dirty and filthy and have to be eliminated? The rights of the illegal immigrants?

---In February 2017, Stanley Greenberg, a Democratic pollster and strategist, conducted four postelection focus groups with white voters who had cast ballots for Trump in Macomb County, Michigan, an area he has been studying since 1985. The participants were not Republicans. They were whites without college degrees who identified themselves as independents, as Democratic-leaning independents, or as Democrats who voted for Obama in 2008, 2012 or both.


“Immigration is a powerful issue for these Trump voters, representing a demand that citizens come before noncitizens, Americans before foreigners, and that we take care of home first before abroad,” Greenberg wrote in his report for The Roosevelt Institute:---

HRC had these elitist agendas that were not pro-union.

"Elitist" means you think we should be ashamed of having a college education. I get it, Luee.

But nothing you said here responds to what I said in the slightest.

I granted that white people without a college degree voted against her.

What you fail to understand is how many of those you mention were searching for excuses - and buying into lies that excused them from any responsibility for their own lives' situations.

But also, how many of them could not conceive of a woman as president and would fall back on any excuse they could find for not voting for her.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 11:26:27 PM
The Obama administration separated families that had crossed the border

Went widely unreported.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 04, 2018, 11:38:10 PM
The Obama administration separated families that had crossed the border

Went widely unreported.

No, it got reported.

Some of us protested it then, too, Kiid.

And it got challenged in court and stopped.

But what you continue to refuse to acknowledge is that the numbers were miniscule compared to what Trump did, that Trump did it intentionally as a deterrent and as a form of blackmail to force the Dems to agree to pay for his Wall (which he admitted, albeit without the word "blackmail"), and that the Obama administration intentionally kept track of where the kids were going and had no difficulty reuniting families.

Trump made the policy an absolute one. "Zero tolerance."
Trump changed the policy to have border crossers handled in criminal court rather than civil to excuse the kidnapping of the children.
Trump had the Border Patrol block legal asylum applicants and applications.
Trump had them take children from  legitimate border crossing families.
Trump planned this a year in advance, with a trial run of his program.
Trump's people intentionally did not keep records of which kids were sent where.
Trump's administration has dragged its feet about reuniting families time and again with efforts to say "We put the kids with foster families, now. That should be enough, right?" and "The ACLU should find the parents that got deported, not us." and "Those parents abandoned their children. It's not our fault."

Your ongoing support for this immoral operation speaks volumes to your inhumanity, Kiid, at least as much as the actions do to the Trump administration's, starting with the rotting head of government.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 04, 2018, 11:51:02 PM
But it would be embarassing to have LBJ as your nominee. wouldnt it?

No more embarrassing than Trump or Hillary, McCain or W. Bush, Biden or Palin.

It's tough to get up to speed on so many issues.  Trump blustered through the process and often didn't understand the issues.  Then again as a pro athlete, there is a lot of down time, and LeBJ could spend the season with advisors tutoring him on an issue every few weeks.  With major study time in the Summer.

It will be interesting to see if there is a backlash against celebrities and non-pols running for high office given the level of chaos, unpredictability, sketchy ideas poorly implemented and lack of decorum Trump has brought.  Or if it simply becomes the new normal as our society continues to decay. 

Certainly the Dems aren't making the case that celebs and amateurs are bad at politics because they are unprepared, don't understand the issues and ad-hockery is not the way to run a country.  Maybe the GOP will make that case, and it will be interesting to see if Romney or any Repub runs against Trump's reelection.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 04, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
Zero tolerance unequal to zero reuniting.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 05, 2018, 12:15:24 AM
Deportations under Obama were way up.
I mostly assumed due to the Bush Recession and weakened economy, the US became less tolerant of immigrants looking for jobs.
There was criticism of Obama's deportation policies by those on the left, I'd frequently see minor stories about it, especially in the last term.  Trump is the one who rather intentionally brought the issue of separating children from parents into the forefront.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 12:24:41 AM
Zero tolerance unequal to zero reuniting.

Sure.

Who said otherwise?

That the policy was against reuniting doesn't mean that it had to be linked to the zero tolerance policy. Nothing about ZTP required shipping the kids all over or intentionally not keeping records or striving to not reunite families, even after the judge told them to.

They were linked by active choice.

And again, why the fuck are you trying to defend that immoral set of actions?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 05, 2018, 12:36:45 AM
Last time we ran an LBJ he took the seat.

Then he turned ass and ran away

LBJ retired to his ranch, and reportedly let his hair grow long and constantly listened to Simon & Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water.
Died two days after what would have been his 2nd full term expired.


The next Prez election is going to be quite interesting.  Will Trump be healthy enough or still interested in running the country?  He could just bluster that he accomplished everything he wanted to in one term and wants to retire as the greatest president ever.  But he does seem to like the campaigning shtick more than the governing.  Will there be any serious GOP primary challenge if Trump does run again?  Someone who promises to carry out more or less the same GOP agenda Trump is pushing but without all the drama and chaos, confusion and division.  A uniter?  Without a primary challenge to eaken him, Trump will be formidable with the resources of Twitter and the Wh at his disposal.  Unless folks just got plain tired of him by then.

Right now, Liz Warren has to be the DEM front-runner and she's tough and smart.

Speaking of RFK, Mark Shields said:
“We have never had a tough liberal. He [RFK] was the last tough liberal. Every one after him was a can’t-we-get-along, bleeding-heart liberal. He was a tough son of a bitch.’’
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 05, 2018, 12:39:39 AM
Quote
And again, why the fuck are you trying to defend that immoral set of actions?
Because nothing is as important as propping up and defending his hero, Donald Trump…..nothing.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 05, 2018, 12:48:36 AM
Elitist=no more dirty coal mines
Elitist= cheap immigrant labor for nannies and votes even if they do not assimilate well and are often violent and xenophobic
Elitist=no more veterans
Elitist=no more unions and dumb blue collars
Elitist=environment over everything

Often Pro-Saudi and pro Nato
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 05, 2018, 12:58:52 AM
Quote
Right now, Liz Warren has to be the DEM front-runner and she's tough and smart.
    Warren would be a great president…..intelligent, compassionate, informed, experienced (all the things Trump is not)…..the only thing I worry about is the woman president thing. A woman president will come sooner or later, but the 2018 and 2020 elections are shaping up to be the most important elections in our history. Many people feel that the whole future of our democratic republic lies in the balance. Donald Trump must be defeated before he turns this country into a right-wing oligarchy, and I’m not sure if we can risk anything new or unknown for 2020. We need the surest, sure thing that we have. Perhaps a strong woman VP candidate at this time (Warren or Kamala Harris?).
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 05, 2018, 01:23:09 AM

My unrealistic choice is Tulsi Gabbard

Not a phony baloney liberal elitist.



---She served in a field medical unit of the Hawaii Army National Guard in a combat zone in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 and was deployed to Kuwait from 2008 to 2009.[5] Gabbard previously served in the Hawaii House of Representatives from 2002 to 2004, becoming at age 21 the youngest woman to be elected to a U.S. state legislature at the time.[6]

Gabbard is noted for her unorthodox political positions within her party.[7] Gabbard supports abortion rights, opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has called for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and changed her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012. She denounces aspects of American government policy in wars like those in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and opposes removal of Bashar al-Assad from power, arguing that the country's civil war is a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 02:09:20 AM
Right now, Liz Warren has to be the DEM front-runner and she's tough and smart.

She'd be the front-runner if she were running.

I would be very surprised if she ran, despite folks' interpretations of today's talk shows.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 02:16:08 AM
Elitist=no more dirty coal mines
Elitist= cheap immigrant labor for nannies and votes even if they do not assimilate well and are often violent and xenophobic
Elitist=no more veterans
Elitist=no more unions and dumb blue collars
Elitist=environment over everything

Often Pro-Saudi and pro Nato

None of that except the nannies and "no more unions" have anything to do with elitism and even those barely.

The problem is not the dirty coal mines, Luee. It's the dirty burning of coal. But coal's problems are mostly not environmental, even as I wish that were accepted: they're economic. When it takes the federal (small government is good!) government to prop up their business, then you know it is the money. (Remember when the GOP was saying federal bailouts were a bad thing?)

Why you are insisting that blue collar = dumb I don't claim to know, but I'm pretty sure you are the person saying it, not anybody here and not anybody on the campaign trail.

You still haven't responded to anything I said in response to your "anybody doubt?" post.

And wtf, "no more veterans?" How do you propose to do that (or how do you think the so-called elitists propose to do that)? Kill them all? Decrease their benefits (as proposed by the current administration)?

"Pro-NATO" as elitist.

Wow, Luee, you are off on your own little planet.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 02:30:23 AM

My unrealistic choice is Tulsi Gabbard

Not a phony baloney liberal elitist.



---She served in a field medical unit of the Hawaii Army National Guard in a combat zone in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 and was deployed to Kuwait from 2008 to 2009.[5] Gabbard previously served in the Hawaii House of Representatives from 2002 to 2004, becoming at age 21 the youngest woman to be elected to a U.S. state legislature at the time.[6]

Gabbard is noted for her unorthodox political positions within her party.[7] Gabbard supports abortion rights, opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has called for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and changed her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012. She denounces aspects of American government policy in wars like those in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and opposes removal of Bashar al-Assad from power, arguing that the country's civil war is a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard)

What makes those, except for the al-Assad component, peculiar for her party? Supporting abortion rights is hardly novel. The TPP opposition and support both cross party lines. Glass-Steagall is another piece that is pretty common - Clinton opposed it, as proposed, because it would not have prevented the 2008 problem and she wanted something stronger that would have gone beyond G-S.

Who didn't denounce how we handled Iraq, even among those who believed we should be there even after we discovered there were no WMD there.

I like Tulsi Gabbard, Luee, but none of what you listed make her particularly stand out. She has other redeeming features.

But she would be under 40 on Inauguration Day, 2021, and I think that would be very hard for a ton of voters.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 03:08:04 AM
https://www.stripes.com/news/coast-guard-icebreaker-funding-reallocated-to-us-mexico-border-wall-1.540857#.W2W7OGt98xQ.twitter (https://www.stripes.com/news/coast-guard-icebreaker-funding-reallocated-to-us-mexico-border-wall-1.540857#.W2W7OGt98xQ.twitter)

Another boon to Russia, another slap to America.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 05, 2018, 03:32:16 AM
No, FDR the leader of the "new deal" and father of the new Democratic party was not pro-immigration and he did not turn away the blue collar vote. He put large numbers to work in NRA projects.

---The Donald Trump campaign is slamming Hillary Clinton for saying that half of Trump’s supporters belong in a "basket of deplorables.  "Speaking at the LGBT for Hillary Gala in New York City on Sept. 9, 2016, Clinton said that Trump’s supporters were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic." Trump said the remarks showed "her true contempt for everyday Americans."---

Her plan was to reeducate and retrain the citizens she put out of work. So compassionate!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 05, 2018, 04:54:42 AM

My unrealistic choice is Tulsi Gabbard

Not a phony baloney liberal elitist.



---She served in a field medical unit of the Hawaii Army National Guard in a combat zone in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 and was deployed to Kuwait from 2008 to 2009.[5] Gabbard previously served in the Hawaii House of Representatives from 2002 to 2004, becoming at age 21 the youngest woman to be elected to a U.S. state legislature at the time.[6]

Gabbard is noted for her unorthodox political positions within her party.[7] Gabbard supports abortion rights, opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has called for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and changed her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012. She denounces aspects of American government policy in wars like those in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and opposes removal of Bashar al-Assad from power, arguing that the country's civil war is a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard)

What makes those, except for the al-Assad component, peculiar for her party? Supporting abortion rights is hardly novel. The TPP opposition and support both cross party lines. Glass-Steagall is another piece that is pretty common - Clinton opposed it, as proposed, because it would not have prevented the 2008 problem and she wanted something stronger that would have gone beyond G-S.

Who didn't denounce how we handled Iraq, even among those who believed we should be there even after we discovered there were no WMD there.

I like Tulsi Gabbard, Luee, but none of what you listed make her particularly stand out. She has other redeeming features.

But she would be under 40 on Inauguration Day, 2021, and I think that would be very hard for a ton of voters.

She served her country, she is a democrat, she did not drink the Saudi moderate rebel kool aid and she definitely is not a liberal elitist of the Clinton-Warren ilk. Most importantly she has proven she can win elections. Assad was a big issue for me he was the only leader of the time who fought ISIS and won. Half the world would have worn black masks and butchered Christians.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 06:16:43 AM
Mitch McConnell starved and shrunk the 2009 National Recovery act. His subsequent crimes and attacks on America, it’s people, and the constitution overshadow this sordid episode in his history.

While people defend coal mining it’s strange they never mention the asbestos industry which has lost even more jobs from its peak, or makers of lead paint or makers of watches with faces imbedded with uranium so they glow in the dark. There are many jobs lost to litigation and regulation in those industries, but very little righteous indignation from “populists”.

Trump deplores anyone and anything not actively kissing his ass. If he didn’t deplore his supporters so much he’d put a little time in every now and again actually doing his job.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 08:03:55 AM
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All three of the wives and both daughters would rather be with LeBron than trump.

Here’s an early return,

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/melania-trump-stands-apart-from-her-husband-says-nice-things-about-lebron-james.html (http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/melania-trump-stands-apart-from-her-husband-says-nice-things-about-lebron-james.html)

Melania is open about it.

LeBron never raped Ivana, so King James by default is her clear choice.

Marla is still probably getting shots because of how badly donald lost his personal Vietnam.

Tiffany, the trump with the closest thing to taste, knows what’s up.

Ivanka won’t tell daddy, but she’s got a subscription to NBA league pass.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 05, 2018, 10:41:10 AM
Tulsi is not an elitist,  but what does that epithet really mean in terms of actual policy positions in the party?   I hear it used as a put down,  but which party has the most definable record of passing legislation which favors an elite group in America?   Perhaps Luee et al could offer some insight.

Tulsi is a PILF.   And would get my vote as the first POTUSILF.  (insert Roy Orbison growl here)   

Warren,  however,  as others point out here,  has more of the asskicking quality we need.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 10:44:52 AM
Treason Greetings from the White House

Trump tweets about Jr's Russian meetings


Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it! ;)


Legal collusion=conspiracy with our enemies=treason.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on August 05, 2018, 11:48:36 AM
Tulsi's snuggling up to Assad kills the ILF part for me.  Well,  almost.   

I stopped reading Trump tweets.   That stuff will eat a hole in your brain.   Just bear in mind every tweet of his boils down to,  "I am awesome.   Anyone who says otherwise is a horrible lying sack of shit. " 

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 05, 2018, 12:15:09 PM
Elitist positions;

Open borders, screw the unions and working poor and those that went through the process legally.

Open enrollment and free education. Everybody deserves it.

Screw the vets. Not needed, everyone loves us.

No dirty coal mines or oil wells. Think of the beautiful landscapes ruined and bears and reindeer who have to listen and see the man made monstrosities. We can by cheap oil from our Saudi friends.




Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 05, 2018, 12:24:41 PM
The mere fact that these are positions (which, if you are ascribing all of them to the Democratic Party, are mischaracterized anyway) which you happen to disagree with does not make them "elitist."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 01:25:45 PM
No, FDR the leader of the "new deal" and father of the new Democratic party was not pro-immigration and he did not turn away the blue collar vote. He put large numbers to work in NRA projects.

---The Donald Trump campaign is slamming Hillary Clinton for saying that half of Trump’s supporters belong in a "basket of deplorables.  "Speaking at the LGBT for Hillary Gala in New York City on Sept. 9, 2016, Clinton said that Trump’s supporters were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic." Trump said the remarks showed "her true contempt for everyday Americans."---

Her plan was to reeducate and retrain the citizens she put out of work. So compassionate!

Was somebody claiming otherwise about FDR?

FDR only had problems with some immigrants.

Yes, you quote Trump and the news well. How exciting for you.
Quote
Clinton said that Trump’s supporters were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic."

So, here we are in July, 2018. What's the word on the street?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/worker-retraining-needed-to-maintain-growth-white-house-says (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/economy/worker-retraining-needed-to-maintain-growth-white-house-says)
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“There simply are not enough unemployed workers in the current pool of those looking for work to match the growth in demand for new workers unleashed by the Trump administration’s pro-growth policies,” President Trump’s Council of Economic Advisers wrote in a 29-page analysis. “Rather, employment gains must also come from working-age Americans returning to employment from the sidelines.”
...
Another option would be to allow government grants, along the lines of Pell Grants, to be used for older workers seeking retraining, rather than just younger students pursuing education.

Oddly enough, that seems to be a fair description of a substantial bulk of his supporters, if not each of them being all of those. Do you disagree? Do you think it is only 40% rather than the 50% she claimed?

Her plan was to reeducate and retrain out of work citizens. What do you think Tulsi Gabbard's plan is going to be? Do you expect her to be less aggressive on climate issues than Clinton?!

Really?

https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-s-act-gains-momentum-congress (https://gabbard.house.gov/news/press-releases/rep-tulsi-gabbard-s-act-gains-momentum-congress)
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“It’s long overdue for Congress to take action to address the threat of climate change to our people and our planet,” said Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard. “We must end our addiction to fossil fuels and transition America toward a clean, sustainable energy economy and prioritize our future. I urge my fellow lawmakers to join us in supporting the OFF Act to put our country on the path to a 100 percent clean energy economy.”
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 01:41:15 PM

My unrealistic choice is Tulsi Gabbard

Not a phony baloney liberal elitist.



---She served in a field medical unit of the Hawaii Army National Guard in a combat zone in Iraq from 2004 to 2005 and was deployed to Kuwait from 2008 to 2009.[5] Gabbard previously served in the Hawaii House of Representatives from 2002 to 2004, becoming at age 21 the youngest woman to be elected to a U.S. state legislature at the time.[6]

Gabbard is noted for her unorthodox political positions within her party.[7] Gabbard supports abortion rights, opposed the Trans-Pacific Partnership, has called for a restoration of the Glass–Steagall Act, and changed her stance to support same-sex marriage in 2012. She denounces aspects of American government policy in wars like those in Iraq, Libya, and Syria, and opposes removal of Bashar al-Assad from power, arguing that the country's civil war is a source of the Syrian refugee crisis.---

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsi_Gabbard)

What makes those, except for the al-Assad component, peculiar for her party? Supporting abortion rights is hardly novel. The TPP opposition and support both cross party lines. Glass-Steagall is another piece that is pretty common - Clinton opposed it, as proposed, because it would not have prevented the 2008 problem and she wanted something stronger that would have gone beyond G-S.

Who didn't denounce how we handled Iraq, even among those who believed we should be there even after we discovered there were no WMD there.

I like Tulsi Gabbard, Luee, but none of what you listed make her particularly stand out. She has other redeeming features.

But she would be under 40 on Inauguration Day, 2021, and I think that would be very hard for a ton of voters.

She served her country, she is a democrat, she did not drink the Saudi moderate rebel kool aid and she definitely is not a liberal elitist of the Clinton-Warren ilk. Most importantly she has proven she can win elections. Assad was a big issue for me he was the only leader of the time who fought ISIS and won. Half the world would have worn black masks and butchered Christians.

"She has proven she can win elections."

Luee, her district has never elected a Republican. Never.

When they have had wide open special elections, without primaries, no GOP candidate has reached 10% of the vote, while 2 or 3 Dems finished ahead of them. They have not topped 30% since 2006 and have not topped 40% since 1972!!

She has proven nothing by winning in the Hawaiian 2nd Congressional District.

Please, Luee, stop and think before you post this bullshit. Or at least research, first?

p.s. Her father got 37.23% as the GOP candidate for that seat in 2004, but he shifted to become a Democrat in 2007 and is a current state senator.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 01:45:36 PM
Elitist positions;

Open borders, screw the unions and working poor and those that went through the process legally.

Open enrollment and free education. Everybody deserves it.

Screw the vets. Not needed, everyone loves us.

No dirty coal mines or oil wells. Think of the beautiful landscapes ruined and bears and reindeer who have to listen and see the man made monstrosities. We can by cheap oil from our Saudi friends.

What makes it elitist?

If you wanted to claim it's Neo-liberal, I could understand it.

But what does elitism have to do with anything beyond disdain for the racists, misogynists, xenophobes, etc? (And even that I would argue has nothing to do with elitism, but it is closer as it claims superiority to them.)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 02:00:16 PM
Gabbard will be a Senator in time.

She's a Hindu (ahem-woman).  Not sure we will ever elect one to highest office.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 02:03:28 PM
Gabbard will be a Senator in time.

She's a Hindu (ahem-woman).  Not sure we will ever elect one to highest office.

Yup.

A substantial percentage of Americans are bigots, including approximately half of the Trump supporters.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 02:12:06 PM
Hey, I can post twits, too!

https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/1026095781583892480 (https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/1026095781583892480)
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Pres. Trump's attorney Jay Sekulow on previously denying that the president was involved in putting out a statement on the Trump Tower meeting: "I had bad information at that time and made a mistake in my statement ... over time facts develop"

Gee, wonder where his bad information could have come from!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 02:19:59 PM
Might turn that around -

where would Jay have gotten DIFFERENT information?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 05, 2018, 02:27:21 PM
A truth-telling client?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 02:33:27 PM
So the guy was just doing his job.

Got it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 02:34:09 PM
"I think you are fuckin lying", might not have been a good way to approach the president.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 03:02:12 PM
"I think you are fuckin lying", might not have been a good way to approach the president.

It’s the only way to approach him. A lot more people should have been doing it a lot more a lot sooner. Now we are all making up for lost time.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 03:07:08 PM
"I think you are fuckin lying", might not have been a good way to approach the president.

perhaps a more conciliatory, non-threatening approach, such as, "Mr President are you capable of telling the truth?"

But as the conclusion seems to be no he can't, he's a pathological liar, and the decision to keep him from Mueller and giving sworn testimony has been made.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 05, 2018, 03:30:11 PM
"I think you are fuckin lying", might not have been a good way to approach the president.
You seem perfectly happy to support a president to whom his lawyer might be compeled to say that.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 03:31:03 PM
"I think you are fuckin lying", might not have been a good way to approach the president.

It’s the only way to approach him. A lot more people should have been doing it a lot more a lot sooner. Now we are all making up for lost time.

No.  Nobody in Sekulow's position has - or would - whether it be Obama, Trump or the future President James.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 03:31:42 PM
"I think you are fuckin lying", might not have been a good way to approach the president.
You seem perfectly happy to support a president to whom his lawyer might be compeled to say that.

Support how?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 03:38:29 PM
https://twitter.com/FoxNewsSunday/status/1026093869321121794 (https://twitter.com/FoxNewsSunday/status/1026093869321121794)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 03:43:51 PM
"I think you are fuckin lying", might not have been a good way to approach the president.

It’s the only way to approach him. A lot more people should have been doing it a lot more a lot sooner. Now we are all making up for lost time.

No.  Nobody in Sekulow's position has - or would - whether it be Obama, Trump or the future President James.

Lawyers of prominent individuals have been calling out their clients' lies for a long time. That includes presidents - Nixon and Clinton among them.

But you don't care and we know it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 03:45:45 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/opinions/trump-lebron-pattern-opinion-obeidallah/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/opinions/trump-lebron-pattern-opinion-obeidallah/index.html)

Donald Trump seeks to prove that he is a racist, despite resistance from people like Kiid and RSW and Bamboozled.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 03:50:35 PM
Trump’s lawyers’ ethical duty is to walk away from trump until a public defender is appointed by the court. That lawyer, as the last recourse except self-representation, can get as salty as necessary with the client and even expose him to a few hard truths and interesting quirks of our legal system in the service of his defense.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 05, 2018, 03:51:44 PM
Elitist positions;

Open borders, screw the unions and working poor and those that went through the process legally.

Open enrollment and free education. Everybody deserves it.

Screw the vets. Not needed, everyone loves us.

No dirty coal mines or oil wells. Think of the beautiful landscapes ruined and bears and reindeer who have to listen and see the man made monstrosities. We can by cheap oil from our Saudi friends.

What makes it elitist?

If you wanted to claim it's Neo-liberal, I could understand it.

But what does elitism have to do with anything beyond disdain for the racists, misogynists, xenophobes, etc? (And even that I would argue has nothing to do with elitism, but it is closer as it claims superiority to them.)

More of a disdain for the values and lifestyles of anyone who is not an ivy lawyer. Particularly blue collar workers. You just cannot go to W. Virginia and tell voters you want to do away with coal mines.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 04:17:52 PM
Elitist positions;

Open borders, screw the unions and working poor and those that went through the process legally.

Open enrollment and free education. Everybody deserves it.

Screw the vets. Not needed, everyone loves us.

No dirty coal mines or oil wells. Think of the beautiful landscapes ruined and bears and reindeer who have to listen and see the man made monstrosities. We can by cheap oil from our Saudi friends.

What makes it elitist?

If you wanted to claim it's Neo-liberal, I could understand it.

But what does elitism have to do with anything beyond disdain for the racists, misogynists, xenophobes, etc? (And even that I would argue has nothing to do with elitism, but it is closer as it claims superiority to them.)

More of a disdain for the values and lifestyles of anyone who is not an ivy lawyer. Particularly blue collar workers. You just cannot go to W. Virginia and tell voters you want to do away with coal mines.

It was a dumb line.

But it is still true and has nothing to do with elitism, Luee.

Nothing.

Your opinions not withstanding, Clinton's demonstrated more caring and understanding of the poor and working poor than you seem to be able to acknowledge - more than Bernie, to be sure. But her comment there was, according to her, her biggest regret of the campaign.

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"I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country," she said . "Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

She quickly added that she wanted to help coal miners and other workers who gave their health and sometimes their lives to produce the nation's energy.

"And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people," she added. "Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories."

Your disdain for Elizabeth Warren is even more misplaced.

You come across as a faux-progressive who has swallowed the talking points against HRC without really understanding them or where they came from.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 04:34:46 PM
Elitist positions;

Open borders, screw the unions and working poor and those that went through the process legally.

Open enrollment and free education. Everybody deserves it.

Screw the vets. Not needed, everyone loves us.

No dirty coal mines or oil wells. Think of the beautiful landscapes ruined and bears and reindeer who have to listen and see the man made monstrosities. We can by cheap oil from our Saudi friends.

What makes it elitist?

If you wanted to claim it's Neo-liberal, I could understand it.

But what does elitism have to do with anything beyond disdain for the racists, misogynists, xenophobes, etc? (And even that I would argue has nothing to do with elitism, but it is closer as it claims superiority to them.)

More of a disdain for the values and lifestyles of anyone who is not an ivy lawyer. Particularly blue collar workers. You just cannot go to W. Virginia and tell voters you want to do away with coal mines.

Better to wait till the robotic mines get cranked up and there are no people left in West Virginia or any of the neighboring states? That seems like a slow and terrible kind of terrorism to inflict on a whole region and culture integral to America since before America’s inception. It seems odd to want to do now to Appalachia what Appalachia did to its native population in the process of becoming what it is today. It seems an odd way to navigate, unless the best path is to lie to voters or groups of voters about coal’s bright future for the region, get elected, then pour resources into productive avenues far more attractive than coal. Is that Tulsi’s Plan?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 04:37:33 PM
Domestic coal mining is getting hit with hydrogen bombs that detonate over decades, a nice present for your children and grandchildren.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 05:11:58 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/opinions/trump-lebron-pattern-opinion-obeidallah/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/opinions/trump-lebron-pattern-opinion-obeidallah/index.html)

Donald Trump seeks to prove that he is a racist, despite resistance from people like Kiid and RSW and Bamboozled.

You are allowing yourself to be led by the nose

That it is CNN doing the leading is even more embarrassing for you
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 05, 2018, 05:33:09 PM
This might be the funniest thing Kid has ever posted here. Great work!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 05:37:32 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/opinions/trump-lebron-pattern-opinion-obeidallah/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/05/opinions/trump-lebron-pattern-opinion-obeidallah/index.html)

Donald Trump seeks to prove that he is a racist, despite resistance from people like Kiid and RSW and Bamboozled.

You are allowing yourself to be led by the nose

That it is CNN doing the leading is even more embarrassing for you

The clear and unambiguous racism is a central pillar in t-bags’ whole public life. It was the giddy maypole at the core of his father’s social and commercial life. He’s been broadcasting his racism steadily with stupefying energy for decades and shouldered his way to the front of the most racist available pack. It doesn’t take CNN. The evidence is a giant turd mountain now residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 

Your lack of judgement in this is a good sign that it’s probably time to yank your driver’s license and make sure your house is free of bumpy corners, steep stairs, sharp objects and inflammable materials.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 05:56:16 PM
You really think Trump calls Maxine Waters stupid because she is black?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 06:14:48 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html)

A fairly comprehensive list as of January.

I think it’s more likely that trump has racial animus to Maxine Waters than it is that you remember to wipe your ass when you poop yourself.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 06:15:13 PM
You really think Trump calls Maxine Waters stupid because she is black?

He probably does that, and also makes fun of Don Lemon and LeBron because he understands that it plays well with the the racist deplorable white-trash  that make up his base.


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 06:22:26 PM
Terrorists in Venezuela assassination attempt reportedly reside in Florida.

Yep - easy to get in - easy to hide.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 06:40:55 PM
https://twitter.com/AtheistRepublic/status/1025176955287732226 (https://twitter.com/AtheistRepublic/status/1025176955287732226)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 05, 2018, 06:44:32 PM
Elitist positions;

Open borders, screw the unions and working poor and those that went through the process legally.

Open enrollment and free education. Everybody deserves it.

Screw the vets. Not needed, everyone loves us.

No dirty coal mines or oil wells. Think of the beautiful landscapes ruined and bears and reindeer who have to listen and see the man made monstrosities. We can by cheap oil from our Saudi friends.

What makes it elitist?

If you wanted to claim it's Neo-liberal, I could understand it.

But what does elitism have to do with anything beyond disdain for the racists, misogynists, xenophobes, etc? (And even that I would argue has nothing to do with elitism, but it is closer as it claims superiority to them.)

More of a disdain for the values and lifestyles of anyone who is not an ivy lawyer. Particularly blue collar workers. You just cannot go to W. Virginia and tell voters you want to do away with coal mines.

It was a dumb line.

But it is still true and has nothing to do with elitism, Luee.

Nothing.

Your opinions not withstanding, Clinton's demonstrated more caring and understanding of the poor and working poor than you seem to be able to acknowledge - more than Bernie, to be sure. But her comment there was, according to her, her biggest regret of the campaign.

Quote
"I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country," she said . "Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business."

She quickly added that she wanted to help coal miners and other workers who gave their health and sometimes their lives to produce the nation's energy.

"And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people," she added. "Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories."

Your disdain for Elizabeth Warren is even more misplaced.

You come across as a faux-progressive who has swallowed the talking points against HRC without really understanding them or where they came from.
Interesting that the current economy has been very kind to blacks and low income wage earners.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 05, 2018, 06:47:32 PM
Terrorists in Venezuela assassination attempt reportedly reside in Florida.

Yep - easy to get in - easy to hide.

Russian spies got into the WH!!!

Yep-easy to get in-but no need to hide.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 05, 2018, 06:56:32 PM
You really think Trump calls Maxine Waters stupid because she is black?
I think in his mindless and toddler level need to insult prominent people who don't like him he reaches for stupid and synonyms for it for African Americans often enough to justify the opinion he does.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 08:41:01 PM
You really think Trump calls Maxine Waters stupid because she is black?

If he had *only* called Maxine Waters stupid, you might have an argument, Kiid.

But he didn't.

Nor did he only call Don Lemon stupid.

Why do you think he called Don Lemon and LeBron stupid?

Why do you think he claimed Obama was a terrible student? He didn't make any such claims about Hillary Clinton.
*********

And Jesus you are slow, Kiid!

I have been pointing out Trump's racist remarks and actions and past since he became a candidate. I don't need CNN to "lead me by the nose." Trump SHOUTS his racism repeatedly.

To miss it, one has to be willfully unhearing and/or unthinking.

Which are you?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
You are saying he only called select BLACKS stupid.  No others?

This is where you go astray.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 09:44:55 PM
By the way, if Ms Waters were green or blue or shocking pink, she'd have acted stupidly.

You likely agree.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 05, 2018, 10:10:37 PM
Trump is panicking as Mueller closes in. Great to see.

Tick, tick, tick...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 10:52:01 PM
The end being near is actually a positive for the administration, Ut.

I agree it'll be done prior to the election.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:06:28 PM
https://twitter.com/gehrig38/status/1026298158282825728 (https://twitter.com/gehrig38/status/1026298158282825728)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 05, 2018, 11:15:22 PM
You are saying he only called select BLACKS stupid.  No others?

This is where you go astray.
I did not say that.  I said, I think in his mindless and toddler level need to insult prominent people who don't like him he reaches for stupid and synonyms for it for African Americans often enough to justify the opinion he traffics in racist stereotypes.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 05, 2018, 11:16:52 PM
By the way, if Ms Waters were green or blue or shocking pink, she'd have acted stupidly.

You likely agree.

I can’t think of one thing she’s done stupidly.

I do love watching Auntie Maxine do smart things that make bitch ass crackers cry. It gives me an itchy donation finger every time.

Don Jr. should be wearing Manafort Orange by the election, along with Paulie Numbnuts himself. The dotard will be sent to his long home in 2019, courtesy of a far more representative congress.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 05, 2018, 11:31:54 PM
You are saying he only called select BLACKS stupid.  No others?

This is where you go astray.
I did not say that. 

Didnt say you did.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 05, 2018, 11:55:11 PM
You are saying he only called select BLACKS stupid.  No others?

This is where you go astray.
I did not say that. 

Didnt say you did.

Nobody said it, but that doesn't mean you didn't hear it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 12:00:11 AM
https://twitter.com/MJBerens1/status/1026275966937653249 (https://twitter.com/MJBerens1/status/1026275966937653249)

Must be the NRA
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 12:02:04 AM
Trump treats all races the same - yet is a racist?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 12:09:17 AM
Trump treats all races the same - yet is a racist?

No, he doesn't treat all races the same, dolt.

He was never found guilty of discrimination in housing for whites, for example.

His besmirching of Hispanics is not something any Europeans have heard directed at their residents.

His attacks on "shithole" countries was narrowly defined and purely racist.

Your defense of him and denial of his racist conduct and verbiage has you painting yourself with the same brush. It's like listening to a Holocaust denier.

And your claim that he says the same things to everybody are unsupported thus far. But what else is new?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2018, 02:47:15 AM
Kid lives wrong proudly without the self contempt his words and actions justify.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 06, 2018, 04:07:29 AM
Quote
Kid lives wrong proudly without the self contempt his words and actions justify.
Yes, of course….he takes his cues from the Orange Asshole…
Shame? Humility? That’s for other people. Apologize? Never, ever! That would be showing weakness, and he is never weak. That’s for losers….
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 06, 2018, 09:15:10 AM
Trump: no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. Uh... collusion is not a crime!

Sad.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 06, 2018, 09:53:15 AM
It's probably a "Nuclear Option" but the Congress should institute a policy thatsays that before any law can be passed, there needs to be an "Economic Impact Statement" done which shows a clear and direct pathway for a net betterment of the economic environment as a result of the law.

This statement must include the number of jobs lost versus the number of jobs maintained and/or created.

It must include the costs of remediating the physical environment should the (de)regulation prove harmful to the public health and or safety. Versus the short term benefit of the (de)regulation.


The policy is retroactive, meaning that all existing laws must be made to be compliant with the new policy. If that means that the government has to work hard to get caught up on their work, well, welcome to the real world! There is no time for grilling a public servant for doing his job or wasting million$ to demonize a member of the other party so as to make the pathway to power easier for one's own party.

Similarly, the Democrats ought to demand an "environmental Impact Statement" before any legislation regarding the wildlife preservation and endangered species act can be voted on.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 06, 2018, 11:52:24 AM
Zme:  doesn't the CBO already do economic impact statements?  I don't think there's any kind of information gathering or analysis that Congress is not perfectly capable of ignoring. 

TWIMC:

In that poll (top of page), I have to ask, whoever voted "Other," how did you arrive at that choice?  Either we trim the forums, or we don't, or you're not sure.  You chose none of those options.  So, somewhere, beyond trinary logic, there must some other course of action?  Add MORE forums?  Fill Josh's house with stuffed animals?  We all join the French foreign legion and forget everything?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 06, 2018, 01:59:17 PM
In that poll (top of page), I have to ask, whoever voted "Other," how did you arrive at that choice?  Either we trim the forums, or we don't, or you're not sure.  You chose none of those options.  So, somewhere, beyond trinary logic, there must some other course of action?  Add MORE forums?  Fill Josh's house with stuffed animals?  We all join the French foreign legion and forget everything?
Probably some poster with a sarcastic bent, who wondered why that option even existed, for precisely the reason you identify. Not that I have personal knowledge, necessarily....
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2018, 02:20:02 PM
In that poll (top of page), I have to ask, whoever voted "Other," how did you arrive at that choice?  Either we trim the forums, or we don't, or you're not sure.  You chose none of those options.  So, somewhere, beyond trinary logic, there must some other course of action?  Add MORE forums?  Fill Josh's house with stuffed animals?  We all join the French foreign legion and forget everything?
Probably some poster with a sarcastic bent, who wondered why that option even existed, for precisely the reason you identify. Not that I have personal knowledge, necessarily....

A conspiratorial theory for our conspiratorial times...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 02:44:32 PM
Trump treats all races the same - yet is a racist?

No, he doesn't treat all races the same, dolt.



eaaaaasy now...

How about we stick to what the current issue is - Trump's verbal (and tweeting) treatment of others since he started this segment of his life.

Now - has he lashed out at some white folk?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 06, 2018, 02:51:24 PM
Not because of their ethnicity or the color of their skin. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 06, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
Kid's taking on all comers!!!!  He's gonna prove that Trump is no bigot!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 03:06:18 PM
Not because of their ethnicity or the color of their skin.

Yet you think it WAS due to color that he ranted at the select few AAs - James and company?

Couldnt be conntent?

Isnt Acosta's treatment the equivalent of Lemon?

And I'd think if a Mike Trout acted (spoke of Trump) like LeBron he'd get a bit of backlash as well.

Simple stuff.



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2018, 03:13:03 PM
Trump regularly lashes out at anyone who points out the clearly racist things he does and say, without regard for the race of his critic. Then he goes and does and says more racist crap so he can again be an equal opportunity snowflake. When he needs to change the subject, he predominantly attacks someone or something not White. As to the core racist as he is, will he sometimes lash out at White folks? Sure. He’s a cornered beast, wounded and far from home. Lashing out is what he does.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 06, 2018, 03:28:36 PM
In that poll (top of page), I have to ask, whoever voted "Other," how did you arrive at that choice?  Either we trim the forums, or we don't, or you're not sure.  You chose none of those options.  So, somewhere, beyond trinary logic, there must some other course of action?  Add MORE forums?  Fill Josh's house with stuffed animals?  We all join the French foreign legion and forget everything?
Probably some poster with a sarcastic bent, who wondered why that option even existed, for precisely the reason you identify. Not that I have personal knowledge, necessarily....

Of course not.   But your penetrating insight into human smartassery has not been achieved without the occasional consultation with hoi polloi, I'm certain.  The textbooks and peer-reviewed journals can only take you so far.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 03:59:14 PM
Trump regularly lashes out at anyone who points out the clearly ---------[racist]------- things he does and say.....

heh

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 04:07:17 PM
Trump: no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. Uh... collusion is not a crime!



Sure it is

Its just called conspiracy

Isnt that right?

Many many fucklng lawyers working quite hard to prove it.

Standing by for the drama.  And laughing at some of the fallout.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 06, 2018, 04:13:10 PM
Not because of their ethnicity or the color of their skin.

Yet you think it WAS due to color that he ranted at the select few AAs - James and company?

Couldnt be conntent?

Isnt Acosta's treatment the equivalent of Lemon?

And I'd think if a Mike Trout acted (spoke of Trump) like LeBron he'd get a bit of backlash as well.

Simple stuff.
Well, as I used to tell clients, just because your boss was an asshole generally does not mean he cannot be a racist asshole to you. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 04:19:51 PM
Scarborough: "And it’s, at least to me, it’s been shocking and somewhat embarrassing just how wrong I was all along that a huge chunk of the Republican Party was exactly what Liberals have been accusing us of being for a very long time."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786246/-Frank-Discussion-of-Racism-on-Morning-Joe (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786246/-Frank-Discussion-of-Racism-on-Morning-Joe)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 04:20:16 PM
Does he have any dealings that would tell you he is not a racist?

Have you checked?

If you found YES to be the answer, would you simply dismiss it as "Trump doing what he needs to get ahead"?

If so - well - you are believing what you like - and that's that.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 04:21:25 PM
Other included the possibility of wanting it both trimmed and added to.

I don't know what the person who chose other had in mind.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 06, 2018, 04:35:13 PM
Does he have any dealings that would tell you he is not a racist?

Have you checked?

If you found YES to be the answer, would you simply dismiss it as "Trump doing what he needs to get ahead"?

If so - well - you are believing what you like - and that's that.
If a Klansman goes to work one day and engages in a relatively pleasant conversation with an African-American who comes into his store, does that make the Klasman not a racist?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 04:52:36 PM
Does he have any dealings that would tell you he is not a racist?

Have you checked?

If you found YES to be the answer, would you simply dismiss it as "Trump doing what he needs to get ahead"?

If so - well - you are believing what you like - and that's that.

I've been reviewing Trump's actions and speeches for longer than he has been a candidate.

No, he has done nothing that would indicate that he is not racist.

Here is his senior staff at their swearing in:
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1484w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/02/01/Others/Images/2017-02-01/GettyImages-632402596_(1).JPG?uuid=hUqZiOimEeaQPZsR7X2NKg)

He has protested repeatedly that he is "the least racist person you will ever meet." - Honestly, Kiid, had I had any doubts he was racist before, that would have sealed the deal the first time he said it, let alone the endless repetitions of it.

His language before he was a candidate, not just after it, illustrated his racism. His actions with his apartments when he thought he could get away with it did so, as well.

He insults everybody who is not him - this is not news. But he insults some folks disproportionately and in different ways. If you want to provide me with the numbers of white men he has called stupid by comparison to the others, do please go right ahead. And if he attacks white men in proportion to their numbers in politics vs. blacks and women, I will retract my position.

Here are your target numbers:
Quote
Despite white men comprising only 31 percent of the population, 97 percent of all Republican elected officials are white and 76 percent are male. Of all Democratic elected officials, 79 percent are white and 65 percent are male, according to the study.

A factor in the discrepancy, RDC says, is a problem with who runs for office. Of Republican candidates, 73 percent are white men and 23 percent are white women. Men of color make up 3 percent of candidates and women of color make up 1 percent, according to the study.

I look forward to seeing what your research finds, either way.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 06, 2018, 04:55:00 PM
First step: GO to TWITTER!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 06, 2018, 05:04:52 PM

He insults everybody who is not him - this is not news. But he insults some folks disproportionately and in different ways. If you want to provide me with the numbers of white men he has called stupid by comparison to the others, do please go right ahead. And if he attacks white men in proportion to their numbers in politics vs. blacks and women, I will retract my position.
Since kid made the Don Lemon/Oscar Acosta comparison, note Trump has never called Acosta dumb.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2018, 05:06:36 PM
Does he have any dealings that would tell you he is not a racist?

Have you checked?

If you found YES to be the answer, would you simply dismiss it as "Trump doing what he needs to get ahead"?

If so - well - you are believing what you like - and that's that.

The dealing that are important are the ones that show his whole career to be an imploding criminal enterprise and those showing he mainly does the polar opposite of what he swore to at his inauguration.

His racism won’t get him removed. It will only continue to plague us throughout the death throws of this fatally wounded misadministration.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 06, 2018, 05:09:07 PM

He insults everybody who is not him - this is not news. But he insults some folks disproportionately and in different ways. If you want to provide me with the numbers of white men he has called stupid by comparison to the others, do please go right ahead. And if he attacks white men in proportion to their numbers in politics vs. blacks and women, I will retract my position.
Since kid made the Don Lemon/Oscar Acosta comparison, note Trump has never called Acosta dumb.
Jim Acosta. Trump has called him crazy, which does not fit Jim Acosta but would definitely have described Hunter Thompson's "300 pound Samoan attorney".
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
Scarborough: "And it’s, at least to me, it’s been shocking and somewhat embarrassing just how wrong I was all along that a huge chunk of the Republican Party was exactly what Liberals have been accusing us of being for a very long time."

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786246/-Frank-Discussion-of-Racism-on-Morning-Joe (https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/6/1786246/-Frank-Discussion-of-Racism-on-Morning-Joe)

Love me some Mornin Joe

Its the blond that needs to go
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 05:33:20 PM
There is one consistent theme to Trump’s use of the term that the preceding paragraph should make obvious: Stupid people are the ones who criticize and oppose him. In the primaries, that was mostly people from his own party. Afterward, that has been less likely to be the case.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/06/the-people-trump-has-called-stupid/?utm_term=.f0eef4494ac2 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/06/the-people-trump-has-called-stupid/?utm_term=.f0eef4494ac2)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 06, 2018, 05:36:58 PM
Quote
Love me some Mornin Joe. Its the blond that needs to go
Willie? If his racism don’t get you his mysogyny will.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 06:09:57 PM
There is one consistent theme to Trump’s use of the term that the preceding paragraph should make obvious: Stupid people are the ones who criticize and oppose him. In the primaries, that was mostly people from his own party. Afterward, that has been less likely to be the case.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/06/the-people-trump-has-called-stupid/?utm_term=.f0eef4494ac2 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/06/the-people-trump-has-called-stupid/?utm_term=.f0eef4494ac2)

And the tally is?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 07:12:26 PM
Well, thats the point isnt it?

The "tally" would include many whites as well as people of color.

Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.    Trump always all business. - But if blacks were involved - you go play that victim card all day and all night. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 06, 2018, 07:18:53 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2018, 07:32:18 PM
Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.

Caught like a roach in amber. There you are, self branded for all time the racist cracker. Nothing more needs be said.

Thank god your vote doesn’t count enough to make a difference.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 06, 2018, 08:46:38 PM
Don't suppose we could borrow Trump to run Australia instead of having to put up with no-idea Turnbull and co we have running it now?

Bet Trump wouldn't be giving American farmers dying in the dust of near-worst-ever drought only a paltry $190m in total...they having to fill out 80 question applications to get any money.
Bet he [Trump] wouldn't be giving his farmers only $190m, while giving farmers in Indonesia a very large stack of cash.

Bet Trump wouldn't be giving Indonesia hundreds of millions in aid...while his farmers were destitute/broke, with little hope of surviving.

http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2018/05/indonesia-bought-400m-worth-of-attack-helicopters-last-week-while-we-delivered-320m-in-aid.html (http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2018/05/indonesia-bought-400m-worth-of-attack-helicopters-last-week-while-we-delivered-320m-in-aid.html)

Indonesia bought $400M worth of attack helicopters last week - while we[Aust] delivered $320M in aid

Boeing sells the Apache AH 64E for about $48M AUD.
This week Indonesia took delivery of 8 of them - not far shy of $400M in one order.

It's a bit galling to know that Australia will send Indonesia about $320M in foreign aid this year.

But Boeing executives are popping the champagne corks, Indonesia's TNI is thrilled, the US embassy people couldn't be happier - and poor old Australian taxpayers are left shaking their heads.


#####

Simple solution...bambu-ilk can see what it is.
No degree from Harvard needed for this one either.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2018, 09:11:07 PM
If he shows up this autumn, you can keep trump.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 09:16:35 PM
Well, thats the point isnt it?

The "tally" would include many whites as well as people of color.

Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.    Trump always all business. - But if blacks were involved - you go play that victim card all day and all night.

No, Kiid.

What is the tally? You say he insults others just as much and in the same ways.

You made the claim. Back it up. If the numbers hold up, I will admit I was wrong. If they don't, you will, of course, never admit that you were wrong, but what else is new?

Provide the numbers. Or STFU. (Yeah, like you would do that, either. Making bogus claims without proof works for Trump, why not you, huh?!)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 09:23:10 PM
Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.    Trump always all business. - But if blacks were involved - you go play that victim card all day and all night.

Looks to whom?

Quote
Most of those interviewed said they were not aware of any discrimination. However, some of the records recount the stories of black rental applicants who said they were told no apartments were available, while whites sent to check on the same apartments were offered leases.

The records, posted on the FBI's Freedom of Information Act website, include a 1974 interview with a former doorman at a Trump building in Brooklyn.

A supervisor "told me that if a black person came to 2650 Ocean Parkway and inquired about an apartment for rent, and he, that is [redacted] was not there at the time, that I should tell him that the rent was twice as much as it really was, in order that he could not afford the apartment," the ex-doorman said.

Just business decisions.

You should join Sheriff Arpaio:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/who-is-america-joe-arpaio-says-hed-accept-a-blow-job-trump-1132325 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/who-is-america-joe-arpaio-says-hed-accept-a-blow-job-trump-1132325)
Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Tells Sacha Baron Cohen He'd Accept Oral Sex From Trump
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 06, 2018, 09:28:53 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-tower-cnntv/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2018-06-05T01:21:43 (https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/04/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-tower-cnntv/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=fbCNN&utm_content=2018-06-05T01:21:43)

Giuliani says the lawyers made a mistake when they admitted that Trump had penned the note.

Giuliani says they weren't lying and neither was anybody else.

Trump, Jr. says that the Russians were baiting and switching: IOW, "We thought we were colluding with the Russians, but we weren't!"
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 06, 2018, 09:36:17 PM
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/earths-scorching-hot-history/566762/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/08/earths-scorching-hot-history/566762/)

Tick tock, tick tock.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 06, 2018, 09:43:23 PM
Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.    Trump always all business. - But if blacks were involved - you go play that victim card all day and all night.

Looks to whom?

Quote
Most of those interviewed said they were not aware of any discrimination. However, some of the records recount the stories of black rental applicants who said they were told no apartments were available, while whites sent to check on the same apartments were offered leases.

The records, posted on the FBI's Freedom of Information Act website, include a 1974 interview with a former doorman at a Trump building in Brooklyn.

A supervisor "told me that if a black person came to 2650 Ocean Parkway and inquired about an apartment for rent, and he, that is [redacted] was not there at the time, that I should tell him that the rent was twice as much as it really was, in order that he could not afford the apartment," the ex-doorman said.

Just business decisions.

You should join Sheriff Arpaio:
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/who-is-america-joe-arpaio-says-hed-accept-a-blow-job-trump-1132325 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/who-is-america-joe-arpaio-says-hed-accept-a-blow-job-trump-1132325)
Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio Tells Sacha Baron Cohen He'd Accept Oral Sex From Trump
I find Baron Cohen as "amusing" as Samantha Bee.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 06, 2018, 09:49:54 PM
Hi guys!

Trump was fucked when Ty Cobb quit.

Trump thinks he can baffle Mueller with his bullshit and if you wanted to win in the court of public opinion that’s all well and good, but Rudy’s Schlick won’t work in court. Don’t worry about impeachment even if Dems take the House, no way they get a majority in the Senate.

But poor Junior is in the unenviable position of having his tit caught in the wringer and he doesn’t do shit without telling daddy.

Manafort is also fucked, his case is all paper and he has a long track record. Manafort and Gates brought in Pence to be VP.

The only question is how does 5he nation clean up the mess.

Meanwhile, OH-12 is wild.

So what are Dems finally running on and winning with? Healthcare. Who woulda thunk it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 06, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
First step: GO to TWITTER!

John Brennan's tweet to Trump, for example....

Quote
“If there is a scintilla of decency left in you,” he tweeted on June 16, responding to a Trump boast about his poll numbers, “you would focus on your responsibilities, not on yourself.”   


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 06, 2018, 09:56:12 PM
Hiya,  Larry!

You asked a huge question - the government mess is huge.   Oh dear,  now that adjective is tainted,  too.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 11:00:10 PM
Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.

Caught like a roach in amber. There you are, self branded for all time the racist cracker. Nothing more needs be said.

Thank god your vote doesn’t count enough to make a difference.

It will when I relocate.

Not sure - Virginia, Mississippi or Vegas.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 06, 2018, 11:02:47 PM
Well, thats the point isnt it?

The "tally" would include many whites as well as people of color.

Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.    Trump always all business. - But if blacks were involved - you go play that victim card all day and all night.

No, Kiid.

What is the tally? You say he insults others just as much and in the same ways.


Seriously - are you going to be alright?

Forum - do we have someone keeping an eye on this guy.  I do worry.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 12:27:42 AM
Not sure - Virginia, Mississippi or Vegas.

I vote Mississippi.

Vegas would exacerbate your gambling proclivities.



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 12:30:28 AM
I found it rather revealing when Trump started saying he was the least racist person on earth.

I thought for sure he'd say next that some of his best friends are dark hued.  Probably couldn't find a black friend to agree to that. 

Surprised he hasn't pointed to Ben Carson and said look at the fine Negro I picked to be Secretary of Darkies.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 07, 2018, 12:32:15 AM
Well, thats the point isnt it?

The "tally" would include many whites as well as people of color.

Re:  the apartments and keeping certain people out - loooks like it was a business decision.    Trump always all business. - But if blacks were involved - you go play that victim card all day and all night.

No, Kiid.

What is the tally? You say he insults others just as much and in the same ways.


Seriously - are you going to be alright?

Forum - do we have someone keeping an eye on this guy.  I do worry.

Easier to worry about me than to actually back up your claims.

Trump's a racist. Has been for all his adult life.

Kid's an apologist. Has been for as long as anybody here has known him. And barely an apologist - more like an excuse-maker.

You and Joe Arpaio, servicing the president, together again.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 07, 2018, 12:34:53 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/05/trump-makes-bizarre-claim-that-tariffs-will-help-pay-down-massive-us-debt/?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/05/trump-makes-bizarre-claim-that-tariffs-will-help-pay-down-massive-us-debt/?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

Here's another item about which for Kiid to make feeble excuses that don't do the job.

Trump's understanding of trade is about as good as Kiid's understanding of racism.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 12:37:49 AM
I wonder how much of what Trump does is instinctual and how much is calculated.  He seems to be just going off his gut.

Does he wonder if disparaging LeBron will have some backlash because LBJ is as famous as Trump?  Does he consider that most of his supporters will understand that he's saying blacks are inferior and the racial message will get through.  Or does he just say/do whatever comes into his head and figure that he's gotten this far just being a Trumpian asshole, why change or think about it now.

I'm guessing that Trump just feels being Trump is a winning strategy, that his followers will support him whatever he does, that if he makes a mistake or loses it's going to be on his own terms and not due to be being careful and advised.   Also, I just think this is who he is, and he isn't about to change and probably couldn't if he wanted to.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 01:08:59 AM
Black man makes sense:

https://twitter.com/buzzman888/status/1026384081557364736 (https://twitter.com/buzzman888/status/1026384081557364736)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 07, 2018, 01:42:00 AM
Kid, you totally deserve to live in Mississippi.

Trump misses Obama. That is why he is attacking LBJ. He thought he would like to be the center of attention, but now that he is the center of attention and the attentive see right through his bullshit, and there are so many more attentive than he thought, he doesn’t like the center so much. It makes him feel the cringing shame he used to feel when Roy Cohn would pass around his stash of donald trump nude pics to his friends or how he felt when his father would bring him to heel and make him beg and roll over.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 07, 2018, 02:22:18 AM
I see why someone would want to move out of trump’s new tornado alley.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-06/tornado-alley-moves-to-northeast-as-twister-lands-in-new-york (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-06/tornado-alley-moves-to-northeast-as-twister-lands-in-new-york)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 07, 2018, 03:24:07 AM
I see why someone would want to move out of trump’s new tornado alley.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-06/tornado-alley-moves-to-northeast-as-twister-lands-in-new-york (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-06/tornado-alley-moves-to-northeast-as-twister-lands-in-new-york)

The NE was supposed to be a safe place to live.
Now this.
There goes that idea.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 07, 2018, 03:32:57 AM
Does America have any of these new go-faster missiles?

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/china-hails-a-successful-test-of-a-new-hypersonic-weapon-that-could-slip-a-nuke-past-us-defences/ar-BBLzB2o?li=AAgfLCP (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/china-hails-a-successful-test-of-a-new-hypersonic-weapon-that-could-slip-a-nuke-past-us-defences/ar-BBLzB2o?li=AAgfLCP)

China hails a 'successful' test of a new hypersonic weapon that could slip a nuke past US defences

China has successfully tested a new hypersonic aircraft, a potential "hypersonic strike weapon" that could one day be capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads and evading all existing defence networks like the US missile shields, according to Chinese state-run and state-affiliated media, citing experts and the domestic designers.

The Xingkong-2 (Starry Sky-2) hypersonic experimental waverider vehicle designed by the China Academy of Aerospace Aerodynamics in Beijing can reportedly achieve a top speed six times the velocity of sound.


#####

No more need for ground troops...no more need for them to have to fight in the ridiculous manners of the past...grenade to grenade, rifle to rifle, bayonet to bayonet, cannon-fodder for tanks, machine guns etc...as in WW2, WW1, and wars since.
Now, as mommy-dearest once told young bambu..."don't worry, it'll be "one flash and you're ash warfare" soon".
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 07, 2018, 09:11:11 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/05/trump-makes-bizarre-claim-that-tariffs-will-help-pay-down-massive-us-debt/?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/05/trump-makes-bizarre-claim-that-tariffs-will-help-pay-down-massive-us-debt/?wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

Here's another item about which for Kiid to make feeble excuses that don't do the job.

Trump's understanding of trade is about as good as Kiid's understanding of racism.

Oh, I think kidcarter8 gets racism just fine.

I was going to say something about Trump's trade claims when kidcarter8 posted a link to Trump's own tweet claiming that tariffs would mean paying down the debt without imposing any new taxes on Americans, and point out that tariffs are essentially new taxes on American businesses and consumers.  But while he doesn't know how to make an argument, kidcarter8 has certainly done a good job over the last few pages of posts proving that he isn't worth the time.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 07, 2018, 10:09:05 AM
Black man makes sense:

https://twitter.com/buzzman888/status/1026384081557364736 (https://twitter.com/buzzman888/status/1026384081557364736)

Dude should pull over and rant.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 07, 2018, 10:11:00 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/08/07/lebron-james-turns-shut-up-and-dribble-insult-into-title-of-showtime-series/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/08/07/lebron-james-turns-shut-up-and-dribble-insult-into-title-of-showtime-series/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 07, 2018, 10:13:39 AM
Quote from: McClatchy News
   

670 ballots in a precinct with 276 voters, and other tales from Georgia's primary [McClatchy Washington Bureau :: BC-GA-ELECTIONSECURITY:WA]

 
Tue Aug 07 10:03:28 2018 EDT
 WASHINGTON  _  Habersham County's   Mud Creek  precinct in northeastern  Georgia  had 276 registered voters ahead of the state's primary elections in May.
But 670 ballots were cast, according to the  Georgia  secretary of state's office, indicating a 243 percent turnout.
The discrepancy, included in a number of sworn statements and exhibits filed as part of a federal lawsuit against the state by election security activists, comes amid swelling public concern for the security of  Georgia's  voting systems.  Georgia  is one of four states that uses voting machines statewide that produce no paper record for voters to verify, making them difficult to audit, experts say.
And cybersecurity experts have warned that there were security flaws on the state election website leading up to the 2016 contest that permitted the download and manipulation of voter information.
The court filings highlight various issues with  Georgia's  16-year-old voting machines, as well as the system that runs them and handles voter registration information.
In one sworn statement, a voter explains that she and her husband, who were registered to vote at the same address, were assigned different polling places and different city council districts. In another, a voting machine froze on  Election Day .
In several instances, voters showed up at their polling places as listed on the secretary of state's website, only to be told they were supposed to vote elsewhere.
An  Atlanta  Democrat's voting machine provided him a ballot including the  5th Congressional District , for which longtime Rep. John Lewis ran unopposed, instead of his  6th Congressional District  ballot, which featured a competitive Democratic race.
Some issues, such as the freezing machines, could be chalked up to the age of the polling infrastructure, said  Harri Hursti , a computer programmer who studies election cybersecurity.
But others, like the incorrect ballots, could have been caused by anything from a clerical error to a malicious manipulation of voter data, said Hursti, who is also the organizer for the  Voting Village  at hacking conference DEF CON, where participants demonstrate hacking into some state voting machines.
It's possible that there's a connection between the security issues reported at  Georgia's   Center for Election Systems  and the issues chronicled in the court statements, but an immediate switch to paper ballots is necessary regardless, Hursti said.
"But the connection is not needed," he said. "You don't need to have a smoking gun to do the right thing."
In a statement, the office of  Georgia's  Secretary of State  Brian Kemp  defended the security of state elections.
"Alongside federal, local and private sector partners, we continue to fight every day to ensure secure and accurate elections in  Georgia  that are free from interference. To this day, due to the vigilance, dedication and hard work of those partners, our elections system and voting equipment remain secure," spokeswoman  Candice Broce  wrote in an email.
Kemp has set up a bipartisan commission to look into changing state voting machines ahead of the 2020 elections, but not in time for the midterm elections this November.
 Marilyn Marks , the executive director of the  Coalition for Good Government , which has led the charge against the state's management of the election system, said the statements filed in federal court are just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to voter complaints.
"We are submitting only a small sample from scores of known system malfunctions and irregularities," she wrote in an email. "But those examples should raise alarms with officials, political parties, candidates and voters. Something is terribly wrong at a systemic level, and is not being taken seriously by Secretary Kemp, or the state and counties' election boards charged with conducting secure elections."
The court statements are the latest additions to the growing list of concerns surrounding  Georgia's  election security.
In July,  Justice Department  special counsel  Robert Mueller's  indictment indicated that Russian operatives charged with hacking into  Democrats'  emails also visited county election websites in  Georgia , among other states.
 Kennesaw State University's   Center for Election Systems , which was responsible for running  Georgia's  elections, was proved vulnerable by friendly cybersecurity experts both before and after the 2016 elections.
Voter information and other important data, which gets disseminated to polling places in  Georgia's  159 counties, was open to the public and could have been manipulated by bad actors, charged  Logan Lamb , the first friendly hacker to notify the state of the issue. He sent that notification in  August 2016 , but the problem was not fully solved until  March 2017 .
 Jasmine Clark , who will be on the ballot for  Georgia's   House of Representatives  in November, spent an extra half hour at her polling place on  July 24 . If she didn't have that spare time, she may not have been able to vote at all, she said in her statement.
When Clark arrived at about 7:50 that morning, elections officials told her she'd gone to the wrong polling place, even though she hadn't changed her registration information since 2016.
Inexplicably, she was told 25 minutes later that her name had appeared on the electronic poll book for that voting location, and she was able to cast her ballot.
"Unlike other people I met that day who were turned away, I had the flexibility to stay to fight for my right to vote in the right precinct on the correct ballot," she said in her statement.
 Duluth  voter  Dana Bowers  experienced a similar problem. She was told, "Don't worry  Ms. Bowers , this has been happening all day," according to her sworn declaration.
Bowers, who works as an advocacy coordinator in  Josh McCall's  campaign for the  9th Congressional District , had checked her "My Voter Page" on the secretary of state's office website before heading to the polls in July and found she'd been assigned a new precinct _ number 100.
But when she arrived at what she thought was her new polling place, she was told she was still assigned her original polling place in precinct 96. She wound up filling out a provisional ballot that day. When she checked her "My Voter Page" after the election, she wrote in her statement, she was assigned to precinct 96 once more.
Other statements chronicled issues with the voting machines themselves.
Bowers, for example, noticed that a machine was marked "Do Not Touch," when she went to vote in July. One poll worker told her votes had been cast on the machine prior to its failure on  Election Day .
After the polls closed, Bowser noticed the results tape from the machine showed it hadn't collected any votes.
___
(c)2018 McClatchy Washington Bureau
Visit the  McClatchy Washington Bureau  at www.mcclatchydc.com
Distributed by Tribune Content Agency, LLC.
_____

Sorry for the long cite, but.. Jesus ephin' Christ! This is another case of "Methinks thou doth protest too loud." (yes, I know that's not the direct quote, but it is in the vernacular.) Georgia is SURE there is voter fraud, because they are the ones perpetrating it!

It makes me sick to my stomach that I have to share a country with such brigands!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 07, 2018, 10:17:25 AM
Knicks12,

What the hell kind of handle is that?

Nice the way they cleaned this place up, isn't it?

Thank you, from me to LiquidSilver. In a way you are helping the world be a better place. If only by concentrating the animosity in a small container. But also by having a space where the ideas can be launched into the collective consciousness.

PLAU
I,M

(I almost forgot who I was signing as here!)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on August 07, 2018, 11:27:19 AM
My guess is everyone knows Larry B. is Knicks12, if he wants a shorter moniker to type in.

Quote
Habersham County's   Mud Creek  precinct in northeastern  Georgia  had 276 registered voters ahead of the state's primary elections in May.
But 670 ballots were cast, according to the  Georgia  secretary of state's office, indicating a 243 percent turnout...

Wild guess:  Mud Creek is predominantly Republican. 

The ethos of "win however we can, no matter what it takes" seems to have completely poisoned the GOP.

What I fear is that Democrats who use such incidents for "virtue signalling," are really only a few moral footsteps away from the same road to hell.  If they think the GOP are corrupt and evil enough, then they will be able to justify "fight fire with fire."  And then RIP democracy.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Itz ME! on August 07, 2018, 11:32:59 AM
I was just saying "hello" to NYKnicks12, I really didn't need it critiqued. Thanks anyway.

As to your dystopian view of the Democratic party. Thanks anyway. False equivalencies are the norm in today's discourse.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 11:43:39 AM
The application of Joey Goebbel's tenets is working.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1026150926271143936/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1026150926271143936&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2018%2F8%2F6%2F17656996%2Ftrump-republican-party-russia-rather-democrat-ohio (https://mobile.twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1026150926271143936/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1026150926271143936&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vox.com%2Fpolicy-and-politics%2F2018%2F8%2F6%2F17656996%2Ftrump-republican-party-russia-rather-democrat-ohio)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 07, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
My guess is everyone knows Larry B. is Knicks12, if he wants a shorter moniker to type in.



I thought Dick Barnett was knicks12.

Fall back, baby!

As to Dems, I hope in the glee of playing in the anticpated Blue Wave and drowing Rs in it, they don't go so far left, they scare the middle into staying home.

A little moderation would go a long way in '18 and '20.

Be smart and play and win the long game.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 07, 2018, 12:19:29 PM
I was just saying "hello" to NYKnicks12, I really didn't need it critiqued. Thanks anyway.

As to your dystopian view of the Democratic party. Thanks anyway. False equivalencies are the norm in today's discourse.

I hear ya.  But the canned man might just be saying the Left needs to be careful about not getting sucked down into the bog.  I don't think it's dystopian to point out the generally debased condition of political integrity these days and where vigilance is needed.  I'm happy, so far, that I haven't seen evidence of voter suppression or other diddling coming from the Left.  I hope they can stay with their strength, which has been in supporting the fundamentals of the democratic process. 

I see Ohio's 12th district is going to be close today, so that will be worth watching, and hoping there are no Georgia-style ballot hacks, and good luck to the Democrat and the massive outspending he's facing from out-of-state Republicans. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 12:47:39 PM
Does America have any of these new go-faster missiles?

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/china-hails-a-successful-test-of-a-new-hypersonic-weapon-that-could-slip-a-nuke-past-us-defences/ar-BBLzB2o?li=AAgfLCP (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/china-hails-a-successful-test-of-a-new-hypersonic-weapon-that-could-slip-a-nuke-past-us-defences/ar-BBLzB2o?li=AAgfLCP)

China hails a 'successful' test of a new hypersonic weapon that could slip a nuke past US defences

China has successfully tested a new hypersonic aircraft, a potential "hypersonic strike weapon" that could one day be capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads and evading all existing defence networks like the US missile shields, according to Chinese state-run and state-affiliated media, citing experts and the domestic designers.

The Xingkong-2 (Starry Sky-2) hypersonic experimental waverider vehicle designed by the China Academy of Aerospace Aerodynamics in Beijing can reportedly achieve a top speed six times the velocity of sound.


#####

No more need for ground troops...no more need for them to have to fight in the ridiculous manners of the past...grenade to grenade, rifle to rifle, bayonet to bayonet, cannon-fodder for tanks, machine guns etc...as in WW2, WW1, and wars since.
Now, as mommy-dearest once told young bambu..."don't worry, it'll be "one flash and you're ash warfare" soon".

Wow

Interesting that they didnt keep this a secret.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 07, 2018, 01:11:03 PM
Trump has removed any strategic concerns that would incline China to stealth. With the US State Department, the NSC, intelligence services under constant attack from the biggest loser and his cabal, China has a clear path to dominate all of Asia. Being public about supersonic Nuke planes is a part of that. It’s part of the cascade of failures brought by the World’s weakest executive.

On the one hand it’s nice to know Hillary won Georgia, on the other hand it’s disgusting the extent the GOP is really a bucket of tapeworms.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 01:47:57 PM
Not sure - Virginia, Mississippi or Vegas.

I vote Mississippi.

Vegas would exacerbate your gambling proclivities.

Excellent casinos in MS
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 07, 2018, 01:53:57 PM
I wasn't aware of that.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 02:01:27 PM
Cant save the nation - but can help while he is POTUS:

https://twitter.com/marianaatencio/status/1026788730651242496 (https://twitter.com/marianaatencio/status/1026788730651242496)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 07, 2018, 02:17:14 PM
https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1026886587471327232 (https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1026886587471327232)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 07, 2018, 02:54:12 PM
Which, Wilbur!

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross could rank “among the biggest grifters in American history,” according to a Forbes report that details claims he wrongly siphoned or “outright stole” millions of dollars from former business associates.

The magazine spoke with 21 people who know Ross, who formerly headed private-equity company WL Ross & Co. All told, Forbes said, the allegations come to more than $120 million in aggregate value.


https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/70D2B598-9A3F-11E8-A4AF-37432B060B06 (https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/70D2B598-9A3F-11E8-A4AF-37432B060B06)

"The best people."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 07, 2018, 04:53:43 PM
Which, Wilbur!

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross could rank “among the biggest grifters in American history,” according to a Forbes report that details claims he wrongly siphoned or “outright stole” millions of dollars from former business associates.

The magazine spoke with 21 people who know Ross, who formerly headed private-equity company WL Ross & Co. All told, Forbes said, the allegations come to more than $120 million in aggregate value.


https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/70D2B598-9A3F-11E8-A4AF-37432B060B06 (https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/70D2B598-9A3F-11E8-A4AF-37432B060B06)

"The best people."

You beat me to it. GOP crime incest and financial fuckery further nailed to the table.

That whole way of life is a scam built on marks like Kid.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/08/06/new-details-about-wilbur-rosss-businesses-point-to-pattern-of-grifting/amp/?__twitter_impression=true (http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/08/06/new-details-about-wilbur-rosss-businesses-point-to-pattern-of-grifting/amp/?__twitter_impression=true)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 07, 2018, 05:03:31 PM
Does America have any of these new go-faster missiles?

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/china-hails-a-successful-test-of-a-new-hypersonic-weapon-that-could-slip-a-nuke-past-us-defences/ar-BBLzB2o?li=AAgfLCP (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/techandscience/china-hails-a-successful-test-of-a-new-hypersonic-weapon-that-could-slip-a-nuke-past-us-defences/ar-BBLzB2o?li=AAgfLCP)

China hails a 'successful' test of a new hypersonic weapon that could slip a nuke past US defences

China has successfully tested a new hypersonic aircraft, a potential "hypersonic strike weapon" that could one day be capable of carrying multiple nuclear warheads and evading all existing defence networks like the US missile shields, according to Chinese state-run and state-affiliated media, citing experts and the domestic designers.

The Xingkong-2 (Starry Sky-2) hypersonic experimental waverider vehicle designed by the China Academy of Aerospace Aerodynamics in Beijing can reportedly achieve a top speed six times the velocity of sound.


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No more need for ground troops...no more need for them to have to fight in the ridiculous manners of the past...grenade to grenade, rifle to rifle, bayonet to bayonet, cannon-fodder for tanks, machine guns etc...as in WW2, WW1, and wars since.
Now, as mommy-dearest once told young bambu..."don't worry, it'll be "one flash and you're ash warfare" soon".

Wow

Interesting that they didnt keep this a secret.

Meanwhile USA announced same over the winter and even talked about the ‘Son of Blackbird’ the SR-72.

But this is why you keep assholes away from nuclear codes.

There’s money to be made in preparing for nuclear war but unlike conventional war there ain’t no profit to be made by actually having one.

China has a stock market, too.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 07, 2018, 05:32:14 PM
Looks like America is finally ready to bury republican governance back in the 19th century where it belongs.

http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/a-look-at-some-of-the-straightforwardly-popular-ideas-of-the-radical-left.html (http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/08/a-look-at-some-of-the-straightforwardly-popular-ideas-of-the-radical-left.html)

Just got to get politicians willing to follow the will of the people into a saner better future.

Lock up the grifters. Send them to the kiddie cages set up along the border.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 07, 2018, 10:27:03 PM
In the special election in OH12, the gauge currently reads Dem +9. At current heading, the House flips 70 seats in November with a Dem Senate majority of 2 seats.

Though trump being trump may be enough for O’Connor to come back and take this thing in November.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 08, 2018, 01:30:13 AM
The Manafort case is interesting.
Usually white collar crime goes unprosecuted and high-level tax fraud is pretty easy to get away with.  This is rather standard stuff for a lot of international business folks.  Hide your money, do a shell game with shell companies in tax haven islands, shuffle things around, forge paperwork and make up fake loans if you're genuinely dishonest, and illegally save millions in taxes.

Manafort was cheating like this for a decade or more, and would have kept getting away with it, except for the odd confluence of national political prominence and a special investigator.  This is basically the norm, and not an isolated case of tax evasion.  And this will be the end of it, no one else will be audited or prosecuted.

EDIT: Juan Cole has a similar take, though he focuses on the political corruption:
Manafort’s alleged Corruption is How America Works, not Deviance (https://www.juancole.com/2018/08/manaforts-corruption-deviance.html)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 08, 2018, 05:14:13 AM
On the flip side, a good night for workers in Missouri. Also congratulations to Wesley Bell, stepping up to lead reform in his county.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 08, 2018, 08:41:55 AM
Nice shakeup in OH 12.  A squeaker is not good news for repubes.

Quote
Republicans look poised to eke out a victory in the last major congressional bellwether before the November midterm elections. But a razor-thin margin in a suburban Ohio district the GOP has held comfortably for decades confirms that the party’s grip on control of Congress is shaky.

Troy Balderson, a Republican state legislator who secured a late push from President Trump, appeared to hold off Democrat Danny O’Connor on Tuesday in a special House election in and around Ohio’s capital city of Columbus. With all precincts reporting, Balderson led 50.2 percent to 49.3 percent, although the race remained too close for the major networks and the Associated Press to call. Rather than explicitly concede, O’Connor rallied his supporters for a November rematch both candidates knew was coming regardless of the night’s result.

“We’re not stopping now,” he said late Tuesday. “Tomorrow we rest and then we keep fighting through to November.”

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 09:04:09 AM
Nice shakeup in OH 12.  A squeaker is not good news for repubes.

Quote
Republicans look poised to eke out a victory in the last major congressional bellwether before the November midterm elections. But a razor-thin margin in a suburban Ohio district the GOP has held comfortably for decades confirms that the party’s grip on control of Congress is shaky.

Troy Balderson, a Republican state legislator who secured a late push from President Trump, appeared to hold off Democrat Danny O’Connor on Tuesday in a special House election in and around Ohio’s capital city of Columbus. With all precincts reporting, Balderson led 50.2 percent to 49.3 percent, although the race remained too close for the major networks and the Associated Press to call. Rather than explicitly concede, O’Connor rallied his supporters for a November rematch both candidates knew was coming regardless of the night’s result.

“We’re not stopping now,” he said late Tuesday. “Tomorrow we rest and then we keep fighting through to November.”
I suspect that what we saw last n8ght we will see a lot of in November. Dems closer than they have been in ages in Republican districts - but Repos winning. They knew what they were doing when they redrew their districts to project their majority.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 08, 2018, 09:36:49 AM
Fear of doing their jobs, and the community knows it:

https://articles.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/newark_police_boss_cops_didnt_do_their_jobs_when_m.amp (https://articles.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/newark_police_boss_cops_didnt_do_their_jobs_when_m.amp)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 08, 2018, 09:43:42 AM
Fear of doing their jobs, and the community knows it:

https://articles.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/newark_police_boss_cops_didnt_do_their_jobs_when_m.amp (https://articles.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/newark_police_boss_cops_didnt_do_their_jobs_when_m.amp)


"We don't want you to be weak. We want you to do what's just and what's right, but we do want you to be strong. We need you to protect us, our community, our children and our families."

— Mayor Ras Baraka
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 08, 2018, 09:44:38 AM
Nice shakeup in OH 12.  A squeaker is not good news for repubes.

Quote
Republicans look poised to eke out a victory in the last major congressional bellwether before the November midterm elections. But a razor-thin margin in a suburban Ohio district the GOP has held comfortably for decades confirms that the party’s grip on control of Congress is shaky.

Troy Balderson, a Republican state legislator who secured a late push from President Trump, appeared to hold off Democrat Danny O’Connor on Tuesday in a special House election in and around Ohio’s capital city of Columbus. With all precincts reporting, Balderson led 50.2 percent to 49.3 percent, although the race remained too close for the major networks and the Associated Press to call. Rather than explicitly concede, O’Connor rallied his supporters for a November rematch both candidates knew was coming regardless of the night’s result.

“We’re not stopping now,” he said late Tuesday. “Tomorrow we rest and then we keep fighting through to November.”
I suspect that what we saw last n8ght we will see a lot of in November. Dems closer than they have been in ages in Republican districts - but Repos winning. They knew what they were doing when they redrew their districts to project their majority.



Quite possible... some areas have renormalizing of districts tied up in court well past November.  And many gerrymanders remain unchallenged. 

Dems seem to be going Left,  a mirror move of the Right swing among Repos.  Rashida who ran to the Left of her main challengers in Michigan looks to be a cinch in November, will be first Muslim woman in Congress.   Ocasio-Cortez is becoming a pattern.   

What scares me a little is the option of smartphone voting now,  I think in WVa.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 08, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
This is the guy who jumped on the Trump team early and defended Trump’s refusal to release his taxes... and now you know why.

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/crime/rep-chris-collins-arrested-by-the-fbi-on-insider-trading-charges-and-lying-to-the-fbi/71-581613154 (https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/crime/rep-chris-collins-arrested-by-the-fbi-on-insider-trading-charges-and-lying-to-the-fbi/71-581613154)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 08, 2018, 09:51:04 AM
Fear of doing their jobs, and the community knows it:

https://articles.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/newark_police_boss_cops_didnt_do_their_jobs_when_m.amp (https://articles.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/newark_police_boss_cops_didnt_do_their_jobs_when_m.amp)


"We don't want you to be weak. We want you to do what's just and what's right, but we do want you to be strong. We need you to protect us, our community, our children and our families."

— Mayor Ras Baraka

The sitting-on-hands thing was on horrific display a year ago in Charlottesville.  Like that guy beaten savagely in the entrance of a parking garage while cops stood a few feet away.   Multiple incidents like that in Charlottesville and other places earlier that year wherever neo-Nazis were marching.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 08, 2018, 11:56:47 AM
I suspect that what we saw last n8ght we will see a lot of in November. Dems closer than they have been in ages in Republican districts - but Repos winning. They knew what they were doing when they redrew their districts to project their majority.

I guess its probably true that we will see many solidly Republican districts remain in Republican hands in November.  That wouldn't be surprising.  But if the R+8 districts like last nights are as close then the many seats that are not as entrenched for Republicans are up for grabs:

There are 68 R-held House seats less Republican than #OH12, per @CookPolitical PVI, and 119 less Republican than the #PA18 seat Dems won in March. Dems need to flip 23 to win House.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1027033730534309889 (https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/1027033730534309889)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 08, 2018, 12:01:20 PM
Quite possible... some areas have renormalizing of districts tied up in court well past November.  And many gerrymanders remain unchallenged. 

Gerrymandered districts will be an issue.  Yes.  Democrats will need to win by somewhere between 4 and 8 percentage points overall to win control of the House. 

But the lesson from last night wasn't the fact that the district was fine-tuned for the Rs (it has been Republican for 30 years) its that they no longer can take for granted that they will get support from constituencies that they would have otherwise gerrymandered into a solid R district, ie. wealthy white suburbs.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 08, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
Liars and crooks, every one of them:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/08/06/new-details-about-wilbur-rosss-businesses-point-to-pattern-of-grifting/ (https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2018/08/06/new-details-about-wilbur-rosss-businesses-point-to-pattern-of-grifting/)

And every one seen as an asset by Trump because they have made money doing it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 08, 2018, 12:59:03 PM
In the special election in OH12, the gauge currently reads Dem +9. At current heading, the House flips 70 seats in November with a Dem Senate majority of 2 seats.

Though trump being trump may be enough for O’Connor to come back and take this thing in November.

Quite optimistic of you

Ms Ocasio should retire her suitcase.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 08, 2018, 01:29:16 PM
In the special election in OH12, the gauge currently reads Dem +9. At current heading, the House flips 70 seats in November with a Dem Senate majority of 2 seats.

Though trump being trump may be enough for O’Connor to come back and take this thing in November.

Quite optimistic of you

Ms Ocasio should retire her suitcase.

Have your dotard put her on the Supreme Court. Then she can stay near her office and won’t have to pack more than a robe.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 08, 2018, 06:21:44 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/drunk-driver-claims-shes-too-white-to-be-arrested/ar-BBLDWC8?li=AAgfIYZ&OCID=AVRES000 (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/drunk-driver-claims-shes-too-white-to-be-arrested/ar-BBLDWC8?li=AAgfIYZ&OCID=AVRES000)

An American drink-driver argued that she should not be arrested because she is a "very clean, thoroughbred, white girl", police documents state.

South Carolina woman Lauren Elizabeth Cutshaw, 32, was allegedly caught driving through a stop sign at twice the speed limit while under the influence early Saturday morning.


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Well there you go.
Hmmm, must remember that one...no harm in trying it.
Thru a stop sign, under the influence, at twice the speed limit...think the cops would just laugh at me as they wrote out the fines...and impounded my car for 30 days.
On 'Highway Patrol' [Victoria state] tv last night...a very polite young 'Indian' gentleman in a flash BMW SUV was stopped by the cops for speeding, and going thru a STOP sign without stopping.
133kph in a 70kph zone.
He was no longer smiling when the cop informed him that his nice car was being impounded for 30 days.
He basically begged the cops not to take his car, tried pointing to his clean driving record for the last 5 years, and that he "would never do it again".
Cops just kept shanking their heads in denial of his pleas.
But resigned to his fate, he was last seen walking off into the sunset with his about 8 pizza boxes, "pizza run for the family".
 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 08, 2018, 07:32:47 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/drunk-driver-claims-shes-too-white-to-be-arrested/ar-BBLDWC8?li=AAgfIYZ&OCID=AVRES000 (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/drunk-driver-claims-shes-too-white-to-be-arrested/ar-BBLDWC8?li=AAgfIYZ&OCID=AVRES000)

An American drink-driver argued that she should not be arrested because she is a "very clean, thoroughbred, white girl", police documents state.

South Carolina woman Lauren Elizabeth Cutshaw, 32, was allegedly caught driving through a stop sign at twice the speed limit while under the influence early Saturday morning.


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Well there you go.
Hmmm, must remember that one...no harm in trying it.
Thru a stop sign, under the influence, at twice the speed limit...think the cops would just laugh at me as they wrote out the fines...and impounded my car for 30 days.
On 'Highway Patrol' [Victoria state] tv last night...a very polite young 'Indian' gentleman in a flash BMW SUV was stopped by the cops for speeding, and going thru a STOP sign without stopping.
133kph in a 70kph zone.
He was no longer smiling when the cop informed him that his nice car was being impounded for 30 days.
He basically begged the cops not to take his car, tried pointing to his clean driving record for the last 5 years, and that he "would never do it again".
Cops just kept shanking their heads in denial of his pleas.
But resigned to his fate, he was last seen walking off into the sunset with his about 8 pizza boxes, "pizza run for the family".
Who gives a.damn about you fucking KANGAROO KILLERS! MARSUPIAL MASSACRERERS!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-farmers-kill-kangaroos-drought-a8482896.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-farmers-kill-kangaroos-drought-a8482896.html)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 08, 2018, 07:50:02 PM
Quite possible... some areas have renormalizing of districts tied up in court well past November.  And many gerrymanders remain unchallenged. 

Gerrymandered districts will be an issue.  Yes.  Democrats will need to win by somewhere between 4 and 8 percentage points overall to win control of the House. 

But the lesson from last night wasn't the fact that the district was fine-tuned for the Rs (it has been Republican for 30 years) its that they no longer can take for granted that they will get support from constituencies that they would have otherwise gerrymandered into a solid R district, ie. wealthy white suburbs.
No they won’t. Like a mandated federal minimum wage no consensus exists to change anything.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 08, 2018, 08:47:33 PM
Consensus is building to nullify right to work laws and other corruptions of government. Medicare for all and UBI are becoming as important as wage floors for making life livable for most Americans. We’re just going to need to enforce tax compliance and raise top slice income, Cap Gains, and inheritance taxes back to the higher ranges they were in during our nation’s sustained periods of economic expansion.

The GOP as a rural only rump party might drag on for another couple of decades. Never again is there a chance a majority will rally behind its cascade of betrayal and hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 08, 2018, 08:48:39 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/drunk-driver-claims-shes-too-white-to-be-arrested/ar-BBLDWC8?li=AAgfIYZ&OCID=AVRES000 (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/drunk-driver-claims-shes-too-white-to-be-arrested/ar-BBLDWC8?li=AAgfIYZ&OCID=AVRES000)

An American drink-driver argued that she should not be arrested because she is a "very clean, thoroughbred, white girl", police documents state.

South Carolina woman Lauren Elizabeth Cutshaw, 32, was allegedly caught driving through a stop sign at twice the speed limit while under the influence early Saturday morning.


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Well there you go.
Hmmm, must remember that one...no harm in trying it.
Thru a stop sign, under the influence, at twice the speed limit...think the cops would just laugh at me as they wrote out the fines...and impounded my car for 30 days.
On 'Highway Patrol' [Victoria state] tv last night...a very polite young 'Indian' gentleman in a flash BMW SUV was stopped by the cops for speeding, and going thru a STOP sign without stopping.
133kph in a 70kph zone.
He was no longer smiling when the cop informed him that his nice car was being impounded for 30 days.
He basically begged the cops not to take his car, tried pointing to his clean driving record for the last 5 years, and that he "would never do it again".
Cops just kept shanking their heads in denial of his pleas.
But resigned to his fate, he was last seen walking off into the sunset with his about 8 pizza boxes, "pizza run for the family".
Who gives a.damn about you fucking KANGAROO KILLERS! MARSUPIAL MASSACRERERS!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-farmers-kill-kangaroos-drought-a8482896.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-farmers-kill-kangaroos-drought-a8482896.html)

No Harvard degree needed for this one either;

Niall Blair, New South Wales primary industries minister, justified the move saying the number of kangaroos had reached “plague proportions”.
 
He said: “Many farmers are taking livestock off their paddocks, only to then see kangaroos move in and take whatever is left. If we don’t manage this situation we will start to see tens of thousands of kangaroos starving and suffering, ultimately leading to a major animal welfare crisis.”

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 08, 2018, 09:39:41 PM

Who gives a.damn about you fucking KANGAROO KILLERS! MARSUPIAL MASSACRERERS!

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-farmers-kill-kangaroos-drought-a8482896.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/australia-farmers-kill-kangaroos-drought-a8482896.html)

Murders in the 'roo morgue?

Wall aby damned!

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 08, 2018, 10:25:42 PM
Bambu would go a-hunting those mischievous marsupials, but the frumpy government won’t let him have any fun with guns.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 08, 2018, 11:37:53 PM
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/saudi-arabia-canada-economic-impact-1.4777407?cmp=FB_Post_News (https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/saudi-arabia-canada-economic-impact-1.4777407?cmp=FB_Post_News)

Canada/Saudi Arabia conflict
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 08, 2018, 11:58:23 PM
The market has decided we are all fighting terrorism and kleptocracy from now on.

http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/13/17551878/natural-gas-markets-renewable-energy (http://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/13/17551878/natural-gas-markets-renewable-energy)

The price of installing new renewable enegy harvesting and storage will soon be cheaper than operating equivalently productive LNG.

Not to mention oil.

Not to mention coal.

Hi-five to the invisible hand.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 09, 2018, 12:41:45 AM
https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/ (https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/)

Pesky regulations getting in the way of profit...

Let's allow asbestos back in, shall we?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 09, 2018, 01:45:58 AM
Bambu would go a-hunting those mischievous marsupials, but the frumpy government won’t let him have any fun with guns.

No fun shooting kangaroos, but sometimes you have to.
bambu has owned several different guns...in the olden days, when anyone could just buy a gun, no questions asked.
Kangaroos, rabbits, foxes, crows ...all the enemies of farmer Joe.
They [kangaroos, rabbits] just looove eating the green wheat as it's a few inches high. Foxes eat the tongues out of little lambs, and crows peck their eyes out.

If kangaroos and rabbits eat all your wheat [you spent 'a fortune' planting]...then there goes your income...and into poverty you go!

Wild pigs, another menace.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 09, 2018, 03:57:39 AM
---Iran crowds reportedly chant 'death to the dictator!' as US sanctions increase economic unrest---


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html)

Now this is truly wonderful news. Like Reagan saying tear down that wall. Stop exporting terrorism and keeping your people locked up in a medieval shithole, Mr. Ayatollah.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 08:14:59 AM
---Iran crowds reportedly chant 'death to the dictator!' as US sanctions increase economic unrest---


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html)

Now this is truly wonderful news. Like Reagan saying tear down that wall. Stop exporting terrorism and keeping your people locked up in a medieval shithole, Mr. Ayatollah.
Do you realize, Luee, that if the Iranian government were to somehow fall your chum, the always wonderful Assad, is finished too?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 09, 2018, 09:49:33 AM
https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/ (https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/)

Pesky regulations getting in the way of profit...

Let's allow asbestos back in, shall we?

Alexandra Petri has an amusing column on this a day or two back,  in WaPo. 

I have a crush on her.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 11:34:03 AM
https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/ (https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/)

Pesky regulations getting in the way of profit...

Let's allow asbestos back in, shall we?

Alexandra Petri has an amusing column on this a day or two back,  in WaPo. 

I have a crush on her.
She's quite a dish....
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 09, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
And cultured.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 09, 2018, 12:33:02 PM
The America we know and love doesn't exist anymore.  Massive demographic changes have been foisted on the American people, and they are changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like...this is related to both illegal and legal immigration

- Laura Ingraham

This is the FOX-created bubble that kidcarter8 and REDSTATEWARD reside in, a bubble where this kind of open racism and xenophobia not only goes unquestioned, but where it is assumed that the American people share it.

It is of course just wrong.  The idea that immigration runs counter to the idea of America is breathtakingly ignorant of the very history of this country.

It is also totally ignorant of current opinion and politics.  Polls show large majority of Americans support a path to citizenship and DACA, and are against The Wall.  And if our current immigration policy does not support the will of voters its because its too restrictive.  A straight vote on DACA would pass congress, which is why McConnell/Ryan won't bring it to a vote.  And no, "most of us" did not vote for Trump's white nationalist immigration policies.  Most of us didn't vote for him.

But this is all they know.  This is the world as they see it.  And this total wrongness, on every level, is what produces the Trump Voter.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 12:50:37 PM
It is of course just wrong.  The idea that immigration runs counter to the idea of America is breathtakingly ignorant of the very history of this country.


While this may be true, I do think it's important to add that for a very long time large amounts of Americans have been more in favor immigration as an idea, rather than a policy.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 09, 2018, 01:37:34 PM
https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/ (https://archpaper.com/2018/08/epa-asbestos-manufacturing/)

Pesky regulations getting in the way of profit...

Let's allow asbestos back in, shall we?

Alexandra Petri has an amusing column on this a day or two back,  in WaPo. 

I have a crush on her.
She's quite a dish....


She’s brilliant. That was easy to see when she was in the school theater program with my kids.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 03:31:54 PM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

Yes, I am proud to disagree.  But please - no, NEEDS - dont assign every word from the mouths of Ms Ingraham and others to me.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 09, 2018, 03:39:10 PM
Kid you have to own up to the fact that your negative view of immigration is cause by republican scapegoating of immigrants to cover for their massive mismanagement and policy failures. Immigration in the United States is only a crisis where andwhen republicans make it so. Despite white nationalism, immigrants continue to make America great.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 09, 2018, 04:02:18 PM
Preach!


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/primaries-don-t-show-democrats-divided-they-show-party-mature-ncna898966 (https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/primaries-don-t-show-democrats-divided-they-show-party-mature-ncna898966)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 09, 2018, 04:40:12 PM
---Iran crowds reportedly chant 'death to the dictator!' as US sanctions increase economic unrest---


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html)

Now this is truly wonderful news. Like Reagan saying tear down that wall. Stop exporting terrorism and keeping your people locked up in a medieval shithole, Mr. Ayatollah.
Do you realize, Luee, that if the Iranian government were to somehow fall your chum, the always wonderful Assad, is finished too?

Too late for ISIS, so sad for the youths of Islam who left their homes to build a new caliphate, rape females of all species, and kill infidels in novel and horrible ways as written in the book?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 04:43:18 PM
---Iran crowds reportedly chant 'death to the dictator!' as US sanctions increase economic unrest---


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html)

Now this is truly wonderful news. Like Reagan saying tear down that wall. Stop exporting terrorism and keeping your people locked up in a medieval shithole, Mr. Ayatollah.
Do you realize, Luee, that if the Iranian government were to somehow fall your chum, the always wonderful Assad, is finished too?

Too late for ISIS, so sad for the youths of Islam who left their homes to build a new caliphate, rape females of all species, and kill infidels in novel and horrible ways as written in the book?
?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 09, 2018, 05:19:36 PM
---Iran crowds reportedly chant 'death to the dictator!' as US sanctions increase economic unrest---


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/08/07/iran-crowds-reportedly-chant-death-to-dictator-as-us-sanctions-increase-economic-unrest.html)

Now this is truly wonderful news. Like Reagan saying tear down that wall. Stop exporting terrorism and keeping your people locked up in a medieval shithole, Mr. Ayatollah.
Do you realize, Luee, that if the Iranian government were to somehow fall your chum, the always wonderful Assad, is finished too?

Too late for ISIS, so sad for the youths of Islam who left their homes to build a new caliphate, rape females of all species, and kill infidels in novel and horrible ways as written in the book?
?
luee's posts often read like they came from Mad Libs - Hate Edition.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 09, 2018, 05:26:48 PM
Mad Libs,  Hate edition....hehe.   


If Laura Ingraham-Cracker had been living when my ancestors immigrated, she would have viewed them as revolting filth ruining the country.  She needs to spend some time in a country that succeeds in keeping all immigrants out...North Korea perhaps.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 09, 2018, 06:34:14 PM
Ah yes...massive, uncapped, illegal and legal 'open borders' immigration...a certain recipe for destroying America as it is today.
Anyone who thinks it isn't needs to have a look around at the rest of the 'Christian West' world.
...slowly being turned into places that don't resemble what they once did.

Many people in America seem to be cheering for the end of the White race, the end of a White-majority America..now, and for America to become 'Mexico'/'Sth America'/'Asia'/'Middle East'/'Africa' instead.
"White privilege" must end they scream.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 09, 2018, 06:50:13 PM
America as it is today is destroying America as it is today thanks to the policies of white Majority groups now in a shrinking minority.

Bambu-Koolaid, please only suggest ways to fuck up your own country and life. No one else needs your advice or values your opinion
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 09, 2018, 07:02:03 PM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

There is, of course, a huge valley between no limits whatsoever, and the position articulated in my post which is current policy plus a reasonable path to citizenship, plus citizen status for DACA recipients.  That is, as I said, the policy that according to polling is supported by a majority in this country.  The policy supported by yourself and the President and toxic asshats like Ingraham is to further reduce legal immigration.  You think this will solve some deep problem facing the country, but you can't say what that is.  Really the problem is yours.  You don't like brown people.

Yes, I am proud to disagree.  But please - no, NEEDS - dont assign every word from the mouths of Ms Ingraham and others to me.

I didn't assign "every word" from Ingraham's mouth to you.  I assigned one very specific quote, which I took the trouble of transcribing into my post.  A few days ago you posted that Trump was "saving the nation" by reducing the number of green cards granted, and putting forward proposals to make it even harder for legal immigrants to be citizens.  That is a position that is indistinguishable from the one Ingraham articulated in that quote.

-->
Cant save the nation - but can help while he is POTUS:

https://twitter.com/marianaatencio/status/1026788730651242496 (https://twitter.com/marianaatencio/status/1026788730651242496)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 09, 2018, 07:12:35 PM
It is of course just wrong.  The idea that immigration runs counter to the idea of America is breathtakingly ignorant of the very history of this country.


While this may be true, I do think it's important to add that for a very long time large amounts of Americans have been more in favor immigration as an idea, rather than a policy.

The idea of "America" is what we are talking about.  And whatever the attitudes of some people at any one time, however widespread, policy has on balance supported that idea.

For those in the FOX bubble, "America" is wherever they and theirs reside and can harbor white nationalist ideals without their being challenged by daily interactions with brown folk.  Nothing about that is American, in fact it isn't a definition of any country's idea at all.  Any Right-wing white nationalist could make that same argument, in any country they happen to be from. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 07:21:50 PM
Support of that "idea" has never been that widespread except for small durations of time. And anti-immigrant Americans have historically been on both ends of the so-called political spectrum. It's possible to call Kid a racist fool and acknowledge this fact at the same time.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 07:26:58 PM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

There is, of course, a huge valley between no limits whatsoever, and the position articulated in my post which is current policy plus a reasonable path to citizenship, plus citizen status for DACA recipients.  That is, as I said, the policy that according to polling is supported by a majority in this country. 

First off - "the majority of the country" tally doesnt matter on issues - the current controlling party gets to dictate.

If we all voted on everything the nation would be more of a mess

As for your description of your current stance - happy to hear you recommend the Guatemalans, Mexicans, etc trying to illegally enter our nation at the souithern border be turned away -

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 09, 2018, 07:27:53 PM
Maybe White nationalists in America look at Africa, India, China/Asia, Middle East, Mexico and Sth America...today...and don't want their country to end up like these places.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 09, 2018, 07:29:03 PM
Support of that "idea" has never been that widespread except for small durations of time. And anti-immigrant Americans have historically been on both ends of the so-called political spectrum. It's possible to call Kid a racist fool and acknowledge this fact at the same time.

Acknowledge a “fact” that is so vaguely defined and in reality easily disputed?

Support for that “idea” has never been widespread...except now?  When (for the third time) Americans support DACA and a path to citizenship?

America may no longer distinguish itself from other advanced countries on policy, but that “idea” and the culture of this country is unique in its acceptance and integration of immigrants. I think that’s a “fact” and don’t think I need to also argue that there has never been widespread racism, or xenophobia in the US to say it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 07:32:17 PM
My initial statement was that American's idea of embracing immigrants has long been more of an idea than a practice. That's it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 09, 2018, 07:37:50 PM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

There is, of course, a huge valley between no limits whatsoever, and the position articulated in my post which is current policy plus a reasonable path to citizenship, plus citizen status for DACA recipients.  That is, as I said, the policy that according to polling is supported by a majority in this country. 

First off - "the majority of the country" tally doesnt matter on issues - the current controlling party gets to dictate.

If we all voted on everything the nation would be more of a mess

My point is that a majority of Americans disagree with Ingraham and your idea of what “America” is. I don’t expect that to give you pause.

And current immigration policy is being dictated by a handful of hard righters in the House, a senate leader who won’t bring DACA for a vote because it would pass and he wants to hold it hostage, and a President who lost the election by 3 million votes.  No we don’t vote on everything. But when we do vote, it should matter.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 09, 2018, 07:40:23 PM
My initial statement was that American's idea of embracing immigrants has long been more of an idea than a practice. That's it.

And my response is that it’s unsupported and vague cynicism that really isn’t relevant to the conversation, even if that were true.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 09, 2018, 07:49:11 PM
Historical research will show my statement to be neither cynical
nor inaccurate. But no need to pursue the matter further.

It kills me that Kid and Bambu focus on the issue of crossing the border "illegally" as a sin that renders all meaningful discussion on the matter impossible. I suggest both of our leading bigots look up the difference between crimes that are mala prohibita and those that are mala in se.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 09, 2018, 07:53:57 PM
If it is such a terrible country why are peoples of other countries swarming to enter? We are no longer an agrarian, mining society as in the 19th to mid 20th centuries. The US needs illegal immigrants like Puerto Rico needs more hurricanes.

---ISRAEL-SYRIA BORDER –  Syria’s official news agency says the government is deploying ground troops preparing to launch an attack against ISIS forces in Suwayda Province in the southeastern portion of the country.

According to local media reports, ISIS has been eradicated from most parts of southern Syria and is operating from a small sliver of territory. Earlier this week, the Syrian military launched air strikes targeting remaining ISIS forces.

Last month, ISIS in what appears to be an act of desperation, killed more than 200 civilians and abducted more than two dozen mostly women and children from Suwayda. The attack is considered the deadliest in the predominantly government held province. Most of the victims are Druze, a minority group of about 700,000.---
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 09, 2018, 07:58:48 PM
https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1027704056645672962 (https://twitter.com/marklevinshow/status/1027704056645672962)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 09, 2018, 08:22:14 PM
It is of course just wrong.  The idea that immigration runs counter to the idea of America is breathtakingly ignorant of the very history of this country.


While this may be true, I do think it's important to add that for a very long time large amounts of Americans have been more in favor immigration as an idea, rather than a policy.
What Americans have been and are still interested in is what power our Government has in controlling Immigration.
SCOTUS said in 1893
every sovereign nation has the power, as inherent in sovereignty, and essential to self-preservation, to forbid the entrance of foreigners within its dominions.’”
That principle was upheld this year by the Court in ruling in favor of the Trump Travel Ban.

Obviously we  can allow others to join our country but we have the sovereign right to specify the terms and qualifications. We said, in the Declaration of Independence, that Americans are absolved from perpetual allegiance to the British Crown
To
no individual can be ruled without his consent.

So any immigration policy based on charity, compassion, or trite phrases like “ diversity is our strength” is ridiculous.

We have the duty to insist that those wishing to join us will adopt our habits, manners, independence, and self-reliance.
Plus present useful skills to prevent them from becoming victims of the welfare state.



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 09, 2018, 08:53:51 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/politics/judge-halts-deportations-sessions/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/politics/judge-halts-deportations-sessions/index.html)

The judge is considering declaring Sessions in contempt - and it is long past time that he do so, given the refusal of this administration to heed his instructions.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 09, 2018, 09:03:36 PM
It’s weird to see Red come out against republicans, bankers, fossil fuel extractors, payday lenders being allowed to immigrate into the United States. If he doesn’t want to be burdened by these welfare dependent groups, who am I to impinge on his sovereignty?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 09, 2018, 09:09:35 PM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

There is, of course, a huge valley between no limits whatsoever, and the position articulated in my post which is current policy plus a reasonable path to citizenship, plus citizen status for DACA recipients.  That is, as I said, the policy that according to polling is supported by a majority in this country. 

First off - "the majority of the country" tally doesnt matter on issues - the current controlling party gets to dictate.

If we all voted on everything the nation would be more of a mess

As for your description of your current stance - happy to hear you recommend the Guatemalans, Mexicans, etc trying to illegally enter our nation at the souithern border be turned away -

Seig heil, motherfuckahs!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 09, 2018, 10:55:28 PM
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216387050.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216387050.html)

The GOP doubles down on its racism in Missouri.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 09, 2018, 11:34:09 PM
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216387050.html (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216387050.html)

The GOP doubles down on its racism in Missouri.

It’s both who they are at their core and all they have left.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 09, 2018, 11:45:22 PM
(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38785153_1958495564172192_2480764747868274688_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=53bd0cb2fbaef8522b49697fc6018c40&oe=5C0966F9)

Steve Schmidt, former GOP member sums up "President" Trump and the GOP quite effectively.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 12:06:40 AM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

There is, of course, a huge valley between no limits whatsoever, and the position articulated in my post which is current policy plus a reasonable path to citizenship, plus citizen status for DACA recipients.  That is, as I said, the policy that according to polling is supported by a majority in this country. 

First off - "the majority of the country" tally doesnt matter on issues - the current controlling party gets to dictate.

If we all voted on everything the nation would be more of a mess

My point is that a majority of Americans disagree with Ingraham and your idea of what “America” is.

heh

No, I dont think this is so.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 10, 2018, 12:37:15 AM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

There is, of course, a huge valley between no limits whatsoever, and the position articulated in my post which is current policy plus a reasonable path to citizenship, plus citizen status for DACA recipients.  That is, as I said, the policy that according to polling is supported by a majority in this country. 

First off - "the majority of the country" tally doesnt matter on issues - the current controlling party gets to dictate.

If we all voted on everything the nation would be more of a mess

My point is that a majority of Americans disagree with Ingraham and your idea of what “America” is.

heh

No, I dont think.

FIFY

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 10, 2018, 12:48:48 AM
So NEEDS' point is that because immigration CREATED the country, en masse' immigration should always be accepted - with no real limits whatsoever.

There is, of course, a huge valley between no limits whatsoever, and the position articulated in my post which is current policy plus a reasonable path to citizenship, plus citizen status for DACA recipients.  That is, as I said, the policy that according to polling is supported by a majority in this country. 

First off - "the majority of the country" tally doesnt matter on issues - the current controlling party gets to dictate.

If we all voted on everything the nation would be more of a mess

My point is that a majority of Americans disagree with Ingraham and your idea of what “America” is.

heh

No, I dont think this is so.

Duh.

Of course you don't think this is so, Kiid.

But yours is the party in which a majority of the members think Christianity should be the state religion and a plurality thinks that "President" Trump should be allowed to shut down any media firm that he, in his sole "wisdom," thinks is behaving badly.

43%!

So, even if you were right that the majority believes what you believe, I don't give a fuck because your party is palpably unamerican by the definition of what makes this country different from every other religiously led fiefdom.

And if you don't repudiate their opinion, that puts you in that boat, too.

Perhaps you and Red should just get yourselves a pair of these tee shirts!
(https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/2018/08/id-rather-be-russian-than-democrat.jpg)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 01:58:51 AM
Kid is trying to get himself in order and presentable for a move to Mississippi. To do that he has to show he speaks dumb fluently. He practices here.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 10, 2018, 05:37:56 AM
One only has to look toward Europe where they refer to it as a migrant crisis. Millions and millions have come over bringing with them a little of the old sod in the form of violence, poverty, and a failed xenophobic medieval culture that does not allow assimilation.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 10, 2018, 07:08:56 AM
Kris Koback, Donald Trump’s already disgraced voter fraud czar, committing fraud to change the vote in his primary election in Kansas.

http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html (http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html)

So perfectly the story of the GOP and Trump.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 10, 2018, 09:31:26 AM
Yep,  there have been reports of possible voter intimidation in western Kansas.   This will surely end up in the courts.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 10, 2018, 09:58:58 AM
Trump uses N-word. It's on tape.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-trump-racist-uses-n-110041720.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-trump-racist-uses-n-110041720.html)


Appealing to his base?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 10, 2018, 10:25:56 AM
Kris Koback, Donald Trump’s already disgraced voter fraud czar, committing fraud to change the vote in his primary election in Kansas.

http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html (http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html)

So perfectly the story of the GOP and Trump.

There are so many such stories. Here's another, this from Florida, where karma is hard at work.

https://orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2018/08/07/florida-republican-who-tried-to-abolish-epa-says-toxic-algae-crisis-is-horrifying (https://orlandoweekly.com/Blogs/archives/2018/08/07/florida-republican-who-tried-to-abolish-epa-says-toxic-algae-crisis-is-horrifying)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on August 10, 2018, 11:28:35 AM
Trump uses N-word. It's on tape.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-trump-racist-uses-n-110041720.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-trump-racist-uses-n-110041720.html)


Appealing to his base?

some thoughts:

1.  I have little doubt that Trump has used the N-word.  Or the other racist epithets alleged in the article.

2.  Where is the tape?

3.  She lost her job and has a book coming out.  This is not the stuff that impartial and objective sources of factual information come from. 

4.  Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all Trump's words and actions catch up with him.  But the profit motive, as well as the revenge motive, is strong enough here to cloud the hope of a good clean catch. 

5.  I have no doubt that a portion of Trump's base would replay such a tape over and over, luxuriating in such piehole sounds that way The Dude enjoys his bowling alley tape that he listens to over and over.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 11:42:58 AM
Kris Koback, Donald Trump’s already disgraced voter fraud czar, committing fraud to change the vote in his primary election in Kansas.

http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html (http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html)

So perfectly the story of the GOP and Trump.

There is only one solution in Kansas:

Get Katherine Harris!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 11:56:39 AM
Re:  "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat"

I dont happen to believe all Democrats act - or should act - like all other Democrats

Same for Republicans

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 10, 2018, 12:16:56 PM
Kris Koback, Donald Trump’s already disgraced voter fraud czar, committing fraud to change the vote in his primary election in Kansas.

http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html (http://amp.kansascity.com/latest-news/article216397410.html)

So perfectly the story of the GOP and Trump.

There is only one solution in Kansas:

Get Katherine Harris!

Yes, get someone who fostered a system that made it very difficult for ex-felons to restore their voting rights, and then purged as many of them as possible.  She supported institutional bias in a big way. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 10, 2018, 12:20:48 PM
Re:  "I'd rather be Russian than a Democrat"

I dont happen to believe all Democrats act - or should act - like all other Democrats

Same for Republicans

Ocasio-Cortez Democrats are quite different from Heidi Heitkamp Democrats, for sure. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 10, 2018, 12:42:20 PM
I don't understand why the Dems don't run directly against tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

You have major companies such as Exxon Mobil with billion dollar profits and not paying any corporate tax on profits because they play the tax game.

I'd call for a minimum 15% tax on profits for all companies.
No more zeroing out your taxes (for decades in some cases by some companies).   And look into eliminating and reducing the many ways to hide and shield and other mislabel profits.

I saw recently a stat that US workers pay something like $1.6T in annual income tax, while companies pay around $250B.    Workers pay nearly 5x more than the companies they work for.  The way the tax burden has been shifted from companies to workers is part of the inequality story.  A huge boon for executives and stockholders.

You want to close the deficit, simply drop a $600B tax on companies.
I'd be very interested to know how much my minimum 15% corporate tax rate would generate.  It would be a good start.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 10, 2018, 12:54:37 PM
Trump uses N-word. It's on tape.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-trump-racist-uses-n-110041720.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/omarosa-trump-racist-uses-n-110041720.html)


Appealing to his base?

some thoughts:

1.  I have little doubt that Trump has used the N-word.  Or the other racist epithets alleged in the article.

2.  Where is the tape?

3.  She lost her job and has a book coming out.  This is not the stuff that impartial and objective sources of factual information come from. 

4.  Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all Trump's words and actions catch up with him.  But the profit motive, as well as the revenge motive, is strong enough here to cloud the hope of a good clean catch. 

5.  I have no doubt that a portion of Trump's base would replay such a tape over and over, luxuriating in such piehole sounds that way The Dude enjoys his bowling alley tape that he listens to over and over.
She is also a minor reality tv star unwilling to realize that her sell by date passed when LeBron James was a rookie. Meaning no tape, no issue.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 01:07:09 PM
Kathrine Harris is among the American greats right beside Benedict Arnold and Alger Hiss.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 10, 2018, 01:26:43 PM
I don't understand why the Dems don't run directly against tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy.

They are.  Democrats running in 2018 have targeted the Trump Tax Cut.  Its Republicans who won’t defend them, while hoping yelling “Pelosi!” and running the other way works out for them as an election strategy.

Used to be, I think, that a tax cut (for whomever) was a safe bet politically and not a big mobilizing force for voters who opposed it.  That’s not working out this time around, for a few reasons;

A)   The guy who proposed it…he is unpopular, and when you are a fat cat who (along with your buddies) personally benefits hugely from a policy it is going to get more scrutiny from voters.  Republicans tried that play on Obama with Solyndra, but this time it’s real.  Outside of some other possibilities, this is why Trump won’t release his tax returns.  Best voters don’t know exactly how many billions Trump signed over to himself.

B)   The hyped benefits are, so far, all hype.  Republicans sold the cut as primarily a booster for middle class wages. Wages this year haven’t kept up with inflation, so real wages have gone down in 2018, especially for people below the top 25%.  The same people Paul Ryan & Co. promised big raises to (remember that $4,000/year number?) haven’t seen squat while stock buybacks set records.  People who don’t pay attention to the daily back and forth of politics notice when they look at their paychecks once or twice a month and see that they have been lied to.

C)   Democrats have done a good job articulating the trade-offs, and (accurately) describing Republican priorities.  I think it was Connor Lamb who had the ad that highlighted how quickly Ryan pivoted from passing the $1.5 Trillion tax cut to proposing cuts in social spending.

D)   Republicans spent 8 years hyping the dangers of a deficit, and while they are strangely silent on that now, people remember.  And no one who isn’t a deeply indoctrinated right winger believes the bullshit that tax cuts pay for themselves anymore.

 Republicans want to tell the working class that immigrants are to blame for their lack of economic advancement, Democrats are having some success pointing at the real culprits.  And when your target is as large as a big orange blonde inflatable baby, that helps.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 02:48:56 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 02:57:04 PM
https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1027959541135286272 (https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1027959541135286272)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 03:01:29 PM
YAWN....
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 03:06:14 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb)

The endgame is to push you all into Mississippi and quarantine you there till, fueled by global warming and your own ignorance, flood, insects and disease finish you off. It’s only fair. It’s what your block is trying to do to the nation as a whole. If we encourage and contain yourself-immolation, maybe we can save the rest of the forest.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 03:10:39 PM
https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1027959541135286272 (https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1027959541135286272)

Wormtongue sad people tune out poisonous bullshit. How will Wormtongue sabotage country now? Master will punish Wormtongue...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 10, 2018, 03:44:00 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb)

Why do I think you only read the headline, then posted an article detailing how Republicans are becoming the party of Nazism as a scoreboard own of the libs?

Because that is probably what happened.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 03:50:53 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb)

Why do I think you only read the headline, then posted an article detailing how Republicans are becoming the party of Nazism as a scoreboard own of the libs?

Because that is probably what happened.
There's a good possibility that makes Kid happy. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 10, 2018, 03:51:56 PM
YAWN....

Indeed.

When someone describes the deletion of hate speech from social media as censorship of “alt Media” they are not correctly identifying the party that is behaving in a problematic way.

And zero surprise that kidcarter8 buys into it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 03:55:07 PM
YAWN....

Indeed.

When someone describes the deletion of hate speech from social media as censorship of “alt Media” they are not correctly identifying the party that is behaving in a problematic way.

And zero surprise that kidcarter8 buys into it.
I yawned without reading one of Kid's twitter links.  You're a better person than me for doing so. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 04:05:32 PM
YAWN....

Indeed.

When someone describes the deletion of hate speech from social media as censorship of “alt Media” they are not correctly identifying the party that is behaving in a problematic way.

And zero surprise that kidcarter8 buys into it.
I yawned without reading one of Kid's twitter links.   

heh

that right?

I figure you'd have liked the one
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 04:07:40 PM
I'll take your word for it. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 04:49:51 PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/the-battle-that-erupted-in-charlottesville-is-far-from-over/567167/?utm_source=twb)

Why do I think you only read the headline, then posted an article detailing how Republicans are becoming the party of Nazism as a scoreboard own of the libs?

Because that is probably what happened.

nah
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 05:15:06 PM
Kavanaugh is about to get Me Tooed. In the firing line for how he used his thumbs in the hiring line for the disgraced and ejected judge, Alex Kozinski, he toadied for even in the role as feeder for Justice Kennedy. More of that deep stank rank republican corruption is ready to erupt from the ground and spread all over the airwaves as soon as hearings officially get underway. Will hearings get underway? Is the chance better or worse than that of trump sitting down with Mueller?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 05:41:39 PM
More sweets bubble up from the swamp

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/10/covert-operative-pentagon-bill-cowan-fox-news-219345 (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/10/covert-operative-pentagon-bill-cowan-fox-news-219345)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 10, 2018, 06:20:33 PM
Jones conjured a fake Google conspiracy.

 “Google, because we’re also trending on Google, Google does not list us. It does not show that the app exists.” Jones showed a video that an Infowars staffer had tweeted out earlier. The video shows a phone displaying Google Play Store’s trending list.

Infowars said it was because Google didn’t want you to see the success of the app. However, it seems Jones and his crew neglected to notice that Google by default hides apps from the Play Store list that have already been installed on a user’s phone.

Had they changed that setting to display all apps, their conspiracy theory would have fallen apart.

Jones is not media.   He is an attention-seeking clown and pathological liar.   Kid,  it took me literally one minute to fact check his Google conspiracy.  It's worth your time to do the same with anything that emanates from his paranoid hate machine.   

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 10, 2018, 06:33:08 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/are-you-still-sure-theres-no-need-to-worry/2018/08/10/a5d8fa74-9cc2-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.22674f5f1e26 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/are-you-still-sure-theres-no-need-to-worry/2018/08/10/a5d8fa74-9cc2-11e8-b60b-1c897f17e185_story.html?utm_term=.22674f5f1e26)

Is America really all about law and order? 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 10, 2018, 06:33:51 PM

Outside of some other possibilities, this is why Trump won’t release his tax returns.
The fiasco of democrats jousting with the Emlouments Windmill would certainly be a 24/7 futile exercise if Trump’s tax returns were available.

Quote
The hyped benefits are, so far, all hype.  Republicans sold the cut as primarily a booster for middle class wages. Wages this year haven’t kept up with inflation, so real wages have gone down in 2018, especially for people below the top 25%. 
Wrong. Real wages have gone UP for everyone along with the GDP while unemployment has gone DOWN. Any rise in inflation does not change that.  But I notice your faulty logic begs the question “ “ what if there were no tax cuts while inflation went up”?

Quote
The same people Paul Ryan & Co. promised big raises to (remember that $4,000/year number?) haven’t seen squat while stock buybacks set records.  People who don’t pay attention to the daily back and forth of politics notice when they look at their paychecks once or twice a month and see that they have been lied to.
LOL. More people now have paychecks to look at thanks to the tax cuts
Quote

Democrats have done a good job articulating the trade-offs, and (accurately) describing Republican priorities.  I think it was Connor Lamb who had the ad that highlighted how quickly Ryan pivoted from passing the $1.5 Trillion tax cut to proposing cuts in social spending.
the increase in Social Spending was the democrats’ price tag for the tax cuts.
Quote
Republicans spent 8 years hyping the dangers of a deficit, and while they are strangely silent on that now, people remember.  And no one who isn’t a deeply indoctrinated right winger believes the bullshit that tax cuts pay for themselves anymore.
Hypocrisy, squared. Hillary ran on eliminating energy jobs and higher taxes.  Trump ran on lowering taxes and preserving energy jobs.

 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 06:43:04 PM
His enormous bullshit crawls out from under its rock,

My Hypocrisy, is squared. Hillary ran on eliminating energy region killing jobs and higher taxes on the wealthy and parasitically wealthy.  Trump ran on lowering taxes on the wealthy and parasitically wealthy and preserving energy region killing jobs”

Trump sure bends over to deliver for any region killing and for all parasites.

FIFY.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 06:43:35 PM
Oh, please - make her your nominee

https://twitter.com/BigSteve207/status/1028029237998039041 (https://twitter.com/BigSteve207/status/1028029237998039041)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 06:43:47 PM
LOL! Wrong!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 10, 2018, 07:06:27 PM
Anti-intellectualism is alive and well in other places, not just in the US:
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/it-s-unprecedented-staffers-drown-out-reporters-by-clapping-at-doug-ford-news-conference-1.4779157 (http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/it-s-unprecedented-staffers-drown-out-reporters-by-clapping-at-doug-ford-news-conference-1.4779157)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/11/rise-of-italian-populist-parties-buoys-anti-vaccine-movement (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/11/rise-of-italian-populist-parties-buoys-anti-vaccine-movement)

It's problematic.

Or not - maybe Kiid and Reed don't believe in vaccines, either?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 10, 2018, 07:54:01 PM
Anti-intellectualism is alive and well in other places, not just in the US:
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/it-s-unprecedented-staffers-drown-out-reporters-by-clapping-at-doug-ford-news-conference-1.4779157 (http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/it-s-unprecedented-staffers-drown-out-reporters-by-clapping-at-doug-ford-news-conference-1.4779157)

Troll Josh’s Internet search turns up international liberal fascism!
Dog bites man.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 08:07:59 PM
Liberal fascism!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 10, 2018, 08:08:08 PM
The New York Times explains its latest witch hunt to discredit SCOTUS nominee Brett Cavanaugh.


U.S. Supreme Court justices have some of the most important jobs in the country, given their lifetime appointments and the gravity of the issues facing the high court.

That’s why newsrooms across the country, including The New York Times, have spilled a lot of ink covering President Trump’s nomination of Brett M. Kavanaugh to fill the seat left vacant by Justice Anthony M. Kennedy’s retirement.

As journalists, we aim to shed light on important people in the news — particularly public officials and Supreme Court nominees — to help our readers understand them, how they think and how they operate. That due diligence leads us to interview people who know the nominees, like colleagues and neighbors. It requires that we read what the nominees have written or watch speeches they’ve delivered. And it often depends on our requests for public records that could offer our readers a fresh perspective about the nominees.

In the case of Mr. Kavanaugh, The Times requested records under Maryland’s public records law from Chevy Chase Section 5, where the nominee’s wife, Ashley, serves as town manager.

We sought email records involving Judge Kavanaugh and communications that referenced hot-button topics. We believed that the records, if they existed, could provide a unique and personalized view into the nominee. We worked with the town to minimize the time and cost involved in responding to our request. (The Associated Press submitted its own request, and The Times and others have filed separate requests with the National Archives pertaining to Mr. Kavanaugh.)

Ultimately, our request yielded 85 pages of emails, none of which provided any substantive insights into Mr. Kavanaugh’s judicial philosophy. Instead, the records were largely what you would expect from a town manager’s email account — mundane dispatches about town business, from snow removals to local newsletters. Not surprisingly, a number of people, neighbors and strangers alike, sent Ashley Kavanaugh congratulations on her husband’s nomination.

In other words, it was hardly front-page news.

And yet, we recognized before submitting the request that this was a possible outcome. We often file public records requests that yield no newsworthy information.

But when it comes to reporting on a potential Supreme Court justice, we had to try.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 08:28:17 PM
Witch hunt!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 10, 2018, 08:32:32 PM
Witch hunt!
Fail.
Again.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 10, 2018, 08:33:45 PM
Too many questions will upset the mountain of corpses Kavanaugh is standing on.

With every GOP Senator and congressperson now fearing arrest for their “routine” nest feathering or pervert protection, it is all just too much for the snowflakes to bear.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 08:35:57 PM
"Witch hunt"


I win

https://www.theroot.com/apparently-omarosa-was-the-white-houses-wilona-from-go-1803133470 (https://www.theroot.com/apparently-omarosa-was-the-white-houses-wilona-from-go-1803133470)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 09:02:29 PM
"Witch hunt" and "liberal fascism" in consecutive posts, Red. Nice to see you using Donald Trump and Jonah F'ing Goldberg as intellectual lodestars.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 10, 2018, 09:54:14 PM
"Witch hunt" and "liberal fascism" in consecutive posts, Red. Nice to see you using Donald Trump and Jonah F'ing Goldberg as intellectual lodestars.
no evidence to date suggests otherwise.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 10, 2018, 10:09:31 PM
https://twitter.com/gehrig38/status/1027802025218768897 (https://twitter.com/gehrig38/status/1027802025218768897)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 10, 2018, 10:53:54 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/islamic-state-terrorists-lose-australian-citizenship/10092678 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-08-09/islamic-state-terrorists-lose-australian-citizenship/10092678)

Islamic State involvement sees five Australian terrorists stripped of citizenship

Australia has stripped five people of their citizenship due to involvement with Islamic State and "serious terrorist-related activity", Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton says.

Key points:
•Five dual citizens stripped of Australian citizenship over involvement with Islamic State
•Khaled Sharrouf is the only other person to lose Australian citizenship under 2015 anti-terror laws
•Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton said more terrorists are likely to lose Australian citizenship

"We have taken a decision that these people have been involved in serious terrorist-related activity," Mr Dutton told AM.
"Australia is a safer place for not having them return," he said.


#####

Indeed.
Should be more of it...and not only for dual citizens.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 10, 2018, 10:56:54 PM
You'd think everyone in America would be cheering for Trump's travel and immigration bans...given what happened on 9/11 etc by terrorists.

But no.
Amazing!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 11:09:50 PM
Amazing! "Trump's travel and immigration ban" wouldn't have kept out the 9/11 terrorists.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 11, 2018, 12:37:19 AM
Witch hunt!

Drink!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 11, 2018, 12:43:04 AM

Dude stole a JET from SeaTac, did barrel rolls and loops befor going down, possibly with F-15 assist...



https://www.thenewstribune.com/latest-news/article216505205.html (https://www.thenewstribune.com/latest-news/article216505205.html)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 01:40:21 AM
You'd think everyone in America would be cheering for Trump's travel and immigration bans...given what happened on 9/11 etc by terrorists.

But no.
Amazing!

No, we wouldn't.

We might have hoped that our population was clever enough to tell the difference between security theater and true security, but insufficient numbers of those who voted had a clue. You would have fit right in.

Don't you suppose, bambu, that the (ostensibly) pro-military party might have tried to come up with a proposal that would have been at least connected to 9/11? It's been SEVENTEEN YEARS, bambu! Seventeen years and this sham of an immigration screen is the best that the GOP could come up with?!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 01:41:25 AM

Dude stole a JET from SeaTac, did barrel rolls and loops befor going down, possibly with F-15 assist...



https://www.thenewstribune.com/latest-news/article216505205.html (https://www.thenewstribune.com/latest-news/article216505205.html)

Thank the heavens for Trump's immigration policies! Otherwise, who knows what damage that fellow could have done!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 01:42:05 AM
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/silicon-valley-engineers-fear-they-created-a-monster (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/08/silicon-valley-engineers-fear-they-created-a-monster)

The gig economy brings with it its own special problems.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 01:51:50 AM
Anti-intellectualism is alive and well in other places, not just in the US:
http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/it-s-unprecedented-staffers-drown-out-reporters-by-clapping-at-doug-ford-news-conference-1.4779157 (http://www.cbc.ca/radio/asithappens/it-s-unprecedented-staffers-drown-out-reporters-by-clapping-at-doug-ford-news-conference-1.4779157)

Troll Josh’s Internet search turns up international liberal fascism!
Dog bites man.

A fake accusation pretends to present a criticism that has nothing to do with the article, which the poster  hasn't actually managed to understand.

So, Red throws the words "liberal" and "fascism" together, despite the absence of anything having to do with liberals or liberalism.

It is fascism, however. It's the same sort of strategy that Trump is using to minimize the ability of the press to do its job.

Hey, Red, you should get your "Better Russian than Democrat" shirt. It sounds like it fits you perfectly more and more as the days go by. And calling me a troll just accelerates the process.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 01:59:15 AM
https://apnews.com/e87ad38befdc4a58b0778286404ee826 (https://apnews.com/e87ad38befdc4a58b0778286404ee826)

Another day, another way the Trump administration has tried to harm people.

The judge says that the EPA (under Trump administration guidance) broke the law by allowing poison to be used.

So surprising.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2018, 03:04:49 AM
"Witch hunt" and "liberal fascism" in consecutive posts, Red. Nice to see you using Donald Trump and Jonah F'ing Goldberg as intellectual lodestars.
no evidence to date suggests otherwise.

In the village that voted the earth is flat, the earth is flat, the earth is flat,
That’s how they voted, imagine that, voted to affirm that the earth is flat
Somehow they hadn’t gotten the news, spent all their time on bets and booze, now they’re on the evening news
For voting that the earth is flat.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 11, 2018, 03:18:01 AM
Quote
Hey, Red, you should get your "Better Russian than Democrat" shirt.
    Hey—just remember……Red made a point of saying that he did not personally support Trump during and after the election—you know, just in case the Orange Sphincter does take the final dive that everyone expects from him sooner or later, Red will be able to say “Who….me? No way….” Now Kid, on the other hand, is 100% with the Stupid Base—and proud of it!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bodiddley on August 11, 2018, 04:43:29 AM
My earliest political memory is a bumper sticker on a car in front of us.  It had a pic of Nixon and then on the right:
Don't Blame Me
I Didn't Vote for the SOB


Wish I could remember how my mother explained the term . . .
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2018, 05:04:56 AM
Turns out the Russians were spearfishing county and state offices tasked with running elections in Florida, Georgia, and Iowa and were successful in their penetration prior to the election at the beginning of November. That’s 51 electoral votes (29, 16, 6) that don’t really go in depraved dotard’s column without a hell of a lot more investigation and explanation and may need to be reassigned to Mrs. Clinton, depending on exactly what was done within the systems and subsequently by the personnel of those offices.

In Florida at least, the Russians are still there launching renewed attacks and taking new advantage of what they have compromised.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2018, 05:08:50 AM
My earliest political memory is a bumper sticker on a car in front of us.  It had a pic of Nixon and then on the right:
Don't Blame Me
I Didn't Vote for the SOB

Wish I could remember how my mother explained the term . . .

Nice. Trump has far surpassed Nixon on the SOB scale and in so much less time.

Then again, he has been rehearsing for it his whole life, holding a comb under his nose, standing in front of a mirror, reciting speeches from his favorite little book.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 11, 2018, 05:43:19 AM

Dude stole a JET from SeaTac, did barrel rolls and loops befor going down, possibly with F-15 assist...

https://www.thenewstribune.com/latest-news/article216505205.html (https://www.thenewstribune.com/latest-news/article216505205.html)

Looks like the 'airline industry' has dozed off again, 17 years after 9/11.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 11, 2018, 07:17:54 AM
No immigration crisis in the US? Immigration laws now in place have kept America relatively safe from the human tidal wave now sweeping European shores.

---There Is No Immigration Crisis
While it may benefit Democrats politically to take a harder line on immigration, that doesn’t mean it’s better policy—and political commentators should stop saying otherwise.---

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/democrats-immigration-not-a-crisis/563855/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/democrats-immigration-not-a-crisis/563855/)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 11, 2018, 09:44:53 AM
The real news from the last couple days is that Luee and Kid are now quoting The Atlantic.   One has to wonder if they get past the opening paragraph, though...


Quote
  By historical standards, this isn’t a “mass movement.” It’s the opposite. And illegal immigration is unlikely to return to the levels of the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s anytime soon for one simple, and under appreciated, reason: Mexican women are having fewer children. Since the early 2000s, the number of Mexicans being caught at the border has collapsed. Even a strengthening U.S. economy hasn’t lifted the numbers, because the young Mexican men who in past decades crossed the border today don’t exist in the same numbers. That’s because, since 1960, the Mexican birthrate has dropped from almost seven children per mother to just over two. Which means the pool of potential migrants is far smaller.
Migrants are still coming from violence-plagued Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. The children Trump separated from their parents are overwhelmingly Central American. But Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador don’t have large populations. Combined, they contain about one-quarter as many people as Mexico. Frum and Sullivan both link America’s immigration crisis to Europe’s. But in scale, the problems are quite different. Europe is near large countries with high fertility rates. (The fertility rate is close to three in the Middle East and North Africa and near five in sub-Saharan Africa). The United States is not....   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:24:39 AM
Hey, Red, you should get your "Better Russian than Democrat" shirt. It sounds like it fits you perfectly more and more as the days go by.

Did they make them that big? I mean, it has to be big enough to fit over his inflated ego.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 11:27:58 AM
Fox News loves a fun kind of dictator:

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/8/10/17675494/fox-news-friends-kim-jong-un-fish (https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/8/10/17675494/fox-news-friends-kim-jong-un-fish)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 11, 2018, 11:33:46 AM
Quote
Don't Blame Me…I Didn't Vote for the SOB
Yes….I remember those post-Nixon years very well. It was if nobody had voted for Nixon….or at least anybody who would admit to it. It was amazing....he went from a landslide victory to....crickets.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 11, 2018, 01:41:57 PM
Quote
Don't Blame Me…I Didn't Vote for the SOB
Yes….I remember those post-Nixon years very well. It was if nobody had voted for Nixon….or at least anybody who would admit to it. It was amazing....he went from a landslide victory to....crickets.

During the 1972 elections one of my teachers held a mock election... it was my first time I realized how out of step I was with my peers.

In a class of 31 teens Nixon won over McGovern 28-3. I knew then it would be “an uphill climb.”
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 11, 2018, 02:16:40 PM
More from the giggle inducing Petri dish.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/08/10/we-need-a-space-force-there-is-literally-nothing-more-pressing/?utm_term=.75020f249dd7 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/08/10/we-need-a-space-force-there-is-literally-nothing-more-pressing/?utm_term=.75020f249dd7)


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2018, 03:01:17 PM
More from the giggle inducing Petri dish.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/08/10/we-need-a-space-force-there-is-literally-nothing-more-pressing/?utm_term=.75020f249dd7 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/08/10/we-need-a-space-force-there-is-literally-nothing-more-pressing/?utm_term=.75020f249dd7)

Alexandra cleared up one mystery, why Red can’t hear facts. He must be heavily involved in the advanced planning of Space Force. It has him out where sound doesn’t travel.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 03:07:10 PM
More from the giggle inducing Petri dish.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/08/10/we-need-a-space-force-there-is-literally-nothing-more-pressing/?utm_term=.75020f249dd7 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2018/08/10/we-need-a-space-force-there-is-literally-nothing-more-pressing/?utm_term=.75020f249dd7)

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38887170_10157704794675968_128802040527716352_n.png?_nc_cat=1&oh=28d242bc63235223a323292d4f4200b4&oe=5BCB394A)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 11, 2018, 03:14:05 PM
You can't put a price tag on preventing alien invasions.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 04:27:45 PM
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ice-withheld-deported-parents-numbers-from-lawyers-and-advocates-aclu-says_us_5b6cd9c7e4b0ae32af96b27d (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ice-withheld-deported-parents-numbers-from-lawyers-and-advocates-aclu-says_us_5b6cd9c7e4b0ae32af96b27d)

The criminal Trump administration continues to exhibit its immoral approach to the needs of humans.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 04:34:23 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/opinions/finally-nunes-admits-what-charade-is-all-about-zelizer/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/09/opinions/finally-nunes-admits-what-charade-is-all-about-zelizer/index.html)

Rep. Nunes has failed the lesson of "there is always a microphone on," and confessed that he is not trying to serve the American public, just Trump.

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Speaking to the donors, Nunes said: "if Sessions won't unrecuse and Mueller won't clear the President, we're the only ones. Which is really the danger ... I mean we have to keep all those seats. We have to keep the majority. If we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away." Nunes' words made clear that the House's investigation has been a charade designed to protect Trump rather than to reveal the truth.
...
Nunes' comments appear to be an abdication of the constitutional role of Congress, to act as an independent branch of government that conducts oversight and serves as a check and balance. The comments, as well as the stance of a majority of Republicans, stand in stark contrast to the way that North Carolina's Sen. Sam Ervin pursued his congressional investigation during the Watergate scandal.
Nunes and other Republicans have been crucial to helping the President in other ways as well. They have stood by quietly in light of ongoing evidence of corruption and conflict of interest at the top of several executive departments. The contrast with the number of investigations that the Republicans conducted into the Clinton administration, for allegations much more minor than the ones Trump has faced, is revealing.

Corrupt conduct in the face of corrupt conduct.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 04:49:43 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/09/california-police-white-supremacists-counter-protest)

Corrupt, racist police exist at all levels.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 04:53:43 PM
https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/15/16144070/psychology-alt-right-unite-the-right (https://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/8/15/16144070/psychology-alt-right-unite-the-right)

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A lot of the findings align with what we intuit about the alt-right: This group is supportive of social hierarchies that favor whites at the top. It’s distrustful of mainstream media and strongly opposed to Black Lives Matter. Respondents were highly supportive of statements like, “There are good reasons to have organizations that look out for the interests of white people.” And when they look at other groups — like black Americans, Muslims, feminists, and journalists — they’re willing to admit they see these people as “less evolved.”

But it’s the degree to which the alt-righters differed from the comparison sample that’s most striking — especially when it came to measures of dehumanization, support for collective white action, and admitting to harassing others online.

They see "other groups — like black Americans, Muslims, feminists" as "less evolved.

Are those your peeps, Kiid?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 11, 2018, 04:56:26 PM
The best thing to do in the face of such bald corruption by slimy Devin Nunes is giving dollars to the campaign of Andrew Janz who has two months to close the deal with the district’s voters.

http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/opinion/2018/08/09/devin-nunes-and-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-summer/947514002/ (http://www.visaliatimesdelta.com/story/opinion/2018/08/09/devin-nunes-and-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-summer/947514002/)

It’s single digits, but there’s a lot about Nunes that lends itself to tearing him down. It’s worth spending the time and money to activate enough sensible people to drum him out in November.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 06:00:10 PM
There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about adoption issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 11, 2018, 07:26:29 PM
Best idea is not to give mechanics the keys to planes...that way they won't be able to fly them away.

Wouldn't surprise me if every terrorist in town will be training now as a mechanic and flying planes from the ground at airports.
...or posing as pilots, etc.

No hijacking needed...just climb aboard and fly away, into buildings or any other desired targets.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 11, 2018, 07:30:06 PM
Amazing! "Trump's travel and immigration ban" wouldn't have kept out the 9/11 terrorists.

True.
But it sure makes terror attacks in America less likely.
Pity the 'Boston bombers' hadn't been prevented from entering [and booted out as soon as Russia warned the US about them.]
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 11, 2018, 07:38:55 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/08/australias-refugee-deal-a-farce-after-us-rejects-all-iranian-and-somali-asylum-seekers (https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/may/08/australias-refugee-deal-a-farce-after-us-rejects-all-iranian-and-somali-asylum-seekers)

May 2018

Donald Trump’s Muslim travel ban is influencing Australia’s offshore processing system – with all Iranian and Somali refugees rejected for resettlement in the US.
The third version of Donald Trump’s travel ban bars or limits entry to citizens of five Muslim-majority countries – Iran, Libya, Somalia, Syria and Yemen – as well as North Korea.

About 150 refugees held in offshore processing on the island of Nauru have appointments with US officials this week, where they will discover final assessments of whether they have been accepted by America. So far, every Iranian and Somali applicant has been rejected.


#####

Many callers to my no 1 radio station, and some of the hosts, say that they would never have agreed to the deal if they'd been US President.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 08:15:18 PM
Amazing! "Trump's travel and immigration ban" wouldn't have kept out the 9/11 terrorists.

True.
But it sure makes terror attacks in America less likely.
Pity the 'Boston bombers' hadn't been prevented from entering [and booted out as soon as Russia warned the US about them.]

Wouldn't have stopped them, either.

Keep going.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 11, 2018, 08:26:26 PM
There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.
Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 08:37:03 PM
Speaking of lying Republicans...

https://www.flanewsonline.com/howard-faked-her-diploma/amp/ (https://www.flanewsonline.com/howard-faked-her-diploma/amp/)

Fake education record. Then fake diploma.

Sad.

But predictable fir the party of no ethics.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 11, 2018, 08:42:06 PM
There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.
Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.

Don’t be fooled by word games,” Victoria Nourse, a professor at Georgetown Law, told us via email. “There is no legal term ‘collusion.’ The legal term for collusion is the crime of conspiracy. If you agree to kill someone and take a step toward that (hired the killer, or encouraged the killer, met with the killer) you are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

“So, if you agree to defraud the U.S. or disrupt the elections (even if it’s not with the Russians) and you take a step forward (any step….meetings, payments etc.), that’s conspiracy,” Nourse said.

Stephen Schulhofer, a law professor at New York University, said the act of collusion can be either benign or criminal, depending on the circumstance.

“One of the most commonly used provisions of the U.S. Code, 18 USC §371, makes it a federal crime for two or more people to conspire ‘to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose,'” Schulhofer told us via email. “Agreeing (colluding) with someone for a perfectly lawful purpose, like arranging a game of golf or tennis, is not a crime. But colluding with the Russians, i.e. agreeing to cooperate, encourage or assist them in any way in pursuing anything they were doing that was illegal, is most certainly a crime.”


From USA today.

Since POTUS knew about the meeting...well, you know

RedstateWRONG.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 11, 2018, 09:54:17 PM
There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about adoption issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.
Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.

What conclusion did I reach? That each defense has lasted until...? That one is operative. You offered nothing to counter them.

Lying to federal investigators is illegal.

There is no requirement for a crime for the president to be impeached, Red. It's a political process and if the House decided to impeach, they could impeach. While I might prefer that a crime be required, that's not how the process works. Congress can make up its own mind and there is no fall back.

And of course the president can be subpoenaed! There doesn't need to have been a crime, merely an accusation of a crime - and the House and Senate investigations don't even need that.

But there are crimes, Red, despite your inability to admit it. Further, your insistence that what I listed doesn't point to a crime is exactly wrong. This sort of attempt at deception suggests that there was a crime, or as you would put it, "points to a crime." Meeting with the Russians with the intention of getting information to impact the election is a crime.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 11, 2018, 10:24:44 PM

Outside of some other possibilities, this is why Trump won’t release his tax returns.
The fiasco of democrats jousting with the Emlouments Windmill would certainly be a 24/7 futile exercise if Trump’s tax returns were available.

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The hyped benefits are, so far, all hype.  Republicans sold the cut as primarily a booster for middle class wages. Wages this year haven’t kept up with inflation, so real wages have gone down in 2018, especially for people below the top 25%. 
Wrong. Real wages have gone UP for everyone along with the GDP while unemployment has gone DOWN. Any rise in inflation does not change that.  But I notice your faulty logic begs the question “ “ what if there were no tax cuts while inflation went up”?

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The same people Paul Ryan & Co. promised big raises to (remember that $4,000/year number?) haven’t seen squat while stock buybacks set records.  People who don’t pay attention to the daily back and forth of politics notice when they look at their paychecks once or twice a month and see that they have been lied to.
LOL. More people now have paychecks to look at thanks to the tax cuts
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Democrats have done a good job articulating the trade-offs, and (accurately) describing Republican priorities.  I think it was Connor Lamb who had the ad that highlighted how quickly Ryan pivoted from passing the $1.5 Trillion tax cut to proposing cuts in social spending.
the increase in Social Spending was the democrats’ price tag for the tax cuts.
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Republicans spent 8 years hyping the dangers of a deficit, and while they are strangely silent on that now, people remember.  And no one who isn’t a deeply indoctrinated right winger believes the bullshit that tax cuts pay for themselves anymore.
Hypocrisy, squared. Hillary ran on eliminating energy jobs and higher taxes.  Trump ran on lowering taxes and preserving energy jobs.

Sorry for quoting the entirety of an entirely useless response, but I can’t cut out the bit where REDSTATEWARD says a rise in inflation doesn’t change real wages so that I can point out that real wages by definition adjust for inflation.

When a “raise” doesn’t result in an increase in buying power it’s not really a raise. And when you are in over your head in a discussion REDSTATEWARD, best sit there quietly and learn something.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 11, 2018, 10:54:36 PM
The real news from the last couple days is that Luee and Kid are now quoting The Atlantic.   One has to wonder if they get past the opening paragraph, though...


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  By historical standards, this isn’t a “mass movement.” It’s the opposite. And illegal immigration is unlikely to return to the levels of the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s anytime soon for one simple, and under appreciated, reason: Mexican women are having fewer children. Since the early 2000s, the number of Mexicans being caught at the border has collapsed. Even a strengthening U.S. economy hasn’t lifted the numbers, because the young Mexican men who in past decades crossed the border today don’t exist in the same numbers. That’s because, since 1960, the Mexican birthrate has dropped from almost seven children per mother to just over two. Which means the pool of potential migrants is far smaller.
Migrants are still coming from violence-plagued Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. The children Trump separated from their parents are overwhelmingly Central American. But Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador don’t have large populations. Combined, they contain about one-quarter as many people as Mexico. Frum and Sullivan both link America’s immigration crisis to Europe’s. But in scale, the problems are quite different. Europe is near large countries with high fertility rates. (The fertility rate is close to three in the Middle East and North Africa and near five in sub-Saharan Africa). The United States is not....   

The US is in a lot better and more secure situation because the immigration laws are being enforced. Which of the Latin American countries persecutes because of religious or political beliefs? In Muslim countries it is just a matter of which group is more violent and xenophobic. Love thy neighbor and separation of church and state is not part of their belief matrix.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 11, 2018, 10:57:41 PM
There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.

Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary. Collusion is legal.


Each defense has lasted until facts emerged to render it inoperative.
Your conclusion is the inoperative.
Nothing on your list points to a crime.
Without a crime no one, let alone POTUS, can be subpoenaed.
Without a crime Impeachment won’t happen.

Fool...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 11, 2018, 11:04:57 PM
Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter (https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 11, 2018, 11:51:43 PM

Outside of some other possibilities, this is why Trump won’t release his tax returns.
The fiasco of democrats jousting with the Emlouments Windmill would certainly be a 24/7 futile exercise if Trump’s tax returns were available.

Quote
The hyped benefits are, so far, all hype.  Republicans sold the cut as primarily a booster for middle class wages. Wages this year haven’t kept up with inflation, so real wages have gone down in 2018, especially for people below the top 25%. 
Wrong. Real wages have gone UP for everyone along with the GDP while unemployment has gone DOWN. Any rise in inflation does not change that.  But I notice your faulty logic begs the question “ “ what if there were no tax cuts while inflation went up”?

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The same people Paul Ryan & Co. promised big raises to (remember that $4,000/year number?) haven’t seen squat while stock buybacks set records.  People who don’t pay attention to the daily back and forth of politics notice when they look at their paychecks once or twice a month and see that they have been lied to.
LOL. More people now have paychecks to look at thanks to the tax cuts
Quote

Democrats have done a good job articulating the trade-offs, and (accurately) describing Republican priorities.  I think it was Connor Lamb who had the ad that highlighted how quickly Ryan pivoted from passing the $1.5 Trillion tax cut to proposing cuts in social spending.
the increase in Social Spending was the democrats’ price tag for the tax cuts.
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Republicans spent 8 years hyping the dangers of a deficit, and while they are strangely silent on that now, people remember.  And no one who isn’t a deeply indoctrinated right winger believes the bullshit that tax cuts pay for themselves anymore.
Hypocrisy, squared. Hillary ran on eliminating energy jobs and higher taxes.  Trump ran on lowering taxes and preserving energy jobs.

Sorry for quoting the entirety of an entirely useless response, but I can’t cut out the bit where REDSTATEWARD says a rise in inflation doesn’t change real wages so that I can point out that real wages by definition adjust for inflation.

When a “raise” doesn’t result in an increase in buying power it’s not really a raise. And when you are in over your head in a discussion REDSTATEWARD, best sit there quietly and learn something.
you seem to overlook the obvious that going from no job TO a job means a big raise, while you duck the also-obvious that even though a growing economy often stirs up inflation the wage increases and lower taxes boosted consumer spending the largest sector affecting GDP.
You also are oblivious to the news that despite a tax cut for individuals the CBO says tax revenues for the first 10 months of 2018 are HIGHER than last year by 8 per cent or 104 Billion dollars.
The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.
But the bottom line is even with a tax cut for individuals withholding from paychecks increased by $32 billion, which “largely reflects increases in wages and salaries.”(CBO).
It probably shocks you that a faster-growing economy employs more people who make more money.
Which is exactly what has happened.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 12:03:56 AM
There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.


Not sure anyone ever said this

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Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Yeah.

Quote
Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about abortion issues.

May have been discussed
Quote
Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Yeah

Quote

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Promised?

Quote

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary.

Which may be why it is done all the time

Quote
Each defense has lasted.

No real need for any defense
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 12:06:47 AM
Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter (https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter)

Black Likes Matter voters?  Is that a thing, Cable Guy?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 12:10:18 AM
Best idea is not to give mechanics the keys to planes...that way they won't be able to fly them away.

Wouldn't surprise me if every terrorist in town will be training now as a mechanic and flying planes from the ground at airports.
...or posing as pilots, etc.

No hijacking needed...just climb aboard and fly away, into buildings or any other desired targets.

Anyone able to get into the area the plane was taken from has to pass a slew of background checks

Your worry at this time is quite misplaced.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 12:23:06 AM
The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.

No, that is not the sole reason why the deficit went up.

Maybe half comes from that. A third comes from payment on the national debt. Most of the rest of that is from the military - which means, in truth, that closer to 40% comes from the military, at least, because of how much of the national debt comes from the fraudulent war on Iraq and its lingering effects.

And the tax bill is also a factor, if a less visible one. Corporate tax revenue is down ~25%.

And while you are boasting about the increase in tax revenues, it's maybe ~1.3%. The deficit is up more than 3%.

Close examination of the budget suggests the tax cuts slowed the revenue increase, not strengthened it or caused it. Got to remember, growth in the economy was predicted well before the 2016 election!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 12:26:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOkFXPblLpU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOkFXPblLpU)

All those folks angry at the so-called elites and how the South wasn't fighting about slavery have been had...

by a group of Southern elites.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 12:40:13 AM
There were no contacts between the campaign and foreign governments.

Oh, wait... There were no contacts with Russians.


Not sure anyone ever said this

You're probably the only one.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trumps-team-issued-at-least-20-denials-of-contacts-with-russia-20170303-guprc6.html (https://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-trumps-team-issued-at-least-20-denials-of-contacts-with-russia-20170303-guprc6.html)

Paul Manafort made that claim: "No, there are not. And you know, there's no basis to it."

Hope Hicks made that claim: "It never happened. There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign."

Trump, himself, avoided the flat declaration, simply uttering misleading crap, like if they (the Trump campaign) made these claims about the Democrats and the Russians/CIA, they'd be accused of conspiracy theories. He carefully avoided denying specifics.

Separately, there is Trump's position on his own connections to the Russians: "I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIA - NO DEALS, NO LOANS, NO NOTHING!"

This stands in stark contrast to what Eric and Donald, Jr. have had to say.
"We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia," said Junior.
"We don't rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia," said Eric on the funding of golf courses.

Lies, lies, lies.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 01:01:49 AM
Oh, wait... There were contacts with Russians but they weren’t improper.

Yeah.


The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 bans foreign nationals "from making expenditures to expressly advocate the election or defeat of a political candidate." If a US citizen assists in their doing that or participates with them in doing that, then both the foreign government and the citizen have likely broken the law.

It might also constitute fraud. It is a federal crime to conspire (collude!) with anyone, including a foreign government, to "deprive another of the intangible right of honest services." Interfering in the election might well fit that.

The RICO act is another area of possible violation.

No go here, Kiid.

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Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about adoption issues.

May have been discussed


Irrelevant and there is no evidence to support that it did happen.

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Trump Jr.: “We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children.”

Quote
Oh, wait... The Trump Tower meeting was about routine “opposition research.”

Yeah

Nothing routine about it.

Quote

Oh, wait... The Russians never produced the material they’d promised, so it doesn't matter.

Promised?

That was why they were meeting, after all. (not adoption.)

Quote

Oh, wait... There’s nothing improper about accepting opposition research from a foreign adversary.

Which may be why it is done all the time

Except that it isn't done all the time.

Have any instances not involving Trump in which a campaign has met with a foreign government's representative to receive dirt on their opponent in a presidential race?

Even one? (That still wouldn't prove it happens all the time, but I would be surprised by the one.)

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Each defense has lasted.

No real need for any defense

In which case, Kiid, why did Trump and his peeps go to such trouble to hide what they did and to lie about it?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 12, 2018, 01:15:50 AM
Red sounds far dumber defending terrorist economic policies than he does the administration’s treasonous path to power.

The upside is we can move two or three asylum seeking families into his place when he flees to Russia. It will be a good start toward breathing patriotism back into this country.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 01:46:00 AM
The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.
The CBO said it.

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Maybe half comes from that.
Maybe?  Is that accounting by you?
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A third comes from payment on the national debt.

Did you send a  thank you note to Obama’s for raising the National Debt.?
Or were you asleep during his two terms?
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  Most of the rest of that is from the military - which means, in truth, that closer to 40% comes from the military, at least, because of how much of the national debt comes from the fraudulent war on Iraq and its lingering effects.
Another thank you note is due Obama then for gutting our military. I guess you were also sleeping when Congress, on a bi-partisan vote, increased military spending.

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And the tax bill is also a factor, if a less visible one. Corporate tax revenue is down ~25%.
Even more amazing that tax revenues( per the CBO) are up 8 per cent. Thanks for underscoring that fact.

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And while you are boasting about the increase in tax revenues, it's maybe ~1.3%. The deficit is up more than 3%.
No, tax revenue is up 8 per cent.

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Close examination of the budget suggests the tax cuts slowed the revenue increase, not strengthened it or caused it. Got to remember, growth in the economy was predicted well before the 2016 election!
Uh, try to get a grip. The democrats kept predicting growth in the economy since at least 2010.
And they steadily lost power in Congress AND in the States. With the GOP effort to cut taxes and rollback Obama’s anti-growth policies we now have a forecast of 3 per cent growth AND increased government revenue.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:12:35 AM
The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.
The CBO said it.

No, Red, that's not what they said.

Why the fuck do you insist on lying about crap like this, Red, when it is so easy to see what they really said?! And your follow-up responses, rather than just admitting I am right, gloss over it.

SMH

Quote

Outlays in the first 10 months of fiscal year 2018 were $3,448 billion—up by $143 billion (or 4 percent) from the same period last year, CBO estimates.
In total, spending for the three largest mandatory programs increased by 4 percent ($59 billion)
     Outlays for Social Security benefits rose by $34 billion (or 4 percent)
     Medicare spending increased by $15 billion (or 3 percent) b
     Medicaid outlays rose by $10 billion
Outlays for net interest on the public debt increased by $48 billion (or 19 percent), partly because of a higher rate of inflation.
Spending for military programs of the Department of Defense rose by $28 billion (or 6 percent)

I said the "entitlements" were ~half of the increase. They were actually 44%. Oh, the horror. I described the public debt interest as about a third. 35.8% was the actual figure. I can live with that. I suggested that the military increase was another 1/6th. At only 5.9%, they were way less than my estimate.

You're pretty funny about Obama's increase to the debt followed by your comment about the military and the bipartisan vote.

Don't you ever actually think while you type your bullshit, Red?

Those budgets of Obama's? Guess who voted on them? Oh, right - those same "bi-partisan" congressmen and congresswomen, led by YOUR GOP. And now, these big increases have been voted in by... your GOP and YOUR President.

But you, with your Obama Derangement Syndrome keep trying to pin things on him while applauding the Fraud-in-Chief.

Go ahead and keep on lying to yourself and us. We'll keep pointing out the flaws in your ongoing manure-spreading.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 02:57:07 AM
The deficit went up because of increases in entitlement spending.

Repeating the Republican Party line doesn't make it any more true when you say it than when McConnell or Ryan says it.
The CBO said it.

No, Red, that's not what they said.

Why the fuck do you insist on lying about crap like this, Red, when it is so easy to see what they really said?! And your follow-up responses, rather than just admitting I am right, gloss over it.

SMH

Quote

Outlays in the first 10 months of fiscal year 2018 were $3,448 billion—up by $143 billion (or 4 percent) from the same period last year, CBO estimates.
In total, spending for the three largest mandatory programs increased by 4 percent ($59 billion)
     Outlays for Social Security benefits rose by $34 billion (or 4 percent)
     Medicare spending increased by $15 billion (or 3 percent) b
     Medicaid outlays rose by $10 billion
Outlays for net interest on the public debt increased by $48 billion (or 19 percent), partly because of a higher rate of inflation.
Spending for military programs of the Department of Defense rose by $28 billion (or 6 percent)

I said the "entitlements" were ~half of the increase. They were actually 44%. Oh, the horror. I described the public debt interest as about a third. 35.8% was the actual figure. I can live with that. I suggested that the military increase was another 1/6th. At only 5.9%, they were way less than my estimate.

The deficit grew by $116 Billion, Spending by $143 Billion, (thank you Medicare and Social Security.)
Tax Revenues, in the wake of tax Cuts! Grew 8 per cent to the HIGHEST level EVER
How do explain CUTTING taxes and Increasing revenues to the Federal Government. ?

Can you imagine where we would be without the 8 year wasteland of Obama and his anti-growth nonsense (see Larry Summers  and any article written by Paul Krugman).

How do you explain GDP growth Obama never achieved, record low unemployment, and increased tax collection# after we CUT taxes.

For all your protestations and insults you can’t.



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 12, 2018, 04:52:06 AM
Without 8 years of Obama, we’d be hip deep in republican global depression v2, in or on our way to WWIII.

Try using your head for something besides holding up your mullet.


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 12, 2018, 08:52:38 AM
Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter (https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter)

Black Likes Matter voters?  Is that a thing, Cable Guy?

It sure is!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 12, 2018, 09:13:25 AM
The deficit grew by $116 Billion, Spending by $143 Billion, (thank you Medicare and Social Security.)
Tax Revenues, in the wake of tax Cuts! Grew 8 per cent to the HIGHEST level EVER
How do explain CUTTING taxes and Increasing revenues to the Federal Government. ?

Can you imagine where we would be without the 8 year wasteland of Obama and his anti-growth nonsense (see Larry Summers  and any article written by Paul Krugman).

How do you explain GDP growth Obama never achieved, record low unemployment, and increased tax collection# after we CUT taxes.

For all your protestations and insults you can’t.

A few facts here:  of course tax revenues went up. They always do in a growing economy ie. when we aren’t in a recession. Even when taxes are cut. Revenues would be much higher without tax cuts, and would go further to cover the natural increase in government spending that also comes with a growing economy and population. Hence, why that same CBO is projecting large increases in the deficit.

It was pointed out to you weeks ago that revenues from corporate taxes were down. To that your response was, essentially, “no duh .”  But now you change your argument because you think it trolls the libs, or you read a factoid in the WSJ...you can’t argue with any consistency because you simply don’t have any idea what you are talking about. Just like yesterday you demonstrated you don’t know what real wages are.

It has been pointed out to you repeatedly that the Obama economy did achieve GDP growth that was as high or higher than recent quarters. Almost twenty quarters with. Yet you ignore that fact and continue with your talking points unfazed. Do you think you are convincing anyone?

Job growth was higher the last 18 months of Obama’s administration than the first 18 months of Trumps. “Record low unemployment “ (it isn’t, but moving on) is a continuation of the trends Obama left his replacement. Not a change in those trends.

And I’ll leave you with this after you exposed your ignorance yesterday:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/1028011131049332736 (https://mobile.twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/1028011131049332736)

Of course nothing in the above is actually stunning. It’s by design, while Republicans were lying telling everyone how high their salary was going to go, like that was the point of the tax cuts. A party of conmen.

We’ll see how that works out for them in November.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 12, 2018, 10:10:42 AM
Probably the most important event of the week:

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter (https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2018-08-10/st-louis-da-win-latest-victory-for-black-lives-matter)

Black Likes Matter voters?  Is that a thing, Cable Guy?

It sure is!

Using the Constitutional rights one is given at birth is the most effective means for creating the change you want to see.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 11:30:33 AM
The deficit grew by $116 Billion, Spending by $143 Billion, (thank you Medicare and Social Security.)
Tax Revenues, in the wake of tax Cuts! Grew 8 per cent to the HIGHEST level EVER
How do explain CUTTING taxes and Increasing revenues to the Federal Government. ?

Can you imagine where we would be without the 8 year wasteland of Obama and his anti-growth nonsense (see Larry Summers  and any article written by Paul Krugman).

How do you explain GDP growth Obama never achieved, record low unemployment, and increased tax collection# after we CUT taxes.

For all your protestations and insults you can’t.

A few facts here:  of course tax revenues went up. They always do in a growing economy
Glory be!
Quote

It was pointed out to you weeks ago that revenues from corporate taxes were down. To that your response was, essentially, “no duh .”  But now you change your argument because you think it trolls the libs, or you read a factoid in the WSJ...you can’t argue with any consistency because you simply don’t have any idea what you are talking about.
I never mentioned Corporate Tax Rates. I only mentioned that tax revenues, in toto, are up over last year before the cuts. But thank you for brining it up and underscoring the obvious.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 11:57:22 AM
All these years that Red has  here "teaching" has clearly prevented him from taking 30 seconds to learn simple formatting.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 12, 2018, 12:51:57 PM
All these years that Red has  here "teaching" has clearly prevented him from taking 30 seconds to learn simple formatting.

Formatting is for liberal snowflake witch hunters!

 Excuse me while I get back to my text massages!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 12, 2018, 01:09:53 PM
Take a sip of covfefe and chuckle as you recall that GOP is the self-anointed party of fiscal conservativism and deficit reduction.   Nothing from Redward on what happened to that pillar.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 01:15:42 PM
Sad -

https://twitter.com/HuntsmanAbby/status/1028671723636436993 (https://twitter.com/HuntsmanAbby/status/1028671723636436993)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 01:24:15 PM
 She's an admirable person, but I don't call a millionaire leaving one network for anothe "sad".
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 12, 2018, 01:32:31 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/11/opinion/sunday/brian-kemp-enemy-of-democracy.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/11/opinion/sunday/brian-kemp-enemy-of-democracy.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region)


Quote
Using this method, Mr. Kemp blocked nearly 35,000 people from the voter rolls. Equally important, African-Americans, who made up a third of the registrants, accounted for almost 66 percent of the rejected applicants. And Asian-Americans and Latino voters were more than six times as likely as whites to have been stymied from registering.

But as diligent as he has been about purging eligible citizens from the voter rolls, Mr. Kemp has been just as lax about the cybersecurity of the state’s 27,000 electronic voting machines. Although there were a series of warnings about the ease with which they could be hacked, Mr. Kemp did not respond. Georgia’s electronic voting machines, which run on Windows 2000, leave no paper trail; as a result, there is no way to verify whether the counts are accurate or whether the vote has been hacked.

But the Department of Homeland Security warned him that hacking was a possibility. He ignored that until 2016, when, at a DefCon hacker convention in Las Vegas, an organization took control over the way Georgia’s voting machines register and store votes, although it had little expertise in voting matters. Mr. Kemp finally accepted federal dollars, which he had refused for years, to update some of the machines. But his efforts were too little, too late.

That complacency was evident when groups sued the state, alleging that the 2016 presidential election and a 2017 special election had been hacked. Rather than being on high alert to get to the bottom of it, after Mr. Kemp received notification of the lawsuit, officials at Kennesaw State University, which provides logistical support for the state’s election machinery, “destroyed the server that housed statewide election data.” That series of events, including an April visit to the small campus by Ambassador Sergey Kislyak of Russia, raised warning flags to many observers. But not to Mr. Kemp, who said that there was nothing untoward in any of it; the erasure was “in accordance with standard IT procedures.”     
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
All these years that Red has  here "teaching" has clearly prevented him from taking 30 seconds to learn simple formatting.
Without my formatting errors we would never hear from you.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 12, 2018, 02:10:03 PM
Sad -

https://twitter.com/HuntsmanAbby/status/1028671723636436993 (https://twitter.com/HuntsmanAbby/status/1028671723636436993)

Sad?

She’s moving up in the world going to a much wider audience.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 02:16:45 PM
Candice Broce, the press secretary for the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office, told Rewire in an email that, “Inactive status does not prevent a voter from voting, and it does not make it more difficult to vote. No one is being removed from the rolls as part of the NCOA process. Contrary to the ACLU’s characterization of this process, it is no ‘purge.’”



https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/ (https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 12, 2018, 02:41:25 PM
Candice Broce, the press secretary for the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office, told Rewire in an email that, “Inactive status does not prevent a voter from voting, and it does not make it more difficult to vote. No one is being removed from the rolls as part of the NCOA process. Contrary to the ACLU’s characterization of this process, it is no ‘purge.’”



https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/ (https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/)


Uh, that law suit was settled in February right before Kemp was gonna lose in court.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:42:25 PM
Candice Broce, the press secretary for the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office, told Rewire in an email that, “Inactive status does not prevent a voter from voting, and it does not make it more difficult to vote. No one is being removed from the rolls as part of the NCOA process. Contrary to the ACLU’s characterization of this process, it is no ‘purge.’”



https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/ (https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/)


Uh, that law suit was settled in February right before Kemp was gonna lose in court.

Don't confuse Kiid with the facts.

Among the facts he wants to ignore is the notion of "chilling effect."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:43:31 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/07/trump-climate-change-threat-caribbean-islands-warning?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Buffer (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/07/trump-climate-change-threat-caribbean-islands-warning?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Buffer)

Climate change is a real problem that needs to be taken seriously, and it is. Everywhere in the world but the White House.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:55:10 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/donald-trump-robert-mueller-interview-rudy-giuliani/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/08/politics/donald-trump-robert-mueller-interview-rudy-giuliani/index.html)

Giuliani continues to say the most profound things:
"there is an area where we could agree, if they agree."
Title: Courts do not determine scientific facts
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 02:59:21 PM
https://thelogicofscience.com/2018/08/11/courts-dont-determine-scientific-facts/ (https://thelogicofscience.com/2018/08/11/courts-dont-determine-scientific-facts/)

This is presented as a non-partisan discussion of the limitations of courts, following the recent Monsanto decision.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 03:56:35 PM
All these years that Red has  here "teaching" has clearly prevented him from taking 30 seconds to learn simple formatting.
Without my formatting errors we would never hear from you.
I'm here all the time. Generally I'm too busy laughing at you to type much.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 12, 2018, 05:34:54 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/07/trump-climate-change-threat-caribbean-islands-warning?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Buffer (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/07/trump-climate-change-threat-caribbean-islands-warning?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Buffer)

Climate change is a real problem that needs to be taken seriously, and it is. Everywhere in the world but the White House.

Nah.
Aussie PM Turnbull and his cohorts have fallen for the 'climate change/global warming'/"renewables are fantastic now" hoax.
They're about to get booted out of office by the People at the 2019 election...to be replaced by the Left/Far Left Labor Party who are even worse.
But, Turnbull and his cohorts must be punished [they won't listen to the People about massive immigration either].
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 12, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
The first metered taxi cab was introduced on this day...in 2007, in New York City.
Prior to this day the cabs were coloured red and green. After this day they were coloured yellow, for easier recognition.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 12, 2018, 05:42:07 PM
Amazing! "Trump's travel and immigration ban" wouldn't have kept out the 9/11 terrorists.

True.
But it sure makes terror attacks in America less likely.
Pity the 'Boston bombers' hadn't been prevented from entering [and booted out as soon as Russia warned the US about them.]

Wouldn't have stopped them, either.

Keep going.

Would've, if the place they came from had been on Trump's list and his policy had been in place back then.
Many people think Trump's list is far too short.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 06:10:59 PM
Bambu's  "analysis" suggests the USA itself should be on "Trump's list."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 12, 2018, 06:30:33 PM
Bambu's  "analysis" suggests the USA itself should be on "Trump's list."

Nah.
But terrorists are everywhere these days, ...hating us, plotting to blow us up, plotting to hack off our heads, etc.
All shown to me on my tv last night;

https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night (https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night)

Trump's list should be much longer.
More Gitmos need to be built.
Christian West in not obligated to allow just anyone and everyone onto its soil.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 12, 2018, 06:41:57 PM
The first metered taxi cab was introduced on this day...in 2007, in New York City.
Prior to this day the cabs were coloured red and green. After this day they were coloured yellow, for easier recognition.

1907, only missed by a century.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 12, 2018, 06:49:11 PM
https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night (https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night)

Americans are so lucky...when the killer terrorists start shooting and hacking off heads [as in London], the Americans can whip out their guns and shoot back!
Me, I'm not allowed to carry guns, so I'm just a sitting duck for the nasty terrorists.
The nasty terrorists have swords with which to hack me up, guns off all types with which to mow me down in the street or in my home, and bombs to blow off some or all of my limbs.

Donald trump understands, about terrorists...hence his immigration and travel bans
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 12, 2018, 06:55:00 PM
The first metered taxi cab was introduced on this day...in 2007, in New York City.
Prior to this day the cabs were coloured red and green. After this day they were coloured yellow, for easier recognition.

1907, only missed by a century.

I did mean 1907.
My no 1 radio host told us early today.
Yes, if I meant 1907 then I should've typed 1907.


In 1907, following the collapse of the Electric Vehicle Company, horse-drawn cabs once again became a primary means of transport around New York City. In early 1907 Harry N. Allen, incensed after being charged five dollars ($131.32 in today's dollars) for a journey of 0.75 miles (1.21 km), decided "to start a [taxicab] service in New York and charge so-much per mile." Later that year he imported 65 gasoline-powered cars from France and began the New York Taxicab Company. The cabs were originally painted red and green, but Allen repainted them all yellow to be visible from a distance. By 1908 the company was running 700 taxicabs.[38]
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 12, 2018, 07:32:56 PM
Candice Broce, the press secretary for the Georgia Secretary of State’s Office, told Rewire in an email that, “Inactive status does not prevent a voter from voting, and it does not make it more difficult to vote. No one is being removed from the rolls as part of the NCOA process. Contrary to the ACLU’s characterization of this process, it is no ‘purge.’”



https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/ (https://rewire.news/article/2017/07/21/more-380000-georgia-voters-received-purge-notice/)


Uh, that law suit was settled in February right before Kemp was gonna lose in court.

Don't confuse Kiid with the facts.

Among the facts he wants to ignore is the notion of "chilling effect."

It's like that middle school kid who flicks his finger an inch away from your eyeball.   Hey,  he's not touching you.   What's the problem?   Why should that bother you?

Kemp made his intent pretty clear with the "exact match"  policy.   And at fundraisers.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 12, 2018, 07:36:05 PM
The first metered taxi cab was introduced on this day...in 2007, in New York City.
Prior to this day the cabs were coloured red and green. After this day they were coloured yellow, for easier recognition.

1907, only missed by a century.


Lady, to maitre d':  Please call me a taxi.

Maitre d':  You're a taxi!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night (https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night)

Americans are so lucky...when the killer terrorists start shooting and hacking off heads [as in London], the Americans can whip out their guns and shoot back!
Me, I'm not allowed to carry guns, so I'm just a sitting duck for the nasty terrorists.
The nasty terrorists have swords with which to hack me up, guns off all types with which to mow me down in the street or in my home, and bombs to blow off some or all of my limbs.

Donald trump understands, about terrorists...hence his immigration and travel bans
If you're actually that concerned about a terrorist hacking you up why not carry a gun? Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. You've got morality on your side and the law is an ass!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 08:42:57 PM
Take a sip of covfefe and chuckle as you recall that GOP is the self-anointed party of fiscal conservativism and deficit reduction.   Nothing from Redward on what happened to that pillar.
Self Annointed?
Since 2010 the GOP has gained about 1000 legislative seats across the country by winning  ELECTIONS !
In other words by winning the consent of the governed.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 09:01:40 PM
When the Democrats were spending like drunken sailors they were "socialist cocksuckers" according to our sage "teacher." Now when the Republicans are doing it, it's with the "consent of the governed." Scoreboard! Don't ever change, Red, you amoral stud. Your political hackery is first-rate.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 09:21:37 PM
When the Democrats were spending like drunken sailors they were "socialist cocksuckers" according to our sage "teacher." Now when the Republicans are doing it, it's with the "consent of the governed." Scoreboard! Don't ever change, Red, you amoral stud. Your political hackery is first-rate.
Nice distortion of facts. Especially your use of words never uttered by me
Also a nice avoidance of election results.
Behave as usual. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 09:23:14 PM
Hey Red? You are a liar. Scoreboard! The Republicans' concern with fiscal responsibility is no longer operative because they are WINNING ELECTIONS. "Facts". This is why I laugh at you.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 09:33:38 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/13/trump-budget-spending-increases/330337002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/13/trump-budget-spending-increases/330337002/)

Infrastructure

Defense

Opioid treatment

You're not OK with that stuff, YG?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 09:37:14 PM
Heh. Another "wise" man heard from.  So now you're fine with deficits needed to pay for all that? As long as it's not a black guy or woman with that agenda you're good, right Kid?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 09:41:29 PM
Hey Red? You are a liar. Scoreboard! The Republicans' concern with fiscal responsibility is no longer operative because they are WINNING ELECTIONS. "Facts". This is why I laugh at you.
Gee. the GOP has won control of the legislative process in all federal offices and a majority of the statesand you yell SCOREBOARD?
Ok.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 09:43:38 PM
Hey Red? You are a liar. Scoreboard! The Republicans' concern with fiscal responsibility is no longer operative because they are WINNING ELECTIONS. "Facts". This is why I laugh at you.
Gee. the GOP has won control of the legislative process in all federal offices and a majority of the statesand you yell SCOREBOARD?
Ok.
Thanks.
You're welcome. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 09:47:21 PM
How about veterans affairs?

How much do you want to chop on that, YG?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 12, 2018, 09:55:34 PM
 I don't want to "chop" any of Veteran's Affairs What makes you think I do? I'm not a member of a party whose whole basis of opposition AND running for office was "fiscal responsibility" "balanced budgets" and eliminating the deficit. In other words I'm not a fucking liar.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 12, 2018, 10:09:04 PM
Hey Red? You are a liar. Scoreboard! The Republicans' concern with fiscal responsibility is no longer operative because they are WINNING ELECTIONS. "Facts". This is why I laugh at you.
Gee. the GOP has won control of the legislative process in all federal offices and a majority of the statesand you yell SCOREBOARD?
Ok.
Thanks.

The GOP has lied about what policies they would enact and what the expected effect of those policies would be in every election since Ike. Republicans winning elections is disease currently being cured, an ailment that has led to every dark and shameful chapter in our last century of history.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 12, 2018, 10:16:14 PM
Hey Red? You are a liar. Scoreboard! The Republicans' concern with fiscal responsibility is no longer operative because they are WINNING ELECTIONS. "Facts". This is why I laugh at you.
Gee. the GOP has won control of the legislative process in all federal offices and a majority of the statesand you yell SCOREBOARD?
Ok.
Thanks.

The GOP has lied about what policies they would enact and what the expected effect of those policies would be in every election since Ike. Republicans winning elections is disease currently being cured, an ailment that has led to every dark and shameful chapter in our last century of history.

I sense you and YankGuy are bonding. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 12, 2018, 10:27:44 PM
https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night (https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night)

Americans are so lucky...when the killer terrorists start shooting and hacking off heads [as in London], the Americans can whip out their guns and shoot back!
Me, I'm not allowed to carry guns, so I'm just a sitting duck for the nasty terrorists.
The nasty terrorists have swords with which to hack me up, guns off all types with which to mow me down in the street or in my home, and bombs to blow off some or all of my limbs.

Donald trump understands, about terrorists...hence his immigration and travel bans

Travel bans? Like the old Chris Rock joke: “I ain’t afraid of no Al Qaida, I’m scared of Al Cracka!”


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-wildfire-suspect-posted-about-qanon-other-conspiracies_us_5b6dc69de4b0ae32af97e953 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-wildfire-suspect-posted-about-qanon-other-conspiracies_us_5b6dc69de4b0ae32af97e953)

On his Facebook page, Clark had posted dozens of videos spanning years delving into absurd conspiracies, including beliefs that Satanists run amok and control the world. He believed Pizzagate is real (it’s not, but it did lead to a seriously dangerous situation) and more recently that someone deep within the U.S. intelligence community is posting clues to troll boards, including 4chan and 8chan, about a coming political reckoning.

Clark is accused of starting the Holy Fire that has burned nearly 20,000 acres in Southern California and is only 5 percent contained.

The latter, referred to as QAnon, has suckered legions of conspiracy-minded parties to believe that President Donald Trump is secretly busting a massive pedophile ring. They also believe the president will be liberated from all suspicion in special counsel Robert Mueller’s FBI investigation into Russia’s possible influence on the 2016 presidential election.

As HuffPost reporter Andy Campbell has pointed out, the conspiracy has led to real-world consequences. In June, a man armed with an AR-15 drove an armored vehicle onto the bridge near the Hoover Dam in Nevada where he had a standoff with police before officers arrested him. While blocking traffic, he held up a sign that read “Release the OIG report,” which QAnon had recently been posting about.

Clark’s arrest earlier this week once again puts the spotlight on the possible real impact of conspiracies.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 12, 2018, 10:46:34 PM
Hey Red? You are a liar. Scoreboard! The Republicans' concern with fiscal responsibility is no longer operative because they are WINNING ELECTIONS. "Facts". This is why I laugh at you.
Gee. the GOP has won control of the legislative process in all federal offices and a majority of the statesand you yell SCOREBOARD?
Ok.
Thanks.

The GOP has lied about what policies they would enact and what the expected effect of those policies would be in every election since Ike. Republicans winning elections is disease currently being cured, an ailment that has led to every dark and shameful chapter in our last century of history.

I sense you and YankGuy are bonding.

It bigger than that. All across the country now, everyone sees you and everyone smells you coming up the street. It’s clear as day, the less we trust you with the better off we are.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 10:58:31 PM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/13/trump-budget-spending-increases/330337002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/02/13/trump-budget-spending-increases/330337002/)

Infrastructure

Defense

Opioid treatment

You're not OK with that stuff, YG?

I'm not okay with the infrastructure bill because it is a sham that fails to do what we need done by a wide margin.
February 2018:
Quote

"We will build gleaming new roads, bridges, highways, railways, and waterways all across our land," Trump said in announcing the plan. "And we will do it with American heart, and American hands, and American grit."

The program, he said, would produce "the biggest and boldest infrastructure investment in American history."

But a review of the plan by analysts at the Wharton School – Trump's alma mater – found that most of the incentives would fail to attract anything close to the $1.5 trillion goal.


March 2018: "President Donald Trump said his much-hyped infrastructure plan will likely have to wait until after this year's midterm elections."
May 2018: "President Trump's legislative framework for a sweeping overhaul of the nation's infrastructure appears all but dead in Congress."
July 2018: "Eighteen months into his administration, no credible proposal for anything near that scale has been made. To the extent that the Trump administration has a plan at all for public investment, it involves pumping up Pentagon spending, not investing in roads, bridges, transportation, better Internet access, or other pressing needs of the civilian economy."

It's a joke - and a bad one.

https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/ (https://www.infrastructurereportcard.org/the-impact/economic-impact/)
Quote
Even though the U.S. Congress and some states have recently made efforts to invest more in infrastructure, these efforts do not come close to the $2.0 trillion in needs.

That was 2017. The need is not shrinking and every day that the Administration and the GOP drag their feet, the problem gets worse and more expensive to fix.



I'm not okay with the "defense" because of waste, excess, corruption, and a dozen other reasons. Our military budget is so much larger than other countries' budgets that it is laughable, in a maniacal sort of way.

"Defense Secretary Jim Mattis warned the military they better spend (the extra money) wisely"

In his dreams.


...

Opioid treatment is even more of a laugh.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/19/17137852/trump-opioid-epidemic-plan-death-penalty (https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/3/19/17137852/trump-opioid-epidemic-plan-death-penalty)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 12, 2018, 11:03:34 PM
https://resources.hoover.org/dueling-populisms-signup/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=duelingpopulisms&utm_content=dllook (https://resources.hoover.org/dueling-populisms-signup/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=newsfeed&utm_campaign=duelingpopulisms&utm_content=dllook)

This is a free book from the Hoover Institution called Dueling Populisms.

The author is Victor Davis Hanson. I doubt my left-leaning friends will care for him much, but he has some interesting perspectives.

Red, on the days when he is alert, would probably find it probative and informative. Kiid has no chance in hell of understanding it. Bambu will think it's brilliant, then he will get to the end of the Table of Contents.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 12, 2018, 11:31:18 PM
Take a sip of covfefe and chuckle as you recall that GOP is the self-anointed party of fiscal conservativism and deficit reduction.   Nothing from Redward on what happened to that pillar.
Self Annointed?
Since 2010 the GOP has gained about 1000 legislative seats across the country by winning  ELECTIONS !
In other words by winning the consent of the governed.

So, still nothing from Red on what happened to the fiscal principles of the GOP.   

Say one thing.  Get elected.  Then do the opposite of what you said.  Uh-huh.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 12, 2018, 11:49:58 PM
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1418/eliminate-federal-debt-8-years/ (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/promise/1418/eliminate-federal-debt-8-years/)

EIGHT years
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 13, 2018, 12:11:13 AM
I know you're not too bright and anything more than 280 words is a challenge for you, but do you read what you link to?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 13, 2018, 12:11:53 AM
Someone didn't read their own link.   Teehee.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 12:12:20 AM
Nice turnout today

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/us/unite-the-right-charlottesville-anniversary/index.html)

Nice job by the PD.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 12:14:17 AM
............. do you read what you link to?

Sure, padre

What portion of the piece would you like to discuss?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 13, 2018, 12:59:03 AM
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/an-11-year-old-changed-election-results-on-a-replica-florida-state-website-in-under-10-minutes (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/an-11-year-old-changed-election-results-on-a-replica-florida-state-website-in-under-10-minutes)

Quote
An 11-year-old boy on Friday was able to hack into a replica of the Florida state election website and change voting results found there in under 10 minutes
...
an 11-year-old girl also managed to make changes to the same Florida replica website in about 15 minutes, tripling the number of votes found there.

Sell said more than 30 children hacked a variety of other similar state replica websites in under a half hour.

“These are very accurate replicas of all of the sites,” Sell told the PBS NewsHour on Sunday. “These things should not be easy enough for an 8-year-old kid to hack within 30 minutes, it’s negligent for us as a society.”
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 01:03:14 AM
Black Lives Matter voters... and candidates.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/10/this-is-one-of-my-first-steps-michael-browns-mother-plans-to-run-for-ferguson-city-council/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/10/this-is-one-of-my-first-steps-michael-browns-mother-plans-to-run-for-ferguson-city-council/)

McSpadden said that if elected, she would focus on three things: community policing, economic inequality and access to health care.

“I know a lot of people may ask what makes me qualified,” she said. “But I’ll tell you if a mother had to watch her son lay in the street for four and a half hours and watch a community be completely disrespected by elected officials that we elected, what would you do? You would stand up and fight, too.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/07/25/lucy-mcbath-moved-to-run-for-congress-by-sons-fatal-shooting-she-just-won-her-primary/
 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/07/25/lucy-mcbath-moved-to-run-for-congress-by-sons-fatal-shooting-she-just-won-her-primary/)

After her son’s death, McBath, a longtime Delta flight attendant, quit her job and shifted her focus to advocating for gun control, serving as a national spokeswoman for Everytown for Gun Safety and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.


But, it was only last year that McBath decided to run for public office.

“I was afraid,” she told Elle in June. “I kept saying, I don’t know how to be a politician. I don’t know how to be a lawmaker. I’ve never done that before.”

On Tuesday night, McBath won a tight runoff election against businessman Kevin Abel to secure the Democratic nomination in Georgia’s 6th Congressional District.


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 13, 2018, 01:07:59 AM
............. do you read what you link to?

Sure, padre

What portion of the piece would you like to discuss?

"We rate this promise Stalled."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 01:34:58 AM
Kemp and GOP govs attack Stacey Abrams $200K debt.

https://www.wabe.org/republicans-target-abrams-debt-in-latest-attack-ad/
 (https://www.wabe.org/republicans-target-abrams-debt-in-latest-attack-ad/)

But the last line is interesting:

Brian Kemp is allegedly in debt, too. He and two other defendants are being sued for a 500-thousand dollar unpaid loan.


What Abrams has to say...

http://fortune.com/2018/04/24/stacey-abrams-debt-georgia-governor/ (http://fortune.com/2018/04/24/stacey-abrams-debt-georgia-governor/)


...despite earning nearly six figures, my financial situation was fraught. I had racked up student loans, and throughout college and beyond, I’d swiftly turned every credit card application into those magical slivers of plastic that allowed me to pay for daily necessities. I finished my higher education deeply in debt and with seven years of bad credit in my future. Using my law firm salary, I started to pay down my credit cards and make student loan payments.

I’d love to say that was the end of my financial troubles, but life had other plans. In 2006, my youngest brother and his girlfriend had a child they could not care for due to their drug addictions. Instead, my parents took custody when my niece was five days old.

Underpaid, raising an infant, and battling their own illnesses, my parents’ bills piled up. I took on much of the financial responsibility to support them, and even today remain their main source of financial support.

Paying the bills for two households has taken its toll. Nearly twenty years after graduating, I am still paying down student loans, and am on a payment plan to settle my debt to the IRS. I have made money mistakes, but I have never ignored my responsibilities; I will meet my obligations—however slowly but surely.


But while the GOP is harrumphing over Abrams, they ain’t saying boo about SCOTUS nominee Kavanaugh who also racked up about $200K in debt... for Nationals tickets:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/new-strike-against-kavanaugh-season-tickets/565022/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/07/new-strike-against-kavanaugh-season-tickets/565022/)


According to financial disclosures, Kavanaugh had between $60,000 and $200,000 in debt, spread across three credit cards and a loan. (Federal rules require individuals to disclose ranges of debts, rather than specific figures, so the actual numbers are unknown.) As The Washington Post first reported, the White House has an explanation for the debts: Kavanaugh spent big on tickets to see the Washington Nationals, a team he’s known to back.

The more important, and curious, question is not how Kavanaugh accrued the debts attributed to the baseball tickets, but how he paid them down. It’s strange to imagine that a man of comparatively modest means would put tens of thousands of dollars on credit cards to buy baseball tickets, but even stranger that they would have been paid off so fast. The White House says that Kavanaugh’s friends reimbursed him for the tickets, and that he no longer buys them. The fact remains that Kavanaugh suddenly cleared at least $60,000 and as much as $200,000 in mysterious debt over one year—sums large enough that senators might well want to know who the sources of the payments were.

GOP thy name is hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2018, 02:10:16 AM
Shadygate continues...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 13, 2018, 03:54:01 AM
The two wrongs make a right argument? We have violent crazies in the US so why not bring in cultural crazies from around the globe?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 13, 2018, 08:39:05 AM
https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night (https://7plus.com.au/sunday-night)

Americans are so lucky...when the killer terrorists start shooting and hacking off heads [as in London], the Americans can whip out their guns and shoot back!
Me, I'm not allowed to carry guns, so I'm just a sitting duck for the nasty terrorists.
The nasty terrorists have swords with which to hack me up, guns off all types with which to mow me down in the street or in my home, and bombs to blow off some or all of my limbs.

Donald trump understands, about terrorists...hence his immigration and travel bans

Travel bans? Like the old Chris Rock joke: “I ain’t afraid of no Al Qaida, I’m scared of Al Cracka!”


https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-wildfire-suspect-posted-about-qanon-other-conspiracies_us_5b6dc69de4b0ae32af97e953 (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/california-wildfire-suspect-posted-about-qanon-other-conspiracies_us_5b6dc69de4b0ae32af97e953)

On his Facebook page, Clark had posted dozens of videos spanning years delving into absurd conspiracies, including beliefs that Satanists run amok and control the world. He believed Pizzagate is real (it’s not, but it did lead to a seriously dangerous situation) and more recently that someone deep within the U.S. intelligence community is posting clues to troll boards, including 4chan and 8chan, about a coming political reckoning.

Clark is accused of starting the Holy Fire that has burned nearly 20,000 acres in Southern California and is only 5 percent contained.

The latter, referred to as QAnon, has suckered legions of conspiracy-minded parties to believe that President Donald Trump is secretly busting a massive pedophile ring. They also believe the president will be liberated from all suspicion in special counsel Robert Mueller’s FBI investigation into Russia’s possible influence on the 2016 presidential election.

As HuffPost reporter Andy Campbell has pointed out, the conspiracy has led to real-world consequences. In June, a man armed with an AR-15 drove an armored vehicle onto the bridge near the Hoover Dam in Nevada where he had a standoff with police before officers arrested him. While blocking traffic, he held up a sign that read “Release the OIG report,” which QAnon had recently been posting about.

Clark’s arrest earlier this week once again puts the spotlight on the possible real impact of conspiracies.


100 Aussie best firefighters went over to help in California.

___

That joke sounds like Rock...to a tee.

We all should be afraid of al Qaeda/ISIL and all the other Muslim terrorists plotting to chop us up/blow us up....run us down in malls. shoot us in our homes, etc.
...and assist Trump-ilk who are trying to keep them away from us.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 13, 2018, 09:11:52 AM
Good news from Georgia district 6, Larry.   And your post on debt hypocrisy shows again that the GOP has only one ethos now:  win by whatever means necessary.   Gentlemanly politics in the GOP s dying with John McCain. 

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 10:39:52 AM
Someone didn't read their own link.   Teehee.

He has a tendency to (not) do that.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 10:45:35 AM
Take a sip of covfefe and chuckle as you recall that GOP is the self-anointed party of fiscal conservativism and deficit reduction.   Nothing from Redward on what happened to that pillar.
Self Annointed?
Since 2010 the GOP has gained about 1000 legislative seats across the country by winning  ELECTIONS !
In other words by winning the consent of the governed.

So, still nothing from Red on what happened to the fiscal principles of the GOP.   

Say one thing.  Get elected.  Then do the opposite of what you said.  Uh-huh.

File this under the same:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/us/politics/mulvaney-military-lending.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/us/politics/mulvaney-military-lending.html)

Trump waves the flag and promises to protect veterans, then leaves them to the sharks when his banking buddies come to call.

And they don't even have an explanation for why they are now effectively not enforcing the rules.  They are only passing this off as bureaucratic "we don't actually have the authority..." bullshit. 

Its simple enough.  If you actually cared enough to end predatory lending practices targeting our nation's veterans you would continue an enforcement process that went unchallenged except by, surprise, lenders.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 10:55:08 AM
A story for our times:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html)

A conservative news outlet finds that a Republican candidate in Florida didn't graduate from a university she claims to have graduated from.

She says she did, so the conservative news outlet spikes the story.

But...The university says it has no record of her graduating, though she did attend for four years.

The candidate posts a picture of herself with her diploma, which the university then points out is an obvious forgery.

The picture is taken down.

The candidate's response to all this?  "Fake news."

Liars and con-men and con-women. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 11:01:12 AM
So the President has described another African American critic, one he hired into his own administration, as "not smart."

Trumpists will deny a pattern in 3, 2, 1...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on August 13, 2018, 11:13:07 AM
Heh.  You need a big shovel for these guys.


And the Kansas goatfuck continues.....

Quote
The governor’s office argued in a legal opinion sent to The Star Monday morning that “Kansas law requires canvassers to look to the intent of the voter” in cases where a poll worker incorrectly tells an unaffiliated voter to cast a provisional ballot, rather than to affiliate and then vote.

“Kansas law requires that provisional ballots cast by unaffiliated voters in a primary election be construed as evidence of voter intent and must be counted,” Brant Laue, the chief legal counsel of the governor’s office, said in the letter.

Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state, has a slim lead, 110 votes, over Colyer in the GOP primary for governor. Roughly 9,000 provisional ballots are spread across the state’s 105 counties. More than 40 percent of those ballots come from Johnson and Sedgwick counties, where Kobach has appointed the top election officials.

After initially resisting calls that he recuse himself from duties overseeing the election, Kobach eventually recused himself last week and named Rucker.

Colyer’s campaign also has alleged that “many Colyer voters had difficulties finding his name on the ballot, were forced to vote on provisional ballots, or were turned away outright for unknown reasons.”

Read more here:

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216584870.html#storylink=cpy (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216584870.html#storylink=cpy)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 11:13:59 AM
A story for our times:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html)

A conservative news outlet finds that a Republican candidate in Florida didn't graduate from a university she claims to have graduated from.

She says she did, so the conservative news outlet spikes the story.

But...The university says it has no record of her graduating, though she did attend for four years.

The candidate posts a picture of herself with her diploma, which the university then points out is an obvious forgery.

The picture is taken down.

The candidate's response to all this?  "Fake news."

Liars and con-men and con-women.

Sounds like she has done fairly well, especially for a non-graduate.

But.............I think its what you learn in those last 3-6 credits before graduation that matters most

heh

Shame on Microsoft by the way for never checking

heh 2
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on August 13, 2018, 11:22:07 AM
A story for our times:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html)

A conservative news outlet finds that a Republican candidate in Florida didn't graduate from a university she claims to have graduated from.

She says she did, so the conservative news outlet spikes the story.

But...The university says it has no record of her graduating, though she did attend for four years.

The candidate posts a picture of herself with her diploma, which the university then points out is an obvious forgery.

The picture is taken down.

The candidate's response to all this?  "Fake news."

Liars and con-men and con-women.

Sounds like she has done fairly well, especially for a non-graduate.

But.............I think its what you learn in those last 3-6 credits before graduation that matters most

heh

Shame on Microsoft by the way for never checking

heh 2

How does the key fact here completely elude you.  Let me boil it down a bit for ya:

WOMAN SEEKING TO BE ELECTED AS TRUSTED PUBLIC SERVANT IS A BIG FAT LIAR.  AND NOT JUST A LIAR, BUT CAUGHT IN AN ACT OF FRAUD, I.E. FORGERY, OF AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT AS TO HER CREDENTIALS. 

Shame on you for ignoring the elephant in the room, and nattering on instead about Microsoft and credit hours.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 11:23:14 AM
A story for our times:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html)

A conservative news outlet finds that a Republican candidate in Florida didn't graduate from a university she claims to have graduated from.

She says she did, so the conservative news outlet spikes the story.

But...The university says it has no record of her graduating, though she did attend for four years.

The candidate posts a picture of herself with her diploma, which the university then points out is an obvious forgery.

The picture is taken down.

The candidate's response to all this?  "Fake news."

Liars and con-men and con-women.

Sounds like she has done fairly well, especially for a non-graduate.

But.............I think its what you learn in those last 3-6 credits before graduation that matters most

heh

Shame on Microsoft by the way for never checking

heh 2

As though you have any idea how many credits she needed to graduate….

I could care less that a Republican candidate lied (in other words, the sun came up this morning) or even that she took the trouble of having a credible looking diploma forged, fake signatures and all.

My point was that in the face of an obviously credible critique, fully backed by facts that are worthy of a response from a candidate who is 100% beholden to the voters, her response is “Fake News.”

That is what makes this a story for our times.  The party gets its orders from the top.  And you are fine with being governed with crooks and liars who feel they have no obligation to the truth for the people who elect them so long as they keep the brown folk out.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 11:27:04 AM
ahhhhh........no!!!

https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1029020206134382595 (https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1029020206134382595)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 12:51:20 PM
A story for our times:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html)

A conservative news outlet finds that a Republican candidate in Florida didn't graduate from a university she claims to have graduated from.

She says she did, so the conservative news outlet spikes the story.

But...The university says it has no record of her graduating, though she did attend for four years.

The candidate posts a picture of herself with her diploma, which the university then points out is an obvious forgery.

The picture is taken down.

The candidate's response to all this?  "Fake news."

Liars and con-men and con-women.

Sounds like she has done fairly well, especially for a non-graduate.

But.............I think its what you learn in those last 3-6 credits before graduation that matters most

heh

Shame on Microsoft by the way for never checking

heh 2

How does the key fact here completely elude you.  Let me boil it down a bit for ya:

WOMAN SEEKING TO BE ELECTED AS TRUSTED PUBLIC SERVANT IS A BIG FAT LIAR.  AND NOT JUST A LIAR, BUT CAUGHT IN AN ACT OF FRAUD, I.E. FORGERY, OF AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT AS TO HER CREDENTIALS. 

Shame on you for ignoring the elephant in the room, and nattering on instead about Microsoft and credit hours.

Now she claims she can’t respond to the “fake news” because her husband has had a cardiac event of some sort.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 01:12:54 PM
"The "fake news" quote was not from the candidate.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 13, 2018, 01:17:19 PM
"The "fake news" quote was not from the candidate.
Kid is right.  It was her "campaign consultant" that used the term "fake news."  Howard remains an honest, and solid candidate,  The paradigm of probity and rectitude. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 13, 2018, 01:21:50 PM
ahhhhh........no!!!

https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1029020206134382595 (https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1029020206134382595)
That Josh is a busy poster.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 01:23:44 PM
Heh.  You need a big shovel for these guys.


And the Kansas goatfuck continues.....

Quote
The governor’s office argued in a legal opinion sent to The Star Monday morning that “Kansas law requires canvassers to look to the intent of the voter” in cases where a poll worker incorrectly tells an unaffiliated voter to cast a provisional ballot, rather than to affiliate and then vote.

“Kansas law requires that provisional ballots cast by unaffiliated voters in a primary election be construed as evidence of voter intent and must be counted,” Brant Laue, the chief legal counsel of the governor’s office, said in the letter.

Kobach, the Kansas secretary of state, has a slim lead, 110 votes, over Colyer in the GOP primary for governor. Roughly 9,000 provisional ballots are spread across the state’s 105 counties. More than 40 percent of those ballots come from Johnson and Sedgwick counties, where Kobach has appointed the top election officials.

After initially resisting calls that he recuse himself from duties overseeing the election, Kobach eventually recused himself last week and named Rucker.

Colyer’s campaign also has alleged that “many Colyer voters had difficulties finding his name on the ballot, were forced to vote on provisional ballots, or were turned away outright for unknown reasons.”

Read more here:

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216584870.html#storylink=cpy (https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article216584870.html#storylink=cpy)

I am with Colyer

And happy to see the Democrat support for the current Republican governor.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 01:25:20 PM
"The "fake news" quote was not from the candidate.
Kid is right.  It was her "campaign consultant" that used the term "fake news."  Howard remains an honest, and solid candidate,  The paradigm of probity and rectitude.

Just a nice  example of NEEDS fully reading what he links (or refers) to

heh
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 01:32:30 PM
"The "fake news" quote was not from the candidate.
Kid is right.  It was her "campaign consultant" that used the term "fake news."  Howard remains an honest, and solid candidate,  The paradigm of probity and rectitude.

Just a nice  example of NEEDS fully reading what he links (or refers) to

heh

...as opposed to yourself who just made up facts not in the article.

A statement from a  spokesman for her campaign comes from her, unless she refutes it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 01:37:09 PM
Here is a link to an article everyone should read, not just pretend to:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351)

Not only an outstanding critique of Trump Immigration policy and rhetoric, but goes to the "idea of America" discussion we had last week.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 01:45:50 PM
"The "fake news" quote was not from the candidate.
Kid is right.  It was her "campaign consultant" that used the term "fake news."  Howard remains an honest, and solid candidate,  The paradigm of probity and rectitude.

Just a nice  example of NEEDS fully reading what he links (or refers) to

heh



A statement from a  spokesman for her campaign comes from her, unless she refutes it.

"CNN reached out to Howard but has not heard back"

Pretty straightforward, even for you.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2018, 01:50:05 PM
ahhhhh........no!!!

https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1029020206134382595 (https://twitter.com/mattzap/status/1029020206134382595)
That Josh is a busy poster.

Good to see you putting your Trump University degree to such good use, champ. You must have done really well in Slimeballs & Scumbags 101, and your “No Puppet” class.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 02:07:48 PM
"The "fake news" quote was not from the candidate.
Kid is right.  It was her "campaign consultant" that used the term "fake news."  Howard remains an honest, and solid candidate,  The paradigm of probity and rectitude.

Just a nice  example of NEEDS fully reading what he links (or refers) to

heh



A statement from a  spokesman for her campaign comes from her, unless she refutes it.

"CNN reached out to Howard but has not heard back"

Pretty straightforward, even for you.

Yup a straightforward statement a responsible news source would make preceding a quote from a spokesperson authorized to speak on her behalf.

Read more Real News, kidcarter8, and you’d know that.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:13:38 PM
"Is this where I come for an argument?"

- "I told you once."

"No, you didnt"
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2018, 02:19:49 PM
I love that bit.

Cleese is still spot on

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=2UueGetlwpw (http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=2UueGetlwpw)

Unlike the dotard, who is decomposing like bad cheese.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 02:23:10 PM
LOL.

I didn't post to an article about the obvious deceptions of a Republican candidate who lies about their credentials, goes so far as forging a diploma, and then hides behind a total mischaracterization of the facts against her, looking for an argument.  But I should have known that there was no depth you people would not go to in order to defend the immoral character of Republicans.

I'm glad, though, that you seem to now recognize the problematic nature of the "fake news" response when politicians are facing a real criticism.  I'll note that next time it comes (directly) from your boy Trump.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 02:31:59 PM
I'm glad, though, that you seem to now recognize the problematic nature of the "fake news" response when politicians are facing a real criticism.  I'll note that next time it comes (directly) from your boy Trump.

And guess how far back in time we'd have to go to find that?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 02:37:03 PM
"The "fake news" quote was not from the candidate.
Kid is right.  It was her "campaign consultant" that used the term "fake news."  Howard remains an honest, and solid candidate,  The paradigm of probity and rectitude.

Just a nice  example of NEEDS fully reading what he links (or refers) to

heh



A statement from a  spokesman for her campaign comes from her, unless she refutes it.

"CNN reached out to Howard but has not heard back"

Pretty straightforward, even for you.

She posed with a diploma the school said was fake... what can see say that won’t dig her deeper into her lie?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2018, 02:42:08 PM
More great video about the unpresident

http://youtu.be/qFyQWLXyiZo (http://youtu.be/qFyQWLXyiZo)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 02:47:16 PM
https://twitter.com/Journo_Christal/status/1028783385857216512 (https://twitter.com/Journo_Christal/status/1028783385857216512)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 13, 2018, 03:19:16 PM
The city of Anaheim has had some cool job openings. One job was being a community representative, helping the city of Anaheim to better help our community, and to better help the homeless, and to help our city better serve us. And another job was shooting videos and stuff to promote a vision of Anaheim as being an exciting city, and which has new aspects and is constantly improving.

I would do that kind of stuff for free, as a citizen. In the USA it is our job, as we the people, to be a part of our community, and to lead our nation, the government is there to serve us. And also we can be involved with our governments. I write emails to help our city, state, and country, etc, I do posts on the web, I do all kinds of stuff, and I do it for free, and it would be kind of cool to get paid for stuff that I already do.

And one thing too, I helped a friend who ran for Mayor, and if she won she was going to let me produce a charity concert at Angel Stadium to help CASA and the foster children of Orange County. I was going to do it all for free, to help the children.

I am totally willing to do stuff to help my city. I doubt I will end up working at Anaheim City Hall, but if I do I already have suits.

Link for their page...

https://www.facebook.com/cityofanaheim/

And as an actor and producer, I can do stuff to help people even more. I can also help to bring more entertainment industry jobs to Anaheim.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 13, 2018, 03:42:07 PM
Here is a link to an article everyone should read, not just pretend to:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351 (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351)

Not only an outstanding critique of Trump Immigration policy and rhetoric, but goes to the "idea of America" discussion we had last week.

No hypocrisy required for Miller.

"I got mine. I don't want to share with you."

Aligns with the rest of the crew in the White House and most of those in his party.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 03:52:55 PM
Weird that they don't understand the difference in immigration and its potential pifalls in 2018 vs in 1903.

I think Mr Miller can both value the opportunities given to his ancestors in early 1900s America - AND be cautious to the atrocities that lie in allowing all out open immigration in 2018.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 04:13:31 PM
Weird that they don't understand the difference in immigration and its potential pifalls in 2018 vs in 1903.

I think Mr Miller can both value the opportunities given to his ancestors in early 1900s America - AND be cautious to the atrocities that lie in allowing all out open immigration in 2018.

Whomever "they" is, Miller's uncle addresses this directly:

President Trump wants to make us believe that these desperate migrants are an existential threat to the United States; the most powerful nation in world history and a nation made strong by immigrants. Trump and my nephew both know their immigrant and refugee roots. Yet, they repeat the insults and false accusations of earlier generations against these refugees to make them seem less than human. Trump publicly parades the grieving families of people hurt or killed by migrants, just as the early Nazis dredged up Jewish criminals to frighten and enrage their political base to justify persecution of all Jews. Almost every American family has an immigration story of its own based on flight from war, poverty, famine, persecution, fear or hopelessness. These immigrants became the workers, entrepreneurs, scientists and soldiers of America.

Those potential "atrocities" are made up, kidcarter8.  In part, but not only because, we don't have an "all out open" immigration, but a sophisticated and time consuming vetting system that Trump dismisses as ineffective without any evidence to the contrary.  And good people are every bit as in need and deserving of refugee status now as they were in 1903.

I said last week that those thinking that the United States faced an existential crisis brought on by changing demographics couldn't explain their thinking as anything beyond "I feel more comfortable around White People."

Nothing you have argued before or since, kidcarter8, has proven me wrong.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 13, 2018, 04:36:07 PM
Sounds like you don't know exactly what the current immigration laws are.

And I am sure you are one of the fairly high % that didnt know kids separated at the border from parents were fostered under Obama's 8 year run

Trump is being cautious - for the good of the nation.  Immigration isnt coming to a halt.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2018, 04:41:40 PM
You are right. Trump’s ill conceived bellyflops on this issue have had negligible effect on the flow of immigrants and asylum seekers. It has produced a juicy boondoggle for GEO Group and the domestic torture industry.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 13, 2018, 04:49:26 PM
I see the Liberal Facists at Pro Publica are soliciting ( via Twitter) photos or pictures of Brett Kavanaugh and any seatmates at any 2017 Washington Nationals game.
Their stated reasoning:

Figuring out who Kavanaugh brought to games could be relevant to his confirmation. It would help:

Understand more about his relationships and any potential questions they might raise for the Supreme Court justice.
Get a better sense of what went into this unusual amount of debt for a judge in his position.
Or maybe just affirm that the guy really does love baseball for the judicial inspiration.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 13, 2018, 05:09:52 PM
Jonah Goldberg!!!!!!
Goldberg had an opinion on Pro Publica’s tweets? 
Got a link?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 13, 2018, 05:10:21 PM
Liberal fascist!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 05:11:45 PM
I see the Liberal Facists at Pro Publica are soliciting ( via Twitter) photos or pictures of Brett Kavanaugh and any seatmates at any 2017 Washington Nationals game.
Their stated reasoning:

Figuring out who Kavanaugh brought to games could be relevant to his confirmation. It would help:

Understand more about his relationships and any potential questions they might raise for the Supreme Court justice.
Get a better sense of what went into this unusual amount of debt for a judge in his position.
Or maybe just affirm that the guy really does love baseball for the judicial inspiration.


Damn, dude. You act as if this is news?

Figuring out how he supposedly spent enough money on ballgames to go $200K into debt and then managed to pay it back in about a year should raise a few flags if the GOP gave a shit about governing instead of ruling.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 05:25:31 PM
I see the Liberal Facists at Pro Publica are soliciting ( via Twitter) photos or pictures of Brett Kavanaugh and any seatmates at any 2017 Washington Nationals game.
Their stated reasoning:

Figuring out who Kavanaugh brought to games could be relevant to his confirmation. It would help:

Understand more about his relationships and any potential questions they might raise for the Supreme Court justice.
Get a better sense of what went into this unusual amount of debt for a judge in his position.
Or maybe just affirm that the guy really does love baseball for the judicial inspiration.


Damn, dude. You act as if this is news?

Figuring out how he supposedly spent enough money on ballgames to go $200K into debt and then managed to pay it back in about a year should raise a few flags if the GOP gave a shit about governing instead of ruling.

made a fortune in an Austrailian biotech co. and then presciently got out right before it tanked.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 13, 2018, 05:26:21 PM
Sounds like you don't know exactly what the current immigration laws are.

And I am sure you are one of the fairly high % that didnt know kids separated at the border from parents were fostered under Obama's 8 year run

So given another shot, kidcarter8 still can't articulate how immigratin policy has led to Trump needing to "save the nation."  You can only garble out unrelated garbage...

Trump is being cautious - for the good of the nation.  Immigration isnt coming to a halt.

So you think the characterization of Trump and Miller's position articulated by Miller's uncle in this piece is unfair?  They are not, for example, seeking an end to chain migration?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2018, 05:52:25 PM
I see the Liberal Facists at Pro Publica are soliciting ( via Twitter) photos or pictures of Brett Kavanaugh and any seatmates at any 2017 Washington Nationals game.
Their stated reasoning:

Figuring out who Kavanaugh brought to games could be relevant to his confirmation. It would help:

Understand more about his relationships and any potential questions they might raise for the Supreme Court justice.
Get a better sense of what went into this unusual amount of debt for a judge in his position.
Or maybe just affirm that the guy really does love baseball for the judicial inspiration.


Were going to need the records on his time covering up torture and his superiors’ sex crimes as well.

Full hearings lead Kavanaugh to his retirement not to a confirmation.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 06:12:00 PM
I see the Liberal Facists at Pro Publica are soliciting ( via Twitter) photos or pictures of Brett Kavanaugh and any seatmates at any 2017 Washington Nationals game.
Their stated reasoning:

Figuring out who Kavanaugh brought to games could be relevant to his confirmation. It would help:

Understand more about his relationships and any potential questions they might raise for the Supreme Court justice.
Get a better sense of what went into this unusual amount of debt for a judge in his position.
Or maybe just affirm that the guy really does love baseball for the judicial inspiration.


Were going to need the records on his time covering up torture and his superiors’ sex crimes as well.

Full hearings lead Kavanaugh to his retirement not to a confirmation.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 06:13:29 PM

Well ain’t this a revolting development...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/carl-paladino-announces-bid-congress-021221721.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/carl-paladino-announces-bid-congress-021221721.html)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 13, 2018, 06:15:13 PM
I see the Liberal Facists at Pro Publica are soliciting ( via Twitter) photos or pictures of Brett Kavanaugh and any seatmates at any 2017 Washington Nationals game.
Their stated reasoning:

Figuring out who Kavanaugh brought to games could be relevant to his confirmation. It would help:

Understand more about his relationships and any potential questions they might raise for the Supreme Court justice.
Get a better sense of what went into this unusual amount of debt for a judge in his position.
Or maybe just affirm that the guy really does love baseball for the judicial inspiration.


Damn, dude. You act as if this is news?

Figuring out how he supposedly spent enough money on ballgames to go $200K into debt and then managed to pay it back in about a year should raise a few flags if the GOP gave a shit about governing instead of ruling.
Check your facts much?

Information on Kavanaugh’s “debt” came from the White House.  By IRS reporting standards the credit card debt fell between $ 60k and $200k.
He bought season tickets for Himself and friends and was reimbursed by those friends in a matter of months.
The top season ticket for a Nationals’ game was $6K for the 2017 season according to the Washington Post.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 13, 2018, 06:39:44 PM
Kavanaugh’s Baseball shenanigans matter as much as dotard’s porn sex payoffs. They are beside the point and trivial compared to these creepy goons’ primary transgressions.

For the dotard and his party and the political right wing, the heart of the matter is here,

http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 13, 2018, 06:51:44 PM
Probably not much of interest or potentially embarassing in Lindsey Graham's closet.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 13, 2018, 06:57:58 PM
Heh.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 08:51:10 PM
Kavanaugh’s Baseball shenanigans matter as much as dotard’s porn sex payoffs. They are beside the point and trivial compared to these creepy goons’ primary transgressions.

For the dotard and his party and the political right wing, the heart of the matter is here,

http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/)

Imagine a SCOTUS Justice who is literally OWNED by some entity? This guy has proven to be malleable...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 13, 2018, 09:03:54 PM
Kavanaugh’s Baseball shenanigans matter as much as dotard’s porn sex payoffs. They are beside the point and trivial compared to these creepy goons’ primary transgressions.

For the dotard and his party and the political right wing, the heart of the matter is here,

http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/)

Imagine a SCOTUS Justice who is literally OWNED by some entity? This guy has proven to be malleable...
How so?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 13, 2018, 10:22:25 PM
And I am sure you are one of the fairly high % that didnt know kids separated at the border from parents were fostered under Obama's 8 year run


You keep bringing that up as if it has a damned thing to do with what Trump did.

It doesn't.

I already presented the facts to you, but you are really fact-resistant, Kiid.

1) Trump ordered the asylum-seekers to be treated as criminals rather than through civil hearings as had been done, in order to separate the children

2) He tried to use the separations as both deterrence and as blackmail to get the Dems to vote for the funding for his wall (that he has admitted the Mexicans will not be paying for).

3) His people intentionally scattered the kids without keeping records of where each kid was sent to make reuniting them harder.

4) The Border Patrol, on orders, were turning away legal asylum seekers, preventing them from applying - many of the children were taken illegally.

Since then the administration has tried to avoid its responsibility by hiding the phone numbers they did have; by claiming it was up to the ACLU to find already deported families; and by trying to deport people, even during a hearing discussing their fate, to the point that it disgusted the judge.

You just keep lying to yourself with your false equivalencies.

And what Obama did was disgusting, itself! So, all the comparison does is make you that much worse.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 13, 2018, 10:23:05 PM
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/missouri-voters-overturn-right-to-work-law-by-referendum_us_5b69b189e4b0b15abaa751fb (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/missouri-voters-overturn-right-to-work-law-by-referendum_us_5b69b189e4b0b15abaa751fb)

Missouri voters prefer unions.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 13, 2018, 10:41:17 PM
Kavanaugh’s Baseball shenanigans matter as much as dotard’s porn sex payoffs. They are beside the point and trivial compared to these creepy goons’ primary transgressions.

For the dotard and his party and the political right wing, the heart of the matter is here,

http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/ (http://www.rawstory.com/2018/08/authoritarianism-expert-hints-lindsey-graham-may-covering-trump-due-2016-russian-hacking-emails/)

Imagine a SCOTUS Justice who is literally OWNED by some entity? This guy has proven to be malleable...
How so?

Kavanaugh:  Pull the string and I'll wink at you, I'm your puppet I'll do funny things if you want me to, I'm your puppet.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 13, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
(https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38932992_1781614478561144_2795714351791603712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=0e1948a3d8038247c21c9d9198dceaab&oe=5C0848DE)

Source:
https://www.adl.org/heat-map (https://www.adl.org/heat-map)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:45:20 AM
I see the Liberal Facists at Pro Publica are soliciting ( via Twitter) photos or pictures of Brett Kavanaugh and any seatmates at any 2017 Washington Nationals game.
Their stated reasoning:

Figuring out who Kavanaugh brought to games could be relevant to his confirmation. It would help:

Understand more about his relationships and any potential questions they might raise for the Supreme Court justice.
Get a better sense of what went into this unusual amount of debt for a judge in his position.
Or maybe just affirm that the guy really does love baseball for the judicial inspiration.


Were going to need the records on his time covering up torture and his superiors’ sex crimes as well.

Full hearings lead Kavanaugh to his retirement not to a confirmation.

That would be interesting.

Then what?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2018, 01:48:42 AM
Merrick Garland or an 8 member court.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:51:08 AM
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/missouri-voters-overturn-right-to-work-law-by-referendum_us_5b69b189e4b0b15abaa751fb (https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/missouri-voters-overturn-right-to-work-law-by-referendum_us_5b69b189e4b0b15abaa751fb)

Missouri voters prefer unions.

Cool.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 02:02:44 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/politics/avenatti-trump-2020-president/ (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/13/politics/avenatti-trump-2020-president/)

heh
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 08:20:11 AM
And I am sure you are one of the fairly high % that didnt know kids separated at the border from parents were fostered under Obama's 8 year run
Actions based on individualized suspicion and circumstances are not the same.thing as a broad based policy deliberately designed to inflict suffering.

And.Grump is npt.acting to keep us safe. Throwing asylum,seekers in jail,and separating families does nothing to keep us safe. He is.a bigot playing to other bigots.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 09:51:06 AM
A story for our times:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html)

A conservative news outlet finds that a Republican candidate in Florida didn't graduate from a university she claims to have graduated from.

She says she did, so the conservative news outlet spikes the story.

But...The university says it has no record of her graduating, though she did attend for four years.

The candidate posts a picture of herself with her diploma, which the university then points out is an obvious forgery.

The picture is taken down.

The candidate's response to all this?  "Fake news."

Liars and con-men and con-women.

An update since I know you are all on the edge of your seats on this:

Melissa Howard, in a post since taken down, posted a message to Facebook apologizing for making the false claim, while saying that she will stay in the race.  Given the obvious deception, she really didn't have much choice, but some props for owning up for what she did.

But of course, being a Republican, she could not help lace her apology with bullshit.  "It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone."  It wasn't?  You disputed a truthful media story as a baseless attack coming from your opponent, you took a picture next to a fake diploma and posted fake transcripts, and called (through your spokesperson) the whole issue "fake news."  But your intent wasn't to deceive or mislead?  What, exactly, was your intent then?

Words have meaning.  Are people who use them in this way stupid, or assuming we are?

And for the record, no, she did not apologize to media outlets for calling their correctly reported story "fake news" because disparaging the media without cause has become so much the MO of Republicans its not even worth noting.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 10:01:45 AM
And I am sure you are one of the fairly high % that didnt know kids separated at the border from parents were fostered under Obama's 8 year run
Actions based on individualized suspicion and circumstances are not the same.thing as a broad based policy deliberately designed to inflict suffering.

And.Grump is npt.acting to keep us safe. Throwing asylum,seekers in jail,and separating families does nothing to keep us safe. He is.a bigot playing to other bigots.

kiidcarter8 has yet to explain how it is that immigration and granting of citizenship to immigrants present an existential threat to the United States.

This should go without saying, but if an opinion is so shitty that you can't say it out loud, or so without merit that you can not argue for it with facts, it should not be the basis of governing policy for the United States of America.

But our President isn't the President of the United States of America.  He is the President of False White Grievance, and the fact that he can give a shit about anyone who doesn't share those false grievances makes him a hero to today's GOP.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 14, 2018, 12:06:51 PM
Quote
An update since I know you are all on the edge of your seats on this:

Melissa Howard, in a post since taken down, posted a message to Facebook apologizing for making the false claim, while saying that she will stay in the race.  Given the obvious deception, she really didn't have much choice, but some props for owning up for what she did.

But of course, being a Republican, she could not help lace her apology with bullshit.  "It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone."  It wasn't?  You disputed a truthful media story as a baseless attack coming from your opponent, you took a picture next to a fake diploma and posted fake transcripts, and called (through your spokesperson) the whole issue "fake news."  But your intent wasn't to deceive or mislead?  What, exactly, was your intent then?

Words have meaning.  Are people who use them in this way stupid, or assuming we are?

And for the record, no, she did not apologize to media outlets for calling their correctly reported story "fake news" because disparaging the media without cause has become so much the MO of Republicans its not even worth noting.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people probably just dismissed that British newspaper's announcement of our being in the "Post Truth Era," as vague sociological musings and hand-wringing.  Because stories like this, and many others, are making very clear that our civilization is in deep trouble as truthfulness and integrity crumble.  What we are reaping right now is the result of public school systems that drastically reduced their emphasis on teaching basic critical thinking skills. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 12:43:50 PM
And I am sure you are one of the fairly high % that didnt know kids separated at the border from parents were fostered under Obama's 8 year run
Actions based on individualized suspicion and circumstances are not the same.thing as a broad based policy deliberately designed to inflict suffering.

And.Grump is npt.acting to keep us safe. Throwing asylum,seekers in jail,and separating families does nothing to keep us safe. He is.a bigot playing to other bigots.

I think you and Josh are out on the limb with this

The second part you are wrong about.

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.

No?  You don't like being labeled that way?  Exactly.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
Needs - I am not against current immigration policy.  Immigrants CAN become citizens.  I know this first hand.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:10:52 PM
Kelly Anne on Strzok: 

"Was a jerk with a smirk.  Now he's just a two bit ex-FBI employee with a Twitter feed"

Ouch.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 01:15:54 PM

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.
en masse? Nope. Not happening. That scare.tactic is the racism. Equating all immigration with MS13 is the racism.

And - protecting Latino youth be separating them from their parents at the border? Seriously? Sending them back - because this country sill eventually send them back - to the violence and danger they escaped protecting them? That's Orwellian logic.

MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 01:17:11 PM
Ke;;y Anne on Strzok: 

"Was a jerk with a smirk.  Now he's just a two bit ex-FBI employee with a Twitter feed"

Ouch.
A Twitter feed and a law suit.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:25:55 PM

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.
en masse? Nope. Not happening. That scare.tactic is the racism. Equating all immigration with MS13 is the racism.

And - protecting Latino youth be separating them from their parents at the border? Seriously? Sending them back - because this country sill eventually send them back - to the violence and danger they escaped protecting them? That's Orwellian logic.

MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.

Kids separated at the border can stay in the US.  That is the aim of many of the parents legitimately bringing the kids in.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 01:27:06 PM
MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 01:27:43 PM
Ke;;y Anne on Strzok: 

"Was a jerk with a smirk.  Now he's just a two bit ex-FBI employee with a Twitter feed"

Ouch.
A Twitter feed and a law suit.

heh

Usually I say YES to that type drama. This one isnt worth my time

Like Hilary,  applaud him for his years of service.  Now he's (like Hilary) a discard.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 01:29:48 PM
Needs - I am not against current immigration policy.

Demonstrably false.  You don't support Trump's effort to end chain migration?  Reduction of legal immigration?  The wall? 

Immigrants CAN become citizens.  I know this first hand.

You posted a tweet about the Trump Administrations reduction in granting green cards and applauded it as an effort to "save" the country.

Can you explain that?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 02:13:44 PM
Catholic priests committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse'

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/08/14/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-on-sex-abuse-in-catholic-church-will-list-hundreds-of-accused-predator-priests/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5e3cad8beed0 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/08/14/pennsylvania-grand-jury-report-on-sex-abuse-in-catholic-church-will-list-hundreds-of-accused-predator-priests/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.5e3cad8beed0)

Trump should act to do anything about stopping them.  A Catholic Ban at least, would be our POTUS just being cautious-for the good of the nation.


Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 14, 2018, 02:39:44 PM
A palpable hit,  sir.   

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 02:48:31 PM
(https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38932992_1781614478561144_2795714351791603712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=0e1948a3d8038247c21c9d9198dceaab&oe=5C0848DE)

Source:
https://www.adl.org/heat-map (https://www.adl.org/heat-map)
Perhaps in your neverending search for extremism you could pass along any relevant leads to the Alt-Right.  It couldn’t fill a 30 passenger bus in D.C. last weekend.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 02:54:01 PM
A story for our times:

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/12/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university/index.html)

A conservative news outlet finds that a Republican candidate in Florida didn't graduate from a university she claims to have graduated from.

She says she did, so the conservative news outlet spikes the story.

But...The university says it has no record of her graduating, though she did attend for four years.

The candidate posts a picture of herself with her diploma, which the university then points out is an obvious forgery.

The picture is taken down.

The candidate's response to all this?  "Fake news."

Liars and con-men and con-women.

An update since I know you are all on the edge of your seats on this:

Melissa Howard, in a post since taken down, posted a message to Facebook apologizing for making the false claim, while saying that she will stay in the race.  Given the obvious deception, she really didn't have much choice, but some props for owning up for what she did.

But of course, being a Republican, she could not help lace her apology with bullshit.  "It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone."  It wasn't?  You disputed a truthful media story as a baseless attack coming from your opponent, you took a picture next to a fake diploma and posted fake transcripts, and called (through your spokesperson) the whole issue "fake news."  But your intent wasn't to deceive or mislead?  What, exactly, was your intent then?

Words have meaning.  Are people who use them in this way stupid, or assuming we are?

And for the record, no, she did not apologize to media outlets for calling their correctly reported story "fake news" because disparaging the media without cause has become so much the MO of Republicans its not even worth noting.

Then she took the apology down - and her campaign website is offline.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university-apology/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/14/politics/melissa-howard-miami-university-apology/index.html)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 02:55:14 PM
(https://scontent.fbed1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38932992_1781614478561144_2795714351791603712_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&oh=0e1948a3d8038247c21c9d9198dceaab&oe=5C0848DE)

Source:
https://www.adl.org/heat-map (https://www.adl.org/heat-map)
Perhaps in your neverending search for extremism you could pass along any relevant leads to the Alt-Right.  It couldn’t fill a 30 passenger bus in D.C. last weekend.

Yup! Noticed that, did you?

It wasn't because they don't exist, but because after watching their fellows get outed and fired, they are scared to show their faces.

Shocking, I know.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 02:57:37 PM
Perhaps in your neverending search for extremism you could pass along any relevant leads to the Alt-Right.  It couldn’t fill a 30 passenger bus in D.C. last weekend.

For that credit the opposition and response to the march in Charlottesville:

Sunday’s sparse turnout on the streets of Washington says little about the country’s current levels of intolerance, bigotry and xenophobia. Hate crimes in the 10 largest American cities were up last year, and fearmongering talk of “massive demographic changes” has made its way into the mainstream. But it does say something about the disarray within a movement that last August had a disquietingly large turnout at a Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville.

“It was a dead-enders event from the get-go, meaning that Charlottesville a year ago had an intention and agenda, and both failed,” said Lawrence Rosenthal, chairman of the Berkeley Center For Right-Wing Studies. “And the coalition that came together to put it together dissolved.”

The view from those inside the movement is not that different. “Now, we are facing so much pushback that people are not in the mood to celebrate,” said Richard B. Spencer, the white nationalist and prominent alt-right figure, who declined to attend Sunday’s event. “And I’m not going to do something demoralizing.”


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/charlottesville-unite-the-right-white-supremacists.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/us/charlottesville-unite-the-right-white-supremacists.html)

Include in that push back the Republicans who made clear (for that moment) that their party had no place for white supremacists and its associated movements.

You can not include, unfortunately, the President of the United States.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 03:03:28 PM
...But if REDSTATEWARD's argument is that the paltry turnout in DC proves that the prominence of the alt-Right in conservative politics is a liberal straw man, he needs to take a closer look at his party's slate of 2018 candidates.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 03:25:39 PM
...But if REDSTATEWARD's argument is that the paltry turnout in DC proves that the prominence of the alt-Right in conservative politics is a liberal straw man, he needs to take a closer look at his party's slate of 2018 candidates.
You planning on riding a non-existent wave of ersatz racism and impeachment talk to a takeover of the House?
How soon you forget the disaster of the “deplorables”strategy. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 03:44:33 PM
...But if REDSTATEWARD's argument is that the paltry turnout in DC proves that the prominence of the alt-Right in conservative politics is a liberal straw man, he needs to take a closer look at his party's slate of 2018 candidates.
You planning on riding a non-existent wave of ersatz racism and impeachment talk to a takeover of the House?
How soon you forget the disaster of the “deplorables”strategy.

I'm not running for the House.  But the Democratic candidates are running against the Trump Tax Cuts.  And its working.

And yes, also running as a check on the most corrupt administration in our history after Republicans have made clear that they have no plans on fulfilling their constitutional responsibility in that regard will certainly help too.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2018, 03:46:54 PM
With presidential popularity toilet bowling into the mid-thirties, steadily falling real wages even prior to the shock of health care sabotage, an insecure White House in every sense of the word, Harley Davidson being driven from our shores by trump to be replaced by FoxCon, the campaign against deplorably bad government works because it’s true. It doesn’t matter wether you deplore the incompetence, the corruption, or the racism, and other callous choices and brute discrimination, or if you just deplore the ceaseless clumsy lies.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 03:59:14 PM
...But if REDSTATEWARD's argument is that the paltry turnout in DC proves that the prominence of the alt-Right in conservative politics is a liberal straw man, he needs to take a closer look at his party's slate of 2018 candidates.
You planning on riding a non-existent wave of ersatz racism and impeachment talk to a takeover of the House?
How soon you forget the disaster of the “deplorables”strategy.
ERSATZ!!!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 04:49:27 PM
...But if REDSTATEWARD's argument is that the paltry turnout in DC proves that the prominence of the alt-Right in conservative politics is a liberal straw man, he needs to take a closer look at his party's slate of 2018 candidates.
You planning on riding a non-existent wave of ersatz racism and impeachment talk to a takeover of the House?
How soon you forget the disaster of the “deplorables”strategy.

I'm not running for the House.  But the Democratic candidates are running against the Trump Tax Cuts.  And its working.
No it’s not. Even if the dems take the House they can’t roll back the tax cuts. But go ahead and use it as a campaign strategy. You will only cause dems to stay home while inspiring greater turnout by the GOP.

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And yes, also running as a check on the most corrupt administration in our history after Republicans have made clear that they have no plans on fulfilling their constitutional responsibility in that regard will certainly help too.

Constitutional responsibility?
Over the last decade voters have used their Constitutional voting responsibility to put the GOP in power at the Federal Level and in a majority of states.
 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 05:03:50 PM
SCOREBOARD!!!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 14, 2018, 05:06:59 PM
Talking about a suicidal death cult! Just two messed up a marathon. Just one destroyed a gay bar. A couple dozen brought down an iconic landmark along with frying thousands of innocents. A good many like the travel ban and a stricter enforcement of immigration laws. Dems should stick to economics and social programs and support the great job being done by ICE and The Border Patrol if they want to win national elections.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 14, 2018, 05:18:19 PM
Quote from: REDSTATEWARD link=topic=55.msg65473#msg65473
Over the last decade voters have used their Constitutional voting responsibility to put the GOP in power at the Federal Level and in a majority of states.
 


Funny I don't recall the Constitution calling for only white people who've never been convicted of a felony and haven't moved within their districts and have a picture ID card and speak and read English fluently and can drive a car and have the physical strength to stand in a long line for several hours if needed....to vote.   But,  hey,  if that's what the Constitution calls for,  then BRAVO!

BUT,  alas,  I think Needs was talking about the duty of elected officials to defend the Constitution from corrupt public officials.   So you kinda ducked his point and yelled scoreboard. 

As Yank observed.   He's observant,  that guy. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 14, 2018, 05:22:08 PM
https://lifehacker.com/its-time-to-quit-twitter-1828307515 (https://lifehacker.com/its-time-to-quit-twitter-1828307515)

For your consideration, Kid8.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 05:25:53 PM
SCOREBOARD!!!!
Repititition is the Mother of knowledge.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 05:32:05 PM
Good Lord - can we stop posting that ridiculous map?


So..........the "good guys" have taken down (or think they have) Melissa Howard - a representative for state office.

Niiiiiice work.

Have to wonder if they have done any research into her stance on issues, her work history, quotes on matters of import, charitable work, etc.


Nah........
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:34:59 PM

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.
en masse? Nope. Not happening. That scare.tactic is the racism. Equating all immigration with MS13 is the racism.

And - protecting Latino youth be separating them from their parents at the border? Seriously? Sending them back - because this country sill eventually send them back - to the violence and danger they escaped protecting them? That's Orwellian logic.

MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.

Kids separated at the border can stay in the US.  That is the aim of many of the parents legitimately bringing the kids in.

Got any evidence to support that?

(see me not holding my breath)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:35:58 PM
Needs - I am not against current immigration policy.  Immigrants CAN become citizens.  I know this first hand.

And currently, there is a program to review such citizens and potentially take it away from them, just as they have been deporting Green Card holders.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2018, 05:38:03 PM
Willingness to run as a republican in the current environment signals an embrace of rampant corruption, incompetence, and criminality in public officials. Only in the case of exceptions do you need to know any particulars, and there are miserably few exceptions.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:43:24 PM
And I am sure you are one of the fairly high % that didnt know kids separated at the border from parents were fostered under Obama's 8 year run
Actions based on individualized suspicion and circumstances are not the same.thing as a broad based policy deliberately designed to inflict suffering.

And.Grump is npt.acting to keep us safe. Throwing asylum,seekers in jail,and separating families does nothing to keep us safe. He is.a bigot playing to other bigots.

I think you and Josh are out on the limb with this

The second part you are wrong about.

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.

No?  You don't like being labeled that way?  Exactly.

I'm not arguing that it was intentionally to inflict suffering, per se.

It was intentionally to (a) deter more applicants and (b) to blackmail the democrats into funding his wall.

In order to have any deterrent effect or blackmail effect, it had to be distasteful to those who care about the children. Hence the suffering.

And... if suffering was not a welcome side effect of their efforts, then why intentionally not keep records of where the kids went? Why stonewall getting them back with their families?


I didn't say that, Kiid - TRUMP said it.

Sorry if you don't like it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:43:39 PM
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Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 05:45:50 PM
So..........the "good guys" have taken down (or think they have) Melissa Howard - a representative for state office.

Niiiiiice work.

Have to wonder if they have done any research into her stance on issues, her work history, quotes on matters of import, charitable work, etc.


Nah........

You realize the opponent who has taken her down is Republican, right?

Feel like I need to say this, because I'm pretty sure you don't.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 05:50:40 PM
Good Lord - can we stop posting that ridiculous map?

Yeah, you hate the truth. I get it - you resemble that remark.

So..........the "good guys" have taken down (or think they have) Melissa Howard - a representative for state office.

Boy are you stuck in your world view, Kiid.

It was Florida News (www.flanews.com) that did it.

They're conservative, not liberal or even moderate. "The conservative choice for Florida news & politics" is what their page says.

Ask them if they considered her positions, not us. We aren't the person who chose to falsify her info, defended it to the core, created a bogus diploma to show off (or as a friend in the business said, "nicely framed"), or eventually came clean - and then deleted the apology!

I get it, though. You don't care if they lie, cheat, or break the law so long as their policies agree with yours!

Kiid, you are nothing if not consistent.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 05:51:59 PM
Red will be here any second to call Kid "amoral". 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 05:55:18 PM
Even if the dems take the House they can’t roll back the tax cuts.

So what?  Republicans couldn’t roll back the ACA either, that didn’t stop them from campaigning against it in 2010.  Lordy, do you get how politics works?  Evidently not.

But go ahead and use it as a campaign strategy. You will only cause dems to stay home while inspiring greater turnout by the GOP.

I’m not sure why you continue to think I am running for office.

Regardles…If the Trump Tax Cuts were galvanizing for GOP voters GOP candidates would be running on them.  They are not.  Instead they are shouting scary words like “Immigrants!” and  “Pelosi!”  because that is all they have after two years of total control.

Constitutional responsibility?
Over the last decade voters have used their Constitutional voting responsibility to put the GOP in power at the Federal Level and in a majority of states.

And the GOP have used that power to redistribute wealth toward their wealthy donors, and shield an epically unpopular, corrupt, venal and self-dealing white supremacist-loving President from any accountability to the American people.

My guess is the American people will show you what they think of that in November.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 06:02:39 PM
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From the Global Moderator, no less.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 06:04:33 PM
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From the Global Moderator, no less.

About the racist in chief.

Your powers of observation are improving, though. At least you didn't accuse me of one of Kiid's posts, again!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 14, 2018, 06:16:02 PM
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Source:
https://www.adl.org/heat-map (https://www.adl.org/heat-map)
Perhaps in your neverending search for extremism you could pass along any relevant leads to the Alt-Right.  It couldn’t fill a 30 passenger bus in D.C. last weekend.

Well, quite a number of them were stuck in Ohio defending Urban Meyer from the vast left wing conspiracy...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 14, 2018, 06:17:17 PM
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Source:
https://www.adl.org/heat-map (https://www.adl.org/heat-map)
Perhaps in your neverending search for extremism you could pass along any relevant leads to the Alt-Right.  It couldn’t fill a 30 passenger bus in D.C. last weekend.

Yup! Noticed that, did you?

It wasn't because they don't exist, but because after watching their fellows get outed and fired, they are scared to show their faces.

Shocking, I know.

Wisdom comes in many forms.
White, heterosexual, Christian males will have to be meeting in barns in the middle of the night too, before long.
Or in the corners of bars with their hats shielding their faces from view.

The Left/Far left only thinks it's won.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 06:21:44 PM

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.
en masse? Nope. Not happening. That scare.tactic is the racism. Equating all immigration with MS13 is the racism.

And - protecting Latino youth be separating them from their parents at the border? Seriously? Sending them back - because this country sill eventually send them back - to the violence and danger they escaped protecting them? That's Orwellian logic.

MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.

Kids separated at the border can stay in the US.  That is the aim of many of the parents legitimately bringing the kids in.

Got any evidence to support that?

(see me not holding my breath)

You're kidding, right?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 06:26:52 PM
You're kidding, right?

Funny, I had the same reaction to your contention that the US was going to offer citizenship to the separated children.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 06:27:43 PM
Even if the dems take the House they can’t roll back the tax cuts.

So what?  Republicans couldn’t roll back the ACA either, that didn’t stop them from campaigning against it in 2010.  Lordy, do you get how politics works?  Evidently not.
go right ahead then. But you might remember the GOP ran on cutting taxes in 2016, they won, they cut taxes, Unemployment went down and GDP went up. If you want to reverse that then you really are the party bent on political Suicide.
Quote

I’m not sure why you continue to think I am running for office.
Well it is confusing. You want to take back the tax cuts and you support the democrats. 
Rock-solid stupidity makes you prime leftist material doomed to lose elections.
Quote
Regardles…If the Trump Tax Cuts were galvanizing for GOP voters GOP candidates would be running on them.  They are not.  Instead they are shouting scary words like “Immigrants!” and  “Pelosi!”  because that is all they have after two years of total control.
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.
Quote

And the GOP have used that power to redistribute wealth toward their wealthy donors, and shield an epically unpopular, corrupt, venal and self-dealing white supremacist-loving President from any accountability to the American people.
Ah yes, the defining mark of the democrats: Everyone else is a racist.
You must be so proud of Josh’s recent post.  You guys call that taking the high road?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 06:30:17 PM
Republicans running deficits: Booming economy
Democrats running deficits: Socialist cocksuckers


Don't ever change. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 14, 2018, 06:34:47 PM
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/london-attack-said-to-be-terrorist-incident/news-story/c0707ce47b84978afce59fafdb4be495 (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/tim-blair/london-attack-said-to-be-terrorist-incident/news-story/c0707ce47b84978afce59fafdb4be495)

LONDON ATTACK SAID TO BE TERRORIST INCIDENT

In 2014,  Islamic State spokeswad Abu Mohammad al-Adnani issued a multi-point improvisational murder plan to his robotic followers:

If you are not able to find an IED or a bullet, then single out the disbelieving American, Frenchman or any of their allies. Smash his head with a rock or slaughter him with a knife or run him over with your car or throw him down from a high place or choke him or poison him.

The attack in Westminster is suspected of being the latest terrorist killing attempt using a vehicle:
Dramatic footage shows the silver Ford Fiesta hurtling across lanes outside the Houses of Parliament before ploughing into several cyclists.

UPDATE. British PM Theresa May’s office reveals 13 Islamic terror plots have been solved since March 2017 while 676 live terror investigations continue.


#####

Well there you go.

One might well ask; "Where were bollards to stop this from happening?   car/truck-stopping bollards that is.
How many attacks must there be before the British govt gets serious?

Britain/Britons were warned long ago, and even in recent times what would happen if, well, you know.
They refused to listen...ran anyone trying to tell them out of town as 'racist, xenophobic, Islamophobic'.
Eventually elected a right-wing govt, but all too late.
...and the right-wing govt is not as far to the right as it could be, many people believe.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 14, 2018, 06:46:03 PM
676 live terror investigations.
Yes, that's what happens when you sign up for the "Everyone in the world is a lovely person" nonsense.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 06:46:18 PM
Solid.foreign policy!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 06:48:06 PM
Republicans running deficits: Booming economy
Democrats running deficits: Socialist cocksuckers


Don't ever change.
Those are your words, not mine.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 06:49:40 PM
Solid.foreign policy!
Exactly.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 06:51:21 PM
Sure Red. My words.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 06:53:57 PM
Sure Red. My words.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 06:56:44 PM
You're welcome.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 06:59:55 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 14, 2018, 07:08:00 PM
Ah yes, the defining mark of the democrats: Everyone else is a racist.
You must be so proud of Josh’s recent post.  You guys call that taking the high road?

Yeah, what has Donald Trump ever done to make us think he is racist?

LOL.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2018, 07:23:26 PM
Ah yes, the defining mark of the democrats: Everyone else is a racist.
You must be so proud of Josh’s recent post.  You guys call that taking the high road?

Yeah, what has Donald Trump ever done to make us think he is racist?

LOL.

What have republicans ever done?

Red is still trying to figure out how Josh superimposed Red’s most flattering profile on to the White House...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 14, 2018, 07:31:01 PM
Solid.foreign policy!
Exactly.
Thanks.
So, that's three people who think so: you, Trump, and Putin.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 08:04:55 PM
Even if the dems take the House they can’t roll back the tax cuts.

So what?  Republicans couldn’t roll back the ACA either, that didn’t stop them from campaigning against it in 2010.  Lordy, do you get how politics works?  Evidently not.
go right ahead then. But you might remember the GOP ran on cutting taxes in 2016, they won, they cut taxes, Unemployment went down and GDP went up. If you want to reverse that then you really are the party bent on political Suicide.
Quote

I’m not sure why you continue to think I am running for office.
Well it is confusing. You want to take back the tax cuts and you support the democrats. 
Rock-solid stupidity makes you prime leftist material doomed to lose elections.
Quote
Regardles…If the Trump Tax Cuts were galvanizing for GOP voters GOP candidates would be running on them.  They are not.  Instead they are shouting scary words like “Immigrants!” and  “Pelosi!”  because that is all they have after two years of total control.
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.
Quote

And the GOP have used that power to redistribute wealth toward their wealthy donors, and shield an epically unpopular, corrupt, venal and self-dealing white supremacist-loving President from any accountability to the American people.
Ah yes, the defining mark of the democrats: Everyone else is a racist.
You must be so proud of Josh’s recent post.  You guys call that taking the high road?

I sure as hell don't call it taking the high road, Red.

Almost every time somebody takes the high road with this bunch of GOP "leaders" they get stabbed in the back, undermined, or trampled.

And... what's your objection to calling a racist a racist?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 08:07:48 PM

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.
en masse? Nope. Not happening. That scare.tactic is the racism. Equating all immigration with MS13 is the racism.

And - protecting Latino youth be separating them from their parents at the border? Seriously? Sending them back - because this country sill eventually send them back - to the violence and danger they escaped protecting them? That's Orwellian logic.

MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.

Kids separated at the border can stay in the US.  That is the aim of many of the parents legitimately bringing the kids in.

Got any evidence to support that?

(see me not holding my breath)

You're kidding, right?

You're kidding, right?

Do you have evidence that the kids who were taken from their parents will be allowed to stay?

That's what I'm asking for.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 14, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
Good Lord - can we stop posting that ridiculous map?


So..........the "good guys" have taken down (or think they have) Melissa Howard - a representative for state office.

Niiiiiice work.

Have to wonder if they have done any research into her stance on issues, her work history, quotes on matters of import, charitable work, etc.


Nah........

Issues? She’s a fucking LIAR.

She had every opportunity to do the right thing and she screwed every chance right down to saying her hubby had a heart attack... you want to talk “the issues?”

She took a picture of herself with a fake diploma THAT SHE KNEW WAS FAKE.

Damn.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 08:27:10 PM
Even if the dems take the House they can’t roll back the tax cuts.

So what?  Republicans couldn’t roll back the ACA either, that didn’t stop them from campaigning against it in 2010.  Lordy, do you get how politics works?  Evidently not.
go right ahead then. But you might remember the GOP ran on cutting taxes in 2016, they won, they cut taxes, Unemployment went down and GDP went up. If you want to reverse that then you really are the party bent on political Suicide.
Quote

I’m not sure why you continue to think I am running for office.
Well it is confusing. You want to take back the tax cuts and you support the democrats. 
Rock-solid stupidity makes you prime leftist material doomed to lose elections.
Quote
Regardles…If the Trump Tax Cuts were galvanizing for GOP voters GOP candidates would be running on them.  They are not.  Instead they are shouting scary words like “Immigrants!” and  “Pelosi!”  because that is all they have after two years of total control.
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.
Quote

And the GOP have used that power to redistribute wealth toward their wealthy donors, and shield an epically unpopular, corrupt, venal and self-dealing white supremacist-loving President from any accountability to the American people.
Ah yes, the defining mark of the democrats: Everyone else is a racist.
You must be so proud of Josh’s recent post.  You guys call that taking the high road?

I sure as hell don't call it taking the high road, Red.

Almost every time somebody takes the high road with this bunch of GOP "leaders" they get stabbed in the back, undermined, or trampled.

And... what's your objection to calling a racist a racist?
Maybe it’s because you are the racist.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 14, 2018, 08:42:36 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 08:45:54 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2018, 08:49:25 PM
Red is fully prepared to be a post-impeachment never-trumper. Till then, he’s standing by his man and taking amoral perfidy and peddling obvious falsehood on the road. It won’t be till trump’s popularity hits 22% or 23% that we’ll see a peel away of supporters as thick as Red.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 09:33:11 PM

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.
en masse? Nope. Not happening. That scare.tactic is the racism. Equating all immigration with MS13 is the racism.

And - protecting Latino youth be separating them from their parents at the border? Seriously? Sending them back - because this country sill eventually send them back - to the violence and danger they escaped protecting them? That's Orwellian logic.

MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.

Kids separated at the border can stay in the US.  That is the aim of many of the parents legitimately bringing the kids in.

Got any evidence to support that?

(see me not holding my breath)

You're kidding, right?

You're kidding, right?

Do you have evidence that the kids who were taken from their parents will be allowed to stay?

That's what I'm asking for.

I will let you research for yourself what the options are for kids detained at the border (family of course decides)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 09:50:08 PM
Even if the dems take the House they can’t roll back the tax cuts.

So what?  Republicans couldn’t roll back the ACA either, that didn’t stop them from campaigning against it in 2010.  Lordy, do you get how politics works?  Evidently not.
go right ahead then. But you might remember the GOP ran on cutting taxes in 2016, they won, they cut taxes, Unemployment went down and GDP went up. If you want to reverse that then you really are the party bent on political Suicide.
Quote

I’m not sure why you continue to think I am running for office.
Well it is confusing. You want to take back the tax cuts and you support the democrats. 
Rock-solid stupidity makes you prime leftist material doomed to lose elections.
Quote
Regardles…If the Trump Tax Cuts were galvanizing for GOP voters GOP candidates would be running on them.  They are not.  Instead they are shouting scary words like “Immigrants!” and  “Pelosi!”  because that is all they have after two years of total control.
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.
Quote

And the GOP have used that power to redistribute wealth toward their wealthy donors, and shield an epically unpopular, corrupt, venal and self-dealing white supremacist-loving President from any accountability to the American people.
Ah yes, the defining mark of the democrats: Everyone else is a racist.
You must be so proud of Josh’s recent post.  You guys call that taking the high road?

I sure as hell don't call it taking the high road, Red.

Almost every time somebody takes the high road with this bunch of GOP "leaders" they get stabbed in the back, undermined, or trampled.

And... what's your objection to calling a racist a racist?
Maybe it’s because you are the racist.

Are you back to "I know you are, but what am I?" again?

Got any instances of me calling people nigger? How about my preventing Blacks from renting from me? My refusing to provide ongoing aid to Puerto Ricans? My indicating that I want Jews, not Blacks, doing my accounting?

Your feeble attempt to deflect attention from the Racist-in-Chief is duly noted.

But he's still a racist.

And you, just one of his many apologists, same as you are for the rest of your racist party.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 09:50:58 PM
Did you stop researching the matter when you got to 280 characters?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 09:51:17 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 09:53:30 PM

Trump is what?  German?  Do you think if young immigrant Germans were committing ghastly crimes vs children in the US en masse' he would act to do anything about stopping them at the southern border?

The fact that he is acting to protect LATINO youth in this nation (by going after MS13) and you are scoffing at it makes YOU seem racist, I'd say.  Maybe you'd be more behind it if little Jane and Jessie Whitegirl had been beheaded.
en masse? Nope. Not happening. That scare.tactic is the racism. Equating all immigration with MS13 is the racism.

And - protecting Latino youth be separating them from their parents at the border? Seriously? Sending them back - because this country sill eventually send them back - to the violence and danger they escaped protecting them? That's Orwellian logic.

MS13 is not an immigration problem. It is a law enforcement problem. Arresting parents and seizing minor children has nothing to do with MS13. That you and Trump argue it does is the racism.

Kids separated at the border can stay in the US.  That is the aim of many of the parents legitimately bringing the kids in.

Got any evidence to support that?

(see me not holding my breath)

You're kidding, right?

You're kidding, right?

Do you have evidence that the kids who were taken from their parents will be allowed to stay?

That's what I'm asking for.

I will let you research for yourself what the options are for kids detained at the border (family of course decides)

No, I have no evidence to support my position.

And even if you had any, I would deny it applied, just like Red does.

Translation provided at no cost.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 14, 2018, 09:59:23 PM
Jeff Colyer conceded in KS GOP gubernatorial...

This should be interesting...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bankshot1 on August 14, 2018, 10:02:04 PM
Red is fully prepared to be a post-impeachment never-trumper. Till then, he’s standing by his man and taking amoral perfidy and peddling obvious falsehood on the road. It won’t be till trump’s popularity hits 22% or 23% that we’ll see a peel away of supporters as thick as Red.

Good thing for Red, "Aldo the Apache" is no longer around.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 10:03:43 PM
https://thinkprogress.org/hallquist-primary-win-a447dbbec2c1/ (https://thinkprogress.org/hallquist-primary-win-a447dbbec2c1/)

Well done.  Truly historic.

Best of luck in November.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 10:15:38 PM
Well........

it's KOBACH, dirty pool or not

https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1029535513437523968 (https://twitter.com/GOPPollAnalyst/status/1029535513437523968)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 10:19:48 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 10:27:29 PM
SCOREBOARD!!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 10:43:11 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 10:50:24 PM
SCOREBOARD!!
Please call it up.
It hasn’t changed.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 10:55:49 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950) an American legal hero, Joseph Welch, dispatched Joe Mccarthy to political hell with the immortal phrase “ have you no sense of decency
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 14, 2018, 10:59:04 PM
Jeff Colyer conceded in KS GOP gubernatorial...

This should be interesting...

Wonderful news for the Democratic challenger.   Kansas has expanding blue zones,  and Kobach's brand of bigotry and chicanery should help to expand them out into purple suburban areas of Johnson and Sedgwick counties.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 11:02:48 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950) an American legal hero, Joseph Welch, dispatched Joe Mccarthy to political hell with the immortal phrase “ have you no sense of decency
You got your year wrong you pedagogical fraud. At the very least a "teacher" should get his facts correct.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 14, 2018, 11:05:52 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950) an American legal hero, Joseph Welch, dispatched Joe Mccarthy to political hell with the immortal phrase “ have you no sense of decency


Bitch, please...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 11:06:22 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950)an American legal hero, Joseph Welch,  dispatched a bigot named Joe McCarthy to political hell with 7 words, “ Have you no sense of decency, sir?”

I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 11:09:18 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950) an American legal hero, Joseph Welch, dispatched Joe Mccarthy to political hell with the immortal phrase “ have you no sense of decency
You got your year wrong you pedagogical fraud. At the very least a "teacher" should get his facts correct.
Okay, I will add you to the Josh column supporting bigotry.
You should feel so proud.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2018, 11:13:18 PM
Red, always a pleasure to see you go full Cartman.

Also, it’s funny you bring it up, sloppy chronology and all because that’s exactly what Josh has been asking you, “have you no sense of decency?”

So far all signs point to No.

Since you first picked that “winner”, that “winner” has sure picked over you. Now there’s not much left, some spite, no spine. You manage to go about without looking around or absorbing any accurate reporting so you can maintain values inverted from and abhorrent to the institutions the party you adhere to has maneuvered to subvert and control. 

Thankfully a growing majority of Americans are done with everything you hold dear.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 14, 2018, 11:17:25 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950) an American legal hero, Joseph Welch, dispatched Joe Mccarthy to political hell with the immortal phrase “ have you no sense of decency
You got your year wrong you pedagogical fraud. At the very least a "teacher" should get his facts correct.
Okay, I will add you to the Josh column supporting bigotry.
You should feel so proud.
The curent occupant of that home believes the White Supremacist movement possesses some "fine people." I don't recall your taking umbrage at that. I've never called you a racist, bigot or White Supremacist. You obviously don't care that the leader of your party demonstrably is, though. But since you got your tax "cut" and your Supreme Court poised to overrule Roe v. Wade, why should you care? 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 11:19:50 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950) an American legal hero, Joseph Welch, dispatched Joe Mccarthy to political hell with the immortal phrase “ have you no sense of decency

Yes, in 1954, Joseph Welch said that. Have you read (or heard) it in its entirety?

It talks about McCarthy's cruelty. Pretty mild cruelty compared to your party, but your whole response to my willingness to engage in a discussion about The Party of Stupid is to refer to Welch's final comment to Senator McCarthy?

Quote
You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

I think the quote is apt, Red State Ward:

You've done enough.

But we know that this GOP has left no sense of decency, with its defense of the child kidnapping program, its defense of the violation of our laws and treaties by blocking asylum seekers, its blithe acceptance of insults of our allies and embrace of Vladimir Putin, its ongoing love affair with the NRA over the lives of our children, and its complete and utter dereliction of duty to the security of our country as both scientists and the Pentagon have pointed out to this President and this Congress.

You personify the GOP.

I'm sure you are proud and will remain so, even as the temperatures rise and the forests burn.

Congratulations. You "won."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 11:30:40 PM
Well, except for a booming economy, record low unemployment, a solid foreign policy with a beefed up military to enforce it.

Well, you seem convinced REDSTATEWARD.  But then, someone like you wouldn't need convincing.

For voters not completely divorced from reality, Republicans had to run scary commercials shouting "Pelosi!" at the 11th hour in Ohio to keep from losing a House district they have held for 30 years.

We will see how that strategy works out in less red districts in November.
Speaking of the Ohio House District. The democrat’s closing ad acknowledged the GOP attack on Pelosi with the laughable line of We need new leadership in both parties."
He lost.

Oh, Prunella!
The party of stupid

A name given to the GOP by a member of the GOP.

Well earned then and now.
I’ll be glad to review the highlights of elections since 2008 when democrats ruled our world.
You wanna go there?

Sure.

GOP blocks action on climate change. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on immigration. Stupid.

GOP blocks action on fixing health care. Stupid.

GOP blocks action to safeguard voting machines. Stupid.

GOP blocks jobs bill after jobs bill after jobs bill. Stupid.

GOP blocks Supreme Court nomination for no good reason. Stupid.

GOP investigates Clinton's emails every which way, but provides little oversight into Russian voting interference. Stupid.

GOP nominates misogynists, white supremacists, evolution deniers, holocaust deniers, and the like. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about the deficit. Stupid.

GOP stops pretending they care about morality. Stupid.


Red, you act like this is a game to be won or lost and to gloat over when you win.

But these are people's lives being destroyed by your party. This is the world, not even just the country, being put at risk by your short-sighted views of the econonomy and the environment. ("Your" is plural there, in case you were going to insist you had done no such thing.)

Your party's members act, then eventually realize the folly of its actions, then apologize and go the other way, but only in the one area they realized they screwed up. They cannot extrapolate to see how the same flawed reasoning screwed up in other areas.

So, we get this one backing down from opposition to same sex marriage, that one expressing remorse for the treatment of the EPA, and a host of other such things, but they don't trickle down much better than the economy seems to.

And yes, the 2010, 2012, 2014, and 2016 elections were very good for your party, overall, even excepting the 2012 presidential election, but you seem to think that means you are winning and it doesn't.

It means you are losing and bragging about it because your myopia prevents you from seeing the costs of what you are doing, in human terms.

I spent several years with you, "taking the high road," painstakingly putting for the evidence of those costs, whether to the poor, the ecology, the vulnerable citizens of the US and the world. You responded to exactly zero of those overtures with anything but disdain and, at best, apathy.

You denied the North Carolina GOP's racism the same way you deny President Trump's, and with as little reason.

You are a dinosaur, but you are intent on making the rest of us dinosaurs with you and it is incredibly sad.

I feel no triumph over the "I told you so" messages you will expect in the future, when the world is burning far worse than it is today. I feel pity for you, but more I feel regret that there has proven to be no way to communicate effectively with you. Even if you were to lose at the ballot box for as long as you have won or more, you would deny there was any underlying cause to it like a failed understanding of the world we are in.

And you will blame the Dems and the scientists and what you call the elites for their failure to save the world, if they do. And if they succeed in saving the world, despite your best efforts, you will be like one of those post-2000 folks who said, "See? I told you there was no problem! You people exaggerated it to make yourselves important."
Josh, a long time ago (1950)an American legal hero, Joseph Welch,  dispatched a bigot named Joe McCarthy to political hell with 7 words, “ Have you no sense of decency, sir?”

I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum.

It was surely offensive, Red.

It was not bigoted. It was based on the conduct of the Racist-in-Chief, through actions that you and Kiid embrace.

But I assure you, you are not nearly as offended by that as you ought to be by the actions that prompted that cartoon to be created.

You ought to be offended that Trump hired Omarosa to start with.
(http://world-ai.news/img/a7/4e/bf/397c0a3f8e97bee8bc1d68787057b8aeded1c2307d.jpg)

You ought to be offended that Omarosa could so easily and casually record a conversation in the Situation Room.
(https://www.caglecartoons.com/media/cartoons/23/2018/08/13/214369_600.jpg)

You ought to be offended that President Trump is spending his time focused on Omarosa.
(http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/20180813edhan-a.jpg?resize=450x450)


Or so many other things.

But you have no sense of decency left.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 14, 2018, 11:33:10 PM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 14, 2018, 11:45:33 PM
Trump's "you are doing a pisspoor job, there's the door"

vs

Obama's "I created this cabinet of color for a reason and you can stay as long as I am in office".
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 14, 2018, 11:47:42 PM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
I’m not.
But you are.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 14, 2018, 11:54:48 PM
Red, did you like Kiid's attempt to deflect the problem with Melissa Howard, by complaining about the "good" guys who got her - totally ignoring that it was a conservative paper that caught her, ignoring her lies, and everything else.

Quote
"It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone. I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree."

Were you offended by that?

You should have been.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 14, 2018, 11:55:00 PM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
I’m not.
But you are.

Cartman, you corpulent snot. You are so precious, so perfect, so impervious...

Trump's "you are doing a pisspoor job, there's the door"

vs

Obama's "I created this cabinet of color expertsfor a reason and you can stay as long as I am in office".

It’s good you can see there is a difference, less good you are confused about which is the better approach.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 15, 2018, 12:01:11 AM
From Yankguy
Quote
The curent occupant of that home believes the White Supremacist movement possesses some "fine people." I don't recall your taking umbrage at that.
[/i]
But I did with a caveat that it was probably the wrong thing to say( which it was). 


Quote
I've never called you a racist, bigot or White Supremacist. You obviously don't care that the leader of your party demonstrably is, though.
demonstrably? Please explain.

Quote
But since you got your tax "cut" and your Supreme Court poised to overrule Roe v. Wade, why should you care?
The tax cut and SCOTUS were campaign promises. Why should anyone apologize when voters agreed.?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 12:01:50 AM
Trump's "you are doing a pisspoor job, there's the door"

vs

Obama's "I created this cabinet of color for a reason and you can stay as long as I am in office".

You can't defend Trump's den of iniquity, so you attack Obama's administration.

How many people have left Trump's employ at this point? How many scandals? He seldom gets rid of anybody for doing a poor job. He gets rid of them when he gets sufficiently fed up with the news stories about their corruption. It's a wonder Ross is still there - but he is the hallmark for why you are flat wrong about Trump.

Go ahead and count the Obama administration scandals. Then count the Trump administration scandals.

Try to do it honestly, though. I know it will be tough for you.

Then understand that I was livid with some of what Obama did - policy and decisions, both. You? You can't even admit Trump is racist, how are you going to admit he had bad taste when it came to a lot of his hiring decisions?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 12:02:41 AM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
I’m not.
But you are.

3rd grad Red.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

No defense, so back to elementary school responses.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:06:56 AM
Red, did you like Kiid's attempt to deflect the problem with Melissa Howard, by complaining about the "good" guys who got her - totally ignoring that it was a conservative paper that caught her, ignoring her lies, and everything else.

Quote
"It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone. I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree."

Were you offended by that?

You should have been.

That it mattered is what is ridiculous

But state politics have been given all the attention they deserve and then some

Governor races?  Sure. lets hear it.  Other than that -

fmeh.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 12:10:17 AM
From Yankguy

The curent occupant of that home believes the White Supremacist movement possesses some "fine people." I don't recall your taking umbrage at that.

But I did with a caveat that it was probably the wrong thing to say( which it was). 

Quote
I've never called you a racist, bigot or White Supremacist. You obviously don't care that the leader of your party demonstrably is, though.
demonstrably? Please explain.

Quote
But since you got your tax "cut" and your Supreme Court poised to overrule Roe v. Wade, why should you care?
The tax cut and SCOTUS were campaign promises. Why should anyone apologize when voters agreed.?
From Yankguy

The current occupant of that home believes the White Supremacist movement possesses some "fine people." I don't recall your taking umbrage at that.

But I did with a caveat that it was probably the wrong thing to say( which it was). 

Quote
I've never called you a racist, bigot or White Supremacist. You obviously don't care that the leader of your party demonstrably is, though.
demonstrably? Please explain.

Quote
But since you got your tax "cut" and your Supreme Court poised to overrule Roe v. Wade, why should you care?
The tax cut and SCOTUS were campaign promises. Why should anyone apologize when voters agreed.?
Who's asking for an apology? Being amoral means never having to say you're sorry.

You've asked me to explain "demonstrably"? Already done. That "fine" people thing? Do you actually need more?  I know it's hard to be as dumb as Kid, but keep trying you might get there.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 15, 2018, 12:11:53 AM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
I’m not.
But you are.

3rd grad Red.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

No defense, so back to elementary school responses.
t
You are the bigot, Josh.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 12:18:57 AM
Red, did you like Kiid's attempt to deflect the problem with Melissa Howard, by complaining about the "good" guys who got her - totally ignoring that it was a conservative paper that caught her, ignoring her lies, and everything else.

Quote
"It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone. I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree."

Were you offended by that?

You should have been.

That it mattered is what is ridiculous

Yeah, because liars and cheats are welcome in your party.

We get it, Kiid.

You don't think people should be held responsible.

State elections determine redistricting of Congressional seats. Seem important to me.

Oh, but you support gerrymandering, too. I forgot.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 12:22:17 AM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
I’m not.
But you are.

3rd grad Red.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

No defense, so back to elementary school responses.
t
You are the bigot, Josh.

Remember this highlight, Red?
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article193814154.html (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article193814154.html)

You denied there was any evidence the GOP in NC was racist.

You are the bigot. So is your party's leader, even while you insist he is not.

No amount of "whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you like glue" from your fingers will change the truth.

Having a racist claim that it is racist to call him racist is old hat and not true when it was new, either.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 15, 2018, 12:37:24 AM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
I’m not.
But you are.

3rd grad Red.

"I know you are, but what am I?"

No defense, so back to elementary school responses.
t
You are the bigot, Josh.

Remember this highlight, Red?
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article193814154.html (https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article193814154.html)

You denied there was any evidence the GOP in NC was racist.
Josh, are you serious..?The issue is “partisan” gerrymandering.
Which is is Constitutional and still is
Do you read any reliable news beyond democrat talking points?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:41:28 AM
Red, did you like Kiid's attempt to deflect the problem with Melissa Howard, by complaining about the "good" guys who got her - totally ignoring that it was a conservative paper that caught her, ignoring her lies, and everything else.

Quote
"It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone. I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree."

Were you offended by that?

You should have been.

That it mattered is what is ridiculous

Yeah, because liars and cheats are welcome in your party.

We get it, Kiid.

You don't think people should be held responsible.

State elections determine redistricting of Congressional seats. Seem important to me.

Oh, but you support gerrymandering, too. I forgot.

Never heard of him

:)

Stay stressed, my friend
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 15, 2018, 12:54:19 AM
See what happens...
...when politicians impose massive, often-non-integrating immigration on the People...thereby overcrowding everything, ...roads, housing, employment, transport, hospitals, infrastructure, cities, suburbs, everywhere...and forcing multiculturalism on citizens.
And 20 or so local, convicted, jailed, terrorists who seem to be mostly of the Muslim faith and of "Middle Eastern appearance" are shown on a current affairs program last Sunday night. Terrorists who were plotting to blow us icons and people.....

you get this;

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/anning-says-final-solution-speech-taken-out-of-context/ar-BBLWh7t?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000 (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/anning-says-final-solution-speech-taken-out-of-context/ar-BBLWh7t?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000)

Anning says final solution speech 'taken out of context'

Queensland Senator Fraser Anning is refusing to apologise for his maiden speech to Parliament, despite outrage and widespread condemnation from the Prime Minister down.

The speech, which has invoked similarities to Pauline Hanson’s warning that Australia risked being “swamped by Asians”, included calls for an end to Muslim migration, and a return to the White Australia policy.

But the comment that incited the most outrage was that “the final solution” to the immigration problem was a popular vote.
The term “final solution” was used in Nazi Germany, during the murder of millions of Jews.

The strongest condemnation came from Energy Minister Josh Frydenberg, whose mother survived the Holocaust.
Speaking on the Today Show, Mr Frydenberg said the remarks were “extremely ignorant, hurtful, divisive, unacceptable”.



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 15, 2018, 01:00:04 AM
and this;

http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/katter-supports-anning-after-senate-speech/ar-BBLWDZe?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000 (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/katter-supports-anning-after-senate-speech/ar-BBLWDZe?li=AAgfYrC&OCID=AVRES000)

Katter supports Anning after Senate speech

Outspoken federal MP Bob Katter supports his colleague Fraser Anning "one thousand per cent" despite the furore over the Queensland senator's controversial first speech to parliament.

The Katter's Australian Party senator has been widely criticised after he called for immigration policies favouring "European Christian" values and a ban on Muslim migration.

"Absolutely one thousand per cent," Mr Katter said when asked if he supported Senator Anning.

Mr Katter said he genuinely believed Mr Anning had no idea of the historical context of the term.
"He had absolutely no idea ... where do we stand on the issue of migration from the Middle East and North Africa? Well, it's very clear where we stand and we are differentiated from every other party now, including One Nation," Mr Katter said.

"Are we racist? We're Australians. I don't know if that's racist or not. I'm not apologising to anyone for it."


#####

Well there you go.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 15, 2018, 01:22:25 AM
I saw this earlier and thought, “how long until Bambu comes out in favor of his local jackbooted crackers?”

Not long at all.

At least he’s not belly crawling about it like Red, who likes to ignore that his racist party jerrymandering by racial demographics is illegal as has been shown repeatedly in courts high and low.

Bambu goes MaGoo, Red goes Cartman, and Kiid goes Milo, our latter day three stooges of the apocalypse.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 01:25:24 AM
Red, did you like Kiid's attempt to deflect the problem with Melissa Howard, by complaining about the "good" guys who got her - totally ignoring that it was a conservative paper that caught her, ignoring her lies, and everything else.

Quote
"It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone. I made a mistake in saying that I completed my degree."

Were you offended by that?

You should have been.

That it mattered is what is ridiculous

Yeah, because liars and cheats are welcome in your party.

We get it, Kiid.

You don't think people should be held responsible.

State elections determine redistricting of Congressional seats. Seem important to me.

Oh, but you support gerrymandering, too. I forgot.

Never heard of him

:)

Stay stressed, my friend

Stay in denial, mein herr.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 02:14:34 AM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/white-house-cant-guarantee-theres-no-trump-n-word-tape.html?utm_source=fb (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/white-house-cant-guarantee-theres-no-trump-n-word-tape.html?utm_source=fb)

I guess your lines, Kiid and Red, are, "Just because he referred to somebody as a nigger doesn't make him a racist."

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/wXrihNIRoVDZ6/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: bambu-wisdom on August 15, 2018, 02:55:56 AM
I saw this earlier and thought, “how long until Bambu comes out in favor of his local jackbooted crackers?”

Not long at all.

At least he’s not belly crawling about it like Red, who likes to ignore that his racist party jerrymandering by racial demographics is illegal as has been shown repeatedly in courts high and low.

Bambu goes MaGoo, Red goes Cartman, and Kiid goes Milo, our latter day three stooges of the apocalypse.

Why should a perfectly nice country have to allow itself to become just another Asian/Middle Eastern/African/Sub Continental basket case place?...just to suit the Left/Far Left's ideas of how things should be?

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 08:11:38 AM
Quote
I find it encouraging that your bigoted and offensive post of a KKK-hooded White House has been ignored by everyone else in this forum. 

Josh's cartoon seemed like legitimate political commentary.   The occupant of the WH has openly expressed his endorsement of white nationalism and bigotry.   You're a legal scholar,  so I'm sure you're familiar with the concept of a preponderance of evidence.   

A feeble try at isolating Josh,  with a touch of gaslighting.  You're getting desperate.
I’m not.
But you are.
Red remains a firm believer in the old adage, "If the shoe fits, try to jam it on someone else's foot."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 08:42:37 AM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/white-house-cant-guarantee-theres-no-trump-n-word-tape.html?utm_source=fb (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/08/white-house-cant-guarantee-theres-no-trump-n-word-tape.html?utm_source=fb)

I guess your lines, Kiid and Red, are, "Just because he referred to somebody as a nigger doesn't make him a racist."

(https://media1.giphy.com/media/wXrihNIRoVDZ6/giphy.gif)

I thought this episode was notable too because of the tacit admission that her boss, who she said told his staff that he never used the word, is a liar.

SHS is learning on the job. If somehow she took it without knowing that already.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 08:49:19 AM
Quote
An update since I know you are all on the edge of your seats on this:

Melissa Howard, in a post since taken down, posted a message to Facebook apologizing for making the false claim, while saying that she will stay in the race.  Given the obvious deception, she really didn't have much choice, but some props for owning up for what she did.

But of course, being a Republican, she could not help lace her apology with bullshit.  "It was not my intent to deceive or mislead anyone."  It wasn't?  You disputed a truthful media story as a baseless attack coming from your opponent, you took a picture next to a fake diploma and posted fake transcripts, and called (through your spokesperson) the whole issue "fake news."  But your intent wasn't to deceive or mislead?  What, exactly, was your intent then?

Words have meaning.  Are people who use them in this way stupid, or assuming we are?

And for the record, no, she did not apologize to media outlets for calling their correctly reported story "fake news" because disparaging the media without cause has become so much the MO of Republicans its not even worth noting.

It's unfortunate that a lot of people probably just dismissed that British newspaper's announcement of our being in the "Post Truth Era," as vague sociological musings and hand-wringing.  Because stories like this, and many others, are making very clear that our civilization is in deep trouble as truthfulness and integrity crumble.  What we are reaping right now is the result of public school systems that drastically reduced their emphasis on teaching basic critical thinking skills.

Giuliani: It’s in the eye of the beholder.
Cuomo: No, facts are not in the eye of the beholder.
Giuliani: Nowadays they are
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 09:34:27 AM
Speaking of SHS...

She has issued a correction after she claimed that Donald Trump created 3 times more jobs in 1.5 years than Obama did in 8.

The correction isn't notable or commendable, since it is an all too rare example of her doing her job professionally. 

What is notable is that she made that mistake at all.  Claiming that Obama only created 195,000 jobs for African Americans (when he created more than 3 million) in 8 years is absolutely outrageous.  They are laughable on their face, and any person with one ounce of knowledge of what is going on in the world would have questioned them before repeating the false claim to the media.

It reveals a terrible combination of drinking the kool-aid (how many jobs did she think Obama created in total, a million?) and simple stupidity.  And arrogant stupidity too.  Confidently quoting the figure as proof against the President's racism, as if the two facts have any relationship to each other. 

Really was an unintentionally insightful press conference yesterday.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 10:03:27 AM
Does Mark Burnett have tapes of President Trump saying damaging things during Celebrity Apprentice?

Yeah, I was in the room.

You’ve heard him say …

Oh, yeah.


http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/penn-jillette-in-conversation.html (http://www.vulture.com/2018/08/penn-jillette-in-conversation.html)

Actually an interesting read, outside of the above.  Not so familiar with Penn Jillette's work, myself, but the interview is insightful. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:20:01 PM
Speaking of SHS...

She has issued a correction after she claimed that Donald Trump created 3 times more jobs in 1.5 years than Obama did in 8.

The correction isn't notable or commendable, since it is an all too rare example of her doing her job professionally. 

What is notable is that she made that mistake at all.  Claiming that Obama only created 195,000 jobs for African Americans (when he created more than 3 million) in 8 years is absolutely outrageous.  They are laughable on their face, and any person with one ounce of knowledge of what is going on in the world would have questioned them before repeating the false claim to the media.

It reveals a terrible combination of drinking the kool-aid (how many jobs did she think Obama created in total, a million?) and simple stupidity.  And arrogant stupidity too.  Confidently quoting the figure as proof against the President's racism, as if the two facts have any relationship to each other. 

Really was an unintentionally insightful press conference yesterday.

Whats the 195 number?  Is that final year, Obama?

Do you honestly think Trump has done a poor job with the economy?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 12:26:32 PM
If we were to believe what the Republicans have lectured us for years (well lectured us when Democrats were the majority party) about the horrors of deficits, then yes Trump has done a poor job with the economy.  So what's it gonna be?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 15, 2018, 12:31:10 PM
Kid,

Either you understand what trade wars do, or you don't.  It's not our job to teach you global economics and how it works at the level of each nation. 

Either you understand what massive national debt does, or you don't.  [etc.]

Either you understand the job-creation potential of new energy technology and sourcing, or you don't. [etc.]

As Cuomo said to Giulani (in that scary quoted dialog that Needs posted above on this page), "Facts are not in the eye of the beholder."

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:32:39 PM
I know you are in stalk mode, YG - and this is an open forum, but when a member of the forum is QUOTED, the question is pretty much aimed at them for a response.

The least you could have done is answer both parts
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 12:43:02 PM
Whats the 195 number?

You’d have to ask SHS.  I could care less.  It isn’t an illuminating comparison, but one meant to support a prejudged conclusion.  Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression, Trump took over a strong and still strengthening economy.

Is that final year, Obama?

LOL.  You are as clueless as SHS.

Do you honestly think Trump has done a poor job with the economy?

Trump’s economic performance wasn’t the subject of my post.

I honestly think Trump is doing a fantastic job taking credit for an economy he has done little to influence.  A non-crazy choice for Fed Chair and tax cuts that have had a moderate stimulus effect offset by tariffs and the ramping up of a deficit that will leave the government unprepared to fight the next downturn.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
 and this is an open forum

Don't like others chiming in on an open forum, talk to the person you want to talk to, one on one, using the message function.

The 195,000 number was calculated by Sanders failing to take into account the date parameters that the statistics showed.  You could have found this yourself.  Look in the Washington Post (liberal media!!!!).  I'll even provide the link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/15/the-presidents-objective-economic-advisory-team-dumps-deeply-misleading-numbers-on-the-public/?utm_term=.ad0fcfe7ca37  (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/08/15/the-presidents-objective-economic-advisory-team-dumps-deeply-misleading-numbers-on-the-public/?utm_term=.ad0fcfe7ca37)

Only problem is that the article appears to be more than 280 characters.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 12:54:54 PM
Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression


Yep.  Plenty of room for that growth.  The 14 year old running in VT could have done it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 15, 2018, 12:59:47 PM
With growth stalling out and real wages dropping at an accelerating rate, the trump downturn is well underway. It will be even more apparent in next quarter’s numbers.

With an executive and cabinet who’s only wealth is what they’ve stolen, the incompetence and corruption make the epic downturn inevitable but reversible with huge Democratic wins in the fall and a return of oversight to the federal government.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression


Yep.  Plenty of room for that growth.  The 14 year old running in VT could have done it.

Largest stimulus package in our history leading to saving an estimated 3 million jobs…and there isn’t anything in a sharp economic downturn that would lead us to expect the longest continuous period of economic expansion ever.

While a 14 year old could have taken over the Obama economy and “achieved” the same, it takes a Republican to trumpet those numbers after previously calling them a 
 “disaster” under their predecessor.   

And a Trumpist to buy that story without questioning it.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 01:42:46 PM
Not only is Trumpism the new Conservatism, you aren't a real conservative yourself unless you supported Trump immediately following the Access Hollywood tape.  That is the conservative litmus test now.  You don't support Trump's abuse of women, you're a RINO:

Johnson’s ad hits Pawlenty for calling Trump “unhinged and unfit to be president,” just weeks before the 2016 election, a reference to the statement that Pawlenty put out after the “Access Hollywood” news broke. In the ad, Johnson then says, “When the Supreme Court and our economy were on the line, Tim Pawlenty stuck his finger in the wind,” before declaring himself the real “conservative” in the race and promising not to “panic when it matters most”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/15/the-new-gop-litmus-test-defending-trump-at-his-absolute-worst/?utm_term=.1780a3ef10cd (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/08/15/the-new-gop-litmus-test-defending-trump-at-his-absolute-worst/?utm_term=.1780a3ef10cd)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 15, 2018, 02:02:14 PM
With trump’s personal popularity at 31%, according to Gallup, it’s nice to hear a concise and cogent voice from the conservative side explain the 11% Democrat advantage in generic congressional ballot and simultaneously account for our three stooges.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/did-i-join-a-movement-that-naturally-attracts-extremists-and-kooks?ref=home (http://www.thedailybeast.com/did-i-join-a-movement-that-naturally-attracts-extremists-and-kooks?ref=home)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 02:44:10 PM
Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression


Yep.  Plenty of room for that growth.  The 14 year old running in VT could have done it.

Largest stimulus package in our history leading to saving an estimated 3 million jobs…

Exactly

Any president with an economy that poor upon takeover and with that number stimulus available couldn't help but come out on the positive side of it.

The issue has always been use of the stimulus.  But that's an aside.

O's done.  Did the best he could - and represnted the nation with elegance.

Best now to look ahead.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 03:04:21 PM
Any president with an economy that poor upon takeover and with that number stimulus available couldn't help but come out on the positive side of it.

Curious phrasing here...

"Any president" - Obama was active his first few years fighting for a stimulus, passing wall street reform, putting together a bill that got healthcare to millions, and fighting GOP demands for budget cuts.  You could argue "any president" if these moves would have been the default positions of "any president" but they certainly were not.  So as it is, you have zero standing to make the claim that any President would have had the same results.

"that number stimulus available" - See above.  President Obama and the Democrats made that stimulus available.  A Republican president, with zero R votes for it in the House, and a super-majority required in the Senate, would not have made that stimulus available.  But I'm heartened that you understand that it was a big help to the economy.

"with an economy that poor...couldn't help but come out on the positive side of it."

Actually, starting out with a big jobs deficit (4 million jobs lost in the first year) makes it far harder to "come out on the positive side of it."  Negative 4 million means you need 4 million to get to zero vs starting out at zero (or starting out at plus 2 million, like Trump).  Math can be hard sometimes, but this math is simple.

O's done.  Did the best he could - and represnted the nation with elegance.

Best now to look ahead.

Again, you will have to take that up with SHS, who not only bungled the comparison, but thought it relevant in the first place. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 03:26:03 PM
Obama took over in the middle of the worst recession since the Great Depression


Yep.  Plenty of room for that growth.  The 14 year old running in VT could have done it.

Largest stimulus package in our history leading to saving an estimated 3 million jobs…

Exactly

Any president with an economy that poor upon takeover and with that number stimulus available couldn't help but come out on the positive side of it.
Just as any President with a growing economy will likely continue to see the economy grow until they fuck it up by, for instance, starting trade wars for no good reason or putting a financial strain on wage earners by lowering the real world effect of their wages, or undercut not one but two major economic sectors by fucking with health insurance out of spite.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 03:38:11 PM
Trump use of term "dog". He should have argued he was just using slang. Like "Yo, dog, whatchoo bitchin' 'bout? I hired you four times!"

Four more times than most people with any shred of integrity would have, btw.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 03:58:54 PM
I give Trump credit for holding back

I think FUCKING DOG is what he wanted to say
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 04:02:25 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."

Even coming from a political party that has in may ways come to be defined by its hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, this is breathtaking.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 04:22:22 PM
Brennan and Pawlenty latest out of the swamp
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 05:25:19 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."

Even coming from a political party that has in may ways come to be defined by its hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness, this is breathtaking.
Yeah, Trump is.going after his own clearance next.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 05:27:45 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."



There will be more to come.  You dont just get that shit for life
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 05:46:45 PM
Brennan and Pawlenty latest out of the swamp

If you define "swamp" as the group of people who dare criticize the President's behavior.

But as most things you post, the exact opposite is true.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 15, 2018, 05:48:44 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."



There will be more to come.  You dont just get that shit for life

You have a habit of talking out of your ass that you should really check, kiidcarter8.

You do actually get that shit for life, and since a law put into place in 1995, you need to follow a procedure and give a justifiable reason for revoking it. 

Trump's reasons are laughable, all the more clear when you see that the list of "more to come" are all Trump critics.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 05:50:35 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."



There will be more to come.  You dont just get that shit for life
You do not lose a privilege because you criticize a President either. There will be a Democratic president eventually. You ok with pulling clearances for the people who opine on Fox?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: MrUtley3 on August 15, 2018, 06:00:39 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."



There will be more to come.  You dont just get that shit for life

You do know WHY they "got that shit", do you?

Didnt think you were such a tool.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 15, 2018, 06:35:27 PM
I give Trump credit for holding back

I think FUCKING DOG is what he wanted to say

I'm sure your front row seat on Trump's inner thoughts gives you special insight.  I would have guessed a different noun there.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 15, 2018, 07:02:32 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."



There will be more to come.  You dont just get that shit for life
You do not lose a privilege because you criticize a President either.

Well.  Charges that the President committed treason are clearly impeachable offenses. Absent any action along those lines though  proceed with caution.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 15, 2018, 07:29:20 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."



There will be more to come.  You dont just get that shit for life
You do not lose a privilege because you criticize a President either.

Well.  Charges that the President committed treason are clearly impeachable offenses. Absent any action along those lines though  proceed with caution.
And? You post that as if it means something in context.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 15, 2018, 07:53:55 PM
I don’t understand why you guys keep waiting for kid and RED to “see the light.”

Hell, someone had to put on the brown shirt during the rise of the last Reich.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 15, 2018, 08:14:49 PM
Achtung, y’all!

https://deadline.com/2018/08/donald-trump-cia-john-brennan-responds-omarosa-dog-security-clearance-pulled-1202446277/ (https://deadline.com/2018/08/donald-trump-cia-john-brennan-responds-omarosa-dog-security-clearance-pulled-1202446277/)

“This action is part of a broader effort by Mr. Trump to suppress freedom of speech & punish critics,” Brennan charged in his chilling tweet.

“It should gravely worry all Americans, including intelligence professionals, about the cost of speaking out. My principles are worth far more than clearances,” he added.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 15, 2018, 08:32:28 PM
The walls are closing in on the man who would be king.

Obviously they’re so panicked by this latest turn by Omarosa that they’re pulling the shit they floated back in July.

Distract and move. Change the subject. Rev up the base with bullshit and try to shove us over the brink before the midterms, or change the rules between November and January.

Banana republic, here we come.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 15, 2018, 08:45:46 PM
Trump revoking John Brennan's security clearance, the reasons being given are the risks posed by his "erratic conduct & behavior" "increasingly frenzied commentary" "wild outbursts on the internet and television" and that he is "highly partisan."



There will be more to come.  You dont just get that shit for life
You do not lose a privilege because you criticize a President either.

Well.  Charges that the President committed treason are clearly impeachable offenses. Absent any action along those lines though  proceed with caution.
And? You post that as if it means something in context.
Yes I do.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 09:30:33 PM
https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1029899760533229574 (https://twitter.com/GerryCallahan/status/1029899760533229574)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 09:36:07 PM
https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1029894269123919872 (https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1029894269123919872)

Defense of Trump on Brennan issue
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 15, 2018, 09:40:09 PM
https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1029894269123919872 (https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/1029894269123919872)

Defense of Trump on Brennan issue

Thank you for providing a worm’s eye view.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 15, 2018, 09:42:41 PM
From Hannity? I should read it. I'm sure it's got a lot of backwards letters and is written in crayon. I like crayon.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:15:35 PM
Speaking of SHS...

She has issued a correction after she claimed that Donald Trump created 3 times more jobs in 1.5 years than Obama did in 8.

The correction isn't notable or commendable, since it is an all too rare example of her doing her job professionally. 

What is notable is that she made that mistake at all.  Claiming that Obama only created 195,000 jobs for African Americans (when he created more than 3 million) in 8 years is absolutely outrageous.  They are laughable on their face, and any person with one ounce of knowledge of what is going on in the world would have questioned them before repeating the false claim to the media.

It reveals a terrible combination of drinking the kool-aid (how many jobs did she think Obama created in total, a million?) and simple stupidity.  And arrogant stupidity too.  Confidently quoting the figure as proof against the President's racism, as if the two facts have any relationship to each other. 

Really was an unintentionally insightful press conference yesterday.

The "correction" was bogus, too, as it happens - based on election day to July for each period, allowing Obama to be blamed for Bush job losses and allowing Trump to take credit for jobs gained before he got into office.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:19:13 PM
I know you are in stalk mode, YG - and this is an open forum, but when a member of the forum is QUOTED, the question is pretty much aimed at them for a response.


But it remains an open forum.

It's not like practice what you preach.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 15, 2018, 10:26:05 PM




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/08/13/are-rich-people-more-likely-to-lie-cheat-steal-science-explains-the-world-of-manafort-and-gates/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/08/13/are-rich-people-more-likely-to-lie-cheat-steal-science-explains-the-world-of-manafort-and-gates/)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:27:31 PM
http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/401692-florida-schools-must-display-in-god-we-trust-signs (http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/401692-florida-schools-must-display-in-god-we-trust-signs)

Party of Stupid.

The only question is whether this SCOTUS is going to join them or if it will continue to uphold that aspect of the Constitution.

Why does the GOP keep trying to shove their religious beliefs down everybody else's throats?


I take it back. It is only *mostly* GOP - the bill was initiated by a Dem.

Still a stupid bill and the GOP should never have supported it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 10:29:30 PM
Heh

WISH IT and ya neva know

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/politics/democratic-wave-growing-analysis/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/politics/democratic-wave-growing-analysis/index.html)

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 15, 2018, 10:45:20 PM

I want to make New York Great! Again

Candidate Andrew Cuomo in 2010 running for NY Governor.

America was never that Great
NY Governor Andrew Cuomo yesterday
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:55:19 PM

I want to make New York Great! Again

Candidate Andrew Cuomo in 2010 running for NY Governor.

America was never that Great
NY Governor Andrew Cuomo yesterday

Good to see that he is learning.

But no - he walked his comment about America back. More's the pity.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 10:55:38 PM
(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39261710_2175389849415784_2639682063988424704_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=691a8ec916ccccf0bbabca786e9cf475&oe=5C060001)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 15, 2018, 11:13:07 PM

I want to make New York Great! Again

Candidate Andrew Cuomo in 2010 running for NY Governor.

America was never that Great
NY Governor Andrew Cuomo yesterday

Good to see that he is learning.

But no - he walked his comment about America back. More's the pity.
Only to make it more laughably stupid. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 11:51:06 PM

I want to make New York Great! Again

Candidate Andrew Cuomo in 2010 running for NY Governor.

America was never that Great
NY Governor Andrew Cuomo yesterday

Good to see that he is learning.

But no - he walked his comment about America back. More's the pity.
Only to make it more laughably stupid.

Says the expert on stupid.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 11:52:07 PM
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/976 (http://science.sciencemag.org/content/341/6149/976)

One of the reasons the GOP is opposed to stopping poverty is that people in poverty make worse decisions.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 11:54:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1029749433129492480 (https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1029749433129492480)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 11:56:09 PM
Good fucking Lord...

https://twitter.com/CRTV/status/1029847045140619265 (https://twitter.com/CRTV/status/1029847045140619265)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 15, 2018, 11:58:50 PM
Now this chick I love

https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/538553252514525184 (https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/538553252514525184)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 15, 2018, 11:59:56 PM
(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39227130_10160728587980313_977140643644047360_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=cc49cb74bad82245dcffb58869f7443d&oe=5BF802BF)

'nuff said!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 16, 2018, 12:19:37 AM
The GOP racists are at it again:
https://apnews.com/366440549dd049858fd296430361fb1c (https://apnews.com/366440549dd049858fd296430361fb1c)

"Let's shut down 77.7% of the polling places in this predominantly black county."

 
Quote
The Randolph County elections board is scheduled to meet Thursday to discuss a proposal that would eliminate seven of nine polling locations in the county, according to the American Civil Liberties Union of Georgia. Included in the proposed closures is Cuthbert Middle School where nearly 97 percent of voters are black.
...
In addition to statewide offices, Randolph County voters will also vote for state legislative seats in November. All nine polling locations were used during this year’s primary and Republican run-off, so it is unclear why the locations would be closed down, Andrea Young said.

Spare me the "prove it's racist" crap.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 16, 2018, 02:04:03 AM
I am not an Omarosa fan.

I never watched The Apprentice and nothing I heard about her suggested to me that she had any business working in the White House. So, the train wreck of her being fired is of no shock to me whatsoever.

And every time she opens her mouth, I want her prosecuted.

But I have this one problem:

Her statements which were incredible are now credible.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/omarosa-price-silence-trump-aides-15k-campaign-records/story?id=57159377 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/omarosa-price-silence-trump-aides-15k-campaign-records/story?id=57159377)

She told the world that the Trump campaign or the Republican Party is still paying some former aides $15k per  month to keep silent. A look at the financial records confirms that some former aides are getting about that amount.

This is problematic. If it were just her making wild, unsubstantiable (and unsubstantiated) claims, nobody would care and with good cause. But having that part backed up by other people is not good for the President or his former aides. If that is true, one asks, what else is legit?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 16, 2018, 02:24:45 AM
I am not an Omarosa fan.

I never watched The Apprentice and nothing I heard about her suggested to me that she had any business working in the White House. So, the train wreck of her being fired is of no shock to me whatsoever.

And every time she opens her mouth, I want her prosecuted.

But I have this one problem:

Her statements which were incredible are now credible.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/omarosa-price-silence-trump-aides-15k-campaign-records/story?id=57159377 (https://abcnews.go.com/US/omarosa-price-silence-trump-aides-15k-campaign-records/story?id=57159377)

She told the world that the Trump campaign or the Republican Party is still paying some former aides $15k per  month to keep silent. A look at the financial records confirms that some former aides are getting about that amount.

This is problematic. If it were just her making wild, unsubstantiable (and unsubstantiated) claims, nobody would care and with good cause. But having that part backed up by other people is not good for the President or his former aides. If that is true, one asks, what else is legit?

No one in this administration has any credibility but if they’re firing on each other you can bet they’re dishing truth.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 16, 2018, 03:39:27 AM
Since we know payoffs, catch and kill, and other shady arrangements have been employed for years to keep little trump jr. from being bored by the replacement wives. There is no reason the creepy slime cadaver wouldn’t employ the same pressure tactics in his grand scheme to defraud the United States, what Red would call an “administration”.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 16, 2018, 07:53:15 AM
Omarosa, too crazy for even the Donald. "The presidential apprentice", blurred lines between reality TV and reality. Entertaining but getting a bit tedious. Just bomb Iran, throw out the illegals, and leave in two years.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 08:13:35 AM
Wait. You're for "bomb"ing Iran?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 16, 2018, 09:24:05 AM
Wait. You're for "bomb"ing Iran?
You seem surprised. Why?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 16, 2018, 09:28:22 AM
Iran is the best buddy of his idol Assad AND his candidate of choice, Tulsi Gabbard, is vociferously against it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 16, 2018, 09:44:14 AM
Good fucking Lord...

https://twitter.com/CRTV/status/1029847045140619265 (https://twitter.com/CRTV/status/1029847045140619265)

I know.  People on Twitter all sound like rabid bigoted extremists.   Glad you noticed how toxic that is.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 16, 2018, 10:40:39 AM
https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1029749433129492480 (https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1029749433129492480)

Heh

WISH IT and ya neva know
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Oilyboyd on August 16, 2018, 11:37:03 AM
Quote
FiveThirtyEight blog

In 2010, Nate Silver of The New York Times’ blog FiveThirtyEight wrote the article "Is Rasmussen Reports biased?", in which he mostly defended Rasmussen from allegations of bias. However, later in the year, Rasmussen's polling results diverged notably from other mainstream pollsters, which Silver labeled a "house effect." He went on to explore other factors which may have explained the effect such as the use of a likely voter model, and claimed that Rasmussen conducted its polls in a way that excluded the majority of the population from answering.

After the 2010 midterm elections, Silver concluded that Rasmussen's polls were the least accurate of the major pollsters in 2010, having an average error of 5.8 points and a pro-Republican bias of 3.9 points according to Silver's model. FiveThirtyEight currently rates Rasmussen Reports with a C+ grade and notes a simple average error of 5.3 percent across 657 polls analyzed.

Jonathan Chait

Jonathan Chait of the New Republic said that Rasmussen is perceived in the "conservative world" as "the gold standard" and suggested the polling company asks the questions specifically to show public support for the conservative position. They cited an example when Rasmussen asked "Should the government set limits on how much salt Americans can eat?" when the issue was whether to limit the amount of salt in pre-processed food.
  - Wikipedia article, "Rasmussen Poll"

Quote
There are a few reasons to be skeptical about the Rasmussen result.
* Rasmussen surveys "likely voters" in their daily approval polls. They argue it gives them a more accurate reading of the actual voting electorate -- and certainly a more accurate one than polling firms that test all adults. The problem, according to Agiesta, is that we have no real idea of how Rasmussen decides who a "likely voter" is. Is it based on the 2016 election? 2012? Some combo? Rasmussen won't say. (Here's what Rasmussen does say about its samples.)
* Rasmussen used an automated voice (as opposed to a real, live person) to conduct their polls. They are, therefore, barred by law from contacting people on cell phones. People who only use cell phones tend to be younger and more diverse than those who have landlines. And younger, more diverse voters have heavily favored Democrats in recent elections.
* Rasmussen doesn't disclose how they conduct the telephone portion of their surveys. (They also do an online poll as a supplement to their phone results, which is a whole other problem.) Most pollsters use a technique called random digit dialing, which is exactly what it sounds like, to build a representative sample. Others -- particularly partisan pollsters -- poll off a privately maintained voter file. (More on that here.) Which one does Rasmussen use? We don't know if they use either -- or some other way to develop a random sample of the public -- because they don't release details on how they do it.
There are other, even more technical and nerdy reasons why you should be somewhat skeptical of Rasmussen, but you get the idea. In an industry in which transparency is the name of the game, Rasmussen just doesn't show very much of how they do what they do. That's not to say what they do is wrong; it's only to say we have no way of knowing how closely they adhere to accepted polling standards.
  - CNN, April 17, 2017, Chris Cillizza



Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 16, 2018, 11:50:51 AM
NYU becomes first Medical School to go tuition free, thanks to private fundraising.
 https://www.wsj.com/articles/nyu-offers-full-tuition-scholarships-for-all-medical-students-1534433082?mod=hp_lead_pos4 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/nyu-offers-full-tuition-scholarships-for-all-medical-students-1534433082?mod=hp_lead_pos4)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 16, 2018, 12:48:36 PM
Now, if all those nice rich people will just donate to all the other colleges that are in need of such a program, then all kinds of problems will be solved without the need of that silly federal government.  Of course, if you happen to be born in the millennium in which that glorious Noblesse Oblige hasn't happened, be sure you pick a womb in New York. 


Oil:  Over a period of years, I have pointed out to Kid8 the problems at Rasmussen - leading questions, automated polling over landlines only, lack of transparency on polling criteria, Scott Rasmussen's close ties to GOP campaigns, concealing their "likely voter" filter, etc.  Because he is intellectually dishonest, and has zero respect for the value of real discussion of issues, he has never responded to any of these points, and I doubt he ever will.  The mortar that holds the cement blocks of Trump's base together is ignorance and unwillingness to join in real debate based on facts.  The natural posture of their minds is:  entrenchment. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: REDSTATEWARD on August 16, 2018, 12:53:18 PM
Of course, if you happen to be born in the millennium in which that glorious Noblesse Oblige hasn't happened, be sure you pick a womb in New York. 


A trend-spotter you are not.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 16, 2018, 01:01:55 PM


Meanwhile....

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/opinion/john-brennan-trump-russia-collusion-security-clearance.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/16/opinion/john-brennan-trump-russia-collusion-security-clearance.html)

Probably not, like, a trend or anything....

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: FlyingVProd on August 16, 2018, 03:04:03 PM
There are a lot of damaged people in the world. And we have some mentally ill people in our White House. 

We need more love and kindness in the world, and we need to come from a place of abundance. And the good people must stand up against evil. 

Salute,

Tony V. 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 03:12:40 PM
Comey's been out of the news - looks to get to the top of the chopping block

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1029893474269777920 (https://twitter.com/Comey/status/1029893474269777920)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 16, 2018, 04:03:48 PM
Kid,  with all due respect:

I don't read Twitter anymore.  If news of Mr. Comey appears in...

Reuters
Washington Post
AP news
The Guardian
The Hill
LA Times
Toronto Star
National Review

....then I will read the quote.   Or,  if you want more eyeballs on such posts,  simply quote the tweet in the text of your post.   That way,  readers can grasp what your attached comment is about.

Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 16, 2018, 05:25:54 PM
Kid,  with all due respect:

I don't read Twitter anymore.  If news of Mr. Comey appears in...

Reuters
Washington Post
AP news
The Guardian
The Hill
LA Times
Toronto Star
National Review

....then I will read the quote.   Or,  if you want more eyeballs on such posts,  simply quote the tweet in the text of your post.   That way,  readers can grasp what your attached comment is about.

Chopping block? As in having clearance revoked? If that’s what you mean then that ship sailed when Comey got fired. Same for McCabe.

Do you realize what you’re rooting for?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 16, 2018, 05:29:31 PM
Do you realize what you’re rooting for?

He's rooting for Trump over Democracy, and is proud of it.

Hasn't than been obvious for a while now?
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 16, 2018, 05:31:19 PM
Do you realize what you’re rooting for?

He's rooting for Trump over Democracy, and is proud of it.

Hasn't than been obvious for a while now?

I really hope his kids love him but think his politics suck.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 16, 2018, 05:32:04 PM
Hard times befallen
The Soul Survivors...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 05:55:54 PM
Kid,  with all due respect:

I don't read Twitter anymore.  If news of Mr. Comey appears in...

Reuters
Washington Post
AP news
The Guardian
The Hill
LA Times
Toronto Star
National Review

....then I will read the quote.   Or,  if you want more eyeballs on such posts,  simply quote the tweet in the text of your post.   That way,  readers can grasp what your attached comment is about.

Chopping block? As in having clearance revoked? If that’s what you mean then that ship sailed when Comey got fired. Same for McCabe.

Do you realize what you’re rooting for?

I dont root.

Except maybe a little on election day
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 16, 2018, 06:01:42 PM
No more death to America, please!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 06:07:43 PM
49%/ -8

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/trump_approval_index_history)

Up from 44 and -15 less than a month ago
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 16, 2018, 09:04:57 PM
There are a lot of damaged people in the world. And we have some mentally ill people in our White House.

We need more love and kindness in the world, and we need to come from a place of abundance. And the good people must stand up against evil.

Salute,

Tony V.

All of this ^^^^
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:16:09 PM
Try being nice when you have shit thrown at you from every direction
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:18:48 PM
If he didnt have to worry so much about his image and elections Trump would be even more "nasty"

I hear our good friend Jim Acosta is hosting on CNN now

Jimbo Bean would be one example, Trump no doubt at one point just saying, "Hey, Jim - go fuck yourself."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 16, 2018, 09:23:10 PM
Try being nice when you have shit thrown at you from every direction

Yeah. Go ask the Obamas...
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: LarryBnDC usetab Knicks12 on August 16, 2018, 09:26:18 PM
He is GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY!

These guys are - figuratively speaking - whacking potential witness before the hearings start.



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-gears-up-to-strip-more-clearances-from-officials-tied-to-russia-probe/2018/08/16/341fe418-a165-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-gears-up-to-strip-more-clearances-from-officials-tied-to-russia-probe/2018/08/16/341fe418-a165-11e8-93e3-24d1703d2a7a_story.html)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 16, 2018, 09:30:11 PM
Pay site, cable guy
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 16, 2018, 09:57:37 PM
It basically says your boy is a flailing infant. His attempts to discredit his accusers are failing. He is a hapless idiot who will go down in flames. Just your basic unbiased reporting about the sick monster in the White House.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 16, 2018, 11:40:14 PM
Try being nice when you have shit thrown at you from every direction
Obama managed it. So did Bush, Clinton, Bush,.Reagan... all managed civility.. A classless asshole is a classless asshole in all circumstances.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 01:29:54 AM
Try being nice when you have shit thrown at you from every direction

"Little Marco"
"Crooked Hillary"
"Lying Ted"
"Low Energy Jeb"
"Crazy Bernie"
"Sleepy Chuck Todd"
"Crazy Megyn"

When you are throwing shit in every direction and have been for years, you should not be surprised when shit starts coming back your way.

Those were only from before his election - he's done a bunch more since. The Chuck Todd nickname goes back to 2011, I believe.

Add to those his racial epithets and insults and you have an equal opportunity target!
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 01:46:27 AM
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/houses-proposed-budget-bill-will-devastating-effects-millions-social-security-benefits (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/economy/making-sense/houses-proposed-budget-bill-will-devastating-effects-millions-social-security-benefits)

The House GOP has declared war on our elderly and disabled.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 01:54:53 AM
Meanwhile, in further fiscal insanity:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/trump-military-parade-expected-to-cost-80-million-more-than-estimated.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/16/trump-military-parade-expected-to-cost-80-million-more-than-estimated.html)

I have to confess, it's only $50-60 million more than I estimated.

"Only."
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 02:05:24 AM
And about that oh-so-wonderful economy:

Quote
U.S. average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation fell 0.2 percent in July from a year earlier, data released on Friday showed, notching the lowest reading since 2012.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 02:37:39 AM
Party of Stupid:

(https://scontent.fbed1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/38072212_300805677145603_5403386299400847360_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=e387138e03915beeff68dd1817b59af0&oe=5BFC8398)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 17, 2018, 03:09:00 AM
It is no wonder the GOP is doing everything in its power to sweep “Lyin” Brett Kavanaugh’s professional record under the rug. Barely anything has come out yet and already he’s been found to have given criminally false testimony at his last confirmation hearing. He may have to wait till his prison term his up to do any more judging, high or low. He needs to be drummed out of the legal profession, not promoted.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 17, 2018, 03:09:47 AM
And about that oh-so-wonderful economy:

Quote
U.S. average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation fell 0.2 percent in July from a year earlier, data released on Friday showed, notching the lowest reading since 2012.

Red won’t believe it’s happening.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 03:21:03 AM
And about that oh-so-wonderful economy:

Quote
U.S. average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation fell 0.2 percent in July from a year earlier, data released on Friday showed, notching the lowest reading since 2012.

Red won’t believe it’s happening.

Or at least he won't admit to believing it.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: facilitatorn on August 17, 2018, 03:45:55 AM
Apparently Omarosa was the talent in 45’s Comms shop. She’s picking up right where Avanatti left off. The fully lawless actors of trump world brining their slime to the heart of our Fedral Government.

Trump needs to be driven mad with all his friends and family convicted and incarcerated. That would be an accomplishment signifying America’s continued good faith and resilience.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 17, 2018, 09:40:14 AM
Pay site, cable guy

One would think news of POTUS attempting to compromise potential witnesses in a federal investigation would compel any person in a good faith discussion of the Trump administration to at least go find a news source and learn what's happening.    Do you have reason to think Trump is NOT doing this? 
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 17, 2018, 10:02:16 AM
And about that oh-so-wonderful economy:

Quote
U.S. average hourly earnings adjusted for inflation fell 0.2 percent in July from a year earlier, data released on Friday showed, notching the lowest reading since 2012.

No, no, no.  You have it all wrong.  Executive just got a 17% pay raise over the last year.  Their pay is up 72 percent or $7.8 million since 2009 (worker comp up 2%, a little over $1,000, during that period).  CEO's now make 312 times their average worker.

So everything is going to plan! 

And with Republican super PAC's racking in the cash thanks to those tax cuts (Ryan's super PAC apparently has over $100 million ready to play for the 2018 House Races) the Billionaires will fight to make sure Trump's "populist" economy stays right where it is.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: luee on August 17, 2018, 10:03:15 AM
Mr. Fitzgerald ran for Congress in California as a Democrat in 2010 and 2012, but did not receive the party’s endorsement in either case. He is running as a Republican in November but said he identifies more as an independent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/us/politics/john-fitzgerald-holocaust-denial.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/us/politics/john-fitzgerald-holocaust-denial.html)
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 17, 2018, 10:03:24 AM
Pay site, cable guy

One would think news of POTUS attempting to compromise potential witnesses in a federal investigation would compel any person in a good faith discussion of the Trump administration to at least go find a news source and learn what's happening.    Do you have reason to think Trump is NOT doing this?

Smartest guy on the forum apparently doesn't know how to open a pay link in an incognito window.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Driver125 on August 17, 2018, 10:43:50 AM
TRUMP WORLD
Great week of watching on TRUMP WORLD…..
First of a all the Great Orange Asshole thinks that he has slipped the knife into Omarosa and made a clean getaway—"Gee, Omarosa, I hear that you are leaving us….what happened?" (Only someone as dumb as Trump would have fallen for an explanation like that…) It’s my guess that someone around him mentioned that she was making $180K/year…."What? We’re paying her $180 thousand dollars a year? For what? She doesn’t do anything….Do we need a $180 thousand dollar a year Token? In my opinionI Dr. Carson covers our Token Quotient quite nicely, thank you. Let’s get rid of her…..” “Besides, we can use her slot for someone else….like Tiffany…..she needs a job….”
So Trump has his dupe, Gen. Kelly do the job on her (to Kelly’s huge enjoyment, no doubt…) and it looks like it's a done deal to the Trumpeter. Then, out of nowhere, a big black bat (formerly known as Omarosa) drops down out of the rafters and starts fluttering around his head, getting stuck in his ridiculous hairdo and, in general, ruining Trump’s day completely….
“Who is responsible for this? I told you that we didn’t need any Negroes in the White House. Why the hell do you think that they call it the White House? Of course nobody dared to tell the minotaur that it was his idea to bring Omarosa into the White House. And now, worse than anything, the dumb dog shows that she was paying close attention to the Orange Asshole back in the day….she has recordings from inside the WH!!! “Quick! Get me Rudy! Call Jeff Sessions! Maybe Jeff can have her arrested!….Perhaps Rudy has some friends back in New York that will kill her for the right price….”
Tune in next week as the Trumpeter moves inexorably toward resignation.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: josh on August 17, 2018, 11:10:51 AM
Mr. Fitzgerald ran for Congress in California as a Democrat in 2010 and 2012, but did not receive the party’s endorsement in either case. He is running as a Republican in November but said he identifies more as an independent.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/us/politics/john-fitzgerald-holocaust-denial.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/06/us/politics/john-fitzgerald-holocaust-denial.html)

Yes.

The Democrats rejected his BS.

The GOP voters embraced it, despite this: "On May 29, 2018, the California Republican Party and the Republican Jewish Coalition issued a joint statement condemning Fitzgerald and his run for U.S. Congress, urging voters to reject his campaign.On May 29, 2018, the California Republican Party and the Republican Jewish Coalition issued a joint statement condemning Fitzgerald and his run for U.S. Congress, urging voters to reject his campaign."

23% of the voters chose him.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 17, 2018, 11:20:41 AM
The GOP voters embraced it, despite this: "On May 29, 2018, the California Republican Party and the Republican Jewish Coalition issued a joint statement condemning Fitzgerald and his run for U.S. Congress, urging voters to reject his campaign."

Republicans issued this right before the vote...after having giving him their endorsement...after never looking into why the Democrats didn't endorse him in 2010 or 2012...because of a party rule that gives an automatic endorsement to anyone with an (R) next to their name.

As you said, party of stupid.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: NeedsAdjustments on August 17, 2018, 11:47:46 AM
The GOP voters embraced it, despite this: "On May 29, 2018, the California Republican Party and the Republican Jewish Coalition issued a joint statement condemning Fitzgerald and his run for U.S. Congress, urging voters to reject his campaign."

Republicans issued this right before the vote...after having giving him their endorsement...after never looking into why the Democrats didn't endorse him in 2010 or 2012...because of a party rule that gives an automatic endorsement to anyone with an (R) next to their name.

As you said, party of stupid.

BTW, I would bet that many if not most of the Replican voters who cast their ballot for Fitzgerald don't regret it, and will do so again in the general.  Notable not because I think they share his views, but because the GOP has become so partisan and tribal that they would rather vote for an anti-semite than a Democrat.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: kiidcarter8 on August 17, 2018, 01:45:34 PM
Pay site, cable guy

One would think news of POTUS attempting to compromise potential witnesses in a federal investigation would compel any person in a good faith discussion of the Trump administration to at least go find a news source and learn what's happening.    Do you have reason to think Trump is NOT doing this?

Smartest guy on the forum apparently doesn't know how to open a pay link in an incognito window.

I would if you'd tell me.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Bart on August 17, 2018, 02:05:45 PM
To launch InPrivate Browsing in Internet Explorer, click on Settings > Safety > InPrivate Browsing.   Other browsers have a similar menu structure.   
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 17, 2018, 02:13:00 PM
Don't you still have to pay for it?  I think that's Kid's issue, rather than hiding his whereabouts.
Title: Re: Trump Administration
Post by: whiskeypriest on August 17, 2018, 03:13:15 PM
Forget