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Title: Drugs
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 12:18:04 PM
Got any? Want to share?  Have an opinion on whether they're good or bad? Have at it.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bambu-wisdom on February 14, 2019, 03:11:57 PM
In case anyone is wondering why the drug trade is never-ending;

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/aspiring-teacher-will-do-drugs-again-despite-overdosing-and-nearly-dying-at-a-music-festival/news-story/fd95485ebaf2eabc062485709b069a26 (https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/aspiring-teacher-will-do-drugs-again-despite-overdosing-and-nearly-dying-at-a-music-festival/news-story/fd95485ebaf2eabc062485709b069a26)

Aspiring teacher will do drugs again despite overdosing and nearly dying at a music festival

After overdosing on five ecstasy tablets at a music festival, Tony Tieu is only alive today thanks to a team of medical specialists and six days of expensive treatment in intensive care costing taxpayers at least $30,000.

But far from being deterred by the high price of his brush with death, Mr Tieu plans to take drugs again at the next festival he attends — just not so much.





Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bambu-wisdom on February 14, 2019, 07:44:26 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/mexican-oxy-pills-in-us-southwest-lift-fentanyl-death-toll/ar-BBTBzA8?OCID=AVRES000 (http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/mexican-oxy-pills-in-us-southwest-lift-fentanyl-death-toll/ar-BBTBzA8?OCID=AVRES000)

'Mexican oxy' pills in US Southwest lift fentanyl death toll.

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Yes, not everyone in the world...including Mexico, Central America, and South America is a lovely person.
That's why the US-Mexico border must be sealed, tight, 'airtight', 'watertight'...so no one can just waltz into America over it...not 'asylum-seekers', not 'illegal immigrants', not 'economic immigrants', not 'scumbag drug dealers', not 'drug cartel bosses', not 'terrorists', etc etc etc.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: Anniebarlett on February 28, 2019, 06:38:43 AM
No one should take drugs, it's very harmful.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: arafura on May 30, 2019, 11:26:25 PM
No one should take drugs, it's very harmful.

It sure is.
Just because marijuana has been legalised doesn't mean it's free from the effects it has.

https://www.livescience.com/24558-marijuana-effects.html (https://www.livescience.com/24558-marijuana-effects.html)
 
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: barton on July 11, 2019, 07:51:00 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/11/us/moana-marijuana-cake-mistake-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: Costs of a CV19 vaccine in the USA
Post by: barton on July 06, 2020, 12:16:15 PM
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In setting prices, drug makers rarely acknowledge the considerable federal funding and research that has helped develop their products; they have not offered taxpayer-investors financial payback.

The Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, a federal agency known as Barda, is giving Moderna up to $483 million for late-stage development of its vaccine.

How a Covid-19 Vaccine Could Cost Americans Dearly

The United States is the only developed nation unable to balance cost, efficacy and social good in setting prices.
Elisabeth Rosenthal

By Elisabeth Rosenthal


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/06/opinion/coronavirus-vaccine-cost.html?action=click&auth=login-email&login=email&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 28, 2020, 03:52:15 PM
Here is an example of how horrible drugs are, and about how drugs steal people's souls.

When I was attending acting school in Pasadena, I was poor, and I had to live in a cheap motel on Colorado Blvd because it was all that I could afford, the Astro Motel, and it was horrible. 4 people died during the 3 months that I was there, suicides and drug over-doses. It was the kind of place where people went to commit suicide. I would be drinking coffee in the morning talking with a hooker watching the coroner carry out a dead body that the maid had found when she was doing her rounds. It was a bad place.

The worst thing that I saw, was a family living there, a husband and a wife and 2 kids. One day the husband took the kids and left so that a Black drug dealer could have sex with his wife so that they could get drugs. He let the drug dealer have sex with his wife in order to get drugs, it was horrible.

I have seen a lot of fucked up things, and drugs are a tool of the devil.

Life can be hard enough, but drugs make life way worse, and people give up their souls for drugs.

Some fellow students from acting school invited me to be their roommate, so I was able to move out of the motel and live in a nice apartment for the remainder of my training there, but I saw some horrible things at the cheap motel, and I saw the hell that happens when people get addicted to drugs.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 28, 2020, 06:14:20 PM
There is a very important suicide scene in my movie "Echo, A Rock and Roll Tragedy" and I want to shoot that scene at the motel where I lived in Pasadena while I attended acting school, the Astro Motel on Colorado Blvd. It is still there and it would be a great location to shoot at.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: Kam on September 17, 2020, 10:09:03 PM
Alcohol is a drug.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: Oilcan on December 09, 2020, 10:52:35 AM
Same with the war on drugs.
You're just funneling money to your enemies by criminalizing drugs.

The Taliban took in nearly $500B last year via opium sales (https://www.juancole.com/2020/12/megarich-organized-afghanistan.html) (they tax every stage).  US consumers finance violent Mexican drug gangs. 

Legalize and tax drugs.  Cut out the violent criminal middlemen.
Stop wasting money on policing and prisons, and use the tax money you pull in on education and addiction health care.

Good idea.   Should post that in Drug thread,  which has no posts since September.   Get a whole chat going,  without crosstalk.   I'd legalize pot and maybe peyote and other psychoactives.   Heroin,  meth,  coke,  I'd decriminalize use but still penalize producers.   Hard drugs really shouldn't become a legitimized industry.   
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: barton on December 09, 2020, 12:47:03 PM
If the chat has moved here, I'll just say that governments can produce safe, unadulterated heroin and provide it to addicts.  This approach (when done nonjudgmentally) has worked various places and has led to better outcomes in steering them to treatment and transitioning away from dependency.   Black market producers should still be prosecuted, but the best way to end their business is for government to provide the drug at a price that beats street.

Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 09, 2020, 02:03:00 PM
Someone in my neighborhood grew their mortgage, not in what they made ($0) but in what they would have spent, in 5 terracotta pots. Their only concern were los federales, because the State, City, and County do not see harm in medicinal, recreational, spiritual, or sexual use of ganja.

Oakland and Oregon are also opening the door to a door opener in the form of  Psilocybin mushrooms. We’ll see how that goes.



Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 09, 2020, 02:04:42 PM
As Oregon tries to be Portugal, as a California resident I should really turn my eye to Spain.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 09, 2020, 05:07:12 PM
http://youtu.be/wVkk6fH2u0Y (http://youtu.be/wVkk6fH2u0Y)

Winning!

(Courtesy of The Asylum Street Spankers)
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: Oilcan on December 09, 2020, 05:41:56 PM
There's also a modified form of ibogaine that could help addicts....

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/944572325/progress-toward-a-safer-psychedelic-drug-to-treat-depression-and-addiction

For addicts who want to make the move away from the monkey,  this compound could be made available at treatment centers where they're getting their fix. 
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bodiddley on December 09, 2020, 11:32:16 PM
Also - that said - you cant simply refute the link between narcotics use and crime. 

Since narcotics use has been made illegal, the two are intertwined.

Otherwise, once you criminalize ordinary behavior, which marijuana and other drug use is for many, police become the enemy, people are under threat of arrest at all times, respect for the law goes down.  You're already a criminal in the eyes of the law, so venturing into physical crime is easy.

Further the relative high cost of drugs, which is largely due to their criminal status and the risks involved, leads users to commit crimes to afford the inflated prices of illegal drugs.  And since there is a lot of money involved in drug dealing, guns and violence get involved.

Again, cut out the violent criminal middlemen.
Moreover, once you put someone in jail for drug-related offenses, the incarceration costs run about $40K per year, oddly keeping in sync with college tuition.  Not to mention police and court costs.  Drug treatment centers have to be a cheaper more humane alternative.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bodiddley on December 10, 2020, 02:20:52 AM
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serving a 90-year prison sentence for selling marijuana, 71-year-old Richard DeLisi ... walked out of a Florida prison Tuesday morning ... after serving 31 years. DeLisi was believed to be the longest-serving nonviolent cannabis prisoner, according to the The Last Prisoner Project which championed his release.

Jeez.
31 years in jail for selling marijuana.
Got a 90 year sentence (he thinks the judge assumed he was tied to the Mafia since he was an Italian guy from NY).

https://apnews.com/article/accidents-fort-lauderdale-florida-marijuana-us-news-76190f0570f1ffbd2b3b7dd788d561f0

What a misguided waste of gov't resources.
Be interesting to see what his 31 years of incarceration cost (while serving no purpose).
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2020, 07:39:10 PM
1.67 mil
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 10, 2020, 10:15:13 PM
Your mom says it’s $2.50 you owe her now. She will cut you on principle.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 11, 2020, 12:29:50 AM
Since narcotics use has been made illegal, the two are intertwined.


Use a little bit more thought

Legal or otherwise, there is a resulting cost to addiction.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 11, 2020, 12:31:27 AM
$2.75
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bodiddley on December 11, 2020, 12:53:48 AM
Stop making facile comments.

Of course there is a cost to addiction, but supply, demand, usage, addiction is pretty high despite criminalization.   Gee, maybe drug prohibition is not working, while ruining the lives of non-violent people exercising their liberty.  There already is an addiction problem, sure it will likely grow if legalization/decriminalization takes hold, but it's just going to be a degree greater than what already exists.

How come the gov't can't tell you to wear a mask, but they can tell you what plant materials you can put in your body?  What about personal responsibility?  Freedom?  Government overreach?  Extensive police powers?

Mask mandates and lockdowns are only temporary, in response to a novel health threat, putting almost no one in jail for non-compliance, and protecting the health of others/society.  Drug laws are an on-going half-century failure, extensive police abuse, throwing lots of folks in prison cages, and mainly designed to stop folks from harming themselves. 
How is any of that justified?

Try to give an honest answer addressing the question directly.

Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 11, 2020, 02:19:07 AM
If whitey has no other way of keeping the browns down, whitey can always fall back on his drug problem and addiction to seeing the issue just that one way.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: barton on December 11, 2020, 01:27:24 PM
Stop making facile comments.

Of course there is a cost to addiction, but supply, demand, usage, addiction is pretty high despite criminalization.   Gee, maybe drug prohibition is not working, while ruining the lives of non-violent people exercising their liberty.  There already is an addiction problem, sure it will likely grow if legalization/decriminalization takes hold, but it's just going to be a degree greater than what already exists.

How come the gov't can't tell you to wear a mask, but they can tell you what plant materials you can put in your body?  What about personal responsibility?  Freedom?  Government overreach?  Extensive police powers?

Mask mandates and lockdowns are only temporary, in response to a novel health threat, putting almost no one in jail for non-compliance, and protecting the health of others/society.  Drug laws are an on-going half-century failure, extensive police abuse, throwing lots of folks in prison cages, and mainly designed to stop folks from harming themselves. 
How is any of that justified?

Try to give an honest answer addressing the question directly.

(snicker)

If you do get one, it will be a glib one-liner that successfully ignores most of the points you raise. 

As for libertarian arguments, the GOP is libertarian only when it suits them, i.e. when they can score cheap points on progs.

Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bodiddley on December 12, 2020, 01:47:14 AM
There is a definite opening for those mainly on the left who believe in decriminalizing drugs and libertarians (mainly on the right) who believe in personal freedom and minimal gov't regulation to make common cause and end the half century failed Drug Prohibition regime. 

End the over-policing, corruption, mass incarceration, criminal gang profits, destruction of countries south of the US, disrespect for law, war on your own citizens, reduce racist enforcement, etc.  Recognize addiction and treatment needs as the health problem they are.

Cracks are showing.
Marijuana has become completely normalized.
Just a matter of time before it's legal throughout the US.
ORE just fired the first salvo against drug criminalization.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 12, 2020, 04:38:24 PM
Things are bubbling in the laboratory.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: facilitatorn on December 20, 2020, 01:34:08 AM
http://www.salon.com/2020/12/19/my-american-dreams-and-nightmares-on-mississippi-streets-native-son-and-jeezy-vs-gucci-mane/ (http://www.salon.com/2020/12/19/my-american-dreams-and-nightmares-on-mississippi-streets-native-son-and-jeezy-vs-gucci-mane/)
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: barton on February 14, 2021, 05:08:00 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/breakingbad/comments/lgpnwt/if_walter_white_had_a_cat/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb

If Walter White had a cat...

Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: kidcarter8 on February 20, 2021, 05:19:35 PM
Dead by 60, having no doubt killed others

https://www.foxnews.com/us/columbia-professor-heroin
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: barton on February 23, 2021, 07:57:47 PM
Where's your source on his early death,  or his causing the deaths of others?   Wouldn't a conservative say that people are responsible for their own choices? 

Illegal drugs means supplies more likely to be laced with dangerous additives,  which increases risks of OD.   Heroin,  for example, on the black market, is now increasingly laced with fentanyl,  which has caused more OD.   It can be argued that his approach,  based on his expertise in neuroscience and pleasure seeking behaviors,  could reduce deaths and help addicts take more control of their habits. 
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: barton on February 26, 2021, 01:21:47 PM
KC,

I hope you don't take this as a discourtesy, and none is intended....but what was your basis for assuming the professor would die early or would cause the deaths of others?  I've waited three days for a reply, hoping you had some kind of case to make, some evidence for your assertions.  What about my point made in the second part of my previous post -- could decriminalization help addicts and lead to reduced death?

No offense, but you seem to have a habit of saying something provocative and highly judgmental, then mysteriously vanish when asked to account in some way for your opinion or its basis.

This approach would seem to run contrary to the purpose of a message board devoted to issues of law and politics.

Title: Metformin 750mg recall
Post by: josh on January 15, 2022, 06:49:00 PM
Metformin 750mg has had an extension of its recall from one manufacturer. If you can't find it, let me know.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bambu. on March 05, 2022, 01:16:47 PM
Say NO to drugs...weed is now legal...crazy idea.
Drugs ruin brains, bodies, personalities, *everyone* knows it.
Drugs also make your teeth go black and fall out.
Drugs turn pretty girls into not so pretty girls with distorted, sore-riddled faces.
Drugs turn handsome men into not so handsome men with distorted, sore-riddled faces.
Toothless people with distorted, sore-riddled faces, ruined brains and bodies, mental illness problems and no personality will find it difficult to gain employment, housing and love.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: josh on March 05, 2022, 10:48:12 PM
Say NO to drugs...weed is now legal...crazy idea.

Tell that to the people for whom pot is making daily life possible.

"Crazy."
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bambu. on March 08, 2022, 04:41:43 AM
Say NO to drugs...weed is now legal...crazy idea.

Tell that to the people for whom pot is making daily life possible.

"Crazy."

Medical marijuana is different.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: josh on March 08, 2022, 10:53:05 AM
Say NO to drugs...weed is now legal...crazy idea.

Tell that to the people for whom pot is making daily life possible.

"Crazy."

What's gained by locking up pot smokers or giving them criminal records?

Medical marijuana is different.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: bambu. on July 08, 2022, 01:00:48 AM
Say NO to drugs...weed is now legal...crazy idea.

Tell that to the people for whom pot is making daily life possible.

"Crazy."

What's gained by locking up pot smokers or giving them criminal records?

Medical marijuana is different.

Nothing.

Should be prosecuted for driving pot/drug-impaired though, same as with alcohol.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: FlyingVProd on July 08, 2022, 01:24:10 AM
If people are going to use drugs, then they need to stick to pot, and wine, and to wake up there is coffee.

The hard drugs are all bad, the heroin, and cocaine, and fentanyl, and oxycontin, meth, etc, are all bad. Our enemies are getting our people addicted to heroin, and then they control them.

My hometown was ruined by meth. Now the people are all screwed up, with bad teeth. And they built a prison right in the middle of my hometown and they filled the prison full of people who were stupid enough to get involved with drugs.

I would rather have a movie studio, and a new university and medical school, instead of a prison, and would rather have the people be doctors and scientists instead of drug addicts and convicts.

Here in Anaheim our enemies are giving heroin to our people. Our people just need to say NO, and we need to warn the parents and grandparents, and groups such a Kiwanis can help. We need to save our people from the horrors of drug addiction.

Yes, Bambu, just say NO to drugs. But if you are going to do something, stick to wine, weed, and coffee.

Salute,

Tony V.
Title: Re: Drugs
Post by: FlyingVProd on March 13, 2024, 04:12:07 PM
25 years ago in Santa Ana, California, they had several successful programs to get the youth away from drugs, and away from crime, and they got involved with the gangs like with Homeboy Industries. They got the Youth into Boxing, and they opened gyms where the Youth could train. And they taught the Youth how to start and run honest businesses and how to be successful entrepreneurs, etc.

I was taken to a 99 Cent store in Santa Ana that was owned by a gang named "F Troop" and the gang owned and operated the store. The guys all have nick-names instead of real names, and the manager was named "Sniper." Sniper, and his gang F Troop, were running a successful 99 Cent store in Santa Ana with help from the Priests and others. Santa Ana has proven that the Youth will embrace an honest job if given the opportunity and attention and training and help.

Instead of dealing illegal drugs, or instead of committing other crimes, our Youth can be given help and training and they can succeed in America, and groups like Homeboy Industries and others can help.

Salute,

Tony V.