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Title: Celebreality
Post by: Admin on May 09, 2007, 09:27:56 AM
Paris Hilton was recently sentenced to 45 days in jail for violating the terms of her DUI probation. She and her fans are circulating petitions asking Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger to pardon her.  Discuss.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on May 09, 2007, 09:44:50 AM
Paris is milking this for all its worth.  I wish she would get thrown in with the general population instead of being seperated.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: prairiepop on May 09, 2007, 01:07:53 PM
Somehow the mental snapshot of Paris in the general pop of the tank is wondrous to contemplate.  Of course she should do her 45 days and then [ba-da-bing] get someone to write Her Story...that ought to be good for several news cycles...on the late nite shows, at Amazon.com, Paris will have a whole new career as Victim Of The System.  Her booking photo is much handsomer than that of Nick Nolte's, but they both spell d-e-n-i-a-l exactly the same way.  Unlike Nolte, however, Paris is truly boring...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on May 09, 2007, 03:23:22 PM
Maybe she could get Nicole Richie to join her and they could film "The Simple Life" from prison


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 10, 2007, 03:05:50 PM
Check out this artist's rendition of P. Hilton:

http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0936508120070509?src=051007_0824_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0936508120070509?src=051007_0824_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on May 17, 2007, 10:34:36 PM
Paris should not have to go to jail, she should be submitted to jbottle for mild slap and tickle, and released after 4-8 min.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on May 18, 2007, 12:20:04 AM
Better make sure your shots are up to date first.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on May 18, 2007, 02:15:04 AM
Check out this artist's rendition of P. Hilton:

http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0936508120070509?src=051007_0824_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0936508120070509?src=051007_0824_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters)

Hey MrUtley, you can just post the image next time. Its easy. Saves others from having to click.

(http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20070509&t=2&i=771997&w=450)


Title: Paris Hilton drops appeal and will report to jail
Post by: liquidsilver on May 18, 2007, 10:51:08 AM
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070517.wparishilton0518/BNStory/Entertainment/home


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: MrUtley3 on May 18, 2007, 12:56:53 PM
Check out this artist's rendition of P. Hilton:

http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0936508120070509?src=051007_0824_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSN0936508120070509?src=051007_0824_ARTICLE_PROMO_also_on_reuters)

Hey MrUtley, you can just post the image next time. Its easy. Saves others from having to click.

(http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20070509&t=2&i=771997&w=450)

Evidently, I'm not as forward thinking as you, kam.

Having only learned just yesterday how to put a picture next to my name.  ;D


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 22, 2007, 10:20:35 AM
95% of those polled in People magazine said she should serve her time (and shut up).  My wife is a subscriber...no really...

The other 5% said she should wear that little black thing she wore in the Carl's Jr. commercials and do community servicing...  ;>


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on May 28, 2007, 04:48:31 PM
95% of those polled in People magazine said she should serve her time (and shut up).  My wife is a subscriber...no really...

Hey, do you by any chance know jbottle's sister?   Oh, never mind....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on May 30, 2007, 07:31:11 PM
don't know the sister, but I remember jbottle from the Times...

i don't know what it is about those darn celebrity magazines.  i honestly would never even think about buying one...but the darn things keep showing up at my house and I'll be darned if i don't pick them up and look at them.

shhh  don't tell anyone


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on June 01, 2007, 08:36:30 PM
My sister is really the one.  I'm boring, I get things like "Consumer Reports" and "Swank."


Title: Free Paris!
Post by: chauncey.g on June 02, 2007, 08:32:58 AM
another perspective.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/hein/hein169.html


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 04, 2007, 09:10:19 AM
I imagine the notoriety will suit her well on the celebrity comeback trail.  Jail is like the Betty Ford Center for brats like Paris and reprobates like Nick Nolte.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on June 04, 2007, 11:41:14 AM
Well, Paris checked in last night following the MTV Music Awards.  How did she get time off for good behavior prior to serving any?

I was thinking I might cheer her up with a conjugal visit.....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 04, 2007, 12:26:33 PM
I'm missing something here?

Why are Paris and her sister famous?  ditto Jessica Simpson?  Lindsay Lohan?  Brittney?

What talents have they given the world?  who cares a shit about their meltdowns?

Paris is so dumb she didn't know she can't drive without a license?  Her parents never should have had children. 

With so much real news going on, why do the networks (and rags) spend so much time on these pseudo celebrites (or even real celebrities).


Title: Jailbird
Post by: Dzimas on June 05, 2007, 06:43:51 AM
You are taking all this much too seriously, lulu.  In this day and age of celebrity reality shows, talent is the last thing that determines star power, and for whatever reason Paris has captured the public imagination.  I'm surprised they didn't film her jail experience.  I'm sure it would have been a big television hit.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on June 05, 2007, 08:36:30 AM
If your poor, attractive, and a train wreck, you have to settle for the Jerry Springer Show, if you're rich, attractive, and a train wreck, they'll give you your very own show.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 05, 2007, 02:01:34 PM
I'm just appalled that the news show, with the little time they have, spend more time on people like Paris Hilton than on the war in Iraq and real analyses of presidential runners.  Issues like security, the supreme Court (and the disastrous decisions made), etc. are given less time.

Yes, I do take it seriously.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 05, 2007, 06:52:53 PM
I'm missing something here?

Why are Paris and her sister famous?  ditto Jessica Simpson?  Lindsay Lohan?  Brittney?

What talents have they given the world?  who cares a shit about their meltdowns?

Paris is so dumb she didn't know she can't drive without a license?  Her parents never should have had children. 

With so much real news going on, why do the networks (and rags) spend so much time on these pseudo celebrites (or even real celebrities).

You're an idiot.

Lohan is an actress.  Simpson and Spears music artists.  Hilton a jetsetting heiress.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 05, 2007, 11:26:56 PM
Music Artist is a bit of a stretch.  Pop singer is more like it in these cases.  They are all rather pathetic, especially when their "real life" problems become magnified on television.  If it wasn't for the money, I don't know how any of these persons could live with themselves.


Title: Paris Is Cryin' & Freezin' as Inmates Chant
Post by: liquidsilver on June 06, 2007, 01:23:41 PM


http://www.tmz.com/2007/06/05/paris-is-cryin-and-freezin-as-inmates-chant/


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 06, 2007, 02:39:59 PM
I'm an idiot???

You probably voted for bush?  I hope they bring back the draft and you get called to serve in iraq.

If you are joking about calling me an idiot, I apologize.

If you weren't joking, my remark stands.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 06, 2007, 03:57:10 PM
Shit - that sucks.  Now I'm wounded.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 06, 2007, 04:40:39 PM
Lulu - Have fun with this one.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 07, 2007, 10:58:18 AM
It looks as if lulu's "Free Paris" campaign was quite effective.

Paris Hilton Released from Jail, Reassigned to House Arrest
http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=264705&GT1=7703


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on June 07, 2007, 11:09:41 AM
Ridiculous.  Just another case of the double standards for the rich and famous versus the rest of us folks


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 07, 2007, 11:40:48 AM
The whole thing is a joke anyway. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Donotremove on June 07, 2007, 12:58:20 PM
Don't you suppose with all the media attention, 24/7, the criminal justice system probably figured she was more trouble than punishing her was worth?  House arrest puts her and her media followers back at her house, and good riddance.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on June 07, 2007, 12:59:26 PM
House arrest because she is refusing to eat the food -- what a great precedent for our legal system.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 07, 2007, 01:41:09 PM
>:(

Scooter Libby only gets 30 months in jail (if at all) and Paris is let loose under house arrest (some punishment).  When did justice disappear?  i think when the GOP took over and there were so many crooks, lies, criminal acts that they can't afford to let anyone (except Democrats) go to jail.

While the poor get sentenced to death because of incompetent lawyers and/or not enough to handle the workload since this administration wants to fry everyone it can.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 07, 2007, 03:09:59 PM
Throw Tom Sizemore in there, and you can make it an epic minisieries.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 07, 2007, 06:43:28 PM
>:(

Scooter Libby only gets 30 months in jail (if at all) and Paris is let loose under house arrest (some punishment).  When did justice disappear?  i think when the GOP took over and there were so many crooks, lies, criminal acts that they can't afford to let anyone (except Democrats) go to jail.

While the poor get sentenced to death because of incompetent lawyers and/or not enough to handle the workload since this administration wants to fry everyone it can.



Only 30 months?  You're a bigger idiot than I thought.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 07, 2007, 06:44:50 PM


While the poor get sentenced to death because of incompetent lawyers and/or not enough to handle the workload since this administration wants to fry everyone it can.


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Not whinin' about Tookie Williams again, are ya?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 07, 2007, 09:09:28 PM
While the major media outlets report on Paris, and Anna Nicole, they bury an American tragedy.

Do not click this link if descriptions of graphic violence and horror disturb you. 

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/)

I don't know whats more shocking.  The crime or the fact that the national media ignored the story?

Both are deplorable.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 07, 2007, 11:23:54 PM
But certainly we don't favor the death penalty.  These men can be rehabilitated, after all.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 08:15:49 AM
While the major media outlets report on Paris, and Anna Nicole, they bury an American tragedy.

Do not click this link if descriptions of graphic violence and horror disturb you. 

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/)

I don't know whats more shocking.  The crime or the fact that the national media ignored the story?

Both are deplorable.

Actually, there is really nothing to the media's "ignoring" the story.  Sadly, stuff like that - what actually happened, rather than the blogosphere version of what happened - happens on an almost daily basis.  Here's the local paper's ombudsman, a conservative voice, on the media coverage:

http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2 (http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 09:21:45 AM
While the major media outlets report on Paris, and Anna Nicole, they bury an American tragedy.

Do not click this link if descriptions of graphic violence and horror disturb you. 

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/)

I don't know whats more shocking.  The crime or the fact that the national media ignored the story?

Both are deplorable.

Actually, there is really nothing to the media's "ignoring" the story.  Sadly, stuff like that - what actually happened, rather than the blogosphere version of what happened - happens on an almost daily basis.  Here's the local paper's ombudsman, a conservative voice, on the media coverage:

http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2 (http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2)

Incredulous....  How can there be nothing to this??  If the races were reversed there would be a national outcry.  That fact alone means we have a media that is deciding what we deserve to hear and read.

This is nothing more than the news outlets deciding that we need to hear about Paris and Anna Nicole before we need to hear real news.  This story was picked up by the AP after all, why did the national media choose not to publish in their papers?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 09:24:15 AM
Kidcarter... i am re-thinking my stand on the death penalty.  These men (and woman) deserve worse than death.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 09:40:45 AM
While the major media outlets report on Paris, and Anna Nicole, they bury an American tragedy.

Do not click this link if descriptions of graphic violence and horror disturb you. 

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/)

I don't know whats more shocking.  The crime or the fact that the national media ignored the story?

Both are deplorable.

Actually, there is really nothing to the media's "ignoring" the story.  Sadly, stuff like that - what actually happened, rather than the blogosphere version of what happened - happens on an almost daily basis.  Here's the local paper's ombudsman, a conservative voice, on the media coverage:

http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2 (http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2)

Incredulous....  How can there be nothing to this??  If the races were reversed there would be a national outcry.  That fact alone means we have a media that is deciding what we deserve to hear and read.

This is nothing more than the news outlets deciding that we need to hear about Paris and Anna Nicole before we need to hear real news.  This story was picked up by the AP after all, why did the national media choose not to publish in their papers?
If there was any indication that the murders were based on race you might have a point.  But there isn't and you don't.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 09:44:05 AM
How can you say they were not based on race?  5 black perps, 2 white victims.  Would the crime have even happened if not for the victims were driving in a black neighborhood? 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 09:45:32 AM
Are you saying that HATE CRIME can never be black on white?  or Gay on Straight?  I really want to understand why you defend the national media on this one.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 09:48:38 AM
How can you say they were not based on race?  5 black perps, 2 white victims.  Would the crime have even happened if not for the victims were driving in a black neighborhood? 
Ask the sherrif.  Ask Chandon Christian's parents.  They have both said that there was no indication of any race based animus. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 09:51:52 AM
Are you saying that HATE CRIME can never be black on white?  or Gay on Straight?  I really want to understand why you defend the national media on this one.
I never said any such thing, and there is nothing in what I've posted that supports such a strange reading of my posts.  I was relying on the sherrif, who knows a holy f*** more about the circumstances than you do, who said there is no evidence of race animus.

Crap like this happens in major cities all the time.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 08, 2007, 10:37:08 AM
While the major media outlets report on Paris, and Anna Nicole, they bury an American tragedy.

Do not click this link if descriptions of graphic violence and horror disturb you. 

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/ (http://hotair.com/archives/2007/05/16/a-horror-story-the-msm-wont-tell/)

I don't know whats more shocking.  The crime or the fact that the national media ignored the story?

Both are deplorable.

Actually, there is really nothing to the media's "ignoring" the story.  Sadly, stuff like that - what actually happened, rather than the blogosphere version of what happened - happens on an almost daily basis.  Here's the local paper's ombudsman, a conservative voice, on the media coverage:

http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2 (http://www.cleveland.com/readers/index.ssf?/base/opinion-0/1179650619169080.xml&coll=2)

Incredulous....  How can there be nothing to this??  If the races were reversed there would be a national outcry.  That fact alone means we have a media that is deciding what we deserve to hear and read.

This is nothing more than the news outlets deciding that we need to hear about Paris and Anna Nicole before we need to hear real news.  This story was picked up by the AP after all, why did the national media choose not to publish in their papers?

The reason there would be "national outcry" if the races were reversed is that blaclk America (no disrespect intended), led by Jackson, Sharpton an others, sees near EVERY white on black crime as race related.  And the history of the treatment of blacks in this nation enters the fray - via the huge portion of black America that stands for (legitimately, if not always on point) "we will NOT let this happen again!".

BTW - Whisk - thanks for that link.  Good article.  I hope Malkin, who I like, sees it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 11:03:59 AM
Well, yes, kid, but then the story would not be what happened to that unfortunate couple, it would be Sharpton and Jackson are pointing out what happened to that unfortunate couple.  Sharpton and Jackson would make it news.  There really isn't anyone who made it news, until the blogs got a hold of it, and it is now being reported on because the blogs are making it news.  It's sort of a comparable route, if you think about it, except blogs don't carry the newsmaking clout of Jackson and sharpton.

See, that's what kam is missing.  Things like this happen all the time, and unless there's something unordinary about it, they don't get reported outside of the locality, unless someone tries to make it symbolic news.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on June 08, 2007, 02:42:43 PM
Whether she was a distraction or not, the sheriff did not have the authority to change her sentence


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 08, 2007, 03:05:12 PM
The story of the eighteen-year-old from Kansas City who was murdered recently surely is getting a lot of press.  One wonders why after reading about this young couple who were so gruesomely murdered.  I guess if the crime involves a pretty, wholesome-looking young woman, that qualifies it as more important.


Title: A judge orders Paris Hilton back to jail, CNN confirms. She was taken from cour
Post by: liquidsilver on June 08, 2007, 03:18:47 PM
Pretty wild


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 03:24:33 PM
The story of the eighteen-year-old from Kansas City who was murdered recently surely is getting a lot of press.  One wonders why after reading about this young couple who were so gruesomely murdered.  I guess if the crime involves a pretty, wholesome-looking young woman, that qualifies it as more important.
Well, you know, whenever a young coed like that is killed, there's always the, "She was so pretty!  It's such a tragedy" aspect.  The logical counter being, if she was ugly, better off dead.  Call it a mercy killing and go on.

The media is about what sells, first and foremost.  Always has been and will be. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on June 08, 2007, 03:33:10 PM
I didn't mean to imply that the sheriff changed her sentence, just that the practical aspects of holding a celebrity in jail may have been a consideration in the decision as to how/where her sentence was to be served.  Another consideration, evident in the decision to change the first decision, was the public outcry that ensued.

Actually in the original sentencing, the judge specifically spelled out that home detention was not an option


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 08, 2007, 03:56:13 PM
She's screaming, she's crying, but reportedly Paris Hilton is back in jail.
http://www.wten.com/Global/story.asp?S=6632651


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 08, 2007, 04:00:24 PM
The Kansas girl was a big topic of discussion at my work.  In addition to the already cited, "she was young, she was beautiful, she just graduated high school" sentiment was the "it happened at Target" aspect.  Apparently, that's something everyone I work with relates to  -- I go there too, guess I just don't think it's some kind of safe haven -- and there's a big "that could have been me/my daughter" factor.  At least, with the handful of women with whom I work, that's the case.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 08, 2007, 04:27:04 PM
Quote
She’s becoming a bit player.

Don't tell her that -- she'll start screaming and crying all over again.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 04:32:20 PM
Well, yes, kid, but then the story would not be what happened to that unfortunate couple, it would be Sharpton and Jackson are pointing out what happened to that unfortunate couple.  Sharpton and Jackson would make it news.  There really isn't anyone who made it news, until the blogs got a hold of it, and it is now being reported on because the blogs are making it news.  It's sort of a comparable route, if you think about it, except blogs don't carry the newsmaking clout of Jackson and sharpton.

See, that's what kam is missing.  Things like this happen all the time, and unless there's something unordinary about it, they don't get reported outside of the locality, unless someone tries to make it symbolic news.

Like.....???  I've never heard of anything like this happening. 

I should take the word of a local hack protecting his paper? Or a sheriff who has political motives?  Whatever the reason for this crime, it should have been reported.  Instead we get Paris updates around the clock. How are we a better society? How am i any safer with Paris in jail? On the other hand, what happened to the Knoxville couple could happen again so why wouldn't the news report it?  Why wouldn't they talk about it? 

MM posits its because the story doesn't fit into any kind of politically correct moral narrative.  But Paris... hey everyone hates her so lets talk her up 24hrs a day.  Meanwhile real news happens...



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 04:34:06 PM
Are you saying that HATE CRIME can never be black on white?  or Gay on Straight?  I really want to understand why you defend the national media on this one.
I never said any such thing, and there is nothing in what I've posted that supports such a strange reading of my posts.  I was relying on the sherrif, who knows a holy f*** more about the circumstances than you do, who said there is no evidence of race animus.

Crap like this happens in major cities all the time.

Ok so i show sincere interest in your opinion and ask for clarification and you respond like a dick. Thanks.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 05:15:09 PM
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MM posits its because the story doesn't fit into any kind of politically correct moral narrative.
I would posit it's MM who has the political moral narrative.  But you wouldn't consider that a possibility, now would you - though of course an ombudsman reporter, whose job is to fairly deal with public complaints and who has often been critical of his paper's coverage, and the chief law enforcement official in the jurisdiction - oh, they are biased.  But this conservative talking head, tells the straight story.


 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 05:15:34 PM
Are you saying that HATE CRIME can never be black on white?  or Gay on Straight?  I really want to understand why you defend the national media on this one.
I never said any such thing, and there is nothing in what I've posted that supports such a strange reading of my posts.  I was relying on the sherrif, who knows a holy f*** more about the circumstances than you do, who said there is no evidence of race animus.

Crap like this happens in major cities all the time.

Ok so i show sincere interest in your opinion and ask for clarification and you respond like a dick. Thanks.
You ask a question like a dick, you get treated like a dick.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 05:23:14 PM
I asked what had to be there to prove a Hate Crime.  I wanted clarification.  I said I really want to understand why you defend the national media. 

So just chill with your PMS reactions.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 05:30:03 PM
What is it about heinous black-on-white crime that isn't newsworthy?  Because it happens all the time? No.

I think the media is too afraid of the reaction to the story.  They don't want to start more racial friction. But let me ask whats worse:  Local handgun sales going through the roof in those neighborhoods or sharing the word nationally that something bad went down?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 05:35:35 PM
Who will defend the media on ignoring real news like this, while at the same consuming the airtime and webpages devoted to Paris and Anna Nicole?  Please step up.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
No, you implied that I took the position that black on white couldn't be a hate crime.  A hate crime is when race (for isntance) is the reason for the crime.  Economic crime doesn't become a hate crime jsut because the races are different.

The media did not jump on the story because there was no story to jump on.  It's a local police story.  Tragedy.  Particularly vicious.  Perps caught.  Big news in Tennessee, not so big in Kentucky, let alone New York.  Tomorrow is another day.

What do you think should happen at the NY Times?  "Holy smokes!  Did you see this AP story?  Two people in Tennessee were killed!  Woodstien!  Bernward!  Yer on it!  Go to Tennessee and don't stop until you bring the sotry home!  Spare no expense!"  Nope.  Bored editor gets the story.  "Two people killed in Tennessee.  Do we got space?  No?  Anything different about it except the viciousness?  No?  Just let it run on the web ticker.  People in the East Village or Queens are going to be more interested in that trash handling story.  Hell they probably don't even know where Tennessee is.:

THAT'S why the main stream media doesn't hadle the story.  There was no point of local interest to it.  How many murder stories from Tennessee do you think the NYT covers, on average, in a given year?  If they report on any it's a paragraph blurb.  This story was never different until bloggers with a race agenda got ahold of it.

 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 05:41:32 PM
No, you implied that I took the position that black on white couldn't be a hate crime.

I asked.. i said "Are you saying that...."  I didn't attribute it to you. Thats crazy.

Its a story whenever someone is murdered and apparently tortured.  That to me qualifies as News.  What passes for the news today pisses me off.  Why didn't at least ONE major mainstream news outlet cover the story?  Why do all the major news broadcasts look the same? Why do they all serve us our daily ration of nonsense fluff like Paris Hilton?  Why is Paris newsworthy?  Rich people are arrested all the time, right?  Paris is newsworthy for one reason, because the news reports on her.

What they choose to give us, is all we ever get to eat.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 05:44:44 PM
Who will defend the media on ignoring real news like this, while at the same consuming the airtime and webpages devoted to Paris and Anna Nicole?  Please step up.
Why is it that the profit motive is so hard to understand?  What do you think sells the most papers or attracts the most viewers:  Couple Murdered in Tenessee, or Hilton Jailed Again?  Why on earth wouldn't you think the profit motive works in newspapers?

Oh, because someone with a clear up front agenda to criticize anything left of Amon Goeth says its part of the MSM's bias.  Well, there you have it.

Local paper ran for weeks on a story about an African American who shot and killed a jeuvenille who was trying to rob him.  Big story locally because the guy who killed the kid had a concealed carry permit, and it was the first time a concealed carry weapon was used in a killing, albeit a justifiable one, and some of the dead kids friends were upset.  Lots of interesting issues raised and reported on.  Coverage in the NYT?  Nope.  Is it because the NYT is trying to avoid stories or slant reporting leftword?  Nope.  it's because no one in New York is going to buy a single paper or watch a minute of news coverage because of it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 06:05:04 PM
if thats true, SHAME on the people of New York.

But we were never given a chance to show our lack of interest, someone made the decision not to include it in the paper.

And any news person who thinks covering Paris Hilton is going to give them a journalistic or economic dvantage over the other news outlets is nuts.  SportsCenter on ESPN just opened with Paris Freakin Hilton.  SPORTS CENTER!

What does she have to do with SPORTS?

The media is loathsome.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 06:05:21 PM
It is at this point that I should note that Criterion's release of Billy Wilder's brilliant, acerbic, cynical and surprisingly still fresh and apt look at the ways in which the media creates stories and covers the stories of their own creation, Ace in the Hole, will hit the streets on July 17.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 06:09:25 PM
if thats true, SHAME on the people of New York.

But we were never given a chance to show our lack of interest, someone made the decision not to include it in the paper.

And any news person who thinks covering Paris Hilton is going to give them a journalistic or economic dvantage over the other news outlets is nuts.  SportsCenter on ESPN just opened with Paris Freakin Hilton.  SPORTS CENTER!

What does she have to do with SPORTS?

The media is loathsome.
I suspect that there is enough brutal crime in Queens that gets reported locally - much of it black on white - that what happens in Tennessee is not going to be of any real special interest.

What do you think - a newspaper covers EVERYTHING that comes off the wires?  There are, what, a thousand murders in this country every year.  99% are not going to be reported in any specific newspaper, because a newspaper is not an omnibus over everything, every where.  That's why they have people called "Editors."  How was the NYT supposed to know that agenda reeking blogs and talking heads were going to jump on the story five months later?  They treated it like every other out of town double homicide.  EVERY other one.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 06:13:39 PM
There are what?  10s if not 100s of major newspapers and media outlets.

ONE would be a start.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 06:17:49 PM
How many murders are quintuple homicides that involve carjacking and robbery?? 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_Massacre)

How many murders are conspired by 5 people on two complete strangers?

Yes, there are thousands of murders.  Not all of them need national coverage.

But who gets to decide which ones get the coverage?  And what makes any particular one worthy?

And what does it say about US that they keep serving us Paris Hilton.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 06:18:49 PM
It was heavily covered as a local story by the local papers.  Since it went out on the AP, I assume other papers picked it up and gave it a column inch or so as filler.  The others made an editorial news decision not to give it space because there was no reason to.  In other words, it was treated like a regular double homicide sotry because that is what it was.  If there was some element that made it a hate crime, it would have gotten coverage.  No one considered it a hate crime until the blogs with race agendas got to it - it was a local crime story treated precisely like every other local crime story.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 06:31:45 PM
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But who gets to decide which ones get the coverage?  And what makes any particular one worthy?
Newspaper editors.  And note that there was no massive coverage of this particular event in any of the conservative papers, either.  Was it covered in the Washington Moonie?  The Daily News?  The Detroit News?  Was it a focal point of a Bill O"Rielly report?  Show up regulalry on Faux news?  Nope.  And for the same reason it wasn't covered in the NYT: because their editors saw the story and did not think it would spark enough interest in to give it more than a paragraph or an inch of coverage, if that.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 06:32:45 PM
Well seems they were very wrong about the lack of interest, wouldn't you say?

Its seems to me that it was a hate crime.  Perhaps I am too inclusive in what constitutes a Hate Crime.  Maybe there were no racist slogans spray painted on the walls, but to treat the victims in that manner there must have been some kind of extra grudge.  Thats my take. 

I think this is the precise reason why the story was buried. They don't want us talking about black hate crimes on white people. America doesn't want to confront that there are blacks who hate whites just like there is a KKK that hates blacks and jews. The only hate crimes you will see in the media are white on black or straight on gay etc. The fact is, the white liberal guilt in the media allows us to romanticize about the evil KKK but we have no counterpoint for black on white crime.  Its not made a big deal of. 

Look at England.  They're trying to do the same with Muslim crime.  Marginalize it.  But make a big deal out of crimes where Muslims are the victims.  Its a retarded form of racism.

Report everything. Thats why there are so many damn channels.  Let us decide what sells.  People are itching to talk about race in this country but the media will only talk about race when it fits an agenda.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 06:40:57 PM
Well seems they were very wrong about the lack of interest, wouldn't you say?
No.  There really isn't that much interest in the story outside of the blogs and their readers.

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Its seems to me that it was a hate crime.  Perhaps I am too inclusive in what constitutes a Hate Crime.  Maybe there were no racist slogans spray painted on the walls, but to treat the victims in that manner there must have been some kind of extra grudge.  Thats my take.
Well, now, much of the story has been exaggerated in the blogs, so keep that in mind.  But the people investigating the murders see no reason to think that race was a motive behind the crime.  And just because you wish it were otherwise does not make the sherrif and the police biased.

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The fact is, the white liberal guilt in the media allows us to romanticize about the evil KKK but we have no counterpoint for black on white crime.  Its not made a big deal of. 
So why does white liberal guilt prevent the story from being printed in Murdoch owned papers?  In the Washington Times?  On Faux News?

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Report everything. Thats why there are so many damn channels.  Let us decide what sells.  People are itching to talk about race in this country but the media will only talk about race when it fits an agenda.
EVERYTHING?  How big a newspaper do you think it will take to print every crime story?  1000 pages a day?  Don't be silly.  Every news organ has to filter it out.

Oh yeah, the media and its agenda.  Like the bloggers and right wing people who have made this an issue didn't have one, right?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 06:56:51 PM
EVERYTHING?  How big a newspaper do you think it will take to print every crime story?

A)Thats why newspapers are going the way of the dinosaur. 

B)I didn't say that. Not every news-paper has to report every crime, but on TV we have the capability. Onlline we have the capability....

C) this wasn't a NORMAL murder where 'man stabs man' end of story.  Report this kind of abnormal stuff... its news! 



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 08, 2007, 06:59:00 PM
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Onlline we have the capability....
And it was available on line, right?  The AP, the Tennessee papers....  How do you think the bloggers got ahold of it?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on June 08, 2007, 07:48:28 PM
And hopefully we can make it to color tee-vee someday.  Just as soon as america gets its fix of Celebreality!

 >:(


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 10, 2007, 03:37:01 AM
No, you implied that I took the position that black on white couldn't be a hate crime.  A hate crime is when race (for isntance) is the reason for the crime.  Economic crime doesn't become a hate crime jsut because the races are different.

The media did not jump on the story because there was no story to jump on.  It's a local police story.  Tragedy.  Particularly vicious.  Perps caught.  Big news in Tennessee, not so big in Kentucky, let alone New York.  Tomorrow is another day.

What do you think should happen at the NY Times?  "Holy smokes!  Did you see this AP story?  Two people in Tennessee were killed!  Woodstien!  Bernward!  Yer on it!  Go to Tennessee and don't stop until you bring the sotry home!  Spare no expense!"  Nope.  Bored editor gets the story.  "Two people killed in Tennessee.  Do we got space?  No?  Anything different about it except the viciousness?  No?  Just let it run on the web ticker.  People in the East Village or Queens are going to be more interested in that trash handling story.  Hell they probably don't even know where Tennessee is.:

THAT'S why the main stream media doesn't hadle the story.  There was no point of local interest to it.  How many murder stories from Tennessee do you think the NYT covers, on average, in a given year?  If they report on any it's a paragraph blurb.  This story was never different until bloggers with a race agenda got ahold of it.

 

I'll take Kam's side here

Could you envision the 4 defendants committing this crime (the rape and murder) vs a black couple?

I can't.

Thus race factors in although it may have initially been an economic crime (the robbery).


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 10, 2007, 08:53:03 AM
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Could you envision the 4 defendants committing this crime (the rape and murder) vs a black couple?

I can't.
Why not?  Black on black crime exists, and it can be as brutal as you wish to imagine. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 10, 2007, 02:08:50 PM
Nah - sorry - can't imagine it


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 11, 2007, 12:17:24 AM
I see it didn't slip David Duke's attention:

http://www.davidduke.com/general/1998_1998.html


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 11, 2007, 12:18:23 AM
But, I'm not sure what this all has to do with celebreality.  Everyone knows that the most important story is the reincarceration of Paris Hilton.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 11, 2007, 09:11:21 AM
Okay, I confess.  I bought a NY Daily News yesterday pretty much because of the headline "Princes and the Pee."  I just love a good New York headline.  Anyway, five showers later, I still feel dirty. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 12, 2007, 09:46:20 PM
But, I'm not sure what this all has to do with celebreality.  Everyone knows that the most important story is the reincarceration of Paris Hilton.

Funny...

Was this as big a story everywhere else in the country as it was here in So Cal?

I heard the Sheriff's press conference live on the radio.  He was basically being called out by everyone from the judge to every radio host all day prior to appearing.  He threw a lot of it back at the judge for grandstanding and refusing to listen to closed chambers disclosure...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 13, 2007, 07:56:34 AM
Hell, Paris was all over CNN International and BBC.  Even the Lithuanian newspapers covered the story.  The way these celebs have seeped into the "real news" is really something.  I thought that was what entertainment programs and channels were for.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 13, 2007, 10:59:03 AM
Hell, Paris was all over CNN International and BBC.  Even the Lithuanian newspapers covered the story.  The way these celebs have seeped into the "real news" is really something.  I thought that was what entertainment programs and channels were for.

Well, my wife is usually watching those when I get hom (entertainment channels) so I can;t tell the difference half the time anyway...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 13, 2007, 04:23:09 PM
I'm so sick of this already.  The only good that came out of it is that a celebrity can go to jail and it might make law  officials think twice before letting a celbrity get out of jail free card.

Now the fuss is about how her parents skipped forward in line to see her while lowly peons had to wait hours or return another day.

Remind me never to go to a Hilton hotel.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 14, 2007, 12:12:18 AM
The thing is she should have never gone to jail in the first place.  The judge was the one responsible for turning this sordid episode into a three-ring circus, simply because he felt he had to teach little Paris a lesson.  It seems to have only increased her celebrity stardom, as so much sympathy has been directed toward her as a result of this fiasco.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on June 14, 2007, 08:55:56 AM
She drove on a suspended license on multiple occasions as a result of a DUI, as far as I'm concerned jail was well merited


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 14, 2007, 11:21:49 AM
I was trying to ignore it, but it was really thrust in our faces down here and after listening to the sheriff defend himself, I have to agree that the judge overdid it by ordering her back in. 


THe sheriff says he can pull a random 50 cases that are extremely similar to Hilton's and most likely not one of them spent even one night in jail.  It was not preferential treatment to let her out early , it was routine overcrowding policy, accentuated by her "mental" problems.  I think it was obvious that he was not on the take, because his continual referring to her "mental problems" definitely would not have pleased the family.  It has been pretty darn quite since then--at least I haven't noticed as much attention.

A local newspaper columnist this morning doing a follow up article on parents who lost all three of their children in a tragic freeway accident, commented on how the true tragedy faced by this family gets almost zero attention while the media focuses on pretend tragedies by Paris Hilton, Linsey Lohan, et al.  If you are a parent, this story could not help but make you cry.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 14, 2007, 01:05:01 PM
Why is the reporter bothering the parents of such a tragedy?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 14, 2007, 04:19:25 PM
She is too stupid or too reckless to know that driving DUI and with a suspended license, while on probation is wrong and criminal.  Obviously, the only way to get her to wake up was to jail her.

What if she killed someone while loose?   Ditto alcoholics who are not sent to jail?  They go out and continue to drive drunk until they kill someone (usually the other driver and passengers, rather than themselves).

Hilton repeatedy continued her actions of disregarding her probation and altering her behavior.

Maybe it was time to set a standard that being a celebrity does not get you off the hook.  The whole thing is one sorry mess.  I don't understand why a sheriff can disregard a judge's order, which is more problemmatic for me. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 14, 2007, 08:25:47 PM
The sheriff has sole authority over the custody and conditions of the inmates in county jail.   He was completely within his rights to "reassign" her to house arrest.   He held her in County for three days longer than the average similar offender.

The fact is she was treated differently than a "regular" person.  Much more harshly...   The "judge" has some other issue going on that I'm sure will be coming out before too long.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: tjaxon on June 14, 2007, 08:39:38 PM
What if she killed someone while loose?   Ditto alcoholics who are not sent to jail? 

Maybe it was time to set a standard that being a celebrity does not get you off the hook.  The whole thing is one sorry mess.  I don't understand why a sheriff can disregard a judge's order, which is more problemmatic for me.


I might agree if she had been arrested for DUI, but she was arrested for driving on a suspended license. Over 80% of those arrested on the same charge serve 4 days. Does being a celebrity entitle one to a harsher sentence? It seems most people are just upset because they don't like Hilton, which is quite understandable - she is a silly twit.

The sheriff does have the right to release prisoners early under certain circumstances in most jurisdictions. The state of California has built more prisons than schools for over 8 years now, and routinely give early release to minor offenders. I find it more problematic that a judge would allow personal animosity to affect sentencing than a sheriff trying to make room for serious criminals.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 15, 2007, 09:34:38 AM
I find it more problematic that a judge would allow personal animosity to affect sentencing than a sheriff trying to make room for serious criminals.



Ditto here...

and let's remember, it was not a "release" it was house arrest with an electronic ankle bracelet


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 15, 2007, 09:36:04 AM
Though, I hear the idiot was clueless enough to throw a party at her house the first night she was home...which frankly woudl tick me off also if I was the judge...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 15, 2007, 09:47:38 AM
House arrest in a multi-million dollar home with swimming pools, saunas, friends coming in for partying?

That's a real punishment.  For us peons, it would be; I would go stir crazy. 

But that's not a real punishment for her.  And I don't know what would make her realize the severity ofher offence: dirving with a suspended license (which was given for a reason; DUI offenses.  She seems to think it's a joke and everyone can be bought off.

I don't feel sorry for this girl (I can't get myself to call her a woman).  She gets too much attention anyway.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 15, 2007, 12:30:41 PM
I don't disagree Lulu...

I think pehaps you could have expected house arrest to be a fairly hard punishment for someone that is so obviously extraverted and attention seeking as her...however, it probably never occured to anyone that she could simply bring the party and the photographers to herself and didn't need to go out.


THat as much as anything probably prompted the recall by the judge and the subsequent hands off approach by the sheriff's office.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 15, 2007, 12:34:00 PM
Well there's also the part about when the judge agreed to the shortened sentence as a plea bargain, he specified that she could not serve home detention, so the Sherrif acted in direct contravention of a court order.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 15, 2007, 02:16:55 PM
I think some of you are missing the point that she was jailed for violating probation.  The standard sentence here in the Atlanta area for violating probation is 31 days and they do enforce it - my own daughter did something similar to Paris.  She was on probation for drinking underage and she was remanded to the court for failure to pay her probation fees and for lying when she took her drug evaluation.  So she was jailed without even committing a criminal offense - why should people find it so unreasonable that a person on probation for DUI who gets caught driving with a suspended license has their probation revoked?  That is essentially what happened to our Paris - personally I'm glad to see the judge treating her just like everyone else.  I don't think she's being made an example of at all.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: tjaxon on June 15, 2007, 02:29:04 PM
That is essentially what happened to our Paris - personally I'm glad to see the judge treating her just like everyone else.  I don't think she's being made an example of at all.

That is the whole point - she is being treated more harshly than most. The  sentence for over 80% of those who commit the same offense is 4 days incarceration where she lives.

I'm not defending Paris. Frankly, I am not impressed with her or her life style, and don't consider her a role model or example for anyone who lives in the real world. I do find it amusing that some of the nicest, most gentle people get so bent out of shape over the perception that she might actually get preferential treatment (which, of course, anyone with her money and notoriety usually does) when in truth she isn't in this particular case. I don't know whether it is envy or resentment, or what, but a lot of peoplem are building some negative karma over an insignificant event from someone who has no affect on their lives. Why?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 16, 2007, 11:06:57 AM
Sentencing harsher because of her actions in court.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 16, 2007, 02:36:58 PM
That stupid spoiled whore should be locked up for at least a year considering how many times she's been busted driving shit-faced.  If that dumb slut wants to starve herself--LET HER!  See how long she would really keep that up.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 16, 2007, 04:44:33 PM
tjaxson,  "HEAR! HEAR!"


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: tjaxon on June 16, 2007, 08:36:11 PM
Sentencing harsher because of her actions in court.

I'd cry to if I were sentenced to jail, and I wouldn't be missing out on near the lifestyle or percs she is. I don't believe that is grounds for harsher sentencing

That stupid spoiled whore should be locked up for at least a year considering how many times she's been busted driving shit-faced.

How many times has the stupid spoiled whore been busted for driving shit-faced? I was only aware of the one incident, though I confess, I don't keep track.

Sounds like another case of paris-envy to me.


Title: Paris
Post by: Dzimas on June 18, 2007, 06:49:51 AM
The sentence was unduly severe and only helped to draw more attention to Paris' plight than anything else.  The sheriff wisely wanted to rid himself of the three ring circus an overzealous judge had created.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 18, 2007, 02:48:49 PM
I think she drove two times after probation with a suspended license.  Claims her lawyer said it was okay.  the woman is as thick as a brick, brainwise.  I think jail may be the only way to get it through her head that driving and drinking is a no-no; neither is driving with a suspended sentence; nor is breaking terms of probation.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 18, 2007, 06:03:56 PM
lulu --

Do you remember Zsa Zsa Gabor (and her sisters)?  They don't outgrow it you know. It's a habit induced early in life that they are exceptional(ly something). At least with the Gabors, they did have some miniscule talents to accompany their looks.

Paris is obviously the "real deal". As I recall, other than the photo-ops, her first assignment was on a tv promo that might turn into a series or at the very least a  "sequel" to follow her first appearance with another girl who were visiting a farm for the summer; with the the joke-line consisting of how unaware they were out of their own environment.

That was meant to be the joke.  Why didn't we notice that Paris actually didn't have a clue.  Just accept that. She's all you see and hear. Nothing more nor less.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 18, 2007, 07:58:07 PM
lulu --

Do you remember Zsa Zsa Gabor (and her sisters)?  They don't outgrow it you know. It's a habit induced early in life that they are exceptional(ly something). At least with the Gabors, they did have some miniscule talents to accompany their looks.

Nifty work using the Gabors as an example, since Zsa Zsa was married to Conrad Hilton, Paris' great-grandfather.  Keeping it all in the family, etc.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 18, 2007, 09:51:16 PM
FRANKLY,   I didn't think there would be anybody around here who would remember who they were!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 18, 2007, 11:49:19 PM
FRANKLY,   I didn't think there would be anybody around here who would remember who they were!

Sure...Zsa Zsa made headlines later in life by actually "slapping" a traffic cop that had pulled her over in Beverly Hills...the nerve of him...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 19, 2007, 12:44:48 AM
The Gabor sisters are a good allusion.  I think Paris and Nicole's The Simple Life was more or less modeled on Green Acres.  Who knows, maybe they can even reprise the series,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0058808/

as a movie with Paris as lovely Lisa.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 19, 2007, 12:46:07 AM
"wow!" that does sound "familiar". :)

Do you suppose is some kind of genetic defect? No, that's right, the ladies are not actually genetically related. Are they...?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 19, 2007, 09:25:36 AM
I kind of wish the new poll had an "all of the above" option.  Though I realize that would be in conflict with the "most" part of the question. This will take some pondering.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 19, 2007, 10:11:31 AM
>:(

Why couldn't I vote for all of the above?

And why is Angelina so anxious to adopt so many so fast?  Seems to be a very needy thing with her.  she's adopting kids as fast as I'm collecting cds.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 20, 2007, 09:01:26 AM
Mia Farrow went through this as well, until Woody took a special interest in one of their charges.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 20, 2007, 09:02:43 AM
I suppose any celeb becomes annoying with too much exposure.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 20, 2007, 09:25:56 AM
I kind of wish the new poll had an "all of the above" option.  Though I realize that would be in conflict with the "most" part of the question. This will take some pondering.
Why are all the "annoying" celebs female?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 20, 2007, 09:37:50 AM
Because who ever set up the test for qualified road-kill didn't know of any men who weren't perfect celebrities?

Whiskey, it is kind of like the phenomena back in the Seventies when the so called feminist literature liberation took place and women who went back to school (because their kids were also now in school) would phone me and tell me that their male instructor in Literature, in some podunk small university branch, could not remember any important writers who happened to have been women.

Know your yin and yang. Yin is the dark side,remember. Yang is brilliant!           

But I think a start was made yesterday at Movies (or was it in here?) when you guys began a critique on the smugness of Tom Cruise.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 20, 2007, 10:09:27 AM
K-Fed would be on my list of most annoying male celebrities, along with Tom Cruise, P. Diddy and most of the current wave of rap "artists."


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 20, 2007, 11:32:18 AM
Of course, you know that Sean Jean Puffy Combs was a supporter of Kerry in 2004?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 20, 2007, 01:23:21 PM
"Vote or Die!" I believe was Mr. Diddy's message, which Jon Stewart made fun of to no end.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 20, 2007, 01:30:19 PM
Good to see there are lots of other Angelina Jolie haters out there.  What a publicity hound.  "Yeah, Wow - I used to be so crazy I carried a vial of Billy Bob's blood around my neck and show it to everybody.  But now I'm going to save the world.  Next stop, the North Pole.  I hear there are starving Eskimos everywhere up there."


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 20, 2007, 01:35:24 PM
But, of course, he was correct. SJ, otherwise likely "Dad". I realize his application of "common usage" is not as fly as Dave Chappelle; which is because more white people wait to hear what words P.Diddy comes out with, since he is rich. They haven't a clue.  Chappelle on the other hand talks to white folks; they haven't a clue either. Especially when he describes them as the new N...... as defined by Bush doctrine. They just don't get it. What a frail position they are in.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 20, 2007, 01:54:47 PM
des,

There is probably only one thing funnier than Jolie playing M.Perle(which may play quite well with no fun about it at all),and that was the protest by Thandie Newton who wanted the part (because, would you believe the reasoning, Angelina isn't an African-American).

Could have fooled me, well, anyway it becomes necessary to rhetorically convince Thandie Baby that she is a much finer actor than A.J. thus far; witness the fine work she does opposite David Thewles in Rome where two people learn to appreciate each other's culture, when he recognizes that she is comprehending his kind of musicianship even if she is an African housemaid studying medicine on the side.

I will have to dig out the title, unless somebody else who is into music has seen this film.

After elaborate discussions of acting to sooth the savage beast that gets hold of actors who lose a part to their competition, it turns out eventually that Thandie Newton is just as mixed race as the character she played in--Jefferson in Paris.

This is not entirely a whole lot different than how Jolie "feels", conflicted quite often; my guess is one reason for wanting a large family is not having had one when you needed siblings. And if you can afford to create a family as charitably thus far, why not?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 20, 2007, 08:07:15 PM
Actually, I do like her but was comparing Thandie Newton's primadonna attitude unfavourably to Jolie who can be quite a primadonna herself on occasion -- which is fascinating to watch.  Since I am not a fan of the new action genre, my favourite movie so far was when she co-starred with Billy Bob Thornton (which kicked off the marriage) and John Cusack and I believe they even put Kate Blanchett in there for -- Pushing Tin.

I used this example recently to explain to some recalcitrant UK residents why Reagan deregulating air-controllers was perhaps not the wisest thing imaginable because what that led to in a free for all with the airways is something a sensible person should have considered before we were stuck with it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 20, 2007, 09:01:39 PM
Good to see there are lots of other Angelina Jolie haters out there.  What a publicity hound.  "Yeah, Wow - I used to be so crazy I carried a vial of Billy Bob's blood around my neck and show it to everybody.  But now I'm going to save the world.  Next stop, the North Pole.  I hear there are starving Eskimos everywhere up there."

I prefer my celebs just squirrel away their cash and do no good for society.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 20, 2007, 10:26:28 PM
This coming from the same guy who announced on the NY times forum that he bathed Flava Flav with his tongue for $1,000.  Were you being serious kidcarter?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 21, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
I would narrow my list down to Simpson and Spears.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 21, 2007, 12:56:06 AM
 Reply #131

That movie with Thandie Newton and David Thewlis was made by Bertolucci in 1998 and is known as  -- Besieged; or, at other times just --Siege.  It has a particularly beautiful Roman setting with views of the Spanish Steps area from the open roof of the musicians household (Thewlis plays a pianist named, Kinsky, who hires a housemaid,Thandie Newton whom he begins courting. She finds this forward and offensive.)and in the later final scenes a party attended mostly by children is held in a walled garden of the household. Kinsky's practice room opens on to this garden, and we have a particular surprise during the garden-party when we hear very complex music which we assume that Kinsky is playing, only to discover that it -- well, that's a spoiler so I will leave it like that.

There are a number of great music scenes and performances in this film, as well as unusally good supporting cast among the Italian actors such as the man who delivers the grande piano before  Thandi knows there is to be a concert party.  Having thought that her employer was emptying out his music room and getting rid of all furnishings and his practice instrument, she is fascinated to see the piano  hovering and lurching above her as the  man in charge supervises the hoisting of the piano to the third floor from the street.

This is one of Bertolucci's gentler films, although it remains political and reminds us how easily we misunderstand each other's motivations in this realm, where the most important events in an individual's life take place at a distance, which makes it impossible that another person can even begin to realize how that individual has been affected, no matter how much they try to discover what the other person's life is actually like and what things really mean.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 21, 2007, 02:07:12 AM
I remember that movie, madupont.  It had some good moments in it, but somehow was too listless for my taste, as has been the case with the latter Bertolucci films.  I've always like Thandie Newton, and I think David Thewlis is an exceptional actor.  He was downright eerie in Naked.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 21, 2007, 12:48:12 PM
Missed that!

Beseiged is just another style than his original Sturm und drang...

Think back to his scenes set in Africa for this film.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on June 21, 2007, 03:23:25 PM
And Gabor's husband claimed he was the father of Anna Nicole Smith's baby. 



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 22, 2007, 01:24:43 PM

Why are all the "annoying" celebs female?
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Let's start our own poll then...

What are everyone's votes for most annoying male celeb?  We've already been making fun of Keanu elsewhere and he hasn;t really been in the news much latrely..


hmmm  no one comes to mind right off the bat...maybe that's the problem WP?

Oh, how aw about K-Fed?

You know I AM getting a little tired of Mathew McConoughey  (sp?)  with his short off on every cover  (Maybe I'm confusing that with jealousy though)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 22, 2007, 01:27:12 PM
But, of course, he was correct. SJ, otherwise likely "Dad". I realize his application of "common usage" is not as fly as Dave Chappelle; which is because more white people wait to hear what words P.Diddy comes out with, since he is rich. They haven't a clue.  Chappelle on the other hand talks to white folks; they haven't a clue either. Especially when he describes them as the new N...... as defined by Bush doctrine. They just don't get it. What a frail position they are in.

Maybe white people should have more black friends instead of trying to change their speech patterns by what black "celebrities" are saying lately...it's supposed to be the great melting pot and all that...

just a thought...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 22, 2007, 01:49:23 PM
Let's start our own poll then...

What are everyone's votes for most annoying male celeb?  We've already been making fun of Keanu elsewhere and he hasn;t really been in the news much latrely..


hmmm  no one comes to mind right off the bat...maybe that's the problem WP?

Oh, how aw about K-Fed?

You know I AM getting a little tired of Mathew McConoughey  (sp?)  with his short off on every cover  (Maybe I'm confusing that with jealousy though)

I'll second K-Fed (or Fed-Ex, whichever); and add old reliables Tom Cruise and Donald Trump.   I also agree on the Matthew McConaughey thing - there are few things as unattractive as someone who's started beliving their own publicity.  Maybe I'm being overly harsh.  But in spite of his last few movies having tanked, MM still makes good money and can afford clothing, I am sure.  If not, we could always start a drive, I suppose.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on June 22, 2007, 05:38:44 PM
Nobody is a bigger asshole than Rosie O'Donnell:  I know it goes withought saying, but it's like a Celebreality rule that is codified in stone.  In science we generally accept the SECOND RULE OF THERMODYNAMICS as established hard science, in Celebreality, there is NO DEBATE the Rosie O'Donnell is the world's biggest asshole in competition with only fascist dictators like Kim Jung Il and that asshole from Iran and Carl Rove and Michael Jackson and Barry Bonds and Terrell Owens and OJ Simpson.

"Annoying" doesn't cover it, there's like an elite level of asshole where there's a handful of people the world would be much better off not hearing about, especially the fat slob carpet muncher Rosie O'Donnell.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on June 22, 2007, 05:40:41 PM
Testing the boundaries of good taste on my trek to 200 posts, not that I really care or anything.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 22, 2007, 05:46:39 PM
Testing the boundaries of good taste on my trek to 200 posts, not that I really care or anything.

yes...

I winced and thought maybe you were inviting future censorship here...best to self monitor


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 22, 2007, 05:50:13 PM
(http://www.rachelsimon.com/images/pic08a.jpg)



What a lovely couple.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: pugetopolis on June 22, 2007, 09:21:28 PM
(http://joshreads.com/images/merch/fqm/baldwingallery.jpg)


The Perfect Couple -- Detective Winslow and Boswell!!!!!


Title: more annoying males
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 03:02:02 AM
Which one is worse?

Bad Parenting Awards:
David Hassellhof
Alec Baldwin



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 03:04:09 AM
I finally saw that photo of Paris carrying the Bible and The Power of Now

too funny


why that's exaclty how I would hold two brand new books I was carrying...spread out...with the front covers facing out so that everyone I was facing could read the titles...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 23, 2007, 08:58:36 AM
I just have one question about this posting area.  A person can be celebrated or a celebrity. But what the heck is celebreality?

It is definitely not the same thing as a state of being a cerebralist or something which is cerebral.

This has been bugging me for weeks.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: chauncey.g on June 23, 2007, 09:09:57 AM
(http://www.wfaa.com/images/slideshow/060807today/images/07a.jpg)

Under new terms of her sentence, Paris is allowed to join the army in lieu of community service.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: tjaxon on June 23, 2007, 12:57:12 PM
This will probably embarrass the Paris haters.

LOS ANGELES - The city prosecutor who condemned Paris Hilton’s early release from jail as celebrity favoritism is now under fire for a case of special treatment closer to home — acknowledging his wife was wanted for arrest for nine years.

The disclosure, first reported by the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday, is the latest in a mushrooming scandal that has engulfed City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo, who ran for California attorney general last year but lost.

According to the Times, a warrant for his wife’s arrest was issued by a judge in 1998 after she failed to appear in court on charges of driving without insurance on a suspended license in an unregistered car.


This is the same dude who publicly chided the sheriff for Hilton's early release, complaining of favoritism, even though Hilton's time served is already well past what the usual sentence for driving on a suspended license brings. Maybe he figures living with him for the last nine years is as good as house arrest...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: chauncey.g on June 23, 2007, 01:36:07 PM
A public servant failed to uphold the law? What's up wit' dat?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 02:03:52 PM
I just have one question about this posting area.  A person can be celebrated or a celebrity. But what the heck is celebreality?

It is definitely not the same thing as a state of being a cerebralist or something which is cerebral.

This has been bugging me for weeks.

not sure if you were kidding or not...

I read it as playing along with the trend of the last 10 or so years of blending more than one word into a new one...   somethign Disney did decades ago with "Imagineering"  the blending of Imagination and engineering.

In this case  celebrity and reality   -- though its not quite as elegant as most...



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on June 23, 2007, 02:05:35 PM
thanks tjaxon...that was intersting info

I'm sure much more will come out...now that he's ticked off the sheriff


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 25, 2007, 08:47:58 AM
I finally saw that photo of Paris carrying the Bible and The Power of Now

too funny

They say prison does strange things to you.  I suppose that is true of celebrities as well.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 25, 2007, 10:58:19 AM
trojanhorse, re:#154

How obtuse of me.   Of course: "celeb reality".


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 25, 2007, 11:25:10 AM
I'm thinking Paris and Martha should get together for a prison reality show, exchanging notes, recipes, that sort of thing.  It should go over big in this world of celebrity-obsessed audiences.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on June 25, 2007, 11:39:17 AM
I guess Martha would be the more butchy one in the relationship. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on June 25, 2007, 11:43:55 AM
I'm thinking Paris and Martha should get together for a prison reality show, exchanging notes, recipes, that sort of thing.  It should go over big in this world of celebrity-obsessed audiences.
Oh I can see Paris's recipes.  "Tell the cook you want Chicken Marsala."


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 25, 2007, 11:47:24 AM
I guess Martha would be the more butchy one in the relationship. 

Yea, it would be kind of like Monster.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: chauncey.g on June 25, 2007, 11:49:11 AM
I'm thinking Paris and Martha should get together for a prison reality show, exchanging notes, recipes, that sort of thing.  It should go over big in this world of celebrity-obsessed audiences.
Oh I can see Paris's recipes.  "Tell the cook you want Chicken Marsala."

Tom Sizemore could play the cook.

"If you dont like it, try my Chicken Kiev. Just give me one more chance."


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 25, 2007, 11:51:54 AM
I dunno, Martha's pretty maternal, earth mother-y, and I could easily see Paris going all dominant.  Maybe they could alternate, odd and even days or something, keep things equitable.


Tom Sizemore as cook = genius!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: chauncey.g on June 25, 2007, 11:53:18 AM
I got my moments... few and far between, but i got 'em ;-)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 25, 2007, 01:15:24 PM
I'm thinking Paris and Martha should get together for a prison reality show, exchanging notes, recipes, that sort of thing.  It should go over big in this world of celebrity-obsessed audiences.


Yes, but, dzimas, are you absolutely positively sure we aren't watching it already. I mean, where are we?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 26, 2007, 04:21:33 AM
Paris is now bigger than ever:

http://omg.yahoo.com/paris-hilton-released-from-l.a.-jail/news/646

I guess she has the judge and prosecutor to thank for it.  She must have had 5-star accomodations judging by the price tag.


Title: As the World Turns....
Post by: liquidsilver on June 26, 2007, 08:45:46 AM
Paris Hilton prosecutor under LA ethics probe

http://uk.reuters.com/article/wtMostRead/idUKN2247393620070622


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 26, 2007, 10:58:59 AM
Paris is now bigger than ever:

http://omg.yahoo.com/paris-hilton-released-from-l.a.-jail/news/646

I guess she has the judge and prosecutor to thank for it.  She must have had 5-star accomodations judging by the price tag.


No. I think that is what the American tax-payers are getting shafted for their own incarceration.  I read this morning before arriving here that she was put in solitary confinement; now this does not generally mean a one room suite at the end of the corridor with harlequin patterned flooring for your privacy. Nor does the diamond patterned cross-hatched window guard exactly reassure an hysteric that her valuables are just being provided safe-keeping. 

Generally this stipulation between court and hospital is the proceedure for establishing what ails citizen-patient who is put under observation by these conditions.

If you'll forgive me I just received time-out myself at gateway go back or whatever when trying to carry a next reply to my previous thoughts on the abortion issue, and I ended up with Napoleon escaping from Elba. It was a great reminder from the past. I was always more Napoleonic than for Bourbon Restoration but you know -- you just can't hang around in a bad scene whether it is Europe or a forum.  If I get back to this Campaign Issue, shall mention Napoleon's gifts to Elba in the way of hospital reforms.

Meanwhile back to Paris and Freedom. Her shots this morning were very healthy.  Like the rest of the public, I was fooled by the inanity into believing she was a lot younger than she is at 26 which is a great marriageable age with the right producer.

I immediately noticed she was wearing what was described as a "braided ponytail" hair do. In my day, it was described as "Russian dancer" and we had to be careful that it not whip around in hit us in the eyes on every tour jete. I really feel she was doing her hair that way because that's what you generally do when getting out of jail or hospital from a long stay of 36 days or was it merely 21, at the risk of sounding like Paris Hilton? You don't have much choice; but as long as you have that one elastic to tie your braid after the use of a hair-brush. Cool. 

It appeared that she was trying to hold hands on the left with her Los Angelena guard as on the right with her attorney but the guard just glared at her throughout the photo-opportunity.  Pictures do not say better than thousand words; they are so equivocal.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2007, 11:04:40 AM
Dude - where are you from?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 26, 2007, 11:18:43 AM
C'est moi, Dude. Oh, you kid, I am not a Dude.  Have you ever  been to California?  I know that the first time that I pulled into the L.A. depot, the dream of millions, I was in heaven but, when you pull out of there in the car, the first thing you see is what had been Dick Thornburgh's home-plate, or the first skyscraper on the horizon in case the enemy ever wants to get us again, notorious municipal jail house rock familiar from the fantasie of the O.J.Simpson trials.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2007, 11:32:19 AM
Cali?

Wow, was I off!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kitinkaboodle on June 26, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
And regarding PH's "do", not that anyone really cares a rats-ass, but that "braided pony-tail"?  It's not hers.  Well, it's hers, but it's not hers...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 26, 2007, 12:01:24 PM
Good GOD, man - NO!!!!!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 26, 2007, 12:36:23 PM
God.  What is there to talk about now that Paris Hilton is out of jail?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 26, 2007, 12:47:13 PM
Well, Lindsay Lohan's still in rehab, Britney Spears and her mom are feuding, and Nicole Richie may go to jail.  Plus, apparently Screech is a real idiot.  And I didn't mean to leave Tom Sizemore out -- he's headed to the big house too.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 26, 2007, 02:46:39 PM
I always did think you would be something of a controversial character, caclark.   ;)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 26, 2007, 03:05:58 PM
Right you are - I've always had a feeling she would live to regret being such a publicity hound.  I have to admit that I thought she looked awfully cute this morning sans makeup, just smiling naturally rather than striking one of her "that's hot" poses.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 26, 2007, 06:19:35 PM
SANS MAKEUP?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 26, 2007, 11:20:02 PM
Who knows?  Maybe Paris will find religion, Scientology perhaps, get married, raise a family, be a dutiful mom and wife.  Prison may have taught her a lesson.  Nah!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 26, 2007, 11:37:15 PM
Paris never really bothered me the way other celebreals bothered me.  She doesn't go around condemning others the way Tom Cruise does, or have a statue made herself naked and pregnant as Britney Spears did, or isn't a complete idiot like Tom Sizemore.  She is pretty much what she is, or atleast that is the way she comes across.  I think she is probably a lot smarter than she looks, it is just that the dumb blonde image suits her.  I can only take so much of her, as I can any celebreal, and I feel fortunate being far away from the madding crowd when it comes to this fawning over celebreals.  Not that the media doesn't do it here with the local celebs in Lithuania, but I just can't take any of it seriously.  The idea of waiting all night for Paris to come out of prison.  Do these people have any lives of their own?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 27, 2007, 11:20:57 AM
They're mostly teenage girls, dzimas.  Teenage girls have a life of their own, but it's a far cry from what we consider a life.  Of course, they all think their elders need to "get a life", just as we did when we were young.

My 23-year-old daughter is starting to mature a bit and lose interest in these types, although she does occasionally buy an "US" magazine.  I guess hero worship a part of growing up for lots of kids, and unfortunately there are no heros anymore, just egocentric celebrities.  My question is why news programs (one group of news shows that are very guilty are the MSNBC shows like Tucker, Chris Matthews, etc) bother to cover this stuff, even jokingly.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 27, 2007, 11:30:49 AM
Didn't somebody say that this kind of coverage is called "Fark"?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 28, 2007, 12:42:57 AM
Fortunately, my teenage daughter (19) has no interest in Paris.  I thought Paris would appeal more to boys, with those bedroom eyes.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 28, 2007, 12:46:36 AM
I remember camping out one night for Florida-Georgia tickets.  There were only so many they sold to students and you could fetch a pretty high price for them from alums anxious to go to the "World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party."  It was kind of fun actually, we made it into a party.  I suppose one could do the same waiting for a glimpse of Paris.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 28, 2007, 09:21:09 AM
This whole celebreality thing got me thinking of Cheryl Lynn's disco hit, To Be Real,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoXvDleWJ5U

Sometimes I wonder if these celebrities are nothing more than androids trying to experience real human emotions, although I don't think that was what the song was about.

Also reminded of the exchange between Woody Allen and Julliete Lewis in one movie, where he responded to her query about life imitating art.  No, he said, life imitates bad television.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 28, 2007, 11:31:20 AM
How true, dzimas,re: bad television

As to,"...we made it into a party.  I suppose one could do the same waiting for a glimpse of Paris." That's the whole point. Not the girl wonder. She goes to places that they can't afford to get into, thus she fulfills a wish fulfillment.  Paris gets drunk because there are so many new clubs, just as she said, at which your publicist expects you to arrive, and she drinks just as River Phoenix did (plus the back room, in coffee-house days, we had one affectionately named The Fornicatorium)before he ended up on the pavement with Joaquim trying desperately to revive him.

That's the upshot of being a child star or a young ingenue. People forget that Drew Barrymore (who had a lovely father named John with piercing blue eyes and who also got to play Christ thus ruining his career) was in rehab before she barely got started because she came from an alcoholic line of actors beyond reproach. The family's great star was the royal of alcoholics, which loosens you up when you get stage fright, and yet I often wondered as a kid watching those Lionel Barrymore performances and the great lady Ethel on occasion, as to why they seemed a trifle reflective in the delivery of their lines.  Of course, Lionel could toss it aside,as you've probably seen him play Rasputin opposite Ethel and John at the Czar's court; he could just chalk it up to the character.

River seemed to have a great brooding potential, perhaps another James Dean in the making, what we learned to accept in mental shenanigans from Johnny Depp but will not allow in Keanu Reave. Most kids play from their emotions. What happened with River, turned Joaquim into his fulfillment as a competent sometimes versatile actor with a style of his own. One could also say, what ever happened to Alone at Home now that he starred as Party Monster?

For the kids who stand outside on the other side of the ropes hoping to be gorgeous or dressed scantily outre to pass for fashionable, to be passed in by the bouncers, in hopes of meeting somebody who will fulfill all their dreams, they are still at an age where they identify with a Paris and just want to be like her. Therein lies the rub. They want to be somebody. Somebody recognizable. IF NOBODY HAD PAID THE SLIGHTEST ATTENTION TO Paris Hilton.... But,they did, she's an eligible bacheloress who will turn into a Hollywood wife. Wasn't Nicky Hilton her father?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 28, 2007, 11:49:30 AM
"Sometimes I wonder if these celebrities are nothing more than androids trying to experience real human emotions..."

If celebrities are androids, what does that make their fans who with more than a little help from the press are the ones who decide who is or is not a celebrity?




That's the painful part, I hate to tell Dzimas but the things that Paris said just yesterday as her oath of what she is going to do, are the things that only a publicist could invent. So as not to lose that junior crowd of the androids whose parents are either not in attendence, or busy with their own careers, or across the country in the case of runaways.  To be sure, the publicist knows that Paris has to insure that the parents of her following have the  power to affect what the little darlings see in her. Paris needs them as much as they need her, darlings that is. The Publicist is probably a parent.  In other words, Paris doesn't mean a word of it, all that will be forgotten with the writing of a check sent to one cause or another, and she will resume more discreet partying with the help of a better shrink on a full-time tenure and a personal trainer -- or Orson Welles will come along.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 28, 2007, 11:56:26 AM
Caught the clip of Paris on last night's Larry King where she talked about ordering a Bible from the jail commissary because you can't bring anything into jail with you.   Paris went on to say she read it every day and has always been religious, having attended Catholic schools, etc.  So Larry King asked Paris her favorite passage from the Bible and completely stumped her. After some nervous looking around and shuffling paper, she said she doesn't really have a favorite. 

So....
1) I halfway take back what I said about Larry King in music; and
2) madupont, you are so right when you say In other words, Paris doesn't mean a word of it, all that will be forgotten with the writing of a check sent to one cause or another....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on June 28, 2007, 12:03:23 PM
Wait - let me write this down...

MUST be able to quote Scripture to be religious....to be a good practicing Christian.

Got it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 28, 2007, 12:14:46 PM
Wait - let me write this down...

MUST be able to quote Scripture to be religious....to be a good practicing Christian.

Got it.

Well, then you got it wrong.  Being a heathen, not only do I not have a clue how to judge the quality or quantity of one's Christianity, I don't care how Christian they might or might not be.  However -- if I'd been reading the book every day for three weeks, I might have been able to come up with something, even "Thou shalt not kill"  or "the part where Moses parted the Red Sea" or something.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 28, 2007, 12:24:59 PM
I just explained over in music why Uncle Larry is a doofus. It is possible however that kidcarter is trying to disguise his androidal origins by learning passages of classic things to say in passing in this language by the approved King James version, kind of like a German spy slipping in off the East Coast.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on June 28, 2007, 12:30:34 PM
Perhaps she really doesn’t have a favorite scripture passage. Of course, if she knew in advance that Larry King was going to give her a pop quiz, I’m sure she would have been better prepared.

Okay, maybe I'm too cynical; because knowing I'm going on Larry King in a high-profile, much-publicized appearance, preparing for a pop quiz is exactly what I would do.  Well, that and expect to be called "George" or something.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on June 28, 2007, 12:45:16 PM
Perhaps she really doesn’t have a favorite scripture passage. Of course, if she knew in advance that Larry King was going to give her a pop quiz, I’m sure she would have been better prepared.

Harrie, they did a send up of that question using a recording from the Larry King show on a morning radio show this morning - very amusing.  They interspersed it with what Paris might have been really thinking while she was thinking about the questions, etc.

Okay, maybe I'm too cynical; because knowing I'm going on Larry King in a high-profile, much-publicized appearance, preparing for a pop quiz is exactly what I would do.  Well, that and expect to be called "George" or something.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on July 03, 2007, 09:35:34 AM
Flipping through the channels last night, I happened to find Kevin Federline trying his luck in the wrestling ring.  Seems the guy has now bounds when it comes to incredulous behavior, which I guess goes with the territory of celebreality.  I think this was the point when Andy Kaufman lost all respectability in the entertainment world, going after women in the wrestling ring.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 04, 2007, 01:56:37 AM
So, a grudging sort of respect, then?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on July 04, 2007, 03:45:14 AM
I suppose you could call it that.  Depends on how you look at it, but having seen one of these Kaufman wrestling matches, it was pretty pathetic.  Federline looked just about as pathetic in his baggy shorts and shaven head.  At least, Kaufman had some talent before the pinball machine in his head tilted.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 04, 2007, 05:27:21 AM
At least he had a pinball machine to begin with, no doubt, though in terms of shelf-life, the intellectually unscathed have a decicded advantage.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 05, 2007, 02:50:17 PM
Why has nobody come in here to remark on Al Gore's son? Remember the guy who along with Tipper was going to put a stop to dirty lyrics influencing youngsters.  All right, "suggestive" then is dirty now. But typical of his class, Gore's youngster was driving his Prius about 2:30 L.A. time while smoking dope and the ossifer who stopped him found lots of prescription drugs for which young Gore had no prescriptions! Think of that!  This is not a new thing as he already did rehab before he was 20 something and he's 23 now;  he thinks.  This is not really doing much for ecology, in a human sense if you know what I mean. well, what I mean...is that Save the Polar Bears is one thing, but save your fellow man somewhere in your vicinity on the freeway is another. He may have encouraged more people than ever to save money on gas, for all we know....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 05, 2007, 11:52:38 PM
Yeah, but not just "lots of drugs," but Ritalin, Xanax, Valium, and marijuana, only the last of which I consider a cash crop instead of something they make you go through a doctor to get. 

Point of fact:  Al Gore, Jr., was HOLDING, but not charged with being impaired despite speeding.

[joke] I didn't think those Priuses did 100 but then I've never been, well, yeah, I have...

I kind of feel sorry for him like any rich kid, but it seems like he got the tipper pricktease blonde version of genes, which unfortunately makes babies but prevents the human race from any graceful leap forward.

Lovely you,

jbottle


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 06, 2007, 02:10:59 AM
AG2 does have the stones to say this is the dope i'm about to smoke, and then i'm going to smoke that dope, and then I'm going to drive this car.  The guy has a Secret Service Detail, give me a break with all the pharma and shit?  I'm high and going  100?  The stare down between slayers and regular cops was like two seconds, right, [stare down, after he says who he is...], and other people who would be in regular people jail, which that brother is not...I personally would guess he was punching it on the highway just to see what would happen.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 06, 2007, 05:46:35 PM
Larry King asked Paris her favorite passage from the Bible and completely stumped her. After some nervous looking around and shuffling paper, she said she doesn't really have a favorite. 



Yup...that was the highlight.   Everything was so carefully scripted, but they obviously didn't anticipate that question.  Anyone that had just ready "any" book would be able to tell you what their favorite part is -- wouldn't they?

The only possible explanation is that her "favorite parts," she realized, she could not repeat on the air as they were contrary to this new image she was attempting to build.  She wouldn't be the first inmate that read the bible for the steamy parts...

More likely she never actually opened it though...


Title: The Inconvenient Truth about Al's son...
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 06, 2007, 05:52:26 PM
Why has nobody come in here to remark on Al Gore's son? ... typical of his class, Gore's youngster was driving his Prius about 2:30 L.A. time while smoking dope and the ossifer who stopped him found lots of prescription drugs for which young Gore had no prescriptions!

It will be interesting to see if his driver's license is taken away...and if he continues to drive anyway...and if he goes to jail for 21 days...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on July 06, 2007, 08:21:11 PM
The only possible explanation is that her "favorite parts," she realized, she could not repeat on the air as they were contrary to this new image she was attempting to build.  She wouldn't be the first inmate that read the bible for the steamy parts...

The Bible has steamy parts? I may have to investigate this.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 07, 2007, 01:38:08 AM
How odd, Catholics do it just the opposite.

Let's all tell Harrie the good parts of the books, if we can remember where the parts are. I'm too old to remember.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 07, 2007, 07:38:50 AM
How odd, Catholics do it just the opposite.


You get through the eucharist faster and just continue down the side aisle....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 07, 2007, 01:28:45 PM
EXACTLY


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on July 09, 2007, 08:58:41 AM
Song of Solomon would have been described as pornography by Tipper Gore if she hadn't known better.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 09, 2007, 12:12:36 PM
Quite possibly she didn't.  It's not included in every "edition" and doesn't read the same from approved changes made from the original language.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on July 10, 2007, 10:45:59 AM
No comments on the Mika Brzezinski story making the rounds?   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn9SWEJQnm0  

(One of Mika's early jobs was at WFSB in Hartford.)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 10, 2007, 12:38:00 PM
I read it at some point but it has by now dropped out of my mind whatever the flap was about(and I know it was a flap;I need to get input at least twice for it to stick and take on dimension in connection with something else). Unfortunately, I'm not getting the you-tube through and might have to ask the computer if it thinks it needs a nap?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 13, 2007, 01:31:26 PM
She just refused to talk about Paris Hilton on her show...why should that create a flap.   Good for her...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on July 13, 2007, 01:33:47 PM
She just refused to talk about Paris Hilton on her show...why should that create a flap.   Good for her...


I agree -- and wish more "news" people did the same thing.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 13, 2007, 01:34:31 PM
Paris' buddy Nicole is fully engulfed in her due process now as well, having won a slight continuance in order to have an expert witness ready to testify that her drug test was improperly carried out...

I believe the two of them are going to have a new show out next season:  The Sinful Life


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on July 13, 2007, 01:55:34 PM
Wait, don't tell me -- you're here 'til Thursday, try the veal. 

Nicole is pregnant, right?  So if she should become a jailhouse mama, does the baby get a tiny orange jumpsuit? 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 13, 2007, 02:36:20 PM
Perhaps we should all start wearing them, orange Jumpsuits.  Although it is not a flattering color for me. I loved a black jump suit inherited from my son after he had been a pit-stop mechanic for Augie Pabst. They are so slimming.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on July 14, 2007, 09:42:44 AM
Wow. Somehow I just don't think that when a prisoner is in labor, escaping is high on her "To Do" list.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on July 14, 2007, 11:59:16 AM
High on the infant's list, though.

In response to "who's the most annoying" poll, I would say that none of them are annoying, because none of them are interesting or worth paying attention to.  Since I am not forced to watch tv or other media with my eyelids taped open, I can just pay no attention to such individuals and be spared any annoyance.  Someone once defined a celebrity as "someone who is famous for being famous" -- probably already been quoted here -- and going with this definition, I can think of no compelling reason to delve into their lives.

That said, I find Angelina Jolie really annoying, from the fake lips to the fake French surname to the fake third world family (c'mon, do you really think those littles one are being raised by Angelina and Brad?  It's all done with smoke and nannies...)  to the fake angst ("my father made me do things I DIDN'T WANT TO DO!") etc. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 14, 2007, 02:53:22 PM
Actually, I think it would be pretty miserable to live and travel in some of the locales that Brangelina visit.  Her mother was French, but not "Jolie," and you can see why she wouldn't want to take her father's name in order to stake out her own territory.  For example, if you asked anyone 25 and under who John Voight is they would likely say "Angelina Jolie's father" instead of "Midnight Cowboy," likewise if you asked people who Angelina Jolie is then they will say "the girl from 'Tomb Raider,' right?" or most commonly "The one with Brad Pitt now..."

The whole central-casting bit of her being the vamp that stole Pitt from poor little girl next door (with $100M) Jenifer Aniston sells magazines but is just a story that makes it easy for people to hate her.  I think Jolie is genuine in her motherly love and generous with her time and money.  Is it ultiamately just to raise her approval ratings?  I think that's pretty cynical, it's pretty easy just to sit in your Malibu digs and chill, but they are going a different way.

The lips are real--the boobs are probably another matter entirely.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on July 14, 2007, 04:19:31 PM
I could be wrong, but I believe Jolie is Angelina's middle name.  A lot of people use their middle name as a surname if they change their name for professional reasons.  My sister's not a movie star or anything, but that's what she did.  So it's not like Angelina Jolie necessarily picked "Jolie" out of a hat because it sounds French, or chose it because it means pretty so people will always associate her with beauty and they can write headlines like "The Jolie Angelina Jolie" and stuff. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 14, 2007, 06:08:41 PM

That said, I find Angelina Jolie really annoying,

Yeah, ok..but her "lips" are real...  please don't spoil it for me...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 14, 2007, 08:26:01 PM
Did they ever put the James Lippman (no pun intended) interviews for Actors'  Studio on dvd?  If not, maybe the replay will favor you some time with the Jolie interview which is one of the more exasperating things I witnessed on tv. Done not long after Girl Interrupted, Jolie does things like scrunch down in her chair, and appears to be stuck in that over-blown tough girl role of extended adolescence like she could not get rid of it! Whoa.... Either that or she has an extreme inferiority complex that she can't shake by acting or physical prowess at such activities as swinging from vines and straight drops from tall buildings which looks like it is a lot scarier than bungy jumping.

But that was then, and now is now.  She knows when to communicate and when not to, as in, who is boss? Why Robert Di Nero, when it came to: The Good Shepherd publicity interviews

She flatters her old man in publicity (and I am not talking about Voight).
On the other hand, she did cut in on Brad when he was living with Aniston at Montecito.
And when not traveling all over the place with their work or their avocations, they have a terribly expensive home in New Orleans, which is almost a bad example but resulted from work he is doing with a new style of architecture for the rebuilding of housing in New Orleans so that's why the house; where, true, there are nannie-whatsits because the kids are going to the best schools in the city. And that is how it is done down there in La Bas. 
With all that on her mind, she more than occasionally looks superciliously as if she does not plan to make eye contact with you if she can more than likely probably help it.  She does that with the camera where it pays off.  Since I can't see that one at present, jbottle,barton, harrie, and trojan (sounds like a law firm, to me) have got me so worked over about my Angelina ambivalence that if nothing pre-emptive is on the tube tonight, I may tune in and watch what happens with her in a made for HBO with Vanessa Redgrave, known as The Fever, which I haven't gotten around to yet although someone recommended it in these forums.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 15, 2007, 02:06:08 AM
Yeah, don't get that fired up about "The Fever," if only because I don't know what it is.  Trust me on this.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on July 16, 2007, 12:18:48 PM
Re Jolie:  I was just attempting to select a name from Liquid's list above, and I know so little about the others on the list (and really, so little about Ms. Pretty...).  My remarks were mostly tongue-in-cheek, as I really know virtually nothing about Ms. Jolie's menage, or menagerie.   Mainly, I find her irritating for no particular reason.   


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 16, 2007, 03:33:01 PM
jbottle, re:#225


"if only because I don't know what it is.  Trust me on this."

Gee whiz, in order to read barton posting today, I inadvertently had a second chance to read what you actually said; although it may be humor personified, trust me on this, another one of our posters highly recommended this HBO feature for what it says about our attitudes toward the rest of the world.  I can assure you, she may very likely be a poster who comes at movie reviews from a different perspective than your own but she is  very obviously much more of a lady about it than I am about my film-observations.

Nevertheless keep up the good work because somebody has to keep track of the darned box office.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: elportenito on July 17, 2007, 07:24:15 AM
 Paris Hilton
 Jessica Simpson
 Britney Spears
 Angelina Jolie
 Lindsay Lohan
 
 
How d'you press all five at once?...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on July 17, 2007, 10:24:37 AM
I'd be willing to press against Lindsey Lohan.

(how does the old joke go?  something like --

COP:  Anything you say may be held against you.

SUSPECT:  Kate Beckinsale!



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 17, 2007, 07:21:39 PM
I'd be willing to press against Lindsey Lohan.

(how does the old joke go?  something like --

COP:  Anything you say may be held against you.

SUSPECT:  Kate Beckinsale!



I can't get there with Lindsey Lohan...don't find her even mildly attractive


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 19, 2007, 11:56:37 AM
So, is everyone excited about the inevitable PETA vs. Nike battle?  The boycott is imminent.  The timing of the Micheal Vick sneaker couldn't be worse, and I guess they've already produced tens of thousands of the shoes and don't want to eat them, I get it, especially if the expected market (Vick sells more jerseys than any other NFL player and he plays for the lousy Falcons, that's something, or was) is big then they have a lot of shoes on their hands, but the fight will be on between PETA and Nike and PETA and the NFL.  Not a fan of dog-fighting, but this is the kind of battle I might enjoy as a spectator.  Curiously, the heretofore tough-guy Commissioner has said he won't do anything until the matter is resolved one way or another.  The Feds have something like a 95% conviction rate, so does he really have to wait on this matter, not according to the character provisions in NFL contracts, and not really because Vick has had contact witl law enforcement on prior occasions including the pot water-bottle that wasn't prosecuted.  In extreme situations like this where you have a premier player accused of something unimaginably heinous ("nappy-headed ho's" seems quaint by comparison yet Imus was ruled unacceptable by advertisers and he had some plausible excuses like joking or being provocative, etc.), it's no wonder how the league and Nike have somehow found religion in the overpowering glow of the almighty dollar.  All of a sudden Vick's right to due process has become a very big torch to carry when it's not been so for players nobody is making $$$ on...what hypocracy.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 19, 2007, 02:38:50 PM
jbottle, re:Imus

I noticed yesterday that the Rev.Al is advocating Imus come back to us; and I was a little dumbfounded by that to say the least. To say the most, I'd have to entertain the thought that the Sharp feels appropriately vindicated enough not to deny Imus the gratification of goofing up all over again as humans are err to do.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on July 19, 2007, 04:00:11 PM
Rev. Al, though I like his personality sometimes, is of zero importance and has zero credibility.  He's not only played the race card, but invented it when necessary.  He's a despicable hypocrite, but seemingly a funny and likable guy when not being judgemental, an area where he always sounds moronic.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Donotremove on July 20, 2007, 02:39:04 AM
I'd have Al Sharpton as a guest at a dinner party anytime.  He's an excellent conversationalist.  Rev Al Sharpton . . . well, that's another matter altogether.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on July 22, 2007, 01:21:29 AM
The whole Imus thing was blown completely out of proportion to the "crime," but such unwelcome noteriety will now doubt add to the number of listeners.  I'm just amazed at how seriously the entertainment industry takes these things.

The latest Tintin saga apparently also has been pegged for racist remarks as Tintin traveled to Congo.  But, sales have soared since the book was taken off the children's shelves.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on July 22, 2007, 01:22:43 AM
Sharpton is an ambulance chaser.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 22, 2007, 01:44:38 AM
"I'm just amazed at how seriously the entertainment industry takes these things."

Dzimas, you shouldn't be. The entertainment industry obviously has a lot of Black Entertainers


Was Tintin a dog of "my" childhood?  What is he doing still here? Or, as my brother always said, the best way to get younger people to read something is to ban it without question!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: whiskeypriest on July 22, 2007, 09:46:28 AM
Sharpton is an ambulance chaser.
I resent that.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on July 23, 2007, 12:23:34 AM
Sharpton is an ambulance chaser.
I resent that.

No offense to lawyers implied.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on July 24, 2007, 05:24:31 AM
I thought one of the more successful "reality" shows was "Pimp My Ride."  The premise is great, the programs truncated to a suitable length, and Xzibit has been a wonderful host.  After so many cars and trucks, the excitement has worn off.  How many more monitors can Mad Mike fit into a car?  But, the show keeps steaming along.  I can't believe it has been 509 episodes to date,

http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1565255&vid=163817


Title: Lohan Arrested ...again...
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 24, 2007, 12:03:56 PM
This is why I was one of only two (apparently) that voted for Lindsey Lohan.  Although I have to aqdmit I almost voted for Britney...


http://orangecounty.cox.net/cci/entertainmentnews/national?_mode=view&_state=maximized&view=article&id=D8QJ16R81&_action=validatearticle


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on July 25, 2007, 02:45:07 PM
My world has been so dull since they released Paris Hilton from jail.  Thank God Lindsay Lohan has filled the gap.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 26, 2007, 11:44:01 AM
They've got to put her in right?  What she's done is much worse than what Paris did...

Her license was also suspended when she was picked up for DUI this latest time.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 27, 2007, 01:03:18 AM
I have worse news for you. Will anyone be really upset and jealous if Madonna buys Onasis' Skorpios?  Just think an island to yourself with perfect beaches; your friends arriving by yacht; the ghosts of Ari and Jackie O. howling in the Full Moonlight....


Title: Emergency call in Lohan arrest released
Post by: liquidsilver on July 27, 2007, 10:08:04 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070727/ap_on_en_mo/lindsay_lohan


Title: Re: Emergency call in Lohan arrest released
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 27, 2007, 10:23:02 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070727/ap_on_en_mo/lindsay_lohan


Wow.  Yes, I think I would consider this worse than what Paris did.  Lindsey has always appeared to have a screw loose to me -- while Paris is simply an over priviledged, overly sheltered little girl in a grown ups body. 

What's odd is that Linsey's mug shot is actually the first photo of her where I ever thought she was even mildly attractive...not sure what that says about me...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on July 27, 2007, 10:45:50 AM
It's the drugs, Papi

Like Dwight Gooden, let LiLo be a lesson to our children


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on July 27, 2007, 12:44:02 PM
Nicole Richie's sentence -- 4 days in jail.  (It was, sadly enough, BREAKING NEWS  on MSNBC while I was in line at the bank.)   Was a short sentence given so that the time will be served without any embarrassing Hiltonesque hiccups?  Yes or No; essay explaining why for extra credit.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 29, 2007, 12:24:29 AM
Okay, so I want to know if anybody here knows who Tammy Bruce is? (I know Tammy Faye just died.... Tammy Bruce looks nothing like her.) She is my new candidate for the special list of celebreality. She is a talking satire.  I don't think we will find any pictures of her, and that means I will have to scratch her from the list.  I thought she might be a comedienne at first.  Since I knew some Bruce family members about a decade ago, I mistakenly thought she might be related and I listened. Then I turned back to my computer and laughed at her monologue even while she made me mad about the rhetorical cliches of the right wing making more converts among the young,"How to be an individualist conservative, in case  you find yourself at a Liberal College." Duh? How would that happen?

Next possible candidate? Jimbo Wales. Founder of Wikipedia and former options trader. Why would a person prefer to be called Jimbo? Because his father called him that in fun? I bet his mother didn't name him that.
Fathers have a way of developing pet names.  What's yours?  MAYBE Mothers did back in the late 20s,through the Thirties, until a certain point in the beginning of the Forties when the Roman rule would have to prevail.  Any insight on nick-names for men?  Of course, around here, men pick them out for themselves.  Are they allowed to have more than one at a time.

I'm just sorry Wil Durant isn't here. He'd know the answer. He was last read looking around for the forum of exiled pondering where we were.

My last candidate was discovered today, because he wandered through The Washington Post, and was topically recorded for all time, sounding fairly lucid but hiding behind a potted palm when Flying V Prod arrived. Then he gradually came out of the scenery because, if there is one thing Tony really knows it is Republican party policy. danielthree fell for it. I have no idea why he moved from one side of Canada to the other, which would be left, but he most have thought it sounded good and that would fool 'em.  They then had a conversation about other places to live to meet girls, depending on the weather. Tony has access to better weather.  His interlocutor chooses the same places no matter what the weather, he does not meet girls since he has to stay in because of the weather. Tony remembers top-less girls to talk with when on the beach at Cannes. The Canadian interlocuter doesn't get into movies that would afford that.  What ever happened to the Toronto film industry?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on July 31, 2007, 07:17:30 PM
I have heard Tammy Bruce on the radio - but not recently.  She struck me as someone who was still learning her craft...to be polite...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on July 31, 2007, 09:18:50 PM
Quite.    I couldn't believe when I looked to watch the interaction with a bunch of kids who had been sent to the Coast to be snaggled into the Young Republicans.  She's selling her image and so far, at home, they have been told not to go there unless  you count  the vice-president's daughter.  I turned back to the computer and, every so often, she would say something that was just so faux pas, I had to turn back to the screen to see how she wiggled her way out of an impasse. I mean, sincerely, I know when I'm have a rhetorically bad day; it is far worse than having a bad hair day. Believe me. I just could not believe she was saying what she was saying about high-school, and college, and politics, conformism with college students  "wait and see"  while comparing it to some clicque
they may have experienced at their high-school.  She has a really low opinion about "other groups of people" which she can identify "easily" when she lectures; in other words, the opposite of the Democratic principle. The same old Coulter put down but without the dirty words; careful now, you are addressing "young" people.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on August 01, 2007, 07:19:15 PM
Where can this lioness be heard?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on August 01, 2007, 07:25:10 PM


I thought she was just a local talk show host, honestly.  I assumed she was just getting her start and was not syndicated nationally--not that I didn't find her interesting. 

As I recall she was a bit of an enigma:  openly Lesbian, pro choice feminist, but also pro-right to bear arms, and fiscally conservative.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 01, 2007, 08:22:30 PM
Only in America.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 02, 2007, 12:53:59 PM
TjH re:#253

"openly Lesbian, pro choice feminist, but also pro-right to bear arms, and fiscally conservative."

Naturally she was openly Lesbian,"pro choice feminist", but also pro-right to bear arms and fiscally conservative.

What she could only imply to the high-school kids  was that her mother had wanted to have an abortion thus implying that she was adopted because she had no parents (? that is a quandary)/underlining the fact that she would not have been pro-self-interest if she had been pro-life instead of pro-choice; and any further question as to right to bear arms and be fiscally conservative  would be redundant in those circumstances.

Still learning her craft and may the high-school kids teach her how it is done.  Sincerely.

I couldn't believe that CSPAN had allowed it to air in their enthusiasm and non-realization they could use the editing because it was so satirically Jonathan Swift. 

But that is the kind of enthusiasm that has me pondering about who thinks they are baiting me down in Immigration forum, since that poster has been making a practice of doing that to previous posters, setting them up and then attacking them and then claiming they just want to know where the poster(myself included) is from? Is that wise to provide them with answers like name, address, telephone number, e-mail,etc.,etc.etc.     Having many mixed ideologies in this country of individualism and party loyalty keeps you guessing.  If it turns out that
"she is an orphan", tell you what, I might send a contribution to the mixed ideologies candidate.

I'm having a problem after dealing with Mitt Romney yesterday as another celebreality and I don't quite want to move on to Rudi Giuliani defending #2 wife; but, I do have to acknowlege that wow! Hillary is looking better all the time, and I don't mean as a candidate but she has the best darn "aesthetician" doing her facials as part of her pre-restup before going to the prom as the only woman at the Democrat You-Tube coverage that I finally saw part of the night before last. I am envious.

However, now, where can I get the real skinny on Senator Dodd now that he has become so noble on the campaign stump?  We are going to have a lot more celebrealities from the political sphere this next year of Elban exile.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on August 02, 2007, 03:30:35 PM
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I'm having a problem after dealing with Mitt Romney yesterday as another celebreality and I don't quite want to move on to Rudi Giuliani defending #2 wife;


If you're referencing the tiara-wearin' puppy-killer, she's Wife #3.  Donna Hanover was #2.

Chris Dodd is one of my whatevers --  Congressman, Representative.  He's been a pretty good guy, and I guess he's qualified, but he's really, really boring.  Which isn't a bad thing, necessarily, unless you're looking to stand out in that particular crowd.  (I'll take a boring, so far scandal-free elected official any day, but that's me.)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 02, 2007, 03:58:56 PM
Gesu Christi, yes, since I used to think the young Rudi was St. Anthony with a tonsure, back when Geraldine Ferrara was running.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 08, 2007, 02:49:27 PM
Since we are still left with the same old heading to hate list, would any one care to watch Hackers on Encore this Saturday late afternoon Four-ish anybody, oh, that body would be Angelina Jolie with her old young boyfriend Jon Lee Miller, uck! What kind of taste is that; please stick with Brad Pitt for the sake of the children. Although your ex-spouse was definitely the better actor; you know who.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on August 08, 2007, 09:43:25 PM
Ms. Jolie was married to both Miller and Thornton.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 09, 2007, 12:37:37 PM
Why?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on August 09, 2007, 01:24:43 PM
I only do the fact-checking.  Sanity-checks are done down the hall, to your left.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: nytempsperdu on August 09, 2007, 11:48:02 PM
Whoa, there j, d'ya mean to say that figuring out where dwelleth fellow high schoolers met by chance after however long counts as flirting?  Pretty low threshold maybe--how long have you & sigboth shared life's journey, anyway, and what's a chance encounter with someone long ago compared to it?  I'd have thought anyone as confident about pop culture, movies, etc., couldn't possibly be that insecure re sigboth...I sure hope many benefits of doubt will be given. 



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 10, 2007, 08:39:07 PM
I tend to agree with jbottle. Any man who realized that the appropriate name sigboth works for the designated significant other does have a clue. Of course this former high-scholar also has the impression that so and so and so and so (did he or not recall her name?) is involved with a --you get to call the significant name on this one. Of course, sometimes this works  when they are a significant bother enough but usually  if this wasn't the method to your madness, the sigboth just hangs in there because they need your kind of affectionate scene-throwing to reassure them of whatever I can't imagine.

Tell me, did you like the film: Hurly Burley

               a) extravagantly much?
               b) just so/so ?
               c)  hated it  ?

I fell asleep.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on August 16, 2007, 12:09:04 AM
d)  yes, I did like it


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on August 16, 2007, 02:27:15 PM
Is anyone as sick as I am with coverage of people like Paris Hilton and Lindsay, etc.  I think it's absolutely insane that this no-talented personalities are treated like gods or celebrities.

While they got a lot of coverage, real news gets the sack.

Dumbing down of America.  Who cares about the Beckhams; let them go back to GB? 

Sick, sick, sick.


Title: Donald Trump Wants to Sign Britney, Paris, Lindsay to Celebrity Apprentice
Post by: liquidsilver on August 21, 2007, 09:10:24 PM
http://www.film.com/celebrities/story/donaldtrumpwantstosignbritneyparislindsaytocelebrityapprentice/11784156/15949763


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: lulu on August 22, 2007, 11:27:13 AM
Dodd "boring."  That has been the downfall of this democracy. 

Which is better: a boring president who actually does something to alleviate the ails of this country and who has real compassion, or a life of the party, great personality president who destroys this country and aids and abets the greedy corporate structure of this country.

How about assessing a candidate's real worth instead of personality?  Jesus: look at Bush.  He is ignorant as he;; can't be bothered reading the newspapers and cannot speak a complete sentence.  People didn't really pay attention to his record (and I also fault the press).

I'll go with the boring anytime.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on August 23, 2007, 10:27:12 AM
I believe in Jennifer Aniston's right to bare arms.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on August 23, 2007, 11:22:49 AM
Just the arms?  Man, are you easy....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on August 23, 2007, 01:31:21 PM
There was a fuzzy nude photo of her one day in a supermarket tabloid I noticed as I waited in the checkout line....I had to avert my eyes.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on August 24, 2007, 10:12:01 AM
It seems that this poll has grown a little old.  Maybe most annoying reality show?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 24, 2007, 03:09:32 PM
Protest.    Just because  some people are in denial about not being able to give up their favorite stimulus doesn't mean we should give any credence to their habit by even dignifying their drug of choice. :-*


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: law120b on August 24, 2007, 03:29:14 PM
said 'hi, frank' to frank gifford yesterday, at 55th and 5th.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on August 24, 2007, 04:14:23 PM
Law --

Are you suggesting we discuss Male Celebs for a change? That's celebrated males not celibate males.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: pugetopolis on August 30, 2007, 06:19:27 PM
Protest.    Just because  some people are in denial about not being able to give up their favorite stimulus doesn't mean we should give any credence to their habit by even dignifying their drug of choice.

Oh, you mean like Kerouac (drunk), Ginsberg (Hep C - liver cancer), Neil Cassidy (OD Mexico), Corso, etc. etc. etc.

The list is long...all the Beats dead and gone now, my dear Madame Mad.

And yet you still go on and on...glorifying them like gods...

Read them and weep, Madame Mad...

Weep your crocodile tears, my dear...




Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: law120b on September 06, 2007, 03:39:19 PM
i saw brian dennehy crossing times square yesterday.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 07, 2007, 12:31:01 PM
Who cares about the Beckhams; let them go back to GB? 


Fresh off the wires...

After his inauspicious start and injury after injury, David Beckham has decided to retire from Soccer and join up with his ex-wife's old singing group.

He will appropriately be called...  "Old-Spice"


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 07, 2007, 12:31:48 PM
It seems that this poll has grown a little old.  Maybe most annoying reality show?


All the polls need to be updated.  Who's in charge of that?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: pugetopolis on September 07, 2007, 06:31:18 PM
It seems that this poll has grown a little old.  Maybe most annoying reality show?

FOX-News.......


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 11, 2007, 03:00:24 PM
Britney was a fairly attractive young girl with marginal talent - not a strong vocalist by any stretch.  Even she would admit this.  Now her looks are fading as will always happen...

What she seems to be having a problem with right now is reality...  she has fired everyone of her advisors and doesn't talk to her family, presumably because they are all telling her things she doesn;t want to here.

My wife made me watch Britney's MTV awards performance because she thought it was "too funny"   I didin;t think it was so bad, but she definitely did not look confident.  It looked like they threw the whole routine together in a day or two and she didn;t have it memorized.  Either that or she was on drugs...

She probably should not have chosen that outfit either -- she's not 18 anymore and she's had two children...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on September 11, 2007, 03:59:59 PM
Trojan, I hear you on the Britney thing -- if Page Six is at all correct (which is a 50/50 proposition at best), Britney is primarily the one to blame for everything.  Except for MTV hiring her, of course.   Reportedly, she 1) eventually showed up at rehearsal hours late, frozen margarita in hand;  and 2) rejected the outfit MTV chose in favor of the sparkly undie set she sported.

Here's the Page Six link:  http://www.nypost.com/seven/09112007/gossip/pagesix/pagesix.htm 

The thing is, though, MTV could have stopped this train wreck.  In the week leading up, there were stories that MTV had BS on a tight leash and expected her to rehearse and act professionally -- and if she didn't, she was out.  So when she became 5 minutes late for rehearsal, someone at MTV should have called up Kanye West; I'm sure he could have put something together and then maybe we wouldn't hear him whining so much.  But MTV had a win-win on their hands:  If BS came through, MTV would be her savior, giving her the opportunity to save her career, having confidence in the plucky, if misguided, entertainer.  If BS failed....guess what?  We're all talking about it.  MTV wins.

And while I'm at it, I want to thank oilcanboyd for turning me on the thesuperficial.com -- great, sarcastic gossip website.   In fact, I may have stolen the MTV can't lose proposition thing from them -- so if I did, footnote thesuperficial.com. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on September 11, 2007, 05:50:23 PM
I think that is exactly correct.  They knew people would tune in precisely so they could watch the train wreck...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on September 12, 2007, 11:13:35 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h863nXDqCM0&mode=related&search


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on September 13, 2007, 11:01:47 AM
That's awfully mean!  Which is not to say, you know...that I don't like it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: jbottle on September 13, 2007, 08:45:01 PM
Britney just needs to find her bottom, literally, she used to have one and I can't see it anymore.

No, I love Britney, but live by the pricktease die by the pricktease.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: pugetopolis on September 16, 2007, 11:05:49 PM
(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/f23/73f/f2373fa7-f222-4248-be63-5301c258b151)

Barton’s New Girlfriend: Britney

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h863nXDqCM0&mode=related&search

Cute pigtails, charming smile…


Title: Spears loses custody of her two sons
Post by: liquidsilver on October 02, 2007, 10:57:31 PM
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/music/la-me-britney2oct02,1,5374320.story?coll=la-headlines-entnews


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on October 03, 2007, 10:09:37 AM
I don't know if K-Fed will make any better Dad than Britney has been a Mom, but I guess the judge didn't like what he say in dear Britney.  I really feel sorry for those two kids.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: liquidsilver on October 03, 2007, 01:24:57 PM
While I feel sorry for the kids, I'm not sure its a great precedent to be setting to be awarding custody


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 03, 2007, 07:51:12 PM
While I feel sorry for the kids, I'm not sure its a great precedent to be setting to be awarding custody

How do you mean?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 03, 2007, 07:53:23 PM
I think he means the kids are being used more as punishment for Britney's act with the judge.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on October 14, 2007, 11:00:08 AM
Old Celebreality compared to today

http://tinyurl.com/28d64g
or:
http://news.aol.com/entertainment/story/_a/maria-von-trapps-stepson-dead-at-91/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_von_Trapp

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/winter/von-trapps.html

http://www.trappfamily.com/


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 15, 2007, 07:28:49 PM
My mom would love that Von Trapp lodge...that was one of her favorite movies of all time.

She's from Germany and she used to spend summers in Bavaria.  We all went to Salzburg in 1970.

Looks like they did a nice job of recreating everything...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on October 16, 2007, 09:26:01 AM
That's pretty much how I felt about it too. I miss the snow and cold weather but don't know if I'm still up to it. Don't ski, however. I merely want to drink in the atmosphere again.

As you tell, they've been at it for years, since they headed that way, they picked the most familiar spot.

I  guess that long before the movie, my mother decided to go and take me along to hear the Trapp family singers. Nostalgia for her too although the New World variety. I think that she envisioned our family would all play musical instruments as well but it didn't quite work out that way. Of course, we lived in a part of the country where all the  waitresses in our many German restaurants dressed like the von Trapps on tour,the dirndls, the vests,the poofy blouses(on the other hand, if you went to a very old fashioned older establishments,you had an entire male staff on the restaurant service, formally dressed, with a white napkin-towel folded neatly over the left arm).

As far as the snow, which used to snow us in every once in awhile as far as traffic was concerned, we never had a school-day called on account of snow. My sister may or may not still cross-country ski. To ready us for the practicalities of hill skiing, our Dad got us used to the feel by tobaggoning and bob-sledding. It was just part of our climate.


Title: Britney to have her soul cleansed
Post by: liquidsilver on October 16, 2007, 09:32:41 AM
Britney Spears is reportedly set to meet a Native American healer to help cleanse her soul.

http://www.sofeminine.co.uk/w/star/n325289/news/Britney-to-have-her-soul-cleansed.html


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on October 16, 2007, 09:40:43 AM
I wonder if it had anything to do with the "dead pool" sponsored by a Detroit radio station,

(http://www.popculturemadness.com/Pics/SpearsBald.jpg)

http://www.accesshollywood.com/news/ah6996.shtml

I did a double take on this photo, as it almost looks like K-Fed.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on October 17, 2007, 07:26:18 AM
I think this may be going just a bit too far with the doggone return policy?

 :'( Sobbing Degeneres pleads for dog  :'(

(http://www.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2003/09/13/dd_crowd_1.jpg)

I can only assume this is the dog in question.

http://tv.yahoo.com/contributor/33469/news/urn:newsml:tv.eonline.com:20071016:6e982e8c4080_4044_b941_cec226782721__ER:11495


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on October 17, 2007, 09:38:04 PM
Obama: good news and bad
BLACK Democratic candidate Barack Obama may be having trouble closing the gap in the polls with Hillary Clinton - but he's close behind in the money stakes. While Mrs Clinton has raised $35m for the primaries, he has raised $32m. Experts estimate that a sum of more than $1bn will be spent on electioneering before the next President is chosen.

The bad news for Obama (above) is that he turns out to be a relative of Dick Cheney. While researching her latest book, Lynne Cheney, wife of the Vice-President, discovered that her husband is eighth cousins with Obama. Campaign spokesman Bill Burton responded: "Obviously, Dick Cheney is sort of the black sheep of the family."

Obama's family ties with the Bush administration don't stop with Cheney. According to an article in the Chicago Sun-Times last September, Obama is also an 11th cousin of the President George W Bush. The two share a 17th century Massachusetts relative.
                                                          firstPost


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on October 18, 2007, 07:44:50 AM
Hudgens not fired from Disney after scandal:

http://omg.yahoo.com/rep-confirms-hudgens-not-dumped-by-disney/news/3187

I admit I was curious, but I don't see what the fuss is all about,

http://www.flickr.com/photos/psworn/1346878764/

Maybe Disney should look for a Victoria's Secret tie-in?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 18, 2007, 11:04:33 AM
Same basic photo - but no clothes.  She's 17, that's the controversey.

But, Disney is not the same company it was 25 years ago...there's too much money to be made off of her yet and she hasn't raised her price, so why should they drop her...


Title: Hudgens/Cyrus
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2007, 11:13:05 AM
Rumor I heard was Miley Cyrus playing the part, but I found that problematic, as she is so identified with H Montana.  Some other Disney dude (in a show) was to play Efron's part.

We shall see.  Big, big news in my house, anyway (my 6-year old saw the headline - thankfully it said NUDE, not NAKED, the word she knows - lol).


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on October 18, 2007, 11:41:31 AM
Dzimas, that's a different dog than the one in question.  The Iggy dog is kind of ratty-looking adorable and all dark.  It's a Brussels Griffon mix, if that's any help.   The rescues from which I've adopted animals all made it clear, both in writing and verbally, that if things don't work out, the animal has to go back to the rescue.  (Some pounds, on the other hand, just seem to take the money and hand over the leash.)  The horse rescue where I volunteer not only requires the return of a horse that isn't working out, it requires the adopter to send in a photo once a year and sign off to allow visits by authorized rescue members to check on things.  If Ellen didn't pay attention during the adoption process, that's really her fault.  Personally, it bothered me that she kept referring to the dog as "it" in her pleas, but that's me.

That being said, the rescue people came off like Nazi storm troopers and could have handled things much better, politically.  It seems like the rescue people are all about the dog's welfare, which is great and which I understand; but they shot themselves in the foot with strongarm tactics.  This didn't have to be the big deal that it turned into.  But then, I guess we'd have no content for the evening news, what with that boring old war going on, and the economy tanking and stuff.

I wish I had some comment on the nekkid teenager, but I just can't seem to summon up anything.

The dog in question, Iggy Pup.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s77/harrieb/iggy.jpg)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2007, 11:46:45 AM
How about that the government should be seeking whoever was responsible for the pics hitting the net.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on October 18, 2007, 11:49:33 AM
How about that the government should be seeking whoever was responsible for the pics hitting the net.

Well, why don't you say that?   Oh, I guess you did.  I don't necessarily agree.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2007, 11:53:43 AM
How about that the government should be seeking whoever was responsible for the pics hitting the net.

Well, why don't you say that?   Oh, I guess you did.  I don't necessarily agree.

Don't agree?

What purpose do these phots serve?

Civil liberties, eh?

I guess it would also then be OK if it was your daughter/granddaughter exposed.

Now, about Sharpton.........................


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on October 18, 2007, 12:07:56 PM
Well, gee, I must have missed the picture where the gun was held to her head while the shots were being taken.  What purpose do the pictures serve?  Why not ask Ms. Hudgens, since she's the person posing for the picture?   

I'm surprised that anyone these days, especially anyone famous, would have any picture taken that they're not comfortable with the public seeing.  Because odds are, it's going to get out there.  And the more you have to lose (a juicy Disney contract, for example), the better the odds get that it will get out there, and quickly.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 18, 2007, 12:08:08 PM
presumably it would qualify as child pornography... so yes they could be prosecuted if so


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on October 18, 2007, 12:10:16 PM
She's 18, isn't she?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on October 18, 2007, 12:18:08 PM
Doesn't anything that goes in a magazine make it to the internet?

If she was underage for one, she was underage for the other.  There seems to be a fine line that some communities can't get over about the difference in age between an underage female who would have had to be airbrushed for magazines on your newstand before the 1980s or community preferences would serve a warrant on the local purveyor of "interesting magazines you've got here"; and the concept of "nude children in photographs" which somehow automatically is considered appealing to the pedophilia crowd that we always hear about on Law and Order SV while not that long ago nude children were not victims but Objet d'Art to their parents who are left over artists from the generation of Flower Children.

A friend of mine in New Jersey where "the Shore" is a commodity on which you raise revenue, told me that back in the Sixties, the neighbor lady from across the street rang the door-bell and when his mother opened the door to have her come into the house, the kid ran by sans bathing suit that he had just dropped wet and sandy on the bathroom floor.  This is why many New Jerseyeans insist on having an outdoor shower in particular for coming home from the beach.  This neighbour whose husband was on the borough board then "shrieked"(I'm sure mildly) but she was all obsessed by this kid being a naked male child  running either through the living room or the kitchen as the case may be.

This was a typical ocean front suburban town where tourists do everything in your front yard during the summer season until you call the police but after all the suburbanites here are English to a fault and sometimes even Methodist until they get over it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 18, 2007, 12:19:08 PM
18 as of December 2006

When the photos were shot - not sure


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on October 19, 2007, 03:52:16 AM
Harrie, like you, I'm amazed this stuff becomes front page news, not only on Yahoo! but a variety of other on-line journals.  That's about all I read these days.  The Hudgens scandal, if you can call it that, is pure titillation.  The Iggy Pup scandal is scandalous in the way De Generes made such an emotional plea on television when she apparently was through with "it" anyway, giving the pup to her hairdresser.  I agree with you that the dog welfare center probably went too far, as it wasn't like Iggy was being used for "dog fights," but then it is nice to see that someone had little Iggy's best interests in mind. 



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on October 19, 2007, 07:31:34 PM
Okay, so Donald Trump thinks Angelina Jolie isn't pretty enough and George Clooney isn't tall enough. I know Jolie has her supporters/detractors, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but what position is he in to criticize anyone's looks?  I mean, until he does something about that critter on his head, he has no room to throw stones.  Just my opinion.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 19, 2007, 07:54:13 PM
:)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on October 19, 2007, 08:22:08 PM
Okay, so Donald Trump thinks Angelina Jolie isn't pretty enough and George Clooney isn't tall enough. I know Jolie has her supporters/detractors, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that, but what position is he in to criticize anyone's looks?  I mean, until he does something about that critter on his head, he has no room to throw stones.  Just my opinion.

He doesnt need me to defend him, but I think the cat does OK for himself in MANY departments.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on October 23, 2007, 04:57:48 AM
Donald Trump is a loathsome prick as far as I'm concerned.

(http://rushprnews.com/myPictures/donaltrump.jpg)

All he seems to be interested in is cleavage.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on October 23, 2007, 11:52:30 AM
I wouldn't call him loathsome...

He just has a very fragile ego.  Most bullies do...

The people that need help most very seldom seek it...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: ponderosa on October 29, 2007, 12:56:06 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/news/report_everyone_in_hollywood_great

LOS ANGELES—A study released today by the University of California, Los Angeles is sending shockwaves through the social, behavioral, and publicity sciences, after finding that everyone in Hollywood is close personal friends with everyone else in Hollywood.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on October 29, 2007, 03:59:20 PM
Ponderosa,

And every bit of it is true. The family that has to work together loves each other. What about the rest of the Los Angelenos who live outside of that tiny sector known as Hollywood which I thought was in the fire zone. I was so shook up  that I called my favourite hotel the Malmaison when referring to the other one that begins with an M (mine).


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: ponderosa on October 30, 2007, 06:28:03 AM
madupont

I believe the Onion is mostly satirical, but I'm not so sure about who or what to believe anymore.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on October 30, 2007, 09:17:48 AM
harrie -  I'm with you regarding Trump, who seems to think the gods have placed him here on this earth to weigh in on everything.  And what is he thinking with that godawful hair of his?  Wonder how much he pays for those coifs?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on October 30, 2007, 05:36:38 PM

madupont

I believe the Onion is mostly satirical, but I'm not so sure about who or what to believe anymore.


I think that was a sign of "good writing" if you couldn't tell whether they were serious or not satirical.

My response was meant to be satirical as well. As I really do mean that this attitude of one big happy family completely in love with each other prevails in the Industry(but not among the people who just happen to live in L.A. and may or may not enjoy the movies as often); but that's because it is for publicity and no one can afford to say something   unflattering about someone they might have an opportunity to work with, or because they worked with them before and didn't exactly enjoy the experience.

I've made it an unconscious rule not to remember anything awkward that I was privy to but yes, movie actors do eventually let down their hair after several days at home from location of their latest shoot. So you do hear gripes and complaints, which are interesting to say the least....  But never on camera for an interview (Barry Nolan?).

Some people are so busy working that they do not go out to the movies as often as they used to but, it is true, out there on the Coast, part of the reason for doing so, going out, rather than watching dvds or tapes(which my son used to pick out about three at a time for me at my request of what I was not able to see as yet in the boondocks and were readily available when I visited. However, I generally never completely saw them as I crashed from jet lag and then "got busy" interacting) which is what I didn't finish saying about the reason to go out to the movies.  People literally gather on the sidewalks after a movie and talk to each other about the movie, this is how people work the crowd, shmooze, and/or do business; a bit like the Ancient Greeks, who did not have movies, but maybe they said,"How about that Aristophanes? Did you catch it at the amphitheatron?

When they are invited to each other's homes, what do they discuss? Movies.

They go out after the show to a sidewalk cafe in good weather(not recently) and stand around on the sidewalk until they get a table, or after leaving their table, talking about movies.

As the result of the socializing following the jet-lag, I don't recall ever finding out how Chazz Palmientari dealt with,"Hurly Burly" but I did eventually watch, Run,Lola,Run, several times by catching up with her on tv. It is one of my favourite German films of life in the Punk era.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: ponderosa on October 31, 2007, 07:29:29 AM

When they are invited to each other's homes, what do they discuss? Movies.

They go out after the show to a sidewalk cafe in good weather(not recently) and stand around on the sidewalk until they get a table, or after leaving their table, talking about movies.


Ever seen The Player?

"Can we talk about something other than Hollywood for a change? We're educated people." Griffin Mill  :)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on October 31, 2007, 10:24:11 AM
Glad you mentioned it. That was exactly the film that was going through my mind as I posted to you but then I forgot to mention it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 07, 2007, 09:32:25 PM
Whatever happened with Paul McCartney's ex wife (are they divorced yet?)

I heard her sobbing on the radio the other night... She said she has received worse "press" than a child molester...

I just thought it was interesting that she, even while completely distraught, referred to "her press"


Title: The World According to E!
Post by: TrojanHorse on November 07, 2007, 10:28:20 PM
Fabio and George Clooney reportedly got into a shoving match at a West Hollywood eatery after George asked a woman in Fabio's party to stop taking pictures of him.

The whole fight allegedly started when Fabio came over to Clooney's table and said, "Stop being a diva."

Then Fabio's manager summed the whole thing up: "George is lucky he didn't end up in the ER."


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on November 10, 2007, 08:58:11 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2007/09/05/arts/20070905_MAILER_SLIDESHOW_index.html


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on November 10, 2007, 09:04:35 AM
Gore Vidal, with whom he frequently wrangled, once wrote: “Mailer is forever shouting at us that he is about to tell us something we must know or has just told us something revelatory and we failed to hear him or that he will, God grant his poor abused brain and body just one more chance, get through to us so that we will know. Each time he speaks he must become more bold, more loud, put on brighter motley and shake more foolish bells. Yet of all my contemporaries I retain the greatest affection for Norman as a force and as an artist. He is a man whose faults, though many, add to rather than subtract from the sum of his natural achievements.”



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on November 11, 2007, 09:53:46 AM
http://www.theparisreview.org/page.php/prmID/64


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on November 13, 2007, 03:21:35 PM
http://www.brooklyneagle.com/categories/category.php?category_id=27&id=16667


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on November 18, 2007, 03:41:08 PM
Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt visited posh London sex shop Coco De Mer when Angelina was in town for the premiere of Beowulf. (Mail on Sunday)

The Queen and Prince Philip will attend a celebratory service for their 60th wedding anniversary at Westminster Abbey on Monday, before heading to Malta for a second honeymoon.  (Observer)


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Does anybody else see the quaint hilarity in the juxtaposition of these two items in the the Sunday Digest from the UK firstPost ?



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on November 20, 2007, 11:10:33 AM
http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/node/3297   Washington,D.C. column

first photo of a human with celebreality ,on the right as you scroll down from the architecture,
Robert Duvall looking not too lively but he was in the neighborhood

Or, try this one:
http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/node/3298   This time really New York

same directions but after passing the setting and the hanky-panky, go at least four photo banks down and there is: an actor,Alec Baldwin, looking like--(or is it just me) more than ever, Charles Durning?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on November 28, 2007, 01:44:51 PM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=9629     Dixie Chicks


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on December 06, 2007, 07:05:53 AM
Where the anti-Christ roams

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?storyID=9694


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on December 14, 2007, 05:50:27 PM
http://www.westportnow.com/index.php?/v2/comments/18868/

My invitation must be lost in the mail.  Yes, that's got to be it.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on December 15, 2007, 01:35:42 PM
Oh, my gosh, harrie, Murdoch already swam the Atlantic in time for the wedding!(He probably also has local family in residence as well as a place of his own, if I recall, in fact think I just saw the apartment decor in nysd. quite tasty French and Italian antiques with a color scheme not to detract from what they are in themselves).

Look at it this way, with a barge full of fire-works, wind at 30 miles per hour, and no-parking on his Harvey's side of the street, that is so the fire-department can be there on time. Sleet and snow for the evening.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on December 18, 2007, 05:00:24 AM
http://www.westportnow.com/index.php?/v2/comments/18868/

My invitation must be lost in the mail.  Yes, that's got to be it.

Harvey isn't much of a looker, so one hopes he has a heart of gold (which I doubt).


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on December 18, 2007, 09:56:50 AM
They say Harvey has mellowed a bit; but that can change in a heartbeat.  Often, and in my hometown in particular, it's not the heart of gold that people look for as much as the wallet of green.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 18, 2007, 12:57:32 PM
   Dixie Chicks

   Where the AntiChrist roams


heh


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on December 20, 2007, 05:08:34 PM
Did you confuse two posts?

You know how you've always been told that "Money is Evil" (or, at least,"dirty") that makes Ted Turner as filthy with it as the anti-Christ roaming around the West to return the ecology to something less "Fundamental".


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on December 20, 2007, 05:10:09 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/books/review/McGrath-t.html

PORTRAITS AND OBSERVATIONS

The Essays of Truman Capote.

518 pp. Random House. $28.95.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on December 28, 2007, 04:33:08 AM
The list of celebrity DUI's keeps growing and growing.  Add Rebecca De Mornay to the list:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071228/ap_en_ce/people_de_mornay


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on December 28, 2007, 09:16:45 AM
"Seventy-seven-year-old Sir Sean Connery has had many reviews during a long acting career, but has probably never been described in print as "a rude, foul-mouthed, fat old man" before. Now a US Supreme Court judge has barred Sir Sean's New York neighbour from making that, and other uncomplimentary remarks, in the depositions for a legal dispute between the two.

Sir Sean has been locked in litigation with Dr Burton Sultan, a 72-year-old leading opthalmologist, for five years since Connery and his wife Micheline began using an Upper East Side apartment that belongs to their son Stephane.

Justice Marcy Friedman's new judgement rebukes Dr Sultan for his intemperate language"  UKFirstPost




Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: law120b on December 28, 2007, 11:29:09 AM
have seen sir sean on e. 71st near 3rd, strolling.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on December 28, 2007, 12:29:12 PM
This would be Harrie's celebrit spotting service news. Several of us occasionally swap spottings to keep each other informed but it mostly reveals who we favor and who deserves our "fan-ship". I haven't subscribed much to reading the Scotsman of late, but they had told me about Sean Connery's autobiography, which may be why he set up housekeeping at his son's apartment. He may be working with an American publisher. It is a rather shrewd move to get that sort of writing over with before you can't remember your life; and you can probably lay out all the interesting bits before someone else takes posthumous advantage and tries to tell everybody your life for you.

Connery is another one of those fellows, such as Paul Newman whom I mentioned in the Movies forum as being "not at all attractive to me when he was  a young person but, who became more and more attractive in his senior years".

When you find news of somebody who obviously does not share your rare taste in celebrities and who actually persecutes them as soon as an opportunity presents itself, my tendency is to shrug and mention,"well, New York, what can you expect in Manhattan? People there are so driven to show up vips, merely to prove that they themselves are just as important as anybody. It is some kind of elite Americanism of the street; yet, oddly, the street in New York remains one of the most polite places for maintaining the proprieties of do not disturb the famous going about their business shopping or whatever,as just another New Yorker in passing.

I don't envy Sean Connery the disturbance of his own peace and quiet however while trying to wrap up a book.  I go through this with contracted grounds-maintenance employees of the management who make maximum noise, for a full day if possible, while I'm writing.

Not to mention the couple upstairs, although I have lived downstairs from three other couples since I moved to this apartment, none of whom made active noise  of any kind. Current couple in residence have a high strung reaction of their personalities similar to the guy who could not possibly have done any wrong himself and thinks Connery is the fault in residence. You can tell this by the increase in the rapidity of their footfalls as they panic each other at the fateful "homecoming hour".


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Kam on December 28, 2007, 12:43:32 PM
First off, why are you assuming Connery did no wrong?

Secondly, what gives you the idea that manhattanites feel the need to show up VIPs. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on December 28, 2007, 04:01:20 PM
First off, why are you assuming Connery did no wrong?

By the same token, why are you assuming Connery did any wrong?

That story is notable for its great teaser -- charges like rude, foul-mouthed, fat and old are seriously eye-catching -- but then not one detail about the whys and wherefores. I'm sorry, but when I'm promised dirt, I want dirt.  If being rude, foul-mouthed, fat and old brings on litigation, think of how many people must be going after Andrew Dice Clay. And for that matter, I'd better watch my step, too.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on December 28, 2007, 04:44:59 PM
Aha!  Here we go -- http://tinyurl.com/2djdug

The dispute is over renovations and/or roof repairs, and the eye doctor is suing a couple other parties besides Connery.  Apparently, the other parties don't get the big headline that Connery does.  This may happen a lot in NYC -- I recall reading that Ann Curry's neighbors are or were all over her for the same thing.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: ponderosa on December 28, 2007, 06:59:16 PM
Sean Connery is a rude, inconsiderate boor. I saw it on tv. It must be true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E34bMZcIFHw


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 07, 2008, 09:18:30 AM
‘Rebel angel’ Hugo Chavez gives Naomi Campbell a scoop
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?news=people&issueID=545&itemID=11767


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 07, 2008, 09:38:23 AM
Hugo makes me think of Tito.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 07, 2008, 10:30:00 AM
Nah, Tito was more militarily oriented,partisan guerilla that sort of thing. I rather liked the guy in my childhood. Even the Nazis did not get to wreck the antiquities of architecture that Bill Clinton did. There have got to be other methods.

Hugo is overly plump with his campaign to become a world celebrity; by offering assistance to third world cold climate regions like Wisconsin where they can't afford medical insurance for optical procedures, he attempted to center-piece the parsimonious old Yankee meanie who inherited the White House.

I think he is running into a concerted effort by the youth movement of the privileged at present; who, in the guise of Youth is always Right, are expressing their well-educated disdain for the peons of other races who need their say in government as well. This is similar to the back-lash folks in the US who take to their internet service provider when defending O'Reilly getting out of line at some Barack Obama happening. Their consensus is that Barack doesn't wear one of those American flag "pins", or lapel studs,actually; like Cheney and the white guys(which is a new music group going on tour next year).


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 07, 2008, 02:03:29 PM
First off, why are you assuming Connery did no wrong?

By the same token, why are you assuming Connery did any wrong?

That story is notable for its great teaser -- charges like rude, foul-mouthed, fat and old are seriously eye-catching -- but then not one detail about the whys and wherefores. I'm sorry, but when I'm promised dirt, I want dirt.  If being rude, foul-mouthed, fat and old brings on litigation, think of how many people must be going after Andrew Dice Clay. And for that matter, I'd better watch my step, too.

LOL!  Same here!  Besides, Connery is Scottish.  Need anything more be said? 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 08, 2008, 08:38:48 AM
Quote
LOL!  Same here!  Besides, Connery is Scottish.  Need anything more be said?


Exactly what are you implying here, Dez (being a Scot myself, or atleast of Scottish heritage)?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 08, 2008, 03:07:38 PM
I'm of Scottish heritage too, dzimas.  I'm implying that you better not cross one unless you want a rather unpleasant experience.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 08, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
Well, we all know, Dzimas, what it is like. You however are a formidably reasonable Scot but, then, we don't live with you at home; and, we've all had that kind of upbringing with a Scotsman in the house. My grandmother was the cheeriest person, but also lived alone, and my mother thought her bitter in some way. Wouldn't you be after seven kids to raise on your own? My great aunt, and the sister of our grandmother, never said an unkindly word that could be considered disrespectul of any individual Scotsman when speaking of family  and their friends;but she did say they placed too much value on money. She did however marry "out".


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 12, 2008, 08:28:47 PM
"Sir Edmund Hillary dies, aged 88
 
Mountaineer Sir Edmund Hillary, the laid-back beekeeper from New Zealand who with Sherpa Tenzing became the first to conquer Mount Everest, has died at the age of 88. Hillary, who preferred to be known as just "Ed" and said of his conquest "we knocked the bastard off", went on to become one of the 20th century's greatest explorers. He had not been well since last April, when he suffered a fall during a climb in Nepal."

                                                                                            The fP

I don't know, is it just the British or is it just me? I have been living with this all of my life. It's so terribly Evelyn Waugh of them to report that, "He had not been well since last April,when he suffered a fall during a climb in Nepal."

You rather expect to hear John Cleese delivering those lines, don't you?

At age 88, I think, "not  been well" would be the least of it. Underplay,understate,anything to avoid being, not British?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 12, 2008, 08:39:55 PM
"Sir Edmund Hillary dies, aged 88
 
Mountaineer Sir Edmund Hillary, the laid-back beekeeper from New Zealand who with Sherpa Tenzing became the first to conquer Mount Everest, has died at the age of 88. Hillary, who preferred to be known as just "Ed" and said of his conquest "we knocked the bastard off", went on to become one of the 20th century's greatest explorers. He had not been well since last April, when he suffered a fall during a climb in Nepal."

                                                                                            The fP

I don't know, is it just the British or is it just me? I have been living with this all of my life. It's so terribly Evelyn Waugh of them to report that, "He had not been well since last April,when he suffered a fall during a climb in Nepal."

You rather expect to hear John Cleese delivering those lines, don't you?

At age 88, I think, "not  been well" would be the least of it. Underplay,understate,anything to avoid being, not British?


I'm not sure I'd classify Sir Edmund as a celebrity.  The man conquored Mt. Everest, was an explorer of the first mark, a humanitarian, in other words, a person of substance.  Putting him into the same catagory as Paris Hilton is a bit of a stretch.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 13, 2008, 12:11:47 PM
You seem to be the only person posting about Paris Hilton; you made the comparison.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 13, 2008, 05:49:58 PM
Not really.  Look back at the very first post in this forum.  You know, the one where the administrator sets the tone....

Also, look at the current question.  Not much difference between Paris and Britney.  Sir Edmund is really not thought of as a mere celebrity. 



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 13, 2008, 07:15:05 PM
not really? When asked what is celebreality as it is obviously not cerebral compared to celebrity, he had something in mind and I know not what. People famous in many varying fields are when they become known to the public at large quite often considered to be celebrities in their field.

You seemed to have a similar problem about the death of Mrs.Astor, was this when you confused celebrity with aristocracy? I said at the time, the interest in such well-known people has to do with local history. In the US,the Astors are a part of our history. The family was an intrinsic part of New York city, as well as state, history.  But their fur empire stretched  well into the Midwest in the colder climates of the US, as I''m sure you probably know about from Michigan.

As a person about town, the late Mrs. Astor was the bright spot in the day and perhaps a lifetime for many people who happened to meet her because she was arriving for a fund-raising event for charity or the arts, cab-drivers, truck drivers, elevator operators all had favorable things to say about her, in some sense in the nytimes that was their oration to her when they told their own personal stories of meeting her.

Now, Sir Edmund Hillary has been a celebrated mountaineer for some time. There is an obvious connection amidst celebreality,celebrated,and celebrity. But my point was rather the British habit of understating something, by which they feel that they remain in good taste, propriety, but are manners that cause you to say "wait a minute..." and, to take a second look, since most obviously one would not be feeling well, having taken a fall while mountain climbing.  That is the John Cleese factor common to English humour.  That does not mean Sir Edmund is funny, or that what happened to him is funny; it means that the writers back in the UK rather miss the point.

And with that in mind, I suppose that if I were to take a look (because I have done that recently in other forums that were cut back after the hacking and this may be one of them, you may find that there is very first post to look back upon. Not any more. But I shall check to remind myself of what is not there.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 13, 2008, 07:23:36 PM
Yes, that seems to be the case. With the exceptions of add-ons for people who did not seem to have enough room for their insufficient egos, the main forums from the beginning date to April 16th.

Those that could not be returned to the condition that they were in after they had been raided for god knows what, have a later date as of May 9th or some such after the ragged ends where spliced for continuance as best the administrator could do.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 13, 2008, 07:46:02 PM
Well, the concept of exactly who is and who is not a celebrity is just one more of the myriad of subjects we disagree upon.  Perhaps you are correct in the old way of thinking, but now the word has taken on rather a negative connotation.  (Words do evolve (or devolve)  as we get older,  and if you want to stay relevant, you really need to pay attention.)

I must say, anyone who got a glimpse of Mrs. Astor and viewed it as a bright spot in their lifetime certainly ought to rethink their priorities.  The phrase "get a life" would be apropos.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 13, 2008, 08:02:01 PM
But as far as beginning new forums to assuage peoples' egos, I think the moderator liked the idea of a celebreality forum and so began one.   Doesn't seem like too much of an egomaniac to me...running this forum could turn out to be more trouble than it's worth, what with people running to him all the time, complaining about other posters.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 14, 2008, 12:03:05 PM
Your record on that score stands for itself. Unless you want to erace a few of your remarks but you are aware that the admin knows about that already. Okay, I grant you, you have made yourself a celebreality by doing half-asked versions of book reviews while cutting out the most worthwhile material. I probably will not care to be around much anyway for your contentions, since there are now more important issues to contend with elsewhere and more interesting things to do than deal with  banal ideation. Why don't you try creative writing and correct the spelling or read a hard book or something and learn something from the discussion than haggle who qualifies for celeabreality. You vote for Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears as memorable creatures. I'll take Sir Edmund Hillary overcoming English usage.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 14, 2008, 12:49:25 PM
Your record on that score stands for itself. Unless you want to erace a few of your remarks but you are aware that the admin knows about that already. Okay, I grant you, you have made yourself a celebreality by doing half-asked versions of book reviews while cutting out the most worthwhile material. I probably will not care to be around much anyway for your contentions, since there are now more important issues to contend with elsewhere and more interesting things to do than deal with  banal ideation. Why don't you try creative writing and correct the spelling or read a hard book or something and learn something from the discussion than haggle who qualifies for celeabreality. You vote for Paris Hilton and Brittney Spears as memorable creatures. I'll take Sir Edmund Hillary overcoming English usage.

Your post makes my point for me.  Paris and Britney are the type of person that our society considers celebrities.  As to Mrs. Astor, I'm sure she was a nice person and all, but aside from a very fortunate marriage, who was she?  One has to communicate in the language of the culture, and from this viewpoint, Sir Edmund makes no sense.  His reality had nothing to do with our conception of "celebreality." 

As to my reading "a hard book," that's rich coming from one who chooses her reading material from the social register.  But I will take your suggestion and "correct the spelling."  In your above post:  erace=erase, celeabreality=celebreality, Brittney=Britney. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 14, 2008, 05:42:23 PM
I think you make my point for me. Brittney vs Britney. You opt for Britney and Paris Hilton, whose "celebreality"  is not a word in the English language. Perhaps you are referring to celeb-reality, in which case Mrs. Astor would want to know about what you call "our" culture. You don't seem to know who she is,"As to Mrs. Astor, I'm sure she was a nice person and all, but aside from a very fortunate marriage, who was she? ". Those are your words, in case you are getting confused about now.

Exactly "whose" culture are you referring to when you say things like,
"One has to communicate in the language of the culture,"? And,"... from this viewpoint, Sir Edmund makes no sense.  His reality had nothing to do with 'our' conception."   What exactly is this our that you keep talking about?  You are about as all-inclusive as the kids back at the end of the 1960s in college English classes fulfilling their mandatory requirement, who believed they were capable of writing Beatles lyrics because their words were used by John Lennon and Paul McCartney in writing the songs recorded on the vinyl.  Well, we did know he was a poet in his own write.

"it’s not really John’s childhood, it’s all of ours really, isn’t it John?" John Lennon, assuming a camp voice answered "It is, we’re all one Victor, we’re all one aren‘t we.

So what is this "social register" that you insist I'm reading?



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 14, 2008, 07:25:35 PM
I think you make my point for me. Brittney vs Britney. You opt for Britney and Paris Hilton, whose "celebreality"  is not a word in the English language. Perhaps you are referring to celeb-reality, in which case Mrs. Astor would want to know about what you call "our" culture. You don't seem to know who she is,"As to Mrs. Astor, I'm sure she was a nice person and all, but aside from a very fortunate marriage, who was she? ". Those are your words, in case you are getting confused about now.

Exactly "whose" culture are you referring to when you say things like,
"One has to communicate in the language of the culture,"? And,"... from this viewpoint, Sir Edmund makes no sense.  His reality had nothing to do with 'our' conception."   What exactly is this our that you keep talking about?  You are about as all-inclusive as the kids back at the end of the 1960s in college English classes fulfilling their mandatory requirement, who believed they were capable of writing Beatles lyrics because their words were used by John Lennon and Paul McCartney in writing the songs recorded on the vinyl.  Well, we did know he was a poet in his own write.

"it’s not really John’s childhood, it’s all of ours really, isn’t it John?" John Lennon, assuming a camp voice answered "It is, we’re all one Victor, we’re all one aren‘t we.

So what is this "social register" that you insist I'm reading?



LOL....Perhaps you have mis-read the name of this forum.  Look closely.  It is not "Celebrity,"  it is "Celebreality."  And the word "celebreality" refers specifically to the doings and lives of the likes of Britney and of people like Paris who are famous mostly for being famous, who have made nothing of their lives but a series of "blonde" moments. 

If the word is not in your dictionary, I would suggest you consider purchasing a newer edition. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 14, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
Made nothing of their lives, eh?

Funny.

Do you give 1/1000th of what they give to charity?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 14, 2008, 07:48:43 PM
Do we know what they give to charity?

But aside from the charity angle....do you realize what sort of negative impact these women have had on girls growing up in America?  Pop into your local pre-teen clothing department sometime for a real eye-opener.  Granted, the mothers who allow their little girls to dress in sexually suggestive clothes ought to be slapped upside the head, but it is sad that little girls don't have better role models.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 16, 2008, 03:56:18 PM
They said the same in the 70s


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 16, 2008, 04:38:24 PM
Yes, I recall that.  But back then, parents had more sense.  They understood that it was more important to be a parent to one's child than to be their best friend. 

 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 16, 2008, 04:48:08 PM
I use the OED. What do you use, a slightly refracted pugilism?  Which reminds me. I think that this actively belongs in Celebreality according to your criteria for charitable bad examples to little girls; this was probably where it was intended to be dumped but somehow the boy ended up in Art.  Here we go Art Renfro...oh,excuse me,Brad.

Did you ever dig the complete name, comes from his parents watching too many Bram Stoker movies when they conceived him?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000605/bio




Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 16, 2008, 07:02:12 PM
I like the OED, along with quite a few others.  I like dictionaries in general.  But the OED does list "celebreality."  It originated back in the 1990's, first incidence by a Canadian reporter in an article on the Oscars. 

Other interesting OED entries:  celebutante, bling bling, gangsta.  (Makes me wonder exactly what those folks over at OED are up to.)

Brad Renfro...don't know him.  Never watch Grisham on the screen, or Stephen King either.  King writes a good story...scary enough in the imagination without added embellishment on the big screen.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 16, 2008, 07:10:14 PM
Although, a quick check over at IMDB tells me that I may have caught him in the movie "Ghost World,"  which I recall was a pretty decent movie.  Also probably caught him in his episode of Law & Order, a show I absolutely love to watch.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 16, 2008, 10:06:24 PM
http://movies.aol.com/news/story/_a/former-child-actor-brad-renfro-dies/20080115185109990001


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 16, 2008, 10:40:37 PM
well, gee,whiz, I used the Shorter Oxford Univ.Press English Dictionary. Any idea what the cost is on the "full set"?

Anyway,I was not surprised to read that  Brad Barron Renfro (now that is funny) was born in Tennessee about the time that I left there(arriving in time for the Lunar eclipse at the height of the "Summer Season" in New Jersey). So, he lived to be 26? I suspect that is what kidcarter8 was attempting to point out to you because you seem to be of a divided mind in entertaining Brittney,Paris,and now, Brad, as sometimes a bad influence on younger people and sometimes in a bracket to be "charitable"; owning a set of the OED would in that case bracket somewhat a charitable attitude?

I have  no doubt by the terms you recounted from the OED that Brad Renfro qualifies categorically as a Celebreality, which is why I thought it inconsistent that he ended up in Art and Art Exhibitions today. Not that every trace shall be erased. Think how few movies James Dean made before pffft.... But, Brad Renfro likewise would end up posted in Movies, no one saw it that way, although movies are often film art; in fact we spoke a little of Dogme95, by and by, because I recommended a film,The Celebration, that I've seen two or three times by now. Don't get me wrong, I admire Joel Schumacher as well. Those are the dues;but, the reason that I sometimes mention an exhibition (not from the "social register") is because there are people who post in here who can on occasion line up their schedule to support an art exhibition in NYC because they are in the vicinity. In Manhattan, that's considered charitable.

Don't let kidcarter8 bother you. You should see what caclark says to him, whereas, he calls me "MissThing". Just so he doesn't call me, MissAnn. I thought it best to Ignore him before we started doing the dozens. Or, as Henry Miller says, "dontcha know?"
Have to go watch a Japanese Horror called Pray


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 17, 2008, 02:25:03 AM
I don't mind the Kid so much.  I tend to be judgemental and he nailed me on it.  But I do worry about the daughters.  I see mothers and daughters in the grocer's, both of them chatting away on their cell phones.  I see them commuting to various activities, both on cell phones or the daughter watching a video in the back seat.  And I think, when do these people talk?  I see them in shopping malls, mother and daughter dressed as sister slatterns, buying more expressions of the same.  The mother can't say no, doesn't want the daughter to throw a fit, doesn't want to be seen as unhip.  Then, I see the mothers dressed in the above mentioned attire at Parent-Teacher conferences, expressing dismay that they just can't seem to motivate their daughters to finish their homework. 

But, charity or no, do good works balance the damage they do to little girls?

As to caClark....with a wit like hers, I'm sure she can handle whatever comes her way.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 17, 2008, 02:48:37 AM
Des, Maddy, have you read Neal Ascherson's Stone Voices,

http://www.amazon.com/Stone-Voices-Scotland-Neal-Ascherson/dp/0809084910/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200556020&sr=1-4

very amusing chapter on the celebreality of Braveheart, as well his thoughts on Sean Connery, and Trent Lott pushing for a National Tartan Day in America.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 17, 2008, 08:22:46 AM
The whole Britney thing has gotten so sordid and ugly that one would almost feel sorry for her if there weren't two children at stake.  I can only hope that K-Fed is a better father than he is an entertainer.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: ponderosa on January 17, 2008, 10:05:58 AM
Tom Cruise on Scientology.

http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 17, 2008, 11:01:43 AM
Do we know what they give to charity?

But aside from the charity angle....do you realize what sort of negative impact these women have had on girls growing up in America?  Pop into your local pre-teen clothing department sometime for a real eye-opener.  Granted, the mothers who allow their little girls to dress in sexually suggestive clothes ought to be slapped upside the head, but it is sad that little girls don't have better role models.

Young girls were dressing like that long before Britney and Paris came along, but I would agree that they are both bad role models.  And not all girls who dress "like that" have mothers who "allow" them - my daughter was sneaking on makeup and revealing costumes loaned to her by other girls by the age of 12, and lots of young girls shoplift when their mothers won't buy them what they want.  And not because they haven't been taught better, either.

God, 33 years ago I was going braless most of the time regardless of my mother's bitching.  I was in college, so she couldn't do anything about it, but did she raise hell when I came home.  She didn't realize I was going to class dressed even skimpier - that was when short cut-offs and halters were in style, and I was in college in the deep South.  I don't think times have changed regarding young girls and clothing as much as some people think.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 17, 2008, 11:37:21 AM
Nice image you left me with, des!

The whole thing with Tommy Boy and Scientology is really something. I remember when Dennis Weaver got hooked on that stuff and his movie and television career went down the toilet, but he kept his rugged good looks right up the end,

(http://www.dennisweaver.com/dwdenim30.jpg)

Tommy seems relatively unscathed by his association with this bogus religion.  Katie looks better than ever with that short bob.  Maybe she could play Louise Brooks in a movie, although I see her more in a remake of "That Girl."


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 17, 2008, 12:18:43 PM
Desdemona...I'm not talking about college age women here.  Women in college are adults, free to make reasoned choices,  mom may not like daughter's choices, but making a workable relationship between daughter and  mom is part of the deal.  Teen-aged girls...won't even go there.  Teen-agers girls have to disagree with their mothers, otherwise, working out the whole process of moving into adulthood would be just too painful.  And, we know that at 12 into their twenty-somethings, girls want to be anyone but their mother.

I am talking about little girls...in the 4 to 9 age range, and I think their approach to dressing has changed quite a bit in the last five or eight years.  The other day, I saw a mother and daughter in matching pink v-necked tees...silver lettering.  The little girl appeared to be around 6.  Her shirt said, "Jail Bait."  The mother's matching one said, "Been there, done that."  The little girl was wearing some cute pants, sort of like the black spandexy leggings that were popular in the eighties.  Quite cute on the little girl, but unfortunately, the mother appeared to have squeezed herself into the same sized spandex pants as her little girl....

This is the sort of thing one used to see only on Jerry Springer or in Walmart    ;)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 17, 2008, 12:57:11 PM

Des, Maddy, have you read Neal Ascherson's Stone Voices,

http://www.amazon.com/Stone-Voices-Scotland-Neal-Ascherson/dp/0809084910/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200556020&sr=1-4

very amusing chapter on the celebreality of Braveheart, as well his thoughts on Sean Connery, and Trent Lott pushing for a National Tartan Day in America.


Okay, so you won't believe this easily. But, I just saw Braveheart last night. Not bad because in retrospect,realizing that he made this before his other critical tribulations, it makes him look like a genius almost approaching the scale of Lawrence Olivier in resolving the field-problems of the camera for battle. Also, the things that looked corny according to public taste at the time of the movie's release, now work in his favor; although, in my mind,I can just about do the dialogue on the set,or rather location, when they organize the  shots for the story-board:"What do you intend to have follow here in the sequence?"

"Oh, you know that romantic bit that I used  previously in...."

In the long run, it may turn out that when looking back from the future, critical assessment will acknowledge that his unreserved passion for the inclusion of violence as key scenes was realistic of him considering the period of time when his film-making was popularly attended.  It just may be that he was a realist about us.

As to Sean Connery, he has written a book of his own or is still in process of writing it. I have checked on where it all stands at present. Because I occasionally take a lot at,"The Scotsman" which is a little paper, also on-line, that abruptly returns you to a present world that still exists a bit more simply than we oft remember.  They just haven't gotten around to books review as of yet; they will report who is writing one but your taste is your own.

I have no doubt Lott's,Tartan Day is meant to show off his knobby knees, but most people wear it anyday that they please. I have spent time in two areas profoundly immersed in their origins as Scots, Ontario, Canada for custom and language and the other is Princeton where Scots have lived for four centuries in ways that will continue into a fifth(no pun intended) and where they use their option for privacy but sometime splendidly reveal themselves for who they are. My spontaneous chat with Mrs. Brown in her full regalia, the mother in law of John McPhee, will always stand out to me as an occasion when the the true meaning of "weird" reveals itself.

The kindly Jane Alexander, mistress of Rockingham, married to the descendant of Lord Stirling, was the next revelation of simple virtues.

I should not forget the Bruces. They live there too and I think that I first met them at Pennington? Mother and daughter, they introduced themselves to me.
This was a landscape in which they took their traditions very seriously, they gather weekly to dance in their own society and as usual will celebrate in a little over the week on Jan.25 up at Rocky Hill and other places in the vicinity.

From there I went to Clans gathering  across the river into Pennsylvania on the plateau just beyond the Delaware River. They are best attended on cool moist days with plenty of mud for the sporting events. More dignified summer sittings on that side of the river's Washington's Crossing are for enjoying the Black Watch pipers.

On one occasion at Hopewell, I had my very own piper show up and it took me a bit to follow the sound and find her not at the top of my hill with the corn but down below in the town square, marching methodically back and forth to practice until my neighbour complained, and with great dignity the piper packed her things neatly in the trunk of her car and rode away as stately as she had marched.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 17, 2008, 02:06:09 PM
Desdemona...I'm not talking about college age women here.  Women in college are adults, free to make reasoned choices,  mom may not like daughter's choices, but making a workable relationship between daughter and  mom is part of the deal.  Teen-aged girls...won't even go there.  Teen-agers girls have to disagree with their mothers, otherwise, working out the whole process of moving into adulthood would be just too painful.  And, we know that at 12 into their twenty-somethings, girls want to be anyone but their mother.

I am talking about little girls...in the 4 to 9 age range, and I think their approach to dressing has changed quite a bit in the last five or eight years.  The other day, I saw a mother and daughter in matching pink v-necked tees...silver lettering.  The little girl appeared to be around 6.  Her shirt said, "Jail Bait."  The mother's matching one said, "Been there, done that."  The little girl was wearing some cute pants, sort of like the black spandexy leggings that were popular in the eighties.  Quite cute on the little girl, but unfortunately, the mother appeared to have squeezed herself into the same sized spandex pants as her little girl....

This is the sort of thing one used to see only on Jerry Springer or in Walmart    ;)

Oh, no, that would be WAY too well dressed for Walmart here, at least.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 17, 2008, 02:07:28 PM
Desdemona...I'm not talking about college age women here.  Women in college are adults, free to make reasoned choices,  mom may not like daughter's choices, but making a workable relationship between daughter and  mom is part of the deal.  Teen-aged girls...won't even go there.  Teen-agers girls have to disagree with their mothers, otherwise, working out the whole process of moving into adulthood would be just too painful.  And, we know that at 12 into their twenty-somethings, girls want to be anyone but their mother.

I am talking about little girls...in the 4 to 9 age range, and I think their approach to dressing has changed quite a bit in the last five or eight years.  The other day, I saw a mother and daughter in matching pink v-necked tees...silver lettering.  The little girl appeared to be around 6.  Her shirt said, "Jail Bait."  The mother's matching one said, "Been there, done that."  The little girl was wearing some cute pants, sort of like the black spandexy leggings that were popular in the eighties.  Quite cute on the little girl, but unfortunately, the mother appeared to have squeezed herself into the same sized spandex pants as her little girl....

This is the sort of thing one used to see only on Jerry Springer or in Walmart    ;)

Oh, no, that would be WAY too well dressed for Walmart here, at least.

Really - "Jailbait" on a 6-yr-old?  That's horrible!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 17, 2008, 02:17:05 PM
The kid wears the Jailbait tee because of Ms Spears?

Ooooookey-doke


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 17, 2008, 02:41:26 PM
Jail Bait is also the name of an attractive young woman, no where near the age that you mention, in the film: Charlie Wilson's War.

She is one of Senator Wilson's office staff.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Lhoffman on January 17, 2008, 06:35:11 PM
Yes Kid,  I would put it down as part of a general trend.  I'm sure this existed in high schools long before Britney.  (I do recall back in the 80's the popular dress was big hair, leggings and long tops for high school girls...think Cyndi Lauper.)  But in the 90's Britney came out with "Hit Me Baby One More Time," a video set in a high school that had Britney wearing her take on the Catholic schoolgirl uniform.  High school girls, perhaps in the battle for their boys' attention, embraced the fashion wholeheartedly.  A few years later, it had worked its way down into the Middle School scene.  Then a little after that, it worked its way into elementary school.   

I wouldn't put it all down to Britney.  I would also factor in television, music videos, parenting styles...But since the time of "Hit Me Baby",  the idea of dressing ala rock star has become quite commonplace in elementary school...to the extent that many schools have introduced dress codes.  In the schools that I am familiar with, the dress code is sold to the parents as a way of keeping their children's clothing budget in line.  But behind the scenes there is much talk of little girls being exposed to TRL and of parents who don't seem to have a sense of what clothes are appropriate for their early elementary daughters to wear to school. 

 

The weird extension of this all is that now we have in our schools, very young boys who make inappropriate sexual remarks to little girls.  Stuff that used to have to be discussed around grade 4 or 5 is now becoming prevalent in grade 1. 

 



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 18, 2008, 05:17:00 AM
I think Britney is the product of a lurid viewing audience which seems to enjoy watching pop stars unravel before their eyes.  In her shalllow effort to push the boundaries, which seems to date back to her infamous kiss with Madonna, she has gone downhill fast.  By contrast, Christina Aguilera, who shared in that kiss, has had a meteoric rise, and looks far more healthy these days than does dear Britney.

(http://www.mtv.com/content/ontv/vma/2007/photo/flipbooks/britney-spears/vma-britney-spears_01.jpg)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 18, 2008, 09:40:13 AM
Someone is missing a golden opportunity not making these court-imposed workdays into a reality show,

Lindsay,  http://omg.yahoo.com/lohan-to-work-in-morgue-as-punishment/news/5808

Snoop Dog,  http://evilbeetgossip.film.com/2007/10/11/snoop-doggs-taking-out-the-trash/



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 18, 2008, 09:51:51 AM
The current biggest trainwreck in England, Amy Winehouse, is reportedly going to be at the Emmy's.  They're not saying if she's performing yet, but if she is, you might want to catch it.  She's unbelievably talented.  I think she's going to be the next deceased musical icon, terrible as that sounds.

http://bossip.com/uploaded_images/amywinehousebeforeafter5-713990.jpg


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 18, 2008, 10:07:57 AM
The current biggest trainwreck in England, Amy Winehouse, is reportedly going to be at the Emmy's.  They're not saying if she's performing yet, but if she is, you might want to catch it.  She's unbelievably talented.  I think she's going to be the next deceased musical icon, terrible as that sounds.

http://bossip.com/uploaded_images/amywinehousebeforeafter5-713990.jpg

Winehouse is a great talent.  She got passed over for the Mercury top prize in England.  There was quite a row over that one as her father and her father-in-law had a battle royale over whether the industry should recognize her or not because of her cocaine heroin addiction.  Mick Jagger even offered to do an intervention.  I just hope she doesn't go the way of Janis Joplin.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 18, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
The current biggest trainwreck in England, Amy Winehouse, is reportedly going to be at the Emmy's.  They're not saying if she's performing yet, but if she is, you might want to catch it.  She's unbelievably talented.  I think she's going to be the next deceased musical icon, terrible as that sounds.

http://bossip.com/uploaded_images/amywinehousebeforeafter5-713990.jpg

Winehouse is a great talent.  She got passed over for the Mercury top prize in England.  There was quite a row over that one as her father and her father-in-law had a battle royale over whether the industry should recognize her or not because of her cocaine addiction.  Mick Jagger even offered to do an intervention.  I just hope she doesn't go the way of Janis Joplin.

That's what I'm saying, dzimas.  I mean, GOD she SO GREAT but look at her!!  Trying to find a free download of her music right now - mine was on comcast.net but it's gone now.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 18, 2008, 10:20:11 AM
Turns out there's lots of her stuff on YouTube - just take your pick and listen.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 18, 2008, 10:45:49 AM
She's all over the place on European radio.  Back to Black is her second album, so it surprises me that she is up for best new artist at the Grammy's.  Frank was her first cut.  It was interesting that Sharon Jones took exception to Winehouse's soul-inspired second album, saying she's been there and done that on previous albums like Naturally,

http://www.amazon.com/Naturally-Sharon-Jones-Dap-Kings/dp/B00070Q8L8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1200670923&sr=1-2

which I first heard on KEXP 3 years back.  Pretty darn good!  She's followed it up with 100 Days, 100 Nights.  I don't think she's appeared on Grammy's radar screen yet.

(http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/2002/081502/images/cover2.jpg)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 18, 2008, 11:21:59 AM
http://tinyurl.com/yw3moy

Bin Laden's Son Wants to Be Peace Envoy


(In the current popular expression, "How could you not believe?" someone with dreadlocks like Stevie Wonder?)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 18, 2008, 02:00:08 PM
I think Britney is the product of a lurid viewing audience which seems to enjoy watching pop stars unravel before their eyes. 

I think Britney was fun to watch implode at first (in a shameful way, I admit), but now it's just sad and I don't want to know one more thing about her or her "fabulous" life. I can't help wondering, though, whether it's BS being hounded and driven crazy by the paparazzi, or her courting them with calculatedly bizarre behavior.  Then there's the whole is she or isn't she bipolar issue to really muck up things.  Who knows, really?

We've had the same discussion at our house about Aguilera -- as in, who'd have thought she'd be the one to turn out normal?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 18, 2008, 02:33:10 PM
LOL, harrie.  Yep, whodathunkit?

Still reading Richard III?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 18, 2008, 03:23:17 PM
Yes, I am, slowly but surely.  I feel like I should make up some flashcards to keep the Richards and Edwards straight, and I occasionally ask the hubby a stupid question like "when someone is moved from sanctuary to compulsion, does that mean they're about to lose their head?"  Even with my lack of detailed knowledge on the topic, it's an interesting read.   And in a twisted way, Richard III almost qualifies for Celebreality.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 18, 2008, 03:39:14 PM
Right!  I'm going to post a response in non-fiction since history is being used to discuss 1968.  See you there.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 21, 2008, 01:59:28 PM
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article3353769.ece
 
Wintour goes nuclear over Hillary's snub to 'Vogue'


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 22, 2008, 05:28:55 PM
Heath Ledger dead at age 28. Found dead in apartment,NYC


Title: Reality check
Post by: Dzimas on January 23, 2008, 09:02:50 AM
Very sad to hear about Heath.  From what I heard on BBC this morning, he had ventured a little too deep into the dark side in recent pictures, and wasn't getting any sleep.  Really a shame to lose a young talent like that.   


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 23, 2008, 10:29:17 AM
Dzimas,

What people lost sight of because they lose track very fast these days,
Heath had pneumonia and had medication for that. Nowadays, most people take medication if it is caught before requiring hospitalization. One loses a lot of sleep with this illness, and could readily attempt desperately to get some rest, without being alert enough to be cautious. It is a very exasperating illness for an adult. In my childhood there was no medication for pneumonia and my first sibling died when she was about six months old. I have had a couple of bouts with uncomfortable related ailments that were bronchial or pleurisy at age 16 and then again as a young adult in my twenties; thus, well recall the unpleasant discomfort of not being able to breathe adequately in a reclining position in order to have sufficient sleep to recover while you are just out of it in an agitated fog.  I can pretty well discern what took place. Whatever they will find as the post-mortem doesn't much matter nor change a thing.  Young actors habitually use sleeping pills, in other words take uppers and downers because of the hours of their work,  you have to be there no matter how much you have to sit around waiting, you still have to be there early; and, they suffer an inordinate amount of anxiety almost every day of their work-life and about everything, which is fairly typical in their age group.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 23, 2008, 11:25:54 AM
Dzimas,

What people lost sight of because they lose track very fast these days,
Heath had pneumonia and had medication for that. Nowadays, most people take medication if it is caught before requiring hospitalization. One loses a lot of sleep with this illness, and could readily attempt desperately to get some rest, without being alert enough to be cautious. It is a very exasperating illness for an adult. In my childhood there was no medication for pneumonia and my first sibling died when she was about six months old. I have had a couple of bouts with uncomfortable related ailments that were bronchial or pleurisy at age 16 and then again as a young adult in my twenties; thus, well recall the unpleasant discomfort of not being able to breathe adequately in a reclining position in order to have sufficient sleep to recover while you are just out of it in an agitated fog.  I can pretty well discern what took place. Whatever they will find as the post-mortem doesn't much matter nor change a thing.  Young actors habitually use sleeping pills, in other words take uppers and downers because of the hours of their work,  you have to be there no matter how much you have to sit around waiting, you still have to be there early; and, they suffer an inordinate amount of anxiety almost every day of their work-life and about everything, which is fairly typical in their age group.

So maddie, you read that Ledger had recently suffered from pneumonia somewhere?

I've had lifelong respiratory illness because I'm asthmatic.  A couple of months ago the asthma got out of control, and as I have been forced to do so many times in my life, I ended up on large doses of cortisone and prednisone.  A side effect is depression and agitation - they gave me so much this most recent time that I was crazy as a bedbug for several weeks.  The insanity tends to hit hardest in the weeks after the course of prednisone has been completed.  Usually pneumonia is treated with a combo of antibiotics and prednisone.  May just explain what made him sleepless and suicidal.  Of course, they haven't said it was suicide yet, but it surely sounds like that is the case.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 23, 2008, 12:33:49 PM
Harrie, perhaps this would help you with Dick the third....

http://www.sparknotes.com/shakespeare/richardiii/

(my kids understand that I will disembowel them first and ask questions later if I ever catch them using this website...apparently quite a few use these in lieu of actually reading a book)

Ledger outlived James Dean by three years, IIRC.  Of course, it's easier to build a legend with a wrecked Porsche than with asthma medication.

 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 23, 2008, 12:37:34 PM
Dzimas,

What people lost sight of because they lose track very fast these days,
Heath had pneumonia and had medication for that. Nowadays, most people take medication if it is caught before requiring hospitalization. One loses a lot of sleep with this illness, and could readily attempt desperately to get some rest, without being alert enough to be cautious. It is a very exasperating illness for an adult. In my childhood there was no medication for pneumonia and my first sibling died when she was about six months old. I have had a couple of bouts with uncomfortable related ailments that were bronchial or pleurisy at age 16 and then again as a young adult in my twenties; thus, well recall the unpleasant discomfort of not being able to breathe adequately in a reclining position in order to have sufficient sleep to recover while you are just out of it in an agitated fog.  I can pretty well discern what took place. Whatever they will find as the post-mortem doesn't much matter nor change a thing.  Young actors habitually use sleeping pills, in other words take uppers and downers because of the hours of their work,  you have to be there no matter how much you have to sit around waiting, you still have to be there early; and, they suffer an inordinate amount of anxiety almost every day of their work-life and about everything, which is fairly typical in their age group.

So maddie, you read that Ledger had recently suffered from pneumonia somewhere?

I've had lifelong respiratory illness because I'm asthmatic.  A couple of months ago the asthma got out of control, and as I have been forced to do so many times in my life, I ended up on large doses of cortisone and prednisone.  A side effect is depression and agitation - they gave me so much this most recent time that I was crazy as a bedbug for several weeks.  The insanity tends to hit hardest in the weeks after the course of prednisone has been completed.  Usually pneumonia is treated with a combo of antibiotics and prednisone.  May just explain what made him sleepless and suicidal.  Of course, they haven't said it was suicide yet, but it surely sounds like that is the case.

No.  Sure doesnt to me.

Madupont's description above sounds more likley


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 23, 2008, 03:52:02 PM
Dzimas,

What people lost sight of because they lose track very fast these days,
Heath had pneumonia and had medication for that. Nowadays, most people take medication if it is caught before requiring hospitalization. One loses a lot of sleep with this illness, and could readily attempt desperately to get some rest, without being alert enough to be cautious. It is a very exasperating illness for an adult. In my childhood there was no medication for pneumonia and my first sibling died when she was about six months old. I have had a couple of bouts with uncomfortable related ailments that were bronchial or pleurisy at age 16 and then again as a young adult in my twenties; thus, well recall the unpleasant discomfort of not being able to breathe adequately in a reclining position in order to have sufficient sleep to recover while you are just out of it in an agitated fog.  I can pretty well discern what took place. Whatever they will find as the post-mortem doesn't much matter nor change a thing.  Young actors habitually use sleeping pills, in other words take uppers and downers because of the hours of their work,  you have to be there no matter how much you have to sit around waiting, you still have to be there early; and, they suffer an inordinate amount of anxiety almost every day of their work-life and about everything, which is fairly typical in their age group.

So maddie, you read that Ledger had recently suffered from pneumonia somewhere?

I've had lifelong respiratory illness because I'm asthmatic.  A couple of months ago the asthma got out of control, and as I have been forced to do so many times in my life, I ended up on large doses of cortisone and prednisone.  A side effect is depression and agitation - they gave me so much this most recent time that I was crazy as a bedbug for several weeks.  The insanity tends to hit hardest in the weeks after the course of prednisone has been completed.  Usually pneumonia is treated with a combo of antibiotics and prednisone.  May just explain what made him sleepless and suicidal.  Of course, they haven't said it was suicide yet, but it surely sounds like that is the case.

No.  Sure doesnt to me.

Madupont's description above sounds more likley

But how does she know he had pneumonia?  I haven't seen that in any of the media accounts.  Of course, today they're saying that it  didn't look like a suicide deal, but why on earth would he take such a large dose of whatever it was right before time for a massage?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 23, 2008, 04:48:36 PM
The pneumonia thing has been flitting around the news, and the latest thing I've heard is about a rolled $20 bill that's being tested.  But for what, I wonder...?  This is probably going to take a while to shake out, and even then, who really knows, besides Ledger himeslf?  So far, either today's autopsy is inconclusive or they're keeping it quiet.

Barton, thanks for the tip.  I've got the hubby, desdemona and the org chart already, but I'm not above a shortcut here or there.  As long as I'm not being graded or anything.

Hey, wait a minute -- I was an English major, dude!  Reading Shakespeare's a piece of cake, but Shakes based his play on anti-York propoganda which may or may not be true.  Everyone played so dirty at the time, Richard III may  have been no angel; but he played by roughly the same rules as his predecessors and successor, as far as I can tell. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind once I've read fifty or so books on the topic.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 24, 2008, 10:20:56 AM
Harrie -

Unpacked my books last night (finally bought a shelf for my new home) and found The Princes in the Tower!  Also Weir's Wars of the Roses!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 24, 2008, 11:51:07 AM
Nicholson, a friend, said he had warned Ledger about taking Ambien, which he (Nicholson) claims gave him mood swings and the desire to drive his car off a cliff.  Not that Jack Nicholson blaming mood swings on a med is real authoritative or anything.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 24, 2008, 12:06:34 PM
Harrie -

Unpacked my books last night (finally bought a shelf for my new home) and found The Princes in the Tower!  Also Weir's Wars of the Roses!

Excellent!  On my end, the cover to The Princes in the Tower looks awfully familiar, so we're going through the books at home before I commit my bookstore card.  Already have the Wars of the Roses one, starting that shortly.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 24, 2008, 02:29:47 PM
Harrie -

Unpacked my books last night (finally bought a shelf for my new home) and found The Princes in the Tower!  Also Weir's Wars of the Roses!

Excellent!  On my end, the cover to The Princes in the Tower looks awfully familiar, so we're going through the books at home before I commit my bookstore card.  Already have the Wars of the Roses one, starting that shortly.

Okay, harrie.  I am going to finish my Mary Queen of Scots bio (my third one) and then plunge back into medieval England.  I think I'll start with The Princes in the Tower.  God I love this stuff!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 24, 2008, 02:31:05 PM
Where's maddie I wonder?  I get worried about her if she drops out for a few days.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 24, 2008, 02:52:56 PM
Maddie is busily interacting in the Film threads, among others.

Why is Celebreality harboring a chat about British history and literature?  Just how far back do we go in using the term, "celebrity?"

Now you have me wondering if William the Conqueror was followed around by sketch artists, furiously drawing away as they chased after him on his way into the pub or brothel.  What would be the early equivalent of grabbing a camera and yanking the film or memory card out of it? 





Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 24, 2008, 02:54:19 PM
I'm in the campaign forum. Dzimas and I sometimes run a dueling team against both the Republicans and the Democrats.  Either he starts on an issue they raise, and I dig up more; or we reverse , and I do a monologue of complaints and then he substantiates.  As Marti from New Jersey (and Am.History nytimes) used to comment, we could have been Dorothy and Dick on WOR in the morning. That's Dorothy Kilgallen and her husband,Richard Kollmar who broadcast out of their apartment and called it Breakfast with Dorothy and Dick.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 24, 2008, 02:55:41 PM
Barton, Guillaume laid them in the hay lofts of barns.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 24, 2008, 04:15:51 PM
Maddie is busily interacting in the Film threads, among others.

Why is Celebreality harboring a chat about British history and literature?  Just how far back do we go in using the term, "celebrity?"

Now you have me wondering if William the Conqueror was followed around by sketch artists, furiously drawing away as they chased after him on his way into the pub or brothel.  What would be the early equivalent of grabbing a camera and yanking the film or memory card out of it? 





Can't discuss in World History because they're talking about another book by consensus, so decided to disrupt the action over here.

Seriously, just made a passing remark cause I saw harrie over here, one thing led to another, etc.  Actually, Celebreality is a good topic title for any discussion of Richard III and his contemporaries, who lead a life far more drama-filled than even Britney's.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 24, 2008, 04:16:27 PM
LOL, maddie.  Tag teaming with Dzimas isn't a bad idea.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 25, 2008, 11:50:35 AM
So....to merge Richard III seamlessly with this topic....one must ask, did he wear underpants?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 25, 2008, 01:36:51 PM
I seem to remember reading that he was fond of shocking his courtiers by strolling around with no codpiece, but let me check my sources...


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 25, 2008, 01:52:34 PM
Only his dresser knows for sure.....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 25, 2008, 01:53:43 PM
But I just don't want to think about, much less picture, Richard III going commando.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 25, 2008, 03:17:04 PM
If they really wanted to cut up sartorially in those days, they did things like lengthening the points on their sleeves and shoes, really off-the-wall stuff like that... ;)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 25, 2008, 03:22:45 PM

LOL, maddie.  Tag teaming with Dzimas isn't a bad idea.
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Well, he was just so nice about keeping me informed; when everyone ignored American Dynasty by Kevin Phillips(except valle-inclan, of course, and donotremove, and occasionally people would figuratively "open the door to  see what we were up to " while I was given this crash course  in the Basics of the Bush Attitude toward non-Bush Republicans and others...somehow beneath contempt.  This was inspiring. I had just thought of Bushes as nit-wits, previously; now I kept track of their entire history, re: this forum and Richard the III for instance. The luncheon table conversation of little George when the Queen came to lunch on her Virginia trip was an eye-opener. Elizabeth's remark to Barbara, just between Mothers, was likewise insightful. Nothing on the order of, "I have one just like that at home,myself. Charles has his head full of architecture and gardening ...." Well, you get the picture.

I just popped in to see if anybody had found any articles on this afternoon's funeral or perhaps this evening at the Campbell Funeral Home. The Ledgers were expected to arrive today. I have an inkling that Manhattan is going  to have something that looks like a mob cordoned off on the sidewalk opposite side of the street.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 25, 2008, 03:35:37 PM
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So....to merge Richard III seamlessly with this topic....one must ask, did he wear underpants?


Barton, those were the under-pants; no panty lines, you know.  The benefit of tights was that you just roll them down from the waist. The French always set the fashion  originally introduced to Harold and also laughed themselves silly when noticing that the 'English' got down from their horses to engage in combat. They had never seen anything so silly in their life.  After that generations at court always asked when the French dance master was arriving.

Everything else on the ballet can be found in the Poetry forum, I suspect. You can begin to understand how useful tights were as a garment for all occasions when you think about slipping into your armor  for a little jouer. The French learned this from the Romans(about the horse-play not the tights and garters); so someone had to teach it to those on the other side of the channel. I just saw the most wonderful film the other night on how to get fried by getting in too close with the battering ram; oh,yes, that was Braveheart.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 27, 2008, 06:38:19 PM
Sex and the City actress Sarah Jessica Parker (left) says she has a crush on French president Nicolas Sarkozy, comparing him to the fictional 'Big' from her TV series. (Mail on Sunday)

See, Western Europe forum for accompanying sillyness....


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 28, 2008, 11:24:52 AM
So.....Angelina Jolie is looking kind of pregnant.  Is this old news that I missed?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 28, 2008, 12:03:27 PM
I could not see at the ceremonies last night but they did give the impression of being the reigning married couple of the entire screen acting establishment. Twice the Charisma; which even seemed to diminish the crazy thin man energies of Daniel Day-Lewis seated immediately next to them at the table.

However, I had seen an announcement some where in passing( I get the thrash side of my internet provider, which I guess from now on I shall have to call the "Celebreality" side of the news; and have to in order to get the political movements and developments dedicated to counteracting it) that it has been discovered (by medical practitioners, I hope)she is carrying twins. Which more or less confirms Brad's suggestion that there is validity in stopping the adoptions which acquire more children.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 28, 2008, 12:06:02 PM
So.....Angelina Jolie is looking kind of pregnant.  Is this old news that I missed?

Rumor has it she's expecting twins.  She's turning into a regular Mother Earth.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 28, 2008, 12:29:19 PM
Yikes! Somehow I missed all that; thanks for the updates, ladies.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 28, 2008, 01:20:12 PM
There's a comedian who's got a funny bit about how, if you are a guy and want to sound creepy, just end any phrase with the word "ladies."  It works, if you are male, and you kind of draw out the word "ladies" just a little bit.  Dmitri Martin, I think, an up and coming talent.  Sorry, Harrie, your "ladies" made me think of that.

I pretty much loathe Brangelina.  Brad, for leaving Jennifer Aniston who is about a hundred miles farther up the evolutionary scale, IMNSHO, and Angelina, for being vastly overrated, hypocritical (more womb-babies, after all the Green posturing?), for trash-talking about her dad, who strikes me as a pretty good guy, and for naming herself "Pretty" in French.  Blech.  In the immortal words of Alec Baldwin to his daughter, "you're a spoiled little pig!"



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on January 28, 2008, 01:42:31 PM
There's a comedian who's got a funny bit about how, if you are a guy and want to sound creepy, just end any phrase with the word "ladies."  It works, if you are male, and you kind of draw out the word "ladies" just a little bit.  Dmitri Martin, I think, an up and coming talent.  Sorry, Harrie, your "ladies" made me think of that.

I pretty much loathe Brangelina.  Brad, for leaving Jennifer Aniston who is about a hundred miles farther up the evolutionary scale, IMNSHO, and Angelina, for being vastly overrated, hypocritical (more womb-babies, after all the Green posturing?), for trash-talking about her dad, who strikes me as a pretty good guy, and for naming herself "Pretty" in French.  Blech.  In the immortal words of Alec Baldwin to his daughter, "you're a spoiled little pig!"



And don't forget the unabashed lying that she and Brad indulged in when he first left JA - "I would never break up a marriage like that!  My mother went through that with my father!"  This as they were setting themselves up as a family for all to see.  Yet still, she gets Celebrity "Humanitarian" award this year.  ARGH. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: nytempsperdu on January 28, 2008, 09:31:04 PM
barton: Yes, it is Demetri (correct spelling, right off the DVD box) Martin, my daughter's current fave entertainer.  She cites his playing of guitar, piano & combo of the 2: "keytar" (on final ep. of Flight of the Conchords), as well as harmonica, and not forgetting his drawings and his ability to write/draw with both hands at the same time.  I got her a Steven Wright DVD to go w/Demetri's because I see some similarities in the word/concept humor.  Wright's more cerebral, Martin more whimsical, glad we can have both.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 29, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
Barton,re:#433

A friend of mine used to tell me that her mother always addressed her as, "Ma chat, ma reine", but that was during the war years and she was an only child. I can kind of understand the motivation; hate to tell you what my mother called me.

If you want to hear a real good intonation on "Ladies!", which you are probably not in a position to hear, it is on the wards from the candy-stripers and the LPNs although quite often the RNs over-step their professional conduct by referring to the patients directly this way as they come bouncing into your room first thing in the morning after  yacking away at the nurses station on the night shift forgetting that the patients are sleeping or trying to sleep.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 30, 2008, 08:38:57 AM
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And don't forget the unabashed lying that she and Brad indulged in when he first left JA - "I would never break up a marriage like that!  My mother went through that with my father!"  This as they were setting themselves up as a family for all to see.  Yet still, she gets Celebrity "Humanitarian" award this year.  ARGH.

I never could see what Brad saw in Jennifer, or Gwenyth for that matter.  They both strike me as insufferably boring persons.  But, I have to admit Jen has a nice ass, which she proudly displayed in Along Came Polly.  Otherwise, the movie was a waste of time.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 30, 2008, 11:43:33 AM
I kind of feel that way myself about Jennifer A.  Some trivial movie or several. My only question had been did she live in Santa Barbara before they were an item or only after she and Brad were a couple? With that comfortable proximity  to the business center of the film industry, more should  have happened with the direction of her career if that was in her.
She may be family connected to Santa Barbara;I'm not sure.

Gwyneth, of course, is --not to S.B. but, the
"Industry", through her parents.  She did a knock out performance, as a cafe-lounge singer, whom everybody from the era figures had to be Peggy Lee(not an apparent copy for the sake of appearance,rather an emotional tribute to what went into that voice which made you listen to Lee in the first place), for the film:  Infamous   

That's the "other" movie to: Capote
which some of us often compare as to the various roles, or the handling of certain aspects of the material, whether the characters in their lighter aspects; or, how the Crime is conveyed; or, the performances given by the perpetrators of the central incident.

That said, I don't think Angelina looks like the kind of person who takes a back-seat to anybody, although she may overdo the smoldering look these days a bit too often.  Most women will come through that way by instinct without thinking twice about it when a person of the opposite sex sufficiently attracts them.  But a lot of the time, on the scene of public appearances she decides that she is not going to turn her face from the camera and, when you catch her slight acknowledgement of the public having any business butting into her professional routine, she gives you attitude of the kind that made her a knock-out character in the film with her husband of the time, Billy Bob Thornton,  PUSHING TIN.
This film had me in stitches from first 'til last.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 30, 2008, 11:56:27 AM
If Jennifer A is boring (but nicely assed), then it's owing in large part to the nice-girl roles in which she's often cast.   I think she has somewhat more charm and character than a lot of the pop tarts that are discussed here. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 30, 2008, 12:11:53 PM
Typecast or the type fits? 

I thought she was pretty good in Office Space.  The whole button thing was a hoot as she handled those scenes very well, but that's about as far as it goes with me.  Maybe she will surprise me one day?

I thought Gwyneth was pretty good in Royal Tannenbaums, but once again that's about as far as it goes with me, and she's not really much to look at, especially when she stands sideways.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 30, 2008, 12:24:15 PM
Gwyneth looks like a real woman, not an athlete or supermodel.   She's done fine work in Shakespeare in Love, Proof, Possession, Emma, TRTbaums, etc.   I haven't given much attention to how she stands sideways, but I don't require giant pointy boobs or supermodel shoulders in order to appreciate the grace of the female form.


 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on January 30, 2008, 12:27:26 PM
Barton,

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on that one.  I don't find her work particularly compelling, nor does she hold a candle to Cate Blanchett, who should have won the Oscar that year. But, that's what having great connections does for you!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: kidcarter8 on January 30, 2008, 12:33:31 PM
What are you so bitter over? 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: harrie on January 30, 2008, 05:37:23 PM
I thought the Gwyneth Paltrow sideways remark was just a joke, as in she's such a wisp of a thing that she disappears when she stands sideways.  And I'm sorry barton, but being a real woman myself, I just don't think Gwyneth looks like a real woman at all. I know some real women who would sell their first born to look half as good as Gwyneth on one of her so-so days. (Just letting my inner crone speak for a minute...)

madupont, I don't know about a Santa Barbara connection for Ms. Aniston, but she does come from a business family.  Her father is John Aniston, who was (is?) a soap actor, I think on Days of Our Lives.

Gotta say, acting-wise neither one has ever wowed me.  Aniston was very good in Office Space, IMO, but it wasn't exactly a big challenge.  She was also good in Friends With Money as sort of a voice of (slackerish) reason among a bunch of self-absorbed rich people, not that she wasn't all that self-absorbed herself, but without the money to really indulge in said self-absorption. 

With Paltrow, I just always feel like I'm watching her "do her craft" -- but that may be unfair on my part since I haven't seen much of her besides Shakespeare in Love.  And I'm not even sure I've seen the whole flick.  But in Royal Tennenbaums and Running With Scissors (what I saw of it), I still got the "oh, look -- I'm acting" vibe.  It's probably me, not her.

What the hell do I know, anyway? Not much.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: law120b on January 30, 2008, 07:19:44 PM
what the hell do any of us know, unless were kid carter or stayed in a holiday inn last night?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 31, 2008, 09:56:58 AM
harrie, I know what you mean about "doing her craft". My hunch is  that habit develops early and remains unconscious if your mother was what they now call " a female actor".  I mean, Blythe Danner was not all that bad. Now was she? But, that's a lot of influence with which to grow up.

I didn't mind it so much with Paltrow's appearance as: Sylvia.   At least there was Daniel Craig to look at.  And, in actor's parlance, he kind of tears up the scenery. Which has now stood him in good stead, if they retain him for the Bond role.

Gwyneth  was also not bad in a little adapted from the stage film, Proof, opposite both Jake Gyllenhaal and Anthony Hopkins on the same bill, although the subject matter is a tad esoteric outside of academia but says something about the morality of a new custom: stretching the truth
which was previously never condoned under university auspices. But, I guess when you hit a period in which G.Bush can pick up judge Sam Alito who went on record of approving discrimination at one of America's historically first colleges, maybe the movies have to express that truth will out.

Granted, Gwyneth performed as somewhat a plain Jane in this one, the professor's daughter like so many coeds in a hoody who never wears makeup, but she had a contract as a representative model with Estee Lauder by the time that she made her brief appearance for Infamous and stopped the show; as a signal that we were about to see another moral tale that appearances are deceiving,  while faking friendship, and that it wrecks emotional havoc when infatuation with an idea leads to falling through the trap-door of love.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on January 31, 2008, 12:00:31 PM
Mainly, I just put Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow behind me and moved on.  Lots of Gwyn's sideways is visible in that thing she did with Ethan Hawke, some bit of film vaporware that involved artists and possibly Canada and possibly murder.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on January 31, 2008, 07:21:02 PM
Oh, gads,yes, I caught that on tv. It was some kind of classic remake but I forget what of, Dickens, I expect because Miss Haversham was on board.  Those were two of the most unlikely lovers ever to be set up.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 01, 2008, 02:53:44 AM
I'm waiting for a movie that includes Angelina, Gwyn and Jen all together.  That would really be something.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 01, 2008, 12:24:33 PM
Dzimas,

First you look up their filmography and figure out who were their directors for which of their films were successful (not by your own taste but, ugh,the public taste which never ceases to amaze me, which is why I sometimes ask stupid questions of jbottle when as this week Juno has better box office than There Will Be Blood despite the award and the publicity).

Then you have to survey  not those directors but the producers who hired that director( having determined which has the best clout) pitch him an offer, which if one has the money could  confirm you as an independent producer and he'll say, "you make it."  Follow me so far. Only when you have the production connection do you go ahead and approach each of the stars' agents in turn who will haggle with the other agents once they have notified their  star who is asking,"who else has signed on?" because they are very picky about who they will appear with, success especially recent success makes one desirable. Not that it will be any time soon that the film is actually in the can. You see, everything is of the moment, not only because the stars attention span is short but they are operating  on the vanity of who is important enough to work with me?  That is  why the agent does this dirty work ahead of time because agents can be fired and a more agreeable agent found who as Burns said(not George but Robert) does see you  as others see you. Which is why stars have the gift ...God gee ya.

But we are already a head of our story, where is the money? or, Show me the money! And who ever is putting up, or whoever is raising the money will be doing it because of the story.  Story by whom? Although history tells us in some cases in your theoretical filming starring two geese and a swan or two swans and a goose or however you figure it, one can have a figurative scenario of how you see it, if you are financing a percentage favorable enough, and a writer is picked up.   On the other hand nowadays, your experience in critical analysis of film at nytimes.com as well as what is going on  with the political perception in this country,and the fact that they sometimes but not that often read the books ,again at nytimes com., that actually had stories current to match up with political perception and public interest and which were best seller$

In other words, from the time that Paul Zweig reviewed Thomas Keneally's book,Schindler's List,for The New York Times, in 1984,it wasn't until 1993 that Spielberg made the film.

We can take for granted his interest and that he was informed as some of the Schindler Jews live in LA as well as Israel but that was then so few remain today. I don't recall seeing a book about Schindler until 1993 although I had read other material about him along the way, or references to him.

For instance, Robert De Niro took five years to produce The Good Shepherd, with screen writing from Eric Roth who has an excellent long record of films that were successes; but the public did not get who Matt Damon was in this film, nor did they like Angelina Jolie who played Margaret 'Clover' Russell. Yet, if her stock went down because of misperception on the part of her usual audience, it went right back up again playing Mariane Pearl, in: A Mighty Heart.

And, only God knows? that Bruce Paltrow's daughter may have Steven Spielberg in her life somewhere as the equivalent of a god-father considering that baptism is not a current fad among the Industry's Jews and I don't even know if she was Bas Mitzvahed? I forget as much as I ever knew. But this last few days, I've been told somewhere that people weren't even interested in books much less films about the Nazi period until Kennedy had been assassinated. Maybe you said it? Or it was something you posted (in one or the other history forum) or it may have been the contention of you know who?

And i have not even covered Jennifer Aniston because I watched that tv show maybe three times in the long run, more out of interest in the zany ability of Lisa Kudrow,"female actor" par excellence.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 01, 2008, 12:28:04 PM
And this was what I really came to post about:

George Clooney snubbed by UN

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/people,635,george-clooney-laughs-off-un-snub,15863


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 04, 2008, 03:53:49 AM
I'm waiting for a movie that includes Angelina, Gwyn and Jen all together.  That would really be something.

Maddy, I think a cinematic version of Three Sisters might work.  Too bad Louis Malle is no longer around, but David Mamet might be audacious enough to try it?  Although I see he is busy with Joan of Bark, The Dog that Saved France,

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0414181/



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 04, 2008, 12:15:25 PM
Here's the 1943 cover of Time Magazine for the production in that year.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1101421221_400.jpeg

I'm afraid Ruth Gordon is the only one of The Three Sisters  who is still contemporaneously recognizeable to the public at large (because of her appearance with Bud Cort, in Harold and Maud ; or, Rosemary's Baby,for that matter); although I did see Judith Anderson on stage sometime in the 1950s and can't for the life of me figure out what she would have been  doing on tour of the sticks at the time since she was far better known for her Medea in that period? I was under the impression that I'd seen her in Brecht's,Caucasian Chalk Circle but I find no listing in Int.Broadway Data Base that she ever did the role.

And, although, Laurence Olivier directed the film version in 1970 and played the role of Dr.Chebutikin, with a very good cast which included his wife Joan Plowright(as Masha) who has become popular with Americans over the years, as well as Derek Jacobi(as Andrei), I'm afraid that Chekov's family dramas are not well known in general to the American public in our era.

Wallace  Shawn tried again post-Olivier  to interest us in Chekov with Vanya on 42nd.St. and that was eventually made into a film by Louis Malle, translation by David Mamet, and starred Julianne Moore, with the opportunity to view it on television.

You and I have talked about this production before --http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0109491/
Or, Uncle Vanya, known as: Country Life, with Greta Scacchi and Sam Neill,in1994. He has, by the way, six films in production,post-production,filming, or complete at this time!

Obviously, Chekov's play with the most profound effect in the US has been:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:SakuraHealed.png               
The Cherry Orchard

Perhaps, it applies to now?

E.G. Marshall, Helen Hayes, and Susan Strasburg, were in the 1959  production for Play of the Week television series.  Meryl Streep played at Lincoln Center in 1977 as Varya. Cacoyannis filmed Charlotte Rampling as Ranevskaya with Alan Bates,in1999.  Annette Bening as Ranevskaya and Alfred Molina as Lophakin, appeared at the Mark Taper Forum in Los Angeles  two years ago.

I think that Three Sisters is probably too dense a scenario for Angelina,Gwyneth, and Jennifer.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 05, 2008, 04:35:38 AM
Quote
I think that Three Sisters is probably too dense a scenario for Angelina,Gwyneth, and Jennifer.

My tongue was in cheek on that one, maddy, but they can always dumb the play down to suit their relative acting abilities.  It has been done before.

I don't think Mamet translated Uncle Vanya, as there are many fine translations available.  He adapted it to suit Malle's cinematic vision which made the play into a rehearsal as I remember.  Very well done. 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 05, 2008, 10:44:41 AM
Why I presented a cross-section of American exposure to Chekov is that I have seldom run into people  outside of theatre who were the least bit interested.  As a child, I knew that Chekov was a doctor(like a number of other writers)because my father was; and, that he had actually practiced medicine (so the period, he writes about is a major change). By the time that I approached middle-age, sitting around  in my parents' yard listening to my niece do her English reading lessons, watching as my siblings come and go from the house, the "boys" smoking cigarettes in the back yard, singularly, coming there one by one, while our father was dying in the little bedroom which had once been their nursery, I knew where I was  sitting in that world as Chekov has seen it.

He's a family dramatist but he's an historian.

Which of the  "three sisters",Angelina,Gwyneth,Jennifer, will have greatly improved herself for the post-bourgeois world, when the newer leftist playwrights emerge from the Gold Coast?   

I'm betting on Jolie.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 06, 2008, 02:23:28 AM
Director David Lynch, creator of dark and violent films, lectured at college campuses about the ''ocean of tranquility'' he found in more than 30 years of practicing transcendental meditation.

In a telephone interview with The Associated Press, Lynch said it has aided him ''in every aspect of life,'' including his creative work.

He said he believed the Maharishi has laid the groundwork for world peace, even if that was not immediately apparent from world affairs.

''The world appears in bad shape on the surface, but I compare it to a tree: there are yellow sickly leaves dropping off but the Maharishi has brought nourishment to the roots. Hang on for a little while longer, it's coming.''

Lynch said he experienced a mixture of feelings about the Maharishi's death: ''It's a big, big sorrow, and yet you know, he's in a very good place. He always was. Peace is coming.''

Some 5 million people devoted 20 minutes every morning and evening reciting a simple sound, or mantra, and delving into their consciousness.

Excerpt from an A.P. bulletin tonight while waiting for the Super Tuesday to quit being so super.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: pugetopolis on February 08, 2008, 12:47:59 AM
(http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/b9b/f8f/b9bf8fd4-8ddd-4dc8-a89d-3a52c67eb339)

http://tinyurl.com/yuy74x

Louella Parsons
1881-1972



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 08, 2008, 05:09:17 AM
New Rules. New word. Celebutantes.

http://youtube.com/user/Celebutantes1

Couldn't make up my mind whether this goes here, or in book review, or in Movies, of course, Movies even though this isn't a movie. It is a book  by two West Coasters, one of whom is Dennis Hopper's daughter.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on February 08, 2008, 11:47:36 AM
Not sure where to post this either, but yesterday I saw Chelsea Clinton --- standing about 20 feet away from her -- I mean, I could SMELL Chelsea Clinton...well, sort of.   She is minty and fresh.  She is also in Nebraska helping stump for Mom and spoke to a crowd of students at the union here at UNL.  She seems pretty bright....so maybe this should go in a thread called....

CEREB-REALITY

 


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 08, 2008, 03:02:58 PM
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20176409,00.htm

Ledger family returned to Australia. Michelle Williams arrives with their grand daughter. Kirsten Dunst enters rehab at Cirque Lodge(what a good name). Vocational college at Baton Rouge has a shooting. Sugar Refinery blows up in Georgia;and is probably connected to--

Bush has lowest approval ratings thus far from Congress which has low approval ratings from the public and the public in Georgia can tell you it is from Occupational Hazards bypassed under the great employment arrangements made during the Bush administration to buttress local Republican Congressional standings with the Republican constituencies in localities throughout the country; similar to the first big bridge collapse at Minnesota which was only the tip of the melting iceberg.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 08, 2008, 04:45:02 PM
Hey, Barton: could not  Chelsea make a minty and fresh Rock the Vote candidate for Obama's vice president, just to frost the cake?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on February 14, 2008, 12:13:08 PM
Now there's a youthful ticket, for sure.


Re the Britney question above -- the obvious answer is that the guy who said "there are no second acts in America" was just dead wrong and the axiom is being constantly disproved.  The thing with Britney is -- and this is why I would qualify my assertion that it ain't over -- is there really any talent there which could be taken out of mothballs?  I mean, yeah, a Kathleen Turner all puffy on prednisone, can make a terrific comeback, but then she is an actual actress with clear signs of talent and some brains.  The thing about Britney, and maybe this is part of why she has wound up in a mental hospital, is it's hard to tell if she is a real person, or a marketing phenomenon that has been engineered by pushy parents and a puerile lust for attention.  I'm hoping there is a real Britney in there and that EVERYBODY COULD JUST LEAVE HER THE FUCK ALONE FOR A WHILE if possible, and let her get her head together.  I'm talking to you, MEDIA LEECHES.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on February 14, 2008, 02:10:36 PM
Have you morphed into Chris Crocker or something, barton? :D


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 14, 2008, 05:42:55 PM
Hey, Barton: could not  Chelsea make a minty and fresh Rock the Vote candidate for Obama's vice president, just to frost the cake?


I heard she's nearly thirty.  As you know, every adult woman at thirty is an adult woman; but as they say when Paul Thomas Anderson makes the movie,"There Will Be Problems".

1. She is their daughter!   You've had in-laws. You know what I mean.

2. Would Michelle adjust to this Rock the Vote surprise?

No, on second thought, desdemona is right; better you should be like Chris Crocker and get the real Britney in there out of there.

Wow, I've got an idea, after reviewing my own observations on "it's hard to tell if she is a real person, or a marketing phenomenon that has been engineered by pushy parents and a puerile lust for attention." (I simply can't write this but someone ought: the Life and Youth of Hillary Rodham, starring Britney Spears?,is that her last name, quick, Speers).  You like it, horn-rim glasses, hair that she can't do a thing with? Wants to be a lawyer --so she can be a politician, gets a Crush on Boy Clinton. I really think that Britney is the Hillary type.  No one would have the guts to make this movie.)             



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 14, 2008, 05:51:41 PM
Barton, take a look at this! http://www.history.com/media.do?action=clip&id=gahq_pres_marcia_clark_broadband

It's all right, you don't have to look at Marcia Clark, close your eyes, she's come to this after wanting to be a lawyer and get into politics, she announces programs for The History Chanel; but then when she gets to the good part, take a look at Britney,is that Britney or what?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 14, 2008, 11:22:27 PM
The thing with Hillary is that with all the shape-shifting she has done in her life, you would have to have multiple actresses play her in a biopic, or Tracey Ullman.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 15, 2008, 02:45:51 AM
Dzimas,

There was a really strange photo the other day, cropped apparently because I later saw that there was another person in the background of a more inclusive shot who was mirroring the same emotional state in which Hillary herself was addressing the concerns of a person discussing something with her.    Have you run across this?  It has a very weird atmosphere and seems to have come from a video of Hillary in action out there campaigning. 

I had thought her expression unusual enough, saucer-eyed in some sort of exaggerated alarm; but then when you see the other blond behind her further away with that same extremely intense  alarmist physiognomy, you realize they both look like they are  just experiencing electrical shock!  I'm still looking for the video, because as a still, it has a frightening atmosphere that is about as reassuring as discovering a household of bodies neatly in their bunk beds in a San Diego mansion awaiting to be taken up by the comet of some several years back .


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 15, 2008, 07:36:36 AM
Don't know that image, maddy.  I remember that Hillary and Markie Post were a hot item back in Bill and Hillary's early days in the White House. They bore some resemblance to each other.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on February 15, 2008, 11:42:56 AM
Des, I don't know who Chris Crocker is (I am media-deficient and almost a Luddite) so any resemblance I have to persons living or dead is purely....wait I hope I don't resemble anyone who's dead.   I will google this person and report back.



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: barton on February 15, 2008, 11:54:41 AM
Ah, an androgyne and Utube personality who weeps over Britney in some widely-viewed video.  LOL!  Good one!



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 18, 2008, 07:34:33 AM
Media Mogul David Geffen helped raise $18 million for Bill Clinton's campaigns, but now supports Barack Obama. He told the New York Times: "Not since the Vietnam War has there been this level of disappointment in the behavior of America throughout the world, and I don't think that another incredibly polarizing figure, no matter how smart she is and no matter how ambitious she is -- and God knows, is there anybody more ambitious than Hillary Clinton? --can bring the country together. Obama is inspirational, and he's not from the Bush royal family or the Clinton royal family." (Paul Hawthorne, AP)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 19, 2008, 05:34:55 PM
Ben and Jerry endorse Obama.

They have two new obamamobiles from which they are giving free icecream.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 21, 2008, 09:53:00 AM
http://money.aol.com/special/lifestyles-of-2008-presidential-candidates

This looks like the realty section (from The New York Times?) yet it says a lot. Possibly more about the sequential marriage scheme typical of the American way of life.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 24, 2008, 05:13:47 AM
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3183/2281118193_8c1159c386_o.jpg)

http://media.nymag.com/fashion/08/spring/44247/

I'm trying to figure out what this is all about?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 24, 2008, 11:58:44 AM
Dzimas,

If you can't figure it out, just imagine how puzzled the female of your species is each change of season  when the runways of fashion houses with the  names of renowned designers occasion photo-shoots which  The New York Times inevitably displays mystifying women as to how to effect some stunning appearance that couldn't possibly be worn in their  neighborhood ?

The Sunday Magazine section is particularly good for this ; and I believe "fashion week" has recently taken place in Manhattan  which leads to bizarre  attempts showing up at the supermarket(even in Church),as approximated  from searching the closet and the needs-to-be-thrown-away makeup drawer.

From a woman's point of view by the time that she is mature enough to catch on, the obvious  marketing even in the cosmetics industry is to  offer "colours" you no longer have around the house and/or have never before been worn at this time of year. This means sales. Certainly, they are meant to dramatically accent the clothes fashioned for the season. Last night in the cooking forum of our venue, one of the posters reminded us of what we had been wearing in the Seventies, as you can see for yourself. I can't even remember what I wore then! (I take that back, I wore quite a bit of Asian clothing as I recall, for convenience. I noticed by the posted content, that many parts of our nation and a younger age group admit to having worn clothing completely out of synch with other areas of the country. Things that had been worn perhaps an earlier decade because there was that much social-difference with the dividing line of 1968 which we recently discussed in History forum.

Which merely reminds me, you know the film is coming out: Chicago Ten. You and I may have thought of it as: Chicago Seven, but nevertheless. Also the promise of an even more hip version in which Phillip Seymour Hoffman gets to play William Kunstler. I think it was said that Sasha Baron Cohn(Borat) will be playing the other "Hoffman".)

Without a doubt, what you were looking at above, is a lingerie enticement  for the lady of the house to fill up the drawer of underthings. I have on occasion notified our friend martinbeck3 when things in the US look explicitly different(beneath it all) because various areas of South America really have produced the physical typology and the bottom line is higher as a matter of fact where women adore having something to display it in.

Back in the immediate aftermath of "1968",  just as an example of the  divisive social disorder, I had a young suburban lady come out to my  German "North Lake" farm house, to ask me what was appropriate as the offering gift ("puja") to present her Indian guru whom she had described to me  on numerous occasions (so, I knew that he was what in India was called,a "fakir").  I suggested to her the kinds of flowers and/or fruit which are acceptable.

Since, as a lady of Scandinavian heritage, she was able to sew clothes that she liked to wear, in thanks for my advice, she presented me with a garment, the kind of dress often seen in the Sixties, that turned out to be perfect where "meditation circles" gathered energy, roomy enough for sitting in lotus asana comfortably. She did however surprise me(since I am a child of the suburban area where she took up married life), when she said something, I no longer recall pertinent to
what(?),explanatory, "But, it is different for you, since you are a hippie." There was the "thinking divide" of the ideological late Sixties.

Needless to say, she came back from India, shocked at what she had seen.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 24, 2008, 12:00:43 PM
Ps, Dzimas, actually, I think that is Lindsay Lohan attempting to screen test for Marilyn Monroe, if I recall the firstpost UK.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 24, 2008, 01:52:50 PM
I always saw Lindsay Lohan as the Ann-Margaret type, but she seems to have the body for Marilyn Monroe.  There is something eerie about raising Marilyn from the dead like this, but I guess it makes for an interesting photo shoot.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 25, 2008, 10:54:52 AM
This is going to sound very flippant but do you recall at least even a smidgen of a style that became popular in US "fashion circles" as reported in The New York Times in colorful details: The Russian Look ?

With colorful Orientalisms included, it came from ideas that Yves St.Laurent brought back from a trip there (Let's consider him the
Celebreality for today's forum in a look back at what was).  He was an astounding, seemingly-passive person who dominated Parisienne Fashion by taking up where Dior had left off.

Soviet women, on hand to guide his visit upon arrival, eventually brought up the matter, "But, what can we do (in terms of fashion)? We have nothing left, we have severe shortages, how can we be at least in some small way fashionable like women in the West today?"

It didn't take him but a few reflective minutes to reply that they must use what they have as their background and talents, for instance, they knit, don't they? Within minutes he was sketching creations, to be made at home, layers of textured draped fabric and wrappings for body and head, long skirts over boots, tunics over pants tucked into boots. "You have those wide belts, don't you?". He immediately set to work showing them how to hammer nails into leather and bend them decoratively. No one knows where in the world, he got these notions that he'd had since he was a young boy.

Nevertheless, the Paris runway that season was a shock to the waiting photographers as they discovered the richness of color displayed in the totally covered up look, the smoldering eyes of the models.  The New York Times was there like all the other ticketed representatives of the industry in the US hoping to sketch enough in their notebooks to produce knock-offs.

All I had to do was pull out the heavy woolen skirt that is wrapped from front to back around the waist leaving enough leg room for a Mongol woman to ride horse-back (made for us by Tibetans up in Vermont),wrap my head in a woolen babushka knotted above my forehead, and accessorize.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on February 26, 2008, 08:06:26 AM
(http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-080224-oscarawards/ss-080224-oscarawards-08.widec.jpg)

(http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Articles/20071105/425.bardem.country.110507.jpg)

I could see another remake of La Belle et la Bête.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 26, 2008, 02:33:10 PM
But, the original was so good, still comes up to contemporary standards as far as how splendidly fashioned was the Beast.

Bardem has, on the other hand, affected distinct variables of hair-styling for his roles. His carefully coiffed appearance in Malkovich's film quite different than as a dock worker in Los Lunes al Sol/Mondays in the Sun.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on February 27, 2008, 12:01:00 AM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=18271

Farewell Fidel


Title: Re: Celebreality: Harry
Post by: madupont on February 29, 2008, 03:53:06 PM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/people,724,drudge-blows-whistle-harry-blackout,19061


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: pugetopolis on March 04, 2008, 02:18:15 AM
(http://thebosh.com/upload/2007/08/08/shirtless_prince_harry_in_boxers/radar-september-2007-cover_500x659shkl.jpg)

Hairy Haiku

“Harry is not so bad after all. Even so, it seems very unlikely that he'll ever be crowned King of England. Chances are he will lead a life largely bereft of meaning, plagued by paparazzi and devoid of any real sense of accomplishment. Perhaps the real trouble is that men of royal blood, by their nature, need new lands to conquer. Why not give Prince Harry a crack contingent of Gurkha fighting men and set him loose on some war-ravaged region, where he can establish his own princely state as a latter-day white rajah?”  http://thecurrent.theatlantic.com/

My dear Prince Harry—
You can be my white rajah
Any day you want…




Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: ponderosa on March 04, 2008, 08:13:11 AM
Harry, Kim Jong, Barack HUSSEIN Obama, and other stuff.

http://www.unclejayexplains.com/



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on March 04, 2008, 10:32:53 AM
Is Vernon the one to tell Hillary to quit?

Vernon Jordan, the powerful Washington lawyer and fixer who 10 years ago found himself at the epicentre of the Monica Lewinsky storm, is back in the spotlight. If Hillary Clinton fails to win today's crucial Texas and Ohio primaries convincingly, someone has to tell her to give up. If her husband Bill doesn't have the nerve, insiders believe it will be Jordan who'll advise the couple to step aside for Barack Obama.

Jordan, now 72, has been a long and loyal friend to the Clintons. It was he who arranged a new job for Monica Lewinsky when it became imperative, following the scandal of her affair with Bill Clinton, that she disappeared. Which was why, a decade ago this very week, he was hauled before the infamous prosecutor Ken Starr to explain why he took such a personal interest in a young intern's career.

When Bill was finally forced to admit the affair, and went off with Hillary and their daughter Chelsea to Martha's Vineyard, the humiliated First Family left their holiday home for only one date - a birthday dinner with Jordan and his wife, Ann.

Not surprisingly, as one of the most powerful African-Americans in Washington, Jordan has been involved in Obama's rise to fame. Writing on the Huffington Post website last month, George Stevens Jr recounted how in 2003 he was invited to drop by at a Washington fundraiser for an up-and-coming young politician from Illinois. The young man was Barack Obama and the man whose home was used for the event was Vernon Jordan.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on March 10, 2008, 09:54:44 PM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/uselection,,larry-david-fears-for-hillarys-sanity,20070


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on March 11, 2008, 11:56:15 PM
http://www.newyorker.com/nocount/exiting.html


Title: Re: Celebreality Einstein, so there.
Post by: madupont on March 17, 2008, 02:46:44 PM
March 14,1879
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=23266



Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: desdemona222b on March 20, 2008, 12:37:58 PM
Wow, Harry is looking more and more like Prince Charles as a young man all the time.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on March 20, 2008, 08:08:45 PM
But then, Charles is getting rather better looking all the time as he fills out and his silver gray hair begins to mellow him. I caught a video of him and Camilla visiting Jamaica, just like the old timey tours of the Royals but nowadays they are get-aways or vacations in familiar places.

Anyway, they stood off a bit in the marketplace observing a line of drummers and then  Camilla realized that they were supposed to go over and interact, an idea which she was not really quite used to as yet, the concept understandably but not the reality.  So there was a bit of mid-day party fun, looking to the experts as to how to keep time and have rhythm. Then they got up, shook hands and walked onward. As always, the Prince says a few words while shaking hands, I could not really make out what he said but the timbre of his voice has become remarkable nice too.

Ps. thank, God, she wasn't wearing one of her hats! although, this was of course the place where one ought to have been, because of the sun.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on March 22, 2008, 12:47:23 AM
Wow, Harry is looking more and more like Prince Charles as a young man all the time.


But you know what Bill Maher always says when any news about Harry comes up? Not Charles son (must be the stable boy?) or who was that guy with whom Diana was having the affair?  Well that's just Bill Maher.  He couldn't even manage Barney Franks tonight.

I think Harry and his brother both have the authentic coloring of their German ancestors; but you are right, the  angular shape of the face more strongly resembles Charles' bone structure.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on March 26, 2008, 10:06:58 PM
Latest installment. Sarkozy and spouse go to London to meet the Queen.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/?storyID=25448&p=2

Is it just me, or does this remind you  more of Disneyland than Windsor Castle?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on March 30, 2008, 07:47:57 PM
( Sunday Telegraph) Rupert Everett ( sports a bushy ginger beard for a new Channel 4 show about explorer Richard Burton, Victorian Sex Tourist. (Observer)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on April 06, 2008, 12:42:34 PM
Singer Beyonce and rapper Jay-Z are believed to have married in a private ceremony in New York, attended by family members and celebrities, including actor George Clooney



Title: Re: Celebreality To all you Mudders,a
Post by: madupont on May 11, 2008, 01:43:45 PM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/33775,arts,how-did-it-feel

Now more than ever these depictions remind me of Cate Blanchett  than the Bobby Dylan as we remembered him!


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on May 25, 2008, 11:54:35 AM
http://www.blackvoices.com/blogs/2008/05/19/rupaul-back-on-tv-with-drag-contest/?icid=1615988634x1202944764x1200306387


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on May 30, 2008, 10:37:12 PM
Before the day is over, I must repeat what History channel volunteered to Ipod you.  Why is May 30th so special?   

Ah, yes, the day the English burned Jeanne D'Arc at the stake. For witch-craft.  Thus saving her soul?

Occurs to me, if they tried that today, it could only happen in the US under our kind of government administration. Executing a child who hears voices and is somehow capable of leading your troops to battle and actually winning!  I mean George Bush makes a great Dauphine, don't you think; so much more real than a Julian Sands type.


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 03, 2008, 11:59:11 PM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/people,1022,bill-lashes-out-after-affair-allegation,30227


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 09, 2008, 12:50:40 AM
Thomas Beatie, who underwent a sex change ten years ago, but kept his ovaries and womb, has spoken of his joy at being the world's first pregnant man, just four weeks before he is due to give birth. (News of the World)


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 10, 2008, 06:41:14 AM
mad,

Techinally, that's not a dude....Some people will do anything for international attention


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Detective_Winslow on June 10, 2008, 06:44:31 AM
Looks like Hannah Montana is taking the path most chosen........



(http://lh3.ggpht.com/fisherwy/SBYDLTmHW_I/AAAAAAAAOrs/ueQAXVfKRh8/HannahMontanaVanityFairpicture4.jpg)



That photographer should be castrated with a lawnmower blade


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 17, 2008, 05:48:30 AM
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/people,1022,bill-lashes-out-after-affair-allegation,30227

Doesn't seem like that relatively recent by-pass surgery curbed his enthusiasm any, although Bill seemed more red-faced than usual toward the end of the campaign.  High blood pressure perhaps?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 17, 2008, 05:51:49 AM
Looks like Hannah Montana is taking the path most chosen........



(http://lh3.ggpht.com/fisherwy/SBYDLTmHW_I/AAAAAAAAOrs/ueQAXVfKRh8/HannahMontanaVanityFairpicture4.jpg)



That photographer should be castrated with a lawnmower blade

I may be mistaken, but I think that is Miley Cyrus, and the photographer is Annie Leibovitz, I believe.

Here she is with her father,

(http://www.shallownation.com/images/miley-cyrus-billy-ray-cyrus-vanity-fair.jpg)

the man who gave us "Achy Breaky Heart."  Good genes anyway.

Here's a site devoted to the whole controversy,

http://www.shallownation.com/category/photography/


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: Dzimas on June 18, 2008, 05:41:51 AM
Things seem to be going from bad to worse for poor Brit,

Commissioner Grants Jamie Spears Permission To Sell Britney's Home

LOS ANGELES, Calif. -- Jamie Spears, the father of Britney Spears, was given permission to sell the pop singer's home in Studio City, a Los Angeles court commissioner ruled Tuesday.

During a hearing in a downtown LA courtroom earlier today, Commissioner Reva Goetz also ruled that a July 31 hearing will be used to review evidential matters related to the Britney Spears case, Reuters reported. Specifics were not immediately made available by the courts

http://omg.yahoo.com/commissioner-grants-jamie-spears-permission-to-sell-britneys-home/news/9916?nc

She was such a cute young thing before success hit her like a ton of bricks,

(http://www.hollywood-celebrity-pictures.com/Celebrities/Britney-Spears/Britney-Spears-243.JPG)

If it wasn't for Madonna's kiss, things might have turned out different?


Title: Re: Celebreality
Post by: madupont on June 18, 2008, 10:45:07 AM
Just the person I wanted to see, Dzimas.

Saves me from interupting the serious considered opinions of Campaign Forum or Bush Administration for that matter with further info for weezo.

The delicate subject:  Lee: 'Eastwood is an angry old man'
Wednesday, June 11 2008, 09:04 BST

By Beth Hilton, Entertainment Reporter

Spike Lee has hit back at Clint Eastwood for telling him to "shut his face".

The filmmaker accused Eastwood of sounding "like an angry old man" in his response to Lee's accusation that he did not feature enough black actors in his films.

Lee had previously criticised his fellow director for failing to depict any African-American troops in Iwo Jima dramas Flags Of Our Fathers and Letters From Iwo Jima. However, Eastwood insisted that the movies were historically accurate, adding: "A guy like him should shut his face."

Lee told ABC News: "First of all, the man is not my father and we're not on a plantation either. He's a great director. He makes his films, I make my films.

"The thing about it though, I didn't personally attack him. And a comment like 'a guy like that should shut his face' - come on Clint, come on. He sounds like an angry old man right there."

He added: "If he wishes, I could assemble African-American men who fought at Iwo Jima and I'd like him to tell these guys that what they did was insignificant and they did not exist.

"I'm not making this up. I know history. I'm a student of history. And I know the history of Hollywood and its omission of the one million African-American men and women who contributed to World War II."

more:
http://www.boston.com/ae/movies/blog/2008/06/lee_vs_eastwood.html


Now, I'm curious to read that Friday,June 6th. interview of Eastwood at The Guardian (which is sometimes a trip to work with finding anything) but thus far this morning the connection for some mysterious reason does not get through. Do you suppose Bush is back there again, on his tour?



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To be honest, maddy, I found the whole thing a bit silly for two directors with reputations like they have, but then I remember that Wim Wenders and Francis Ford Coppola went at it over something even more silly years ago, so egos are a very fragile thing even at this level.  I can agree with Spike's point that Black service tends to be overlooked in WWII and that it would have been no skin off Clint's nose to have a black or two in the background to at least show their presence at the famous flag-raising.  But then I haven't seen the movie to really be able to judge the matter.


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I think a third option for the poll above could have been, "Does it Matter?"  At some point, dear Brit will reinvent herself and all will be forgiven.  Look how many times Madonna has re-invented herself.  I thought her career was over with Shangai Surprise,

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It was a great dream. My friends set us up, and we got along great. I just had to talk her out of marrying the other guy. It was like in a movie. 

In real life, she is single, with a small child, Raphael. She was here in Southern California recently and some gossip columnists were saying that she was dating Brad Pitt, but she said that she is not dating Brad Pitt. So she is single, and available. I want to date her.

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Norby has had to end the parties, but they were great. Here is a link...

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Title: ACQUISTA UN PASSAPORTO AUSTRALIANO REALE ON LINE,ACQUISTA UN PASSAPORTO REALE IN REGNO UNITO ON LINE
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Title: ACQUISTA UN PASSAPORTO AUSTRALIANO REALE ON LINE,ACQUISTA UN PASSAPORTO REALE IN REGNO UNITO ON LINE
Post by: KindzaK on April 13, 2018, 06:46:19 AM
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Title: Kaufen gefalschte Niederlandische Pass-ID-Karte online / Portugal FAKE PASSPORT zu verkaufen / BELGI
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Title: Kaufen gefalschte Niederlandische Pass-ID-Karte online / Portugal FAKE PASSPORT zu verkaufen / BELGI
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Title: Kaufen gefalschte Niederlandische Pass-ID-Karte online / Portugal FAKE PASSPORT zu verkaufen / BELGI
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