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Title: Giants
Post by: Administrator on July 30, 2018, 11:23:34 AM
What moves will the Giants make this offseason?
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on August 09, 2018, 11:15:21 PM
Looks like another long season after the smackdown by the lowly Browns.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Yankguy1 on August 10, 2018, 08:18:20 AM
 A practice game in the first week of August with the vast majority of the playing time given to guys who won't play a down this regular season is some sort of predictor? Wow. Tough crowd.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on August 30, 2018, 05:43:19 PM
Diva WRs seldom lead to titles. I would have traded OBJ for at least a one.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on September 10, 2018, 05:32:00 PM
Five years now waiting for Eli to return to form. Just too old and beat up.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on September 17, 2018, 01:47:34 AM
When are the Maras going to finally figure it out? Not the coaches, not the oline, not the RBs, or WRs.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on October 07, 2018, 11:49:32 PM
Ok the Drew Lock draft.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 09:14:01 AM
Five years now waiting for Eli to return to form. Just too old and beat up.



Heh

96.6 passer rating
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on October 08, 2018, 09:15:08 AM
What?  That's a career high?

Ok
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Yankguy1 on October 08, 2018, 05:13:00 PM
Which, given the huge run-up in passing numbers this year for everybody, makes him the same average QB he's been for the last several years.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: UNO on October 08, 2018, 09:35:29 PM
Holy Tom Dempsey, that's a sucky way to lose.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on October 12, 2018, 01:20:25 AM
Eli should just retire now and stop embarrassing everyone. HOF career now dragged into the mud. Just a five yard dinker and dunker now.

---Are the champs back? Eagles look dominant in steamrolling Giants---
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on October 13, 2018, 07:50:10 AM
---Behind closed doors, several Giants players have expressed frustration with Manning’s performance, according to sources. One player specifically commented recently about Manning’s inability to do anything against Cover 2 and zone defenses.---

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-giants-players-getting-frustrated-eli-mannings-performance-220738501.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-giants-players-getting-frustrated-eli-mannings-performance-220738501.html)

I love the HOFer Eli but it is clear he just is not the same QB he was in his twenties. You can look for scapegoats blame the coaches or the OL but the truth is the game has passed him by. The front office has hitched their wagon to a fallen star. He is 32nd and last in YPA.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 03:15:39 PM
---Behind closed doors, several Giants players have expressed frustration with Manning’s performance, according to sources. One player specifically commented recently about Manning’s inability to do anything against Cover 2 and zone defenses.---

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-giants-players-getting-frustrated-eli-mannings-performance-220738501.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/report-giants-players-getting-frustrated-eli-mannings-performance-220738501.html)

I love the HOFer Eli but it is clear he just is not the same QB he was in his twenties. You can look for scapegoats blame the coaches or the OL but the truth is the game has passed him by. The front office has hitched their wagon to a fallen star. He is 32nd and last in YPA.

Nah

Having quite a solid year

Tough conditions today.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 16, 2018, 03:16:58 PM
I guess you loved the headline today

Giants Expect To Keep Manning For 2019
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiiidcarter8 on December 29, 2018, 09:49:12 AM
Needed that Iowa State 2 of conversion

3-4 entering today

Taking Michigan, Oke and ND.
Title: 2019 Draft
Post by: Kam on March 04, 2019, 01:33:08 PM
Everyone expects NYG to take a QB in the 1st round.

But y tho?

The team has a lot of needs and the may as well extend their QB in place.  (Renegotiate the deal offer another year for a smaller cap hit)

BPA.

LB.


Title: Olivier Vernon traded
Post by: Kam on March 08, 2019, 04:23:51 PM
for a former #1 draft pick and highest paid ever RG
Giants save 1.5 mil on the 2019 cap.

Once DG signs a RT in FA and drafts a couple backups in the 5th rd, the O-Line will be completely re-built.

Eli will have a line to defend him and Saquaon will have bigger holes to exploit.

1st round, will be either an Edge Rusher or OLB.

Sweat. or White.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 09, 2019, 04:07:23 PM
Yeah.....defense makes sense at #1

I like the idea of looking at the U Buffalo QB
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 01, 2019, 07:15:23 PM
Yeah.....defense makes sense at #1

I like the idea of looking at the U Buffalo QB

Giants are looking closely at the Duke QB Daniel Jones.

Regarding Josh Rosen the Giants do not want to trade any of their first three picks for him (6, 17, 37)

They are also wary of Rosen wanting to start right away and creating a controversy with Eli, who was promised to start.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 25, 2019, 09:13:40 PM
My team is run by the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 26, 2019, 04:41:20 PM
Yeah.....defense makes sense at #1

I like the idea of looking at the U Buffalo QB

Giants are looking closely at the Duke QB Daniel Jones.


Jones is the pick.  Giants pass on Haskins. 

The word was the Skins would take Jones if the Giants took Haskins.

So the criticism is that the Giants did not trade up from 17 or down from 6 to get Jones and more.

Valid criticism of DG.

End of the world? 

Nope.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: CaptainCargo on April 26, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
If Allen turns out to be a superstar and Jones a bust Gettleman will be gone. So of course he's going to say Jones could sit for three years.


Lawrence might be a good pick. Did we give up too much to get the CB? Probably.

Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on May 03, 2019, 05:31:27 AM
Guess DG was picked because he bought the Eli koolaid. Sub-standard QBing for the past half decade. Dont think Jones is the answer. Giant could be like the Lions of the Barry Sanders era?
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 09:14:22 AM
Hmmm

Maybe

Wouldnt kill the Giants to not win a title in the Barkley era.  Lets see them just get back to playoff football.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 03, 2019, 09:19:19 AM
10 years for Barry


12-4
10-6
10-6
9-7
9-7



7-9
6-10
5-11
5-11
5-11


Crushed Cowboys, lost to Redskins in the 12-4 year.


Could have had better coaching
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: whiskeypriest on May 03, 2019, 01:09:28 PM
Well, also better players and better drafting. Cf., Andre Ware.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on September 10, 2019, 04:29:13 PM
Giants just get worse. Bad owners seem to end up in NY. Terrible team effort, little talent.
Title: Giants Bench Eli
Post by: Kam on September 17, 2019, 10:14:45 AM
Sad for #10.   Happy for Big Blue.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on September 25, 2019, 11:56:33 AM
Have not seen a jint QB run around like that in some time. How slow is too slow. Eli is 5 years too slow. Just too easy too defend.
Title: Re: Giants Bench Eli
Post by: kiidcarter8 on September 25, 2019, 12:07:42 PM
Sad for #10.   Happy for Big Blue.

Dont be sad

a)  happens to everyone
b)  we may see Manning in a game this year

At least Eli was a losing (record) QB when he was demoted - unlike Kurt Warner
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on October 01, 2019, 10:48:38 AM
Looks like Mcadoo was right Jints needed a change at signal caller.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on October 09, 2019, 09:49:22 AM
Problem with this team is outside of the front 3 the defense is atrocious.

The first rd pick DL Dexter Lawrence is a gem.   Thanks Odell.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on December 06, 2019, 08:32:41 AM
Ok nostalgia buffs Eli is back. Mara is a teflon god, Seven straight years of mostly terrible football and the coach still gets blamed. Still caught up in the 40's and 50's.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kidcarter8 on December 10, 2019, 03:09:06 PM
Giants were begging to get beaten but Giants wouldn't let it happen

- LaGreca on ESPN Radio NY
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on December 10, 2019, 06:15:49 PM
You mean Eagles? Eli was good for a half than iggles adjusted.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on December 11, 2019, 01:38:41 AM
You mean Eagles? Eli was good for a half than iggles adjusted.

Shurmur has no adjustments.  He's a coordinator.  Not a HC.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on December 13, 2019, 02:11:22 PM
old school jints fired jenkins. Nice losers?
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2019, 01:14:53 PM
Disgusting - first Eli pass right on Shepard's numbers for a DROP.

And now a HORRIBLE offensive PL call as Manning on the mark again.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2019, 01:17:52 PM
old school jints fired jenkins. Nice losers?

Wanted out.  Zero trade value.  Bye.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 15, 2019, 01:35:54 PM
Right on the mark again....1st down to 82.

Now Saquon goes to work.

Giants not too far off....
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on December 17, 2019, 08:07:14 PM
old school jints fired jenkins. Nice losers?

Wanted out.  Zero trade value.  Bye.

Oh no, he called an opponent a "retard". Picked up immediately.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on December 25, 2019, 03:08:06 PM
Giants would make a nice boy scout troop. Loyal and pc perfect. May not win many games though.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on December 30, 2019, 10:30:24 AM
Thank you, Coach Shurmur - good luck in your travels.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on December 30, 2019, 12:44:03 PM
Another terrible season for the NY area NFL fan. Jets and Giants two of the worst for the decade. Shurmer,Macadoo, Coughlin, doesn't matter. New ownership is called for. Paying fans (not me) had to sit through the mess in the open air dump.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: luee on December 31, 2019, 04:28:53 PM
Shurmer modern offensive mind fired dinosaur gm kept.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on January 01, 2020, 01:13:35 AM
yyyeppppppp

Wise move
Title: All Rise
Post by: Kam on January 07, 2020, 01:35:32 PM
Judge is in session
Title: Freddie Kitchens
Post by: Kam on February 06, 2020, 01:22:22 AM
Hires as Giants tight ends coach.

Go Judge has Garrett and Kitchens as former NFL  HC's on his staff.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on February 20, 2020, 03:20:49 PM
Dead money and cap savings if these players are cut before June 1st:

Offensive Tackle Nate Solder ($13,000,000/$6,500,000)
Offensive Guard Kevin Zeitler ($5,000,000/$7,500,000)
Linebacker Alec Ogletree ($3,500,000/$8,250,000)
Wide Receiver Golden Tate ($7,058,823/$3,294,119)
Tight End Rhett Ellison ($2,188,383/$5,000,000)
Linebacker Kareem Martin ($1,166,668/$4,800,000)
Safety Antoine Bethea ($125,000/$2,750,000)
Offensive Center Spencer Pulley ($0/$2,750,000)
Quarterback Alex Tanney ($37,500/$1,000,000)

Title: Offensive Line
Post by: Kam on February 22, 2020, 03:58:34 PM
Would like to see the Giants shore up the line this offseason.  Both tackles and a Center. 
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on February 26, 2020, 01:25:35 PM
Dead money and cap savings if these players are cut before June 1st:

Offensive Tackle Nate Solder ($13,000,000/$6,500,000)
Offensive Guard Kevin Zeitler ($5,000,000/$7,500,000)
Linebacker Alec Ogletree ($3,500,000/$8,250,000)
Wide Receiver Golden Tate ($7,058,823/$3,294,119)
Tight End Rhett Ellison ($2,188,383/$5,000,000)
Linebacker Kareem Martin ($1,166,668/$4,800,000)
Safety Antoine Bethea ($125,000/$2,750,000)
Offensive Center Spencer Pulley ($0/$2,750,000)
Quarterback Alex Tanney ($37,500/$1,000,000)

https://www.giants.com/news/alec-ogletree-kareem-martin-released-2020-free-agency (https://www.giants.com/news/alec-ogletree-kareem-martin-released-2020-free-agency)

Alec Ogletree ($3,500,000/$8,250,000)
Kareem Martin ($1,166,668/$4,800,000)

Frees up another $9mil

Could use that to re-sign Leonard Williams
Title: wtf
Post by: Kam on February 27, 2020, 12:55:15 PM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/27/giants-named-as-potential-tom-brady-suitor/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/02/27/giants-named-as-potential-tom-brady-suitor/)

Please be untrue.
Title: Giants defensive FA additions
Post by: Kam on March 30, 2020, 05:14:21 PM
CB J.Bradberry
LB K.Fackrell
LB B.Martinez

Also added a couple' TEs.
Lost a RT.
Added a backup QB.

Draft should be all about the O-line
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 30, 2020, 05:33:51 PM
or...


Gettleman never trades down and always has his eye on big athletes. There are a few OTs that fit the mold, but Simmons, a 99th percentile Adjusted SPARQ athlete, is rare and immediately improves the Giants’ 27th ranked DVOA defense. Bleacher Report’s Matt Miller also said, “Many NFL scouts believe the New York Giants will select Clemson linebacker/safety Isaiah Simmons at No. 4 overall.




https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/mock-draft-monday-latest-giants-expert-draft-predictions
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 30, 2020, 05:37:33 PM
This guy likes Simmons too

All 7 rounds of G-men picks here

https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/draft/mike-addvenskys-seven-round-giants-only-mock-draft
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on March 30, 2020, 10:25:22 PM
You don't need to use the first round pick on the O-line but you better invest multiple picks there, day 2 and 3.   

I'm not too high on Simmons.

Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on March 31, 2020, 02:27:04 PM
I'm not too high on Simmons.


heh

ok
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: oilcan on April 01, 2020, 04:18:01 PM
Sports talk radio turns instead to toxic masculinity   

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/27/sports-talk-radio-when-theres-no-sports/

Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 01, 2020, 09:29:43 PM
Pay site
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 02, 2020, 01:07:20 AM
I'm not too high on Simmons.


heh

ok

I saw him play in the title game and was duly impressed with his speed and vision but not sure what position he would play in the NFL.  Is he a linebacker? Is he a safety?  Would rather draft someone with a more certain position on defense or go with an OT at 4 if the trade down doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 02, 2020, 10:04:14 AM
You could whiff on your OT pick (read:  pick a 5 year starter but a guy who isnt great for you) and see the freak athlete dominate the league in someone else's uniform

I think Simmons is gone by 4 anyway, so not sure we should quibble.  Looking like a deal down for Giants - gain an extra pick or two and get the lineman.  But should be considering other defenders and even WR as well.
Title: Giants board
Post by: Kam on April 10, 2020, 05:03:09 PM
I think they're probably thinking:

1. Draft Young if available
2. Draft Okudah if available
3. If Simmons is the BPA then trade down and take an OT with the new lower pick
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 10, 2020, 08:20:46 PM
Yeah, maybe....

Have you read anything of the sort - that Giants arent in at all on Simmons?

I saw one mock where they took Isiah - and just one where Giants took Wirfs.  Others are all over the map, including trade downs and ups.

No chance I talk you into Tua?  If we put it out there as a possibility maybe that forces an Oakland or a Miami or a LAC to move up ahead of us, leaving us Young or Ekudah (most likely draft I have seen had Ekudah 2 and Young 3).
Title: Tua
Post by: Kam on April 11, 2020, 01:29:12 AM
I like durable QBs.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 11, 2020, 10:41:31 AM
And I like the current New Orleans system.  Just a thought.  There has been no indication Giants go that way.  Do you think the player would prefer this - an opportunity to be on the field right away - in wildcat situations - to sitting behind a vet on a bad team?
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 11, 2020, 04:36:17 PM
And I like the current New Orleans system.  Just a thought.  There has been no indication Giants go that way.  Do you think the player would prefer this - an opportunity to be on the field right away - in wildcat situations - to sitting behind a vet on a bad team?

You want to draft Tua with a FRP and then play him situationally?  T. Hill was not a FRP.  It would be a huge waste of a draft pick.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 11, 2020, 05:22:38 PM
A weapon and a huge trade chip

Not sure Gettleman has the balls.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 11, 2020, 07:03:00 PM
A weapon and a huge trade chip

Not sure Gettleman has the balls.

Also would create a QB controversy.  Not sure you wanna do that and undercut your pick from last year. 
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 11, 2020, 08:01:05 PM
Nah

No way in hell
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 13, 2020, 01:11:46 PM
I'm warming up to Wirfs. 

Young/Okudah/Wirfs are my top 3
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 13, 2020, 03:14:40 PM
Good player - no doubt

Plays either side as well.

Gettleman just about cant blow this one  -  and why would he?  His drafts have been solid.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 14, 2020, 12:42:02 AM
Good player - no doubt

Plays either side as well.

Gettleman just about cant blow this one  -  and why would he?  His drafts have been solid.

I think his first round picks have been solid.  I don't see him as a visionary who gets value in the later rounds.  But he has gotten the broad strokes correct and you have to give him credit for that.  Only debatable gripe seems to be going for Barkley instead of Quentin Nelson.  The OL would've been better and the need for a guy like Barkley who can make solid plays (when healthy) out of nothing would not have been so great.  But at the time i wanted Barkley and it would've taken major balls to go for a OG there.  He was right in not taking a QB there.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 14, 2020, 12:24:22 PM
Good player - no doubt

Plays either side as well.

Gettleman just about cant blow this one  -  and why would he?  His drafts have been solid.

I think his first round picks have been solid.  I don't see him as a visionary who gets value in the later rounds.  But he has gotten the broad strokes correct and you have to give him credit for that.  Only debatable gripe seems to be going for Barkley instead of Quentin Nelson.  The OL would've been better and the need for a guy like Barkley who can make solid plays (when healthy) out of nothing would not have been so great.  But at the time i wanted Barkley and it would've taken major balls to go for a OG there. He was right in not taking a QB there.

He was right to take BARKLEY there.  No - Saquons don't grow on trees.

It was the QB or the RB.  Dont muddy the discussion by throwing in a lineman.

Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 14, 2020, 05:26:12 PM
Good player - no doubt

Plays either side as well.

Gettleman just about cant blow this one  -  and why would he?  His drafts have been solid.

I think his first round picks have been solid.  I don't see him as a visionary who gets value in the later rounds.  But he has gotten the broad strokes correct and you have to give him credit for that.  Only debatable gripe seems to be going for Barkley instead of Quentin Nelson.  The OL would've been better and the need for a guy like Barkley who can make solid plays (when healthy) out of nothing would not have been so great.  But at the time i wanted Barkley and it would've taken major balls to go for a OG there. He was right in not taking a QB there.

He was right to take BARKLEY there.  No - Saquons don't grow on trees.

It was the QB or the RB.  Dont muddy the discussion by throwing in a lineman.

Not mad at the pick and happy to have dodged those QBs but its proven you don't need a Saquon to win.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 14, 2020, 08:32:23 PM
46-196 - and 4 TDs

11-94 receiving and 2 more TDS

What's that - 6 TD for Damien Williams in the playoffs?

57 touches overall in 3 games?

Not necessary to have a great back?

OK - sure does make it easier.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 15, 2020, 11:11:53 AM
Great teams make good RBs look great.  That was my point.  Williams wasn't even drafted!  They invested elsewhere.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 15, 2020, 09:18:46 PM
Nah... nice try

I dont think anything makes a good back look great.

Eye test on Williams - I dont care where he was drafted - his background was quite impressive pre-senior season - and he is now a seasoned pro with GREAT tools.

Nope - doesnt mean the KC Chiefs could have taken any undrafted "athlete" type and made him a playoff lead dog.  Not one bit

I think we have said enough on the issue.  I am thrilled Barkley is a Giant.  But if you want to lay out how the team might look had we taken Darnold or an OT in his place, I will sure listen.   You cant just make a blanket statement that we'd be better off and let it lie there.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 15, 2020, 09:41:31 PM
Nah... nice try

I dont think anything makes a good back look great.

Eye test on Williams - I dont care where he was drafted - his background was quite impressive pre-senior season - and he is now a seasoned pro with GREAT tools.

Nope - doesnt mean the KC Chiefs could have taken any undrafted "athlete" type and made him a playoff lead dog.  Not one bit

I think we have said enough on the issue.  I am thrilled Barkley is a Giant.  But if you want to lay out how the team might look had we taken Darnold or an OT in his place, I will sure listen.   You cant just make a blanket statement that we'd be better off and let it lie there.

I'm still taking Barkley there, not Darnold.  But there were those advocating trading back, getting more picks, and landing Nelson.

https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/56763/trading-down-for-quenton-nelson-a-realistic-option-for-giants-in-nfl-draft (https://www.espn.com/blog/new-york-giants/post/_/id/56763/trading-down-for-quenton-nelson-a-realistic-option-for-giants-in-nfl-draft)

Giants took another guard in the 2nd rd (Hernandez) after taking Barkley in the first.  So it's an open question if they would have gone Guard in rd1 and followed up with Hernandez in rd2. 

It's hard to project what happens if they'd gone that route.  Do they take RB Nick Chubb (pro bowler) instead of Hernandez?  Do they go with Darius Leonard and fix the gaping hole at LB (2018 defensive first team all pro) Or do they draft two young guards (Nelson was a pro bowler this year) and if they do that you don't need to make the trade with the Browns of Olivier Vernon for Kevin Zeitler  and if you don't make that deal maybe you never expand it to include Beckham.  Etc Etc.... too many variables.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 15, 2020, 11:24:25 PM
New mock - Giants deal down, add a nickel back


Simmons falls to 14


https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/04/nfl-draft-2020-giants-chargers-blockbuster-shakes-top-5-justin-herbert-skyrockets-nj-advance-media-live-mock.html
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 15, 2020, 11:49:20 PM
New mock - Giants deal down, add a nickel back


Simmons falls to 14


https://www.nj.com/giants/2020/04/nfl-draft-2020-giants-chargers-blockbuster-shakes-top-5-justin-herbert-skyrockets-nj-advance-media-live-mock.html

CJ Henderson falling to 16 is a surprise as well.  He could be as good as Okudah.
Title: Breaking with tradition for DG
Post by: Kam on April 17, 2020, 07:47:27 PM
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29050008/dave-gettleman-says-giants-seriously-entertain-trade-no-4 (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29050008/dave-gettleman-says-giants-seriously-entertain-trade-no-4)

The Giants own the fourth overall selection, but they have just two picks among the top 95 picks. Adding picks by trading back -- while remaining in the top half of the draft -- appears to be a desire.

"It's something I will very seriously entertain," Gettleman said Friday on a conference call with reporters.



But there's also this:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29049304/lions-open-trading-no-3-pick-nfl-draft-gm-bob-quinn-says (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29049304/lions-open-trading-no-3-pick-nfl-draft-gm-bob-quinn-says)
Title: Wirfs or Wills probable
Post by: Kam on April 19, 2020, 01:51:03 AM
Wirfs > Wills but can't ignore the Saban connection.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 19, 2020, 11:28:09 AM
I like the Alabama player best.

Obviously it won't be the Louisville giant now (drug flag problem)

But my pick is still Tua - with consideration of a during or post draft deal.

"We're taking him unless one of you guys want him"

If we ended up at 12 (OAK dealing up) I would also look at WR - then take the lineman with the next pick.
Title: Alumni Opinions
Post by: Kam on April 20, 2020, 10:23:58 PM
https://www.giants.com/video/2020-nfl-draft-preview-david-diehl-shaun-o-hara-break-down-o-line-class (https://www.giants.com/video/2020-nfl-draft-preview-david-diehl-shaun-o-hara-break-down-o-line-class)

Wills is most NFL -ready.   -David Deihl

Ranking by Diehl

1. Wills
2. Thomas
3. Wirfs
4. Bechton

Tier II
5. Josh Jones
6. Austin Jackson

Very impressed with Wills, as a RT he protected TUA's blind side but Andrew Thomas is the best left tackle, Wirfs the best run blocker BUT don't draft him if you're not a run-first offense and don't expect him or Wills to move to the LT.  -Shaun O'Hara

Ranking by O'Hara

1. Thomas
2. Wills
3. Wirfs
4. Bechton

Tier II
5. Josh Jones
6. Ezra Cleveland
7. Austin Jackson
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 20, 2020, 11:55:47 PM
Thanks for the Diehl perspective

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I have heard Willis could change sides - not that he definitely would with NYG - and that Wirfs could play either as well

There is more movement at the pro level among tackles than you think.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 21, 2020, 09:25:12 AM
Thanks for the Diehl perspective

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I have heard Willis could change sides - not that he definitely would with NYG - and that Wirfs could play either as well

There is more movement at the pro level among tackles than you think.

O'Hara did say that either of the RTs could play LT but they had ALL-PRO potential at RT.  HE credited Diehl for being able to move around on the OL and said it's not as simple switch.  He used a colorful analogy of going to the bathroom and using your other hand to wipe.  He said "It gets the job done but things can get messy"

It was also pointed out, i forget by whom, that when Judge was with the Patriots they drafted a lot of guys out of Georgia.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 22, 2020, 10:31:25 PM


If we ended up at 12 (OAK dealing up) I would also look at WR - then take the lineman with the next pick.

It's all but certain the first pick (even if there's a trade down) will be an OT.

You want a WR?  Cool. Me too.  But this draft is loaded with WRs and there may be some good ones there on Day 3.

One name to watch:  Antonio Gandy-Golden. 6'4". 223lbs red-zone threat.  Giants haven't had a tall receiver since Burress.
Title: Jax-Giants rumor
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 12:04:01 PM
Jax trade up to 4 for a QB, Giants trade down and grab their tackle at 9.  Plus other picks.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 08:12:32 PM
You want a WR?  Cool. Me too.  But this draft is loaded with WRs and there may be some good ones there on Day 3.


Yeah, true

But if you pass on an All Pro...........
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 08:49:04 PM
OT was the pick, and it was the guy the former G-Men OLs were highest on.
What happens to Solder, does he move to RT now?
Title: A scout's evaluation
Post by: Kam on April 23, 2020, 09:01:25 PM
When I look at who Dave Gettleman has drafted in the past at the offensive tackle position, Thomas looks like that guy. Big, thick, long-armed and really physical. He is a really fun player to watch when he’s pissed off. He moves guys in to another zip code as a run blocker, he really gets after guys in space, and he finishes.

The issues here are two-fold. His effort isn’t consistent and that is the number one red flag. In the intense moments, big games…etc Thomas gets after it. But too many times throughout the past two seasons I saw a guy that simply tried to get by on talent. The second issue, he looks like a train wreck in pass protection at times. He struggles to reach his point against speed and he shows his numbers to the ground too often. While his power and reach can partially make up for it, he simply needs to get better there or he will get eaten alive by the top end pass rushers. I’ll end with this: Thomas at his absolute best is better than Wirfs and Wills. But do you want to gamble on his work ethic and lack of athletic ability?
 
       


Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 23, 2020, 09:34:39 PM
I dont worry about the ethic - he knows this is the PROS now and that wont be tolerated  - and if he can play RT I am also fine with that if he whiffs on the left - though if he does and isnt best in his division on the right - was he a good pick at 4?  Thats what I was saying with taking the skill player or frek D guy

.  Open those holes for the big dog and you'll be fine, son.
Title: My Giants Board for RD2
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 12:13:50 AM
EDGE: Gross-Matos
S: Grant Delpit
WR: Tee Higgins
WR: Chase Claypool
WR: Denzel Mims

At least two of these guys will be there. 
Title: Re: My Giants Board for RD2
Post by: Hairy Lime on April 24, 2020, 09:35:42 AM
EDGE: Gross-Matos
S: Grant Delpit
WR: Tee Higgins
WR: Chase Claypool
WR: Denzel Mims

At least two of these guys will be there.
Xavier McKinney is still there also. If he is still there at 35, what would it take.to get the Giants to move back to 41? Asking for a friend.

Modified because I suck at math.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 11:20:18 AM
3rd rounder would likely do it.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 07:32:49 PM
Excellent second round pick for Giants.  Safety McKinney from Bama (good call, Steve-o)

I wonder if CLE did try to deal up

Winfield still there.



Now...  about that pass rusher....
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 07:49:51 PM
A couple WRs and a RB taken G-Men on the board went for a Safety, a huge need.  Of course, lots of needs on this team.  x The first safety taken of the draft.  Delpit's injuries might've been a concern.  Gross-Matos gets taken two picks later.   LOOOOONG wait to pick #99. 

OC and WR are still big needs.  Looks like Giants won't have an EDGE rusher this year either.   Maybe the plan is to build the Offense to a Top 10 level and focus on D next offseason.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 07:59:11 PM
Excellent second round pick for Giants.  Safety McKinney from Bama (good call, Steve-o)

I wonder if CLE did try to deal up


Art Stapleton
@art_stapleton


Gettleman says Giants made up their mind if McKinney was there, they were taking him. If he was gone, they had a deal in place to trade down.

Mel Kiper had him in the first rd. #15
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 08:01:06 PM
awesome


Now Bears got Patriots tight end choice Kmet.


But I am sure they will get a good one


Browns choke coming up
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 08:08:47 PM
Nah...

looks like they did ok.

Though Winfield (to Bucs) could be the best of the 4 safeties just picked
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 09:54:08 PM
Jets take Ashtyn Davis (Safety) with the 68 pick acquired from the Giants in the Leonard Williams trade.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 24, 2020, 10:14:23 PM
yawn...
Title: Pick 99
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 11:38:17 PM
Biadasz would be a good C pick at 99.
Title: Matt Peart
Post by: Kam on April 24, 2020, 11:42:07 PM
OL depth.   RT of the future.

They must like Spencer/Halapio and even Gates to play C

OR maybe they think a C falls to 110.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 12:25:20 PM
Say what Holmes? 

A CB reach.

Meh.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 12:36:34 PM
Needed.  Returns kicks as well.

Browns get a pretty good tight end.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 02:00:00 PM


One name to watch:  Antonio Gandy-Golden. 6'4". 223lbs red-zone threat.  Giants haven't had a tall receiver since Burress.

Drafted to the Skins at pick 142.

Donovan Peoples-Jones still out there for the G-Men to draft.
Title: Re: Pick 99
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 02:10:57 PM
Biadasz would be a good C pick at 99.

Wow, Dallas trades up and he goes to the Cowboys at 146....   what do the G-men do at 150?
Title: Re: Pick 99
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 02:20:08 PM
Biadasz would be a good C pick at 99.

Wow, Dallas trades up and he goes to the Cowboys at 146....   what do the G-men do at 150?

Mario Lemieux what the what?
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 02:53:14 PM
Lemieux

5 year collegian.  So a seasoned, mature young man.

Started all 52 games at left guard.

Second team all Pac12.  Second team All American.
 Nothing to sneeze at.

Brute run blocker.  Needs work as pass blocker
Title: Nice but
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 02:55:29 PM
Where was the need tho?  Hernandez was taken at LG with the 2nd pick of the 2nd rd 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 02:58:17 PM
Team Needs going into the draft: OT, EDGE, WR, C, SLOT CB

So far we got the OT and the Slot CB.  But haven't addressed any other need.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
Are you getting a contributing WR or pass rusher this late?
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 03:08:19 PM
But you may be right

CBS draft grades for Giants picks

1.   B+
2.    A
3.    A
4.    A-
5.    B-
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 03:22:56 PM
Reading some other reports.  Some say G men having a top 5 draft
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 03:48:41 PM
Are you getting a contributing WR or pass rusher this late?
Donovan Peoples-Jones is highly thought of.
Title: The pick is in
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 03:50:15 PM
Cam Brown LB from Penn State. 
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 03:59:51 PM
Giants like their skill people

Loaded up on linemen and defensive help

I love it.

Meanwhile - predictably Pats took a  kicker.
Title: Finally a WR
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 07:25:28 PM
Giants ink ... Ohio State WR Austin Mack UDFA
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 07:39:41 PM
Should let Peppers play 2 ways
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 07:44:54 PM
He had a hard enough time playing 1 way
Title: Re: Finally a WR
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 08:24:42 PM
Giants ink ... Ohio State WR Austin Mack UDFA

And Ben Victor WR from Ohio State as well.
Title: Run on UDFA WRs continue
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 08:26:47 PM
Derrick Dillon WR LSU
Title: Giants sign UDFA Kyle Murphy
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 10:12:19 PM
OT/OG/OC from URI
Title: A RB/Special Teams player
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 10:14:51 PM
Jordan Raanan
@JordanRaanan

The Giants are expected to sign Maryland RB Javon Leake as an UDFA, per source. Explosive player. Averaged 7.2 yards per carry last season.

Big 10 Return Specialist of the Year 

Tied for most KOR TDs in Maryland history
Title: List of Giants UDFAs
Post by: Kam on April 25, 2020, 10:19:38 PM
QB Case Cookus - Northern Arizona
RB Javon Leake - Maryland
WR Ben Victor - Ohio State
WR Austin Mack - Ohio State
WR Derrick Dillon - LSU
WR/TE Rysen John - Simon Fraser
TE Kyle Markway - South Carolina
IOL Kyle Murphy - Rhode Island
EDGE Dana Levine - Temple
EDGE Niko Lalos - Dartmouth
DB Malcolm Elmore - Central Methodist
DB Christian Angulo - Hampton
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on April 25, 2020, 11:59:02 PM
Go Dartmouth!

Hampton guy is a stiff
Title: 3 more UDFAs
Post by: Kam on April 26, 2020, 07:18:57 PM
LB Dominique Ross - North Carolina
S Jaquarius Landrews - Mississippi State
OL Tyler Haycraft - Louisville
Title: DeAndre Baker
Post by: Kam on May 14, 2020, 09:40:23 PM
What a waste of a first rd pick.  Giants are snakebit on first rd corners.
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: kiidcarter8 on May 15, 2020, 12:42:06 PM
Didnt Apple's deal with Las Vegas fall through?

Do we want to deal with Mrs Apple again?
Title: Re: Giants
Post by: Kam on May 15, 2020, 02:36:15 PM
Didnt Apple's deal with Las Vegas fall through?

Do we want to deal with Mrs Apple again?

Don't care bout the mom but Apple is garbage.